Drink Champs - Episode 454 w/ Linkin Park

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Linkin Park!Mike Shinoda and Joe Hahn of Linkin Park join us for an episode you don’t want to miss!One of the most influential rock bands of the 21st century, Linkin Park is known for blending nu-metal, alternative rock, rap and electronic elements. The band gained worldwide fame with their debut album Hybrid Theory (2000), which was certified Diamond by the RIAA and remains one of the best-selling albums of all time.Mike and Joe share candid reflections on their musical legacy, the fusion of genres that defined their sound, and the challenges they've faced over the years. The conversation dives into their creative process, collaborations with artists across the musical spectrum, and the impact of their music on fans worldwide.Make some noise for Mike Shinoda and Joe Hahn of Linkin Park!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: * https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreaga  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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legendary things that happen. Legendary. These brothers have transcended what rock and roll music seems. They are, to me, they're a hip-hop group that turned rock. I feel like a lot of the roots are hip-hop. Because I'm not going to lie, I can rhyme to every one

of their beats. Like, I'm listening to it today, I'm like, I had to rhyme to every single song. Like, I wrote a rhyme to it. These brothers, you beat me. I was in the back of the car

like this. I said, oh, I can rhyme to every one of these fucking beats. Let's get straight to it because we ain't playing around. We are introducing the honorable one, only Lincoln fucking Paul.

Look at the beat. Salute. And that's sparkling water, because that's the bad luck. You know what I mean? I got you back. Yeah, I got you. You guys are on a 65 fucking tour right now. 65 cities.

65 cities. 65 cities. I was going to say, thank you for bringing out the good Japanese whiskey. Good stuff. Yes, that's right. That's right. So let's explain this tour that's going on right now. What cities are you going? What cities are you excited to go to?

Well, the thing is, it's such a big tour for us. Like, we haven't done a tour with this many dates in more than 10 years, maybe more than 15. Usually tours 30 days, correct? I mean, for us, probably longer in a year. But this one is like 65. It's quite a bit long. And is it worldwide? Because that's the thing.

I know I was joking with you guys off camera, but it's something that I really do mean, right? It's a broader scale of the audience you guys have, right? So what cities are you looking forward to? Well, what do you think? I mean, we know the biggest ones, like the places where we have a really crazy, avid fan base. The ones, you know, we're German. Our German fan base is big. Our Chinese fan base is big.

Dusseldorf, Germany? Lots of... He loves Dusseldorf. We go to Germany all the time. On each tour. We do real well in South America. He said China. China, that's crazy.

On this run, we're not even hitting China. We've got quite a big fan base in Russia. The terrorists fucked you up too? Well, we booked the dates before all that stuff happened. We're not hitting China. we're not hitting China. We're not hitting Russia.

And we've got big fan bases in both of those places. It's funny because actually the U.S. is one of our, comparatively, it's one of our smaller markets. Get the fuck out of here. From the beginning or has it evolved into that? Up and down. Yeah, probably up and down. How about North Korea?

We haven't been there yet, right? Never been there. Kim down. Yeah. How about North Korea? We haven't been, no, we haven't been there yet, right? Never been there. Kim Jong-un. I like Kim Jong-un. Sky's fucked up. I'm just saying, he seemed like a cool dude to me. He smoked weed and shit. He liked basketball.

You know what I mean? He liked basketball. Dennis Rodman was out there with him. You know what I'm saying? He's a hairstyle influencer. Right. Did you see the movie, The Interview?

I didn't see it. Oh, you didn't see it? The movie The Interview where they made fun of him? Yeah. Yeah, like he put a hit out on him. So you guys have been able

to do something that other hip hop acts haven't been able to do. You guys collaborated full-fledged with Jay-Z. Holy moly guacamole. How the hell? By the way, by the way,

he has to be, one thing about Jay that I know, I've known him his whole career. He has to be into it to be into it. He will not do something for money. It's not like, that's not him. How, what happened when y'all got together? What was it?

He had to be a fan of you guys. Yeah, well, okay, so this was after our second record. So first record came out. Hybrid Theory was, by the end of the cycle, they told us it was the biggest record on the planet. And I was like, oh, it didn't register what that meant. I was just thinking big is big. But Britney Spears and whatever, those kinds of groups pop groups were big they were probably bigger right and that

would they our label and our manager was like no no your your record was bigger than those records it happened so fast that it didn't we didn't wrap our heads around it and then so we were already going straight into the second record, did a second record that did also really, really well. And then, so that's where we were sitting in our career. And then Jay was just getting to the point where he was,

he was probably a few years from that moment where he retired. What was it? Unplugged or something like that? So what they did is the, the, the mashup was like a hot thing at the moment. Danger Mouse had done the Grey album. And MTV realized that a lot of DJs were doing mashups. And so they went to Jay and they said,

hey, we want to do a show that's like a mashup show. Would you kick off the first episode since you were the first mashup that somebody did really that blew up? And they said, who do you want to do it with? He said, yes.. And they said, who do you want to do it with? He said, yes. And then they said, who do you want to do it with? And he came back to them and said, Linkin Park. That's crazy.

And they told us. So then his manager was John Meneely. I just seen John Meneely with Jelly Roll. Okay. Yesterday. So John went to our manager and he said, this is what they're thinking and whatever. Do you want to do it

and i the response instead of giving them a response knowing that it would just lead to like questions um i just made three mashups because that's what i do like so what they didn't know is that's how i learned how to make music that's how i learned to make tracks i didn't i didn't grow up like rap making a track and rapping on it right i. I grew up before that taking stuff that I liked and mashing them up in order to learn how to make a beat. So I'd mash up, it'd be a breakbeat, a whole breakbeat off of a soul record, and then Wu-Tang Clan vocals,

and then Rage Against the Machine and Smashing Pumpkins, and maybe some Jackson 5 thing. All these fucked up things that didn't make any sense. But to me, it was just, I was just vibing. Like your own remixes. I was, yeah, I was just like learning.

And so that's how I learned to make. On the portrait, right? I did, I was, yeah, I was doing it on this weird little sampler called, originally called MS1. It was a Roland piece of shit. And then eventually a Kai S900. And then, so yeah, I made those

and that's how I learned how to do it. And so when they send us the message that said Jay wants to do mashups, I just made three mashups just as like a proof of concept or whatever I sent it to them. And Jay's response was, oh shit. And he knew immediately like,

yeah, we've got to do, this is the right thing to do. The whole EP. Yeah, there wasn't any conversation that I was just like, what are they going to do? The first thing he's going to say is like, well, how should we go about, I'm just, I don't, we don't

need to do, how should we do this? Just the music is great. Either it works or it doesn't work. No, but, you know, since Walk This Way, right? Yes. Run DMC, Walk This Way. You know, the rock and hip hop thing, it was so perfect. And Beastie Boys, can't forget Beastie Boys

doing it as well. I actually think it went back further. To me, the things like Led Zeppelin on their own. I think if they had the power to sample or they knew to collaborate with people that they would have done it, but they were just assimilating

soul and R&B and older rock. Oh, for sure. They were putting that into this rock assimilating like soul and r&b and and older rock for sure yeah right and they were definitely they were making they were making they were putting that into this rock thing that they did right as a british rock group right so to me i listened to that and i heard hip-hop because i didn't know any better it's like 13 14 no but for me i'm listening to the ep and i'm like this doesn't sound forced at all it sounded like like, I'm going out on a limb here.

Did you guys record in the same studio? As Jay? Yeah. Originally, not the original material, but his, he had so much music out before us, right? Like, I grew up, we grew up listening to, like, what records, do you remember sometimes we would talk about jay's jay's records like when you're just talking you're making songs and you go oh you know what's dope is the bounce on like uh can i get a what you're like that that balance is so cool like i wish we had a song that had that kind of groove right you know and so you'd just be thinking about that and that would

kind of influence the drums and then then we pull from other things like other ideas we had but that i think that sets up when we did the mashups it was like oh it's already the hip hop element's already in there the origins of it a lot of times it just goes back to these breakbeats that you know they're just part of the foundation of

everything we're listening to now is that something because I kid you not to me when I listen to you guys' music, I can hear the hip-hop bass in there. I can hear it. But then I also understand that it's a whole other crowd. You know what I mean? But like I said, I'm sitting there.

I don't want to be an artist no more. But I can't help myself. And the whole time I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm rhyming to your shit. So is that something you have to do consciously? Because anybody who loves hip hop has to love your music. I feel like sometimes it may have been intentional, but other times it's just like it's baked into what we like. It's just what we like. that's what i grew up on and we were talking earlier like it's like before we got into making rock music i probably listened to like

two to five percent of the music i listened to was probably rock okay it's probably like 90 percent hip-hop because you guys are like the hip-hop heads of the band i would it seems like it i think that's right so do you think that you guys bring more of that perspective? And has ever like anybody else saying, nah, maybe it's leaning too much to hip hop? Well, I think if you're alive today, it's like hip hop is undeniable. Right. It's everywhere. Right.

And I think for us, it's just a matter of over time doing a lot of work and focusing on, you know, in our case, especially in the early days, hip hop. And then it's just like, oftentimes more than not you hit a wall, right? I want to do this thing. I can't get it. And actually, uh, we're, uh, there was some old tapes I was, I was watching, uh, of us making this record. We're talking about some vocal stuff that Mike's doing. And he's like, ah, like I felt like I, I just like kind just, like, kind of hit a ceiling on what I can do at this moment.

But then, like, magically, we just make the right track a half year later, and it just automatically just flows. Did you ever have a verse where, like, you did the verse on a beat, and it sounded okay, but then you didn't release it or whatever, and then later you heard a different beat, and you did the same verse on the new beat, and you're like, that's the song.

It fit perfectly. It happens. At this point in my career, I've got so many verses that are almost, maybe they're half-baked. Not quite done, but they're close, and they have a vibe, and then I put them over the right track, and it fits. so let's talk sex and drugs and rock and roll okay i love that that's where you went you're probably talking to the wrong group but all right so mr rogers on the show Yes, because rock and roll has a lot of sex.

I got offered cocaine yesterday. It was crazy. And you blame it on rock and roll? Yeah. I blame it on rock and roll. Yes, I am. That's funny. How is that?

