Drink Champs - Episode 445 w/ Ron Browz & DJ Webstar

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Ron Browz & DJ Webstar! Ron & Webstar bring their signature energy and legendary stories. The guys take a deep dive into their biggest hits, industry experiences, and behind-the-scenes moments. This episode promises exclusive insights, nostalgia, and plenty of laughs—don't miss it! Make some noise for Ron Browz & DJ Webstar! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: 🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey segre this your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer what up it's dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk it's time for drink champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good, B-Hobbies? With you, it's your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A. What up, it's DJ E-F-N. You like how I flipped into Spanish real quick?

A little bit. Let me take a quick before we podcast. Make some noise! We got arguably one of the best producers of all times These guys have both of them

Have controlled summers Have controlled my summer Summers Period These guys got a hot hand They're here together Making I think they're making an album

We're not sure They're making an album I can see from the side It's about goddamn time because New York City's been waiting for it. The motherfucking magnificent dynamic duo right now. Motherfucking Rob Rouse and DJ Rasmus!

Now, I got to go off top. We got to give y'all a bottle of champagne. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, let's get them the cold ones. You want to start with champagne? Even though I feel like you're A tequila guy

Bahamas Bahamas But you pop a Champagne I'm doing what you're doing Okay alright Cool cool cool You sure I feel like you're

A vodka guy I'm doing what you're doing Alright cool Whatever you're doing I'm popping Champagne With Mr. Pop Champagne Here we go As you should

So let me ask you Because that record right there That's one of my favorite Records of all time It's one of the records That I hear. You know, there's always a record that you hear and be like, man, I wish I made that shit. Right.

That's one of those records for me, because I really pop champagne. You just had the homie on the phone, and that's what our section of Queens is about. It's about popping champagne. Bring all three. Yeah, we're giving them all their own bottles. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't waste my shit.

Don't waste my shit. So let's describe that real quick, Browse. That record was yours at first? Yeah. Okay, so how this happen? You know, trying to learn auto-tune. Okay. I was in a crib creating this beat,

and I didn't really know how to work the auto-tune like that. So that's why on Pop Champagne, you hear the clear out of the drums, because I didn't really know how to. Oh, I didn't peek that. I didn't know how to work the auto-tune. How early? What year is this? Because it's off-tune.

It's just 08. It was just really getting big at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of actually heard 50 Cent, I'm a rider. That's where I got the idea. I'm like, yo, I'm going to do a party record like that. Okay. And people were picking the darker beats.

Were you talking about the auto-tune part or were you talking about the pop campaign part? I'm telling you the auto-tune part because that's what created it. Okay, okay, okay. That's how pop champagne. And people were picking dark beats from me. So I'm like, I got to do a... Cosa Eta? Yeah.

All right, cool. We'll get back to that. I'm going too fast'm like, I got to do a... Costa Ita? Yeah. All right, cool. We'll get back to that. I'm going too fast. Yeah, I wanted to do a party beat because they was picking dark beats for me. I'm like, yo, I need a single. You know what I mean? I was getting the album cuts. Right.

So I created that record. A couple of my dudes was like, yo, that's fire. Right. Brung it up to DJ Enough. And he was like, yo, this joint is crazy. Wait a minute. So you brung it to Enough and Enough played that on the radio? Yeah, I was.

Your version? Yeah, it was just by myself. Okay, continue. And, yeah, it was just by myself because I was bringing them records, and he was like, nah, that ain't it. Wow. That ain't it. Wow.

Then when I brung that joint, was like Yo that's it And then I seen Jim outside Outside 97? No no Just like Outside New York You know when the clubs Was like

He was like Y'all heard that joint I was like You wanna get on a remix? He was like Yeah And that's how We went to the studio

And got it done Right yeah Just give everybody Their own bottle Yeah yeah Give everybody Their own bottle. Yeah, you give everybody their own bottle. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. Yes, yes, yes. Salud, salute, salute. Salud. We don't know if you know, but our show is about giving people their flowers. We're going to give y'all

your motherfucking flowers while y'all can smell them. Y'all do it so while y'all can ding them and you drink for it, you can drink them. So let's start it off early, man. Let's give these motherfuckers they flowers, goddammit.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, this is fire. Yes, yes. Thank you. All right. Oh, this is good. Fine.

Now, Webstar, you are an island DJ hopper. Yes. You be everywhere. Yeah. I ran into you a few times. Yes, yes. I can't go to the, like, the rich islands you go to. Okay, no. Because you're there be everywhere. Yeah. I ran into you a few times. Yes. I can't go to the like the rich alleys you go to. Okay.

Because you're there every week. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. That's Photoshop, man. That's Photoshop. But how did you, were you a DJ prior? I mean, I know it's DJ Webstar, but you know, a lot of people have that DJ name and really wasn't DJ.

You know what I'm saying? Like Dr. Dre is not really a doctor. You know what I mean? I don't know if you know that. So he was a DJ before you was a... Yeah, so... The bottles that's in there? Okay, alright, cool. I should then put those bottles here. I want them to have their bottles next to them.

You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Yeah, so I come from a block called Squillahill in Harlem and DJ S&S was like, living in the next building. and have their bottles next to them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Yeah, so I come from a block called Squillahill. Squillahill. In Harlem. Okay. DJ SNS was like, lived in the next building.

Yeah. So I grew up watching him do the parties and he used to do giveaways. He used to give away 5411s. Reeboks. Reeboks, 5411s. He used to do teen parties. So when I became of age, I started doing the same kind of thing.

I used to give away like Prada's and different things like Nike boots and all that. And I started DJing my own party. I knew it was coming. I still jumped. I started DJing in about my 12th grade in high school. About 2000, 2001.

Then from there, I just started breaking my own records at my party. I just started freeing records. Smart. Since I had the crowd coming to see me, I broke Chicken Noodle Soup at one of my team parties. And the rest is like history from there. I just started getting into music from there

because I wasn't really even doing music. You know what's funny? I thought about you the other day, and it's crazy. You hit me, but I was going to hit you. This is a crew called Rue Crew. We run uptown right and how they stretch is the chicken noodle soup they do the dance

but they stretch it it's like the most amazing shit ever where's Lose at? Lose you there? yeah yeah yeah we want y'all to have your bottles you know what I'm saying we got class over here You know what I'm saying We got class over here You know what I'm saying

We got some class We don't share bottles When your drink get low She'll come over here That's Jamie man she run the show Thank you Jamie So go ahead I started at the top of the year

I was going 100 days With no alcohol with no alcohol, top of the year. Oh, you was doing dry January? Yeah. That's what he said. Who said? Somebody said that. Oh, dry January. Yeah, I was doing that.

And then, you know, we were talking about doing this for a minute. And then, as soon as I go on my 100-day detox, nobody called me like, you want to do it this week? Yeah, so it's over. Yeah, yeah. So, now, let's be clear. You produce chicken noodle it this week? So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

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so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, I had like Tiana Taylor I had Bianca I had you know T-Rex my wrong brow told me producers so I just I got all my friends together

what's the girl from Queens girl from Queens oh Brie Beauty Brie Beauty she came she came a little bit after I started Chicanusa

because you know me Bianca had that little fallout so I had to find another female artist right so shout out to Brie Beauty shout out to Bianca

shout out to Tiana we all good we all family now and all that. But yeah, so I pretty much put a compilation album together for my first album. Just highlighting all the people in Harlem who I thought had talent, who I was friends with. And then, you know, that's what it is. So I produced all the records and got browsed out and produced some of them.

And yeah, that's pretty much it. So let me ask the million dollar question. Is female artists harder to work with? Absolutely. Oh, shit. You ain't even need a drink. You ain't need a drink. He just, one minute.

No, but you got to think about it. How many record labels you know got more than one female artist on it? Or how many female artists you ever seen break another female artist? It just don't happen. Think about it. Yeah, that's a good point. The first point Is because

A lot of them Can't afford hair and makeup Yeah The second You know To my record label You know what I mean Yeah but that's a part

Of the process though Yeah But the second one How many female artists Put on another female artist I'm trying to think It don't happen I seen Foxy Cosan

Some girl the other day But not put on He was under Under the comments Think about it Look at all the Famous rich female artists we have, and none of them ever say, I'm going to put on another female artist on my label.

Like directly under that. Yeah, like, here, this is my artist. Right. Yeah, I haven't really... And if you think about it, like, business-wise, that'd be a small business move because you're already inheriting your fan base. So if you put somebody younger...

But females don't like to work with other females. But respectfully to women, right? Respectfully. There's some certain male artists that you work with and be like, I don't want to work with artists, period. So is it really just a ladies thing or is it more of a diva Don thing? Don diva thing.

How about that? I'm going to be honest with you. I think it's a ladies thing because we've never seen it. We've never seen it. Even if you don't like... We? We've never seen it. Like, even if you don't like, you know, we see males putting on other males. We've seen males putting on females. But didn't Beyonce put on Halle Berry? And Khloe? And Khloe, Khloe, Khloe.

Yeah, didn't Beyonce? We got one. I don't know. She co-signed them all. I mean, you could go back Queen Latifah, help Moni Love, put Moni Love on. Yeah, okay. I mean, but look how far you got to go back. The game is ran. The game is ran by Seedell. Look how far back you go back to Kee La Tee. I mean, you got to give credit where you're going to do that.

Yeah, you're right, too. Shout out to Moni Love, too. That's like my mom. Right, right. Yeah, because you came to the event, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah. It just don't happen that way.

You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I just feel like, you know, when a female gets the light, she wants the light for herself most of the time. But I would love to see some female artists get together and bring out some younger female artists and like bridge the gap between the young and old.

That's why it's always a gap between either it's too ratchet or it's too old. There's never no medium for the female artists. Like Glowrilla with MC Lyte? The way you put that together didn't make sense, though.

Yeah, it's not that she makes sense. It's just the culture. Like something like that. So, Browse, what do you prefer? Being an artist, being in front of the camera, or being behind the camera? Well, in front of the camera got me to be able to tour and see the world. And I just like the creative process of making an artist sound hot. So I like that part.

But being an artist, man, you get to travel. You get all the perks. Right. So you're talking about being an artist. Yeah. So if you had a chance to pick one, you would pick the artist? Yeah. Okay, wow.

You get to see more. I don't know about it, man. Huh? This nigga did some of the most legendary get to see more. I don't know about it, man. Huh? This nigga did the most, some of the most legendary beats of all time. I did. This nigga did Ebonics

for Big Al, bro. It's like, you can't, if you take it, I'm not even gonna talk about that. I'm not even gonna talk about that. Yeah, bro, I'm doing that

from the crib, though. Right. Like, I get, as an artist, I got to go to Japan, go to Africa. I went to, I seen a lot of places, so. Yeah.

As a producer, you get to just stay in the crib and create. Where the place you got the most pussy at? New York. Nah. Kill that. Okay, kill that. Okay. But, you know, I love overseas, though.

Yeah, overseas. Overseas where? Japan? Like a long time Like France France? Okay France

You know Cans and all that Okay yeah Oh that part of France Not Paris Yeah yeah Paris they don't wear Deodorant

I don't mind I don't mind They my niggas You know what I'm saying You said I don't mind Yeah I don't mind Like shit At some point

I think I'm going to Stop wearing deodorant When I go I'm like I'm going to be A part of the culture, man. Okay, learn it up. It's the culture.

I eat foie gras. I eat almost none of this shit. Escargot. Snails. Escargot, yes. I see that. Escargot. Yes, I do.

So what's your favorite place to perform at? Bahamas. Bahamas. Oh, okay. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, I love the Bahamas. I got a residency out there, so I'm out there like- Talk to that shit. Probably like eight times a year.

Okay. As a matter of fact, when I ran into you out there, it was like the anniversary of Drink Champs. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's right. The anniversary, we had a good time. You actually extended your stay so you could come to the party and hang out with me. That's right.

That's right. I appreciate it, though. I miss your family. That's right. Hell yeah. Salud. Salud. Salud.

Salud. Yeah, the Bahamas is- Shout out to Jason Spence, man. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Yeah, the Bahamas is, what's up? Shout out to Jesus, man. Who's the artist you got to work with and you were kind of like disappointed or they didn't meet the standards? Nah, I feel like every artist I work with. Right. He tried to keep that back.

