Drink Champs - Episode 469 w/ Havoc

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, Havoc! As one-half of the iconic duo Mobb Deep, Havoc has cemented his place in hip hop history with gritty production, raw storytelling, and timeless anthems that shaped an entire era of rap. Havoc dives into his journey—from the early days in Queensbridge to dominating the rap game alongside Prodigy, creating classics like Shook Ones and Survival of the Fittest. But this conversation isn’t just about the music—it’s about legacy, survival, and carrying the torch after Prodigy’s passing. Havoc opens up about life after losing his brother-in-rhyme, his evolution as both an MC and producer, and how he continues to influence the culture with his sound. Expect deep stories from the golden era, behind-the-scenes gems about Mobb Deep’s rise, and raw honesty about the ups and downs of navigating the industry. Of course, it wouldn’t be Drink Champs without laughs, drinks, and unfiltered energy. Havoc’s episode is a celebration of hip hop greatness, honoring the past while looking toward the future. Make some noise for Havoc! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com   Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Alumni, we can't forget, three-champs alumni, too. That's right, that's right. So let me ask you, you got a new album coming out? Yep, we got a new Mobb Deep Bob. That's crazy. That's official Mobb Deep. It's official Moab Deep. Prodigy. Yeah, Prodigy versus having versus.

Okay. Nah, this shit is official. It's done. This shit is mixed, smashed it, ready to go. Right. So, and I just was speaking to Alchemist. Alchemist was producing as well? Yeah, absolutely.

So, when we first started working on the album, you know what I'm saying? I flew out to L.A., you know what I'm saying? Started fucking with Alchemist because, you know, Alchemist probably got a ton of prodigy verses, you know what I'm saying? That's family. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, he had some shit. So it was only right that, you know what I'm saying? I teamed up with him because, you know, Al, Al's family.

So, you know what I mean? That's how we did. That's shit. How many songs is Prudgy on? All of them? Oh, crazy. Wow. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

How many songs is it? Shit. What? 14, 16. And not any recycled verses, just for people out there. Nah, these are not recycled verses. These are, like, verses that was in the stash, you know, I'm saying that, you know, an alchemist had, that the family gave me personally.

So, you know what I mean? It ain't going to be no shit that nobody ever heard. All right. That's crazy, man. Let's take a shot to that. Take a shot. Saloo. See here.

so let's talk about the new album yes um i seen y'all in the studio with niz definitely yeah yeah yeah so because we putting out the album on mass appeal right right right so you know when i was thinking about putting out the album and shit i was like you know who can we fuck with it it's a limited it's only a handful of people you can fuck with and you know nice is you know what you know he's You know, he's the homie. Of course. You know, who else to fuck with when we, you know, putting out the project? So, you know, hit Nause and he was just happy to have the project, you know what I'm saying?

Like, for real. Right. Were you ever hesitant to do a new Mobb Deep album? Nah, hell, no. You know what I'm saying? I was really fiending to do a Malb Deep album because I just knew Prodigy had some unfinished business, you know what I mean? And I wanted to, you know what I'm saying, let his last words be something that was a concerted. effort by, you know, me, AOC, Prodigy's family.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, when you got music and it's just sitting in the computer, that shit don't do nobody no good. Right, right. All right. So it's the work. Yeah, we had to.

So let me ask you, the other day, I was, right after I spoke to you, I was in Italy, Bleak had hit my phone right after that, right? And Bleak was like, he said to me, he was like, yo, he had just got off the phone with Cam. Right. And he said, he said, yo, I always think, like, what if, like, what if we did this? Right. What if we did that? And that made me think of the questions that ask you, you know what I'm saying?

Like, what do you think life would be like, right? If, if prodigy never went to jail. What would life be like if prodigy never went to jail? Um, you know what? It's hard for me to say. You know what I mean? Because when he went to jail, I just felt like shit was in limbo, you know what I mean? Right.

But, you know, he got his mind right when he was in jail, you know what I mean? If he would have never went to jail, I think he probably would have, he would accomplish a little bit more. You know what I mean? I think while he was in jail, it was stagnating anybody, you know what I'm saying? That shit kind of stagnated him a little bit, but he was really the, he really dug, went inside, deep inside, and came out, you know what I'm saying? He was diesel and shit. I think he, you know what I say? Not to say he needed to sit down or nothing like that,

but I mean, you know what I'm saying? He made you side of it, you know? Right. What do you think life would be like if us, Queens people really stuck together? You're thinking about it? I just thought about it. Nah, Mabdi, Vodor Noriega, right?

And by Rappanoi, nature, tragedy Cormega Yeah Like I thought about I thought about like Real seriously Like like

Right Right I'm talking about we really Cause like Like because that's what Bleak said to Ken It's like You imagine we really

Like all got And I thought about it I was like Yo for real For real for real I thought about it Yeah Yeah

And I was like And we really stuck together And we didn't even Included Southside Yeah Right We didn't even speak About Southside

You know what I'm saying We just talk about The train I like to break Down Queens Like the trains And the buses Right

So if you get The trains That's like QV, Astoria, Raviswood, Lepraq, Corona. If you get it to her the train, maybe the seven train or whatever. But imagine that. If we really got together and who the hell

would have been able to fuck with us? Nah, we would be fucking unstoppable. You know what I'm saying? Because straight up in there, you know what I'm saying? Listen, I'm biased. You know what I'm saying? Queens got the best MCs. That's just, you don't got to be biased

to do you got to do you got that, dad. You know what I mean? But real talk, you know what I'm saying? Like, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if. If us Queens niggies stood together, we'd be unstoppable. Just think about it. Just think about if Nause and Courtmaker never had to court nothing. Like, and they just always stayed there.

Like, how powerful that would have been? I mean, that shit would be going still today. It would still be going on today because those are two vocal motherfuckers. Both of them is just vocal. You know what I'm saying? And they own right, powerful. I mean, you know, Queens, you know, and they still both, you know, same vocal, you know.

Take a shot to that. See you ain't take all this shit. I'm watching you. No, I think if Nause and mega, you know what I'm saying, didn't have a little friction, I think, you know what I'm saying? That's it would have went a long day and it still would have lasted today. But, you know, they made amends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They did make amends. So, you know, it is what it is. So what do you guys think went wrong? Because it seemed like y'all were together when you were younger. Right. So what went wrong? You know, I don't know. I think egos.

I think it's always boys down to eagles. You think money got in the way. I think money got in the way. Because you think about it. Clout, you know, like. Like, I tell you, I tell you, man, I know I told you this before, but I'll tell you this. One of my best memories in life.

You got something you got to do with one of my best memories in life. I came home. Mm-hmm. I know I wanted to rap, but I had nothing to go through. And it was a mob-deep show. I believe it was the palladium. I want to say the palladium. But.

Nause had the gold G.S. Lexus. I remember that. And he drove through, and it was like the path opened up. And it was nothing but more deep. Like, nothing but more deep. And Nas, I don't remember. I think he was a killer was driving him. It was just killer and Nas.

And he leaned out the window. It said, dude. And I was like, that's what I want. I was like, you know, like, I made up my, I didn't want to sell drugs. I didn't want to do nothing no more. I was like, the power of that energy right there, I was like, I, it's a part of my, like, memory in life.

Not my best hip-hop memory. Do you know how powerful Mar-deep was? Do you know, especially at that time? Nah, I didn't, I really, you know what I'm saying? I just was, you know what I'm saying, knew on the scene. I ain't really know, you know what I just was trying to make the best music I could make. I really didn't realize the power that Mar-deep had at that. time or the impact you know what i just a producer rapper you're just trying to make some music man

yeah i remember like queensbridge was so hot used to be a and r's on the hill i used to be oh that's crazy i believe it though i believe it you know you got to be careful like this they don't know no better they just want to look and see a rap cypher like that's how hot queen's bridge was bro yo motherfuckers from overseas just be going to queen's just like it's like a tourist thing. You know what I'm saying? But they be safe though.

Yeah, yeah. It'd be us the got to worry. This is in the 90s. It's not like now. The 90s crazy. Nah, they was doing that shit in the 90s. Like I'd be running into some motherfuckers. They'd be like, yo, you know, 30 years ago,

I was in Queens years and I just started living out there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers just be living out there. Like, you know, this shit's crazy. I'm taking a shot to that. Let's take a shot. Yeah, yeah. if we all stuck together and like

I first thought about it when it was a room of a Queens tour. I don't know if you remember that. I remember that. And I remember the names was Nas, Marb Deek, Bono Noriega. Right. And I believe Mega. I forget. Maybe nature. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know, the crew. And I imagine that

like if we would do one show together. Man. And when I say do one show, show together. I don't mean like Marb Deep rehearsed as by themselves. I mean, we're doing it all like like one big show. Yeah, like one big

show. Imagine that like one time. Nah, that's what? A taste of that that we got was what was that Marley Mall record to be in the bridge? No, no, no. No, that was that was that was that was QB, the QB album. The QB album. The QB album. That kind of like

it was a taste of it because motherfuckers was in the center doing the video, you know what I'm saying? And that kind of was like what it would be like if you know Queen's motherfuckers stuck together but you know you know what I'm saying your guess is good as mine's like

why you know what I'm saying motherfucker I guess you know everybody really was just out to make it like you know what I'm saying motherfuckers like you know like they hungry like they let me get that you know what I'm saying so you know motherfuckers didn't know I don't think motherfuckers was thinking about

the power that we could have had all together you know what I mean until now or how long it would last even like Right. You know what I'm saying? Like you were saying, I think a lot of eagles was involved. Yeah. Yeah, because I thought about it. I was like, yo, if we really, and then by affiliation, that brings A-Z. That brings Foxy. You know what I'm saying? By affiliation, I know that's not Queens. But, like, the only, if we were that stuck together, that would have been a group like Wu-Tang. Like, only Wu-Tang would have been able to do that. You know, I definitely agree. It's not too late to do something, guys. Yeah. You know, shit, let's get it, you know. Let's get it. So when I hit Twitter, one of the people who said, I said, you got questions for having. They say, what's one of the favorite beats you made?

