Drink Champs - Episode 449 w/ Wallo

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, Wallo!Wallo joins us to share his journey and a Million Dollaz Worth of Game!Listen as he shares stories of having a second chance of life, coming home from jail, to becoming a New York Times Best Selling Author!Wallo shares personal stories of success, failure and keeping a positive mindset through it all.Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise for Wallo!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: * https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, me and E-F-N, when we started this show, we said we wanted to give it to legends. We wanted to give it to people who have put in their time, who have put in their work. This brother right here, I can physically, I can mentally say that if I say that nothing won't crack you, I feel like, you know, a picture of him pops up and nothing won't crack you. This brother has faced, you know, diversity. This brother has been through it all from being from poverty to doing 20 years in jail. And I've never seen, I know plenty of people who've done 20 years in jail. And I've never seen, I know plenty of people who've done 20 years in jail. I know plenty of people

who've done 30 years in jail. But no one has had a positive output, a positive look on life like this brother here. I used to wake up in the morning, look at his Instagram and be like,

why is he outside in the rain? He's going to catch pneumonia eventually. And I would call his cuz up And I'd be like And he would tell me Nah cuz it's the real deal You know I met him a couple of times before that He did his time

But you know him coming home Has been a pure inspiration To not only me To I know people in this room To I know people all over the world This man is really the definition of You can't stop, won't stop My man

Motherfucker All over the building This man is really the definition of you can't stop, won't stop. My man, motherfucker. What up, my man? Let's get it, baby. And I want to stay to write to that fact real quick, right? A lot of people that I know in the industry, right, they have an act, right? So, which is not saying bad because even Batman had an act, right? Bruce Wayne was his actor or maybe Batman was the actor, right? So, the one thing about you is you are, I've never seen you like change to this other person.

Like you are who you are on camera, off camera, but a lot of people are not like that. So, how did you develop that type of mentality? I was always me. You know what I mean? I knew, you know, growing up around the way, I was always funny. I was always down to do some goofy shit. You know, and

I was cool with that. Wherever you laugh at me, wherever you laugh with me, it didn't matter to me. It was just like, you know, but I was always battling the way in the hood. You know, you be battling with, who am I? That's some shit. Like, nobody want to, you know, because, you know, I think all of us think we the first dudes that did some street shit. We not follow nobody. So you be battling with it. But I always knew, I just was, they knew Wilder around the way. He was always energy man. He was always hype, jumping over a car, doing some dumb,

doing some crazy shit, making people laugh. And it just always been me. Like, everybody that know me from back in the day, like, Wally always been like that. Motherfucker been crazy, hyped up,

ready to catch a case for nothing, always in and out of jail. I just was always energized, but a lot of times, my energy was towards some dumb shit, the street culture. Right. And I was able to Go through all the shit

I had to go through In order to transfer The energy And I just kept being me And so Yo It's hard as shit To be somebody else

Right That's hard Damn I understand what you're Trying to say Okay There's no facade It's easier to be you

Yeah No it's hard Like it's hard Like you gotta think about it It's hard as shit to be tough. Right. Because what happens when a moment, a motherfucker catch you and you ain't got your tough mask on? Right.

You chilling with your, you just chilling. What, what? Ah! You really ain't tough. Right, right, right. See, me, it's like, damn, I ain't trying to be tough. So you ain't going to never catch me trying to be, you know. But think about the dudes that just try to be tough and you're like, damn, dog, you really a pussy.

No, no, I ain't going to lie. There's two things That I've seen Recently about you One is your wave gear When you go out To catch the waves Yeah

You look very suspect Yeah And you're on the bike You're on the bike Yo You were super viral The other day No because

Listen Did y'all see this picture No I'm just saying Yo you have no shame I love that about you Put the picture on the screen You know what this picture? No, I'm just saying. Yo, you have no shame. I love that about you, though. Put the picture on the screen. Yeah, put the picture on the screen. You know what happened.

You know what happened. You was drinking that pear. Yeah, always. Come on, give me a bottle. Listen. You was drinking that pear. Cracking it down. With that, what's that called?

The one piece. Don't drink no Beijing on the juice. Okay. He got Beijing in his head. You don't get to that. I'm going to get to that shit. You don't get to that. That shit.

Tell them we're about to bike ride. Listen, so you know what's crazy? This is what's crazy, right? And I realized something. I realized that we don't live. We live, we take extreme risks in the ghetto. Right. We'll run down the block, shoot somebody, do this crazy shit.

But we never take risks on living and just living life. Living, that's a great point. So my whole thing is like, I'm just living life the best way. I don't care if you like it or you don't. I'm just trying to share my experience to show people from our environment, like, you know it's another side of life, right?

You know it's a world outside the ghetto, right? You know people just live and just have fun. You know what I mean? And that's why, you know, if you see me with my kid on, you're like, damn, Wildo, he got some, is him MC Hammer bike? You know what I'm saying, you kid.

Is him MC Hammer biker pants he got on? Let's get in and start. Actually, it is. Because Gil said, yo, cuz, you know you got bikers on. I said, I never thought about that. But then you understand, the pants that I got on, it's a cushion in them for the seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you can sit on it. It gets worse. On my phone. It gets worse. I don't know, like, it's a cushion. So when you're sitting your ass down on the chair, it be soft. It be like a pillow in your pants. So you got to have them for the rhymes and all that.

So it's like, but no, I just don't give a fuck, man. And that's when I became free and when I stopped giving a fuck. You know, I've seen a quote, or I don't know if this is a quote, or I've seen somebody say, and I asked, or someone asked him, and was like, yo, you know, how do you live life? And he says, you know, I try to live life like the day before I got out of jail. Because when you, the day before you get out of jail, you think about everything you're doing.

Because like, when I look at your Instagram, I say, this motherfucker, when I see you on a surfboard and Gilly laughing at you, and you holding the surfboard, but you dead serious. I'm dead serious. And he dead serious laughing at you. I had a list of shit but you dead serious. I'm dead serious. And he dead seriously laughing at you. I had a list of shit I wanted to do. I could tell that that was the list. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Was that the list that you had when you was in jail?

You say, I'm going to come home, I'm going to surfboard. Listen, I had all this shit. What's on the list? I jump out of a plane. So I called Gil one time. I said, yo, man, this was my 40, 43rd. It was like my 42nd or 43rd birthday. I got up that morning.

I went to the spot. I went to the joint in Jersey. I looked it up on there because I'm ambitious. Search. Found it. Bet I'm going here. I call, y'all open today? Yeah, we open.

Come down. So I go into this joint. Jump out of a plane. They take you to this room to say, listen, if you die, you die. There's a possibility you might die. So if you die, I sign the waiver. You got to sign the homeboy behind you because he's behind you, right? Listen, I'm going to give you the game on that.

So I put the joint on. So I'm like, I call again. I'm like, yo, cuz, come down. Where you at? He said, where you at? I said, I'm ready to jump out of the plane. He said, man, get the fuck out. So I FaceTimed.

He said, you's a nut ass nigga. What is you doing? I said, listen, I call you when I'm done. You got to try this shit. So we get on this plane. I got the harness on. The plane's shaking like a leaf in the air. So, we look. But the two doors are open,

right? The door open. This white guy, he clamped me to the bay. Like, he's in back of me. Clip, clip. He get in back of me. I don't know if I was supposed to say pause. But I'm not going to say that because I don't think I need to say that. So, he like this.

So the whole time, I don't, like, he like, so we standing near the door. I'm like, because I'm right near the door. So I'm like,

I don't know if I'll go first. So it's this dude with a camera on his joint because I paid for the joint so you get the camera. He just jumped out and he like was nuts. Because he's got to film you.

He just jumped out like it was just regular. I'm like, damn, he crazy. So the one guy like, all right, buddy,

you ready? He start rocking. I'm like, come on, man, what we rocking for? What's going on? He rocking like, you ready. I'm like, damn, he crazy. So the one guy like, all right, buddy, you ready? He start rocking. I'm like, come on, man. What we rocking for? What's going on? He rocking like, you ready? I'm like, oh, shit. So he go to the door and he like, I'm going to count to three. He said, one, two, and next thing you know, we in the air. So I'm like, this shit, wow, right? But it was great because this is something I

wrote on my list. Like, think about this. Okay. So you actually had a list? Yeah, I got a list. I jumped out of a plane. I went surfing. Did you still have a list? Yeah I got a list Okay I jumped out of a plane I went surfing Did you still have a list? I'm a cyclist now You still have it? Yes it's somewhere Okay go ahead

I went surfing Did that What else I did? I did a lot of shit Don't tell me you went I got on the bull I did the bull riding joint The bull?

In Spain? No no The mechanical? The mechanical joint Oh come on It don't matter I did that shit You know what I did man

You were right I did that shit You know what I did, man. You were all correct. I did that shit. You know what I did. You know what you were all correct. I went to every city. I had a list. Every city I wanted to go in America, I've been to every city I wanted to go to. Because a lot of people talk about traveling the country, and I couldn't at the time.

Right. Because I was on parole. But then I called my PO one day. She's like, yeah, you got your passport. You can go. So I started going out of the country. But I went to every city in America. Because I said the average person don't even leave the hood.

So I'm going to just go to every city. Denver, Salt Lake, Portland, everywhere. I went everywhere. Seattle. So I was just like, so I did a lot of stuff that was on the list that people probably don't want to do. So I said, fuck it. I just want to live life and be like, I did everything I want to do. So whenever I expire, I'm like, damn, I'm cool.

But let me ask you, right? Because you coming home, was it your intentions to be a motivational speaker? I was that in jail. I used to always motivate people in the corner. We used to do some dumb shit. We was always motivated. Come on, man. I got the spot. Let's go.

I'm the boy that come through. I'll come right through. Yo, Norrie, listen, man. I got a sweet joint. Come on. We out. Yeah, it's that. It'm the boy that come through. I'll come right through. Yo, Norrie, listen, man. I got a sweet joint. Come on. We out. Next thing, yeah, it's that. It don't be like that.

But you know, I got to admit, because I don't want to go by myself. So I was already motivating people to do dumb shit. But when I was in jail, I was a part of this group called Real Street Talk. It was OGs. So when people come to prison, all the people that's coming through, they'll talk to them about prison life and why go back out there, because a lot of these dudes wasn't going home. And shout out to them. Real Street Talk, greatest Back Out did because a lot of these dudes wasn't going home.

And shout out to them, Real Street Talk, greatest full prison. It's the largest prison in Pennsylvania, mostly lifers. Wow. So I was a part of that. So when they come,

we'd be talking to them and I was coming from a young perspective talking. And so I already was talking and it was this brother, rest in peace to him, his name John Griffin. He used to do security

for Malcolm X back in the day. He was from top of the clock, mass year number 12, Philadelphia, Nation of Islam. rest in peace to him, his name John Griffin. He used to do security for Malcolm X back in the day. He was from top of the clock, mass year number 12, Philadelphia, Nation of Islam. And he was a couple cells down from me. And one time we came from real street talk.

He was like, come here, Neff. I go in the cell, sit there, talk to him. He said, listen, man, I don't know what it is, Neff, but I heard a lot of people speaking and you connect with me and I'm an old head.

You know what I mean? He an older dude. He probably was like in the 60s. He was like, any young boys, man, you got something, man. Go out speaking and you connect with me and I'm an old head. You know what I mean? He an older dude. He probably was like in the 60s. He was like, any young boys, man, you got something, man. Go out there and do something with it. Now, I'm listening to,

I'm talking to a dude that used to do security for Malcolm and shit. I'm like, man, that's deep. But I ain't really, so I just got home and I got home, I just start on my Instagram

just going in from my grandma's middle room. I'm just giving it to her. How quickly did you start doing that? As soon as I got out. I'm talking about the same week. I just start going in. I heard that you were blogging a little bit in jail.

In jail, yeah. I had the phone in jail, but I wasn't. I couldn't really do too many videos, because that's before Graham really had videos. And I didn't want to do a video in a drawer, because it ain't like now where he bought a cell phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they'd have crashed me down.

I'm speaking to a nigga straight up. That's what I'm saying. They'd have crashed me down. But that's why I started my story. I started my page, Wallow267, on Instagram, I mean, in jail.

And the 267 came from my prison number, DG2670. Because somebody had Wallow on Instagram already. So I had to go with the 2670 because I'm thinking about where I come from and where I ain't going back to when I get out.

So that's where 267 come from. A lot of people think, oh, this is Philly Air Corps. It wasn't Air Corps. I thought that was 267. No, that wasn't Air Corps when I went to jail, man. Oh, that's deep. It was 215. 215 Corps. I thought that was 265. No, that wasn't Air Corps when I went to jail, man. Oh, that's deep.

It was 215. 215, exactly. It was always 215. Yeah, yeah. So I come home. I'm just doing the videos, man. All right. I'm doing the videos,

and I'm just going in there. You know, I remember one time somebody called, artist called Gil. I'm in the crib with him. He tripping. He like, somebody called.

He was on speaker. He's like, what's up with your cousin, man? That nigga crazy, man. Is he all right? Damn, man. They say Waller was on some meds or some shit upstate. I'm like, damn, cuz. I didn't even know I was on meds.

He's like, damn. That's new to me. But he just, because. Oh, this is someone calling Gil. Yeah, calling Gil. Calling Gil. He like, damn. He like, damn, man.

He tripping, right? So I'm like, it's whatever. But at the end of the day, it's like, in the hood, you get criticized for doing anything that's not dumb shit. If you decide to do anything that's not dumb shit in the hood, you're corny, you're lame, you're a sucker. But I'm trying to figure out the corny, lame, and sucker. Every time we come home from jail, they got their house, they got their pension. They went and traveled the world,. Kids put kids through college. The corny guys.

The corny guys did all that. But all the real niggas come home holding a block. Damn, what's up, man? Ain't nobody here no more, man. Take that dumb shit out. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, it's just deep, though. It's deep, you know?

Now, I want to get this rumor out the way. Go ahead. Get it out the way. You think Gilly really wrote for Lil Wayne? Without a doubt. For sure. Because I wrote for Gil. No, I'm just telling you.

I wrote some shit. I used to be on the phone. Listen, I sent him a rap. I can't. We don't know how serious he's being. That's what's beauty. I don't know. I don't know. I don't definitively know.

If you're playing, then I can't. No, no, no. Listen, listen. I wrote for him. Right. I used to send him shit in the mail. Be like, listen, and get on the phone so I can give him the Catons. I mean, just how you say it, cuz.

Boom, boom, boom. He like, all right, bet. All right. So that's, you know, I wrote for him. But, you know, I believe so, but I wasn't there. I don't know. But he told me I said yo man

Cause I used to be Talking shit Nigga you ain't right For Wayne Nigga you bum ass rapper Because I think I'm Gil Worth's critic Cause you know

Back in the day When I first started Taking Gil to the studio He signed a management deal I was his manager And all that shit And he burnt me Oh shit

He was signed to me He didn't want to rap He was playing basketball I put that motherfucking signed to me. He didn't want to rap. He was playing basketball. I put that motherfucker in a vicious deal. He didn't want to rap. But, you know, whatever the case may be. I was getting my 360 before 360. What?

I've been in 360, nigga. You remember back in the day, dudes had to tell me the 360 waves? That was me. Oh, wait. He was signed to you. Yeah. Signed to me. So when did major figures come involved?

So what happened is. And let's name the people in Major Figures. Who, um... You got Ab Lava. Ab Lava. You got Dutch and Speed. You got Bianca. You got Rolex.

You got Bump J. You had all of them in there. My man... But originally, my man Rick Lowe, El De Niro. So what happened is I'm writing raps in the basement. Me and my homeboy Dice Raw from the roots. Mm-hmm. I know y'all probably remember Dice.

