Drink Champs - Episode 427 w/ CL Smooth

Episode Date: September 13, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, CL Smooth!CL Smooth joins us to share his journey in hip-hop. CL shares stories of his come up, creating classic music like “T.R.O.Y.”,  his current relationship with Pete Rock and much more!Lot’s of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for CL Smooth!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs Drink up motherfuckers What it good be hoping you're sweet It's your boy N.O.R.E What's going on it's DJ E.F.N And this is military crazy world radio Drink Champs Yappy yamma Make some noise Now when we started this show

We said we wanted to give it to icons We wanted to give it up to legends The people that came before us The people that came right with us And when we talk about the brother that's here Man this guy has changed the game He literally can say I changed the game From people going to whatever this guy has changed the game. He literally can say, I changed the game.

From people going to whatever to people actually thinking about their raps and being skillful. I went through the, I believe when we go through these people, I went through this brother music, just kept going through, kept going through, kept going through.

And I'm like, damn, he could drop this music now. And it works. In case you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about the one, only, motherfucking CFO. Now, I'm going to go up top. I'm going to get me a drink. Now, you ordered White Henny.

Let me just tell you something. I was so proud of you. Because let me just tell you something. You said proud of me? Yeah, no, because let me just tell you something. You said proud of me? Yeah, no, because let me just tell you something. You are so unique, right? And we've been doing this for eight years. Yeah.

No, no, nine years, right? And this is the first time anybody has ever ordered White Henny. So I said, what is he drinking? They said White Henny. I said, that's exactly what I expected from him. I expected to be shocked, man. But, yo, let's take this from the beginning, man. I've enjoyed researching you,

knowing that you was coming up here. I just enjoy it because you're truly a class act, man. You know what I'm saying? You're truly one of those people that at the highest of your career, you didn't let it get to your head. And I mean, this is for an outsider looking in.

You know, I've always seen you with a stable mind. How do you maintain that type of aura? I just think it comes from the people who raised you, your upbringing, how they treated you in life. And I always felt that you get more being humble. You get more being graceful and treating people the way you want to be treated. That's how you get it.

Right. You know, my friend of mine, he always tells me this. Busta Rhymes, he's like, stop being so fucking humble. You ever get that? Not really, because perceptions are different. A lot of times people think you're unapproachable, you're mean. And a lot of times I am. But I think it takes humility to treat people like you want to be treated. I think it takes a little bit of mindset to put yourself in other

people's spaces instead of yours and always thinking about you, you, you. And think about somebody else and then your atmosphere and your surroundings begin to change. Right. And a lot of people don't know, being from Mount Vernon, right? Right. Mount Vernon is almost closer to the Bronx than even Manhattan is. So by hip hop being the birthplace of the Bronx, I believe that Mount Vernon was just as affected almost around the same time.

Is that? That's a fact. Yeah. So how is that? Because I remember going to Mount Vernon and I remember that being hip hop everywhere. Well, it was a small town with a lot of talent in it. And a town like that, so small with a lot of talent in it,

it just stands out. When you get into the Bronx, it may be, you know know there's a lot more it's a deeper water you get to the hand Manhattan it's a deeper water Brooklyn Queens deeper waters but Mount Vernon is like a big lake you know the moon just a big lake of of talent okay from basketball to entertainment to to street cats to philosophers from um um people who are spiritually inclined to people who are in demon time it's a little bit everything in that town yeah let's flip around and bounce around a little bit because i heard you say something and when I met Hef I didn't I didn't know the word to describe Hef but I think you called him the heart of the heart of the crew

yeah happy to be clear I'm sorry I'm sorry you that's right that's right and I believe you described him as a don he was like he was like a don and that's the word I always wanted to use when I see like a lot of people um pun was one of my closest friends in hip-hop but it wouldn't have been no pun without heavy d that's a doubt it wouldn't have been no big without heavy d so for those for those that that don't know can you describe um heavy d heavy d was to me a a class act. Salute. Salute. Happy birthday. Salute, yeah. That's right.

It's my birthday all week. Yeah. God damn it. We talking about a class act. We talking about somebody who is almost 300 pounds. Right. He knows how to dress immaculately. Right.

Holds himself in high regard. Right. Knows how to conduct himself. Right. And everybody on the planet's mama love Heavy D. You know what I mean? You know what's crazy?

Before Heavy D, I didn't see obese people be proud to be obese or even hold it like that. Or the Fat Boys. Fat Boys. Damn, you're right. Fat Boys, Heavy.

No, no, no. Fat Boys was first? Fat Boys was first. Pioneers, okay. Nobody moved like Heavy. Oh, no, not at all Boyz was first? Fat Boyz was first. Pioneers, okay. Nobody moved like heavy. Oh, no, not at all. Nobody was as graceful as heavy D on his feet. He was really dancing.

He was really like feathery feet. He had dancers and everything. Yeah, he had dancers. He was dancing and he was keeping up with them. Right, right, right. And breath control. He was spitting too. Absolutely.

Right. Absolutely. We talking about a man close to 300 pounds if he wasn't 300. Right. absolutely we talking about man close to 300 pounds if he wasn't 300 right and i just want to describe that era in hip-hop because i feel like i believe we discussed this the other day i feel like that 88 early 90 91 era and 1998 is like one of the greatest years of hip-hop and you played in both you You had, I believe your album dropped in 91. Right.

And I believe you came back out in the 98 with Running Up. Right. So is that the golden years of hip hop for you as well? I think it was. Anytime you can get into a genre of music and be a part of it and have something to contribute to it. Right, right. Like my first song was Johnny Gill, Rub You the Right Way. Wow.

The remix. That was your first song? That was my first song. That was the first official remix of hip hop being on a record, remixed on the radio. I was the first. Wow. I did not know that. I'm not going to lie to you you might have

the number one most requested song or hip hop song of all life if I'm at a barbecue and they reminisce over you doesn't come on I leave the barbecue it's such an important song not just to hip hop I think for all genres

but for hip hop it is the song yeah i think um at a time it i wanted to contribute something that was authentic that wasn't an image that i'm trying to project but i wanted to give them an inside close feel to what the plight of a black family is like with nothing on it but an anthem but a song that a lot of people thought wasn't real but every part of the song is real

when they say when these artists say I live my music I definitely live all of my music it's nothing fake about my music it's all paying homage to the people who are not stars, but they're stars to me because they allow me to have a life and a career. And that came across in the music, for sure. And you know what's crazy?

That record is so familiar, right? That young kids know it. But a lot of people don't actually get that you're paying tribute to your man, Troy. Right. Like, this morning, I was playing it, and then I go to the director, Ross, and I go, you know what this is about? And he looked at me, and I was like, you know what it stands for, right? Troy.

Right. They reminisce over you. Right. And, you know, he's younger. He's younger. He's the director. Right, right, right. So I felt like I was, like i felt like i was like

discovering like he was like what he's like he like he didn't know so that's how famous the record is that people could hear it and like did you know did you know this record will because for lack of a better term that shit is gonna outlive you yeah it's gonna be here even when when you were not around. Did you know there was going to be a classic record like that? I didn't know, but I knew I was writing something special because I haven't heard it from nobody. You know when you write something special, right? And you know you didn't hear it anywhere else?

Right. So you know you tapped into something. Right. I just don't know what it's going to do. Right. Because you can't foresee. Right. But you know that you tapped into something that

no other artist is doing right now. It can come close. Dear Mama's close, but it ain't Dear Mama. Damn! I never looked at it like that. And you were 18 when you made this record, right? Yeah, like 21. 21? Yeah, like 21. You motherfuckers making

this crash-ass music at 21? Do you listen to Reminisce Over You? This shit lasted for three decades. And it's going to last more. You ain't got no excuse, you little 21 trashy old rappers. You ain't got no excuse. He just said it. I said it for him.

All right, my bad. We were listening to different music, Nori. We were listening to crates and crates of old music man that was educating us to to force us to put out different music right you gotta understand what was out there right big daddy came wow g rap wow heavy d public enemy wow you have all these groups what do you have to contribute to all of this? And to me, we're not really the golden era to me. I feel like the

golden era was a little bit before the 80s when I was in high school. Now, I'm not letting you get away with that. You're part of the golden era too, motherfucker. I ain't letting you get out of that. But what makes you a great artist is being a fan, too.

Right, right. It's understanding. That's dope. I love that. It's like you're Floyd, but you don't recognize Muhammad Ali. Right. You got to recognize Muhammad Ali to be a Floyd. To be something in this game, you have to be sparked by something.

Right. So with all that originality did they know they were original like nobody was copying nobody's slang nobody's music right they had the same producing ain't sound the same right yeah good point how does that work good point and what you this is the thing though late 80s is definitely the golden era but i think what you guys did with this record and and the whole project is you allowed the golden era to extend into the 90s. You guys. We wouldn't know if we didn't, if Big Daddy came.

Right, right. Didn't help me with my name. And Heavy D didn't help me with CO Smooth Name and being around and being able to talk to them. They were accessible where you couldn't catch a map. But if you was what have, have gravitated every type of artist to his house. It seemed like he was a conduit to a lot. He was the godfather. He was the godfather of what we were doing.

It's just that we were all young. We didn't recognize how it was formulating. But Hev was beyond his years in being an artist and teaching you how to dress and talk and articulate and conduct yourself because you wanted what he had. What would life would have been like had Hev kind of signed, like y'all all been signed to Hev? What would life would have been like? Because that's what I think he was like. We would have been rich a lot quicker. I like that. We would was like rich a lot quicker I like that we would have been rich a lot quicker um it would have been more catalog to pick from because now you have all this wide

open space of creativity and he was a creator he was a super creator the songwriter a rap artist a director what didn't he do right right you know what i'm saying so all you want to do is be like that if you're in that lane and he was in movies too i've missed his life yeah super actor so with those type of examples how could you go wrong all you got to do is listen. Right. Yeah. Play the record. I just want to let people know how contagious this record is. So are you, my God. I always wanted to know that part. When you, Queens, why is it in the chapter? You're not talking about the Queens. You're talking about the queens you're talking

about a queen i'm talking about a queen a queen my queen i always claim queen we in queens but we in queens i always claim queens with the queen i knew i was wrong but i always claim queens but your mother's from queens that's what we first she's from new rochelle but when she got married we moved from new rochelle to queens oh wow, wow. Which is a big, big, big, gigantic step. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? From New Rochelle to Queens. I didn't know that far.

I did read that your mom's lived in Queens. Yeah, she still does. Wow. So how, damn, so you got Queens in you, you got New Rochelle in you, and Mount Vernon in you. Yeah. So let's take it from the beginning. How did, what made you start rhyming?

What was your inspiration in the beginning? My inspiration was when I was 15, 16, and crack had first came out. I mean, I didn't really know the extent of how the streets had changed. Because, like I said, I'm a humble brother, but I've always been around good and bad people. You know what I'm saying? It's never been all good. Right. It's always been good and bad.

That makes you feel thrilled. But the bad ones, the bad ones, they changed the whole perception of how I see people on the outside. You know, because I was going to school with kids who didn't get their hair combed. Right. Snotty nose. Yeah, a couple of them are still here. Didn't brush their teeth. Clothes wrinkled, but they switched up with their brother.

You know what I'm saying? Just sharing just that whole plight of the black plight. The black plight. Right. And then when that crack came out, you seen them same snotty-nosed little nappy-head kids with a rag-top Volvo, drop-top Benz, big jewelry, gold teeth now. Right.

So it changed the perception of me of how I saw the street. And they always used to say, yo, you need to come with us. You need to come with us. But I always felt that my destiny was different. I wanted what you had. I just didn't want to get it how you got it. You know what I'm saying? It looked fun, but I know it ain't fun.

One day, I had a bunch of cracks in my pocket, maybe 15, 16. I'm in Jamaica Park, and I'm talking to Black Rock and Ron. That's another rap group in there. So I'm talking to them, and Run drives by in that smoke

gray tent BMW, and I knew. Right. That's me. Right. Let me get my ass back to Mount Vernon and make it happen. Right. Because that's me.

Right. And when I saw that, that influenced me. That let me know that hip hop is a major influence on kids, man. Right. You know what I mean? It's a major, major influence on kids and how they see themselves and how you don't know. Just you driving by can spark a person to be something in life. To inspire something.

You know what I'm saying? So that was incredible for me to see that. Now, I want to talk about, I'm sure this group inspired you. Mm-hmm. I'm sure this group inspired you. And in 1998, I believe, 97, 98, you got a chance to do something back for them, which is run DMC. Right. But run DMC themselves claim that y'all saved their career.

Do you understand how much of a compliment that is? Like run DMC said, if it wasn't for y'all to do that record with them, that they record label was going to drop them and y'all literally saved them. Talking about Down With The King.

Of course, we're talking about Down With The King. Did you know that? I heard them keep saying it, but when you're doing it, you're not paying no attention to that. Wait a minute. At the time,

you're just doing this because... I'm just doing it because I'm in love with them. I mean, come on. I'm like, to me, Nori, I feel when I make a record with them, I'm official.

You're official. Okay. So you're not even looking at helping save your hair rolls. Right. I don't care about helping. Just let's make a good record. Right, right.

Yo, that's crazy. And what surprised me that it sold more than Sucka MCs. I couldn't believe it. Wow. It sold more than that. How is that possible? Because you used the shit, sir. Yeah.

I was going to say. I felt like that was so crazy. So, you know, I just want you to know, CL, our show is about giving people their flowers. Yeah. Is Lee ready? Are the Lees out there? I'm getting it.

I'm in trouble. Okay, all right, cool. I'll show them again. And we wanted to give you your flowers, my dude. This is the very beginning of us starting this show. You know what I'm saying? And we wanted to face-to-face, man-to-man. Snoop Dogg said it's better than a Grammy

because it comes with a B. You know what I'm saying? We want to give you your flowers, my brother. Because... It's not just us. I'm just... And I said this on your intro, but I want to reiterate that.

I want to say it. Before you dropped, it changed the whole rap game. Your flow was on point. It made people, for lack of a better term, it made people want to be smarter. Because your shit is just...

I can sincerely say this as one of my friends. I know that if it wasn't for you it probably wouldn't be a Nas you know I'm saying like with with that with that smart bars you know I'm saying like and it was that something that you was trying to do like like you know educate people through the music or was it indicative to the era yeah I think it was I think it was a little of both okay yeah because what i was trying to do was certainly be different right but be articulate at what i'm doing i want you to

understand right my parents was for a better term they didn't understand the music how simple it was i think because they weren't interested in the music. But as they understood, and they still didn't understand it, but they understood what I was trying to present to them, then they would put a whole different look on how this young hip-hop thing is. It's not just a street thing. It's a culture thing. And that's what I wanted to contribute, something to the culture. Not to the street, but to the culture.

I wanted to be here. I, um, change the subject a little bit. I, I love to see, you know, artists who,

who, who stood the test of time. Yeah. I can still go out there because, you know, you know, it's a crazy fucked up shit about our culture. And I'm gonna say it.

There's no such thing as called washed up in rock and roll. There's no such thing called washed up in jazz. Like Mick Jagger can fucking tour to the rest of his life. At 80. You know what I'm saying? What'd you say? At 80 years. At 80 years old.

He's sniffing coke and biting a bat. You know what I'm saying? So I love when I see, I think Busta said it on stage again. Sorry to keep mentioning you, Busta. But Busta said, you know, I love when our OGs play the part. Because a lot of times we are telling these young children this, this, and that, but we're not doing it. Right. So I love the fact that, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, we're still out here and contributing to the hip hop like how we doing. But what is your favorite part? Is it making the record or is it performing the record? Performing it. Performing it. Yeah. For some reason, I knew you was going to say that. But why?

Break it down. Well, because as you perform more and more, you grow, you get better. You know what I'm saying? That's correct. It's a one-shot deal in the studio. If you're going to get it right. Is it like that with DJs?

Is it like that with DJs, too? To a degree, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I always wondered, but can we continue? So, yeah. Yeah, like, you got one shot to get it right. Yeah. And then when you get it right, you got to get it right every night.

Yes, yes, yes. Right? So every night, you preparing yourself to get it right it's like like when you perform it's like a boxer you i take it seriously i don't know what other artists do but i take my performances seriously like a fight i don't want my head rubbed my feet rubbed i know it's war i know it's right so i i step into this zone of performance and then when i get off it's warm. So I step into this zone of performance and then when I get off, it's over.

I'm back to me. I'm back to my regular self. Are we ready for a quick time of slime? Not yet. Oh, come on. Cheese Louise, Papa Cheese. For real. I mean, the one thing about being on stage, though, it's an exchange of energy with the audience.

The same for an artist, for a DJ. And that's something you like. Not everybody could do that. I want to give them my energy. A lot of times, most times, I don't get their energy. Really? I don't because I don't see them. They're just things.

They're not human. Are you looking past them? I don't even see them. They're not human. Are you looking past them? I don't even see them. They're just things. You have to really do something for me to stop what I'm doing and look at you. You know what I'm saying? You got to really do something for me

to just check out of what I'm doing and look at what this shit is doing. You know? So I just see blur. I don't see people. I just see me giving you what I'm giving you. And whatever you're doing, that's what you're doing. Right.

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Do you enjoy being in a group more or being a solo artist more? I like a little bit of both. You know, because I struggle with it. Because my heyday was the group. Right? But now, I don't have to check in with nobody. Right, right. I don't have to worry about how the other person feel no more. Because it's all about me. Right. Right. I don't have to worry about how the other person feel no more because it's all about me. Right.

