Drink Champs - Episode 470 w/ DJ Enuff

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, DJ Enuff! DJ Enuff, the legendary Heavy Hitter DJ and New York radio icon, pulls up to Drink Champs for a classic conversation that blends history, culture, and plenty of laughs. Known as Biggie Smalls’ official tour DJ and a key figure at Hot 97, Enuff has lived through some of hip hop’s most iconic eras. N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN pour up shots while digging into Enuff’s journey—from running with the Notorious B.I.G. to helping break records that would shape the sound of a generation. In this episode, Enuff talks about what it was like spinning for Biggie during his rise, the pressures of carrying that legacy, and how New York’s mixtape and radio scene influenced the entire industry. He opens up about balancing his role as a DJ, mentor, and tastemaker while adapting to the game’s constant changes. With plenty of untold stories about the Bad Boy era, Hot 97 drama, and the art of breaking artists, Enuff reminds everyone why he’s considered one of the most respected DJs in the game. Full of gems, jokes, and a few wild confessions, this episode is a toast to hip hop’s golden era and the DJs who kept the culture alive. Make some noise for DJ Enuff! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You raise you all. Yappy Yappy Yom. Let's drink chance, baby! Right now, we've been trying to get this brother for years. Right now, he's a talk of the town. If you're a DJ, if you're a lover of hip-hop, if you're a lover of the actual play of it, and not a fan of the business,

you're tuned into what's happening right now. But let's give you this brother's discography. This brother's a legend. He's an icon. he DJed for one of the most legendary people in the world I mean this guy started out in 1998 on the radio

years been doing it before that on the radio and we've seen him close out his show with one of the most passionate moments in hip-hop I've ever seen the people came out to support him people have supported him we don't get to this but he's a legend he's an icon he's been doing this for well up of 30 years

and we won't give him his flowers today that's what our show is about and today he will receive his flowers in case you don't know what the fuck we talk about we talk about one only DJ motherfucking out! Now does y'all ever have beef

because y'all names are similar? Enough of EAMN? I'm just fucking with you. No, but I do like that. We're eased. I haven't abbreviated my name a few times to E and F. Right.

Right. So I was like, maybe. No beef to a pie. Right. Right. Because what was your favorite, what was your first hip, hip hop name, E? What was it EWAT? EWAP. EWAP. You remember that? Yeah, come on, I know that. You can't know, baby. You can history? Yes, history.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, listen, we were interviewing people for nine years and everyone has a whack hip hop first name. Name. You can still use EWAP right now. Like, it's like, EW. Yeah. So, so what made you?

We made you go with DJ Enah. All right, so to be honest and frank, I'm from the low east side of Manhattan. Right. And then in 1979, I moved to an area called Flatbush, Brooklyn. Right. But you was born in Harlem, though, right? I was born in Harlem. Okay.

Damn, you did your homework. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay. Born in Harlem. And for me, coming out the projects to the low east side, right? Lillian War projects, Jacob Rees, shot to them. Right. I didn't see that many Westernian people. Right.

So I grew up a lot of West Indian people in my second half. Right. You know what I'm saying? Being in Brooklyn. And it was a famous, this Jamaican dude name, Ricky Barnett and Miguel Parker. Those were my best friends in elementary school growing up. And back in those days in the early 80s, everything was enough respect. Yeah.

Enough this. Enough that, right? So he was like, yo, your name is E, whatever. He goes, but why don't we just call you E enough because you get enough respect every time that's where.

That's tough. That's tough. He loves it. You like that, right? You like that, right? So at first I was like, I don't know. But then somebody bought some marketing to me

and said, you know what? If you make a restaurant, let's say you would open a hamburger shop, you put enough burgers. Wow. Yeah, you can use that. It's a double amount of contract. Wow.

Yeah. Enough clothing, enough liquor, enough smoke, enough. It works. Right. So I was like, you know, I'll roll with it, fuck it. Okay. That's dope. Now, your first DJ gig was at the Nogreel Club?

Yep, Club N'Grill. Uh-huh. Ninety, whatever year hip-hop junkies came out. Okay. That was like what? That's 91. 92? Yeah.

Okay. I got a funky fucking vibe. That was the hottest record at the time. Yes. And you were already DJing? I was a very DJing, yeah. So, but was the tunnel at that time, or this is right before the tunnel, right?

It's before the tunnel. Okay, cool. There was no Sunday nights at the time yet, not yet. Okay. Not yet. Was this Sunday nights in hip-hop period? Not to my recollection. Remember, I'm a newbie.

I just thought. Right. Because the first time I ever, um, Sunday, I thought, I thought was Latin quarters. Could be. Okay, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't remember. That's before my time, no, all right. Good, cool, cool, cool.

All right. Now, you used to make pause tapes. can you explain to people what pause tapes is all right so before i had enough money to have equipment equipment we used to make these pause tapes and back in everybody's household we all had what's called bsr bullshit recording you know recording capability so it'd be a double deck you know cassette and you would play your source from one cassette would be the recording for another And you would only record the portions that you want. Right.

So I press play, you press record here, and then you pause it. Yeah. But you had to be nice with it. Right. So that's where the DJ stuff kicks in. Because, you know, I've seen, you know, the break that is in the firm biz. Oh. I'm, I'm, no, no, no.

Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, okay, okay, I'm thinking about firm to action. Firm biz. No, different one. Wait, I'm talking with that, that join, right? Right? It's by Michael McLaren. Okay. That little piece is only like about 10 seconds long, right? Yo, my man, the original to that is even less than that.

We would take that little piece and do a whole 90-minute mix of just that one B. Wow. And then we go to the street with it. Okay. And then play it outside. Okay. And it'd be like all day the same shit over. And then the B-boys will come and start doing that thing.

and, you know, and dancing. And, you know, the gangsters would be like, y'all crazy. Right. It was a carboy. Yeah, all that. Yeah. So I'm going to bounce around a little bit, right? Yeah, baby.

Do your thing. Okay. So this is something I always wanted to ask you. How accurate was the biggie movie, right? But I believe that he was in San Francisco. Yeah. And they were throwing things at him because of who shot you, but y'all said not to play who shot you, right?

Yeah, that wasn't, okay, I'll tell you the truth. Okay, tell you, please. All right. Listen, I got the phone number. I can ask you. So this scene portrayed in the movie was saying it was in the Bay Area. Okay. Right?

But it wasn't. Okay. And then the reason why they probably put it in the Bay because that's where Park was from. Okay. Now, during this time, I remember like it was yesterday, we were in Atlanta, Georgia. Wow. We were going to a so-so-deaf anniversary party of some sort. Wow.

And we were going to meet up with Jermaine DePree, the brat, and the few. And there was word that Tupac was around. In Atlanta. Right. Okay. So now, like, we're on heightened security because these dudes got beef. Right. And it's ugly.

Right, yeah. I'm in the car with, like, little Cs, bigs in the front. I remember bodyguards being on top of us. And at one point, we driving in the A somewhere, we driving around. And then the security dude was like, get down. Right. And I'm like, yo, what's going on? In the A.

This is in a A? Okay, okay. Get down. Then he jumped on top of my body, and I'm like, what the, I thought they was going to start shooting at us or something. But I guess they were just on high alert when calls we'd be coming by, and they got, like, some information. But that's not, it wasn't the Bay, it was Atlanta. Okay. So during the height of the beef, right, everybody from Brooklyn, the junior mafia, everybody was waiting for a response from big because, you know, Hock had did hit him up.

All right. And for me, I took it super personal. you know why? Because I produced the Get Money Remix for Big. Right. And Pock took the same beat from the Get Money remix

that I produced and did hit him up. And the crazy part... That's crazy. I didn't think of it like that. That's crazy. I didn't realize it until I did a podcast

with Cypher Sounds of Rosenberg and they broke it down. And I was like, damn, you're right. And then like, 25 years later, I was mad again. But it was,

it was, It was, like, bittersweet because, like, you know, Pac was such a legendary dude. And I'm going to be on, like, thirsty to be on the phone with him to be like, yo, what's up, Pop? Right. Because he loved New York. He loved the bodegas. He loved them little.

No, but let's talk about that night. So what happened? So they were mad at big on stage? They would, no. Okay. Nobody was ever mad at big. Okay. I think the real important thing was this.

So I'm on the road with them. Now, I got the torch passed from Clark Kent. Okay. Clark can't talk He taught me He taught me the show So it was only right All I had to do is carry the legacy

He was Biggs DJ before you Yes of course He was doing A&R for like East West Atlantic He was signing artists But he was also doing production and beats And you know He was doing the Brooklyn Finest on Jay and Biggs album

You know he was busy So I think he got to a point But he's like you know what I'm getting hot out here And I love being on the road with Big but I got to go. Right. So that's when, you know,

I got the phone call from Puff, like, you want to be Big's DJ? And I was like, I think about it. Right. And everybody laughs at me when I told him that response. Right.

Because Big wasn't who Big was at that time. Big only had party and bullshit out, maybe unbelievable and juicy. Was he still Biggie Smalls before he changed the names of Notorious? No, he was still Biggie Smalls. Yeah, he wasn't notorious yet. Right, right, right.

So, we in Atlanta, and we stopped doing the song, Who Shot You? Right. Like, oh, it's my dad, face him, I'm dead, I'm okay. So we stopped performing that song. And I think we stopped performing that song because Big didn't want the narrative

that people were thinking the song was about pop. Because it wasn't. And out of respect, the kid, the kid got shot, you know, a few times. Right. And then when he died, it was like the ultimate, like, No, we're not doing that. So we was in Atlanta. That time I told you,

we were on heightened security alert, whatever. We do the show. And there's a break in the show where he starts talking. I'm like, where is he going with this? I never did, this not part of the show. We never did this before. Right. And he's explaining himself about, I guess,

what him apoc was going through. So I was like, he's going to perform who shot him. Wow. So then without him telling me nothing, I got the record out. And then I just had it queued up and ready. And he looked at me and it was like, and I went, who shot you and he performed out of nowhere. It was the first time he got to perform that, you know, during the beef.

Right. So for us, it was like a magical moment, even though it wasn't his true response. Right. But it was the next best thing because he wasn't going to talk dirty about Pock. Right. But to be clear, because it was before Pock got shot. Yeah, it was very before. Right, no, because we said it, I want people to think it happened right then.

Did you ever, I know you said, I know, I read articles and I've seen interviews where you said that there was brawls happening, like, you know, running were big and things like that. I think one time they even left you and you had to come outside with the equipment. That's real shit. Yeah, we do. That was in Virginia. Yeah, okay. Yeah. You had to leave the equipment.

Like, they all left you. So easy. You know, back into the days when we used to carry the. The crates. The back breakers. Right? But even before that, before controllers and CDJs were around, we used to carry the turntable. Absolutely.

So I got two turntables, a mixer. Heavy-ass mixer. All my crates. And I'm by myself. I ain't got a roadie. He's not paying for a roadie. Right, right. So it's like, you know, the road manager, shout to Hawk, my man, Hawk.

He would help me sometime with the records. Whenever they wasn't feeling, whenever they felt like there wasn't superstars, they would help me with the records. Right. We get into some shit. It's going down. They're fighting or they doing whatever they're doing, but they forgot about me. And they would leave me. I'm like, you are.

So now, I'm slowly trying to pack up all my shit before the shit really hits the fan. I'm, like, closing up the cases. I'm trying whatever. I say, yo, if I don't get the fuck up out of here, they're going to come for me next. And that's the type of, that was the real shit. That's the way it was. A lot of shows, bro. A lot of shows.

make some noise but it was fun man now we think about it was a lot of fun but like when you speak about crates like I don't think these kids like I'm sorry to sound like the old band

but you know like that shit was hard like I remember like watching you guys go to a party used to have to have people help you with your crates five six dudes whatever or actually I'm going to keep you the hundred.

I was fly. A few times I would do parties of town. Right. I have six women carrying my crates in high heels. Right. And then when I come into the party, the promoters be on my dick. It'd be like, God, this motherfucker is. Right, right, right.

Real talk. Six feet women in dresses or skirts with heels on carrying my crates. Now, look, these ain't no crates. These are professional flight cases A little easier to carry Yeah, a little bit easy to carry But still heavy, none of the rest. Heavy as hell, 100 pounds easy.

So as a DJ, do you like this era more or do you miss the vinyl era? I miss the vinyl era a little bit. Okay. But I do like the technology where it's at today. You know why? Why?

Because I remember being on the road and Biggie would shake the fucking stage and the record would skip. and I would get blamed for it because at the end of the day he's the boss he's the headliner and says

it came to see him not me so I had to take the blame for that and then Clark Kent had to teach me how to do a backup show oh yeah

but at that I heard you talk about that or CD or whatever okay whatever yeah it was it was that originally and then

holy shit I forgot his name he's gonna be mad at me now producer from Guy Teddy Riley Teddy Riley gives me my first CDJ he goes enough

this is the future I'm like what do you mean he goes this is never going to skip on you ever again this is the fucking future right here he gave me a pair of CDJs

and I was like But don't skip two though No I know but not as bad as Not as easily as a needle Yeah not as bad as the needles On the record Now what was it Flip Star DJs

Flip Squad Flip Squad DJs? Yeah. Yeah, and as you, Safer Sounds was in the same. Yeah. Who else was in that crew? Frankie Cutlass. Frankie Cutlass.

Wow. Duop. Duop. Funk Flex. Yeah. Flex. Yeah. Mark Ronson.

Mark Ronson was in Philadelphia? Riz. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, shit. Camillo's here. Bring him on. Bring him out.

Bricka. Brickie. Oh. I'm trying to think who else was here, bro. Who else was in the It was, so it was Flip Squad The Flip Squad The Flip Squad and this is before

Buster had Flip Squad or no Yeah, yeah Flip mode I'm bugging, I'm bugging, I'm bugging I'm bugging, I'm bugging Two different things Yeah, flip squad Okay, okay, okay

My brother Make some noise for DJ, come out So, um, okay. So, um, okay Yeah, why you'll be me a warning cup, bro? Yeah, I'm gonna be me a warning cup, bro. Okay, so who else was, okay,

who else was down on that? Okay. Cipher sounds. Uh-huh. This kid named Budacan. Mm. There was a couple more. I'm forgetting them.

Oh, Big Cap. Big Cap. Rest in peace, Big Cap. Oh, that's right. Um. Damn. You know what? Let me just look at the artwork of the album we put out.

It's on there. Okay. So, um... Go for it. Go for it. Um, Kanye's first album has the heavy hitter

logo on there. Yes, sir. And I remember me knowing who Kanye is but me not knowing who Kanye is and I remember you shouting him out and then him shied y'all out like really like

big up the heavy hitters. How the fuck did that even happen? All right. So I ain't know it at the time. Okay. But my, I had a heavy hitters record pool and the office was on 30, 8th Street.

Okay. It was Renee McClean's office. The guy who created the Mixed your Pals. Right. But Legacy Studios was down the block on 38th between 10th and 11th or whatever it was. That's where he recorded his first album. And what year was that?

It had to be 99, 99, 98, somewhere or something on that? Yeah, I am. So all this time, I'm thinking, yo, Kanye, this thing is on my dick. You got to stop you. You, chill, dude. Sorry, it's right with the talk. I mean, this is the way he was thinking at that.

And it's not in context later. Damn, I got to. Wait, so you text the Queen till I'll call it back. So you're telling me, so you're telling me you hadn't heard of him. So I heard of him. As a producer. As a producer. Okay.

So there's no through wire. No. Yeah, not yet, not yet, but it was coming. It was on his way. All right. Go ahead. And one of my DJs, DJ apps, Put Out a mixtape on them, like a first freestyle

because nobody else, nobody else would put his freestyles out. So, Aftolune was the first time people from New York might have been the first time they heard Kanye West. Ever, okay? Make some noise. Now, back in these days, we were at the,

damn, what was the studios that, OG1 and, um, Jason? Baseline. We was at baseline a lot. So this is what I knew from Kanye. as a producer because Just Blaze be in one room, Kanye being another, or they'd be both in that pre-production room,

you know, just banging out beats, banging out beats. I was tied with J-Coh all the time because J-Co put out a mixtape and I would be there hanging and everybody in the roster is arguing with Kanye because they want to beat from him. Oh, okay. But like, yo, you don't make a beat for me, man. Stop playing game.

