Drink Champs - Episode 441 w/ 3rd Bass

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary group 3rd Bass! MC Serch and Pete Nice from 3rd Bass join us to share their hip-hop journey!  The guys share tour stories with Whodini, their differences w/ the Beastie Boys and more! 3rd Bass shares stories from the early days of Hip-Hop and representing the underground while having commercial success. Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!  Make some noise for MC Serch, Pete Nice of 3rd Bass!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: 🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's DJ EFN. And this minute, I'm going to make some noise. Now, when me and A.F. started this show, we said we wanted to give the flowers to the legends, the people who have been there for us, the people who have been there to pave the way, the people

who are pioneers, the people who are legends, the people who are icons. These people have paved the way for me personally. You know, from them putting on someone to putting on someone to putting on me. And all coming together From my home borough These are icons

When I seen these brothers on stage A tear came down my eye Because I realized how personally I wanted to see it It's got nothing to do with hip hop It's got everything to do with me Like I personally as a fan Was like yes motherfucker

You know seeing them on stage together Knowing the history, and knowing that they come back together, I humble myself, and I believe I made the phone call, and I said, I want to make this happen. I would like to be the first people to have you brothers together,

and give y'all flowers. That's the most important part. The most important part is not having y'all here, but having y'all, letting y'all know that it's time to praise y'all. It's time to show y'all how much hip-hop owes y'all. It's time to show y'all how much hip-hop appreciates y'all and misses y'all know that it's time to praise y'all It's time to show y'all how much hip-hop owes y'all It's time to show y'all how much hip-hop Appreciates y'all and misses y'all

And in case you don't know what we're doing We're talking about the one, the motherfucking only Third base of the motherfucking team Now one of these real colds I'm going to let Serge pop it because he likes to do that That's what she said by the way I'm going to let Serge pop in because he likes to do that. Yeah, that's that. That's what she said, by the way. I'm going to go with this one.

I'm going to go with this one. Yeah, that felt like it. Yes, yes. So, Pete, what's going on, my brother? You haven't been here. Now, this is how you know you're a class act. I'm rolling. Look at that. All right, so which one is this?

This is a Monte Crisco. I can tell from that. It's not a Leo Cohen Cuban. Okay, really? These are Dominicans, right? Oh, I remember when we smoked. Dominicans and Nicaraguanas. Yeah.

But the Cuban soil, I think, is different. Yeah. Just catching up. But Lior put me up on the Cubans, the Hoy de Monterrey way back.

I used to only smoke Cubans. And which one is this one? I'm sorry. That's a Monte Crisco. This Cristobal is dope. Okay. So what's the difference between this Monte Crisco

and it has a New York label than a regular Monte Crisco? I think I just was in Chicago. They had a Chicago one. So I think it's just a city. Oh, okay. I think it's as simple as that. So how long you brothers have been?

I think they got out of Brooklyn. You got out of Brooklyn? I love that. How long have you brothers, because I couldn't tell when you said, you guys said you wasn't on stage for 30 years together. Or if that meant you guys hadn't seen each other in 30 years, is that a big difference? Was it really that long? So I think Cassidy got a little excited.

It didn't seem that long. So we haven't performed officially on stage together in probably close to 12 or 13 years. We You can tell me from Queens that's a movie podcast. You gotta do a Queens to 12 or 13 years. We talked about that. It's like a movie podcast.

You gotta do a queen and do some shit like that. I'm just letting you know. You still got it. Far Rocks to the cast. Far Rocks to the cast. I saw him do that in Goldfinger for John McAfee. Can you

do what you said? A little more. I gotta let them know It's down to the Thugboro That's right man No but You know so It really had become like After that show

You know life happens You know what I'm saying After the recent show Yeah this was like 12 years ago after that show, you know, life happens. You know what I'm saying? Like, and, you know, Pete was... After the recent show. Yeah, this was like 12 years ago. Oh, okay. So what happened...

Go ahead, no. It was 30. Okay. We kind of do this every 10 years. Okay. You remember the first time? You reunite every 10 years?

Yeah, Vino, Say Adams. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. So Say, for those who don't know, Say did the Biggie album. He did a third bass album. Yeah, the legend, yeah. So Say, for those who don't know, Say did the Biggie album. He did a third bass album.

He did the Redman cover. Wow. He did Ready to Die. Like, he's a graphic artist. I mean, major writing. He's going to have an exhibit out here during Art Basel. Exactly. Right on the pavement.

And he's actually in this show at Museum of the City of New York right now, too. Right. Martin Wong. So Say somehow finagled the fact that he got me and Serge on the phone together, not knowing that we were going to be on the phone together in 1999. Okay, wow. And he got us to come back and we did Woodstock. Wow.

So that was the first time. In 99. So what happened was, so we, at that time, our agent was also a guy guy named Johnny Padel. Okay. So Johnny's also the DJ Cassidy's dad, right? Okay. Cassidy Padel.

Dad? Dad. No relation to Burt Padel. No, no. Like dad, P-A-D. Oh, father. Really? Oh, I didn't know that.

So yeah, so Johnny Padel, who used to book us and Mark D. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know. I never knew that. So yeah, so now you're in William Morris. That's Cassidy's dad. Okay. That's how actually me and Pete met Cassidy when he was nine years old, when he used to

come to my house in Long Island on the way. That's how we started DJing. We knew Cassidy was lying when he told us that. Yeah. No, I'm just playing. When we got to 99, we did a couple of records. Cassidy was like a little kid in the studio. That's how I knew Cassidy.

So he was like, yo, do you guys want to do Woodstock? And we were like, why wouldn't we want to do Woodstock? But the thing that was really funny is they paid us $1,000. Wow. So I still have, because I thought it was more, I still have the check that I didn't cash, paid to Third Base, which I can't do anyway because there didn't cash paid to third base, which I can't do anyway because there's no account that says third base, for $333.33.

Oh, because that was your split. Right. So we go to Woodstock to do Woodstock and it's the opening day. It's like Thursday. And everybody's all the way on one side. We're all the way on the opening stage.

What was it? George Clinton on the other side? Wow. But later, right, later. But we were like literally like the opening for this stage. So DJ Eclipse, who was with us at the time, he's just started spinning records. House of Pain, Rakim, and all these people start moving towards us. Moving towards us, moving towards us. And we rocked. We rocked.

Then we went to Europe for a little while. Did some European dates. Tried to do an album. Babito was behind that. Stretching Barbito? Yes, Barbito. Always got basketball shorts. Always doing ball-hailing drills.

And we started recording for an album called Kabad's Cranium, which was always going to be the third bass album. Just never happened. You know, life happens. You know what I'm saying? But I remember at that time, I just didn't see you guys together, but I never remember hearing rumors of you breaking up. It wasn't until recently that we heard you, like,

it was like you guys wasn't coming together and then seeing you guys recently so was there like a certain thing that happened for you guys not to be around because i listen i'm a part of a group too and i say it's just me and capone being together it's the same thing as wu-tang getting together there's nine different personalities even though it's like i didn't know this shit so i'm just asking you guys like was was there something i mean it wasn't that it was something i think what for me at least and i can just share my perspective is that you know i was in a place where i wasn't really doing some great listening like i can take responsibility for the great listening you said yeah like i wasn't i just wasn't a great

partner you know so at least for me my perspective perspective, and I can take the, you know, I can admit my faults and, you know, say this was the reasons for the demise of our partnership was I wasn't, I wasn't in a good place. I wasn't in a healthy place. You know what I'm saying? Like I wasn't listening right. I was definitely basing a lot of my decisions on ego. I was basing a lot of my decisions on my wife and my relationship. And the truth of the matter was, I wasn't thinking the way a partner should think. So everything was kind of off kilter for me. And looking back, obviously, because I love that Muhammad Ali saying, he says, if you're the same man at 24, then you are at 54. You wasted 30 years of your life, right? So I can sit now here being a little older than 54 saying, you know what? I'm not at that place anymore. And I can look back and say, I'm not going to be that same person today, right?

So a lot of those are the reasons why we couldn't coexist. You know, I have to, I have i have to can't let that go okay that's big but also the fact that me and rich when that riff was there we didn't think that russell and leor would actually even let it happen like you know like let us split up because they could have forced it but you know they helped you know just they, let us split up because they could have forced it. But, you know, they helped, you know, just they were like, oh, they want to do this. They made up their mind. You know, that was basically so. But listen, me and Rich had some of the same things going on at Search.

Rich Nice? Daddy Rich. Okay, my bad. Rich, he was in the house. Okay, that's right. That's right. That's right. So, but, yeah, so, I mean, it's just maturing over the years.

Right. You know, I mean, but Searchlight had a whole history even before that. So that's the crazy thing about us going back to when we met at the Latin Quarter. So, you know, and now, you know, looking at it today. Not the gentleman in Far Rockaway. No, no, no, no, no. So he was in Floral Park. I was in Far Rockaway.

But we always ran into each other. Like, we would no, no, no. So he was in Floral Park. I was in Far Rockaway, but we always ran into each other like we would cross our paths at Latin Quarter. His first MC partner was a guy I went to high school with who was like the first white rapper ever. Kid named Vanilla B, a.k.a. Keo, great graffiti artist,

Lord Scotch. Blake Latham. Speaking of Scotch, we got your blue label. Salud, like to say that But that was the other thing that really was like To me was the apex For me was Cassidy's show was on November 8th

That was the 35th anniversary Of our album release party Wow That Clark Kent DJed and Clark died the week before. Rest in peace. And Clark is really the connective tissue between me and Rich and Pete. Dana Dane, I went to high school with, he was Clark's DJ. You know, Clark was his DJ.

You know, Pete met Clark. They did a radio show together. You know, Rich. Before Stretch of our Vita. We had the first show at wkcr and then clark introduced me to richie rich who you know arguably the best show dj in the world i mean like we we guarantee if you put daddy rich out there with 10 minutes sets on tour right you're guaranteed the crowd goes it was this one time like you can take a break. It's great. You remember this comedian, this Mexican comedian, like, what was his name?

Rodriguez. Like, he was Paul Rodriguez. Yeah. Paul had a big show. Like, he had a talk show that, like, NBC was putting stupid money. It was the first bilingual show. After Rich did Arsenio, this motherfucker built this shit with, like, cameras on all angles and, all angles to watch him do his tricks. Oh, wow.

When Rich battled in the world supremacy, he did a 43-inch vertical leap over turntables. You know what I mean? It's without missing shit. You know what I'm saying? Some Superman shit. So Clark was the connector between all of us. So for Clark to die and not be here, and it's November 8th, and it's that 35th anniversary, and it just, all those numbers made sense to me.

An album coming out, like, you know what I'm saying? Right. And, you know, I hate to do it. No, do it. Do it. Do it. But I'm just saying. You know, it's something that sells, right? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. It's a collector. Right there, you know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, you know what I mean?

So, you know, you know, it just it just made all the sense in the world, you know what I'm saying? And Universal now, like, really stepping up, releasing the record the way it always should have been on a double album. You know what I'm saying? Like, really, it felt like the right time. It just felt like the right time, especially because Cassidy and our history with his dad and Kaz and, like, my family with him. Like, he's family to me. Like, my kids call him Uncle Kaz. You know what I mean? So it just made sense.

You know what? I remember Chuck D. We were on the road with Chuck. Well, they all got money now. We never had money back then. That's what I'm thinking about. So we on a road with Chuck. Well, they all got money now. We never had too much money. That's what I'm thinking about. So we were on tour with Chuck. We were on tour with Public Enemy.

It was like Public Enemy, Digital Underground, Big Daddy, Kane. And we were in the South. And I see that two live crews on the show. And I used to love to go up and see order time, set time. And I remember that I'm looking at the run of show. And it would always be like, you know, Kane, third base, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it was always Public Enemy.

So this show, and we're in like the middle of nowhere. I think we're in like Baton Rouge or somewhere in New Orleans. And it's bong, bong, bong, Public Enemy 2 live crew. So now I'm hot. Yo, I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

You don't get to see no titties you don't get to see no titties who the fuck would fuck this up like PE closes the show I'm from New York I'm a queen star of bread ain't nobody closing over a fucking public enemy and I'm mad

so I run into like brother Mike and brother James from the S1Ws I said yo they made a mistake and I said let me talk to chuck chuck comes out and i and i'm as i'm he says he just said he waved the matumbo at me he did the matumbo and he said hottest group closes and he closed the door that's all he said to me and i said what the fuck does that mean hottest group closes we get on. We do our thing. Kane goes on to

his public enemy comes on. The fucking place is moving. Whole venue moving. Man, the second they get off the stage, all of a sudden, there's about 50 cops all around the stage. For Luke or for them? For Luke. For two live crew.

Them boys come out. Them boys come out. They get on stage. And Luke just says one thing. Hey, these motherfuckers are going to throw us in jail if we say any cusses. So we can't do the cussing. You do us for it. Hey, we want to put 22,000 people dancing right here. Oh, that's Jesus.

He didn't curse. They didn't say one fucking word. One fucking word tore the bitch down and said, good night. They didn't say one doesn't work. I want to rock. I want to pop. Didn't they get arrested on one of the other shows? One of the other shows they did, but that was because of fighting.

There was an assault thing. But, yo, it was crazy. Like, and it made me realize me realize like when you're on tour hottest group closes when we were on tour like on during the dialect we're on the west coast with cyprus we're like y'all close y'all close like because you know when we brought them on right yeah when we brought them on pigs was their first single like no one was really fucking with it when we got to the west coast like that's all you heard every fucking cholo was bumping that shit right so we're like yeah y'all close so let me ask y'all we had dr dre and snoop and dr dre i asked him something

that's something that been like kind of bothering me i was like you said that the firm flopped and i can literally see dr dre put his head down and he was like i shouldn said a deferring flop. And I could literally see Dr. Dre put his head down. And he was like, I shouldn't have said that, right? And it's like, all these years later, he regret. Do you regret putting certain people on the gas face? Who got the gas face, obviously. Like, you ever talk to Hammer all this time? No, I mean, but honestly, I think that like, and again, this is just me. This is my path.

You know, 11-11-24, I celebrated 13 years of recovery, right? So, like, for me, so, one of the big parts of my maturity is making amends, right? Like, that's a big part of, like, being able to speak to people and be able to make amends and say, look,

this is what I did wrong. This is the responsibility I take for my behavior. Right. And this is how I act differently. It's not about apologizing. Right. Because you can be a sorry motherfucker your whole life if you don't change. Right. Right? So for me, it's not about apologizing. It's about, look, I acknowledge I did this wrong and moving now,

this is how I act differently. Right? Right. I would make amends to Hamill. Right. Because I see it from his side, right? And I can honestly say this for 99% of it. Pete's line, that shit was hard body. Let's be real clear. That lyric that he

dropped on Hammer's head is hard body. You blaming it on Pete? No, that's for Pete. He did name his record, Turn This Mother Out. Right, and he said, yo, a prickly pear in a stank hole, the cactus turned Hammer's mother out. Yo, that shit was hard body for us. And I was arguing with him straight up on the radio with K-Day with Greg Mack.

He sabotaged us and put Hammer on live. Right, well, he ambushed us on radio. But the point was, like, we didn't think of that line literally because that's how mcs did like we had double entendres all the time we didn't think his but he would literally take it like yo we're talking about his mom search isn't taking it back to the essence take it to the essence yeah please it's 1988 i'm there before we have records out search would try to get us on anything so search got us on the road with Houdini. He's fine.

Judging a dunk contest in the full force basketball game in Oakland. And we're there with this dude, Greg Butler from the Knicks, and the other dude from the Warriors that passed back then. And this little kid comes on halftime, starts dancing kind of like Hammer style. Boom. Then Hammer comes out, right? And he had a Cadillac filled with, so he was pumping his music out of his Cadillac. This one, he was, what do they call, ball boy for the Oakland A's.

So he had a Cadillac and he had a trunk full of music. And everybody was like, oh, that's the hottest kid in Oakland. Right. And, you know, Serge, in the record, he said he had a soul coming out of his asshole. He wanted to battle Hammer. Hammer had no idea who the fuck we were and he just, like, pulled us off.

And we actually caught him outside. He was in a drop-top Benz with that kid Dante. I even got a picture. It was in his hometown. So that was just a playful type it was like we all danced paddled

right after that we actually were with him, met him talked right in front of him but then he just run with the whole you ain't hidden in New York that's where our whole dance of Hammer started.

And that's where we were just pretty much defending, you know, the guys who created shit for us and Rush. And that's absolutely right. Yeah, absolutely right. That's why you saw DMC and JMSJ in the Gas Face video. Kick that fake hammer. But I want to establish something, Search. You wouldn't have won the dance I can fucking dance my ass off. What the hell is that? Go white boy. Go white boy. He had to go white boy.

Paradise used to throw him on stage at the LQ first, right? Before he was rhyming the records out. Just with the go white boy. We'll bring it down. Yo, he would've got served. He would've got served. In Oakland, in the Bay.

No, but I was really nice. I was really nice. Yeah, we might have to bring that back to today. But the point is. Tyson Jake Paul's on his knees. But the point is now, you know, obviously where I am in my life today, like I would make amends to him. Like, because I know that must have been like.

So never spoke to him. Never met. Never met. Never spoke to him post that. Wow. Yeah. And how about, what y'all talking about?

Leo cones. Yes. Elroy. Elroy cones. That was Leo cones. That was Leo cones. Did y'all ever make amends? Because that's like,

that's like the first battle disc record. Well, first of all, that really was like a, do you know forever? There's someone who comes with Leo. You get the first battle disc record. Well, first of all, that really was. Do you know forever that someone won't come to Lior? You get to get ass-faced. Like, forever. He still does.

He still does. Yo, so he got the City of Light honor. Yes, yes. Right? So it was all the Def Jam artists. That's what I went? Yeah, that's what you went. I performed for Cassidy. He says to me, he goes, motherfucker, they still call me Elroy, motherfucker.

No, he said it like this. They still call me Elroy. Sir, do you know they still call me Elroy, you motherfucker? You motherfucker. I love you, sir. You motherfucker. You call me Elroy to this day. You know what's crazy about that?

He deserved every bit of it. You got to tell me that part. On one part of that, it's like, damn, you dissed me. But on the other part of that, you made my name live forever, too. So it's a good and a bad. But how did Lior get the gas face? How did this Elroy, excuse me. Well, you dealt with Lior.

Yes, yes. I had nothing but pleasure dealing with him. First of all, you go up into Lior's office. He's got a big cutout of his fiance behind him, who was a singer at the time, EK. Oh, okay. I don't know this Leo Cole. I don't know what happened. Yeah, that's right.

This is 298 Elizabeth. Patrick Moxley was his assistant. So he's like behind him in that little back office. And he's just screaming at people. One time we did, they had us do a rave. They wanted us to do a rave in London. In London. And there were literally like two Nigerian princes who came.

We were in the rush office with them, and they were pitching this whole thing. And Leo's like, I want to get $20,000 for Public Enemy, $10,000 for Third Base, $10,000 for De La Soul. And these guys are guaranteeing everything. And I actually had the other guys. Picturing this is wild. No, 10,000 for De La Soul. And these guys are guaranteed and everything. And I actually have the other guys. Picturing this is why. No, no, no. Let me just rewind real quick because there's an important part of this. Yes, rewind.

There's one really important part of this. Public Enemy were supposed to perform the night before. In London for the Nigerian feast. Right. So they already paid Public Enemy and they didn't perform. So he was like, if you want them again, it's going to cost another $25,000

plus for this group. And he's like, if you do not get the money to me, your father will send you back to the bush. Oh my god He was brutal

That's a little wild Who's being brutal? Leo? Let me just say That's wild Literally when you talk about how we talk about the bag No, he had a bag A brown paper bag

A Nigerian guy A brown paper bag with 50,000 guy. No, Lior. Lior, okay. A brown paper bag with 50,000 bands. And what he said to me and Pete is, they will go back to the bush and get me my money. Another time, he No, no, no, no, no.

