Drink Champs - Episode 425 w/ DJ SPINDERELLA

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, DJ SPINDERELLA!Spinderella joins us for an episode that you don’t want to miss!Spinderella shares stories of her journey, being part of the legendary group Salt-N-Pepa and more!Spinderella shares tour stories, the hit record “Push It”, and much much more!Lot’s of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for DJ SPINDERELLA!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs, motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope it is what it should be.

It's your boy N.O.R.E. What's going on? It's DJ EFN. And it's the Military Crazy World Podcast. Make some noise! EFN, when we started this show, we said we wanted to give the flowers to icons. We said we wanted to give the flowers to legends. We said we wanted to give the flowers to people that came before us.

This person that we're introducing today is not only a legendary DJ, just a legend. It's just an icon. Person that cataclyzed the game. I don't even know how to pronounce that word. Spell it first. Definitely don't even know how to pronounce that word. Spell it first. Definitely don't even know how to spell McDonald's. She is icon, legend, a person that if it wasn't for her, it might not be you. And guess what? It might not be me.

It might not be us. It might not be Drink Champs. It might not be nothing. There might not be us. There might not be drink champs. There might not be nothing. Respect the DJs. Respect the motherfucking DJ. When we found out that we had, we booking her, I immediately asked.

And we've been trying for a while. For a long time. We've been trying for a while, yes. But I immediately asked for her drink order. And I'm going to be honest with you. Her drink order has to be the going to be honest with you. Her drink order has to be the wildest we've ever saw. Really?

I don't think she meant all those drinks at the same time. Do you want to say the drinks that she ordered? I know I saw vodka. Tequila. Henny. Not cognac. No, Hennessy. See, that's what's different. Most people say cognac.

That's not Hennessy. She said Hennessy. As you know, that's that's ratchetness came out right and then what else she said Ace no no no Ace of A's no no

tequila whiskey Hennessy and there's one more vodka vodka yeah I said vodka first I said Hennessy

I said Hennessy privilege okay okay but in case you don't know who we talking about we talking about the legendary, iconic goddess. Person that I'm mad that we didn't throw flowers at her feet when she walked through.

Because I had just landed, so I didn't think. But in case you don't know who you're talking about, it's about the one and only Motherfucker Spearhead. Yeah! Wow. So I'm off top. I'm going to be honest, Jamie. I'm doing vodka and club soda immediately. Okay.

Are you doing something? I'm doing vodka, yeah. Oh, yo, I ain't going to lie. Yeah, man. I've been having conversations with your liver lately. Oh, yeah? With my liver. Instead of your own liver.

Nah, your liver be texting my liver. And I'll be like, yo, what's going on? You know what I mean? Oh, my God. They got a group text. Yeah, they got a group chat. And your liver been like, yo, man, this guy is drinking too much. Different shit.

Like, they want you to stick. They want you to be black. Stick with one liquor. And you stick with four liquors. I'm sticking with one. It's vodka and my Moana. That's not one. That's one liquor. And you stick with four liquors. I'm sticking with one. It's vodka and my Moana. That's not one liquor. That's one combination.

And then you got beer. No, I'm not drinking beer. You got the beers. No, no, no. I keep my own. I drink beer after. That's the after party. I mean, ain't this drink champs?

Yeah. I mean, of course. We're maturing in our drink champs. I see. I see. So let's take it to the beginning, right? Because everyone documents your career from when you got with Salt-N-Pepa. But you had a whole life prior to that.

I had a life period. I was not born in Salt-N-Pepa. That would have been something. No. They go, pfft. And she is like, no. They're not having like that. I started DJing before Salt-N-Pepa. but it wasn't like I was trying to be a DJ.

I just kind of picked it up. My high school boyfriend was a DJ, and I used to go to his house after school, and we just would be practicing. And he had a set of turntables, So I was learning the art and technique from him. And he did a few parties, took me along with him. And so I kind of picked it up there. So, okay. What was the DJ name you had then? I didn't have a DJ name.

No? It was just DJ? I was just Dee Dee. I mean, that's a lot. I mean, that was enough for me. But I wasn't trying, like, again, I wasn't trying to be a DJ. It was just something I was interested in. But even before that, my dad was a collector.

So he collected all this, you know. Music collector. Music. He was an avid collector of all, like, the music. He had vinyl, all the 45s. So I was, from a child familiar theme and hearing all the music. And I adopted, you know, the music, you know, I guess my vast nature of music came from my dad. Right. So I had that that before I even started on turntables.

So let me let me let me say something as an emcee. I realized the other day I always started on turntables. So let me say something. As an MC, I realized the other day I've always been jealous of the DJ. Really? Yes. I mean, that's how it all started. You guys were jealous of the DJ. Yeah. I'm not going to say that. By the way, this is subconsciously. This is me talking subconsciously.

When we had Mad Skills the other day, and Mad Skills was like, yo, he prefers being a DJ over MC. And I was appalled because I'm an MC and I can't be a DJ. I suck. I tried. I could be an iPod DJ. That's about it.

But what I realized, iPod, is that how you say it right? Not anymore. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I realized was he said, the reason why I like DJing a little bit more is because I'm actually in control of the crowd. I had never heard that. So, I literally quenched. Because you're a DJ, so you probably didn't catch it. So, when he said it, I was like, because as an MC, if you don't like my music, I can't change your mind.

A DJ can change. Change it up. Versus mine. So what kind of power is that? I'm sorry, I know I'm all over the place, but my DJ, DJ Butch Rock, will go to the club an hour early. And because I have a black crowd,

I have a Latino crowd, I have a such and such crowd. So he'll go to the hour earlier and be like, tonight, tonight we're being Latino. Tonight we're being, we're being black. Tonight we're being black-tino. You know what I'm saying? He'll do that.

But when I spoke to Matt Skills, he said he didn't have to do that. He could just go and just read the crowd. And I was, I'm jealous of y'all. I'm just being like, I should have told you this off-scene. There's an art to that. Yes, I didn't know that. There's an art to that.

So we're not just... Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. She need a drink. That's what I'm trying to get at. Yes, yes. I was waiting. You noticed I stopped. You didn't see me like this.

I was like, silent. And ladies first. Ladies first. Ladies first. All right. I don't know. What do I want on the list? Let me see.

Okay, yeah. You got a long list. You got A. You got A. You got Duce. Duce. Yes, right. Duce.

Jay Z, we got you, baby. That's what you want? Just on the rocks. Yeah. Okay, so let's? Just on the rocks, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so let's get back to what I was asking. The art of DJing. Mm-hmm. I always...

There's an art to it. I always underestimated, you guys, until I actually investigated. And when I realized, holy shit, I ain't shit without a DJ. How does that feel to control the crowd? First of all, thank you for that. I mean, I think that's a compliment because it all started with the DJ. That's right. I think you said compliment.

So the DJ would, you know, lock their set and they would leave a mic there for, you know, lock their set and they would leave a mic there for, you know, someone to come up and, and grab the mic and, you know, do some crowd stuff, do some crowd work

because they're working. They're up there doing their thing. But the power is, it just, it just feels good because you can change moods. You can change,

you know, people's uh wherever they are they can be sad yeah you change the energy the vibes um and that's the most beautiful thing and there were times that i of course second guessed myself just just as you as an emcee would be like you know i i idolize the emcee well djs would feel the same way in a sense because we weren't always and I don't I'm going to speak for myself sometimes the MC was always in the front and the DJ is

the one behind so but when you know your power and this is just with anything in life when you know your power you use it and I you know your power, you use it. And I, you know, knowing that I could change people's mood and make them happy, sad, mad, you know, whatever their vibe is, I can, I can change that. That, that's powerful. So it's an, it's inspiring to me as well

as to those that's listening. You um to every dj in the world i apologize for underestimating your job because i kid you not it's the first thing i think of when i think of a party i'm like who's gonna dj but no what you really should think about is every successful artist has a dj the dj is the one that made the success. The DJ and obviously the consumer, the audience. Yeah. But it was the DJ. So let me ask you, Spen. At one point, the DJ was the focal point.

Like, it was like, not to say it like this, but you knew about Rakim. Mm-hmm. But you kind of came to see Eric B. Mm-hmm. I don't want to throw salt and pepper. Damn. Yeah, right. That soundedhmm. And I don't want to, like, throw salt and pepper. Damn. Yeah, right, right. That sounded crazy.

I didn't even realize how to. But at one point, you know, people really came to see you. Like, they were, like, really, like, because the DJ was the forefront. Mm-hmm. When did that transition from the DJ being everything to the DJ being just? Behind. Okay. I don't know when the transition...

I feel like that was in... Okay, let's think about it. The golden era of hip-hop is considered probably the late 80s. Late 80s to early 90s. To early 90s, yeah. To early 90s. And in that timeframe, so the late 80s, think of all the groups that had DJs. Houdini.

Yep. Run DMC. Yep. LL Cool J. Yep. Public Enemy. Public Enemy. Salt-N-Pepa. that time frame so the late 80s think of all the groups that had djs houdini on dmc yep l l qj public enemy public enemy salt and pepper jesse jeff fresh prince um that was the thing right um even epmd would scratch you know once that moved i mean naughty by Nature Beastie Boys with Hurricane the Beastie Boys um when that transitioned I feel like that may have happened when the gangster era came in oh maybe you don't think instant replay I think had a big part in that when when artists said we don't really need a DJ we play equipment period because what are you saying when they move from the box? Just having tracks. Well, I'm looking at the time frame. I don't know, like, you know, what particular hardware there was, you know, that transition.

I'm looking at the time frame. And when the DJ started to become more, like, behind the scenes, you know what I'm saying? It started to, thec was all in the front right so and and that to me was around um 88 no later 80 90 no 90 because because i mean and i'm not everyone's gonna say oh you're defending the west coast groups that were out in the 90s but even the gangster artists like if you think about nwaW.A. had Dre and Yella. If he had DJ Quick, it's DJ Quick. Oh, shit. That's after the fact.

That's after the fact. The Alcoholics had E. Swift. The mid-90s. Think of mid-90s. Yeah. Well, Tribe was out. You know, Tribe was my shit. And they had a DJ.

They had a DJ. I mean, even artists. I'm just thinking of the time frame that when that transition happened. You had Wu-Tang. Who transition happened you had Wu-Tang who was the DJ for Wu-Tang? Mathematics Mathematics right? Okay so

but there was a switch up that happened and I'm looking at the time frame and I feel like mid 90s to late 90s that changed that switch changed and I also remember when KRS-One used to talk about the DJ back. Like, he actually did a song about DJs. This was like late, was it the late 90s?

I'm not sure when it was, but it made me think, like, he gave respect to the DJ. This is after the fact. This is when the DJ was kind of like in the background, faded out. But yeah, I mean, De La Soul, I mean, I could go on and on how important the DJ is in a group, especially when it comes to hip hop. Well, at one point, the DJ was the most important.

Like, um... Shit, I... The beginning. Yeah. I relate this to my own career. I remember at one point, we used to go to Europe, perform,

and they were like, hey, get on the stage. Let's see what your DJ got. They say what? They say get off the stage. Let's see what your DJ got. They say get off the stage? No, get on the stage.

We finished it. Oh, get on the stage. Get off. And then they were like, because that's the contract we signed. Our DJ will perform prior to us performing and then afterwards.

Right, he'll do it soon. Have the crowd moving. Yes, yes. So, um... Whew. Hip-hop. Hip-hop has been... I feel like you come from

the purest form of hip-hop. And I feel like... Here, take some Hennessy. Because you... I do say, do say, do say. Salud, salute, salute. Cheers, cheers. Salud. And I'm going to here, take some Hennessy. I do say, do say, do say, Salud, Salud, Salud. Cheers, cheers. Salud.

And I'm going to say it for myself. I was in St. Thomas the other day, and my wife's friends pulled up, and they was playing some music. That was horrible. Oh, shit. I mean, no, no, no, no. It wasn't horrible. It was horrible to my tasting. Right. I'm a 46-year-old man. Oh, shit. I mean, no, no, no. It wasn't horrible. It was horrible to my tasting. Right.

I'm a 46-year-old man. I'm married. I'm in love. Okay. I have children. And I don't want to be hearing... Okay. Okay.

I was appalled. What song was that, though? What song was that? That's what I want to know. In St. Thomas? What was it called? No, no, no. It wasn't a St. Thomas song.

Okay. It was nowadays. It was like a hip hop song? You know, yeah, hip hop. Modern. And when I was listening to these, these young women lyrics. Oh shit.

Who was you talking about? You know what I'm saying? I am now the old man. Because I was saying shit like, shoot up your block to make you know me. That shit is appalling. But they told me, huh? Yeah, yeah. You have

officially crossed that line. I can't say it. As soon as I say it, y'all gonna know what I'm talking about. And by the way, I'm not offended of her, but I was just like, damn, it's so much vulgar music. Like, if I have a kid right now, I'm gonna tell my kid, do not listen to this. Okay, so let me just remind you

of what we listened to back then. We did have some vulgar music back then. Did we not forget? Gucci rap? Luke? Do we not forget? I mean, Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown right there. I mean, come on. and Foxy Brown, right there. I mean, come on.

Huh? They had good beats. Oh, they had great beats. Nigga said they got good beats. That was us. But that was us. That was us back then. So, you know, we do have to consider that we are older and our tastes have probably developed different in experience in life.

And just some things is just not suitable for you as it was before. have probably developed different in their experience in life. And just some things is just not suitable for you as it was before. Especially that you have children now. It's different. And that's okay. But we cannot front on the fact that

we had vulgarity in our music back then. I don't think it's vulgarity. It was vulgar. No, no, I'm not saying. I'm saying I don't think it's vulgarity. It was vulgar. No, no, I'm not saying. I'm saying I don't think that's the issue. Maybe that... I didn't even know Push It was a sexual song. Yeah, but when you...