Is that such a thing that exists? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll? Absolutely. I think it's the music industry in general. I have my own answer, but what would you say? It looks like you did a line before. Actually, no, not I haven't. Okay, good.

No one believes me, but me neither. Joe's in Miami now. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. No, I feel, I mean, yeah, I know you don't want to answer it. I feel like, no, I feel like it's funny because it was really notable when we came out. One of the things people said about us all the time was, oh, these guys are so much less that. Wow.

More clean cut. The groups that were out before us were really partying through the 80s. The Motley Crue and the Guns N' Roses. In the 80s, huge. Like, that's what they were all, huge. They were all known. They were biting bats and shit like that. But they were out on Sunset. I don't know if you ever spent much time in

Hollywood, Hollywood. Yeah, I've never really got it. So those guys, they lived. It was like debauchery. And they were just constantly back and forth between the club where they played and take girls back to the place where they stayed. And they lived. It was all day day it was a culture at that point right so yeah so that was their culture and i grew up when i grew up it was the it was like the end it was i

was little when that was ending so i was reacting to like i was looking at you were talking about run dmc b-boys like that was earliest, the first records I ever bought were those records. Beastie Boys and Run DMC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. License to Ill. License to Ill. Don't sleep till Brooklyn. Raisin' Hell might have been, I might have bought another Run DMC record before that. Anyway, the point is that that was the beginning of me listening to music.

And so all the music I listened to was hip hop. And then those, the kids at my school at the time everything was real separated if you based on what music you listen to right so our table we all listen to rap those dudes they all listen to rock or metal or whatever we had beef with them like we fucking hated them in the school they fucking hated us yeah but that's how it was like we were growing up in these like i was in you know, in the San Fernando Valley. So, like, the joke is, like, that school where Ice Cube goes to in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What movie? So, Cube and a couple other people, like, it was known that he in particular went to school in my neighborhood. San Fernando Valley. So, yeah yeah it was up in the valley where all the white kids it actually wasn't all white kids in the movie they show all white kids but in reality it was um there's a lot of persians a lot of uh jewish kids mexicans that's where q played ball at so so in high school right high school yeah so they bust they bust all those kids up because they wanted to get them out of the hood to get like better teachers better

education whatever right because they have more funding them out of the hood to get better teachers, better education, whatever. Because they have more funding up there. And so what happened is they all came to our school, and they all got integrated. What happened for me, for us, was that he had already graduated at that point. Q. Yeah. I was about to say, you went to high school with Q? I didn't.

That's the only kid ever. But what happened was all those kids were still getting bussed up, and they were bringing their music. Wow. So the kids from downtown who listen to Ice-T, who listen to NWA, who listen to all that King T, all that stuff, they came up, and they're like, check this out, check this out. And that's how I got all the music I grew up listening to is from them. Wow. Yo, man, that's pretty nice.

The whole story's short. No sex. story short no sex but you asked about the other thing yeah that by the time we got like since we were the next generation after right we were like people said like we're more about our business like we were trying to be artists get make interesting creative shit and handle our business so that it stayed afloat like so it didn't fall apart because those dudes had already come out yeah been intoxicated and whatever, and their business fell apart because the people

they handed it to, like, cheated them. Okay. Right? Right. Yeah, they were too fucked up to deal with the business. You heard stories like,

oh, their attorney cheated them, their business manager cheated them, whoever the label, whatever. So we didn't want to be victims of that, so we were always like, well, let's be, like, clear-headed and smart,

and we didn't party so much. We took care of our shit. So how did you guys come up with the name Lincoln Park? Was y'all at Lincoln Park? Oh, it was a park in Santa Monica. And Chester, our singer, we were looking for a new name. We were called Zero at the time.

It was X-E-R-O. That was our name. That was your name, Zero? That could have worked. And then our name was Hybrid Theory. And Chester was a part of those early? So Zero was with a different singer, migrated from Mark, and Mark became a music manager. He now manages a ton of great rock

artists, so he ended up doing great. And then we got Chester, and we had to change the name to Hybrid Theory, and then that wasn't going to work for whatever reason. And then we were looking for a new name, and Chester and we had changed the name to Hybrid Theory. And then that wasn't going to work for whatever reason. And then we were looking for a new name. And Chester was sleeping in his car. He was out from Arizona.

He didn't have a place to stay yet. And for whatever reason, he didn't decide to stay with me. I asked, I think I offered it to him, but he didn't do it. And he stayed near Lincoln Park. And he brought it in one day. He was like, what about this name? And we changed the spelling because at the time a.com was powerful.

Having your own name.com was a good thing to do. So we changed the spelling to L-I-N-K-I-N in order to get that.com. Rest in peace to Chester. Thank you guys. So we're going to do a quick time of slime. Going already? Yeah. Give them their flowers first, man.

Our show is about giving people their flowers, and we want to give you your flowers face-to-face, man. And, man, tell you how great people are, what y'all did, what y'all doing to the industry, and continue to move, man. We really respect y'all, and we really was honored that you guys chose us to speak to the public. We want to give y a round of applause. Oh, wow.

And by the way, this whiskey is fantastic. And we know you all represent the whole band, but thank you for coming out here. I mean, it's an honor. Thank you. We're going to explain the game? Yeah, so you've got to get designated

drinkers for you guys. I could probably do it. got to get designated drinkers for you guys. I mean, unless you're going to have some drinkers. I could probably do it. You could say it. You could say it. You want a designated drinker? Yeah, you. It's Rick's birthday.

It's Rick's birthday. Oh, wow. Come on, come on, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, it's your birthday. It's Rick's birthday. Yeah, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Pull up, Megan.

What are you drinking, Rick? No, he got a drink. He has to drink. He has to drink with two pick. Okay. Okay. What are you drinking, right? You got to drink what you pick. He has to drink what you pick. What do you want him to drink? He has no choice. Oh, he has no choice? Yeah, yeah. Japanese whiskey?

Okay, cool. Expressive take. He's treating you so good. Expressive take. Okay, you ready, Jamie? Yeah. It's not like that. Okay, I'm definitely asking the question. No, I'd like to explain the rules.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could have chosen something that'd be painful. No, no, no. Still kind. Let him enjoy his birthday. That's what I would pick for myself. So this is our drinking game. We're going to give you two choices.

You pick one. Okay. We don't drink. If you say both or neither, which is the politically correct answer, then we all drink. Got it? Yeah, cool. And then it's really just to bring up names and stories. And by the way, this also is...

We're going to be bad at this. We're going to be. I think you're going to be fucked. Very politically correct. So give us some good stories too based on... I err on the side of being a little politically correct. I'll do my best to not be. Okay.

If you do that though, but give us good stories too. I'll do my best. Japanese whiskey. Whiskey. Yeah, whiskey. be. Okay. If you do that though but give us good stories too. I'll do my best. Huh? Japanese whiskey. Yeah, whiskey. Yep. Okay. Ready for the first one?

Yes, sir. I know what you're going to do. I got a sense of what he's going to do. Jay-Z or Nas? Yeah, I'll go Jay. Okay. I'll go Jay.

Jay. Okay. Got it. Do we have to explain why? Yes. Yeah, I'll go Jay. Okay. I'll go Jay. Jay. Okay. Got it. Do we have to explain why? Yes. I've actually never met Nas. You've never met Nas? I've never met Nas.

That's which is like, I feel like we were like a degree of separation at a certain point. And I could hear Nas was like working with you guys. I love Nas' work. And I saw, I went to, I bought tickets to his show when he came to LA a couple years ago. Wow. I'm a fan. Wow. So, okay.

Go on, Jay. Tupac or DMX? DMX. I'll say Pac. Any reasons? Any story? I only say Pac because, well, I mainly say Pac because

I never met Pac. Tupac was such a well-rounded artist. And he was like, he had that other level of thoughtfulness, like the way his mind worked. It was crazy. And I think DMX did too, but I just, I think it really came through in the, in the songs when it came to.

You guys ever interacted with X? I feel like X might've been at some of the festivals you guys. I met, I met X. We played a show with him once. Yeah. Yeah. We played with, I think more than once actually. I was thinking of that one where he didn't do no touristy. He always showed Blade for everything. So we played one of those shows where I remember we were sitting backstage like should we leave and go to the

next show or like he's going to show up eventually i kind of want to stay and watch it play um but i did all actually end up meeting him we did a song i don't know if you know this we did a song with rakim rock him no yeah yeah we had a song off of our one of our heaviest metal records but and the song was so it was a super metal song. How long is the song? Like six minutes, something? Yeah, it's about that, yeah. It's like this Metallica-style six-minute song.

And we had this place in the middle where I was thinking of doing a verse. Actually, they were saying, like, you should do a rap verse on this because that's the most unexpected thing you could do. And my brain was like, well, what can we do that'd be even more unexpected? And we managed to reach out to

Rakim and he drove because he doesn't fly. He drove out from New York all the way out to LA. Wow. Who's the best rapper you could get? He drove from New York to LA. Oh, he stopped in Vegas on the way.

He did stop in Vegas. He was already there. Time out, time out, time out. You went way too fast. So you said Rakim drove from New York? I couldn't believe it either. Yo, that's legendary. I'm taking a shot, even though you ain't keeping it.

Come on, let's take a shot. And how was he to work with? The man, I mean, look. It all started, I can tell you, I can talk about this for the whole thing. The moment when he got there, he came in, I think he came with his wife, right? And then he, when he came in the door, the engineer, there was like a runner or like a lower level engineer kid who got the door, opened the door for him. And this kid's got to be like 17, 18. That's what I thought.

That's what I thought. And this kid opened the door and he practically bowed to this man. Like everybody knew. You couldn't avoid it. Like Rakim came and he literally, the kid avoided his eyes

and opened the door. And when he left the kid, like, avoided his eyes and opened the door. And when he left, the kid was fucking shook. And that made me more nervous. I was already nervous. It made me look so nervous. But the reason I mention it is because, like, because of that, so we did the thing with him, got the single, whatever. And then Rakim came back to town later to do a show. And he did a hip-hop like a

like an old school show that had EPMD on the bill and DMX was on the bill and so on so forth and so backstage I got to go say hi and I met all of them and it was one of the as a fan just like one of the coolest I'll tell you I'll tell you a cool story real quick and we'll get right back to you guys. I see Nas fan out with Rakim. And that made me like, it made me say, don't ever not be a fan of anything. Like don't ever grow out of being a fan. I love that.

