Drink Champs - Episode 457 w/ RZA

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Starting point is 00:02:54 Yappy yapper. Make some noise. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

Starting point is 00:02:59 Woo! Woo! Woo! And right now, I want to tell you, arguably, this is probably one of the the, if not the best, one of the greatest hip hop or producers overall of all time. The man can make anything. He can produce movies, make scores.

Starting point is 00:03:19 He can produce, your producer's producer producer. That producer is the other producer. They look up to him. He has put together one of the most legendary groups of all times. There will never be another. There was never one before, and there will never be another one after.

Starting point is 00:03:41 They are the Alpha and Omega. It's a person that I look up to in a lot of ways. If it wasn't for what they did in hip hop, it wouldn't have trickled down to what people did after that in hip hop and that led to me. So in a lot of ways, this is his show regardless, if he claims it or not. In case you don't know what we talking about,

Starting point is 00:04:03 we talking about Bobby motherfucking Digital, Prince Rahimem, motherfucking, The RZA, The Abbey! Motherfuckin' Abbey! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Man, I ain't gonna lie to you,

Starting point is 00:04:14 we've been trying to get you from the beginning, you know what I mean? Because of, but I'm gonna tell you something, and I know I'm bouncing around, but I'm gonna tell you something. I was in Paris two days prior to Wu and Nas coming to Paris. So I looked at my wife and I was like, it's no way I'm in Paris and I'm gonna leave

Starting point is 00:04:34 knowing that the brothers is coming. I was like, we gotta stay two more days. So she's like, no problem. I went and I tried to like be like incognito, right? Cause I wanted to like actually see the show like as a fan. When I tell you, and I'm not saying this, I'm just cause I say this when they not around. That's arguably the best show, not hip hop show.

Starting point is 00:04:56 The best show I've ever seen. That's right. Right? Let me break it down for you. Why I'm sitting here as a fan, Steve Rivkin is trying to just grip me to the back and I'm like, I don't wanna go to the back. I actually want the regular seat.

Starting point is 00:05:10 I wanna sit down, the people was recognizing me. I was like, not today, motherfucker. Like the fans was like, I'm not going today. Like I'm a fan. So what I didn't know was y'all shared the stage. It's really a Wu-Tang N show, Nas Wu-Tang show. It's not like one is opening up for each other. Who came up with that idea and how did this come about?

Starting point is 00:05:32 No, in the beginning, me and Nas both talked about this has to be a cold headline. We're not opening up for each other. That doesn't make sense. So from the beginning, we thought of that, but then the idea was like, now how to bring that to reality. And you know, I make movies and film and stories.

Starting point is 00:05:52 And so I was like, you know, I got some ideas. And then I built with the garden. And you know, now I said it, what? What, the Rizzo gonna direct the tour? Right, right, right. I was like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we and so we, you know, we just built it like that and whoever else came involved,

Starting point is 00:06:09 because Busta was on that one. Yeah. Was Busta or Dayla? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Because I know we had Busta and Dayla, we was rotating. Yeah, that was the next one.

Starting point is 00:06:17 Right, but point being made is that no matter who came on that tour, the idea was that we're not moving as a competition with each other, we're moving as a movement. Like the goal is for the audience to be entertained by the hip hop culture. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:06:34 So we're not never trying to outdo each other or none of that, you know what I mean? The music, the vibe, the energy is like, you in Paris, we taking you back to New York. You know what I mean? When we hit London, Dublin, this is to New York. Right. You know what I mean? When we hit London, Dublin, this is the New York state of mind. Right.

Starting point is 00:06:49 So the tour was called New York state of mind, right? Cause didn't you do two tours? Yeah, we did two rounds. And it was both called New York state of mind? Okay, my bad. And so, so the funny thing though is, Naslin pitched the idea of New York state of mind. That's my idea.

Starting point is 00:07:03 Oh wow. That's his song. You know what I mean? But I'm like, yo, we moving like this with the woo and Nas, that's the New York State of Mind. Right. I'm saying some of my woo brothers was like, that's dope, but how about woo York State of Mind?

Starting point is 00:07:19 Right, right, right. Change it up. New York State of Mind. Yeah, yeah, I said non-cypher, non-cypher. Like, nah, nah, New York State of Mind is perfect. You know what I mean? Then we what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I said non-cypher, non-cypher. Like, nah, nah, New York state of mind is perfect. You know what I mean? Then we doing Buster came, same thing. Everybody know that at the end of the day,

Starting point is 00:07:32 hip hop is gone worldwide and does what it does, but it still has its mecca. It still has its foundation. Yeah, that's New York. You know what I mean? So. Top that shit, Rizzo, go ahead. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Look at that shit, Rizzo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, it has its mecca. You know what I mean? Tell them that shit, Rizzo. Go ahead. We can't hear you. Look at that shit, Rizzo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. How's it's making? You know what I mean? And so that tour was the 50th year anniversary of Hip Hop itself. So it was like, yo, let's go New York.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Let people feel what that is. And you guys sequenced it like a mix tape almost. Yeah. That's what I felt like. I felt like it was a mix tape. Was that on purpose? And a play. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:08:04 A mix tape and a play had a baby. You're right though. It was theatrical, it was ups, downs. I mean, we found, so we found what I would say is, we found points of connection that happens, right? So thanks to Nas and Mobb Deep and Rayquan and Gosha and the songs they did together, right? Thanks for the Cuba Link album,

Starting point is 00:08:24 which had that song, Rbal Intercourse, right? And another song they did over the years, we had Intersection Marks. Connecting the dots. Yeah, so I mean, so it was like, so Nas came out on Verbal Intercourse, you know what I mean? And then when he came out, it was still part of the rule set,

Starting point is 00:08:39 but then we transitioned away and he goes into it. And then he gets back to Alpha and I, and then Ray Kwan joins him on that. Then he brings Ghost and Cap, but then we transition it back and forth. And it just was like tag team relay race. You know what I mean? And that, you got to give grace to Nas too,

Starting point is 00:08:59 because it's like, it's almost like he's holding it down with nine other people. Like, this shit is hard. Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, Nas is one of the greatest. Of course. But also in that capacity, though, we was all one. That's right, I love that.

Starting point is 00:09:13 I love that. He was like, yo, I'm the 10th or 11th member, whatever, 20th member, that's how many of us were. But at that time, it was like, Nas, we just, and you know what, when we were saying to each other, I don't mind, you know, this is a show where people come and talk and they open up, right? When we were saying to each other backstage,

Starting point is 00:09:32 you know what I mean, even with Buss and everybody who joined throughout the process was like, this is just good for the culture, it's good for black men to see all this alpha energy work together. Not compete, not fighting over this or squandering over this. Not arguing over the economics and none of that. It's like, it's good, it's a good model for the rest of the world to see.

Starting point is 00:09:55 That was like our backstage talk. We knew that, yo, this is kind of like what the community needs to be doing. You know what I mean? Get off of that, if they call it black on black, white on white or whatever. You know what I mean? We're going Right, right. You know what I mean? Get off of that, if they call it black on black, white on white or whatever, you know what I mean? We going love on love, you know what I mean? You know what's the beauty about that,

Starting point is 00:10:10 that I got to see? And like I said, I was sneaking backstage at first until y'all were performing, and then after y'all performed, I kind of like revealed. But what I got to see is each individual grow. Like I remember going backstage, I remember seeing Raying ghosts on one side and you got a cat on one side.

Starting point is 00:10:30 Like it used to be like, like almost like a, like, like, I don't know if it was like Park Hill and Stapleton and Brooklyn. I don't know like when I got to see it this time, like I guess this is everyone coming together as grown men and understanding, I got to see the love. Like, I got to really see like y'all as brothers.

Starting point is 00:10:51 And like, I'm sitting there like, holy shit, like, because I'm still a fan. Then because I'm your friends, like I consider family too, like I'm still a fan. So I'm sitting there and just watching y'all and I just see how happy y'all are when y'all together. When y'all together, like that shit is like, I know I'm an outsider, but I can see that shit

Starting point is 00:11:10 and I can be like, yo, like, cause when y'all get together, do y'all reminisce of the beginning or y'all reminisce, y'all staying in the future? You never know though, you know what I mean? But it's the beautiful thing, there's so much history and the history is so intertwined, right? Like you say, you know, to the degree of, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:31 children, like my sister got children by ghosts, you know what I mean? And- Like the family tree is crazy, you know? Meth, wife, and you guys, you know, first mother of his seed, the sisters, it's like, there's this, you know what I mean? Me and Rayquan, third grade together, it's like, you know, the community of his seed, the sisters. It's like, this, this, this. You know what I mean? Me and Ray Kwan, third grade together. You know, the community of it all, I think is what keeps it

Starting point is 00:11:51 everlasting. That's why Wu-Tang forever. And I just think that at any given moment, you don't know which one of your brothers got that spark of Chi. That's what you needed. Right. Right. You know what I mean? I might be on a high mountain thinking, you know, whatever, this is on some business shit, you know what I mean? But I needed to see you God that day. Right.

Starting point is 00:12:11 You know what I mean? Just because my shoes start getting too pointy. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, hold on God, you gotta round them off a little bit, you gotta get too pointy on your shoes. So it's like, still sharp and still, you know what I mean? And that's what we do for each other.

Starting point is 00:12:26 I think, I know, I ain't gonna say I think. It's like every time that Voltron comes together, you know what I mean? You get to form that blazing sword, you know what I mean? So, bong, bong. And now you guys are going into the new tour. Yeah, the new tour, which we called the final chamber. And that's going back to like us,

Starting point is 00:12:45 running around the globe one more time together. Right. called The Final Chamber, and that's going back to like us, you know, running around the globe one more time together. You know what I mean? We touched the globe, yo. You know what I mean? And you gotta think about, you know, you MC hip hop, all the success that hip hop gave us, and it's like, do you go back and give back to all the people that actually,

Starting point is 00:13:03 through their consumption of your material, allowed you to put your son through college or allowed you to be up in your 5,000 square feet or whatever, you know what I mean? How do you go back and will you go back? You know what I mean? And for us, it's hard to get us all together regardless because of that, but this is all part of a plan.

Starting point is 00:13:21 You know what I mean? One thing that I strive to do is plan ahead. So- But you planned the 30 year plan? You knew what I mean? One thing that I strive to do is plan ahead. But you planned the 30 year plan? You knew that y'all would be here 30 years later? That's what I said though. Okay. That's what I just say.

Starting point is 00:13:31 And you can vouch this from another brother in the two team. I said, when we came, based on the energy we was bringing, the talent level, the unorthodox, that you for the universal, that W for that wisdom, what we was bringing. I said, I don't see nothing coming like this,

Starting point is 00:13:51 gonna take 25 years, 20 years before the system itself starts to catch up. Yeah. I think it's 20 years before it was like, okay, now there's the talent level of others all starting at that talent level. And then I said, well, maybe I said, when that happens though, our plane is gonna land.

Starting point is 00:14:12 I said, now we can land like this, or we can land like this. If we land like this, you know what I mean? That's 25, 30 years, yeah. And that's what we, we on this one, baby. This is no nose job. Let me just, let me know, I'm gonna let you know if you know this expression. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Whenever a person, people have like, you know, a commodity, like it's a bunch of people and people say, yo, you know, we're gonna break it up and put this person over there, this person there. You know what people call it? That. That's misery. Bum bum. You this person over there, this person there. You know what people call it? That's Rizzerick. Ha ha, bum bum. You know that?

Starting point is 00:14:48 Nah, I know that. That's a good industry talk. Because you gotta remember, y'all the first group ever in existence that had one record label with the whole group and then pieced off each, that shit is genius. Octopus. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah, that's crazy. Hold on, let's take a shot with that. Okay, salut. Salut. What is this, what is this? I like that you got more too. Okay, okay. All right, so we're drinking sake today. All right, so the reason why we're drinking sake,

Starting point is 00:15:16 I watched the show, I don't know if you drank, would you drink, but. Yeah. It's only two liquors. I like this. That gives you an upper. Okay. All right, one is tequila. Yes. And the you an upper. Okay. All right?

Starting point is 00:15:25 One is tequila. Yes. And the other is sake. Okay. Now, sake, though, doesn't have ethanol, alcohol in it. This is fermented, all right? So, this fermentation meaning you don't get no headache and all that. So, this is, if you go and drink this-

Starting point is 00:15:38 Not an abominable fluid. No abominable fluid. Okay, okay. We don't even drink that. So, fermentation, I was like, what does that mean? We ran into each other a few times after the day. You and Bernard and Mama. What were you up to?

Starting point is 00:15:49 Oh, I was like, I'm sorry for you. Anyway, sake. Sake. Cheers. Cheers. Oh, that's smooth. Yeah, it is smooth. So, let me ask you. You gotta keep it on ice, though.

Starting point is 00:16:02 Keep it on ice, yeah. Can we get the ice ice? Put the ice. Yes, we got to get full-fledged sake lessons. It's called heavenly sake, right? Oh, this particular sake, yeah. Sorry. Sake on you, put the bucket here, or is it OK? How about put some ice in there and put it like that?

Starting point is 00:16:17 That's right. Yeah, there you go. Like, give us that bottle service. Yeah, yeah, there you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. I'm only joking.

Starting point is 00:16:26 It's all good. So, because me, as a person, I was trying to get into the industry. I was a young kid. I was probably like, what was it? Who sang the first album? The first album was 93. I have the flyer from the first Miami show in 94. Wow. That's dope.

Starting point is 00:16:49 So me, I was too young to understand. I thought all of y'all was on the same label when people was like, no, idiots. I mean, yeah, they really did. You mean when the individual projects were done? Yes, when I, first off, when I see meth on the bus, what was that? Oh yeah, Brain The Pain. Brain The Pain. Now, Brain The Pain wasn't on 36 Change, right?

Starting point is 00:17:10 That was his first scene. That was his own shit, right? On Death Jam. Yes, on Death Jam. I was confused, because I'm like, why they ain't got that logo? What the hell? Right, right, the loud logo.

Starting point is 00:17:18 The loud logo, yeah. So, this is, I sort of go, I don't even think I'm asking this for the fans. I think I'm asking this for myself. But what made you say, you know what, everyone puts their, what's that shit, put their peas in the same bucket, or? Right, all your eggs in one basket.

Starting point is 00:17:35 Eggs in one basket, that's what I meant. So what made you say, was that the plan, or is that how it developed? It was the plan as well as the evolution of the plan. So what I mean by that is that at the end of the day, I cannot put it, I don't like to talk too much about the street hustle side of things, right? But coming from a street hustle, right?

Starting point is 00:17:59 What you need mostly in the street hustle is what? A connect, all right? So once you got the connect, then you could kind of be up in the building. Right? So loud is the connect. Right. Right. So we so loud, you know, at the time, you know, Steve Rifkin, of course, being an intelligent executive, one of the best executives, because Steve Rifkin was an executive that didn't get interfered with the art. Right. His job was to market it and do it. And he was a young dude at the time into hip hop. Yeah, but your job was to cook it,

Starting point is 00:18:28 his job was to serve it, you know what I mean? But he didn't have, at the time, the business couldn't sustain all of us. We knew that, you couldn't take this. Even if somebody were to do an M, and hip hop wasn't getting no Ms back then, but even an M ain't gonna feed this whole family. So the idea was like, well, let's make the connect with him.

Starting point is 00:18:50 Okay, make that a piece of business, but then make connects with other partners throughout the industry, right? So that we can first economically be able to maintain the organization. And then, so that's the economic decision. The creative decision was this. So I'm a guy in the industry

Starting point is 00:19:08 that came through the industry and failed, right? According to how you would say success would be. We work with Prince Joaquin. Yeah, we invented the Prince Joaquin EP. You know what I mean? You know, 10, 20,000 units wasn't enough to hit that threshold. Even though right now, 10,000 to 20,000 units right now

Starting point is 00:19:24 is like you popping. No, no, no, no, you popping now. No, yeah, yeah. It went backwards. It went backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that, yeah. And you were a major.

Starting point is 00:19:32 What was the, I was on Tommy Boy. I was on Tommy Boy. Tommy Boy. They were still independent. Independent major, indie major, like a major indie, right. But the gag for me was, you know, I had to hit a certain number in order to get that album budget.

Starting point is 00:19:42 Right. I didn't hit that number, Tommy Boy. I didn't get that album budget. Wow, you had a threshold you had to meet. certain number in order to get that album budget. Right. I didn't hit that number. Tell me, boy. I didn't get that album budget. Wow. You had a threshold. You had to meet a threshold. So the point being made is that, but I had a chance also to see the industry in a way that it was just dog eat dog.

Starting point is 00:19:55 Mm-hmm. You saw it for what it was. Yeah. But I said in my psyche, that, yo, what if I get the industry to work together all All for my play. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? So I intentionally was like, if Def Jam have somebody,

Starting point is 00:20:11 if Geffen has somebody, if Warner Electra have somebody, BMG Loud have somebody, you know what I mean? Eventually went West Coast and got priority to get something. The industry is almost unintentionally. Working on your behalf. Working on the behalf of Wu-Tang. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:31 So let me ask you, I'm sorry to cut you off because I really don't. You follow me on that though? Yeah. Okay. But that's not illegal, right? No, that ain't illegal. No, that was by design.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Like that, were you the one asking? No, but wait, were you? You said that's illegal. No, because what I'm saying is like, you know, when a group is signed, it's like, I wouldn't have known. Oh, no, no, because see, now that's in our industry. Because they were just Wu-Tang was signed, not Method, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Okay. In our industry, you don't want that to happen. Let's close the cards to that, right? And I don't want to get too deep on the business, right? Okay. I want to spend more time building with you than talking about the business, right? But I will say the beauty of it, let me say the beauty of it,

Starting point is 00:21:08 is that after Wu-Tang 36 came, Method Man, all these sisters going platinum, bro, you know what I mean? And then the last album to come in that first swing of the solo albums was just the Liquid Swords, right? And when he came, by the time he came, you got Electra, Loud, Death Jam, and now Geffen, and even G Street, because remember, we had the gold

Starting point is 00:21:33 albums with Grape Diggers. Back in those days, you had to buy floor space in the record stores, called POP. And you had to buy that in order, you know, to get your records there. All five labels put their money together to have Wu-Tang in the front. And put the Wu-Tang tree in the front, boy. All right?

Starting point is 00:21:54 That's crazy. And yo, and even though Jizzle was the album that came out and he hit the number one rap album or whatever, right? Everybody who had catalog shit doubled their sales. Like so they say a dude is doing 20, or whatever, right? Everybody who had catalog shit, double their sales. Like so they say a dude is doing 20,000 normally, right? Now you're doing 40, kid, because the industry is combining together. It's like what a playlist would be today.

Starting point is 00:22:15 If someone's popping on the playlist, it runs down the playlist. You know what, I never thought of that. Yeah, it was the first playlist. Right, physical playlist. Right. Now, who was somebody you did business with that you wish you did?

Starting point is 00:22:30 That wish I didn't? Yeah. Hmm, that's a deep question. I got plenty of them. Okay. I like that. You need an example, I got ready. Come on.

Starting point is 00:22:40 Well, I can answer that one quick for you. It was this gentleman by the name of, I think his name was Drock. Okay. It was the first lesson in record business 101 for me, which was he, we were selling protected next by ourselves, right, out of our trunks. Oh wow.

Starting point is 00:22:59 But if you got lucky, you could get it to a one stop. Right, you get it to a one stop, that's like, they may take 5,000 copies. And we was getting them. We was moving units. We moved tens of thousands before we finally got to Loud. Wow. Right, that's what made Loud.

Starting point is 00:23:14 And the one stop is the regional distributors. Exactly. But my man, my man, Rock. Sorry, Noir. My man, Rock, he was representing a one-stop he said and he took you know Let's just say 5,000 copies. Uh, you know, I may and boom we see sold him Huh was it now we coming for the cream. He ain't got the cream, right? You know, I may and this is like word and we don't understand that but this is your friend from the hood

Starting point is 00:23:40 Oh, no, no, this is an industry guy. OK, OK, OK. We selling Moog metal. Moog was like, yo, this guy, he's going to take 5,000 copies. He was like, that's nice. Boom, press those up. Let's go. Let's go. You gave him the work. Yeah, we know.

Starting point is 00:23:53 We going to Rock and Soul. Rock and Soul is hitting us with it. Of course. It's cash. It's cash on delivery. But you gave him a little consignment. His consignment. OK, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:01 It's OK. All right. And he don't pay. Wow. So now you don't pay. Okay, yes, okay. All right. And he don't pay. Wow. So now you don't pay. So now we step in, kind of we step in aggressive, you know that. It's that those young age.

Starting point is 00:24:12 And he was like, it wasn't gonna go well. But with him, who worked with him, was the two brothers who I respect to this day, the Aleem brothers. Aleem brothers, yeah. With the dreads, yes, yes, yes, yes. So they're righteous brothers.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Yeah, they're very righteous. Yes, yes. And they was there. Yes. And they were still being called on me. Yeah, I'm sorry. They said, they advised us. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Cause they couldn't, nobody could stop us. Right. But they advised, like, yo, listen, let this go. Right. You know what I mean? You guys got a whole thing ahead of you. If you go and do what you're gonna do here, it could end here. Because it's like, it could be some gangster shit

Starting point is 00:24:54 and at the end of the day, you're not gonna grow because when you're young, you don't know that, like all the cases that my root brothers had is because being young. And so you don't know that, yo know, like all the cases that my root brothers had is because being young, right? And so you don't know that, yo, you knocked this dude out, you stomped this dude out, that could stop your whole career. That's because your physical aggression. Yeah, so we took advice from him.

Starting point is 00:25:15 But wait, hold up, but how does it get through to you guys in that moment? No, no, because, well, I still negotiated. He had a studio, that was okay, you know what? Pay Us Back in Studio Time. So we had a new, so we found the, we call it a diplomatic solution, which was pay us back in studio, and they did.

Starting point is 00:25:36 The song Method Man that became the next single was done in that studio. We went there and I, and it sounds a little better than protecting X sonically, because I'm now in a real studio with a little SSL and all that. So it had, it had, so it was- This explains a lot.

Starting point is 00:25:55 Yo. In the way sonically it explains a lot. Yeah, so that was, so that was the solution. But doing business with him was like, it almost made me say like, fuck the gang, you know what I mean? Because it's like, I didn't expect somebody to do my package like that. It's like, your package, you give them a package, you bung, bung, bung. So I didn't expect that to happen. None of us did. Me, Power,

Starting point is 00:26:22 Divine at the time, Moog, all of us. But the solution was, that's your diplomat solution. Right. Yeah. So, Maurice Corselly, or Mark Screlli. Oh, Screlli. Oh, he said, you. I like what you went with there. That's what I was trying to say. You said, Maurice Corselly. Yeah. But you knew what I was talking us, though, Mare? Once you put the... You try to put the SK. I tried to sound like Mars. Can't take a shot for that. Hold on, you can't take a shot for Mare.

Starting point is 00:26:54 Oh, no, it's right. Let's skip him. Let's take a shot for the payment. For the guy that intervened. For the most expensive album in history. Yay! Yay! Yay! Nice.

Starting point is 00:27:07 This to me is genius as well, right? How does this happen? Does this guy step to you and say, I want a woo album? No, they created it already. OK, yeah, I'm asking. Yeah, so we talk about this a lot already. So I'm going to go. I know.

Starting point is 00:27:21 OK. I want to hook you. I got so much time with you. OK, let's go. Let's go. I will say this, though, I know, I know. I wanna hook you, I only got so much time with you. Okay, let's go, let's go. I will say this though about it, right? It was an idea that one of my students kind of germinated, right? And it was kind of cohesive with the idea I had,

Starting point is 00:27:38 which was to me, music is art, it should be treated as such, right? At this time, music was being devalued, right. So it was like, nah, we gotta find a way to put value back into it. And people mostly value what they can't have. So then they can't have this. Only one, we're gonna make one copy and you gotta go to a museum to hear it.

Starting point is 00:27:59 That was the ambition of it. So we started soliciting and the funny thing is different millionaires and even billionaires was acting like they was going to buy it. Cause that's the auction business, Sotheby's and Paddleweight, that's what they do, right? But then I met this kid, he was still a kid, and he wasn't famous yet, Mark Skrelin.

Starting point is 00:28:23 Maybe at the time he was probably worth a couple hundred mil. So he was really a baby compared to the other bitters. The other bitters had bills. But he had came to the Little Listening and he heard it. He heard like a little 12 minutes and he was like, yo, whatever he heard, he needs that album, he needs the Enigma time code machine, exactly, right, and the turning papers.

Starting point is 00:28:52 This is all some historical shit. Wait, the Enigma has nothing to do with... Listen, that's what I'm trying to point out. The Enigma from World War II? Yeah. He's getting the last one they got. Like the one that's the last living remnant. Listen, he's getting that, he's getting the turning papers of got. Like the one that's the last living... Listen, he's getting that.

Starting point is 00:29:05 He's getting the turning papers of the guy who designed this shit. This is the guy who made the first computer, arguably. And the Wu-Tang album. That's a hell of a collection. That's dope though. That's a dope... He's going to buy all three of these shits. Right. And so I told him, I said,

Starting point is 00:29:21 yo, you know, this album is like, you know, all albums like our babies. Right. You know what I mean? So you gotta be treating this thing with the highest respect. And that's when he told me I'm gonna do all that. And when he get all three of these things, he said he's gonna become like a powerful man in the world.

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Starting point is 00:33:55 And so he does it, right? And I kind of make the deal with him, right? Then I'm home with my wife and shit, we chillin'. She knows about it and all that. And then he's on the news. And she's like, hey, maybe isn't that the guy that you made the deal with? The guy that-

Starting point is 00:34:13 Did they have a nondisclosure or was it a condom? It was also NDA right now. Okay, it was NDA, okay. And they still working out the deal, you know, all the paperwork shit. But then he shows on TV as the evilest man alive. Cause of prescriptions, right? Like, he was tackling gold medication. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:29 OK, OK. But I'm like, oh shit. Oh, yeah. Boom. But I already had shook hands with him. All right. I already made a deal. So your world is your bond.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So we went through with it. But I did say this to him. I said, bro, you got a lot of bad shit on you Mm-hmm. I Would advise that you take this rule album and do something good. I said maybe just give it to the people

Starting point is 00:34:53 Wow, like I don't know what to do. I said it's a chance for you to do good. He smiled at me and Double down on bad shit He called me for ghost-facing everything down on bad shit. Wow, didn't move that shit. He went in, he went in. He caught B for Ghost Faces every day. That was great. He went in. He went in. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:35:10 And he went in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is on record right now, the album, when it was resold, it was resold for over four million. He bought it for two, resold it for over four, or the government took it, then they auctioned it off. So it's one of those, it appreciates like a house or some shit. It gets more and more valuable over time.

Starting point is 00:35:32 And it did make the Guinness World Records as the most expensive single album in the history. You know what I mean? You said something earlier, you said give it to the people. Is that an option in the contract that they could actually give it to people? He could give it, you can't sell it. Can't sell it. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:52 But the government didn't make that contract with you so they could auction it. Well, the government, no, they, no. Because they got it from him and then they were able to auction it. Right. They could only auction it as a single unit, like a painting. It's almost like an NFT. That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

Starting point is 00:36:05 I was like the first NFT. I was about to say AFT. Yeah, you could say that. It's like the first NFT. It's like even if somebody paint, you got to, it's only one Mona Lisa, yo. Right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:36:16 That's just what it is. I mean, you got people that got the t-shirt. Right. You ever see the real Mona Lisa? That shit is like this small. Yeah. In the Louvre. In the Louvre.

Starting point is 00:36:25 I'm like, yo, the Louvre is trash. Yo, how's what? Where you been, yo? I'm going to Monaco on Sunday. Monaco? Ooh. Yeah. Let's go for that.

Starting point is 00:36:36 How many people from Queens Bridge? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leprack, bro. Leprack. Leprack. Leprack City. Leprack City. You know what I mean.

Starting point is 00:36:44 Because the documentary, right? Where everybody was mad at your brother, Devon. Devon. Right? And then I got to see brothers kick it at, at Wayquarn's wedding. Okay. So, like that was a part of the documentary,

Starting point is 00:37:02 obviously, you know, I'm an outsider looking in. That was a part, like, because Wu-Tang was known to keep family business in family. This is the first time I've ever seen that. But then I see, so me as a person that's like, you know, I got to see that it's love there. But on that Showtime documentary, it looked different. Looked contentious.

Starting point is 00:37:24 What's your explanation for that? Wait, for the way it looks on the documentary? Yes, yes. Editing. OK. OK. OK. I like that.

Starting point is 00:37:34 Let's take a shot with editing. No, no, no. We got the Japanese couple. I mean, the Japanese, look, they somewhat Japanese. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she tried to redeem herself. OK, so you got it. So one other thing with sake, if we man. Yeah, she tried to redeem herself. OK, so you got it. So one other thing with sake, if you're drinking heaven sake,

Starting point is 00:37:48 which is actually a sake that's polished, the rice was polished very fine for this. It's all about how you polish the rice to get the best fermentation. And then also, a French wine master finished this off. That's why it's so smooth. But there's one rule. You can't pour your own sake. So I need you to pour me some. That's why it's so smooth. But there's one rule, you can't pour your own sake.

Starting point is 00:38:05 So I need you to pour me some. That's right. So, yeah, never pour your own sake. Hey, don't do that. No, no, come on. New one. We can take this shot. Cheers.

Starting point is 00:38:16 We can take this one for now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, OK. Bam. I'm sorry if I'm doing all the rules. She's like, this guy. No, we need to learn. No, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:38:24 No, we need to learn. So when no, no, no, no. No, we need to learn. There you go. So when we have motherfucking Jackie Chan come here, I'll shoot it together. I'll shoot it together. You know what I mean? Like yo, RZA taught us, motherfucker. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:38:33 I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. So real quick, in the Showtime documentary, it was talking about how some of the brothers was angry with Devine based on business. Right. And every artist may have been through this, and you are an artist,

Starting point is 00:38:49 so you may be able to relate to this. So the argument with Devine was saying the ghost face was, yo, the ghost face, if I make a million dollars, how much you get? Right? I think Devine said, you know, 20%, 10, 20, maybe 10% because we kept that modest.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Most managers take 20% of your money. Your agent takes 10%. If you make an M, 30% is gone. Right? And Gold said, now fuck that. I want my whole M. So what happens is the artist don't realize that your art definitely increase value, but it's music business.