One of the favorite beats that I made, like, a mall deep track? Any, period. Any, any, whatever you choose. My shit is, like, clichéish. I'm going to always go with Shook Ones, you know what? For me, it's just apt to be. We got to talk about Shookwins, but when you were here last time, you talked about the stove. And then you went back on that.

You said that that's not the way. What is the story? Listen, I turned on the stove, you know what I'm saying? This is the true story. You know what I said? I recorded it. And then I brought it to the studio. The engine it was like, yo, that sounds like a hi-hat.

So then I put it in the song. Wow. Okay. I'm fucking with you. That wasn't it. No. But that's what you told her. But I'm going to leave it a myth.

I'm a leave it a bit. I'm a little. Okay, okay. Did you see where they rated at the greatest hip-hop beat of all time? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make your noise for that. Yeah, I mean, yo, that, that was, that was an honor for sure.

I could think of five other beats in my head that deserve that same honor, you know what I mean? So I was just, you know what I'm saying? Appreciate it, you know what I'm saying? The beat is fired. All right. Do you own the masters? Oh, yeah, you know, I own. As a matter of fact, they revert back to you in 30 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think 25. I think 25. 25, 25, it might be 30, you might be right. Five years before they revert back to you, have to put in a notice. Oh, wow. So, yeah, so I put in my notice, and then they revert back to us this year. Okay, wow.

It's the 30th anniversary. Wow. What's your favorite Mar-deep album? My favorite Mar-deep album. Let me look on this table. I don't have everything here, but. I'm going to have to say, the infamous.

The infamous? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the infamous, for sure. So, but can we go back to juvenile hell? Because I feel like it's underappreciated and you guys even downplayed it a little bit. But I think people are going back to this record now. Yeah, for sure. I used to downplay this shit a lot

because that was a tough time for me. You know, when you come out with a record, nobody's not fucking with you. And, you know, you want to kind of put that shit behind you. Right. You know, but today, you know, I acknowledge the record to the fullest. It was, you know, a heartfelt attempt by me and P. I tried to break into the game.

All right. And we were show these. You were hell of young. How old were you guys in? You know, 16, 17? Yeah, yeah, 1617, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Seeing Norrie on the block. Right, right, right, right, right.

All right, right. I think it's considered a classic now, to be honest with you, so. So what made y'all? Because, like you said, it wasn't a popular album, right? but it was an album that was out and you had a record deal like no most people ain't have records deal at 17 what made you say yo I want to stick to this and you it's like that sound right there juvenile hell is different from the infamous so did did it matter drop in between then yeah so what happened was I believe that uh the juvenile

hell dropped and then Nause came out it just blew everything out the fucking water you know what I mean so that was like right you know what I mean imagine being in the projects you drop a album and then you know one of your people's on the next block drop a album and everybody in the hood is playing it and they're not playing your shit you know what's right? That's how it's for you without hell

yeah but you without hell so that shit is a that's a motivator you know what I'm saying that's a motivation for your ass and you know I'm happy it happened that way because it was like damn like you know what I'm saying like back to the drum board let the flame right yeah but it definitely lit the flame because

you know Nass was like on the next level. Like, so if you aim to try to be good as him, you're just going to land somewhere dope. It don't matter. You don't know what I'm saying? That's a dope. All right.

Now, as your true tragedy gave you your name? He did. Okay. That bastard. Oh, no, he gave you the nigga. You know what I said. I appreciate it. He was like my mentor back in the hood.

You know what I'm saying? He was a rapper that, you know, I looked up to. He had just came home. You know, I used to follow him around and shit. And, you know, Havoc was like, one of his umc's names and um yeah you know shout out of his emcees names yeah it was having trash tragedy tragic

something like that and tell you how many names are you got I don't know you know what I was and he just said I was give you one of my names yeah yeah yeah because I I didn't have a name so he gave me the name and it stuck but I definitely have to thank him because

he was one of those people that stayed on me to write you know what I was when I was younger if I was when I used to see him if I didn't have a rhyme he used to like fuck me up shit like that my back still hurts to this day that they used to really fuck me up but um you know I give you know what I'm saying

all praise to uh trash for that right that's what I said so right so how did how did juvenile hell even like get paid? Yeah I wanted to ask how did you guys even get discovered for that yeah because that that you know how that happened that that came from me and peace

standing around death gym Rush Associated labels and shit like that meeting people in the industry because obviously the first thing that you want to do if you want to get a record deal that's fine out with the record companies that you buy a cassette tape you see the record companies on the back

so Dev Jam was the popping label back then you know what I'm saying in the late 80s early 90s so we used to stand in front of Jeff Jam you know Prodigy told the story before and we met some people and juvenile hell was on Demitjam? No no no no it was I wish

Or the Broadway. I wish. Nah, Debton actually shitted on us, you know what I'm saying? Like, we tried to get a record deal with Russell Simmons. Oh, wow. And we went to meet him, and he was like, nah, you know, you're cursed too much. Oh, so he actually, he himself turned it down?

Yeah, he did. He did. But that was the blessing of these guys. Didn't they have Onyx? That was like afterwards. Oh, after. Oh, yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Then we see them with onics and we like, come on. You know, it's all good. But, yeah, so we met a bunch of people, you know, Chris Lighty, Coutts. you know the whole the whole office one thing led to another you know we we got into the source magazine people started looking at us the unsigned hype right yeah unsigned hype then bones malone i think believe he was uh you know working at fourth and broadway and they gave us a deal you know what they gave us a deal and who were they distributed by fourth row right island uh island records yeah that all got actually i think it got all taken into death jam afterwards

or to universal yeah probably But the Lord When Universal took over everything The lure to fall from Broadway back then Was that they had Eric B and Rakim Once Upon the Time So you know They weren't known

That label was a very good on the They just want to sign over there Yeah December 29th 1975 LaGuardia Airport The Holiday Rush Parents hauling luggage

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So where are y'all at? What studios? Unique Studios I believe unique studios Platinum Island Okay Summer battery

You know what I mean shit like that Okay Those three major studios Well So now Y'all start the album Off already signed to loud

How did that loud Yeah How did that loud Connection coming up Yeah so we got dropped Off of Fall from Broadway Okay

Right But you know There was still a few people That believed in us That had connections to Steve Rifkin that just freshly started loud records and we got a meeting with

Steve Rifkin at the time. He just had basically like a cubicle in RCA, you know what I mean? And he had a group called the Wu-Tang. He's like, yo, I got this group Wu-Tang, you know what I'm saying? You had never heard of Wooten. I never knew sounded crazy foreign, right? Hearing those

I didn't. I have no idea who they was. You know what I mean? But I was like, I just wanted the deal, so I didn't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? He was like, yo, y'all can do whatever I want to, blah, blah, blah. He was like, by the way, take this tape who tank you know what I'm saying whatever whatever so you know I listened to it and just was like

yeah I was like you know like kind of like whatever because I'm just in my own world you understand what I'm saying two weeks later after we got to deal with loud everybody in Queens Ridge was playing protect your neck I was like yo I got that you had that you knew this yeah

you know what I'm saying so people know good music you know what I mean and that really made me listen to their shit and I was like oh I was like, yeah, this shit is crazy like, okay, but all right, so yep, you make so you already signed to

loud before you start making the album? No, we didn't make no songs yet when we signed the loud, but we had a demo, and one of the songs on the demo was A Black Patty Shop, I don't know, it was a weed spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, A Black 124 Street.

Yeah, there you go, I forget where it was. So, yeah, so we did that, we gave it to Steve Rifkin, then he gave us a deal, we didn't have no songs, but He said, Steve Rifkin was like, yo, y'all can do whatever y'all want to do. Just do what you want to do. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I was a little, you know, I was happy that he said that, but I'd never

produced the whole album for myself at the time. I only had a bunch of producers on here. Right. You know what I mean? And I only did, like, maybe, like, two songs on that album. So that was me, if you listened to the two songs that I did produce on the Juvenile Hell album, you could hear a preview of what the infamous album was going to sound like. Because that's what I was playing with.

I always thought you did the whole. No, they got premiere on there. Yeah, Primo's on there, large professors on there. And these other dudes from Long Island, you know, they was dope producers. But it wasn't us, though. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know what I mean? But at the time, I wasn't really confident in, you know, my production.

I didn't think that I could do it. But, you know, when Steve was like, yo, just do whatever you want to. I was like, man, fuck it. If we're going to fuck up this time, we're going to fuck it up. Had Steve already heard juvenile, how was he, like, familiar? I'm sure they played it for him. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm sure they played it for him or whatever, but that demo we did, you know what I'm saying,

really got his attention, you know what I mean? All right. And the demo was winded up on the infamous or no? Nah, the demo didn't wind up on the infamous, but when we was making an album, um, we had a Q-Tip coming and kind of help us, you know what I mean? Because we had met him, we had met him previous. not Pewtip looked out like you know what I'm saying he really looked out

like showed how did that connection happen is it just a Queens thing it's a Queens day you know what I'm saying like because I really don't remember I just know you know what I'm just so long ago that um you know just being up at Devjad you just meet

a lot of people you know what I'm saying and um Pewtip was one of those people that you know he he stuck around and when we tapped them to help us with the infamous album he did it like you know what I mean he produced a couple of songs right yeah classic joints too for sure yeah uh drink away the pain yeah um classic uh temperatures rising yeah because i remember hearing a different version of our temperatures rising what

what happened that song the sample didn't clear yeah you know what it is because um what happened it probably didn't clear right because i had did the first one and it had a sample from like a quincy jones record it was like the temperatures right yeah yeah And it's not surprising. And it's from Quincy Jones. And I guess, you know, Q-Tib was like, let's just get somebody. We couldn't clear it, I believe. And let's get somebody to sing on it.