He's not here. I mean, it's documented. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, from Nas To 50 To Nicky To everybody All them joints Was his Okay so

I was going to wait for it But fuck it I was going Alright You get this call From Nas Now is this your first Big call

Or You had You had already did Ebonics right So what was your Biggest record Besides that Before that Ebonics Ebonics okay Yeah? So what was your biggest record besides that before that? Ebonics.

Ebonics, okay. Yeah, yeah. This is a dope record. So you get this call from Nas. Yeah. What does he say to you? Yo, I want you to come hear what I did to the record. Okay, okay.

Wait a minute. How did you get the record to him? By the way, I love his Nas impression. Did you read that? Did you read that? I read that. I read that. Okay.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. You got to get the record to him first. I want to hear on You gotta get the record To him first How does the record Get to him At that time In New York City You had to be a known producer

Swiss was running it Timberland Pharrell Shout out to Grease They were getting busy So When I was making my rounds You had to kind of

Give it to somebody's Manager And also We kind of Me and my manager At the time For us Snuck it to somebody's manager. A&R. So we kind of, me and my manager at the time, for us, snuck it to his travel agent. Oh, wow. The travel agent, you know, delivered the CD. There's about 30 joints on there.

That's an unorthodox one. He went through the whole 30 joints. Because where was that joint placed on a CD? Like 17. He had to go through the whole joint. He had to go through the whole joint. How you even know that? You're a legend, man. I remember that, too. That was 17. I still got the CD. Like 17. He had to go to the whole joint. He had to go to the whole joint. You're good at that.

You're legendary. I'm a legendary. That was 17. I still got the CD. So he calls you or someone else calls you? I think his label or his A&R told me, like, yo, Nas is in the studio. Come to the studio. Okay.

Yeah, so I get there and Nas is eating fruit. It's just him and the engineer. So I'm thinking, I'm just thinking he gonna play me a regular street record. He like, yo, play the record for him. And I hear the FJZ at the beginning. I'm like, what is happening right now?

What's happening? I've never really heard your side. Yeah, I'm like... Because you already know All right, all right, all right. What's happening? I've never really heard your side, so. Yeah, yeah, I'm like. All right, so. Because you already know who you're not working with after this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. You're right.

You're right. You're right. Had you worked with Rockefeller prior to that? You know what's crazy? Uh-huh. Before that, my man kind of knew. Shout out to my man, Doug. Uh-huh.

He knew hip hop. Okay, hip hop. And I went to Baseline To play State property beats Right And Beanie was Dubbing my shit What does dubbing mean?

I'm out of the loop Next one Oh Next one Oh okay I got a 30 clip On this beat Right

He like next one Next one I'm like Wow I'm going to bounce back But here's the craziest question I need to ask. Out of that 30 clip, was

Ether in one of them? Possibly. I don't think so. That would be it if you played them Ether. Wait, wait, wait. But Hip Hop came to my crib and I gave them Ether. I gave them the beat CD with Ether on there.

And I was like, give it to Jay. Right. Because he was getting beats for Jay, but he never gave it to him. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I want it. So it was a chance Jay-Z could have got it. Thank you.

Yeah. So it was a chance Jay-Z could have got the CD. Wait, so hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm sorry. I was distracted. Wait, what you said? Hip-hop came to my crib, and I gave him beats for Jay-Z, and one of the beats was Ethan. So Jay-Z had to eat the beat.

He could've had it, yeah. He physically had it. No, hip-hop had it. Hip-hop had it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So hip-hop could've gave Jay-Z. That's close enough. You know how crazy life is?

Holy shit. Imagine that. Holy shit. that Holy shit I don't know what he did With the CD man When he left the building Okay so Alright listen

So now what studio are we at? I feel like it's Sony studio Right track Right track Okay 48th street Yeah yeah 48th street Okay I'm a gold door

Yeah So I did Super Thug Okay so you walk in He says You hear the intro He says Chillin' You hear the intro

He says fuck Jay-Z You say to yourself What's happening yourself What's happening What's happening I don't know if this is good or bad Right right right And um And you a fan of Jay-Z as well

Yeah yeah yeah Of course They did smoking shit at the time So I'm like yo What's happening Like I ain't getting no He's gonna be What

This and Jay-Z on this Yo you okay with that With none of the calls like that Right right So I He play it. He's like, what do you think?

Mm-hmm. Bro. But, you know, I'm trying to get to the back. So I'm like, I got to roll with the punches. Right. Is it true

there was a different version and it was the worst version? I never heard that version. Okay, you never heard it. But you heard it? Yeah, I heard it. Okay, I heard about it too. I heard about it too.

Yeah, I didn't hear that version. I just heard the version everybody else heard. Okay, all right, cool. I, too. I heard about it, too. Yeah, I didn't hear that version. I just heard the version everybody else heard. Okay, all right, cool. I'm sorry. I'm supposed to build up to this, but I just got to go straight in. So, Battle of the Beats happened. Yeah.

They're playing the Jay version, then they're playing the Nas version. Nas is refutably winning. Yeah. How does that feel for you? Man, I'm getting so many phone calls. Because people know you did it. No. Okay.

Like internal, like... Like your circle, maybe. Nobody don't really know. Right. I was new. Right. Nobody don't really know, but, you know, my friends, yo, it's crazy.

The friends that do that. Yeah, like, yo, this is crazy. And, you know, that day they stopped the radio just to play those two records. That was insane. Yeah, it's crazy. You know, it's just crazy. And, you know, that day they stopped the radio just to play those two records. That was insane. You know how they say, pull over New York City? I actually think I was pulled over. Shout out to K-Slave.

Making sure the vote went even. They felt like, God bless Angie, I just, God bless you too. Did you see how I did that? That was a double entendre. You know what I'm saying? Still got balls. You know what I'm saying?

But, bless Angie and bless everybody. But a lot of them was like more on Jay-Z's side. But they were calculating the votes. So, K Slay actually went up there

to make sure of his email. Wow. Which was crazy. That's a piece K Slay. That's crazy. Why did you put two and two together? You and K Slay have a relationship? Prior to that?

Nah. Okay. So, he just did that on the stretch. You want a lot. Yeah, yeah. All right, so you hear this. Definitively, Nas is winning.

Yeah. From afar, I'm just looking back. I'm from Queens. Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? I got a relationship with Jay, but Nas is the person

I grew up with, this person I looked up to. You know what I'm saying? Okay. He's definitively winning. Now, is the person I grew up with. This is the person I looked up to. You know what I'm saying? Okay. He's definitively winning. Now, is the record labels... How does this process work? Because you just made a tycoon, helped a tycoon defeat another tycoon.

Now, is this work coming for you out of abundance or is it coming slow? Pause. It's slow because nobody don't know who did it. Nobody don't know who did it. It wasn't that I didn't have no tag. Right, right. There was a tag back then, right? There was a tag, yeah.

So my manager was like, we got to go outside. Nobody don't know you did the record. Okay. So then I started going outside and clubbing. And he's like, yo, oh, yo, let me get one. Yo, let me get a, yo, let me. And then, yo, let me get that. Something like, let me get something that sound like that me get a, yo, let me, and then, yo, let me get that, something like,

let me get something that sound like that. And then I thought that trickled down like that. But then, that's what I'm saying. I was only getting street records because they wanted a

dark beat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So at that time, people were coming up to you saying, can I get a, an Ether-like record? Yeah, can I get an Ether beat type, you know.

It's just, I guess they mean a beat with aggression, you know. Right. And were you getting tired of trying to eat the beat type, you know. I guess they mean a beat with aggression, you know. Right. And were you getting tired of trying to make those? Yeah, because I was just getting album cuts. You know, I did a Whip Your Head Boy for 50 Cent. Yeah.

So that kind of had like that aggressiveness too. But, you know, that was on the soundtrack, but it wasn't like a radio record. How was that part of the track? It was great. So I'm like, yo, I got to make

a commercial beat, and that's how Pop Champagne came. Okay. You know, Norby, let me ask y'all

both a question real quick, and I want y'all to answer this because I'm not qualified to answer this at all. I am not.

What's happening in Harlem right now? I think it's brothers that's having, you know what I mean, some internal problems. And I think it's no OG to be like, yo, y'all should handle that off. Yeah. Like Cameron Mason was telling Jay Prairie, he's like, we ain't got no OGs. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to remember, like, the levels of hip hop from Harlem.

Like, the OGs from Dipset would be like a Dougie Fresh from Harlem. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know if they even had a connection or if Dougie was in the streets with them. But it's like, that's how Harlem niggas do. Like, we snap on each other. The worst time you bum ass nigga did it. So it's just translating on to when niggas get serious., we snap on each other the worst time you bum-ass nigga did it. So it's just translating on to when niggas get serious.

Like, you're like, remember the time you got jumped on? Remember the time you ran? They're just teasing each other, but at the end of the day, them niggas always get back together.

Every time they have something, they get back together. Even Cam and Mace. So that's just the dynamics of how Harlem people do. Like, it's just, it's a weird thing. Like, we humiliate each other

and then come and get each other all at the end of the day. That's right. Yeah. Jesus. It's a weird thing. We humiliate each other, and then come and get each other off at the end of the day. Yeah. Jesus. I don't know if we clap for that or not. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I'll tell you this. DJ Enough.

Who just said DJ Enough? Holy shit. Hello? Damn. Nigga, I got you locked in Hello I'm live on the podcast We just said your name I was gonna put you

I was gonna put you on the On the speakerphone But I don't like setting people up like that What Alright You sure you wanna say it Alright hit me back Alright

Alright alright Cool cool cool I think that enough You know what I'm saying DJ enough It makes it annoying with DJ Yeah But All right, all right, cool, cool, cool. My nigga enough. You know what I'm saying? DJ enough. It makes a noise with DJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But that's the idea, man. I'll tell you this. That's what I would do, say. I know them both. I know all parties. I love all parties, and I hope they work it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At that point. Yeah, I mean, especially for hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Them niggas, they did just groundbreaking shit especially for hip-hop, you know what I'm saying? Like, them niggas, they did, like, just groundbreaking shit just to, you know, just to move the culture, you know what I'm saying? Like, the movie they had,

like, the whole Deadset movement was like, I've never seen a movement like that before, you know what I'm saying? They, like, you know, maybe Wu-Tang and Deadset, like, their influence

was just, like, out of this world. So I hope they can get this together too. And let me ask you, did you actually give jim jones that record that it wound up actually it be because no um oh that's that's we did we did some business okay okay i mean um the money was right right and uh we did some business right

right so shout out to jim you know i mean he understood with the with the record needed as far as the visual and um he just understood where I was at with it and we did some business. I think the streets got it kind of messed up, but we got some money. What you mean? Like you said, he was like, is your record, is his record, is me and his record. So we just kind of

once the record took off, we just kind of did some business. You know what I mean? Ain't nothing wrong with doing no business. Now, it was a rumor that you and Jim were supposed to do a whole joint album together. Nah. Nah? I heard that wrong?

Yeah, you heard that wrong. I mean, we spoke about that in recent time. Not back then? When you were doing Popping Champagne? Nah, nah, nah. Jesus, okay. So he tells a story about about the uh pop champagne and it's kind of like it kind of intertwines my story because he he

don't tell the story quite how i remember it browse right okay because i remember me and browse was working on an album we just worked on an album called two for the money right okay and i think for like a week i didn't go to the studio. So Browse called me like, yo, Webb, I want you to hear this joint. Going downtown, we in front of the club, like Temple on 50th Street. He played me Pop Champagne. Maju, me and him working

on the album. I'm like, oh shit, I can't wait to do my verse to this. He go, you ain't getting a verse. So boom, he do the record, we worked the record. Like he said, enough broke it, boom, boom So boom. He do the record. We worked the record. Like he said, enough broke it.

Boom, boom, boom. We went around to like every record label to try to get the record put like and everybody passed on it. I mean, we was going with what the nigga said.

He said, I ain't feeling it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So boom. This is before Auto-Tune was popping or this is right now while Auto-Tune is getting started?

It's getting started. It's getting started. So me, I was a little mad because I wasn't on the record, but I was happy he had the record. So my thing was I'm going to go around with Browns. I'm going to help him break the record. Once he got on, I was able to double back and do Dancing On Me. And I used the same formula.