Starting point is 00:39:31 And so the business side has to go in it. And what feeds that? So if a manager is only getting 10%, you know what I mean? You getting $900,000. You may want your whole joint, but it's like, yo, nah, this is business. And so when you're in that business position, in a way you're looked almost, you're looked down upon in a way.

Starting point is 00:39:53 Because the artist is thinking like, yo, I signed for a million dollars, where's my million? It's like, nah, yo. And forget the manager taking, what the agent taking. And the lawyers too. The lawyer, don't, my man Uncle Sam, and I ain't talking about Sam Jackson. Yeah, yeah. The taxes.

Starting point is 00:40:09 You know that. He coming in like, yeah. Yeah, it's chopping it down. So Devon has always been the business savvy one of us. So when he got out of the system, right, he got a job at the World Trade Center cleaning carpets. Wow. But he was reading all that shit. He got a job at the World Trade Center cleaning carpets. But he was reading all that shit.

Starting point is 00:40:29 You know what I mean? So he was studying all that shit. So he was doing QuickBooks. I'm making beats on my computer. He's doing accounting shit. He's learning managing shit. You know what I mean? And his deal, if you go back and you check,

Starting point is 00:40:44 and I'm not just bigging him up because he's my brother, but if you go back and you check, you know, every company besides Wu-Tang Productions. So Wu-Tang Production, I started that myself, personally. Took my last 10 Gs. I had a choice. I'll share this with you. I had a choice, bro.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Me and Tony had $20,000, right? And the plan was to go hook up with my Uncle Joe and get a break. All right? I just knew Uncle Joe wasn't good. I'm just being like, what the hell? That's my man, though. All right?

Starting point is 00:41:20 Check it out. What you say? It's the way he said Uncle Joe. Called my pops. That's my pops' brother. My pops' first cousin. So we go down and we see Uncle Joe. But at the same time, I got a seed in the oven.

Starting point is 00:41:36 I got knowledge of self that's clear now because I'm not smoking or drinking so my brain waves are super clear. And we down. I'm not a vegan. I knocked out like 17 chicken wings. That's like, you know, I'm in eight legs. I'm going in. It was like, and we talking about it.

Starting point is 00:41:52 It's like, you're boom, you'll get it to North Carolina. I'll get it from North Khaki and bring it to the Paki, right? But on that trip, yo, I decided to leave without it. Came back to New York empty handed, had the money. And I told Tony, like, nah, I'm done. I'm done negative. Right? Because every time we did something negative, something went wrong.

Starting point is 00:42:18 Somebody got locked up, somebody got shot, or you got to get your biscuit. And it says negative breeds negative. And. It says negative, breeze negative. And the Bible says for every negative action you do, I give you one in return. It says, but for every positive action you do, I multiply you by 10. So I was like, yo, I gave Ghost his half, took my half. And I actually told him, I said, yo bro, love you.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Go on with your life, man. Because Ghost is so real, that the way we was going, he would have jumped in front of the bullet. You know what I mean? And I was like, nah, God, I appreciate everything, but go ahead, I gotta figure something out, and I just walked. I walked for days and days and days.

Starting point is 00:42:59 People thought I was going crazy a little bit. But I was fulminating, and I realized what I had to do. I'm gonna give a shout out to Mr. James Smith. He's the father of Melkron. Melkron was my first manager. I'm giving him a shout out because I used to go to his crib and he believed in his son Melkron, so he started a record label called Jamaica Records.

Starting point is 00:43:24 And that's where he had a group called The Divine Force on it, Sir Al Bu and all of them, right? From Pink Houses. But I always went to his house, because I was signed as an artist, I used to borrow $300 for the rent, I stopped scrambling and all that at this time, right? But he always had boxes of records stored in his crib.

Starting point is 00:43:49 And I realized that the record company was his house. The brownstone was the label. Oh, wow. So I took my 10 G's and went and sat down with him, played a few games of chess and said, I wanna start a company. He said, yo, you go talk to Mr. Warren. Mr. Warren, they'll help you. I went to talk to Mr. Bill Warren. We formed the Wu-Tang production.

Starting point is 00:44:09 I put the money in the lawyer, put the money in the bank, formed the company, formed contracts, and then took this idea and stepped to my brothers, like, yo, this is the plan. So before you formed the company, you didn't have them fully signed to you? No. So you had to go to them and convince them that... That was the validation.

Starting point is 00:44:25 First I had to form a company, and then I ain't going to say convince my brothers, I was going to advise my brothers. Right. Because you're not going to go anyway, whether they care about you or not. Yeah, I'll go. I'm going. Straight up. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:44:39 But let's go together. You know what I mean? So look, by myself, at the end of the day, no disrespect to nobody. And I'm a guaranteed gold artist. I got gold Bobby, there's you, those gold gravediggers. With my Wu-Tang brother, I'm multi-platinum. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:44:56 So you knew that? You knew that? Yeah, by myself, I'm a... But together, the community eats. Look how many families eat off of this fucking tree, yo. You know what I mean? So I wanted to share that piece with you because- What was the date that you made the company?

Starting point is 00:45:11 Like around what year? This is probably the company's 92. Okay. Right? And then Protect Your Neck comes out. I make the company first. And then after the company started gearing up equipment, Wayne got Power to join me, gearing up equipment, Wayne got power to join me, help gear up equipment,

Starting point is 00:45:31 gave him and Devine control of management. But I told him nobody takes nobody's publishing, publishing always stay with the artist. I read the book. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, and built it. So the point I was saying by sharing that with you is that the idea to do wrong

Starting point is 00:45:48 was trumped by the idea to do right. And then the idea to do right multiplied my entire family, my entire team. And to this day, right? You think about the Wu-Tang series, right? On Hulu. On Hulu, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Congratulations. Oh, you know, I'll take it now. I got 10 new young men. Right. Actors. Some of them is their first gig. Right? Turning them to millionaires.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah. That's what Wu-Tang is. Just to remind you, we had DMX on the show, right? And DMX, so I said something to him. And DMX said, I stopped dissing rap Whack rappers and I said, oh, yeah watch and he said because every one rapper can feed 16 families So just think about that You funded a whole village, a whole town, a whole city. At least Connecticut. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:45 Oh, yeah. No. No more, Z-Dub. No more, let's make the world a better place. You argued that Wu-Tang had its own economy. You created an economy that was Wu-Tang. Yeah. Nah, that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:46:59 So let me tell you a story that's funny, right? I met you one time at the Wu store. I came to an opening and then I think one time in Mystic Studios and it started out. But then one time we was in a Hit Factory studio. This is, I'm finally getting hot. I'm finally like hot. I was, I don't know how I met you, I was coming up. I'm finally hot.

Starting point is 00:47:22 I'm finally hot. Like it's like the NRE album. I'm steaming. I pull up. I'm finally hot, I'm finally hot. Like, it's like the NRE album, I'm steaming. I pull up, you're already in, you're already, I think you were leaving, I couldn't tell, but it was like 15 of y'all. And I can tell you was zooted out tomorrow. I look, but this is Mizzle, right?

Starting point is 00:47:38 So I'm like, oh shit! But I gotta be cool about it, I gotta be cool, but still this is Mizzle. So you said to me, you said to me, you was like, I made the beat exactly be cool about it. I gotta be cool, but I stillness is with him. Right, right. So you said to me, you said to me, he's like, I made the beat exactly how you wanted it. And I was like, he said, exactly how you told me to do it, I made it. And I'm like, word up.

Starting point is 00:47:55 But it wasn't you. I wasn't making it for you. You never met him. I wasn't making it for you. I met him, yeah, but you wouldn't have made it for me. But he was like, you wanna hear it? I was like, yeah. I came upstairs, but you weren't making it for me. But he was like, you want to hear it? I was like, yeah. I came upstairs.

Starting point is 00:48:06 You played me the most amazing beat ever. Get the fuck out of here. And Trackmaster Tone said, yo, Norrie, give me one second. And I went outside to get one second. And what's crazy about that, Trackmaster Tone introduced me to 50 Cent. Wow. And I turned around, and your van drove off. I was like, oh my God.

Starting point is 00:48:23 How did he get the beat? That's crazy. I never got the beat, man. That's crazy. You don't remember, because you. I was like, oh my God, how did he get the beat? That's crazy. I never got the beat, man. That's crazy. You don't remember, because you know. No, I was here. No, no. Yo, I tell that story all the time, because.

Starting point is 00:48:32 You know what's so crazy, Norm? Back in those days, I just saw the sort of Jizzle will always be filming us. Right? He was going to, he was. Let's take a shot for that beat. OK, shot for that beat. The beat that we never heard of.

Starting point is 00:48:43 We never heard of. Cheers. Cheers. The beat that we never heard of. We never heard of. Cheers. Cheers. The beat don't win no. Yo. Hey, yo, bro. Mm-hmm? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:51 I realize. This is really good, though, by the way. It's good, right? Hold on. Hold on, because now, because you know, at first, I was, you know, I was going to like it whether or not, because you rest it, you know what I'm saying? Like that.

Starting point is 00:49:01 You're going to like it. You're going to rock with me no matter what. I was going to, I was. Oh, shit. I was with the program. No, no, no, Like, I was with the program, but this is actually good. No, no, this is, this is, especially if you drink it in the daytime. You could drink this at lunch and still go back to the office. Because you said this is an upper. It's an upper, exactly. We're not getting soggy face here.

Starting point is 00:49:23 Okay, yeah. You know what I mean? We getting like big back. I'm not gonna lie. You know what I mean? What's up with the rewind? I like, I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? You gotta die a little bit, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:49:34 To live a little bit, sometimes you gotta die a little bit. You know what I mean? I don't like that. You die a little bit. That's not a good slogan. You die a little bit, you live a lot. You know what I mean? Bunker.

Starting point is 00:49:41 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:49:49 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:49:57 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what, you probably, as an artist, right, and you're an artist, of course, right,

Starting point is 00:50:06 but I think like, I mean, I gotta say this, I think like when you're thinking about like, our image, our look and all that, I don't know, like as an artist, you kind of almost like have a responsibility to try to keep your physical, physical and everything almost the same if you can, because like that's the image of your, that's your commodity.

Starting point is 00:50:28 You know what I mean? I mean, if you look at this box right here, I mean, you got the smile and shit. I mean, this is business. This is business. And it's beautiful. I'm proud of it. You gotta send me a couple of boxes.

Starting point is 00:50:41 I got you, I got you. You are good. I told them, I said, I got business here. I'm trying to get business down with the crew. You know what I'm saying? Come on, god damn it. So I want a gun in the box. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:51 He fucking with you. Hold on, let me switch the subject for a little bit. Acting. One of my favorite roles you did is with, what's that shit? When Adam Sandler's sick and you in the- Funny people. Yeah, funny people. One of my favorite roles you did was, what's that shit? When Adam Sandler's sick and you in the- Funny people. Funny people, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:09 Yeah, that's that. Like, is acting something that attracted you to that world or is it scoring the movies that brought you there? Yeah, no, I wasn't like, I didn't forecast myself being an actor. I forecasted, you know, being an actor is almost a dream. We kids watching TV. It's unattainable almost. Yeah, you don't think you're gonna be on that silver screen.

Starting point is 00:51:40 But what happened, I think, for me, in the fortunate was when I was scoring movies, I had a chance, I got a, this gentleman's name usually don't give good chi. You know what I mean? Because he made a lot of big mistakes in our business and he's in jail for, but you know what I'm talking about, but he met me when I was scoring Kill Bill. That's right.

Starting point is 00:52:06 And he saw my charisma as a person scoring Kill Bill. Prison Tarantino shit. Yeah, so he saw that I had like a magnetism. Like an actor has to have a magnetism, I think. And so then he was doing this movie called D-Rell. It was him and his other producer name are Lorenzo Lorenzo the book of a top man. No, no gets better. Yeah. Every single thing gets better. Tell me how to say Lorenzo's name.

Starting point is 00:52:47 OK. His name is. Bona Vittora? Yeah, let me say it. Let's say it again. Lorenzo D. Bona Vittora. Let me say Lorenzo's name right, bro. Lorenzo D. Bona Vittora.

Starting point is 00:53:00 Another four-shot. So him and Mr. Bong Bong was doing a movie and he caught my crib yo. He's like, where's I'm doing a movie? You still got a crib phone? This is, this is, this is. Yeah. What if the satellite go wild, you can't hit 911? Damn. Not real. You like this, slow battery. No nothing.

Starting point is 00:53:29 I got the radio joints just in case. That's what I got. No, I got a, we keep a hard wire. Right. Plus we got an elevator in the crib and you got, no. The law is you have an elevator in the crib, you gotta have a hard wire phone. Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:44 For the elevator in case. That's the law. But that you gotta have a hard wire phone. Okay. For the elevator in cases. That's a law. Right, right. But that's not why I got the phone. Okay. But anyway, but he calls the crib and he just says, RZA, do my movie. You have a new career now.

Starting point is 00:54:00 That's like that. I was like, but I had to go to London. And so I told my wife, I said, well, I gotta go to London. They want me to do this movie. You know what I'm saying? All right, bong bong. She didn't say bong bong, but she said.

Starting point is 00:54:12 You know what I mean? And so bam, I went to London. It was called Derailed. And check this shit out. So I do this movie, right? In this particular film. This is when you acted. Me acting.

Starting point is 00:54:24 And Clive Owens is the star and Giancarlo Esposito. Right? And my character is not gonna make it through the movie. Cause you black. I'm sorry. Okay. I'm asking. That's a question.

Starting point is 00:54:40 I don't know. Okay. But it's definitely. That's not rhetorical. It's definitely stereotypical of this particular film. Okay, okay. Right? My character ain't gonna make it.

Starting point is 00:54:52 And I know that, I read the script. Right? But I don't know how movies work. Okay, this is your first one? Yes, my first feature film. So I'm thinking when I get there, everything is linear. Like my character gonna do his shit, he gonna do his shit. Yeah, everything is linear. Uh-huh like my character I'm gonna do it. Yeah, you film back. I'm gonna do it shit. You know, you know, which way is gonna go

Starting point is 00:55:09 But on day one They did the shop where they do me dirty And they got to do prosthetics they put all this metal shit around my head put explosives This shit is this shit. This shit is traumatizing, all right? You know what I mean? They put a quarter load, okay? So this is not like, this is like, it changes my life. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:55:39 Day one, blah! You know what I mean? First shot of the day, you know, they prepped me like, yeah, we're gonna do this and that. So then the movie goes on and I'm going- Fire in the hole. Exactly, they want.

Starting point is 00:55:53 But then the movie goes on, right? And then I said to myself, well shit, the character definitely ain't making it. Right, right, right. Yeah, definitely. There's no rewriting of that shit. So I better do something to make the character rememberable. Right?

Starting point is 00:56:09 And so there was this dude in my hood that used to always whistle every time he came around it. And he whistles so much that even when he returned to the essence at his funeral, one of his sons whistled and the whole, everybody just broke in tears. Cause he just had this whistle. And so I said, I'm gonna whistle every time my character show up on screen, so that when it happens in the movie,

Starting point is 00:56:30 the audience gonna feel me. Right, so check it out. So I do that. And when they do the testing, when they put movies out, they test like who you like, who you don't like. So my character tested so high that they gave him another scene.

Starting point is 00:56:46 And it caused the casting agent to call me for American Gangster. You know what I mean? But I ran into that director later though. And he was the police in American Gangster too, right? You played a good police, I ain't gonna tell you. Don't get me wrong, I thought you was the boy lead. I almost caught you. I almost caught you like, man I did that good, right? Come on. I'm with you when I was chased the most by the cops. How you gonna lie? Yo, I got 19 arrests on my sheep.

Starting point is 00:57:06 God damn it. When they pulled it out one day, and I'm not bragging about this, I just saw it hit the floor. This is when I was talking to the police. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie,

Starting point is 00:57:14 I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie pulled that out one day, and I'm not bragging about this, I just saw it hit the floor. This is when I was like 19. And the judge was like,

Starting point is 00:57:32 yo bro, you gotta go sit down for a minute. No matter what. This is a petty crime right here. Right, but it's too many of them. Yeah, you're hitting the floor. Yeah, yeah. But let me go back to this director real quick. I know you're gonna chop this up. No problem, no problem.

Starting point is 00:57:47 So check it out. So now I'm with the director years later, and you know, I might have some success in that field. I said, yo, let me ask you this. Why on the very first day did you kill my character? Like, why couldn't you let me get used to the set? He said, and he's a Swedish guy he's like Bobby actually I didn't know if you was gonna show up for the rest of the movie what you know the rappers they are

Starting point is 00:58:15 volatile oh shit seriously they don't come on time so I knew I needed that shot once I got that I say whatever he do from here, I could cut around. That's crazy. But you know, but that was a stigma for us. You got to think about it. Hip hop comes to Hollywood, the trailers smell. I mean, it's, when I realized that I made it my business, right? Because I'm notoriously known for being late. I made it my business, right? Because I'm notoriously known for being late.

Starting point is 00:58:47 I made it my business not to be. I made it my business to start being a reliable entity for all of us. So that when they call somebody, they know that, yo, nah, nah, no, it's, no, these, they okay. You know what I mean? They'll show up because a lot of hip hoppers, when we was coming to the film, we brought our hip hop.

Starting point is 00:59:04 So we didn't really have the respect for time. Oh, it's a different, different, anyway. Bonk, bonk. Right, god damn, let's make some noise for that guy. Yeah. Yeah. I want to go and dive into Gravediggers. Copy.

Starting point is 00:59:17 Can you, like, what spawned that project? Was it already something in your mind in the Wu Tang beginnings? No, the Gravediggers is a brainchild of Prince Paul. Okay. So the Gravediggers, Prince Paul, super producer, hold on, let's toast Prince Paul. Prince Paul is amazing. He's a genius. He's a genius. I don't think he'd get enough, you know.

Starting point is 00:59:41 Nah, we need him on drinks. Yeah, yeah. Come on, we need him on drinks. We need him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, bro, we need you, bitch. Because was Grape Diggaz, I'm sorry I'm rushing the question, but was Grape Diggaz considered the first horror rap? Considered, yeah. OK. OK.

Starting point is 00:59:54 Were you considering it that, like, horror core, was it a thing to you guys doing that? No, I think, like, we don't name my shit. We didn't even name hip hop. Hip hop. The media called it horror core. The media called it horror core. We don't name it, you know that.

Starting point is 01:00:04 But it was his brainchild. He worked on Tommy Boy with D-Lar. He had a lot of success and things like that. Look, I met Prince Paul when I was doing Prince Rock King. The high hats on my first single was done by Prince Paul. I never used to use high hats. Even some of the woo you go, we'll just do it and put the high hats in. Paul was like, nah, you need high hats. Even some of the woo you'll go, well this dude ain't put the high hats in.

Starting point is 01:00:25 Paul was like, nah, you need high hats. You know what I mean? To keep the time. But he thought about it and he said, four of his favorite MCs, or three of his favorite MCs was Fu Quang, for Step the Sonic. Right, which he was a part of.

Starting point is 01:00:38 Prince Rakim, who didn't make it at the time. And Too Poetic, from, too poetic, right? He thought as lyricists that he just loved us as that. And so this is before Wu-Tang, I'm working on Wu-Tang, my own business, my own company, all that, I'm doing that, but I'm going to Long Island three times a week to Prince Paul's house. For Grave Diggers. For Grave Diggers.

Starting point is 01:01:02 So it's parallel. It's parallel. I don't even, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know that Prince Paul is Prince Paul's house. Wow. For Gravediggers. So it's parallel. It's parallel. I don't even, I don't know what's going to happen, but I know that Prince Paul is Prince Paul. I admire him. I think Prince Paul, out of all producers and all reality, he's the father of the hip hop skit. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:19 Yeah, yeah. Seriously. His albums are crazy. So even though we did our skits with Kung Fu movies and Wu-Tang is known for their skits, Dr. Dre is known for his skits, Prince Paul is the father. Absolutely, yeah. Wow. Okay, seriously.

Starting point is 01:01:35 Those Daylight albums? Yeah. Potholes and Malone and all that. I forgot that. Those albums though? Yeah. They just were, they were journeys within themselves. So anyway, so he thought of bringing us together.

Starting point is 01:01:47 Now, Farzad being Grave Diggers, that wasn't what it's gonna be. He don't know what we're gonna create. But at that time, I was in a very dark space. So if you go back and check hip hop, I created the fangs. But the fangs came from a dream. All right? When I was young, nine, 10 years old, nigga,

Starting point is 01:02:13 the vampires kidnapped me. Okay, they threw me in a bag, and they carried me, and the dude had a crazy dog with him, so his dog was silver. You know what I'm saying? Imagine a silver dog. him, to his dog was silver. Imagine a silver dog. And he was vicious, yo. With a vampire. With a vampire.

Starting point is 01:02:29 All right, yeah. I liked the vampire women. You know what I mean? Because everybody like vampire women. All right, all right. But, you know, and they threw me to the women. And then when I became a vampire, I had metal teeth. And so now I'm doing this and I'm like, I got it.

Starting point is 01:02:52 I'm gonna bring that shit to reality. You know what I mean? And so I told the jewel to make the fangs. We going gravediggers, we going Resurrector. So me, Paul, Fuquon and Po poetic, you know, we brainstormed on it. And we thought about what is going to be we said, yo, the grave diggers, but the grave diggers had another context. It was like, why be a grave digger?

Starting point is 01:03:14 What according to according to Malcolm X? He said our people are mentally dead. So if our people are mentally dead, that means we gotta dig them back up and bring them to life. So that's why you see the pick, the sickle, and the shovel. The sickle cuts the grass, the pick breaks the wood, and the shovel digs them up.

Starting point is 01:03:40 You got the grim reaper, the gatekeeper, the undertaker, and me. I bring you back to life. The Resurrector brings it back to life. Right. You know what I'd say, just to reiterate, I think what's dope is that it was parallel to Wu-Tang. It wasn't like Prince Paul came in and said, oh, because of Wu-Tang, let's do this.

Starting point is 01:04:03 It was parallel and it worked out beautifully. It worked out beautifully, yeah. It looked like from the outside looking at it, it looked like Grave Diggers came after Wu-Tang. Right. From the outside looking at it, yeah. It was parallel. And even that second album, when we did Wu-Tang Forever, we had the whole studio complex, American studio in California.

Starting point is 01:04:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so no, we did both albums at the same time. This album and Wu-Tang Forever is done at the exact same time. I got everybody living at the, remember the Oakwoods in Cali? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got 20, 30 apartments in the Oakwoods.

Starting point is 01:04:38 Gravediggers fly in, the entire Wu fly in, Sons of Man fly in, and we just, Killer Priest flies in. We just in the studio, just making music, making music, and then Wu-Tang forever becomes the album, and the Gravediggers be coming down. And to be fair, Prince Paul was already a legend too. Oh, super legend.

Starting point is 01:04:54 That's Ru-Kwon. Ru-Kwon made that, that ain't nothing like hip hop music. That's Ru-Kwon. So, we want you to know our show is about giving people their flowers, where they can smell them, their thoughts, where they can tell them, their things, where they can think them,

Starting point is 01:05:12 and their drinks, where they can drink them. All for you. Ah, sir. Ah, sir. Ah, sir. Ah, sir. I would have put that better than that. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:21 Thank you, sir. Snoop said it's better than the Grammy because it come from your people. Exactly. Is it edible? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Iop said it's better than Grammy because it come from your people. Exactly. Is it edible? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, let's go, let's go. But I do want to say this out loud, man. I'm proud of you. Yes, thank you. I'm proud of what you're doing. See, hip hop gave us a voice.

Starting point is 01:05:52 And for a moment, we thought that voice was limited to the beat and to the rhymes. You're showing improving and some other bother, but you really kind of pioneered in a certain way. Yes, that's right. That the voice and the magnetism doesn't have to be with the beat in the club. Right, right.

Starting point is 01:06:09 You know, us just hearing you talk, us hearing you talk to us, us hearing you talk to the audience, it's a magnetism, which you already had when you was doing your songs. But now, it's just, and for us, you know, sitting back and watching, it's like, wow, the God just went and made

Starting point is 01:06:26 footprints to a new path. Yes, yes. And many people doing it. And many people following my footsteps, you know. And many people doing it. And many people following my footsteps, you know. Yeah, they call me the Clarence X, a motherfucker, a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:06:34 Godcast. A broadcast. But let's talk about that real quick. Godcast. Let's talk about that broadcast. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian, Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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Starting point is 01:08:04 So what's science and what's just really good marketing? On this episode of Dope Labs, me and Zakiya cut through the hype and get into the real deal behind probiotics with help from gastroenterologist Dr. Roshi Raj. So yes, bacteria is definitely having a moment and I'm very excited about that. From probiotic drinks and gummies to face creams and pillows. Yep, we said pillows. The probiotic boom is everywhere. But how much of it actually works?

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Starting point is 01:11:03 going through New York City, and what I saw was, I don't wanna say heartbreaking, but it was, I don't wanna say disappointing either. It was different for me, right? Like going through a hood that I don't know, and hearing people saying, yo, what up, cuz? What up, blood?

Starting point is 01:11:19 And I'm just like, I ain't never used to hear that before. Back in the day, you know what's crazy? Even if a person came up to you wanting war, you know what the first word they used to say to you? Peace. Peace. Like you can actually use the word peace in a negative way back then, but peace.

Starting point is 01:11:38 And you're like, oh man, man, I know what you mean. But when, and I want you to answer this. When did the gods take the back seat and negativity take the front seat? I don't know if I have that answer, right? Right. Cause I don't think negative ever really takes the front seat. I don't think-

Starting point is 01:12:02 You know what, I worded that wrong. You're correct. So, yeah, and I don't think God never takes the back seat, but I'll say this, you're saying like, when was the presence of that energy not present, and now you got this other energy present? Right, like for instance, not to be long-winded, but let me just say, like when I used to go to Harlem,

Starting point is 01:12:24 it was a thing, I wanted to stop at a law school in Mecca. Like I wanted to go get some incense, I wanted to go get some Oreos. Like I don't even see the instant man out there no more. Like you know what I'm saying? So like I don't even know if our law school in Mecca is still there. Like-

Starting point is 01:12:38 It's still there. Okay, okay. It's still there. Well, I'll say this, like- Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, I think, look, a couple of things happened in New York, you know, first and foremost, I'm sorry. No, I think, look, a couple of things happened in New York. You know, first and foremost, I think it was when Giuliani,

Starting point is 01:12:49 he made everything get off the streets. Remember that? He made everybody go inside the building and pay rent. Right, right. Right, and so that took away the street culture for a moment. The gentrification of that probably really put a big, because you can walk in New York

Starting point is 01:13:05 and you can find rare books like the ISIS paper. You know what I mean? They came before Columbus, the final call. You know what I mean? So now you can't find that, you know what I mean? But also, it's like the brothers also went out too to the world, right? So it's almost like a lot of brothers went,

Starting point is 01:13:27 you go to DC, you go to Minnesota, you go to different places, you see that brothers have kind of spread out. You know what I mean, ATL. But in our day, all that energy was concentrated. You know what I mean? And then the magnetism of it has changed because of what magnetized the people now.

Starting point is 01:13:45 People are more magnetized by money, right? So the mathematics teaches us about the 12 jewels, right? Knowledge, wisdom, understanding, freedom, justice, and equality, food, clothing, and shelter, love, peace, and happiness. But most people right now, their concerns is food, clothing, and shelter. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 01:14:07 The other jewels are almost irrelevant. Mm-hmm. And then for our community, the only way to get food, clothing, and shelter is with money. Mm-hmm. Then the only way to get money in our community is that what we see is shining with money, which is our artists, our ballplayers. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? The talent. which we see is shining with money, which is our artists, our ballplayers. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:14:26 The talent. Like we don't know that, or we don't see the doctor live next door to the ballplayer. We don't know that. You know what I mean? So our image of what we think that attracts us and could get us those three major jewels

Starting point is 01:14:43 is the artist's point of view. And is the artist's point of view. And then the artist's point of view have changed. So in our day, it's Rakim, it's KRS-1, Big Daddy Kane, or it's Wu-Tang, it's Nas. And then it becomes more and more people that don't have this knowledge of self, right? And yet they're getting richer and richer. So the young mind is like,

Starting point is 01:15:10 yo, why would I study when all I could do is do this and get it? And so the magnetism have changed. And then the brothers themselves is almost like, I think men get scared to talk to young men. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you know what I mean? And that's unhealthy for us.

Starting point is 01:15:35 Yes, yeah. You know, I think, and then, you know, like, look, let me keep it raw for a moment. You can censor me if you need. No, no, no, we don't need. We at that age, right, and our power cyphers, right? And I mean by power cyphers, most of us who are there, right? Power is the truth, right?

Starting point is 01:15:52 It's a magnetic attraction, right? He's 50 years old. I just turned 50. Congratulations. Can you remember that thought? Can you remember that thought? He's 50 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now, as you cross that threshold, let me get your flowers too, man. Happy birthday. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, I'm good, no. I'm saying, you know it's like, okay, so everybody got podcasts, everybody's talking, but most of us are talking about glory days. Most of us are talking about the darkness of it. And none of us ain't talking about the light.

Starting point is 01:16:30 There's nobody sitting there saying, like, yo, when I first read A Message to the Black Man, or when I first read about the Circle 7, when I first read Malcolm X, right? Or any great books, you know, James Allen, As a Man Thinker, you know what I mean? The Art of War, Sun Tzu, you know what I mean? The Book of Changes, the Yi Qing, right?

Starting point is 01:16:53 Nobody's talking that, right? We are all trying to prove who's the most gangster. So we all trying to prove who's the most gangster, whatever our children are gonna be trying to do. Prove who the most gangster. So that has to change. We gotta be, listen, bro, gangster? Seriously?