It wasn't. I mean, it wasn't. Okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. What you think it was? 80s artists... Listen, I'm going to be honest with you.

80s artists... Oh, God. Exploited sexuality. But they did it in taste that I later on in life caught on, oh, they're talking about this. Like subliminals. It was subliminal. It wasn't, yo, I'm going to fuck you in the ass. It wasn't that.

Except till True Life Crew came through. I went too far. I'm just saying, this is what they saying nowadays. They're like, hey, man. I like that mystery. I like that mystery, you know, that's subliminal. Think of, from a TV standpoint, remember Three's Company? Yeah, of course.

How they would have those subliminal jokes about sexual innuendos, you know. But it made you want to watch because it's like, you know, they're going to say something. It's going to be like. Like they had that sexual tension. Yes. But nothing was ever said yes but you know as an example for push it it was not a sexual song we were literally talking about dancing on on a you know the dance floor and people took that and took it the other way and it actually worked for us so So, I mean, hey. I don't believe you.

It's true. It's true. It's true. When I was young, I was like, oh. No, he thought it was saying something else. He thought it was saying the words was really similar, you know. But TJ, teenage hormones. I was a teen, too.

Trust me. I was not saying that. I was not saying that. But people, I mean, gosh, we were almost arrested for that song. Whoa. Yeah. Like being on stage and being told that if you play that song, that happened to us as well. If you play that song here.

Push it, particularly. Push it. Wow. You can get arrested. Wow. So there were times that that was almost the case. And somehow we got to a point where it was like, you know, we just had to convince everybody that this is not about what you

think it's about. And that is the truth. Jamie. Take it as you want. Okay. So we interviewed, who did we interview? And they said that they were getting threatened every night. TK Kirkland. The AZE.

Yeah, he was on the tour. Was that a similar situation? It was similar. And trust me, it wasn't just N.W.A. was dealing with that. I'm sure there was a lot of artists that had that because back then, you know, there was, I don't know, there was no, there was no parameters. Right.

So it was kind of like we were doing these songs and just creating this, you know, vibe. And it sounded as if we were crossing a line. And for us, we were just girls having a good time,

partying, doing our song. They thought it was something else. Right. And so, yeah, that happened with us. Which was common here in the U.S. in music.

They used to do that even, believe it or not, with old school music, like with old school rock or whether it be Sinatra and those guys. Believe it or not, they were. They were doing what? If they performed, the local cops would show up and say that it was profane in some way. Profanity. Like it wasn't new to hip hop, but I'm sure hip hop took it another notch. Yeah. I'm sorry to change the subject, but I just performed for Fat Joe.

Big up to Fat Joe. He got the key to the subject, but I just performed for Fat Joe. Pick up the Fat Joe. He's got the key to the city, right? Pick up the Fat Joe. I get on stage. There's five cops waiting for me. For you. So I get on stage, and they're like, you know where we can get a photo? And I'm like, calling this the no-warrant photo.

Because I wanted to leave. So I know I changed the subject. So let's just take the band-aid off. Ooh, let me have a drink. Yeah, because I'm going to be honest with you. As a younger, I was about to say citizen, but I don't think that's the correct word. Nice shirt, Charlie.

Do you think it's true? but as a younger I'm going to be honest with you you're going to think that I'm so naive but I am and I want to be I didn't want to ever see you and Pepper have beef

honestly I'm almost tearing up a little bit i'm almost yeah it hurt me damn i am actually hold on let me get my life together yeah yeah because y'all my childhood heroes yeah fuck my childhood y'all my heroes so to see turmoil period like I almost ignored it. As if it didn't happen. Expecting that it would just go away. Right. Because I was so, like, attached to y'all. Like, I'm so attached.

I'm not attached to Salt-N-Pepa without Spinderella. I'm sorry. I apologize. I don't care what people think. It's just how I see it. I didn't see the other Spinderella. God bless her. I know she's supposed to be first.

But I don't remember how she looked. I don't remember. All I remember is this. So when I got the word that it was any term warrior, I didn't remember what the term warrior was. But I remember me being sad. Yeah. And I remember me continuing to be sad.

And then we booked this interview. I'm watching these interviews and i'm seeing you you know speaking your piece and i still to this day i'm like damn what happened yeah what happened so in your opinion what was the first straw on the camel's back that you was like damn this is not right i mean i generally speaking when you you just grow up you just get to a point where things will not you will not be tolerated and respect this should be mutual and when respect is mutual we can move and do whatever right but when respect is not mutual then this that's you

know what are you here for the bag that don't last because i can do then that's, you know, what are you here for, the bag? That don't last because I can do a bag without it. You know what I'm saying? So growing up for me, you know, I mean, having my grandson changed me, just seeing how the whole scope of hip hop is changing, just how things are, history is important. Like being in the history books how things are history is important like like like being being in the history books is important yeah legacy is important absolutely um but yeah you just don't take

bullshit anymore when you get to a certain point it's done and i i felt like if we don't have that mutual respect it's not gonna work and so we needed we needed that we needed't have that mutual respect, it's not going to work. And so we needed that. We needed to do that. We needed to do that. And I know how people feel. Like, it really hurt people. No, I'm one of them. I mean, like a dagger.

I'm one of them. I had to just fight my tears. But you have to understand. Oh, I'm sorry, but get him a tissue. No, I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious. I'm not lying. No, it's like you just have to, it's bigger than this group. Like it's life.

It's like you just don't want to deal with, you know, shit that you, you know, don't have to. And we had to get some things straight. And we had to do it in a way that was not, you know, unfortunately, it was publicized. But it had to be because there was a lot of work. There was a lot of, you know, like everything from legalities involved and dissecting royalties and things like that. So all that has been dealt with. All that. It's been settled.

It's been settled. Everything has been good. Well, the business side has been dealt with. All that, thankfully. It's been settled. It's been settled. Everything has been good. Well, the business side has been dealt with. The business side has been handled. But the friendships are irreparable?

I'm not going to say it's not. It's dead in the water. I'm going to say I'm always going to be open. My heart is always open. So fortunately, we did come together.

We got a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And we got acknowledged, you know, for other things as well. And it's just, it's like in any relationship. Sometimes it just, you know. It dissolves. You outgrow it. You're there for a time and you're there for a reason. And you just, you know, move on.

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to us not meant meant is past tense and I'm a little smarter than that okay how much you mean to us you guys evolutionize the woman category, you made sure that woman was represented in hip-hop. Oh, yeah. And for that, you could never take that away. What I'm saying is, again, I want to reiterate what I said earlier because if there wasn't no

Pepper and Spinderella, there wouldn't be no fucking Capone, Noriega, and DJ EFN. Right. So, if there's any way that you can amend it, I recommend you do because I love to see y'all three together. It's like Voltron, you know what I'm saying? When I see y'all three, I actually

get goosebumps. I actually do. And so I just want to commend y'all for maintaining that. And it was one of the worst fan moments of my life. Oh my God. Seeing y'all go through it.

Cause I honestly looked at it and didn't like try to act like I ignored it. Like I didn't just see that. No, that shit was crazy. Yeah. That shit was crazy. Think about groups though. Right.

All the groups. Uh-huh. It's not perfect. Right. Yeah. I mean, especially groups from back in the days. It's not, not perfect. You name I mean, especially groups from back in the days. It's not perfect. You name them and they have those issues.

Or starting young and then you grow into different people. Yeah. Yeah. We all like excited, you know, in the beginning. And then, you know, we grow up and we turn into who we are. And then we just kind of grow apart. But I noticed that that's the case with most groups. Yeah.

I love to see, like. I love to see, like, I love to see Jeff and Will together. I love that. I like when I see Chuck D and Flav come together. You know, I like when I see,

you know, just old groups come together. But I do understand that you can't make a square fit into a circle. You cannot. But you know,

all of them have beef too. You know, all of them have beef too. You know all of them have beef too. Oh yeah. It's just the difference between y'all and them is that y'all beef was public

and the thing about it is No, their beef was public a lot of like Whose beef was public? Who? Public Enemy. Chuck? No, not Jeff's.

Not Jeff's. No, I'm talking about Public Enemy. Chuck and Flav? No, not Public Enemy. Just Chuck. Chuck was mad at Flav. At one point Flav was

wilding too and oh you're right i forgot that part i forgot but when i see them together it's like yes so i get what y'all are feeling i get look i'm talking to me talking to fans where the fans at all of our people out there trust me and you know, she has been always the glue. Like, you know, it hasn't been perfect with the three of us. And we got our things about us. But Pep will go to no end to make something come together you know and you know we have we've talked on a a bunch of occasions and um you know we're just we're just leaving the door open we're at that point to backtrack a little for people who don't know the situation you don't have to go into because i'm sure you're sick of

talking about it but on the business on the business side of it what could what did you learn that you could have done differently for it to not end up business-wise i was young and there was no contract number one so contract as far as road or contract as far as internal internal nothing holy there was no contract it was like a handshake yeah it was like look we we want you to um dj for us audition for us without a contract. There was no contract. And me, I was 16, so I was like, ooh, okay, whatever. But even when I got older, I did ask,

can we produce something, some kind of something to sign to? But their argument is, it was Herbie who brought me in the group. It was Herbie's group. Herbie was the creator of Salt-N-Pepa. And Salt-N-Pepa, both from Queens. You're from?

Brooklyn. Brooklyn, okay. And Herbie's from? Pink Houses. Pink Houses. East New York. You'd be stabbing a lot of people. Watch out, guys. Watch out, guys.

But yeah, so Herbie was the one who, and he was the one who brought Pepper in. And he actually was Salt who brought Pepper in. But we didn't have a contract. So that's how important contracts are. And if you don't have that, you know, you really don't have a leg to stand on. So, and that's bad on both sides. Them as the unit and me as the DJ coming into the unit you know

but I you know to my point I wanted to make things right you know from a legal

standpoint make sure let's produce a contract and when I would do that I would get pushback from that you know we like it the way it is

leave it alone you know so let me stop you for a second because i heard you say this but i i need to hear you say this so you're saying there was gigs that you were doing and wasn't getting paid for oh no yeah there was um what's the word promotional promotional but but i would say i got paid for promotional gigs But we weren't getting paid paid It was like Here's a

He's saying you specifically Or the whole group wasn't getting paid Well the whole group Yeah The whole group Promotional We already know that track Promotional

When I heard you say that When I heard you say that I'm thinking They were signaling you Oh no no Okay so it was the whole group It was promotional runs I mean it was

Photo sessions There was anything That had to do with Building a brand A group brand Wow Oh, no, no. Okay, so it was the whole group. It was promotional runs. I mean, it was photo sessions. There was anything that had to do with building a brand, a group brand. Wow. Which is your sweat equity. It's sweat equity. Right. And so that's your investment. Okay, I'll invest.

I believe in this. I'm here for it. And that, to me, I don't care about that. To your point earlier, what was it without speaking on it? I had to take them to court to, you know, to get my royalties divided. From records. From records that I performed on. Yes.

I'm on probably about 15 songs. Three that's super hits. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go. Oh, you do your own I'm on point let's go perfect

so yes with that said I mean that's enough come on so somebody's getting paid and I'm not but the royalties weren't coming from them

it would be the record label it would be the record label it would be the record label but they're still here's the thing they were signed to the record label

yeah they were signed To the record label. Yeah, they were signed to the record label. But I wasn't. And so with our voices together and our performances together on something, they had their names as the receivers, as the performers, and I didn't have mine. So your shares. So my shares. I was fighting for my shares. Fuck you, right. My proper shares, you know, from them.

Right. That's separate and apart from being in Salt-N-Pepa. It's like when you perform or when you produce, you should have your, or you write, you should have your shares of yours. And so that's what I was fighting with. And separate from, because if someone listening, they might confuse it with publishing. It's not publishing

because they would get their publishing for whatever they wrote or their performance. Yeah. But I did produce a couple of things for Salt-N-Pepa. And so I had to fight for that as well. And, you know, it was like when the end came, it was like, okay, let's do this right then.

And I didn't want it to be public, but it went public. And at the end when the end came it was like okay let's do this right then and i didn't want to bring i didn't want it to be public but it went public and at the end of the day i had to do what i had to do because i have you know i put my blood sweat and tears for 35 years 35 years is a lifetime it's a lifetime and so when you say sweat, you put your all into something and then to be dismissed or to be kind of put out as if you weren't there. That's the contribution. Get what you deserve and then peace out. But, you know, today I'm not here to, you know, put, they're always going to be queens to me. They might not feel the way that I feel about them. No, they feel the same way.

But it doesn't matter to me. I'm a grown woman. I'm a queen. I'm going to fix my sister's crowns. If I can help you, I will always do that. But I'm going to fight for mine. Right. And I'm going to show you how to fight, you know, and stand up for yours.

So that's what I got out of it. You know, at the end of the day, I'm happy that I'm sorry that it went that way. But I had to do what I had to do for me. You know, as an outsider that's looking in, as an insider that's looking out, I feel like the mistake probably was that y'all didn't negotiate together from the beginning. Because I believe that they had a contract and then you had a separate. And had y'all showed that woman camaraderie, what's her name?

Camaraderie. Yeah, that word. Okay. Yeah, so that's what I feel like. Because I feel like they wasn't trying to do you wrong. I feel like they were so much trying to look out for themselves because women were being done wrong at that time. They were so much trying to look out for themselves that they didn't think of. Gotcha.

