Drink Champs - Episode 467 w/ Southside and Fuse of 808 Mafia

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, Southside and Fuse of 808 Mafia! The Champs sit down with two of the masterminds behind the sound that shook hip hop to its core—Southside and Fuse of 808 Mafia. Known for crafting some of the hardest-hitting beats of the last decade, the producers open up about their rise, their legacy, and the wild journey of building one of the most respected production collectives in the game. Southside, the fearless architect of the 808 Mafia sound, dives deep into his come-up, his relentless grind, and the way he’s pushed the culture forward with his signature dark, aggressive beats. Fuse, the other half of the duo, shares stories of studio sessions, the chemistry between producers and artists, and how the Mafia turned raw energy into platinum records. Together, they reflect on working with legends like Future, Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, and countless others who helped define an era. Of course, in true Drink Champs fashion, the episode is packed with laughs, raw truth, and plenty of shots. Southside and Fuse celebrate their wins, address their struggles, and give flowers to those who inspired them—cementing why 808 Mafia will always be a cornerstone of hip hop history. Make some noise for Southside and Fuse of 808 Mafia! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com   Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I looked at these brothers of Skagography, and I went through it, and I came to the realization that they don't know how to not make a head. every record that these brothers is involved with and a part of it's your everyday records that you hear every day for sure i'm sitting back and i'm so like proud of y'all and it's only one thing that i could probably complain about and is that i ain't got once That's a good Let me need You let me know

That's a solid complaint You got it Yo I'm just be honest I want to get straight into it Let's be a motherfucker Hey no Hey barrio

Let's let's let's go Yeah Now Holy moly I'm just In the car Vibing I'm going through the playlist

And I'm like Every So let's take it from the beginning All right. How did this start? We in Atlanta, we know that. Miss Deb, Deb Anthony. You know, I was signed a Deb.

Walker? Walker? Yeah, you know, I met all Walker's like, shit that's like shit that's first shit. I made all that shit. Me Alex Lugar, yeah. Wow. Yeah, I was signed up.

So Queens got something to do with this. Sure, yeah. Sure, yeah. It's like my second home. My love, Queens. Okay, okay. So, okay. But Waka, like, really, Waka and Wu put me into it, like, all the way.

So, and I just went from there, and I started working with Gucci. You know what I'm saying? And then I got with Future. Then when I got with Future, it just, like, it's over with. I ain't going to lie. When I realized that I did Marsh Madness. Oh, yeah. Like, that was the record.

Yeah. I didn't understand what I was listening to. Yeah. Just like. So, you know, I got to, I started this shit. Because what I realized was, like, in music, the super producer groups were this niggas, like, for real, and, like, you know, the Neptune, like, you know, the Neptune, like, you know, so it wasn't none in our generation. So I had, like, I got fused. I had Tarantino, like, Tarantino really made March Madness.

He was signed to me, too, like, but it was like 11 of us. You know what I'm? So let's break down that, right? That's a big team, man. Yeah, yeah. Because 808 Mafia, let's break that down. Yeah, let's, let's. Show love to, yeah, everybody that's in the camp.

Okay. Ah, yeah, so it started with me and TM88. Because that's 808, right? You get a lot of money, man I'm sure That's just gleeve me like that It started on me in TM 88 And then it's just like I had

I got fused I got a trade pounds It's D-Y I got a new kid named Schmat And I make everything Right now, that's a lot of us But it's like 20 us now But it started off like 11 us

Like so But everybody had something different Like fuse would do like currency And um Big Sean shit Because I can't do everything You know what I'm saying And I wasn't stingy

And there's different styles in the team Yeah Yeah but we still got Yeah but it's still like the same Like you know Like a signature shout for the whole crew The beats he used to make That I fell in love with

Did he made Like he don't even make them no more Like you know what I'm saying I was like sample I'm from New York Yeah So you know I mean So would you describe your style

As more like Hip hop hip hop? He can do that though I could do that I could do that I do all the New York shit But it was just like I was flipping samples

But putting trap beats on I'm putting the trap drums on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what... He kind of opened me up to that. Like, I was like, damn, I wouldn't even... Because I was making anything from scratch, making them from scratch, making trap shit like that.

Which that's kind of the norm now for across the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We made that cool. Yeah, yeah, sure. Not for sure. For sure. No, I ain't going to lie, bro. I'm going to brag for y'all.

I feel like this last decade, been your decade. For sure. Like, when I'm going through this discography, I'm like, holy shit, you motherfuckers made everything. Yeah, sure. So how does that feel?

I mean, I don't feel like I did enough yet. We're trying to. You know, I want to be letting there like you is. And like, you know, it's like, it's like, you know. So, cheers, cheers. All right. Because, arguably, future

for lack of a better term is the down south JZ damn I don't know why you say that that's right like like for real like I remember hearing someone compared them to

and then I said damn only people that debated that was people who actually never been to Atlanta yeah right because if you've been to Atlanta and you know that impact of future. You're talking about the status, right?

The status. Yeah. And arguably, I'm not taking anything away from future. Well, some of his biggest hits are produced by you. For sure. Yeah. I was riding in the car

and I was with JP and I was like, you know, they can never go broke. These guys. No, for sure. I was like, these guys publishing, unless they saw their publishing, they could never. So, for us, you know, New Yorkers, we love New York, right? But then for people who don't travel, we don't understand the impact that it is. We don't understand Atlanta's impact.

Yeah. Unless you actually go to Atlanta, not for sure. Atlanta was like a number three market. So I used to always frequent that, so I understand that. But to control that market. Yeah. I just need to ask y'all, how does that feel? I mean, shit, how it isn't another for me, it's like we are a family.

So I knew all these people when I was, when they was broke, when they had nothing. So it's like the, it's like, I'm rich with all my friends. I'm changing, like, you know, I'm changing history with my real friends. Like, shit feels amazing. Like, it's no fake vibes. Everything is organic. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I love it.

I love it. Like, for all of them, like, you know, for everybody. Because we all worked together. That was the thing about us to another. it wasn't no, like it wasn't a lot of separation. Like, everybody would be at one studio. You know what I'm saying? So it went hard to see Domingo's.

It wasn't hard to see future. It wasn't hard to see 21. Everybody would be in the same. It seemed like Atlanta always had that. Yeah, everybody was working together. That's what I love about Atlanta because, you know, in New York, I feel like it was a lot of crab in the barrel. I'm from the Bronx.

Okay, Bronx? Yeah. Oh, you're from grinding part of New York. All right, all right. Let's go. Yeah, like I said, I just feel like in New York, you know, there was a lot of stepping on each other's toes. and a lot of crab in the barrel shit.

Whereas in Atlanta, everybody works and supports each other. It's like one big, huge family, you know what I'm saying? Even for bro, you know what I mean, to take me from New York to tell me to come down in the air, like, you know what I mean? That's a big thing, you know? So how does that happen? Let's describe that. How did y'all do you put that?

Go ahead. Well, shit, I was just sending beats. Like, it was one of the partner that, you know, used to be around the team that used to hang around. No, no, no. One of my partners I used to go to school where he used to be around the team. And I used to send beats to him and be like, yo, get my beats to walk. or whatever. And then, you know, he'll hit me up

like, yo, Walker, you know, he used a couple of your beats last night. I'm like, oh, word, you know what I mean? That's kind of crazy. And then one day he just called me, he was like, yo, Southside, I want to talk to you. And I was just like, yo, I need you to come down to the A. I packed up next day. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't waiting for the time. I ain't left either.

Yeah. For sure. I'm double straight into the quick time. It's long. Let's go. Let's give them their flowers. Let's give them their flowers. Our show is about giving people their flowers where they can smell them. They throw us where they can tell them. Thoughts where they can think them and their drinks where they can drink them.

Off top, man. Off top because, you know what I mean? Like, I ain't going to lie to y'all. Y'all might have saved music. That's how you feel? Yeah. That's crazy. Like how y'all delivered it.