Starting point is 01:17:15 Malcolm X. Okay? Walking, talking that talk at a time when you couldn't talk it. Traveling, pulling up to your city to teach you how to be better and to teach you the power of a black man and to teach you the revelation that the system is actually being plotted against you. And the system is like, what? You're saying, you know, Dr. King, marching,

Starting point is 01:17:53 turn the other cheek, hit with fire holes and dogs. Knowing they were going to go into that. Yo, they walked into it. Yeah, they knew it. Yeah. So that part of us, and I understand, I don't want to make this, it's not even a black thing, I'm just saying an American thing. The American Revolution itself, bro,

Starting point is 01:18:11 was people saying, yo son, I can't pay taxation without representation, son. You know, let me just give you that little jewel. Imagine this, bro. In the old America, if you made some nice cotton shirts in America, you had to ship them to London, and then London packaged them and ship them back

Starting point is 01:18:39 and sell them to you. If you live next door to me, in old America before the revolution, you can live next door to me in old America before the revolution you can live next door and I can write you a letter and mail it to you it will go to London first. Oh because London had control over it. Exactly. Then they bring it back son. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:59 When you say in London I'm thinking London but you say you mean England. England. Okay. I'm thinking like London, what the fuck? No, no, no, no, no. It's the capital. Oh, you know my man London? No, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:19:10 I said, you want England. OK, I get it, I get it. No, but think about that. OK. So people were brave enough to revolt against that. They were to revolt against taxation without representation, to revolt against tyranny. Mm. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:19:25 And so, tyranny manifests itself in many forms, and people weren't fooled and diluted to accept it. And so, then we go back to, just now going into the hip hop culture, it's like, yo, of course it should be fun, and it should be ruggedness, you know what I mean? We came with ruggedness, we know what we did, but still, it should be substance, You know what I mean? We came with ruggedness, we know what we did. But still, it should be substance.

Starting point is 01:19:47 You know what I mean? And until the substance come back, you're gonna definitely be dealing with, you know, the 85 mentality. And what I mean by the 85 mentality, so the 85, they say, people who are easily led in the wrong direction and hard to be led in the right direction.

Starting point is 01:20:09 You know what I mean? They are also poison animal eaters. It says people who don't even know their true origin in the world, they don't know their own power. Right, think about someone who, this thing about a community who gets up and everybody got a dollar

Starting point is 01:20:29 and they take it out of the community instead of keeping it in the community and rotating and recycling it. So those times has changed, but I'm optimistic, not pessimistic, and knowledge is not, what they call it, intelligence is always relevant. Cause people are like, yo, you ain't relevant no more, listen, bro.

Starting point is 01:20:54 Intelligence is always relevant. And anybody who gets too far away from that, all he's gonna do is get up to a certain height and he's gonna distill back. Right, so water never rises above six miles from the earth's surface, right? Because it can't get heavier than gravitation. It says so when the water rises up, and you could put that to a person, he's rising up and he's having these attracting powers and he's getting up and then he gets up and now all of a sudden boom he's having these attracting powers and he's getting up and then he gets up. And now all of a sudden, boom, he's gonna come back down

Starting point is 01:21:27 as rain or hell, right? Hopefully snow, because at least snow is light, pure and fluffy, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? But this is the same thing in the personality of the people, the same thing in the celebrity. I watched some of us. Like, I'll use myself as an example.

Starting point is 01:21:51 It's like when I became like the number one, like it was like number one. You know what I mean? I called it complex. You know what I mean? It's a high, it's a drug. It's like I'm number one, nigga. He can't tell me shit, yo.

Starting point is 01:22:04 He couldn't tell me nothing, I'm serious. I was with Quincy Jones and I wasn't even listening to him. Damn, hell. You was with Quincy. And didn't listen to him? I'm number one. You know what I mean? Not knowing he been number one.

Starting point is 01:22:20 But even when Tyson was number one, I'm the best in the world. I'm a zodiac cancer, so maybe, nah, but it's an ego thing that kicks in. I know you felt it. I'm like, you said it. I know, I know, I'm listening to you. I'm listening to your shit.

Starting point is 01:22:33 Ego's a mother fucker. I'm saying, yo, you knew just, and so now all of a sudden, you believe, you believe you're it, you're the chosen. Right. You know what I mean? And everything you do is right But it ain't it ain't I'm saying then a law, you know, he's merciful and if you're meant for his grace

Starting point is 01:22:53 He'll smack you with something. He threw Jonah in the belly of the well And sit down to thank homie I mean, he had to sit there and meditate for a moment You know, I mean and then realize all I better do what I'm ordained to do, not do what my ego is leading me to. You know? I talk about Jonah a lot to my buddies and shit, right? Because-

Starting point is 01:23:19 Not Jonah Hill. No, not Jonah Hill. I'm fucking with you. Jonah and the West. I'm fucking with you. Oh, you and this, since they saying that. But check it out, imagine this, though. Let's all imagine this. I'm fucking with you. Jonah and the West. Nah, I'm fucking with you. Or you this, since they say that. But check it out, imagine this though. Let's all imagine this.

Starting point is 01:23:27 And this is not the funny part of Drank Champs. Right, but imagine you on a boat partying with homies. A storm is coming and you kind of the new guy there. And they go, yo, we've been kind of cool before this. This guy, it might be him. And they take you and throw you off the boat. That's what happened to him. He goes in the water, according to the story, right?

Starting point is 01:23:53 Whether it's myth or magic, whatever, but let's just take the story. He gets swallowed up by the well. Now imagine you inside a well, he closed his mouth, and two hours later, you still there. Now, two hours, you in there like, oh shit, what the fuck? You ain't dead, dog.

Starting point is 01:24:12 Right, so you're like, this is my life. Right, you ain't dead, but you, trust me, you thinking you gonna be dead any minute now. But now it's four hours. Now it's six hours, you ain't dead. But now it's four hours. Now it's six hours, you ain't dead. But now it's 12 hours. Now it's 24 hours, nigga, you fell asleep, nigga. Now you wake up, you still there.

Starting point is 01:24:34 Now you hungry. Right? Now you gotta smell it. You gotta feel the flesh. You gotta, it's dark. Now 12 hours later, you don't know what time, you lost time now, you don't want to sleep. Now you don't know. This is another 24.

Starting point is 01:24:55 Still ain't getting nowhere. Still ain't eating. You done pissed. You done took a shit. This shit is deep. You like this, but you alive. Right. And then on that 72nd hour, the mercy hits you

Starting point is 01:25:12 and he opens up and spits you. Fuck that. Man, Jonah went right to his job, boy. You know what I mean? Life will humble you. Yeah, and that's a blessing, you know, that happened to me in a different way. You know what I mean? When I thought I was the greatest and at the top,

Starting point is 01:25:28 something happened in my life. I always, and I'm not sharing this with your audience, it's like my mom's passed away in the year 2000 when I was at the photo shoot for the cover of The Source. And the cover says, where the Wu-Tang Empire rise again. And we asked Supreme Clientel. So I was like, yeah, definitely,

Starting point is 01:25:45 we about to fuck these motherfuckers up. This album is it. This a five mic'er. You know what I mean? But yet, bam-a-lamma. You see what I mean? So, and what that do for you is like, okay, you realize, okay,

Starting point is 01:26:00 your calling is more serious than the art, but be an artist. Right. Be an artist. That's what I am. But but make sure you stay in tune. So I took the time from that point. I visited many temples around the world. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:26:16 I went to Shaolin temple, Wu Tang temple. Me and my wife did. We went on church. We go to churches, bro. All types of churches. Went to Mecca, went to the mosque, went to the Blue Mosque, Abu Dhabi, went to pyramids of Egypt, all these spiritual things, right? So that, so me as an artist, when you do get something from the RZA,

Starting point is 01:26:37 you're going to get that. You're going to get this element of like, okay, it won't be just without cars, without blood, it will be peace, God. Because God is a Greek word that means wisdom, strength, and beauty. And it's just three attributes of Allah. It's not the whole 99, it's just three attributes. But yeah, when we look at each other, we should see that wisdom, we should see that strength,

Starting point is 01:27:02 we should see that beauty, we should see that, and you should try to radiate that. You should try to, you know, if you don't got, if you got strength, gain some wisdom. Don't be a strong dumb motherfucker. If you got wisdom and strength, gain some beauty, don't be a strong, smart, funky motherfucker. You know what I mean? So these things are important. Bum, bum. All right, god damn it. Let's take a shot for that. God damn it. Cheers.

Starting point is 01:27:28 Cheers. Cheers. Will that tell me how Quick Slime with Slime works? Let's do it. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. So this is our drinking game. All right.

Starting point is 01:27:39 We're going to give you two choices. You pick one. We don't drink. If you say both or neither, so basically you don't really want to answer it, want to be politically correct, then we all drink. But really, the two choices we give you is not about this and anybody.

Starting point is 01:27:56 Really, we just want to bring up conversations about the people we're mentioning here. Oh, good. Cool. Oh, she's doing the second bottle. Let me see. This is done here? Yeah, let me see. Oh, this is done. You can leave that. You're going to leave that for the brothers who ain't here? That's cool. Oh, she's doing it to the second bottle? You see? Yeah, you see? Oh, this is done.

Starting point is 01:28:06 You can leave that. You're going to leave that for the brothers who ain't here? OK, cool. Yeah, absolutely. Cool. Man, this is a long, long time. It's long, y'all. All right.

Starting point is 01:28:15 Cheers. Y'all going in. Ready? Always. Two-Pocket DMX. In which way? This is, okay, so everybody has that question. This is whatever criteria in your mind. It could be you were closer with one person, one person made better spaghetti,

Starting point is 01:28:32 one person was a better rapper, better producer, whatever in your mind. Yeah, well, I think, well, I'm gonna break the rules of your game. Absolutely. And I'm gonna drink when I drink. Okay. I'm gonna break the rules of your game.

Starting point is 01:28:44 But no problem. You mentioned Tupac and DMX, right? Yeah, I think, well, I'm gonna break the rules of your gang. Absolutely. And I'm gonna drink when I drink. And I'm gonna break the rules of your gang. But no problem. You mentioned Tupac and DMX, right? Right. You actually mentioned two of the most spiritually in tune artists of hip hop. Prolific, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:57 Right? I'm serious. I mean, they were in tune spiritually. A little bit more. You know what I mean? So. OK. They don't seem like. I just know they both had that spiritual energy that just exuded out of them.

Starting point is 01:29:11 You know what I mean? So both. Okay. Okay. You played the game. Yeah, yeah. He played the game. We got to take the shot.

Starting point is 01:29:19 I took my shot. I got to take another one? I took one. Cheers. I finished it. Jamie's going to be running around with this. Next one one? I took mine. Oh, I finished it. Jamie's going to be running around with this. Next one.

Starting point is 01:29:29 Okay, yeah. Nas or Jizzah? In which way? In the Nas or Jizzah way? No, both very powerful brothers, right? But look, for MCing, my favorite best MC is the Juzza. I don't think no MC could beat the Juzza. I think with Juzza have written for hip hop,

Starting point is 01:29:52 no other MC could pair. Even if you go to Rakim, who is one of the greatest, right? And most people, he is the greatest. And Nas is, most people is the greatest. If I go back and I look at what Jizzah offered to hip hop, and then look at what Jizzah spawned, Jizzah spawned me, Dirty, Meth, Ray, Ghosts,

Starting point is 01:30:16 these are all from Jizzah's, is the enlightener. And you go get all your top MCs, I'm saying this with a little ego on my back for it. Ego won't leave. Nah, G, what the Wu offer lyrically, right, is actually no one has mastered yet. You know what I mean? Now, outside the Wu, what Nas did is this for me.

Starting point is 01:30:44 Nas is to me, this is my own analogy, I call Nas a Bobby Fischer of MCs. Because Bobby Fischer was the youngest MC, youngest chess master to master, he became a grand master at the youngest age. There's a few that beat him over the years, but he was the first one at that age to be, and Nas was a master at the age of 16, 17,

Starting point is 01:31:11 where most of us, because you met us, we was already in our 20s. He was, at the age of 17, 18, dope as somebody that was 25, 30. And he, no, seriously, he's a prodigy child of MCing, you know what I mean? But the judge is already there by the time we meet. He's already writing ideas, you know, that's just, one day, you know,

Starting point is 01:31:39 I'll challenge hip hop to do this. Get every MC lyrics and put them in a book and then measure it that way and see what you gain from it, right? If something make you smile or laugh or teach you game, like some rappers, they give you the game. They don't teach you how to hustle. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:32:02 The rules gonna teach you how to live in all reality. When you start going through some of these lyrics, bro, first of all, the quantum science, the dude that built the internet modem, you know what the internet modem is? No. You don't have it. Yeah, you do.

Starting point is 01:32:16 You know what it is. What, what, what? The modem that you go on the internet. Oh, the Wokman shit, the box? Listen to the 36 Shanks. Okay, all right. You talk about that there. I'm saying that hit, his brain cells opened.

Starting point is 01:32:30 So that's what we do. We open up your brain cells. We cause that, see, when you burn wood, you get fuel. When you burn brain cells, you get thoughts. You put the right kind of wood, you get better fuel, less smoke. You put the right type of thoughts and energy, you get better ideas. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:32:49 So, Judo said in one of his lyrics, something about Via Satellite from the Wu Mansion, looking at all the branches that came from his tree. He wasn't talking about just the woo, we just talking about all the MCs that the woo inspired now. Right. Right. Right? I'm gonna say the last thing about the Jizzle

Starting point is 01:33:12 because I'm so, he's my enlightener. Right. So what Jizzle is for hip hop, he won't never say it because he never comes out. He's pretty humble. Right, right. And we need him on Drink Chance. He's the one last member of woo to have to you.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Okay. He drinks. But what he is for hip hop, he's actually the bridge. So when hip hop started in South Bronx, right? Some would say 1973, right? Right. There's a project called Sound View Projects. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:45 Right. He's, his cousin lives there. Wow. He's learning it from there. Wow. But he's the, he's the 13 year old. He brought hip hop to me in 1976. Wow. I was born in 77.

Starting point is 01:33:58 Okay. He took me to the Bronx. Ugh. To the jams. Right. Wow. You hear it? Right. But we the jams. Right. You hear it? Right.

Starting point is 01:34:07 But we the kids though, I got my ass whipped for staying out there. On the train? On the train. Okay, okay. Yo, check it out. Bus. From Shaolin or from Brooklyn? Bus.

Starting point is 01:34:18 Nope. From Shaolin. Okay, Shaolin. Bus. Boat. Train. Jesus. Seriously. So I got to talk about that because hip hop got all these great godfathers and pillars. Seriously. But point of me, so I gotta talk about that because hip hop got all these great godfathers and pillars.

Starting point is 01:34:28 Right. And it may sound egotistical to say that, but Wu-Tang became one of those pillars. And that's because we have not the founding forefathers, we have the first generation from them who was amongst them as a spectator. So maybe only then there was only a hundred, at best I wouldn't even say a hundred MCs. Right, you said it gets diluted after that. Yeah. Right.

Starting point is 01:34:54 You know what I'm saying, when I learned how to MC, it wasn't 500 of us. Right. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, keep going. Okay, so he picked Jizzah. Yeah, okay, bong bong. I don't got a drink then. No, you don't gotizzah. Yeah, OK, bong bong. I don't got a drink then.

Starting point is 01:35:06 No, you don't got a drink. No, no, no. You picked it. OK. You don't have to drink. Yeah. Cool. Fourth disciple or true master?

Starting point is 01:35:13 As producers? As whatever. These questions are made by these guys. Just have to say. No, well, I would say, well, no, no. True master, fourth is a disciple. True Master is a master. He was already a master before Fourth became a disciple.

Starting point is 01:35:29 Fourth is dope, though. But True Master, yeah, if I was to measure them from my camp of who was the, who laid the illus, yeah, True Master, you know what I mean? He has, the truth of it is he has more songs on the Wu-Tang album than 4th, but 4th was Young. Young man, and he was special young man and he did his thing for us.

Starting point is 01:35:57 DJ Muggs or Large Pro? Then which way? I guess you could, it could be whatever, but- Y'all gotta start playing Waze on it. No, no, no, no. No way. Because some people be like, yo, that's my man's food. Like, yo, he made me ill macaroni one day.

Starting point is 01:36:11 And I got fucked. No, no, no, both my man's. I mean, Mugs, first of all, Lars Professor, once again, we don't talk enough about Lars Professor. Right. He's an alumni. Dream Champs. He's another one that don't want to die his head, either.

Starting point is 01:36:22 He don't want to die his head. Yeah, yeah. Man, we're showing you how to use it, bro, to die. Yeah, yeah. God, man, we're showing you how to use the brawl gracefully. Yeah, exactly. You look beautiful, bro. But let me just talk about them. I mean, Mugs is Mugs, right? And you know, brought so much to the culture.

Starting point is 01:36:36 Soul Assassin. You know, but you know, Lars Professor is the pioneer. Yes. So it's like, I'm sure that, I'm sure that Lars, that- Mugs would probably say Lars. Exactly, I'm sure that Lars Professor inspired Mugs, Mugs didn't inspire Lars Professor. That's a good way to look at this shit.

Starting point is 01:36:54 No, we say it all the time. We do inspire, oh yeah. So I would say that, but I just want to say, that we need more light on him because he's like, he's like one of those rare Bentleys. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know how some people got a Bentley? Like, you see that other Bentley or that other car? Yeah, he's like a vintage car, bro.

Starting point is 01:37:19 He's a large professor, you know what I mean? And I don't spend a lot of time, I don't even get five days in life with him, you know what I mean? But when I spend a lot of time, I didn't even get five days in life with him. You know what I mean? But when I see him, I just automatically have a reverence for him. And probably one of the first producer slash MCs as well. Yeah, and Witty with his lyrics.

Starting point is 01:37:35 Yeah, no, it wasn't like the MCing part was not as good as the producing, it was like he was just as good. Yeah. So it's not like you're picking Lars from. Yeah. Okay, all right, so we don't gotta drink but you make some noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All. So it sounded like you're picking large problems. Yeah. OK, all right. So we don't got to drink. We can make some noise.

Starting point is 01:37:46 Yeah. We can make some noise. All right. So this is a two-part question. This is a two-part question. All right. The question is, is Illmatic ready to die, right? Right?

Starting point is 01:37:57 OK. You following me, right? I'm following you. But I also want you to address this lifetime rumor that there was a rumor that Mef got on the record with Big and that you did not want that to happen. You did not want... So first, El Matic or Ready to Die first?

Starting point is 01:38:16 I'm going El Matic. Okay, all right, cool. All right, so we got that out the way. I feel like that sets up his answer for the next one. That sets up his answer for the next one, yes. No, no, so let's talk this rumor. You heard this rumor before, right? Yeah, I heard it before.

Starting point is 01:38:26 No, no, I didn't want Wu rhyming on nobody's beats. I love it. I love it. You know what I mean? Sweet up. Wait, wait. So was it a feature or was it beats? It was just like, it was our time,

Starting point is 01:38:37 and it was just like, I didn't want nobody else sharing in that moment. Wow. But I will give super, but Tracyacey Raples, first of all, A&R's, just another unsung hero of hip hop, probably. You know, she pitched that idea, you know what I mean? And, yeah, I say yes, though. She pitched the what idea?

Starting point is 01:39:01 She pitched the idea of Meth and Biggie doing a song together. And she was already smart. She's the one that came to, I'm telling you what she did, bro. She came to Staten Island to my apartment that had the records in the box. Wu-Tang, the album was not out. Only Protect Your Neck is out. Wow. OK?

Starting point is 01:39:29 And I played her the demos of Method Man, Dirty, and I had a couple of demos of songs. She didn't pick meth from the demo. They wanted, yeah. She wanted meth and Dirty. They wanted both of them. Four Big's album? No.

Starting point is 01:39:46 No, listen, listen. This is the sign of Def Jam. They're not even signing the Def Jam. So she, so I ended up signing Meth the Def Jam through her. By the end of the day, that A&R pin, that signature, took us to Russell Simmons and all that. That was a big moment for us. So, and her vibe and

Starting point is 01:40:12 fangirling the pulse of culture was undeniable. And so when she said it, of course, my first- She said Biggie and Meth. Of course I disagreed, because I was very, I wanted nobody fucking with the Wu. Wu was as Wu, but I trusted her. I really did trust her. And I trust her whole cultural posts.

Starting point is 01:40:38 And she was right. So let me ask you, was that the first feature Wu did outside of Wu? Was that like- You know what? Meth was, Meth was hopping feature-y. Meth was a early feature-y. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:40:50 So he did other records. No, because Meth is that type of MC, right? Meth love it. Look, he love rapping still to this day. Yo, I think he's gotten better. I think he's gotten better. He was dope then, but I feel like he's really gotten better. He was always dope, right?

Starting point is 01:41:09 He's great. Yeah. Right. He's at a level, and nobody's talking about him in that degree. No, no, niggas is talking about him. No, no. Nah, nah, nah.

Starting point is 01:41:20 But they need to go take those lists. Yeah. And we examine them. Yeah, you're saying like, put them in the media. Understand what you're saying. Yo, meth is ridiculous with his wits and his lyrical ability right now, yo. It's almost uncanny. It's like he went backwards in terms of being the youthful meth again.

Starting point is 01:41:39 It's just got studied. In a whole other chamber. He's free to just fuck you up on the mic. But anyway, I'm glad that they did it, right? And I'm glad that I was proven wrong on that one. But I was super duper, fuck that. Rob Markman I mean, in retrospect, I believe you were right. But I believe in that situation, you were supposed to let it go because that... did you know? All right, by the way, when Biggs actions for this feature, what level of Biggs is he as he is he already Biggie Smalls? Or he's he's becoming that guy. He's becoming that guy. He's becoming that guy. But it has to be the first single.

Starting point is 01:42:15 No, no, no, no. Look, he had I mean, first of all, he had party and party bullshit, the super cat joint. Yeah, which is already, you know what I'm saying? He's bubbling. Right. And shit. But this is his album. Right. Right, and this is gonna be on his album. Right. But we're already, we're the man already. Right.

Starting point is 01:42:33 You know what I mean? He's gonna be the man though. He's about to drop the Megaton bomb. Right, right. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? That's crazy to hear the perspective. I'm serious.

Starting point is 01:42:43 But we don't know that, right? Right. But we just't know that, right? But I was just really selfish about it. Somebody told me to do that too. What, not to clear it? No, somebody told me to be selfish. It was Daddy-O from Step the Sonic. He came to me one day, ran into him.

Starting point is 01:42:59 He said, yo, God, y'all killing it. The war is this and this, everything. He said, yo, I'm gonna tell you something. Don't let no other producers produce your MCs. I said, why? I said, don't worry about that. Dude. I'm not kidding.

Starting point is 01:43:11 I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. He wasn't, yeah, just don't do it. Don't worry about it. No, I understand most sides too. Like I think he's right. I'm like, you know what? He might, I think he's right.

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Starting point is 01:47:39 If you take a look at it, right, of course, over time, it's impossible. You did keep it. But in the beginning, you would do everything. So we did. Listen, who did seven platinum back to back as a producer? Single. Wu-Tang goes platinum, multiple platinum.

Starting point is 01:47:57 Method Man, double platinum. Rayquan, platinum. Dirk, platinum. Jatt. Dirt. Platt. Jizzah. Platt. Ghost. Platt.

Starting point is 01:48:16 Then another woo. Multiplatz. Back to back. Back to back. Then come with Capper, go gold. Yup. Right? Come home with you. Then go gold. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:28 Then come back, plait again. Right. Not the, so, so keep, and that was, that was, you know, from one leadership. Right. So that was good. Right? So anyway, anyway, let me get off of me. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:48:41 This is your show. But I'm just saying, that's, that's, that's, that's, I didn't, when I looked at it one day I was like, damn, son. But yo, I never left the basement. I'm serious. I'm gonna get back to that, but before we leave this question, I wanna ask one more question. Okay, you clear this record, cause you had to clear this, right?

Starting point is 01:48:57 You had to clear it. Boom, so you clear this record. Then the very next album, you guys drop, it's Ghost and Ray actually going at Biggie. Like, what was your mindset saying? Wait a minute, did I make a mistake? Or how was you feeling, period?

Starting point is 01:49:19 Nah, well, first of all, Big is my man. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know, rest in peace. Rest in peace. Well, first of all, Big is my man. You know what I mean? Like, you know, rest in peace. You know, like, Big is my man. Rest in peace. And was my man. Like, he was happy for me, I was happy for him.

Starting point is 01:49:37 We seen each other not on, we seen each other on. Right? So that's how New York was back then. You know what I mean? When he got on though, every time he see me, if he saw me, he hit me with a bottle of champagne. That's the kind of man he was, which is, only a prince does that.

Starting point is 01:49:56 You know what I mean? But as he becomes more and more the man, and all the MCs, my crew is a crew of MCs. We, and my crew is vicious at this time. Right. And now he getting light and then, you know what I mean? So it's like, yo, dude's ready to eat that. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:50:12 That's the energy of MCing, right? That's why there's, every time you see a nigga want to pass a bottle, I'm like, yo, he's for you. That's, he blessing me. Don't get mad cause he passing me a bottle. Right, right, right. Right, but that's it now, fuck Don't get mad, because he passing me a bottle. Right, right, right. But that's it, nah, fuck all that. Because we was very, also at that one point,

Starting point is 01:50:29 it's like keep the habit to ourselves. It's another thing. We was, it was like no, it was us or nobody. And that was our energy. And that was, it took a long time for us to get out of that energy. You know what I mean? So, you know, when they said it, it's like, yo, they're going...

Starting point is 01:50:46 I don't... We can't sense it, what they want, what they feel. Because it had to be something, because if you think about what they actually said, it was like, they... Nigga bit nine shit. Like, this actually had nothing to do with them. Like, if you think about it... But you bit another man's shit.

Starting point is 01:50:57 And hip hop had one rule. Yeah, we had one rule. No biting. Especially at that time frame. At that time frame. Listen. Yes. It's true. Still rules one rule. Yeah, we had one rule. Especially at that time frame. At that time frame.

Starting point is 01:51:05 Listen, yes, it's true. Still rules. Yeah, yeah. No, no, rules should still stand. It should still stand. But you know, biting is like, it was just the forbidden fruit of hip hop, you know what I mean? And when you hip hop, and you kind of, you know,

Starting point is 01:51:24 one thing about hip hop, Norrie, that people don't remember, you couldn't just wear your Kangol, kid. The dude who had the Kangol had more than the Kangol on. Right. You know what I mean? He had respect. Right.

Starting point is 01:51:38 You know what I mean? He was able to walk through that with that Kangol and get back, you know what I mean? Whether on a ferry, bus, train, you know what I mean? So we those kids that, we came from Staten Island to Lion Quarters, I mean, Red Parrot, you know what I mean? Union Square, it's like we in there, you know what I mean? And then you can't be in there.

Starting point is 01:51:58 It's not easy to be there and not be from Brooklyn. You know what I mean? Not be from Queens, You know what I mean? Not be from Queens. You know what I mean? If you from Queens, it's like back in those days, the rapper, why you think rappers had body guards? They couldn't even come in like that. So hip hop had this heavy culture of being strong, pure,

Starting point is 01:52:22 and it had a heavy culture of not biting. Now, you know, but, you know, I guess that's how the brothers fell, like, yo, he bit, and they spoke. We interviewed Ray and Ghost right here. They spoke up on it. Right here. What they say about it.

Starting point is 01:52:39 And they were like, that's how they felt at the time, but they regretted it, you know, because they said, oh, Ghost actually, because I believe we had Wade Corran talk about it, but it was the first time we had Ghost talk about it. And Ghost was like, you know, he made peace with him, like he got to see him. That's good.

Starting point is 01:52:53 You know what I mean? Oh, that's good. No, no, no, after, the piece came before that internally. Okay. Like, Divine and Power, right, they already was like, nah. Remember, I produced on Big's album. It was mad. It was Long Kiss Good Night, right?

Starting point is 01:53:10 Yeah, no, no, they didn't appreciate it. We squashed that, though. Right, right. Because it was like, yo, I play that Cuban link shit all the time. Right, right. So it was like, but hip hop is that. And I'm glad that, cause you know, we don't talk about shit, cause Varsity's that, so

Starting point is 01:53:29 keep moving, but I'm glad that Ghost had a chance to redeem that with him. Big was a special, special, special dude, we all know that. But some of us didn't get a chance to shake his hand, laugh with him, you know what I mean, be up in the studio with him and all of that, so they wouldn't know what they don't know. He was like a prince, like a very rare. Then when you go, like you said, Illmatic and Ready to Die, I'm saying for me, lyrically, Illmatic is a masterpiece

Starting point is 01:54:02 of lyrical talent, but of course, Ready to Die gave us some of the best songs hip hop ever is going to get. Right. Right. Right. Brung us back to that skit era you was talking about. Yeah. Oh, with Prince Paul. So anyways, move on.

Starting point is 01:54:16 Okay, let's go. How am I doing over here, mama? Yeah. Snap your feet three times. If I'm starting to like going out too deep and shit. Nah. Staten Island or Brooklyn? In which way?

Starting point is 01:54:30 The different way you want. I'm saying both because both we drank, right? Yeah, that's right. I'm just trying to get you to drink. That's all. Thank you. And you know what? Let me just tell you something.

Starting point is 01:54:47 We're here to celebrate you tonight, brother. I know you're a humble brother, but listen, we're here to celebrate you. You are arguably one of the smartest people in hip hop, one of the people who invented a lane that has never been duplicated and will never be duplicated. And I want you to know how much we appreciate you here.

Starting point is 01:55:04 So we gonna, all night, we are here, we are wizards. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Oh, they say, god damn it, this Japanese whiskey's a, I mean, not a whiskey, it's a Saki. So Japanese Saki is a dickhead. It's a dickhead. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.

Starting point is 01:55:19 His eyes is getting shaky. So one thing, you don't remember this. You do remember this, bro. You don't remember when we was in France? Yes. You had that. I had this, bro. What happened to it?

Starting point is 01:55:28 Oh, yeah. That shit disappeared. No, no, no. We're going to give our irony. Hey, yo. Yes? And that night, I told you. Yes.

