Drink Champs - Episode 440 w/ Xzibit

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the legend himself, Xzibit! Starting the year off right, we welcome back Mr. X to the Z! A DC Alumni it’s always a great time when Xzibit sits down with the Champs!Xzibit shares stories of his come up in the music industry and how working the underground circuit led him to his success.X to the Z shares stories of potentially bringing back his legendary show “Pimp My Ride”, working on new music w/ the release of his upcoming album “KINGMAKER” that features production by Dr. Dre and signing a new record deal w/ Conor McGregor’s label “Greenback Records”.Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise for Xzibit!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: 🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We started this show, this podcast, we said we wanted to interview people that are legends, people that have paved the way. This man has arguably had one of the best hip-hop videos of all time. I went and I researched it myself. I thought that Busta and Missy changed the video scene

and I really realized that it wasn't them. It was this motherfucker. And not only that, there's something about the West that's right now happening. I mean, the OGs, you know what I mean? The youngins, the middle people.

This guy's a lyricist, a lyricist. Man, I've been listening to his music for all these days. And one thing I know two things for certain, he is an alcoholic. On every one of his songs, he's talking about

a fifth of something. This motherfucker is a real deal. He's an icon. He's a legend. Tycoon. Our friend. He's a friend of the show.

Alumni of the show. When it comes to lyrics, that's what's great about this man. This man can make a record that go to the globals and he can make an underground, underground people respect him. He is motherfucking one of the illest

lyricists, one of the illest people, one of the illest legends in this game. I'm proud to have him on this goddamn show. Motherfucking X and Z, nigga! Man, that's a hell of an intro. Thank you, man. You know what's so good about you? Like, we got to recently, hopefully the interview is out by then,

but we got to recently interview Dre and Snoop. Which he was there for. Before I recognized you at the front row, one thing that I noticed is you have a trait that I have. It's no matter how much that we love this game, it doesn't take away from you being fans of other people. Correct. And I was seeing you.

You had your phone up. I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, that's exactly how I am. Just because Busta or Nas or somebody's my friend doesn't take away from me being a fan. And I love seeing you there. Absolutely, man. Listen, before I was an artist, I was a fan. I was a consumer.

I would go and buy CDs. I would go listen to it. I would be excited about a release date. You know what I'm saying? I'd be excited about my favorite artist coming out. And so now fast forward to be able to consider these people my peers you know what I'm saying to be able to you know like really rock with them and they rock with me and you know it's just a surreal feeling so yeah you know that you guys killed that interview you know what I'm saying

so when I was there man and and just seeing them two together. Yeah, that's amazing. You know what the funny part about that is? It reminded me of me and Capone a little bit. Because no matter how much me and Capone will be beefing or whatever, as soon as we get together in the same room, we just start laughing. Like when Snoop said, I left the studio because Drake came to the studio. I was like, you know you're the only person in the world that would say that? Like, I left the studio because Dre came to the studio. I was like, you know you're the only person in the world that would say that? Like, I left the studio because Dre came to the studio?

Well, I understand that. Okay. I don't understand that. Can you explain that? Okay, okay, okay. So. Is Dre really like that with y'all in the studio? No.

Well, okay, so listen, listen. Let me put this the correct way. Dre is a master at his craft. And he expects a certain level of perfection, if you understand what that means. And we call him the guillotine because, yeah, yeah, because. Ain't that the shit that you cut your head off? Oh, my God. Why do you have to hold it back? We call him the guillotine because there's levels to it.

You know what I'm saying? When he like you, when he like you and he's working with you, then he'll just be like, I don't believe you. You know what I'm saying? You can do better than that. Like, he'll say stuff like that, which is kind of like a punch in the gut anyway. But I've seen him, like, turn the music down, and I've seen him get up and leave the room when somebody is, like, not performing the way he wants to.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So I understand like he says he don't like everything. He don't like nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like he likes absolutely nothing. Right. So I understood what Snoop said that yo I just want to leave the room. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't want him to come in there

and say that he didn't like it. That he didn't go in there and just start being a guillotine and start telling niggas he don't like it. That he had to go in there and just start being a guillotine and start telling niggas he don't like none of it. But it's dope, though. It's dope. Because, you know, the one thing that I

listen, me being a vocalist, nothing that comes out of that camp. You guys always sound so clear. But is it a sacrifice for that like like because because you got to do it 15 million times no i mean once you understand what he's looking for did you kind of go there already okay you know what i'm saying okay everybody comes in everybody kind of designs their style and and their lyrics and all that stuff

before they get in that room. And they tune it to the way they like it. But when you get it in front of Dr. Dre, he tunes it up in different frequencies. He's looking for something else. He don't care about the style and all that. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's part of it. But it's certain frequencies that you got to hit.

And so that's talking about with music, talking about with vocals, talking about with lyric content. All of that stuff has to be at an optimum level. So once you understand that about him, then you start just understanding how to get there. And sometimes he'll go try something different because you don't want to start sounding the same all the time. You know what I'm saying? But that's how it is. But when you rise to that level and you hit those marks, what comes out is a legacy. You know what I'm saying? But that's how it is, you know? But when you rise to that level and you hit those marks, what comes out is a legacy.

You know what I'm saying? Like the longevity of the records, the staying power of those records, there's something about it. But the real question is, how many records do you have with Dre that are in the stash that probably we never would?

I have no idea. Because of how much of a perfectionist he is. I have no idea. You got albums. Yeah, yeah. Well, Dre got a vault. You got albums. Yeah, yeah. He's got a bunch of... Well, Dre got a vault. Dre got a vault, and it's basically like folder after folder after folder after folder of songs that...

Right. Like, everybody in this room would go absolutely apeshit over these songs. But Dre's like, eh, it's cool. You know what I'm saying? It's cool. Like, motherfuckers, you would never think he work with, he's working with him

and he's like, it's like, why don't you put these, like, you got like 17 albums, 20 albums. He's like, eh, it's cool. You know what I'm saying?

And he don't do shit for money. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's got to feel it. He got to believe it. He got to feel it. You know what I'm saying? And that's when those records come out,

you know? So, let's take it to the beginning. Yeah. Was it you started on Loud at first? Mm-hmm. Was it Loud? No, Loud was the first label.

Loud Records was the first label I was on. Okay. So how did you and Steve Rifkin hook up? Steve Rifkin signed the Alcoholics. Alcoholics were already on the label. There was the East Coast and the West Coast office. The Alcoholics were signed out of the West Coast office. And so I was rolling around with King T, the Alcoholics,

and kind of like just getting my feet wet as an artist at that time. And so, Steve, I would always be in the office, and I'll be working on stuff in LA. But you're a guest of the alcoholics. Right, they're already signed. They already got their deal. They're already signed.

At the time, Make Room and King T's Triflin album was out. Right. And so, that's who I was running with. And so Steve Rifkin came to Prince's club, Glam Slam. Prince had a Glam Slam everywhere, man. Yeah. Prince had a club in LA. I like how Nosh and I just said it.

Just came to Prince. Y'all just chilling in Prince's club? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was Prince there? No, he was not there. Prince ain't hanging out with us. No, but it was dope because he came and was like, we was about to go on stage. And he was like, hey, I want to sign you.

Because I had never made a demo. Steve was telling you this? Yeah. Yeah, Steve had long hair at this time. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, yo, I want to sign you.

Come to the office tomorrow. Wow. At the time, they don't have Wu-Tang yet. Yeah, Wu-Tang is on. They had Wu-Tang. And Bob Deep like, yo, I want to sign you. Come to the office tomorrow. Wow. At the time, they don't have Wu-Tang yet. Yeah, Wu-Tang is on. They had Wu-Tang. And Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep, too. No Big Pump.

No Big Pump yet. Okay, 3-6, I think, was already there? No, not yet. Not yet. So the OB West Coast group. It was like Cellar Dwellers was on there. And they were doing a lot of promotion, too. It was like a promo, like a street team.

SRC, the promotion. Yeah, exactly. SRC was just getting launched at that time as well yeah so that's how we that's how we linked up so okay now something that me and efn always argue about right um the independent label thing right but not even that before we go to. Was it hard for you navigating being a West Coast artist on a predominantly East Coast... You motherfucking right.

It was fucking hard. Hey, man, the East Coast niggas hated us. Yo, don't say that. Don't make us kick. I know. The East Coast niggas was not feeling it. Let's just call it how it was. Wait, so you're saying they wasn't feeling West Coast or they wasn't feeling anything that wasn't from the East Coast niggas was not feeling it Like let's just call it how it was Wait so you saying they wasn't feeling West Coast

Or they wasn't feeling anything that wasn't from the East Coast That wasn't from Anything from California niggas was like You know what I'm saying But listen to be fair The artist was fucking with us It was the staff It was the people

That's my opinion That's my opinion. That's my thing. I always felt the West Coast people felt the love from us. We would go to New York and we would go out. Look, I remember

taking a train to Master A's house. You know what I'm saying? And the first time I fucking got to New York, he was like, you going to take the train by yourself?

Yeah, nigga, how else am I going to get there? You know what I'm saying? So I remember drinking 40s on the stoop, chilling outside, going to niggas' blocks. You know what I'm saying? That was love. When we getting them buildings, it became like a friendly competition.

Right. Like everything from the East Coast office would get all the big budgets and all that stuff, and they would give us the scraps and leftovers. So we was making miracles out of absolutely nothing. You know what I'm saying? And we was just really banging on the fact that, like, people were feeling the music. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I first came out,

I didn't sound like a traditional West Coast artist. No, you were very lyrical. Right, people thought I was from New York. Yes, I did. You know what I'm saying? I was one of them. I claimed you. I believe I claimed you for, like, six months.

But that was that L.A. underground scene that was happening. Grass cash. Grass cash. It was a crew, everybody, you guys. And for lack of a better term, at that time, we didn't really understand that there's lyricists just as much as on the East Coast as even more because, you know, the forefront people were in W.A. Right.

And other than Ice Cube and MC Ren, it wasn't really like, you know, the, the, the lyrical thing, but go ahead. But I think, I think what was happening was we had to find our own identity.

There was, it was after the, right after the Death Row, G Funk era. And we had to find our own identity, meaning that the, the, my graduating class,

like it was Crooked Eye. Right. It was me, Raz. It was Saphir. Right. Rest in peace, man uh rest in peace man and uh and uh you know it was it was like a club called unity where all of us were going like you

know that's what we first saw wu-tang perform like bigger b um was uh a and r my a and r at loud wow and he did a club called unity and so he had the plug for every artist in all the offices. He would bring them out there to do shows. So then it became a theme like, OK, so I want to open up at Unity. And that's where all of all of us used to like cut our teeth and get in front of crowds and be able to build our audience. That's where it started. So so let me ask you, I'm bouncing around a little bit. It's been known, right? It's been known that lyricists, people that's really, really, really lyricists, right? They get the short ends of the stick. But then at some point, it was like Dr. Dre started messing with lyricists like you, you know, so on and so forth.

Yeah, Marshall, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, other than that, because I believe they used to call it backpack, right? Yeah, backpack rap. Backpack rap, right? Yeah. So when did it transition from going, because we had MC Search on here the other day, right? And I'm bugging off of MC Search because he's like, yeah, we didn't want to take commercials. And I was like, y'all generation fucked up.

Like, why do you want extra money? But back then, it was frowned upon. Yeah, it was considered selling out. So when was it that backpack hip-hop started to merge with commercial hip-hop, or not commercial hip-hop, global hip-hop, top 40 hip-hop, and then they made this marriage? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you were very much benefited off of your affiliation with that. But when did that happen?

I think once corporate America started putting millions and millions of dollars into hip-hop, it wasn't frowned upon anymore because I think when you look at, like, MC Hammer, nobody gives MC Hammer the flowers he deserves. And if you think about it, he got a lot of shit for doing exactly what everybody's doing now. Right now. You know what I'm saying? And so he was ahead of his time in that aspect as a businessman. Right. But once corporate America started putting a lot of money into it, I think that became the focus. It used to be about, okay, who got style, who got craft, who got skill? Then it was like, okay, who got millions, who got cars, who got houses. You know what I'm saying?

And then once that started kind of merging and becoming, you know, like, dirty in the waters a little bit, I think people started, you know, I don't have to have skill. As long as I'm successful and I have money, I don't have to have money. Everybody.

The backpack thing didn't come to, like, the super underground, the raucous era where they started to really label people backpackers. You said everybody was a lyricist? I don't want to say everybody was a lyricist. That was the aspiration. Everyone had lyrics. How about this? No, everybody, no.

The deals were made with whoever was the illest lyricist. Jay, Big, come on, Big L, everybody. You got to look at Eazy-E. Eazy-E wasn't considered A lyricist Busy, Bismarck-y No, not everybody But I'm saying Most artists

Most MCs Wanted to be lyricists Karis One Like it was from the beginning The backpack thing To attach that to lyricism Started with the ruckus Underground

That underground I'm gonna tell you some real shit This is real shit for me This is my own shit Yeah When my first album The War Report Is lyrical,

very cool, all that shit. No bitches came to my conference, man. No women came to my conference. But it got you here today. I'm not sure about that, sir. It did. It did.

It did. Listen, listen. I'm just being honest. Like, you know. Look, man. Let me tell you something. I used to do shows in Germany. Yeah.

And all the women will come and their sneakers will be the worst sneakers I've ever seen. Dirty as a motherfucker. They look like they was just stomping. Like somebody just stomped their sneakers out, and they said, go ahead, go outside. Like, that's hip. That's underground hip hop. Keep it real. But I tell you what.

Nori, I tell you what, man. When you put up that N-O-R-E album. Yeah, that's what I went commercial. I left the hook. Work, work, work, work. album. That's when I went commercial. I left the hook. I was in commercial, yeah. But in my mind, I was gone. Nigga, them records came on like motherfucking

planets. Let's tell these people because we interview comedians sometimes. Comedians talk about the chitlin' circuit. When you coming up, a lot of people don't understand about that underground circuit where you got to go perform at sobs for the rest for all the clubs all over the world and these guys are they are there eight o'clock yeah yeah and i never i never uh i was never a radio guy i was never the top 40 guy i was never i was never the

okay uh he's billboard and all that. My bread and butter came from doing the underground circuit and whooping ass on the shows. You know what I'm saying? Live performances, one of the big things in our camp is you must sound

on stage like you do on record. If you up there yelling and screaming and it just sounds like you you just yelling over the track or something I hate now is like when I see artists perform with the vocals on it. I can see it in your face.

Yeah, yeah. It can't. You look disgusted. I like that. It's just something about... They cheating. No, it's not even cheating. It's lazy.

It's lazy. It's lazy. Yeah, it's lazy. It's lazy and you can tell that they don't take pride in their work. They cheating. Yeah, no, it's not even cheating. It's lazy. It's lazy. It's lazy. Yeah, it's lazy. It's lazy and you can tell that they don't take pride in their work. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're not rehearsing. You're not giving a fuck about this. You don't even care about this. Is that the reason why we had TV tracks back in the days? Remember the TV tracks?

Correct, yeah. Because those just had the ad-libs. Ad-libs and the hook. And the hook. Especially if it's a singing hook. You know what I'm saying?

You want to be able to give that experience to the audience. But then vocals that you, you are on stage, so you have to produce those vocals. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's the way it is. Let me ask you, what's the best tour you ever been on? Up in Smoke. I knew you was going to say that.

I bet on myself that you would say that. Yes, I'm back. Yes. Yes. And listen, that necessarily wasn't the biggest or longest tour I've been on. It was only y'all together. Yeah, what it represented at the time to the culture and what it felt like. Right.

You know, being on the stage with those guys, like I said before, that I had been, like, truly a fan of. You know what I'm saying? And truly, like like inspired by. To be able to get up on that stage and be considered one of them and then be able to, you know, go through that whole process and then be able to come out with an album that I, you know, in a million years would have never thought I could come out with, you know? And just have that experience.

Up In Smoke was like the launch pad. That shit looked mad fun, bro. Yeah, it was crazy. I was watching from the tv like man like i ain't gonna and y'all went everywhere too right no no no it was just the united states just the united states oh wow yeah i don't think dre's ever done like a european tour wow yeah yeah yeah imagine that that'd be crazy so'm going to switch it up a little bit. Okay. Because I've realized that you got one of the best hip-hop shout-outs in the world, but it's a little bit bad.

I'm going to tell you why. Okay. It zippers into that club, rolling all that weed up. Now everybody sees you. You got to be rolling that weed. Absolutely. That's the one thing about this job. Whenever I come out,

someone will see me and be like, and I'm like, what the fuck is this? And they don't give a fuck. Do people always come up to you and be like, let's smoke one? Sometimes, but usually I'm smoking already. In the airport? Yeah, you know.

Usually I'm smoking already, so they don't got to really say that. Yeah, they better not. So, did that ever burden you? No, man. I thought it was dope, man, because when 50 shouted me out, I didn't know it until, you know, like a couple days before it actually came out. Oh, so you heard it at the same time that people heard it? Correct.

Okay, wow. Yeah, so that was dope, man. And, you know, to be name-checked on one of the biggest songs ever is not a bad thing. Right, right. And to be name-checked on one of the biggest songs ever, it's not a bad thing. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. That changed the trajectory of the landscape of that whole generation because this is the first time you had an East Coast guy rhyming on a straight West Coast beat.

There's no way in the club it could be described as an East Coast beat or a South beat. You know that's a West Coast beat. No, but the firm was first. The firm was first. That's right. I made Drake take his... East Coast beat or South beat. You know that's a West Coast beat. No, but the firm was first. The firm was first. That's why. I made Drake take his... The firm was first, man.

Let me tell you something. When Rasta sent me the clip, I don't know what time you sent the clip. You sent the clip to a group chat, right? And I fell asleep. So I was so happy. I woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning and I sent it to Nas.

I said, I finally got Dre to say this. He shouldn't have said the firm flop. He was like, yes! I mean, in my mind, because he just said yes. No, I'm just saying he said yes. But in my mind, he said it like, yes! Because that album, that firm album,

that's the first time you write. I got to see East Coasters and West. And you got to remember, that album album, that's the first time you write. I got to see East Coasters and West, and you got to remember that album came out so dope because God bless it was after Big and Tupac. You know what I'm saying? So everybody, the smoke was in the air and everybody was trying to put it back together. So that album, single-handedly.

Didn't Dre do that one joint that had Karras and it was the East West Coast one? Right when he launched Aftermath he did a joint. It might have been on that Aftermath Presents album. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. I think so. I think that's when you start to see him like dabble in something

having like KRS-One and I forget a couple other, who? Be Real? Be Real. What you drink? I'm going to drink a Spritz. I'll take some 42 man. Okay, 42. Okay, god damn it. God damn, 42. Let me tell you something.

We've been doing this for years. My favorite thing to do is to check the artist's drink order. Whenever I see somebody order two different things, you order gin, and then later I say, this thing is very good. Iron good. Yes, yes, yes.

So let's talk about the alcoholics and you guys' relationship in the beginning. So how did y'all link up? I linked up with a- You up in school? No. There was a group, there was a group of producers called 360.