You know, You know, me, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a connoisseur, you know what I mean, of music. Like, I love, I love this shit. And when I listen to this, this geography, because, you know, dyslexic, so bear with me. And I'm just looking and I'm just like, yo, you saved, like, the last 10 summers. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Hands down.

I'm listening to all the anthems. I'm like, yo, this shit is fucking classic. So I'm so excited to have y'all here. And I'm so excited to get, I'm also going to get a beat. That's something. So let's, we go do quick as I was live? Yeah, got it already, has? Oh, hell of no.

Okay, okay. All right, cool, cool, cool. Send something. We'll take a couple shots. So I'm going to run through. I'm going to run through some. All right. Got the keys.

The only record, JZ and Fuchsia is on ever. I don't believe they never spoke again after that I made that beat in the kitchen right in the kitchen okay I need to hear this you cook eggs and the Airbnb I made it be in the kitchen on one little speaker right in the kitchen everything I love

You cooking eggs like a dude from baby boy Well I'm cooking in the kitchen In the kitchen you cook it but I sit up anywhere I go to the car right now and put it out to I'm blood awesome If it's on my mind I'm just do it right down You do it off a laptop or you're using a machine? Off a laptop.

I'm through the loose. Okay. So let's just describe this record. I got the keys. All right. So now did Kyle call you or was this future record or was it told record? Future call me and was like, hey, I need a crazy pack. Like, I need a crazy pack.

I'm doing some shit with Calder right now. Uh-huh. So I had just made like 10 beats. That's how I do. He'll call me. That's what I do. I just send him to 10 beats. He ended up hitting me back in like two hours and was like, hey, this one right here, this

this shit, don't do nothing with that. And it was I got the keys. Yeah. And I go, he said that bad gnarge, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, so he picked out the beat. Yeah. Okay. See, back then he used to just wrap on.

If I sent him 10 beats, he'll wrap on all 10 of the beats. That's a bad. Full songs? Full songs. All the whole 10, he'll wrap on. If I said him 20, he'll try to do the whole 20. That's Chris. Yeah, he's going to try something on every beat.

I got him, he's bad doing that right now. I'm like, rap on everything. So you got mad tracks that probably never came out. Oh, yeah, sure. I got 5,000 songs with him that ain't. Sure. Never came out. He got a whole, like.

He's crazy. He's just future. Just future. He liked that with every producer, like, that with every producer, like, not just me. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, so you send him 10 songs. He says the keys, he points that one out.

Yeah. And then is it, is it Collet that says I'm bringing hold to the... Yeah, I think Cala brought home. I think Cali did that and brought hold. I put that together. Do you realize how legendary that song is? No, that shit was a moment for me. Like, that was a real moment.

Even the video. Yeah, for sure. That was a moment. moment for me. Like, just even had Jay rapping on some shit for me. It was just like, I got Jay Z rapping on this shit. But did you know Jay was going to rap on it? Yeah, I know. Yeah. So, Colin said... They told us, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we know. Because this is like two of the biggest

figures. Yeah. In hip hop at the time, right? Yeah. Future and Jay. Yeah. At the time. And then later on... Even at this time. What you mean? At that time. This time, too. My bad. Not a show. You good ass? You ain't got no help.

He said, okay, he ain't got no help. He said, he ain't got no help. He's not, I just want to take, I want to take shots. Let's get straight into it. All right, you ready? All right, this is our drinking game, by the way. You're taking shots of anything? You just want to sip.

What a shot said? You got shot glasses? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got shot glasses? So we're going to give you, you know, this or that, basically. If you pick one, we're not drinking, but if you say both and neither of them, like, you really don't want to answer it. Then we drink it.

We drink it. All right. You know what I'm saying? But we drink with you. All right. We really just want to bring up stories of these people. It's not about this and anybody. It's really about bringing up stories.

You know what I'm saying? All right. So you ready? I like this first one. I'm going to take this one. Dr. Dre or Quincy Jones? Shit, Dr. Dre. Okay.

Yeah. That was easy. You ever met Dre? No, I never met Dre. Nah. No? Okay. Farrell or Kanye?

You want to take a shot. You want to take a shot. You got to give him a shot. I need a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh? Yeah, that's crazy. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

You said both of those are your favorite producers, both of them. Farrell and Ye? Holy. I just met Ferrell for the first time. When? Like two months ago. I cooked up with him for the whole day. I had him in the studio, like, tripping.

Like, he was in Paris? No, here. Okay. It was in the future. He was in there tripping, like, bro, you do this shit in five minutes, six minutes, bro. He couldn't believe this shit. Like, I fuck it for real. But you worked with Kanye on.

Yeah, I was with, I was with, I was with, I was with, I was with, I was with, like, two months when he did, Life of Pablo. Life of Pablo. Yeah, like, so how, how was that? That was life-changing. Like, yeah, goddamn, yeah, real. Like, all the shit that be in the media and shit, that ain't the year I met. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm trying to tell people.

Yeah, like, he really, like, yeah, like, I didn't, that ain't the, I don't. I don't, like, that's why I was looking like that. I don't know if he's just doing that shit for the cameras or what, because that ain't how he, he wouldn't acting like that around me. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucked up because he said it on this show, but, but then off camera, he's like a, a great. And I was real, honest with the two, like, he was playing, he was playing, he was playing, he was playing, he played a song and he played that song, he played that, everybody in the room, he's going around, coming was in a, he has come and coming, like, I love it.

Like, everybody in a room, I love it. He gets to me, I'm like, I don't like that shit. But the song? The song? What song that he played? Because I told him, like, I'm a real fan of you. Like, when he put out the song real friends, like, we were the reason he put out real friends. That was my favorite song.

He played out of all them songs. When he kept playing them, I was like, I said, that song is some yay shit. Like, I was like, the other shit just sounded too. It was just all over the place. But after I told him that, he was like, hey, can you pull up, can you come over every day? He's like, don't nobody tell me the truth. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I was like, I don't like that shit. Saloo. Cheers, man. Cheers, man. Cheers. Saloo. You know that I just found out that when you pour the sake, you're supposed to pour it over the top. What do you mean?

Do you drink socky? Yeah, I drink socks. I can't drink hot sake. I drink. I drink heavenly sake. You've been heavenly. Thank you for the commercial. Yes.

And I drink the best champagne on the market. That ain't sustained. It's all the time. All the time. John. Okay, let's go to the next one. Cool and Drear, the runners. Oh, the who?

The runners. Cool and Drake. They're a fan of Cool and Drake. That's my brother's. That's home team for us here in Miami. Okay. Future Travis Scott. Come on, bro.

Give me a shot, right? Come on. That's crazy. Teller just pour up the shot as soon as they're done with it. I guess we'll just... That's so crazy. By the way, that's the cocaine section that writes these questions

The Columbia and Dominican We don't want to come up with these questions Yeah, they come on to questions But it's because they They follow the discography All right You guys got it This night

Oh yeah, you're extended it, okay I might end up in the club tonight Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got me drinking. Yeah. All right. We ain't take this shot yet, right? Cheers.

Oh. Oh, yeah, it did. Yeah, they did take, sit. 21 Savage or Kodak Black? 21 Savage. 21. The Riza or Alchemist? I'm going to say Alchemist.

That's a good one. Yeah, I'm going to say Alchemist. That's a good one. Um, Metro booming or murder beats? Come on, now, Metro. Metro. Murder, you know? Murder the little homie, though.

But Metro overly. All right. Outcast or UG.K. From Atlanta, Georgia, man. Outcast. Okay. My daddy used to make beats for outcast. What?

Yeah. Like, that's the crazy shit. It used to rap. It was part of the Georgian family? Yeah. Okay. Like future, that's why it's shit so crazy. Because future, you go away and this kid.

