Drink Champs - Episode 436 w/ Tyson Beckford

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legend himself, Tyson Beckford!Supermodel & actor Tyson Beckford joins us to share his journey! Tyson speaks on personal relationships and professional choices.Tyson shares stories of becoming the first male supermodel, his acting career and the challenges he’s faced throughout his professional career and much much more.Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise for Tyson Beckford!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper he's a miami hip-hop pioneer one of his dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts every day is new year's eve it's time for drink champs drink up for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be over this with us? It's your boy N-O-R-E. What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And this motherfucker Drink Champs, Yappy Owl, makes some noise!

And this brother here has changed the game. He has made it through levels that people that look like me, that look like us, have not been through. He has broke down doors, broken down barriers. At times, if you didn't know how to get fly, you could open up a magazine and see how fly this brother was in there and representing us. Tattoos and all that. Latino, got Latino in him. Tattoos and all that. Latino.

Got Latino in him. And don't get him mad. He starts speaking Patois on your ass. That's why it's Spanish. He'll hit you with a Jamaican. Whatever. Gun specialist. A lot of people don't know that.

Sleeps with an AR-15 if you play with him. Has his Russian girlfriend. That's what he calls it he's a man that represented for us when we wasn't represented in certain areas and did it continue to do it and being himself still doing it producing his own movies all this crazy stuff we're getting into it all we're gonna give him his flowers today my friend mother only motherfucking t only motherfucking Tyson Yes, my man, how are you doing man? I'm good man. I'm here

I'm trying to make this happen for a while though. We have been we have been I'm serious about um, like you know you my I appreciate everything you just said But besides you being my friend I wanted wanted to do my due diligence and research. And every time I was researching, I was like, damn. Because you were looking at what you did. But then you were looking at the time you did it. Right? So what you did back then might seem normal to the kids now.

Because these opportunities are there for these quote unquote supermodels. We did all of this. But you were like the first one. Yeah. Like the first. these opportunities are there for these quote on quote supermodels or these guys. You were like the first one. I'm not going to lie to you. It was at one point Tommy Hilfiger and Polo. Yeah, and Ralph.

They always was like, are they racist? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember single-handedly, this is when I didn't know you at the time. Yeah. You popping out on that Ralph ad and me being so proud. Like, yo, that's a brother up there. That's my ninja, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So, and I see you got a long-standing relationship with Ralph. Yeah, yeah. When you heard when it was like that, how did it hit someone like you? I mean, meeting him and just understanding him. I mean, he's Jewish. Right. So there's never going to be blacks and Jews get along for a long time.

Yes, yes. That's very true. So there was never that. Whoever made that up was a hater from jump. So that was never true. So when I had tackled that and then same thing with Tommy, Tommy ain't never said it neither. So Tommy was like the first to really embrace hip hop like that. Ralph did it on a smooth way where it wasn't so blatantly out there.

But, you know, they both was, they're both real nice guys and they both about their business and they really respect and love the culture. You know what I mean? I'm not going to say black community because it's bigger than that. It's bigger than that. It's bigger than that. But they respect the culture. Because I remember it was like three brands at one time. It was Tommy, Ralph, and then it was Timberland.

And Timberland did say something. Yeah, they did. That one I don't know about, but I'm going to believe that one. I ain't going to lie. I believe that one. I believe they fixed their structure because I'm not going to lie. I didn't stop wearing Timberland. Yeah, yeah.

It was like so much of a New York stable. Yeah, it was. It really was. I don't wear Timbs today, but yeah, I got you. I'll be down here. That's why you live out here, right? You live out here. Your last three videos, I see. Your interviews.

And you got on a nice shirt. And I assume that's polo as well. This? No. This is the Gunn brand. Gunn brand? If you look that's polo as well. This? No. Okay. This is the gun brand. Gun brand? If you look at it. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit.

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So one thing about you is like. Heckler and Koch. Okay. For those who don't know. One thing about you. They are the Rolls Royce. You heard H&K. They are the Rolls Royce of guns. Of guns.

Yeah. Okay, one thing I know about you. But the best ever. And one thing I've witnessed about you. I asked this to Genuine. Yeah. And Genuine laughed very witnessed about you, I asked this to Ginuwine, and Ginuwine laughed very hard. I said, yo, Ginuwine, has guys ever been the target of you because

of their girl, their woman being attracted to you? Oh, yeah. That's what kind of got me to start caring because... Oh, shit. I don't want to use the N-word, but ninjas will be really upset with you. You don't even know this man, woman. You ain't had nothing to do with it.

But might pull up to you in traffic and be like, hey, yo, my girl like you. I'm like, my man, I'm a sex symbol. What you want me to do? We can pull over handlers like gentlemen and we can talk about it right now but you know i mean you do get those kind of threats i mean back in the day i used to get all kind of threats right you know i mean because i used to chill in left rack and i had cousins up there big shout out to the brazil wilderness so i used to move around the city and yeah, I used to get threats.

But I was always, you know what I mean? One thing my late brother taught me was, you know, always keep a strap. No matter how famous you get, no matter how many bodyguards you have, always keep a strap. Because if you got one and your bodyguards got one, you good. You know what I mean? But your late brother also was the one who told you to stay in the business. Yeah, he said to get out of the street. You had the talent.

He told me to get out of the street. He said, look, you got a talent. You got something. And streets ain't going to do nothing for you, but put you dead or locked up. So, you know, I took that advice and I left the streets. But always connected to the streets. Always. Now, recently, you know, like I said, I was doing my due diligence.

Yes, yes. I love when you do your research. I'm watching interviews of you. And this is two things I didn't know. But I co-signed something else. One thing I didn't know is your affiliation to the Shower Posse. Yes. That shit was in goosebumps too, man.

I was like, wait a minute. I was like one of the youngest members. Wait, you were a member of the show? I thought you just ran around. I ran around them. You got to explain to people who don't know about Shower Posse. I didn't get dragged in it. Okay, all right.

Let me just say, in two different decades, I was indicted twice. Yes. I was indicted by the feds twice in two different decades. The 80s? Yeah, the 80s I got indicted. At that time, I was 17

and in high school, upstate New York in Rochester. Everybody know Rochester. I'm not from Rochester. I went 17 and in high school, upstate New York in Rochester. Rochester, right? Yeah, everybody know Rochester. I'm not from Rochester. I went to school in Rochester. My grandmother had a house up there. She tried to get me out of the city to keep me alive and keep me out of trouble. So then in the 90s, I got into some shit with sex money murder.

In the Bronx? Yo, what the fuck are you even doing, man? Bro. You know what? Let me explain. Can I say something before you be doing, man? Yo, let me explain. By the way, can I say something before you go?

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just say something. Let me say, hold on. Let me do you. Let me... By the way, whichever is colder, can you pop for me?

Whichever one is the coldest. Sex, money, murder. Yeah. It's probably one of the most notorious gangs in the Bronx. The leader name is Pistol Pete.

Still locked up to this day. But they all, if you hear the expression Peter, when they say Peter, they mean that they're bodying something. So if they say Peter Roller, you say something like that, that was their slang.

That was their slang. To kill somebody. Wet t-shirt the king. But that was similar, it was the same. Let me go to the shower posse now. Shower posse is, now quote unquote,

this is just what I'm saying. There's Jamaicans in here that can co-sign this. Not just me. I'm American, goddammit. But this is what I know from my... Now you're American. No, I'm not saying that. That's not American.

But shower posse is one of the most notorious Jamaican Brooklyn gangs that was coming from... From Jamaica. From Jamaica. They were in Miami, too. Yeah. All the East Coast, Texas. Brooklyn gangs that was coming from from Jamaica Jamaica and they were Miami to Texas at this point when I heard of them it was really a Brooklyn Jamaica Queens thing Yeah, right and I'm talking about this was Jamaicans running wild. They had the real belts on yeah, the real Jamaican Not the Haitian ones

Respect son, you know not not the not the haitian ones you know what i'm saying no disrespect sonny no disrespect and then i'm gonna say the third gang that he was related to later but we're gonna start so okay yeah okay so you got into it with sex money murder i need to hear how this happens well me and pete was friends oh okay okay that makes sense um you know i used to hang out in soundview and pete and i was know, we was bikes and cars guys. You know what I mean? And whenever Pete came around me, he always came around me just chill, you know, cool. And, I mean, you remember what Pete looked like?

He looked innocent as fuck. He was cool. Like, I never seen nothing. Yeah, he was cool. He was innocent. Pete never got a, you never saw a mask. Right, yep. But there was also another side of Pete that we didn't see.

And Pete never showed me that side. I'm glad I ain't never seen it. But when somebody had gotten bagged, they turned him into an informant. Okay. So the informant named me as the financier, the money runner of a whole sex money murder. And you were a model at that time? I was with them. was i was i was signed the ralph heavy wait a minute i was in maybe my third fourth year signed the route and

i'm down at the uh uh u.s district attorney's office with my lawyer ed hayes at the time and if you know ed hayes you know who he represents all the gangsters in the Bronx. So Ed was there with me. And I remember sitting in that office and they had me around a round table asking me all kind of questions like, yo, how you know this one? How you know that one? I said, look, man, I'm in the street. You know, you're like, well, ain't you supposed to be the poster boy for this and that? I said, yeah, but I got to go home. I said, I'm not going to not run in the street where i live all of a sudden because i got money

now you know what i mean so for me um you know us hanging out being at jet uh grant's tomb and all these places yeah we used to always yeah holland week you know i used to always be seen around them you know hanging out and you know and we'd be popping bottles on the sidewalk whatever but as far as like you know in the streets doing whatever they was doing i wasn't i wasn't in there like that but you know the informant went snitching and said all these things and you know both place both um decades it was an informant that told on me now did you have to prove that that yeah yeah yeah i have to i mean um Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to. The gangster thing about the first indictment was they had

me on wiretaps. I mean, pages like this. I'm like 17. I'm on there talking to one of the lieutenants. He's like, yo, what you up to tonight? I said, yo, I just got this girl. My girlfriend's over the house.

He said, yo, it's about time. Y'all going to get it in? Nigga, they got my, when I first lost my virginity on the wiretap. I'm like telling him, yo, she bled all over the sheets. I don't know what I'm going to do. My mom was out of town.

I'm talking to him. He's like, yo, go wash the sheets. He's telling me what to do. So that was a virgin crime. Yeah, it was a virgin. But like all my wiretaps was, all right, I'll meet you over here. I'll go over there and do that. You know, but it was never like, all right, I'm going to go pick it up. You know what I mean?

Right. And it was like, for me, what I did with them was I would take one someplace. He'd be holding a bag. Go pick him up. Take him another place. what I did with them was I would take one someplace, he'd be holding a bag, go pick him up, take him another place. And then one time I had come home from school and I remember this distinctly. I walk into this, we was in this brand new condo complex in a spot called Corn Hill in Rochester.

And some of your viewers and listeners might know this neighborhood. This was like a upper echelon neighborhood. So it wasn't like, you know. The hood. Yeah, the hood. So I'm carrying a backpack and I'm just walking down the street

and I feel like, damn, I'm being watched. I feel like somebody's watching me. So I go into the house where a couple of lieutenants are. Okay. In the house is an AK-47 that, you know, they was like,

yo, can you come and look at it? And, you know, because I always, since I was young. These people are sex murderers. No, this is shower posse. Okay. Oh, are you switching shower posse?

Yeah. So this is, yeah, we get that. Yeah. So, you know, I was mechanically inclined my whole life. Still am.

Still can fix anything. So I said, all right, let me look at it. Got it going, it's cycling correctly. Back then I was doing shit with bare hands. What was I thinking? Anyway. You took apart the weapon?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Put it back together, you know, just lightly cleaned off the top, but didn't think to clean the interiors, but hey, that gun is gone and lost somewhere now. It's, you know, that's 40 plus years now. So, you know, who do you think's at the door?

The feds. Hell yeah. This is the second time. This is the first time. They come in the house. Okay. And they sit us on the couch. On the couch is the AK.

It's underneath the cushion. I had just shoved that bitch under there. And I was like, fuck. And I ain't supposed to be over here. You know? So it's just the three of us. So they sit us on the couch and they start rifling through the house. Meanwhile, in the freezer is three fucking keys of coke.

And I'm like, and I'm starting to talk to them. I say, yo, Reggie, where I going? Tell me what is in the house. Him say, it tinged me and I fucking freeze like, yeah, my brother. I said, what? And the cop say,

what did you say? Meanwhile, I'm like this. You know, we all hang out. Good morning, Calgary. And then I'm just like, all right, nobody move, nobody say nothing else to the man that when them come, we're all handcuffed. And then I'm just like, all right, nobody moved. Nobody said nothing else to the man that when them come, let me do the talking. So the guy come and he's like talking to me and he's like,

let me see ID. So I give him my school ID. He's like, yo, you go to school here? Because the school I went to was like a rich kid's school. So he was like, what are you doing over here? I said, I live up the street. I said, what are you doing with these two friends oh they're friends of of mine he said all right well you know these guys are you know we're watching them you know we think this is no this

is this is up in rochester rochester okay so they you know it was like yo these are suspected guys of such and such i said i don't know them like that i said they they just cool guys you know and i just you know came over to watch TV with them. How old are you, like 16, 17? I'm like 17, bro. And the two that I'm with, they're not too much older than me. You're dealing with 19 and 20 right here. And they just come off the boat from Jamaica.

They have no fucking paperwork. They have no paperwork. Because they're, you know, they're shooters, really. So anyway, I'm there talking to them. I tell the cop, I say, look, you know, are you done? There's nothing in the house. And they're you know they're shooters really right so anyway i'm there talking to them i'll tell the cop i said look you know are you done there's nothing in the house and they're like all right so one goes in the fridge but it never go in the freezer so he went in the fridge and he was like there was nothing in there because there's no food in there because this is just a a house to leave coke and anyway they the guy they leave and then you know i'm talking to

them i say yo what the fuck is going on? How you know them guys? I got to come. They say, yo, they maybe follow you. I said, them can't follow me because we didn't come the normal way that I come. So I say, okay, well, don't worry about it. I say, yo, but you got to take everything out of this house. Don't do it today because they're going to be watching you for a while.

And this was your career? No, this was just a stat trip. Okay, okay. Yeah, but, you know, that was one of the instances where I was like, and luckily he seated all three of us on that couch. Wow. Because underneath that couch.

With your prints all over it, too. Yeah, with my shit all over it. So I would have went down, but, you know, yeah, man. It was just that everyday life back then, you know, with the shower posse. Okay, so we established? The 80s, yeah. Shower posse.

Yeah, so when the indictments came down, I was dragged in it. And then by the time they went through the evidence, you know, they had not too many photos of me anyplace. They had my fingerprints nowhere. Luckily, that gun went somewhere. I don't know where it went. But, yeah, that was pretty much. I don't know where it went. But yeah, that was pretty much a lot of the shit that I went through as a teenager, man. I was always in some shit.

Being chased by the cops. I didn't know where I was going to end up, bro. Never thinking I'm going to end up here on drink champs. Gotcha. So we established some connection to the child posse. We you some connection to the child posse

we established some connection to a sex money murder right yeah well one of the craziest connections that you have

with a New York City street gang and this is my favorite because of how the story plays out okay is low life oh

that's why you being down with low life yeah now I heard you say that you didn't really Technically steal When they were stealing No when they were stealing

I wasn't stealing Yeah But you was getting the clothes When they broke Yeah yeah yeah They were breaking I was like yo We got your stuff

No but his was It makes it dope The fact that you were Younger doing that And then when you were older You got actually hired From Ralph Lauren Yeah

But you never had The job that Yeah Nah I used to be down Yeah Well he ended up you got actually hired Rob LaRae. But you never had the job. Yeah, no. I used to be down with you. Well, he ended up embracing it, too. Yeah, he embraced it. So me and Thurston is like this. Shout out Thurston, man.

Shout out my brother Thurston. But yeah, man, I mean, it was just, you know, I'd been wearing it my whole life, you know, from my teenage years all the way up to grown man. And I mean, it was just like, it was, I don't know, it was almost surreal that I got signed to the brand. And I mean, these people were playing me millions, millions, bro. And I had 40, yeah, yeah, 45, yeah, 45 days of the year. I was, those were contract days.

So I didn't have to go to work every day. Sometimes I wouldn't go to work for six months. That's why you would run into me in Miami. I'd be all over the place. I'd be in LA. I got tired of chilling in the city. So after I done bought every sports car, you remember I bust a block

with a Ferrari and a drop top rolling around. From all of that and then the AMG Benzes. And, you know, I had a good time. And then I started coming to Miami. I meet Phil the Mayor. I meet Peter Thomas. You know, I meet Mike and I meet Mr. Lee.

All bad promoters. Yes, yeah, all bad promoters. But you know where I'm going with this. You know where I'm going with this. Where were we at now? Come on now. We were at Boobtrap. Not Boobtrap.