That's the point of our show. Yes. Yes. Don't ever. But when I got to see, what I'm saying is Rakim brings it out of everybody. That's my point. I'm trying to say,

but it was at Massive Hill office. And Nas says to me, you know, Eric being Rakim brings it out of everybody. That's my point I'm trying to say. But it was at Massapelle office and Nas says to me, you know, Eric B and Rakim is doing a show tonight. Do you think we should go? And I was like, you leaving this shit up to me? I was like, we are already there. And we went and it was crazy because Nas is still, like, you know, Nas is very, you know, financially secure. He's very artist and secure.

But I just watched him and I was like, what do you call that shit? I don't know. I was, he was talking to him almost. Like, I was just, like, looking over, like, and he knew every word. Like, there was work that Rakim was performing that I've never heard of. Like, I don't know. Like, album cuts you didn't know. Every word, like, there was work that Rakim was performing that I've never heard of. Like, I don't know. Like, album cuts you to none. And to see Nas, like, fan out to the God Rakim, like, you say, like, the kid didn't want to make eye contact.

That's who he is. He's just, like, the ultimate God. So I'm going to take a shot today. I'm sorry. Let's go. Take a shot. We got fucking legal park in the fucking building. God damn it.

All right. Rage against the machine or system of a down? That's not fair. Yeah, I know. That's not fair. Those are the two guys that are right there.

It's the Colombian and the Dominican. They're over there doing a lot of cocaine. We don't judge them. They don't do cocaine. We don't judge them. We don't do cocaine.

Fuck, I just took a shot for free. Yeah, yeah. That was fucked up. That was fucked up. That was EFN's fault. Yeah. I can't. You can't?

You can't do a shot? I can't. I got to do a shot. Same for you? You're saying both too? Yeah. I think the world is a better place. Cheers, brother.

Because they both exist. Happy birthday, Rico. Yes. Yes, happy birthday. And by the way, shout out to System of a Down, who I think a couple of the guys probably see this, but I know they're like touring again. They actually stopped touring for a minute and they came back together.

So it's an exciting time for those guys. They're playing very big shows. We played our first show with System. Our very first show was with System of a Down. Really? We were first of three at the Whiskey. With SX10? Same area that all those glam bands

doing cocaine played at. And we were like, we played at, what did they call that? Like consignment? Like you have to buy your, you know, like you buy it from the promoter

for three bucks and then you can sell it for five bucks and keep the rest. That's how we, that was that show. That was your very first show. Very first show. They had just gotten signed.

Wow. And then the other band was SX10, which was... Oh, that's right. Sendog from Cypress Hill's band. Yeah, yeah. So it was like Cypress Hill and System of a Down and Linkin Park. That's kind of dope. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.

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By the way, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to this. I'm leading the witness. Just give him the question. Wu-Tang Clan or N.W.A.? It's a tough one. I don't think it's the right question. The problem with this is,

like, I feel like I feel like I have I feel like I have an answer that I feel like I feel but I feel like the internet is going to fucking judge me. You're going to be so honest.

I love that. I don't want to say it. Just whisper it really loud in the microphone. I'll be judged so bad. No, no, please, let's be judged. You know what's funny about this question, too? I'll tell you my answer. I love it.

Because when I think of NWA, I think of a period of time when i was that was when i was younger i listened to nwa first and at that time i bought every single thing that dre dre's name was off right everything he does right even the what was her name michelle i even bought the michelle record which i didn't like that wasn't like yeah everything dre talks i love you do talking about Mr. L.A. with the voice yeah everything he did

the D.O.C. record D.O.C. was amazing all the way through like yeah well into Death Row and all that but

I feel like there's a bite coming on I my group of friends for some reason with with Wu-Tang we

my friend had a 18 inch tall Wu-Tang, my friend had an 18-inch tall Wu-Tang W in vinyl on the back of his Honda Civic. That's how obsessed with Wu-Tang. Sounds like a Wu-Tang fan. My friends were that obsessed with Wu-Tang, and I was as a function of just being friends with all them. So that's like the hardest thing. For me, both of the things were were formative like they were important to my like coming of age and

music or whatever but i the the truth is that i probably listened to dre's shit to nwa and dre's shit does wait actually that's a does dre when you say nwa do you just mean nwa as a group and listen this is whatever criteria in your mind that you make to answer this question. Oh, well, then it's Wu-Tang. Because there's only... How many NWA records are there? Only three, right? I believe it's three.

Well, yeah, yeah. Through four. Wrecking crew? If you won't talk about the wrecking crew thing. That wouldn't count as NWA. It doesn't count. NWA and the posse doesn't count. That's the one.

That's the one. Poppin' the posse, Shadock Compton. 100 miles a run. Oh, 100 miles a Runnin' is four. But I, yeah, but then Wu-Tang, you've got the Wu-Tang records

and you've got all their individual records. I listen to all those records. Well, if you do the individual, well, yeah, there as a group, yeah. They're all still Wu-Tang. You got Ice Cube, man. Let's listen, man.

We're taking a shot, sir. Well, he didn't answer. We got him. All right, I got him. He's very confusing. We're taking a shot. The fact that he was very confusing. You said one

both ones yeah I went let's go let's go and who would you I think before NWA I really liked hip hop

and then NWA came out and then I loved hip hop wow it was it was more it was more than just hip-hop. You're talking about NWA, right?

Yeah. That's how I felt. NWA and Public Enemy did that for me. They were a rock band. They had something to say. They were bold. They didn't give a fuck.

I said, fuck the police. I was like, holy shit. You can say that? Early hip-hop was punk, in my opinion. I think it was your show

that when you talked to Dre, he was talking about he treated it like a, I mean, I don't think he knew at the time, but it was your show that you when you talked to dre he was talking about like he treated it like a i mean i don't think he knew at the time but it was like he was actually creating a world like he was like expressing himself that's how he looks at it now is like a looking back at it he talked about how he you know being creative right like he wasn't like just oh here it is like this is how oh yeah no no he was like inventing this whole universe right and that's i think that's what we what resonated so much with us with the with the wu-tang thing i don't know

which band but there was something that went viral of somebody from a legendary rock band saying that he heard wu-tang and it and he got something from it that nobody knows was it stone temple pilots or i know you're talking about maybe more even older than them i don't know was it yeah it was a john for chili pepper okay yeah that's right yeah and it was like crazy right because people were like they didn't gather that from what he was saying but he said that influenced them a lot yeah and then with with wu-tang they were just especially rizzo was just doing unusual stuff no and the way they did when they came out They like Brought it back to the essence Yeah Dirtied it up

Dirtied it up You know and it was Yeah it was dope When Wu-Tang came on the scene Alright so we took a shot right We did Okay You can have this one sir

Okay Zeppelin or Pink Floyd Oh Zeppelin Zeppelin Damn I would've went Pink Floyd Dang So then why didn't you say it then Because I knew I was wrong Floyd. Oh. Zeppelin. Zeppelin. Yeah. Damn, I would have went Pink Floyd. Dang.

So then why didn't you say it then? Because I knew I was wrong. The Beatles or Rolling Stone? The Beatles. The Beatles for me. Yeah.

You said Beatles too? Yeah. Just because, I mean, the innovation. Any interactions with these legends? I would take acid with the Beatles.

Like, if like, I've never taken They probably wouldn't take it with you. I would. They wouldn't take it with you. I would. They won't take it with you though. I want to. No, we did with Jay.

Oh, you took acid with him? We did with Jay. We did the Grammys with Paul McCartney. That was like our big... Oh, but let's clear the room. Not on acid. No, I don't know. I can see the comments right now.

He just made it. He just made it. Doing acid with Jay-Z. And I can hear the comments right now He just made it He just made it Do an acid with JT And I can hear him calling me He's calling me like What the fuck You just let him say we did acid That's one of those things

Where they'll edit together Some version of it No acid with anybody With nobody You look like you'd be a good acid guy Maybe I could be I appreciate you saying that What's the hardest drug you ever did?

You did cocaine once I did not Never Me neither No one believes me though They don't believe my hair neither It's just You've done cocaine

That's why you drink the sparkling water Show them what's under it though Just feel it You've done cocaine before right? That's why you drink the sparkling water The shirt says cocaine Yeah I'm not gonna lie The shirt says he cocaine. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

The shirt says he was selling it, actually. I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't want to say it earlier, but you definitely have the best shirt on in the building. Let's make some noise for him. That shirt, from the beginning, as soon as I seen it, I was like, damn, that's a shirt I would like.

I was like, in my mind, I was jealous. I was like, I want that shirt. I think I got it in Maui. In Maui? Holy shit. In training? Yeah. What the fuck are we talking about? I was so into it. Yeah, you didn't do cocaine.

Nobody believed you. But you have done in the past. No. Not yet. Damn, alright. Alright. Lupe or Pusha t oh that's up oh that's really that they're both incredible if i if i feel like we just uh a friend of us just we just who we just saw at lunch said oh if mike like pusha says hi so if not for that i would probably be like drinking a shot right now but since i i feel like it was an omen okay i'm supposed to i'm

supposed to so we go and push the tea i mean lupe didn't say hi okay i love you make me want to take a shot. How about you? I had dinner once at Lupe's mom's house, so I think I got to pick Lupe. I feel like we got to take a shot because of the confusion. Yeah. You're the same.

Wait, we have to be insane? No, we're making this up right now. We're hanging up being both. That's a both shot. Oh, come on. She is cheap. We're trying not to make you make your flight. We want to keep you here.

I'm sorry. We love your energy. Come on, let's go. Let's see on some DJ shit. The Executioners or the Scratch Pickles. Okay, we can't do this thing where if we differ, we're going to take shots every time. Okay, I'm sorry.

That's not fair. Okay, I'm sorry. The rules not fair. Okay, I'm sorry. The rules are written somewhere. He's right. He's right. I don't know. I know the scratch

pickles a little bit. The X-Men executioners are... Right. That's Rob Swift. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eclipse and all. Yeah.

