Drink Champs - Episode 472 w/ Saigon & Buckwild

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Saigon & Buckwild! The energy is raw and authentic as Saigon opens up about his journey in hip hop, from his early grind in the mixtape circuit to his classic debut The Greatest Story Never Told, and the lessons he’s learned navigating an unforgiving industry. Buckwild, a cornerstone of the Diggin’ in the Crates crew (D.I.T.C.), breaks down his legendary production catalog, crafting timeless beats for icons like Big L, Big Pun, Fat Joe, and countless others, while also speaking on the evolution of hip hop sound over the years. Together, they share stories of their collaborations, their mutual respect, and their love for keeping real hip hop alive in an ever-changing music scene and their new album!  As always, N.O.R.E. and EFN keep the drinks flowing, the jokes cracking, and the stories spilling, giving fans a mix of laughter, gems, and never-before-heard moments. Whether it’s Saigon speaking his truth or Buckwild digging into his production vault, this episode is a celebration of artistry, survival, and legacy in hip hop. Make some noise for Saigon & Buckwild! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com   Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Every day it's New Year's Eve. It's time for drink champs. Drink up, motherfucker. Motherfucker. what a good be hoping it's what it should be it's your boy N-A-O-N-A-A-A What up is DJ E-FN

That's military crazy raw drink champs yabiyah Make some nice Now we got two legends I did not see this collaboration coming I heard the album And the album sounds exactly how I thought It was supposed to sound Thank you

Like hip hop, and I think you've got even a record that called 2000 Now. Yeah, yeah. That's what the fuck this shit sounds like. Yes, sir. It sounds like 90s now. Yes, sir. Like the 90s is now. We got one of the best producers of all times.

One of the producers that was on my first album. He got to know the very first, I wasn't even Norrie. I believe I was Capone and Noriega. Like, I believe they called us Cabone and Noriega. Like, I didn't have a Noriega by myself. And he didn't have a Capone by itself. and then we got motherfucking

one of the best lyricists in the world he's been getting money taking label's checks for a long time and we're going to get into it because he had a fight with Shaq on the shoulder

recently and we're going to get into it I'm going to start on in my world off top I want to know how to this happen what did you job record a record and just said let's keep it going

nah actually it was it was his shout to Shaw it was his cat from overseas he's just like you're my favorite rapper. Buck's my favorite producer. My dream is they had y'all do

a project. And we started to do it with him. I'm like, Buck, you with it? He said he had some money, but it was coming, it was going through this guy. What's his name? Yeah, it started. This was like 2017. He was funding it. Yeah, we funded it. This was like 2017. What's his name? Shaw.

Shaw, I was supposed to say Star. Okay, gosh. It was like, it was like 2017. So, me and Buck went in. We did a couple records. I'm like, yo, Buck, these shit is coming out fire. If son don't really got, if he really fun this project the right way. We're going to do it ourselves.

Let me, is any of those records on the album? They all are. They all, okay. That's the album. Okay. You did this album eight years ago. Good, cool.

Get the hell out of here. Get out of here. We added like two records. Right. At the end. But yeah. That's the beauty of it. Right.

Because it sounds right. Timeless. That's all, like, we got some buck. I'm like, we could still listen to this shit after the millions of times. We heard it and it still sound good. Right. We got some, you know what I'm saying? That's how I knew.

And obviously, this is independent. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It came out through Technon and Travis O'Gwen. Oh, yeah, there's distribution. Version major group. And we flew out there to meet with Tech, and them, it was like 2017. And this shit just coming out there.

You got to start putting music out. You did a deal with this shit. Oh, I'm straight music. And it goes up. And you got to finish the project? Nah, good music lasts. It's like, it's timeless. It's like, you can put it on.

And it's like, you know what? eight years from now and it's like and Norrie attes to it would be like yo if you'd drop Norrie's songs

like you know all the Ferrell songs like every Norrie song from the 90s like it's timeless yeah

yeah yeah because on what's the court came on over there on the radio when your girl was looking at oh yeah

that's right I was like this shit right here no age right here this song is timeless let me ask you Buck you know

our brother Fadjo has a great show that's happening right now, Joe and Jada. But the biggest thing about Joe is everyone says he's cappin. He was just talking about that, right?

You know him for years. You know him longer than I just talking about that. What are you? Ain't no cap. Ain't no cap. I thought you tell him to me. It's exaggeration. It's not cat.

It's a little exaggeration. Yeah. Like 10% but it's no cap. It's no cap. Yeah. But people eat it up. People be like, yo, you know what? you know, that niggas is cap and like, you know,

he's leaning into that part. Yeah, it's somebody on the internet right now that says that they're his uncle and I don't know if it is or not. And it's like, oh, you got to stop and it's like, it's so interesting. I click on it every time. And I don't want to ask him. I don't want to ask the guy. But, um, so you say

Joe is no cap. No cap, man. Okay, okay. Let's right. Hold on. We got your back over there. Well, let's get one story, though. Not all old stories. I believe 99% of them just the high school one.

Oh, yeah. He robbed the gym. I thought you, I thought you did when he went to the barbers shop. He said six years old. He went to the barbers. Nah, when he said niggas was helping him carry their shit out,

like, niggas help. He was carrying their own shit. But I believe that. Like, he said he believed. Right, right. You wasn't one of them, niggas.

No. And a hush. It's like, yo, we went to do two different schools. Right. But it's like, yo, I believe, like, you know, a lot of that. Because, like, you know, some exaggeration, like 10% is breaking the sauce. Right. To make people be like, oh, you know, he's capping.

Right. Everybody knows fat Joe was serious, dude. He's always been a serious guy. And back then, he was on some gangsters. Oh, he was a fat gangster off the rip. He's a skinny guy now. What? What the best of my arms?

Stuck up my cubs. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. He still tells that story. The niggins stuck up his cubs. You got to be a foul dude to stick up your cousin. Word. At your arm's house.

Hey, yo, come on, bro. Boy, you got to watch shit, bro. Hey, don't wait, man, don't break down on the race. That's, like, living in the Bronx, like, yo, this happens. But, like, you know, when we met. Yeah. But when we met, like, in Queens, like, yo, that was like, yo, you know, was spooky in them. Like, remember spooky?

like yo those dudes is dangerous like yo right foul right because um they've been in jail you've been in jail like you know but it's like y'all um you're bond together you know so with me and spooky like yo this is like yo this is like yo let frack is just like yo it's a blot yeah exactly exactly yeah but let me ask you um being a part of that legendary crew with D-I-T-C.

Like, how did that even come about? Huh. It started with showbiz and A-G. No, show and diamond. Show and diamond. Yeah. Show-Biz and Diamond. Before A-G was...

Yeah, before. And then Fennesse, they did Fennesse album. And with doing Fennesse's album, Fennett was signed, you know, to a wild pitch. Right, it's right. And... Well, search, right? Yeah. Yeah.

No, no, no. Not surfs, like Stu Fine. Oh, wow. They did the album for like $500. Like, Punky Technition? Yeah. Peanuts. And it's like, yo,

AG was introduced to show. Right. You know what I'm saying? And then you got showing AG and it's like he met from battling thing, battling, um, finesse. Who battle finesse? Yeah. A. G.

