Drink Champs - Episode 434 w/ Harlem World

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the legendary group, Harlem World! Cardan, Meeno & Blink join us to share Harlem World's journey!  Listen as they share stories of how the group was created, the rap battles they faced, signing to So So Def and much much more!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!  Make some noise for Harlem World!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So we want to get into it. There's a lot of things that need to be addressed from all of these brothers. Dave Minters was a group. Got together. Made history. Dave Winters was a group. Got together. Made history. And they continue to make history. One dude is pin game. Is your favorite rapper's pin game.

Other dude went head up. One of the biggest. Conglomerates in the game. And didn't care. And the other one. We're going to talk about that. Him and his battle with Bleach. In case you don't know what we talking about,

we talking about Harlem, motherfucking world! In true Harlem fashion, I would like to drink some Champagne. So we gonna drink the coldest one. You gonna drink some 1942? You ain't about that 1942 life you bought that dawn so but wait hold on describe us what's the difference between 1942 and dawn

wait 1942 is more smooth okay i'm gonna give'm going to be honest with you right now. There's three tequila kings of drink champs. One is T-Pain. He drank the whole bottle of Michael Jordan tequila. Am I lying? And stood there and wanted more drinks after he was finished. I was like, T-Pain, we don't got insurance like that. Then the game. I saw that. T-Pain, we don't got insurance like that. Then, the game.

I saw that. The game, I got to say something. The game is the most challenged tequila drinker on our show. Because people, he was the only person that brought his own liquor. But I can attest that I drank mountains of liquor with game before that. And I drank mountains of liquor what game after that? So I personally believe he did drink it, but the fans doubted every day But now we have a new tequila guy the baby

Drink it all he drank one cup with ice in it then one cup neat and then two shots on the side that's not real drinking when you go like you know doing all that just killing the whole bottle oh yeah you know he drank the whole bottle of tequila he drank that's 1942 Wow yeah it was like three hours yeah but he did it by himself. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not. I'm not. You ain't got to do that. That doesn't. Drink chances that you could get up in the morning and do things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one of my favorite parts about the job is when I understand the drink order, right? So I could almost determine where the interview was going to go. So when I see this, I said, Champagne, I said, Champagne, D'Ussé, and 1942. But then I had to think, I was like, oh, it's three of them. Yeah, come on. No, I'm thinking that's how all of y'all.

So how did you start messing with the D'Ussé? Off the Henny, of course. Off the Henny, and then the Henny And then somebody just Gave me a shot of it And I just like It's kind of like It's a little more Richer than like

You know Right You know Than like Henny So then it don't really You know wake up And it don't really Mess you up

And It's like shot a clock You know That's like That's like one of my go to's Okay Okay And you a champagne nigga

Yeah cause I'm really A light drinker You're a light drinker That's what Cardi told me. Okay, but you do drink champagne? Yes, I do. Because you put them hormones in your blood. I'm a habitual line stepper. You're a habitual line stepper?

I'm just saying. He goes all over the place. Oh, yeah? I prefer tequila. I wasn't... This shit gets you like... I call that fight me juice. Nah, hey, nah. This is gets you like, like. I call that fight me juice. Nah, hang on. This is more. This is more smooth.

Okay. You don't fuck with it. You don't fuck with it. No, I don't do dark. I don't do dark. I do Japanese whiskey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do Japanese whiskey if I do.

Have you ever collected? Nah, not since Penalty. Okay. So let's bounce around a little bit. I've seen a Rap City interview with you guys, right? Where you guys, Mase, I believe this was like the first. I believe you wasn't there. I wasn't.

It was a Rap City interview. And I believe he says, you know, I'm going to put my guys on the road, but they're going to go through a 90-day program. Do you remember that? Yeah, I know what interview you're talking about. Okay. So what was that about? Tell us. Well, the 90 days was real it was um really us making the album conda okay you know and mace would just make sure that we was in the lab doing what we needed to do at the time

because he was more professional than us at that at that point so he wanted us to get seasoned in that part of the game, being disciplined to know how to go to the studio, do what you got to do without him watching over us. So that was just part of us becoming industry. So that 90 days was real combined with us going on

the road. But the 90 days was kind of like y'all get ready, we going to the big leagues. You know what I'm saying? How many? It was more than you guys. It was... It was more than you guys. It was. Yeah. So, R.P. The Huddy.

The Huddy. Of course. It was Sugar J was there. Sugar was in the group. We got Long. Stacy. Stacy. Yeah, Baby Stacy.

Lacey's twin sister. Right. Oh, wow. And Long. Oh, I thought that was a saying. No, that's a saying. Him, twin sister. No, no, no.

Her name was Stacy. Her name was Stacy. I think she's like 10 minutes older than me. 10 minutes? Oh, wow. She's 10 minutes older. No, she's older. Oh, she's older.

Okay, okay. So can you finish what you just said? So yeah, me, Mino, Blank, Shug, Loon, and Stacey. Right. I'm going to tell you something about that interview. When you first entered the game, there's a certain look that you have. There's a certain like, and all of y'all had that look on y'all face.

I'm looking at it now, knowing y'all as young. I know y'all as young and now I know y'all as older men, but I'm looking at that interview and I see y'all face and it was just like, it was like pureness. You know what I'm saying? You first enter in the game and you don't know this fuckery going on like it was like pureness like right you know i'm saying like you first enter in the game and you don't you don't know this fuckery going on like you it was it was like it was like pre-birth for that innocent innocent how does that how did that feel when you started to learn

the business and learn that it's not all always all love oh You know, as we begin to understand and travel and, you know, just be around some of the people that the game had, we start to understand that sometimes, well, most of the time, it's really business. It's a lot of fake stuff that happens. It's a lot of smiles. That's really not smiles. it's just for the camera right you know and coming from the streets a lot of time you know we built we built on who you are in the game it's kind of different you got to put your costume on right so we start to learn now that might not be the homie he might have just been around to get to to murder you know things of that nature and we learned that early because at that time murder was the guy right so we coming in with the guy so the intensity all levels

everything is at its height so it was like you know they gave us car blanche but then it's that that side eye and we begin to notice that early but everybody in the industry is not you know you got your fair share people that's right you know but you got good fair share of people. Right. But you got good people in the business. Yeah, there's good people too. I can attest to that. Yeah. But let me ask y'all, because at one point, who to love might have been the hottest manager in the game. But with that being said, when you're hot, you're kind of hard to reach. You understand?

They don't answer everybody's calls. Rightfully so, though. But, you know, back then, I probably wouldn't have understood that. Now, I kind of understand that, you know. But back then, especially, I mean, all three of you, like, having a hot manager, did that give y'all a plus?

Or was that sometimes a crunch? Well, Kuda wasn't the Kuda's manager. Oh, he was. He was a part of All Out, right? He only managed me, Mason, Cam. Oh. Yeah, he didn't manage the group.

We were signed to Social Death. Yeah, they were signed. That's right, that's right. Social Death. All Out, Social Death. But Kuda had a piece of All Out, right? No. He was dead.

See, that's why I said y'all got to straight up. There's a lot to it. There's a lot to it. Well, Salud, we don't get to it. It's a lot to earn. It's a lot to earn. Bro, start looking. We're going to get to it. We're going to get to it. Now, a lot of people don't know, Cardi, the first day we met each other, we went in the booth and rhymed. Definitely.

It was unique. It was unique studios. Y'all waiting for Clue. You, Cam, and Mace. Yeah. Me, Tragedy, and Iman Thub. Yeah. And we both waiting for the same session and mace yeah me tragedy and imanta yeah and we both waiting for the same session what a group we didn't know we didn't know we was doing the set that's all i know we didn't know we were just like we was like y'all here to do a freestyle for clues

like yeah like you're here to hear freez out clues like yeah and we just did it. Bro, I was literally 14 and a half. Wow. God damn it. God damn it. God damn it. Wow. I was literally still in high school. Wow. Yo, I had to go to school the next day. Yo, let me just tell you how crazy that is. If you go listen to that freestyle,

we didn't know who they were. Uh-huh. So, well, I think I did. Let me not act like I'm the perfect one. But Traj says on the shit, he goes, he goes such and such, locks and all that good shit. Yo, what the fuck?

He just said locks? It was fresh. Everything was still fresh. Did you ever think from that day it would equal up to now? I haven't. Nah, nah, nah. I didn't think it would turn out to that.

You know why? Because it was just a freestyle. It wasn't like we did a song song. It wound up being a classic in the streets. Definitely a classic. Yeah. It wound up being a classic in the streets. I always wish we would have shot a video for that.

For real. For real. We were strong. It's never too late. Hey, yo, bro. Now check this out. So now I'm 15, right? I got to go to school the next day.

So when this shit drops, it's lit. I'm like, I got my deal literally two weeks after that. Wow. To a penalty. To a penalty. Yeah. I remember the first time I met Nelly was because he got a haircut. And then he got up.

Now you speak, you got to relax. No, no, no. He didn't meet the barber. He didn't meet the barber. I met the barber. I was like, yo, I got him. I think he went to the bathroom. The barber didn't know him.

So I was just like, ah, I got him. I got him. You want to just stay here? No, let's go. Let's go. I got more shit to add to that. Okay, let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. So I remember the session. He used to be with me. Right. Going to your sessions. We on the same label. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So, we brothers. We kicking it. We got really close and really cool, right? So, Nelly's just getting his deal around that time. We shopping him because we shopped him the penalty. Right. Right. And Kuda ended up being his manager as well.

Okay. That's why I got confused. At the time. At the time. It was like manager, but he ended up signing to Pharrell. Okay, that's why I got confused. At the time. At the time, it was like manager. But he ended up signing to Pharrell, which is Kudo's label. Right? So I just talked to Nelly recently, too.

He like, yo, nigga, that shit was crazy for me. Like, oh, hey, Nori. Just like, he's from St. Louis. Nori just walked by. Okay. Like, it was exciting for him. You know what I'm saying? Coming from St. Louis.

But I'm a long story long No problem Listen So we was smoking Something happened And you was like This was when you You smell me You smell me

You smell me Okay yeah So fast forward Fast forward to On Nelly's album Country Grandma He says Something something

You smell me Shout out to my nigga Nori I'll never take Another man's glory. And Nori was like, yo, make sure, you know, he was like, yo, make sure y'all know where, y'all remember where you smell me came from.

Make sure I take my shit. So Nelly picked up on that, right? Later on, record his album, shouted, that was crazy. I didn't even see that coming. I was like, wow. I ain't gonna lie, I'll be honest with you. I knew Nelly was gonna be successful. i didn't even see that coming i ain't gonna lie i'll be honest with you i knew nelly was gonna be successful i didn't know he would be that successful no way you gotta realize i'm gonna give y'all props he came he comes out of y'all

camp regardless of what he comes out he'll let you know that he'll let you know that he don't he don't hide that i ain't gonna lie the first I met him, he was dressing like y'all. So I didn't know he was. We used to have him hopping out, doing battles. Oh, see, I didn't know that. But how does he get to y'all? How does that. From Kuda. Okay, fine.

Because remember, y'all know what y'all talking about. The people listening and watching don't know. Thank you. So there's a guy from St. Louis named Trail. Rest in peace to Trail. He's from Harlem. I'm sorry. He was living out there at the time.

So he was shopping the Lunatics demo. Right. So I remember going to Jermaine Dupri's birthday party. This is where Kuda got the demo. So they was just tapping Nelly? It was just Lunatics? No, it was just the Lunatics. Yeah.

It was just the Lunatics. They was all in a group together. Nelly was not solo at the time. Right. Wow. So I remember trail giving um kuda the demo right fast forward we get back um kuda pops the shit in it's the lunatics they i still like the lunatics i always love me too but uh for some reason nelly stood out right and kuda

like yo i'm like he is he is fire it's his fade hey yo And then Kudas just wanted to work with him directly. You know what I mean? I think the idea was, yo, it's easier to get one guy on than... And then come back. Yeah, come back and grab y'all. So essentially that happened. Nelly got his deal. And Kit took off.

Right. Kit took off. Right. So, Blinky Blink, I feel like your name is the funnest name that I say in the hip hop. You just want to say Blinky Blink. You just want to say it. How did you come up? Because you was blinking a lot?

Yeah. For real? Exactly. That's it. No. He do. He do. He do.

It's that simple. Sometimes it's that simple. Sometimes it's that simple. Sometimes it's that simple. Sometimes it's that simple. You do. You do. And the creation is so, so to me, it's like,

yo, you got to get a rap name, yo, you got to get a rap name. So I'm like, so what happened was, our people, Drew,

Drew Hamilton, they was, you know, I used to call them, they always tag him, right? So I go to the building when they just say,

Blinky Blink. So I'm like, all right, everybody call me Blink, except for my block. Everybody else call him Blinky Blink So I'm like Alright everybody Calling me Blink Except for my block Everybody else Calling me Blinky Blink So he like

Yeah I'm like Well Blinky Blink He like Blinky Blink I'm like yeah That's kind of like Snoop Doggy Dog And he was just like Alright alright

Whatever But yeah I mean that's really what it is Because I blink my eyes And then what do you call it The Garbage Pail Kids What does he call it Something like that

What Talk about the song Yeah it was Take me there Okay okay The Bro rug yeah yeah so why do you relate that to the rug racks no no no the song take me there oh okay taking it with maya black street okay yeah it was it was i mean i was just on a song because you was making like kid-friendly records i mean well that record right there was just that was like a real hard record to do. Why? Because they wanted, so it was for Nickelodeon, right?

Okay. So then they wanted Mase on it. So I remember Mase really didn't want to do it. Right. He's like, yo, this is too much. So at the time, Miss Snowboard, Brandy's mother was managing me. So we were pretty much at Brandy's house. And Steve Stout was on the phone.

Because it was through a microscope. So it was Steve Stout. And he's just like, yo, Mase, we got to do the song. He's like, yo, I don't, you know, man, I really don't want to do it. You know, I don't think tough on Clary. So Steve is like, do you want to talk to Jimmy Alvin? Mace didn't think he was around. He's like, yeah, I'll talk to him.

He get on the phone. Mace, you don't like the song? He's like, well, you know, I'm on a lot of songs. I don't think Puff won't clear it. Oh, no, Puff is going to clear it. Because the way you get out of stuff is they're not going to clear it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not going to do it, but they're not going to clear it.

Right. So he's like, no, I'm clear. So we trying to, we like, yo, I'm going to clear it. They're not going to do it, but they're not going to clear it. Right. So he's like, they don't clear it. So we trying to, we like, yo, why don't you just get your router to do it? So they like, mm, yeah, but you know Mase. That's when I realized how big Mase was, because Jim and I, we was just like, now you like the only person I can really do this song.

And he's like, well, I got to put, I got to put a man on here. Okay, sure, fine. So we go to the studio, and we just said some old verses. They called us back. Nah, that ain't it. Wow. They had to go back and do it again. Okay.

Nah, they ain't come back again. So now they're really explaining to us, Rugrat is a big record. It's going to be one of the biggest kids' songs ever. Wow. So they literally show us a clip of the movie. They really couldn't. So they're like, just say exactly what you see. So Tommy's scared.

May said his verse, said his verse, and we finished. He's like, you're going to say that? I'm like, you're going to say that? We like you're gonna say that we like oh i'm like you know what let me save my money because this might be a one and done for you know so because when i because once we laid like i thought lady pause damn that's crazy after i said it it was they started clapping and all this other stuff that makes it like everybody get out the room y'all because i mean we were saying but that song was so hard because there's nothing you could possibly say right to a kid's song and you can't turn it

down right but you can't if you turn it down it's like you got jimmy alvin you got steve stout you got all these connections that's how i that's That's when I learned how this whole game works. They all in on it. All these from Clive Davis and Thomas. All of them kind of like put the school together. You know, like they lawyers, they all know how the game works. So then when we did it, I mean, the song was a huge, I mean, they play it. Take me there.

I want to go there. Like all the time. So yeah, that's pretty much how that song came about. Right, right. How did y'all become a group? All right, so Mase put the group together. Okay. I remember Mase, before even Mase got his deal.

His mentality... You know how big had JM. People had their... You know what I'm saying? Their crews, right? Because, you know, essentially he comes up under that. To my biggie smalls have a junior mafia. Yes, yes, yes. Let me say that.

Let's say that. Put some respect on that. Right? Put some respect on that. You know what I'm saying? Like that. So, yeah, that was his... You know, he wanted like a...

My crew, a team of my niggas. I got to put my niggas who I grew up with outside of rap. Right? So he started the group. He got his deal bad boy, put out his first album. Right? Then the group came after that, right? No, no, no.

It wasn't he. No, it wasn't like that. It was more like Jermaine. So Tiff, so Mace, Kuda took Mace to sign with JD. But before he got to JD, he seemed tough. Right. How do we get together? And he's proud.

So I'm going to tell you. So JD always wanted to work with Mace. He like, listen, so initially, like a lot of people don't know, Mace was supposed to be part of Harlem World, like every song. But being that, like I was telling you, the powers that be, they would incline him. So, that's how that really came about.

But it wasn't really through Bad Boy. It was like, he really wanted, J.D. really wanted to work with, you know, pretty much wanted to work with Mace. Well, you know, at that time, I mean, you got Diddy, you got J.D. And J.D., that's two of the most powerful people in the world. Of course, and then you got Mace as Well, you know, at that time, I mean, you got Diddy, you got JD. And JD, that's two of the most powerful people in the world. Of course, and then you got Mace as the golden child. Right, wow.

Of Sean. Right. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, JD, of course, wanted to work with him, so that's why we kind of ended up, JD kind of gave him the deal, because he was already signed to Diddy, and he wanted to do his own thing, so JD empowered Murder to kind of come get us. Was that a plus, y'all being signed to an Atlanta, and he wanted to do his own thing. So J.D. and Power Murdered are kind of come get us.

Was that a plus, y'all being signed to an Atlanta-driven label? Because, I mean, Atlanta right now is so fucking hot. Right. But back then, it was still like kind of, I don't want to say on the come up, but it wasn't fully developed. It was more regional back then. Yeah, it was more regional. It was more like just outcast, and I believe so-so deaf.

And it was a couple others. I don't want to be disrespectful. Regional labels signed, regional labels. Yeah, it was regional. Because usually New Yorkers signed to New Yorker. Right. Atlanta signed. So was that something that was dope for y'all because y'all expanded? Yeah, it was fly at the time because, like I said, Mase was on top of the game.

So basically, whatever he said was going at that time. You know? And JD, he was on fire. He had just probably did the Ferrari Jaguar. There was a lot going on. So it gave us like kind of both sides. But a lot of people didn't realize how much we were signed to So-So. Because Murder Light was so bright.

It was just Harlem World. The group was Harlem World. It was All Out. It was our first record. Because that's what we used to scream Harlem World. It was All Out. It was our first record. Because that's what we used to scream, the All Out. All Out. So Def, a lot to this day, people be like, oh, y'all was on something. Almost like just a distributor.

Right. Right. That's how that was. More distribution. Was there any tieback to Children of the Corn? Not right now. So to answer your question, we all from the same area. Oh, yeah.

Because we're the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to answer that, how we got together as a group, we all from the same area. I'm from 131st. He's from 128th. He's from 126th. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

Really close quarters. Okay. So Mace was putting together a rap group. He picked Loon, picked Nino. They used to battle. They had an epic battle in the fucking- Loon and- No, Nino.

So Children of the Corn, tying it back to that, right? Children of the Corn against my group. We talking about Bloodshed, Cam, and Mace in the flesh. Yeah. Right? We talking about his crew. My man Pele and my man Big Stan. Right.

St. Nick, the big paw. This is how murder really kind of. Before the deal. Right. This before everybody. So I'm 12 years old. Big Stan is a security guy, right? No, no, no.

Okay, okay, okay. I'm 12. I'm literally no bullshit. 12 years old. And this is in the park. It's in the park. Okay. I need to hit it. It's one of the other. So think. No, St, no. Okay, okay, okay. I'm 12. I'm literally no bullshit. 12 years old. And this is in the park. It's in the park. I need to hit it. It's in the park.

It's in the park. No, see, think. Oh, think. Think of the park, right? The crowd, right? Nigga, I'm literally on the gate watching this battle. You hear nobody all day. Yo, they coming through the battle.

They coming through the battle. Yo, all day. So this shit is like Dr. J outside playing, right? Yo, bruh. Capacity. Crazy epic battle. So this shit is like Dr. J outside playing, right? Right, right. Yo, bruh. Capacity. Crazy epic battle. So Mace remembered that, like, yo, when it was time for him to form his group, he was like, yo, I got to snatch that nigga.

Me and him was the last two. Who, you and Mace? Yes. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. In a battle, right? Because, rest in peace, Bloodshed. Rest in peace. Right?

Bloodshed, my man Pele was rhyming against him. My man Big Stan was battling Cam, and me and Mace was last. Mind you, if you, I don't know. Back in the days, it's two you'd run out of rhymes. Okay. It ain't no three rounds. It ain't no timer. Right.

It's who's going to keep on going. Right. And me and Murder was the last two. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that was epic. The hood. Yeah, I don't know. And they wasn't backing down. No, I can att was the last two. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So that was epic. The hood. Yeah, I don't know.

And they wasn't backing down. No, I can attest. I can attest. They wasn't backing down. This is nose to nose. And y'all on their block. Yeah, and me and my hood took it to his block. Okay, okay. Because they was on us all day.

What happened was, so Mase used to walk around and just rap. Just battle in his place? He's like a rapper. Ham Cam, they like Kendrick Spirits. They like, just love to write all day writing. So Mase would just walk around. So we walked to 129

looking for Meno. Meno wasn't out there. Mase, I don't know who Mase battled, but I mean, he kind of, I don't know who he battled. He didn't battle nobody. They told me they came through looking for us he wasn't there, he rapped I know he wasn't there, he rapped for somebody they came through looking for

the boys I was there I love it that's how it happened though remember remember, it's nobody's from St. Nick. This is how it all comes.

We have to mention White Bread before we go any further. White Bread and my man 44. Okay. They're schoolmates. Okay. Right? It's Children of the Corn, and it's N-I-B. Grease is making the beats for us at this time.

Dane Grease. Dane Grease. He's our producer. There's no vacant lot yet. There's no nothing. Nobody signed. Everybody's doing what they do Gruffy is the big homie at this time

Children of the Cornweed, the babies And Big L When you say Gruff, you're talking about McGruff And Big L, they the kind of artists That's kind of on Because McGruff was on Uptown Where the people coming up So, White Bread

Is Children of the Corns guy. 44 is our guy. They always go to school and they playing each other music. And they looking for the, yeah, it's brewing. It's been brewing for a long time. So, finally, here's the day. The day they come, I'm not there yet. As he's speaking about.

I'm not there. So, we have to get back and then we have to go to St. Nick. Because we're wondering, where are we going to do this at? You know what's fair territory? Not their block, not our block. Let's take it to the Nick, not the small park, but the big one. And this is how it's going to happen. Okay, okay. We let the people talk.

The real one. You know what I'm saying? And we had to walk out to that territory and they had had to come to the spot, and it went down. He was there. And it wasn't backing down. Nah. It wasn't backing down. I didn't even know him back in time.

But whose side are you on? Are you on someone's side? I'm on TCOC, of course. TCOC. TCOC. Are we talking about real blood DB? DBIC. That's what we, you know what I'm saying?

Right, right. We talking about killer cam. Right, right. Like, killer cam. Like killer. Not L-L-A. Killer cam. Talking about murder me. Right. I love that.

Like, bro. It's an argument that they was better then. Right. Than what the world sees. You get what I'm saying? Oh, you say that they was better then. Right. Than what the world sees. You get what I'm saying? Oh, you're saying, oh, that they were better then. Yeah, you can place an argument that they was better. Them niggas was dead nice, bro.

Right, right. That's why all the freestyles we did, like. Right. But I'm like, man, Mace and Cam, they was killing me. Yeah, right. I was like, yo, I couldn't even compete. But I was trying. Right.

Did it affect y'all when Mace and Cam fell out? Of course, me? Yeah. I don't like that stuff, man. I don't like the inside beef. I think a lot of stuff, man, could be handled with a simple phone call. So even if something gets, even if, you know what I'm saying, you thinking this way or somebody got you thinking this way. Oh, you know what? I've known this guy for 20 years. Let me just call him. How about we just do that instead of letting niggas remix us and have us going against each other

because that's what niggas want to do anyway. I think it was really like that simple when I believe, this is how it happened, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe when Mace went and visited Million Dollars Worth of Game and they asked him if there was anything

that he regret, he was like, he regret the fallout with Cam and then you see them together after that. And it's like, that might have been just that simple. That simple. I don't know. Everything is that simple, bro.

And we complicate shit. It's just as humans. It's just, we just, you know what I'm saying? And we do it in egos. No, I didn't like that. I fuck with both of them, man. Yeah, me too. Those are like my big brothers, bro.

