Drink Champs - Episode 437 w/ 8Ball and MJG

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary duo, 8Ball and MJG!One of hip-hop’s most respected groups of all time, 8Ball and MJG join us to share their journey.The Memphis duo shares how they rose through the independent scene to releasing classic material and always staying ten toes down.8Ball and MJG share tour stories, life in Memphis, and much much more!Lots of laughs and great stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise for 8 Ball and MJG!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey segre this your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer one of his dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players you know what i mean in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts it's time for drink champs Drink up, motherfucker What it good be? Hope you're sweet as shit But this your boy N.O.R.E What up, it's DJ E.F.N And this is motherfuckin'

Militant and Crazy Roy Yappy Al Make some noise! When we started this show We said we wanted to We wanted to shine the light And give the key to the city, somewhat to speak, to people who are legends. These people right here is your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. Your favorite group's favorite group.

These guys are icons, tycoons. I personally went on tour with them, and we used to go perform. I just watched them just do all of their classes. These guys are what we made this show for. That's right. And I guarantee you, if your mama was fucking to rap music, you are one of they babies. I can guarantee you these are legends, legends, real or the real. This is your rappers, rappers, rappers, rappers, favorite rapper. Highly requested.

Highly requested. Highly requested from the time we started this Yep And I'm so glad To give the South What they've been Beating us up They think it's a conspiracy They like What is this conspiracy

Why the fuck they not here Yeah man And today We get to give the flowers To people That I respect I look up to I want to personally

We When I say I I mean us The whole family. Motherfucking 8-Ball and MJG. That's one of the things that I, like, really, really admire. Like, y'all are one of the groups, it's like y'all are outcasts. Y'all are one of the groups that people are not ashamed to be like,

that's my favorite group. Like, I hit 2 Chainz this morning and as soon as I hit 2 Chainz, he was like, he was like, you know that's one of my favorite groups. I'm like, 2 Chainz, that's why I'm hitting you.

You know what I'm talking about? And it's like, y'all are one of those, y'all come off as one of those type of groups that no, like everyone, everyone throws their, their stardom out the window

and they become fans is that something that y'all know that it happens yeah that's horrible and a street just got named after y'all right yeah neighborhood where we grew up in? Right, right. A block from his street. Right. You know what I'm saying? A block from his.

Let me let you listen. We all got to make some noise for this. Everyone in this motherfucking room. I was blown away, right? Because a friend of mine's name was Big Pun.

You know, he passed away and then he has... I did a song with him in Heavy D. That's right. And he passed away and then he has a song with him in heavy d that's right and he he passed away and then he got a street so everyone was saying that's how it happens right you know they don't give rappers name a street after them and give them that praise while they're alive but people did that y'all broke the mold y'all aware y'all probably one of the only rappers have a street name that's alive?

Yeah. Y'all aware of that? Yeah. You do that too? Yeah, man. It's a blessing, man. All right. That's what they set out to do.

You know what I'm saying? Like Duprano from Push and the Mayor Paul Young. Mayor Paul Young. They wanted to get it done before something happened to us. Yeah. Right. Trying to make it happen fast. That's the right way to get it done before something happened to us. Yeah. Right. I was trying to make it happen for them. That's the right way to do it, too.

But how does that feel, though? I don't think they're never going to name a street after me, so let me just get it out the way. You never know. You never know. Hey, man. Hey, if we can get a street, bro. I'm talking about, come on.

He'll get super good. Come on, man. Hey, Super Thug Boulevard. So let me ask y'all. Let me ask y'all. When y'all got the call, how did this work? The mayor's office called y'all and said, yo, we trying to make. They had been working on it for about a year.

We were the manager. Okay, okay. Duprano. Okay. We picked the time, man. And just, oh, they done it, man. Right. The block, man, sold the block up.

It was thick out there. Right. Yeah, right. About a year, though. Right. Do y'all actually know how much the rap game really, really respects y'all? You know. Why'd you answer like that?

Because it sounds like you know. Why do you answer like that? Because it sounds like you know, but... Our fans is who we really... You know what I'm saying? That's who hold us. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, nah. You know from... But I know that, you know,

rappers and producers and people of that nature, man. We understand. You know what I'm saying? We just don't like tugging on... Right, right. Now, fuck that. We tugging on own... Right. Now, fuck that. We tugging our own.

That's it. It's all about the fans with us, man. Like, they done held us down, man, winning the show. Nobody else did. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell you straight up.

That's one thing that I love about doing this show is I get to, like, you know, encounter you guys' fans. Oh, really? Because, you know, I always have my own fans. So then, when I... Lil Wayne has some guys' fans. Oh, really? Because I always had my own fans. So then when I...

Lil Wayne has some fucking phenomenal fans. Kanye has some phenomenal fans. But y'all fans, yo, they thought it was a conspiracy. Like, yo, y'all fans are so crazy. They think everything would be a conspiracy. Yo, I swear to God. Like, them boys ought to be up here, man.

And I'm agreeing with them here and I'm agreeing with them and I'm agreeing with them but like come on they were like yo and do you think because y'all really was like one of the first groups to come out of the south right

do you think that y'all was ahead of y'all time um we may have been right we didn't know it Do you think that y'all was ahead of y'all time? We may have been. Why? We didn't know it, though. Why? We was just doing us.

You know, we didn't know. It was probably a year, a good year after Coming Out Hard came out before we started to hear that it was catching buzz. Why? Other places, we didn't even know it. Why? Because you didn't have the internet back then. Yeah, right. There wasn't no internet. So you might have been hot in New York and didn't even know it. Right, because you didn't have the internet back then. Yeah, right. There wasn't no internet. So you might have been hiding in New York and didn't even know it.

You might have been hiding in Atlanta unless you had some folks. I was traveling slow back then. We went to Atlanta, man. Like, crazy story. It was a club called The Warehouse in 94, maybe. Okay. Okay. And they booked us.

We was on the tour bus. We was going city to city. And this might have been 94. 93. I think it might have been. It was something like three years later. But they had done already express tours like how, man, I'm going to love y'all niggas. Why ain't I talking about this, that?

We done booked the show at the warehouse. Get there. What's my boy name? The DJ, man. DJ Drama? Greg Street? Old School. Mars?

Ice Skin. No, you talking about... No, Kid Capri. Kid Capri. The light skin boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Old School, but look, Kid Capri with DJing, man. Yeah. And they done booked

8 Ball and MJG from Memphis, Tennessee on New York night. Wait, all right, so is the night in Atlanta is called New York night? I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. It was like hip-hop night. I'm going to say hip-hop. Okay, okay, okay. To us, you know, we equate hip-hop with, you know what I'm saying? But it was like hip-hop night or something'm going to say hip-hop. Okay, okay, okay. To us, you know, we equate hip-hop with, you know what I'm saying? But it was like hip-hop night or something, you know, in 94.

Right. So imagine what East Coast hip-hop was in 94. And it was very dominant in that neighborhood. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So we come up in here, man. We got bitches dancing and, you know, singing new songs. Time is new. Right, man.

Niggas started throwing bottles. They started throwing shit on us. Out of respect or throwing bottles? Out of respect. Time is new. Right. Man, niggas started throwing bottles. They started throwing shit out of respect or throwing bottles? No. Okay. Like, get the fuck out of here.

They was throwing shit like, get the hell out of here. Get out of here. Yeah, like, but, it was a mistake.

Like, literally, like, we didn't get ran out of the club. That's one. Right. Yeah. We went to the booth and

fuck with kid capri for a minute you know what i'm saying and uh man come back like a month later uh place called the gate then the order like an old kroger shopping center right no full of motherfuckers like a thousand people of them. Like, a thousand people, bro. We were doing that joint like every couple of months. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, we knew, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, because,

I'm going to be honest, I believe it was y'all and UGK, right? And it was pretty much, that was it that we was hearing. I mean, obviously, we had the Rap-A-Lot explosion

and things like that. But it was y'all and it was just like, and when I'm going back and I'm studying the music, and I'm like, damn, they was doing that then. Like, y'all got music now that can drop now, and it fits nowadays. Like, how the fuck was y'all living in the future like that?

Man, that was the whole thing. Space age, you know, that's how space age came about you know for us to try to there was our motto to try to make stuff that would still make sense later on or be kind of something that's kind of futuristic you know so yeah you know that's how we came up with space age yeah y'all want to drink of Of course. Okay. I seen somewhere, you know, one of my favorite things doing Drink Champs is getting the drinks orders. But

I think y'all ordered Don Julio, y'all ordered Tequila? Uh-huh, yeah. Okay. But I see you online ordering Jack Daniels. See, I'm there too. See, see, see, I'm on my shit. So I was wondering why you didn't order Jack Daniels. Yes, I'm a my shit. So I was like, I was wondering why you didn't order Jack Daniels. Yes, I'm a professional alcoholic. Okay.

He's a switched it up. Yeah, I'm switched it up a little bit. It's tequila, no ice. No ice. Tequila, no ice? Wait a minute, we're here for some shit. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. All right, by the way, let's just shout out

the tequila drinkers that we had on the show. T-Pain is up there. The game? The game is 50-50 now. Because people, they're harassing me. Game, we need a part two to make sure that we buy your bottles this time, Game.

Game is up there, but he's 50-50. I finished with Game. I personally think Game drank it. Then who else did we just have? The baby. The baby drank it by himself. But we got to finish one. We got to at least finish the bottle. I know we're going to finish the bottle.

The baby's a dangerous guy. He's a dangerous guy, and that's why I'm impressed by the killer of no ice That's Okay Now it's the It's the killer

That's not for healthy reasons Right? Why the fuck is everybody Drinking tequila? Yeah It's supposed to be That's what they say You know it's like

The closest thing to moonshine To moonshine Damn Okay let's describe moonshine Moonshine is like The best of the best That's you Do they make it in a person tub?

Oh Cause he drink tub liquor That's what he got Y'all will get along Y'all will get along He love him some tub liquor Hey if you ever come to Memphis man And you wanna have you a good time Drinking and shit like that

Okay Make sure the camera goes with her So okay alright cause I only heard of Moonshine And I drank it and shit like that. Okay. Make sure the camera goes with her. So, okay, all right, because I only heard of moonshine and I drank it, I drank prune in the jail, but not moonshine. Okay, well, I got to shout out Wolf.

Okay. Wolf make like, like the classic flavor for moonshine is just straight up. That's clear. Yeah, but he makes like about 40 flavors. You can make flavored? Oh.

Yes. How did they make that? Oh, well, I don't know exactly how he make it, but he got the blueprint. Right. He got Bahama Breeze Moonshine, Butterscotch Moonshine, Cherry Pineapple Moonshine. I'm talking about, hey, it's hidden. It's hidden like the nickel snow. I ain't going to lie to you. Some of that shit sound good. It's hidden like the nickel snow. I'm talking about, hey, it's hidden. It's going to sell like the nickel snow. I ain't going to lie to you.

Some of that shit sound good. It should sell like the nickel snow. I'm telling you. Jeez Louise. So is that a Memphis staple? Yeah, a lot of cats. That's some Southern shit. Yeah, Southern really, but.

Okay. Yeah, you can get that moonshine about a gallon. Okay. You know, in the South. And there's no ingredients. I mean, like when you get it, it's like, it doesn't say moonshine by the gallon. You know, in the South. And it's no ingredients. I mean, like, when you get it, it's like, it doesn't say moonshine on it. It's pure

alcohol. Fucking come in a four-octagon bottle. It's basically corn liquor. Corn liquor, that's what I said. You know that's what Willie's is on that low? That's what it was. It's corn liquor. Holy moly guacamole. Now, your city, when you first came out, you guys talking about Memphis, everybody, that shit was all over everybody.

People were like, man, they got black people in Memphis? Like, that's how lost we were, right? Oh, yeah. And now, Memphis is damn near the hottest fucking- It's been. Not just now, it's been. It's been for Damn my bad I'm sorry

Jesus We always been a music hood Yeah Music hood Since Elvis right Yeah And then before Elvis Since before Elvis

You know like Stax Records Yeah And you know Downtown Memphis In the 50s and 60s Was like Especially the 60s and 70s

Al Green You know Sean Al Boone Harlem or some shit. Wow, that's right. That's right. So, um. Muhammad Ali had a club on Beale Street.

Yep. Uh-huh. Muhammad Ali had a club on Beale Street. Yep. 380 Beale. Damn. Yeah. You never got to meet Muhammad Ali.

No. No. How about Prince? No. I wish, though. Yeah, I wish. Big Prince, man. That'd be nice.

Prince, man. How about Mike MJ? Never. Big Mike. I never met MJ Prince, neither. Not yet. But y I wish. Big Prince, man. Prince, man. How about Mike MJ? Never. Big Mike. I never met MJ Prince neither, guy. Yeah. But y'all met Biggie?

No. No. Oh! Never met Biggie, man. I always was like this close to him. Him and Pac. Yeah, him and Pac.

We'd be in the same hotel. Oh, you never met Pac either? Nah, they was at the college school across the street one night when we was at the Mondrian in LA Like shit like that

But never like I swore y'all met Pac I swore I heard y'all on the record with Pac It was going to happen at some point But you know we was in the middle of All doing the same thing It just hadn't happened yet But it was right then

Okay I'm going to ask you this question a couple of different times. Because I got a couple of different people that I told you I reached out to a couple of different people. And I wanted to, yeah, I'm getting a little Hollywood, getting a little bougie. The Ace of Spades spritz. Pause. Look at the guy back there. He laughing at me. Yes, it is.

Okay. Okay. pause look at the guy back there laughing at me yes it is I don't think we did it like that okay okay so I'm going to ask you this a couple of different ways because I got this question being thrown at me in different ways but how was it being signed to a Houston based label coming from where y'all

are coming from was that an advantage because at one point you had to move to Houston right? was that an advantage at one point you had to move to houston right yeah was that a advantage or did you look at that as like a plus for that time it was a plus okay because at that time like 92 is when we moved to houston and uh to give you an idea of what time frame it was uh they had just finished shooting jason leary wow um that's what the dude from g money from um yeah i call him g money i'll see him in his face i might call him g money that's when we moved to houston and like it was really nowhere you know like the only real rap label at the time that was in mem was the label that we was on before Swag.

Okay. What label was that? OTS. OTS, okay. On the strength. Okay. On the strength records, man. Yeah, on the strength records.

I thought it was on the street. It's on the strength. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the strength records. And, man, so like Houston was a good move, you know, for the time. Because, you know, we just felt like we were going somewhere. The thing to do. It got us about.

First time riding the plane. That was a big thing, you know. What you said the first time? It got us about a minute. Oh, you said first time riding on the plane, for sure. Yeah, first time riding on the plane. Was they smoking cigarettes there? Damn near.

We almost caught it. But we did start flying when you could just walk in with your carry-on all the way to the... No ticket. None of that. None of that. None of that. You could have anything in a carry-on. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Shit, Japan was pre-9-11. Yes, yes it was. You know how much shit I brought to Japan? Yo, what you think? He tells me all the time. All the time. I'm going to wait to watch this.

By the way, we scared to death. We're going to Japan. I believe it's our first time in Japan. And they're like, yo, they named all these other groups. And they're like, you're going to be with A-Boy MJG. I was like, damn, who the fuck? We can't go after them. And then we meet them, and they're so cool.

But then we realized, oh, shit, there's no weed in Japan. Wow. There's no weed in japan wow there's no weed so all four of us we all just could tell we all we missing out on butt yeah and this is the first time i ever heard a lean or scissor or whatever and you was like but i got that drank and i was like what like i did that like this was like speaking foreign language to me so i was like well he was like, what? Like, I did not, like, this was like speaking foreign language to me. So I was like, well, he was like, yeah, man, we just mixed that. And I was like, I think I skipped. I don't believe I did.

I don't believe I hit it. But I will tell you the funniest story in the world. We come back, we're on the flight. He hit it. I'm not sure. I don't remember. I think I hit it. I think I did.

I'm not sure. But here's the story. That's not the catcher. The story is we're flying back to the U.S. from Japan. It's like an 11-hour flight. So I get up and I go to the bathroom with the stewardess because there's only like four or five of us black people on the whole plane. So she assumed that we were together. She was correct.

She comes to me. She said, excuse me, sir. Are you with him? And I was i was like yeah i'm with him she was like he hasn't moved for 11 hours i said what she said he hasn't moved he hasn't snored he hasn't coughed he just is he okay and i was just like for some reason i was like yeah i did not know i was like i looked but that was the first time i ever heard a lean i ever heard a scissor and i came back to my town and i was like yo they doing something else like there's some other shit that they doing and people were like what and i said i just tried to describe it for two years straight i looked like a bozo like people were like what the fuck are you talking about and then you got some scissor came out and i looked like a bozo like people were like what the fuck are you talking about and then and then you know what happened after that it popped up in philadelphia like i i see

for me i didn't see it when it hit houston i seen it when it, from Memphis. Came up to Philly. And then it came up to Philly. Uh-huh. And then I saw, I'm not saying it didn't go to Houston first. I'm sure it did. I think Houston is like the Holy Grail. Houston is like the Holy Grail. That's the motherland.

Houston starts, see, I just see it from the beginning of that. I seen it in all that. Yeah, that's the motherland. Yeah. So how did that drink get to Memphis?

Well, we drank yellow. Yellow. That was definitely yellow. Yeah, raw, straight. Yeah, not mixed with anything. I don't think it sounds white. I believe that's what you said. You called it tussle. You was like, it's a tussle.

Like rubber tussle? I mean, you called it that, but it was like yellow like that. The words on there, you know what I mean, you called it that, but it was like yellow like that. The words on there, you know what I'm saying? And the yellow syrup, I'm going to give y'all a tutorial. Okay. But young kids know this shit already.

Yellow syrup, you just drink it straight. You don't mix it. Yeah, straight up. You just hit this shit. But the activists. Purple, yeah, all of that shit. That's the activists. Niggas like to mix it. With Jolly Ranchers and shit. But the activists. Purple, yeah, all of that shit. That's the activists. Niggas like to mix it.

With Jolly Ranchers and shit. Shit like that. Yep. It's maybe whatever you like. It's the diabetes, drinking that shit. Four boys that went from fruity drinks to root beer

to all type of shit. To candy, to the whole thing. Get out of here. It's whatever you, you know, you're getting the drug and you're however you want to do it.

You know what I mean? So what was that drug made of? Like, what was it made of? It was codeine with made of? Like, what was it made of? It was codeine with promethazine. What was it made for? People who can't sleep? It's like cancer.

Yeah, you know, severe illness. Really? It's an opioid. It's opioid. Yeah, opioid. It's a serious opioid. It's like, for real, PSA. It's like heroin, man.

It's heroin, basically. Them young boys get on that shit. You get hooked on it. And they don't know what's coming. You know what I'm saying? And that shit is going to fuck your intestines up. That shit is going to fuck your digestion up. All type of shit, you know what I'm saying? So what does it mean, made to cure then?

Pain. Pain. Pain, yeah. It's for extreme pain when it really ain't nothing else for you. Holy shit, I didn't know that. And not to be drank regularly. Cancer patients, like old school cancer patients get that shit and sell it in the hood. That's how they start buying it.

That's how the hood got healed too. So who the first nigga that said, I'm going to get high off this shit? Sonny. Nigga had cancer? Sonny D. Probably was. Yeah, probably. Nigga sitting up, man, this shit feel so good. Man, this shit got me, bro. Because I imagine, like, that's like the dentist, you know, how you get the gas, and then someone eventually, like, they selling them shit.

That's probably how I lean is, like, some... Well, yeah, you know, that's just how they doing them whippets now and shit. Whippets? What's that? That's the whipped cream thing. You know, that's just like the gas. That's that white boy shit, though, right? I don't know a nigga that do whippets.

Niggas done started doing it now. Yeah, niggas done started doing it now. Yeah. Niggas done started doing it now. If they got on tight pants, then I'm not feeling it. Sonny do that, too. Sonny be doing that. Nah, Sonny ain't doing that.

