Drink Champs - Episode 421 w/ Grafh and Special Co-Host Memphis Bleek

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, Grafh!Grafh joins us to share his journey. Listen as he shares stories of his come up, his evolution in the rap game and much more!Grafh shares stories of working with Kanye West, signing to Roc-A-Fella records and much much more!Memphis Bleek also joins the fun as a special co-host in this legendary episode.So grab your favorite drink and join us!There’s lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for Grafh & Memphis Bleek!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey it's your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer what up it's dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts it's time for drink champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What a good be hoping to see you in the championship, boy. N-O-R-E. What up, it's DJ EFN.

And you know it's Miff Bleak in the building. Miff Bleak, the guest host this week. So in case y'all don't know, we got one of the illest, lyrical giants.

Not only a New York legend, a legend period. I was so glad when bars got back in style and when street music came back in style. Because I was like, I know this brother is going to be all right. He is a person that got records with all your favorite artists. He's also your ghost writer's favorite ghost writer. Pitting niggas up for shit. Get you right.

Get you out there looking good. You understand what I'm saying? Was down with one of the most gangsterous people and gangsterous labels in the world. And it's time for him to tell his story

in its totality. In case you don't know what we're talking about, it's about the one and only motherfucking Grav from the village! Now, Grav, I heard you say somewhere

that you brung Fendi back. Well, the print. The print. The F print, because this is the part that's crazy, right? Okay. Because I'm bringing

Durags back. I feel like I'm bringing Durags back. I see you. I know you've been trying to claim that. I see you. Durags.

I'm bringing Durags back. I'm bringing Durags back. In my opinion. In my opinion. You know what I'm saying? But go ahead. Go ahead. No, because a lot of

the big brands that they be having, sometimes they go through phases where, in my opinion, they be having, like, whack designers and shit. So I don't know who was designing Fendi for a couple years, but they wasn't making the F prints. Okay, yes. But I was always a fan of that. Okay. And I'm also a fan of, like, vintage shit. I be, like, on my 90s, 2000s, looking for certain type of pieces.

So there was, like, a period between, like, 2015 to, like, 2017 where I was literally just scouring the fucking world looking for different vintage Fendi pieces all over the place. Like if somebody has them, I offer them money. Like, yo, can I buy that all for you? And I'm buying these pieces because they were not selling the Zuka. It's called a Zuka. They weren't selling the shit in the store. You could not go nowhere and buy the shit in the store.

So I'm finding pieces all over the world, and I'm wearing it, wearing it, wearing it for like a year or two straight to the point where I started a buzz just, oh, Mr. Fendi man and all this shit like that. People were referring to me as I'm wearing this shit

all the time. So when I see other stars wearing it, actually, I think I forced Fendi to make the motherfucker again because I was tagging him all the time.

I know I'm ghetto, but can I be like a bopper son? I can dress, nigga. So I was just rocking this shit. And plus I could dress nigga so I was just rocking this shit and plus I was

wearing it because I knew nobody else could ever wear it because it wasn't for sale and now you said you was targeting

vintage yeah a lot of pieces because they wasn't vintage because you could not go into store and buy

this shit they was making shit with the eyes and all kind of ugly shit that niggas wasn't buying I wasn't jacking

under that shit that shit was trash years of trash shit that was bad I wasn't jacking under that shit. I know. That shit was trash. Trash. All of it. The eye of Fendi was bad. Years of trash shit. That was bad. I ain't going to lie. The eyes was bad.

During that time, you couldn't go in no store and buy the Fendi print. That's a fact. I was rocking the print for two years straight, but buying it all over the place. LA, I found a little vintage spot,

so it was like, who the fuck else brought it back? It wasn't me. Y'all could not buy it to wear it. You know what I'm saying? But I'm tagging them every day. And they were like different sites that were like dedicated to promoting Finney. I'm tagging the shit like, yo, pick me, pick me. I'm the only nigga that get this shit. They hit you up?

Nah. He's hood. Fuck him. They need to hit you up. They need to hit you up. You got too much money. That's all it is. That's a big fact. But if I I was mainstream Did that one Bernard Arnault His Fendi fall under that? I believe so L-M-B-M-H No, no, no

Not under that Did Fendi fall under that? I think so L-B-M-H? Nah Huh? I believe so I mean, we got people

Who work here, right? Jesus Haz is just looking at us Like, the fuck are you Where's Haz is playing I'm going to the hood audience But you should be Googling Motherfucker Jesus You should Google it He's looking at us. Like, the fuck you... I'm going to the hood audience,

but you should be Googling, motherfucker. Jesus. You should Google it. He's looking at the hood audience, too. What up? Like, what are you doing?

It is? It is? Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, yeah. Long story short, there'll be no check for me, sir.

Okay. All credit, but I ain't doing it for the credit. I just liked you, this shit. Okay, did we ask him what he's drinking?

No, no. He's drinking D'Ussé. D'Ussé. D'Ussé? We don't drink. We don't smoke. What did she say? I thought we was cool. We established this two interviews ago.

I ain't going to lie. I'll teach you a Mad Papa show. You had that one drink for like an hour straight after. How do you feel today? How do you feel today? How do you feel today? How do you feel after now? I was like, dude, is this thing going to be hell?

I had a few times. I forgot about that. Okay. So me and you ain't get the memo. What's the memo? That we're hosing our shirt today. I don't get it. It's just a cheese grater.

I get it. I get it. Give him a cheese grater. You know what I'm saying? Give him a cheese grater. Get it right. We're hosing our shirt today. Give him a cheese grater. You know what I'm saying? Give him a cheese grater. You know what I'm saying? We built up. You know what I'm saying?

You're literally cooking a different cloth. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You got to feel the breeze, man. That's your own clothing line, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Dope NY got to feel the breeze, man. I get it. But that's your own clothing line, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Dope NYC. This is my shit.

Okay. And you got two different versions of it, right? Because I heard you got one like an athletic version and you got like an upper scale. I mix them both together. Oh, okay. I put like high-end street wear with sports wear all the time. I just be mixing shit, whatever. I don't have no rhyme or reason that I be putting shit together.

Right, right. Well, boom. And you went have no rhyme or reason that I be pushing together. Right, right. Well, boom. And you went to St. John's University. You could really say, I'm brown skinned. I live in Queens. And I love eating chicken and collard greens.

And so I went to St. John's University. I fucked up the rhyme. It was too many rhymes. They didn't know where I was going. Yeah, I get it. Shout out DMC. What, DMC went there? J. Cole went there?

Yeah. Definitely. If you went there, we ain't claiming you. So, how was that going to a legendary school? Now, that was cool, man. That was really cool.

You started to be a doctor. Yeah, I was determined to try to get out of the hood one way or other and do it the way my mother wanted me to do it. Do it the right way. But then the rap, I wasn't like shopping a demo and trying to get on. Rap was always a dream for me. You know what I'm saying?

I was battle rapping and killing niggas on, you know, barbershops and all that shit. This was before like Smack had the big stages. So I was doing that shit. And then Busta Rhymes called wind of it. And he actually- Called your moms, right? Nah, he called my moms when I got to him. But before that, he sent somebody to my school, some type of way to contact me.

I thought it was fake. I'm like, what? Because I was going to school. I was like, damn, yeah, my third year. And this is Diesel Busta? Yo, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Word.

This is Diesel Busta. You know, it's the same type of Bustas. This is my brother. You know what I'm saying? This is like Superstar, A-list Busta, all the way up there. Okay, okay, okay. Not the D type of busters. It's my brother. You know what I'm saying? It's my brother. It's like Superstar, A-list buster, all the way up there. Okay, okay, okay.

Not the Dredge buster. This is... No, he had the Dredge. He had the Dredge. Okay, okay, okay, okay. That's what I'm saying. He only gave a little effort. You see that?

He only gave a little effort. I got to know. I got to know. Go ahead. So I left school after that. I tried to balance both, but I was like, nah, I got an opportunity

to do this music for real. I was like, fuck it. Now I started, you know, trying to take rap series after that. I wasn't very serious, but I wasn't like, it was still like a dream. I wasn't like shopping the demos and doing it the traditional way. You know what I mean? So that shit worked out.

No, but that shit is ill. Like when you know your story, like, and that you were studying to be a doctor. Right. Like. I didn't even know what kind of doctor. I was going with physical science and figuring out what I was going to do. You know, most kids in school, they don't know what the fuck they want to be.

You go to school because your parents say go to school. Like, all right, I'm going to go to school and figure it out while I'm going. And I said, all right, I'm sure if I'm a doctor, mama going to be proud of that. So let me try that. You know what's crazy? I was going through your music

and I was like, you know, what makes you so dope is probably why like everyone don't catch on because you're like, you why like everyone don't catch on because you're like you're like smart smart like you know what I'm saying like I'm a rapper and I'm still like

when you listen to his music you're like damn what the fuck did he just say you gotta listen to it a couple of times and I'm like if I'm a rapper that rapped my whole life damn man and that's just going over my head. What is the average person who's, you know what I'm saying?

Nah, I take that as a compliment because a lot of people do miss the shit I be trying to say. And there was a period in my career, I was like, should I dumb it down? And I was like, nah, fuck it. And you did dumb it down a little bit. A little bit, because I was tired of getting misunderstood. That's not fucking fun.

That shit sucks. Niggas ain't getting it. So I tried that, but then I was like, nah, fuck it. Whoever get it, get it. Now I just do what I do. If you get it, you get it. If you don Niggas ain't getting it. So I tried that but then I was like, nah, fuck it. Whoever get it, get it. Now I just do what I do. If you get it, you get it.

If you don't, you don't get it. That's fucking cool. That's how I'm working out my career now. I'm getting money off my old shit now. And that's the best way too

when you be listening to a record when you older and you be like, oh shit, this what he meant? And you really, you go back to the record.

That's happening now in my career where a lot of my old shit, old catalog, old music is popping up now as niggas' favorites and some of these young niggas brand new.

I'm like, yeah, it just came out yesterday. That's right. Download it. Buy all of it. You got a vast catalog too. Yeah.

Something going at it for years. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. You ever thought that was a crush that so much of, you know,

you're so dope as a lyricist. And like you said, you said he dumbed it down. I didn't even remember. Yeah, I mean. Not really, but there was a time when I made it simpler. Me as a DJ played a lot of his music. I noticed a time where he dumbed it down a little bit. I was like, I'll try to make it similar.

Like, maybe if I rap a little slower, these kind of beats, y'all will get it. And after a while, I was like, I ain't like them records I was making. I was like, fuck this shit. I'm going to just do what I do. And whoever get it, get it. after a while i was like i'm i ain't like them records i was making i was like this i'm gonna just do what i do and whoever get it get it whoever don't dope all right plus i'm experimental i'm just trying you know what i'm saying all right did you say you wrote for ll nah hell no where did you come from If he would have said yeah He'd have to go get the chat Somebody else That shit came up in another I did a podcast Somebody asked me I'm like who is starting this shit now

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when she's singing me and other writer wrote the whole song oh but J-Lo wasn't there I wish she was oh my god I thought the way you said it me and other

you're talking about the other artist yeah me and other writer we wrote the whole record that was part I was actually rapping on the record at first I was signing to Sony back then and when they took me off for L record Not LL's part I was actually rapping On the record at first I was signing to Sony back then

And when they took me off For LL And I was so tight As an artist I forgot I wrote the rest Of the motherfucking song I wasn't even fighting For my rights

I'm like damn Why I took you off Y'all didn't sign me for what So I was mad LL was on there at first I was like I wanted to be On the shit And I wrote the motherfucker

But nah I'm actually fighting For my rights to that record Now I ain't even getting No credit for that The whole time For the LL J-Lo record?

Yeah, but no LL slander, no. Big Queen's in the building. Of course, of course. And just in case you know that, that sounds stressful, you know. Shout out to Stretna. This is the stress. There's so many better ways to get Stretna. They trying to rebrand it.

That is now stressful That is not it This is actually more stressful This is more stressful You gotta do it for a little while Shout out to homie DJ Nelson Shout out to homie DJ Nelson That's not the one getting released

So your new single Which is crazy, it's called Rockefeller Chain. Yeah. So Rockefeller Chain. You know what I mean? But you never got a Rockefeller Chain. Nah.

They fouled you out. Yo. Nah, you know what happened? Yo, chain. They fouled you out. What happened? Nah, you know. Nah, I remember I got there. He was there too.

I was like, damn, Slop. You had to feel Something was going on You had to be like Let me get that real quick You know what I mean Nah nah You know what happened

Remember I got there Right before Dame Dash and Jay-Z Parted ways And had their differences Right So my deal was like Right when the ink was drying

They fucking fell apart I didn't get to like Tour with y'all niggas None of that As a matter of fact I met all of y'all For the first time When y'all was all in London London of that. As a matter of fact, I met all of y'all for the first time when y'all was all in London.

London, yes. That's crazy. I think I already knew you already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. I met you there. That's crazy. That's crazy.

We're talking about freestyle, right? We're talking about that play. Oh, yeah. He didn't get all the play when that's coming out. No. No, I'm saying, I'm saying out there.

He wouldn't have started after that. I heard about the play right there. He went to the side after that. I heard about the plane ride. It's two legendary plane rides. I've never been on in my life. It's that plane ride with Bleak and Dame Dash. Gloves off argument. And everyone act like they was sleeping on the plane besides me.

You know what? Every single nigga have an argument. They're like, you're right, Slug. Because sleeping on the plane besides me. You know, every single nigga had an argument. They're like, you're right, Slug. Because you're the only one here. And I'm like, I'm trying to be stone cold. This dame, like, you right, right, right, Nori? And I'm like, Nori know not that. Why Nori know that?

Like, that's what I'm going to do. I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, freeway, wake up. Like, somebody, I want to help. I need help. Free beans. All of us was on the bus. That's crazy you wasn't on the ride.

I ended up staying in London longer. That was my first time on the period. So me and Chaz, I was with Chaz that time. Yeah, we stayed longer. I was going, I went crazy in London. So let me ask you, how did that work? Because it was, what was it? It was a Black Hand slash Rockefeller deal?

Yeah. Because you were still on Black Hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After the Sony deal, slash Rockefeller deal? Yeah, yeah. Because you were still on Black Hand. Yeah, yeah. After the Sony deal, right? This is after Sony, yeah. Then we came with y'all at The Rock and it was through Black Hand.

Yeah, me and Chaz did everything. There was no me without Chaz at that time. I ain't gonna front. Black Hand, one of the realest labels ever. Yeah, yeah.

They don't know the history, man. You better do some research. I'm going to talk a little about it. I have to. I got to rep Chaz to write it. I have to. I got a rep chat. I mean, while we're here, let's touch on it a little bit. Let me cut to the Rockefeller. Okay, go ahead.

Yes, please. So when I got there, that was right when the Dame and Jay was breaking up. Okay. So I never got the chance to get the chain or experience none of the fucking fruits of being with John Niggas. I was sad as fuck. No private jets. Nah, no private jets. No 40-40 club. No 40-40 club. Nah, no private jets. No 40-40 club?

No 40-40 club. No 40-40 club. Man. What the 40-40 club? I listened to his single. I felt sorry, man. I felt sorry for me too, nigga. I'm sorry.

I was like, what? Damn. When he called me to do the record, he sent me the verse. He like, yo, Bleak, I want you to jump on this joint. He sent the verse. I listened to it.

I'm like, damn. What? I ain't gonna say that, bro. Like, damn, man. I wanted that.

I was like, I had please never done this. Can I go make the chain now? He's like, yeah, I'm gonna give you the jewel. Go make it now.

That's right. I'm on my way. You heard that. You heard that. Because then it was like, oh, you should have been at one. I know,

I just, I don't know what happened. Okay, what would the life been like if you were to sign to The Rock a year or two before the breakup what do you think

I mean I know it's a hypothetical question but I'm asking you what would you think I mean I would have stopped hustling way earlier oh wow

that's a big fact I'd have had a whole different life like I'd have been touring with y'all niggas and all I remember y'all did the biggest tours that shit was amazing watching that as a fan just watching like look at this rocker full of shit y'all niggas and all I remember y'all did the biggest tours that shit was amazing watching that as a fan just watching like

look at this Rockefeller shit y'all niggas built it empire of a scene y'all on the radio rapping for nine hours no commercial breaks I was like I wanted to be right there

you know what I'm saying so I'd have did all that with y'all niggas so it would have been great you went I wasn't there for the world tours nah

I want to know all that you didn't even sign the deal you got a chance damn it's just a real QU shit it's just a real QU shit I know what's going on I want to know that. He didn't sign the deal. He got a chance. Yeah. Damn, T. He's also real Q.U. shit. He's also real Q.U. shit. I smell what's going on. I said, they're not cooking with the Rockets cooking over here.

They smell it with the Rockets cooking. The Rockets cooking. Literally. It was mad. I was mad at the whole situation because remember, Graff, he became my nigga. You, M.O.P. You know what's the crazy shit? Like, I was, he became my nigga, you,

M.O.P. You know what's the crazy shit? Like, I was, we was over there too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, I was, I was trying to, I was using patches and glue, my nigga, trying to keep it together. You know what's crazy? Say on this plug,

you know, we working on Bleak's Rock Solid podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Bleak says to me, he's like, yo, you know yo you know grab was really really down with the rock and i was just like what and i remember but he broke it down he was like no no no he was really

really with the rock and i was like holy shit so if you would have had because i heard you say um i heard somebody say um to you that you and 50 had had like the same amount of buzz at one point, right? Yeah, yeah. So, had you would have had that Rockefeller support that maybe Bleak had or Freeway or Beans

or even a Kanye and a Rihanna, what would you think your career would be right now if you had that same type of place? I'd have been out of here. I'd have been out of here. Out of here.

As a matter of fact, I came there with Kanye. Wow. Me and Kanye came there at the same time. That's when I was still, I was actually working with Kanye and he told me how to write bars and all that. I didn't know how to really count bars.

You didn't know how to count bars. Nah, Kanye, he don't even know he taught me that. I was in his career making records, rapping for 90 million bars. He'd be like, yo, you know 16 bars way back there. Yeah, I know. I'm just warming up, my nigga. Warm up. And then when he showed me where to stop at, I was like, after I counted the bars in my

head, like, oh, that's 16 bars. Got it. You know what I'm saying? So he told me how to count bars, I was like, after I counted the bars in my head, like, oh, that's 16 bars. Got it. You know what I'm saying? He told me how to count bars and I didn't even fucking know. But nah, but I went there with Dame. I mean, with Kanye at that time. But when the shit broke apart, out of loyalty and the way Chaz, rocking with Chaz and with his mind thing, the loyal thing to do was go with Dame. You know what I'm saying? I felt like mom think the loyal thing to do was go with Dane. You know what I'm saying?

I felt like that was the right thing to do. Kanye, even though Dane brought me and Kanye to the rock, Kanye went with Jay. You know what I'm saying? Because that was better

for his career. In his mind, that was better for his career. And I don't knock him, but I just ain't cut like that. I had to go with... Who bought you. Yeah, that's how it is.

Because when they broke up, it was almost like a mom and dad getting a divorce No it was It was worse It was worse It felt like that though You know what I'm saying

Like Yo bro I was heartbroken It was almost like The magic trick Where they snatch the rug And all the dishes Are still standing there Like

What do you do Yeah Where do we go We can still hear it In your voice Do either of y'all remember Do either of y'all remember Def Jam had a chalkboard

Up And then there would be like D.D. What was it? Dame Dash Music Group? D.D. M.G. And then there would be like. I didn't see that.

I can follow up because you was probably always just on Ho's side. Yeah. I said, what's going on? What's up? What's up? What's up? You see that, right? Every day, like artists would change.

Like it was Beans like in the middle at first. And then, yeah, and then, like, for some week. That's wild. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, for the God. For some week. It's like fantasy football shit. It's like fantasy football, boy, fantasy football.

And then Beans was on Dame Dash Music Group. And then my name was on Dame Dash Music Group. And then my shit just kept going. You were going to check to see where you were at? No. No. I'm saying, this is, see where you at? No. No. I'm saying this is, this is,

this is, this is for a lot of news. So Chris Lighty kept erasing my shit and putting my shit on Def Jam. So yeah, safe to say, I wasn't going nowhere. Soon as they,

they let it, they was like, you know, technically, you didn't sign the Rockefeller. So you was thrown under Def Jam. I was under Def Jam, so I fell right in the middle. It was like you know technically you didn't sign the Rockefeller so you was throwing on the Def Jam I was on the

Def Jam so I'm going right in the middle I had your deal it was like yeah hey man I'm here man I'm here

you ain't going nowhere that contract bro love it Def Jam you ain't going nowhere nah I ain't gonna lie I had a meeting with Ho

he was like I'm gonna you know I'm gonna just politely ask you to honor your contract that's all it was basically like

nigga you ain't going nowhere. Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, yeah. So, bam. I know I asked you and then we said we would get back to it. You know,

having Chaz, Chaz is a powerful man in the streets, well-respected in the industry, might not know how to count bars neither. You know what I'm saying? Might not know how to, you know what I'm saying? Right, right. But what I'm saying saying is but can get you to those doors

but at times it seemed like people were obviously respected him right but some feared right just you think that for you was that a like was that something that hurt you or helped you? Or maybe it was in the middle. It was a little of both because Chaz is like, like in the beginning of the relationship, it seemed like business to everybody, but like artist, manager. But it was really like more like father and son for real, for real. Wow, that's real. Because when I was like 15, 16, my actual dad got murdered in front of me you know of course across the street from where my aunt was

living at by my neighbor like shot him and his man and god bless to this day i never really processed the for real i feel like i've seen it on a picture or something but so chad's always in my life from like then on you know what i'm saying like music yeah like he wasn't allowing me to do no street like all the hustling i did my life was behind chad's back he would have shut all that down he was not the kind of og to mislead a young like myself nah like i also with a bunch of because he know but he didn't know that was happening because he would have been like what he'd have been tight yeah so chad was like a more of a father figure for me than a uh uh a manager

you know what i mean so everything in the business we kind of learn together. I mean, he knew a lot of shit because this man would sit there and read all kinds of books. His patience is, you know, he did a lot of time.