And how I feel. So if I don't want to stay. Right. I don't have to stay. Right. I can move and come and go and move how I want and talk how I want. Right. And display the things that I want to do when you're with another boss. Right. It's

like a marriage. Right. You know what I'm saying? You got to worry about what they do before you do what you want to do when you with another boss it's like a marriage right you know what I'm saying you gotta worry about what they do before you do what you'd want to do you know what I'm saying and they'll always be in question if you don't ask them so I like a little bit of both because I like the successes with the group but then I like me because I write my own ticket go home when I want to it's like, as I heard you say, it's like, that's why I knew you was going to be on time today.

I knew you was going to be on time. I was like, I knew it. I was just watching mad interviews on you and I said, this motherfucker's not playing no games. You do look at life like a boxer. I do. I do. I really do. I ain't going to lie. I was watching certain interviews of you and I was like, because it life like a boxer. I do. I do. I really do. I ain't going to lie.

I was watching certain interviews of you, and I was like, because it's not a lot. Yeah. It's not a lot. I was like, damn. And a couple of them, I was like, he's super serious.

I was like, yo, damn. And then I was like, and you said, yo, I don't play with no one's time. I was like, fuck. And I was three minutes late. I was three minutes late myself. And by the way, I take pride on being early,

but the person that was wrapping up and he just couldn't stop. So I couldn't stop him. But that's the difference between me two. See, me, I can relate to you because I'm a solo. Obviously, I did a solo thing and I did a group. And one thing that I started to notice

when I was with Capone, like, I couldn't change him to be like me. I couldn't change him to be on time. And the more, the more that I tried to make him like me, the more that he couldn't be at all. So, and I'm saying that in a good way because what I had to do was kind of like, let him be him.

Did you ever feel like that in being in a part of the group? Hell yeah. Okay. Hell yeah. By the way, I know the answer, but I got my answer to the world. Hell yeah. Because. Hell yeah. By the way, I know the answer, but I got my answer to the world. Hell yeah, because you're looking at a top five producer.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And you're looking at somebody who wants to be- Who might come late. And you on time. I knew you were going to say that. He's going to be late because he's going to be over here doing what he love. Right.

And my love is on time. Right. Yeah. what he love. And my love is on time. Right? Yo, that's funny. And you know what's crazy? People who's not in a group body can't relate to what you just said. No, no, no. What you just said is so complicated. It's so simplistic. It is. It's complicated.

It's mad complicated because like, you literally, when you're in a group, even though it's two men. Yeah. It can be eight different personalities. It's the Isley brothers out there, some motherfuckers. It's just two of y'all, but it's, trust me, I know, I've been through it. We got a quick time of slime ready? Yeah.

Hold on, hold on. Before we go into that, because we started to talk about how you got inspired to be an MC. Mm-hmm. But let's track back actually getting to the beginning of the groups like how do you guys connect we connected in high school um it was all about these two young kids loving this old ass music like old ass music mean like the samples like none of none of our peers are listening to this. They're not.

They're looking at us like we are crazy. Like, what's wrong with you? Are you are you stuck in a time warp? Are you are you chasing something? Right. Yes, we are. Yeah. We're chasing something.

Are these your parents records that you're discovering these or this is just on your own? This is our parents records. Their parents records. Their parents' records. We're doing things that teenagers are not doing. They're not doing it. That's like somebody saying, okay, we're not going to the Carvel because I got to watch my waistline in the 90s. It's unheard of. For those that don't know, Carvel is an ice cream shop.

Okay, continue. It don't matter what you're eating. It's a matter of how you are disciplined in what you're doing. And we were disciplined in what we were doing. And nobody was with it. Nobody could understand that concept of making music. Listening to these old records.

They could listen to the finished product, but not the old product. And I think that's what we had in common, that we loved this old music and we wanted to create something with it. And that's what we were doing. We started with pause buttoning and pausing the music and looping it. And we started from that. We started from that. And it became a bonding.

It was three of us. It was like three of us before. Then it came two because the other one went to jail and he didn't see the vision. So you got to see the vision. It's a vision. You got to see it.

It's not just about putting yourself there and sign me and I got Hev with me. No, it's a vision. I actually wanted to be better than that. I wanted his spot. That's dope. As you should.

You know what I'm saying? I wanted his spot because I saw it was so comfortable. It was so natural. And I was a student of the game. In order for you to be a master, you got to have a student. Very true. Very true.

All right. We ready to quick time with Slime can you explain to them the rules alright this is our drinking game give me smoke if I want to we're going to give you two choices now it's not to this is not a negative thing we just want to bring up

people's names any stories you got but you pick one if you pick one nobody drinks if you say both or neither which would be the PC answer, like you just don't want to answer it. We're all drinking. Sounds very, very not good,

but you ain't taking a PC route. I can tell, but give us any stories. It's really about talking about the people in the places that we're bringing up. You know, I'll bring it up later. Um,

okay. Heavy D or DMX? Heavy D because he taught me everything and I wanted to be him. DMX, that was my brother. That was my OGs. That was his baby boy. So I have a fond sentimental value for him personally. That's why Yonkers at Mount Vernon.

Yeah, but we go deeper. We go into the dogs, like my dog and his dog were brothers. Like the actual and the dogs. They don't know that. They don't know. They don't know about that because there's certain things that he has that I don't bring out. And there's certain things that I have that he doesn't bring out. But we have things in common.

We talk about dogs. We had the same dog. We had the same. You know what I mean? This is how it is. Are you dead serious? The dogs are related. The dogs were related. Right.

That's crazy. That's some deep shit, yo. That's hard. That's a wild connection. Yo, I ain i ain't gonna lie i was not ready for that okay tupac or biggie and you got stories of both of them right i like i like tupac because he get all the bitches yeah yeah Tupac used to be the weed man Tupac used to it that's the we got Wow me and super cat that's where we got our weed from like he was buying it off of him or he was giving it he was giving it to me I would have bought it but was giving it to me. He was giving it to me. I would've bought it.

I would've bought it. Don't get it twisted. But he gave it to me. Did you say Supercat? You and Supercat? Me and Supercat were sweating his dude for some weed all the time. Yo, by the way, I want to see this picture so bad. CL and Supercat getting weed from Duvac.

That's a documentary in itself. I swear to God. So this is on tour. This is just hanging with Hef. When you hang with Hef, you're going to see the whole world. That's right. You're going to see everybody because he's a gravitator. Yes.

He gravitates energy towards him. Some humans, they have that talent where people come to him, man and woman, old, young, baby. I don't know what he had, but I wanted it. I was trying to rub off on him any chance I got. Did you get to meet, I know you got to meet Digital Underground Tupac. Did you ever got to meet Death Row Tupac? Because wasn't there a rumor y'all was ever got to meet Death Row Tupac, because wasn't it a rumor y'all was going to sign a Death Row at one point?

I mean, there was a lot of rumors, but that's what it was, the rumor. It was just rumors. Yeah, yeah, I just love LA. I don't even care about LA. You was smoking weed. Yeah, I was just cared about, do I have my weed in LA?

Right, right. Okay, all right. But did you meet Tupac, Death Row Tupac? I met the Death Row Tupac. Wow. But at that time, everybody was scared of him. Wow. So I remember taking a cab ride with Tracy Waples one time.

Tracy Waples from 1997? Yeah, yeah. So- Oh, that's Tracy Clarity from 1997. No, Tracy Waples. Tracy Waples from Bad Boy and Endoscope. There you go. So I jump out the cab.

I see Pop. This is when all the drama is supposed to be. Have to hit him up. Right. All the drama. And I see him out in front of the hotel. And he got a crowd around him. He's smoking weed.

So I said, I'm fiending. I just got out the cab. So I said, yo, I'm going over there. So Tracy said, don't go over there. I was like, I'm fiending. I just got off the gun. So I said, you know, I'm going over there. So Tracy said, don't go over there. I was like, I'm going over there. So I went over there. And he's talking. And he's talking.

I just take the weed out of his hand. All right, here you go. And then go about my business. Whoa. He was that type of guy. All right. He was that type of guy. Jesus, I never met Tupac. He was that type of guy. I was that type of guy. Jesus, I never met Tupac.

He was that type of guy. I met Biggie, not Tupac. Biggie was just, he was just too smooth. He was just a smooth guy. He was actually more humble than I was. You know what I mean? He was, you could just tell he was a special type of guy. And the type of stuff that Jay Black used to tell me, I used to be like, yo, Jay Black,

because you know Jay Black's from Mount Vernon. Oh, that's right. Belly Jay Black. That's right, Belly. So we all grew up together. Yeah, we all grew up together. So, you know, he always used to tell me about Biggie. And I used to be like, but damn, he don't act like that.

He's like, yo, you don't know Biggie like I do. I was like, wow. That's a bad man. Was you in L.A. when that happened to him? Yes, I was. I believe. Yes, I was. Yeah, I was.

And you saw him out there that day. I saw him out there. Okay. And, you know, you kind of knew what was going to happen when he got up there on the podium. And I was like, damn. Yeah, when he got up there, I think, I don't know what it, I think it was the. To the party? To the, no, it was the awards.

And he said, what's up, LA? It was the Golden Globes or what was it? I think it was BET or something like that. It was something like that. So you said the vibe was already set from that point. From that point when he said, what up, LA? I was like, I'm leaving. Why?

Put me on. I'm leaving. I'm leaving because. You felt the energy. I just felt like he shouldn't have said nothing. He shouldn't even acknowledge them. Be in and out like Nas did. Be in and out like CL did.

Just be in and out. Yo, what up? You good? I'm out. And the next plane smoking. I think he stayed too long. You know, damn. And don't get it twisted. I don't know why they don't

think New Yorkers love LA. We love that shit. Yeah. You know, CL, let me, I'm going to say something, right? I remember us going to the Source Awards. And this is the Source Awards. I don't know if you remember

that everybody got robbed in California. Everybody got robbed. I didn't get robbed. I never did. But yeah, I didn't get robbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I wore all my shit. You said we both threw that out there? Yeah, I wore all my shit. But, the fucked up part about it was I dropped that album that week. Similar to how Big did. Mm-hmm.

And they forced me to stay because I went number one damn near everywhere, but what place? L.A. L.A. I did not go. I don't even think I cracked the top 20. Wow. So they were like You need to stay there

And you need to put in work So the record label Did actually make me stay there Now has something Happened to me Is that The record label fault Or is that my fault

For Cause I could've said Fuck them Yeah I don't have to be Number one here I'm about to get out of here But I didn't

And I stood And I listened to them. But that was like the same type of thing that Biggie, I think, went through. It was like he was number one in L.A. It's the exact opposite. He was number one. So he had to be there. So he had to be there.

But he didn't have to be there that long. Damn. He could have hit and run. Okay. And he's done it before. He's a professional. Right. So he's done it before.

Hi, how you doing? See you later. And you're saying from before. He's a professional. Right. So he's done it before. Hi, how you doing? See you later. And you saying from the time you've seen him- When I seen that, me and my girlfriend left. Wow. When I saw that, I said, something's going to happen, man. We're going to mess up our time here. I think we need to cut this short and go back to New York.

Because I'm so used to having a good time in L.A. And Pac had already died, right? Yeah, I'm with the criminals. So how am I going to get robbed? Right. I'm with LA. Pac had already died, right? I'm with the criminals. So how am I going to get robbed? I'm with the robbers. How am I going to get robbed? And remember, people were telling them supposedly before he even went out there.

I think J Prince said that he gave him a heads up. He said it on Drink Channel. A couple people gave him a heads up. Howie T made me leave. Howie. Howie T, good luck. Chub Rock's DJ made me leave. Wow. Wow.

It's too much. Rest in peace. In LA, you can feel when something's going to happen. Damn. See, in New York, I'm from there. I don't feel nothing. Let it happen. You know what I mean?

But in LA, you could just tell something's going to happen. I know the difference between partying, having a good time, and then not having a good time and something's going to happen. All right. And to this day, it's like L.A., it's like a ghost of rappers now. Like, so many things happen to rappers, and it's like it doesn't even get solved. I just think they'd be in the— how could you, you're out of pocket. Yeah.

There's such thing as you're out of pocket. Yeah. But it's not just LA because Vegas, Pac happened in Vegas and there's. Yeah, but that was LA business though. That's LA business. It was LA business. Slime, let's go. Nas or Jay?

Jay. I don't think I need to drink. I just think that it depends on what type of energy and mood you want. It sounds like a drink to me, man. Just take a drink. Where my white Hennessy?

Where my white Hennessy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheers. The OG and you ain't supposed to pick that one. Now, this one you definitely going to drink for, in my opinion. Okay. Run DMC or the locks. That's your loyalty, man.

Yeah, I ain't doing none of that. You got to take a shot. I know I know you now. Now I know I know you. I need both. Yes. Joe Button or Gilly the Kid? I like the next one. You guys are funny.

I like Gilly because Gilly's going to make me laugh. Yeah. And Joe Button, that's my man. But I'm going to buy him something different to put on his feet. I wasn't ready. I'm going to buy him something different because he got a lot of money. So you need to switch it up. Yeah, cool.

I like Gilly because Gilly going to make me laugh. Yeah. I'm going to smoke my shit. Right. What's the name? Joe Button might find out, hey, man man I don't like you today You know what I mean Gilly gonna like you just cause

Just cause It's a million dollars worth of game Big them both up Pete Rock or Primo They wrote these questions by the way not me I like both I like both because they're both the same shit. But P-Rock gave me everything, so I'm going to go with P-Rock.

I like that. Kid Capri or Funk Flex? I love Kid Capri, but Funk Flex is my brother. Wow. So I'm going to have to go with my brother. All right. You know, we like the muscle cars. That's what we fuck with.

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. The muscle cars. You see that green joint he gave me? Serious. That Torino? Ford Torino 500. I just put everything new on that joint.

I forgot you into the cars. I'm into the muscle cars. Yeah, I forgot. I totally forgot that. Duke the Duke boys. Bo and Luke Duke. That's me right there. Okay, brand Nubian or Trico Quest?

Brand Nubian. Okay, that's right. I love Tribe because my brother's Fife Diddy. Right. But, yeah. You got to go with Nubdy. Right. But, yeah. You got to go with New York. Fife Dog, baby. Okay, podcast or radio?

I would go podcast now because that's where it's at. Yeah. And I like to be fashion forward. I respect that. Wu-Tang or NWA? Wu-Tang because I'm a New Yorker. I respect that. Only built for Cuban links or reasonable doubt?

Only built for Cuban links because that's the workout shit. Yeah. Let's connect. Politic. Ditto. There you go. Juice or New Jack City? New Jack City.

Okay. New Jack.. New Jack City. Okay. New Jack. Come on now. Gangstar or Eric B. and Rakim? Wow. Where the Hennessy white at though? Right there. You got another one right there?

You got another shot here. I got you. I love that. I love that. Rest in peace, guru. Yeah. Guru. You know what I thought about?

I recently was asked this. It was like, yo, who's one of your favorite rappers to drink with? I always forgot to mention Guru. You know, he was a... You know, he was a drinker. He was a super drinker, yo. He came to drink with us one time. The Symphony or Don't Curse?

Don't Curse because I was on it. That's right, God damn it. I would pick that too. That's a classic, man. Illmatic or Ready to Die? We can take a shot. Yeah. Yeah.

You're taking it way too far. I was trying to pull it out. I know. I was trying to yank it out, though. Analog or digital? Digital. This, I'm very curious to see where you're going to go with. Yo, MTV Raps or Video Music Box?

Damn, Nori. I'm going to go with video music box okay because because ralph is my guy yeah i love ralph and that was that was a little bit selective you had to be a little bit on a certain plane maybe on mtv raps you had to almost be top 40 like commercial. With Ralph he serviced everybody. Little or big. From the beginning he serviced me when I was big the same way I was small. Wow. He truly covered the culture.

He covered it and he gave me he's the reason why I was in their faces. He kept it playing. Did you see the Video Music Box documentary? Yes, I did. Yo, that shit is hard. That shit is hard. That shit is hard.

That shit made me want to document it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you said you're doing your own documentary? I would love to do that. Oh, I would love that. I would love to do that. I would love that. Hell yeah.

Ice Cube or Scarface? I would do Scarface. Okay. Yeah, Finn doesn't like that. I love Ice Cube. Oh, man. I love Ice Cube. I mean, if you want me to drink to Ice Cube, probably.

He's clowning. Hey, prayers out to Scarface. I hope he gets better. Oh, yes, man. I did. I love Scarface, man. I mean. When they say he was sick again, I thought they meant from before.

So he's apparently sick again. Yeah, he's in the hospital. And then obviously, rest in peace to Fat Man Scoop. Oh, man, Fat Man Scoop. Our first promo, Capone and Noriega, our first promo was for Fat Man Scoop. It was the first time anybody ever heard of Capone and Noriega because we went. And he was at Tommy Boy. I believe that's why.

Yeah. I believe. I'm not sure. Okay. Man, that was deep thank you man house of pain or cypress hills cypress hill okay i love house of pain but cypress hill man i smoke with them they smoke yeah them and red man session is the session to be at. That's the session. Hell yeah. And Redman don't smoke no more. No, is that true? I was on a plane with him.

