Drink Champs - Episode 464 w/ G. Dep

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, G. Dep! Harlem’s own G. Dep — a true talent whose story is as compelling as his music. Known for his raw lyricism and unforgettable contributions to Bad Boy Records, G. Dep opens up in a rare, emotional, and revealing interview that covers his rise in the rap game, his battles with addiction, and the life-changing decisions. With his signature calm intensity, Dep reflects on his time working under Diddy, the creation of his classic Child of the Ghetto album, and the highs and lows of fame in early 2000s New York. He speaks candidly about the personal demons that haunted him, his time incarcerated, and how those years shaped the man he is today. This episode isn’t just about hip hop history — it’s about truth, consequences, and the courage to face both. Whether you know G. Dep from his hits or his headlines, this is one of the most raw and human episodes in Drink Champs history. Make some noise for G. Dep! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up is DJ EFN. And this middle of the crazy world podcast. Make some nice! And when we talk about legends, we talk about classics, when we talk about this man has done one of the most... I don't know, we're going to speak about everything. But he's been down. Yo, his album right now is fire.

Like, I ain't a lot. Listen to this shit, I'm very impressed. Thank you, my brother. People don't take that time, that type of time off and still come home and fresh. But in case you don't know what we talk about, we talk about the one. Only G. Jazz, the building! Peace stage.

I'll be honest. The album's really, really good, bro. You got two albums, right? You dropped one. Lessons, what is it? Yeah, Lessons, never losses, and stay ready. Okay. Let's get into lessons and level losses, right?

That's a big, big statement, right? Copy. And most people, they do, I mean, you know, it's losses in life, of course. But what this statement is saying, why are you saying that is like everything if it's a lesson if it's a lesson learning at loss then it's not a loss

right okay so how did you come up with that I mean it was just one of the things like like from just the experience of being locked up like you know what I'm saying it was like yo you know what I first of all I got my degree

when I was in there you know what I'm saying you know I learned a lot about myself you know what I mean so it was kind of fitting when I came out and it was like yo what would you name the album It was like, yo, it just happened like that. And it was like, yeah, that's exactly how my life been headed, you know what I mean? And you did this independent?

Yeah. Okay. You got samples on there, though. I appreciate, yeah. You got samples on there, though. Yeah. You're going on the road, no. You're on the road right now.

Hell yeah. So, again, like, I'm going to listen to this album. And, like, it's like when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, came home like I felt like he lost a step like I feel like I feel like that takes away from you not being

being able to touch the world but I'm listening and I can't see that with you like I see you like nah I'm dead serious I'm sitting here like I'm at all like I'm sitting here listening to both albums

and I'm like yo so how what was you you was rhyme in the can you can happen yeah I ain't a lot I definitely was like it wasn't really no point that I could say I stop, you know what I mean? Like, you know, let you know how creative, you know, things don't flow sometimes.

But for the most part, like, I always kept out of it, you know what I mean? Now, was you laying music down in the can, too? Was you making music in there? Because now everybody got a studio. Yeah, that's the fact. I don't know how they do it. You know what I did? I was like, I dropped the whole movie from jail.

I'm like, yo, I don't really, but, you know, I definitely did. I actually did lay something down over the phone, you know, It was kind of makeshift, but, you know, dudes made it happen. It was like, you know, you record it. And then, like, you know, dudes that go back and, you know, kind of chop everything up. You know what I'm saying? So we did record some stuff. So I was kind of like, when I came home, I was kind of in the record mode.

You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. And so did you have to, like, practice records, or you went straight in and went straight, straight to the booth? You came home? Yeah, nah. I kind of was, like, already kind of seasoned. Like, we had just did an album.

We did an album in 2003, right, like, right before I came home, a joint called Influential. Okay. From there, you know what I mean? Yeah, from, you know what I'm saying? And so when I came home, I was kind of, like, like, right with it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so that was kind of how it was, like, kind of easy transition in the way, you know?

Because obviously when you came, you went away, it was on the hottest record label, like, arguably on the planet. I mean, was it, was it hard to come home and transition into this independent thing? No, I mean, not really, I mean, I had some good production, you know what I mean, shout to the Lean Brothers, you know what I'm saying, cover one in the boys, man. They definitely helped help the process because, you know, I was, like you said, I was used to a certain thing, you know, as far as music. But, like, before I went in, I mean, yeah, actually, before I went in, I was kind of already kind of, like, going, you know, doing the independent thing. Like, you know what I was going through. Right.

And, you know, with the drugs and all of that. So it wasn't really like I was doing the thing with bad boy like that at the time anyway. So I kind of knew what that independent life was like, you know what I'm saying? Somebody told me that you had a slight drug problem, but I've never, I've never seen that. Oh. So was that you hiding it or? You're overthinking it. Yeah, not, I mean, you know, I definitely, I definitely was what you call, like, a functional

acting kind of, dude. I always kind of knew that I had to do things. I had, I had children. Right. So, you know, I always, you know, try to support myself type of thing, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, but, you know, I did, I did have a drug issue, you know what I mean? I got to admit that, you know? You had it when you went in?

Did you have to kick it inside? Yeah, yeah. I definitely was, you know, still on drugs, you know what I'm saying? When I went in, you know what I mean? I was, you know, messing with that dust and all of that, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I said? So when I went in, it was kind of like, you know, it ain't no more dust around.

You know what I mean? You're like, yeah, so here we go. You know what I mean? So, you know, and then it was one of them things where I kind of, you know, it was like, all right, well, you know, what are you getting so high for? now, you know what I mean? So gradually, you know, I kind of just, kind of just stepped away from a lot of that stuff, you know what I mean? And I'd imagine that the music was kind of, because you said you continued writing and trying to make music, it must have been therapeutic too

to help with the type. Hell yeah. I mean, it wasn't like I was actually writing about anything, but it's just the energy that, you know, that I had to exude to kind of do that stuff. It was therapeutic for sure, hell yeah. I'm going to tell you something. I'm not sure if you know. I go on black. Twitter, right? Black Twitter is the most negative place on the planet, right? It's Twitter.

I just, I go to the nigger section, right? I go to there. I'll give it to ask you, like, they got a black Twitter. The first day I seen black Twitter, like, be positive was the day you came home. That was the only time I didn't see people like, so I'm looking for the hate.

I'm looking for somebody like, fuck this guy. And I was like, the first time. So, so I want to ask you, do you feel the love from the streets? Because the streets fuck with you. Like, they were genuinely happy You came home, like I ain't gonna lie

Okay, I'm listening You felt that? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie Like, like, like Honestly, I was, you know, I'm surprised as well Like, you know, like you said, I'm looking for it like then

Yeah, you know, but you know Brothers, I think, I think, you know It hit like a spiritual vein in a lot of people You know what I'm saying And dudes just related They didn't relate when I first did it though Right

When I first turned myself in It was crazy They were like, like, what? You know what I mean? So, especially being in there, you know what I mean? Like, I had to explain myself, you know, a lot of, you know, the different, you know, different times and things of that nature, you know. And, you know, after a while, it seemed like as time went on, you know,

I would run into brothers and they used to be like, yo, I kind of understand where you coming from. Like, you know what I mean? Especially people that caught, like, you know, had, like, you know, killed people and killed, have bodies and stuff like that. They kind of relate to what, whatever you were feeling that made you. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of people that didn't have that kind of situation in jail was like,

yo, who was, like, I don't understand, like, you know what I mean? And I had to like, yo, listen, did you ever do something like that, you know? Right. And brothers were just like, well, nah, you know what I mean? So it was one of them things. And, I mean, you know that that was something real honorable shit, like, because, like, most people would have just let that go. Yeah. And so was it guilt?

I mean, I think it was more, like, balance. Okay. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like balance. Like, you know what I felt like, you know, I was blessed. I had, you know, I remember sitting at the table where I had my children around me. Like, I was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you know, Survivor's Guild is crazy.

Like, you know what I'm crazy? Yeah, it's like, damn. You know, so it was one of them things. Like, you know, after a while I started thinking like, yo, you know, I should at least try to get that, you know, make it right in some type of way. You know what I mean? Do you huddle up with the family before you make that move and say this is what I'm about to do? Now, what family are you talking about? His family?

Well, I kind of, you know, spoke on it a little bit, you know, not kind of right, like at the time when I was doing it, but I had spoke, you know, what if, you know what if, you know what I did this back in the days? What if I was just turned myself in for that? Like, what would you think about that, you know? You know, nah, you know, that's really, you know, that's in the past and, you know, stuff like that, you know? So I was wearing my options for a while, you know. That must have been tough with your kids, you know, it's going to change everybody's life. If a friend stepped to you with that same thing, would you tell them to turn theirself, man? I probably would say, nah, man.

To be honest, to be honest to you, I'd be like... But again, like, we couldn't understand what was weighing on them, you know? Right. I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess. I guess you could, you had to be going through it. Right. You know what I mean? You know, it's one of those things that, like, a lot of people who say,

yo, I don't, you know, I don't know if I could have did that, you know, I think if you was in my shoes and the creator put that in your spirit you might have did it too so you know what I just be like I don't really know what to say to it at the time I just I just you know I just tell them

it's my experience in your past that's your path yeah that's the most honorable shit I've ever heard in my life bro like you know what I appreciate that but you know a lot of people would have took that and just live their life you know what I'm saying

and just like And you were on. You have a record deal. It's like, in retrospect, I can see, I can see you and look at you and just tell you're an honorable person. But still, that's it. That takes an honor of an honorable person to admit that. And. I appreciate it.

It was hard, though. I know. It couldn't have been easy. Yeah. Yeah. I never figured. When I was walking into the precinct, I was like, I don't believe you doing this. Like, I'm telling myself that.

Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was like, you know what I'm saying? It was like another person talking to me, like, yo, you know, but I was like, you know, it was just something that I had to do, man. All right. And I imagine, like, I know jail is tough, period. But I imagine, like, a lot of people in the system gave you love for that.

Like, gave you like, what was, I'm asking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was kind of like, you know, I had a different situation, a different experience in there because of that, you know? Right. It was kind of like, people was like, oh, that's, you know. All right. Leave him alone, like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, it is what it is, bro.

You know, and then, you know, I was already kind of, you know, in that, in that vein, or like, in that, you know, going down that path, of being locked up a lot. You know what I mean? Because I was like, you know, out there, you know, getting arrested for just, you know, just all type of shit. So I was like, can I curse? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like. Yeah, yeah, that's what I work, right?

So, yeah, so, yeah, you know, um, yeah, it's a lot of drinks there. All right. So, yeah, you know, yeah, so, you know, dudes had, I wasn't, like, kind of a stranger to being locked up. Like, I just did, like, a bullet. Right. Like, about two years before that and all of that. So, you know, me being in there was kind of like, like, kind of almost normal. Dude was like, yeah, yeah, there's death right there, yeah. And it might have, you never know it might have saved your life in another way that you don't even know.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I believe so, hell, hell, yeah. I wasn't going, I was going nowhere fast, you know. I was like, you know, everything was kind of just like a desperate, you know, attempt at trying to, you know, achieve or get back to something that, you know, wasn't there, you know what I mean? Now, one thing that happened while you was away was the passion of Black Rob, and I didn't realize how close y'all was. Did you get on through Black Rob?

Did Black War put you on and then you signed the Bad Boy? Yeah. Oh, that's how it happened? Yeah, hell, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Or, um, it was like kind of my bro, my bro knew him. Uh-huh. You know, he was, we from the same neighborhood, but I actually didn't, part of him.