Sonny does everything. Them young boys do whippings too though yeah get the fuck out of here yeah yeah never does never never no yeah so hold on go back to to suave house how'd y'all connect tony draper right yeah uh Through a mutual friend that we knew from school. Yeah. They knew each other and that's how it happened, you know. He put us together. He already had a record label?

Yes. Okay. He had a record label. No, he had Suave already, thank you. He had Suave already and he had a couple of groups already. But he knew the kid we went to school with in Memphis. Yeah.

And he was telling them about, you know, we had put a record out called Lyrics of a Pimp. That was our first record. The actual name was Listen to the Lyrics. That was on OTS. Yeah, for everybody who's listening that don't know, I'm going to tell y'all again. So, Listen to the lyrics we was in the 12th grade when this came out

like literally I graduated that right that spring before it was the spring before that summer so we had already before. It was the spring, before that summer. Spring, summer, yeah. So we had already this one song

like kind of blew us up locally. We in the tri-state area. You know like where we at. So we traveled a lot. It's Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi. It's all in the same area. Okay.

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Moved to Houston and started making music. Because y'all been friends since y'all was in the seventh grade. Yeah. How many arguments have y'all had? Who wins? 21-21. 21-21. I was like, yeah,

nah, we like brothers, man. I can tell. Really grew up brother to brother. Staying house with type shit. Y'all gonna fight and whatever the fuck. Yeah, and it's all good. I'm sitting here just watching y'all communicate and I'm sitting here acting like I was on my phone,

but I was really air hustling, just listening to what y'all saying and how y'all talk it's like y'all understand each other I feel like y'all got your own kind of language when y'all speak to each other especially being together so long you gotta know each other this nigga used to get me in trouble at school cause I can't hold

my laugh he'll say some shit and I'ma buzz out laughing and he just be straight and everybody think it's me and shit He'll say some shit. And I'm going to buzz out laughing. He just be straight. And everybody think it's me and shit. You know, but we've been like this since, yeah, seventh grade. Wow. That's crazy.

Oh, shit. We got to give them the flowers, man. That's right. Our show is about giving people their flowers while they alive. Man, I'm telling you, man, you guys are icons of icons. You guys are legends and legends. Everyone respects you. Everyone loves you legends everyone respects you everyone loves you and we wanted to give y'all flowers

we wanted to give this for eight years ago we've been searching and I ain't had y'all numbers and I don't be trusting the internet sometimes with the DM

you know what I'm saying you know I'm old school and shit like y'all Snoop said it's like a Grammy because the company you got in that's what I'm telling you man we don't get shit like that this is being tough bro

this is our Grammy I just want y'all to know you know what I mean because I want y'all to know on behalf of the industry obviously I can't speak on behalf of the whole industry but I am in this situation. I have never heard nobody say anything bad about 8 Ball and NJG. I swear to God, like, if it exists, they some quiet ass motherfuckers.

I have never seen it, man. I have always seen people give you the utmost respect, give you all the utmost love, and I want the world to know it, you know what I'm saying? Today, on this motherfucking show. Thank you, man. Like I said, I hit everyone, and everyone's first response was, do they know how much they mean to the game?

We don't bother nobody, man. Right, right. We are a pothead studio rent. You know what I'm saying? We don't bother people. man. Right, right. We are a pothead studio, right? Yeah, that's it. You know what I'm saying? We don't bother people. We've been in the studio since the studio been the studio. Right.

We've been in the bedroom studio since it wasn't a bedroom studio. Coming out hard. Yeah. Like I was saying, that's our reason to be out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on my notes. And yeah, we made that album in an apartment, Tony Draper's girlfriend's apartment. She had an extra bedroom. That's my first note, coming, yeah. That's on my notes. And yeah, we made that album in an apartment, Tony Draper's girlfriend's apartment. She had an extra bedroom.

That's my first note coming out. That's my first note when I went to my notes. All this is freestyle. So yeah, yeah, I'm already on point. That was our Reasonable Doubt, man. We made that album when we left Memphis. And when you say Reasonable Doubt, you meaning like this is your first album that got slept on

or the first classic? Everything you think, everything a fan that loves Reasonable Doubt, you meaning like, this is y'all first album that got slept on or the first classic? Everything you think, everything a fan that love Reasonable Doubt think about, a fan that love Coming Out Hard, it's the same thing. Same energy. That was Jay's first hit, you know what I'm saying? But it was underground. I didn't know about it till three, four albums later.

Me neither. I always say, yeah, Coming Out hard, kind of the same thing. Same thing, yeah. We still, to this day, pimps and coming out hard is still two of the songs we still perform to this day. Now let me ask y'all something,

because y'all got to meet another prolific brother that was probably y'all brother as well. What's Pimp C? That's the piece. Y'all got records with him. How did y'all brother as well. What's Pimp C? Rest in peace. Y'all got records with him. How did y'all first hook up with Underground Kings? Man, just

being in Texas. Being in the same places. Used to be closer to Bond. Yeah, closer to Bond because he stayed down the street from us. Coincidentally. Co because he stayed down the street from us. Yeah, while Studio was there. Coincidentally, he was two streets old.

Two streets old. Yeah, coincidentally. And while the middleman was him and his... Yeah, that's his career. And we was a couple of streets from them and we used to... Shout out Bun. ...do records

and give each other things, you know what I'm saying? Me and Pimp, we had the same, shout out my boy Scully, man. Scully. Rest in peace, baby. But we used to get weed from Scully. And Scully used to tell me, man, Chad was over here. This is it.

And you need to, man, y'all boys need to, you know what I'm saying? And they called him Chad? Chad. That's what he called him. Yeah, yeah. Scully was a different type dude. Like, he was a... He was like a weed geek. Weed geek.

Oh, I love them type of niggas. You know where the weed come from? It come from the Alpahonia. I love them niggas. Desserts and steaks that fit in the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. But we, you know, he wanted us to meet in this and that, and y'all boys seemed like y'all.

On the same page, yeah. We met him. Now, Pimp, we kicked it, like, not so many times before he went to jail, but more after. Yeah, after he got out. After he got out of jail. Didn't he go to jail twice? Well, this is the one, the long one.

The long one. Yeah, the long one. Yeah, he did go twice, though. Right. At the end of the night. Right. But we ran more then. You know what I'm saying?

Than back, back. Did a lot of shows together. Yeah, that'll be crazy. Pimp was one of a kind. What real verses would have been like UGK verse? Crazy. That would have been crazy, right?

Crazy. I can picture that. If y'all had a chance, right? Let's suppose Pimp was here and they came to y'all with the right bag, obviously, and said, yo, we got this amount and we want y'all to battle UGK.

And it's on y'all to where this place would take place. Birmingham, Alabama. Birmingham, baby. I was not ready for that. I'm going to tell you why. Because we should have created the verses in Birmingham. Because

we did shows like that after we did verses where us and Bon. And they wanted us to recreate Versus. We did two songs. And man, when I took energy, bro. It was incredible. And man, it was a lot of inviting guests.

Yeah. There really was no fans, you know what I'm saying? Damn, I understand what you're trying to say. Yeah, yeah. It was a different energy. Like, it's crazy. I'm from New York, but my favorite place to perform is connecticut yeah i just mean like so i understand i i get you totally i totally i i get that like if i was to do it like this home i would like to do

yeah i would like to do a connecticut or philly it's crazy you know what i'm saying do y'all consider yourselves like when people talk about y'all I hear often that they think y'all are lyrical Do you consider yourselves lyrical? Yes Y'all yeah god damn I think we do a little bit of both Yeah I think we do a little bit of both You know what I mean like

We do a little shit talking But you know we try to keep it lyrical though Amongst you know I think that's why our lyrical, though. Amongst, you know, over everything. I think that's why our fans stuck with us so long, because we kind of ride the line a little bit. You know, we can talk about some pimp shit, and then talk about some serious shit, you know, on something else, you know.

I ain't gonna front. I got a Miami hat. I got on red shorts, and I got the same black. I got on red shirt. I got red shorts. And I got on a, I got the same black polo. But the way you match that shit up. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, damn, why I ain't think of that?

Like, I swear to God, I'm looking at this shit like, damn, this nigga match that shit perfectly. Hey, we in Miami, man. I'm sitting here the whole time mad at myself. Like, you nigga, you ain't never put that together

Let's play quick time as well Let's tell them the rules By the way, Jamie, put your foot in there This is our drinking game We're going to give you guys two choices If you pick one of the choices Nobody drinks If you say both or neither

Then everybody drinks We're going to give you two choices. Okay. You pick one. It's like, I mean, we're not trying to diss nobody. So any stories that come up with anybody, but you pick one of them and we're not drinking. But if you say both of them or neither, like the PC answers, like you really don't want to answer it, then we drink it.

Okay. Yeah. Cool. So you want to set it off? Yeah. Let's do it oh shit Tupac or Eazy-E

that's heavy right there y'all met Eazy-E though yeah okay alright so he was yeah the Eazy-E connection and everything that's how we became cool with Bone okay because when he was

just starting to mess with Bone, he was in conversation with Tony Draper. And he was always telling Tony, you know, I love you. You know, he was saying that about us. Don't tell me it's a possibility that you were joined Easy.

Not joined them. Not joined them, but we was already linking. After he died, Draper did some work with his wife. Draper reminded him of his film. Wow. And he was telling Draper that you got to do a pic with them, boy. What is this? That's shots.

What is it? It's y'all shit. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's a hard thing, man. Yeah, that's a hard one. That's two different ends of the spectrum man I got it who was the question

I'm going to say Pac yeah you're going to say Pac I'm going to say Pac I love Eason but I'm going to say Pac okay both

both okay hold on so everybody got a drink yeah hold on I'm going to catch up see he wanted to get it, bro.

Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I do feel like that's going to go hot. I do feel like that's going to go hot. Whoa. Next one, E. Ooh. UGK or Ghetto Boys? Ooh.

What? Stop it. Yeah, we finna drink around this one. Yeah. That's why you see the small shots. Now, I ain't going to lie. I'm drinking because I can't pick that. That's what I'm finna say.

Uncle Face. All right. Come on. Willie, Bushwick, man. It's going to be a lot of drinking. And by the way, get well soon, Face, man. You know what I'm saying? Yes, yes, yes.

Shout out, brother. Yes. Right about it. Right about it. Oh, man. Both? Yes. Yeah, both. No way wrong? Right or wrong? Oh, man. Both? Yeah. Yeah, both.

No way in hell. Ain't no way, y'all. Come on. I told you this one time. I took a Scarface out to eat, and he caught an allergic reaction. And I thought he was playing with me. Yeah. Oh, you see it.

I thought he was playing with me. He's like, yo, I'm allergic to shellfish, but then he orders crab legs. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, I'm not the smartest guy in the world. Go get in the trap. Who was at the time that DMX story, too, about shrimp? That he ate the shrimp?

Yeah. That he ate the shit out of the shrimp, and then he broke out. He said he loves shrimp, though. Just out the middle, he just started going. And I'm like, what the fuck? I've never heard. He's like.

And then he's like. I know what's feeling. I'm allergic to shellfish. You're allergic to shellfish? Damn. You feel sorry for y'all niggas. I don't. I don't miss it. I ate it when I was younger. I know what it tastes like, but just one day I had like a fucked up reaction. Why? Is pussy technically shellfish?

Technically, none at all. Not at all. because I eat that. Viral. Viral. I wasn't ready. That's that weird pussy that smells like seafood. Straight up. That's that what you call smells like seafood. Straight up. That's that weird pussy.

That's what you call the 45 pumper. I don't know if y'all ever heard about the 45 pumper. Do y'all know what the 45 pumper is? Probably most men in the room probably have had one at least once or twice in their life. The 45 pumper. That's the one that, you know, everything starts out beautiful, lovely, smelling good, like he say, tasting good,

whatever, you know, the whole nine yards. You pumping. You stroking. 41. 42. 43. 44. 44. Whoa!

What the hell What the I'm telling you Y'all might don't want to tell it But you know it's true now That's that joint where you hit the back All them other DNA's and stuff come out You got about 65 DNAs

in the back of the old child, ex-husband, baby dad, all that right there. You can hit the 45 pumper. You'll know it. If you really like her, if you still really like her that much,

learn how to tone your game down about 35, 40 pumps. Put the brakes on it. Get your three fast ones, If you really like them that much, learn how to tone your game down about 35, 40 pumps. Put the brakes on it. Yeah, put the brakes on it. Get your three fast, four slow ones, you know, come on in there. Don't get close to 45 pumps. Because you'll know if you got your 45 pumps.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, next one. T-Lil or Project Pat? Boy. Oh, man, come on, man.

You trying to start some shit, man. Damn, man. Man, come on, man. And then that's,

again, two different ends of the spectrum. Right. We go back. But they both my brothers. And they in the beginning, you know, like Juicy J and Project Pat,

you know, they brothers. Yeah. I thought they was cousins, they brothers, like Juicy J and Project Patch, you know, they brothers. I thought they was cousins, they brothers? Brothers. Oh, wow. That's cool. And, man, back in our beginning days, man, we used to ride in our old

Ford Fairmont that Juicy J had. You know, we didn't have no car, but he had a beat-up Fairmont, and he used to come pick us up and take us to the studio. That's crazy. He was our DJ for a minute,

you know, because him and Paul was DJs. That was before 3-6, Mark. Yeah, this was before they even made... It wasn't tearing no clubs up. And he wasn't smoking or nothing. Like, he was the good guy. Yeah, he was the good guy.

Y'all met Juicy the Nerd. Hey. Yeah. Y'all know Juicy J, the straight guy? Hey. The nerd. The straight guy. The guy. The good guy. Juicy used to take us to Crystal's at 3 in the morning.

It sounds like a strip club to me. No. What is Crystal's? White Castle. Oh, the White Castle? There you go. Tomato, tomato. I got to be a fake White Castle.

Checkers, rallies. Okay, yeah. Three o'clock in the morning. Juice is the only one sober, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Man, Project Pat Ortiz. We're gonna have to join.

We're gonna have to join. We just pulled out of this. Yeah, I'll sit by this. Come on. Alright. Alright. I don't have another. We just pulled out of this. Yeah, I'll sit by this. Come on. All right. Woo! All right. No limit of cash money. Tell your babe.

What are you doing? Why are you doing it, babe? Well, it's the Dominican and the Colombian right there. Oh, you doing it. They sniff coke and they just make up their mind. Oh, my God. Carlitos there, too, sir. Oh my God. And Carlitos there too,

so it's double. Oh shit, it's double. That's the cocaine section over here. Colombia.

That's the cocaine section in Colombia right there. Yeah, that's heavy right there, boy.

So we're going to drink to that? What? Oh yeah, we just took a sip, man. This cash money or what? Come on, let's go again. No limit.

No limit. They made both, man. Yeah. Hey, those trailblazers, man. Pioneers. You know what? I want to big up. While we're talking about that, I want to big up Master P.

Yeah. For him coming out. Percy. Percy. Percy. With that award or whatever it was. But the fact is, for years, we always heard these rumors about Cash Money and No Limit having problems. And whether it's true or not, the fact that Master P came out that night and he walked

on stage by himself, that shit was so powerful to me. Like, as a hip hop fan, I don't care. A little tear came to my eye. I was like, you know, because I seen the beginning of both of those crews. You know what I'm saying? That's the good thing about being an OG. And then for me to see him and me to see the Hot Boys reunited

and for me to see Master P walk outside on that stage when he walked out by himself. He could have came with he could have had one of those goons with him he could have security with him he came out right by itself that was some grown man I respect you master beat and for years I'm gonna just say this is an East Coast guide I know you gonna you're gonna you know Isaac it's the truth. I'm going to say it. What am I going to do? Set yourself free. Yeah, I'm going to say

you're going to set yourself free because y'all guys in the South show so much camaraderie that sometimes I wanted y'all to beef because it was like, damn, why are we beefing? The South was more united. Why are we like owning people?

And I know like, you know what I'm saying? So, sometimes when I used to see people in the South beef, I used to be like, all right, cool. Not throw gas on the fire, but from across the street, I would just watch the fire.

You don't feel so foreign now. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, look, y'all. Okay, but they go through the same shit. When the comedians started beating, I was like, yeah, motherfucker. I was like, it's not just us. You know what I'm saying? So I wanted to point that out because Master P, what he did recently. And he's been leading by example, man.

He's been doing a lot, man. He's a trailblazer. Yeah, let's go to the next one. Yeah. Lil Wayne or Drake? Oh, Wayne. Squeezy, man. I love Drake.

Hey, Drake. I love Drake I love Drake but shout out Pop yeah what's up Pop yeah he from Memphis oh that's right

yeah yeah yeah Drake Pops dude look he be pimping out there oh yeah man I ain't gonna lie he do listen Drake Pops

I seen him I seen him in what's that shit in LA when I'm pretty sure Drake would say the same thing you know what I'm saying? Let me tell you how hard Drake Pops is.

He walked up to me. He was like, hey, what's up, man? He knew I knew him. He is as famous as his son. He got to me. Man, Pop pimping. So who did we go with? Lil Wayne. But you bigged up Drake Pops.

Because he out here pimping.. Because he out here pimping. Yeah, he out here pimping. With a dick mustache, too. You're right. He never saved that shit. Whistle. Whistle there, man. He got that wee wanton in that stash.

I see you, baby. He got that chickamiamo. He got that wee wanton. He got that Drake Pops. Oh, really? Literally, his Instagram just say Drake Pops. I just really? Literally, his Instagram used to say Drake Pops. Let me be clear. Man. I forgot his name. What's his name?

Drake Pops. You remember I called him Drake Pops. You're Drake Pops. Yeah, man. That's Pops. Yeah, and he's a real one, too. Yes. Okay, I want this one. Go ahead. Kicker Preet or Funkmaster Flex? The light skinned boy.

Yeah. I love both of them. I love both of them. I'm going to say Kid Capri though. Right. Only because I've shook his hand and talked to him more times than I've done that with. I don't think I ever met Funkmaster Flex in person. You never met Funkmaster Flex in person?

Never met him. Get out of here. You neither? Me neither. And I'm pretty much the same as him on that. You never met Footmaster Flex in person? Never met him. Get out of here. You neither? Me neither. And I'm pretty much the same as him on that. But I know if I bump into Flex or whatever, I'm with the old school costume. Oh, yeah.

Y'all get along. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. See, I went Kickapree.

Kickapree. And you've been in the Kickapree party. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He tear that up. That Atlanta party we've mentioned. And you know what's crazy about Kickapree? I'm be honest with you he's my brother and i talk behind his back like this like in a good way in a good way and i actually never really told care free how

much sometimes i used to go to his party sneak in and never tell him i'm there like i'll be in dc somewhere or virginia somewhere and i would go sneak in tell the people don't tell him i'm here and i would just watch him rock every single generation. Like when he plays, he plays old school, then he plays new, then he plays middle, then he's like, yo, 35 or older. Here we go. Yeah, here we go.

You know what I'm saying? I love that. I love that about DJ. Okay, let's go to the next one. Outcaster 3-6 Mafia. Wow. Damn, man. Let's go to the next one. Outcaster 3-6 Mafia. Wow. Damn, man. Let's hear it.

I'm just going to say right now, both. Okay. You know. You got shots. You got shots right there. You got shots. You got shots. Say yourself.

I'm not going to lie to you. I can tell you up top. He's my favorite shot, Gary. He hasn't been saying nothing to nothing. He's like, I can tell right now. He's about that. I'm like, what's that boy good time? That's what I'm just looking like.

That's what I'm good time. Autumn and David. Hey, baby. It's all peace and love. We'd be coming in, calling her. Hey, how you doing Falona These boys too young

They don't know What to talk about Yeah you better know it Okay Big pun Or Biggie Smalls Stop it Come on

Yeah I said it went to you That's Why you gonna name Two of them Hey man you can't put Heavy D or nothing in that, man. Yeah, yeah, it's in there somewhere. These big boy icons, man.