So he know how to use his time to educate himself and shit like that. Learn the law, all that. So, we learned a lot of this shit together. Trial,

so a whole lot of trial and error and shit like that. So, in the streets, he like the Godfather. That shit, I go on any projects, he like the Godfather. Right. That shit, I go on any projects,

I went on prison tours, I'm face stamped, laminated everywhere. I'm good money in any hood, anywhere, fucking world, Baltimore. It doesn't matter

because you with Chaz, you Gucci. So in the street, it helped. In the industry, because it's ran by businessmen and punks and shit, a lot of that,

a lot of them guys was nervous around Chaz. He didn't really, in my opinion, he didn't even learn how to finesse the fear into something that could help because it could have helped him

because he would have still been the cool guy in the room. He still was the cool guy in the room, but he was so concerned about making them comfortable, he didn't really use it to his advantage. They were uncomfortable.

But they would have been so happy to just have a picture with him, be cool with him. Like, yeah, I'm with Chaz I'm tough too Like if he finessed it that way You know what I'm saying

But it took us a while To figure that out Like we can actually Use this shit You know what I'm saying But anyway It hurt with niggas That didn't want us around

Because they was uncomfortable With like real real Street niggas in the room And then it also hurt too Because of the Whatever niggas thought About the 50 Chaz thing That I don't want to speak

too much on because that ain't even my business. But I'll talk a little bit about it. But because of whatever issues they felt 50 and Chaz had, and at 50 he's diamond. Remember, he drops in the club. He's fucking 10 million records.

You were envious. The issues was prior to that. Way prior to that, yeah. Way prior. But way before I was even rapping in this game at all. They had it. Because Chaz was managing 50 some type of part of his management career. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, something prior. Way before I was even rapping in this game at all. They had it. Because Chavs was managing 50.

Right. Some type of part of his management career at first. Yeah, that's right. I got that part. Yeah, something like that. So whatever issues they had transcended the street shit and got to the industry. And then them niggas act super duper scary. But it wasn't like, we wasn't blackballed, like literally.

But it was like, because 50 was such a big artist and he polarized everybody and he makes niggas choose, they chose. So it was like, are we going to go with these- It was the industry. The industry. So it was like, are we going to go with these street niggas that make us nervous or are we going to go with this nigga that's already fucking diamond? And he's selling ads and selling our concerts. Like we got to choose. It's going to be, they're going to choose what's bringing the money already.

It was kind of easy for them to be like, all right, we riding with him. Fuck these niggas. So we was always fighting to get in the rooms, fighting to be present in certain rooms because it was super fucking scary. You know what I mean? So that shit sucked. You know what I mean? Right.

Like, I felt like I was chasing something my whole career, even though I had mad talent in records and all of that shit. Niggas was never greenlighting certain shit. Always blocking, always resistance. And I'm like, the fuck? Is that a memo that went out with y'all like what the but i understand now but back then i didn't give a while i was like all i know is that y'all stopped me from getting rich and it sucks

you know what i'm saying like that wasn't what's up and chad is the most solid ever like and he wasn't trying to um make uncomfortable or talk them out in no kind of way but just his presence because he was such a official they would just be feeling like they'd get impressed when he's standing there. I'm like, he ain't even saying nothing to you, fam. Why you so pussy? Why you so skinny? They felt like they was getting pressed no matter what. I'm like, not even, I know him, so I know he's like

he on like best behavior right now, just chilling. They still nervous. I'm like, my nigga, he's being nice. You know what I'm saying? And they were just super nervous. So that part of it hindered things because they felt they had to choose

they didn't have to choose but they felt they had to choose and that definitely slows shit up you know what I mean is that your problem with G-Unit

at that time was you was with Blackhand well that's that's what the streets made it I never had a problem with 50

and the crazy thing about this shit is that but you took a shot at Loie Banks when I rap yeah I took a shot at everybody but it wasn't like

a real shot though I probably said some slick shit cause that's what I do New York shit New York shit like I fuck with Banks I fuck with all them niggas

it was never personal it was probably just competitive shit like I never if I'ma diss you it's a diss like them little shit that's like rap shit

like that's not a real no but you got to realize probably coming from a person that's down with Chaz Camp it probably didn't look like it was just a jab it probably looked like

this was an all out you know what I'm saying I probably said 50 Names Way more than I said Banks but it was never like in a super disrespectful way where he got to be like

oh fuck them niggas it's probably just like he probably ain't like it but it's like slick shit it's like just lyrical shit like it's nothing like a disrespect like oh we gotta go to war

it was never that we went to war it was never like I never went there I went there with other niggas many a times I never dissed none of the niggas like that

because we're from the same hood and I admire what they accomplished they live three minutes from my like two minutes from my mom's crib

it's right there you know what I'm saying so it's like I always felt connected to them niggas even if we wasn't you know what I mean so I never like dissed them ever you know what I'm saying So it's like I always felt connected To them niggas Even if we wasn't You know what I mean So I never like

Dissed them ever You know what I'm saying I still respect them niggas To this day Cool Like I seen Banks recently I seen 50 recently Like we not the best of friends

But niggas is cool You know what I'm saying I wish we was cool for real Queens would have been On fucking fire What would her life Would have been like If Chaz and 50

Didn't catch that beef And Oh my nigga It would have been unified What would have been like If you If Chaz and 50 Never't catch that beef. Oh, my nigga. It would have been unified. Would it have been like, if Chaz and 50 never caught that problem, and you would have been signed to G-Unit? It would have been crazy.

I probably would have took Bank Spot. I don't fucking know. What would it have been? You want to take nigga's spot? He the lyrical nigga over there, the 50s, doing he doing stuff. I feel like, okay, we're the two lyrical nigg there In the 50s Like doing he doing stuff I feel like okay

We're the two lyrical niggas I don't fucking know But I tried to fix that issue This is the part I'm glad you brought it up Because I get to talk about it What you went to the office

You went to 50s office Oh you know about that Yeah come on man I'm on for it Oh shit I'm on for it You stick together man Yeah

And this is the part By yourself too Dolo This is the part that's crazy Because See And this is the bit That broke my heartolo This is the part that's crazy Because See And this is the bit That broke my heart

Chaz passed away R.I.P. Without knowing the truth About the story After I separated From Chaz Right Business wise

Not personally I still Big bro But business wise When I tried to do My own independent thing He thought I went to G-Unit After that

Hell no nigga Oh you're talking about the C-50? Yeah, because I never told him the story. I know he would have been like, you can't go up there by yourself. No, he would have shut it down. Right. So I never told him the shit.

I just did it on my own. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't know where the G-Unit office was at the time. This is when I had Brendan Goons out. I'm super black-handed. I'm waving a black hand black on Jamaica Avenue, nigga. You went to the first G-Unit office and they wasn't there. I went there and the janitor told me where they was at. Yeah. Because a black, literally waving a black hand on Jamaica Avenue. Nigga like. You went to the first G Union office

and they wasn't there. I went there and the janitor told me where they was at. Yeah. Because they just moved like literally a day before. Julio blew it up.

Julio. Julio blew it up. All right. My nigga Julio. So when I get to the old G Union office and he like, nah, they down the block.

They in the office right across the street from the Times Square newspaper building, whatever it was. I'll say, bet, thanks. So I go over there.

So this is why they were so surprised because they just moved in there like a day or two ago. So when I get there, I'm walking up the steps. I'm a little nervous. I'm like, damn, I hope this shit go well because what if it don't? You know what I'm saying? I'm dolo. So I'm going up there. I'm like, walking up the steps. I'm like, yo, maybe the doors will be locked.

Probably just turn back. It ain't nothing. I push the door. I'm like, whoosh. I'm like, oh shit, maybe the doors will be locked. I turn back. It ain't nothing. I push the door. The door ain't right open. I'm like, who's that motherfucker? I was like, oh, shit. You floated in there? I was in the office. I was like, oh, shit.

I'm at the front desk. Lady like, who you here to see? I'm like, I'm trying to talk low so nobody hear me. Maybe I'm here to see 50. She like, who should I say is here? I was like, tell him Graff. She said, Graff from where? I didn't want to say Black. I was like, Graff from Queens. I was like, all right, I'll tell him. I was like, oh, she went back to tell him. I was like, tell him Graff. She said, Graff from where? I didn't want to say black

because I was like, Graff from Queens. I was like, all right, I'll tell him. I was like, oh, she went back there and tell him. I was like,

this nigga here. I was going down. So like, I'm nervous though because I don't know how this shit going to go. And his niggas, the tension is through the roof.

They look, they sees me. They like, you can see they like kind of panicking because they don't know should we jump him? Should we throw him out the window?

What the fuck? You got a bomb on him? They looking out the window. They don't know what to do. They? Should we throw him out the window? What the fuck? You got a bomb on him? They looking out the window. They don't know what to do. They not comfortable either. So, but I'm like, oh, this sucks. The tension is through the roof

because they don't know how to react. Even his main security came to me like, he was like, what are you doing here? I was like, nah, I just come to, I just wanted to holler at the homie.

Like, I come in peace, really just want to chop it up. He didn't know how to react. You could tell he was like, do I said it? Do I not said it? He like, he didn't know how to do it.

He was like, all right, just wait right here. But way the way his the way his um his office is set up it's like a living room so i'm sitting like in the main part he like just don't sit here because he can't hide or do what he wanted he can't he can't decide what he want to meet you or not you're sitting right here he's like just stand right here for a second let me figure this shit out because i'm talking to something like i come in peace bro ain't nothing i ain't strapped there's no bomb on me nothing i'm just trying to talk to the bro. But it was super tense, my nigga. You got to understand. I got to draw this shit out. Behind the

the the secondary desk is like this little like war unit thing, but it got like little cracks in it. So if you're standing behind it, I can't see all I can see is your hat or your eyeball. Do you see man eyeballs and hats popping out of shit? I'm like, oh, this shit. This shit is different.

Niggas don't know what to do. They like, they looking out the window. They just like, yo, is this a building surrounding? I'm like, nah, none of that.

But you can see they trying to figure it. They trying to process it like, do we set it? Do we wait? Like, what do, like they trying to figure it out. You know they get busy too,

so you don't have to. Yeah, that's a fact. So that's why I'm nervous. So I'm like, if somebody take it wrong I can go super left I'm dolo You could die out here nigga

Like this is not fun Right But the shit I didn't get to speak to the nigga though Your father shit He didn't come out Nah He was getting ready for an interview

Something like that But let me ask you I was like damn son I wanted to talk to him Had 50K got out that room That day And it was just you and him What you would have said to him

I would have said to him? I would have really just tried to squash it between him and Chaz I'd let him know like I don't know your history and it's none of my real business but I want to tell you he speaks highly of you highly

how did you say that? he doesn't Chaz speaks highly of him Chaz never talked ill of him nobody at Black Hand ever really talked ill of him so it was like I don't know if he knew that

you know what I'm saying so whatever personal feelings I was like if it could be worked out I'll let him know that and if it can't if he was like it can't I would like I'll let her know that and if it can if he was like I can't work out what I like to know that so if it can't be worked out then I have to go more regular Queen shit I just I just like I had it can't work out fuck it

because if I if I'm cool with you do records with you it's gonna benefit me if I beef with you and this you on a record and force you to say my name back still gonna get rich right here. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to really level the playing ground. So let's say he says,

nah, we can never be cool, fuck out of here. I'd be like, all right, cool, I can take that too. But this gray area shit

where I'm trying to fix it for years is like frustrating as fuck. You know what I'm saying? Because I, we from the same hood, I want to be cool with all of y'all niggas.

I'm cool with the rest of the niggas in the street. I just never got to bond with Fifth because of the situation. I felt that wasn't my place to even try to bond when I'm in a situation. I felt that wasn't my place to even try to bond when I'm in a situation.

You know what I mean? Other than that encounter with you going to the office, was there any other time you tried to squash it? I think that was the first time like in a real way. Then every time I see them after that,

after I seen Yayo like in a wee spot, he told me, he was like, he said, nah, Fifth, fuck with you. Just go holler at him if you see him. What?

I said, where are you at? And then I seen my, you know, El Dorado, he said, nah, Fitt, fuck with you. Just go holler at him if you see him. I said, where'd I? And then I seen my, you know, El Dorado, his other man. I seen his son in some shit on the West Coast where he's doing some legal activities. And he told me the same shit. He's like, nah, Fitt, fuck with you. You see him, just say what up. He's like, you sure?

He's like, yeah, man, you fuck with you, just say what up. So he was doing some TV shit. I seen him, and he said what up. And it's funny, because when I first got to talk to Fitt, it felt like he had a lot to say, too. Like, just shit that he probably was on his mind or was conscious for years to say to me. I had like years of shit I wanted to say to Fifth.

And when I seen him and got to hear the talk, I was like, I forgot all that shit. I was like, damn, hi, niggas. Nothing. But no, it's no issue. Like I'm Queens all the way, nigga. If we could have all been cool, that'd have been great. Word. I tried though. But he he never i didn't get the chance to actually make amends do you remember another uh instant where you tried other than that like it like you know what i mean like

even if it wasn't face to face like probably send a two-way message probably because i i was i always wanted wanted to to make that happen plus you know what I would have done for Queens nigga we would have been looking crazy because Brooklyn always had y'all Brooklyn guys always had it

chill chill y'all never always had it chill oh shit this is Queens right here now I'm saying you hear Bowshite talk

give me a whole lot of lists and name the name of Brooklyn and be like I got Nas and Nori and Graff. The list for Brooklyn be long as shit. A lot of Brooklyn niggas, we ain't fuck with each other either.

That's a fact. Like, you know what I'm saying? Still to this day. Yeah, like, we cool, we see each other, but we don't got records together. So it's the same shit. It's New York shit, man. This is New York shit.

New York be on their own shit But I wanted to do that For Queens bad as a motherfucker That shit would have been crazy You know the project They would have been retarded At one point You know what I'm saying

Before Prodigy died There was talks of a Queens tour See You know about this Yeah yeah I said that on the podcast We've talked about that That would have been amazing

You know This is my personal life, so I don't even remember. If there was a Queens tour, who do you think should be on that tour? Who would you pick to be on these Queens tours? I'm picking it. Definitely Prodigy. You, nigga. But Prodigy or Mobb Deep?

Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep. No, I got to be Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep. CNN. You know what I'm saying? CNN.

I'm going. The fuck? Nas. Fifth. G-Unit. A lot of legendary Queens niggas. Tribe Called Quest, man. That'd have been crazy.

Tribe. Yeah, Tribe. Lost Boys. Stack Bundles. R.I.P. to my nigga. Chinks would have been on it. R.I.P. to my nigga. That'd have been crazy. That's another talented brother, right? That's my son, too. Who I'm missing? L.L.? I want him to say it, though. L got it. L got it.

You got to start reading The Witness, man. Oh, look at Suckie. Look at Suckie. Now, L, LL for sure. They don't want to miss it. A lot of niggas are missing But I'm just naming niggas That's top of my head right now Who would you pick? I picked everybody you just picked I'm going for it

We got Finesse, Secret Sequence, Soul Sisters That's back in the days You ain't say Run DMC You gotta put Run DMC Run DMC. We ain't say run DMC. Y'all stop. Y'all stop. I'm happy to tell y'all. Yeah, yeah. Run DMC.

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Would be Nas and Phif. That'd be crazy. I'd buy a ticket to see that shit, and I'd be on it. I'm going to buy a ticket. I want to see that. Yeah. That would be crazy. That would be crazy.

I ain't going to hold you. So listen, man. Our show is about giving people flowers, man. We want to give you your flowers. You've been on Drink Chance before, but this is your interview. Yeah. We're dedicating this to you. I appreciate it. Facts indeed. We're going to make sure you get your motherf your flowers. You've been on Drink Chance before, but this is your interview. We're dedicating this to you. We're dedicating this to you. We're dedicating this to you.

Make sure you get your motherfucking flowers. Yeah. Yeah. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that. That's a new design. That's a new design.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right, indeed. And we also got Bleak. It's me. He got the toe. Oh, no.

You know what I'm saying? Okay. Oh, my God. You know what I mean? Yes. This is fire You taping this to the wall Fuck you mean That's right That's a fact I'm the one on the man who piece

I gotta find a spot For this one You know what I mean This is crazy I appreciate this Like for real This is my Grammy This is going

This is going on a mantle That's a fact That's what Snoop said That's what Snoop said. That's what Snoop said. Snoop said the same shit? He said it's better than the Grammy because it comes from your people. Yeah, that's a big fact.

That's what it feel like. That's a fact. Yeah. I love that. Last time I was on this shit, that was a Ja Rule episode. A long time ago, okay. And it was mad long ago.

That's when I didn't realize how busy I get with this liquor shit. Y'all left Ja off the tour too. Come on, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. Damn. Okay. I should I get with this liquor shit. Y'all left Ja off the tour too. Come on, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. Damn. Okay. I should have only backed this nigga up.

That was great. So you know what? All right, so Ja put the headlining. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Y'all take Queens get the money too far, man. Queens get the money. They got to get the money.

Be happy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And I know I'm naive. I know I'm naive. I know I'm naive. One of the illest times someone laughed at me was when I had Remy Ma up here and I said, I would like the original Terror Squad to be together. And she was like, ha! She laughed at me so much, I was like, oh, we edited this part.

Right? So I know I'm naive, right? But what I'm saying is, imagine all those names for real. And we do it festival style. It'd be crazy. We do it festival style, meaning like... Stages here, stages here. It could be generational.

It could be different styles. Yeah. Generational? I didn't think of it like that. That'd be crazy. Yeah. That'd be crazy. Like Summer Jam style.

That'd really be fucking crazy, though. Right. Niggas would come out to see that. I would see that as a fan of hip hop. I would come see it, even though I'd be on it. I would watch. A nigga like a fan. I tell you another story real quick

and then I'm going to be going to jump back in. There was this prince in Dubai. I don't know if you know this one. And they wanted me, Nas, Mobb Deep, and I forget who else. That's crazy. But he just wanted us to perform in his living room.

Oh, shit. Everybody wanted the bread, but nobody was just like, yo, what if this footage come out? Yo, shit. The bread was fantastic. It don't matter. But I don't know. And it was actually, I swear to God, people follow up on this. It was actually Prodigy like, nah.

He was the only one that was just kind of like, I don't know if he was saying nah. Niggas go sit in niggas' living room for free, man. Y'all just about to get a check? Come on. Y'all should've said yeah, because I've been to a billionaire crib before in the Hamptons who has big

concerts and shit in his crib, but the nigga crib is so crazy. It's like, you forget you in a nigga house. This would be part of the left wing of the guest so crazy it's like you forget you in the nigga house this would be part of the left wing of the guest house yeah he making it sound like the dude

sitting on his session you know what I'm saying I mean we never went so we don't know that's what I'm saying but the nigga I saw him picture it when you said it though

he should know in his remote his liberal probably like Madison Square Garden or some shit Jaden Kiss rapped about

his bathtub lift out his walls doing 360 all that and turn it to a stage. And she transform it. Yeah, like, he was doing some crazy shit down there. He even got a two-bedroom condo,

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Y'all like, I was performing on the balcony. I was there. I was there. I didn't care. You could have Instagrammed me.

I Instagrammed myself. Nigga, I'm good. I'm good. I know, you know what I mean? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I knew it. You know what I mean? My stress nuts. My stress nuts. All right. So is this Quick Time or Slime? Okay.

All right. Cool. We got a Quick Time. So we don't know if you know. Come on. You know. Everybody know. Yeah.

You know the rules of this game? The drinking game? I think so. Yeah. But let's go with it. We're going to give you Two choices Pick one we don't drink

Pick both Or neither of them We all drink I need to reload So if you get the PC answer We drink it I need to reload Right right

Yeah Alright man I will say last time I was here I got so wasted I don't know how the fuck I got home But I made it

I'm here I made it That was when we was At the 89 spot right I made it though That was like five Like five years ago When you sit for so long And don't spot, right? I made it there. That was like five years ago. When you sit for so long and don't pay attention to this shit,

and you stand up, I was like, oh. Yeah, that's every episode. Shit got real. And we got a lot of people up here confessing. My nigga, I was like, I don't know how I made it home. Remember that time we got drunk in your crib at 6 in the morning? Yeah. I don't know how I got home then either.

But I made it. 6 in the morning, we ran out of liquor, started drinking beers and shit. Pop, pop, pop. Sounds like the slime. Someone's up. I made it. We ran out of liquor. Started drinking beers and shit. Sounds like the slime. You know he in college. He said we drinking beers. We ran out of liquor. Why we drinking beers?

That's what happened. Why we drinking beers? Nori used to walk around with the bottles of wine and shit. I ain't going to lie to you. Yo. You know why my BET red carpet is always lit? I'm the only nigga that got liquor. I started it from the BET Awards.

The BET, when we first won it, I realized we were only one backstage with Bud and liquor. You were asking us for a drink. So I ain't going to ask the niggas. Let me tell them. Yeah, a drink. So I hang with us. The niggas was like, what's up, bud? Yeah, you drink, too. I got that glass. So we started. That's the Hip Hop Awards. Then the next year, they asked me to do the BET Red Carpet,

not the Hip Hop Awards. And they let me upgrade. I was like, word? Yeah, you was on the back of the committee. You took the candid spot. Yeah, I think I did. You took the candid spot. And Sonny D,

he snuck in the bottles. And then we realized, yo, you don't got to sneak them in. You can just hold them out. This is drink chips. That's right. I know what the fuck they drink. And I was like, oh shit, so that was the first year.

And now this year, we were super bold. We out there with the Ace of Spades. People were like, uh-huh, yeah. That's great. Our shit was like, uh-huh, yeah. That's the first one

y'all did on the stage? That was the bad joke one, right? That's the one, it started with the Hip Hop Awards when we won the award. And when we realized, nobody snuck in bud and nobody snuck in liquor.

So we had both. Yeah, that's crazy. Our room was lit. We was handing out drinks on stage. They needed y'all. Yeah, they needed y'all. They needed the big y'all up.

Yeah. Look at that. Yeah, man. He cheated on his host duty already. He cheated on his host duty already. That's that, yo, because

your nipples is out, man. That's the problem. You got to cover up, man. You got to try to understand. Yo, I got the wifey to under chill. Yo, I was stressed out. See, look, Grav knew better. He put his wifey in.

I got wifey, too. Chill. You got to do it. We don't see it, bleak. We see your nipples, man. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't.

You're chill. You're chill. You're fucking't. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. Oh, man. That was hilarious, bro.

That was funny. Niggas will come up. That was great content. But art is not content. Stop calling it art. Oh, yeah, yeah. Fact. That's right.

Yeah. Okay, this is going to be ill. I trust you. I already know. I don't write these questions, by the way. It's the Dominican and the Colombian guy right there. That's dangerous combination. The Colombian guy with mad paint on his beard.