Starting point is 01:55:36 I did you. I kind of let you tilt it that night. Yes, you did. You did. I'm going to tilt you today. Because you know why? You know why? I'm going to be honest with you.

Starting point is 01:55:43 It doesn't taste like it creeps up on you. No, it doesn't taste like anything, which is dangerous. Yeah, that's what's dangerous. That's what's dangerous. Are you drinking with the support? With the support, which I think is equally as dangerous. I like that. I like that.

Starting point is 01:55:55 That's a nice beer. I mean, well, Japanese beer and sake, they just go great together. Yes. The temperature of it, you got another bottle? Or that's the last one? No, we got one more. Good, good.

Starting point is 01:56:03 Three's gone. And I'm going to take a pee-pee. If you don't ice, you don't ice. The temperature is getting right you got another bottle or that's the last one? Yes, no, we got one more. Good, good. Three's gonna be a bottle. And I'm gonna take a baby. If you don't like, put it in the ice. The temperature is getting right there. Okay, okay. Now it's starting to feel good. Cool, cool. So, all right, I'm gonna move on, okay. You said both, right?

Starting point is 01:56:15 Yep. All right, cool, I'm gonna keep it going. He went to the bathroom. Okay. You said something about, hold on, hot sake. You said you only drank hot sake. No, I used to only drink hot sake because I thought it went with cold beer.

Starting point is 01:56:26 I thought that goes together. Wow. I don't know. Well, hot sake is usually bad sake. So you make it hot just to kind of like to get rid of it. You would never eat this stuff. You know what's crazy? I've never drank hot sake with Japanese people.

Starting point is 01:56:42 I only drink it with my white friends. OK. So is that bad? No, no, no, white friends up and say, man, you been... Is that in me? What up? No, no, no, no. Hot sake is usually going to be a lower grade. So this here, right here, as you'll see, this is a Jumai.

Starting point is 01:56:58 So Jumai is a special way they make it. So that's like agave, like in tequila, like there's different brands. Yeah, exactly. It's like a Naho, which is Reposado. Okay, Reposado, okay. And Blanco, right? So, even though this is not stuffed in a barrel, no. But point being made is that you will never heat this up.

Starting point is 01:57:17 Okay. I mean, that would be like destroying it. But if you had some sake, like, you know, some $5 sake, and you just kind of go into the hibachi spot and they'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they squeeze that shit. You know what I mean? Ah, shit. I been fucked up.

Starting point is 01:57:34 That's the way I been getting it, bro. He's that shit up. You know what I mean? Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I swear to God, I thought I knew every drink etiquette in the world. You just fucked me up just now because man, who I spoke to today, Diego, I used to always drink hot socket. So I didn't know that that's the cheap shit.

Starting point is 01:57:57 Because if you asked them to heat this up, they ain't going to heat it up for you. They're going to be like, no, no, no, no. I mean, oh, they're going to charge you the price of what it costs, heat it up, and you're going to lose what you paid for. Right. Because I used to drink Japanese whiskey, right? And Yamazaki 18, if you order Yamazaki 18 and you order it with ice, they won't give it to you.

Starting point is 01:58:19 Right. They'll be like, no. Like, you can order a viki with ice. Right. But not that. Yeah, not that. Not that. So maybe you put one drop of water in it though.

Starting point is 01:58:28 A water? So some people, the ice is only to open up the flavor of it, right? Like the whiskey? Yeah. But most, have you ever went to a whiskey convention? No. Yo, dude, anybody, you went along? To a tasting where they taught us that in a tasting.

Starting point is 01:58:44 Yeah, everybody at the convention, they have an eye dropper. And they just put one drop of water first. And then, because it opens it up. Remember, this thing has been distilled and it's inside of a barrel. So a little bit of hydrogen, oxygen, loosens those atoms up. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:59:00 And so that's why you get the big solid rock that don't melt. That's the reason for the rock, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, all right, cool. I happen to drink it. Yes, yes, yes, good. All right, bungle. I do all curbel after I'm ready to die.

Starting point is 01:59:15 All right, Buck Wild or Diamond D? In which way? You're wild. Whatever way you want. Whatever way you want. So I don't know those brothers, right? Personally, I've met them, but I can't say I know them, right? But I would say that Diamond D once again just offered so much to the culture.

Starting point is 01:59:36 He brought in another chamber that was needed. I mean, are they both in the DRT? Yep. I believe so. Yeah. They're both in the DRT? Yep. I believe so. They both in the DRT, see? Yep. But it's like, and it's just that when Diamond had like, he's like the gristle on the chicken

Starting point is 01:59:53 bone. He's another rapper, producer that did a great job. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Had the rhymes, had the flow. It's like, what's up with all the dudes? We don't talk about enough. We don't talk about Foul Monk or nothing. Oh, man, Foul Monk, you're on the chain.

Starting point is 02:00:01 Organize- Get the fuck up! Organize noise, yeah. Organize noise. Organize noise. Organize nothing. Oh, man, Foul Monk or what? Get the fuck up! Organized noise. Organized noise. Organized noise. No, organized noise. Organized confusion.

Starting point is 02:00:09 Organized confusion. My bad. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. We go up. Yeah, we go up. We go away.

Starting point is 02:00:17 We go away. But yeah, so I'm going to go diamond D on that and let them fight that out. Okay. Rapping or producing? Yeah, skip that. So yeah. Just in the chambers, like the full package. No, what you like better, rapping or producing?

Starting point is 02:00:31 Oh, me? Yeah, yeah. Oh, what you mean? Rap... I mean, this is a question. That's what I was going to... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Both.

Starting point is 02:00:42 Both? Okay, let's take a shot there. Let's take a shot there. No, I'm not bullshitting. This gets better as you keep going. Wait until you stand up. Hey, y'all, listen. That's why I never try to take a beat.

Starting point is 02:00:53 You don't know this, I be trying to hold my beat the whole time. Because once you stand up, I know it's a different life. Release your dope, man. Yeah, yeah, you see? Hey, yo, Norrie, so check this out, right? So a lot of people know me for my beats. And a lot of the industry is inspired by my beats and all reality, right?

Starting point is 02:01:13 And all praises do that I'm able to add inspiration to anything. But they overlook me as an MC. You know what I mean? And it's my lyrics. If they would have paid more attention to my lyrics, if they would've paid more attention to my lyrics, the kids would be better. The kids wouldn't be on the route they're on. I don't write for myself, yo.

Starting point is 02:01:33 I write scriptures so that you could hear the chill with the feedback, we don't need that, right? It's 10 o'clock, where's your seat at? Right? Right, cause women'clock, where's your seat at? Right? Right? Right, because women, they're running around chasing shit, but where's your kids at, baby? Feeling mad hostile, wearing El Paso,

Starting point is 02:01:52 that was the style back then, flowing like Christ when I speak the gospel. I'm bringing gospel, bro. You know what I mean? So it was like, my mission was to instill inspiration. Like I wanted to be, I'm, lyrically, I'm serious, My mission was to instill inspiration. Like I wanted to be, lyrically, I'm serious. You go back and listen to my lyrics, bro, and take time, fusion of the five elements

Starting point is 02:02:13 to search for the higher intelligence. Women walking around celibate, living irrelevant. The most benevolent king communicate through your dreams. Mental pictures have been painted, but a law is heard and seen everywhere in your surrounding atmosphere, thermosphere, stratosphere, trappersphere. Can you imagine?

Starting point is 02:02:32 From one single idea, everything appeared here. So understanding will make the truth crystal clear. We got innocent black immigrants locked in housing tenements. 85 dependent welfare recipients. My neighborhood has been stamped like a concentration camp. But at nighttime, I would walk through, my third eye was bright as a street lamp. Electric probes, right? Electric probes, robotic strobes, taking telescopic pictures of the globe.

Starting point is 02:03:06 Babies being born now with microchips stuffed inside their earlobes. Examinated, vaccinated, lies fabricated. Food and drug administration testing poison in prison population. My occupation is to stop the inauguration of Satan. They thought it was Ronald Reagan. That's why I come to enslavement like Bartholomew, because every particle of some physical article is diabolical down to the last molecule. But anyway, they don't want to pay attention to that.

Starting point is 02:03:39 You can't follow that number, but anyway. I'm serious though. It's like I was doing that because- I'm taking a shot today. I'm sorry. I it, but anyway. I'm serious though. It's like I was doing that because- Let's take a shot to that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Cheers. Jamie, you're doing a workout today. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 02:03:53 Anyway, you said producer or MCing. Yes. That's why I said both. I just love the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. All next to Nady by nature. Which way?

Starting point is 02:04:02 I got you. Here's your question. You got it. You're going to probably, that's going to probably be now when I'm getting clowned, I'm drinking and I keep nature. Which way? I got you. You got to, you're going to probably, that's going to probably be now I'm getting clowned, I'm drinking, I keep saying which way. But I can't help but say which way. Yeah, no problem. Trex is my man, man.

Starting point is 02:04:13 Trex is, I think is under, I don't want to say underrated, but I think he deserves to be higher in everybody's top list of MCs. You know what? I feel like that about Stiggy as well. Yeah. Yeah, Stiggy as well, yeah, Stiggy as well. They both inspired culture, flows, and identity

Starting point is 02:04:28 for a lot of rappers. A lot of their stuff is embedded in a lot of MCs. It's like, it's their cheat code that they want to admit. You know what I mean? But for me, Trash is both a special one, because I would say both. Okay. And I'll tell you why.

Starting point is 02:04:47 I already took a shot for that. You didn't take that shot. No, no, that was another shot. That was another shot, trust me. Okay, my bad. Wait till you get up, buddy. Yo, both. Yo, they both, like New York is such a special place,

Starting point is 02:04:56 and shout out New Jersey as well, and Philadelphia. And Long Island. And Long Island, well, New York and Long Island, that's us, we together. Somebody tried to say Buffalo was in New York, yo. Nah, Buffalo's in New York and Long Island, that's us. We together. Yeah. Somebody tried to say Buffalo wasn't New York, yo. Nah, Buffalo's New York, Long Island's New York, Yonkers is New York.

Starting point is 02:05:07 Exactly. We're not going for that. You know what I'm saying? Mount Vernon is New York, bro. Mount Vernon, oh, that's New York, bro. But for Tretch and Vinny and them, I was on Tommy Boy. That's right. I was on Tommy Boy, too.

Starting point is 02:05:20 And we wasn't, nobody made it yet. Right. So they sending us out together to the radio. With Naughty By Nature? Yeah. Really? Chris Rock came and Naughty By Nature. Oh, that's right.

Starting point is 02:05:30 OK. We like this. They make it, though. Right. Right. I don't think they'll make it. I'm serious. I remember going to see him at the Apollo

Starting point is 02:05:38 after they made it. And I ain't seen him like about five, six months. You know, I'm still trying this shit. But you know, it's my man. You know, they're like, oh, shit. Let me in. He's my brother. Tretches like that type of guy. He's a special guy. He's a, he's one of the, once again, another special entity. But I seen him, he came on stage, sweaty, took his shirt off, muscles, everything. He was like, bong, bong, and shit. And I was like, Oh shit, my dude, my dude.

Starting point is 02:06:08 He was in a limo together like this, falling out, like just going to the radio, just doing freestyles, hoping. And then he was platinum, yo. Bitches going crazy. My song is about bitches. They not going crazy. You know what I'm saying? But still the brotherhood was always like that. You know what I mean? And when Wu-Way opened our first store, It's that now, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:34 He came through, basically almost bought it out. Wow. You know what I mean? That's how much... But then you go back to Sticky, it's like Sticky and Onyx and fucking Frazieroll, that's my, those are my party homies. We the dudes in the party before, nobody's on. We the real dudes in the party. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:06:53 It's like, whatever. You know what I mean? If it's a Vic, if it's something going down, it's we with the real, me, Dirty, Sticky, me, Frazieroll. If you was in the party, industry party, those are the real motherfuckers. How they got in, we don't know. Is it dangerous now in this party?

Starting point is 02:07:15 A little more dangerous? Yes. You know what I mean? So Sticky and the M.O.C.T., they was like, when they got on too, it was like, I was like, oh shit, all the real niggas is getting on now. Like some of the real people that wasn't just like, just kind of like the streets was getting in. Right. Tresh is an example of the streets getting in. Sticky is an example of the streets getting

Starting point is 02:07:36 in. Woo is the entire community. Right. Straight up though. But anyway. What you got? KRS-1 or Rakim? In your way. Okay. I'm about to say which way, right? Wow! Jamie!

Starting point is 02:07:58 Look, that's, even though it sounds hard, right? Rakim. Okay. Right? They both gave us so much, you know what I mean? And Karras won, you know, he's type of dude, nobody ever wanted to get on after Karras won. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:19 You ever did a show? He's a, he's a, I remember him from school. With Karras won? Yeah. You better go first. And he give a speech in between and shit. And everyone shuts up and listens.

Starting point is 02:08:29 Yo, he did one show, yo. He dropped back to back bangers. I'm talking about 10, 12, 13 back to back bangers. And then was like, OK, that was the mic check. Then went into this shit. Right. That's how many bangers he got. Right? Because he made albums that was full of bangers. Da da da dang, da da da da dang, listen to my 9 millimeter gold. Right. So in that capacity, you're going to not find really not nobody that could do that.

Starting point is 02:08:49 But when you mentioned it to me, my mind went to the argument of those MCs who was the best. And what Rakim wrote in his two albums, know what I mean? And didn't curse. Exactly. For the most part. For the most part.

Starting point is 02:09:19 For the most part, yeah. What he wrote, bro, no MC of that generation can compare to that. You know what I'm saying? They could try and they could argue it if you want, but if you go, what did you say when the earth get further and further? He said, follow me, right?

Starting point is 02:09:33 So you thought you was first? Well, let's travel at a magnificent speed around the universe. You thought you was first, but follow me, and let's travel at a magnificent speed around the universe. And what would you say when the earth gets further and further away, and the planet seems small like balls of clay, and you stray into the Milky Way, worlds out of sight, as far

Starting point is 02:09:56 as your eye can see, not even a satellite, but then suddenly you see a star. You better follow it, cause it's the all. Oh my God. He done took you from the earth to triple darkness and then appeared for you. So his lyrical content and abilities were just incredible. So even Karrasone gave us a lot of things, like what's beef, right? Or even when he talked about the diet, now incredible. So even the carat rest one gave us a lot of things, like what's beef, right? Or even when he talked about,

Starting point is 02:10:28 the diet, the teachers, my philosophy, Jimmy. Great, great, great. But I'm just saying the concentration. See what makes a dope MC, and this is really the way you could, y'all could take it and throw it in the garbage. Some MCs are a container of juice. You ever get that good apple juice, like that whole fucking Martellis apple juice? Like this shit is good.

Starting point is 02:10:50 Martin Ellis. Martin Ellis, yeah. Yeah, that shit is good. And you're Ellie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, I'm saying. That shit is good. But some MCs, it's the concentrated apple juice. You gotta add water to this nigga. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:11:06 Rock him his ass. You gotta add water. All right. Okay. We answered that. Okay. Now this one, I already, cause I bet you would be on time and I lost that bet.

Starting point is 02:11:19 But I bet on this question too. Hold on. That's a good bet. But no, I bet on you. I was on time. No, we thought as much as we were talking, you were definitely on time. We were here two hours early just to make sure,

Starting point is 02:11:32 because we knew he was going to be on time. I bet on you. Yeah. We do this with every artist. Like, we bet. Right. And I bet on you. I got here at 430.

Starting point is 02:11:41 I fucked up. I told you it was 4 o'clock. We only said it because we told everybody. He's going to be on time, guys. We've been talking to him. But hold on. I'm not going to lead the witness. Analog or digital?

Starting point is 02:11:56 You're asking Bobby digital that? Right. Well, if you'd have asked me a few years ago, I would have chose. But this time I gotta say both. Oh! I lost again! I'm not mad. I lost again.

Starting point is 02:12:11 I thought you'd have picked digital. I know. If you'd asked some years ago, the reason why I would have said digital a few years ago. But first of all, digital is where we at. Right. But you can still use, is this, it's things that you can still use analog?

Starting point is 02:12:23 There's plugins that make it analog. But let me tell you about why I'm saying analog, bro. Okay. Because now we in the AI world. Oh, it's a whole different world now. Okay, so now that we in the AI world, you're gonna wish somebody just played the guitar for you. Right.

Starting point is 02:12:37 You're gonna wish that the resonance of that, you're gonna wanna wish that the, that real physical sound is real. Watch when you get a Porter Shorty. Know what a Porter Shorty is? The robot? Yeah, watch when you get a Porter Shorty. Porter Shorty?

Starting point is 02:12:53 Yeah, hope we don't need him. We got wives. For some dudes. Oh, I got a Porter Party when you were saying that. It's the yalla, it's the yalla. Then people gonna get Porter Shorty. Oh, they definitely get that. They definitely.

Starting point is 02:13:04 And it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna. Sonny's getting one for sure. I'm gonna write a lyric about it. The Porter, yeah, the Porter, the Porter Shorty, right? When you do it, she gonna click her eyes and record it for you and then hit it. And then she gonna play it back. I don't even know what the fuck just happened.

Starting point is 02:13:24 I don't know, we were, we happened. I don't know where we went. Anyway. That's the robot shorty. When you play game, you got the robot shorty recording you. She gonna film it. She gonna be filming you as you doing it. But you want her to film you? You want her to film you?

Starting point is 02:13:38 Listen bro, it's AI. It's happening on its own. It gotta take its data. It needs data. I seen just a side note, sidebar. I seen this billionaire on, it was something I saw online, but he said- Fucking a robot? No, the future of investing, he wants to invest in sports because AI is going to take over

Starting point is 02:13:58 everything and everything's going to be so digital that the physical people that actually do sports is going to be a commodity. Running man. Yeah, yeah. So he's investing all his money, this is a guy that invested in tech, supposedly. Now he's gonna invest in sports. Physical.

Starting point is 02:14:13 He's going analog. Yeah, he's going analog, yeah. That's what he's doing. So he said both, okay. Okay. I like, hold on, I gotta interrupt you. Okay. I like that, listen, you notice he taking all these shots.

Starting point is 02:14:27 You hitting these, you going back to back on the bones too. Oh yeah, okay, I got it. Oh no, this is all diggity. No, no, no, it's a good thing. I'm a little impressed. He got the Louis, let me see that bro. You got that over here. Don't take one now.

Starting point is 02:14:44 I'm not going to, he got the Louis case. You can take one, you can take one, yeah. I'm gonna smoke it later. Yeah, that, bro. You got that over here. Don't take one now. I'm not going to. He got the movie case. You can take one. You can take one. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm going to smoke it later. Yeah, OK. Get it. Take it.

Starting point is 02:14:49 Take it. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! I'm going to. I'm going to smoke it. You're going to hold that for later.

Starting point is 02:14:56 I'm going to put it in my mind and go see what that do to her. But, yo, how much time we got? Yo, you know we got another hour, right? Yeah, yeah. We're good. No, no, no. Oh, I'm happy. Listen, let me just tell you something. Are you going to make another hour, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Oh, I'm happy. Listen, let me just tell you something. Are you gonna make it all the way through?

Starting point is 02:15:08 Yes, yes, let me just tell you something, bro. I'm gonna be honest with you. And if we don't, it's part of the show too. Yes, yeah. But listen, let me just tell you something. And you know, we've had other people on this show. We had other legends, but we have never had the Abbot on this show.

Starting point is 02:15:24 And you know what? I am so happy. I'm so honored and- I'm saying I, we, mother- I'm just saying, he asked me if I'm gonna make it. But what I'm trying to say is, man, this is a blessing, man. So in case I ain't say it earlier,

Starting point is 02:15:39 or we didn't say it earlier, I just want to say to you and your beautiful wife, thank you, man. You know what I'm saying? Because I know you ain't got this, you know, of the day, I live this life, so I understand. And our culture, what we're trying to do is... So many people say that if you have 10 years in this game, you washed up. And so many other coaches, I never even heard that word be spoke of, washed up, or your

Starting point is 02:16:04 time is up. Like what the fuck does that mean other than boxing and sports and shit like that? But what other genre of music? These motherfuckers, Motley Crue and them niggas, they tore fucking, them niggas is 900. Like what the fuck? Like what the fuck?

Starting point is 02:16:17 I just saw the Grateful Dead in Vegas two weeks ago. Come on. I didn't even know those people were still alive. Yeah, I love them. I think Bob Weir's 82. Right. And they're still killing it. Killing it, beautiful show.

Starting point is 02:16:29 So Wild K and hip hop, why we can't grow with that? Why we can't? And you know what's crazy about, I'm sorry to make it all make sense, but let me make it all make sense. That was the illest thing about me watching you and Nas, you guys and Nas in Paris together, was I was looking, I was like, look at the audience.

Starting point is 02:16:46 And the shit was packed, it was sold out. But I'm looking, and there was some, there was a lot of youngins in there that you thought were with their parents. But then I was paused, I was watching their mouths, and they knew the words, and I'm like, oh no, they write it from their parents. I was like, I was bugging, I was like, wait a minute.

Starting point is 02:17:05 That reverberated in time. You know, at first sight, you're looking, you're like, all right, cool. But then you look and you're like, wait a minute, these are good parents. These are parents who let their kids listen to the right music. And the kids were actually- It's like Bob Marley, it's timeless. It's so beautiful, man. It's so beautiful. It's so crazy. One, it's timeless. It's so beautiful, man. It's so beautiful, man.

Starting point is 02:17:25 It was so crazy. One thing I did see in hip hop is a beautiful thing. I was in Australia, and the thing in Australia that bugged me out is that the audience was actually 40% all young. Wow. Yeah, I'm talking about like, it was weird a little bit too.

Starting point is 02:17:44 I had to like lecture them. I got back to the hotel. It was like 20, 18 years old. I said, hold on, chill, girls. This is, we did not. This is not a boy band. This is a grown man here. You guys go home.

Starting point is 02:17:55 This is weird. Take a picture and go home. No, I had to tell people, get them home. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to tell people, get them home. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans.

Starting point is 02:18:03 I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. I had to get girls out of vans. There's a grown man here. You guys go home. This is weird. Take a picture and go home. No, I had to tell people, get them home. I had to get girls out of vans. Right. But the point I'm making is that the attraction of our culture, the attraction of the music is timeless. And that's what it's supposed to be.

Starting point is 02:18:19 That's beautiful. It's beautiful. And what we got to do, and hopefully if we can, right, is not be shy or brave enough to circulate back around the globe and touch the people. Because the thing that'll happen is it won't be because the guy said, 10 year, wash up. The guy who accepts that makes himself wash up. He won't come outside.

Starting point is 02:18:49 He won't show up because he don't, you know, he hasn't preserved himself. He don't feel the Chi. You know what I mean? There was recently, what's a few dudes that, they don't want to do videos no more. Because of the physical appearance. It's like, nah, nah, nah, yo, G, listen.

Starting point is 02:19:04 You're still appreciated. You remember Lee Scratch, Because of the physical appearance, it's like, nah, nah, nah, yo, G, listen. You're still appreciated. You remember Lee, you know, Lee Scrasperry? Anybody know who that is? Yo, you see Lee Scrasperry? Yo, he was, I went to a Jamaican festival. Oh, that's Rasta shit, that's why he know. He said, hey yo, hey yo, he looked like a prophet, right?

Starting point is 02:19:21 He was super, super great out, just, you know what? You wanted to see him. You wanted to touch that. He was like, yo, hold? He was super, super great out. Just, you know what? You wanted to see him. You wanted to touch that. He was like, yo, hold on, that's real. But you know, so I was just saying that the culture will continue to attract younger generations. The industry itself thought they could write it off, but they thought it was a fad.

Starting point is 02:19:40 It's not a fad, it's 50 years. It's 50 years old. You know what I mean? And it's international. And it's international, it's gonna continue. And one thing I've said on this show a bunch of times is it's the number, it should be considered, and it is the number one cultural export of the United States to the world,

Starting point is 02:19:56 and we are not really taking advantage of that. The culture didn't take advantage of it. Right, we didn't. And what happens is each region now is saying, all right, well. We got our own. Cause I've traveled and the hip hop heads in these countries have said, you guys lost your way hip hop wise.

Starting point is 02:20:10 You guys are corporate and you lost it. So they're creating their own vibe within themselves, which is cool. Which is good, yeah. But we should pay attention and keep in touch cause it comes from here. Right. Well, they will come back here. There's the artist called...

Starting point is 02:20:28 I did an album with an artist, her name is A-Witch, out of Okinawa. And she kind of... Japan? Yeah, Okinawa, Japan. Got a song featuring Asap Ferg. Oh, wow. He joined it. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Who else joined it?

Starting point is 02:20:42 Okinawa, that's where Mr. Miyagi from. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. makes sense. Who else joined it? Okinawa, that's where Mr. Miyagi from. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Hold on. One of the biggest. You want a second shot with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The home of sake. Yo, yo, in Okinawa, right? Check this out. I love Okinawa. They got a sake.

Starting point is 02:20:59 Okay, I didn't know. Check this out. So they had a snake that was killing all the people. Oh shit, they put the snake in the sake? Yeah, the snake snake that was killing all the people. Oh shit, they put the snake in the socket? Yeah, the snake was poisonous, killing all the people. They went and captured them, all the snakes, and they put them in socket bottles and you drank it. They fermented the snake.

Starting point is 02:21:16 Yeah, and it's an apodisiac. I believe that. You drank it and you'd be like, yo, what up, baby? You're killing all the... So anyway. Uh-huh. Okay, let? So anyway, Okinawa. Okay, let's get out of Okinawa. Let's come back.

Starting point is 02:21:29 Where we at? We gotta, we gotta, slow time with Slime. Yeah. Oh shit. Primo or Pete Rock? No, you skipped a million. I know, that's why we gotta do it. No, don't skip them.

Starting point is 02:21:40 No, don't skip them. We can edit this shit. We can go back, we can go back. Yeah, you can edit all this shit. Yeah, but Primo or Pete Rock. And which one? And the producer way. That's the deep.

Starting point is 02:21:53 Even though Pete Rock do rhyme too. That's deep. No, that's deep. Primo or what? No, Pete Rock. Pete Rock. That's deep. That's the deep one.

Starting point is 02:22:03 I gotta say both. Okay, I'm in. I got to say both. I'm in. I'm in on that. Both. This tastes really good. It's getting better and better. I ain't going to lie. Is this different?

Starting point is 02:22:13 Is it a different one? Yes. But I'm saying, what's the mixture of this one? Yeah, so this one here is also. I like this one the best. It's still a Jumei, but so not to go there. This particular brand makes about five levels of sake. It's still a Jumei, but so not to go there. This particular brand makes about five levels of sake.

Starting point is 02:22:29 All premium. She's getting more, she's moving more and more premium. She didn't even know that. Did you know that? Oh yeah. She's moving up and up. Is that the last bottle? No, we got several more.

Starting point is 02:22:40 They have the ceramic? No, we don't get the ceramic. It's the only one we could find. Damn, Mr. Lee. No, no, no. There's the ceramic. Yeah, the ceramic. So that's the- Oh, we got several more. They're the ceramic? No, we don't get the ceramic. It's the only one we could find. Damn, Mr. Lee. No, no, no, there's a ceramic. Yeah, the ceramic. So that's the-

Starting point is 02:22:48 Oh, we have it? Yeah. Someone brought it. Yeah. We moving up the ladder. OK, OK, let's go. I'm in. I'm in.

Starting point is 02:22:55 I'm in. Start passing tips. I think other people can get a chance. No, no, no, no. This is us. This is us. OK, so let me speak on those two brothers. You're going to chop this up anyway.

Starting point is 02:23:04 So what are we doing? Okay, so let me speak on those two brothers. You're gonna chop this up anyway. So, so P Rock, you know, he pioneered so much for us in hip hop. Always you know, I love his horn chops was very interesting. It was he was an MC. He rocked and see all his moves crazy. His his his ideas, you know. And then Premier actually created a formula. Premier made a formula that works every time. Now, if you pay attention to that,

Starting point is 02:23:43 a lot of producers wasn't able to do that. He created his own formula. You check Pete Rock, you check Rizzo, you check Dre, none of us don't have a concise formula. I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this. Like he's consistent in his formulas, what you're saying. His formula, his formula, yeah. You don't mean the sound.

Starting point is 02:24:02 Yeah. Not a sound. I mean, it is kind of.. You don't mean the sound. Yeah. Not a sound. I mean, it is kind of, it's kind of mean that too. Not a sound, because this sound was inspired by, his sound changes as we change. Right, okay. Okay.

Starting point is 02:24:12 But it feels like his drum pattern is- His formula. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what you mean. Okay. His formula, okay. You're saying it's a chocolate. Do, do, do, do, chocolate, chocolate. Like, he has a formula.

Starting point is 02:24:24 What's he saying? He has a formula that you know is Premier. Well, yeah. It's a signature sound, for sure. Yeah. But not just a sound, bro. If he don't scratch in the hook. Right.

Starting point is 02:24:38 You still know it's Premier. No, it ain't Premier. Oh. You're not going to find his joint. Without scratching it. That he going to find his joint. Without a scratch in it. That he doesn't incorporate his DJ. His, his, his, his, his, he also keeps, I think he keeps one of his old machines still. Right.

Starting point is 02:24:56 Right, he keeps his old equipment and he uses that in his formula. So every time you play one of his tracks, right, you go, okay, you could tell it's Premier. Yeah. Right. Right? You could tell it was Premier B, yeah. Right.

Starting point is 02:25:12 But Pete Rock, you got it, you might go, oh, Pete Rock did that? You could tell him, no, okay, did you know Pete Rock when he did, okay. Wait, who did Above the Clouds? That's P. Rock. No, that's P. Rock. That's P. Rock. That's P. Rock. That's P. Rock.

Starting point is 02:25:35 That's Gangster. The other one they did was the one with the racing shit. Sgt. Engines. We expected that. That's P. Rock. Yeah. That's Pete Rock. Right. Wasn't you on that? Point of making is that Pete Rock got me digging up that high.