A.G. Okay. Okay. Who one? No, it's like, paying verses. Okay, okay, okay. You know, so, you know, I'll be like, yo, you know, let me see what you got. And that's not a play with it. And, you know, he spit and, you know, A.G. spit and, you know, back and forth. And, you know, it was like, yo, he nice. And matter of fact, everybody came, like, after, like, me, big out.

Oh, Fat Joe. Okay. Fat Joe was a... So who was the first people? It was show... You said... Diamond D. Showbiz.

Showbiz. And Lord Finesse. And Lord Finesse. Okay. And, you know, Diamond bought Fat Joe in. Okay. Before A.G?

No. We skipped over A.G. When A.G. AG is like the same time. Okay. You know? Okay. And like me, O.C., Big Al.

Big of O.C., and rest of the rest of them is like, yo, that's, you know, that's... That's history. And then Premier came down the line. Oh, Premier's like, yo, Permers is like the original. Okay. So when they did funky technician,

Premier was there? I always thought this for the Bronx thing. Like, word, yeah, yeah. Only DJs knew that shit. Like, shit. It was known. Premier used to living in the Bronx. Get the fuck out of here.

Now, this is hip-hop breaking news. So, I never knew that even. He went to the Bronx. No, he had to go to Brooklyn. No, but it's like Brooklyn, and then it's like he lived in maybe Ogden Avenue in the Bronx, and that was it. Oh, shit, I never knew that. I ain't know he's part of digging in the crates. Nah, hell no, I ain't know that.

That's crazy. And then who came up with the name? Who said, let's call this collective DITC? I think that came from, from Showing Diamond digging, you know, like finding out, oh, we're digging. Oh, yeah, we digging in the crates. And, you know, it's stuck. And legends were born. But, you know, for real, like, that's always, like, a staple where it's like, you know, we dig for records.

It's like no cap, no, you know, how you say, no rush shit. It's like they want to have the, but we want to have the best beats and the best songs. And it's like, that's what it is. He dig for crates. Yeah. Not dig for crates. Dig in crates. Oh, shit.

Get it right, buddy. I don't know. I don't know the difference. Whatever we just see, man. Legendary shit. So, boom. Let's take it to you, so. So how did you get started in this game?

I just, man, I got started in pen and penitentious. As a pick, because we know that he was locked up and it was right here. I was, yeah, I was in a jailhouse, group called Seven Up. He was like, Wu-Tang. Oh, shit. A group called Seven-up. Yeah, it was all God body. It was all God body.

That's why. Seven-up. That's fine, that group might work still to this day, right now. I was telling him, I'm like, yo, the gau's got her, the gau just was missing in the game right now. Yeah, that's really what's missing. I said that, all that's crazy. It was that whole era, too, man.

Everybody who came through that made an impact was Godbody. Make sure we get back to the beginning, because I just wanted to say something listening to this album. The one million percent, the crazy shit that I learned listen to this album and learned listening to your music is that Tupac would have been your friend. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was just listening to all your shit, knowing that we had your book. And I was like, yo, Saigon, in a crazy world,

Saigon, true life, Tupac, and I forget the two others that I named. It's like, they're gangsters, street guys, but they have none to self, and they're telling you don't, like, I'll smack you. But don't hurt your brother, man. It's funny with True Life. People don't know his name stand for The Righteous United Nose living in the fantasy environment. If you listen to True Life's music.

You hear about it. That's the street bar to him. But you actually, like, I love Cruz's music. He got records with Jay Niles together and Snoop and all this. And I'd be just looking at him sometimes like, how the fuck you don't put this out? He still don't put it out. But if you listen to like, he'd be dropping knowledge.

Yeah, it's what the whole shit was. So what I was. Puerto Rican Gar-Baldi right there. What do you think life would have been like had Tupac been alive during your error? Oh, I wish, because he had that lane open for that kind of shit. Like, people was listening to more music. It wasn't just about no real, you know, drill, tough shit, trap shit. It was more so you had to have some kind of messaging shit.

And that's what hip-hop was, man. When we grew up on hip-hop, we were listening to X-Klan and shit like that in the remote. The red, the black and the green. I think it's that little African medallion. They didn't care about jewelry. Y'all went to school talking about sissage. The teacher was like, what? I didn't know what the fuck I was saying.

We used to brag about having no gold. Black medallions, no gold. Hang it out of all. Hang it out of all. Hang it out of me. Some money, buddy, buddy, y'all. Hip-up with some black shit. Brand new being.

Brand new being. You look at poor righteous teacher and all those guys. So that's when I was looking up to them motherfuckers like, yo, even though I was in the street, D.F.I. Whaling, doing dumb shit. When I picked up a pen, I was like, You know, I'm trying to be like one of these motherfuckers. I thought I was one of the Jungle Brothers or some shit.

And they just never left. Like, so when I, as I'd evolved, I just kept, I kept happening. I had to have social commentary in my shit. And another thing that happened in jail one time. One day, because I did have the gangster shit. One day I'm in the yard. And I'm in your father. Yeah, I was in there killing the y'all thing.

I bust my gun and all this shit. So they walked up. He was like, yo, you like it here, son? Because everything you's rabbit, boss, we got your monkey ass in here. He said, you like, yo, what? I like it in here. Oh, do you like it in here? I thought you said you like your hair.

I never heard the niggas say you like your hair. And I said, you know, this is different. And I was like, hey, I'm fuck liking that shit for the birds. He was like, well, you spend everything that got you up in here. Everything you talk about is the reason you hear, right? I was like, damn, I never looked at it like that. And that made me kind of be conscious to that when I was writing rhymes. Like, you know what?

Because it's kids that look up to us. Right. Kids emulate us and they want to be like us. So I'm like, I'm going to be a little bit conscious of it. So there was a balance. Like, honestly, when I went full positive, that's what my career was. tank that's when niggas stop problem you can't go full positive now you can't you can't like you got to believe the preacher but got to see him smoke a joint like like like like you know

what I got like you can't be you can't be you can't be perfect like you know what I'm like a little twin twin twin remember this beach you know what I'm saying and Friday like I only trust it when he asked for some bud I was like all right now I trust a preacher you know what I'm funny you got to have a little bit that's why Clarence 13 X was very successful right 10x did not go to the people who were perfect you're right to the people who were was mistaken, who were mistaken. And so it's easy to fix a person who already has a mistake that you can identify

that mistake. So, you know what I mean? So that's the reason why. He used to teach niggas math with dice. So niggas thought they was gambling, but he's teaching the mathematics. Wow. Wow. Wow. So they're sitting there thinking they're gambling, but he's teaching the mathematics. That's the same. So he was using, yeah, he was using the shit that they fought with. Yeah, to really give the mathematics.

That's interesting. Was the Bronx really the city of the gods at one point? Yeah. Yeah, okay. So Joe ain't cap with that. Right, right. You know, crack him. He got a lot of shit for crack him along.