James Broadway was the producer for King T. And so I was in the same area. I got introduced to Broadway through a guy named Top. Top was actually going to act as a manager. He was managing Volume 10 and a couple other guys. And he was like,

yo, I want to work with you. So he took me to Broadway. Broadway introduced me to King T. King T introduced me to the Alcoholics. Wow. And then how did y'all develop that relationship? I was just, those were the first cats that, I was off the street. Were they named

Alcoholics at the time? Yes. Okay, wow. Even back then? Yeah, King T named them, right? King T created the group. And so, that's when I got introduced to them. They was the first artists that I knew that had real record deals. Right. You know, because I was just off the block at that time and so um when I started hanging out with

them I was like learning how to write 16s learning how to write you know I was just in the lab kind of like honing my craft with them and so from there I you know I would just go everywhere with them and I would do I would do shit like I would go to the swap meet and make my own alcoholic t-shirts if we had a show. And then I would make gas mask bongs. I used to get a bong. Before they started making them, I would get like shit and attach the hose to the gas mask and then take hits on stage. And fucking it was crazy.

Yeah. We were doing a lot. That's why because King T was already a pioneer in OG at that time. So it must have been, like, crazy to roll with him. So it was like everybody has an OG, and King T is ours. You know what I'm saying? And I still kick it with King T very closely to this day. He's one of my closest friends.

And, you know, I got a lot of respect for what he's done for me. Right. And he gave me my first shot king t did right yeah let me ask you because listening um we was this morning working out listening um to your music and all of us like secretly tried to quit walk on the low right it's just like it just jumps out of you right like it's just like you just can't help it right but i feel like the white people that says nigga like when no one's around. Like I feel like thank God because I know I'm not doing it right.

Like I know I'm not doing it right. So I look around and say, yeah, it can look a lot like river dancing. I know I'm not doing that. Me? One million percent sure. I know I'm not doing it right. But I believe I asked Dre and Snoop this, and I believe the answer was it was the boogie dance. But what is it about that West Coast sound that just makes you just want to smack your motherfucking sneakers and just get low? It's built out of that.

I'm sorry, I love this shit. I just can't do it. I just can't do it. It's strictly built out of tradition, man. It's like these things that come from our neighborhoods, your neighborhoods. I mean, like, these are things that are done from, like, a real genuine roots-based, culture-based, you know, initiative. And so, you know, crip walking is definitely, and blood walking is definitely from a fucking neighborhood. Like, that's it.

That is, you know, that wasn't always, it's not a dance. It's like, if you don't know who I am, this is what's happening, you know what I'm saying? They are actually spelling something, right? Yes, a lot of people do, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, it evolves, you know, from the time, like, when you see

what Dub C was doing on the Smoke Tour video, which is infamous, and then it's just changed as, you know, as the kids grow up Dub C was doing on the Oven Smoke Tour video, which is infamous. And then it's just changed as, you know, as the kids grow up and they put their own little twist on it. So now there's a whole lot of, you know, feet going out and sideways. And you know what I'm saying? The elbows is moving a little differently. Right.

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subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. So, X, I got to ask you. Okay. I'm going to ask you to be as freely as you can. Mm-hmm. When this Drake and Kendrick thing first started, Drake is the biggest artist in the world. I believe Kendrick took a shot first, right?

I believe. Motherfuck the big three. Homie, this is not big, this is just big me. But Kendrick has been known for this. No, but they've been going back and forth. No, no, no, but remember, Kendrick went at the whole New York at one point. He was like, I'm Frank White. I'm the king of New York, right?

Like, caused this whole controversy. But this time, this is something kind of really, really, really, really different, right? Did you understand what Kendrick was doing from the beginning, or this was something that after you saw it, you was like, I get it. Well, I mean, look, dude, you have to take a step back first because you don't know what's happening behind the scenes. There's always something happening behind the scenes that we're not aware of. Right. It spilled over into something else.

But here's what I will say about that. I think Kendrick Lamar is a very special individual. I think he is a deep thinker. I think he is a big part of what is unifying

and energizing the West Coast right now. And I think he was severely underestimated. And when you look at the parable of David and Goliath and you see somebody who's very dismissive or very arrogant or very feeling like, because Drake wasn't talking the way he's talking now

at the beginning, but when Kendrick wasn't saying nothing, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, you know, because Drake wasn't talking the way he's talking now at the beginning, but when Kendrick wasn't saying nothing. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, you know, it was very funny. It was very poking holes. And he did the Tupac thing. Drop it, give me 50. Yeah, yeah.

Doing the Tupac AI thing. Right. You know, you talk about feeling disrespect. I mean, the whole coast, we love Tupac. Right. You know what I'm saying? The world loves Tupac. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, God. You know what? I've never asked thatac. Right. You know what I'm saying? The world love Tupac. You know what I'm saying? Oh, God. You know what? I've never asked that question. So when Drake sampled, I want to say sampled or AI'd it, right? AI'd it. AI'd it. So Kendrick's line was, you think the coast is going to let you disrespect Pac, nigga? I think that Oakland show might be your last stop, nigga.

You telling me that that's how people really took it? Yeah. He took some liberties with that. And look, dude, I got no dog in this fight. Yeah, I know. None of us do. Yeah, but the West Coast is where I'm at, and that's what's up. You know what I'm saying?

And so Kendrick is definitely ruling the pack. You know what I'm saying? And he's setting the tone. And so, you know, I just think that what we're seeing now is... My bad. Yeah, yeah. I ain't drinking a week. Hold on, hold on.

What we're seeing now is the repercussions of stepping on somebody that you shouldn't have stepped to. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're not even in the same class.

You know, in my opinion, Drake should have just put out a fucking massive hit for the women and went on about his business you know what I'm saying oh you saying like yeah yeah after after the first shot you know but but pride is a motherfucker ego is a motherfucker he kept going I remember at one point I was coming downstairs um smoke weed and it was like another Drake records drop and I was like okay and I felt at that at that time, I felt Drake was being the bully.

This was before Kendrick had dropped anything. I think a lot of people forget that time. Remember when he just kept dropping? Yeah, I mean, they both did that back and forth. I was downstairs on my Chrysler. The Chrysler 300 looked like a motherfucking Bentley until a real Bentley rolled up. You know what I'm saying? You see that motherfucker.

I'm not going to lie. I knew Kendrick was ill. I knew Kendrick was ill. I knew Kendrick was the man. I knew Kendrick would hold it down. I didn't know Kendrick. I didn't know. You didn't know

Kendrick was a scientist. I did not know. A master chess player. Yeah, yeah. He's playing chess. I knew. No, no, no. Because I'm on hip hop.

Let me not downgrade myself like that. I just didn't know to the extent that he went. Because I'm going to be honest. This new album, what is it? NHL? GNX, yeah. GNX.

I said NHL. I thought you were talking about National Hockey. Grand National. Yeah, Grand National X. It's a car. When I first heard it, I was like, damn, man. It doesn't seem like he's having fun, right? Oh, yeah.

Oh, no, this is absolutely fun. Are you fucking serious? It was an L.A. guy there. It was an L.A. guy there, Big Up Dion. And Dion was like, nah, man, we just have fun a little bit different from y'all. And I was like, all right, cool. And I listened to it the next day, and I understood. It literally took somebody

from los angeles why didn't you think he was having because i just felt like he was dealing with survivors of more so i didn't feel like he was like enjoying the moment i had to hear it again i had to hear it again when i heard it the second and third time then i was like oh okay he's enjoying the moment but he's enjoying it in his way yeah i mean you look i don't hang around with kendrick i'm not even gonna claim to be in his circle. His circle is tight. I know my family works with him. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's really dope to see him have his own lane. You know what I'm saying? And do it the way he's doing it. Right. But still have the full backing of everybody that came before him. You know what I'm saying? That's fucking dope. And he's inclusive right well you see some cats that's young and they come up and they just dismiss everybody they gonna fuck they fuck the fuck that nigga

fuck him fuck everybody it's me and all this shit and i think that's what we saw you know what i'm saying like like drake drake was you, damn near number one for a decade, if not more. You know what I'm saying? And he felt untouchable. So it's very dope to see, you know, Kendrick coming to his own. And I'm pretty sure he was pushed in a lot of ways from that situation. But to see what he turned into and to see what he represents and what he means to us on the coast,

it's fantastic. It's dope. You know what the crazy shit is? I'm bouncing around, but I'm going to make it make sense. But what about favorite shows on TV? It's a show called The Chi, right? Only thing that's missing in The Chi

is on my homegirl Lena With. I always tell her, I'm like, yo, man, you got the only city in Chicago without loading Latinos, right? And I'm like, yo, man, you got the only city of Chicago without loading Latinos, right? And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm a fucking Latino. Like, I can't just look at Chicago without noticing Latinos.

One thing about me being on the West Coast, and obviously I've been going to the West Coast since 1997. When I would go to Snoop shows or your show, I wouldn't see, no, your show is different. Okay. I mean, let me just put it. Daz and Cor your show I wouldn't see No your show is different Okay

Let me just put Daz and Corrupt I wouldn't see a lot of Latinos You know what changed it Was Nipsey Hussle Yeah Nipsey Hussle I went to a Nipsey Hussle

I snuck into I think I told you this Oh I said it on the show I went to a Nipsey Hussle Concert I didn't hit him I wanted to pay to get in I wanted to look

I wanted to see how this West Coast shit feel Like you know what I'm saying Without being Nori right And it was the first time I synced But I didn't know. I wanted to see how this West Coast shit feel. You know what I'm saying? Without being Nori, right? And it was the first time I synced, but I didn't know what I was seeing. Snoop explained to me that you saw that again on stage. I didn't know that Kendrick brought all of these gangs together. Like, how remarkable is that?

That was the tipping point. Right. When he did that pop-out concert, and Dre went out there, and all the neighborhoods came out there, and he stayed on stage. Let me cut to that, because we want you to explain this in its entirety, in depth. Us on the East Coast, we look and thinking these are artists. Although they might be artists, but we're not understanding that they represent different gangs and different territories there were some artists but there were some very important people

to the street up there too they usually don't really be standing next to each other and I think it just really it really set the tone for what's coming next so everybody saw that shit and was like, oh, we ain't had this before in the West.

That's what I'm trying to say. We ain't had this before. Maybe slightly during the peace treaty. No, it'd be pieces. It'd be pieces of the West coming together. Still excluding some of these parts because of past things that happened or just like that's just how things have been.

But when that happened, a lot of shit got pushed to the side and was like, okay, you know what? Let's unite around this W. Let's unite around this genius that is doing this phenomenal work. Right. And, you know, look, we can be internally, but to the rest of the world, unified. Like, we haven't had that. You know what I'm saying? I love that about y'all.

Ice-T brought that up to me. Ice-T said, listen. He said, you know us West Coast people got beef because you in the industry, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. He's like, if you think about it, our beefs be between us.

And I was so mad at Ice-T because he was right. I was like, word. Like, if they beefing, if you in the industry. Like the average person you're sitting with. Like the average person. Like that California love, for lack of a better term, is real.

Yeah, handle that shit. It's just like when your parents used to say, don't act crazy in front of company. You know what I'm saying? That's very true. That's just what it is. It's very true. It's like sometimes that shit spill over into the street. But for the most part, like especially now, Cat's got a different agenda.

Right. We want to see the W go. You know what I'm saying? And that's why you see Q coming. That's why you see Snoop Dogg coming. That's why I'm coming. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Make some noise for that. Make some noise for that. X for the motherfucking G. Yeah. And what's also dope, I think that I don't think people Are mentioning as much About Kendrick His movement He brought North Cali Into the fold

It's not just LA It's all of California What are you saying about North Cali Like the Bay Area Those artists But that's considered the North Yeah

I thought the Bay Area Was considered the South No No My bad I ain't geographically Put together y'all Just deal with me

Just deal with me I've held geographics What class is that Geographics Yeah I ain't going to that yet, y'all. Just deal with me. Just deal with me. I've held geographics. What class is that? Geographics? Yeah, I ain't going to that yet. Yeah, yeah. No, but you're absolutely correct. Even with the sound.

Like, in the album, there's a song that's like, to me, that's the sonic. That's the Bay Area right there. But that's all West Coast. When people say West Coast, they just think of L.A. Yes, Compton. Or they think of South Central, Compton. You know what I'm saying?

Long Beach. Like, that's not just, the coast goes all the way up to Canada. So when you look at, when you look to, when you look at, you know, the Bay and what they represent, like, and then it's always been separate there too. Yeah. Southern California, Northern California, two different planets. Right. But now it's this thing like. The W.

Everybody. Right. Yeah, the W. Everybody. Everybody. sustain like the w everybody right yeah the w everybody and and and it feels dope to be able to see you know e40 do the opening for the pop-up concert and it's like the inclusion of it it just feels so we just we feeling strong right now because i felt like you know i'm sorry to bounce a lot of place but like um like new york we've always had long island and we've always had

yonkers and jersey which technically isn't New York but it is New York you understand what I'm saying so it felt like that moment for y'all like it was like every part of of the coast and not only that I mean I was about to say

the state but not only that y'all brought the coast together that's what's crazy you know what's crazy about West Coast culture if you actually pay attention you guys don't got to promote to the South or the East at all crazy you know what's crazy about west coast culture if you actually pay attention yeah

you guys don't got to promote to the south or the east at all you guys could just promote in the west and you'll be good well here's the thing sacramento the number remember when according to the numbers remember when hip-hop was super regional and you look at the no limit uh i'm gonna say and you look at uh and you look at Cash Money. And then even here, you know, in Miami, you look at the sound that was coming out of here. That graduated from DJ Magic Mike into, you know, Luke and 2 Live Crew. Into Poison Clan, into all these other things that was coming. They had their own sound sound so it was regional so once the west coast you know

um had their sound and and it didn't it we we didn't feel like we needed to copy anyone right so when the south rose and you know after after outcast said the south got something to say and then absolutely they came and dominated everything in the industry and they had their sound yeah we've been fucked up ever since he said that. Fuck you, R.J. Towers. It's Yacht Ball. No, I think it's dope because it gave us time to kind of like see where things needed to go.

And I just like the fact that we're not changing our sound. We just doing it at a different pace you know what i'm saying so let me let me let me let me ask you there was three different eras of west coast rain right that literally had me scared one literally one when i heard straight out of compton i always say this i always thought straight out of compton was a jail i don't know why i don't know i was yeah because the way they were describing it, Straight Outta Compton, I'm like, I don't want to get locked up there, right?

I was obviously, I was naive. We talked during that. We both talked about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but then it was that death row everywhere. All y'all just, you know, that up in smoke tour. And now it seems like it's the resurgence. But the good thing about it is,

it's not just the young generation. It's not just the resurgence. But the good thing about it is, it's not just the young generation. It's not just the middle generation. It's for Dre Snoop, for you to be dropping, how good does that feel? And we know what's dope about you, Dre, and Snoop, is y'all can actually cater to y'all own audience.

Yeah. Y'all don't got to sell to these new motherfuckers at all. But how good does this feel though? It feels really good to be able to be dropping music in 2024, 2025 and not compromise. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Like I see what's going on out there. I see what's, I see, I try to, you know, keep my ear to the street.

A lot of that shit I can't listen to. Right. You know what I'm saying? Simply because I'm a professional. I want to hear people be professional. I don't like hearing shit out of the pocket. I don't like hearing rappers not on beat. I don't like hearing lazy ass, nothing ass rhymes.

I want to know something. You know what I'm saying? I want to hear something. You listen to Sexy Red? I've seen something. You know what I'm saying? I want to hear something. You listen to Sexy Red? I've seen her. You know what I'm saying? And look, from where she started

to where she is now, it's pretty fucking amazing. Right, nah. But you know what I'm saying? But I'm not going to take nothing away from her. Nah, I don't take nothing away from you. It's just not my style.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I see everybody, you know, doing the pussy hole brown and all the whatever. Pussy hole brown. Pussy hole brown. Pussy hole brown. Yeah, yeah.

It's offensive. Yeah, yeah. It's offensive. I ain't going to lie. Where was we at? Where the fuck was we at? Yeah, but I'm not going to take that from her book, but I just prefer something else.

You know what I'm saying? And so, like I said, it goes back to what we're doing now. When we go in. And I remember where we was at. Yeah, when we go, we're talking about how does it feel now to be dropping music. And, man, it feels fucking great. But I didn't have to compromise. I can come out with what I want to do.

I don't need to compete with what's out right now. I just need to do what I do really well. You know what I'm saying? And I think that once you have that fixture. I think I heard Rick Rubin say that if you start making music for people other than yourself, then you already lost or something to that effect. Well, think about it. I'm sure your first album, just like as mine, you made it for your block. You made it.

I did my first album not knowing, you know, knowing I wanted to be different, but not necessarily knowing how to get there or convey that. You know what I'm saying? On this record, on the Kingmaker record, out of all of my albums. That's a new album? Yeah. Let's make some noise for the new album. Yeah. On the Kingmaker record, I feel like I tell everybody after we listen to it that I follow my voice.

Not the inflection of it, not the use of it, or the tone or the pitch. I found out what I'm supposed to be saying and how I'm supposed to be saying it. Because I'm speaking from a place of power. I'm speaking from a place of endurance. I'm speaking from a place of longevity. Maturity, you know what I mean? Yeah, maturity and growth.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want to talk about the same shit I was talking about on my first three Right. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to talk about the same shit I was talking about on my first three albums. You know what I'm saying? Right. There's a lot of shit that's happened between then and now. Right. And so that's what I'm speaking on, and I'm speaking to it in a place that makes me feel good.

You know what I'm saying? But really quick, listening to the album, what I will tell you is- Damn, I ain't getting to listen to the album. Hearing the music, it sounded like the old you updated I ain't getting to listen to that. Hearing the music, it sounded like the old you updated. That's what I want to hear. I say that as a compliment. You know what I'm saying?

Yes, that's what I want to hear, though. Yeah. I don't want you, I don't want, I mean, I do want a new XX, but I want the old X sounding right now. That's what it sounds like.

And you will not be disappointed. And that's what I'm saying. Like, it took me, I haven't put out a record since 2012. Wow, really? You let my I haven't put out a record since 2012. Wow, really? You let my guy in? The gate is locked. I haven't put a record out since 2012.

And so, now the way this music has come across, like, bro, I feel like everything that's needed to be done for the Xzibit brand has been done on this record. Musically. We got to beat some Dre? Yes.

Okay, goddamn it, let's make some noise for that. Do you play polka? No, I don't. You can't ever play polka. I'm just telling you

because... No. Polka. I thought you said polka. I was like, he doesn't know polka. No, polka,

polka, polka, because every time I know when you about to say something good, I can just hear it. Yeah, yeah. Because every time I know when you're about to say something good, I can just see it. And when you're mad at something, I can see it too. I can't hide this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Do not play poker. Don't ever take up that. They're going to get you. I got some real bucket list moments on this record. Okay. You know, Dre mentioned to you guys that we had just did a song for the album. He's featured on it with Ty Dolla $ign. Why?

Swiss Beats did the track. Okay. With co-production from him. This is a million dollar question, man. This is a million dollar question. What label is this on? It's on Greenback Records. Greenback Records is Conor McGregor's label.

How did that happen? We ain't got no Irish McGregor's label. How did that happen? We ain't got no... How did that happen? How did that connection? You got to take us down that. Yes. Yes. How the fuck...