He don't smoke? Yeah, unless he was fucking with me. He fucking with you. I think there's a one thing he prays. No, I think he's bungee jumping now. No, that doesn't mean he doesn't smoke. Yeah, I think that's what... He's not bungee jumping, he's skydiving. You know what I mean. That's a big difference.

Shoot off this, Lexi. Come on, man. That's surprising. Yeah, I think that's what... He's not bungee jumping. He's skydiving. You know what I mean. That's a big difference. Shoot off this, Lexi. Come on, man. That's surprising. Yeah, I think he doesn't. I swear to God. I think he doesn't. Let's look it up. I think that's why he's doing shit like that.

We're going to have to... There's meth smoke. Meth smokes. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. UGK or OutKast? Okay. Yo.

I love OutKast. I would have picked OutKast I would've picked OutKast But that UGK That Pimp C man I don't know man I just feel like Sometimes I'm Pimp C

Right You know what I mean I just feel like Walking around my house And doing certain things I take his cadence His voice His

The way he would deliver it. I'm Pimp C, man. I would have never thought you would have said that. If I felt like 3,000, I would have told you. If I felt like Big Boi, I would have told you. I love them. They're actually as good as my group. I put them

up there with my group. But that Pimp C, man, is. He actually said. Somehow stuff is out. Left too soon. And then give you a chance to get to the finale of who they are. The point of why they're here. He didn't get a chance to get to that part.

Yeah. His impact would have been even crazier. It would have been serious. Yeah. What do you think about when he said that Atlanta's not the South? I still don't understand that.

That's what I'm saying. That's how ill he is? Okay. His name wouldn't be pimp if he didn't talk like that. Come on, man. He said whatever he felt. Yeah, and it wasn't tough.

It was just to the point. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't tough. It was just, it was tough, but it wasn't tough. It was just a point. He was actually a good person, too. You know what I mean? Yeah, deep was tough, but it was, it wasn't tough. It was just a point. He was actually a good person too.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Deep. Yeah. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Common or most deaf? I like common.

Okay. But most deaf. Yo, his answers are not answers. He's like, I feel like he answered it. I go, but. But listen, you know where I got that from's like, I feel like he answered it. He goes, but. But listen, you know where I got that from? I got that from Terrence Crawford. Terrence Crawford don't answer nothing.

Right? I learned that. I see, yo, this is a skill. This is a skill. Oh, he didn't answer. You don't really have to answer. You just got to be politically correct. Yeah, I'm trying to hurt Bill.

Finish what you were saying, sir. I don't know what I was saying. Most Def. Good guy. I just like the way he moves. You know what it is? Not to get off base, but I'm going to take a ride. You see these new rappers?

I don't know any of their music. They could have good music. But I'm more interested in their life than their music. Like what kind of cases you got? What kind of broad you got? How you spend your money? I'm more interested in your life than your music and the way things are now it's displayed like that now fast forward back to

the brother being trapped in another country and not being able to come back and i don't know how true it is but that shit scared the shit out of me. I was like, damn, man. How you going to get back to your kids? How you going to get back to your life? And he masterminded his way through that. They say he live in Spain now. I wouldn't be surprised if he live on another planet.

He can get away from anybody. He got a passport for another planet. He can get away from anybody. He got a passport for every planet. What? For real. I was scared to death. I thought he was deploying. I didn't think he was going to come back. I said, damn, man. That's a hostage situation, man.

But he did. He did it, man. Red man or method man? That's the same shit. Should we take a or Method Man? That's the same shit. Should we take a shot? Yeah, that's the same shit. A shot. You can't even, you know.

Come on, baby. I'm getting my shot. Happy birthday, man. Yeah, that's right. Hurry up. Happy birthday. Let's go. Here you go.

Let's go. Oh, yeah. Cheers. What's that, the sake? Mm-mm. Mama Juana. Mm. See, that's what happens when you're moving up in the world and start drinking different shit. He's going to tell you. No, no. He's going to tell you you're moving up in the world.

You start drinking different shit. He's going to tell you it's moving down in the world. No, this is down. They make that in a tub. No, no, don't listen to him. Don't listen to him. They make that in the alley. It's a homebrew.

It's a homebrew. They make that in a tub with a person's feet. But it's not in a tub. With a person's feet and Kindle. You don't want none of that. He's stomping great. Yeah, yeah. Literally. Literally. Literally.

Literally. Literally. Next one. The Farsight or Daz FX? I like that Daz, man. Yeah, me too. Because I toured with them. You know what I mean?

I toured with them. Them little motherfuckers with them dreads, man. Come on, man. They don't got dreads no more, though. They got seizes. I've seen them. See, see, I'm... It's like going to somebody's funeral,

but you don't want to go because you want to remember them like they were. The way they were, right. That's my motivation. Them dreads. You know what's funny? Riggedy-wow.

Coming out the sewer. Riggedy-wow. Nah, that was... That was it That was the era We always wanted to be Dice and Facts Come on man

All of us Wicked D rap And I was hard as a motherfucker Yeah No no And they still tear down He was looking on the sidelines Like what the

Yeah What We got a problem Okay The last one for Quick Thomas Live Before we get back Into the interview Loyalty or respect?

I like respect because respect comes with loyalty. Damn. That's for real. I ain't going to lie. We don't have to take a shot, but that was so great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm taking a shot.

Cheers. That was so great. That's that queen shit. That's that Jamaica queen shit. Left, right. That's the shit. Now, this question this is this question. I'm probably know you probably know

what was going to come out. Can you and Pete Rock straighten it out? I think we could. OK, if you keep it business. Because I heard you say that. I mean, he said the same thing. Who? Pete Rock.

Just keep it business. OK, we don't have to have any feeling anymore. business because i heard you say that i mean he said the same thing who he's keeping business yeah okay we don't have to have any feeling anymore you just have to have that feeling of wanting to win hey you're like plus yo man hey yo thank you see how you broke him up i saw you going like this I saw you going like this. I saw you going like this. You talked about me last week. Okay. No, because you know why I see y'all? You know why I see y'all?

Because me as part of being a group, right? A lot of people don't know what it comes with, right? So you took care of our whole childhood, you guys together, right? Right. So we don't, I mean, this is me as a fan. This is not me as a businessman. As a fan, I feel like both of y'all can put it to the side for the sake of the fans. But I don't know really what it was.

Was it a business thing? What was, like, the, what was it? What did they say? The camel on the straw? The straw on the camel, like, the, what was it? What did they say? The camel on a straw? The straw on the camel's back. Yeah, what was that? Because outside looking in, I see y'all. I'm looking at the videos.

I'm sorry if it be long-winded. But I'm looking at the videos, and I'm like, I can't see where it went wrong. And it was such a good matchup. It was. You guys sounded so perfect together. Now, I'm naive now because I don't know the ins and outs of this all i know is how great y'all are together but don't we look at every group like that like why would it be a problem like why would it be a problem that's that's capone and that's noriega right yeah what's the problem yeah right if it works it works right It's a problem when it don't work. Right. But if it works, shouldn't it be easier if it work?

Okay. That's how I look at it. But I also look at it as we were very young men and we came into this game nutty together. Right. nutty together right so when we came up together maybe other business pulled him in other directions and pulled me in other directions for you to say you know what I'm saying so at that time what I what one point I could pick out of it instead of being picky one point I could pick at it as he can be paid to stay home I can't I gotta go on the road and get my money as a producer but you're gonna pay him to stay home now how do I get my money? That's the question. That's the million dollar question.

How does CL get his money if you keeping him home? And then on a bonus clip, if you got my producer producing other artists while my shit is working, then I'm competing against me. And my man is helping. Let's soak that in. That's crazy. Let's soak it in. Because at the end of the day, it's not personal, bro.

It's business. Right. I want him to have what he has. This is his moment. Now, what about my moment? I'm going to have what he has this is his moment now what about my moment I'm gonna have to go find my moment I'm gonna have to go find it so it's a different chemistry now

set than what it was playing with it the whole time now it's a different chemistry set now I gotta come with something else why I gotta come with something else. Why I got to come with something else? When I came in with the original shit,

I wrote all my shit. Where's my pay? I ain't go get my shit from James Brown and Arthur Pryor and all these other guys, Ohio plays. I'm talking about the records. I paid for sampling. How do I get my money back? It's a business.

I love you. But it's a business. They love you. But you my business. So I love you different. It's my business. I'm goinga feed my mans in there now they 6'3

and 6'2 so it don't matter no more I'm free but at 22-24 these were my questions so that's what it was back then it looked beautiful on the

outside it looked so sweet on the outside it, it looked beautiful on the outside. I'm just telling you. It looked so sweet on the outside. It did. It did. It looked, it was a sweetheart. It was a cream puff. Right. And on the inside, it wasn't no butterfly.

It was bats. Jesus. It was creatures. Look at, look at. I wasn't ready. Jeepers,epers. Because I'm not going to lie to you. As a hip hop fan, to hear, like, I'm going to be, this is one million percent telling the truth.

I was on the internet searching and it said Pete Rock goes at CL Smooth and it says CL Smooth, this is Pete Rock. And I would not click on it. I did not want to see it. That's how much I meant to be. It took a long time for me to even respond because I'm not, I'm not a, I don't like drama. I didn't want to click on it. I don't like drama, but see, I know how he is.

Now, I don't know how he is now. I'm going to be respectful. I don't know how he is. Now, I don't know how he is now. I'm going to be respectful. I don't know how he is now. But back then, yeah, eight years, something like that. But before that, you could be around a person that don't know that nigga. Right. That's real. You know what I'm saying?

If you're not evolving, then you're not living. You're not gaining. You're not learning nothing because you not living. You not gaining. You not learning nothing. Right. Because you staying the same. All my friends that stayed the same ain't with me. Yeah. Right about that.

You know? Oh, you changed, CL? Sure enough. Yeah. You into guns and broads. I'm into flowers and curtains. Yeah, I heard you be guarded then. Yeah.

We don't want to talk to you. Yeah. We don't want to talk to you. Yeah, we don't want to talk. And if ain't nothing growing around you. If ain't nothing. I said flowers. Yes. If ain't nothing growing around you, watch his ass. Because you ain't watering nothing. Right.

You ain't cultivating nothing. Right. Nothing's growing around you. Right. You ain't cultivating nothing. Right. Nothing's growing around you. Right. Yeah, that's a problem. So let me ask you, because other than me seeing those two skits online, I don't feel like y'all went too far at each other.

That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. Yeah, I don't even feel that way no more because I got it out. Right. See, I let it build up and build up and build up and build up and then I released it. So I don't feel that way about him no more. I don't feel that way about anybody. I want people to respect me like I respect them. A man can't make you angry. A man is going to make you angry, but how long is he going to make you angry. Right. But how long is he going to make you angry for? I get that.

How long are you going to hold that 400-pound gorilla on your back until you release? And then are you going to regret it or are you going to stand on it? I like to stand on what I believe in, like my music. You don't have to fake it. So why fake it now? Because you're angry or you're happy. If I'm happy, I'm going to, like my music. You don't have to fake it. So why fake it now? Because you angry or you happy. If I'm happy, I'm going to show you my happiness.

If I'm angry, I'm going to show you I'm angry. But what is the solution though? I'm a solution based nigga. I don't deal on emotion. I deal on solution. Do you have an answer for it? If you don't have an answer for it, then ridiculing me is not gonna

make me do the right thing it's gonna make me question your ability to lead me to the bag what do you think have would say no one would i know this is a what's that what's that, you know? Hev is a philosopher. Hev was something that, Hev said, God damn, nigga, you never got your payday. To you? Yes. Wow. Seemed like he's a fixer.

But he gave me, he did fix me with that line. Sometimes, in order for you to get money, somebody got to tell you something. He told me something. Goddamn, you never got your payday. So what was you supposed to do? Sit there and wallow? No, you're supposed to take whatever money you got and go make it your payday.

Put it into something else. Go buy something. Flip it. Go get some land and sit on it. Nobody got to know what you're doing as long as you ain't out here searching for the answers. Can I ask you, talking about you never got your payday and going back to what you said about the samples it has to do with the samples no sample clearance that's all a part of what i'm saying is it has nothing to do with my payday it has to do with business okay if i'm paying for samples and i'm sitting home still why am i paying for samples so it does have to do with paying for no no i'm gonna say it again. If I'm paying for samples, like we are partners in this. Oh, I get it now. We're partners in this.

We got a bill here, right? I don't come with that bill. If I came with that bill, it would say, Hennessy White OG Kush my car my new car cause I gotta go to the studio with a new car

that's right god damn it yeah how am I gonna feel this if I don't have a new car you gotta buy two of them I gotta respect that

I gotta respect that go ahead go ahead yes right yes come on so so we got a budget right work like you got a budget I got it. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yes. Right? Yes. Come on. So we got a budget.

Right. Work like you got a budget. So now nothing else matters but this project. Nothing else. So I know when I pay this, I'm going to go on the road and get my money back. That's like when a nigga go re-up. He going out on the block and get my money back That's like when a nigga go re-up He going out on the block to get his money back I'm not paying for nothing

And I can't get my money back Come on How am I going to be a good partner to you How am I going to be a good businessman For you If I don't get my money back So no We never got our payday Because we never worked it out so what havis

said that's you he meant you and before he died he said yo i'm just so hurt that you never y'all niggas never worked it out to get your payday okay right now you know y'all niggas never worked it out to say hey fuck all that right let's get work let's go right you know work i'm not asking for you to be my brother no more i'm not asking you to be my friend i'm asking you to work right just work just just work and i'm not asking you to necessarily do it for me because now I understand. I understand that the fans gave us a lot. We owe them. They bought a couple of houses, a couple of cars for us. They gave us a few budgets.

This is so dope to hear. Why can't you just give them something back? Here, just give them something back. Like, just here. Don't hold that. Here, just give them something back. I'm not asking you to say, yo, now we're going to have tea together every Tuesday. Nah. I love you. Let me love you from afar now. Yeah.

I love in the space you at with Carmen. I love it. Right. Because that means you in a good mood. You in a good space. Okay. Take my good space and come to your good space and let's give something back to the to the culture right not because i'm pleasing you and you pleasing me

because the fans want that right they do i'm a fan i want it so let me ask you let me ask you you coming from from an era that I'm a part of, right? Meaning, like, almost analog, right? Where the records had to be made together. Right. Let's suppose Pete tomorrow says, yeah, I'm going to send you 10 beats, right? Would you want to record those beats with him in the studio? Or would you want to stay in the confinement of your own place?

Whatever makes him comfortable because I'm prepared to do what's best. Whatever gets the project done. No, I'm asking you. I'm flipping it over to you. I'm telling you I'm going to do what needs to be done because I told you my ego was out the door. I'm ready to be

strong. That's fine. Ego and tough don't mean strong. It don't equate strong bad association spoils useful habits again so i'm not coming with a bunch of niggas to prove to you i'm strong i'm coming to you by myself to prove to you i'm intelligent enough to get it the job done that's the only thing that matter because you ain't going to be looking at me if the job don't get done. You ain't going to look at me. You're going to look at me when

it get done and you say, yo, where you get that drill from? Where you get that hammer from? Where you get that nail from? Yeah, because I put it together. Yeah. With no sample clearance.

Yes. I'm just being honest. Even me hearing your voice, like I could just see. I'm just a fan of it. You know what I'm saying? It sounds just like the records. Yeah, it definitely sounds just like the records. I love that.

I love that. And, you know, I'm a very naive person. I love that. I love that. And, you know, I'm a very naive person. I realize that. Like, I realize that, like, Remy Ma laughed at me when I told her. I was like, yo, I think I want a Terror Squad reunion. And she was like, you mean the Terror Squad? And I was like, yeah. She laughed so hard.

I was like, I didn't realize how gullible I was. But I want that. I want a last album by you and Pete. You know what I'm saying? And again, I tried not to get into the personal, because I don't really know. I don't want to get into the personal. I don't want to be personal

because I got my own personal business. So I don't want to be personal. I just want to do business. Right. If possible, if it's healthy. Right. If it's not healthy for him, then okay, I can understand that. Right. Then you's telling me I'm not ready for it.

I'm ready for anything that's going to close the chapter. That's going to take it off this question mark and put it on a closure. We closed that book. No more gray zone. Yeah, no more underline. So in your opinion, what do you think is stopping him from doing that? In your opinion. Like I said, we can't speak for him.

No. Certain things you can't have an opinion on certain things you can't think about. If you're going to do it, if you really going to do it, Nori, you can't think about him. You got to think about it. I'm going to think about you when you come to me with it. When you don't come to me with it, I'm not thinking about you. I'm happy for you because you in a good space. Cause I don't want you coming into my space, messing it up. When you, when you trailblaze, that makes my road easier. When you don't trailblaze, then that makes my road harder.

So you don't have to be together in life. You together. Right. In life, spiritually, you together, you might not be down with each other or like each other. Right. But in the fan's eyes, you together, you one thing y'all just doing your own thing.

Right. But I was always taught in business, give them your best sell, give them, give them your best sell. Give them your best product. Don't hold it five years from now and think it's going to be worth that. Don't give it me 10 years from now and think that I could jump like that. Nah, there's only a certain space you could jump like that and work like that. And realistically, in the book of life

it's closing because we in a black culture where the door closes quick do you understand only the only the smart see you can be tough halfway, but then how do you get to the finish line? Being smart. You understand? So if your life ain't good, how your career going to be good? Your life got to be good now for you to make your career good. So anything you do, you loving it. But when you got a nagging wife and your kids is hungry and your grandkid don't know where it's coming from, then you don't, you ain't got, you ain't, you ain't part, you don't got the wheel.