Boobtrap wasn't around back then. No, it wasn't around back then. Where they used to sell Call the Cab. Oh, where's Willys? Where's Willys? Yo. That's it.

That's where I met all the usual suspects. Before we go there, I'm going to tell you something that I thought about as soon as we locked in the interview with you. We used to hang out, and I don't know if we ever planned this.

This is a different part of us hanging out. But this was in Jersey at a car wash. I would always see you, and I thought about this car wash. I was like, how? You talk about this car wash. I used to see Ice-T there. Yeah, Ice-T.

Yep, yep. All of us used to go there. It's like fabulous. I see Joe Buttons there. Everybody used to see Ice-T there. Yeah, Ice-T. Yep, yep. All of us used to go there. It's like fabulous. I see Joe Buttons there. Everybody used to go there. There was one car wash. And I'm like, I don't fucking hip hop car wash.

Yo, are you going to lie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they call it? Hollywood car wash. You start calling it after a while. But I always said this car wash dropped the ball. Like, they all have pictures of us.

We all take pictures of each other. But we take it in front of this car wash. And I'm thinking like, how the fuck did the owner say, let me buy this right? Yeah. Because it was like

a safe zone for us. It was a safe zone. You know what I'm saying? All of us came from New York. Yep. And we all live in Jersey. And we were all kind of fresh. Yeah.

Because this was like New York, New Jersey. Yeah. For lack of a better term. You can see New York. You can smell New York. Yeah. But your safety is very much New Jersey. Yeah. For lack of a better term. You can see New York, you can smell New York. Yeah. But your safety is very much uplifted.

Yeah, very different. Yes. Very different. You remember those days? I remember those days, bro. And you used to come through with a different car every goddamn day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You too. So, like, you see, like, I know you've been in Zoolander. Like, you see how this, quote unquote you've been in Zoolander. Like, you see how this, quote, unquote, because you were, like, the first male, I think they called, supermodel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I came up with the girls. So, you know, I had Naomi as a big sister. Naomi, yes.

I had Claudia. You know, I had all of them as big sisters. So they was really embracing to me because I was so street. I came in Looking hip hop I mean hat backwards Yankees hat Timbaland Wife beater

You know Baggy jeans Did they ever try to Change that for you? Yeah was that a difficult Adjustment? Because a lot of the clients Who complain and say

Oh we can't We can't see his body I mean And then I'd be like Alright Take my shirt off Take a picture For the Polaroids

And they'd be like Oh okay You know And then That would get me Jobs book And they'd be like oh okay you know and then that would get me jobs booked and they'd be like yo why is he always got on these baggy clothes so they started making me a little bit more tapered which I was getting grown anyway so you know I started getting my grown man on and just you know I evolved with the time you know always that was crazy with me my father I'm like the exact opposite of my father i can't

put together a vcr i can't put together yeah yeah yeah i can't do nothing um but but my father had nothing but tattoos and earrings and i have i have no tattoos right yeah yeah that's true you don't have any when i i don't know if i'm trying to be the exact opposite of my father or just i didn't have the the feel for that now so when I used to meet girls, that was like when I became a rapper, that was one of my second questions. I used to ask them, you ever date a rapper? Yeah. To me, whoever else human, I don't give a fuck. Yeah.

I just don't want you to be fucking DMX and I got to see it. Yeah, that's it. I got to see it. Actually, I did play that rap before. I think a lot of us back then, we were trying to stay away from all the industry girls. I used to say, yo, did you ever mess with a rapper? She'd say no. And then I'd say, you got tattoos.

Yeah. Right? Because I became not attracted to that because that wasn't what I was. Has there ever been a time where, you know, a person filmed you and said, you know what? Can we cover up his tattoos? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had that for a while. Yeah.

And what they would do, they would fix it in post, like airbrush it and stuff like that. But like for polo jeans, they would let it ride. Okay, wow. RL jeans, they would let it ride for that because it was more free, and then they knew I rode motorcycles and all of that. But then when it came to like purple label and the suits,

then yeah, I was always pretty much covered up, all the way up to the neck you know so yeah we had we had those errors but now it's like i mean i'm i'm sleeved off on both arms and legs everything so i don't care now so so so one time i did a um a fashion show right okay i didn't like it. I didn't like it. It's because I just wasn't used to it because how they moved, like, it was normal. Like, to me,

it wasn't normal to see somebody else naked that I don't know. And they just be in, like, full, like, full comfortability. So, when you backstage on the fashion show...

Yeah, everyone changes in front of everybody. If I'm doing Carhartt, let's just say... It's a co-ed locker room. Yeah, it's a co-ed locker room. It's something way iller than that, but for lack of a better term, it's like that. So I remember me seeing,

I would walk back there, and then I'm getting dressed, and I'm seeing a naked lady, and I'm like, okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, and they won't have a full conversation with you. And they're just talking, and I'm like, wait a minute. You want to put on something, she's just normal. And then you realize, you got to do

the same thing. You're like, oh, this is how it was. Oh, you're not going to turn around? Like,

what do you mean? Turn around. Turn around, go ahead. So, in the beginning though, yeah, I got tried

in the beginning, yeah. What do you mean tried? I mean like, basically, like how you felt, like yo, I'm not going

to change here. You're like, no, you got to change here. I'm like, no, I don't. But that, but I was still, you know what I mean? I was still two guns back then. So I had, I had, you know, I had my backpack. Not in the past, Joe, man. Yeah, bro!

It took me a minute. It took me a minute to like stop carrying it every day. And you know what I mean? And then if I wasn't carrying it, I'd make sure somebody else got one. And, you know what I mean? I had to get comfortable with putting it down. Right. So I had to put it down.

How did you get comfortable about, you know, like, being in an uncomfortable situation? Well, I mean, I'm having full conversations with naked girls. Right. Like, they're just in front of me talking. You must have just become normal. And it's eye, yes, eye contact. I'm not even looking down. What do you describe

the first three times this happened? The first three times was like... Did you make them uncomfortable? Well, I made them probably feel uncomfortable. That's what I'm saying. I'm looking up and down like, ah, damn.

They're like, he don't know protocol. He don't know protocol. I'm like, okay. So me, I ain't scared to throw my dang things. I came out of my thoughts. I'm like, yeah, what you doing? Oh't scared to throw my dang things. I came out of my thoughts. I'm like, yeah, what you doing?

Oh, you want to hang out now, huh? Okay. Yeah, so. Yeah, I had a good time. Because, you know, I always describe that. Because I did it twice. I did it twice. I described my experience.

You're not normal if you're not uncomfortable in the beginning. Wait, wait, wait. So you was a runway model? Damn, you're going to put it like that? I had to think about it. But yeah, I think it was for some hip hop. I think it was for like Echo. Yeah, probably like Esco or Echo.

Yeah, like I swear to God. But what it was was they were the only hip hop brand in the fashion industry. Right, right. Remember, they got on before FUBU did. So it was was they were the only hip-hop brand in the fashion industry. Right, right. They didn't tell me that. They got on before FUBU did. So it was something like that. So I was just there, and I'm with them, but everyone else around me, they're real fashion people.

They're sitting there, like he said, they're talking. And then what was it? Magic, um... Um, Vegas? Yeah. Magic show. Magic show. Magic show, yes, yes.

Yeah. That was, that was fun show. That was some yes. Yeah. That was, that was fun show. That was some shows. Yeah. Now that we talk about Vegas, we've got to announce that on November 16th, Drink Chance will be doing

a live taping. Oh shit. With Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. Goddamn. In Vegas. Thank you, Mr. Collins.

Shout out to Complex College, Green and Dogg. In Vegas. They're my family right there. Yeah, yeah, man. I'm close with Dre and Snoop. My son played for Snoop's football team.

And then Dre directed the video with me and Fifth. Yeah, that's when you and Fifth had a fight. Yeah, that's it. You had a play fight, but you snuck him. Yeah, well, we went to the side and we had a discussion. There's not a lot of people that can say you snuck. Exactly. So we had a discussion.

I said, yo, you want to make this video real? Let's go at it for real. He was like, I'm cool. You cool? All right, let's go. But then there's a lot of people who say they sn at the gym. Exactly. So we had a discussion. I said, yo, you want to make this video real? Let's go at it for real. He was like, I'm cool. You cool? All right, let's go. But then a lot of people say they snuffed type of investment. Yeah, but then we got you. That's true.

So we had, we didn't tell his security. Right. His security almost jumped in. Yeah, it's almost, yeah, yeah, yeah. They thought I was going, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Hold on now. I can imagine you in a karate stance.

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The craziest thing about you is, again, me doing the research and having people around me and I had to turn and look at them and just say, yo, this guy's the furthest thing from a sucker in the world. Oh yeah, no, we're both sucker free. A lot of people think because you're a pretty boy, I don't call you a pretty boy, but you're attractive yeah. No, we were sucker free. A lot of people think because you're a pretty boy.

They don't understand. I don't call you a pretty boy, but you're attractive to people. No, I get it. I get it. That was my nickname back growing up, pretty boy. And I had to,

my mom knew that too, so that's why she sent me to martial arts, like boxing, all those things, and I started working out and all that because there wasn't a day I didn't get tried. Wow. If it was on the train, I was taking the bus,

I was just walking down the block. They just tried me all the time. Right. And I always used to have to lay them out. I count to this day. That's dumping your mom in that foresight, though. 38 street fights. Okay.

And no losses. But let me just ask you. Maybe a draw somewhere in there, but that's because the cops broke that shit up. Otherwise, it would have kept going. Didn't you try to fight DJ Ruckus with two people? Oh, yeah, I beat the shit out of him and his homeboy. That's a whole other thing. And then he didn't

think I was like that. And his homeboy? I chased him, and then he called his homeboy. So I'm chasing him on my motorcycle doing wheelies coming out of shit, what was it, up and down at the time. And, you know, this dude was like giving me the finger,

talking crazy. And I just took off my, I had this chain on that night and I wrapped it around my fist in the club. That's a big punch. Yeah, big cubit. So I wrapped it around my fist

because he surrounded me with the club security and four other suckers. So I turned to the suckers and I was like, yo, y'all don't want this. They backed up. Security said, I want nothing to do this.

And he went outside and stood next to an NYPD officer. I said, nigga, I don't give a fuck about the police. Cop did this, slid over. I said, what you going to do now? Then he ran and got in the cab and I had to go back in the club, get my helmet and my motorcycle jacket and finish my beer and then go after him. So I had to chase several cabs to figure out which one he was in, found it. And then when I caught him on, what is it, 3rd Avenue and 20th Street, I beat the brakes out that boy.

And y'all was friends at one point. Yeah, we were friends at one point, but the nigga was fucking my girl behind my back. So, you know, party foul. He got to get that ass whooped. He later apologized a few years ago. And, you know, we cool, but I just say, yo, you stay on your side, Tom. I stay on mine. I thought it was a decision that they both made and came to you.

And then y'all caught beef later. Because he had this to do with another club, right? Yeah, but he was talking to her long before they came to me and addressed it. I found out. You know what I mean? I found out. And then now, I mean, I look at it now. I was like, yo, I'm so glad you helped me with that one.

Word. I dodged a bullet with that one. And, you know, I stayed with the Kevlar on, but that bullet just went. I was like the Matrix. It was good. And that's what made me leave New York and move to Miami. Really? Yeah, that whole breakup.

I had to get the fuck out of Dodge. Why do you think Miami takes up better? Because she was popping up everywhere I was at. Every little spot that I took her to, she was bringing this clown. And I was like, ah, come on, really? I'm in my hookah spot blowing, and then here these two come. I'm like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember her. So I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

Yeah, Mr. Lee. You don't know Mr. Lee. Mr. Lee know a lot of girls that I dated. A lot of girls that I dated. But it wasn't that one. It was a different one. But anyway, yeah. Okay.

So, you know, I just got, I came down, and that's what got me to start writing, man. Because I was writing, yeah, I was writing before. And it's just, the breakup was so bad, I started writing some violent shit. Horror movies? No, no. Just regular street cat stuff. You know what I mean? I'm going to kill my girl.

No, no, not like that. Just, you know, drug deals gone bad girl no no not like that just you know drug deals gone bad you know torture and all kinds of stuff so i started writing like like crazy and i just started like putting this all together and i said yo i got something here and i would let people read them and people read them and be like oh this is crazy so i then got with this writer um adam targum he used to do do a show on Cinemax called Banshee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember the tomahawk scene?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, my boy wrote that. So I started showing him what I was writing. He was like, yo, this shit is fire. But then he was like, yo, tell me about you. So I told him my whole life story. Right. And then that's when he said to me, yo, fuck all this other shit that you wrote.

Let's tell the pretty boy story. And then that's when he said to me, yo, fuck all this other shit that you wrote. Let's tell the Pretty Boy story. So I got a development deal off of that now. What's the name of that? And it's called Pretty Boy. That's dope. I can see that on Netflix right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's coming. I can see that on Netflix

right now. So I hired Rob Hardy, who used to do all the Raising Canaan and all the 50 Cent joints. Yeah, all of his stuff. So I just recently hired him. We go location scouting in January back home. So I'm trying to film 90s era. Television show?

New York City, yes. Scripted series. Yeah, scripted series. And basically, I got one of the best production companies in the world behind me. And, you know, I'm just trying to put this out here. And I want to bring back a mix of like House of Gucci meets The Wire. You know what I mean? Just I want to tell the whole story.

I never saw House of Gucci, but I saw The Wire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the glamour of House of Gucci because behind the velvet rope of that era that we lived, we had the Kurt Cobains. We had all, you know, 90s really set the structure for what we all doing now that helped us afford what we got. Our Rolexes, our Benzes, or whatever it is we got. The 90s really set that for us. But we cannot say the 80s didn't have an influence. I mean, the Cold Cross Brothers and Bambada and all that. I'm broke all day. that for us but we cannot say the 80s didn't have an influence i mean you cold cross brothers and

and bombada and all that i'm broke all day so for me i know the history and putting this show together i wanted to show all of that so i reached out to shabba ranks i reached out to barrington levy i reached out to all the gunmen that i know right and then um then this person in Jamaica connected me with TJ, who does the Drift song. So I was like, got on the phone with him, and I'm like, yo, TJ, I need you to play my sidekick in this pretty boy where we're going to redo parts of the shower. Wow.

And then we call them, instead of calling them shower, we call them the wet posse. Because, you know, you got to change the little names. Yeah, keep the innocent innocent and the guilty quiet.

So, you know, with this show, I'm bringing back, you know, rappers from the 90s. Hen, Hen,

Hen. I'm in. Yeah, yeah, I need you. I'm in. Because you look the same. I'm in,

I'm in. Don't worry about it. And I'm in Rewinding Time. That's it. That's what happens. Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? That's it.

Let me get one of these. Let me get one of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is one of the things that I'm doing now. I'm producing that. And then I got another one called Throttle, which I want to film here. I heard about Throttle. Okay, so Throttle is like Miami Vice meets Heat, meets Fast and Furious, meets Biker Boys.

Meets James Bond. Yeah, meets James Bond. It's here, and it's all about modern-day time, modern-day guns, cars, bikes, everything, helicopters, go-fast boats, everything. So when I wrote that one, that was what I originally was shopping. I shopped that to Vin Diesel's production, 50s production. Everybody was like, yo, this is hot, but we got something we're coming with, this like this. I was like, okay, whatever, you know, let me see you do it, you know. But I got the NDA on my stuff.

So, you know, been shopping that one around Hollywood. But now I'm starting to get another spark to see that one come out. Now people want to see that one. Because a lot of times you write these things, it might be too ahead of time. It's later. People catch up. Yeah, yeah. You wait for time to catch up to what you wrote.

So that's pretty much what I'm going through now. But now that I got this one sold, now I just need to get it out and make it happen. So I'm trying to shoot every spring, summer in New York. And I promise these people I can give them six seasons. So here's what I was super rooting for you for. Yeah. When I heard that Aegis Elba did it, get to James Bond. Yeah.

Or he wasn't interested no more. Yeah, he wasn't interested. And then I heard you say it. I had never thought of you as James Bond prior to you saying it. And then when I heard you say it. Ninja. And I thought about everything, I was like, yo, he can

play this. My British accent is not very well known. James Bond come to America. Oh, he's got to be. He's got to come to America. He's got to take the story up a little bit. He black, but he's 007. That's a British thing. Yeah, but it's a... We got 007 in America. No, we don't.

I would have to Live in London For about a year To pick up that accent To get it right Nah I think stories have changed In a while And sometimes

With a certain twist Especially if it came in black Well you know They had a woman Remember the last one Was a woman A woman 007 came in

Oh I didn't see that Yeah That was the last James Bond Before they killed off Daniel Craig Yeah so No disrespect But those seven came oh i didn't see that one yeah that was that was the last james before they killed off um daniel craig yeah so i i don't know disrespect but um like i would love to see a black james bond because you see how smooth he was yeah yeah oh yeah to this day people still get all the girls yeah yeah yeah yeah i would love to see a black james bond oh i mean uh hey

if it was to come up i I definitely would go in on the audition. Right. I wouldn't let it pass me and not go in on it, yeah. Okay, now here's the million dollar question. Hold up. He actually could be Jamaican, though. He could be. That would make perfect sense. No, he could be. Yeah, because Jamaica was colonized by the British.