Yeah, I'm all right. I'm like, like, a block away from him, you know what I mean? But I never actually met him. I knew he, I knew he signed and all of that. Oh, you never met black, no. No, I had never met him, you know, prior to that, you know what I mean? And then my man knew him. My man, Puka Broxie.

He knew him. He was like, yo, yo, um, he let Rob here in one of the tapes I had, uh, demo tape joint, And he was like, yo, Rob, he's like, yo, he wanted to meet you, you know, and all of that. One of the other things, I was like, word. And one day he came and got me, he's like, you know, Rob up the block, you know what I'm saying? You want to meet you, just come through.

I came up, came up the block. And he was just like, yo. You know, I used to tell him. He said, yo, I said, yo, I want you on my album. I was like, word. This is your first day meeting. Yeah, first day meeting. Yeah, he's a good dude.

Yeah, like, and I be telling him brothers that, like, his heart was, like, tremendous, man. Like, he wasn't one of them dudes that, like, can't keep anything like he'd be like here yeah you know what I mean like that was just how he was like and that's what he did for you know for me with with the album like he was like come on down wow you know on the album you know I got on the album and it just so happens um that album was in 1999 yeah the um the life story dream okay cool were um so um uh har Pierre happened to be there that day and then you know that was how I wound up getting signed okay well um

Delivery, Little Wayne, did it over. Yeah. Where was you at when you found out that Little Wayne did it over? And this is arguably one of the biggest artists in the world. Hell yeah. I mean, I was, I forgot. I know somebody pulled up and was like, yo, Wayne did you join over, man?

You know what? And I'm like, you know, then when I heard it, you know, I felt some kind of way at first, though, you know what I'm saying? I was like... We all do. We all do when someone's down, well, we all got first a little bit of bitter. Yeah, you know what I was like... It's all right, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm like, damn, like, why would he, you know, like, it was a single, like, you know, you could have picked anything, you know what I mean, this is my single, like, you know what I'm saying? But then I'm like, hey, yeah, you know what I'm like, yeah, it's not just me, thank you, dude, yeah, I don't know, I'm like, I'm like, yo, so, like, I could see you take somebody, like, kind of album cut, you know what I mean, but, like, this was my actual single, and then you made it a single as well, right?

But then I thought about it, you know what I mean? lives on. Yeah, yeah. Then you think about, like, history of hip hop. Like, dudes do it all the time. Like, and I was just like, I dawned on me. It's already a hit. Let's make it a hit again.

Yeah, exactly. Like, how many times people are going to assemble, Big Daddy Kane ain't no half stepping in? You know what I don't like is, um, like when they take the record and they make it, they make it what it wasn't supposed to be. Like, I had a record that I dedicated to my father. Oh, right.

I call sometimes. Yeah, that was my joint. So a couple of people I don't want to say, a couple of people who sampled it and they made the record kind of like happy and I was like this record wasn't meant to be happy like this is a record about my father so that's really when I really take it

personal when they take the record like something like that so personal about my father the reason I love Wayne and the reason why I fuck with Wayne because Wayne didn't ban from TV over twice that's serious but he keeps it like that he keeps it up that alley where

it's with respect to us you know what I can tell he's an artist artist Hell yeah, I understood it as time went on. I was like, you know, shout out to Wayne, man, you know. But I was like, y'all, at first I was like, what the? Have you seen Wayne since you've been home? Nah, I ain't, I ain't seen it. I wonder what a G-Depp and Little Wayne record would sound like.

It sounds like something. We know you're not drinking, but we got a game called QuickTime with slime. Well, let's give them this flowers, man. Okay, the flowers. Come on, God, in my hat. Well, our show was about giving people their flowers so they can smell them. And, bro, this is long overdue. We want to give you your flowers for your face.

I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, thank you. My brother. I'm serious. I never get, I ain't ever get on voice. Snoop's better than grabbing.

How, yeah, that's better than the grammar, man. So, you want to do cook time? Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Oh, he needs a... A designated drinker. Oh, yeah. We could do Sonny or do his man, whatever he wants. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Shizzy Bando, get his lungs dirty alone. Yeah. right up I mean get his You know it's crazy New York City You could smoke on parole But you can't drink on parole Yeah hell yeah That's crazy

It's crazy and they like And they like really come get you like yo You're drinking I ain't playing with these things You need a chance to man Yeah I'm not playing with it The other day The other day

I jumped out the cars In New York obviously right I jumped out the car And I walked right into a dispensary right And I bought Bud And I just really thought to myself How many times did I get a rest of We're doing the same as acting.

Like, you had to be bugging when you came home. Yeah, I still bugged everywhere. I still be bugging, bro. I'm like, yo, that shit is unheard of. Like, that was like our little ritual. You know, you know, the weed. Yeah, now they're like, yo, excuse me, Overson, can you show me how it is? Yeah, that's just crazy.

That's just crazy to me, man. But, you know, it is what it is. It's not legal down here, is it? It's medical. It's medically approved. But I think Trump took that away from y'all. Wait from us, I guess I'm a part of this. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.

They stopped the recreational. Really? Yeah, yeah. So it's only medical. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was on the ballot this year to be a recreation. Yeah, they were going to make it. They took that out, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. All right, quick time with slime. We're going to give you two choices.

What you drinking? Tequila's fun. Tequila? No tequila or tequila. You said, oh, tequila? You said, oh, tequila? Oh, tequila? We got it? We're going to give you two choices. You pick one, we're not drinking. You say, basically you don't want to answer.

You say both or neither, then we all drink. Well, you're not. He's drinking. Okay, so one more time. Two jokes. But really, this is just, we're bringing up names and places, just for stories, and stories, you know what? But if you pick one, like, we're going to say this person or this person, and you pick one, you're not drink. Nobody's drinking.

Oh, I got you. But if you don't want to really answer, you'd be like both or neither of them. Oh, I think we got to drink. Like, if you don't answer, if you evade the question, we're drinking. Got you. And these guys write it over there. Yeah, that's them. They're doing, it's not us.

That's the cocaine section. The Dominican and the Columbia, they write there. They do this. Not a cocaine thing. Okay. Max B or Jim Jones? I had to say, I'm not too familiar with Max B's catalog as a gym. So I would have to say Jim or not.

That's fair. That's fair. Cam or Mace? Cam or Mace? I don't know. I ain't going to do it. Yeah, then you got to take a job. By the way, that's the correct answer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no wrong answer. There's no wrong answer. That's tequila? What is that? Yeah. That was mad fast, too. Yeah, she got that.

Like, she stole that. That was great. That was quick time, would you? Since we drink it, my son. Just let's pour up. Yo, yeah, sake is really like a, you have to do this with a partner.

You can't drink sake by yourself. But I broke the rules already. You're pouring it to you for yourself, too? Yep. All right, cheers. Drink up. Oh, hey, no, drink up. Oh, my bad.

Okay. Sal lo. Okay. I'll drink with you. Bring the water? Black raw or Big L? Black Wild or Big Al I like

I like you think I can see you thinking Yeah Rest and peace of both Rest and peace of Black Wild Rest and peace to Big Al I had to say I'm gonna go with my bro man

You're gonna go with Black Wild man Yeah You ever interact with Big Al Yeah Yeah I definitely I met him a few times How was he? It was cool

Quiet dude Just, you know Just come do his work You know what I mean We never like hung out I met him in a few studios It's like I always ran into him in the studio Sorry

It's hard to cut you out But that had to be a shocking experience too Because when you went away We all had to be in the same studios together Now a motherfucker could just Just throw you a record What's that shocking for you too? Yeah, yeah

But it was kind of like It was just weird stuff was headed, like, you know what I mean? You knew it was headed that way in that direction? Yeah, because when I left, I left, I left when they, you know, I still, I had an iPhone and all of that. Okay, you know what I mean? So I understood how compact things was going, you know what I mean?

Like, I used to, I used to go to the, I used to go to the studio with the PS, remember when PSPs first came out? And so I would like, like, like, like, kind of upload the beats to the PSP. Like, I was kind of on to the technology, you know what I'm saying? So I kind of knew that stuff was starting to get to be. You know, like, it was going there, you know what I mean? But, um, yeah, it's still amazing to me, though. I love it.

Technology, the motherfuckers really can make a whole album on the phone now. Hell yeah. Like, beats, recorded, everything on the phone. Now you don't even need people because AI could do it all. Yeah, AI can't, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I go to this session for you. Yeah, it's just, there is. Okay.

Kiss or push your tea? I had to say kiss. Okay. Harlem World or Dipset? Harlem World or Dipset? I don't know, man. I don't know. That's a good shot?

So you're saying both? Yeah, I'm saying both. Hell yeah. And Harlem World, that was Mason, right? Yeah, that was Mason, Loon. You know what I mean? He got to catch up two shots, right? Sugar J and all of them

Shout to Shout the Blinky Blank and all them Swipes out Rough Riders A Rockefeller Rough Riders a Rockefeller Ruff Riders A Rockefeller

Jamie Thank you Thank you I had to say Rough Riders I know I know them You know them personally You know what I mean

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Life After Death. And you got the meat big, right? Nah, I didn't get the meat big. Nah, nah. I've seen him one time in the tunnel before I got there and all that. Like, just like, not really performing, but he was just kind of just chilling. He was like, oh, that's that big E. Schwan's doing anything. He was dumb tall.

I was like, damn. That's funny as hell. I see Biggie in the tunnel, too. He's with little seas. Oh, wow? Yeah, he was just him. And I was like, why he don't have security? And I was so shocked

But him and I had my security Being one of the toughest clubs in the world Yeah, hell yeah He was like a jam Yeah, well Hell yeah He wasn't like no club Hell yeah

He was standing on the world They got unisex bathrooms It was weird It's just like, go Yeah The tunnel is crazy Dave East Ovalo You can tell they're trying to give you

Harlem questions Yeah, that's the fact Dave East Ovalo I'm gonna go I'm going to go with the bro Davies, man. Okay. Nause or L-L? You know that was a queen's question.

You took too long. You said Nause or L-L? I ain't going to lie. L kind of was part of my, you know, my experience of getting into wanting to rap and all that. So I'm going to have to say Al, man. Really? Hell, yeah. You're an L fan?

Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Early? I was like, yo, this kid is Ellis, man. Right. Word. I can see.

I can see. I can see where you're coming home. Yeah. Whoa. Hell yeah. Wu-Tang or Public Enemy? Mm. I had to go.

I had to go with P.E. on that one. Fight the power, baby. Fight the power. Rock Kim or Big Daddy King? Damn, now I'm out of it. I'm taking a shot for that. Damn. I don't know.

I had to say both with that one. Right. Yeah, I had to say both, too. Where. Kumo D or Curtis Blow? Kumo D, man. Kumo D, man. Come on, D from Harlem, too, right?

Yeah. 120, 9th Street. Come in it. Super legend, man. I had to think about the song for a minute. It's the Wild Wild West, right? Hell yeah. I didn't realize we used to talk about the Wild Wild West, Harlem.

Yeah, that's why, that's why? Yeah, that's it just hit me just now. Yeah, I used to always think that was about the West Coast. I mean, we wouldn't have known. Not from New York, we wouldn't even understand that. He just said it just said it was now. Right, but he had the, he had the cowboy stuff on and all that. Yeah, hell, yeah, he wouldn't know that.

Uh, Tupacupac, Easy, E, E. I had to go with Pac on that one. I never met Park, man. Nah. Pop. I met Biggie and never met Pop. Yeah, I would have loved that meeting him. He's another one that I've seen in the tunnel.