Mm-hmm. I just feel like there's PCP in this story somewhere. No, I never smoked with a butt naked. I'm talking about like the group period. No, I ain't gonna talk about that.ice I just feel like There's PCP in this story Somewhere No I never smoked No I'm talking about Like the group period No I ain't gonna talk about that Alright cool let's go So what happened is

Where you going I don't know It smelled like PCP No Gil Gil got naked a couple times Oh shit But listen So what happened was

We in the basement And I'm writing names down Major coin Major figures And Dice was like Yo you should go with That major figures So I tell Gil

I said listen This is what we doing. Major Figures. I'll be going up to my man Peanut's studio. Shout out to Peanut. Dice is like, they're going to hook you up with free studio time. And we just going in there sampling shit and rapping and shit. And that's how it started. You know what I'm saying?

Spade was my man. Spade taught me how to rap. He taught me how to write raps. Spade. That's just Spade. Spade, yeah, Spade. The one who just came home. He's been home a while. Yeah, I used to be a hype-up man in this group they had called Lyrical Tears. I was the hype man. Speed. Speed. He just came home. He's been home a while.

I used to be a hype-up man in this group they had called Lyrical Tears. I was the hype man. I used to go in there. You know how the hype boys. Everybody was a hype man. Pac was a hype man. So I could throw that out there. So y'all can see how great I am. But at the end of the day, that's how it started. So is it true that

Jay was actually looking at major figures first? I was in jail. We talked about it with Gil. I was in jail, though. I was in jail for that. But I heard they all went up there. I heard Beans went up there. I heard, I don't know.

They say Beans and Gil and the figures was all tight. So they went up there together. Oh, no, no, I didn't know that part. Okay, okay. They went up there together. That's what I heard. I was in the joint. I don't know.

But they were separate entities, though, right? They were, like, going there. I don't know that part. Okay, okay, I don't remember that part. Yeah, they went up there together. That's what I heard. I was in the joint. I don't know. But they were separate entities, though, right? They weren't, like, going there saying, like... I don't know. I know they was all messing. Okay. Except they had the songs together and all that. So I don't know. I was in the slammer.

But you were a part of Major Figure. Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, shit, you said you came up with the name. But I went to the cooker. Wow. I wasn't home for that. I was home all the way at the beginning.

The foundation of the shit. Okay. Okay. So do you believe... Yeah, because that's the rumor, I'm sure you heard it too, that Jay tried to get with y'all, major figures, even though you were locked away. For some reason, he couldn't make that happen. And then that's how he went and got state property too. And that's what comes with these rumors of Jay hating on y'all. Hating on who? That's McGillie.

I don't know to the particulars because I wasn't there. I can't really speak to that. You see what I'm saying? I know they went up there. That's all I know. I know all of them went up there. Together. That's all I heard. Because somebody came to jail and was like, yo man, I went up there. It'd be somebody hanging around the fobs and just taking

trips to New York. So I don't really know. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Right. Are you a fan of Jay? Fuck yeah. That's whole. We all are fans of whole.

Right, right. You see what I'm saying? But me and Gil had different joints. Back in 1996, when Reasonable Doubt came up, I was a whole boy in the car, and Gil was a Nas boy. I seen how he acted when he seen Nas in the airport. We used to talk shit. We used to go back and forth. Oh, you was the whole house. I was the whole boy. I seen how he acted when he seen Nas in the airport. We used to talk shit. We used to go back and forth. Oh, you was the whole house.

I was the whole boy. He was from Brooklyn. He was from Queens. No, fuck no. We was from North Philly. Let's get that right. We was from North Philly. Let's get that shit right. He's about to claim you. So what happened was but Hove is Hove.

Hove is a great. He did great for our culture. He's a blueprint of what we can be,'s possible right culture of now and tomorrow You know I'm saying so I salute the whole but I'm just asking this woman We're gonna move on you don't believe you don't believe that J was was was like a Black ball and I think believe that's the word because that was the I'm gonna tell you some real shit Yeah, I can't speak and this is. This is for people that's trying to get in the street. I can't speak to Jay. Okay. I can't speak.

I don't know. Okay. But I'm going to say this. I'm in the prison. I called Gil. I seen him. I was hype as shit, man. I seen him on Sucker Free.

What's the DJ name? MTV? No, but what's the DJ? My man. I just seen him in London. Was it Cyp DJ name? MTV MTV? No but what's the DJ? My man I just seen him in London Was it Cypher Sounds? Who had Cypher Sounds was I think

Sucker Free Yeah I believe Cypher Sounds Wanted to be with David Chappelle So I'm like oh shit Jules looking crazy He was looking good on there I'm like damn cuz

What the fuck Why you ain't signed Nigga I just see him Telling everybody That be us. That's my artist, right? So on and so on, right? So on and so on.

He said, man, cuz, man, it's crazy, man. I'm getting blackballed. He ain't say about who, but this is the time he was going through the shit with Wayne, right? So Pete, there's no bullshit. Since our journey, since I've been home, I finally believed him because I thought

he was bullshitting all this time because we ran into certain people from different MTV, BET, Universal Records. Certain people was like,

I ain't know when I got that call from such and such. And I'm like, that shit was real? You wasn't lying, nigga? I thought you a bum ass. I thought you just was a bum rapper

because I didn't know, you know what I mean? I almost did a rapper. I didn't know, I thought you was bullshitting. I told you, nigga. So I don't know about, I don't know, y'all, you know what I mean? Y'all almost did rapper. I didn't know, I thought you was bullshit. He like, I told you, nigga. So, I don't know about, I don't know personally, but I know shit can happen. You know what I'm saying? Shit can happen, I don't know.

Okay, so moving on. Whose idea was it to start a podcast? Was it you or Gilly, or was it just both for y'all? Everything is always mutual. I don't really see, I don't really see just one person. I called him, though, and I was like, yo, nigga. Because you got to understand, Norrie.

But who's more adamant? Because if you were to ask me at EFN, I would always say I'm with it, but he was more like pressure. And I don't want to say pressure on me, but he was more like, you know, like, no, no, no. Try to move it forward. Yeah, try to move it forward. See, see, all right, all right, all right. So in our situation, me and Gil got different departments that we play.

I'm more of the administrative part. I'm due to research. I'm the boy who's going to come listen, because this is what it is. So I hit him up like 4 o'clock in the morning, like, yo, cuz, read this fucking article. Because me, I'm a vicious reader. I'm an article reader, audio book.

I'm reading shit to get this. All the information is hidden in the books and the data. All the information that you need. And that's why I'm able to get a lot of shit. So I'm like, hold up. Spotify allocated $400 million to podcast in the first quarter of 2019. I'm like...

That's before the Joe Rogan deal? I don't even know if Joe was there. He might have been. So I'm like, what the... I'm like, yo... No, no. Joe Rogan deal came after that. Okay. Because I remember Joe Rogan. So listen, I say, damn. Now, everybody see you

and they see Joe. Right. But nobody know the science. Nobody know the particular, nobody understand it. Like, with the podcast, y'all, Combat Jack,

Tax Stone, everybody, the whole, y'all are like the, Cypher Sounds and Rosenberg. All of them, shout out to them. So y'all like, so we like, we don't know nothing about that.

Only thing I know is that they just giving out, they giving out all this fucking money. So I said, hold up. I called him, 4 o'clock in the morning. I'm like, yo, get up. I kept calling him. He got up. Yo, what the fuck? What's up?

You cool? Yeah, listen. Read that article I just took. Read that fuck. Man. And I'm like, he going to go back to sleep, so I'm going to catch him later. And that motherfucker called me right back he said yo

we gotta crack the mics out man what the fuck is going they giving out this paper next thing you know it was on we found the place to do it started doing it and it was up from there

we believe cause I said cause the first day we came out we was under comedy cause we didn't know how to set the categories we were under comedy too we came out

and I never forgot I was in Salt Lake City comedy too. I think that's the cheat code. And I never forgot. I was in Salt Lake City because I'm the one that's paying attention to charts and all that. Dudes don't even know where the charts at. And you know what's crazy about it? I forget the brother that Tax put me with. Shout out to my man, MF Love, my man, Mont, PNB Rock Manager, the rest in peace of PNB Rock. He connected me with Tax and Jill.

Tax had a blow in there. So me and Tax texting and I asked him about the podcast shit one time and Tax was like, this is what you do. You do this, you do this. Wait, no, Tax was home. No, he was not home.

No, he wasn't. He was not home 2019. No, he wasn't. Tax was in the cooker. I thought y'all started before. No, because remember, Gilly came with Shaggy on the show and they hadn't started yet.

April 2019. You got it, you got it. Tax was in the cooker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had Gilly on twice. Shout out to Shaggy. the show And they hadn't started yet April 2019 You got it You got it Tax was in the cooker Yeah yeah yeah We had Gillio on twice Shout out to Tax So Tax like No this was

And I forget the brother He said get with him I got with the brother The brother gave me The whole game And so I already Knew that game So when we went

We uploaded We uploaded I'm in Salt Lake City In seven hours We was number four In all categories And number two Under Joe Rogan in comedy and some shit. Like in seven hours, I said, oh yeah, just that.

Because what I realized is that it's cool to start a podcast, but you really need an audience before the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we got to speak to your audience. That's what makes it dope. And what we said was we going to do something different than Nori and Joe. Joe wasn't doing no motherfucking Joe. Joe wasn't doing no motherfucking guess. He wasn't

doing no guess. You was only dealing with the OGs, the legends. So we like, it ain't no space for the nephews. So I said, because what happened is when people start podcasts, they even want to be a drink champ. They even want to be a million dollars worth. They want to be a joke. Instead of saying, let me go

somewhere where nobody's operating. So we say we're going to operate in a certain field that nobody there's no platform from them because they ain't got no and that's what we did we went straight but first we said we got to get us all first so when we started doing we took the first six months and we did all our own joints by six months we get calls from spotify and everywhere and then i remember uh people just start hitting the shack like, man, I got to come kick it with y'all. Kevin Durant like, yo, man, y'all niggas crazy. People just start coming. And I mean, they just start hitting us and we just start getting people on after that.

But we said we want to get established and then we want to focus. As you see, we had all the youngins. We just want to bring the youngins through, get them a place to have a platform from them because it wasn't one. And that was the greatest thing we did. Now, you, yeah, let's make some noise. Yeah. Thank you, man. Now, you got two, I don't want to say not only famous, but it was like heartfelt, real

moments. There's a third one as well, where like everybody from the streets, everybody, whether they made it out, whether they're still in the streets or whether they're just dealing with it, when you had that conversation with Doug and then you had a conversation with Dirk and then you recently had one with Kodak. But I would like to break down each three of those.

And Pooh Shiesty. And Pooh Shiesty, okay. I just talked to his dad a week ago. Because we had one and i regret that i regretted to have this conversation but um with dolph with dolph we i told dolph i was like i i actually asked him i said yo you ever think about moving out your city and he was like nah they love me in my city and i was like you know what most rappers fail in their own city and i kind of like alluded to was like, you know what? Most rappers fail in their own city.

And I kind of like alluded to like, maybe like, you know, look for another place somewhere else just, you know, to have. And his exact words were, almost to the T, was that shit like that could never happen to me in my city. I can't tell you how much.

Bro. Let me finish though. I can't tell you how much when, because that moment that you had was the same moment I had, right? And I didn't want to be right. Yeah, you never want to be right. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I can't tell you how much I cried

because I was like, damn, I actually warned the brother, but, you know, like, I respect him, and I know not to talk down on the young generation. I know to talk to them and not down. And sometimes not even a barf, just talk to them direct. So I was speaking to them direct, and not down. And sometimes not even above, just talk to them direct. So I was speaking to them direct and I didn't want to be like, yo, you know what, young

brother? But you did. You cut deep. I believe the first one started with Dirk. So let's start with Dirk. First one, Pooh Shiesty. It was Pooh Shiesty? Okay. Pooh Shiesty, King Vaughn. Okay. King Vaughn was there? Yeah, King Vaughn joined. King Vaughn died a week after our podcast. Wow. We had King Vaughn and in that same interview, rest in peace, King Vaughn was there? We had King Vaughn join. King Vaughn died a week after our podcast. Wow. We had King Vaughn, and in that same interview, rest in peace,

King Vaughn and PNB Rock in that same interview. Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. You've been to that one, the oldest studio. They're all together. If you look at the picture, rest in peace, you got King Vaughn in this whole clip. It's a clip. It's King Vaughn, it's Gil, me, PNB Rock, and standing right next to him at the door was Cheese, Gil's son.

God bless. Wow. God bless. Oof. So you got to understand this. That was the first conversation. It was a poo-sized. No, I did poo.

Okay. You know what I mean? I look at it like this. Nori, you know, and I know, anything can happen to you anywhere because Nori do not. Nori is from Miami, born and raised. This motherfucker lived in Miami. He can walk in any restaurant. This is what you know you made.

He can walk in any restaurant. They're going to make him a plate. He can just do whatever. He can go and stay in anybody's house. He can do whatever. He lived in Miami. So for him to make him a plate. He can just do whatever. He can go and stay in anybody's house. He can do whatever. He live in Miami. So for him to say that, he was dead. And Dolph, the rest of the pizza Dolph,

Dolph was one of the most smartest, business-minded musicians, first people in the rap game I ever talked to. He knew the game. So I talked to him from a place like this. I'll be 46 June 21st I love being

I love Being on I love That I made it this Cause most of our homies Ain't making the C-17 They ain't making the C-18 Right

You know what I mean And everybody in this room Probably got like The older dudes We got about About 25 homies That's not here no more That's dead

That's gone Not counting the other 25 That's in the penit more. That's dead. That's gone. Not counting the other 25 that's in the penitentiary that's never going to make it back. So to be out here living life, I want them to see that. I want them to be able to get over the hump and be like, damn, I ain't got no hair no more. Like, that's a different vibe.

It's a little scary. Like, you cheating, too. I'm mad as shit. Stop rushing. Stop rushing. Fucking cheating. I hate you. I hate niggas who are here my age. Yo, do that. to that. I'm mad at you. Stop rushing. Stop rushing. Fucking cheating. I hate you. I hate niggas who are here my age.

Yo, do that. Do that. Okay. You cheating. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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and they're going, yes, man. Right. They got to be around. You know how many times I talk to some of these young boys, and the old head to be in the crew be like, I'm glad you told him that he need to hear that. But nigga, why you ain't saying that to him? Fuck,

the paycheck is that strong? You don't want to get sent home? So it's like, nobody else going to tell him this shit. Because everybody, I don't need you, Neff, I don't need your money.

I don't need you. I know Pooh Shaxx is a young kid. What made you, what made you? I seen Pooh Energy. I had to give it to him and I seen what he had going on. Okay.

So I stepped to him. I said, Neff, what you doing? I said, yo man, don't disrespect your blessings. I mean,

because you looking at all this shit, you talking to, you got to understand this, in this game, we coaches. Coaches last longer

than the players. Phil Jackson had Mike and Kobe, baby. I'm going to see all y'all players come through. I'm going to still

be coaching, nephew. So I'm just giving you a game because I done seen you before. I done seen you on the streets and I done seen you

in the industry. It's a clock on that shit. And it's based off of your decisions. You know what I mean? And you know when the money comes, you become untouchable. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, I had to tail pull. And I had to talk to all of them.

Because it's like, why not? And I know they respected it somewhere. They all respected it because anybody else wouldn't be cool with it I know they respect it in some way. They all respected it because everybody else wanted to be cool with it. I ain't got time for that. It was a moment in a Dirk interview where you also, anybody who lost somebody

don't relate to this moment. You sit there and you like, and you riled up. And I remember me feeling you. And then I remember me being Dirk though. Yeah. I remember because Dirk looks and he doesn't look at you.

Not like he couldn't make eye contact with you, but he purposely made eye contact with one of his friends and was like, your cousin really crying over here. But in any other situation, like his friend might have been like, laughed at, you know what I mean?