So Pete leaves the room and I go, yo, can I get $10 to get something to eat? And he peels me off $5. Lior. Holy shit. Lior made me sign promissory notes maybe even for my first born like he never lost a dollar to a rapper he never left a penny

on the table that dude never lost a dime he never lost a penny he never left a penny on the table I remember walking is this bus management do you remember when He never left a penny on the table. I remember walking in. Is this Russ Management? Is this Russ Management, Leo? Do you remember when Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince had the 1-800 number?

Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about a stack. Okay, so Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, because of New York, had a 1-800 where you could call them and they would wish you a happy holiday. I thought Mike Jones was the first nigga that did that. Who? Mike Jones. He actually gave his number.

He gave his real number. Mike Jones. Oh, yeah. So we went into his office. Mike Jones. He got me. He got me. He got me.

Go ahead. So we go into his office. There's a stack, a stack of checks made out to Jazzy Jeff and the press prints. 22,000, 24,000, 16,000. A stack this high. Like, he knew how to collect money. He got 20% on that too. Yeah, of course.

But he was a monster when it came to that shit. He never left a penny on the table. And that's not a bad thing. Right. Especially when he's working for you. When he's working against you, it's a fucking nightmare. So where did you guys, where did the beef come from? How did he get the gas face?

No, he got the gas face because he was a pain in the ass. It was like a turn of endearment. Like, yo, we're on the daylight without David Scrubb. Right, Dante needs a haircut you know what I'm saying like an inside shot out joke yeah I get it now

I was wrong at the time I thought that was real I thought anybody who got the gas face was real I thought they would never squash it with y'all at the end it seemed you were just roll calling people that were your people you called the leader of South Africa P.W. Bolton I thought they would never squash it with y'all. At the end, it seemed you were just roll-calling people that were your people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We called the leader of South Africa P.W. Bolton.

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Damn, well, I know what this is. I'm one of the curators at the Hip-Hop Museum with Paradise from X-Clan. So my life is just hip-hop history 24-7. I know what this is. I'm one of the curators at the Hip Hop Museum with Paradise from X-Clan. Oh. So my life is just hip hop history. Shout out to the museum, man. So I find myself as much as like 1986. Milk Crate Cattle.

Right at the time that Eric B. and Rakim came out. Like I would say that would be. Golden Era. Probably the top like slice of time. But I really, but I really if I had to go back in time machine, I want to go back to like 75 at the Evil O with Kuhler,

Clark Kent, all those guys, DJ Smokey, and all these other guys who were pivotal in the history of hip-hop that no one knows about. And no one knows about it. Yeah, yeah. You got to do your job and get up. Fuck, am I stopping?

But that's the Spike era, right? That's the Spikes and the dog glasses and the S-curls. No, no, no. That's really like the A.J. Lester, you know, pimp, you know, uptown, like, Coke the Rock type thing. Like, you know, when Coke the Rock tells people, you know, Herc was from Jamaica, he didn't know how to dress,

I had to take him uptown to AJ Lesnar. Coke the Rock, that was the album, they say, the other DJ. He was the equal DJ with Herc, but he also would talk, Herc would talk too, but... They credit him to being one of the first MCs. Exactly, and, you know, there were a number of them. But Coke would say,

I would take him to AJ Lesester to get the flash hit. And when I was working with Hurt's brother and he had a shoebox full of all these receipts. And there's like cool Hurt's receipt from 1975 from AJ Lester. So I showed it to Coke. He's like, I told everybody I took it there. So going back in a time machine to that age would be for me. You know, that would be the tops. You know what Serge would think is tops. Okay. You know what Search would think is?

Hold on, I want to ask you one more time. Yeah, yeah, go. But Swiss Beats calls tomorrow and he says, I want you guys

to do verses. You guys pick your group. Who are you picking? Well, first off, I want to get Swiss Beats and Alicia Keys. They bought the Kool Herc speakers, which were actually

in talks with them to try to loan them to the museum to actually use within our organization. They actually got acquired? That's fine. I've never heard this.

You just blew my mind away. They had their Giants exhibition that's going around the country. Hercules speakers are in that exhibition. Wow. But with the verses, yes. Third base against who? Oh, third base. Yes.

You go solo too no no no I thought you were talking about non third base no no no third base just in case you have third base I don't know if you know yeah let's see I think X-Plan third base would be probably the

ultimate I think now obviously we had you know Sugar Chef Professor X Professor X, The Seas. But, yeah, that would be, I think that would have been. Because as much as we had beef with X-Clan, I mean, we both loved Brother J. Like, Brother J was, like, one of our favorite MCs. I think also there's a, you know, with La Mumba, May He Rest In Peace, and Paradise, you know, there's a lot of love there. You know what I'm saying?

Even though they were like, how can a bowl of beer swing with the gorillas and all of that shit? I think it was all like... Who were you with? I mean, for me, it's easy. It's EPMD. I was thinking more EPMD.

Yeah, third base EPMD. To me, third base and EPMD. Only because... I was thinking Nice and Smooth too, for some reason. Nice and Smooth too, yep. Yeah, Nice and Smooth would be great because we did records together. To me, but, you know, I think that it's really challenging for us because at the end of the day, we're two albums deep.

And that's the crazy shit. Like, if you think about the 35 years... Look at Kid N Play, I think they got one album. Right, one and a half. And no one knows that. Right, House Party. and a half. No one knows that. House Party. Lauryn Hill got one album. But she had also...

When we say Lauryn Hill, we gotta keep it. She can perform Fuji records. She can do Fuji records. She got that big cap record. When she bodied that shit, she said, I'm fucking woman up to make that whole verse. It's crazy. But to me,

it's EPMD. EPMD is smooth to me. Those are both good. What about you? If CNN got back together, who would you want to do verses against? CNN. CNN versus CNN. Yeah, it's none of us anyway. Right. Yeah, just I'll be in your minds. Yeah. In your minds. I'll be

against the Spanish version of Nori. And then like, like against the Spanish version of Nori. And then right. Then the Spanish version of Nori. And then the Pharrell version of Nori. Right. And then the Cabona Noriega version of Nori. We can actually pull it off and we can be in the same state too. Yeah.

That's pretty impressive. I killed that one. So is it time for the flowers? Yes. Yes. Okay. Our, is it time for the flowers? Yes. Yes. Okay. Our show is about giving legends. They flowers where they can smell them.

They trees where they can held them. They thoughts where they can think them. And they drinks where they can drink them. We were so happy to see you brothers back together. So happy because I said this to Dr. Dre and I'm saying to you guys, I said to Dr. Dre, life is better when he's making music and life is better when third base is in the motherfucking game. You know what I'm going to say it to you guys. I said to Dr. Dre, life is better when he's making music, and life

is better when third base is in the motherfucking game. He owes me this just for making me go to the house of fucking athletes to sit in a room for three hours. My guy. I fucking love this guy, bro. It's great to see you guys together, man. It really is, man.

It's really beautiful. Thank you. I really want to see you guys on tour. Since we're giving out flowers, I got something for y'all. Okay. Okay. Okay. Since we're giving out shit.

You're not taking back this record, are you? No, no, no. You shouldn't have that. I just figured you want maybe one other one. Oh, I'm in. Okay. Yes. I want one.

So there's two copies that came out. This is limited edition. I got to crack it open also, right? Okay. That's how you crack it open? Like a Nintendo cartridge? Yeah, exactly right. So, you might want to...

I'm going to let you check it out. Okay, yes. He knows. He's going to take it from me anyway. He's going to give it to me. You got green wax on here? He always bullies my vinyl. He think I don't know.

So, that's a limited edition green. That's beautiful. So yeah, so the link on the bio, link is on my MC Search bio. It'll be on Pete's bio. You can go and get those right now. And you said the original pressing of this, they only did it on one?

One copy, yeah. It was 47 minutes aside and we had to cram it. And Clark, they wrote the piece. Because the groove is terrible. Oh yeah. Clark used and the Clark may have read the piece. It's terrible. Clark used to complain about the grooves all the time. How thin they were and how like the bass would warm up.

We always talked about like yo this should have been a double album. I'm one of those guys. I know we never got double royalties. We actually think you know what and that's I want to shout know what? And that's, I want to shout out Monty Lipman, and I do want to shout out the Lipman brothers, because once they became the chairmen of Def Jam, they put me and Pete

in the legacy program. So we got our first royalty checks ever in 35 years in August. Explain what that is, the legacy program. So this is, so the legacy program basically means... After 30 years, it reverts? No. Okay. So it's basically this. If you signed a fucked up deal before 2000, they zero your debt.

Wow. So that's basically what it is. Which is only right. It's only right. And we signed to left-hand records. I mean, left-hand records. He told me... He started telling me that.

I didn't take him seriously. I thought he was bullshitting me. So I didn't do it. So I have to go do it. But you decided on a legacy program? No, no, no. I thought that it wasn't possible. I thought he was fucking around with me. So I didn't do it. So I have to go do it. But you decided on a legacy? No, no, no. I thought that it wasn't possible. I thought he was fucking around with me.

I didn't think it was serious. So you think the music industry is trying to do good? Well, at least for our labels, maybe. For us. Certainly for us. Like, I got to be honest with you and shout out, like, Charlene Thomas at Def Jam. Like, she literally brought people from Hollywood to Hialeah to get this vinyl here for y'all today.

Shout out to Charlene. Shout out to Def Jam. They fucking Erica. All of the people. There's people now that are running catalog. People that we knew, like Tina Bynum, who used to be the head of marketing, who did Wayne Records. Now all she does is catalog. And the same people who have the same

energy to help the Drake. No, she's a catalog. And the same people who have the same energy to help the Drake... No, she's at Reservoir. She's at Reservoir Media. So she did the De La record. Oh, she got De La back. And she's on the board at the Hip Hop Museum as well. Oh, wow. Faith was also in a female group

called 4-Pac. No, I didn't know Faith was rhyming. Shout out to Faith. So I definitely feel like called 4-Pack. That's right. No, I didn't know Faith was rhyming. Shout out to Faith for rhyming that one. Yeah, so I definitely feel like at least Monty, who's now the chairman of Def Jam, and you can see

what they're doing for the artists from our generation and how they're trying to step up and do the right thing. Right. Because I remember

hearing people saying those contracts back in the days always had that word perpetuity. Throughout the universe. Yeah days always had that word perpetuity. And no one knew throughout the universe. No one knew what perpetuity meant since 2005. Well, even deeper, I'll go one step deeper.

We signed what's called an at-will agreement, which means that we didn't sign a recording contract. We signed as at-will employees to record a record on behalf of Def Jam. Like being an independent contractor? Correct. So what is that, like a work of art? Yeah, that means they own our records for life. Wow. But we have to suit them.

At the Hip Hop Museum, we got contracts that would make your stomach... Joski Love's contract. Oh, you think people could see the actual contract? Yeah, you could see the actual contract. Mike and Dave Records with Sweetie G and Positive K's first record on the Mike and Dave label. Like, just crazy. And then even going up to like the early Houdini,

you know, the first, those are like the real first contracts, but running them. But, you know, when we, by the time we had our deal with Def Jam, we were like kind of in that transition period. Like, people really didn't get paid until... No, we didn't get shit.

I mean, but I tell people this all the time. There's the left-hand record side of it, and then there's the Def Jam record side of it, right? The left-hand record side of it is we didn't have 10 offers. We met with Tom Silverman. Tom Silverman literally, Tom Silverman was the head of Tommy Boy. Tommy Boy, right. He literally looked at me and Pete and said, I can't give you more money than Stetsasonic. What am I going to tell Daddy-O?

Stetsasonic. I'm like, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? No, no. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like we had a lot of offers. It wasn't until after the battle for world supremacy that Russell was like, oh, you know, we want to sign you, but

it wasn't like... Let me speak for y'all. You probably didn't know you had this many offers because at that time we didn't have a Twitter. But you guys were probably hotter on the street. We were hot on the street because we were hot on the street. You know, because Pete had his radio show. I was in the quarters.

I was battling people. Pete was outside with Clark. Like, we were in the mix. I guess my question is, you said that there was no offers, but you didn't probably do an extensive search. No, it was a big role. But it was still an extensive search. No, it was big, bro. But it was still a small industry. Yeah, it was a small industry. It was a profile select record.

And they were going to find you. And they didn't. Like, I met with C-Plot and Nicky. They didn't want to sign us. You know, we were also at the time when the BC boys were blowing up. So that was also something where all these other big labels were looking for that white group, white MCs that kind of had that rock edge. And we were not that at all.

That's a great example because when we came out, they had no other choice but to pay us the mob deep. There was no other black kids from Queens in that area at the time. So was that something? That held us back. I was about to say, did it? We didn't get a deal just because of that. Because they wanted y'all to be the Beastie Boys?

Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, like, there's been this talk like, oh, Russell got us to fill in for the Beastie Boys. We were already signed to we were soloists

on Rush. And even we just signed on Def Jam after they left. So, like, I went to Leroy's wedding. In the Dominican Republic.

Serge could not go to the wedding because he had to work. No, no, no. I couldn't go to the wedding because he didn't invite me to the wedding. No Dominican Republic. Serge could not go to the wedding because he had to work. No, no, no. I couldn't go to the wedding because he didn't invite me to the wedding. No, no, no. He didn't invite me to the wedding. That's a fact.

Serge was delivering chicken deli. No, chicken granada, which was called the think tank because it did not have a radio in it. You had a record deal and you were still delivering chicken? No, I had three jobs. Look, young artist. No, I had three jobs.

Do not quit your day job. No, I had three jobs. Three jobs, who did three jobs? So the first job was I would drive yeshiva boys from Queens near you to yeshivas in Far Rockaway. So very religious Jewish schools. Okay.

I would go from there. So that started at 4.30 in the morning. Okay. Then I'd go from there, I'd go to the Harman Y in Far Rockaway and I drove a truck, a food truck, to homeless shelters. So I delivered food to homeless shelters all through the five boroughs

in a 26-foot refrigerator. Then I'd come back at 4.30. I'd get about a half an hour's sleep. Then I'd pick up the Yeshiva boys and I'd take them back to Queens. So it'd be about 7.38 and then then we go to studio. That was my that was my rotation for a year. Even when.

Here's the crazy shit, though. This was the crazy shit. So step into the AM is a video. It's out. Right. I'm driving a truck in Brooklyn. And this dude and I'm milk, cookies, butter crunch. This kid says, ain't that you?

And I'm like, nah. You know, but there was no money. We got, I think our advance was $15,000 and something like that. You know what I'm saying? Half of that went to my mom. But Leo still didn't invite you to the wedding. He didn't invite me.

He might see it differently. I didn't get invited to the wedding. No invite. I went. But he went. You got the business. Man, he went. He actually invited you.

He did not invite me. Everybody went. It was like, if that plane went down, all the hip hop would have been gone. Yeah. It was like, public enemy, LL, Run DMC, EBMC. It was everybody. Slick Rick, everybody. So you felt like they were blackballing you from Joe. I was not invited to the wedding. I was not invited. I always thought like back in the day, like it is what it is.

I mean, again, it's perception, right? So I'm a 21 year old kid and I'm already telling you, like, I'm really not really seeing things right. Yeah. I mean, like, that's just how really seeing things right. You know what I mean? Like, that's just how I saw things. I didn't see things right. I always said, like, oh, Lior loves Pete. Russell loves me. Like, that's how I always felt.

Like, oh, because it's, you know what I mean? Like, that's just. That was your perception. My perception. I felt totally opposite. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. So, you know, we were on. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, again, he could have invited me. All I remember is I went to the airport, right? I was delivering chicken. I got finished delivering. I packed my bag. I knew there was something. And I got the Mutombo. You didn't get the Mutombo twice.

Leo, I got the Mutombo. And the thing that was crazy is those days, there was no TSA. You walked to the gate. Right. So I'm like, Michael Barron. They're like, who? I'm like, Michael Barron, my ticket. And I got the Mutombo.

And I'm crying in the airport. I'm watching everybody get on the plane. ML's with his wife, Simone. And fucking this one, Mandy's with Rick. But they should have you, too. He was like, I'm sorry. He was like, I'm home. If I give him this one, man, he's with Rick. I'm like... But he actually left you too. He was like, I'll see you. He was like, I'll see you. I'll see you with my tan. I was just chilling with Eric and Parrish.

That's how I met Eric and Parrish, first time I heard of Rush. Yo, wasn't there something about LL swimming with his hat? Yeah, like LL was wearing... Oh, this is such a great story. He would go under in the waves and he would come up with the Kangaroo. Oh, shit. You would not see him. You'd see him at 6 o'clock in the morning. No, no, no.

What kind of fit was that? No, no, no. He was like surgically attached. Okay, the fisherman Kangaroo? No, no, no. The fisherman. The fisherman. Okay, okay.

So there was supposedly this story that Ecstasy told me. May he rest in peace. Yes. From Houdini. Yes. Okay. El goes in the water. The Kangaroo comes up L ain't out

So now everybody's going Yo L's hat Cause nobody knows what his head looks like No one's seen him without the hat Except on his passport photo Right So everybody's

And this is what John XC's telling me. Everybody runs to the water. Water's crystal clear. And they're looking. And they're looking, right? And they're looking.

And all of a sudden, hands. Pulls it. And he comes out with water. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It was a commitment.

You want to talk about commitment? Yes commitment that alopecia is a bitch you know what's crazy I was watching this morning the audition what movie it was he goes box it was a crush move he goes box and then he just starts performing

that fucking scene is just so legendary but his hat was on that's the time when we came up it was 298 Elizabeth that office that was like the center of hip hop we go in the office next thing you know we're playing Nerf football running D on Elizabeth Street that's not where Chung King was at right

no Chung King was around the corner I'm the next generation after that I speak Chelsea, y'all generation. Come with me. I got to find Rakim to get his passport photo for the Deaf Tram Tour in 1987. We would watch Dante's

house while he was road managing Rakim. You know what I mean? When you teach or when you educate or when I go and lecture, when you watch kids' eyes, when you say, okay, I come from a place where there was no thing called hip-hop. There was no business. There was no streaming. Their eye, it's all of a sudden you become like an artifact.

Like, how did you even survive? Right? Like, how did you even survive right like how did you even like you know but it's the truth and and grand mixer dxt says it all the time he says you know we are a nameless culture that was given a name by a by a machine that doesn't even care about an industry right you know i'm saying like the word hip-hop came from the rapper's delight record and somebody wrote about it in the village Voice and called it hip hop or whatever. Like there was some periodical, right? Like they had to define it to monetize it.

Correct. And it was even more like when Wild Style the movie came out, they called it the hip hop movie. It started to spread and it just became known as hip hop. You look on the flyers, you look on all the advertisements, it really started to show up after 83. You can look at the first 10 years. Hip-hop wasn't even a thing. It wasn't a thing. You were tagging on

walls. You were dancing on floors. And you guys, it was almost frowned upon to have a commercial record, a radio record. Yeah, being on the radio wasn't the best thing for true hip-hop artists at the time. You remember that at the time? Listen, Pop Goes the Weasel, the record we did was based on that.

We got offered commercials for Sprite, different things we turned down. We could not do anything just because you didn't want to look like you were commercializing shit and selling out. And the point, I'm sorry. We would try to do records that were kind of like on the edge. It wouldn't pop. Right. Exactly. And that was the problem.

It was the problem and it was the point at the same time. Because, you know, for us, to go commercial was corny. Right. Because every executive in the room was a cornball. They were all straight bozos. So they didn't know anything. So because they didn't know anything, how am I going to intercept your bozoness with authenticity and still be credible when I go home? Right. Because that's the shit I care about. Like, I don't live in commercial land. I don't live where you live i gotta go back to red fern and ov and and see my people right so there was no credibility in doing that it's not like today where you know

the people that you're now talking in the rooms with grew up on 50 years of hip-hop but let me be honest like now if you're not commercial you're not irrelevant in hip-hop let me be honest with you for me right after you era, it was a time where Nas was the most loved kid in the world, right? Loved person in the world, right? Loved man in the world, whatever we want to say. And then he came with that album, I believe it was written, right?