Starting point is 02:25:53 I'm like, words? No, but it's nothing. Let me say this. I bought that album. Premier has made a formula. Pete Rock is a master, but similar to me in a way, we've played in multiple chambers. You know what I mean? So, so Cuban Link, even though it's RZA,

Starting point is 02:26:12 it's nothing like old Dirty's album. If you really look at it, the sonic quality could be similar, but Dirty album is full of bass. Cuban Link's is strings. It's totally a different chamber. Liquid Sports is totally different from Cuban. It was crazy every time he says the noises.

Starting point is 02:26:39 I know exactly what Racket is talking about. So who are you comparing yourself more to? It sounds like you're saying you're Pete Rock and a Pills. Did you pick? No, I said both because they both are pillars. But I want us to identify the difference. It's like nobody's production quality level matches Dr. Dre. Mm-hmm. Quality level.

Starting point is 02:27:06 Quality level, of course. If you put on Michael Jackson, do-do-do-do-do-do, and you put on Dr. Dre, you don't got to touch the nog. Mm. Okay? He made records from the beginning.

Starting point is 02:27:20 Right, right. That's at the sonic quality... Sonically, right, right, right. ...of all the records ever made in history at the highest level. That's ill. You pick on 36 after, Dre, you got to turn my shit up. You're going to get a different experience though. You're going to hear some shit that you're like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 02:27:37 What the fuck was that? You know what I mean? By turning it up. But you got to turn it up, nigga. But Dre, you could just... Right. Now, with Premier, he's also sonically there because he's pushing the drums up front, right? But it's still on Mass Dre, right?

Starting point is 02:27:57 It'll be louder than me, right? Similar to Pete, but nobody's getting to Dre's VU. And Dre's a perfectionist in that song as well. That VU, that shit that was moving like that, that was on your SSL, he mastered that. Yes. Dre's like a scientist in that. My shit on the SSL, to be honest, it's like this. I pushed it all over.

Starting point is 02:28:21 They was like, yo, you can't do that. I'm like, why not? When you master this shit, nigga, they're't do that. I'm like, why not? When you master this shit, nigga, they're going to go. And now your shit is going to sound where it's going to sound. A lot of them can't. But anyway. But did you do that on purpose?

Starting point is 02:28:35 For me, a lot of my shit I did. Because that was the whole allure of OJ. For me, a lot of my shit I did was purposely. Let me say one thing that's weird about me, and this isn't part of your question. So for me, right, if you take one of my tracks in the studio and you came to the board, if you move the fader down, the beat falls apart.

Starting point is 02:29:01 It only works because of the pulse of what I'm, of the level that I set everything at. It's only working because of the pulse of the level that I set everything at. It's only working because of the pulse of what I'm controlling. I'm controlling the pulse. Everything is not in key and everything is not in rhythm. But what's the dominating pulse makes it make sense. Even go to that same Knowledge Guard song on Raekwon's album. Knowledge Guard. It doesn't, if you move something, it's like, you lost it, Bobby.

Starting point is 02:29:31 Right. You dropped it. That happens. People, the engineer, you fucked up. I'm like, nah, you fucked, why you do that? Well, you fucked up, bro. That's not what's happening here. Right. You're thinking of the science of it. I'm working off a post. I was working off a post. So a post means I could go like,

Starting point is 02:29:50 ooh. But if I put a drum beat pushing that post, it's going to change it. It's going to change that to a rhythm. But then if I put a bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, what the fuck is that? But if I put it low right here and move it panning to the left, it's going to...

Starting point is 02:30:09 Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. It's going to muffle it. It's going to make... It's like, what the fuck is going on? Right. And then when the MC get on it, you don't even hear nothing. Right. Because now you trapped in his flow.

Starting point is 02:30:22 Right. A good song like that is with the blood clot by Method Man. Yeah. Go back and check that. But anyways, I'm fucking with you now, right? I like this. I think we gotta go different with that kind of stuff. All right, so hold on, hold on, hold on.

Starting point is 02:30:37 All right, so next question. Only bill for Cuba links or Iron Man? Where did this go, bro? Only bill for Cuba links. That Iron Man? That's good, bro. Only built for Cuba Lynx. That was easy. That was easy? Yeah, listen. Only built for Cuba Lynx is the foundation of Iron Man.

Starting point is 02:30:52 OK. OK. Iron Man is good, right? But Iron Man falls short. Yeah, it falls short, but I'm going to deny it. Because what happened in Iron Man is that we have the flood in the middle of the album. So after Cuban Lynx, Liquid Sports, we start Iron Man, and the second flood happens.

Starting point is 02:31:14 This flood though, it doesn't destroy floppy disks like the one that- Your bassman that got fucked up. And now, the equipment is fucked. I got a two inch machine in my crib. Oh, real flood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking of slaying you two crib. Oh, real flood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing a sling, you tell me. Oh, no, sorry.

Starting point is 02:31:27 Real flood. Like, oh, OK. Fuck, I've been through two floods. OK. Once I thought I could have the water. I'm not saying. No, you went biblical on you. Yo, no, no.

Starting point is 02:31:36 Once the flood wasn't coming from under, I moved to a spot. It came from over. Wow. That's just my own karma that I had to fix. I had to get a good woman, which I have now. Right. Right.

Starting point is 02:31:48 Hey! One, two, three. I have a good woman now, Salto. Let's take a shot for a good woman. Good woman. Shotting a good woman. So Iron Man was finished in Mystic Studios, when you probably said you met him. Yeah, we had to leave our own studio,

Starting point is 02:32:07 and then go to Mystic. And now, see, in my own studio, every compressor was already set. When Ghost came in, he sound like Ghost every time, because I set the settings, right? Every MC had their own compressor, their own settings. Now I'm in a somebody else studio. It ain't the same.

Starting point is 02:32:27 And when I leave there tomorrow, or don't come for two days, he done changed it again. Okay, because somebody else used the studio? It's that. So, Liquis, Warling, and Cuba Lace was people considered the epitome of my creation. Nothing changed. It was consistent.

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Starting point is 02:36:57 Apple Podcasts. One thing a lot of artists and producers don't realize is that, and I say this with all due respect because we're not talking about nobody else, but okay, so Snoop goes to no limit. That album don't sound like Dr. Dre. No, no. You see what I'm saying? So, the studio you use, it's just like, was it DMD?

Starting point is 02:37:25 DND, DND. Man, once some dudes didn't go there no more, and went, bam, bam, and now. You know what I mean? Premier, he was the one that really made DND sound good. But once people started going there, they all got good. Maybe, but once they stopped going there, it's like, oh, there's no DND there.

Starting point is 02:37:44 Sometimes the studio itself is part of the vibe. But it's so on. So you say accumulation Ironman, Ironman was finished. And Mystic. Right. And to me, we we forced our hand on we compromised. So anyway, you know, this is great answer. For me as a fan. I love it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:08 I'm glad that the fans get to hear this, but this is me as a fan. Capodino or Master Killer? Ha ha ha. This guy's fake. I don't get that. What you mean? No, no, no.

Starting point is 02:38:19 This is me. Both. OK, both. Let's go. Let's go. Wait, we drinking? Yeah, both. Shall we talk about let's go. Wait, we drink it, huh? Yeah, it's both. Shall we talk about them a little bit? Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:27 Please, man. Two legends, by the way. By the way, Master Killer just dropped an album today, and I'm on it. And you're on it, man. I'm on it. By the way, Master Killer, let me just tell you something. I haven't rhymed in so long that when I heard my own verse, I was like, how did he get this?

Starting point is 02:38:35 I don't know. I think he might have gotten it back there. You was like, no, man. You could have. I was like, I don't know. I think he might have gotten it back there. I was like, I don't know. I think he might have gotten it back there.

Starting point is 02:38:43 I was like, I don't know. I think he might have gotten it back there. I was like, I don't know. I think he might have gotten it back there. I was like, I don't know. I think long that when I heard my own verse I was like how did he get this? I was like, I was like, I was like, Norma, you good! I wrote that joint, you know, it's good. I swear to God, I was like, I was dope though, cause I had, what I did was just listen to it as I was getting the haircut. I listened to my part obviously, and then made it first because I was amazed at me. I was like, really? I kind of still got it.

Starting point is 02:39:12 And then the album just kept playing and I was just like, damn, bro. You got some joints on there, right? Balance. Hip-hop is still making hip-hop. It's just, we got to search for it now. We got to search for it now. Damn. We know what we can do. We got to search for it. So we always had to search for it now? We gotta search for it now. Yeah. We know what we can do. We gotta search for it.

Starting point is 02:39:25 So we always had to search for it. Right. In all reality, I mentioned earlier that Juzza took me to Soundview projects. That's a long ride to hear hip hop. Yeah. Yeah, you're saying it in a different way. It's the same thing now.

Starting point is 02:39:39 Yeah, it's a search. It's like going from Kindu to... No, we used to go to Wynwood. To all the hip hop jams in Wynwood. Yeah, no, I'm talking about it. It's like going from Kindu to... No, we used to go to Wynwood. To all the hip hop jams in Wynwood. You know, that's like going from Kindle to the W Hotel. No, but I'm telling you, no, no, no, I'm telling you from our era, from Kindle, we was going to Wynwood where Zulu Nation

Starting point is 02:39:55 used to throw their parties at. I know, but I'm saying this, I'm trying to tell you the distance. The distance. I'm not saying anyone's like that. But I'm telling you, that's the equivalent of us having to travel. Okay. to experience.

Starting point is 02:40:05 This is further, though. Experience. This is further. This is further. I mean, what, Kindle? To Wynwood. To Wynwood? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:12 They had to get on the ferry, man. Yeah, they get to go on the surfboard. Yo, to get the sound view from the Staten Island, minimum two hours. Two and a half hours, minimum. Minimum. Listen, and it's the Bronx. When the Bronx was like-

Starting point is 02:40:29 Burnt down Bronx, no doubt. And not just that. Yo, you'll see, listen bro, people don't understand this life of what hip hop went through. Hip hop went through dope heads on the floor, blood, crime, cops, crooked, crack, fire, hip hop, and lived.

Starting point is 02:40:57 And now you see somebody in Korea. You know what I mean? Exactly. No, it's a beautiful thing. What hip hop did is this. And you mind if I digress a little bit? No, no, no, come on. So, so, so, so, so, Allah is merciful.

Starting point is 02:41:12 Let's just know that, right? And we all have arm, leg, leg, arm, head. So don't, when you hear Allah, don't get scared. Some people go, oh, no, no, no. We all have arm, leg, leg, arm, head, that image. Right. But Allah is merciful. And he finds ways to deliver mercy. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:41:30 Hip-hop is a mercy. The Quran was a mercy, they said. It was a mercy. It says Allah gave the Quran to Muhammad as a mercy to man so he could know what's good and what's bad and how to navigate through this. And it's a book of not just spirituality, it's political, it's business, it's a book of not just spirituality,

Starting point is 02:41:45 it's political, it's business, it's science, it's husbandry, it's wives, it's inheritance, right? Hip-hop comes to our community as a saving force. It first saves us in New York, but then it continues to move. Right. Okay, it continues to move. Right. Okay, it's okay, we saved these guys. Let's save some West Coast guys.

Starting point is 02:42:09 Let's get the terminals first. Okay, now let's get in the middle. Let's go to the south. Now, let's go, let's go, do you hear the new Indian MCs? Indian MCs. Yeah. Now this is out there, now this is out there.

Starting point is 02:42:23 I tested one of these out there. Let this is out there. I tested it. Let's go over here. The Vietnamese MCs, L. Yo, listen, when I went to Egypt, I'm one of the first MCs to ever perform in Egypt. You will never know that because they didn't record it. They didn't allow it. It was unallowed. I took a...

Starting point is 02:42:40 Me and Sean Paul. Wow. What a combination. Separate times, but I'm just saying. I thought y'all were together. Me and Sean Paul. Wow, what a combination. Separate times, but I was just saying. I thought y'all were together. But as I was saying, it was like, it didn't exist there.

Starting point is 02:42:52 Now it exists. So hip hop has went and saved all these families. You go to South Africa and you see a brother pull up with a Bentley. How you get that? Hip hop. Not saying that the Bentley is the thing he should have gotten, right? But when you get money, the first thing you do is get the luxury to appreciate the money.

Starting point is 02:43:13 Muhammad Ali said it, they said to Muhammad Ali, they said, Muhammad Ali, you talk about the black man and all the power he should have, and you're trying to raise the consciousness of your people and you want them to raise the consciousness of your people and you want them to not be caught up into the white man's world. But you, Muhammad, you have a Bentley. How do you justify that?

Starting point is 02:43:36 He said, no, no, no, I have two Bentleys. You see, he said because my people got to see that what I do makes something, means something. They see a value, they don't want me coming over ripped clothes and trying to talk to them. That was Jesus' job. He came over, you know, silk petlin', you know what I mean? The job now is to have a magnetism.

Starting point is 02:44:01 Hip hop is that magnetism. It's that conduit. It's that, yo, and I see so many of us blessed by it, you know what I mean, that we ought to be thankful. I'm gonna take a moment right now if you guys don't mind. No problem. A toast to hip-hop. Let's toast to hip-hop, oh god damn it. God damn it. None of us here would be here without hip-hop. Exactly. Absolutely not.

Starting point is 02:44:26 We talked about his voice earlier, right? And you know, we all danced to his fucking joint. What? What? We all, no seriously bro, we threw elbows, we pushed people out our way when that shit came on, right? And that was a voice, but he's hip hop, and his voice wasn't limited to the music. That's what's happened to hip hop.

Starting point is 02:44:51 For us elder statesmen, it don't have to just be the music. And I'm glad that Master Killer got a new album and you heard your joint and it's called Balance. Yeah, Balance. That's the name of the whole album, right? It's called Balance. Okay, yes, yeah. I asked him, why Balance?

Starting point is 02:45:03 Jamel, he said, yo, God, balance is always needed. It is. That's the beauty of hip hop, when it's balanced. Exactly, and we could agree right now with it feels unbalanced. Unbalanced, but you can have all the shit in it, the fuckery and the righteousness. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:45:21 As long as it's balanced. Exactly, give me the blue and the red pill choice. But give me some wisdom behind my choice. And that's what I hope that we can provide. I've been drinking that. You know those W's kind of- You know, that's all good. We all got W's.

Starting point is 02:45:35 The more you drink, the more you- But you shouldn't fuck up any W's because Wu-Tang couldn't fuck up. I know. I believe you own a W. Hold on. Let's drink to the W. Salud. I believe you own the W. Hold on. Let's go back to the W. It's getting better and better.

Starting point is 02:45:52 The colder it gets, the better it gets. Yes, but our bodies are not getting better. Okay. Okay. I agree with her, actually. What? She's like, eh. Can you stop a little bit?

Starting point is 02:46:03 No, no, no. Give me another one. All right, come on. What? She's like, eh. Hey, can you stop a little bit? Eh. No, no, give me another one. Come on. You're good. I'm in. I'm in. What you got? What's your next one?

Starting point is 02:46:11 I'm in. Good. You got it? The pass with you. You got the ceramic for real? Yeah. Get the ceramic. I want the ceramic. It's for business.

Starting point is 02:46:19 It's for business. You know what I'm doing. NWA or Public Enemy? Wow. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's the thing. No, but listen, you skipped a million. Relax, buddy.

Starting point is 02:46:27 All right, but I was gonna have to twist to it. Which way? You can twist it. Oh, you wanna twist that one? You can twist that for me. Help me out. Here's my favorite question on this whole show, period. Okay.

Starting point is 02:46:36 Oh, here we go. I'm not, I might as well ask him. NWA or Wu-Tang Clan? No, I personally don't like you guys being picked up. Everybody doesn't like this question because of the different eras. But what I'm saying is it's the same impact, even though it's different eras.

Starting point is 02:46:56 What NWA did for Los Angeles, California, West Coast period was change everything. They made people start wearing curls, they made people start wearing bandanas, they made people start, you know, crip walking, gang banging. What Wu Tang did, he made black motherfuckers wanna be Chinese, Japanese.

Starting point is 02:47:19 You made motherfuckers wearing, hold on a minute, it's like you changed the culture. So to me, the impact, I'm not saying the errors, but when we put this question together, and by the way, this is not our question, these are these two guys, this is the cocaine section, Colombian, Dominican. He said, come here, who? The cocaine in the building. We in Miami. Miami, what it be like? The Colombian Dominican section. Tony Montana.

Starting point is 02:47:50 I like to ask this question. It's my favorite question because the reason why I like to ask it is because I've been wanting people to understand I'm not asking the errors or who came before who or who influenced who. What I'm saying is the impact. But you didn't ask it to start with, it was these guys. No, no, no, it was a fake question,

Starting point is 02:48:08 but I thought it was genius. But my argument, this is my argument why I don't like the question, because I feel, those are my two favorite groups, NWA and Public Enemy, I feel like they're the same energy, on different sides of the spectrum. They actually are the same thing, but on different sides of the spectrum in that actually are the same thing, but on different sides of the spectrum.

Starting point is 02:48:26 In that era, they provided us with the balance. Right. And that's what I love about that question being them too. But when I think it's Wu-Tang versus N.W., I think it's off balance in that sense. I respect that. But let me just comment, and you guys can chop it up how you want.

Starting point is 02:48:40 Uh-huh. Right? So, public enemy is inspiring NWA. NWA is not inspiring Public Enemy. Seriously. Run DMC is inspiring NWA. NWA is not inspiring Run DMC. But that's because New York is the mecca of hip hop.

Starting point is 02:49:00 So, they got to fly to New York and find the break beats and bring them back to Cali. They can't find them in those record stores. But when NWA brought the hip hop and what they brought to the culture, it's undeniable. And we don't have Kendrick at the Super Bowl if NWA don't exist. Okay? And maybe if Public Enemy don't exist as well, because I feel like there's a lineage there too as well. I'm going to argue that, but NWA gives us Dr. Dre. Yep.

Starting point is 02:49:27 Yeah, well yeah. NWA gives us Ice Cube. If we don't got Ice Cube, I don't make movies. Straight up. Straight up, right? And they continue to go to the brain, then it goes, then we get Snoop and so much, right? So, and public Enemy is the consciousness.

Starting point is 02:49:50 Public Enemy actually did their first, they did a tour with Anthrax before any of us did a rock and roll combination besides Run DMC, right? But now when you throw Wu-Tang into the equation, and I don't mind speaking on Wu-Tang in this equation, right, what Wu-Tang does is this, right? NWA influence is actually the influence of hip hop. Right now.

Starting point is 02:50:19 New York is not selling records. Okay? Name the top hip hop artist in New York at the time. Juice Crew. Juice Crew, you got, no, no, by the time you get to 92, 93, Juice Crew can't sell records. Right. Big Daddy Kane records. Well, NWA's 88 to 90, well, I mean, if you want to take the lineage. Yeah, but they, but no, Jews, so we get a platinum big, a biz, we get a gold cane. Hold on, we get a coat, we get a gold cane.

Starting point is 02:50:53 We got a platinum KRS-1, we got a platinum Rakim in the 80s. Now in the 90s, none of them are selling platinums. Tribe is coming, leaders iss. Tribe is coming. Leaders is coming. Gang stars coming. Tribe is going to give you gold. Nobody's giving you platinums, unless it's poppy. What about Nordic Bionics?

Starting point is 02:51:16 Bam, like I said, they come and give us a platinum. That's why I said, Tretch and Onyx are a new wave of energy. They're the anomaly that comes up. Exactly. Okay. And still, he gives us a platinum riff of Poppy's songs, which wasn't Poppy. But West Coast, even Tone Love, Young MC, everybody double platinum, platinum, platinum, platinum. And so even though Tretch and Tribe and everybody are giving us this beautiful thing, Black

Starting point is 02:51:52 Moon, you go through that whole underground movement, you're not cracking 300,000 cells. EPMD didn't do that? EPMD now is going here. The different level. Can I- say this to you, and the investment is different. Because look, even like once again, LL is one of the greatest. He's making it through all this. But I'm just saying the average of the people that are in the industry

Starting point is 02:52:17 are the ones that are making it through. And I'm not saying that they're not making it through. I'm just saying that they're not making it through. And I'm not saying that they're not making it through. I is one of the greatest he's making it through all this, but I'm just saying the average investment in hip-hop right Like let's say what's your first record there? No, if you're in penalty records terrible Economic what was that?

Starting point is 02:52:41 $5,000. Okay then $5,000. Okay then. You heard that? $5,000. Okay. Let's say Wu-Tang's first album, you know what it was? $60,000. $60,000. For everybody. For the whole album, bro. Nobody got no money.

Starting point is 02:53:02 No, that was, we lost money on that. Right, right, right, right. I just want you to understand this for a moment, just to get a little culture thing in. Even Method Man's album, if you take Method Man's album, his videos and everything, you're not gonna spend no more than $500,000. He makes, he's gonna bring in $20 million.

Starting point is 02:53:27 Wu-Tang's gonna bring in $20 million. Wu-Tang is going to bring in $20 million. Okay? It's business now on the East Coast. It's business now. It's marketing business. If Wu-Tang doesn't come and sell a million records on a budget like that, there's no business in hip hop on the East Coast. Right, so you're talking on the business side. Not just the, and the culture, it goes both ways.

Starting point is 02:53:49 Right. Because now you got the guy who, like the dude told me to my face, bro, those hoodies are to never work. Like take the hoodies off. Why? Because if you go to the West, beyond NWA, when you get Tone and Young and all these other dudes, dudes are basically Prince Rock Kings. It's packaged.

Starting point is 02:54:18 Mm. They try to package me, it didn't work. Wu-Tang is unpackaged. Mm. So if I become unpack Wu-Tang is unpackaged. So if I become unpackaged, he could be unpackaged. Everybody coming after us could be unpackaged because it's not a package now. It's something else happening. So the impact becomes similar to the same.

Starting point is 02:54:40 Of course, the Asian culture is a whole new thing, right? But then, you know how many brothers started running to the mosque and studying mathematics? Of course, the Asian culture is a whole new thing, right? But then, you know how many brothers started running to the mosque and studying mathematics? You know how many dudes, as the Rue movement is happening, and the college kids, and the blacks and the whites and the Spanish are all kind of vibing into this new thing, and Hot 97 is changing from a club radio station to a hip hop radio station and the new song number one song on Hot 97, Method Man is changing the G.

Starting point is 02:55:14 Now, Meth comes and you get a hip hop Grammy, All I Need. All I Need, remember. If you go back to your hip-hop duets, you can't name 10 of them. That's not just a Grammy winner. They sold two million copies, bro. The single at that time, yo, the single,

Starting point is 02:55:42 Method Man single at that time was competing with We Are the World and Single Cells. Wow. Far as the measurement. Far as the measurement. So something different is happening on this side of the world now. So now it's like, there's money over here. Let's invest.

Starting point is 02:55:58 So then once Q Baleen came and like, yo, everybody started saying the Wu Gambino's, and now we taking on identities. The identities changed the whole hip hop landscape. The identities are still existing. All right, that's real. So now, and it's a platinum. It ain't like a 200,000 seller.

Starting point is 02:56:20 They spend four or 500 grand and make $10 million. It's good business. So the impact is the same thing that Dre is doing on his side of town, right? He's making star after star after star after star. And we're doing it, but the thing that's happening differently- You're saying it's differently.

Starting point is 02:56:39 Yeah, it's almost that, I started this by saying, hip hop is a mercy. Allah gave us a mercy. I started from there. Then you went into the two different groups. I'm trying to let you know that. Then he said, he had Wu-Tang and NWA. It's like, yo, they both had to do a job. They both had to do a job, okay?

Starting point is 02:57:03 And the measurement of that job, you have a guy at the Super Bowl. But hold on, who's the guy that hired him? Another guy. Who hired him? Jay-Z. Jay-Z don't exist if Wu-Tang don't exist. Mm, fact.

Starting point is 02:57:17 Wait up, and I'm not saying that with an ego. I'm saying if we didn't come with Cream and slow it down and put that culture into it, because at the time he's, he's, he's, he's. No, who Gambino makes Jay-Z. Exactly. And of course, nothing but respect to him, because he took it, took it,

Starting point is 02:57:39 and he took it and multiplied it into what he does. But it happens, as Jay said, Jay don't come, I know Ye has a dirty name right now, but never to me. I love that brother, I man love his family, I wish his family would have just been a family, but life is unpredictable, okay? But he don't exist if we don't exist.

Starting point is 02:58:01 And if he don't exist, you got a whole nother slew. Like a lineage. That don't exist. And if you don't exist, you got a whole other slew. Like a lineage. That don't exist. So you go to Dre and you go to the Abbott, you get something special. But you can tell you go to Chuck D and you go to Rico and Andre, you get something special. I mean, public enemy Ice Cube. America's most wanted. That's a trajectory in its own. But something is happening, bro, that when the historians really study it after we all leave here, they're gonna go,

Starting point is 02:58:29 holy shit, these dudes, meaning all of us, including yourself, bro, as you know, these dudes wrote the new Bible. In the Bible, right, somebody could Google, I don't know all the numbers of the books in the Bible. 66 books or something like that. Somebody Google that. None of us know that.

Starting point is 02:58:50 None of us know that. You know how to Google, motherfucker, Google it. Hold on. Who's the Googler? I said 66 off the top. Am I right? How many books? Huh?

Starting point is 02:59:02 I don't know why Mr. Lee touched the computer. Who's the legal like this? I don't believe you at all. I don't know why he. Lee touched the little computer. Mr. Lee goes like this. I don't believe you at all. Hold on. Hold on. He said 66. I beat Google. Mr. B Google. I can't... They're checking it out. I beat Google.

Starting point is 02:59:18 I was faster than Google. I knew it, right? But point being made, I know 66 books, right? There's a book in there called The Book of Opidiah. Is it our first ceramic? Is it our first one? Let's talk about this one. Hold on.

Starting point is 02:59:32 I'm in, I'm in. Paul, let's talk about that bottle. You mind? Yes, please. So put it back for a moment. OK. I'm going to have you come in like this. We already said, the risk of going direct,

Starting point is 02:59:43 we're going to let him direct. We already came with his understanding. Let me get into the spiritual thing. So in the Bible there are 66 books. You probably all know the book of Genesis. You know the New Testament, book of John, Mark, Luke, and all those good brothers. You might know... Does anybody know the book of Opa Daya? No.

Starting point is 03:00:08 Opa Laka? I don't know. Opa Daya, I don't know the book. My bad, my bad, my bad. The book of Opa Daya. Opa Daya, okay. Check it out. Good.

Starting point is 03:00:17 I like that. So what part of the Testament is this? Listen, bro, he might have three pages. It might not be three pages. Well, it's not a book at all then. It's in the book. No, it's called the Book of Opendiah. But it's a pages.

Starting point is 03:00:30 If you're in a book, you're in the book. And you get a book. Yeah, that's real. But he only got a few bars in it. But he's spitting. But he's in the book. He's in the book. He's in the book.

Starting point is 03:00:43 He's in that. So when we think about all of us, bro, right? We in that book. He's in the book. He's in the book. He's in that. So when we think about all of us, bro, right? We in that book. And some of us will be, you know, NWA. Wow, he got 40, 50 pages. We got 40, 50 pages. Somebody going to have to open Dyer. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Starting point is 03:00:58 I see what you're saying. So I'm saying. I see the point you're making. I'm saying. I like the point you're making. No, seriously. But he going to be in the book, and that's what hip hop is doing. It's so vital.

Starting point is 03:01:08 We're making, trust me bro, when you go back and bring all these fucking lyrics together and you bring all this shit and this historian's got to study the times from 1980. Right? From 73. I think I'm a 73, yeah. Yeah, let's take a look at 73. I always say 80 because I was going with the popularity of the first platinum record.

Starting point is 03:01:27 But let's take from 1973 to wherever those spaceships find it, the most information they're going to gain is going to come from hip hop. See, before Soul and Rock was given information, because you could listen to Stevie Wonder as long as four times, like he got some bars. But in hip hop, the type of information, I grew up on the crime side, the New York Times side,

Starting point is 03:01:57 staying alive was no job, at second hands, moms bounce on old man, then we moved to Shiloh land, a young youth, we rockin' to go to, no goose, only way I'm a give a G off is drug loose. Bombs, hold it. Six bars, no, six bars is 10 years. I started on the crime side, the New York Times side. That's already within a frame, right?

Starting point is 03:02:24 Staying alive was no job. He had secondhand clothing. His mother left his father, so now they moved to Staten Island. He's a young youth, rocking a little gold tooth, had a polo goose, and the only way he be getting a G off was drug loot. You don't watch the kid go from a married family,

Starting point is 03:02:49 struggle to a single mother family to now a criminal in the streets selling drugs trying to make a living in six lines. And that's that one empty. So when the spaceship niggas... Wait, wait. You think I was the weed being dropped in the Palm Meadow? Yeah, Palm Meadow's in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn. Oh, for us in Miami, we took it to Palm Meadow. We have a Palm Meadow. And he was like, yo, it was south.

Starting point is 03:03:16 No. But he said pushing a big joint from down south. So that's why we thought the Palm Meadow was us. No, no, no. But Palm Meadow is a spot in Brooklyn. Yeah, it's the Weed spot. We have a highway from the Palmetto. Right. Weed spot.

Starting point is 03:03:28 And the big joint from down at it, it makes sense though. It makes sense to us. It's like a big joint from down south. But the big joint is the car. Because in the old days, New York niggas would go to Virginia to buy the whip for less taxes and drive it back. So now you got a Benz nigga, but what you good for? I got it from down south?

Starting point is 03:03:45 All right, all right, all right. Pushing the big joint from down south. Now filthy stacked up. Better watch your back. These fiends, they got it cracked up. Oh, my man from up north? Now he got a loft. He done came up.

Starting point is 03:04:00 He was locked up, came home, made money, and got a loft. I done went from cream to Cann it Be, though, didn't I? That's okay. Hey, man. I done remixed it. We need to know. We need to know. We need to know. Let me ask you, though, real quick. Okay.

Starting point is 03:04:17 Because everything you're saying in terms of the impact of everything is musically. What about all the elements that are hip hop? Hold on, I didn't say you said music. Well, no, but the way you do it, because you were saying lyrics. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about that. You were saying lyrics. You know what I'm saying? Bro, it's every chamber.