But it was so much of a real situation. And that interview has now aged because now we understand what Dirk is going through. We understand what he's facing. Do you wish he listened to you more?

See, I don't know the particulars of the situation. Do you remember that moment when I was talking about? Yeah. Where you start, I believe you said you forgave your brothers. I forgave my brother's killer.

Your brother's killer. And you describe it and then you start crying. And when you start crying, like, he's just looking at one of his homies, just like, you know, as a cosign. Like, it wasn't being disrespectful. He was just like, yo, cuz, really crying. But the energy in the room wouldn't let that joke allow. But it was a very serious situation. You remember that moment, Waller?

See, this is what people don't understand. We could have did that interview anywhere. Y'all did it in... You see what Dirk said? Okay. I'm doing this so we can get deep and personal. We're living in the perfect time. He didn't want to do it in the West.

He told me, wow, I want you to come here. We got to have some real rap. So when I come, wow, I want you to come here. They need to, we got to have some real rap. So when I come in there, right? And it's the old block? I don't know where it's at. I just know it was the fucking basement and it was a hundred niggas in there.

That's all I know. So when I come in there, he's seeing me like, damn, that's what you're doing, man. He just seen me in Oakmoor. He just loved it. Because he like, they need this.

They need this. When you say they need this, Dirk is saying that to you? Dirk is like, yo, you got to come to the block. You got to talk to the block. Okay. You see what I'm saying? Because, you know, I made it, but it's like, I made it, and I want to take anybody, but I can't.

And he's my friend. See, this is what we don't understand about together. What you're saying, this is Dirk's energy. This is what Dirk tells me. He's not saying this to you, but this is his energy. No, no, no. This is what he told me. Oh, he said this on his mind. Oh, okay. Wow. Wow. He told me on the phone, like, yo, I need you to come to the ghetto. What are you saying? This is Dirk Energy. This is what Dirk told me. He's not saying this to you, but this is the energy. No, no, no. This is what he told me. Oh, he said this on his mind. Oh, okay. He told me on the phone, like, yo, I need you to come to the block.

Wow, that's deep, yeah. Because it's like, I need you to talk to them, because they fuck with you. They fuck with you again. That's correct. We fuck with y'all. Like, y'all like, really like, they watch y'all shit all the time. We all like our uncles. But I know you can just come to the block, because I made it, but everybody else ain't going to make it and

I just need you to show it there's a different way and so you know that's why I got so passionate in the room because I know we got a room full of young niggas in the street ghetto revenge is king that's your pride that's what you carry that's your trophy that's like this belt like revenge

yeah I got them niggas back so it was like at that moment, I had to share my story. Like, listen, bro, when you see me now and you see me with my niece, my nephew, you see me with nanny, you see me with my mom, none of that is possible if I ain't forgive my brother's killer. Just think about how the hood would be if we just, if we, see, if we was able to forgive. You know, one motherfucker die, 10 people would die from that. Then them 10 people, 100 people would die from that. Like, you got to think about this shit. We out here shooting in the motherfucking mirror.

We shooting us. You looking in the mirror, you shooting yourself. So you got to say to yourself, like, that was the greatest thing I ever did. And I share that story every time with people so they can understand. But it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy. Right. But then at the end of the day, it was.

Because we designed to die for a motherfucker, not designed to live for a motherfucker. But I'm looking at them little babies. I'm looking at my niece, Maymay, when she come in that visiting room and say, Unc, she don't even know what's going on. Unc, you ain't come back to jail, is you? You got to take me here. And she sit on my lap. And I'm like, am I enough?

Like, yeah, Unc, I can't wait till you come home. And he just lost his dad, but he sticking it. And I'm like, there's so much shit going on. But I'm like, I got to live for them. I got to live for nanny. I got to live for mommy. I got to live for, and that was a great, I'm not here if I don't live

for them. So I'm an example of what living for your people is like. You see what I'm saying? And then you got to battle with the you got to understand it was a battle. It was a battle with the idea of like you deal with that

ghetto pride but as I'm evolving I'm like I'm not even thinking on that point. But then I'm sitting here and I'm looking and I'm saying my brother he know I got to be here for these kids. I can't let him down. You know what I mean? So it's a battle that goes on.

And it's like, when is shit ever going to stop? When the annihilation of black people by black people going to stop? It's up to us. And we can't. We got to figure this shit out. So I'm just trying to lead by example. And let me tell you something. You know how many people that came up to me over the years

and say, my brother got killed, man. I seen you. I seen that TED Talk, man. I seen it. Man, I needed you, Lo. So, you know, I did what was right.

But let's clarify a little bit, right? Just for people that's listening. You're saying that if you was to be right now, like in an alleyway with your brother's killer if you was to be right now, like, in an alleyway with your brother's killer and you could get away with it, you still would walk the other way?

I couldn't live with that. Let me tell you something, Noy. I'm not built to kill nobody that look like me. That's real. That's real. I respect that.

See, see, see, see, see, because you know what? You know what? I'll be cheating. You ain't, you don't get no blessings when you're cheating, baby. You know how you try to play both sides of the same? I'm a hustler, but I'm going to tell my mom I'm be cheating. You don't get no blessings when you're cheating, baby. You know how you try to play both sides of the fence?

I'm a hustler, but I'm going to tell my mom I'm doing good. I'm going to try to spin my parole officer. You can't cheat this shit. You can't cheat blessings, bro. You can't play both sides of the fence. And I'm just not built like that. See, because now I got to think of his nanny. I got to think of his kids.

I hope that a person will grow from that and become somebody better. But I can't. I'm just not cut like that. Some people is. Some people is cold. I'm not cold like that. I'm warm. And I'm cool with that.

If I'm a sucker for that, cool. Nah. I don't think. I ain't saying you, but some people don't. They don't understand. They ain't level up yet. Yeah.

Because that was the thing was in that room with Dirk. Now, I wasn't saying you, but some people don't understand. They ain't level up yet. Yeah, because that was the thing was in that room with Dirk. Now, I wasn't there, obviously, but I felt I was there, and I know that little nigga energy. I don't mean to call them little niggas, but you know what I'm trying to say? That younger mentality, you know what I mean? We don't cry for this shit. You know what's crazy about that room?

And I keep telling people, these young brothers in the ghettos of America is smart, but they don't have no exit plan. You can't go nowhere. I know that the dudes two blocks from me is trying to kill me. But I ain't supposed to have a strap on me. I can't protect myself. Everybody else can protect themselves. But I can't.

I don't know how to go to get a gun license. I don't know that I can get a gun license. I don't know. And it's like sometimes we be inheriting. You inherit beef that ain't got how to go to get a gun license. I don't know that I can get a gun license. I don't know. And it's like, and then sometimes we be inheriting, you inherit beef that ain't got nothing to do. You got beef based upon where you was born at. This shit ain't got nothing to do with you. Right.

And you don't even dig that. You got a beef because the one OG from that block, fuck this dude OG from that block, baby mom, and they been warring ever since. You don't even know you just know I gotta kill them, I gotta hate them because somebody told, it was marketed to me that somebody told me I gotta hate them.

Think about that shit. It's deep. Now what officially was you sentenced to? A total of a total, first I got six and a half to 25, my 13 and a half to 27. 19 and a half to 52. six and a half to 25, my 13 and a half to 27, 19 and a half to 52.

Six and a half to 25? Six and a half to 25. Break that down for people. You had to do six and a half years minimum or 25 years max. In Pennsylvania, you do a day for a day. It ain't no, like, it ain't no, like, what's that, good timer? It ain't none of that shit. So if you got six years, you're doing six.

Right. But your time to get out of jail is really the 25th. You got to go to a parole board and beg for mercy. Right. Basically, like, I got my life together. I'm a different person. You know, you got to go to a parole board. So I had a total of 1,952 years for two armed robberies, two firearm violations.

Okay. All right. So it was violence because of armed robbery. Yeah, it's... Fuck, you got a slammer. That's armed... Even though you ain't got to shoot,

people think a violent crime is you shooting or doing something to somebody. Once you pull that thing out, it's over. Wow. So you wound up doing 20 years. And this is 20 years straight?

No, I did five. I was out for a couple months, went back, did 15. Okay, so you violated when you came out for those four months? What did you do? I caught another case. That's how I got the other case. I got busy.

I'm expecting you to say I slipped up. I got busy. That's one thing. Another thing about you is you- I'm accountable for my shit. Because if you're not accountable, how are you going to grow from this shit? Because now you're lying to yourself. You see what I'm saying? I'm accountable for my shit. Yeah, you... Because if you're not accountable, how you going to grow from this shit? Because now you're lying to yourself.

Right. You see what I'm saying? I did that. I was on some goofy shit. So when I go back, I do the 15. I said, oh, no. What?

Then you remember yourself. 15 straight. Oh, no. Oh, oh. I'm in there like, oh, no. Oh, oh, no. It was different.

Right, right. I had to do that. Yeah, 15 straight. 15 straight. Yeah, man. And you were younger because I keep seeing you. Yeah, man. You keep talking about my mustache. Yeah. And you were younger. Because I keep seeing your mustache. Yeah, man.

You keep talking about my mustache. Come on, man. You have to be rehearsing. Come on, man. You got that bullshit. You got that Beijing in your jaw. I think that's a Beijing mustache, too, nigga. But how young was you when you started at 15?

I forget. I did the five. I came back at 15. I was in, like, early 20s. Real early, like 21. So the rap career, nothing could keep you away from this? No, man.

I was better. I was the best. I was probably the hottest rapper in Philly history. I just, you know, hotter than all the niggas, man. Gil, Beans, Meek, Black Thought,

Fresh Prince. I was hot. EST, Tuck Proof, State, for all of them, State 5. I was hot EST Tuck Proof State Beat All of them State Proof

I was hot The Youngsters Philly's Most Wanted And Roscoe Pico I was hot Like a lot of them boys man But you know You know how the boys be saying

Yeah I could've I could've been better than Michael Jordan I just I messed my knee up That's me I'm one of them boys Like Oh my god

Oh my god Give us flowers for us Oh yo man Listen that's right You've been on our show before Our show That's me. I'm one of them boys. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Ready for that. Ready for a great time. Give us flowers first. Oh, yo, man, listen. That's right. You've been on our show before. Our show is about giving people their flowers, man. I'm so proud of you, man.

Thank you, my brother. You know, seeing you come home from a very unfortunate situation and making not only the best of it, you make it. You know what I mean? You really went from the streets to the penthouse. Man, I really appreciate it. And I love the fact how you and Gilly be joking on each other. We're going to get

straight into that, but before we do that, we want to get into your ball. Oh, and I got the briefcase now. I made it, baby. I made it. So, one of the other beautiful things about you and Jillian is I feel like that's how

y'all got a relationship like me and my nephew, but we don't do it on video. You know what I mean? We're off camera. But you guys really cut deep. Y'all remind me of two Queens and Harlem people. Queens and Harlem people don't know how to joke. They're terrible jokers.

They're really cut deep. But if you're from Queens, you understand that language. Even with Jim Jones and Cameron right now, you know the only people not panicking is people from Harlem. That's the way they kind of like...

It's every other borough that's sitting around. But that reminds me of you and Gilly. It's like, y'all really, really like, what did he say that your name was when you was in jail? He said a bunch of names. Because I think I told Gil about a bunch of jail shit, and he just loved jail stories. So this is what he do. So he went into people that I was in jail with And he get they numbers

And he just call them To talk about jail shit For no reason I'm like cuz Why the fuck Y'all was talking to your celly man You ain't tell me about the time When y'all was in the yard

And the bull Sucker punched the bull And you was ready to run And they had nothing to do with you I said what the fuck Jay tell you all that shit He just a loser He want to talk about jail shit

Bad And just get all his data About meanly shit. So, you know. But what did you ask me? No, I just love the fact that, like, y'all call each other all types of names. Yeah. Y'all go at each other.

And there's no love lost. Like, it's just like. But, I mean, y'all really go at each other, though. But everybody do that around the way. Yes. You're correct. Like, bro, everybody do that. Yeah. It's just that y'all really go at each other. Everybody do that around the way. Yes. Like, bro, everybody do that. It's just that y'all just seeing this,

because like, we just clash, because he always want to go against. If I say green, he going to say red. You know, I read somewhere that they said friends who argue with each other. Right. I've seen that. Like, go at each other, live a long relationship.

Okay, well, we like to. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all going to live a long relationship. Yeah. So, we play a game on our show. It's called Quick Time or Slime. You drinking? No, I'm not drinking.

So, Sonny, come in here and be a ringer for the... Sonny D ain't see a drink he ain't like. No, Sonny D ain't see a drink he ain't like. We need for two. It's both of y'all. Okay, yeah, yeah. You got somebody from Philly you want to? Why you whispering like there's no cameras on?

They ain't trying to drink. Ain't nobody trying to drink. Yeah, that was the weirdest shit in the world. This nigga whispering like the camera ain't right there, my dude. What the fuck? This is my partner right here. Fear of pure rata. Come on, drink.

He look like he don't drink. You don't drink. No, he don't drink. Don't give a fuck. I see you got that pure on. Yes, right. This is my partner right here. Come on, drink. He look like he don't drink. You don't drink. No, he don't drink. Don't get... I see you got that pure on. Yes, right. This is my partner right here. Yes, sir.

Don't get sauce down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody don't get sauce down. So you want to explain the rules? Did we play this game last time? Yeah, I don't think we... How do you do this? I don't think when we came...

We'll ask you two questions. You pick one and we don't drink. But if you don't pick one So you say neither Or both We all Well you're not drinking But we drinking

He's dangerous Yes Sonny Sonny ain't see a drink He ain't like Sonny ain't see no He is Yo Sonny don't play

I mean Sonny don't play And you can go in on Why you answer in a certain way Okay I'll wait for you. All right. Are you ready?

This shit is scary. Oh, got it. Tell him to mix you a shower. Can he mix it with a drink? It got to be... What you drinking? I'm going to drink a bottle of water with you. You can get whatever you want.

I don't think I got enough water for you, buddy. Because you know you can mix that with a drink. You can do... You want to do vodka? So I'll give you your own bottle. He can drink a bottle you can mix that with a drink. You want to do vodka? So I'll give you your own bottle. He can drink a bottle right now. Sonny. You want to do vodka?

Sonny ain't no joke. A pit bull? You want Bacardi? Not Bacardi. I got one, too. Here, take the Tito's. Tito's. I got Bacardi.

Oh, that's what you got? Yeah. You got right here, Tito's. We good, we good. Hey, you got the Tito's. Now we good, Jamie. We good. All out start.

Ready? This move, Sonny, is dangerous. All right. Okay, you ready we good. All out start. Ready? This move, Sonny, is dangerous. All right. Okay, you ready? I got the diverse one. Go ahead, go ahead. I'm pure as a chaser. That's fine.

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If you pick one, we're not drinking, but if you say both, then both. Alright, y'all drink. But don't do it on purpose. I'm not. They both. I can't. No, no, no.

I agree with you. I agree with you. You said no shot? Yeah. Do not do that. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do a smaller shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't do that. No, get a glass. What y'all doing? No, don't get him drinking. Don't get him drinking. All right, drink. All right, drink it.

Drink it, but the next one, make a smaller shot for yourself. That shit must be strong. My bad. All right, I got this one. a smaller shot for yourself. That shit must be strong. My bad. I got this one. Good. Tupac or Eazy-E? Damn, both of them was my guy.

Both. Yeah, I love this. Oh, Noy, where you at? What you doing, Noy?

No, no, I ain't drinking. Sonny's drinking for him. He's my designated drinker. Okay. All right. I'm more expecting you.

You know what? You want a drink? I love that. You know what? I said, you know what? I said, you know what? I'm going to join him on that. Y'all asking some crazy questions.

You got to understand. Easy came with Roofless. Here you go. Easy came with Roofless. Easy changed the game. Easy changed the game. Parker changed it. You can't, you know what I mean?