Yeah, correct. Joe's a funny nigga. But it's like, yo, you know what? They probably was calling him that because it's like, he's from God'sville. Yeah. And it's like, you know, Forrest is like, that's the name. Right. And it's like, yo, he had a rep and it's like, the rep grew bigger.

And it's like, you know, like he moved bigger and it's like yo that's it exploded you know what that right right let's make some noise for the guard crack came along hey man that's a good project that's a little story it is bro because when you put it in that perspective I can see it like you said gall body you know um Joe like Joe hung with like pistol from my block Pittsburgh yeah piss of peace from my block And which one?

Now which one? The black one or the four of the four of the corner? The Latin one. Okay. The Latin one. Yeah, but the reckless pistol, Pete, like Pete went to jail. It's like fucking, you know, in and out of jail.

It's like, yo, you know, from there, it's like, you know, they are, you know, they are like Joe. And it's like Joe saved, like, pistol. I'm saying, like, yo, he was like, yo, you know what? When Pistol came home, like, I went to the studio to see game. And I was like, yo, what's going? is like, you know, yada, yada, yada.

So, like, yo, you know what? It was dope because it's like, stay out. All right. And that was it. It's like, even though, like, he, you know, he would do things. Like, yo, this is, this is where you want to be. You know what I'm saying? And that's it.

All right. And now you're killing all the raps. Kill all the raps. Didn't you work on Sean album? Yeah. How was that like working with Sean? Sean is real cool. like he'd be by himself

Sean Yeah Okay Yeah shout to Jamal I know Jamal I know Jamal's kids from Jamal Barrow was right Yeah he was a wild kid though

He was always a little reckless I mean Yeah But all of All the known rappers Like famous Yeah from Bronx Nah not from Bronx

But New York Okay Like you Like you Like all of them famous Like yo They put in work Right

And it's like That's the thing Where it's like Now rappers would be like yo you know what I'm rapping now it's like

yo let me go put in work but it's like yeah y'all put in work supposed to put in work before that yeah

yeah yeah yeah you was cool like you're hustling backwards way backwards yeah he didn't exist

anymore I understood that I was on phone on Max B yesterday two days ago and Max we was on phone

for about an hour and a half bro like just and he like yo bro I gave you 70 I had 75 years man

he had 70 he did 17 he did 12 12 like I got eight weeks left 75 fucking years he just you know how he laughed he like can you believe that shit

so I said yo and he did eight piece before he became Maxby so he did eight years came on got on and then got caught up in that shit so God just God gave him another shot like we had him on drink champs

and I asked him I was like you think you could compete and I don't think he liked it that question but but it's an honest answer right because when you in jail, like one thing about Sean, we was just speaking about Sean.

Like, the first record, like you could tell Collet kind of rushed the record, remember, remember the guy? And you could tell that Sean had a step behind.

Like, you could tell, like, if he gave, if you waited two more weeks, probably would have been in pocket, his breath breathing, you know what I mean? And, um,

to like assimilation. Yeah. So, uh, that's the thing. What do you think about Max B? You know what? I heard some music he'd been doing in there

because he got a studio and shit in there. Yeah, he got a whole studio in the cell, bro. The nigga, he got some fire shit, bro. And he's like, I got 400 quality songs. Like, got no bullshit, not a bunch of... He's like, I got quality records. He's going to do good because people's anticipating them. But the song I heard some, great.

Like, he sounded, he didn't miss a step. He don't sound like he missed a step. You know who didn't miss a step? Who that? Bob's Cartel. Yeah, he has a killer. Yeah, he has a studio. Diggas had studios

Bob Scartel had Pro Tools He was shooting videos He had girls He had girls in the middle He had a budget in prison Recording budget Bigger You know I didn't realize how big he was

Until he was until he got out I knew he was popping But when he got out And he sold out the motherfucking Banclays and the guard I'm like, let me let you know how, I know how pause,

how big he is. Everywhere I go, people come up to me and go, Nariaga. I go, what? They go, World boss.

They're like, good job with the world boss. I'm like, all right. Like, I don't know what the fuck to say. Like, if they get straight to the point,

like, I don't really know you. Yeah. I know you know he ain't. But you interviewed the world boss. And I'd be like, okay. I'll be like,

I'll take the compliment. Fuck a world boss. Like, you're the boss of the whole fucking world. God damn. He said, fuck that. I'm the world boss. So, that's real shit. One time, I know we spoke about this, but one time.

And I love the fact that y'all speak now. But where was the actual problem of you and Mobb Deep in the SOB show? You, nigga, I can't tell you that. I went to C-T-O-N-Y. Y'all was a good boy. Yeah, I forgot you blamed to know me. What the fucking got me? He's been the same story.

I didn't want to go. I knew I had smoke with them niggas. I'm like, yo, I never seen Capone or Riega live. Niggins is like, nah, Mar-Dip is opening up. I was like, I don't give a fuck. I said, we're going to play the cut. And once y'all get off stage, I'm out of there. I'm like, while the time they're going, I'm going to be gone.

So I just wait to see them and shit. And then some fucking Peter Rosenberg was like, nah, you got to do your single. You got a single. You got to represent. I'm like, this thing with hope, right? Yeah, I'm like, you're saying the place. My nigga, you take the place for that. Trust me.

There's nothing between a nigga. The whole place I'm like, nah, this safe the place for that. It was crazy. It was crazy. We were separated. So it was dumb. And this was like the first time in New York City,

Capona Noriega's headline in Overwant. So I wasn't so bad. I was like, why y'all fighting? You're chill. Squashed this shit. I wanted to see T.O.N.W. So that's one of my favorite hip-hop songs. So let me ask you, right?

So everyone knows how that ended, right? But how did y'all initially get together and squash it? Because we was going to, before he died, we was getting on the phone. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was like, let's meet up. Because we was friends before that. A lot of people don't realize me and prodigy.

We wasn't friends, but we was, we was cordial. Yeah, it was cordial. And then the shit happened with True. That's what got me. That's what started. What did you do? True. Tried them for a verse day.

Yeah, he paid them for a verse and Prodigy used a verse on another song. Yeah. So he was like, either give me the money back or give me a new verse. Which is fair. Which is fair. And then Pete started like, Like, not picking up the phone, is it? Like, he doved up, it's shit.

I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you. Once he started dubbing him, someone was like, oh, they think I'm pussy in. What's he started saying? I was like, shit. I'm gonna tell you, rappers, we used to do that back in the days. We used to be like, we'll be in a studio session. Somebody would have a bag for us.

We didn't want to write the round real quick, so we just spit a mixtape. Y'all were infamous for that, man. And I know this because I'm a mixtape D's, so I've seen it all the time. Let me take something. I'm guilty of you, that shit. All right.

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So they start tagging him on all, like, his freestyles that he had. And I had like three or four freestyles. I was like, all of these things are just on my album. I was like, yo, I didn't freestyle at all. What the fuck? I had to have no one. I don't know. Some niggas be wasting some fire.

I'd be like, yo, I would have kept that shit for a song. You don't see a nigga rapping on the radio and the shit be better than songs and shit? Like, you should have kept that shit. You're giving away the good shit. Your shit sound like shit. They repurposed it for a song, too, though. That prodigy verse, it was dope.