After... It was written. The golden album... Illmatic. Illmatic, where a lot of people say he might have made money, might have changed his life, might have got him out the hood but it wasn't that level of success it wasn't a commercial success so people will arguably be like damn that took away

from Nas but some people will argue that made actually the perfect foundation so when has hip hop, when has that ever because even Wu-Tang, like Wu-Tang's first album, I listened to that shit and if you go look at the algorithms of that album, at least seven or eight records

were on the radio. They weren't promoted. But they were on the radio and that was the algorithms at the time. So when in hip-hop, when did it come from you being underground, but if your record happens to go commercial, it was still accepted? So I'll share two stories. That was a great question, by the way.

I ain't gonna lie. I felt good about that. get up let's get up it's a good question this is a good question i think you're two pioneers this is that's honestly something i would want to know because yeah so i don't know that right so i i can i can share two like practical points one we were talking about when i came to you and did even public enemy public enemy records was always underground but they were they were they were selling to the people who seemed like they were dissing almost. Yeah, no. And they were selling out.

It was in Europe with the entire audience being white. So you have a black planet. The entire audience is white. Wow. So I was doing consulting for Nike in 1993. I was working with a guy named Mark Ray and a woman named Kim White. And I played them a record where

Nas said, I'm a Nike head, I wear chains that excite the fan. And I said to them point blank, you should probably give me like 50 bands right now for this mention. Because I promise you what's going to happen is as soon as every kid in Queens hears this, they're going to hang up their Timbs

and go buy Nikes. Right. And I was able to get them a check. Wow. Right. Just because I was consulting them and they believed me. But what I did was when I started working with Mark Echo and Echo Unlimited. Big up Mark Echo. And, you know, it's funny you talk about, you know, anniversaries. This is the 30th anniversary of Echo. Yeah. Right. You know, when we started it, Mark always had this philosophy of like, okay, we have to do natural integration, but commercialize it, right? So we were talking about like when I did the CNN,

we went to the building. Cause I said, yo, where do you smoke? Where do y'all go hang out and smoke? Is that where we go to? So I shanked and everything was grainy and it looked like we captured it. And then we dipped. When I shot Prodigy May Recipe and Mobb Deep

they were on the 40 side of Vernon hanging off on the bench you know so it was about having those voices in the room that could say this is what's credible this is what's real this is what feels real because it is real and we're talking to the artist because we're not coming up with some catchphrase

not many people so like all the catchphrase. Not manufactured. Right. So like all the catchphrases, like me and Busta were talking about it when we did his. It was him and his son, Taziah, who's now 30-something, right? Right. And his son had to go use the bathroom. And we're like, do you want to go with Taziah? He's like, no, let him pull his pants down.

He'll figure it out. It was like, that's the quote. And that was the quote. You know what I'm saying? Like because it was real to what he was experiencing while he was in the clothes while he was wearing the clothes that was what was missing for me and pete's era in 91 that's why we couldn't do kentucky fried chicken ads that's why we couldn't do because there was no one in there that we could correlate our realness right our authenticity and then have that become an eco-siloed

fucking ad campaign. No, there's zero. But with Echo, what gravitated everybody to Echo is, oh, they're real. They got the real dudes, they got the real dog, the dog dog. Because in retrospect, right? And the bag was real. That's what I was saying.

Living in that time, it was kind of crazy to say that we got messed up contracts but let's not take this money from over here because we'll be corny for taking that money over there are we saying that we didn't care about our families back then? no what we're saying is

if you say because you say Michael Jordan they always say that Michael Jordan had one of the least powerful contracts in the NBA. But he went and he made all this money through Nike and all this other shit. So he had a chance to hire good players around him. So what I'm saying is, in fact, then if our contracts were so fucked up back then, why was it fucked up for us to make it somewhere else? You know what I mean?

And the answer is because you would have been so fucked up that your credibility would have been fucked up. You would have shut your career in the foot. You would have been here to this day. Yo, make sense. But even though it doesn't make sense. No, it does. It totally makes sense. If somebody's a cornball, and Nori,

one thing about you, if somebody's a cornball, you fucking with them to this day? If somebody's a cornball... Lex and Birdman, they day? But I ain't gonna lie. If somebody's a cornball. Flex and Birdman, they co-signed Luggs, and they still survived. Yeah, but I don't think that bag was that serious. But they ad was that serious. Nobody listened to them.

But nobody fucked with Uggs, and nobody really fucked with Uggs regardless. Like, no one went out and fucked with Uggs. Like nobody really fucked with Uggs regardless. Like, no one went out and fucked with Uggs. Like, Luggs, whatever they're called. Nobody fucked with it because that shit was Fugazi. Okay. And everybody knew it was a bad ground. Remember when they wanted us to be on Beverly Hills 90210? Donnie Einer and Tommy Mottola were begging us.

I would have. They should be so grateful. They wanted us to be on. There's an episode where that whole crew of kids goes to the club And there's a band playing We're the band And one of the kids gets slipped to Mickey They get in the hospital

Or whatever And sure enough The group gets involved in the whole Scooby Doo episode Drugs are bad That would have been classic No of course in hindsight In 20 years later episode or whatever. Drugs are bad. That would have been classic now. No, of course, in hindsight,

20 years later, it would have been like this. But I can see back then, if you would have done that, you wouldn't understand. I was the whole era. I know what you're saying. And I know back then, that's what warrants it. How about this? Nori, how about this? We go in for a reading for Malcolm X. Me and Pete.

That was going to be in Malcolm X? What part? So Spike, I'm about to tell you. So Spike. Go on, yo amigo. Un momento, please. I'm ready for this. It wasn't there for a while. Close.

So we get in. Sam Jackson is there. He's reading with us. And it's Spike. And we reading with us. And it's Spike. And we get the sides. And it's CO1, CO2. Oh, shit. And he wants us to read when they ask Malcolm Little his numbers. And when he didn't give his numbers.

Red, red, red. Yeah, when he first goes in jail. When he's in jail, he's Malcolm Little. Real name. Yeah, his real name. And they're like, Little. And he kills it he like kills the reading

and Sam's nah and and and I'm not really killed it and then Pete just goes

really? like this is what you want us to fucking do really? and I was like you walk into a movie and you see third base? That's terrible. But that's not acting.

Acting, I can see that. It is acting. But how would the hood have taken that? How would the hood have taken that? How would the hood have taken that? So why would y'all describe it? And this is real talk. Y'all era was too hardcore, man.

It's true. Y'all kept was too hardcore, man. It's true. Y'all kept it too real. But you know what? That's what led to my generation keeping it half real. And now this generation keeping it not real. You know what I'm saying? It's so up in the real. You know why?

It's true. It's true. What y'all saying right now was like, yo, you know what? The hood, the respect, the look was more important than the actual bag. Let me tell you something. Yeah, of course. I even said to Spike, I said, Spike, when was the last time somebody asked you to play a chauffeur in a movie? Right.

And then we blazed. Right. And we were out. Peace. Right. And that was it. And then, you know, I did Bamboozle, you know, 2000 had a better look. Right.

But like, it was, it would have been horrible for us. Yeah. It would have been horrible. That would have been horrible. Like, yo, the hood would have been like, you know, 2000 had a better look. Right. But like it was, it would have been horrible for us. Yeah. It would have been horrible. That would have been like, yo, the hood would have been like, you played yourself. I saw Spike in the Nick game, he just looked at me and went just still upset about it. No, no, he was upset. Oh, yeah, he just looked like, yeah. I could understand, I could understand because in acting, everything is

warranted, right? Right, right. You know what I mean? So I could understand it. Yeah, but on the streets, people take that shit really nice. But it's not like they came in as thespians trying to just do this right and it wound up being two thespians and it got two actors and who knows who they are and nobody cared but if it was us right yeah that's a serious subject let me let me see really serious let me see because i even said to him because i i read at that time I was reading Malcolm X at least once a year. I said, yo, there's that scene in Columbia when the student walks up to Malcolm and he's going to do the thing. He says, yo, I don't have a racist bone in my body. And even though I'm white, isn't there anything I can do?

And Malcolm looks at her and goes, no. And keeps moving. I said, why can't Pete goes to Columbia? Like, yo, why can't we do that role? Like, it's fucking authentic. He fucking graduated magna cum laude, a degree in English. Let the motherfucker do that role Like it's fucking authentic He fucking graduated Magnum cum laude A degree in English

Let the motherfucker do that Right Nah that's real But acting is Play but said But bro We were so real Everything was real

Even belly I remember when I The belly people were really thinking He was such a Yeah Yeah The audience would believe this shit Yo people were asking me

Yo when's your man getting out? I'm like, out from where? Where is he getting out from? In retrospect, this is something that I know you're close to. I believe when it comes to acting and people sticking with those roles that they're categorized as, I believe Bishop was the one. Oh, Tupac. Like, I believe both of you guys know Tupac I've never met Tupac right

before or after people said he became we heard it cause Rich Daddy Rich was in Juice with them and saw the transformation from when we were on tour Tupac used to come in my hotel room he was with Digital he was dancingac used to come in my hotel room. He was with Digital. He was dancing.

He would just come in the room. He would freestyle. Try freestyle. He knew we had a production company. Tupac's trying to get a deal. He's trying to spit what do you think? What do you think? It's alright. And he's up there at base at this time? He's actually walking up to Rich

and saying, yo Rich, can I help you carry your cases? You need any help? We're at their base and he's actually walking up to Rich and saying, yo, Rich, can I help you carry your cases? You need any help? Yo, we bought him Whoppers, everything. He was such a good dude, though. He was a good dude.

And we would be on the road and, you know, shock G, rest in peace, and me, like he would just play the keys and we would freestyle

damn near all night just off the top of our head about how much we loved each other, how much we loved where we were at, how much we loved how we were moving. You know, and it was just, it was family. You know, it was really like a family.

Like, you know, we'd play pool with Queen Latifah and Moni or we'd work out with this one. It was really family. But isn't that kind of the moral of this whole story is that back then it was like a small community and doing certain things would kind of exile you from that community but back to what he's saying so tupac once we were once a conversation told me about his mom and i see that he had like these friendship bracelets and like a silver bracelet and just like a little silver chain with a little silver madone he's like you never wear gold tells the whole story about the gold trade. Oh, man. So he's in juice. Rich reports back to us like, I think Tupac thinks he's this character. Like he's seen him turn into the character.

He saw it right in front of his face. So we do this show, and I think it was Gavin at the Townsend. And we walk to the side stage. And who's standing there in the corner with this big dookie cable on with this big huge gold medallion. Oh, this is Defero Tupac now? No, this is way before. Okay, okay.

This is Brenda got a baby Tupac. Okay, I'll let you hear me, Tupac. Yo, we clowned him, and he was like, yeah, he was pissed, man. He was like, we were like, yo, what happened? Yo, what happened with the gold, homie? Yo, why you got that gold on, homie? You looking like, you know, you got that slave man trying to be homie?

He's like, hey, what are you doing? He looks mad, too. Oh, yeah, no. That's the whole thing. That's what he said. Yo, bro, like, at the end of the day,

like, we were all young. Like, we were all really young. Like, making, thank you, we were making adult decisions as children. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think about, like, the decisions I made about

the demise of our partnership at 23 years old. Like, I got kids, you know, my kids are 30, 28, and 27. Like, I can't imagine my kids at 23 making the decisions that I was making. I was just not capable

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I'll just say, like, when we get Daddy Rich in here, he'll, he can go more in depth with that Tupac story. He was in the battle scene, you know, Rich was right on the set, and he's got a good perspective on that. I think when we talk about whether it be

Pac or Big, we talk about them now as if they were older. Not remembering that these were young men. Really young men. Doing what they were doing and making the mistakes that young people do. We're trying to bring them to our age now.

That was fucked up. They did this. That's what I love about what Wallow did with Kodak Black and what Wallow did with thug like you know there's certain people that are in the podcast space right that really take it upon themselves to like understand like if we're going to really uplift this next generation of kids that are really getting money like insane amounts of money yeah um we have to start to level the playing field in terms of what they understand about commerce, what they understand about not just being a brand, but what they understand about brand responsibility, brand focus,

brand vision, you know, really bringing them into a level of conversation that they'll get. Because if they don't, they'll find themselves 35 and broke. Yeah. That's up. Quick time slot. Before we get into that, I want to ask you, going back a little bit,

the Beastie Boys, what was the riff there? I'll start. You want to start? One riff was my best friends in college my roommate he wrote Sake, Sake 1 he went to school with Mike D

and my other boy no Mike D from the Beastie Boys Mike Diamond and Ad-Rock went to school with that boy MC Disagreed Dan Keely and MCA went to school with that boy MC Disagreed, Dan Keely. And MCA went to school with all of them, and even with Blake, summer school. Yeah, rest in peace. So they always looked at them as, you know, you're coming up, you're a white kid in Brooklyn or whatever, you know the kids who are down with hip-hop.

Basically they're saying they were not down with hip-hop when they were down with hip-hop. So it was like, yo, those kids. Well, they looked at it as a commercial. And they just jumped on the bandwagon. Because they came to a punk scene, but the punk scene and hip-hop came up together. Well, that's. That brought. If you talk to me and Sergio about the punk scene, we could tell you anything about the punk scene.

Correct. We were 100% hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? But that's just like. There's some kids like. No, it doesn't. No? That boy.

That boy. Like CBGB and all that. Might be the one guy who was in both things but kids like like yeah like there's a guy named dave skilkin may rest in peace he was their like their guy right like there was two people captain again may rest in peace and that's the sucky thing about doing this at 57 right is how many people you gotta bless right right which is another reason why we're sitting here today. So the whole thing, at least my side, was I really didn't understand how Russell was moving with our contract. And Russell was living at Barrow Street at the time.

Right up the block was Mike D's apartment. And Mike D was with this kid, Sean, the captain, Karasoff, who was their tour manager. May he rest in peace. And I was so frustrated, I said, fuck it, I'm going to knock on Mike D's door and just ask him. It's the afternoon. This is the famous baloney story.

Is this the baloney story? Oh, shit. You have baloney stories? I don't know what that baloney story is, but I'm going to find out. Just make sure it's not full of baloney. So I went upstairs to his apartment. Sean's knocked down on the sofa. I go to speak to Mike. They had just left Def Jam, and they had just signed their deal at Capital.

And I said, hey, man, I don't really understand what the fuck is going on. Help me understand how Russell moves. We got this deal. Who are you talking to again? Sorry. Mike D. Let's just salute Mike D here. Yes. Help me understand how Russell moves We got this deal Who are you talking to again? Let's just salute Mike D here For being the richest person in the podcast He sold his mother's art collection For like $500 million

The DJ Hurricane, my man Shout out DJ Hurricane, man So I go to ask him these questions And we're having like a real conversation. He's like, yo, you know, be careful with this. Be careful with that. You know, you might want to check with this.

Check your lawyer about that. As I'm leaving, I turn to say peace. He starts throwing shit at me like a rubber ducky. See, I thought it was a piece of baloney. So he's just throwing a rubber ducky at me. Sean all of a sudden wakes up. He throws a Cheeto at me. And I'm like, and they're laughing.

So I'm like, all right, there, whatever. And I left. And then fast forward in Spin Magazine, there's this article. And they ask the guys about third base. And Mike says, yeah, I know, Serge. Like, he came to my crib. I threw shit at him. I was like, oh, fuck you.

It's on. So we were in the studio. And I was like, yeah, son's at third base. It's on. Fuck you. Fuck y'all. I'm going to sun you. Fuck y'all.

And then after you had that, Sam Silver took me to a spot where his barber was. And like, Ad-Rock walked in with that actress that he was with at the time. Ioni Scott. He's like, yo, Pete Knight's just saying that he didn't do anything. It just became his thing. But I mean, we were on Def Jam. Well, we weren't on Def Jam. We were just on Rush at the exact

same time that they were still signing everything. So that time of Lior's wedding, they were still on Def Jam. That's when That's why he ain't come to Lior's wedding? That's when Lior called in why he ain't coming to the Ozwin? No, that's when Lior... Lior Cohen and Rick Rubin... Why you not hurt me? That's what we're doing, man.

Lior kind of took over Rick Rubin left and that's when the BC boys left right at the same time. They went to Capitol. Yeah, exactly. Well, actually,

they went nowhere for a while. Right. Because they had to get off the deal. It took them like three or four years to get off the deal. It seems like when they

said they had tapes of Russell doing something in the back of... Damn. MC seems like when they said they had tapes of Russell doing something in the back of a bus, and that deal just got settled real quick. And that's in New Music Express. That's not like secret. It's like writing an interview. Was he kidding? I don't know.

Well, that's a concern. A lot of tapes flying around. A lot of tapes. That was like QuickTime was live I mean listen those are some ill tours but did you guys ever squash that? actually when their book came out

they asked me to do that section of the book they asked me to do the audio and I had a syndicated show called the old school show and when i had a i had a syndicated show called the old school show and mca had produced a documentary called gunning for the number one spot which talks about like aau basketball and i i interviewed him and we made peace about a year before he died right so it was really cool because we got to talk about it and the thing that was real funny was as we were closing it out i told him how i felt about him he said thanks i said now we're gonna end the show with sons of third base he's like no i'm

playing because they had a silly professor record that was their disc record and he's like yeah so he's like no you better play that shit so yeah so no it was all good that was your favorite song to perform oh shit wait sons of third no no silly professor no there is a silly professor shit. Wait, Sons of Thirties? No, Silly Professor. Silly Professor, the diss record, yeah. Is it like that, you know, Kevin Hart and these people always accuse, like, there can't be one black actor at one time. Is it like that in the white world?

Oh, definitely. When we were coming up, absolutely. Whether it's a DJ, dude who works at the label, dude who gets the coffee, is in hip hip hop. It's a chip on the shoulder. There can only be one. There can only be one.

From 1989, I would say from 1989 damn near the night to 2000, there can only be one. Can we describe from that era the white rapper? See, you got to go back to listen, MC Sur listen and me and Vanilla B probably the only three

like I got a picture of search at Prospect Park that with Paradise on stage Rakim's first show where he's got a pair of tight shorts socks all the way up his ankles,

dancing on stage while Rakim is performing his first show with Divine Sound. That's the night. So, like, he was down with Tony D and the Bad Boys. You know, LaMumba, Professor X, was my first manager. Like, I was down with this group, Cinque Nome, where we were with Dana Dane and Sparky T and all these people. So we were, like, at the same time the BC boys were actually blowing up, we were kind of, like, more on that underground scene.

And we were having, like, me and Search used to do, for $25, $50, we'd announce acts at Hotel Amazon. Hotel Amazon. Irving Plaza. We introduced Rob Bass. First Rob Bass show ever. It'd take two to make a thing go. First show ever. Yo, it's a new art. Easy rock. New art. show ever. It takes two to make a thing go. First show ever.

New art and easy rock. Rest in peace. Clark Kent was the DJ, man. Rest in peace. Like, you know what I mean? Like, people would always say, like, who the fuck are those guys? Like, we would get into everything. Like, there would be baddies outside the Red Parrot.

We'd walk right past them. Like, who the fuck are those white boys? We didn't have a record out. And so it's just like, yo, we're going to Davenport, Iowa with King Sun. Next thing you know, we're on a band. With King Sun. Yeah. Traveling to Davenport, Iowa with King Sun and his crew.

And we're doing a show in a flood zone. Yeah. It's like, you know. 1988. We would just move around. We were always moving around because people coming up that time they knew that we weren't trying to like appropriate the culture right you know pete had a dope ass radio show you know i mean like it was dope like they played real shit and you know i had promos

on red alert listen the the highlight of my career and Daddy Rich's career was when Red Alert played the promo that we made for him about the radio show. It was played in between the Public Enemy and the Jungle Brothers promo. We were like... You should understand, when you heard a promo...

Yeah, the search is always getting this promo. It was like you were the most famous motherfucker When you heard a promo. Yeah, the search is always getting this promo. Chill out. Yo, it was like you were the most famous motherfucker in New York. They would just say to me, I would get $50 for people to just have me go to shows and get dissed. Search is always getting dissed. Search is always getting dissed. Wait, why?