Yeah. That's great. We got the third generation of that shit for. You grew up in this. Yeah, making beats for sure. That's wild. Yeah. We got to dive deep into that afterwards.

Migos or the Lox? I know you're going to. We'll take a shot. And Migos Trail, too. We'll take a shot. Break it. Dude. Ghetto Boys or 3-6 Mafia?

Mm. I'm going to say 3-6 because I'm making beats because of, you know, I'm going to say 3-6. My shit, 808 Mafia. That's weird kind of. come from a little bit what was they shit Mafia 3-6 Mafia that's right

Organized noise You didn't put nobody with that That's what Organized that's fucking No I know he didn't He didn't have anybody with it That's them Or nobody

Is it that seems right Like Organized noise and Jemaine DePri Organized noise is Jemaine DePri Organized Organized noise of Jamani Dupree? I'm going to say organized noise. Okay.

Yeah. All right. Waka Aguchi. I'm sorry. Waka or Gucci. Take a shot. Okay. You got to get locked up.

Two more. Two more. Tell them. All right. The next one is you for show. Magic City or Onyx? Man, Magic City. I like the wings and onics.

More? Man, I love the wings and magic. The wings are honest be good, too, but I love magic wings. Yeah, I like magic wings. I owe to a hundred pieces. I think I just like anything in magic. Over there, a hundred piece.

I just see, Brett Kreisner, he did the whitest of the whitest thing that I ever saw in my life. He went to Magic City, and he took his shoes off and his socks off and went and used the bathroom. Oh, hell no. And you know what's so crazy though?

When I get too butt up in clubs, I'm not even going to lie to you. I take my shoes off. No, I'm in my life I'm not in my bathroom like that Not my socks Not my socks Not sorry

That's crazy And they're not going to the bathroom That's a pissy Yeah That's what he took him Oh no You think of bullshit No no

Please somebody You gotta go do that right now You gotta take that right now Because Yeah He had to be having And he said This is what he said

This is for all my black people Because I know this is frown apart he's white he's the whitest of the white and he went and he filmed himself and he took his socks on he walked for that he went to the bathroom

of Magic City and I just I just like slightly threw up he's flipping all kinds of this that's crazy yeah he's great in bathroom

and the men's bathroom yeah yeah that's crazy it's crazy it's west you know what type of shit be going on I got wet

yeah you go Scarface ice cube um I'm gonna say ice cute I'd like I just like I love the West Coast I love the West Coast music I love the West Coast Zay Tovin or sunny oh you want to get him in yeah you would icekees was a good day okay okay okay okay okay today was a good day Zay Tovin or sunny digital take a shot over the mind you know I look up to Zane sending my real brother

I can't do that I look Woof. Got it, no. All right. You want to say the next one? Yeah, go for it. Okay. T.I.

Or two chains? I'm going to say Tia. Okay. Changed my big brother, though. But Tia, I'm a Tia fanatic. I rap that shit, word for word. I'm Sears album, Word for Word. Okay.

Yeah. You saying? Cool. Definitely T.R. I'm starting with you this time. All right. I want to see your New York represent. Let's go.

Andre 3,000 or Nas? Nas. Okay. Yeah. You better relax. Because I see you. I'll like to just jumped out of you. Man.

As it should. 3K a bad boy, though. Uh? 3K a bad boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not is overly a bad boy. That's one to one. I would never sleep on 3K.

But who you pay? I got to go 3K. You got to go 3K. I'm going to take a shot for that even though you can. Yeah, I got to go 3K. I'm going to take a show. I would take me personally. I'll be saying both, so.

That is a good comparison, though. Andre and Nance, that's a great comparison. Young dog, or play boy Cardi. Cardi, my little brother, though. Like, Kian Carson, my nephew, that's signed to him, like, my real little brother. Like, I raised Carter in him. But, thud.

Thud, the most talented person out of Atlanta to me. Like, sitting down, recording the song. Just, you know, he the most talented one. Not all of them me. Really? Doug. Yes. Yeah?

All the lingo, all that shit, that come from Doug. Like, you know, he's the most talented one. And thank you for, thank you, Doug, for keeping my slime language. Yes. Go. Not for sure. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people don't know I made up the slime.

That's fine. That's me. That's far. And I made up slime trying not to say the N-word. Yeah. That was it. But, you know, they took it and they made it theirs. For sure. And guess what? Sal loop.

I ain't, I ain't an old. I ain't an old. You never met Doug before? I met Doug one time. Yeah, you know he lived out of two. Yeah, yeah, I heard. I heard. You need to do that. You need to do that. Yeah, yeah. I want to do slime first line. I put that together. Slime and slime.

Slime and slime. Slime and slime. I want to do that. You know, I admire what he did. I admire how he stood tall as a man. And I ride with him. Yeah, for sure. I ain't got a personal relationship with him, but I got a, Now, you'll fuck with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll fuck with him. I got his back.

You know what I mean? So, so, all right, let me, let me, let me, let me change up, right? This, this is my number one question I want to ask you. Okay. Because I don't know, but I don't know. All right. But I think I know. If Gunna asks you right now, look at you, see, this is, this is a million other question right now.

You're a producer, you're a beat, y'all both beat makers. I ain't making no beats for him. You ain't making no beats for him? Nah. Right is right, wrong is wrong. I'm a street nigga at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? Like, I made Danny Glover for him that blew him up.

That's been my friend when he didn't have teeth in his mouth. He was signed with Gucci at first, so that's been my friend for a long, long, long, long time. So I can never go against what he's safe. Like, you know what I'm saying? If he feels some kind of way about it, that's how he feels. That's how he's the same way with me If I feel some kind of way about something with somebody He just ain't going to fuck with it

You know what I'm saying? Just because I feel some kind of way So I just like, I can't do it So if Gunner was a call you right now You can't say Can't do I'm going to fuck what they got Can't do it You know what I'm saying

Can't do it That's just my dog is my dog You know what I'm saying Then what it is So now me I'm an outside of looking at The other side of looking out Right

Do you think Gunna Violated I ain't going, you know, I don't, you know, I don't really want to. I feel like that's they, like, that's they shit. Like they, you know what I'm saying? But you, but you pick him aside. But screech, screte wise, I would have never did what he did. Like, I'm just, that's just me.

Like, you know what I'm saying? And if my brother did that to me, I feel some kind of way. So I ain't different. Like, you know what I'm saying? Moving on. Yeah. That was real. That was real.

So moving on. All right. Jay to kiss and push her teeth. I'm going to say Jada. Jada, a bad boy. Jada, for sure. Jada, a bad boy, sure. Tupac or EZE?

Pop. But EZE against her. But as a rapper and the artist, pop, but easy a gangster. Sure. Goody mob or eight ball on MJG? I'm going to go out to Goodie. Goodie Mom, goodie ma' sure.

Shout out to Goodie Ma'am, man. See, Atlanta boy. They stay sticking with Atlanta. You don't say nothing. When the New Yorker stick with New Yorkers. They stick it out of it. Okay, hi, I'm saying. Stick on some Miami shit.

You stay on some New York shit. Yeah. But we always say something when we get on some New York thing. They are, they on Atlanta. You think that it never happened to a certain way, historically. That's a different story, bro. All right, all right, all right. All right.

Boobie Trapper, Taboo? I'm going to say taboo. I'm going to just say taboo. I'm going to say taboo. Boob trap be too bad. It would be too much. Yeah. I can go in Taboo and have a time

of my motherfucking life. I love taboo. Everybody know I love taboo. Buby trap, the girls think they're rappers too, right? They think they rapists, right? Yeah, for sure. You got to think. When they go to the club, I'm going to throw some of my motherfucking money,

and they're going to leave this motherfucker to 11 and 12 o'clock. So I can't even It's like It's like what I'm just throwing y'all out of money I'm gonna go to the taboo when you have me a good time Less money Go home What y'all say, booby?