So that's... Yeah, executioners. The DJ side over here. Time to take a drink. Ah! Happy birthday! We're done. Happy birthday. Yeah, executioners. The DJ side over here. Time to take a drink. Yeah, but yeah, if it wasn't for them two just like trying to one-up each other back in the day, that's like each of them individually and as crews are just unstoppable. Incredible.

I mean, for people watching who don't know about that, like I didn't know about it when I met Joe. He was the one who told me, oh, check this battle out. Check this DJ out. Like it was, that was around 95, 96-ish, I think, when it was really hot. Like those crews were innovating every few, it felt like every month. Yeah.

And shout out to the allies from out here, DJ Craze, our homie. They were part of that. That was like, was that the same generation or or or slightly slightly they were they were they yeah they overlapped but they're who i mentioned were a little earlier executioners yes scratch pickles and allies came shortly after and you had eight tracks that comes out of that like yeah incredible yeah this is absolutely one of my favorite questions on quick time as well analog or digital? I probably do digital.

Really? Yeah. I would have lost this. Yeah. I do digital because it's what I'm the most familiar with. Like, I like the sound of analog. There's nothing that can beat it. But in terms of the way I make music, if I was stuck to analog, I'd be, I wouldn't be able to make what I make. It makes sense.

Because that's the way, I was watching something about you guys, the way you would produce music. And he's from a group called Mayday. And it reminded me of you guys. You guys don't do it like a traditional. No, I'm familiar. We, they opened for, was it Fort Minor? I opened for Fort Minor. Oh, dope. we, uh, they opened for, for, was it Fort Minor? Oh,

I opened for Fort Minor. Oh, dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Oh,

yeah. And I used to manage them. Yeah. So, I would see their process and it was, and what I saw you guys is similar.

It was like, not a traditional band that jams out together. Like, you guys are like with files and, and put like, you know,

like sampling and sampling self, you know, playing stuff then sampling self yeah you know playing stuff and it's dope it's like hip-hop it's basically like hip-hop production right yeah we learned that's how i learned right i'm gonna link your park beat we got a lot of them why did you wait with two eyes i was like i don't know what to do with that wink, Nori. No, because you know why?

I'm getting the fucking music bug back. I'm getting like, you know, like. Yo, listen, you are one of those, like a mashup joint at least. You know when Super Thug came out? Okay, fuck. We were like, oh, I wish we made that song. Wow. That's true.

That's true. We were like, it felt like a punk song. It felt like a rock song. I did. It was so much. It has the energy to do so much. Oh my God.

Oh my God, I did think that. It was crazy energy. I got the punk rock band. Yeah, yeah. I said that. It was great. I said that.

Did you really say that? No, I really did. Okay. Because you know, I like the white people crowd. I do like it. I'm just being honest. Did you see how happy I was yesterday I'm like there

I did it twice I ran twice I like white people White people They know how to party Hey man I'm categorizing this As the most non-prejudiced

Non-racial thing ever. I like just partying, man. I made a record. Oh, boy. I came to party because I meant that. I like to party, man. You don't like to party? Let's party, man.

I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. I'm having fun. Back on some DJ shit. Rock Raider, rest in peace. Jam Master Jay, rest in peace. Ooh, that. I'm sorry. I'm having fun. I'm sorry. Back on some DJ shit. Rock Raider, rest in peace. Jam Master Jay, rest in peace. Ooh, that's a tough one. So Rock Raider or Jam Master Jay?

That's tough. I get... I mean, it's kind of like the NWA Wu-Tang questions. It's like different importance for different eras. For me, when I decided, hey, I want to be a DJ, I was looking at Rock Raider. Like he was instrumental for you. He's just like, how do you do

anything that he does? But Jam Master Jay came first. So I feel like DJs later wouldn't have existed without... I think he was a big inspiration to turntable-ism to an extent. That's like the Jordan or LeBron question.

Yeah. Different importance and different responses. So I differ with Joe. I'd go with Jam Master Jay just because I wasn't a DJ. Like, I didn't listen to it that way. I just, he was the first time I heard somebody scratching records that I was like, oh, that's. And he's a producer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's true too. Yeah. But he was also, he was doing the juggling. Like, they'd rap over the juggling, and that was just like, he was like, it felt to me like he was inventing a new lane. Which there was a lot of DJs for groups that were doing that, but he was, at that time, Run DMC was just the biggest. Right.

And when the crowd came alive, when he's just like... Yeah. What's the track, the live at the Funhouse, right? Isn't that the one where he does the big beat beat jug yeah it's the famous yeah so for the people listening who don't know what that is just most of you go listen to it go do the research digging in the crates this is my favorite ice question ice cube or iced tea question. Ice Cube or Ice T? Cube. Cube?

Easy. Easy for me. All right. I can see it. Although I did fall out of love with Cube for a moment when he did that Black Korea song. What's Black Korea? I've never heard of it. That was the racist one. Yeah, that was the racist one.

Yeah, that was the racist one. That was the one where he's making fun of Asians. I'm half Japanese. What? He was making fun of Asians. All of the Asians in LA.A. were like, yeah, we're Ice Cube fans. And then that record came out.

It had to do with the supermarkets and bodegas. For a moment, we all got mad at him. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where the fuck was that? Yeah, it was Death Star. I think you were in. I was in jail.

Okay. Makes sense. Really? He had a record? I didn't know that. okay makes sense really he had a record it was it was yeah it was a questionable moment did he apologize did he make it right i feel like he did a version of an apology which i don't know if i was listening at that point i think i i think of did, but I didn't. I wasn't checking for Ice Cube at the time. But I came back. That's crazy because that's one of his best albums, the whole album. That record is so good.

I consider Death to be one of the best albums in hip-hop. I was so conflicted. I was super conflicted. I was like, I love this record so much. And who did he say on that record that was offensive? He was using slurs. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Okay. Shit. I'm so not prepared for this conversation. No, I'm not. No, you're not. No, he's like, I just want to go back to the white people. I like white fun. I like white fun.

What's up? I like white fun. Says nobody. Guns N' Roses or Motley Crue. Oh, man. Guns N' Roses for me. Yeah, I'd say the same. I'd say Guns N' Roses.

The name is Guns N' Roses, man. And it's funny because, like I said before, when that was hot, when it was as big as it could get, that was the time when I hated it the most. Because I was... Guns over... Our table was listening to Rappers.

Oh, the other guys were listening to Guns Roses. The other table was Guns Roses. But what's ill about them is I clearly remember seeing Axl wearing the NWA hat on stage. Back then, we didn't have Twitter, right? So it could all just be bullshit that some kid said to me. Well, even now, even worse.

We don't know what's real. Yeah, that's true. I try not to. Let me just tell you something. I love Twitter. I go on there. Fantastic. Tell me more. Listen, I will

take a picture of something that no one can hate on. A white bunny rabbit. Okay okay i'll take that a white bunny rabbit and i'll post it and they'll be like that bitch is ugly you like this shit makes me so happy because i'm like your life is not great like there's people out here who hate everything and just remind yourself of that. So I will post a picture. I swear to God, there's nothing wrong about this, right?

I'll just post this. Somebody will be like, fucking bitch. Your cup is ugly, ho. Your cup is ugly, bitch. Like, you like. Yo, listen. Now I can start my day. Now I can start my day.

Like, I know that there's someone somewhere that hates for no reason. No, and usually they're happy as fuck, but their fucking Twitter fingers say some bullshit. Twitter is the best. Actually, this is a thing that I was thinking about this morning because this show, you guys, it's loose. You talk about a lot of stuff. God damn it. It's just banter. But it's looser than most.

I like where you're going. Let's go. So I was thinking about that. And I was thinking about how one of the things that, about the social media thing that kind of, that we don't ever talk about is the fact that with our, so we've got a new lineup new lineup with our band we've got Chester passed away right we took many years off basically as a band and then eventually we ended

up meeting two new great members we met a new singer named Emily and a new drummer you heard the girl that's right yeah right and when we eventually relaunched the band, we did it through a live stream show. And they could hear, instead of it being us giving you a PR press release statement or something, we just played music. And we played a new song, and they could see her singing the old songs too. And just like everything else on the internet, people just jumped up and like everybody was going to have their opinion, positive, negative. And then also in the middle, like they didn't, they were still making up their mind. And what's been really interesting to see as we go through all the tour dates and more time passes is you see like people who were like super haters in the beginning, all of a sudden they're like, changed their mind. And now they're like at the shows

and talking about it. And then other people who are like hearing that, oh, you fucking stupid. Like they get so mad. It's total chaos. So I think that's one of the reasons why I don't go on as much. As you shouldn't.

Personally, they're talking about the thing that I love. Like, I don't know. This is actually, this is a separate topic. Let's go. Go ahead. Do you feel, because this is almost

like a question for another rapper, like, do you feel as, do you feel so, so passionate about the things that you've made

that if somebody took it away from you and said, you can never make another record, you can never get in the studio, you can never rap again, you can never make, like, You can never get in the studio. You can never rap again.

You can never make... You lost your voice or something. Can they do that to me now? I don't want to make another... I'm sorry. I'm just playing with you. To me, not being able to do Linkin Park is like I have a hole. I'm missing a piece of my...

I'm incomplete. If you have peace of mind, don't go on Twitter. But I don't like my peace of mind, right? Like I, I'm fucked up. Like,

I kind of like this negative shit because I'm from New York City. He's using fucking shit. Yeah, and I know in New York City, negativity is positivity. Just use it in the right way. Okay.

So this is my way. When I go on Twitter, I swear to God, I will take a picture. I promise you, I'll take a picture like something innocent like this, and I know they're going to find a negative part of it. Yeah. But some of them are actually accurate. Some of them will be like, you should have, you should have edged out this part.

Then you look at it, you're like, yo, he's right. Criticism? You like the criticism? It's fucking fucked up criticism. But so you've never been on Twitter? No, I have. I haven't.

And since Elon took it over, I'm just being honest with you, it's very dangerous. It's a lot more crazy. Since Elon's a guy, we have to be happy with that. It's very dangerous. It's a lot more crazy. Since Elon's a girl, we have to be happy. It's a wild, wild west out there. Oh my God.