It was Chris Lou Johnson, you know what I mean? And he did the beatover. So he did the sample, but he kind of left it for me to kind of like chop a little bit or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? But he produced it. All right. And it is, I think it's one of the best songs on the infamous album because it was just a real story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just a good collaboration, unlikely, too. Yeah, because when you think about, you know, chop coal quest, you don't think, like, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, they're from the hood. Of course. Of course. So, if you had to pick, rapping or producing?

Producing. Producing? All day, yeah. Why? Because producers can get paid more than rapists. but okay that's it that's the only reason why nah that's not the only reason why

I could be more creative without using words right you know what I mean you know I find I find confident just like keeping my fucking mouth setting and just speaking letting the beats talk for me you know what I mean

because the beat says a lot of shit you know what I mean it really does and you know it's like my quiet place you know what I'm saying when you write in this shit you might offend somebody you know what I'm saying you like say the wrong shit right you know what I mean but to see people

move into something that came out of your mind like you know like a beat right it's it's a feeling I can't fucking describe you know what I'm saying it's like really really fucking crazy because you guys have to work with the best of them yeah you know I did I did I definitely did

um you know it brought me a long way you know what I mean um I always you know consider myself more of an emcee than than a producer really no I did really like you know I'd be trying to write my ass off you know what I mean but when you sit next to somebody there's the ultimate fucking writer right you know what I'm saying it's easy to be like okay yeah that's cool having of pink what you say you know what you say and that's dope though because it really made me get into my bag with producing you

You know what I mean? And, you know, I noticed that when a lot of times when I used to make beats around prodigy, that nigger would rap on anything I made. You know what I'm saying? And I do believe that certain beats that we turned into hits, if I was to give it to somebody else, they probably wouldn't even like the beat. They'd have been like, oh, whatever. You know what I mean?

Shit like that. So. What's your favorite drink that you produce that it's not Marvie? Yeah, hands down, I don't have to say. why by Jada Kiss yeah but the Jada Kid shit because he just

he bodyed it you know what I'm saying I didn't know what he was going to do to it you know what I'm saying and it just turned into one of those records it's a simple record but you know nevertheless you know what I'm saying is it's some shit that I produced that it really went for and how about the dream you did for big right

yeah last days last days I did that but um the original beat got lost and shit the original beat got lost and then I had to do it over oh wow so you like the original beat of them I like them both the original one popped up

online you know what I'm saying somewhere you know a couple of years ago and it was like you know what I'm saying it's a debate but the joint yeah that was the first record that people I think heard the locks on you know what I'm saying like period last days

you live on my last days how much has your production style changed since when you did infamous I would like to believe that it didn't change a lot you know what I mean But actually the style that you make the way you make the beat actually is what I really mean From wait from juvenile hell yeah oh to the infamous Oh no from infamous to now Oh from infamous to now Oh not juvenile I mean because I'm just saying he he did more on this

So I feel like you really got your production chops on infamous Right So from then on, like, you already got your style there. How much has your style changed the way you make the beat? You know, to be honest with you, like, my style hasn't changed much. It stayed the same. And, you know, sometimes that could be frustrating, you know what I'm saying? To me, you know what I mean?

Like, the equipment might change, but my style is still the same. Like, you know what I mean? But I like it because I just want to stay in that bag. I really don't want to, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? I just want to just do me. like I don't want to like chase hits and shit like that you know what I mean so it's a it's pros and cons to it my style is definitely it's the same so the machinery never changes the no I did I did you know what I I don't fuck with the NPC no more but um something similar to it you know what I mean like I still sample you know I still use the keyboard and shit like that

Thomas time. Yeah, let's do it. Bring LES in for that. Okay. You got QuickTime, guys? Oh, look at you guys. No point. Let's bring Elie S in. Yeah.

You got to explain them again? Yeah, so this is basically a this or that type of game. Like, we're going to say two things. If you pick one, we're not drinking. Pick one, we're not drinking. But if you say both or neither, like you really don't want to answer it. And we all

drinking. Okay. But it's not to dis-nobody because people think we're trying to peg people just to bring up

stories. If something comes up a story with anybody we talk about in any place, please let's go into that story.

And it's whatever criteria in your mind. It could be this person made the best spaghetti you ever had in your life.

It could be anything, you know? All right? You ready? Noz or L. L. I'm from QB. Um, so you would think that, you know, automatically I'll say, I,

Nass is the homie for life. L.L. Just recently said some really dope shit to me. Uh, I'm going to have to take a drink to that. Okay, let's take a drink to that. Salo. So does that mean, same both? Yeah, yeah, they're saying both.

Yeah, yeah, they're both. Queens legends. Yeah, absolutely. Or too much of a shot for myself. That was too much. Q-tip or large pro? Shit. Ooh.

both damn no he's both yeah both yeah okay damn I'm in tell if you need I need another shot over here hmm ooh

he's doing tequila no you want to stick with the sake want to fuck with the sock I got this next because this is a family affair for y'all yeah I know

trash or Capone you know he's a he got to get him back he said he's a trash and Capone oh man they both the homies Not out the folks of legend.

Why do you come up with these? These guys over here. What do you call that section? I don't call it that section. The cocaine section. That's the Colombian and Dominican over there. They go over there and they write you these questions. You got to take that shot anyway, though.

That's for his last shot. Yeah, okay. Yeah, for me it's both. Okay. I already took the shot for that. Did we take the shot? I did, because I knew it. I had to say both.

I had to say both. But hold on. Make sure he's got set up for the, yeah, he might need a couple shot cups there because this is looking bad right now. But, uh, Onyx or Lost Boys?

Onics are, oh, man, damn. Queens, Queens, Queens, Queens, Queens, Queens. I'm gonna go with Lost Boys. You, okay, he's picking. I'm gonna go with both. You don't go to both?

All right, yeah. You got a drink, too? Not, not, not, not you go. You picked. Well, no, it's kind of all of us. It's a family affair. Yeah. Oh, man.

Oh, well, this, MC Shan or Karras one? No, that's easy. That's easy. MC Shan. For sure. Come on, guys. No, I'm playing.

No, shout out to Shan. Nature or Royal Flush? Man, they both the homies. They're both the homies, man. You know what I mean? I'm going to go with both. I got to go with both. Yeah, okay.

We got to go. We got to go with drinks. I'm low over here. Yeah, yeah. You can make them smaller shots for it. He got a performance tonight, man. We do not want to be the reason that performance goes, hey, why. Yeah, small shots for him.

No, no, no, that's way too much. Yeah, smaller shots. Or you could sip it and do half and half. Okay, got you. Do half and half. Yeah. We do not want to be the reason that goes ahead. Fuck that.

I want to be the reason. No, you got fans coming out there to watch. I'm coming out too. What's that? We got analog or digital? Oh, yeah. Analog. Analog, for sure.

Analog. Analog on date, but you're still not, but you're not analog now. Yeah, nah, you'd be surprised. You still run some stuff through analog? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

I got the, you know what I mean? I got the turntable going through to the drum machine. Would you still go to SSL board and still record? But you won't go real to real. That you won't do.

Nah, no. Damn. No. Yeah, he went back. He took it back. Um, Cooji rapper, Slick Rick. man damn I fuck with them both

uh both remember I got a DJ bro let's go and you gotta give us a Koogee rap story I know you got a Koozy rap story Please and both we got Yeah you know I wasn't even

then when they did that record Word! Yeah word the mother I wasn't even there I came later and I heard that they did this shit and the shit was crazy. Right. I got a little G-Rap story. Yeah, he used to come to the hood. You know what I mean?

He's like... He got into Michael. Yeah, he was, he was family of, I think it was freedom, well, was it, was it one somebody that freedom was dating? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He was family, but he used to come through

your block all the time. He's a come through, he's to jump out the car. He's a walk through with his son, walk in the joint, and he always had a little biscuit. That's all I just to see. Oh, shit. with his kid with him

yeah it was real back then yeah he just coming in you know on the check in wasn't doing none you know wasn't selling no drugs

wasn't you know just family trip to the hood good let's see where we are now only built for Cuban links are ready to die

only bill for Cuban links you open business sure that purple tape is crazy yeah Just had the anniversary, what was it? Yeah, 30th anniversary.

Yeah, we're doing the 30th anniversary, too. Wow, together. Yeah. Yeah, right. Crazy. November. November. And where you're going?

Everywhere. Okay. We're doing the States. We got 18 dates in the States. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's going to be dope. We're hitting all the main spots. You're not going to Europe?

I know. I don't know. We never know. We might take it over there, you know what I'm right? Never know. You know that. Run DMC or EPMD? Oh, man. You know, we used to want to be like EPMD and shit like that.

I love EPMD. Um, but, you know what I mean? Run DMC. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know. I don't think there's no MPMD without run DMC. Exactly. So I got to go with run DMC.

Yeah, same, right? Yeah, same. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well not leave Queens for any of these answers. Andre 3,000 or Black Thought? Oh, man, Black Thorpe. Black Thornt, you know what I'm saying? I love Andreth,000, but on Black Thought, man, that is pen game.

It's fucking amazing. Pusher or Fab? For sure. Fab. Oh, man. I fuck with them both, really. You know what I'm saying? I do fuck with them both.

Um, I fuck with them both. All right. See, you do half a shot. You ain't got to go crazy. Produce anything for either of them? I never produced nothing for FAB or nothing for push. They both slip with it. Right.

They don't produce. And that new push album is crazy. That new Clips album, that new Clips album is like, you know what I'm saying? I like it because it sounds like now. It sounds like back then, but now. Right, right, exactly. Well, produced. Well, put this thing on that.

Yeah, for sure. Nah, they got their foot on niggas next right now. with that one, you know what I'm saying? And Ray's new album is crazy, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, and raise new clothes. Yeah, I'm going to, I love fighting. That's crazy. Not hip hop.

Hip hop is. Nah, it's alive and well. Cross generations. Don't matter, man. Hip hop is going crazy right now. Beats is knocking. You heard a push and said about y'all. He said, Mar-Deepe over everybody.