Yeah, it's a commonwealth. So he could be Jamaica and make sense to be 007. With a little bit of British cockney. What does 007 mean? Why you got to be overseas? So you know CIA? That's only America. It's their CIA. It's their story. It's their thing. But the Jamaicans, they were

a colony of the British. That would be actually kind of ill. But you going to film it in Kingston? No. He can live. My kids are buying one everywhere, you go everywhere. And look at all the Jamaicans

in town. You got to open the budget. But Tiffany got it. It's so great. Every place you go has a Jamaican restaurant. That's right. Everywhere in the world

has a Jamaican restaurant. Everywhere. It's not always good Jamaican food. No, it's not always good food. And they always don't have no food. Yeah. You go in there, you have oxtail?

No, man, I don't have oxtail. Whenever I go to Jamaica, you have oxtail? No, I'm not on the oxtail. Whenever I go to Jamaica... If I go to Jamaica... What do you have on the special then? I have nothing on the special. Whenever I go to a Jamaican restaurant and they nice, I walk out. You got to be mean. You got to be mean.

That's what we grew up on. That's what we grew up on. I'll tell you my first time in Jamaica, I landed. This lady had a cart, and I'm sitting there waiting to get my bags, and she rolled over my brand-new Air Force Ones, both of them. Not just the first one. Both of them. Boom.

She literally had to go boom, boom, and then boom, boom. And I looked at her and she said, she fucked on me. Like, it was me. I was in her race. She was like, you done fucked up. Way in the car. You ain't give up, all right?

And I said, ho. I just gave up, bro. I was like, fuck it. She wins in her race. You done fucked up. You ain't give up. And I said, ho, I just gave up, bro. I was like, fuck it. She wins. She won. So you got to be rude. So, all right, let's go to move on. We need some flowers here. Oh, that's right. Listen, Tyson. Yeah. Our show is about giving people their

flowers. I appreciate it. I am sincerely honored, you know, to do this and show you how much, because you really changed the game. Like everything I said in the intro, it was not, you know, to gas it. It was really true. Like you changed the game. You made people want to go into your field. Like at one point, there was only, you know, rappers and, you know, basketball players, entertainers.

But you made people want to go in the gym and get sexy and be a motherfucking supermodel motherfucking rock the red chest. So we want to give you your flowers face to face man to man. Snoop said it's better

than a Grammy because it comes from his people god damn it. That's right. That's right. And usually we'll keep this in the crib. That's right.

God damn it. Usually Mr. Lee is late with the flowers this time he was too early with the flowers. That's right. That's right. Boom. That's right. Him and Tyson better have some dollars. That's right. That's right. Boom.

That's right. Him and Tyson Becker ran some tricks. That's it. That's it. I got it. I got it. The girls from Hialeah remember us. Damn.

Hey. If you was from Hialeah, it's a ride. Yeah, we was up there. Kendall. Hey, hey, hey. We was getting them all. Some of y'all married now. Y'all remember, though.

Leave Kendall out of it. Never. It was funny in the skit. Yes. Because I was in the studio in the skit when y'all did the Wet Willie skit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember. And you said Kendall.

He said Kendall in the skit. You know what the funniest thing about it was is all over the world, I always see you. I always used to see you. Yeah. And you will always be both, both. You will always be, let's have fun. Yeah. Or, motherfucker, I just got out of the gym.

Leave me alone, Nori. Yeah. Are you ready for you? Yeah. So, but that skit, I listened to it today, this morning. Yeah. And I just remember us having so much fun. It was a drunk-ass skit.

We was drunk-ass skit. Yeah. But I remember you showing up. Yeah. And I just remember us having so much fun. It was a drunk-ass skit. We were drunk-ass skit. Yeah. But I remember you showing up. Yeah. And you just had left the gym. And that was the first time I had heard that expression. You was like,

yo, Nori, I just left the gym. Yeah. And I was like, we could go back. And I don't know why I said that. And I gave you a call to cab. Yeah.

I was like, just take a little bit. Yeah. And we wound up being there six, seven hours. Yes, we did. And then we went, and that's a classic skit to this day. Yes, we did. For a Capone and Noriega album. Yeah. Yeah. And we wound up being there six, seven hours. Yes, we did. And then we went, and that's a classic skit

to this day. Yes, we did. For Capone and Noriega album. Yes, we did. Yes. And I remember, I remember mad people coming up to me,

like, like, how'd you get Tyson to act like that? I was like, I was like, I didn't get him to act at all. I was like,

that's not an act. And he was like, nah, bro. Like, he was like, and I was like, no. Like, he didn't, he didn't, like the act at all. I was like, that's not an act. And he was like, nah, bro. Like, he was like, and I was like, no. Like, he didn't, like, first of all, a lot of people didn't know we were friends because we didn't have Instagram back then.

We were taking pictures, but we didn't know. My space wasn't even back then. I'm sorry to sound like a dinosaur, but my space wasn't even popping in. And I remember, but I remember how much props that I got because people was like, yo, you got to happen to be somebody else. And like I said, every time I would say, I didn't get him.

Every time I see Paul, it's the same thing. It's the same thing to me. So how, because you know, we see so many of our kind, so many of our brothers get to a certain level and they kind of forget where they came from and they kind of get away. You, I kid you not,

at the height of your career, you continue to do your thing. You always remain who you are. Yeah, no, I'm never going to change. That's not an easy thing. I'm still going to be friends with this guy.

We're going to do some bullshit. Go ahead. Go ahead. Booby trap, better watch out. Yeah. We're lucky to have each other and still be friends to for this long you know i mean and a lot of people don't have that right and i value that i don't know about y'all but i value it you

know i mean yeah it means a lot to me to be able to say i've known this man 30 years it's just consistency you know and then you never you never have to worry about running into some sucker shit. Because if I see you with somebody that I, yo, come here. Where you know a buddy from? Fuck him. Don't run with him. You know what I mean? We are all support.

And we're not out there doing dumb shit. We're businessmen now. You know what I mean? We're running corporations and things of that nature. But we always got to keep that bond. We always got to keep that bond. We always got to look out for each other. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, I just want to give you your flowers again and tell you, that's not normal.

You know what I mean? That's an abnormal thing to keep it real. A lot of people think keeping it real is keeping it gangsta or keeping it straight. Keeping it real is keeping it real to your heart. You know what I'm saying? 100%. I've always understood that definition. Yeah. Others don't, though.

Right. You'd be surprised how many people don't, but I know that with you. I know that with you. I know that with most of these people in this room that we're going

to always be cool. And it don't matter how high or low I get, I'm going to still be me. Right. You know what I mean? I'm going to be your man. Like, yo,

we're going to do something? Yeah, let's go do something. Let's go somewhere. But at one point, I had made it to a certain level, right? And I remember me being signed to a certain corporation and a certain thing. And they suggested to me, they said, you know, when you come around, maybe come around a little lighter. Yeah, don't bring all the guys. Yeah, maybe stop coming around.

Maybe come around with just one person. And like, you know, that was one of the first things, them trying to change me. And then they said, you know. I wouldn't say they trying to change you. They probably saw things in people around you that you didn't need. I didn't see that. That was like this to you. Because I had a lot of them around me, bro, coming up.

You saying yes men they say? No, just not yes men. Just guys who's, you know, they want to be around for the party, the girls, and the money, and whatever. And then when the feds come, they're gone. Yeah, they're gone, of course. But you're going to have that in life. You know what I mean? And that's part of growing up.

So we've grown up, and we shed all of them other people that used to hang out with us. And now we got our families. We're doing shit with our peoples like that. This is what we dreamed of doing. Living like this, yo, let's pull the cars out today yo we we're actually doing what we we were living and rapping about back then still to this day right and that friendship is real man you ain't got a lot of dudes out there that can say yeah i've been with that cap for 30 plus years you don't have that right you know what i mean because a lot of dudes can't stay together

real dudes can real dudes can get stay together. Real dudes can. Real dudes can get together and be like, yo, let's get this money together. Another reason this guy right here is on this box is because of Joe. That's right.

Joe, I've known Joe forever. Joe, call me your T. You want to do this? Right. Fuck yeah, I want to do this. Any reason to be in business with my brothers? Right.

Come on, let's get it. And Joe told me, I don't know if I'm supposed to be blowing this up. They say every time, yes, we're the God. I don't know if I'm supposed to be blowing this up. They say every time, yes, we're the gods. I don't know if I'm supposed to be blowing this up, Joe.

Nah, nah. When they tell me every time that you post anything about Rewind Time, that shit goes through the roof. Oh, yeah, it's doing well. I'm the number one seller. I'm the number one seller.

I'm the number one seller. Bro, I've been selling my whole career. Yes, yes, yes. So when Joe called me, it made sense because visually, people have been looking at my face for over 30 years. Wow. You might walk by a beer and see my face on here.

You're going to be like, yo, that's my man. I'm going to buy that. Right. You know what I mean? And people are showing love and supporting us. Right. Because you got to think about this is also a product of hip hop. Right.

Joe putting this all together. Joe knowing the family that runs the brand. Because of Jeff and Carolyn. Yeah. And the name. The name Rewinded is Rewinded. I'm going to let y'all know Jeff and Carolyn. Yeah, that's right.

For sure. And it's like we're a community and we look out for each other. And when somebody says, hey, we're going out on the yacht today. Right. Okay, let's go. Right.

This is what we dreamed of doing. That's right. We're doing it now. You know what I mean? So from coming from the street all the way to here, we're living examples of what can be good and what can be bad. Right. Because, you know, we've seen some dudes do some bad things.

Yes. You know, and never was able to take their story and make something of it. Now look at us. We out here making stories about ourselves. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Some of us got grandkids. Some of us don't. I don't. And we're going to get EF into Rewind Time. I'm going to re-white time.

Rewind time. Rewind time. So you want to re-write for him. You would want to paint your beard more whiter? Yeah, we got to be white for him. You would want to paint your beard more whiter? No, no, no. I'm fucking...

No, salt and pepper. I'll go salt and pepper. I'm going to brace my white when it comes. What is salt and pepper, though? Black and white. Like, you just... Like, I enjoyed

the salt and pepper era. I didn't know it was going to go full-on white as quick as it went. No, full-on white is where you want to be. No, no, I'm there. I'm good.

You got to be either dark, dark, or... Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. Or full-on white. Yeah. I'm full I'm there. I'm good. You got to be either dark, dark. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. Or full on white. Yeah.

I'm full on white. I'm good. I think when it's salt and pepper, it make you look older. Ooh. But if it's one or the other, then it's like, yeah, I don't like this. No, my shit, you can sample it and it's a die. Yeah, yeah. You can go fuck and roll. Yeah, that shit is cold.

Except my mustache is trying to hold on for life. I don't know what's going on. He can't do it. He's like, I can do it. I can do it. Yeah, that shit is cold. Except my mustache is trying to hold on for life. I don't know what's going on. He can't do it. He's like, I can do it. I can do it. Yeah, you can. Let's get you jumped over Mazzara. Oh, no, no.

They can jump. Let it happen. Let it happen. For me, if I get called for a role, I got to let it go white. I'll let it go white. Oh, yeah? Right now, I'm playing this black. Okay.

I'm playing this black. Right now, you're rewinding. You'll put that forward later. I'm rewinding. I'm getting this money. They still think I'm 26. I'm out here. I know I touched on rewinding. You'll put that forward later. I'm rewinding. I'm getting this money. They still think I'm 26. I'm out here. I know I touched on it earlier,

but one of my favorite movies of all time is Zoolander. That's hilarious. I love how you described it when I was watching an interview with you. You was like, yeah, Ben just called me up. At first I was supposed to be the guy on the gas station. Then he calls me and he says,

I got something better for you I got something better and I'm like it's just the way you speak about so much fucking historic shit and you speak about it

like it's like nonchalant oh shit no this is a lie this is more I think that's it yeah it's a lie when I'm doing it

I don't think about it like that I just I'm just doing it it's something fun I'm going to get ready to do with my boy did you know you was making history

yeah I know I didn't know I was making that. I just, I'm just doing it. It's something fun. I'm going to get ready to do it with my boy. Did you know you was making history? Yeah. I know. I didn't know I was making, no. No idea. No idea Zoolander was going to do what it did. Because people who'd never been to a fashion show or never been to a model show, they thought that, that's their Bible. Yeah, no, that's their Bible.

That's their Bible. They look at Zoolander and say, this is how it is. It's sort of like that, but I mean, we wanted to spoof it so hard that no idea it was going to be legendary. Right. But I'm glad I was a part of it, you know what I mean? And it was... Were you worried at any point, though?

No, it was like, no, just be yourself. Okay. We're going to go there, we're going to be ourself, and then you're just going to play off of everybody else in the room. Because the way we did that scene

was like a club. So in between every shot, music was on, Ronson was DJing.. So in between every shot, music was on. Ronson was DJing. Oh, Mark Ronson? Yeah. Yeah, Mark was up there. And we had David Bowie.

So in between the scenes, you got Luke Wilson and everybody over here. And then you got Ben Stiller. Everyone's cracking jokes. It was just like joke after joke after joke. But then when it says action, we went right back into character. But in between the cuts, you know, oh, they got to adjust the camera. Oh, we're going to just start partying and making jokes. And that's pretty much how the set was.

It was like being in a club and cutting up with your friends. So we knew that scene was going to kill. You know what i mean but we were just like yo it was funny just to sit there and watch it being shot the whole time right and it just watching the creative genius of these comedians it was just like it was contagious and then um yeah why did you turn down zulanna too i didn't i didn't like the script oh yeah i didn't know the script yeah i didn't like the script i like i'll do things i thought you didn't like the script. Oh, it was based on the script. Yeah, I didn't like the script. I thought it was timing. I thought you didn't have time. I do things because of the script sometimes.

I didn't like the script. I heard when Ben Stiller first told you about it, you didn't like it at first until you read the script. Yeah, I didn't like the script. Yeah, I didn't like the script. Part one, you... No, part one, I read the script. You read the script, and you liked it. And I loved it.

Part two, I didn't like it so much. When you first met with Ben, you said the script, you didn't really understand it. Yeah it so much when you first met with Ben you said described to you you didn't really understand it yeah and he gave you the script to part one yeah yeah and you fell in love with it

was it the same thing with part two did you ask part two was just no it wasn't it just didn't grab me like the first one I mean it wasn't as good

but I wouldn't call it a bad movie I wouldn't call it a bad movie no I wouldn't say it's a bad movie it just wasn't for me I didn't feel my presence was needed

for that one so I didn't I didn't feel my presence was needed for that one. So I didn't do that one. But, I mean, if you think about it, the brand is still good, though. Yeah. You know what I mean? The first one's a classic. Yeah, the first one. That's why I love it when people say that.

Yeah. And I always want to be a part of the first one. When somebody says, yo, let's go and do the first one. Because always the first one Is a classic I haven't watched Cable In a while But whenever I Go through my television Or my apps

And whenever Zoolander is up I look And I always I get stuck watching it too I miss meetings for it I miss meetings Even if my scene is gone I still sit there and watch it

It's just a classic It just makes you laugh You know what I mean And then it lets you know Don't take yourself too serious Right You know what I mean? And then it lets you know, don't take yourself too serious. Right. You know what I mean? Do you like that more comedy?

I do like comedy. Okay. I like comedy, and I do have a natural timing for it. So for me, I don't mind doing it. But I do love the dramas, though. Do you do an evil movie with Megan Good? What's an evil movie? No, I did Megan Good.

I did Biker Boys with her. Yeah, Biker Boys. Yeah, I did Biker Boys. But I was Lisa Bonet's boyfriend in that. Okay, okay. And then I was rolling. Different world? Yeah.

So I was affiliated with a real bike gang in that movie. In that one, yeah. Yeah, Chosen Few. Yo, man. You were affiliated with a real biker gang while you did the movie? I wore their actual colors in the movie. I'm starting to think you affiliate automatically. No, no, no.

Just to adapt to what's going on in your life, in whatever you're doing. We had gang members. He's more connected than gang members.'re doing. We had gang members. He's more connected than gang members. I know a lot of gang members. You're going to join a Mexican boy. I know a lot of gang members.

I mean, I just, people come up and talk to me. Right. You know what I mean? Tell us the biker gang thing. Okay, so, Chosen Few is a real, like, not a gang,

but a chapter in LA. Right. So, they adorned me with their original vest. They patched me over for the movie, but a lot of people don't do that. That's a big deal when they patch you.