Right, right. And, you know, Jim, Cam, Beanie, Bleak, everyone talked to him like that. And it was like, to me, it was like the mad scientist behind the drum machine. You know, he had ideas. He always wanted to rap. But I felt like nobody was giving him a shot. Right. Maybe because he overdelivered in his delivery or something.

And it was like, I don't know, it might have been too much from the at the time. That's from what I remember. Okay. And then How does it go from that To Then he becomes a heavy hit at his local Then he produces the blueprint

And you're like fuck that And now You'll be down now, nigga No no But now Dame Damon and Jay and them They sign him as a producer But I'm starting to notice

Like He's been signed for a while But there's still nothing on him So I'm like, what's the problem? So in my mind And I can't prove it Because that's my famous word right now, I can't do it. That maybe they're held them because they just wanted to lock them in as a producer.

I mean, he did produce the blueprint. Right. One of the greatest hip-hop albums, right? Right, right. So anyway, I'm at the office in a record pool. And I'm tight with common. I'm tight with Talib Quali. And these dudes keep coming to the office.

You know, enough. You know, and they're heavily coming by because we got a little studio, production studio up there at the office, and I would do a lot of mixtapes, me and cast one. So then, yay, he's bothering me on some, like, you don't want to be a heavy hitter. So he would have... Now, stupid me,

didn't realize where this could go. Right. It's too early. You don't know. I'm like, yo, my man, you got to, like, it's too much. But he's approaching you as a heavy hitter as a producer or as an actual DJ? Whatever, man. He's just...

I want to be a heavy hitter. I'm like, yo, man, I don't got no artist as a heavy hitter. We are a DJ club. Okay. You can't even DJ. Right. Yeah, but I make these banging beats. Right.

And then, that, man, if I knew what I knew back then, I would have signed them to a $50 million. It's like getting that big point in a car. Yeah. But I had no idea. Right, right. No idea. No idea. No idea.

Go make some noise for that, man. But it ended up happening, right? He ended up. Well, technically, yeah. Then, uh, me and my man AG put out his get home or welcome home mixtape and I remember going to the stores

with him on a run because he wanted to know how we did the run with the mixtape. We went to the Africans and Canal. We went to the Bronx. We went to all the mixtapes and record shops that would sell mixtapes. And I was trying to push Kanye's tape. Nobody wanted it. Damn, nobody. But as I'm starting to play

your shit on the radio, I'm playing the good the bad the ugly were consequent to him. I'm playing two words by him, Most Deaf, the Harlem Boys Choir. I'm starting to play some joints that ain't been really released yet. When I dropped that, Jesus walks, yo, the mixtape went on fire. Yo, I need more those mixtapes.

So you say you don't want none. Nah, we want them. So I remember I probably had like about a good $50, a check for Kanye. Nothing big, but just, you know, the first couple of orders people wanted to the tape. And he was like, no, I don't want the money. I just thank you for, you know, pushing me and taking care of me, whatever.

That's dope. And then out of nowhere, he asked me for my logo. And I thought he was going to put a mixtape out of something. And he pushed this shit on the album. I didn't give him a pain. That's love, that's me. Yo, I didn't give him no permission. I didn't say, yeah, you have the clearance to put this on it.

But I thought it was the biggest honor in the world. Like, this dude is getting. Nah, that was fine. Yeah. And on top of that. I had this, like, overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then. And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick.

I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. And I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere.

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Well. It was the B side of Jesus walks, if I'm not mistaken. And he says heavy hitters for life Rockefeller for life Then he starts breaking it down You know It's kind of dope but This dude is nuts

He's crazy And after that you got with Kim Kardashian And I never saw him again And the logo never went on again No it's over I lost my friend But that's tough though So

Yeah Oh yeah thank you You got a drink Camillo You need something? Sure Yeah Camillo Have enough drink

Sunlight Yeah yeah I'm a drink Right Yeah A little son A little taste I'm a little taste

I'm gonna get my cup We got You know We got sake You want sake No tequila A tequila Tequila

Get some sake for the poppy We have tequila Are we get you in Branson See if we got Branson We got Branson About 50 you on something Yeah Yeah we'll get you

What do we have I have I think I'll get Sunlight, whatever, whatever. I'll drink whatever. What do we have? He said something like, and he says the killer. What he's drinking, maybe.

You don't drink what he's drinking? Yes. On blue label? I'm down. I'm down. Blue label. Give him some blue label. Yeah.

I'm not drinking out of bottle. Or you could drink some volly vodka. Pit bulls vodka. That's cool. I got plenty of that. Shout to pit bull. Yeah, man. Shout out to pit.

Yeah, yeah. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. I was going to go. If you're looking. Yeah. I want to go.

because we skate in them around things and we're not really going back. Go for it, man. So let's go back to how you even get that phone call from Puff to spin for Big. Like, what's that relationship? How does that get created? Yeah, because I heard somewhere

that you actually played Big's album. On Kiss F F&M. And Puff called you flipping on you. Yo, he cursed me to fuck out. So, and Puff, you know this is true. So I'm going to get mad. Right, right.

Right, right. So. So I'm going to bring it back to the essence, right? On 13th Street and Park Avenue in the city was a club called the Black Pussycat. Okay, yeah. I see, that I remember when I came out here? We had one out here for the bad black pussycat. Right, or Swade.

Because later on I was called Swade. So I knew the promoters and the bounces of the club. Now, Big was trying to get in the club with MOP. And they wasn't letting them in the club. Right. But I was like, damn, you guys think these is just some. goons from Brooklyn. Right.

But they're actually recording artists and they're cool people and I promise you they won't get into no trouble. So I went to the promoters and to the

security guys and I told them you know let these guys and they're good people and big love that I did that for him. So on the way out

we leaving Big puts me to the size like, yo he this for you this is my album nobody got it yet. Right.

And this was the real album? Yes. No. It was, but it was on a like, It was on a TDK. Okay, okay, okay.

It was a cassette. Okay, it was a cassette. Okay, okay. So he gives it to me on a cassette. And I'm like, I didn't really pay it no mind. Right. You know, it might have been a Tuesday or Wednesday, and then not to Thursday, I realize, you all. I got this guy's album.

But to put it in concert, what records did he have out already? Party and Bullshit. Party and Bullshit. The Joint with Super Cat. Yeah, he had those out. The Mary Jay record. He had only two or three. All right.

Okay. The buzz was on him already. Even when he dropped his party and bullshit, the buzz was already on him. Right. Because he had a special voice. Right. So back in those days,

you know his DJs are thirsty, he played new shit, right? So I go through my guy, his name is Chris Mercado, shout to him. And I think he helped me clean up the majority of the album on the cassette. And he gives it back to me.

Some records he put in the system, that means like on the radio station we have a thing that's called the system which is like their computer not on vinyl

not a cassette not on CD in the computer so at any moment I could just pick whatever record and just like I could play a bomb

or something and then we go right into a record off the album so we did this multiple times throughout the night and back then

Supernatural was my host Oh the guy Supernatural. Yeah, shout out of the DJ. And I didn't even know that. Yeah, bro. This is real hip hop right here. It's the real hip hop.

So I'm playing it, playing it. And it gets to a point where, like, the hotline rings or the red, the red phone, whatever that is. It's like a special line. Special line with the bosses usually call only on this line. So I pick it up. Hope for Ditty A hope for Puff I don't think he was Diddy yet

Yeah, yeah, yeah He was just Puff, yeah He was just Puff, what up? He's like, yo, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, I'm in celebration mode I'm happy. My man Big gave me the album, I'm in mode I'm my Brooklyn Confidant

I'm on a radio, I'm shutting the city fucking down So I'm thinking he's calling him to say thank you I see what you're doing. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, like Jack and Gleason, I was like, homina, humana, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I ain't know what to say. Right, right. So when you think about it today,

I didn't know what it meant for a label to roll out a single, pull out a project, what kind of money was involved. Right. It was postal boards, whether it was stickers, whether it was a deal with a race. radio station, you know, a touring situation. I didn't have no idea what any of that was. So I might have screwed that up for big.

Right. So he's cursing me out. I'll kill you, motherfucker, fuck. I'm over here like, uh, the music's in the background, but he's, he's clearly in my ear killing me. And you're still playing the record in the back? Yeah, like, giving me the business. And then.

I don't see him for like weeks, months, nothing. I don't bumping him in the club, nothing. And then I go through this, high 97 used to have this thing called a players ball. Okay, yeah, I remember that. It was not the Pimp one that's, not the same thing as the Pimp. It was similar, very similar. It was their interpretation of what they would maybe tell the listeners of a play a ball. The IT used to, like, host a couple of times, right?

Yeah, okay. So that was hosted by our station at the time. It was Ed Lover, Ms. Jones, me. And then I remember like Angie Martinez coming through, Scoop, Coco Chanel, Jazzy Joyce. That was like the vibe. And I see him in the hallway because that same weekend that we're doing this players ball is some sort of signing or some sort of party. maybe a listening

playback or press release something from Mary J. Bly's my life album. So I'm like, oh shit, it goes puffs. So I'm like I haven't seen him since he cursed me the fuck out, remember? Uh-oh.

So then he's like, yo, let me talk to you. So I'm over here like, oh, shit, here comes the bullshit. And he flips it on me, he's like, yo, why don't you go on the road with B.I.G? What do you think? I'm like, The change, of course.

You know, I thought he was mad at me. He thought you wasn't fucked with me. He's like, yo, are you understanding what I'm saying? Right. So I'm like, huh? Like, I'm stuck on stupid now because I don't, I wasn't ready for that. He was, I wanted you to go on the road with big. So I was like, big.

I just got my radio gig I kiss I'm feeling myself I'm like I don't know let me think about it he says what what do you think about I think you're old

I think he might say like you're a wild boy or some shit I don't know whatever that sounds like him but I kept the moving and you know I guess him and

him and him and Jessica Rosa blooming real tight and I guess so lady who ran the tunnel right Yeah, she ran the tunnel. She ran it for squad DJs.

Yeah. Yeah, so I guess they got to talking. And then she came back around to me. It was like, yo, I think you usually do it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. I said, I try it out. Try it out. I had a great time.

Changed my life. Yes. That's the one gig that I did that people to this day still ask the most questions about. Well, big. Big. God, that makes me quick. now um it was a like monumental thing that happened in radio right before we get to what's happening right nowadays was back in the days well not back in the days but um when andrew martinez announced that when she was leaving hot night seven like that shit was like it was like a blow to everyone because i mean me personally my heart broke that day i was like oh so so you You didn't know prior to this?

Like, keep it real. No, I didn't. You didn't? She said she called my phone, but my number's been the safe number. I love you, sis, but I don't know. I don't remember getting a phone call. I don't think anybody knew. And maybe she was smart because she was moving in silence.

Yeah, that's probably smart. And she couldn't probably tell nobody. Right. You know, that's just part of the deal. Right. So we had accepted. So when she left, I was like, you know, good for her, man. She did that with elegance.

Right. She did. That execution. that building that day was like Mouthdrop You know why she did it right? She didn't cry like me Oh, right

Shut to Hagey, man Is there anything you did for 30 years? Anything? Yeah, rap Yeah, but the war report doesn't take 30 years to make No, the board report is almost 30 years old

Because it's 27 But it didn't take you 30 years to make it you understand my point yeah but it's the same shit I mean I'm not the same shit I feel you I feel you

we're gonna get there we're gonna get there but what the four we I was just so into that what the hell about Janj Martinez yes so

I remember you know and this is not the same but I remember like me being in Def Jam and Leol knowing he leaving he would walk around

different right like I was there like three days straight and I was looking, you could tell like he was hiding something, right? Because he can't legally tell anybody I'm leaving. You understand?

Yeah. Was that? No one never knew that about Andrew? No, I had no clue. Okay. So. I think everybody knew at the same time that day. That day.

Now, how did it happen that you guys know? She announced it on the station? She made an announcement? Right. I forgot. She made an announcement. I don't know. There's an email, phone call, but.

Yeah. If I did find out, it was literally the same day. What I remember, she made her, like, everybody pulled up. And she made that announcement, and it was, like, balloons and cakes and all types of... Now, legendary Mary J. Blodge came, Taraji P. Henson came. Right. Right. I'm on Taraji P. Henson, like, just...

Who are, you guys going to be okay? Consulting you guys? Yeah. There's going to be better things for you. And everybody pulled up, and she didn't tell a word what she was doing. Like, yo, you know, I'm done, done, done. I'm leaving my last day. But, you know, everybody came to celebrate her.

Everybody's crying. Right. The whole station pulled up. Right. Facts. The phone calls. Every artist calling. It was a celebration, you know.

But the city was hurt. Right. Like, what's the, oh, my God, hot 97's over. It's over. Like, you know, that was the queen, like, a voice in New York. Like, so, yeah, it was, it was, that was tough. That was tough. Okay.

Now, you know, if you used to work on a star in Buck Wild shirt. Yes, sir. And I believe you quit. Yeah. And that's how you got your own slap, right? Well, something like that. Something like that. Like, I'm, I'm, um, so this is, this is something you probably never been asked before.

Like, how did you feel when Envy left the station and started the breakfast club? I was, like, great for him. Okay. I was. Okay. I was happy for envy. Okay. Well, people don't seem to understand, right?

Just because Envy's at the other station doesn't mean he's not my guy. Right. That's my guy. Right. I got sick in 2019, had a stroke. Right. And I was fucked up. Right.

And Envy was the one who calls this guy and says, yo, we don't know what enough situation is, his monetary situation is. He might be fucked up. Right. You know, he's not doing gigs. He's not outside. He might, whatever. And then I started getting, this is like,

during the cash hat Venmo era. I started getting all this and I'm like, what the fuck is this? I called this dude like, yeah, why everybody's sending me money? Yeah, we spoke to Envy, Envy brought it up. And I was like, look,

the competition is calling to help and send love. I thought that was the most incredible shit. Let's take a drink to that. Not my best friend, not somebody I grew up with. Salo, solid. My nigger.

Shout to DJ Envy. But real talk. Real talk, like, there was never, when he went over there, we was always cool. Mm-hmm. Nothing changed. I used to, I used to do the show, like, on Sundays, I used to a reggaeton show, Envy used to be on, then I used to hop on right after. So we were like always seeing each other every weekend.

Right. When he went over there, they were still long. No, no, but I'm going to be honest. Let me just be honest. I'm going to be honest. At one point, it was just Hot 97, right? Yeah. So if you didn't get on Hot 97, your ass was finished, right?

Power 105 came You have an option The kind of Even the playing field The problem was when they first came They didn't have no players From Hot 97 No

So when Envy came I felt like I think clue was first Yes I don't remember the order I think clue on first That clue No

No It had to be the breakfast club first He might know this I don't know I think clue in first Okay I think clue was made the move first.

Okay. Then it was Envy. Okay. But it's probably probably brought the same time. Wasn't it at level first? Well, yeah. Yeah.

At level, damn, you're right. You're right. You're right. At level was right. But at level it was like, you know, you know what I'm saying? He was still the big voice of the city, man.

But with Envy Clue left, it was like, okay. It was, because I remember, I don't know if you remember me. I know you got to remember this. This is after the shootout and I was banned. You know, I was not there.

So he was like, oh, fuck, fuck, how he said we're going to the Power 105. No, no, no, no, let me tell you something. This is the crazy shit. If you notice, in that time, every other artist will go to Power 105 and say, I flip the switch. I remember that. That was their campaign. That was their campaign. I did you to find Norrie say I flipped the switch.

Never did that. I could never do that because I could. Hold on, we got a drink for that one. Yay! Now, come on those days. Now, years later, maybe, I don't know. He eventually. I'm saying, like, yeah, because, you know why?

Like, Russell Simmons had to go. What's her name, Tracy? Tracy Christy, the ice cream. Yeah, Russell Simmons had to go. Oh, I didn't take the shot. And talk to them, and my record was number one, grimy. It was grimy that was pulled. And then it was you.