Check this out. I need to hear this. Okay, so... Do we take a shot? Let's take a shot. Yeah, let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. I'm sorry, man.

I'm sorry. Because, by the way, that is like some dope shit to say. You going to trip out when you hear this shit. I'm going to do the spritz, yeah? Cheers. The ace. The ace. Let's wait for this guy to shot.

Okay, let's go. Okay, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's not a shot. Okay, but go ahead. Let's explain this. Okay, so we are finishing up the record. And shout out to Bobby D Presents. That's my management company.

And we were finishing up the album. We were putting all the finishing touches, bells and whistles. So obviously you paid for all this yourself. Yes, the album, this was not done with the label. So the album was being finished, and then we started talking about, well, how are we going to release this? And I went and looked at it.

I mean, I see what LaRussell's doing. Shout out. Yeah, shout out to LaRussell. I saw, you know, I know Empires. I know all the, you know, Big Up Ghazi. I know we had, you know, and then you have the actual major labels. You know what I'm saying?

Like, we explored every single one and kind of just kind of sat back and was like no what's right so what's right for the the this project that we have who's going to do something correct by what we're doing and so we we were just going through that motion and then i got a call from bobby and he was like hey what do you think about Conor McGregor? I was like, the fighting motherfucker? Okay, cool, cool, cool. And he's like, what do you think about Conor McGregor? I was like, the fighting motherfucker?

He's like, well, he started a label. I was like, fuck out of here. You know what I'm saying? He's not, like, what does he know about music? He's like, well, he's very serious. This is what he is. This is what he wants to do. This is who he has on board.

This is, you know, what his vision is. So I sat back and I took a meeting with him. And then the way they explained the way that they want to do this and the global reach and impact that they have. The record label meaning the record label? Meaning the people that he's brought into to run the record label okay was was pretty intense man and I was like you know what this is something new yeah this is something different this is uh this is something that doesn't come with any level of expectation everything we do is a first you know what I'm

saying so to be and what's really attractive is that I'm the first artist that's going to go through the label. Oh, wow. He has other artists, but you either put him. He signed Bone as well.

Okay, Bone. They signed Bone. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay, I did hear that somewhere. I didn't call him a great guy. But they have, but he has a really deep love

for what we do, but it's not just a hip-hop label. There's a pop act on there. There's some different folks that are coming out. It's not just a hip-hop label. There's a pop act on there. There's some different folks that are coming out. It's not just a hip-hop label. The band that's coming on, it's different the way they're doing it,

but to be the first release on there, there's a lot to prove. And so I would rather have good business people around that aren't jaded and filled with politics that we see in the music industry right now. Right. And people that just want

to do good business that don't have interactions with all this sewage. No baggage. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no baggage. So I think it's a good, it's a good way

to shoot over a nigga's head. You know what I'm saying? Right, let's take a shot for that guy. Yeah, yeah. Oh shit, solid. Cheers. Solid.

Cheers. What in the Dixie Cup? What the fuck? Yeah, come on. Yeah, yeah. Look, look, look. Look us out. We got a long game.

Do you want to play Quick Time of Slime now? No, no, no. I want to finish this story. Yeah, so we decided to do it. We decided to go with Greenback Records. Is your record label under there as well? Or it's just straight to them no it's just

it's just like I think we got one album with an option okay you know what I'm saying just because we feeling each other out

right so far so good everything's good but you're giving them a Dr. Dre record do you still own the masters yeah absolutely

okay okay that's the part yeah no no it's very of today it's not like the old it's not like the old days. Right, right, right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Because you bring it, with no disrespect to him, but you're bringing everything to the table. Well, you already recorded it on his own dime. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's bringing everything to the table. You know what I mean? We've always done our records without the machine. Right.

You know, even when I was in the machine, I never got the full push that I should have gotten. You know what I mean? So now I'm pushing myself. Right. for ourselves so long, it's like, okay, cool. Now we just need somebody who can promote the fuck out of this shit. Right. And I don't think anybody's ever promoted better than Conor McGregor. Yeah. Yeah.

What I think is important that you're saying is that he's brought in people. It's not just relying on him and his brand. He don't have boxing people or MMA people working on record shit. He's going in and he's cherry picking the people who are qualified to do the work. And we made sure that was happening

as well. But again, we knew it was going to be a slow burn. I haven't put out a record in a long time. I got to put records out. I got to let people know that I'm coming out again. In a room, in a world full of noise. It's a lot, a lot of music

that comes out every single day. Every single day. You know, and I think a lot of, I think the lane is really crowded,

you know? So to stand out. Not for OGs. Right. Not for OGs. I think the lane is crowded for, like,

generic. Like, you know, the young generation. But, I'm looking at Busta Rhymes. Like, he's fucking every other fucking weekend i'm like yo take a rest like you know what i'm saying just think about it look college joe like you of gray snoop like i feel like not to say it like this but i feel like it's our time again yeah but it's to us. Meaning we don't have to snap and

pop and all that other dumb shit. Do it again? I fucked that up too though, right? I was like, I couldn't even get that together. That was pretty good. Let's slow mo. Yeah, because I feel like

for the first time, it feels like the fans are growing up with us. Our fans is probably our age, and now they want our shit. I like growing up rap. I think the saving grace of what we're experiencing now, and while we're able to speak directly to our audiences, the convenience of being able to get to the music faster. You don't have to invest time and go to a record store or possibly be sold out or get a physical copy. It's like you can point, click, download, have it right there.

So, you know, the people who grew up to our music have families. They got their own lives now. They get wind. All they need to do is they hear that it's happening and they can get it. Right. I think that's the magic of what we're dealing with now. Yeah,

that was crazy. The access. And the global reach now, the way it is now. Do you remember when you had to go to London, you had to physically

bring your record to London? Yeah. Like, there was no MP3, there was no... You'd bring white labels over there. White labels,

yeah. Yeah. Final press. Test presses. Yeah. Yes. There was no MP3 There was no You were bringing white labels Over there White labels Yeah Jesus Final press Test presses Yeah Yes That was horrible times But it was great But it was great

Like it was horrible If you think about Nah it was awful times Let me finish it It was horrible because You physically had to Bring your record And it was so inconvenient

But the process Was so beautiful Because it's like Like you look at these kids right now if they ever go to europe and they they perform over their vocals they'll get booed off but but they gotta you gotta experience that like not really because that's what their audience is accustomed to you're right the generation yeah the generation but in my and i hate to sound like the old dude I was about to say in my day.

I'm like, I'm like, but in our day, fuck that, in our day, we knew better. We knew better. We knew. I remember one time

I performed in Europe and I did like an hour and a half and I did an hour the day before and it was like, it was like, not, it was like, good, but not enough. Not enough. But it was like, not enough. But I was like, really, we wanted more records.

So we added more records. And these records happened to be the only two records that had vocals in it. It was, I'm leaving it, ironically, from the first album. We never had an instrumental. And I remember they waited for me to get up this awesome job but you had the vocals in there and i was like oh they pay attention yeah they pay attention like yeah yeah oh man um what is your favorite era of hip-hop my favorite era of hip-hop?

I have, it goes from Public Enemy, EPMD, Rakim, Poor Righteous Teachers, Gangstar, that era into the death row, N.W.A., up until then, right before I got in. That was like my college. That was my school. That was like the things i was listening to i remember going and

buying cypress hills first album with the red cover i remember you know what i'm saying going and listening to you know um like music with my friends or driving around and listening to what came out and knowing it word for word is and and going through the whole album from top to bottom to find the song that you fuck with the most. And then everybody's consensus was the same. I think the late 80s into the early 2000s or early 90s was my favorite era. I respect that. It's kind of a blended thing. You know what I'm saying? to the early 2000s or early 90s was my favorite era.

I respect that. Yeah. It's kind of a blended thing. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because, I don't know, there's different graduating classes. It depends on generation. Every 10 years,

there's a new graduating class. That's the way I feel. Yeah. You know, and then you see new artists come out, some stick around, some fall off.

Right. But every 10 years, you can look and see, like if you cut down a tree, you see the rings. You see who was doing what when, right? It's just going to be interesting to see how that plays out now because I don't see the longevity of the artists that are coming out now. The majority. Correct. I don't see 10 years from now what they would their

sounds are gonna be like over if they're even gonna be remembered because the detention span is so so fast right now yeah it's very true flowers man hold on yeah right next so let me ask you I always get conflicted conversations when I asked about this man in fact one time it was Daz on one side and Corrupt on one side. One was saying, fuck him, and the other one was like, I love him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is very weird, right? Which is very weird, right?

I tried to ask Snoop and Dre, but Dre clearly said, I didn't understand when this motherfucker was over there. What was your relationship with Suge Knight? I didn't have one. You didn't have one at all? No. Really? No.

So y'all didn't see each other and you say, what's up, son? Later on, yeah. Okay. Later on, but it was just like a, I was never like in a room

or had a conversation with him or nothing. It was just like a. Never solicited to join Death Row because it seems like everybody got asked to join. Yeah, yeah. My next question would have been, what would the Xzibit album sound like on Death Row because it seems like everybody got asked to join now. Yeah, yeah. My next question

would have been what would the Exhibits album sound like on Death Row? Oh, shit. That's it. I'm not talking about now. It would be mixed very well.

Really? It would be sonically mixed very well. It would have been mixed very well. Up to the point where he left. Yeah, yeah.

But, so you never got approached to be on Death Row? Ever. Get out of here. Ever. I was on Loud when Loud got bought Yeah. So you never got approached to be on Death Row? Never. Get out of here. Never. I was on Loud. When Loud got bought by Sony Columbia,

I was on there for a while. Right. They took Loud and just kept me, Three Six Mafia, and Wu-Tang. Right. Because I remember at one point, Suga tried to even get Warren G.

So that's what I'm trying to say. I'm sure that... Yeah, but Warren G's close to that. Yeah, but him being on all of those records. No, but at that time, at that time. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. At that time. That was before me, though.

Yeah, that's before me. Yeah, that was before me. Yeah, I didn't come in until after all that. Okay, okay. I could have seen you, though, at the tail end of that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I came right at the tail end of that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I came right at the ass end of it. Yeah. But what, I mean, I know you say well mixed. What would a Death Row exhibit album sound like? I think it would have

sounded incredible. Yeah. One thing about that era, there was no whack albums that came out of that camp. No, it would have been, it would have been kind of like the,

the sound of what's happening. Right. But, I think the production would have sounded like of like the sound of what's happening. But I think the production would have sounded like that, but my lyrics would have been something else. You think? You know what I'm saying? My lyrics would have been something else. I'm going to be honest, and I say this behind your back. I'm going to say it to your face. Lyrics, not flow, right?

What you mean? Lyrically, the content of the lyrics. Do you think you was ahead of your time? I'm listening to your old shit. I'm like, this motherfucker was talking about this shit? I'm listening to your old shit. I'm like, this motherfucker was talking about this shit back then. I mean, kind of. The title says it all. Right.

Right. I pride myself on being able to stand as an individual with my art. You know what I'm saying? And so I was rapping about things on my first album, like Paparazzi, you know, like, you know, people. Lady Gaga, bitch, is shit. She's good at what? Paparazzi. Yes, she is.

Two different records. I'm spreading the rumor, man. It's true. He has a record called Paparazzi. That's a totally different thing. No, it's not. No. I disagree.

I'm an artist. I can say this. Lady Gaga, you're big. You're only giving a couple of checks. No, it's not. No. I disagree. I'm an artist. I can say this. Lady Gaga, you're big. You're only giving a couple of checks. Come on, fuck that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When I hear Lady Gaga shit, I hear his shit.

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on Apple podcast. Shit, man. On Apple Podcasts. I was a father at 19 years old. So, you know, I was a kid myself. So I had to figure out, you know, I put that in my music. Being vulnerable is something that I'm not afraid of. And so being able to have that in my records and, yeah, there's a lot of bravado. There's a lot of tough shit. There's this, there's that. You know what I'm saying? But I always revealed a lot of myself in my music because I wanted that to be the relatable part. I didn't want to just say shit to just get niggas to like it.

You know what I'm saying? Like I wanted to be like, I wanted that, but that's the era we come from. Like we want to live our records. You know what I'm saying? We don't want to just make them. And so that was where we were at. You know what I'm saying? And so I think that from that standpoint, it gave me a clear path to be myself.

I wouldn't say ahead of my time, but just be an individual. You know what I'm saying? But that's the definition of ahead of our time is you saying something that people are catching on to now. Right. You know what I mean?

I know you're being humble. I'm taking it for you. Don't worry about it. I also think that, you know, it could have been a lot different if the people I was working with saw the same vision that I had and pushed a little harder.

You know what I'm saying? It was like... Talking about loud? Yeah. Yeah, loud and like any other, even the major labels. All of them? Yeah. Okay. There was like any other, even the major labels. All of them? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So there was always people in the building that looked at it one way, and then they took what you said and took bits and pieces of it to pacify you. But really, they're just going to do what they want to do anyway. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, we've had a lot of commercial success with major labels, but the impact that I want, the impact that will make, you know, when you got that itch, you know what I'm saying, you want to scratch it with, you know, like, I know what it's going to take to get that. I feel like I have that now.

Right. You know what I'm saying? I have it. I feel it. I smell it. I can see it. You know what I'm saying? Like, this album, to me, it feels like this is the album that I've been trying to make since the beginning. You know what they say?

They say you make your best album when you're broke and when you don't need it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I feel like that's the thing. It's like you probably don't need it, but, you know, you want to feed your fans because. I feel like I owe them. Yeah. I feel like I owe them. Yeah. I feel like I owe my fans. And that's something real.

Like I think I'm glad you said that because, you know, I could have easily just stopped and just been like, that's it. You know what I'm saying? Because it's very hard to make a record right now. You know what I'm saying? You're not in it. Right. Yeah. When you're not mentally in it, when you're just rhyming to be rhy record right now. You know what I'm saying? When you're not in it. Yeah, when you're not mentally in it,

when you're just rhyming to be rhyming and just putting shit out to see if it sticks to the wall. And then when you really believe in something, that's different. You know what I'm saying? I believe in this record. I mean, every fucking word I say from the beginning to the fucking end of this shit,

every fucking single word has been thought about and calculated. And now I have, now I have the creative space and the freedom to do that. You know what I'm saying? It's not like my life don't depend on it.

But I feel like I owe it to the fans. I feel like, I feel like I left it in a place where a lot of niggas got me fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it was left, like, it was, like, left abandoned. Like, couple wheels Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it was left, like, it was, like, left abandoned. Like, couple wheels missing, you know what I'm saying? Right. Like, fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? In my opinion. Right. Like, nah, I can't leave it like that. And yes, I turned down TV shows, I turned down films,

I turned down all these other things because right now the most important thing to me is the music. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I grew my braids back. i grew my braids back everything i'm ready to go nigga like you know what i'm saying like it's it's and i feel i feel like um once and i feel um accomplished like i just came

off a european brand because we went out there i I'm touring with a live band now. Right. So, I went out there, and we did that, kind of like a test run in front of people with the new records and the band. Right. Boy. Boy, we kicked a hole in the

motherfuckers. We performed for like an hour, hour and a half, sometimes two hours, you know what I'm saying? Like, we do an encore, the and a half, sometimes two hours. You know what I'm saying? Like we do an encore, the motherfuckers screaming. We come back and do another one. They screaming. So what we do with three encores.

I ain't never did that shit. I ain't never had to do nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? That's how this music feels. You know what I'm saying? And so like I was, once we did that, we went to Ireland, met the Greenback guys. You know what I'm saying? Ireland.

Yeah. Sound cold. Yeah. It's actually beautiful. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's actually beautiful, man. I don't know why I'm thinking Iceland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay. My bad, my bad. My bad, my bad. Y'all got me. Y'all got me. That nigga said Iceland. Jesus. And then we went to Spain. That's where I met Connor for the first time.

No. Madrid? Marbella. Marbella. Oh, I ain't been there. Sounds nice. Marbella was really nice. We went to do the Bare Knuckle Boxing event, and I met Connor there for the first time.

Uh-huh. And yeah, man, it seems like the energy and the push that is coming behind what we did on this album, I can't wait to share with the world, man. Goddamn, let's place a noise for that guy. But let me tell you what's creepy. You know, obviously, you're my friend, but I got to do my due diligence. And I just was hitting everybody. And it was so crazy for me.

Whenever I said, yo, I got an exhibit. It's either two things they say. Yeah, Pimp My Ride. Damn. Yeah. But his was crazy. Whenever a person goes straight to Pimp My Ride, I'm like, he's not hip hop.

Like, I judge that person. I'm so sorry. That's the first thing they say. Because that shouldn't be. No, it shouldn't be. You know what I mean? It should be like, you know what I mean?

Like, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? And even if you go to Dre, it's still like, do you not understand this whole life this guy was, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I'll take it. Yeah, yes, yes. You know, I used to fight that too. It's a part of your blessings, man. Me personally, I used to fight that. I used to go places, and they used to book me, and I didn't know what Nori they were booking. Were they booking the reggaeton Nori? Yeah, blessings, man. Me personally, I used to fight that. I used to go places and they used to book me and I didn't know

what Nori they were booking. Were they booking the reggaeton Nori? Were they booking component Nori? You ain't got Nori. You have all those Noris in the backpack.

But then I realized, I said, fuck it. They all here anyway. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll take it, man. But I, the other day, stood at home,

high as hell, watched the TV and I watched at least 15 fake Pimp My Ride shows. And I had to look at this shit and be like, I wanted to call you so bad and be like,

if I'm mad at these, there's people trying to be you, there's people like, all this crazy shit. Do you ever see these other shows and be like man they owe me restitution nah you know i i i look at that whole thing and i and i try to now i'm now there's some distance on it i make sense of it that was a vehicle for in a world where reality television was built on the, you know,

demise of someone or someone's character, you know, or somebody. You were helping people. Yeah, exactly. We were actually doing something positive. And so it also introduced me to the world. Yes, white people too. In a different, yeah, in a whole different manner. Right.

You know, and it led to a whole lot of other opportunities. Right. I wanted the world to see me a certain way. But, you know, and it led to a whole lot of other opportunities. I wanted the world to see me a certain way, but you know. And what way was that? As Exhibit the Rapper. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I just wanted the world to know me as a lyricist,

I'm with this, I'm doing this, I'm a monster on the mic. That's, you know, that's what I want the world to know me as, but that can exist with other things, too. You know what I'm saying? And so that's why I feel like what we did with the show and how the world perceived it and how I was in people's living rooms across the planet. With 10 seasons? You know, seven. Seven?

Okay. You know, yeah, man, I think it was dope. It was about wish fulfillment. It was about, you know, something positive happening for somebody. And everybody got a piece of shit car. You know what I'm saying? At some point, they lost it. And it was about wish fulfillment it was about you know something positive happening for somebody and everybody got a piece of shit car you know at some point they lost it and you gotta think about it you was a black man with braids in all the white people's houses they loved it

I don't think they've been a nigga in a nigga's house since I think after you there it's like it's enough that was like the first of the restoration type reality show, right? Yeah, it was a first of a lot of different things. But, you know, I never looked back at that. I used to look back at that when I didn't, I was too close to it. So now as I think back on it, it's like, yo, this really like,

like people talk to me about Pin My Ride every day. Like, yo, you going to pin my ride? You know what I'm saying? Even in jazz. You know what I'm saying? It's like people, if they don't know what to say, they say that. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And so I'm like, okay, cool. So you know what? That's something interesting. It's something you, I don't know if I'm supposed to even be talking about this. But you know who just approached me, you know what I'm saying, to do it again? Because the only people who actually had the right idea

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That's kind of fly, yo. Nobody's ever. Give you equity into that. Listen, I kind of fly, yo. Nobody's ever. Listen, I did my due diligence. I know it's being sold to somewhere, somebody else right now and whatever. It's going to a bigger thing. They're selling all their assets from that side of things. So I was like, you know, I think as a betting man, I think that I don't need the title pet my ride to do it.