The autotune, put Jim and Jewels on the record, and I was able to go and get a deal from there. But the crazy thing about that is the same thing happened with the record. I was on the record by myself. DJ and Nuff is playing on the radio. I think the nigga had to go to the bathroom or something because the nigga played this shit like three times in a row. He just played it. I get a call from Yandy.

Yandy like, Webb, Jim and Jewelz want to get on the record. So, mind you, I'm watching what they just did with Pop Champagne. Wait, but, so your record is already out?

Dancing With Me came right after Pop Champagne. By yourself? Yeah, by myself. So, now, I'm on the way to the studio to meet Jim and Jewelz. Now, mind you,

I'm from Harlem, but I'm younger, so I didn't really know them like that. Like, I knew who they was, they knew who I was, but we wasn't friends. On the way to the studio to meet Jim and Juelz. Now, mind you, I'm from Harlem, but I'm younger, so I didn't really know them like that. I knew who they was. They knew who I was, but we wasn't friends. On the way to the studio, this story's mad funny. On the way to the studio, I get a call from Akon. I don't know Akon, but Red Cafe was signed to him.

So Red Cafe heard this shit on the radio, too. He's like, yo, Akon want to talk to you. Akon get on the phone and say, yo, Webb, I want to make you the next T-Pain. I want to put the record on my album. So now I'm like, oh, shit, Akon called me. I get on the phone and say, yo, Webb, I want to make you the next T-Pain. I want to put the record on my album. So now I'm like, oh, shit, A-Kart called me. I get to the studio to talk to Jimeno about the record. So, you know, me, I don't know nothing about the business. I'm thinking I'm going down there.

I'm going to name drop, get some leverage on whatever they want to do. So I'm like, I get to the studio. Jim is there. This is the first time I've ever met Dean Dash, by the way. Did he rank on you? Yes. Jim is there. This is the first time I ever met Dame Dash, by the way. Did he rank on you? Yes. Okay. This is crazy.

So, I get to the studio. I see Dame. So much. I'm a Harlem nigga. I grew up, like, idolizing, like, all the legends,

Dame and all that. So, I'm happy to be there. He's talking to me about the record. I'm like, yeah, man, Akon just called me. I've been thinking about doing this shit with him

because they was trying to get me to do the record with them and, you know, put it out through Kosh and then going to do another deal with Steve Rifkin. So, as soon as I say A-Call

wanted to get on the record with me, Damedaw started screaming, oh, this nigga want to go to jail. This nigga want to be a convict. He want to be a convict, jeez. Nigga started snapping on me right there in the studio. Right?

Me and him going back and forth. He just heating me up. He kept telling me I want to go to jail. I want to be a convict because I want to put A-Call on the record. He was just being funny, though. Right there in the studio. Right? Me and him going back and forth. He just heating me up. He kept telling me I want to go to jail. I want to be a convict because I want to play Akon on the record. He was just being funny, though. That's my whole shit. Long story short, I ended up not doing the Akon version.

It was Akon, Red Cafe, and Fab. They did their own version. I ended up doing a version with Jim Jowell. Dancing on me. Dancing on me. Okay. And I ended up doing a version with Jim and Jowell on the record. Who you said did a version of it? Akon, Red Cafe, and Fab. Okay. Yeah. It never came out, okay. And I ended up doing a version with Jimmy Jewels on the record. Wait, who you said did another version of it?

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I got a top five record We running around Going crazy Jay-Z come with Def a autotune Yeah So now I'm like What's that

This ain't my beat bro Wait wait wait Wait a minute Hold on But he said Too much T-painting. No. So you're missing it.

I'm missing it. Show me where your brother's at. So boom. I don't think you've seen this, Nori. So it was a time, it was about 2008 and I, we made the Otterton Records, right? And what people don't know about our deals is. I'm sorry, say that again. It's 2001.

So he made Pop Champagne at the end of 2008. I made Dancing With Me 2009, the beginning. Right? So around that time, that's fresh off of the Jim Jones Jay-Z beef. Remember he had their ball in? Remember he did some of the ball in? Jim redid this shit to ball in. So now Jay-Z and

then you got Dane Dash fresh off the Leaving the Rockin' for the thing. That's with Jim. So Dane Dash helped facilitate my deal the Rockin' for the thing that's with Jim. So, Dane Dash helped facilitate my deal. I don't know if he helped facilitate your deal too,

but I know he was in a lot of the meetings with you and Stevie, right? So, Dane was like behind the scenes with a lot of the things that me and Browse was doing

just for the particular record. So, it wasn't a coincidence that he made the Death of Odal tour around that time. Now, everybody was talking about T-Pain.

But when we did Summer Jam that year, I don't know if you remember this. Whenever Dip said they're Summer Jam, they used to always have to go last because they came with 3,000 niggas. So they'd be like, let's put these niggas last. Let them do what they said. So we about to come out. So about three weeks before Summer Jam, Frontmaster Flex and God bless his dad, Mr. C, they on the radio going crazy. I'm in Virginia.

I never forget. My man called me on the phone. He said, Frontmaster Flex is like, Webstar, Ron Browse, you're finished out here. Auto-Tune is dead. Flex going crazy, right?

And Mr. C coming in with the finish of his Auto-Tune. They playing this shit for an hour straight. La, coming, yeah, with the finish of this daughter. They playing this shit for an hour straight. La, la, la, la. Hey, hey, good. Over and over again, right? I'm getting humiliated. Bitches just calling me, oh, they killing you out here. All right?

Nori, so now, I'm in Virginia, right? I'll never forget this. I made a tweet I said yo Y'all hear old ass Jay Z hatin A 40 year old Billionaire

Can't relate to I'm just drunk I'm tweeting some dumb shit I ain't know how powerful Twitter was man Drink some more Ace Yeah Drink some more Ace man

I need a shot man Give me a shot Give me a shot See I do I do What you want vodka Whatever you doing Just give me a shot You act for the shot You vodka. I do. What you want, vodka? Whatever you're doing, just give me a shot of vodka. Yeah, you act for the shot.

You want a shot of vodka? Yeah, yeah. Okay, you give him vodka? You want a shot of vodka? Yeah, yeah. We're going. Two shots of vodka, chill. You know what I do.

I'm a driver. Let's go. So, boom. Uh-huh. So, now, I made these tweets, right? All right. So, what did you say in your tweets exactly? I could pull this shit up, but I said a 40-year-old rapper can never relate to an 18-year-old kid in the hood.

But I said, do you see old-ass Jay-Z hating, right? So it was crazy because every interview Jay-Z was going to on the radio, they was asking him, like, you can't be taking this young kid web star serious. And Jay-Z was like, nah, he a young kid. He don't know no better. If he knew better, he'd do better. I was so happy the nigga knew who I was. I was like, you can't be taking this young kid Webstar series. And Jay-Z was like, nah, he a young kid. He don't know no better. If he knew better, he'd do better. I was so happy

the nigga knew who I was. I was like, all right, cool. So now, I get a phone call from Diddy. Now,

around this time, I'm running around with him like 2008 and I don't know why. So, Puff called me and I'm running around with Puff like every day

at this point. So I guess, you know, he like, he telling me like, I'm like a representation of him. He co-signing. I'm like, you run around with me, you know how Puff called me, and I'm running around with Puff like every day at this point, so I guess, you know, he like, he telling me like I'm like a representation of him. He co-signing, I'm like, you run around with me, you know how Puff talk. And then he cursed me the fuck out. Like, he said, you want to jump in the swimming pool, or you want to play with the sharks? That's what you told him.

So what he meant was, what he meant by that was, pause. What he meant by that was like, nigga, don't be playing with the Sharks. Don't say nothing about Jay, especially when you're running around with me, you know what I'm saying? So, everybody was hitting me. Bow Wow made a tweet. I was on tour with Bow Wow at the time. He made a tweet like, yo,

bro, I wish you would have hollered at me before you... No, seriously. Now I want to say, yo, I wish you would have how he tweeted me. He got my number. Not the DM.

I was on a Price of Fame show with him. He's like, yo, yo, he said, yo, um... He said he was on a private plane tour? No, I was on a Price of Fame tour.

Price of Fame. Ha, ha, ha. Private plane tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, boom. So, um, Badwalt goes and goes, he goes, yo, um, I wish you would have hollered at me before you said send the J, da. So, boom. So, Bow Wow goes and goes, he goes, yo, I wish you would have hollered at me before you said send to Jay.

And I just wrote him back. I'm like, man, I ain't never hear Bow Wow Jay Z record, right? And the nigga blocked me. I was going to the tour and shit. Anyway. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out. You can't just say that like that.

He blocked you? Yeah, he blocked me on Twitter. Okay. So, boom. Oh, okay. And then kicked you off the tour for real, for real? Or, like, that's a distraction? It was like spot dates. Okay. I just didn't get caught for no more dates. For no more dates. Okay. So boom. Oh, okay. And then kicked you off the tour for real, for real? Or like, that's a stretch? It was like spot dates.

Okay. I just didn't get caught for no more dates. For no more dates, okay. So everybody kind of like, yeah, you have to go like, like Jay-Z's energy is different. So back to Summer Jam.

Uh-huh. I'm hype. I'm like, we got the hottest records in the city. Soulja Boy got an auto-tune record called Hop Up On My Bands On My Swag On.

Uh-huh. So we was going to close this. Now, if you look at the Dancing On Me video, right? A lot of people don't know this, right? Uh-huh. Jim Jones took the girls from the Beyonce video,

from the Single Ladies video with the leotards, and he put them in the video in the same leotard. He did a scene like how the Jay-Z video. So he was doing like little subliminal shots at Jay in the video.

I didn't really understand it at that time. So now we got Summer Jam, and we said, yo, listen, we're going to do a funeral for Auto-Tune. Browse, we'll do Pop, She in Pain. You're going to do Dancing on Me. Soulja Boy going to do Hop. And we're going to go crazy. We was kind of going to make it like a mockery of the Jay-Z shit. So Jay-Z didn't go to Summer Jam for God knows how many years.

We backstage about an hour before we come out, my manager Fish come back and say, abort mission. You ever seen, you ever seen, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever seen Lean On Me where he's like, cold take, cold take in the chair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's me.

He came back there, the whole crowd going crazy. Now, Jay-Z's so powerful, like, you could watch the screen of the show from backstage whenever what was going on, the screens were black. So we looking like,

why the screens were black? We can't even watch the show. Jim in the back, smoking like, yo, why the TVs went off and shit? I'm like, I don't know. He go out there,

Jay-Z on stage. Well, who he came on stage with, by himself? He came on by himself. Okay, no one broke him out. He's doing Devil Auto-Tune by himself, right? His record had already been out prior to that. It was only out for like a month.

Okay. A month or like two days? Maybe two days. Okay, yeah. Because I remember- He dropped it on a Monday. The rumor was he dropped it like on a Monday. Monday.

It was Sunday. It was not that long before that. It was right after I made the tweets. It was like- And the whole crowd knew the record. It was like two weeks. He go on stage, right? All right.

Now, Maju, we know that, well, I don't know. We think in the record it's about what we doing because of the whole Dean Dash, Jim Jones affiliation, right, at the time. But the rest of the world don't know that. They think he talking about T-Pain because T-Pain the biggest nigga doing auto-tune. Right. In the middle of his performance, T-Pain come out on stage with him. And he

bumped him. Give him a chest bump and he came back upstairs. And I said Who gave who the chest bump? Who gave T-Pain? Remember T-Pain talked about it on the show. Remember T-Pain came out out of nowhere and just came on stage with I felt like he was trying to say

nah, this ain't about me. Like, I'm good, you know what I'm saying? So now, I'm looking at these things like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm looking at these things like, I told y'all this shit wasn't about T-Pain. I told y'all, niggas, it wasn't about him. So I never forget, Angie Martinez at a birthday party. Nori, you ever see, like, go going to club And just see niggas laughing Or see people laughing somewhere

And you feel like they laughing at you Yo, your conspiracy Might as well have to change No, seriously Yo, I'll never forget this, man Angie Martinez at a birthday party I go to the birthday party, right? And it was like a VIP section

Inside the VIP section It was another VIP section So, mind you I made these comments The VIP and the VIP? It was the VIP and the top VIP Okay, I. So, mind you, I made these comments. The VIP and the VIP? It was the VIP and the top VIP. Okay, I understand.