And the Dominican guy that smells like cocaine. Okay. All right. And any stories you got of anybody, too. And any stories you got about this. This is dope. This question is dope. By them. Jay-Z or Nas? I'm a Queens name. Any stories you got about this. This is dope. This question is dope. By them.

Jay-Z or Nas? I'm a Queens name. I got to go with Nas. I love both though. I love both though. I love both. Man, I'm never getting my chain out. I'm never getting my chain out.

He had it, but he said, I'm never getting my chain out. He was like, I'm never getting my chain out. Damn it. It's a good one. It's a good one. Follow home, though.

Let's put that out there. Beans or freeway? Damn, why'd I do that? Damn, man. Let's take a shot. Take a shot. Cheers. Salud.

Cheers. Then go over there. Captain America with the shots. Yeah, man. Captain. Got it on a stretch off these questions. This is part of the game. Dangerous. Then go over here Captain America With the shots Yeah man Cap it Cap it on a stretch Of these questions This is part of the game

Dangerous NWA Or Wu-Tang Clan That's impactful too But I gotta go with The Wu though But NWA was just as Impactful on the west coast

But I'm a New York nigga So I felt the effects Of the Wu Here Shout out to MF too That was my first single Me and MF Shout out to MF

That's right You and MF Petey Crack Or Young Chris of the Woo here. Shout out to the man after that was my first single man met the man. Shout out to the man. That's right. You a man. Petey Crack or Young Chris? Why are we doing this? I'm trying to get you the drink, man. That's going to work.

Yeah. We're going to take another shot. Okay, solid. Shout out to my niggas. Solid. These are setups. Kanye West or Just Blaze?

That's a good question, too. It's crazy because when I was at The Rock, me and Ye was kind of close back then. Just Blaze and Kanye. They used to do college radio together, right? But they had their little thing, you know. They was competing at The Rock. They was, like, going hard.

Who, Justin Kanye? Yeah, they was competing. That's pretty sure. That's pretty sure, yeah. Yeah. You had to get that A-bomb with Smoke. Yeah, it was a lot. They was like going hard. Who, Justin Conjuring? Yeah, they was. Yeah, yeah. That's producer. That's producer, yeah. Yeah. You had to, yo, to get in that A room was schmoke.

Yeah, it was serious, yeah. The B room ain't have no AC, so you wanted to get in the A room. They was going hard. You needed schmoke to get in the A room. It didn't have the AC? No, the AC was.

A studio? Yeah, it was the break. Dang it, we was hood niggas. That's a fact. And the million dollar spot. And the super million dollar spot, but that, that's the hood lab.

That's the studio shit. The hood lab had AC, bro. No, I'm talking about like how we used to keep it fucked up. Oh, it was fucked up. I had slept there one time. It was fucked up. My studio, you've been in my studio. Of course.

My studio was so fucked up. And we'll get right back. My studio was so fucked up. EB Queen came over to lay a verse. She took her shoes off. I was like, sweetheart, we don't have no cleaning lady. Please put your shoes back on. It was dirty.

I heard that. It was serious. Yeah, yeah. But, so, where we at with it? Kanye, Just Blaze.

So, you ain't answer. Yeah, I'm going to answer. I'm probably going to have to go with Ye on that one. But I love Just too, so it's like a rough question, but.

Okay. I might go with Ye on that one just because he's still doing it. I mean, Just Plays still kicking ass too, though. I'm going to go with Ye, though. We're going to go with Ye. You're going with Ye? All right. Lost Boys or Onyx?

Damn, that's a good one, too. Y'all on some Queen shit. Y'all on some all kinds of shit. This is disrespectful. Yeah, it definitely is. Damn, both equally as impactful. But I must Probably have to say Lost Boys

Cause of where I live at So I felt the effects Of that more I mean But On the south side too On the south side too But see

But Lost Boys lived Like a little like Three blocks away From my mother house So it's like Like I could see Our crib from my window So it's like

And Sticky do be claiming Brooklyn sometimes He do? Yeah he be claiming Brooklyn sometimes We don't like him, he be claiming Brooklyn sometimes. We don't like him, Sticky. Does he for real? I know that.

I know that. He be like, I'm from Brooklyn too. Like, wait a minute. He went your whole career at Quaze. Yeah, that's a fact. He's Southside nigga.

I don't know. But I go with Lost Boys on that one. Okay. What it personally was, how it affected me, I seen the impact of that firsthand.

Okay. Oh, Big Daddy King. Damn, I was going to switch it up. This is wild. This is like brown skin against dark skin right here. I see what they're trying to do right here. Brooklyn against Queens too. I ain't even beat that.

I tried some shit over here. I know. I'm trying to figure out what happened. Nah, I'm out to stay on my queen shit. I'm out to go LL on this joint. But Kane is Kane though. It's like,

damn, but these are like unfair questions. See, I can't crucify a nigga. Yeah, this is why my eyeballs stick. I was cutting my shit trying to be Kane.

That's it. When Ho said that, three cuts in your eyeballs trying to wild out. I was like, damn, this nigga new? Whoa. That's it Yeah When Ho said that Three cuts in your eyebrow I was trying to wallow I was like damn This nigga new Whoa

That's hilarious Coogee rap or big pun? God damn it We taking a shot? Hey man you leading the witness Oh That's leading the witness Coogee rap or big pun?

Why? Shit, take a shot Fuck it Yeah, let's take a shot Can't answer that Salud Salud By the way, making it chill

Fantastic I like it I'm fucking dead Biggie or Big L? See how he You see why he pulling up right now He already know how it's going down Yeah, they on some shit

nah but I'ma go with Biggie I'ma go with Biggie I love Big L too but that's Biggie rest in peace to both indeed that's a big fact Ice Cube or Scarface

I think it's I'ma go I'ma go with Ice Cube is impactful as a motherfucker but I'ma go with Scarface. That's one of my big bros. Scarface and Bumby.

He tried to sign you. Yeah, earlier in my career. We can talk about that, too. And you did not. I ain't no better at the time. Where? The death jail? Nah, he was trying to sign me to his label.

But this is in the beginning of my career. I was one of the first rappers that was in the South doing shit. These are my real friends. Scarface, Bumby, these are my friends in real life. So I was in the South making records, hanging out, staying out there,

living out there way before it was in style or whatever the fuck for East Coast niggas. It was a bidding war you was going through too. Yeah, so I was already in a bidding war

with Sony and the bigger labels and then Scarface came and said, listen to this, I didn't know what this meant back then, but he said, he said,

Graf, I want to sign you to my label. He said, I don't have the money to compete with the big labels like the Sonys and the Def Jams,

but what I can do is take you on tour and break you as an artist to all my fans and all these markets around the country. I didn't know what the fuck

that meant back then. More than any advantage would have got from a label. I would have been the biggest rapper ever because there's no new nigga that ever toured the South in that way.

I mean, introduced by Scarface? Nigga. Yeah, that's me. I didn't know what that meant back then though. So,

because I'm like, damn, I want to do that, but I'm fucking 20 years old. Somebody talking about half a million dollars. This label talking about this amount of bread.

I'm like, what do you do? What do you do? What do you do? I didn't know what that meant then. I was, I didn't know what it meant. I'm learning.

I was 20, nigga. I'm learning the business. I ain't know shit about nothing. So, I went with the bigger didn't know what that meant then i was wait i didn't know what it is i'm learning too yeah 20 i'm learning the business i ain't no about nothing so i went with the bigger labels not understanding what that meant if i knew what it meant i could keep y'all bread i'm going with face out of here what was his name was his name yeah yeah because i didn't know that until he became the president of def jam south i didn't even know he had his own label outside of when he was on rap aA-Lot and then he, I didn't know he had a label.

Yeah, I think I've heard of it. It was Facemall? I believe so. Yeah, it was. That's crazy. I would've been out of here,

nigga, like forever. It's kind of like, I remember when Nelly came out, he was so big because he did all the tertiary markets and the small markets for so many years

that by the time he had a hit, it was like, pfft, done. Yeah, it was easy. Yeah, he had the relationships with the DJ.

I would've been the only east coast nigga with that kind of connection nah that would have been a game changer for you I didn't know for any east coast

just imagine an east coast nigga no east coast nigga ever had that in they life I didn't know what that meant back then I was too young I like this question

I bet y'all won't Clue or Funk Flex? ah man neither of them play your shit I bet y'all won't Clue or Funk Flex? Aw man Neither of them play this shit Yo Shit Yo you found out Yo shit

Yo you found out Nah I got it Almost Almost Almost I tell you what though Look

Remember Bring the Goons Out? Yeah That was the biggest record I ever had in New York City With niggas Knew the words Playing in the fucking Bougie clubs

It was big Clue broke that shit on the radio. That nigga was bringing that record back like three, four, five, six times a night, dropping bombs, gunshots, all that. He stepped way outside with that shit. He broke that motherfucker. All the way, all the way.

So I got to go with Clue. Really? Flex, don't kill me. Don't kill me. Flex let you rhyme on the show He let you rhyme He did though Yeah

So now Never get invited to another Hottie Nitties Heaven picnic I understand what this means I think it's cute You better He said no more picnics Oh shit

Okay this is a good one Large pro or Marley Mar Both queens too Damn Yeah that's a tough one See Large Pro or Molly Ma? Both queens, too. Damn. Yeah, that's a tough one. See? I should have took a shot on the last one,

because I would take a shot on this one, too. Large Pro or Molly Ma? Hold on. Who learned from who? Was it Molly Ma first? Molly Ma was the original. Yeah, Molly Ma was the original. Okay, yeah, that was smart.

That was smart. Somebody tell Molly Ma to class some samples, though, man. He don't be clearing shit. He don't be clearing shit? Hell no, man. As much as he said that. I don't know Brooklyn niggas. He got it, he got it.

It must be some Brooklyn shit. Oh, okay, all right. Yeah. I'm going to give you a Queens pass. You just told him right now. It's called Queen of a day. It's called Queen of a day.

You know what I'm saying? That's funny. Lloyd Banks or Tony Yeo? We got to fix his G-Unit relationship now. So let's just keep it. I'm going to do it this way. This is a setup. This is a setup, god damn it.

Well, I mean, Lloyd Banks, the lyrical nigga, he's dead nice. Uh-huh. But my nigga Yeo be outside. Yeo be outside with it, though. Yeah. We're going to take a shot at both of them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

We're going to pick this G-University. That's a big guy, yeah. Take a shot. Word. Cormega or Nature? Woo.

This is some dirty shit. that's a good one too. Yeah, it's some dirty shit. I ain't got nothing to do with this one. Yeah, y'all, it's all y'all.

Yeah, it's both of those two. Those two. Nature lived in Marcy, don't forget that. Hey, hey, relax. Yo, y'all, this is Cheddar. This is all y'all. Yeah, this is both, those two. Those two. Nature lived in Marcy. Don't forget that. Hey, hey, relax. Yo, chill.

Hey, relax. You know what I'm saying? Nature lived in Marcy. You playing with nature. That's my dog. You know what I'm saying? Side note. You know my nigga, Ju-Du from Marcy?

You know Ju-Du, right? Yeah, of course, man. I used to be with Ju so much, niggas thought I was from Marcy. Yo, I had- My whole career, you from Brooklyn, right? I'd be like, nah, this is fucking my nigga Ju-Du. I had major smoke with Ju-Du growing up. Nah. You kidding me. You from Brooklyn, right? I'd be like, nah, this is fucking money. This is you, dude. I had major smoke with you, dude, growing up. Nah. You kidding me? Not street beef.

Rot beef. Word. That's my arch nemesis in Marcy. You fucking kidding me? Oh, my God. That's my dog right there. Like, word. He said arch nemesis. That's my dog. On the spot. Me and this nigga used to battle. On the spot. He told me that. He told me that. That's my

nigga. We went to high school together. Word. That's my bro. That's my nigga. We went to high school together. Word. That's my bro. That's my bro. I used to be in Marcy with him so much. Niggas sweat to this day

that I forgot. You from Marcy, right? That's crazy. That's my nigga. That's my brother. Man, I fucks with you. He always been nice too, man. Word.

I'm going to help him put his shit out now. He's still talking that shit. You've been always, he go missing for a minute. You know what I'm saying? You know, Marcy niggas have disappeared for a minute. He's like, yo, where you was at? I'm like, yo, I was in North Dakota

for a minute. You're busy. Guns home and all that. Oh, yeah, I know. Man, word. That's crazy. That's my nigga. I ain't know. I'm still at a pit graph. Yeah, yeah. Y'all can keep talking.

I don't know what kind of that. Yeah yeah I'm gonna go with Nature I'm gonna go with Nature Only cause of the Impact he had on me I'm a fan of both Of them niggas

For real for real But I did a record With Nature mad recently I love what both Of them niggas did But I'll go with Nature on this one Cause you know

We just have a A close relationship Okay So I'll be a little biased But Cormac you know, we just have a close relationship. Okay. So I'll be a little biased. But can't make it that nice, though. Before y'all go to y'all next question, two,

one Brooklyn nigga and one Queens nigga got their illest verses on y'all Queens niggas' records, man. Because Nature on your record, hands down, one of their illest verses. He's a Queens nigga, though.

Listen, I said one Brooklyn, one Queens. AZ from Brooklyn. Hands down. He's not a Brooklyn nigger. He's not. He's a Queens nigger though. Listen, I said one Brooklyn, one Queens. AZ from Brooklyn. Okay, all life's a bitch. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

No, he was claiming us. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. He was from the East. He was not stalking people.

He better stop that shit. He was like, you from Queens, he was like, all right. He better stop that shit. I'm just fucking around. I'm just fucking around. I'm just fucking around.

No, that's funny. I'm just fucking around. I'm an AZ fan, too. Big up to AZ, too. Yes, for sure. For sure. Shout out to AZ. Big up to AZ, too.

Ooh. Oh, there you go. Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? Ooh. Christ. That nigga's on some shit. This is not nice. But see, I love M.O.P., but I got to go with Mob, not only on some Queen shit, because Prodigy is in my top five.

He's a big part of why I rap how I rap. If you listen to my current shit, a lot of his lyrics is quoted in my shit now. Word. So I got to go with it. He was that nice. He was just so different with his shit. Word. Thank you. Word. That was that nice. He was just so different with his shit. Like, word. Thank you.

That was my guy, too. So I'm about to go with the mob on that. But M.O.P., you already know. See, he got the best intro to a verse. I break ribs. I say that so many times. That's the best start of a verse in rap history. You know the verse at all, though, yeah. Oh, no, Blake.

Yeah, but I'm fucking with you. I think this guy don't take a shot. Drink this. It's not for a rap chance. I'm not saying that about privacy. It's not for a rap tour.

I'm sorry you wouldn't say that. I'm not. No, no, no. Come on, man. I'm fucking with you. Podcast or radio? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Podcast or radio? Podcast. Radio ain't except me, nigga. I'm on here, nigga. You see me? That's what I'm saying. Great chance. Great chance. Great chance. Great chance. That ain't except me, nigga. I'm on here, nigga. You see me? I'm saying. Great chance.

Great chance. Great chance. Great chance. That's right, goddammit. What do I know about radio? Nothing. Lauryn Hill or Missy Elliott? That's not fair either.

Goddamn. Who was first? Missy? Missy was first? Nah, I would think Lauryn. All right. Well, Missy was right probably around the same time.

Yeah. I'm going to say Lauren Hill though Nah as a lyricist She's just too She's just too Lauren Hill To not say Lauren Hill And she's on the road to Zion That's a big fact

Right now She's on the road to Zion What did you say I don't know what you said though She's on the road to Zion She's on the road to Zion Oh shit I didn't understand that at all

She's like Uber This is Zion She's like Uber on the road to Zion I know I know Yeah I killed him I don't understand that at all. She's like, Uber. This is Zion. She's like, Uber on the road to Zion. She's coming here right now. I know. Yeah. I killed her. I killed her.

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I killed her. I killed her. I killed her. I killed her. I killed her. I killed O. I've been talking to him for 28 years. You got to speak in O. Not just speak in O. You got to speak in O. It's like Creole.

But different. Busta Rhymes or Eminem? I'm going to have to go with, damn, Busta my nigga too, though. I'm going to go with Em because he influenced my style the same way. I'm a combination of like Prodigy, Eminem, Nas, Jada,

Royce, and Jay-Z. You sure it's not because you and Busta had a fight? Nah, I love Busta. I love Busta, man. Yo, you and Busta had a fight where I was at. Yo, how you had a real fight? Yo, wait, I think you were

in a fight. Yo, shit. How you in for the whole shit? I can't even imagine that fight This is when we first got cool Me and Buss How the fuck you get cool When it's starting to fuck Sometimes Sometimes

I get that out the way A lot of high school Relationship I was young And just hood with it And I didn't understand This industry shit And I came I was calling him To come to the and I didn't understand this industry shit and I came to,

I was calling him to come to the studio just after I left school and I'm just trying to, now I'm a rapper. Right. But I'm not on, I'm not in the industry at all.

I'm still like in the hood doing what I'm doing. Right. And I guess he wasn't answering the phone so I just popped up and he felt the way that I just popped up.

I don't know the rules of this industry shit. He was like, so I'm like, yo, I'm calling the phone. I can picture this, by the way, continue. Yeah, and I'm like,

just hood and just, that's it, just hood. I'm like, yo, I'm calling your phone. I can picture this, by the way, continue. Yeah, and I'm like, just hood, and just, that's it, just hood. I'm like, yo, I'm calling your phone, you ain't answering, so I just popped up. And he's like,

yeah, but I ain't answering. I'm like, yeah, that's why I popped up, nigga. So he's talking to me, trying to explain it, but when he's explaining it, he kind of close to my face.

I don't know how to take this, so I'm just like, I'm not making eye contact, because all I know is this is time for me to swing, but it's somebody I respect. It's not equated in my brain, but I can't figure this out. I'm like, somebody else talking to me like this, I'm swinging, but this is Busta, so I know this is time for me to swing but it's not equating my brain but I can't figure

this out I'm like somebody else talking to me like this I'm swinging but this is buster so I can't swing somebody not make an eye contact because I don't know what to do so then he's but he's not moving so I said I need five feet because I can't think and he's not moving he's still right here I'm like I need five I'm saying I need five feet and he's not moving he's still like making his point but he's a low but aggressive but right here i'm like i think i need five feet my brain can't function i don't know it's three big security guards over here i'll pop off i'm gonna die in this before covid because covid is six feet it's before post i need five i only need five i only need five all right and he wasn't moving so i just

said fuck it let's go outside i just i just said let's go outside and shoot the fifth and he was like we can do it right here. Then the security get mad. They get up, three big niggas, and I'm like, the way the studio's shaped is like an L shape,

so I'm in a corner. I'm like, if they come over here, I'm going to die, nigga. I'm going to be a soccer ball. Like, no. Like, we really going to shoot the fifth.

We got to go outside with it. So I'm like, nah, let's go outside, fuckers. If I can't get to five feet, then let's go outside. And he still talks, so I think I, what I did,

oh, I think I stepped off to leave because the security got up. And then I said something crazy to him and he got tight. What? So he came on the elevator with me. He came downstairs to shoot the five. I threw my hands up. He held my arms down, tried to explain something else again. Let me get downstairs to the elevator.

We talking, talking, talking. He's trying to make sense out of it but maybe I'm just too young or too hood to understand what he's saying I'm already like at level 10 so I think I said

some other smart shit and boss wasn't being pussy about it he's like fuck it we just gonna get it on so I think I hooked off I swung I pushed him some shit

we caught nigga I swung I went you I didn't get like hold on I almost threw my shot on him. Hold on, you ain't even had to take a shot yet. Word up.

You in. I take a shot too. I was just on the story. I'm confused because what's approached with the ultimate love? My nigga from the earth. This is. This is stars love, my brother. Like, there's no fucking way.

It probably was me. That's what I'm saying. It probably was me taking this shit wrong Because I didn't understand None of this shit He probably was trying to Oh he said it So he's like I'm trying to screw you

To some business shit You came in here On some hood shit And I'm like Nigga you can't tell me nothing That was my attitude It was me I'm like 20 years old

1920s I thought he was 19 I thought I was 19 Him and Buzz had a scurvy Oh he fucked me up I popped on him He swung back We got his shit

I thought I pulled out a knife Tried to stab him He broke a bottle. Oh, shit. This shit went real New York. Oh, shit. This shit got crazy. Oh, shit.

Bust him back down. This shit went crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all I knew back then. It's like, we're young and just, you know how this shit go. Queen shit. We were split for that.

This shit wasn't there. This shit wasn't there. We didn't hurt each other, but we respect each other. He's like, this little nigga got hard. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. He was like, I'm not backing down, but we expect each other. He's like, this little nigga got hard. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. He was like, I'm not backing down, but it just went where it went. That's crazy. I don't think many people got that story. But Busta would tell the story.

Busta be like, you know this little nigga tried to fight me? He'd tell the story. He'd be like, yo, he'll tell the story. He'd tell it better than me.

For real, for real. But back, I got to give you a props for my nigga. Niggas compare you to Eminem, man. I mean you. You know what I mean? The pen game is super serious. Niggas compare you to Eminem, man. Yeah. I mean, you know what I mean?

The pen game is super serious. They was calling me the black Eminem for a while. Thank you. That's one of the best compliments to me. I think Em is one of the top niggas. A lot of my influences was them type of niggas. Royce and Em, both of them niggas influenced my shit. Royce and Em too. He's stupid with it too, yeah.

So that's a big compliment for me. Eminem shit. I always want to do a song with him Just one nostalgic shit Because I look up to him as the MC But then two to see Who gets the better verse Like

I'm going to go I'm going to say that Something like that Like nah We're going to have to go hard That's the way it's supposed to be Yeah We're going to go hard with that

A lot of times When I'm making records I'm not trying to get The best verse I'm trying to make the best record Best record Me and Eminem We got to get the best verse

Blood sport, nigga. It's just personal. That's a fact. He coming to smoke shit. You already know. Queen Latifah or Eve? Queen Latifah's first. We got to give it to the queen. We're going to go Queen Latifah.

That's a pretty easy one. Pete Rock or... I was just saying Queen Latifah is just so a pretty easy one. Okay. Pete Rock or? Okay. No, I was just saying Queen Latifah is just so monumental. I always look at where you take your career to. You take this fame shit,

this music shit, and where you go after that. It matters. Like, what y'all did with this drink champ shit? Hope y'all get enough props. Hope y'all get enough props. This shit is amazing.