But you're like, you sound like, like Jerry Seinfeld. Like when he talks about, he was on some night, late night show talking about his wife. Like people don't understand,

like when he likes something, it's because he can complain about it. Like he's, the miserable part because he can complain about it. The miserable part is the part that he... I've seen that. He said it better. I don't know. I'm not in his mind, but it sounds like that. He's a New Yorker too, right?

He's a New Yorker. What's wrong with you guys? Yeah, look at them. What's wrong with you? You're like, get negative. Is you happy? I'm being honest. Let me just tell you something. Yeah look at that I don't know He's like what's wrong You're like get negative Get negative Is this you're happy No I'm being honest

Let me just tell you something I haven't been in New York In a long time But every now and then I fly to New York Just to get negative And I just come back I just need a little bit

An ounce of negativity In my life And this is This is the safest Way to receive it Safest way to receive negativity Yes ounce of negativity in my life and this is this is the safest way to receive it safest way to receive negativity

you just go to New York and you will be angry it's like a negative sauna you even in Manhattan in the rich they have a place called Beer and Airs Row

I stay pretty much down the block wait is that the restaurant that they talk shit to you no no no that's in Paris no no but there's one in New York

that I saw is that the Cuban spot no my people's in Paris. No, no, but there's one in New York that I saw documented. Is that the Cuban spot? No. My people's is being found? No, no, no. People love that. What's the name of that little cafe?

It's not Cafe Habana. What, in Paris? No, no. This is like in New York City. And they talk shit to people? They're so, that's their thing. At least it was. I haven't been there recently.

It's not the halal guy. But they came down. He's a Cuban, bro You go in and they just point And you're supposed to They mean go sit And you sit down and they're like What do you want? And if you don't answer right away

They just walk away And they get five stars Because the food is so good That you'll put up with the beating In order to eat the food. Hey, maybe that's a business idea, man. It's very New York, though. I feel like there's multiple places for that. No, I saw a documentary about a diner in Manhattan, but this is an old documentary,

so maybe the spot's not around, where you sit down and you look at the menu, and then if you don't do anything in a certain amount of time, they're like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. They start screaming at you and talking shit. Okay. It's real. That's what you like.

You mean that's typical New York shit. He's mean, and if you don't comply to it, it's like he kicks you out immediately. They do that at Carnegie Deli. I took my family there, and the waiter practically did that to my children. I was mad at him. I'm sorry, but I'm not fucking with that, waiter practically did that to my children. I was like mad at him. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm not fucking with that, man. Fuck that shit, dude. So you guys are both from California? Yes. California. So you guys do not understand that New York attitude? We've been to New York. You know what was my favorite group of all time from California?

And they were dropping diss records who the beach boys oh that's right you've said this go i like i actually like his idea of this go ahead the beach boys was dropping diss records back then east coast west coast started with the beach boys he says the east coast west coast you don't remember the records were they beefing with the Beach Boys. You don't remember the records? Were they beefing with the Beatles? No, they was like... Oh, the Beatles is... No, I'm saying they had a thing. The Beatles and Beach Boys had a thing.

Oh, no, yeah. But he's literally saying the coach. No, that was a creative... No, please tell me about this. That was like a creative competition, like who could make a more interesting record. Okay. That's different than what you're talking about.

Do I look like a Beach Boy type of guy? An L.A. Beach Boy? L.A. Beach Boy. I don't know. Okay. That's different than what you're talking about. Do I look like a Beach Boy type of guy? An L.A. Beach Boy. L.A. Beach Boy. I don't know. Okay. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick.

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Plus on Apple Podcasts. Have you been to Venice? Yeah, Venice, yeah. Venice, yes. My friend Alchemist is from Venice. I took a shot at him the other day. He sent it to me. He's like, why did you come at me?

He's not from Venice. He has a studio in Venice. He has a studio. I don't think he's from Venice. I believe he's embedded in Venice. Go back to the Beach boys this in the east coast this is what the beach boy said he's like he's like couldn't they be from california still about the girls said all the pretty girls should be from california

how disrespectful so that's automatic shots fired? That was shots fired. Yes. Then Tony, Tony, Tony did it. Say. You had a better reason. You did a different. No, I got it. He did a different lyric.

Directly from Beach Boys to Tony, Tony, Tony. Tony, Tony. Yeah, listen. He's the only one that's connecting that dot right there. You California guys have been taking shots at East Coast for a long time. Rafael Sadiq is here now. Yes. He's in only one that's connecting that dot right there. The California guy's been taking shots at the East Coast for a long time. Rafael Sadiq is here now. Yes. He's in the beef now.

Then he was like, it might be cold on the East Coast, but on the southern side of town, it never rains. In southern California. How you, why you got to say that it's cold on the East Coast? We know we're freezing. We know that we're wearing Timberlands. This is not a fashion statement. This is actually because we're cold, sir. And they've been going at us.

You guys, with your nice weather. Let's finish quick. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so happy, man. I'm just being honest. All right, where are we at here? LA or Miami? I'm going to take a shot'm so happy, man. I'm just being honest. All right, where are we at here? L.A. or Miami?

I'm going to take a shot to that. Miami, definitely. Yeah. He came dressed accordingly. I do love the weather today. The weather. And it's really, really nice. Y'all matching, too.

Are we? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. In this lighting, you are. That's fine. And you, L.A. or Miami? L matching, too. Are we? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. In this lighting, you are. That's fine. And you, LA or Miami? LA. Take a shot?

No, no. No, LA. Unless it's your rules. I love Miami, but LA. LA's mine. Okay. Black Sabbath or ACDC? Skip?

No, no. Oh. What? All right. We're relaxed, buddy. What? All right. We're relaxed, buddy. I don't know what the question is. You said Cypress Hill or this, but... No, no, no.

Black Sabbath or ACDC is actually... I'll pick Cypress Hill. Okay. I don't know what the other one is. Black Sabbath or ACDC? ACDC for me. Yeah. Okay.

And the one we skipped is what he's saying. Rick Rubin or Dr. Dre? And I know you guys worked with Rick and we want to talk about that. That's so fucked up. I was, I said to somebody literally the other day who asked me, name, I don't know, however many of your favorite,

like the artists that if they didn't exist, your music wouldn't exist. And those were my first two things out of my mouth is Rick and then Dre. Like I said, I owned everything Dre had, but I think Rick was first. Like Rick was the first person that I went, oh, his name's on all these records. Sort of like Brian Beeson. Yeah, yeah.

He was the first person that I paid attention to. I'd say it's definitely Rick because he's the first person that made me wonder what a producer was. He made Beasts of Slippers. I mean, you know, we did records. We did a couple albums with Rick. Yeah. Our experience with Rick was very different than what, you know, like the Beastie Boys experience would have been. Like the stories they tell are, that was young Rick. Yeah, no, by the time you guys got with him, he was a different Rick Rubin.

Very different, yeah. And he has like, he has a book. He's a book full of his, what's it called? The Art of Creativity or Creation or something? I forget, something like that. And I love that book. Like, I think like if you, for all the people that have never met Rick or watched Rick work, like if you, if you took that book and just set it in your studio and every single day before you started working,

if you just flipped it open and just read whatever it comes up on, if you just read a couple of pages of that, I feel like it'll set the tone in your mind to like a better way of thinking about being creative. He's that good that it's like just by reading his words in the book that you're you'd be in a better position to make good stuff. For people who don't understand, because I've seen things where people try to criticize the way he produces, saying he doesn't actually play instruments. He doesn't know how to write music. What is his production style? How does he produce someone like you guys? I think for us, it was a matter of us.

Like, if you think about the first two records, Hybrid Theory and Meteora, they kind of go together like chapter one and two. It's part of the pairing. At a certain point, we were fans of Rick Rubin and it's like, oh shit, we can dig into his mind on hip hop and punk rock, all that stuff. and knowing that we had to get over a hump in more ways than one and just help guide us along. It's like it's very psychological with him? Yeah.

Yeah, well, we needed to reinvent the band. We needed to be a different, on our third record, if we had done the same thing, so we did two albums, if we had done the same thing as the first two albums on the next one, then we'd stuck doing that forever so when we went to him we said he said what kind of album do you want to make and we that's what we told him is like we want to make

something really different and this is why and he went around the room and had each person answer so he heard it from each person in the band and then at the end of it he said good i'm glad you said that because that is the way that I would want to work with you. Like, if you didn't say that, I wouldn't want to work with you. This is the way. And I agree with you that that's the thing for your band to do.

So we spent the whole time on that third record taking what we thought was Linkin Park. Was this at Malibu? We were actually not. We were over on a street called Laurel Canyon. Did you know who Harry Houdini, the magician? You ever hear stories about that guy? Like Houd you know who Harry Houdini, the magician? You ever hear stories about that guy? Like Houdini?

The actual Houdini. Houdini had a mansion, and this house was like... There was a tunnel that went to his house. Connected underneath to this other place. Did you just say Houdini? Yeah. The actual Houdini. The actual Houdini?

Yeah, this was across. They were connected houses. I think it was like his mistress. And you worked with Rick Rubin and Houdini? he owns that crib rick owned he doesn't anymore he used to own that house and we made our album in that house and udini's house yeah with the tunnel yeah yeah by the way that's the same place that like system of down he mentioned before and red hot chili peppers who you mentioned before like all the people that worked with rick, a lot of them worked at this house. And there was good energy, good vibes, whatever there.

We went there and we did it. And that was the whole point, was to get outside of what's normal. We were used to making records in a studio. So we went to this house and made a record in this house. And everything felt very different. And at the end of the process, yeah, I think the whole point was to learn more about who we were and who we wanted to be, aspiring to be, right? We weren't there yet, but we wanted to be something that was bigger than what we were. And he helped us kind of point us in the right direction.

It wasn't like, here it is. It was more like, here's the direction, and it's new, so go figure it out. Go explore. Yeah, I think it was more important than producing that record at the time it was unlocking these things that we had within us that we could just easily become trapped in so it's almost like okay go make the next record but make as many records as you want you you guys ever worked at electric lady uh jimi Hendrix studio? I don't think so. If I did, it was like one day. I don't think I did, though.