I don't get this. No, it's just a promo. I had a record called hey boy so my promo was like hey boy and I'd be like yo what up baby and she's like no I'm not talking to you I'm talking about Red Alert and I'd be like damn search is always getting dissed so it became a thing

it was self deprecating but at the same time like shout out to Red Alert because Uncle Randy he got me my first lawyer he hooked me up with Black Porter you know it's like unbelievable that's how me and Chris Lighty met Chris Lighty, may he rest in peace

yo we used to carry Red's crates so at this time Chris had a white Maximo right because he was moving going back and forth to see his dad in Baltimore so we'd move back and forth from Baltimore right and he would have Red's crates. We would go to Kiss.

He would put his crates in the Maxima, and then we'd go to Latin Quarter. Me and Serge met at the Latin Quarter. I was with the LB. We're standing in front of Latin Quarter. This Lincoln Town car pulls up. See Serge pop out. I don't know. He had some sort of, it was either a shirt kings or like a

acid wash bedazzled bedazzled yeah like no like with with like like a rhinestone thing was it that so i had two i had two shirt kings one one was was me my face that said hey boy on it that i would you know and that kind of the promo yeah Yeah. So I was, I think that one. So, right. And I was going to a show. I was, I was performing that night. July of 86. He was before I have the flyer. Right. He was Tony D. So Tony D got me a, an executive, like a town car, like a local car from Brooklyn to bring

me to the show. And so me and Blake are standing in front. Search comes popping out. Now Blake went to high school with them. I had just heard rec searches record. Heard he was a white guy who had a record on P-Fine. It was like the song Melissa that he had out. And I was like, man, this motherfucker beat me to it.

And, you know, I'm with Blake. We had this group called the Servant Generals at the time. Serge comes out. It's like, yo, Pete, Serge, give him a pound. And he just kind of like says, all right. And just walks by. Yeah, I was getting ready to go down the show. He didn't try to dance battle you?

No, no. He didn't want to dance battle you? I don't dance. I feel like he'd be trying to dance battle everybody. He's about to battle Boris right now. And I'll take him to him. And this goes on the white boy on the shoulder. Years later, I get a call from

blake out of nowhere i have not talked to him for years like yo pete search was just on his thing he said that me and you were waiting outside lq because we could not get in and he had to get us in he didn't get us in we always got in i'm like yes blake we always got in why is this bothering you so much right now so but that was just the type of thing where you know we that's the first time we ever met and then obviously you know by the time we thing where, you know, that's the first time we ever met. And then obviously, you know, by the time we were gone, we went to Red Alert's birthday party. Me and Serge went to Green Acres Mall for his birthday. Green Acres Mall.

Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. So Serge is like, yo, get the frosted mug with the etching on it. Happy birthday. DJ Red Alert gets it, grabs it up and everything. Wait, he was 50 back then? No, no, no. No, no, no.

I was telling him, yo, we got to get something special that he'll always remember. So it was his fifth anniversary. Oh, 50. So I said, happy fifth anniversary, Uncle Red. And I think it cost like 25 bucks. It was a lot of money. It was a lot of money. So we go on

the lq comes up red's on stage search is like makes a big presentation walks up gives it to him red's like oh thank you sir chris rock who's doing the stand-up and intros he's like yo search where'd you get that at green acre malls for25 and everybody lost all and all and everybody knew but I mean it was it was a thought that kind of read love did but I mean I'm just saying that that's where you know Chris Rock is doing the you know the intro that's that's like yeah it's like you know but that's what it was like it was you know it's really hard to explain to people that there was, I have a homegirl named Shelby who used to work for like Electra and everything. She's like a PR person.

She really succinctly nailed this. There's so many people culturally that like, like Nick Quest did, who just did this amazing documentary. Yo, yo, that's crazy, right? Crazy, crazy. Yo, stop, stop, stop. Yo, that shit is crazy. Crazy, right? Crazy. Crazy. He infiltrated the fucking Yo, infiltrated the fucking Broadway.

Yo, that shit is crazy, yo. Right? Nick Queston. Look how excited he is. I'm just saying, wait. Nick Queston danced with me and Bobbito in Nick's fucking

and Bob's apartment on 14th Street. We were breakdancing B-Boying. And he's got all the good pictures he took inside the street. And he won an Academy Award. Like, yo, she said, yo, we were just some kids bugging out.

We had no idea how we were going to impact culture. We were just some kids bugging out. We were kids from New York. We were just running the streets. Now we run culture. Like, kids that tag, they fucking curate the Louvre. Kids that fucking went to Columbia curate the Hip Hop Museum.

Bob Ito started out as my barber on 96th Street. You know what I mean? He's a curator of basketball culture around the world. All of us come from this fucking era of just some kids bugging out. Nor he was fucking in fucking Iraq. We're just some kids bugging out. Nori was fucking in fucking Iraq. That's right.

We're just some kids bugging out. And by the way, let's give it up to Babito being nice as a clipper. And Subrock. Subrock. Subrock. But that's, you know, she really hit it. Like, we were just some kids bugging out.

And we went from understanding what we were doing to really understanding how it can make a living for our family doing what we continue to do. Right. You know, like, and I, and I've said this to you a million times and I took him on the road and he went to radio stations. I mean, it was so fucking disrespectful, bro. Like he would be on the morning show, leave the morning show leave the morning show the program director operations manager go does he want to do morning i'm like your morning show's right here he don't want to do what he's already in the van asking me that we want to go to the next spot you know i mean like you could see you could just see the elevation like you could see and

we were just some fucking kids bugging out in new york having a good time doing what we love to do like you know i remember telling russell when this album was gonna drop all i cared about there were three record stores in far rockaway and one in rockaway park i just cared about those those stores selling out the record and he's like well i care about it a whole lot more than you do i want to sell a whole lot more records than you do. Trust me. I'm like, no, I just, I need my hood. I need this sold out in my hood.

But let me ask you, right? Because it's something that I can't, like, you know, I'm Puerto Rican, right? So I'm going to be prepared to the Puerto Ricans for the rest of my life, right? It does not matter. Like, I don't care. You don't grow out of it. And it's not saying the fact that they say, oh, you're nice for a Puerto Rican.

You know what I mean? I'm sure you get that. You know what I mean? Like, you know how they set up. Like, oh, you're nice. But there was a whole era of, like, that white genre music, right? Right?

Beastie Boys. And when does, where does that start? You said in 89? Because I believe you said something and you said it was before that. Well they blew up in 86. I mean it still wasn't that many white boys. T-Ray was in white boys.

Yeah they were signed to select. To me I'll tell you at least to me again my perspective. Everlast who was in House of Pain was part of Rhyme Syndicate. Ice-T's crew. Ice-T's crew. Don't lose styles. Rhyme will break a sign.

Down with the Rhyme Syndicate of the 80s. He should have, like, a crack of a whip. You know what I'm saying? When he has the long hair. When he has the hair. Get drunk. Yo, and while I began drunk with that bottle of rosé that I keep in my trunk, punk. Like, yo, he was nice.

Everlast was drinking rosé back then? Yo, he was nice. Oh, shit. Was he dating Carmen Electra back then or something? Or he had her in the video or something? No, he was nice. Oh, shit. Was he dating Carmen Electra back then or something? Or he had her in the video or something? No, that was earlier. Yeah. So this was way earlier.

So then he was there. Then we were there. And then all of a sudden, there were like iterations of third base. Like, you know what I mean? Like big men on campus got signed to select. Schecter. Shecky Green. One and done.

Milkbone. Remember Milkbone? Milkbone was dope. So. They were done. Milkbone. Milkbone was dope. Here's the problem with Milkbone. This, again, my perspective. You're right. Milkbone was nice. His name wasn't nice. His name was not nice.

Because he was down with Naughty by Nature, for some reason... Cypress Hill had the hooligans. Which is Alchemist. With Scott Kahn is Alchemist. With Scott Conn and Alchemist, right? Like all of a sudden, every... That's why Alchemist comes from that group. Yeah, hooligans. So every group had to have one.

Like Dre had M. So now every black dope artist had to have one. Like I got to find a white boy. Like everybody got to have one. But you think it was that thought out? I don't think it was that thought out. You think Cypress had thought out? You think Cypher thought out? I think I agree.

Really? When I did, right after I did OC after I made the OC album, Word Life and all of that. Pick up OC. Yeah man. Fucking time's up man. Fucking time's up. Yo, that album, Word Life legendary.

Yo, anyway. So right after that we we put together nonfiction. Right? So Ill Bill, Clips, Bach, Gore-Tex. I'll never forget what David Geffen and Wendy Goldberg said to me. They said, I don't need this group to be underground. I need this group to get with Dre and be the next. Oh, shit.

That's great. Next House of Pain. And I'm like, no, they're the hip hop Ramones. I said this in 96. I said, they're the hip hop Ramones. They're never going to need a hit record, and they're going to tour for the rest of their fucking life. And you have to figure out how to monetize the records

because we're going to monetize their career. You figure that shit out. I don't know how to fucking do what you do on the alternative hip-hop side, but they're the hip-hop Ramones. Be clear. What labels is? Geffen. They were on a major? Yeah, so what we had done... So how we did it was we had

them on a major, but we put out records independently through Fab Beats. Right, okay. That's how I remember them. Christ and all of that. That was still Ge geffen but we were treating it like an indie but geffen was funding everything oh wow yeah that's early because that ended up happening a lot later on exactly right that was the first time that a major label allowed an incubator program right to happen and 30 years later thank goodness non-fiction is still touring and they are the Ramones of hip-hop. They will tour forever. Was Company Florida out?

No, they came after. Oh, wow. Let's name then, okay, didn't Eminem have like, wait, we've got Bubba Sparks. Let's not forget Bubba Sparks. That's later. Yeah, right, right. But that was Timbaland.

Because like with N2Deep, like N N2 Deep had to pretend not to be Latin. Right. Because, you know. Lighter shade of brown. Yeah, lighter shade of brown. They had to pretend not to be Latino. Because there was no category. Because if you're Kid Frost, you're too Latino.

Oh, my God. Your head would explode. But he's on Ruthless. You know what I'm saying? I had a group, and I hope they're watching. They were from South America called Siete Notas, Siete Colores. They had a record called Boa. That sounds like they're fucking somebody up.

Yo, this record was called Boa. And all that record was was the noise that the pistol made in the club. Your head ducks down. In Spanish, they said the head ducks down because the pistol goes, Boa, Boa. I was open. your head ducks down in Spanish. They said the head ducks down because the pistols go. I was open to get these motherfuckers a deal to save my life. Right. I couldn't get him a deal to say,

but see if they know, if they call all this, I still listen to your shit to this day. That record was fire. And I had this kid cage who in his demo for Faith Newman said he was going to catch a Sony exact, hit the thorn off in his chest, you know, so he was not getting signed. He was kind of like, and he had beef with Eminem, I guess they battled a little bit, but he was kind of like a version of Eminem before Eminem could be, you know, deciphered and with Dre.

So here's a trivia question hold on let me say something it seems like this is obviously me outside looking in it's the inside looking out but it seems like once that person is at the top it's like they go at the top like they want an Eminem spot like I remember one year I felt like Eminem

whoever got hot like Eminem had to like shut them down but it felt like Eminem, it felt like whoever got hot, like Eminem had to like shut them down. But it felt like they were attacking Em. No, I mean, but Em was attacking. He said, what, I'm nicer than Pete. I'm on a search to crush your milk boom. Like, yo, he was, he was going after everybody. But that was his thing.

Yeah, but he was going after everybody. But the point I was just going to say to you is like, you're talking about white rappers, right? Who's the only white rapper to do a record with Biggie M but not a lot no no no M did a record post who's the only white rapper to do a record with Biggie

he's supposed to be googling like texting me and shit didn't he mention Milk Boy in the first do do do do do do do do do I hope it's not I thought you were going to say it's you mentioned Milk Born Universe? Want to call a friend? Long Island? I hope it's not. I thought you were going to say it's you. No, I'm not going to say it's me.

So the answer is R.A. the Rugged Man. Oh, really? R.A. had Biggie in the studio. Which is Wu-Tang affiliate, right. But I say that to say there was like this incredible movement for about two years between 94 and 96 where all these underground MCs, Eclipse, you remember this too, like 94, 96. There was all these really dope white MCs that people were like, yo, this kid. Well, the underground was perfect for that because it didn't discriminate. It's just, you're just dope.

You're dope. And Big was hot. Big it didn't discriminate. It's just, you're just dope. You're dope. And Big was hot. Big was hot. Right. And he did this record with fucking, and it was perfect. Because R.A. was crazy out of his mind. Fucking Biggie was on that shit. It was crazy.

You're going to go back and listen to that, right? Yeah, man. That shit is crazy. So the point is, there was this period of time, and how it kind of went left, not to his demise, not to his fault, but M became a rocket ship. Why? Because he became so much that it's too much to get. My name is, and everybody's like, oh, that's the theorem. That's the theory. Everything else goes to fat beats.

Everything else goes indie. And if we don't find that then it's not worth making and that's kind of the way the bc boys were differently earlier even though m comes from that right because he comes through the fat beat he comes through all that right game you know bad verse evil him and royce like you know i mean infinite album like right but there was that that trajectory that hi my name is and it was over and Dre because Dre is the obvious the formula

that takes it to that level obviously obviously so you know and there was that and then you look into like and then really think about it 98 99 2000 name a white MC that made any impact besides them 2001 2002 Bubba Sparks I was saying that right 2000 name a white MC that made any impact besides them 2001, 2002

Bubba had one record 1997, 98 Bubba lasted like a couple of albums but that one record was enough 96, 97, 98 Bubba Arrow for Timberland I think Bubba was like more 2000 yeah

alright but 2001, 2002, 2003. That's when you get to like Yellow Wolf. One record, 2005, 2006. I'm still going, by the way. 2007. Yellow Wolf and GK. It wasn't until Action Bronson.

Action Bronson. Action Bronson, 2009, 2008. Wow. That you started to have, oh, maybe there can be more than one. Right. Maybe there can be, oh, here comes Jack Harlow out of Kentucky. Jack Harlow. We're fucking putting out records in 2012.

Which is the changing of the way that music is being. The gatekeepers are now gone. Consumed. Right. There's no more gatekeepers. Because then you have blogger era going into this era, going into this era, and SoundCloud or whatever. So the strength and Mac Miller. If there was no Rostrum, there's no Mac Miller.

You know what I'm saying? So again, the white rapper, the plight of the white rapper was the gatekeeper. Yep. Right? And the black cosign. Right. And then you eliminate all of that just by making music. Who's this girl now?

Georgiana? She's killing the fucking internet right now. Wait, the girl that be rapping on the mic? Yeah. From Indy. I hope she's rapping on a mic. Yeah. Michigan City, Indiana.

She's fucking killing them. Yeah, yeah. I like her. She's fucking killing them. Right. Right? Yeah. But we're in a period of time now where we're 50 years plus in.

There's no generational gap for these kids. I look at an artist like Bodie James, right? Bodie's killing them right now. Does a record with Harry Freud. No one cares, right? Producers is different. Like, you could be a white producer and be dope. Right, right.

Scott Storch, right? Right. Alchemist, yes. Congratulations to him, too. Alchemist. Congratulations to him, too. Alchemist. Been killing it nonstop. Yeah, forever. Green Lance, Graham Jones.

Yo, shout out to them for sure. Yeah, but there's always been this gatekeeper level that's like, okay, this is where you can be. You can be a spectator but not a participator. And the one thing that the internet did, the good thing, was it allowed the gatekeepers to fall back. I'm not saying it allows a lot of great music to come out because that's a whole other different story. But at least it allows artists to be artists.

And then you make up the decision whether they're dope or not. I think what the internet did is it took away the divisions between the different underground scenes. Because in the underground scene, if you're dope, you're dope. That's it. That's all that mattered. If you're whack, you're whack. And it took away. The internet is like, okay, now we can see these different underground scenes and we can connect it in this one big underground scene. I love the 8-Ball MJG

shit when he played Glorilla and gave her a fucking flower and said she really represents Memphis the right way. Because that's ultimately what I want. For Far Rockaway, Keen Streets represents Rockaway the right way. Moolah represents Rockaway the right way. I want the artists that come from my hood,

I want them to represent my hood the right way. You know what I'm saying? And there's artists that do that from my hood i want them to represent my hood the right way you know i'm saying and there's artists that do that in every in every hood in every genre that doesn't matter what kind of music you just want to make sure they represent your hood the right way at the hip-hop museum we're trying to represent everything that you just mentioned and think about all the different artists all the different platforms it's it's just so hard to bring under one roof and try to represent it all properly. It's insane. Well, quick time with

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Obviously, you have a designated drinker. Right. The real reason for this game is not to to pin anybody against each other to bring up stories about anybody we mentioned let's talk about history talk give us some good stories let's talk about people you know i'm saying and places cool you ready y'all ready we got the shots ready wait we gotta get no no we gotta get everything ready yeah yeah you need to shut look this guy's ready to So let me ask you a question. No, he's talking to you.

No, no, no. I'll ask either one of you. Go ahead. So since we did verses, let's not do verses. Let's do concerts. Who would you want to see third base on the road with? Nice and smooth.

Public Enemy. I like Nice and Smooth. These are all good answers. By the way, there is no wrong answer. I was just... Can be. It's all legend and they're the way, there is no wrong answer. It can be. It's all legend and classics.

We were thinking with that boy Van Soat to squash Beef Tour. All the groups that had beef. Yo, let me tell you something. That would be it. You know what's crazy, though? And I will say this. After the press hit. No, no, no, no.

They have beef internally. After the word hit, Drez called me on Monday and said, yo, me and Long made peace. Wow. He said, me and Long made peace. And there's all of these, I hear rumblings that Everlast is talking to fucking Danny Boy again. And this one's talking to this one. Oh, they have beef? Well, I mean, I don't know.

But I'm just hearing even like, word is Pete Rock and CL Smooth. Again, I don't know. But I know that Drez called me and said, yo, we made peace. If you and Pete could do it, we can do it. You know what I'd

like to see? You guys with Hammer on tour. Only those boys. No, I mean, you know, honestly, like I said, man, I would love to make amends to that man. You know what I'm saying?

I think Hammer's a super legend to be honest with you, man. I think the beef scores would work because y'all still have totally different algorithms. Exactly. No, I don't believe...

I think that it could work. No, I think it could work. I don't think we have the same fan base. I think it could work, man. I think it could work. I mean, I think a lot of shit could work. I like to do a reality.

Are y'all ready? Yes. Hold on, let me get my Mama Juana ready. Can we give a toast to the best show DJ in history, Daddy Richo? Yeah, we got to get that. We got to get his two-talk. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go to your night with two. And give it to your father. All right. All right. Nas or LL? Nas. Yeah. Nas. Tipo tan rápido. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane? Big Daddy Kane.

Big Daddy Kane. If one of y'all is off, then we all drinking. That's the way we do it. Y'all got to be on the same page. And no disrespect. I mean, no disrespect to Jay, but bottom line is there's no Jay without Cain. Yeah, no. And remember, any stories?

Because we just went past. No, I mean, we all remember Jay being on the road with Cain. Like, we all remember, you know, that was his crew. Any standout stories seeing him on the road no i mean i just remember like we all we would all try to find ways to lose a lot of money to can yeah i lost a lot of money playing dice um but i remember us always trying to find red lobsters wherever we went to go eat we'd always try to find a red lobster immediately made me hungry yeah yeah in fact i heard we're going to, like, Jerobe's restaurant after this.

So, like. 1-800 where he's sitting at. 1-800. Oh, yeah? Okay. So, anyway. Good. Oh, Dane and Dane or Slick Rick?

Oh, you skipped one, bro. You get it. Oh. And they were in the same group, you know. Yeah, I heard. Can't go cruel. So, here's a story. We need it.

Here's a story, right? So when I was growing up in Redfern, we would listen to these cassette tapes, fourth and fifth generation cassette tapes of Parties and Prospect Park. I used to love those because there was always a group called the Kengo Crew. I couldn't really hear what they said because it was fourth, fifth generation.

So at the time it got to Far Rockaway, it sounded like the teacher in fucking Peanuts. So it's like, I'm trying to talk to some great folks. But they sounded nice. That's all I knew is they had British accents, sounded nice. British accents? Yeah. And they were like Ben Slickwick. Well, Ricky D. It wasn't Slickwick.