I think if I do it on my own and create something totally different, the audience is going to kind of know what it is. I don't think it needs to be that title. Right. Right. So, you know, if I'm betting on myself, then yeah, I think that, you know, we can create something a hybrid of that show that's now done the way I see it. Yes. And I think the world would appreciate that. And you'll be on it

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little owners of these little networks and they're making it pop. Except for 2B. Like, 2B's the only one that's a little loose. No, slow. Like, I don't know who owns,

I don't know who owns 2B, but he is legitly different. Slowly but surely. 2B owns 2B's the only one that's a little loose. No, slowly. I don't know who owns 2B, but he is legitly different. Slowly but surely. 2B owns 2B. Slowly but surely, we are witnessing us becoming small networks, satellite networks, and having direct access to our audience. The gatekeepers have lost the gate already. We just used to going through them. So that's why we keep kind of drifting that way. But slowly but surely, the path is being-

They're just trying to buy everything up, even the good ones. They're just- Right. Anything that- They're trying to keep control power. But as they lose power, we are starting to gain it. Right. And we can go directly to our audience.

So I think that's what the attractiveness of it is. Me understanding what it's been before, going through it, understanding it in a different light now, and now being able

to step back in and control the narrative is amazing. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, we haven't gotten far with it. No, that's fly. I'm just saying.

I hope it goes through, man. And again, let me just say something. I'm a binge watcher, right? And I used to, like, you know, HBO, all this shit. Like, I stay home now. I watch shit that no one, I watch Prime, Apple TV. Like, I watch, like, and again, as long as you cater to your audience, I don't think you ever have to change. I don't think, I'm just noticing that.

Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, remember, it was just HBO, Cinemax, Showtime. I can stay home for a whole week. I'm not hitting on none of those shits. I'm not watching what's supposedly popular. I'm watching what speaks to me. Yeah.

Like, I'm watching this shit called Bad Monkey. I don't know if you heard of it with Vince Vaughn. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's about Florida. It's about the Keys. I always think of you. Like, I don't know. Me or Boris?, but Vince Vaughn. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's about Florida. It's about the Keys. I always think of you. I don't know.

Me or Boris? I think you'd be in the Keys. Hey! I don't know. I don't know. I don't even watch TV. I don't watch programming, you know what I'm saying? Like television shows, sitcoms, and all that stuff.

You get all that on the stream platform. You can watch it when you want to watch it. Right. So I think it's just changing, man. You can watch it when you want to watch it. Right. So I think it's just changing, man. You a Netflix guy? Yeah, Netflix. Okay.

Netflix, Max. HBO Max. Yeah. Okay. Apple TV. Apple TV. Yeah, Apple TV, of course. Prime?

Yeah, Prime. Amazon Prime. Yeah, yeah. That's what stops. Prime be making me pay, man. I don't do Hulu or all that other shit. I be getting drunk and shit.

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I'm kind of weird about that. I don't like the whole, I don't have a bunch of shit on my phone. I just have certain shit. I don't do the Cash App shit and all that fucking. You don't do Cash App?

Zelp, Venmo. I was fighting it for a long time. I don't do the cash app shit and all that fucking. You don't do cash app? Zelp, Venmo. I was fighting it for a long time. I didn't like PayPal. PayPal. PayPal. I mean, I know I have it now, but I barely use that shit. I'm like, I don't know.

No, Zelp is okay. Yeah. It's easier because you know the transaction's right there. You know what's crazy? I just know how to send money. When somebody send me money back, I think that shit goes in the iCloud.

I don't know how to download it. Like our convo last week. I can send money though. You're going to send money. When somebody send me money back, I think that shit goes in the iCloud. I don't know how to download it. Like, I can send money, though. You want to send it back? No. Yeah, yeah. Remember, I kept begging you to send it back. Yeah, I was at dinner the other day, and I had all my homies with me,

and I took care of the bill, and then, nigga, my phone started going off, and I see these numbers coming. I'm like, nigga, who's sending me? What is this? Are you sending me money? Like, where does it go, nigga? You know what I'm saying? I don't know where it goes.

You don't know where it goes either. I don't like cash out. Yeah, what am I supposed to do? I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. I'll be trying not to look stupid, so I don't be like, yo, what did I do? Then the Apple cash, and I know it makes me sound really old, but fuck that. You know what I'm saying? You talking to a nigga that keep his all

this money all facing up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I come from the old school. You know what I'm saying like you talking to a nigga that keep his all this money all facing up you know what I'm saying like yeah I come from the old school you know what I'm saying I ain't gonna lie this is dangerous the phone having like

your cards on your phone yeah like man you lose this motherfucker it's automatically yeah I seen Pat Joe's wife get him drunk one day

I mean maybe I got him drunk too and the wallet you mean the wallet on the phone yeah and yeah Joe's wife get him drunk one day. I mean, maybe I got him drunk too. With the wallet, you mean? The wallet on the phone? Yeah, and we went to a jewelry store and I just felt sorry for him. It was just like... I was just like... You mean there's two sides to convenience.

You know what I'm saying? There's a negative and a positive here. You know? Our show is about giving people their flowers. We know we had you on early when we was discovering who it is, but we'd be remorse not to tell you how much you mean to the rap game, how much you mean to, I was about to say West Coast, but I don't want to limit you to the West Coast.

I don't want to limit you to, you know, California. I want to limit you to, I want to not limit you. I want to, to limit you to the West Coast. I don't want to limit you to, you know, California. I want to limit you to, I want to not limit you, I want to, you know, to the fucking galaxy. You know what I'm saying? Like, you are a person who changed the game. You're a person who has remained loyal. You're a person who has remained down. You're a person who has

never, you know, cracked, folded. And we want to give you our flowers face to face. You know what I'm saying? Man to man. As Snoop said, it's better than the Grammy because it's from your people. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Nigga, I don't even get invited to the BET Awards. So this is awesome.

Okay. Okay. So all right. Okay. They said Ray J has tronics. Who said that? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Ray J has tronics. Who said that? Okay, yeah. So, these little networks.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. But Odie Fazz is not a little network. No, it's not. And to be able to be that they have the vision to approach me, they have a bigger vision for it than what I'm thinking, right? So, yeah, I think it's dope. I thank you for this, too, man. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Come on. This is your family dope i think i thank you for this too man i appreciate it you know what i'm saying more than by the way by the way you deserve this thank you man it's not something like we're not we're not giving charity did you refill this yeah yeah oh shit

okay Cheers. Yeah. Yeah. I hope that you do that deal, man. No, I mean, listen, listen. It all works. And I think it goes back to the original question. Like, you know, when people talk to me and they talk about pin my ride, does it bother me? No, it does not bother me.

Right. You know what I'm saying? There's so many other things that could have been so different for me. Right. To come from where I come from, and to have made so many people happy, you know what I'm saying? Like, people walk up to me and say, yo, I grew up to you.

You know, like, oh, you were my childhood. I was like, damn, nigga, I'm not that old. You know what I'm saying? I was like, you're not that much younger than me. You know what I'm saying? I was like, you're not that much younger than me. You know what I'm saying? I was in that age. I was the same age as you, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

But even with that, like, even with that, yo, you were ahead of your time. Like, I said that earlier with the lyrics and the music. But just think about that in reality. Yeah. Like, we weren't used to seeing a motherfucker with braids. You know what I'm saying? I said that earlier with the lyrics and the music. Yeah. But just think about that in reality. Yeah. Like, we weren't used to seeing a motherfucker with braids. You know what I'm saying? Like, going to, you know, what's that shit?

Orange County. Yeah. You were going to Rancho Cucamonga. Yeah, I was really worried when I first started Pimp My Ride that my peers in in hip-hop were going to frown upon it. Why? Because I was young. You know what I'm saying? And I really shouldn't have gave a fuck. You know what I'm saying?

Definitely shouldn't have. But I was worried about it because I love what we have, this thing of ours, hip-hop, this brotherhood, this unity of ours, hip-hop, this brotherhood, this unity, this unspoken word, this code that we live by. I was stepping outside of that.

Right. But you weren't, though. But it's the same thing that we talked about outside of this looking in. Same thing. Inside of looking out, you kept it hip-hop. Correct. Had you had a fucking tuxedo on, you know what I'm saying? Like a real presenter. If you was doing hip-hop. Correct. Had you had a fucking tuxedo on, you know what I'm saying? Like a real presenter.

Yeah, like if you was doing some weird, funny shit. Yeah, hold the mic like this. You kept it hip-hop. That's the thing about it. A lot of people think hip-hop is not even a clothes sometimes. Hip-hop is just, you can put on anything. You can put on a prison suit and still be hip-hop. Right.

You know what I mean? And that's where I think the legitimacy comes from with Pimp My Ride is no matter what, if he was in Albuquerque, if he was in wherever, if he was... He never left California.

He never left California. See, I didn't know that. In my mind, I was in motherfucking Seattle. You know what I'm saying? Like, all over the place. It was so... It was so small-minded.

But you kept it hip-hop. I think that's my point. It's like, your slang, your vernacular. You brought hip-hop to the world through the show. It was so small-minded. But you kept it hip-hop. I think that's my point. It's like your slang, your vernacular. You brought hip-hop to the world through the show. You brought us with you.

But it was a risk. Right. Why was it a risk? It was a risk because nobody else had done it. Yes, right. You're the first. Reality TV,

you got to remember, we come from, motherfucker, you talk about third base when they was dissing MC Hammer for doing Pepsi commercials. You know what I'm saying?

EPMD crossover. Like, talking about going and crossing over. Like, that's where I was directly going against that rule. Right. Right? But it was, I did it because I thought that it would help my music. Total opposite. It had nothing to do with the music.

Motherfuckers didn't even move the needle. It did take me into a household name, though. In my opinion, outside of looking in and you got something in your joint. Got you. God damn, it's still there.

Go ahead. Come on, Boris. Help him out. See, in my opinion Now I would like you to correct me It was represented in the right way To me When I seen that

I wouldn't want what you Fucking represent for us You never felt like that? Yeah of course I felt like he was bringing us with him. Yes, I'm glad. I want to word it like that. But I'm glad it landed like that.

Meaning? I'm glad that it was perceived like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you got people who don't necessarily appreciate the transition from one to the other, but for the majority of people, there was a positive response.

And you were picking out your own clothes. Or they would come by. I was telling them what to wear. Listen, you got to ask because come on, bro. It is quiet. You saw the same exhibit on the show that you saw. That's what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is,

you know, once it's a success, they have opinions. It's like you said, he wasn't wearing a suit and tie. That's what I'm trying to say is, you know, once it's a success, they have opinions. It's like you said. He wasn't wearing a suit and tie and then- That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What was different was the world got to see my character.

They got to see the way I speak to my family members. I tell horrible dad jokes all the time. I would like to hear one. And that's my sense of humor, though. Right. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm not exhibit rapping a thousand fuck you bars. You know what I'm saying?

Now you get to see me joking around with somebody and being able to relate to someone who's not a celebrity. Like being able to talk to people is a gift. You know what I'm saying? Right. Some people don't know how to relate to anyone. And you would joke on them too though. Right, right. But that's how I am.

And so the world got to see that side of me and accepted that part. And I never in the world expected, you know, I never expected the world to accept me as I am. You know what I'm saying? Only what I presented, you know what I'm saying? So you were worried more than anything. Right, right. But I was worried about a lot, you know what I'm saying? Only what I presented, you know what I'm saying? So you were worried more than anything. Right, right, but I was worried about a lot,

you know what I'm saying? Like, is this going to affect me going back and doing music? Is this going to affect me, you know, like I don't know how it's going to be perceived, but it became a juggernaut hit. Yes, it has. It became a path to follow. It became, you know, one of the things that people strive to emulate.

That's why all these other shows came from it. And I look back at that and be like, wow. When you have imprints on society, that's different than just having a moment or having a hit record. This is something that lasts, like, generations. Yeah, you're literally a part of people's childhood or just their viewing experience at home or whatever. That's a big deal. Right.

You could talk to people and ask them, you know, about Pimp My Ride and they'll know what it is. Right. You know what I'm saying? But let me ask you, like, we was inquiring about OnlyFans, and they said they'll buy the IPO. The IP. The IP. The IP.

They're willing to. Does that mean that you get back to old episodes? No. No, were you ever part of the original ownership? Like how Snoop got with Death Row, like he doesn't have the old catalog, but he has the IP from here on out. But we didn't know if he was a part of the original ownership.

Were you a part of the original ownership of the show? The creation? No. So they stepped to you with this idea already? But you could be if they buy it and you say, well, if you buy it, I got to be a part of that. It's super inclusive. They already told me what their vision was. But again, it's just an idea.

But I'm just letting them know. Shout out to OnlyFans Television. I'm down with y'all. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Did I plead my case today? Did you see me look at the camera? I'm down with y'all.

I'm down with y'all. You're always about to do hand videos. I'm down. I'll be a hand model. It'd be dope. It'd be dope. You know what I'm saying? But yes, you know what I'm saying?

Everything that was successful in the past, you know what I'm saying, that can still have relevance now, like, yo, why not do it? You know what I'm saying? Why not put it back out there? But listen, you know, if it comes to fruition, you guys will be the first ones to know. Oh yeah, goddammit. Let us come on the show

and get some capacity. We'll be drinking on the side just commenting on shit. I'm going to buy a hoopty just to get it pimped. But, I, I want to ask you this. At one point, this hat company was paying me, right?

Paying me to wear a hat. I just, after a while, I just could not stop wearing this hat. Yeah. Was there a point where the success of the show,

that was a big show. That was our first time getting to see a brother that we know that being himself, staying himself at that, but it's crossing over. He became a household name. It's almost like NWA. NWA records wasn't meant to cross over. Wu-Tang records wasn't meant to cross over, but it crossed over. You wasn't trying to cross over, but you was becoming everyone's household. Was there any time that that show actually was a burden on you while you was recording it?

I didn't get to tour. Really? Oh, you had to stay in California. You didn't make music the same way. Right. I couldn't record. We recorded seven seasons, and it was like, you know, it was always something. And so I couldn't be away from L.A.

And so I wasn't able to tour. It affected a lot of the music side of things, you know? So then it was like I had spent so much time doing the show, when I went back to do music, it was met with Pimp My Ride. You know what I'm saying? It was met with that. The label party said, name your album, Pimp My Ride. You know what I'm saying? It was met with that. The label party said, name your album,

Pimp My Ride. Yeah. I bet you it's similar to how you felt with Reggaeton coming back. I mean, you were still in music. Don't me in this shit?

No, no, yeah. I think the sentiment is probably the same for him going back to doing music after the show. The same way that you felt. I'm trying to figure your point. Go ahead.

That you felt alienated. Remember you said you were in Hip Hop P ahead that you felt alienated remember you said you were in hip hop purgatory yeah I bet you that he kind of felt that same sentiment that you felt

see the thing is again I'm a fan at this time so I'm not seeing if you're agreeing with that I'm not seeing I'm seeing nothing but glory

right that's what I'm seeing right you know what I mean okay but he hadn't been training he hadn't I mean? But he hadn't been training. He hadn't been in the studio. He hadn't been doing shows. I wasn't able to do

what I wanted to do. Right. You know, I was doing something that was really dope. Right. At a cost. My first love, yeah. Music is my first love. Jesus, man. I'm not going to lie to you. Like I said said we had third base on him

And we were sitting back and we were saying How many things that people wouldn't do Because of the commercialism But you was I kid you not I would bet everything That you was the person that balanced that Like you know what I mean I love this story bro

I'm just being honest bro Because you broke barriers man You know what I'm just being honest bro Because You broke barriers man You know what I'm saying Um Uh You did something that Uh I believe that can't be

Replaced That's why when I see the fakes Yeah I be like Ah Yeah yeah yeah This is not the real Um

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I think doing... Pimp your fridge? No. I don't even think a makeover show is what's necessary. I think what's missing right now is, like, people actually doing genuine things for other people. You know what I'm saying? Like, you see, you know, like, things on social media, whatever. But, you know, like, again, that show was about wish fulfillment. That show was about something that can, like, it's no racial connection.

There's no party. There's no government official. This is just about somebody having something that everybody else has and eventually can be able to do something, you know, positive with it. And so, you know, if I do another show, man, you know, I would love to produce something that had that kind of basis to it, that root to it. But, I mean, there's so many ideas out there. There's so many things.

Like, I got an idea for a show. Like, let me explain what I'm talking about. Don't say it too loud here. No. I mean, it's your idea. Nobody's listening to us. I don't want this man to take your idea. No, I mean, look, if they take it, then so be it.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But good luck. Yeah. But I like to go fishing. Fishing. You know what I'm saying? Black men fishing.

I like to go deep sea fishing, right? Okay. And so, you know, one of our ideas, me and Tato, we go out sometimes. San Diego? No, no. What is it? It's in Oxnard. I forget the name of the place.

But I go out, you know, it's a boat. We go out, take it two hours into the ocean, go deep sea fishing. And in that ride out to the ocean, there's like a two, three-hour gap before we get to the spot. And so I was like, you know what? I had a couple guys come out, and they brought their kids, and their kids were from the hood, South Central, never been out of the hood. Went in, got on this boat, and we went out. And so they had the fucking time of their life on this boat right never been out the hood just experienced they screaming when they getting the fish about the boat on the ship and so um i was like let's do a show called teach a man to fish

and and so what that was is like we're gonna take people who have like these kids are coming from like war zones right and to see them have that kind of experience was really dope and then once going on that long ride back it was like I started talking to them I was like so you know like who do you look up to who inspires you

what do you want to be you know saying if you could be anything in the world, who would you want to talk to to get advice from? They start naming out names. Next time. You have that person come out. I have that person on the boat.

Wow. You know what I'm saying? This is a dope show. You're giving us a lot. Yeah. No. I'm going to be honest. This is dope. Yeah, but then it became a whole other thing so the way we have it lined up and the way we have it I mean good luck dude

I'm all for people doing stuff for other people but that idea right there would be sort of the direction I go in order to put something out and you got to realize it's double entendre teach them how to fish although you're talking about fishing you're talking about life

god damn it out this double entendre, teach him how to fish. Correct. Although you're talking about fishing, you're talking about life. Correct. Right. God damn it. I got it. That's the same. Hold on, hold on. Everybody take a piss. I'm next. But you could tie that up

into the OnlyFans deal if you wanted to. Yeah, I mean, it's limitless. The things that we can do with the relationships we have, because it's all about relationships. Right. You know, the things that we can do

is... What happened? Oh. No, we're good, we're good. Yeah, the things that we're doing with the relationships we got is phenomenal. So, I mean, I'm're good. Yeah, the things that we're doing with the relationships we got, it's phenomenal. So, I mean, I'm excited about the future, you know?