So I got to get easy as props. Yes. Yeah. Rap Radar or Joe Bunn? Podcast. Rap Radar or the Joen? Podcast Rap Radar Or the Joe Bunn podcast Both of them

I mess with both I mess with everybody You can't leave I didn't have enough You can't leave me down in the mouth And Joe Both of them All of them is great

I agree with you I forgot to say Rap Radar too Have Elliot ever hated on you? No Elliot cool Elliot ain't no He never hated Y'all taking shots?

You kidding me? Right off the bat Oh shit Y'all taking shots? You kidding me? Right off the bat. Oh, shit. Y'all acting some crazy joints. Major figures of state property. Both. Philly. Both, baby.

I should have just said Philly or Philly. Both. Y'all played. Y'all were waiting to get you. Y'all were getting sauced up. All right, fill him up. Fill him up. Sonny, fill him up.

I'm going to be the one that's fucked up on this one by myself. Are you taking shots too? I forgot. Okay. Oh, you got this one. Okay, my bad. I'm going to be the one that's fucked up on this one by myself. Are you taking shots too? I forgot. Okay, you got this one. Okay, my bad. I don't even... I grabbed four glasses now. Both.

Come on. You really going to say both for everything? I like both of them though. That's what I'm going to say. I ain't... Go ahead, buddy. We're seeing you. They didn't know it.

Vicious. No, we're watching you. He said, Hold your flowers His son here His son got it His son gonna take Kane Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane God damn

Damn Did I take I don't know about that You look like you had Three cuts of your eyebrow No no You look like you had Alright so listen

Okay I'm gonna just tell this story Big Daddy Kane Was mad at me one day Big Daddy Kane Is it a true story Listen A legend

He coming through the airport, right? It's early in the morning. We're in L.A. So we ready to get on this donkey donuts. Gil, we ready to get some tea. Kane got a mask on. He walking down all the time. I go in fan mode.

Kane! What's up? Like, I drawed on him. He was not trying to be noticed. He like, Gil just told us. He like, I'm like, Kane! What's up? to be noticed. He like, Gil just told us, he like, I'm like, Kane, what's up? Oh, shit. Come on, Gil, come here.

This is Kane. Because, you know, Gil said I'm the biggest back in the day groupie of all rappers. I'm just this, I love all back in the day for no reason. That's the shit to me. So I'm like, damn, Kane, what's up? So y'all better go ahead and drink again. Kane in. Kane in.

What's next? So you went with Kane? I'm going with both of them. Oh, you went with both. But he gave us a Kane story. I had to give y'all the go ahead and drink again. Kane in. Kane in with Snake. So you went with Kane? I'm going with both of them. Oh, you went with both. But he gave us a Kane story. I had to give y'all the Kane story, man. Kane was pissed. Bruce Leroy.

Where'd you go with this? Or Bruce Lee. Nigga, listen. You, listen. I killed that? No, no, no, no. Fuck that. Fuck that.

Fuck that. I just made this one up. I got to pick one on this one. I'm telling you why I'm picking one. Do you know Bruce Leroy told me that I'm Bruce Leroy Jr.? I seen that. I seen that. Bruce Leroy.

I seen that. That's the Aaron Brandes album. That was in Queens, right? He a bad motherfucker, man. Bruce Leroy. He still look good in two bars. He's a bad boy. He's a bad boy.

He had his S-curl still popping. He's a bad boy. I had to. I'm sorry, Bruce Lee. I had to. But Bruce Leroy'm sorry, Bruce Lee. I had to. But Bruce Lee, where he would have picked Bruce Lee? I don't got nothing to do with that.

He was part of mine. That's a good point. You know what I mean? That's a good point. All right. Petey Cracker, Meek Mill. Both of them, Philly. Okay, drink up.

Hey, bingo. Drink that beer. I love Philly. I love Philly, though. He can't do that. Biggie or Big L? Big L was Big L was a beast.

I'm going to say this. Big L was better than a lot of niggas in New York. If he would have ended up signing with The Rock Y'all go ahead. Drink again. Both. When I think you're going to say one he's like no but it's both. He was a barbarian man. Man, when I think you're going to say one, he's like, no, no, but it's both. He was a barbarian, man.

Yes. If he didn't go, it was over. Hold on. Let me get my drink. They just drunk a bottle messing with me. Damn, bro. I'm sorry. Black Thought or Nas?

Black Thought or Nas? I like this. That's a good one. And that's- I'm going with both. Come on. I thought you were going to go Philly. I would, but no, man.

They both barbarians. They are. Yeah, you got the rest. I'm just going to be drinking. I should just start going like this. Oh, I forgot you're drinking too fast. Here, my bad. Okay.

Yeah, he said both. Yeah, I said both. Yeah. No, I think he truly believes in both. I'm going on Black Toast and motherfucking Animal. Yeah. No, I think he truly believes in both. I'm going, no, Black Thought's a motherfucking animal. Yeah. And Nas is animal.

Nas is animal. Nas is animal. All right, Eve or Missy? All right, come on. Let me just pour up already. They both legends, man. I got to go with both of them. They're legends.

Hee-hee-hee-hee-ha-hee. Eve's a legend. Yeah. Missy's a legend. Oh, man. You get me now. You big boy, y'all can handle it.

All right. Y'all coming with joints that's too like... Combat Jack or Techstone? Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace to Combat Jack. Listen. Rest in peace.

Combat Jack. Both. Yes, and... Yep, yep. Shout out to my man, Tech. Yeah, Jack. Listen. Rest in peace. Calm back, Jack. Boom. Yes, and... Yep, yep. Shout out to my man, Tex. Yeah, boom. Y'all shouldn't have done this. Yeah. These motherfuckers wrote that shit.

Yeah, look, look. It's just burning. It's just burning. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. That Tito's looking hot. No, it's cold. It's cold. All right.

Okay. Sunny right here. Sunny. I got to, man. I got to be. That Tito's look hot. No, it's cold. It's cold. All right. It's cold. Okay. Sunny right there. Sunny. I got to, man. I got to be real. Yeah. Right? You always love.

Lil Uzi or Lil Dirk? Both of them. Should I just, should we just say how many we got? We just say both drink all the shots? Come on, y'all. No, no, no. The last one he's going to pick. I got to start pouring mini shots.

I'll do it. All right. Gino's or Pat's cheesesteak? I'm going to say something, right? Okay. In the hood, we never ate them because they don't chop their stuff up. We eat the joints in the hood. we never ate them because they don't chop their stuff up. We eat the joints in the hood.

So you want me to switch it up? Food chasers? No, no, no. Let me say this. Okay. All right, let me say the names.

Shout out the ones you eat. Let me say the names and I can switch this up. Yeah. Taste cheesecakes. Ah. And you say what?

Food chasers? No, I was going to change it up. No, you change it. And you say what? Food chases? I was going to change it up. No, you change it. I got it. I'm going to say taste cheese steak. Food chases. Escarambles. Pretty girls cook.

Country cooking. Salty. Eskimo's Pretty Girls Cook Country Cookin' Saudi I'm missing somebody Juice Bob B What's the name With the glasses That cook it up DJ Boo Joint She gon' kill me.

I think you're talking about... Everybody... Is that a pretty good one? Yeah, I see it. Everybody in Philly. All of them. So y'all got to drink it all. All right. Damn!

He said both times three. So I'm going to give you one more. So Food Chasers or Beans Food Truck? Y'all got to drink them both. Jeez, okay. Take another one, God damn. The one time I wish I was drinking. Key Boom. I meant to say Key. Both. Jeez, okay. Take another one, God damn. The one time I wish I was drinking.

Key Boom. I meant to say Key Boom. Key Boom, yeah. This is aged, my Moana. Oh, yeah? This is terrible. Oh, and Kings and Queens. Kings and Queens.

Kings and Queens, too. So, Eskimo Bubbles don't make the list? Eskimo Bubbles, yeah. That's like Hollywood cheesesteak? Yeah, but they do their thing, too, but it tastes cheese. We've been there. Yeah, they got my picture in the wall. Yeah, that's why you trying to throw it out there. Yeah. Eskimo bubbles, yeah. That's like Hollywood cheesesteak? Yeah, but they do their thing too, but it tastes cheese. Yeah, they got my picture in the wall. Yeah, that's why you're trying to throw it out there.

Eskimo chicken cheesesteaks. How you know? Yeah, I'm a chicken cheesesteak. I don't do red meat. Yeah, okay. Has y'all fucked up with Fat Boys, nothing? What'd you got, Fat Boys times nobody? Oh, Fat Boys or Beastie Boys?

Both. Come on, man. Damn, man. I loveie Boys? Both. Come on, man. Damn, look at that. I love hip-hop. You got an opinion, man. You got an opinion. I love hip-hop. E-L-E. Everybody love everybody.

Y'all don't remember what happened with me, bro? Go ahead. Damn, man. I didn't mean to do this, man. Rocky III or Creed III? Creed III. Yeah, right. Michael, you know, Michael B. Joe, and that's my guy.

I'm just going to show him. Rocky, he inspired us all. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is your speech for both. Both. Cheers, fellas. Cheers, cheers. Y'all got to stay here and be drunk with me. Look, we just opened this. Oh, look. Cheers, cheers. Y'all got to stay here and be drunk with me. Look, we just opened this.

Oh, look. God. Yes. Chase it. Chase it. Scarface or Ice Cube? Both. Let's go.

Both. Legends. I'm going to say both. Legends. All right. Y'all ain't give me nothing. Y'all ain't give me nothing. Y'all got any stories

with these people, though? Ice Cube. Y'all interviewed Ice Cube. Cube. Cube. You know what? Let me tell'all interviewed Ice Cube. Cube, Cube. You know what? Let me tell you something about Ice Cube. Cube's a hater, and I'm going to tell you why Cube's a hater.

All right. Cube hated on me. So the big three comes. So we go to play in the big three. Every year, Gil get the MVP. So we in the locker room, and we getting ready. I'm like, yeah, we going to go there. We going to kill him.

Cube, we got him this time. He said, Wallo, this is what I need you to do. He said, what on? He doesn't. Where you going? Come here, man. him this time. He said, Wallo, this is what I need you to do. He said, where are you going? Come here, man. Listen. Listen, he's trying to get out of it. He's trying to get out of it.

Make sure somebody watch, sonny. You ready to throw up. So Q, so we're in the locker room. We all getting ready for the game. Just then through. I said, listen, man, we're going to do this. I'm starting this. He said, Wallo, this is what you're going to do.

Gil, you're going to do this. He's telling everybody what to Waller This is what you gonna do Gil you gonna do this He tell anybody what to do This is Cube telling you guys Anthony Edwards on the team Me I mean Anthony Anderson Okay

Me Gil It was a bunch of people But whatever He said Waller He tell anybody what to do He said Waller This is what I need you to do

I need you To just sit on the bench And just chill And hype the team up You fucking hate it You just hate it No because I ain't gonna lie No I got

I got four points in that game I'm gonna be honest Four points? Yeah of course I think you've been riding the coach I realize that you might be trash A little bit Like a little bit

Not a lot You ain't seen that You ain't seen my joint You ain't seen that bitch I slammed her And you think that kind of show The video on the man nice Ain't really nice

No no No it's a lot of people That be hating on me Kevin Durant See that bitch on Slam Dunk? And you think that kind of show in the video, the man nice, ain't really nice. No, no. No, it's a lot of people that be hating on me. Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant hated on my game. Dame Lillard. Stack. All them dudes.

Matt Bourne. I cooked Mark Bourne's one time. You ain't see what I did to Donovan Mitchell. You ain't see me work him out. I cooked. I barbecued you. Get him. But go ahead.

Okay, that's the next one. Oh, man. Nipsey or Young Dolph? Rest in peace, everybody. Okay. But go ahead. Okay, that's the next one. Oh, man. Nipsey or Young Dolph? Rest in peace, everybody. Dolph! Okay, yeah. Y'all just... Nah, y'all nothing, bro. Just relax, man.

Now, go ahead and... Y'all have a bad night, man, fucking with me. No. He doesn't understand. You're enjoying this, too. That's crazy. Not really. Nah, you don't need that.

I'm sorry, man. You don't need the fuck. Sorry, Dion, you lucky I ain't called you. Y'all drink, y'all drink? Go ahead. Y'all lucky, man. You didn't take your drink. bro. You don't need to fuck. Sorry, Dion, you lucky I ain't cold. Y'all drink, y'all drink. Go ahead. Y'all lucky, man. You didn't take your drink. You should have sent your son.

No, we did take the drink. You just refilled it. You took your drink. You should have sent your son, man. Cold or acrobatics? Both. Go ahead. Both again?

They're my neps. Yeah, bro. I got to get more cups of that shit. They're my neps, though. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Last time I see him, he beat me for $1,000, man. Clean me out.

Y'all got your next one ready? Because it's back to back. Oh, see, he already know. UGK or OutKast? I got a pocket full of stones. Both. Both. All right.

Both. All right. It's beginning to look a lot like Follow My Every Step. Take notes. Yeah, both. You know I'm a hip-hop historian. Why is y'all asking me this shit?

Okay, because we try to get them drunk. They going to be fucked up. I'm sorry, Rob. Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock? Both. Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. We're not done yet, Sonny.

Wait a minute. No, no. That's the last one. Y'all got to drink that shit. What do you mean that's the last one? They already took their joint. They did? Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay. My bad, my bad. Just making sure I'm not alone in this. I can hear y'all. I'm like, we got a relationship with one. What do you mean a relationship with one? Listen, listen. Listen, I'm going to say this. We got a relationship with what? We got a relationship with what? Listen.

Listen. Listen, I'm going to say this. Yeah, he letting our liver breathe. Dave gave me a million dollars worth of game one time. Was he smoking cigarettes? Of course he was. I'm in the dressing room with Dave, right? Me and Gil, we in there.

I'm talking about we tripping. We talking about all the time. I told Gil, Gil, like, Dave, like, Gil, you got a hell of a game. I said, yeah, that's it. He said, okay, that's it. He said, and one. He called Gil. He said, and one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I said, it's that nose shit. He said, all right, whatever. But whatever. Gil be amped up. Ah, the white shit. Powder man. But whatever the case may be. That white shit. Dave said, Dave said, Dave said, listen, Dave white shit. Powder man. But whatever the case may be. That white shit.

Dave said, Dave said, Dave said, listen, Dave did, listen. Dave said, wow, I was trying to figure it out. I had all this money. They kept paying me for shows and all this. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't make it happen. And I kept looking for something. And that's how he came up with Dave Chappelle. He read a fortune cookie that said, everything you need, you already got in your kitchen.

He said something like, the best meal you'll ever cook, all the ingredients is already in your kitchen. And he just started shooting the Chappelle show because he was like, I already had the people I needed right there. I keep looking for all this other shit. My guys that I deal with is already there. Ashley Larry, rest in peace to Charlie Murphy, the whole team. But both.

Because I love Pookie. We drank already. I thought we drank that one already. Pookie was a motherfucker. Man, y'all fucking me up. Pookie was a legend. That was a great story, though. I love it.

Yeah, I like that. Thank you, thank you. ODB or Biz Marquis? Rest in peace to two legends. Rest in peace. But both. I'm talking about one thing about ODB. When he came out, man.

Cheers. First of all, Legendary Songs. Nobody beats the biz and the vapors was classic. Um, I'm talking about one thing about ODB when he came out, man. First of all, legendary songs. Nobody beats the biz and the vapors was classic. Can you feel it? Nothing could save you. And this is the season for catching the vapors. Biz was just, Biz knew he was that guy. Biz changed the game.