It was a dope song. And you're a dog. M&G. Yeah, true. Oh, what's your life song. Oh, it was a dope record. So Pee never replaced the verse. And he stopped picking up.

At that point, he got mad when son stopped replying. Because he just kind of pretty much was like, I am, because he was like, if you want give me a new verse, because someone was like, oh, my bad, I smoke a lot. That's what Peter was probably just like, y'all be getting high. And he probably was right. Yeah, he was like, I smoke a lot for God that I even use that shit. He was like, I got you. I'm going to give you some brand new shit.

So someone was happy. He was like, let's say less. And then a couple weeks passed, your son, whatever, a couple months. And then he just stopped replying. So he said, I'm going to catch up with him. Yeah, let me take something. Boy, did he catch up with the biggest. That shit was nasty.

learning the industry, like, because you think these guys are your friends at first. You think, like, you know, what you showed, the love that you showed them, they're going to show you at that. When you actually realize that and you realize that these guys are pieces of shit sometimes, all the time. Sometimes a person would just forgot, you know what I'm saying? But, like, I can understand. So then what happened? So Trudeau finally saw them. He caught up with, um, he didn't catch P. and had he caught, like, the whole infamous mob niggas.

They caught him on Green Street Studio. Yeah. And they robbed them And they stripped Niggas naked And pistol whip Alchemist Did a lot of foul shit

Like You know what I'm saying It was a little extreme For that But you know That's how niggas Was on it You know what I'm saying

And then So I was good Because I was true Every day I'm like guilty by association Like oh That's his man Type shit

So we were bump into them Niggas And they like Yeah What's up? I'm like What's up? I'm like

You know what's shot I'm on You know what I'm saying Because I'm cool But that's my brother I'm true I know true I was a teenager

I'm like, that's my brother. So, you know what I'm saying? So one thing led to another to the point, and then they tried to say we was burning more deep CDs on the smack DVD. Yeah, I heard that. We had a stack of CDs. They shit just happened to be one of them.

So we burned everybody's shit. Like, all this shit is garbage. That's when we was doing it. Like, we kind of invented a lot of shit just on the internet now. Like, the shit niggas doing there on trolling. We were just doing it on DVDs. Right.

You know, truth to have champagne. Yeah, champagne with the rosé. And the niggas jewelry. He's the late. The niggas take pictures with the niggins and whatever. He'd be like, who want to take pictures with this niggins jewelry? Yeah, that's crazy.

A dollar, too. You're charred me in the dollar. It's a dollar to take a picture with this niggas jewelry. The shit was fucked up. So then I was guilty by association. So they was like, yeah, we're going to get you. And all right, when it happened. But there's nothing actually initially happened with y'all.

But what was it for SOBs that? Oh, them niggas got on stage while I was on stage. But nothing happened with y'all prior to that. Nah. Okay. Well, one time. One time. One time.

We was about to get it on. Okay. And one of them nicks had a hammer. And it was like, yo, we could kill you right now. I'm like, nigga,

it's a good day to die, nigga. I ain't, I ain't no coward. Like, what's up? And I was ready to go. You act sick of them all.

I was ready to go. And then, but it ain't nothing happened. So, but I knew now, that's when I knew we had a problem. Because I'm like,

I went to talk to Prodigy and his man just kind of like put his arm in front of him. Like, so I'm like, what's up with that? And Pete didn't say nothing. So I'm like, oh, maybe he don't fuck with me no more.

So from that point on, things just didn't go right. Because he affiliated you with the true life shit. So then when their niggas got on stage, I was like, fuck it. I thought they was going to beat those living. No angle lie. I'm like, I'm going to get my eyes off. I thought y'all was together. Yeah, everybody did that because they don't.

That's how close y'all were. The nigga had his hugging me. It was cool. I was like, okay. Yeah, that's what it looks like that. Because niggas don't see the tape before. before they got on stage. They started with everybody on stage.

I was up there by myself. By the time they showed the video, it was 14 motherfuckers on stage. And I'm looking around like, who are these niggas? But I keep rapping. And they're baffing to the beat. I'm thinking these niggins like this. They're like, I'm like, oh, this shit's.

And I've seen my man Prince, who I grew up with, who's Havix cousin. And I'm like, son, what is this? Like, what's going on? He's like, nah, you good, son, you good. Ain't no problems. So then I was like, oh, fuck. Maybe it is love

until it was time to get off the stage You know, the nigga yoke me up, sir All right So I was like, oh, it's popping So then we started fighting And that was dumbest shit That was some dumb Like when you could be too brave sometimes

Because had I not Had God not been with me that day They would have stomped the fucking My hole in my eyes Right Think about it when y'all was running around Right, seeing in When y' y'all was mad deep

Murder unit and all that But a nigga was too deep And would have snuffed you What would have happened to him? A nigga would probably die Like, and I thought I was going to, I was either, I was like, they were going to kill me or they're going to hurt me real bad. But one thing they're going to say is this niggas, this nigger went out.

And that's that dumb mentality. It's a super mentality. In hindsight, I wouldn't do it today. I wouldn't do that shit today. I'm saying that. But I would, if I was in my right state of mind, I'm going to be like, no, I ain't doing that. That shit. He gets shot.

He gets shot, stat, anything could have. Did y'all ever think, and I'm going to ask you? Well, thank God, nothing. Yeah, thank God. For sure. On both sides. Did you ever think that we'll have a day where we'll be talking about, Cameron and mate, excuse me, and Dame, that's crazy.

Terran, no, man. After Cameron and Jim Jones was beefing. Yeah, that's crazy. And after Jim Jones and Dane was beefing. Yeah, that's great. Now that Cam and Dame's beefing. Do you ever think that? No, Cam, like, you know.

I'm coming home to United Harlem. Right. Everybody said, everybody get a clean slate. He's stupid. Everybody get a clean slate without come on. Yeah, it's needed. He does know how to deliver a great interview. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he knows how to deliver a great interview. great entertainment. He was very entertaining. I couldn't tell. I thought they was going to scrap at one point. It looked. I'm like, you got to do something after all that talk. Me as knowing Dame and me as knowing Charlemagne, I wasn't worried at all.

Oh, you wasn't? Yeah, I wasn't worried at all. I thought they was going. I'm like, that's a little spicy. They get a little spicy with the talk. Yeah. You're like, I'll punch you in the face. They said, do it, dick.

Go to the side. You're like, yo, turn the cameras off. No, but they took pictures. together afterwards and everything. So, like, you know, Dame definitely knows he's polarizing. That's one thing I give him credit for. He gave a lot of dudes' opportunity, man.

And, um, wasn't you started Rockingfellow at one point? Nah, I was, I was going. I was going. I didn't know, I didn't know I had the opportunity until Randy Acker Tover after the fact. Like, you know, like, man, I shouldn't let you do the JD deal.

I said, what the fuck? You said, I should have let you do the Jay Goodell. I said, he said it was a jigger deal you didn't know he said you had already did the Atlantic deal I said man I kind of got out of G and rocked G and I got out of that shit I'm like yeah Jay could have made that shit go away

like that With retrospect At that time Atlantic was like direct in competition with death games And they were they were trying to like So who was in that? Because they had the whole Craig Craig

Calman Julie Greenwald Okay, okay. Mike Kaiser. The whole DeF Jam's staff. Yeah, that's why you're like, fuck Def Jam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let Jay Z do his thing over there.