But you don't tie, like, the business dealings with McGregor with this OnlyFans thing. These are separate situations. Separate deals. Right, right. They're separate things, you know? I've always been one to keep irons in the fire, though, you know? Yeah. I like trying different shit.

I think the OnlyFans thing sounds incredible. I think it sounds dope, too. one to keep irons in the fire though you know yeah i like i like trying different shit i think the only fans things sounds incredible i think it sounds dope too i mean i you know because it sounds like a not to cut you but it sounds like a company that's trying to change their image they got the financial backing to do it and they want to pivot from what they are right now and they're successful and they're trying to find the right pieces to that puzzle. And that means you can come in at a foundational point of that pivot and grow with them. Absolutely. And I like building things from the ground up. You know what I'm saying?

You get the creative freedom before all these systems are in place to limit you on what you actually can do. And if something works, then you are actually writing that code for that company. You know, you're creating the DNA for everything successful that comes after you. Shit,

you should tell them give me equity in OnlyFans as well as a part of my deal. I think they're way past that. Oh, no, man,

oh, no, I think you can finagle something. No, I think coming in there with an IP that can be, you know,

shared and profitable for everybody is the idea. Yeah. Oh, man. Are we doing Quick Time with Slime real quick? I'm taking a quick piss with myself. Let's take a break because I got to do something real quick. All right. Two minutes. Ready for Quick Time with Slime? Yes, I am ready for Quick Time with Slime.

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Sometimes he does. I mean, that's not really the- That's not the point. That's not the point. That's not the point. The point is to bring up stories about whoever. Understood. Like, let's jog your memory.

Got it. Got it. But yeah, we want to know your preferences of things. Got it. So you pick one. Nobody drinks. One of the two choices. Uh-huh.

But if you say both or neither, the PC answer, you just don't want to answer it. Right. Then we all drink. We all drink. We take a shot. Yes. It seems like we're just about to take a bunch of fucking shots. I mean, who was the one that just said both, both, both?

MJG? MJG? Oh, yeah. MJG. Yeah, 8-Ball. 8-Ball. No, 8-Ball wasn't. MJG? WhichG? Oh, yeah, MJ. Yeah, 8-Ball. 8-Ball. No, 8-Ball wasn't. MJG?

Which was the one? MJG just like, yeah, he just wanted to drink. I expected that. I mean, look, but the thing is... Yeah, you might as well just bring the bottle over here. Yeah, yeah, let's just go. The criteria, it doesn't have to be anything negative. It'd be like, yo, this is my man because of so-and-so reason.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, let's do it. Tupac or Eazy-E? Oh, shit. Eazy-E. Okay, you see? I didn't think you was going to pick. Any reasons? Any story with Eazy-E? Did you ever meet Eazy-E?

I did meet Eazy-E. I met Tupac as well. Tell us both. I met Eazy? I have. I did meet Eazy. I met Tupac as well. Tell us both. Please. I met Eazy-E. I met Eazy-E. I saw him on the 110 freeway driving a white BMW and I handed him a tape.

I recognized him. Yeah. And I handed him a tape and it had my phone number on it. Thought it was the best thing ever. He's the first Mike Jones. Yeah, he called me, told me to come to the studio. I went to the studio that they recorded the whole NWA record show. Wow.

And he was like, yeah, man, I want to sign you. Is NWA still together? No, this is way after. Oh, way after. Oh, way after. Yeah, way after. And then I think he had just signed Bone. Okay, okay. And so that's why this is a little surreal moment as well.

And so then, you know, after that, lost contact. You know, the rest is history. But I did meet him. You know what I'm saying? But I say Eazy-E because Eazy-E was the catalyst behind the family tree, the roots of everything that grew out of that. Absolutely. Including myself, you know what I'm saying? Like coming from that NWA, Death Row, Snoop Dogg, Eminem family tree that branched out Aftermath. Yeah, you take Eazy out of the equation. That doesn't happen the same, at least that branched out, Aftermath. Yeah, you take Eazy out of the equation.

That doesn't happen. At least not the way we see it today. Exactly. So Tupac is a juggernaut. And the legendary artist in itself, but I would say Eazy. And what story with Pac? Any memorable? Dude, I think the biggest thing, and me and Eady from the Outlaws,

you know, shout out to Eady. Shout out to the Outlaws yeah and the whole crew man like you know there was you know

Tupac dissed me on well he well he didn't diss me I think one of the Outlaws you saying Fatal? no I don't remember this wait wait wait the first time I remember on Machiavelli on Machiavelli he was like One of the outlaws. You saying Fatal? No, I don't remember this.

Wait, wait, wait. The first time I remember. On Machiavelli? On Machiavelli. He was like, he called out whoever did paparazzi. Because he, yeah, they thought paparazzi, I wrote paparazzi about Tupac. Really? Like when he had the How Do You Want It song. All I want is the money and the fame.

Right. And then in my song, I said, it's a shame, niggas, in a rap game, only for the money and the fame. Oh, remember. So he thought that was about him. Okay. And I was like, no, nigga, it's about... It's not about none of that.

And so, you know, long story short, I was coming in House of Blues. He pulled up in a white Bentley drop top, hopped out, shook my hand. It's like, love your shit. Walked in there and did that infamous House of Blues show. Oh, that's that. Yeah.

When they did hit him up. Correct. Wow. Pause. He's chest naked, right? He took off his shirt. No, I think he had a shirt on. Oh, he had a shirt on?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's 662. Okay. Yeah, no, on stage, it might have been a different thing. Okay, okay. When I met him, he was jumping out of a car.

Okay, wow. And so, yeah, that was the back of House of Blues. First and only time I ever met Tupac. Wow. And yeah, that was dope, man. That was dope. Wow.

But now, fast forward, me dope. Wow. But, but, but now fast forward, me and Edie did a song together. Um, and we had talked about that and it was like, yeah, we did talk about it. And he was like, man, he was just, he just, he just felt like everybody was coming at him at that time. So he was hypersensitive about everything. Right. And so once we had that understanding, it was like, bro, that has nothing to do with nothing. And it's all love now, but, you know,

it was a thing. You know what I'm saying? It was crazy. That's crazy. When was the last time you smoked a blunt? Because this just tastes like Jesus' pussy right now.

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Give him one of them. Okay, roll this up, man. Roll this up. Okay, yeah, roll that up. This is from one of my stores in L.A. One of the stores. I like how you got that. Let's be clear.

One. I understand that. Okay. You got a few. Give us one. Los Angeles. You know what was crazy? I didn't even tell you. During COVID traditional. I didn't even tell you.

During COVID, I did marriage boot camp. Yeah. And it was the dispensary that would deliver it to me. And all I would buy is their shit. Like, all I would buy is their shit. I never even called you. It was like, I just wanted support. I was like, in my mind, I'm like, this nigga got the warranty.

I appreciate it, man. He's getting all the royalties. I appreciate it. Yeah, so how did you get in the cannabis business? He just said, fuck. Yeah, we're going back. I mean, we into the cannabis business? He just said, fuck. We're here, though. We're here, though. What is this?

That's called Lost Angel OG. Lost Angel? Lost Angel OG. It's a collab we did with the traditional brand. Mine is, my stores are called Exhibits West Coast Cannabis. I have one in Bel Air

and one in Chatsworth sounds very rich yeah you see them they look beautiful these stores are beautiful yeah and I got

with a really good group but the retail aspect of what I do in cannabis is where I landed I started by you know creating

some of the biggest brands in cannabis from you know Brass Knuckles to what we did with Napalm to working with other, like my close friends, Wonder Brett, all those guys that really put it down, C Junkie, Genetics. All these guys that I've had real close, intimate, real relationships, building brands is where I started. So that started in 2018, 2017. Oh, wow. 2016. The first thing I made was a taffy. A Laffy T And it was, it was.

A Laffy Taffy? Yeah. And it was like, we couldn't get the formula right. So once, like one piece would be fucking strong and knock your ass out. And then the other one wouldn't be as strong as it was. So it was like a thing we had to make. Right. Right.

And so that was my entry into it. It was called LOL Taffy. And then from there, I said, okay, cool. We went into the vape carts and then we got into other things. But I learned a lot. I know every aspect. I've had my own distribution. I've had my own manufacturing.

I've had all of that stuff. So I've learned every aspect of the business. So, you know, I think experience to me is knowing who to fire. You know what I'm saying? And so for me, being able to have every aspect of the cannabis industry understood, retail was a natural thing for me. Because not only do I know how to build a brand

and I know how to push a brand, that I thought it was dope to be able to like, okay, well, let's sell everybody's shit. You know, because California is a shit show right now. It needs to be regulated in a different way. They changed the law. What do you mean? I don't understand. The rules and regulations for cannabis in California are really difficult to navigate for legal cannabis.

Now, when you say there's a thousand shops in California right now, maybe, you know, maybe about half of them are legal. Right. So the other guys are operating with no taxes, no you know it was black market or the traditional market okay no and so um you know is it we plan by different rules but with its overtaxed it's over regulated they make it really difficult for a real operators to go and then they have to compete with people who are just undercutting the prices. You know what I'm saying? You know, because we got to keep our prices a certain way in order to pay the taxes and whatever happens from legal business.

But then when you got motherfucking cowboys down the street that don't give a fuck about none of that shit, putting their shit in colorful ass boxes with no regulations, and they got cereal boxes and all kinds of, you know what I'm saying? All the rappers going in there. It's like, you know what I'm saying? All the rappers is going in there.

It's like, you know what I'm saying? Like why go to a legal shop when I can go get some fruit loops with a whole bunch of fucking weed in it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's, it's, it's difficult to navigate through that in California.

So that being said, there is still a thriving business and as things get regulated, it will balance itself out. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to the next one. Quick time slot. Thank you, Manu. Rascals are corrupt.

Both. Jesus. Both. Fuck you. Fuck, motherfucker. What the fuck was that? Jesus. See, you talking about...

I just want you to know, the Dominican and the Colombian writes those questions over here. So it's not me and EFN. Don't take it out on us. It has to point out where they're from too. I want you to know, because it's a conspiracy.

It is. It is. Yo. Yo. NWA or Wu-Tang? NWA. And look, I love... Listen, I love Wu-Tang, but I mean, NWA is like, you know, that's just,

like where we come from, that's like the Holy Grail. You know, that shit started. You had the jerry curl before? I did not have a fucking, I did have an ass curl. You had an ass curl. I'm about to say, I'm about to say, I'm about to say, I can tell you a spacious room. And I knew you had an S curl. You had an S curl. I'm about to say, I'm about to say, I'm about to say, let me tell you something, I can tell you

a crazy story. I can't believe it. And I knew you had an S curl. It's like a ton of stuff. In my mind, in my mind. Oh, fuck,

I remember. Yes. Nigga, that shit was crazy. We need a picture so we can put it up on. No, no, no, no. I have one too.

But you know the niggas used to sell Kraken by them cheap ass suits from Jeans West. You know what I'm saying? Well, we did that anyway. Yeah, that was wild.

Fuck. I remember that. Shave sides with a little curly top. I'll tell you the next two. Go ahead. Damn it. King T. No, no, no.

I can't do this one. Oh, no. See? I'm sorry. Y'all playing, man. He just gives me everything ice-cubed. Okay. King T.

Ice-cubed. Oh, both. Fuck you guys. Oh, both. Fuck you guys. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Mm. He's got a record with Cube.

Yeah, come on, man. On the album? Tell me you got, after we get done, you got. Yeah, I ain't going nowhere. Over the Quiet Storm. Yo, come on, man. Come on, man. Jesus.

I'm not even telling you to blow it up for the fans. I'm telling you to blow it up for me. I'm telling you, bro, as a DJ, when you hear, man. Come on. Jesus. I'm not even telling you to blow it up for the fans. I'm telling you to blow it up for me. Jesus. I'm telling you, bro, as a DJ, when you hear that kind of mashup. Jesus. Okay. Nas or Jay-Z? What the fuck?

Both. Jesus, Christmas. I ain't going to lie. I told you I spoke to Nas today, this morning. When I hit him, I was like, I got trained to finally take the shit back. I'm not going to fucking get in the middle of that shit. You fucking crazy. Oh, I got to need a shot, baby.

All right. Hold on, I need my shot. Come on. You didn't drink your shot? No, no, no. I don't cheat the game. I treat the game. Give him his colada shot.

Oh, exactly. Thank you. Dale Chico. You took your shot? Yeah, we took our shot. You up over to your shot? Yeah, Chico. You took your shot? Yeah, we took our shot. You got both of your shots? Yeah, true. What is this?

This shit? 42? Okay, cool. All right, all right. Cypress Hill or Alcoholics? Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.

Yo, I love his face expressions, yo. The Licks or Soul Assassins? Yeah, what the fuck, you guys? I feel like you're part of both crews. Yeah, I can't fucking both. Oh, fuck. I told you, bring some ring to bottle. Cheers, cheers, cheers.

Okay. Oh, shit. No, you do that. This is West Coast shit. I mean, what the fuck? It's just because... Yeah, I'm racist. Unless you have the West Coast and a DJ. Hit it, just hit it, This is West Coast shit. I mean, what the fuck? It's just because. Yeah, I'm racist. Unless you have the West Coast and a DJ.

Hit it. Just hit it, man. The DJ shit. I got the groups. Just hit it. You got the DJs and the West Coast shit. Warren G or Da Farai? Oh, wow.

You guys are not fair. What the fuck is happening to you? Wow. That's the Dominican, and that's the Colombian. Right there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Fuck. They and that's the Colombian. Right there. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Fuck, man. You're both. Damn, dog. Yeah, both. I'm old as shot, too. You could say someone just was your favorite. They cooked macaroni better. The far right is my brother.

Yeah, no. Warren G is my brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm with you. He didn't bring you a million already? Yeah, I drank them. You might as well just bring the bottle over for ourselves. Yeah, I'm with you. He didn't bring you a million already? Yeah, I drank them. You might as well just bring the bottle of one for ourselves.

Chico, come on there. Hey, Chico, come on there. I'm outside with you. Okay, all right. And I haven't drank in a week. All right, you got the next one. Go. All right.

No, no, drink that first. Ah. I'll let you do it. Okay. I know why I got this one. Pharrell or Kanye Man I'm going to go with Ye Go with Ye?

Yeah Big up to Ye Any story with Ye? Or Pharrell? I haven't had a lot of interaction with With either of them. But I met Pharrell. Very cordial.

Then you got to be with him? You ain't got to be with Pharrell? No. No, Timbaland. Oh, that's Timbaland. Okay. Timbaland. Uh-oh.

Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like everything. My O's. You know what I'm saying? It's my O's. I know when they're taking my O's. Talk to Kanye. You know what I'm saying? Like's my O's. I know when they're taking my O's. Talk to Kanye.

You know what I'm saying? Like, never really got real deep with it. You know what I'm saying? But look, I say Kanye because I'm a fan of his work. You know, I speak fluent artist, right? I like that. That's dope. I speak fluent artists so i know when i see it and i know the

frustration that he was feeling you know what i'm saying i articulate my frustration in different ways but i felt when he was right doing that you got it you know what i'm saying and i saw his his roller coaster ride and through it all he stayed creative. He still made great fucking music. Through it all, he stayed creative. And he performed at an optimum level. And he was able to move some really big chess pieces around the board. Yep. In a state of chaos. When you can operate like that, I mean.

And under duress and attack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a whole different thing. Look, and you can't take nothing away from Pharrell. Pharrell is a musical master. It's a whole different thing. Look, and you can't take nothing away from Pharrell. Pharrell is a musical master. He's a genius. He definitely has transitioned into, like, bigger roles as well, going into, you know, what he's doing with Louis Vuitton.

And piece by piece. Yeah, come on. I think it made me a Lego. Yeah, and the stuff that he's doing in film, you know what I'm saying, with the Despicable Me. Oh, yeah. You can't take nothing away from what these guys are doing because they're doing it at such a high level. But I love the underdog. I love the motherfucker that, you know, fights.

I respect you for saying that, but you ain't been an underdog in a long time. No, he was going against. I mean, maybe to his own, he was bringing it on, but he was going up against some big things. He's going against some big things, some big ideas. I'm going to be fucked. Some big thoughts. Come on, man. We went through it. Yeah, we went through it.

We're going to slap products going through it. What's that? A secondhand smoke. Yeah. We definitely caught secondhand smoke? Yeah. We definitely caught secondhand smoke. By osmosis. Go ahead.

This is Erascosia. Go ahead. Jesus. Nipsey or Draco? Ooh. Ooh. Ooh, nigga. You got some ruthless.

I told you, it's Dominicans or Colombians. Nipsey or Draco? Yeah, Draco. I have to say Nipsey. Like, I, you know, rest in peace, Draco. Rest in peace, both. Rest in peace, Nipsey.

Rest in peace, both. Yeah. I just think that what Nipsey manifested in the city of Los Angeles, in his neighborhood, in the spirit of the Angeles, in his neighborhood, in the spirit of the people. I got to see it myself. Was a, was a,

I agree with you. Was impactful to a lot of people. They both had impacts, but I think what Nipsey meant and what he represented was a lot stronger. You know, I want to reiterate what you're saying. To me,

I know this is going to sound crazy but to me every time I met Nipsey it was like me in a version of Jesus it's because he knew everything about his OG's like and so many the younger generation just don't

they'll know more about Michael Jordan than they know about Snoop they know about more about Michael Jordan than they know about Snoop. They know more about fucking, you know, Penny Hardaway because of the sneakers. Yeah. Then they'll know about Biggie. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Just because of the sneakers. They won't. Actually, this is how you're feeding your family. And you don't want to know who the forefathers was there. So, but Nipsey did.

Nipsey always. And you can tell the forefathers was there. So, but Nipsey did. Nipsey always. And you can tell the ones who do. Right. Like, listen, like people aren't stupid. They know when you really love this thing. When you're a student of the game. When you really love it, it shows. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And when you really, and listen, just because you get money from something don't make you really, you know, the best. You know what I'm saying? Right. No, that's real. I think there's a lot of things that happen in hip-hop and around hip-hop. But, you know, we don't own enough, you know what I'm saying, to be able to control the narrative. You know what I'm saying?

And that's cool, though, man, because it's growing and it's feeding families and it's doing all this shit. But to still be here and be able to do this with you guys. Yes. Like, yes. I appreciate all of this, man. Yeah. Yeah. The next one.

Common or black thought? Black thought. Black thought. Yo, hip fire. It sounded like you were mad when Common dis-ice you. I don't know. Black Thought Black Thought Yo Hit Fire It sounded like you were mad When Common did Ice Cube I don't know Nah I love Common

I'm kidding I'm kidding I love Common You know what I'm saying Common is Common is Is an artist in his own right But if we talking about We talking about

Black Thought Black Thought is a fucking beast man We talking about a whole We talking about a A motherfucking A beast We talking about a And Common is a fucking beast, man. We talking about a whole... We talking about a motherfucking... A beast. We talking about a... And Common is a beast, too.

You know what I'm saying? Please don't diss me, Common, because I... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, I get it. But Black Thought is a whole... I think Common would say Black Thought. Yeah, he's a fucking...