When you take what you got already and finesse it to the next step, it's like... Yeah, she transcended hip-hop but took hip-hop with her. Yeah. She got like a fucking big movie studio in, what is it, Florida, It's like, yeah, she transcended hip hop but took hip hop with her. Yeah, she got like a fucking big movie studio

in, what is it, Florida, Atlanta or something? Yeah, she's on some A-list superstar shit like Avaline commercials

like the fuck? Like that's, you got to champion that. So we're going to go with Queen on that. Pete Rock or Primo? Why? Why do we do these things?

We got more liquor? We got more liquor? Yeah, yeah. Salute. Salute. Shout out to both of them. They both the bros. These cups are getting tall.

It's going to be rough after this. It's going to be rough. Shit's stagging up. We need a Uber on the road to Zion. You said what? New Jack City or Juice? New Jack City or Juice? New Jack City or Juice? Might go with Juice, for real, for real.

Juice? I might go with, damn, hold on. New Jack City or Juice? I'm just going off what's more impactful. Juice was New York. Juice was more than the hip hop.

New York. Yeah. We claimed New Jack City, but that wasn't New York. was more In the hip hop In New York Yeah We claimed New Jack City But that wasn't New York Mmm What film was it? That wasn't That wasn't New York That wasn't a story

Based on New York It was Detroit New Jack City Mmhmm I thought it was A bunch of different It's about Detroit Gangsta put into

Detroit Oh then that's The only reason I picked Juice Stick with my first answer Alright go And? No New Jack City Was about Detroit Yeah I didn't know that I thought that was Some Harlem shit That's the only reason why I picked Jules. Stick with my first answer. All right, go. And?

No, New Jack City was about Detroit, yeah. I didn't know that. I thought that was some Harlem shit. But Mr. Lee said he knew that? No, no, he- Oh, I'm about to say, get the fuck out of here. I didn't know that. That's serious. I thought that was some Harlem shit.

They shot it in Harlem? It looked like that. Yeah, they shot it in parts of it in New York, but it was based on the crew in Detroit. Did not know that. That was a jewel right there. So juice for sure. Okay, I'm switching it up. I'm Bryce.

I'm bringing it back. Scary. Back. All right. Ja Rule or LL? I think that's an easy one. We got to go LL on that. Because it would be not Ja Rule. Yeah, LL is the...

He pro so Jaguar. Yeah, that's a fact. That's the big queens. Karras or Rakim? Karras or Rakim. Damn. Damn, that's a good one too Shit Might go with Rakim though

Cause I think I probably listen to more of that That influence my type of shit You realize Rakim never cursed? Didn't really Nah somebody else told me that Yeah he never cursed Never?

He never cursed Somebody told me that. Yeah, he never cursed. Never? Never cursed. Somebody told me that. That's pretty cool. He said the hardest bars without cursing. That's fucking nuts. Never cursed. Two points for that, because I curse too fucking much. Word up.

Run DMC or Beastie Boys? Run DMC. Tribe Called Quest or Brand New again? Probably Tribe. Probably Tribe. Your probably kind of fucks me up, though. Yeah. again probably tribe probably tribe yeah you're probably kind of

fucks me up though probably well you got it it's like you're thinking it's like

alright tribe let's go tribe okay loyalty or respect respect because damn

that's a good ass question too loyalty or respect I need my respect I ain't gonna owe you I need loyalty too but and a nigga can respect you or a woman can respect you

and still be this loyal and I guess if a person is loyal they respect you that's a fact so maybe loyalty then or you could have both

why nobody want just say both this is the only time we really think you should drink. Just take both if it's available. If it's available, just take both. Yeah, let's do both. Salud. Indeed, my G.

Salud. We need both. We need both. We ain't take not one, Blesl. What are you? What is this? I don't know, man. You know I'm from the drug.

Yo, this shit is wild tall. Stress nuts. Stress nuts. Word. This shit is inspired by real stress nuts. This shit get any taller. Now, do you think that bars are officially back? Hell yeah.

Yeah? Let me tell you something, man. And that's why I want to shout out To the Gazelle The niggas too And 38 Special I didn't even get to mention that man That nigga is my guy Yeah I'm going to get to that

For sure I thought it was G-Rap Sucked that out G-Rap definitely I know he did that Nah he did He did the whole album Oh wow

38 Special 38 Special produced this I know Benny Butcher Somebody talking about Executive produced it right No he He executive produced Stop Calling Art Content

His big homie DJ Shea God bless him he passed away He produced the whole album and I finished the album in a crib in Atlanta That shit came out retarded too But um When they got hot All of my rap shit Started to make money

And work and shit like that like before that keep it 100 i was hustling i was 15 years old never thought i would have been clean out of the street ever unless you had a hit record or radio and all of this shit i'm like i don't see myself getting a top 40 radio ad right now because of the way this shit went for my career but i never thought i was going to actually be out of the street and just rap, being a rapper. After they came out, all my raps started to sell. Then I met 38 Special and he's such a solid nigga.

You know, niggas will see you making mistakes and not tell you shit, just watch you flop around. But like, I ain't helping a nigga. Special be hell bent on helping his people. And the nigga's very smart business wise with this shit. And the way business deals are structured for underground rap versus mainstream rap, it's two different deals. Two different worlds.

Niggas still selling vinyl. They selling hella merch, tickets, all this shit. Merch and touring. Different deals. One special really hit me to the business, and he literally said, Graf, if you put the same amount of time into this music shit that you put into this street shit,

you'll make the same amount of money. I promise you. I was like, I don't see how. Please explain. And he explained and drilled it in my head, nigga. He made sure I understood the nature of the business and where I was at in it and how important I was and what I had to do to really reach the next level career-wise in that lane. And ever since then, I was like, really being successful in this lane

and the streets is in the past for me. And for me, that was something I had to say, congratulations, take a shot for that, God damn it.

Because I didn't think I was anywhere on the street for it, nigga. I'm dead serious. I didn't think so. How easy was that for you to accept that

from him? Did you feel that you were maybe at a different level than him? Take the shot, sir. No, no, he, oh yeah,

yo, yo, yo. Wild times over here, drink champs is oblique, you know what I'm take the shot, sir. Nah, nah. Oh, yeah. Yo, yo, yo. Wild times over here. Drink chances are bleak. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Yo. Shit. Okay.

Nah, nah, nah. He was still successful. He told me this shit in a mansion, nigga. He got a big-ass house off rap. He was like, none of this shit is street.

This shit is from rap. I'm like, yo, you paid for this house with bars? There's no head rest? Just, nigga, I bought this house off music Man she got heated floors

Versace living room table All this good shit Off rap I was like Oh I'm sold nigga How does this happen I think this is lying B Nah

Where the bricks at Nah Nah It's like when people meet Tech N9ne and them Like they don't They don't see it Until they see it

Like oh damn It's real money and shit Tech N9ne and the Forbes man Put some respect on them That's a big fact i wanted to connect with something yeah i wanted to get with something he made the forbes lifts off straight underground shit that's real shit yeah that goes to show you the level of market power that the streets really has right it's just that when you focus on a mainstream you might not get to see it right so once he broke that down i understood the business wise how to deal destruction and whole shit i was like oh shit life is different like this is when you focus on a mainstream, you might not get to see it. Right. So once he broke that down, I understood the business wise, how to deal with destruction

and the whole shit. I was like, oh shit, life is different. Like this is real shit. And that shit literally changed my life. So I always salute Special

every chance I get because I'm like, I'm literally making a living off music, nigga. Right. In my brain, it was not,

I couldn't imagine it, nigga. Like, how? So what did he force you to change? Like, what changed in you from the point that he spoke to you? It was the business. He implemented so many tools, business models in my head that I was talking to execs different.

I'm walking in these meetings armed with different information. So the shit I'm saying now, my deals are structured way better. I got certain execs and lawyers starting like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, because they're not expecting an artist to notice. You know what I'm trying to say? So it was just information. He empowered me in information. I went in them offices talking way different,

leaving them with way better situations. I was like, oh, this is the real shit, nigga. Because he's more like, he's more like on the executive side with niggas he working with because he understands

the structure of the business in that realm. You know what I mean? So props to that nigga. Word. He changed everything for me. I keep it a buck. Business-wise,

like how I approach shit Different And you're still independent Correct? Yeah That's a question That we should have asked Word

Independent or major? I would say independent Unless you have the right major Because the average record deal To me is just a bad fucking loan It's a bad deal All these deals It's a loan

Today it's independent It's a bad deal I'd say 20 years ago Major Today If you want to make some money You better stay independent Facts Because I can sell It's a bad deal. All these deals are bad. It's a loan. Today, it's independent. It's a bad deal. I'd say 20 years ago, major. Today, if you want to make some money, you better stay in. Facts. Because I could sell a tenth of the records that, let's say, Meek or whoever sells and probably make more money off my shit, depending on the actual sales of the music, because

I'm going to get 80 to 90% of the dollar. Meanwhile, the average, though, you might be getting 15 cents. And the labels take 85 cents, which is fucking astronomical. Y'all niggas don't create shit. You know what I'm saying you paying back it's a bad loan my nigga so unless you got the kind of deal where they're gonna spend hella marketing dollars on you to make you famous where that fame can take you to do other shit with your with your with your brand cool but otherwise not independence man i'm making my bread i'm cool word i'm taking major all the time Not bad at you If they gonna cash you out

You getting the right deals though If they gonna cash you out That's what I'm saying The right deal major If you trying to make some money It gotta be the right deal The right deal major Yeah

Otherwise you gotta negotiate And you got in the major labels In a different time frame too When they was giving out that bag When there was so much money People were were just like, here, have it. Why you think a crackhead still want to smoke crack? Because they remember that first time. So you know you would keep comparing yourself to a crackhead.

Yeah, let me just say something. I started Independent War Report. Everyone says it's a classic. Everyone says, man, I lived it. But that was back then, though. That was back then, though. Yeah, but you was a kid, man. What do you mean?

It didn't matter if I was a kid or not. I didn't reap no benefits off of that shit. But listen, later, later. What I'm saying is when you independent, you don't get that. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about back then. I'm not talking about now. Yeah, it was different then.

Now it's different because we didn't have direct-to-consumer back then. Exactly. That's what I'm saying? I'm talking about back then, I'm not talking about now. Now it's different because we didn't have direct-to-consumer back then. You know what I'm saying? We were speaking about London earlier. In order for us to get those records to London, we actually physically had to go there. Right, right, right. It's different. That bad business deal got you where you

at today. I'm trying to get philosophized. You can't say that because bad deals get you in the right position. I didn't say the bad deal. I'm about to say that. Don't try to get philosophy. You can't say that because bad deals fuck to get you in the right position. I didn't say the bad deal. I'm saying I didn't benefit off of it, meaning financially.

Imagine if you would have signed a deal at CNN at that time frame, a major record deal. Maybe you got a dope advance and the record doesn't sell at the end of your career. And you're tied to a major label for five albums and you're not here today. Exactly. I'm stuck in that same

dilemma with Hov. That's how it was. Capital wanted to sign me 250. Hov gave out 75 bands. My manager looked at me like I was retarded taking 75. I said, yeah, but you know the difference? Hov can't. I'd have signed to them niggas I wouldn't be here.

That's the fact, they wouldn't even fuck. Exactly. No nipples out, none of that. I was like, fuck that. That's the reason why

I'm trying to sign money shirts. That's the reason. You know what I'm saying? So I was in that same situation. You're going to choose the homies over the money. Nah, I mean, you know what?

You're right, you're right. I mean, in your case, that's your brother. You know what I'm saying? So you know. I remember my manager saying, I ain't going know what? You're right. You're right. I mean, in your case, that's your brother. You know what I'm saying? So you know. I remember my manager saying, I ain't going to even say his name, but I remember him saying, yo, this Rockefeller shit is just a dream. What if it never happens?

Wow. I want his name. He was like, what if it never happens? I was like, then fuck it. I won't ever be on, though. I'm never going to leave the dog. I'm going to leave the dog. Whatever you say, I'm with you. You were in ever be on, though. I'm never going to leave the dog. I'm with the dog. Whatever you say, I'm with you.

You were in a unique situation, though. That was your friend. Yeah, but still. Nigga's going to say, I think it's garbage. Get him out of here. Right, right, right. We'd all be back on the green garbage can selling them packs. That's a fact.

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You being signed to The Rock, and then you hearing that dis-turmoil. What did you first think? I don't know. Look, that's the ghost of Rockefeller right there. That's the Rockefeller chain. That's the Rockefeller chain right there. Tweet that shit out. So you physically signed the contract? I was in the middle of signing the contract.

We still reading it, nigga. The ink is like, I wrote one letter, like the P. I didn in the middle of signing the contract. Like we still reading it, nigga. Like the ink is like, I wrote like one letter, like the P, I didn't get to the H yet. Right, my name's not in it. Like, so when I heard it was turmoil, I didn't think it was going to affect us like that. I didn't, I couldn't imagine not going the distance but the rock.

It was just, you living your dream. I'm like, oh, this is great. So when it didn't happen I was like oh this this is it happened so fast I couldn't even process it because right as soon as it happened Dame started Dame Dash Music Group

we went over to Def Jam flew to Puerto Rico did that big ass conference all this shit was happening like back to back so it was like and I'm still working as an independent

so you did fly out though you ain't getting in the jet but you flew out yeah yeah they flew you out they flew you out we still fly not private but first class okay okay you know what I'm saying You ain't getting a jet, but you flew out. Yeah, yeah. Okay, all right. They flew you out. They flew you out. We still flying. Not private, but first class.

Okay, okay, okay. You got to know what I'm saying? You got to know what I'm saying? Listen, listen, listen. We got some perks, you know what I'm saying? They didn't put us first class, G. We was in the B group. We flew coach.

You got to get your mouths up. Hopefully, it was on some bullshit. When he wrote, listen, when he wrote that verse, you want to tour a million hours, I fly over your bus. That's about me right there. This is life, nigga. You just left the last night and you spit this? Yo. I'm telling you.

That is fucking hilarious. Why are you messing your buses in the place you're in? I was in the B group my whole life. You ever been in a B group jet? I was on the B group jet. By the way, I didn't even know that existed. When Hov did the Hangar tour, remember? He did the Hangar tour for his album.

He had a private jet just for him and his crew. And then he had a jet for the band. You know what Bleak had to ride? The band. So I'm like, yo, Hov. Wait, wait. The band? Yeah. jet for the band. You know what Bleak had to ride? The band. So I'm like, yo, Hov, why I got a... Wait, wait, the band? Yeah, the niggas who... Oh, the band.

You feel like, yeah, the guitars, the homies. These my niggas, me, Goo, all of us. Goo was in the B group with me. It was so good. But listen, I wanted to be in the A group. It's like, it's a hanger tour. I ain't really got to work. Hov, why am I on this jet?

He's like, yo, just in case they act up, I need somebody there that got knowledge that can hold it down. You ever seen niggas have a fight 60,000 feet in the air? Nah. These niggas was on the jet fighting, rumbling. They was giving out shots and shit like drink chips before this. These niggas was wilding, talking about who had the best set. You know who was talking?

Niggas like, nah now I'm better than you. These niggas started fighting the way the flight attendants is looking at me like, yo, break it up. And I'm looking at them, what's the safety precautions for this shit?

Open the door. We're not FAA. Let's go with it. These niggas parachute. So when we land, I'm telling Hov, I'm like, yo, these niggas in the air fighting.

He like, that's why I got you on there. I control that shit. Nigga, I want to go home. What's going on here? It's a great story. I'm telling you. Yeah, I'm telling you. The B group was real.

So all that first class, Dane might have looked out because Dane was on that, yo, we smoking on the jet. Hov like, like that shit if you want. You got to have a parachute. We did smoking on the jet Hov like Like that shit if you want You gotta have a parachute We did smoke on the jet You remember Yeah yeah Dane was looking out Dane

Dane looked out Hov Dane sent me to Japan First class Everywhere I went all over All over the place Dane was

But this is Dane Dash music group Or this is Nah that's when we still Fucking went to rock Oh yeah This was It was so close It was so close

Yo listen I'm asking Tell me I don't even remember. But Dane was... Dane was cool. Jay is a project friend that's a real project friend

that no matter how much money he got, he ain't letting the project side with you and him go. Okay. Like, if he know I got weed on me going through the airport, he used to be like, as I'm walking,

he be saying, tick, tick, tick. So I be like, yo, my nigga, what you doing? He be like, yo, when you was in Paris, he used to be like, as I'm walking, he be saying, tick, tick, tick. So I be like, yo, my nigga, what you doing? He be like, yo, when you was in Paris, he like, you la bumba. Like, you gonna blow up. You hot as a motherfucker. So I'm like, yo, my nigga, chill.

You trying to get me caught? He like, nah, but I'm just saying, you hot as a motherfucker. Like, you bringing weed through the airport. So I'm like, Jay, chill. It's me. Why you trying to rat on me? I'm telling you, you hiding a motherfucker. Like, you bringing weed through the airboy. So I'm like, Jay, chill. It's me. Why you trying to rat on me? I'm telling you, he's, nah, bro. It get crazy with the homies.

I didn't get a chance to get that close to Jay. Yeah, Dame. Me and Dame got close. Dame like, give me the pack. Yeah, Dame is. Dame like, what? We going through security bleep? Give me the pack.

It's the Procat days, right? Yeah, yeah, all that. Yeah, Dame is really. Procat. I had the ProCat days, right? Yeah, yeah, all that. Yeah, the ProCat. The name of the brother. The ProCat. I hate the ProCat. That's why. I hate the ProCat.

You know what I'm saying? I hate it, the ProCat's era. Niggas trying to bring those children home. It's like, yeah, we ProCat. It's not me, nigga. I'm going to Nike tonight. You want me to admit something?

You want me to admit something? Yeah. Big is going to be mad at me I'm not saying Armadale now Because I haven't tasted the new Armadale I got a bottle still I can bring it to the next picture It's the new Armadale That shit was rubbing alcohol

But the Armadale back then Yo Yo I had a heart to say This is the worst thing That shit was bad'all ever had. That was bad. That shit, you could taste the dirt in that motherfucker. You could hit the shit in me.

And then they right there like, yo, that shit good, right? And I just lied to them the whole time. Yeah, man. Fuck yeah. Armadale was bad. Fuck yeah. I didn't even drink back then, so it was cool. It was like, all right, cool.

Y'all do y'all thing with that. But they killed the industry. The industry was like this, doing the Dane Dash, Dash. They gave me so much boxes of that shit, I had the whole hood lit up Armadale. I had boxes in the trunk. Armadale, if you get Armadale, you get Armadale. And the hood ignored it. It was fucked up, too.

The hood just kept drinking it. The hood was like, what? The whole hood was drinking it. You know what I'm saying? That let you know when the liquor company doing bad. When they just got cases to give away, nobody buying that shit. Oh, I thought they was up. Nah, nah, nah.

I thought they was up like Chuck. Think about it. You just getting them aces. All right. Well, I was giving you cases. You didn't want them. Yeah. Shit different.

They just giving shit away. It's like they just sending them cases. Ah, fuck it. Somebody got to drink it. We thought we was special. Damn, Blake. No, I had cases in my crib too.

Remember, all my cousins love Armadale, but to me it was like, I think it's take this shot. Oh, that's for me. So let me ask you straight up, Grav.

You think you was blackballed? Straight up. We did a quick time. I mean, yeah. Hold on, take a shot before you guys do that. Let's take a shot. you as black balls? Straight up. We just get a quick time. I mean, yeah. Hold on, take a shot before you guys do that. Because I want the real shit. I want the real shit.

I want the real shit. We on drink chance, nigga. Plug it. Keep it 100? Yeah, I'm going to keep it 100. Yeah? I'd have been rich. Been out the street,

different life, employed all my niggas, all that. But who you think... Yeah, black ball, but who... Yeah, who you think could haveas, all that. But who you think- But yeah, Black Ball by who? Yeah, who you think have that much power

that can make him see your- At that time, see, I don't want to say it like that because then it seems- Like, who had that vendetta

against you? No, it's not, it wasn't one individual. It was like, collectively, we just not fucking with, these niggas is on

Do Not Disturb. We just not fucking with these niggas based on this whole 50 cent shit. You were black hand as a whole. Us as a whole to keep it 100. Us as Disturb. We just not fucking with these niggas based on this whole 50-50 shit. You were black-hand as a whole. Us as a whole

to keep it 100. Us as a whole. It just was like we just not fucking with nothing that's coming from this way based on what relationship we have

with 50. So it's not like I can say like a nigga's like oh 50 black balls y'all. Nah, I can't say it like that. I'm not saying he went out his way

to personally do that but he does make niggas choose sides. That's just how. That's who he polarizes people. That's the way. Like what happened right now withiggas choose sides. That's just how. That's who he polarizes people. That's the way it is.

Like what happened right now with Kendrick and Drake. It's the business. When you're that level of an artist, you can polarize people. So it was like, and the only way to hurt a nigga is to hurt him in his pockets.

And I mean, so the industry at that time was more gatekeeping. It wasn't like, oh, I can just go independent and blow the fuck up. Yeah, it was a smaller industry. It was gatekeeping.

It was gatekeeping. If you ain't have the powers that be behind you, you're just not getting on. You know what I'm saying? No matter how much money you travel up in the streets, independent and blow the fuck up on yeah it was a smaller industry it was gate it was gate kept if you ain't have the powers that be behind you you're just not getting on they go i'm saying no matter how much money you try up in the streets you can't just go fucking do pay all of everybody and get on it's not that's not what the fucking game was you could try that you still don't get on like that small industry or the mother so yeah it was a lot of uh a hell of resistance nigga it was like i'm i'm here today because i just got enough talent and enough love from people. And consistency.

You're consistent, bro. I'm super resistant. Like, I go so hard. I don't know how to relax, nigga. Like, people be like, oh, you're an animal. You work all day. It sounds like a compliment,

but it's really not. I don't know how to relax. I don't know how to stop working. I work on vacation, nigga. That's a fact because we shot the V and you was on the tour with Joyner Lucas the next day.

I'm like, yo, hold on. This ain't even say he was going on tour. I was gone. I don't know how to stop, my nigga. And the tour With Joyner Lucas the next day I'm like yo hold on This ain't even say He was going on tour I was gone I don't know how to stop And the tour was crazy Word up Shout out to Joyner too

Which that was crazy And was you also on tour With Benny and them? I was on Benny I did two tours with Benny And then my last tour We just ended Was Joyner Lucas

So you ain't doing more tours Than me You know what I'm saying? Oh shit I don't know how to turn it off My nigga I ain't gonna hold you And listen

Today money Better than then money We're touring right And merch and all Yeah but I'm saying? Oh, shit. I don't know how to turn it off, my nigga. I ain't going to hold you. And listen, today money better than then money. We're touring, right? And merch and all that. Yeah, but I'm making money now. You got to fucking think about it. Look, look. They got screw... They got...