I gave the jacket back. It was for the scene, but they allowed me to wear my actual... Yeah, they sanctioned it. So it went through their whole chapter. So let me slow you down for a second. So is that equivalent to like a crip putting

a whole crip outfit on somebody? Yeah. Oh, wow. These guys are blood guys. Okay. So it's equivalent to like a blood. The bikers are blood? The bikers are blood? The bikers are blood? They have affiliation.

Okay. The West Coast is it. They're really nice guys. They're really nice guys. Yeah. So it was cool. And if they was going to do another one, I think that movie, you should do another one for that. Biker Boys.

Yeah, Biker Boys. Yeah. And then this time, get into the grittiness of it. Right. Because it. Right. Because it's evolved. You know, that whole bike scene has evolved. I mean, our- That world is wild, man.

Yeah, it is. I know- They always show bikers as like me at the top. You know, riding bikes. Nah, nah. You get to meet different real bike gangs. These motherfuckers are serious. Right.

But there's a storyline in all of that, though. You know what I mean? Because we look at Sons of Anarchy. Yes. Which is huge. Which is a hit. Yeah. I mean.

Biker World. Who else from our community can do that? Right. Rough Riders. Wow. They got it. Yeah. That would be a movie that I'd love to see.

That would be a movie that I'd love to play in it. Rough Riders. Maybe that's a movie that we might need to ask the award if they want to write that. That's us. But in history, there are different black gangs that are out there that have been around for a long time. A lot of minority black gangs. Native Americans, Latinos. The spin-off to Sun's Anarchy is the Latino one. Yeah, May Kings. Native Americans, Latino. Like the spin off to Sons of Anarchy is the Latino one.

Yeah, Mayans. Mayans, yeah. And that was, man, I love that one just as much as I love Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And it's a whole community out there. So me starting to go to these bike shows, I used to meet all these different people. And I used to just do character studies of them.

I was about to ask you that. Was you doing that for the roles of a movie? No, I was just already in love with bike culture. Hashtag bike life. You always going to be, once a biker, you're always a biker. Even if you don't ride anymore, you still got that love for the two wheels. But for me, it was just like, I was just hanging out with these people. But my writing side of me starts saying, oh, oh, oh, okay, you could write something like this.

Yeah. But I never take real stories and go do that. No, you can't. Yeah. Like at one point. But I can take from my own real life stories. But yeah. Yeah, I've been some places.

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come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'll use an example that I know. I remember seeing Nas after he did Sincere the role in Belly and maybe it's something that I wanted to see maybe it's something that I thought I saw

but I remember him almost becoming that character you get consumed I'm about to ask you that has it ever been like the time you played a character and you couldn't kind of knock it off

they said that about Pac after Juice that's what I mean some people say that Pac and Nas Nas I saw Pac I heard. Some people refute that. Some people say that. Pac and Nas. Nas, I saw. Pac, I heard about. Old boy who played

the Joker the first time. Yeah, I heard he couldn't knock out. Yeah, you get caught up. What's that called? Method acting? That's method. Hey, man,

the method actors. You got to respect. That's a level there. Right. Yeah, it's a level there, man. Because I did a movie, I don't want to name it. The horror movie?

Yeah. You guys, I love that movie, man. It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. No, I remember it. I played the black guy that fucked

and then got killed. Yeah. Typical, typical thing. But it was a person that was in the movie and his name was Matt. And I remember all of the cast were like

mad at him, right? Because he kept playing the guy that he played in the movie. He was the bad guy. He didn't come out of his... No, he didn't until we had the wrap party. And we had the wrap party and he was coming around like, hey! And everybody was like, you fucking dick.

Nobody wanted to talk to him. But that's what he was doing to get in character for his role. You got a lot of actors who do that. I didn't understand. Some of them have to do that to stay, to really play the character. But you got to realize, I'm coming from hip hop. And the only reason why I did it is because the director directed L.A.L.A., directed T.O.N.Y. He directed my part.

I didn't know that part yeah but see all these things are good because you you opened yourself up to an audience that you probably never would

I would have never had an experience for you bro I think that it was that's what hip hop has done to this world

it's opening the audience of people to you guys music to now look into it and then see all the other things that you can do.

Right. You know? Right. As you accelerate as a artist now. So you already vocally got it. Right. Now you just got to show your acting skills. Right.

And then you bring into, you open yourself to a wider audience. Yeah. Hip hop has been doing that forever. Look at Busta and all these other people and yourself. You know what I mean so yeah you know um you should continue to do that I need you though for pretty boy

I got you you done it's a done deal I already got my trailer I need the contract Mr. Lee Mr. Lee I need that contract but um yeah I want you to perform in it yeah yeah I'm in I need you yeah cause you was you was in the car. Every car I ever had, you was in there.

Let's go, baby. You was in there. You know what I mean? So let me ask you, right? We've all experienced the Hollywood thing, right? And everyone says, you know, Hollywood is this and Hollywood is that. Yeah. What was your first experience being at that level in Hollywood where everywhere you go, people know you?

It was crazy. Yeah. It was crazy. Everywhere you go, people know you. It was surreal because, you know, I'm coming from New York City like yourself, and I'd never seen that side of town before. I mean, the first time i went to la was because i was in a um a ford car commercial ford yeah ford uh there used to be a black division um uh that used to just uh do commercials for like african americans oh wow so they had um casted me

for ford car commercial wow and it was me in the desert in a yellow Mustang, and Mustang had just got ready to drop the new car. Right. And that was my first time in L.A. Wow. And I was like, yo, it looked a lot like everything you see on TV. Right. But it had a little wild side to it.

Right. You know what I mean? Even in Beverly Hills? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, the partying, the drinking, the drugs, and all of that shit. Like, you saw all that. It was open.

They just kept it real because back then you had nothing to record and people wasn't doing that. If you went to somebody's house party, it was just a chill-ass party. I mean, then, you know, after the party, whatever went on, you wasn't there for that. So you didn't get caught up in none of that shit. That shit was, it was there for you to play with it. Right. Some of us knew better. Right, right.

I ain't going, nah, I'm not going in there to do none of that. I mean, that was the difference between for me coming on to New York and then me going, you know, spending my very few time in L.A. was they closed at 2. 2, yeah. But you know why that came about? No, I don't know that. Because of like, yo, they was wild.

They're drinking and somebody got killed. Yeah, there's a lot of them. They were trying to curb violence. They were trying to curb a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when, they used to go all hours

like us in New York. Wow. And then they just said, we got to bring this shit back. Because 105, you good. You want to buy another bottle? 110, you want to buy another bottle? When you get to 115?

Lights on. Lights on. They coming for that bottle, so you better do whatever. So, yeah. Probably saved a lot of lives. Probably, yeah. Probably.

Because my first couple years. Because they didn't believe in taking cabs. Everyone in LA wanted to drive. Us being New Yorkers, I was like, no, I want to drink. I mean, it's kind of like Miami, too. We wasn't taking many. Yeah. No, y'all was drinking and driving.

Yeah. We're high. I'm relaxed. I don't want to be a friend about that. I don't want anybody to do that. Especially this motherfucker. That motherfucker would get drunk and be like, I'm better as a drinker. Yeah, as a driver.

I've heard that one many times before. Hashtag thank you Uber. Word, word. Yeah, yeah. Because that was a crazy shit for me was I remember like my third year or second year going to L.A., I believe it was Dublin. Yeah. I believe Jay-Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Remember? We used to go to Dublin. And I didn't know that Dublin was a fucking pool hall. All right, so Dublin was a pool hall hall. Like, it was like, yeah. All right, so Dublin was a pool hall on Sunset Boulevard. Yes, that's right. Yeah. That's right.

And it was across from, what was that spot on Tuesdays at Taco Joy? Oh, that's the spot. Pink Tacos. Yes. Pink Tacos. Yes. That was another scene. Remember, they murked the homie not too long after we was eating there.

Yes. Yeah. Remember when we was out there for- And that's why it shut down. Yeah. Yeah. That used to be the spot. Well, I mean, we haven't been there in a while, but the last time we was there, not long after.

You took them all with us drink champs? Yeah. We went after a revolt meeting. We went and ate there, drank. We got drunk. We got fucked up. We left, and maybe a couple weeks later, that happened. Get out of here.

Yeah. They don't play that ball on Sunset. Because that's the Bears, the Sheriffs. Yeah, they don't like that shit up there. What I noticed about LA immediately was there was this whole after part, this whole afterlife. Now, I'm not only talking about the industry. I'm talking about because of the clubs closing at 2 o'clock. Jerry's Deli.

Yeah, Jerry's Deli. Jerry's Deli was a club. That's right. Jerry's Deli was a club. And then Mel's on Sunset. That was one too. Mel's Deli. Yeah, Jerry's Deli. Yeah, Jerry's Deli. Jerry's Deli was a club. Yeah. That's right. Jerry's Deli was a club. And then Mel's on Sunset. Mel's Diner. That was one, too. Mel's Diner.

All the eat spots. Yeah, but a lot of people will go to their clubs and have these private parties. And that's where it was different for me from New York. Yeah. Because one, New York, we partied till 5 o'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We partied till 5 o'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We party until 5 o'clock. Yeah. And I would go to these places, and it would be, like, I would see Tom, what's this guy's name? Tom Green.

What's his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom Green. Tom Green. Tom used to be out all the time. I used to be sitting out. I'm looking like, but it's every star. And I'm just like.

Yeah, and they're just chilling. Yeah. Just chilling. Did you ever, like, indulge in that type of like? Oh, yeah. I hung out and drank with all kinds of different people, man. I mean, I used to hang out with Wesley Snipes all the time. Me too.

I hung out with Wesley Snipes. Yeah, Wesley's cool people. So it was just like we'd be everywhere, chilling, having a good time. So it wasn't like, oh, I'm this person. It was just how me and you be chilling. So I think a lot of times when I came out in L.A., everyone saw my face somewhere, and they just assumed, oh, he's a nice guy. Oh, let's start talking.

So then once they got to know me, they're like, okay, this guy's cool. Because as a rapper, right, regardless if they love us or not, they still test us. No, of course. As a model, do you get tested? I mean, I was street.

I was always street, so they always knew, okay, this is... And you had street people around you. Yeah, I had street people around me. You know what I mean I was street I was always street so they always knew okay this is and you had street people around you yeah I had street people around me you know what I mean I wasn't always like

you know like oh I gotta be street I just was cool I was just myself you know what I mean but of course you do get tried once in a while

for sure right and especially you everybody girl wanna fuck you and I had nothing to do with it. My favorite thing to do

is mind my business. Hey, man. Mind my business. I mean, I know what it is. I know what it is. But I be minding my business. I'll be looking at your girl. Cool.

Your girl looking at me. You want to explain the name of the game? You do a quick time with slime. All right, let's go. You need to pick a designated drinker for yourself. Yeah, pick a designated drinker. For shots.

Yeah, for shots. Sonny D, the Zo right here. All right, I'll take the Zo. Listen, bro, we got catering to you, buddy. You just got to drink whatever we got. I didn't bring a D'Ussé. I was rushing out. That's right.

They is asking for D'Ussé. Yeah. Damn, I forgot. That's my fault. You want to drink something. That's right. They is asking for Duce. Yeah. Damn, I forgot. That's my fault. You want to drink something? What you want? The Tito's? Mamahuana?

Let's go. All right, come on. What is that? Mamahuana. Dominican Mamahuana. Homemade. I know what that is. Okay.

No, no, no. I don't want none of that. It fixes health issues too. Yeah, I know. I just need one snip of it. We're going to play the Quick Time of Slime, right? Come on, Sonny.

Step up to the plate. Nah, it's the Christian Dior work. All right, we're going to give you two choices. Okay. If you pick one, nobody drinks. Right?

Out of the two choices. Okay. If you say both or neither, which would be the PC answer, then we're all drinking. Okay. Meaning your designated drinker and these two guys right here. Okay.

So, and if you have any stories of anybody, really this is about just bringing up any stories. Okay. It's not dissing anybody. Okay. All right. First one is Biggie or Jay-Z? Hmm. Well, it's tough because-

It's whatever criteria in your mind in your mind you got history one more chance right yeah one more chance and crazy I heard you call him Christopher one time

yeah Christopher I mean we both have Jamaican parents, so for us... That doesn't mean Jamaicans call each other by their first name. Yeah, but if you know the person before that and, you know, the street name and all that, but yeah. He used to make an accent come out, right?

He slides into it. Yo, I'm a president now. See who you are? You know? So I'm a president now. See who you are. Yeah. You know? So I'm a president. You know? But yeah, when it's just so many nights in the tunnel. I remember when we both got the same Rolex. That's right.

And yeah, and it was, yeah, it was a Submariner at the time. I might even have that picture of us in my phone. But yeah, I mean. That was a CB belt. That was just a real guy, man. CD. Yeah, yeah. Tough, tough love.

He was a real guy. Yeah, he didn't have to go to LA. He could have stayed. He could have stayed home. Because the way that album was taken off, he didn't have to go out to LA. He could have stayed right here in New York. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Because I know that album was taken off, he didn't have to go out to L.A. He could stay right here in New York. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. It's fine.

Because I know we're bouncing around a little bit. Because I know you had a lawsuit with Puff about Sean John. Yeah. So if you had anything to say to Puff back then, would you have told that? Would you have said, yo, keep Biggie out of L.A.? Oh, if they would have called me out, I'd have been like. I suppose they called you and the decision was on you. Yeah, because you know, we were still, we were going out like... Let's suppose they called you and the decision was on you. We were still...

We were going out. I was going out there. You was going out there. We didn't have no problems like that because we wasn't... You know what I mean? We wasn't in the mix like that. But this was the problem. This was the problem.

Went big and popped. Yeah, he should have went out there. So if you had a chance to rewind time... I would have told him no. We already... Jesus Christ. What a boy. Rewind time.

Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? If you really had a chance to rewind time, right? Let's just keep it real. Your relationship wasn't with Puff. Your relationship was with Big. And if G Rockefeller or any one of those C's or any one of them would have said, yo, what you think? I would have been like, nah, date of time.

And we've heard that a couple of times on Drink Champs from people that said they actually did give a warning, don't go to. Yeah, you don't need to go. You didn't need to. The album was going to take off no matter what. You know what I mean? That's real. And he didn't even have to leave Brooklyn at all.

That shit was going to take off. And I just felt like they didn't need to go. You know what I mean? They didn't need to go. You know what I mean? They didn't need to go. They could have just stayed in New York. Alright. DMX or Tupac? Man, I got stories of both. Please, give us both. We need both.

Alright, so, Pac. I used to run into Pac. Wait, are you saying both? Tupac. No, no, but... Okay, both. The answer is both, so we got to drink. Cheers, cheers, but... Okay, both. The answer is both, so we got to drink. Damn. Cheers, cheers, cheers, Chanchi, cheers. So, let's start with X. Me and X, December 18th is X's birthday. My birthday is December 19th.

If I look at my phone, I still got X's phone number right now. Wow. And it was just like, being two two sagittarius's you understand each other especially when you that that you a day apart you understand each other and x was complex but he was no dummy though he was very very smart almost i want to say genius a little bit too smart for his time but yeah x yeah, X was a real one. And I used to run into him all the time and he just sit there and he'd talk and just, you know, just down to earth, dude. Right.

You know? And that was a guy that, you know, we could have saved him too. Right. You know? Right. We got to start checking our blood pressure. Right. We got to start going to the doctor,

doing all the things we need to do. Yep. You know, we just say, you know, that's not something that we talk about in the black community, health. And I try to stress that to a lot of brothers. My whole career was always about health, staying in shape, workout, get to the gym, you know, because you feel good about yourself.

Yes. And when you set, like, goals and checklists and things of that nature you move better you know you move more positive so that's what a lot of the other things that we we we need to start doing for each other checking on our health and our whether it's your your blood pressure or your mental you know that's very needed that's very needed nowadays especially with how the world is going on yeah mental is something that a lot of us is we too cool to say oh my nigga i love you you know what i'm saying because your mental can dictate your heart yeah your blood or yo what's wrong what's wrong with you what's going you ain't been yourself

lately you're depressed about what what's going on you know i mean and then you know we have a lot of our young vets that come home from from from war and they got you know they got ptsd yeah so i have a lot of vet friends they'll call me and be like yo what's up maybe three o'clock in the morning they just want to shoot the shit and i'm always like yo let's do it let's talk you know and i think that's what we don't do enough we don't talk I got a lot of project friends like that yeah you got yeah because it's almost it's the projects is they look very if you put the projects either or the prison up to the other the interiors is pretty much the same and the school the light pretty much there's nothing. Yeah, school.

If you look down the hallway of any school where we grew up. All public schools, they look the same. The same way they built the jail. So subliminally, you're being like, you're seeing this daily, daily, daily when you're walking through the hallways of your school, your home, whatever. And it can be trying on them. That's why we need to get out, get passports, travel. Travel is, I think, one of the most important things, man.

Don't expect me to finger pop some. No, just travel. Don't finger pop them. But wait, you said you had a story with Pac as well. Okay, so one time I ran into Pac in the lobby of a movie premiere.

