Drink Champs - Episode 462 w/ Giggs

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, say hi to this your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What up, it's DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast in your number one source for drunk fashion. It's Drink Champs, motherfucking pop. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs.

Starting point is 00:00:41 Drink up, motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. What it good for you, hope you enjoyed this video. Time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good, B-Hop? It's your boy N-O-R-E. What up, it's DJ EFN. And it's Drink Champs, Yappie Yawa. Make some noise!

Starting point is 00:00:55 Woo! Woo! And man, when we talk about people that's been doing it, you know, Cross Seas International, over 20 years. Records with some of the biggest people in the world. When you talk about the Mandem, that's the Mandem and standing next to the Mandem. You understand?

Starting point is 00:01:16 Continue to do it, have respect. That's the biggest thing about it is, you know, sometimes you can have respect from the fans. You can have the respect from the executives, but when you have respect from the fans. You can have the respect from the executives. But when you have respect from the actual artists, the actual community, the actual people who put out these, who put out this culture, who stand behind them, I'm telling you, the people who we,

Starting point is 00:01:35 everybody most respect, respect that's man. So in case y'all don't know who we talking about, we talking about the man, them, the motherfucking one of the London's kings. And we gonna get into all of that right now today. My boy, Gage in the building. Yeah! Yeah!

Starting point is 00:01:52 Yeah! Yeah! Oh shit! So off top, I wanna ask you, are we okay with ice? Is an ice cold run up in here? Damn dog. Hey. Just throw a drink.

Starting point is 00:02:02 Just throw a drink. Just get a drink. Let's get a drink. Let's get a drink. I got two visas. Two visas. Get the drinks, Tyler. Just throw a drink. Just give me a drink. Let's get a drink. Let's get a drink. Nah, nah, I got two visas. Two visas. Yo, because Trump is wilding, right? He's taking even our London people, right? Cheers.

Starting point is 00:02:10 Cheers, cheers. Oh, nobody ain't gonna get the jokes or later, y'all. I know y'all slow. I know y'all slow. I know y'all slow. I know y'all slow. I'm gonna have to excuse us from right now with all the crazy accents that probably gonna come out.

Starting point is 00:02:18 Oh, yeah, I'm starting to get the accents. You're gonna have to start with your East London accent that you don't know. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the accents. I'm starting to get the slow. I'm going to have to excuse us from right now with all the crazy accents that probably won't come out. What? Oh, yeah, I'm starting to get active.

Starting point is 00:02:28 You're going to start with your East London accent that you don't have. No, but I, let me ask you, right? Oh, no, wait, wait. I've got two visas. Okay, two visas. Where's the camera at? I'm good. I'm good. I'm in hell back enough.

Starting point is 00:02:42 Because I heard that at one point you were banned in your own country, right? But what I'm getting hell back enough. Because I heard that at one point you were banned in your own country, right? But what I'm saying is, one time I got banned in London just for going through and not having a visa, right? Okay. So is it like that in the reverse? When you come to America, are the Americans just as strict to y'all as the UK people are strict to us?

Starting point is 00:03:03 I think more strict. You think Americans are more strict? Way more strict. We need to hear this. We don't know. We think it's y'all as the UK people are strict to us? I think more strict. You think Americans are more strict? Way more strict. We need to hear this. We don't know, like we think it's y'all. Right, right, right. Like, I got, like, even when I'm over here, I'm kind of like, doh-lo.

Starting point is 00:03:14 Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, cause none of my man-nims can come over here. Oh, they don't? You know what I mean? Like, none of them. So even the man-nim will be watching me over here, like, like, ah, like, ah.

Starting point is 00:03:24 Right, right. But they'll see me, like, around my family and all that, So even the man that will be watching me over here like... Like... But they'll see me like around my family and all that. And they'll be like, oh, like, you're family. But no one can get over here. I couldn't get here for 10 years. Wow. And was this the same 10 years that you was banned from doing shows? Yeah, all in the same time. I didn't even think about that, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:43 All in the same time, yeah. Holy shit. So... But yeah, but yeah. Wow! All in the same time, yeah. Holy shit! Yeah. So, so... But yeah, but it was kind of a misunderstanding, what? Okay. Because obviously I had convictions and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:53 And then I used to come over here, I used to like fill in the paperwork wrong. Right. I know it's... Right. Nah, but I did, I swear to God, like, I used to... Because it said, have you been convicted for more than five years for drugs? And I was thinking, oh, I went to jail for firearms. That ain't me.

Starting point is 00:04:10 So I just, yeah. No, that's what I thought. So I used to tick no. You're like, I redid my time. Yeah, yeah, I did, yeah. I redid the stage. None of this stuff applied to me. So you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:04:22 So then one day I was going to Atlanta, and then they just said, yeah, this way. Went in the room, then I was just in there for hours. And then they even, they said, yeah, have you been convicted? I said, yeah. And then they said, well, why did you lie here? And I was like, this don't apply to me. And then they was like, we're not going to argue, don't come back.

Starting point is 00:04:42 And then they sent me back the same day. Then after that, it was 10 gonna argue, don't come back. And then they sent me back, same day. Then after that, it was 10 years, I couldn't come back, fam. Yeah, bro. And now, in America, how long did it take for you to crossover from the UK market to America? Because like, predominantly, this is a new thing for us right like you know hip-hop has always just been us then it went to the West Coast and then when it goes across the pond we're like holy moly so how long did it take for you to

Starting point is 00:05:14 get the same respect that you had in the UK in America? You know I couldn't even tell you that. Right wow. Because like that's when I was banned. Okay. So like then like that kind of time in my career, what year was that? It was probably in between 2010 to like 2000. I think I came over in COVID. That's the first time I- Oh shit.

Starting point is 00:05:37 Yeah, like, so the irony is, I was at them times in COVID, they locked down the country and they said, no one from England is allowed to come to America in that time. Well, a lot of countries couldn't come. Right. Oh, okay, yeah, but that was one of the,

Starting point is 00:05:54 you know what I'm saying? So no one, even mad people coming through Mexico, like, you know what I'm saying, yeah? They were saying if you quarantine in Mexico for two weeks, then you can get to LA through Mexico Mexico but no one could get over here. And that's when I got my visa back and I got, what's the word? It's like a pardon kind of thing to be able to come in COVID. So the irony is then I was the only English person allowed before I used to watch everyone

Starting point is 00:06:21 else coming over and I wasn't allowed. You know what I mean? So that's how God works. That's crazy. During a restricted time you were able to come in. Yeah. So yeah, but anyway, what I was saying was, yeah, so in all that time, like mad things were popping off. I was doing mad, like featured, like big collaborations.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Like even that time was when me and Drake just done the two tracks of More Life, you know what I'm saying? That's Drake's album. Yeah, that's huge. Hold on, hold on, hold on, they go too fast. Hold on, we'll get to that, I got to have my notes. Yeah, but I'm saying, them times, I'm not allowed in America,

Starting point is 00:06:54 so I don't even know how these songs are popping off, what's popping off, if people know gigs. So by the time I've come back now, it's like, ah, legend, gigs, right? And I'm thinking, oh yeah? Oh yeah, no, love, love, Rizpen. Even once when I linked you back now, it's like, ah, legend, gigs, right? And I'm thinking, oh yeah, like, oh yeah, now love, love, respect. Even once when I linked you. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Remember that, you were saying, yeah, I saw you out there. And I was like, oh yeah, you watched my thing, like, you're on No Real, like, you know what I mean? Salute, salute, salute. So, well, I didn't realize this morning, because I'm speaking to Bleak. And I go, Bleak, I got gags.

Starting point is 00:07:29 He goes, ask that nigga. Is it a burden on that shout out? He said, it's a burden on my shout out. Everybody just thinks, like, I'm a, you know, his shout out is, and then your shout out is, how does your shout out go again? I see a lot of hoes. So he's like, man, that was too much pressure on me.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Bleak is saying that to me. And I didn't realize, holy shit, like getting a shout out is a beautiful thing in one thing. But then he says, he sees you in him. So Bleak is like, man, that's just gotta be a burden. That's just a burden on me. And I'm thinking like, man, that shit gotta be a burden. That shit's a burden on me. And I'm thinking like, I didn't even think like that. Like, I'm sure there's beautiful parts of that,

Starting point is 00:08:11 but now there's this man, them saying, you supposed to be the next hove. That's basically what he implied. Was that pressure on you at one point or? Well, not the next hove. I'm probably like, you remind me of myself. Yeah, well, you know how people twist those words and say, yo, he sees you in him.

Starting point is 00:08:30 Yeah. Like, whoa, have you ever had to prove that? No. There's a lot of pressure. Yes. Because, fam, you see me, I've grown up in dance or hip hop. All of that stuff, the shout outs. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:08:50 Like, yeah, me and Bigz, or Hittite, like, now it's, man's worked hard enough to get the shout out from, like, that's like, I don't know, 25 years ago, like, yeah, you know, in 25 years, my life is going to say, you remind me of it. You know what I mean? I'll be like, yeah, my guy, like, you know what I'm saying? So, nah, no pressure. I was more like, give me the power. This is what you work for. Yeah, bro.

Starting point is 00:09:20 Like, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, nah, never, man. And I heard you never really got the explanation, but he did say to you, how does it feel? Yeah, yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, nah, never, man. And I heard you never really got the explanation, but he did say to you, how does it feel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What that shit felt like, nigga. At the brunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:33 How does that feel like at the brunch? I'm asking you now, I'm asking the other opposite question. How did it feel like him, shying you out at the brunch? The whole thing's mad, bro. Right. It's crazy, like, because like I said, man, grew up in it. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:09:48 And then like, then there was a time when like, England and England, English rappers and Americans started connecting and then everyone's flying over. Like I saw like, Crept and Conan shooting with French and you know what I'm saying? I saw like Chipped with Chris Brown at like, and these times I'm just stuck in England and just watching the TV. You know what I'm saying? Like, so fast forward to now, it's just like, yeah man, it's like that time. A lot has changed. Yeah bro. Like I remember me first hearing artists from England, especially hip-hop artists from England.

Starting point is 00:10:29 People would always say, man, they sound funny, right? And now you get to hear a lot of English artists. And it's like, I'm going to ask you a question that Biggie said. Did you ever think that English hip-hop would make it this far? Yeah, I did, man. You did? Yeah, I did, man. You did? Yeah, yeah. Make a big clap.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I see you too. Yeah, it had to. It had to. It could only go that way, you know? But even from early, like, there was SAS as well. Right, right. That was my first. I was linking the man to them, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:59 That was up until from the UK. SAS, I'll tell you this. They're hella dope, too. Yeah, they were dope. They were dope lyrics and- They could rap, man. They could rap and they were using American slang mixed in with the slang, so I guess it was a little bit of both.

Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, but you know what it is? For me, yeah, people would say like S.A.S. rapped American, yeah, but they rapped full English to me, for me personally. Remember, I'm from Inc. So if someone's putting on a fake American accent, I'll be like, ah. I don't even want to listen to that, because it's not, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:33 But like them man were proper rapping English. But obviously they was living over here, innit? Right. So like even me, I'm like half over here, half UK. So I know like certain things, like you're just gonna pronounce different. We swap over slang. Like sometimes like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:11:50 I might be with like Maine or something. And he'll be like, yeah, yeah, pattern that, pattern that. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes I might be like, I don't know. Yeah, that's a dub. You know what I'm saying? So we'll both be swapping slang. And that's the only thing that was really happening at SAS,

Starting point is 00:12:06 they'll be saying one or two American words. Or they might be mentioning ends in America or something. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, they were cold, man. Yeah, they were cold. And they were hanging out. I used to roll to their thing, like when I, them times, man was in the trap heavy, like,

Starting point is 00:12:21 you know what I'm saying? I think they deserve way more credit. Yeah, no, they're cold. They were cold. It was just like, you know where it was with them I think they deserve way more credit. Yeah, they're cool, they're cool. It was just like, you know where it was with them? They might have been a little bit ahead of their time. They was ahead of their time, and no disrespect to them, but people didn't really know them like that,

Starting point is 00:12:38 in the streets, you know what I'm saying? Because remember, they've come to America, and grew up, they went to school there. Yeah, I didn't know that they were over here doing that. I watched their interviews, they said they went to college and school, so they're not going to really be in the streets them times gaining respect. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:12:56 So, man them from England are like, who are these youths? Maybe man from their ends might know them. Like, oh yeah, they grew up around here, but you know how it goes, the streets needs to know man's thingy. And when you say the ends, you mean a neighborhood? The ends means- A neighborhood. Yeah, neighborhood.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Okay, okay. Yeah, like if I'm in my hood, not your hood. Your hood, yeah. But you might, like even if I go back to London, I might say I'm back on the ends. Okay. Because if you came back to New York,

Starting point is 00:13:23 you might be like, yeah, I'm on the ends. You know what I mean? Okay, so first you say it, but I'll say it. But yeah, so I'll say I'm back on the ends. Because if you came back to New York, you might be like, yeah, I'm on the ends. You know what I mean? OK, so what did you say about that? So I was saying, yeah, the ends didn't really know them like that. So they couldn't really ride with them. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know when that's your guy?

Starting point is 00:13:36 Right. You've seen him grow up. You know he's certified in the streets. You're like, no, this is my guy. I've got the full resume. They didn't really have that. So it kind of. And then they were rappers.

Starting point is 00:13:48 They were rappers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with being a rapper. Yeah, yeah. But I wouldn't say they're like nerds or anything. Right, right, right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't really know them like that.

Starting point is 00:13:58 Right, right. You know what I mean? But yeah, they was good. Plus a different era of hip hop as well in terms of it wasn't as commercial even back then. So there's a different era of hip hop as well in terms of it wasn't as commercial even back then Right, so there's a there's a different era as well Yeah Right. I don't know. I don't know where hip hop was in America. Right?

Starting point is 00:14:15 I got to me them times you know a huge Like that's like, Dipset time. You know what I'm saying? That's Dipset, that's fucking G-U-A. But I even heard that a bit before that though. Yeah, see I heard them in jail. So I was in jail and I was listening to Westwood. When you heard them, they wasn't on Rockefeller? No, I heard them before that.

Starting point is 00:14:34 Get the fuck out of here, I actually knew a DJ. See, they was working them. Because I heard them, I was in jail and I heard Westwood. I remember this because I remember I was in jail and they was eating McDonald's on the radio and I was thinking, why the fuck you not eating McDonald's? Niggas are in jail hungry. Right.

Starting point is 00:14:48 I remember that, and I remember you were saying, yeah, congratulations, you did the rock deal. And I was like, oh, who are these guys? That's when I heard them. So that's when you heard them, because for me, when they made it to the Rockets, to me, I'm like, oh, they made it out of the underground now. Okay. To me, they were already bubbling kind of in the underground. And I'm saying this out of ignorance.

Starting point is 00:15:07 You had the white labels or something like that? Yeah. But anyway, to your point, them time, I think things were huge then. Yeah. For UK rap? No, for like American rap. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 00:15:17 That's like G unit, Dip Set. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right, that is what it starts. That's what it starts. And there was Dip Set. No, you're right. Not even that, they was rock. The Rockefeller, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:24 They rock. They're Rockefeller. And then Dip Set. And then time, Dip Set. No, you're right. Not even that. They was rock. They rock. They're rocker fella. And then Dip Set. And then time Dip Set were popping. That was like jail, right? At time Hell, they was on the Diplomat immunity too. No, they're out here. Especially for a UK artist at that time. For me, I was like, these man are gone.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Yeah. I see where you're coming from. You know what I mean? So do you feel like you was the, and I heard you get asked this question, I heard you humbly answer, but do you feel like you're the OG at that new generation of UK hip hop? Yeah, I'm definitely OG. I believe so. You got that.

Starting point is 00:15:58 I believe so too, god damn it. Because before me, they weren't really, like, hip-hop UK weren't really mainstream like that. Like, well, street gangster rap, like, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't, there was like, there was hip-hop, like, and there was the underground as well. So I came from obviously the underground UK rap with UK accents and street niggas and gang bangers. And you know what I'm saying? That was that era.

Starting point is 00:16:24 There was still hip hop before it. Like there might have been like Kalashnikov and even before that, like, I can't remember them. There's an artist named Kalashnikov? Yeah. Like AK-47? He was cold as hell.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Yeah, that's what it means. But there was like, oh God going to be upset now because this is Big Drink Chaps. But there was that man before that. You know what I'm saying? But it was like backpack kind of rap. You know what I'm saying? But Usman was the streets. And then obviously that man took it mainstream, like me. You know what I'm saying? So it kind of starts with man. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:08 Man means me. Yeah. Do you think Baby was one of your first mainstream records? Like that? Baby? Hell no. No? I was way, yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:18 I was way later. Talking the hardest. Okay, no talking. I got some of my notes too. All right, cool, cool. All right, cool. Talking the hardest. talking the hardest. Talking the hardest, let me tell you

Starting point is 00:17:26 what I noticed about that. You rhymed everything with Ori. I don't even think you left out was Nori. I was waiting for my shout out. It was like, yo, you got story. Everything is on. What song is that? What are you talking about?

Starting point is 00:17:39 No, I'm talking the hardest. Talking the hardest. You sure that's the rap, too? Yes, yes. What part is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, put it up, put it up. Oh? Yes. What part is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold it up, hold it up. Oh, they can tell you a story.

Starting point is 00:17:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll get bloody and they'll get gory. I was like, damn. Yo, what are you doing? Yo, I like that he raps everything to the T. I'm like, yo, my shit is coming soon. I'm gonna get a little shit. I'm fucking with you. You're writing the remix.

Starting point is 00:18:02 I ain't gonna lie. I thought about it. I was like, damn, yo, he rhymed everything. I'm like, I'm gonna take some of these lines. But let's talk Token the Hardest. You think that was your first? Yeah, that was the first, like. OK.

Starting point is 00:18:13 Because them times, before Token the Hardest, we didn't hear no, like, UK gangster rap in no parties. Wow. You know what I'm saying? You just hear, like, American. Even in the UK? In the UK, yeah. Wow. That's what I'm saying? You just hear like American. Even in the UK? In the UK, yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:18:27 That's what I meant, yeah, UK. Even when someone had told me they heard talking artists, I was like, yeah, all right. Right. I didn't even take it serious. Right, right. You know what I mean? Right.

Starting point is 00:18:36 So like, yeah, that like, so yeah, that was like, that's kind of why it's the national anthem. They call it the UK national anthem. Wow, wow. That was like, yeah. Wow, that's dope. Well, our show is about giving people flowers, where they can smell them,

Starting point is 00:18:50 they thoughts where they can tell them, they drinks where they can drink them, and they smokes while they're thinking, we need to give you your flowers. Face to face, I'm that man. Snoop said it's better than a Grammy because it come from your people, you know what I'm saying? God damn, so we wanted to give you your flowers god damn it look we got

Starting point is 00:19:06 silk coverings out take some longer to wrap it yo we showing off come on man we gotta take it out yo that's crazy hey might as well just give Drayne his birthday and he's from London as well.