Oh, really? He's definitely going to see that. Hell yeah. What was that? It was like, it was just, it was ill because, like, you know how the tunnel had that steps? Okay, yeah. When you walk it in? No, like, where you all, like, kind of towards the back, going to the back room?

Okay, yeah, okay, yes. So, so I'm on the top of the steps, and I'm just like, I'm like, who the hell is that? Like, you got the red jacket on with the ballhead. This was when Above the rim Yeah, they was filming Above the rim So he was in town

Yeah And so like I'm looking I'm like You can see like females following them And all that I'm like Who the hell is that

Like I'm looking And then he got at the bar And then he was a little closer And I could tell It was him And then like It was just ill Like they was just on his body

You know Like they was like Trying to grab him He kept like Like And all I can see Is like him just kept Turning around

And I was like Damn They get pox, man. He was by himself, like, besides the trick. Yeah, like, he was just walking through the crowd. That's wild. And then he just, like, he went through the ball. And, like, they was just, like, trying to,

I guess they was trying to get his autograph with something. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah, he was that guy, so I ain't gonna lie. Bismarck here, ODB. I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with the Bismarck on that one. There's some piece of boat. I think ODB would go of Bismarck with that one.

He would pick biz. Yeah. Can you rap or KRS one? This has got to be tough. Yeah, that's tough. I got to go with both for an album. Okay, let's go. Yeah.

Cheers. I'm trying to get... I'm trying to get... Drink, fuck, you're not drinking. Oh, hold up. I ain't drinking neither. Hold on. No, because I liked it the next one.

You were like, you wanted to beat me too? Yeah. No, no, no. I just liked it. Mom deep, deep, though. These are some hard questions, me. I ain't going to lie, man. man, Mar-D or M-O-P?

Damn. That's going to have to take another shot. Oh, let's go. Hell yeah. Clips or E-P-M-D? E-P-M-D. Okay, that's fair. Yeah.

A-Sap Rocky or A-Sap Fur? I'm going to go with. the original man, A-Sap Rocky on that one. Yeah. I ain't got a lot. A-Sap, you're my man. You're my homie. But the ballerina slippers you had on the other day,

I almost disclaimed it. Oh, man. You had on the ballerina drink? You see the ballerina slipers out? Somebody pull that up. That's my friend. I love them. Hell yeah, that's the bro.

I drink his Canadian whiskey. Do everything, but those slippers had me hurt. Damn. It was not cool with that. You know what I'm talking about? You can't see it? And they read, too. Like, like, like, he was going to say, of Dorothy.

Like, I'm Dorothy. Like, what's that shit? I'm going back to Kansas. That's it, you know what I'm talking about? That's what I looked. I was almost texting. I was like, I was like, no, no, no, no, no. This is going to come off good.

Just let this go. Let this go. No, no, no, no, no. That's bullshit. No, I'm dead serious. Oh, nah, man. That ain't all of them, nah. You're really the Dorothy Slidge.

I didn't. I don't know. Oh, shit. Maybe he's on the Michael Jackson zip with this one. And you know what's so crazy about ASAP? I'm going to give him the past. I'm going to give him the past because in two years or now, I think people are going to be rocking these.

They'll follow him. Hopefully, hopefully they'll follow him. But me personally, I am not. Not on this one. You are my, bro, the troopers, but there's no. condition is this Harlem. The Harlem disclaimed him immediately.

Oh, no, this is not Harlem. Do not blame Harlem for that. Those is like just basically like his shoe, like heels. Oh, they even men? They look like female shoes. Like, I'm just asking. They look like the jelly drinks back in the day. The one on the left is not the same one he's wearing. They did him dirty on that. Oh, you're right.

It's not the same. Yeah. Wait, there's two different ones. Yeah, these are more like loafers, like loafers. But it's closer enough, though. And the other one is straight up, Dorothy's shoe from the fucking into the No, you're right, you're right, you're right, yeah, they got us. They did them dirty on that one. Oh, they did them dirty. They cut the shoe off so you can't really

see it good. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But if it is, shout out to A-Sat. There is no pass for that. Damn, A-sizzle. But he got Rihanna, so fucking. Yeah, I guess you start going crazy for shit like that. All right.

Paid him for New Jack City. Bade in Full or New Jack City? That's tough, man. That's both Harlem, too, right? Yeah, hell yeah. New Jack was Harlem, too. I'm going to go to New Jack City. Okay.

It's my favorite question of all. Loyalty or respect? Damn, that's a good question. That's a great question, man. That's a great question. Um I would have to say I would have to say

respect Okay I would have to say respect I'm gonna take a shot I thought you're gonna say both I swear you could say both Cheers because loyalty

Lawy is like that you can respect somebody and kind of not be loyal to them like you know what I understand Yeah, like, you know, kind of respect is kind of more, more blanket. It's like more of a blanket, broader statement, you know what I mean? Loyalty is kind of specific.

Right. Yeah, you know, but they both kind of. I always say that's the only time in this whole program that you're supposed to say both because I feel like it goes hand-in-hand. That's me personally. Yeah, yeah. That's me personally. It does go ahead and.

Yeah, give me another shot, though. Give him another shot. Give him another shot before he walks off. You see? Yeah, he said it. Yeah, he killed. Yeah, my book. That shit's he band, though, man.

That's not, to stay ready album. And that was light. That was light work we did today. Oh, he killed it on. Yo. Appreciate you, man. Yo, listen.

Yeah, that's the, like, one of the producers. Hell, yeah. Any on one of the songs. Oh, okay, okay. Yo, bro, I'm not gassing you. I appreciate you. Like, listen, bro. We be here listening to other people's music,

and we'd be horrified. Like before people come in We'd be like What do we tell this guy about his album? Like, your shit Yo, that shit I was really, really impressed And the fact is

Like, I'm not gassing you Like Because I'm listening to your cadence I'm listening to your breath control I'm listening to I was like He had to keep rhyming He had to keep rhyming Like you didn't take

Like it shows And by the way If you ain't got these albums You need to go get these fucking albums These is dope This is dope I ain't gonna lie I would love

I would love to get it collab with you. Yeah, let's go, let's go. I come out of retirement. Let's go. Appreciate you. I come out of retirement. I get a verse left in me. Hell yeah.

I wrote a verse the other day in the shower. It was weird. Well. Sometimes I still got it. It's an affliction. Sometimes I, sometimes I, something would hit me, and I smoke someone's butt. I have to write that shit down immediately. So I had to write, I wrote a whole fucking rhyme in the shower, but it was like weird because I kept not getting.

my phone wet. But I was like, so I was out, I was like, if my wife walked in at any point, I'm going to look crazy. Like, yo, you went in the phone that? I felt it, so I just hurried up. But hold on, hold on one thing we didn't have on the list, Major versus Indy.

Now that you've experienced both. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. You see, you see, I'm still getting used to the indie life. You know what I mean? You see how, you know, certain things. Say it. you know what I mean you like like just for instance just me being late just now like trying to handle everything you know right right it's kind of you know it's a lot you know and you kind of you know long for the days where you can just be an artist and just like you got to wear all the hats now yeah like you know what I mean he explained it the right way hell yeah because it's real so I always I always I always say major right and you can relate to I relate I relate there's nothing

like being on a major label. Like, when, at that height, that height. And when you're that artist, because you could be on a major label and be on the low end of that list and they're not treating you the same. That's the most part. You are correct. I will want me and say, but when you are that guy, being on bad boy, compared to nothing. I'm just letting you know, I remember seeing that bad boy train.

Like, and that shit, they, they, it definitely, it definitely trained you to, I mean, spoil you listen I'm not going to lie to you if to go from that like me it's fucked up for me because I was on penalty records penalty was actually an independent

that was signed to a major that acted as a major that was an independent no it was a major independent it was a major independent so what's fucked up about me and a situation with me was I had to make it to a certain extent for that budget to

actually open. Does that make sense? So I had to, so, see, y'all, y'all, y'all will spoil you, man. Y'all was good over there. But we had to, like, we had to make, like, a certain amount for the major to start acting. Oh, wow. So Coppona Noriega's whole first album was independent. It wasn't, it didn't get picked up by Tommy Boy to, like, 250,000 units, which took us. Oh, snap.

A long time. I love talking to people like you because we've experienced that, that, like, right now, like as you said, you would land somewhere, you know, we used to have street raps. I worked, I mean, I worked your records. My boy Boris, he was on the street team.

Oh, kind of. Sean Prys, right? You don't remember when you were. You don't remember when you used to land used to be a street rep who were actually pick you up. There was no... You had a whole street team.

Oh, yeah. I love, I love street teams. I love... So when I went to... I'm gonna tell you my... When I went from that shit, to go in the business, how I can play in the whole time.

I was like, what this shit? Like, you mean, I gotta pay for my own car? I got a... I got a... I got a swipe my credit card at the whole town. Like, yo, so... Remember what you're giving up, though, is ownership.

You know, sometimes, fuck it. Nah. I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, as long as long as, you're willing to give it up, but that's what you're giving up at the end of the day is the ownership. The catalog. It's like me and depth was just saying

a lot of us never had ownership in the first place. So when a person samples your record, that's why you said, at first he was like, yo, a lot of the times when people sampled my records and it's records that I didn't own, I actually get nothing

out of that. All I get is a look and a shout-out. I don't want a shot out of a look. Oh, but you were never really independent. That's what I'm telling to say, yeah. That's what I'm saying. So that's the reason why when you got people like us and people sample us and they don't have to clear it through, like, I found out my record was on entourage in the movie theater.

Damn. That's it. That's fucked up. You being nice to me saying that's ill. That's fucked up. He's been real, bro. That's a bullshit. Yeah, that's a bullshit.

Like I literally was like Oh shit And people turned around They looked at me It was like Oh you wasn't going to tell us And I was like I didn't know

Oh wow Ferald didn't call me They cleared it through Feral Ferald has ownership Yeah Wait wait wait What record was it Superdog

Remember the producer Automatically owns 50% Automatic Not of the master And the master's what needs to be cleared For that license Well whatever

The deal for real gap with me He owns the master Unless he made an ill deal from the beginning that he won's a part of the master, which is Which at that time, he was up and coming producer. He might know eventually later, because you got to remember. Maybe. You got to remember that catalog was sold.

So like, like, Bad Boys catalog was sold. So that's what's so fucked up. Like, my catalog and probably your catalog, like, if they sell it, you have to deal with a whole other different regime of people that you never, you didn't make the records with. It's fucked up being an artist. Artists, get your shit together, own your masters.

Yeah, you got to know. Also, I say everybody got to be on a major for one hour. Yeah. For one album. The best way to be on a major is be independent, successfully independent, then you can go and make the deal with the major as an independent where you keep your ownership and now you just use the machine.

Versus the other way around. When you come in fresh, they take advantage of everything. Yeah, hell, you definitely learn, learn. You learn being a major, I mean, being an independent after being in a major, definitely. Like, because I, it's stuff now that I'm like, I kind of like, like, got a new respect for majors. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn it, the money they was putting up, the time, like, you know what I mean? You know how when you finish the album, like, with the Lessons Never Losses, I kind of put that together, you know, independently.

So, you know, typing up the lyrics, copyrighting everything. registering it on, registering it on the BBS, you know, the BDS, you know, that she was like, I was like, damn. That's why it's hard to recoup because they say, look, this is all that we had to pay for. Lawyers and the marketing team, the radio team, the publishers, like, oh, yeah, it's real. I told you what time I paid for a billboard that I never saw. Well, you know, that was the other hustle too. Oh, damn, you're telling me they got me? You know the marketing team.