It was Ricky D. Wow. And I was like, oh, they're dope. So I get into this high school called Music and Art. Right. And it's the first day of orientation. I take the A train from Far Rockaway to 135th and Convent. Go to school, go to the lunchroom for orientation. And there's these four dudes in Kangos, the Tigra, permanent crease lees, and fucking Wallys. And they're doing Indian Girl. And all the freshman guys had like a senior that took you around. The guy who took me around was named Steve Bosco.

May he rest in peace. And I'm trying to impress him because I'm in this white kid with a Jew fro and I'm from Far Rockaway. And how am I going to know this? So Steve, it's the Kango crew. They're doing Hillbilly Girl. He goes, nah, motherfucker, that is the Kango crew. And it was like the first time I ever saw a rock star in my life because it was Ricky D,

Lance Romance, Omega, and Dana Dane. Wow. So, and the one skit that they started doing in high school in 1980 was a skit called lotty dotty we like to party we don't cause trouble we don't bother nobody there was no record it was just their routine and when we rock upon the mic we rock and all they would go right and it was a skit that they would do at parties. Yo, I bit that whole shit. I would impress girls in Far Rockaway like, you want to hear my rhyme?

Lottie Dottie, we like to party. We don't cause trouble. We don't, right? So for me and fucking Dana, I know you're watching this and I love you, Dana, because you're my man. I got to go with Rick. I got to go with Ricky D because for me as much as I love Cinderfella, Dana Dane and Clark

obviously that's a great adventures album it's crazy it's crazy art of storytelling that he did with Outkast it's crazy like he still got bars so and Dana you know I love you Dana personally first show I ever did with the first group I was in,

Cinque Ano, we opened up for Dana. Wow. When I met Daddy Richard, it was through Clark. And when I knew Clark, Clark was Dana, Dana, DJ. Yeah. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. If Clark Kent died in 1988 or 89, he would be just as big a legend as he was now just because, in my

eyes, he was Dana Dayne's DJ going on tour with Dana Dayne. His connection to me and Rich. So there's basically a drink going on, basically. That's not happening. And the other crazy thing is, when I went to Clark's memorial service, which was amazing,

I mean, everyone from scratch to stretch to Angie Martinez, everybody incredible. I walked past the casket. It was packed. The only seat that was open was the seat next to Dana that I go sit next to Dana. And everyone's mentioning Clark's accolades. And it wasn't until Scratch talked about when Clark was on Soul Train with Dana and like that

to me like when I saw that Soul Train it was so I have to say to anything go ahead salute Dana and to Clark yeah nah this is to Clark man absolutely I still got Trill Burgers.

I wasn't ready for that. I heard it was good. It's fantastic. Trill Burgers is amazing. That's a turkey burger. Shout out to my baby. And he does a veggie burger, too, and the shit's off the chain. Yeah, yeah, veggie burger.

He started with the veggie burger, cleaned the grill, then the turkey burger, cleaned the grill, and then— He cleaned it every time? No problem. Yeah, no, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to my— Or switched the grill, rather, you know what I mean? All right, who's next?

Let's go. Apologies to Rick and Mandy, because they loaned Sleek Rick to throw him to the hip-hop museum. Really? So, yes. Oh, that's dope. That's what I want. Shout out to Salam Remy Museum.

That's amazing. Shout out Salam Remy, man. That's who Salam Remy is, man. My guy, my guy. KRS-One or Rakim? Oh, it's easy, Rakim. I love KRS. Don't get me wrong. Rakim's the greatest MC of all time. Right. Oh, it's easy. Rock him. I love KRS. Don't get me wrong.

Rock him is the greatest MC of all time. Period. And a conversation. Rock him. Okay. I want to hear you. He's a designated. You definitely.

Yeah. Rock. Rock. Okay. Primo or Pete rock. Oh, Primo. It's easy.

These are really, these are like layups. I mean, not for everybody. See, look, he's hesitating. He's like, well, how do I know this? What happened? I used to catch Primo out there in my building. He was seeing a young lady on my floor.

I used to go walk my dog like three in the morning. And I'd be like, oh, for me, it's on the elevator. So we had a lot of talks. And when I had a couple of groups, this kid cage, who cage could not, I had premier do a whole premier beats cages. You brought me to a cage originally. And, uh, premier made a whole tape of Premiere beats. Like, incredible. And Cage was like, nah, nah, nah.

He wanted more. So I have to give it to Premiere. So they agree? No disagree. No, they agree. They agree. They agree? They agree.

BC Boys or Fat Boys? Fat Boys. I got a picture of Serge at a Fat Boys show in 1985 at Roseland Serge has said that he never kissed a white girl and he's there with a white girl who sang the hook

who sang the hook on his record Melissa Melissa this girl was on Who sang the hook. Who sang the hook on a record, Melissa. No, she didn't sing the hook on Melissa. This girl was on Z100. I didn't know this twist was happening. She told this story. My boy, Chris Money here, has that tape somewhere buried in his computer.

She didn't sing Melissa. She says she did. No, she didn't. She said she sang the hook. Really? She said she did a lot of things, man. Yeah, I guess she did. I know.

I don't remember that. But. Wait, wait, wait. I don't know. I don't remember that. But. Wait, wait, wait. I don't know. I think she might have been Italian. That don't count, right? Messing with the snow bunnies. Is she Sicilian?

I think she might have been. If she's Sicilian, you got it. I think she fucked with the Moors. She might have fucked with the Moors. If it's Marky D, I'll say 542. Wow. They agreed again, right? Biggie or Big Pun?

All three, y'all, please. Biggie. Rest in peace to both of those legends, man. Hmm. Hate to disagree lyrics lyrically whatever you're I love big don't get me wrong

I love big pun was a monster with them bars pun was a monster with them bars. Pun was a monster with them bars. That's, fuck both of you. That's horrible. Any stories with Big or Pun? Anybody?

I mean, the only story, I have two stories for both of them. And they're quick. I was doing radio promotion at the time. I was at the beat with Techno Sway. I had OC with me. And Craig Mack and Biggie were on the Big Mack tour. Yep. Right?

One of the best promo items ever. I walk into Sway and Tech and I got O with me and Biggie had already said like, Time's Up was his favorite shit. Like that was his shit. And we walk in and they just go on a commercial break

and i was about to come in and big's about to leave and out of nowhere he just says to me yo he's like search i gotta apologize to you now man i'm just manic depressive right now i don't feel like fucking with you wait who said this to you he just said oh he just said like out of left field like i was like yo big what up pretty honest shit though yeah but then but then the funny part was when we went outside there was a dj that was on the beat and his thing he was a midday dj and the thing was his promo was that celebrity artists would leave a message on his phone like that was his thing. Like, hey, you know, blah, blah, blah.

It's, you know, shy. You know, hey, we're coming for the two and two, blah, blah, blah. Right. So Craig does whatever he does. Like, hey, blah, blah, blah, it's Craig Mack. You know, I got that flavor in you. Come in, I'll see you at 215, whatever. Big comes out, and Craig says, yo, Big, you got to do these promos.

These are kind of promos. He said, and the guy says, yo, you know you got to do these promos. These are kind of promos. He said, and the guy says, yo, you know, it's leaving a message on my answering machine. He goes, I ain't your bitch. I ain't leaving no fucking message on your answering machine. And he's like, no, no, no, Big, you know what I'm saying? He goes, I don't need to understand shit. Car. That was it. And the other pun, the pun story was like, every time I ran into pun, he, well, first of all, he was always happy.

Yes. That was A. B, he always had people around him that made him happy. And he always had like three or four chicks around him that were just like so happy to be in his circle. And he would always make them feel good. It wasn't even like something he had to try. He just had this charm. He had this amazing, like, loving spirit.

And that's what I always remembered about Pun. Hell yeah. And my tattoo, by the way. I have a tattoo. And the guy who did Pun's hands, celebrity tattoo artist on Instagram, he did my tattoo. Oh, okay. You know, at the Hip Hop Museum,

we had this TV show, Me in Paradise, called Hip Hop Treasures. And Cypher Sounds was on the show with us. We would send him out to track out. So we sent him out to Fat Joe's. And Joe had the jersey from the Trinidad fight when they came out. So he was looking like an iconic moment

that, you know, could not be top. Yeah. And I love Big. I love Big. And I know there's always this argument like Big should be in people's top fives and this and that. Well, he's in most people's top five.

A lot of people. But for me personally, again, my perspective, there's like certain artists that didn't have enough time to make enough body of work. Pun and Big are both that. Both of them. Yeah, I agree.

They didn't have enough time to do that. Yeah, yeah and big of both yeah I agree I agree but both made crazy records Beastry or Crush Groove Crush Groove shout out to Sal yeah because the thing is they're both kind of whack now.

If you watch them, they're both great. They're both great. That's what a lot of old movies are. But still. No, it's great. It's great. You got to smoke a joint and get into old school mood. And it gets better with time.

It's like wine. That's what it's like. Smoke a joint and get a drink. Just smoke a physical joint. A mental joint. Yeah. Beach drink. A culture. You look at Harry Belafonte. Yeah. Right. it's like why I just smoked a joint I just smoked a physical joint a mental joint yeah beach street a culture

you look at Harry Belafonte yeah I watched The Last Dragon the other day I was in tears I was like cause now you know like they kung fu

was fucked up like you know like I didn't know I thought they were professionals back then now you gonna look at that and think like The Last Dragon

is fucked up Crush Group yeah Crush Group alright this is this is gonna be tough for you guys Now you're going to look at that and think like the last driver just fucked up. Crush Groove. Alright, this is going to be tough for you guys. Nah, nah, nah. That's a DJ question. Clark Kerr or JMJ? Oh, man.

You're killing it with this one. Well, for me, I mean... I mean, Jam Master J is the reason I'm on like Jam Master Jay found me in Tony D's basement the first rhyme I ever said you know and he leaned back and just like this and he went

fuck if white boys start rhyming like that we're finished I need to take you on the road he said that for real that's verbatim what he said. No, I went down. I harassed Grand Wizard Tony D for six

months. I had given up a four-year scholarship to go to college. I told my mother I wanted to be a rapper and she was like, what do you mean? You're going to rap gifts at Sears? Like, you're a fucking rapper. I'm like, no, no. It's a thing called hip-hop and this, this. She asked me what my plan was. Six months? I'm like, no, no. It's a thing called hip hop and this, this. She asked me what my plan was.

Six months, I'm harassing this dude. Finally picks up the call, says, yeah, I'm coming to the house. It's pouring. It's April. It's pouring rain. It's in Coney Island, Seagate. It's dark. And there's this beautiful brownstone.

It got a green Jaguar sitting on Dayton's X7. It got a fucking DeVille on Dayton's. Got all these fly cars. I'm with my man Bill. I'm like, Bill, come inside with me. He's like, I'm like, where are you going to let me go in by myself? Knock on the door. Opens the door.

Tony goes, who are you? you I said I'm MC Search get the fuck out of here you the guys been calling me yep come in walk through the walk through the hallway opens up into this living room where the kitchen was Grand Wizard Tony

D's man Lord Charu from the Eternal Forces right there Grandmaster D from Houdini Jam Master Jay are right there and Tony is like let's go in the basement I had this little gold chain on with this little gold watch that my father gave me

for my bar mitzvah and I'm going down the stairs and all I'm thinking about is damn I'm about to get robbed by three of the greatest teachers like I'm literally like yo I'm about to get snuffed like it's pitch dark turns on a light light light bulb is doing this there's an Akai 1200 in a booth and he sits me in a seat like this and Jay's there Grandmaster D's there, Lord Cheru's there, and Tony D's behind me and he goes, RAP! Boy. And I was like, so you think you rock well, got a snowball chance in hell to cast

MC Serf, cause I'll ring your bell and sing you a child of my... And I'm going hard for two minutes, HA! And Jay leaned back and went, fucking white boys start rhyming like that, I'm finished, I need to take you on and the next day took me to Rochester New York with Davey DMX opened and that was my career wrote records for Houdini and yeah so

I mean I love Clark but on my side conversely I used to go to Clark Kent's crib on Union badger him to make break tapes for me to rhyme over, begging him. He's already Dana Dane's DJ. I'm trying to get him to be my DJ.

And he's putting up with me. Why is he putting up with you, though? Is there a reason? Because he's Dana Dane's DJ. He's working hot fire. Why are you putting up with him? I rhyme for him. I rhyme for him. And also, my boy Blake introduced us.

And, you know, I had the radio show. Once the radio show came up, I was like, yo, Clark, I can let you go on. You could go off for two hours. Vanilla B and Dana, we all went to high school. Exactly. So like the way we got introduced. So everybody was familiar. Everything just came through.

The kicker is, if it wasn't for Clark, that man right there, Richie Rich, would not have been third base's DJ. How did that happen? Put us on. I brought two of the worst DJs in the history of DJs into this group. Let's just call it what it is. I brought two of the worst

fucking DJs in the history of DJs to this group. I will claim, like I said, I will take responsibility. One kid named DJ Word and another kid named DJ White Knight. I hope they're not DJing anymore because you just...

And both of them... White Knight was nice, man. He was not nice. That name is not nice. No, no. So what happened with White Knight is... For a white kid from the backwoods of Tennessee, he was not nice. So here's the thing. How did you find this guy? I'm going to tell you. So what happened with White Knight? For a white kid from the backwoods of Tennessee. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. How did you find this guy? I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. So Search is like, yo, I'm going to see MC Holiday, right? No, that's not what it was. So who would you go to see?

No, no, no. I was going to see him, but not for what you think I was going to see him for. But either way, Search showed up back in New York with this kid, DJ Night. Yo, Pete, I found out DJ. Yo, he was crazy nice. This kid did not know what a chicken cutlet was. No. Like, yo, we asked him, how do you want your burger at Chung King?

He said, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? I said, medium rare. He's like, oh, we don't do that. Yeah. You're judging him by his food choices? What's going on here? Yo, he was just like, he was backwards.

Could he spin? He did a lot of cuts on the cactus. So he wasn't a terrible DJ. No, he was a terrible DJ because he got... Okay, so you have to meet, and this is, again, my perspective. You have to capture the moment. Anytime this man DJ'd, he captured the moment.

Period. One of the craziest moments in the history of... You're comparing these DJs to the greatest DJs of all time. No, no, no. I'm just saying. But the point is, you have to still capture the moment. There was a moment in Arsenio Hall when he was doing Sit At Home, right? In Arsenio Hall. Arsenio leaned on the turntable

to watch. This motherfucker fades, lifts the needle so it doesn't drop, puts it down, brings it back. Like nothing happened. Like, I'm sorry, technical motherfuckers. You don't know how fucking hard that was because the record should have skipped.

Sitting at home watching home. Wait, you anticipated Arsenio hitting the table? Yeah, the first thing is like that was the first time I ever pulled that routine off clean. I never pulled it off clean even when I was practicing it at home. Oh, so he did live. Right. So, I mean, he stood on the horizon

and whatnot, and I thought it was it worked. Yo! If you watch it, it's like Arsenio Hall, and so you see the needle, and he's It's crazy. So, it's about

capturing the moment. So, I have White Knight in the Battle for World Supremacy. Why? I want him to capture the moment. So I had White Knight in the battle for supremacy. Why? I want him to capture the moment. This kid bricked. Like bricked to the point he got booed. Then wouldn't leave my crib. Wouldn't come outside.

Called his mother. How did DJ get booed and not the artist get booed? No, no. It was a DJ battle. It was a DJ battle. Then he wouldn't leave the crib. And then his mother came to pick him up. Sounds about right.

So, and I shouldn't have never looked outside of New York anyway. We had the greatest DJs in the world in New York. Where was they from? He was from Tennessee. Nashville, Tennessee. So Clark is DJing. We have the radio show together. We could do this show Tuesday night. It's WKCR.

And we start at one hour. We're up to three hours a night. Then Clark's like, I got to go out with Dana. And he's like, yo, don't worry about it. I got my man Richie Rich to cover for me. So that's when I met Richie Rich.

I got the business card that Serge had. So Clark Kent said, this is my man that's going to cover for me. This is him. He's going to fill in. So I actually had the flyers that we used to make. I had the flyer, and I had to put the Richie Rich over the Clark Kent, print it up on alternate weeks. And that's how this man became my DJ first,

because we used to go to Funky Slice making the demos for Brooklyn Queens originally. And then Rich was out of Farmingdale at school and he couldn't get in. So that's why he was going to be our first DJ before night. And he just couldn't make it in. And then, boom. Tell us about how when you made it in, Rich. Listen, first, let's shout out White Knight and DJ Word. I'm on the DJ side.

I feel for that DJ. I have to tell a story. There was one point where, I don't know, it's like DJ Knight also ate like a piece of cake. Didn't he eat like a piece of cake at one point? And Serge got really pissed off at him. And it was like sometimes during a routine. It was like a piece of cake at one point and Serge got really pissed off at him and it was like, sometimes during a routine or just like, it was like a birthday cake or something.

They're in the video. They're in 7 to the AM. They're both in 7 to the AM. They're both in the video. It was just like I told you. I was not in the right head. But at this point, I was totally against DJ Night. Big time. I was like, Serge, what the fuck are you doing?

At this point, I like DJ Night. I was like against DJ Knight. Big time. I was like, Serge, what the fuck are you doing? You're from Tennessee. At this point, I like DJ Knight. I was like, we were in the studio hanging out with him. And then boom, next thing you know, it's like, yo, Pete, Knight's gone. He's out. His mom came to pick him up and he went back to Tennessee. And boom, enter Richie Rich. But just so you know, both Knight

had, and still does, he still DJs as the former DJ of Third Base all through Nashville. So he was officially your guy's DJ at one point. When me and Babito had our label, he actually was DJ Nightwood Discovered Count Base D.

Why y'all dissing him, bro? Let the guy listen. I'm not dissing him. I'm not dissing him. I'm not dissing him. I'm not dissing him. I'm letting the search go so long on this one. I like it. He's called DJ Knight, but he's like DJ White Knight. Let's go with DJ Knight.

I'm just telling you. There's a famous picture in the Hip Hop Connection, the UK, where we had our first photo shoot. And DJ Knight is right there with us. First photo shoot was in the UK? No, no. It was like Normski, I think, took the photos. He came into Elizabeth Street. We went right around the corner and boom.

That was like the first time I think we were in a magazine. Wow. Yeah, you did the next one too. Oh, shit. I lost. Did you get an answer? I think we... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a drink. Oh, we got a drink. We do got a drink. It was split. Cheers and rest in peace. Rest in peace. it was split. Cheers and rest in peace. Rest in peace.

Rest in peace to Jay and rest in peace. Both legends, man. Absolutely. And apologies to Hurricane, but he's the best friend. I couldn't pick Jay on that one, even though I wanted to. I love both of those men. Not just legends, pioneers as well. Yeah, you got another one?

Kid Capri or Red Alert? For me, it's Red Alert and I love Kid Capri even though he looks like me and every time I go yo Kid Capri and I'm like no absolutely you can call Kid Capri right now if I'm in an airport yo kid

yo kid yeah you kid no I'm not Kid Capri goes back so far people don't even know we got him on flyers there was a flyer with Paradise where I think he had a group called the Throwdown 4 where they were battling for the name against Kid Capri

but I gotta when you're putting Kid Capri up against Red Alert it's not fair because there's no way that anyone could no the impact Red Alert had on Just rap radio, the mix show and going back to the Zulu days

Not for the fact, personally, all that he did for us Red would not play a record if he didn't like a record and he did not like 7th of the AM He played it, but he didn't kill it but then he loved Gas Phase and also He did not? He did not like it. He played it, but he didn't kill it. Right.

But then he loved Gas Face. Correct. And, you know, I mean, also, like, the guy, met him in the world. I met him in Latin Quarter, but when me and Rich got together, we made this little demo, and we had the radio show. And Red knew about the radio show, and he had the whole, we could do this thing. We were calling our show, we could do this thing. We were calling our show we could do this right at the same time. And he said,

hey, why don't you do a promo for me? So me and Rich went in, cut it a funky slice, delivered it to him, boom, played it the next week. That's why, you know, he made us, you know. Shout out to Red Alert.