Starting point is 00:19:25 That's right. Yeah, London. Give it out. It's Dre. Birthday flowers. He's from London. He's from London. Yeah, he's from London. My boy right here, he's from London originally.

Starting point is 00:19:33 He's from London. Yeah. And it's his birthday. I give it. Give it. Give it. Respect. Respect.

Starting point is 00:19:41 Ask him where he's from in London. We need to really know. Yeah, where you from? East. Where? Laten.. Where, where? Leighton. Oh, you're Leighton, yeah. That's the end. OK, OK, that's the end. Yeah, Peckham, yeah. OK, I thought it was Freckle.

Starting point is 00:19:51 So how long you been at Keel? No, he's been to high school with me, so he's been here. OK, OK. Yeah, but I can still hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:00 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah. Yeah. But so you grew up in Miami? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you grew up in Miami? I moved out here, I was like 91 and then I moved out here in school and I met my crew. Okay, okay. But you're from Miami, innit? Yeah. Originally L.A. but brazen Miami, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:20 Miami's like... Miami's like London. Miami's like the... It's like London. Well, London. It's like London. Well, New York's proper like London. But still, sometimes I still gotta like dumb it down when I talk. But here in Miami,

Starting point is 00:20:34 cause it's like more Caribbean, I just talk normal here. Kind of thing. I don't have to like... Yeah, we have every accent out here. You can come to Queens too, it's like that. We got every accent in Queens. Yeah. Yeah, Queen, that's a little guy in the east. Yeah, that's a lot.

Starting point is 00:20:48 Yep, yep, yep. So, is it shout o'clock or yet? Not yet. Let's go, man. Let's go, okay. Okay, all right, cool. We go to the lighter. Okay, the lighter?

Starting point is 00:20:57 Okay. And you wrote a real split. That's a real Batman split. Yeah, that's a real Batman split. Yes. But you're originally from Africa, though, right? No, no. I'm half Jamaican, quarter Guyanese, and quarter Grenadian.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Oh, okay. Okay, you're West Indian. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, when everyone came over the boat, there was no condoms, and it was just lit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause everyone my kind of age has got like 15 brothers

Starting point is 00:21:29 and you know what I'm saying? They can tell that's when everyone's just running around, what we're in London? You know what I mean? It's lit. Okay, so let me ask you a question that's very conscious but it's you on Drink Champs. Do you eat doubles?

Starting point is 00:21:41 Oh, like from Trinidad? Yeah. Do you know what? I actually haven't tasted doubles before. Oh, OK. OK. That's the baddest thing. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:48 Are you Trinidadian? No. That's it. Oh, shit. No. No. Yeah, I actually haven't had a double before. Yeah. OK.

Starting point is 00:21:56 Yeah. I actually get a lot of education about the Caribbean when I come here. OK. OK. Like, even like Dominicans and that. Right. Because you're Dominican, isn't it? No, I'm Puerto Rican. Oh, you're Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican, yeah. We like the ones a I come here. Okay, okay. Like even like Dominicans and that. Right. Because you're Dominican, isn't it? No, I'm Puerto Rican.

Starting point is 00:22:06 Oh, you're Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican, yeah. We like the ones a little bit better. Yeah, so... I'm just kidding. Alright, alright. I'm just kidding. Alright, alright.

Starting point is 00:22:14 We have American money. We have American. That's all. That's all. He just flashed his citizenship? No, no, no. Because I want to go back to the Dominican Republic. So, no, no, no. The only difference is we got American money? That's not that. He just flashed his citizenship? No, no, no, no, no. Because I want to go back to the Dominican Republic. So, no, no, no, no. The only difference is you got American money.

Starting point is 00:22:27 That's it. And my girl is Dominican, so she'll be like, what? Yeah, yeah. We're taking that part out. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But even, so even before, because we don't really, in London, we don't really have like Puerto Ricans and Dominicans.

Starting point is 00:22:41 Right. You got Cubans? Yeah, but not a lot. Yeah, it's more like Spain. You know what I'm saying? So even like- Those are the racist Latinos, just so you know. Throwing it out there.

Starting point is 00:22:52 Yeah. When I come here- These ain't better than every other Latino. Sorry, my bad. Who? Spain, the Spanish people. OK. I'm sorry, Spain people.

Starting point is 00:23:00 I'm sorry. I ain't say that, Argentinians. Go ahead. So even, I remember I used to watch that Paid in Four, yeah? And I saw you in Paid in Four, yeah? And then there was that part when they said, yeah, they, no, when they said, yeah, the Spanish kid said it.

Starting point is 00:23:15 So I used to rewind that part a hundred times, like, where's the Spanish guy? Right, right, right. Yeah, cause that's, everybody just generalized. Everybody's Spanish. If it's Spanish, I'm just thinking white person. But I'm not, so I'm rewinding it, and I'm saying Sony Nori. So I'm rewinding it and I'm saying it's only Nori here. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:23:29 You get me? No, no. Nori, still Nori. You get me? Where the Spanish going? You know what I'm saying? So I even used to rewind it back to before with the jail. Yeah, I was describing the jail.

Starting point is 00:23:43 So I'm rewinding it, I'm thinking I missed something, like, you know what I mean? Right. So then when I come here, that's when I started seeing, like, Dominicans, and I'm seeing raw, like, this is just the Caribbean, why don't you speak Spanish? Right. You know, so it's actually, Dominicans and, like, Puerto Ricans are like... Puerto Ricans up there. Hey, hey, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:24:03 We even now, we even now. Now, I'm saying you lot, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Starting point is 00:24:12 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, But because everyone speaks Spanish, we forget you're Caribbean. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Wow, that's real. That's real. You get me? So even I got bridge-ins from Honduras and that. I ain't seen dark-skinned Spanish people before.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Wow. That's mad. I'm like, raw, man. You speak Spanish and you're dark-skinned. Right. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. Oh, you had a barber there?

Starting point is 00:24:44 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so. Oh yeah, the barber is here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's been a big education coming here as well. You know what I'm saying? It's in a different cultures and that, you get me? Hell yeah. So, we ready for quick time, or something? Let's go. Okay.

Starting point is 00:24:57 Explain the rules. We're gonna give you two choices. If you pick one, we don't drink. But if you say both or neither, then we drinking. You've seen this. You've seen this. Yeah, I've seen this. Cool.

Starting point is 00:25:10 I'm not really like, you not go hard on me. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. You go light shots. We go light shots. Yeah, yeah, small shots. Yeah. All right, I want to do the first one, but it's not going to be this first one.

Starting point is 00:25:20 Go ahead. I'll do the first two, but it's not going to be. I'll do the first two, but it's not going to be. So what we doing shots of the Ross Club? Whatever you want to drink. What's this called again? The Mama Juana? Yeah. This is the Mantic. Yeah, it's the Dominican joint right there.

Starting point is 00:25:38 I like this too. Okay. Nando's? Carbone's? Nah, nah, I say Carbone. Carbone, okay, cool. Thank you. Whoo! Yeah, yeah. Hunter, that's two different things, though.

Starting point is 00:25:55 Yeah, everybody's wanting to see where your head was at. That's like you saying, like... That's like you saying Carbone or Chick-fil-A. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, two different, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, thanks, man. All right, two pocket DMX. Okay.

Starting point is 00:26:15 Rest in peace to both. God save Pat. That's two different, that's two different, I feel like generations kind of thing. Yeah, it's whatever for you. Yeah, like, it's whatever criteria you pick. It's no, let me get that lighter.

Starting point is 00:26:28 I wouldn't compare. Damn, even UK niggas still light as two. So, both maybe? Dang. This shit is universal. Let me get my lighter, man. Come on. It's still the lightest universe.

Starting point is 00:26:38 I thought it was just American. Jesus. All right. Wait, you picked Pac then? Yeah, he picked Pac. It has to be Pac. OK. That's OG, like, in that situation.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Right. You said Pac or Flippin, I don't know, like Snoop or something or fuckin', you know what I mean? But I can't fucking DMX. Even though DMX is the legend, OG as well. 100%. But that's Pac, like, you know what I mean? You can take the next one too.

Starting point is 00:27:04 Slick Rick or Biggie? These questions don't make sense. These guys came up with it over there. The Dominican and the Colombian. I was about to say, I need UK. Oh, that's for real. Andy, you're on the album, man. We got to talk about that. You know Slick Rick moved the album?

Starting point is 00:27:23 Yeah. Well, really, I didn't know that. Slick Wick just sent me a custom Wallabies. That's a good album. Yeah, yeah, that's dope. West Side Gun or Conway? West Side Gun, that's my brother in law. Conway is too cold though, man.

Starting point is 00:27:41 Okay. I said Conway, that. All right, this one right here, very controversial. I do not, I do not know who you're going with this. And by the way, we don't write these questions. It's a Dominican and a Colombian over there. They sniff cocaine and write these questions. It's just the way it happens.

Starting point is 00:28:00 Drake or Kendrick Lamar? I gotta say Drizzy. Okay. That was the safe answer, yes. No. And the right answer. No, not even that. Like, I'll roll to Drizzy more. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:28:16 You know, Kendrick's got bangers. But like, if I'm jumping in the whip, couple gallery in the car, I might slap on, you know what I'm saying? The Drizzy. You get me? That's the vibes. Right. You see how Kendrick Lamar was caught at a,

Starting point is 00:28:33 I mean, LeBron James was caught at a Kendrick Lamar and Drake took a certain thing. Would you think that you could go to a Kendrick Lamar and you'd still be cool? Kendrick Lamar concert, check it out. Yeah that you could go to a Kendrick Lamar and you'd still be cool? Kendrick Lamar, come on, check it out. Yeah, I could go there. I'm not going to jump on stage today, like us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm going to go. I'm my own man. I'll do my own thing.

Starting point is 00:28:57 You're going to jump on stage and be the hype man. Nah, I'm not going to do it. I'm a fan of Kendrick. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to say nah. If man said, yeah, call me real Kendrick, I'm not gonna say nah. You know what I mean? I think our culture needs to stop that. Because I feel like if I like pistachio ice cream and just one day I want chocolate, why I can't like both? Why does our culture make us, why do they make us choose between Nas and Jay?

Starting point is 00:29:22 I like them both. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? I like Doucet and Jay? Like, like I like them both. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? Like I like, I like Doucet and I like Asia Spade. I'm like, like why wouldn't I be able to, you know what I'm saying? There's too much music for that, all that.

Starting point is 00:29:36 What, to pick one or to not like enough? Just think about hip hop. Right. You know what I'm saying? There's so much music, like so much events, so much things has happened. You know what I'm saying? There's so much music, so much events, so much things has happened. You know what I'm saying? I can't just like, yeah, I'm just fucking with that. You know what I'm saying? You get me? Yeah, hell no. Hell no.

Starting point is 00:29:58 NWA or Wu Tang? NWA. Wu Tang is the GOATS, but that's the man that started the bad man thing. Yes. You know what I'm saying? That's real. Buju or Beanie? That's two different. Like, Buju is the GOAT.

Starting point is 00:30:16 So Buju? That's 100%. But Beanie, that's my guy. But Buju is the, that's the original. I like you being honest with Serious. Central Seer Scepter. That's Scepter, of course, yeah. That's OG, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:30:35 Mobb Deep or MOP? Yeah, Mobb Deep. Yeah, Mobb Deep. Yeah, Mobb Deep. So, yeah, I feel like they done more, innit? Mobb Deep, like, you know what I mean? MLP's cold, though. Yep. Yeah. Top boy or Supercell?

Starting point is 00:30:59 Yeah, that's a mad one, still. I mean, you can say both. And we just drink. Yeah, we can. I'll drink. All right, you could say both. And we just drink. I'll drink. All right, let's go. Let's go. But, but, Top Boy, I would have to say Top Boy,

Starting point is 00:31:13 cause that's the original. You would be niggas. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'll say both because Top Boy, that's the original, like that's what even, that's what's got even America knowing about London as well. But Supercell, like me, I'm a nerd. I love superheroes, X-Men, Avengers, that's my thing.

Starting point is 00:31:35 So you got the streets, the London streets as well. And it was raw slang with superpowers. That's the maddest thing. I should go drink. But I'll just drink. All right, cool, yeah. Cause Top Boy was like, wait a minute, we looked at that shit and was like, wait a minute, they going crazy out there.

Starting point is 00:31:51 It was like the British wire. Yeah, we thought you just had nunchucks. That's what it was meant to be originally. Yeah, I'll say all that. Yeah, we thought you just had nunchucks. That's why it always goes wrong when American artists come to London. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:32:04 Because they think it's knives. They think it's knives, yeah, knives. And that's like the knives, that's like the kids. always goes wrong when American artists come to London. Right. Right. Yeah. They think it's Knives. They think it's Knives. Yeah. And that's like the Knives, that's like the kids. Right. You know what I mean? But obviously, and now it's social media.

Starting point is 00:32:14 So they just make it bigger than it is. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. But now it's the goddamn same. It's been the same. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:22 Oh, yeah. It's social media. We can see the same. Yeah. Yes. OK. Vibes,, oh yeah, it's the same. It's social media, we can see the same. Yes, okay. Vibes, Kortel or Movado? Yeah, nah, Kortel, that's my guy. Kortel's the greatest, so.

Starting point is 00:32:33 Yeah, he's rolling. Yeah, like, I think Kortel's the best, like, any genre, like hip-hop forever. Damn. Let's make some noise for Kortel. What's up? What's up? Wait, so you said that, but you think I'm crazy, innit? No, no, no, I don't think crazy. I just not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 00:32:45 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 00:32:53 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 00:33:01 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't think no one could chat to him. The only person who could probably go head to head is probably like Eminem or something. Wow. Imagine that track. Yeah. I've seen Cartel smoke rappers, dancehall, artists. No, yeah, he could. Like, he smokes anything, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:33:19 Yeah, he's versatile. Like, he could go- Versatile, like any style, flow. Yeah. It's versatile. He could go... Versatile, like any style, flow. Yeah. He's the coldest one. Yeah. Alright. Peckham or Brixton? Nah, I'm from Peckham.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Okay. Yeah, yeah. But Brixton's certified though. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's... Brixton's like the Bronx.

Starting point is 00:33:39 Yeah. And Peckham's like Brooklyn. Okay. It's that kind of, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. And then East London. Where's my man from East? East is like... And Peckham's like Brooklyn. OK, is that that kind of yummy. Right. And then East London, where's my from? East is like reminds me of Harlem.

Starting point is 00:33:54 And then West kind of no, East reminds me of Queens. OK, East reminds me of Queens. Because I and then West reminds me of Harlem. OK, OK. Shaba or Supercat? That's a tough one. Those are two legends, man. Shaba and Supercat. We need both of them on Drink Change.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Yeah, I'll drink. Yeah, let's drink. Shaba and Supercat. Yeah. Supercat used to live in left-rack. Did he? Yeah, he worked up. I might say Shaba though.

Starting point is 00:34:24 Oh, shit. We'll be taking another shot for that. I might say. Wouldn't Shaba be the OG in that situation? No, really, not really. He's not a little bit. It's like the same kind of time. Shaba and Sufiqa, ain't it? Same kind of time.

Starting point is 00:34:36 I feel like Shaba would be at least a few years before. Didn't they even clash? Did Shaba and Sufiqa? No, I think, no, no. Did Shaba, I think they did. They did, didn't they? I never heard of a clash that they did. They did one?

Starting point is 00:34:48 Yeah, I think, I'll say Shaba because Shaba lived longer. They're like, he was still making bangers. Right, right, right. You know, there was even like, Tingle, like, not, when he, when did he come back? Oh, big guy, big guy.

Starting point is 00:35:03 He came back later, later. Yeah, he got creepy joints. You know what I'm saying? So I'll say Shabba still. Super Cat's the goat though. Yeah, and a bad man. Stormzy, is it Kano? Yeah, no.

Starting point is 00:35:21 Oh, Stormzy, yeah, Kano for sure. Kano's a goat, you know, I mean storms is colder So he can stand up with the goats. So yeah, I can he can go toe-to-toe with the goats. You know, I mean BoB or a boogie. Mm-hmm a boogie. Yeah Estelle or Adele Mm-hmm Estelle or Adele? Estelle is the family, but Adele is Adele, isn't it? But that's two different, that's hip-hop and... Totally two different, for sure.

Starting point is 00:35:54 These guys just wanted to throw two British people in there. Yeah, British, yeah. They might throw in the Beatles' legs, I don't know. Yeah, no, Adele's a goat. She's a goat. By two different things, I wouldn't, you know what I mean? Right. So wait, so what's the answer?

Starting point is 00:36:13 Yeah, Adele. OK. DJ Premier or Pete Rock? It's gotta be Premier, like. Gotta be, like. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane? Oh, I say Big Daddy Kane, like. That's the hoes OGs. True.

Starting point is 00:36:36 You know what I'm saying, like. You know what I mean? Okay. Jadakiss or Nas? Yeah, Nas Kiss all day, like. Now we have to change this game where if you answer, you drinking. Okay, Jada kiss or Nas? And I kiss all day like now we have to change this game where if you answered you drinking Obviously a lot of guests that you have up here they've got relationship I don't know gonna want to say I'm clear on on the history

Starting point is 00:37:04 Yeah, I kiss is still going. The M-A-E and that, I just heard the M-A-E thing. That's a mad thing, bro. How many years are we talking about now? It's ridiculous, guys. Yeah, 96. That's mad, bro. Rock-o-fella or Rough Riders?

Starting point is 00:37:25 Nah, it's not a shot. Do you know why? I, you know why, yeah? All right, let me tell you, this is what it is, yeah? This is what it is. This is what it is. Huh? It's a big, it's no longer what it is.

Starting point is 00:37:36 No, no, it's not even that. No, no, this is what it is. This is what it is. Even, I don't, like, even, yeah, I'm just going to be like, even, even Kissy wouldn't be happy. You might, I don't like even, yeah, I just gonna be like, even Kissy wouldn't be happy. I don't know. Like this is, so that time, yeah. So like my brethren, they was all from like Warthrode. That's in South London.

Starting point is 00:37:55 We're from Peckham, Warthropeckham. But all the Warthrobe man them, they used to be Rockefeller. Yeah. And all the Peckham man, we was like Rough Riders, like, you know what I'm saying? Like DMX, the Locks and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:09 Cool, cool, cool. So then, yeah, yeah, those was Pitbulls. Yeah. So like, we was, so then the war started, the clash with the rock and rough riders and that, yeah? So then obviously like, I think the first song was like, it was like the kissin' and fat Joe. It was like the kissin' fat Joe or somethin'.