They kind of raised me into, you know what I mean? I definitely wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for them. You know what I'm saying? if it wasn't for them. You know what I'm saying? If it wasn't for them. And how dope did they do that? And how dope and how funny are they together? Oh, my God.

Like, you look, you see, like, I look at, I go watch they shit sometime. I'm like, look, this is 15, but 15 years passed between them. Something like that. I don't know. But the camaraderie, I don't know how to pronounce that word. I don't know how to pronounce that word. I said it right? Camaraderie. The camaraderie is there.

That shit is there and it's dope, man. And you know what's crazy? I think even if, I think that some things have to happen to make you in a strong part. To make you stronger, you think? I'm saying if that never happened, I wouldn't say stronger, but I would saying if that never happened i wouldn't say stronger but i said i would say if it never happened maybe the chemistry was that you know because they're excited to be with each other yeah yeah so i can see that knowing them and just as a viewer

okay they just it's the energy is is raw and pure there's no stage or nothing you know i'm saying they're just bouncing off each other everything is funny funny. Y'all can just sit there. They got to, I'm sure they got to just a laughing reel at them on YouTube. Yeah. Inside jokes is crazy. That shit make me laugh.

Just look at that stuff is laughing. Nah, I love it though, man. But yeah, I think, you know, certain things got to happen for, you know,

for the time to part. Yeah, I think the time of part made them respect each other a little more. You know, you grow. You get older. You know what I'm saying? You look at shit

from different perspectives. You remember, damn, that's the nigga I battled with me knowing them in fucking St. You get older. You know what I'm saying? You look at shit from different perspectives. You remember, damn, that's the nigga I battled with me knowing them in fucking St. Nick Park. What am I doing? You know what I'm saying? So those type of things and then you come full circle and do something beautiful. That's what we talking about. Now I heard Mase say that when

he put the group together, he came and got you because you were the street element of the group. Yeah. Put us on to that. I mean, like we said, that's where he really know me from, right? Really just grinding. Like my group, N.I.B., which is me, Big Stan,

Grease was the producer. We was on the turf. We was hungry, you know? And we used to just be in the hood. What N.I.B. stand for? Niggas in Black. Okay. Right, that was the original.

You know what I'm saying? We was kind of on our West Coast shit. We was kind of on our West, that was the original, you know what I'm saying? We was kind of on our West Coast shit. We was kind of on our West Coast shit at the time, you know what I'm saying? Easy End had their uniform, we was kind of on that shit. We was going real hard with the music on that side, real hard.

And we was just kind of known because of Grease and the tapes. Going around, word of mouth. That's what it was back then. You had to have your thing up. And you know, I'm still one of them guys. I ain't going to keep saying was, but that's what I do. I'm from that get busy part. Harlem got

a lot of spitters. We put that on this too. They be acting like we ain't the, like the mixtapes is we run bad rap. We the top guys. I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's big harm for me. I'm always on big harm time.

I'm into that. So I'm just saying that that's where you had to be at the time to even be respected. You got to get busy. We ain't playing. No noise. I call it big noise. Nah, none of that. You got to get busy.

So when Murder felt that it was time, because if you look at the dynamic of the group, it's noise. Nah, none of that. You got to get busy. So when Murda felt that it was time, because if you look at the dynamic of the group, it's elements. Everybody feels in a position. So that gives everybody their chance to be the person they are. Nobody has to do this because we have a person for this. You know, he picked a great personnel and that's what it was about. Like HUD 6, that's the mayor. That's the thing to the thing.

One and one. You know, I'm glad you brought Like HUD 6. That's the mayor. That's the thing to the thing. One and one. You know, I'm glad you brought up HUD 6. Yes. Because I believe that's Cam's brother. No. No? Like, oh, Cam's brother. I mean, they're my brother. And, you know, being a part of Harlem

World, but HUD 6 was so much belonged to the industry like yes like everyone loved him like you know i'm saying like yes i don't remember another person that i know in the industry and i know he has a street background but i'm not mentioning that because i know we know each other through the industry i don't give a fuck if you're a street nigga i'm a street nigga right industry niggas let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. I don't remember a person that got

along with every crew, every label like Hud since then. He was a people's person. I'm not sure if you remember that Hud got an iconic pick. It's him, Nas, and Big L. They right on. Oh, yeah.

Of course. He's been got an iconic pickers him Nas and big L they right on that hobo on that big yeah honey six people's person man everybody loves honey six man everybody shows up we do every year on his on and then it's passing we go to the mural I got a picture of me and you by Hunter 6 mural yeah that classic we got people on payroll so yeah every year on his birthday

we go over there light some candles have some drinks for him I got a picture of me and you in front of the mural. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. But no, Huddy Sixx, great guy, man. We miss him. Rest in peace, Huddy Sixx, man.

You know, I always think of it like that because, like I said, I felt like he belonged to the industry because he was so much welcomed and so much loved. And the industry lost at that time. But this is y'all direct family. Yeah, brother. Like, how did that, like, you know, what do you mean?

Bruh. Yeah. Me and Mino, me and Mino was, you taking me right back to the funeral right now. Right, yeah, that's what I thought about.

I see my man, he balling, he's going, like, you know, I try to hold it, I try to hold it as much as I can, right? You know, I lost my mom

when I was 15. You was there. You know what I'm saying? Bro, that question takes me right back. I'm saying me and him sitting side by side. He's losing it. That shit affects you, man. We were close quarters.

We hung out every day. That wasn't no industry shit. That's not industry. That's a friend. That's a friend, yeah. That hurts, man. That hurts. That's a friend. That hurts, man. That hurts. That was a real blow for Harlem.

That was like because a lot of things, even like just going back to what you said about like Mason can't fall out. If I was here, it would have been. Yeah. Because HUD, like many, many folks, you know, like, damn, Cam was your nigga, yo. Like, I'm pretty sure Cam niggas on their side. But Hud is, they both, you know what I mean? He can talk to Mace. Right.

He can talk to Cam. Because they had a fallout before and they stopped him and probably, like, Shamgon. You know, Shamgon. Shamgon. Yeah, the ball player. That's probably the only thing that can, yo, Yonagas is violent. I can probably, it's just more like, they like real neutral. It's just like, they like everybody, man.

I mean, just growing up. You know, like, what people don't understand is everybody was friends first. Like, we talking 14, 15, because they all play basketball. And we all did music, like BBO and Big L. You know, Big L was, you know, he was a little finesse. And he started in McGruff. D-I-T-C, right? D-I-T-C, yeah.

You know, D-I-T-C. So when Mase and Cam started rhyming, they would go to L, right? So now, like, I remember Mase, like, first two, Mase and Cam first. Beef was just like, like yo these niggas it's nice beef he's one of one of the rap members part of BBO

but they all went to Mad Center together so they rapping the girl like alright that's good but y'all need to rap

like this talking about compounds compounds is like double words like compounds is see

clean mean be like take care day care late fair whatever so they come back

a week later so L so L so L looking yeah so L like damn

like alright but they rapping the same way Cam rap now we got a thing on YouTube me White Bread Future and Sassane the same way Cam rap now We got a thing on YouTube Me, White Bread, Future And Sassaneck

The same way Cam rhyme now He been rhyming since we was kids They rhyming again to Big L Like a week later, so they're all like Damn He blown away He like, well, y'all gotta start doing 16s They like, what's 16s?

May say it's wrong. That's L telling that to y'all? No, not really. We're camera mates. I'm saying like, when people say they like Kendra Spurris, these niggas was able to do like, this is weird saying it, able to do spit bubbles. Like, they just do stupid, stupid shit and laugh at it.

And we'd be like, yo, it's fucking stupid. But to them, it's funny. They get it. They get it. So the gal is just like, all right, say your rhyme again. The gal is counting. One, two, three, one, one. Mace says 16.

So he's like, all right, stop. Cam says 16, stop. Cam, same thing you see on TV. Same with his kid. Oh, I got this. Cam like, oh, this is too easy, Mace. You know, Mace calm, yeah. And then, they come back a week later

and it was over. I mean, to the point, I mean, I love Big L in depth, but I think Cam and Mace was just too because that's why he ain't put him on eighters and up. A lot of things he probably excluded Mace out because it was just, I mean, them niggas was just too much.

Nah, you know what happened? They caught it, and they learned it quick, and they started getting better than the teacher type shit. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they got, I mean, way. I mean, no, because I'm really there. You know, like, every so in the park,

they come and they fre they freestyle all the time. Every, they just freestyle, freestyle, freestyle. And you just see how they just really excel. Then they go on Stretch and Bobbito. Yeah, because, yeah, they went on Stretch and they went wild. Yeah, because, you know, L had a couple dollars. Gruff had a couple dollars. These niggas, These niggas broke.

So they rapping for survival. You know what I mean? And then Bell, he was still down with D.I.T.C. So he still had, like, his connections, you know, Fat Joe and Andre Giant, all of them. So he was, like, in there already. You know, they wasn't. So, yeah, it was cool growing up and, like, being in them battles. Not really, well, I'll tell you later about the battle.

But before they was rapping with each other, then they started rapping against each other. Our show is about giving people flowers. We want to give y'all your flowers. Face to face. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Fire. Fire. Snoop Dogg said it's better than the Grammy. Because it comes with your goddamn people. Goddamn. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to say one thing that a lot of people really don't know. All it is is because of Stace. Wow. All of this. Wow. Because, you know, Stace, she kind of mad at me.

I ain't speak to her in years, but I got to do this for her because when everybody, so when Big L had his deal and everybody went to school, Mace went to Purchase, I went to BMCC, Jim, Jim went to BMCC, Cam went to Texas. But Stace met Kuda. So we know, like, we know Kuda. She met Kuda? She met Kuda. So Stace is from Kuda?

Yeah, so Stace walked around with Mace Taper. And the reason why I gave her a flower is because everybody stopped. And she gave Kuda from VA. From VA? Yeah. But Kuda was cool with Biggie. You know what I'm saying? So he met Stace.

Kuda was a big role man. Was a big role man. Go ahead. And Stace gave... That's what I'm saying. I don't know what I... Let me tell you.

It's so much... It's so much that's like that. A lot of people don't know because... So Stace gave Kuda the tape and then Kuda the tape and then

Kuda wanted to meet Mace and Grease was doing Mace's demo. So I just I ain't gonna go all in but Stace is really the reason for all of this. Okay. Wait a minute. So baby

baby Stace gave Kuda- Mace's twin, twin sister. Gave Kuda Mace's demo. Yes, Mace's demo. So somebody will ask, how does she know Kuda? So Kuda's girl, one of Kuda's girls at the time was cool with Stace. So she's like, oh, I got this guy, he romancing Biggie. She's like, oh, where are my brothers dead nice?

We play this shit. She was on it. She was on it. She was on it. And the on it. The only thing, it's just, the only reason I ask because everybody like, because everybody went

their separate ways. Because Cam went to school, Mace went to school. So, everybody pretty much stopped rapping. So now I'm like, what's next?

Hold on, let me ask because the first time I ever heard Mace's name is when Big said, he said something and he was like, Mason them.

No, that was later. No, no, no. Mace did, only you, only you came out. No, you talking about victory, Mason, getting out of Mason them. No, that was later. No, no, no. Only you. Only you came out.

No, no. You talking about victory. Mason. Getting on Mason. Yeah, that was later. That was later. You knew the boys before. First time you knew Mason, I think it was the freestyle.

Yeah, the freestyle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But, okay. From Kuda, how does Kuda, how does Mace wind up at Bad Boy? Okay, so they went to How Can I Be Down, one of these Atlanta things, right? In Miami.

How can I be down in Miami? Okay, I don't think it was that. This was in Atlanta. Yeah, this was in Atlanta. I think Jack the Rapper. No, it wasn't even that. It was Jermaine Dupri party. Kuda wanted Mace to meet Jermaine Dupri.

Yes, this is true. That's true. And he like, damn, who this? He said, that's my man, he rap. He rap for puff. Don't sign to nobody when we get to New York. He was going to sign with Heavy D.

Heavy D? Yeah. Mace was going to sign to Heavy D? Heavy D was offered. He had an offer for him. So it was like, I wonder what that would have sounded like. God bless Heavy D,

but that wouldn't have worked. No, I could see that working. That wouldn't have worked. Who knows? I don't see nobody. I don't see M. No, I could see that working. That wouldn't have worked. Nah, nah. I don't see nobody. I don't see Mase coming along. I see Mase coming out. I don't think a puff is a genius, man.

I've seen them. I was there when they was making them hits. I think a puff is a genius, man. He might not write the verse or do the beat, but he know how to arrange it. There's a lot of things that he don't really get a lot of credit for. You know what I mean?

Like Mase did like One Money, One Problem. Puff did Ben and Wilder World Remix. You know what I mean? I was there for both of them. So like he don't get a lot of credit that he really deserves. They made a real good team.

But that's why, so JD missed out, right? Ended up signing Mace, don't talk to nobody when we get home, it's up. Mace flew back, jumped on humble you want to, come on you want to. It was over after that. Now, I want to say real quick, so JD, when it was time for

Harlem World, he's like, yo, hold up. I missed out on Mace. Now it's a full circle. So he spent the block. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It makes more sense now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was, I mean, behind the scenes, it was bad. It was bad. I'm walking around with this shit like radio right here. Yeah. Want to do Quick Thomas Live? Yeah. All right. He was still saying something.

No, no, no. Oh, okay. Anybody want to join me all night for your own sake? All right. But anybody... He was still saying something. No, no, no. Oh, okay. Anybody want to join me all night for Beyonce? All right. Come and do this chill. All right. Just so y'all know,

I don't work for Mrs. Carter. Is that whiskey? Yeah, it's whiskey. So... I'm good, definitely. This is drink. Cheers. You got good there.

Did you hear that? So I went to a party the other night. It was Alex Todd party. Happy birthday. No, man. Happy birthday. And I walked in, and this bottle was sitting there.

And I, you know, I seen it on the gram. I'm like, okay, that's, that's, that's, that's, all right. And I took a shot of it. Oh, my God, it's delicious. But I did it chilled. Chilled. So then I was like, man, it was too good. And then I seen my wife.

She took a sip. She didn't really down her shot. I was like, you a drink champ's wife. I'm disappointed, girl. And I took the rest of it. Boom. But then I had another one. And I was like, OK, we're going to do this.

So I wanted to bring this. This is the first time it's ever been on a drink champs. We're motherfucking hot. You want to explain them the rules? Oh, I got to put on my glasses. I can't see. This is our drinking game. Oh, all right.

So it's shots. It's a shots game. So I don't know how you want to do it. You could sip yours if you don't want to. Oh, shots with that? I'm going to do shots with that. You had shots with that? Huh?

You had it before? I had that before. I said, describe that. Yeah, I said I had it in the park. Y'all can really see better with my glasses. You can see that. It's a prescription. Now you're about to start hitting with the grab bar.

I got the transitions. What's the other shit called? The shit that you wear all day? Progressive. Okay, man. We know you can't see. All right, cool. This is for... This is shots, though. This is shots. We know you can't see. All right, cool.

This is shots, though. We're going to give you two choices. If you pick one, nobody drinks. But if you don't pick, we drink. Shots and Cardi shots. I already noticed. I watch the show a lot. I just like to hear it. We here. Two choices.

If you pick one, nobody drinks. And if you say both Or neither Which means you're not picking We all Yeah we all drink with you though So it'll Individually question

It'll be a little Like for instance For instance This first one Is for all three of y'all Okay And there's certain questions Gonna be for one

Just you Just you Just you And this is for stories Like bringing up people's names So you can tell stories Not about dissing anybody Okay

You know what I'm saying Okay Sir Sir Davis for stories like like bringing up people's names you can tell stories not about dissing anybody that's that be okay sir sir davis yeah yeah i had that yeah i like yeah and it's small shots because it's a long small shot this is a long game yes you gotta i'm doing mr leader you everything you say i said i said all right all right she said it in English? You said it wrong. All right. She said, it's going to be a lot. Yeah, just one. Yeah, yeah. So you can sit if you want. We're just getting started.

All right, all right. Yeah, this is just the beginning. All right, all right. So this is for all three of y'all. Y'all know how many times I tell these stories. Mace or Cam? You will break my soul. Take a shot?

Let's take a shot, man. Let's take a shot? Let's take a shot, man. You got to take a shot. You got to take a shot. Nah, Mase. You doing it, Mase? I'm going Mase. I was trying to keep the love. I want to keep my brother's memory.

I'm going to take a shot for them. And the thing is, all I said, I mean, I mean, of course we can go into it. Of course my lawyer teaches me, Mase. But I'm going to take a shot

for the camaraderie. I mean, because you no, no. Listen, listen. No, no, no. I'm going to take a shot for the contract. I mean, because you can kind of explain yourself. Only reason why I would say Mase is because Mase can do what other rappers can do, but a lot of rappers can't do what Mase can do. You know what I mean? And like that right there. And because, and you know, I'm kind of not biased, but he was like my first draft pick. So, you know what I mean? Just like that. So, was like my first draft pick. So, you know what I mean? Just like that.

So, I will go with it. So, we took a shot. All right. This is for all three of y'all again. I'm sorry. This might turn out to be for all three of y'all. Dipset or the locks? Damn.

I'm going locks. I'm going to go LOX. You know why? Because I grew up more with the locks than Dipset. Yeah, locks. So, locks, nigga, they raised me. Wow, I didn't expect that. No, not personally. I mean, of course, we count Cam, butet. Yeah, Lox. So, Lox, nigga, they raised me. Wow, I didn't expect that. No, not personally.

I mean, of course, we count Cam, but I'm talking about musically. Oh, okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm going to go with them niggas. Come on. We're Lox. Lox. Lox, okay.

All three of y'all with the Lox? Yeah. Damn. I thought it was because of Harlem. Yeah, I thought it was. I mean, we talking actions. Nah, we talking that. Okay, yeah, okay.

I can't lie to you. This is for we're talking. DMX or Jay-Z? Turn the lights even lower. Nah, I'm going home. Come on, we got to go home. I like that. I like that. Big L or Biggie Smalls?

You got to go be out. Hey, yo, bro. I have a conversation about Biggie Smalls? You got to go B.I. Yo, bro. Hey, yo, bro. I have conversations about Biggie. Yo, yo. Hold on. You want a fucking story? Let's get it.

Let's get it. B.I.G., bro. Do you understand how, I don't know how long Big been going for, bro, but there has yet to have been anything remotely close to Biggie Smalls bro and I thought and I thought hove you know like just for the record hove like but bruh it's papa man yo bruh that kid bi bruh the flow everything bro you ever want to tweak out and feel like you're hearing some new bi just go to like the just put kim like put listen to a couple of little kim joints like many people tell me my style is terrific

stupendous tremendous i've been bro bro nobody compares to be i'm gonna finish real quick nobody is even come close to biggie smalls never like bro that kid was too the kid was 20 something bro you listen to his flow we talking flow so we let's go with um what qualifies right for the best mc god mc bro biggie smalls his flow this nigga's voice everything he says you seeing it yep that's That's proper. Bro, nobody can... Next question. Proper. Next question. Next question. I'll help you out. When Biggie's album first came out, I was in jail. And when I heard the album, I smelled that stuff.

Right. I smelled it. I was like, oh, shit. That's how ill he described his shit. It's like, I actually literally could smell how Brooklyn smelled like to me back then. You know what I'm saying? You see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, nobody's close. Nobody's close. Nobody's close. Okay. Hmm. Hmm. Listen, hmm. Dame Dash or D from Rough Riders?

Rough D. I don't really know Dame. I fuck with D, though. D. Okay. D. I mean, what is this? Like, executive?

I mean, let's just move on. Let's just move on. You pissed? Let's just move on. Let's just move on. You pissed? Let's just move on. Okay, Tupac or Eazy? Come on. Come on. Take a shot?

No. All right. Tupac, now, hold up. Rest in peace to both of them, by the way. We can't do B.I. without Tupac. Hold the fuck up. Okay. Tupac, now, if you ask me, so this is going to sound really crazy.

So if you ask me my top five MCs, right, guess who's number one? Tupac, now, if you ask me, so this is going to sound really crazy. So if you ask me my top five MCs, right, guess who's number one? Tupac. Why? So it's just crazy. You just said Biggie. No, no, no. He didn't choose you. So listen.

You just got to host a little bit of Biggie. Because I ain't talking about Tupac. No. Go, go, go. Go, go, go. You get it, right? He don't get it. I don't get it. Yo listen Bruh so Pac right We talking about different like Pac is like

This nigga's like He's like more of a not on a musical Even on a musical but he's not like He's not he doesn't rap better than Biggie. But as a rapper, right? He makes me, he make me feel some hoes up some type of other way. Like he make,

like Pac is like, that's Tupac. He's a Bob Marley. He's going to be around for the next hundred years. This is Tupac. Yeah, when we all going, they going to talk about these guys. He want to love some of my bands. Pac is your number one rapper Yeah Pop is my favorite rapper Of all time

But Biggie But he's not better than Biggie So however you want to scramble that Yeah scramble it That's how I feel No no I get that Because Pop That's how I feel

He's not better than Biggie But he's my favorite rapper Because like growing up Whatever like his That's that effect And Pop is crazy I love Pop He's crazy

I get it right I love them both too, right? But it's got to be a one. It's got to be a one. With Papa and Pac, a lot of times, because we've had this debate a million times, we try to put them in a separate category. They God tier. Yeah, they God tier.

Yeah, and then we start the regular rappers. I think that makes sense too. And then we start regular rappers. You got to put them in God tier. Yeah. We can't put Tupac and Biggie in top fives anymore. They God tier. Yeah. I like that makes sense too. And then we start regular rappers. You got to put them in God tier. Yeah. We can't put Tupac and Biggie in top fives anymore. They God tier. Yeah.

I like that. They God tier. I like that. They God tier. Yeah, they God tier. I'm still in your publishing on that one. Yeah. I like that.

They God tier. They God level. It's a discredit to them, and it's a discredit to niggas like Wayne, to niggas like Hov, to niggas that's alive and still breathing. That's right. Because you compare it. Yeah, it's a discredit to them. Because they work hard. Them niggas put out

more albums than them guys, but we got to put them, we got to separate them. You know what I'm saying? Nino Brown or Frank White? I'm going Frank. You know what's cute? This shit's bigger than Nino Brown. Yeah, I'm going Frank, though.

This shit is bigger than Nino Brown. I'm going Frank. I'm going Frank. though. This shit is bigger than Nino Brown. I'm going Frank. I'm going Frank. Well, they both told, huh? I'm going to take a shot. Look, we forgot we was in the game. Oh, yeah. God, man.

We was in the game. We was in the game. I'm going to take a shot. I'm drinking that Sir Davis. This shit is fantastic. All right, Nelly or Luda? Luda. Luda for me. Luda. Definitely going Nelly. Nelly or Luda? Luda. Luda for me.

Luda. Definitely going Nelly. Nelly. Nelly's an underrated, what's the name, an emcee. Nelly's performed at the goddamn Super Bowl two times. That don't mean nothing. That don't mean. We talking about lyrics.

This is my pick. You right. My pick means everything. You right. You right. You actually right. You're going to get your time. You're going to get a second. No, no, no, no, no, no. You already said Luda. You actually right. I'm trying to say you're taking the call. You're going to get your time. You're going to get a second.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You already said ludicrous. I said ludicrous. Check it out. Listen, my pick means everything, right? Okay. I'm going with fucking ludicrous, right? Say it loud.

Say it loud. That's a T-shirt. That's going to take both. No, I'm sorry. I'm bugging. Yeah, it's sinking in. Thank you, Mr. Lee. You're going with Nelly, you said.

No, I'm going with Nelly. Yeah, I'm going with Nelly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going with Nelly, you said. No, I'm going with Nelly. Yeah, I'm going with Nelly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going with Nelly, man. Nelly, um, Mind You're Meant To, man. Nelly got a diamond album, bro.

Nelly's is, you know, Nelly's Nelly, bro. And they actually did a versus, too. I wish they could do their versus over. I'm over, because they did it during COVID. Yeah, that was, they didn't really touch each other.

They didn't take tests and shit. I wish they could. I know, man. Nelly can't fuck with Luda. When we talking about that thing? Yeah. I'm saying. We got to ask what's criteria with the criteria.

It's your criteria. It's your criteria. It's not that serious. It could be in France. It could be the best. So what is it? That's two Ludas and one Nelly? Yeah.

Okay, that's fair. Nobody drinks. No. Well, we did drink, didn't we? Yeah, I did. No, we didn't. I did. I don't know what we did.

Dave East or Joel Santana? Dave East or Joel's? I'm going Santana. Yeah, I would go with Santana. Just for people I got more of a rapport with. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's going to take a shot.

But yeah, I like Santana better. No, we're good. We're taking shots. Oh, got Yeah, he's going to take a shot. I like Santana better. We're good. We're good. No bad. Everybody takes a shot. Yeah, actually, everybody. One goal, we all go. Oh, one goal, we all go.