We both came in late. And it was just y'all two. I heard the story. Yeah, it was just us two. Okay. And then Ronnie, the photographer, you know Ronnie Ron. Okay. He took a picture of us.

Right. And I was like, yo, make sure you get me that picture. He still ain't got this picture. He don't know where it is. He's like, look look i got catalogs like if you think about it he's been filming and taking pictures of us for more than 30 years but you imagine how many roles of film right you know but but that but the tupac you describe it is that the new york tupac that is well i think he was filming above the rim at that time. Okay, okay. So he was still in New York.

Okay, he was on the West Coast. Because above the rim, that was a Death Row soundtrack. So he wasn't on Death Row at that time. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. But he's still West Coast. He was from Oakland at the time. No, no, no, no.

He was signed to Interscope. That's the reason why. Yeah, he was signed to Interscope. The reason why Death Row got that soundtrack was because he was signed to Interscope. Right. Interscope got it and gave it to Defro to like,

to like help them out. Defro wasn't, wasn't able to do it. Right, but what do you mean by East Coast or West Coast Tupac? Like what I mean, what I mean by he was transitioning

to the West Coast. Like because, but he was raised in Oakland. Yeah, but he didn't, he didn't, he wasn't over there until after Baltimore. And then really, but he became a man in's from New York. Went to Baltimore. But he became a man in Oakland.

Yeah, he went to jail. I said he became a man in Oakland. Nah, I'm talking about his teenage formative years were in Oakland, man. Okay, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I just feel like that's two separate parts, right? I feel like that's one New York, then it's that's one that's one new york then it's

baltimore then it's then it's west coast and then it's death row tupac yeah that's to me i believe that there is a death row tupac and the other two yeah the death row tupac came in after he went to he obviously he went to that no no no um uh big man um got out. Yeah, bailed him out. You fucked with Suge before? Yeah, yeah. I used to run into Suge in L.A. Oh, yeah? With people. Never had a problem with anything.

I never had a problem with Suge. I'm not, I'm not. I don't know if I'm the naivest motherfucker. I'm not. When you see me. Yeah. Yeah, when you see me. I have nothing bad.

Oh, man. You listen to me. He got the girls. He's, you know. I never have nothing bad to say about Suge. I mean, look. Look, didn't I say that off camera? Off camera, like, it's crazy because I don't know if I was naive or maybe I just saw a real version of him.

He never showed me that side. He never showed me that side. I never was around it. Yeah. So, yeah. He could have definitely got me if he was really that good. Because he had, like, out in the boat. Yeah.

He was cool. He was cool. And thinking about what Death Row was trying to do Trying to like Really like do a lot of things For hip hop They were trying Yo I mean

Give credit where credit's due Like it's crazy And it's crazy for me Because I was a part of You know quote unquote The East Coast West Coast Beat For being a part of L.A.L.A. But

Every single time I met him Every single time Anything Opportunity or anything And he probably respected it too What's presented to me To him It's always was anything, opportunity or anything was presented to me to him, it always was positive. That's what's crazy to me. Sometimes when I hear people talk about Suge and I hear

people say it in a negative way and I'm not there, I just, you know, I look at the internet and I just be like, wow. Because I just don't know that guy. I don't want to say it doesn't exist because I ain't see it, you know what I'm saying? But I just don't know it. But okay, moving on.

What's the next one? Chunchy, chunchy. Tommy Hilfiger or Nautica? Nautica. Okay. Yeah. Any reason why? I had a Nautica jacket back then.

Nautica was there, bro. I just felt like they knocked off. Tommy Hilfiger copied the Nautica jacket. To me, it was very similar. Well, I didn't look at it like that. Nautica was dope. They're very similar, right? If you remember the Nautica jackets, they're very similar.

Because I know a lot of designers, sometimes they say, go buy that jacket. And they go buy it and they break it down to figure out, you know. Did the designers ever come to you and ask you for, like, input on designing anything? Once you were established with, you know, in the circuit. No, not really. But some of them, like Fubu, Damien John, let me give him some criticism and it worked.

You know, I told him, I said, look, your audience is getting older, so you got to start making it less. Like the logos? Yeah, bring the logos down. Right. And then he brought it down to something nice and small at one point, if you remember. Yeah.

The elongated foo-foo. That was good. I mean, but for a guy who started with, you know, zero five shirts. Right. You know, he definitely did a lot. He's done well for himself. Yeah. He's done well.

Super nice guy too. Yeah. Great. Love Daymond John. Cam or Mase? Ah, shit. I'd have to say both. All right, take a shot

okay my story for Mace is he was just a nice guy he just was a what version of Mace did you meet you look like you and Mace fucked each other's girls whoa whoa whoa I mean like

ran into each other's girls ran into each other you never heard of Mace kid yo yo you look like you wild easy to get I mean like, y'all ran into each other's girls, but same, like... Ran into each other? No, no. You never heard of Masekitt? Yo, yo, you look like you wild, easy to get. I felt like someone said that same shit to you. It is what it is, man.

Yeah, it is what it is. Big up to you. Big up to you, man. Big up to them guys, man. But you ain't never bump heads with Mase like that? No, never. No, never. Bump heads?

It's wild. That's wild. Wrong choice of words. Pause. Bump myself. Wrong choice of words. James. James was... I mean, you know...

Hey, you got to be careful what you say. A lot of us been out there. I never thought of that, but that was like... Yeah, we can't say that. Yeah, we can't say that no more. Yeah, we probably can't say that

no more. A lot of us... Listen. Bump hats is wild. A lot of us... Listen, in the industry, We probably can't say that no more. Yeah, we probably can't say that one no more. I can't. A lot of us, listen, in the industry, at least back then, that's how a lot of us knew each other. Yo, yo, what's up? You leaving, I'm coming in.

Okay, alright. It was like that, boy. I'm being honest. In the 90s, man, maybe. Y'all too young. Whipper snapper. Little whipper snapper. You know what I mean? I mean, look at his chest hair, bro.

Yeah. We going to rewind time. We don't know if you got enough rewind time for you, baby. We going to give you all five boxes. We going to give you all five boxes of rewind time. Just for your chest hair. Look. You know, study.

Look what he got back here. You know he got this back here. My grandma got that in the country. Before we sit in a box. And on my ankle line. It's hard to know my friend is old. He came on my crib. He ain't shaved one day. He had white ear hair.

It was gray ear hair. Like how you got gray hair in your ear? How old does it mean to have gray hair popping out your ear? He got to rewind his ear. I don't got hair. Hairy ears. I make sure my barber cut my hair

and my nose hairs. Get up out of that. I don't need to be looking... Y'all need to look like Sonny T. Jeffery Carolina gets you right. You got to rewind your hearing. She's a tick, god damn it. You got to rewind your hearing.

I like this question. 90s Miami or 2000s Miami? Sheesh. You and Mr. Lee was together at both. What? Mr. Lee was together. He said both because Mr. Lee's been there the whole time. You got me trying. Okay. I say 90s Miami 90s Miami

90s Miami I want to drink the 90s Miami I want to drink the 90s Miami It's too awesome We met in 90s Miami 90s Miami There wouldn't be a drink chance Without 90s Miami It wouldn't be a drink chance Without 90s Miami The girls are built different in 90s Miami There wouldn't be a drink chance Without 90s Miami

It wouldn't be a drink chance Without 90s Miami The girls are built different In 90s Miami Oh man 90s Miami was amazing Cause We didn't have too many

Breast implants Lips Fills None of that If you saw Natural women bro The ecstasy that happens If you saw a beautiful girl

From Kendo None of that Yo I'm starting to worry man I'm getting worried bro Natural women, bro. The ecstasy that happens in all. If you saw a beautiful girl from Kendo. None of that. Yo, I'm starting to worry, man. I'm getting worried, bro. He's in Kendo. He's in Kendo. Hialeah.

And then he went to Hialeah for Kendo. Coral Gables. Doral. Doral. Kendo. Go back. Because it's West Kendo. It's East Kendo. You went to Homestead?

Homestead. Oh, he went to Homestead. He said Homestead, Homestead. They used you went to Homestead. You went to Homestead, Homestead. They used to call it Homestead. Homestead. Hey. Hey.

There was some pretty mummies out in that area. Kendall's the truth, man. What? Stop it. Kendall's the truth. And you know, they call rappers snipers.

Yeah. They're like, you know, this is famous. I'm not blowing this up. Like, this is famously, you know, French Montana's a sniper. Right, right, this is famous. I'm not blowing this up. Mm-hmm. Like this is famously, you know, French Montana's sniper. Right, right, right, right.

I love him. Sniper Lee, you said? Because I'm a married man. Okay. Okay. But then there's people like Chris Brown. We heard he's out here. Sniper gang.

Sniper gang. We heard he got a silencer too. Like he's not just, he's not just sniping. Six shots. Hey man, I don't know what kind of shot, but I just know it's a shot that's a killer, he got a silencer too. He's not just sniping. Six shots. I don't know what kind of shot, but I just know it's a shot that's a killer. Before Usher got his girl,

Usher was not only a sniper, but he was marinating. Marinating gets bitches. You ain't see him? You ain't see what Usher be doing? Marinating? Marinating. I've't see what us should be doing? Marinating? Marinating. Marinating. I've never heard that before.

Marinating. Oh! Ha ha ha! Ah! Yo! I was looking at you like I was dead right. I was like, yeah,

but like, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, marinating. Yeah, my bad. Saronating. No, but now he's

going to start marinating the truth. I thought that was a new dude. I thought that was a new dude. Saron that was a new dude. Serenade and then marinate. Spice King.

Give it to the Spice King. Spice King. So in your heyday, did you marinate? And saute. In your heyday, do you think you could have been a Navy sail which is sniping fuck yeah well yeah definitely who do you think you was the top of the list yeah definitely would have been there yeah let me add to that question were you nervous about sniper gang engaging because you knew that chicks was into you so it's too much it could be a little

bit crazy and somebody might say something crazy well i mean what do you mean as far as a conversation with girls no i'm messing with with women like taking them down. Sniper gang. Sniper gang. Sniper. Yeah. Yeah. So you're saying a lot of basically like hit and runs? Yeah. Or one night stands? For lack of a better term.

Now, I didn't have a lot of them. Okay. We have relationships. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you were like, six months. No, no, no. So you were like, mm, six months, mm, one year. No, no, no, not necessarily. Not necessarily that. Like, if I was talking to a girl, it wouldn't be over one night.

It would be, you know, if I'm in L.A. two weeks, you can talk to me. So you didn't engage in that. That would be dangerous. No, it wouldn't be, yeah. No, it wasn't one. Like, look at those two. Oh, you was a sniper with feelings. I was.

Well, not like that. No, I wanted to get to know you. He was getting with his shot. He was getting with his shot. He's like, no, not like villains. No. I wanted to get to know. He was getting away with a shot. He was getting away with a shot. He's like, no. Right. I wanted to get to know them. And I didn't just pick anybody.

You know what I mean? So I was kind of like smart with mine. He got Uzi. Yeah, no. No. No. But let me ask you something. Let me ask you.

If we still have a quick time, I'll slap him. I'll go back. This is definitely not a quick time. I mean, I had him coming at me, quick time, I'll slap him. I mean, I had him coming at me, but no, I just had, I'm just saying I wasn't,

you didn't feel like it was dangerous. I had like, I had, I had what I was into, what I like. But how did you slide from them coming at you? Like, I would imagine.

I used to be a gentleman. Man, come on, man. You know, they was wild out. Sometimes we'd be at the beach. They got,

they got a little rude But I would check them But you know You was there That's what you call it rude Check them No they would say some disrespectful Oh I thought it was

You know What is a chick Saying disrespectful Girls Yo when we'd be on the beach Girls used to grab my dick Grab my ass And you'd go in the nightclub

That's disrespectful to you Yeah Don't be That is not disrespectful Back then If we did that to them, we'd be in trouble. So, all right. You ever had, like, because, you know, everyone had a one-night stand, right? And then the guys.

I mean, yeah. They say that we're not emotionally attached. Yeah. Was it ever a time that you, like, did have a one-night stand? You got emotionally attached and the girl was like, this was it. Like, you stay away. Stay away. No, you stay away. Stay away.

No, I can't remember any of those. I don't think I ever had any of that. But yeah, that could happen. That could happen. Yeah, that could happen. I know some girls who would do that. I've never messed with them, but I was like, yeah, you definitely.

Wow. Yeah, give it to them good and cut a cat off. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard about these things. Yeah, these them good and cut a cat off. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard about these things. Yeah, these things happen. Cut a cat off. These things happen. I've heard about these things.

Yeah. Okay. Are we on background time? Wu-Tang Clan or NWA? Shit. That's a good one. You saying? Whichever criteria you want.

Yeah, it's whatever you think. Let me see. I say both. Oh, I like that. I like the answer to both. I think it should be both. I mean, I hung out with different members of the Wu-Tang Clan. You know, old Dirty before.

Rick Kwan. Rest in peace, ODB. Method Man. Because you know Method Man makes the workout gear now. Yeah. Takau, yeah. Yes, he sent me some boxes. Thank you know Method Man makes the workout gear now. Yeah. Takau, yeah. Yes, he sent me some boxes.

Thank you, sir. So, yeah, I mean. Boxes, not boxers. You know the internet. Yeah, boxes. Boxes, of course. Because somebody's going to say, this nigga Method Man sent you some boxes? No, no. You know what?

I helped you out right there. Helped you out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We really need to watch what we say now. We saw each other head to head. It might be misconstrued. And big up to Meth. Our last live was with Meth.

Our next live after Meth is Dre and Snoop. Which means we are doing okay with the live. That's going to be a good show. So, okay. So, NWA, Dre and Ice Cube. Right. I went to see, not this past summer, but the summer before, I was in Detroit, and I saw Ice Cube perform. Wow.

I hung out with him in the trail and just talked some business because, You know, I'm trying to get him and Pretty Boy, too. That's right. That's right. You know what I mean? I'm politicking, though. No, Cube will be ill with that. Cube is good people. Yeah, so I always like to talk to him.

And Cube looks exactly the same, like, yes. He does, man. He looks exactly the same, too. Yeah. Fat Joe looks the same. Yeah. You know what I mean? Cube did his thing at the Dodgers game.

Yeah. Same time. Even though he took a shot At New York He was banging on the Yankees He started banging on the Yankees Who doing that You know

Don't even get me started On that I'm a die hard Yankees fan I turned the TV off bro Jersey today I stayed off Instagram And you know what's crazy Because I just seen one scene

With all realness I had the chance to do that I probably would have did that too And you know what's crazy though Cause I just didn't want to see it Well all realness I had the chance to do that I probably would have did that too Because You know As an artist That's it But it hurt

It just hurt me watching that And I'm like Damn Cube You went at the Yankees Nobody goes at the Yankees But I didn't see that Yeah

He was banging on the Yankees Yeah I didn't see It was pretty ill I was watching like, oh, shit. Yes. Okay, yes, let's go. Oh, thank you.

Next one. Mr. Lee, you're helping us, bro. Ooh, I'll take this. Acting or modeling? Acting. All day. Acting over modeling? Yeah, see, I started, a lot of people don't know, I started off as an actor.

Before I started doing the modeling stuff. The source stuff came on the side when i was trying to get my acting on i was going to um acting school in uh in new york oh wow yeah so the source was really your first modeling gig yeah source was my first so hip-hop literally launched published yeah your modeling career wow i started with the source. Bigger Benzino and Dave Mays. This was way before Benzino. Way before Dave Mays. This was Eric

Lauren Council. This was a whole different... Remember, the source got sold and bought. How many times? The source started with Dave Mays. And Zeno. Zeno wasn't on.

Zeno was a silent partner but Dave Mays started his doorbell. So it might have been Dave. I never met any of them. Dave was a later. It was probably the guys that signed your check and co-signed. Well, we didn't get paid for it.

Yeah. You signed that check with me For sure I'll be the first to tell you If you gave me a check I would talk about you But if you didn't I don't know you

But surely Dave Mays And Benzino But surely Dave Mays Yeah They were the originators Of the source Yeah Okay so

We're talking about the source right Yeah No we're Quick time He had a model of acting Oh model of acting No no we passed that of the Source. Okay, so we're talking about the Source, right? Yeah. Now we're, well, good time. He had a model of acting. Oh, model of acting. No, no, we passed that, bro. Yeah, because I want to know,

what was the first gig the Source gave you? Yeah, the Source gig was my very first gig. What were you modeling? It was like an editorial. And my mind's at Nietzsche. So they would give you different brands to put on. Was Nietzsche one of them?

I don't think so. I don't know why my mind Anitia is there. No, not that I can remember. Okay. What year was it? Do you know? Shit, I want to say it's 91. Damn.