Stress nuts. Stress nuts, man. That's right. All these companies throwing money. Yo, shout out to Stress Nuts, man. DJ Nelson. It wasn't nothing back in the day. I can sponsor my show.

I'll do a whole corner for you niggas, man. What's up? That corner was okay. It wasn't a show. the day But GTP When we was rolling doing tours It wasn't nothing but GTPs That's it Gangsters turned promoter That's it Niggas who wanted to Clean their bread up Jump in the game

Wants to pull up He had a song We didn't know When we pulled up to the spot Niggas were like singing a song. GT, GTP. So everybody knew in the car, it's a gangsta.

You know what I'm saying? So today, you got corporate venues, Ticketmaster, all this. We got Monster, Monster Energy. We got they little canned dudes. Look, that's why I say today, today, it's easier to go independently on But that's why I say You got these old canned dudes Look But that's why I say You can pray to us Today Today It's easier

To go independently On things Because of all these outlets And companies And creatively as well Yeah you can do Like even Jordan Lucas is a good example

He was signed to a major at first Yeah they helped him get the fame But then he took that notoriety And his talent And took off Went independent Now he's stupid fucking rich Took off

Like all the money Now he's smart as fuck Yeah The money the labels Would have been making off his records go in his pocket. That nigga way up, nigga.

You know what I'm saying? So you got the bread and the talent and the skills and the records. You can't tell a nigga nothing right now. I ain't gonna lie.

You know what I mean? His videos be the illest. No, his creative is the most creative. I fucks with his creativity. That nigga sits, he edits his own videos, my nigga.

His man, my man Trav, shout out to Trav, shoots it. He edit the shit himself. The nigga thinks of the videos first, then write the song. His man, my man Trav, shout out to Trav, shoots it. He edit the shit himself. The nigga thinks of the videos first, then write the song.

His brain is different. My nigga's an ill nigga, man. Shout out to Joyner, word. But the independent money is where it's never been at today. Like, that's why I would choose independence over major unless the deal is right.

You remember he had... You don't smell that hash? Nah, where you get it from? Sunburn. My people at Sunburn, big you up. Go ahead. I remember he had lyrical drama when he first came out. With who?

Joe Buttons. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. You remember that? No. Yeah, Joe Buttons had a smoke when they first came out. Joe Buttons just was saying he retired better than the gang. He was like, y'all retired better than 97% of the industry.

I'm good. Now he did because he up now. He probably made more money now as a retiree of rap than he was in his industry. Listen, Norrie was telling me numbers. I'm down. He said, yo, Blee, get down, lay down. Get down. Back to you.

I guess you. Solo. I guess you. Solo. Solo. Get down. That's a. Solo. I guess you... Solo. Solo. Get down. That's a fact. I'm down.

Nah, me and Joe, it was just rap though. Like, he took the style or whatever and then like, when I was on Sony, they were so bent out of shape that he took my style

that they said... Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. What did you say? Yeah, he said Joe Button took his style. Back then, yeah. Do you feel that? Everybody's feel. wait. Hold on a second. What did you just say? Yeah, he said Joe Buttons took his style. You said Joe Buttons took your style? Yeah. Back then, yeah.

Do you feel that? Everybody's feel. Yeah. It was a major smoke because it was at the time when they first came out. Joe Buttons just was coming out. Right.

Graf was just coming out and the whole talk of New York was like, yo, somebody, Graf said he stole his style. Now, funny thing, I wasn't even saying that at first. What happened is

Sony said it to me. They said, when they signed me and gave me this big ass deal, they was like, well, we feel Joe Button kind of took your sound

and we signed you and we thought you were special but now there's two of y'all then we don't know what to do with you now. There's two of y'all. So basically, if the deal wasn't done,

they wouldn't have signed me. That's when I was like, I'm going to have to kill this nigga because I was just, I was super tired. Couple of numbers already out? That was the second one. He put Focus out. Focus was the first style. Focus was before that. It's crazy. I was like I'm gonna have to kill this nigga because I was just I was already out that was the second one he put focus out focus yeah it's great I was working both Sony that's how I met you and I was working Def Jam at the same time so that that's what I got

independent but I wasn't even tight at the style thing until I realized it would have cost me my deal if deal wasn't done because they had a problem but it was like well what do we do now like if the deal wasn't done. Because they had a problem with it. It was like, well, what do we do now? Like, if the deal wasn't done, they would have dropped it. They would have been like, we're not signing it no more. It's too long. We're not special no more. That's how they was treating it when he did it. Like, you know what I mean?

Right. Real quick, put a pin in this. Yeah, I wanted to. Think how nostalgic, though, that is that a label would even say there's two of y'all. We might not assign y'all. Now that would never happen. Hell, hell no. There's three 2020 y'all.

We could have 17 of y'all right now. They're all in that now. Now that we're talking about it. The only thing about it, Kendrick and Drake is right now on the same label. No, but that's not what I'm talking about. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm talking about similar styles. You know how like-

No, but what I'm saying, I'm just giving you an example of what's happening right now. Yeah. Is they're both on the same label. You know Universal wins this whole beat. Oh, yeah. They win. Oh, yeah. You say who won Kendrick and Drake? Say Universal, sir. beat. Oh, yeah, they win. Oh, yeah. You say who won, Kendrick and Drake?

Say Universal, sir. Right. Say Universal. That's a fact. I killed it. I went too far. I'm losing. I might come at you.

No, you might have to. You might have to. You take the fork in the road. I didn't feel right saying it. You gave me some secrets out there. You gave me some secrets. I gave you secrets out there. I didn't feel right saying it.

I didn't feel right saying it. I didn't feel right saying it. I didn't feel right saying it. I didn't feel right saying it. That's all good shit. But I will say, shout to Jo, though, nigga. It ain't feel right saying it. I didn't mean to direct it. That's all good shit. But I will say, shout out to Joe, though, nigga. But back then, I wanted to fight and everything. I seen him in Puerto Rico.

I was like, let's fight. I was super tight. You was going to fight Joe Burns, too? A million percent. And you told the briefs. What's the ride? Hold on. I thought it was just microphone.

In Puerto Rico? No, no, no. I wanted to fight. I was so mad, nigga. I was like, hold on. I'm glad we cool, because nigga wanted to fight anybody. He was like, yo, we shoot the on. I'm glad we cool because they don't want to fight anybody. He was like, yo, we shoot the flies.

I'm going to sit down. We shoot the flies. Back then, how would we celebrate back then? We were in all of our heads. He said in Puerto Rico. Yeah. We was going to be having a good show.

We were going to be having a good show. I was like, whenever I see him, vacation. I'm making a lid. I seen him and I was just, I was trying to go there. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't don't know all the way to soft shit. I'm him and I was just, I was trying to go there. You know what I'm saying? But I ain't no other way to solve shit. I'm fucking 20 years old. New York, man. New York. Like, fuck that. Fight. There's no other way to solve shit back then. Like, we must fight.

Do death. Do all. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So that's how I was on it. But I'll be cool now. That's my nigga.

Right. Back then, we wasn't trying to be cool with nobody back then. I wanted to smoke with whoever the fuck. You know what I'm saying? And back then, coming out of New York, you knew.

It was like that. You was the toughest nigga from your block. Remember? No matter where you went. My hood. Bleach. Remember Payton Ford?

How Al Ford was like, what's the point of having all this power and all these armies and all this money if you can't use it? That's kind of how I felt. I was like, I got all this talent, all this money, and a't if you can't use it that's kind of how i felt i was like i got all this talent all this money and a million gangsters with me i was like i like how you said paid it for then you said outpour what really

paid it for is rico oh facts facts well rico cam let's just go there okay no no let's say rico that's the character he played right right that's the bad that's the bad well that line cam said let's just go like i'm saying that shit I'm saying? That shit that Cam said. That shit was like, what's the point of having all this power if you can't use it? That's the mentality I had then. I wasn't thinking business at all.

I didn't even give a fuck about it. You don't even focus on money. You just want to be the best and the realest and whatever. You're not thinking about business. That was it. You're learning the business. You don't know it.

That's the realest coming out of New York. You kidding me? Yeah, it was like that then. Okay, God comes down. Thank you. He said, God comes down. He says, he says,

Graff. That's exactly what he's going to say too. Yeah, God of Hood, nigga. That's scary. What do you want me to do? He says, Graff. God, he comes down.

He says, he says, listen, I need you to make one record, Save Humanity. Jesus. You got one producer to pick

and one feature. Save Humanity. God damn, that's a big job. Yeah, I mean. I got to make We Are The World. No, no, you got to make a classic record. It's not We Are The World Cause you ain't got to be

You ain't got to be smooches and shit You ain't got to do Benny Hanna Like Benny Hill You ain't got to rub on your nipples And things like that You ain't got to do that Benny Hanna

I meant Benny Hill I meant Benny Hill Yeah Benny Hill You remember Benny Hill I love Benny Hill Benny Hill was the first Her porno, man

Yeah, Benny Hill was Benny Hill was the first Pound licker Yeah,. Yeah, Benny Hill was the first to have porn. Yeah, with the static channel. He was stressed out. He was stressed out. He was stressed out. But God says, you got one record. Graph style.

Graph style. Not, we don't, you know, you don't need to go pop. You make the perfect song you saying perfect song so one rapper one producer you're a perfect song

one feature and one producer who you going with sheesh um are we going to shake the world maybe motherfucking

uh no problem gotta be gotta be a rapper though right producer and a feature don't matter you can pick Michael Jackson if you want shit No probblies. Gotta be a rapper though, right? In the future.

Don't matter. You can pick Michael Jackson if you want. Shit, that's not a bad idea. Stay alive, stay alive. Stay alive, people. Stay alive, stay alive. We might have to go like maybe do like Beyonce and Pharrell or something. I knew he was going to say Pharrell.

That's smoky. He going to give you that shit that the world can't deny. That's Beyonce B coming with the smoke. You can't lose then. Then I'm like, all right. Then you say podcast or radio. I'm like, radio. That's when you switch up radio.

We got major labels. Now we going major ads to the radio. That's right. Now we going major ads to the radio. That's a big fact. Next text. My friends. You know what I'm saying? Next text,

tell them send that family and friends. LV, we need it. I don't know how to ask that. Just ask them. Give me the phone. You write a text. Give me your phone.

Bro, I need that. We do need that, yo. That's a big fact. But that's great. But hold on. Let's make some noise for Pharrell, man. That's right. That's right.

That's amazing. Yo, that's amazing. Hey, that's a push of tea they got. He named push of tea the president, I believe, like men's fashion. So I believe he's like, don't quote me on this. Well, clips, I think, are like the, I don't want to say models. No, it's just push of tea, I believe.

They not the? I don't believe it's clips. Like the spokespeople for it or something? I believe it's just Pusha T. Either way, whatever, man. Shut up. I love to see people of all color making them kind of moves in them kind of spaces. That shit is inspiring for me.

I'm fucking with those. I almost swiped. We need that family of friends. They got Tims? They're Tims? Yeah, bro. We need that family. We need that family.

Yeah, he called me me I was in Italy I was so happy Stay focused I was like yeah I don't know if I can do 3K I'm about to say that I don't know how I don't know how to say that

No no bleep You might be on a song You might have to text him For that discount Cause I can't spend 29 on Tims I'ma be honest with y'all guys You're with a place and they scuff For 29 on it

I'ma be honest with y'all guys I'm 46 years old I with y'all guys. I'm 46 years old. I have never heard of a Louis Vuitton discount. I did. But you know the homie. You know the homie over there. I want the Richard Millie connect.

That's great. That's different. Look me back in. That's different. I got the AP plug. I got the AP plug. I can't read LV all day. I got the AP plug. You got the AP plug? I can't read LV all day. I ain't gonna lie. I got the AP plug. You got the AP plug?

I want the chance to die. You want to see it? Read to me. Yeah, I had to join the watch club by myself. Don't put me on it. I said it last episode. Put me down. I had to go out there and make moves.

There's no secondhand watch club. You got to put yourself on. You got to go in there and have coffee with Mochaccino in it. The AP club, we in there. That's right. We in there. We in there. You know to go in there and have coffee with Mochaccino in it. The APB. The APB Club. We in there. We in there. We in there. We in there.

We in there. I'm not in there. What you got on right there? There's a rollie. Can't go wrong. I kept it basic. Plain Jane. You into watches watches You into that

Yeah I just need some more money So I can be in even more Okay You know what I mean I need some more money Yeah Yes yes I can't blow all the money on you

No no no I'm taking a peeve Taking a peeve break Yeah word up I'll go to the woman's You go to the man's I'll go to the man's You go to the woman's

Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word Word taking a pee-pee's break. Cool. I go to the woman's, you go to the man's, or I go to the man's, you go to the woman's. Word. Not to make room. So, also, also, you did love and hip-hop at one point. I did.

I was, uh, born on there on purpose. I was born on there. They, they, they paid me, but then they,

they ain't want to keep paying me. The money was great, but, the money was good money. The exposure They paid me, but then they didn't want to keep paying me. The money was great, but... The money was good money. The exposure was good money, but it ain't really my style, the show,

so I kind of wanted to be forgotten. Forever. I didn't want to like... To be a star on that show, even your personality ought to fit that. Yeah.

Or you got to do some goofy shit. All the ideas I had, that was cool. They was like, yeah, yeah, we can do that, we can do that, but there wasn't jacking none of that. I was like, all right, cool. You ought to change the name of that show. Like positive. That shit ain't loving ideas I had that was cool, they wasn't really, they was like, yeah, yeah, we can do that, we can do that, but they wasn't jacking none of that.

I was like, all right, cool. You got to change the name of that show. Like positive. That shit ain't loving hip hop. I was trying to do it like if they love no more. No, it's just drama.

But I said, look, I'm not mad at the drama. I can do that, but let me set up cool shit that I can do drama at. Like, you know, I got a factory. I made clothes.

I was doing art, painting on mannequins, all this cool shit. Let me do some cool shit. I can fuck it up with some bullshit. I'm fine with that. They wasn't really, they was just yessing me to death for not doing all this cool shit. Let me do some cool shit. Y'all come fuck it up with some bullshit. I'm fine with that. They wasn't really,

they was just yessing me to death for not doing that. They tried to get me on that show. I told them, niggas, hell nah, dawg. You ain't famous. You ain't needed.

Not me, dawg. You ain't getting me and wifey on there arguing, making up some fake shit. I came with a fake. Biggest like your bleak, a bad husband. Nah.

Nah, dog. I came, see, look, you can't go in there with your real wife unless y'all understand how to play it. Yeah, my wife didn't let me fake a wife. Because if that was the case, I would have been out of there. I would have been out of there. I was going in there. You was faking the wife. Yeah, it was like something I was just kicking it with.

We've been together for two years And then I had another Azaisha Diaz She was supposed to do some kind of like Weird shitty thing No no that's the homie Some kind of weird Triangle of shit

And make it look good for TV But it was like We made it up But if I was really, like, nah, like, my actual girl... Nah, I'm not doing that. Nori went all the way in. He went to marriage boot camp and everything.

Yes, I did. Nori went all the way in. He even tried to call me and tell me, Nori's personality is so crazy and big, he can do that, though. You know what I'm saying? It's true. He tried to say me up.

It's true what you're saying. His personality, he can get up. Certainness to get away with that shit because his personality is, like, big and he can that. His personality, he can get away with that shit because his personality is like big and he can do crazy shit. And by the way, you can't get me, you can't get me to do no dumb shit,

especially with my lady. Like you can't, but I'm going to tell you what love and hip hop is. This is what I caught on. Like me and, this, this,

this, this, this, it's not like they set you up. You give them the information So it's like It's like me and you talking right So we talking

And you like Yo Nori what up What up Then they yell cut As soon as they yell cut Our mics is still hot That's right Yeah

So you'll say something like Yo Nori Last night I got it lit Yeah you're wired And set them up You're snitching on yourself You're wired Yup

So So I'm sitting there And I don't realize I'm wired. So we're sitting there having a conversation, and then they yell, action. And they're like, so Bleak, tell them about that wild night you had last night. And you're like, I didn't tell y'all that. And they're like, well, nigga, we got it on film already. You did say it. Right. And then you're like, oh, that's when the drama starts. So

if I didn't know that that off conversation was off, they'll pull me to the side and say, as soon as we tell Bleak that, I'll attack him and be like, yo, bro, but that night was wild, I heard. Yo. Right. Me and you got drama.

Why would you say that? You understand what I'm saying? So they don't make the drama They take They instigate Yeah They take it I mean That's why I love the B group

I've been in the day room In jail So I know this shit So I'm like Oh this is This is too easy Yeah Right

But you can finesse that To your benefit I did You know they listening That's why I was feeding them bullshit Oh I didn't know that I didn't know I was like

I was feeding shit that He's making up shit he's all in code so oh i didn't know that like me i might be telling you any one thing i might i might i'm controlling this whole shit in my head that's a strategy i didn't know that so yeah so now if you if the mic is off but you know you you didn't yes you didn't me and bleep didn't already plan this we already talking like we don't understand it's on and i can't what I'm saying? I can see the text messages, the phone call right now. But I can tell you this. You don't love me.

Am I bad? No, no, no, no, no. But I can tell you this. This is a show that exists that's not made yet. That means you. Yes, when we show on Real Relationships. Yeah.

Like, when you show on... I did. We got it. We gonna take over. If you love your lady, right? Your lady love you, it's nothing really to hide, right? It's kind of like nothing really to hide.

You don't need to make up a story. No. You don't need to add on to the story. All you need to do is tell that story. Right. A show like that, I would do that. Because that's real. It's not like I got to find drama

or protect myself with some bullshit. Like, that's real life. Right. Like me, I hang out with other married couples. Nah, they boring. Who, other married couples? Yeah, they boring.

Nah, really? They just want to play Uno. Who plays Uno? Who do you hang out with? No, you got to find married couples. Who are you hanging out with, though? No, it's just stress. My wife co-worked with friends.

I don't want no married friends. You don't have to, though. You're going to Disney World all the time. I cut this shit. We don't even want to go on vacation with married couples. No, I got good married couples. Let me just say something. And I enjoy that shit.

Like, I personally enjoy no drama. That works. That's right. You know what I'm saying? I hope so. I personally, like, but, you know, people, you know, who's dated, I don't like to hang with whores anymore. Like, my whore friends, like, you know, my friends that want to fuck everything.

Like, guy, I'm sorry, man. Relax. You need to calm my day. Calm my day. And I don't want to be around you. Like, you're kind of embarrassing. Like, you're doing the same shit we did when we was 16. You had to outgrow that kid.

In all honesty, That is for boys though I got trust issues I can't be running around With random bitches Growing up in Southern Red We gotta grow up man That's for youngins man You like

Fresh out of school Once you hit that fourth floor You better make a decision Yeah once you hit fourth You still getting lap dances You out of line Yeah you out of line You out of line

You kind of failed I said You kind of failed There's a whole day You supposed to throw the money Not let him touch you Like at this point like Yeah, you out of line. You out of line. You kind of failed. I said, I just need to be fucking. You supposed to throw the money, not let him touch you. Like, at this point, like, and that's a fact.

Movie trap, I be looking at him, come on, girl, come on. Don't I look like I do not want this? Yo. Stay over there. Let me stay over there.

Let me make a rainbow here. And by the way, I'm not even trying to front for y'all. I bring my son for that. Yeah, for real. I bring my son for that. I give the money,

dance on him. You bring your son? Yeah, yeah. He look like he gonna get it in. Yeah, for real. I bring my son for that. I give the money. Dance on him. You bring your son? Yeah, yeah. He look like he going to get it in. Yeah, he 22. Oh, yeah. He 22. He 22.

He deserve it. He deserve it. Or I bring a chick to strip club. Dance on her. Oh, yeah? You on that type of shit? Dance on her. That's fine.

Okay. White Fee not going for that. Yeah. That's what happens. But she might come on Some cool shit though No White Fee will go to the spot But get a lap there She like you wilding

You bugging Now The no drama Is drama at the grave We don't like that Now I ain't getting Dinner tonight I'm on the side

No no no But look I'll be honest We don't like Both stay to the side None of us get dances We just throw the money That's it

That's it That That's it. That's cool. Yeah. That's nice evolution. Yeah, yeah. I ain't with that other shit. That's your help and kick it up. Hey, girl, you missed over here.

Yeah, get that. Get that. Like, we paid a couple college tuition. That's a fact. It's December. We out, man. You know what I'm saying? December.

What's up? Where we going? We ain't going nowhere. No, no, no. EFN don't go. He don't go on vacation. EFN go on the other side of Florida. Yeah. But we gone. We ain't going nowhere. He ain't going nowhere. He don't go on vacation. He ain't been going on the other side of Florida.

Yeah. True. That's true. He goes on the other side. He's not lying. He's not lying. This nigga got way too much money to say he's going

on the other side of Florida. I got two little kids on his name. Oh, I just said too many. No, no. Take them out, man. Come on. Listen, he's the only person

that I know that vacation on the other side of the state. That's it. He comes right back. I go on the same coast, man. Come on. Listen, he's the only person that I know that vacation on the other side of the state. That's it. He comes right back. I go on the same coast, too. You been to Destin? No. But you been to Maui, though.

Yeah, Florida. No, no, no. What the fuck am I doing in Destin? It's the beach. They say it's the clearest water in Florida. No, no. I did hear about that. Yeah.

Yeah. Sound good. I'm doing Fifi Islands again this year, man. Fifi Islands? That's going to go on. I'll tell you what. In Egypt? Why not? Jesus. Or. Or. Yeah. Sound good. I'm doing Fifi Islands again this year. Fifi Islands? Yeah. That's a lot. I'll tell you why. In Egypt? Jesus. Or. Or. Either. You know what I mean? Depends on. That's in Egypt you said?

No, no. It's in Thailand and Egypt. I heard they banned weed in Thailand now. No they didn't. Not for me. We good. You gotta be careful in Thailand. We don't. We good. They make weed pizza. We good. They hit Thailand be careful in Thailand. No, they got to. We good. They make deep pizza. We good.

They hit Thailand and be fucking people up. You know, I was in Thailand for like a month and a half, almost like two months. Living out there. I toured Thailand twice and stayed out there. It's dope out there. It's super dope. We good. You don't even go nowhere.