No, I don't think that. I think so. No. I think so. Nah, Common ain't supposed to say I think so. No. I think so. Nah, you don't know artist shit. Because what I'm saying is, we'll say that. Well, Common, because he is such an MC, and he's ready to battle. Yeah.

At any given moment. Yes, yes. That's what I get. But he ain't ready to battle Black Thong. Oh, no. I think he'll come to Wood. But they're fam. They're fam anyways. Yeah, I know. I think he'll come to wood. But they're fam. They're fam anyways.

I know they're fam. Black Thought's a motherfucking monster, G. I think Black Thought doesn't get the credit he deserves, to be honest with you. He's a fierce MC. Listen, I know. You know what I'm saying? I know.

Look, there's a lot of guys. There's some masters of the craft that I feel like, you know what I'm saying, when I listen to them, that them motherfuckers is monsters. Royster 5'9 being one of them. Out of control. Black Thought being another one. Like, there's a couple guys that I really like. Wow, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I really appreciate what they do. You know what I'm saying? I really appreciate what they do. You know what I'm saying? We got it. Is Cardinal here? Cardinal official. That's one of my favorite MTs. Cardinal official. One of my favorite MTs is me right there.

Oh, thank you. It's nice. Dad, you got a personal roller too? I'm rolling my own shit. Nah, I ain't going to lie. I've been watching you. Oh, yeah. I've been seeing you put it together.

Yeah. I got hash and diamonds. And cocaína. No cocaína. Un poquito sprinkle. Kid Frost or Mellow Mayonnaise? Ooh.

Kid Frost. I love Mellow Mayonnaise. Shout love Mellow Mayonnaise. Shout out Mellow Mayonnaise. Without Mellow Mayonnaise, we wouldn't have Demrick. Demrick came from a relationship with Mellow Mayonnaise. That's how he got introduced to Be Real. That's how he got introduced to me. Yeah, because Mellow's Sendog's brother.

Correct. Yeah, and that's my Cuban peoples right there. Yes, yes. That's how he rushed this question. Kid Frost? Yeah. Yeah, and that's my Cuban peoples right there. Yes, yes. That's how he rushed this question. Kier Frost? Yeah. Kier Frost, he's the OG of that.

I'm talking about everything. On Ruthless. He was on Ruthless. Everything. Had the hit records, had the presence, had the representation, had the whole community behind him. That's still La I saw, right? That's what I saw. His son, Scoop DeVille.

Oh, yeah. He was on the show. He had a whole fucking phenomenal hits. Hip hop. It's like you can see how much Kier Frost loved hip hop by the way his son loved hip hop. Right. Because it doesn't even look the same, but it's the same. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? You get to see how real Kier Frost is from the way his son navigates and the way his son is. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He got a love for the hop that is deeper than anybody I've seen. You know what I'm saying? Alchemist.

Like that level of, you know what I'm saying, being into the hop. You know what I'm saying? That's fine, bro. I spoke to Alchemist the other day. Yeah what I'm saying? Like... That's another dude. I knew when he was running around... The hooligans? Yeah, the hooligans. You know what I'm saying?

Like, seeing him in the... Alchemist still think he can rhyme. Yeah. He was all right back then. I don't know if I'm bugging, but he was all right. I saw him then. Alchemist was never good. Nah, he was all right, man. Come on, man. At rhyming? Nah, he was like I saw him then You know what I'm saying Alchemist was never good Nah he was like

Nah he was At Robin Nah he was good man He took a shot at me So I gotta take a shot My brother By the way By the way

One of the greatest Producers of all time My friend One of the illest Ever man My brother man You took a shot Wait a minute

No you didn't take a shot No one even told you To take a shot What the fuck is this You didn't take a shot. No one even told you to take a shot. What the fuck is this? You didn't take a shot. Y'all better keep up. Don't just, yeah, yeah. I didn't just leave us.

Y'all better keep up. We've been here the whole time. You just started this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought this year was drink time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't even think. They'll warn us.

Hold on, hold on. I thought it was drink time. They're champions of drinking. That's how you know he got into it. He just, we didn't even have no shot. He's like champs, nigga. We're the champions of drinking. That's how you know he got into it. He just, we didn't even have those shots. He's like, hey. He's like, that's how you know we have a good conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ooh. Ooh. Man. So many oohs. I love the oohs, though. Sound like a hook. Ooh. Ooh.

Ooh. I mean, you got, you know, I Can't Stand the Rain. Then you got. I Can't Stand. Then you got. No, they're both icons, really. Literally. you know, I Can't Stand the Rain. Then you got. I Can't Stand. Now, they're both icons, really. Literally. You know what I'm saying? Then you get.

Oh, come on, man. So you're saying both? I'm not saying both. Oh. I think here I need to. You're taking a stand. I got to take a stand. Ooh.

I'm going to say Missy Elliot wow I didn't see that one coming alright even though I know the impact that that album had the miseducation of Lauryn Hill had on the culture and the Fugees and the Fugees

cause that's the only album. She only has technically one album. You keep saying that, but I don't... No, I just got to be honest. I get the Fugees as her album. No, that's a group project. That's a group project. I get it, I get it, but it's still, she's a part of the group. No, but the...

It's a part of her category. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is her project. Right. That's her. But her catalog would include her group project. I love having this discussion. That's why I bring it up all the time. I'm just being honest. In my opinion. I don't really discussion. That's why I bring it up all the time, just being honest.

In my opinion. I don't really care. It's the real answer. I just love talking about it. It's one album. And her group stuff, yeah, she was Lauryn Hill within that group. But Ice Cube wasn't Ice Cube until he was out of NWA. God damn it.

God damn it. God damn it. So you wouldn't give Ice Cube NWA either? Yeah, I'd give it to him. He was in a group setting. But it makes Ice Cube great. It's a standard on its own. Yeah, but without NWA, you don't have Ice Cube.

I understand. We're not disagreeing with you. We can agree with you and he can be right. Jesus. Don't get so hyper and then someone disagrees with you. I like it. He's like, yeah, fuck yeah. Disagree with that motherfucker.

No, no, no. Listen, listen. Listen, it's a group thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, they are. Like you're saying, they're chemistry. They're many pieces. Right, no. Listen, listen. Listen, it's a group thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, they are... Like you're saying, that chemistry is a group. There are many pieces of Tron

making one movement. So you want the solo thing to show them by themselves. When the solo shows, you're arranged as an artist. Okay. Right? Solo artists, right?

That solo project is what, like, that's your representation. So, Miseducation of Lauryn Hill was crazy. Crazy. It moved, it moved, shifted the representation. So, Miseducation of Lauryn Hill was crazy. Crazy. It moved, shifted the culture. Like, it solidified her as who she is now, right?

And then you look at Missy, and she's reinvented herself. Like, she just had one of the biggest tours ever with Busta Rhymes. Yeah, she's done that. That's not for Missy and Sierra. And Busta Rhymes. And Busta Rhymes. Sp, she's, yeah. That's not what just happened. That's not for Gaciera. And Busta Rhymes. And Busta Rhymes. Spooks them every morning.

And also, you know, the way that she has, like, you know when you see in a Missy Elliott production, you know when you see in the dancers, the choreography, you know what I'm saying,

the sound, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit is not easy to do you know what i'm saying and when you see the hard work that that's put into that like you have to be like listen you know i'm saying like i don't i don't want to hear about artists showing up late or doing that or doing all that shit when when there's other artists to be compared to that are putting in that type of effort right you know what i'm saying so that's why i gotta get and she's penned a lot of music.

Yeah, absolutely. And her pen game is sick. Her delivery is sick. Her work ethic is sick. Her spirit is sick. Her soul is fucking biggest life. You know what I'm saying? Did he pick?

Yeah. Yeah, he picked Missy. Okay. But now I know not to say Capone or Reagan tomorrow. Just start your career. Oh! N-O-R-E. Bring that to him.

That's him who said that. I know when shots are fired. Did you see the shots? It wasn't even shots. It was like a shotgun. Boom. Yeah, I speak fluent shade. He was shade room.

Yeah, I know shade. He was shade E. Shade E. Shade E. Shade E. Okay, the Chronic or Chronic 2001? Yeah, I'm ready to take a shot. Oh.

The Chronic or Chronic 2001? I mean, I would imagine you picked one you're on. Both. Oh, I like that. Without one, there's not two. Oh. Without the group, there's no solo.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, everybody. I'm just saying. It's Drinker's Man.

No, no, that is not the same thing. It is the same thing. It's not the fucking same thing. It's not the same thing. I'm with you. I'm sorry. Career doesn't start over here. Let's separate the tables.

No, that's not what we're saying. That's not what we're saying. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm sorry. Career doesn't start over here. Let's separate the table. No, that's not what we're saying. Yeah, that's not what we're saying. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm about to do it again. Okay, this one I'm going to love. All right. M.O.P. or Mobb D?

Ooh. Ooh, that's a good one. Ooh. Ooh. Man, Dansby hit me all the time, man. hitting me all the time Man we talk all the time You guys do an M.O.P. exhibit I did one

I just remembered it Yes we have a record with M.O.P. yes Absolutely I love that record too M.O.P. was on Relativity. Yeah, but that merged. That's why 360 Mafia came over to the live.

Okay, okay. Ooh, fuck. Man, come on, man. Fuck, dude. Okay, so the difference between Mobb Deep and fucking M.O.P. is, look, they both making gun talk records. They motherfuckers do gangster shit. Right.

So one is high energy, and that delivery is super loud in your face. M.O.P. you're talking about. Yeah, M.O.P. Yep. Mobb Deep is more laid back. It's crazy because they're both dual doing that, but on a different level. Yeah, it's both hitting, but it's hitting at the same kind of level, right? Thanks, man.

Yesterday. Sure. Mom D, of course, of the affiliation with the label mates. I got it. I got it. I got it. Ah, both.

Fuck it. Okay, just hit one or two. Yeah, man. I don't like swishers, man. Be careful. I mean, my lungs are still in the 90s. Yeah, we got it, man. Are we taking a shot? Okay. Yeah, we're taking a shot. My lungs are still in the 90s. Are we taking a shot?

My lungs are still in the 90s. My bad. I don't like this fucking shit. That's LA weed. Mixed with fucking Bible paper. This shit looks like a fucking grocery bag. What we got in there?

Diamond? You know what he said. What we got in there is a problem. This shit looks like grocery bags. You still smoking like this? Yes, I'm sorry is a problem. This shit look like grocery bags. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You still smoking like this? Yes, I'm sorry, man. My lungs never left 90. I'm sorry, bro.

I'm sorry. I'm going to get you some pre-roll. No, no, no. I fuck with the pre-roll. But you had the grenade too, right? Remember? Okay, let's move on. It's a smoke grenade.

Just FYI for FBI. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, you can get the next one. Snoop or 50? Fuck you. or fuck him too take your shot I'll fucking catch up after this wait take a shot

you fucking crazy your shots are always late bro it's like you uber eat your shots I like it yeah what's that shout out to you, Jamie. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you put some wax or something.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Oh, you try to get on it. Yeah, I like it. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Wax and hash. I think I drank it or something. All right.

I'm an old man. I usually smoke that to go to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't going to lie. I got blunts that I usually smoke that To go to sleep You know what I'm saying Like I ain't gonna lie I got blunts You do gummies Sonny D be having me do Hippie mood I don't know why

It's like Gummies is where it's at Hippie mood right here Shout out to Sonny Gummies is where it's at He works with them He makes me work with them If you wanna go to sleep

It's all good I like it I take this shit I go to sleep Listen if you wanna go to sleep Okay What is it Yo find your dosage

Either it's a 5 10 milligram You just find your dosage. Either it's a five, 10 milligram. You just find your dosage where you don't get up feeling groggy. Yo, I'm telling you how the best slip of your life. All right. See, I'm a hood nigga. So I don't know five milligrams and 10 milligrams. What is that? Half a gummy?

It's actually marked. It's a gummy art? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can cut it in half. Cut the gummy? Right. It's everything. Illegal cannabis.

You know exactly what you're getting at the exact dosage, and it's that way every time. Because you can't tell a nigga milligrams. Nigga be telling him, like, milligrams. That mean nine. I love how Sonny's going, yes, back there. Sonny's like, yeah, I weighed it out, yes. No, no.

Yeah. But I'm looking at my boy, Sonny. DMX. What was your relationship with DMX? Oh, you know what? That's crazy. Rest in peace, DMX. Yeah, rest in peace, DMX.

DMX, we met several times. I think we only had one real conversation. I would see him in passing. I seen him in New York at the, fuck, I forgot the name of that place. Not the Loud event. I seen him at the Loud event. Okay. Right?

That was one of the last times I seen him. But I seen him at the Loud event. Okay. Right? That was one of the last times I seen him. Okay. But I seen him a few times before. Yeah, the DOC. Yeah, it was the DOC screening in New York. For the documentary? Oh, wow. Yes, for sure.

Oh, damn. Yeah. And then... That's recent. Right, and then we did a show. I'm trying to think of the time when I actually sat down with him. And it's dope because I was able to talk to Swizz Beatz and have a real conversation with him for the first time

because we just did this record together for my album. Oh, that's dope. Yeah. With Dre on it. Yeah, exactly. And I talked. I remember we did a show, and he was on the show. Keep rolling.

And he came into the trailer, and we did a show And he was on the show And he came into my He came into the trailer And we had And we had a real talk And it was really dope To be able to just sit down And talk to Someone who

I've been compared to From the west coast You know what I'm saying You the west coast He's the east coast Because they both call it X That was the thing Everyone's X

So if you put A record called X Correct You spoke about this it X. That was the thing. Everybody's X. So if you put it together, the record called X. Correct. You spoke about this with him? No, no. We didn't talk about doing any music together. We just talked to each other. Right.

Just being selfish, thinking you got to talk about it. Just sitting down, just talking. Right. And he was a really focused dude, man. He was just really talking in a real positive manner. You know what I'm saying? He, man. He was just, like, really talking in a real positive manner. You know what I'm saying? He's deep. He was deep.

Yeah, he was a deep dude, man. And he did a show, like, his show, he started with a prayer. And it just felt so genuine. You know what I'm saying? It felt like he it felt like, it felt like he was like, I don't know, dude,

like dude was, dude was really dope. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, man. And so, so when I, when I think about like how I'm,

you know, did this shit with Swiss now, man, listen, dude, I never want to be, one to be like, okay,

cool. I'm not worth what I've done in, okay, cool, I'm not worth what I've done in music. You know what I'm saying? But for me, DMX and what he represented to New York, to the world, and how deep he was with it, man, the X is with him. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm X to the Z. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, but the dog, dog get the X. Wow. You know what I'm saying? That's great.

I respect that. All right, moving on. Busta Rhymes or Eminem? Wow. I don't write these questions. Dominicans and Colombians. You motherfuckers, man. There's a lot of cocaine over there in my mind.

I don't know. I've never actually searched. And they're selling it to each other. Back and forth. Back and forth. Yo, say that again. Say that again. Busta Rhymes or Eminem?

Busta Rhymes or Eminem. By the way, which will probably be the illest verses ever? Well, they got records together. Yeah, and it's real. No, I'm talking about like versus. Oh, versus. Oh, no. No, I'm not.

What are you doing? This is versus. What are you doing? We're just saying if that happened, I'm going to have a McDonald's McChicken. Front row. I love that goddamn Big Mac chicken. That shit is good. That's a crazy versus.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. It's not better than Trill Burgers, though. Trill Burgers. You didn't come to Trill Burgers. You were missed. Oh, thank you. Busta Rhymes or M&M? We got to take a shot, man. Why are you fighting?

You know and I know we would take a shot. man. I took a shot. Why you fighting? Why you leaving the witness? You know, you know, and I know. I took a shot. I took a shot. No, no, no. That's your drink. All right. Cheers. Cheers. Here we go.

I did my shot. All right. Jesus. Chunky. Hey, man, these little motherfucking cups are stacking up over here. That's why. See, you was counting his shots. You was counting those little ass shots.

That's why we do little ones, though. I'm on like one, two, three, four. Yeah, that's why you do little ones. I'm on six, nigga. Yeah, that's why we do little ones. I'm on six, nigga. Yeah, that's why we do little ones. I'm on six, nigga. God damn. Okay.

Let me take this one. God, he loves this shit. Go ahead. Yes, you know I love this shit. All right. Analog or digital? Ooh. Ooh.

Analog. Let me just point out one thing. Let me just point out one thing Let me just point out one thing You know I got a friend in here tonight His name is Warrior Flush Big up to Warrior Flush We got classic records together And when we met each other

His hood and my hood Wasn't vibing but In order for his Or the records that we got together to be classic, we had to be in that studio together. Yeah. He couldn't send me no record. I couldn't send him no record.

That's the reason why analog always to me, that whole era of analog when we had to be in the studio together with each other. Cutting the tape. Cutting the tape. You know, doing all that.

To me, you can't replace that. Ladies will never understand that process, how sharp you had to be to be on the mic at that time. You couldn't do takes. There was no takes. There was no let me do it over. You had to literally cut the tape.

There was no rewind. In order to cut something, you had to, in order to punch something, you had to cut the tape, record it again, have that brought back, spliced directly So it sounds right The motherfucker Who's doing the tape I remember when people

Got mad at you For making a mistake Like you know Making a mistake right now You'd be like Whatever But back then You'd be like

There was no dual You'd be like Babe You'd be like What the fuck But it was the sound too We always go back To the Quick interview

Where Quick said That he just felt That it was like The energy That was the Magnetic energy From the vocals it would take the studio would take everything into the bike that was going on in the studio i mean it was the energy though like like if if we had to do a record together like he had this he had to see me how to fill me he had the you know what i mean and then and then you know that that collaboration that would transcend on the record

i think that's the reason why I always pick analog. Yeah, no, analog has a warmer sound. Like, I'm sorry, but you got an album dropping in 2025. Yes. Did Drake send you that beat, or you had to do it together? We did it together. Okay, that settles my fucking case. You ready?

Yeah, that settles my fucking case. Because, look, Drake, you know, this guy's, you know, whatever, he can send you a beat and say, but whose idea was it for y'all both to go? Nah, he's got to be in the room to make sure he gets to where he's got to go. I feel like Drake does most of his records that way. Yeah. Yeah, you got to be in the room. And it's a privilege to be in that room. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you can't come in there fucking around. Right. So it's all fun and games until the music come on. Then when the music come on, they get, what are you bringing here? Why are you here? Right. Like, let's make something dope, you know? Right.

And that's the reason why you pick analog is because that face-to-face camaraderie is nothing like it. It's nothing like feeling that shit coming off the speakers. Yes. And you come from that. Look, it's like alchemy. You're creating a thought, something out of thin air. Out of the ether. Into making something that moves millions of people.

You dropping guns over there, Jamie? Yeah. Put your guns away. It's not like a gun, though. I'm going to be honest. Moving millions of people. There's not like a gun, though, I'm going to be honest. Moving millions of people. Right. There's nothing like it,

you know? I knew he was going to answer all the questions I knew he was going to answer. Biggie or Big L? Rest in peace to both. The lyricist in you is going one way. I know.

You feel it. Both are lyricists. What are you talking about? Chill. You let me finish. Calm down. But then the other side of you is you have relations. Yeah. Look how big that shit got.