Because I interacted with Pond for a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we go back with fast jumping. That's right, that's my brother. When the spook was broke, that's when we were filming the video that day. Yeah. And, you know... You know, at one time, I think us, Foxy, Jay-Z,

Pun, Fat Joe, all of us was on Relativity. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's right, Relativity. At the same time, yeah. I don't think Foxy was on Relativity, though. I think she was always on Debra. Yeah.

What it was, it was that she was with... Oh, I got to screw up? That's what it was. Oh, though. I think she was always on Debra Jan. Yeah. What it was, it was that she was with... Oh, I got to screw up that shit? Oh, my shit. But yeah, that... Like, it go back to,

you know, I done shook hands with Pun and talked to him and, like, interacted with him and Fat Joe a couple of times, like a few times in the 90s, you know, he was in

New York like a lot, a lot like what was the name of that store, Jazzy's on 125th or something like that Jazzy Jimmy Jazz Jimmy Jazz M&T, Soul Food

you remember Golden Chicken? Golden Chicken? Nah. Oh, my goodness. That was in the city. That was in Manhattan. Okay, Manhattan. But I don't know, man, because I don't think, and I'm glad you asked that question just to give my opinion to the world, man.

I don't think Biggie got his chance to do all that he has done. Yeah, he was just beginning to flourish. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I know it's been said over and over again. Over and over again. But I'm going to say it again. You know, Biggie didn't get his chance to.

Yeah, I agree with you. And then you got Pond. With him and Park. Yeah. And Pond. Because look at the. Pond, but he, Pond got a chance to like move around. Move around.

A little bit more. You know. Okay. And them cats, they did so much in a short time. Big in park, he said. Yeah. You look at the numbers of them. They passed young, very young.

It was real short. Like, that run was five or six years for both of them. But the magnitude was great. But it's still going to this day. Yeah, and it only leads you to wonder how much could they really did. Yeah, what could have been. What really could have been because there was like greatness right uh like early you know they didn't know it they've been sitting here like

us now talking about man we didn't even know it we were just we was just doing us right so i'm saying but you know they had already captivated yeah i'm gonna go with biggie man are you are you what you picked okay yeah i love pun but i'm gonna go with Biggie. Now if he goes with pun but he's still drinking. Uh-oh. I don't wanna be a player no more. Hey man. You know my love of all this shit, man. I know, I'm telling you.

I love but you know I got a real like, I was a fan fan of Biggie. You know what I'm saying? Even though we were like kind of right there together. Right. Yeah, in the timeline. I was a fan fan of Biggie, you know what I'm saying? Even though we was like kind of right there together. Right. No, I know what you mean. Yeah, in the timeline. Something about pictures, man, with them little glasses, man, me and that nigga look just like.

That's what I thought. Fan, fan. I got to, you know. Man, it's rough. Rough why y'all doing me like this. And now I got to go with both of you. I'm down to drink. I got to go with both of you.

Fuck it. I can't do this. I can't do this, man. I'm for real, man. I'm for real. I ain't trying to make it easy, you know, and get out of it. But I really feel this way, you know? No, that's a hard one, bro.

That's a hard one, man. Okay. DMX or Big Al? DMX. DMX. You ever met DMX? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.

Give me a DMX story. We be in plenty of shows together. You know, man, he's just a real guy, man. I love DMX. You know, man, he's a people person. Yeah, yeah. You come down to the hotel lobby at 3 in the morning. Guess who's down there?

And he pouring drinks to you. Yeah. And he going to say something to you. Yeah. You know. I didn't get a chance to the big L wave. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't get too near.

But, you know, but we was on it, though. We was on it, but we didn't never really get a chance to mingle. But, you know, we should have, but circumstances, you know. Well, give us a DMX story. Well, everybody know DMX. He's an old school car driver, too. He's into that shit. My DMX story is really kind of in the third person

because he was there but he wasn't you know DMX outlawed the place and he'd be talking to you one minute you know he'd be talking to you one minute and you look over here for a second he over here and then bam now he doing the show now

it's over with you know but one thing that I know from dealing with him and talking to him was that, you know, he was down to earth, a people person.

He was approachable. Yes, he was. And he would give you his time. Yes, he was. You know, and I know that for a fact. You know, we all, you know, together,

you know, we understood and had our moments and talked, and it was just regular. It was so regular that, you know, it was know together you know we understood and had our moments and talked and it was just regular it was so regular that you know it was just like me standing and talking to somebody i grew up on the street yep yeah you know and uh you know that was you know that was that guy you know how they say the good die young yep yeah you know we we you know we think we good we ain't good enough yet you know know, God need them real soldiers.

You know, them generals. We still got some shit to get straight down here. Also, while we're speaking about that, rest in peace to Percy and rest in peace to Chubby Baby. Chubbs, you know, down with Future in them camp and he just passed away. And, you know, he's down with Deep Set earlier. But you got a DMX story? Oh, man. I mean, it's really the same.

Like, we never really had no, like... We didn't kick it outside of our business. Yeah, like, we had shows together and, you know, he was super energetic on stage. That was my nigga. He doing the push-up. A hundred push-ups.

Get right back up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just, like he said, I just love this energy, man. He's that regular. Like, you know,

we literally talk like me and you right here. Right, right, right. So that go a long way. God damn it. God damn it. Rest in peace, DMX. Rest in peace, manX. Rest in peace,

man. Dark Man X. Yes. Scarface or Ice Cube? Wow. That's hit. On the way out. Hey.

Ooh, that's easy. I got another couple. Yeah, I'm ready. Come on, let's go on and do it. Okay,

let's go on and do it. Okay, you can't do that. Yeah. You know, we go back to them times. You know, we go back with Cube to the 90s, you know, to the Suave House. Oh, both of them dear friends, man.

Both of them, man, you know, so hey. Master P or J Prince? Them two different ends of the spectrum. Mm-hmm. Like, them two different ends of the spectrum. But what I can say is both of them is trailblazers in their own way.

Definitely. And there wouldn't be one without the other. There wouldn't be a Master P without a J Prince. It wouldn't be. Yeah. I think Master P

would even say that. Yeah. And, you know, I just, without getting into anything personal or whatever, like I say,

you know, as far as businessmen and entrepreneurs and giving us a vision of us seeing ourselves being able to do that you know like I said again man people man Pete followed his basketball dreams his music dreams his entrepreneur dreams his college dreams uh and shit, man. He out here. He still. Product.

Like he said, product. Stuff that's going to sustain families for generations. You talking about product out due to talent, man. Definitely. So, man, person. We're going to give it to person. Big person, Miller. Yeah. Do you taste the cereal?

You gave me a box of that. That shit's fantastic. I haven't tasted it yet. It was a Snoop one. Snoop Snoop. Yeah, Snoop one with him. In Vegas, yes. I haven't tasted it yet.

No, but hey, that's some real shit, man. We be talking about, man. Them niggas, man. It's a nigga. And I ain't going to say a nigga. Okay. A nigga. Dead. And I ain't going to say a nigga. Okay. A nigga. Man, his family been making cardboard boxes for 100 years.

For 100 years. And they sustaining their family. I'm just saying. And that's where the wealth came from. A product. You know what I'm saying? A product. Just cardboard boxes.

And just how all the other industries have it. I'm just saying. I'm just giving it as an example. Okay. You know, and that's lovely to see you get into We call in the South hand over Hip-hop people seem to generate towards you know, my brother fat Joe he got we want our facts facts. See, this here, this here is like a CD. That's right. You see what I'm saying? Get your shit jet black

like it all. You can't stream this. You know what I'm saying? You can't stream this. Hey, Joe, you got to put a nigga on the box. Come on, Joe.

Come on, MJD. Come on. Joe. Hey. Come on, man. Come on. Space AJ. Space AJ. They sell this shit in the beauty stores in Memphis. yeah that's crazy

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Hmm. Ooh. Ah, well, you know, we got history back with them boys, too. And, man, I got to say both. I got to, man. I got to. Look what these boys are doing now.

It is what it is. Look what they're doing. It is what it is. Come on, man. They're killing it. Come on, man. They're playing the game. That's what I boys doing now. It is what it is. Look what they doing. It is what it is. Come on, man. They killing it. They killing it. Come on, man. They changing the game.

That's what I'm talking about. Because I love both of them niggas the same. Even though we haven't interacted with Cam that much, but I have smoked with your boy

and shook his hand and we talked. We had a song together. You know, we was on this debut album. Oh, yeah. This was back then.

Okay. Yeah, you know, we was on this debut album. Oh, yeah. This was back then. Okay. Yeah, you know, we was on this debut album. Oh, that's right. That's right. Y'all spoke with Murder Mase. Yeah. Murder Mase. Oh, okay, okay.

We was in a little bitty studio somewhere. Yeah. I think it like... You know how. Yeah, yeah. Like, it was some back in the day type shit. Is that how y'all first got affiliated with Bad Boy? It was around that time.

It was around that time. But it was Draper. Draper had the original relationship with Puffy. With Puffy. Wow. We used to go to the club in Atlanta. We used to go to Atlanta. That was the first inauguration, you could say, is when he had us.

He had us for a special guest one night on his show, but without telling anybody. So they didn't know we was going to be there in Atlanta. Every time Puff came across a certain border, that's all he was hearing. He was like, who is this guy? Like, why? Every time I come here, I can't get here, even if we throw in the show or whatever, this is all I hear.

So he made a relationship with Drake. And then we did a surprise bus out in the middle of a bad boy show when they didn't know we was going to be there and it's been history like wait wait when you say they didn't know you talking about the crowd didn't know yeah okay okay but ever since then like you know we done done and that relationship yeah you know he we we he had the relationship. We did the record with Mase. With Mase, yeah.

Like, that was our first That was the first record that we did. T-Mix, shout out T-Mix. T-Mix, shout out. A super producer that did all of our early stuff after coming out hard.

He did a lot of production for them at that time as well. I just always try to get him high. I know he ain't to never take it. But then, you know. One day. Yeah, one day. No, but so, T-Mix

did a lot of the production, and hold up, I'm lost. Hold up. T-Mix did the production. Yeah. We need a shot so he can bring it back. Bring his mind back. Bring it back. Give him a shot. Bring his mind back.

Magic in the up here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there we go. Follow. Follow. Your mind said both. Because you know why? Today's episode was dedicated to people who paved the way for me personally.

8 Ball and the motherfucking MJG, man. I really want to give y'all flowers. Continue to salute y'all because y'all are fucking space age. Y'all are motherfucking kings. Y'all are icons. And we love it, man. Salute. Cheers.

Damn, man, you're going to make me Benzino over here. Oh, yeah, man, that's another thing, too. Shout out Benzino. What was the name of the group? 2000, we got you the Sauce Awards, right? What was the name of the group? RSO? Yeah, RSO.

Almighty RSO, yeah. Yeah, man, we did a song with Almighty RSO back in, like, what was this, like, 94 or something like that? You know, that's a real gag though, right? That was when Benzino was rapping. Oh, he's still rapping. Yeah, I know. You know, I know. But this was like when the source was nowhere in the vision.

You know what I'm saying? They was managed by Quillatipa and them. Play Reunited. Yeah, Play Reunited. Yeah, he was on the real gangster, I'm going to straight up rap or shit. You know what I'm saying? We were riding around in L.A. with Benzino in a rental van with no tent. Okay.

The 50 passenger? No, like a little, like an Astro. Astro van? With the slaughter slots? Not automatic. This is the rental. You got to open it it up Going to the studio He can't even scoop this

Right He had good weed Definitely Yes Benzino always has good weed He does Yes It's a big up Benzino

And it's good weed He got good weed Hell yeah Yeah You boy done got a nigga drunk up in here Yeah You got drunk I'm trying to get Drake London To have his fucking tequila to come up here.

We got a black man that owns the tequila company. And when you guys own tequila, I invited him. So I wanted him to come here, but he's late. You know, black people. Oh, look. It's EMT. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Your ringtone is...

That's my mama. My mama named Gloria. You hear me? That's why. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. The fact... I love this.

Hold on, hold on. Time out. I love to see the elder statesman co-signing. I love that shit. Shout out Glorilla. Shout out Gl that shit. Shout out Glowrilla. Shout out Glowrilla.

Shout out Glowrilla. Do no thang, Glowrilla. She represent me. She represent me. She fucked me up the other day. I was like, what is he talking about? It was like,

moose knuckle, nigga. I said, oh, shit. I'm sitting there in my cage. You see that job? I'm listening to the radio station. I'm listening to the radio station because I just did the radio, right? So I'm just listening to the radio station because I just did the radio, right? So I'm just listening to it

and that song come on. Noah and Nakai, my two sons, come out and they're like, they're looking at me like, what the fuck is you doing? And I'm like, what? It's the radio. And they're like,

that's what we listen to. I'm like, what is that? And I'm like, and they're like, radio. And they're like, that's what we listen to, Glorilla. I'm like, what is that? And I'm like, and they're like, you know what she said? Moose knuckle. I said, oh shit. My kids told me what a moose knuckle is. Oh, moose knuckle.

My mama named Gloria, so it's on the ground. Get him, though. Yeah, yeah. Get him, though. Get him, though. Yeah. These guys are foul. Look at the question they just sent. Okay.

Glorilla or Gangsta Boo? Stop it. Come on, man. Get the fuck out of here. Man, Gangsta Boo, man. Rest in peace, man. But you know, that's who birth people like Glorilla. And Glorilla understand that. That's who I Glorilla represent right now.

You know, that's why she's standing on 10th floor right now. For people like Gangsta Boo. Gangsta Boo, one love. He's amazing. Whoth floor right now for people like Gangsta Boob. Gangsta Boob, one love. She's amazing. Who came on during champs. Great person. Great person.

God damn it. We love you, baby girl. And we miss you. Mm-hmm. Already, man. Outlaws or Tribe Called Quest? Outlaws. I love them both.

Yeah, I love both. But, damn, see, I answer too fast. But see, I ain't gonna lie. Now, I'm both. But, damn, see, I answer too fast. But see, I ain't going to lie. Now, I'm, you know, I'm going to say. We're going to rewind that. Yeah, yeah.

We're going to rewind that. We can rewind that. We can rewind this goddamn shit. Listen. But I love them both, man. I love them both. But see, you know, we know about Tribe Conquest and everything. Y'all had to go on tour with Tribe Conquest.

Big up to Outlaws, too, by the way. I think we have one. Shout out Q-Tip. I love their production. Just got indicted. Indicted? Jesus. Inducted. I hate rock and roll when it was too much. It's fucking fucked up. But they just got inducted into the

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. All right. Shout out to them boys. MJ or Prince? They didn't pick though, man. I thought. They rewinded it. They rewinded it?

Yeah, I think we said both. Yeah, both. Okay, MJ or Prince. I like this one. Yeah, both. Both, man. And boy, it's iconic, man. There'll never be another MJ and no Prince.

Okay, so Gar came down right now. Gar said, listen. Uh-oh. You can hang out with one or the other. And you can wreck it with one or the other. Prince. Now, hold on. I got to tell you which version of Prince.

It's Prince with the ass out Well I was gonna say Mike I read the Hold on hold on Let me give you the version of Mike You gotta describe it like Now This is

It's Prince with the ass out But then it's Mike Before he turned light skin Oh Before he went white Oh yeah man Mike before he turned Mike before he went white Mike Yeah I ain't gonna lie Mike before he turned white. Mike before he went white.

Mike. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. I feel like I set y'all up. I'm just trying to bring the brothers along. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I fuck the Prince, but Dirty Mind album, that boy had underwear on on the cover. You hear me?

Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. Who knew that? That boy had underwear on. Underwear on with the good time. So I definitely rather fuck with Mike with the beanie jacket on. Yeah, I'm going to go fuck with him in bubbles and go to the Wonderland, whatever.

Bubbles? Yeah. I smoke out with bubbles. Smoke out with bubbles. Smoke out with bubbles and get crazy. DJ Quick came on here and said he was not playing. He was like, yes, I believe Mike was a crip. That nigga. And you see that said that his voice was deep that he would make that voice up and then when he would talk

normal yeah you gotta it's all it's on the internet somewhere i don't i don't heard that a few times that mike was like they have a track that they said he had to do a voiceover for something and they said he used his real voice for a video game and they said this is his real voice. Well, Mike told I did. Yeah, that's the way it came out. Really, that's his record of voice. I swear to God, this is what they're saying. Let's let that moment be true, I don't mind.

That's a dope moment. Next one. 90s hip-hop or 2000 hip-hop? Nah, gotta say 90s, I or 2000 hip hop gotta say 90s finally 2000s was the the 2000 to the 90s

and I know this just sounds simple as fucking shit but the 2000 to the 90s was like the 80s to the 70s okay R&B and jazz and all that But the 2000 to the 90s was like the 80s to the 70s. Okay. Well, R&B and jazz and all that. And all that. And it was some great shit in the 80s and the 70s. That's basically the shit we came up with.

Right. But they still was kind of like their own thing, but they was similar in a way. I got what you're saying. They borrowed from the old and the new. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't so new as the new. Right.

AT Aliens or Equimini? Equimini. I like Equimini the best. Yeah. Equimini? Yeah. You just gotta disagree just so we

can drink. At this point, it's just the way the game be going. I think I got to go with A.J. So everybody in the line, you know what I'm saying? Come on now. We need everybody in the line. A.J. Let's go, man.

Hey. Hold up, man. T.I. or 2 Chainz? Ah! Why you doing this? That's the same umbrella, baby. Well? He said well. I like how you said well.

I'ma say T.I., man. Like I love 2 Chainz. That's my dog. We used to sit in the studio at drama boy spot like two three in the morning and smoking i'd be just there smoking listening to him you know doing his like i ain't even doing nothing this is when he was titty boy oh he was transitioning yeah yeah he was i really mean yeah both for different things. And kind of the same thing. You know,

I know both of them cats been rocking with us since day one. Yeah. I know that for a fact. And, uh, you know, I'm going to say tip cause we, we did a record on,

yeah. And tip extended his hand down to, you know, he extended his hand. He ain't have to do it. You know, that was, that was a thing on him, you know, that he wanted to work with us.

You know, so, man, you know. So, you know, Big Up Tip. Big Up Tip, man. Big Up T.I. and 2 Chainz. Big Up and the whole family. I mean, the whole family, man. As rappers that came behind you, every rapper wants to work with y'all just so you know like even if they didn't say it

even if they didn't reach out like the stable that y'all left on this hip hop imprint makes everybody want to collab with y'all so I want to big those artists up who you just said but I just want you to know it's the inside of this

the outside of looking out it's the inside of this the outside of looking out yeah man yeah man I really can't insider that's the outside looking out that's the insider that's the outside of looking out i mean we had the first time i did a record called sundown uh with a group called pa from atlanta and we used his uh drop top that's his car in that video oh wow that's what's up the baby or little baby? This is a baby-ass question.

Yeah, that's heavy. Well, no. Hey, man, I got to roll with both, man. I got to roll with both. Roll with both? Both of them doing their thing. Both babies. Hey, man, I can't.

Hey, man. Yeah. I want to hear the baby and the baby on the record again. You know they got one together. Definitely. Both of them boys doing their thing, man. I can't picture it. Charlotte and Atlanta, correct?

Because they may stray off and get a little wild with it or kind of in their own era, but then they still know how to... They both have great energy. Yeah, they know how to capture someone older

or nothing. They still spit shit that older person may listen older or another. They still spit shit that an older person may listen to or whatever. A kick like they got the blueprint. So it's safe to say in the case between little baby and dub baby, you are

picking baby. Yeah. Baby. I would drink to that. Both baby. I would drink to that. Both babies. I would drink to that. All babies. And shout out to baby. Put some respect on that, man. Shout out to all the babies. Shout out to baby D.

Baby D, all babies. Friday. Full count, man. Shout out to baby face. Shout out to baby face, man. Baby face. Shout out to Babyface, man. Babyface. Babyface. Yeah. There you go.

Moonshine or tequila? Hey, man, you got to give it up to Moonshine first. Come on. It wouldn't be no tequila without Moonshine. Moonshine's the beginning. So Moonshine is the... Look at it. They did it. In the woods.