And I was like, yo, son, I would have just played. We can go over here with Jay. I'm like, this shit makes sense. We got the record, but I didn't know that there was an opportunity for a deal. Because I used to be in baseline every day. All right. So it kind of seemed like I was on Rockefeller. I'd be building with Bleak and Murder and Vaughn and all the niggas every single day.

All right. So I felt like I was on a different label, it felt like I was still Rockefeller out. We do our records together. And so it was all good. It was like a family. So, you know, then when shit went south, when they left, when they left Atlantic, that's when I was like, I don't want to be here because Gene Hop left within like a year. Right.

So I'm like, I don't want to be. I don't know none of these. Was Leo there? Atlantic? Nah, Leo wasn't there. Craig was in, Craig was running this shit. Good. But they ruled an industry.

Like, when you're, um, what's the move? What's the movie? Not paper soldiers, the other one. State property. State property. State property, too. Like, they got an 80, like, when Beanie went to jail, like, I gave my $80,000 clearance from what a thug about.

And they was, like, they was beefing. And it's like, yo, you know what? He was like, yo, how are you going to tell me, you know, my producer, like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yo, he was like, yo, give it to him. Like, you know, he was like, yo, you know, beans need a favor because they got beans

in court and they got to get up all the money, you know, to pay his legal fees. And that was, that was the deal. It was like, yo, 80,000? Right. Since you had to give up? No. No, like, the clearance was

80,000. Okay, okay. You know, like a clearance, you're usually like 10, 15, 20. And it was like, oh, you know, it's an $80,000 clearance, maybe more. Yeah. It's a clear to say. Sample?

The duck of you. Oh, shit, what I talk about. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Come on, baby, it was 100 grand. And they took 100% in the publishing. Damn.

Jake I was like, but back then you don't be known. You're just like, it ain't my fucking money. Right. You don't realize. Until you get inside of recoup, until you're like, yo. When you care about recoup. Yeah, when you do records like that, like, you know, after 25 years, I'll believe 30 years, the records convert back to you.

When you do records like that, those never convert back to you. Yeah, yeah. Because you don't own and shit at all. They kept all the public. They might have wrote your rap. Yeah. They might have wrote your rap. Like the Jake Jill's band, it's like, that will push your album.

You know what I'm saying? And you can have, you know, like, booty records on the album, and it's like the one hot record, that'll make it move, you know what I'm saying? And that's what it's for. Like, sometimes it's like, you know what? I didn't play the same. or I played this sample is they took everything and it's like yo and that's it like Isaac Hayes did that with faith right um right can you produce yeah they got 85% in the

publishing damn yeah um uh what else um I don't need them Jesse Jackson took all the publishing Jesse Jackson yeah the Jesse Jackson the guy that ran for president He got a word. Jesse Jackson. You sample Jesse. Reckon, Jackie, DJ Collins, motherfucker. But,

like, I had a lot of clearances. Like, even though people don't know, like, yo, what you've done,

like, I had a lot of clearances and, like, movies and stuff. It's like, yo, it's insane.

Right. So, I was like, yo, um, Shah, you know, what it is.

Like, oh, you know, um, you know, he won 100%. All right, cool,

you know, at least I got, um, I got the other part, you know what I'm saying? Not the publishing part, but you know the sales part. So when they take 100%, you still get paid, though, right?

Oh. No? No? No? No, the producer don't get paid? It's two parts. Like, either the publishing and the master. The mechanical. Like, mechanical.

Like, I got the mechanical because it's like it was public domain. So, like, I eat, you know what I'm saying, but I didn't eat, but it's like, you know, the publishing. I think what he's asking is for just making the beat. Oh, you still get paid, like, for making it. Like, work for hire.

No. No? No. Not publishing. Like, making the big. But when you made it originally, yeah. Like, the label has to pay for the clearance of the sample, but for you to actually make the beef for that being cleared, they pay you something. Yeah, there's a lot of money.

I don't know. I don't know. You know, hey, yeah. But, Like, real, you know. For real, like, yo, I got a lot of money just doing beats like then. Right. Because it's like I was turning out beats and turning out beats and all of them still play today. Right.

You know? Let's make a look. I got a lot of shit. Like, give it on a lot of stuff. So let me just say something. Classic record. It was that, it was one era where, like, there's always like two producers, right? It's always like Primo and Pete Rock, right?

Swiss and Timberland, and then I remember there's one error. It was just Buckwild and Easy LP. Yeah. Shout out Easy LP. Shout out of the LP. LP that my main pop of a record. Which one is that? There's a record called Come Again.

Steam. Come up again. Yeah. Like, I would do a record, and then you'd be like, yo, you know what? I heard your record. I'm going to make beats. And it's like, and I,

And then he do a record. Like, I remember when Sean shit, like, yo, I heard that shit. I was like, damn, man. And that's, that's for, like, you know, the next week, you know, I went to Rob and it's like, yo, that was that. And it's like, it was like, yo, one LP, one, one book wild. One LP, one buck wild. It's like, yo, that was on fire. That was a dope era, man.

Imagine you ever did a compilation together, like A side and B side. We didn't know, like, like, rap is competition. Right, yeah. And today, no niggas, we're like, oh, you know, ain't no competition. Like, we, like, we'll be like, yo, you know what? I'm a, yo, I'm going to smash that shit. Yeah. And that's what it is.

It's like, you know, ain't on competition. Like, yo, you know, you got a record. He's don't care about the art no more, the creativity. That's the whack part about it. Like, you don't hear music no more to make you be like, yo, this is inspiring, man. I want to go, I need, you know what I mean? You don't hear that shit anymore.

It's like music is being made just to be in a media service. Exactly. Like, it's an opposite where you were on media to promote the music. Now it's like you do music to just do the media run. Exactly. That's the beauty about your album is, again, it sounds like the culture, but then it sounds like now, right? Now, I'm well aware of my.

age. We're 77, baby. I'm well aware of my age. So, like, that's the scary part for me is the reason why I kind of don't want to make music is not, not completely, but this is one of the reasons, right? It's because I don't know if I lost my air. No, or this is what I mean. Let me, let me finish. Or do I just want to hear my type of music? Because, like, because I started to sound like that old dude, like, uh, my day. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like, hold up, hold like, like, you know what I mean? So, like,

so, so, like I'm saying, like, but that's kind of inevitable. Yeah. Like, I, I walk by my son's room. And it's a lot of my son's room. And it's shit they're playing. And I'm not knocking it, but I'm just like, am I become my parents? Were. Because I'm like, you know, why are you listening to this?

One of the biggest rappers out. I don't understand. None of that shit. Like Playboy Cardi, Try listening to that shit? It ain't even like rap. It just makes noises. Hold on. I'm like, I'm like a snigger and not even rapping.