I'm a booby trap You know Yeah Booboo trap more like I like a little ratchet shit too though Yeah It's like it's a little more ratchet It's a lot

It's a little Hollywood It's a little Hollywood Yeah but I'm a boobie trap God I'm not gonna lie I like, I like, I like Mike. You get, you give me your booby-chat. Yeah, I'm a booby-jad, I'm a booby-drag, dude. I got my sit down back, I'd be like, yo, tell the DJ, don't shout me out.

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Mm. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say NWA twin. Then we got a drink to them, yeah, they got a drink to him. Yeah, they got a drink, that's a NWA too.

Come on, move, yeah. Yeah, I do this with New York and Atlanta separate. Sure, for sure. All right, the last one. Okay, I'm gonna add one. Oh, go ahead. Good.

Because one thing about Atlanta, it's like New York Sixth Borough, right? Sure. Like, hear me out. Promise you. I went to a Knicks game, Knicks versus the Hawks in Atlanta. And there was more New York Knicks jerseys. Yes. Why cash you this?

Like, New York niggins love moving town. And it's like, like, my girlfriend right now, she's from New York. You know what I'm saying? And Atlanta niggas, love to go to New York. I don't know what it is. It's like, I think, I think it's intertwined some kind of way. Yes, we're intertwined in some way. But they don't leave their New Yorkness once they...

No, they don't. That's why they succeed in Atlanta. Like, I'm not leaving my Atlanta to go to New York. I'm going to New York country. Yeah. It works. You know what I'm saying? And it works.

And it works. It works. It's fine. It works. Yeah. So let's describe that. Like seeing for you, how about that? Let me direct a question to you.

Yeah. Being a New York dude that moved to Atlanta. Yeah. Was it easy? Well, had you been going there a lot before that? Nah, I mean, I've been back in the days. He's a snoring Atlanta. He's going, what?

The first sleet and a whore. He's a snore. What? I don't know. What it is? They love you. You're a little. I don't know what it is.

I'm sorry. Chopping shit down out there? Okay, okay. See, you love Atlanta, bro. No, no, Atlanta's fire. You know what I mean? Definitely second home. But I would just say,

musically, you know, Atlanta's really based off relationships. And, like, he's from Atlanta. So a lot of the relationships, like he said, he grew up with a lot of people. So for me moving out here, I just had to get acquainted. You know what I mean?

They seemed with bro. And, you know what I mean? They grew a liking to me and everything like that. So, you know, after that, I was able to navigate my way. But prior to that, You know, just figuring it out. And I feel like that's what we're doing.

Like, every Atlanta crew got their New York homie. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like, for sure, for sure. That's fine. Yeah, yeah. Like, every Atlanta crew you got New York. Like the movie ATL. They had the one dude that was like that.

I'm telling you, you got a New York homie. There's a lot of New York niggas in Atlanta. Yeah, like, every Atlanta crew got their New York homie for sure. Mm-hmm. Like, oh really. Does every New York homie have Atlanta? I would say that for sure. You think so?

Yeah, yeah, because even when I was in New York, I had a couple of New York, I had a couple of that just, you know, that was down in Atlanta just doing their thing and then I just grew, you know, fuck with Atlanta nigs. Even back in the days, like, when Freitnik was the thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was a little, I was a little kid and I used to come out here. You know what I mean? Because I have people out here, so definitely fucked with, you know, Atlanta for a long time. Are you talking about Freitnik? Yeah, nigga. Love it. Did I see the documents you? Did you see the documentary? No, I didn't see the documentary,

but I used to be two years old in the goddamn struggle with them in Freedlin. You was in the stroller at a creepie. I'm like, mom, my auntie's always said it. She was like, you were two years old in the stroller. Yeah. We ain't had nobody to watch you. I got to make some noise for that. Youngest hair, like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm a real Atlanta baby. Yeah, he's straight up. Real, like real, real Lanna baby. And Hannah, Atlanta to the Portland. Fuck here. All right. Jesus, Louise. The last one.

All right, last one. Loyalty or respect. I say, I'm going to say loyalty. Because with loyalty, respect, come with loyalty. You can't be lawyer and I respect somebody. Right. I feel like, all right. I'm going to say loyalty.

I agree. I say loyalty as well, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think that's what we all want, somebody that's going to be loyal with us. You know what I'm saying? Do it thick and thin, do any situation. You know what I mean? That's who's going to hold it down?

So it's just like a person could respect you, but I feel like that shit could fade away with loyalty. I'm saying like that's some shit. That's like long last. It's life lifelong, you know what I'm saying with the right person. Yeah. Let's face noise. So I kind of want to go back to your pops. Yeah. So he's in the dungeon family. My dad grew up like grew up with all that shit. I'm my dad from East Point. What was his name that? His name was Cap, but he used to make beats. My dad just was always, like, Big Cup. Like, I know C-Lo, I know Big, I know Big Boy, I know, I know all of them. Like, they see me, they always look out. So was that an inspiration for you growing, like, you think that that's what... Yeah, because, see, I didn't really, like, me growing up, I ain't, I ain't really, like, get a relationship with my dad.

So I was, like, 17, 18, but all I ever knew about my dad was that my dad made beats. Right, right. Besides, like, the street shit, my mom's, like, he made beats. He made beats, like, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I always... You knew it was in the family. Yeah, I always wanted to make beats

But I don't remember me from being a little boy and shit Like that's crazy Being around my dad young Because I was around my dad when I was like two or three He was always in not a prison and shit You know what I'm saying? Did you, like who do you think inspired Your style of making beats

So was there anybody that older than you I'm a fan of like I was a fan of like shot of red Like I used to love shot of red Everything shot of red did like fat boy They told the producer Yeah Like I was fans of them

Like, that's why I, that's where I swag kind of come from. Because they just had, like, the gritty street shit. Like, they had, like, the theme music to BMF to me. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I always, like, I kind of made beats like that. And you always made it on fruity loops? Always.

Always. It started on Fruitilups 3. Crazy. Yeah. And, listen, that's the, that's what the whole reggae don't was made off. For real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Never knew that. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say all of it, but, I mean, a lot of the majority or a lot of, a lot of A lot of the big records. Yeah, most of the big records. I never knew that.

That's crazy. You were killing that reggae thrown everywhere. Yeah, yeah, I love it. So now, all right, let's go back to the beginning. Because we did loyalty in. Yeah. Okay. So let's go back to the beginning.

How are y'all starting? How are you starting first and then we're getting to you? How are you starting? Starting what? Like, making me. beats? I started my fucking however, just whatever. I started the drums.

Are you saying, like, what you mean? Like, how do I start a beat? Yeah, no. No, no. Like, how did I start making beats? Man, yeah, yeah. Man, my, I had an uncle that used to rap. Like, you know what I'm gonna'

like, you know what I'm gonna'ukey already? He used to rap, but Monica Pookie used to, like, he'd get mad at me every time for telling the story. Markapuke used to go to the airport and just steal bags. Oh, shit. I knew I looked at the beach. He'd get mad at the shit every time, but I'd be telling him like, bro, you chans out.

Her old family name, you can't get mad at me. You did, you know, you pull the sacrifice off. He's out here, still in bags. Yeah, go to the airport, a car home, five, six bags, go through the bags. He went through the bag, the motherfucker had a laptop bag in it. What was the speaker in? He pulled it out, open it up, that shit had fruit loops on it. Oh, wow.

So he gave me this shit and was like, learn how to make beats. Make me some beats because he rocked and shit. Are he telling you this? And I was 10 years old, 11 years old. That's how I started using fruit loops. He was a criminal producer. Like, I was a kid, though, like, you know what I'm saying? That story I've ever got told him about it.

He get mad at me. My mom was just talking about this shit like two days ago. He get mad at me every time. And I'm like, bro. It's like, yeah, I love you and though. Like, you know? I'm a good dude. You open up to that time?