You know what I'm saying? By the way. No, I understand. This is no facts. I understand that point because I tried to sit in their shoes too. I did. And when I was talking with Pat, point because I tried to sit in their shoes too. I did. And when I was talking with Pep, Pep explained a lot to me about her situation in it and how familiar my situation is to her because she was fighting for hers too internally. So, and I'm like, and you're Pepa and you're fighting.

So she's fighting in her own group? I cannot speak for her. Right. But I will say that she understood some of the fight that I had in fighting for your part and what you have provided and contributed. And it's just a bigger picture than what everybody thinks. And, you know, as a writer, as a producer, as a performer, you should get your share of what you put into it. And, you know, I'll let her speak about her situation. But from the sound of it, it's not just them two. It's other entities.

Would it be Herbie or whoever? I believe it's directly labeled way more than it is them. Well, they did have fights with Herbie about stuff, but I feel like they absolved it. But at the end of the day, I'm looking at my situation. Right. Which is all that matters right now. And I can't speak on PEPA. I wish them well.

You know, and the door is always open. We said that. We would love to see you guys together. At my birthday party. But I have to say, you have to kind of take care of you in the end. And you got to make sure you're good. In order for the door to be open, for us to come together again, business got

to be handled. When I handle my business, my team, shout out to my team. Shout out to your team. Shout out to my manager, LJ. He's been my manager. I'm a loyal person. I have the same people with me forever.

My manager, LJ, he said to say hi to y'all. Okay. Big up, LJ. He's been my manager for almost 20 years. So my husband. Big up your husband. My husband, Q. My daughter, Christy.

She's a DJ, too. So, you know, I'm constantly making sure she's good because she's out there, you know, just making sure she's right. Contracts and everything but the right having the right people around you keeps you right and so when i leave my team and then i go into salt and pepper i need to make sure that's right i know how it should be and so um from this moment on should a door open there again we're going there again, we're going to be good. We're going to be good because all contracts will be right. We'll make sure everybody is right.

And I feel like back then we didn't have the right conversations about doing that because I did bring it up. Let's do a contract. Let's do a contract. I just. Did somebody present you with that and say, yo, listen, you need a contract or that's something you came up with? I came up with it. Okay, cool. Continue. I came up with it. Okay. And when Herbie

was gone, I think when Herbie left, Herbie left back in the early 90s, it was kind of like, I'm just kind of floating here. I'm just kind of just floating and I mean, they definitely paid me, you know, when I did my gigs or whatever. But when it came to promoting and promoting the albums

and pushing the albums and performing on the albums, I wasn't getting my cut. So I had to make sure I got mine. And so that's why it took that long to do it. And when it was said and done, we settled. And when you settle That means we're all on the same page Right

You know as a kid When I heard this I was like Oh that's just a rumor As a kid you heard this? Like yeah Yeah well this is a long term situation Yeah

It's been a long time I was like that's just a rumor Were you a long You talking about Okay so I mean as a kid though I was a kid in mind Why you trying to make me

I mean Am I that old Like It didn't break up In the early 90s It was No we didn't break up In the early 90s

But we had issues We had issues back in the Early Late 90s Late 90s I remember like 94, 95 I'm 47

I'm 46 I'll be 47 Next month So we're talking about 20 something years Yeah And to me it seems like Woo Yeah That's a long time ago I'm 47 I'm 46 I'll be 47 next month so we're talking about 20 something years yeah and to me it seems like whoo

yeah that's my child it's a long time to be going through this shit right is it it's true that Herbie

when he put the group together he thought of it as the female Run DMC yes and Houdini so you would have been the Jam Master J

of that Run DMC Houdini yes he thought of Houdini and Run DMC so do you remember He would have been the Jam Master Jay of that Run DMC. Houdini, yes. He thought of Houdini and Run DMC. So, do you remember ever going to Lafrak City? I do. Oh, yeah.

All right. That's crazy how this ties into the beginning of Dream Champs. Really? He's our first guest. You have no idea. First recorded guest. Let me just tell you something. Where he's going to go now. Okay.

And I know your husband is here. Is that so? All go now. Okay. And I know your husband is here. Is that so? All due respect. All due respect. And your daughter's here, who I feel like she's related to me. Let me just tell you something. Kenny Anderson at the time was the hottest point guard in New York City. Kenny Anderson.

I'm from 97th Street. Kenny Anderson is from 96th Street. He's from down the block. The hottest woman in the game, ran the chain at the time, was Spinderella. Oh, shoot. My childhood was

Spinderella is the most beautifulest woman in the game. Oh, really? Everyone wants Spinderella. Salt and Pepper is the name. Everybody wants Spinderella. Jesus.

Everybody wants you to turn around. Let me hear this, man. Let me hear this, man. Let me hear this, man. I just want to hear it. And it was one day, Kenny Anderson, we call him Chipper. He comes through my neighborhood with you.

And when I tell you, that was like a goal. That was like, oh. I think I remember. I ain't going to lie. I was the little nigga like that. It was me. In case you don't know, that little dirty nigga

probably didn't clean my ears. I was like, holy shit. And that shit changed my childhood. Because it made me... Kenny Anderson, which I tell him this, and I tell him this off the air, and this is kind of corny. I just always say this on air.

He made me who I am. One of those, and one of those, it's two days. I'll tell you the L.A. day. Remember when I first hit number one? And it was this day. This is way before I was a rapper. And he came through the hood with you. And when I tell you, every man in the hood

could not take their eyes off you. I'm sorry, husband. I'm sorry, husband. But it was one of the greatest moments of my life. Because you represented making it.

You have no idea what I'm talking about. I mean, I think I could understand in the sense of just coming through and it's just like a picture of what it looks like to be success and have the right female on your arm and, you know. No, no, you're being humble. But not just a female. No, no, no, she's being humble. Let me take over. Let me take over. She's being humble. You were the hottest chick in the humble. Not just a female. No, no, no, she's being humble. Let me take over. Let me take over. She's being humble.

You were the hottest chick in the game. Let's be clear. Did you not feel that? No, I did not feel that. Oh, my God. We sucked in the 80s. I did not. I did not feel that.

Did you not feel that? Holy shit. I do know that, you know, people tell me they had crushes on me or whatever, but. No, but for real, like, I remember, like, I'm so proud to call you my sister now. But back then, I can't deny that. Like, how it was like. But I do know that the fans had their favorites. I mean, they had, I mean, I know that they looked at me like, you know, they had crushes on me or whatever.

And I hear that a lot today. Like, you know, I still got a crush on you type of thing. But no, I didn't know that. You didn't feel it? I could feel that they loved on me. Yeah. I could feel that. That's one way of putting it.

Yeah. I could feel they loved on me. I mean, not to take away from what you're saying. Please. But, you know, I get how but I get how people look at somebody. And I remember being just on top of the world. Salt-N-Pepa and myself, we were just on top of the world. We were the girls.

We was those girls back then. And they had their favorites. Salt was their favorite. She had her favorites. Pep had her favorites. Spin had their favorites. Salt was their favorite. You know, she had her favorites. Pep had her favorites. Spin had her favorites. You know, like. But wait, to take it back to Drink Champs, Kenny was our first recorded guest.

We didn't release it first, but he was the first person that we tested this concept with. Oh, wow. Yeah. So you are Drink Champs alumna all around. Yes, yes, yes. I'm in there, huh? Yes, yes, yes. I heard your interview,

some of the interview y'all did with Kenny. And I heard what you guys were, I don't know, y'all were talking about baby mamas and stuff like that. I think that was funny. I was scared to say your name because to this day, I'm still scared of you. Why?

From the music standpoint, I'm really proud of what we've done together. That is something that nothing that we can personally go through could ever overshadow the purpose of what Salt-N-Pepa was. The Salt-N-Pepa, the music, the message, the importance of us in music, the importance of us in hip hop, the importance of us as women, the contribution as women to our, our just our generation. And so representative. So don't let what personal stuff color that and that means a lot to hear you say that. But yeah, it was great times. It was interesting. Just you know, I remember that going through left rack with Kenny, I did a lot of left rack. I was great times. It was interesting. Just, you know, I remember that going through

Left Rack with Kenny. I did a lot of Left Rack. I was out there a lot. We used to actually, we used to actually, me and Kenny used to go at it because, you know, he called the pink houses the stink houses. And I would call, I'm sorry y'all, it was just a joke. I would call Left Rack City, Left W it was just a joke, I would call Left Wax City it was a

it was a it was a thing between me and Kenny at the time look at that little boy look at that little boy but no I spent a lot of time in Left Wax City he did a lot I'm not going toayette. Yes, yes. Yes. And I thank you. He did a lot.

He did a lot for the hood. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie to you. Again, I should say this to him off camera. But he kept me out of jail for years because he had a tournament called the Kenny Anderson Tournament. And I would go there and I would play basketball. And I remember one year, I'm sorry I'm going to turn it back

but I remember one year I was selling drugs and I just couldn't stop selling drugs. I was addicted to selling drugs even though I wasn't a good drug dealer. I was like semi but I would get my shit off and

a coach came to me, I can't say the coach's name because he's very big. The coach said to me, I know you sell drugs, but you're going to come and play this basketball. You're going to come play this basketball. And I came and played basketball and we won!

We won. And by the way, because of Kenny Him doing The contributions That he did To the hood His mother As well

Yep Rest in peace Miss A Yes that's right Rest in peace Rest in peace my father As well Rest in peace to your dad Yes

You met her right You met her right She's a gangster She's a gangster First of all My daughter's here Yes I immediately felt Connected to her, right? She's a gangster. She's a gangster. First of all, my daughter's here. Yes.

Yes. I immediately felt connected to her. Yes, my daughter. She's like, she was like one. I mean, after I had Christy, I would bring her to Left Rock and leave her with Miss A. Mm-hmm. And. You want a shot?

Relax. I was just playing. And Miss A was just an incredible woman. She was hardcore, though. Yes. She was hard on me. Oh, really? When I first started dating Kenny, she was like, who's this bitch? Oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about? You went too fast. Yeah, it's true. That was the first word she said? She was like, who is this bitch? Because she was very protective of her son. But by the way, you spit in the rail at the time.

It's not like you're like... Yes, she didn't care. She didn't care. I love this story. And so I was very intimidated by Miss A. I called her Miss A. Her name is Joan, but I called her Miss A. And she put me through the wringer to mess with her son.

I mean, I guess you should. Kids just can't have any woman rolling up in your home. And you was his first real relationship, right? I don't know that I was his first real relationship. I believe, as an outsider looking in, I believe it was. He was young. He was very young. He was like, come on, in his prime.

And he was like a superstar basketball player. Superstar. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, for him to just come from where he came from to, you know, just blowing up with all this money and all this, like, notoriety and just the fame, it was crazy. But back to Miss A. She was very protective and I will say our relationship really got established because she you know literally taught me like she was like you know I know I know you love my son

because I could have ran you off a long time ago girl like you know that is the gangsta that's gangsta I could have you know and but you stayed you know and you stayed and you, you know, we didn't work out. But our daughter, you know, we had our daughter. That was the purpose of it. God bless. God bless. And she, my daughter is so beautiful and so, like, the best part of us. Yeah.

Yeah. And although I just met her today, I swear to God, I feel like I know her. Yeah. Well, you might have seen her when she was really young. She used to come to Left Rec all the time. She was with Miss A. So, yeah, have seen her when she was really young. She used to come to Left Rec all the time. She was with Miss A. So, yeah, there it is. Okay.

So, our show is about giving people their flowers. From the beginning, we wanted to give you your flowers. We wanted to tell you face-to-face, woman to man, man to woman, that how much you mean to hip-hop. Oh, shoot. How much you mean to hip hop. How much you mean. Bitch is huge. And I one million percent

want you to know how much you feel mean to hip hop. How much you mean to us. How much you mean to the community. We one million percent understand your plight. We understand your struggle. we understand your struggle we understand your fight and we got your back and there's nothing in this world that's not going to stop us from doing that and we want to give you want to give you a flower wow this is huge thank you so much my heart is

real full from that because coming from where I came from and just always literally, you know, I dealt with a lot of doubt, the whole salt and pepper stuff. I doubted myself a lot. Right. It shook you up. But to get the love that I've been getting, regardless of all of that, it makes me feel again. You know, when you're kind of shot down for whatever reason, when you're shot down or when you feel that your worth is or you're deviled or any of that, you don't feel like you deserve, you know.

So to get this kind of love, I really appreciate y'all. Well, let me stop that not feeling deserved because this is your house this is built for you and I'm going to just tell you it's well deserved over here you are an icon you are a legend

and we are immortal fans over here immortal Norianism And we are immortal fans over here. Immortal. Norism. I don't think I ever used that word before. That just came out.

You're immortal for using it. So we're going to play a game real quick. Now we start. Okay. I ain't going to lie. I've been drinking. You've been drinking. But I didn't drink last episode.

And I saw Keith Murray. Did I tell you? You got to talk about that. You know me and Keith Murray had fake teeth. Oh, really? Uh-oh. Ooh, what happened with that? Then you were taking over the interview.

Okay, well, do tell. I'm at Fat Joe's concert and I feel somebody touching my leg right cause cause by the way I didn't go to Fat Joe's concert

to perform I went there to like be a fan right and just get the fuck out of here I was like yo I can't not leave I mean I gotta leave tomorrow

and they're like why I was like I gotta spend the brother I said I ain't missing this they're like okay cool

thank you I hear somebody I say I hear somebody I ain't missing this. They're like, okay, cool. Thank you. I hear somebody. I say I hear somebody. I felt somebody. With my leg. I turn around. It's a guy with a bandana, glasses, and a joint. And I look.