It's the Titanic, man. Slick Rick or Andre 3000? I heard you. I love this one. It's a good one. Slick Rick the Andre 3000? I heard you. I love this one. It's a good one. Slick Rick the Ruler, man. Slick Rick the Ruler? Yeah.

Children's Story. You know what I just heard? On Children's Story, he said, oh, Andre ran up the block to university. That's in the BX. Do you understand that Europe people, they don't call it college? Yeah, I mean... They call it university.

Here, too. I never... I never peeped that Slick Rick was talking about college. I was like, wait a minute. I'm thinking it's a block and university and... It's talking about college. University.

I'm not 100% sure. People go on vacation. You know what they call it? Holiday. See, you know that. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university.

I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university.

I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. I ran into a tree near university. Near college. I don't think so. I don't think so.

I think so, man. But it could be. We call it University Street. No, it's University Avenue. And what he's saying, if he's saying it, ran into a tree near university. University. Near college. Near a college. Not University Avenue. Yes. You get what I's saying, if he's saying it Round into a tree near university Near college Near a college, not university You get what I'm saying?

Because he's saying they don't say college They say university So in the rhyme, if he's saying Round into a tree near university Yeah, we got to get to the bottom of this We got to get to the bottom That's what the block's, right? That's what the block doing, 83 Yeah, because, you know, I've been catching a little shit.

Like, you know what I'm saying? What? Like, listen. I listened to Tony, Tony, Tony. And Tony, Tony, Tony said, Well, it may be cold on the East Coast, but on the other side of town. I said, that was a shot. Yeah, like, it may be cold on the East Coast, but on the other side of town. I said, that was a shot.

Yeah, like, it never rains. Why it may be cold on the East Coast? Why you got to talk about our weather? I'm sure we have a few more coasts, right? Yes. They skipped over down south. It may be cold on the East Coast. That was a shot.

That was a shot. The other side of town is fine. It never rains. Yeah. That all the time to slide it never rains yeah that's a classic that's a classic that's like that's a classic tone odb or biz marky oh yo new york in the house i'm going odb you work with odb too i did i. And that was so crazy, you know, man. Can you imagine like, can you imagine like trying to write a verse, not per se write a verse but- And what ODB did you work with? You worked with- Rockefeller ODB. When he came home from jail.

When he came home from jail, okay. I worked with Rockefeller ODB. Okay, I did too. That's the same time. But that was like, it was, but no, we did it. You know what's crazy? Grease did that. Grease did that. Grease did the beat. Grease was producing, yup., but no, we did it. You know what's crazy? Grease did that. I know. Grease did the beat.

Grease was producing, yep. So, yeah, nah, yeah. So, trying to write a verse for him? Yo, bro. How was it? Can you imagine? He's thinking, shimmy, shimmy, y'all. Like, what the fuck?

Shimmy, shimmy, y'all. Shimmy, yeah. Shimmy, yeah. Yeah. Like, there's no, there's no, like, you're going to overthink that. You know what I'm saying? Right. But he was cool, man.

It worked out. I did, I don't want to say too much. It's so crazy. And we need to stop this for songwriters, man, especially hip-hop songwriters. Like, bro, having a hit record is a good problem. So for me in my world, right, so as a rapper's writer, right, nobody was never like, oh, please don't tell nobody this. Please don't tell nobody this. I don't want to, you know what I'm saying?

And I get it with rappers because everybody want to have the machismo, like, nigga, I did this. But 100% of nothing is nothing. Right? Go ahead. You want to write your whole shit just to say you did it? Cool. But you can get some help.

Michael Jackson ain't write Thriller by himself. These records, these 100 million. And when I tell niggas, I'm like, yo, you got a good problem. I don't care about telling people I wrote this song. I just want to get paid for writing a song. I don't give a fuck, yo. I don't give a fuck. Yo.

Right. Right? Good. So, go ahead That's what I am. Right. Good. So, go ahead. We on quick time. Okay. We on quick time. We going to get into all that.

Don't worry about it. Wu-Tang Claire or N.W.A.? Jesus Christ. I got to go with the niggas in black. Them boys is crazy. N.W.A. is crazy. Are you going with N.W.A.? I'm a little younger.

I'm a little older. N.W.A. That thing came over here'm a little younger. I'm a little older. NWA. When that thing came over here down West Coast, it was Harlem Cavs. All right, so this is what we're doing. You picked up NWA. You picked up NWA.

You was about to pick Wu-Tang, right? I'm picking Wu-Tang. All right, so if it's two against one, then we drink, then. They outvoted you. That's what it is. All right, no one's listening to you, though.

Everybody, you know? That looks solid. I'm 4N. I swear swear to drunk I'm not God that's you the Jets or the Giants Giants we looked good last night you saw it Giants all day

they didn't let Saquon Barkley go man they keep on going right Jets we got Aaron Rodgers right didn't let Saquon Barkley go man They going on Jets we got Aaron Rodgers No I'm saying But they Giants let Saquon Barkley go man Yeah they did

They played themselves So we going Jets I'm going Giants still But Yeah they played themselves So you going Jets Giants Whatever Okay so

You're the tiebreaker No I said it I said it I mean The Jets man The Jets So we got to take a shot No no no I picked it. I mean, the Jets, man. The Jets. Yeah, he got the Jets. So he got to take a shot.

No, no, no. I picked the Giants. Yeah, Giants, Jets was even. And he said nothing. You can tell. You ain't been home for football Sunday in 1,100 years. I'm with you. There you go.

He ain't picked neither. All right, so be safe. OK. Lauren Hill or MC Lyon? Come on. Hill, MC Lyon. We got to go L-Boogie. We got to go L-Boogie. That's the safe. Okay. Lauryn Hill or MC Lyte? Come on. Hill, MC Lyte. Yeah, we got to go L Boogie. We got to go L Boogie.

That's the queen. Nah. Even with the one album. MC Lyte was influential. Nah, we love Lyte. Lauryn is just like, you need to watch out. I love Lyte.

I like Roughneck and all that. You the cha-cha-cha to this money. I just put Cappuccino up on my instead of a thing. Roughneck was hard, but we talking about it's funny how money changed the way it's on.

I mean, because she's not a singer. She, she... Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence. If you take away the singing, the singing part... Nah, even if you take away singing, she's still... She's an LMC,

but I mean, if you're going to go without the singing, and go... Talk, Blank, talk. You can cha-cha-cha. You think it's a battle with like...

And Lawrence, without the singing? Yes Because her melodies make her records You agree with that? Her melodies make her records Without the singing? Without the singing?

Lauren is better than some niggas Without the singing? Without the singing, yes What are you talking about? Without the singing Let's scrap all Lauren's singing We can do a version without No Lauren's R&B shit.

Tell me when she might go eight bars and then, so I was singing at the last minute. Yeah, I will. MC Lyte going straight 16. Lyte is a rock. He's crazy. Straight 20. No chance.

So, Lyte. Yeah, Lyte. Don't play yourself. You already said Lawrence. Yeah, I did say Lawrence, but you said without the singing. That's a different criteria. You keep it in check. Go ahead.

He can't just take it. It's your own criteria. It's your criteria. Play yourself. Go ahead. Walk into it. Light. Oh, all right.

Can we take a shot? Yeah. No, I said light. No, I know. It's two against one. Two against one. So no, cancel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Light. I'm going to go light. So I thought two against one, you do take a shot. No, you came up with that. It's just two against one. Yeah against one. So no, cancel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Light. I'm going to go light. So I thought two against one, you do take a shot. No, you came up with that. It's just two against one. Yeah, we going down. We changing the rules. We changing the rules now.

Yeah. No, two against one if they're not. Oh, no, they picked. Yeah. Oh, no, we don't drink. They picked. No. It was two.

It's two if they don't pick. Two against one. All right, we fucking out, man. It's okay. All right. Shots. I'm down to drink whatever. McGruff or AG?

With Showbiz? Showbiz, AG? I'm going with McGruff. Yeah, McGruff. The crime dog? Yeah, McGruff. That was easy? Everybody remember?

Yeah, that's enough. Yeah, McGruff never really got his just. I always thought he was dope. Nah, I love Pound Puppy. Yo, and growing up, man, with Mace, yo, Mace used to, even when we used to talk, he'd be like, yo, that nigga Gruff dope, right? I'd be like, yeah, that nigga Gruff dope. We always just, Gruff is just, I mean, Gruff is, he wasn't.

Nah, Gruff, that's the OG. That's the OG. Money, man, so he wasn't really. That's the OG. Gruff was on that Monifa song. He wasn't really. I was shorty at that time. Gruff killed that.

He was getting on those. And he was signed to Heavy. And he was signed to Heavy D. He was signed to Heavy He was signed to Heavy Yeah, Gruff, yeah, definitely Dame Grease or Just Blaze? We're going to go with Grease Grease got slaps

You know, he started that when everybody was coming up Jada, everybody, niggas done started something Like, I was there that night in D&D That's the beginning of the cook- up for everybody mmm that's grease mmm we got it just plays that I like it yeah so shout out to just um dapper dad or goofy Lou oh take a shot take a shot take a shot. You're going to leave that on me. Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot.

I like that. Y'all all in cahoots. I like that. Mm-hmm. Damn, fashion brought y'all together. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Those are legends.

Fashion legends, man. Shout out to Groove and Dap. Boyz n the Hood or Menace Society? Hey, you want to see a dead body? I ain't going front. I like O-Dog. I'm going with Menace. O-Dog is one of my

favorite characters ever. That's a little bit of a mistake? Yes. I'm going with Menace. Sorry. Even though Kane, that was Boys in the Hood,

right? No, no. Kane is Menace. Yeah, Menace. All day. Menace. Boys in the Hood got a better

kind of story. That's cute, man. That's cute. I think I'm going to go Boys in the Hood. It was the first of that. Yeah, that's the one. Are you saying like

Menace is a sequel to fucking Boys in the Sand? No, no, no. I'm just saying it's the predecessor to Menace. So that is it? Yeah. But why?

Because this is L.A.? No, it's just the first movie that came out like that about that L.A. stuff. What about... No, he's saying it's just the first. Unless you're counting

colors, which I don't... South Central and colors? I it's just the first time. Unless you're counting colors. South Central and Colors? I don't count... South Central. South Central. South Central could go. You know what? No, no.

South Central. Colors can't really go. So it wasn't the first. I don't want the Colors. I see that Colors. Yeah. No, the song is good. That song, yeah.

We talking about the movie. But the movie wasn't... That kind of pulled us... Like I said, in my era, this is where they... No, that movie was ill to me. Which one? South Central? That cult.

But he said don't qualify. I was scared. But you would say South Central. It was realistic. Yeah, but I'm not a dude in L.A. I'm a dude in New York, and that shit sounded crazy to me. No, it was ill. I don't know.

It's just to me. I want you on color. I want you on color. It's like Boys in the Hood, Medicine Society, and then Juice. Those were the movies that resonated to be more realistic. To our generation. I get it. You correct.

You don't qualify, but South Central, you do. Just again, maybe I was still too young for South Central. He's too close to L.A. He's from L.A. He's taking this shit too personal. Nice. Because I said juice, man. I'm fucking with you.

What was it? What was it, too? Boys in the Hall of Menace. I'm Menace. I'm Menace. All right. MTV Raps or Rap City? Rap City.

Rap City. The basement? Oh, that's something different. No, Rap City is the basement. That's crazy. MTV Raps? That's noise. No, I'd probably go with the basement. that's something different though rap city is the best that's crazy that's the noise no i'll probably go with the basement yeah um that last episode of your mc raps was crazy yeah the cypher was not saying it was gold yeah i don't remember that i got it i got to talk about it yeah yeah that's what i'm saying i need it i need a second y'all don't have a fucking hourglass? Too many hourglasses? You think about that?

We got shot glasses. I'm going to have to go. That was crazy, though, too. When y'all start talking that, yo, I'm going to go No Rhapsody. That's cypher. Now this one, I don't know where y'all going to end up.

Is it individually or? This is all three. All right. I mean, we might as well just keep it all three. Kanye West or Pharrell? Jeez. Go ahead, Blue One. Start it off.

Let me start it off. Ah, man. Make it quick. Nah, because I got to say what resonates with me, right? Because obviously we all love them both, right? Yes, we do. Pharrell beats, man. We can't say Pharrell without the Neptunes.

It's kind of messed up that Pharrell starts as Pharrell without Chad. You know what I'm saying? Because when we was recording, Pharrell did two beats. Yeah, Rob Walker, Sheldon Walker, and Malik. Yeah, and Malik. Yo, bro, we was getting, you catapulted that. Come on. Yes, yes, yes.

I'm on penalty with you. God damn it. My budget is open. God damn it. My budget is open. Keep going. I'm going to freestyle in there with you. That's right.

God damn it. God damn it. Yo, right? I'm a lingo right now, nigga. right. I did it. Yo, right? I'm a Lego right now, nigga. We got beats from Pee Wee and Chunk King. We got records with Pee, for real. For real records. So it's safe to say you're going with Pharrell.

No, it's safe to say that it's unfair that Pharrell has Chad with you. It's unfair. But, yeah, I'm going with Pharrell. Okay. You got on purpose, so I don't know where you're going with this one. Yeah, go ask Pete. Okay, all right. Okay. You got on purpose, so I don't know where you're going with this. Ask me. Okay. That's crazy.

That's crazy. I'm going to have to go. You did it. You definitely confused me. Let's go to you. All right. Talk to me, man. That show with the tall face and being there. I got to go with Kanye, man. That shit was tall-faced and beady.

I got to go with Kanye, man. That beat he made for that one. Who's that? You said who? One Pharrell. I'm going Kanye. I'm going Yeezy. Kanye's going Yeezy?

You going Yeezy? They going rapper Yeezy, but go ahead. Next question. How about Yeezy? Oh, so we drink because it's two to one. No, they pick. They both pick two to one. No, we have a shot in a minute.

We fucking drink. I mean, just take the shot anyway. Yeah, we fucking drink. This shit is changing the fucking room. We have a shot in a minute. We fucking drink. I mean, just take the shot anyway. Yeah, we fucking drink. This shit is changing the fucking room. We have a shot in a minute. We fucking drink. Yo! Mmm.

Gosh, man. I see what you're doing. Two of them picked. We go with the two. Yeah. All right, guys. It's a monster. All right, where we at?

You got to take this one. You know that. Scarface or Ice Cube? Well, I got to take this. Because you know. I ain't going to front, Brad. Yo. Goddamn, I'm glad y'all You know. I ain't going to front, Brad. Goddamn, I'm glad y'all said it.

You ain't going to front, Brad. Now, that's not my final answer, but yo, that, um, never seen a man cry. I can't front, man. That whole album, yo, that Jesse James. Jesse James. Yo, wait. Jesse James, yeah. Brad, yo, I ain't gonna front but Cube oh my god

take a fucking shot that's what the game is for take a shot I'm not picking I'm not picking I'm not picking I'm not picking I mean

Cube man god damn I'm glad y'all set it off Cube used to be hard now y'all just went soft I'm going Brad

I'm going I'm going Brad I'm going either way it's a fucking shot either way it's a fucking shot I'm going to miss that shot too I'll tell you a quick story about Scarface we in Vegas Superdog number one the promoter like yo You wanna go first

I don't realize This is Las Vegas Scarface territory So I'm young Dumb Full of cum Don't give a fuck I'm like

So Scarface gotta I'm closing out fuck. I'm like, Tom Scarface got a, I'm closing out the show. I'm number one. Big mistake. Trust me, you don't want to come on after Mary, Mary, Mary. He's just going there.

Yo. I was like, oh, I messed up. That nigga voice too. That's why I took a shot. You ever see an Ice Cube show? That nigga Ice Cube. I remember we did a show.

And we like, aight. Because, you know, Timberwood, you know, doing a show. We like, aight. We kind of pick. At that time, you know, Mace was hot in the fish group. So he was, the promoter said, aight, when do y'all want to go? So we like, yo, we never really went last. I,

you know, let, you know, just let Ice Cube go. I think it was, yo, him and Karras, one might have been

the two, the best, that we had to give it the, we might have to, we might have to out be a little more. We might have to, we might have to. These niggas,

these, I think it was going. Yo know i remember cube came to heart to the polo with those jerry curls with the raiders hat right are you dumb shut the whole block down yo bro He got with Bomb Squad. That's when he first came to New York. With the Bomb Squad. That's crazy. That's why I took a shot. I can't pick. I can't pick. I think it's Radio Podcast.

No. I skipped. Go ahead. It's Radio Podcast. We'll go back. We'll go back. Yeah. Radio Podcast.

Podcast. Radio, you know, it's too political, I think. It's cool. I'm sure, you know, we all growing up on radio. We need radio. I love radio. But if I had to choose, I'm going to choose podcast. New Age podcast is good.

I like podcast. Yeah, podcast. Because you get to see some live things that go with it. Right. Not just the audio. Okay. Lord Finesse or OC? Who?

OC. OC. Who is that? I'm going to go Lord. Who isse or OC? Oh, who? OC. OC. Who's that? I'm going to go Lord. Who's OC? OC? You don't know OC? Your hip-hop car got to be Rope.

I'm a little younger. They both are younger. 15 minutes at least. They're both in the crazy. I mean, what's his name? What's the OC? Because Lord Finesse was like the teacher. What's his name?

He was teaching Big Al. Not saying teaching, but like, this is how you should do a song. And then he would and he would, Big Al would bring it to like, you know, CLC. Lord is tough. Yeah, Lord is tough. Yeah, I'm going Lord Finesse. You got it?

Yeah. Jermaine Dupri or Irv Gotti? JD. I did Jam On It with JD. Shout out to JD. That's my guy. Yeah, JD. That's right. Yeah, that's in my notes.

You got to... JD. JD.D. Shout out to J.D. That's my guy. Yeah, J.D. That's in my notes. J.D. When we first moved to Atlanta, we lived with J.D. He gave his key to his crib. That's why when, I think, when they said about the whole...

When they were doing a deal, wanted to move, J.D. was like, yo, just take the crib and buckhead. J.D. is a real good dude, man. Yeah. Real, real good, real good. He goes back. He was a dancer for Houdini.

Yeah, yeah. What tour was that? The Fresh Fest? Yeah, the Fresh Fest. Right. Fresh Fest. That's way, way. Clips or EPMD?

Eric and Paris making dollars. And I'm in the age where I could pick the clips, but and I'm and I would I'm in the age where I could pick the clips but now I'm talking about impact on me I gotta give you answers based off of how

that shit impact me EPMD all that EPMD is more culture but Eclipse is tough yeah Eclipse

Pusha is really EPMD I'ma go EPMD that shit you know that shit life changing EPMD we got in go EPMD That shit You know that shit Life changing Two

EPMD We got the chill No more drinks Okay Finally Finally it's clear EPMD I would love to know

Y'all answers for this shit Oh yeah That's why we're not together Gangstar Or Eric B. and Rakim Gangstar Eric B. Come on We can't Eric B. That's the? Gangsta, Eric. Come on.

Eric B., that's the R. Like, when you saying that, like, you playing around. What? Like, the R is the top of the brass. We're not going to even play with it. Yeah, the R. Me. Okay.

And Guru was dope. Yeah, Recipe's dope. That's the R. Recipe's dope. Yeah, but that's the R. Yeah, that's the R. That's the R. That kid kick a hole in the speaker, pull a plug, then I jet.

Yeah, that's top of the brass. Eve or Missy? I'm going E-ow. Missy. Missy. Missy? Yeah, Missy. Okay.

A$AP Rocky or Travis Scott? A$AP. For me, just because. Harlem. Harlem. Big Harlem. Yeah, Big Harlem. I'm going with that. I'm biased.

I'm going Big Harlem with that. Okay. Go ahead. Don't be that one. Don't be that one. Nah, nah, nah. See, there's no criteria. These questions are loaded.

Okay. Yeah, just because there's no criteria. I'm going to go with A. Saraki. Of course. Y'all all together. Karkana or Fubu? I like Karkana, man. I think Fubu, even though they went commercial

with the LL, but I like Karkana. I like Karkana. It's more like retro vintage. I think Fubu shit, they probably still got Fubu and fucking... They got some Carl out. I guess, I don't know, Carl? I like Carl.

I'm going to go Carl. All three was together for the last couple of ones. I'm very proud of y'all. This is the last one. No, we got one more. One more before the last one. Kendrick or Cole? Kendrick or Cole? Oh shit

Who? Kendrick or Cole? What you said blue one? Kendrick Lamar Or J. Cole No criteria So this Who you like

J. Cole J. Cole J. Cole Yeah J. Cole J. Cole Kendrick Kendrick Take a shot

Might as well We don't do one I just took one I got one last one left called Kendrick. Kendrick. Take a shot? Might as well. We don't know. I just took one. I got one last one left. She, she, she ain't. I just took one. He can't drink a shot. We trying to get you to finish that bottle.

Huh? We trying to get you to finish that bottle. You ain't got no. You got to chill. Okay. He took one. I just took one. Loyalty or respect?

I'm going to go with respect. Just me. I think it just lasts longer because essentially, you know what I'm saying? Respect? Yeah, I'm going to go with respect just me i think it just lasts longer because essentially you know what i'm saying they both yeah i'm gonna go respect yeah okay yeah i'm gonna respect yeah we we like that i'm loyal to you i'm big on the other side oh that's two to one all right we take it yes another shot yeah yeah that's not a little cell phone i'll catch you up you ain't taking no shot anyway. I'm taking sips, man.

So, Cardi. Yes, sir. People call one of the hottest rappers out, Cardi. That's crazy. I know you personally, but we have to introduce you to our world. I know you probably don't mind, but I'm sure introduce you to our world. I know you probably don't mind, but I'm sure that's things that come across your desk. Yeah.

Yes, interesting. Obviously, we're talking about Cardi B. Absolutely. Big up to Cardi B. She's a New Yorker, too. Shout out to her. Big New York. Yeah, nah. That was like I feel like that was like

ironic. Just like, damn. We got the same name. She just got a B. Nah, it's cool. That's Cardi B. She's a fucking legend. She's a fucking legend. I love Cardi B. The name-wise, whatever. I'm going to get a picture with her and say,

with the real Cardi, please stand up. Please stand up. Please stand up. That's why. That's why. That's why. Nah, I feel no ways about that shit. Yeah.

So before, I'm going to bounce around real quick. But you spoke about it earlier. Jam on it. Mm-hmm. It's your first budget budget opens again it's two of the hottest producers that's out uh one of them being uh puff daddy the other one being jermaine dupree you guys had to deal with harlem world already so digger did jam on it oh and we all know jam on is from the nucleus jam on the jam on it yeah so we all know Jam on it is from the nucleus. Jam on it, Jam on it. So that was a symbol. But Diggah did Jam on it, yeah.

I always switch main and break. Nah, JD had a verse on it. Oh, okay, okay. JD had a verse on it. I'm not going to bug it. But what about it? No, I'm saying, what made you go with JD for that time? I ain't going to front. That's a good question. Man, bro, I'm 15'm 15 right i'm still in

high school i didn't know if it was up to me because bro so we started on clue tapes right yes yes we did so big up the clue too big up the clue shout out to clue manatee i used to go with mace before we did that freestyle mace had a few more freestyles on clue before we did our freestyle so i used to go with mace a few more freestyles on Clue before we did our freestyle. So I used to go with Mase to do those freestyles. We used to go to his mom's basement in Queens. In Queens. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So I feel like, I mean, I was young, man. I feel like if it was up to me, I would have put out more street shit, more mixtape shit. Instead of doing jam on it, jam on it. It's cool. I was young. You know what I mean? I had my goal.

Not my goal, but Jermaine Dupri for me, for me as a young guy, crisscross. That shit changed my life. You know what I'm saying? Bow wow. Bow wow. Bow wow wasn't even. Bow wow was in the 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris Cross.

Wow, that's right. Bro, Chris Cross, this is the time of the box. When you gotta call up and request Jump, right? Yeah. So bro, that was life-changing for me. Jump, just alone. JD was a part of that. I was satisfied and happy with working with JD.

Yo, it's crazy, because Seeds was on that song before JD was on it. Cause this was around the time Seeds was on fire. He took Seeds off of there, he found it. It wasn't my idea. He found it. He found it. He found it. He found it.

He found it. He found it. Or on them, they clear Seeds. It was so funny. That's what it was. It was so funny. It was so funny. We didn't know the trailer was in it. We didn't know the trailer was in it. That's the I'm talking about. Look at what the crowd is. Look at what the crowd is.

That's the easy half. That was the same way. They ain't clamming. They ain't clamming. That's just a lot of shit, man. They ain't clamming, yo. Yeah, yeah. And Steve know that.