Like, as soon as I came back, I got a gentleman to the office, I was like, yeah, we back, my bingo. And he was like, it's like, it's a, go and then um i think it was kaisa or somebody was like it's a go yeah i said you played it every day you grab me right back to number one and i was like yes so so do y'all do you understand so how did how did y'all look at that that playing field because at one point it was just y'all right and then we have this other station that gum and then we got anjy like once angie went over there it was like all right cool like everybody's like kind of

him. Like, now it's like, it's like the Mets and the Yankees now, for real. Like, you know what it did, though? What you guys didn't understand. Okay. It watered the hip hop game down. Okay, explain that. Because now we're playing politics, right? And the politics is this.

Now, we're not going to play that R&B song. Why? Because they're playing. It's power playing it? Or whatever. We don't play R&B. We're a hip-hop station. You know what? Let them play it first. And then they'll take it to a certain level that we'll just take it and run with it. It became all that.

And then it came, you know what? Enough. We love what you're doing, but from now one, I want you to play four of these songs and out. That was the very beginning of it. Let me play that with Advocate. I was like, damn. But that's how it used to be for us in other,

like, if we go to Philly, yes. They'll say, there's enough playing it. Yeah. They'll say, it's flex planning it. You know what I'm saying? They're talking about the market. Yeah, because it was a market. But you were the leading market.

For them, it was like you from those markets. Lexi and up not playing it. Yeah. Why my God? Right. Yes. Yes. Even like Cosmic Kev.

Like even after Cosmic Kev. That's the only reason why they would bring that up. Listen, when I started hot, I started midnight. And it was like, okay, you're on 4 o'clock, have a good time played. I had no rules. Right. Go in. Right.

Whatever's hot on the street, whatever. It was like the uncut. Power came. Right. And then our hands started getting handcuffed, little by little, right? Oh, got to stick to this, you got to stick to that. And what he means, like, water diamond is now, now it starts getting political. Now, it's not hip-pop, no, it's not coming from here.

Now it's coming from here, but you got rules. Right. Right. Absolutely. So, and that's what people don't understand. Right. You know, it gets real tough with radio, like. And that war was a little child this, man.

From the outside looking, I was like, what are y'all doing up there? But, you know, I mean, it could talk about that. It got, yeah, it got petty. Super petty. It got petty. At first, it was fun. It was. But you could tell when it wasn't fun anymore.

You could see it. I'm going to keep it a buck. It kind of slipped. It kind of separated the city, which was whack. And I say to this day. Yeah, because you can't go to a power 105 far. What I can't DJ with envy? Well, I can't do it with pro style?

What? Right. Right. And it was like, hold up. And pro style is a heavy hitter. Right. He was. He was.

I mean, especially at that time. Shot the pro. Oh, yeah, you cut him off when he went to five one apart. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. But that's part of the politics. And, yo, I'm not here to shit on nobody.

I love Ebro. But he was playing, he was being the general, and you can't fuck with that side. Y'all was crips and bloods at one point. I remember. Yeah. That's what I was asking. I was kind of what.

And it hurt the city. It didn't really hurt the city. And I understood the, I got the radio. But, you know, once we're out that building, we're out here in the streets. You're out the way the war was, bro. You put up in the club, we got stickers. We put our stickers. Then they would come and put their sticker over our sticker.

Right, right. We're like, like rainbows and B Street. Yeah. That's what it was like. It was a little unfortunate. I got caught up in there a little bit because I got brainwashed. I can't front. I got caught.

I was young on radio. And I was like, oh, yeah. All them guys, and little by little, started getting brainwashed. Yeah, we all get brainwashed a little bit, man. What happened? I started following Ebro's energy. Right. But you can't fuck with that side.

Right. But I'm still a rookie at radio. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, whoa, yeah, we can't fuck with that side. I started falling for it. Right. And I regret that. And I regret that because that was nonsense. Right.

You know, you can't. I said it happened the other day. You know, and I thought a shade of nobody, you know, I think Ebo was a great PD. Right. He was doing his job. He wanted to win. Right. That's it

But You know why I was great bro And I'm gonna tell you why Because he protected us Yes He fought for us He fought for the DJ

That's the difference Right And I got it A lot of PDs don't fight They do their job Right When she gets hairy Peeo

They go Right You know So it was ugly But at the same time It's competition At the end of the day I could speak for myself

And you know If we got along With everybody At the end of the day You know what I'm saying? I mean, at some point, it's still competition. You still want to have the better set. Of course.

Of course. If you go in and... 100%. Yeah, yeah. And then when you put in a spot that you can't play with a homeboy, right. So you got to do, then you're competing. He's at that club.

I'm going to be here. And it becomes crazy competition. All right. I mean, y'all could compete, but at the end of the day, you guys are a home team as a city. Yes. That's the way it really should be. Right.

And that's what the toxic starts. Right. It started getting toxic, you know. But listen, after a couple of, years, I was like, this shit is bullshit. Right. I ain't doing this. And then did you think Flex had a particular part in that as well?

Like, because he's very competitive. Oh, no, forget about. Yeah. He was this and that's it. You know, I saw it different. I was like, yo, okay, this is cool on the radio, no doubt. Right. We're winning.

Right. But once we're out there. Right. It ain't that serious, man. It's like playing baseball. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

We're having drinks at the after party with the other people. With the other teammates. That's it. Bottom line. Warning. All right, y'all ready? Let me get a drink. He said, let me get a drink.

Okay, yeah. You ready? Jamie, can I get the last? Pretty much. Hey, Boucher, we're going to come in. Bring a chair, butch, right? This is on DJ. More queen?

I want to be surrounded by DJ. Big Queens? I want to be surrounded by DJ. Um... One, I want to ask this. King. I kept searching all your interviews and things you've done, and you've always said

I started heavy hitters because I was never accepted in the big dog football. That's 100% the truth. You always say it playing around. No, it's the truth. It's a fucking honest truth. I was tight.

Okay. So you mean that? Have you asked him or he? Yo, bro. Okay. I remember being at the radio station and he was announcing like new DJs who was part of his collective and it was like the DJ twins, the guys who used to be a red man.

Uh-huh. And he started naming all these like DJ premiere, whoever it was back at that. And you at the station looking at them. Yeah. So I met in the hallway, I was like, you know, my man. When are you going to make me a big dog pit bull? And then he hit me with the, you know, my man.

You know, the last crew, the last. the last crew that I was a part of the Flip Squad DJs that wasn't really mine that was Jessica's and this crew I want this one to be mine and you know

I think for this one I'm gonna ask you to sit out so he told me honestly he told me straight up he was like like this ain't for me so I was like it was almost like

a balloon got deflated I was like that almost sounds like saying you're so big this one's for me you could do your own Kind of something like that. I mean, I wasn't there, but...

Look, in a weird way, me and Funk got a real love and hate relationship, right? Because we just go back so long. Right. But he would tell me my ears. He was like, yeah, when you was on kiss, you kicked my ass when you played this record, and then you was cutting up this record.

Like, he would give me my flowers, but behind closed doors. Right. And I was like, damn, why do that? And a part of... you know, the conversation, you know, because this might be the last time I talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But at the end of the day, I always felt like just because I'm moving a certain way and maybe you don't know about certain things or it's not the way you move, doesn't mean I should be punished. You understand my point? So that's kind of like the gist of this. So when I couldn't become a,

Big Door Pitbull, rest of peace DJ Threat, he's the one that brought up the idea. He was like, yo, what are we going to do, man? About your own fucking crew. So I was like, what? And I didn't think about it. I said, DJ Threat put a battery on this guy. He did.

He said, literally, though. He was like, fuck for Master Flax. He was. And I was like, damn, why are we going there? Like, it's not that, ain't that serious. Right. And he's like, nah, we're going to call the heavy hitters because your handle, my handle at the time.

time was the heavy hitter DJ, you know, and he was a little chubby. Right. And we used to have fat boy talk on the radio. I used to do a shift called the midnight run. I was on 12 to midnight to 4 in the morning. And the fat boy talk was, all we talked about was the spots we get the food. The best pizza, the best chicken parmesan heroes, the best burgers. I'm in.

Some real fat boy shit. This is before vegan life. Before healthy, anything. You know, I'm 300 pounds talking fat boy talk. Because in New York or any big city, even like Miami, you bring food up, you put a debate. If I say, this is the best fried chicken in the world, somebody always got something to say, nah, I eat the best chicken. This is the fried.

It's like pizza Miami. You can never get New York pizza Miami. I don't care what. You have an argument over that. All day. Or it's like the chicken sandwich beef that have Popeyes, the Chick-fil-A. and whatever the McDonald's whatever sandwich

that was a real beat the internet went crazy off of that so that's what it was so and then the heavy hit is but hold up before the DJ crews wise was it Flip Squad then Big Dot Pipples

what other DJ crews were around at that time especially for radio and radio I mean even DJ's period because The only ones I knew were the pirate DJs in the bay They had a crew Yeah the pirate DJ

I remember that Because in short of after you had the technicians and the technicians came after the core DJs yeah yeah you need DJs in the city yeah that came after that's all day after right so it was just big dog pit bulls really at that moment there was other DJ crews but they went on radio right there was more like DJs who battle no no no I'm talking about radio because that that at that moment having being able to get everybody together in unison on radio is a big deal yeah that's a power move So at that point, Big Dog Pipples had that on lock, and then you come in.

Right. So he created that? Do you think was that where started the competition right there? Is that you actually where it started your own crew? I mean, this is the one thing I'm going to bring up and rest of peace to Mr. C. Mr. C, really, very, very good friend of mine. Rest and peace, Mr. C. And C came to me one day at the radio station, and he's like, damn near the vice president of the big dog pit bulls, right?

Right. And he says, yo, he, you give all these DJs a shot. You're not afraid of them taking your job? And I was like, no, C. You know why? Where me and you come from, these kids ain't got nothing. And for us to give them an opportunity. need to shine a little bit.

What's the hurting that? Amen. Right. What's the hurting that, bro? So what are you saying? Like, Big Dog Pit Bulls will only sign people that they... No, I don't think they understood

the more the more morale part of being a human being. And I understand this competition. I understand people want to be number one and the king of this and the king of that. But you see somebody bust on their bowing their bow.

what week after week at the club he's doing his thing he's making a little bit of noise you know he's good he's probably even better than some DJs you know on your own station so he's like you know what come up here man you co-sign him you go do a mix show go do a mix weekend go bust your nut on a on a Saturday go do your thing you know what's the hurting that right how you hurt so that's all it is that's real I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then. And I just hit call. Said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get, your podcasts. And then we became family, bro. That's the biggest thing. Like, listen, I'm the third guy he put down. Okay, yeah, who was, there's threat? It was me and threat. Uh-huh.

And then this fanatic, I was in Midtown Manhattan somewhere. I found him where. You probably was going to a gig or coming from a gig And I was like, you know, Threat Who are we going to put down? He said, I don't know, let's just figure it out And then DJ Camillo walks around the corner like Literally.

Hi, guys! All right. And I said, what about Camillo? He goes, yeah, I like Camillo. I like Camillo too. All right. Yo, Camillo, you want to be down with us? We started a new DJ group.

All right. Yo, without any... What had you been doing at the time? Just mixtapes? Back there was just clubs and mix tapes. I was, yeah, I was no rating or nothing. Norrie, he said yes without even, no hesitation, no nothing. Wow.

And mind you, heavy hiters was nothing then. Nothing, no one of what? It was just an idea. And I said, what? A crew? Yeah, I'm down. Let's go. Let's go.

And I was bugging. Mind you, I'm talking to DJ enough. Yeah, that was enough for you. This guy, he was doing this show called Midnight Run, 1007 Midnight's late. I was to just tuning on the way to the club, like, fucking enough's killing it. Kitting a big ton. That's all you teeted. Glanced on,

getting a body in him. Right. And then this guy says, you want to be down with me and, there's no questions that has. Like, there's not going to think about. Let's go.

Right. And it started right there. And this is, for lack of a better term. Were you local at the time? Super local. Okay, local. Super. I was local around the way.

Around the way, doing Casablanca, Prince Boulevard. I know I knew you, but I know that, like, you know, I didn't know if it was to just The Queens thing, you know what I mean?

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's from Brooklyn. Right. It was from Long Island. Oh, wow, wow. No Queens, nothing. I was a local. Wow.

I met you at the store, at the Woodside store. What was that? Numbers. Yeah, that's what I'm bench. And then I was pushing tapes. Maybe I was a little not local because of the mix tapes. Right. No, the mixtapes was everywhere.

Your hard work on the mixtapes were fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I used to send this guy mixed tapes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had my store. And I was super local. And then when he came up to me, what was it to think about? Right.

Let's go. What's next? Because you wasn't local. You already did a show of Switzerland. I was already moving around. He was living in France for a little while. Yeah. Doing all this craziness.

France? Or was not living there. I was doing gigs like that. Yeah. He was there for weeks going back and forth back. Like, you know, enough was like my past. I want to be like, I want to be like, eat. But heavy headers became a monster.

Shout out to Mr. Mauricio. Here in Miami. So, I mean, I think you should tell them what were the things about putting heavy hitters down. All right. So, for us, it was like you had to be a dope club DJ, a dope producer, or you had to be. Oh, I was that. Or you had to be a mixtape DJ. Okay.

Like, those were like the cartieries, you know, like simple things. And then you have to be. You never got called up. I guess we've still. Wow. But you also had to be hot in your city. Right. Or your area.

Like, you had to run your, you had to be a heavy hitter. Right. So, for example, you mentioned Pro Style, like he was hot in Orlando. No, Prostal was incredible,

man, he was the guy in Orlando. That's why we do our heavy-to-retreats to this day. Yeah. Because it started from Pro Style. Right. You got one coming up in November, right? Yeah, I'm going to Puerto Rico. Yeah, all right.

Yeah, all right. So how the heavy hitter retreat started was Pro Style invited us to a barbecue at his crib in Orlando. So he's like, All right, let's do it because we had, we had, there's like a family trip with the heavy hit is. We went to Universal Studios. So we're like, yeah, we're going to do now.

I was like, fuck, this comes to the crib. Barbecue. There's a family. We had a barbecue that's alligators in the lake. We're like, what the hell's going on here? Not paid alligators. This is just regular allegations. Regular Florida shit.

You know, from New York, you know, that's not regular. We got to doze in the backyard. Yeah, exactly. So, so little by little, DeCube became a family. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, little by little, Feli fell in L.A., he became a heavy hitter. I mean, we can see it for days.

Farris in Chicago, Mr. Mauricio. Does it go international as well? It goes international. We got DJ lead in Japan. Buddha. Buddha and Hono in Thailand. Right. And, you know, but it wasn't just about politics. It was just, we was a family straight up.

When there was times when people couldn't pay their rent or there was a situation, somebody got sick. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, oh, yo. We all were chipping, pay the bills. Just hold our goddamn, we never would talk about it. You know, this is real family stuff. DJ's like, DJ Cruz, they don't do that. No, yeah.

This is different for us. So we were very, enough was very, okay, who we're putting down and why? And let's give him some time. You know what I'll give you an example. Like, DJ Carlito, he's on a mega. Like, it took this. La Mega Cpa. It took him about six to seven years to get down.

And he was on our next. next every year, every year, every year. And then after a while, he showed up to one of the heavy hitter retreats. He wasn't a heavy hit. He pulled up. I said, yo, E. If one guy's in earning his stripes is this man right here. He don't stop.

And we put Galito down. Now he's in prime time, but he earned the stripes. He called me one day and said, yo, these guys are calling me. They wanted me to be down with this crew. But I said, nah, because I'm still waiting to be a heavy hitter. That's dope. How loyal is that?

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I made me so good. And he said started as a record pool originally. Now we've got the heaviest foundation. It's a 501c3, and what we do is we have drives. So, like, we went to DR one time, and we literally built a basketball court for a school that was literally underwater, you know. Fuffed up, like, it was a mess. The classrooms are a mess.

You know, it's poverty everywhere. Some kids ain't got it, bro. So you'd be surprised what they don't got. So we started to collect. And then my wife put it together. And she would have like, I need 200 book bags. And then we get composite notebooks, crayons, folders, pens, erasers, glue sticks. And, you know, every little thing.