You know how to use it already? Like the two loops? I taught myself. I'm trying to use it. I taught myself. And why did he think that it was you that would know how to do that? Because I always liked the music and shit. Like, that was always my thing.

That's all I really knew about my dad. It's like, you know what I'm saying? And I always look at my uncle them like, hey, go to the studio, that shit, I want to go to the studio with them. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't go. Like, hey or not, you can't go. Like, all right.

He just stole some footage. And we went on that shit and seen what that shit was on there. And it was like, hey, learn how to make Beeson gave me the shit. Like a little speaker, like a little plug-in speaker to it. It wasn't even that loud. But that's what I started on. That she was meant to be. Your uncle, boogie, you're a legend.

If I could get that computer right now, I'd pay somebody to get that computer right now. I don't know where that computer at. Don't do the, what's this guy name? He came on the show. Guy, he said, a million dollars. No, I ain't going to say no price. I said, I'd pay somebody. You're crazy.

I pay some matters. Somebody said it on here? So when they're probably, they're going to come like, you said a million dollars. No, I'd pay somebody. I'd pay you something. Oh, yeah, he had a problem. He got a lawsuit over that shit. Something.

No, no, no. He's settled. Not for sure. So, uh... And the 808, is it strictly off of because of the baseline? Yeah, it's because of the drum. Okay. Yeah, that's why we call the 80A Mafia.

Right. Yeah. That nigga Walker said that shit in the song. Like, he said, but he just said it. Not the 80s or 80s. He said this shit freestyle in the song. Like, when he said the shit in the song, he said, uh, what he said, 808 Mafia, Sizzling Legs in the song.

When he said this shit, I'm like, damn, that shit is hard. And I took the shit and was like, I'm from the guy that made this shit a company. 8-08. That's right. I tried to do it with Lex. Lex. Letts really ain't. He was just, Lex was so, Lex Lugar was going so crazy.

Yeah. He was just, that was y'all three that started, right? Yeah, Lex to see, it was me and Lex started together. Fules and Fuse. I came after. Yeah, Puse Canned Latter. It was me, I was me and Lex first. You were elected.

Yeah, but Lex went so crazy in one year, Lex. I understood. He started producing for Rick Ross. He did everything. He was, he did hard and the pain for why he did. BMLF, he did a lot of shit in one year. Like, you know what I understood what he was saying. So I understood what he was saying.

Like, bro, I'm going to focus on me. I got it. I was on some. Like, I'm going to start a production group shit with this shit. And you feel like he basically left the group? He was... Y'all weren't a duel necessarily. He never really became part of the group.

Like, that was just some shit. Waka was freestyling and saying, like... Okay. But I tried to make it a group, and he just was like, I'm cool. Right. That's my brother right now. I talked to him two, three days ago, love him to death. Like, you feel me? But that was just a choice he made.

Yeah. Would you wish that y'all would have stayed together? No, I'm glad things played out how they play that. Yeah, like, because he's still legendary. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm glad that shit played out. You know, I wouldn't have all them. I feel like, you know, I wouldn't admit all them and had, like, the family I had now, I feel like.

So was it 808 Mafia when it was just you? No, I was just South Island when it was just me. Yeah, it was just south side when it was just me. I'm saying it was just like when you came up with 808 Mafio, had you had already had in mind people he was bringing in under that? Yeah, he was dropping the name by himself, but I never. That's what I meant. That's what I was named by myself, but I still knew certain people already that I was already fucking with on beat shit.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. So it just made sense because I was the one with the most motion from my hood. For me, it made sense. See, y'all probably the, after Dungeon family, I don't think there's any collective like that, that big. Not of that, especially out of Atlanta. Production group, wise, hell, no. There's so many.

Like, you come to one-out session and there'll be 20 people in a, oh, Purdue, everybody made beats, literally. Everybody got something different It's just like It shit be crazy What record you think outside of Obviously working with Waka Flogger Like what record you think is what took The whole name and the brand

To another level As a production team When I made Not by yourself Because by yourself you was there When I made Danny Glover For the two bitches shit That shit went up

That was like an 808 Mafia record That went up And then I'm gonna say I'll say a mixtape, like FBG, the movie. I'm going to say 56 nights, though. 56 nights for sure. Yeah, because I made, we made the whole 56 nights.

Bro, that's the future when he got, um. When they took the dry, yeah, we made the whole 56 nights. Yeah, the whole shit. Yeah. I think that was the game changing for us, though. And then, like, D.S. too. Like, they were just right, too, changed everything. Yeah.

they changed all this shit completely for us and what came right after that like what was the next thing that you saw like okay these things are coming in now man it was after dirt right too it was just everything it was just everybody it was just like I can't control that shit no more

and as a business do you think it's easy to have a producer collective like is it easy to keep everybody under that yeah because see I see like when we was young certain niggas are right around with Walker I run around with Deb all day long.

You feel me? You're soaking up that game. I learned everything. She always said that. Like, she said that. Like, I taught you too much. Like, you know? Because I learned everything.

Like, so I rode around with her every day in the car. Riding around with her, running everything, going to meetings with her. So I understood this shit. Like, I didn't have a pub deal until after a dirty Sprite to me.

I had an admin deal where I was giving them niggas. I was having 95% giving them 5%. Right. So I was getting all my checks. Like, you know, they had to give me some shit

where it was like, I ain't never seen this much money before in my life. to take you know what I was getting all my checks so I understood what this shit was I used to make all of them I wouldn't even I wouldn't even let them do co-puders at first all of them was in admin deals like yeah

like y'all ain't doing co-pud deals do an admin deal until you get to a certain level so you can get some real millions like you know what I'm saying like raising your valuation yeah don't go take a cophub deal and get them 50% yeah but still to this day and you do admen deals getting publishing checks you feel me like it's crazy yeah that's like now you can get a check like a copel for an adman deal like you know

For sure. But back then, you couldn't. I was just like, don't do that. That's dumb as hell. You think that the current music environment is better for producers than it was before? Like, we're streaming and all the crazy. I'm going to say it because, like, I sold my catalog in 2021. So I'm going to say it's like, and I'm about to set it again, it's 2025.

Like, because I do this, this shit ain't, I go to the studio every single day. Literally, sleep in that motherfucker's still right now to this day. Like, I don't give it down. I ain't, I'm 36. I got a lot left in me. like this shit like you keep doing this shit like no you gotta keep going to work i'm not selling this shit like i'm gonna make a whole other catalog like sell this shit again and keep doing you got catalogs in you versus like i ain't i got all the time it's like what i got to do right now

like you know what i'm saying like that's what i got to do i ain't got nothing else to do and the whole team we just learned from bro you know what I'm saying right he basically leaves the way and sets those standards yeah sure if they had anything they have business and niggas call me because I know that shit and now, I tell them, don't do this, don't do that. For sure. Ask them for this, ask them for that. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Right. Because I learned by fucking up. You know what I'm saying? That's how I learned. So let's talk about funny Marco, right? Yeah. One of the biggest moments of the whole internet. Yeah, she was crazy.

With you and G. Herbo. Oh, yeah. That's nice. That's all that. And I couldn't understand. I'm going to take some crazy shit. Yeah.

So I just seen him like. Funny Marco? Yeah, three, four months ago, and I went to the club. It's like 60 us. He and the club, it's just him. Oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? So my bodyguard can give me, he's like, man, Marco out there.

So I'm like, I'm like, take me to him. Let me go highlight him real quick. When I go talk to him, he tells me, he's like, hey, bro. He's like, I want to apologize. He's like, bro, I didn't know that the directors and them told y'all to do that shit. Oh. You know what I'm saying? You never addressed that.

Because I ain't, when I'm, I ain't, I ain't going on the internet. Like, I ain't even want to get on the internet. Like, me and the internet don't mix. Okay. Like, anything I do, motherfuckettish is, you know? So I just leave that shit on the wrong. So, let's explain to the people. That's smart, by the way.