And I just see his eyes. I'm a key man. When I tell you, I didn't tell nobody around me I didn't say yo welcome me I just seen him I was like what's up Keith Murray

and he was like my heart my heart what what what what do you mean that's Keith test me if I'm lying he said my heart

and you know what I said my heart And you know what I said My heart I did too I said it back I ain't gonna lie My heart Because I want to Testament the hip hop

We had a misunderstanding He thought something about me Which I liked it. But it was false. He was like, no, he's Hollywood. He's different now. By the way, I don't get pedicures. Look at my shit.

Look at my, my nails is fucked up. I don't get pedicures. I should, I should though. But I seen them. We talked, we worked it out. They filmed it. They filmed it the whole time the whole time his people filmed it

and I never said don't film because I wanted this documented don't ever say that because Drink Chance we're for our legends man the thing about it is so many times in this game

people get 10 years or more and you know what they say they say you're washed up they say you're done right irrelevant do they say that in rock and know what they say? They say you're washed up. They say you're done. Irrelevant. Do they say that in rock and roll? Do they say that in jazz? Do they say that in heavy metal?

They only say, it's only us. It's only us. So we're going to change that fucking narrative. Right. If you take food from yesterday and you put it in the refrigerator

and you warm it up in the morning, guess what? It's better. It's better. It's been marinated. It's been marinated. That means it's been seasoned. Preserved. You young motherfuckers.

Judging the older people, you are a pizza who just came out the oven. It's too hot. You're too hot. Right. You're too hot. You have to cool the fuck off to enjoy the pizza. Right.

My friend Diego brought me a phenomenal pizza. It was too hot. Couldn't do nothing with it. Couldn't do nothing with it. I had to put salt on it and let it come a day, cabrón. And then after it cooled off, I enjoyed the pizza. So this is to all you young motherfuckers, you judging you. One of the dumbest shit you could say as a young person is you old motherfucker.

What? You're going to want to be old like me one day. That's the goal. Idiot. Right. The goal is not to die young. The goal is... To grow. To grow.

Right. Idiots. And guess what? I'm sorry. I had a moment. I don't know what happened. Let me add on to that. When someone says you're old, you're older too.

We're both old. Look, you're not going backwards. We're both going up together. It doesn't make sense to me. It's like, how am I old and you're not? We're both growing. So I don't get that. The whole irrelevant thing when people say you're irrelevant,

I'm like, to who? You? Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. You know what I love the renaissance of hip hop right now right now hip hop has grown so much

like I I can like book a vacation and Sir Mix-a-Lot would be on the fucking the cruise line like holy shit this is dope

like hip hop has evolved so much do you think that hip hop when you started, would, for lack of a better term, whack cliche, do you think that hip-hop would have came this far? This far? No, I didn't think about it. Me neither. It was not something I was thinking about. It was something I was doing.

So that was like the original question back in the days. Most of us artists who were first interviewed was asked the question, what are you going to do when this is over? And I could say for me, I'm like, I don't know nothing else.

So I'm just going to keep doing what I... It's at a wheels fault. Could that have played into the bad business? Not for seeing it you know yeah of course but look it won't happen again right experience is important so when you get older and talk about growing you grow with experience and these younger you know i feel i feel if they ain't watching and if they ain't learning you know they're to get hit hard I always think about the newer artists

the younger generation of artists they're going to need therapy eventually they're going to need therapy am I right or wrong? no they're not going to need therapy

they need therapy now we all need therapy though need therapy now Well yeah I mean once you come We all need therapy though Yeah we do But I Like especially for the young women It's not And I'm not just talking about MCs

I'm talking about I mean whoever The DJs Everything It's It's a lot To come through this And with social media

And with social media And we didn't have social media Like that So I just feel like Yeah Get a good therapist on deck this. And with social media. And with social media. And we didn't have social media like that. So I just feel like, yeah, get a good therapist on deck. On your team. Get a good therapist on your team. So let me ask you, because this has been a question

on my mind forever. How did you get the name Spinderella? Spinderella was given to me. Herbie. Herbie. Herbie. Herbie said, okay, now it's just so you know, I know you mentioned there was a Spinderella before me. Yes, there was a Spinderella before me. On the first Salt-N-Pepa album, Hot, Cool, and Vicious, there's a picture of another young lady. She was the first Spinderella. Cinderella. I don't, I can't say what the story was, but they were looking for another female DJ for their first major tour.

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I'm pretty sure she has But I, you know, I don't know I know there's a story Everybody has a story And is it true Wendy Williams also tried to audition to be the DJ? She says that too Wait, what? Wendy Williams?

What the fuck did you say? Yeah, Wendy Wendy wishes to be you? Not be me. She auditions to be a DJ. The Spinderella. Yes, yes. The Spinderella.

Really? So Herbie was looking for, originally what we said, he was looking for that Run DMC, Jam Master Jay, Houdini, you know. Right. Two MCs and a DJ. But as females. All I know is that when I auditioned, I got it. And females. All I know is that when I auditioned, I got it.

And that's all I know. That was hard. That's all I know. But yes, Herbie gave me the name. But there was a Spinderella from the early 80s. Okay, I can't say, but you know, give credit where credit is due. I can't say I made the name up. It's part of the story.

I'm a claiming this. I'm a collector of old shit. So I bought a Spinderella doll from like the early 70s. And it was her? No, it was a little white doll with blonde hair. And she was spinning on a spindle or whatever. And her name was Spinderella. That's where they got the name from?

I don't know. but I have that doll and I'm like wow and that's how old the name is that is documented and the first Spinderella, well the one that was before you, she comes out in one single or one vinyl

she appears on that first album that's crazy One single or one vinyl that I have. She appears on that first album. Right. Yeah. That's crazy. Are you ready to do Thomas Live? I can't say what happened there because I'm not ready to their situation. And still, when you get in, it's 30 plus years.

Yeah. And all the success because Push It hadn't come out yet. Push It came out when I got there. Right when you got. Yeah. We did the video for it we shot the video as a matter of fact the story is we were doing we were on that tour and we were on the wipeout tour is the fat boys heavy d and the boys salt and pepper dana dane and clark kent dj clark kent was it. And we weren't doing Push It. And then they were like, I guess some DJ in either Hawaii or the Bay played Push It and it just got viral. It caught fire.

Because it was a B-side of a record, right? It was the B-side of Tramp. Tramp. Tramp! Yes. That you called me? Wow. And then they were like, you got to play Push It.

And I was like, all right. They gave me the vinyl, and I dropped Push It. And it was like, ah! And we really didn't want to do that song. We thought it was a parody. We was like, uh. A parody to what? Well, not a parody, but we thought it was like a funny, like a, what's the word?

Just being fun. Right. Like fun, not parody, but something, you know, funny. We didn't think that at all. Well, we did. You guys didn't think it was a serious hip hop record for you guys? We didn't, as in Salt-N-Pepa, Cinderella. And then Herbie, well, these are things you wanted to know and then

Herbie you know was like he was really behind the song he wanted it so it was like we gotta do

we gotta do Push It let's you know test it do you realize do you realize how many movies Push It is in

it's in a few huh every time it's such a big record. I'll watch a movie and I'll be like, oh, shoot. So is that one of your discrepancies?

Because I ain't going to lie to you. This is full discrepancy. It's full... Disclosure? Disclosure. That's what I meant. Every time I hear Super Thug played in a movie,

I get nothing. You got to get your check. I don't get nothing. You gotug played in a movie I get nothing you gotta get your check I don't get nothing you gotta get your check I get it next year next year is my 25 and it reverts to him I could have bought it back

oh okay I have what is it called residuals to do it to buy it but that's like if I wait

till March I get it back for free and then I could do business with these people. So I'm going to wait. But I look at, like I saw Entourage, the movie. And then my record came on and everybody's like, hey, congratulations. And I'm looking at them like, I didn't even know this shit was in there. But I'm not going to tell them that because I don't want them to know actually my business.

When you hear Push It, do you feel like that? Well, I'm not a writer on Push It. You was a part of the session. I'm a performer. Salt-N-Pepa performed that song before I joined them.

They recorded it before I joined them. It just hadn't hit It just hadn't been Right It started to hit When I came in And we played it in the show Then it started to blow up

But when you're on the song And when you're writing on a song Or when you produce a song That's when you should be able To collect on that You know What a man is a different story What a man What a man What a What a man, what a man.

What a man, what a man. If you hear what a man on a commercial or anything, that's a check. It made me want to be a better man. That's a check. That's a huge hit too. Let's talk about sex is another one. Huge. Let's stick with what a man though. Okay. Y'all in the studio, what happens? How does this magic

work? Oh my God. Well, I know how it worked for me. Um, they would do their own recording and then they would call me in and I would do mine. So everybody's kind of a separate and then pieced together. Mmm. Yeah. Everybody would be separate and pieced together. That particular song was done and I, done, and it's been so long.

Yeah, it would just be like, if I recorded on a song, it'd be like, Dee Dee, can you come in at 7 o'clock? Sorry, you said Dee Dee? My name is Dee Dee. I love that. But they called you Dee Dee? Yeah. They didn't call you Spender?

Yeah, they called me Dee Dee. I call him't call you Spender Yeah they called me Didi I call him Cheryl I still call him We call Pepper Sandy We call each other By our first names I don't think you never

Called me Victor neither When we get pissed We call each other By first names I call you Buckle I say Buckle You can't call me Buckle That's how you know

You know somebody You know Yeah we call each other But yes It went like that When it was time to record That's how you know you know somebody. Yeah, we call each other. But yes, it went like that when it was time to record. And I know when I started doing it, I didn't really know that I had the talent of rapping. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know.

I was just like, all right, whatever. I was just DJing, doing my thing. And then Herbie would call me in and be like, come do the song. Oh, you sound good on that. Come do this one. Come do this one. And so that's how it went. It was like. And you were writing your own stuff.

I wrote, but I can't say I wrote What a Man. Okay. Uh-uh. The songs that I produced for Salt-N-Pepa, I wrote on. Got it. I'm going to fish today. I'm sorry. Yeah.

That's incredible. Quick time of slide. You explain her the rules. The rules. Okay. pepper I wrote on. I'm going to go to the fish today. That's incredible. Quick time of slime. Can you explain her the rules? The rules. Is this a game? This is our drinking game. Oh shit. You should have told me that before I started drinking. I'm going to be honest with you.

I said it earlier, but she has the wildest drink order in Drink Champs history. I do? I'm not lying? She's top three. I just don't think she mentioned all of that at once. What y'all say? That's why he took it. When we said the drink, he's like,

what did she want? Vodka, Henny, Ace, what was the other thing? No, no, no. Tequila. Yo, yo, yo. Wake up, brother. What's the four orders? He said, who, me? Yo, listen, man. What's the full order? He said, who, me?

Yo, listen, man. I know you're single and shit and you're trying to get somebody to go with you to Turks, but chill out. Her order was vodka, Hennessy,

not cognac. No, not cognac. That's what threw me off. I was like, most people say cognac and like, they will say any, she said, you said Hennessy. Hennessy is on my rider. off. I was like, most people say cognac and like, they will say any, she said,

you said Hennessy. Hennessy is on my rider. No, I was like, I was like, spending right over on the fight. No, my rider.

We call Hennessy fighting juice. Hennessy is fighting juice. Hennessy is on my rider. That's like, it's like Hennessy privilege though. It has to be privilege. See, we didn't get the privilege sign.

Yeah, nobody wrote that. Okay, so vodka, Hennessy, whiskey, and tequila. By the way, I was asked a question, I'm going to be honest, sis.

I was asking a question. What do you drink? I said I drink all of that. Sis, when I see this order, I was like, it's going down. Me, husband. You got a drink, babe? Yes, please. Come on.

Husband, get your ass a drink, man. Okay. Christy, you want a drink? My daughter wants a drink. Would you mind? Yes, please. Okay, I'm ready for the game. Okay, lety, you want a drink? My daughter wants a drink. Would you mind? Yes, please. Okay, I'm ready for the game. Okay, let's go.

Actually, before we start, I want to say happy birthday to Kayla. It's her 21st birthday. That's Charlie's daughter. Shout out to her. I told her this would be a great episode for her to come. Such a good role model to be here. Okay, Leo. Leo season.

Hey. Wait, all right. So Leo goes and then Virgo is after, right? Yeah, I guess. You're next, aren't you? Are you Virgo? Yeah, I'm Virgo. Hey. Wait, all right. So Leo goes and then Virgo's after, right? Yeah, I guess. You're next, aren't you? Are you Virgo? Yeah, I'm Virgo. Okay.

My daughter's a Virgo. You're a Virgo? What's your date? Is that you? And he kept saying, we related. Wait, he is stuck. And you said September 6th. September 6th? But he is stuck. He's weirded out now. What?

Look at that. Look at that. I think he thinks when he saw you in Love Fracture. I decided to have a baby on his birthday. Come on, they're twins. That's why he said I got a connection with her. But they're literal twins.

Birthday twins. How cool is that? Me, you, and Foxy Brown. Real Foxy? Foxy says I'm a text tool. Shout out Foxy, man. We need her on here. Yeah, we need Foxy on here.

Oh, God, please let me know when I have her. I fucked up my childhood and resonated my manhood at the same time. Okay, so will you explain the rules?

Try to. Oh, there's this... I ain't gonna lie... No, you gotta stop. No more, no more, no more. You gotta stop talking. No more. I ain't gonna let you do it.

I ain't gonna let you resonate. Emancipate. I ain't gonna let you do none of this stuff, man. No, I ain't gonna lie. Don't talk no more. September 6th, she just came it. I ain't going to let you resonate. Emancipate. I ain't going to let you do none of this stuff, man. I ain't going to lie. Don't talk no more. September 6th, she just came out. I know.