So, mind you, I made these comments. I'm standing on it. You know what I'm saying? I'm losing friends. You know, DJ Kool and them stop speaking to me and shit. So, no, seriously. So, I go, listen. So, I go to the club.

And inside the club is Jay-Z, Beyonce. It's Lenny S. It's Clue. And it's like a couple of, you know, you know, like it's like the rich friend circle. Like, you know,

the wealthy circle. This is after you made a tweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like after somebody's even all that. So now, they in the VIP section but they VIP section

is inside the VIP section. So you can get in the VIP but you can't get in they section. I don't know. I lost my mind over here. I come in, I come into the fucking club.

Don't tell me you're trying to get into the VIP. No, no, no, no, no. I just sound worse than that, right? Okay, cool. So it's the worst. I don't know I lost my mind I come into the fucking club Don't tell me you tried to get to the VIP No no no no I just sound worse than that right Okay cool So I'm not ready No no no

Let me get ready I'm ready So So I lost my mind right You know I said some stupid shit about Jay Which I should have known Motherfucker said

Tweet The tweet I should have never said nothing to that man Okay I'm sorry, Jay. I said sorry before when I said it. I'm saying it again. I don't apologize.

So now when I get there, I'm still paused. I'm still feeling myself. I got a new one record. I'm running around. I'm having fun. I ain't never had one before. I come in the club. You ain't never had one before?

No. Like, what? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, you scared us. No. I went to the house hours. I'm going to. Like, move, move, move. Whoa, he's scared of us. No, I went to the wash house. You're storytelling a billion times.

No, you can do a shot with me or what? Hold on, hold on. I'm going to get ready. Go ahead. Keep going. So, I need another shot. They gave me a baby shot. Yeah, it's going to be a long one.

Take it slow. No, no. This shot. They gave me a baby shot. Yeah, it's going to be a long one. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Take it slow. No, no. This is what we do. You telling? Yeah, I know, I know. But continue your story. So, boom.

Uh-huh. So, now, so, I walk in the club. I got two white women with me. Okay. I got a... I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know if it was bad. No, no.

It was bad at the time. Okay, all right. I got two white women with me. I got a big-ass shade. or bad. No, it was bad. No, it was bad at the time. Okay, all right. I got two white women with me. I got a big-ass shade. I got a red coat, red shade. I'm in there looking crazy. I walk inside the VIP. I got shades on.

When I see them, them niggas is just... I don't know if they was laughing at me or not. They were laughing at you. But they were laughing hysterically. They was laughing. You see somebody laughing, they just can't breathe. These niggas was laughing so hard. Man, I'll never forget. My manager got mad at me because I just left the club.

I left the girl, I left him, I just got the fuck out of there. Yeah, no, serious. Nah, it's like, I felt like Jay-Z winked at me. I don't know. I felt like he winked at me. They're serious. Yeah, but after that, like, after I did that. He said he winked at you?

He winked at me. You mean he winked? He winked his eye at me. He winked hised at you? He winked at me. You mean he winked? He winked his eye at me. He winked his eye at me. He winked his eye at me. So it's like, after that, you know, I started seeing the effects of it. Like, when you say shit about, especially at that time with the radio being so powerful, you can't say nothing about them niggas, man.

Them niggas, everybody stop fucking with you. It's like, niggas stop playing my records and all that. I had to go through. I had to apologize behind the scenes to everybody. Call a nigga's cousin. Like, you know what I'm saying? You got canceled. I ain't mean it.

I ain't mean it. Tell home I'm sorry. You didn't call a nigga's cousin? Yeah, I called everybody. I'm trying to get the home. It's hard to get the home. Okay, all right. So now back to you.

You make arguably the only dent in Ho's record, song called Eater, for a Queens guy. This is why. Deuce by a Harlem guy. This is why. Have you ever met Jay-Z after that? No. You've never met Jay-Z? The only time I seen him was at the, at Baseline.

You went to Baseline after? Hold on, time out, time outanie No, no. The Baseline was before. They wouldn't allow me in that. I wouldn't have went to Baseline. Kanye did Takeover. Nas did the whole album with him. Damn, I never looked at it like that.

Why would I be like I just did the beat. You from Harlem, bro. But Kanye arguably was down with them. You looked like you were down with Nas. For real? I mean, I would think so. Why? You did Ether.

Yeah. Okay, so you've never actually physically seen that man? No. Okay. Let me slow it down. How about Dane Dash? Yeah, yeah, I meant Dane Dash. After Ether, I'm saying. Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah. I'm at Dane Dash. After ETH, I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. After. This is AE. After ETH. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Dane, yeah. So you and Dane, what's his name?

Dane's a good one, buddy? Nah. No. He was with, I met him when he was hanging around, I mean, around gym, around Pop Champagne. Oh, you guys were shopping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did see Jay. I didn't see him physically.

So he met Dame after the breakout. Right, right, right. I did see him that day. He's talking about at Summer Jam. I seen him willing Jay in, you know, like the go-kart thing to get him to the front of the stage. Day. No. Who?

Jay. Oh, somebody else willing Jay to get to the front of the stage. You know, like the go-kart thing? Sure, yeah, you know. Like the golf cart thing? Dang. No. Who? Jay. Oh, somebody else willing Jay to get to the front. You know, like the go-kart thing? Like the golf cart thing? Yeah. They, they, they, they brought him. Yeah, they, I seen them bringing him to the stage. Who, Jay? Yeah. Okay, alright. The dude,

um, DOA. Okay. The dude. DOA. Okay. Now, I know this is sounding like a conspiracy theory. Yes. I know you know you said it earlier. You think DOA had anything to do with you because of you and your participation in Ether, the only dent on arguably one of the biggest purses in hip-hop? Do you think so?

I didn't think about that until the day he's talking about when Flex and Mr. C, God bless, was playing on the radio and they saying these things. And I got a hunting phone call. Yo, J.D., this is you right now. Yo, J.D., this is you right now on the radio. Turn it on. And let's be clear. He didn't say your name. He said T-Pain's name.

Yeah. But he's also saying because of Dane being around him also. No, no, no. At the time I have an Auto-Tune record Right But when Flex is saying It's over for you

Whose name Cause I know you remember He's saying my name And saying Web name Okay and then Is he saying T-Pain name No He's not saying T-Pain name

No No No He's just saying us He's like yo Y'all my guys Y'all my guys But Auto-Tune is finished I know it's dead I was like He's just saying, yo, bro, yes. He's like, yo, y'all my guys. Y'all my guys, but

all the tune is finished. I just did a car show for you like a week ago. Make the noise. The noise. It's crazy. It's crazy. Listen,

Browse is like, Browse is like the calm one. Browse is like, all right, cool. Let's think about this shit before we say it. I'm like, man, fuck that. What do you think they're trying to assassinate us, bro? They was going, Nuri, I mean, he played the record for about an hour straight. Like, great.

And he kept saying, this all the tune is finished out here. I'm like, why you wait till we get the shot? I waited my whole life for this record. You going to do this now or not? Yeah, I got 100 phone calls that day. Yeah. Straight up. They like, Jay's dishing you.

Crazy, crazy. Right now, turn the radio on. I'm like, wait, what's happening? Okay, what was the- So it made it seem like that. Okay. You get what I'm saying? So.

What was the better phone calls that you got? When Def of Up, or when he did, was it DOA? Uh-huh. Or when Eiza came out, and Eiza actually was critically acclaimed the winner. What's the difference between those two phone calls? Yeah, that's the bit in the sweet right there. Okay. Same amount of calls?

No. I feel like more people knew you when you did Pop Champagne. Yeah, more people knew Pop Champagne. I was, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it was a mad phone call. Yeah. Because they, and people are telling, yo, he dissing you.

You think that was a part of it, too? Is that he kind of was, him and Jim Jones was kind of going at it? I've heard conspiracy theories. There's a lot of elements in there. I don't know. Man, listen, I caught a stray. Listen, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He threw everything into the fire. For sure. Yeah, it was a combination. It's Jim, it's Dame, and then he, yeah, yeah. He threw everything into the fight. He's like, is this? Yeah, it was a combination. It's Jem, it's Dame, and then he did Ether. He's like, Jay-Z is the master. Oh, so you feel like you caught the strength. I caught the strength, and I was with you. I had nothing to do with Ether.

He said it starts with Ether. No, serious. I got, I'm like, yeah, come here. But I just did the beat, so I didn't feel like. Nah, nigga. It was a direct hit. Nah, nah, nah. You got something to do with it.

So if a producer produced a diss reggae, and I ain't feel like... Nah, nigga. It was a direct hit. Nah, nah, nah. You got something to do with it. So if a producer produced a diss record and I was dissing you, you would feel the way with the producer as well? Yeah. We're getting DJ Mustard right now with... Because you know what? I know the process it takes to fucking release a record. I know you got to sign off. I know you got to mix it.

I know you got to fucking... You master it. I know you got to fucking... You know, I know all that. So I know that if you gotta fucking You know I know all that So I know I know that if If you a part of a diss record Of me You're actually a part Of the diss record

Yeah So fuck that You guilty No but you gotta look At the position At this time He was brand new So he didn't even have to

I don't give a fuck About that brand new shit There you go You a part of the diss record Of me You are the diss too Yeah yeah yeah Fuck that

I ain't gonna lie So you never did a Rockefeller record since? No. Rightfully so. Goddamn. Rightfully so. Rightfully motherfucking so.

You know, I know, shout out to Nas, baby. Yeah, I know some of the, you know, the street guys, so it's all good. So how about Nas? Have you worked with him since? Yeah, I did

Last Real Nigga Alive for Nas. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has he ever like came to you and was like, you're good looking, man? Give me me. Nah, call him, man. Huh?

Yeah. Call him. Hold on, hold on. Hey, man, put me in bar with this shit. I'm saying, man, bring you in the bar. You got to straighten his last name out. Okay, so when you were to start Chicken Noodle Soup, was that the start of Harlem start dancing again? Absolutely.

Yeah? Without a shadow of a doubt. You got to think about it. Before that record came out in 06, the last time niggas was dancing to Harlem was when G-Dep came out. That was the last time they did it. Special Delivery? Yeah. And you got to remember when G-Dep was doing it, G-Depth. That was the last time they did it. Special Delivery? Yeah, yeah. And you got to remember,

when G-Depth was doing it, they shit wasn't even for the kids. They shit was like more of an adult record with kids dancing. And my shit was like the streets making a record for the streets.

Right. Yeah, so I think, I feel like that started, you know, I started a movie called Life You Move In. Like I said, I don't like to say I discovered anybody

because I feel like only God discovered people. But if you look at my first album, that's the first time you've seen a lot of people who have great careers now. Like, you know, Bianca's and Tiana Taylor's and, you know, like I said, the Mooks and the Rex's and all that. So I feel like that was the start of the dance. Wait, I'm not understanding. You claim it's Tiana Taylor? No, I'm just saying the first time you heard her or, like, seen her in any video or it was on my album.

That's like family, though. I thought the first time we saw was on that Teen 16. Yeah, that was after. After? So what happened was you know how the record labels work, Norby.

Once you, once, like look at the drill. Like once, once one person made a drill record, they went looking for everybody doing drill.

So once I made the Light Feet music, that's how like Lil Mama went and got her deal and then, you know, Pharrell snatched up Tiana Taylor and, and you know, Jason Fosk got snatched up by, I think, Jermaine Dupri,

because they was looking for the sound that I was creating. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people went and got deals because of the movement that I started. I just, I wasn't a smart enough businessman at the time to say, you know what, let me sign a bunch of these people and put them out through it. I was just like, nigga, I'm from Harlem.

Everybody got to eat. Everybody get on the album. Everybody get paid. Everybody make their way through their careers. So I like to say, I helped start a lot of people's careers.

I played the intricate part in the start of Sianna's career. Let's name him once again. I'm Sianna Taylor. Let's go. Young B, which is Bianca. If you listen to my first album, Browse was producing on it.

I was producing. You put in, man. You said you put on Browse? No, I'm just saying. Okay, all right. No, I'm saying that because... You're going too fast. No, I'm just saying. No, I'm saying that because... You're going too fast. No, I'm just saying that.