Starting point is 00:38:36 Nah, nah, I'm sayin' like, it was kinda like a subliminal in, well, man was sayin' that anyway, I don't know if that was true. And then obviously there was the kiss and put your hands up. Then Seagull came with the mad ting. Like that was what Seagull came with, bro. That was mad, fam.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Even that was so mad. I didn't even want to see no one from War of Throne until I heard Kiss answer. I wasn't, that's how, like me, I'm amused, you know what I'm saying? So I don't want to see none of these men for them to talk about the Seagull thing. Because I know Seagull smoked that, like talking about kicking the bull out of the park and you know what I mean? Then after, so I'm waiting for Kiss, then Kiss came back on the disco beat thing, yeah?

Starting point is 00:39:21 And that was cool and that, about after, you know what I'm saying? After that Seagull, that was, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm like, it's all right, kids are going to bring another one. Then Seagull came straight back again, straight after with the fucking, on the special delivery freestyle. When they went on radio and that. Remember, Fuck the Speculation? No, no, they weren't that one. Remember the special delivery freestyle? Yeah, yeah, of course.

Starting point is 00:39:46 And he was just smoking them kiss dye on the holiday. Remember that one? That was going at it. That was this guy, man. So this is two now. I'm like, fucking shit. So that Seagull kind of won that. Like, what would you say that Kiss and Seagull thing?

Starting point is 00:40:06 I don't know. I'm gonna take a shot. I mean, it became more than that. It was state prop against, you know, the locks. No, no, but I'm talking Kiss and Beanie Seagull, bro. Cause that was where the head honchos. Obviously, when stars come in, stars went kind of mad. Remember stars started kicking fucking doors off.

Starting point is 00:40:28 You know what it was? It was a different bat. But Kiss and, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so yeah, it was more than that. But them times, I couldn't admit, like, Kiss, I mean, like, Seagull took, you get me? Like, so I was like... Because your side was rough, right? Yeah, I was rough, right? But like, I don't know, like maybe 20 years later,

Starting point is 00:40:46 I said, Seagull kind of took that. I told the man them like one, you get me? So I just want to show the homage for like the rock and that but man's rough riders, like, you know. Did you hear, I don't know if this is true, Beanie Seagull new shit with AI? No, oh, with the voice, with the voice. I heard that.

Starting point is 00:41:04 That shit actually sounds great. Yeah, yeah, is it? In that case, AI is fucking dope. Yeah, I actually like some of it with the new voice as well. Right, right. It still sounds cold, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:41:18 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I thought that was cold, but yeah, bottom line, yeah, Ruff Riders, like. Okay. Damien Marley or Sean Paul? Give me the light. No. You kind of going with that.

Starting point is 00:41:30 I don't know, I felt like saying that. Do you know what? Two different things, but I'll say Sean Paul though. Cause Sean Paul's like. Really? Do you know why I say Sean Paul, yeah? Cause like Sean Paul has grinded, like, I remember when he used to be like Dottie Cop. Do you remember Dottie Cop? Yeah, yeah, no, Sean Paul, yeah, because Sean Paul has grinded. I remember when he used to be like Dottie Cop.

Starting point is 00:41:46 Do you remember Dottie Cop? Yeah, yeah. No, Sean Paul was... Yeah, it was like Luger, man. And Sean Paul could always proper spit. You know what I'm saying? He was dance all the way, but he could spit, spit. You know what I'm saying? And then obviously he's probably took it the most serious

Starting point is 00:42:03 and then he's taken it to the crazy levels. You know what I'm saying? So man's got a lot of respect for Sean Paul. You get me? But obviously, Damien Marley is- Junior Gang. That's the, you know what I'm saying? But I'll say for how hard Sean Paul's work

Starting point is 00:42:19 and he's good spirit, I'll say Sean Paul. He's got a crazy catalog. Yeah, he's got a catalog, bro. Yeah. So you said Sean Paul. Yeah, I'll say Sean Paul. He's got a crazy catalog. Yeah, he's got a catalog, bro. Yeah. So you said Sean Paul. Yeah, I'll say Sean Paul. Boys in the hood?

Starting point is 00:42:31 Yeah, Rafferty. Boys in the hood or menace to society? I'll take a shot. OK. I'm in. Cheers. I'll take a shot. Okay. I'm in.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Cheers. LA or Miami? I like Miami, you know. Pharrell or Kanye? That's a tough one. What were you talking about? I knew he was going to say that. Whatever criteria you, whatever criteria. Yeah, like, we took like an artist in a hole.

Starting point is 00:43:22 A hole in a hole, yeah. Yeah, you could take a bag of beats. Yeah, so that's a hole, in a hole. A hole, in a hole, yeah. Yeah, you could take a bag of Beats, just Beats. Yeah, so that's a weird one, still. It only gets weirder. Yeah, I'll just take the shot, man. I don't know, I don't know. Cheers. You know what I wanted to know?

Starting point is 00:43:45 I was watching the Feral documentary, innit? And then it was talking about when you lot made Super Fagga, right? Yeah, Super Fagga. Yeah, we say Fag, innit? It sounds different, innit? Right, right. Super Fagga.

Starting point is 00:44:00 So, yeah, but he was telling a story called, but you know, the only bit I was thinking, like, what I wanted to know, yeah, but he was telling a story called, but you know the only bit I was thinking, like what I wanted to know, like, he told the whole story, but he didn't tell the bit, like when he was like, yeah, in the Philippines, you in the mansion? What, bro? You know, so I was thinking, like, what was,

Starting point is 00:44:19 how did you think of that bit? Was it natural, like, you know what I'm saying? That was already on the track. That was already on there? I'm going to actually be honest with you. I never paid attention to that part. Yeah. Bro, that's the intro, bro.

Starting point is 00:44:34 Yeah, I know. But once the beat dropped, I was like, that was it. I was locked in. I didn't care about the intro. What a lot of that kind of. I know he said, like, Noriega. And I was like, all right, that's the first time I heard somebody make a beat for me using my name.

Starting point is 00:44:46 So it wasn't that, it was like, once that sound drop and I said that, I was just like, oh, I need to not play with this. And I knew that was a different sound. And I know I sound like a genius now, but I swear to God, I knew that shit then. You know what I mean? I was just like, all right, cool.

Starting point is 00:45:06 And like I said, I wrote the whole rhyme right there in the Kent Hotel, and I flew back the next day, and I went to a studio called Right Track, recording studio on 48th Street, and I laid the whole shit, that's one track. That's one whole track. One take. Yeah, one take, yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:23 But the hook as well. I didn't know how to punch in. Tell us about the hook. That's why he says the hook. That's why the hook was. I always say it wasn't even a hook. Yeah, he was counting the bars. I was counting bars.

Starting point is 00:45:32 I was counting bars at the time. Yeah, cause I'm saying. That is just in the future with it. He's done the hook and the verse, he's still counting. It's still structured correctly. Right, right. You know what I mean? But it was Pharrell that kept that. Yeah, it was Pharrell who was the genius one that was like.

Starting point is 00:45:57 Okay, that chopped it up. Yeah, that was like. Okay, oh he chopped it up. He took the ones out too, remember. Okay, okay, okay. The original hook is going to say one on there. It's like, one, two. So, I don't even know how he kept me on beat.

Starting point is 00:46:09 I've never asked him that question. And I've never asked him about the intro neither. I ain't gonna lie, we just said that just now, I'm like, 27 years later, I kinda never asked him. We not asking him. I kinda never. It's good that you never lied though. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:46:23 Because basically, I'm just never gonna know. Wait, wait, wait, did I never ask? No, I'm saying it's good that you never lied though. What did you say? Because basically, I'm just never going to know. Wait, wait, wait, did I never ask? No, I'm saying it's good that you never lied about it. Yeah, no, yeah, because you know what happened? You just said, yeah, I don't know. You can make up out of the fact that you made it. I do not remember. To tell you the truth, I never kind of remember that part.

Starting point is 00:46:40 Like, even when I perform it, I go straight into the one-way. So in my mind, for the last 20 years, that shit doesn't even exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's mad. By the way, it's crazy. It starts from ch-ch-ch-ch. Yeah, yeah. And then he goes, the Philippines or whatever.

Starting point is 00:46:53 But my performance, it goes ch-ch-ch-ch. What, what, what? So we don't retake that shit out. OK. So like, like. So you don't even put that in the show, in the live show, man. No, like, you're kind of fucking me up.

Starting point is 00:47:03 That's mad. Like, when you say that. If I went to the live show, and I heard that, cause I've never seen that. Right, right, right, right, right. No, but, but, but. So if I went to the live show and I didn't hear that bit, you in the feel of, cause that's the bit where you're walking, that's the bit where you're walking out, like it's nori.

Starting point is 00:47:17 That's the setup of the whole show. You know what I'm saying? You gotta realize, when I perform it, I'm performing near the end of the show, so you're kind of like already exhausted. You just wanna jump into it. Yeah, yeah already exhausted. You just want to jump into it. Yeah, so you want me to jump into it. That's not fair.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Like, yeah, because you go shh. And it's like, as soon as you hear the helicopters, you subconsciously, you heard the intro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In your mind, you heard it. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:47:37 No, you don't want to hear it. No, no, no. No, you're a real hip hopper, so I respect that. But most people like, like, Swizz to this day always says to me, yo, you know, you never let the beat drop from Bam from TV. That's a crazy story, too. No one actually knows that that's the first loop that

Starting point is 00:47:53 a beat actually drops. It's not the beat. It's not the beat. So it's like, so. He just looped it for them to rhyme on. And they made a whole song. And Swizz mastered it. All of that shit is like.

Starting point is 00:48:02 It still fits 27 years later. But your music's a movie, fam. That's a movie, bro. Well, let's take a shot for that. I didn't go. Hold on, hold on. Let's take a shot for that. Salud.

Starting point is 00:48:10 Hold on, we'll get right back into it. Hold on, wait, wait. But a fun fact about the Philippines thing, his DJ now is from the Philippines. My DJ is from the Philippines, but he wasn't that year. I didn't meet him that year. That same exact year. So you gotta do it where he says the Philippines.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah, I've never thought about this. I'm telling you, this is the first time. That's important, bro. I want to hear that. Okay, podcast or radio? It's the same for me, to be honest. Yeah, that's why. Same shit.

Starting point is 00:48:41 We drinking because it's both. Okay, yeah, man. I mean, that's what the rules. Well, what's the difference, really? Well, one's why. Same shit. We drinking because it's both. Okay. Oh, yeah. All right, man. I mean, that's what it is. What's the difference, really? Yeah. Well, one's long form.

Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, and one is radio based. One is music based and one is an interview based. Like, we couldn't do this on radio because it's long form. You can't do it. You got radio short conversations in between radio and music segments. Yeah, yeah, I guess. You know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:04 Let me get that light off of you. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you. OK, you ready? Doma. Scarface? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, he said both. OK, my bad. Oh, and you got to get this one anyway.

Starting point is 00:49:12 I just realized what it says. Cheers. The heavenly sake is nice. That drink's nice, too. What is a heavenly sake? A sake, yeah. RZA put us on to it. RZA put us on to that. That's nice, too. And I ain't Heavily Sake? Sake, yeah. RZA put us on to that.

Starting point is 00:49:26 That's nice too. And I ain't even a Sake guy like that, but that's clean. I wasn't. He turned me out. Pause. I kind of listened to what anything RZA said. But sadistic period, like RZA could be like, listen, man, we're going to walk to the top of the mountain and talk to a Chinese monk and rub our beads and we must not have on no socks.

Starting point is 00:49:52 And I'm going to be like, let's go RZA. He's been proving that he's the Abbot. So he's told us that this. So all right, let's go. Scarface or Ice Cube? Yes. Oh, Cube, man. That's my guy. Yeah. Yeah, let's go. Scarface or Ice Cube? Yes. Oh, Cube, man, that's my guy. Yeah, that's Cube's, for me, that's the main guy.

Starting point is 00:50:11 All right. Yeah, Cube is one of my favorites. Scarface is a go-to. Scarface is cold. But Cube, NWA and then everything after. I don't even think, you can't even ask me about anyone against them, like NWA. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:50:26 All right. That Scarface is good. You know what's crazy? And I know I'm a little off subject, but still on subject. I really kind of realized that, I know we spoke about this before, that Scarface made the fix.

Starting point is 00:50:41 Like, that was a classic album made recently. Like, that was in the last 10 years, right? No, no. Now more than 10 years, but it is. All right, I mean, I was on actual Def Jam with him. I was on Def Jam with him. That was a good album. Classic album, no, that's a classic.

Starting point is 00:50:57 Classic albums of a legend that came before me that I was actually on the same label with him. I just thought about that the other day. You know what I mean? Okay, last one. I got one to add. London or Kingston? London, I'm from London.

Starting point is 00:51:13 I just wanted to test you. You're making this difficult. Kingston, that's the, but London's my ends. All right, the last one. All right, last one. Loyalty or respect? All right, the last one. All right, last one. Loyalty or respect?

Starting point is 00:51:29 Loyalty. OK. Respect, though. That's just like, yeah, I respect him. I mean, he's going to be loyal. All right. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:51:39 I respect that. So no, we'll take a shot. I mean, it's the last one. We'll take a shot anyway. All right, cool. shot. I mean, it's the last one. Take a shot anyway. All right, cool. Cheers. So now, how the hell and where was you at when you get a call and they say, the mandem, the light skinned guard, six guard

Starting point is 00:52:03 wants to work with you. And then you tell, do you hang up on these people? Like shut the fuck up. Or you be like, of course, of course he wants to work with me. Like how did this happen? When you get the call? If I'm honest, this is honesty. Like I remember I was making my album,

Starting point is 00:52:23 The Landlord, yes, called The Landlord. So I was making my album, The Landlord, yeah, it's called The Landlord. So I was making this album and then I remember I was making a track called Whipping Excursion, you get me? Yeah, I got that in my notes. Yeah. Okay. And I was saying something like, Mrs. In The Crib, you know, I'm keeping that fertile and we don't take pictures, you know, I'm keeping up personal. Like, you know, like them kind of days, I wasn't really posting no women or girlfriends or,

Starting point is 00:52:52 so that was like for the mandem, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like when girls are like, why don't you post me? You know what I'm saying? Like, that was for us, like. We're keeping it open-ended. Yeah, and I thought, right, this bar's cold. And you know that you can see Drake loves women.

Starting point is 00:53:07 I said, that's so cold, Drake's gonna hit me up personally about that one. Like, you hear me? Then I dropped Landlord, and then it started ringing off, and then Drake DM'd me. All right, you haven't met him? Nah, I ain't even met him or nothing.

Starting point is 00:53:23 Then he DM'd me, he said, yo, that Land landlord thing's mad. You get me? And then, yeah, then we just, he said, yeah, man, I got a banger still, I wanted to send it over, what do you reckon I could? This is you saying?

Starting point is 00:53:36 He's saying that to me. He's saying that to you, huh? He's saying, yeah, I got this tune, so I wanted to send it over, what do you reckon? Can I send it? And I was thinking, send it. Send the A$AP. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:53:49 But yeah, where I was, I was just in some car parts. There's a restaurant there called Harvester in London. So I was in the Harvester car part just waiting for food. And then yeah, I just see that DM, like, and I was like, Rod, like Drizzy, like, yeah, man. These times, like, Drizzy weren't really, yeah, I just see that DM, like, and I was like, Ruck, like Drizzy, like, you hear me? These times, like, Drizzy weren't really, like... Fuck it with nobody. Yeah, like, you know them times,

Starting point is 00:54:11 you know when it was, like, mysterious? Right, right. That kind of time, you hear me, like? Did you have to look back and make sure that blue check was there? 100%. I was like, I looked at that a few times, you know what I mean? You go look on the profile. Yeah, you can go look on the profile.

Starting point is 00:54:27 You can make shit. No, no, no, no, no. You can go, what the hell? Yeah, it was one of them ones, too. And then he's arcing, can I send you a tune? I'm like, what? These times, like, you're not hearing, you've heard every Drizzy tune there is to hear, innit?

Starting point is 00:54:42 You know, there weren't no leaks. You know what I'm saying? Like, this was like an exclusive Drizzy tune there is to hear, innit? You know, there weren't no leaks. You know what I'm saying? Like, this was like an exclusive Drizzy in my phone. You know what I'm saying? At that time, that was a mad thing for me. Yeah, that's crazy. And they were both his records. Yeah, so then I done that first one,

Starting point is 00:54:57 the No Long Talk one. And then he hit me about the, he sent me KMT, it was Christmas. KMT. Yeah, and then it was like about the, he sent me KMT, it was Christmas. KMT. Yeah, and then it was like, yeah, what? He said, what, two or more life, yeah? Yeah. And then he sent me KMT.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Yeah, I mean, I said, fam, it's Christmas. He said, fam, man, don't rest even on Christmas. Yeah, I mean. That's probably why. This is Christmas. Yeah. This is Christmas. That's a good one.

Starting point is 00:55:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And y'all really don't celebrate Christmas in London, anyway. No, no, we do. You celebrate? Oh, we do. No, we don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Okay, okay, my bad.

Starting point is 00:55:34 I got to give you. And like July, Fourth of July. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because y'all, that's our independence. Yeah, from us, I feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Foul, niggas. Last week was my first Fourth of July. I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Foul niggas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:45 Yeah. Yeah. But last week was my first Fourth of July here. Out here. Yeah, yeah. That was a vibe still. OK, OK, OK. But my son was out here and that, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:55:56 So it was a vibe. So. That's great. So do you do, do you get, you making a new album? Right now I'm just making bangers. Just making bangers. Slapping them out like. Is there, can we project that Drizzy might be

Starting point is 00:56:12 on your new shit or? Yeah, me I just cook like. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. I got bed, like. Right. I've always got sun. Okay.

Starting point is 00:56:22 From somewhere like. Okay. But then there's me. You know what I mean? Okay.. Okay from somewhere. Okay, but then there's me. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, okay Let me ask you God comes down right now Skicks You get to pick one producer and one artist and this record is gonna save humanity It's gonna stop World War III.

Starting point is 00:56:46 So it looks like we headed towards there. Who are you picking? What artist and what producer? Well, I could do one, but I probably need two. Okay, if you take a shot, we're gonna give you two. No, I'll just have, no, cause it's the same thing really. Okay.