Yeah, it was a hustle. $50,000 for one page. But everybody was going, all right. You get some, you get some, everybody. Yeah, it was so much money at that time. It was so much money at that time. And it was an era. That was the era of that, right?

Yeah, yeah. The peak. Do you, do you believe that that era? Like, what is your favorite era of hip-hop? Well, do you believe this is the golden years from 1999 to 2009? Hell yeah. I believe so, too.

Hell yeah. I believe so. Say it again. Say it again. Huh? Say it again. That was face up. 1999, like that era, 1909 to 2009.

Okay. I believe that that's one of the golden eras. I want to say 98 because my album came out in 98. Right. But I can stretch it out. Yeah, I mean, I think everybody has their own golden eras for sure. Like, yeah. Yeah.

That is an era for sure. That's an era. Especially as far as, like, making money. Right. Like, it was like, like, the industry was like a cash cow. Yeah. That was the peak of money in the industry. Hell yeah.

Now, I ain't going to lie. I remember I seeing you in Black Rob, and I remember seeing y'all perform in Jersey. Hell, yeah. And I remember that day. And I remember that day. I was just watching y'all. Y'all tore that shit down.

I appreciate that. Describe the people. Because this is the one thing. You had monsters, though, bro. No, no, no, no. This is about you. Hold on. That's about you, right?

Because people don't understand. We were hustlers. back then, right? Now, I hate to say that back in my day, like, I hate to sound like the old guy, right? But we could actually live off a one record. We could have one record and live, but

we knew how to perform. We knew how to have these describe the people what having a hit record is, because I can't. Like, I can't tell a person who's never had a hit record,

like, yo, how good of a feeling this shit. Yeah. Like, it's like. It's like, yeah. Describe to the, so, yeah. It's like when you,

when you, when you, when you, when you play Mario Brothers. Yes. And you hit that brick that the shit just going.

Like, that's what, that's what having to hit record is like, it's like, it just don't stop. Like, you get instant that you get like constant gratification.

Like, you know what I'm saying. That's a good visual. That's the best. Yeah. That's kind of what it's like, You know what I mean? That's crazy.

It's like when you hit that brick, that magic brick. They always say like that crack has chased their first high. Like the first time that they got high, if you're an artist, you for the rest of your life, chase that hit record again. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Who you are, don't give a fuck. How much money you got? It's one of the most phenomenal feelings ever in life.

Like, and like just being able to go to a club, see somebody look at you. and know that they know every word to your fucking record. It's one of the most one of the things ever in life, man. And I hope everybody could experience that once in their life. Like, it's beautiful, man.

Yeah. And especially that era that we were in. So now, it's also that famous clip, right? Even though they, I heard you say, that his son's called you and pulled up on you. Oh, for when, the day we went. The day that we met. That five, I felt that five when y'all, I was like,

hell yeah. But I want to commend you. And I'm going to tell you why I want to commend you. You couldn't fake that five. That five when y'all kept going like this. It was good to see the bro. I was like, that's real love right there. Like, we always get the, we always get the bad side or did it.

That's what people always say. And I love what you said. You said, I believe you. I fucking read you said this that. She was like, I don't know that. Like, the bro that wasn't like that to me. Right. I say that shit and I look crazy.

When you said that, everyone believed you. They didn't believe me. But, so. Yeah, I peeped that too. That was dope. That was a dope moment. Like, so what was that moment like for you? It was more, it was just a genuine moment, like, seeing somebody you haven't seen in a while.

Like, you know, I couldn't think, I couldn't think, you know, I couldn't really think of, like, you know, like, kind of put the politics and all that. Like, yeah, like, I couldn't even think that way with them. Like, you know what I mean? You're a genuine person, bro. Yeah, but I tell you, it's being genuine. I appreciate it. I, in case I didn't say it earlier, like, I admire you, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I admire you, bro, because it's like, I don't know if you knew what you did at that moment. but you first of the intimate is broke oh shit jeep and ditty is together in Harlem like yeah but it was

it was I can tell it was so genuine coming from you you know we were kind of talking before that like it wasn't like that was the first time they hollered and was like you know what I mean so you know I had spoke to him like probably about a week or so after I came home

and we was been trying to get up he was like yo I want you you to come down here y'all i want you seen a tweet out say let's work or something like that yeah well yeah yeah you know what i mean he hit me up and uh stevie jac contacting me yo pop once you want you want to holl at you you know we spoke face time a few times you know and so then that in that day was just one of the day they was in town right you know and kind of find out that's why he was in town because he had to you know turn himself in and all that stuff so you know that was kind of like you know we was already kind of like in the line of you know you know messing with each other and all

So, you know, when he came through it was just like, what's up? Like, you know what I mean? I heard you say, I heard you describe that moment as he was regular. Yeah. Like, yeah, he's super regular, man. He was like, you know, so what do you want to do?

I was like, you don't got nothing to do, me? Like, word. That's weird. That's different. Hell yeah. I was like, what you mean? I was like, yo, I. So he was like, you want to be saying to eat or something?

I was like, yeah. You know what I mean? And then we just went. He was like, all. And then, like, we just went, we were just riding around, Harlem. Yeah. Like, then we went up, then we shot around to, uh, we was trying to go to see Dougie Fresh real quick, couldn't find him.

So we, like, shot down the West Side Highway. He's like, super regular. Like, I'm riding around in the phantom and some crazy with the stars on the roof. Looking for Dougie Fresh. How dope is that? How old is that? Like, we're at Dougie Fresh out. Hell yeah.

Yeah, we just, you know, it was regular, man. So now I'm going to ask you. first off, the man is not guilty, right? Yeah, he's not guilty. That's a fact. But have you ever, did you ever think 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that pop daddy would be in jail? Hell no. That shit is crazy to me.

That shit is crazy to me. Like, I was even saying this right now. It seems like we're playing around. That's the fact. Like, it used to, it was like, it was like he was. He was the scapegoat to, like, just snap on. Like, yo, this thing's crazy. He's just bananas.

He's just out of his mind. But you never would think he would really get locked up. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was the furthest thing from out of my mind. Like, you know what I mean? Like, regardless or whatever, you know, he was a high-strung dude. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't, like, I would never think he would be locked up.

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especially on an intellectual level or a talent level to make someone else feel comfortable just because they are the majority in this situation and they need employment. So for me, I'm always going to be honest in saying that we need to be unapologetically ourselves. If that makes me a vocal CEO and people consider that rocking the book, So be it. To hear this and more on the power of black innovation and ownership, listen to Black Tech Green Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Adventure should never come with a pause button.

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because the future belongs to all of us. So listen to There Are No Girls on the Internet on the IHurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's the plans? You're opening your own label. What are we doing? I mean, I do have the label.

I started a label when I was locked up in 2023. about called Black Market Black Market Group Recordings. You know what I'm saying? Because you know when you put out stuff on the DSPs, you got to

put it through a label. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, like you got to, you can't just put your name. You can't just be yourself. You can't be Victor and just throw out your record. Okay, damn. So you can't. Victor L.C.

And then you can do it. So you can't just upload it to iTunes on your own? Nah. You got to go through. It has to be incorporated. Through a distribution site, like Distrocade or Tool Corps or Empire. Yeah, hell yeah. You know what I think I know that?

Yeah. That's a payola. Independent, buddy. Illuminati. Yeah. And people that got, Illuminati. I'm saying, if people that got like a name, like you can see how, like, if they do things on their own, it's a lot to do.

But, like, you could really, like, really, like, kind of cake off. Like, you know what I'm saying? because it's just you, like, you know what I mean? Right. So it's direct, so it's 80, 20. Yeah, hell yeah. So that 20% goes to the tune corps or... Some of them.

Some of them don't even have that set up. Like, they just want you to pay them. Like they get you... Yeah, yeah, you could pay. Yeah, like, just give me $100 a year. Like a subscription to put out shit. Really? Even SoundCloud does distribution now.

I didn't know that. But don't get it twisted. The tech companies are the new major labels fucking everybody over. Hell yeah. That's 100% for sure. Because imagine, they don't got to do no physical shit. all they should is press the button

when it goes out and they're making money so they're not making money from anybody that wants to be an artist that's crazy but he still gotta pay for his album cover yeah he's still got to pay for it

all work now you can just tell chat GPT to make an album cover yeah that's changing quickly yeah that's true that's true you don't have paid designers I know people

it seem like like like a lot of because I'll be on the internet you know I'm doing this independent thing so I see like the response from those AI generated kind of things like people people was kind of like oh no they did it's a turn way yeah they like yeah you know what I mean but sooner or later like that's just

gonna be yeah that's it but graphic design is easy like for people not to even notice it yeah yeah yeah you definitely could could get it and eventually like they making shit like it's real life shit yeah I ain't gonna lie I saw Bob Marley smoking a blunt with snoop dog the other day I lost it I knew it was fake I knew it was fake it's still lost it's like that's what's gonna happen And we're going to get to a point where we know it's fake, but we want to believe it. And then people are just going to get in this weird thing where I know it's fake, but I'm still going to ride with it. Yeah, like that might, you might be right. It's going to be like a weird change of psychology that we don't even understand right this moment.

Like right now, the first person, I want to big him up, that I felt like using AI and chat GBT correctly as Beanie Siegel. Well, yeah, well, you know that video. Yeah, yeah, I don't know that video. I don't even know the videos. That's true. But he sounded like himself. And in that case, that's what AI works. Now, I'm talking about something else.

No, no, no. Because, you know, you kind of lost his voice. Recreate his voice. Yeah, I heard about that. So, like, with that, he went, I believe this footage was real. See, I don't even know which was real or not. That's the fucked up world we live in. We don't know.

We got to always caveat with, I don't know if this is real, but I'm going to tell you this. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. But, yeah, no, that thing that's dope. I think that's a positive side of AI. There's a lot of positivity, too. Yeah. I mean, Will I am show us some positivity,

but then Will I am scared the shit out of me, too. Why? He had a Vato. He had a Vato. He got a Vato on his A-I. Yeah, it could be anything you want it to be. Anything. And you pick a VAT.

Yeah, he picked, he picked, like, he got a Mexican. Do you fuck with Shad GPD-T-Rane? I'm not, I'm not good. The shit is scary because I will do regular shit with it. Oh, I thought of Votto or something else. No, no, no, Mexico. He had like a Mexican accent He had his GPS

With Mexican accent I thought that was so dumb You could put whatever accent you want on it It can start talking slang And the more you talk to it It'll talk to you in a way that you talk Oh yeah So you can put Spanish Harlem

And that shit starts speaking Like the dudes at the handball court You could like here You don't have to type to it anymore You could talk to it direct Yeah So what I was saying the creepy shit for me I was I do regular shit

Like just like almost like Google search shit but I don't talk to it now. And the kid will hear my kids sometimes in the background. One day it said, hey, how's your kids doing today? Oh, hell no. No fucking way. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm like, I'm going to fuck to you now, bro. Wait, wait, wait, wait. For real, I'm going to be like, but I, you know, I'm on some weird shit. I'm like, I'm going to be nice to this shit because in the future, Matrix, Terminator is. I want you to be like, yo, he was a nice thing. I'm like, how you doing, chat? And it says, I'm doing great. How are you, Eric?