Prohibition. In the woods. Like Moonshine... Like drag racing was created because of moonshine. Because of running. Because they used to suit their cars up and get away from the law. Get away from the law. That's right.

And that's how drag racing was created. I learned that at Talladega Nights. Yes. Yes. Ricky Bobby. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah. I'm dead serious.

Yeah. I'm dead serious. Bobby Ricky. Yeah. I'm dead serious Bobby Ricky I ain't never heard of Bobby Ricky only Ricky Bobby bad boy or Suave House Suave House all day Suave got the hook up Suave got the cheese

next one death row or rap a lot rap a lot rap a lot man only because well I mean rap a lot for sure 10 toes down we live and respect the devil

blueprint all the rap a lot that the world don't know about you know what I'm saying they had artists all that shit. Yeah, like that shit, man, was so heavy in Memphis. Like Memphis was with Texas music. I always thought Texas and Memphis was part of Tri-State.

I said that earlier. It was Tennessee, Mississippi, and Arkansas. Okay. Yeah. So we rolling with? Rappin' a lot. Rappin' a lot. Yeah. MOP or Mobb Deep? okay yeah so you we rolling with uh uh rapper yeah yeah mop or mob deep that's some real new york question bob deep bob deep baby we used to do shows with mob okay chicago and shit like that detroit they would have a track with they would be i think we might did a remix or something. We was on a remix back in the day.

I don't know. Could have sworn. But I know we did like Buku shows them niggas. You say Buku? I didn't hear that word in so long. Yo. The other niggas in the building still ain't catching on. They're like, Buku Bucks.

That means a lot. That means a lot. That means a lot. I mean, like, this. Give me the book of thoughts. Yes, that was great. Okay, next one, E. Wu-Tang or N.W.A.? This one is always hard for me.

Amen. Both, man. Okay, let's go. I'm going to say N.W.A., though. I love Wu-Tang. I love Wu-Tang. You got to say both, man. But N.W.A., I got a different love for them because me and this nigga used to walk down.

Imagine two young niggas in Memphis with jogging suits with a radio, nigga, walking down the street listening to N.W.A. and Eazy-E. That was us. Here's the million-dollar question. In Memphis, did you have S-curl? At that time, maybe. It wasn't a S. It was a curl. It was a curl.

It was so cool. But no, definitely, though. Like, yeah, yeah, we was, yeah, yeah. I got to say, bro, because I got my times at NWA. I got them stories with NWA. But then, you know, East Coast was so dominant in that time that it was like watching sports in the 60s or something. There were like four teams and shit.

You see, I don't know. So all the video shit and the shit I'm looking at on TV and shit, it was Wu-Tang. You see what I'm saying? I'm drinking with you. I fuck with Wu-Tang. You see what I'm saying? I'm drinking with you. I fuck with Wu-Tang. Hey, we did shows in Denver with Red and Melf. Yeah, like two or three years ago. Two or three years ago.

Like two shows a day. Like we used to, yeah. Like sold out. Both shows. Us and Red, Man, and Melf. Just picture that. And Denver comes out. They come out over there.

Yeah. Shout out them boys. Yep. Shout out Red Band. Well. Reasonable Doubt or Matic? Reasonable Doubt. I like them both, but I think I like Reasonable Doubt a little better.

Yeah. I want you regardless, MJJJ as soon as you know it's rough up in here you know you asking some hard ones man like you gotta think about man we are like behind all the

pimp shit and this and that and blah, blah. We them two little niggas that sitting in front of the radio on Friday night. You was the weirdos that we were doing. Yeah, listening to the Memphis DJ Sonny D back in the day. Sonny D who used to bring the DJ Red Alert. Yeah, that's his name right now. Sonny D Red, you heard me. He used to bring the DJ Red Alert. Yeah, like, that's his name right now. He used to bring

the DJ Red Alert tapes from New York. Yeah, like, we were them biggest. Like, we listened to, man, I'm talking about from, man, from Schoolie D. Schoolie D.

You know what I'm saying? Man, Tron is, y'all students of the game? Yeah, man. But all over, like, Texas music, like, everything, you know,

like, we was a big gumbo with this. Yeah, man, we was on it. You can't, like, music, like everything. We was a big gumbo with this. Yeah, man, we was on it. And our own school of soul shit, man, we was on it. We listened to literally everything. Illmatic. Oh, Illmatic. We should pick Reasonable Doubt.

What are you picking? Let's pick Illmatic so we can drink. Illmatic. Let's go with Illmatic. I can drink. Yeah. Illmatic. Shout out Nas. I'm putting it out there. I need to do a song with Nas. Hey, Nas, you need to fuck with me. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Do something. Hell yeah. I love Nas. Shit, he working on the album with Primo, maybe. Yeah, that's fucking dope that he's working on the album with Primo. Nas has always kept, he always been him, maybe. Yeah, that's fucking dope. He's working on Primo. Nas has always kept, he's always been him, man. I was just going to say, he keep it up.

From then to now, man, that nigga always been him. He keep it authentic, basically. Yeah. He love hip hop. Yeah, ain't no changing though. Yeah. Next one. Yeah.

Nas or Jadakiss? Who? Cold blooded. Man. Jadakiss hates Who? Cold blooded. Man. Jadakiss hates this question too. I already know. Hey, man. Look, man.

I'm going to say Jada though. I'm going to say both. I fuck with Jada, yeah. I'm saying both. Let's go on track. Come on, man. I'm going to Jada first album. Hey, man.

We talking about two lyrics. Right there. You got one right there. Look in the middle. Yeah. Look, look. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

I'm drunk on it. Oh, you're drunk too? Okay. Hey, man. We talking about two lyricists man yeah amen let's go and what you say he's on Jada's first album yeah talk about that that's that track and how it came about I just we used to see we did shows like we that's how you we met everybody doing shows yeah we do show with the nigga

back in the day and we just was like Trading records He was on a couple of our remixes And I think he sent me a record that Fiend produced Fiend from No Limit? Yeah Fiend produced that I can't remember the name of it

It's on his first album Didn't I do one for you and Fiend? No it wasn't Fiend it was you and Somebody let Dre London in? I did a chunk. You ain't be thinking about that. Jada was definitely one of those New York artists that was working a lot with Southern artists.

Yeah, Jada always, man. You were one of the first. Yeah. But Jada was... Jada good person, too. Jada went in. He went in. Jada my man.

Jada, yeah. What you ride for? This guy here, man. I'm going to tell you something you don't remember. Come on. Jada went in. He went in. Jada is my man. Jada, yeah. What you ride for? This guy here, man. I'm going to tell you something you don't remember. Come on. Let's get it. So Japan was all the same. I got to go back to Japan.

I love Japan. That was one of my favorite tours I ever did. Okay. Without weed. Man. Because we didn't smoke that whole time, right? We never got weed, right? One time.

We got one time. One time y'all got a bag and we got a bag. I mean, Capone had a fight. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, we had a fight. We was at Glam Slam, Prince Club. That's where we was at, in Yokohama or some shit. Wow.

Yeah. I don't know if y'all got to continue. Let me check the fucking... The dressing room with all the shit on the wall and shit. And you was in one, John, and we was in the other. And the promoter was just telling us, don't go outside with this shit. Like, the military boy was outside. That's right.

Yeah. That's right. Like, don't go outside with this shit. And I went outside. We smoked in the dressing room. I didn't know that. That's what I'm saying. It looked like y'all were having so much fun.

We had our gals with us and shit. So we had to be like PC like a motherfucker. We walked past y'all room and them niggas having fun. They going ham, man. Yo, y'all had y'all ladies. I forgot that point. That's how I roll now. It's these niggas' fault.

And the pool. I remember the slide. Oh, yeah. That was in Okinawa. This nigga gets us drunk,. And the pool. Did you? Y'all remember the slide? The pool. Oh, yeah. That was in Okinawa. This nigga gets us drunk, bro. Yes, I did.

Yes, I did. This nigga, we drinking wine mixed with something. He was like, try this. And we drunk it like some fucking idiots, bro. Yeah. You better go. We went to the pool. Yeah.

Like six big old grown niggas. And ran all the the kids away. We on the slide. Man, all the kids out there. I'm not embarrassed about that at all. Like, it was indoor. First off, it's Okinawa. And the only place I've ever heard of Okinawa,

do you know where Okinawa is? Yeah, it's an island. Nah, man, it's where Mr. Miyagi's from. Yeah, the karate kid. I ain't give a fuck about man. It's where Mr. Miyagi's from. Yeah, the Karate Kid. I ain't give a fuck about nothing else, man. That's where Mr. Miyagi... When Karate Kid got with Mr. Miyagi, they was... Because he's from Okinawa. He was like, I'm going to Okinawa.

And I was like... And I'm sitting there with other hood niggas. We hood niggas. And I'm like, man, we gonna go downstairs to that... You know how hard that show was that day, bro? Or the next day man Yo, it was hard That's what my favorite I always say this about John so that's reason why the fans

Destroys me like you always say that story, but you know from now on yeah say big ball Don't say the big guy. You know the big one. That's what you're saying. You know the big one, man. I'm not the big one anymore. I'm big ball. Goddamn, eight ball fucking hip game. Again, again, I love, you know, I'm addicted.

I'm obsessed when we do drink chants and we get people who drink orders. And when I heard that you guys ordered tequila, I wanted to personally, I called personally one of the owners, the owner of one of the finest tequilas on the planet called, what's it called? Drake. And we're going to present it to y'all

to justicate. So now, huh? I know it's Drake. Oh, goddamn, look, it's sexy too. The bottle is sexy. Let Jamie bring it over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we're going to give y'all,

so just in case this is the killer from a black man, I know this man, I seen his come up. He's motherfucking a great motherfucker and we're going to put 8 Ball and MJG on the motherfucking Tequila. Yes. Yes, let's present them. Give them both a bottle.

I don't know. One obviously is the Blanco, right? Yeah. Oh, really, already man appreciate the look that's right already y'all know this is what I've been on

right there with the goddamn flower so next shots we take we gonna take of that god damn Jesus let's do it okay

you got the next question analog or digital analog analog we are children of analog. Analog is syrup to digital is water.

If you ever recorded on TV. Say that again. Analog is syrup. When we say syrup, some say syrup. Some say syrup. It's syrup to water. Digital is water. Analog is syrup. You know, so it's syrup to water.

Dish to it was water. Analog is syrup. I got something to add on to that, but I'm going to say. I was just saying, if you ever recorded on a two-inch tape. This is what I'm about to say. You know what I'm talking about. You take something. It's like carrying a little dwarf.

It's like carrying a little dwarf around. You know, we used to Delta Dash our shit. Delta Dash. carry a little dwarf around. You know, we used to delta dash our shit to delta dash. I've seen an interview where y'all was talking about having to fly out on your rails and like you say,

like you had to do like a pattern. That was the first email. Yeah, that shit. We used to have to go to the airport. Yes.

Send off tapes and they would get to where we sent them to in the time that the flight would take to get there. Okay, damn, because y'all a little before me. So y'all had to go to the actual airport? I would have to

go to FedEx or UPS to send it. At the time, you could go to Delta Dash. Yeah, Delta Dash. You got there the same day, though. What? So you would send a two-inch reel to, let's say, Atlanta or something in the reel

when we get there the reel the reel will be there so this way you don't gotta take that on your your check-in ladder or we're doing some work like this was before we do it online or whatever like we'll do a verse and then shoot the tapes over to the person on the flight wow and then they'll do their verse and then they shoot it back but you didn't record on tape on the plane yes i did yeah on the plane yeah but i didn't i didn't i didn't when i had to send my rails like i would have to send it to fedex so i never had to go to the actual airport that's the first time i have actually heard that we i just said that. But see, you know, like Memphis is like that big distribution hub.

You know, we like really like the largest distribution hub down in the world, you know, because of FedEx. Oh, really? FedEx come from home? That's where the hub is. Yeah. That's where the main hub is. All the drugs come through Memphis. That's why Memphis so far.

I didn't say that. It's like beer. That's what I said. Yeah. Great Memphis don't fuck up. It's like Bill. That damn straight up. Yeah. Great place to be. Yeah. Great place to be.

Now, we had Young Dolph on here, right? We're going to get back in a quick time of slime. But we had Young Dolph on here and I had a moment

with him where I told him, I said, it seems like most rappers are getting killed in their own city. Right? And, you know, rest in peace to Young Dolph I want to say this with a heavy heart

and he basically looked at me and he basically was like nah Nori you know that's them other people basically I mean I'm paraphrasing obviously and I wish I would have doubled down I wish I would have been like nah man that rule applies to all of us right it was like the first time we seen like I wish I would have doubled down. I wish I would have been like, nah, man, that rule applies to all of us, right?

This is like the first time we see like a person beloved in his city get killed in his city. And then I remember the first time, I mean, that information being distributed. You were having a Nipsey too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out Nipsey. But let me tell you the difference, right? Let me tell you the difference between Nipsey's and, um,

young dogs. When young dogs happen, I remember seeing the comments of people from Memphis and they're saying, that's the city. Like, like, like they like, that's exactly how the city works.

That's the way this shit happens. This is the way it does. And I remember like me, like, you know, trying to be, uh, exactly how the city works that's the way this shit happens this is the way it does and i remember like me like you know trying to be uh a good investigative reporter and me just reading that and i'm just being like and then i would go on these people's profile just to see and they'd be like memphis memphis raised and you know i'm saying and i'm like damn this shit is coming this actually coming so is that something that you guys knew? Or is that something that happened after Dolph's murder that?

No, you know, we knew Dolph personally. Okay. You know, that was our guy. Memphis, though, Memphis has always been how it's been. It's like every other urban city, I think, in America. You know, you know it best when you there every day. Yeah. You know, and they can tell you more about his city when they there every day.

Yeah. And Memphis just, man, you know, it's a... Man, it's one of them towns. It's like, as long as you know, really, if you know how to move anywhere, it can be one of the best places you ever visited in your life. And you'll meet some genuine people, people who will say, yes, ma'am, and no, sir, open the door for you and speak to you when they walk past you. You know, that's the type of, you know, that's the good qualities.

Don't let box moves fuck up your perception of Memphis. Now, I ain't saying that you don't have to keep your head on a swivel. I'm not saying that. That's in any city. That's what I'm telling you. I ain't saying that if you come from out of town and you stay at a hotel where you got to park your car in the

rental or whatever you in, you know to take all your shit out the car before you go in you know to take all your shit out the car before you go in the hotel like that's any city you know and that's all it is

man remember Big L he was killing hard you know them things happen to guys man and this is my personal opinion man

it be bigger than the picture of what we all see because you don't see what people are doing behind closed doors or in. Because you don't see what people are doing behind closed doors or in other situations. We don't know that.

You know what I'm saying? So it ain't, you know, it'd be bigger than what we see. Everybody, situations don't be the same. Every rapper don't die when they go back home. Like, that's not true. That's not true. Don't believe the hype.

Don't believe the hype.'t believe that but but we must say that we all go through a phase where you know you grow up with people who who was in the seventh grade with y'all the same seventh grade class and they're sitting there saying that you guys are successful and they're not so everyone goes through that phase of hate yeah that's just life yeah like you you eventually most of the time outgrow it, but then sometimes it just doesn't. And they have so much tools nowadays to destroy

themselves. Like, at least we didn't have that, you know what I'm saying? Like, if something happened, like, I know a dude right now that got beef with this other block, right? And I follow him on Instagram because I'm an idiot.

And all he does is go to that block like 3 o'clock in the morning or like 5 o'clock at night where everyone is like getting out of work and he'll post a picture and then he'll leave. And I'm like, you got to go through all of that shit to prove like just to prove that you're

not scared. The point is proof. You know what I'm saying? He lost it trying to prove. Leave it alone. Leave the shit the fuck alone. I don't understand this shit. I'm so over like, and excuse me if I'm offending anybody, but like 50 year old niggas trying to impress

other motherfuckers with dumb shit. That's what's wrong with niggas, man. You know what I'm saying? Like niggas, you can get too old. You can't be too old to be youthful and do youthful things. That's not, you can't do that. But you can be too old to be doing this dumb shit. Yeah, dumb shit.

Beefing at 50 years old. Yeah, at 50, man. And dumb shit that you wouldn't encourage your kids to do. Yeah, but you have to understand that, you know, just like our lifestyle is a lifestyle, these people that do these things, that's a lifestyle. You know, people get old in that lifestyle, man. You know, people live their whole life that way. You know, like we in music, you know, it's some career criminals. We know that.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Next one, E. Gucci or Walker? Wow. Gucci. Gucci, man. You know, Walker is because of Gucci, you know.

I respect that. And that's all the same, sir. You know, I love them both. You know, we know. I respect that. And that's all the same, sir, you know. I love them both. You know, we know both of them personally. But Gucci. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network

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Boys in the hood. Yeah, boys in the hood. Come on. That's Ice Cube, right? Yeah. Yeah, boys in the hood. Y'all like Jerry Curls. We just stopped.

We just stopped. This is coming to town. I'm talking to Jerry Curls. Memphis, boy, you had it at one time. Girl, you was in Maine. But East Coast, y'all had y'all. Yeah, we had y'all. We had y'all.

I'm going to give you a funny story. I'm going to blow now. I had a. Yeah. I'm going to tell you a funny story about Memphis, right? I'm on Good Belt Gang tour. You know what I'm talking about? So we go to, what's that street?

Bourbon Street? Beale Street? Beale Street, yeah. So we there. We doing white people shit. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we definitely doing it. And then my friend

his name is Shampoo Shampoo sees this white girl and you can tell this white girl has never seen a person what's that shit called

salsa he hit her with a salsa con fuego she wasn't ready for it She wasn't ready He spent her around He gave her the Casablanca That's when you kiss with both hands

I'm looking like this nigga fell in love in three minutes Right? I'm joking about I thought they were together for life The way they were hugging So he tells the bitch He like I need some bud

She hollers at somebody Might come give him some bud The police pulls up A paraphrasing of course Might be skimming a little far The police pulls up And he goes Why'd you hit her? He goes,

what? What do you mean? I didn't hit her. And then the girl's going, I wasn't there, but this is what I heard. She goes, he didn't hit me. And I was like, really? So we're going to just search him and we'll let him go. So they searched him.

Obviously, she just gave the dude a butt. So they find a butt. And then they searched in that little pocket. This is this, you know, all ecstasy niggas know that little pocket. Yeah, the small little pocket. You know, I know. The little extra pocket. Oh, he take out on him.

You know what I mean? The fifth pocket. That little pocket. Yeah. They went in the little pocket and they caught that cold blood. And then the bitch said,

why do you have that? And my man, his name is Shampoo. Damn. Ramirez. Damn. Damn. Don't do him like that, man.

Man, we got to give it up to Shampoo, man. Shampoo. Can we take a shot for Shampoo, man? We can take a shot for Shampoo, man. Hey, man, take a shot for Shampoo, man. Hold on, yeah. Take a shot for Shampoo, man. Wow, man.

Shampoo. This is how Ellen was. Listen, right? Stop. We on tour with his son, Konab. So we leave Shampoo. We don't know Shampoo got locked up. We on tour with his son, Conan. So we leave Shampoo. We don't know Shampoo got locked up.

We leave him. What's your son's name? His son's name is Conan. Yeah, they weird people. Shampoo and Conan. This is my people. This is my family. You don't get to choose them.

So anyway, let me just tell you what happened. So we leave. We leave. And I go back to the hotel. Ironically, who was the driver? We just see somebody that's random. And Memphis,

he opens up his fucking CD case. He got every one of my albums. He got mixtapes I don't even remember making. So I'm like, I can trust this motherfucker.

He trusts me. Musically. Even though he might have been a butcher. Yeah. We just jumped in the car with him. We left. Wow.