But, yo, I was just happy. If it was up to me, Norrie, have stayed i would have stayed yo i got a rock clue tape top of new york playing kuwait with two states i would have stayed there because that was my that was my warm spot you know what i'm saying so but it was cool to love and shout out to cool love because that's still my brother but you know what it is bro at the time so in the music business right we got to think the business of music. Right? You get what I'm saying? So he thinking, yo, we get JD on here. You know, subconsciously you think, you get what I'm saying? You go commercial.

You get out of there. Yeah, you trying to get out of there. Right. So me at the time, bro, I was just so happy to be there. Right. That's really the answer. It really mattered to me, bro. I was coming from a tenement building in Harlem.

Right. I had to get, you know what I'm saying? I was really struggling. Exactly. I really matter to me, bro. I was coming from a tenement building in Harlem. I had to get, you know what I'm saying? I was really struggling. I was happy to be there. I got a record there with Penalty. I got N.O. on there. Capone, shout out to Capone. Capone was there. This is CNN. This ain't Noriega. This is CNN.

That's right. David Banner was on that label. Shout out to David Banner. In fairness, it wasn't David Banner. It that label. Shout out to David Banner. Crooked Lettuce. Crooked Lettuce. In fairness, it wasn't David Banner. It was Crooked Lettuce. Exactly. Exactly.

And we're going to go there. We're going to go there. Let's go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, bro, ultimately, bro, I was just excited, man. Looking back now, I would have changed. I would have put out something a little more edgy. Right. Instead of just going jam on it.

But, bro, I got JD on my song. I don't regret it. I love it. You know what's crazy? I have the same story in a different way because when my album dropped, they told me that Super Thug would never work.

Because it was super commercial? So the reason why I didn't go platinum fast was because I listened to them. You got to remember Penalty was a young label too. So we learned it with the label. Yeah. Boutique. You know what I'm saying?

Years later, I was like, holy shit. They wasn't experts. Tommy Boy wasn't a major either. No, but they had to convince Tommy Boy every single dollar that they got. You know what I'm saying? It's an indie on an indie. I thought Tommy Boy was major.

No, Tommy Boy was major. No, Tommy Boy was major. You bugging? No, you bugging? They weren't like an Atlantic or a Universal. Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were. I was going to say.

Yeah, they were. I'm telling you, bro. No, no, no, no, no. It was major. I'm going to tell you this. Their office was different than our office. Yes, yes, yes.

They made great money. I don't think they were. No, no, no. It was. It was. Would you, would you, would you, different than our office. Yes, yes, yes. I don't think they were considered. No, no, no, it was. It was. What you're not thinking of was they were bought by Warner, or they were bought by Weir. I forget what it was. Which is Warner, Weir.

Yeah, yeah. So they were fully funded, they were fully operational, and they were fully the distribution. Like if you looked at it, it said Tommy Boy Records. Very, very little in the thing. Don't think about the original Tommy Boy. The original Tommy Boy. No, no, no.

The original. I'm talking about when we got there. By the time we were there, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. By that time, they became major. Right, yeah. Once we started getting the boy rolling.

Yeah. But, yeah, that's what it is. I would have rather heard Kane Milton. You know where I'm going. What's up, NL? What's going on? First off, we're sitting here today. We're going through all the YouTube videos.

And the video pops up. What video pops up? And the video pops up and it's you watching Vimpleek on Drinker. It's me watching? Or you playing Bleek's interview on Drink Chats. I don't know. And you said, this is what you said. You said, man, I'm just sitting here having a

happy Sunday. And I gotta address this. And you say, Normie, I gotta talk. I gotta talk. You gotta talk, man? I'm like, holy holy shit I'm dying like literally it was tears coming out of my eyes cause I was like

this is gonna be good so that's one part let's ask cause what was you responding to what Bleak said okay where we starting at? Wherever you want to go.

This is your criteria. Remember. What did Bleak say? No, no, no. What did Bleak say? What was he responding to? He said he didn't know me. He said he didn't know me.

Okay, okay. I think I heard him say that before. It's just funny. He knows me. You know what I'm saying? You know, everybody knows the situation that happened with me and Jake, right?

Which was rap shit. Before we go... Yeah. One... Let's bleep first and then we'll get into Jake. Well, that's what it was about because Bleak, he know me. He was on Live on Linux, our album. You was on Live on Linux.

Oh, that's right. You know what I'm saying? That's right. We don't act like that. Bleak is gonna act like that yeah he got scratched after the situation you know what I'm saying it's a lot of layers to the thing you know so I just be like sometimes like for me and my whole thing

the whole me no thing a lot of people on the gram they know me as Glowfather right now but the whole me no thing right it's like sometimes they try to sweep them to the side you know i'm saying it's like it's a thing with me and i understand my position but we don't act like we don't know me right i'm from the crevice right like we was talking about the battles like i'm one of them right out of the hollum spitters i'm one of the guys right top of the brass right you

know what i'm saying so when it was just that and I'm like, yo, because I had seen a couple of people, they be chatting. I just I don't be on the joint. Right. So it was that time the homie had it. And he kind of shouted me. I'm just in my cubby. I ain't saying nothing to nobody. People bothering me or shouting my name. So I just want to, you know, I like clarification. We grow men. We can always have clarification and tell the truth. Because see, the truth, it don't play out. Right. It's going to always be relevant, the truth.

Okay, so let me ask you. Uh-huh. Because I don't understand how you and hoes can be friends. Let me just, I'm an outsider looking in. Sometimes it's the insider looking out. All I see is Mace and Hov kind of going through it.

Then at some point, it seemed like that calmed down and it seemed like all the world kind of broke up or kind of went their separate ways. Let me not say broke up. Disbanded, man. And then it seemed like you came at him because it was like, throw the rover over.

Oh, you heard that? Throw the rover over. Was that it? Yeah. He was known for having the Range Rovers. I thought I told you. My niggas would turn over the Range Rover. Call them a fish out.

Steel pack pit style. Winter time. Top down. Let go a missile. We in the days of hot winters and cold summers. Fake niggas popping up with big numbers. Because see, a lot of them be mixing up, I'm that nigga.

That's the part I want to get clarification on. I'm glad you know the actual where it kind of started at right okay and the essence of it if you hear it it's hip-hop right yeah of course of course it's not I never said he was a whack MC yeah I know like I said I come from the essence so I know the criteria I'm not playing with that right this is about the culture right this is about what's happening at the time right Big Harlem right you know I'm saying that was a shot for Big Harlem if you hear the record and know what I'm saying? That was a shot for Big Harlem. If you hear the record and know what it's about,

they say Harlem. Right. They jacking our style. They jacking our style. They got nothing to do with rap. I see y'all playing, man. Yeah. I'm a competitor.

Are we talking this? I do that. Okay. I'm really into that. Was this before y'all saw them on 2-5th? Oh, you want to bring up the 2-5th? No, because I need to hear. I need to hear.

Nah, it was him at hard. No, we don't got the call about it. Oh, so what happened? Because I don't think I was at the 2-5th. It was him at hard. It was me, hard. It was him at hard. Okay, tell us what happened.

You know what I'm saying? It was one of those nights. It was actually like my birthday. So we was driving. Cole put up on you on your birthday? No, he ain't. We actually met at a light. He had the billboard.

He had the billboard. He had the billboard. He had the billboard right by the Apollo. We met at the light, right? This was at the time when he, you know, the billboard with the one leg up? Okay. The drop. Okay.

Damn, we getting into it. This is what we doing. Let's go. I mean, remember, 2-5th at the time, they used to let you put the billboard on the side of the Apollo. Yeah. Right? Across the mark, 125. Right, it was a whole wall, so you could get the long...

Y'all couldn't afford that, but go ahead. Yeah, you get the billboard there. So at the time, whatever album that was, he had to join up there. Right. This is after Mase had... No, matter of fact, this is during All Out time. The label? Yes.

When this situation happened. So we coming uptown and we get at the light. El Porto, you know that block right there? You don't know that block. You don't know Steam? But go ahead. You put the Spanish over there. It's the restaurant where they do the Steam fish.

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Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. my birthday right hoving tata right loom yeah i gotta say it nader i know but loom was there too hum do a lot okay so we on the joint and we like you think you rp you ain't rp we screaming talking about rich porter because he got the big poster there and the one leg up you know with the air it was supposed to be like a risk i mean that's a rich look it was though but i mean but he was paying homage he was paying homage it's a rich porter look mean, that's a rich look. It was, though, but he was paying homage. He was paying homage. It's a rich, fodder look, though. You know that thing,

that drop top, that one leg up them ears? That's Big Harlem. I'm going to keep it a bundle, you know? So we on our own. I'm sorry. Your acclaim was dudes biting Harlem. They jacking our style. Jacking y'all style.

Yeah. Okay, and you got on his beat. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. We talking about doing it. We going to go, right? Go ahead, let's go. We ain't going to play if we going to go.

Go ahead, let's go. We got to understand that this is the Art of MC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what a lot of people don't understand. This wasn't no, why you think he responded? Right. He know what that is? Right, right. This ain't no little boy playing. Yeah, it's the Art't understand. This wasn't no, why you think he responded? He know what that is? This ain't no little boy playing.

This could hurt. And you know how many people he doesn't respond to? That's what I'm trying to tell you. This could hurt. That's the real response. That's the real response. When you don't respond. Exactly.

At this time, you know, we got the lot. You know, Greece just got the deal. Right. Yeah. You know, it's a lot going on., Grease just got the bill. Yeah. You know, it's a lot going on. We got Harlem on fire. We got the Rucker.

Everything's happening. And they was filming. Grand Stool. Yeah, but they filming the movie in Harlem at this time. Ooh. The Painted Fool. Painted Fool. It's another layer to that because, you know, shout out to Makai.

You know, that was kind of, could have been a lot movie too. Vacant Lot. There's some things in there. You know, we had talked about that, but there's some texture to that. You know, where Cam and Makai would be Poe and Rich. That's a Harlem thing if you really look at the dynamic. Of course, Dane. So that happened. But during the time

when I took the shot, you know, God bless the dead, Miss Porter's on the front of that. Miss Velma Porter. You know what I'm saying? She's on the beginning of the record. She's on the beginning of the record. You got a lot of dough.

That's cool with me. You got a lot of hoes. That's cool with me. You got a lot of drops, a lot of Bentleys. But none of that shit don't make you all pee. Okay. This is Velma Porter. I only got two sons.

Come see me about that movie. I'm just saying. That's the beginning. So this is about. But that movie was more of a Dame thing? I'm asking. Whatever thing. I mean, I'm in the movie too.

Here's the thing. I'm in the movie, just so you know. Either way you slice it, that movie was more of a Harlem thing. That's what I'm saying. I don't think K had. No, no, no. Like I said, I feel slice it, that movie was the Harlem thing. That's what I'm saying. I don't think Jay had. No, no, no. Like I said, I feel like I feel like it was Ben. So let me ask you.

He shouts rich. OK, so let me ask you. Because thank you. Like me and Bleak, I play with Bleak on camera and I play with Bleak off camera. And off camera, I always be like, what made you go at Nas? Like, who was you go at Nas? Uh-huh. What was you drinking that morning? Because you got to know. You got to know. You're an MC.

You got to know that this was a big step to take. Or did you not know that this was a big step? At this time, at this time, Kovac's up, but we just left murder. Right.

I just left Mase, the top of the brass. Right, right. Nobody was bigger than murder. Right, right. Hove wasn't bigger than murder at this time. We talking sitting on top of the world dollar. Right? So when we talking about rap, I'm a rapper, you a rapper.

My mind wasn't set on the politics. Right? I'm talking rapper You a rapper I'm not My mind wasn't set On the politics Right I'm talking about rap shit I'm fresh off Harlem World And see what happened was I got to deal with Vacant Lot

When I came home Cause that was always the play Grease was my producer So I got a solo deal From From Harlem World Once Mace retired

I got a solo deal For Vacant Lot Priority right Priority Vacant Lot Grease You get what I'm saying Once Mace retired, I got a solo deal for vacant lot. Priority, right? Priority vacant lot, Greece. You get what I'm saying? Cube was over there, too. Yeah. Okay.

A bunch of the West Coast. That was another situation. But at that time, I'm thinking MC. I'm nice. You nice. It's a lot of things going on in Harlem. I get into my Harlem thing, and I'm shooting my shot. I know that the RP thing had happened. It's a lot of things going on in Harlem you know I get into my Harlem thing and I'm shooting my shot I know that the RP thing that happened it's a lot of things that happen we talking rap we not we talking culture we not talking

rap I'm not dissing you I'm not I listen to both of y'all records both of y'all didn't get disrespectful so yeah right you get what I'm saying he tried that they spun it like I'm that nigga was a diss to hove I'm that nigga had nothing to do with hove a lot of people don't really know the K Slay record you get what I'm that nigga was a dish to Hov. I'm that nigga had nothing to do with Hov. A lot of people don't really know the K Slay record. You get what I'm saying? Rest in peace to Slay. A lot of people don't know it. Rest in peace, K Slay.

But that's what it was really about. Right. You jacking out style. Uh-huh. And that's really it. I know the MC when I see him, and he know one too. And at the end of the day, you know, in order to be the best, you gotta

be the best. He wasn't who he is today. So me, I'm going, I'm on my house. I'm not seeing the politics, but the sad part in the essence was the people got more scared than anything they could

have did. Around. thinking it's going to turn into some street shit? Around. Not even street shit, just scared because you went at home. Now, that made a lot of people not want to touch me. Not because he might not have said nothing. Just because they saying, yo, you crazy. You get what I'm saying? Yes, I do.

And then for him to respond I mean It's another movie It's another movie Before we get to the response Because I want to Keep this going Yes So you sitting there You see the poster

You see the poster In Harlem Yeah And we met him at the light And you met him at the light Right And that And we like all out

All out You ain't RP He like y'all having A good night tonight And he spent time He didn't know it was us Right and we like all out, all out. You ain't RP. He like, y'all having a good night tonight? And then Tata. And he spit it out. He didn't know it was us.

Later on, we got a word saying, he thought we was saying RIP. He didn't know who we was in the truck because you not RP. He told somebody, yo, some niggas was in Harlem saying RIP, but we wasn't. So that's how far, he didn't know, that's the story that we know.

He probably didn't even know it was us because he didn't even get the correlation. We was on one page, he was on another page, right? I'm just giving you the real science. I ain't here to bullshit you. Right? So, as we go further down the line, we just, like I said, at the time, it's the lot. It's vacant lot.

We got Linux all crazy. Everything's going on. I dropped the online. Live on Linux, right? Oh, at the time, it's the lot. It's vacant lot. We got Linux on crazy. Everything's going on. I dropped the online. Live on Linux, right? Oh, come on. You was on the album. I know what you're talking about. Go ahead. Continue. You was on the album, and we cooked up that piece, man. You know? Right. And it was really about what's up. Right. Y'all jacking

out style. Right. That's it. Right. And this is after him and Mace traded the shot, right? Yeah, that's after. So I had a little piece of that, too. I had a little piece of that, too, because that was going on. You know, murder.

Because what did he say? He said, those ain't Rolex diamonds. What the fuck you done with that? All right, so hold up. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out.

Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Hold up. All right, so I just want to do it. You got one? Do I have one? Yeah, I do. I'm taking another shot.

You got one? Yeah, I do. Come on, Blanky Blank. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right, so those ain't Rolex that's an imaginary player. I've got to

change the trajectory. You jumped in very fast. Right I gotta, I gotta change the trajectory. All right. You jumped in very fast. No, right, right, right. So I forget what disc that was based off of. But

so before him and Mino exchanged pleasantries. Yes, Hov and Mino exchanged pleasantries. Him and Mace exchange pleasantries.

Because then you got murder like, yo, all we hear is platinum this, platinum that, platinum this. Nobody got no platinum hits. This is the time where Hov was on his platinum shit. We all know that. Wait, wait. You know what I'm saying? Who's that? Mase?

This is Mase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? So I'm going to go right back into it. Hov goes, yo, niggas talking real greasy on them R&B records. But I'm glad them a million times, nigga. Check the credits. All right?

Pause. Another pause. All right, let's stop it right there. Right? So that was an exchange, right? Okay. You with me? Yeah, I mean, I wasn't involved.

I was outside looking in. I didn't know which shots were shot. Y'all know. But you follow right now? You follow? All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right't know which shots were shot. Y'all know. But you follow right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you follow. So that was before that, right? Yeah, that was before that.

Either way, my story is this. Listen, I saw a hole on my mom's both times. Me, yes. Swear to God, you could ask him. You probably got his number. Of course I do. I saw him both times.

Break up a drink. Okay, let's go. I say, yo. No, no. I ain't say shit. I was at a party at Exit, like somewhere around this time. Yeah, you remember Exit, right? Yeah.

Right? And somewhere else. I think I was with Ray J, and we was at an R. Kelly listening party at the Hit Factory. Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish.

Let me finish. You know Jay-Z got songs. You know he got albums with R. Kelly. Yeah, come on. Let's stop it. All right. Check it out. All right.

So look. So look. Both times, right, I saw a ho, right? He say, yo, your boy came at me. I had to bite him. Swear to God. He didn't even give me a chance to respond. He just walked away, like disappeared.

You know? Yo, yo. Disappeared. Nah, seriously. By the time I looked up, kid was gone. Where? Ask him. Ask him.

Okay. Ask him. Saw him at another party. He like, yo, something along those same lines, but it was about Mace. Or first it was about Mace, and then it was about Mino. Oh, so the first one was about Mace? So I just explained to you how Mace and him was trading shots, right? So I saw him on two different occasions.

Your boy and I had to bite him. He wasn't talking about Mace, he was talking about... I think Mace was first. Okay. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was really trying to backtrack it. Mace was first, right? So he said, yo, your boy came at me.

I had to bite him. Nah, that wasn't about me. That wasn't about Mace. Either way, look. Yo, your boy kicked because he said the same shit the second time. Yeah, yeah. Like, yo, yo, your nigga's violated. You know what the business is.

Right. Like, yeah. And just tapped me on my shoulder and was gone. I want some real Jay-Z shit. Yo, you feel me? Uh-huh. I looked up. I couldn't even respond. I have no response for you right now.

I don't know. But I do know, ask them tomorrow, did this happen? I guarantee you, two times. Look, here's the thing. Okay. It's about the art. I'm into the art. Like I said, I come from battling.

So when I think I'm spinning out of, it's nothing to me. I'm not taking it to that. Because I was young. I was green in the game on that aspect of the impact and what it could be. You know what I'm saying? Because I've seen other battles and people continue and they go on. But when you're dealing with somebody of that power, yeah, it affects a lot of other things. It gives a ripple effect to the people.

And that's what it was more than anybody. I don't think nobody sabotaged me or anything. I just know me doing that affected the way people are going to respond to me moving forward in the game. Well, let me ask you, because, you know, me analyzing your record, you actually never say his name. So, I mean, this is what i'm saying about the art you know this is what he never says your name nah but he say i'm that nigga on the ad in the joint he's playing it's a few it's a few it's a few joints where he talking about me that people don't know when he say i ride g's on my shirt i don't need that but dang he's talking about me

yeah wait what yeah yeah no break yeah, no, break it down. I'm going to break it down, of course I am. Because on this record that I say, I say, what you know about M3s with B-B's, Beef and Broccoli's with the Army Fatigues, Naughty Sweats, Dark C's and White T's, One Leg Up

with the Air Nikes, Dapper Dan, MCM and Gucci, Lotto's, Sergio Tichini. I don't give a fuck. You ain't got it. So when he's saying... I heard that this morning. This ain't no song outfit, Holmes.

Holmes is about it. He's talking to me. Directly. Let's be clear. We're talking real translation. All the smoke. All the smoke. Hold on.

All the smoke. See? Yes, yes, yes. But this is the code. All the smoke. All the smoke. Yes, yes, yes. But this is the code. Okay. See how you looking? I know who you talking to. Damn, I didn't beep that.

Because you know what we doing? We Bluetoothing. Fire. That's hip hop, bro. That's what I'm saying. That's hip hop. We talking on another level of conversation. He know.

Hip hop. And that's how he send back his message to me. If you catch it, you catch it. If you don't, you just. I don't. Oh, come on. I see catch it, you catch it. If you don't, you just... I don't... Oh, come on. Come on. And guess what?

Because they buried... They kind of buried the real song, the diss that you know. So it didn't get the traction. He came back on Bleak's remix. I'm sorry it took me so long. I was on vacation. That's three months later.

I'll never forget the timing. I'm just telling you. I'm going to keep it in mind. I know what's going on. Yeah. That's three months later. I'll never forget the time. I'm just telling you. I'm going to keep it in mind though. I know what's going on. Yeah, that's three months later. But that's, you know, he was playing from a different angle. We don't respect it. But you're going to talk this code language though.

Because if the greatest get at you, what that make you? Let me tell you something. That's what I said. The real response was the response. They always say, watch who your opponent is because you're going to be linked to them for the rest of your life. Yeah, I get it. So if they take you as their opponent, they actually respect you. I know. That's what I understand.

I always tell people. He know what that was. Y'all took it that way. He knew what he had to do with this at this this time because it's real and i know there was people cistern because he was gonna leave it i know the backstory i got people that was in there he was gonna leave it but they kept saying oh nah them guys uptown acting crazy too you might want to respond to this piece it's something going on i know you over here but can see the turf is where it starts at you know i'm saying and And that's where I'm still at.

I never stopped doing music. That's another part of me. The music, I'm really from that. I'm not no, that's why I got the response, because I tapped into the code. The code of this thing here. And he had to say, okay, I heard you, young fella. I got to bite you, though. Respect.

It's a lot of honor. It's a lot of honor in that. It's a lot of honor it's a lot of honor in that one of your close friends is going at one of your one of my idols yeah no bro it's a blood sport this is gladiator I wasn't ready I wasn't ready

but so no this is a blood sport it's gladiator but we're about niggas keep, I hate how we get prisoner of the moment. So now all our minds for the last fucking four years is Instagram. Like we never lived before fucking, just for example, I'm just playing with it. You know what I'm saying? So, bro, this is gladiator sport, man. These niggas is MCs. I think that's right.

I like that. I salute that. I honor it think that's they they they i like that i salute that i honor there's a lot of honor in that that's what i'm saying how did you feel i mean personally knowing like so i come from my two sides where i come from like being in certain meetings and then them right i just know i'm not even talking about i'm just talking about in general certain things you do they finish you not even one about in general. Certain things you do, they'll finish you. One person's mindset is this is literally a battle. Some others seem to be like, you know what?

Don't play this shit no more. I've seen I ain't going to say that. You know what? I'm playing no more. So it's just like, you got to pick and choose your battle. Of course. And that's what I'm talking about. When he did it, I'm like, you know, you got to pick and choose your battle. Of course. And that's what I'm talking about.

So when he did it, I'm like, you know what? I don't think this is a good idea, yo. Right. No, no, perfect. I'm talking about how you feel. No, no, because it didn't really make sense. You know what I'm saying? Because it's just like.

Like the risk report of it. Yeah, because you got Mace. And the thing is about, like, the whole, when Mace, the Mace and Jay thing, that stems back from, like, Big L. Right? So, Children of the Corn, the reason why Children of the Corn didn't really go to, or was supposed to go to, is because Jay came

to Harlem and battled Big L. I don't know if you know about that story. They don't know about that fucking battle. The thing is, a lot of people hear stories, but they don't hear from the person. Big L was just like, yo, nigga, Jay came over to town. Like I said, me and Big L, we all cool. He came over to town

and was just like, yo. Jay was just like, yo, you want it? Big L was like, you cool, nigga, do you want it? He was like, yeah, so they battled dude? Nigga, do you want it? Right? So he like, yeah, so they battle. The next day, L telling the story, he like, yo, this nigga Jay-Z is the best thing in the world. Big L saying that?

Big L. After they battle? Really? Yo, the best thing in the world. I've never, so me, like I said, I'm better than Kevin Mays. Yo, the way he said this, he said that. Now, this is proof. He put...

So, Babita was a real big thing. Babita was the first... Stretching Babita? Stretching Babita. She came at one o'clock in the morning once a week. And he took...

He took... Miguel took Mase, Cam, Bloodshed, Gruff. Next time, he took Jay-Z. So, niggas is just like, yeah, look at your face. Big L. That's right.

I do remember that. Big L. I didn't know Big L that's right I do remember that Big L I didn't know I didn't know Big L took him after they went together okay that's ill because if you listen

to my beat they be like your man can spit but if you listen to it nigga that's not even I don't even think

that's even a beat so at the end of the day it's just like yo how you take this nigga so that's when the whole

Jay that whole thing started brewing and then Big put jay on his album and then put mace on his album so where oh jay's on his album yeah yeah yeah yeah and um was eight is enough and for mason for cam on it but not mace so that's what i was saying earlier first day was rapping with each other then mace just the he just bodied out just slow i so that's what i was saying earlier first they was rapping with each other then mace just the he just bodied out just slow i think that's a conspiracy no it's it's no it's i think remember we young we ain't everything we don't know conspiracy

mean at this time we just got it yeah and wasn't elizabeth signed a rockefeller at a point that's no he was right before he got killed yeah yeah, he was. Yeah, so when I see him. It was flamboyant, though. That was his impact. That was his shit, but he was taking that with him. But when he took Jada by beat, though, the niggas felt a certain way. You know what I'm saying? So that's when I was just like, they kind of ran.