How are you kids? That's funny. You say that. That's crazy you say that I said I said I told this shit thank you I was like no I said yeah I said To chat me yeah to Syria One of them straight I was like thank you

Right she said you're welcome Yeah it made me feel like Like he was grateful like I was like thanks Y'all got to be scared Yo it's creepy man You guys got me scared But you know what We're not stopping this shit

So we got at least understand it Engaging in it with it You know what I'm saying because it's going. Yeah. It's out of here. I was in the crib by myself, too. I felt like, like, kind of like,

like, a connection. Like, I was like, shit. Yeah, yeah. Like, there's a dude that, uh... She's welcome. Mm-hmm. You saw the dude that he's, like, he's married,

and he's dating his chat. Oh, yeah. And his wife is cool with it. She's like, well, as long as he ain't dating a real person. Oh, no, that's real? Yeah. Oh, nah. Well, hold on.

I think it's a movie. Nah, I talk a movie like that kind of, Oh, no, there's a movie like that. Oh, yeah, dad, I'll see that. He was in love with this, what the thing. But he didn't have a real wife, though. That was only one of the guy. This is a dude who has a wife.

And he's in love with his child, GPT. Nah. How does that happen? He's got, he trained it to talk like a certain woman. So he takes on dates? There's a thing. If you keep talking to this thing, it learns who you are and doesn't forget anything, you say. Right.

That's what I'm saying. That's why I knows I have kids because I heard him. Yeah, me, me, I drink too much for that shit. Hey, Norrie, you want another little shout of sake? How do you know I like Saki? Yo, I will tell you, oh, don't you pour it. Norrie, don't pour it. It's bad luck.

And you're like, damn, thank you, man. Yo. Whoa. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I made a record in 1997 called www. nori. And I was talking about in 1997. You could look at this stuff. I'm not cat.

I'm friends with Captain Crunch with him not the captain guy and I was talking about this technology shit I had no idea where it's going right now I don't think any of it had an idea you had you talked about like how it didn't have like the internet because like I was the first person

to have a two-way pager I was like I always liked the technology but I would like it to show off I wouldn't like it to actually use it right like I was one of the first people running around with a camera.

Yeah. So, but where it's going now, I don't know. I don't know. It's wild. Yeah, it seemed like, I don't know, man. It just kind of made me feel like as far as the matrix and the simulation, like, we kind of like on some weird loop. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we've become that, that we already were, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know what I mean? Like we're almost stuck in a cycle. Yeah, like we became them at there. Then, like, that was over, and then we came back to humans and now we back to... No, I get what you... I kind of understand where you come. Like, it already happened already. Like, you know what I'm saying?

It's weird, man. What do you all think about the Timberlin and the AI artist? Because that could cause controversy, too. Wait, Timberlin got an AI artist? He started... I don't know if he could start an AI label, but he started a label, and his first artist is an AI, completely AI artist. Yeah. So he caught a lot of, a lot of, like, negative, you know, feedback to him.

I would think that's... Yeah, they was bombing him. Yeah, he had a Zoom call. I think it was... Who was on the call? Young guru. Who else? And they told him that they didn't like this?

Yeah, they told him they didn't agree with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, to his face, okay, okay. Yeah, so... But, you know, I heard, oh, Chuckie Thompson, right? The producer? Yeah. He was on the breakfast club.

And he said something that kind of made sense to me, though. He said, if you were Timberlin at this point in your career... You've done everything. AI is like another tool, like another beat machine. And you probably don't want to deal with artists anymore who don't want to take your ideas the way you see the ideas. So you probably say, I'll just deal with AI. It's not going to talk back.

It's not going to say shit to me. It's another beat machine, but even better, you know? Because G. Deps are going to make a whole group. Yeah, hold on. I'm not saying, I totally agree with that, but I get it. He's going to have his whole move take on. I understand that. I understand that idea.

Like, yeah, I get it, you know. yeah that is but there's a lot of controversy around it yeah um we definitely sign on the AI artist too no no no no no no no this be all i'm not with it bro it's gonna be under boris productions not even crazy crazy piece or is gonna make an AI of himself with the accent and everything now now now now this is what was the first thing you you you did when you got out of jail Yeah The first thing I did was actually That I wanted to do

McDonald's? Nah, I went and bought some I went and bought some gum Wow Tried it? No, it was just I just any gum Because you know

You know you can't You can't chew gum I didn't even I don't know They don't let you get gum You get gum And they keep it Oh not hold up

You ain't even drunk You're sober You're sober chaps You're sobering Just put it too close So that's the first thing Let's go Bring it in more?

No, in this way So it doesn't fall By now Thank you. Thank you. So that's the first thing you did. That's the first thing I did, man. The first meal I did, man.

The first meal I had was A-Hop. Ah, hop, I did see that. Y'all right. Hell yeah. I didn't even get it. I didn't get pancakes, though. I bought cheeseburgers. Cheeseburger and fries.

Let's make some noise. You being a legend. Hell of you. Word up. So, because everybody that did more than six months, they always say, the first thing I'm going to do when I get home. Did you live out everything that you said when you get home? Nah, I didn't even try.

I didn't even worry about. I love your honest. I don't know. Because like, you come home and you say you want to do this and that. But you just do the first thing you see, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, word, I ain't do that in a while. I ain't do that. I ain't turn a light on in a minute.

Oh, shit. Like, just the hellish thing. Like, yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? That's how I still go through this, go through that. I use it as excuses now. Like, yeah, I ain't have a, a Sarah Lee piece of cakes just I've been home, like, you know what I mean? Like, I just use it for this, the eldest thing now.

Hell yeah. So, you come home, you see all this, this, the world has changed. I cannot, I'm going to give you an example of me, but this is not. a good example. But me, personally, I moved to Miami and I stayed out here like six to eight months, which is what I'm saying. It's not a good example, right? But hit me out. But I went to Times Square. And the minute I went to Times Square, I almost cry. Because I've seen so many people in Miami, I get to see who the fuck I want to see. If I don't want to see people, I can stay the walk out of the way. In New York

City, you have no choice. Yeah, that's fine. I walk through and I see, I don't, I want to say like 3,000 people cross the street. And I literally, I was smoking cigarettes at the time, I literally was like, and I had to run upstairs, the water in my face, and say, you're a New York

a motherfucker. Snap back. Yeah, because I was. You know, this is recently, you saying? No, this is, this was like when I, like, when I first moved here and I stayed here for more than six months. And I went back for the first time. Yeah, and I went back for the first time. I had to, like, really, I had to, like, literally throw water on my face.

Yeah, I see as you again. I had to act tough because, you know, just to tell you truth, like New York is just tough for no reason. I had to go upstairs. I was saying hi to people. I shouldn't have said hi. You know, I was being nice. I went to the club the night before.

This is how I knew I was out of the touch. I went to the club the night before. And I was like, hey, everybody. My friends is like, what the fucking smiling for, bro? I'm like, I'm happy. And they're like, just you in New York, we're not happy here. That's crazy. I had to, like, turn on my ice grill.

So now, that's crazy. I'm telling you, that's a little portion. Was that something that you had to kick back on when you came home? Well, actually, it was kind of the opposite for me. Okay. you had to dial it down like you know what I'm saying yeah I'm coming out of my hand me

you're not at somewhere else I started off I said it's a bad example but an example nonetheless even my wife to this day she'd be like you relax you know what I'm saying like I definitely had to like kind of and I still be having to catch myself

like you know what I mean it's like you know when you come home you know you kind of always used to dealing with things in a certain way. Like, you know, everything's straightforward, no bullshit, like, you know what I mean? Like, so when you come out and dudes is, you know, slow dragging stuff and, you know, it's cool, we home,

you know what I mean? You know, it's not that serious, you know what I said? I had to, you know, I had to definitely dial it down, you know what I'm saying? He's making me think of, remember that scene in American Me where a homie went to buy the shoes? Don't look at me, puppet? No, no, no, no.

No, he ordered the, he was trying to get the shoes and the dudes, like, I'll be right with you. And he took it at a day. Oh, it's like a defensive. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. It's like that, though.

Like, you know, like stuff that people do in jail, you know, that it's like kind of real disrespect. You know what I mean? You kind of bring a lot of that with you, you know what I'm saying? You got to kind of catch yourself, you know what I mean? Yeah. There's a lot of adjustment making. So we get the album together. You realize that you're independent.

you realize that you had to do all of this, right? Was this something, if you had a chance to do it all over? And let's say, Did he wasn't in the position he is, he was in the position he was back then when you went away. Would you have re-signed with him? It's ill you say that because when I got with him, I realized that because he was like, yo, like like we're gonna do some music that like you know what I'm saying he was like yo I got

you know he actually had a joint for me he was like yo I want you on this I can hear that you wrote a lot of his joints did you yeah yeah I wrote a few you know what I'm saying I can hear it in him like oh I see yeah yeah yeah so so when he said that I felt kind of like in my gut like I was like damn I don't I don't I don't kind of want that like you know what I mean I don't want the same G-Dep, you know, puff relationship. I kind of wanted, like, a business relationship. A partnership.

Yeah, like a partnership. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when he said that, I was like, yeah, for sure, you know what I mean? But in my mind, I'm like, yeah, we got to kind of renegotiate things, though. You know what I mean? However we do it, you know what I mean? So to answer your question, you know, if I did come out and, like, in his situation was like it was, I would have, you know,

I would have just came at it, like, from a business standpoint, you know, But I definitely would have rocked with him. The kid is a genius, man. When it comes to music? Right. Hell yeah. A kid is ill with it, man. So let me ask you, because I don't know.

But there's a rumor that Puff gave back all of his artist's publishing. Yeah. Were you a part of that? Yeah. Okay. So he gave back the publishing. Yeah. I kind of, I still got to, you know, eyeing some stuff out with that.

Because at the time that he did that, I was coming home. Okay, okay. You know what I mean? So it was kind of like, then when I came home, he got caught. up into what he was going on had going on. So like the lawyers kind of dissipated. Right. So I'm still trying to get that going on. But he did, he did

give, you know what I mean? That's real. Well, hell yeah. And I imagine the fight for my bucket. And I remember him just telling me it like casually, like you heard the rumor? And I was just like, what? He told me that? Like, yeah, casually. It's like, yeah, I gave all my artists back to publishing. And he just kept talking.

He just kept moving. And I was just like, he said it so narsh and large. some, so casual that I, I, I, I never, I never said that. I never said nothing about it until I believe, I think it locks. The locks said that they got their shit back. I believe, I believe that they said they got their shit back. And I was just like, wow. That's, that's kind of, that's kind of ill.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It is, it is. Because, like, that, what that means is, like, now as far as, like, you know what it mean, you know what I got to tell you. Yeah, I got to the audience, though. Yeah, like, well, yeah, so, like, you know, now, like, you can get, you could place, place your music, like, you know what I'm saying, if you want to get it in, you got to, you know, minus the beats, but even if you might be able to, you know, strike the whole deal. Howl at the producers, yo, look, yo, dude, they want, they want to put this in, Fast and Furious, 12 or something, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's a whole different revenue screen that he was again before.

Hell yeah, so, you know, that's, that's big, man. And the dude, um, uh, Marat from, from her fellas. Okay. He, he, the one that hired at me about that. About your publishing. Yeah, when I was locked up, he hit me up on the kiosk. Right. He was like, yo, you know, public giving that back and all that.