And even a little toy we put in there, right? And then when you go there and you give him these bags to the kids, I saw a little kid. He probably was like six years old. he got a little reindeer like a little fluffy reindeer it probably cost a dollar 50 right that was everything for the kid was like oh my

god and in tears in tears that he got a reindeer and I was like this is crazy I said we got to do this yeah I was in DR so what else have you done the retreats at a lot of them were in DR

because I have a time share in DR right And at the time shared, they would give us, like, good discounts with the rooms, and if we book a certain amount of rooms, they'll throw a few rooms for free at us, whatever. That's the way we did it. And then we started to venture out to different places. And now it's, like, wherever we go, we're going to look for places. Like, my wife used to be an ABA therapist for autism. When we went to a school in Dominican Republic,

they don't even recognize autism as a whole. So my wife took all her legal teachings of being an ABA therapist and what's good for them. And she translated everything in Spanish so they can read and learn. And you go to these schools, they're fucked up. They have no floors. They're not even clean.

They have no cushions for the kids to sit on or whatever. So I'm not saying we can make everything perfect but we're going to make it a little bit better. Let's make it a little bit better, bro. That's real shit.

Because you know what? We go through these fancy resorts. We turn up. We have a good time. But I don't know if you guys know, resorts are usually built in fucked up neighborhoods. And it usually push out

poor families and poor people so they could build these monumental establishments so that we could get a spa massage for 90 minutes or we could you know you know what i'm saying that's real talk so that's why we do it yeah it's important you know we consider us as a as a crew of family we different right we different right now before the other day have you ever been called a snake before oh wow what a snake

that you ever in my life never never right never ever ever so how did you film Because you're snake number one, right? Yes. And then, and then Juski's snake number two? I think. Okay. I'm asking for a friend. All right.

Who's your friend? This guy. Juanita from the blog. I want to have your friend. Because he's getting a lot of information. How did you feel hearing that? Lies. Straight up lies.

I was like, what? How? How you figure? And what are we talking about? You know, um. Somebody made up a story and changed a narrative to his liking. I don't know why. Right.

You know, somebody said that I took this man's job. Right. And I'm snaked him. Right. And, you know, enough can tell you how I got that job. Ain't going like that. Right. I am.

What Tony A was to 50? That's what I'm telling you enough. Right. But, but. I'm loyal as fuck. Right. Hands down. Wasn't it a rumor of, like, Red Alert put you on,

and then you had to fire Red Alert at some point or something like that? Yeah. Talk your talk, E. Let me clear this up, because I heard Red on here. Okay. And Red don't get mad because red is stubborn. I love Red. Okay.

He'll always be my boss. Right. So, Andrea Ferreira, Super Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Good, right. And I'm glad I'm up here so I could tell my side of the story now. When the higher ups are hot 97 at the time, they called me into the office,

and they're like, we want you to do the shift from now warm, I think it would be a good look for you. And I'm like, I can't do that. That's red shifts. No, no, no, no. You're not listening to me. I'm like, I'm not doing that. That's Russia. I'm not doing that to him.

And then I got the evil face. Like, look, if you don't take it, I'm giving it to somebody else. You got to Saturday to tell me if you want it or not. So I'm like, damn, real aggressive. So then I talked to a few other people in the building. And it was already under the impression that they were trying to get rid of him. I went straight to the DJ booth. and had to talk with him.

You know what a Tatequito is? Yeah, of course. Right? That's almost like, when you hit a kid from, you know, burning. Stay still. You realize. So I went to go tell Red, and Red is the most peaceful DJ in the world. Facts.

I get it fucked up. I never even heard him yell at anybody. Right. And the 30, 40 plus years I know him. Wow. When I told him that I was just offered his job there's almost he was like

get out of here that's not true I'm like red I'm telling you like he didn't want to hear me and he was like you know Chris Lottie's his manager at the time they were working something out for a new

contract whatever it was so he dismissed me and I was hurt but he's still my father so I took it whatever and I left now this is the crazy part I'm scheduled to go on vacation

and I went to Puerto Rico so my six-month-year-old son can meet his grandmother for the first time. So I go. And I'm literally there. My son gets thick. He gets dehydrated and one week turns into three weeks.

And it's like, it's crazy. So I miss the firing of Red Alert. I'm in Puerto Rico. I had no idea what's happening. I knew what's happening, but just didn't know when. Right. So I guess that Monday I was supposed to come back and start to shift, right? You back then, there's no Instagram, there's no, uh-uh, there's no instant knowing.

No smartphones. Right, no smartphone. Right. Maybe a StarTac, maybe. Right. But that was the rumor, though, right, that you took his job. Yeah. Okay. So I had a salty taste in my mouth because it was like, I would never take his job. But at the end of the day, it was like, if I don't take it, somebody else will. They're going to get rid of him anyway. So at that point, I was like, oh, shit, what do I do? Then I get a phone call from the girl. I'll come back to vacation.

And the job was officially slated for Kit Capri. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Kit Kupree, and I don't know whatever the conversations were, it didn't work out. Then it was supposed to be DJ Ace or then myself. Because me and Ace were DJs that were doing our thing on Kiss FM before 997 became a thing. Right. We were part of this DJ clique called the Bomb Squad.

It was only like three of us. It wasn't an old little bomb squad. Right. Anyway, what was the thing? Because we used to play bombs on the radio. And then Flex stole our idea and boom. And then he became the biggest bomb dropper. They paid me.

Wait up. Oh, you ain't know that? No, I didn't know that. I don't know that. I don't think anyone's do that. So there's a guy named Chris McArdo. And Chris McArto is the sound imaging person at the station who cuts commercials. He does

he uploads the music into the system. Remember the big computer we talked about? The sound effects, the imaging for the station that goes not any voice stuff like Kiss FM. You know all that weird stuff. They voice it. They put sound effects. He's that guy. He found

that sonic boom drop that you hit to this day that Flex still plays. He found that. But the bomb squad, we had a real cheesy drop. All shit went like It was horrible His was like

Like a sonic destruction And he changed the game with that drop But that's That's my style of story And I'm sticking to it Right So did you finish about Being called a snake?

Well you know I think it's best I think he's best You know, I'll tell you How I ended up doing five o'clock when he was doing four o'clock when he was doing four. You could break down because if anybody tuned in to Hot 97 yesterday, right? This is coming out next week, so I apologize, but what they were saying is I got

cast one saying everyone knows how the slots go, right? And then we got you saying, well, you posted the picture saying, and then, you know, you're playing yesterday saying Jake the Snake, you know what I mean? He was going crazy. All right, so. Jake the Snake is Robert's baby on here, number one snake, you're building. Hold on. You was really saying all this? He posted a picture taking the snake.

I was going to go out. I got the city lit. Like, I'm not going to lie to you. So, you know, they call me the snake on a radio. I'm like, okay, I'm snake number one. I'm going to be the best number one snake. Hit my hand, number one snake. You know, if you really want to break it down how I got that slot, I'll tell you.

You want to say it? The year was 2015. Go ahead. This dude was overseas, hurt, in the hospital. As he broke his knee or something? I broke my knee. I was on tour. I did Italy.

The next day, I did a country called Moldova. In Moldova, I broke my knee in a hotel. Wow. I had an accident. This happened on the end, the last week of June. I think he was trying to sneak out the bathroom. And then he fell in the bathroom. That's what happened.

I broke my knee, literally. In Moldova, third world, eastern European country. Wow. This happened. Tim, I've been on a little bit of what Moldova is. Exactly. That makes of Ukraine. Just so you know.

Okay, all. That's why. That's why. I fly back. I fly back the whole summer I was out of commission, off, in bed, at home, no radio, no gigs. Summer 2015, I'm in bed knocked out. All right. Enough is on the radio doing what he does best.

I got a rumor, and I heard in the streets that Power 105 offered Camillo a slab. Okay. And I got tight. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. We're not having that. Okay. Oh, this is before Camilla was on the radio. You're saying? No, he was already on the radio. Okay, okay. He didn't have, he didn't have that time slot. What is that? He was fooling around. I was doing midnight. I was doing the new, I was doing on radio.

You did the new at two? You did. I was doing the new at two. Okay. I was doing the new at two. Okay. And we had left. Envy started that. And we started that. And we left. I took over new at two. Okay. And I was doing new at two. And I was doing Friday's nights, heavy hit hour. Wait, that was your official first spot? It was new at two? No, my first spot was midnight. Okay. And then I had the reggaeton show lights out. Okay, okay, that's right. First reggaton show on him. Right, that's right.

And then when it first started with, I heard a rumor that they was trying to take them from us. Mm-hmm. And I had three or four hours on a Friday. So I said, nah, man, I'm going to give you an extra hour on a Friday. You just called the heaviest hour and you're going to host it, DJ it, it's all yours. Mm-hmm. To try to at least tame this dude from leaving. Right.

Because he's hot. Right. This is before 2015. But he's still hot. Right. He's so humble. He's so humble, bro. Right.

But he's fucking one of the hottest DJs in the city. He's on fire. So, yeah, so he gave me that first slot. It used to be his on Fridays. He was on for three hours. He gave me that last hour right before Mr. C got on. And it was amazing. That was the happiest DJ in the city.

You could give me nothing else. happy Everybody's Listen Everybody's goal Everybody's goal is to be on prime time radio Every DJ Everybody's everybody's going

I'm sorry This is my last morning Everybody's goal is to be on primetime radio If somebody asks me one day You want to be on 5 o'clock when you know something I would always say Fuck yeah

One day One day So you know how it all went down since this guy's not talking how it all went down is I'm in bed out of commission trying to recover from his knee injury enough doing radio with Nessa

and I don't know what happened between them you know whether he wasn't happy or Nessa wasn't happy the marriage wasn't great correct it wasn't good bro I woke him with open arms and I felt like she was just scrutinizing. You know what I realized to this day? And I mean, just recently, a lot of us, including y'all, we all come from the street first.

Club, street, we grew up in the street. There's nobody who coached us on how to do this. They ain't nobody say, yo, this is how you're going to park at. Nobody came and you say you do this how you DJ. But none of us. So it's all trial by error. we do what we can we're trying to be humans

figure it out figure it out right right the home girl came from like like the radio geek squad like she's yo her and her producer

they're like this they're flawless yo they don't make no fucking mistakes they're great at what they do they're polished they probably went to school for I don't even know but anyway they're very good at what they're just like it's just like a machine

it's almost they're meticulous It's almost too perfect to me. Right. So after a while, I was like, I don't know if I could deal with this, bro. I got, I'm a people person. I'm into this.

I'm into feelings, emotions. I mean, I got to go somewhere where I feel comfortable. So I got up out of there. I said, I'm out. I got offered to do a shot in the middays with Megan. She was a new girl. She was working here in Miami for a little while. And at that time, I get the phone call like,

yo, do you want to do this? I said, whoa, what? How are we? I'm home. We're broken knees still. I said, yeah, let's switch, bro. I said, the first phone call I did is call him. I said, if you don't mind.

Can we switch, bro? All right. Because I wouldn't mind. It's the same thing, bro. All right. You're on for what? 90 minutes. I'm on for an hour.

What's another 15, 20 minutes? Who cares? But, you know, to keep it a buck, the first phone call I did was enough. Yo, I, I can't, I don't want this like this. Wait, this is this recently you're talking about? This is 2015. When I supposedly took his The snake over here took his job

Okay So you know I said I can't He enough said Bro Take it If you don't take it Somebody else is And I don't want nobody else to take it

But you You deserve it Of course All right That's something to snake I'm gonna I gotta That's something the snake would not

Right That's what a real like What else am I gonna do This is my brother You know I he told me what it was And what he's gonna be doing See I bet

All right cool And then then I talk to Nessa and then whatever it is what it is and then I got him to shift and here we are 10 years later you know and all of a sudden I'm a snake okay so the snake is from back then from that move well that's what they say now that's what somebody said

that a couple days ago that that's how I thought it was something recent that happened so that's what they're recalling that yeah that I snaked him that I snake my brother 10 years ago now I snaked him I thought they were saying from recently yeah I'm confused because everybody's thinking that

This is 10 years ago was Juski on hot? I don't think he was on hot He was doing boards and he was Okay, okay He was around, remember Remember, Juski used to do the boards for Angie That's right, I forgot that You know what I'm saying?

Before that, he's carrying records for Safer Salons Right, Yuski's been around Yucke's not a young new boy on the block He's been in that station for a long time Good dude A guy that the young boys embrace. The young world loves him because he supports that music. He's that guy.

They look for him. They don't look for nobody else. They look for him. You know, a lot of people hate that. So, E, let me act straight up. Pull a Band-Aid off. Let's do it. Do you think he got you fired?

Yeah You sort of pause I was just thinking about it for a second I mean I know he says he loves me He says TMZ is not going to get Whatever Whatever But how do you show love like that

Not like that It's deeper than rap man It's deeper than that but I don't You know ever want to talk to it Yeah we've been around for a long time Together You're going to flex you're saying? Just period.

All of us doing what we do. And I know everybody goes their way at times. And I know, look, there's, there's been some real talk that me and him had that I might have not liked. Like, you know, you got to dye your beard. He told you to rewind her? You got to rewind her. Yo, E!

You got to die your beard. If you don't die, these kids are going to think you're too old. Oh, shit. We would have been fucked over here at drink chance. I'm not saying, you would have been cooked. You would have been cooked, my brother. You would have been out of it. You know, so it's those conversations that, you know,

I was doing the mix show coordinating jobs at the station, doing the music meetings, and then I noticed that he would show up in support, and then he would bitch about the music. I'm like, yo, all the DJs voted on these songs. if you get the emails you're invited to all the meetings like everybody else's

be focal let's talk let's build but he never wanted to do it and I don't know if he's because he didn't like me at the home running the conference room or whatever it was

but I can't tell you where it just ultimately cracked for him where he was like because in his mind he said I gave up you know by letting him win by letting Juski win Sting number one,

stig number two, by letting them win. But that was never my motto. Remember what I, Mr. C asked, how could you let those guys do da-da-da-da? Aren't you afraid of losing? I said, no, because if they deserve it, then they should get it.

That's just the way it is, well. And he deserves it. Not my slot, but he deserves a big shot. Right. Plus, you guys are a collective, so you're all winning. Yeah, that's it. We all win.

Right. We all hold each other. And that's how I always looked at it. That's the difference between me and him. That's it. That's all it is. I'm not a gangster. I'm not a tough guy.

But his talk shit game is impeccable. He's been doing it for years. This ain't new. He has amazing. He's a lot more important. What? You lost it. You're stuck.

I got to take a pinnish. That's all right. I got this break? No, no, no. You got to take a fist? Yeah, good, good, good, good. It's good. I had this, like, overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then.

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And to me, I've never thought I'd see this moment, like, period. Like, because I felt like I always knew it was a little bit of turmoil, but I felt like everyone covered it up very well for years. So I thought it was just never, like, you know, this would never, like, transpired. You're trying to say it's sad to see it happened, the way it's going down. That's what I'm trying to say. It bothers us to fuck out of me, too, because at this day and age, we've done so much, we're not young. Right.

This is where we had in our career. We've been, you know, winning. We've been winning together, collective. You know, whether you're there here, we're winning. And it comes to this bullshit. What are we doing out here? Right. At tu maldita, I.

What are we doing out here? You know what I'm saying? That's it. You know, and... How do you feel about the love and support that New York is giving you? Make sure you speak it on the mic, yeah. Say again, Bush. I can't hear you, boy.

The love and support coming from New York. Like, do you feel like everybody has your back still? You know, my man. That's the most. The most overwhelming part. I was going to say that. I'm in the crib, chilling now since I've got let go. I just say, how do your phone?

Yeah, I can imagine. Fire. Yeah. People I haven't spoken to them out in 30 years. Everybody is. I got your back. Of course. Here's the difference.

The streets love us organically. I can't speak about the other side. The streets fuck with us. Absolutely. You, hold on, I'm going to tell you a funny story I just told them today. because they were assuming he was snake number one I had gooms getting ready to go see him at his next party Yep

Wow Not These are my friends I grew up with And they were just trying to you know Hold me down Of course Come on the snake Now we're gonna come see him

Wow I'm like no no relax Chill That's my brother Right right So you gotta be careful what we say You say how how crucial is when you change a narrative And what it could do

Yeah man how people think and the streets look out show what what how quick because people are the words because people don't understand the intricates in this ounce of business they're all they hear is what they hear and they think it's true right we live in a generation oh you see the clip

and you believe it right away but let me ask you because after you DJ didn't flex come right on after you that started yesterday okay because y'all you're in the same building yesterday you saw each other no that's a new schedule

so so what you know our radio station is going through an amazing crazy transition the studios are really shitty and I go live from my studio which is nice, clean sounds even better I think damn, the quality of the studio ain't clean

damn, that's low roll. It's just, you know, it's going through so I've been, for the past five years I've been going live from my studio and with Nessa and we've been killing it. But y'all are doing remote. Yeah, I do remote. She goes in, she does

a thing. I go live every day from studio. Flawlessly, you would never know. Because that's what you were saying that's haven't invested in the studio. That's what he was saying. Yeah, they haven't. They haven't. They've been saying the past two years there's new studios coming. Right. They haven't even put

a nail on the wall. Why are you trying to get AI jobs? I think the whole country is eventually. I think that's where, you know, I think everybody needs to worry about AI. Fun company that bought us right before COVID. That means they don't care. Who made money?