Why are you worried? You really? You serious? You ain't traveling with that guy? You ain't been to some of the places I've been. I guarantee you. No, no, no. Listen, by the way, he does, he prefers to stay in Florida.

But working here. Just tell me some spots, as you said. Yeah, I've been to Columbia. Hey. I've been to Cuba, Columbia, Peru. I did that. Vietnam. And searching for hip hop too.

I'm about to go to Peru. I'm about to go to Peru. Weed is legal in Peru too. I'm not talking about. I'm just. I'm just telling you. I'm talking about the spots I go to in the country. The reason why. Weed is legal in Peru. It's a little iller. He goes there searching talking about the spots I go to in the country.

He goes there searching for hip-hop. So he goes to the hood. I don't search for hip-hop. I'm with the cats out there and they take us. Look at you. You ain't no tourist. Let me tell you something. When I go overseas, last thing I'm searching for, hip-hop. I am not.

I'm not mad at that. You should. Hip-hop can save itself. I'm not mad at that You shouldn't I am not Like hip hop can save itself You know what I'm saying I'm on a hammock As you should be As you should be I had the chef for you too Out there man

Santorini man I hit you Told you You ain't hit me back Oh damn man He the king of the crib I forgot You know what I'm saying

Graf you gotta fuck with us Me and son We cooking up a show I'm with it Hold on Hold on I can on, hold on. I can't. We got to not recognize this person.

Slim Thug is a vacationer, too. Yo, Slim Thug, man. And you know why Slim Thug got us beat a little bit? He's single. Is he? He might be having a little bit more fun than us. That's being honest. No, but you can have fun with your legs, though. You can have fun a little bit more fun than us Nah but you can have fun with your lady

You can have fun That single like He with 8 of them like damn He with 8 of them You with 2 man You with 8 of them You can have fun with your lady You know

Like single nigga A little bit more That's hilarious It's a little bit more I like to fuck With other cultures And learn it And get into it

I love that I trap all the time too You can have fun With your lady I did Thailand Two months I went all over the world But I want to do

What the locals is doing We got to eat that I don't want to go Nowhere fancy Eat some guayapasca What's your favorite spot What's your favorite spot Guayapasca Favorite What's your favorite spot What What's your favorite spot? Guayapasca.

What's your favorite spot? What's your favorite spot? I don't even have a favorite. I like Japan a lot. I went to fucking, not even just the major city. I went to Okinawa and seen them. Okinawa, that's my spot.

That's where Mr. Miyagi from. Yeah. That's where the military base is. I went out there when I was in Atlanta. I was like, oh shit. I was number one in Okinawa. That's fire.

Yeah. That's fire. Yeah, I was number one in Okinawa. That's fire. Yeah, I was number one in Okinawa. Thailand was crazy. I've been all over Europe. I've been a bunch of places, but I always loved it. What's your favorite though? I don't know if I have

a favorite, but I just love talking so much. Have you been to Dusseldorf? Nah. Dusseldorf? Where's it at? Dusseldorf?

It's in Germany. I always... It's bigger than Dusseldorf too. It's bigger than Dusseldorf. That's my's my shit I was number one In weird places bro Like weird places But nah Niggas fuck with N-O-O

Niggas know So you don't have a favorite I don't think so man Do I have a favorite spot A favorite I don't know I just I be indulging

In culture so much I don't think I like Nothing more than N-O-O I just enjoy all the experiences. All of it. Yeah, I love it. So your favorite is all. Yeah, I love traveling and shit.

What's your favorite? Oh, shit, I just got my favorite, St. Lucia. St. Lucia. It was Aruba forever, but now St. Lucia. I ain't had that much fun in Aruba. I liked Aruba, but it was in the home office. I didn't like Aruba. You don't know my peoples, man.

I ain't know nobody. You're correct. I ain't doing nothing in a sort of box, man. Yeah, you're right. That's a big fact. Yeah, I didn't like Aruba so much that when I see my peoples, man. Yeah, see, I ain't know nobody. You're correct. I ain't doing nothing in a sorted box, man. Yeah, you're right. That's a big fact. Yeah, I didn't like Aruba so much that when I see my homie in Aruba, I was like, you ain't having no fun. He texts me back like, word up, I'm not.

Nah, I know. Turks can't go to a pizza. That's my shit. I like Turks. I ain't gonna hold you. Turks is dope. Yeah, but St. Lucia just took it from me, man. What's your favorite?

I mean, Haiti was one of the funnest times in Haiti. Haiti? Haiti was one of the funnest times I ever had in my life. Yo, what's my man name who running over there? What, Chicken? What's the homie there? Oh, yeah. What's his name?

Right now. That's just wild right now. Yeah, he got a funky name. He got a funky, the warlord. The gang leader. Barbecue. That was his name. You went over there with barbecue?

I mean, I went into the spot. I don't know. I didn't eat barbecue, but I went to the spot. I never been to Haiti. I didn't do it. It was dope, though. It was dope. I hate the show.

We all take our hats off. Yo, oh, yeah. Oh, you got the show. Oh, yeah. Now, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Yo. You got to shut it down. Yo, hold on yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Take your attention to us, man. Come on. He came with a brush. Yeah. He came with a brush.

He came with a belt. He came with a brush. Niggas gave him the pool water test. They made him get in the pool with his shit. I seen everything. I was waiting to see him, though, because I wanted to know. You look great. He got his money up, so I could, I mean, he could afford it now.

I just got one question. What's that question, Lee? Did he go to LeBron? The LeBron doctor didn't work. He gave him a trial. Who else? What's the reggaeton artist? Osuna?

Who is that? You see, his shit just came off with the show. Yeah, he took me home. Yo, his shit. I was like, damn, that look painful. Yeah, that shit's painful. I don't have to get that one. I don't know how to get that off. You know what I'm saying?

This is natural, man. It's just waterproof. Yo, but chill. Yo, chill. I can take the joke. Yo, chill. I can take the joke. He can wear it in the shower.

He can wear it in the shower. I can take the joke. Listen, listen, listen. I must do this real. I'm cool. Listen, how the fuck you get your shit back? I didn't get it back. You know what?

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I never get his shit back. I never get my shit back. I'm like nah I'm cool God took it away For a reason I can't get my shit back Yo Holy shit

Yo what's up How did you get That's a serious question You want to check me out No Cause he said He said the truth He said the truth

He said he blown off like Yeah You can run through my shit. By the way, that was the funniest shit. By the way, people on Twitter is the meanest people

in the world. You know how the scum that footage? Niggas like, you next. I'm dying. Listen. It shit is fake.

Listen. It's got to be fake. First of all, I'm Puerto Rican. I don't know if you know that. So what? Yeah. You was born for 30 years, nigga. Fuck.

It's because... I love the jokes. I don't even want to correct some of these shit. When I see you get in the pool with your shit, nigga, it's like, nah, my shit real. My shit can get whack. You went under the king. I'm like, yo, shit. I got that shit.

I got that shit. I got that shit. I got that shit. I got that shit. I got that shit. I got just like, I see you get in the pool with your shit. Niggas like, nah, my shit real. My shit can get wet. And you went under the table. I'm like, yo, shit. I got that cold, don't worry. Where you getting shit from? I'll tell you the truth.

I was already in the pool. And my family was like, yo, just get it wet so everyone knows. They don't even believe me. They're like, we don't see you again. We don't see you again. So I played into the joke. I'm with the joke. I'm with the joke. So that's natural.

You just let your shit go back. I got the Mr. Jefferson. I let it go back. Shit back. I noticed neither of y'all took your hat off. I took my hat off. Come on, man. You know I got the force.

My shit been out there. It ain't coming it. Let's go. Let's go. My shit. You know I got the force. My shit. My shit. It ain't coming back unless LeBron plug me. Unless LeBron plug me. That's a double autocrat. Unless you give me the plug, Jadakiss give me the plug, or LeBron give me the plug. But Jadakiss need a better shit, bro. Jadakiss is boxed in. This is hilarious.

This shit is hilarious. Jadakiss is there. Yo, yo, I'm so young. Jadakiss is boxed in. Oh shit. You're not just the president. Yo, chill. Oh shit, That's hilarious man

By the way I needed to get that out I needed that Cause people been coming at me Alright now take it off though For real Let's go Start the show Oh my god

That was crazy man Yo Grav we fucked up So Let's get into these records Yes sir Diego you sent it to me right? Yeah, yeah. So, let's get into these records. Diego, you sent it to me, right? Send it to me again? That was hilarious.

Oh, man, that's hilarious. Send it to me again. Before we get into the records. Okay. The importance of Griselda and their movement. How did that, like, when did you get involved with them how important was that to to resurfacing what you was doing already i met them on some real nigga shit just in the business man and we just clicked they just they they just like us there's some street guys that

um made it but um right but they they they showed me how you could just rap be lyrical and make this shit that I make all the time and be successful financially with it. Yeah, make money. I didn't see the money aspect of it until I really seen

how they were structuring their business. I'm like, oh, I get it now. You know what I'm saying? So, getting with them niggas was like a blessing.

They were real niggas. They just fell in line. It wasn't like a effort. We just got cool. We just friends for real. You know what I'm saying? Right. So,

Were you friends before it really started popping off? With Benny, yeah. I got cool with Con. We just friends for real. You know what I'm saying? Right. So, Were you friends before it really started popping off? With Benny, yeah. I got cool with Conway and Westside because they was first and me and Benny got cool before he even blew up.

Westside is like the RZA, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he's like, he orchestrates the whole But he raps too though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, facts.

But he orchestrated the whole shit. Right. Like the brainchild. You know what I'm saying? So, then I went on, I did a project with Benny To stop calling our content

I went on one domestic tour Around this country And then we did one We did a European tour Right She was great Them niggas Them niggas really

Get into it nigga Every show was sold the fuck out Yeah On the fucking stage To the back door Merch is selling Even the project I did with them All the merch sold out

Everything sold I'm like this is fucking wonderful Like this is hip hop, nigga. Some of these songs don't even have no fucking hooks, nigga. It's just bars. And it's going. Niggas singing the words. I'm like, I'm in London.

Niggas singing all the words. I'm like, this is fucking great. This is how you radio, niggas. This is great. This is fine. I don't remember. I'm not used to that feeling. You know what I'm saying?

So when I see niggas singing the words back, I'm like, oh, this is great. This is what the fuck I signed up for. That's like the essence of hip hop before hip hop was popping on radio. But when you grind as long as I have, it's like sometimes

you don't get the recognition or the niggas know your records well enough for the whole crowd to be singing your shit. You know what I mean? Take a shot. So yeah. That's a fact.

Take a shot. He's not taking no shots, but let's be real. He's taking no shots. He moonwalked out of that. I ain't mad at you. Take a swig. He's taking a sip., but let's be real. He ain't taking no shots. He moonwalked out of that. I ain't mad at you. Take a swig. He taking a sip.

You know, one of my greatest favorites, not, well, it's one of them, was me hanging out with Benny,

putting him on the caviar. I was like, yo, man, you got to start eating caviar. Yeah, put him on the caviar.

And then I'm asking him because, you know, X, before X, went to Atlanta to film the video with them and then went to New York and then after

that X passed away with Benny and I'm like you ever met DMX they did a record together like you ever met DMX and he was like no and I called DMX and DMX pulls right up that's fire and I don like no and I called DMX and DMX pulls right up that's fire

and I don't know if I told Benny that DMX is coming or if I just like surprised him I forget which one I did but like seeing them connect

and I was just knowing like I know that they had already been in contact but physically like me having to do that I was just like that shit was like it put hair on my chest

you know what I'm saying that's fire it's all on film it's all on film I it put hair on my chest. You know what I'm saying? That's why. It's all on film. It's all on film. I love that. It's all on film. You know what I mean? Benny a real one.

I know, of course, I know Benny. I never met the rest of them. Me and Benny was in Vegas one time, man. Word.

You know Benny was locked up with Emery, right? I know. Yeah, that's how you know something. Word. Edgar called me. He was in Vegas and we was in Dre's and shit.

And he like, yo, I'm going to pull up to Dre's and shit. No, people first time in Vegas fucked your head up. Right. Because they did it to me. You go to Vegas, you buy bottles in New York, Miami. Only Mr. Jones got Vegas prices. Right.

That's one of the only clubs out here on the beach that got Vegas prices. Oh, really? It's definitely Vegas. Nah, nah. Certain clubs you go in there, shit is reasonable. But Vegas, nothing is fucking reasonable.

If you go to Vegas, you got to bring that bag. So we was in the club and shit. We had aces and shit in the section. So Benny was like, nah, wifey don't drink champagne. Like, I'm going to order her some other shit.

So I'm like, all right, here go the baby. That's Benny telling you that? Okay. So he looked at the shit. He looked at me saying, this is real? champagne like I'm gonna order her some other shit so I'm like I go to me tell me okay so he looked at the shade he looked at me saying this is real yes another monster my nigga but I got the major plug what you need you know I mean that he was like yo I need the plugs this shit retarded yeah they got a bottle of douches a thousand000 in the club in Vegas. Wow.

$1,000. A bottle of Ace of Spades, $2,500. With tip, three bands. So, it's a different world. You go to Vegas,

you got to really go to play. Yeah, that's a fact. Go play. You ain't going to have no real fun if you don't play. Hell no. My first time in Vegas, I went with some investors.

These white dudes that was trying to invest in me when I first went independent. And they blew the crazy bag on me in Vegas. We stayed in fucking Denzel's house. Fucking every club.

I performed in a Playboy mansion. All this wild shit. They went crazy. Vegas is another level, bro. They sniffed their brains out. Everything. You want a bumper cake? No, sir, I don't.

I'm going to take it any time. Straight as you can. Word. But I was hot as shit though I had a blast in Vegas What? Man, no, Vegas That shit spoiled me

Because my first experience in Vegas Them niggas blew like 30 vans In like two days And that shit was crazy New York, Vegas, and Miami My favorite cities in America, man Oh, New York, Vegas You still like Vegas like that though?

I feel like I don't love Vegas I like it now I'm a retired Vegas man Oh yeah, we here In Vegas I got a homie that lives out there They love it out there I don't love Vegas no more Because I don't yeah In Vegas I got a homie that lives out there They love it out there

I don't love Vegas no more Because I don't want to Maybe I don't want to turn up no more Maybe that's why You know See No there's a channel You can live in Vegas

It's a world off the strip Yeah you can live in Vegas That's peaceful my G I just need to turn up That's why I'm off that I show you Vegas bro The strip is like South Beach

To the rest of Miami That's the way you gotta look at it So I gotta see that shit Yeah What I see I'm off that That's where I'm gonna go Once baby girl out of school It's over That's real shit That's the way you got to look at it. I got to see that shit. Yeah, what I've seen, I'm off that. That's where I'm going to go. Once baby girl out of school,

it's over. That's real shit. That's real. And your money goes long with it, for sure. You know what, too, I want to say? My first time eating caviar,

I was actually with Benny and motherfucking... Oh, I put him on. He put you on. Caviar is trash. Come on, you got to relax. I wasn't mad at him. He got to relax.

I wasn't mad at him. I know you. Like, come on. You got to relax. Caviar is trash. I fuck with escargot. Yeah, I had you. I know you. Like, come on. You got to relax. I wasn't mad at you. Caviar is trash. I fuck with escargot. Yeah, I had that. For our friends.

Fish eggs is trash. No. Do you fuck with escargot, too? Don't mess with no cargo. He's like, fuck an insect. All right, how about this? Let me ask you this. I wasn't mad at you.

I ain't going to hold you. This might sound disappointing if you're going to say no. What? How about Rockefeller Oyster? I don't fuck with oysters, neither. Nah, I like oysters. You got to take your card. Nah, yeah, nah.

You got to take your card. Nah, man. I like oysters, too. You don't like oysters? Y'all niggas are freaky niggas. That's that shit Kendrick was talking about. Hey, that's just a nut. That's that shit Kendrick was talking about.

He's a fan. He like oysters and a shirt and a slut. That's a freaky ass nigga That's hilarious You ain't gotta be freaky To eat oysters By the way they cooked They cooked the ones Finishing them

Let's get it together bro Nah man Fuck that Fish eggs Oysters Nah I don't fuck shabby at all.

The far as I go, it's sushi and what's the other shit they give you? The sashimi. Sashimi. That's it. That's my shit.

Sashimi. That's where it stops. I don't really fuck with sushi like that. See, I do. That's where it stops though. You eat oysters and not sashimi?

That's what I'm saying. No, I said sashimi. I fuck with sashimi. I said I don't fuck with sushi. But it's the same. I said I don't fuck with sushi. But it's the same. The way you eat. I feel like that right.

Chase has been there since. Oh, I get it. I'm going to get you all queen niggas right now. Yeah, like I said to a bumblebee. Yeah, I never had good sushi rice. What about the pieces without the rice? You don't fuck with that. That's what I'm saying.

That's sashimi. That's sashimi. You got to get these niggas. The way you eat oysters is a major pause. We're going to have Cam and Mase pull up right now. I never liked oysters, bro. If y'all say it right now, Cam and Mase

pulling up. Y'all sucking the shit out of those oysters. Y'all losing it with the four-way. He was scooped out. He wanted to say Cam and Mase shoot. He wanted to say I know we're all over the place, but you know what else is a super pause? It's a super pause. Telling your massage lady what you want.

It's a lady. It's a lady though, yeah. Yeah, it was wrong. Think about what you said say to your massage lady. What? You tell me what you say to your massage lady. You tell me. Tell me what you...

Go hard? Just think about it. Think about what you say to your massage lady. What are you talking about? Think about what you say to your massage lady. It's a pause. Hard, Jim.

But it's a lady. It's still a pause. Okay, Jim. Just think about it. I get it. There's not one thing about when you... What do you want?

Just think about what you say. You can't even finish it. I was about to say it What are you going to say? Say it bro You say it What do you say? When you get in my car And they say what do you want?

What do you say? I say I want to relax That's true But they ask you where Like you know Yeah right On my shoulders What are you saying?

What are you saying? What are you saying? On my shoulders On my shoulders Slow back What do you mean saying? What are you saying? What are you saying? I'm a stressor. I'm a stressor. It's lower back. What are you saying? Just think about it.

You tell him, I can't hang a bean bomb. That's it. What are you saying? You can't even say lower back to a woman. I quit. I quit the pause game, guys.

We can't say lower back to a woman. I quit. Well, you know, he's not saying lower back to a woman. I quit. Well, you know he's not saying lower back. Yeah. He's like, above my butt. Yeah, get the upper cheek. Get both chestnuts.

Ain't like above the stress nuts? Above the stress nuts. I love it. I love it. I can take it all. He like, just front up the hair. Yeah, chill. Just front up the hair.

You know what's funny? You know what's funny? I swear to God, my massage lady was massaging me the other day, and she like avoided my hair. I was like, wait a minute, motherfucker. She thought that shit was going to come off. I'm good. She didn't believe you. She was like, wait a minute, motherfucker. She thought that shit was going to come off. I'm good. She didn't believe you.

She was like, no, no, no. You know, you got other clients that you can't touch the hair. That's hilarious. But you do got LeBron. So listen, you just choked to the side and I just figured some shit out. You got your shit back.

LeBron had to give you the plug. Did Boosie give you the doctor? I mean, the barber? LeBron's shit got fucked up. No, Boosie gave you the barber because to give you the plug Did Boosie give you the doctor? I mean the barber LeBron's shit got fucked up Nah Boosie gave you the barber Cause your face Look at little Boosie I can let my shit grow bro

He on some bullshit though He pulled the shit off Still got the straight line They give us some shit Flexing That's all the flexing I can copy Hov right now I think you should do it right now

I can copy Hov right now I don't think you can go that far Yeah I can You don't think I could do brains? Nah, nah. That's going to be a wing. That's great. He's definitely getting the Jimbo wing, by the way.

And I'm going to get a half moon. First, I'm going to get a half moon for two months. Yo, listen. That'll work. I just want y'all to know this shit is real. Only Hov and J. Cole could do the Jesus look. Yeah, yeah. I can't do that.

I was playing around. I was going to do the Jesus look. Yeah, I can't do that. I was playing around. I was going to do the twist. I was going to do the twist a little bit. Hov and J. Cole went all the way. They ain't fucking around. That's a fact.

Them niggas enlightened. They got the glow. They didn't let it grow. Nah, that shit is locked up. That shit locked and loaded. Speaking about J. Cole and all that, but Drake was

one of the people that publicly kind of like showed you super love. Yeah, Drake was one of the people that publicly, like, kind of, like, showed you super love. Yeah, he did. Shout out to that boy. I heard you say somewhere that everyone kind of

shows you love, it's just not publicly. Yeah, that's a fact. Drake was the first person, like, of a, like, an A-list type of nigga that went in an interview and said,

I think Sun is amazing. Like, I rapped on, um... Best A-list ever had? Nah, successful. I A-list shit out. Successful rapped on, um... Best day you ever had? Nah, successful. I ate his shit out. And he, um, he called me and was like, yeah, that was amazing. But then he said that in an interview, too. He said it like that? That was amazing.

He called me and was like, yo, I just called you to say that was incredible. That was dope. I was like, that's what's up. Good looking. That's it. And then he said in an interview, like, nah, Grav is dope. I seen him freestyle. I'm successful. And he bite at that shit. I called him and told him that shit was amazing. And I was like, I appreciated that. Because most niggas that say, like, they'll be like, I think you dope. I seen him freestyle on Successful and he bought it. That shit, I called him and told him that shit was amazing. And I was like, I appreciated that because most niggas that say,

like, they'll be like, I think you dope. They'll say it to you in private. Yeah, in the public, they will be like, like it never happened.

Which is fine too, but it's like, I don't think it's dick riding showing a nigga love. It's just, we real niggas. Right, right. If you like it,

you like it. If I like something, I'll be like, yo, you dig me? That means it was genuine when he hit you up. I give,

I show niggas love any chance I get. If I don't, I mean, I just forgot because the light's on you and you can'tiggas love Any chance I get If I don't I mean I just forgot Cause the lights on you And you can't remember anything Any chance I get

I show a nigga love If it's real You know what I'm saying So I appreciated that When Drake said that I'm like that's some Real nigga shit Cause a lot of times

A nigga do that in private In public come on Like even like Like when I did I don't wanna do that Come on man Let's do it Nah nah nah

Everybody don't show love Is what I'm saying But when niggas do I appreciate it You know what I'm saying So what happened Who ain't show love A lot of niggas But I don't want love i'm saying but there's some what do i appreciate it you know what i'm saying so what happened who ain't show love a lot of but i don't know you know but they might show it now so that's why i don't want to even rock the boat like no no no no no i ain't gonna do that some is showing up now you said that you and map had a record

and you did somebody on that record and i'll take that off camera too that's the person that show that i'm working with now oh So that business wouldn't have happened. So it's like, that's why now at this level of my career, it's about touring and networking and branching out and doing bigger things. I am not dissing niggas. You don't want to burn bridges, right? Hell no, I've burned enough. I'm good.