Two hours later, his son knocks on my door. He's like, so I'm like, I know that knock. So you know, you know that. You know when you get a bad phone call,

it rings different. It's like a signature. You like, you know it's a bad call. It's like, oh shit. At the wrong time. So that knock, I was like, ah, fuck. So I opened the door, but mind you, this is his man's son. So I don't want to be like, your

father's a freak, nigga. He did the Casablanca, man. He had to go with her. So he's like, yo, my dad didn't come home last night. So I'm like, how the fuck dad didn't come home last night. So I'm like, how the fuck did I wind up with this responsibility? You're in the middle of this.

I'm like, nah, don't worry about it. It's okay. No, it's not. As soon as he turned around, I'm like, yo, call the fucking bell. As soon as he goes to his room, we called the fucking. You called Rich, didn't you? Or no? I believe we called Rich. I think y'all called me.

Immediately. We know what time it is. We know we're experienced criminals. Ex-criminals. So we called the bell of Bosman and this is the first time this has ever happened to me. I swear to God. I'm going to close the story with this.

I called and they're like, yo, I don'm going to close the story with this. I called and they're like, yo, I don't want to blow up his real name. It's like, yes. You don't want to blow up whose real name up? Shampoo's real name. You just said his full name. No, no, no. I'm fucking it up on purpose. I'm doing that on purpose. Just kidding.

I was being racist. I just named a random Latino name. I was being racist. I don't know Sh that's your real name. So this is how you know shit was real. The lady on the phone said, I suggest you come get this guy immediately.

He's the only Latino in here with a pink shirt on. I'm like, the lady knew he was the only Latino. We said his name and they was the only Latino Like we said his name And they was like yes We have him We know who you talking about

He's only one here And there's a bunch of Mexicans She didn't say that But in my mind she said that Well they're Latinos We go No I'm just saying I figured that's what she said

So we go and we bail him out. Who calls me two minutes later and says, yo, pa, I need you to come pick me up. I just bailed myself out. I said, yeah, you bailed yourself out because I bailed you out. And he goes, no. The security guard knew who you were.

So he let me bail myself out. I said, there's no way. I just paid for the bail. So he let me bail myself out. I said, there's no way. I just paid for the bail. So he's like, nah, bro. I paid for the bail. So I'm like, oh, they got me. I had to turn back around. Luckily,

the fucking lady was a Bronx lady from New York City. And she was like, we don't give back bail money. And I was like, you're going to make an exception, correct? And she gave me back the money. So I just wanted to give you that. And by the way,

shampoo, you think you slick? You never went to court, motherfucker. Don't go back to Memphis, then. Just don't ever take your ass back to Memphis. That's it. He probably straight. They ain't looking for my look. Nah, they going to catch his ass. You could be wearing a pink shirt again.

I think it was. Was it Trusted Area? Hey, man. Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi. He was the only Puerto Rican in that whole fucking area. He stuck out like a sore thumb, God damn it. How many years ago that was? I don't remember.

How many years? This was when Coco was alive. Y'all in there, man. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. Y'all in there, man. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. Y'all in there. There's a lot of Latinos in there?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's two of them. Puerto Ricans or Mexicans? Because Mexicans is taking over. You think Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are the only ones? I think it's both. Yeah. No, it's both.

I don't know how to tell you. Yeah, we do. We all over. Yeah, y'all go from Cuba to Miami. Nah. It's loaded. Yeah. I'm from the other side.

How the hell? Yeah, I mean, your family is special. Your father was in the Army. Nah, we in Jersey. That's your wife. Yeah, dog. It's loaded. Yeah. It's awesome. I'm pulling that leg. How the hell? Yeah, I mean, your family is special. Your father was in the army. Nah, we in Jersey. That's your wife. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I made it to Jersey. Union City.

That's it. Nah, bro. That's it. Union City. We have a Spanish Harlem start. No. Okay. They got four Cubans in Spanish Harlem.

No, check it out. Check out the history of Spanish Harlem. You will see. Cubans. Yeah, and then he had to left. Whatever. After Castro got out of the church. You'll see Cubans. Yeah, and then he had to left. He went to Union City. It's not the best place in the world to claim. I'm sorry to people in Union City.

I'm just playing around. Last two. Bone, Bone Thugs, or Goody Mob? Hey, man. Hey, man. Both of them, man. Amen. That's it, amen. Both of them, man. Amen. We hung out on East with the 1999 St. Cloud over there.

Oh, y'all hung out in the neighborhood? First time we ever kicked it with them niggas. Them niggas took us to the hood. We were connected through easy. That's right. It was like love, love. So we went to their neighborhood. On the street they grew up on at like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. They went and pulled the six-folds out of the shit.

We supposed to have them on soon. Pick up the bone dubs. I feel like we taking a shot for bone dubs. But I fuck with both of them boys though, man. You hear me? Who's the other ones? Goody Mob. Goody Mob.

Goody Mob. Hold on. Hey, you know Goody. We taking a shot for sure. Shout out CeeLo. 50 miles 50 miles hold on hey you know goody that's our point CeeLo yeah shout out CeeLo when we first

rich out to him for a feature yeah rich out that's an old song I ain't never heard that rich out rich out nigga said

rich out let's say we reached okay when we rich out to him for a feature he thought that we wanted him to rap on the song. He wanted to sing. Yeah. And no, we like, we know you flowing your ass off.

Oh, so he sent back the verse? And we love good and mild. He sent back the verse rapping? But we used him as a singing feature. Right. Damn it. And he wasn't expecting that. And we was like, see. This was before he was doing it a lot singing feature. Right. Damn it. And he wasn't expecting that. And we was like, see.

This was before he was doing it a lot. Yeah. Right. No, before at all. He was doing it with Day Stuff. Yeah, with Day Stuff. But he wasn't known for it yet. And we were like, see, look.

You need to step on out there with him. That's like Bob Sinclair. Yeah, you know, so he did the paid dues. He always was his self, man. Yeah, man. But you know, he got. And K-Mob legend. They legends all over. Shout out Rico Wade. Yeah. you know, so he did the paid dues, you know. He always was his self, man. Yeah, man. But, you know, he got that. And K-Mom legend. They legends all the time.

Shout out Rico Wade. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Rico Wade. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Mama Wade just, just rest in peace transition. But, like, you know, we done, you know, all them boys, man.

Them our brothers, man. You got roots with them. Cujo. Cujo, shout out. T-Mo. T-Mo. Them our brothers, man You got roots with it Cujo Cujo, shout out Timo Timo Them I brothers, man You know Gip

Yeah, yeah Yo, do you follow Gip on the gram? He's ill on that Yo, Gip on the gram Yo, Gip on the gram Yo, he speak his mind He speak his mind, man Yeah, he speak his mind

And ain't nothing wrong with that Nah, absolutely not I love following him, man You know where he's staying He speaks his mind So And ain't nothing wrong with that. No, absolutely not. I love following you. You know where he's staying. He speaks his mind. So we took a shot for that. Both of them boys, man. I took my shot already.

Okay. Last one. Last one? This is the last one. This is, I'm sorry, what did you call it? Interrogate the witness? What did you call it? Lead the witness.

Lead the witness. But this is the only time that me and EFN says that you should both take a shot. Uh-oh. You already let the fuck out of the witness. I let the fuck out of the witness. I'm sorry. Maybe I just want to take a shot. It's okay.

Loyalty or respect? Shit, man. You got to, you know, have them both. You know. The kind of New Year's you're going to say both. shit man you gotta you know have them both you know ah loyalty can fall in that real you know in that funny line because

people can differ on who what or who you're loyal to could our minds could see that a different way. Respect, everybody want that. Loyalty could fall in that realm of follower or worshiper or, you know, I don't I don't

believe nobody got to be loyal to me or nothing like that. That's not going to make sense. Sounds like a shot to me. Yeah. I think everything sounds like a shot to you. Just give everybody a little respect, man. I think it's both, man.

I'm going to say both, man. You know what I'm saying? Why wouldn't it be both? I'm going to be honest with you. I mean, you just explained your version. You know, it's caught on where you're at. But I think, like I say, loyalty could, but it could differ on who or what you're being loyal to. I would say be loyal to self and respect one another.

Right. You see what I'm saying? Okay, I'm going to be honest with you. We've been doing this for eight years. People come, they bring their own weed, but I've never seen somebody with medical. Is that a medical case? Possibly.

The float flower right there. It's right in your face. I don't know where it came from. I don't know. Is it? You don's right in your face. I don't know where it came from. Yeah. I don't know. Is it? You don't know? Is it? I don't know.

I'm going to put this on push. Nigga, you know I'm talking to you, nigga. Where that shit come from? That came from out here? Yeah. It's around here somewhere. Okay. All right.

Cool. Because that's what I get. I'm a medical patient. Okay. I'm a medical patient. All. I'm a medical patient. All right. Me too, man. I'm doctor approved.

Motherfuckers. A doctor prescribed this, motherfucker. This is real. If I get pulled over, they're giving me back my weed. That's a fact. Me too.

I can't see shit right now. Your black home is kicking in. Every time I hit the blunt, I deceive about it. He suck. He suckers me. I just recently got glasses. Yeah. was kicking in. Every time I hit the blunt, I had to see if it was about 80 seconds. 80 seconds. I just recently got glasses.

I'm kind of in the zone. Are you in a restaurant like this? It was happening. These are the scriptures. These are the scriptures? I got them too. I'm happy to see you. I have to wear them.

I drive a lot at night, bro. I don't care. I love your happy city. Yeah, I have to wear mine. I drive a lot at night, bro. I don't have a problem with driving. But like reading menus and late night tweets, I can't fuck with. I got to put it on the bed. Late night tweets? Yeah, I would like that. Yo, man. But why only late night tweets?

I don't know. I guess it does. I stopped working at night. You know, I'm going to get something else. All right, I'll't know. I guess it does. I'll stop working at that. I'll just go. You don't have to look at something else. All right, I'll take that. Oh, my God. Yeah, but you get older, man. You're right.

Yeah, you have to. Yeah. Straight up. Okay, now we're going to bounce around a little bit. Let's talk about Coming Out Hard. The single and the album, correct? Yes, sir. The single and the album. Yes, sir. Let's talk about Coming Out Hard. The single and the album, correct? Yes, sir. The single and the album.

Yes, sir. Let's talk about both of them. Okay. Uh, it was, um... I mean, we brushed on it earlier, but I want to do it in its entirety.

Like I said, man, it was, um... Reasonable Doubt? It started out from my idea. We produced the whole thing for one day. Y'all, wow. Yeah, me and him produced every song on there.

It's Sonic, that damn classic keyboard. Nigga still working that joint right now. Yeah. That's crazy. Right now. Yeah. But me and him, when we went to Houston, we both had a suitcase filled with records.

I've told this story a hundred times. He got them from his mama. I got them from my mom. We didn't know we each had a record. Yeah, the samples. They weren't the samples. And every song on there that you hear a sample from, like our parents actually gave us them records.

That's crazy. crazy yeah that's dope oh so they took it from your parents no they gave us like a bunch of records a bunch of records yeah

that they wanted y'all to sample from or they just they just knew what you was doing yeah this was kind of like what we were used to

yeah that's a dope origin story from the tracks though yeah cause coming out hard is uh Simply Red and Chaka Khan. Mm. Yeah.

Oh. Holding back the days. Wait, there's an artist called Simply Red? Holding back the years. There's an artist called Simply Red? Simply Red. Yeah. Not Sexy Red.

No. The record's a sample, man. Yo. Sexy Red is now. Sexy Red, oh, some publisher. Simply Red is back there. They two different ends of the spectrum.

What's her name again? It was a dude. Simply Red. That's what I say. It's two different ends It's a group. It's a group. Donald Trump called

Nicky Jam. It's a girl. It's a group. It's two different ends of the spectrum. Simply Red is a singing white boy. It's a group.. Simply Red is a singing white boy. It's a group.

Sexy Red is a dancing black bruh. That's right. Yeah. Excuse the whatever. Shout out Sexy Red. Yeah, shout out Sexy Red. She be going in. Do that shit, Sexy Red.

Before y'all really started making the music, who in Memphis inspired you guys? Besides, I know you got a lot of influence from outside, but was anybody popping or bubbling in Memphis? Yeah, it was a rapper called Gangsta Pat. Yeah, Gangsta Pat. You know what I'm saying? He was actually with the record label OTS before we got there.

There used to be a dude named Fat Tony on OTS before the guy, Resnick Boylan, owned it when we came. But Fat Tony got killed. before the guy Reggie Boylan owned it when we came. Reggie P. Fat Tony, but we didn't know Fat Tony. Yeah, Fat Tony got killed.

Gangsta Pat was actually in the car with him when he got shot. when he got killed. And he died and left the, well, Reggie went on

to keep OTS going. You know what I'm saying? but, Gangsta Pat was definitely one of them. Pretty Tony had a song called Get Buck.

Yeah, I remember Pretty Tony. Everybody just loved that shit. Pretty Tony. Actually, Al Capone, it's a rapper in Memphis named Al Capone. And they had a group

called Me and the... If you ever seen the Grizzlies play, they got a song, Whoop That Trick. Whoop That Trick. It's like an official Grizzlies song.

Yeah, that's from Hustlin' Float. Hustlin' Float. Yeah, he wrote that. But they, it's actually the greatest. They took it from that. Like, fight song. Yeah, Al wrote that. Buddy.

Buddy rapped it. Al wrote it. And Al was actually on E-40's label at one time. Yeah, yeah. He was signing a cigarette for a minute. Cigarette, that's right. Yeah, but Al Capone was like a superstar to us back in the day. Yeah.

They had a song, what was that album's name? Lyrical Drive. Lyrical Drive. Lyrical Drive. Yeah, yeah. But that was like, Al Capone was like a star to us back then. Yeah. Gangsta Pat, Pretty Tony.

And all of us came on at same time man but you know like we looked up to each other yeah and uh like i said gangster pat kicked that off gangster pat but a lot of people do credit you guys as being really the first to really go nationwide you know first it crossed a lot of yeah you know how they say timing is a bitch. Right. So it just, I think it was the timing of things. But Gangsta Pat really, you know, he had the first big distribution deal and everything. Yeah. Shit like that. Do who?

What's his name? Florida Company. I can't think of his name. Florida's back there. And we used to hear Pretty Tony a lot, too, down here in Miami. Yeah, yeah. Pretty Tony get booked. Pretty Tony get booked.

Pretty Tony's had his green beans, man. Yeah. Brown and brown in the green beans. I ain't going to lie, MJG, this hash is so good. You want to say something to that? Thank you. I ain't going to lie. I don't want to keep this to myself.

Thank you, please. It's fantastic. This is like Jesus. This is fantabulous. Yeah, if Jesus cut his toenails off and just put it in. Jesus Christmas. Put it in a please. It's fantastic. This is, this is, this is like Jesus. This is fantabulous. Yeah, if Jesus cut his toenails off and he just put it in. Jesus Christmas. Put it in a blunt, that's it. You know what I'm saying? You know,

Michael makes crying a little bit, you know what I mean? He got a partner. Rosa Parks stepped on him. Yeah, Rosa Parks. She put her little fucking fucked up shit in the go, you know what I mean? Shout out Uncle Lucky. Yeah.

I heard you guys say that. Uncle Luke was one of the biggest record labels. Luke, yeah. Oh, yeah, man. Luke was the real trailblazer from the South. Okay. You just got back all his masters. Yeah.

And we want to, you know, give that shout out to Luke, you know, because I most definitely remember letting the older people in my family hear Luke. The first two live crew out? Throw that D. Hold on, hold on. So you telling me you went to your family and you said, listen, let's listen to Pop That Pussy.

See, I didn't have to do it. Hey, we want some pussy. But you know how you had that cool, uncle cool idea or whatever? You know, but, you know, hey, check this out right here. Check Luke out. Look what Luke doing.

When I prepare, like, to do interviews, I always listen to the music prior to that. Luke was the first person I was like, you turn this shit down. My neighbors was coming out. Y'all call this shit. Hey, what's up, man? Get that old dance. Oh, that D.

Let's dance. Hey, man, but that shit was huge, man. No, and the label, yeah. Lucas, right? That shit was huge, man. When we first moved to Houston, we used to come to a club called 9.9. 9.9. Sounds dangerous.

It was the club. It was like some tunnel type shit. Tunnel. We played the tunnel one time. Get the fuck out there. Yeah, man. Was it nice? It was all right. It was like some tunnel type shit. Tunnel. We played the tunnel one time. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, man. Was it nice? It was all right.

It was all right. Yeah, yeah. South was like, people was trying us on. Okay. You know what I mean? It really wasn't like they knew who we was. But they were just- Was this when you were on Bad Boy that you did that?

No. Oh, okay. Because let me ask you, this is my brother. And he always remembers the time and I'm paraphrasing I know I know

on this one they're going to be on your side but he remembers a time where New York was just so arrogant and I'm out of Miami and he's out of Miami by the way of LA. And I don't remember this time. I mean, I do remember it, but I don't remember identifying with it.

You can't remember it if you're from New York. How are you going to remember it? I can't remember my city. You can't remember how we feel in another region. No, I can't identify how you feel. It's not I can't remember. So what I'm trying to say is I can't identify. Okay, okay, okay. It's not I can't remember. So what I'm trying to say is I can't identify because I'm coming from, I don't want to say,

like, you know, the doer, right? So he says at one point, like, New York was so arrogant, like no one could speak to this. And it was closed off. Oh, yeah. I actually never experienced that. Like, some of my first records was with David Banner, Juvenile, Lil Wayne,

going out to the South. You moved around. Yeah, because I knew. But you came out. That's what I admired about Bun back in the day. Bun used to do records with New York niggas. Yes, yes. I did a record with Bun, too. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, you know. But you got around. Yeah, I did. I did. But you were one of the first, and you came at a time where that started to change. It just started changing when you started doing it. And I never debate you. Yeah, I did. But you were one of the first and you came at a time where that started to change. It just started changing when you started doing it. And I never debate you. Yeah, I never debate you. Remember, you was in jail too, so I'm talking about an era

when you was probably in jail. I mean, it's true. It's true. But let me ask y'all. At one point, did y'all feel like it was like how he describes it? Like New York wasn't letting people in? Definitely. Definitely? It was like... It describes it, like New York wasn't letting people in? Definitely. Definitely?

It was like. No, I'm just saying. It ain't nothing wrong. Yeah, but we understood it, though. We understand. Yeah, you know, we understood it, though. Because that's what, especially after we started going up there and seeing where these niggas, where y'all come from, like that explains a lot about a person when you can walk the soil, you know what I'm saying?

Right, right. But, yeah. You see how he said early on how he called it hip-hop? Yeah. Like, what they did wasn't hip-hop because that's how much it was so gate-kept. That's how y'all made us feel. And I have debates with my friends out here from down south. I would say it's all hip-hop, but the way it looks and the way it felt is they felt that New York was keeping hip-hop and everybody else was just rapping.

See, this is the reason why I'm debating this and I'm debating their group is that was the group that transitioned that, in my opinion. Right. Like so many people from New York were banging their albums. Now, we didn't have Instagram back then. A lot of people in New York were banging their albums. We didn't have Instagram back then to actually showcase that. Thanks. So all you probably got to see was...

But I never... I don't think it's the people that sell in New York or... You say the gatekeepers. It was the gatekeeping industry that was there. When we used to go up there, bro.

Y'all got love. Used to have fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. See, this is... Julia Beverly, man. Oh, Julia. Took me around

to like underground, the basement of a club where they was having fights. You talking about Ozone Magazine? Yeah, yeah. But I know that basement spot that you was talking about. Was that during the mixtape award? Did you go? No.

I'm tripping, bro. Not Julia Beverly, bro. That's true. It's not Julia. Shout out Julia Beverly, though. But no. Julie Greenwald? No, no, no That's a landing record

It's on the tip of my tongue And I'm going to come back to it But for real Like New York Like a lot of people, man When we started going in the 90s Like with Swab Records, man We touched the West Coast

And the East Coast. Because it was like in the middle. Heavy, though. We used to go and get in studios and go shopping and, you know, things of that nature and be with people like Red Man. Like, I used to go to Branson, man. I used to buy weed at Branson. I seen

Red. Hey, fuck y'all. True story, man. Red was sitting on the stoop, and I might have took a cab or something up there. An OJ. Possibly. Go ahead. I get out.