Say it again, hold up. That means they don't care. Who made money, bro? The hedge fund does not care. But who made money? Like literally the VC company. You spend 700 mil or whatever the hell it costs and you don't get no money back on return?

We don't even have a sales department, well. And it's true that you don't have a PD? There's a consultant. It's been 14 months we haven't had a PD. We just got a consultant. A consultant is the PD? consultant. And mind you, mind you.

And he's a good guy. I like him. Yeah, great guy. I'm going to keep it a buck. We're so professional that you can never tell to this day. Because we're still running the show like it's supposed to be running. Yeah, nobody got out of line. Not taking away from anybody.

Morning show is doing their thing. Afternoons, and that's, we're doing our thing. The numbers speak for itself. Respects. The guy at 7 o'clock is doing his thing respectfully. And we still... Yeah, five o'clock now. Five to eleven.

Oh, you are five. No, I'm on four to five. You are four to five. The other guys are five. Okay, all right. And the snake number one's at four. All right. So the snake shit is hilarious, bro.

But, you know, we're so professional as a building that we're still holding a four down without a PD, without a property, without whatever. And because, you know why? Because we work hard and we love the brand and we love the culture. And we still want to break records. We still want to grab their name. kind of like back in the days and blowing the fuck up. We still love what we do. Do you guys feel that terrestrial radio

still has the power though? I believe this week show proved it. I'm sorry to answer y'all question. I don't know if I believe this week would. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. It's not the same of course since when Super Doug was coming up. Of course not. That was the only channel.

Yeah. It's still a big thing. People don't understand that. It is. It's a big thing. It's not, especially New York. I'm sorry to cut you up, but this week it proved it. Everyone was tuned in to hot, and y'all speaking about hot. Like, that's that's what was kind of dope. Like, it actually showed the power of... But that should

not be the reason why they're tuned in. I mean, fuck it. Who cares? That's not only they tune in sometime. I get what he's saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can't go down that, that fucking... The bottom is, if it was fake, if it was fake, we could say that. This is not, this is not fake. This is all real. The reason why I say that is that why couldn't you guys, with the power that you guys have as a collective,

take this into your own hands. Like, either, A, be able to somehow partner with someone that pulls a license to get your own terrestrial or go completely serious XM channel. I think, I think that's a scary move. Radio, like you said, is not what it was. So doing that move is left. And radio is not what it was.

So we have so many other channels. To be continued. Okay. All right, right, right. That's what I'm leaving. I just think that in the end, as hip-hop, We need to own more We need to

What we built should be owned But that's been the struggle since day one Right Or remember that We do have It's jobs too Like you know what I'm saying Like me personally

Like I always tell you I enjoy working for love And hip hop Because it wasn't like I just could show up And I could just do what I gotta do And I can just leave Right

You know what I mean Like when you control everything You have to be there Before they come And you have to be there After they bounce you know what i'm saying but you don't have to be the manager always you can hide you can be owner what i'm saying is sometimes i enjoy i enjoy so like to answer your question without answer your

question for y'all like sometimes it's cool to work for other people like that shit is cool because it's like yo let me go go do my job and then that's it you know what i'm saying that's how i feel it's just comfortable yeah yeah but you know what i'm gonna keep it a buck and i never said this before okay i should have been left hot 97 i stayed there way too long i stayed there past my time. Wow. I was too, I was, I was no crap yet, not yet. Okay. I think the point I'm trying to get at is

I got too comfortable because it was something I was good at. And I enjoyed doing it, like you said. And I remember, like, when I first got my first gig, I would have did it for free, bro. That's how much I loved hip-hop. I would have did it for free. That's been hip-hop's problem

from the beginning, though. That's the problem. That's the problem that hip-hap is at. Because we don't treat it as a business. Right. We treat it on some emotional shit on our hearts and our slaves. And furthermore it's like we, like you said, we need to own it and whoever, even if you work for somebody, those people you work for

give a fuck. That's the problem. And care about the culture. No, B.C.'s going to give a fuck. Right, right. They're not culturally invested in hip-hop or the culture, anything. 100%. And, yeah, and a hedge fund running, and it's not going to care. They just care about how we're going to flip this and keep them fucking moving.

Right. It's a flip. That's all they're doing is a flip. I don't hate them. That's Or profit loss. Either way, it's fucked. That's their goal. But guess what's going to happen? This brand that you're pushing? Right.

But, like, I always make jokes of my friend Sonny. Sometimes I tell him, I tell him, like, you're a company man, right? Like, he literally won't miss work. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you'll go work all the time. Good for him, though. Yeah. You literally want to miss work.

I make fun of it, right? And then I heard Ebro this morning. He's like, literally, he won't miss work. What's wrong with this guy? I mean, you know what I'm saying? I got you. I got you. Hey, man, like, oh, dude, it's...

Good for you, Sonny. It's a great thing. Shout to Sonny. Good job, Sonny. I've always been, I've always been a joke of it. Now, when the Evo said. When I heard about Ebro, Ebo were saying, like, someone about Flex is like,

yo, you know, Flex is going to do exactly what these venture capitalists, people want him to do. Like, he's going to promote the company name. He's going to do that. So basically he's a company man. Is that something that you have to fall in line with and, like, follow those type of steps? Or is it something that you feel like, you know what I mean? You're going to maintain who you are.

Listen, it's a business and we don't own it, right? And at the end of the day, you got to win and you got to follow rules. And, you know, if it's a right company, yeah. You got to, you know, but you at the same time, you got to know how to work you, man. You got to be yourself at the same time. Nori got to be Nori. but if you work for somebody you also got to play by their rules

and I get it and as a DJ and a radio station hip hop everybody thinks oh Camillo why don't you play this enough why don't you play this you know why don't you play this you can't

I work for somebody they got rules and there's programming right it's programming so you know you have to be able to finagle that and that's what we're great at we're able to finagle that

and then I could give him 30% of Camillo who he really is and take this risk and play to play this fucking reggaeton song, which they hate when I do. But, you know, this is what the fuck is popping, I believe him. You know what I'm

saying? Enough same thing. You know, how many years did enough push the envelope a little bit? Every year. Kanye West. Every year. Every year. Pitch the envelope. Every year. You know, I mean, we could sit here for days.

I don't know. Who did the last guy? NEMS. I love NEMS. Coney Island, Brooklyn. I love his music. I can't, I wish I could play that record. You know, so I have to finagle names. Yo, there's countless acts we play over and over again. That there's always something.

I remember playing, Hi, My Name is, by Eminem. And the PD came from all the way in the back, was like, what the fuck are you playing? It's not rock and roll. It's just hip-hop. I mean, you're this kid's on fire. He's going to be the next one, I promise you. You know, one time. It's that shit.

One time I was filling it for enough when this is morning show. I filled in for, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this is after, no, this morning show, morning show, Stormbuck Wild. Right. He put me to fill in. I did a few times. One time, I played React by Eric Sermon. Classic, classic record. Brand new, played the ice queen came.

Ice queen, we used to call it Trixie. She came, yo, what are you doing? If you don't, um, play the, um, cut you, put, go, back to program. I'm like, whoa, you know, this is, this is things that happened in radio. And I understand. Back then, I didn't get it. Right. I was a mixtape kid on the radio, like,

you know, trying to play that fire. But this is part of the game. I understand now what it is. Because mornings are supposed to be a broader audience. It must play the hit. Morning is way more strict. Like enough said, none of us were trained for this. Right. You know, we learned by

trial and error. Right. And this is what makes us great now, because now we know how to play both sides, you know, of course I want to Enough wants to be enough 100%. Camillo wants to be 100%. But when you're on that radio, you can't beat yourself 100%. You got to play.

You got to be high 97%. Cool. That's fine. You just got to know how to do it, man. It sucks, but it is what it is. But there might be an opportunity now. There's always an opportunity. That's forced to make an opportunity to be 100% yourself.

Maybe, yeah. Was it hard working with Star and bought? Yeah. Yeah? Legend. Because Star didn't give a fuck. And that was the beauty And that was the beauty. And that was the beauty

And that's why he won't because he was himself 100%. He wasn't playing. So how did you wind up on a story? Why, sure. Because I was doing mornings first with Ed Lover. And I forgot the girl's name Maya, something, the white girl.

And then later on, it was Fat Man School, Ms. Jones. And Chris and peace. And Kurt Fleur. So they kept me in the morning because I was good. And so had you heard a Star Buck Wild at that time or no? Star used to work at Virgin Records. Virgin, the record label.

And I used to be an intern for Virgin back in the days. Okay. So I knew him from back then. Okay. But I knew his real name wasn't, he didn't go by Star. Okay. That's it. And then he came on Hot 97 and shit got lit.

he got let he was trying to control what I played okay really yeah not not the station not the station okay well in himself okay in what ways what was it like like I can't play that he used to play this bro and I'm like but he was wild because sometimes he would just ask for like nirvana yeah yeah so he was eclectic with his shit there was another group his favorite group rock and roll group shit not co-play with some other shit like presto rush he used to be like You know, play the rush shit. Yo, this is straight rock and roll, bro. What's wrong with you?

Hot 97. He's like, I'm not going to laugh at hell. And then he'd be like, you know, I don't want to hear that book of jiggle music. I'll be like, what? And that's how you talk to us. So I got frustrated one day. Took my little book bag, put my stuff away,

and I left. I buggyed my ass out of the station. I said, fuck that I quit. All right. And then the boss came, where's enough? He just quits. And like, what?

She ran down the block and she chased me for like a block and a half. That's when I knew I was in porn for the first time. I was like, because she didn't give a fuck. She would have just left me. Right. But she chased me. And she was like, no, you got to come back. You're one of my best DJs.

So I was like, oh, shit. I was the first time I knew I had a little bit of power, a little bit. Oh, good. Amen. Yeah. I just text me the other day and I just told her thank you for everything

you changed my life you had no idea how much you changed my life all right so I'm going to bounce around a little bit so how did you get the call that it's like you'd be in let go

this time somebody called me and said hey can we meet and I was like yeah sure I said can you meet me at the studio but like no I need to come by the offices I said all right cool

studio offices two different places Yeah, so if you're off. They're down the block from each other, but two different places. Okay. So I said, I said, I said, what time's cool? Around 11? I said, no, you know, let's do that one when I go off my shift.

No, no, no, I'm lying. I see, I'll beat around 11. Okay. Handing me a piece of paper. And I said, yo. Like a termination letter? Yeah. Yo, thank you for your services.

This is hard for me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Where the person is saying that Or the letter is saying that? I mean the person is saying that I don't want to put that person on blast Okay, all right, cool, cool, cool, cool. And then I was worried, that's it. And then he goes, that, that's it.

You know, we're going to start something new starting Tuesday, you know, and you're just not going to be part of the lineup. Wow. So I was like, all right, that's it? Yeah, all right. Peace. When's my last day? Tomorrow.

All right, cool. Damn, that quick. So then I was going to DJ from home. Like, we have been. Remote. Right. But then this animal and one of my other DJs is like, now we're going to celebrate you, bro.

All right. I just, you know, respectfully 27 years. You better come to work. We're going to film this. We're going to show the world that, you know. We're going to salute you. So. We got, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got,

The yollahs? The yallas? Okay, one of the yallas. We got to wait. Yes, let's get the one yala. Yeah, let's give him the one yala. Hold on, hold on. As, as, as, as, yeah, we, don't worry. All right, well, just, you heard us say one.

Right now, he needs a very slop yollahs, man. Snake to Jake, Fergit, uh, Snake to Jake said it, we got to salute the boy. So, look, we want to get you your flowers because I wish I was there and there. Like that, like that. I love that. But go ahead, continue, I'm a bad. No, so, you know, that's when I got on the horn. I got to work.

I said, yo, I called everybody. Well, not everybody, but at least, you know, it was so last minute, you know, I just started faking phone calls, every DJ, every, you know, everybody, and said, listen, tomorrow's last show, we're all pulling up. To salute him, give him his flowers. He put his sweat into his place, you know, respectfully in his heart. He has 9-97 because this is what he did for 27, 30, 3. 30 years.

Right. So, you know, Fat Joe. Yep, call it. Fat Joe said, what's the address? Right. All right. He didn't hesitate. He didn't say, what's the address?

All right. You know, and from there it was just a ripple. You know, Caldard pulled up. Jim Jones called me and called. It was just a celebration. It was beautiful. My guy was crying on the radio, which is a beautiful thing. No, that's real short, man.

Do you see video? Yeah. Did you see that when I said, because I started like the 188. Bair from TV. That's right to the... Bair from TV, baby, man. Bands from TV.

I think to know. It's a pause, son. Man from TV, baby. You know, that way to sign on. Yeah, that record used to have people in a frenzy. No disrespect, yo. I remember doing... There's a club in New York called...

It was called Club Carbon. Now it's called Terminal 5. Yep. It was exit, and it was black. And I remember in 98, there was a girl from D.C. named Steph Lover. Yeah. And Steph Lover used to work with me. Yes.

Big up Steph Lover. And I boarded to the club. And I threw on Van from TV. And it was the ultimate Razor Blade fight. Yo, when I tell you, she came from D.C. And she was like, you know, I thought D.C. was the murder capital. But New York be on some other shit. Right.

You know, next we're getting sliced, gushes open. Thank you, Nore. All you're getting sliced. You know, T.D. Yo, it was out, right? I wasn't there. I wasn't there. That wasn't there.

But that's what Noree did to the streets, you know. He had the people going crazy. Well, so let's describe that year in 1998. This is the first year you get on the radio, right? For me. I have two legacies that I pick. What is it called?

The 10 year, decade. What is it? A decade. It's 10 years. That I pick, right? It's the one that I'm not in and the one that I'm in. And the one that I'm in starts from 97 to like 2007 that decade. But 1998, to me, is one of the best years of music.

So I need to hear you from a DJ perspective. this is so when did you start and what year did you start on that radio in 1998 what month for me august oh god damn it everything is out so everything DMX done drop everything drop everything so i describe us that first day and then how do you choose this election because everything is hot and especially new york we're on fire yeah i'm sorry yeah i'm sorry You were not 97. You already been on radio. I already been on radio.

I remember one of my historic moments was playing Quiet Storm, the remix with Little Kim. And Ed Lover is in the booth. And, you know, that's how it was. All the races like that. DJ Boots in one section, the air studio is another. So I'm going, hot damn hole, here she goes again. Liza, you know. on one side is the dirty

and the other side's the clean but because my headphones are a certain way I'm only hearing the clean side so head lover's like yo what the fuck are you doing and I'm still bringing it back I'm like yeah I'm nice right

I'm a brand new DJ on this radio station and I'm going hot damn hole here she goes again you know like bitch whatever that shit and I keep rewining it back and forth, back and forth.

It was a crazy year for me, bro. All right, right. A pun died. All right. That's the piece. It's crazy because, you know, I learned this for Mr. C, right? There's the thing we do, those tribute, you know, mixes when somebody passes away. But the crazy part is that what you guys don't understand, like, these are our guys. We went to war with them in the clubs.

We went on the road with them. We did a lot of things for them. Right. My uncle died. I didn't cry. What? When pun died? Uh-huh.

Yo, I was DJ in the booth. And you thought I cried on that video when I was my last day? No. I broke down on my knees. Like, this is crazy. Because to me, he's one of the greatest rappers to ever do it. Yeah. I like, he said, greatest rapper to ever do it, not greatest Puerto Rican rapper ever.