Damn, that's a super early story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Ice Cube was on the cover. Shit. And he was holding a big ass gun. He must have just left the WA. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think Ice Cube was on the cover. And he was holding a big-ass gun. He must have just left the NWA.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was out of NWA by that time. Wow. No, that was Dre with the gun. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, Cube against Brick Wall, I think the cover was. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the MeatEater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Juice or Boys in the Hood? For me, I have to say both. Okay, I'm taking that. They were both monumental for black films, like classics, yeah. It told two different sides of the story of New York life. Yeah, absolutely. And Cali.

A lot of times, we didn't know they was living like that, and they probably didn't know we was living like how we living. Yeah, absolutely. And Cali. Like, a lot of times we didn't know they was living like that and they probably didn't know we was living like that. How we living? Oh, yeah. Now, this next one

I almost know and I almost could give you the reason why. Mm-hmm. All right. Tony Braxton or Mariah Carey? Damn, I'm going to work with both.

I know. Cheers to Christmas. Damn. I know. Cheers to New Year. I got to say both. Okay, I knew that was my reason. Yeah. I knew he was going to say both and the reason why. I know. Mm. Cheers to Christmas. Hey. I know. Cheers to New Year. I got to say both. OK, I knew that was my reason. I knew he was going to say both.

Reason why. How to? Because Mariah came to your show, Chippin' Down. Yeah, yeah, she came to the show. And then you went to her video the next day. And I went to her video. And then you did a Tony Braxton. Yeah, then I did Tony Braxton.

I'm on point, man. Come on, y'all don't want me to do that. You know what you want me to do, man. Oh. But it didn't work. Oh, you drinking Mamoana? You know where they make that? In a tub. What do they work? Oh, you drink a Mamoana? You know where they make that? In a tub. Oh, my God.

In a tub in Kindle. A tub in Kindle. In a tub in Kindle. At least it's not a toilet in jail. And you know the homegirls you mess with, they make it. The homegirls that you mess with. At least it's not a toilet in jail. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's right. At least it's not that. That should be the tagline. At least it's not a tub in jail. Right. There ain't no a tub in jail. Right. Ain't no tubs in jail. Right. If you in a tub in jail,

I need to know where you at. Why you doing this? Because that is different. Yeah. Okay, I like this one. No, I don't. Nah. I think he should pass it.

Shower posse or sex money murder? Oh, shit. I know both, so. Yeah, I got to go with both. Let's go. That's it. Shottas or biker boys? I'm going to have to say

I do love them both, but I'm going to have to go with biker boys because I was in it. That's right. And then we had Lawrence Fishburne. We had so many people in it. Lawrence Fishburne was in it? Yeah. He wore a mean leather jacket. You ain't know him? Yeah, I was in it. And then we had Lawrence Fishburne. We had so many people in it. Lawrence Fishburne was in it? Yeah, he wore a mean leather jacket.

You ain't know? Yeah, he was in it. That's dope. We had Kadeem Hardison, Lisa Bonet. There were so many people in that one. Nas or Jadakiss? Here you go. Here you go.

I want to say Kiss, but I love Nas as well, man. And they're both such gentlemen. You know? And they represent us so well. I got to say both. Okay. I'm taking a shot. They represent us so well.

I got to say both. Say the baby. Yeah. I got to say both. No, you're like the baby, and we don't like you right now. No, I say both. He didn't say the both for everything. We're going to hit you with something else.

Khaled or drama? What? DJ Khaled or DJ drama? I don't know. I'm kind of like. I know both, but I love drama, though. Drama stay play in my car. I stay playing.

I don't know. I don't think they're the same, though, because drama is like street. Drama make you want. Yeah. You know what I mean? Khaled is more party and having a good time. You pick? Yeah.

Huh? And you pick? Drama. Yeah. I'm drama. But I'm in the gym. I'm drama. But I'm in the gym. I'm working out. I'm listening to drama.

No lie. Him and drama both got fat beef. Yeah. Well, how wouldn't you know that? Yeah. Shout out to drama. Federated them both. Yeah.

Let's do it. He did. Harley or Ducati? Shit. That's a Harley ride spot. Wow. I mean, that's like your name's a Harley. You couldn't even time that right.

100%. That's crazy right there. At the time of the question, you leaded the way. Yo, that's some God timing right there. I mean, I love both of them but as I get older I'm loving the Hollies

more the music I just want Cruz speed of time and Ducati is more like let me get to this bitch crib now that's what it is let me get to this bitch crib now. All right, that type of shit. There you go. That's what it is. Holly is, I'm going to wait.

Let me get to this bitch crib now. I'm going to go. I mean, I'm just. No, you've already picked her up. Okay, Holly, you already picked her up. She's holding on. Yeah, yeah. Y'all going to duck and donuts.

Yeah, no, we're going to be like Prince and take her to Lake Minnetonka. Oh, with the purple water. Yeah, right. Purple water. Okay. I like purple water. Yeah, there you go. Ray Kwan or Ghostface?

Hmm. Damn. Here you go. I'm going with both. Okay, let's go. Jesus water. Yeah, there you go. Ray Kwan or Ghostface? Damn. Here you go. I'm going with both. Okay, let's go. Jesus Christmas. Yeah. Sorry.

I feel bad. You're getting us drunk, man. These are little Cuban coffee cups. Yeah, and they get you fucked up. But you're coming with the great questions. This is hard. You got to ask this one. Miami or L.A.?

Miami all day. That's what I'm talking about, baby. 305. I want the 305 to me, guys. 305, baby. 305. Man, you see, I knew I liked you, man. I can't.

I tried to live out there. I can't. I mean, I can't. L.A.? I said I knew I liked you, but then I'm also L.A. You know what's crazy? I don't know about you, but you can break it down.

I can't do it. I had, at one point in my life, I had business in L.A. So I was renting an apartment for like six months at a time, two months at a time, three months at a time.

I never could actually fully take out a lease for a year. No, me neither. Six months. Yeah, six months. Most I've ever done. Oh, yeah? Because there's a lot of politics that happens.

Drives me crazy. And I would think a person like you could navigate through that way easier. Yeah, I do, but I don't got to be there. I ain't going to be there. You know what I mean? I don't know if this changes the subject a little bit, but what made you leave New York and not go

to L.A. and go to Miami instead? I have family down here. This, for me, is just... Your grandmother or something lived down there. Yeah, my grandmother was down there. I didn't imagine the Caribbean connection. Yeah. You're only an hour and 13 minutes from Jamaica. Yeah. It's easy.

Bro, we are the gateway. We're only an hour apart of y'all. You know how some people Go to like Vegas for the weekend I go to Jamaica for the weekend And where do you hang out In Jamaica Kingston

Okay Yeah cause I got a couple Friends in Kingston Okay So we're all gonna go together Bro Yes I've been to Kingston

I just tell my friend We coming I've been to Kingston I've been to Kingston I've been to Tivoli Goddess It wasn't nice Tivoli I don't know if I went there

It wasn't I went to Kingston though You all fall back from Tivoli Yes I've been there I want to've been to Tivoli Goddess. It wasn't nice. Tivoli Goddess. I don't know if I went there. I went to Kings in the fall. I'm going to go back from Tivoli. Yes, I've been there. I want to go to Montego Bay. How about that? I went to Montego Bay. I've been through all the hoods in America. I went to Montego Bay, Ocho Rios.

I want to leave my hood to go to another. I want to go to Montego. What's the other nice part? Negril, Ocho Rios. Negril, Ocho Rios. Ocho Rios. Why we got to go to Kingston? Let's invite our Kingston friends to Ocho Rios. No. Why we gotta go to Kingston? Let's invite our Kingston friends to Ultra Rio.

No, we're gonna go to Kingston for drink champs. And we're gonna do drink champs at Kingston. North Coast. Vibes Cartel. We need to do Vibes Cartel at Kingston. Vibes Cartel, we see you promoting the rum. Send the rum part to drink champs. We need to see you drinking in the rum part.

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We saw you. We saw you. We saw you. We saw you. or Lost Boys? Shit. I'm going to say both. Okay. I like that. Because I'm still friends with Sticky Fingers. Yeah. This is all sticky. You said a lot of both, man.

Yeah. And then, you know, then remember, Cheeks used to always be down here. That's right. I used to hang out with Cheeks. Yeah, he was on my way. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? He was over there. And the girls. Hey, hey, hey, man. It's our girls. Your cousins. My cousins. way yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Yo, he actually thought about it. He didn't think about it. He's like, that's where she was. Like, that's who she was hanging with. Cheeks, Guru, and Kendall a lot. Yes.

Like, Kendall was the hub. Yeah, no. Yo, Nori lived in Kendall. He knows. We all lived in Kendall. We all lived in Kendall. Yo, crazy. We welcomed everybody.

We welcomed everybody. We welcomed everybody. Sports girl. Only. Never looked at you. Sports girl. Only. I meant OJ and sports girl. Yeah, yeah.

Take a picture. All right. Go take a picture in the beach. I'll take my own date's turn. Well, now, man. Okay. 90s hip-hop or 2000 hip-hop? Shit.

90s hip-hop. That was easy. Yeah. That was easy. I mean, that's what we came up on. Yep. I don't know because I think there was more hunger in the 90s hip-hop. Yes. Yeah. You know what I mean didn't seem like

artists were hungrier you know I mean and that was like the analog days where everyone had to do music in the same studio you couldn't send people a record yeah you couldn't send them back then so Naughty by Nature or

EPMD I gotta say both even though like Yeah. So, Naughty by Nature or EPMD? Hmm. I got to say both. Even though, like, you know. EPMD owes a shot. And Sonny owes a shot. Okay. I'm going to take that one. Yeah.

Eric is down here. He's down here now. Who, Eric B.? No. Yeah, Eric. No, not Eric B., sorry. EPMD. EPMD. Oh, Eric Sherman. Eric Sherman. Yeah, Eric Sherman be clock Eric B, sorry EPMD

Eric Sherman Yeah, Eric Sherman be clocking my outfits He's here You gotta get him on Two times, two times He rides the bikes Yeah, he's a two times And I'll be beginning

He living by himself Holy shit out there Nah, he's here And he's funny as hell. Oh, he's a trick. Oh, he's hilarious. And then Bernard as well. Bernard Alexander.

God damn it. Bernard Alexander. Of course. Love, love. Also friends of... Be on the boats with him. Yes. Yes.

Ah, okay. Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? I say both. Okay. But I was friends with with Mavdeep like you okay

so we taking a shot because you said both rest in peace to Prodigy it was just his birthday it was his birthday or the day he just passed away no 50th birthday

would have been his 50th man rest in peace man Prodigy Pee Wee Albert P Double P Twin Bandana P you know salute to you man Prodigy Peewee Albert P Double P Twin

Bandana P You know Salute to you man Yeah man I heard you say twin Godfather Todd Nitty Havoc

Kai Capone Who's You know Ma Capone Was down with him For Us The whole crew

Infamous Mob Deep Twins Karate Joe everybody you know rest in peace Prodigy man

Salute to all of y'all He's missed bro Yeah man Okay what's the next one Where the fuck did you go Snoop Dogg or Ice Cube Shit

There you go You trying to break up friends. Nah. I say both. All right, cool. God damn you. Sorry, man.

Y'all not making it easy. Y'all not making it easy? You drink, you guys? That's it? I like this one. Okay. Naomi Campbell or Cindy Crawford? Oh, I got to say Naomi.

Yeah, he going to say Naomi. That's my sis. That's my big sis. What's the craziest thing you saw in that world, like between those models? The amount of money that these girls hustled and got. They was, they was, they was, you know, I mean, they're the ones who make the most money in that industry. That's like, yeah. That's a female dominated industry.

Yeah. So they just getting guap here and there. Did you see a beef between them, though? Like, beefs? The way that we know beefs? There was a time that Naomi and Tyra didn't get along.

I would have said Cindy Crawford. You know, this is Dominican and a Colombian over there. Oh, no. It's true. Cindy Crawford? I've met her a couple times, but I don't know. But it was supposed to be Naomi against Tyra. Oh, no. It's cool. Mr. Lee writes the question. I've met her a couple times, but I don't know. But it was supposed to be Naomi against Tyra. Tyra Banks. Oh, okay.

Not cynicism. So you saw them have problems with each other? Let's rewrite this question. Okay. Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks? I like them both. Okay, we can retake the shots. Take the shots back.

Fuck you guys. Take the shots back. Fuck you guys. Take the shots back. Was that the first? Because I just seen a Martha Stewart documentary recently on Netflix. Yeah. And they were saying how much of Martha was considered a bitch, a B-I-T-C-H, because of how much she... Martha's cool people.

I don't know if you hung out with her. But, oh, she's... She's supposed to do drinks. You got to hang out with her. Oh, you got to get her. We almost had her on drinks. You got to get her. Yeah, she wanted us to go to her spot.

We were like, nah, nah, come over here. But they were saying how much... Yo, you got to go. Just go. Yeah, yeah, we were going to go now. We thought about it. I haven't seen the documentary. But they were saying that

if Martha was a woman... I'm assuming if Martha was a man... I was like, that's go. Yeah, yeah. Let's go now. We thought about it. I haven't seen the documentary. But they were saying that if Martha was a woman, I'm assuming, if Martha was a man, I was like, yeah, yeah. We done fucked up now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If Martha was a man,

her attitude, I'm sorry, guys. If Martha was a man, her attitude, her antics wouldn't have been looked at as nothing. It wouldn't have been controversial.

It wouldn't have been controversial, but they said the fact that, you know, she was a woman, and people didn't see that from a woman. So I'm asking you, you know, from Tyra Banks, who has a very successful business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Newby Campbell, who...

Yeah, they're very successful. But do you think that they were ever labeled something just... And they were doing the same things that men were doing, but they were women. Oh yeah, 100%. 100% getting labeled that. Getting labeled whatever.

Yeah, because they were women. I mean, a woman's going to tell you what she want. You know what I mean? She's going to tell you. If you can hang, you can hang. If you can't, then you can't. A real woman's gonna tell you the truth.

That's right. So, for them... Yeah, right! I went too far. I went too far. Yeah, no. No, but that's true. But that's true. That's one way for that, too.

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And he's like, but had a man do that, no one would have even turned their face. No one questioned it. I want to big up to the woman that go through that. You know, the Nicki Minaj's, the Tyra Banks, the... Meg Thee Stallion. Meg Thee Stallion. And all of them, yeah. Naomi Campbell, the Cardi B's.

The Cardi B's. Cardi B's Sexy Red Sexy Red Gorillaz Glorilla yeah Glorilla I say Gorillaz what's Glorilla's killing it right now

she's in Bali right now she's in Bali Big Up Lotto as well Ice Spice of course yeah Ice Spice yeah she's so the Bronx and New York

bro who's the new chick the dochiice. Yeah, she's so good. The Bronx and New York. Who's the new chick? Who's living here? It's on the mic. The Dochi, right? She's off the chain, dog. Who's the one that's living in Bali right now? Ain't living in Bali? What's her name?

I don't know. The fuck? No, she's from America. And she got blamed for being mean to her staff. Oh. Lizzo. I ain't want to describe. Lizzo's in Dochi. I want to describe. Lizzo's in

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You heard? Lizzo's in Bali? Oh, what a lost weight. Yeah. You can say that. I can't say that.

Why I can say that? I don't know. You got a different audience when you leave your house. I got a different audience. She lost weight? Yeah. You don't be in public

swaying for me like that. What you did? What did she say? What did she say? You ain't so brave now. She lost weight, yeah. You don't be in public swinging for me like that. What you saying? What did she say? You ain't so brave now. She's in Bali though? Yeah, she's in Bali. Like, Rosa Simmons type of Bali shit?

There's only one Bali, sir. Oh, she's in Bali. She out there jumping rope and shit like that. Exactly. She's losing weight. That was the first question I had. Oh my God.

Yeah. Hold on real quick. Don't fuck this up right now. Oh my God. Yeah. Hold on real quick. Don't fuck this up right now. We got a good moment. We got a good moment. Don't you fuck this up right now. He's a professional. Let him speak.

I just want to ask TB this. TB this? What the fuck? You got cool waves like that. TB. You didn't mind this shit. No, no. It was weird to me.

I didn't say that. Okay. No, no, it was weird to me. Oh, he said it. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. He tried to follow you in the bathroom. I don't know why. What is the best advice Naomi Campbell ever gave you? Because when you talk about her, you talk about her. Get this money. Sorry, that's all.

Get this money. Yeah, she's got a very get this money attitude. So, yeah, I think that's probably something that I learned from her. I wouldn't say it's advice. I'd say it's something I learned. Like she told you straight up, get this money. I like that.

Get this money. Now I think we're at a point where it's a legacy. I'm thinking so much the money now, it's a legacy. You want to leave something and say, okay, I did that. Right. Okay. The last two minutes.

Yeah, man. Push your favorite. Who's this? Who's this? Who's this? Mr. Lee. Fabian? Yeah, it's probably Mr. Lee.