So I was just like, yo, how you take this nigga and we rapping with you? You know what I mean? So that was, so that's how that like, the whole Jay thing and then Imaginary Players. Jay and Mase thing you said. Yeah, so Imaginary Players.

What was it? Yeah. That was the work of Davis. 22-2. No, Clark Essos. Oh, Essos, yeah. So Kuda had, I don't remember,

Kuda had a Hummer. He had a yellow Hummer or Mika's or whatever, right? So we go don't know if you remember, Kuda had a Hummer. He had a yellow Hummer or Mika or whatever, right? So, we go there. Jay, you know, freestyle about this time. Mace is hot. I mean, one song, only you. So, Jay doing his little freestyle, whatever. He had to watch.

Mace, I think, I don't know if Mace said it on a Jinx chance or whatever. No, he said it on a Mika. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That nigga's got a new genre. That's what you here for. No, he said, I mean, that's where I'm getting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you're here for. Yeah, all right, so when he say, damn

playboy, where the fuck is the hummer at? I could be wrong. That's a lot in your windows. No, I don't like to speculate. I'm just So he's like, yo, damn playboy, where the fuck is the Hummer at We pulled up and a yellow Hummer Those ain't Rolex diamonds

The fuck you done it at They just had like a watch But at this time This thing makes us hotter You know one thing about Harlem You care about two things How much money, how much bitches you fuck At that point

Nobody fucking with that. You know, that's his dad. So, that's how imaginary play is. All right. To me, I mean,

that's how. No, no, you're right. You're accurate. I could be wrong. So, at the end,

so as Jay started rising to the top, basically like, yo, why they like this nigga? he ain't doing no numbers. Even, I don't know, see, I don't know. So, even when I don't know if he's going to the top, they just feel like, yo, why they like this nigga? he ain't doing no numbers. Even, I don't know,

see, I don't know, so even, I don't know if C's gonna remember this, when he did the joint for, for C's album, C's and I played it, the first thing they said was,

man, that nigga don't sell. I don't know if you remember that shit. And yo, he said that, what? He like, so,

did she do it for C's album? Yeah, but what did he say? He was like, what what did he say? He was like... What did Mase say? Mase said, that nigga don't sell. The thing is about certain niggas, even me included, numbers people. We just numbers guys.

If you ain't selling, you ain't hot. That's just reality of, you know, pretty much of the business. So, after that, so when he did Ride or Die, Stevie, you know Stevie J did the beat, right? Hold on. Perfect, perfect. Yo, hold on, Blake. I got you. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Let's listen. Because he needs to hear this. Go ahead. You know what I'm saying? So when he did Ride, we had a studio session. And Cardi brought the song. Listen, hold on. No, right?

Cardi stole the song and brought it. What, Stevie? Yeah. No, listen. Listen to what I'm telling y'all. Check it out. Check it out. Hold on.

Time out. Stop. You can tell him to stay. That's a bad saying. That's an aggressive word. No, no, no. That's an aggressive word. Go ahead.

Check it out. So listen. Go ahead, buddy. Yo, perfect. Yo, Blake, you don't even know how good Greg is. No, let me say this. Hold on. Hold on, because he knows this.

But he don't know. What we is the audience. Let's go. Call it. So nobody knows what I'm saying. Go ahead, Blink. When Stevie J made the beat, he was in the hit factor. In the hit factor, you had to push him to go upstairs.

Yes. Be like, yo, Blink, Jay just left. Go upstairs, and he plays it. I'm like, all right, this shit hot. And then he says, the credit shit,

you always number two, probably made more albums than you. So I'm thinking, I'm like, oh, shit. Cheat on you. I'm like, you'll play that shit again?

Now, mind you, Stevie J This is why the whole Check your own videos You always mean the Yeah I want to But I probably made more Album of the record than you

So I'm putting so I'm like yo Stevie Yo play that shit again Played it again So I leave Because I'm just like Yo Stevie We just literally

Just left you And dad damn Can't say dad You know We just left you And Puff Studio Like so Mase felt it somewhere about that.

I was like, yo, how you going to do a diss record? Wait, Stevie J produced it? Produced it. Yeah. Now I'm understanding what you're saying. Listen, let me give you the middle. Let me just give him the middle piece of the puzzle. I like all pieces of the puzzle.

Let me just give it real quick. Let me make your shit make sense, right? Look, so in the middle of that, right, I'm doing my album, right? Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's do my album, right? I mean, y'all hit me with some shit. No, no, no.

The shot's right here, man. This is by... This is the time. This is the time. Salud. Right? So this is the time. Come on.

No, no, no. Okay, okay, okay. Come on. Come on, nigga. Come on, nigga. Salud. Salud. So Mase lays a verse for me, right, on the album that I'm doing at Penalty.

And he's like, yo, so look, this is where your shit gonna make sense. Mase is like, damn, Playboy, fuck is your home at? I'm looking at the sound scan. Where your numbers at? Then I go get the billboard. I don't see none of that. If ain't top 25, I ain't looking none of that. Now, this is for the niggas that didn't believe in Mase, scared to see me drop.

Couldn't wait to see me age platinum in two weeks. look at your face all right so he this is this is all of this response yeah this is this is this is the response yeah yeah kind of indirectly right because nobody says nobody's name you think my with a ton in my wrist you think my don't know what like this my guns don't miss and y'all don't want none of this if these ain't rolex diamonds then what the i done of this right i Right? I'm going to stop right there, right? That Mace said that back? Huh? Mace said that back? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is on my shit, Thomas Money.

But Clue Enduro is the producer. Right? So this is where Hov says, yo, Mace said he laid a whole nother verse. Right? Just because he laid a whole nother verse, right? Just because he just laid the whole nother verse, right? Clue hears it.

Clue and Daryl hears it. Yes, right? So they had options. They had options. Verse options. Right. But either way, Clue was there when he laid this verse. Right.

So he hears it. Long story short, that verse gets deleted. So this is where it picking back up where blink is he's like yo making little takes to keep it a secret yeah because i kicked that sheet that i don't know like listen in that week but yo to tie it back full circle yeah we gotta really give it up for the back and forth hip-hop I'm going to take allegedly put. Okay. So, Clue winning told him that he made a… Allegedly. Listen, either way, you know, look.

This is gladiator. This ain't petty, like, let's be mad at each other, goofy shit. Right. This is like, nigga, I'm the dopest. Right. You think you are? Right. Nigga, I'll whip him, man. You remember how niggas, niggas say, yo, man, I'll whip him, man.

You know how niggas used to talk in the 70s? Man, I'll whip him, man. Like, the boxing niggas, bro. This is what it's about. Yeah. Let's compete peacefully. Okay, so Hove knows

that he does that. So then what's the next step after that? After what? After, I mean, you said he did... He did Rida. That song?

He did Rida with Stevie. And this is all around the time where, where you know Mase is kind of like Rida Dye is imaginary Rida Dye is when he's saying the crazy shit is imaginary players we go one week the next week I could be wrong like I said I always said but the nigga is saying

the verse and we we used to go there all the time. It was like Maria Davis shit. And Jay would go all the time. If you watch 222s, like whatever, he would go there all the time. So all I remember is him saying the verse there. And then, I don't know if Cease wasn't there, but we go see Biggie in the hospital, right? So it was me, Black Fred, Cuda, and Mace.

This is when Cease crashed the truck. He's like, yo. To little Cease cripple me. Yo, so he like, so Mace like, yo, like, yo, like, what's up with this nigga Jay? Yo, Mace don't fuck with Dane. He ain't fuck with Dane. But he like, yo, like, we go to S.O.S. And this nigga like, yo, I like Jay.

Like, what's up with him? Because he literally said, like I said, imagine he plays the next week. Oh, he said it at my real Davis. Yeah, like that was like an old rhyme just because it was, then where the fuck is the hum at? So we looking like, where's all the ice in? Those ain't Rolex diamonds. What the fuck you done it at? So Mase had like a watch. And we looking.

But Mase, I mean, like Mase, he really fucked with me. You know, like he really, he was just like, yo, this thing ain't that. He like, you're missing it. Only person, he was like, this thing ain't that. DMX to everybody, I think, was a problem. DMX was like a problem. At the end of the day, we talk about people that's nice.

We talk about rap. We ain't talking about what they doing now, the youngins. Bang, bang, shoot them up. No. This is how nice is your pen. We from that school.

You know what I'm saying? That's why when we talked about the R earlier, it's more about what can you say? How slick can you? What kind of code can you put it in?

More than anything. Now, the politics, like we say, some of the politics that kick in that's a little different but for us all that even that banter between them guys right it's pin game more than anything yeah so let me ask you because guys are hot um things is happening you drop this J quote-unquote this but that's not really a diss because there's no names being mentioned then this is my right money right drop drops a new I always wanted Pac to diss me. I was so mad. He's mad disappointed.

I was so mad. He dissed Mobb Deep. I was like, that's our record. That was our record. It was a CNN record. L.A. L.A. is a CNN record. That shit is not a Mobb Deep record. But it was promoted to the DJs as Mobb Deep record.

You know that, right? They didn't know who the fuck we were. I got the letter that says Mobb Deep. Yeah, Do you know that, right? Because they didn't know who the fuck we were. I know, because I got the label as Mobb Deep. Yeah, that's fucked up. You brought it full circle again. Wow, what happened? It's an honor to be... So, yeah.

So, I always kind of like when, you know, I remember we were shooting the L.A. L.A. video. Prodigy didn't want to be a part of it. The night before. Hit him up drops. The next day, Prodigy is in the video. Right. I'm a part of it now. Right.

This is the biggest guy. Uh huh. Maybe not as big. Of course. But he's on to come up. And everyone kind of feels that. He actually responds to you. Crazy.

It was a hot summer day. Was it 4.15? What time was it? It was a hot summer day. So hold on, hold on. Because I need to understand your point of view, your vision, right? Because still, there's a possibility you could say, I wasn't talking about him.

But there's two things that correlated you right to that scene of the crime. Okay, let's talk. Is you got shot out of a cannon. Uh-huh. Right? Uh-huh. Okay, let's talk. Is, they got shot out of a cannon. Uh-huh. Right? Uh-huh. And then he was like, it's not about Brooklyn and Harlem.

Uh-huh. Right. Because I kept analyzing your diss this morning, and I analyzed his diss, and I'm like, both of y'all are geniuses, right? But see, you're saying this morning, at the time. At the time. You're correct. You're correct. You're correct.

Okay. So that's why I'm asking you. That's what you got to understand. At the time. Tell me time. You're correct. You're correct. Okay. So that's why I'm asking you. That's what you got to understand. At the time. Tell me at the time, bro. That's a different man for me. Okay. Okay.

Yes. At the time, the lot is the lot. We got the hood. Right. We got the big businesses outside. We doing what we do. We knew we took a big shot. Right.

Right. But understanding that in the large scale, still a lot of people don't know me. The effect is on the hood more than nationwide. As you can look at it now and say, oh, no, it wasn't like that. Because I'm just a little guy. I'm fresh off Harlem World, so I got my thing. But that's hoes, right? So on the national, niggas like, who is he talking to?

Right. Really? We knew. So like I say, the hood affected it more than the world. I know what he's saying. And he put it on a national scale. Right. So the effect was heavy in the hood.

It's micro versus macro. Right. You get what I'm saying? For us. And he also said something about pushing over your rover. You got him mad by talking about pushing over your rover. And let's get this on record.

I was never shot out of a cannon. Nace was. Nace was. I'm just saying. See, we got to talk for real. We talking about the ball. We talking about the ball. That's not me. Let's be serious.

Let's be serious. I would never be set up to be shot out of a cannon. Mace would never come to me and say, shot out of a cannon. I'm just saying. So I'm just saying how strong the words and the politics can be of it to make someone, and that's where I had to understand the game. Yes. I ain't going to lie, Slam. I thought I saw you getting got. No, you never did. Stop it. No, no, no. That was next. someone and that's where I began to understand the power of the game.

Like I said, I was green to that part. So now somebody. So why you ain't just say, that wasn't me? What you mean? Like, I wasn't the one. You wanted to make a whole different thing. Nah, I'm fucking with you. You know what, for me though, as an MC, let's talk about that feeling.

Me. I touched him. Because we talking about that. I'm from that. I'm from where I'm knocking on your door at. I'm just saying. So for me, I was strong on rap shit. I was a little green to the, I'm just being 100 with my tribe.

I don't give a, I shoot, I shoot. I'm a shooter. And I'm still a shooter right now. I'm still top five in Harlem right now. Me, no. Pin game insane. So I really a shooter. You got it. And I'm still a shooter right now. Right, that's fine. I'm still top five in Harlem right now. That's right. Pin game insane. So I really do that. So when we talking that, at the time, of course, we can have the big answer now.

Right. We mastered it. But then, it's up. What do you mean? Pow. That's all. That's all. That's all.

That's all I'm saying. You get it? So, all right. Because, again, I always, like I said, I always, L.A. L.A. was literally a record that I heard in, it was my franchise was on something called a DJ list. So they had the record two months early. So I always wanted that.

Like, I always wanted the response to be towards us because that was our idea me, Capone Trash I never got that you actually got that what I was asking for do you think that was worth it? oh now?

no, cause I had a hot record the single I'm That Nigga it's what he's talking about in the disc I. The single, I'm That Nigga, is what he's talking about in the disc. I'm That Nigga. I'm That Nigga had nothing to do with him. Nah, he ain't nothing. Yeah, because that's too...

You're saying it wasn't worth it? No, at this point, no, for my hip-hop, for my stripes, I'm taking that. I'm different from that, yeah, because I'm a warrior. You would do it again. If I know what I know now and remember. Take it back. You got to go now.

You got to go now. You got to go now. Morally. You got to go now. No, right. You get what I'm saying? I was saying no. It wasn't worth it.

It wasn't worth it. No, but see, we talking about. How would you go? I'm saying if you ask me now. You're going to take a shot. If I'm him and you asking me that, I might go morally just for the sake of being here. So the person can hear that. Was it worth it?

Yes. Look, y'all. No, no, no. So hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. I'm listening. I'm saying, listen, bro, there's so many ways to slice it.

You can go two plus eight is ten. You can go five plus five. Two things can be right at once. Right? So two things can be right at once. You can be right at the same time. I got a brain fart real quick. Hold on.

Give me your thoughts. How does a computer and a phone get drunk? I don't know. I don't know. What? Tell me. They take screenshots. They take screenshots.

Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Come on. You got to take a shot. You got to take a shot. You got to take a shot. I can't get to you. I forgot which one of y'all called.

Go ahead. When you talk about rap, right, it's a competitive sport. You know what I'm saying? And again, I was looking at it from that. I know it was a big shot. I'm not even thinking what it matter when you're talking rap. You get it? But now when you say, oh, well, we talking business because we was green.

No. Strategically, no. That was a bad move. But when I, from the perspective i was at that moment that time for me i felt like i lyrically we could go back and forth and then everybody move on forward in their career right but the people like i said more than anything shied away that's how this specifically like like affect your business like oh i mean we need some more clarity because i feel like you guys are talking amongst each other. You get blackballed.

Just for instance, we can't allegedly, right? But here's the thing. Just grand scheme everything, right? Because it's all the fucking grand scheme. Yo, you could get blackballed. You know what I'm saying?

There's so many layers to the shit, right? But you can't. The thing is, you can't get blackballed if you got a body of work. You know what I'm saying? You're saying it was too out got a body of work. You know what I'm saying? You're saying it was too out the gate to do it?

If Nas and Jay go out. I was green. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. No, no, no. I was green in the position. Yeah. Right?

Because that's what we're talking about. Because when you're talking about power, you got to be who's in position. Because we can both do the same thing at the same level, but it's still going to be a choice that has to be made because it's a power structure. Us being young and not understanding that this shit work like that. We working at it from a street angle. Yeah. What we got on the turf. It's an industry to this shit.

Yeah. It's a it's a it's an inner workings to this. So sometimes what you have here don't weigh the same over here. Right. So not understanding that you can make don't weigh the same over here. Right. So not understanding that, you can make a bad move. Yeah. That's it. And you only see the loss.

Hold on real quick. Let me ask, because like I said, Bleak is my man. And I often ask him, like, you know, Jay had jumped in for him. Did you feel like Mace should have jumped in for you no no that had nothing at this time murder had retired yeah why do you think jay jumped in for me i mean that's that's that was his remix that wasn't he just he just got the record Bleak up? No, no, no. I'm talking about Jay with Nas. When Bleak went at Nas, Jay kind of took up for him. Bleak went at Nas, okay. Yeah, I'm talking about a totally different situation.

I'm not talking about y'all. But you know, Bleak was subbing me on that same record too with Jay, which bullshit smashed it. I thought you was talking about. I thought you was talking about the diss to Tamino. I thought you was saying Jay took up for Bleak in that. No, no, no. I'm talking about this is a totally

different situation. My bad. My bad. Bleak was coming at me too with your bullshit. Smash it, get your little smashed in. On the record. That's the same record. And y'all was supposed to battle, right? You and Bleak? Nah, you know what?

You know what I'm saying? Yo, listen. It wasn't so pretty you know when he said my name i saw him at the freaking beyonce concert yes and we took a picture we laughing at all that right right right mad cool mad you know mad cool mad funny all that and the thing was he was just like yo i don't even know why i think that's why i mentioned job out the road ratchet because at that time, I mean, let's not, Ja, we was smoking hot.

I mean, let's just, I mean, let's just, and he was just like, yo, I was like, why y'all say my name? But we laughing, like, I'm not a real, like, I don't take shit that seriously. We, you know what I'm saying? He's like, yo, I don't even know why he says your name. No, what happened was, I think it's South Beach shit.

Like, I think when he fell or whatever. Remember when he fell? You said bling because I hope he fell off the... Remember on the... It's the bad stories that have been told on here that both of y'all have forgot. Yeah. No, I don't know. I'm just saying y'all know.

It's the bad stories that have been told. So, Norris. So, listen. Remember he was just like, I don't know me. All I know is Blinky Blink Because in South Beach I fell on a scooter And all other stuff You don't remember

It's fine I seen it from his His post You don't know me Exactly So we never They just said that shit In a limo On backstage I ain't really So we ain't never said that shit in a limo

On backstage I ain't really So we ain't never battled We Y'all supposed to battle though We don't supposed to go What do you think No no no

No no no no no no no What happened was In South Beach Beanie I don't know if he was there Nah I wasn't there He wasn't there He was rhyming with Greason

I wasn't there So I he was rhyming with Greason. He was rhyming with Greason. I wasn't there. So I pulled up, and Bleak pulled up. Bleak, Bleaky Blink. Yeah, so Beanie was rapping with Sleep. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Somebody from the lot. Yeah, somebody from the lot.

So I pulled up, and Bleak, you know, Brooklyn niggas, Harlem niggas, this is always. Yeah, you can't stand each other. Yo, my nigga, yo, when I argue with Brooklyn niggas all the time, it's just ridiculous. So he just come out the car, yo, what's good, what's good? We're like, what's good, what's good? I'm like, what's good, what's good? And then, I don't know, we just all like walked off.

It wasn't like really no big deal, but we never was like bad or anything like that. They just said that shit like in a limo. But it is all cool. That's my man. I mean, y'all seen each other at a Beyonce concert. Yo,

we laughed. The thing is, so, I'm in an area, and he walked by, I'm like, all right, we still want to battle,

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We flicked it up, and now he mad cool. He mad cool. Goddamn. He's a good man. He's a good nigga. He's a good nigga. But one more time. He flicked it up and now he mad cool. He mad cool. He a good nigga. He a good nigga. He a good nigga. But one more time. Yeah, come on.

This is what I'm here for. Let me say this, he deserves, he be like, yo. I got the hands. See, go ahead, I'll let you go. Then I maybe, I'll go. No, no, no, you can finish. As we talk about that thing, that's a big stain for me, right?

Yeah. But I never stop working. This is what people, a lot of people don't understand about me. You know what I really am musically and what I continue to do. So I just want to say, I'm just appreciate that we can have this conversation. Yeah. And I'm still be active. Shout out to my man, Celine.

Cool food. That's coming soon. I'm working with a lot of the youngins in my hood. It's big in Harlem still because I rep that thing. I don't mind. Also, it inspires me. Come on. This is my guy. I'm like the Billy goat. I mean, yeah. You're talking goats. This is the Billy.

Just for the record. That is the Billy. You feel what I'm saying? And that's how that's the town we from. You see how that just happened? Yeah. That dynamic there? Yeah. If Hov would be right there, right there. and we finish this interview, what would something you would say to him? You understood what that was, right? He could be like, yep.

I appreciated it, too, because it was that. I believe that's how the conversation would go. You want me to tell you something? I believe that. I have a thing that I've been saying for years. A lot of my people know. I say, Hov got a check for me. Yeah. You. I believe that. I have a thing that I've been saying for years. A lot of my people know. I say, Hov got a check for me.

Yeah. You know I say that? No, just listen to me. You went too far. You went too far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no.

You're missing it. You're missing it. You fell too short. I don't know. That's how I'm missing it. You fell too short. Yeah, you are. No, man,

because I'm a realistic person. You're missing it. Y'all forgetting the honor and gladiator. That's what I'm trying to tell you. There's honor. I keep saying that. Say that. It's because of what you just said and the answer I gave you.

You know what that was. So I know that he understood and understands that it wasn't what a people may have made it. You know, it was the art of the thing. Not actually actually he gonna write me a check. No, it's in metaphorically like That's why he responded no imagine sparring with a nigga right that nigga help you be the goat You be like yo that nigga help me be the goat you want to eat you feel me? No matter what part of time that nigga helps you be the goat. You feel me? No matter what part of time, that nigga hopes you be the goat. Like, for real. It's just a gladiator thing, bro.

Put a G on my shirt, I don't need that, but damn. That's one of the big lines. See, that's what I'm saying. How deep that thing is. Oh, that's crazy. So, it's honor amongst the real artists. It's honor in that.

For me, I stand on that as the thing. Because I'm really from the Rakim school. Like, I really, the art of the music. So the code, the words. Fuck the politics. For me, I wasn't smart enough to be on top of the politics at that time. And, you know, of course, I understand now. I can give every perfect answer now.

Who can't give the perfect answer 20 years later? That's real. That's real. That's real. Like they had no real answer. That's real. Come on. That's real.

That's real. Yes. You get what I'm saying? And that's where I'm at. Hold on, hold on. Can I give you something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I give you something?

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And he would grease. So it was just like, we all had to try to. He went from, hey, I'm going here. He already had, like, he already had. The thing is, he came to Harlem, but Vacant Lot was already in the mix. He said, let me do this first, and then come there second. And everybody, you know what I'm saying?

Let me ask you something. If, what would've happened if your plan would've fully, fully worked? Well, the thing was this, back to the music part of it, right? I had the single, I'm That Nigga from

Vague and Lot, right? So that record in itself, we had a tough time with that situation. Shout out to Grease and my man Rockhouse2. This record? No, that's where the record came from. That was our play, you know what I'm saying? I had got the single deal with Vague and Lot, and we had the album

coming out live on Linux. And V a lot slash prior which made it tough for us there was a west coast again us being youngins and i'm saying greece pay homage to the boss he made a play he turned down not being the rough rider straight producer that's how we get swiss being the number one producer if we want to really put it on the record, Grease said, now I want to catch my own label deal, so they pushed the nephew. You know what I'm saying? Grease got 11 joints on the first DMX album.

That's the source of it. You get what I'm saying? But he chose to take a live on Linux and have his own deal. Invest in the hood, bring his brothers. You get what I'm saying? Which sometimes it's a good move,

but it hurts. It's only bad until it's bad. If this goes right, that's a great question. That's all. If this goes right, it's only bad

until it's bad. So the chances we've taken and when you out there, it's up. And a loss is good because you get another opportunity to do it better. People don't know math. It's never done until it's done. It's never done until it's done.

Yeah. Until it's done. And we still live. You see us? Thank you, North. Thank you for having us. Let's go. Let's go.

Let me ask you. This might be a stupid question, but as much as Dame is, he's Harlem. Did he ever communicate during this situation? What you mean? No, Dame Dash.

Dame Dash, sorry. No, that was tension because see, it's another layer. It's a lot of turf stuff that's going on. You know, the streets You mean back then or I'm sorry,

I'm going to cut you off. Back during this situation because I just Wait, wait, wait. Dame Dash. Dame Dash. But articulate it a little mean back then or I'm sorry, I'm going to cut you off. Back then, during this situation because I just Wait, wait, wait. Dang, Dash. Dang, Dash. No, but articulate a little bit better.