Yeah, man, I had to repost that shit. I was like, absolutely. Nah, I book, I fuck a push for that. You know what I'm saying? Word out. Alchemist or the Rizzo? I fuck with the boat You're putting me in a

You put me in a tight boat You feel me Hey we all got a drink Yeah we got to take a shot to that Go on let's do it But wait Alias you too You too

Yeah for sure Both of them I mean that's a tough call there Okay Ghost face and met the man Shots Chats up Yeah

Make sure we get the IV ready for having performing. So we drink in for that? I'm trying to think around over here. I drink already. Because you're spinning for them. Cybers Hills or dog pound?

Cypress Hills is a dog pound. Damn. Uh, fuck. Um, I like them both. I fuck with them both.

Use a both type of guy. Yeah. Uh, I'm a, I'm a, damn. Now, I see when you said I like producing better than emceeing because, yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's like, just put it right out. You know what I'm saying? Two of them, the best. I fuck with niggins.

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Ice Cube all day. I'm going to go with Scarface. Okay. So. I'm not mad at either. Hey. Big three. Now, you know I produced that.

That favor for favor for on Nas, John, I produced that. Oh, you did that? Oh, yeah. For Scarface, right? The Scarface. You produced that? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. Favorite. Yeah. Really? Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's what Scarpe's on it, right?

Yeah, that's a classic. Wow, wow. That's a great record, man. Beautiful record. No sample, too. And it sounds like a sound. I mean, the way, you know, I sampled the keyboard after my keyboard player played it. I sampled it back in.

Yo, that's a classic, man. That's dope. Well, this is you. This is queen stuff, man. I can't, I can't, I can't, I never be Queens guys. Coliseum or Queen Center? Oh, Coliseum or Queen Center more? Then I didn't even.

Coliseum or Queens Center. I'm going to say Dayland Mall or Aventura. Coliseum. Coliseum ain't even there no more. That's not even there no more, bro. Crazy. When? Yeah, they took it out.

Yeah. I don't think that's close to your career. Like a couple of months ago? Like a last year? Yeah. Like D. Like D. Like D.

Like D. Like D. Okay. Because I remember going, that's what was just in it. So Benny gone? Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah.

All that shit is done. Wow. So all that shit is done. It's over. Probably 20 to. So you all this? Complex building. Now, I picked the Coliseum.

Why are the Coliseum? Just, for someone who doesn't understand. You know, Coliseum is legendary. You know what I'm saying? That's where everybody. Cherkeens used to be in there. That's right. Everybody used to get the jewelry.

I was like hip-hop. Benny. Benny's a Jewel. Queen since is more like, cool. Yeah, that's what I said, Benny. Benny, Benny, go on. Like, hey, right, no, Benny. .

Wow. Get your first chain from Denny. All right. Mike Geronimo or Lloyd Banks? Thanks, Geronimo, Louis Banks, dog. Interesting pair of. Mike Geronimo, that's my guy all day,

but I'll go with Lloyd Banks. Right. Banks for sure. Is Lloyd Banks, Queens, too? Queens all day. Yeah? Okay, so you stayed Queens. Okay, I just want to make sure.

We had Queens. I thought you were leaving Queens, but I stayed in Queens. We got deep to Queens right now. Swiss Beats or Timberland? Swiss Beets. beats of Timberland. I'm going to go with Swiss beats. I'm going to Swiss.

Swiss beats. All right. Machine or MPC Studio? Well, I'm... Hold on. You said MPC. I mean, look, hasn't the producer, he wrote it? Studio. Studio. That, okay. I'm on a

Renaissance. I'm going with the matching. I'm still on the table like this right now. Yeah, I don't know. Nothing. Nothing? Nothing. Yeah, so, okay. He uses the machine. That's it.

That's it. He uses the machine. Oh, use the machine? Yeah, the machine. Yeah, I use the NPC. The Renaissance, the one. Okay. And then I used F, I just got into FL, so I'm kind of a little nice with it.

I don't want to speak about it too much. Like, who do we have that was using only fruit loops? Nice with that FL. Southside was using only fruit loops for the make beats, yeah. Making a whole lot of money, too. Right. Hey, man, however you make the beat, man. I don't have to kick out.

Yeah, however you make it. I don't understand why we keep this. This is L.A. or Miami? L.A. or Miami? You know, I'll probably both places, but, you know, East Coast, Miami. Miami all day. You sit on the East Coast. All day.

You get him quick. Miami. Yeah, quick from New York. You got to go six hours. Shea Stadium or City Field? Shea Stadium. Shea Stadium. Yeah, I like the original.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. City Field is dope, but it's super commercial. Right. It don't look the same. You know, Shade Stadium was blue. You know what I'm saying? The Apple used to pop up. Do it still do that? No, Shish Stadium's closed.

Oh, no, no. She's saying that's in the city field. The Apple still come up. Oh, I don't know. It's fly, though, bro. It's fly. I think they're trying to put a carbone in there. Really?

Yeah, yeah, City Field. That's crazy. It's just, like, growing up in my childhood, like Shea Stadium and felt like that was an off version of, like, Connie Allen almost. Like, you know what I'm saying? and like it had aura to it like right now i don't see it like i mean city field it's just it's just it's just up it's you know upgrade it the jo and jay podcast is a million dollars worth the game these are these guys because not us saying it i'll fuck with both of the podcast i'll take

a shot right let's do it got to take a shot in there because they both we're all podcast family yeah they start you guys trying to start podcast these what's going on bro They're trying to start that podcast. No, uh, all right. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty or respect. Uh, I would go with respect. Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm saying? Because I respect, they're not going to handle loyalty. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah. I go respect, too. Mm-hmm. That's cool.

And so that's it for Quick Time of Slime. Good time is there. Yeah, we're still, big noise not here yet? Yeah. No, man, he like, Okay. And we have to get, we have to get it early. Let me, let me ask, right?

Because it's famous two, two things that I want to ask you, right? One is, how did you feel when the Jay-Z thing happened? Like, like... The Nas J-Z? No, no, no, no. The mall-deep. J-Z. And how did this happen?

Because I didn't see this. Yeah. I didn't see the... Right. That was before the Nas joint, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But almost at the same time, because... I mean, you know, it was an error.

It was that whole period. But that was what I'm saying. But let's, if we put it in order, it's before. Yeah, I think the mom deep should happen first. And then. So what happened because Jay said, is this true? Pull the pointing at each other. Jay said, it's like New York been soft ever since Snoop came through and crushed the business.

Right. And Prodigy took offense to that. He really took offense to that. Because y'all responded. But we didn't respond yet. No, I'm saying he responded. responded to the brushing of the buildings. Yeah.

Oh, we did. We did. We, yeah, you guys. You guys did. Yeah, I mean, I think we was the only the only one fuck is that, you know. I can turn it from my name and we saw only you guys respond to that. That's right.

That's right. You can make us up. How did they get a J-ZE mob deep? How did that, how did that happen? Like, right? Because, because I, I, I, I, I believe, you know, look, not I believe it. This is true.

Jay-Z loved a prodigy. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was, I believe he was a prodigy fan, like, for sure, right? He used, P's sample, aluminum out of my mind, that's right, that's right. He respected P. He respected P. looked at Benham,

as a lyricist, as a top lyricist. So when he found out that prodigy says something about him not to his liking, you know what I'm saying? In a magazine, you know, and he's competitive. Yeah, what happened on this magazine? Yeah, yeah, basically, basically, this has to be the source.

I forgot what magazine was. We're trying to be in a start here. Okay, okay. We're trying to be journalists, but we're not trying to do. I think of what magazine it was. But basically, Prodigy said Jay-Z's, the B word. Like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, wow.

You know what I'm saying? Because I believe whoever was interviewing people was like, yo, what you think about, you know, Jay-Z saying New York was soft? He took offense to it because it's like, what? just did L-A-L-A like, you know, how could he say that? Like, you know what I mean? So he was like, oh, you know, I don't think he meant it like that.

Like, you know what I'm saying? But that's how Jay-Z took it, you know what I'm saying? If he said, oh, man, Jay-Z's a whatever word, you know what I mean? And, you know, Jay-Z's competitive. He was like, I mean, this is at everybody's prime, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, so then he just did that line and then he just did the summer jam shit. Right. And we was overseas when we found out about that.

Right. You know, that was crazy. And the internet is not really popular So y'all had to get actual phone calls about that, right? Right. So we didn't have, yeah, we didn't have the internet yet after that. So we did get phone calls about that. Let me ask a sidebar question.

Did Jayzy respond to anything with the dog pound or anything? Not that I don't know. With the dog pound. What do you mean? To the whole thing that happened. Oh, the L.A.L.A.? Yeah. No, we're the only ones.

We just clap for that. And then Royal Flusch as well, worldwide, worldwide. Your word flush, yeah, yeah, you produced that. Yeah, well, why? So you got in the beef, you got in it. But did nobody else respond to that at all? I didn't really realize because that, how did that affect their problem? You know what I mean?

Like, like, like, and did you between Jay Z and 30 pounds? No, no, no, with Jay Z and Mop and Maw, yeah. Right. Because did you feel like that was a Mop D beef with Jay or you felt like it's a prodig? JZ beef in all honesty. Because it turned into a prodigy JZB. I mean, eventually maybe it morphed into that

but the fans don't know the difference. You know what I'm saying? Like the fans ain't picking like, oh yeah, that's what it's a mob deep and JZ beef. And even though we know it's not real beef, now when you finally get around Jay Z, you feel like it's beef. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it was, I just think it was just

some competitiveness shit, but you know what I mean? I don't think P meant it like that like that, but, you know, When you're talking like that, you know what I'm saying? And it's a competitive sport, you know, people are going to respond. But I do see a prodigy's point. Like, you know, we was, you know, CNN, Marble Deep, you know what I'm saying? Trads was the only one that really held New York down, you know what I'm saying, in that moment.