So, yeah, very smart. Yeah. So the directors told you... They told us to fuck with him. Okay. Yeah, like, you know, they let Herb upstairs. That shit was upstairs in a film. Like, you know what I'm saying?

They let him in, gave him his coat, all this shit. Then even, like, the watch, the watch he had, that shit was fake. Like, that shit when the face was already out the watch. That's why I threw the watch and did all the shit I did. It's not fake. You know what I'm saying? But he never knew.

He was like, man, he's like, I fight. So the directors and the producers told him he knew. So he didn't know. He didn't know. He was on some like y'all, he fucked with everybody. Y'all fuck with him. You know what I'm saying? Wow.

Yeah, that's not a kid. And then it wasn't even his fault. It was when our brothers had a cameraman with him and the cameraman was on some thirsty shit and posted some behind the scenes shit. Like just us fucking with him and shit. You know what I'm saying? So I don't really, I don't blame, bro, for that shit. Like, the world looked to me crazy for that shit, but it's like...

But, yeah, so let me ask you, because there was black, black lash, was the Jewish, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you receive? Stay out the internet and go make beats. Okay. Yeah, like, take care, because you can't, you can't deny my music, like, you know what I'm saying? Take your head to the studio, man. That's somebody to do it. That's what we to do.

Don't get your music. Don't get your music together, like. That's fine. Yeah, like. Because it was a lot of backlash with that shit That shit was bad You know we're wild niggas I didn't even think we was

That's how we play out that long I didn't think we was doing it You know I didn't think it was that bad I thought it was funny as that Yeah but they tried to make y'all look like y'all You know fucking five Like believe them? Yeah but if it's all set up

That's fucked up No they told us to fuck with them They told us to fuck with them They told us to fuck with them If they told us they come on Yeah No that's fine That's fucking I would have just went

And just did interview Yeah yeah They never brought her everything And that shit Because the way it sparked off, it was kind of crazy. You're like, yo, what the fuck is going on in? That's why I looked like that the whole time. I'm looking at him like, we're going to get you.

You know what I'm saying? But it went... I'll just take a shot. I'm sorry. This has nothing to do with the interviews at all. But I just want to take a shot. Because I'm happy, man. No, for sure.

Should be. I was that AP visit, man. Oh, no, this is a patty. Yeah. This is a patty. Here, this is my new pickup. Yeah. It's one new pick-up

I call it The Amalfi Because I'm going to the Amalfi Tomorrow Yo man I'm really Really really Proud of y'all

You know what I'm saying Like um Y'all saved a decade I appreciate I like that I ain't never heard nobody say that No When I'm listening to this shit I'm like then if it wasn't for y'all y'all we we might have had a space yeah in the hip-hop that was

voided yeah but y'all came and saved that shit not for sure you know what's like let's see me talk about um um um tunnel vision with code at how did that uh metro really did that like i made you know me and metro just meet up and make beats and shit metro did that he put all that shit together Okay, so you had nothing to do with the tunnel? I made the beat, but I ain't had nothing to do with the process and I'm making the song. So I don't understand that. Hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute.

You're going to break this down for the people. So you got something to do with it, but you ain't got anything to do with it. Yeah, I made the beat for sure. Like, me and Metro meet up, make beats. Like, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so you made? I made the beat with Metro. With Metro.

Made the beat. Tunnel Vision. But he left in. had a session with Kodak on his own and that's a beat that he pulled up and they ended up making Thundervision. Metro made the play. He made the play. I made the beat with him and he made the play. But you got the credit for the beat.

Because I made it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I just wasn't there for when they made the actual song. Right, right. I didn't have nothing to do with him giving the beat to Kodak. Like, he gave a beat the Kodak. But we still on that credit, right? I made the beat. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm over there made the beat. I just went there when they made the song. I didn't claim by no fucking

credit. I ain't made by no credit. Credit and credit. She's on that. The way you're selling, though, is it important for you to be in the studio when the track is being made with your production? We wanted the illis. I don't got to be there. Okay. Yeah, I ain't got it. I can email you this shit.

If you can rap, man, you got something going on, you're going to make some fast shit. Okay. You are sending it to me, like, you will send me the song, and I got them, I'll see you my notes back, certain shit like that. You know what I'm saying? But I ain't got to be there. That's some fly shit. that's a fly shit right sometimes artists don't like you to be in the studio with them

sometimes artists like to go in by their self that's cool with me too like going in just I fix it let on as long as you put something on it I could get it together and fix it I ain't got to be that with you do you have a preference though like would you rather be with certain people like future I like to be there

if you've got chemistry with him I like to be that with him like you know I like to be right there with him like certain people I like to be right there with them like you know what I'm saying because it's like they certain people so talented that they're just man future liable to write

rap two songs to the same beat and make them sound different to two different songs yeah like sure you really have to beat us sometimes like nah bro this was cool like let us take this and make this a hook and then I got three verses I'm gonna just put this shit together real quick

you know what I'm saying so it just depends on who it is right right yeah then sometimes I go to the studio with some people and just be like I said it just e-mails you this shit like you know what I'm saying

like he wanted to be like who are you talking about yeah I know he was Like The devil working Yes The devil working right Yeah

You know I'm like No that ain't the devil That's got some shit It's got Calm down So Now some people just work different man

Yeah Like you know what I'm saying Yeah Not everybody Yeah, that's chemistry, man. That's really what it was out. Yeah, yeah. So who's your favorite person to go in the booth?

What? I know you said Future and... Thug. Yeah, Future and Thug. Yeah, um... I like... You know what's how I like working with? I like working with Rite Rich.

Routy Rich. Yeah. Rottie got, like, Ritter Real Tenancy. He's just... Long Beach. Righty talented. Yeah.

Real, real talent. I like working with riding. Riding. Listen, too. Yeah. Like, I love when an artist, like, listen, yeah. Like, it's a collaborative. Yeah, like, because I know.

Right, you know, I DJ, I do all the, like, you know, I do everything. So it's like, I know. Like, sometimes they'd be so caught up in their self, and they, um, brother, only hearing their self, they're not hearing what's going on in the world. They don't hear whatever, what we're hearing, what we ride around and listen to. They're not listening to that.

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like going into it like, nah, I don't know if this is going to work? Uh-uh. Not really. Yeah, nah. Because I, I am, bro. They can call me with a session and tell me he knows they're still caught me. Like, yeah, we got $2.50 for you up front to come to the session. I like the $2.50. I will not go.

Right. If you're already or hesitant, you're just like, nah. I just won't go. I won't go. It ain't even the money. It's just like, because I feel weird. Like, I don't know. I just feel weird in the session. I just won't go. So if I go to a session and I'm in there with you, I want it to go with you. That's fair. Yeah.