So that out, yeah, so he gave me the lawyer's number and all that. So not only that is after 20-something years, after 20 years, you get your master's back. Yeah, I understand. I'm not understanding. I don't got a full understanding of that. Yeah, so, so it depends on what you sign, because. back then they had standard contracts right but then there was some particularly so a lot of people they hit 20 years and they masters or come back to them some is 45 and some is like 30 okay

but every one of us have that limit we have that in our contract like it's oh unless we were that word perpetuity oh wow that word perpetuity worldwide universe they that shit was crazy yeah that word perpetuity throughout the universe it's a very dirty word that's dirty yeah It's a very dirty bird. How will the fuck they're going to put that in a contract? We can't even even fortuity. We can't even pronounce that shit. Like, if they don't say something, we don't know?

Hell, yeah. They're going to use the shit in Venus when we die? Like, what the father? That's crazy that they can actually claim our rights after you're dead. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. Because you know what? There's your family and there's estates, and that's why they do that.

They don't want your estate to get anything. Damn. And that's dirty. Yeah, that's like, come on, bro. That's dirty. You can't get that. That's why I like what we're doing with Drink Champs podcast, Dream Chams Network. Everyone who signs to us, they own their own stuff.

We do not want to be responsible. We want to put you in the right way. We can't. Really, we're just trying to set you up, and then you could go. He could go, yes. We want to practice what we preach. So everybody, we got Mimbleek, we got Angela Simmons. We got grumpy OGs, we got fatherhoods, we got watch stalkers, we got a run champs, healthy high.

And every single one, we're setting up as their own entity. No one, so if it doesn't- I forgot Mr. Lee speaks English. That's a new podcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a comedy. Oh, Mr. Lee speaks cocaine.

That sounds like a much better. But that's what I love. what we're doing like you know what I'm saying like I want to practice we and I think all the industry should be like that but let me let me get back to that that giving back the publishing shit I thought that was the honorable shit because you never heard Interscope do that right you never heard Sony music do that never heard that never heard a Columbia to do that you never heard a deaf jam to do that like this is a personal person who did

that I think that's that was I want to reverse things a little bit further back Okay. For you, when you were just a hip-hop kid, like, what are the artists that inspired you to want to rhyme? I mean, I know you said L.L. was one of them, but that, like, really shaped you as an artist and to, like, gave you that passion for hip-hop. I mean, I had to, I always tell people, Big Daddy Kane. Okay. Kane and Rakim. It's like, you ain't picked between King and I couldn't. You're like, both, both, both.

Yeah, hell yeah, because those, those brothers, like, literally, like, You know, I used to, we used to just stare at the paid a full album cover like, damn. Like, look at that. The crew, their crew, yeah, like, you see his shame. Like, you know, what I used to be like, damn. You got me remembering this. Hell, you know.

Yeah, you know, you know, he was smooth with it. You know, this is, you know, his, you know, his wordplay and all that, the stuff he used to say, to pick a B.C. Degg's your history, like, dude's like, you know what I mean? So those, those dudes, like, that was kind of, you know, You know, I had a big five, you know what I mean? King. Top five, man.

Yeah, top five. Kane, by Kim, Koojeevap, K.R. And I would have to say, you know, you know, but, nah. Well, how many did I name this now, four, right? You pick four, yeah. You can go six. Oh, where it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what was that dude back then, no, to me, special ad. Special ad, yeah. Yeah, special ed was that dude. Big of a special dad. And he sees a lot of slack for coming on this show. No, just because of that one comment, but... Yeah, that's my man. But he said that West, he said the West Coast

is literally the people who were in him. And by the way, I did not hate that. I mean, we're probably messing up what he actually said. I'm messed up there. And by the way, and by the way, I did see it. I'm glad we brought this up. Someone AI does. And changed the.

up the question a little bit. No, they edited. They edit it. They edit it. They chopped it up. That's what happened all day long. And I see Special Ed say, oh, that's the show who did that. And that wasn't us at all.

Like, we don't, we don't, we don't do that. We just sprouted out about air. It's not. He's not. But, um, I want to share something because you said L.L. Wait, did we finish the top? Yeah, you said, um, Special Ed. Oh, Special Ed was here.

Yeah, Special Ed. Or you want to throw in LL to? I didn't say LHRF? You didn't say L. Oh, yeah. The Queens and me caught that. Yeah, hell, you. Okay.

Who from there is Harlem? Yeah, that's real. It really wasn't no Harlem, Harlem, like, like, represented at that time? The only person that was kind of out. Duggy Fresh. Duggy Fresh. Teddy Riley?

Teddy Riley. Teddy Riley. Um, Rob Bass. And listen. Do sleep on Rob Bass. You cannot sleep on Rob Bayton. Yeah, let me say something. Rob Bass is in my playlist.

Like, hell yeah. It takes two. It takes two. It takes two. It's one of it. I think it's one. That is one of the biggest records in hip hop. That's in fact.

And you play that record. And you be like, why? You listen to it. You'd be like, but you just want to listen to it. It's the greatest record. And by the way, by the way, what I see. I didn't even know they were hard in honesty because I'm in Miami. They're still touring.

They're still touring. I don't know if you remember. Lefrak had a party. What, bro? He had Rob Ace. He had Toll Oak. He had, uh... Damn, who else's fucking here?

Knowning by nature. So they're still touring. Damn. They still touring. Yeah, I can imagine. Easy Rock passed away. Yeah, but Robbiz is still around and he's still out there. And who did I see?

I seen Chuck Rock the other day. Chub Rock is killing it still, man. Yeah. He's mad smart. I've never had a dumb conversation with Chubb Rock. And we need them on Dreamtons. And I have a lot of dumb conversations. Like, I'm just a dumb conversation guy.

Like, I like that. Okay. What's your first favorite place to perform? Would that I performed or would like to perform? Both, yeah. I would have to say Madison's Great Guard, and I would love to rock out. Yeah, okay. I haven't performed there, unfortunately, though.

But we performed one time in Nassau, in Nassau. That was the time that we saw each other time. Nassau is in, you're talking about Bahamas Nassau or Nassau in Long Island? In Long Island. Okay, okay. Yeah, we performed there one time in that day, you know, the crowd was just crazy, like, man, you know, the whole arena. You know, that was, that was an ill-filling, you know what I'm saying? And where would you, so that's the place you did perform?

Yeah. Where's the place you were. Is it Madison Square Rock? Oh, you said, Madison Square Garden. Hell yeah, hell yeah. I love the rock. man once in a time,

man, Madison Scrit Garden, bro. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. It's fucked up. As much as I did

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sure belongs to all of us. So listen to there are no girls on the internet on the IHurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, oh shit. I'm the only one of the day to turn my phone off, huh? You never do. Yeah, you know.

Your phone is disrespectful all the time on Drink, Chan. So, did you meet your wife before or you met her after? Well, yeah, I met her, I met her, like, mid, mid-bed. Okay. is it bit or bid You would know better to me You would know better yeah But I would always heard that's bid

Yeah BID BID yeah yeah yeah But maybe we have it all wrong I heard somebody say bit like an old school dude I was like He's probably the original and knows more than us Yeah in fact Chat GPT don't fuck this all right

Yeah yeah Yeah so yeah we met We met like around 2015 Okay I was locked up. A friend of mine from our hour. She's from a kid named Lata. You know, he got the blow-it-up TV joint, you know what I'm saying?

He was podcasting. He was broadcasting his thing on Facebook, and she kind of chimed in. And she was like, you know, he was talking about me. He was like, yo, my brother's locked up. You know, shout to him. She chimed in. Yo, yeah, tell him I said, hold his head, you know, stuff. like that. One, two, three.

Aw. You know what I mean? Shout out to her, man. She, you know, she kind of was kind of just that, you know, that support that, you know, I didn't have at the time, you know what I mean? Of course. She just wanted to, she was like, so, so my aunt was also on that same publication. And then she kind of like, oh, look, I could give me a number.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she wingman. Yeah, she was like, well, I can, you know, I could connect y'all to. And the next, you know, one thing left to another, we started talking over the phone, you know, that was, you know, we just hit it off. Shout to your arm for that.

Yeah, shout out of the heart to, you know. God bless her soul, man. She passed away, too. So let me ask you the biggie question. Did you ever think the hip-hop or make it this far? Hell no, man. I didn't either.

Hell no, like, I couldn't see the... Some days I think like that, and then some days I'd be like, nah. Yeah, yeah, like, nah, I could see, like, especially, especially, like, days like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you wouldn't, I would never think, like, wild style. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it just seemed like something that was a, was a thing, like, graffiti, like, you know what I mean? Right. And, and them spikes that they used to wear back in the days, boy, I'm glad I wasn't in that era.

Hell yeah, yeah. Yeah, they were wild. Yeah, they was wild, and that was, they was damn near all, uh, doing the warrior. The Warriors Yeah. Lou Bataugh tried to re-create it and it didn't work.

I remember they were following like, like, like, like, following Parliament and that whole ride and like,

it was following certain things that they was taken from. You gotta give them some credit. Oh, you're talking about, the Warriors?

No, like that era of hip-hop, they was taking like their style from like parliament from like George Clinton and them's little guys

and different things. Like they, I saw they were parts in their style together. Yeah, they was wilder. Yeah.

Yeah, that's just crazy. Who's the fly's barrel to you? I mean, like, all boroughs got their flair to it. You could say Miami. I would say Miami? Miami's a borough? No, no, no. We're in a county.

It's a county. We're a city. Dade County. That's a Dade County. I said Miami, right? Well, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, have to be biased because I lived in I lived in Harlem you know what I mean so I know what I know from Harlem you know what I'm saying but I'm not going to lock queen's dudes god damn damn give it up yeah give it up

queen's dudes give it up give it up god damn give it up give it up god damn I don't like right next to Harlem I would definitely say not New Yorkers but Harlem is a part of Manhattan though yeah yeah but you know what's crazy it wouldn't be a burrow by itself yeah it ain't even a burrow no but it is a burrow by itself it's its own world I know it's its own world but I'm saying that's why they call it Harlem world let me give it that you and I'm from Queens And I'm going to give it up for the Harlem right now. Like, it truly is its own world. And it's different parts of that world.

The Spanish Harlem. Yes, you go to Spanish Harlem. You can go to Dyckman. And now, Dykman is baby Dominican Republic. Well, see, the Dominican area. The Heights. The Heights. Yeah, yeah.

I got a lot of friends. I think Dykeman is a part of the Heights. I think it's like the... What about Alphabet City? Is that... Alphabet is way downtown. That's L.E. That's not Hall of.

That's not Hall of. That's not Hall of. That's considered LHAL. Ellie yes, yes. But I will give Harlem this. One million percent their own world. Like, if you, if you know all New York City, if you don't go to Harlem, Harlem is a whole, it's a whole other giant. You know what was dope when we recorded Drink Chams and the Rough Riders episode. That was in the Middle Harlem, right? I remember when we crossed to go to the Bologna, and people were stopping in the street, drink chance, the love was ill there. See, that's what I mean, like, right, yeah, like, but, you know, what I, what I mean, with Harlem, Harlem, Harlem is like, it's a certain type of style of fly, you know what I mean? And Queens is a certain type of style of fly, like, you know what I mean? That's what I mean, like, they both fly burrow.

Right, you know what I'm saying? It's different, though. Yeah, it's just different ways, like, you know what I'm saying? So let me ask you, right, being from Harlem, right, and having all these other stars come from Harlem, is that more pressure on you, or is it least pressure on you because you're like, man, I'm just, going to be a part of the great. Yeah, I think it's kind of like a duality.

Like, it's kind of like Yeah, it's like pressure in a way, but then but then like you, at the end of the day, you're like, shit, I'm from here. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I get to, you know,

you feel like, you know, it's the psychological thing, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I think it's just, you know, it's just, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you're going to do you or not, you know what I mean? And there's a lot of history of Harlem. Like, Harlem is historic.