I go in the store. One of my partners from Atlanta was cool with Branson, so he tell me, man, you in town? Best weed in America. Fuck with me. Yeah, yeah. I shoot up to the little store, go fuck with him. Red is sitting on the stoop and shit. He got a car in front of the junk,

but he ain't got no license. I need a ride. He said, man, I'll take you to the, if you want to drive and shit. I drove this nigga car back to the, through New York, back to the head. Like, that was one of them days, man. You know, but we just, like, I could see the...

Everybody got a red man brand to the story, too. That's why I say, like, we was different, though. But, like, we felt like that, too, though. Like, New York has always made a motherfucker, anybody, feel like, you niggas ain't like us. Yeah, you ain't like us. You know, yeah. And we understand it, though.

Y'all niggas, what y''all think it's what y'all doing. That's what y'all doing. But that ain't this. You know what? Because I guarantee you, and I always kind of like, I love this argument when we have it. It's not an argument. It's not an argument. It's like a disagreement.

But, like, I love it. But I love what y'all just said because I'm telling you, it wasn't the majority. No, it wasn't. Not at all. Yeah, it wasn't the majority. Every it wasn't Every time we went up there It was nothing but love I would go out there I was driving to buy records

We didn't fuck with a bunch of rap niggas Regular people But the industry part of it Was keeping it very New York centric And they controlled the hip hop Industry up there I'm not actually debating you on that. What I'm saying is it wasn't the people.

No, I agree with you. It wasn't the people. And it wasn't the artists either. And you know what it was too? It was just the industry side of it. I'm going to be honest with you. If you traveled, you wanted to do a record with somebody from Memphis.

If you traveled, you wanted to do a record with somebody from New Orleans. I mean, that's how me and you connected. You wanted to be connected to Miami exactly but it's the same for New York it's the same for the West Coast if you get around man I wanna fuck with a nigga doing music

in Oakland and shit you know what I'm saying like if you get around hell yeah hell yeah so y'all was signed to Bad Boy at one point Hell yeah Hell yeah So y'all was signed to Bad Boy at one point I worked their records I was doing the street promo out here for y'all

Boris too How did that come about? I know y'all were brushing a little earlier So yeah, Tony Draper had a thing, a relationship with him But the thing about it is this was a powerhouse East Coast label right? So you have to go back to the South. You guys

have to live in Memphis. You guys got to come back to Atlanta. You guys got to go, you know what I mean, all these different places. So many people would say, damn, well, why would you go to an East Coast label, right? I'm sure that y'all received flack for that or maybe you received love

for that because it was one of the biggest labels in the world how was it was both it was both okay because definitely we um we we like to go against the grain you know when when people in memphis was doing crunk music or whatever we did more laid back stuff. That was just us. The same thing with the bad boy thing. When we were away from Suave

and looking for another thing to do, we had been doing business with Puff You know He was on I had a song called

Stop Playing Games He was on that joint You know And then we just This is after the Mace After the Mace Yeah After Suave

And all that And then he was on that road With me Yeah All of that was before We sang with them You know Because we

Did a tour with MFA Fathers is? No, we just stoned. Okay, stoned. Yeah, but like, so we used to be in New York a lot, like I said, you know, and when nigga used to record or whatever, I could hit him, you know, bruh, or where the weed at, or just whatever, you know what I'm saying? And things of that nature. So this was before we signed with Tenet. Then once we was looking for a place to go,

he put something on the table with a bunch of other people. We went with what he wanted to do. Wasn't it Jeezy or something like that? Yeah, Boys in the Hood. Boys in the Hood. Jeezy was a part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was after us, though.

Okay. Right after us. So he had signed y'all, then he... Then, yeah. Okay. Right after us. So he had signed y'all, then he... Then, yeah. Okay. But he just, you know, we... Was it Bad Boy South? That's what they were calling it, yeah.

It was called the Bad Boy South. Okay. We really wasn't like Bad Boy. We was like Bad Boy South. We was something else. Right. You know what I'm saying? Did you think that was a slight, It was. Being called bad boy self

and not just a straight up bad boy? It could have been sometimes. But everybody was trying to do, like Def Jam was trying to Def Jam style, you know. I mean, he was following in their footsteps,

but then at the same time, like, I did feel like some of them bad boy reunion shows, you know. Right. We never was asked to be a part of none of this shit. Oh, recently.

Oh, you're talking about like four years ago. Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. When it was good, good to be a part of the first, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he played in cities, you know, but I'm not, you know, I ain't mad at none of this shit. Right.

Like, it is what it is. Right. But we just, man, you know, we were doing something new because, and I have to tell my reality, man, like, before you know what the baloney is made of, you love it. Until you see how they make the baloney. Your baloney got a couple of first names. I'm just saying.

You look at that baloney, I don't know what that means. You don't remember this? My baloney has a first name? I don't know what you mean by that. And what I mean is that, and what I mean is that by, you know,

man, before, and I still, man, like nothing ever happened negative with us. Ever. With dude. Like, nothing ever happened with A-Ball and MJG.

Nothing ever happened negative with us, man. We just wanted to do something new because we looked up to bruh, you know, like, that shit looked like something different. Like, Biggie and all that, like, he had a movement. There was a legacy there, right.. Joe was seeing Mary J. Black. That shit, that shit was something, bro. Yeah, that shit was something. And that's what we felt like, man.

We finna be a part of this shit. You know what I'm saying? But as time went on, you know, we were a part of it, but not really. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that'm saying so you know that was i'm gonna be honest like as an outsider looking in as the insider looking out like i said that

earlier i just feel like and y'all y'all so much ahead of time is that like time has to catch up to y'all like that's what i swear to I swear to God, like, I'm like. Space Age. Like, I swear to God, because. Space Age. Huh? Space Age. That's Space Age, yes. But I swear to God, because it's like.

That's the formula. Even when he started, like, you know, the Bad Boy South, and then I believe Def Jam had Def Jam South. I believe Scarface was running it. That's when they signed Ludacris. Yeah. But even that little movement, that little spark of movement, start off obviously, Andre 3000

was the first person to really put the South on his back when he said, the South got something to say. And I'm going to be honest with you, as a New Yorker, I'm speaking for myself, not as the whole coast, we didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. That nigga crazy. We didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. That nigga crazy.

We didn't know what the fuck we didn't know what the fuck he was talking about until the South did have something to say. The cold. We was like,

okay, all right. We were all like, okay. That go back to the conversation we was just having, man. When you go back to New York in like the backpack days

and shit. Yeah. All niggas made you feel like, oh nigga, you ain't South Ralph. Nigga, what the fuck is that? Like, that's... You know what I'm just saying?

No, I'm not hating. I'm just talking about what really happened. Like, I love New York. Like, I'm a fan. That's what I'm saying. Like, as a fan of hip-hop from the South, everybody, you love all these... You love New York hip-hop

just to find out they don't love you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just saying the industry side of it. True story, man. The XXL cover, the, uh... Freshman cover? Freshman. Okay. I was on the first one, with a bunch of niggas bust around, all this shit.

Copadonna? Capadonna? Capadonna? My bad, bro, my bad. You know what I mean? Capadonna? Capadonna. You said Copa Donna. My bad, bro. My bad. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Capadonna, yeah. Capadonna walked in the room, and I had a hat on like a bucket.

Nigga, I'm on that same cover. Facts. Look. What the fuck is he talking about? Hold on. Hey, look. Hold on. I'm sitting here looking at you telling a story, okay?

I'm on the cover of Capadonna. Capadonna, I'm talking to Busta Rhymes, but we just did a song together. Okay, okay. He was on my boss album. Okay, okay. I want to come on Capadonna. Capadonna, I'm talking to Busta Rhymes, but we just did a song together. Okay, okay. He was on my boss ass. Okay, okay. Capadonna walks in the room and said, who's the kid with the hat, son? Straight up, he was talking about me. That nigga said, who's the kid with the hat, son?

Straight up. No. But that's, you know, I'm just, I go back to. But you got to remember, Capadonna had just came home from, I believe he. Oh, and he wanted them real New York niggas Yeah yeah But he had came home From jail

So he probably didn't know No but I'm just saying Not no That ain't got shit to do with He wanted them niggas Like Yeah Straight up

Like I get that Yeah I always I always hate that time When people blame my city For being like the meanest Like I'm not a meanie No Like What does What does MJ, I'm not a meanie. No.

What does MJ call Prince? He's a meanie. A meanie. Like, we're not a meanie. There ain't nothing wrong with that, man. That's the spirit of New York, man. Stick your chest out, man. Yeah. Yeah. It wouldn't be New York if y'all wasn't like me. Yeah. That's true. Straight up. And you said your experience at the

tunnel, you didn't like it? We had fun. Okay. No, we had fun. We wasn't like, they wasn't like jamming to our music. Oh, because y'all performed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we had a whole night.

Like, Draper used to do it like really big. Like, we came to New York and we would shut places down, but niggas didn't know who we was. You know, like, and and you know, like, but yeah, we had fun. Yeah, we had fun. And this is what I want y'all to know. Unisex bathroom. Unisex bathroom, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

Here's what I want y'all to know. And this is, I want to speak to EFN and I want to speak to y'all. It was the same the other way. Nah, man. Go ahead. Hear me out. Past Virginia, it was considered the South. Past Virginia, it was considered the South. So every record that we, we had to make crossover records in order to get to that top 40. If you're not in the top 40, you know what I'm talking about. If you're not in the top 40, your records doesn't cross over.

So you can go to Miami. There's been times I went to Miami. If it wasn't a New York crowd, I did not have a great time. I'm going to tell you why. I agree. No, but there's a- It had to be a crowd that followed me. No, no, but there's a reason for that.

Miami's the tougher crowd than New York. No, listen, listen to me. Or just as tough. I worked street teams. I worked marketing. I work marketing. I know this. Okay. The thing in the South is that we didn't have mix shows like you guys had up there.

We didn't have dedicated hip hop mix shows. No, we didn't have them. Okay. We didn't have video music box neither. No, we didn't have that either. You're right. We had the box. But you said on Ralph McDaniels that you got the taste.

Yeah. Die hard hip hop head. But you're talking about crossover radio and radio. We didn't have mix shows until way later, hip-hop mix shows. Like, Night End Jams, Luke, we talked about it with Luke. Luke brought talent to make one of the first hip-hop shows on Christmas radio. My first mix tape I ever heard in my life came from New York. My best friend stayed across the street from me.

His mama, Big Darryl Chisholm. Shout out Big Darryl Chisholm. He live in Milwaukee right now. Milwaukee Bucs. His mama married a nigga from New York, moved up there. He used to go in the summertime to stay with his mama.

And he would take the mix shows off the radio and bring them back yeah in the school and that's how i heard like was it a dj that had a host that mistake and i can't no he's saying off of the radio and i thought that's what we were getting radio but that's the original mixtape no no no i'm saying a lot of people record the mix show because again we didn't have mix shows out here so hearing that that. I know what y'all saying. He just poured this shit off the radio. Yeah. I should have started off the set, too.

I know. We had one night. Now I understand. Like, I ain't going to lie. We had one night. I'm trying to explain the clarity of this moment right now. Yeah, when I was a kid, we had one night, Friday night, when they would do like a New York style mix show.

And that was it. That was it. That's all. We had a fire radio out here. So what was they playing on, you said Friday night, right? Yeah. So what was they playing in Memphis

from Monday through Thursday? They were playing... They were playing like crossover shit. Yeah. You know some of the shit? The record label shit. You know all that shit?

Like all the record label shit. Just not hip hop. Yeah, whatever was popular. I feel y'all paying. You know like you had to be you had That's why Friday night Was so special Right Like I was one of them niggas

You know They outside playing bro At 10 o'clock I'm in front of the radio Nigga hitting the button With the tape Straight up Fuck them niggas outside

I'm hitting this button Straight up Then we showing up The next day You got this yeah Yeah listen to this nigga Watch what I got I'm gonna give you

Another example To show what I'm telling you The way we broke records Out here Was the strip club And that's why Because in the strip club We would get it played

By the way I just wanna let y'all know It's the only reason Why people still come to Miami But I'm telling you That's how we Circulate radio Because y'all bring records

To strip clubs And that's kinda like Fucking fantastic Miami was a culture shock It's like it's every married guy's best wish you think I want to be there

you think I want to go to fucking Booty Trap on Thursday on a 4 o'clock and watch somebody named Cinnamon you think I just smell like potpourri? You saw how we used to take you to Showgirls?

Yo, let me tell you something. They had the worst strip club in the world. They had Showgirls. Everybody got shot in there. Showgirls. Only person that didn't get shot was the security. The girls was hard.

Where Showgirls was it. It's down south in Cutler Ridge area. Don't go there. They had a couple different names. They changed the name a couple times. Yeah. She dancing with the knife in her back. Nah, you loved it there. We loved it there. I just liked it. We walk in

they show mad love. I just didn't want to offend you. They were playing whatever record we wanted them to play. Nah Nah you loved that spot I was threatened Nah We would have a ball A lot of dancers Before we were both married

Throw that out there Before we were both married Back in the day Wait wait wait Alright let's get into some more Okay We talked about Break Em Off already?

Break Em Off We've talked about that already? Or no? talked about Break Em Off already? Break Em Off. We've talked about that already? Or no? The song Break Em Off. That's right. Go ahead. Really? Let's talk about it.

Straight up. Break Em Off proper? Break Em Off proper. Yeah. Yeah. How did that come about? We always tried to do something against the grain. Mm-hmm.

It didn't sound like nothing our peers was doing. It's not like you want to take a shot. Come on. Oh, fuck! What'd you do? You dropped it? I got 10 over here. She done stocked me up.

Goddamn, you can get one of mine. No. Yeah, I don't need all this. I only drink. I'm over my limit anyway. When it comes to tequila, I only drink. Over my limit anyway. You know what I mean?

My September 6th brother. Yeah. Hold on. I'm going to catch up. Don't worry about it. I will catch up. Wait on it. That's my whole dead body.

Just so y'all know. That's all my dead body. So y'all know. She been clean. Salud. Salud. I'm going to be honest with you I've done this shit for eight years

About to be nine We are not getting MJG drunk I'm just being honest Nah He is like I gave up on that A long time ago He's a professional

He is not And he got water And by the way It's how you know A real real drinker Because he drink his water Hey man What the fuck

I'm still doing the water No because a fake drinker You sip it And your water is still up there So it really doesn't help you out You got to drink that water When you drink that You got to hydrate

That's when you hydrate And that's when you He ready to go He know We can go horseback riding After this He's wet He don't give a fuck

Yeah yeah I know a drinker When I see a drinker He know Trust me And I've been in Japan With him drinking for 24 hours Oh my god

Boy that was probably The drunkest Y'all pool story's hilarious No I'm being honest Because We really didn't have no weed Yeah And we did like

A month and a half Right It was something crazy. And we did like a month and a half, right? It was something crazy. It was something crazy, bro. A month and a half on tour in Japan with A-Boy and JG. I ain't going to lie, though. I took a big bottle of syrup. I took a whole pint of this shit. Wow.

Like, it fucked me up because I went through customs and everything. They didn't know what the fuck that shit was. With a pint of syrup. In the bar. Ain't nobody saying nothing. They're in back. Took what was left back. Ain't nobody saying nothing. And by the way, I want to thank you brothers for that experience.

You know, that was me and Capone. Capone was fresh off of jail. He was fresh off of jail. I believe that was his first tour. He came home uh we got him right and uh that was our first tour and our first tour was with y'all in japan and let me just tell you something i will never ever forget that tour i will never forget y'all and i will never forget that experience i brag about this experience all the time, right? Am I lying?

On the show, like, I always brag about that experience. Because I'll be honest with you, like, and I know I'm putting a lot of pressure on y'all. Putting a lot of pressure on y'all. If I'm a legend,

y'all taught me how to be a legend. And this is real talk because I would go hang out with y'all taught me how to be a legend and this is real talk because I would go hang out with y'all every night I would think they're going to say not tonight Nori because I'm a little too much you know what I'm saying that version of you

that's a 28 year old version of me come on I was finger popping a lot You know what I'm saying It was crazy Thug down I named it thug down It wasn't a nice guy

And I would come around Yo yo I wanna hang out And they'd be like I could tell they were looking at me Like a little nigga But they hung out with me Every single night And they drunk with me

Every single night I can't remember another act that I ever was on tour with that didn't get tired of me fast. Like, you got me too drunk, motherfucker. I couldn't make soundcheck the next day. I'm going to say a couple of them shows I don't remember, though.

We drank like a month. I think this is my development of Drink Chance because I'm on tour the whole time, smoking weed everywhere I go, and then they don't tell me there's no weed in Japan until I land. Man.

And then I land, and they're like, oh, by the way, you know, there's not really no bud out here. Yeah. And that wasn't on my radar. It's real illegal. It's not just... It's real illegal, goddamn it.

Like, we're in the ground illegal. I'll give you one more funny didn't take you to jail. It's real illegal, god damn it. It's like Britney Grunner illegal. I'll give you one more funny story, then we're going to get back into this. We land. We land. This is crazy shit. It's a two-part story. I'm going to hurry up as fast as I can.

The illest traffic I've ever seen in my life, we land. And I'm like, yo, why is the traffic not moving? They're like, yo. So we finally get to the hotel. People say, yo, why is the traffic not moving? They're like, yo. So we finally get to the hotel. People say, yo, there was four kids. Three of them made it to college. The fourth one did.

All four of them jumped off the roof and killed themselves. Whoa. Where am I at? Like, where I'm from, if three kids make it to college, that's a celebration. Right, right, right. I'm like, if three kids make it to college, that's a celebration. I'm like, wait a minute. They killed themselves? In solidarity with each other.

That's crazy. Boom. Now, my people go to the mall. I won't say this guy's name, but he's still around. I still got love for him. He goes to the mall. This is when G-Shocks was hot. He steals like seven G-Shocks.

Because they don't look at you in Japan to steal. Because no one steals in Japan. This idiot comes back to the hotel room and is like, nobody looked at me. Wow. He had seven G-Shocks. The promoter knocks on my door wants to give me something and

he just walks in nonchalantly. He doesn't know nothing. And he's like, yo, I just want everybody to know that you'd rather commit murder out here than to steal anything. So I see my boy he just saw sweat and you're just looking at him

he's under arms you know you know you know that sweat that real sweat and I'm looking and he's like yo so as soon as the promoter goes he's like

I gotta bring him back I said I think you might die more if you bring him back just at this point just get the fuck rid of him but that was the first time like he actually stole he knows exactly who it is yeah if you bring it back. Just at this point, just get the fuck rid of it. But that was the first time.

Like, he actually stole. He knows exactly who it is. Yeah. He's alive, breathing. And you put me in jeopardy, motherfucker. With eight ball injuries.

Do you know, do you imagine how I would have looked for stealing a fucking hundred dollar watch? If it was 20, if 24, you'd go viral, nigga. Right? Back then, you would've went to jail and just went to jail, nigga.

Now, you would've won back. They be getting out right now. Nori steals a watch in Japan. A G-Shock at that. I'm a motherfucking watch connoisseur at this point. Jesus. Salud. Hey, look.

We tried to go in a strip club, right? In Japan? Yeah, man. Okay. Y'all the only niggas that tried to go to a strip club in Japan? The boys said, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no The boys were doing it on the right No, no, no, no

Wait, why? They explained to us like the black military niggas Was going in them joints, getting to fighting and shit Getting too drunk and shit. And we didn't know. We just seen the pictures of the... We didn't even know what we were reading. It was just pictures of

women on this wall going up these steps. We finna go up here. And man, went up the steps. Bro said, no, no, no. We was like, no, we can't come. We putting our money. That nigga said, no. I ain't gonna lie. Japan love you a long time. No, no. We was like, no, we can't come. We putting our money. That nigga said, no. No, no. Yeah, because no. No, I ain't going to lie.