I feel like I earn that way. I ain't got to. Yeah. Back in the day, I used to get them just go to everything. Now, I just be like. Yeah. I'm on the side where I will go to every session but if I'm not feeling it I just disappear In the session? Yeah, I just leave

You don't even say later That's worse That's weird worse That's like you coming to show your face And you just Man what if they start some crazy shit You know Dray give me cat man I do that one

Because of beats I just disappeared Yeah but that's because you old And you get tired You're going to go to sleep I'm trying to trick them They can be sleepy We know at a certain time

People going to sleep For sure That's funny as shit I got So many questions All right money on money Who was just talking about this shit earlier How did that happen

Um Weezy out of her You know we used out of here like my best friend that make beats like make all the thuds He's part of the Air Mafia? I actually Yeah, no

But you know Like Wizi my real brother I met Wizi when he first moved from Mississippi So Wiesie was in the studio with me every day when we first started working with Thud When we first started

putting Thud together years ago Like Wiesie's my real That's my dog Like you know what I'm saying But Wizi made the first half of the beat Then Future did his verse And then I made the second half

of the beat for Futureverse After he did his verse You get what I'm saying like he did his verse on the original beat and I made the second half of the I went back and made the beat to it and just put that shit together but when Thub played me that song

for the first time I was just like oh that shit crazy yeah I wanted him to use it for an intro for his album but you know he wanted to put something out I'm like just put that out he came up with the oldest

idea like the oldest video all that shit like they chopped the limbo truck up and shit was hard do you have a record that's not a hit Yeah We got a lot of records

That's not hit That's but they ain't coming out You know what's You might hit them You might hit them motherfuckers And be like This shit in Like

Yeah We just like you know Like They make so many songs It's just like It's like So many songs Like I have to keep

That shit in my notes Like I have to write In my notes Like certain songs And keeping them Remember Because they make so much shit So much shit

How's the sampling Game now In production? That's a great question Because, I mean, you know, I'm an old-head, so sampling for me. It's more like, we don't really, like, because all this AI shit. Because, I mean, you were saying you do it over the, you put the, you added the trap drums, so, like, is it? I mean, for me, I do it a little bit differently.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm reaching out to the people that I'm sampling. Like, I'm reaching out to it. Good, man. And it's loose now. But you got it because the game done got fucked up. Yeah. They were suing crazy. Like, we, like, we negotiate in the numbers.

Like, kids make just music with no drums on it. Yeah. And it'll be, like, 12 bars long. and they'll send it to you. They'll say you 50 of them. Like, really that whole loop game, like, we really, like, started that shit, be honest with you.

Like, they used to send us beats to collab on and we would just strip drums off of them. And we'll put our own drums on them. That's how I made Stik Tots for future. Like, I went on YouTube, and listened to some music on YouTube, and the music kept playing. I downloaded the music, loop the music,

and put the drums under it, and he made Stik Tuck. But that's sampling. It's the same thing, but we just don't use, like. You ain't chopping. No, we chop, too, but we're not using.

We're not using actual songs. Yeah, like, we're not going through labels. Like, you know what I'm saying? But the AI shit is so crazy now, I can take one of his songs and say, make this shit sound like it's from 1960 and sample it. What do you think about that, though? Like, what do y'all think? I love it.

I don't think. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think that kind of fucks everybody up in the long room? Listen, I'm with the robots. I'm with the, I got, I got, I got, listen, I have a side. When I get in the cyber truck, I don't drive it. I let it drive me everywhere.

Like, I'm with all the new shit. I'm not going to be the person to sit back when the world has changed and there's something to do something for you. Like, I'm going to do it myself. No. I bought 10 robots. They're going to do everything for me. I'm not with that.

I hope the matrix. No, I'm not necessarily. Like, you know what AI is like, I'm winning. Terminated Matrix. Yeah, well, AI. It's all I'm saying. You're like, I'm a friend.

I'm saying, well, AI, you know, you give it prompts. Right, no, no. So at the end of the day, I'm not necessarily with the, you know, taking something from somebody else. Right. And then you flipping it to making my own. But, you know, like I said, as long as you know, you tell it what you want, and they'll make it for you.

It'll make it for you. Yeah. So, I can get that feel of a sample from the 50s or the 60s. Yeah. Get that same feel and it's mine. That's why I understand, you know, because everybody got angry at Timberlin talking about the AI label with the AI artist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But who did I say? Was it Chuckie Thompson that somebody was on the breakfast club and they was like explaining that this is just another tool for a producer? Well, I am. Everybody, everybody I always get mad at the new something. Right. Like, you know. They were mad at Frutie Loot.

When we first started with fruit to lose people, that's not real. Y'all ain't really making beats like, oh, okay, cool. You always get mad at the new technology no matter what. That's what it is. I'm with it. I'll fuck with it. I'll really fuck with it. They show me some shit, like, they show me a machine that, like, they could put, they

take all my sounds on a hard drive and put it in this shit and it'll make beats like me. Easily, yeah, 100%. Like a million beats and like 30 million. Like, you could make an AI agent be an AI agent for you. It ain't me, but it's like, close to me, it's like to the point where it's like, damn. Damn. Fuck it. Like, it's like, that's crazy.

But you got to think. Imagine if everybody's doing that. The saturation is crazy at that point. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, at the end of the day, like, there's artists that want to get on, right? You know what I'm saying? So you can work with the artist,

but then you're also dealing with ego. You're dealing with people who might not want to pay attention, might not want to take direction. That was the other thing that was said about. So when you got AI, you just like, yo, do this, do this, do that. And it's giving you the results that you want. Like, why would you be mad at that? Right.

No back talk. I'm making some, I'm making some, you know what Splice is? Yeah. I'm making my own splice right now. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's called, it's Edouet Mafia Sound. It's like, it'll be up in like four months, but it's like the same as that shit. I don't know what splice is.

Splice is like where you could go and download like loops to make any royalty free to make beats, but it goes off subscription. So it's like you pay $3 a month. Yeah, that's unlimited, just download shit. It's none royalty. It's a gold mine. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm making my own splice. So it's like I'm fin to go up the same shit.

Yeah. So, you know, I'm signing, like, my manager is Shalizzy. He managed Marshmuller also. Marshmuller never dropped a pack on... The dude that don't show his face. Yeah, yeah, that's my boy. It's one of my best friends. He never dropped the pack on splice and that shit for the DJ.

So that's my first pack I'm dropping. Mm. You know what I'm saying? That's big. Yeah, like some crazy, crazy, crazy shit. Take a shot for that. Yeah. But I'm making some crazy shit right now.

I think that's a good future to forge is getting into the technology side of it and owning that because that's what I think is the problem right now everybody thinks that they independent just going straight to distributing yourself through whatever all these digital distributions but you're not you have the mercy at these

companies these tech companies so I think that's what everybody needs to do now in the music business to create their own tech company you know it's the next step Yeah, I got my own speaker coming out too Speaker? Yeah, I got a speaker

I'm gonna get one of them We need one for the set You seen it? Yeah, they're starting to get them right now Okay, so let's promote this Let's talk about this Yeah Speaker, let's talk about it

I'm doing everything If you can make beats I'm trying to make everything there is for you to use to make beats That's how you get the money That's the trying to become a billionaire That's the next set of money Even like people who use fruity loops

Like my partner TM He got like his own cloud of sounds on You know, FL, you know what I'm saying? So it's like That's all it is. It's just making sure that we're the source That you come to to get all the everything needs, you know what I mean? I'm in the sound, sound design I got a plug-in coming out

I kind of use Nexus auto tune I got my own shit from to come out The other way my field plug in I got all my own shit coming up living out I ain't gonna bring you I ain't gonna lie I've been drinking the y'all

we know we know this whole time if you give me this I'll get your number I'm gonna see you with speaking Come on, come on She's fired at show crazy We're gonna do

We're gonna do everything Because I'm proud of y'all man You know what I'm mean We'll be needing that though We need the OGs to tell us Like you know what I'm saying like you know what it is producers

are the people who make artists great one million percent for sure and if it wasn't for producers producing me I wouldn't I wouldn't even exist like like right now

I looked at the algorithms and I looked and I looked at everybody I'm like, yo, you, everybody's kind of following us. Yeah. They're kind of following drinks. It's a thing. Yeah.

I mean, we did this nine years ago. In the space, it wasn't a lot of people doing podcasts and drinking and none of this shit. Yeah. My brother Fat Joe, I love him. Brother Jay to Kiss, I love him. Who did? They all. You know me.

But we wanted that. We wanted that. We wanted that. Listen, listen, I do. I'm not. I love, and they love me. But, you know, I look at their show, and I'm like, all right, I can see where they're going.