That's wild. That's wild. That's fucking wild. She had no idea. I'm looking. I'm like. It still went. We're going to give you two choices.

And this is not to pin anybody against each other. It's just random two choices that these guys over here came up with. And we would like to drink. Yeah. And if you pick one, nobody drinks. But if you say both of them or neither of them, which would be the PC answer. Say it again. If I pick one.

If you pick one, nobody drinks. Nobody drinks. And if you don't pick, we drink. As in all of us. Basically. All of us. We all drink together. We're all going to get drunk at the same time.

I'm going to pick one. Don't worry. And if you have stories with anybody please elaborate and it's whatever the reasoning your mind is what would be the reason of choosing one one over the other one might be more a friend of yours

you might like their music more it's whatever it is I love how she's never been in the resource room you see how she she was assessing let's be clear she was very clear she's never been in the resource room. You see how she's... She was assessing... No, no, no. She's like... Let's be clear.

She's very clear. Like, how is... You can tell that she's very smart. All right. By the way, all of our other guests, it's not Ben. Uh-oh. All right, first one is,

Primo or Pete Rock? Pete Rock. And I love Primo. Okay, so Pete Rock. So, oh so oh yeah i used to date eddie f eddie f was heavy d and the boys when it's when i would go to eddie f's house heavy d would come over they would you know do their recording whatever pete rock would always be come coming over to They're all in Mount Vernon. And Pete Rock was like a kid. And I was a kid, but it was like, we both were young and just kind of watching Heavy D and the boys develop and do their thing or whatever. And Pete would be there, just messing around with the drum machine,

Eddie F's drum machine and stuff like that. So that's like a brother to me. But you picked Primo. She said P-Rock? I said Primo is my boy, but for me it's P-Rock. Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? Let's take a shot. Hey man, no leading the witness, brother.

I just want a drink. I like Boba Bum. And I love Boba Bum, I should say. I just came from new york funk flex or dj clue cheers what what do i say i don't know to say nothing. You drinking, that says enough. All right. Lady of Rage or Yo-Yo?

Oh, shit. I love both of them. This is not fair. This is the name of the game. We're trying to get you drunk. This is where it all goes down. I'm going to make a decision. Okay, see, some people do this. That's a strategy. Yo is where it all goes down. I'm going to make a decision.

Okay. See, some people do this. That's a strategy. Yo-Yo's my Leo sister. And Leo's before Virgo, right? Leo's before Virgo. Leo's before Virgo. Y'all said facts or relax? Hold out, Virgos.

We're still here. I'm going to say Yo-Yo. Okay. So no drinking. No drinking. All right. And Rage is going to actually be on that TV. She has a new movie coming out.

Y'all know about that? The Miss Cleo one? Yes. Didn't it come out? I don't know if it's out yet. Rage is going to be Miss Cleo? Miss Cleo, yes. I saw a clip.

She looks fire. Rage is going to be Miss Cleo. I'm so excited for her. I want to be a part of that. We need both of them on Dream Chats, by the way. I want to watch the movie. Excuse me. All right, next one.

JJ Phat or Oaktown 357? Oh, Oaktown 357. Really? Okay. Because Sweet LD is my girl, and she lives in Dallas. We live in Dallas, so she comes in. We hang out. Did you guys tour with Hammer and them?

Yes, we did. That must have been crazy. Honey, Hammer. Did you guys tour With Hammer and them? Yes we did That must have been Crazy shit Honey Hammer Did you just call Did you just say honey? Honey

That's old school shit right there Listen here Let me tell you about Hammer I'm going to start calling Niggas honey Your honey Let me tell you about Hammer Hammer was put on

Like he was When we were on that tour The wipe Was it the wipe tour? It might have been I don't know if it was The wipe out tour Or the other tour

But Hammer would be When we would come To the west coast Hammer would open that tour, the white, was it the white tour? It might have been, I don't know if it was the white ball tour or the other tour, but Hammer would be, when we would come to the West Coast, Hammer would open. By the end of the tour, Hammer was closing. So, I mean, because he was that man, he was that dope. Wait, when you started on his side, he was opening?

He was opening. And then by the end, he was closing. So he had on skinny jeans, and then at the end, he had on them baggy jeans. No, he had on the baggy jeans. He never had on skinny jeans. He had on the baggy jeans. He had on the hammer pants the whole time, though. Oh, yeah.

He had on the big hammer pants the whole time. He was official performer. Yeah, because he was dancing. That's why he wore those pants. One of the best performers, period. Right. No, his energy was wild. Energy.

I mean, his dancers and Sweet LD from 357 was one of them. I used to be on the side of the stage like, oh my God. They were so energetic. They had like 100 people on stage. Who wants to go on after Hammer? This was our train of thought back then. Nobody wanted to go on after Hammer, so yeah. Hammer! Hammer! He's a legend. Hammer!

They put me in the mix. I don't even know what the fuck that meant. I was like, that's hard. It's hard. They put you in the mix you mtv raps or rap city rap city okay any rap city stories i've never been on rap city what oh no you picked rap city i picked rap In my mind, you said MTV Rap. But I used to love watching it.

I mean, I loved, you know, I loved The Basement. I loved, you know, that was my era. How about your MTV Rap Stories? Now, I know you've been around there. We were one of the first artists. That's right. At Love and Dr. Dre. At Love and Dr. Dre.

And Fat Five Freddy. Yes, yes. The Fat Five was first and then the Love and Dr. Dre. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, and we were on Fat Five's show. Okay, wow. So, yeah. The Fat Pop was first and then the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, and we were on Fat Fry's show. Okay, wow. So, yeah. Tell us about that.

We were like hip-hop's darlings, I don't know. Right. Salt-N-Pepa. And they would call us, you know. But MTV, you know, they loved on us. So, we were a part of that earlier stage of hip-hop being on Yo! MTV. It was an important show. Yeah.

So let me ask you, this is a little off topic because we're still on Quick Time Islam, but you knew Tupac, correct? Yes, I met Tupac, yeah. Met him. I can't say I knew him, but he had a thing for salt. So your memory of Tupac was you seeing him and him saying to you, We're salt. We're salt.

We're your girl. Like that type of thing. But yeah, he was in the Whatta Man video. Right. That was like. He had the hair and bone. I don't know. Did he?

The chain. Okay, no, I get what you're saying. I don't remember. I'm just like, your memory of that is insane. Yeah, he did have a chain on now. Think about it. That's right. But he was turned.

His body was turned. They wouldn't show his face. It was some political shit. Really? Okay, this is after he came home from jail. Yeah. And he was, according to, I don't know if it was him. He had an issue with it because he wasn't shown in the video, the Whatta Man video.

He was mad that he wasn't shown. Right. But it had something to do, it was, I don't know. You do know. You do know. I'm not sure. I mean, I can't say because it's like, it's. You're not sure?

Is this the prime of the East Coast, West Coast beef? No. No, it's not. No, no, no. This was. No, no, I'm not saying no. Tupac was considered... Your no was way too aggressive.

Tupac was considered a bad boy. And it was like Stone Pepper was good girls. It was like having a bad boy and a good girl together. But Tretch was in that same video. Yeah, but it was like Tupac was like a bad boy, you know. And... He shot the police. Yeah, I think this was around that time. I think it was around that time. Yeah, he shot the police I think this was around that time I think it was around that time

yeah he shot the police it was some issues around that but I was like shit show him it's like fucking Tupac you know that's pop but yeah he was real sweet when I met him so yeah

but he was interested in assault she's such a class act man what i'm like a therapist you want me to tell some stuff i'm like of course he wants you to yeah but i'm like a therapist and i can analyze people and i'm just telling you you're a a class act. I really appreciate you. So you know. You didn't expect anything less, though. You know what?

You're right. I didn't expect anything less. Continue to the next question. Trina or Eve? The way you said that. These are hard. And I love both of them. I'm going to have to drink.

Yeah, enjoy the show. Because I can't say, I can't say, you know. The bar's open. I'm trying to see what stories I have for both, but, you know,

I have respect for both, so. Do you have any stories with any one of them? You got to take the shot, though. I did. No, no. Yeah. It's called drink champs,

not sip champs. Jamie, you can make your shots a little smaller. You have the illest drink order ever? Huh? Okay, how many more questions do we got? That's the question. We got quite a few. Okay, that's why I'm taking my time.

Oh, we've been having fun. I am not a champ. I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not a champ. No, but your drink order is a champ. Like, when I looked at it, I was like, oh my God. Tequila, whiskey, vodka, and what's the other one? It's the third one. Tequila.

Tequila. I said tequila. Tequila, whiskey, vodka. Hennessy. And Hennessy. Hennessy. Privileged. This is what scared me.

I said it earlier, but she said Hennessy. People usually say cognac. When you say Hennessy, that means you are in a fight. Everybody who drinks Hennessy finds out what the fuck. It don't do that for me. It doesn't do that for me. So Hennessy calms you down? No way. No.

When I drink Hennessy, I'm going to rock a motherfucking party. I know that. But yeah, it was on my rider. I don't even drink it like that anymore. This is Fad Joe FaceTime. Let's see if you pick up. Yeah, every time we film it. It doesn't be on Drink Chance.

Let's see. Yo! We got Spinderella. We got Spinderella. We got Spinderella on drink. All right, you got the green bottle. I used to say, all right. Happy birthday. Yeah.

Hey, congratulations, Joe. Hold on. Say hi to Spinderella. Say hi to Spinderella. Hey, Joe. I'm good. In here with the antics right now. The shenanigans.

You're one of the greatest DJs to ever live. Part of a group. They can never be duplicated. Nobody can duplicate that. And the woman power that you have is unbelievable. I've been on shows with you guys. We're hitting 10,000 people and it's been 9,900 women. Right.

I've never seen that nowhere else. Yeah, we got the women lot. We got the women lot. Thank you, y'all. Thank you, bro. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm going to be honest with you.

Don't be dishonest. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Listen, I flew up for Joe. He's getting the key to the city. So I flew up, but I wouldn't miss this for nothing. Really? I really, really want to give you flowers.

I really want you to know how important you are to hip-hop. And your legacy, I'm not saying your legacy with Salt-N-Pepa, I'm saying your legacy by yourself. Because you have a legacy just like me and EFN. EFN has a legacy

with me, then I have a legacy with Capone, and then I have a legacy up here. Then EFN has a legacy with me, then he has a legacy up Capone, and then I have a legacy up here. Then EFN has a legacy with me, then he has a legacy up here. Everybody's got their own journey. And I'm talking about your journey. And in case you don't know this,

it's my job to reiterate this and tell you how important you are to our community. Our I wanted to say how important you are to our community. Our, I wanted to say Illuminati, but then we were like,

kind of like this guy. I don't know about that. Our fraternity. You're right. Is it fraternity appropriate? That's better than Illuminati. Is it fraternity? Is it fraternity? I wouldn't say Illuminati

because I don't know anything about that. Community. You're good with community. Community. Keep it simple. And culture. I'm trying to be smarter than I am. I wouldn't say Illuminati because I don't know anything about that. You're good with community. Community? Keep it simple. And culture. I'm trying to be smarter than I am. Okay.

I feel you, though. But I really, really love the way that you paved for our generation. Is that cool? Thank you. Not community. Generation is better? That works. Okay.

Before we continue, I just want to let y'all know because I kept saying, I remember this concept of me coming on here. It had to be a couple of years now. And I was like, I don't think I'm ready.

I don't think I'm ready. I kept saying, I'm not ready. I don't know, you know. And I don't know what made it different this time. I guess it was like, you know what? Fuck it.

Just have fun. Yeah, just come have fun. Because I always feel like I have to have some shit going on other than, you know. This is your plan. Your legacy. Conversation is important to me. And you guys have made me feel very warm today. Thank you.

I just wanted you to be very comfortable. I don't want to have to, like, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm working. I'm still working, everybody. But I love that you guys are just like,

let's have a good conversation. And all our quirks, we're just talking. I have a good conversation, but let's also give you flowers because I'm going to be honest with you.

I am an artist. I'm not a DJ. But artists and DJs, we're always like, oh, we'll do this shit if we wouldn't get no money. And some of us are liars. We wouldn't do this if we was getting no money. But then the ones that are doing this if we was getting no money. But then the ones that are doing it, we should be saluted

because it's a horrible job. You can never take your face off. You can never go to UPS and send a package and say, I'm not spending a dollar no more. There's somebody back there named Brian that's going to be like, oh, I'm not Spinner Roller no more. There's somebody back there named Brian

that's going to be like, oh, I love it. I know her. I know her. And that shit deserves to be warranted. Like, you can't like, EFN is my friend. I know he hates fame. I can, I know it.

He never said it to me. He's never said it. He's never said, you know, I don't I know he hates fame I can I know he never said it to me he's never said it he's never said you know I don't I know he hates fame but we can't fight it thing is we are who we are yeah let's go back cause it's a long time with slime

fuck I done took the wrong part of the rope I done picked up the fire Alright Raw Bass or Father MC Raw Bass And rest in peace Easy Rock Yes Raw Bass

I was on tour with Raw Bass He has a great stage show Everybody Missy or Lauryn Hill Oh my god I love both of them but i'm gonna say missy she's not drinking anymore she's like i'm saying i'm gonna say no but it's true i love i mean i love lauren hill but i i gotta say missy missy is my like i look up to missy like oh my god she's beyond just hip-hop she's beyond just you know a female artist. She's iconic.

Now, that's iconic to me. And her talent is just... And her show right now is phenomenal. I know. I haven't gotten to it. I haven't gotten to it. I've been doing my thing, but yeah. Busta, Missy, and Ciara's all on tour.