Oh, come on me. Who's going to drink for that? What's the guy talking to, Bill? Who's this guy talking to? I love it. I love it. Morning. And, you know, that was a big deal.

98 was everything. Yeah. No. I was one of the best years of my life, you know. Being able to, like, to, like, come out with a pun, DMX. Yeah, all that. Camron. Corrupt

Capadana Cannabis Cannabis Yeah Cannabis like That shit was like The best year In my life

It was a great year for hip hop Man Yeah Sok the shocker Yeah What was you saying Miller? No and you know

High 97 at that time The Hot 97 was in That was the staple That was the go-to And hands down I mean it led It led hip-hop Like you go in front of Hot 97

and see anybody like anybody would be in front of Hot 97 because they knew that that was like the mecca like and anywhere they moved to the people who caught on it didn't matter like like hot like that's it I wasn't on radio back then I was just looking at like a fan always like all right you know it was hot 97 and the source magazine those were the two things that led hip hop wow at one at one point you know I'm saying like that was what led yeah and what year you got on Hot 97 I got on 01 oh 1 oh 1 I started with that little little show I say it They put... What was this show at two? No, no. Okay. This is called... It's midnight Saturdays.

After the midnight run, they created a show, which was rest in peace, K Slay, N-Vee, Green Lantern. Oh, take it to the streets. Take it to the streets. Myself and Threat. I believe that was the five. That's right. And we were rode to every Saturday. So I was really on once a month.

Okay. The best time ever, because I got four hours to do it all fuck I want it, literally. Great time. On vinyl. What I wanted. I was Camillo out hat. I wasn't. High 90's saying with Camillo.

No, I was Camillo at Hot back then. Mind you, there was no competition back there. That's a big difference. It's a big difference. I get it. Back then, that was my boot camp. And it was the best time ever. O'1, like, for me, I would bring my boys up.

They would pick up the phones. It was a fucking amazing time, man. Yeah, wild times. Wild times. Facts. Yeah, um, I just want to ask this to you, Camillo. right now New York City

are you the hottest club DJ in New York City I'm going to keep it a buck you know I've been doing this man long and am I the hottest I consider myself the hottest absolutely 1,000%

my man show me a show you a show me a Caldon run down for September. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can do it all day. You can go to the Grand DJ, Camillo. There's all there. My run down, I'm busy.

I've been doing this for a long time. I don't get tired, man. I don't get tired. You know why? I don't get tired. I love this shit. You know, I love this shit. I come to Miami.

I love to play a booby trap. I love, you know, Miami's changed a lot. Miami has changed a lot. A lot. I used to love Winwood. Winwood. Winwood was on fucking, dude. Like I said, Miami's changed a lot.

Winwood for a time was on fire. But I could take it. back man when we used to do live in opium garden and mansion and a bamboo um amnesia to kill that you know so anyway what i'm trying to say is i still love this shit so i don't get tired no i i still you know i play every every almost every night of the week you know and that's admirable that you still love it that that way though and mind you the music's changed the culture's changed but um you know I love to play open format, too. Is that what's made you keep the love, open format?

Yeah. What is it open format? If I was just playing... I mean, you're probably going to explain a better than that. You know, I tap into the Demboa and the regitton world. Well, you could play a different genre. Let me tell you, my bad. Let me tell you.

One day I'm hanging out was floss and Frank White. And we followed you for three or four parties. You had three or four parties in one night. We went and said you something. We went and tried to, like, I got tired. What's your average set, though? It's no, time-wise. Time-wise, what you're ever said?

When he's talking about, when a day's like that, it's an hour set. But for the most part, nowadays, it's no more than two hours. You know, you go in there to body the club. Man, you would go, you would be in Elizabeth, and you'll go, like, somewhere in there, like, nowhere. Like, and then you'll go, like, wow. Guttnberg and then like something like And then we always end up uptown Oh my God

And you end up in like like thank me And like oh This is where you know Vinyl couldn't have happened You don't have to 3 in the morning Right Yeah the vinyl's couldn't happen Of course not

Yeah and it's a blessing Serato Yeah because you couldn't move that way Right yeah you know and listen I've seen I started calendar flyers right Like I want to count meaning I put a rundown What the fuck I'm doing a month

Right I started that in like 20 2009 8 And all the DJs do it now They follow that lead You know, I don't want to say I started it You know And I love to see every

fucking DJ doing it Because like What the fuck I started? Like you know They're all doing it And it's love I don't shame You know

It's I love what I do man I don't get tired And No, it's clear You know And listen I love radio too I still love

On top of that I'm on the radio Every day Prime Time That's a blessing You know In this time that we live in radio, like, to me, I go on there, energized every day, want to work.

You know what I'm saying? I got my flowers. That's right. Sorry, Camillo. No, it's your, it's your, it's your, it's your, it's your, it's a salute you. That's right. That's right. I'm the Tony Yale to.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, the good, we get in. One thing we, I don't think we highlighted. though about enough is the production side of it. Oh, that's right. Because you did, that's right. You got platinum records. But you say you did the remix to get money, right?

Get money. Which is an iconic remix. Talk about it. Shot to my brother Jiv. Me and Jif did that. And you did, you produced on Biggs. You know, by somebody kills you. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you know what? You try to chop up to get money and Big told you not to chop it up. You know what? Leave it, leave it.

You know what? When you travel on a road with a artist, especially like Big, Big new I was a DJ not just for him on the road but on the radio and the mix tapes and stuff so whenever we got to meet he was like a crackhead he'd be like, what you got?

What's new? What's what they got? And then like a student he wants to listen and break down what they're saying. Like that was his way of knowing if he was still good or if he was hot enough. Staying relevant. Yeah, that was his

like what you got? I remember I brought him to my crib in Brooklyn to do a mixtape freestyle for me there was a kid named Freshco the Floa. Freshco was signed a Tommy Boy Records in 1990. Freshco, F-R-E-S-A-H-A-T-O.

And to put it in perspective, I know why you didn't hear it because it was old. In 1991, he won the new music seminar contest for the best rapper. That year, DJ Miz was the best DJ. And together, they made him a group. So I knew him because he used to live in Sunset Park, Brooklyn for a little while, and that wasn't too far from Flatbush where I lived.

And when I told Biggie out Freshco coming to the crib, he's like, were? All right. Like almost like intimidated. All right. And then when I did drops for Freshco on the production, he's like, yo, can I get some drops too? Yeah, big. So it was just funny.

Like, just to see that, you know, early, big, and the way he just loved music. And we'd ride in the car and he'd hear music. We listen to Duwop mixtapes. And, like, the Get Money Remix was off of, the idea came from DJ Duwop. I said this before. Man, shut out, Duwap, man. Duwop had a 95 Live Part 2 mixtape. Ellis Mixedap series ever.

If you go back on that mixtape, I forgot. somebody's rapping on Dennis Edwards don't look any further and then Big was like, yo, can you loop that up for me? And then, you know, back in those days as a producers you didn't want to just loop or jack something. He wanted to chop it up and make it special. He was like, no, we're not chopping it up.

I said, what happened? Because that shit is fresh by itself. But then he said, they're going to charge me the same money no matter what, whether you chop it like this or for that to take the whole shit. All right. So I was like... Big, like a perfectionist kind?

Like, showing up to... Dada, Tigo. Like, showing up to sound checks and shit like that. Like, every time you had to do sound checks, if you go to or take it serious like that or... I mean, I would do that. Yeah. Yeah, he was...

He was already... He was already... He was already... He was already big, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. What, get? Quick time? You got quick time?

Oh, shit. Camillo. We're going... I'll just have Cammy. and have enough to sit. Camillo's his drinker. Yeah, he's designated drink. And, um, butchua.

Bushra. Yeah. Well, that's a way to be bad. Damn. All right. So the rules, guys. So we're going to give you a this or that question. You pick.

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All right. Clark Kenner, K. Slay, rest and peace to both. And this is any criteria. There's no criteria. whatever the relationship that you had. And if you say both, we... It's all good. We just drink and we... You don't got to drink.

You guys got to have Mama Hwana with me if you want. We got some Mama Hwana for you guys. Y'all might have to drink. You know why? I'm going to tell you why. I don't know if y'all know, but Kay Slay at one time was homeless. Really?

And Kay Slay used to clean cars with a squeegee. He was fucked up. Like, legit homeless. in that one. Yeah, he was fucked up. There's graffiti days? Maybe a little bit after that. And he's a legendary graffiti. And now, his skill set

on the graffiti is stupid. Yeah, wild style. But the reason why I big up Caseley hard. No. I'm going to big up Clark, too, but I big him hard because he fought for the streets. And no matter how political

a guy, A Hot 97, it never changed his trajectory of where he was going with his show and what he believed in. So I salute. him for that. Facts. But Clark Kent, he taught me

that you just loving the music is almost everything. Yeah, we could love hip-hop, but we could love rock and roll. We could love dance. We love house. We could love Spanish music. You know, like, we're lovers of music. And he told me

that, and he made that safe for me. So that's why you both, you're all going to drink. Let's go. We all drink it. Cheers, brother. Cheers. To the legends. I was a hard one, Norrie. Damn. It's going to be rest and peace

of both those. This is going to be off of you. Yeah. All right. Biggie or pun? Rest and peace.

Aye, aye, aye. This is Mr. Lee and hazardous sounds right there. The Colombian and the Dominican. You all get this? Yes.

We call at the cocaine second. That's who writes that. That's fucking nuts. The Colombian and the Dominican. Let me pour up in case. I'm wrong with with Big because that's my guy.

I worked for him, and I'd be stupid not to say his name. Okay. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane? Oh, shit. I'm going to say Jay-Z for me. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to say Hove. Okay.

Relax, bro. It's not going around the table. You're like, what are you doing, man? Ron's here, Kit Capri. King Capri for me Yeah, I'm with the Kit Capri, man I mean, shots to Kit Capri Now, they're both legends

Of course, that King of Legends He's his inspiration And shout out to Ron G because Of course. He'll with it too. So you said Kit Capri Yep All right. Nause or L?

He ain't got to ask me like it's, you know I personally got a drink to that. All right, relax. Don't, don't. You're leading the witness. No fault. Fuck. No fuck.

Just Nas or a hell. Noss. Yeah. Any reasoning? Please, baby. You don't have to give reasoning. Yeah, he's a lyrical master. Sid.

That's it. All right. Red alert or Marley Ma. Red alert. And you're answering pretty fast, man. Caled or drama? Callet. Jesus, Jehoshaphiz.

Analog or digital? Both of y'all. That's a tough one too, bro. Analog. I was like, did you meant to put it? Who wrote amnesia? I'm going to say digital. Digital?

Digital? Okay. No, I know. But the way you were. or amnesia or mansion amnesia that was the name of the club yeah yeah that's what story used to be oh yes yes yes but that's enough lane because i i did but i wasn't there for though so which one of those two i enjoyed the opium going spot what was that called amnesia i enjoyed that those are the miami spots right yeah oh okay okay yeah yeah Which is the one that prints on.

No, that was Glam Slam. That became Mansion. Yeah, Mansion. That was a hot spot, too. No, that place was dope. That place was off to change. Yo, Cala used to open up for me in Miami. Yeah, early on.

For sure. In fact, Joe wanted to kill me. I love this DJ talk. The first time I ever played in Miami ever, 98, was at Liquid and Cadet opened up for me. I'll never forget that. And first time ever, an idea. And we got shout out Epps, who was the king of the clubs in Miami at that time.

Found back old DJ Epps, I see you, man. Yeah, got a shout out F, man. That's crazy to me. And then I saw Calat last year. I look at him like, damn, this is how cool it was like, it's beautiful. The way, yeah, it all moves, yeah. What was the pirate radio station that was here? Well, we had a couple.

We, we, Uncle Hale had one. I was on 94.7. Oh, you think about Mix 96, which is where. Cali came from. I don't know. But so, another one. It wasn't mixed

a night man? No. We had so many. I was on three different pirate radio stations. It might have been up while.

It might have been that one. On Quile station? I don't, I'm not too sure. You're thinking I, or raw, DJ Raw station.

Yo, there was a bus a yellow school bus that would drive around. No, that wasn't it. I mean, I remember being here

in 96, 97, and this town was dead. It was nothing but old people. Hey, come on, man. Relax. I'm just that.

It was here. It was killing the game. You went to South Beach and it was dead. It was old people, wrinkly. No, man, what were me? And they were catching sun tans by the beach all day. They look orange. I do not a close sign.

This version of my name. Oh, shit. I remember my early Biggie and Uncle Luke stories, too. Those are fired, too. Oh, yeah? The Biggie and Uncle Luke shit. What happened? Talk about it.

No. What happened? Well, you know, I went to, I don't know if you were DJ. I went to the. first show that big did here in Miami. A little spot called Maihi Temple, Mahi Temple. I don't know if you were the DJ.

Probably not. Oh, man. That hurts, bro. You're drinking. Oh, man. All right. Let's go. You're drinking. Cheers. I'm on the BQE

with that one. Brooklyn, Queens, enough day. Okay. Aha. That's fine. I like that. That's what connects us, bro, Brooklyn and Queens, the BQE.

That's fact. Either that or the Jackie Robinson. Thanks. K-W-S-1 or Raq-Him? Dolly. Rock-im. Yeah. The Carus one is nasty, too.

The Rakem for me. Okay. Shout to both of them still. Yeah, you know. At a high level. 100%. 100%. So, man.

He said he went to school with you in Kingsborough. Who? Oh, word. Yeah. Who did? The guy who owns me one time. Oh, I was like... I thought you said it did a video for you.

He even posted. We got you. We got you. Teddy Riley or Farrell? Teddy. That's just for me. Teddy. Teddy.

Without Teddy's no, for real. Yeah, that's what I was to say. Like, you can't, it's hard. That's usually the best way to answer it. Yeah, it's a true. as before. In a good way. Because there's no Teddy, there's no for real.

Duop or Tony Touch? This is going to be both. Diaz brothers? You put in the Diaz brothers together? For me, Tony Touch. Only because I got a better relationship with touch. Okay. Salute both of them.

I'm going to have to go with Tony. But then those 50, not the 50 MCD. The 95 Live. 95 Live, bro. Amazing. And then Tony. to his later many years, 50 MC's crazy. Crazy. If you know, you know, man. Crazy. Crazy. And they... Yeah, what was Duop's crew's name again?

Bounce squad. Bounce squad. Yeah, Snaggartz. Yeah, Snagopold. And Duwark and Ruff. And he was L. That thing was unique. That thing was unique. Unique. Unique as a girl. Bounce squad was a hell, man. Yeah, Snackoos had that voice. Yeah. That's when the mixtape game really ran hip-hop. A doo-up got one, too. Shout out to. It was like, the mixtape game was above radio at that time, in my opinion.

The mixtape game got me to Germany in 99 because of a mixtape, a promoter. Houseldorf, you know? For me, it was Munich, Heidelberg. Heidelberg and Munich. No, you ain't been nowhere unless you gone to. Duzoldar. It's true, though. It's true.

I love it. I like her to dozold because how much you like it, right? The mix tape for the DJ. was the websites and was internet was internet straight out there you go there you go now mix tape game has changed lives they changed my life 100% all right i'm sorry what was the name of the crazy hood crazy hood crazy it's the shots two pocket dmx yeah gmx gmx how about you sorry my answer my answer my if you would ask me this question and 2000 would have been

DMX. But after many years of me doing homework, because I was, when it was New York and the West Coast I was... So it changed over years? Yeah, because I started to really study Tupac and listen. Really? And then I was like, whoa. It was a late plumber. Yeah.

And then it opened my eyes. What made you want to study though? Just as a little by little I started hearing new Tupac Swans. And I was like, yo, this guy is... Like he's ill. Ill. And I, and it, yes, because he sounds crazy.

Because he did, yeah. You were like, you're putting more work after he passed. You know, to this day, Tupac has what's called a cult following. That's it. But also, what Puck did that was smart is he, he made so many records. Such a catalog that it lasted beyond time. Right. And that's what happened with us for DJ.

You started to do homework. And I was like, Dan, Tupac is ill. And back then, I was just not, I'm not seeing that. I was stubborn and young. I'm like, Queens, you know, CNN. CNN, Channel 10. Yeah. New York, New York, you know what I'm saying?