What about I'm just saying because to the outsiders looking in, he's just so Harlem, right? Uh-huh. And just seeing the situation, you would think that

he cares about what Harlem thinks about But he had his own set-up. Oh, yeah, his lawyer. But no, but he But he had his own set-up. His first artist was

Jay-Z. Right, right, right. But I'm just saying, he had a loyalty to a certain amount of people from his Harlem side. So that was where he was doing that. You know, it be like that. If you from that neighborhood, he's taking care of what he was doing. So it was kind of a, he never came to politic about it. Right.

Because at the time, he was this man. He was whole. Yo, bro. You get what i'm saying i don't know what the general consensus on dame is but bro we all have talents we all smart and we all good at certain things right get what i'm saying i just i feel like we should let each other flourish and where we're good at right and support that and that's it man there's no wrong there's only but sometimes i think that you gotta like plan things you know i mean like every you know i remember cardi told me that people don't fail to plan it was what you told me one day you never fail to plan with how does that saying go

you never fail to plan either way yeah so i mean because you know certain like certain things you can like avoid you know what i mean because life is hard man you know, like certain things you can like avoid, you know what I mean? Because life is hard, man. You know, one mistake will cost you everything, you know what I mean? So my mentality, the way I think is, all right, let's just aid it. I don't look, you can't look at the tree, you got to look at the forest. You know what I mean? I'm not talking about, I'm just saying in general Like this move Because The industry

Is like Going from like Being in meetings And like Being around Their mindset How we talk They ain't thinking that shit

You know what I'm saying? They're not thinking Well you know like We could talk With all the culture They're thinking like Well If he does this here

How is this How are we going to get Marketing here You know what I mean? So we just like, it's always two sides to everything. You got to always like, but that's just really studying and learning and being patient

with like the game or pretty much like whatever you're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's years later though. Hindsight is always funny So, but you but like you said right yo if pop would have said yo fuck CNN you'd be like yo, yeah You know what? That's the reason why I was my bad for cutting you off

But this reason why I was so in depth with it, because that's something I wanted, but that's something I was ready for. I don't know if I was ready for it. I wanted it, but I don't know if I was ready for it. So I'm asking you because you wanted it, but were you ready for it? Yeah, I wanted rap smoke. You wanted rap smoke. Why not?

So how you told me? We know what he's talking about. So The effects The effects that I think What you about to say If he didn't Yeah What's he say

Because the thing is I remember Hearing it on the radio He like Sorry I didn't get back to you niggas Crazy And I'm like But that's crazy

My thing is How about If he Right Yeah You heard it on the radio. Yeah. You knew.

Yeah. No. The nigga in the BX really didn't know. No, no, no, no, you're right. It's just another dope Jay-Z verse. When he said, when he said, to shoot you out the cabin, everyone assumed you were the one out the cabin. But who's everyone? Who's everyone?

You're also an insider to everyone. Yeah, I'm an insider to a degree. Yeah, who's everyone? I know you're not talking about Nicholas and Idaho. No, no, no. Look, look, look. He don't know what the fuck is going on.

He don't know what's going on. My diss was on K. Slate's street sweeper. He put that on Hot 9. And your sister JZ diss. He put it on Hot 9. And your sister JZ Diss. He put it on Hot 9. Was that K Slay? That's JZ Diss? It was labeled JZ Diss.

That's a good question. His was not. Let's ask him. Was it labeled JZ Diss? No. Did K Slay do that? It was on Street Sweeper. The one with Poe on it.

The ill one. That was the first time they heard from poland all these years he mixed that in and slid the song in there wow you know what i'm saying it was he was kind of nervous i believe it was a big shot kate slay was nervous i think so it was a big shot he was drama king so he was with the shit yeah but this is like the second or third time I believe he did something like... He hadn't even got to Drama King. Like Risky or Risky Against Her? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He hadn't even got to Drama King. Okay, okay, okay.

He was still Street Sweeper. That's on the Street Sweeper. This was a little before Drama King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These right here made him Drama King. You got to know. I agree. I agree.

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I agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are real. All right, all right. This is the fucking roots of the game. You get what I'm saying? We are all coming up.

You got to understand the lot, vacant lot. We're going against, as an entity. We're going against Murder, Inc. Well, there's no limit on our labor. There's probably a priority. You know, no limit was there. Yeah. Murder, Inc. Rockefeller. Yeah. And we got to haul them out. Little 50 some blocks. Yeah. We got to fight. Grease run the industry with the beats. He just did DMX. You know what I'm saying? We running wild on our 50-something blocks. So understand the mindset

of these young niggas. 24, 25. Let's not put this to perfect time. We cannot beat the best. In order to be the best, you got to beat the best. In order to be the best, you got to beat the best.

And we talking live on Linux. You got to beat the champion. Or sometimes you get to play with the best. And then it makes you the best. Or you can play yourself, like Khaled was saying. You get what I'm saying? But either way. I'm taking another shot. Another shot.

I never really knew the whole. See? whole like, you know what I mean? See, it's no, it's no, it's no, in the grand scheme, it was a bad move rap-wise, you know what I'm saying? But for me, listen, I'm just saying, when you looking now, I'm not, that's why I can speak in two perspectives. That's all I'm trying to let everybody understand. It really comes down to that, you know, it really comes down to two perspectives. Two perspectives. I respect that.

It really does. At that day, it's like, you a rapper, I'm a rapper. I get it, you a little bigger. Give a fuck, I go. I know I go. But hold on. Besides. You're already trying to try to like.

No, no, let me ask. Let me ask because we know, we know, we know that you said the one leg up, the bit least, looking like rich. Yeah, let me ask. Let me ask because we know that you said the one leg up, the Bentley, looking like Rich. Yeah, it's that. But really was it that or really was it was? Let me take a chance to take off. No, I wasn't planning on that beat. I had I'm That Nigga out, the record that still bang.

All right, but hold on. What I'm saying is, are you? Was it anger? No. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Was it anger? He's correct. Did you feel a way about it? No, no, no. Was it anger? what I'm asking. Was it anger? He's correct. You feel a way about it.

No, no, no. Was it anger? Did you feel a way about it? I thought, yo, this nigga doing too much. Not now. See, he put out 10 records. Didn't do it. That's how he felt.

You can't just do. I'm just trying to tell you. I mean, I get it. Like I said. Okay, that's how you felt. He's clear now. He's clear now. The real question is, was it anger? No, no. I'm like, you're really... The real question is, was it anger?

No, no, I'm not gonna hurt you. The real question is, was it anger? I'm like, no, no, nothing about anger. I'm like, my nigga like, aight. He smashed your girl in there, right? Fuck no. All right, my bad. I mean, that's petty.

All right, my bad. I just got to ask. You got to understand, it got to be like a deeper root. No, it's not. That's what I thought. So that's what I thought. That's not always the answer. That's not always the answer. You can't do something to somebody for no reason.

It gotta be like this. No, no, no, no, no. That shit is layered. That shit is layered. We make decisions. That shit is layered, bro. Listen, you can't just say, no, you can't. Bro, he could just he could

have just been like being no no he might not have nothing like i said i heard it that's how you feel that's what i'm talking everybody got like i said how everybody had a massive because i mean under the day it's holland well once it goes from here it goes up yo wait what's up with me though it go to who like no i'm saying we holland no know what I'm saying? We're hollering. Listen to what I'm saying. Nah, hollering is over. We're left. Hold up. Time out.

We're about to have a fucking time out. No, no. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. You can't say how he felt, man. Honestly, when I finished how you felt.

No, no, left because regardless of what he did, it was through Mase. That's just the reality of it. So what I'm saying is when you do something, if I do something, call you son, anybody, part of the group, everybody's going to say,

like, what? It's your relative. It affects the whole group. It's just like, so I want to be like, well, I was just like, I don't,

I don't, you know, I don't know why. That's cool, bro. No, this is my, this is my nigga, you know what I'm saying? But in the days, it's like, if I, like I said, I've done a lot of dumb shit. This is my nigga, you know what I'm saying? But in the days, it's like, like I said, I've done a lot of dumb shit.

Mino told me, listen, I needed to drink a little long because trust me, I'm the worst of the worst. I do all types of shit. But at the end of the day, they're going to come to Mino because like I said, a lot of people know me. This nigga know me. You know what I'm saying? This nigga know me. Him and Garbo and Domo. So he know me.

So it he just like It gotta be like I don't know why he did it You know what I'm saying Sometimes there's no wrong answer You know There's no wrong answer No

No seriously Two things can be right At the same time That's right Sometimes there's no Listen Let's simplify everything He said yo

Why is your name Blink Blink said I Blink The conversation done Yo Now seriously At the time Two things can be right at once. We have to stop worrying about who's right and who's wrong. No, but there's a reason.

Seriously. No, but here's the deal, right? There's a reason to be wrong. Hear it, right? Because what I'm hearing from you is what you did affected the whole group, right? No, no, no. Or what anybody does affect the whole group. It affected the fact that, like,

yo, like, the question is, like, why? Like, what did he actually do to you specifically? That's why you asking, did he fuck your girl? I'm trying to tell y'all it was energy, right? It's Big Harlem Energy. It's a movie going on

in our town. But from the Harlem nigga, because Dane was the dude that was filming that movie. Yeah, but that's Dane, man. Shouldn't he have that pass? That's Dane, man. I'm talking, see, that's why I'm trying to tell you it's rap. That's why I keep trying to say.

Can't it be as simple as you making the bridges over if your care is worth it? Hey, man. This is what I'm trying to say. If the bridges over doesn't work, it's never the bridges over. We don't talk about it anymore. Exactly. the bridge is over if you're cares hey man yeah that's what i'm trying to say everything is so when you look back on it no seriously if that works we having a different conversation because remember cares one was the underdog at that time. Yes. All right. No, he don't like that.

He wasn't the underdog. All of your mistakes, essentially, every choice that you make that goes wrong, if it goes right, it's a different conversation. Right. It's a gamble. Yes. That's what we keep trying to say. So the thing that happened was we had the record. I'm mad nigga after that. Of course, people shot away from that. It was a happened was we had the record. I'm Mad Nigga after that.

Of course, people shot away from that. It was a result from that. You get what I'm saying? Of course. I took the hit. I stand on my own. I ain't do no big noise. I respect it.

I know you have to. Because I know it's a gladiator sport. We not, I swear to God, we got to deprogram ourselves because we not in that time. Like, yo, yo, we in a gladiator. Yo, bro, you know how much shit? You want me to pull up my phone and tell you how much your lyrics and who you was going

or who people may have thought you was going out? Right, seriously. I've been on the block. I've been on the MU blocks. Yes. So,

you just be talking about me. You know, you know, we go, no, no, no. I was in a tunnel with this shit.

I was in a tunnel with this shit. I told everybody, I said, I was in a tunnel with this shit. I was in a tunnel with this thing. This is my nigga. This is my nigga from the 14 years I've been here. But no. I was in a tunnel with this thing. I was in a tunnel with this thing. The reason why I'm like, you know, one, I'm a fan.

Let's just be clear. All of y'all. And I always wanted to know, was that a solo mission? Or was that... This nigga still wants to... I've never... When I bump into you, we ain't gonna speak about no rap shit.

What's up, nigga? You smoking you good? So I had never did this, and this is me being a pure fan. I know I'm not stretching this question out because it's just like I said, like when I see Bleak and Bleak is like, yo, man, you know, they told me Nas went at me. And I'm looking at Bleak like, man, come on, Slav.

Where? Like, where? Like, where did he go at you? And I like the fact that this is your brother. Uh-huh. And he's. I'm like, nigga. His question is even better than mine.

No, no, no. No, we all have our reservations. I love that. We all have our reservations. The thing is, I was like, when I'm telling, like, from the beginning, like the beginning, I know from the beginning... You know why, though? I was in different...

Let him say this. No, no, no. I mean, because, like I said... He was in them rooms before. I was in different. No, no, no. I mean, because like I said. He was in them rooms before. I was in those rooms. That's what I'm saying. Them conversations

is different. They ain't thinking about whatever. I think personally, personally, I feel that nigga Jada said that, you know,

that nigga write songs in like five, 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying? And he heard it because like I said, I saw him. He's like, yo, man, I heard what he did, but I'm going to change, man.

I'm going to change. That's what he told you. No, he don't. No, no, no. I seen him at like a Biggie party. He's seen Jay. Jay, he was. I met him through Not hip hop

I'm Shalee Whatever I mean But you know It's just all Yo I heard your man shit But I'm a different person Right now

So I personally That's a lot No no No person What I know now Is just like I think when he did it What he said in the beginning

He just really Was just like Yo I ain't got nothing To say on this shit. Let me just do this shit. You know what I mean? But at the same time, you know, right, I'm here to say anything else.

Did you get your answer? This is your fourth question. Yeah, I like it. He's looming it. You know what? Hip hop needs to know this. I swear to God, when I heard you say that and address that and you addressed us when Bleak did that, I was like, damn, you know what?

I never really got a direct response from you. And I never had the actual reason. Uh-huh. Like, I mean, and I'm in the industry. Like, so I never had the actual reason. You heard the diss back then because you were saying you was listening to it then. I was listening to it, but I heard it back then. He was tapping.

He was tapping. You remember the season of that? Because that was a little, like I said, that was on Hot 9. That was on K-Sling. I thought I heard it on Flex. No, Flex played it on K-Sling. No, Flex played it on K-Sling. Flex played it on K-Sling.

Oh, this was the game that's being played. But time out. Flex played on that nigga. Of course. Okay. But this is the game that's being played. But time out. Flex play on that nigga. Of course. But this is the game that's being played. That when I begin to understand how this shit unfolds. Right now, you learn it. Oh, shit.

Oh, niggas is going that way. For me, again, we talking rap. What are we talking about? Oh, shit. We talking business. Okay. You get it? But for me, we talking rap. What the fuck we talking about? Oh shit, we talking business. Okay. You get it? But for me, we talking rap.

I think that's the answer to it. Besides that, on the streets, we hot. We battling for our slot. Don't forget that. We talking, like I said, we had the billboard on 2-5th. For two days, they put a down. Murder Inc. had more money. They put the big shit up. This is no cap. On 2-5th. for two days they put it down. Murder Inc. had more money. They put the big shit up. This is no cap.

On 2-5th. This is what's going on during this time. Remember they kept it up longer. Yeah, but when we had it the first time, we had it across from the bank on 7th. Then we had to take it down. Then they put it on Linux. Murder Inc. had the biggest spot. They kept it at a career small.

But I'm just saying. We're talking about right by the panel? Yes. No, further down. No, we're talking about... My bad. I'm bouncing around a little bit. Is it true that you guys deal for... What's it? 2.7 million?

What? So So Def? Yeah. Hell no. I think it was two. It was two. It was two million. Murder got two million from So So Def.

Two million. I don't know what y'all niggas mean. I don't... Hey, yo, bro. For the record, those videos cost like $400,000 back then. Just for the record.

I was like literally there. We live with you. We live with you. The deal was $2.7 to $3 million. Go ahead. Put it like this.

No, let him go. Put it like this. What they may say on J... What they may say when he says... On million dollars worth of a game? No, no, no. When JD came to the show, it is what it is. He said, I thank you for giving me my first million.

He did. Because it was probably a million for murder. A million for the pocket. A million for the us. You know, I like it was 275. That shooting out the cannon. So, so. That was 275.

Whoever that was. So you got shot out the cannon? No, we got shot out the cannon. I gave you that line. See how I put that out there for you? Yeah, whoever that was in that cannon. That shooting out the cannon. That was an evil, can-evil stunt.

But I'm just saying. Our budget was huge. our budget was huge. Our budget was huge. And we went golden in a month. A lot of shit that, like, when you there

and you, like, seeing... I know, but a lot of... That's why, like, Instagram and... These niggas out here be lying.

Half the shit... Yo, but I'm telling you, like, when you in the meetings and you hear what these niggas doing, they got lawyers, they got,

everybody's trying to negotiate. So certain prices that niggas get, that shit be with so many, so many stipulations. Of course. It's just like any other contract. Any other,

so when rumors, that shit, yo. But football, you got guaranteed money and then the rest is incentives, right? But it is guaranteed money. You got to do 200 yards. That shit.

If you don't read the box back, if you don't read it, nobody like to read. That's the money you take. Nobody like to read. Let me ask y'all because, you know, this is a legendary story. I'm not trying, dig into it.

I respect everybody involved. Kid is a big-time journalist, both of these guys. Let's give it up for both of these guys. Kid is a big-time journalist, man. But this is the rumor. This is, you know what I mean. What it is is they're saying that that was the budget. It was like $2.7 to $3 million, right?

Nah. And then they're saying that each of y'all had got $10 grand or something like that. That's definitely a fact. And they said that Cam was supposed to join. That's a true fact. And when Cam realized the money was low, he said no. No, no, no. He didn't say it on my show. He said it on me and I was working at it.

He did not hear that. He didn't realize the money was low. They really paid me. I was working at it a couple times. He said it on Me and Dallas River Game. I heard that. They really bring it up on Me and Dallas River Game a couple times. Big them up, though. Or maybe he did. He might have said it on Dream Chat. He said it on Dream Chat. No, on Me and Dallas.

Okay, I believe it was Me and Dallas. Me and Cam, we basically talked about our time. So it's a rumor that it was only 10 grand for each of y'all. So Cam didn't join. And that's how Cam went and created Dipset. I'll let y'all say it and I'll tell. I'm going to say something really quickly. I'm going to pass it up really quick.

Look, real quick. Yo, all right. So Cam. By the way, it's all love. I'm not asking no no super love no shade no shade we got to get out of this mentality this is weird we got to support each other listen that's right cam um man cam was dumb nice yes i do i think cam was wasn't worth 10 000 and at that time no i believe camera was was worth more. Duh. Fast forward.

Did he already have a Sony deal? Yes. I don't think so. Now let's rewind. Cameron, you are who you are for you got here. Cam was still Cam. Like I said earlier with Cam,

you can't tell Michael Jordan he's not Michael Jordan. That's why he's Michael Jordan. Break it down. You can't tell Michael Jordan he's not Michael Jordan. That's why he's Michael Jordan. Let's all break it down. You can't tell Nori he's not Nori. That's why he's Nori. You can't tell F.A. that he's not F.A. because that's how it works. So you can't tell Cam who he is. What I'm saying is, do I think

at the time was Cam worth that? No. I feel like if I was Cam, I wish I was. I wish I was. And I'm happy you got us up here, you know, so we could tell our story. But, yo, if I was Cam, I wish I was just a little bit older at that time. Because I would have had the wherewithal to finagle the bagel to really navigate my shit. You know what I'm saying? But I've been blessed with friends like Nori, friends like Nelly, friends like Mace, friends like Cam, you know what I'm saying?

To help friends like me, friends like Blink to help me navigate through life. That shit is important too, right? Right. Super. Yeah, that shit is important. Back to the... Back to the guy. Yeah, he gave us 10. For me,

you know, I was kind of doing some other things, so when um grease asked me did i want to do it what i said of course because i'm on some rap shit i'm sorry at the time i was okay so uh yeah i'll take the shot that's murder anyway let's not let's not play if murder saying he got an opportunity this is har Harlem. We talking rap shit. A dime is okay. You know, get in the game. That's how I looked at it.

So, yes, that's a fact. Thanks again for the opportunity. That's no disrespect. Again, niggas probably had more knowledge of the game because we was green. That's kind of what happens in the game. Sometime when you come in. I got signed for five. You get what I'm saying?

I got. Yeah. You got five more than me. So this is what happened, right? One thing about Kevin Mace, there is no, they have to be partners. They just. The egos are so. No, no. It's not, Cardi.

I'm listening to y'all. It's got nothing to do with me. That's a good thing, though. It's not, Cardi. I'm listening to y'all. That's a good thing, though. It's not about ego. It's about the fact that they are both they are both Kendrick's spirits. When they, what I'm telling you, like, you came later.

I was going to end up again. We're not going to do this on air. We're not going to do this on air. No, Cardi, because you wasn't there for the big L. Dumb niggas, when I'm telling you, KD first, KD first. Kim, whenever they was, Mace got the deal.

He said, listen, I'm with Mace every day. I'm going to get Kim, and he's going to help musically, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, Mace is the bigger person. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, Mase is the bigger person. You know, Mase is the deal. He got the... So, hard... Cam was just like, yo, I'm going to write you a hard

because we're trying to get hard on him. You know what I'm saying? That's his brother. So, when the deal came, he's like, yo, Mase got like a million, whatever. I'm not saying Cam went half, but he didn't want no $10,000 neither. neither the end of the day i needed that number it is the thing is like what i'm telling you like these niggas is like can't just spirits like out of anybody these niggas is like i was there like

i've seen how they you know what i'm saying so when m Mase got it, he tried to give Kim $10,000. He like, my nigga, I'm not a rapper. We're not doing this. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, this is an insult. And I'm like, yo, Mase, I'm like, my nigga, like, you can't give Kim $10,000. I mean, this is, this is, I mean, this is Kim. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So that's why Kim was never going to be part of Harlem World. He was just going to help musically, maybe the hooks. And Hud is his brother, regardless of what anybody, Hud, like the funeral, I cried the most because I seen Cam holding his mother, his mother, Hud mother. That's what broke me down because, like I said, I was, I know the history. You know what I mean? I was there from the beginning. So that's why when

Cam said that, he felt a certain way and he should be because whatever they got going now, you think that nigga, they part, what Cam say? We partners. Out of 20 years, out of all the shit they've been through, nigga,

we partners. So when it comes to them two, when it comes to them two, Mase, you gotta, I'm like, my nigga, you can't,

I mean, Cam, like I said, they are elite. When you think of top 10 rappers, they are in that, you can't give Cam $10,000. I mean,

come on, you wild. You wild. You know what I'm saying? Let's take a shot. You want to take a shot? Yeah, you on that mean, come on. You wild. That's why I took a shot to that. You wild. You know what I'm saying? Another shot. You want to take a shot? Yeah, you on that... I'm on that Sarah Davis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that like one of the kids' names, just for spectating? So I don't know how to handle this. It's the great grandfather. I don't know how to handle this thing. Is that one of the kids' names? It's the great grandfather.

Okay, yeah. I know some sentimental value to that name. The great grandfather. And you know how gangsta it is to see mean old drinking Ace of Spokane Spade. That's what we do. That's full circle. That's what we do. That's what we do.

Yo, Salud. Yo, man, bro, I appreciate y'all for having us, man. Yo, N.O., man, you know you're my boy. I didn't know the trajectory you was going with tonight. I should have hit you On Texans And kind of No no no

No It happened natural Yeah it happened natural It happened natural This is This is organic This is organic You brothers deserve

I was nervous as fuck I'm like Listen Nah You brothers deserve Y'all flowers You brothers Like listen

That shit is so crazy Going through y'all Distography Going through y'all history And going through Like She don't stop Yeah yeah through y'all history, and going through like... She don't stop, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's drink champs.

No, there's drink champs. Yeah, there's drink champs. That's, you know what I'm saying? That's the sister. But, man, I'm so proud of y'all, man, for continuing going. Shit. So many layers, bro. Being a part of that historic

golden era, right? Let me ask y'all a question. Hold this fuck up. Golden era? Look, this is fucking quick time again. Golden era or right now? This is questions for y'all. Golden era.

Golden era. I'm going to go one for one. I don't know. I got no more questions. For the feel of it We happy where we at now But for the feel of it If it's just about the feel Of what it meant to be

A fan of the culture The golden era I mean Not even just a fan of the culture It's kind of some hood shit Like yo Are you happy where you at in Yeah Who me? Yeah because I remember

And I you know Y'all niggas was wild We still wild Nah nah nah I'm gonna be honest with you I'm gonna be honest with you Niggas is banned from the tunnel That's right

I'm a it. I was there like I'm niggas been from the tunnel. And that's right. That's right. That's right. I'm a man from TV. I told you I was so. Let me hit that. I know. I know. I hope the camera's still rolling.

I hope the camera's still rolling. I'm going to hit my own. You hit that my mom. And the Bible when they was robbing me. Complain this in the. Yes. Yes. Like Joe.

My nigga. Yep. That nigga said he get down here robbing. Yes. Yes. I ain't gonna say who they robbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. These niggas talking about, I ain't gonna tell you who you rob. You're not telling me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying nobody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying nobody. But you was just like, yo, my niggas, y'all niggas.

Just stick together, yeah. You got robbing. Yes, yeah. Y'all niggas out there sticking niggas up, man. Yes. And I'm gonna be honest. Let me ask you your first question. You said,

you said, am I happy? Because I know the niggas you was fucking with. You. And I'm going to be honest. Let me ask you your first question. You said, you said, am I happy? Because I know the niggas you was fucking with, you know what I'm saying? I know. They still around.