Wow. Your Busta definitely told me about myself yesterday. Yeah, shout out to Missy. Nigga, you ain't coming to my tour. Let me leave that alone. I want to. It's still going, though. No, they only got two more days.

Oh, they do? Yeah. Beastie Boys or Fat Boys? Fat Boys. Any stories with either of them? Yeah, the Fat Boys, oh my God. That was the first major tour Salt-N-Pepa Spinderella Went on Fat Boys

Salt-N-Pepa That's what the When I auditioned for Salt-N-Pepa Was for that tour The Fat Boys tour And my first show Was Salt-N-Pepa My first show

Was Salt-N-Pepa Let me have a drink Please Let's go You want a shot or a drink? I'm just I'm a drink with you I'm a drink with you

I'm a drink with you Cheers Come on let's go My first My first show with Salt and Pepper, Salt and Pepper had to do a song called I Desire. And all I had to do was drop I Desire. And it went like this. We're on a mission.

This ain't all the opposition emcees. This my butt you're kissing because I desire. And I didn't drop it. Oh, I did not drop. I did not drop it. I was so scared. I was like,

cause this is the first tour you're on. It's the first show I've ever shown. The first tour on the first tour, which was fat boys tour. And why was everybody on the side, Heavy D and the boys, the Fat Boys, cracking up.

Oh, they knew that you dropped the ball. Well, they saw that. I mean, that's a big part. But the crowd didn't know. The crowd didn't know. The crowd didn't know. And Stone Pepper did really well in covering it. They was like,

I desire, you desire, spin, you desire. I was like, I don't desire. I don't desire to be here. I desire to be back at school. I want to go home. Take me back to math class. And eventually we got off the stage.

Well, I got to drop the song, but I was done after that. And on the side, the Fat Boys, Marky D. Rest in peace. With Kowalski and Buff. Rest in peace. Buff. We need to be Kowalski here. The other one is Diesel now. Kowalski.

We need him to come on the show, man. They was cracking up on the side. And at that point, I was like, I want to go home. I said, I don't want to be Spinderella no more. I don't care. And I know the first show, though. This is your first show. And I know they had jokes.

They did. They laughed so hard. It was so bad. It was so bad. But we got through it. They didn't laugh no more after that because somehow I figured it out and I dropped it on point and look where we

got there. So we don't have to drink to that. Jam Master J or Dr. Dre? Rest in peace. Stories? He was just a real cool dude. I got to be around him in his uh in his space when he was producing um my boy stanley brown who was a producer i don't know if you guys who know

stanley is he's a big time producer um brought me to he was producing with Jam Master Jay when Jay was doing his stuff. And brought me around to some of the sessions or whatever. And I just got to see him at work. So, yeah. I'm just, he's one of my favorites. Jam Master Jay. The blueprint. Okay.

For me. Right. And you have your own academy, right? Like. Well, no, I did some clinics. I didn't have an academy. I wanted to, but I didn't get to get it off the ground. But yes, I do.

I do spin clinics every so often. Yeah. That's dope. Spin clinics. I want to support you. DJ clinics. Rakim or Karis one? That's hard.

Take a shot Wait for us She's just so gangster Y'all really going in Alright Serato or turntables Why would you say turntables Serato or vinyl

Serato or vinyl Vinyl Because you're going to use ser you say turntables? That was right. Serato or vinyl? Nah, Serato or vinyl? Vinyl. Because you're going to use Serato on turntables, guys. Vinyl. Okay. Vinyl. Okay, alright, hold on. I'm a collector of vinyl, so yeah, it's vinyl. Yeah, to my detriment. This is one of my favorite DJs of all

times. And since it went digital, he's not DJs. Really? I mean, a DJ in my office, my studio. Over exaggerated? I've done some gigs, but I stopped doing what I was doing, how active I was before.

I didn't do the transition. I'm a DJ ear fan. The DJ. Like one of my parties or my get togethers. And I don't think he knows that. It was a different thing to me. The culture of vinyl DJing, going through the records quickly,

knowing just by the artwork really quick, grabbing the record, the label, and it's just a whole different thing. It's gone for you. Now, I don't miss carrying the crates. I still have a lot of my records. Well, is it gone for you? I mean, you don't do it anymore at all?

At the crib, in the office, in the studio. Do you know vinyl is making a comeback? No, no. I have all my vinyl. No, I have all my records and I still spin it. I still do mixes that I put out. Thank you. And people hit me up to gig.

I don't know if you know about that. No, people hit me to gig. I don't know if you know about that No people hit me to gig I just know I know like for example We have Dante's here in Wynwood That's all vinyl but yeah Are you going to do a set? Yeah You got to do it and if you do it I'm going to do one

If you do it I And if you do it, I'm gonna do one. Oh, there you go. If you do it, I'll be a guest on it. Oh, we're doing it together. They've called me to do it. I should have probably reached out to them since I'm here this time, but they did reach out to me to get me to do it. So I don't do a lot of vinyl sets. I used to do this thing called Fresh 45s, where me and my DJ crew in Dallas would come together every, once, one Thursday out of a month, and we would just play all 45s. And it is the best shit ever. And nothing has been as rewarding as that feeling of playing vinyl. After you do these parties and use the technology, which I love, you know, I get paid that way's when it's when vinyl plays for me it's just different it's just different yeah so the fact that you are a collector and you still have all your

vinyl you should be definitely that's just me well Dante's you heard rich medina who's a part of Dante's rich give me a call yeah JT Donaldson give me a call let me know never been more quiet been more quiet. I'm bringing EFN. We're going to get on something together. I'm going to bring a bag. I want my friend. And I'm not going to make eye-to-eye contact with him. But I like my friend, DJ EFN. I've never called him Eric in my life.

And I'm never going to call him Eric. And I don't care. I actually did. I don't even like when y'all call me EFN. Hold't use hold on hold on i did use i was using tractor with him i did a one of my last things that i was doing was i tour dj with him okay we did canada remember i did use tractor on that okay yeah but that's a i was like i don't like it no yeah you don't like serato either no it's just different for me it's different he's a vinyl guy guy. But let me ask you this as a DJ. People like him.

All right. He has Drake champs. He has all this other things going on. But what happens to a DJ that's like him that says, I only want to do vinyl? There's plenty of places to do vinyl here. No, it has made a resurgence. It's a feeling. So when you...

It's coming back, you said? But how about then? When it just happened? Like then, then, like... When you say then, what's then? Like I'm talking about, you know... Before. Before it came back.

When you got that feeling. Yeah, no, what happened to the vinyl? Listen, one of my last gigs, I went to Orlando to do a gig. Boris was with me. I don't know where Boris is at. I go to the club. Everybody's on Serato.

Then it goes, now I'm going to go with my vinyl set. And I brought my mixer. And for them to switch, everybody looked at me like, you ruined the party right now. I get you. That's the hardest thing to do. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You do not believe that mixing vinyl with a regular tech, you know, like controllers and hardware, whatever, goes together for some reason. I feel like if you're going to do a vinyl situation, stick with that vibe.

If you're going to do utilize the technology in any kind of way, do that vibe because it is two different sounds. And audience wise, they're probably going to want to either this or that that's just how i feel about it right so um and no shade to because like for example my boy dj craze i think is one of the best djs in the world he utilizes he was dope on vinyl and he's even better using the technology so and i do both too. I just feel like I don't know if I would want to do at the same time. So my daughter's DJing now and me and her

are going to do a mom and me party. Oh, that's dope. A mom and me. Where's that at? She has a residency in Dallas. She has a few residencies in Dallas.

And she has her own night. Where's the mom and me residency? Mom and me is like she's going to bring her mom so I can DJ with her. But what date? Where's the mom and me Mom and me is like She's gonna bring her mom So I can DJ with her But what date What's the date babe August 31st

August 31st in Dallas It's called Lady Love It's a spot she does And she rocks parties I think I could make that You would come Yeah Okay

Yes that's That's the idea Is for me to dj but i'm like do i use vinyl can i use vinyl and she you know she used she used her can you use mine i asked her if i can use that for her party yeah so it's it'll be dope but i don't know she uses the um technology and me using vinyl i'm not sure how that's going to work. Have four turntable setups. Like two different setups. But still, remember

me doing vinyl and her doing CDJs is one thing. Actually, we're working tomorrow. Me and her are playing Live tomorrow. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Me and my daughter's playing Live tomorrow. What day is tomorrow? Tomorrow is Thursday.

Let's quick time with slime. I've been living a rough life. All right, where we at? Yeah, the next one. Oh, this is a good one. Jazzy Joyce or Coco Chanel? Take a shot? No.

Thank you. Joyce. Okay. She's the blueprint too. Yeah. Most of the time when you mention the pivotal DJ, female DJs, you're going to say Joyce, Spinderella and Coco Chanel. Yeah. As in there's so many female DJs out there, but, um, that tier Joyce,

I met Joyce, um, on one of those earlier tours and she was so, I didn't know who she was and Jazzy Joyce and Eddie F was my boyfriend at the time. And he goes, and I got jealous cause he was talking to Joyce. And I was like, and you know, I was like, who's that? Who are you talking to? And I had an attitude with him. And he was like, that's fucking Jazzy Joyce. A legend.

And I was like, oh shit. I had never really met anybody that does what I do. And it was her. That's crazy. Goddamn, big up Jazzy Joyce. Big up Jazzy Joyce. We're ready to bring her over Red Alert or Kid Capri?

Shit Why y'all doing this? Light skin shit for this Who did this? These guys over here Respect to both I'm going to take a drink on that I've been waiting to take a shot

She getting sober over here. All right. EPMD or naughty by nature? I'm going to say naughty by nature. Any stories? Because Tress was dating Pepper. Is that the story? I'm sorry.

I made that up. I made that up. No, you didn't make that up. I've been around them a lot. I'll say that. Okay, we'll leave it at that. I've been around them once. I'm like a half a therapist.

So when she said it, she's like, been around them. And you can just see her thoughts. You can just see it you didn't see that she was just thinking about everything I'm looking at her like don't you have no more drinks over here

yes I'm gonna I'm picking somebody don't worry somebody getting picked no but I'm looking at you and you thinking about like you just

oh there's tons and tons of stories and thoughts, trust me. Of Pepper and Tretch. Or just period. Just period. Just period. Just period. Do you, do you, do you, do you, um, I'm sorry.

I know we're on time. You're not sorry. My brother DJs. My brother is DJing for Tretch right now. Oh, really? Yes. So Tretch is out on the road doing, you know. Yes, he is. Doing his thing. Well, Submerge July, um, Tone. Yep. Who? Oh, where? Yes. So, Tretch is out on the road doing, you know, doing his thing.

Submerge July, Tone. Yep. Who? Oh, Tone Loke? Tone Loke, yeah,

yeah. I went to the tour. Oh, that's my brother DJing behind Tretch. That's dope. Yeah, I went to the tour.

DJ Born, shout out DJ Born. DJ Born. Do we take a shout for DJ Boy? Yeah. I feel like that. It's Warren. And it's his birthday too.

I got you. You're like. No, no, no. I got to. Prep up, right? All right. Analog or digital? Ooh.

I mean, which is kind of like what we already talked about. Analog. That's where we already talked about Analog That's where my heart is Analog Alright Cool Herc or DJ Hollywood Oh wow Well give it up for Herc Cause hip hop is here because of him

So I'm gonna say Herc So I don't have to drink And we on the 51st Anniversary Exactly That's crazy Alright the source of XXL Yeah, you ain't got a drink. And we on the 51st anniversary. Exactly. No, that's crazy. All right.

The source or XXL? I'm going to say the source because I was at that show when Snoop was like, New York ain't got no love. I was there. That's a moment. That was a huge moment. I was there. I saw him when Suga was on that stage.

How was the energy in that room? Oh my god, it was crazy We was like this Salt-N-Pepa and me was like this It's finna go down It's finna go down It was rough The Source Awards itself was rough Oh yeah, back then I remember

It was entertaining but it was rough But it was so important at that time. It was. But you saw it when the beefs were happening, and you just knew something was going to go down. It's the first time people are seeing each other. There was no social media, so this is where they're going to see each other at. Yeah. I had to try.

Yeah. Okay. He tries to give me heroin all the time. No, thank you. Grandmaster Flash or Grandmaster Theodore? Oh, wow. Respect to both of them. I'm moving.

Take a shot. Yo, yo, yo. That's good. This is the drink shit right here. Yeah, yeah. Is this why we say drink champ? That's right. Solo.

And drink champ, just so you know what it means, it's not how bad you get tonight. It's how you wake up in the morning. If you can function the next day That's the drink champ You can pass out right now But as long as you wake up in the morning to work

By the way, I just want to throw this out there Because, you know, my flight was delayed So I'm looking and I'm like Weren't you on a private? My shit's delayed I was on somebody else's private I'm not on theirs I'm not on there. I'm not on my shit.

So they said, I said, Spinner Brother has something to do after this? Yeah, that's what they called it. Because it's your drink order. He's obsessed with your drink list. He's like, how could she have something to do after? We're drinking with the best of them now.

I'm like, wait a minute. She ordered vodka. Where's she going after this? That's what he said. That's exactly what he said. Hennessy. He said, I don't think she'd go anywhere after that. Whiskey.

And tequila. I was like, I put those all four combinations together. And Ace. That? Ace. You got to give her some Ace. You want to pop an Ace? Not really.

Okay. I can take one with me, though. No, of course you can. Okay. You can take as much as you want with you. Because you know why? You want to pop an ace? Not really. I can take one with me, though. No, of course you can't. You can take as much as you want with you. Because you know why? You want some ace, babe? Okay. You can't.