And, you know, sometimes you could say we didn't get the credit we deserved for that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, everything is cool now, of course. I love it. It's beautiful. You know what I mean? This is old historic shit Yeah, it was some tough times

No, no, it was some serious It was tough But then, you know, when people started And I want to say it didn't register When you said Mobb Deep JZ Because I only thought of it as a prodigy And JZB Because of what happened

10097 The fans don't think of it like that That's how I registered it You guys say as a prodigy Yeah, because of how we know What transpired You know the 10097 with the thing And staying, you know, like, that's how I thought of it.

Never thought of it as a mob deep versus Jay-Z. Because that was, that was like, like, you had to always go through, like, P. Like, I remember we was in SOVs one night. And it's like, you always, you always go through with Pete. Do you feel like that? Like, I mean, in a funny way, we know, you know our brother's not here, but do you feel like Pee was always starting shit and it's just like you were just in there by me? mistake.

You know, I got a partner, too, so I know what I'm saying. Do you feel like that? Oh, yeah, man, you know what I'm saying? I do feel like that, like, but. Taking strays? I definitely was catching strays, you know what I'm saying? But at the, at the same time, you got to be down for your homie like that. You know what I'm saying?

It is what it is. Like, even if I thought he was wrong at any point, yeah, that's impracting. I'm going to say, I'm going to talk to him and be like, oh, son, like, what the fuck you're doing? Like, but in public, I'm like, yeah, then. you can fuck those niggas like,

you know what to because you gotta ride with your niggas you know that's how I feel about

now pop let's drop the gym on them right right I was mad

pock and just me he said this all the time he wanted he wanted he wanted to smoke I didn't know I wanted to smoke

I'm just saying they was like damn he said he was like That's more money. That's what I'm Like that's a hard of it. That's what I'm working.

But that's that That it was ill. Like, you know, obviously I'm playing, but it's a part of history. But Pock, like,

it's a known thing. Like, if you beef with 50 now, right, like you kind of like get his audience or like he gets you this audience.

Yeah. It's almost like he likes you if he beats with you. Yes. That's almost like what it feels like. Right. Now, Pop.

yeah kind of that was that back then yeah or did y'all how did you how did you how did you feel saying you know pop pop went at y'all like this is one of the argument you know what I mean I mean you know I was

fucking elated you know what I'm saying but let's because for people that don't know what we're talking about yeah where exactly because all I remember it's because of LA and like it right he talked about you at the end of hit him up right hit him up yeah he was just talking at the end

mm-hmm yep everything is just a blur I don't know why You know what he did? No, I'm not like he was just saying whatever at the end of that stuff. No, because of L.A. L.A. L.A.? I don't know. I believe it was a combination of things, right? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Okay, so on Survivor of the fittest, we like, a thug life, we still live in it. Oh, that could be it. I did hear that. And at the time, he had an article in the Vibe magazine where he was like, you know, I don't want to do this thug shit no more, you know, blah, blah, blah. So he probably thought that we was like, dog, like we still living in. Like what he doing.

We still, you know what I mean? Like that. So he was thinking that and the piled up on top of L.A. L.A., he like, man, fuck these niggas. You know what I think? Yeah, yeah. I don't even think of it like that. Oh.

Even though when you hear the backstory now, you hear Park was mad at Snoop. Mm-hmm. And like, no, but that was after. No, but it was. But not I had him up time. No. Yeah. Nah, I didn't hear that.

I heard. I heard him. I think I heard he was mad at Snoop, but I heard that was at way after. No, after like that time frame, he was mad at him when he went to the radio station around the same time that they recorded that. No, not hit him up. No, not. No, not hit him up, bro.

Yeah, you know, you talk, I don't know, maybe, it's way longer. Some of the story now there was in there. Trust me, that was like almost years later. I don't think it was years later. I'm telling you, bro, like, trust me, I was in that. No one said my name I was like, damn. You're like me.

And drop a gym on them, right? That was like the response? That was the response. But y'all didn't say his name. What was the, what was, was that strategically played? Because I think that, that was the arrow when the subs was the thing. You wasn't really just saying. The sub was louder than the actual thing.

So we, yeah, we threw the sub, but, you know, we might as well had said his name. And it was a good record. It was a great record. It was good for us. But then we had to pull the record, you know what I'm saying? Why? Really? Yeah, I mean, he died.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Oh. Yeah, but it was stubs. So why would you have to pull it? I mean, everybody knew that that was like a comeback record. It felt like obligated, like respectfully. And it was our first single to our next album. And it was too close to that time frame.

To hell on earth. We was like, oh, word? We're coming back shots firing. Drop a gym on them. That shit was going crazy. High 97 took it. You know what I'm saying? And the next thing you know, a week later, this nigga gets shot.

God bless the dead So we like Damn I didn't know that And we pulled the record Yeah I don't think we understand We didn't even let the record company Pull the record We didn't even let the record

You know what I'm saying Because we That's not You know what I mean Like we don't We don't You know And those are driving

Somebody getting shot So let me ask you this How did you guys Feel that That moment that you found out he got, you know, he passed. How did I feel? Yeah, like, how did that impact, y'all?

I felt like it was a, like, a war on rappers, you know what I'm saying? Like, if one rapper gets shot, like, I feel like, we, like, it's a target on all of us. Because we, at the end of the day, you know, like, yeah, this is some street shit and down the third, but we are artists, too. You know what I'm saying? We artists and we just, we, we, we preach and the gospel, you know, but you had camaraderie still. Exactly. Like, I, I believe in my mind if I eventually would have saw Tupac, we would have been figured out.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how, like, so we, you know, we're going to go with each other, you know what I'm saying? As we all should, you know what I mean? But, yeah, when he said, fuck him all deep, I was out. That shit was out of living away. I'm not sure. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

I wasn't mad at that at all. You know what I'm saying? Then he went back and then on someone else, right? Um, what's that shit? Well, there was the mix tape that came right after. Maca Belli. He said something again. I was like, yo, I'm here, bro.

You were women's black, like, this is me, bro? That was my record. You were just in AI. He was in me, man. He was, he probably looked at Norrie and Capol resume and said, nah, not dumb. Not dumb, they too, they too, they didn't. Right, right now. So, we were not doing guys.

No, but he dissed you. I thought he disused you. Damn, but you're from a guy. You're trying to do that. No, no. No, the way he said, he said, I don't know. Oh, and you little niggas, he called on. Not verbatim, he said something like mobbed and their mother motherfuckers, like.

You got to dig you right. I'm okay. Why are you wanting to be the other motherfuckers? I already knew you something like, he's just these guys. Okay, all right, cool. I take that. I take that he acknowledged me a little bit. That's right.

Let's take a shout of Rodergy and two parts. Rest in peace, man. I take a full of. Flowers? Yes. No, I didn't make it. Or he's going here. So our show is why they're flowers, man.

They flowers while they're here. Now they're not. Both of y'all are legends. We wanted to give you your both, your flowers. Thank you. Thank you. He wasn't doing the flowers before. Hey.

Hey. Yeah, look, and we made it the prodigy as well. So if you get the part of his family, we appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank y'all, man. Snoop said it's better than a Grammy because it's from his people. You know what I mean?

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Illmatic. That time, that infamous. That was a crazy era. And then I think Pono Norega became didn't it's a war report. Yeah, I'm about to say the war report. You know what I always thought about, bro? Like, if that bullshit didn't happen with you on,

you might be produced the whole war report album, bro. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't, you're saying something that we're not understanding. What happened? I don't even know what happened We don't know what happened You know what happened You know what?

You know what? Like he wrote in the book, you know what I believe he said that you snuffed trash And you just said that that was physically, you know Not possible But, you know, that's what it is And But we were like this, bro Like we was

We were like this and I always You know When I heard that Like I always like It was a situation that I regret it even being a part of You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, especially as an older person now, it's like, damn, bro, like, over a girl or something

shit like that, like, that was, I was so, like, seeing it and more of the, like, it was hand, it was hand. It felt like from outsiders, it felt hand in hand. Right. Yeah, bro. Like, that's why I said, that's why I said to start. We made some dope, we made some dope. We made some dope shit together. What's parole violators? Pervote is still to this day. Amazing. Until to this day, I walked in, I swear to God, swear to God. I walked in a, um, um, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, a place in the Mafi Coast, and they had a drink in there called Parole. So as soon as I walked in, I don't even think, I ain't even know these motherfuckers knew me.

And they played parole violators. I swear to God, I was like, holy shit. Wow. So, like, just imagine, like, a real mob deep scene and then the album. That would have been crazy. That would have been really crazy. That would have been nuts. That's definitely back then.

Yeah. Nikes was in a bag with the lyrics, you know what I'm saying? You remember the joint y'all got on a Capono Noriega album? Yeah. I forget how I go. Oh, fuck. I was just listening to it. But us, us together, like, that shit sounds so good.

Like, holy moly gar comoli. Oh, like, that's like... I'm taking a shot. We got to. You got to get that on there. We got to see it in there. You know what I mean? Listen, I know probably he's not here, but you guys can still do this shit.

Absolutely. You guys are not dead. You're alive. Let's fucking do... Absolutely. What can be done, bro. Yeah, no, but it's dope to even think of what if, you know what if, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's dope to think of that.

What if? You guys are still here. We can do what's now. You know what I'm saying? We can do what's now. Right. Yeah. I'm down.

Yeah, hell yeah. I got about two. I got about two or three beats on there. Right, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. So, if God came down and said, have it, you got to save Earth, make one song.

With one feature, one producer, who are you picking? And one feature? One feature? Yeah. And who's going to produce it? Yeah, yeah. All right, who are going to produce it? Uh, damn.