I don't know if my kids listen to Kendrick. I'm going to be honest. No, but I'm saying, do you listen to Kendrick? Oh, I listen to Kendrick and Drake. Yeah. So when you listen to Kendrick and Drake, you're like, yo, you know, you tuned in. So you got your hand on a pulse of like, you know, hip hop. There's other shit, you know, kids we listen to be like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know what that shit is. I don't know what it's from. Like, my son be like, yo, putting songs in the car, I'd be like, yo, what the fuck is that shit? The reason why I would, me personally, would appreciate some new music from you because you always had your own style.

You always did shit your way. Like, I used to be like, yo, Norrie. You know, like, nobody. The crazy shit is I always try to be in my lane, but I don't know what lane to go in this time. It's just you, but it's your lane. You know, you're letting your mind get in. You link it into you.

One million percent because it's something that I've seen Young Thug. They said to Young Thug and it was like, yo, why you ain't dropping music? And he was like, I just don't have the energy around me. And it's like, I thought of that. It's like, oh, maybe I'm scared of this generation. Maybe I'm scared to just cater to my generation. I don't know. Like 4444 was one of my favorite Jay Z's album.

And it wasn't because it was the best JZ album, but it was because it related to this time. Like, he spoke to this day and time. He didn't try to be a 20-year-old rapper. He's trying to be a grown, married, a successful businessman, and make dope raps. So that's the reason why that's one of my favorite. He stated, he did himself. Like, he did what, I'm assuming, he did the music that he wanted to do that he appreciated. I know sometimes is that enough.

That's what I'm scared of. You can't put the push on yourself to like whack shit. You know what? I made the war report for us, but I had in mind that the world was going to do it. it. But if I would have made it just for us, the world wouldn't have heard it. You know what I'm saying? Remember you about the world. Yeah, but hold on. Let me just say you something.

When I listen to the war report, I'll be like, yo, why don't fuck that people even like this shit? We were talking in Queen's slang. Like, we were talking so fucked up. You brought us in that. We in Miami. What the fuck are they talking about that, I didn't realize that too. I can listen to all y'all shit right now. And I should give me

the same feeling. Like, to me, music is about a feeling. And I still get that feeling when I look what was that shit you had I think what imam thug was on that shit? Keep it real with the nigga, keep it real with me. Remember what we're having just now? We were talking

and he was like, yo, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about because we was talking about Queensbridge. Right. So I like the thing about it is that's what's crazy about the world is sometimes you make something for your little block and that's the world, the world takes over that shit. The world takes over that shit. And the Charlotte may say he used to call

they hood Queensbridge and they was in South Carolina. Yeah, wow. They can say we call this shit, Queensbreed. But that's the beauty of doing music. Because you draw people into your world. Right. Not you'd be like, oh, you know, I'm going to make this for the niggins.

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They use WhatsApp to get the price of rice. at the market that is often 12 hours away. They're not going to be like, we don't like the terms of service, therefore we're not trading rice this season. It's an inspiring story that focuses on people as the core building blocks of the internet. Platforms exist because of the regular people on them,

and I think that's a real important story to keep repeating. I created there are no girls on the internet because the future belongs to all of us. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Listen to there are no girls on the internet on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. kidding me. No,

I don't know how to ask for friends and family. I don't know how to be that. I don't know to be that guy. You can't just did it right now.

Okay. I don't believe. Correll. You're hurting brother. Yo, but. I don't know how to ask. I don't say.

You're a Louis shit. Oh, you got to, you got to get that. No, I'll be buying my own shit. No, like you got to.

I got to get them that friends and family. Yeah. You got to get a home boy. Yeah, I got to get a home boy. And by the way, Let's make the noise for Varel for being the fucking Louis Vuitton. Yeah, man.

I always think a big line. Because it sounds like kind of cliche, but it's not. And he said, did you ever think the hip hop will take it this far? Like, the crazy shit is like, yo, bro, just seeing Farrell again, let's big up Farrell and a big up to clips. Like seeing them in Vatican, like a tear came in my eye, bro. That's just crazy, man. That's something I would never think about. Like, not only think about for me, but think about for any artist.

And then you saw the thing. You say, what's the fuck? Isn't Clips, drug dealers? Like, how do you fucking are they performing in the Vatican? What the fuck are the sisters this way? But then they're making a song and they're performing a song about their parents who passed away. And there's no curses on this song. And I'm like, I'm like, they got the drug dealers in the Vatican.

That's a fucking hard. That's like Jay doing a Super Bowl. I'm like, yeah, I want to see Jake. You know what I want to see Jay do in the Super Bowl? Just as to say everybody, kiss my ass. Because he could have been signed himself up to do it. He's out of the first.

The first one. I was the first and the first. First, third, fifth. He got enough. And I would have other people bring me out. I wouldn't even let you before. I wouldn't even let you perform,

but that's how to record with you. It's a special guest. He's a special guest. He's a special guest every other. But Jay Lee is nice because it's like, you know what? They could go do it. And he knew that he's going to kill it.

No, I'm going to be honest. I think that Brooklyn died of him. He got tired of people talking about, yo, this guy should have been on this stage and this guy. And he's like, listen, I run this shit. I run the end. And now I'm going to show you, I'll run this. Like, I think he got bickered to what they say? What's they called bickered?

Yeah. Yeah, they bickered him too much. And I think he said, okay. I'm going to show you how the crocodile bites back. You know what I mean? Because the pigeon is Chris Pickering on the cross. crocodile. You know what I'm saying?

You're picking that shit again, man. And Jay's like, hey, man. Because that's a rapper shit. Like, we got to do rapper shit. Yeah. Uh, that's right. Y' our show is about giving people their flowers where they can smell them.

It's where they can tell them. It drinks where they can drink them. And they smoke while they can smoke them. You know what I said? We want to get y'all. How do you know about the Shaq shit? Who? She would say.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, nobody knows this. All right, that's right, that's right. Check this out. This is fire, man. That's right. No doubt. Snoop said it's better than the Grammy because it's fucking people.

Yeah, no, word. This is fire, bro. So, Buck, what was your most unexpected, uninspected production? Like, someone called and wanted to work with you, and you were like, Get the fuck out of here. I got a lot of calls like that.

Okay. And that's a hard question. Okay. You know, because everybody, everybody, like, in my time, like, everybody was reaching out. And it's like, y'all didn't know. And y'all was partying and all, like having songs out. Like, everybody was calling. And, you know, I was just, oh, you know, that's that.

Nobody stands out and protect, like, who you was. like, damn. Or anybody you were nervous for to produce for. I would say probably faith because it's like I was I was doing R&B music

but it's like that's that's the record that I love you that that was that shit. You know what I'm saying because um

J-Lo wrote it. What? Really? No, come on man. J-Lo wrote it? Listen, J-Lo wrote a part of it. No, she wrote a part of it.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, feeling you're like feeling right at home. I mean, that's thinking. She don't write, she don't write all that's wrong. Like, I think the hook, like, she wrote, and it's like a couple of lines. But, um, a minimum, like, 5% or 10%, like, she wrote. So she was in the studio with that? Yeah.

Faves didn't write the song. Like, Fave's just like, yo, you know what? I'll take it. That's crazy. And, you know, she's like, oh, you know, I'll taste that. I will love. I love you. I love you.