No, you're the reason I started doing music, Browse. Okay. But, you know, like, even though T-Rex and Red Moon was battling and stuff like that, like, those are my brothers. Everybody was around me. I was like, listen, we all get on the island. We're going to split this money up together. We're going to boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And whatever goes, goes. Like, that's the rule. Whoever get in first, bring everybody in. And then pause. Whoever get in first, boom, boom, boom. And whatever goes, goes. Like that's the rule. Whatever we get in first, bring everybody in. And then pause. Whatever we get in first, bring everybody in, pause. And then we all go from there. But sometimes it don't work that way. Sometimes you got to just do what the fuck you got to do.

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Y'all sent up? Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. We got an auto-tune record too, know what I mean? Huh? We got an auto-tune record too. Yeah? Yeah. mean? Huh? We got an auto-tune record too. Yeah?

Yeah. Dane Grease, remember? Oh, shit, what's your name? I did so many records. What's your name? What's your name? What's the name of it? It's called So Hot.

Remember that joint? Oh, okay, yeah. That ain't work. Mm-mm. It ain't work. I tried. I tried. I tried.

I tried sneaking in an auto-tune shit. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. It ain't working. I tried. I tried. I tried. I tried sneaking it all up to him. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. It ain't working. Keeping it wicked down. It didn't work. Okay.

So you want to threaten the rules? Yeah. We're going to give you two choices. You pick one. We don't drink. You say both or neither of them. We all drink it. Okay.

Okay. You got it? Yeah. And give us any stories with anybody you want to give. Okay. You got it? Okay. Yeah. And give us any stories with anybody you want to give. Okay. You got the first one? Nope.

Cam or Jim? We said this on a plane. Well, I got money with Jim. I don't really know Cam like that. Jim. Yeah, I mean, it depends what Cammy talk about What Jimmy talk about Nah Neither one

I've never heard of Do they cancel each other out? I feel like you gotta take a shot You gotta take a shot You said we gotta pick one right? Yeah If we don't pick one Everybody take a shot

Yeah right I'm not picking one I'm ready to take a shot Yeah hell yeah We all gotta take a shot at it. Right, right, right. Yeah, I'm not picking one. I'm ready to take a shot. Yeah, hell yeah. We all got to take a shot. I hope the nigga answer that. That way.

Okay. You got your shots? Everybody got shots? We got to take a shot on his behind. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, because you came with this nigga. Y'all together. I'm trying to stop the beef and look at Norby Star this year, bitch.

That's the queen nigga for you. Nah, I'm out of it. My name is Bennett, and I surely ain't in it. I'll tell you that. Who don't got shots? I don't got one. Wait, they got shots?

Mm-mm. Oh, yeah. You ain't got your shots either. I got my shot right here. Oh, shit. All right. Wait a minute, Jamie. That's the same shot you had before?

Absolutely. Oh, you ain't. Oh, okay. Shit. You babysitting. That's what that called. Okay. All right.

You want the next one, too? We're going to leave you in Harlem Let's go Oh let's take the shot first Oh yeah Let's take the shot first Salute to that I couldn't use that one?

Can't That's another way this works Oh okay Rules Webb get your shit together man Thanks Cheers Oh we got to do a shot?

Yeah shot Are we doing one two three? It's your fault Come on Yeah Go ahead Maybe I got the rules I thought we don't pick neither one

Because you didn't want to pick After anybody did a shot If you don't pick We drinking If you say both or neither You don't pick If you pick we not drinking That's why we did a shot

A$AP Rock or A$AP Ferg? A$AP Ferg Yeah yeah Shout out to Ferg You know We got some music Yeah? A$AP Ferg. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Ferg. You know, we got some music. Yeah, we got records with Ferg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Go ahead. Dave Eastervato. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, shout out to Vato. We got a lot of music together, too. And, you know, we show up for each other. I'm going to say neither again. This nigga.

I'm just so appalled. I'm going to say neither again This nigga I'm just so appalled I'm going to take one Jamie he needs something over here I have the same one by the way Hey man Go ahead I'm going to let you have it all Harlem Pause We got to take this shot still

I took my shot You're Frank Lucas now Call him. Pause. But we got to take this shot still. I took my shot. I took my shot. You're Frank Lucas now, EFN. Okay, you got to take two. Oh, here she go. We in dangerous territories right here. We are. Yeah.

Yeah. Big L or Black Rob? Rest in peace to both. Ooh. I know where you going Alright You gotta take You gotta say both

You know what I mean Yeah Alright Rest in peace That was a harsh Yeah Yeah Yo

The Dominican and the Colombian Writes the questions over there Yeah Yeah So just so you know Just to be clear He's from uptown He's from Harlem

Just to be clear When I said neither I meant both. Yeah, we get it. We get it. The audience doesn't get it. It's good that you cleared that up. I want to make it sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just for you to say you happen to ask these questions, I prefer you say both. But if you want to keep saying neither, I'm going to drink anyway. I'm going to say both. I get it. I understand. And while we're here with Big O, how did that Ebonics record come about? Yeah, well.

I was outside cutting school one day, and Big L just happened to walk through the block. And I was like, he was looking for- What block is this? 127th Linux. 127th Linux. 127th Linux. He just popped up out of nowhere. And he's the guy in Harlem at this time, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was looking for some stuff. I'm like, hey, bro, I got some beats, man. And he came upstairs, and the first beat I played him was the Vines. He's Big L at this time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You knew who he was. So I'm like, yo, I got some.

He was asking for some other things, but I was like, yo, I got some beats. And he was like, yo, let me hear it. And the first beat I played for him was Ebonics. And did he start rapping to it? No, he said, yo, put it on tape. Because at that time it was, you know, tapes, he put it on tape. So what was he playing it on if he had to put it on tape? The drum machine.

Oh, what the fuck? You had a drum machine walking around? No, no. No, just crawl upstairs. All right. All right. I'm like, oh, this nigga. Okay.

It was different. Okay. And he was like, I played it for him. He was like, yo, let me get that on tape. And then he came back and let me hear how it sound. So, you know, I didn't have Pro Tools at the time. So he had to do a straight run on the tape. All right.

We did that. And he said, yo, we're going to go to D&D and do it for real. So we went to D&D and we did that. First time in a real studio? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he killed us. My first time was... No, your first time. No, no, no, no, no. So you knew how to operate?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been in the game since 92. Okay. Oh, so damn, you was producing before that. No, I was rapping. I was signed to a label called Big Boss Records. I was signed to Kevin Chow's. Okay, wow. I was signed to him. Kevin Chow? Yeah, I was rapping. I was signed to a label called Big Boss Records. Signed to Kevin Chiles. Okay, well. Yeah, I was signed to him. Kevin Chiles?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really? Oh, shit. That's the big bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. That's big time. Let's take a shot

for Rob and Big, all right? We said both. All right, hold on. This is a game. Yeah. Hold on. He tried to change the rules.

Slow it down. You got plenty of opportunities to take shots. We got a long time. We're paused. Okay, go ahead. Okay, I'll take this one. You did got it. Kool Moe D or Curtis Blum?

Oh, Kool Moe D. Kool Moe D for sure. Because I feel like, you know. Both? All right. He disagreed with you. Kool Moe D for my block. We just want to be here.

If it wasn't for those guys. Did he always have the big glasses? Yeah, always. Always had the big glasses. Yeah, he was in school with my mom, so he always had them glasses. He what with your mom? With the school. Oh, yeah.

No. What did you say? Come on, bro. Slime, you just going to throw your mom and love out there. I'm like, I got scared, man. Let's take a shot for mom and love. Take a shot. Take a shot.

I love you, mommy. Shout out to the scared, man. Let's take a shot for my brother. Take a shot. Take a shot. I love you, Bobby. Shout out to the legends, too. We weren't supposed to take a shot for that one, right? Yeah, no. He said both. Okay. All right. Cool.

Oh, yeah. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. J.R. Ryder or J. Mills? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

Both of my guys. Both. Both. Both of my guys. Both. All right. Shout out to J. Ryder. Shout out to J. Mills. He got his shot. It was my guys. Both. Both. It was my guys. Both. All right, Salud. Shout out to J. Ray. Shout out to J. Mills.

He got his shot. His shot has been chilling. His shot won. I got a lot of shots. He think we on seals. You're not invisible. Remember the chemistry. Salud.

All right, man. Yep. Okay. Go on, you. I got this one. You got it? Oh, no, I don't. Okay. Go on, you. I got this one. You got it? Oh, no, I don't. Okay.

Mace or kiss? Mace or kiss? Mace or Jadakiss? Or murder Mace? I mean, Jadakiss. Go on. Both. Both?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Mace. I'm out there like, nah. Jadakiss is different, though. Shout out to kiss. I found him a lot. Yeah, shout out to kiss. His consistency is, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Mase. Jadakiss is different though. Shout out to Kiss. I bought them all out. Yeah, shout out to Kiss. His consistency is like immaculate.

Jadakiss is like one of the closest. Mase kind of changed the- Yeah. You know, the- The trajectory of how we look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. His impact was crazy, but Jadakiss, he'd been consistent for like 25, 30 years straight to this day, you know? When Mace was on that screen

It was like When he was in Harlem He was like, that's us That's how we are Like, you know what I mean So you picked Mace No, he said both I was picking both

You know, shout out to Kid That's my guy So take a shot Alright This is the slowest shot taking ever Hey, man What you want us to do? Not be great?

Alright I'll catch up Don't worry about it Okay Okay This is the slowest shot taking ever. Hey, man. What you want us to do? Not be great? All right. I'll catch up. I'll catch up. Don't worry about it. Here you go. Okay. I got this one. Biz Markie or ODB?

Damn, that's a good one. And rest in peace to both of you. Both, both. Okay, Salo. All night. Salo. You good over there? All night.

No, Brown's not a drinker like that. You know, Brown's more of a shit piece of a... Well, he knew he was coming today. I feel like he playing that game where you can't see where the shot is at. I love this one. Yeah, switch rules. Analog or digital, both of y'all?

Analog. Analog. Okay. Analog or digital, both of y'all? Analog. Analog. Okay. Analog. Good. Good choice. It's crazy y'all say that being that you capitalize off of auto-tunes, you know? Yeah.

Being such a digital thing. But the roots though, the roots is from- Of course, no, analog. Analog sounds way better. DMX or Biggie? Rest in peace. Shit. Biggie? Rest in peace. Shit. Biggie?

Yeah, sometimes I be feeling like I wish I did a beat on Ready to Die or Life After Death. To my Biggie? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I still feel like that's like the Big is like the blueprint of how you should structure your album, the range, the beat picking, you know, the flow.

I feel like if your level of artistry is not on that level, I'd just be like, man, I can't, you know what I mean? Right. You know what I mean? So I'm confused. The recipe's amazing. I think they both said Biggie. on that level, I'd just be like, man, I can't, you know what I mean? Right. You know what I mean? So, I'm confused. The recipe, what do you pick? I think they both said Biggie.

Both said Biggie, okay. Yeah. Okay, I'm in. Okay, you want the next one? Tupac or Eazy-E?

Pac. Tupac. I got Tupac's story too. Let's go. So, Tupac wants to get on Chicken Noodle Soup? No.

Okay, my bad. My bad. You went too far with that go. So. Tupac wants to get on Chicken Noodle Soup? No. Okay. My bad. My bad. You went too far with that one. My bad. I never even told this story before. Okay. So,

so my block is like a legendary block in Harlem. They filmed like movies like, like Sugar Hill and New Jack City and Juice was all filmed on my block. So, like when they killed

Old Man Quillis, that's like my grandmother's store. Okay. When, when T killed Old Man Quillis, that's like my grandmother's store. Oh, wow. When Tupac fell off the roof, that's my great-grandmother's building, when you're on the elevator shooting and all that. So, I'm like, this, it had to be, like, 91. I was, like, I was in elementary school. So, they trail this was parked

in front of my school. So, I knew all the older niggas from my hood because my cousin, who I got my name from His name is Webb I just kind of hijacked his name That's my cousin So That's fire

So Pac brung So my man Chuck Black Who used to be in the DJ SNS I don't know if you know him He brung me And like four of my other friends On the trailer to meet Pac And Pac was like

Yo what's y'all names and all that He was like yo this is Lil Webb He said Webb what that mean Where you get that from I'm like Webster And he was like, yo, what's y'all names? And all that. He was like, yo, this is Lil Web. He said, Web, what that mean? Where you get that from? I'm like, Webster. And he was like, yo, you kind of look like Webster, right? No, serious.