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Swiss Beats or Timbaland, all I hear in my head is Amelie, Amelie, Amelie, Amelie, Amelie. So you're saying Swiss Beats? No, I don't know what that is. No, I know, I know he didn't do it. That's why I'm saying it's funny. That's how I laugh. No, it's Lil Wayne what that is. No, I know. I know he didn't do it. That's why I'm saying it's funny.

That's how I laughed. No, it's Lil Wayne. It's Lil Wayne. He's not on me right now. What are you talking about? I didn't ask nothing about Lil Wayne. Jim Johnson made that, right? No, it's funny because every... Bangladesh.

Bangladesh, but it's funny because every time... I don't know what it is. I know Bangladesh did the beat. Every time somebody says Swiss peace, that's the first thing I hear that's a weird I don't think that's that leftover I don't even know why

I don't know why it is my brain goes to that when I hear Swiss Beats I think of a band from TV but we need you to answer those, sir. Swiss Beats are different. You still want me to answer after I fucked up that? Yeah, yeah.

We got fucked up. I said all kinds of different producers. No, no, no. You want some more time? No, no, no. What did you say? Well, I mean, considering the fact that I'm trying to get Swiss Beats to loan cool hard speakers, how can I not say Swiss Beats?

That's right. Okay. Which, by the way, is super flossed now that we know that. That's a major flex. That's a major flex. That is wild. That's a major flex. 120 grand.

Major flex. Which is great because it went. That's what he got for it? That was sold by Kool Heart. That's cheap. Yeah, it is. I mean, it really is. He actually beat out Nas and beat a bit of Ender.

Because that's American history. Not just history. Dirt off your shoulder, though. Dirt off your shoulder. Listen, you got to make a choice, man. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I got to go with Swiss. I got to go with Swiss.

Just because the DMX shit and banned from TV. Yeah, both went Swiss. Hold on. What did you think? Simba. Oh, shit. All right, drink. We're going to have a drink. We're going to go with Swiss. Just because the DMX shit and ban from TV and y'all both went Swiss. Hold on, what you think? Simba. We're going to have a drink. We're going to have a drink. Put your drinks up. Salud. Tim's made some great records.

Of course. I spoke to Swiss personally. Shout out to Steve Thomas. EPMB Or Nice and Smooth You said it They gonna erase that shit from they mind You ready?

Go Mobb Deep or M.O.P Fuck both of y'all right now Just to play out for the confusion Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? I mean M.O.P., Queens. Get the money. M.O.P. is Brooklyn.

Brooklyn, yeah. Are you sure you're not thinking about... I said Mobb Deep. No, you said M.O.P. You said M.O.P. We got money. Yeah, we got it on camera. Yeah, you've been...

That water is off the chain. A couple of shots. You know, search that it on camera. Yeah, you've been. That water is off the chain. A couple of shots, you know. Search that. Handle the liquor. Most of it is real for you, bro. Wow. I really said M.O.P. Yeah, you did.

Wow. No, Mob Deep. Okay. Mob Deep. Okay. Mob Deep, Brooklyn, get some money. You're about to say it. I got to go Mob Deep, too.

You got to go Mob Deep, too. Brooklyn's in the house. I know you're Brooklyn, see. We ain't going to let you skip this one. We're going to let you skip this one. Because we want to know. M.O.P. Okay, okay, okay.

Come on. Now can we say that one? Time to drink. E.P.M.D. or Nice and Smooth? Don't we have to drink on that one? No, no, no. It's okay. It's okay? Yeah, this one.

E.P.M.D. or Nice and Smooth? E.P.M.D. or Nice and Smooth? Now this one is just, can we take a pass on this one No Yeah it's called drink Yeah Well You can say neither

I'm gonna have to drink on this one Alright pass Yeah I can't pick one either Really Yeah I can't pick one That's what we've been trying to do Trying to do the all show Yeah no

If this is your attempt To do this all show You've failed miserably No no no We've been trying to get y'all to say No I know pass It doesn't matter You're failed miserably. No, no, no. We tried to get you out of state. No, I know. It doesn't matter. You're failing miserably. Yes, yes. I'm going to take this one. That was the toughest one.

Oh, yeah, that was definitely tough. Analog or digital? I would imagine. I mean, for me? For whoever. Pass? Pass. Excuse me? Pass. Pass the mic? Yeah. No, here's the thing. For me, again, just my perspective.

I've been fortunate enough to work with some incredible artists. All right. One of them most recently, Boda James, who, and I'll say it right now, and I'll stand on business, and I don't give a fuck who comes after me on this one. Bode James' last 10 albums, not including the Harry Freud record that he just put out, The Bricktionary. His last 10 albums has not been a single MC ever in the history of the culture,

ever to put out 10 albums as strong as Bodie James. I stand on business. Not Jay, not Nas. I don't give a fuck who he can find. Bodie James Last 10 albums And if it wasn't for digital It would never have happened

So you're saying digital No I'm saying past Oh you're saying both This record on analog This, crazy That that happened That they found the reels is crazy. And transferred to digital.

Crazy. Which is analog. The fact that they found the reels actually has to be analog. Crazy. So I get why he's saying both. And the process that it took. You're really saying both. To bake those reels.

You appreciate both of them. Of course. Of course. You said past, but I get you. Yeah, because I'm saying past because I can't pick one over the other. It's both. How about you? And like Nisha Neshe, Nisha Neshe, Nisha Neshe is about to be a problem. How about you?

I got to say Analog just because it's the foundation of rap records. Like we have the original reels for Super Rappin' and Funky 4, Rappin' and Rockin' the House. And that's the foundation. And that's a great point. Great point. Yeah, digital is making too many untalented people seem talented. I'll go with analog.

I was like, let's get on to that. Everybody taking a drink? There was something about analog gatekeeping that's okay. Does that make sense? Yes. But up to a certain point. Because there were so many

great artists that couldn't get on because analog was so expensive. Great point. And right now, so many artists that couldn't get on. Right. Because analog was so expensive. Great point. Yeah. And right now, so many artists that shouldn't be on are getting on because it's so inexpensive. So it's so cheap. But the drive you had to have to get in an analog studio, you had to be about that life. About that life.

You know what I'm saying? And it really took a lot of effort to get in the studio and make music. Because I respect the people that just had a vinyl record. I was like, I might not like this song, but man, I got respect for you. Yo, bro, when I found that EFN, bro, when I found that EFN K-Def looking for the perfect beat remix, bro, I damn near cried when I saw that. That shit is fire. It's important to preserve the history of Analog

and just the whole studio history. Like, the Hit Factory donated the actual board, the actual studio to the Hip Hop Museum. Wow.

We're going to recreate it. That's dope. And, you know, we, we find all these two-inch, like, I found Roxanne Chanté,

Roxanne's Revenge, the original two-inch master reel. Wow. For the promo that was on, I mean, it started on Mr. Magic. It wasn't even a reel. The promo that was on, it started on Mr. Magic. It wasn't even a record. It was broadcast live on the air. We have the

two-inch tape. I love all hip-hop legendary studios. D&D. What's the name of a couple? Chungking. Green Street. Calliope. Calliope. Calliope was De La Soul. Power Play. Of course Soul Power Play Of course Power Play

Yo Mr. Rodriguez Doc Rodriguez On the board Well down here We had Criteria Which ended up Becoming Hit Factory

And it's Circle House Hit Factory is originally For 57th Street And New York City Right Yeah so I love these things And Circle House

Is legendary Circle House Will always be legendary Circle House Will never die. Yeah, big up. Quad Studios. Me and Richard get a shout out to Funky Spice.

We're in control. Pac's still there. Pac is there? Yeah, his soul is. You can feel Pac's soul when you walk in Quad. I don't know why. Oh, Electric Lady. Electric Lady.

Jimi Hendrix shit. Tell them about the cat. There's that white cat in there Yeah Or the only cat I'm allergic to all cats The only cat You're not allergic to it?

I don't know if I'm not allergic to it It just never broke me out Like I would walk through And everyone would say That's Jimi Hendrix cat I mean like his spirit Right right right Like yeah

Okay Yeah Alright Diamond D or Buck Wilde? Oh Whoa Fuck you Is it Dominican or Colombian Diamond D or Buck Wilde? Oh. Whoa. Fuck you.

This is Dominican and a Colombian who write the questions right behind you. It's not me. We don't write these QuickTime or Slime questions. Those two. Yeah, yeah. That's right. I got a great Buck Wilde story. I know you love these stories. All right.

So I'm working on the OC record. I signed him to Wild Pitch. And I just finished executive producing Illmatic. Wow. Life law. Life law. And the difference between making those records was, you know, Nas made 11 songs. Right.

And I believe with 11 songs. Right. And I believe- I thought it was a take with an intro. Right. And maybe at 40 demos with DITC and Ope. Good. And we couldn't find the right record. I'm sorry to cut you off. No, no, no.

For the fans that's listening, they probably don't know that. When you say 40 demos, you are actually mentioning 40 records? Correct. We talk about analog, right? He's in a studio, two-inch reel, 40 songs. With DITC. Buckwild, OG,

Showbiz, all of them. Working, working, working. All their production? They're bringing back records, and I'm like, nope. Nope. Our offices at Wild Pitch had All their production? Yeah. Okay. And they're bringing back records, and I'm like, nope, nope. So our offices at Wild Pitch had a roof deck that we could go on to to hang out. And at one point of making this record, I thought for sure either I was going to get thrown off the roof or O was going to get thrown off the roof. One of my last meetings with these guys,

they all came to see me. And I thought for sure... Was this DITC? All of them. Buck, O, Cho, O... No, not A. But all of them. And they're furious. I'm fucking up their money.

O got to put out a record. And I'm like, look, you ain't got the record yet. Trust me. I know what the record sounds like. You ain't got it. Two days later, O comes in and the receptionist downstairs, the wild pitcher is named Milky. Milky calls me.

O's coming up. He ain't saying nothing to nobody. My man left his thing in my office so I pull I'm figuring this is when it's going to happen he pushes me out of the way and goes to my dat player and opens the dat player

puts a dat in closes the dat and I'm like yo what's and I'm like yo you come press this play it's about five seconds of fucking emptiness and I hear Ayo Stone, time's up. Time's up. You lack the minerals. And I'm a hair still right now, right? And he turns me around and he says to me, I understand now.

Buck comes up and says, I understand now. And two weeks later, the whole album was finished. Fast forward 30 years later, we're doing this thing called Top Shelf with Rostrum, right? I hadn't talked to Buck in at least 15 years. He pulls me over and he says, yo, thanked you for that anr lesson i said of course you did he says no right after that happened i was in the tunnel and i saw big and big told me that was his favorite record and i got to do story to tell because of that record and if it wasn't for you and it wasn't for you pushing us so hard on those 40 fucking records that we all thought should have been on word Life, we never would have got to Word Life. I never would have got to Time's Up. So thank you. Goddamn, make some noise for that.

What's the answer? What's the answer? Diamond D or Buck? For me, it's obvious. It's Buckwell. Shout out to Buck, man. And Diamond D. DITC, man. Shout out to DITC. Yeah, the whole DITC is crazy. That crew is fucking Book, man. And Diamond. DITC, man. Shout out to DITC. Yeah, the whole DITC is crazy. That crew is fucking amazing, man.

He's saying both because he said pass. Let's drink. Let's say both, not pass. I don't like to pass, guys. Salud. Salud. Oh, Dios mio. Tadaping a la rosa. Where we at?

That's you, bro. That's New York sports stuff. I mean, I got no fucking horse in that race. He got nunca, Geese. That's easy. I mean, for me, that's easy. Queens all day. Mets, Jets, Knicks.

Mets. Good. Wait Knicks. Mets. Good. Wait, wait. Wait. I don't watch none of that. So it's pass. Yeah, pass. So it's a pass on him. He doesn't watch it.

I don't watch it. We don't care. I like this one. But isn't that technically a pass? Yeah, it's a pass. Yeah, it's okay. All right. Pass.

Yeah, that's actually a pass. But there's no drink. Not both. So you got a drink. No, it's not both. It's a pass. Oh, I see. That's the way you should use pass. That's a pass. Oh, I see. That's the way you should use pass.

That's a pass. Oh, I see. How many passes do you get, though? Zero. Is it unlimited passes? No, no, no. It's cool because you're not drinking, so you know. Okay.

Yeah, so it's cool. Designated. You've been drinking, yeah. Flex. Funk flex. Oh, yeah. You can take this one. I'm sorry.

Rewind that. Go ahead. You can take this one. DJ. Flex or Clue? We should start with you. Let's start with you. Yeah, we're going to start with you. Really? More than Clue? You said it. Would you say Flex or DJ? Okay. Oof. Clue doesn't DJ.

No, I get it. I get it. Flex can DJ. And he's Jamaican. And there he is. Now we get it. He's like Leonard Mercy That was hard I'll stay with my brother Daddy Rich Relax Okay

Queens get the money Okay Queens get the money I mean they both They both did A lot of big things Yeah Big up Kool Alright My nigga I mean they both they both did a lot of big things yeah big up close

New Jack City or Juice for real not for me New York that's both that's hip hop that's when you was hating on New York I never hated on New York

y'all were hating on us. We never hated on y'all. Y'all hating on us. We didn't hate on Miami. We didn't hate on the South. On the rest of... We're not going to get into this argument. Listen, do you remember the story you just told?

When I went and then they put two live crew before... Uh-huh. Ahí empezó la cosa. Yeah, but mira. I didn't understand. No comprende. Exactly. You were like... No, no, no. No, I know. No, we never understand. No comprende. Exactly. You were like, I don't know.

No, no, no. Yeah, no. I know. No comprende. Please let him know we never hated him. No, of course not. We just didn't understand. Don't listen to this guy, bro.

Wait, there's a difference between hating and not understanding. I didn't say hating. You did. You just said you hated on us. We got it on tape. We got it on tape. Me di no sa. We got it on tape.

No, no. I'll stand on hating. It is hating. It is hating. We didn't hate. We didn't understand. There's a difference. It's a cultural difference. I like that. New York locked

out everybody else in the country. Because we didn't understand. It comes in and out now. It's not a great story. That is the story, but I'm saying it happened. It happened. It did not happen, but I'm just saying to you that it wasn't based on a hate. it wasn't based on

a hate it wasn't like you did anything to cause hate we just didn't understand it depends when you hear people from new york saying oh y'all bama's y'all this y'all that that is hate that's not understanding new york though but yeah no but and first of all that she called you a bam uh half most of the country are excuse are what would be considered a Bama. FYI, it wasn't Bama. It was bumpkins. It's different. No, we were a lot of things.

A lot of things. No, no. The point was it wasn't because of hate. It was because of lack of understanding. We weren't around you. We can articulate this way different now than we did back then. If I'm the same at 24, then it wasn't 54. I wasted 30 years of my life.

I'll just say this. And this is a whole other podcast. Y'all had some bad bitches. Hip-hop would be different now if New York would have opened up a little bit more at a certain time. Absolutely. Hip-hop would be totally different. That is 100%. Because everybody.

Look where we at now. 100% because everybody now I don't know what you're talking about right now but they let it up and when now but look at how beautiful things are right now. But they let it up. Not right now. But look at how beautiful things are right now. Look how horrible this music is. Get out of here, bro. Get out of here.

Now you don't want to claim it. That's not the way this went. That's not the way this went. I know. That's not the way history. Listen, you're right. History is going to see it. Thank you very much. History is going to see it a different way, right?

History is going to see it as hate, right? I got it. I get it. Forget keeping. Let's not call it hate. Let's call it a different way right history is going to see it as hate right i got it i get it forget keeping let's not call it hate let's call it a version of keeping for me at this point in my life i would just prefer to use different adjectives to describe shit and for me it was just different like we didn't get it like we didn't get we what we loved about it was the things that we understood right going out having a, having a good time, being around people. You know, that part, eating good, drinking good, smoking good, feeling good. Everything else didn't make sense to us.

Like the beats, it didn't make sense to us because we didn't come from that. It was just different. It wasn't hate. It was a lack of understanding. The thing about New Yorkers, and this is the one thing that's just about New Yorkers, we come from a place that's so siloed and so eco. Like, we don't understand how you don't get around on a subway. We don't understand how you don't know every street in the five boroughs. We don't.

That it's foreign to us. Right. Because we're so siloed. So when we come down here and you're like, oh, I don't know how to get there from here. We're like, what the fuck are you talking about? You fucking bumpkin. You just take the blood out of the blood and you just get there. No, I'm not saying now I'm not talking to him a bumpkin. But that's how it was. But no, no, no. Flashbacks. He's like, wait a minute.

No. I don't need any of your people coming from Hialeah right now. I don't need any Hialeah people running up in here. No, but the point, but that was the whole thing. Like, I was just explaining this. I was explaining this to my man from Jersey, right? See, Jersey had the same issue. Yes.

With New York. Yes. My man from Jersey. Brody, Brody. My man from Jersey City, which is five minutes from fucking Newark, doesn't know how to get through Newark. I'm like, yo, you're fucking 67 years old. How the fuck is that possible? You live here your whole fucking life.

How do you not know how to get from this restaurant in Jersey to the fucking trip hotel in downtown Newark? It's five blocks. It's crazy. Because when we were coming up in New York, whether it was Rich or people, you knew that you knew how to take the D train to the A, to the C, to the two, to the six. You knew every block. So it was just a different mindset. And I'm not calling you a bum. No, no, no. Like I said, this is a whole other podcast we could do. We're not going to do it now because when we worked together

when we worked records together I trusted you on everything I would never question you I would never come into another city and be like oh y'all doing it's crazy what about juice

I said both I said both drink oh no that's what I Juice what about Juice I said both I said both yeah I said both drink oh no that's what I'm sorry because he said it was not a New York City it was a New York thing

when it's a hip hop thing New York City Juice is what made me want to really New Jack City or Juice what was it like being on set of Juice by the way

yeah I gotta hear this because that that wanted me made me buy my turntables yo that's some heavyweights, man. You're going against fucking Daddy Rich. The funny thing is me and Scratch were supposed to battle that day. On set?

On set. But he went to Buffalo. So that would have been kind of crazy. But the records that we used and the real records, they didn't get the sample clearance. So like the battles session that everything was overdubbed. But where they were really trying to like, was it real? Was audio really connected? Yeah, they were really DJing.

We were really battling. Wow. Yeah, we're really battling. But Scratch had to go to Buffalo that day, so he couldn't make it. And for Omar Epps, the pump me up part, Scratch did that. The other practice thing,

I think Classic Man did that. That's who plugged us in with the movie. Wow. All Superman. So we saying juice? I'm saying both. Yo, New Jack City was my fuck. New Jack City's off the chain. Yo, New Jack City was my fuck. Yo, New Jack City's off the chain.

Yo, New Jack City was off the chain. And I was uptown when that shit really happened. When they took over that building, that shit, yeah. So are we drinking now? Yes. I think we are. Yes, I lose. Yeah.

You're going to let me. Thank you very much right. Yeah, I'm going to answer this. You're going to let me. Thank you very much. I appreciate you for allowing me to do this. You're just taking my life. My name is not just on the title. It's okay, man. NWA or Wu-Tang?

This is a highly debated. No, it's not even highly debated. It really isn't that highly debated. So, okay. I think it's a terrible pair-up, really isn't that highly debated so okay I think it's a terrible pair up to be honest I don't like the pair I don't like pairing these two up here's the third base story to that

I believe and again my perspective only my perspective based on talking to Dre and talking to Ice Cube if there was no Cactus album the production on the first NWA album would be different. Really? Because Dre and Q, they were so impressed with the production on the Cactus.

One second. They came to our album party to show us the love. The first album was Bomb Squad involved, right? This one? Our album. The first album. Sam Severance did the majority of it. Or Prince Paul. Yeah. Okay.

But he loved... And Prince Paul, right. But Dre and Cube loved Sam's production. Like, that particular, like, they loved... If you listen to that first N.W.A. album, them snares, them drums, they sound a lot like... Which is the Ice Cube

story that he was looking for. Right, okay, okay. But that's a fourth. Sam denies that story that no one ever contacted him. That it might have been something where Bob Scott wanted, maybe Lior was just playing games. Yeah, maybe Lior didn't make the call, right? But that's what... Elroy Cohen gets

the gas face. Right, Elroy gets the call. But the point is, that's why Cube came to New York. Right. I the point is that's why Cube came to New York. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think there's legitimacy in that.