I got the wheel, bro. I got the table. I got the table right now. So in my world, in my life, I feel like my private life is way more interesting than my career because I'm into it. Because that's what's going to hold up my career. If I got to look at my career to feed it, then no, you need your moves, bro. Your moves to love him and respect him for what he gave you because you different. Why are you going to be mad at him?

Because he different. Everybody different. You know what I'm saying? Right. Treat people like you want to be treated, though. I'm serious. Because it's too many people dying for nothing. Too many people getting hurt for nothing.

And I'm saying, you got a bag and you still hanging with homie who wants you to die. Who wants you to not live. He want to unalive you unless you pay him. You know what I'm saying? See, my life is pure. My life, I didn't get to this age, like, lucky. I got to this age strategically because I done put myself around good and bad. It wasn't all good, and what is it all bad?

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don't have no more Eric B and Rakim albums because one budget went to one and when it came time for the other time to be to get the budget there wasn't to be found that's just a rumor I have no facts of that it was was that the part of the breakup was it my money never had problem with money wow yo never one time did I have problem with money with him wow I could I could think of something and I could think of one thing but it ain't it's petty wow it's petty and it's only gonna open up a door

no no no no no it's never been because we on different levels of things when it comes to these women you know what I'm saying he was married a majority of the time okay and you was out there I was strategic with what I'm saying? He was married a majority of the time. Okay. And you was out there. I was strategic with what I wanted. So it was going to take a certain type of woman to bring me to where I want to go as a man.

Right. That's real. And that's what I got. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. So, yeah, We were living two different lives But parallel to where we gotta go To get to where we need to get

To get peace and tranquility Because a lot of times Money is not The happiness It's not It's good to have When you want to get problems out the way and fight wars. That's the only thing it's for. It's not for nothing else.

It's not to dress up and be cute. It's to fight wars and make sure my family and my table and my wheel is turning. That's it. I don't need nothing else because I'm at a level where I just want to create. I just want to ride my muscle car. I'm an introvert. I don't really need a lot of company. You know what I'm saying? I don't need a lot of validation. I just want everybody to be good. When I see you eating, when I see Joe Button eating, when I see Gilly the Kid eating, when I see these people eating, I'm happy. Because that's one less nigga with a gun pointing at me.

Right? He's crazy. Right? We don't need it. Because there's so much violence in this culture now and that biggy pox

shit is like a acorn and their shit is like a boulder and our shit is like a little acorn now I'm talking about how the culture is Where death

Is a part of the culture Now What? I don't know none of your music But I know you're in Rikers Island Right I know you got 7-8 million dollars And you on Rikers Island Right

That is blowing my mind. I thought we were doing it to get out. Get out. Make the money and get out. Yeah. They making the money and they running in. Yeah. You're right.

You're right. That's what disturbs me. I don't, but somebody is making the money. Do you ever buy into the concept or the theory that Ice Cube and a couple people have said about the private prisons and the record labels being in cahoots with each other? I wouldn't. Listen.

It seems like. Why would I wouldn't doubt it when I know that these millionaires, most of their investments are private? Yeah. Yeah. If I'm a billionaire, I got a prison. How am I not going to have a militia In the army and don't have a prison Come on bro

Even Pablo had a prison He imprisoned himself And got out of himself Pablo had a prison bro Money can do a lot of things That don't mean you're going to do the right thing with it But you can have a lot of money And do the wrong thing with it and sustain it because that's your thing.

That's your mentality. That's your mind. My thing is peace on earth because my people need it. Like they just had a meeting in L.A., which got nothing to do with a New Yorker. But I respect it because it's black business. So my YG, he did the peace walk. After that,

they did the Crips, they did theirs. Really? I didn't know that. The 60s and all the way from the 40s. Yeah. Because I'm a historian of black people. I'm a historian of black culture.

Like one of my idols is a Crip. From when I was a young kid og turtle but I don't say anything because I I get what I get out of me and that's his hustle his vision his mentality his swag I'm a new yorker i love swag that attracts me so i love this cause i love his being i loved his the way he functioned he was a high functioning person so a lot of people don't know i'm a i'm a world i'm i think for world, I don't think like a hood nigga no more. I think like the world. In all the world, there's hood niggas in it. Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying? There's nothing but hood niggas in it. I learned that in Paris. You know what I mean? There's hood niggas everywhere. There's hood. Speaking all types of shit. Paris is hood.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And you'll calm down by force or by relation. It's however you want to do it. But in my heart, I love, I know how important it is for the black man to have peace in his life, have some direction and purpose

because it's 10 times harder for us. It's 10 times harder for a Spanish man. It's 10 times harder for us it's 10 times harder for a Spanish man it's 10 times harder if I was white I'd be in the stratosphere with what I wrote I thought about that a year ago I said if a white man wrote reminisce wow wow what would he have He'd have 10 times more than what Corey Penn got. How? It's big. It's big what the plight of a man has to go through when he's colored, and it's all over the world.

I didn't, listen, I grew up in New York, the old New York. The new New York, I'm not a fan of. The only thing I'm a fan of is everything is right there. I don't got to walk nowhere. Everything, when I go outside, is right there. The Jordans is right there. The underwears is right there. The t-shirts is right there.

The socks is right there. And the restaurant might be a mile away. But I could walk. Can you walk? Can you walk? I done got all types of money and niggas can't walk. I don't understand it. You mean you can't walk in this jungle no more?

Then you don't need to be in this jungle no more. That's why I got money to walk in the jungle, not to have some dude will hold my hand in it or need security to walk in the shit that I walked in when I was nutted. No, it should be the opposite. I'm more powerful now with money. Why can't I walk in it? I'm going to walk in it with nothing If I got to wear the same clothes They got to wear too I'm going to blend in But I'm going to be walking

I'm not paying nobody to check in And do this and do that That's not my culture That's not how I grew up I don't go by rules I go by morals and standard That's it I don't go by rules. I go by morals and standard. That's it.

Now, I'm going to ask you a question. It's going to sound cliche, but did you ever think that hip hop would go this far? No. No. And now that it's far it's dangerous dang now that it's far and we're making the money that we always wanted to make you die you how how is it possible for you to win now they made it impossible for you to win hold on you mean first I You mean, first, I get the deal. Then when I get the deal,

the first thing I'm going to do in this climate is I'm going to pay Noah Littman $20,000, $30,000. Criminal attorney. So when I go to jail, I get right out. Right? I get right out. You know that queen shit. I get right out. That's how queen shit. I get right out.

That's how you know you got money, right? Because if it's sitting in the shoebox, the lawyer can't get that. When I got money, the $100,000 check, 30 of that is going towards the criminal lawyer. Because I know I'm hanging with criminals. I'm not hanging with

nothing else. I'm hanging with criminals. So criminals going to do with... Now, when I give them that, when I hit them off, I'm going to be blamed for them guns. I'm going to be blamed for them drugs. I'm going to be blamed for that. Why? Because I gave it to them.

They can't do what I do, but they got to make a living. But I supplied them. Now I'm in trouble. Now if it's more than three or four of them, I'm in the soup. I'm in the Rico. Because now I didn't take my mama and daddy

and me and sell drugs. No, I took three or four of my friends and I stayed out of it, but I'm the financier. Come on, bro. Now I'm going to jail again. Now, to keep that shit, I got to kill you. Yep.

Where we going? I got to kill you. And to protect him, I got to kill you, too. Going yourself. Because he ain't killing nothing. He too busy rapping. What? He too busy getting the bag.

Mm-hmm. He is heavy, Nori. Happy birthday. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Salud, salud. It's heavy. Cheers. Because, so, let me, uh, the rap game has been beautiful to me.

Very. Right? But it's also been harsh right yes because it's like life right yes very much like life and i remember me entering rap game and i do this to this day like a lot of people say i don't work for free right but if it's something i love i'll do it. Right? When was the moment that you was like, damn, because I heard you say it earlier. You said,

this is business. Because we all love to rap. If you're a rapper, you just love to rap, right? It's just in you. You love to be artistic, right? But then there's a point where you're like, yo, this is a business. Like for me, I'm going to tell you the truth.

I was running around doing features and just doing it. And Pun was like, do you know that people pay for this? I didn't know that you get paid for a feature. And Pun told me that. So that was kind of like my moment where business struck me. And I was like, you know what? Holy shit. I'm not here to make friends with

these people I'm here to do business right so that was my moment when was your moment when you was like yo this like this is this is this is my art this is my job this is my career like when was that moment when you had because you know we were all young and then so when was the moment where where when I sat in the meeting and it wasn't talking about me in my future Oh elaborate they were talking about what my producers producing and not what I'm producing and not where I'm going oh wow so he's in his the record label yeah okay what label Elektra. Elektra.

Sylvia Rome? Yeah. I'm sitting there having a meeting with her, but we're not talking about me. We're talking about him. Okay. So why am I there? To make sense of it, you're in a meeting about P-Rock and Seal's food, but it's about P-Rock. I'm thinking it's a meeting about. Right.

Mecca and the Soul Brother. Yeah. Okay. The group. Yeah. Because now we getting into we not with Bob Kras now no more we with Sylvia Rowe

Sylvia Rowe a black woman yeah strong black woman right right and she needed all that strength and didn't get it

wow I needed it wow that's real listen I got a mom what I got I got a grandma. I got a grandma.

I told you about her. I got great aunts. I got cousins that are like aunts. And you're saying you're looking at Sylvia like that? I'm looking at her like, if this white man is going to give me all this money, imagine

what she going to give me. Good point. Now, we're human now okay you can be wrong you could be barking up the wrong tree you understand yes i do yeah so so you were wrong you said i was wrong i was wrong right i was totally out of the loop. Right. And I was expendable. Hold on, let me just say something. Because right now we're going into the presidential thing.

Yes. So you're saying you're voting for Carmella? I'm saying I should have been shot. And let me get a say. Oh, my God. Wow. Shoot me. I don't know what's going shot and let me get a sack. Oh, my God. Wow. Shoot me. I don't know what's going on.

Yo, he is not asking. Real talk is real talk. I didn't come here. I'm leaving. Yes, yes. Real talk is real talk. Yes, yes. Okay.

I got nothing against him because I'm self-made. Right. You didn't give it to me like you were supposed to. But you're saying when Sylvia Rome, you got the... I didn't get no money. I got let loose. I was expendable because I felt I could be wrong. Like I said,

I came in all wrong. I came in with the wrong attitude because I was a young nigga expecting this and then when I came in and expect that, why am I here so listen as a young man i acted that way right do i blame him no because you're only 25 for a little bit right okay now i'm this way i'ma handle it different because i'm wiser. I'm older. But back then, I wasn't trying to hear that. Like, what do you mean I'm expendable?

How does this? So you're taking his groups and you're saying that's more important than his group. What's up with my shit? See, we don't know that. They literally told you that, though? Listen, we're only here to talk the inside of shit, not the outside of shit. But did they tell you that, that you were expendable like that? No, they showed me.

In this game, they don't tell you, they show you. You expendable. You don't mean nothing because they feel if I gave him, listen, you didn't give me no money. If you gave him some money, then you expect him to do what you want him to do. But you didn't give me no money if you gave him some money then you expect him to do what you want him to do right

but you didn't give me no money and you didn't ask him when you gave him that money do I have anything to do with the success of what he's doing so where's my money that's business that's not thinking like a a person that money hungry. Why am I here in this building when I could be on the corner smoking reefer and shooting dice? Why am I here when I could be in front of my business smoking reefer and shooting dice over there too? Come on. Give me something that I don't have. That's business. So let me ask you right because i had leo cones here and i had to ask leo cones straight up i was like do you think you are the

reason rockefeller broke up do you think the reason you and pete is going through whatever y'all going through is it is because of the record label and not be it's not a direct it's partly to blame because if if you're going to give somebody some money on the side to stay home and my money is to go on the road, if it's going to be like a duck, then it's a duck.

Come on. Why we got to go there? Right. I just want some money and get out of this building. Right, right. I understand. Let me fulfill six, whatever you got on the table, and I'm out.

Right. Because I asked Bob Krasnow for this. And he was Select Records? Who was Bob? Bob Krasnow and what's the Spanish dude's name? Ruben. Not Rick Ruben, obviously. No, no, obviously.

You're not talking about Jelly Bean. No, there's another Spanish dude. And I feel embarrassed that I forgot his name. I almost think I know. He took me to dinner with Teddy Pendergrass. He went to dinner with Teddy Pendergrass? Yeah, man. He took me to dinner with Teddy Pendergrass

and I can't remember his name because I'm drinking on drinks. That's good for us. That's good for us, man. He took me to dinner with Teddy Pendergrass and I can't remember his name because I'm drinking on drinks. That's good for us. That's good for us, Matthew. Who was after Bob Krasnow at Elektra? Yeah. No, no. It was a Spanish. Remember, he learned English. He's a slick-haired, handsome guy. He blamed you for learning English, too.

He gave me some checks. This is not right. He gave me some money. Come on, man. So, English, too And he gave me some checks This is not right And he gave me some money Come on, man So damn, bro He gave me a lot of money, man Right Damn And Dante Ross

Okay Got some checks, man Dante Ross, yeah Dante Ross cut some checks, man I love Dante Ross We need Dante over here as well Shelby Need Shelby Need

Big publicist. That shit is so strong. I can smell it here. What? Hennessy White? Your shit, yeah. Come on. I be on my porch with the Hennessy White. But this is how I know you a Caribbean nigga, because you drink a Hennessy White. That's only being a Caribbean. You on the island? Yeah, on the island. I'm on vacation every day.

I'm alive. I love that shit. I love that shit. I love that shit. That was that shit. I love that shit. I love that shit. That was the correct way to answer that. Oh, my God. I swear to God. You ain't happy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm going now. Yeah. So God comes down, right? Right. And God says, CL, I want you to make one record. Mm-hmm.

And you got one producer to pick to save humanity. Any type of record you're going to make. And you get one feature. God asks you that. And what producer would you pick? And what artist would you pick? All time. They could be dead, alive, anything.

Producer and artist. Me and Nas is going to Primo House. You and Nas, I respect. Me and Nas are going to Primo. There's no premiere house. Yeah, we going to premieres. Holy shit. We going to right over there and make some of that wok.

That big bowl. I can see this. That's like Run DMC. That's like changing your life. See, I want to do things that change your life. You know what I'm saying?

Yes. Old, young, middle. You're giving me goosebumps right now. Change your life. Make a move because we're only here on earth for a little while. what I'm saying? Yes. Old, young, middle. Give me goosebumps right now. Change your life. Make a move because we're only here on earth for a little while. So why not make the move? Because we going to be up there shining. Make the move.

I can hear this record. Make the move. I can hear this record. Yeah. I would have loved, you know, that's the only thing I'm mad at Pete Rock about is that we didn't make a record with Nas and he was willing

to do that Nas was willing to do that he was willing to do that on one condition that you get back together ooh nah don't say this

no don't say what I told you first please well look there's the please we cannot just jump over that hold, there's the business model right here. I got the business model for you.

The documentary, Mass Appeal produces it. Oh, that is so dope. We'll get back together and do a record on Mass Appeal. Oh, that's so dope. That's so dope. See, I like business. That's so dope. That's so dope.

So, hold on, hold the thing that doesn't even take me out of my my shit cause you know what's so dope about this is we had Nas on here right

and I asked Nas a question have anybody ever fronted on you and Nas said yes Prince fronted on me because Prince said he wouldn't do a record

with me cause he didn't own he didn't own his own map. So Nas reciprocated. So Nas reciprocated. Yo, this is what's so dope. This is what's so dope.

Nas was the tip of the iceberg. By the way, I have no facts on this other than what Nas said on the break. What about the importance of these records that you guys made? So Nas, let me tell you something.

That is so dope of Nas to go in his inner childhood and say, I'll do the record with y'all like this. You're going to get back together. Yeah, I think it's going to get back together. That's dope, bro. And I'm going to be a part of that.

Yes, yes. You know what I mean? What I really want to do. And I respect that. What I really want to do. Yes. Like, I know that's your business. Yes.

But I know what I really want to do. Right. So I respected that. And that sparked what I really want to do. Right. So I respected that. And that sparked something in me. I do too. That was bigger than just doing the record. Right. You were showing me something.

Yeah, because I mean. I really love you. I love it like this though. You know what I mean? Don't give me the burger without the bun. Right. Just give me the bun. Yeah.

He ain't on a low carb diet. Yeah. He ain't on a low carb diet. Let me just tell you something. Just in case you don't know. And I tried to tell it to Pete, and I'm going to tell it to you. Your brothers really changed

probably everybody in this room life. And sometimes, you know, when a thing is outdone, I know how it is. You don't want to revisit certain things sometimes. But to people in this room, fans, people that support your movement, that's something that we really, really, really, really, really want. And I, like I said, I've been searching you so much,

and I can see your militant mind state. It's like, yo, we don't even got to be in the, like, whatever. You can send me the beats. Let's get this. Let's give it to the fans. Yeah. Whatever makes you comfortable. Yeah. And I like that. Whatever you love, I can adapt to. See, it's all about adaptation. If I can't

adapt and I can't, see, I'm a firm believer in being uncomfortable to get comfortable. I'm a firm believer in that because if you're not ready to work under hostile conditions, then you can't work, period. So you just delaying the process of failure because you can't work under hostile conditions. You can't work when it ain't in your favor. When the percentages are tilted, you ain't showing. Oh, I can work around that because little small things make big things.