Oh, you're talking about, you're talking about, yo. Yeah, yeah, Emmanuel Lewis. He said you look like Emmanuel Lewis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was just like, nah, you a star. Your name is Webstar.

You a star. Don't let nobody tell you you can't be nothing. And then I just ran with the name ever since I was a kid. All right, time out. That's crazy That's dope

That's a dope story Wait wait wait You trying to say to us right now I gave you your name I gave you my name No kidding Eddie has ties to Harlem as well Through his mom

And running the The Black Panther chapter Why you make your face like that Like I just made this up You been saving the story I'm saying I mean and running the Black Panther chapter. Why you make your face like that? Like, I just made this up. Yeah. You been saving the story with this. Keep it saving for drink chance.

I mean, niggas from my block know, but, like, I ain't never, I haven't done an interview like this in a long time. That's dope. Nah, seriously. Dead serious. 91, bro. Like, if you do the knowledge,

if you look at the school ahead, the whole movie was shot in my whole block. The park, the basement with GQ's DJ. That's my grandma. All that's my block. It was 91. I was probably in the fourth or fifth grade. I was a little nigga.

I don't got no dope story like that. I hate it. I hate it. That's dope. This nigga's crazy. I said, Pac came right in. He going to take a deep breath. Ah, this nigga.

Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. I'm sorry. Because I'm like, I don't got a Tupac story and you just hit me with the dopest Tupac story. That's more than a story. That was straight hate.

I ain't gonna lie. That was like, what? Like, now you got a dope Tupac story. What the fuck? Named you. That's like a nigga having a Prince story and be like, trying to out Prince you. And the nigga be like, you're a dope Tupac story. What the fuck? Named you. That's like a nigga having a Prince story and be like, trying to out-Prince you.

Nigga be like, yo, listen. I really seen Prince levitate through the whole thing. You like, damn, nigga, you out-Prince my story. Yeah. So I ain't even got a Tupac story, so you killed that. Holy shit, I don't even know what the next one is. Go ahead, let's go. We got to change it because of what you said.

Okay. New Jack City or Juice? Juice. New Jack City. They both in Harlem, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. New Jack City, that's... Wesley Snipes.

That's Wesley Snipes. Yeah, Chris Rodgers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It influenced a lot of the Harlem hustlers. Does that building really exist in Harlem? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really exist? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fact. Yeah.

Oh, shit. Go ahead. All right, Dane Grease or Large Pro? Dane Grease. Shout out to Grease. Grease, yo, Grease, I don't know if a lot of people know, but, I mean, Grease created, like,

he had a sound. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? And, you know, a lot of producers now, like, they be creating, like, like a snare drum or a pattern or something. But Grease had this snare that he used to use, and that was just fire. It was fire. So let's me ask you a question real quick then.

Dame Grease or Swiss Beats? Ooh. Both. Both. You got to go both. Because both of them created... All right, take a shot for that. I'm trying to take a shot. We got more go both. Because both of them created a sack like that. Take a shot for that.

I'm trying to get a shot. We got more shots. Yeah, come on. I mean, so we're done with this list. This is beautiful. It's a long list, man. Yeah, yeah.

That's why I told you, slow down. Yeah, that's why they're baby shots. Shout out to Swiss. That's my guy. He got Saudi Bronx. Yeah, Saudi.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that shit too Heat makers Or track masters Track masters I sound like a little bit I ain't gonna lie I ain't gonna lie I can sense

Both both both Look at this Look at this Look at this I take both man Hold on What's going on With you and the hit makers Nah Nah

I love the heat makers. The heat makers. The heat makers. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. You never told the story. He never told the story.

You never told the story. Tell the story. I just told you the story. You ain't hear no reality. No, I need to hear the story. I'm not going to. I'm going to tell you the story. I'm going to tell you everything.

Pause. All right. So what happened? Nothing happened. Everything's beautiful. Nothing happened. I'm a therapist I don't know

Your face is saying a lot Nah I don't even know the heat makers Shout out to Arsonist man You know He created that sound for Dipset Okay Yeah

Really? Yeah we grew up off the track masters Right And I used to be like Yo I need my beats to sound like Track masters Like the clarity Total tone

The production How it sound. I was like, I need to get that, that sound. Yeah. If y'all ain't figured it out yet, browse the technical,

you know, he knows all, he knows everything. The lingo, the vernacular is amazing. Okay. I'm coming on. Yeah.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I seen your face. Uh, my eyes are 50 set. Ooh. Nah, I was a 50 cent. Ooh. See, I... Well, you work with both of them. Yeah, I work with both of them.

So when I get money with people, it's different. Because, you know what I mean? It allows you to feed your family. Yeah. So Sean, I got a lot of money with 50 cent, you know, from producing

help for Lloyd Banks, Playboy for Banks, Whip Your Headboy for Banks. So, yeah, I mean. But it started, don't lead the witness. What? I'm saying, so who are you picking?

Nah, both. Both? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't care. You said Nas or 50, right? Yes, yes, yes. I'm not even going to say anything. I think the borrowed queens owe me a check. Look at that, man. I'm not even going to say anything. I think the borrowed Queens owe me a check.

Look at that, man. I'm with you. I feel like. I'm with you. I don't think they're going to help me out with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they work. I'll bring you up during the next Queens delegation meeting.

Solo, solo. I don't ever go to that meeting no more, though. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to foul. It's really a Queens delegation meeting? Come on, man. It's like the black delegation God damn it Do we really meet up

And talk about black issues No Exactly We should though We should We should though You know what That's a fucking great idea

Yeah You know what I mean K Slayer Clark Kent Rest in peace Both Ain't got to think about that one Yeah Golly, man.

This is a hell of a game. Shout out to K-Sway. Yeah, man. K-Sway. Come on, guys. Both of them super legends. You know what's crazy? I want to say this real quick.

Yeah. I believe the first time that they all three was in the room was with Clark Kent. That Clark Kent funeral. That's the last time Jay, Dame, and Biggs was all in the same room. Wow. Yeah, they were all in the same room. They didn't speak to each other. I mean, Biggs and Jay was together, but Dame was there.

And that was the last time. And it's crazy because Clark brought them back together for one last time. Wow. That's crazy. You know what I mean? So that at his funeral. We got to take a shot for Clark. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that at his funeral. We got to take a shot for Carl. Yeah.

Salud. All right, you holding that down, God damn it. You might as well just keep it going. Doug E. Fresh or Rob Bass? Doug E. Fresh.

Yeah, yeah. Rob Bass from Harlem too? Yeah. Okay. Doug E. Fresh, at Doug E. Fresh Studio, I made the beat CD at his house

that had Ether on it. Because I ain't had that equipment at the time. So I went to Doug Fresh Studio, I made the beat CD at his house that had Ether on it. Because I ain't had that equipment at the time. So I went to Doug Fresh Studio and made the beat CD that actually had Ether on it. So shout out to Doug Fresh, man. Goddamn. Can't take no away from Raw Bass and Easy Raw. No, there's nothing

out of that. It takes two. It's one of the endless records of all time. You got the next one, too. You got all the Harlem questions. Jewels or Max B? Ooh. records of all time yeah you got the next one too you got all the harlem questions jules or max b oh um did you do that did you have a personal relationship with uh not personal but you know i'm gonna say both honestly jules is cool free to wave yeah but it's all harlem man so yeah both read away oh yeah yes Oh shit shot Shot o'clock I'm all over the place

Alright Hurry up it's fast Yeah Shoot More Jay Alright A. Conner T. Payne

That was for me For good It was for you You got all the Harlem shit T. Payne or T-Pain? That was for me. Go ahead. It was for you? You got all the Harlem shit. T-Pain. Yeah, shout out to T-Pain. He's like the birth

of all the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. The godfather of auto-tune. Who is the godfather? You're trying to say T-Pain is our godfather. No, no, no. No, of auto-tune.

It's the auto-tune part. Auto-tune. No, no, you got to give him his respect. I mean,'s the Auto-Tune part. Auto-Tune. No, no, we got to give him his respect. I mean, he definitely took Auto-Tune. I believe he deserves his brand.

And now I'm asking y'all as two brothers that use Auto-Tune, is T-Pain the godfather of Auto-Tune hip-hop R&B? But shout out to... Because we know George Clinton and

what's his name? Roger Troutman. Roger Troutman. But that wasn't Auto-Tune. Auto-Tune is appropriate. Yeah, but that's Auto-Tune' cousin, though. Right, right.

That was organic, natural. They was using the keys for this shit. Shout out to Akon, because at the time, T-Pain didn't like how I was using the Auto-Tune. I guess he went on an interview and must have said he didn't like how I was using it. Oh, you ain't tell me that. But Akon called me and was like, yo, y'all don't need to be beefing. Like on some OG shit. Like, yo, y'all don't need to be beefing. Like on some OG shit. Like, yo, y'all don't need to be beefing like that.

It's all love. While you responded to him? I didn't respond. Okay. But you was going to? Most likely. I was getting amped up from multiple people. You didn't even produce either.

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Akon was like, yo, we ain't on that type of time. You know what I mean? It ain't no problem. So we kind of deaded the end, whatever energy it was. And me and T-Pain ended up doing a record together. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shout out to Akon, though. You and T-Pain did a record together? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it auto-tuned on there? Absolutely. Okay. 100%. Auto-tuned sounds, too.

Wow. Go ahead. UMTV raps or Video Music Box? Video Music Box. Yeah. I think Video Music Box influenced me. Without Video Music Box, it probably wouldn't be on UMTV.

Ralph McDaniel. Shout out to Ralph. Yeah, man. Uncle Ralph. We had him on. Check it out. Beat Rock or Primo? Both. Both. Reminisces one of Ralph. We had him on. Check it out. Pete Rock or Primo? Both. Both. Reminisces one of the best beats in the world. I ain't got no more. Not that version. It's the same version.

That's the Auto-Tunes version. This is the Sparford version. These are the most classic hip-hop records ever. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Absolutely, it is. And, man, Primo got so many crazy jokes.

Shout out to Primo. Shout out to P-Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. With love. F-ing his goals. Yeah. I just saw.

I just did. Yeah. Okay. All right. Dre or RZA? Dre. Both. Ooh. 36 Chambers, man? Dre. Both. 36 Chambers, man.

All right. We're going to skip that one there. He said both. All right. Cheers. Chico. This is drink chance, bro. All right.

Cool. I don't know how I became from champagne to just only shots. It's the game this is the game it's almost over it's almost over okay it's only 20 more

nah you good you good we got like five more Busta Rhymes or Eminem Busta alright but don't forget the shot we had

come on what the fuck Salo whatever which one I have multiple alright is it Busta or Eminem I just want you to know A-Rap money man you know All of them. Whatever which one I have. Most of them. All right.

By the way, A-Rap money, man. You know, you don't have to. You can rewind time. Boris, tell him about the box. Busta actually, he was like,

yo, we got to get into that. Okay. Hold on, chill. Calm down. Calm down. I'm relaxed. I thought it was almost over. No, no, no.

Just this part. Okay. Wu-Tang or NWA? Wait, did we answer Buster M&M? You said Buster. They both said Buster. Oh, okay. Fast. They both got money with Buster.

You can tell. Absolutely. That's right. That's my brother. Let's go. You said... Wu-Tang or NWA? Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang. Okay. I.A.? Wu-Tang.

Wu-Tang. Okay, I knew that was going to be easy. Kid Capri or Funk Flex? Yeah. Ooh-wee. Both. I'm in. I'm in.

We know the importance of them DJ relationships. Nah, I ain't going to lie to you. I'm not sleuthing you on that. You can't take a champagne shot, bro. Listen, this is the way the game goes. Amen. This is 2025. I twist and turn the way I want to go.