Starting point is 00:57:03 But that's easy. I'll just, it'll be Dre. Okay. And I'll just bring Ho no, because it's the same thing really. Okay. But I'll, that's easy. I'll just, it'll be Dre. Okay. And I'll just bring Hov in to write the verse. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Wait, Dr. Dre? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:12 And Hov. Yeah, so Dre makes the beat. Oh, you said Dre after you said Drake. Oh, Dre. Dre. Dre makes the beat and Hov writes the verse for Dre. Oh, okay. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:57:22 You dig your way. You dig your way through the band. You want still Dre again. That was the smart answer. Yeah. That's the classic. Oh, that's double, because Dre gets to be on the production and he gets to be the feature.

Starting point is 00:57:33 Oh, that's the trick. That was the trick. That's why he said I needed to. Yes, that was the trick. And that's the goat. Like, the goat. That's the biggest. Who, Dre?

Starting point is 00:57:42 He's a big NWA fan. Yes. Dre's the biggest. No, no, yeah. Nah, no, but I do see the biggest. Who, Dre? He's a big NWA fan. Dre's the biggest. No, no, yeah. Nah, no, but I do see the correlation of, that's a big NWA. No, he is, he is. I'm a big NWA fan, but I think he got me.

Starting point is 00:57:56 Yeah. Man, get out of here. You're not a big NWA fan. I told you they had me scared. I told you. That's because you're a fan. That does make you a fan. That's a question earlier. Respect to Lowey.

Starting point is 00:58:11 I'm going to take a shot for that. I'm going to take a shot. What you doing? I'll leave you that to it. No, but let's go actually, let's rewind a little bit because I feel like we skipped over a lot and we ain't going back to like early your career. Yeah. You started rhyming a little bit later, right or making you make are actually making records later Yeah, cuz you got got locked up

Starting point is 00:58:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I started music like yeah when it's when things started popping I was at 28 All right. Yeah me so yeah, it was late like and but you was that's what you were in already I think that's yeah, I went I went to jail when I was 21. But you had already started making music. I was flirting with it. You know what flirting means? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's another reason why

Starting point is 00:58:55 Hov said he reminds you of you is because I believe he got on at that age too. People consider that a latter age, like 27s and 28s. So I think that's one of the reasons too. Right? Yeah, cause then you've seen like, well, depends how your life's set, but then you've seen like,

Starting point is 00:59:13 in the hood anyway, you're gonna have seen the most by fucking 28, bro. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna see it all. So by then, you're in music, it's just gonna be hard to be a superstar then. Right. Did you think it was viable? What do you mean? Did you think it was something that legitimately you could do?

Starting point is 00:59:34 Oh, then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, because I did it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, yeah, this is what I want to do. Because you started popping when you were still inside. No. No? No, no. Your is what I want to do. Because you started popping when you were still inside. Nah. No? Your music wasn't starting to come out? Yeah, there was music out, but- Because you went in twice.

Starting point is 00:59:51 Yeah, yeah. When I went in the second time, I was popping. Okay, okay. Yeah, I was mainstream then. Right. You know what I'm saying? I was geeks. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:00:01 But yeah, the first time when I went in, yeah, I was just like, starting to make music and that. But even before that, I used to DJ. I used to DJ dance all. You get me? And wait, wait, because there's different definitions of DJs. No, no, no. Like DJ, like real DJ.

Starting point is 01:00:19 I don't know. No, because we buy DJs. What other DJs is there? Well, no, in Jamaica, the DJ is the, they chatting, they rapping. Oh. They rhyming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair play, fair play. Right. Yeah. We threw a club. We threw a club. Yeah, we was just like, okay. Yeah, oh, you brought us a dance hall.

Starting point is 01:00:37 Nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't know anything at all. We was very confused. We was like, yes, man. Yeah, nah, DJ, DJ, like scratch, mix. But that was dance and hip hop, to be honest. Right.

Starting point is 01:00:48 I was more dancehall, but I used to like mix hip hop as well. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because that was, that's all there was then, isn't it? Like it was, it was hip hop and it was, well then we used to call it ragga. That's what you call dancehall? Yeah, we used to call it. Yeah, in London we say ragga.

Starting point is 01:01:04 Ragga muffin. Right. Yeah. I mean, we would say ragga, but never heard it as the name for dance hall. Yeah, I'm I would say yeah Well, you listen to raga Yeah, yeah interesting. Yeah, see and I and then fast-forward Girls like we'll say bashman You know saying like when you fast forward to like, I don't know like the 2000s or something say, ohman. You know what I'm saying? When you fast forward to, I don't know, the 2000s or something, they say, oh, you listen to Bashman.

Starting point is 01:01:28 You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. But then I saw some interview, and some girl was from London, her name's ZZ. She was interviewing Beanie Man, and she was saying, yeah, so Bashman is that, what's that? It sounds foul. I said, yeah, we don't call that that.

Starting point is 01:01:42 It's dancehall, you know what I'm saying? So now, man, this isn't correct, it's like dancehall. You get me? All right, so then you go in for the second time, but you already gigged. The first time was for Hammer, right? Yeah, yeah, first drop, yeah. So now you're gigs. What, the second time?

Starting point is 01:01:57 Yeah, the second time. Now, yeah, I've got like record label. Had you toured yet at that time? No, at that time, I was still banned from touring. But your music is going up and now you can't. Yeah, the music's popping. You can't really go in and make a career. I couldn't do no shows, nothing.

Starting point is 01:02:12 Yeah, I couldn't come to America. Was banned from radio, TV, all of that. Right. So what was the second time for? Strap again, but I was innocent. I was innocent. Okay, all right. Cool, cool, cool. I'm rolling with for? I'm a strap again, but I was innocent Leading up to you being now Giggs before the second time. Who was the people that, like is anybody inspiring you?

Starting point is 01:02:48 Like what's the scene around at that time? Them times it was... And I'm asking this because we're ignorant to the scene out there. Oh you're talking about what's the scene in UK? Yeah and for you, inspiring you specifically, you know what I'm saying? Oh, inspiring me from America or UK? Whatever is inspiring you at the time. Yeah, okay.

Starting point is 01:03:10 So, them times, yeah, them times it's like me and Skepta and that's when, no, that's a bit before Stormzy. And it was like, that's when like, because remember first I said it was just like, it was just me from the streets kind of thing or some gangsta shit. But like just before I went Joe, that's when the streets started getting signed now. So now like the hood niggas are coming into the mainstream.

Starting point is 01:03:37 You know what I mean? So there was like loads of rappers like, Fecky, J Spades, Benny Banks, Joe Black. There was a lot of like, there was mad niggas are coming in like, raw like, there's money in this music team. That's when it was that time. Everyone's coming now.

Starting point is 01:03:54 And they rap, they can really rap. Yeah, yeah, man were getting deals and all that. They're not just doing it just to do it, they can rap. Yeah, they was rap, no, it was good. There was a lot of talent, you know, but there was still niggas on the streets. You know how that goes, like a lot of men didn't make it. You know what I'm saying? Like they probably did, lasted like 10 years or something.

Starting point is 01:04:13 You know what I mean? And then... Shit, in hip hop, 10 years. You know how it goes in the streets, man. Yeah, everyone thinks they're superstars. You know how it goes, man. Niggas, you hear me? Like some men don't really care about music like that.

Starting point is 01:04:26 They just care about the fame, so that ruins their careers. You know what I'm saying? No disrespect to anyone. They're not focused on it. Yeah, so, but that time, that's when the streets started coming through now, you know what I mean? And then I went to jail, you get me? Because I heard you say in an interview

Starting point is 01:04:44 that people getting signed like that actually calmed the streets down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. The streets is way like the 2005 to no, I'll say 2005 to 2010 the streets was mad. So in that sense hip hop saved. Probably a lot of people. 100%.

Starting point is 01:05:06 That's all from you guys. We watched you lot. And like, cause you lot are from the streets. We was watching you lot, we was watching like No Limit. For me personally, that's like Master P. And that was like, Master P was the ones who made me, like No Limit, Master P, that's who made me, like no limit, Master P,

Starting point is 01:05:25 that's who made me actually think, bro, I need to do this music. Like, you know what I'm saying? They had a blue print, cash money after them, blue print. Yeah, yeah. They just reminded me of like... Was it the independence too? Like you being independent, was that a major part of it?

Starting point is 01:05:38 No, it was more like, there was just like some crazy savage niggas like, you know what I'm saying? And that was just the mandem at that time. Like that's why then we called ourselves Spare No One. That's SM1, like that's what's here, SM1. So like that was off Master P, no limit. It was like, yeah, we're savage, Spare No One.

Starting point is 01:06:01 No one's getting spared, like we fuck niggas up. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that was when we started, you know what I mean? Right. So that was more man's influence. You get me? Yeah. Now, let's keep it real.

Starting point is 01:06:16 Dude, London people look at Americans and be like, man, them don't know how to dress. Because y'all motherfuckers put on scarves. You got the Peppalee Pew jackets. Y'all like, you know, you know, we know y'all got style in London. You know what I'm saying? Like, do y'all look at, keep it real, keep it real.

Starting point is 01:06:36 Do y'all sometimes look at Americans and be like, ridiculous. Now I think, I think, I think that, I think that just depends on a person. It's the person, okay. It's the person, you know what I'm saying? You got a man in London who can't dress, a man in London who can, but you lot got- Because a person in Harlem, they'll always claim another Harlem person, but yeah, because

Starting point is 01:06:59 we're from Harlem, that's how we do it. A person from Queens would say that. But that's why I said like, Harlem, you lot say Harlem's a flight, niggas, yeah? Well then, I don't know, back then, you lot say the Harlem, that's why Harlem reminds me of like West London. Okay.

Starting point is 01:07:13 Because them man are like, like flies, but they're still, but they're still gangsters. You know what I'm saying? Like, Idris, no, Idris, he's from East. Okay, all right, cool. He's from East, yeah. In my mind. Yeah, yeah. All right, cool. But yeah, nah, nah, I like the way you lot dress. You lot, you lot, like just, no, it just, he's from East. Okay, all right, cool. He's from East, yeah. In my mind. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:25 But yeah, nah, nah, I like the way you look dressed. You look, you look, like even like now, most of the stuff I wear is from New York. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like most of the, like the stacks or like, you know what I'm saying? Or even like here, it's the first place I've seen

Starting point is 01:07:41 man wearing shorts and a shirt. Right. Like a button up, like. Oh, okay. Man ain't seen a man wearing shorts and a shirt. Right. Like a button up. Oh, yeah. Man ain't seeing a man wearing shorts and button up. And socks. Right. The socks match.

Starting point is 01:07:52 You know what I'm saying? You know a guy all the way down to the socks. I think I'm almost going to start shooting a button up right now. That's the story right now. And low socks. And then look at him. You guys have a memo. But in my head, I'll think, how's that gonna work?

Starting point is 01:08:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe, like, white Utes in London might do that. See, I told them, that's how they took that. Yeah, like, white Utes might dress up, but niggas, man, they may dress in like that, like, you know what I'm saying? But then I come out here and I'll think,

Starting point is 01:08:22 you know what, this kinda works.'ll think, do you know what? This kind of works too. Like, you know? Even the studio, like, you get me? So a lot of the, I would take style from here as well. Right. You know, so I couldn't even say that. Okay. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:08:34 And to be honest, like, we've copied a lot of you lot's style. Okay. Like, in it from, remember, hip hop, like, I don't know, 90s or something. Right. Baggy jeans and that. That's whys or something, baggy jeans and that. That's why London would be wearing baggy jeans. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:08:49 And then I think after a while London was like, you know what, we're doing our own thing. That's when we wore straight jeans. And then- You all saying y'all invented skinny jeans? I didn't say, I won't say we invented it. I won't say we invented it. But I was like-

Starting point is 01:09:04 I mean, straight and skinny are two different things, too. Yeah, 100%. Because skinny jeans are the same. That's the mother thing. The skinny thing, that's like... Yeah, that's not... That's totally different. But then we'll be like, yeah, straight jeans,

Starting point is 01:09:18 like a clean jumper or something, jumper's a sweater. Like a queen jumper and shit. That would be man. And then we'd be like, raw, this is London. All right. You know what I'm saying? And then now it's like everyone's like American man with just like UK and vice versa.

Starting point is 01:09:34 Okay. We gotta get this one out, out the way. Central Sea offended a lot of New York people. Yeah, with the tracksuit thing. They screamed at Nike tech. offended a lot of New York people. Yeah, with the tracksuits. They screamed Nike Tech. Hold on, we didn't even know you had Nike out there. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Starting point is 01:10:00 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, us. Like, man, even when I come here. Right, because you've got to remember, Nike Tech is a special type of Nike. No, no, no, I'm going to answer. I'm going to answer. I'm going to answer. All right, cool.

Starting point is 01:10:12 I'm going to answer. Like, so even for me, yeah, when I start, remember, I'm banned for 10 years. Right, OK. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what's going on. You get me? So then I'll come out here, and then

Starting point is 01:10:22 the man them will wear Nike Techs. Right. Like, you get me? And remember this is after COVID, so everyone's masked up now as well. Nike tex and a mask. You get me? That's what I'm coming to see in New York.

Starting point is 01:10:34 You get me? And I'm like, raw, this is like the ends. Like, fuck it. But these men wear this stuff. You get me? So even for me, I thought, raw, this is how you lot dress, but I'm not gonna to jump and say, we started that, because I don't know.

Starting point is 01:10:49 You know them ones, and it's Nike. Remember, Nike's worldwide, bro. That's everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? So, but what, like, I think it's more the internet. You know them ones, the internet, yeah, is like, it just like makes things worse than it is.

Starting point is 01:11:06 This is like, that's a kid. He's like a couple of years older than my son. How the fuck is he gonna know? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the facts though. That's the fact, how the fuck is it so, and like you got like grown men, like even couple of my American bridesmaids who are older,

Starting point is 01:11:22 hitting me, oh, what's this situation? And I'm like, are you calling me about this? That's a kid. You're a grown man, like, you're answering me about this little, like, say like, Maine, yeah, Maine, that's my brethren. He knows my son, yeah? If my son said that, Maine is not gonna call me about that. He's not gonna call me about that.

Starting point is 01:11:45 He's not gonna call, what's that male say? He's gonna be like, he's a kid, what's he gonna know? Because of the internet, since you see he's big, he must know what happens if London and America, you know what I'm saying? Like when really, he just didn't know. He's just like, he's big now, he got a little, like, well, ignorant is the word, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:12:07 He was ignorant to that and he said something on camera. You know, we've all done it, but really, what the fuck's he gonna know? He's a little kid, bruv. Right, he's not that serious. And then afterwards he said, yeah, maybe you lot did have like, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:12:22 Cause I mean, you could go back to old Nas video. Yeah. And you could see it wasn't called Nike Tech back then. Yeah. It was the special version of the Nike suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course, of course. Yeah, but yeah, that's it. Yeah, man, that's, yeah, that's, that's both.

Starting point is 01:12:37 A lot of the stuff's similar. Right. Like when I come over now, everything's just the same shit, like just in different ways and the cultures, it's a tiny bit, because remember, like I said, you got Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Belizeans. Now we got Jamaicans. Don't cry, don't cry.

Starting point is 01:12:55 Columbia, you know what I'm saying? So like even a lot of them things will be sprinkled into you lot's culture as well. And then it's American culture. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so a lot of stuff things will be sprinkled into you lots culture as well. And then it's American culture. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, so a lot of stuff we don't know about and vice versa. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I just wouldn't jump up and say, we done this first.

Starting point is 01:13:16 So we could we don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah. So let me let me ask you. I'm there's two more on one more questions. I want to ask you my question. Now, this is, this is something that, I'm in Richard Millie, and I'm getting my band switched. So I asked it, so I, this guy's like,

Starting point is 01:13:36 hey, what are you doing? And I'm like, hey, I'm going to London. And he's like, do not wear your watch in London. Now, for some reason, I had searched that, and there was literally videos of people coming up to people. Getting robbed. No, I'm talking about, I guess they were chopping their hands off.

Starting point is 01:13:54 I guess they didn't want to actually. I'm yet to see this video. Not chopping their hands off. Well, you know what? They got a machete? They're coming up to people with a machete. They're coming up to ask. You know what, I said that the actual chop had up to, you know what, I said the actual chop hands off, but that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:14:09 Yeah, with the machetes. They have that machete. They call them ZKs. Okay, now I didn't know if I was watching AI or if it's now, I follow this watch dealer. I follow this watch dealer, he's a Chinese guy, and he walks around London all the time with watches. He has no problem. So, huh?

Starting point is 01:14:30 That's a bad one. No, I'm talking about him and his little watch crew. I mean, he has people following around with an umbrella. So obviously that guy must have a hammer on him. I'm guessing. But is that a real problem in London, like with the white culture? Like this, bro, it's that same thing as here. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 01:14:53 You know what I'm saying? If you're like, I don't know, Diamond District or something and you like, no, I don't know who you are, it could happen. Even if I know who you are, it could happen. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? It's the same shit, like, but them kind of clips are more in what you're seeing is more in like central area.

Starting point is 01:15:12 OK, so that's like Times Square or something. I see that Times Square. That's like our central. OK, West End, we call it. Yeah. That's like where the tourists are at. OK. You know what I'm saying? So like people are robbing tourists. Like there's no come Okay. You know what I'm saying? So like people are rubbing tourists like there's no comebacks. You know what I'm saying? But the chopping of the hand?

Starting point is 01:15:31 They ain't chopping. You didn't hear that? I heard that. I'm just chopping that. I never seen the video. It sounds good. You know what? I would love to make England sound wicked like that.

Starting point is 01:15:42 Say yeah man. No that's just how the man is. You know what I'm saying? I'd love to say that, but I ain't seen it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it has happened. And that's a lot of work you gotta go in with that, Michelle. It's the caption. I believe that's the caption. To take off a hand, there's bones in that. It's not easy. You gotta walk about.

Starting point is 01:15:57 There's bones in that. It's all soft. You gotta put it down on a thing and walk about. Yeah. You can't just go up to a moth. I got you. Well, I believe that was the caption. So that's the reason why, like, I believe the caption, man gets his head chopped off for a watch.

Starting point is 01:16:09 Something like that, something like that. You know, the internet. But the same, it's exactly the same here. Man are jumping off a moped here with machines. They swing that watch. Same, it's exactly the same shit. Like, everything that happens here happens there. Right, the hood is everywhere.

Starting point is 01:16:24 And all over the world. Absolutely Right. And all over the world. Absolutely. Gangsters all over the world. Everywhere has got, anywhere there's poverty, there's gangsters. Or there's no, I wouldn't even say gangster. I'd say people who are desperate. Do you understand?

Starting point is 01:16:38 So anywhere that is, it's going to be jumpy. Right. You know what I mean? I was going to take a shot to that, but I was thinking maybe not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just wait for the next one. No, because those are the people who show us love, though. OK, that's real talk. jumpy. Right. You know what I mean? I was going to take a shot to that, but I was thinking maybe not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, because those are the people who show us love, though. OK, that's real talk.