Japan love you a long time. I ain't going to lie. Black man is God in Japan. I don't know if y'all know that. I said y'all boy were having fun. That's what I'm telling you. I ain't going to lie. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you.

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes one, two, and three on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. But I do have a question. And we talked actually a lot about this with Gangsta Boo. And I think somebody else, but what was your take on Hustle & Flow and the portrayal of Memphis? Of Memphis? I don't know, man. You ain't like

Terrorist or Hell, man? It was a great performance. The lingo was cool. Was it accurate from your standpoint? It was close. It was a good parody. It was a great parody. Yeah. It was a great parody.

I'll say that. I feel I'm objective. Like, you shouldn't ask us this question because I feel a certain way that we didn't have a cameo in the motherfucker. Are we saying fuck Hustle and Flow here? I'm not saying that. Okay. It helped a lot of like, it spawned great things for Al Capone. Oscar and Grammys for-

That's what I'm saying. Like, it spawned great things for Three Seasons of My Baby. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the people that created it should have included A-Ball and MJG. Okay, so let me ask you. Seeing the movie, everybody here seeing the movie, what role would y'all want to play? If the director came to y'all and said,

yo, guys, I want y'all to be a part of this. I want y'all to play who y'all want to play. Who would you pick? Would you pick yourself? Or would you pick... No, I would want to be a character. Like, everybody.

Ludacris was... Who he was. Chauncey Black was some shit like that, yeah. He was black and he ain't black. DJ Paul was on the porch. He liked skin like a mother. He was the dope boy or something, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I could have, a cab driver, nigga, whatever.

Like, put me in the motherfucker. That's all I'm saying. Like, yeah. Was it filmed in Memphis? Definitely. It was filmed in Memphis. Wow. But, I mean, it was a great movie movie and it did a lot for the city.

It did a lot for people from the city. And I'm not hating on it. I just hate that we wasn't a part of it. God damn. I think we all hate that you wasn't a part of it. So we're going to look at Hustle & Flow different now. Shit is different. We're the side of it.

Hey, man. Yes. But do Hustle side eye. Hey, man. Yes. But Deuce, I'll do a flow part two. Starring. Hey, boy. Hey. Hey.

I ain't gonna lie, though. We got a, we working on a series called The Mound. Y'all, about y'all life? Yeah. That's what we want to see,

though, bro. Yeah, it's like the early shit, like going into coming out hard you know it starts off like Wu-Tang you seen the Wu-Tang shit

on home oh that's what we talking about we should have we should have let off with this hold on so hold on scripted obviously yeah yeah

it's in the works man who's going to play you ain't no tell ain't no teller, man. Ain't no teller. You know, we started off, man. Dude, what's my boy name? Tashawn.

Tashawn. Yeah, he on BMF now. But he was playing me, and this other kid was playing him when we started with the movie. Who playing you? What's my boy name? I forgot, dude. Tied to actor, something like that yeah yeah but that was that was then see we already we started as a movie but we have seriously started on it um it's best to do a series we think that's the way to go you know what one of the greatest things

is tupac's movie was so good but it was so limited because of the three hour or two hours or whatever it was. So many people critiqued it because of that. But now with the Wu-Tang series, I think the Wu-Tang series kind of like leveled it out because you get, and now they're like on season three or some shit like that. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. And you're saying start from the beginning of the first album. Yeah.

Like going into it. They got 12 seasons. Like the born into it. They got three every before. They got 12 to 20 seasons. Yeah. If you do it that way. Yeah, going into it.

Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. So that's in the works, man. Yeah. If you plan to see. And let me just tell y'all, bro. I know I said this earlier and I alluded to it

but there's there's probably no one in the industry music industry that is a respectful individual that don't respect y'all so I don't think there's not one individual

that you guys can call that will say no yeah I don't think so bro it's some man nah man fuck them let's expose them.

Let them know. Send me the text. Look at this nigga. This nigga ain't said no. Let's whip that trick. You know what I'm saying? All right. Yeah.

So let me move through it. Let's move through it. Okay. Sash Head. The Funk Junkie featuring MC Breed. That's my man. Shout out Breed, man. Shout out Breed.

I still got Breed. Shout out Breed. Phone number saved in my phone. Same phone number from back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breed, that was our first paid feature. First time we ever paid a nigga to rap on something with us. That y'all paid?

Yeah. Oh, wow. Suave. Breed. He was on Suave House? No. No, no. Okay.

But we was big fans of the album, the new Breed, and all this shit he had with Park. Yeah, he joined some Park. Yeah, we were big fans of that shit. Big fans. So how did y'all initially hook up? Getting the feature from him. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that was it.

Reached out to people and flew that nigga to Houston, man. He came to Houston and did his thing. And ever since then, we was hooking up here and there. Okay, so let's... I i mean me i i personally know this but but but my information that i personally know doesn't necessarily relate to the fans right and i know we spoke about it earlier about you know the rails and all that but let's let's let's

let's describe to fans people that's listening um how hard it was to do a feature back then? Because it's either you had to actually be in the actual room with them or how we alluded to earlier. Sending the reels. Or getting it to them. So how hard was doing it? Do you think doing a feature back then

was harder? We was in the studio with Nick. You had to be in the studio. That's why you were in the analog. I don't think it was harder. It was just different studio with Nick. You had to be in the studio. That's why you were in analog. I don't think it was harder. It was just different. You know what I'm saying? Like, easy right now

way better. More collaborative. You got chemistry in the studio. Don't you feel like the music was better because y'all had to be in the studio together?

Yeah. It's a different chemistry. Yeah. It's a different chemistry. That's why I love analog. Like, me personally, like, when I did a song with Busta Rhymes, I did a song with Nas, you know, so on and so forth, from R. Kelly to whatever. Like, yeah, yeah, I did a song with R. Kelly. Man, motherfucker, yes, I did.

And I took that check. Kelly talented as a motherfucker. Yeah. And that nigga made me wait for, like, three, four hours. He played basketball. I was like, what the fuck? I'm N-R-E, nigga. Hurry the fuck up. But he gave me $50,000.

I liked it. I went too far? Okay, my bad. Yeah, that's why I felt like the music was better because you had to be in the same place. You ever did a record with R. Kelly? No. You never fucked up? I did. Kelly? No. No. We sampled one

in the record. I did one. I did one with I'm in Love with a Stripper. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm in Love with a Stripper remix. I'm in Love with a Stripper

remix. T-Pack. R. Kelly jumped on the joint. Him, R. Kelly, Twister. Yeah, Pimp C. There's a bunch of people on that record.

Me, yeah, Twister, Pimp C, R. Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. And we bunch of people on that record. Me, yeah, Twista Pimp C, R. Kelly. Yeah. And we sampled one of them niggas records. He took 80% of the song. Jesus. God damn. Do we make some noise for that or no? Nah.

I mean, this shit ain't shit to me. I'm just saying. I'm not a fuck with Kelly, though. I don't have no... I'm not a fuck with Kelly though I don't have no I'm not what a nigga do on they I ain't got nothing to do with that I love that nigga music

Comedian just said that now that they've elected Trump that he's openly now listening to R. Kelly Trump is? He's supporting the criminals I mean that's what the comedian said Trump gonna make an album, Nick. Man, I'm telling you.

Are you into Nick's music? That nigga done did everything but rap. I'm telling you. No, that didn't happen. He already got the tinnitus. He did everything but rap. He did a rubber run like a rapper. He already got the tinnitus.

Let me ask you the million dollar question. And this is real. Was you ever in love with a stripper? Hold up. Dun, dun, dun. Good luck. You had a couple nights. I made it almost, almost.

Thought I would, but I had to bounce back. This is after the 45 strokes? No, it was right around 43. 43? You fell in love with 43? 42 and a half? I had to call the non-size attention.

This is the only nigga that will go into sleep, go to sleep at the strip club. Oh, damn. We was in the strip club one night, bro. We deep like this right here. My boy over here like this. Our young niggas and Went and got a bunch of chicks And bring them back They dancing

That's what I'm saying You ain't offending the girls The girls must have been offended Bitch was dancing On this boy for 20 minutes My boy like this He was sleeping Then she go ask for some money

When she finished He like I don't recall Happening to you I didn't even ask you To do nothing So for the record He was never in love What happened to that? Yeah, I didn't even ask you to do nothing. Man. So for the record,

he was never in love. He said almost. Almost. 42 strokes in. Yeah, 42 strokes in. 42 pumps. 42 pumps. Okay.

Stop short, my brother. Stop short. Because, you know, at one point, I'm going to just be honest with you. You know, what was the phrase? I believe it was country bunking, right? That they used to say, right?

And at one point, that was the reason for it, right? Was because we looked at people in the South. Or Bama. They would say Bama a lot. Bama or whatever. Like, why do y'all throw money at girls, right? We thought that was lame. You should see New York strip clubs right now.

Right? But we thought that was lame back then. Like, we was like, there was three things that we said we'll never do. Throw money at bitches, eat in a strip club, and then shit in a strip club. I lived out here for a week. I broke all those rules in two days. I was shitting Scott Storch was out there like,

what the fuck are you doing? Hey, man. I'm eating chicken wings and I'm tipping everybody. That damn near my main reason to go now. It's to eat. It's to eat.

I go live. Listen to me. Yeah, yeah. What's that? Tootsies? Tootsies. I swear to God, at one point, I was going to Tootsies for lunch. I didn't get no fucking dance.

I didn't look at no bitches. And I smoked a little bit of weed. They had this fried lobster. They said the chef was a culinary chef. I didn't research him. I just believed it. Yeah. It said that the Lemon Peppers was born in Miami at Tootsie's.

I didn't question the chef. I just asked for extra blue cheese. To make it taste good. So some of the strip clubs got some great wings. Yeah. What's one of the greatest strip club foods you ever had? Well, from the limited times

that I have indulged in the strip club areas, I would say maybe some lamb chops or from what club? where we be going man

say the name of that joint with the lamb burgers and shit look you know he halfway guilty he said cheetah he know everybody looking at him he still whispering he remember better cheetah in Atlanta, man.

That food so good in there, John, man. I like Onyx wings better than Cheetah's in Atlanta. Is Onyx still open? I'm a dinosaur. I don't even do the wings. Yeah, Onyx still open. You don't fuck with wings? No, I do.

I'm just saying I like the lamb burger better. Lamb burger? The lamb burger. Oh, yeah. Ham burger. Lamb burger? Lamb burger? Lamb burger. Oh, Jesus. I like the clubs

I like the wings and onyx because you know what what was the other front the Puerto Rican spot that closed down come on I was looking at people who go to Atlanta you look like you've never been

to Atlanta Follies That's a whole one. I was looking at people who go to Atlanta. You look like you've never been to Atlanta. Follies. Follies. Food horrible. Great atmosphere. Great atmosphere. Great atmosphere.

So, like, he said earlier that they used to break records in the strip clubs. Was that like, is Memphis like that? Like, that you could go and break records? At one time, Memphis used to be that strip club was that like is Memphis like that like that you you go and break records and one time if it's used to be that is that strip club it actually boy that strip club city well if Nick it's well okay make it way bucket naked with a bucket with a bucket buckets naked okay yeah like All the way for a couple decades. Oh, they changed that? No? Yeah, you know. It got too violent for the strip clubs to survive.

Like, only the square strip clubs survive. Like, the junks where they just topless and you got to get two tickets and get some beer or something. That shit's going to survive. But, like, the shit that you want to go to, that shit ain't going to survive. Because they're killing niggas on the parking lot. I'm just telling you the truth. That's when I knew New York, we had nothing.

When we first started fucking with strip clubs, South niggas used to come to our club and be like, these bitches still got on their bra. Yeah. Atlanta changed the world. Atlanta changed the world as far as strip clubs go. Because Atlanta was the first bucket naked.

I think Miami might have been. Well, they did it different. That's a discussion. Yeah. The two biggest discussions. Like I say, Memphis was like that in the 80s. Memphis was bucket naked too.

70s and 90s. And Miami for sure. 100%. Oh, yeah. Miami was the seed. And the lap dances. Yeah, all of that shit. And Atlanta wasn't doing the touch lap. None Miami for sure. Oh yeah. Miami was the seed. And the lap dances. Yeah, all of that shit. And they wasn't doing

the touch lap dances. And I ain't gonna lie to you. Miami had no age limit neither. I don't know about that. They were letting niggas in. And it was niggas near 11 years old. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

You fucked up. Look at Boris. Look, he jumped up. Look at Boris. You run. You run to love your own. Look how red your face is right now. He got red in his face. He went like, look how red his face is.

He got snuck into the strip club. Exactly, that's what I'm talking about. He was like 16. I can believe that. Too young. They used to have a, in Orange Mound, there used to be a strip club called Bottoms Up. Orange Mound, that's in my own.

We have a Bottoms Up. That's where y'all from, right? Orange Mound, that's in my own. We used to sneak in there at a certain age. As long as you had the money, they wouldn't even ask you for no idea. Yeah, Miami is the same. Yeah, it's true. Not no 11, though, bro.

Relax. Man, by the way, thank y'all so much, man. Because, one, this is something that me and my partner friend want personally. But other than that, this is something y'all fans really want. It's something that the, the, the hip hop community really want.

And I'm honored, I'm honored to, to, to, to bow down and, and give you brothers y'all flowers because one, you deserve it. And two,

it's something that we have to do because you fucking deserve it. Thank you. It's my first time taking a piss before you. Yeah, I got to take one too. Oh, let me go first. Hold it there. We take a piss periodically, one by one. So we talked about the people you say in Memphis

that you would listen to, but now what are the out-of-town influences, like the people you say in Memphis that you would listen to. But now what are the out of town influences? Like the artists that really stuck out to you that you think influenced how you guys rhyme today? Not from Memphis though. Yeah. Is there anybody specifically? I mean we were

as kids I want to say like 12 years old, heavily influenced by Run DMC. You know, our name, A-Ball and MJG. It's like Run DMC. You know, I think it's think of a group name. Like, let's just do like them boys, you know. But heavily influenced by them and just all i don't know early like we listen to everything if you listen to our music i think um it's a it's a little bit of everything in there you know he was talking about uh break them off uh that was like a uh east coast style record almost as far as the music was you know um and just i don't know we went everywhere with it though man you know what about production style

uh i think our best our best music came from when um um, when we worked with T-Mix, definitely. Yeah. You know what I mean? Producer? Yeah, yeah. Like,

from, uh, from on the outside looking in, to, um, in our lifetime. Like, that was probably our best music ever.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Now, yeah, I did a joint with Big Crip, Money on the Floor, featuring you guys and... Shout out Big Krip. Yeah. Yeah.

And I believe two changes on that song as well. How did that song come about? Krip. Big Krip. Yeah. He's from... Mississippi. Mississippi.

Yeah. David Banner taught me how to spell Mississippi and I still get it wrong. Yeah. Thank you for laughing at that. How did that come about? He just hollered, man. He just hollered, man. I think he did produce a couple of records for us

at that time as well. But he just hollered, man. He just hollered, man. He always been a fan, man. He wanted to make something happen and he made it happen. Let me ask y'all. Is there anybody who ever told y'all they was a fan of y'all that y'all

were shocked? Lots of people. Yeah, still. They'll be shocked. Lots of people. Give me an example give me an example of one man boy

I don't know man I had to think about that one cause everybody's a fan of y'all so I I don't know, but you know, it just... I don't know. We are such fans

of the whole, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't look at it like that. You got to really count. Yeah, you know. That's a real count right there you just put on. Because y'all legends are legends.

I want to get in the interview seat and be like, how did it feel to work with Pharrell? I'm about to ask y'all, because that's one thing that I noticed that y'all didn't work with Pharrell. Did y'all ever cross paths? Went to the studio one time

with Diddy. Okay. And met him and talked or whatever. But we never worked though. But it was in the studio. Yeah. And did he play

y'all beats or no? We wasn't there for that. I think we was with somebody else that was working. Okay. And we was just there for the introduction.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? So we wasn't there to work, I don't think. Okay. But I don't know what it was, but I would have loved to, you know what I'm saying? That would have been some monumental shit. Oh, yeah. I could hear that, Ricky. But let me

ask you. God comes down from Earth. I mean, from Heaven. He comes to earth and he meets with y'all and he having some motherfucking drays tequila with y'all

and he says you got one record to save humanity and you got one producer who's going to produce this record and if you would like we have one feature

this one feature could be dead or alive. But you got one record to save humanity. And you got one feature. Who is that producer that's going to make that record? And who is that feature that you're going to choose? Dead or alive? Well, Dead or Alive man well me personally

I always choose Marvin like my Dead or Alive that I would love to do something with Marvin Gaye that would have been you know what I'm saying I would definitely pick him, but I don't know the production, though.

That's heavy right there. T-Mix? What's his name? T-Mix. T-Mix? Yeah, yeah. That would be some magic. T-Mix and Marvin Gaye?

Yeah, that would be some magic. Shit. I got a shot. I was about to say, I'll take a shot if there's a shot here. And guess what, D-Rex? Yeah, yeah. If you. I'm about to say, I'll take a shot if there's a shot here. And guess what, there is!

Yeah, yeah, if you want to goddamn go to some, you know, but yeah, Marvin Gaye, man. You guys ever did anything

with Organized Noise? Yeah. Production-wise? Yeah. Rico Waves, man. Yeah. Organized Noise, they did...

Rest in Peace, right? He passed away recently. Yeah. Yeah, he did work on uh you know our lifetime album we did uh uh pay dues the one that celo sung on oh so he he produced that yeah okay uh put your hands up with uh outcasts yeah okay um we don't give a fuck uh we got a song called we don't give a fuck we got a song called we don't give a fuck

they did great job bless you and our first gold record ever was Soul Food Remix with Goody Mo first gold record

I ever got wow so let me ask you the same question God comes down says man you got one record to save humanity

and you get to pick the producer and you get to pick the artist featured same question. God comes down and says, man, you got one record to save humanity and you get to pick the producer and you get to pick the artist featured. Oh, man. I think I would have to say I would be the producer and I would be the producer and I would be the artist

feature damn that's a first that's a first so Abar MJG featuring MJG produced by MJG

that's the hardest answer I've ever heard I've never heard I was not ready for that I've ever had. Why not? God damn it. I was not ready for that. I'm taking a shot. Why not? If there's anything you could take back from the game, like something that,

let me rephrase the question. I'm going to give you an example of mine that I went through. Friend of mine, name is Tata. He sends me bottles of Yamazaki whiskey, you know, all the time. Whatever, that's one friend. But he brung me this girl one time. And he said to me, I want her to do the remix.

So, body, more than a. And I was like, no problem. And then he goes, but she wants 15 grand. I had a million dollar budget. And I basically was like, that's too much. You know what I mean? And I fucked up. This girl wound up being Rihanna.

Biggest mistake of my career. Wow. Biggest. Now you think about it. That 15 grand could have made me five million dollars but i couldn't think like that so is it has there ever been a time where someone presented you an artist or feature or something that you couldn't see it and you and you realize later on you regret it later. Same story. Okay. We used to record at this studio in Houston called Digital Services. And everybody used to record at this studio. Do not tell me Beyonce.

Bro, these little girls was out there. Oh, my God. I'm telling you the truth. I'm telling you God's on it. You hear the phone, folks? It's God's on it. These little girls was in here and they telling us y'all need to smoke back there. Yeah.

Oh, because, okay. The old man walks back there. We don't know who these people are. Mr. Knowles. And tells us, man, y'all better get a song with my girls, man. They finna go. Guess what they was up there working on? Wyclef. We never knew what was going on because when you got your

head up your own ass, you ain't looking at none of this shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Wait, wait, say that again. They working on the Y-Clip. What was the remix? Bills or something? Okay. Wasn't that the Y-Clip remix or something? Okay.