Pause. Pause. Salute. I'm going to hold it down, I guess, man. Yep. Pause. Excuse me. But, uh,

Kickapree is probably the illest DJ Live Ever He can rock any crowd Answer the phone Fuck it We don't give a fuck

You did it on purpose That's the alarm Okay that's your alarm? No that's Actually You got a different type of alarm Yeah That was us supposed to wake up

To make me on hand on time And then Funk Flex Is the Big B on hand on time. And then Funk Flex is the best radio DJ of all time. Yes. Shout out to Funk. And he gets busy in the clubs too, I swear to God,

but I kid you not, I don't know how many times I miss my flight because he said, pull over. And I pulled over. And he said, he said,

he said shit like, go in the register. I don't fall for that part. But he was like, when he like a record, it go crazy. What do y'all think about? This is no, we got one more question. Yeah, do the last one. All right. This is the last question.

I'm not going to say nothing. Loyalty or respect? Wow. Loyalty or respect? Wow. Loyalty. I'm going to pick one of these. Loyalty. Respect. Okay.

Yeah, I think if you respect me, you're going to be loyal to me, yeah. So you're saying both? Yeah, both. That's the only time me and him agree that you always should say both. It's both, man. Both, man. Solid, solid, solid. One of them got solid.

I guess you're going down. Yeah, man. I ain't got no more. That's why. Jamie blew it up. She was supposed to pull my shots over there. Yeah, she did. She blew it up.

She got laid. She's like, I'm going to go with these ginger ale shots. You know what I mean? Ginger ale, you know what I mean? But it's okay. She ain't champagne in there. All up.

No, no, no. We don't hide shit from the fans. Let the fans fucking see this shit. So, y'all coming out with an album together now. How the fuck is this working? I mean, me and Browse always work the same way. Okay, tell us. Browse is like, he works around the clock.

Browse used to be up all around the clock in his house just making beats, beats, beats, beats, beats. And then I wake up in the morning, he got the idea already done. And I'll come and just add to his shit. How did you guys originally connect, though? T-Rex. Yeah, so it's a battle rapper named T-Rex. Everybody knows T-Rex. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Legendary. Legendary. Legendary. So Rex was signed to his record label called Money Ave. Rex was one of my best friends growing up. And honestly, I want to give him a smile because he's one of the reasons that him and T-Rex is one of the reasons I started doing music. Just going to the studio, watching them.

I didn't know nothing about music. Watching their process, seeing everything he did. And then all the girls liked him because they had records. So I was like, fuck it, I need a record. Shout out to Rex. Oh, Rex.

Yeah, Rex. Because he had a record. Yeah, yeah. So Rex introduced us, that has to be like the early 2000s. Yeah. And this is like, he, you know,

this is after ETH and all that. Like, this is like, this is like, wrong brows, wrong brows. And I met him, and he's treated me like a brother ever since. And then we've just been rocking ever since then. Goddamn.

Yeah. Y'all supposed to do an album, and he got high, and he changed on you. He didn't change. He was just, you know. That's what you said. No. He didn't change. It was like, it was more like a lesson.

He was like, nigga, because me, I used to get distracted. He got high. He started wearing sunglasses on you. And now you started wearing sunglasses. I'm a kid real shit. I think he the reason I got my second deal. But I ain't going to lie, bro.

There was a time It's like a hype. It's certain eras. It's like a You know There's certain eras It's Hyde William eras You know The Scott Storch eras Pharrell eras

Timberland eras Yeah The Swiss Beats era But that Ron Bowles era Was different Was different It was super different Party

It was party But you Like God bless me For you know Anybody else from the city That had that same era But you was staying in the city Like you were

You were giving everybody From the city New York I'm sorry I say in the city I should say New York Yeah in New York. Be specific.

You know what? I forgot. New shots is kicking in, bro. I feel like speaking to the five barrels. I'm sorry. I apologize. I forgot.

This is a global thing. Okay. Yeah, but you... But this is a time when New... If you... If you had them hits in New York,

you ran the actual world. Yes, yes. You had a piece of that era. Yes. All the time. Yeah, man. I just felt like I was the point guard. But where did it start from?

Because I know it's Ether, right? That's put you in the game. Pop Champagne was the first time you on a record, right? Yeah. And actually you stopped. When did you have that cheese line? What I mean by cheese line is if you want to line it up.

Pop Champagne. Pop Champagne. Yeah, I was able to control the temperature because I could put a hook on it and artists would be like, oh, it was diverse. You had the formula. Yeah, just to be, just to hook and artists would be like Oh wow You had the formula You had the formula Yeah yeah This the beat This the hook

And artists would be like And that's how we create it Rotate Right right right Shout out to you for that Give you your flowers Give you your flowers Go ahead

Yeah yeah but I was able to control The temperature Cause I'd be able to do the hook Okay And do the beat And artists would be like Oh I get it

And I just felt like I was the point guard For New York. Like, I'm just throwing alley-oops all over the cross. It's a fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Pop Champagne,

and after Pop Champagne, what was the next record? A-Rap Money. Okay, how does this happen? Bus called you? Bus called me right after Pop Champagne, yeah. Yo, I need something now.

Bus don't care. He don't care what you're doing. He's gonna be sleeping Immediately Wake up now Bus I'm sleeping Nah Now wake up

I'm in the studio Sitting right now Bus I be like driving You pull over Hold on Hold on Hold on

Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on

Hold on Hold on Hold on Hold on Alright So what was the initial Initial conversation Y'all first had

yo I need something right now something like not something like pop champagne but something with that energy after pop champagne right

not after ether no okay after pop champagne I need something right now okay I said alright I send you you know what's crazy

how you rap money I thought was too weird and I put it like in the back of the CD for real I was like yo people gonna think I'm it, like, in the back of the CD. For real. I was like, yo, people going to think I'm bugged out. But is this face-to-face?

You have me on the phone? No, no. This is on the phone. Okay. So he's like, send me, send me. So money gives him your number. Yes. And then he calls you? Yes.

And then he says, I'm Busta Busta. I don't know how Busta got my number, actually. Yeah, listen, it's very weird. But when he says, this is Busta B bus, you know no one's imitating this. Yes. This is the AI back in the day. Yeah, no, no. Okay, continue.

And he's like, yo, I need something like that. Like what? Pop champagne. Pop champagne, yeah. Something with that energy. He referenced pop champagne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if he referenced it.

He said, I just need something. You knew what it was about. Energy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, all right, I'll send you some joints. And then I had Pop Champagne on there. I mean, A-Rap Money. Was it called A-Rap Money? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK. I said, I'm going to put it in the back. Because I said, yo, people are going to think I'm weird when they hear this. Like, yo, he bugged out. As soon as he heard that, he said, yo, this is my single. I don't care what you're saying on the hook. This is my single. Wait, wait.

OK. What are you saying on the hook? The hook was already. He don't even know. The hook was already on. He was on there. hook this is my single wait wait okay all right what are you saying already the hook was already on there and and we definitely don't know what the you're saying i was saying nothing at all it sounded like you spoke something for a minute let's sing the hook real quick. How does it go? I lie, she gotta lie. Anybody lie, hey, anybody lie. We get hate rap, buddy.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wow. Did you ever get any backlash or any negativity from that? Absolutely. Of course. I was in Lebanon. I got booked in Lebanon and they was like,

are you scared? That just sounds different. Yeah, they was like, are you scared? I got booked in Lebanon. They was like, are you scared? I said, scared of what, they was like, are you scared? I got booked in Lebanon. He's like, they was like, are you scared? I said, scared of what? They was like, of what you're saying on the song.

So now, like, y'all, y'all locked me up? Y'all booked me? It might have seemed like it was blasphemous. Yeah, like, y'all booked me to be like, yeah, we just knocked you up. But it was like, yo, we take that offensive. I'm like, no. They thought when I was saying we getting air money, meaning like, we taking.

I was like, no, we getting when I was saying we getting A-Rap money, I mean like we taking. I was like, no, we getting. That's what they got offended by? I thought you were saying Allah in the- No, no. It was they, we getting A-Rap. They thought I was saying taking money from them or something like that. Oh. Yeah.

But then you performed? Yes. Did you do that, buddy? What? Yes. But I remember I was at the airport. They was like, we're going to bomb this up. What?

I was like, I'm on the flight. They flight out anyway, so good luck. Bomb this up because of A-Rab? I didn't know. They was just, you know, that's the Instagram and comment. I mean, Lebanon's a dope place. I don't get those Instagrams. Shout out to Lebanon.

I don't get those. I'm being honest. They're going to bomb. I don't get those Shout out to Lebanon I don't get those I don't get those I'm being honest They gon' bomb I don't get those Yeah they You was getting bomb threats? Yeah actually You a different type of nigga

Alright cool Let's drink some more I'll take another shot Of champagne? Of champagne God damn it Yeah but Busta was like Yo this is my single I don't caredamn, goddamn. Yeah, but Busta was like, yo, this is my single.

I don't care what you're saying on the hook. But Busta said, you're not saying nothing on the hook. We have to make it a real hook. Then he put,

he linked up with Q-Tip and they said the real, actual prayer. Oh, so then it does say something. No, they squished it to the actual prayer. Oh, so when you were

saying it, you weren't saying shit. They switched it out. Then they got backlash from the prayer. Wait, they switched it to the actual prayer. Oh, so when you were saying it, you weren't saying shit. No. Then they got backlash from the prayer. So you were like the demo version of this. The remix, they went to the real prayer. You were like the demo. No, I was the original. No, I'm saying, but they

used your version. Yeah, my version was first. You said the remix, right. They kept saying, what is he saying? And I'm like, I'm not saying nothing, really. So then he's like, we got to make you say something. And they did the actual prayer. On the remix, right, right. What is he saying? And I'm like, I'm not saying nothing, really. So then he's like, we got to make you say something. And they did the actual prayer. On the remix, though. Yes. Not the original.

The remix. And then they were saying, no, that's from the backlash. I would imagine, yeah. From the prayer. So they did, we got to switch it back. Switch it back to the original, which was my original hook. Right. So that happened.

Yeah. But Busta be out there Every almost Every other week What? Out where? Saudi Like Dubai and stuff? Yeah like No he's good

I mean I'm sure Do you think he's doing A-Rap money out there? Why wouldn't he? I'm asking I act like it's between me and him Right? I was like

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Nobody's gonna get Nobody's gonna get Nobody's gonna get Nobody's gonna get Nobody's gonna get Nobody's gonna get I remember Jim was like, you should have kept that record for yourself.

I was like, I should have. But I don't think I would have had the same, like... A-Rab money for yourself? Nah, you should have kept it. Nah, that was... Busta had the campaign. Yeah, that's the right person for it. He had the whole vision for it.

You know what I mean? Definitely. I agree with that. But is there, other than that and Pop Champagne, was there any other record that you gave away that you felt like you should have kept for yourself? Man, I get crazy for Nicki Minaj. That beat is like, the beat is viral by itself.

What? So I'd be like, damn, I wish I would have kept that one. Yeah. But shout out to Nicki Minaj. Yeah, goddamn, she killed that. Yeah, yeah, she out to Nicki Minaj. Yeah, god damn it. She killed that. Yeah, yeah, she killed that. Big Queens. Yeah, Big Queens.

Get a check from me, Noy. Oh, hey, man. Hey, man. Listen, it's not like that. So what's the next record after A-Rap Money? What's the next one that goes? Jumping Out the Window?

Pop Champagne, yeah. Jumping Out the Window with this one. I do my De La Universal, yeah. Jumping out the window with this one. I do my deal at Universal and put out jumping out the window for sure. All right, so Universal come to you. Yeah. They give you that bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You ain't got to say it. Yeah, I know. But it's like, is it like change your number? But what happened was You know I caught a check With Universal I caught the check with Jim I caught the video check

Jim was making sure Like yo you gonna be Right Uh Sound like it makes sense Let's go You know what I'm saying So

Yeah yeah yeah Shout out to Sylvia Sylvia gave me my Sylvia Rowan gave me my first deal Oh shit Nah I don't smoke I know I'm just trying I'm gonna smoke It's okay to Sylvia. Sylvia Rohn gave me my first deal. Oh, shit. Nah, I don't smoke. I know. I'm just trying.

I'm a smoker. He's a smoker. Come on. You got a chance, bro. Come on. Goddamn. Goddamn. Goddamn.

So, Sylvia Rohn. Yeah. Is she still in the music business? Yeah. Yeah. I think she's at Sony, I believe. Okay. What do you think about the music business? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? I think she's at Sony, I believe.