Little small things add up to big things. But if you're not willing to only do big and not do small, then you ain't going to have nothing. I know that in business because it's a chemistry set in business. It's a chemistry set, but it's also based on who you are and what you want. Are you a functioning, high-quality functioning person? Or are you low-functioning? It depends on what you want to do. That's all.

The friendship stopped. What was the point where, or did it? What was the point where you and Pete's friendship stopped. Cause like, I feel like, I feel like, uh, I feel like our friendship is, it's a friendship that's fractured, but keeps going. It's, it's, it's something that like I can get rid of any other friend,

but you, you know what I'm saying? Like, like I can get rid of any other friend but you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I could get rid of any other friend but you. And you ain't really my friend. You know what I mean? We don't really put each other like that.

But, I could get rid of anybody but you. And I know, I know for sure, one thing for certain, two things for sure. One thing for certain, two things for sure. You can't get rid of me. You know what I mean?

I understand you so much. You know what I mean? You can't get rid of me. Listen, I understand this. So I understand, but we got, we always will have a common knowledge,

even though we think different. Yes. We're going to have a common knowledge because in life's plight, you are my brother. I could say all day you ain't my brother. You ain't my friend. You ain't nothing to me. Right. I got my own money.

You ain't buy my house. You ain't buy my cars. Right. What bank account? I'm well over what you gave me. Uh-huh. But that's not what the people feel. Fuck you. That's not what the people feel. Fuck you.

That's not what the people feel. The people feel you guys are brothers. That's right. How much money do you got? Because you came in here nutty. So what you mean? You bigger with the money or without the money? You make right decisions with money or without money?

No, I make the right decision, period, because I'm a man. Not because I got money, because I'm a man. And I done set it up to be a man. Look at how many motherfuckers ain't no man. I mean, they ain't no man.

There's a lot of not-mans. Yeah, so I'm paying the penalty for being a man. A man a man. Mm-hmm. A man's man. How much that cost? You got to go through something to make the money stick. I'll use the bathroom after you.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yo, that shit is so, it's like. Because we twins. Right. And in life, they not going to get what a person thinks. There's always going to be people that got more money than me, as much money than me and less money than me. As long as I'm breathing.

I'm not keeping account of that. I'm keeping account of my moves. Do you understand? Because when the pandemic was here, I was I was living in of my moves. Do you understand? Because when the pandemic was here, I was, I was living in my shoe box. Hip hop wasn't earning nothing. And I was just having things that I already paid for.

That wasn't struggling. My house is done. My shit is done. All I got to do is maintain. I'm past the stage of struggling. It's about your moves. Now, if you make the wrong move, you're going to struggle, Nori. You're going to be hurt. But if you got the right foundation and you got the wheel, you know what it is. You know what it is to move that wheel and how, what the results are going to be.

Because the love got to be there. The love got to be there, man. You got to love what you do. You can't fake what you do. You can't be fake. Because at some point you're going to explode. I don't want to do this no more. I'm sick of you.

Yeah, you're losing it it You're out of your character So you got a Whole album dropping With Peter Gunz Yeah my man The Odd Couple Ain't it odd By the way I'm jealous of you

Cause I always wanted to use that Cause I know I've seen the Odd Couple The actual TV show I've seen it so I always wanted to use that Ain't it all? I've seen the odd couple the actual TV show. Yeah. I've seen it so I always wanted to use that for a title and y'all beat me to it so y'all light skin niggas beat me. There's a volume too. You can still use it. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm going to get on the album with y'all.

Alright. I'm going to save him a verse. But how did this come about? Just hanging out with him and vibing off him because when you see him on TV, yeah. He's a good guy. You get another version of him that's just, he's a sweetheart, man. I love him, man. He's my brother.

He's my brother. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And for me, I always tease him. I say, yeah, damn, man, another Peter, huh? You know what I mean? You motherfuckers don't, you just pop up. You know what I mean? Oh, man. Another Peter, huh? You know what I mean? You motherfuckers don't.

You just pop up. You know what I mean? Oh, I didn't beep that. Your next album was another Peter. But I'm going to try it out. Because I'm a gambler. I'm going to just make sure it works. You know what I mean? You can't strike out twice.

Right. Right. So, yeah. We had this project called The Odd Couple, man. The Odd Couple. It's like an EP. Okay. And we got all different songs of just complimenting each other. He's more like an Oscar and I'm more like a Felix.

Okay, that's nice. We compliment each other, man. Okay, what do you got on the album? It's just me and him, and we got Primo. Oh. No, pardon me. We got Large Professor. Large Professor.

Pardon me. We got Large Professor. On all? No, on two joints. Wow. And then we got Terminology. Terminology. He's big on Terminology.

We got Terminology, and we got Static Selector. Static Selector. Which is a- They're like the same person. It's Terminology and Static Selector. Terminology and Static Selector. Static Selector. They're like the same person. It's Terminology and Static Selector. Terminology and Static Selector are like the same, but they're a crew. They're a crew. I'm bugging you.

What I want to thank them for is that I made a record with Paul Wall, and that was a dope joint. Oh, big up to him. Paul Wall's new, man. Yes. I mean, that was a dope joint. So I really love that they are on their grind. What'd you get your shit professionally, bro? I mean, yeah.

It's Boris. He's from Peru. Wow. He's from Peru. He walks with the llamas? Yeah. He wrestles alligators. I don't know.

I like to say that. G1. I want to personally thank you. You heard, CL? Go ahead. But G1, I want to personally thank you. You heard CL? Go ahead. I want to personally thank you because what you did to hip hop, we all owe you. All of us.

All of us. When I say you changed the game, I'm dead serious. Like you changed the way people rhyme you changed the way people walk you changed the way people made it classy too and you made it classy and you made it classic and I wanted to thank you to your face

besides the flowers besides everything because you are truly a legend you are truly an icon and I loved when I was just, you know, you know, I'm searching you and I'm like, damn. From that point of the game,

the game has changed. And it changed for the better. And that's because of you. And I wanted to thank you to your face. Because that's real. That's real. that's real that's real that's real because um and uh we we wanted to give you flowers from the beginning of us starting the show right absolutely yeah yes yes especially you yes yes yes you always told me yes no no no we've been stalking you on the low yeah let me get me get my lighter back. I got to tell you. I'm always taking your lighter, though.

I got a little bit of Brooklyn in you. Yeah. Whatever, you know, that lighter, that lighter. That's what you know, nigga. Nigga, you take your lighter from me. You don't smoke. You don't know that. Yeah.

So, um, I heard you talk about one time you had a fight and Heavy D pulled up on you and told you to get in the car. And you got mad or have got mad because you didn't get in the car at first. You still wanted to get it in. That was some fight. Some fight. Wow. That was over a girl.

And she was really my friend. You ain't smash? No. Okay. Because she was really my friend. Wow. See, I had a lot of female friends like i had a lot of male friends okay and we had that same mutual respect for each other like i have some friends you have some friends that you can smash but then you have some friends that y'all just make fried hot dogs. Y'all just flip You say fried hot dogs? Yeah, fried hot dogs.

I never heard of that. Okay. Fried hot dogs. What is that? You put it on a pan. Yeah, you fry the bun. You toast the bun. Yeah, bro. Sometimes you slice the hot dog in the middle. You slice it down the middle and you fry it. I'm comfortable with this conversation a little.

Why? Freaky ass niggas, y'all. Gleasy ass guys. I'm fucking with y'all guys. Pause. Anyway. Anyway. Yeah, so yeah.

You know, you just have some friends that you bond with. Right. You do things with other than when you're with your male friends. Our younger cousins were together. They was kicking it. His friends, his girl? The female friend that I had

that was going with Troy, that's his girl. But it was my friend. Not knowing, I didn't know Troy back then, but our little cousins were together so we were chaperoning so you're basically saying that you and troy had beef i didn't know troy eventually long story short yes do you know that long story short yes this is he's my brother yes so but but you had beef at first Absolutely

Over this girl Wow Over this girl But it was really My little cousin Going with her little cousin And we were chaperoning Wow

That's how y'all connected You know what I mean That's how we were together I couldn't leave him In Mount Vernon To go there by himself So I went with him You know what I'm saying

So That's how we were doing it And It wasn't appreciated. At first he pulled up. Have. No, no, no. It wasn't have.

It was just him and his goons. Troy. Right. Okay. And then she talked to him and they worked it out. And then one day, like maybe a year later, when they were up, when they were really up. Right. And I wasn't nothing. Right. Had to be like, I don't know.

I know I had night school, and I had to make up some classes to graduate, and they were already up. It was the 80s. They were already up. And they came on the block, and they asked, can we get a fair one with me? But I didn't know what they were talking about, really.

But that's what they were talking about. So they were asking my friends, could they get a fair one? They thought you were smashing the homie? Yeah. But I thought it was over. Okay. I thought it was over. Evidently, it wasn't.

So they came on the block and a few dudes lined up in front of me, but you know, I wasn't. I heard you say the block was bumping at the time. It was banging. It was banging. Yeah, the buses was moving, there was traffic and long story short, once they got the cosign, it was like five or six dudes

jumping on me. Wow. Right? So once they pulled everybody off of me, then that's when the fight started but i was really messed up you know what i mean and i had taken a like a like a somebody had a spike ring that's the scar you have right now yeah from the spike ring and punch me where i could put my lip through my my tongue my through my lip I could put my tongue through my lip. And I was swallowing all that blood. I could just taste it.

But see, when I taste that blood, it does something to me. But I was still messed up, mind you. But when we got out in the street and I got my head together, we performed well. Right. We perform well.

Right. You know what I'm saying? See, what they don't understand is it's hard to fight a left-handed person. I heard you say it had to do with Southpaw. It's hard to fight a left-handed person because I'm left-handed. It's hard to fight me. Oh, Southpaw. It's hard to fight me. It's hard to fight me

because you don't know where it's coming from. It's the blind side of whatever you're doing. So when you throw the right hand, when you throw the right hand, I'm coming over the right hand. So you're not seeing, you're seeing your punch, but you're not seeing my punch. If I was right-handed,

you could see my punches, but I'm left-handed, so you can't see my punches. So nine times out of ten, every time I had a fight, you either try to scoop me after a while, you try to scoop me, and that's when you lose. That's when you lose, when you try

to scoop me. You really do like a boxer. Huh? You really do. But I studied all the boxing. Nah, I'm telling you. I thought I was going to be a boxer. I studied all the boxing. I'm telling you. I thought I was going to be a boxer. I studied all the boxing. I used to run, jog with my dog. I used to jog with my dog. I used to think, listen,

I can't take losses. I can't take beatings. That's the only thing I can't take. I can't take beatings from my mom, my dad, and the niggas on the street. I can't take the beating. What are you going to do about it? You got to figure it out. You know what I'm saying?

I never, at 15, I never hung with a kid 15. Wow. My friends was like 30, 32. Damn. 15,

30, 15 to 30. Jesus Christ. Because the streets were different back then. Yeah, it was. You got to think the streets of a dude with a third grade education can have

a multimillionaire business on the corner. So how is he not going to mess with a 15 year old or 14 year old or 12 year old? That's how we learned. Well, the other thing you said that I think is lost is chaperoning.

Yeah, chaperoning. That's not happening anymore. Nah. People ain't taking their siblings or their cousins. But I cared about my cousin, and I cared what happened to him, and I knew the climate. So I wanted him to have a good time, not get hurt, not figure out that this girl is not who you should be with, but figure it out yourself. But I'm here when it messes up nobody's taking care of their it's all about family right you

know I'm saying you gonna look out for family if it's your family and it's your close friend and it's somebody that means something to you you're gonna look out for them right you know I'm saying you're not gonna let them go into something that could hurt them. You know? So, especially when they're a couple of years younger than you. Right. You know? But that was a real famous fight in the town.

That was a heavy fight in the town. And we became best friends. Hev picked us up. And I didn't want to get in the car. He picked both of y'all up? He had him in the car. Oh. Already in the back seat.

Oh, that's why you didn't want to get in. I didn't want to get in because his brother. Hit you in the back of the head. His brother kept hitting me in the back of the head. But then my friend hit his brother. And when his brother, his brother didn't just, when my friend hit him, he felt like this, not crumble. He felt like he was already knocked out and hit his head and bust his head. Like timber.

And hit his head, the back of his head, and the blood start coming out of it. Right. So when we saw that, we figured now the fight is really on. Right. Because they kept saying, you came up here to fight him. Now you keep jumping in when you're losing. You keep jumping in. And I already knew I had a concussion. He was giving me two or three concussions. I already knew I had a concussion when he jumped on me the first time I knew I

had a concussion. So that's how it was really a real, real fight. But through all of that, Hev was mad at Troy for going up there and challenging the whole thing. And after that, God is good. We became brothers. We became tight. And, you know, when it happened, when he died, I felt something. I felt bad because I knew when we had that fight, he transferred all his riches over to me. I knew it when he did that because I was nutted and he was up. But when he did that, he changed my life for the better.

That one fight changed my life, and it put me on a path to work with Eddie F, to work with Heavy D, to work with Pete Rock, to work with Al B. Shore, to work with Jeff Redd. There was a lot of groups that when you say that it elevated like it brought you in like how did you mean because you messing like fighting him or having beef with him brought you in that i was a nobody right it elevated you in a sense he was the guy he fought a nobody right and made him somebody wow it's great he should have avoided that nobody wow he made him somebody that's what

see these are the lessons you learn in life when you are intelligent enough to sit back in your easy chair and and see the vision of it and how you could teach your grandson or your sons how this thing go well okay stop me for one second that's why I know you think like a boxer let me just tell you something a boxer on that night and when you fight you are on that same boxer's level it does not matter if you're Muhammad Ali

and you fucking this blunt right here if Muhammad Ali fights this blunt that blunt is on the same level that's how I know you think like a boxer I just didn't want to lose I just didn't want to lose. I just didn't want to lose. And I know how horrific it was in those days to lose because it wasn't like getting shot.

You're getting your ass whooped. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when they ask you for that five minutes, it's really 10, 15 minutes of your ass getting whooped that's a lifetime so it's like drowning it's like drowning you can't control what another person's doing to you

and that was always my deep dark fear that I can't have that at all and I know you're better than me but I got tricks and when I don't use them tricks me, but I got tricks. And when I don't use them tricks, that's when I'm going to lose.

But I got tricks for you because all my old friends, by the time they got finished with me, nobody in junior high school could deal with me unless you were 100 pounds bigger. That's the only time I lost. And when I was 100, you were 100 pounds bigger than me

so you can move me you can ragdoll me you can smother my stuff and next thing I know my head is being slammed into a parked car that's how it was back in them days you could get a fair one yeah

for real I wish they'd bring that back there'd be a lot more people alive back there'll be a lot more people a lot and there'll be a lot more men right being formed of course yeah because that's what made men makes you when you could get that five minutes win or lose i didn't win them all right when the whole point was right you don't want to fight again right you know i'm saying you don't want to fight again. Right. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to fight again. It's like a soldier that went to war knows what war is. And you know they end up respecting you.

Right. Your enemies become your friends, and your friends become your enemies when you get money. Right. That's what happened with you and Troy. Yeah. Y'all became friends after that. We became friends. Right.

And when you become friends, and you have those type of friends, then you change your outlook on friendship. The friends you had before are not your friends anymore because they can't relate to you anymore. They don't see your growth. They don't see your maturity. They don't see your elevation. They don't see your God. They on demon time and you like, what are you talking about? Everything I got from God, what you got from the devil.

Everything I got is from God. I thought it was me. I was telling you it was me, but I didn't know it wasn't me. It was God giving me everything. I'm telling you, cross over so you can get what I get. But you on demon time. You keep professing it so it has to come true.

So don't get mad when I have more than you. Right. So how did y'all how did y'all because how did y'all actually go from being foes to friends? I know you said Heavy had him in the car.

Heavy connected it because Hef was the one that brought, he brought the reality to it. He brought the facts to it. You are on a job. You are in the spotlight. Totally you. No, no. I wasn't in the spotlight. Troy was in the spotlight totally you no no I wasn't in the spotlight Troy was in the spotlight Troy was on the album covers

Troy was that guy I was never that guy you Troy made that guy that night he made that night that's crazy nobody knew it

but he made Corey that night see certain things have to happen in order for you to be you. It don't take you to be you sometime. It take another person to be you. Then

another person introduces you when you get bigger. You know what I'm saying? It's about networking. We didn't have all that other stuff back then, but the networking. If the networking if you official you official if you are lame you are lame if you unproductive you unproductive but even the unproductive dudes got some love because they knew he might be unproductive but when homie get off

that porch he gonna fire away yeah he gonna let. Yeah. So he's not a thinker. He's a doer. You know what I mean? Let me do the thinking. You do the doing. You know what I mean? Real talk. Real talk, man. Jesus. We had fun in those days. Yes.

Those were the, like I'm an old New Yorker. I always tell everybody this new New York I'm not from. I'm an old New Yorker. I always tell everybody, this new New York, I'm not from. I'm from the town, but I'm from the old New York. You know what I mean? Down to the blackouts and the serial killers. I'm from the old New York. I'm from the old New York.