Biz knew he was that guy and ODB didn't give a fuck. Right. You see what I'm saying? When that Brooklyn Zoo came out, Brooklyn Zoo, He got the He got the welfare ID on the tape It was just legendary Both Alright both Yeah we knew it was both

We just want you to explain some stuff NWA or public enemy I mean that I wouldn't Listen I'm going to tell you some real shit If you don't say both I'm throwing the bottle at you

I'm going to tell you some real shit There's no bullshit I'm at I'm at this tell you some real shit. There's no bullshit. I'm at this City of Angels. Everybody in there, all the CEOs. No, no, no, no. I think it's called City of Angels. They're giving someone a Leo.

It's not a Leo thing. He was there. Listen, you was there, Noyan. All right, my bad. Listen, listen, you was there. My bad. The dopest hip-hop shit ever happened to me. Because, like, y'all better not mention

DJ Premier because I'm beefing with him. I'm going to tell y'all about that shit. Beefing with Premier? Yeah, I'm going to tell you why. Nobody beats him. I'm going to tell you why.

He did some shit that I ain't like. So listen. We got Premier's back. So listen. Hold up, hold up. So we in the joint, right? So they giving Leo

and them stuff, everybody in there. So I'm sitting there. I'm like this. I got the suit on, chilling. I look over, they go, Chuck D.

Chuck, she did one of these drones. I was done. This Chuck. This Uncle Chuck. This public enemy number one. Do you have on a Pittsburgh hat? No, I think he had some jeans on. He keep a pair of jeans with some Levi's.

But I don't know. I'm just like, oh, shit. This dude know who I am? It was just a legendary moment for both. He tweeted about drink chants. I framed it. Yo, you know how legendary that is? Yeah. Younger kids probably like, damn, they tripping out.

Chuck D? This dude, he spoke truth to power. He was a legend in NWA. He's an anvil. I figured out what he's doing. He said, I'm going to make sure Sonny never drink again and the big homies I get...

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, this is going to be Sonny Reed. I'm fucking up and putting too much in there. Schoolie D or Ice-T?

Ooh. Ooh. Let me tell you something. Let's see how deep he goes. Listen, Ice-T said, listen, listen, listen, listen, hold on.

You know, Schoolie said, looking at my Gucci's, it's about that time. He said, but nothing is like Saturday night. It was a Saturday night. I was feeling kind of sporty. Went to the ball. But Ice said, this is what Ice said. This is what Ice said.

Ice said, Ice said this, and this was so crazy. Ice said, speed of life, fast. It's like walking barefoot over broken glass. It's like jumping rope on a razor blade. All lightning quick. Decisions are made. Lifestyle. Ice was so cold, right?

I ain't going to lie. When I was young, I wanted to be ice. I used to wrap ice in a mirror like, damn, this boy ice. And then when he killed the New Jack Hustler, New Jack, New Jack, New Jack Hustler. And then when he said, I got a bitch with hair, a bitch with none, a bitch with a knife, a bitch with a gun. I got a bitch with as big as a TV set. And there's a bitch over there. Hey, the one I want to get, but maybe not.

She might not like me, no. No sweat to a vet. I get a sister, though. Word. He said, I. No sweat to a vet. I get a sister, though. Word. He said, I got a bitch with a... He said, he said, he said, he said, I got a bitch with a mink. He said, he said,

I got a bitch with a mink who rocks a fat gold link who like to fuck me with that ass up on the kitchen sink. I got a bitch with hair, a bitch with none, a bitch with a knife, a bitch with a gun. He was cold. And then Schooley was just cold.

Both. And you know there was both real stories too. Did Schooley rob a bank? No, no. Cousy robbed it. That was Cousy. Oh, shit. Emilio Sparks or Oshino? Both.

Philly. Philly. Philly. Was that a loaded question? He's a man. So you managed both of them, that's right. Okay, god damn it. Take a shot then. Emilio Sparks, a young gun. They was killing that joint.

Moving out with shriveled memories of him. Cassidy or Young Chris? Both, Philly. God damn, dog. I'm about to drink my water. No, listen. Make this a clip by itself. Yes.

We got you. This is drink champs at its highest form. This is your drunk top. I'm awake now. Are y'all ready? Now, this is the one. And then you got one more after this. Oh, yes.

Oh, yeah. Will Smith or Kevin Hart? He's going to say both regardless. Both. Okay. That's easy, man. This is the last one we're going to get back is the interview.

Loyalty or respect? We got to drink, though. No, no, relax. Chill. Everybody drink? Let's stay true to this game. Sonny, I'm going to get you out of the drinking game, Sonny. Yeah, I know.

I know what you're trying to do Cheers fellas Sonny won't stop I love this This is the last one Wait wait wait Loyalty or respect Well that's the right answer too

That's the only time you say you should say both I don't know why people don't say both all the time Right for that For that question right Okay so okay y'all brothers That's the only time we say you should say both. Yeah. I don't know why people don't say both all the time. Right. For that question, right? Okay. So, okay, y'all brothers, I can go back to it. Thank y'all, brothers. Go in again.

Go in and go to the bathroom. You had to stand up and get drunk. Sonny right here might be spinning. Yeah, yeah. Sonny's like, they spinning. 28 shots. That's a record. Let's make some noise for them, goddamn it.

Hey, we're going toalled for that you didn't drink in this episode. Now me and you got something else. We got something else in common that is not popular. Only difference between me and you that is not popular that we both kind of do is I don't do it with my

hometown team. But I have been known to be a bandwagon fan. A sports? Because we've looked at your previous Instagrams, and you haven't been rocking the Philadelphia Eagles. Joints, right? Let me finish.

But this is what I want to ask you. But we've seen that once the Eagles got hot, you jumped on board. Yeah, that's my team. I'm from Philly. We've seen you with, what's my man's name? Say go on. Mahomes? We've seen you with the Chiefs jersey on.

I believe you walked through and someone checked you. Someone checked you. They're like, you're an Eagles fan now? Okay. Was that what we asked? I got it from there. But let me ask you now. Listen. The president has just issued the Eagles an invitation to come see them at the White House.

They said nope. This is a two-part question. One, do you think the Eagles should go? And two, if the Eagles do go, are you bandwagoning famine in the White the Eagles do go Are you bandwagoning famine In the White House What do you mean bandwagoning Cause you know I'm sure Gilly will go with the team

To the White House I'm going to say this The first question is Is the Eagles my team Like why I'm a bandwagoner or what Are you a bandwagoner is the first question No no why I'm a bandwagoner or what? No, no, no. Are you a bandwagoner is the first question. No, we know you're a bandwagoner. It's a different movement. No, no, no. I'm a bandwagoner too. It's okay.

It's not bad in my book. He said, yeah. It's not bad in my book, but do you think the Eagles should accept Trump's imitation first? I don't know. I heard they did. They did. No, I heard they did. They accepted it.

I think that's outside I heard they did. No, I heard they did. They accepted it. They accepted it. I think that's outside of my pay grade. I don't care what nobody do. But so, Gilly is packing up to go with the Eagles to the White House. Do you hop in the car with Gilly and tag along? I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I don't even know nothing about that.

So, I wouldn't even. We'd be somewhere recording a podcast. I don't know. Oh, you're going to record a podcast. No to say this I don't even know Nothing about that So I wouldn't even We be somewhere Recording a podcast I don't know No but you have a choice To go to the White House Are you going No comments on that I don't know

I can't You don't say both Take a shot I don't know Because they not letting the team They not letting people You not just going with No I believe It ain't sweet like that No I believe You You not just going with it No No I believe

It ain't sweet like that No I believe You can't just go Yeah no no no I believe there's certain people Like the team gets like A guest

Like you can bring your moms You can bring And I believe I believe Gilly was that much good To me As an outsider Gilly's a player

Nah yeah he's definitely I feel like he's Like a player A franchise Like I even I even know the dance. I don't, I've been blowing the whistle.

I'm like, I'm a fan. Gilly helped him win. He helped him win. That's how ill and good, you know, like,

I think me and you talked about the episode that didn't come out, like how ill he is as a fan. I'm going to say this. Okay. And I'm going to just say this about another topic

about me being a fan. Okay. So Saquon tell me in the locker room, right? He said, oh, you a fan now? You with us now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you had the Chiefs jersey on. I'm like, you my favorite player.

No, I didn't have no Chiefs jersey on. I had an Eagles jersey on. No, no, I was talking about back then. I'm in the locker room. So I'm like, damn, you my favorite player. He like, now you with us in the third. So we get ready for the parade. So he walk up on me.

He see laughing into that third. I said, guess what, man? So it was me, him, and I think Slade was there. Somebody was there. No, somebody was there. So he like, damn, Waller, you just crazy. I said, no, we both crazy. I said, you don't think it's we got something in common?

He said, what? We both traded teams this year. How you going to judge me? You traded too, nigga. How you going to judge me? You traded too, nigga. How you going to judge me? We traded. You traded too. I'm like, damn, baby.

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I said, Nori, when did you put your book out? I'm signed to Shaman and Shemusha. You're bullshitting with the book. I'm finishing it next weekend. I got the God's Flight. I'm finishing it next weekend. Anything you need me on, let me know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll finish it it next weekend. What are you talking about? I got the God's Flight. I'm finishing it next weekend. My man's called me. Anything you need me on, let me know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll finish it mine next weekend. Listen, when you do do it, you got to do a book tour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to go to Lip Bar in the Bronx. You got to go to Uncle Bobby's in Philly. You got to go to Baldwin & Co. in New Orleans. You got to go to Malik Books in L.A.

You got to go to Kendrick's in Houston You got to go to all of them Mahogany and DC I'm just saying These bookstores is going to support you Text me them shits They want to support you Books and Books in Miami Now let me ask you

We was just listening to What's his name? Jesse what? Jesse Ilsa right? Who the fuck is that? Well he's like the billionaire guy That he wrote Go New York go New York go

For the Knicks And he has like the biggest sauna company But he said that Sauna company? Yeah yeah yeah Like he'll go and cold plunge He has the biggest shit He's a billionaire type of guy

He used to work for Def Jam He used to be in Def Jam He said that if he had a chance To do it all over He's a billionaire type of guy. He used to work for Def Jam. He used to be in Def Jam. He said that if he had a chance to do it all over, him writing his book, that he would invest more into the digital part. Why am I so loud? Why does that get loud? You got Cuban. You got Cuban on that side.

I don't know because I'm getting emotional. But he said that he would invest more on the digital part of the side. Like he said he would have got a speech coach Because Like an audio book? I said What did I say? No you said digital But I meant audio Yeah so

He said that He sold so much more audio books Because people are not I killed them on audio books You killed them on audio books And you just audio yourself I did my own audio Three days

So let me ask you the question That he proposed If you had a chance to do it all over Would you invest more Of your time In the audio part of it? He did, he said. No, I did, I did.

I said in that month, listen, my manager, Desiree, was like, all right, you got to go down here. She's like, I said,

what do you got to do? That's my old girl from Penalty Records, right? No, no, no, Des right there. That's my man. All right, cool. If you want anything.

So Des was like, listen, Des was like, I got the studio, like real live studio. Yeah, like a recording album. I went in there, they got a nice office chair

You just chilling in And you being there For hours in that booth Reading the book Right And it's Nori you got to do An audio

Simple Right And you take a couple days And we went from Ten to three Huh Ten to four Wait ten in the morning

No no yeah ten in the morning Four o'clock Three days straight Knocked it out It was one of the best Cause And you reading your own handwriting. I mean, you're reading what you're saying.

People love audio books, bro. Right. It's like podcasting. They love it. It's the same thing as podcasting. Yeah, it's the same exact thing. Because it's like they could be in the car- Yeah, I didn't look at it like that.

They could be in the car, and you're just telling your story. And why wouldn't they want to hear the story from you? All right. I'm telling you, it's all there. All right. So you recommend- Yeah, do your audio book. No, you have to do it. You have to. I mean, you have to do both. I believe it's mandatory recommend. You do your audio book. No, you have to do it.

You have to. I mean, you have to do both. I believe it's mandatory. I believe that's in you. No, you don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to? It is, in a sense, mandatory to sell books now.

AI can do my voiceover? No, you don't have to. You don't want AI to do it. Oh, man. How you going to suggest that shit, man? Get out of here. He's sunny drinking. Sunny right fall under the table.

So that's something that experience was great for you. Yeah, it was great. And it's going to be great for you. Okay, and the tour and everything. You came late. You came late. I was there before you. No, because traffic, Miami traffic.

You came late here too. But we done it. That was longer than you came late here. Let me just tell you something. I want to say this. Just so you know. Just so you know. The only reason why I lost ice.

So this is what we have when we come here. Is we bet on what you drinking. So I already knew you wasn't drinking So I figured I'm going to be sobered up Yeah So I'm going to share that sober moment Moment with you But here's what I lost

I still bet that you would be on time Even though you came to the book The trap They locked us in The trap Even though you came to the book signing late Yeah I said I still bet on you.

And you did the laser shit. What'd you do, today? Yeah, I was doing... Okay, now it's time for the talk about the eye. Now let's talk about the ear. Let's talk about it. But that's on me. Now I told my wife, I'm in, I'm in.

I'll do it. Wait, wait, wait. I seen it this morning. What disaster did you get? So what happened is... So what happened? This is what happened. This is what happened.

So it's two type of people Out here You got people like Wallo And you got people like Nori Nori say I'm going to get a toupee And get it braided up Like the YN's Right

That's a piece He got a piece on his head And then they spray it On the side with this They spray it on the side With this You cannot tell me That's not a sprayed mustache this. They sprayed it on the side with this. You cannot tell me that's not a sprayed mustache.

If he drank something and a little water dripped on his face, like, that shit would just drip. Like, that shit, if you go outside, that shit would be like,

now listen. So what happened is, it's called laser, right? Shout out to the Paul of Miami. What happened is, so when I was in the penitentiary, I was like 27. is, it's called laser, right? Shout out to the Paul of Miami. What happened is, so when I was in the penitentiary, I was

like 27. And I always shaved my head since I was like young, teenage. So I'm shaving. One day I didn't shave that much. And I'm like, hold up. Sunroof? A hardtop turning into sunroof? I'm looking in the mirror like... George Jefferson early? Oh, it wasn't George yet. Okay, it wasn't George. It was a pregame. It was a pregame.

So I'm like, oh, that shit getting light. And I was like, damn, I got to get rid of this joint. So now, then when I got home, I got the whole George. It get nasty on the side. Like the whole, that shit get dark. It get dark. You know what I mean? It get dark.

Like DMX, it get dark. So I'm like, damn. So I'm looking on the line. I'm like, I got to get this. So I tell Des, I'm like, Des, I got to find me a joint. So she's like, all right, help me find it. So we found her. I came down to Miami.

She's like one of the best people to do it. And what they do is laser removal. They just kill the follicles from growing. So now everything look clear. You know what I mean? Like right now, I had to put you. It was one session? No.

You do a lot of sessions. It's about like, you do about like, what is it, eight for 600? Like eight sessions for 600 is worth it because it clean all your hair up, but it shocks. You got to put numbing cream on it. That shit ain't no joke. You put numbing cream on it an hour before a shake.

But I'm telling you. Like Novocaine? Yeah, it'd be clean though. So your head be like Novocaine? Yeah, it's permanent. You just keep going touch-ups. So he wants to do it Novocaine. Yeah. It's permanent. You just keep going. Touch up. Sonny wants to do it on his back.

Oh, she'll do it on your back? Are you in Miami? She'll do it on your back? Wait, wait, wait. What on the back? She can take hair, whatever. Oh, yeah. I got that.

I got that. I got that, yo. Listen, Sonny's back hair is crazy. Sonny wants to go. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. So let's talk about Pure.