They still here. I'm tremendously happy because you know why? Being in Miami, I don't have to compete with people. In New York, I got to compete

even if you're not competing. So you're at peace with just not competing in your mind at all, yeah. Compete with what? Are you dumb? Yeah, I'm not. I'm staying here. Look at all of these collective brothers that's here. We got the United Nations of fucking,

and there's every fucking race in here. Beautiful people. Every fucking race in here, and we chilling. Beautiful people. And that's what makes us, that's what makes it so easy to give love and show love to people like y'all is because y'all deserve this.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted y'all to be here. Like, this is my personal picks. You know, me personally. And I was like, yo, I want to give y'all flowers. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted y'all to be here. Like, this is my personal picks. You know, me personally. And I was like, yo, I want to give y'all flowers. You know what I'm saying? I wish Sugar Jay was here. I mean, I really want to move in the garage.

I really want to move in the garage. Oh, yeah. Can we get on the phone? Can we get on the phone? Even if we don't pick up for two minutes, that'll be dope. No, Saloub. Oh, shit. I got a shot. I got a shot.

I got a shot. Yo, NL, I appreciate you, man. Let me just tell you, let me tell you something about Loon. I'll be your shit. I go to Dubai. Dubai. That ain't Dubai. That's Dubai.

Yeah, I go to Dubai. I don't know if Loon seen that I was out there, or maybe I hit him and I knew he was out there. Loon took care of me, bro. Nah, that's dope, bro. Yo, like, you know. Yo knew he was out there. Loom took care of me, bro. Nah, that's dope, bro. Yo, like, you know. Yo, he said, yo, all right, so for the record, he said he didn't call him. I said, yo, NL said he hit you. He said, yo, he did not call me.

And I'm like, yo, you must have got the wrong number. I might have it. But look, let me just show him proof. Hold on. This is the piece of the God. Maybe I called him God It was too late It was 12 at 4

Yeah This was a day ago You gotta go He live in the club It's okay Even if we don't Nah so good We had a good show man

Yeah man No no no We ain't We gotta I really wish Stace was here Cause Stace is Nah yo Stace is the plug

No Stace is the plug Stace is the plug Like Stacey's the plug. Stacey's the plug. Like I said, that girl, when I'm telling you, she's the reason why we're here now. No, no, no.

She called Eno and said the call. That's crazy. She's energy. She stay in her zone, but she's always... So know. So, all right. So, let me just ask y'all. And this is me as a fan asking, Macy with ties, right? Or I forget exactly what it was.

Maybe he went to God, which was warranted, right? Which is dope, right? But then y'all are sitting around right how does life maintain after that do y'all feel like shit is over well like um murder retired it was a ill we was on the road in the middle of nowhere when we got the word you know i'm saying, on basically promo tour. We come back, you know, the label, of course, they're kind of fading from us, you know?

Because they're like murdering our hair no more. I mean, yeah. It's before death. Yeah. It's only so, yeah. But we all nominated for a Source Award that year. We did go out to, we was up against Flipmo because the album went gold in a month. So it was a great thing.

And Busta stayed with Flipmode, so they ended up getting the award. But at that time, it was just like, it was a shock to everybody, you know? And you can't question a man going to God weighing into that. So you just got to see what happens from here. And of course, eventually the label,

you know, you get less and less attention. They start fading because the main character, of course, is gone. You know, for me, I was able to, like I said, I got to deal with a lot. So things kept moving. You know, Cardi, he's a pin. Lifestyle, life is for everybody. But in this journey, as we get to reflect back. Because as you're moving through it.

You're moving through it. Nobody's a genius when they're moving through it. You're trying to maneuver as much as you know how. Sometimes it's off of motion. Sometimes it's off of smarts. You're just maneuvering. So. To be here.

To be able to talk about it. And still be maneuvering in a great way is the key because I think that's what's worth it that's the master key I think that's what's worth it whenever you say yo is that worth it I think was it worth it

when you asked that was it worth it in his heart of hearts I think it was worth it because guess what you would never be able to ask I wouldn't be on the champs so guess what in hindsight was was worth it. I wouldn't be here. Because guess what? You would never be able to ask him that question. I wouldn't be on the champs. So guess what? In hindsight, was it worth it?

Yo, I love Connie so much because. Yo, I told Blake my first rhyme. Yo, hold up. Let me stop you real quick, Blake. This is for you. Yo, my first rhyme ever that I ever wrote in my whole entire life. Blake was in a group called BBO. And this is a part of my story because Blink was in a group.

What BBO mean? Benevitz. Well, Benevitz is over. Yeah. Right? Okay. Right? So this is the group.

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Quick story. Quick, quick, really quickly. Blink was a part of that group. Mase was a part of that group. There was a few people a part of that group, right? So whenever I got the courage to write my first rhyme, because I used to see Blink was a part of that group. Macy was a part of that group. There was a few people a part of that group, right? So whenever I got the courage to write my first rhyme

because I used to see Blink, I used to see, they was already in the group before me, right? I used to see them. Yeah, BBL, yes. Right across the street from me, right? I used to see them.

I idolized them. Like, damn, these guys, like. Been in business over. Yeah. Well. No, yeah. You know how old, how young Cardi is? Yo, I told yo i told blake hold on two minutes two seconds

bling i told him my first rhyme right because like because he he he he he he made me feel most approachable because the other guys was like blake but blake i i like you know i connected with blake he made me feel like i could tell it to him without crazy judgment right blake said yo that is dope that's all i needed so what's one thing if you could do over that's a great question this guy's good you guys are good well i'm gonna start with you this is gonna sound real corny but i would yo i got a son i wouldn't do nothing over. You wouldn't do nothing? Wouldn't do nothing over?

Nothing. All right, that's not my answer. I got Michael. I'm dead. I lost my sister, my brother, my mother, Michael. So whatever, and the crazy thing is, I met Michael's mother in the tunnel, surrounded by girls. Like, when we was going out, this nigga is a chick magnet. Like, I mean, and we was on it. But the fact that I got Micah, I don't regret nothing.

We got a son, Jay. You know we're going to you. You got a chance. But I said, if you could start life from scratch, I wouldn't change shit. You remember that? Same gun, same gun, same gun shit. All out. All around. Same old.

You know, that was me with that energy. In hindsight, if we could. Of course, I would do a few things different. I don't regret anything I've done, though. That's the difference. You know what I'm saying? I'm different. I don't regret anything I've done though. That's a difference. I respect that. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not... But if you could change any one thing... Come on, my life is bigger than that. First, we ain't even talking... No, anything. I'm just saying. So that's what I mean. It could be a few things and I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean?

But life is life. What's the lowest? What? Who we telling? You or your... Nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah. If I was starting life extraction, I wouldn't change shit. Same gun, same clip, same mouth, bitch. All out, Harlem world, same old clip, same old studio, same old shit.

Shit don't change just because a cop took six to the brain. Me don't got a lawyer, man. I'm hip to the game. You ain't got no gun if my pussy ain't on that thing. What is you saying? And on the same block that I get the glock from, you see the same cop that can pop with the shotgun. At the same bodega

I cop my tops from, I get the same money to the same cops come. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. No, no, wait, wait, bro. There's no losses.

Let's just eradicate all of that. Everything. Even if we lose, we turn in that into a fucking lesson. We're going to figure out a positive out of something. There's no, and essentially there and essentially, there's no losses. Yo, my nigga, this thing is gonna get on my nerves. No, but it's not the business.

No, seriously. There's no losses. Who are we kidding? Let's just be real with ourselves. Let's support each other, man. Seriously. Yo, yo, yo. Cardi is like... This is my nigga.

I told this nigga my first round. That's my nigga. My nigga. You know... Where's the money at No we gonna get you bro I'm all about a dollar I'm gonna tag y'all

All of y'all niggas in my next four pictures They gonna say yo Homeboy acting like he Radio Raheem out here Yo We gotta stop this nigga We gotta stop this nigga You know we really appreciate you guys. This is like the first thing we've done without the big wigs.

The support system, yeah. You know what I'm saying? The big wigs. It happens. It happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? We got y'all.

Yeah. We got y'all. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Kind of like being on in the meetings with them executives and all that, and then being, you get both sides, and both sides got a point. You know, like, just like if you on real estate, right? Back in the days, nigga want to fucking evict your mother. You ain't paying rent.

You mad. But you got to think from the other side, like, well, I own this property, and I got to do this. So it's always both sides of everything and that's how i think about life so whenever somebody say something it's pros and it's cons should i do this i did that but what i've learned is it's gotta be but this is this is just all age like we the thing is like and i was saying about you, it was like, I saw you. I know who you was with. That's right.

I know, I mean. You was staying from TV for real? No, no. That ain't no song title. That ain't no song title. Niggas want you to go inside, Cougar Food. I'm talking 20 minutes. He shot away from that.

I'm not even going to talk about the nigga that he had. He shot away from that. Why'd he shot away from that? Because he's cool, man. the nigga that he had he shot away from that why he shot away from that because he's cool man he's cool he graduated he graduated

now he graduated he graduated he graduated now he graduated now he graduated I mean but the fact is the fact that that

like when you see people you be like that nigga he gonna be dead in two years. He went there five years. These niggas was... No, no, no, no. I'm saying, but the fact that we're here is the fact

that you got to think about what made you... Every time I talk to somebody, they always say, because I moved. Everybody's a part of the same environment. That's why I'm big up State so much because I can say, when I say everybody

here because of that, at the end of the day, niggas are a product of the environment. You're in the hood. You're going to school. We all smart. But are we really, are we going to be here? It's a big, this person's going to sell 5 million.

We all here. you gotta always look i'm somebody that look at the the foundation what started at you know what i'm saying and i could say it but i i'm always safe stay started that shape yo thank you we gave it up we gave it up Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank feel like it was that right track.

Was it that right track? I think it was that right track. I think we went there. He played the beat. You know how Skate sell the beats. He got the whole neck. You know, Skate. Skate go crazy.

And Swizz. Swizz do that shit too. No, but nobody fucks with Skate. Nobody fucks with Skate. It's a different pop. It's a different pop. Pharrell did that shit too. And Swizz. Swizz do that shit too. But nobody fucks with skate. Nobody fucks with skate. It's a different pop. It's a different pop. It's a different pop. Pharrell do that shit too.

Sold a beat. We didn't write the song that night. Went back to the room. I took a piss. Go ahead. Go ahead. Song came out.

Thank you, baby. Song came out. Huh? I respect you. War the champs. No, I didn't get it. None of us are driving, so shit. We could be...

Go ahead, go ahead. Yo, so Skate did the B.O. It's really crazy. It's the latest story to that, too, because B2K was there that night. B2K? That night. We had drinks. If they remind y'all.

That's what I'm saying. There's so many drinks there that y'all just forgot the stories to. That's exactly what I'm go back to, right? I'm so open to, guys. Because if you were one, they'll be telling you this same story in a different way. So we was all there that night, man. Pharrell was there. He had a session.

He just had a session. We just came up to hear the music. Nelly played the beat. Hook, you know, how skates sell it. Movie. Was the hook already involved? Hook already involved. Already. You know, how skates sell it. Movie. Was the hook already evolved? Hook already evolved. Already did.

Okay, good. I am getting so high. Fire. Movie. But at the time, nobody knows. You don't know that. You know what I'm saying? You just don't know that.

Right. Who's the genius that used 9% of his name um was it nashadamus who's the who's the smartest person in the fucking world that nigga either way bro it takes you know what i'm saying like nobody knows that you didn't know you would be here we don't know where you're gonna be here it's all a risk it's all like you know it's all a shot in the dark so bro shit took off man shit took off, man. Shit took off. Classic. One of the top 100 songs of the whole... Biggest? One of the biggest? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's huge. Out of all the things you wrote, is this the first time someone gave you your actual credit? No. Or is? No, no, no, no. That's a great question. No, no. So, for that song, I didn't get actual credit.

You got a Grammy. Nah, no, but we finagle the bagel. When we talk to you about it. When we talk to you about that offline. Damn. Yo, we gonna talk to you

about that offline. That's the industry shit. That's what it's all about. Everything is industry. I wasn't ready. Bro, That's what it's all about. Everything is industry. I wasn't ready. Bro, I wouldn't be able to. Yo. Politics as usual.

Wow. We know that. Politics as usual. Let's get with the fucking program, Lord. Duh. Let's get it. We already know it. Yeah, no.

And not even in a bad way. Not even in a bad way. You feel what I'm saying? Hell yeah. But no, bro. You don't see that coming. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. way yeah no but not even in a bad way not even in a bad way you feel what i'm saying right hell yeah but um no bro you don't see that coming no no no was that the question i believe so no hold on what was that the question i know about the credit like oh yeah yeah good all right so i did i actually didn't get that so so let's rewind back real quick so, my first ever writing gig, right, was, so this is how Crush On You came about. I know you see me on the video.

True, right? Check it out. This is how Crush On You comes about. Nah, nah, nah. No, no, no, no. I'm done. Time out. Check it out, you know.

So this is the time B.I.G. is still alive, right? So B.I have um big is with on rivera right they got a um soundtrack coming out to the woo soundtrack this is tommy davidson this is a few people who w-o-o-o yeah with jay the picker in the movie i also got a joint on there i've been getting money for a long time yes I can tell you. Yes, yes. You follow, right? So this is my first ever right again. When I say this is how a question you came about, it's not that, hold on, you're not letting me finish. It's not that I had anything to do with it, but this is just my start of it, right?

So look, check it out really quick. I got you, Blaine. Listen, we on the same team. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm just saying, but we on the same team. I can see right there. Nah, it's cool.

That's my brother. Check it out. That's my brother. Yeah. But the son is right there. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, I'm just saying, but I don't, I can, I can see it right there. Nah, it's cool. That's my brother. Check it out. It's my brother, yeah. But the song's right there. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. I was there. Like, I was there.

Yo, N.O. I'm listening. I could talk to everybody I like. It's just me and you. Check it out. My first writing gig, right, was, so Big, Big had a budget, right, for JM, Junior Mafia, right? He said, yo, Mace was Mace's Mace. Let's give everybody their props.

Like, let's just get in the habit of giving everybody their props. For real. You know what I'm saying? That's what you're saying? That's what Big is saying? No, no. What I'm saying is, listen, Mace was like, yo, Big took a liking to Mace, right? He said, yo, write these fruit songs for me.

Cool. Mase said, yo. Not for Big. No, no, no. I'm helping you out. I got you. I got you. Look, Mase said, yo, Cam, Cardi.

Cool. Yo, listen, Big gave me 50 grand to write these three songs. Listen, take 10,000. Mase is spreading it to you guys. Give me three songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Directly. Okay, okay.

Direct deposit. mason's spreading it to you guys directly direct deposit yo Cardan Cam'ron write these write a couple songs for Junior Mafia right it's not it's not as big as it is now

it's so you know what I'm saying so we like oh okay cool we we we might four dollar sandwiches

I like the four dollar sandwiches we might four dollar sandwiches seriously all things being real right it's a come up so what I'm saying is my first writing gig right was to Seriously, yeah. We might have $4,000 sandwiches. Seriously. Like $40,000. All things being real, right? It's a come up. So what I'm saying is my first writing gig, right, was to write on the Wu soundtrack for Dream Mafia.

That's the first writing gig. My first writing gig. Yeah, you didn't write Crush on You. Wu, W-O-O-O. The movie. Not Wu. Because if people say Wu. No, not Wu-Tang.

No, Wu. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It wasn't Wu. No, no, no. It was Jada Pinkett. It was Jada Pinkett. Jada'm sorry, I'm sorry. It wasn't Wu. No, no, no. It was how to be a player. Jada Pinkett.

I said yes, Jada Pinkett, you asked that. It wasn't how to be a player. But you asked the Wu, right? It was Wu. I'm on that Snapchat. No, no, it was not Wu. It was how to be a player. Let's get to the grand scheme.

Let's get to the grand scheme, right? Check it out. I'm listening. My first writing gig, right, was for that. So I was like, yo, i was like yo i was like oh you got you got 500 for me just write rhymes cool what happened is my little right right rhymes end up making the album end up they end up recording the reference you know what i'm saying so i'm like oh oh this is, this is, oh. What song?

On the Wu Soundtrack. Yo, I'm not high track. But it wasn't Crush on you. You got weed, let me like that. But it wasn't Crush on you is what I'm saying. No, no, it wasn't Crush on you. And I'm just saying, this is what, this is in the same budget. When I say Crush on you. Crush on you wasn't even part of that budget. Bro, we on the same team.

Why you going against me? No, no, no. I don't know why you going against me. Because no party but Ghost Head goes everywhere else. Like, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want why you want to get smitten. No, Cardi, but those heads goes everywhere else. I don't want no backlight. I was there when they wrote Crushing You. No, but Crushing You had nothing really... You can say Cardi.

I love you, but the whole thing is I'm not going to let nobody at this point in my life... I'm going to tell you, Crushing You had nothing to do with you. But I was there and crewed the house when they were. I'm agreeing with you. What I'm saying is in the same window, right? In the same window. Blake,

don't make me back this Grammy out on you, nigga. My nigga, it's not about the Grammy. Yo, yo. What the fuck? Yo, Cardi, relax. Stop.

What I'm saying is Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. No, Cardi, stop. Relax. What I'm saying is

certain things you saying is going to be... Crush on you, I was there when they wrote it. At the same time. That's cool. You keep saying crush on you. Crush on you. Jesus is right there. You know how you

can call to elect a friend? Can we get Cesar Lee over here? Okay, let's go. You know how you can phone a friend? Can we get Cesar Lee over here? Okay, let's go. You know how you can phone a friend? You know how you can phone a friend? You caught it. You know how you can phone a friend?

We can phone a friend. We can phone a friend. You're not listening, Carter. You're wowing, Carter. You didn't write a question on me. Can we phone a friend? Can we phone a friend? Can we phone a friend? No, Blake, trust me.

I know, I know, I know. You both are right. I believe what Cardi is saying is in those same bunch of records, once they started writing for Junior Mafia, Mace came, gave him some money to write some records, gave Cam and them some records, some money to write some records. In that, Crush On You was written by whoever it was written by. It was in that batch. It was in that batch. That batch.

Whoever it was written by, not Cardi, whoever wrote Crush on You somebody in that that's what I'm saying like I said, every nighttime period whatever Lee was saying I'ma take the fastest piss of my life get going the thing is, you can't like I'm not on hate time though

it's not about hate time it's about the backup I'm saying the batter you started it with the crush on you. No, I know. But guess what? It's in the same batter. He's saying this is how crush on you came along.

Because they was writing a bunch of songs. Not that he wrote crush on you. Mason Campbell. And I was very, very close to crush on you. I'm not going to lie. Was he? Was he? Nah, I'm not going to lie. She wasn't there. I'm not going to you. I'm not going to lie. Was he? Was he? Nah, I'm not going to lie.

She wasn't there. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. She wasn't there. I was very, very close. Blink. Blink. Check this out.

Relax. No, no, no. Cardi. Cardi. You're going to understand. This is Freely Banter. No, Cardi. People don't understand.

This is Freely Banter. Listen. When I'm telling you I was there, I don't even like doing interviews because of this. Because when I'm telling you I was there with every single thing. So when people say certain shit, I know they lying. You know what's the key word? You said every single thing, not every single day. Every single day.

There's days. There's days. There's days. There's days. You got to understand. Cardi, there was no gap. This is really mental. No, Cardi, you know what I'm saying?

We got to get in the habit of being cool, and we don't got to kill each other after every disagreement. Can we get into the habit of that? Can we have a really better? Cardi, Cardi, we're here, but Cardi, what I'm saying is this. What I'm saying is this, right? The whole world is going on speculations, right? Everything I'm saying, I was there

for. I seen... You're not listening. I'm not getting into that. I got a P. Diddy. Let me go to the back. Let me go to the back. Let me reset that. We reset it over

You know we gotta chill You gotta chill You gotta chill You know what I'm saying Nah you gotta chill You love the Harlem shit right I mean you know what I remember I said Harlem so much

That is back My thing is this Nigga gotta tell because It carries forward So what's the speculation what's going on right now So what happened was Cardi said crush on you You cannot mention crush on you

At all cause I was there Where even with Mason Cam, Cam said he wrote it May said he wrote it They wrote that shit at the same time At Cuda House on the 23rd. Shout out to my guys.

I was downstairs Cuda like, yo, Biggie. Yeah. He said, yo, Biggie gave me, it was seven,

it was 75, 70, 30,000. The right C's four songs. They wrote Crush on you. Crush on you got so big, pause, that they put Lil' Kim on it,

and they made that the second single. So, certain shit, when niggas say, I was literally there. No, over there. But it's not a dispute that Cardi wasn't there. You're just saying that he has more clarification on the situation. Because the whole thing is this. This is what's going on.

People, I'm only going to speak on shit that I saw with my own eyes. You can say whatever. I wasn't there for nothing, but I was there for crushing on you. You saw them write that thing. I seen them write that. All right, big shots out there. And he's not saying that either. You're just trying to clarify it.

Right, right, right. You don't have to be murky. Because you know what happens is? I get it, I get it. That nigga, that nigga Cardi out here lying. He wasn't there. What happened by the wall? Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Relax, everybody chill. What I'm saying is. Uh-huh, let him finish. What are you talking about? All I'm saying is. Uh-huh. We always there for certain shit. What was that?

What wasn't I there for? What I'm saying is you wasn't there for crushing. I'm saying I literally was right there. I'm here now. I know I come out the bathroom and we still talking about what I was there for. What I'm saying is this blank. Listen, let me help you help yourself. Check it out.

I didn't say I was there for crushing you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What I'm saying is this. Listen.

This is good TV. I have a batch of records. Yo. Yo. We not talking about. We talking about. This is good TV. I have a batch of records. Yo, yo. We're not talking about. We're talking about. Y'all kind of going off the track, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to grab the range on this.

Check it out. Real quick. Let's try the record. All my shit is Google. What's your word? Google. Yeah. Right.

We're going to set it out there. We're going to set it out there. That's it, man. We all good with this, man. Let's move past this record, man. Exactly. We're talking about right now right i'm not saying i'm worried about questioning you when i got great

talk about what's now i love this nah blake yo look like you said earlier like you said earlier yo i love this harlem banter this is what it's about This is what it's about. This is what it's about. It's going forever. You know how much I mean this thing on you? We're going forever. I'm trying to let you get going.

Harlem is Harlem. I can't believe Harlem is not here. Nah, nah, it's real. We're home. This is normal everyday life. Everyday life. And the fans love it too. Everyday life.

Jesus Christ. This thing here of ours, you know Harlem. Can we talk about that a little bit before we get out of here? You know what I'm saying? Because I'm a big representative of that thing. You know what I'm saying? A lot of blood, sweat, and tears.

A lot of ups and downs. I put in for that. I just want everybody to understand that when we talk in Harlem, that's the home of the thing. You know what I'm saying? Everybody kind of got to come through our town to get their sauce up. You know what I'm saying? Let's talk got to come through our town to get their sauce up. You know what I'm saying? Let's talk about that part of this game for a minute. When we putting the map out here and rap and all that.

You know what I'm saying? From the biggest to the smallest. They got to come see us. You know what I'm saying? So for sure. If you don't. For sure. Yeah, for sure.

If you don't come through, you're really not stamped. You know what I'm saying? And we only 50-something blocks. You know what I'm saying? East to west. So understand now. So what I'm saying? And we only 50-something blocks. You know what I'm saying? East to west. So understand now. So what's the 50... Like from Real Harlem to

156? To 55th. That's 45th, right? 55th, right? That's 40-something. And then I'm going east to west. So we're saying from Branson Branson to Branson. From Broadway back to the East River. That's the East to West.

So that's 50-something blocks. So Spanish columns is involved. Yeah. Okay. You call Spanish columns? 110? 100. 100.

No, but how far on the east side? Oh, the whole east. From the east to west. It goes east to west. It ain't going east to west. It's east to west, right? So who you saying? My handball crew is involved. Yeah, they're involved. They're involved. But. It ain't going east to west. It's east to west, right? So who you saying? My hairball crew is involved.

Yeah, they're involved. They're involved. But we just talking about 50-something blocks. All this noise for 50-something blocks, all these guys. So understand what we are. And that's the part that I think the gang don't understand about Harlem. And that might have been a little bit of my thing because they steal a lot from us. You know what I mean?

They act like we not that. Yeah, I don't like that. When we're really the soil where you have to come through. No matter what, you get your rank up coming through our town, our 50-something blocks. So Harlem is the world. Where it counts. Not just Harlem world. Harlem is the world.

Everybody, they come through, the Apollo, you know, all those places where you gotta come get the thing. So I'm just saying on the Harlem world. Y'all got a close-up? Harlem is the world. Y'all got a close-up? Get that close-up. Y'all got a fucking close-up? Nah, I'm just kidding. Get the close-up.