I want you know. I even know. They don't go that, blah. Come on. Come on. Come. Come.

His discography is crazy. Yeah. No. His discography is crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. He and DJ knows. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Crazy discography, bro. No, that's crazy. What about the big records, though? And you recorded those in Bad Boy, right? Bad Boy, Daddy, like, everybody who was a big artist, I recorded with them, except for 50.

Like, 50 went off, like, you know, when Mike Tyson, like, Tyson House, like, he recorded over there. And it's like, they was like, oh, you know, this 50 record is crazy. And it's like, you know, I don't need them. It's like, when, in the 90s and 2000s, it's like, if it ain't ringing like a single, I'd be like, yo, you know what? This ain't it. But the streams and shit, you know, they show. They show like, yo, this is people's favorite record, you know?

Right. And that's crazy. All right. All right. But what about the making of Biggie records? Oh, well, Biggie. What's joints you did for big? I got a story to tell.

Ooh. I kicked clothes for you. Yeah, that was that shit. Be wanting another beat. Like, I had about seven or eight beats, and he was like, oh, you know, now you're doing shit I like. And this was right before he died. Right.

But when he said, oh, you know, I got a song. It's like, you know, I was like, okay, cool. It's like, this is the song that the locks want. And, you know. So our story to tell was for the locks. No, it was another beat, but it's like this, this was for the locks. Okay. And when I got it, like, oh, shit, you know, I was, I was bug and I was like, yo, you know what?

Yo, he's just one verse. And, you know, people was like, oh, you know, this is the hottest shit. Foxy said that shit. And I was like, yo, this is, this cool. You know what I'm saying? But you didn't realize. You didn't realize it was hard and you didn't realize he was. talking about Anthony Mason.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, actually. Rest the beach. Allegedly. Allegedly. But, you know, that was crazy.

While it's being done, man, it's like, I've done so many records. It's like, yo, and you could attest to this. Like, records fold over. And it's like,

oh, you know, this is that. It's like, this is out the window. It's like, this is on, on to the next. And that's what it is.

All right. All right. So when did you realize that this record is a classic? After it dropped? Probably like 99 or 2000. Damn. Like after... Three years after you passed.

Like after, like, you know, streaming, it's like... I started seeing everything come to fruition. It's like... Damn, it took a while for you to realize it was a classic. Yeah, because it's like... We was only like... For me, I lived in the Bronx, So it's like I would go on the porch

and I'd be like, yo, you know, count the cars that's like, you know, drive by playing my shit. And I was like, oh, you know, I just ain't hitting. And every, like, with Streetman, it's like, yo, everything came in once.

All right. You know? Wow, that's crazy. All right. So you knew Whoa was out of here because every car was playing, whoa, when that shit got. Like, whoa.

That's a bit. It's like, like, um, I've seen it. But when I seen it I was in a I forgot this

I forgot this um club but I seen Hull was like Because he like he like we gave him the beat And it's like yo Hoh had that beat first No get out of here yeah We're out of here

Like Lenny S Who's the mastermind Like yo he he took all the beats Like you know he is like oh you know what I'm gonna get this one I'm gonna get that one And it's like yo hold us for Jay hold us for bleak or

argue with the bleak and it's like nobody wanted it and you know Rob took it rest and peace man from I don't think nobody would have did it did

it was meant for him it was meant for Rob I always say that like nobody nobody would niggas would try to rap too much on that shit he left the beat

do the work when you got an artist right an artist like Jay is like oh you know what I got to figure figure out how to conquer the song.

And like O.C. O.C., like, you know, all the rappers, you know, is the same person. Like, you know, they figure out, like, yo, how to address this, so I'm saying, and that's what it is.

Right. Like, even March, it's like, you know, what Simon says, it's like, like the Godzilla sample, he, you know,

he could have spit, like, hypnotical gases and shit like that. Right. But, you know. You did Simon says as well? No. Okay.

I wish I did. Well, remember what happened with that record. Oh, yeah, they got sued. He got sued this. I think, yo, when he, when he, he brought Simon's desk to my house.

He's like, yo, you know what? Yeah, I want you to hear this record. He drove all the way to the Bronx. And, like, I just had, um, done the unbeat for whoa. And it's like, yo, he was like,

yo, tell me if this, tell me what you think of this record. And I look. And I was like, damn, man. It's like, he done it. You knew it was fire.

He produced that, too, right? No. Farrell produced He produced his own record I didn't know that I think that might be the only one he did No he didn't sue himself He might be the only one he did

But that's how you know That's how you know When he said he could have said Hypnotical gases on it He said he could have spit hypnotical gases But he didn't do it He said he did the right thing for that Yeah for that everybody

It's like a artist It's like he'll do the right beat for the right artist and it's like yo you can't spit this on this and it's like Simon says like yo that's that fit perfect nah that's a record right now that's a dope record

that record's still crazy I was on 12 of a foul March which we need on drink chance by the way 12 years ago you never did Farrow yet nah man and he taught me intermittent fasting back then 12 years ago I was like we came downstairs

at the point he lost mad way he was chubby he was chubby He lost that way. I came downstairs. This is he, this is he, he put together. Like,

like, I was talking about, like slim trim. And I'm like, yo, we're going to get something to eat. And he was like, yeah,

I ate yesterday. And we just all laughed at this. Like, yo, what the, who's the head on time. Yeah. By the way,

we're laughing. Yeah. We like, yo, what the, who the fuck says that, yo? Yeah.

I ate yesterday. Like, and 12 years later, this shit makes all the sense in the world. Hell, yeah. And by the way, you want to take the weight off. And by the way, by the way, I had read how to eat to live already.

So the fact that I laughed at him was really me laughing at myself. Like, I was like, because I, he showed me the blueprint. I knew better. Yeah. But, you know, we're overseas. We're in Germany and shit. Especially on a road. I was getting Chinese food.

I was like, I got Chinese food in Germany. I'm going to get. We went there a day before. We went to the day before and they had duck sauce. We were open. We didn't realize. You said. We realized other people had duck sauce outside of New York City.

So we were like, yo, you want to go to the next spot? We're like, nah. They got the stop at the dumpso. We'll stay in the same hotel. They got duck soles over there. He said they got dugs off. I just came with us. It was us, Aenex, Faro March.

I forget who else. But I just came with us. So I'm sorry this sounds so cliche. And I know we brushed on it earlier. But did you ever think that hip hop? make it this far? Never, man. I don't know.

Look, look, billionaires? Like, it was something for a motherfucker to make. Think about what Jay was saying 80 million, like, I'm raping Jep Jam till I'm the 100 million man. Like, he was, that was a reach. We was like, yeah, 100 million is crazy.

Yeah, that shit's peanuts. A hundred million, like, a couple of beans. Yeah, a couple of years. He's the most, he's the richest fucking. You know, it's a new thing. Yeah, that's crazy. So you told him I take it this.

This fall, we took it to the top. Fuck the Rolling Stones. Yeah. Fuck the older things. Like nobody. The Zee was funny. The niggas that take acid with some other niggas. Exactly.