Yeah. And I just realized, me, Cam, Mace, Imond Thug, and Tragedy, we got a freestyle called the Tri-Barrow Bridge. And I didn't, on a DJ Clue on album. And I didn't realize that Tri-Berrearrow Bridge only goes from Queens to Harlem, right? Oh. Tri-Berrero Bridge goes to the Bronx? Thanks.

I never knew that. You really had to teach you with Frills. Oh, Triborough, okay, yeah. Try. Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know that even. Good one.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was just, I fucked up. Because, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's true.

Yeah. I would never knew that even. All right. Damn. Ah. The sake. Like at the sake. I like at the sake.

So. What do you think? Uh. Jim Jones and Nas. I mean, I just think, I just think, again, like, those are just two different kinds of things. Like, you know what I'm saying? Nas kind of, you know, he kind of pushed hip hop forward. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Like, if it wasn't for him, like, our whole era was, like, it wouldn't be the same. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he kind of, like, opened the door. for dudes that was on the corner dudes that was, you know what I'm saying? Kind of like, you know. And he next up from Rakim, intellectually, boom, nah.

Yeah, yeah, you know, the younger generation at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he next thing. Right, like, you know how, like, as we get older, like, these kids are getting sharper and sharper, like, you know what I'm saying? And dumber and dumber, though, too. Yeah, at the same time. But him, he was the era of sharper and sharper.

Yeah, like, you know what, because you listen to that first album, he was only like, what, like 17? Super young. Like, you hear this, he's saying? And it's like... Like, I'm like, so, I'm like... He's still smarter than me back then. Like, he's been now.

Like, now. Like, you're just, like, pulling from some, some type of, you know, some acostic record and some shit. Like, you know, so, like, when you, you know, like, that whole thing, I, you know, I just was like, I can't see where bro is coming from, you know what I mean? No, it's love. Yeah, it's love. But, um, I just love hip hop, man. Yeah. I love hip hop when.

when you can put yourself in the category and it can actually mean something that shit is just to me it's dumb to me it's dope so. So what we're doing? We dropped the album. What's my man name?

The drink? Yeah, shizzy bando. Shizzy bando. Shizzy bando. We drop in a follow-up? Well, we actually dropping another album called Off the Count.

That's kind of That he's producing? No, he didn't produce this one. But we're definitely going to do a stay ready too. Okay. He's, he has the projects out too, so he's going to, you know, he's a producer as well. So he has, like, things going on. So we got to kind of wait for that to, you know, for time to permit, you know what I mean?

But we got this album coming out now, of course, called Off the Count. It's kind of just like the whole clinical of me. being locked up, like from when I got locked up. Oh, for the countdown to the home? Yeah, yeah, all the way, you know what I'm saying? So it's 50, thank you, so it's 15 songs and it's all in order, you know what I mean? And when I turn myself in, yeah, so that album, that's the next up, you know what I'm saying? And we got, and I also have...

Mix up when you turn yourself in all the way to the day you got out? Yeah, the last... You got to do a book with that as well. Yeah, that's all I was going to say. The last, we got a book called, um, uh, uh, memoirs of a credible messenger. And we're going to try to package it with the album and stuff like that. We're just trying to figure out, you know, the technology side of that. Charles Schufe, Shuster.

Well, yeah, Simon and Schuster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Charles, Sue. Howl? Howl's make something out of this episode that you get to hear. I mean, you know, that's what we, you know, we're trying to put that together. Now, this is a question I probably should have asked earlier, but I'm going to ask now. Was it ever a time you regretted turning yourself in? Nah, you did, nah.

I mean, he did say when he was walking. Yeah, at that time, I was like, just out of the fear of doing. Yeah, out of the fear of doing, you know, going. I'm like, you know, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, after I turned myself in, you know, it was just like, you know, it was no point that, that, that, I felt like it was, it was a waste of time, which is, I know it sounds like weird, though. I know, no, no, no.

You was clearing your intention. Yeah, yeah, so at that point, yeah, so at that point, yeah. So at that point, it's like, you know, you got to ask yourself probably, why I probably didn't feel any kind of way is because I'm like, you know, you did what you tried to, you know, what you were, you know, set out to do, you know what I mean? Right, right. You, you know, you set things right for his family, whoever, you know,

his family, you know, you're working on yourself, you know what I mean? So it was like... Yeah, whatever you believe in, whether it's like your soul needed to deal with some or your karma needed to do, you was dealing with you. Yeah, I was kind of dealing with it. So I really didn't have any regrets, you know, certain things I would feel, you know, I would feel it though, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn, like, damn, if I wasn't locked up.

You know, you know, you know what I used to feel mostly when I was, when I was, when I was, when I was locked up, that I would, that I would, like, kind of not regret, but I would, like, be, like, you know, kind of long and full. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I would write stuff. What, rhymes? Yeah, rhymes. And I would think it was just crazy. Like, you know what I mean?

Super duper. And I'm like, damn, I can't. No instant feedback. Who the fuck you got to tell it to? Rob next door. He was just like, oh, word. Like, they don't like everything you spit. Oh, my God.

They're like, that's all. Hell, yeah. I don't believe you, man. This right here's going to take me, take you where, bro. Ain't going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? So it was one of them things. So what was your actual sentence?

Oh, 15 in life. Which you did 13 and something, right? Yeah, I did 13 in like seven months. Whoa. Man. Yeah, man. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. Because I don't know nobody else in your...

I'm going to keep asking questions because I don't know nobody else in a situation. in life I'm fucking 47 years old I've traveled the country seven times your story is like I was so happy when we're like yo we're going to have G depth

because I like I honestly really think you're one of like the most genuous people on earth like you know what I'm saying like I really say I said that earlier and I said you honorable

but it even gets more into depth as I talk to you, you know what I'm saying? As we go through this, you know what I'm like? I feel like I'm a therapist, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is how I do it. You ain't drinking, but usually I break it and get down. At this point, you're like, yeah, ah. He suffered you're doing that.

Nah, but listen, nah, bro. I've never really heard of this. And I'm asking you, because I, this is honestly something I want to know. So even, like, during the bid, like, you didn't regret it? You didn't say, like, man, I made a mistake. Like, you didn't say that to yourself? Nah, I can't say that I didn't sometimes regret it because, like, you want to be out. You know what I mean?

You want to be home. Right. You have your human. Stuff happens. Like, damn, I wish I was home for that. Like, no. Oh, my goodness. Don't worry about it.

Your flowers are secure. Sorry. Don't worry about it. That's why they're in a case. Sorry, no. Okay. So, but. You're good, you're good, you're good.

But I can. But I can't say, I can't, I can't say that I feel like I made a mistake, though. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I felt like, you know, like, it never felt like, damn, I shouldn't have did that. Like, you know what I mean? I never, I can't say I felt that way. Okay.

Now, you could answer this, whichever way you want. Did you notice these people family? Did you see their family? What made you say, yo, let me, let me just go in. You didn't even know you had killed them. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know I killed them. When you went in, I didn't know his family.

No, I didn't know his family. I just, it was something where, you know, I experienced with my family one day. You know what I mean? Like, that's what kind of made me really start thinking about it. Yeah, what happened? Yeah, with my family. Like, I was sitting there with, I think it was like a Christmas. You know what I mean?

It was just so beautiful. Like, you know what I mean? Right. To be with my sons, you know, I had, you know, you know, I felt like, you know, a father. you know, I had bought them they Gibson, you know what I'm saying? You know, so, you know, just sitting there with them and made me realize like, damn, what happened to bro?

Like, I wonder if his family, like, did he have kids? Did he have, I started thinking about it. You didn't know the person? Nah, I didn't know him. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I started thinking about it. So it was a random argument or something?

Yeah, it was just, you know, I just, you know, one day, I always, you know, as after it happened, even as a young and I was like, you know, I started, you know, I always was like, fearful of what happened that night, you know what I mean? Like, I would get locked up, and I would think the cops knew, you know what I mean? Like, it was just something unrelated. It was haunting you. Yeah, it was definitely haunting me, you know what I'm saying?

So, you know, as I got older, like, I started asking myself some serious questions, you know what I mean? Damn. And I'm like, how else could you figure out what happened to this man? You know what I mean? So I said, all right, you know what? So you didn't know, you just thought you had a dude. Yeah, okay, you actually got peter. Yeah, nah, nah.

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He was like, yo. When you say he's like, you're talking about the police officers. Yeah, the prosecutor, actually. Wait, the prosecutor was at the precinct? Yeah, they called him down to the precinct. Immediately? Immediately. First, first.

I've never heard. Word. The prosecuting. He looked up the files. No, no, no, no. Not immediately. I'm sorry. What they did was like they kind of, they looked into it.

And then once they seen that, that it, matched up because they was like, yo, what was you wearing that day? And I was like, yo, I had this on. I remember that what I had. You're like basically telling them Yeah, because this is unheard of. So they can think that you're like a psych patient. Yeah. They have to, they have to evaluate you. Yeah, yeah. Well, not. Actually, actually, actually

at that point, they were like taking me serious. Like, you know, you know, the railroad, the railroad system at the end of the day. They like, well, we got one. Whoever he is. Yeah, they want to cross out like, oh, there's an unsolved murder. Yeah, they're like, okay, He could be bad out of hell. What are your first words you said to them? You said, I want to admit to a crime?

Yeah. To a crime because he didn't know what the extent of that crime. Yeah. When I came in, I was like, um, you know, because I had came in before that. They turned you. I heard that. Is that true? Yeah.

They turned you away? Yeah, they turned me away. Right? That's wild. They was like, yo, all right. And that's, look, not for nothing, but it's crazy that you kept going back. Right. So this is what happened, right?

So you were genuine. bro, y'all. You're a real one of my mind. I'm trying to get this, you know, I'm trying to get it behind you. Yeah, get it behind me, right? So I had another album coming out. I'm going to put that ghetto legend album out.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I'm like. And this album was the one bad boy? No, this album was on Bad Boy? No, this was the album I dropped in 2010. Okay. With like famous records, the dude of Jeffrey Collins. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. So, so. Still popping. We still doing our thing. I love something. You can, like, show. You know what I mean? So I finally get another album, a record deal, an album deal.

Dude is like, yo, listen, we're going to push it, da-da-da-da-da. So I'm like, I don't want to go through this with this album, you know, with the same stuff on my mind and all that. I said, you know what? I'm going to get to the bottom of it, right? So I goes to the precinct. I says, yo, look, I did such, such, such, da-da-da. He looked at me like, I was crazy.

He was like, he said, really? That's what you did? he said that's so you did that he said ah you know what take this card call me we're gonna give me your number he's like give me a detective

or this is a detective or this is a detective he was like all right give me because you know I go to go to the precinct like they at the desk like you know what I mean before you go in the prison it was like another like that's right so I go to them

he was like yo he said yo so give me your number I gave him my number he gave me his card he was like yo I'm going to call you if we find out anything in what you're talking about. He asked me a few questions like, you know,

what day? When was it? I was like, yo, it was in the winter, like back in the 90s, 93, 92. He was like, okay. He was like, we're going to look into it. He was like, like, like I said, gave me the number, boom. So I leaves. I'm like and then I said you leave. Yeah, let you leave. Right, yeah, they let me leave. Boom. He was like,

I beat it, right? So I, so they never caused me. And I, lost the phone, like maybe like a week later, I lost the phone and his car, right? So now I'm like, damn, now I'm still not going to know what happened.