No. He's like, wink. Because our show is your show. I just want you to know that. One million percent. If you want to promote pink lemon seals. I was going to say toenails this time. I was trying to change it up.

We have a woman here. You don't want to say toenails. I mean, is this normal, though? Is this normal? All of this right here? No, no, no. The drinks or the talking? No, no, no.

Just all of this. The drinks is normal. The drinks is normal. This is part of the course. Let me just say something. The love is not. Okay. This love that but let me just say something. The love is not. Okay. This love that we have for you,

we are so excited. We were so excited that you accepted to come to us. Yeah. And tell your story. I can't believe that you guys feel that way. We are fucking, I'm about to say a word

that I don't know what it means. Just say it, man. A stack's a great hit. We might have to make a word that I don't know what it means. Just say it, man. Astaxicated. We might have to make a drink chance vocabulary book. Astaxicated. Astaxicated. Astaxicated. I like it.

Let's use it. Yes. Yes. Are you ecstaticated? Yes. Let's go. Let's go to the next one. Buckwild or Diamond D?

Shout out D-I-T-C. Okay, Buckwild or Diamond D. Okay out DIT secret Okay, Buck Wilde or Diamond D Okay, Digging in the Crate's Diamond D I just actually reached out to Diamond D Because he did this I feel like he did this compilation That I was looking for Yeah, he put out an album

He put out some stuff, right? Yeah And I've been looking for it And I found out it was him And I reached out to him So I'm going to say Diamond D Okay This is very easy

Podcast or radio? Today is National Radio Day. Is it true? Is it today or was it yesterday? Or was it yesterday? You guys should know. It's around here somewhere. No, we're a podcast.

We want to know about Radio Day. I used to do radio. I used to do radio. I was on a radio. You were on for a while. Yeah, I did. I was on a radio. I had my own syndicated radio show back in 2006.

And it was called the Backspin. Spin Cycle Radio. And then I changed it to the Backspin. So I'm going to say radio. Okay. Not mad at that. Really mad. A Tribe Called Quest or De La Soul?

Tribe Called Quest. Oh, you fast. And I love De La Soul. Shit, I'm drinking. Sorry. Hold on. Wait for Shit, I'm drinking. Sorry. Hold on. Wait for us. I'm sorry.

Salud. It's not tasting good anymore. It's getting harsher. It's getting harsher. Yeah. We're actually close. We're close. Okay.

I see the end. Help. Lil' Kim or Remy Ma? Oh, wow. This is hard. Jesus. I'm going to say Lil' Kim because, I don't know, Lil' Kim did something for me with females and hip hop way back when.

What? I just feel like she just kind of took that shit. Like, let me just. And I was like, oh, she... Wow, she crazy, but I like her. You know? So, yeah. A little kid.

NWA or Public Enemy? Hmm. NWA or Public Enemy? Public Enemy. All right. Rhapsody or Bahamadia? Oh, shit. Really? Penny, two different generations. Rhapsody Or Bahamadia Oh shit

Really? Two different generations It's like the seed of Bahamadia is Rhapsody Right Respect to Bahamadia To me she's one of those MCs that's unsung And R like, to me, she's one of, like, those emcees that's, like, unsung. And Rhapsody, to me, is unsung today in a way that she's kind of creeping in there. Her new stuff is amazing.

Amazing. Old stuff is amazing. Old stuff is amazing. No, no, but she's killing it right now. I had my eye on Rhapsody for a long time. And I remember I was like, I would think she's probably, she should be out on top of the situation more than she is. But maybe it's because of what people are demanding out there right now. But I'm going to say Rhapsody. All right.

I'm about to take a drink. You can take a drink if you want. You can take a drink. I'm taking this. It's right there. Erykah Badu or Alicia Keys? Shit. Erykah Badu.

You ever smell her incense? I didn't. That would have been a little weird if you would have been like, yeah, that was pretty good. I did not. I did not. That would have been a little weird if you would have been like, yeah, that was pretty good. I did not. I did not. Did you? We tried to get a hold of it. It sold out.

It sold out. It's hard to find, right? We wanted to have it on drink chance for everybody to smell. This is how you know I'm a real nigga. I even told my wife to order it. I was like, oh, this is the order. But you got to get it before it sells out. She looked at what it was called. She was like,

are we ordering a cup of new pussy since? The real thing? We just wore black culture, baby. I'm sorry. I went too far? No. All right, go ahead. No, this is the last one. Tell her the last one. Oh, the last one. All right.

There's one more? Yeah. Loyalty or respect? Today, respect. one more yeah okay loyalty or respect today respect i used to do the loyalty thing tell us why loyalty will get you fucked up it will get you fucked up and it's good to be that never give up who you are if you're a loyal type or whatever but remember respect is more important because you'll be respecting yourself when you command respect you're respecting yourself so you can be loyal and people could just walk all over that and and you'll be hurt in the end but respect is like you command that i'm giving it i. I'm going to receive that. We're picking respect.

I'm picking respect. But I still want to take a shot. I'll take a shot with it. I'm sorry. I don't know. You don't have to. Thank God for that. You wasn't supposed to take a shot to this.

For the real. For the real. Cheers. But I really... And we're done with that. Yeah. Really, you know what?

I really wanted... I really want you to know how much hip-hop loves you. Because the thing is, like, I've been studying you for, studying you, studying you, studying you. Since you went to Left Rack. Remember, he's been studying you since then. You know what? You're right. You're very true.

And one of the reasons why me and EFN started it is because, started this. It's like, we want to pay respect to our legends. And sometimes, very seldomly, we realize our legends don't understand how important they are. Their impact, their legacy. Their impact, their legacy. With you, I'm in between. Do you know how important you are to people like us? People, do you understand?

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You're really, I apologize, but you're really like, I said it earlier, and I said it from a guy standpoint. I was like, you know, guys had you on their thing. But now, think about the girls. Especially a girl DJ coming up. You're in there. It's huge. That's a huge deal.

You're in their bathroom, for real. I was playing around earlier. Stop at the bathroom, though. They're not nobody's bathroom. Somewhere in there bathroom, for real. Like, I was playing around earlier. Stop at the bathroom, though. I mean. They're not nobody's bathroom. Somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah. All right, you're in.

In their room. In their room. In their room. You're in their room. And. It was his bathroom. That shit is so, like, to me, it's so dope. Because, you know, obviously, we watch Wakanda, right?

And I know everyone's probably looking at me like what the fuck is this nigga just bringing Wakanda? But Wakanda is not fake. Wakanda is based on real reality. And if we was to base Wakanda

on a real life place, you know who would be the DJ? Me? I'd be up in there? You and Jazzy motherfucking Jeff. Yes, yes. That's huge. That's huge.

He's one of my favorites, but yeah. Did I kill that? I feel like I killed that. I felt like I was like that was hard yeah yeah no no no but fuck that

I'm playing around but I'm not playing around that's real yeah like all the guests that we have if I was to tell them your last party of your life

who would be the DJ I guarantee you and if you want me to do it I will prove it to you your last party of your life, who would be the DJ? I guarantee you, and if you want me to do it, I will prove it to you. They would say, Spinderella or Jazzy J. Really?

I don't hear it like that. I'm sorry. I don't. Let me take a little brush. I appreciate that. That's crazy. Are you crazy? You don't know that? I don't know that don't. Let me take a little brush. I appreciate that. That's crazy. Are you crazy? You don't know that? I don't know that.

Do I know that? I love a humble legend. You been saying that? Okay. That is magical to me. Give him another drink. That's magical to me. Give him another drink.

I don't give a fuck what he drinking. Give him another one. I look up to Jazzy Jeff. When you talk about, when you pair me, when I am in the same, I guess, on that line with the most great people that I look up to, it's wild to me. So as wild as you think it is, trust me, I'd be like. But it's wild that you don't see yourself there. Let me just say something to you.

That's what everyone says about you. Okay. You are. And by the way, I want to, because I don't want to label it female. Because we labeled it female. It kind of brings it down. It minimizes it. It minimizes it.

Right. Right. Thank you for that. You minimizes it, right. Right. And thank you for that. You are one of the illest DJs ever. And now, who did I say? Jazzy Jeff? That's crazy. But you know who texted me just now?

In my mind. Jam Master Jay. And Jam Master Jay just told me, no, it's not Jazzy Jay. It's me. I'm getting deep. You're getting deep. Getting deep.

You're getting deep, but that's how you see it. It's like it's in your mind. Because, you know, it took me to get out of kind of like the rap game to understand that I wasn't shit without a DJ. I wasn't nothing. To this day, my DJ Butch Rock. I don't want to. Fat Joe. I just went to Fat Joe's concert. I didn't even to... Fat Joe.

I just went to Fat Joe's concert. I didn't even know it was a concert. I thought it was a fucking Keys of the City. And then I performed, and my DJ literally called me. It was like, you performed without me, God? Uh-oh, right. How you going to do that? Right.

But it makes me just reiterate what happens. And the DJ is really the most important part of hip hop to me. Now that I can see it. Now that I can get out of it and watch it and appreciate it. Yeah, it's amazing to be paired with those greats. It's wild to me because I still remember that day that I did not drop the song. I just, all of that plays in my head still in my life. And when I'm like talking with Jeff, and I'll be like, damn, that's motherfucking Jazzy Jeff.

It's wild to me. So you look at Jazzy Jeff. Mm-hmm. Do you know how Jazzy Jeff probably looks at you? I don't know that. I don't know that. But, you know,

I remember seeing Jeff on the side watching me play. And I was like, oh, my God, motherfucking Jazzy Jeff is watching me play. By yourself. There's no salt and pepper.

It's just you. No, not salt and pepper. Just me. He stood there and he was watching me play. That's the wildest feeling to see somebody that you look up to checking you out to see how you, you know. Someone that you know is dope as he is. I said, let me get my shit together.

I said, yeah, but it is a wild feeling. But I guess that's my humility. That's just who I am. You know, it's who I am. So let me ask you a question. By the way, I've never asked this question. I've never asked it this way. If Salt-N-Pepa, wherever they're at, could listen to this interview, what would you say to them?

Hmm. could listen to this interview, what would you say to them? Well, I would say let's give the people what they want. And I also would say we have work to do internally. And if that door is open, I'm open to that, is to doing the work internally. So I don't want to abandon our legacy. I just mentally have to do what needs to be done for myself. And there has to be a mutual respect. And that's it.

That's all that needs to be said. I love this. What does Michelle Obama say? They go low. Michelle Obama. You're not like. She said when they go low, we go high. That's what I meant.

I respect Michelle Obama because she, I mean, they have dogged her to the ground. And she still, she will say with her peace and say what she has to say with strength so yeah I'm I'm a part of that side that feels like you know let's make it right

and what do you you know we're at the end of the interview but um what do you think it is to make it right? I said it, mutual respect. When you have respect for somebody, you listen for what their situation is. You understand what their situation is. You don't talk.

You listen. And mutual is both sides have to do that. So it's almost like a re what's the word um when you redo something re reinvent a reinvention

and it has to be a reinvention cause I before we get about it right you came to them you said yo this this and this right whatever it was I don't want to get into particulars cause Before we get about it, you came to them, you said, yo, this, this, and this, right? Whatever it was. I don't want to get into particulars because that's y'all business. And you felt like they didn't comply?

I felt like they don't see what I'm saying. Okay. And in order for that to happen happen you have to have a third party explain say that like mediating a mediator a mediator therapist something to that that helps to sort what the needs are because we're not grasping what they're not grasping what i'm saying i'm grasping what they're saying right but they're not grasping what I'm saying I'm grasping what they're saying but they're not grasping what I'm saying

but can I stop because one second you said earlier you was like you respect Peppa right and I went

I searched every interview and Peppa also addressed you right she said Spinderella's not wrong like she's not wrong.

But she feels like your discrepancy is with the label and not salt and pepper. Herbie's not there anymore. The labels aren't there anymore, but I'm still here. And the business has to be

dealt with who's involved at this point. And who's involved at this point and who's involved. You two and me. There's no Herbie. There's no label. But at this point, the three of us are here. And guess what? I'm not getting what I should get out of it. I'm not getting what, you know, do me. So if I was one of them, I would go, let's get her what she needs. It's not going to come out of my pocket.

It's not. But I'm going to get her, let's get her to what she needs. What I felt happened was they shut down because it was like, you're coming at me. Got defensive, right? It was defensive.

And it was like, no, I'm coming at whoever because y'all are salt and pepper. I need somebody to address what I've done and I haven't gotten paid for. I need somebody to address my contribution not getting handled. And guess what? We did it. In the end, it got handled because I said something. Closed mouths don't get said. Yeah, don't feed her. So, you know, I'm not saying they're fully responsible for everything with me.

Oh, shit. That's Herbie right there. That's Herbie. I'm saying... He wanted a shot. I'm saying I didn't get what I'm supposed to get out of this. And at the end of the day, we... Y'all need to address it

because I'm still here it because I'm still here working I'm still here providing I'm still here contributing and then it just got really nasty and ugly and we don't have to go over that but at the end of the day we are the hearts are open

I just feel like you know if the door is going to be open, it has to be a respect for each party involved. So right now, God comes down. God comes to Spinderella

and says, yo, I want you to make one last record to save humanity. Who are you calling to be the producer and the artist? Oh, shit shit that's a good one but yeah

but this is your record humanity yeah i mean you don't really got to be cool i mean that's big that's big you can still you know who would i call um well mean, call on my favorites. Yeah. My favorites. Gosh, Jeff. I like Jeff. I like Pete Rock. I like, I mean, I don't know about saving humanity, but I know about the, the, the vibe I like to get, you know what I'm saying?

So I would have to call on my folks. I don't know. I don't know. MC. MC. MC Wise. MC Wise. Who are you picking?