Yeah, whether Lior called Sam or not. It's on that. Right. But obviously Cube made the trek. Yeah, he came to meet with Sam Sever.

But sonically, they made a lot of innovations and followed more of the East Coast lead on production. Like when Africa Islam went out to the West Coast with IC, he brought that whole, you know, six-minute aesthetic, you know, like the beats.

You could hear the influence there. East Coast. Or you could see the L.A. posse coming back to New York and bringing the West Coast to New York. So people sleep on L.A. Posse and Islam like laying the foundation. Which is Zulu. Yeah, for N.W.A. And when you look at what Search is saying,

you know, you see an East Coast influence. Which, you know, like Dante Ross would tell us, oh, this N.W.A. shit is incredible. Which is kind of described in their movie. I remember going to the world and hearing Dope Man for the first time and thinking like, what the fuck is this? This is crazy. Sounded so big in the world.

Dope Man, Dope Man. Yo, that shit sounded crazy. It was incredible, man. Wu-Tang or N.W.A.? It's a bad pairing. It's a very bad pairing. I don't like the pairing. Yeah, I got to pass on that.

Because I think generationally, it's not the right pairing. Yeah. I mean, they're both so important in both. Yeah. I'm going to pass. I'm also going to pass. I'm going to pass. I'm going to pass.

Wu-Tang. Everybody drink. Everybody drink. To Wu-Tang. I almost knew he was going to answer that. I almost read his whole podcast. I knew it. I actually am not mad at that. And there it is.

Okay. All right. Huanji, you're not ready? What's my count? Prince Paul or Lars Papro? Oh. Ooh. I'm 99% sure I know what Rich and Pete are going to say.

All right, Nostradamus. I'm 99% sure. But what are you going to say? Right. All right. Spit that shit out, man. I mean, I'm going to, I'm waiting for y'all. Like, I'm just playing my poker face.

Yeah, bro, you can't do that. You can't leave. Why can't you? Okay, so large professor. Okay. I got a pass on that one. I can't. You and your passes, man.

Say both. Say both. Say both. Both, both, both. Last professor. I'm surprised. Which says that? I'm surprised. No, I'm surprised.

I thought you would say principal. So maybe two out of eight. As a person. I don't know. No, as a producer. Okay, no drinking. No drinking. That's fair enough.

I'll do it. ODB or Bismarck. Wait, wait, wait. You got to drink. No, no, no. Two out of eight. Oh, no drinking. That's fair enough. I'll do it. ODB or Bismarck? Wait, wait, wait, you got to drink. No, no, no. Two-hour one. Oh, I see. We just changed the rules in the middle. We just do that.

It's your show. You can do it. ODB or Bismarck-y? Bismarck. Bismarck. Bismarck. Okay. Rest in peace.

Rest in peace. Cool G-Rap or School BD? Absolutely. Fuck you. G-Rap. Yeah, I got to go G. Queen Rap. Queens get the money. rest in peace rest in peace Kool G Rap or Schoolie D absolutely fuck you G Rap yeah I gotta go G Queen Rap Queens get the money

G Rap but Schoolie D is an original I love this one Ye or Pharrell Pharrell Ye Pharrell Dre

who said Ye oh 2 to 1 wins right new rules oh yeah I was about to radio drink for it Okay Queen Latifah or MC Lyke Oof

Not pass Say both If you're gonna pass Do not say pass Say both Yeah if you're gonna say both Have you ever seen the Paper thin video

Of course What you gonna say Just paper thin Who's doing this Do you look closely You're in there Yes Get the fuck out of here Me and Sarsha Just show up all Wearing Yo Who's doing this? Do you look closely? You're in there? Yeah.

Get the fuck out of here. Me and Serge used to show up all the time. We're in the top villain video. His father. In the top villain video? Yeah, I'm in the top villain video. So his father. Milk is chilling. Yeah.

So his father. Oh, it's the pool. So his father worked, you know, he was at Bishop Ford High School. They had the jopest letterman jackets jackets, black, red and white leather sleeve. His dad, for my birthday, had made an MC search Bishop Ford that said GW for go white boy. And I wore that shit in the milk and the audio to videos. Yo, that's iconic. But you got to check out the light video because...

I played a fucking Italian muscle boy. That's what fucking... With soul. With soul. I need you to be an Italian like Guido with soul. The description is wild. Yeah. An Italian muscle boy with soul.

Yeah. That's what Lionel Martin told me to do in the video. That's a wild description. That's what she said. It's kind of fire. Wait, wait. So we all said both? Yeah, I used to DJ for like.

Really? Like we're in a group together as kids. So like. Alright, drink. Alright, drink. Yo, cheers to you for that. That's legendary shit. Rich's Neighborhood got crazy history.

Podcast or radio? Podcast or radio? Podcast. Podcast. Means like the same thing Kind of But you could curse I say podcast right Yes there you go

Damn we're on the same page Shit Public enemy or gangsta Rest in peace to guru Rest in peace guru Just public enemy is so important. Yeah. I think for me, I can't think of a public enemy.

That's an unfair. That's my default on these type of questions. I think that the person would say the people, the predecessors. I mean, we basically saw them from the beginning. And we saw the world because of them. I mean, literally saw the world because of

Public Enemy. We opened for them for damn near two years. I mean, Clark Kent, he got the test press of River Without a Pause to play our show from Red. And you know, you just saw like that record. That record alone, if they just put out that record at the Latin Quarter. And it was crazy, the year before

because, you know, Young Bum Rush, the show, people tend to forget that Young Bum Rush, the show, is the Latin Quarter. And it was crazy. The year before, because, you know, Young Bum Rush, the show, people tend to forget that Young Bum Rush, the show, was the first album. It did not have that. It had my 98. It didn't have that impact. No.

Right. I remember them getting booed offstage at the Latin Quarter for the album release party. It was new. It was a revolutionary. It was not only new, but it was different.

Yeah, and nobody was checking for it. Right. And then a year later, they came with that, and it was a wrap. Like, that record literally became the stick-up record in the Latin Quarter.

Like, when that record... The stick-up record? Yeah, like, when that record came up, you took off your... Because they sucked it on... They stick up kids down the tax?

Which record are you talking about? No, Rebel Without a Paul. Oh, I thought you meant... Public Enemy incited people to jacking people. That's wild. Yes! No, no, I can see it. Yo, dudes were getting snubing people. That's wild. Yes! No, no.

I can see it. Dudes are getting snubbed. That's wild. Public Enemy is positive. Positive revolution. No, no. Fuck all that. In the line,

what the fuck all that? The original 50 Cent, his brother A-Rock, all the Decepticons. When that record was going vicar vicar, and I was dancing with like ICU. Just the siren it sounds chaotic too

they call that the kill the white man noise 50 Cent that's what he calls it 50 Cent would tap me, the original 50 Cent would tap me and go get off the floor search get off the floor, go to the ball beep beep, vika vika yes, yo it was rad

that and Ghost Etza Ghost Etza and Ultra Magnetic Yes! It was rad. That and Ghost Etza. Ghost Etza and Ultra Magnetic. Wow. And Top Billing. Top Billing would do it. It was a terrible era. It was the greatest era ever.

It was the greatest era ever. I would go back to that tomorrow. The first Enlighten video. They pulled you up immediately. Yep, that's me right there. That's me. Oh, shit. That is you. Look at you.

Young you. Yep. And the funny thing is, I'm the same way there than I am now. Like, literally, I'm in the best shape of my life. Shout out to Search Enlighten. Shout out to my man Easy Agee and the Cold Crush, who's the most healthy man in hip hop. It's the health in hip hop. Hell yeah, we need that.

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Oh, man. You know, honestly, I'm going to go with MC Hammer If I had to pick two MC Hammer I got to go with Hammer Because you know Because you can say what you want about Hammer But Hammer legitimately like cared about the culture I think Hammer is a legend bro

Like one of the things that I love that Chuck D's wife Used to say all the time Was Chuck D's wife would always say that Hammer is the only rap artist that plays in my house. I respect Hammer like a motherfucker, bro, to be honest with you. I think Hammer does have the

dance. Because she didn't play hip-hop in the house. She wouldn't even play Public Enemy, but she'd play MC Hammer. Meaning? Meaning that for her, Hammer's music and how he... Was safe for the kids to hear? And just, it felt like music that the whole family could enjoy.

I remember Hammer said some shit like, you know, Oaktown 357, so I'm on third base. Third base went double wood. Yeah, double wood. We went double wood. And let's not forget, Hammer was a real ass dude, too. Well, his brother... He had some real ass shit going on. His brother was real. Lewis Burrell, yeah. Lewis Burrell was a real dude. Hammer said y brother was real. His brother was real.

Lewis Burrell, yeah. Lewis Burrell was a real dude. Hammer said y'all went double wood? Double wood, yeah. He said we went double wood. That's where that term came from. We all used it. We still used it.

Double wood, none. O-Town 357 sold more records than Third Bass ever did. We went double wood. Shout out to MC Hammer. Yeah, man. Shout out to MC. And the Holy Ghost Boys

who got booed off the stage at the Latin Quarter. Who's that? That was his group. New Music Seminar, I think it was 87. 87. He performed at Latin Quarter. Paradise will tell you. Yep.

Wow. This got real. But no remorse for Vanilla Ice? Fuck that. I picked Vanilla Ice. Hey, drink. Vanilla Ice fell out there on the tour. Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, I'll pick Vanilla Ice. cares about hip-hop as well. Is his name Pappy Van Winkle?

Robert Van Winkle. Robert Van Winkle? You don't think so? All I know is I heard. You don't think so? You know I used to love you, right? You don't think so? I love you. You don't think he you You don't think so You know how long we go back You don't think so

I heard that Vanilla Ice has a house That's an entrance to another house So I don't know what that means It means you got a lot of big houses So no he doesn't care about his house Nope Okay we made friends with Hammer.

Let's make friends with Ice. No, that's fine. No, you want to toast him? He's not my friend anymore. I'm just saying. No, no, no. I'm just saying. If I'm toasting or whatever.

No, no, no. We're toasting. No, because he picked it up. Let's all reconcile all problems. No, it's not a problem. I don't have a problem with any human being anymore. Like, literally, I have no problems with anyone. It sounds like you've got a problem, sir.

But you really don't think that he ever cared about hip-hop? Oh, absolutely not. Really? You think that was all a gimmick? I believe that he saw an opportunity and he took it. Really? You don't think he ever cared as a human being about the culture? I don't think he understood what the culture was. Yeah, that

part. In Miami, he wants to drink. He's feeling good. No, because he wants to drink. He's feeling good. No, I thought it was you. He's in the vibe. He's with his man. He's like, fuck it. The legendary DMX's DJ, DJ LS1 is here. You know what I'm saying? Yo, he's having a good time.

He's feeling it. He's fucking this. Hold on. We got another legendary DJ Clipson. Fucking fat beats. Fucking fat beats. Yo, a lot of fucking legends in here, man. Wait, but hold on. All right, so we say that he doesn't care about hip-hop.

Let me ask you, though, in fairness, because... I really did like it. I can't let that search word just be, you don't think Vanilla Ice cared about hip-hop at one point? Not even a little bit? A little bit? A little bit. Tiny bit?

I mean, when that record came out i think the first time we heard ice ice baby we were on that detroit station i saw a little bit to it he was like the detroit station where you had to go all the way up on a building like the 60th floor that station oh you did you did the one thing about that record is the sample is dope that's something that we would have Flipped the David Bowie shit So in a way you're kind of mad like Ah he grabbed that shit

But the thing was he didn't take credit for it Which makes him super whack He didn't take credit for Sample he said oh the David Bowie shit Goes boom boom boom That was terrible My shit goes doom doom doom Yeah No that was whack Yeah goes boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That was terrible. My shit goes doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.

No, that was wack. You wouldn't care? Yeah. But, again, if we're talking about the same way we were talking about Pock and Big as a young man, maybe he was just ignorant to the way that went. And that's why. But, again, again, my perspective, when

you show growth, right? I was like, I have to quote Chub Rock. Because Chub Rock. The great prophet. The best verse ever in the song. Crank it on the grill. You know what he said. Crank it on the grill.

Yeah. He said he could wrap his lips around something. Right. I'll leave it at that. I'm going to leave it at that. I mean, don't leave it at that. No, no, no. It's weird now. It's weird now. No, no, no. It's weird now. It's weird now.

No, no, but the point is. It got weird. Again. Listen, Chubb Rock's verse on that record is one of the most underrated verses of all time. Of all time, without question. Shout out to Chubb Rock. One of the most underrated FTs of all time. Chubb Rock.

Chubb Rock on Dream Channel. So, I just think that, like, when you look at, again, my perspective, I owe this culture everything. Like not just like I would be selling shoes at Nordstrom. Like I would not have a life. Right. I would not have Echo. I wouldn't have had Nuvo. Nothing.

Nothing. I would have been a shoe salesman, period, in the conversation. Or a chicken delivery guy. Or a chicken delivery guy. I would have been delivering pizza. I'd deliver chicken. I had no skills. Right.

Hip-hop gave me my life. Pop Goes the Weasel was such an important record for us, not because we wanted a pop record. There was an intent to that record. Hip hop got turned into hip hop. The second record was number one on the pop chart. But don't skit on the heart that got it started in the ghetto. Let no one forget about the hard part.

Now in 91, we got a new band, a new brand looking like the same old Klan, same old Thieves of Sceave. We got to make sure the real rappers got to endure. Why score more points in one period?, appearing in complex structure like a pyramid. Bro, we cared that much that we were like, oh, let's take the most obvious record, go to pop stations and tell them about 30 fucking records they should be playing. Fuck us. Forget about us. We would come with De La, we would come with Naughty, we would come with daylight we would come with naughty we would come with black sheep we would come with queen latifah we come with moni moni in the middle we come with chub rock special ed we go to the z100s we go to the bzz's in fucking pittsburgh we go to kiss fm

in la biggest pop stations in the world we're number two number one most requested and be like here's about 30 fucking records you should be playing. Don't play Marky Mark. And I mean, I love Mark Wahlberg. Here's a hundred other records. And they're like, here's Vanilla Ice. But also, we respect all the people who came before us, who laid the foundation.

I mean, when we did Rap Mania in 1990, we're with Earth, Lovebug, Starsky, and all the Rusherc, Lovebug, Stars, and all the Rush groups, Rock Him, everybody. At one point, that was, and they considered that the 15th anniversary of hip-hop in 1990. Wow. Saying that it

started in 75, like Bambada, Herc, Van Silk, and them got together and said 75 is the starting date. Industry and break. Yeah, yo, and so it's like, yo, so how you gonna have a dude who's like and then he says he's from one place but he's from another like you know you talked about it like a little while ago we were talking about like you know really repping where you from

there was no authenticity there and then like four years later he's got dreads and he's trying to make a record about culture come on man, man. Stop that bullshit, man. And at that point, there was so much great hip-hop out. Redman, Method Man, Wu-Tang, Nas, Biggie, most just came out. Anyway, I just think that

there was a level of credibility that just never he never ascended to. And great he hit a lick. Great, good for him. It's kind of all worth it with the Suge Knight story. Yeah. I forgot.

Yeah. I'm off the balcony about his publishing. And he tells a story. So Vinil Ice is worth it just for that story. That story keeps changing even today. Yeah. So I'm just saying, like, for me, when you look at, like, artists for me, when you look at artists,

you look at artists overall, you want them to have some credibility, some integrity when they do what they do. I'll leave it at that. Now that you're leaving it at that. MGK or Insane Cloud Pops?

MGK. MGK. MGK, or Insane Clown Pops? Oh, MGK. What's that? MGK? MGK. MGK. I wasn't in none of that shit. And there it is. Best answer.

I think we got to take a shot. Just because that was just. Yo. That was just. That was just that. Yo, answer. We might have to add a drinking segment to that.

I don't fucking know that shit. Actually, I think that should be official like a ref with a whistle moving forward. I don't fucking know that shit. Yeah, I don't fucking know that shit. It's a part of the show now. That's straight from Beverly Road. Eminem or Busta Rhymes? Hey, man. You took my words out of my mouth, bro. That's what she said.

You took my shit first Eminem or Busta Rhymes Jesus Yeah, I'm Both We figured that What do you drink? It's tough for me because Rosenberg

and Eminem were donating one of the Rap Boy costumes to the Hip Hop Museum. So it's hard for me. Yes, I have a little like. You got voices and dresses. I'm conflicted right there, you know. He's like, well, because. I think your boy Jonathan Mannion has some of Buster's dreads that might end up in the museum.

He does. You got dreads from Jonathan Mannion from Buster Rhymes. Yeah, so. And you got Rosenberg. I'm going to have to say a tie there Okay, no, no, he going to fuck it up What's a tie? There's no ties in drinking Busta Rhymes What do you mean we're not drinking?

First of all, you cannot say anything You're the sober guy That's exactly right. I want to have fucking fun. I want to watch out drunk motherfuckers. A tribe called Quest or Brand Nubian? Fuck you. Whoa, that'll get the weather.

I love this guy. You know what I'm saying? I love this guy. No, it's okay. Jesus. I mean Tribe Queens Okay

And it's really hard too because That's what she said Let's give Let's give Let's give that Just a talk Hell yeah bro Well done Wait I got this one

No of course you do Dr. Dre or RZA Any criteria And if you got a story Dr. Dre or RZA any criteria and if you got a story any criteria and you can't answer first God bless you God bless you now I know you love me

I'm gonna have to run a second time Jesus Chris answer first RZA okay so now I'm the tiebreaker right so be it Dr. Dre Dr. Dre

I don't think we don't alright last one you got it buddy loyalty or respect? My perspective. Go for it. The way my father raised me, may he rest in peace. Rest in peace.

Is you cannot have loyalty without respect. You can have respect without loyalty, but you can't have loyalty without respect. You can have respect without loyalty, but you can't have loyalty without respect. So I'm going to say loyalty. I would say rest in peace, Merv. I'll go along with Serge on that one. I'll go along with it. Me and you, if we're going to take a shot,

we believe that it's both. We always believe it's both. Respect for your past, man. Love your past, bro. Because you can respect somebody but not be loyal to them. Absolutely. But you can't have loyalty without respect. The one thing all of you guys have, all of y'all,

because I've been around all of y'all, is you have loyalty and the respect is built in. And that's why we came here first. So let me ask. Thank you, bro. Hold on, hold on. Thank you guys for coming here first.

Goddamn. Let me ask y'all real quick. You, sirs. Let me ask you about rape. Whoa. Whoa. I know what he's about rape. Whoa. Whoa. I know what he's talking about. Yeah.

Go ahead. What do I want to talk about? Rappers against phony entertainers. That's what she said. Yeah. No. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. So there's two stories. There's two great stories about that. Right? So what he's talking about, for those who don't know, on my record, Paco's a weasel.

I said, I got a squad, a bunch of entertainers started rape, rappers against phony entertainers. The label called me, especially a couple of female executives, and said, you cannot say rape on a record. I said, I didn't say rape on a record. I said rappers against phony entertainers on a record. I used an acronym, R-A-P-E. They're like, yeah, but you don't spell it out, pardon.

But you don't spell it out. I said, I don't have to spell it out. I explained it on the next line. So fast forward 1 a thousand years, I'm the first MC ever to perform at Epcot. Epcot? In Orlando? In Orlando. I'm doing the Food and Wine Festival.

It's a nice bag. And they're like, we need you to do one thing. You can't say rape. I said, no problem. yeah i said i started a group called rappers against phony entertainers right so that's a so that so that that's what and that's always been one of those things that when people hear it they feel some type of way until i explain it right yeah that's exactly why i asked the question that way right right no so people feel they feel some type of way until I explain it, right? Yeah.