So I'm prepared whichever way you're going. I don't know. You sound like you're leading the witness. I did not lead the got. So I'm prepared whichever way you're going. I don't know. You sound like you're leading the witness. I did not lead the witness. Did I lead the witness? I didn't tell them. Yeah, you're like, it sounds like this, but then it go like this. I like it.

I got it. Come on. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Let me clear my palate with this gin and juice. By Snoop and Trey. My soup and drink.

Yes, we are. We are sponsored. Sipping our gin and juice. Jimmy, how are you? What's up, my brother? How you doing? Yes, we are outside. Let me clear my palate with this sip of gin and juice.

With a sip of gin and juice. Look at the most interesting man. Ah, fuck. I'm going to say Biggie. Hmm? I'm going to say Biggie. Hmm? I'm going to say Biggie. Biggie? Yes.

All right. Any explanation about Biggie? Yes. Yes, I will. Now, Big L, he left before his time. Both. Both did. Both did.

I understand what he's saying. But you're right. I think Biggie got a bit farther. Yeah, of course. Right. I think what Biggie left on the impact of the game raised the bar so we can have, you know, the megastars that we have now. You know what I'm saying? He opened the door and the light to the vision of what all these mega rappers kind of emulated and became

and built a foundation for man that's real so big l to us is a hero because of his lyricism and his ability a lot of rappers can rap but not a lot of rappers have ability like something that is like standalone right you know i'm saying like something that is like unique to them like you know big L had that the way he flipped it in a way his metaphors and the way he was together like that was something that can't be emulated or duplicated although people took bits of his style and made their own as well, Big L was an originator. So, but what Biggie represented

and what his style was and how I remember saying to myself, he makes it seem so effortless. Biggie. Biggie. The way he put words together and his inflection and his delivery and his metaphors

were so smart. He had to use less words, which was fucking crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like his inflection, you know what he meant. Even when he was saying something that seemed lighthearted, it was very dark.

He had comedic timing in his lyrics. And he was probably funny as fuck. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like his sense of humor has been awful. I never met him. I met him one time. I never met Pac, so it's crazy.

I met him one time. Guess what? I met him one time. I was friends with Ron Hightower. Ron Hightower was this fucking porn director. You know what I'm saying, back in the day, right? Ron Burgundy? The original Ron Burgundy? The original Ron Burgundy.

Okay, I'm in. Ron Hightower. Okay. And so I was going to go drop off some weed to him, you know what I'm saying, and I went to the spot. And Biggie was there. He was standing. Sounds weird. He was standing. Look. Look, he was there. He was standing. Sounds weird. He was standing.

Look, look, he was standing. He was, nothing weird. You know what I'm saying? He was, he was standing on a patio.

Living in a different time, man. Yeah, different time. Okay. He was standing on a patio with a cane and he was by himself.

And so I was, and he was like, yeah, I was like, that's Biggie right there. I didn't fucking go talk to him. You know what I'm saying? I didn't go talk to him or nothing. He was just like, yo, that's Biggie right there. I didn't fucking go talk to him. You know what I'm saying? I didn't go talk to him or nothing.

He was just like, yo, that's Biggie right there. I was like, oh, shit. Okay, here's your weed. I'm out. You know what I'm saying? You were serving Big or Hightower? Hightower. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, that's the only time I saw him in person. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Did he have a kuji on? I don't know. I just saw him with a cane. I just remember the cane. The cane is close with a kuji. Yeah, just saw him with a cane. I just remember the cane.

Cane is close with a Kuji. Yeah, yeah. It's close enough. Close enough. Yeah. All right. And then I got to take a pee-pee, so I'll do this. Oh, man.

I was ready to rock and roll. Let me go first. Come on. No, no. It's my turn. Nancy. Michael Jackson or Prince? Stories with either one, if you have.

Oh, yes, I do have a Prince story. I have a Prince story. Where are we at? Oh, my God. Wait, do you pick first? Michael Jackson or Prince? Both. Nigga, I can't fucking.

Okay, I got that. Fuck this shit, bro. Are you kidding me? All right, so your story, please. Okay, so I got a story with fuck this shit, bro. Are you kidding me? All right, so your story, please. Okay, so I got a story with Prince. Okay, so there was like some kind of big party that was happening. Hollywood, Los Angeles.

We get in there. We're supposed to be there. We get in there. We're supposed to be there. We get there kind of early. We got to do something, you know, probably around 12, 12, 1 o'clock. And we sit in this section. And so we got this booth. And then, you know, my whole team is in the booth. I'm in the booth.

We're chilling. You know what I'm in the booth, we chillin', you know what I'm sayin'? And, uh... We see this big group of guys coming to us, and they're like, uh, you know, you're in so-and-so's section. I was like, what? You know what I'm sayin'? Like, what are you talkin' about? Like, we're here, we're supposed to be here, they told us to be here, whatever.

They're like, no, this is, like, designed for somebody else. And so then this nigga comes through in, like, this all-white motherfucking, like, this one-piece thing, you know what I'm saying? The nigga's like, he's like... Purple smoke? Yeah, no, like, it's this white one-piece, and the nigga

rolled through and then he he not saying nothing to us but I could clearly see the nigga standing right there

and I'm like oh shit you know what I'm saying like are we this nigga shit you know what I'm saying so

so the dude says yeah man he's supposed to come in he's gonna do this little thing nobody saying his name no no

nobody saying his name? No, no. Nobody saying his name. Okay. They're not saying Prince. You know what I'm saying? Right. And so I'm like, oh, shit. Okay.

All right, dude. So, hey, man, let's move on to this way. You're not saying his name either? Yeah, I'm not going to argue with Prince. You know what I'm saying? That's not a good look. I'm not going to be in the story, you know what I'm saying, behind the music as the nigga who got into a fist fight with Prince. Right. You know what I'm not going to be in the story behind the music as the nigga who got into a fist fight with Prince. You know what I'm saying?

Why they doing that? Like, okay, guys, just fuck out of the way. You know what I'm saying? That was the only time I saw Prince, but never met Michael Jackson. A lot of my friends, you know what I'm saying, Fred Rake has some really funny stories about him and producing with Michael Jackson. So you got to talk to Fred Rake. He got some funny-ass stories. Okay.

Yeah. Lady of Rage or The Brat? Lady of Rage. Rough and tough or Apple Puff? Absolutely. Okay. So I don't think we need to explain that. I think that was a one and done.

Yeah, yeah. One and done. Yeah, yeah. Yo MTV Raps or Rap City? Ooh. Ooh. Wait. Hold on. Yo MTV Raps or Rap City? Wow.

That's a lot of historic shit. Your show kind of deader than both. Yeah. Nah. Kind of deader than both. Yeah. Nah. Kind of. Two different things. Don't put that on. Two different things.

I don't like Norris Rational. Norris comparisons are like. Those are just timelines. He was like, fuck TRL. They look like two different world roles. He just flipped them against each other. It has nothing to do with each other. I'm fucking with y'all. I'm fucking with y'all.

But I do mean it a little bit. I'm fucking with y'all. I'm not fucking with y'all. I'm fucking with y'all. I'm not fucking with y'all. What was it? MTV or? MTV.

Raps or Raps City. MTV Raps or Raps City. UOMTV Raps or Raps City. Oh, fuck. That's a lot of historic shit that went down on UMTV Raps. When Tupac was starting in the Hughes Brothers? There's a lot of historic

shit that went down on Rap City. They're both iconic. I mean, I was on Rap City, too. I had a DJ gig on there. I'm gonna have to say both. Oh man. Oh, motherfuckers. Hold on.

I don't know why the fuck this shot doesn't look adequate. I'm gonna take a pee-pee. This shit wild. Holy moly. I'm gonna keep this going, bro. That's why I try not to go to the bathroom between the shots. See, the shots hit you when you jump up. That's the reason why I like moving.

You go to the bathroom, I be trying to hold it down. I can't because once I get up, but once I get up, that's when it hits me. He hasn't got up yet. He's sober still. Oh, yeah. It's going. When he gets up, he's drunk. I know because I. He hasn't got up yet. He's sober still. Oh, yeah. It's going. When he gets up, he's drunk. I know, because I'm drinking shots.

This motherfucker drinking energy drinks and all that shit. I'm going to keep it going, though. You guys have to catch up on your shots. Cool. Are you ready? Boys in the Hood or Menace to Society? Boys in the Hood or Ministers Society what the fuck is going on here bro

Eddie Giggs what up so you didn't go to the bathroom nah I gotta wait since I wanna come out the bathroom oh my god I can piss on them yeah you can yeah

you're like it's drink chance yeah Ministers Society I got to wait until someone comes out to baffle. Oh my God. I can piss on them. Yeah, you can. You're going to get a drink chance. Yeah. Minister Society. Right. Minister Society. All boys in a hood? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. DJ Mugs or Alchemist? Oh. Well, DJ Mugs. Because without DJ Mugs, we don't get it. Yeah, because Alchemist

is part of Soul Assassin. Right. Ghetto Boys or UGK? Ghetto Boys. You're rapid fire right now. White Clef or Will.i.am? Will.i.am. Dre or Quincy Jones?

Dr. Dre. New York or Miami? What? Take a shot. New York or Miami? I'm not a shot. New York or Miami? I'm not getting in the middle of that shit, nigga. We get into it all the time. Every day.

You know where I live, nigga? You know where we live, right here. Nigga, I got to go to New York, nigga. And you're in Miami, god damn it, Salo. It's fantastic. The South got something to say. The South got something to say. I love all my niggas.

Yo. You know what's fucked up? Y'all didn't even have Andre 3000 back when he said that. What are you talking about? They was in New York. No, I'm talking about y'all niggas in the South. I didn't see y'all on Twitter back then. There was no Twitter.

Exactly. It was MySpace. Exactly. I seen y'all nowhere. Everybody was like. they didn't understand it at the time I was gonna give you a good speech

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Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I mean, there's pros and cons of both because radio's programmed. Yeah. And by the very definition. Yeah, for sure. Team programs, you know. For sure.

So you got to pick your poison. Right, right. Yeah. E-40 or too short? Ooh. Ooh. Both. Oh, shit.

All right. Mean you? What the fuck? I can't do that. Come on guys Cheers I'm going to let Nori Have the last one

But Before he gets back The very last one Oh go ahead buddy Well I take a leaky weaky Nah I'll wait for you No just go bro I just did three and a half

Yeah Just the very last one I'll wait for you Oh my god Yeah it's okay I have a question Hey I got all the questions.

I always do it. Are we drinking? Yeah, you missed a shot. There we go. Let's take it from there. I think it was... The question was do I like

E40 or too short? I can't pick between those. Can't pick between those. Nah, come on. But listen, we got to, we can't be here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing gin. On a strip of the West Coast. Nah, fuck you, man. I was under strict instructions. No, nigga. No, nigga. No, nigga. No? Don't open it?

Oh, nigga. Just one. All right. All right, let's wait for EFN. That's why he tried to... But we got to stop with this shit then. Okay, all right. Because, nigga, this is throw-up season.

Listen, nigga, you... All right. Like, come on, nigga. I know what the fuck I'm talking about, nigga. Hold on, hold on. What did I start this off by saying? I study people's drink orders. You the one who ordered Hendrix gin.

I was going to be either or, nigga. Oh, see. See, DJ, I told you. I was going to make the decision when I got here. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did I drink? Nigga, that's just you. That's not how we take it.

Listen, that's not how we, let me say that. I said, ask him which one. It's going to be either or, nigga. Yeah, see, did I ask you? I can't have options, one. It's going to be either or, nigga. Yeah. See? I can't have options, nigga. I can't.

Yo, we've been scheming. Pause. We've been scheming on you for a week and a half. We've been like, yo, listen, he can't order both. Which one is he actually going to drink? I'm on line. I wish he had famous here. Nigga, I may be skating off some of these, you know, coming up.

You know, coming up here on a flight. Like, nigga, I may not. off some, you know, coming off, you know, coming here on a flight. Like, nigga, I may not. Like, you know what? Tequila was a bit much last night. Let me fuck with the gin. Yeah. You know, a little mixed drink. But, nigga, you can't just have one drink.

Nigga, one drink, nigga? By the way, you make perfect sense. No one's arguing with you. But I'm just saying, is some good shit Yeah absolutely Okay let's do it You gotta limit your night You gotta limit your night Man pour it up

Yo for a week and a half Once we said Which one is he drinking Cause remember he said Gin and tequila right Right And we've been scheming This whole week and a half

We've been hitting Mr. Lee And we told you to get Pacific answers You never gave us Pacific Answers, so you got a drink too. It was simply a choice. Simply a choice. Jamie, can you do us a favor? Now this is my request.

If it's okay with you. Absolutely. Come on. I like this shot. Holy shit. Chilled. A chilled shot. Aw, man, come on. You don't want a chilled shot? You want to go straight raw? Come on. Damn, dog. Okay, chill it. Let's chill it. You've never want a chilled shot? You want to go straight raw? Come on. Yeah, dog. But... Okay, chill it.

Let's chill it. You never had a chilled... The little splash, a little splash of soda, splash of cranberry. Okay, definitely not doing that. That's for him. I'm going to keep it

as raw as possible. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. I'll take the cranberry splash of soda. Yeah, come on, man. It's just a fucking drink. All right, fine.

Come on, man. All right, I'll take this. Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah, come on, man. That's just a fucking drink. All right, fine. Come on, man. All right, I'll take this. Wait, what? I don't have a drink. Yeah. What do you got? You got pineapple? I don't have any.

Just be like this. No juice? Damn, why you embarrassing us like that? What? What? Shit. You know we ain't got that. It looks nice, but it's not nice.

I just started scratching. We dress well. We dress well. We dress well. What's it say? You clean up well. It's not nice in this area. Okay. But what you want?

Listen, listen. Don't worry about it. Just chill it. Yeah, just chill it. All right. I like that. Oh, look, look. We got it. Just chill it. Yeah, just chill it. All right, I like that. Oh, look, look, we got it. Look, look, look.

What's that, Armin Soto? Oh! Shout out to Marple Studio. That's right. Shooter's good. Shooter's, huh? I'm sorry, I don't know what the fuck a shooter is. Just get the shooter.

Get three shooters. I don't want to get a shot at a drink, so it's like a shoot. Well, yeah, it's like a mini drink. I'm going to take a shooter is. Just get the shooter. Get three shooters. You don't want to get a shot at a drink, so it's like a shooter. Well, yeah, it's like a mini drink. I'm going to take a shot. You can get them shooters. I've been a shooter my whole life. I'm okay.

I don't want to be a shooter no more. I'm bowing out. I like that. That's a good one. I'm bowing out. I'll take a drink. You'll take a drink at a shooter. I'll sip it.

Yeah. Y'all loyal to your respect or no? No, I was waiting for you, sir. Go ahead, my brother. Yes, I want to take a shot with you. This is the only... Oh. Do not lead the witness.

I never lead the witness. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. Why? Wow, he said that fast. Loyalty is royalty. That's it? It is.

It's like I will. See, this is the only time that me and EFN feel like it's both. We'll take a shot. Yes, I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot because I feel like loyalty, respect goes hand in hand. Some people disagree with me and I respect that. Some people respect you when it's convenient. Right.

Some people respect you when they get something out of it. Right. The loyalty is different. Okay, okay. We didn't ask the Dominican Republic this time. We'll come back to the delegation in a little while. So loyalty to me is something different. That's something you can't fake.

You know what I'm saying? Like loyalty is something that comes from your spirit. It's like you do it when they're in front of you, when they're not in front of you. And, you know, being loyal to somebody, you know, is different. You know what I'm saying? So I pick loyalty out of respect because people lose respect. But would you like both at the same time

if you could have it? Nah, fuck your respect. You're like, fuck it. I don't give a fuck what you think about me. As long as I know I'm being an upstanding individual, you know, it depends on when you meet me. You know what I'm saying? Like, some people will tell you I'm the greatest thing on the planet. Some people will tell you I'm the greatest thing on the planet.

Some people will tell you I'm the worst thing that ever happened to them. Depends on when you meet me. You know what I'm saying? Because of what our relationship is. Whenever somebody loses a fight, they're not going to tell you that they lost the fight. Right, there's no positive.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, then everything is somebody else's fault. But for me, you know what I'm saying? Like loyalty means that whether, you know, win or lose, like that's who I'm riding with. And that's what's important. Right. God comes to you.

And God says, man, man, I want you to make the world straight. And straight, I don't mean that in like a sexual manner. I just mean, like, you know.

Only Nori would clarify that. That is the most dignified pause that I've ever heard. I didn't want to react to it, but it's just... That is the most dignified pause that I've ever heard. I didn't want to react to it, but it's just... That is the most dignified pause. It's only you that can say that. I don't mean that in a sexual way.

I worded it wrong. That was the most dignified way you could say, I don't mean that in a sexual way, guys. But if I did... But God comes to you and says, Acts to the Z, I want you to make the world narrow.

I'm about to say straight and narrow. Damn, man. I can't fuck with y'all, man. Hold on, hold on. Let me rephrase the question. Straighten out your question. Straighten it out. When God comes to you,

say, man, listen. Humanity will be saved by this record that you make right now. You specifically said that you wanted that. I don't want a shooter. Yeah, you like shooters. It's a little bit more than a shooter.

Yeah, you like straight it up. Holy shit. I thought it was under. I wanted it under a shot. I want it under over. Okay, but God says, X to the Z, I'm going to give you a producer and a feature. Dead or alive but this one song is going to be it what is that producer and what is that feature dead or alive and producer dead or alive too

dr dre and janis Joplin. Damn you. Why you gonna fuck me up like that? Yeah. The new Dr. Dre. Yeah. Janis Joplin. It ends there?

You said produce an artist. You can throw another feature in there if you want. Well, that's it. That's the feature. That's it? You got access to anybody else, too. I'm just asking. I just told you.

No, no. Don't shortchange yourself. Just in case. No. Have you heard Janis Joplin? I don't know who the fuck that is. I'm going to be honest. That's why I tried to change the subject.

Yeah. She ought to change it. Yeah. Do your homework. I got to do my shit. She is, she had a very short career. No, but it was. But it was massive, the songs that she sang. She sang from like the bottom of her soul.

And the way that translates through the speakers is something totally different. So do yourself a favor, listen to some Janis Joplin's Smoke a Joint, kick your feet up, and you're going to feel that shit. We're around Masi Shaday, Anita Baker. Nigga, this is like fucking,

this is yelling, screaming. Yo, this is energy coming out of there. Yeah, it's not Sade. Yeah, it's none of that. Yeah. My bad. My bad. Jesus.

Are you Googling right now? No. I put it in my notes. Yeah, Janis Joplin and Dr. Dre. I would like to hear that. Stevie Wonder or Lightning Richie? Who's Lightning Richie? It's Lightning Richie. Lightning Richie's off the chain though.

The light-skinned nigga that you know. The light-skinned nigga at the steakhouse. He's like, almost night, Lord. Almost, almost night, Lord. Did you see Snoop think Stevie Wonder? Stevie Wonder be FaceTiming Snoop? Yeah. And then Dre said he text him. Dre said he told him to text him.