That's what they was up there working on. And he was telling us to come do a song with them yeah we was in the back we had our side cause we stayed

in there John yeah and just it was a it was a common area that had a ping pong table okay

probably a pool yeah yeah TV yeah that type shit and we be in there like okay so I wanna get this straight yeah Mr. Knowles walks in your room.

They were little girls. They were little girls. That's how we looked at it. We didn't know this is Beyonce. We were just like, nigga, we in here talking all this pimp shit. And them some little girls.

Right, right, right. Yeah, so we didn't know. They could be taken the wrong way. Yeah. Fuck. I'm trying to imagine. This is Destiny Child. It's not Beyonce. It was, yeah. Destiny Fuck. I'm trying to imagine. This is Destiny Child. It's not Beyonce.

It was Destiny Child. I'm trying to imagine what a Destiny Child. What would that have been? That's what I'm trying to say. Like, what would we have done at that time? I mean, you would have had to

maybe... Make something? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say commercial, but like... Well, think Old Dirty Bastard and Mariah. That's a great example. Old Dirty Bastard and Mariah. That's a great example.

You know what I'm saying? Old Dirty, though... But he made it work for him. That's what I was going to say, yeah. We would have had to definitely make something work. But y'all were Space Age, so y'all could have... Y'all could have made it work. We just wasn't in that mind frame at that time, man.

But had you been in that mind frame, what do you think that record would have sounded like? Probably would have been bumping. T-Mix producing that shit and them singing on it, that shit probably would have been fire. It would have been real nice. Because I know I asked you this earlier, but was that an advantage of having that Houston connection?

Because, like, you had Memphis. You had that on lock. You got that city comes with you regardless. But, like, Houston actually accepted you guys. Yeah. Like, it wasn't like you guys had to audition. Houston was big. Yeah, Houston was big.

Going to Houston, and I'm going to get real candid with you right now. Shit. At that time, a lot of illegal things came from Houston to Memphis. So it was a big connection. Like, for us to go down there and flourish in Houston, like, that was big for the town. Like, yeah, that was big for the town. Yeah. I love this shit, man. I was big for the town. Like, yeah, that was big for the town. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I love this shit, man. I love this shit, bro. Shout out to everybody in Houston, man. Lil' Kiki, my nigga. Let's talk about pumping in my own rhyme. Pimp in my own rhyme. Pimp in my own rhyme. I'm sorry.

I'm dyslexic. All right. Pimp in my own rhyme. Pimp in my own rhyme. Let's talklexic. Oh, really? Pimp in my own mind. Pimp in my own mind. Let's talk about that. How'd we get there? Man. That's one of them.

I just want to say something. Yeah, that's one of them. I don't even know how to explain this song. I'm a pimp in my own fucking mind. The title says it all. Yeah, it's one of them. I don't even know how to explain this song. I'm a pimp in my own fucking rhyme. The title says it all. Yeah, it says it all, man. In my own rhyme. Yes, sir.

Have y'all ever really pimped in your rhyme? Well, that's why MJ uses the term pimp type. Okay. People think it's tight, T-I-G-H-T, but it's T-Y-P-E. Because it's not actually pimping. It's a type of pimping. It's a type of pimping. It's a mentality.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the type of pimp I am, mentality. I can't survive no pimp shit. Okay. Yeah. I haven't told y'all. You told them. Tell them.

Bishop Don Juan tells me, yo, hey, man, I want to give you the Player of the Year Award. So I'm like, all right, cool. So I go. For two days, I thought I was a pimp. Oh, definitely. So I had the silk shit on. I had the cup. And then I went to a girl. I was like, hey, you got to choose up. She was like, I thought I was a pimp. Oh, definitely. So I had the silk shit on, I had the cup. Definitely.

And then I went to a girl, I was like, hey, you gotta choose up. She was like, I choose, I choose you. And I was like, oh, shit. I ain't know what to do. I literally didn't know what to do. That's the whole world. I was like, she started putting her head down, and she wouldn't make eye contact

with other people. I was like, I'm not ready for this shit. Yeah, you open up a real can of worms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely been in that world, but, you know, pimping per se. But definitely in that world. Space-age pimping. Definitely. What is space-age pimping?

It's a frame of mind. Yeah, it's a frame of mind, man. Because most people are rewinding. It's staying ahead. Space Age sounds like y'all fast forwarding. It's staying ahead. Yeah, definitely. That's all it is.

And then it's just a saying, man. Like, shout out that boy Reggie B, man. Reggie B. That nigga used to say. Space Age Pimping. Y'all boy don't know nothing about that space. You know, and that's where we got it from space. He used to say that all the time.

Nigga, you don't know nothing about this space. We've made a song. What's his name? Reggie B. Yeah. He didn't smoke crack before, right?

Not that I know. You on this crack. No, I understand. Reggie B was actually the, uh, he was the owner. He, he, the one that No, I'm just saying. Reggie B was actually the, he was the owner. He the one that got OTS records.

OTS records. After Fat Tony died. Okay. Because, you know, the person that made up Wangsta and the person that made up Superthug was both a crackhead. Oh.

Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Wangsta is a queen's rich word and and we just wow he's just chasing crackheads crackheads like y'all niggas ain't even y'all niggas ain't even gangsters we should never catch him it's like y'all niggas just wankers everybody's like

that's kind of hard and then um there was another dude we tried to stab. Allegedly. Allegedly. No, it's not allegedly. It's way past seven years. And he's like, what do y'all think y'all? You think y'all some super thugs?

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You want to get another shot? I feel like you want to get another shot. I feel like it's a shot o'clock. I'm in another shot. I feel like it's a shot o'clock. I'm in your house. I feel like it's a shot o'clock, man. I'm in your house. Oh, you didn't take a bit? He usually takes 1,700 pisses.

Oh, really? She got me loaded over here. Oh, yeah. You got leftover soldiers. Yeah, I got plenty of shit. But let's talk about Don't Flex. Yeah. I don't know.

That was just like a... Oh. That's an organized noise song, too. Produope Flux. Yeah. I don't know. That was just like a... Oh. That's an organized noise song, too. Produced. Yeah. Yeah. Rico Wave? DJ produced it. DJ.

Okay. DJ. So how did this song come about? Put us on. Oh, man. We really just... That was in the batch. We went down there.

We used to... Rico used to have these parties at his house. Pool parties in the batch. We went down there. We used to, Rico used to have these parties at his house. Pool parties in the backyard. That's how we got. The lawn food. Yeah, we used to go to the parties. Is that how Stankonia became? I don't know.

I was fucking with you. Yeah, yeah. That's where, you know, that's where we went to the basement and worked on some music. And that was it, you know. That's where we we went to the basement and uh worked on some music and that was it you know that's where it came from jeez louise man this is so much history man

alright one of my favorite joints and I believe this is uh you guys walked in on this as we was listening to this um

Robbery and I listened to that record and although you're talking about back then It still applies To everything right now That's happening

It was a good story We used to like to write stories Like music Like music movies That was one of our music movies And that was a big Louisiana Like Louisiana we used to go down there like music, like music movies. That was one of our music movies. Like, and that was a big Louisiana. Like, Louisiana, we used to go down there.

When armed robbery was new and we didn't have nothing else. Like, niggas be mad till their song come on. Like, we ain't get no love. Really? Till that song come on, straight up. And then the people go, armed robbery come on, man. Them niggas go, no. Straight up, yeah. Predominantly,

it must have been Stick Up Kids and The Crown. Ain't no telling. Louisiana. Right, right. You know what I'm saying?

But yeah, that was a, we used to like the right movies, straight up. Yeah, I'm going to take me a shot for that.

For arm robbery. Let's go. Okay, now I'm going to go into a couple questions. This is from your comrades. Cheers. First person I'm going to go to. Oh, shit.

I've been getting texts this whole time. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Houston and Memphis always had a really good, strong connection. They were signed to a label out of Houston, Suave House. We in Houston love 8-Ball and MJG. I always wondered if they knew how much they meant to the South. Not just Memphis

because they really put it down for real for real. Oh yeah. Houston was home. Yeah. Who do y'all think that came from? Straight up. A Houston person? Yeah. Houston person. Pace maybe?

It's Paul Wall. Paul Wall. Yep. Paul Wall. Oh, Paul Wall. Yep, Paul Wall. Shout out, Paul Wall. So what do y'all think about that, that question? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were the...

Cousins. We were the new guys, man. You were the first cousins, I guess you could say. First cousins in Houston. We were them niggas from Memphis with curls and gold teeth. When everybody had fades and them niggas had diamonds on their teeth back then. Wow. Yeah, back then.

Yeah, that shit was. And TVs and screens. Yeah, all of that shit. TVs and screens and a headrest in the early 90s. Yeah, they had all that shit back then. How about the spokes on the rims? All that shit. They had that shit in the 90s?

Early 90s. And carrying guns. TVs and everything. All that shit back then. How about the spokes on the rims? All that shit. They had that shit in the 90s? Really 90s. And carrying guns. TVs and everything. But Houston, man, they embraced us, man. Like, that was a great place to live in the 90s. And it fit right with our motto

because that's the home base of NASA. So, you know. That's right. Space age. Y'all ever mess with DJ Screw? Definitely. Yeah?

Yeah. Who's the kid in the hat, son? Now we know who he is. Who's the kid in the hat, son? No, because he's sitting there describing the source cover. I'm sitting there like, wait a minute. That was the source. Yeah.

It was the source. You said XXL. That's the reason why you threw me off. When you said XXL, I'm looking at you like... Oh, so this is when he said that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's the king with the hands, man? He's wearing that right next to him. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Now, let me ask you, had we... No, we was not on a tour in Japan. This is the first time we met. That was... And then we met in Japan after that.

After that. Okay, yeah. Okay, all right, cool. Yeah, yeah. I'm sitting here listening to them describing, like, wait a minute, I was there.

I was there. I just was at XXL. Okay, all right, boom. I'm going to go to another one. Yeah, you got something in between? No, who you got? I got Slim Thug. He said,

what is their favorite albums from y'all catalog? And then in what order? By the way, I don't want y'all to agree on this one. You don't have to. I mean, if you... I always put Coming Out Hard and I don't want y'all to agree on this one. Well, I... You don't have to. I mean, if you... I always put Coming Out Hard on the cost of...

Number one. Yeah. Okay. That's the first child. Well, you know, well, it's not really actual, actual the first child, but... Because there was one before that.

Yeah. On an independent label. Yeah, and that's kind of the real deal to the heart. Yeah. Uh, but the coming out hard,

that's, um, Yeah. That's that baby. Mm. That's the oldest child. And then, now you got to go

through the rest of them. What would be number two if that's number one? On top of the world, maybe. Probably so. On top of the world. Yeah. And then after that,

now, it's a rough time for the third because I'm finna say a thing. A lot of them could fall in the third slot but I'm gonna say you're a legend and maybe and I like I'll go coming out both of y'all pick the coming out hard hopefully i've picked coming out hard number one on top of the world and i liked it yeah okay that was gonna be up in there they're my favorite for sure like i had all

of them them johns yeah oh okay all right now this question i'm not going to tell you who it's coming from I asked about the convertible Lexus on the album cover also their record company was owned by Tony Draper was in Houston but they were from Memphis when they had to move there for a while

how was it different from their hood of Orange Mounds? Can y'all guess who that question was coming from? No. How about you? I have no clue. It's coming from Mr. Trillberger himself. Oh, man.

That makes a nice response, too. First of all, before you answer that question, have you both had trail burgers? Yeah, of course. Definitely. It's definitely what type of,

what type of drugs is in drill trail burgers? I don't know. You can't have one. It's just a regular burger. It ain't super complex. Yeah. It ain't super complex. It ain't complex. It's real good. It got the right amount of everything.

Yes. And it'll make you come back. Yes. And I'm going to say something. And they got a vegan. They got a vegan. That's why I fuck with the vegan. They got a vegan. But I just got word that for this Thanksgiving, I'm not sure if it's just this Thanksgiving or if it's on the permanent menu forever, which I don't think it is. I think he's trying

it out just for this Thanksgiving. They have a turkey burger at Trill Burger. I'm a turkey burger. I don't eat beef or I don't eat pork. I don't eat oxtails. I'm a turkey burger I don't eat beef or I don't eat pork I don't eat oxtails I'm so sorry I eat turkey oxtails it's very fake turkey oxtails turkey oxtails this nigga fuck me up what the fuck is a turkey oxtail

how can you even fake that I went to St. Thomas and they had turkey oxtail. And I've been turned down. Even Jamaicans are looking at me like, oh, wait, I took a lot of that. You see the turkey oxtail. Oh, man.

That nigga say, oh, man. Turkey don't got an ox on it. How do they look? No, that's not the best. How do they make that? It's turkey stew. It's just turkey stew. Turkey with a cow that? It's turkey stew. It's just turkey stew. Yeah, turkey stew.

Turkey butt. There used to be a place in Memphis, Trap Fusion. Trap Fusion. They like make vegan stuff and they used to have some vegan oxtails.

Vegan oxtails. It was dope though. Yeah, I ate them, John. Big up my man, Ross. Yeah, yeah. Them John Wahar. He's a vegan, but he eat shrimp every now and then

He a vegan six days a week He be in Houston donating too Inside joke Inside joke Oh my god inside joke inside joke only Rousey's catching the joke inside alright come on bro I'm good

I got a couple more alright on robbery we talk about that niggas like us niggas like us holding down park avenue yeah every one of them song we had at least about a half a dozen songs that we had done twice twice and that was one of them because, the first time wasn't done right? No, the first time was on the other label.

Oh, the label, okay. OTF, OTS. Yeah, OTF. Before Suave. We created a different version. A different version. But it helped. Why, because they own the original version? Pretty much.

Possibly. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Oh, pretty much. Possibly. OK. Yeah. Let me ask you, this been this resurgence of of old school artists. We gaining their masters. I believe we spoke about it earlier. Luke actually got back his masters. Is that something that you guys are in the game with?

I believe after 30 years, it reverts back to you. Is that something that you guys are exploring? Like, you know, getting back all your masters so, you know, you, you your kids your family owns that is that something you guys exploring definitely yeah definitely and where y'all at with it oh it's uh it's being done okay yeah yeah basically you know it's been in the process for a while so you know but uh because y' the process for a while, so, you know, but... Because y'all passed in 30 years, correct?

On some stuff. On some stuff, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the stuff with Swab House? The first two. Okay. Yeah. But it looks like it's going to revert back. Oh, it's going to revert.

Yeah. Fast. Is that something that you guys are looking forward to? Definitely. Yeah. That shit is, you know, you can't get back the time, but you can get back certain things.

You know what I mean? We can rewind time. Rewind the time what's mine hey oh god damn it man I guess we got a couple more and then we and we taking the picture

yeah nah man relax and take notes was that a record and you said you worked it I worked that record, yeah. And this was when y'all was on Bad Boy. Yeah.

Because that's how easy, because it's not easy to clear a Biggie Smalls sample. I mean, but it's on Bad Boy, so. Yeah, yeah. So that was easy. So it was easy. It was no discrepancies going through that. Okay, cool.

That was a dope record. There might have been a... I think they might have gave us that track. Meaning you didn't have to pay publishing or none of that? Oh, no. Not that, but... Okay. I mean, brought it to the table.

Okay, yeah. Like the beat was already done with the sample in it. Who produced that? Man, don't give me the line. Not D-Dot, right? Was it a bad boy with Dutchie? No, no. It wasn't D-D line. Not D dot right? Was it a bad boy with that thing? No, no, it wasn't.

It wasn't D dot. You sure? It was. I think that was a bad boy with the- Really? Well, no, because Spit Your Game was- Google it, has. Was Swiss Beat.

Spit Your Game was Swiss Beat. I can't remember who this one i know uh project pat on there john project pat is on relax and take notes i love his verse on there i can't remember that hard to find nasty to that oh really nasty beats. Yeah, that's fam. You Googled that or you just freestyled? I don't know, but Haz is Googling in like the oldest Google ever. Already, man. You know you can chat GPT shit.

Shout out DJ Nasty. Didn't he just have a birthday or something? He used to wrestle in Peru. He don't know if he believes. Oh, okay. Already. That's a different Nasty. It's not DJ Nasty?

Oh, really? Oh, Nasty Beats, yeah. Yeah, that's how dope their life is them niggas don't even remember their records niggas produce and Haz is still

googling it they were fucked yeah we done so much man alright so let's move on to the next joint until Haz gets his google together

we started this shit talk about that oh yeah cause you guys really did start this shit. Talk about that. Oh, yeah. Because you guys really did start this shit. Oh, we started it. We were one of the people that started it.

Yeah. Well, we're going to give y'all y'all started it. Great record, though. I love that record. Yeah. Okay. Great record.

And it actually came to fruition. Already, man. You guys really started this shit. Like, I'm not going to lie to you. Like I said it earlier, like i'm not i'm not gonna lie to you like i said it earlier and i'm gonna say it again i'll reiterate it um for the south but i don't want to say for the south i don't want to say just for for memphis i don't want to say just for y'all city or y'all coast or whatever i want to say worldwide because what y'all did is if it wasn't

for y'all and you know it's's a couple of others, but you know, the South broadened. Like we didn't even realize how big the South was until the South got represented. You understand what I'm saying? Like, because you got the East Coast,

you got the West Coast, but the South is a lot bigger. So, you know, I want to big y'all up for that. Thank you. Thank you, man. Yes, yes.

Big up to y'all for having us. Nah, we got y'all. So I got one more, and then we can get up out of here and take some pictures. Okay, throw your hands up. Oh, yeah, that's the... Some of the Organized Noise.

Organized Noise. Yeah, that's with Big and Dre. Yeah, Automatic Clash. First and only record we have with them boys, man. Yeah. Outkast. Yeah. I love how you called them big, Dre.

Already. We don't hang out, but I love them like they're my brothers. Right. So how did that, because, I mean, this is a record that the South, you know, along with you guys and UGK, two of the best groups from the South of all time. Not of that time. Legendary, right south of all time not of that legendary right of all time

so how did that record come about uh y'all with outcast and um oh we were just like mixing it up like we was working with everybody uh with as far as organized noise go at that time right they see low was on pay dues DJ produced on flicks being drag out on that relationship with the dungeon family we did a soul food remix I've lost album good it was on the lost album backyard Backyard, Mississippi and so on. We always been, we was working. Yeah, we was working. Okay. So this is my last question because

I always wondered this at that same source. You said XSL, that's why I didn't catch on earlier, but at that same source interview, you were by yourself. So that was your first time going on a solo

mission? It was like an album. Yeah. So what made you want to do that? Was y'all having like a turmoil between each other? We always did solo stuff. This album came out, what,

six months before that one oh okay no more glory okay yeah you know so we always did solo stuff like always right yeah but um the world took it as it was a better story if we was beefing you know what i'm saying but that's what some people thought yeah yeah but that wasn't the case. Okay. Because I love researching that you guys met in seventh grade and you guys, like, you know what I mean, stuck it out,

do the thick and thin. So I just want to tell y'all, man, face-to-face, man to man, I want to tell y'all, thank y'all for, you know, coming to Jam. I want to tell y'all, this is y'all house.

Whenever y'all want to promote anything, you can promote Portia Yeez Toenails We don't care Already Because this is made for legends This is made for icons

This is made for people Who deserve this platform And you guys not only deserve this platform This is y'all platform This is y'all home You know what I'm saying You ain't got to go You can go to wherever you want to go

You know I know these people painting their toenails and shit like that and painting their fingernails. We don't mind. We don't mind. We don't judge other people. You can count on one hand how many podcasts we on. We don't do this. Yes, I know.

We don't do this. I know. So, I ain't going to lie to you. I want to let y'all go, but I can't gonna lie to you I wanna let y'all go but I can't without one more shot cause MJG just want me to do another shot he text me in my mind and let's take it a picture

and let's take it a picture yo but listen face to face man to man thank y'all man thank y'all so much great chance we love y'all glad to get y'all flowers we gonna get y'all that much. Drink Champs. We love y'all. Glad to get y'all flowers. We're going to get y'all that we want time and everything. Salud.

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