Starting point is 03:04:33 Yes. I'm just speaking on the surface, of course, it's lyrics. Right. But nah, bro, how you dress. Listen. Because I think the elements is what makes hip hop so special. Bro, EFN, you pay $150 for a hoodie, bro. $200, $300, $400 for a hoodie that was banned. They told me that you would never get in the industry.

Starting point is 03:04:55 My first video, we had a hoodie. They said, throw the video in the garbage. OK? We, the culture, when I speak of the culture of hip hop, no, I'm not saying just the lyrics. It's almost like when the colonists came to a country, they first send in the priests. And the priests come with the word first, so in the beginning was the word it says, and then the word becomes flesh.

Starting point is 03:05:23 So of course the word is what penetrates us first, that's the music. But nah bro, I'm talking about the hairstyles, the barber. If the hip hop barber don't exist, you don't gotta cut, bro. The other barber got you looking like leaving the beaver. It's so many chambers, bro. OK.

Starting point is 03:05:48 So when I say NWA and I say Wu-Tang, or you say, I say you guys say NWA, Wu-Tang, Public Enemy. You can keep going. Outkast, De La Soul, you keep naming all these different Rakim, Nas. Pivotal groups, right. Right? Biggie. They are putting something in this palette that is changing the world.

Starting point is 03:06:13 Your girl is going to tell you to go get her a Louis Vuitton bag, bro. Not because of Louis Vuitton, because of hip hop. God damn. Seriously. You got to feel Louis Vuitton. Oh, seriously. Because what hip hop did with Louis Vuitton. Right.

Starting point is 03:06:33 Because what hip hop did with Gucci. It's like those things, it's like we took, you know, like one point we had a problem with sampling, right? Sampling tried to cripple us, and it did. But that's why you also have this whole new wave with just trap beats and dope beats that don't depend upon it, right?

Starting point is 03:06:52 Don't depend upon it. And replaying beats. Yeah, and I was just saying, it got electronic for a moment. Yes, okay. I did it with Bobby Digital, actually. I did Bobby Digital because they was taking all my shit, bro. I was like, fuck y'all, then I hit the button.

Starting point is 03:07:05 You can't appreciate that I'm making somebody go back. When you hear a song like After the Laughter, there'll be tears. It didn't sell a million records, bro. But when I sampled it, it sold a million. Wow. Okay. The real record, you're saying the original.

Starting point is 03:07:19 The real record, no way, no way. Sold it like that, bro. But they got the publishing off of that. Of course, of course. Hip-hop re-energized the value. That's what hip-hop did. That's what it did. It re-energized the value.

Starting point is 03:07:32 I say the resurrected, I resurrect shit. You know, we brought it back. So I just want to still, in this punchline with that, hip-hop has been able to, through its culture, inspire and create a value for the world. Whether it's K-pop, whether it's all the new fashion. All the new fashions coming out of the pan.

Starting point is 03:07:57 You said that, you argued with me before. That's ridiculous, man. Yo, it's hip hop. K-pop is hip hop? K-pop is BVD when they was doing R&B hip hop. If you go back to Bel Biv Devoe, Poison. First of all, what they sampled?

Starting point is 03:08:16 G-Rap, Poison. Exactly. They always sampled hip hop. I know, but that Poison sample for us was everything, but G-Rap only sold 200,000, 300,000 records at that time. They sample Poison, bam, it's platinum. Most people don't even know it's G-Rap.

Starting point is 03:08:31 Yeah. But then the- Are they doing that too? Are they sampling? What they're doing now is sampling the culture. Yeah. Okay. So they check it out.

Starting point is 03:08:43 What's they supposed to do? But there's a producer over there right now, he's American. He over there, he caking the fuck up. Culture. Yeah. Okay? So they check it out. What's they supposed to do? But there's a producer over there right now. He's American. He over there, he caking the fuck up, yo. He should be. As he should be. He's over there like, listen, guys.

Starting point is 03:08:54 Cake up, cake, pay by me. He's cake. He got 100 beats, yo. He got 100 beats, yo. Wow. He control the... You going again? We skinnier than you, guys. We skinnier than you, man.

Starting point is 03:09:02 We skinnier than you, man. We skinnier than you, man. We skinnier than you, man. We skinnier than you, man. We skinnier than you, man. We Fuck you don't get it. We skinnier than you, guys. Mr. Lee, you think you're very good? You got the key. All right, let me pass the mic back. I'll get it. It's all good.

Starting point is 03:09:19 It's all good. Hold up. Hold up. All right, Sybil, hold on. I just got breaking news. Is it 7 o'clock? Breaking news. Oh, why? Wu-Tang Clan joins forces with Dej Chappelle to unveil their highly anticipated time capsule tour.

Starting point is 03:09:33 Oh, the time capsule. Yeah. Oh, the time capsule is... Oh, man, we got to talk about my movie. I forgot about that. Okay, let's go. Let's do a time capsule. I live today.

Starting point is 03:09:41 Yeah, damn, forgot about that. So what's the time capsule tour about? So the time capsule is on our tour, we're bringing with us's time capsule. I'll leave it at that. Yeah, damn, forgot about that. Okay, so what's the time capsule tour about? So the time capsule is, on our tour, we're bringing with us a time capsule. And this is the final tour? Yeah, this is the final chamber tour. Final chamber tour. And we're bringing this time capsule. Okay.

Starting point is 03:09:55 And wherever we go, every city we go, we're going to have somebody from that city put something into that capsule. So whether, I mean, somebody could put this, one of these in there, whatever. Somebody will be lucky enough to put something in theirs in that time capsule and we're going to figure out the end. Are we going to put that time capsule on the top of a mountain? We're going to put it somewhere, but it's going to be the woo time capsule that captured everything.

Starting point is 03:10:20 So what happened- I've never heard of this. Yeah, I was just saying, it's a new thing. Okay, okay. But what happened was the tour starts on June 6th in Baltimore. Okay. But Dave had asked me five years ago. He said, yo, Rez, if you get the Wu-Tang Clan to come to Yellow Springs, Ohio, those motherfuckers

Starting point is 03:10:42 will go bananas. He has a small club in Yellow Springs. I already hold up. You guys been there? Okay. Yo, the woo went there. No way. Exactly.

Starting point is 03:10:52 But it was like, we don't come, we only coming together now for our tour. Right. So officially off the grid, off the record, the first stop of this tour was Yellow Springs, Ohio. Wow. Okay? So the tour already started?

Starting point is 03:11:09 Unofficially. Unofficially. Okay, you said that, I'ma remind. But no, the first show, yeah, so you could say the first show of the tour, yes, it started. Okay. Was in Yellow Springs, Ohio, at Dave Chappelle's club. So that means he gotta do what? Oh, they gotta do what?

Starting point is 03:11:24 They have to put something in the time capsule. And Dave, I don't know what he put in there, but Dave, whatever the Ohio people did, he has something that he's putting into this time capsule. So when we get to Baltimore, they'll be the second people. Dave beat them to the punch. So you don't know what these people are putting in the time capsule? No, no. They can put they one in there.

Starting point is 03:11:44 I put in first. I'm first, sorry about that. Okay, okay, okay. I put in some floppy disk. Yeah. Okay. From the flood. Okay. Okay. From the flood. Yeah, so I had a flood that washed away a lot of my beats.

Starting point is 03:11:58 Uh-huh. It's like it's a biblical flood. And so I took a couple of, a real flood. Uh-huh. Not the slang flood. Well, okay, all right. So I had a flood that washed away all flood. Uh huh. Not the slang flood. Okay, all right. All right, so I had a flood that washed away all my floppy disks. Uh huh.

Starting point is 03:12:09 And I still have those floppy disks, but they just don't work in the ASR 10 no more. Okay. Because they got damaged. And so I took a couple of floppy disks and I put them in a time capsule as my contribution to the future. So that means that this floppy disk,

Starting point is 03:12:22 if people discover this, wherever you put the time counts right, later on in life, they discover this, this might be some unreleased Wu-Tang songs. Yeah, unreleased Wu-Tang beats. Either unreleased or is it the original... Substance. ...substance of a song. No, it may be unreleased.

Starting point is 03:12:39 It gotta be unreleased. Because some of this stuff never happened. Wow. I never resampled it. So you understand, you went to the bathroom on me. What happened? I'm sorry. I'm giving beers out to the people.

Starting point is 03:12:50 All right. So they just unveiled him and Wu-Tang and De Chappelle. I saw the post. I didn't see an unveiling. Yeah, so what they're doing is for each stop on the tour, they're going to have a time capsule. Yeah, it's one time capsule, probably about, you know, like this, right? So you don't bring your fucking turntable, okay?

Starting point is 03:13:15 But every city we go to, somebody is allowed to put something into that time capsule for their city. Anything? Yeah, I mean something reasonable, bro. Right. Right. I know you was condoing shit. But no, some crazy L.A. news y'all. What I'm trying to say is something that's Wu-related.

Starting point is 03:13:36 Yeah, yeah, something that's Wu-related or that makes sense that somebody could appreciate. Like I put in two floppy disks from my old beat machine that doesn could appreciate. Like, I put in two floppy disks from my old beat machine that doesn't work. So I put that in there. So Dave put in something from whatever he put in. And that was the only two things I sent in. Is what I put in and what Dave put in. I first stop would be Baltimore and somebody from that city would put something in.

Starting point is 03:14:02 And every city we go to, hopefully at the end of the day, we're able to hit the world with this. And everybody around the world gets to put something in that box. And that box becomes, you gotta come to the joint. Is you going to Miami? No, yes, yes, one day.

Starting point is 03:14:17 But right now, you're not scheduled. What the fuck? No, I said that too. That drink champs helped schedule that. Yo, bro, we going to Tampa. I said, yo. We could be a part of that. Hey, yo, bro, we going to Tampa. I said, yo. We could be a part of that. Well, yeah.

Starting point is 03:14:27 OK, so come to Tampa. But still, I was like, how are we going to Tampa and then we go to Miami? Right, right. Miami is the worst city for tours. No, it ain't. We came here. We killed Miami for what?

Starting point is 03:14:36 No, no, no, I'm saying tours in general. Ticketmaster, I mean, I don't know. From back in the days from marketing times that I worked, they've always said that. Yeah. OK. Because Miami, they don't buy tickets. They go to Club Eleven and shit. Yeah, they've always said that. Yeah. Okay. Because Miami, they don't buy tickets.

Starting point is 03:14:46 They go to Club 11 and shit. Yeah, they go to the Club 11 and hang out with you instead of going to the show. And booby trap and shit like that. So let's explain this ceramic. Okay, bump bump. All right, so I'm going to do this like a public announcement. I respect that. Hey, yo, you got the RZA in the building.

Starting point is 03:15:01 Yes. I got EFN in the building. Yes, sir. I got Norrie in the building. Let's go, let's go. They invited me to drink champs. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:15:09 Yeah. That's how I did drop. Check it out. He invited me like. For years. Years, years. And it always wanted to be calm, but it was different circumstances.

Starting point is 03:15:19 It didn't allow me. Right. And it bong, bong, bong. But this circumstance allowed me. Yes. But as I watched his show, he's always drinking some shit some niggas. Yeah. I can say it.

Starting point is 03:15:27 Yeah yeah yeah we good. I can say niggas. Say whatever the fuck you want. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. Bleep all my niggas. I don't want to say niggas. Yeah yeah yeah cool cool.

Starting point is 03:15:34 Some niggas. Bleep my niggas. You gon' bleep all my niggas? You gotta talk to the bleepers. My niggas. My niggas. My niggas. You gon' bleep my niggas.

Starting point is 03:15:43 The cocaine section got you. All my cocaine niggas. Bleep all my niggas. You gotta stop saying it. You can't even say it. All my cocaine niggas, my niggas, my niggas, bleep my niggas. The cocaine section got you. All my cocaine niggas, bleep all my niggas. You can't even say it. All my cocaine niggas, bleep my niggas. Anyway, so now, so I said I'll come bunk bunk with you and we here, but I wanted to drink something that's more of an upper. And so we have sake.

Starting point is 03:16:03 We've been drinking sake for this whole shit. But this is the special one. No, no, three bottles. This is the third one. This is our fourth bottle. This is the fourth? This is the third. This is the third.

Starting point is 03:16:12 Yeah, it's the third. You hit one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. Is this the special one? This is the special one. You want it or you want this? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 03:16:19 It's the special one. It's special. This is our special bottle. Look at this bottle. Look at that. Ooh. Hey, where the. Look at this. Ooh. Hey, where the camera man at? Yeah.

Starting point is 03:16:27 You want to zoom in on that? Yeah, yeah, zoom in on that. It's that cocaine wipe? Yeah. Hey, yo. So, oh, you say cocaine wipe? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You got the cocaine addict, huh?

Starting point is 03:16:38 Yeah, man. Bitch, huh? My brother. You can't get a sniff that far right now. My brother, no, no. You can sip it, but you can't get a sip that far right now. My brother, no, no. You can sip it, but you can't sniff it. So why is this one white?

Starting point is 03:16:55 It's ceramic. It's ceramic. Yeah. But what's the difference between the other bottles we've had? That's the big boy one. I'm trying to help the process. You know what, it's crazy. The other bottle was black.

Starting point is 03:17:03 Right. And then we had a blue one, I'm trying to help the process here. Know what? It's crazy. The other bottle was black. Right. And then we had a blue one, I think, or no? Listen, bro, we try to represent all the human families. Excluding the blue family. When the blue pop off the avatar.

Starting point is 03:17:19 That's what we drink. We drink the clear one and the blue one. The yellow one, right? The other one kind of yellowish. Why you not bring the Latino family out? We did. We had that. Wait, wait, what's a Latino? We have one more left.

Starting point is 03:17:32 We have several. Several? Let me see the rest. Let's see the rest. Let's see the rest. Let's bring all of humanity out here. I ain't gonna lie. This shit got me nice, but like, like, you're not sleeping.

Starting point is 03:17:45 This shit was like shroom but you're like, but not really. You know what's so crazy? We all drink. Right, right. And we drink because that's what we do. But if you're gonna drink, honestly bro, you better all drink a sake. No, sake's a great drink. It's a better, it's better for you.

Starting point is 03:18:03 There's the Latino I think. Oh, which one's Latino? That one. That's right. That's Latino. I think that one's different than the first one. You're saying that's not Latino? I feel how they did it.

Starting point is 03:18:12 I like this. What's this one? That's the, that's the aliens. This is the, that's the future. That's the half of time. That's who we all are. We come to AI. Yeah, it's the AI version.

Starting point is 03:18:22 All right, but let's stick with the tour. Hold on. Because that's the big boy. Hold up, but this is, the AI version. All right, but let's stick with the ceramic, because that's the big boy. Hold up, but this is the white man. That's the big boy one. So bad. Hey, listen. No, it's because it's ceramic.

Starting point is 03:18:34 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's ceramic and suspension. Also, look at that top. Exactly. Hold on, look at that top, bro. That top is like, you know what I mean? It's like a nice hat right there, son.

Starting point is 03:18:42 That's the way it came? When did the lights open? Now she opened it. OK. They go like this, bro. Let me nice hat right there, son. That's the way it came? That she open it. It go like this, bro. Let me help you out. I'm glad you asked it, because I was like, ah. That shit was tilted on. Yeah, you know, like that.

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Starting point is 03:23:12 We're drinking it. Right. But we've been through some bottles. Right. This bottle just came out recently. I've been drinking this for a couple of years since we was in Paris. Me and Norrie drunk this in Paris.

Starting point is 03:23:23 He told them the story. No, no, you drink this Mr. Shit. This is not how it was. I think in Paris. He told them the stories. No, no, you drink this Mr. Shit. I think in Paris you might have been one of these. Okay, yeah. But you told me when I saw you at Ray's Wedding, you was like, yo, you fucked me up with that. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:23:35 And I was like, okay. Because it tastes so good, I didn't know. I said, I'm going to fuck him up again. Yeah. And then when we decided to drink, when my time allowed me to be here and bless you, and you guys have blessed me with this time. And thank you for coming as well.

Starting point is 03:23:45 Thank you. Thank you. Let's hit that ceramic. Come on. I was like, we going with sake. So here goes the sake. The ceramic sake. The long version.

Starting point is 03:23:53 You're going to have to pour this in. Yes, please. Make sure all our cups are clean. It's called the bongi? No, I just bonged it bong. No, no, no, no. Let's know it's called Heaven sake. No, no, no.

Starting point is 03:24:01 You look at that. Hold up, hold up. The ceramic got to be called the bongi. OK. You know what I mean? Anybody out there who works for that company? Yes. He just renamed it. Yes, the bongi.

Starting point is 03:24:11 The bongi. The bongi. Yeah. Let me drink that. But hold on, real quick. You want to go straight, right? Read the word. Just read the word of the name of the brand.

Starting point is 03:24:21 What does it say? It says, brother. Heaven's sake and. Oh, he said it. Say it again. Heaven's sake say? Glasses, brother. Huh? Heaven's sake and- Oh, he said it. Say it again? Heaven's sake. He said heaven's sake.

Starting point is 03:24:29 Or heaven's sake. Right. So there's a song on the Wu-Tang album that's called Heaven's sake. Oh. Oh, so heaven's sake. No, so when I saw this, when I saw it, I was like, he's in tune with me. You just tricked me right now. You want me to say it wrong so it didn't play. No, I didn't trick you.

Starting point is 03:24:41 You said it right. You're like, ear, finger, fuck tricking you. No, no, I'm not tricking you. You said it right. Yeah. What? You're like, ear, finger, fuck that Someone bought it? Somebody bought it to him. Oh, OK. OK, from Japan. All right, cool.

Starting point is 03:25:07 All right, yo, yo, yo. Tell him to tell the Japanese brother over there. Tell him to tell the Japanese brother over there. He's not Japanese. He's not Japanese. He's not Japanese. Just smile with him. He's on camera.

Starting point is 03:25:21 No, he said, konnichiwa. He said, I don't know Chinese, bro. You know what's so crazy about Japanese language? Uh-huh. No, he said, konnichiwa. He said, I don't know Chama. You know what's so crazy about Japanese language? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. If you can't remember Japanese language, the best thing to do is to try to take the word

Starting point is 03:25:36 and make it an English sentence. Like, arigato. Thank you. I mean, it's thank you. Right, right. But how would you flip that? Arigatos. Arigato. Thank you. I mean, it's thank you. Right, right. But how would you flip that? Arigatos. Arigatos.

Starting point is 03:25:46 Arigatos. Arigatos. Arigatos. Arigatos. I'm not thinking of those. For me, I say you got a lot of gatos, man. I don't know. You got a lot of cats.

Starting point is 03:25:54 I was expecting that. I got like, arigatos. All right, teach me another one. Teach me another one. Uh, uh, konichiwa. Konichiwa. Konichiwa. Konichiwa.

Starting point is 03:26:04 OK, how do we flip that? That goes to a girl. Oh, my God. No. What, she... She reeks a lot? No, he's thinking... Konnichiwa, konnichiwa.

Starting point is 03:26:13 Yeah. And then you say... No. Oh, you know what I just said? I don't think I want to say it on the mic. We'll hear it again? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:26:21 For konnichiwa, konnichiwa, konnichi... Hold on. Huh? Konnichiwa. That's not like, uh... Konnichiwa. Konnichiwa, konnichiwa, konnichiwa. Hold on. Huh? Konnichiwa. That's not like, uh. Konnichiwa. Konnichiwa, konnichiwa. Konnichiwa.

Starting point is 03:26:31 Oh! Konnichiwa. Konnichiwa. I don't know. Konnichiwa. No! I don't know. I'm here to help you remember the words.

Starting point is 03:26:40 What? Yeah, man. Mr. N. Scott can't remember any more words. Hold on. Sayonara. Sayonara. Sayonara tonight. Sayonara tonight. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

Starting point is 03:26:59 oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, All right, it's all funny. It's our first ceramic shot. Ceramic. Ceramic. I drink a spissive whiskey. I drink a spissive shit. And where do we get the ceramics from? We're going to melt it to you. I'm going to tell you like this. I'm going to tell you like this. Smells a little stronger than the other ones.

Starting point is 03:27:18 Smells sweeter, actually. I smell sweetness, but I smell that strongness as well. Nice. All right, let me try. All right, go. Tell me what you feel. Do you feel the karate kid inside of you? No.

Starting point is 03:27:28 No. I'm going second. Smoother. Smoother? I'm in. I'm in. Smoother. It smells strong.

Starting point is 03:27:35 Ooh. Ooh. Oh, wait a minute. No. That's good. That's good. Yeah. That was good.

Starting point is 03:27:41 Can I say something? It's a cat around my heart right now. Aw, that's nice. I'm gonna catch. Let's good. Yeah, that was good. Can I say you something? It's a cat around my heart right now. Aw, that's nice. Let's tell the audience something. When we was first talking about doing this episode, we actually wanted to go to Japan, and we were so hyped about that. Hold on, can I invite you to Japan?

Starting point is 03:27:55 Yes, please. Hold on, wait, I said that in English? Yeah. I like that he understood that. I said, can I invite you to Japan? Yeah. You said it in Japanese? I know what I said.

Starting point is 03:28:04 Can I invite you guys to Japan? Yes. So if you ever invite me back to the show. No, no, we'd never. This is your home now. Yeah. We got to go to Japan one time. OK.

Starting point is 03:28:14 Please, let's do this. All right, I'm going to. A special drink challenge. And yo, we got to make that happen. Yeah, please. All right, bunk, bunk. Please. So Drake Champs is one of the top

Starting point is 03:28:25 and pioneering hip hop podcasts of it all. Thank you, thank you. And I'm happy that you sparked so many other brothers and a lot of brothers are eating well because of you. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. Oh, may you be eating well at the same time.

Starting point is 03:28:38 Yes, yes, that's right. How you got though? I did that, exactly. I did that. And now it's a privilege for me to be here and an honor. I'm glad I decided to fuck with you. You know, one thing happened to me too, I could talk. So, you know, I took my shahada, right?

Starting point is 03:28:55 Even though when I got now as a self, I already, when you get now as a self- You kind of already have shahada when you have now as a self. When I was a self, one of my days, they make you fast three days before they give you the lessons. You're talking about the lessons of the five and six? Yes. Yes, you fast three days.

Starting point is 03:29:12 Yeah. So, so, so what's the difference between taking your shahada because fasting three days and getting the lessons. And you're talking about the 120 lessons, right? Yeah, the 120 lessons, right? I had to fast for three days and I got that. But then when I did the shahada, right, first of all, my lesson said, the lesson says that what is your own self?

Starting point is 03:29:28 What is your own self? And they were speaking primarily to the Latins, the Native Americans, and the black men of America who kind of was lost from ourselves. Is that where they said the Asiatic black man? Yeah, the Asiatic meaning that life itself was more of origin in Asia. At one point, the whole planet was called Asia.

Starting point is 03:29:51 It wasn't called Africa. Africa is more of a later name, maybe 2000 years old at best, maybe 1500 years old. Before the continents moved as well. Yeah. Asia just means land. So everything was land before Asia just means land. Right, right. Right. So everything was land before we started painting borders.

Starting point is 03:30:07 But it said that our own selves are righteous Muslims. Now what do that mean? Would you consider yourself righteous, EFN? Or would you try to be righteous? Try to be, for sure. You try to be righteous? Absolutely. And I strive to be righteous? Try to be, for sure. You try to be righteous? Absolutely. And I strive to be righteous.

Starting point is 03:30:26 Okay? And the word Muslim, meaning Musalam, meaning either one from the city or from the idea of peace. So basically you could translate the word Muslim to a man of peace. Do you feel like you're a man of peace? Yeah, I do. You feel like you're a man of peace? I feel like I'm a man of peace? Yeah, I do. Big time. You feel like you're a man of peace? I feel like I'm a man of peace.

Starting point is 03:30:45 So, one of our strivings is to be a righteous man of peace. And because that's one of our strivings, right, because that's our physical presence, it's healthy for us to acknowledge that. Right? So, when I took the shahada, I did not listen to that because my lesson already described who I was. Now, then some people would hit me up there, yo, why you drinking, bro?

Starting point is 03:31:13 You know what I mean? After your shahada? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. And I just said to them, I just say at the end of the day, my strive is my strive. You know what I mean? I'm sure there'll come a time I won't drink,

Starting point is 03:31:24 I start smoking and I'll continue to become as more- Shed things, right. Exactly, more as righteous as I can. You know what I mean? But as I'm moving through my entertainment world and dealing with these things, I actually don't drink before I go on stage, before I drunk every time.

Starting point is 03:31:40 So everything is getting better and better. And that's the goal of it, to have a path to get better and better. And that's the goal of it, to have a path to get better and better. Now also I'm a Shaolin disciple. And so Shaolin was founded or brought to the surface by a man named Bodhidharma. And Bodhidharma, yeah, he drunk wine. And that's why you have a drunk Buddha, a laughing Buddha.

Starting point is 03:32:06 A drunken monkey. A sleeping Buddha. You got all these different things. Because these are all different expressions of what a man might have to go through to find enlightenment. So our lessons teach us that we are, by nature, we should be righteous and we should be a men of peace. But Bodhidharma means enlightened righteousness.

Starting point is 03:32:29 So now you could be righteous, but how about enlightened righteousness? And so do my challenge studies, that's what I strive to be. You look at the Rizza, may you see enlightened righteousness that's striving for peace. Just wanna share that with you brothers.

Starting point is 03:32:47 All right. Now there's a rumor that to come see you, you got to walk up 100 steps. To come see you, bitch. The boss will tell you that. Yeah. No, no. I do know that. No, no.

Starting point is 03:33:02 Because no, because no, my other studio, my other studio. Did you recreate the Shaman Temple? No, the other studio, I call the studio Temples. The other studio, you had to walk up these steps. When you get up there, you be out of breath, bro. I should give you one story you should edit about that. But when you walk up the studio steps, you get there, you're out of breath. And that's that.

Starting point is 03:33:26 But then I've got to, me and my wife bought another spot. And we built the studio over there. And this studio, now you got to walk down 120 steps. Oh shit. So gag is, you can walk down 120. You got to walk up. You got to still walk up. Exactly.

Starting point is 03:33:41 When you leave. So it makes you not want to leave. It makes you not want to leave. Oh. It makes you not want to leave. But one quick story, you can edit this in because I'm going to be dragging it. Let me know if we went out of time. No, no, no. There's no time here. There's no time for you.

Starting point is 03:33:54 All right. So, yo. So, yeah. So I have a studio that's way up. The studio I had was built up 120 steps. And you know, when Buzz came through, he did the 120. Nas came through, he did the 120. You know, whatever. Whoever came through did the 120 steps. And you know, when Buzz came through, he did the 120, Nas came through, he did the 120, you know, whoever came through did the 120.

Starting point is 03:34:08 Right. Right? And you know, you get up there, you're out of breath. I did a song with my brother, my hero, my wife's hero, Sly, from Sly and the Family Stone. Wow. So I was supposed to say Sly Stone. So Sly Stone comes to do a song.

Starting point is 03:34:25 I'm doing this thing called Afro Samurai. And I want to do a song. I want to remake Family Affair. Family Affair. And my wife is the big Sly family. Like, baby, I think I talked to George Clinton, and he's going to bring Sly to the studio. We're going to do that song over.

Starting point is 03:34:43 It's like, cool. All right, so now, but Sly is quite adamant, if you're gonna do this session, he needs at least half the cheese up front. You know what I mean? I'm cool with that. Bam-a-lam-a.

Starting point is 03:35:00 Here's half the cheese, okay? He comes to the sessions, and it's those steps. Oh shit. All right? Tell me. And you know, so he wants the second half. But he gotta hit these steps. Right, so he has this gentleman with him.

Starting point is 03:35:22 This gentleman he had with him, I can't really describe this gentleman. This gentleman kinda like, he was bald headed, but he had like a string of hair that hung off his side and shit. I couldn't- Like a monk? No, he wasn't a monk though.

Starting point is 03:35:32 But I'm saying like a monk. Like a monk, like a, like some very, very, very unique individual. I'm like, I don't know what that was. But remember, they come from an era, pre-us. They come from the psychedelic era. Some shit was happening back then. Yeah, he might have been psychedelic with it.

Starting point is 03:35:50 That was a psychedelic- Yeah. And I met him at Sly House, and then Sly pulls up to the studio, and Sly has this van that's like his personal van. Like when he travels, this van has a bed, bathroom. Holy shit. It's a Scooby-Doo type van. Good, right?

Starting point is 03:36:12 And so he's like, yo, I mean, I don't know what he's like. I'm in the studio, but I'm waiting for him, but he never comes up. And then all of a sudden, the guy with the one bong. Carries him up. Yeah. No, no. He shows up, he knocks on the door.

Starting point is 03:36:29 You open up like, hey, what's Sly had? He's like, remember it's 120 steps. He's like, brother RZA, brother Sly was wondering could he get the rest of the advance before he comes up. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever. You know what I mean? Just tell brother Sly to come on up. We'll do the song, we got the advance, and it'll be all good.

Starting point is 03:36:56 Just tell him come on up. He said, okay. So now he has to go back down. Say, go, it's back down. He comes back up again. No sly. No sly, bro. Brother,

Starting point is 03:37:12 brother, brother, brother sly is wondering if you could at least give me a portion of your batch. Oh, shit. before he comes off." I'm like, I'm smoking too.

Starting point is 03:37:34 Like how much? You know what I mean? Like I tell brother Sly, I do have some cash here. I don't really keep cash. Yeah, you're not getting it on you. But I do have some cash here because you go go ask Brother Sly like, how much cash would be cool? To get him up here. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:37:52 He goes down again. He comes back. Do it. Do it to him. Yo, no Sly. He's working. Linus. The hair is like out of breath.