Because it's like... Oh, I'm mixing it up with that. No, I haven't. We haven't. It's a cat that's there, and they say that's Jimi Hendrix. Reincarnated. Yeah, reincarnated. Oh, crazy.

Listen, I just did blood work. The first thing the doctor told me was, you're super allergic to cats. Like, I can't even be in the same but for some reason this cat does not make me break out it's jimmy henry i'm sorry i got weird no that's wild did you answer rick rubin or dre yeah rick yeah they Relax, buddy. All right? All right. Timberland or Pharrell? Isn't that like what came first, the chicken or the egg?

I don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg. Well, Timberland would have been first. Yeah. Right? Well, I don't know because Pharrell was working with Ted Riley. Ron Sega. Right, but we don't know. Thearrell was working With Ted Riley No Ron Seger Right but we don't The thing is

I think that's They're very close Let's just say they're In the same school Of Virginia So I'm in it We seen that

Straight stunting on us right now Yeah Alright Mr. Lego I like being a Lego That was dope That was very dope I would say Timbaland for me Because

There was a certain period of time where everything Timbaland made made such an impact that kind of helped me think a little bit different. Have you guys worked with Timbaland? I don't know why I feel like... It's funny, we haven't officially... Timbaland makes sense to me.

We haven't officially... Because Timbaland worked on some of the J-tracks. But also, he did submit a thing for that remix that one time along. Oh, yeah, yeah. haven't officially because Timbaland worked on some of the J tracks well but also we did he did like submit a thing for that remix that one time oh yeah

he did like off of Hybrid Theory when we were doing a remix record called Reanimation he Timbaland did send a loop

and it was almost like I wanted it to be great but everybody makes stuff that's like you know great to not great and he I don't I feel like he just put a thing but everybody makes stuff that's like, you know, great to not great. And he, I don't, I feel like he just put a thing, like put something in that was like, maybe not cooked. It was more like passing the ball.

It was almost like to see if we were interested, but it didn't feel like the record. It didn't feel like our records. Right. I'd say, I'll say Pharrell though. Okay. Just because of the scope, right? Like with all this time, like Pharrell is still. The Neptunes.

He on his own. And I think Chad, yeah, I think Chad is a genius. I think we can never not say the Neptunes. We should say the Neptunes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we mentioned Pharrell as well. But you said Pharrell. No, no, for sure.

I think Pharrell on his own, like it's. Super accomplished. Incredible. Yeah, yeah. It's incredible what he's done. I feel like, yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be like a Tyler, the creator, without him, without Pharrell.

Metallica or Iron Maiden? Metallica. Easy. Metallica. Easy. That was one of the best tours. We did a tour with them. We've done a lot of shows with them. We did a whole summer tour with them at one point. And it was top three tours that we did with anybody. Yeah, we spent the whole summer.

It was in the era of just at the end of the new metal thing. When they still had the long hair, they had cut their hair already. All the rap rock bands were out, and then that was coming to a close. And Metallica put, it was them, Limp Bizkit, us. Fred, there's. Deftones. Deftones and Mudvayne. And since we were in the middle of the bill, it felt like we were underdogs a little bit.

But we weren't. We knew we were coming with a really big show. And just the performance, we were on fire. We just felt great. And the fans loved our music. And so every single one of those shows we went in, we killed. Like it was just so much fun. And then, and that's unusual for Metallica fans.

I don't know if you know this, but their fans are, their fans are, can be very rude to their openers. They can, you know, like they, their fans, we, we, there was one show we saw, we, this is a very common thing for their shows. Their fans will show up and turn their back to the stage, to the performer, and put their middle fingers up. And they'll throw beers at the stage while you're performing. And we didn't get any of that. It was incredible.

So they didn't do that to you? They did not do that to us. Yeah, Metallica get high, too. You said they get high? I just feel like it's like... I don't know. Back in the day They were

It was What you were saying earlier They were always They were sex drugs Beer I see them on some beer Jack Daniels or something like that I just want to go back in time

You need to be like An 80s glam rock I don't know I'm going to be honest You put Metallica in glam rock I don't know I don't feel No no

But he wants to drink beers I want to do everything Right I want to do everything Right I want to bite a bat Head off Snake Let's do that shit Maybe a little earlier

I want to Let's go back to the 70s I want to do all that shit Like I know in my past life I was white I'm being honest Oh

Yeah you're out of control I know like You know how you say Everybody Like cause Cause I'm like I love Jaeger and shit That's really funny Because I do Like From my experience on tour I do feel like because I'm like, I love Jaeger and shit.

That's really funny because I do, from my experience on tour, I do feel like Jaeger is a very white liquor. It's very white. I do only think of those tours where, yeah, you're in the middle of the country. There's just the only white people in the show. It's just like medicine. Jaeger.

Yes. That was our experience on a, probably that Ozfest. It was Jaeger. Yes. That was our experience on a, probably that, that, that OzFest. We played OzFest. You did OzFest? As all those,

all those cities. It was sponsored by Jaeger. Exactly. It was sponsored by. Damn. So you even know Jaeger? His past life is jealous. His past,

I don't want him to be there. By the way, those shows, we like, I think we like learned how to be a band on a long line. How to show our... No, they were all getting drunk, waking up, drinking Pedialyte to rehydrate and then going again every single day. That was the IV of the time.

Again, like I said, we were more focused on like building our band and like being a little more we were focused it sounds like you guys are focused so that was not our environment we had to learn to go in there and like win those crowds over we had to learn how to like you know so ozzy osbourne never came to you it's like man no they didn't let's do some great loops i don't think he. I don't think he ever came. I don't think he knew we were on the tour. I think by the time they came, I don't think he knew we were there. I was not doing Quaaludes anymore. By the way,

I'm not making fun of Ozzy. I'm just saying that was their tour. I didn't see him once. Really? He didn't come hang out. They were the headliner. Yeah.

I hear they're all perfectly nice, but he didn't come say hi. I've seen some interviews And they're British people They live forever Vampires? I don't think anybody from Britain dies

Fair enough They get high Who the fuck in Britain dies? He's British You're British? Oh shit I'm good to know you You're going to be here for a long time

Honorable mention before we pass this one Iron Maiden By far I think Oh, shit. I'm good to know you. You're going to be there for a long time. Honorable mention before we pass this one. Iron Maiden, by far, I think, has one of the best mascots ever in Eddie. That's a great point. I love their mascots, though. And I never have an opportunity to say that on TV. That is funny because that character, when I was young, when I was little, it scared the hell out of me. Oh, yeah.

It was a terrifying character. In my crew, we have a character for Crazy Old Productions that's kind of based on that a little bit. I love that. The next. Styles of Beyond or Demigods? Bro. Kind of the same thing? All right. Are you taking a shot?

I'm in. I got to take a shot. Cheers, buddy. Are they being styled part of Dem taking a shot I'm in I gotta take a shot cheers cheers buddy are they in style part of demigods I'm in

I mean kind of but kind of but I don't think so I think I mean shout out to demigods

and styles of you alright Nori take the last one alright oh that's the last last one this is my favorite

loyalty over respect right I heard you ask this Oh, that's the last one? This is my favorite. Loyalty or respect? Right. I heard you ask this. Yeah, somebody said on one of your episodes about you could pay somebody to be loyal, but you can't pay them to respect you. I thought that was wise. I think you have to earn respect. So I'd pick respect. I'm

very confused by the question. I like that. I like that answer. You should be. What part of the question confuses? I don't know. I think they're just kind of... You could just say both. And that's why I think it should be just both. I think they're intertwined. Because why wouldn't

you want both? I'm honestly with you. Go ahead, continue. Yeah, you can't have one without the other. You could. You could make an argument that you could.

In the most genuine way. Right. Yeah. Right, genuine way, right. Yeah. But we're talking about being genuine. Right.

Yeah, it's hard to answer. So you got a drink? So we're drinking. He said both. That's honestly one of the greatest answers ever. How you said it. Because I believe that. I believe one coincides with the other.

That's why I always say both. The only time you're really supposed to drink is when you're drunk. Thank you, Rick. Happy birthday, brother. But that was genius what you just said. I said this earlier Because for me hip hop Is a very limited I don't want to say limited

But It's a certain mountaintop I want to take Biggie's line and say did you ever think rock and roll would go this far you know what I mean like rock and roll is like

like honestly let's think where rock and roll comes from too let's be clear you know what the ultimate and this is going to sound crazy, and I know my fans, so I'm going to say it the proper way. But one of our ultimate goals in hip hop is to get inducted into rock and roll.

Well, hip hop needs its own thing. Yeah, that's true. I agree with that. I don't think that's weird. But what I'm saying is, it's an honor. It's an honor. Like LL, when we found out

LL Carpool Quest Is getting inducted Right now Shout out to Outkast And Salt-N-Pepa Who Yes

We like saluted But So that's It's In a certain way Saying We respect rock and roll Yeah

So What do you think about that? Well, I've always said that I got into hip hop through the back door in terms of my career. Like I could have, just like a little way of like explaining it is when I first started like making my own songs and then Joe and I would make songs together,

I had met the guys from Styles of Beyond through our mutual friend, 007. And I realized I could go that path and start making rap records and trying to break in. And then at the same time, we had this rock, rap, electronic, like we had this weird mashup thing going on with the band that started to happen. And I realized, oh, that's like a way that I can rap and express that part of who I am, but do it in a really creative and different, at the time, very different way.

And so I could be, I could get into that scene and like meet rappers that I admired and worked with different people through this back door. So yeah, for me, it was very much like I never thought that that would lead me to Jay-Z, to Rick Rubin, and all the things we talked about today. That wasn't- Like doing the most hip hop shit. Yeah.

At a point, right. And at a certain point, like influencing, influencing hip hop kids to try other things, like to try other styles. And vice versa as well. That's true. Yeah. Like people who come up to us at the shows.

In case you want to blunt. I'm good. I'm good. I mean, you know, you got to try to go Joe Rogan on us. A great host. Yeah. I'm sorry. You're good. You know what I mean? You know, we got to try to go Joe Rogan on this. A great host. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. You're good.

No, but it's, you know, the, now there's, so, there's really no, like, boundary between genres at all.