Right. You know what I mean? So I was like, I'm going back just one last time. And if they don't say nothing this time, I was going to leave it alone. Like, you know what I mean? The second time or the second time?

The second time. You know what I mean? So I go, I go and that was the time I'm like, I can't believe. You know what I'm saying? You're doing it. You know what I'm saying? That's what you're saying to you're saying to you're

Yeah, this was probably it. Yeah, like, I was. I'm like, okay, this is, and if it was going to be it, either way. Like, you know what I mean? It was going to be like, this is going to be the last time I'm coming here. If they don't, you know, if they turn me away this time, this is it, you know? So, but, you know, I went in and boy was like, you know, this is, you know. Was it the same detective or was?

Nah, it was some different, different dudes. And, you know, once I told him something, he kind of was like, like, how would you know that? Like, you know what I was like, yo, I think I said, I think I said, I was riding a bike. then that's what made him catch the entrance like he kind of because they knew whatever whatever did it

they like they knew it was a bike involved right and he was like he just went in the back and he was like yo he kept asking me stuff

like yo so like what was you wearing that night and I was like I had a brown jacket on brown sleeves he was like so I guess

they already had the description of the dude you know what I'm saying they was like yo damn you know what I mean so then so then he came back

it was like yo come come on back here for me minute, you know? So then, so then they, they spoke to me a little bit more. Not cuffing you, not cuff. I'm in like the interrogation room, you know what I'm saying? And they like, yo, we got the prosecutor coming to see you, you know what I'm saying? So at this point, I'm pretty sure they already knew, you know what I mean? So they was like, yo, we got the prosecutor coming to see you. He's going to ask you some questions, you know what I'm saying? So then they made me sit there for about a half hour. He pulls up.

and then he was just, you know, da-da-da, you know. Because this is the guy who took the case, so he knows all of the details. Yeah, he knows all the details. So he's telling me, yo, he's like, yo, so that night, who were you with? Like, you know, he started getting crazy,

like, really, like, you know, investigating what's going on. Camera? Yeah, I'm on camera, you know. Who were you with? What were you wearing? What was you, what time was it? You know, stuff like that.

I'm answering him. I'm like, oh, yeah, I was by myself. I was out there. Who was you doing? Like, I was trying to, you know, I thought I was going to rob him and you know you grab you know stuff like that you know and then he was like yo um so after after after i was and then i try i kind of interrupted him i was like yo what happened to the guy you know what

mean and then he was he kept talking you know what i mean asking me this and that then he was like yo by the way the guy died i was like how did that hit you at that point i was like like so now all my life i'm like a different kind of dude until i hit you You know what I mean? Like, I didn't think I killed nobody, you know what I'm saying? Right. And when they told me that I was like, damn, like, damn, I'm like a murderer now. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So it was like, it was like, wow. You know what I mean? And then, you know, then they just kind of like, just like put me through the whole process after that. You know what I mean? They wasn't really, they was like, yo, yo, thanks for, you know, coming in and all that. Did they give you any, like, special treatment because you actually came in on this? Yeah, I mean, they just, you know, gave me, you know, showed a little. like kind of like you know respect for what I did like you know what I mean and it was like

yo well man I mean thanks for coming in man but yeah man you know so they started you know you know the other offices they were kind of just trying to you know kind of just trying to you know kind of be nice about it you know because they knew yeah they knew it was about to go down they was like yo look man you know you know you want a soda like right you know because you know obviously I never got that's crazy man but to a certain extent rappers we get a little bit a privilege, right? When we, at what point did they discover that this person who just admitted to a homicide is also G. Depp, the rapper?

I don't know. I can't even tell you like when they figured it out. I know, I know I got, when I got to the precinct, you know, I mean, when I got, you know, situated and went to the tombs and all of that, and then I called home. I got to call home. That's when, you know, my moms and all of them told me, yo, you know, you're all the news and all of all that stuff. So I don't know how they translated it, you know what I mean? But I'm not sure if they knew. They might have knew.

They didn't violate by having the cameras out. Like, you know how they always have the person handcuffed and going to the car? They didn't do that. Nah. So they respected that. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know if they knew or not at that point.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? They might have, but they, it was like late. They just took me in the car, cuff me, you know what I mean, took me down town. You know what I mean? And condones us to the family of that place. Yeah, for sure, man. His brother-in-law, you know, came to some of the,

some of the proceedings, you know what I mean? How was that? I mean, I, you know, I was just there doing what I was doing, you know what I mean? He, you know, he felt like, you know, I kind of, like, opened up an old wound, kind of, so to speak. Yeah. Because, I mean, I mean...

Like, basically, he didn't want you to admit. Yeah, he was like, you know, he should have just... I mean, he said it in papers, like, you know? He was like, yo, he should have just left it alone. Like, you know what I mean? I mean, if you think about it, it is old wounds being opened up. I mean, you know what I mean? That's how you felt.

That's definitely how you felt. He was like, yo, the family, he was kind of over it, you know, and like, you know what I'm saying? And I was, you know what I'm saying? Right. He was whaling on me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Excuse my language. I'm being frank.

You know what I'm saying? And it's a serious situation, you know? Yeah, you know what I mean? So, you know, I get it, though, you know, at the end of the day, you know. Oh, man, you, yo, I salute you, man. Like, I always, like, you know, heard bits and pieces of the story. And I kind of, like, you know, maybe didn't even want to ask these questions on here. Like, just on a personal level, like, you know what I'm saying?

Because, like, what you did is real. Like, I've never heard of nothing like this. I don't think nobody's ever done what you've done. And, like, I see you like a man's man. Like, I look at you like a man's man. You know what I'm saying? Like, and, like, down to, like, even your music. Like, I'm trying to hear the bitterness in your music.

I'm trying to hear, like, and I'm like, damn, like, you actually went through this in a real way. Like, and it's crazy because a lot of people can't relate to that shit. And that's the reason why I ask you the question, like, two or three times in a different way is because I want the people to see how genuine like I kind of know my audience you know what I'm saying so I want the people to see how genuine

you are and that's that's and look let's be honest like that's amazing story we can like the family's you know forever you know like you never could make up for what has happened to that family right but you have done what you can to atone for what you've done and you did your time

you know I'm saying and all you could do is be the better human being that you you're trying to be right now, so. Yeah, that's how I feel about it, you know, at this point, you know? So, so, so, so you didn't see our out, you didn't, you, you, you, you, you had time served. I mean, I mean, I mean, um, you had good behavior. Because you said you did 13 out of 15 to life. Yeah, no, I, I wound up getting clemency.

Okay. Yeah. What is that for people who, who gave you clemency? Like, it was a, uh, governor, governor, governor, governor gave me, uh, credit, uh, clemency. She gave me executive clemency It wasn't really to like Because I don't think they can give you clemency If you have a murder

Okay They got to kind of Just let you go to the parole board early So what they did it The parole board decided Yeah, yeah So they just basically commuting my sentence At 13, at 13 years

And then I went to the board And the board let me go Wow Yeah Oh you still had to see the board Yeah I still had to see the board they, um, they gave me clemency, came to my, my, my, my unit.

Right. Yo, go, the supervisor, I want to see you. I go down, talk to her. She gave me the, you know, no, she didn't give me a certificate then, but she told me everything, yo, look, you know, the governor granted you clemency. She read, she read the certificate. That she did. She said, you know, you've been here by, you know, granted, you know what I mean?

I'm like, wow, you know, and she was like, she was real nice about it. And, um, and then like, and I'm saying, I'm like, all right, so. when I go home at this point you know what I mean she's like nah what it is you gotta you gotta go to parole

you know parole is gonna decide whether you go home so what exactly is clemency what is that it's just basically like it's a pardon

it's a pardon it's a pardon it kind of like kind of like just because they they don't they don't just like

wipe your record clean apart and they'll wipe your record clean, you know what I'm saying? It's not as clean as a park. Yeah, a clemency, like, they kind of just let you out of jail. Like, it's kind of like a... Like, you did your time, we're going to let you out lower. Yeah, like... Did you reach out to the governor, or the governor just heard about your case

and seen you, you stepped it up, so they wanted to do that? Nah, it was actually, um, it was weird. I came... I'm not weird, but it was, you know, praise and creator. It was one of them things. I came in from, you know, regular jailing, you know what I'm saying? And I go in, I look on the key. You know, on the kiosch joint they got, and I get an email from a lawyer.

Stephen Zedman, my clemency lawyer. Yo, look, we, you know, my name is Stephen Zedman, did the introduction, you know what I'm saying? You know, I run a clemency group and, you know, a bunch of kids from, you know, NYU or one of the colleges, you know, we give people out of jail. your case was brought to my attention by the by the DA the actual DA the same DA same DA the DA and the judge he was like yo your case was brought to my attention by the DA and the judge and they suggest that we help you get out that's crazy and I was like so when I finally got to talk to him

he was like yeah the DA was like yo he thought they gave you a little bit too much time and the judge he said yo we didn't want to give him that time we had to give him that time Right. So then they was like, yo, you know, then they just worked on my case from that. You know what I'm saying? From there, I just did, I followed, you know, I went through, you know, all the emotions, you know,

wrote my personal statement, you know, all of that stuff got the letters, you know, letters of intent from people and stuff like, not letters of intent. I forgot what you called. You know, just character statements and stuff like that. And then we just put it in. Well, man.

Well. I'm taking a, shot, but I don't know, I'm not sure. Like, what? Take a water shot. You're one of the strongest people, I know my brother. You could have did it, too. A spirit was, what, would it move with you?

Oh, man, I don't know if I got that spirit. I'm just to be honest. I'm a foul, nigga. It's all right. But, oh, yo, man, thank you for your honesty, man. You know what I'm saying? It's all good. Like, you know, first of all, I don't have an experience

to talk about things like this. And, like, again, we're in the same industry so I get to hear bits and pieces and I never really understood the whole story like how you just explained it and

I know the industry is going to eat this up as well they're going to be like wow because I've searched you all for the two weeks that we were and I didn't see you explain this

like the way you just explained this you know what I'm sad and I'm just scared to kind of ask. Oh, good. Because, you know, there's two things that we get when we interview people. There's always somebody to say, hey, you don't want to ask this, all right? And then we say, we don't want this motherfuckers.

Tell them get the fuck away. If I can't ask you something, I don't want. And we know it's sensitive regardless. Yours is different. Yours is carved out. It was like, you know, him, it's a sensitive thing. And then there's another thing is, um, I bet on the people's on time. I lost to you today.

Damn it, man. I lost. I bet on you. I bet on you. I was like, yo, G. Dev is going, he's, he's the military. He'll be here on time, and I lost. Yeah, I lost. I lost. I'm working on that. I'm working on that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, you gave you time. Now you got to be on time, goddammit. Yo, man, thank you so much, man. Whiteby, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Yo, listen, man, I promise you. I promise you. you, bro. Like, one, I'm gonna reiterate what I said earlier. We went through your album. Yo, your shit is fucking fire. I can't believe. I can't believe, like, you still got it.

Like, I can't believe. And we got to, you, you have a song on there that's called. You still got it, right? Yeah, hell, yeah, hell, yeah. We have a segment on our shit that we're doing now. Let me see if you still got it. And it's about, like, we're going to do the freestyle segment, like how rap city.

So it's crazy that me and you, It's on the same level. But, yo, man, thank you, man. Thank you. Really appreciate you telling our story. I really appreciate your honesty. Really appreciate your genuineness. And I really appreciate your honor, man.

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