I remember when, and it's not the negative part. It's when everybody was alive. I remember 40 seconds when Disney wasn't there. There you go. And everybody was alive. The peep shows. The peep shows. Everybody was alive. Everybody was out of jail. Everybody wasn't littering the graveyard.

And none of us sound like each other as artists. No. You wanted to be different and the stick up as artists no you wanted to be different in the stick up kids that's who you wanted to be like yes that's real because they had it all that's real i remember um i used to get pulled over and tell the people i'm a rapper that was cool now i get pulled over i tell them i'm a drug dealer look at it it's safer to be a drug dealer look it it's safer to be a drug dealer than a rapper right now like this is crazy did you realize the drug dealer and a rapper kind of like switch sides because at one point it was so cool to be a drug dealer right that's all we had and then we realized their fate was two different things right it was the jail or whatever

right but then the rapper took over right but now the rapper is becoming the drug dealer right their fate is the same it's the fate is the same did you ever think that you would see that no i would never think it because we were always trying to get out like we're talking about yes like we shouldn't get out the ghetto uh-huh we wasn't trying to come the only reason why the dealers were in the ghetto with their money is because their business was there that's real their business was there right so in order to do their business they gotta be there right if they're not there they ain't doing no business that's real okay so when i became a rapper my thing was to get out yeah me too i don't want to i don't want a house next to you i don't want to live next to the stick up kid i don't want to live next to the drug dealer no i don't want to live next to

the the dude extorting somebody or or or he's a mugger i don't want to oh he go to jail all the time yeah i go visit over there. I'm not trying to stay over there. Because I know it's just a matter of time. When I elevate, they come into my spot. When I want something, they come in. You never too big to get robbed. It's real.

You never too big to get robbed. Come on. I just can't live with it. That's the only thing difference with me is that you could take a little change from me and I'm willing to die for it because I'm not built like that. You got to rob the dead body. I'm not conditioned to give you my stuff. I'm conditioned to die because this is what I'm willing to wear.

That's it. It's what you can live with. Some people can live with giving it up. I don't think I can live with that because once I do that, you got to keep giving it up. And I'm not with that. So let's go in our range of what we do

and how we do it and not overextend ourselves. That's why I said I like to live under my means, but in a better neighborhood than you. Right? Why? Because how are we going to survive if we don't got no good base?

Even Al-Qaeda got a good base. Sure. To blow up shit, you got to have a good base. Right? Where's shit going to land? You ain't got a good base. That shit come right back and blow up your shit.

Come on, baby. He said even Al Qaeda got a good base. Oh, my God. Come on. The soup is crazy. Come on, bro. That's weird. No, it takes the base for you.

Your foundation, right? Right. That's what it is. A base is a foundation that you build off of. Right. And on that foundation, if you build straw, you know you could burn it down. If you build it with bricks, it's going gonna be sturdy. So that's a good foundation As long as your foundation is good. Anything is possible. All right, you know I'm saying

let me um, I Know I asked you this a little bit earlier in a different way, but again For me I in a different way. But again, for me, I love the rap. I had, you know, as at least at one point that was, that was my craftmanship. But,

um, when I had to turn it into business, I kind of like hated it because I had to look at every look, every facet of every facet of it. And when I looked at, and by the way, God bless me for everybody else in this room. I know that this question might be just for me because when I did look at

every facet of it, I was disgusted. Facet as far as how? Like, as far as to turn like, like I'm actually i'm actually like when i'm i'm i need to say it to myself like i was actually a pawn in this when i looked at it like this was a high loan that i accepted yeah that i signed for we've

talked about this a lot i signed for i accepted i accepted, I signed for, and I always, like, I was like the dumb kid that said, you know what? I know this deal is bad, but the next one is going to be greater. Right. So that's, and then I realized during this show that everyone else thought like me too. Sure. It's how you flip it after that. No. Yes, of too. Sure. It's how you flip it after that. No. Yes, of course.

Right. When it was your first deal. Mm-hmm. Did you read it and know that this might have not been the right thing to sign, but you still did it? Just like I did? Yo, you know what? You're asking me a question I don't know shit about. What do you mean?

Because it's like I don't remember if it was good or not. It was just an opportunity? Yeah, I don't remember if it was like, who says oh, I know about that deal. I know where I came from. I don't

have nothing. How do I know about that? Like, I needed Eddie. I needed Hev. I needed I needed shit. Like what do I know? How am I? No, listen. I ain't go to school for that.

How do I know what's good and bad? How do I know unless he told me? If he told me it's good, then it must be good. If it ain't good's good, then it must be good. If it ain't good, he going to get his neck broke. Who are you saying? When you say he, who are you talking about?

Whoever. Okay. Whoever. Because isn't that what was going on back then? Yeah, you're right. How are you going to tell these little kids you robbing them? You can't. That's why I said it's predatory lending. Right. So I'm thinking as I get older and get 25, your foot is in the door.

Make it work. Yep. Get the other foot in. That's exactly how I thought. Yeah, so I don't care what you're robbing me. That's the rite of passage, robbing me. Right. Okay, now, once you're finished robbing me can i plug the hole

can do i know how to plug it do i know how to make it to where they're not robbing me no more and plug the hole and then now the oil ain't leaking now the air ain't coming out of the balloon now can i get money now because i know you robbed me here so now you can't rob me because as I'm going on, I'm educating myself to what I'm getting into. It's like, I ain't know what Rikers Island was about till I got there, bro. And then when I got

there, there's certain things you got to do. When you get there, it's not Valhalla. It's not. Valhalla is the jail in Mosleyhalla, that's the jail in Moscow? Yeah. Okay. So two different things.

Right? So you have to know how to adapt to whatever you're doing. If you don't know you're getting robbed because you're getting money and you was nutted. So you don't know you're getting robbed till you get educated. Then you start fixing yourself yeah I'm sure every drug dealer that's a kingpin they got robbed first before they knew

before they knew how to whip that motherfucking shit like right so they was getting robbed till he knew how to wrist that joint and stretch that motherfucking thing and make it what it is. Now, he don't need you no more because now he know what to do.

You can't rob him no more. So he going to take his show on the road. And that's what it is. That was a rite of passage back then to get robbed. Now, when you get robbed, it's so many variables to... You talking about the record labels? I'm talking about right now. Back then, you could get robbed

and nobody ever know it till you die. Probably. Right? Yes. Now, when you get robbed, they know it right away. 360 deal? Yeah, yeah, they know it right away.

Yeah, well, there ain't no delay. As soon as you wake up, he took this, he took that yeah i'm yo like i told you i'm so in awe of their real life not their music business their music business just introduced me to their real life right like you really go through those problems with seven million dollars i ain't going to that problem with 700 000 right you really paying them niggas yeah and they acting like that when you're in jail and they come yo that shit is like a movie to me right i'm like a youtube junkie to it for real i'm listen how i keep myself hip

is not being some old man around young niggas. It's outside looking in of the spectrum. And social media allows you to look into people's lives without even fucking with them. Without even knowing them. It's very true. You dig? Without even having no stakes in what they doing. Now, if it was my job to bust you,

Lord have mercy. How are you surviving? I'll be a church boy. I'll be a choir boy. How are you surviving with these cameras on the street? You bringing the camera every time you do a murder and a robbery and a fucking stick up. Come on, bro. What are we doing, man?

I thought the whole objective is to get away with it. I went backwards. Now your shit is to take ownership of it and do 30, 40 years with $15 million. And film it to let your ops know you did it. With $15 million in the bank. Yeah. Doing that.

Come on, man. This world is different. I'm supposed to be an old man because I don't want to grow up with them making those mistakes. Now, I can see you you shot up four people that try to rob your drug spot. That's my era.

You know what I mean? You a serial killer. You got busted. You doing 150 years. Yeah, that's my era. This getting 15 million and coming back to fire away You a serial killer. You got busted. You doing 150 years. Yeah, that's my era. All right. This getting 15 million and coming back to fire away at niggas who don't got $300. Getting killed in an Uber. No.

Come on. And you drive a Maybach and you killing a nigga in an Uber? Come on, man. Dancing on graves. You needed money for that? I'm going to say it again. You needed money for that? I'm going to say it again. You needed money for that? You should have no money.

And you got 15 million. You couldn't find something else to do? Yeah. Wait, and the music. The music predicates that you do that. What kind of music is that? And everything sound the same. Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill.

I love you. But that killing shit make me not trust you. So when you say you a rapper now, what do you mean? That's like saying I go to Iraq and I shoot people. You a soldier. You getting ready to die. Why you buying watches?

You ain't going to be here. But let's be honest here. There's a lot of dope artists out there, young artists that are doing dope shit that are not that. Hold on. Why do they take the best artists and kill them? You leave us with shit. You ain't, yo, the ones coming after them, come on, let's be keeping a hundred. They ain't like that. You killing the best shit. You just killed the best shit. I know the difference when an apple is bruised or is pure. I know the difference, bro.

Why are you killing the best shit? And you leaving us with the alternatives. The 12th nigga off the bench. That nigga ain't Jordan. That nigga ain't Kobe. You just killed him. How? How is this a business?

It's beyond business. It's monkey business. It's monkey business. Without trees to swing on. You're just slamming your head on the concrete. You're just swinging in the air and your head hit the concrete. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. How we doing this, man? I love for, in order for us young people to win and win big, our young people got to win.

I don't see no white kids with those type of problems. I don't see no Arab kids with those type of problems. I don't see it. Why we got that problem? Why we can't love you and cherish you? Why you got to kill your own good shit you just killed Pop Smoke man then you come behind him with what he's the best

what are you coming with he's the best and you killed him you killed him and you want us to settle for you I don't really feel that I don't really feel that. I don't really feel,

I remember when you ain't even know our mothers. Now you know everybody mother. I told you. Oh, you think they, everybody's in a business. Everybody's in everybody's business, man.

That's some punk shit. I don't, I don't get it. They know your mom. They know, they know who you don't need. You ain't. They know your mom. They know who? You ain't supposed to know my mom, my dad. Let's keep it on this. You know what I mean? Yep.

Like, nobody know who Aaron Judge's parents is. Nobody care. Derek Jeter, cool. They in the box. No, we know Derek Jeter's parents is white and black. That's all we know. But see, that's the point. There's a place for it.

There's a position for it. Right. Nobody want to see a black mother and a Spanish mother crying over you killed their kid with $7, $8, $20 million. With the potential to have 100 million. So what does that say for our culture? It's a destructive culture. Somebody has to win from

this destructive culture. Who wins? There's a winner. Who wins? Then when you find out who wins, aren't you fucking disgusted we was disgusted when we got robbed it's bigger than that now

bigger than that we end up getting our money we end up getting our money back but hold up hold up hold up because when I was saying there's dope artists there's dope artists, there's dope artists beyond the artists that are talking, because some of the artists we've mentioned

in, we're talking the street shit. Yeah. There's a lot of young, dope artists that aren't talking the street shit that are lyrical MCs that are in this whole youth culture. Denzel Curry? Denzel Curry or Coast Contra, what is it contract with

coast contra right those guys which those guys off the chain nah those guys off the chain there's a bunch of dope young art the thing is the difference between our era and this era is it's so many artists it's hard to keep track there could be an artist that does festivals and has millions of fans that we would never even know of if they ask us. You know what I'm saying? Like our brother Russ. I love Russ. You would never know.

Russ. And I love what Russ is doing. But I look and I see and no one, like, you know what I mean? Like, that kind of co-signs Russ. But I do. But my point is. What co-signs him is his fan base. Right. I'm his fan do. But my point is... What cosigns them is his fan base. Right, but this is my point. My point is this, is that we

concentrate on the negative because the negative shines the most. The controversy shines the most. The negativity, we're all attracted. We're all attracted to the negativity. So if that doesn't come with the element, then it goes by the wayside. You have this

dope-ass artist over here that's killing the game, but this person does this or gets killed, and we're all here. We're not here. With this guy who has a million or girl who has a million-plus fan base that's positive and is a true emcee and is of the culture, we're not here. It was one net at one time. Right. Now it's pockets

of rap. But we need to open ourselves. This pocket might have drill. This pocket might have trap. This pocket might have conscious. And this pocket might have

ratchet. Let me ask. Let me change the subject. No, no, no. We shouldn't change the subject. Okay. We should stay on the subject. Stay on it.

Because I think this is important for us to speak about because I think that there's a lot of positivity in the culture that we just don't shine a light on. That's doing a lot of good things. But it's not a whole. See, you can't shine light on something that pockets of things override. No, you're right. It overrides it because you're saying, okay, now, if I come in with ratchet, you ain't selling. If I come in with drill, you ain't selling. Now, the only thing that I positive I give to the whole concept of when it was a whole is that the insurance was lower.

You can get somewhere. Now, insurance is high for these artists, these young artists. Yeah, they're getting a lot of money, but you got to be on the tour. You can't spot date. You can't do all of these things because the insurance is so enormous because somebody's going to get shot. Yeah, somebody's going to die. Are you saying that this artist over here on the negative tip is making more bread than this artist over here? Yes.

It's actually not true. How do you figure? I don't say that. No, that's what I'm saying. Because we're living in a time, fortunately for these artists, that they find their fan base. And they're playing festivals. And they've got direct-to-consumer. And they're making millions of dollars.

But if you ask you, me, or you, hey, do you know MC so-and-so? They'll be like, I ain't never heard of him. Because they're not directly in our gram feed. I agree with you. But I also agree that he's not getting in trouble. So he's banking all his money, minus of what his business consists of. But that same guy that's getting in trouble, not only does he have to spend the money to stay out to get out of trouble,

but he has to keep up with the guy that's not getting in trouble. So he has to make more. He has to make more. Okay, so that guy is not going to be in demand like this serial killer. No way.

No way. The serial killer's in demand. The serial killer's in demand. You no way the serial killers in the man serial killers demand you fuck with the serial killer which was cornflakes or listen when that insurance is high that's a high demand right because in order for you to even consider it, it has to be in demand. So that nice guy, he's going to go steady. I love the nice guy. That's like my dad. He's the nice guy. Everybody had way more money than him, and they went to jail.

But he kept going along, kept his house in Queens, paid it off. But these guys had millions of dollars and ran Queens. But my dad, he stayed the course. He stayed the course. He never went to jail. He stayed the course. His house is paid off.

These guys with millions of dollars are just coming out of jail or getting ready to come out of jail. And what did my dad do? He kept that little engine that could running. These guys had big Boeing setting 47. My dad never been on no private jet and these dudes go to jail. But, but still,

this is what I'm saying. They're not nice guys. What I'm trying to say, who's not nice guy, the guys that I'm talking about, that doesn't necessarily mean they're nice guys in the sense of the type of music they make. For example, Tech, who's already

OG, his background is that he was a blood. You know what I'm saying? But he made his chops and he made his millions and independent and he did his thing. Denzel Curry, he comes from Raider Clan. Originally cool with A$AP Rocky in them

he's doing his thing it's just these artists they're deciding not to go they're smarter let's put it that way these guys are smarter but you just answered it because you're saying it's a choice you can't do both realistically you cannot do both so you're going to have to

make a choice which we call an executive decision which a lot of people can't make in life. Executive decision making. Why? Because they're afraid of people not liking them. They're afraid of people criticizing them. But it's for the long run when you make executive decisions. Right. That it works out. And it's not popular until later on.

Then that means when it becomes popular that you made that executive decision. Everybody hated you until five years from now. Right. Now they see your vision. These young boys out here, it's a choice. Either you're going to carry something or feed that or not. It's a choice. If you get out here and you know what culture you come from and you know that you came from the streets in a violent background,

then that's all you're going to be doing is feeding that violent background till you find a solution to your problem. And that's what you need in order for you to have longevity and be a great artist with something to contribute to the culture such as myself. I even had to make choices. Right. You can't hang with the same dudes that's killing up shit and you not go to jail. Come on. You got to make a choice. You guys don't think that there's also a culture because of technology

and a lot of other things around technology, but a culture of artists that aren't really truly invested in hip-hop culture, they just see, oh, this is a means to getting a bag, and I do not give a fuck about hip-hop i'm not mad at them because you're not mad i'm not mad at them because you're doing you're doing what an executive is doing right so how can i be mad at you you can for thinking like yeah do i expect you to love what you do that's that's asking much of you. No, you doing what an executive does. I don't like it, but this is a means to feed my family.

Right. This is a means to get where I got to go. It's called stepping stones to get where you got to go. But this is a means. I might sell drugs to own that building. Right. But I don't want to sell drugs. I don't want to be known as a drug dealer, but I had to sell drugs to buy that building.

Now I don't have to. I'm a landlord. I'm into owning buildings. So they changed the perception of what's initially happening. Right. And they're doing it more and more because technology's allowing you to do it. They're allowing you to change your perception overnight of a nigga. That's so deep.

That's deep. Yeah. So, you know, the demand is pockets in rap. Rap is not a whole. Rap is a fan base of, yo, you got artists that nobody know and they got a bigger fan base than a mainstream artist.

But I see that recently. That's what I'm saying. Recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Recently. You don't understand what this game of technology has done to the music business. It's destroyed it. Right.