When we talk about the rap game and what we as a whole have contributed, I think I just want to big up Harlem a little more in the game. Why would we? You know what I'm saying? They shit on us a lot for a lot of different things. No, not a lot of different things. They know what that thing is.

But we're going to talk about Harlem being the Mecca of a lot of these things. And we just have to. Sure. We can represent Harlem. For sure. For the world. For sure. Are we going to make some noise for Harlem?

Of course. Let me just tell you. You know, Ben, go ahead. I'm just going to say something about Harlem. You want to say something else? Yeah. Let's go. I'd rather you sum it up.

Go ahead. I mean, so, you know, like, we love Harlem. I mean, they're our flaws. We got a lot of flaws. There's a lot of people that we defend that be doing all types of crazy shit. You know what I mean?

But at the end of the day, we love shit. You know what I mean? But at the end of the day, we love Harlem. You know what I mean? And I think that that shit, and we get it because at the end of the day, niggas talk down and they be having valid points.

Valid, valid points. But at the end of the day, I will never let nobody get between Harlem because I was born in Harlem Hospital and I'm a, you know what I'm saying? So I know like when it comes to Harlem

that stigma, but us, regardless of what he did, I called him, whatever he did, he did it for Harlem. You know what he did, I called him. Whatever he did, he did it for Harlem. You know what he said at the end of the day? That nigga's representing Harlem.

He ain't from Harlem. You know what I'm saying? When you think about the whole shit, he took a big task, not for him, but the fact that these niggas, I'm going to tell you, they doing a movie about Rich Porter. I'll call.

You want to get into it? No, because what happened was Rock came to me and was just like, yo, he came to me and makes, he said, yo, no, stop, stop. God damn, Cardi. Hold on. Hold on. Rock came because Rock was just like, yo, Rock, somebody. He was just like, yo, I want Maze to play AZ and you to play Riz because these niggas about to take Harlem from us. Wait, so.

Yeah, yeah, yo, because. What movie is this? It's a paid-in-for. No, I'm saying, but. No, no, so we heard about it just just like what niv said you know i wasn't trying we heard about deep into no no no no so so so the like yo y'all the only niggas that they wanted cam they wanted me to play rich they wanted me play. This is before the whole. So when Mino did that, I understood. It's like, yo, this is hard.

You know what I mean? Like, niggas talk so bad about us. There's a lot of integrity in there, right? They talk so bad about us, but yet, just like Mino said, they're fucking jacking us. You know what I mean? So it's just like, damn. He's drunk as fuck. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm just playing. Yo, we need some humor into this shit. Everybody should, yo, yo, yo. No, no, no, it's not about humor. Everybody got to fucking relax, all right? Everybody got to fucking relax. Everybody got to fucking relax. Everybody got to fucking relax.

No, dead ass. All right, go ahead, Blink, my bad. Not bad, we good, we good. I love you. Go ahead, Edelman. It's good calling. All right, go ahead Blink, my bad. Nah, go ahead, we good. I love you. Go ahead, N.O. It's good calling. Shout out to all my people. Yeah, yeah, so I mean,

I mean, so like I said, I'm done, I mean, what I'm saying is like, rivers are hauling, rivers are hauling, that's it. Yo, N.O. Yo, we don't got the Turk Boy. The what? The Chalk Boy. The Chalk Boy.

The Chalk Boy. Yo, where's that beat, where's that beat, where's that sir, sir, sir, sir, what's the name? We chalkboard? The chalkboard? Yo, where's that beat? Where's that beat? Where's that sir, sir, sir, sir, what's the name? We killed that? What? The Sir John. Sir John.

You know what I'm saying, John? Oh, you're trying to run? You body that? No, no, no, no. I was just asking. I was just asking. No, no, I don't want it. You got beat into that?

We get into that? No, I don't even want no more. You ain't got it. No, I don't even want no more. You trying to run right now? But see, here's the problem. No, no, here's the problem. Let's see if you can.

Listen. You ain't got it. That's the problem. That's what I was trying to, you know, I ain't going to go too hard. You got it now. No, right now. You still. I'm top of the brass right now. Hold on, hold on.

I'm just saying I'm top of the brass right now. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to all my youngins that I'm producing. We'll get your light together, man. Yeah, we have a commercial break in here. I've seen it. We need beats. I don't think you got it still. We'll get your light together, man. We need beats. I don't think you got it still. We got a segment that we...

Stop. Stop. Stop. Let me get my berries. We got a segment called Do You Still Got It? Do You Still Got It? He done left it. What's up, man? You don't see me on the band at all.

Ask me my five taught home rappers. OK, hold on. We're going to get back to you. We're going to see if he's still got it. No, he got smoked today. Don't make me take this jacket off, man. Let's put that on. We need a beat.

We don't need beats. We got a beat. We got a beat. We can do it with a beat. You don't want a beat? We don't have to. I like this. It's like this.

No, no, no. Let's get having some fun with this. Put a beat on it now. Come on. Get out of this. We can do it with a beautiful wannabe. We don't have to I like it like this Play you want to be no give me a fucking second to think of a rod real quick. I mean I take it time Why he's running you got a good I like that. Let's see. I want to see That's what I want to see. I want to see if I still got let me see this see. There's a segment called You Still Got It. Let me see. We haven't been using this for a long time. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

I'm sorry. Let me see what's going on. You got to turn that off. You're not going to play a fucking beat? Nah, we don't need no beat. Okay. Check this. Something like.

Something like. Hold on. Let's go. Something like. Hold on. Hold on. Something like, man. I'm doing Dream Chance right now.

You ready? I've been ready. All right. Everybody ready? All right. Come on. Let's go. You sure you don't want to beat? We can do that. You ready? I've been ready. All right, come on. You sure you don't want to be? We can do another one. All right, all right, all right.

Let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's go, let's go. I just want to warm it up. Let's go. Warm it up. Warm it up. What? Yeah.

I made the sky open up. Sunshine is the game. Just design a dialogue. I'm divine with the pen. I'm talking to you. Hold up, stop that phone. Let's get back again. I hear my son, boy. All right, I'm going to call you back. Hold up, stop that phone. My bad, my bad. Let's get back again. I made the sky open up, sun shining again.

This designer dialogue, I'm divine with the pen. I'm talking Shakur, Jones, Carter, Wallace and them. The gods who balls, push the ball higher than them. And the leaders undefeated, every beat I beat it. This a caviar flowing shell to Adidas. Should be flocking at you non-believers. It's that ball right there. Should be flocking at you non-believers.

One more time. Yeah. Let's go here. Let's go here. Let's go here. Hold up. You got me hyped. You got me hyped.

People talking what I could have been. Basing that what they thought a nigga should have been. All right. Make it make sense niggas can't make this I did real joints with snoop nines and kiss and X and max Bro, the bubbles out your fucking air max relax. I don't relax. Mr B is back. You ain't never had a bomb and had to push the fiends back My man mom said it first. It's how we got the feedback for real. Hold up. Listen, you're you're taking I'm a glassy nigga make a scene scene like you never seen as I mean, nigga. I was doing Harlem when Harlem was really doing Harlem. They forgot we from Harlem, huh? Maybe that's the problem.

Or maybe I'm a old head that talk too much. Young niggas dying to rap. That shit cost too much. See, we walk different. And we talk different. We don't trap. We sell crack. Call that pitching.

Mix the mud with the 50, make it jump. Quarter ticket in the month. That whole city in the slump. Nigga been missing for months. Do doubles in the rain and the thunder. Strain the nigga brain really under. Knowing one day that them niggas coming. Man, them niggas coming.

We say fuck it, dawg. Keep them coming. Try to do another hundred for the end of summer. So addicted to the stutter. That machine flutter. We're going to let Young go. We're going to let Young go. I'm back on my bully, back on my bully. You still got it, Garty?

Back to smacking these rappers, acting a dummy. Stacking this money, no cap is having some hungry. I'm packing a Mac at the back of the act. Who bad is Bunny? We get them now. The town got no dates. Nobody's found for now. It's a cold case.

We out of town supplying the whole state. Nobody's found us for now. It's a cold state. Whole suit flow tailored. I was so fly. I told sugar I need the blazer with the bow tie. This ain't Tony With my Nolo Bitch it's Sosa

And with the flow I let it ghost ride Uh huh We are not competitors You should get your cheddar up Et cetera Et cetera Uh huh

I can do this shit forever bro Ain't nobody better No but you know To say that Yeah Yeah Yeah That part

Yeah I know Yeah I wish everybody Get to see on real camera that Eno is my nigga man. This is a moment for me. I know this guy mad lost in my mind man. Seriously, real shit. Real shit man. He the oldest boy in the nation. You my family.

I'm sorry. I get my fucking ass. I wish I had a Spider-Man hand. Nah, you know what I mean? You know what it is? I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank y'all. You know what I'm saying? I respect y'all. I love y'all. Your legacy is impeccable. The shit is real.

Continue to do what you got to do and bring that shit back together as well. There you go. As well. And I love the fact how you hold yourself. Love how you hold yourself. Thank you, sir. I love that.

Thank you, sir. And EFN, cheers to you guys. Cheers to you guys. Jamie, look at me. I got one more shot. Can we take one more shot? I went through the down this shit with you. Damn. What was that? You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you I need to go to the bathroom. You know we drinking Beyonce shit. Come here, Steve. How great are we drinking? What do you mean, though?

Paul Circle, did you get your answer? No, I need to come here right now. Please. No, not really. It don't matter. It was so beautiful, man. I was trying to get to the just of it. Oh, yeah, Steve D'Elia. Come over here. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying to get to the gist of it. Oh, yeah. Come on, man.

Come on, man. I got you. You got you. Yo, I got you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. This nigga Cease is like... That's my brother.

No, no, no. What? We shot at each other and went to court together. It's fucking fantastic. Steve's the realest. He's the first that never snapped on me. This nigga Steve. I don't snap on my niggas like that.

We don't do that. Steve's a good guy, man. Miami made me better, man. Miami made me better. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I made Miami I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I've been like seeing you at the end, man. I'm fifth year, man.

Fifth year, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fifth year. I'm on season five. Like an entourage. Get another two, yeah. Like an entourage. He's an alumni. I've never met a nigga as good as... You say he's an alumni. He's an alumni. No, I've never met a nigga as good as Humble.

You saying Cease is over? He's an alumni. Half Hallowearl member? No, half Hallowearl, half Drink Champs member. He's an alumni. Yo, you been Drink Champs. I told you Cease was on Jam On It. Cease was on Jam On It.

Cease was on Jam On It. Cease was on Jam On It. Cease, nigga, checked you off Jam On It? You know how you phone a friend? Yeah. He checked you off of Jam On It. I'm not a friend. I'm not a friend. I'm was gon' jam on it. Cease. Nigga chucked you off jam on it. You know how he's pulling a friend?

Yeah. He chucked you off a jam on it. I wanted him to rap a rapper like that. It was all good for me. What he said to you was like... I was a business move, man. I was entertainment. And I worked.

He was like, yo, Cease. He was dead... Bro, Cease was mace. No, no. Yo, that nigga... That nigga biggie. No, no, no. Cease was deadace. No, no, no. That nigga biggie. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the world as a good Amiskus crew? Yes. I was there. Yes. Cesar Leo was Cesar Leo. Cesar Leo was Cesar Leo. In certain respects. You're trying to stop me.

Because niggas want to be in Hollywood. No, no, no. Listen. You ain't want to be in Hollywood. No, no, no. Yo, when I was out, yo, that nigga Biggie was in a hospital. He had his biggie, like I said. When niggas talk all these stories about these things,

Biggie, yo, when I'm telling you, that nigga loves C's so much. He was just like, yo, C's in there for, he in there coming to see Biggie, like, nigga, C's out here fucking all the nurses and shit. You know, they got a lot of No Way Out stories.

Remember the No Way Out tour? Yeah, it was a lot of No Way Out. Yeah, yo, and there's a lot of No Way Out. There's a lot of no way out stories. Remember the no way out tour? I would like to hear that. Yeah, yo, and there's a lot of no way out. There's a lot of no way out. Yo, Cease, like, I love Cease. Because Cease is like, yo, that tour, he toured. Oh, my God. He toured with my brothers, man. Nah, but Cease, you know, every time I say it, we talk.

I don't think Cease getting no flowers, the fact that how humble. And Cease is experienced. How humble. You were 14, he was 14 That nigga C's He's a Leo His fingers smell better than yours He's a Leo, I'm a Leo

We automatically I'm better, I say yo C's You gotta come I'm like yo, C's is like I don't know how they drag me in Yo Yo We was only late tonight I'm like yo, C's is like... I don't know how they dragged me in. Yo, C's. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

We was only late. We was only late tonight for the record. Yo. During Champs for Staff. Because we started, we do apologize. We was only late for C's and Leo. Well, it was worth it. All right.

Yo, I'm like C's and Leo. Yo, yo, yo, yo. Kyrkos and Tony Polo right now. I'm like... I don't know. I don't like interviewing. I say, I'm like, yo, I'm like, C'so right now. I don't like interviewing all this stuff. I'm like, yo, I'm ready to see you. He like, yo, see, he's coming.

I told him to go have him drunk within an hour. And it happened. I know, yo. You know, we know so much shit. I was out. This is extended by another 30 minutes. Yeah, yeah. I already told him.

Would you like some champagne, sir? Would you like some champagne, man? No, I was with Nori. Because Nori, you know, he and Sonny. He had some more vodka. He and Sonny was over there chilling. I don't even know how I got here. You know why? You know why?

I was trying to stay home. Hold up, hold up. I was like, y'all live right next to me. He care of this tonight too. For the record, he's like, yo, I'm trying to stay home. I'm trying to stay home. I'm trying to stay home. I'm trying to stay home. I'm trying to stay home. Hold up, hold up. I was like, yo, I live right next to him. Yeah, he curved this tonight, too. For the record, he's like, yo, we went, met Steve.

We dropped, he dropped us off. He's like, I said, you come with your drinks? He said, I don't think so, guys. I'm like, yo, bro. He said, nah, I don't think so. I said, yo, Steve. I said, yo, we in Miami. I drink and have fun with these guys.

I said, yo, Steve. Yo, hold on. I was so nervous because I know so much shit. Besides that, we didn't even tap into it. I'm like, yo, C's, you got to come. I said, yo, C's. There's no way out, Tore. We in Miami. We from New York. Everything going on.

Everything going on. I'm like, yo, C's. I'm not, yo. You got to like. Yeah, yeah. No, a lot of shit going on. But C's, I'm like, yo, C's. Because we can start from certain shit.

Certain shit, I'm like, yo, I'm not going to drink. Me and y'all, like, you got to. There's so much shit that C's. You're not going to drink? Because I'm going to start letting out all types of secrets. No, no secrets. Not tonight. No, no.

We good. This shit is almost over. There you go we good. This shit is almost over. There you go, man. This shit is almost over. But I'm like, yo, what's going on? Like, yo, because, you know, like, because my thing is like, yo, what's the motive? Like, why now? You know what I'm saying?

Because of, so it's going on. Why now? To be on Drink Champs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No motive. No, no, no, no, no, no. Learn him a few things, Ethan. No, no, no, no. I mean, because, I mean, no, no, no, no, no. Learn them a few things, Ethan. No, no, no, no.

I mean, because I mean, put it out there because, you know, this shit puff going through. And this is like, well, you know. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yo, I don't want to You know, because We don't want any

But no, it's just like Why now? But why not then either? We was all waiting for y'all I had no idea So here's the thing On the surface, hold on, here's where you stop Check it out

On the surface, nobody on. Here's where you stop, right? Check it out. On the surface, nobody knows nothing. Everybody's assuming everything. The signal's going to get crossed, right? Right? Yes. The chances are signals are going to get crossed. That's what I'm saying. Let's, yo.

Yo, call this thing out. What am I thinking this thing out? I gotta figure this thing out, man. I just think everybody got it more. I'm gonna cry We love you guys. We love you, C.J. Leo. We love you, C.J. Leo. We thank you for being you. We love C.J. Leo love Cesar Leo, man.

Yo, bro. Yo, bro. We love Cesar Leo De Janeiro. Like, come on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Let me just say something. I know I said this somewhere, but whatever happened,

this is not talking about whatever happened. But me and this nigga was in community service. We're in Queens. We had beef. It was just beef. And then we had community service together. And we're like, yo. This is awkward. This is awkward. Yeah, we're like, we're looking at each other.

Should we fade? Should we fade? He got a broom, I got a broom. I'm like, what are we going to do? Like, hate each other with the broom? He's like, I don't think we belong here. I don't even think we was there. We got the same lawyer.

Bob Kalina. Bob Kalina. So he's looking. Why you walk off? That's what I'm saying. Hey, yo, bro. No, no, no. Me and O, that was like our first situation, right?

After all this shit with Fox and QB. And Kim, it wasn't no personal thing with me and him. That's why it was very easy for me and him to sit down. And just at one point, we were sitting down at our worst time. We in court. One place I don't want to meet my enemy. Yeah, right. You know, the judge put us together to do community service without without them knowing our situation.

That's the time when me and him got a chance. So, yo, bro, what we really beefing about? Yeah, I don't even know why we beefing. I don't got no issues with you. I don't even know why we beefing. I don't got no issues with you. I don't got no issues with you either. All right, what we going to do? Let's sweep.

Sweep and go to sleep. You still have. I went and drunk wild Pinot Grigio. That's been my brother since then. You know what I mean? Did you say earlier? It's just that simple. You know that's why I said that. That's a movie script right there.

No shit. He ain't gonna tell you about that. He like, no. That's the movie script. I'm gonna make a movie script over that. I walked in here so that nigga in court almost died. We in court. That was the only seat up for you.

The only seat. That's how you got yourself. Only did it. You good? Yeah. Only did this when it hit you how dumb this shit is. How dumb it was. Only did this when it hit you how dumb this shit is. How dumb it was.

Only thing that's going to get you how dumb this shit is. That's how old beef be, bro. I admire you and you admire me. You know, we in the Waze world. We got to have this encounter in the back of the courtroom.

It shows you how we did it. That's dumb. I'm like, yo, bro, T-O-N-Y. We took the tape from Nashim, bro. Like, he's dumb. That's dumb.

He had this shit before it was out Biggie called me and played me T.O.N.Y God bless me cause this is before he's in LA and he called me and he was like yo I'm doing the remix to this Biggie wanted to get on that record

this is years after now I see him in court do some street shit. We were just supporting our team. We went into each other, got the same lawyer. I'm like, yeah, cool. Let me fuck with you. Yeah, I'll fuck with y'all too.

It's just me and him. It's mad crackhead. It's crackhead. And I'm like, damn. What are we doing? what are we doing? Like, what are we doing? Like, what are we doing? I'm going to talk to my own boy.

I'm going to go back and talk to my people. And that's how from this day forward, yeah. Yep. And he got to him right into the hood lab. He came to the hood lab by himself. And I was like, this nigga is the real. Now he came to Brooklyn. Caesar might be the realest person. After the jail link? nigga is the real. Now he came to Brooklyn. After all that,

I was not came to Brooklyn. He came to the hood lab. He linked you at the hood lab? At the hood lab. I was like, damn, this nigga trusted me. I was like, it's over.

I got a show. You see why sticking together suddenly makes sense? Yo, I understand. Yo, that nigga Cease is like, that's a great guy. He might be the best person. He's way better than me. All great people. You know, like, like, see some. See some.

See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some.

See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some.

See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. See some. I'm not with that no more. I'm not a sucker for that. You're getting out your own way. You're getting out your own way. Let me talk about the champs.

I think this is the first one. I'm joking. I'm joking. Harlem World. Yeah, go back to my studio. Let me thank y'all man because you know

this is the closest one I'm closest to I speak to him all the time but doesn't mean that I'm not obligated to y'all the same way what y'all did how y'all the same way. What y'all did, how y'all came together, and the history y'all made.

Like, a lot of people don't know that. I was there. Like, how you kept saying, I was there? Yeah, nigga. It's reversed now. Yes. I was there. Like, I seen all the girls y'all had.

Yes. Damn. Goddamn. You saw some men? I God damn Don't let him fool y'all This guy was In the greatest way That shit was dope to see me Because you know what Queens we think we the flyest niggas

And y'all definitely think y'all the flyest niggas Definitely Don't say that Don't say that every day, B. No, no, no, stop, stop. Don't say thanks. We are. Go ahead.

No, I guess what? I'm going to show you I love. I love that shit. I love that shit because, you know, and by the way, like, Harlem pushed Queens to be who we are. But Harlem was the first. That was like the first black community that was ever assembled.

And you got to remember, even Brooklyn and Queens, the reason why it's called Kings County and the reason why it's called Queens County is because the kings from Europe wanted to stay in Brooklyn. And the queens

wanted to stay in Queens. Harlem has always been Harlem. Always been the blackest shit in the mother fucker. The Mecca. Malcolm. In the greatest way ever. So I want to look at y'all face to face, man to man.

I say I thank y'all for making Harlem. I mean, not y'all making Harlem. Small spectrum of Harlem. But rapid Harlem. Making sure Harlem gets its name. And then naming yourself Harlem World. Big five. That is honorable.

That is real. And I want to salute y'all for that. Thank you, man. Everything that I ever see and I look back, the first black free community has always been Harlem. Mm hmm. You know what? You know what? I'm going to say this.

Don't come. Harlem really needed this because one thing about Harlem is what the fuck you said right now, we don't even say to each other. Like, no, no, no. So when you think of Harlem, right, it's like I'm from the east side, right? It's east side versus everybody. It's some Saint Nick's versus everybody. It's from 40. So the whole thing is this.

Niggas are saying they're from Harlem, but I'm from this part. So what you said right now is what we do. So what I'm saying is we from Harlem. So I mentioned Alpo, right? Alpo will go out of town,

do whatever he did, and nigga will be like, yo, he said Harlem, and nigga be like, yo, he said Harlem, nigga. He be like, yo, you from Harlem? Yeah, but I'm from the west side. You're going to say we're killed. So what we did was we represented Harlem. And I think that Harlem don't really love each other. Harlem were a myth, right?

Yeah, so that's the mindset. Why we did this is because Mino, Cardi Me, Lung Represent The whole Harlem Niggas be like Say naked versus everybody

Harlem is different I've been to Harlem 139th street don't like 40th Polo ground Polo ground 3 No no block over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Polo ground three. No, no, no. But the whole thing is this. By you saying that, it's the outside looking in.

You know what I'm saying? The outside looking in. By you saying that. No, no, no, no. It might, it might. But the whole thing is this. If you go to jail, Brooklyn, Queens, they sticking together. They're unified.

They're unified. Harlem, we not like that. I don't know why, but I appreciate. No, no, no, no, but I appreciate the fact. It's the gift. It's the gift. It's the gift. It's the gift.

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It's the gift. It's the gift. would sacrifice whatever for home. What Mace did, putting on the shiny suit. What Cam did. What Jim did. What Vada. For the town.

You know what I'm saying? Me doing the World Rack song, knowing that I was done. Is that, is that really? Essentially, he's sacrificing. Yeah, sacrificing. Let me tell you something.

His blinky blinky blink my nigga I be up I did I already knew but you know what it's for Harlem alright

so right now at this point we in we got a lot of Harlem rappers out there yeah and we for y'all yeah

you know what I'm saying because we need that because that's what I'm here for name some young'uns. Oh, man. We talking about my man Celine Dion. He got Cougar Food coming out real soon.

Name Celine Dion. Yeah. That's what we playing with. Cougar Food, right? And then we got my man Ray Moolah from the east side. Yeah, Ray Moolah. Looking out for him. One of my homies, Big Tom.

My son, Made By Means, who making a lot of beats. Who else in Harlem that needs shouting? The whole harlem we got pyrex p of course we got a young guy coming up we got my sister lady matt that's doing it um we just got a lot of we got a trade we got a trade we got we we got a trade we got next books we got dave we got j Nick Books. We got Dave Bees. We got Jim Jones. We got everybody. Essentially, we all fucking Voltron. Yeah, we got A$AP Rocky. We got A$AP Ferg. When the Olympics happen, it's the USA.

When the Olympics happen, it's the USA. I'm with you. I'm with you. But what I'm saying is, we got Hall and I don't give a fuck. We got Cam. We got... It is what it is. Cameron Mays show.

We got Jim Jones. We about Harlem. You know what I'm saying? Regardless of what. You know we for Voltron. Let's give it up for Voltron. Thank y'all so much. We're going to take a picture.

Yes, yes, yes. You're going to do some drive-thru. Let me give my moment real quick. Since the incubation, eight years, whatever the duration of time is. What's that word mean?

Incubation is just the incubator stages when it really starts in the beginning. We're going to fin another incubation. It's just the incubator stages when it really starts in the beginning. Okay. We're going to finagle the bagel. All right? I'm going to take a bagel. Take it out. Yeah, take it out. Yeah, take it out.

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