Before we talk about Pure. One thing I'm very proud of y'all. Hold on, let me start before a second, man, because I know we've been playing around and all this, but one thing for sure, two things for certain, I seen Division with Gil. I told him, yo, go out there and do this shit on your

own. I felt like, you know, It's documented. It's documented. He always said, but I'm so proud of y'all. You know what I'm saying? Because it's one thing of telling somebody,

yo, listen, you got it. And then there's a whole other thing when a person says, I'm going to listen and I'm going to apply it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I big up to Mav Hoffa too. Like, Mav Hoffa came to me

and I told him, I said, go. And Mav Hoffa listened to me so much. I was like, oh shit. Like, if he fuck up up I'd be feeling like It's my fuck up too You know what I'm saying Because

Because Like he He actually Shout out to Matt Y'all Y'all actually listen And like you said You were saying earlier

You explained it Y'all Like I was selling Purple tops Joe Buttons Was selling orange tops That thing just came With yellow tops

It was like no Everybody had their own corner Like no one was stepping on each other's toes But let me get back to my point I'm trying to make Is I seen Gil the other day I think it was your garage And he was showing your Porsche Showing your other car

I believe it was a Ferrari I'm not sure A Porsche Two Porsches Two of them right Two Porsches okay And then he looks at the wall, and he's showing all the logos. That's something that y'all have been able to do.

You even built it. I really want to. So before we get into Pure, I want to get into the business models, what y'all did to establish that. No, you know what? One thing about me and Gil, we realized that everything don't last forever. Right. So once you get some paper, you got to flip paper. It's just like the street game. It's like, you remember back in the day

when you seen a street hustler, he'd get that stuff, he'd get the corner store, he'd get the laundry man, he got the barbershop, he got the hair salon. We didn't know nothing to go bigger business. We didn't understand that we could own a beverage. We didn't know that we could start an entertainment company. We didn't know that we could start our own

boxing or boxing league. Fire, by the way. We didn't know that we could start our own boxing, a boxing league. Fire, by the way. Fire. So we didn't know that we could start our own wellness brand. Right. We didn't know that we could have Gilly Sports Network. We didn't know we could have clothing line airplanes or hotels. We didn't know none of that.

So our whole thing is like, oh, when you see that big hat, now I can buy a big hat, Gil own that. He own part of that company. So we don't, you don't, Gil got, Gilly grows. Oh, so he ain't just wearing that hat just to be your own. What? Okay. Oh, that's genius.

You remember what home say? I play for the team I own. Yes. So at the end of the day, it's like, you see people, and we just trying to show people that you got to go out there on it, man. Believe in it. Believe in your own stuff. We got to stop waiting for corporate America to invest in us. We got to invest in us and to let them come on later and cash us out and say, all right, man, that's. Well, let's make some noise for that guy. Now, I got to bring up the time you completely duck wreck.

Oh, we had the 100-mile challenge. No, I was running around. I couldn't do nothing. I'm sorry. I was busy. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. I did duck wreck.

I'm going to get back. That's why I kept feeling me busy at the same time. I ain't going to lie. Q-Deezy. Q-Deezy, the boss. Q-Deezy gave up on you. That's how I knew it was real. It was Philly against New York. Q-Deezy, my man. It was Q-. That's how I knew it was real. It was Philly against New York.

Q-Deezy, my man. It was Q-Deezy. I mean, excuse me. It was Philly against New York. And Q-Deezy called me and was like, man, keep posting when you travel. And I said, why? He said, because Wallo keep using that as an excuse. But I don't know if you know, Wallo.

Listen, look, look, look. Q-Deezy is a competitive motherfucker. You understand? I know We have beef for 10 years So when you jumped into that beef He really depended on you And we were smoking y'all

Every day I can't lie Q-Man pulls the hell to down for us No, no, no He was battling four or five different people You understand? He pulls the hell to down And Q be running all just to run

He like you He just be running to run But alright So here I want to give a commitment on you. We have a show called Healthy High. Alright, go ahead. Healthy High. Healthy High, where I go out with celebrities. I just ran with Brandon Marshall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I was telling him. I was telling him when we spoke, y'all. I'm sorry. You just got to be on my side. He said I gave up on you. I didn't know. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you. Let me tell you the real deal. Let me tell you the real deal. That guy keeps his Nike Run app on the entire day. So he'll be cheating.

He'll be cheating. Yeah, he'll be cheating. Ask Lose. Where's Lose? Where's Lose at? Lose. Where's Lose at? Where's Lose?

Lose. So he keeps his Nike app on all day. Bro. Damn, you be lying to the people. You exposed. He be running. Yo, low, low. He be running.

How you run 30 miles a day? Come here. Damn, Nori. By the way, I love being the one in the joke, but it's not the truth. 30 miles a day. You're lying, bro. Yeah, he's lying. 30 miles a day. You exposed.

All right, so hold on. You're exposed. Let's tell him the truth, QDZ. You called me on the side and said, you chucking Wallo. You said you chucking him off. Come on, tell the truth. You cut him off the team. Come on.

No, no. Wallo cut me off the team. He didn't want me on the team. Wallo, I'm getting serious. Now you bike riding. Yo, now you bike riding with weird outfits on. Yeah. It's my bad.

The money is out of here. But look, look, look. While I got you on the phone, I want a commitment for both of y'all. We got a show called Healthy High. You was in the beginning of it. I want to come to Philly. Pause. I want to pull up in Philly.

And my dream is to run three miles But not the three miles Is to run them Rocky stairs Let's do it The Rocky stairs Let's do it I got to do the Rocky stairs Let's do it Yo I got to do the Rocky stairs

We got a whole city out there We all the runners And I want to have the speakerphone And all I just want to call you Q. This guy crazy. Yes. I'm going to call you brother. Yes.

Now. Now you exposed. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You got the app on all day. You got the app on now. Actually, actually, who, who, we know who actually does that is Mr, no. You got the app on all day. You got the app on now. Actually, actually,

we know who actually does that. It's Mr. Lee. You got the app on. That's his guilty of that. You got the app on. I haven't seen him go like this with the phone. No, no, no, no. He's even like this.

No, no, no, no. I do. I do. I do do that. No, no, no. While I'm working out. But Mr. Lee leaves his shit all day. I don't know how to do that.

I don't know how to do that. You and Diego taught me how to do that. But was that something that you was doing in know how to do that. You and Diego taught me how to do that. But was that something that you was doing in the yard? Was that something that kept you? Yeah, running the yard and just do calisthenics. Because a lot of times, you got so much on your mind, you're trying to run it off.

So you just, you know, it ain't nothing else to do. You're just in there doing time. Right. And that's like the healthiest people is there. Right. Because it ain't like you're eating. You got to stay. You're just in there doing time. And that's like the healthiest people is there. Because you're eating on the schedule. You're eating early. You got to understand, child is like 4 o'clock, about 5 o'clock. So at the night,

so at the dinner, it's a wrap. You might have had something in your cell, but the way the body is programmed, so your body is different. That's why everybody be sleek and lean in the joint. You know what I mean And the weights Some jails got weights Some jails don't They took them out

Damn Because they was Turning into weapons So people thought They said they was Using them as weapons So Alright

You think you were Ever institutionalized Like legitimately I think all of us are When you go to the joint Especially when you've Been in jail In and out your life

You just You get normalized And you normalize The way as though You don't even give a fuck About why you think You be having some homies that don't care about, they don't care if they get

locked up. They just be wilding out. But that's what I'm saying. It seems like you escaped that later on in life. Yeah. I mean, other than sometimes I see you make meals sometime and I be like, damn, that nigga is. I had some of the goodest meals in the joint though. I ain't going front. But I think what he's trying to say is I'm talking about your

mentality. Your mind just never seemed like... You seemed like you were one of those... Like, I remember reading an autobiography of Malcolm X, and Malcolm X saying that he would read certain books and he would be there. Like, you know, I would read Donald Goins. And everywhere Donald Goins... Donald Goins was a legend. Yeah, yeah.

Wherever Donald Goins read, my mind was actually there. That's the thing about the book. Yeah. So, like, you had to project your mind outward to not be. Outside of Yattu to not be in jail. Right. That's all you could do. Right.

Like damn. Because you know a book is like. That's one thing about book and reading is important. Because a book can take you wherever they at. But the thing about it. All of our imaginations is different. So you might read a book. And you might be in another city.

He might read it and be in another city. And they ain't even talking about no city. He might be in New York City. But you picture in other things in your mind. Right. That's the good thing about reading. This is a genius thing Kanye told me.

I don't remember if he told us this, told me this on the podcast, but he told me this in real life. He said that he visited a jail the other day, right? And he said when he visited the jail, all he saw was the run, like RZA And he said when he visited the jail All he saw Was The run

Like RZA But the version that made a mistake I think he did say it on the podcast I think so All he was meeting was The version of Will Smith That made a mistake He was meeting RZA that made a mistake

He was meeting Dr. that made a mistake. He was meeting Dr. Dre's. And I was like, that shit is so realistic. You already know because just think about it. If you think about in New York City when everybody get in them greens, they mind elevate. When you get the calls, the kites back in the day, you're like, damn, read this book, bro. You know what I mean? Peace. Like, everybody mind elevate. You go from nigga to God in the penitentiary.

In the mindset. Pardon me for cutting you off. One dude that I never said his name. One of the smartest people I ever met in my whole life. His name was Sean Lawrence. And I met him at DFY facility. Harlem Valley facility. And what I'm saying, that's one of the smartest people I've ever met

in my whole life I went on to do all this shit so I'm like okay I'm sorry so because what happened is in the joint you got people

that's just like super sharp man like and then you gonna go in there you running some OG's people got libraries in these yo read this son

read this but like you seen you seen everybody you know that went up top, they be more on point. They get their health together. You know what I mean? They come back,

they come back more mature. They come back the ones that really want to do something. And they take advantage of the opportunities when they come back. You see what I'm saying? So, you know,

jail is a place where you got a bunch of time. That's the only place in the world where you got all the time. When you get tired, you can rest. You can't do that in the field. Like it slows things down.

No, no. It ain't just it slows things down. What happened is they got more time than anybody in the world. That's why jail be preserving dudes. You see a dude come out because they ain't got to deal with regular life. They ain't got to deal with responsibilities. Different stress. Yeah.

Out here, when you a man and you got to take care of your family, you can't go to sleep just to go to sleep. You got to go get it. You can't just rest when you want to. You won't get it. Like in a joint, you got to take care of your family, you can't go to sleep just to go to sleep. You got to go get it. You can't just rest when you want to. You want to get it, like, in a joint. You go down. It's a clockwork. You're locking down at 8 o'clock at night. Right.

Like, it's a clockwork. You're getting up full, going to work. It's a clockwork. So it's just different. Because like I said, Kanye said that he saw these different versions of superstars that he knew. But it was a version of them that took the wrong turn, right? But those versions or those people don't get that second chance. What made you have that second chance and say, you know what?

Because I'm sure when you came home, like I don't think Gilly was the littest person in the world at that time. I'm sure it didn't take off for you immediately when you came home. What made you stick to it and what made you like, because a lot of people would have gave up if it didn't take off for you immediately when you came home. What made you stick to it? Because a lot of people would have gave up if it didn't work immediately. I wasn't going back to the joint. I was done. Right.

I was done with that. I wasn't going back to the... I wasn't going back. I wasn't going. I couldn't go back. Right. I had too much. I had too much. I had too much I had to deal with, so I couldn't go back.

My whole thing was like, man, at the end of the day, man, it's too much life out here. And I don't know how much time I got left on this planet. So I can't keep playing games and thinking that this shit is always going to be here for me. So I got to go out here this time because this might be my last shot. And a lot of times, the way I look at life, I look at life like you don't know where you're at in life. At 100% of your life, you don't know where you're at in life. At 100% of your life, you don't know if you're at the 75%. Right. You don't know if you're at the last.

You don't even know. So a lot of times you got to be on the tip like you really got to take advantage. I'm like, I got to take advantage of the rest of this shit. All right. Because I don't know when I'm going to be out of here. Now, there's a famous clip of you being happy to speak to Pinky. Oh, yeah. Pinky was a lizard.

Yeah, she was on our podcast. No, the point star. She was on our podcast. But she's stripper, too. She is? Yeah, she was on our podcast early in the game. Pinky was ate by a girlfriend in prison. Besides the last tryout.

We'll sort of say. Who was somebody that you got to meet since you came home and you was a starstruck? I wanted to meet my favorite artist in the world, Sample. I met himstruck? I wanted to meet my favorite artist in the world, Sample. I met him. And then I wanted to meet Ice. I met Ice T. You got to tell us

your beef with Premier, which I don't understand. Oh, yeah. Beef with Premier. Oh, yeah. You know what my beef with Premier was? I ain't going to front.

It was petty, but it was a real beef. First of all... Real beef for real? Yeah, that shit was beef. It was smoke with me and Premier. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why I was beefing with Premier.

I got over it because, first of all, Gil is not a hip-hop boy. Gil was more basketball. I was more the hip-hop. So I'm a hip-hop historian. I know all this shit from back in the day. Gil don't give a... I've seen that in the pod. And I don't care about that shit, man.

So I don't know what happened. I think I went to go DJ. I was a DM Premier or some shit, some shit, some shit. Oh, he DM Gil, and I looked at the page. I said, Premier, how the fuck you following Gil and ain't following me? This nigga don't know nothing about no fucking. Yeah, that's a beef.

This nigga, I'll be holding Gangstar. I'll be holding Gangstar down. What the fuck is we doing? Rest in peace, Guru. Rest in peace to the legend. But it's like, what the fuck? I'm like, yo, I was pissed about that shit. Like,

anytime I see somebody that he defiled, I'm like, what the fuck did you follow him for? You don't know nothing about no fucking hip hop. You know what I mean?

So, you know, it was cool, but we got over it. Yeah, I really was impressed. So let me ask you, have you never,

never drank? Never in my life. You had a bad experience. I never in my life. Yeah, why? That's great. Because, you you, have you never, never drank? Never in my life. Or you had a bad experience? I never in my life. Yeah, why? That's crazy. Because, you know what? I was seeing some of the homies get high smoking that butt naked and all that type of shit.

You hit the butt naked before? I never hit no butt naked. I never smoked that shit. Okay. Gil got naked one time. I was somewhere. Not for nothing that you cried. I was in the crib, right?

I was in the crib, and they called me, yo, man, come get your cousin. I said, damn, what's up? I go around the corner. This was the craziest shit in the crib, right? I was in the crib, and they called me, yo, man, come get your cousin. I said, damn, what's up? I go around the corner. This was the craziest shit in the world. Gil had his, he had them tighty-whities on, too, the regular drawers. Back in the day, Jones, this was before dudes wore boxers. He had them drawers on. He's sitting, listen, he's sitting on the edge, you know, at the corner.

It's the edge, and it's like the suit right there. He's sitting there with just his tighty-whities on like this, looking straight, and his clothes was folded right next to him. His clothes and his sneakers was on him. The clothes that he had on. Yes. Okay, all right. Folded neatly.

So the lady came and she threw a blanket over him from across the street. I'm like, cuz, what's up? He's like, who you? Who you? I'm like, come on, cuz. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. And he just got strong as shit out of nowhere.

So I'm right there, and I'm trying to wrestle him, but he's strong. Listen, this was a different strength. So just imagine a dude with some tighty-whities. So we're wrestling the street. If you're looking from down the street, you don't know what's going on. You think it's a love triangle.

So I'm wrestling him. I'm like, oh, he's strong. And it was like, it got crazy. The people came. They actually called the ambulance in the SPC, because they had to hit him with some shit to calm him down. Because, you know, that bombing fluid, that's like some next level. The PCP is some next level shit. So they got him.

Once they apprehended him, they got him under control. They threw him in like one of the. This was a long time ago, right? Yeah, they tried to throw him in the ambulance. So they had to throw him in the back of the SPCA joint. That's the dog police joint, because they had a cage in there. He was strong as shit. They threw him in the head and neck.