Starting point is 01:16:48 That's real talk. That's all people. That's all people. Stop looking. Stop looking. So how'd you hook up with 21 Savage? Savage. Because he from the UK, too, right?

Starting point is 01:17:02 Yeah, yeah, he's from the UK. I think I just hit Savage on DM, you know. OK, wow. But Savage is proper. That's a smart nigga, bro. Right. Anyway, let me not even talk his business. OK.

Starting point is 01:17:17 But Savage, he's still like, even when I talk to Savage, he would shock me, because he, just how he knows the ends. Like, he knows names of streets, you know? In detail, in London, like, he knows what's going on, who's who, you know what I'm saying? How far removed is he from those people? He's not far removed.

Starting point is 01:17:44 Right, he's connected in Atlanta. How can you be connected in both? Because I feel like, like, if you're outside looking in, yeah, remember, like, we've studied all of you lot. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, remember, you lot are on our screens our whole life. Right. Like, man like Norrie and that, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:18:04 Like, on our screen growing Norrie and that, you know what I'm saying? Like, on our screen, growing up, that's studying. Right. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? So you come out here now, he's a good kid, come out here, and it's cool, it's America. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:18:20 And he's probably cool, he's from London, you know what I mean? Even though people, he said, he was saying people used to disrespect his accent and he was probably cool. He's from London. You know, even though people he said he was saying people he said disrespect his accent and he was always fighting. But that's so he's going to like he's going to I'm saying he's going to have the knowledge of both worlds. Right. You know, I'm saying that so broader. So for him to get to the top, like me personally, I'm not really surprised because I see a lot of London niggas come out here.

Starting point is 01:18:43 They get to the top, Canadian niggas, they get Americans go to London, they get to the top. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I see American, like I see Maine come to London. Yeah, one time I remember was out with Maine and he's saying, yeah, we're going to this after party. We're in London, yeah. It's like four o'clock in the morning.

Starting point is 01:19:05 But you know New York niggas, you don't sleep. Like you're mad out all night. So I'm saying, man, we're not finding no after party in London at four a.m., bro. And we was in Central, this is the city. Yeah, I'm saying, this ain't happening, fam. But I thought, let me follow him and see where he's going on.

Starting point is 01:19:25 Yeah? So then we're walking in the middle of Leicester Square. Now I'm saying 100% no, nothing's happening tonight. Like this is Leicester Square, this is the top black area, you hear me? Then we pull up, pull up to some spot. And man's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. These times there's like 50 of us as well. Like 50 man, girls, everything. I'm saying this ain't happening.

Starting point is 01:19:51 Next thing we're all walking in and it's a big set-in. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, but that's what I'm saying. Like American, like the man, always do it the biggest. Always, like that's what I noticed. Like anywhere you lot go, you have a great time. You do it the biggest way Always, that's what I noticed. Anywhere you lot go, you have a great time. You do it the biggest way. You know the biggest guy.

Starting point is 01:20:09 You got the big pattern. Pattern means settings, like motion. You lot got the biggest settings, like, and Maine just come and show me something in my own city. You know what I'm saying? But that's what I'm saying about when we come over here. Or like, you know what I mean? We're outside looking in, and yeah,

Starting point is 01:20:30 and that's 21 Savage, bro. Now he's the biggest rapper in the world. EFN, I used to complain about the South not getting love in New York. And I believe- I ain't complaining, I'm just telling you what- Now you lot didn't show the South no love. New York. And I believe- I ain't complaining, I'm just telling you what the hell you did. Now you didn't show yourself, no love.

Starting point is 01:20:47 I remember, listen, no listen. All the way over there. Let me tell you how I know. No, no, let me tell you. No, no, wait, wait, let me tell you how I know, yeah? Because I remember, yeah, because my granddad, he used to live in Brownsville, yeah? So-

Starting point is 01:21:02 Brownsville in Brooklyn. We have a Brownsville here in Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, now in Brooklyn, so- Definitely had to talk about Brownsville. Yeah. So Brownsville in Brooklyn. Yeah. We have a Brownsville here in Brooklyn. So definitely I talk about Brownsville in my head. Yeah. So I was in Brownsville in Brooklyn. Yeah. With my granddad's. Yeah. And Demtime, I used to listen to all No Limit. I had every single No Limit album. Demtime, them albums were 20 pounds. That's like fucking $30. 20 pounds. I. I had every single No Limit album. Them time, them albums were 20 pounds. That's like fucking $30 or something. 20 pounds, I used to buy every single No Limit album.

Starting point is 01:21:30 You get me? Yeah? And I'm on the block and I used to wanna play my Silk the Shot car and my Mac and all that. And I'll put this on you. Yeah, True, all that. I'll put that shit out. This is hard. And then the man, them on the block, I turn that shit off, man. And then they would say, play Ja Rule.

Starting point is 01:21:47 Play Ja Rule's first album. And I was like, I want to listen to this, man. I want to listen to fucking No Lick. By them times, they was not hearing it. And then about a year later, that's when they started playing Bling Bling. I remember Bling Bling was at an interview and he was saying to me, what do you know about that Bling? And I said, you might didn't want to listen to these.

Starting point is 01:22:08 You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I've indicated all the way over there. Yeah. So I saw that firsthand. Okay. Outcast is different. That's the outcast is more commercial, isn't it? I'm talking like. Well, it was Sully on the ground before he came. Yeah, yeah, cool.

Starting point is 01:22:29 Like you're talking like me and you, her cousin and you, like before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't see. But remember, it's different for him up there. Yeah. But we used to fuck with Outkast though. But I feel like Outkast's a bit more commercial though.

Starting point is 01:22:51 Like, I know you're saying underground and that, but it's not like, no limit, no limit, no limit. You know what I'm saying? You get me? You know what I'm saying? So yeah. Well, I want to. What was your point that you were going to make though?

Starting point is 01:23:02 What? About the EFN complaints? No, because I was trying to say was your point that you were going to make though? What? About the EFN complaints. No, because I was trying to say that the hood, that it's now kind of is even in itself out the love everywhere. Like me personally, I don't know if you all know, but I was like the first famous guy to shout out London in a mean way. With Westwood. I said, I pray the best hood. I said best hood.

Starting point is 01:23:27 With Tim Westwood. I said I pray the best hood. I said best hood. Yeah. With Tim Westwood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was crazy. If you knew that, and this is one of the number one records. Yeah. I pray the best hood. OT with Tim Westwood. Used to be on section eight, now my section is good. People didn't even know. I shout out to Mandem. Yeah. London. I didn't even know that was a thing up in London. That was Tim Westwood. Tim Westwood represented London. He was the master flex of that time. Even then times, Westwood used to play that bit on the radio. This is Radio 1.

Starting point is 01:23:57 You play that part? Over and over. That he should. And she'd be like, Oh, Westwood, oh, Tim, Tim, what's up? Boo! And Westwood, oh, Tim, Tim, boober Timbers? Blah, blah, blah. Oh, Timber Timbers. Blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 01:24:07 On the main stage. This is the main stream. That's right, Timbers. That's right. That's right. That's a proper DJ. Yeah, yeah. This is Radio 1.

Starting point is 01:24:15 They don't, like, this is like, like, they play that stuff in, like, stores in London. We call them shops. Yeah, they play that in a shop in London, yeah. Like, where, like, old people are, they don in the shop in London, yeah. Like, where like old people, they don't listen to hip hop basically. And that's Radio 1, that's what plays in there. And he's like, I'm going west with old people. Play it over for about five, 10 minutes.

Starting point is 01:24:37 Just that one bit. I'm going to be honest, I went to London, I fell in love with London, and I was just like, yo, I have to do something to come back. And I knew that if I shot it out and ran for years. People don't know you know London. Yes.

Starting point is 01:24:53 Tell the story when you said you had a madness with the bouncers in London. Oh, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. I'ma chill. That's a good story. Yeah, I'ma chill, I'ma chill, I'ma chill, I'ma chill. I'ma chill, I'ma chill, I'ma chill, I'ma chill, chill, chill. Because there's a couple of. It's a good story. I'ma chill with you, I'ma chill with you, I'ma chill. What? I don't know, I'ma chill with you, I'ma chill with you. There's a couple people that maybe not.

Starting point is 01:25:08 Say it differently. No, there's no way to say it differently publicly. Trust me, I tried, it didn't work. I've already said it. Okay, go ahead, say it. Your miss said it. Go ahead, I'm with you, I'm with you. You said you were in London, yeah?

Starting point is 01:25:22 And then he had a madness for some bouncers and he thought SAS could save him. Yes. And it didn't save him, but that's bouncers in London, yeah? And then he had the madness of some bouncers and he thought SAS could save him. And they didn't save him. But that's bouncers though. That's not even a bad story. That's not like if you saw a bunch of street niggas and SAS were ripping. That's bad. Everyone has madness with bouncers.

Starting point is 01:25:36 Right, right. They put him in the fall of something else, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I never really seen a grown man in the fall of Nelson. I was like, I was shocked. I didn't even know how to help. But where was you though? Where was you?

Starting point is 01:25:46 This dude's from outside of New York. Now where was you in London though? I don't remember what part of London. I just know it was us, Big Daddy Kane. It was a Rockefeller event. Like it was like something that I did not think this was gonna happen. And like yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:59 But I love London, but that's the later years. No, no, but I'm saying yeah. For a London man to hear Noriega was in London and had a madness with bouncers, those are the stories. Well, every spilling the beans. That's like, bro, Noriega knows London like that. That's the stuff we don't really know. That's the stuff people care about.

Starting point is 01:26:18 That's in the middle of 2000s, in the middle of the late 2010s. But we're skipping over a whole nother part. What happened was, Capone and Noriega, which was the album that came out before NRE, was so big, to this day, Capone and Noriega is bigger than Norie in London.

Starting point is 01:26:37 That's a big album. Yeah, that's bigger than Norie in London. And so Norie coming out there, that's the reason why I said Tim Westwood was because I'm like, I want to go back out there. You know what I mean? Like, they showed Capone and Norriega so much love. But so I want to take the time out today.

Starting point is 01:26:53 Maybe in the streets though. Maybe in the streets, cause that Norrie album was big. That's a big album. You know what? Let me describe that a little better. It was big first. Capone and Norriega.

Starting point is 01:27:04 And then- Played the foundation for you up there. And then you know what? But I'm not going to take away from that comments. That underground audience, like the MOP, like the best thing about London is I could get two shows. I can do a Capone & Noriega show early and I can do a Norrie show at night.

Starting point is 01:27:21 You know what I'm saying? And that's 1 million percent. But I want to take your time out, because I haven't said this. I really understood UK hip hop. I understood London scene. And that's the reason why I shouted it out early. And yes, you guys are welcome.

Starting point is 01:27:36 Bobby Boy is like this. Yes. We got to do a live Dream Champs in London. Oh, for sure. For sure. But I'm gonna tell you the truth. We got'm telling you the truth, we gotta be on time. We gotta be on time. One time we came late, they do not like that shit.

Starting point is 01:27:50 We'll be on time. They do not like that shit, yo. So, okay. Now, we got... Dave East, didn't you make a record with Dave East? How did that happen? And Dave East, that's my brother-in-law still. Like one time he come London and he come to the studio and I remember I can't lie that day.

Starting point is 01:28:12 I wasn't a great host. I'm not going to lie to you. Like even East doesn't know he's going to know now. Like by that day I was having an argument with one Ting like that I used to beat then. So I was trying to get back to the Ting but this time Dav Davies in London. This is Davies.

Starting point is 01:28:27 But you know, when you're beefing with a ting like you can't think about nothing else. So ting ting when you're beefing with a ting. You know what I'm saying? So I flew down to the studio, link East, and I had the chef in the studio and all that. Chef cooked in some yard food and I said, yeah, man, this is your house, man. You get me? Do your thing. I left all the soldiers there and that, like, this is you, you get me?

Starting point is 01:28:50 Then I went back to the ting. You know what I'm saying? So, obviously that's me and East linked from then. You get me? So then obviously when I got my visa, then I've come back out here and I've linked with East, and that's the man then, you know what I'm saying? East is certain, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:29:08 Hell yeah, that's my brother. And he's cold as well. Yeah. Now obviously man's a big fan, you know what I mean? Right. East is cold, man. I just met with Dave East in bottle. Yeah, me and East got couple tracks, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:29:20 But obviously that one day I made the album, you know what I mean? Okay. You think that, like everybody has a podcast right now. Have you been thinking about doing a podcast? I'm sure somebody came up to you and was like... Yeah, no, it's not for me, man. I don't really... You're like the first rapper that said that.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Let me make some noise for you. Everybody else so greedy. And like, oh, it's a skit. And it's starting to get a little crazy. It's starting to get a little crazy. It's starting to get a little crazy. I think Kermit the Frog got a podcast at this time. Yeah, and a lot of that, that's why I like, I don't even go on a lot of podcasts.

Starting point is 01:29:54 You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of them are just negative, man a bit off. Like you know what I'm saying? Like you, you've had success. You know what I'm saying? And we're giving people their flowers. A lot of men just go in there cause they still want to rap, really. You know what I'm saying? And we're giving people their flowers. Yeah, you're giving flowers. A lot of men just go in there because they still want to rap, really. You know what I'm saying? You get me, but it's not really... He get me, so they're just negative.

Starting point is 01:30:13 Yeah, clickbait shit. I'm not really into it. And it's grown men. That man's watching legends being negative. No, it's sad. It's sad, but when you watch Drink Champs, you laugh. Yeah, we're trying to celebrate careers. The other stuff, you click for rumors.

Starting point is 01:30:31 This one, you say, yeah, man, let me hear, like, man's watching, like, a three, four-hour cartel or something, or fucking... The other day I watched Buju, you know what I'm saying? Or, like, Fab or something, you get me? You know what I'm saying? Or like, or like FAB or something, you get me? Like, you know what I'm saying? But the other ones, so I'm not really, it's not really. That's what's even the beauty about us

Starting point is 01:30:51 doing business with Bleak right now, is Bleak is keeping that tradition too. He has no controversy, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you know. Yeah, cause he just started one, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He was, yeah, he was. We got our own network.

Starting point is 01:31:03 You don't got your own too, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah brought us. He brought us. Yeah, we got our own network. You got your own too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got our own network. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we doing it right, you know what I mean? Everyone that's down with us kind of owns their own material. You know what I mean? Like, we don't want to be those guys that claim this.

Starting point is 01:31:17 Yeah, we want to help launch people's thoughts. Yeah, yeah. So, right now, that's dope. But have anybody ever approached you to do a podcast? Yeah, people always say yeah, but no, that's not. Yeah, no, that's dope. Yeah, that's dope. But all right, so I asked you earlier, but I want to reiterate it so the fans can know.

Starting point is 01:31:36 So you were saying that we were making singles. We're not focused on making an album or EP right now. No, I didn't even make EPs. Okay, so no EPs. Not for me. Okay. so no EPs, no? Not for me, like. That's more, anyway, let me not disrespect you. Right.

Starting point is 01:31:50 It's not for me, like. But right now, yeah, I'm just dropping music because the game's kind of at a time where everyone's kind of scared, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. Like, everyone's just scared to drop music. Remember before, man was just lacing bangers. Wham, wham, wham.

Starting point is 01:32:07 Look who was talking about like, rough riders and you know what I'm saying? And even away from that, they were still lacing bangers. You still catch another 10, 15 kisses of 50 seagulls and an A-Team or a fucking T-Mall list or something. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? But now it's just like, everyone's just focused on,

Starting point is 01:32:28 yeah, I've got to get the numbers. And it's just not about music, innit? So now I'm just enjoying music and just lacing bangers, you get me? And that's where I'm at with it. Well, let's go, actually go back to the Slick Rick joint. How did that come about? Cause it's a good album.

Starting point is 01:32:48 Yeah, yeah, no, that's a... Full project. And then you even get in that call. How did that happen? Because Slick, so Slick, he's on Idris' album. Label, innit? Right, yeah, yeah. Is it Idris and Nas?

Starting point is 01:33:02 Well, he produced it for sure. Mass Appeal, Mass Appeal. Yeah, Mass Appeal, which is Nas. What's Idris and Nas? Well, he produced it for sure. He's the producer. Masapir, Masapir. Yeah, Masapir, which is Nas. And what's Idris? Seven Wallace. So Seven Wallace. That's the production company? No, that's his label.

Starting point is 01:33:11 Oh, okay. Idris Elba. Okay. And then Nas, Masapir, I think it's a joint. I'm not sure. I feel like it is. I'm not sure. But yeah, so I think, well, don't quote me.

Starting point is 01:33:24 I was just watching the interview, but I saw Slick, he I think, don't quote me, I was just watching the interview, but I saw Slickie was saying, yeah, I had to get Nas from hip hop, I mean from New York and gigs from London. It's like, oh geez, you get me? So yeah, Idris's team, obviously Idris is the man, you know what I mean? Yeah, and then he reached out to me and said,

Starting point is 01:33:42 Slick Rick, and then they sent it to me. And man's got a fresh Slit Rick. Remember, in the beginning, yeah, all this stuff starts on your phone. Right. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, man sent me the Slit Rick, same thing, the Drake.

Starting point is 01:33:57 Right. You know what I mean? Fucking the whole thing, like. I'm taking a shot for this, you're getting me hyped. You're getting me hyped. What's the feeling? You got shot there? Come on, let for this, you're getting me hyped. You're getting me hyped. I'm just being honest with you. You got a shot there? Come on, let's go, you're getting me hyped.

Starting point is 01:34:07 Shut up. The way you describe it, you're getting into it. Keep going, I'm sorry, keep going, keep going, keep going. It's watching your phone. It's there on there. Does that seem like it's not real though? Yeah, like guru hit me. Yeah, ay, don't tell no one but listen.

Starting point is 01:34:21 Show me the hove ting, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is all stuff I'm a fan of, like, even like Slick. You have guru when you say young? Guru, like, rock guru. Yeah, young guru. Yeah, young guru, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I heard you was in Disney World. Yeah, I was in Disney, you know what I'm saying? Like, so like, yeah, it's all, but remember, I'm a fan,

Starting point is 01:34:38 like, I grew up, you can see I'm a fan now, like, of the whole thing, you get me? Like, even like, Slick Rick, like, man used to listen to Lardy Dardy on my Walkman walking to school. Where was you at with Slick Rick? You got the Slick Rick call, where was you at? I can't even remember that one. Universal Studios.

Starting point is 01:34:54 I can't remember that one, I'm not gonna lie, I'll be lying, I can't even remember. But I just remember when I got that, the Slick Rick, so I'm like, this is Slick Rick. Them ones I had to phone. You got the verse you're saying? Yeah, I had to call my mom in that. That's them ones, like, hey mom, I got the Slick Rick, I'm like, this is Slick Rick. Them ones I had to phone. You got the verse you're saying? Yeah, I had to call my mom and that. That's them ones, like, hey mom, I got the Slick, you know.