Uh, it got to be a hip-hop producer? No, whatever you want. Anybody? All right. Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson. Yes. You co-producing him Or you're going to let him take the league

No, I'll co-produce me I did some of that royalty You never worked with me at all? No, man, I wish I wish I could swear that I could see you that you've worked at all I mean, you know, I sampled this work. I mean, you know, I samples, good, samples Uh, what, like,

one time Farrell called me and was like, man I said Michael Jackson Some beats And Michael Jackson was like I don't go fuck about that shit I want I want that super thug shit Like wow

What is the weirdest person That called you for beasts They called me Like a pop artist That you never thought Oh man My memory is so fucked up But a few of them called

And I was like Are you serious? Like Damn I can't even think A bit Who called you for some weird Shit I did all the weird shit I did all of the Will Smith

J-Lo, anytime anybody call me. Yeah, do all that shit. Fuck it. What's the joint you did for Will Smith? I did, uh, welcome to Miami. And I did, uh... Okay, I don't like you for that one, though.

I did five. I know you spoke about that the last time. Right. That's cool, though. And on a, uh, get jiggie with it. Did you know, I was right? Yeah, he called what? He called.

Okay, he called. Will Smith tried to say he did. I like, Will, come on, man. I did you know that's running with track, so I did five records on that album. I know, oh shit. So you did get jiggy with it? Get jiggy with it, the one with him and left eye, or Will and left eye.

That's the one Knows Rope for Will. Okay. Yeah. And then what else? Oh, man, welcome to Miami. Welcome to Miami. Yep. Yep.

Welcome to Miami. Don't, don't deny that shit. Come on now. Come on. I'd be a fool lying and it'd be playing. I'll be, you know, that's just popping. But for my ass, three, oh, hey. But look, it's a phone call.

Yeah, I don't like that. You'd ask what kind of, if the phone call come in, I'm coming. No, you're good. You're good. You're good. A real Miami guy. And that's a hit record It's a classic

But it's not trick daddy It's not It's not trick daddy then So if you go to a party to the DJ You ain't put throwing right on? I'm sorry, man I'm sorry

I'm never going to I'm not playing with evil But look It plays But I'm proud of you For that record Thank you Shout to Will Smith

No Shout to Will Smith. No, he's a legend So let me ask y'all Independent or Major Independent Independent

Independent. For sure. I mean, especially these days. You know what I mean? Because now these days it's not all about trying to like, you know, make new fans. It's about catering to the ones you have and just, you know, keeping them on board and you just keep them happy. And you just keep, you know what I'm saying, hit them all. So I believe the independent way.

How would you ask that as an artist too? Who me? Yeah, independent or. You want to meet it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he don't. I like the budget, bro. Hold on, I just want everybody to look

how he would answer that question. Look at his shirt. I like the budgets, bro. Yeah, he's dead ass. That shirt, too. Major label. He's major label. He's taking me to whoever the fuck is not here.

Yeah, he said, he made you. You know, listen, listen, I'm not going to be, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. No, he's been honest. Independent is, is you definitely, if you comply it, the correct way, You could always make bread to do that. But I'm not saying I missed the days where it was just easy. Like that check, you came in, that check was there.

You were like, oh, okay. Go to the next. Let me go straight to the studio. Let me go straight to the studio, finish my shit, get my other half of the check, and be cool. Got nothing to worry about. Then when I'm on tour, I don't care about the hotels. They booked already.

He's got to walk in. He's got to work in. He's got one. Right? I work on. I work all. I don't want to go back to the Charitons, man. I'm saying, man, please.

Hey, but sometimes going back to the Sheraton, get you, I'll go back to the Sheraton. Get you, yeah, what you're talking about, independent? Yeah, that's what you've got to do independent. It makes no sense to stay at these nice hotels when you're on that role. It makes it, so you have to, like, you know what I mean?

Like, word. That's your whole budget. Yeah, yeah, without that work. Shit, them four seasons, boy, that's serious in the fourth season, man. You can't. Do you guys find it hard to find, like, passion to make new music. Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah, man. Like, yeah, man.

I think it's an artist, too. It's different. I feel like it's some of the artists that's be hard because some of the artists that's rapping ain't rapping for what we're trying to make. Alchemist, you live on drink champs. Oh, shit. Yeah, we're waiting for you. Well, can we come and sit with you guys on the 18th? Absolutely, I believe. On the 18th. Yeah, it's a done deal, yes.

Between the 18th and everything in between. What time is shooting? We usually do on 4 o'clock, 4 p.m. Yeah, 4 p.m. Yep. We'll hop on an early flight on Monday. Yeah. Yeah.

And come sit with you guys. Thank you. Let's make some noise for Erica. My doing this. We got Havoc and L-E-S here. We got Havoc and L-E-S here. We got Havocke and L-E-S here. Oh, awesome. Yeah. What's our family?

Yeah. We can't wait. We can't wait. Well, make sure that I got some X-O, please. Okay, of course. It's done deal. Whatever you need. Whatever you need.

Thank you so much. So, who do you need to contact on my team for the writer and all that kind of stuff? Okay. I'm going to send this to Alchemism right now. Because I got you live. on the show. I don't want to say that over the phone. I'm going to send it through the text right now. Yes, and my million

dollars, you can just put it in a I got you. Thank y'all so much. We hit y'all back. Yep, yep. Yo, I love you guys. Yeah, it's havoc. I'm glad. I'm glad. Mom is back doing what we got to do. Thank you, Noree. Yep, thank you. I was there right now.

God damn it. We're going to make it happen. I'm going to text you all. I'm going to text you. I love you. All right, same here, brother. Make some noise. Stay peace. Make some noise. Make some noise.

Everybody's an optimist. That was hard randomly. You know what I'm saying? Random, super random. It seems like everybody's doing collab albums now. Yeah, for sure. Who would you do a collab album with? Oh, man, shit.

A lot of people, man. Jada. Jada? Now, collab with Jada. You're rhyming or you just producing his album? I'll just produce. You'll just produce? I just produce on that one.

Yeah. You don't want to keep the big. and the bars from this nigga, this guy. He's got the cocaine still, like, he bugging out, you know what I'm saying? And he got the bars, he got thinking of this shit for days, damn, hold on, slow that. But you'll produce? I would produce definitely for sure, you know what I'm saying? Definitely a Jada album for sure.

Okay. That's what so. That's one of my favorite emcees. Dan, is one of your favorite emcees? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely one of my favorite emcees for sure. Who somebody you haven't produced for all that you would like to produce? that I haven't produced for that I like to produce

hmm Jay yeah I definitely yeah I'll definitely look for Jay I can see that I think that should be crazy

I could see that I think that should be great yeah I think that should be great you're taking a shot for that I feel like it's just appropriate at this point let's take a shot for that I got two

well somebody that you ain't produced for that you were like to I would love to produce for Jay Cole Jay Cole Yeah I would love to produce for Jay Cole I met him one time and he was like Real big Nott's fan like

Oh I was like Elliot He turned around like Right Like yo get him You know what I mean So we chopped it up but That would be dope And I've been speaking to your homie

Oh Capone Oh yeah okay Because you know me and his My pops and his pops They're their best friends And then, you know, they're the number crew, the number right, so got a little, yeah, got that little, yeah, yeah, so we went speaking. Okay, okay.

We spoke on the text, I sent them a few things. Okay, okay, hell yeah. What up, huh? Oh, yeah. And let me ask you all something different. Like, we said what ifs, right? Mm-hmm. What do you think it would be like if 50 cent and John Rule never had beef?

Oh, my God. If they never had beef, how would it be? I think I think they probably would have made records together they definitely would have made records Yeah That's it

You know it was an awkward moment When he was in a New York New York video Who was in the New York video You was in there too mom I thought they were scheming on you so bad I said let's get them out of here Let's get him out of here

You know what I mean And you thought you was low He was at the murder a lot, but I decided to do you in the next week. I was like, listen, have I can see this shit. We are gone. You was in a range drove. I was like, I don't know, let's get in my shit.

You got good to my car. You remember what I was talking about, right? Yeah, that shit is crazy. But how is that? Like, you actually worked with 50 Cent. You went on tour. I did all that. How is that?

Nah, that shit was dope, you know what I mean? Because after we got, you know, dropped from jobs, you know what I'm saying? You gave me a call. Like, yo, I want to sign y'all and, you know what I mean? When you say you got drop for a job, is that amical ways where you wanted to be like I wanted to go to or you wanted to stay? No, I want to, we wanted to go to because, you know, they didn't really do right by the album, you know what I'm saying?

I don't think that they really knew what to do with Mom Deep, but it was just a play that, you know, Chris Lighty put together, you know what I'm going to say, Chris Lighty got a gig over there. So he's like, yo, fuck it, y'all got a deal. I thought Dave Lighty had to gig over there. I believe it was Chris Chris had the gig over there and he brought us over there with him and you know to me the album did good you know what I'm saying

to sell 150,000 copies in your first week yeah that's that's that's that's gold automatically you ship gold automatically right but back then they like that you know that wasn't good for them yeah but job is like a

a pop label like Columbia yeah it's like Britney Spitz John has a tribe. That's right. But then let's talk about, so then you started working with 50. Let's talk about that. And G-Unit.

Yeah, so then we, you know, we got pushed into the G-Unit movement, which was dope because it was just a bunch of fellas from Queens, you know what I mean, just felt like, you know what I'm saying? It seemed dope from the outside. Oh, yeah. It looked like a dope environment. It was dope because the energy, the energy was crazy, you know what I mean? Like, you know, Mom Deep at that point, we was used to doing venues, you know, like 1,000, 2,000 people. maybe $3,000.

But then when we started fucking with 50, we was fucking doing stadiums. You know what I mean? And that shit was, you know, it introduced us to a, you know, a bigger audience. You know what? You know, the fans was like kind of, our fans was like kind of coming at us.

And I'm like, for what? Like, you know what? They were mad at you? Yeah, because, you know, like sometimes people just, I think artists to fans are like their children. Like, they don't want to see their children. Oh, I love that break. I love that break down.

I don't know. I've never heard it before. But I understand exactly what you're saying. That's how they feel. The fan thinks they're the parent and you're the children. Right. So if they see us do a different, they don't want to see us grow. They don't want to see nothing. They want their baby to stay the same.