I'm like, yo, what the fuck? He looked like, what's the dude, Iron Man, one of them dudes? The Hulk. What's the dude that got the joint that come out? Oh, no, Hooray. He was getting crazy. I'm like, damn. Phoned me at the mouth, and I said,

I'm never going to do any drug A day of my life Because of that moment Yeah And I think he had Some Hurricane up in him He was drinking That Hurricane at that time

What's Hurricane? That's the 40 Hurricane 2-11 Hurricane All that shit like the same Oh y'all feel In that Silver Thunder Y'all different really

We ain't had We ain't had the Hurricane Right? Y'all had Hurricane Y'all better have Hurricane in Miami He 40 had to talk about that Hurricane

So he got the Slammer King right now He had the Hurricane But he had a Back in the day He had a song called Hurricane Oh Yeah that shit

How you going Okay Gil was tore up It was wasted Okay And Philly was like The CISERB capital At one point

Who made it first There's a debate Over that 1990 No 1992 They had the CIS the syrup in Philly And what are you saying That's before

Oh yeah Way before they started Talking about that I don't know I don't want to debate about drugs But I'm just saying like In 1992 I knew they had it, right

And it was bad because Alright Wait, you said 92? Yeah, like 92 I lost a lot of my OGs to that Because what happened is The price of the syrup was so high You know, the pill Because OGs to that because what happened is the price of the syrup was so high.

You know, the pill, because you had to take the syrup with the pill. It was high, so a lot of them started going across the tracks and they started messing with the dope

because the dope was cheaper. It gave you the same, it got that in it. And a lot of my old heads get turned out, man. They never came back, man. They started messing with that boogie.

What's that one block in Philly, man? You and Gilly, y'all posted and it's just, everybody is just... Oh, that's, Gil posted it. What's that one block in Philly, man? You and Gilly, y'all posted. And it's just everybody is just... Oh, that's down in Kensington. That's where Skrilla's from. Where they on?

K&A. Where are they on? I don't know. There was one dude. This dude... That's the frozen shit, right? That's the frozen shit. Yeah, he leaned like a pretzel.

And I thought he was dead. And then it's like... That's not the fentanyl shit? Yeah, it's like, I don't know. That's not defending all shit? Yeah, it's all that. A lot of times. It's way worse. A lot of times you see, you still see a lot

of that environment because that's where a young rapper named Skrilla from, he's hot. Check him out. He's from down there and he's just being

in this environment, showing his environment and it's like, yeah, it's serious. And it's sad because a lot of times you'll drive through there. There's a place

that I don't like to drive through because I see, you'll see a homie or you'll see a homie mom or one of your homeboy's brother or somebody's uncle, dad out there. On that block. And it'd be, that shit. Yeah. You know, it'd be sad. And it's not like you would talk to them or something like that. They're in a totally different zone.

They're in a totally different zone, but you don't even want to see them like that. See, me, I'm one of them people like this. I only want to see you, and I'm always going to remember you, how you is. So if I do go down there and I see you, I'm jumping out, and I got to give it to you. Because I got to just put some love on you, let you know who you is. Because sometimes we just need a reminder. A lot of times we fall victim and we fall short based to, you know, the journey of life. And a lot of people try to categorize us for that part of our life and sometimes we

just need to remind them who we are. No, you bigger than this, bro. You're going to come up out of this situation. Remember you this. I was like, when I grew up, a lot of dope fiends, I would be around a lot of dope fiends because in my neighborhood off of Germantown and Allegheny,

there was a lot of There was OGs But they was giving up the most game Like they might be Nodding the screen They be like Neff don't do this Or don't do But I used to listen to them all the time

Because they had the ism And I never I think a lot of times Wherever you was getting Smoking coke Wherever you was doing dope Whatever I never

I never looked down on you I always understand You're just going through a moment Like it's a moment Everybody had a moment Define them You know how some people do bits. Some people wind up getting high and getting lost in the drug

culture. But you got all I always try to remind people, you this. And I always, no matter if I see OG or whatever, man, you man, I always reconnect with yesterday. Man, I remember when you gave me. And to cheer them up, even if they're going through that moment, because it's just a moment. And that can't define you if you don't let it.

Right. You know what I want to do right now? I want to, I know I said this before, but I want to say, I want to show love to the city of Philadelphia.

Thank you. Philadelphia has always been my number one market. You know, being next to New York, it's probably only like an hour and a half drive. Cosmic Kev.

You know, that's why I'm here. Shout out Cosmic Kev. Yeah, big up to Cosmic Kev like a motherfucker. You know, big up to QDZ. It came a little later, but from the come up show to, you know, I forget everybody. I don't want to like, you know, forget, but if it wasn't for Philly, Philly was the first market that I knew people liked me outside of New York. Because we kind of included Jersey, like us, kind of included like Long Island, kind of included upstate. But Philly wasn't New York.

Yo, this dude just gave you props. And you know I call you a fake-ass DJ, Kev. Come on. Come on. Cosmic Kevin! What's going on, Cosmic Kevin? He's a fake-ass DJ. Listen, Kev, for me, let me tell you something.

Yeah. I always grind Kev up because he's with the camera. Kev, you is a electronic DJ. You don't have vinyl. You don't cut. You don't. Man, he come from vinyl, man. He come from vinyl.

I never seen Kev cut. He come from vinyl, man. I never seen you cut. None of that, Kev. Hey, Nori, hey, Nori, that nigga's a fucking head, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. You know what the fuck I do? Yo, Kev, yo, Kev.

Hold on, yes, I know. Let me just tell you something. This is what I was saying, man. I was telling Wilo, I was like, yo, man, I wanted to take a time out to just give love to the city of Philadelphia. That has always been my number one market. And you has always been my number one supporter. I will break the records through you.

I owe you as Philly a major. Because to tell you the truth, I was just telling him, and I'm going to reiterate what I said. Like, if it wasn't for Philly, like, I, that was, Philly was my first place that I got to recognize that, holy shit, I can be liked outside of New York. Because New York was so big at that time,

I didn't care. Like, I didn't really even care if they liked me outside of Seoul. I wanted to give you flowers. We need to get you up here, Cosmic Kev, so you get your real flowers because, yes, you, when it, in Philadelphia, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have been broken, motherfucker, Philadelphia.

Goddamn it. Yes. I love you. You think that, DJ? You think that, you know? Yes, that's right. Thank you, my brother. Thank you, my brother. Word, word. All right, you still a fake-ass DJ to me, Kev. I'm on your top. I'm a holler at you, Ke brother. Word, word. All right, you still a thick-ass DJ to me, Kev. I'm on your top. I'm a hollering to you, Kev.

And then, here's what's crazy, because here's what we just reiterated, us doing this when we did the Vibes Cartel. It's like, you do Vibes Cartel, right? And that's Jamaica. You hold down Jamaica, but you don't realize that covers the Bahamas. You don't realize that covers Barbados.

And so what I didn't realize was I got Philly. You know what came along with Philly? Delaware. Delaware, yeah. And then you got, don't forget Camden. Don't forget Jersey. I always get, Camden and Trenton,

I always affiliated it with Jersey, but you're correct, because that's more South Jersey. And it's right across the bridge. So if it wasn't for the Trenton, Camden and Trenton, I always affiliated it with New Jersey, but you're correct. Because that's more South Jersey. And it's right across the bridge. Camden is major. If it wasn't for the Trenton, Camden, Philly, the whole Philly. And I don't get to Pittsburgh, but Philly mainly. Philly was my main, because like I said, New Jersey was always counted as New York. Philly was my main market.

So I really, and a lot of the great thoughts out there. Oh, God damn it. You said what? Oh, God damn it. You said what? Oh, God damn. Oh, yeah. Philly girls is loose, man. Let's make some noise for the old Philly girls. They got some of the loosest girls in the world. I'm just being honest with you. I have never

scored in Philly. I'm a married man now. Shout out to Philly, man. Philly is historic. Philly is historic in hip hop like there's a lot of debate a lot of things might have started

first in Philly that's deep when it comes to hip hop like there's a lot of debate that's something you gotta talk to Kev about

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New York City is too big for that. Call him. Who you calling? Who you calling now, bro? I don't know. This guy's calling roulette over there. You know, I got a lot of people in my job, because I got to try to kiss somebody from New York

hopefully this dude answer. Okay. Because I'm going to ask this dude. I don't know if he answer. Because you be playing, man. No, no, no. Who the top five hottest dudes

ever come out of New York? I can't. I wouldn't be able to do that. Why? Because, yeah, it's too much New York. No, I'm not.

Yeah, it's too much. Yeah. We both, yes. And we love it. That's crazy, man. All right. But I got to get him.

I need to get this boy on the phone. Okay, sure. Bless you, bless you. He's probably working. Okay. I'm curious to who it is. He got to be working. Yeah.

I got too many New York boys in my joint, man. All right, so let me ask you. Go ahead. As an artist, who was your favorite city to perform at? Nigga, I ain't never make it all the... You ain't never... I ain't never make it all out of just the studio.

No, really. I did a couple joint... Listen, I ain't going to front. My favorite city to perform in was Philly block parties. Because what happened was, I ain't never make it past there. Right. Like, I ain't been about to take this. I ain't been about.

I burnt Gil. I had him go to perform at this block party for free. I got a couple of hours for it. Right. I ain't telling. I'm like, no, this is a promo run. This will be first. Because he ain't really know nothing about rap.

So he do the show, we all at the block party. Not the regular block parties, like the joint where they block the street off. It's like every year they have a joint. But I ain't never getting nowhere in my rap career. So, you know, I ain't never making it. What was your favorite city? Philly. Philly? Philly had you there turned out?

Philly and Connecticut, yeah. I ain't going to lie. Philly, I never had a dead show in Philly. Again, it felt like my home. That was away from my home. It felt like a big Brooklyn. You know, because it was like Brooklyn was off limits at that time. And it was like the whole city of Philly was just like off limits. It was just a rough, rough city.

And I didn't even have to make fully clean versions. You know what I mean? You know how many people I talk to, and they always talking about, they always mention, a lot of people I talk to, they always mention, like, Philly was like their second home. Yeah, especially a New York artist. You know who else said that? Cam. I mean, me and Cam probably had the same audience, like, pretty much. He said, man,

he said Philly was like, that was his place, like, Philly, Philly, Philly. It was like, I'm talking about, I talk to artists from all, athletes always, I love Philly was like, that was his place. Like, Philly, Philly, Philly. It was like, I'm talking about, I talk to artists from all, athletes, all, I love Philly. All type of shit. They get trapped in Philly and never leave. And you know what's crazy about Philly? Like, and this was early on. It was a religious city, but you could still get smoked.

Like, it was like, you could learn something. Like, the eye could tell you, like, yo, and then say, yo, don't go down that street. You're like, wait a minute. Don't you, like, you know. Don't go there. But listen, man. I just got to say this. Yeah.

You got to get that shit out your head, man. Okay. Listen, you want to. No, that joint looks so crazy. You want to ask a girl to touch my shit? No, that shit is not real. That's a two-pack. Listen, you want to... No, that joint looks so crazy. You want to ask a girl to touch my shit? No, that shit is not real. That's a toupee. Listen.

You know how they be getting the joints put on here? They braid it up, then they spray the sides and shit, and then line it up with the cardboard. You lining that shit up with this. In Turkey. Yeah, like, come on, man. I'm dying to graze, but this is my real... You can't twist a toupee.

Come on, you want... I mean, not you. I don't want you to touch my shit. But if you're asking... Yeah, a girl. Yeah. This boy is real, you can't twist a tooth. Ray, come on. I mean, not you. I don't want you to touch my tooth. But if you're actually, yeah, a girl. Yeah. This boy is crazy, man. He's rewriting. Let me just tell you something.

This is real talk. As my hair was growing, right? I said, you know what? I seen the L.A. L.A. video, right? My man. So, I said. This is ready to be 313 day. Peezy just came here.

That's right. Detroit, baby. Detroit, baby. Detroit. Detroit. So, I said to myself, I said, yo, I'm going to twist my shits up, but I'll be seeing you under my comments. So, I said, I said, Wildo is a hater. Yo, me and Gil. I said, Wildo going to get me.

Listen, I said, I lied to y'all. Like, you know what I was mad about? I was mad. I was like, hold up. All this time, I'm like, hold up. Kiss? Nigga, you ain't really bald in real life. Yeah.

I said, let me find out. Oh, Kiss been hating, too. We call Kiss hating. We call Kiss hating. And then Prime, Prime time, I'm going to come on this side. I said, Prime, you had a bald head. What the fuck you do? Oh, Prime, you wish it out?

Prime was like, I got somebody you can go see. They can hook you up, too. Yeah. I said, come on this dumb shit, Prime. We're low fat. We're low fat. We're low fat. Listen, listen, listen.

He's my witness. We're at the doctor's office. The doctor gets me. What doctor you went to, bro? Because I had inflammation in my knee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. No, no, I had inflammation in my knee, so I had to get my shit right.

So the doctor, it's not a hit. No, no, no. No, it's Liquid Vita so I had to get my shit right. So the doctor is not a hit. Thank you, thank you. No, it's Liquid Vita, just so you know. Y'all can look it up. So the doctor, this is how I know my shit is fucking people up. The doctor's like, yo, boom, boom. So he gets me in the room by myself. He's like, yo, just want you to know this is what I'm taking.

He's showing me the pills or whatever. And I'm like, oh, OK. So I'm taking. He's showing me like the pills or whatever and I'm like, oh, okay. So I realized he's trying to have a heart to heart. Like a hair? Yeah.

He's trying to have a heart to heart. So I'm like, yo, Doc, chill. Can I tell him about that new podcast coming out, Doc Podcast?

Okay. So I had to take this shit off. Oh, shit. He admitted it. No, no, my hat. My hat. So I had to take like this. I had to take this shit off. Oh, shit. He just admitted it. No, no, my hat. My hat. So I had to take it off.

My hat. The doctor not only went through my shit, but he had his assistant come in and go through the shit. I'm just letting you know. Do you need a hair? Yeah, yeah. To make sure I ain't got none of that. Now, when he said doctor, he said the people at Heart Coach.

So listen. Okay, what? There's a new podcast coming out called The Giddings Report, right? The Giddings? The Giddings. Giddings. Dr. Giddings, right? Okay. He from Philadelphia, what? There's a new podcast coming out called The Giddings Report, right? The Giddings? The Giddings. Giddings. Dr. Giddings, right? Okay.

He from Philadelphia, right? He don't say no names, but this dude bringing dudes back to life. With the hair? No. What does this mean? What? With the y'all? With the y'all?

Listen, this dude- This is Dr. Giddings. Y'all with y'all? I was shocked. I was shocked because me and Gil went through the interviewing one time. Y'all went and got a y'all? Listen, this dude This is out there getting y'all I was shocked I was shocked Because me and Gil went through the interview Y'all went and got a y'all No, no, we didn't do that

Gil did Gil got a y'all Gil got a y'all Stop Stop Don't call the doctor Come on, Jim Don't call the doctor

So we go to the doctor, right? Uh-huh Because Gil's wife comes to me Gil's wife comes to me. Gil's wife comes to me. She's like, they had a little rough past. Gil, hey, Gil, hey, Gil, tell them about, listen. You remember when I took you to the doctor for your birthday? Huh?

To the dick doctor. You remember when I saved your life, saved your marriage? Get the fuck out of here. He said it. He said it. He said it. I told you. Yeah, you got this.

You got this. And I saved his life because he was going through it. His wife told me like, yo, this ain't going to work. She was like, I was like, what happened? Don't do that because

she's ready to get a divorce. Yo, I don't know what to say. Because I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. They't ready I wasn't ready They saved him With Dr. Giddens So Dr. Giddens

Listen He went to Dr. I'm leaving now I ain't talking to you right now He went to Dr. Giddens Because Dr. Giddens I can't let him get his shit off So because with Dr. Giddens

Right He got a joint called The Dr. Giddens Report New podcast coming out Dr. Giddens He got like He I'm talking about

from team owners, famous people, rappers, young kids. So Gil going there, he just come back out with like this whole, this backpack. He got the pump. He got the whole hookups. He's like, he said, you know, man, changed his life.