You said who? Stevie Wonder or Limey Richie. Limey Richie. Limey Richie. Oh, Stevie Wonder or Limey Richie. They the same nigga. They're the same nigga. They're not the same nigga. I mean, Limey and Limey.

Limey and Limey. That's Stevie. Limey and Limey, I'm saying. Sorry, my bad. Limey's the best guy. We got a big good Limey person. Oh, shit, man. Let me see. Man.

Stevie Wonder, man. He's first, man. Stevie Wonder. I saw that coming. Right? Stevie Wonder, right? I would think so. Like Lionel Richie of Icon, you know what I'm saying? I always think who the other person would say the predecessor.

And I think Lionel would say Stevie. You got a reason? It's okay. No, I mean, just the preference. I remember growing up to listening to Stevie Wonder records. If we could get Stevie on, this is my dream, Stevie on Dream Champ. Oh, bro, that would be crazy. That's my dream.

He would say some crazy-ass stories. We had Isaac Hayes. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Steel J. Okay, hold on. This is where shit goes crazy. This is where shit goes south. I'm switching it up.

I'm switching it up. Come on, there we go. Come on, nigga. Come on, nigga. We're not shooting. Come on, nigga. You is where shit goes crazy. This is where shit goes south. I'm switching it up. I'm switching it up. Come on, there we go. Come on, nigga. Come on, nigga. We're not shooting. Come on, nigga. You're not shooting this down, right? Come on, nigga.

This is my idea. This is my idea. You shoot it down? Yeah. We shooting? All right, dude, don't shoot that. Don't shoot that. No, no, no.

We're not. Okay. See, we're not shooting. This shit going to go left. No, we're not shooting. We're just sipping. All right, go shoot it. Let's shoot it.

Let's shoot itpping Let's shoot it Shoot it Oh my That was good But it's gonna be bad But it was good It was good but it was gonna be bad It's gonna be bad

I'm gonna throw my fucking dunk That's the promo shot right there Why'd you do that I'm going to throw my fucking promo shot right there. Why'd you do that? Oh shit. Yeah. This is, this is where we do hip hop. Oh my God.

You break that. So let's go. This whole chest area is on fire. This shit is in the polka notes. Okay, man. Like, you know, when they go switch skin, and they light a fire. Yep.

Golden State Warriors. Yes. Rest in peace, Saphir. Oh, yes. Right. Yep. Did you guys ever intend to really make an album? Absolutely.

Shout out to Raz Kaz. I love him. That's my brother. Yeah, so we had a deal on the table, and I stayed with my brother Raz. He didn't want to sign the contract because- It was Raz that didn't want to sign it? Raz. Okay. Um, he didn't, he, he, he,

we stood behind him, but he didn't want priority to come in and take a percentage of what this new venture was. Cause he had a whole beef with, that's a big deal that he was dealing with. And they were trying to like, if he got, if we did a deal with us, priority was asking for a percentage of what Razzcastle was supposed to receive. Right. And he didn't agree with that. Right. Because he felt like they were already doing them dirty on his side of the records.

Why should they benefit off of what they had nothing to do with being a part of? Could he have not done a pseudonym? Like, a couple artists did that. Yeah, Razzcast, it was Exhibit Razzcast and Saphir, however you wanted to put it in order. A pseudonym. Right, you can't do that.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what we did. You know what I'm saying? But yes, we did some records, and there was a thing in place for us to do an album together. The records I heard were fucking amazing. No, it was fun. It was fun to do it, man.

I'm glad I was able to go see Saphir before he passed. I didn't realize he was from the Bay. I didn't know that. Yeah. I never knew that. I just thought he was an L.A. dude, actually. No, Oakland. You know, west side of Oakland.

And then he came up with Digital Underground, those guys. Absolutely. I didn't know that. And then, you know, he made a name for himself. The first album he ever released was— That's your brother, brother? Yes. No, that's not my biological brother.

People, yeah. We came up together. They were very close. Right, right. So his No, that's not my biological brother. People, yeah. We came up together. They were very close. Right, right. So his first album's called Boxcar Sessions. Do yourself a favor, go listen to Battle Drill. That was one of the first songs I heard from Saphir that really honed me into who he was. His voice, his cadence.

Yeah. Hell, man. Yeah, he was ahead of his time. Yeah. he was ahead of his time yeah he was ahead of his time you know um yeah shout out to sonny uh his brother i was there with him um he razzcast came up you know saying we we all got to be together so um he was in's Society, right? Yeah. He was an actor in Men's Society. So people that don't know his rap career, they know him from that. But he was an LMC, man. Yeah, he was phenomenal.

What part was he in Men's Society? Tell them. He's Cousin Harold. Yeah, and the house party scene. And he got shot at the stoplight. Yeah, but man house party scene. And he got shot at the stoplight. Yeah, but man, great loss. Yeah, man, but you know, death is something that we all know we have to deal with eventually. Eventually, all of us. But, you know, when it happens to people that's really close to you and

really right next to you, you realize a few things about yourself, like your mortality and, you know what I'm saying, where you are in the state of things. You know, I think my brother's in a better place. I think my brother

is not feeling the pain that he was feeling. And I'm glad I got to see him before he went. And I'm glad we got the record. Usually at this time you say a moment of silence, but, you know. No, we take a drink. Yeah, we take a drink. Saphir, the sauce, you know mad. take a drink yeah we take a drink you know Saphir wouldn't have wanted that

Saphir the sauce you know mad a drink or a shot I got a shot on you already a drink and a shot how about that a drink and a shot I'm sorry

but I would tell the fans out there go and check out all the records you guys did whether it was labeled Golden State Warriors

or not just check out Saphir's music don't worry about me that's a way to get in the gateway It was labeled Golden State Warriors or not. Or check out, just check out Saphir's music. Yeah, Saphir. But no, but I'm saying that's a way to get in the gateway. Yeah, Trigonometry from Saphir. Go listen to that album. I suggest you listen to Stay High and I'm in a Vest.

I suggest you listen to Boxcar Sessions. Yeah. Battle Drill being one of them you know he has a tremendous amount of music i think trigonometry is is one of my favorite albums from from sphere but then listen to you know he created the who writers you know saying his little brother sonny he created the who writers correct i did not know that absolutely that's his little brother wow yeah sonny i didn't know shot carl is a big yeah that's crazy on to the next level of the game i never put that together at all yeah absolutely yeah wow so let me ask you are you still having fun i am i wasn't for a long time. But I'm having fun.

Like, you know, I try not to bring my personal shit to the office. You know? I try not to bring. It's impossible. Yeah, no, it's not impossible. But it takes a real effort to not bring the personal shit to the office. I never want to bleed into the public or try to complain or do all, you know what I'm saying? Like, listen, like, with the people that I'm still around and the people that still fuck with me.

And, you know, life is funny, man. It'll show you a way. And then, you know, when people lose faith in that way, you get disappointed in the people rather than understanding the lesson, right? And so once I started moving away from what people thought, man, I started creating music for me. I started accepting things that were only healthy for me and not really tripping off losing the people or situations or relationships that had to tie me to anything else. And so now I'm having fun. I'm like really being able to hone

in on something that I love to do, being able to do it at the level I'm doing it at, still be able to, you know, have time for my family where I didn't have it before. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm picking and choosing the things I want to do, rather than doing it just to live. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a whole other thing, you know?

And it happens sooner for other people. It happens at different times for other people. It happens at different times for other people. But me in this place now, the people that I'm with now, the circle of friends I have now, the people that I have around me in business, it feels really good. You know what I'm saying?

Even when things are in chaos, I still feel in control. Which is something I have never felt in before. You know what I'm saying? Before. But I mean, that is something I have never felt in before. You know what I'm saying? Before. But I mean, that's just life. That's for everybody.

You know what I'm saying? But so yeah, I am having fun. I'm having fun. I'm feeling confident. I'm feeling powerful. I'm feeling like, you know, I can't wait to deliver this to y'all so I can fucking get my shit off.

You know what I'm saying? I can't wait to just deliver this shit off. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't wait to just deliver this shit, like, live. You know what I'm saying? Like, with the band.

Come and see me. Like, yeah, okay, you've been to one of my shows before. You've seen this before. You've seen that. Nigga,

come check me out. Just one time. One time. Just come check me out. Because I'm about to fuck you up. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I feel really, really strongly about what we've created.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know. What's your go-to song? My go-to song? Yeah, when you perform it. Ooh, shit. Now? Any, any.

Ooh. No, because I've been performing with a band now. So the band has been really good. A go-to song with a DJ, a go-to performing with a band now. So the band has been really good. Go to a song with a DJ, go to a song with a band. A band. No, which song is it? Oh, oh, oh. Is it different songs or is it the same one?

Enjoy the Night. Do you mean go to for him to perform? You know, like, you know, that's that. Yeah, I do a song called Enjoy the Night. With a live band or a DJ? It's the Napalm album. Yeah, I can do it called Enjoy the Night. With the live band? It's the Nipalm album. Yeah, I can do it either way. Okay.

But I like doing it with the band because there's different layers that we can add to it. So yeah, Enjoy the Night is crazy. You know what I'm saying? With the live band. Yeah, of course. Now, what's your favorite one with the DJ? Favorite one with the DJ? Yeah.

A State of Hip-hop versus exhibit. So, all right, all right, all right. This is me just being a fanboy. The video. This is what you get now. When you're walking through, it seems like it never was no take. Would you see what you get? Right., it seems like it never was no take. Would you see what you get?

Right. Yes. It seems like it never was no cut. Such a monumental video, bro. Such a monumental video. It changed the world. I was about to say hip-hop. I said hip-hop earlier, but I was so sure it changed the world.

Video making in general. It changed cinematography. Wow. If there was a cut, I can't see it to this day. Okay, let me tell you how we did it. Yeah. There was 13 cuts in What You See Is What You Get. I'm not sure if I want you to continue. Yeah, man, let him.

Because it's fucking on my childhood. All right. Okay, okay, okay. There was 13 cuts. 13. I know because we made them together. A guy named Gregory Dark was the director for that video. And I couldn't get anybody else at the time, video directors, to follow what I wanted to do.

So this is your idea yes right you um right script it out correct okay so Gregory dark all day right Gregory dark was a porn director this all he comes back a lot of porn going on Okay, I thought you had different porn directors. It's the same one, right? It's the same one? It's the same one? No, different porn director. Damn, all right, I tried to say it. Ron Hightower was different. Gregory Dark is a different porn director. So Gregory Dark was doing, you know, kind of skin flicks and whatnot.

Skin flicks? So he was trying to do, he was trying to break into, you know, like regular stuff. So he took on the video. And so he actually came up with the sequence to do the 13 shots. He said, we're going to do it with wipes. So what we did was we figured out, we walked the path first. We walked the path and found out cut points

from all of, I don't even know if I should be telling niggas how to do this, but we walked the path and we showed. Tell us when we edit it later. Right, right, right, right. We kind of walked each and found the perfect cut point, right? So we knew when we wanted to go inside and outside. So that's how we got from inside the house, outside on the street, down the street, inside.

So the cut was, the cuts were like outside the house, there's one cut. When the guy jumps out of the truck, that's one cut. Then when we get to the other truck, when the car passes in front of me, that's the third cut. When we walk into the place, that's the fourth cut. When I get on the stage, that's the fifth cut. You know what I'm saying? When I come off the stage and walk past the girl, that's the sixth cut. When Flavor Flays walks up, you know what I'm saying? That's the seventh cut. You know what I'm saying? When the alcoholics pull off and I turn around and I pick up the dollar off the floor, that's the eighth cut, you know what I'm saying, and then when I walk, when I walk past the car, there, if you look in the back, okay, so I'm gonna tell you something

else, go back and watch that video, when you look, when I pick up the dollar, and the guys start coming off the roof, and I start walking off of the, walking past the police car, a guy actually gets hit by the police car and flies him in the air. You don't see it because you're looking at me walking, but if you look at that car, a motherfucker actually gets hit and put in the air.

He gets up and starts walking. That's why we get to use it, right? Listen, listen. This is great. No, listen. That wasn't real life though, right? That's real life. Fuck it. Fuck, fuck. Go look back at the video.

We should have pulled it up. Yeah. We should have. The other car, they caught a car blowing up and so like walking out of the store. Yeah, it's 13 shots. But there's so many things. When I jump out the window, when the guy jumps out the window with a box and a box tips over, the box is empty.

But you don't even see that. You know what I'm saying? Like, look at that. Boom. He jumps out and the box is empty. There's so many like things in that video that you just look past that people just see this great video but I'm seeing like

the things that didn't it's like the Mario Brothers you know how Mario Brothers like you go back and look at Mario Brothers and be like I miss this mushroom I miss this but I'm being honest cause I looked I really like I was like, yo, you changed how hip-hop does videos. Yeah.

Like, it wasn't a commercial record. Yeah. It was a straight talking to you record. Yeah. But then hip-hop had to deal with reality at that moment. Right. Or how you did it. You changed hip-hop.

Do you know that? I know you're humble. Yeah, but you got to look at some of the other groundbreaking videos in hip-hop. Like, if you look at the Farside Drop video, where they did everything backwards. You know what I'm saying? Is that where your idea came from? No, no, not at all. That was done before.

And who's idea was it? That was my idea. That was your idea. Yeah, I wanted a one-shot video all the way through. Right? And so I kept trying to explain it to people, and nobody got it but Gregory Dark. Nobody.

Everybody was telling me, me oh this is too expensive you can't do it it's not gonna happen he did it and we did it with a very small budget wow yeah

so it was dope you changed the fucking game well I appreciate that man make some noise for motherfuckers back to the Z man did you ever think man um did you ever think hip-hop would make it this far

like right now we our biggest debate is kendrick on the superbowl yeah like that's hard i mean regardless of what side are you on the actual actual argument is hard. Right. No, I mean, absolutely. Nobody knows where hip-hop is going. Right? That's real. Nobody knows. You know? It may make a resurgence

in a way that... I mean, it's global. We don't even know where it's going globally. Correct. Globally, people have their hometown heroes around the world.

Right. Right? So, you know, I don't know where hip-hop is going, but I know being a 50-year-old genre, we definitely made an impact. Absolutely. And we definitely have a lot more of growth to take place. But do I know where it's going?

I have no idea. I don't understand what happens last week You know saying but I do know that the impact that we've been able to have in hip-hop is important and That I'm glad I was able to do it with the brothers that I was able to do it with right and and the sisters that I was able to do it with and I it with and and the sisters that i was able to do it with and i can't wait to to to be able to see where this goes you know even even after i'm done with hip-hop or hip-hop is done with me whatever comes first you know what i'm saying like i want to see what happens after this like what's what's the next chapter what Where does it go?

Does the Grammys, you know, become something that... Hammy's? Yeah. Hip-hop Hammy's? Do we separate genres in hip-hop? Do we have adult contemporary? We should. Do we have new artists?

Do we have... Is hip-hop expanding to the place where we can actually have different things that, you know, like show where other people are at? Because even though it's a 50-year-old genre, we're seeing the flunk of things. You know what I'm saying? Like rock and roll's been around forever. You know, punk rock's been around forever. And they have all their separate.

Right. Everything is all designed and organized. Are we going to do that for us or are we going to not let them do that for us? You know what I'm saying? I think hip-hop has to do it for itself. Correct. We can't let them

do it for us. Right, right. But who's us? That's the deciding factor. Okay. People would ask Rewind and Tom. What is that?

Wow. What is that? He said us is the Rewind and Tom. What is that? Do you want to be rewinding factor. What is that? Do you want to be down with Rewind? No, nigga. You ain't here for this.

I can't do that. I can't do that. Me and Xzibit are going to represent. You tell your shit. Yeah, a little bit. You tell your shit. A little bit nothing. Tell the truth.

No, nigga. Not a little bit. He don't do it a little bit. I'm in. Yeah, I'm in. I'm down. Nigga, hey, man. Look, I let my shit go, nigga. Yeah? Yeah, I don't give a fuck, nigga. I definitely don't do it a little bit. I'm in. Yeah, I'm in. I'm down. Nigga, hey, man, look, I let my shit go, nigga.

Yeah? Yeah, I don't give a fuck, dude. I definitely don't give a fuck. Yeah, we know you don't give a fuck. But why? Why? Why? Because I want to rewind my time.

Put it up, put it up, put it up. I want to rewind my time. What the fuck? Come on, like a motherfucker, man. Yes, man. Your ex-motherfucker Z, man. Yo. Is there anything you want to say to your fans, please?

Let's get up out of here. Man, I fucking love y'all, man. We love y'all, man. Hold on, hold on. Let's do one shot. We'll do one shot. Yo, man. All right.

One shot. We got him. We got him. We got him. Can we do a little gin, though? A little gin. One more. And that's it.

We got out of here. Alright, two. Two little gins. What do you mean? One little gin, two little gins. Jimmy Iovine got us locked down, man. Hey, man. Jimmy Iovine got us locked down, man. Yeah, man. Shout out to Jimmy Iovine.

Jimmy Iovine machine. Yo, yo, yo. How dope was seeing Jimmy Iovine, man? Yo, man. Yo, it's always dope to see, you know what I'm saying, a man show up. Can I ask you a question? How did you get to that front row? Because, I mean, I'm saying this out of ignorance.

We just show up and you're in the front row. I was so happy. Jimmy's in the front row. Yeah. Big boy's in the front row. We're I mean, I'm saying this out of ignorance. We just show up, and you're in the front row. I was so happy. Jimmy's in the front row. Yeah. Big boys were like, holy shit. How did that happen? We just walked in and sat down. Come on, man. I'm just saying, did someone tell you? Yo, this is happening.

Come through. Hang out. No, no. It was coordinated. That's what I'm asking. I know that you literally said that. I love that. I was like, oh, shit. It was coordinated. We all came together.

We all knew it was coming to that. We met up, got together, rolled over together, wanted to see the show. Y'all came out and actually killed that shit, man. I'm telling you, listen, listen, listen. Listen.

I was laughing because of how I knew, you know what I'm saying, Dre don't like to be interviewed. He don't do it. Yeah, we can tell. We can tell. Dre does not like to be interviewed.

All right, yeah. So he gave y'all love. You know I'm a nigga. You know I know how to be a nigga. So I was like, that's what I want. I told Ximena, when I saw him, I was like, his laughter helped us. But y'all did a great interview with them. And to see them two together and vibing and listening to that music.

The brotherly vibe. Oh, man. That was such a powerful moment. Where's the gin bottle? Look, I talked to Big Boy. I was sitting right next to Big Boy. And I was like, yo, this is a unicorn moment. You know who made me nervous?

It was Big Boy. Yeah. Because Big Boy's a real interviewer. Yeah, this is a unicorn. And he was there, and I was like, oh, shit. He's in the building, you know what I'm saying? Like, I look up to that shot. Yeah. Okay, cool still gin You fucking right we are Dale que tu puede Dale que tu puede Oh that was kind of good I love how he always says no And then once he takes it

He's like Yo And I got like a little citrus Wham to it Great story Exhibit Yeah I know But it's not

But compared to all the tequilas You don't know Yeah he's like Yeah uh huh You might have not seen A different liquor On this episode But now we got

Gin Yeah On every episode Express it You might have not seen a different liquor on this episode, but now we got gin. Gin. On every episode. Express it for my brother. Take a picture. And we got it. And we're going to take a picture and we're going to rub out.

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