Starting point is 03:38:07 He chose me the number though. Five thou, you know what I mean? I'm like, shit, I don't really got five thou. I got 2,500 cash right there. I don't know, Shavo had it, somebody had it. You might got, you know, Mattel, Buffalo Slaw. We got, you know, Shavo had it, somebody had it. And my guy, look at you, 20. But tell Brother Sla, we got, you know, 2,500, whatever. He goes, he comes back with him the fourth time though,

Starting point is 03:38:33 you know what I mean? But the point of the story is that those steps, you know what I mean? It's serious. Yeah, it means you coming to work. You coming to work. Once he gets up there, he's working. He's not coming back down.

Starting point is 03:38:43 And Brother Sla came up, sat. I had a rose piano. And he sat there, bro. And he played, it's a family affair. And sung that shit. And I know you never come to the studio like that. She comes when she comes.

Starting point is 03:39:01 But I was like- Because of the steps? Uh-oh. The steps, everything. No, the studio, if she comes when she comes, but I was like- Cause of the steps? Uh oh. The steps, everything. No, no. Okay, okay. The studio, if she comes to the studio, she's coming to flush everything down the toilet. Right, right, right, okay.

Starting point is 03:39:11 Okay. Okay. It's the old days. I don't get, I don't smoke or drink. I'm not drink. I don't smoke, nothing at all. Right. But the old days, you go come to my studio, and I'm gonna share this with you.

Starting point is 03:39:20 Right. And you can throw it in the garbage or you can keep it. No, we gon' keep it. If you came to my studio, bro, no matter what you did, it's in the cabinet. I don't do everything you do. Oh, you saying like all the bad habits is in the cabinet? No matter what you do, if you say, yo, Riz, all I do is eat monkey, monkey shit with soap and piss.

Starting point is 03:39:41 It's in the cabinet. I got a jar for you. If you come to the studio, I got you covered, bro. I got dudes that came that had no session. They knew that. If you come to the studio, there's something in there. They had no session. They just wanted to hang.

Starting point is 03:39:56 They walking 120 steps, though. They deserve it. They deserve it. So, if she came up there, though, and all that shit is there, all that shit goes in the toilet, in the garbage, because that's not healthy for us. She always was promoting health for us, consciousness, health and shit. So she come, throw it out, all the guys are coming, yo shit what happened? I said, my wife came up and shit, don't worry. 24 hours, I'll be restocked.

Starting point is 03:40:25 Right, right. So, my brother Sly comes up and I'm like, yo, let me call downstairs and have her come up. And I call downstairs and she came up and watched brother Sly perform this song, yo. Wow. So, you don't have an elevator on the side of the steps? Bro, you need a zip line if you're like,

Starting point is 03:40:48 It's crazy. Nah, it's deep. There's no elevator there. Oh, OK. I don't remember how Buster told me this story. How did you know that Buster told me that story? Because when he came up the stairs, he was like, yo, aloh.

Starting point is 03:41:00 Yo, aloh. Yeah. He was like, yo, G, like, you serious about that kung fu shit, God? You want some real white lotus temple shit, Lord? He was like, it's a one-time visit, Lord. One-time visit, Lord. One-time visit. He was like, but I had that yellow machine, though. They had that.

Starting point is 03:41:29 He was like, empty that motherfucker. And I emptied it for him. Oh, shit. That's hilarious. Bunk Bunk, let's, uh, how we doing? How we doing? We great. We great.

Starting point is 03:41:40 We finished quick till it stopped. Hold on, I got this. I got this. Liquefies, forwards, or return to the 36th chamber. Hold on, sorry. I'm gonna put this. Liquid Swords or Return to the 36 Chambers. I'm gonna put a 15-minute timer on them. OK. OK. Oh, we got to talk about the movie, too.

Starting point is 03:41:50 I'm gonna put a 20-minute timer. And then we do the movie? We do the movie. All right, cool. All right, so Liquid Swords or Return to the 36 Chambers. In which way? Whichever way you say. I mean.

Starting point is 03:42:01 I don't think that's fair. Why Liquid Swords? The easy one? Oh.'t think that's fair. Liquid Swords is an easy one. Oh, I think it's hard. Well, that's what I said. I said in which way. Right. They both are two unique things, right?

Starting point is 03:42:13 But if you want us to be like, like in the hip hop canine, people are going to say Liquid Swords, right? But the thing that ODB did, and this is how to make my answers shorter, and shit like you can put a two minute timer on me. No, you good. Right, the thing that ODB did, was people don't realize,

Starting point is 03:42:35 ODB made the first hip hop comedy album. Yeah, he did. I thought Biz kinda did. Biz Markie. Okay, all right, you're sorry about that. Okay. Okay, I'll say Biz is the father. You're right.

Starting point is 03:42:46 So ODB. But modern and he modernized. ODB modernized. He brought it to the tradition. Yeah. I mean, his shit is almost Richard Pryor-y. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:42:56 And for me, creating it with him, it was like intentional. One of the best beats on the album, to me, was called Going Down. And that beat was actually for Havoc. Wow. And shit, when Havoc, cause Steve was like, could you help produce Mobb Deep album?

Starting point is 03:43:17 And then I met Havoc before, but then when we met in the office that day, I was like, you don't need me, God. Let's do it yourself. Like the same thing, what you call him told me, Daddy-O, I said to him. Yeah, like produce all your own shit. Yeah, that's in bong bong.

Starting point is 03:43:33 He made some of the best shits in history, right? But I still had, but I promised him one. Okay. And it was this track called Going Down. But then ODB said, I want it. So I said, all right, fuck it, God, you have what you want. But in the middle of that track, his words, they're upstairs cooking fish up in the upstairs and they cooking shit and we down in the studio and he's like,, God, I want to do something crazy in the middle.

Starting point is 03:44:09 I said, what? So I want my whiz to come down and argue with me. I was like, that's genius. So I said, yo, come down, and I'm like, you guys gonna get into an argument. I'm gonna record this shit. And they record an argument. Fuck this.

Starting point is 03:44:24 But that was a real argument? I mean, good enough. You know what I mean? They probably made a gag of it. Yeah, good enough though. We an act man. Right. And then the gag was, in the middle of that argument, he's going to sing Somewhere Over

Starting point is 03:44:37 the Rainbow. And he does it. And that's in the middle of a song. So no other album can do that in the whole Wu-Tang-K then. So ODB brought something to the table that's crazily unique and like he said, it was new, a new chamber. But how often did he do that? Did he insert his vision on the tracks for his...

Starting point is 03:45:02 I mean, no, for me and him, yes. his vision on the tracks for his... I mean, no, for me and him, yes. He, like, like, like, there's times where, as the Abbot, I demand what he do. Right. Because I would have that position, and I could say, yo, you go and do this. They promised that I'd give me five years of saying,

Starting point is 03:45:18 I could say whatever I want to say. Right. And everybody agreed. So it was time I told him, do this. But no, this, like, the track Stomp, he made that track and then gave it to me to finish. Wow. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:45:31 I said, yo, go buy an ASR. He bought an ASR. He only made four beats in his whole life. Because he really wasn't that patient. Right. You know what I mean? But he made that track Stomp. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:45:43 I just add the bass and some other shit to it. But that's so that's so that you know, he was very involved with his album. But certain things I was like, nah, you're doing this, you're doing that, I need this. Or remember that song you did when you was a kid? I need this. But when you hear us say, he has one song where he does the same, he has two songs on the album, and they both got the same verse. The exact same verse on two separate songs. Two different publishing checks.

Starting point is 03:46:11 On the same album. On the same album. It's called Dammit. He does the same rhyme on three songs, if you really check it. He used a piece of it for another song. What the fuck? This shit wet? It wet? He said, yo, God, trust me. I said, all right, I trust you. When he did Shame on a Nigga, he came in so late in the studio, I was angry.

Starting point is 03:46:36 I said, yo, man, you say he's going to... Fuck that, God. They had a bitch with him and shit. Yo, God, just turn the mic on. Because it is my cousin. And he know if I go at it, it could be a two hour argument, then we'll get to work. He's like, no, just turn the mic on. Fuck all the pussy. We went in there and one take nigga, he did that song. Wow.

Starting point is 03:46:56 Say you want a nigga that try to run game on a nigga. I was like, nah, finish the hook, God. Nah, nigga, that's finished. I said, you didn't say God. Nah, nigga, that's finished. I said, nah, you didn't say everything. They gonna love it. I'm like, fuck it. I kept it.

Starting point is 03:47:14 I believed him. Did you really believe him, though? Yes. Okay. I totally- Take a shot for believing in him. I totally believe him. Take a shot for ODB.

Starting point is 03:47:23 Yeah, yeah, solo. Rest in peace. Let meR-D. I totally believe him. Take a shot for O-D-B. Yeah, yeah, so I look. Rest in peace. Let me tell you something. As a person that knew you for a long time, the one time I felt like, this is me as an outsider looking in, I felt the uncomfortable situation was when I seen you, Dirty, and Dame Dash together, right?

Starting point is 03:47:44 Ooh, that one. Like, I ain't gonna lie, you know what I mean? You saw my uncomfortability like a motherfucker. I saw it because, you know, I just, one, I'm an artist, I'm in the industry, and I'm watching this through BET, right? So it's not like, it's not no inside information. I'm actually watching this with the people.

Starting point is 03:48:03 But I've seen that you knew that he didn't belong there or you felt that he didn't belong there. But she was respecting your cousin's decision and you was respecting your artist because in this game it's frowned upon to keep somebody, right? So I saw you let him go, but then I saw you like work with him,

Starting point is 03:48:22 but I saw your hurtness in your heart. I don't know if I'm accurate or not. Are you accurate with that, yo? Okay, I'm all right, because this is me watching on TV, and I'm like, I'm like the guy. And the edit was bad. Okay.

Starting point is 03:48:33 The edit made it worse. Okay. Okay. Like in the edit, it just shows me and him in the moment, Dame. Right. Then it shows me kind of walking out, and you can see my hurt.

Starting point is 03:48:42 Right. In the reality, that ain't how it happened. Right. And the reality is me, him and Dame. And I told Ason, yo, let me and Dame just talk for a minute. Let me, let's go here. Because he had made the deal with Dame in the jail, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 03:49:02 Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry. That's a whole nother thing. Okay. He didn't make the deal with Dane. Oh, wow. He had someone have power over attorney while he was locked up, and they made the deal. But as they say, the game is to be sold, not told.

Starting point is 03:49:15 Okay. But, what Dane said to me, on the part they edited out, he said something to me that I couldn't deny, yo. He said, yo, Riz, your family came to me. Like, meaning Dirty's family? The family, yeah. Whoever was representing Dirty, his family, like, you saw that press,

Starting point is 03:49:44 everybody was there, you know, his mom was there, everybody was there. This is when he came home? He came home, yeah, I wasn't there. I had just talked to Dirty, I already had a deal for him. You know what I mean? I was like, yo, I had a deal and a plan. My deal was like, you come home, I built a gym for you, I got an apartment in Manhattan,

Starting point is 03:50:01 5,000 square feet studio already. Okay, I said, yo, you need a woman? I got girls, in Manhattan, 5,000 square feet studio already. Okay. I said, yo, you need a woman? I got girls, I can send you. I'm serious. I was like, yo, I got you, God. Just come home. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:50:16 My shit was maybe 9.50. I didn't have the M, but I had to pay a couple of people. You see what I mean? But I got you, I basically had the same M, in all reality, right? But I got you, I basically had the same M in reality, right? Right. And he's like, cool.

Starting point is 03:50:28 And then I flew to Europe for a couple of weeks, because I had some, you know, the wizard goes, he does, and then I found out from the press. Wow. And so, but so anyway, so it was sad for me. But when Dane said what's so real in a world of the reality of life, he said, yo, brits, they got nothing with it.

Starting point is 03:50:48 I love, no, I don't respect you, nothing to do with you. Their family came to me. Oh, and they would ask me, ask them what they want. They said a million dollars. I said, cool. So that difference made the difference. I was like, I'm gonna argue with that. I can't argue with that.

Starting point is 03:51:08 So then I just asked A-Son, is this what you want to do? He said, yo, God, yeah, let me do this. I was like, so you see me walking out with that soggy sad face? Because it wasn't about the money or nothing. I could have said, okay, how about two million? Right. Right. But I just felt like...

Starting point is 03:51:26 Right. I just felt like, like you said, it wasn't, he didn't belong there. You know what I mean? You don't wanna be a hater. Yeah, I wanna be like, I'm stopping progress. They kind of running the game. Right.

Starting point is 03:51:41 They shining bright. Who wouldn't wanna be shining a Rockefeller? Especially at that time. Even, yeah. G-Unit, niggas. Like, yo, that's it, you know what I mean? That's like, that's what it is. But I'm going to tell you, again,

Starting point is 03:51:55 and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't that when I seen it to you. It was, oh, you went the wrong, not the wrong people, meaning like the wrong people, but I know how to make you sound. I know, that's what I was taking. I was like, damn, I was like, I never, I wanna say disappointment, maybe is a word,

Starting point is 03:52:17 like that you was. I was super disappointed. Okay, all right. No, no, no, if you saw that, yo, they say a camera catch, right now, wherever the camera catch a nigga is real. They say the camera see through your bullshit. Right.

Starting point is 03:52:28 Because you had a vision for what he was going to do. Yeah. Right. My vision wasn't only for his music, it was for his life. Right, right. You had a vision. People don't realize this, and I always got to throw something on top of things, you know me, as you know me.

Starting point is 03:52:40 No problem. You know me, I'm doing all your whole show. Let's go. But yo, G, how far you become from yourself? So let's say a nigga's 200 pounds and now he's 400 pounds. How much other shit other than himself can he put on himself? That's what Alexa says, how did he do it?

Starting point is 03:52:57 Say, it made him other than himself. Once I can make you other than yourself, I can make you suck that crack pipe like a motherfucker. That's what they say pork is. Pork is anything that makes you other than yourself. Not just the actual meat pork. Exactly. Pork is anything.

Starting point is 03:53:14 Exactly. Swine is something that makes you other than yourself. Other than yourself, exactly. So you might not know you other than yourself. Right. You know what I mean? You sitting there, you don't even realize that, yo, G, you used to be the Mac Daddy Don

Starting point is 03:53:26 and you did all your shit and you done fucked around and Sanson done slept with Delilah for fucking eight months and now he's like dick draining, muscles ain't working and then the bitch cut his hair. You other than yourself. Then he had to go back and pray to Allah to get that strength back. But then he still got to do what? Die in his own iniquity. That's why the lesson says in Ezekiel chapter 3, it says, you can get a warning and you

Starting point is 03:53:54 can save, but you still have to die in your iniquity. So other than itself, when I saw Asan come out of the system, because ASON is, first of all, ASON was flying in most of the rule members at first. ASON almost brought Polo and Bali to Staten Island. This is talk about it for a quick moment. Okay. Okay, ASON is a nigga coming from Brooklyn, my cousin, coming in with Bama Lama, Polo all the way down, nigga.

Starting point is 03:54:26 And niggas are still Bill Blass. You remember Bill Blass? Anybody remember Bill Blass? I got somebody, okay, we gotta get away. So, Bill Blass. You know what I'm saying? A-San is that guy. He was A-San unique.

Starting point is 03:54:39 He was fly, yo. He wasn't old, dirty bastard. He became old. I gave him that name and it materialized. I gave him that name for a different reason. We'll talk about it another time. But I didn't expect it to overtake him. That's why I said the world is powerful.

Starting point is 03:54:54 But when he came out of the system, he wasn't neither. Right. We took my own- He came out of jail. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? He wasn't neither. Wasn't neither. None of those names.

Starting point is 03:55:05 No, he was something else. And then when they didn't nurture, they'd go back and find him. They didn't nurture. I think that's interesting what you said earlier. I think you said you had an apartment for him, but you said you had a gym for him. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 03:55:20 I knew that he needed that. Most people come home from jail. In shape. In shape, but the people that come home, that gain weight, are mainly depressed because jail food sucks, so that means they had to go to the commissary and eat all those dirty snacks.

Starting point is 03:55:40 I just had no idea. Yeah, like, you know them sugary snacks. Nah, you right about that. No, you right about that. No, you write about that. Because regular commissary, I mean, regular food sucks. Right, but it'll keep you in shape though, right? Yeah, but it'll keep you in shape, you know what I mean? Because it's processed carbs.

Starting point is 03:55:54 But if you go into the, you know, that's all... Commissary, is it junk food? Commissary is all junk food. That's what the hydrox are. That's what the Oreos are. that's what a Twinkies are, that's what all that is. But that's a sign of depression. Yeah, of course he's depressed. Sugar is a sign of depression. Listen, A-San Unique don't belong in a cage.

Starting point is 03:56:17 A-San Unique, for all our listeners out there, old dirty was freedom put into a body. Allah is merciful. He always sends something for us. If old dirty didn't exist, then the rest of the world don't understand what freedom means, freedom of expression. Old dirty was freedom itself. You know, if was, you know, if you've seen Old Dirty, right,

Starting point is 03:56:46 if Old Dirty was coming, if we was doing this interview right now, and Dirty walked in, whatever he wanted to do is what is gonna happen and we're gonna do. Cameras are nothing, none of that mean nothing. If he had to piss and he came in and pissed in this container right here,

Starting point is 03:57:05 he would have did it and left and it would have just been like. Foul. That's what, foul. But real. We would have been like, God damn. It would have been real. Yo, he- So the time he got in the Grammys-

Starting point is 03:57:16 Yo, yo, yo, he was driving on the Verrazano Bridge, turned this car sideways, block traffic, nigga. Mind you, he's driving with a 40. I'm might hit passenger seat. Hitting 90, it's a dangerous ride, bro. But now he pulls, stops the whole traffic like a cop. Get out and take some piss. Gets back in the car and drives. He a god.

Starting point is 03:57:45 So anyway, like I was saying, he was embodying a freedom. Now take a guy like that and put him in jail. All right, yeah. He couldn't take it. They said he tried to set himself on fire in jail. Oh shit. I saw the documentary,

Starting point is 03:58:01 it said, oh, he tried to set himself on fire in jail. He couldn't take that. This guy's free. So when he comes out, you're seeing a very suppressed energy. And then, like you said, the hydrox and the Oreos, all that is now growing around his spirit. It muted him.

Starting point is 03:58:20 Yeah, and now all this other shit, he's not the one man army he saw in no more. Right. So anyway. Yeah, this is crazy. The other day, I was having an argument, two people are arguing, and they were saying, what's alcohol? And it was like, man, sugar is 10 times worse than alcohol.

Starting point is 03:58:38 Because sugar sends you in a state of depression. Right. You know what I mean? If you're strong enough, you could just rub off alcohol. Alcohol turns into sugarless. I mean, yeah. But it's a different kind of spirit, like you do every day. You got to walk through multiple molecules.

Starting point is 03:58:53 Hey, back to the alcohol trend with sugar. He's drinking water now. He went to the bathroom twice. Me and Norrie has been here for four hours. No piss. Listen, guys. Four bottles. I'm questioning what the fuck is going on with you guys.

Starting point is 03:59:06 Skinny? Yeah. Let's drink to that. I'm drinking, I'm drinking. Let's do it. Yeah, you gotta drink to that. So let's talk about that. We can take a blood test to see who's the best.

Starting point is 03:59:15 That famous incident, that famous incident in the Grammys. Was it the Grammys where O.D. Walks on and he says, who takes for the children. Yeah. Like, what happened that time? Y'all didn't win an award? Yeah, I don't know the exact thing. I wasn't physically there.

Starting point is 03:59:33 But he said something that was actually profound. I mean, they gave the best hip hop album. Was it hip hop or rap? What's the category? Yeah, same shit. To them, it's the same shit. They gave it to, I think, P. Diddy at that time. Versus Wu-Tang.

Starting point is 03:59:50 It was like, that don't make sense, right? No disrespect to their creativity and what they gained and all their record sales. It's almost like, if I was to ask you guys right now, no disrespect to, he sold the most records out of all of us. If I told you who is a better rapper, Vanilla Ice or Nas, and somebody say Vanilla Ice, how you going to react? And I ain't saying P.D. isn't a Vanilla Ice, I'm just saying-

Starting point is 04:00:20 Right, right. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Vanilla Ice sold more records than Nas. Right, right. I get exactly what you're saying. Butilla Ice sold more records than Nas. Right, right. I get exactly what you're saying. But who has the better album? I mean... Hip-hop wise.

Starting point is 04:00:30 Yeah, I mean, who has the better hip-hop life? Who has the better hip-hop thing that I want to follow? It's Nas. Absolutely. Yeah, of course. If you're hip-hop. Exactly. And like... So that's what Dirty was saying. It's like, yo... You know...

Starting point is 04:00:42 Wu-Tang for the chip. Yeah, Puffy is good. He was speaking for hip-hop. Yeah, yeah, Puffy is good. Puffy's great. Puffy did what he did what? Wu-Tang for the children. Yeah, Puffy is good. He was speaking for hip hop. Yeah, yeah, Puffy is good. Puffy is great. Puffy did what he did. But Wu-Tang, you know what I'm saying? He said it's for the children, meaning he meant like, yo, it's better.

Starting point is 04:00:54 Right. It's better for you. Right. Wu-Tang is a better bet. Right. You know what I mean? And to do that shit, that's freedom. Think about this, I don't know,

Starting point is 04:01:07 because I wasn't there, but this is Imagine This Fuck. Guys, so here's a guy in the audience that's not giving no announcement tonight. He's not scheduled for no appearance on the stage. Co-ODB? Yeah. But he was dressed like it though, he was sharp. He's dressed sharp.

Starting point is 04:01:25 He said, I spent $3,000 on my suit. He said it on the mic. I remember that. But imagine, here's a guy that's not, you know, they got a list. He ain't scheduled on the list. How the fuck he get from his seat through the auditorium, through the security, to the mic. They say he walking Mariah Carey. I'm making this up.

Starting point is 04:01:51 Okay. Even if he did that. Okay. How? How? How he is up on the stage, where everybody's like, looking at their cue sheets. Looking at their cue sheets. Like, what the?

Starting point is 04:02:03 This is not in the show program. They respect it. Kanye West been his shit. Yeah, Kanye said it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Kanye said it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 04:02:11 Kanye did it this way, right? When Kanye did it. To tell us where. Yeah, he did it to tell us where. But he walked from his seat. He was right there in the front. Up the steps. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 04:02:19 Dirty had to do some shit like. Like, you hit him. But we didn't know that. He wasn't even close? No. He already had to do some shit like... He hit! But we didn't know that. He wasn't even close? No! We don't know where he came from, bro. He's not even on the other shots of the camera. Like, if you watch the whole episode of the show,

Starting point is 04:02:36 you don't even see the shot of him. He must have gone fast, too, to get there. Listen, he pulled some shit off that only a free man could pull off. He's like, fuck everything. Steve Rifkin said that he was at his house, him and his friar. Goddamn it. But anyway, because Steve lived on 50th Street around that time.

Starting point is 04:03:02 And he said he came to his crib before and after. So that's a whole nother story that we'll get from Steve one day. Steve don't drink, but he's gonna want to drink some. Anyway, the freedom of dirty was bottled up while he was in jail. And when he came out, he was not himself. And when he got to Rockefeller, he was not himself.

Starting point is 04:03:20 And we never got a chance to fill the full shedding of everything that was upon him to let the unique A-Song blossom again. But we've been blessed through the mercy of Allah that his son Wadi B goes on tour with the Wu-Tang. I like that. I like that so much. And he performs all his fatherless and that's another blessing for our family. I'm not going to lie to you. I forget because I went to the Paris show. I forget what other show, this wasn't on tour.

Starting point is 04:03:48 This was like just a random woo show. It was like two woo shows I went to. And I sent him on stage and I was like, yo, ODB still got it. And I was talking to myself like, what the fuck? I was like, yo, snap out of it. Like, cause you don't want me, you like, he has his brains up.

Starting point is 04:04:03 Like, like he has the essence. He has the energy, yeah. And I'm meaning, I know it's ODB's son, but he embraces the character so much that I don't call him ODB's son. I call him ODB, but me saying that, I'm like, oh, wait a minute. That's kind of like crazy. So let's take a shot for ODB.

Starting point is 04:04:23 A shot for ODB and YDB. Mm-hmm. Man, the spot's about to open. How much we got left? No, we're about to take a picture. I'm going to take a picture now, though. Okay, go first. I'm going after you. And I'm going after everybody, because I got to take a picture.

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Starting point is 04:08:55 First off, you have so many movies, so many things that you score, so many, but let's talk about this, you got a new movie, new project, new movie. Yes indeed, yes indeed. Let's take a shot for it first. Take a shot first., you got a new movie, new project, new movie. Yes indeed, yes indeed. Let's take a shot for it first. Take a shot first. We're taking a shot to my new film,

Starting point is 04:09:08 it's called One Spoon of Chocolate. One Spoon of Chocolate. And this is your film. My film, Bum Bum. Directed. Written, written, directed. Directed. By the RZA, produced by my wife.

Starting point is 04:09:23 Oh wow. You know what I mean? So double bumbum. Double bumbum. Double bumbum. I mean, you told me that your wife, she has two juice bars. Yeah, yeah. She's the wrong way.

Starting point is 04:09:35 She'll be here in a second. So I mean, let's talk about that for a quick second. We talked about the movie, but the beauty of the power of the wisdom or the woman. Right? A lot of dudes, especially in the generation before us, there were so many pimps, and that culture was the mindset of our people. We didn't recognize the value of the woman.

Starting point is 04:09:57 There's a sample on Cuban links, where the guy says, yeah man, I keep a bitch. When I got a bitch, I keep a bitch. Thank you He said I give her Money, that's how you I give her clothes jewelry, but no money Because I give a girl money She live with lose her mind Right. So the old-school mindset was that don't give your woman the money

Starting point is 04:10:24 You control the money and let her just have some clothing and jewelry. That's foolish. Because who take care of your house? Who take care of the home? The woman. Who's going to make sure the kids go to school and put the kids in their proper clothing and their proper adequate?

Starting point is 04:10:44 Yeah. How she she gonna do that? She gotta wait for you to write the check. All right, you gotta get back to that. So the jewel that people forgot is that kings don't build castles for kings. A king build a castle for the queen. Mr. Lee? That's right, you know what it is.

Starting point is 04:11:04 King builds castles for queens. Sorry, he Lee? That's right, you know what it is. King built the castle for queens. He definitely doesn't know what it is, sorry. He's sorry. He's sorry. He felt that. He's like, yo, we don't build, we didn't build it for ourselves. We go to war and do all the spoils of war

Starting point is 04:11:15 to bring back home to our wisdom. Right. Because knowledge and wisdom bonds what? Understanding. Understanding. That means you the knowledge, you're the foundation, but you got to put it through the wisdom. The wisdom is the woman symbolic to what?

Starting point is 04:11:28 The womb. If you put it through the womb, you'll get a life. You put it in your hand. A lot of these kids don't got girls. You put it in your hand and nothing's going to happen. You need that wisdom to carry that seed of life. But that seed of life is not just physical. Sometimes it's mental, spiritual, economical, social.

Starting point is 04:11:53 Metaphysical. Metaphysical, there we go. So I wanna just add that to the conversation because we- My wife's here too right there. She's with your wife over there. Bung Bung, there you go. So let's take a shot to the wiles. A shot to the wiles.

Starting point is 04:12:06 A shot to the wiles. To the wiles. Cheers. Me and Noy, we know already. You know? Yeah, yeah, no. Fuck I know. He's married too.

Starting point is 04:12:17 Yeah, I'm married. I'm saying, I'm asking you. Yeah, I'm married. You're laughing, shit. You're looking to the idea. It's like, when we ask you between these guys, you're like, well, what do you mean? Which way?

Starting point is 04:12:30 Yeah, no, I'm married. I'm married. But you agree with us? Absolutely. Yeah. You guys over here, Coke Brothers. No, they're not. They're not.

Starting point is 04:12:38 They're not married. One guy. Yo, that's the name of the section. The Coke Brothers. The Coke Brothers. The Coke Brothers. Yo, we still going to get your brothers in The Cone Brothers. The Cone Brothers. The Cone Brothers. Yo, we still, we gon' get your version though. We gon' get your version.

Starting point is 04:12:49 We gon' get your version. Nah, let's get domestic. All right, so Bonk Bonk, so now it's important though, yo, because our culture has been called misogynistic. Yeah. And then our women are now rapping harder than us. One girl, she's like, yeah, they rapping for the dick now. You know what I mean? So it's getting crazy,

Starting point is 04:13:12 but we need to know that there's a position. That's why it says the sun and the moon have an attracting power over our planet. When the lesson says that, they're saying that the planet is your life or your child's life. And the mother and the father both have attracting powers and influential powers over that planet. And if they grow that planet right, they grow healthy.

Starting point is 04:13:33 But if they don't grow it right, it's going to go through rain, hell, snow, and earthquakes. It's that they continue every day. The earth travels at the speed of 1,037, 1,3 miles per hour as it's moving around the sun, right? But yet, the idea is just drawn up into the earth's rotations, which is called gravitation. When you think about that though, the child ideas are just taken in by the mother. What happens when the father's not there? It ruins the gravitational pull. Yeah. Now she got to try to explain the mathematics of the sun. The moon is there as what?

Starting point is 04:14:12 To reflect the light of the sun. Right. Not to be the light of the sun. We grew up probably single parent where our mothers had to be the man and the woman. She had to be the knowledge and wisdom and she can't do that. Right, she did the best she can. And thanks to us, or thanks, I'll say thanks,

Starting point is 04:14:32 in my life we're gonna say thanks to the mathematics that the father, that's why we call it the father, the father. Because- You call it Clara Sacks? Yeah, he became a father to brothers who didn't have a father. Right. He gave them that knowledge because- Is that how it started going on in the father brothers who didn't have a father. Right. He gave him that knowledge because... Is that how they started calling him father?

Starting point is 04:14:47 I didn't know that. No, they called him father because he was the father of that idea. Okay. So the father of an idea, father means one who furthers or father. That's why I say he took you father. He took you father. And also in the first... What's the opening of the Quran?