Right. Like, everything I, virtually everything I listen to, I wouldn't call it a genre anymore. I wouldn't call it rock. I wouldn't call it anything. It's just

music so that's the type of music i like and we're at a point where almost everything is that way like the biggest records in the world are usually records that are like blending lots of different do you think that's always positive that there is maybe not i mean because people can be a tourist like that the saddest part for me was when we were doing, when we were getting started and we realized that there are groups who are doing, who are adding hip-hop elements. Just because it's a thing now. Like, oh, now we've got scratching on this. Oh, we're rapping on this.

But the guy doesn't know how to rap. He's never listened to a rap record in his life, and he's rapping on this track. Like, that's the type of thing that we, when we were making music, we thought that was really corny. But now that doesn't really happen. Like, that's the type of thing that we, when we were making music, we thought that was really corny. But now that doesn't really happen. Like, now everybody's

heard everything. You've got access to everything in the world. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.

Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.

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The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves. This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it. I'm J.R. Martinez. I'm a U.S. Army veteran myself, and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart Podcast. From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice.

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hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best-selling author and meat-eater founder Stephen Ranella. I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here and I'll say it seems like the ice age people that were here

didn't have a real affinity for caves. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th where we'll delve into stories of the West and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company

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to be able to be on a record with him at the time, that was like a you know. I didn't realize how much you were like on that level with him. I was listening to it today and I was like, wow, you really put yourself But I feel like my best verses are not those verses at all. It could have easily went the other way.

Do you understand how that could have been taken the wrong way? But that lets you know that that's really hip-hop in you, you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Do you consider yourself or not

in terms of being yeah yeah yeah yeah like that's what that's how i started right like i don't even like we joke because i'll i sing on the on the new record which by the way how i keep pointing her up but it was like actually on the camera i keep pointing at the table why does he keep pointing over here on the new record, I sing a bunch. Of course, I'm still rapping a ton. But I sing a bunch, and in spite of that, I don't usually call myself a singer. Because I do think of myself as a rapper.

Right. First. God damn. Let's talk Grammys, you guys. Two Grammys. Nom guys. Two Grammys. Nominated six times, though. I do have one on my own. You got one on you right now?

What did you do? Yeah, you just, you said, fuck the band, I'm going to get my own. I also have one. Oh, oh, oh. What'd you get your own for? I just want to be clear. Let's talk about it.

He's a rebel right now. I never like to do that. He went so hard. I never like to do that. He's a bodybuilder. He's a hubbub. He's a bodybuilder. I like that to me, guys.

I got it. No, I did. I won one just a couple of years ago for this remix thing that I did. They had a category for a remix, and I did the remix. Oh, dope. Yeah, it happened. Congrats. It's crazy.

It's funny that you didn't want to. You feel like we're picking it up and shit. I don the remix. Oh, dope. Yeah, it happened. Congrats. It's crazy. It's funny that you didn't want to, like you feel hyper like picking it up and shit. I don't, yeah. Nah, hell yeah. How does that feel? We actually, well,

you can, let's go. You got two. Grammys. Your Grammys. How do you feel about it? Oh, we didn't finish answering one of the earlier questions.

Let's go. Yeah, bring it back to it. That's what we do. And if anybody has to take a piss, because you've been drinking a lot of water, here at Drink Chance, you just get up and go take a piss over there. No problems.

But you asked us about doing something with the Beatles. Oh, okay. So we did Collision Chorus with Jay. And part of that climate around that time was Danger Mouse did the... Grey album. The Grey album, which is the Beatles.

Yes, yes. And then we're like, okay, they're asking us to perform because we're nominated, which is a good sign that something might happen. And then we're like, oh, how do we top this off? And we're like, oh, wait, what if we get a Beatle? So we ended up bringing Paul McCartney out on the song. But the crazy part was that we asked him, we came up with the idea like, okay, well, this brings it full circle, right?

Like this... By the way, can I stop you for a second? Please remember, I just love how y'all guys, it's just so cool. Not Shalon about it. Talking about the most legendary... Yo, I just love this shit. Like I'm sitting there, my heart is like this. And you guys are talking about the most legendary shit in the most calmest way

I'm so sorry please continue I will say the the word itself is great but like the experience of doing that it allows you to do these things and that's what it's all about and on top of that you know we asked

we we had done the collision course thing with jay we did a couple performances like we had gone on stage with him a couple times uh the record was did what it did it was great people really liked it um and jay was ready to jay was starting retirement he He was retired. So we had the idea to do this full circle. Like, oh, the mashup thing was big. Now it's coming to a close. And so let's bring it back to the beginning of it and do something with Paul McCartney and Jay. And so first we went to Paul's people and asked if he would be interested. Because if he's not going to be interested, then the conversation's over.

But he said yes. We were like, okay, cool. And then we went to Jay and said, are you interested? And they said no. And we were like, what? And obviously shocked. And they were like, no, he retired. Like, he's not making music anymore.

He's not going to get on stage. He just wants to be the, he's doing the Def Jam thing. He's just going to do that. He's the president. Yeah, he was the president of def jam and he just wants to be the executive not an artist right and so for us we were like no you don't understand like this is like this is a big deal right it's the grammys it's paul whatever so eventually they they he made an exception because it was such a big thing that he made an exception that's a huge thing.

Huge. And then, I mean, we had to, like, you know, plead our case. And then we go to the rehearsals for it. And the way this man, Paul McCartney, like Sir Paul, right? Sir Paul. He's a knight. Yeah, he's been knighted. He's literally Sir Paul McCartney.

The way this man comes in and talks to people and acts, I kid you not, like we did the rehearsals, camera blocking and just practices. And he came off the stage and he saw this guy standing against the wall, like he was holding a broom. He was just kind of like staring. And Paul leaves everybody and goes over there and just has like a one-on-one conversation with a man who was literally the janitor. And he sat there and talked to him for 10 minutes, just made that guy's whole life. Like it was, it was like, you see stuff like that and you go, that's how to be right. That's like, this is the man's,

he's giving us a lesson in like, if you were to ever even conceivably be a portion as famous and important as he is like this is how you treat people you'd hope he'd be like that because the era that they came up in and the whole like hippie movement yeah they were about that like they were freeness you know like yeah so you would hope that that piece of love and all that yeah i think i i that's the way that was the experience I got dope that's dope that's legendary it was crazy man I I just

I'm blown away that you guys came here man like I'm really so ecstatic and happy because

you guys are legends man thank you man you guys are out of this fucking world your accolades the things that you've done and the fact that y'all came

to drink champs and he's gonna drink Japanese whiskey with me and I did not know you was Japanese by the way is there any hip hop artists past and today Actually both That you guys would love to like

Do a collab with Oh my god so many So many Well give me like a top five Yeah My top five What comes to mind Beastie Boys

Comes to mind Wu-Tang comes to mind Kendrick I'd say Tyler Tyler the Creator actually oh yeah Andre Andre 3000 Wow yeah Andre I most recently Andre like came I was on I was like just I had it on random in my phone and that's this Andre song with Rick Ross came on. I don't remember what song it is, but Andre's verse is like, it's so crazy.

It's that one that ends with, the fan comes up and says, boring? Boring? Really? The whole idea being he pours his heart into these verses, and then in the end, doesn't really care. I was like, wow. Andre is one of the illest MCs of all time. He's incredible. I really seen Andre playing the flute

by himself. You actually witnessed him physically doing it? In Brooklyn. Nah. So who else? Did you ask for a female artist on my list? Yes. I want a female artist on your list. I should put a female artist on. That's fair.

That's fair. What made you add a female to the group? If I made a female-only list, then it would be... He ready. He ready. Let's go. Oh, that's a good point. Well, let's just say female rappers, because I'd put Lauren near the

top. Yep. Actually, I love Rod Diga. Do you know Rod Diga? Yeah. Jean Grey. I could hear Jean Grey. Flip mode squad. Flip mode squad. You know who Rod Diga is?

Really? Really? I like that. Really? He's not in the podcast. This is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So who are you? This is your top five female artists?

I don't know. This is not my top five. I think it's number two. This is not my top five ever. This is just number two. This is not my top five ever. This is just like what comes to mind. Okay, what comes to mind? I also remember when I was a kid, I heard Queen Latifah for the first time. I was like, she's so confident, and she's not like selling sex, and she's not selling

that. She's like a real, I don't know. She felt like a, yeah. She felt like a role model. Yeah. That was three? And she is a role model. Yeah. That was three? And she is a role model.

So where are we at? We're Rod Digger. Oh, yeah. She was. We're Rod Digger. Really? I threw Jean Grey. I think I could hear Jean Grey with you guys. So we like Rod Digger, Queen of the Sea, but lower hell. What about that Australian girl? Oh, um.

Is he? Stop. Stop. I think Isaiah Banks got bars. Oh, Dolce. Why is it Dolce? Yeah, Isaiah Banks. Dolce. Is it a fucking? Dolce's part. I should Azealia Banks got bars. Oh, Dochi. Why is it Dochi? Yeah, Azealia Banks. Dochi. Is it a fucking... Dochi's part. I should have said Dochi.

Oh, Dochi's off the chain. I should have said Dochi earlier. She's Andre 3000 of the woman. She's crazy. Yeah, no, she's ill. She's done. She's Andre meets Tyler, the creator, but better as a female. Yeah, I felt like...

I like that analogy. I agree with you. Yeah, Dochi's a great woman. I agree with my friend EFN totality. That's a big word for me to use. Spell it. Never. So you gave us four.

You gave us four, right? You gave us four, right? He owes one more or two more? One more. Female more? One more. Female. Oh, shit. Who, Joe? I have to look at my phone.

You better start your list. I feel my hard drive is like... Yeah, it's hard. Lady of Rage. It's hard because I love Lady of Rage. Who? Rhapsody's Elb, yeah. Rhapsody's Elb.

Right. Are you Googling shit? No, I'm just looking at my... This is my playlist. Okay. You got a real... Okay. Are you Googling shit? No, I'm just looking at my, this is my playlist. Okay. You got a real, okay. I got all kinds of playlists. All right.

Who's new? Like, don't you? Remember, this is a top five. And I'm sure there's a ton of dope new artists that we're not thinking of right now. So many, so many. I feel like there's a lot of good ones. Of course, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

You got to pick what you want, Mike. Doja's dope. What do you think, Joe? What are your top? Who do you want to collaborate with? I ain't going to lie to y'all. I just wanted to throw this out there. This is also a great coffee shop, Mike and Joe's.