He been happy since. The boy Dr. Ginnis. So you got doctors like that. So let me just ask, because my friend Mr. Lee, my friend Sonny D, Boris, Drain. Go to Dr. Giddens. Wait, wait, wait. You didn't even let me finish yet.

Boris, Drain, and Eddie Giggs. They over. Listen. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Hold up, you don't even know what I'm saying. Now I'm going to let Irasa because he's still on the young nigga shit. He's rubbing that. Hold up, you ain't know what I'm saying. Now, I'm going to let our roster because he's still on the young nigga shit. But look, look, look.

All of them nigga shits is busting blanks. Those niggas can't get nothing. They can't get nothing pregnant if they try. They can't get nothing pregnant if they try. This nigga's 65 years old. Still trying. This nigga's 65 years old. Still trying. The licker, Sonny. This nigga's sperm is powder.

This nigga's sperm is powder at this point. Sonny, he's good. He's like good. It's like LeBron when LeBron start playing. It's like, hey, these old motherfuckers, can Dr. Giggins help them out? But at the end of the day, I want to get y'all y'all props for-

Hold on a minute. Can Dr. Giggins help these niggas- Yeah, he probably can help anybody. Get his report. It's coming out soon. So he going to get all the games. Because your ovary's about to hold on. Dr. Giggins helped these niggas get Yeah, he probably helped everybody to get this report. It's coming out soon. So he's going to get all the games. Because your ovary

is about to be over, Mr. Lee. You ready to be done. His ovary? Goddamn. Yeah, I ain't going to even change. But I'm going to say this,

though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to say this. I want to salute y'all for creating the outlet and the platform for people to hear the stories that we never would have heard. On Drink Champs, we heard some shit, some funny shit, some sad shit, some gang that we never would have heard if y'all didn't come up with the idea.

Right. You know what I mean? Of just creating a place. Like, just think about this shit. We never had the opportunity growing up to know anything. Only way you would see Norris if you came to the town to do a show. Right.

Or if you seen you on BET or something, but nobody never, there wasn't no social media. Now, you know, everybody know anything about everybody's life a little bit, but still the legends, you just didn't know how certain things happened, how certain beats came up,

how studio sessions, how features came. Like you just didn't know. So it's like, this platform is major for the culture. Thank you. I think what y'all did is extraordinary. It's major.

We appreciate y'all following the blueprint. You going to get OnlyFans? For what? Because I heard niggas is getting OnlyFans now. I don't know nothing about that. I'm cool on that. I heard like Barbaras and all that. What, they cutting hair on OnlyFans? Why would I want to see them cutting hair on OnlyFans?

I don't know. There's weird shit going on in this world. Listen, I'm going to say this, though, man. To each his own. They got to do their thing. I guess people was like, you know, it's a lot of frustration going on in our community because one thing we got to understand, and a lot of people don't understand this shit, the internet ain't for everybody.

Everybody can't hustle on the internet. And a lot of times we don't know that, so we get on there and we play ourselves. And then you see a lot of frustration, because they might see you, they might see him, they might see Peezy, they might see whoever working their mojo on the net. And they're getting off. So they'd be mad, because they think they can do what you do, because they think it's easy. Like a person will look

at drink champs and say, oh, I could just sit there, have some liquor and talk about shit. They looking at the glory. They ain't looking at the story to build up to this shit. The different places y'all was at.

How the rooms got bigger. They not looking at that. They ain't looking at where you started from. They ain't looking at, they don't look at when an artist be trying to figure this shit out.

And I think social media destroyed this because nobody know how to just say, you know what, I'm going to go after my guy giving talent and you might be a hell of a mechanic and run a bag of ball for that, but you abandoned your true talent in order to chase this internet shit

and this internet shit ain't for everybody. It's a delicate, it's a different type of hustle. Absolutely. But everybody think they can just go on there like, oh, I'm going to go here, it's going to pop, I'm going to do one moment,

I'm going to go viral, it's going to happen. That shit, everybody go viral, they don't stay here because they ain't got nothing to land on and ain't nobody at work there. But when you working,

it's different. So, you know, for y'all to do what y'all do for everybody and still be here, it's legendary. And we're controlling the culture. Us, we're controlling. I mean, we made it to the fact that God bless me

because I might sound like a dinosaur, but back in the days, they used to have something called a rollout. And that rollout would consist of the 14 hottest markets for that artist to do it. And we've changed it along with the pioneers that we named earlier. We've changed it so now

the record labels, they have to come see us. Now we don't charge. I don't charge nobody to come on here. You have to earn this. And we don't pay. And we don't pay. But the fact is, you know, pay And we don't pay If you don't pay You ain't supposed to pay But the fact is Like you know

I got my young interns Who used to be interns back then Now they're the big homies And I come hang out with them And eat ZZ's And they be like Yo look This is the marketing meeting

They don't know That you're my homeboy But their first thing Wants to be drink chess Their second thing Wants to be Million dollars worth of game No it can't do that

No what I'm saying What I'm saying is we're part of their marketing plan now as opposed to the podcast wasn't even on that list. It wasn't on their radar. And listen, let's all pat ourselves on the back. We made it. You know, and let me big up to my brother Nas

because he did something. Okay. That I didn't realize until it was years later. Nas did one interview when he dropped his shit, and it was with us. That's all you need now. That's true. And let me tell you what Nas proved with that. Every other outlet picked us up.

I don't know why I keep doing this. You got me hype. I feel like you right now. So like every other outlet picked it up. So it let you know that look, this is what Nas did for us. And for the game, he was like, you know what? I'm going to do

the interview for Just Drink Chance. But here's what the genius part of that was Every other outlet From CBS to NBC To Worldstar To Rap Radar

Either stole a clip or borrowed a clip Or picked it up So with that being said He still did every media outlet But he did it through us He empowered us And literally through us Through hip hop culture

I didn't realize that I didn't realize that J-Hat did that for Rap Radar Yep, yep You know what I'm saying? I didn't realize that No, it's crazy Because some people do it

Without knowing Because like even with us We didn't have The one Dirk do us Thug do us King Born Certain people just do us

And that's great That we held that spot And I'm thankful for them Because they ain't got to do that Yeah that's beautiful Because When you can do a great interview You only need to go to one spot

And I don't care which way you go Like I always tell the young ones Go where you feel as though It's compatible to your audience And what's going to happen for you But It's in a different time Where you don't have to do this big rollout Running around You go to one it's in a different time where you don't have to do

this big rollout, run around. You go to one joint, everybody going to clip in anyway. You don't have to run around. What's they going to clip? They part, say cheese.

Everybody going to clip in and go their way because there's so many different outlets now. Right. But it's a blessing when you got people that can do shit like that for you.

But before I say what people don't do, let me big up somebody real quick. Vibes Cartel. Shout out to Vibes. Probably promoted the best ever. He is the epitome of a guest.

Here's my question. Vibes, we didn't even, I don't know if the team was sending him. He was doing it on his own. He was doing it on his own? Listen to me. So his interview skyrocketed. It went through the roof.

But then you got artists. They won't post. They won't motherfucking post. No, you know what? And I don't blame because you got- No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I blame them. So let me ask you.

Let me, let me, let me. Because you know why? I'm from both sides. All right, go ahead. I'm from both sides. You're the artist. And as an artist, because you know why? And I'm going to be cocky for you.

Some of these artists you don't even need. And then you come on my motherfucking platform and then you don't promote it? That shit hurts me. And but his was crazy about me. And I'm going to be honest. I went to Elliot Wilson. This is before Drink Champs was Drink Champs. Elliot Wilson was annoying.

He hit me every hour on the hour and said, keep posting. We're going to be number one. Keep posting, we're going to be number one. So when I started Drink Champs, I thought of me being Elliot Wilson. Yeah. And asking people to do that. Elliot, I'm not trying to diss you. I'm just being, this is real talk.

So I've never asked the artist to post. Not once. To me, it's a mutual respect. You come on my platform. This is real talk. So I've never asked the artist to post. Not once. To me, it's a mutual respect. You come on my platform. You post too. You suppose, have you ever had experiences with that? I realize in my field, sometimes we deal with people that's more younger and they take the Instagram pages and they treat them like, they don't understand Instagram is strictly for marketing.

Some people want their pages to be pretty. I only put this up. Listen. They took their likes off. Let me explain something to you. I know the game. You took your likes off. You ain't doing good, huh? If you look at my page, the purpose of an Instagram or social media page is

a journal to show your story to your glory. On my page, the shit that I was posting, the stuff that I was posting in that prison cell was still on there. I never took nothing down because I need you to see my journey. I need you to see me in Nanny Crib. I need you to see me running around. I need you to see it so you can say, oh, this shit ain't happening overnight.

A lot of people just say, let me take all this shit down. Just let me get this perfect life. I'm going to have five pictures up here with just the highest views on it and just live off that. No, bro. People need to see the real story. But I realize that a lot of people, a lot of people, they take their pages so personal. They don't want to post and repost. But then you got people that will.

I had a lot of people that do repost it because you know and I know we didn't help a lot of people get number one. Yeah. Because that week when they come in and we going because one thing about me and Gil we different than anybody.

We running that shit all day. We going to go hard on your shit. Yeah. We just keep going. Yeah. We got so many pages we going to keep going pumping it for you

because we want you to win. Yeah, of course. Because we showing the power of the platform but I understand you got a right to feel that way, but some people just... No, no. I mean, to tell you the truth, the beautiful part about, I'm about to say us, but I'm going

to say all of us, is we have our own audience. So sometimes it is about the artist that's president, but sometimes it's about how we just interact and have a conversation. Yeah, we just have a combo. So I just feel like, I have never asked, like I said, I've never asked an artist to do it, but I feel like it's a mutual respect. You know what I mean? I'm not going to go to Angie Martinez' show and then just listen to her on the radio.

I'm going to be like, yo, you know what? Check me out. I'm going to be on The Voice of New York at 3 o'clock. But then it's certain people who just... Like, we don't do the promo runs. Yeah. I can't stand a nigga on promo runs. Keep your ass at the radio. No, no, we the same way.

I'm smoking marijuana, drinking Habiki. This ain't no motherfucking radio. We've done it. And it never works out. It never works out for us. It never works out. Especially, see, the problem with me, and I mean, it's got to be the problem with y'all too

because y'all suffer from all this. We have these relationships. So a lot of times they don't try to hit me direct. And I'll be like, oh, you you know And I'll try not to do it Because I know that It's going to get lost In all these other interviews And certain people will listen

And then certain people will be like nah you know I'm me And it's like nah dog You're not It's not really no one special When you think about we're all selling dog food. Yeah. In Costco's. So it's about who fucking.

And it's flying. You know, just think about how much different dog brands there is. I don't know why I thought it was dog food. That's a good analogy. You know what I mean? But in fucking Costco's, unless that guy greeting you in the front says, look, kibbles and bits is over here. Everyone else is just normal dog food.

I killed that. That was the analogy. That was good. That was a great analogy. I feel good about that. I feel good about that. I feel good about that. I feel good about that.

Go ahead. Yes, sir. But no, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. You have something that's going to come and something that ain't. Right. You know what I mean? And you been hating on my rewind time?

No, rewind. Listen, rewind time. Do you want me to rewind your time? Do you want me to do you? No, my shit gone. Okay, it's gone. But I will say No, rewind. Listen, rewind time. Do you want me to rewind your time? Do you want me to do No, my shit gone. Okay, it's gone. But I will say this though. I look like I belong on a soap opera.

Come on, man. You been hating. You been hating. He been hating. Is that the official box? Sonny, is this the official box? No, it's not, bro. You look great.

Oh, this is not official. This is a Photoshop, John. I will say, this shit look like if it start raining, you're going to be like, that shit going to start dripping. That shit going to drip in your eye and burn your eye. Yeah, you ain't seen me in the pool and all that.

I'm in Dominican Republic. No, no, no, no. We wanted just the paint. But this is my real hair. This is my real hair. I'm trying to come up with fast forward time. Fast forward time? I'm in. Now, we're going to come up with fast forward time. Fast forward time? You're going to...

I'm in. Now, we're going to end it with this, man. Let me just tell you something. I was watching y'all. You know, y'all made it to that level. Started getting money. Getting that bread. Your watch selection is very good.

Thank you. Because you could have fucked up. No, you... No, no, no. It's you. Because you could have fucked up. No, you, you is... No, no, no, it's about you. You could have fucked up. You could have went and got a bust down. Now I'm seeing you with the GMT Jubilee. Is that the GMT Jubilee?

Ooh, okay. That's one of them. Okay, that's a new one, too. Yes. Okay, okay, okay. I don't do no bust down. All classy shit. You could have, you could have, you could have...

Oh, listen. Okay. Okay, listen. Okay. Okay, so let's ask. How did you get into watches? Just, you know, being in jail, looking in the magazines and wanting, you know, the next level. And I just understood the value of it. I said, okay. You know, you got to have a certain taste.

And I said, I only wanted the good stuff. And I see your watch collection is serious. Okay, but let's talk about yours. Right now, right now. Right now, I see that you got the Presley. You got the Presley Day-Date, right? Yeah, that's easy. You know, that's what you love.

Is that a GMT? What is that called? Yes. That's a GMT, correct? Yes. All right, and then what else you got? What else you got? John Mayer.

You got the John Mayer. That's right, with the green face. John Mayer. Daytona. Daytona, yeah. Ice blue platinum.. That's right, with the green face. John Mayer. Daytona. Daytona, yeah. Ice blue platinum. Ice blue platinum, not with the Arabic dial. Daytona with the flooded Rolex diamonds on the inside.

Daytona what color? Platinum Daytona. Keep going, keep going, keep going. I got the lefty. Okay, he made it, he made it. The lefty. He made it. All right, cool.

I got a watch, though. You just made it. I got so many. made it. All right, cool. I got a watch, though. You just made it. I got so many. I forget. I be forgetting. Yes. I just be forgetting. That's another story.

You know what I mean? So you're a car collector as well. Yeah. You know, I love the Porsches. They're different level. Porsches are different. You know, I used to like the Lamb But the Lamb Got two There was two all over the place

Right You're not going You know The GT3 That's like the Yeah It's different over here Type John

See I'm a nigga That like American cars I was going to get No you don't I was going to get a Corvette And everybody told They almost No you be having that shit

Stop it No no no I'm saying I can't get it I'm asking you You get whatever you want. One of my favorite cars. One of my favorite cars is my pickup truck.

Really? GMC, Denali pickup truck. So I can get the Dukes of Hazzard truck and I'm good? You get whatever you want. Gil only got American old school. There's no Dukes of Hazzard truck. That's all Gil got. I mean, Dukes of Hazzard coupe.

You know what I'm talking about? Listen, that's all Gil's got. The Dukes of Hazzard, yeah. That's all Gil got. He got all American must. He got all old schools. All American cars. So you know some way I can get the Deuce of Hazard,

John? Gil do. I want the Deuce of Hazard and I want the Corvette, the 77 Corvette. Gil know all that. Gil got, Gil's shit is stupid.

Right. He got all that stuff. All right, man. Well, yo, Wallo, man, I can't thank you enough, man. I want you to continue to do your thing, man. I want you to continue

to be a positive, you know, role model to the young folks out there, to the, to the young folks out there, to the, everyone out there, you know what I mean? We appreciate that. We appreciate your struggle. We appreciate what you've been through. We appreciate you not being bitter. There's so many people that could have took that route. So many people that took, you know, um, you know, not the way that you took, you're a very positive person. Everybody, I know that,

you know, we're here and we do this for a living, but when we said that you was coming, everybody wanted to come and get the opportunity to have a picture with you and to tell you how dope it is and continue your success, your book,

your energy drink. Because I drink this when I drink this, but I'll drink that afterwards. But as you're going around, yo, man, man, we appreciate you continuing to do your thing, man. One love.

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