It is definitely Mr. Lee. Why'd you guys put Fabian? Fabulous, you mean? No, but he put Fabian? Yeah, it's probably Mr. Lee. It is definitely Mr. Lee. Why'd you guys put Fabian? Fabulous, you mean? No, but he put Fabian. I haven't had the pressure meeting. I haven't had the pressure meeting. No, hold on. You have to answer it this way.

Okay. Is it Pusher or is it Fabian? And you better answer. I don't know if it's Fabian. I know if it's Fab. Yo, Fabulous, Mr. Lee just named you Fabian. That should be your next album. And you fully embrace your Dominican side, man.

Fabian. Fabian. How do you make his street name Dominican? That takes a consecrated Dominican. Yeah, that takes a consecrated Dominican. Fabian. How you make his street name Dominican? That takes a consecrated Dominican. Yeah, that takes a consecrated Dominican. Fabian.

Fabian. Fabian. Yeah, that was good. I feel like Fabian got ass curls and everything. Fabian's hair going like this. He wearing moose.

He wearing moose. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. You know, Fab already wear ankle bracelets and shit, so he already like, he already like,

he different. He good. So Fab already like, he already like, he different. He good. So Fabian or J.D. on? No, Pusher. Pusher or Fabian? Oh, it's Pusher. Oh, Pusher. Yeah.

Both Mr. Newsome. I'm having the pleasure to meet Pusher. But Fab, I know. And Fab's a stand-up guy. So, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Make some noise for Fab. Yeah.

Last one. Yeah, man. Let me get back into the interview. Go ahead. Loyalty or respect? so yeah yeah that's right make some lotion fat last one yeah man loyalty or respect shit that's a that's a really good question I say both that's the right answer

to me and EFN yeah come on why you telling us tell I told him I told him oh he's your Jamie for this episode

we gotta take a shot we gotta take a shot yeah love the answer too it was a good one Mr. Lee used to be our bottle boy oh yeah

and then and then Jack Thriller said y'all got a bottle boy he was like Mr. Lee you fired man you can't have nobody calling you a bottle boy you was too much of a boss

for anybody to mistake you for that. That's it. You missed the lead man fire from that job ever since. That's it. In a good way. In a good way. Yes. All right, Cole. Let's go back to these notes. Okay. Okay. You got a sunglasses line? I had one.

Yeah, I had one. I had it at the worst time. Why? I launched three things at the worst time. Okay. I launched a fragrance and sunglasses all during the fucking pandemic. It just was, I had it all going. Things they want to see all smell good during the pandemic. Right.

They locked down. Yeah. So during that window of time, it was not good. Yeah. It's not good. So you said three of time, it was not good. Yeah. It's not good. So you said three, you said sunglasses, and then a fragrance.

Back for garage was like a... That's where you sell guns? Yeah, no, we sold like hats and t-shirts. Okay. Out your garage.

No, not my actual garage, but yeah. But that was the theory. That was the concept. Okay. Garage meaning cars, bikes, guns. Wow. You know. Damn, he threw guns in there? He likes guns. Cars. but that was the theory that was the concept okay garage meaning cars bikes guns wow

you know damn he threw guns in there like he likes guns cars guns are in everything your garage guns

guns are everywhere guns are everywhere I'm in in the world we live in we ain't never getting rid of them you know nah now we just gotta

learn how to handle them correctly and make sure that they're they're locked down when they're supposed to be locked down. Make sure they don't get in the wrong hands. That's kind of been a problem with a lot

of the school shootings and things like that nature. A lot of these people were able to access these guns the incorrect way. We now need to teach them the correct way. I'm an NRA certified instructor and range security officer. So for me, I take it

important, especially now that I'm on sets. I make sure like, hey, bring that. Can you see that? All right. You know, I need to run a course with my actors so that they go through the gun safety rules because that's going to keep a lot of people safe because you don't want what happened to Alec Baldwin to happen to you that was wild

and then with his situation was it's not the actors he got convicted? no they tried to convict him and they got dismissed because it wasn't his fault, right? It was the actual prop stunt guy. Yeah, it was that person

who should have took care of that. So what was the case? He had an actual live bullet in there? Yeah, I guess they had gone... No, it wasn't a real bullet, but it was a stunt bullet that killed the person. No, it was a real bullet mixed in with the stunt bullets. Really? I thought it was a real bullet. Really? Mixed in with the stunt bullets. Really?

I thought it was a stunt bullet that actually killed. Yeah. I don't know if a stunt bullet can kill you. It's a blank. Right. No, but I thought it was something. There's no projectile in it for it to go out because you have the case. You have the gunpowder inside the case, and then you have the actual bullet in the front.

That oversight is wild that they would have a live bullet even near no that's it shouldn't have one yeah shouldn't have one at all so that wasn't alex for at all no that's like we're trying to say it was your fault why the person uh got drunk right it's not your fault they drank it is sometimes i mean we'll get blamed. No, no, no. We're going to fuck around. Yeah, I'm fucking around. I'm fucking around. We end up in the studio. That's good, John. So let me ask you, right? Yeah.

There's a time in all of our lives, you know, you sit down, you talk to a certain individual, and you look and you be like, man, I can feel like this person is into me. I can do that. I can go there if I want to go there. Go where? Just hit me out. You can rewind time. Or forward time, depending on which way you look at it.

Okay. You sat down with Oprah. Did you ever feel like she gave you the googly eyes? Like she want to cock you? Oprah know how to talk to you, though. Like you had a chance. You never felt like it like a little bit Stedman was in the room

Oprah Stedman what's his name you talk about something totally different I talk about something totally different he asking you if Oprah wanted to rip if Oprah wanted to rip no I'm just saying I'm just saying

he had a chance did I have her have a chance. Did I ever have a chance? No, no, no. Never like that. It was all professional. Okay. But if Oprah had come at me, is she coming with Gale?

Oh, you wanted a double action? I'm getting one. Oh, damn. You going in. I'm just getting one. Anyway. I didn't think about that. He was like,

that'll get the boy there. He had Hayley and Kendall. Let's go. anyway I didn't think about that he was like dale que te puede that's it that's all he's a Hialeah and Kendall there you go I tell you Doral Kendall

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All right. So, okay, let's get back to the notes. Okay. We can talk about the sunglasses line. Yeah, we just did. And you used to hang out with Trump when Trump was cool. I mean, I ran into him a few times, and I worked for him for the Miss Universe. I was a judge.

How was that? Miss Universe. That was a judge. How was that? That was cool. I mean, the experience was amazing. You ever see him grab pussy? No, I never see him do that. But, you know, Buddy was trying to go backstage and I was like, I can't do that.

I'm a judge. Who was trying to go backstage? He was talking about going backstage. But why you say he was trying to take you backstage? Yeah, go hang out for a little bit. Go see a little... That's when he grabbed pussy.

Basically, kind of showed me around. And you were like, nah? Nah, I'm good. We weren't allowed to fraternize with the contestants. So I had to keep my distance.

Wow, that's ill that you were able to be like, nah. I don't know if he remembered the rules, but yeah. Nah, he didn't remember the rules. Probably didn't. He's like, fuck the rules. Probably didn't, but yeah. Probably didn't. He's like, fuck the rules. Yeah, probably didn't. But, yeah. Because, I mean.

But I would see him at, I once ran into him at a Laker game. And I was like, yo, what's up, Donald? Trump at a Laker game? Yeah, this was a while back. Was the Knicks playing? What is he doing at a Laker game? No, he was just out in L.A. I was just out in L.A. I forgot who was playing that day.

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Before the Spiderman people? Yeah, before. He was kind of hanging out. Way before the politics. He started to hang out in all the hip-hop spots. Yeah, he was with Snoop, Ross. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're saying it's before even that. Yeah, he used to hang out. I mean, this is... You're saying that is before or it's before even he hung out in the hip-hop spots?

No, before he used to hang out in the hip-hop spots. Hip-hop loved Trump. Yeah, but yeah, that was back then. Right, right. But then, you know... He flipped on the Latino community. Yeah. And what's crazy, anytime I see a Latino kind of like supporting him, it's just always detrimental to me.

When I see, you know, Latino Republicans, I'm kind of like, I'm disappointed. Really? You're disappointed? Yeah. I understand why. I don't get that shit. It's just like, I don't get you. You don't see him throwing fucking toilet paper to us. Right.

He throwing it to us. He throwing it to us. You don't want to shake our hands. You know what I'm saying? People have amnesia. They forget how bad it was. Yeah. Yeah. They forget some of the things that was said. They forget amnesia all the time.

It's a funny joke, and I know my Cuban friends might not like this, but it's a funny joke. And I know my Cuban friends might not like this. But it's a funny joke. Hey, I'm Cuban. Relax. I know. It's a funny joke where they say that the Cubans land here and then turn around and they be like, hey, tell the Dominicans to leave. And then the Dominicans land here and then they say, hey, tell the Mexicans to leave.

It's true. It's absolutely true. And it's like, damn. But let me tell you why that's true. OK. Can I tell you why it's true? We've all been affected by colonialism. Yes.

We have all been brainwashed by colonialism. It is affected generationally. Agreed. Yeah. And I don't think even people understand what that even means. Yeah. But that's how much it's affected us. You know the AC?

Oh, yeah. That fan is like, I see the breeze going. Shit. I'm freezing Oh my bad I'm hot as hell Yeah cause you got on the I don't feel

No I don't feel nothing Sitting on Nah we drink it We drink it like a motherfucker We drink it like shit Let's do shots I'm trying to find This old picture

Okay So um Not with the reggae stars Now This rumor comes out This is the first time I heard you speak Jamaican. It's Pato, not Jamaican.

It's FYI. I'm going to call it Jamaican. You can do it, man. All right. Because when I hear other, you know. That I can do better. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. That was the first time, like. And, I mean, I know you addressed it before. Yeah. But, I mean, I know you addressed it before. Yeah. But, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Hey, you guys stopped yesterday, baby. Red light, green light.

I don't know. Because I heard you say something that made a lot of sense to me. Yeah. It's like sometimes when you're getting beef with somebody, they say there's something that's going to be the most hurtful. Yeah, they try to. Yeah. Yeah.

They try to. Is that what you think happened with you guys? Yeah, 100%. Okay. 100. Yeah. They try to. Is that what you think happened with you guys? Yeah, 100%. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah.

No. Hang on. I'm not going to be on the checklist. I'm going to tell you the truth. Right, right. And that's honorable, bro. So let me say something. That's what a real man is supposed to do.

Yeah. Oh, shoot. I do go hog hunting, though. You do? Yeah. What gun do you use for that? I usually use like a.308, like a rifle, and a.45. I just got this new Ruger.454.

It's a big gun. Let me change back to subject for a second. Do you eat the hog or no? No. I donate it to whoever is into it. Wait, hog? Yeah. You hunt hog or no? No. I donate it to whoever is into it. Wait, hog? Yeah. You hunt hog?

Okay. Because you have a set that are very malicious to property. Yeah. And they will kill dogs and shit like that. Warthogs, yeah. They got fangs. Yeah. Oh, warthogs?

Yeah. There's nature down here, boy. They weren't originally in here, in Florida. Yeah. They were brought by the Spanish and then it wreaked

havoc. So I heard one time. Sorry. Wild things. So I heard one time. I heard one time that I believe it might have been

after the Cariche picture that you said you stopped taking pictures with girls at one point. Yeah, just for a little bit

because I was like, it was disheartening, man. So what was it, the girls' captions? It wasn't even my idea to take the picture. So for me, I was just jumping in the picture. Never thought nothing about it. Was it the girls' captions that, like... I don't know what sparked Homeboy.

Yeah. No, no, no, I'm talking about Imperia because I guess I get Chris Brown is one incident. Yeah, because I think a lot of times people just... They automatically think that picture means... Yeah.

Oh, he's smashed. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's a small-minded thinker. Things like that. But you know what? Not to help out that rumor, but Faith Evans is my homegirl.

I never, ever asked her straight up. I just, I don't have the courage to ever say, you know, have you ever been with Tupac, right? I just don't have the courage, right? I even had her on here. She admitted some shit. She admitted a lot of shit on here.

But she didn't admit Tupac. I mean, that was Tupac adjacent. I don't know. But I never had to. So my point of trying to say that is, my point of trying to bring that up is, if that never happens, the only evidence there is

is that one picture of her and Tupac together. But wasn't that taken to the club or something? It was taken to the club. So, what I'm saying is is that a reason is people just seeing you with a female

they automatically... Yeah, they automatically... They don't think you can have a platonic relationship? Exactly. Yeah. It's hard being you, bro. Yeah, it is, bro.

Yo, man, let's make... But I have fun, though. Let's make some noise with you, man. I looked at it every which way, and I was like, damn. I'm just a cool, I'm a cool dude, bro. A person who don't know you. A person who don't know you. Yeah, but it's...

You sitting there, not a sucker. Right. You clean cut. Y'all know me for a long time. I don't come around acting brand new Like I'm this good looking guy I'm going to take all your bitches No I don't never be like that

That was never my smell You know what I mean I got thrown into this You know Most men are just as insecure as women Really are No more insecure than women More insecure

Yeah I would think so I would say that That men are just as insecure as women. Really are. No, more insecure than women. More insecure? Yeah, I would think so. I would say that. That men are more insecure. I would say I've seen a lot of that. You've seen more insecure men? What? Yeah.

That's me? Oh, I see it all. Really, bro? By looking at your wife, she do got a nice ass. Because I even see Big Boy. You do the interview with Big Boy. And it was funny as hell. But at one point, I felt like Big Boy was being serious. And he was like, if you ever see a girl named such and such,

it's your show. And I'm looking. And I can tell Big Boy's playing. But a part of me is like, maybe not. Maybe not. Just maybe not. Because, I mean, it's just like, most women know that if you go to this Usher show, Usher might serenade you. Right.

Or marinate you. Or marinate you. So you might not be doing too much marinating. Yeah, he's still marinating and serenading. But you had Chippendales. Yeah. That was a good run, bro. Yeah.

Now, Chippendales, for people that don't know, Yeah Now Now Chippendales For people that don't know Was that a New York based thing At first What's that I think they started out in New York They started out in New York They have a whole Movie and documentary

I think it was Scores was the first female And then I believe Chippendales was the first male Yeah yeah They were the first male Was that true Yeah

And then You actually got offered this gig Yeah You actually don't even Really even get naked Wow It's like they were the first male. Was that true? Yeah. And then, you actually got offered this gig. Yeah. And you actually don't even really even get naked. Wow. It's like, starts off.

Right. You don't, yeah, you don't see nothing. Right. So he's like, I can do that. I mean,

I'm in, I'm in. What did you say? I didn't even use laugh. I didn't even use laugh. Hey, shave that chest hair. Are you in there? Hey, for you, Slav. The guy rewinding time! Hey! Shave that chest hair,

and you in there. Hey, I'll take you to the gym with me. You can come with me. Me and you. I'll take you to the gym. You ain't much older than me, so stop playing. So look,

because a lot of people, a lot of men, and like I said, I also watched you on Big Boy, and he said, that's got to be the most awkwardest thing in the world for a guy to be like, hey, man, can we take a picture of your show tonight? Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, if you're usher or something. But I get men all the time, yo, let me take a picture with you. Let me show my wife. Let me show my girlfriend.

You know what I mean? So a lot of times, that's a get out of jail call for them. I was like, yo, man. That's not a get out of jail call for nobody. Yeah. If they think you out here slinging some shit, no. No. What the fuck is you doing with him?

Yeah. That's true. Could be that. That could be that. I bury you, picture. Could be that. But a lot of guys, they be like, yo, my wife's going to love me. I show her. I'm like, yo, let me do it. Yeah, those are weird people. I respect them, pitcher. Could be that. But a lot of guys, they be like, yo, my wife's going to love me. I show her.

I'm like, yo, let me do it. Yeah, those are weird people. I respect them, though. Yeah, no, I respect that, too. I respect them, though. I respect them. They got an angle. I just don't know where it's coming from.

Yeah, but it's never inappropriate. Right, right. Angle, so. So, like I said, that's the first two things. But Chippendales is like this big, big, big thing. And this is in Vegas. This is a residency. So these people approach you.

What do you think? This is your agent coming at you? Or how is this deal? How that deal came about? Well, they just called my manager at the time uh yeah and just say hey you know because you have a lot of people who who've been on dancing with the stars uh go there and host chippendales afterwards because they get you get a lot of press and you know you're in the press almost every week when you're with them you get a lot of exposure with doing that okay so and it's also like an experience that you gotta say yo i did that you know i say, yo, I did that. You know what I mean? You got your grandkids here.

Your grandpa was out there. I mean, that's kind of it. You did Chippendales, man. That's crazy. In Vegas. In Vegas. In Vegas, yeah. That's wild.