Okay. What do you think about the music business now, both of you guys? Like, I just feel like it's no, it's like a free fall. Whoever can come up with the fastest gimmick, fastest record, it's like, it's not like like It's like effortless almost To me Right I mean social media

Yeah anybody That whole thing Anybody can do a record now Like you don't have to put the work Into create a record You don't have to put the work Into break a record All you need is this

Right Which is a gift and a curse Because it gives It gives more people Opportunity to make money Which is great But it brings the quality Of music down

That's the thing You can make a million records Easy Yeah And then put out a million records easy yeah i feel like if you're a dreamer it's amazing for you right now right like you know you can wake up and be like y'all want to do a video like this and like this and it's possible and yeah yeah you can put it on your dsp any any there's no one saying you know, I don't like that record. You can be like, no, I like this record. I'm putting it out on Friday. I'm shooting a video on Saturday. It's endless for the dreamers.

You know what I mean? Because we didn't have that back in the day. Yeah, we had to pay for packages. All of that. And then if the label didn't like it, it's like, nah, we dubbing that. That's not happening.

You know what I mean? So if you're a dreamer, it's endless for you right now. You know what I mean? But still an're a dreamer, it's endless for you right now. You know what I mean? But still an uphill battle because oversaturation is an issue. But if you're nice and you get busy and you're serious about your project. But you got to cut through the clutter. You got to cut through the clutter.

There's a lot of clutter. That's why you got to make them records that stand out. Right. That touch people, you know? Pause. So what are y'all doing with y'all album? Let's take it full circle. What is the name of y'all doing With y'all album Let's Let's take it Full circle

What is the name Of y'all album Y'all out here Filming a video right Oh shout out Yeah we got a record Called Let's Get Rich

With me Webstar Mr. Cheeks Pause Shout out to Mr. Cheeks Mr. Cheeks My artist Mac Yeah

So yeah You know what I mean And we just Like right now, the game is so crazy. We just create records, put records out, and just see where it goes.

It's not a well-thought-out process like back in the days when you were in. Well, that's the luxury of now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That pressure ain't there. We're not going in with the pressure

of doing a whole album saying we got to have this, this, and this. We just create records, and then when something starts picking up steam, then we'll just go from there. You guys living out here now?

Nah. I've seen you in Miami. I've seen you not that long ago out here. I've seen you at my event. You got to come out to the AMs, man. You got to come out to the AMs and have fun. Your event was crazy I came to last time. When are you doing another one?

That was our anniversary event. I'm going to do it again this year, yeah. When I saw you, I was out here with my guy, Neff, the director, Neff, and my guy, Art Stardust guy It was at 210 Jack's event Shout out to Yeah So what's something that You regret in this game

That You had the opportunity to do Necessarily And then you was like man Maybe not Like a mistake yeah a mistake or maybe even something that you you you um spending money stupidly when I got it not saving and not investing the first time around like you know you when you

come from nothing and you and you and you get money for the first time you like you know if you don't have to write people right you gonna do the wrong thing with the money so it was like you got a lifestyle you got to keep up with you on TV people see you everywhere you got to right people around you, you're going to do the wrong thing with the money. So it was like, you got a lifestyle you got to keep up with. You on TV. People see you everywhere. You got to keep your image up, but you might not have no money. When I phrased in my record, I was broke as shit.

I spent all my money doing dumb stuff, going to strip clubs, buying jewelry, clothes, cars, stuff like that, and I ain't have nothing really to show for it. So if I could do anything, I would probably save my money and invest it and probably try to surround myself with people who knew the business

and knew how to manage money better. Right. How about you, bro? Being stern on your vision because I came from being independent and then getting a deal. Then when you get a deal, they kind of alter.

Universal. Universal to get you Motown a song deal for you? album deal yeah as an artist or as a producer? artist okay okay continue

yeah so you'll start bumping heads with what I label for as your vision you know what I'm saying so they'll have a vision for you but you have your own vision

and sometimes you kind of play the you don't want to ruffle the feathers. I don't know if that's a pause. No, it's not a pause. But yeah, ruffle the feathers as far as their vision and your vision. So you'll kind of be like, all right, whatever y'all think is the, instead of being stern like, nah, this is what I'm doing. This is the vision. This is how I see it's the Instead of being stern Like nah This is what I'm doing This is the vision This is how I see it

Rolling out So I just kind of regret Just being stern On my vision When I was signed Alright so before Y'all get up out of here Let me cover everything

And if we did Cover everything We covered more than everything Please let us know Did I tell you about the top Nah just Yeah yeah yeah This is the time

I say fuck it Nah nah fuck it We got the time? No, I'm just fucking kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to say this is the time. I'm going to say fuck it. No, no, fuck it. We're at the fuck it time. Well, let me just tell y'all something. Both of y'all control New York City summers. Yeah, absolutely. When New York City summers meant something. And that's what I mean by that.

You know, God bless y'all, the rest of the country. Big Gip, I look at Big Gip. Everything that Big Gip ever says. And he has a bigger burden about New York than even you. I don't have a burden, bro. And burden's not the right word. I think it's just hate. A chip is what it is. We're not hating.

We're telling you historical facts. I know. I'm hating that. You're hating that the facts are facts. Nope. That's what it is. I'm hating that y'all just remember when we just dominated everybody. And it doesn't have to do with the time that he's talking about.

Maybe going back to Ebonics. Maybe Ether. That's still that era. But, okay, let me get back to my point. Both of y'all brothers control. When you control the summer in New York, it's like controlling the summer in all nine planets. At least at that time.

Now, it doesn't matter. If you control a summer anywhere, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? But back then, I hate to sound like that guy. In my day. I mean, we're that age it is what it is but Chicken Noodle Soup

destroyed and then what's Dancing on Me and then you guys with all of y'all records y'all controlled New York New York at that time were controlling the world. How does it feel to be that number one producer slash, you know,

influencer that's the first influencer? How does it feel? I'll start with you first. Honestly, like, you know, we don't really think, I mean, coming from, I'm going to speak for you a little bit, too. Like, the neighborhoods we come from, like, nobody makes it from where we come from. Like, it's like, like Biggie said, you stay in crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot. Right. And ain't nobody, so you don't believe you can do it.

So I believe when we was doing it, we wasn't even thinking about that. We was just living in the moment, and it kind of just happened organically. We was able to have our moment because we never got a chance to really imagine that something like this could happen. This is where I was going back to saying, like, this is why when you're living in the moment, you're not thinking about the future. But you can't prepare for it. You can't. Like, there's no preparation for it unless you did it before or you got somebody with you that you love that's did it before. So it's the best feeling in the world. It's like there's nothing like New York in the world, and it's the you got somebody with you that you love that's did it before. So it's the best feeling

in the world. There's nothing like New York in the world and it's the hardest market to conquer during that time especially, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like

it's just an amazing feeling. Do you still know how to do the chicken noodle stew? I never knew how to do it. You never knew how to do it? Can you do a little portion of it?

No, I can't. It's not going to rain and I can clear it out. That's it. I just chose. Why this nigga trying to make me dance? Come on, come on, man. This is...

Who these niggas, man? This is your biggest moment in your life, man. Come on. Show us the fucked up version of Chicken Noodle Soup. Not a whole studio got to do it together with me. We got to let it rain and then we got to clear it out. I ain't gonna lie to you. We got to see you demonstrate it first.

Nah, I just did it. It's like the electric side. Somebody got to start it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we, you know what I mean? Come on, start it off. Show us how the chicken noodle soup start. What you mean how it start?

Like the song. The song. No, the dance. How the dance start? I don't know how to do the dance. You don't know how to do the fucking dance? I can just let it ready. You made millions of dollars

with this fucking song. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. I did. You got to get it. I don't know how to fuck with you all. You don't even know how to do the ready. I made millions of dollars. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did.

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I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. You a scammer You a scammer Come on Come on You know how to do the dance I don't know how to do the dance Sit down and do the dance Come on

He just did Bro I just did it That's it That's it That's all it is Man you sold that for a prince man I need money back I need my money back

I spent money on this shit God damn I'm fucking with you I'm fucking with you I'm fucking with you I'm fucking with you You know how to do the A-Rap dance? I mean A-Rap money dance?

Yeah That's very easy That's it? He said yeah That's very easy Yeah I know how to do that too We all did it in the video In the remix video

God damn Before we get out, rotate. Rotate. Rotate. Thank you very much, my brother. What do you mean, my brother? Thank you very much. No.

No, no, no. Before you, I do want to say something about that record that, and I don't know if Nori would say it the way I would say it, but this is when you kind of were coming out of hip-hop purgatory. It's purgatory. It's purgatory. It's purgatory. And he was working, this is like the beginnings of when the Drink Champs was manifesting. We were down south

in South Miami and Kendall, to be exact. And you were burning hot. Yep. And you facilitated that record to him. Yeah, Busta. Busta came to me, he's like, we gotta come up with something for Nori. And that's dope. That's dope. Yeah, for real. That's dope. Yeah, for real.

Busta had a different idea. Yes. He was like, you sound like the fire trucks coming to town. I said, no, Busta. No. Yes, yes. And I said, let me do the hug, Busta. Yes, yes, yes. And I came up with Roti.

That's it. That's it. Yes, yes. Thank you very much man yeah yeah i know i told you thank you for the side but let me say thank you let me tell you thank you too yeah that's right we got we got record too yo i got footage of you okay oh here we go seriously in the helicopter no no save this for the last time let, no. All right, let's go. No, no. I'm ready. No, I wanted to say this. Get a shot.

Get a shot. Get a shot. Can I get a shot, please? All right, go ahead. Continue. End it with a shot. End it with a shot. I want to say this.

I'm working right now on a documentary with Monsi Lipman, Mike Wheeler, and Peter Gation, the owner of The Tunnel. I'm working on a documentary with The Tunnel. I heard about this, actually. Yeah. I got footage of you on stage performing in The Tunnel. That's not me, the jumbo of stage? No, it owner of the tunnel. I'm working on a documentary for the tunnel. I heard about this, actually. Yeah. I got footage of you on stage performing in the tunnel. That's not me to jump off stage? No, it's not.

No. It's not you. It's Capone. Yeah. Somebody threw champagne on Capone, and he's jumping in the crowd. You have to meet him. I kept performing. Yeah, you did.

Yeah. No, no, no, no. That's not what you did, because I got the footage. I watched it. What did he do? Who brought this in here, man? Somebody threw champagne on him. Boom, boom, boom.

Capone just jumped in the crowd. Started trying to get the nigga that threw something on him. And Norby said, Norby had about 5,000 niggas on stage. He said, go get them. And like, that's what he did.

And my father, niggas jumped. Yeah, yeah. Niggas were in the crowd and they went, I can pull the buckle back on stage and then they finish performing. That's dope.

Yeah. I didn't know you was that powerful. I'm sorry, bro. Those were the days. Those were the days. I don't remember not one thing he said. I am, I'm out here with a Lego. I remember that version of him.

I'm out here with Lego. I'm a Lego now, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what you talking about. You know what I mean? I love you, man. Thank you. I love you, too. I'm going to take another shot. This, too. Let's take another shot.

Before y'all get up out of here, man, you gave y'all flowers, but we wanted to make sure is there anything that y'all forgot that you want to tell y'all fans before we get up out of here? Oh, yeah, yeah, man. I got the Eat The Gang Volume 1 coming this summer with my guy, Mac Double O Wolf, and shout out to the guy. So, Eat The Gang Volume 1 this summer with my guy Mack double O Wolf and shout out to the guy

so Eat The Gang volume one this summer yeah and Mack's your artist because yeah yeah yeah Mack

shout out to Mack yeah I just want first I want to thank both of you guys for embracing every time I come to Miami I see you you embrace me

you always you took care of me with your family I want to thank you for that let's go I just want to say the tunnel documentary I'm working on another

show called Batty Gang and I'm working with wait hold on Batty Gang? what's that about? it's a dream it's a documentary about what happened

thank you you better not be in that it's a reality show about female battle rats and I'm working with They was just here The Gumbos Luca and Lex

We working on Yeah yeah yeah Working on the show To give us what we're doing And then you know Yeah we here That's it That's pretty much it

Alright And just thank y'all For you know No man Thank y'all for coming through I appreciate y'all Always Absolutely

Alright let's do it Let's take a picture Oh We did a shot already? Yeah, we did. Let's do another one. Let's do another one standing up. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production,

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