Starting point is 04:15:06 What's the first chapter of the Quran, anybody? The Fataha, the Fah, the beginning. Oh, the Fataha. Yeah. So that's where you get this father from. But still, he furthered our education, so he became the father of us. But also even, that's a spiritual, but even a mental and a physical thing, he becomes your father because you don't got your father there and tell you the basic science that

Starting point is 04:15:30 knowledge means to know, to look, to listen, to observe, and to respect. Now you may know something, but you ain't listen. Listening is not observing. Observing and seeing is two different things. You can see it, but you didn't observe it. And you can do all those things and not respect it. And you're going to have a problem if you don't complete every action of knowledge. And then that leads to our wisdom. So these type of things, these type of things are important.

Starting point is 04:16:07 We're going back to our wives, they are the wisdom. So that knowledge goes through the wisdom. The wisdom is not just a wise dome, because you have to have a wise dome. Dome means what? Domain. You gotta have something wise in where you domain at. Your domain must have wise and wisdom in it,

Starting point is 04:16:29 or it ain't long. But if you have that knowledge and you get to that wisdom, wisdom, they say also the accumulation of experience, those experiences you put into your woman, even when a man makes love to his woman, he's putting his accumulated experience into it. That sperm cell that travels inside your woman before it makes your child, you got children?

Starting point is 04:16:51 Yeah, two. Children? Yeah. The sperm cell, the scientists have already looked at it. It has one molecule of air. It has one molecule of air. So this molecule of air, now what is this sun comprised of? Hydrogen and helium, right?

Starting point is 04:17:16 So you have a molecule of air that comprises all these gases of air. Now air, I said it in one of my lyrics, but I'll just give you some of them. Hydrogen, helium, xenon, freon, argon, you know what I mean? Carbon, you know what I mean? Oxygen, these are all, it's made mainly eight main gases. I put it in the lyrics so brothers could study that, but they don't listen to me, they won't hear my beats. But I put it in there so we can know that now this organic life is carrying a molecule

Starting point is 04:17:48 of that to a clot of blood that your woman has 30 days living her life, eating, smoking, drinking, or better not eating, smoking, whatever she's doing in her 30 days of her life, she's accumulated all that energy and it went down to this egg, waiting in the clod of blood. And then you, when you having sex with your woman, you take that sexual energy, all that air is coming in, where you feel it at first? That's what I'm not making this up. When you come, where you feel it at first?

Starting point is 04:18:20 Dephoria? You feel it here first, bro. When you come, can we agree? Man, when you have an orgasm, where you feel it here first, bro. When you come, can we agree? Man, when you have an orgasm, what do you feel all that first? Here before it goes here. It triggers in your mind first. It's like, oh! Bam!

Starting point is 04:18:37 Euphoria. OK, euphoria. OK, I respect that. I was going to say, so now I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I not like, where the nigga at going? He's headed to a direct destination. Upstream, like a Salman. Fighting. Fighting. What is it with the Steve Harvey?

Starting point is 04:19:14 He said, Salman. Sir, they say, Salman. Like a Salman. I said it right? Yeah. I did a Steve Harvey. What you think of Salman? I'm in God.

Starting point is 04:19:23 What you doing? Steve Harvey. I did a Salmon. I'm in God. What you doing? A Steve Harvey. I said I'm in God. Oh, shit. I was speaking to you. It travels upstream. No one wears going, bro, to reach the egg. And when it gets there, do you know this?

Starting point is 04:19:38 Not to get too deep on it, but you could cut it. Shit, now you want to cut it. No, you're not cutting anything. You know that, right? Bro, whatever you do, you do. Whatever you do, that's up to you. When it gets to the egg, right shit all you want to cut it. But when it gets there, bro, bro, whatever you do, you do. Whatever you do, that's up to you. When it gets to the egg, right, only, when it first get there, about nine sperm cells make it.

Starting point is 04:19:54 One guy's leading though, he's like, he, he, he, he. I can do it. He gets there, right? Hussain Bolt. Yeah, Hussain Bolt hit the bolt of lightning in there. When he goes in, what do the other eight sperm cells do? They give up?

Starting point is 04:20:07 Non-Cypher. No. They surround it and form a corona. They help him out. They form the eight points of the sun, brother. And they stop anything else from entering. He's in there, bro. He's in there.

Starting point is 04:20:18 He's like, yo. You're always in there getting busy, kid. You're like, you can do it. You can do it. You can do it. So check it out. So the sperm cell knows where to go, but even more deeper that we don't pay attention to, the egg cell knows where to wait. It's not like it's waiting over here, nigga.

Starting point is 04:20:37 It's like, I'm waiting for you right here. The strong motherfucker that could bring me those chromosomes, I'm waiting for it. Right behind your head right now, I see two X chromosomes. Look at that. It bring me those chromosomes. I'm waiting for it. Right behind your head right now, I see two X chromosomes. Look at that. It has two X. Ooh. Oh!

Starting point is 04:20:50 Come on. Noo is like, no. No, no, right behind you. Don't scream. Right behind you, Noo. Noo is like, pause. So, so, so, so in the body, or the female body, there's this two X chromosomes. I'm speaking in a major way, not going through all the different 23, but majorly it's two

Starting point is 04:21:09 X and it's, in a man though he has an X and a Y. The X in mathematics is the 24th letter and it's known, it's the symbol for what is unknown. This is why we have to use X as a multiplication. So when this sperm is going- As far as Muslims, they would say a Malcolm X is because he didn't know his last name, his last name was the slave man. Right.

Starting point is 04:21:30 Okay, get to you, I'm on point. Okay, so when you get that X though, it is also multiplication. So when that sperm hits that egg, it's gonna be a multiplication. The chances of it being a man is three to one. Because you have her have two X, Three to one, so that's why people are celebrating a man.

Starting point is 04:21:47 Yeah. Chances for a man is- Because it's not likely. No, it's not likely. It's three to one chance you're gonna get a man. Wow. I didn't know that. Three to one chance you're gonna get a woman?

Starting point is 04:21:55 No. No, it's likely to be a girl. It's three chances for a woman, one chance for a man. Wow. Which is natural because you need, in order for populations to multiply, you need women. If you get a guy, you get a bunch of guys, start playing basketball. But in a lot of people, like a lot of different cultures, they celebrate the man because obviously

Starting point is 04:22:22 that's not the norm. Right. Because the man is what we call the life giver. Right. But the woman is the life receiver. She receives that life. She receives all your bullshit, bro, good and bad. And she takes that to that sperm, and when that sperm cell hits that egg cell,

Starting point is 04:22:40 it delivers all your data and information of you. It also delivers what you were stinking. But within it, like I was trying to say, there's a molecule of air. And that's just one spark of energy. That spark of energy is gonna now cause everything because it's organic and inorganic is happening. And when it starts, it's like a bomb.

Starting point is 04:23:02 It's the Big Bang. Science is called the Big Bang. You know, Big Bang theory, but in this form. It's the Big Bang. Science is called the Big Bang. You know, the Big Bang theory, but in this form. It is the same. No, I believe it, yeah. The Big Bang theory happens there because once that sperm cell hits that egg and it starts multiplying,

Starting point is 04:23:16 how many cells does the human body start producing? Trillions. How many stars we have? Trillions. Exactly. So Allah is the greatest. Allah started with the thought of it, put that thought, that energy, and that organic atom and inorganic matter,

Starting point is 04:23:33 sent that through and bring forth this new life. Now, we started this by saying the woman and being the queen of why we build our castles. It's because, yo, G, that's why the brothers call it I started this by saying the woman and being the queen and why we build our castles. It's because, yo, G, that's why the brothers call it the earth, right? And the lessons say the planet earth is the home of Islam. Let's take that for a second, Noori.

Starting point is 04:24:00 You've read that lesson before, brother? Okay, so the planet earth is the home of Islam. Islam is the Arabic word that means what? Anybody, but the Islam, peace, exactly. It's, the Earth is the home of peace. Why are we not at peace on Earth? Because all the other planets are not the home of peace. The other planets, you gotta send a spaceship to Mars

Starting point is 04:24:23 to get a sample of dirt to hope you find an organic life. You might find a little molecule or some shit like bong bong. Here nigga, I could cough on a piece of bread, throw it in the closet, and a whole tree will grow out of it, nigga. This is the home of Islam, okay? I won't go too deep on that, but anyway,

Starting point is 04:24:46 but your woman is considered your oath, because through her, all possibilities are there. So we don't fight war or work every day or do everything for our own. We do it as a king to build a castle for our queen so we can give birth to a prince. I call all my sons and my nephews, my nephews over there right now listening.

Starting point is 04:25:13 If he answered the phone right now, Young Devon, you over there, can you hear me? Yes. If I call you on the phone, what do I say to you first? What do I call you? Prince. Peace, Prince. I want to know, he's a prince, yo.

Starting point is 04:25:30 His father's a king. But I'll do the same to my sons. And I'll do the same to your sons. Because this journey is only made of kings and queens. Took a shot to the kings and queens. To the kings and queens. Bom bom. To the kings. All right, talk kings and queens. So how it look? Bom bom. To the kings.

Starting point is 04:25:45 All right, talk about my movie. So, wait, wait. Loyalty or respect, and then we want to get into your movies and rap about it. Loyalty or respect, loyalty. Loyalty? No, sorry about that. We cut that, edit that, pour the liquor.

Starting point is 04:25:57 Yeah. Cut that, edit that, and keep it in. Loyalty or respect, both. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Starting point is 04:26:07 We're going back down a little bit. Then we're going to go down. Bro, this is a little down a little bit, right? This one is, uh, yeah. Yeah, we're going down. No, no, no. We need to go down. We're going to land.

Starting point is 04:26:21 We're going to land a little bit. That ceramic shit, yeah, I ain't say nothing. But that shit is mad strong. I feel like they gave you more than me, bro. It's through.' land a little bit. That ceramic shit, y'all ain't say nothing, but that shit is mad strong. I feel like they gave you more than me, bro. I feel a little envious, yeah. No, we went and bought some though, right? I feel like I only had three shots of it, I should've had six.

Starting point is 04:26:34 Yeah, yeah, no, we bought some. We bought some. You got more? No, I need some juice, huh? We going to the beach with that tomorrow. How you doing? They call me Noricha. Where y'all go?

Starting point is 04:26:43 In Japan, they call me Noricha. I like that. Noricha, Noricha. Why'd I pick loyalty and respect? Nah, nah, nah. Because, yo, first of all, if you got loyalty and no respect, where the fuck you at? You like, I'm down with you, son, but I don't like you.

Starting point is 04:27:01 I'm fucking with you, my nigga, but I can't wait to fucking step over you. Lower-G respect is a nigga that loyal to you, but can't wait to take your position. Lower-G and respect is he's loyal and he respect your position. Respect without lower-G, I respect you. I respect you, I respect you, I can't wait to, I let these niggas kill you. This is the best ass thing you've ever done. No, I'm just saying, let's be real though.

Starting point is 04:27:24 Let's be real. You need both of those. Yeah, we need both of those. So now let's talk about these movies. Hold up, I wanna get before the movies here. Yeah, because this we gonna rap. I know, I wanna rap. We gonna edit all this shit over here.

Starting point is 04:27:36 I can't hear with something, bro. Let me tell you something, bro. Listen to this. I know I already said, this is the first Wu-T Tang show in Miami. That's crazy That's the flyer. I got take a look at that. So yeah, that's like Twitter back there passes to me To me, personally, as a hip hop head, this is full circle for me.

Starting point is 04:28:09 Oh, it's a blessing. To be a fan. You were there? I was, absolutely. No, I'm asking. Yes, bro, I wouldn't have a fly if I wasn't there, bro. Look at the list. Okay, go ahead.

Starting point is 04:28:21 It's Wu-Tang Clan, right? Exclusive performance. It says Miami Hip Hop 94. Yep. Right? Mother Superior. Yep. I see that. I get the Mother Superior.

Starting point is 04:28:33 What's that? That's above or below? No, she's there somewhere, I think. I know Mother Superior very well. But anyway, it says, in association with, all right, it starts off with, I ain't gonna read the whole shit. Right.

Starting point is 04:28:42 But anyway, so, Miami Hip Hop 1994, part one, exclusive performance of Wu-Tang, exclusive performance of Wu-Tang Conan. Also performing live. Demi D, you know Demi D? He knows him. You don't know him though, kid. Funky Black Snow. Yep.

Starting point is 04:29:01 And the Nation of Hoods. Mm-hmm. That's dope. Mother Superior. Mother Superior. Mother Superior. XXXES weight. Wait, the first XSCO? No.

Starting point is 04:29:15 XXXES weight. Solid waist. Solid waist. That's Paul, right? Yeah. And more, remember. And read Paul, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And more, remember? And read the venue, the venue.

Starting point is 04:29:28 Yeah. Yeah. Fat Beast by DJ Chris. Shout out to that DJ classic now. Respect. Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at the Spacious Maha Temple. Mahi Temple. A Mahi Temple auditorium.

Starting point is 04:29:44 That's crazy. And also beautiful though, is that- Do you guys remember that at all? Do you remember that at all? I remember coming up, damn, I'm drinking. I hate when I started making that. That blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:29:58 Certain syllables just leave your mouth when you're drinking. The R and the W are very challenging. But I remember coming to Miami for this. Don't ruin my flyer, please. I'm sorry, guys. I thought this was a gift. No, no, no, not at all. No, no, no, not at all.

Starting point is 04:30:17 OK, this is my A. All right, what else you got? What else you got? I got a... Give me one more. One more. I bought this tape. That's the first Wu-Tang record I bought. And then my brother, Paul, Drink Champ Sports.

Starting point is 04:30:31 That's new. That's new, kid. No, it's new. He gave me this as a gift recently. Oh, man. Thank you, brother. And Grave, dude, I bought that myself as well. And this, this is the time that Old Dirty Bastard turned over...

Starting point is 04:30:43 You was there? Of course I was there. You know the story? I know the story. He turned the fucking speaker. They call me Arthur. Listen. Wait, what?

Starting point is 04:30:53 Look at this. OK. You want that story? Look at this. Effin, tell us a story. Well, how you gonna call me EFN the whole time, then Effin now? What the fuck?

Starting point is 04:31:02 Hold on. Hold on. Slow down. Black dudes always shorten anybody names. You know that once a black guy gets to know you he gonna shorten your shit. I gave you the short version

Starting point is 04:31:18 after four hours I'm like EFF it! EFF it! I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. Write that shit down, fam. Yo, we were talking. Tell us, I don't know what you're talking about. This was an incredible fucking shit.

Starting point is 04:31:31 So where was this at? Where was this at? I see DJ Khaled in there, you want to hear? Was this at... Is it on the fly? It's on the fly. No, no, no, no. It's not really.

Starting point is 04:31:40 It's actually not really on the fly. Yeah, Khaled was there. If I remember right, this is the one with Audrey Bastard. Turned the speakers in. The talk fly. Yeah, Khaled was there. If I remember right, this is the one with O.J. Bastard, turned the speakers in his... The charge table. Yeah, yeah, he threw them over. Yeah. OK.

Starting point is 04:31:52 OK. Dude, he hooked us up. Lovely. Look, look, even if it's not this story, I was there for that one as well. Yeah. Even if it's not this flyer. Here goes the story.

Starting point is 04:32:01 OK. EFN. You know what I mean? I went back. I re-expanded this shit. OK. EFN. All right. We expanded this shit. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I didn't F-ing because I was like, we was flowing. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the RZA set, I'm good. Now take a moment, bro. Yo, listen, I love watching you. Let me just give you some shine, because we've been giving the guards some shine.

Starting point is 04:32:28 Let's put the mic over, let's put the light on him. Okay? Put the whole symbol. I really appreciate you, yo. Your poise, your reaction, your knowledge, your experience with hip hop culture, and every guest that you make them feel. Like,, like, like, it's almost like your, your timing and your punch lines, whether it's editing or not.

Starting point is 04:32:50 No, we don't edit really a lot. No, no, no, it's good, bro. And I know you know. Thank you for, thank you for having me to hear your argument. Thank you. I had a look at my eyes. You see him until the end of your argument? I saw that.

Starting point is 04:33:02 But, but you know what? I loved it. We'll point that, we'll point that on the internet? I saw that. But you know what? I loved it. We'll point that. We'll point that. I want comment on that. I mean, listen, I'm right with that.

Starting point is 04:33:10 Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now.

Starting point is 04:33:18 Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. Let's talk about the movies now. I just want to say on the microphone so people will see me and my wife is like, nigga, flag. But I appreciate you, bro.

Starting point is 04:33:28 Thank you. And appreciate you supremely for what you started here, what you started in the culture. And Revolt TV don't exist no more without you. That's right. Well, us. That's what I hope. Yeah. Thank you.

Starting point is 04:33:40 Thank you. But your chamber adds a lot to this, bro. And they know that. Thank you. OK, and I might, five years from now, five years from now, I might fuck with you. No, no, no. Don't do that.

Starting point is 04:33:52 No, no, no. I got my own brand. It's called Fast Forward Time. You can fuck. He said rewind. He got Fast Forward. Listen, you ain't got to lie. All you got to do is kill him.

Starting point is 04:34:06 You don't have to do the fast forward. Little man. Hold on, bro. Who's this guy? Who's that? Who's that guy right there? I know that guy. That's my man right there. That's you I hit you? Yeah.

Starting point is 04:34:22 He's the white one. That's the rough guy. He's no, he's white washed. He's white washed. That's the rough draft. No, he's been white washed. He's white washed. We still leaving on it. We still leaving on it. Yeah. I like it.

Starting point is 04:34:31 Hey, yo. That's what I was bleaching. Hey, yo. Shit. I'm like, you jacked it in the. You know what, though? Why not bleach? Why y'all go?

Starting point is 04:34:39 Why y'all go? Let's take a shot with that. I want to ask a question. Why is it green and black like the monster? That's the real thing. This version is the rough draft. These are the real boxes. Right, cheers.

Starting point is 04:34:49 Wrong, wrong. Let's get one together, yeah. It has nothing to do with the Monster? Mm-mm. But everything has to do with the Monster. So why is it green and black, bro? Wait, what? Everything is green.

Starting point is 04:34:59 Listen, that nigga took the same shit from the kid, dog. Look at the kid. You don't know if monster is not monster. I know it's not. But my nigga, hold on, Noy. What's the, hold on. Which brand was first? Which one's first?

Starting point is 04:35:12 Who had the first promotion? Monster. Monster. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. The niggas found it. Yeah, y'all is all together.

Starting point is 04:35:20 But they was like, Noy, we got a great idea for you, brother. We got a great idea. What we're going to do is green and black. What? No, no, no, we got a great idea for you, brother. We got a great idea. What we're gonna do is green and black. What? No, no, no, hold up, bro. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No disrespect to my brother. Know who he gonna get mad at me,

Starting point is 04:35:35 and I gotta lift my weights and get my strength up. I've been drinking, so I'm gonna have to face this when I face it. I'm gonna say it, fuck it, I'm going, you ready? Yeah. I would love to see Ghostface on that box. Ghostface is real. Oh, hell yeah.

Starting point is 04:35:48 Ghostface is real if we want. Yo, let's get Ghostface on the box. Yo, Ghost, no disrespect. No big back Tony V. I still know my kung fu, so you know that. But I can see your face on the box if we want. It ain't going to lie. It's a great part of the guy.

Starting point is 04:36:04 I seen Ray Quon the other day. His shit was like, he had the S-curl in his bed. I'm gonna put your face on the box and rewind. It ain't gonna lie. It's a great product. It's a real great product. I seen Ray Kwon the other day. His shit was like, yeah, the S-curl is big. Did we rewind? The S-curl, no. What the fuck brand is that? Eee. What the fuck is that?

Starting point is 04:36:16 Soap. He has soap. You know that's my brother. I know, it's a problem. So you think Ray Kwon can give you his face for this? I think Ray. Where you going, Ghost or Ray? I'm putting you on the spot. Ghost or Ray for, you know that's my brother. I know, it's your brother. So you think Ray Kwan can give you his face for this? I think Ray Kwan. Where you going, Ghost or Ray? I'm putting you on the spot.

Starting point is 04:36:27 Ghost or Ray for we all. You can say both. Hold on. If you say both. I'm going to say both. You can say Ghost or Ray. You can say both for that thing. Ghost or Ray Kwan for the rewind box.

Starting point is 04:36:36 Both. Both. Oh. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

Starting point is 04:36:44 Hey. Hey. Mm. All right. Take a scoopy one more time, and that's it. Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay!

Starting point is 04:36:50 Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay!

Starting point is 04:36:57 Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay!

Starting point is 04:37:04 Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! I didn't say it, no, I didn't give a shit. You don't need it, you don't need it. You want it? We need it. Oh, the story, oh yeah, yeah, he didn't say the story. So we need that story, that story's amazing. All right, so anyway, so Method Man and Red Man's performing. This is in Miami. Yes. At Liv. So we in Miami.

Starting point is 04:37:13 No, not Liv, not Liv. That's Princess Club. You there, though? Yeah, absolutely, I was there. Now who's controlling the whole party that night? Well, I don't know. DJ. Def Jam is controlling the whole party.

Starting point is 04:37:24 Boy, is it this one? Is this? Yes, it's Def Jam. Look, turn around't know. DJ, Def Jam is controlling the whole party. Well, is it this one? Is this? I don't know if it's this one. Yes, it's Def Jam. Look, turn around, bro. You see that? It's Def Jam's party.

Starting point is 04:37:32 Okay, yeah. Okay, I see. All right? So, Method Man, Red Man, assigned to Def Jam. Cableton. I remember. I remember that. Like, it was fucking today, bro.

Starting point is 04:37:42 Assigned to Def Jam. I remember that Cableton came out. Hold on. Exactly. And Cableton felt disrespected., bro. It's signed to Def Jam. I remember that Capleton came out. Exactly. And Capleton felt disrespected. Rude boy Capleton. Yeah, Rude boy Capleton. OK.

Starting point is 04:37:50 But ODB is not signed to Def Jam. OK. OK. So now, because Meth won't. You're making all the sense right now. Meth was mad. Meth don't get mad a lot about what we do. But he was a little mad about this

Starting point is 04:38:06 because he really felt like it was a little bit, little bit beyond the boundaries. What was beyond the boundaries? Okay, if, listen, ODB is known for destroying your show. Right. If you talk to Questlove and them right now, they be like, oh yeah, remember that night ODB came? Yeah. He took over the show, oh yeah, remember that night ODB came? Yeah.

Starting point is 04:38:25 He took over the show, ended it, party was over. You go to Flavor Public and even anybody. ODB is known for coming to- For ending it, sure. He's no, yeah. He not part of the bill. He's destroying shows. He's just in the-

Starting point is 04:38:40 He's just destroying. One night he brought me to a show. And destroyed it. Yeah, he was like, yo, God, come meet me. I met him. He was like, yo, let's go fuck these niggas up. And I'm like, you know, I'm old with him. I'm with him.

Starting point is 04:38:54 I'm with him. We go up and we destroy the show. He's like, this shit, he said this shit ain't real enough. You know what I mean? Him and Akanele one night was fighting over the white. You remember that one? Yes, yes. That's crazy.

Starting point is 04:39:09 Honest to my niggas. He did it. ODB will come to your shit. And in Miami, he got jumped. Listen. You know that, right? Listen, hold on. After, if it ain't what he wants, he going to,

Starting point is 04:39:23 if he don't feel it, he gonna fuck it up. That night, Meth and Red was doing this shit. Kableton was next. I got OD story and I got Meth story. I'm right there, bro. Meth and, they did with, who won't deny Meth and Red, man. But ODB, I guess he wanted to be part of it that night. And it was Mef, so he can't be, he can't do it to the world. It's like, but he felt like, and I guess Mef, I don't know what Mef did to him. Mef was like, he tried to like tell the children,

Starting point is 04:39:53 ODB was kind of a little zoned out. You know what I mean? He was a little bit on E, a little bit past the level. But he wanted to get on, he was like, nah, don't let the guard on, the guard is not. And they didn't let him on. And they did their shit, whatever. They leave this fucking stage and they let O.D. be on.

Starting point is 04:40:16 O.D. be like, these niggas have let me on. And then Cableton is next. Man. I remember that day, bro. He's like, man, fuck that shit. All this shit is weak. And he went on. And he got to see, I mean, before their show ended,

Starting point is 04:40:32 though, he did this. Because they won't let him on, they said. Before their show ended, he went on stage, and he turned the turntables off, over. No, he brought the speakers down, bro. Listen, hold on. First, he started with the turntables. He turned the DJ set over, started pulling down speakers.

Starting point is 04:40:48 Yo, it was wild. Saying like, yo, fuck this show. Wu-Tang is the best. Yo, it was wild. It was wild. Yo, and Cableton is, everybody's like, look, he ain't even on the bill. Like, if you look at the bill, his name is not there.

Starting point is 04:41:07 He just happened to be in Miami, met the man's brother, just happened to be performing, and he's like, oh shit, I'm going to fuck up my brother, and I'm going to take over the show. He's also known for that. The ODB will come to your shit, which is in a good way. If I did a show, when ODB showed up, nigga, I could take a 30 minute break. Cause he going to do this shit and they going to love it. And I'll be like, boom, he finished. He finished it. I'm like, hey, I can come back out and do my shit. That night they didn't let him on. They was like, nah, I'm Cypher, God. And he was like, nah, I'm Cypher. Nah, cypher, God. And he was like, nah, cypher.

Starting point is 04:41:45 Nah, cypher. Boo! Yes! He threw speakers on the floor. It was wild. And we all witnessed it. So that's the ODB story. Anyway, shout out to ODB.

Starting point is 04:41:58 Hell yeah. ODB. Hell yeah. Rest in peace, ODB. All right, so let me get my best face on. We got to sell this movie. It's big business. It's big business now. OK.

Starting point is 04:42:09 We're going big business. You got a knock-in? Yeah. Have you been drinking? No, I'm not. You're doing good. You're doing good. And you directed?

Starting point is 04:42:16 Written and directed by the RZA. So I like the shows in the middle. You know what I mean? We didn't have all this shit in our system. OK. And we're going to get our tea up. Let me get back, because this is professional. This movie cost $10 million to make. Name of the movie? It's called One Spoon of Chocolate. So this movie started like this. I've been good in

Starting point is 04:42:42 life. Life is good. I leverage some assets. And me and my wife was looking for maybe another place, another real estate, we've been doing good in real estate. So we thought we'd buy another house. We saw a beautiful house. It was like, bamalama. It was like the waterfall was from the ceiling, then the pool.

Starting point is 04:43:00 I like it. Yeah, yeah, see, I like it. California too. Don't think about the fires. So we saw in the house was like bam-a-lam. I was like, yo, yeah, I could build a studio right there. No steps. No steps.

Starting point is 04:43:16 It's like more like, it's like a dormitory type of studio. Probably 9,000 square feet, very beautiful place. Thank you. Hey, bong-bong, I got a witness. I got a witness. Nah, very beautiful place. Thank you. Hey, bong bong, I got a witness. I got a witness. Nah, it was real. And I was like, wow, this is beautiful, baby. But let me ask you a question.

Starting point is 04:43:32 You wanna buy a new house or make a movie? And she looked at me, it's like, well, what do you wanna do? I was like, make a movie. She's like, okay, let's make a movie. So she killed her idea and rolled with my idea. And so, and this happened during the New York City Mind Tour.

Starting point is 04:43:54 All my ones are up. And on the back of the bus, I just kept writing. I started the script 13 years ago. After I made a movie called Man with the Iron Fist, I started writing this script. And even the executives at Universal, the executives at Universal, my man, Adam Fogerson was the chief executive.

Starting point is 04:44:15 And I was like, Adam, I got a couple of ideas for my next film. Because Man with the Iron Fist, it wasn't a smash, but it made its money back and everybody made a few million dollars. Mind you a few million dollars in the movie business is not good. It's cool. It's just like we didn't lose money, eh, pay the janitors.

Starting point is 04:44:33 You know what I mean? Because you need to make a hundred to make 200. But still, nobody lost money fucking with me. So you get another chance to dance. And so I told Adam, I was like, I got a couple of ideas. I started pitching these ideas. But the one that he said that sounded like it had market value was this one spoon of chocolate.

Starting point is 04:44:58 And so he said, he told me, you know, chase that one. I said, all right, cool. That's what he's telling you. He told me chase that one. Okay, one. I said, all right, cool. That's what he's telling you. He told me, chase that one. Okay, continue. So I leave, and I start chasing it, and I get stuck at page 40. That's that.

Starting point is 04:45:15 I've made two other movies, bro. I got stuck for 10 years at page 40. After two other movies, my brother Paul Hall, Paul Hall, you may know Paul Hall from, he did a lot of Tyler Perry, oh Paul Hall did a lot of John Singleton, Shaft, Higher Learning. So Paul's that producer that guided John Singleton through. And I met him because there was another movie, he was like, they let Lions get hired me to do a movie and Paul was producing and bonk, bonk and

Starting point is 04:45:46 me and Paul was there. Right? So anyway, now we get to a point, you know, 2015, I start writing again on this movie. I get 20 more pages and bam-a-lam-a, froze again. Nothing. It's like, I don't know how to do this movie. I don't know how to finish it. I don't know where they're going. I'm stuck. And then we just go. The through all my ideas, I got like 20 ideas, I got 20 pages, 10 pages, 80 pages, five pages.

Starting point is 04:46:27 In this one, I read to her, she said, I like where that's going. She didn't know where I was going to end, but I like where it's going. And I eventually, on a tour, on the back of that tour bus, my wife on one pillow, me on one pillow. I wrote the whole movie. By the end of the tour, I had it. We had the economics, we had some other financial partners that was down with me. And we went and made this movie. It's called One Spoon of Chocolate.

Starting point is 04:46:57 It's gonna premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival. New York City. New York City. Shout out to that. What is that? What is that? What is that? It's going to premiere June 8th at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City. One spoon of chocolate, June 8th, New York City, Tribeca Film Festival, world premiere.

Starting point is 04:47:18 Come fuck with us. Bonk bonk. Yo, drink the money, sugar. Oh, I like that. Yo, I ain't going to lie. I fly back on June 8th. Drink check. Oh, I like that. I ain't going to lie.

Starting point is 04:47:27 I fly back on June 8th. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production host and executive producers, NORE and DJEFN. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. It's at Drink Champs across all platforms,

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