I'm good. Where the bag at, nigga? This is business. This is work. Nine to five, nigga. I'm not dissing. I got to not fuck with you at this point. The young me would just diss you

because you rhyme with something and you just fit in the scheme. Nigga, that's your ass. Sorry. But now it's like it's more business. I might write something crazy. Like I got one record.

I said something inappropriate about somebody that I'm working with now and it's a dope ass line. I was like, no, I'm taking that out because it ain't worth it. It's like,

I'm not fucking up the bag for this. Like, what the fuck is the purpose? Now I want all the money. Like, give me everything I missed and plus some more. You know what I'm saying? So now, fuck all that. So I try to just think bigger and just be more mature about shit. Plus, it don't make no sense. Niggas don't remember what you said. They remember how you made them

feel. So, why even fuck around? You know what I'm saying? That's some real shit. Yeah, it's true. With the success you have right now, I know I'll give you a lot of hypothetical questions, but had Chaz been alive, with the success you have right now, I know I'll give you a lot of hypothetical questions, but had Chaz been alive, with the success you have right now, because we know that at one point you guys did separate, right? Right.

And you went your own way, he went his own way, you know, for whatever reasons. With the success you have now, if Chaz would have been alive, would you have went back and came and got him? I'm going to break it all the way down. I'm glad you asked me that because I never even thought about that. When Chaz passed, right, I'm so much like him. We both like stubborn in little ways

where we didn't speak on some personal shit and squash heady bullshit that niggas thought was a real issue. There's some niggas in my neighborhood that be like, oh, Crabbe and Chaz had beef. Nick, how you got beef with Chaz and you not, you still alive? Like, there's some niggas in my neighborhood that be like, oh, Crab and Chaz had beef. Nick, how you got beef with Chaz and you not,

and you not, you still alive? Like, nigga, no. He like, he was more like a tough love, dad kind of person.

Like, are you leaving home? Good, do it on your own. And we just so stubborn with certain shit that we just never squashed little differences.

Music shit, not personal shit because when I had like beef in the street on some real shit, he got involved and made sure this shit was leveled out and it didn't go the way it was about to go. So he still was doing the big homie shit. We wasn't talking like the father and son combos I used to have because we was being petty. I was being like a kid with it and just not being mature.

Like Perfect is in. One time, Judo was on the phone with both of us. I'm on one side and Chad's on the other line. Judo want to merge the calls so we could talk about dumb shit. I, perfect as in, one time, Judo was on the phone with both of us. I'm on one side and Chad's on the other line. Judo want to merge the calls so we can talk about dumb shit. I'm like, nah, I'm good. Chad's like, nah, I'm good.

He like, y'all niggas being silly. Just get on the phone with each other. Just silly shit. Like, because we was more like dad and son than manager and artist.

So I'm just like, feeling, and it's all petty stuff. Nothing like major, like little shit, like the G unit story or like little other, something I might've said in an interview.

Little shit. Really little, minor shit that we would have fucking got through in 20 seconds and been on to this regular life shit. Because there's so much situations I was in, I'm like, damn, what would Chaz do right now? Or, damn, I wish I could just call him and just get his advice on something. If he was alive now, I'd have been fixed at. Because when he died,

when he passed away, I was in Paris. And I had to leave that trip early and come back for the funeral. And I had to, I left my ex out there and all that. She was like, you're leaving me alone in Paris? Yeah, bitch, I gotta go. Bye. And I had to go. I wasn't going to miss the funeral. I had to pay that respect. You know what I'm saying? So

that shit hurt me that he passed away without me expressing, like I never told him I loved him before. I never told him. We never, because I never learned that kind of shit without me expressing like I never told him I loved him before I never told him we never cause I never learned that kind of shit me and my dad never spoke wait so you found out

he passed away and then the funeral was immediately I found that he passed away and then I found out the funeral was happening the week I was in Paris

okay wow when I was getting on the plane like I was about to leave and they was like yo you know the funeral I'm like are you serious I'm at the airport nigga I'm about to go to Paris

so I had to cut that trip short and fly back for that cause I wasn't gonna miss that at all you know what I'm saying so I was like fuck Paris but serious? I'm at the airport, nigga. I'm about to go to Paris. So I had to cut that trip short and fly back for that because I wasn't going to miss that at all. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, fuck Paris. But I was doing shit out there, but I just cut it short and came back. But I never learned how to express love and shit like that.

Me and my dad, when he was trying to say, I love you, he didn't say, I love you. He would say, did you see the game last night? And then we'd talk about the game. But I know what it meant when he said the game. That's him showing love. But he never said, I love you. He just said, did you see the game? So I'm making sure I watch the game so we can talk about it because that I know what it meant when he said the game that's him showing love but he never said I love you he just said did you see the game

so I'm making sure I watch the game so we can talk about it because that's how we express shit like just in weird dysfunctional ways but I know what you're

trying to say and I'm trying to say it back so I ain't learned like regular functional self-expression shit like that so me and Chaz

didn't really say these things you know what I mean I didn't really learn how to express emotion in a positive way like that so when he passed that really fucked me up because i'm like damn he died with all this that i got to say to him it's not just saying in songs or say the interviews now you know what

i'm saying so um to answer your question if he was alive now hell yeah he'd be happy he'd be proud as he would be right here like he would he probably he'd probably be here literally right here yeah like facts like he would have been here like yeah like As a matter of fact, when I was going to go make the Rockefeller chain, I was going to make a Black Hand piece too and have both of them shits. Bird to mother. Because I just, him gone is like I'm missing a part of me. Like, damn. That's whack.

The Black Hand logos like that, right? Yeah. I'm going to make that with the Rockefeller piece and put them both on. That's what we doing. Was the Black Hand label revolving around you originally or was there other artists before you? 50 was with Chaz before me. As Black Hand?

Yeah, well, the Black, yeah. Management, though. Management, management. Did he have that brand already? Well, Black Hand, it was a crew that started in the federal prison system way before I was born. I was in the 70s. So that's why that shit is probably equivalent to whatever Black Mafia we know in America. You know what I'm saying? Chaz is different. prison system way before I was born. I was in the 70s. So that's why that shit is probably equivalent to whatever black mafia

we know in America. Y'all got to research Chaz Williams if y'all don't know he a different level of gangster. And there's documentaries about him. Compared to what y'all say is gangster. It's another level. Are you a gangster, Graf? No, I can't compare myself to shit like that. So I'm like, nah, I'm just

a street nigga. He's like another level of him and all his associates. It's a another level of, him and all his associates, it's a different level of street that niggas write movies about. Literally, Denzel was going to play Chaz in a movie. Like, remember that American Gangster? Yeah.

He did Frank Lucas. That's Chaz Circle. Frank Lucas, Nicky Barnes, all of them. All of them, that's Chaz Circle. Really?

Word to mother. Like, they was going to do Chaz. They could have chose Chaz movie over that one. As a matter of fact, Chaz story probably iller than Frank Lucas story. Wow. Word to mother. Denzel would have played Chaz's movie over that one. As a matter of fact, Chaz's story is probably other than Frank Lucas' story. Chaz just never told.

Nope. Hell no. I felt like they minimized Chaz's gangsterism, so to say, to Robin. Was it Banks? Well, not really minimized. The nigga robbed over 60 Banks in under 60 seconds.

But he broke out of jail. In under 60 seconds, you said? Each one. Each one. Not six, not. He robbed each one. I'm like, God damn, he's a superhero. Nah, he ain't a superhero.

Chaz broke out of jail three times. Yeah. Yep. He is a superhero. My nigga, that's what I'm trying to say. He broke out of jail three times, did all type of shit in the street, robbed over 60 banks, each one under 60 seconds. And his story is fucking nuts.

Right. So niggas wanted to do his life story, but he was so meticulous about how he wanted to do it. I don't think he told Denzel, no. I think he was just probably too hands-on with it. Maybe they wanted to just

buy his life rights and be like, buy. And he was like, nah. He's going to tell the story this way. But Mad Niggas wanted to play. I think Don Cheadle wanted to play Chaz. Yeah, that would be, yeah. Big Boy from OutKast was trying to do it. Mad Niggas was trying to play going to tell the story this way. But Mad Niggas wanted to play. I think Don Cheadle wanted to play Chaz. Big Boy from OutKast was trying to do it.

Mad Niggas was trying to play Chaz because his story's crazy. I mean, they can still do it. Yeah. Oh, that's a fact. Who owns the estate? Either his family, they have to highlight his family, or I can tell the story because he a part of my life too. But different niggas came to me to tell my story because it includes his story too. But his real, real story, probably had to go

to his kids, I would think, or his wife or, you know, something like that. But his story is crazy. Yeah, his story is crazy.

But to say the least, yeah, if he was here right now, he'd be very excited, supportive, and he would have been right here in his motherfucker talking about all kinds of shit.

Like, remember, he from the old school. So in the beginning, when we was going to London and going all around the world, he wasn't getting on the microphone and talking. Once he started remember, he from the old school. So in the beginning, when we was going to London and going all around the world, he wasn't getting on a microphone and talking.

Once he started talking, he fell in love with this shit and started, he became his own celebrity. Everybody wanted to talk to Chaz. Let's take a shot for Chaz. Word. Word to mother.

Let's do that. Indeed. Chaz. Take a shot for Chaz. You got a shot finally? That's right. Oh, that's straight cranberry. I don't know you.

It's crazy, because when I met you, I met him. Same time? Yeah, yeah, same time. Was that in New York or out here? I believe it was in New York. I believe it was in New York.

And it was something having to do with DJ's meeting, like a meeting. Okay. But he was super like, he was just like stoic. Chaz was that guy, man. Like, I learned a lot of what I know from Chaz. I ain't going to the front. You should have some. No.

What is it? Whiskey. Ain't that whiskey? What's that? Get some. Get going to the front. You should have some. No. What is it? Whiskey. Ain't that whiskey? What's that? Get some. Get some. No, no. I'm already smacked.

What is that? You're not smacked at all. Yes, I am. Chill. That's a lie you tell. Never lie. You know what's crazy about drink champs? Y'all niggas get these bottles popping early in the day.

I'm a whiner. Yeah. People don't know we just in the daytime. Niggas going to be hoisting by the nighttime. They're like, whoo. No, no, no. That's how you have the best sleep ever. Oh, yeah, facts.

You can go to sleep, yeah. Well, that's a drink chance? Yeah, I'm an old man. I go, this is 8 o'clock. I'm done. I get it. I'm done. I'm done.

I had to hit the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why you ain't taking no shots. My nigga done. You got to hit the road? But hold on, hold on, hold on. Graf, let me ask you something. Holy shit.

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Besides Chaz, right? Me too. I'm going to get you over there, bro. If there's anything that you could do over, maybe you necessarily fucked up. It was your fault. Or just anything you could do over. Involving your career, not your life. Your career.

What would you try to do? When I would do it over? Probably a couple things. I mean, you know, you're traveling there. You live and you learn. One thing is I would have probably made a greater effort to mend or try to mend 50 and Chaz when I feel I had a chance. I would have really tried to make that happen because I think-

You put more energy into it? Yeah, I didn't put a lot of energy into it. I think I put more energy into it when I realized, hey, this is really affecting my finances. And different niggas in the industry was like, yo, you better go holler at 50 because they were saying it as if he's stopping me. So go holler at him. But it's not that he's stopping directly, but because of what's happening, if niggas don't see y'all squash it,

they're going to keep acting with you and handling your career like a fucking, like they juggling eggs and some shit. So this shit was, it was just a mess. You know what I'm saying? So I think I would have tried to do that. That's one for sure. And I probably would have,

I would have learned the business part of the business way earlier, younger. Yeah. Like I was having too much fun with the shit, but I wasn't thinking about no fucking money for real. I wasn't focusing on touring and building relationships. I wasn't trying to even fuck with niggas real for in the beginning. It was just all us.

And we doing this, we doing us, but that don't lead collaborate niggas at the top of collaborating. Niggas down here is doing this petty shit, this and each other and all that. When you get up here, you trying to collab and network and get sponsors

and all this type of shit. Like, I wasn't thinking about that kind of shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's the fact. Yo, don't underestimate this, bro.

Don't underestimate this, man. Nah, I see what you're doing. The amount of time that is funded and shit, y'all better pay me too. Listen, man. Stress nuts, baby.

We can't control the way you stress the nuts. Yo, shit. Here we go. Head here we go live live live on drink champ stress nuts releases all types of stress please cut the check jay better get another one we get a chance no no with this just so um is there anything that is there anything that you feel like to your fans? Because one thing you have is a loyal fan base, right? Yeah, I'm grateful for that. A lot of people that was in your position,

battling it out, had a gangster label, all this shit, deteriorated and you still maintained. Your fans stuck with you still maintained. Your fans stuck with you. Yeah. Is there anything you want to tell them? Thank you.

Shit. I appreciate y'all more than y'all know. Even though I went to college or shit like that, all I knew was the streets. To be a doctor. The only thing I knew was to go to college to be a doctor. I brag about you. I brag about you. My nigga used to be a doctor.

Word up. Word up. That's some dope shit. It's crazy because a lot of people in my family and my friends became doctors and went to my school, nurses and doctors and shit. I went to Hillcrest High School. That was like for nursing and medicine and shit. A lot of them niggas became doctors and nurses. So it was just like the natural progression coming from that school. You could have been Dexter. Could have been. of niggas became doctors and nurses. So it was just like the natural progression coming from that school.

You could have been Dexter. Could have been. Kill the niggas. Yeah, word. Word up. Dexter was my nigga too. Word up. You could have been Dexter.

I ain't gonna lie. You gotta name your album Dexter. You gotta name an EP. Like, yo, I could have, he could have plugged us. Man, that's

word up. I could have been trying to close it. Go ahead. Pause. What would her life been like if you would have actually got your doctorate? I'd have been a motherfucking doctor. Doctor Gavokian.

I don't know. Nah, I'm joking. I would have been good at it. No matter what I was going to do in life, I knew I was going to be good at it. What kind of medical field you would have been in? I don't even think I made a clear decision of it at first. It was physical science, and I was trying to figure this shit out. But I was one of the people that decided whatever I'm going to do, I'm going to be good at this shit.

Right. You know, you're young. I'm like, did you know you were going to make it? Yes, nigga. I knew it. Whatever the fuck I told, I knew it. I was like, I'm not going to be number two. I don't want to be bad.

I don't want to be now. I'm going to work hard to be good at whatever I'm trying to do. But let me ask you, were you rapping before you started to study for your doctorate? Yeah, in school? Yeah. He was a hip hop. That's how the shit, that's how I knew that the shit was real. I won a talent show and that school was like... You had a partner.

Yeah, I had a rap partner. I was writing. My man Mel. You had a mouse in this? Nah, he's always shit. Nah, I had a partner. We was battle rapping and we were almost like a group. So this is a white ass school. I got rock bands and all of that. So I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, part of it. We was like battle rapping and we like almost like a group. So this is a white ass school. I got rock bands and all of that.

So I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, there's no way we're going to win this talent show. My partner like, we're going to win it. I'm telling you, we're going to win it. I was like, with hip hop here? I don't think so. And nigga, we won that shit. After that, I was like, oh no,

I really got this shit. This is real. Like we won a talent show here in front of everybody, like versus rock bands and everything at a predominantly white school. I was like nah we got this shit after that i started taking it more serious like i could do this shit for real i already know i was good i just didn't know i was gonna be like a professional with it you know what i'm saying for real buster helped

me change that keep it on and hank shockley i met hank shockley back then too and we're doing a lot of writing and shit like that wait wait wait go back so you're saying buster helped you understand that well fighting buster made you say yes i'm gonna be a professional rapper nah nah nah him him finding me and and like inviting me to the studio the fact that that happened yeah nigga i'm like i got the opportunity to do this for real like i'm in school because after you guys fight you guys are cool right after no he wasn't cool for years after that oh it was okay so that didn't really go he was with me for years after that then i saw him again somewhere and um i think a promoter it was another show and the promoter had me on a bill but i wasn't getting paid for what i'm grinding trying to get on and buster was a headliner so i'm trying to get on

he's trying to cut me out the show and i'm dolo at this time too he's like well if you want to perform go ask buster's thinking I can't do it. I'm not realizing I know Busta, but I haven't seen him since we had a fight. And I'm Dolo. I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to go ask Busta. So I didn't see him since we had the fight. So he's not really cool. But I'm like, but I want to perform so motherfucking bad.

I'm just going to ask the nigga. Fuck it. So I walked up to him. He looked at me like I was crazy. He was like, looking behind me like, you got an army with you? He mad deep. I'm Dolo. I'm like, looking behind me like, you got an army with you? He mad deep. I'm dope. I'm like, what's up, nigga?

What up? Can I go? He was like, he didn't know what to say. He was like, you're not going to hug me first? I was like, yeah, what up, nigga? We got cool right there. But he was looking at me like, this nigga is really a lost, loose, loose screw nigga.

That's how I know Busta. See what you mean? You ain't going to hug me first. Love, my brother. All right, so you said Hank Shockley is the next person that you met. Yeah, I met around the same time I met both of them. And I was doing like writing.

People don't know that's Public Enemy. That's huge. No, producer, everything. People don't know. I'm people. I ain't know who he was. That's real shit though. Let me tell you people. Hank Shockley is the shit. This is me in school. I don't know nothing about the music industry. None's real shit, though. Well, people, let me tell you, people. Hank Shockley is the shit. This is me in school.

I don't know nothing about no music industry, none of this shit. I'm just... Did you know who Hank Shockley was when you met him? Probably not.

I probably learned as I met him and figured it out because I was still learning shit. I didn't know nothing about nothing. At this time,

you know how many things I wrote for people and got jerked on because I know the motherfucking business? I wrote a rack of shit and didn't get no money. Yeah. Back then, I think I wrote on some

3LW shit. I wrote on a bunch of shit, bro. You must have been already signed to Sony at that point. Nah, this was before I signed. Way before I was in. I was writing a bunch of shit. Young. I ain't know nothing about nothing. So who was selling it? Whoever I'm with.

Who are you with? You trying to get to the point. Like, we going to sue these niggas. Nah, nah, nah. Like, somebody's selling your shit. Yeah, facts. Oh, facts. Yeah, I got ripped off by a bunch of niggas,

but I'm too young. I don't even remember half the fucking names and faces. Only one I remember... Point them out. We got them. Facts. Only record I remember for sure was the J-Lo, LL Cool J one.

Me and another writer wrote that whole shit in my studio and recorded it together. And I got way cut out of that because I just didn't know the business. You know what I'm saying? You would have leaked the track. I could have leaked it anyway.

Nigga, I had it. I recorded it in my spot. I would have leaked the check, nigga. That's what I needed. Word, I ain't get paid for. All credit. So if all them records, let's say I ain't get

no money at all, right, which I didn't, but if my name was on them, that would lead to big and great things, pub deals, all kind of shit. But just getting jerk. But if my name was on them, that would lead to big and great things, pub deals, all kind of shit. But just getting jerked out

of every motherfucking thing is, that's the business that we in though. You know how they say, what you don't know don't want to hurt you. Yes, it will, nigga.

The fuck? In this business, yes, it will. Hell yeah. And you can go back and be like. I'm going back now. I'm currently like

backtracking, trying to fix some of them things. It's hard, because if they claim the percentage of the record, then it's like... It was a hell of a litigation, which I don't got no problem doing

because I know I wrote the shit. Has anybody came to you to help you pin something that fucked you up? Yeah. If I tell you the names right now, it'll fuck you up too. You'll be like, what?

I can't though. Nah. I don't want it. Just know that it's the best and the biggest independence that you have, that we have. Nah. The best and the biggest. You just a bronze. I got to do it like that.

I can't say that. Let me ask you. If you guessed it, I'm going to still say no, nigga. No. I'm just saying, it ain't like Joe Schmo down the block. It's the A-lister. But is it a line, or is it the whole entire? Yeah, is it like literally that you're doing their

whole lyrics for 12 bars? Yes. 16 bars. It's different. It's all different. I may submit a whole record or a whole verse or a whole whatever the fuck and they might chop it up and change it. Or if you're smart, you're going to keep it how it is because I wrote it great.

What the fuck? You're going to make it better than this no just use this well or unless you have you might have a different idea or different a different approach to what i wrote and just switch it around but a lot of times they'll take it as given because i wrote it a way that even how the word patterns or the flow might connect it makes no sense to change it you know this is the thing so for ghostwriters do they make you sign ndas yeah me nah because i'm a real one you know i'm not i'm never gonna violate so i never had to sign nda i'm never gonna violate they just know based on my character i'm never gonna i'm telling don't call me he's like don't call me i'm telling i never saw one nah i'm but i think they just know character-wise.

I can assume because I could be the, but I'm just never going. It's not in my DNA to violate. Even if we fall out, it's just. That is violating and telling. But you a nigga, come on, man. You can't be out here acting like you called MC and niggas wrote your shit.

Yeah, I'm telling you. Because if I wrote nigga shit, then I see him on Flex. I'm like, yeah, nobody fucking with me. I am, nigga. What do you think? I wrote your shit. I wrote your shit. Nobody fucking with me.

I am, nigga. I'm the nuzzle solution. You feel me? It's just only right, man. Nigga, what do you mean nobody? You better say here, nigga. Yo, I'm the nubblers. You feel me? It's just only right. Like, nigga, what do you mean nobody? You better say only one nigga. That's hilarious. Almost nobody.

Yeah, what up? Yeah. Yo. Half my career, I was writing. Not just hip-hop. R&B shit, too. Like, a couple. Like, I've been a lot of shit. Oh, shit. Is it true, I was writing. Not just hip-hop. R&B shit, too. Like, a couple, like, I've been a lot of shit. Is it true you turned down B2K or something like that?

Oh, no. When I was on Sony, remember that? Remember, uh, uh, God, something I was running at the time. He had a bright idea to make me make a song with them niggas. I was like, no, nigga. Oh, like, were you on the record? Yeah, like, if I was official on their record, I would have done that. He wanted them to be on my record. I was like, no, we. Oh, like, were you on the record? Yeah, like, if I was a feature on their record, I'd have done that. He wanted them to be on my record.