Starting point is 01:35:09 Right. He's like the first 21 Savage if you think about it. Yeah, he is. He's the first 21. Yeah, he is. That, that, that, that's great. That's the, bro, that's Slick Rick, bro. Super legend.

Starting point is 01:35:21 You know what I'm saying? People don't even know he's English. Right. Yeah. We all knew that. But he never kind of denied it. Nah, even my girl,? People don't even know he's English. Right. We never kind of denied it. Nah, even my girl, she was like, right, he's from UK. They were trying to deport him. It was a big old thing. There was a big movement with his wife.

Starting point is 01:35:34 Why did Slick go back to jail? I believe it was a gun. Was it a gun? It was a gun too, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you following his steps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but, yeah, but, uh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:46 But yeah, so yeah, that's like, bro, man's walking to school listening to Ladi Dali and that. That's mad, bro. Super classic. I would have never, ever thought in the future walking to school, I'm going to have that in my phone, fam. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no.

Starting point is 01:36:02 It's like, pinch yourself shit. That's madness, bro. So let me ask you. You know what I mean? Out Yeah, no. It's like pinch yourself shit. That's the madness, bro. You know what I mean? Out here, we say college. Yeah. Y'all say university. Yeah, university. Like we say vacation.

Starting point is 01:36:12 You say university also, though. I mean, no. We usually college. We got school, yeah, and then college, and then university. Oh, shit. So you finish school when you're 16, then you go college. Is that community college? No, it's just like, it's like Ulox University, really, kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:36:31 But we don't have like, I don't really think, people don't really like stay there. They don't have like campuses and that. It's just college, you just go there. And at uni, you have to level up to get to uni. And that's when there's like campuses and parties. And we say vacation, y'all say holiday. Okay, but let me ask you a question. On Slick Rick's children's story, he said, crashing to a tree near university. The biggest debate is, and I have not been able to ask Slick Rick, do you think he

Starting point is 01:37:03 was talking about college? Or do you think he was talking about college or do you think he was talking about university in the Bronx? The street, I think he's talking about the street. It sounds like, him having the accent, it must be America. It got you thinking, okay. Yeah, because even someone said, why is like Savage, he hasn't even got English,

Starting point is 01:37:18 because he grew up in America. Okay. Do you know what I'm saying? You're going to get the accent. Okay. You hear me, like, so he must have to get an accent. Okay. You hear me? So he must have grown up from here from young. Okay.

Starting point is 01:37:27 So probably, but you'd have to ask him. Yeah, no, no, I don't want to ask him. I want this to be a mysterious. Well, for a second I thought he was on the Rock the Bells call, but he wasn't. No. We had mad legends on there. Did you see I saw Rakim? Yeah, that was dope.

Starting point is 01:37:45 Let's take a shot for a rock him? Yeah, let's do it. Let's take a shot for a rock him. South of the blue. Yeah. She just went left bill for no reason. Yo, this Candela mix. So this is my ting though.

Starting point is 01:38:02 The Ross Clark, Mama Wanda. Mama Wanda. Mama Wanda. Mama Wanda, you got me? It's the Mayan ting. You say your girl is Dominican? Yeah. That's also for... Yeah, for the works.

Starting point is 01:38:17 For the works. It's a ting for the ting ting. Yeah, you know the ting. We'll say for the work. All You know the ting, you know the ting. We're safe at work. All right, so, all right, so, we say yande and yala. So let me, yala. We say you lot.

Starting point is 01:38:35 Okay, so for the people that don't know, you gotta describe the people. A ting is a noun, right? It's a person, place. He's talking about a girl when he says no. Ting is everything. Yeah, so it's a person, place, He's talking about a girl when he says no. Ting is everything. Yeah, that's what they say, person, place, or thing. Ting is, ting is.

Starting point is 01:38:48 Ting could be, you could go to the ting, you could be at the ting, or you could be doing a ting. Well, ting is a thing. Doing a ting, yeah. It's a thing. Or a ting, like, all right, look, them ting's over there, a bud, you know? Like, oh, ting's, like, yeah, I'm gonna go

Starting point is 01:39:01 and link this ting. Right. Ting, or, yeah, it's everything. Yeah. We could say it with or, yes, everything. Yeah. We could say it with thing. It's the same word. We should dare not say it with thing. It's just with no H.

Starting point is 01:39:11 Listen, that is blasphemy for saying it with H in it. Take that H out of there. It's just a ting. I am American, my brother. But that's from Miami. I mean, not from Miami, but you grew up in. No, no, yeah, I'm from Miami. I'm 305.

Starting point is 01:39:27 You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? No, yeah, we're everything, actually. Yeah, everything. Yeah, yeah. We're everything. Like Khalid. Like, Khalid, I can talk to Khalid normal.

Starting point is 01:39:37 Right. You know what I'm saying? No, Khalid, he's Jamaican. Let's just throw it out there. He made his chops. I made his chops through this song. He went to Barbados the other day. He had a better Jamaican accent than the Barbados.

Starting point is 01:39:49 But they're not Jamaican. They have their Bajan, bro. But exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. They almost looked at him like, Yer, Yerasta, Yerasta. Yer Yadman. He called, he said the Yad. Bajans got their own.

Starting point is 01:40:01 No, no, no, no, no, no. Khalid, he has earned his wife, his right. He has earned his right to be an honorary yard man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has earned his wife. I vote. Listen, for the Jamaican society, let me look at y'all.

Starting point is 01:40:20 Curry, Curry. Look at the Jamaican camera. I'm listening to the Jamaican camera. What the fuck? Why is he gonna be on the left? No, he's Jamaican. He's Jamaican. Cause he's Jamaican, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:40:32 He's on the right. Yeah, okay. From the left to the right. I stood up to you on the left one side. Right? Listen, to the Jamaican society, I have interviewed Buju Bantan. I've interviewed Beanie Man.

Starting point is 01:40:47 I've interviewed, it wasn't me. Shaggy. Shaggy. Shout out to Shaggy, bro. And I've interviewed the God, the God, the world boss, Bob Scartell. And to the Jamaican Society, I invest. Rohan, don't forget Rohan.

Starting point is 01:41:07 Rohan Marley, that's right. That you guys make Khaled an honorary yard man. Let's make Khaled an honorary yard man. Now, I'll say Khaled made himself. Khaled made himself an honorary yard man. You see, you know Khaled, you know Khaled, even me. You know Khaled, I know Khalid from dance hall. Yeah, he made his way through me.

Starting point is 01:41:28 Even from, where's Jazzy T in the back? That's Jazzy T for Renaissance. Yeah. Oh, what? That's Jazzy T over there. Oh shit. Jazzy, that's why Jazzy's the G. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:40 And you don't even say nothing. You know what I'm saying? But like, even so, like even the other day I posted the picture with like Cartel, Khaled, Boudreaux, Bounty, Mbado. But quick, because you said Renaissance and people don't know what we talking about. We talking about sounds.

Starting point is 01:41:57 Yeah, Renaissance sound, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying the DJ crews, like the sounds. Yeah. So I posted that picture, yeah. Because obviously that picture's crazy. That's like the new firm in our face. Not even a new firm. That's like, just, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:42:10 There's just so much history. So much history. But like mad people saying, oh, why is Khaled there? Why isn't it a bit? No, no, he made his shot though. But like, you see Khaled there. That's what I'm saying. I know Khaled from dance hall first.

Starting point is 01:42:23 Wow. Like even, like I remember. Take a shot for Khaled, man. You know, 100% Khaled is saying. I know Khalid from dancehall first. Like even, I remember. Take a shot for Khalid, man. You know, 100%. Khalid's a- Yeah, continue, continue. Just continue. But I'm saying, yeah, so Khalid, I remember,

Starting point is 01:42:31 because I used to listen to Renaissance, like Jazzy T, Stone Love, Stone Love, legends. And Renaissance. Then I used to hear Khalid, and these are on cassette tapes. So I used to hear Khalid, and he used to like,

Starting point is 01:42:43 Khalid used to have bare dub plates. Khaled was on Mix96, it was a big Caribbean station, pirate station. Yeah, I thought it was a Khaled's radio station. No, it was a pirate station. But like, so them days here, Khaled used to have bare bounty killer dubs. Now you see them days here, to have bounty killer dubs. And for people who don't know, dubs is like a freestyle. Dub plate.

Starting point is 01:43:02 Yeah. Nah, it's not a freestyle, it's like when you take the song and you make it special. But for hip hop, they would relate it to a freestyle. They saying your name on the record, they taking a popular record that they got already and they adding you to the record in a sense. But freestyle really, for hip hop, it's off the top of their head though. Nah, but that started changing a lot too. Yeah, that changed.

Starting point is 01:43:24 Yeah, that changed. Yeah, all right. But anyway, so Khalid, he's that bare bounty killer, bare means a lot. So he's that bare bounty. And them days- At the height of bounty. At the height of bounty. And them days, you couldn't even,

Starting point is 01:43:37 to have a bounty, you had to have money and the relationship. You couldn't just have the money. Like, this is bounty. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yes, and Khalid had bare bounty doves. And I remember, even on cassette tapes, I used to listen, and Khalid, he'll be, he'll, like, come on after Renaissance.

Starting point is 01:43:56 After Renaissance has fucked it up, like, mashed up the whole dance. Khalid's coming on, and he's American. So, like, because he wasn't Jamaican, they used to boo him. Like boo, boo, American world at throw bottles. And Khalid was still playing music, still lacing bare dubs, until he gets the respect. Animated too.

Starting point is 01:44:17 Until he gets the respect. Man of friend, bottles, these are bottles, glass. This is Jamaica, bare machines, you know what I mean? He's still running, and he's playing bounty killer dubs, what not everyone can play, you know what I'm saying? Why, because bounty killer had beef at the time? No, because I'm saying you had to eat. It's hard to get.

Starting point is 01:44:34 Yeah, it's hard to get, like it's exclusive. That's like Jay-Z at the time, like... Yeah, like yeah, exactly. You can't just get a Jay-Z, even if you had all the money in the world, you couldn't get a Jay-Z, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so, and that's Khalid had the bounties and better other stuff as well, yeah, yeah. And he used to play until they stopped booing him,

Starting point is 01:44:54 stopped throwing balls and cheering him. Like, and he would have like, he used to make like, like hip hop kind of beats like that. Who run it? Who run it? Like, so Khalid like, and so even in that picture, Khalid is actually in the middle of this picture, historically, like, Boudre-Banan, Bounty, Khalid,

Starting point is 01:45:17 then Carter, well, maybe Carter, because he used to like write for Kit, but Khalid is in the middle, like, and then Mavardo, you know what I'm saying? So Khaled, yeah, he's a good, like. He definitely earned his chops. 100%. And it was through dance hall, like.

Starting point is 01:45:29 100%. And you know the thing is, a lot of people won't understand that route because in Miami, but really in hip hop in a lot of the United States, a lot of the DJs, they was dealing, you had to be versed, well versed in dance hall if you was playing hip hop as well.

Starting point is 01:45:46 Because back in the day, a lot of the dance hall parties were where we got to hear hip hop. Okay, is it? Yeah, yeah. Definitely in Miami for sure. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:45:57 And then that's how you- So what, there was that bare yard man here then times? 100%, 100%. So like me, like my first gig that I got as a DJ, I'm this Cuban kid, was me having 45 straight from Jamaica. So you're Cuban? Yeah, playing a dancehall set to get my first DJ gig.

Starting point is 01:46:12 That's how I got my first DJ gig because I had a mean dancehall set. Yeah, yeah, that's sick, that's sick. So yeah, Khaled, he killed it back then. Jazzy should have been in that picture though, big up Jazzy. That man there is in the center of that. I mean, Renaissance is legendary.

Starting point is 01:46:26 Renaissance, bro. Legendary. Even like when I first, I remember when I first like got money and clout. I remember one time we was having like, so we was having like big parties in London, yeah. So it was like me and Drake, yeah. So me and Drake, I was, we was doing wireless, yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:44 So like, it was like, Khaled was actually meant to do wireless. By that time, he didn't really like the plane thing. Oh yeah. Yeah? So I took Khaled's slot, then I brought out Drake as a surprise after, you get me? Yeah? Wow, that's cool, yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:00 Then we were, so we was having big parties in London. This is the mad thing, Like, this is gigs Drake. Like, we just mashed up wireless. Like, you get me? So I was saying to Drake, yo, I'm gonna have the mad party after Drake saying, what, I'm gonna have the madder party. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:16 So I was saying, all right. So now we're having like a party war kind of thing. You get me? Yeah. So I said, yeah, how can I have the maddest party? You get me? So then I've hit up, I said, do you know what, yeah? So I said, yeah, how can I have the maddest party, you get me? So then I've hit up, I said, you know what, I've got money now, I've got contacts, I'm getting Renaissance, you get me? Right.

Starting point is 01:47:33 So I've hit up, like, I got the link for Jazzy's people, and then I've hit up Jazzy's people to get Renaissance down there, you get me? This is mad for me, this is Renaissance, bro. Like, you see me, I love people, I'm dancehall first down there, you get me? This is mad for me, this is Renaissance, bro. Like, you see me, I love hip-hop, I'm dancehall first, like, you get me? And this is Renaissance, like, you get me? This is the same thing, like, man's bringing hove over to perform, you get me?

Starting point is 01:47:56 So then I blink with Renaissance now, and I said to Drizzy, man's got Renaissance. Then man was like, oh shit. Then I must have invited like me and my bros in about three, 400 things like baddies, you get me? Got some big venue, Renaissance, big, y'all. I had like every bad man in London was there, and most of the artists from UK as well.

Starting point is 01:48:29 And there was Bear, like big American artist. I remember like, and then man made Jazzy come down, he fucked it up fam, you get me? And I remember all the OVO man, them kept saying, yo, what time's Renaissance? What time's Renaissance? You know what I'm saying? But that's the OG.

Starting point is 01:48:47 Makes sense. Yeah. Hey, man. Hey, man. Man in black, let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. So I won that Drake thing.

Starting point is 01:48:57 You won the Drake battle. A fool so won that. His nose. All right. I won that. I feel like he's going to watch this and say something about it. Never.

Starting point is 01:49:09 No, he might say, I agree. Well, OK, OK. You know what I mean? Can I get some paper? Yeah. Now I got one, I got one, I got one. And now do you roll with Fanta in your shit, or no Fanta? The grabber.

Starting point is 01:49:24 Grabber. That's a New York thing, though. What, shit or no Fanta? The Grabba. Grabba, yeah. That's Fanta's cousin. That's a New York thing though. What, Grabba or Fanta? The Grabba. So before I came here, in UK we were always cigarette. Okay, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:49:34 Yeah, I was fucked up. So we were always cigarette. So then one time I didn't have cigarettes for a while. You get what I mean? Then someone, so I said, oh fuck it, let me use this Grabba shit. And then I was using Grabba for a while, you get me? Then someone, so I said, oh, fuck it, let me use this Grabber shit. And then I was using Grabber for a few days. Then I thought, oh, cigarette, I need some cigarettes.

Starting point is 01:49:51 I went back, get the cigarette, it was nasty. I was like, this is nasty. Because the cigarettes from America. No, it's just like, the Grabber would just taste nice. Okay, all right. So I just threw the cigarette away and I'm like, yeah, I'm Grabber now. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:50:04 You know what I mean? Like, you see, like me, I'm grabbing now, you know what I'm saying? Like, you see like me, I'm the original street nigga who made it, yeah? In London, yeah? So like me being here, all the niggas are like, how'd you get there? What, let me get that lawyer. All the niggas, everywhere I go, niggas who I don't get along with are coming.

Starting point is 01:50:22 Yeah, what you saying about that lawyer? Like, I'm telling you, bro. Man wanna get over here, like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I know this is an unfair question. And then, man who even get over here, yeah, they're getting married and shit. Actually, I'm talking too much. Oh.

Starting point is 01:50:39 Let me stop, let me stop. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking too. Yeah. See, yeah, yeah, I'm too good to you. Yeah. See, this is what I did. This is this stuff. Yeah. It's a couple Miami chicks there to set them niggas.

Starting point is 01:50:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just get them Miami. Let me know fuck up the bag. Let me go to America and get them team. Right, right. Write a booby trap. Just go write the booby trap. All right, straight to the booby trap.

Starting point is 01:51:01 They'll make a deal. Make sure she's got this shit too, little buddy. She might be losing it. They'll be bald-pocked on your ass. They'll make a deal. Make sure she's got his shit feelin', buddy. She might be losing it. They'll be ballpark on your ass. They'll remember the price is right. You know what I'm saying? You look at the baddies, though. It's mad over here.

Starting point is 01:51:15 The Dominicans, Puerto Rico, I'm getting mad over here. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Cubans, I had once, no, I had, let me not talk about it like that. One time I was linking a Cuban and Jamaican. Like what kind of mix is that? That's mad. She's angry though.

Starting point is 01:51:34 Cubans, she's definitely angry. Yeah, yeah, out of nowhere. There was one woman a Cuban and Jamaican. She's an angry person. One, one, one. I thought you had two. Nah, nah, I can mix it. I can mix it. I ain't, I ain't even seen that mix.

Starting point is 01:51:47 I ain't seen that mix. Okay, you said together as one woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, together. Okay, hold on. She's angry, she can look good. I thought you had two. She make great love. He said together as one woman.

Starting point is 01:51:57 Yeah, no, because what I meant was, I thought you meant two different women. One is Cuban and one is Jamaican. I'm like, okay, that sounds like a great night for you. You know what I'm saying? But you saying like one, one girl. He thought it was a sound clash. Oh no.

Starting point is 01:52:14 The mix is here. Even Belizean, I've never met a Belizean singer. That's a mutt. Oh hey. Let's go see Sean. Belizean. Let's go see Sean. Oh, I heard you say something different, bro. Go see Sean. Go see Sean. I thought you would say,. I heard you say something different, bro.

Starting point is 01:52:26 Go see shine. I thought you would say, go see shine. No, no, no. I was like, what? Go see shine. We got to interview shine in Belize. So the man that really want to get over here. Yes.

Starting point is 01:52:36 So then, do you, cause like all the Jamaicans have their visas right now, right? What do you mean? Like old vibes, my bottle. Oh, they're getting it. Is that's what it's about? Like you have to have a visa to come here? Yeah, you got to get a visa. Like if you got a criminal record,

Starting point is 01:52:57 like if you haven't got a criminal record, you can get an S-stop. What's that? It's just like, it's just easy to get in the country because you're not a criminal. You don't like, you know what I'm saying? You're not a threat or anything. Right. Right.