It's like, nah. You got to go through your own growing experience. No, that's real shit. That's real shit. I've never heard that. But that's a great thing. I thought what you guys did on the junior shit It was dope, too.

It was very mob deep. Not exactly. I mean, and it was Queens, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like I said, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes the fans, I mean, they don't want to see. You thought the fans was coming at you for being on you? Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

You know, I don't pay attention to a lot of comments most of the time, but, you know, when you sometimes, you bump into a lot of, like, hardcore mob deep fans, you know, they just, like, they mob deep. You understand what I'm saying? And they just don't want, they don't care. It could have been with anybody. You don't even know what level of fan. They might be just infamous fans.

Like, this is where they stay. They don't get, they live there only, you know. They don't want you to order with nobody else. Just stay like you all. Stay dirty. You know what I mean? Don't move. Well, you got money?

No, no. We don't like me, though. I don't know. I thought we were being funny, but it's not, it's real. It's actually true. Like, I mean, we didn't. You feel like, I said. You know, I read my comments, like, you're like, you're in the mafia coast.

Yes, you're like, you get mad at hip-hop, not keep it real. Like, you want to keep it real. You want me to keep it real if you're not in that environment no more. Yeah. Keeping it real is where you keep progressing to be in. Exactly. No, but you fucked up, you say, no matter how much elude I get, I'm staying in the projects, you fuck. Hell, hell, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, you need that to get in the same. But check it, though. But for real, for real. But we still in the project. But think about it, think about it, like in 1994, you know, 1995, we really felt like that. Like, like, all right, and paid it full, right? Remember the movie?

Yes, of course. The character, he was like, yo, man, this haul him, like, I don't want to go nowhere else. This is this is where I get the love at. It's their world, right? That was real. Niggas in the hood could relate to that. Yeah, why would you mean? I want to leave out of here.

Yeah, yeah. This is what I get to love at, you know what I'm saying? So that's what the line stem from, but, you know what I'm saying? when you start making money, you know what you realize. And you see you're on the line. Thinking about it. We still love it. You still love it.

We love the people. Oh, yeah. And you want that for the people as well. You want the people to be able to. And you know, they said Ron Ortiz, bought the duplex in the hood and gutted out the upstairs and made the apartment complex townhouse. Like a new store.

Like a penthouse. We got on, on Charles Street? No, but where? Probably a 10th Street. On 10th Street. Oh, my God. You rent it out both of them and then cut the swoop out, like, that's how I'll be, though. The hood is attractive, man.

I'm not going to lie to you. Let me just tell you something. This is real talk. Some of my funnest times in my life has been in Queensbury. Because I will keep it 100. Like, and it's all night. All nighters? All night.

They eat motherfuckers don't sleep in Queens. You go to the pub. You go to the pub. You go on. Burden, go to I forgot that weed spot Paul Brown

then you go on 12th Street like you go on the hill like there's different sections like you know I'm from that man like I didn't see this type of shit I was just so open I love the Queens Bridge bro at that time so it was fun yeah I love it's still

fun and it was the era of hip hop it's like you really saw like like when they say that the hip hop started out in the dark. And I know that, you know, we know it started out in the Bronx. What I'm saying is, River Park is an ill place. They sit in there and they party and they're doing hip hop all day.

You know what I'm saying? And you're sitting there like, oh, okay, I can see where MC Shan might have doing it. They came right from here. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? It's a real hip-hop scene. And it's a real, like, other scenes, too. What you got to think about River Park, we was like, we had the water. We had Manhattan.

Yeah. Yeah. It had had a lot of us. Like, that was like, oh, wow, we got to get across there. Like, that's where it's that. They got all the money in the world of course. You know what I mean? Or townhouse.

That's what it was. It was like we go to the park, we chill, make music and just sit out there. That's an ill neighborhood. And if you were in the hip-hop, you went to the coach. By and you just get your thoughts on, you know what I mean? I'm going to take a shot for Queens. Take a shot for Queensbridge. We should do a drink champ live in Queensburg.

Oh, yeah, no problem. I'm in and if you poet that'd be crazy you know what I'm saying so now that's a great question

I feel like as far as emcees go like we just said I feel like Queens has the best emcees

but Queens Bridge is different right you have Molly Ma MC fan Craig G Greg G

yes Craig G man Shantay Roxanne Shantay Excuse me Um No

Black poet I said that already Yeah he said black poet Um Who else That was School ball That was screwball

That's what I was Screwball man Then let's go nature Let's go tragedy Um Who Mega Or mega

I mean It goes deep Yeah How is that Like being from As far as MCs go Like that's one of the

Riches. T.J. Swan. T.J. Swans. Yeah. T. Sworn is deeper than what we're saying. Was he from the bridge? I don't think he's from Queens. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. No, he's not for Queens. That's the one who sung of all the joints, right? Oh, all the joints, yeah, okay. All the joints, yeah. Okay. December 29th,

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Inspiration. When you're in school and shit, maybe like, yo, like, where you're from? I'm like, I'm from Queensbridge. You know what I mean? Like, Molly Mall, you know what I'm saying, Ratsin, Chantay. Was Marley Mall the first one that made you feel proud? Hell yeah. You know, the bridge, the song?

Like, you know that? As a little kid, you like, you know what I mean? Like, you know that song. So wherever you go, they're like, you know, where you go? They're like, yo, what are you from? You're like, I'm from Craigsbris. You know what I'm saying? Like, it made you proud to be from QB all day.

And then it was inspiration to be like, yo, I want to do that shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I want to do that. You know? God damn it. And you heard Marley from the, if you went on Vernon, you heard him making beats all day. So, Molly was on the 40th side of Vernon or the 41st side of Vernon? Forty-first side of Vernon.

Yeah. And Naz is from the 40th side of Vernon. Yeah. Trags is from 40th side. What does all mean, guys? It's the two sides. The 40th side and the 44th of the first. It's just, it's two 10th,

12 streets, right. Two 10 streets and two burn it. Yeah. And it's two of a world. But nobody, it's every, it's one better than the other? On your opinion. On your opinion. But the boat splits it.

So there's a shopper center on one side. So it's not the hood? Not the hood? It's one of my splenches. Oh, they hold the hood. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, good.

Oh, yeah. But it's different sides of it. Right. Yeah. Damn. It's so easy. Yeah. You guys get into this queen conversation.

Like we're all lost. Well, that's Queens Bridge in particular. That is like, they have, what is it? 96 buildings? 96 buildings. 96 blocks. 6 blocks, right? Six blocks.

Six blocks. Oh. Ninety six project building. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest on it. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say.

It's different areas. Like, like, like, See, me, I was like, like, back then you had to be like, if you were on Tim Street guy, you had to stay on Tim Street, right? Me, I was a 12th Street guy. I'm a 12th street guy. I'm from, if I say I'm from Queensbridge, which I'm not from left front, but I would be from Havoc and Capone block.

They're on the same block, but that's 12th Street, but there's a whole other side of 12th Street. You're very specific to the 12th Street. I might not know, not one person over there. Right. But I know this, I know this block. So it's a different area. If you go there, now, holy shit, you know. a whole different town.

Right. But it's still the town and it's still the same block. That's how big it is. And then when you go to the hill, you see everybody from every block. Yeah, every block. That's why I was telling J.B.

that earlier. The hill's like the, and then that's where the center is at. That's where everyone's... And then the Lucey's the same thing as 12th street. It's two different sides. And then Vernon is the same thing.

But then they got 21st Street. You lost me that, you lost me that, bro. Ravens was, all that shit. They got all that shit. All that shit. The first is the album that I got from a homie that got out of prison.

Oh, no, that's 12th Street. That's 12th Street. Was it the 21st? No, that was a 12th Street album. That was the 41st. That was the 41st and 12th album. I'm all fucked up. I'm confused now. He took my lady.

Right, right, right, right, right. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. I'm taking a shot for that. Yeah, take a shot. Yeah, shut up. Yeah, shut up. Shut up.

Yeah. Shut up Quince Miss. Imagine even that. Like, you know, a big-up, like, but he kind of, like, kind of be an executive. Imagine, like, we all stuck together and we, and we supported that. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? But you guys did support that.

Yeah, but I'm saying, we didn't know how. I'm saying, like, imagine, like, what did my state that we're at now and the places that we're at now. Everybody had their own thing going on and over the old deals with different labels. So you got to, it was hard. And also, you can't forget drawers, you know what I'm saying? Dros, yeah, yeah, D.U is sados. That's all he wanted to do was just. If he was going to live.

He would have definitely made a breakthrough. He's the one who started the done the... That's his language? Wow, I didn't know he started that though. I don't know if he started it. Did he started it? You know, that's why I heard.

He was finested. Guys, you know you're speaking like Vietnamese. So slow down so that from listeners, that might know, understand what you're speaking. I don't even realize that. I know he's like, yeah, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. My God and I have a big, Ma'am.

You know what, my best. And I know about it. You don't know that. You can know he need bonics. Yeah, but yeah, nah. You know, I'll start talking to you, Miami's shit. You wouldn't know of that shit. I brought bump, nut, uh, uh, uh, uh, drawers, uh, all, all with me on tour, uh,

J rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of us, yeah, man, like Queens, Creeves is good to me, man. Like, like, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. QV. You'll be, look, do we taking another shot? It feels like it. It feels like it.

Listen, Havoc, you need to stop with the shot. It's okay, it's rice wine It's not okay, bro It's not okay This is rice one man No That's not right You gotta have it back

We got to have it back Don't let this guy Just lead you to the bathroom No, I'm going tonight I'm going to show like Oh my God And it's in Kindu right

Anderson Kindu North Kendall All right what You know you don't claim that See now he's talking in Miami shit North Kendall See he got bad

When we're talking I'm not mad No North Kendall It's not even You act like you ain't claiming that. That's what I'm saying? He's like, it's not really Kindle. It's North Kendall.