Oh, Joe. Wait, I want to go to that place. No alcohol, Mike and Joe's. They call it a cup of Joe, by the way. It's a cappuccino. I want a cappuccino. And you got to have turntables there, too. It's got to be like a high-five.

It's a vinyl bar. It's a vinyl bar. That's a coffee shop I want to go to. Yeah, I'm in. Let's go. Drink to that. You want to take a drink to that? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yes, yes. I want to take a drink to that. Yes. Oh, so I got to pour again? Go ahead, man. I did see a line that people are... You don't got your drink ready, bro? You're out of respect right now.

No, I drank all my drinks already. No, bro. You're not ready, man. Oh, all right. It's okay. No problem, my brother. Yeah. I just came from Tampa doing a 5K.

He ran all the way from Tampa, and then he got a middle. The running thing is crazy. The running thing is crazy. I wish I could. No, I like. Okay. You remember you said the thing about being allergic to cats? Yeah.

I grew up with asthma. Okay. I was super allergic to cats. Seems like a sick excuse. I thought you were going to say you were allergic to running. No, no, I went to, yeah, I'm allergic. That's about to take his answer. That's much funnier. But I had like asthma all the time.

So like running, running like maybe is like harder. The guy with the pump. Used to be. But I've got like scar tissue in my lungs. So like breath control on stage damn that's is a thing like i always have to be very conscious of how i'm doing in terms of like i'm in my mind as i'm performing i'm thinking like okay am i am i running on empty a little bit like slow down a little bit so you have enough to sketch so you've had episodes i have verses where that's your your part. Okay, my bad. All right.

But it's medicinal, right? It's medicinal. It's super good for asthma. It's super great. It's great. That's what they say. It cures bronchitis as well. Cures it. Yeah.

I'm going to be honest, man. Don't lie to us. I really appreciate you brothers for coming here. I appreciate you brothers for doing this. I'm going to take another shot with you. Okay. This is Japanese whiskey. Cheers. I did not know that you were

Japanese. What did you say? Japanese? Japanese. Japanese. This is a slang. It's a Y. It's a Y. Japanese. Have you been to Japan? I mean, I'm assuming you have, but like, have you followed your roots in Japan? Do you have family there? You know, it is funny. I've never been to Japan? I mean, I'm assuming you have, but like, how is, like, have you followed your roots in Japan?

Like, do you have family there? You know, it is funny. I've never been to the town. And you as well with Korea. I've never been to the town where, I don't even know if, I didn't have a, wait, I'll tell you this.

The town where my family came from, which is in, Okinawa? It's down there. Jesus Christ. No, he's wrong, not wrong. I thought he saw the karate kid and wanted to go straight to Okinawa.

He didn't go straight, Mr. Miyagi just now. Mr. Miyagi. That's okay. That's okay. That's it. By the way, growing up, I love Pat Morita. I love Mr. Miyagi. Go ahead.

Yeah, my family's from down south, which is more close to there. The Miami of Japan? He said down south. Literally, literally, yeah. It's more humid. It's warmer. Like fishing villages and stuff like that. That's where they were from.

I haven't been there. My brother, I have a brother. He went down there. Told me everything's okay. I was number one in Okinawa for seven years. You know what they call me? Noricha. Noricha.

Noricha. Wait, what was number one? I was, I was. What song he's saying? What song? What, what, what, what? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

From that until... Was it because of the military base or was it the local population? Oh, that's a great question. I love that you know that. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Okinawa has a big U.S. military base. You know what?

That's a great question. And you know what? For people that's traveling outside of the U.S. that you still want to actually be a part of the U.S., that's all you have to do is tap into the fucking military. Which is a big problem over there locally. That's a problem? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think that was a problem.

There's issues there with the base and things happening. It's a post-World War II thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can't have a military. Recently? I don't know. It's a long time. I don't think it's like a...

They would like the base to leave the local population. Oh. Yeah, yeah. There's issues. I'll get that. There's issues with the soldiers. We played down there. We played down there one time.

It's really funny to play down there because in Okinawa, I don't remember the name but we played near a base and the local Japanese population is much shorter than the white Marines or whatever they are like soldiers there and so the crowd looks like it looks like this these are the short Japanese people

and I think the Okinawans are supposed to be taller than regular mainland Japanese we played that show and it's like there's five Japanese people this tall, and there's one white guy that's this tall. And it's just the entire crowd. You've got these white heads sticking out because that's who lives there. It's like all these Japanese people who are shorter

and the white people who are taller. It's a funny show to play. And Korea, have you guys had a chance to play? Yeah, we played Korea last October, right? That's part of our launch and hitting many places in different continents around the world. And then we just played two nights in Tokyo. And you haven't been able to follow your roots and go to... No, not too deeply.

Most of my family moved to the States. So you got no family with or nothing? Just some distant relatives. Okay. He's American, dude. What are you trying to do right now? Listen, I went to Cuba. I followed my roots.

It's hard for me to go to Africa. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're Puerto Rican too. Yeah, no, Puerto Rican. We don't even know where to go. It's called Puerto Rico. Exactly. It was funny when we were talking about Super Thug.

Really? So what was your experience with Pharrell? How did that unfold to you? I love how you switched it on me. I respect you so much. It's crazy because now that I've had so much historical moments in my life I can actually see

one of the early ones and I can see how I saw it back then Pharrell was destined to be who he's going to be he's going to be. He's going to be Chad Hugo as well. But when he gave me that CD

and he said, don't listen to this shit until you get to Miami. And I did it and I was at the Kent Hotel. When I listened, I just knew that life,

I just knew it. I just knew it. I just heard it, and I wrote this shit immediately, and I went right back to New York. Right track, recording studios, 47th Street. Believe Madison. I don't know if it is. And I went, and I recorded that whole track straight. But you got it in Miami, right?

The beat. Yeah, damn. No, because the reason why I say that whole track straight. But you got it in Miami, right? The beat. Yeah, I understand. No, because the thing is, the reason why I say that is because I always felt. No fucking want to get Miami is they cry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sonically, sonically, when he came out with Super Thug, we hadn't met yet. No, no, I did. Because I met you.

I met you. It was on the CNN run. But still, when he came out with that record, the bounce on it felt very Southern, very relatable to us. I didn't know. Like that bounce. Like it felt, that bounce was there. And I was like, oh, that's not coming out of New York.

And he was doing that. Yeah, and now I live in the South. So y'all won, all right. I have a funny, I have a weird, I think the first time I ever, like, so we going way back to like the first record, it was probably before we ever got signed. We were probably just doing demos at this point.

My friend, do you remember BuzzTone Records? Yeah. BuzzTone. So I had a friend who worked at BuzzTone and he invited me to a couple sorry you just got a shot i got a shot it's just like just because let's do it bro i'm in yeah to buzz town i've been calling people bro and dude for a whole week no bro bro we miami bro i know i can't tell if you're if you're from la or if you're just like a millennial. Wait, no, what is it?

It's like Gen Alpha. Gen Alpha? I left Bergkraisner, Jelly Roll. And I'm like, I've been white for a week. Just letting y'all know. I've been full-fledged white. Full-fledged, huh? Full-fledged.

All right. I'm so sorry. So we were not signed with whatever it just like trying to get experiences and my friends had come to this uh video shoot just for fun and i think i think the first one i went to was a funk dubious shoot with uh yeah funk dubious corrupt was in that was the feature and i loved with funk dubious yeah they had this random in the bay poppy chulo that wasn't on their album though i think it was was it yeah i haven't heard in a that was the feature. And I loved it. With Funk Dubious? Yeah, they had this random Papi Chulo. That wasn't on their album, though,

was it? I think it was. Was it? Yeah. I haven't heard in a long time. I was at the video shoot for Papi Chulo. But that record,

the whole album was dope. I was like, and Corrupt was so fucking dope. No, Corrupt was one of those MCs at that time, like, coming out. So I went to that, and I was like,

oh, Chris, can I get it? Like, do you have any other? Later, I was like, any other video shoots coming up that I could go to? And he said, yeah, we have one for the Alcoholics coming up. And I was a big Alcoholics fan. So he's like, you know, Linkin Park had kind of started happening. And so he's like, can you get, can we get you, we got the dude from the singer from this band called Deftones that we love.

Chino was going to be in it. We got you. He's like, have you heard of this dude named Pharrell? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I think so. He was kind of newer at the time. Like I wasn't super familiar. And so there it's a super weird track. I don't even know if it's still like, if you could put up, pull it up on YouTube or Spotify or whatever, but on YouTube, you'd see that the video had a cameo by me. I think there was somebody else. And Chino from Deftones and Pharrell playing as the house band at this frat party that J-Ro and Tash are rapping at.

It was the weirdest shit. Even to hear it come out of my mouth, I'm like, who put this together? If you did this 10 years later, it'd be like a very expensive video. Right. But at the time, we were all, everyone was just kind of, like,

starting to, like, their careers were all starting. Except for the licks. The licks were all already established. That's why it was their song. You guys ever did anything with alcoholics? No,

no. I don't think I've, even that day, I didn't really meet, I think I met, I think I talked to Tash for like a minute. Can I connect y'all for future collaboration? I mean... Because Tash is on it right now.

He's killing it. Really? Yeah, they're coming out with... The Alcoa's coming out with a new album. Incredible. That's good to hear. I would love to connect y'all. I love the Alcoa.

Yeah. Yo, you know what's crazy? I'm sorry. I have so many notes, but I know you guys got a flight yeah I haven't but thank y'all I really want to thank y'all because

think about it we're all one I love doing these type of these type of interviews I love connecting with people that don't know that we're connected. And I want to thank y'all

once again, man. We gave them their flowers. Let's take these great pictures, right? And if you want to take us for some champagne, would you? I'll take some champagne. We'll take some champagne.

It's our singer Emily's birthday coming up tomorrow, so we'll take some champagne. Oh, man. I don't know if she'll drink it, but... Shout out to the whole band, man. Yes, yes, yes, please. You can put it in your luggage. Oh, so the other girls know.

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