That's exactly why I asked the question that way. Right, right. No, so people feel some type of way. Everybody was like, what? But the second thing was, the second thing, though, that was really critical on this, right, derelicts of dialect, is Pete came up with this idea

of us being disheveled, right? Looking like we're fucking derelicts. The label said, no, that can't be the album cover. This could label said, no, that can't be the album cover. This could be a promo cover. It can't be the album cover. They're talking about this specific cover? I said, why? He said, it'll turn away

your... You just fucking up my shit. I'll get you. I promise. That's what Buju did. He just threw my shit all over the place. Take this serious. This is my stuff. He just threw my shit all over the place. Take this seriously. Take this very seriously. This is my stuff. So the label said, it'll scare away the impulse buyers.

Album went gold in 30 days. Wow. So there was two things. And when I hear the Kanye's of the world, or I hear the Drake Drake's of the world or I hear the Kid Cudi's of the world. And when they say the label told me and I did blank, I'm like, good for you. Because labels don't know. They'd like to believe to play it safe like they know, but they don't know. Right.

The artist has to have the intuition. He had this intuition and it was great that we should be Daryl Lux of Dialect. We should be homeless. We were in makeup for, I don't know how long it was, five or six hours. Yeah, dude from Saturday Night Live did the makeup for us. And it was great. And we're playing in the cold and like having a good time and enjoying like the moment of like that. Right. But to know that this dude who is the senior VP of marketing and oh, I'm the big guy getting this whatever and we can't put this

record out. Went gold in 30 days. Now what you got to say? How about you go do your job? Wow. And we had a number one and we almost had a number one pop record with a record that said, we started rape rappers against

40 entertainers. Jesus Christ. And it played on pop stations all over the country. And we pretty much broke up in the middle of it. Right. They were trying to push us. They were trying to push us more pop. They were trying to put us

on all the pop stations. We would show up on the pop station and kind of flip on the host or whatever. Not even the host, we'd just flip on the program. Yeah, the whole format. Yeah, we're like, yo, play this. Like, when we were out in 91,

Can I Kick It was huge. Your fucking black sheet choice is yours. And they weren't playing that shit. No! And even, like, we were gold. It was so hard to go gold back then. Like, people don't even realize. No, gold was playing back then. Tribe used to we were gold. It was so hard to go gold back then. Like people don't even realize.

Tribe used to open for us. Like it's ridiculous. And now it's like, yo, why these are hit records? And they're like, we're going to play some bullshit. But now Hot 97 is now I think technically a pop station yep you know i'm saying like we've we've grown in such a way and the culture has grown in such a way where the things that we had to worry about no longer are worries right the the challenges that we had to have are no longer challenges and the thing that's so funny is 35 years later when i talk to like you know big daddy kane and epmd and public enemy and all the groups that are out and they're touring they talk about how much fun they're having on the road now they're talking about like being this age and

like enjoying being on the road and having fans that are this age who come out and they are like freedom thing though as well bro it's being free you perform at eight o'clock now and you're home by 11 right yeah you're home by 11 yeah yeah i like you know i'm saying yeah i like it you know i'm saying let me ask you guys kmd you recently seen tyler pay homage i'm gonna take take a pee pee To MF Doom What is that lineage To KMD And then you have MF Doom

And then he passes And then he's this phenomenon now Well I mean for me I met Doom when he was 14 years old You know I mean for people who don't know remember you're talking to us no no no

alright so Doom people don't know what KMD is right so what that whole thing is with 3rd base right so even before 3rd base so when I had my solo record out

indie record I used to hang out in Long Beach, Long Island and I used to hang out with this kid I met I met Brandon ah what up and his man Otis

and they had a whole crew called GYP, which became my crew. And it was Mr. Hood, Heme, Diego. And then we would all get a haircut from this kid named Subrock. Right. And it was Subrock and Daniel Dumoulin, a.k.a. Art. And they were brothers. Right. And Doom's name at the time was Zev Lovex. So it was him, it was Subrock, and their boy, Onyx. And I always told them, when I get on, you get on. Like, when I make it, you make it. Right.

So we had a term around our, like, little crew called the gas face, which was the face that girls made when we'd go to the mall and try to get a number. Right. And they would look at us like, and we're like, damn, we spent all that gas money to get that face. That's how the word came out. That's the gas. They gave you the gas face. You spent the money

on gas to get that face. And then we just kind of condensed it to gas face. I think it meant that it was another kid who first started using it. And then started using it. And then started using it. Then it infiltrated. But that's where it came from.

Started taking me out to Long Beach. But he was going out to Long Beach with Doom at the MLK Center. That's where. Didn't you first meet him at the MLK Center? Yeah, we all met at a point. And that ties into Public Enemy because Dre and Spectrum City were putting together those shows with T-Money and all them. MLK Center. And Grandmaster Reggie

Reg and the Playboy Club and all these local DJs. But you gotta understand, these kids were mad young. So I don't want to make searches hanging out with 12-year-olds. No, Dume was 14. Dume was 14. But Ahmed and Otis were my age. Ahmed was like, I was like the oldest one.

Right. So we get on. Album's 99 albums 99 done first you put on we had a contract with a med notice right remember that they had to finish school right and they were going to be our dancers you had a contract with camdy and i know with the med notice from gyp okay so it was a whole crew of them called gyp and we it was like the back of this album. So just understand, the whole crew involved Camdy? So let me show you. They were all together.

You see this cover? This was Ahmed's basement. This was GYP. That's GYP. This is all GYP. The people behind you. All GYP. Right.

And right here is Onyx. And there's Doom. And there's Em and there's Diego and there's Gasface. This is our whole crew. That's GYP. We ran all over New York.

I used to go out there with you with the Delta A's. So, we're finishing the album. We just did Brooklyn Queens. They got us on the beat. I was like, yo, we should do Gas Face. No, but even before that, we took Doom and Subrock into

the studio with the Bomb Squad when we were doing Step Into The AM and Oval Office, which was before the album even came out. You gotta be careful saying Doom because Doom was not a person yet. We were doing Step Into The A.M. and Oval Office, which was before the album even came out. I mean, they came with us with everything. You got to be careful saying Doom because Doom was not a person yet. Well, he was Zavlovak's. That wasn't a thing yet.

No, no, no. It was a thing because his name was Daniel Dumoulé. We always called him Doom. He was already Doom. We always called him Doom. We did not call him Zavlovak's. He was called Doom. Yeah, we always called him Doom.

This is above my head. You always called him Doom. He was always called Doom. Always called him Doom. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, because that was his last name, Daniel Dumoulé. Right, wow. So he was always Doom. We always called him Doom. always called him doom yeah because that was his last name Daniel Doomale so he was always doom

so that's where he evolves into this no well he evolves into that for another reason they had this other kid Jade 1 down with them and they had a demo that's the first time we heard the actual demo cause doom would always write rhymes he wouldn't spit them

we wouldn't hear a tape but we would hear him some of his beats. And Subra made beats all the time. Before the mask. Way before the mask. Way before the mask. They were both obsessed with production, so we had them in with Keith Shockley, Vietnam in the studio. They're watching them.

They're learning things. And they're taking that shit back to Long Beach. Doom got some equipment. I forget what. He had an Akai S-something. Doom got some equipment. I forget what. He had an Akai S something, like an S9. I think he had an SP-12. SP-12. And that's when he started making the first demos.

And Jade 1 was in it, then Jade 1 went out, and then Onyx came in. And that's at the point where Prince Paul sent me just a cassette with some beats and that's where the Gas Face beat was on so I gave it to Surge, gave it to Doom and we had this idea yo, this could be the Gas Face so we were on the Long Island Railroad

going out to Island Media Studios yeah, but first we asked Doom we were like, Doom, can we do the Gas Face? because it was like a GYP thing it wasn't even like that, it was like let's do the Gas Face, he were like, Doom, can we do the gas phase? Because it was like a GYP thing. So we wanted to make sure. It wasn't even like gas. It was like, yo, let's do the gas phase. He's like, yeah, let's do it.

Because that term was the crew's term. Right. That's what you're saying, right? So I wanted to make sure everybody was cool with it. But I was like, yo, if we do it, you got to jump on the record. Right. And we wrote the lyrics on the Loyal Railroad on the way to Island Media. Yeah, which was Paul's studio where he was working.

And rest in peace, Don Newkirk was in the studio with Paul, just hanging out. And it was all spontaneous. When you hear the outtakes with Hammer and all that shit, all improvised, like off the top of the head. Not even planned. Like, Doom had written out the only thing that we planned was that

Doom wanted us introduced a certain way like oh the prime minister now everybody mc search so he dictated that he actually wrote it out i have search we all dropped the lyrics on the floor i picked them i still have the lyrics to this day and i have doom's handwritten handwritten instructions to what gas face the gas face okay you have the actual the actual search's lyrics where he crushed shit out. My lyrics. We don't have Dooms because Dooms was in one of his

Marvel rhyme books. And that's how it happened. And Don Newkirk kicked the intros and then we just went nuts and the whole Hammer thing came in there and the rest is history. No, it's not. I mean...

So basically... You ain't got nothing to do with it, but you got to take a shot for that. Take a shot. Where's you at? Let's get it. Hold on. Let's wait. Let's wait.

So anyway. So after the record comes out, Dante, who is working with us. Dante Ross. Dante Ross. Sorry. Dante Ross. He got the gas face. Did you give him the gas face?

No, he didn't get the gas face. No, yeah. So Dante went to Electra. Sorry. Dante Ross. He got the gas face? Did you give him the gas face? No. He didn't get the gas face. So Dante went to Electro. And we were like, yo, we started a production company called Rom and it's fundamental. Riff. But before that, we had Lior signed to manage

KMD with us, with Riff. Really? 10%, 10%. So we already had doing them under us right before Elektra. Salud. Salud. So the first part was to try to get them on Def Jam. And...

Russell wasn't feeling it. KMD. But KMD was considered edgy at that time, right? KMD was unknown. Because it was just Zevlov X's verse on Gas Face. So everybody was like. Which you can't understate that because we're taking Doom on Arsenio.

We're taking him on the road with Kane. Like Doom is out there, you know, like as a young kid. Like Sub Rock would come out sometimes because he was still, they were both still in school. But Sub was like, what, two years younger? And yeah. So Doom was out there more with us. And he experienced things that a kid his age would never experience. Right.

But he was with Tupac on the tour. He was with Tupac? Yeah. Yeah. Doom? Yeah. Yeah. Because we had Zev Lovacs on the tour with Third Bass.

So every time he did Gas Face, he came out. Wow. Zev Lovacs. So how does that feel to see the way that Tyler revered him on this I mean it's incredible honored him

the thing like is that weird no it's not even weird but here's the thing if his brother Subrock didn't die there is no doom that's terrible yeah I mean the point that Subrock didn't die. There is no Doom. That's terrible. Yeah. I mean, the point that Subrock passed...

You say that's why he donned the Doom. Doom was depressed. I mean, he lost his brother and the album, Black Bastards, which, you know, we kind of split up at that time. I was managing KMD with Babito.

Yeah, and Doom created the cover, and it was, they had the iconic Sambo character, which was a whole message, which was anti-Sambo. That was the whole message. So he did this artwork where he

had a hangman game with black bastards. Let me tell you a great story. I'm sorry. Please hold your spot because I love this story. When we were doing the video for Gas Face, Doom and Subrock made KMD

shirts. Handmade, like with a marker? With the sample. Lionel Martin from Classic Concepts, who was the video director and Ralph McDaniels from Video Music Box, when they see it, they cut. Lights

up, and they're like, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit on your fucking face. Fuck you, Sambo. Get that shit out of here. This young man is talking to a grown man, educating him on what this face is. And within five minutes,

he was like, yeah, you can stop. But that was like the level that they both were on in terms of their frequency, like how they would put positive ions in the world, like how they would understand how to break down Ansar Law stuff where you wouldn't feel like a villain.

Right. You know what I mean? like the way they the villain. Yeah, right. And at the time there, they're selling oils on the on the with with Dr. York and, you know, they're there on that whole mindset. And, you know, doing coming up in that environment, you know, he just he was a deep thinker. And when he made that album cover, there was so much thought behind it.

So Havelock Nelson at Billboard looked at it and he didn't get it. And he wrote an article. Scathing. Scathing, saying that this was disrespectful to black people. And Ice-T's cop killer controversy had just happened with Warner. And Alexa's under Warner. The next thing you know, it's like an avalanche with Sylvia Roan and all these people are against it. Next thing you know, Bob Craswell's telling Dante, the album's done.

We just mastered the album. They already paid all the money. And it's ready to go. The single is already out what a nigga you know it's already been released promo and it's already out on the radio and they dropped the whole shit

they dropped them completely Subrock had already passed away so this was almost like a tribute to Subrock because he had done so much of the production he came into his own as an MC on the album and I remember just being at the memorial service where Doom was playing the album next to Sub Rock's Casket. And it was deep.

And the fact that Doom lost his brother, lost his career. I tried to get that album signed to Def Jam. Tommy Boy, no one would touch it. He wasn't wearing the mask yet. No, no mask whatsoever. And Doom went to D.C., he went down south, he was all over the place, and he disappeared for a while. There were a number of different...

He was hanging out a lot with CM Mob, Curious George, and all them. And at some point, he re-emer reemerged back at the, you know, the the New Yorican, you know, cafe. And that's where he came with the sock over his head. That's that was the start of him. Remember the white MC we told you, the very first white MC, Vanilla B, Kyo. He designed the mask. Really? For Doom. But it's crazy.

This is the whole journey. He met Subrock through Doom through Babito. Babito went on to Def Jam through us. It was just this whole circle. And then Blake actually designed the first mask for

Doom. Which was, I think, it was one of the wrestler from the something mask for Doom. Which was, I think it was one of the wrestler... From the... Yeah, something from a wrestler. Yeah, and then he customized it. That was the first mask, which I think was... Somebody sat on and broke it at some point. Operation Doomsday came out.

And that's the start of MF Doom. So then Doom reinvented his whole persona and just lyrically, he was always way above the grade. And then he just took it to another level. And then 20th anniversary. That persona of having the mask came from him losing his brother? Part of it.

Again, my perspective. It's just my perspective, right? A lot of people, let me just ask you. A lot of people thought that when they went to an mf doom concert they didn't know if mf if that was him or not well because because it was somebody else at different times i even had a couple of guys from gyp i think they went to sony i mean that's sony theater and doom walked by him with the mask and didn't even acknowledge him and i said to well, that may not have been actual Doom. It could have been the cover.

Now, the other full circle story is Rich called me like, what, 2012 or 10 or 11? With the mask, I had started battling again under a persona called Lord Raven. And I remember when I went to Atlanta and I did this party, I was with Doom, and I told him about the Madison stuff. And after that, he started doing it. And so he asked Rich to DJ for him on tour, on, I think, a world tour, right? Yeah, something like that.

And then I think he had a problem with, you know, passports, stuff like that. Because Doom, even when he traveled with us, he was born in England. So he still had the English passport. You guys used to get detained all the time when we would go with you. So Doom is British?

Doom was born in Britain. Let me find out, bro. I'm learning some shit. You're learning some shit. So rest in peace to him but how dope is it to see Tyler the Creator pay homage to him everybody I mean there's so many people

this is this is you know Portis he's revered but recently the week that he died there were 15 No, no, no. He's revered. It's crazy. But recently, like in recent times. He died.

There were 15 full train burners that went in countries that would never even allow graffiti to leave the fucking tunnel that rocked for weeks.

France, Shanghai, Tokyo, places that they buff before the shit That rocked for weeks. France. Shanghai. Tokyo. Places that they buff. Before the shit even leaves the tunnel. People that get caned. Killed. Put in jail. Them shits rocked for weeks.

That's the impact the man had. Yeah. Rest in peace, bro. Yeah, rest in peace, God damn. Mr. Amanda. Well, going through you guys' discography, there's a song called Brooklyn Queens, right?

Now, I can't tell was that something that was dedicated to Brooklyn Queens Day you remember that we had it in Flushing Meadow Park

and it was called Brooklyn Queens Day but it was a bunch of Queens dudes I don't think Brooklyn never came out but it was called bunch of Queens dudes. I don't think Brooklyn never came out, but it was called Brooklyn Queens Day in Queens. Was that record a homage to that? So when me and Search first signed to Rush,

Search was in the studio working with Sam Sever. I was working by myself, and Rich was in Farmingdale. I was trying to get Rich to come in. Dante called up Sam Sever. I wasn't a producer. I needed some help on the beat.

Sam Sever came in to help me. So Brooklyn Queens was one of the songs that me and Rich had done first. Okay, wow. We did the first demo with Funky Slice. Didn't sound anything like Brooklyn Queens. Exactly. But then as, you know, product the environment was on Serge's original demo. So we kind of like brought each of our catalogs of songs together.

And then we flipped Brooklyn Queens as, you know. Oh, so that was your homage. Yeah. That's what it always kind of felt like. That was one of the biggest things. You know, that was the first time I ever seen Akineli and Nas perform together. It was a thing called Brooklyn Queens Day. And I went and I seen them.

And I was like, I had seen them in the neighborhood so many different times. And I was like, oh, these guys rap? And I was like, oh, shit. That's who the fuck these people are? Right. It was kind of more influenced even by Latoya, by Just Ice. Yeah, I think from them. The females in Brooklyn Queens.

It was like one of those female. Yeah, like we were kind of doing. Man harvest of females. Yeah, I think from the females in Brooklyn Queens, it was one of those female. Yeah, that's exactly right. It was all about meeting a girl from Brooklyn. When you're from Queens, especially from Far Rockaway, that's kind of like a status symbol. If you scoop a girl from downtown Brooklyn,

you're doing something. You're really doing something. Yeah, yeah. We didn't really have it like you where you had daddies and left frack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, you know. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? Like we, you know, we had to really troop out and find like, you know. And just the whole name of the song, like I lived in Long Island, I lived in Queens, went to school in Brooklyn.

So it was just that whole context of Brooklyn, Queens. And I mean, it could have been very easily. Because Brooklyn Queens were very compared to Harlem and the Bronx. But at the time, Brooklyn and Queens took over hip hop with Houdini and Run DMC. So you had that shift.

I love that. That was like the biggest shift in hip hop. So there was no Harlem and Bronx back then? Well, there was. Oh, there was. But that was a shift with them and with Rush. I mean, because that's what Russell did. Russell started in Harlem with Hollywood.

Like Russell started promoting Hollywood. DJ Hollywood. DJ Hollywood in 1977. It was like the first crossover hip hop DJ. Exactly. Exactly. And you know, a lot of people say Hollywood isn't hip-hop. Hollywood was the biggest rap star.

Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang. I don't want to go sleep all night with my honey bun. Give me some of that yummy, yum, yum before I go to work. Look at that motherfucker. Look at that young again. Look at that young again. Look at that young again. Look at that young again. This motherfucker's looking on his phone like that Georgiana.

Like, he's like, oh, Georgiana must be smashing right now. And he was getting $500 a show for maybe like a half hour at every club, doing like five clubs a night, $2,500 a night. We got the contracts to prove it. Yo. Crazy. That's legendary. I want to take a shot just for course again

let's go and take a picture I think I think shots are necessary shots and pictures I like it yo I'm be honest

hold on it's so great man I really enjoy giving y'all brothers y'all flowers we appreciate it I enjoy this man holding it up

y'all continue to do this shit. And you know what? You know, in sports and shit like that, you know, you blow your Achilles heel, blow your fucking knee out or elbow or get a concussion.

We kind of don't get that in hip-hop. We get it mentally. If we can overgrow that and we can do this shit for the rest of our life do this shit for the rest of our life you know what I mean continue to be great because the one thing that I noticed

with me being in my own shit is when I wasn't doing certain things it's people that really have that responsibility to want to be a part of us. So there's a whole bunch of lost third base fans that are so happy right now.

It's like, oh, right back to God, and they got the same DJ. Like, I'm one of them. I'm one of them. You're supposed, everybody's supposed to say, I'm one of them after that. Like, come on. You know what I'm saying?

Y'all motherfuckers are too young. You got fucking 12-year-olds in here. You suppose everybody's will say I'm wondering about today I want to. I want to. I want to. I know Sonny is one of them. I know Sonny is one of them. Mr. Kelly 3, we all say one of them. We all say it together. One, two, three. I want to. Thank you very much. Take a picture.

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