Starting point is 01:53:12 Just Esther. You just do that. Like if I'm coming with my kids, I've got my visa. I do my kids esters. I never heard that. Yeah, that's what we got. So you got esters, but the criminals, who is most of the man them, need a visa. And it's a temporary visa.

Starting point is 01:53:28 Yeah, like you'll get a year, two years, three years. But like there's different visas, it's working visa. Even coming over here, I've met people with different visas, like there's another guy who's got like a property visa. He does property out here. So he's got a visa. you know what I'm saying? So yeah, school, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, it's different visas.

Starting point is 01:53:52 But that's like, them man ain't gonna be criminals though. The criminal ting, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Whatever visa, Bob's cartel got, he's never going back. He got that good visa. He got that visa that comes with an American Express. He's rubbing it in. He's like, dude, yeah, man, Miami, Vegas, Aruba.

Starting point is 01:54:18 But think about it, he's helping the economy in everywhere he goes. Everywhere he goes, Vibes Cartel. Technically, Vibes, he probably already had a visa, ain't it, from before? And then he went to jail. Oh, yeah, they revoked it then. Then he was innocent, so really, he

Starting point is 01:54:34 should have his visa. That's right. Oh. He never done anything. It's different for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give him his visa back. That's true.

Starting point is 01:54:42 He got the proper visa. He got the proper visa Yeah, he got the proper V as he deserves that motherfucker been everywhere and He's been posting it to now. He killing the game like a Y in that niggas been like I'm like, holy shit Bob's is living his mother flipping life. Well, let's make some noise for Vezes and Bob. Yeah. Vezes and Vives. Vezes and Vives. Vezes and Vives.

Starting point is 01:55:13 Vezes and Vives. Vezes and Vives. Vezes and Vives. Holy shit. So if it's anything you would take back, what would you do? Take back. Take back, like in the game,

Starting point is 01:55:24 like that you regret, regretted doing. No, no, no regrets. Nothing? No, I'm me. Okay. You can't, you know what I mean? Everything you go for is for a reason.

Starting point is 01:55:34 Right. That's what creates you, you know what I mean? So yeah, definitely not. Y'all seen the, I was watching a podcast on YouTube that I watched, my homie Justin Hunt, AKA The Company Man, they was talking about Skepta, that he's throwing shots at, trying to do like, like a battle with American artists.

Starting point is 01:55:55 You seen that? Oh, like how Joey Badass did? Yeah, I see that, yeah. In a way that Joey Badass challenged, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's not like, No, it's not beef, it's not beef. It's not beef, it's just battle.

Starting point is 01:56:04 What do you think about that? Look at him. For me, that's not really for me or that not like, it's not beef. It's not beef. It's just battle. What do you think about that? For me, that's not really for me, all that like, this and stuff like, I'm not really, I'm too emotional for all that. Yeah, it's not for everybody. Yeah, I can't like, keep me out of all that. Like I think Joyner Lucas jumped in on it. Wait, I haven't heard of this.

Starting point is 01:56:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Justin Hunt in on it. Wait. I haven't heard of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Justin Hunt who covered it. Like he's like Rob Markman. Okay. And so, yeah, it's just funny because there's a whole thing. It's supposed to be like they're labeling it as US against UK.

Starting point is 01:56:37 Yeah. Like you see, like me personally, yeah. I know you said you feel like you're too emotional for the game. No, no, like me personally, yeah. I don't like Like I've got American Bridgins Canadian Jamaican Bajan

Starting point is 01:56:52 Guyanese like Trinidadian Bridges like I look at us as one thing You know saying that so even in music like I look at myself as one of the best anyway. I don't need to be like, oh yeah, I need to go against US. You know what I'm saying? I'm on the same level anyway. I don't need to separate things. Do you know what I'm saying? It's all one thing.

Starting point is 01:57:19 You don't need to say yeah, us versus them. You know what I mean? I think we've got cold UK rapper, we got cold US rappers, we've got shit UK rap, shit US, like you know what I'm saying? I agree. You know what I mean? It's like the separating and like, oh yeah, us versus that.

Starting point is 01:57:37 I don't really, you know what I mean? I mean, there is a place for healthy competition too though. Yeah, but I don't think like needs to be us versus them though. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like put that way. Yeah, cause it's supposed to be just looking at yourself as the greatest of all time.

Starting point is 01:57:58 Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like you see when I see, I don't know, for example, You see, like, when I see, like, I don't know, for example, like, if I see, like, like, Nicki Minaj, like, yeah? Say, like, I don't know, like, no disrespect to Nicki. She's cool and that.

Starting point is 01:58:14 But, like, if I see, like, like, when Nicki will be going at, like, Cardi or something, yeah? I don't think, like, Nicki,, like you're one of the greatest rappers. There's no need for it. No, no, no, there's no need. You're one of the greatest rappers. Like forget female. Like you're one of the best. Right. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to like,

Starting point is 01:58:38 because there's another female go up against this other female because you're one of the best. against this other female, because you're one of the best. You're like Kanye, you smoke Kanye songs, Drake songs, like fucking Chains, like them, even like, I don't know, say like, yeah, I love them strippers, like 2 Chainz and Nicki Minaj, yeah? Them time, Chains was smoking everything in his way. In it, like Chains, them times, boats time. Yeah?

Starting point is 01:59:06 And Nicki, smoke that song. Smoke that, that's one of my favorite Nicki verses. You're one of the greatest, like, so, I feel like when you're like, just putting yourself in the female category, it's just lowering your team. Like, you and yourself. Yeah, like, when you're one of the greatest of all time.

Starting point is 01:59:26 So I don't need to be like UK versus you to prove nothing to my, I know I'm one of the coldest. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that doesn't really involve me. Do you know what I mean? I see what you're saying. Yeah, but that's all cool for Skeppin,

Starting point is 01:59:40 that way he wants to do. Not saying that, but that's not really my shit, you know what I mean? That I'll watch it and be entertained, but I ain't like putting my thing, one of the greatest against it, you know what I mean? Now one of the records you got, it's with Diddy. Yeah. How did that come about?

Starting point is 02:00:04 That was, man, I remember he had the BET after party, after the show. Because obviously, you can have all the jokes and all of that. Yeah, yeah. That was after the party. You know that one there? But fam, like, bro, this is one of the best parties I've ever been to.

Starting point is 02:00:29 I'm being honest, bro. This party was mad, bro. I was inspired. You know what I'm saying? I went to the party. It was fucking, like, obviously, it's the source subjects in that part. I mean, I'm honest, bro.

Starting point is 02:00:38 This party was mad. This was LA. I've gone in. There's, like, the whole dance floor is like fucking, what's that show you lot used to have over here when people dance on the floor with the colors? Soul Train. The Soul Train floor. And the Soul Train floor with the colors, like, and I ain't seen that shit in real life.

Starting point is 02:00:58 You know, they're like, everyone who you can think of is there, bare bodies, food trucks with free food, drinks. You know what I'm saying? This party was mad. You know what I'm saying? Like even, remember I said I had the drinks, standoff party, right? I was thinking, I need to up my game. I need to up my game, like this party is mad. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:01:26 And then, um, this time, I didn't even know Puff then times. You get me? And then, um... Then, boom, I see Puff, he came, like, halfway through the party, I see him walking through him and Mary, and then I bumped into him, and then he's like, bro, what the fuck you doing there? Like, yeah, man been trying to get hold of you, still coming to London soon, you get me?

Starting point is 02:01:51 Yeah, and then we linked like that. And then when he was coming to London, he wanted to do a party. Obviously man does the best. So I said, bro, man should do a, it was wireless times again. So I said, bro, man should do a, it was wireless times again. So I said, bro, we should do our thing because I'm going to do a thing.

Starting point is 02:02:10 You're going to do your party. Like it's going to clash. You get me? We might as well bring it together and do the match. Then we had a party in a fucking football stadium. A football, what is it? A stadium or arena? I don't watch football.

Starting point is 02:02:24 So I said, shit, bro. I said, let's go. It's a big ass fucking place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, you know what was it? It's Stadham Arena. I don't watch football. So I sit in shit, but I just go. It's a big ass fucking place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Manning, like, you know what I mean? You get me? We had the big party and that. Everyone was there. Wow.

Starting point is 02:02:33 So like, even like, like if there's like jokes and that, everyone was at that party. We were shit in England. You know what I mean? That was the mad thing, like, you know what I'm saying? And then, yeah, then I made them, demand them. Andem and I said, yeah, I'd like them classic Diddy vocals. You know, I used to love Rick Ross.

Starting point is 02:02:56 And he said that on the intro. Remember Holy Ghost? Yeah. When he used to do the, I'm going in and all that. I said, yeah, I want you to do that on Man's Ting. And for me, that was legendary, fam. And he said on the intro, I'm in the ends right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that.

Starting point is 02:03:13 You know what I'm saying? So that record is hard. Yeah, that record is hard. For me, bro, that was the Man Ting, bro. I'm a fan of music, bro. You know what I'm saying? You get me? So you get me?

Starting point is 02:03:24 Even obviously, everyone makes the jokes, but for me, all the man number legends, you know what I'm saying? You get me? So, I don't want to see none of the legends. You can't take away the legends. Yeah, I don't want to see none of that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:03:42 Oh yeah, let's take that. And when all that stuff is happening, I see people saying, Hov's next, Jay-Z's next. I figure, fucking hell, what's he done now? You know what I'm saying? Why do we wanna get them guys help create man? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:03:58 All the way in England. I'm sitting here now, you know what I'm saying? Good in life. That's what all of you guys have done. All of you, you know what I'm saying? Good in life. Like, that's what all of you guys have done. Like, all of you. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I don't really, like... Like, people trying to take down our culture and then we're taking it down ourselves, it's sad.

Starting point is 02:04:15 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, cannibalizing it. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Who'd like better, Nas or Jim Jones? That's crazy. That's two different things. I know, I mean. Even like, there was Nas, I remember there was a time, like Nas is, that's Nas, remember him and Jay-Z?

Starting point is 02:04:39 Shoot em up, get em, work, work, work. Them days, and then like there was a time when I was in jail, oh free, and I used to just bear Jim Jones. Right. Like on my way to church. Yeah. Yeah, them times, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, I can't, that's, that was a joke, innit? Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, no,

Starting point is 02:04:58 because a lot of people gave me criticism because I was saying that I saw where Jim Jones was coming from. And what I meant by that is like, when you look at the young, young people, the people that that's looking under algorithms now, one million percent, I do see where he's coming from. Of course, overall. You see an argument. Yes. Like, yeah, of course. You know what I'm saying? Overall.

Starting point is 02:05:17 And by the way, just being put in that argument is fucking dope. Like, just think about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's like, that's like us, you know what I mean? That's like, that's like us, you know what I mean? That's like us being compared to us playing this fucking softball football and they comparing us to the Jets. Like, it's like, oh shit! Like, yo, we just got compared to the Jets

Starting point is 02:05:35 and then we're like a football team that doesn't even, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm trying to say. I think. Yeah, but at the same time, that's Jim's opinion. Yeah. That's it, really. Man are taking trying to say. Yeah, but at the same time, that's Jim's opinion. Yeah. That's it, really. Man are taking it too serious.

Starting point is 02:05:48 Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's working out. He's supposed to think he's the best. Like KISS said, you're supposed to. Every MC is supposed to think they're the best. Yeah. And to me, it's working out for Jim.

Starting point is 02:05:57 I believe Nas doesn't have to respond. No, Nas does not have to respond. He's good. But I believe the argument is dope. Remember, I'm from London, so for me, that's fucking Jim Jones and then that's fucking NOS. Right, right. That's two legends for me.

Starting point is 02:06:09 You hear me? When I'm around each of them, I think, fuck, that's the guys. So that stuff, I don't really. That's like internet stuff, isn't it? And this week, we just had Max B on Dream Champs, and he announced his date that he's actually coming home. It's this year. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:31 I'll speak to Max now and again, in a DM and that. Y'all gonna work on music? We done it, I was on his last album. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How'd you link with Max? He used to link with, so one of the SAS guys, one of the, because SAS, they used to have Eurogang,

Starting point is 02:06:50 isn't it? Yeah, that's right, Eurogang. And there was an artist on there, Hayes. OK. And he used to link with Max and that. And then he was like, Shout out to SAS. Yeah, yeah, for real, for real.

Starting point is 02:07:02 And then Hayes linked me with Max. And yeah, his last album, I wonder, we got a song on there. I can't remember the name. Superfly or something like that. Super gangsters. I nearly said fuck. No, you can say fuck. You can say fuck.

Starting point is 02:07:16 You can say cock, sucker, motherfucker. This guy said cock, sucker. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. You can do all that shit. Oh yeah. You got more blood, Maurice? No, let me ask you this though.

Starting point is 02:07:30 Yeah. So, drill and grind. This is all started in the UK, right? But some argue that drill is started in Chicago. What's your take on that? That's a great question. Yeah, I'll say the drill started in Chicago, what's your take on that? That's a great question. Yeah, I'll say the drill started in Chicago, but like the style of music. The beat.

Starting point is 02:07:53 Yeah, it started in London, but they was inspired by the Chicago drill. Do you know what I'm saying? So there is a direct. Wait, break that down? So like Chief Keef and all that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Dirk, all them and their...

Starting point is 02:08:07 The UK drill is inspired by that. Do you get me? Yeah. But then they made their own sound. Sonically. Yeah. The sonic that we hear now is from the UK. And then the New York drill is the same as that sound.

Starting point is 02:08:23 The New York drill is from London? Is it from London or New York Drill is... New York Drill that you hear like, I don't know, Big Truth like Fabio and all that. Right. That's London Drill. You know what I'm saying? And then, but now it's like kind of

Starting point is 02:08:38 evolved into like the kind of Jersey sound, innit? Like with the... Yeah, that kind of Jersey sound in it. Like with the, yeah, that kind of, what's it, what is it like 41, what are they called? Now I'm a relax, when are we fucking again? You call it sexy drill? You know what I'm talking about, what are they called?

Starting point is 02:08:59 42, 41? 41, yeah, like that's kind of like, it's kind of drill, but then it's kind of morphed into, you know what I'm saying? So now it's his own sound, because it's kind of Jersey, like, you know what I mean? So now they've made another sound. You get me?

Starting point is 02:09:18 So, do people in London feel like they're the ones who inspired here, or do they feel like they took something from Chicago? Like, how does that... The originators, like 6'7", like they're from London, like they're the origin... 6'7", I'll say like Section Boys, they would probably tell you like Chief Keef and that. Inspired them.

Starting point is 02:09:43 Chicago, you hear me? Like, the originators. Then they started a sound movement. we tell you like Chief Keefe and that. Inspired them. Chicago, you get me? But then they- Now they originate. But then they started a sound movement. And then you would get the younger ones, like I don't know, like Low Ski, and even like Central Sea,

Starting point is 02:09:55 who would have listened to 6'7", and you get me? You know what I'm saying? And Section, and did dating, you get me? Yeah. It's ill. And then what about'm saying? And section and did dating. You get me? Yeah. That's ill. And then what about grime? Grime is grime is like, so grime is, is, it's like when it's like one tempo music says 140 BPM. Say like, say like that

Starting point is 02:10:20 drill, that drill is probably like 130 128 BPM grime is 140 BPM and like they used to die so first it started with garage yeah drum and bass or any of that no no drum and bass was before that but it's all kind of in the same yeah yeah so yeah drum and bass right, and then that kind of turned into like, it was drum and bass kind of jungle. And then it fused the dancehall. And then it was like, that's kind of jungle. Because they had the dancehall and they're like, you know, that kind of tunes.

Starting point is 02:11:02 And then after that kind of came Garage. Well, Garage might have been the same time, don't quote me. You get me, like? And it was Garage. And then that's when the street niggas started spitting on Garage. So they're rhyming on that type of beat? Yeah, on Garage.

Starting point is 02:11:15 You know, like Garage, like... Yeah. You know, that one's like house. House and Garage. It's House and Garage. Yeah, house music. Yeah, House and Garage. Oh, Garage, yeah, yeah. Well, here we're saying Garage, it's House and Garage. Yeah, house music. Yeah, House and Garage. Oh, Garage, yeah.

Starting point is 02:11:27 Well, he was saying Garage, right? Yeah, Garage, yeah. Garage, Garage. Man, we say Garage, yeah. So, like, House and Garage, kinda, and their man used to spit on House and Garage, you get me? And then the street niggas started

Starting point is 02:11:43 making their own kind of beats, that tempo, the 140 tempo, and then it kind of fused into grime because it was more raw. Garage, House and Garage is like, you know, happy house. Danceable. Yeah, but man is spitting on it now, street niggas. You know what I'm saying? So then they start making their own beats

Starting point is 02:12:03 and it's darker. Yeah, exactly. And then that became Grime, but it wasn't called Grime for long. It was just, it didn't have a name. Man, we're just spitting on it. It's still kind of garage. And then man started calling it different names, Esky,

Starting point is 02:12:17 but like Grime, Stock. And then that's Grime. It's got a double name. Yeah, so that's Skepta, Wiley, Dizzy Rascal. Dizzy's Grime? Yeah, Dizzy Rascal is Grime, yeah. Really? Yeah, Dizzy was the coldest.

Starting point is 02:12:30 Dizzy was one of the people who made me want to spit. I saw him as straight hip hop shit. Nah, Dizzy was one of the coldest Grimes. To me, it's all hip hop though, at the end of the day. Yeah, I believe. Yeah, no, yeah. So, all right, so Grime now, Grime is a fusion of hip hop, garage, dancehall,

Starting point is 02:12:52 because the man them in London are Jamaican, African. But that's the beat. Yeah. But if you're spitting, to me, that is hip hop already. I guess, yeah. Unless you spin pass-off and then you go dance-off. It's true, but them man used to spit like, like, garage days, they used to spit like,

Starting point is 02:13:13 ah, da-da-da-da-da-da, check one, two, check two, check three. That's interesting. You know, that one's like, oh, we go up the street and do it. Like more chanting. Yeah, like, kinda, you know what I'm saying? Like, you hear me? Ah, diggity, diggity doh. They might not even saying anything.

Starting point is 02:13:28 We loving it, loving it, loving it. We loving it. That's Grime you're saying? That's Garage. Oh, cause the Grime shit was hardcore. Then Grime came and Dizzy, who changed the game, he used to be spitting cold, like, slip on your Rebot pumps,

Starting point is 02:13:43 Ross will make a water do star jumps. Like, you know what I'm saying? He would come, he would slip on your Reebok pumps, Ruff, will I make a water do star jumps? Like, you know what I'm saying? He would be on the hard team. That's when he needed the harder beats. Then it started fusing. Like more bass in the joint. More bass, raw, dirty, you know what I'm saying? Like hip hop.