This is me, right? Yes, this is you. This is me. God came to you. Is it? Okay. He in Maui. He haven't had a haircut in 17 years. God?

Yeah, God. God? God. God's a hippie? God is a foul nigga. He's a hipster? God is a foul nigga. Yeah, he's in Maui.

He's a foul nigga. He's a... Oh, man. Spinner Ellen, save a life. Save a life. He's drinking kombucha. Yeah. That's a hard one, dude. I don't know. You taking a shot? I would pick myself, save a life. Save a life. He's drinking kombucha. Yeah. That's a hard one, dude.

I don't know. Are you taking a shot? I would pick myself, to be honest. I would pick you, too. I would pick myself. Goddamn. On the vocals? On everything.

Goddamn it. I'm in. I'd pick myself. Benarello, save a life. I'd pick myself. I have a lot of friends that I can call on. I'll say that. Oh, shit.

Sorry. Oh, shit. I really got a shot Oh, shit. Sorry. Oh, shit. I really got shot. Give me a shot. He drank air. No, I drank air. I'm Air Jordan right now. He's so deep.

Yes. No, but because you know why? I really want you to understand how important you are to us. Like how important you are to us. Mm-hmm. Like, how important you are to everyone in this room. When we knew that we had Spinderella book, everybody became early. Is that so?

Yep. That's crazy. Came early. Except your flight was late. That's my flight. That wasn't here. And by the way, I went in there, took a shower.

No, but he came straight for you. He came disheveled. He came disheveled. Yes, yes. Because it's not that I want to give you flowers. It's you deserve your flowers. Thank you. You're for female

DJs. Fuck for female DJs. DJs. For humans. Let me go over. For human beings. For humanity. What you have done and what you have brung to the game will never never, ever, ever, ever, ever be compromised. Or erased.

Or erased. We love you. We want you to know that we love you. We want you to know how much we cherish you. Yes. Because you're a legacy. Real, real legacy. Spin, thank you so much, man,

for coming to us and letting us give you your flowers because your flowers is well deserved. But by the way, it's deserved. Like, you're really like a legend, legend. And thank you for coming to fucking Drink Champs. That's crazy.

Right? Yeah, man. It's crazy, man. I can't believe it. I said, I told my husband, I said, babe, what they want with me on Drink Champs? Oh, come on. That's ridiculous. No, I swear to God, I said that. You're drunk and your they want with me on drink champs? Oh, come on. That's ridiculous. You're drunk and your husband's drunk and your daughter's drunk.

My husband's drunk. That's ridiculous. This is more than deserved. So let me just ask you, if you could, if you could fix anything in hip hop, according to your career, what would it be? Oh, wow. I guess the gatekeeping. Explain that to the people that don't understand. I feel like, you know, there's a hold on what everybody needs to be doing in hip hop.

Like we got to sound like this or we got to do it this way. I mean, I like that it's open and people get to choose. But I feel like the powers that be kind of put in our face what they, what it needs to be. Like, it has to be like this. Like, it has to be ratchet or it has to be, you know, gangsta or it has to be conscious or it has to be this. It's like so much to all of us and that we're open to go into whatever direction we want, but I feel like, you know, mainstream kind of conducts it to be mainstream. Right.

And whatever they feel is mainstream. And we know right, I mean, we see right through it. Do you not see it? I see it. I feel like, speaking like Rhapsody, I'm a fan of Rhapsody. I love Rhapsody. But I don't get to see her, you know, as much as I'd like, speaking like Rhapsody, I'm a fan of Rhapsody. I love Rhapsody. But I don't get to see her, you know, as much as I'd like to. Right.

So I follow her, you know, like. I follow her too. I follow her. But I feel like they push in front of you who they want to make a star. And it makes you just wonder, like. Jeez, somebody's got to go to an appointment. That wasn't you, baby. that wasn't you baby that wasn't you it just makes you wonder like is this all a part of a plan to you know put us put in front of us what they want us what they want this to be they make it seem now

like there is this uh this freedom because social media okay democratizes it but really even though these tech companies now are the gatekeepers and there's a lot of stuff going on there. But let me ask you, so for lack of a better term, and you correct me if I'm wrong. What's so unpopular was kind of like the ratchet,, and sexy. You feel Ratchet was in there? I don't think we were Ratchet. I don't see the Ratchet. We did a little raunchy.

No, it was a little... Well, if you did raunchy, then that's 80s Ratchet. Okay. Raunchy is 80s Ratchet. We performed in our bras. You could see our panties. We had on short shorts. That's 80s Ratchet.

That wasn't nothing compared to what it is. But for that time, it would have been pushing that envelope. Yeah, it was just that. But it was a little bit of everything. So when all the things you've been through, when you listened, by the way, I told you how I felt earlier. Shut up. Because, but I'm not a female yeah we know this but when you listen to knowing you have daughters and you listen to the

right these records have dances too? Because I don't want to. They do that? I'm saying it. That's how he sees it. I'm saying it, but I, and by the way, I was like, holy shit. Do you feel like, damn, they didn't listen to me, us. Or do you feel like, damn, they keeping our message going? Oh, no. I don't feel like they didn't listen to us. I feel like they're in their own space.

I feel like these artists that are out, that come out, are in their own space. But they have to find who they are and do what they do. So, I don't, I mean, if you're inspired by our music and about how we work, great. They've been pushing it real good for a long years. Yeah. If you're inspired, great. I mean, I just remember for us what we've done to, for womanhood. I remember how we kind of push the movement.

Empowerment. Empowering women. And that was really important. That we could use more of that now. now. We definitely could use more of that. So artists today can take a page from that book. I'm not saying be like us, do you. But a page from that book as a woman is only going to make it better for your surroundings, I think. Right. And we probably need more female groups.

That's what we were talking about. We were talking about that with Mad Skills. There's not as many groups anymore. Right, right. In general. The old school groups. But let's talk about Whatta Man, right? Mm-hmm. How does this session happen?

Because now you're the DJ. Now you're stepping up. How does this session happen? Because now you're the DJ. Now you're stepping up. How does this session happen? Well, they called me to MC on regular occasions because, you know. Bless you. Bless you. Because they knew I could, you know, I could. And just a little.

Are we taking a shot for no reason? No. You are. Okay, okay. I was waiting. If you had one, I would have taken it with you. Oh, fuck it. Let's go. You ready. Okay, I was waiting. If you had one, I would have taken it with you. Ah, fuck it. Let's go. You ready? Yeah, with my cup. Let's go. Cheers. Cup. Fuck your cup.

Cheers. Fuck your cup. Cheers. I'm doing it. Go ahead. So, what a man. Let's go. Session. Freddie Fox. Hmm. Freddie Fox was the writer. Wait, the same Bumpy Knuckles? Bumpy Knuckles

Bumpy Knuckles wrote Whatta Man? Yes What? Fuck outta here That's my friend I'm calling him tonight Give him a call Yes, I'm calling him right now

That's him And he said He said Salt is the person you wanna You wanna Pepper's the person you wanna take home No, Salt's the person you want to take home. No, Salt is the person you want to take home to Mama. Spin is the person

you want to marry. And Pepper's the person you want to fuck. Whoa. This is what he said. Say that one more time. He had this thing about Salt and Pepper. This is his

imagination. Right. What did he say? He had this thing about Salt-N-Pepa. This is his... Imagination. Right. What did he say? He said, Salt is the person... Take to your mom. You take home to mama. Spin is the person you want to marry.

And ask him. You can ask him yourself. Okay. He won't say it publicly for whatever reason, but you can talk to him and Pepper's the person you want to fuck. It was just this thing about Salt-N-Pepa. Oh, you calling him?

Go ahead. I'm calling him on WhatsApp. I don't know how this... No, call him on the regular phone. Shit. Call him on the regular phone. Nigga, he ain't fucking with me on WhatsApp. Oh, man. Do I got his number? Hold on. Hold on WhatsApp. Oh, man. Do I got his number? Hold on.

Hold on. Nigga said Facebook. I don't know if that's his... Is this still his number? I just want to see if I can find his number. Yeah, please. Is this... What number you got?

You got this? Nine months? Yep. Yeah. Exactly. All right. So why am I calling him? Okay, but because... Don six? Yep. Yeah. Exactly. All right. So why am I calling him? Okay, but because-

Don't call him on WhatsApp, bro. You could just talk to him separately, but that was the gist of the conversation that I had with him. And so when we went into the studio to do it and he had this idea of how- Salt is the one they want to fuck. No. No. Take to your mom. Take home to your mom take home to mom

to get married and Pepper is the one you want to fuck and not him but he was like that's how it seems like the world sees it am I right? I don't know from what he said that's you know you'd have to talk with him about it. But it gave us a picture. It gave me a picture of how to vocalize my verse. And when you asked how did it come together, it was a description of how to deliver my verse so yeah and that was like your

introduction because everyone it was just so impeccable it wasn't my introduction to emceeing though it was because i was on earlier stuff too but but that was a a big one okay but that was performing to the world to the world. Okay, yeah. And was you pleased? I was very pleased. Okay. But, you know, I'm a DJ, so I just got up there and just did my thing or whatever. And, I mean, for that to be a hit, it was... It's still a hit to this day.

It is. As soon as a girl leaves somebody, they be like, what a man, what a man. And as a DJ, to be able to play a record that's a hit that you're on is incredible. It's either when they leave them or when they meet somebody. They're like, what a man. Or if you want to praise the men. Men don't get a lot of praise. No, this woman who played this record.

Okay. This woman. And they throw it in our face. They be like, what a man, what a man. You better be a good man. That's right. Goddamn, take a shot. Okay, so we got the what a man behind us here now.

Shout out to all the men out there. Yes. Shit. Look, I'm like. So. We have hip hop 50. We had 51 now. 51 now, right?

We had so I'm pepper. What is it? 30 year anniversary or 20 year anniversary? Oh no. Gosh. Well, 35,

86. So 86 would be 40 years. For salt and pepper. well 35 Salt and Pepper 86 so 86 would be 40 years for Salt and Pepper and I came in 87 a year after yeah I think they released

first in 86 if I'm not mistaken and I came 87 so we're almost the 40 year mark wow that's incredible

oh damn a long time a long time shit We're almost to 40, Mark. Wow. That's incredible. In your opinion, how would this legacy end? Perfect opinion. We'll figure our shit out. We'll do a world tour. We'll get, you know,

show the world that, that we as a unit are a movement as opposed to personal, um, situations. And we would be able to, as women address our shit. Um, if it should be. If not, the music will always be there

and the memories will always be there. That stands out for me. I always have that. I think we all will always have the music. If you could take anything back, what would it be? Nothing all fuck i love the answer

nothing because it it brought you right here it brought you right here like i can't regret anything i mean there's things that i wish i would have known right i've known better to do well being young and just kind of going with shit and just following along and just being afraid to speak my mind early on or say things that would rock the situation.

I mean, things might have been a little bit different had I done that. But I can't regret anything because it's all... It happened in your time. It happened in my time, yeah. When that day came when I did speak up, it was all like, imagine something just rushing in. I don't regret anything, no. You don't regret anything?

No. I'm happy where I am. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame calls. I'm like that. What at? Ring-a-ling-a-ling. What at? One day.

You got the Grammy. You got the Grammy. One day. One million percent you're not denouncing it. You're going to stand with. Of course. Yes. As you should.

I'm standing right there. Goddamn. And being grateful. Goddamn. And being thankful. You know, I got to say thank you to the girls I gotta say thank you to Herbie For what they have done for me

And you know I'm here because of that But I'm also here because of the talent That I exuded And I'm here because of the Just the door That was open for me I took full advantage of it.

And if I live up to this name, then I ain't do my job. If I didn't live up to Spinderella, like there is no other Spinderella in this world that would have lived up to this job the way I have. No one. No one. No one. And I'm still to this day doing it, but I'm doing it a little bit different.

I'm enjoying it today. I'm enjoying it today. Before, it used to be a job. It used to be a job. It used to be work. It used to be like, oh, my God, the hustle and bustle. And I remember that. But now I get to call my shot.

It's on your terms. It's on my terms today, and it's the best thing ever. I can't think of a better way to end this interview just like that you know what that's how i'm living life now good everyone i'm sorry did i say that all about all right spend the brother thank you thank you so I know, again, I know you didn't know what you did for me. Yeah, I didn't. Earlier when I said I'm not playing at all. I did not know that.

You was in the background like. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. It's the same position. I was like, yeah. There she go. I was like, oh, my God. That's crazy. I swear to god

same position and thank you so much but by the way let's reiterate me and EFN this is your house yeah

anytime you want to promote something if you want to promote that you got yellow ice dropping and it's just your peepees selling yellow ice.

No, but that won't be it. Guess what? There's certain niggas out there, my boss, spending a lot of yellow ice. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just throwing it out there. I know the algorithms. Maybe one day I'll be back.

You can be back anytime you want. Because this is your house. Respect to your husband. Respect to your daughter. Respect to your family. Because your family is the associated family of my family. And, but that's not why you're here. You're here because you're one of the greatest DJs of all time.

And I wanted to say that particularly because certain people say greatest female DJs. And I don't identify with that. Right, right. I identify with DJ. Yes. Not female. I'm killing it. Those transgender people are going to fuck with me.

Oh, my God. She is one of the greatest DJs of all fucking time. Not man, not woman, not black, not white, not Puerto Rican, not fucking Düsseldorf. No. Not just Düsseldorf. Never just Dozledorf She's the fucking great One of the greatest DJs Of all

Fucking Time That's amazing Thank you Thank you so much for coming Thanks for having me To our presence Thank you for my flowers

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