And made, I'm going to keep it a hundred. We used to be like, we used to look at all these little hick towns and be like, what's he talking about? That shit is like the rapping Duke almost. But then now you starting to see you live in that little ass town and you got more money than us New York niggas. They have that niche. Because in your economy is little to nothing so do you know how you look you look like fucking Trump right yeah so when things are bad it's always a good too it's a weird morbid perception of what this music business has turned into

when we was little babies we always heard about the music business being this, that, and the third and it's bad and it's until we got in it. And we say, yeah, listen, it gave us everything. But now, you see it morphed back into

a self-destructive thing when we have music called self-destruction. Self-destruction. You know have music called self-destruction self-destruction you know what i mean we have made we made music we we prophesize this shit but we cannot forget that the modern music industry was built by the mob but we prophesize but i'm saying that we can never forget that when we talk about everything was built from the mob right but it took it's a it was a racket it took yeah it yeah. Everything was a racket. Right.

Till it became a business. Right. And then once it became a business, we were 10 steps behind. Because they made it a business. We didn't make it a business. Right. So that's where we're coming from when it comes to the economic of this product and how you have rock and roll being celebrated you have other genres of music being celebrated people are even to be

celebrated they're crossing over the country music to be celebrated right yeah rap is the phenomenon across all it does not celebrate you but it could go over there and be celebrated your peers celebrate you just keep it a hundred your peers celebrate you the people who love the music celebrate you you just said it's somebody who just they don't care it's the ends it's it's the ends to a means It's about I'm going to get the bag And I'm going to do this I always wanted to do this I want to

Paint sculptures With my rap money I want to do this With my rap money Come on I want to cook you food I want you to buy my shoe I want to, I want to, I want you to buy my shoe. I want you to wear my tie.

You dig? I want you to wear my shirt because it's always been a, you created it. We was the only ones that say, yeah, we're going to get rich off this shit. And y'all ain't, boy, what are you talking about? I'm different from y'all. I don't do what y'all do. Y'all do what each other do. But now, look how they flipped it.

They said, aha, I'm going to make everybody sound the same and they're going to get paid. And you're going to sound different and not get paid. Wow. How you like that? Then you're going to have to really go off of what you invested in over here with your clay thing and your your land and your this and that. Yeah, they put you to the test. But God makes a way for everything. God don't make no mistakes.

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Fat Joe got the key to the city. I saw Flex very briefly, but I very, very much love Flex. Yeah. I love him. I like the man he's become. I like the man he is. Yes. much love for Lex. I love him. I like the man he's become. I like the man he is. And when you disagree with him, do you know you can always sit

down with him and talk to him? Yeah. Even if y'all got super duper hectic, heavy, hot beef, he can talk. He got a wheel. He can spin it. He got a wheel.

He can spin it. He got a wheel, meaning a table. When I say a wheel, your table is your wheel. Your round table, who you got at your table, that's your wheel. So he got a wheel, man, and he's a loving brother. And who doesn't understand him because he's kind of harsh you gotta get to understand him because it's not what he says it's the way he says it

so let me ask you um also when you know we keep googling you flex went at pete rock yeah do you think he went at p Rock because of you? Your relationship? I'm asking. This is... It could be a possibility, yes. Okay. Because brothers are going to

take up for brothers. I like the honesty. And brothers are going to remind you who your brother is. I love the honesty. You know what I'm saying? Brothers are going to always put it in the perspective of asking you and loving you

and understanding where you coming from before they go to war you understand so i looked at it like this when i finally listened to it i said yo if i would have said that i don'd have sounded like a fucking hater. But if he say it, that's his blame. He's not taking himself out of his zone. So I'm with 48 Laws of Power. I'm a master thinker. I'm with placing the game the way it's supposed to be and playing.

There is a game to be played. Yeah, no. Okay. So however you come up with your shit is how you come up with it. It don't mean I'm a writer. It don't mean I'm a writer, but I got brothers, nigga, that love me too, like they love you, and they still love you. They just, he done did the same thing for me if I interrupted his shit, checking another nigga. Yo, nigga, yo, Nori, fuck you.

What? I'm talking to this nigga. What you mean? What you mean, CL? What you mean? I'm talking to him. Who are you? You know what I'm saying? So,

I love him, man. I love P2. I ain't gonna lie. I don't gotta like you to love you. Right. I respect that. I love you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, to love you. I love you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I love you. I love you. I love what you gave me.

I appreciate it. I think that's the most important thing you can be, is appreciative to what somebody give you from their heart and from their creativity and their soul because they wanted to win like you. So I appreciate that. You know what I'm saying? So I'll always give them as props for

we made it. I didn't make it. You didn't make it. We can argue like that. But it's we. But it's we. We don't have to acknowledge it all the time in the argument. It's fire argument But it's we You know what I mean

Without acknowledgement You know what I'm saying That's fire That's fire Man I ain't gonna lie to you still man I'm so proud of your growth I'm so

Proud of how you take life. Life is meant to be lived. You can have $1 and a million dollars. I'm tired of seeing poor people be happy and I'm not happy. I'm tired of it. I ain't catch that part. be happy and I'm not happy. I'm tired of it. I ain't catch that part. I'm tired of seeing poor people happy with what they have.

They don't expect nothing and they happy. Why can't you be happy? Why can't you? With simple things. You've accomplished things. Don't think that everything is about you. It's about what you have accomplished, what you have earned, and what you're doing with it.

That says more volumes than what you are talking about. You want people to know about you. It ain't you. I'm just a vessel. I'm just a vessel now, man. It ain't about me no more. It's about my higher power. It's about my God.

You know what I'm saying? But it ain't in the church. It's about what I do every day. You know what I'm saying? Because I know for sure I ain't get all this shit with my smarts. Somebody had to give it to me. And that's what people

are feeling the real acknowledge. Somebody had to give it to him. Did you appreciate it? Did you do the right thing with it? You know what I'm saying? But somebody had to give, bless you. It's called blessings.

Yes, I love blessings. Like, like, nobody thought drink champs. Bang. nori. He wasn't talking to you like that. He wasn't, he was like, what, what, what? Love it.

He wasn't, well, let me hear what you got to say. So you see that evolution of a man Growing and blossoming And his wife watering the plant And allowing him to be Have a wider territory Right You dig? Right Yeah

Niggas don't accomplish that shit with gangs Niggas don't accomplish that shit With the best five on the block. It takes a strong woman to make a strong man. It takes that. It's all you need, man. It's a great partner. That's what made my music, right?

A great partner. So why wouldn't my music, right? A great partner. So why wouldn't you take that same formula and put it into real life and say, yo, cool, I need a great partner. Shouldn't that be my goal now? Great partner. Nurture it, water it. Make sure the soil right.

Make sure she happy. Ultimately, when she happy, I could do a whole lot more. Right? I could do a whole lot more when she happy. You know what I'm saying? And I could be around a whole lot more. Even the shit I'm not supposed to be around. Because she give me

that grace. She give me that position. And do believe I'm like a running back. I take all of the yards. This guy's a sports guy for sure. Because I'm like a running back. I take all of the yards. This guy's a sports guy. Because I will be honest with you. Did you watch

him in common on here? I did. And he seemed very open to you guys doing stuff. I felt. What do you think? See, now that I'm on the platform, I see how easy it is to be nice. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. I get it. You know what I mean? I get it. I get it. You see how easy it is to be. Nori makes it so like, you know what I mean? Trust me.

He puts it right there and you just eat it up. You know what I mean? So I wasn't planning to say shit. But here, you could just flow. You know what I mean? You could just flow and you drink champs. It's like, yeah, you're having drinks. Yeah.

Because I think when artists get here sometimes in their fear of being around you guys and being asked questions, questions they they feel vulnerable of drinking you know of smoking right he's killing you know what i mean i'm gonna be honest with you no that's real and that was my fear initially to say well maybe we can do it next year but no i said you know what i think i'm gonna to be me. Yes. And you are being you. And I'm being me. Absolutely. And to restrict myself and think about what he's saying would not be given to me.

It would only be given to my representative. You know what I mean? I think in this platform of who you are and really who you are, because you're introducing yourself to people who don't really don't know you, people who really don't fuck with you, people who really don't, who are just being put on to you. Or reminded of you. Or reminded of you. Right. And didn't know, hey, that's you. Now you can get it on a platform where they can understand it and they give you a platform to

express yourself the way you want to express it. And that was here. I didn't have any expectations to do. I don't feel like rolling no more. Let me get one of those. Hold on, hold on I'm going to give you my last one with hash

This is European hash Ask him if he even wants that though You still want me to talk? No, no, no, no, no, no Listen, listen By the way It looks big too I knew you was going to tell me

It looks big too So listen to me No, but you set out 80 joints No, but this has got no hash Listen to me CL Smooth I would like to give you my last, but it's going to fuck you up. Okay.

But this is my last one. Hash, European, excuse me. What is that shit from? You're not making a good sale for that shit, bro. No, no, no, but I'm going to give it to you. It's my last one. It's going to fuck you up. Because you know what, CL, CL, CL, let me just tell you something, man.

Go ahead. I said this whole time we changed the rap game. And let me just say something. And, you know, I know you're going to say something too. But you changed my life as well. Thank you. I heard you and I wanted to be an MC. I wanted to be not only an MC, I wanted to be not only an MC I wanted to be a better MC And

I felt like You know You Helped Nas, Nas helped me I helped You helped Nas, Nas helped Mobb Deep, Mobb Deep helped me And I feel like

I owe you So I held this blunt Because I knew you was going to ask. But this is it. Hold up. He rolled it in 1998. And he held it for you. By the way, let's just be careful.

Why do I feel like KRS-One now? Let's just keep that story. I really feel like it. Yes, because I'm handing you the scrolls of hip-hop. Please. That's the Dead Sea Scrolls. That's the Dead Sea Scrolls. That's the Dead Sea Scrolls. But CL Smooth, I swear to you, man.

I really, really. We were so excited. All of the Drink Champs crew right here. We were so excited to have you here. And by the way, by the way, you know, we make bets of like what time the artist is going to come. Yeah. And like who's going to be late or not. And I immediately say, where's Diego?

I was like, he's going to be on. No, no, no, that's that. This is some good shit. That's why I said that. God damn. You might be on your flight before you fly. Shit. If I could bring this home, oh shit.

Yeah. So, um, we asked you who would produce the Holy Grail. Right. Now, who would you produce the Holy Grail? Now, if God came to you and said, produce this record, you're not on it. Who would you pick? You're gonna Quincy Jones it.

Yeah, Quincy Jones. Damn, I like that. Quincy Jones it. I would do another record of Lenny Kravitz and Jay-Z. This motherfucker, I don't, like, like,

like, I think I know him and then he just stole some other shit out. Lenny Kravis. I would do another one of that. And who's producing? Lenny Kravis producing it? Whoever want to produce it.

Whoever's going, whoever's going to do it. No, who would you pick? Who I want? I would pick, I would pick either, I would pick either R. Kelly or L.A. and Babyface.

Oh, really? L.A. Reid. L.A. Reid. Lenny Kravitz and Jay-Z. Yeah. You can see that? Yeah. And I can tell they dreads might L.A. Reid. Lenny Kravitz and Jay-Z. Yeah. You can see that? Yeah. And I can tell they dreads might look the same.

You know what I'm saying? You went very R&B with that production. Yeah, because I wanted to wear, it could be a tweener. I don't need definitive. I need range. I need everywhere. I don't need here need i need range i need everywhere i don't need here i need everywhere you're out of control it's so beautiful this is what i actually wanted to know when you guys did these records right how much did you tour outside of the country internationally?

A lot. What were the countries that you remember that really you enjoyed? All of Europe. Italy is my favorite. Really? Yeah, because I could see myself living there. So I could see myself. You know they're selling cribs for like a dollar over there.

Yeah, I could see myself living there and have my own community. Right. You know they're selling cribs for like a dollar over there. Yeah, I can see myself living there and having my own community. Right. You know? So, and I would pick, I like London. London is a nice vibe. I like Japan is the ultimate. Yeah, Japan's the ultimate. Japan is out of this world.

You have to be back to normal after you leave Japan. When I come back to Japan, my family, they don't like the way I look. Why? They say I'm too skinny because I'm not eating. I'm eating good. Their nutrition is 100%. Protein, all protein. I'm eating good, so I don't have fat on me.

Right. Right? So when I come back from Japan, I don't have any fat on me. And then they're pinching me. The women are pinching to see how many inches I'm losing. So now I'm losing and losing. When I come back, my grandmother's mortified

because she's one of those grandmothers that say, oh, you're not eating. Oh, you look too skinny. But that's really healthy. In this day and time, that's healthy. So Japan.

So you see, I bet you the seeds you guys sowed in those early shows, imagine what would happen if you guys were to do it again. If we did it again, it would be surreal because we're not around each other. It would be like a new thing. Everything would be brand new. In a good way or in a bad way? The first album was 1991, right? The first album was 1991. 1991. How many years is that for anybody smart

here? 33? 33? 33? Yeah. CHP is 30 and we 93, so yeah. My stepson was born first.

My second son was born in 1991. Crazy. Boy, would I like to see that reunion. I'm telling you the mass appeal strategy. Nas, if you're listening. Nas, yeah, yeah. I'm going to send this clip to Nas. Make a documentary about it and then do the album follow.

Documentary, album. You need to do a documentary about this fucking joint you gave me. Oh, yes. Yeah, a documentary. We're going around the quasars and the stars. You got to drink water to gas up. Yo, nah, man. I just want to personally water to gas up. Yo, nah, man.

I just want to personally thank you, man, for your contribution to hip hop. Hip hop is awesome. Your contribution to what you're doing, continuing to do. I'm going to be honest with you. You know, I said nahs earlier, you know, but if it wasn't for for you it wouldn't be you know me like it's like you know i'm inspired by you and what you guys did and what you did and i love i love the fact that i was so honored and i'm so happy to give you your flowers face to face man to man because i want you to know how important you are to hip-hop how important you are to know how important you are to hip hop how important you are to us how important you are to the community

how important you are to the fucking culture thank you and I was so happy let me just say me, us we got group chat

I'm feeling this shit I'm feeling this shit we on the farm somewhere that's that shit cows and goats and sheep $150 blunt right there thank you my man thank you my bro thank you

for what you did because in a lot of ways if you didn't do what you did because in a lot of ways if you didn't do what you did Drink Chance wouldn't exist because we're all fans of you. We're all people that follow you. We're all people that

You got me feeling like KRS-One As you should. As you should. Yo, yo. Yo, should. As you should. You got me feeling like the blast. Yo, yo. You know what I'm saying? Yo, CL, you that guy, man. You know what I'm around for.

Yo, no. No, you that guy, man. I was around KRS-One. Right. Right? I was around KRS-One, man. And I just said, listen, don't talk to me. Just let me look at you.

Just let me feel what you are first. Don't say nothing. And we just stared at each other like, hmm. So you're the blast master. Wait, wait, wait. I said,

God damn. You the blast master. Listen, I grew up You the blast master. You the blast master, KS1. Listen, I grew up in the right era. Yes, you did. I know these young boys. They're young. I love it.

But I was meant to be an old man because I seen a lot more. I seen what I had to see in those days. Because you would have never acknowledged it because you wasn't born. Right. That's right. You dig? Y'all was born when it was over. When I was in power. So I don't count me. I count the ones before me

because they were so charismatic and beautiful and enlightening. That's why I told you, even some of the worst motherfuckers inspired me. Bad, evil motherfuckers inspired me not to be evil and not to be them. And they told me,

you could be better than me. Be you. You is better than me. And I love them for that. These niggas, they kill at will. Fuck

Call of Duty. These niggas was the duty. Alright? These niggas was the duty. Alright? It was the duty. Nor right? It was the duty. Nori, you know. I know, I know. Come on.

I'm older than you, but you know what that shit is about. All right? Because them boys is here. They not here. But they need their flowers too because they got us to where we need to be. How you going to beat Kane and Rakim? How you going to beat Fat Boys and Public Enemy? How you going to beat Fat Boys and Public Enemy? How are you going to beat Run DMC and

LL Cool J if you ain't coming with nothing different? How are you going to beat Houdini, nigga? You can't. You can't. Come on. Them boys was... Come on. Milk D, come on.

Milk is chilling. There's more chilling. Every time he Milk D, come on. Milk is chilling. There's more chilling. Every time he do it, I'm like, yo, come on, man. That's why we got what we got. That's why we live where we live. So how would you end, if it was all up to you, and Mecca and the Soul Brother, how would you end that legacy? If you can, if it's up to you.

See, that's the beautiful part of it, is that I couldn't tell you how it went in. Damn, that's a great point. You dig? I couldn't tell you how it went in because it's so like, it's in a space. Yes. And I got to come and pull it out of space somewhere. And then the nigga got to like me, too. I think it was written.

I like this answer. Keep going. No, no, no. It was written. It was written. And now this mass appeal going to be a party. Nigga, like me, man. It was written.

Way to be liked. We ought to be respected. Because I keep hearing you say that. I keep hearing you say, and for lack of a better term i keep hearing you say you ain't never had to like me right to him yeah and to everybody to everybody not just him okay because we don't want to isolate him he's like you don't nobody has to like me this is the format this is how it is with everybody. When you want respect, you don't got to like me. Just respect me.

Right. Nigga don't got to like my shit. I didn't buy the shirt for you to like. I bought this shirt because I like it. But you're going to respect it because you ain't going to take it from me. That's it. That's it. It's nothing.