Because. I mean, it's the same thing with the producer game. You know what I? You know what I mean? There you go. Yeah. There you go. Why you don't do your, because how I look at shit like that with the producers,

I ain't from the, like, how you're saying, yeah, yeah, I see, yeah. No, I see what they get it from. I'm putting a look at your ass I ain't bullshit with you With me? No, the producers Why you're not Oh no we are

We got to say Like you got a whole network For sure Like We got on Beeching I'm not playing Memphis bleak

And shout out to our partners I heart And shout out to our partners Our heart That's fine So we're That's hard That's hard

That's hard That's hard We have fun We have fun Yeah I peep that though You always have fun Yeah, yeah.

But, you know, man, I really want to get y'all your flowers, man. Appreciate it, though. I just want y'all to know, man. Y'all might have saved music. Yeah. Yeah. For a part. We've got to do that right now, right now again.

Yeah. No, no. That's where it's it right now. Seriously, man. Like, because when I listen to the movement, to listen to everything that you I did, I sit back and I say, damn, bro, you save summers. Yeah. After summers, after summers, after summer.

I'm for sure. After summer. He's saving summers, but I ain't even going to hold you. Like, bro saving lives, too. And I'm like, and I'm just keeping it real, like, you know what I mean? Like, I was in the trenches. I was in the streets, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I just got to give him a surprise too, you know. Appreciate that for sure Take a shot to that for sure Yeah, take a shot for that What y'all think about What about regional sounds

Because you know we I mean, I don't know how old you are But what should be about regional sounds We come from an era Where each region had its sound Okay And then changed Where nationally everything

And even globally at some points Everything sound the same Everybody's using the same style of production Yeah They're using the same type of flow But it seems like it's starting to go back to region, the regional sound again. So how I feel like, as a producer, I feel like you should be able to make all that

shit. If he called me and say, hey, LeBron wants you to come pull up and do an album, I'm going to make shit like, he rap on. If he wants this shit that I make, we got plenty of it, you know what I'm saying? But we're going to pull up to that session with shit that he's still going to, like, it's going to tweak his ear like, then this shit sounds like me 10 years ago or 15 years ago, but with a touch of today on it. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So I feel like as a producer, you should all. always be able to you should always be able to navigate around you made me think of like hit boy and nods yeah like you know what I'm saying like hit boy dope I feel like hit boy is a real producer like you know I'm saying he dope like very very very very yeah because hit boy can goddamn he could blend he could do whatever like you know what I'm saying right yeah I guess maybe the regional sound would go maybe to more to the emce but now I don't know man I just feel like producers like I get what you're saying yeah I just I really do miss the time where you You could hear a sound, artist, a group, or whatever, and you was like, man, that's, that's Detroit, that's Atlanta, that's Miami, that's New York.

For us? I feel like, I feel like it's getting like that now. I just feel like. It's going back. I feel like it's starting to go back to that little bit. I feel like we getting so older, like my, my nephew, my nephew, Ken Carson. I don't know if y'all know who that is, but he's like for the kids, that's my nephew since he was 10 years old. Like, you know, like, they raised up in this shit with us.

They did a new sound. But he's from it. No, no, you're from the south side. He's from where I'm from the south side. But that's the new regional shit. Every nigga from Atlanta right now, them young niggas, they sound like either him or baby drilling. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's either or, like, it's like the regional changing.

We're just not listening to it. Right. But it's still regional, like a motherfucker. You're saying it's more underground. Yeah. It's just like New York having drilled. Right, right. No, no, I hear.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It's still regional. Like, West Coast, they got their own little box. For sure. It's just growing to some other shit, the new crowd. I feel like maybe Atlanta, though, might be. blindsided to this in the sense that the whole country sounded like Atlanta

for the longest the sound was Atlanta but it's global at one point of time yeah global for sure but I'm just saying like before that the whole country sounded like New York you're right you're right yeah it's just moved you're right that's all that is it's just moved you know what I'm saying

just move you got Atlanta niggas like niggas like T I Tia Tia was probably looking at JZ like you know what I'm saying like Tia was some other shit you know how the prince yeah like they I'm just on some other shit. Yeah, Sahara crazy.

Yeah, Sahara is nuts. Yeah. It's probably one of the greatest conversations we ever had. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That part. That part. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to say what I want to say. Like, you know what I'm saying? Saha dope. Like dope. Saha dope. That's fine. He's like that part. Not for sure.

Because you're one of the greatest producers of all times. Yeah, for sure. So I feel like I've worked with the greatest producers of all time. So for me to say, look at y'all both in your face. Say, this is, you're one of the greatest producers of all times. I appreciate you. I want you to know. Appreciate you.

I mean that shit. Yeah. Like, that shit is dope. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. 100%. And I know y'all are successful, but it seems like the trajectory for the whole, the team, everything is crazy what y'all could do.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't feel like we did enough yet. That's what I'm saying. You're already successful, but I think it's just even bigger where it could go. Because it's still going. Yeah. There's a lot more we can do. Way more.

Way more. Still going. Still going. So wait, hold on. What's your production? Like, where did you get the bug? Uh, shit, you know, just growing up in New York. I used to be in a lot of studios, and, uh, I was a rapper first.

I used to just be a rapper name, fused too? It was always fused. You still got it. You got a man. Nah, nah, no. I actually got an album, you know what I'm about to come out soon, but it's another story. I thought you was like an album, yeah, but now, but now I used to just rap and I used to be around all the producers. Yeah, yeah, you know, I used to be around all the producers, and I used to sit there, watch them make beats.

And then, you know, I just, by me watching other people make beats, it was just like, yo shit, I want to do this shit myself, made my own beats, you know what I mean? So, you know, my partner, Zay, he gave me my first laptop, you know what I mean, with, you know, MPC and stuff like that. So you was using machines, not just fruit of you. Yeah, yeah, because I got to say I was around all the older people. I was, you know, like the young nigger that was hanging around all the older niggers.

Right. So them niggas was just like using all the, you know, hardware and stuff like that. Right. And then when I got around bro, he was like, yo, you got to go to NFL, man. Fuck all that hardware shit. That shit, like, streamline your shit. But as much as I use hardware using any other door or anything,

FL is what changed my life. Like, just keeping it a bean, you know what I'm saying? When I start using FL, that's when the check started coming, for sure. Boris, you used it? He's a producer as well, beats in the hood. Oh, word. He's a machine.

For sure, for sure. I'll run that round clap. Run club. I'll just slap it up. Did you produce a lot of stuff, though, when you was in New York? Like, for artists, anything that we would know? Not, no names, not, like, no songs that really, like, blew up or anything like that. But I think, like, the first person, like, group, I would say that I produced for was, like, MOP.

Oh, were? Yeah, for sure. I was a young nigga. And they pulled up to the studio, and I was just, like, and actually, Little Fame, little fame, he actually showed me how to do certain tricks on the MPC. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. Yeah, but that was, like, back in the day, I was young niggas.

But, you know, all the big stuff. came when I got around bro, you know what I'm saying? No, but that's dope. That's fine. That's dope. That's tough. Got it. Do you think we'll ever get a double Excel freshman producer cover?

I did the, I made the beats for the shit last year for the freshman shit. Really? Yeah. But we need the cover for producers. I won't be able to get on that more. No, no. I hope they do that, though. That'll be dope.

I hope they do that. I know I had three, four producers on there for sure. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yo, man, I'm going to be honest with y'all. Don't lie to us. All I want is a beat. We got you, me. You got it.

I ain't no lie to you. But I'm not AI in this shit. These I ain't AI in this shit. Norrie I'm going to overdo right now. I'm going to come sit with y'all. Yeah, it's got to be. It's got to be. Well, never get together.

Just let me know. You know, I can't even, like, look at your fucking discography and see there's not a hit. Yeah. But you can't not make a hit. Yeah. We're going to get something out there, motherfucker, right? Yeah, for sure. I'm not leaving them.

I'm not going to get something out of it. I don't play like that. We get something out there. Michelle, Michelle. Looking at a picture? Yes. He's ready to take the picture. I'm going to studio.

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