A lot of people don't know what Channel 10 is, right? It was the, it was a channel. It was CNN and Queens. Crazy. Go ahead. On me. Kooji rapper, Slick Rick. Oh.

Oh, sugar and spice. Oh, they all tell stories, yep. Story kings right there. Flick Rick for me. I'm going to go Kooji Raff for me. I did. We're going to have to drink. No, yeah.

What is that? You got a drink. You got a drink. You're taking a blunt from Mr. Lee. You know what that means, right? Is it laced? It's laced with Mr. Lee. I'm doing it because I drink Chips.

No, no, that's right. So I don't know. Chips. I'll take a shot. I promise the wife I wouldn't smoke. That's right. Now, don't smoke, please. Don't smoke, by the way.

Kanye or Dr. Dre? Shit. I'm going to go Kanye with that. Dr. Dre. You think this is generational? You're a little younger? No. I don't like the disparity here.

The way these questions are put, they're all hard. They're all tough, man. But I want to say it's just so many songs with Kanye, man. It's like. And so many songs with Dr. Drey, well. True, but more current, like, it's so much. You don't even need to explain that. No, but from my point.

Hey, man, let me explain. Dude, what the way are you? His lawyer, bro? The fuck out of here, dude. For my point. You know, it's just the person. You know, Dre got them timeless, timeless. You could play anywhere.

I mean, Dr. Dre got the timeless, timeless. That's what I said, Dre, Dre. That's what I said, Dre. Ain't Kanye too, though. Right. As a matter of fact, you take a shot. Take a shot, man. This guy got what going on.

I'm fan of both of them. Production-wise. All right. Illmatic, ready to die I want to see how this goes This is going to be fantastic And don't Lawyer

You're a lawyer He's going to go illmatic I'm going to go ready to die And this is the way we're fucking roll Y'all all drink Let's drink, let's go I'm even take a shot That's a heavy hitter stance or anything?

Salute, no, that's real. Warning. Morning. Always. You don't know what Illmatic did to anybody from Queens. Bible. It's the Bible, man. What do you mean?

To hip-hop, man. I know, but you're talking to Queens, Queens, Queens, I don't know. Trust me, I know, Queens, Queens, Queens. It is my life. It is my life. It's the life you chose, bro. My life is Queen, Queen, Queen. Madigan, your walkman

I'm from Queens, bro. And your walkman. You were a walkman, you wasn't in a shit. I don't say it about the guys didn't have it in his walk. No, but I love. Horace in the Spanish version, he had it. He had nastiness.

Lopez? Back a years ago. NW. Republic Enemy. Yeah. The tough ones, man. Damn, damn, damn. This is a enough question right here, man.

I'm going to say public back. That's it? You're asking me, right? Yes, it's it. I was that. Thanks? I don't know what's going on here. No problem.

All right, Tutsis are booby-trap. Now I'm asking you. Don't do them. I'm asking you home. I don't know. Tutsi. Sorry, I'm going to say, but booby trap. No, I'm asking you.

I dragged him to booby trap. I'm booby trap all day. You crazy? Okay. A trap, baby. Oh, shit. Hollywood Cale from movie trap. Shout to coach. He's calling me right now.

They're calling you from booby truss right now? Yo, let me call you right back. I'll call you right back, King. Sorry. All right Should have said Booby Trap or Club 11

In the Bronx? No, Club 11 Club 11 right They got one here? Yeah, they got one here Yeah, they did No, this is the mega

Mega Club 11 All right, see Yeah, why did y'all Add the same thing See how much Haven't been To me, To me Club 11 is a nightclub

It's just a nightclub That's what all these fucking strip holes are now though It's a nightclub With some strip holes around it It's like certain it's allay to me. That's how sofa allows. It's not, it's not the trash.

It's like, I don't go to another show anymore. Yeah, throw that question away. I'm saying, so good. What's the place we used to go through? That's how soful color is. Yeah, yeah. You know a little bit. Yeah, I'm getting cloudy now.

Oh, I got, I got, you know what? I'm having to show you. You know, like you're your pal? Yeah. Why you act and beat? Like, it was my spot. That was your surprise. It was my father.

It was my father. I went on the chain, man. I went with him, and I was like, yo, they played this records every time we went, bro.

Tell me now. They played all our records. They played my mixtape record I just made right now. Wow. You were like, you know, and the girl was dancing her ass.

It was amazing, bro. Wow. That was the only good thing about it. Oh, shit. It's funny a lot. Yeah, go to the next one. We're dying slowly. Okay.

Joe and Jada are a million dollars with the game. Oh. Say that again? Joe and Jada or million dollars with the game? I'm... Oh, man, that's tough. You know what the problem is with that question? I'm going to say Joe and Jada.

I love the way Joe just overdoes it. I love it. You like the over does it. I love it. I love it. I know he's getting flak. They fuck with him. You don't want to believe him.

He's embracing that flag. I love it. The smartest thing he's ever done. And I love how Jada goes, who are they? And then he's like, they. Like, you know,

like, he just asked him that Red Man was the most underground artist. And I love how Jada responds. I love that shit. That's dope. Joe and Jada got his on smash. I don't go Joe and Jada.

Okay. Do you make some noise with Joe and Jada too? Of course. Yeah. But makes the noise for men's not. All the worth of the game.

Yeah. All right. Clips are EPMD. This is very generational. Not really. Who? Kind of a sort. The clips?

A clips. Or EPMD. It's two different worlds, man. It is. It is. But not really. It's kind of. I can see the comparison.

I get it. They made this. I get it. I get it. It's just. From my era, I got to go to EPM. P&D. I like it.

Even though Clips is for my era, I guess. I guess I'm going to have to go with P&D because they got some classics that, you know. It's my thing. But the clips are making their own classic right now. They are. They are. This guy puts the butt every time. I'm not trying to be a dick.

No, no, I'm saying. Because I see the comparison. Like, actually, I never like their but I like this comparison. Right. It is a good comparison. It's a good one. Yeah. Definitely a good one. All right.

Fat Joe Rick Ross. Ooh, ow. Ouch. You're going to drink. I like these dudes. Damn. For us. Hello.

Hello. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. So you said both, not neither, right? That's why we drank. No, no. You could see.

We could drink on either of those. Okay. Rock Friday or Rockafo? Aye Aye Yai Lee Fuck

That's a hard one What we got X Eve Dragon L-O-X You know that Verses with the locks A dipset

Walk a lot of motherfuckers How much the locks had Yeah No for sure I was dead That shit was in the building Oh, that must have been classic I ain't gonna lie

I didn't know that Yeah, bro You didn't know You didn't know it would be that crazy You would think Oh, this said Especially when Was it

When Santana was like Yo, you got another Did it feel that? No, no, no, listen Y'all don't got Grammys But did it feel that way in the building That it was a landslide

In that way? Everybody in the building didn't expect that that much That's what I'm trying to get at That's what I'm trying to get at That day That was going to bring more Yes

Everybody's worth it And then that day That day you learned That day you learned What the fuck the locks had You learned that they WOWF, whoa Deep locks

Whoa It looked like they actually Were practice for that joint With their DJ technician Oh technician The DJ The DJ Honestly the DJ

The DJ was The DJ was instrumental Like he was switching Right Like, you shot the technician. Yo, technician brought it, bro. Like, not to take away from Dipset DJ. It's just, it looked like they really went.

The DJ was instrumental. I think Dipsa had three different DJs. I think Santana had the DJ. I think that would have been, that would have been difficult. Blocks had one DJ. Yeah. It looked like they really, really. But that day you learned the catalog, you're like, oh shit, you forget that.

You forgot that shit. You're all Grammys. You want to talk Grammys? You want to talk songs for girls? Pa, pa, pa, Toma, Toma. Yeah. Anyway, back to Rockefeller and, and, um, Rough Fridays.

So who did you pick? I'm going to say Rockefeller. I don't matter what the fuck we were talking about. He said, fuck that shit, man. Rockefeller. This is the last one. Then we get back to the interview. He said what?

Rockfather, too. Okay. Loyalty or respect? I've heard this before. I'm gonna go with loyalty. I'm gonna respect. Why? Because you could claim you loyal, but if you don't got no respect for me.

And why not both? I just want both, but I'm not drinking on the show. No, no, no, no. This is the only time I say we should drink is... So why would you say both? I think both is always... It should be the natural answer, but some people have a strong opinion on one or the other.

Right. Like, I'll give you a perfect example, and I'm going to keep it a buck on the show. I don't get for a fuck. All right. There's a couple of DJs in my crew who switch sides, right? Who left for whatever reason, because maybe I helped them.

I didn't help him. So in my mind, I would think, yo, I want them to be loyal. And if they leave it, they're not respect to me. So.

So you think that's an example of both being wrong? I mean, definitely, man, because at the end of the day, it's like, they didn't respect them. They wouldn't move stupid.

And that was not loyal. Right. Wow. How's deep? Warning. And that's why I could, see the misconstrues opinions about when

Vetterler lost his job and I took it or when Camillo took my job supposedly because it's perception as people's perceptions as opposed to the truth. Yeah, right. Perception is never reality. No.

Like perception is like now, like they're saying, like that day, like kind of like like, like when he, I guess that's what he was trying to say by saying, Snake 1 and Snake 2. was like, like, yo, bro, wasn't me, like. Right. That's his perception of what snake one, snake two, and snake three.

You think that was his honest perception of that, though? No, I think it's him changing the narrative, straight up, making it his story. Because that wasn't the fucking facts. That's it. That was, and then he changed it to his narrative. But prior to that, you guys were cool. I mean, I don't know if he was still cool. I'm cool with everybody, man.

I'm cool with everybody. Like, if you're going to see each other, this one will love. It's different now. It's, it's, I ain't got time for this. I'm going to, I got two kids in a dog. And companies to run and you're out of time. You're out of that. Right?

Facts. I have so fucking looted. Well, um, I know I asked this early in a different way. But were you shocked? Like, because of your relationship prior to that, that he would say something like that about you publicly? I wasn't shocked because at that point... And y'all still on a station.

It's like you're still there. Like, at some point... And was it obvious and it was you? I don't know. Did I mean... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's hands down, you know. Was it...

Are we just ignorant that we don't know what Stink... No, no, because he said the people in your room and the people in his room, other than people that was working there were Camelo and Juski. So it was obvious. Because you knew that. You knew that.

If you do the math, it's only me or some. That's it. So, yeah. And I wasn't shocked because looking at the history, the way this guy moves, he has beef with the whole world. So I wasn't so far. It's our turn. I don't know. The fuck.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? So I wasn't shocked. Can we leave this whole world? Wait, one second. I want to leave this fucking bullshit. No, no, no, I just, listen, this is, as me being a New Yorker, at some point, either one of y'all think that y'all just pick up the phone and, like, talk, or you think

it's beyond that point? Like I said before, I'm not an asshole. I know I'm a better guy. Maybe we'll talk, but not right now. let the dust settle it's still dusty out here relax right right

let it settle yeah okay now I'm switch it up but the million other question

if power 105 I've caught you right now and say enough I got the afternoons

open for you buddy let you can yeah yeah yeah I don't know, man.

You don't know? As long as my man is happy. I really don't know. It's all about that. At this point, I've learned my lesson. And I don't know if I could give my so much time to another, it's just another station. So I think I'd rather give more time to the heavy hitters. I'd rather give more time to your foundation.

And then the things that are going to benefit me directly. Absolutely. I would love to see Angie Martinez again. but I don't know if that's the best thing for me we might be way past that time already the thing is the thing as a DJ too you also got to be happy what the fuck you're doing you know um you gotta be happy playing the music you love

listen you ask me yo you don't get tired of this you go nightclub shit no I don't I love this shit let's go what if somebody comes out well we in town in Miami and they call me yeah let's go nobody rock you gotta love what you do right as a DJ you know a DJ plays their heart out, the best when they play in the music, they fucking love.

Right. Right. That's the point, though. That's that they love. That they love. Right. That's it. You know, so if he says, yeah, I want to do this, I'm going to do it with your heart. That's how you win. You got to love it. We got this far because we did it with our hearts.

That's facts. I like what you just said. I like that. You did it with our hearts. I'm running with it. A lot of shit, you know, this is business. Yeah, no doubt. You have to play the role. They have to play the fucking radio roll cool and you have to give them okay 50% ha 50% Camillo 50% enough 50% 107 and and that's why it works because you're still yourself the minute you start being forced to be something you're not that's that's the beginning of the end right there no you're

losing that's it that's it this is why we've been rocking so long and we're still here so I'm gonna ask you Camillo you still there Sorry, sorry. You rocking. The boss is to see you. They're hearing you. Go to the clubs. And then they say, man,

do you want Funk Flex spot? Spot? Yeah. And then he's the real snake? If the bosses call me and say, do you want FunkFlex spot? I ain't told him to say that. Okay.

The question is, the question is, The question is if the bosses call me and say if I want a homeboy spot. I mean, homeboy spot at the caramore is what I used to do anyway. Five o'clock. So, yeah, it's prime time. I've been doing prime time four to six for the past 10 years. But he got, so now he got five to 11, right? That's 11.

Yeah. He used to have seven to 10. Right. Right? So, no? Seven at midnight. Seven at midnight? Yeah.

Okay. Correct. All right. So, I mean, listen, man, I don't know. Lots going on. I don't know. I'm still happy when I'm at. I'm getting fucked up.

I'm still, I'm at 4 o'clock. I'm a happy man. I'm happy working when Ness has worked out very well. I salute her. She's professional. Facts. You know, and she worked. Like, I got it.

Telling people, 4 to 5 every day, high 97? Four to five every day commercial free. Not one commercial on one, four. Hour Street. Two, two, three, 97, 97. That's it. There you already know, you know the number. Oh, my God, sad.

And I salute the girl because she works hard. And we're a good combo, and I'm happy. I've been happy, and I was never disgruntled. To this day, I'm not disgruntled. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're all right, bro. Thanks. I had this, like, overwhelming sensation.

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on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get, your podcasts. If you could change anything in this process, what would you change? I know you say you would leave. What process? Like the process of, you know...

You mean leaving? Yeah, everything. Like, I know you say one thing earlier, you say you felt like you should have left out than they said earlier. Yeah. But name something else that if you could change, like yourself,

like, what would you change? Sometimes, and this is real talk, and it hurts. But sometimes you give so much that you spread yourself thin by giving so much. And sometimes when you give so much, you take away from yourself. So sometimes maybe I gave away too much. You know what I mean?

So how did he say that way? No. To anybody, my friends, my family, my boys, my heavy of this, whoever. Sometimes you give so much because you love and you want to see people win. But then sometimes because you do that, you give in away some of yourself. Take it away from yourself. Yeah, from yourself. And I think that's what Flex doesn't like about me.

He felt that's where maybe he felt. that's where maybe he feels like I've given up because I'm giving to them so much because I'm giving to this guy so much so easily like it's nothing where like they want to fight for their position

and what's that mentality the king of the hill and you're trying to come up to hill they get kicked down every time they want that so that's the only thing maybe maybe a little bit maybe I overgave

no bro you can't say that man if you overgave that's a positive I think it's a positive thing? That's a net positive. Yeah. That's a net positive. Listen. Listen.

Let me say something. I know that he doesn't remember this. But you were the first DJ to, well, the only DJ in New York to ever play a record that I put out. It was called the Alliance Spanish Fly. Shout out to Ebony Underwood that connected us. I remember Ebony, yes. She connected us. And you played one of our records, man.

I can't tell you that? I believe that whatever you're doing, you do it from the heart. This is true. And you're inspiring people when you do it. Maybe what you play one record, it doesn't mean nothing in that one record played. But it reverberates. Right. And in them feeling positive and like inspire like, yo, holy shit, enough played my record.

Another thing that enough, you say he gave so much. I could sit here with a list, Laura Stiles. Bulls, Cast 1, Pro-style. He all gave him a chance. You look at all of them. They're all on radio

to this day. Yeah. Because of this man. Camillo, because of this man. Yeah, don't under, right. You know what I'm saying? The other day,

the other day, Cadets says some beautiful shit. He said, enough was the first one to play, what was the record? Taking over.

Taking over. On hot. He was the first one. Let's highlight Khalid, Big Dog Pitbull. Right. Let's highlight that just to make sure that it's understood. Right. And he was the first one to touch it and keep touching it and playing it.