I was like, no, we're not doing that. At that time, we was too tough, nigga. Think about back then, nigga. Certain shit you couldn't do back then. Yeah, it wasn't like, yeah, but you might have got some finger popping going. Yo, shit. Here you go, hit your shit, hit your shit. You know, we got stress time.

Stress time. My nigga. You know, we got to stress that. Stress that. My nigga. Stress that, yo. Child's a stress, that's the only thing. You just said you might hit your shit. Nah, at that time, I didn't care about the, remember, I didn't care about the bread at that time. I just wanted to be the best.

I wasn't about the business. I didn't have no idea about the business at that time. I was super excited to be the best. I don't think 2K would have been a fit graph. That would have hurt me at that time. I don't think B2K would have benefited Grav. That would have hurt me at that time. All this time. Definitely not. Kids bop shit.

I was like making... He's talking about bricks and killing niggas. Cisco didn't hurt DMX. Cisco was a grown ass man. And DMX kids when they was B2K. Think about it. Yeah, B2K, bro. Yeah, you're going to have to.

I ain't no old man. I was only two. Think about it. You was like R. Kelly? I didn't even know. You was like R. Kelly? Nah, nah, fuck all that shit. But think about it.

DMX did it when he was up here, nigga. He ain't do it like on the rise. I just got signed. But still, Cisco was grown as man. What these bitches want from a nigga? I was fired. I believe Cisco. Yeah, but still, Sisqo was grown as man. With these bitches, what for, my nigga? I was fired. I believe Sisqo.

Yeah. I was like, yo, that Funk the Dog song. Yeah, that was some shit. Sisqo was that nigga until he thought he was a dragon. Sisqo might shoot you.

I just seen him out. He was too early with the dragon. If he'd have been a dragon now, he'd have had a 3D effect movie out. He just was a dragon back in the time. Frank Ocean, Lil Nas X, they all owe Cisco.

Yeah. That's a fact. Yo, we owe Cisco. What do you mean? Wait, wait a minute. He's an old Cisco. We owe Cisco. I ain't got nothing to do with this.

Everybody in this room owe Cisco, my man. Come on. Now, let me rephrase it. Chicks, sisters, lovely women. They was wearing boxers. Remember, Leah had them wearing Tommy Hills. All right. Cisco made that dog came out.

Come on. Come on, man. This is a man, man. What's your respect for Cisco, man? Straight up. Victoria's Secret was created because of Cisco. Cisco. Come on, man.

Even the man that invented thongs shouldn't get as much love as Cisco did for making thongs famous. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. You know what you mean. Back in that day, you get a chick naked. She had on the same box as you had.

Yeah, word. We've been alone, son. What's the deal? Let me establish something. Let me on the same box as you had. Yeah, word. We're in a room, son. What you doing? Let me establish something. Let me say it right here, right now. Cisco deserve a national thong day. Lap dance is free. I don't know about lap dances.

I'm still married, Bling. You're going too far. For him. He doesn't stand for it. For him. Not for us. Cool, cool, cool. No, you're going too far. For him. He doesn't stand for himself. For him. Cool, cool, cool. No, no, no, listen.

National Thong Day should be called Cisco. It should. Word up. Amen. National Thong Day. Word up. Look at the cameraman,

he can't even keep it together. He can't even keep it together. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody starts to visualize Like Dolls is okay Yeah It made our life better

It made our life a lot better It made our life better Dolls and sunglasses Made niggas life a lot better It made niggas life a lot better The panty line We stopped Having to see that shit

Yeah That shit is real Good job Did you actually Answer the feature When we said Save the World? I did. I said

Beyonce and Pharrell. Niggas ain't stop me with that one. I'm coming to the door. Was there ever an opportunity that you had to do a record with somebody and you missed that opportunity? Like, Hov never told you, come to the studio.

And you was like, all right, I'll be there. I probably missed a few opportunities because I was too blind to see him or just moving crazy. But I will use this opportunity to mention that the Me, Myself, and I Beyonce record. I was on the official remix. I was on the official remix. If you're going to storm by the vinyl and look on the B side, it says, Me, Myself, and I featuring Graf. Nigga, that's amazing. And you're in the store and buy the vinyl and look on the B side it says Me, Myself, and I featuring Graf nigga

that's amazing and you're on on the vinyl yeah you buy the vinyl right now google it I'm on my name is on it

I be like yo this is Beyonce's record with my name on it nigga hood nigga Jamaica Queen Southside what up though

fuck what I missed I made that that's fire that's fire I'm sure I missed a bunch of shit man I missed you make a lot of mistakes

coming up in this shit especially when you're young and it was me and Chaz figuring it out together it's not like we we reached these heights together so we had to learn he was the

the book smart one that actually knew the business and how to approach it but this game changes every four or five months man you gotta just

no it changes drastically all the time and you learn as you go so you make some mistakes like you know one mistake I made I just remember this one This game changes every four or five months, man. You got to just... No, it changes drastically all the time. Yeah, and you learn as you go. So you make some mistakes. You know one mistake I made? I just remember this one. Remember when they made MySpace?

Mm-hmm. And I made the MySpace jump off song. I made a song called MySpace Jump Off that blew the fuck up on MySpace in no time. You said this was Tom? Tom was hosting it, nigga. Tom was like this. Tom was like this. Tom was behind that shit. that that flew so fast it blew up faster we could we could keep up with it that flew i was like oh what do we do we know how to maximize on the success

of it at one point we was like we should wait for the major labels to come and there were so many ringtone deals coming at us with good numbers but the lawyers said nah wait wait wait wait and we waited too long but i could have made a million two million three million off of that With good numbers. But the lawyer said, nah, wait, wait, wait, wait. And we waited two motherfucking long. But I could have made a million, two million, three million off of that shit. That shit flew. But it flew so fast, we didn't know what to do with it. Because we were still learning. We didn't have a viral hit.

And that shit took off. I was pushing a whole other record called Make It Hot. I was in D.C. I was at my second home. I'm part of Max Wayne. Shout out to Wayne. Pushing that record. And I made that My Space song as a fucking joke. I was at my second home on part of Max Wayne shout out to Wayne pushing that record and I made that MySpace song

as a fucking joke I made two songs on the same beat one song was like a street record that I was serious about and I made the MySpace song just fucking around

and we just leaked it and that shit took the fuck off like it blew up like my DM was full of dozens and dozens and dozens of girls saying

can I be your next jump off can I be your next jump off I was copy and pasting, yes, yes. When I was younger back then, no matter what. MySpace was the era of Black Planet. Sure you can, sure you can. Yeah, MySpace was the era of Black Planet.

That's a fact, yeah. I made that shit as a joke when it blew up. And it made money, but it could have made like real, like a million, it could have really went crazy. MySpace was the era

you could holler back and forth and nobody blew you up. Like, they ain't make you go viral. Look who in my DM, y'all. I DJ'd the first MySpace party, bro. With Tom like this. With me. That's crazy. That's how I met Tito.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, because Tito worked. I was a MySpace DJ. Tito was running that, too, as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah Tito worked, I was a MySpace DJ Tito was running that too, as well So I had my man in MySpace He hits me, I don't, he hits me and he's the biggest Nori fan

So the nigga beefing me in my hood He say some shit Got his page erased. Yeah. Get his page Tito was like, shit man That's some online mafioso shit Before we erased him, he puts all type of Benny Hill shit on his shit Tito was like, shit, wait. That's an online mafioso shit. That's fucking payday. Before we erased it, we put all type of Benny Hill shit on his shit.

Yo, bro. Dude. Benny Hill was that shit. You had to be a late night nigga for Benny Hill. Yeah, Benny Hill. Dude. I love Benny Hill. Benny Hill used to be chasing the joints, all that.

Benny Hill would never survive right now, bro. Never. Never. Oh, English, man. You don't know Vinny Hill? Vinny Hill is the foul white English. He's the foul white English. He was only fans for British people. It was like it came on like the Wild Channel, 13, Mad Static.

It came on after Sanford and Son. That's how I used to watch them. They used to come on Mad Stat again, my grand. You used to have to tune it up. Be like, oh, shit, what's this? You turning channels? You just see some boobs and candy? You like, what the fuck is this?

Turn back? You be like, I'm broke. What you doing? Turn back. Your phone was flipping on you, see? You turn that and sit off. You're like, oh, shit. We lived in that generation when we got that.

It was like OnlyFans and not OnlyFans. It was different. For a young kid walking around seeing you in the crib late night, like, what the hell is this? Yo, Benny Hill, we was like, oh, my God. And he was chasing joints. I don't know that one. I ain't going to tell you.

What's the Argentine do? A la cama con pornel? What's the name? Hey, man, calm down. Porcel? Porcel? Porcel. Porcel? Porcel, bro. Hey man, calm down All right, look, so this is what I want to tell you You said that you wasn't networking early on Not properly You was

Because that's how I met you, dog This is what I'm trying to say like when you're saying i'm like well i started to figure it out as i as i progressed because i especially with dj so djs i was always about i was so culture driven i wanted to know all the djs and make all the mixtapes do all the drops i probably wasn't networking with rappers the right way especially not promoting the right relationships you mean yeah making the right relationships that would have took me tour-wise and different opportunities. I wasn't figuring that shit out.

I didn't understand it. We were so us, us, us, fucking everybody else that I would see other niggas that I should have been bonding with and not doing it. Shit, that's how we was. Yeah, like y'all probably

the same way. See, I did it and popped. We did it and was trying to go and was getting stopped. When you pop and you do it, then you can do what you want to do. Because I want to give them credit, though, because I was working the Sony account.

I worked the Def Jam account. And, you know, I'm grinding. I'm doing my mixtape shit. I go to Queens, and I'm in, I don't know what the hotel was. It was in the middle of Queens. And you came over to the hotel room. I had a little four-track.

I said, yo, come through. He just dropped mad freestyles. Wow. I was like that back then. Did you do a freestyle too? On the four track. On the four track. Got like 900 EFM freestyles.

Wow. Maybe 3,000. That's my nigga from the beginning. But back then, I was so culture driven. I wanted to rap. And we've been connected ever since. That's a fact. The networking side, we was connected ever since.

Right. He never fronted on me on nothing. I tried to not front on him. No, he never did. Never did. He always tried to be loud. One, two, three. Right. He never fronted on me on nothing. I tried to not front on him. No, he never did. Never did. He always fronted me on. One, two, three. It's true.

It's true. It's true. And he's on your album. He's on my album. Yeah. That's real. You and McGruff. Yeah, and McGruff.

And McGruff. He used to be at the Duke and all that shit. Yo, growing up, I loved McGruff on mixtapes. McGruff was nice. He used to be at the J with us. I loved McG, growing up, I loved McGruff on mixtape. McGruff was nice. He used to be at the Duke. I loved McGruff.

Back to the D. I hope that you knew how important that record was to me. That I could find McGruff because he wasn't really doing a lot when I did my album.

To get McGruff on the record, get you on it, and a homie from Miami on it, the record is incredible, man. Right. What happened to them dudes that you honestly had back then? Oh, no.

They still They still They was dope Mayday Mayday Press P No no Mayday still Yeah they were

Strange music Right Nah they still killing it All the guys were cool niggas Man everybody you brought around me Was cool I remember Yeah all the niggas

I connected with Cool guys Facts indeed Word So Graff man Yes sir I wanna salute you man Face to face man Thank I want to salute you, man. Face to face, man to man. And tell you

the career, the path and the resistance that you chose. Some people would have gave up competing with I don't want to say competing with Fadi because that's what people had y'all competing with. Right, right, right. You know what I mean?

I don't think you were. And then seeing the different paths, some people would have been like, man, fuck that. You know, I'm going to go back to the streets fully. Right. You did it. You waited patiently. And I like to big up the Zelda boys

because I feel like at that very moment when they started to, like bar started to come back. Right, right, right. You know, I felt like that was when your time kind of emerged back. And it was like, all right, cool. This is where I belong. And then you got cool with them brothers. And so basically what I'm trying to say is I'm proud of you.

Thank you, my nigga. Thank you. You know, continue to do what you got to do. Continue to be a bar lord. Warned up. Because it's not that easy to be a lyrical guy. Right. Like, the lyrical guys are like, you know, I love Nas.

And I remember me hearing Nas and hanging with Nas and us going to the clubs together and not hearing his records at all. Because he was too. He wasn't making records for the club, yeah. At that time, he was too lyrical. You know what's crazy? For the club. When you, like, even how my brain thinks on some lyrical shit, right?

It's so much easier for me to be lyrical. It takes me a lot of effort and energy to dumb it down. To me, to simplify it in my brain takes me, it's way harder. Some niggas are simple as fuck and it works for them. And to be complex takes them harder.

I already think so complex. To make it simple, I'm like, it takes me long to do that. that's as simple as and it works for them and it'd be complex takes them harder i'm already think so complex to make it simple i'm like it takes me long to do that you know what i'm saying so i'm in a space now i'm comfortable just doing what the i want to do is great because like i said when i was listening i was just studying you and i'm like man this guy might be smarter than 90 of the room i would wish. When you like, no, no, no, no. When you listen to your music, I'm just saying, and I'm a rapper. Contrary to popular belief, I'm a rapper's rapper.

As a fact. I started out little cool and then I wanted to I liked the clubs. Nah, but you culture though. Niggas gotta know, Nori is culture. What I'm trying to tell you is, I'm studying you knowing that this interview is coming up and I'm that. Nah, but you culture though. Niggas gotta know. Nori is culture. Rap, hip hop, yes. What I'm trying to tell you is I'm studying you knowing that this interview is coming up

and I'm like, damn, some shit kind of goes above my head at times. And I know, even if I don't understand, I understand.

You understand what I'm saying? Right. So I'm like, damn, is he almost too good? That's crazy. For his own good? Or is it, it's the time now.

At that time, he was too good. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm trying to say? Maybe ahead of my time, maybe. That's, thank you, man. That's it. That's what it was. All that stuff is working now. time, maybe. That's what I'm thinking, man. That's it. That's what it was. All that stuff is working now.

Yes, yes. Like, I'm even taking some of the old shit and re-releasing it now or re-spitting it now, but I'm like, okay, I didn't get it then, but I'm going to use

the same exact shit. You're on time right now. Like, when it was like, oh, Graf, you're getting better. What did you change? Nothing, nigga. That's not a fucking thing. You're just listening

different than now. You're paying attention. You got to remember these Gen X kids, man. These dudes, they want to hear that lyrical content. Because all these kids hear is how they didn't live in the golden era. So when they get that, they appreciate it. That's right.

You know what I'm saying? It's like when you go overseas, how do you feel like them? They appreciate music more than when back home. That's how it is with the kids now with the lyrical content. They going to chew it. Yo, I never heard it in that content. Nah, he nailed it. I never heard it in that content. Overseas. home yeah that's how it is with the kids now with the lyrical content they're going to chew i've never heard it in that content he nailed it i've never heard that overseas overseas because they never had it no right

when you go overseas they they appreciate everything you say. I always think about it just because. You just take it for granted. They didn't have it, so cool. But you're right. The next generation, the younger, they didn't have it either. And everybody tell them, like, yo, the golden era was it, was it, was it. So when they get it, they appreciate it.

You know what I'm saying? You know when I really learned that, what he's saying too? This tour I did with Joyner Lucas. Shout out to Joyner again, big up to joining luke i wanted to shoot my video yo johnny and we did him on drink chance man yeah i actually did the show he with it though yeah yeah but this tall his fans a lot of young fans that really give a about hip-hop and the kids is going crazy hearing my for the first time yo i just downloaded three albums your is crazy by the time I get to the meet and greet,

they know the whole shit. Yo, I listened to this shit in the car. It's crazy. That's a fact. Like, I made so many fans on that tour. It's crazy, bro.

And I like, I appreciate it. And just seeing this generation, how they taking to the bars and fucking with it, it's like, I don't got to change shit, nigga.

I'm just going to just serve you what I've been serving. It's a new generation. It's not like, I don't got to change shit, nigga. I'm just going to just serve you what I've been serving. It's a new generation. It's not like, I wanted to claim that fame as me being like, you know, War Report, being a part of that Mobb Deep era. I wanted to claim that, but I can't. We can't. It's y'all new era.

Y'all got a new era and a new style of doing that. And I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I appreciate, like, I appreciate hearing lyrics. Like, contrary to probably, I like to party,

though. I like to party around. I'm the woo! You know, I feel it in the clothes. Woo! That guy? Yeah, that's him.

That's me. I'm the woo! That's a fact. That guy, I'm the woo! You know what I mean? I mean, I also, I'm the woo. That's a fact. That guy, I'm the woo. You know what I mean? I mean, I also ride in my car. And want to hear some shit.

I also go to the sauna. I want to listen to some shit. It made me think. So you're providing that. Thank you, man. It's a fact. But hold up, guys. We can't underestimate.

The thing is, this is the problem we've had in a long time in hip hop. Hip hop has divided itself between major cities. And this is what I think Tech N9ne has shown, that major cities don't mean much. No. Because you go into middle America. Right. And middle America wants something, too. And I think you've seen this as well when you've been touring.

Every tour I've been on, it's like that, yeah. And this is what I think we need to understand that hip hop lives everywhere in the United States. Every fucking way. Everywhere in the world by far. But I'm saying here right now we're here and they love lyrics. They love hip hop. They love the golden era.

They love. They want that. What you're saying, though, that they didn't have that. They live it. So the new generation. And then there's parents in these markets. They're like, oh, man, you and they raising their't have that. They didn't live it. So the new generation, and then there's parents in these markets. They're like, oh man, and they raising their kids on that. That's right.

Because they miss it. And you got to remember in our era, it was kind of, it was about lyrics, but it also was about who you was down with and who did the beat. It is a look at your credits.

Such and such, oh, he didn't get a Swiss beat. He didn't get like Just Blaze, Kanye, Primo ain't do it. Ah, that shit trash. Today, these kids don't even give a shit who did it. The kid at the kiosk in the mall did the beat. They don't even know. That's why I believe there's only two kinds of music today.

Good and not good. That's it. I agree with you. Nah, he facts. That's it. I and not good. That's it. Yeah, I agree with you. Nah, he facts. That's it. I agree with you. That's facts. And Bleak. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yo, Graff, we want you to know, man, this is your house. Thank you, man. We're proud of you. Pick up your new single. That's right, man. Rocking for the chain.

Rocking for the chain. Check out the video. My nigga Freeway, Petey Crack, and Do-Rag Bleak. Y'all see? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

I'm talking crazy right now. I'm back outside. I'm back outside. I'm back outside. I'm back outside. I'm back outside. I'm back outside. I'm back outside.

I'm back outside. I like that. Yeah, you got to brush. You got to do that. You got to brush. I don't need a brush. That shit just going to scratch the scalp. Yo. Yo Yo thank you

Thank you man Yo thank you Bleak For co-hosting My brother My brother Did I say the name of the album Cause I be fucking up Hold on hold on

Rock solid Coming out soon Real soon Real soon I need you to pull up I'm on there too I gotta fuck with my guys Let's end it with you.

Come on, Greg. Yeah, I'm bad at marketing shit, which sucks. I'm good at rapping, but I'm not a fucking PR person. Marketing, none of that shit. Okay. Album is called God's Timing. Right. Fire.

Fully produced by 38 Special. Fire. Met the Man was on the first single. Tyler Colleen was the second one. I just did one with Jim Jones. It's crazy. Bum B got to be on there because you're on all your other albums. Bum B's on every album I ever did. He's not on this one because he's on the next single. Don't drop on the second one. I just did one with Jim Jones. It's crazy. Bum B got to be on there because he's on all your other albums. Bum B's on every album I ever did.

He's not on this one because he's on the next single that I'm dropping on the next album. That's the only reason. That's the only reason. You got to get an intro for him. Bun is on the last one.

Him and Stole Guard did a record on the last one at 38, produced that too. This is the only album I ever dropped that didn't have Bun on there. Only because he on a record that I didn't put on

that I remixed it. Put him on a skit. It's coming on the next album. Put him on a skit because I'm so used to getting Bum B on all of your shit. Oh yeah, we got to do that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. he on a record that I didn't put on that I remixed it it's coming on the next album put him on a skit cause I'm so used to hearing Bum B on all of your shit

oh yeah we gotta do that I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry as a Graff fan I've seen Bum on all of your shit

that's a dope Graff fun fact every time I ever put out Bum B on it I go to over 20 I don't know if y'all know two more points two more points

that's a big fact you got your shit back and you got your shit back. You got your shit back. You got your shit back and you got your shit back. You got your shit back and you got your shit together. I was leaving him to get it off. I was leaving him

to get it off. It's all right. It's my brother. It's my brother. I think it's a shit. I think it's a shit. Hold on. Let me get this over with.

That's how I'm fucking up up That's how I'm hanging out With Rockin' Fuzz niggas You got to bake Like you got to These Rockin' Fuzz Oh yeah yeah yeah I remember I remember watching

Y'all niggas See this shit And I said Yo y'all niggas This is brutal Oh yeah no It was Dame I used to go

Oh yeah no And Dame would Hit you and make Themself laugh It was the Brooklyn Harlem niggas Them niggas Don't

I'm telling you It was a lot The Queens niggas Cut it out After a while I was 30 At the change I loved it I was just crying The Queens niggas Cut it out after a while I was looking at Them niggas I was starting to change

I love it I was like I was just a great war Yo I ain't gonna lie You couldn't I don't want this around I'm thinking if they feel It's her to Rockefeller

I'd be like I don't want this shirt To Rockefeller It would have been a war They would have been They would have been Proud of it I see how niggas

Always make niggas cry And my wife saying You know what You look good That's good Her approval is like Ah fuck wife saying, you know what? You look good. That's good. Her approval is like, ah, fuck what anybody said. You know what I'm saying? Exactly.

Wife saying it's a girl, it's a fucking girl. Exactly. Look at her. All right, Grav. All right, yeah, so God's timing it out right now. Fuck with your boy, man. So you download this shit, man. This is fucking incredible.

Rory Pop, I just find it. It's already high. Give it up. The album is crazy. The second, I'm already working on my next album after man. This is fucking incredible. Royal Hip Hop at its finest. I rate it high. Give it up. The album is crazy. The second, I'm already working on my next album after this. First single on that, got Joyner Lucas on it.

Shout out to my boy Joyner. Joyner Lucas. Bum B's on that album, of course. Hell yeah. Bum is on that. And I'm just cooking up the rest of it right now. But this shit is incredible, man. Support Royal Hip Hop, man.

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