See, it's not even, you know, you understand that. You're speaking Japanese. We don't understand that. All right, so break it down, why is that not Kendu? It's North, it says North Kendall. Because it's not Kendall.

We don't understand. It's Kennell. It doesn't matter. Kenil the place I live. We performing in North Kendall. Yeah, North Kendall. Let's just leave it at that, North Kendall. North Kendall.

Good or bad? no you're good yeah this is good this is bad what is that like the bougie part you said no it's not the bougie part all right so what's the difference let us break it down there's no fucking difference it's just you're north kendall it's sound like you don't like north kendall the family it's the family part now you're good family I just want

either way we're going to turn out either way we're going to turn out yeah that's like that's right What's your favorite place to perform? My favorite place to perform. I have to be, I ain't going to lie, man. I got to say Paris. I was going to say that too.

Really? Paris is your favorite place? Yeah, yeah. Really? You got to come out. What are you like about Paris, though? Specific energy. They fucking go crazy.

They come out. You know what I'm saying? They fuck with you. Really? Yeah, they might snatch a chain, but they fuck me. What's your homie in Paris? E.N. That's my boy.

Is this cracky? No. Yeah, she's it does. Paris, Paris, um. That's real hip-hop. It's real hip-hop. And not only that, it's like, that's where Marble Deep, like, really, for real, for real. Like, you have to be there to see it.

Yeah. Get the best response in the world. Like, I mean, from beginning to fucking hell. How far back did you get that response in Paris? From, from the beginning to now. Like, infamous or? I would say from infamous on, you know what I mean? because, like, we started, like, kind of like a movement out there with, uh, I believe it was

a hello nerve for the infamous album. Like, they really, they catered they sound around that, like, hip-hop back in that era. I would believe that you guys, like, impregnated them with that. Yeah, they, they fuck with it. Like, really. So, you know, to answer your question, yeah, Paris, man, I'll fuck with her. Shout out to Paris. Yeah, Paris is one of my favorite places, too.

Sure. Yeah, but I ain't going to lie to you. as like our artists when it comes to Paris I pick up on a Noriega over Norie like Norrie has that more party scene but that

underground CNN is better CNN they're coming out early so what NORE by itself does it has a more Hollywood crowd in Paris they have the people who wear shoes to the show

all the girls come out for the show Girls, come out, CNN, very light, girls. It's not going to be a lot. But they're going to come out, and they're going to get their sneakers dirty, and they're going, yeah, CNN crowd, yeah. The Norie crowd, a little more bulljah, you know, I like it, the champagne, y'all. You know what I mean? It's going to have Ace of Speed out, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know what I? And then I got the reggae don't crowd on the stuff, it can do. Right, right, don't crowd. Let's go in, bro. We understand. I haven't seen you, man. We understand.

We start to break at y'all that night, brother. That damn, no-it still ain't here. Damn, noise. No, but I'm not here still. Damn, no. But I'm going to tell you something. This is real tall. I ask everybody here.

Because, you know, shit, we've been knowing each other 20 years. More than that. Over 20 years. So I said, Havoc is not coming on time. You said that 100%. Right, right. So we bet for every guest.

Every guest we asked Not just you Every guess We bet But I said So this is how we Based it on What

What you order So if you order Patron I kind of know Where this is going Right Hennessy I'm always

Oh you know all the way in So when no I go to Hennessy I was like We need him on time Because I can tell Where the interview's going to go Based on the drink Right

Having a big a drink So I say, you know what, I can get them Because this is white wine This is in a good way Because this is light No doubt You still live light No doubt

You still live life You can have a You can get out of this And you can be safe You can pass the robot That's the roadblood Yeah yeah That's why Riz up

Put us on to this He's like You drink this You don't get bent Right Right But you like No you get Ben

Don't go No no no No no You get nice You get nice You get nice You get nice You get nice

I got I got where I was that And after the drink, I forgot what I'm saying. He can't get bit. He can't get bit. Poor. Sorry, buddy. Pause, pause.

But it's true. It's not misleading to anybody in life who has to be on point and dealing with egos at all the times. It should be risen. So if Rizzer say, yo, man, do it this way. You know, and then, you know, I got a charcoal. You ever heard of charcoal, the charcoal, charcoal. Chalko, so, you know. It takes it out.

You got the charcoal. So you're good. Wait, yeah, you got to drink the charcoal after. You good? No, I do it before and after. What, the chankle? Chalk, you ever heard of the charcoal? Yeah, yeah.

I do that before. That's what I'm fucking doing a cheat code right now. I'm going to say, yeah. I'm biohacking, baby. You know what you're talking. That's the fuck right in here. He charcoal. I mean, why I'm here drinking normal.

Like, oh. Drink a drink, baby. You take the chocolate. Oh, man. Oh, I've been doing this for years. This is no choice in there. I'm like dying. My liver's in my head.

Just make some noise with that, right? Just follow. This for this for the chaco. This put your chocco. Fuck your chocco. If, if, let's say, let's just, let's imagine. Now, you know, I see. prodigy

in Vegas you remember we all seen each other I was I was recording my food show I remember and y'all had just performed the stage

I didn't get a chance to see y'all prior to that you and P get on stage I both I both see y'all and we're on stage we're honest so y'all get you and me

tonight and you were like I'm in and Pete was like I feel a little sick right he says I'm gonna go take yeah

I had been on tour with y'all so much that when P used to say that I was so used to it that it didn't seem abnormal to me for him to say that

it was just like something I always heard now that night you were standing right next to him when he said that right yeah did you see anything different that night or this was like for me i'm saying like obviously

that's your brother that you you know him way better but me i didn't see nothing different that night like when he said like he wasn't because you know i've been on tour like i said like we've done so many shows together i didn't see nothing like that right but but i can't tell so right was there anything that you saw no i mean you me and you saw the same thing like When I seen him get sick a million times, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't nothing different out the ordinary that raised any red flags. He had sickle cell, right? Yeah, it wasn't no red flags raised.

He told me that he wasn't, he actually was in Miami before he got to Vegas. And so we met up in Vegas. And he had been sick out here in Miami, but he got better. So he was able to get on a plane. So when he did finally say after getting off the stage that he wasn't feeling well, It didn't surprise me because I knew that a couple of days before that he wasn't feeling well. Okay, wow. So it wasn't nothing out the blue, and I really, really thought it was just some normal shit.

Like, we went backstage to that little building. Yeah, we had for us. I performed, I came back and I met you. Ray and Ghost was there. Yeah, we was chilling. It was normal. It just Pee wasn't there. Yeah.

Oh, wasn't he there? No, no, no. So he was there for a second, then he just left to go to the hotel. Okay, remember, I didn't see that. Yeah, it was just us chilling. I was on stage. Okay. Yeah, it was just us.

us children and Pete went to the hotel to chill and our tour manager at the time was like yo I'm gonna take P to the hospital at like 2 o'clock

but it was like 11 already I was like well just take them now like you know what I mean he's like now that's what time Pete want to go

so I really thought he was just kind of just you know not feeling well but he's gonna go so no I didn't see nothing nothing different

right you know so you know that's kind of you know it makes you think You know what I'm saying? Like, you know.

And then you hit conspiracy theories because he used to say Illuminati and you're thinking like... Right. You're like, you can't not think that, right? And the whole egg theory. The egg, yeah, egg thing. I mean, and then we found out that that shit not true. You understand what I'm saying? So, you know, and you know, P, he used to, you know, talk a lot of, like, you know, he used to be speaking that truth.

No, he went in. He went in on things. He used to be speaking that truth always. Because this is a video, which I. I don't know it's true. Like, they acting like they, like, like, like the luminati people was following him or something like that. I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. He used to be talking that talk. Like, you know what I mean? Opening, waking, you know what I'm saying, waking the masses up. And, you know, sometimes when you're speaking like that, that shit is real. You know what I'm saying? You got to be careful.

You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, that kind of shit I really don't talk about. You know what I mean? Because I don't even, like, you know what I mean? I don't even want to, you know what I mean? Because, you know, them, those eyes is watching. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I kind of told behind the scenes to my people's about that. Like, you know, shit like that, it's just, it's real.

Say them more. It's real. Yeah, because I remember that day, I was chilling with a trip. Godfather, right? After we knew, and we were just at the bar, and I just remember us just not knowing what to say. Right. We were just sitting there, like,

It didn't make sense, but we didn't want to, like you said, we didn't want to go in. It was like, you know what I mean. But, you know, regardless, man, rest of the peace, prodigy. R.P. Prodigy. You know what I mean? Still with us in the essence, you know what I mean? Absolutely. And that's why putting out this album is so important to me. Right.

You know what I mean? Did we say the name? The name of the album is called the Infinite. You know what I'm saying? Infinite. Infinite. Infinite. Infinite, you know what I'm saying?

And do you feel it sounds so cohesive that it's, like if y'all in the studio together it really does sound like that and we we we set the album off like that we set it off like that so when you hear it it's just going to be like you know what saying like he like he's here for real you know what i mean like that's dope man yeah and i want to give a shout out to um you know prodigy's family too you know what i mean because they they you know they've been through it you know what saying losing the love one is tough yeah you know what i mean how it is you know it's you know make it if it took so long to make the album so what you know what i mean they they really you know daughter son lost the father

can you please can you please get the the flowers to the family please yeah absolutely absolutely definitely gonna give this to uh you know what i'm saying tana fox for sure you know what i mean that's his daughter that's his daughter that wraps right yeah yeah yeah she rap she make beats you know what i mean she she's nice yeah she don't i mean she really really nice you know what me. So definitely going to give that to her. She's the next one up. Will you produce an album for her? Absolutely. Oh, wow.

Anything she wants. You know what I'm saying? Definitely for sure. Wow. Let's take a shot to that. Salute. Oh, let's take it to us. To the motherfucking infinite infinite album. Well, let me get my fucking cup, God damn. Oh, shit. I'm like, I'm a part of this now

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