And then the beautiful thing that Callis said is unity is so important. He goes, all I want after all of this is us to be in my backyard barbecueing, the guys that I came up with. You know, it's like, motherfuckers forget that mentality. Like, it's not, there's nothing wrong with having unity. There's nothing wrong with holding each other down. This guy opened so many doors for so many people to this day. I mean, the list goes on. I got a long list.

But it's like, enough. Learn from Red Alert, bro. That's it. Enough. You know, Red Alert is a class act, bro. Of course. He's a class act. You know, enough was the first one to see Fellie Fell in L.A.

Yeah, Fellie Phil's a fucking legend, man. Legend. You know, Faris in Chicago. You know, I saw, I learned from here. I saw who was, Mr. Maria said, yo, we got. try to put Mr. Maricio down. I remember that, yeah. He's one of us.

Fucking legend. Legend in Miami. You know what I'm saying? And I learned from him. See how that she works? We put in Tice down. I mean, yeah, exactly. We fast forward, putting Tice down.

E. Feezy. You know what I'm saying? Listen. It all comes from that energy. And that energy reciprocates. So, you know, a lot of motherfuckers we don't have a job if it wasn't for E giving so much. And it's a beautiful thing, man.

Now, let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk reggaeton, right? It's all your fault. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to think so. But I remember it felt like it was like us against the world, right?

Like I would go to Puerto Rico. I would hear these records. I would come back home. People would like laugh at me. I'd be like, yo, play that. The Spanish reggae shit, because I didn't know what it was called. I don't know if it happened. I don't know if it happened.

That's what it really was. Yeah, I really was like, yo, the Spanish reggae shit. It would be in rumbas, had Tess Move, play that shit. When I go, then I remember me actually, like, actually trying a record. Like, I was like, yo, I was telling other DJs, and they just wouldn't play the shit. Nope. And, um, so I don't know if you remember, but if you listen to Oyamikando, I shot both of y'all out. Ohi Mikando.

I came to the video. You were in the video. I can't see the video. Shout to Lex, because he's doing that grandfell hotel. They said, yo, they shoot the video. I said, what? But, but, but, um, how did that feel like? Because, like, right now, I'm going, I go to Puerto Rico tomorrow, right?

So obviously, I have to stop at Bad Bunny concert. But it's my birthday, um, on Saturday? You have to. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. You still have to. You don't know what I'm trying to say, but, you know, I'm there. I'm there already.

But what I'm saying is We think about it like Thank you, Jamie I don't want to say a start I'm saying in America Because everyone knew Like I remember when Dego had that drink

To do do do do do do do do do Everyone thought he was Dominican All the Dominican And I remember like And me trying this record And I tried it just for the Puerto Riga Day parade And that shit went from spin is the spins and spins but how did it feel like to see like a new genre of music

like filtered in and at first the station was like no and then they got behind oi-mikando for the first time and that shit was like the number one like how did it feel i mean not oi-mikana i don't want to limit it to oi-mikando but in general i'm saying in general like them embracing reggae though now i listen listen to the hot it's like every fifth record is a fucking well it's tons of change it's He wants to answer that. All I know is this, and I didn't realize this. I think there's that internal racism shit still going around in the world where, like, the light skin blacks, the dark skin blacks,

that same racism and that perception still lives within the Spanish culture. Wow. I don't go fuck you're Jamaican. No, it's colonial. Or it's a colonial, that shit. Yeah, that's what it is. When Bad Bunny's first few records started to get played on Hot 97, we were playing them shits way more than an Omega.

Yeah, that's a fact. My man. It's a Spanish station. The biggest in the city, and you're not playing Bad Bunny? Wow. And then Hot 97's with a hip-hop station is playing Bad Bunny more than y'all. Like, Tita me put it. What does that mean?

Yeah, yeah. That makes no sense to me. Right. It's almost like, in. In the very beginning of... I'm going to take a shot for that. Radio. For y'all.

Yeah. When the black programmers didn't program hip-hop. Right. You had a way so the white boys came over on Hot 97 and gave it the green light. And then the black guys are mad calling us the plantation station. Wow. Oh, shit. But the plantation station was the one that fucking made it legendary for the whole entire world.

Wow. Wow. It's, yo, sometimes there's that. internal racism shit. It's that little thing in your ear, like when your grandmother tells me, my grandmother says, why are you playing this music? Why are you not playing salsa? Why are you not playing mega meringue gang?

Right. That'd be funny. Yeah, but I grew up wanting to hear boom bap hip hop, electronic hip hop, Africa Bambata, you know, with Zulu beats and all that shit was

game changing for me. as an artist I mean as a DJ When you ask As an artist is correct as well When you ask Yeah I know I forget that But when you ask me about public enemy

And who's my favorite group This is the appreciation level And I explain this a few times But I would be at my house At 2 in the morning Sneaking out to the living room To put on some headphones That my dad had

And put the radio on so I could hear a public enemy on the radio. And when I heard them, they scared this shit out of me because I didn't understand what political power. I didn't understand before that. But I didn't understand what political rap

was. Right. So when they were talking to shit, I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. And then NWA was ill too. They're the same thing. I always think the same thing on different spectrum. They are. Yeah.

When NWA was fucking, and it was 80, 88? Yo, bro, every fucking car in the hood was playing NWA. It wasn't a West Coast, East Coat thing. It was the fucking hot thing. With that race...

For me, for the Oje Mikanto, like, that era, it was a no-brainer. Like, we're from New York, you know, regitone was already popping. You jump on it. All right. Big Mado from Queens,

I'm from. That's right. You know, people, it was. A no-brainer. And it was just, for me, it was just, no question. Right. You know, I got punished for that. Were you early on regattano as a hip-hop detail?

100%. Yeah, he was. Well, you got punished for that. What do you mean? I got punished for that because... It was not on the playlist. I used to push it a lot. Right.

And they're like, yo, why are y'all playing that so much? Right. When is it, this is just a fad. Even pit bull, they used to make fun of him. They used to call me Mr. Pitbull. Because I used to play him so much. But, yo, I, this guy's on fucking. how can you not

you know y'all they used to tear regettons a fad used to be like this is going to end when is this over that's why that's why like although I have nothing to do with the bad buddy concert at all

like I'm claiming it like me I claim it like yo listen I'm not doing now you should claim it you should claim some of it yeah yeah yeah like not all of it but you put that scene on this side on this side

on the American side And who's that motherfucker Yeah, it would have taken on the other than this side. He said about his dick, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. But if it wasn't for that, you don't know how. It would eventually took off, but. Yeah, it would have took off anyway, but the first. Reggae Thorn Records ever added Hot 97 is me.

First time it's performing a source award is me. First time it's added to MTV, me. First time added to BET is me. To KTU. You know what I can keep going. But, you know, when something like that is new, it's going to be tested and hated, hip hip-hop got hated, right? No more hip-hop got fucking hated.

And that got hated because it was new to a lot of people. And they didn't understand. They didn't get it. Yep. Fast forward to 2025. Look at this. Everybody. Yeah.

And that's just what it is. Well, look, it got better. Oh, my God. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. It got better. It evolved. It evolved.

Because the original. Originally, I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, because the beats changed, it got more progressive. It changed, it changed, and it got more creative. It sounds like juggerna. I was not feeling like I was on originally. A lot of people weren't because it's the same beat. For Latinos.

No, no, no. For Latinos. Right. Latinos and hip-hop, I thought it was taking us back. Right. That shit made us a whole lot better. We went from the guns. It needed evolution, man.

It needed evolution. You need to grow. That's all that happened. I hear you bowled. You took off to a bucket hat and the timblins and the camouflage wear and you got like a sun palm tree. You got like a palm tree. Yeah, yeah, it changed up. Those are the best times of mine.

You got sandals and shorts on now. Oh, me can't. I never forget Mr. C coming up to me. You all I need that song, man, that song. I was playing one time the Copacabana and he came We were bad on us

on 57th or 34th? 34th okay and he came and he saw that reaction yo boy boy boy he saw that fucking crowd the next day on Friday

I need that record that record you played you know oh oh he was just singing it out and I was like I got you and that's one thing Mr. Cesar said

always used to be No he was on him I need this I need that I need that is this rocking is this not rock shit I throw this away like he was on it

But, you know, it's a beautiful thing about a DJ. Like, somebody that loves what they do. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's why he was a legend. That, Mr. C-Doo was a very, very powerful and dangerous DJ. And unique. A lot of people were scared to play after him.

I hate to play after him. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, I got to work hard now. But he was a tough motherfucker. Love you, boy. Is it true? Like, if you, if you, if you, like, if you're the headliner, you could tell the opener not to play

a certain record. Yeah. You could do that. But why? It's etiquette. Because you want to say the headliner needs to shine. You'll get pissed if the... Not only that, you also have to think about the party itself. When you're rocking a place, you want this shit to last for four hours.

And you don't want... You want to build the shit up to be exciting. You know what I'm saying? So you're not playing a half fucking record at midnight because it's supposed to turn up at two in the morning. You know, you know what I'm saying? That's just the old

school. Nowadays, this shit is going to go to the fucking place. Right, but respectfully if there's a headline that you don't, you let him do what he does best and you can't do that. Play the world. And it's the night of the flow. And then the other thing is

it's business too. You have to keep those motherfuckers there all night spending money. If you can turn up too early, they get to jump too early, they're out the door. It's just DJ etiquette. Right. DJ etiquette, man. That's it. I remember you used to call you.

yourself, the International Club game. Yo, I gave him that name. I don't know what he said. I gave him that name. I'll drink to that. No, but I'm going to be honest. I've been to a lot of your parties, and it is international. Like I said before, I like to play a little bit of everything,

which is the beauty of a party. Like, when you get, there's some nights that you just play, have to play ratchet hip-hop, but there's some other nights, those best parties is when you can tap into a little bit of everything. Reggae. You take them in real look. Reggae.

Fucking house. Hip pop. Old school shit. Then both. Wait, there's new house? Does you know? I just know, girl,

a house, you. That's it. Nah, nah, no, when I say house, I'm talking about it.

I'm fucking, I'm fucking, you know, about it. Norri, there's a thing called Afro house right now. Afro house.

Awro house. Oh, that's crazy. Me. You fuck him up. Afro house. I just play hooking the house music only. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you take those braids out right now and put a little Afro on,

you get your Afro house on. Okay, I'm going to take a shot to that. Hold on, this is empty. Take a shot to that. I don't like your shots. Oh, this shit's getting me nice. We got to cut this interview off soon. Yeah, yeah, we're good.

Now, we're doing two point five seconds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, enough, man, listen. One million percent. You have everything to do with my career. Yes, sir. Which means you got everything to do what we built right here.

You've been trying to get you here to give you your flowers a long time ago. I don't want you to feel like that we, like, you know, we tapped in and went so hard is because of what happened. You've been deserve your flowers. You've been deserved this love.

You've been deserved. I know, you've been trying to get me since 2018. That's right. I remember. You know, to hear these stories and hear, like, you know, you put in, you know, your people in front of you, it's inspiring. It's something that I do a lot, but it's something like, it's more inspiring to hear it, you know, come from a DJ perspective. Like, you know, even my DJ, that's been my DJ for 20 years. And he said, the only two times I've been on Hot 97 is when DJ enough.

Thank you for that. And when DJ enough. That's a primary. I'm sorry to pay you off, but that's a prime example what this man would do. I don't know, remember, because you do so much for everybody. Yo, guys, thank you. Heavy hitter right here.

Heavy hitter. Warning. All right, bitch. That's a heavy hitter. But that's a prime example. How much? That's how it starts. Yeah.

So I just want to say that, you know what I'm saying? You know that, right? It reminds me of what I'm doing. It reminds me of what I'm doing in my side life, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, you know what? Sometimes it's like that. Sometimes you've got to put something before you, you know what I'm saying, in order for you to move forward.

And, you know, it was crazy because we're sitting around and I'm like, there's no better guess, man. We need, we need, we need Mr. Enough out here. You know what I'm saying? We need to give you your flowers because, one, it's long overdue. Two, we wanted to know your side of the story. We didn't want to just base it on a side interview with, you know, TMZ. And then, you know, you got this side and this side.

And, you know, I basically mess with all sides, you know, I ain't mad at anybody. And I know that. We don't want no beef or nothing. I know this is not no beef. We just want to continue, spread the love the way we've been. The way we love you. This is a safe zone.

I know this. So that's what, but it's more about giving you your flowers more than it's about investigating your situation. Your situation, you know, we get it. We understand it. Anybody can Google it and see that. But that's not it. what is it is

you gave hip hop so much thank you brother personally you gave me so much you gave joe so much you gave college so much that's why it was easy for when they said you know in 30 seconds

we're gonna put together something for you enough and everyone came out to you so I want to salute you face to face man to man you know out of eye and let you know

that what you've done for me personally you know I know I know if there's been times I've been you know you know I'll land and be like, yo, I just landed, man. Please, like, what are you doing?

Like, you hit the door. And I ain't, all right, you shut the fuck up. Like, come on. And you'll play my records all the time. And I don't know if I'm doing it, I know how much other people is, is. And how much you contributed to hip-hop. Like, even Flex, I heard Flex say, man, enough was, like, the first person I seen do two or three parties in the same night. Beeline.

Yeah, you know what I'm just saying? I'm just saying, like, and now that's the tradition. So we, us, at Drink Chaps, really wanted to give you your flowers and tell you how much you mean us. Thank you, brother. And tell you how much you mean. And for what you did,

we are excited to see your next endeavor to where you're going from here. We know this is the lot over. We know this is the next step on the next level of greatness. And we can't wait to see it. So we're going to take a couple of pitches and do a drop. Oh, we got it?

Hello, we got it. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Our show is about giving people with any flowers. Yeah, yeah. I thought we were doing something up right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as you too. And, you know, we're proud of you too, man, because, like, as the Queens kid,

Like, man, you got a sneaker store. Tell them. Yeah, I got a sneaker store, all the right. I almost have a big loose shot to George. You know, I also have a... Restaurant restaurants in Queens, called Glen, one in Brooklyn, one in Williamsburg, one coming down the block in Winwood.

Let's do it. Opening up, like now. What? Heads up. With Lex? Yes, with Lex. Shout to Anthony. And then I also have two other restaurants called Moho

and Fosters Queens and Long Island and a pizza shot called Slice that I'm down with you know yeah you know I and everybody asked me yo how do you listen now I don't cook I don't cook I'm not you know I'm not I'm part owner

you have a relationship yeah yeah I would never be able to run a place to do it no it's my owner that really got to get the flowers for that because they do the day to day and I'm just down with it and I'm a partner that's it that's it that's it you know And, you know, it's like, you know, I'm trying to, trying to move out here and move for my kids. And that's it.

Besides DJing. That's for the kids, bro. That's it. And which, you know, DJing's still in my house. Like, that's the number one priority. Yo, E, this is crazy, E. Yo, well deserve, guys. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Yes. You brothers both deserve it. You both deserve it. What the flowers, man. Shout out to what the flowers, man. Thank you for the first.

That was five Who makes them Shout to them ladies They do it with the flowers That's right That's right So Before we get up out of here

Enough I'm gonna leave it to you Is it anything you have to say To your fans To the people To anybody Is it the last words Thank you honestly for an amazing run

On the radio I know you guys said bloodshed and tears but I had so much fun and it didn't even seem like I was going to work. And I think the most important thing is I was able to spread the love and give people like you a shot. Right.

Give people like you a shot. Right. Give people like you a shot. Right. Give people like you a shot. That means a lot to me. And the fact that I can do this is everything. Continue.

Continue. And that's the gist of it, you know. And now I want my son to carry the torch and take it away. So I'm, you know, I'm proud of what we're doing. Isn't your son manager, Ice Spice? No, my son's producer for Ice Spice and a few other artists. Shot to Rye USA. He just did a Chris Brown's latest single.

Wow. Which would number one already. Undefeated. Wow. Undefeited. My little guy's on fire! He's on fire! Fire.

You see how that works? His son. Right. Making his planting. Oh, that's karma, bro. Crazy hit. Great shit. That's, it's supposed to happen.

It's in the blood. Shout to him, bro. It's in the blood. Shut out, big Spanish. Big Spanish. And shot to Fat Man's School because he gave me my name. Big Spanish. Big Spanish.

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