It's nothing complicated. It ain't rocket science. It's just, where you from? Because I know where I'm from. And I go all over the place and I know how to conduct myself. We don't got to fake it to make it. We made

it in life. We talking about making a record in the music business, but I made it in life. We talking about making a record in the music business, but I made it in life. Come on. You know that? I made it in life.

Look, it's $150 shit. Come on. $150. Yeah. I got all type of diamonds, hash. Diamonds, hash Beautiful That shit taste like Jesus pussy

I didn't know Jesus had a pussy Wow I don't even think I ever said that before That was isometric I never said that I never said that I said it Listen

My spirituality and how this night has went, I've learned something. You know, I've learned something. Okay. What have we learned? That there's levels to this. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm.

And Noriega's real. Yes. I? And Noriega's real. Noriega's real, man. Thank you so much. Noriega's real. But today, I'm going to be honest with you. Me and EFM, my partner,

we are so happy to have you here because there was a rumor. Now, let's get this out there. We talked about it already. When we came in the room. We close. I was so mad. I've been in love for years. We close.

I was so mad because they was like, yo, oh, that CL wasn't allowed on. It was like a conspiracy. I heard that. And I thought it was your fans, because your fans is very relentless niggas. Like, they, them niggas. As they should be. As they should be.

Your fans. But I heard that before. No, it's your fans who started this rumor. No, but they should start that rumor. No, but by the way, I respect that it's a rumor. That's what I'm saying. It should start. Oh, shit, because Pete came on here twice

and your fans was on our ass. I'm telling pause. Oh fuck, I don't need you. You were like, no pause. No, no, no. You were like, I release your pause. Yo, so see, okay. Yo, I'm telling you. Your fans is

relentless. I don't know if I'm foul, but they're relentless. They're relentless. They was like, what? Yeah. What the fuck is going on? They want everything even. I liked it that.

They fill in my love. I like that. When my love isn't warranted or welcome. Yeah. They fill it in. I like that. You're going to love Peter. You know that though, right?

Yeah, I know it. Okay. Because that's how I learned to say, listen, you're going to respect Peter. You're going to respect what he did for you. Right. You're going to respect what y'all did together. That's how I learned to say, listen, you're going to respect Peter. You're going to respect what he did for you. You're going to respect what y'all did together. And you're going to love it. That's fine. You understand?

And then you're going to go about your business. And you got your business. Nobody's stopping that. That's fine. But when it's time, you go back and you go see him. And you don't have to be your brother. You don't have to put that expectation on him him he don't have to be your brother you don't have to put that expectation on him he don't have to be your friend you don't have to put

that expectation on him but you better respect him you better be serious about your business so he can respect you and then do it for the fans it's not about your bitch ass it's about the fans

Corey it's about the fans he's who he is you're saying that to yourself yeah oh okay yeah because

you could talk about everybody on this platform but then you gotta hold yourself accountable too yeah you know what I'm saying you gotta look at yourself too. When you don't look at yourself in the mirror,

that's a conversation all in itself. Right? That's right. Yeah. So you have to be honest. And when you're honest with yourself, anything is possible for a solution. I think solution-based.

I think it. I visionbased. I think it. I vision it. I live it. Sometimes I sit in one place for a week, but I'm thinking of the solution. I'm thinking of the solution. And then I'm here to fix it. You ain't moving.

Sometimes you could put it on the back burner it ain't back burner shit it's about fix it cause then it'll fix you you heard? yeah can I tell you my fantastic idea in my mind my dream, my story

let's go that both you and P-Rock Can I tell you my fantastic idea in my mind? My dream, my story. I like your hair so bad. Let's go. That both you and P-Rock have grown to a place where coming together makes the best music that you would have ever possibly made. And like I already said before with the business strategy, Mass Appeal or a company like Mass Appeal comes in. Peter. Does the documentary, produces the album, and tours it around the world.

And it's a phenomenon. And it changes. It does what this does today. Massapeel just signed De La Soul as well, right? I didn't know that. I believe so. If that happened, I would just put my hat on and say yeah, let's do it.

We need Mecca and the Soul Brothers together. I'm going to be on the plane nice. You're going to be flying before the plane flies. But that's what you want. That's what I want. Yeah. And see, let me just speak on behalf of hip hop again.

I know I said it to you earlier, but I'm going to say it to you again because it means that much to me. And it means that much to this room. And it means much to the hip hop. Thank you again, man. Thank you. Like, thank you. Thank you for, you know, changing the game. Thank you for making the game what it's supposed to be.

Thank you for, you know, continuing to do your motherfucking thing. And thank you for being motherfucking modest. Like, and I can't lie to you like you know you and Pete I don't ever really want to know really what it is if it is something I told you what it is

we talked about all of it I told you what it is okay it's two men that are doing business and gotta do business a certain way all's we gotta do is be in the same room and that's it you understand but I like the space

he's in I like what he's doing I love that you say that I like that I don't want him in a dark space coming back to me thinking he's settling I want him at the top of his shit I want him's settling. I want him at the top of his shit. I want him with new money.

I want him with all the vision in the world to say, I bought new glasses for you, baby. Because that elevates everything you guys do. Because I know I need inspiration too because I don't know you and you don't know me no more. You know what I mean? Let me reintroduce myself to you. Let me reintroduce because I'm like Yellowstone.

I just got this piece and the other big boys want to eat it. And I've been too busy protecting that Yellowstone for you to come in and tell me, nigga, how to keep it. Break it off more and give me another Yellowstone, nigga, and we don't got to talk again. I ain't gonna lie. I'm not going to hire Bingley. Real, baby. Give me that Yellowstone. Leave me alone,

baby. Give me that Yellowstone. That shit is so beautiful, man. You can afford the love. Can't you afford the love? Yes. You can afford the love. Can't you afford the love? Yes. I can afford the love. Yes. Can't you afford the love?

Absolutely. What are you talking about? When we got to fight for the cow, that's when it's serious. When we got to fight for vegetation, that's when it's serious. What you mean you can't talk to me? Sip some of this white Hennessy and do what you do. Or some green tea, because I heard you're a green tea guy. Yeah, I love green tea.

You're like, you got a private eye. Yeah, he does. You got your shit. You like that shit. You like that shit. What's that shit? Whack 100. Or Nardwar. This is Nardwar.

Nardwar? For me? Yes. You do your homework. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. And I know you're a gardener, too.

Man, you like the Supreme Team. Supreme Team, bro. So you drink green tea And then you are gardener I love garden I love flowers How does this work? I love that shit Because if

You throw marijuana too? You know what? It's all in the woman you pick too But if ain't nothing growing around you You are a suspect Shit gotta be growing around you. Shit gotta be like... I used to have a dog,

so you gotta feed it, you gotta walk it, you gotta train it. Shit gotta be elevating around you for you to be something. Like, what the fuck you mean? I used to only have a dog and a gym card when I lost all my money. a dog and a gym card when I lost all my money.

A dog and a gym card? A dog and a gym card. Come up from there. The dog protects you and then you go to the gym and build your shit up. Is it the same DMX dog? Yeah.

It was. Yeah. The DMX brother? Yeah. It was. Yeah. But not only one, two of them. Because I had Black was the first one. Then Rocco was the second one. Unrelated to DMX dog, the second one. No. Both? Both. Come on. But the second one

is special. Both dogs are related to DMX. No, but listen. Yeah, because, listen, you're getting it from Yonkers, right? Then you're getting it from his litter. Then you're picking from the same litter. How am I not going to get a dog from him? How is he not going to give me a dog? No, I'm serious.

How is DMX not going to give me a dog? How is DMX's friend not going to give me a dog? How is DMX friend not going to give me a dog? How is the one DMX look up to not going to give me a dog? Especially, you know, my cachet is heavy. Because I don't talk about it, don't mean it ain't happening. You know, not for nothing The way you just said dog Every time I felt like I was hearing DMX

Nah You could tell they was real No, the way you kept saying dog I felt like I was hearing DMX The dog Was the one that kept me From walking around the hood The dog

When you lose your money You're limited So the dog Keeps you from Everybody talking to you when you lose your money you're limited so the dog keeps you from everybody talking to you till you get your shit together because the dog is keeping them away and then you got your gym card so get your body and your mind together and then something will happen so you see how all things fall into place you know i'm saying when i read the book of job that's how i see my life a little bit like oh shit oh, shit, not that drastic, but just about there. Lose all your shit to get more.

And learn more. Which is rock bottom. Yeah, you can have a lot of shit, but can you keep it? Right. You can have a lot of shit, but can you keep it? Do you know how to keep it? Do you know how to nurture it and water it like a flower? And that's what you want, man.

You want that flower to grow. You want that tree to grow. So 20 years from now or 30 years from now when you're dead, they say, yo, remember he used to water that spot over there? Yeah, that shit is a big-ass tree now. Punk-ass nigga. Punk ass nigga Yo CL man I gotta thank you again man For being exactly who you are

Exactly I just love it up here Because I didn't know It was like that I used to always watch it On my phone Yeah But this is your house though

Yeah And you don't really know It's your house, but you're like, yo. You got to come to the house and take off your socks. These guys are like. Okay. These guys. Take off your socks. It's the professionalism.

It's who you are organically and how you have a platform. And you say, how do these guys do that? They're organic. They're where they are thank you not by flu yeah but because they work so hard to gain that thing like when you see them when you see these announcers when you see people on there and you're a legend, brother. And brother, let me just say something. You are a person that deserve, you know, like, I kid you not. I feel like you raised everyone in this fucking room. Like, we all owe you.

Like, if you want some fried chicken, we go get it. We got you. Well, we made this platform for you. We made this platform for you we made this platform for you I appreciate it because I've never got I've never had to be around brothers like yourself and really chop it up

yes thank you and really be organic around the camera that I can say I didn't even know it was there I was just giving them a piece of me. We just chopped it up. You know, I wasn't out to hurt nobody. I was just, I just love everybody.

Right. You know what I mean? That's beautiful. But at the same time, I'm to be taken seriously. I want you to understand that I'm a man like you are. Yes. And sometimes when you say it, it's not to be said.

I'm never saying it. I just want you to acknowledge it. And even if you don't, be on the path to do it. You know? Because there's so much shit out here. I didn't know that these young

kids was making all this money and then they're dying. I didn't know. Like, it was like that. And I have to acknowledge it. I can easily ignore it because it's not a part of me. But that's not charity. Charity is something that got nothing to do with you. And you want to help it.

Right. But it got nothing to do with your life. you you want to help it right you but it got nothing to do with your life but you see millionaires dying as little kids and you're saying that ain't fucking fair no when i see a young white kid and a young european kid and even a young african kid has something in my American young black kid can't have nothing. And my Spanish kid can't have nothing, you know, because they're destroying them. And they're having all what they want and they're still dying and taking their lives away from them. I wouldn't know what to I wouldn't know what it's like to spend time in jail like that with with any type of money I have

right now unless you hurt my family. Right. You know what I'm saying? But the stories it's like you're taking a thousand steps back to be a slave.

To what? This is a music, so it's a lose-lose. I don't understand it. I want somebody to teach me. This finally in hip-hop, I don't know about. I want to just be taught. Like, how does that work? I'm not criticizing no more because I know you took the best shit out of you.

You know what I'm saying? When you took Pop Smoke, you took the best shit ever. That was that Tupac shit. So I agree with you. You know what I'm saying? I feel you. Sometimes these young niggas feel they're so young, they don't know what's happening. Like, they just, it dies and that's it.

But to an older nigga, you like, you know that's it? For real? Do you know that's it for real? End of the legacy. Yeah, like, you think you took pop smoke and that's, and I'm not even on it like that. But I know what it means when you did that. I know what it means when you did that I know what it means when you did that so I'm

I'm just want to learn like like how do you how do you like get past that and go to him and say I want to protect you are you protecting him are you protecting him so he won't die?

Like, you killed King Vaughn. Like, you killed shit that I don't understand. Like, why are you killing him? Aren't they your shit? Aren't they our shit? He know what he talking about. He talking about this 100%. Like, what are you doing?

What do you want? Are you doing it for who? How? What do you want? Are you doing it for who? How much money do you want to not kill that? They're destroying the families of these guys. They have kids. I don't understand

what you want. I just want to learn. I'm out of it. Just let me learn what you're doing, and then we good, like, let me learn why you got to die, why you got to think about, why you got to think about when it's important to, like, let people see you, travel around the world, see your options, Why are you in Rikers Island? Who can talk to you? Okay, you getting millions and you still go to jail.

Why you in that doesn't affect nothing. You're not doing shows. You in prison. That doesn't affect nothing. For what? I'm just asking. Is a gang more important than your family i just want to know like who's your true gang like like my true gang is my grandpa like i kill for that like me i kill for it right would you like i seen you with a chain you had a chain on what? Yeah, with my grandpa.

Your grandfather. Because that's CO smooth. That's the game. That's where I got it from. Hell yeah. What do you kill for? Do you kill to impress this man? Or do you kill to put food on your table?

If I got seven, eight million, I'm not killing nothing. Let me just be honest with you. Could you teach me why you got to hurt somebody that got nothing? That's in the Bronx or Brooklyn or Queens. You could be anywhere in the world, but they're here. And they might be special and you killing them. Why? So me, I guess life is valuable when you when you look like this

when you act like this I feel like life is valuable is that important to you do you feel me or you don't feel me I need a gun to make you feel me I'm showing you how to get away from me you want to go to them

niggas. Like, I don't even fuck with niggas. What is that? When we growing out of it, we want to live around neighbors that ain't trying to shoot us. Ain't trying to rob us. Don't want to

know how much money we got in our house. Why can't we work like that you're right what kind of president are we getting i'm never into politics oh shit the way it's working they forcing you to think about politics like yeah you're right like what do you want from me i don't care i grew up in the the old New York. I don't care. Like New Yorkers be everywhere. Very true. They be everywhere.

But I don't want to think about things that you force me to think about in this society. That's why I'm an introvert. That's why I think soaking up family is more important. Explain to people who an introvert is. Somebody who just likes their own company and not the company of others. I could be somewhere by myself on my compound, not where I got to be entertained by something.

So when I come out, I understand when a person is in SHU. A person is in the box. A person can spend a pandemic in a room. And don't come out the house, but you stay in the room. In the house. You don't just roam the house. You stay in the room. You got to be conditioned for that.

And I'm crazy for that. I'm intrigued by that. Because my life is based on that. How society is going, where you're going to have to box yourself in. And it ain't going to be no choice. Because you see, they're breaking you into something

that we never heard of well it's true you know i'm saying we never heard of that and the music is what calms the savage beast that that's what makes things operate and move in a life that is dormant and then you have some rhythm to it and then then we move in. The straw sound killed it. He loves it. But you know, I'm serious, because I think if I sit here and sip and smoke and I give something to the youth, it's, you know what I'm saying?

It's not, they have to connect like a trainer. You know what I'm saying? creed needed a rocky absolutely you know i'm saying so it's who's teaching you not what you know it's who's teaching you what you know to make you a success not every teacher know how to bring you to the home run but experience will will. But experience will. Yeah. And knowing rhythm and sound. And adapting that experience. And cadence and adaptation. When you can adapt,

when you can be uncomfortable to get comfortable, you a bad man. Killing the game. You a bad man. You a bad man. Is there anything else left you want to say to your fans? I gave it to

them because you can come up here and you can be anything you want to be, but authentic is what you want to be. Mm-hmm. You want to show that you love people. Yes. At the end of the day, you love people.

You love their progress. You love when they upgrade. You love when they come home to the house they love. You love when they progress and do what they want to do in life and be proud of themselves. So that's what you want other people to be greater than you when you are know where your life is right and how it's going in right you know and you say hey baby this my greatest things i lost, they up there. When I do shows, it's not about the people down here.

It's about the people up there. And that's what makes that song so crazy is that I could feel my ancestors. They dancing. They going, oh, yeah, that African shit. And they going that Cape Verdean shit. And they going through those islands of the Cape Verdean shit and they going through those islands of the Cape Verdeans and they going yeah

do it cause they used to live to a hundred and something could you believe they used to live to a hundred and something I had a great grandfather that lived a hundred and something years I just want to touch a hundred and something years.

I just want to touch a hundred. Give it to me. If they said, hey, you could see your grandfather, but you got to give up all your shit and you could see him for 15 minutes. I would give up all my shit and start all over again. I know it. You got to know your limitations. To see your grandfather. To see my grandfather one more time and touch him for 15 minutes.

I give up everything. And talk to him. Money don't mean nothing. I'd spend 10 minutes crying, but five minutes talking that shit, baby. Talking that shit, baby. Like, hey, did they think we was going to do that? Did they think we was going to do what we did or whatever?

How they think we living, Pop? When we live with nothing, how they think we living? Oh, baby. What? You ain't tell them? No, I kept it a secret.

Yeah. Yeah, because I love you. I love you. And you said, come around there with that bullshit car, but leave with that new shit. Don't let them know what your left hand and your right hand is doing. I'm saying, pop, it don't work doing I'm saying pop it don't work like that Pop it don't work like that And he's saying nigga

You see what I told you right You see what I told you right And you would have picked better friends You'd have picked better friends champ But I love y'all And it's a session It's a session It and it's a session it's a session it's a session

because you gonna make it what it is you know you gonna make it what it is fucking yo thank you thank you so much thank you man thank you so much man wow yes drink champs is a drink champs llc production host and executive producers n-o-r-e and dj efn listen to drink champs on apple podcast

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