You got to say, bye. Yeah, like, only you and Sonny can say that. It's on the sex symbol checkoff list. Chippendales, yeah, I did that one. You know, played James Bond, yeah, you know, did that one. It's on the list, man. You got to kind of do it. Like the other day I saw a list of the top,

I pulled up my phone, the top ultimate sexy men of all time. Yo, this is a serious list. Somebody sent it to me and was like, yo, you got to see this. Sonny, relax, you're a serious list. Somebody sent it to me and was like, yo, you got to see this. Sonny, relax. Harper's Bazaar, 50 sexiest men of all time. And I'm like, yo, that's kind of crazy to be on that list because they got me on this list with like James Dean and all these other, you know. And there's a good amount of like John Legends on there. It's a good amount of black men are now deemed, you know what I mean?

Because before it was like Cary Grant and all these other dudes way before us. I mean, not to say that I'm the first good looking man, you know, but you got to look at how they looked at it. You know, there was actors in the 30s and the 20s who were great looking black men, but they never. Cali Berrafonte. Yeah, right. Yeah. I don't know if Harry's on there. He might be.

Yeah. He was a sniper. Yeah, he was a sniper. A lot of people don't know Martin Luther King was a sniper. Yeah, I hear this. I heard this. I heard this. You got to relax. I heard this.

Martin Luther King. You heard what I just said? Yeah, I heard that. Martin Luther. I heard Martin Luther King. You called him Martin Sniper King. Relax. Relax.

Relax. Relax. I still believe it's politics. Yes, it is. Yeah, relax. Ain't nothing changed for me with Bill Clinton. I'm still voting the next year in my mind. Yeah.

I still with Bill Clinton. You know what's right for the country. That's right, man. Yeah, he's smart, man. And he was relaxed while he did it. That's right. Yeah, she did. Who, Bill?

Bill Clinton. Yeah, Bill Clinton. Who, Bill? Bill Clinton. It was relaxed. Bill was a wild boy. He's so relaxed. And let's respect Monica Lewinsky. He ran a play in Saxo. Bill, you're wild. But doing her American duty.

That's right. And she came out. Monica Lewinsky did more of the country than you did, nigga. And you know she's Canadian. She's Canadian? I don't know. Dang. It takes us back.

I thought she was from know Dang It takes us back It takes us back to Canada I thought she was from Canada That was the 90s That was the 90s The 90s was a wild time IA is the best time ever Yo it was a really great time

Yeah if I could go back to the time machine I'm going back That's why we rewind the time That's it Rewind the time 90s is cool bro That's why we rewind

That's right Let's make a toast We're gonna rewrite the time too That's why we're playing. Let's make a toast. We're going to re-white the time, too. We're going to see it. Re-white the time, man. Re-white the time. Okay, let me go back to my notes. You got some good...

You was doing your research. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You were digging in the bag. Come on. Okay, come on. So, you got an OnlyFans? That's not the one. No, you got one.

I mean, people have said to me. He had to be a twerker, literally. Hey, some of them girls are making like crazy money. And they only showing feet. Yeah. They ain't even showing them. Yo, let it up. Ask Sonny how much you're making on OnlyFans.

On OnlyFans? Sonny, how much? Sonny. I'm making $10 a month. It ain't worth it. Hey, isn't the fee more than that, though? I think you got to pay a monthly fee. Yeah, the fee is $10 a month. The fee is $10.

Okay, so he get his money and he go out. Yeah, he break it even. At least he break it even. Hey, small business, man. We got to keep going. Man, we believe in you, man. Keep going. Support your local small businesses, please.

Small businesses, that's right. The OnlyFans, okay. No, none of that. Because I've seen even the girl from Soprano's got an OnlyFans. Meryl Soprano? No, not Meryl. Not you. What's the, Jamie?

Not Jamie. The daughter? I forgot her last name. Ah, we don't know. The one that was married to Chris. Christopher. The Blanche Adriana

Adriana Oh really Yeah Adriana But women I mean You gotta think about Only fans is more designed To women

What She said her son Is her photographer So what'd she do I ain't got only fans Seriously Bro we gotta know We gotta understand

We gotta look it up We gotta do some research I don't think You make it crazier When you say her son Look it up. We got to do some research. I don't think it's every only... You're making it crazier when you say her son is... Look it up. That's why we got a Googler.

We don't Google. You know our Googlers aren't that good. Damn. He's right there. It's Columbia. Come on. And he got a Mets hat.

Go Google it. Right. Yeah. What's that name? Where you get that hat from? Okay, damn. I don't know why I thought Jamie.

My bad. What's her name? And... And... Okay. Where'd you get that hat from? Okay, damn. I don't know why I thought Jamie. My bad. What's her name? Adriana. And? Okay. What part of Queens you from? And then? Oh, shit.

He could wear that hat. What did you say about OnlyFans? You didn't see? Like, her son films are OnlyFans. That's weird. So what I'm saying is... Is she naked? She must not be naked.

I was asking you. Check your account. Yeah, check your account. I know Mr. Lee got one. Yeah, Mr. Lee got an O. Yeah, he know you got one, bro. They said I got one, but I can't... I don't know my passcode, so I ain't never getting in there.

Sheila's kind of okay. Okay? Like, not too crazy, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Look, he got an OnlyFans account. Come on, man. Come on, okay. Okay? Like, not too crazy, right? Yeah, that's about it. He got the only fans in California. He got the only fans in California. Come on, man. Pull that up.

But it does say her son takes the picture. Look, I just told you. I didn't see the picture. Yo, any son taking this picture is a fucking piece of shit, bro. Wait, who's the piece of shit? The mother or the son? Yeah. Bro.

Oh, shit. Nah, that mother's a piece of shit. Oh, shit. Nah, the son's a fucking... How old is the son? Well, you know what? You're right. The mother's a piece of shit Oh shit Nah the son's a fucking How old is the son Well you know what You're right The mother's a piece of shit

Yeah I said that Yeah you said that He said that No I asked Any mother allowing the son to do that Yeah That's child abuse

To a certain extent It's child abuse Yeah What the fuck How did we get here Number one Number one How did we get here, number one? Number one, how did we get here?

Yeah, this is drinking. But imagine the son walking through and be like, yo, your mom's hot. Yeah.

In school. Yo, I saw your mom. Or in Taco Bell. In Taco Bell? I mean, this shit happens. It must be real good.

This shit happens, man. He's like, ooh, Gordita Crunch. Let's go. A lot of girls are making a lot of money.

So, yeah. That's it. So when you stripped for Mariah Carey. I'm sorry. It just hit my head. See how he said that? When you stripped for Mariah Carey. Hey, man.

Basically, calm down. I just had no shirt on. You just had no shirt on? I had no shirt on, yes. Did Nick Cannon call you? No, this was before. Oh. Yeah, it had to be way before.

Did Derek Jeter? Who was Derek Jeter? No, no, she was, I think she was single. She was single? She was in Vegas at the time. Okay. She was out there working on something. I forgot what it was.

And you, obviously. She hung out a few times, but I've known Mariah forever. Okay. You know? Right. She friendzoned me, and then that was it. I respect her. Yeah.

I respect you. That was from, like, way back. I think she was still with Tommy at the time. Matola. Yeah. That's right. We was always friends. Pino Grigio.

Yeah. That's right. Always been cool. So let me rewind time a little bit. Rewind the time. Okay. How did Oprah smell? Damn, I don't even remember that. That's right. Always been cool. So let me rewind time a little bit. Rewind the time. Okay. How did Oprah smell?

Damn, I don't even remember that. Damn. Yeah, she smelled like a rich girl. I was about to say like a billion dollars? Yeah. And cherries? Yeah, probably a trillion dollars or something like that. A trillion? A trillion dollars had a smell.

Yeah. Because this is before Ozempic. Yeah. Why, she did Ozempic? Her and Fat Joe is the face of Ozempic. Fat Joe too? Yes. Nah, bro. What are you talking about? Fat Joe ain't do Ozempic, bro. He lives by it. What are you talking about?

Nah. Nah. I said I can't see. He said, well, my Ozempic is working. I can see. He loves it. Nah, nah. He's not ashamed of it. He's diabetic. Yeah. working I can see yeah that's subscribe from his doctors he's not he's not terrible yeah he's not he's not remember that it was a prescription that's terrible but yeah people use it for diet Joe was skinnier than me and you. He was already skinny, though. Almost that big.

No, bro. I was in the war in nineteen fucking ninety-nine. It was not that bad. That joke was... If you want to pull a bad joke picture in nineteen ninety-nine, bro, you need to relax.

I'm just saying. He just... No, I'm just saying. It saved his life. He's the OG of the... Fuck that. Fuck that. He's the OG.

I'm going to go take a piss for a second. Yeah, that's right. Fuck that. The Cuban shit is... Holy second. Yeah, I was going to get you fucking pissed. The Cuban shit is... I got to go too. Holy shit. Yeah, but I forgot what we were saying.

For a drinking show, you guys should have had some urinals, man. Hey, yeah. Shit. That's a bar. This should be a bar. Hey, man. Yes, we usually have that.

We usually have that, but, you know, we're here. We're in a... We're here. We're in a public store. Yeah, we wanted to rewind time. And look at that smile. That lets you know. I know, right?

It lets you know. I am rewinding the line. I'm a smizer in the mind. I'm a smizer in the mind. I'm a smizer. So you getting to see hip-hop. And I know this sounds like a so cliche question, but I really want to ask this.

Did you ever think that hip hop would make it this far? I kind of did because how it evolved, how we went from, you know, growing up to like groups from like UTFO to NWA to, you know, Mobb Deep to... Poor Righteous Teaches. Yeah, you see it. Brand new man. Yeah.

You know, we were probably the best car salesman to ever do it, hip hop. Every new car that came out, we was able to sell it. You know, from Jay-Z's line, it's a 4.6 month, whatever the hell it was. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it was just like, we've been helping this country to do what it does.

I'm on the fashion side of it. I see it. That's all colleagues. You think of all the different Fashion lines That came out of hip hop And the way people dress And you know There's so many lines

That if you go back And count From the apple bottoms All the way Nah I was even happy To wear Esco at one point Yeah

I wore Esco You know what Esco was like One of the first Big up to Willie Esco as well Yeah yeah Willie was He was

You know He was groundbreaking You know, he was groundbreaking. You know? And he also helped Damien John and them. Willie Esco, okay. Yeah, yeah. He got people going and stuff. So it's all a history. And, you know, hip-hop has been a part of that.

You know? So, yeah, I do... You did think hip-hop would make it that far. I did see it was going to go far. Now, it's not a play on words. It's not a play on words. It's bigger than we all imagined, though, for sure. Definitely bigger than what we all imagined. You said you compared it to a bike ride.

Yeah, once a biker, always a biker. All right, so now let me switch it up a little bit. Because you really, that's 12 o'clock. Yeah. Is that the ultimate goal for a biker? If you can't 12 o'clock? I mean, the track racing is the ultimate goal. A lot of the kids in the hood, wheelieing is the goal.

Right. I mean, that's like bike 101. You learn that shit right away. 12 o'clock. Yeah, because if you let your clutch out too fast and too much gas, you're going to wheelie anyway. Right. So you might as well learn to control it. Put much gas, you're going to wheelie anyway. Right. So you might as well learn to control it. Put it up, put it down whenever you want to.

So I can pretty much do that with a dirt bike, with a street bike, a four-wheeler, you know. And I just wheelied my car the other day. What? Yeah. Okay. No, the Demon 170. So I got this drag car. It no, the Demon 170. So I got this drag car. It's called a Demon 170.

It runs on alcohol. Wait, alcohol? Yeah, alcohol. Drank jams. E85. Yeah, that's alcohol. Alcohol ingested. Not Hennessy.

Huh? Not Hennessy. Not Hennessy. Oh, okay. I'm about to say I need to buy this car today. Okay. Tonight. The car is 1,000 horses, 25.

So I hit the gas one day and it just lifted up. So I was like, oh, this is the first time I've ever wheelied the car. Drag race cars do that because of the horsepower. All right. Next time I do it, I'll try filming for you. Now, let me just, let me add.

So, we basically established you're an adrenaline junkie. Yes. You jump out of planes? Yeah, I jumped out of planes. Oh, look, I just, I went there. I just jumped out of planes

in September for a TV show. With Redman? No, Redman, Redman is serious. Redman do it for fun. He's super serious. He's serious, yeah. He do it for fun. He's down solo jumping. He's super serious. He's serious. He do it for fun.

He's down solo jumping. He's in it. He's in solo jumping. I'm still tandeming. I'm still tandeming. Yeah, so I still got- You knew the word? Yeah.

That means he's still going with the person. Right. Seven more jumps. I just said it. He goes to the person. You did jump by himself? I need to jump seven more times. I'm going to jump seven more times.

Because you don't have to. Does that mean you got to pull your own parachute? Yeah, yeah. Like Redman's doing. Yeah. It's a window. And he stops smoking weed to jump out of the window. Yeah, yeah.

Because you don't want to be high when you do it. Yeah, yeah. Because you're like, oh, my God. And then you look at your altimeter. And you're like, I should have pulled my chute at 7,000. I'm at 4,000 now. I'm sitting there talking to Redman going to Lior and shit. And he's like, I'm like, yo, Swimmin' Swimmin' Land, I got it rolled already.

I was like, yo, I got everything. He's like, yo, Nori. And he's filming me. He has a camera. This is weird, by the way. Why the fuck this red man has a fucking camera yeah but he's like norby don't worry about it we good as soon as we land but he's not telling me he doesn't smoke but something about it is like he's not connecting with me so i'm like oh okay

i'm like all right cool i land i go straight to the smoking section and he's nowhere to be found i mean everybody's like hey, Red kind of stopped smoking, but he jumps out of planes now. And I was like, damn, that's a high for a high. Yeah. That's a high for a high. It's a crazy high. Yeah.

It is a crazy high. Never experienced something like that before. Because you're like, this plane is good. It works. There's nothing wrong with it. It's not crashing. It's not burning. But you're going to go out that door.

And that shit is no joke. that shit is no joke once your feet are hanging out the plane and you're just like i'm about to jump out of the fucker and then the person never say one two three he just one i don't i don't i don't need the one two three let's go yeah and then it's like you immediately, you're falling. You're falling, falling. So you get up to about 125 to 150 miles an hour, depending on your weight. That's how fast you're coming down. Going down. And you just hear, all you hear is vroom in your ears.

It's like an airplane. Yeah. You're falling. You're falling out of a plane. You're falling at 15,000 feet. So I jumped at 13,000. I've jumped at 15,000. And it's just the higher you go, the louder it gets.

Sounds like fun. It's crazy. Yeah, you look like the helicopter. But then when you pop. That's my bucket list right there do that like you're just floating around still falling though

let's do it drink chance all of us are you ready I'll go with y'all I'm in I'll go with y'all Maui, Hawaii

I'll do it Dubai Dubai that's where I want to go jump next alright let's go Dubai all of us Dubai

there's no smoking there there's a good one right here, Miami Skydive. You can't smoke in Dubai, bro. I said there's no smoking in Dubai. Yeah. You take the gummies. The gummies. Oh, yeah.

The Dubai. Fix them in the real ones. Yeah, but I don't know. Let's take a look at the picture. Yes, Tyson. Let me just tell you something, man. You can control it. Yeah.

You get, you jump. Well, the pilot takes you back over to where you were around. And you could be 50, you could be, you could be off a good maybe 20 miles or so. But you, you know, when you jump, when you're jumping, you can steer yourself in which direction you need to go. And then when you tap, you can steer yourself in what direction you need to go. And then when you pop, you can, you can steer again. So this is crazy. So Tyson, man, I just want to tell you, man, I thank you so much for blessing your presence with this show. But I thank you so much for what you did for the culture.

Yes. What you did for us, what you did for me and him personally, what you did for me personally, for breaking down the doors, for not being afraid to walk into rooms that you are the only person there and you're going to be who exactly we want you to represent, who exactly we want, who we wanted you to be. Yeah. And you make us proud.

Thank you, brother. You make us want to, you know what I mean, salute you every day. You make us want to say, damn. I salute you back. Thank you. You know, thank you want to, you know what I mean, salute you every day. You make us want to say, damn, thank you, you know, thank you for walking, you know, and thank you for putting yourself in a position where now you have, you know,

it was at one point where Young Brothers, that's all they had was sports or rap. And you know, you open that other door. Listen, you can go be a supermodel. You can go be an actor. You can go be, you know, produce your own movies. You can go write supermodel. You can go be an actor. You can go be, you know, produce your own movies.

You can go write your own movies. You can go do all that. You can go make your own fragrance. Make your own brands. Do your own brand. Especially the We Wine. You know, do your own sunglasses brand.

Do your own fragrance, whatever, whatever. Regardless of what, you sat there, you conquered these worlds. You did it. Failure is always going to happen,

but you got to keep picking yourself up afterwards. But we thank you, man. We appreciate you, and we want to give you keep picking yourself up afterwards. But we thank you, man. We appreciate you, and we want to give you your flowers face-to-face. Thank you. Man, man. Let's go, man. So sincerely, thank you, man, because it's real.

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