Starting point is 02:13:59 So, but these times, man listens to dancehall as well. So it's got a touch of dance hall in there. And it's, you get me. But man's listen to rap music. So when man's spitting, you know what I'm saying? And then there was grime. Then, but the grime thing, that there was, they weren't really gang bangers in grime.

Starting point is 02:14:22 Do you know what I'm saying? Like it was more like, there was couple, but it's more like, like good kids kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? Like- Kids that might shoot you, baby. Yeah, cause they're from the streets,

Starting point is 02:14:35 but they're not that, like, they might be the good kids who focus on music. Them times, music wasn't cool. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? If you're a street nigga, music's not cool. If you're doing grime, oh that's them grime niggas. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:14:51 You know what I'm saying? If you're doing grime, if a man like me, I started fucking with grime before it was called grime, and it would be like, yeah, so what, I'm doing grime. Like, you know what I'm saying, man? You have to, yeah, so what, I'm making this grime. You get me? And then I went to jail, and then niggas are rapping in jail.

Starting point is 02:15:10 UK niggas weren't really rapping then, like street niggas, you get me? So then niggas in jail were rapping, and my grime songs are sounding kind of nerdy. Like, I was like, I used to hide my grime songs like, yeah, don't worry about that one. Then I started rapping. I said, yeah, man, I'm doing this rap, too, man.

Starting point is 02:15:30 Fuck this grime shit, you know what I'm saying? Then there was me, and then there's all the underground rappers as well, because it was rapping time. And that was the street niggas. That's when it was crazy in the streets. Niggas started rapping English accents. Niggas busting shots on fucking DVDs and shit. We had a DVD era.

Starting point is 02:15:53 Because that's what we got that from you lot. From like Smack. Man, don't blame us, man. No, we got it from you. Smack, the come up. No, I know, I know. Blame us, but don't blame us. It's a bad influence, bro. Smack, look at the name. You know what I know. Blackmas, but don't blackmas. It's a bad influence, bro. I know, that's what I'm saying. It's smack, look at the name. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:16:08 So then we had the DVDs, you know what I'm saying? And that was when UK skanks the street rap. You know what I mean? So then you still had grime, but it was grime over there, and then it was UK rap. So that's why even if, if I come to America and someone calls me grime, I mean, I ain't no grime artist, fam.

Starting point is 02:16:28 So you think that the grime artists would separate themselves from hip hop? Yeah, even like, so like, cause all of the, like Skepta, he's grime. Yeah, gigs, rap, but even though Skepta makes hip hop as well, me, I can make grime as well. Cause I started with that. Cause it's faster. I'm gonna spit fast, like, you even though Skepta makes hip hop as well, me, I can make grime as well, because I started with that. Because it's faster.

Starting point is 02:16:47 I'm going to spit fast, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, twister. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? I can do that as well. You get me? But yeah, Skepta, Kano, DZ Rascal, grime, Giggs, fucking, I don't know, Dave, hip hop. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know, Dave,

Starting point is 02:17:05 hip hop, like, do you know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know if Dave will call it so, yeah, cause he's raps, grime, he's probably hip hop. But anyway, it's separate, do you know what I'm saying? Like, yes. But what was the question you asked me just then? I won't even remember. Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 02:17:21 But I was just saying that all you guys are hip hop. Yeah, yeah, no, that's the... In my opinion. That's where it comes from. But even like me, my music here, because my times I think, where do I belong musically? Do you know what I mean? Because I'll make a song with like Popcorn,

Starting point is 02:17:38 like, and then I'll make a song with Dave East. Where do I belong? Do you know what I'm saying? Because that's a dance. So I'm not bringing Popcorn on hip hop rhythm. It's on a hard dance already. And I'm lacing it dance all star. But then I might lace a Dave East. But then I might lace a fucking young fuck. Like on a south thing. So raw, what's my music? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you get me? But like now I understand raw. Like I'm just my music is just UK like? You know what I'm saying? You get me? But now I understand Raw, like I'm just, my music's just UK.

Starting point is 02:18:09 You know what I'm saying? I can do whatever. Yeah, it's hip hop as well. But there's dancehall in there. And dancehall is the originator. So what is it really? Dancehall's hip hop. Dancehall, how?

Starting point is 02:18:23 No, I just threw that in there. Because they are the original rappers in a sense. Original rappers, yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. In a sense, in a sense I said. Think about it, Dancehall is just rapping in patois on a certain beat.

Starting point is 02:18:45 So, but that's the original though. So, and then hip hop comes off though. It depends on, okay, so now we gotta get real historic if we're gonna- No, no. We gotta go by years. Now we gotta go by years because reggae, turning into dancehall, we gotta go yearly. Y'all all around.

Starting point is 02:19:03 The 70s and we gotta go with Bob Marley changes to dance hall. Reggae, reggae. Yeah, we gotta, that's okay. I don't wanna go into that. Let me, let me, let me. But I just think it's all related to be honest with you. You know, I kept hearing other.

Starting point is 02:19:18 Yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. So that's why I was thinking, where do I belong though? It's just music. Like if you come- I think it's one family, man. If you came to like a gig show think it's one family, man. If you came to like a gig show, it's like dance or hip hop, like real hip hop.

Starting point is 02:19:31 Fucking some grime. You know what I'm saying? My ting's like one minute you're busting shots, next minute you're doing the grime ting, then you're dancing with the girl, I make tunes for the girl. Like it's all different flavors,, you know what I'm saying? You get me?

Starting point is 02:19:47 That's called hip hop. I think, and that's kind of where I agree. You say you brought it back. No, no, no, no, no, no. It really is. You're supposed to be everything. But here, because everything mixed together is hip hop. Because you might have like a-

Starting point is 02:20:01 Hip hop is the mix of everything. Like Boogie Bratton and Heavy D. I was like, I got lost up back then. But it was like hip-hop, but it was like dancehall. I know what you're saying. Let's think of Karras 1. He does a lot of dancehall, patois, and his hip-hop records.

Starting point is 02:20:19 Karras 1 would shoot you and tell you, Black Hat is coming around corners. That's still dancehall, Karr Cause that's me, I did dun dun digga dun digga dun. Don't tell any of us. That's dancehall. In it, in it. It's dancehall influence, but it's totally hip hop. It's totally hip hop.

Starting point is 02:20:35 I believe everything. That's what I'm saying, it's all interconnected. You see them days, in the, that's like 80s or something. We used to call that ragga hip hop. So remember, remember we had ragga. That's like remember the Bush babies? You remember that group? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:49 Like they were ill and they was teetering between reggae and hip hop, but it was hip hop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Then we would say ragga hip hop. Them days, like, you know what I'm saying? Bush babies of borns. Borns Americans, borns Americans as well, yeah.

Starting point is 02:21:06 I mean, to me, look, it's all the... It's one big family of music. Food Snickers and all that. Food Snickers off the chain. Yeah. I met one of the Food Snickers at your party. That was mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:21:16 Yo, the Food Snickers were the Ellis. Yeah, they were cool. The Ellis. That album, fam. 20 pounds. The Ellis, man. 20 pounds, I remember that. What is that in USD?

Starting point is 02:21:28 Probably like 25 dollars. That's a lot for... The first time I went to London, I gave the man a thousand dollars to like convert the thing. He gave me back 478. Half? Our money used to be half. He gave you half? Let me not get political.

Starting point is 02:21:45 Brexit? Let me not get political. Why you can't talk about this? Because my visa, I love it here. No, man, no, man. I don't want to fuck you up. I don't want to hear you like that. No, but I'm not going to lie.

Starting point is 02:21:56 This is the first time in my life when they said Brexit, I said, what is Brexit? You thought it was breakfast and somebody's crib. No, these niggas said a part of them want to not be a part of them no more, but still be a part of them. I was like, that's hard. Like, that's hard.

Starting point is 02:22:09 Like, they left. They left, but they got one leg in. They still got one leg in. That's kind of hard. That's like the Bronx saying, I don't want to be a part of New York City, but I still want to stay. That's hard. Like, that's hard.

Starting point is 02:22:24 Just think about the logic. No, it's not like the Bronx. That's like, um, it's like Texas. It's like, what can I say? It's like, it's like Puerto Rico. Okay. And America's saying, yeah, I don't want to be part of you lot no more. It's kind of more like that because Puerto Rico is this old thing, but it's still kind of under America, isn't it? So who would be Puerto Rico in this analogy? Puerto Rico is this other thing but it's still kind of under America, isn't it? So who would be Puerto Rico in this analogy? Puerto Rico might be in Europe and UK. Is America? That's a big mass. No, no, no, I feel like it's Texas. That's what Brexit is. We separated from Europe. But isn't Europe bigger? So Europe's like, Europe would be America. So our passport, like my passport. Let me show you. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:06 So this passport now, yeah. This is the old passport. So this is, this says, this says EU and UK. Yeah, you can travel easily. That's EU and UK. You remember this passport, innit? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:14 No, he can't. He's American, bro. Okay. So now the passport after Brexit, ain't it? Yeah. Yeah. No, he can't. He's American, bro. OK, so now the passport after Brexit, the passport is just UK. OK. And it's black. It's not even pink.

Starting point is 02:23:31 So I've got the old school jacket. You got a black passport? Yeah. That's some hard shit. I ain't never seen a black passport. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on, I need that for my Louis Vuitton shit.

Starting point is 02:23:41 Let's do that. You need the password just for your passion. I'm about to join Brexit. I'm playing, where's that shit go? Okay guys, so, whoa. Yeah, shit got politically. In correct? You like to take a shot for changing the subject? Let's take a shot for changing the subject.

Starting point is 02:23:59 Let's take a shot, because this has got two politicals. Yeah, I'm thinking about my fucking book. Yeah, you got a book? Who you signed to? She fills my page, she from the Netherlands. Okay, yeah. I never knew that.

Starting point is 02:24:12 Never the fuck up my thing. No. It's a get out music. That Saki thing is nice. It's nice, right? And I'm good. You know why you still alert? You still all, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, it's like a vibe though. Yeah Saki thing's nice. It's nice, right? And I'm good. You know, you're still alert. You're still out.

Starting point is 02:24:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like a bottle though. Yeah, it's a bottle. But what is that? I need the, I need the, I need the bottle. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You actually get a little bit more sober.

Starting point is 02:24:35 Yeah, I like it, I like it. And I like this as well. That's so cool, is that? Yeah. He's out of control. Mamawana. Mamawana. This is my thing.

Starting point is 02:24:43 See, that's- King as well. Mamawana King. That's Mamawana King right there. That's my thing. See, I'm going to Maya Ting. See that's... King as well. Mamawana King. That's Mamawana King right there. That's Maya Ting. See I'm going to be honest, I don't recommend that at all. I fuck with it.

Starting point is 02:24:51 Listen man, don't listen to this guy bro. I heard they made that. This is for me. This is Maya Ting. It's good, it's good. Like me, if I link to Ting, I got Mazubi, my Mamawana King. Listen, and this guy, look at him, go ahead, go, go bash Mamawana King, go for it. No, not Mamawana King. I'm just saying, this is how I hear Mamaw guy, look at him. Go ahead, go. Go bash Mama Juana King. Go for it. Not Mama Juana King.

Starting point is 02:25:06 I'm just saying, this is how I hear, Mama Juana is made. It's not made the way he's saying it. Go ahead, go ahead. In the tub in Kendall, where people just. The guy doesn't even live in Kendall, bro. All right, let's not say this on the show. No, no, he says it all the time. He says it all the time.

Starting point is 02:25:19 He says it all the time. I'm saying you put it in the bath and step on it all the time. No, a couple of dudes with dirty feet That's how wine is made I give you once this guy doesn't have to step on this Listen, I'll give you one story. I'll give you one story make a poem. We you stepped on grapes together holding hands Me and Capone, we all. You stepped on grapes together? No, no, no. Holding hands. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, land, you know. Like, you know, like this is, this is,

Starting point is 02:26:07 this is where they at. So we check into the hotel. As soon as we check into the hotel, they take our passports. And I mean, they literally take our passports as we check in, like they take them. So we're like all sitting around and we know, we ordered these bottles of wine.

Starting point is 02:26:23 We're like, they're like, you know, just we'll be a couple of minutes. So we ordered these bottles of wine. We were like, we'll be a couple of minutes. So we ordered these bottles of wine. I'm telling you, it must've been like six hours. We drank everything. Every bottle of wine that they had, we drank them. So hours later, they take so long with our passports, but we're so drunk, we don't care.

Starting point is 02:26:42 They give us back our passports. We take them. We ask for the bill, cause they say, then they tell us we had to clear y'all through the FBI. We're like, holy shit. This was some abnormal shit, but we already fucked up. We just like, let's just roll with it, right? So we go upstairs, we do the show.

Starting point is 02:27:06 The next day, we go upstairs, we do the show, the next day, we realize like, yo, how much was that bill in American money? Like we must've drank 40 bottles, right? But our bill was like $140. So we're like, something about this might not be right. This is cheaper out there. I wake up in the morning, something about this might not be right. This is cheaper out there. I wake up in the morning, it's this guy, it's one guy just making the wine by himself.

Starting point is 02:27:30 Come on, guy. You know, you can't make wine that fast. You can't ferment them. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, this is how they did it. It's the reason why they wine was so cheap. This guy. Because they had one guy.

Starting point is 02:27:44 All right, you know, I'm not Captain Cat. You saw I had a Lucy, man. Well, you're talking Capone can tell the story. E.T. L.P. can tell the story. Call Capone. Capone right now. Absolutely not. Because it's not you.

Starting point is 02:27:58 You saw the guy literally from your own eyes stepping in the. Absolutely. Absolutely. 1 million percent, man. Almost girl. But that juice takes percent, like, almost girl. But that juice takes a long time to become wine. No, no, I'm not saying the shit that he was just stepping on

Starting point is 02:28:10 at that moment became what we just... But eventually, that's exactly it. You saw the guy stepping on the green. I saw it, yes. Yes. Like, he did not look... Like, ending up, like, not from the feet. Now, let me just tell you, let me just tell you the reason why I noticed him.

Starting point is 02:28:23 He didn't look clean. He looked like the guy that pumps gas because what you got to realize in Palermo is a very poor place. Palermo, so outside of these little like, like, resorts or whatever, like you see, I went there recently and I seen Africans pumping gas. But back then, you you see this, I went there recently and I seen Africans pumping gas.

Starting point is 02:28:46 But back then you seen just poor Italians just there pumping gas and you sitting there you like, you want to watch him. You don't even want to go in there and get no cheez-its. You know what I'm saying? Like you like looking at this guy, like this guy pumping gas. Like it was rough, but I didn't know.

Starting point is 02:29:02 I thought all of Italy was beautiful. I didn't know Palermo. This is where the mafia is fucking born at. I didn't know. I thought all of Italy was beautiful. I didn't know Palermo. This is where the mafia's fucking born at. I didn't know that shit. So, yeah. We got drunk as hell, woke up in the morning, and I seen one man, stomping on grapes. And-

Starting point is 02:29:19 Well, you know when a firm man said, kills all the germs, this is why. You think I thought like that at that very moment? I'm thinking like, this guy, I know he didn't wash his feet. He made it tasteful. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Gags. And every time I see Mama Wana, that's what I think of. I think of-

Starting point is 02:29:39 Fair enough, fair play. No, bro, don't say fair enough. This guy doesn't even know this guy. No, I don't know, but I just know my Moana's not made correctly. It is? Listen, bro. Oh, my God. This guy goes in on his Mama Wana shit.

Starting point is 02:29:54 Listen, bro, he goes in on his Mama Wana. He doesn't know anything about Mama Wana. He just goes in on him. I just never said I did, but I just feel like that's what you think of when you see Mama Wana. When I see Mama Juana, I think of a guy on top. I hear that, though. I hear that.

Starting point is 02:30:08 The guy puts herbs in the ground. Remember, he drank the real feet juice. Oh, that's his feet juice. I'm sure even if it wasn't the immediate feet juice, even if it wasn't that thing, he's traumatized. Even me, I ain't drinking the mama wanna after that. All right, cool. Well, that's the gig.

Starting point is 02:30:28 The mama wanna guy calls me up. He's like, yo, Norrie's dissing the fuck out of me. I said, my man, do a video now promoting it the way he said it. You gotta got sexy girls in the bathtub making the mama wanna He's like I don't make it like that. I don't even live in Kendall. The guy's like in Fort Lauderdale, bro.

Starting point is 02:31:09 I'm so sorry. I'm playing around when I'm saying, but in my mind, that's the way it's made. Like, that's in my mind. Like, yeah. I mean, moonshine is made in the bathtub. Real talk, but this is not moonshine. Yeah, this is Dominican moonshine. Huh?

Starting point is 02:31:22 Is it made with roots? Yeah, it's roots. It's roots, and then you add the alcohol after the fact. After it comes out. Yeah. We got two more shots left. I just want to salute you. Give you your flowers, face to face, man to man.

Starting point is 02:31:36 Yeah, nice. Yo, the things that you did is remarkable. The things that you're doing is remarkable. Things that you continue to be a part of. Salud. Fuck, this might be the one that does it. Mm-mm. I believe you got one more, so don't let it do it.

Starting point is 02:31:49 They don't let it win. So, but. Don't let them win. Don't let them win. Whoever them is, don't let them win. Don't let them win. The people that Khaled talk about. You see that last gulp, you know, that's the real thing.

Starting point is 02:32:00 You know, when you turn the long gum. Nah, man. I said, Dream Chaps, we proud of you, man. We want to salute you, we want to, you know, when you take it long go. Nah, man. I said, Dream Champs, we proud of you, man. We want to salute you. We want to let you know the things that you did and doing is remarkable, man. Like, for a person for your story, like, you know, being locked up abroad and being able to be a,

Starting point is 02:32:23 demand them there and then come home and dominate America, do tours, have records with every reputable artist. International star. Like that's a true international star. And I just personally wanna salute you personally. You know, obviously, I'm not saying personally, I'm saying the whole camp, you drink champs, but you know, what you did is not normal, man.

Starting point is 02:32:44 And you know what I mean? That's what it is about our show is wes but you know what you do it what you did is not normal man and you know what i mean um that's what it is about our show is we want to let you know the dope shit that you you do it and you're doing and um that shit is that shit is unheard of you don't go down in the history books so until those history books is wrote, we're gonna drink for you here. And we're gonna salute you here. Because you deserve these props. Salute. That better not be empty. That looks a little empty, I can tell.

Starting point is 02:33:14 That's fine. Salute or something. Something in there. Hey! Let's take a look at the picture. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production, host and executive producers, NORE and DJEFN. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcast,

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Drink Champs - Episode 462 w/ Giggs

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