MCD. All the niggins. All of them people. I'll stop saying the N-word. Me and being bleak was, me and bleak. When I did bleak podcast, we was talking about it on the scenes. And I was just like, I made a post. And I said, I think Beyonce might have surpassed Mike.

It was like the greatest entertainer ever. Like, man, I got so much heat. Oh, you got to. Mike alone. And Bleak was like, nah, he said, me and Jay had that

argument. Even Jay said, nah, you bugging. Oh, shit. Oh, my God, damn, you know,

like, maybe I didn't leave. For the family and the family was like, he got a relax. You got to relax. And I'm like,

but when you look to go back with? When you look at the consistency, though, of Beyonce's career because I went and did the fucking

Mike last app, Mike had like 12-year gaps in between his shit. But you got to count Jackson 5 when he's Right. You got to tell. Destiny Child, too.

Yeah, but no, but no. Destiny Child is already a lot. She's 15. Yeah, he's just young as one. Yeah, he's a kid. But even though still, like, Mike had these bit, like, you'd say he got three monster albums that make his career drill up the wall and what is it, dangerous? Or even bad. You can throw bad in there, right?

And this girl don't stop, man. Like, she's consistent. She doesn't turn to no cowboy out this motherfucker. That's one thing that she turned a cowboy. It's one thing that Mike got over. kind of like everybody. What's that? Make a niggas faint and shit?

Niggas be dying in Mike's shit. Mike used to have stretchers in the front. I had never seen a lot of else with 10 stretches. He originated that. He definitely did. But Mike was a Crip. Oh, yeah. You've seen that shit?

Mike was a Crip. Mike was a Crip. That was a difference. That was a difference. We had, we had DJ Quicks sit right here. And we're like, because, you know, he co-signed it, right? Yeah. Yeah, so he was walking this movie, and I'm like,

yeah, I got to ask you. And he goes, I believe this is exact words. He goes, the size he was throwing up was not blood-friendly. It was making of throwing up. And there's that rumor that he fought Park. Yo, that rumor gets bigger and bigger. But they make it sound so real.

Like that Mike just whipped his ass. Because it was messing with that. Quincy Jones. And more and more, I think about it. I just want to believe it. I just want to believe it. It would be like his granddaughter and said he said Mike won, yeah.

Had him in the phone now so that Mike said Mike he had reach, yeah, nah. You don't know, watch this is just going to pop up on your phone as soon as you leave. No, no, no, no, they're serious. I can believe Mike to fight.

The guy tells the story. I can believe it too, sir. Because they said Prince. And they said he grew up getting asswop and so they're saying, no, they're real. That's fucked back. No, for real.

They used to fight Joe. You don't learn to, you know, you get from your brothers. And all the brothers and all the brothers, not your parents. You don't learn to fight for you. And your brothers and you fight your brothers. Your brothers take them. Not your brother.

They be like, ah, you got to whip and he's ready to pop on them. Yo, Joe fucked them up. Joe fucked them up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Joe fucked them up. But Joe ain't, Joe ain't say, yo, put your hands up. No, the brothers are that. That's what I'm saying.

So Joe was like the complete ass. whipping. And the brother's like, yo, you know what? This ass would. But he's actually worth the talent. He whipped them niggas in the shape. Because them niggas is talented of the shit. You're the step again, man.

Niggins is like, what? Do that move in person again, man. Go fuck around. What was that shit? The move on. Yo, do that again. Nah, they said he would make a show. They had to get up in the middle of the night.

Like military shit. What's the one from American Idol? Ain't he a Jackson? Not American Idol. Randy? He's not a Jackson? No, he's not a Jackson. Randy Jackson?

When biz, you know, following that fucking internet. When biz was sick, somebody posted, yo, biz, rest of peace. Biz Marquis? Yeah, Biz Marquis. And somebody posted, yo, Biz, rest in peace. My dumb ass wanting to get likes real quick. Those they want to be like I got the info. What did you say, rest of the beast of the nigger?

Your rest of peace to the bids, just blaze called me immediately. He said, yo, I just got off the phone, but Bizz ain't dead, bro. Take that shit down. I feel stupid as hell. He's like, yo, you just, what the fuck you're doing? I was like, that's that internet for you. That's a crazy shit. Niggins you want to be first. Yeah.

Niggins want to be first and shit and get that, get that engagement. And they're like, oh, shit, I got some, I got some, like, with the damn dad shit. Look how many niggas is spreading that shit. Revoked shit. So I was up listening to that live. You should have called him. But that's how I knew it was a little bit of cap because he wouldn't have said I'm Cam Balls, he would have been like, I'm everybody's over there for us.

He would have threw me under the table. Put y'all. Listen, I'm expecting it. I wish y'all. Are y'all good? Are you doing with Dane? I've always been good with Dame. I've always appreciated Dame.

I always had love for Dane. We had a, we say, in exchange recently. Yeah, that's what I was saying. And then me and Ben Bleak, we all got on the phone. But what it was was, we spoke like men. We spoke like men. I told him what I didn't like. He told me what he didn't like.

We agreed to disagree because we did not, you know. Yeah, yeah. We did not, me in the middle of what we met. That's what was the problem was. I mean, that's what the solution was. And we amended ways. And then I admire what he's doing. I admire him acknowledging bleak's loyalty.

Because, you know, what it is is we have bleak on here. And then we kind of studied the algorithms of what happened. And right now, to me, I know I'm going to sound crazy. but to me like Jim Jones talking is very important to me Tony Yeo talking

is very very important to me Bleak is super important To the guy Yeah And to me It's the year of the man

That's saying next to the man It comes the man This year You know what I'm saying That's dope So um Bleak is like He's really taking on

Like Jay's whole monicure Like everybody That's saying something wrong about Jay He knows Jay's not coming out of the house And he knows he has a podcast So he knows that he can actually Deliver Address this

I'm saying this off shit Yeah Yeah Cochette came out today So what I'm trying to say is That's so smart to me Even though I gave him the blueprint And we gave him the distribution

But that part is like Bringing people into his own world That's his shit And he got a good person personality. Bleak, I'm mad personality. You're a funny guy, too. So what's your favorite part of the game, Saigon?

Is it performing? Yeah, traveling. Traveling. Seeing different parts of the world. None of us will probably see it. We wasn't rapping. You know what I'm saying? You're going to find yourself in one of them countries.

You're like, what the fuck am I? He's the only one that ever said traveling. Yeah, that's the funnest part. Yeah, that's the funest part. Everyone else says they always pick promoting and a performing, excuse me, or recording. I like traveling I mean I'd assume performing goes with the traveling part

Not really No I don't know traveling You can be like on stage You can perform anywhere But when you like me I like seeing places I'm not supposed to be here I want you I want you I'm talking about doing it

That's why I'm sitting here messed up Because now I'm traveling And I didn't realize how much I'm saying this with a grain of salt I'm saying this I didn't realize how much of a slave I was I would never enjoy these towns

I would go there perform Do their version of the Breakfast Club Do their version of Funflex Duane version of a DJ Cool And you know I know it

You didn't get to see the spot Like I've seen a part of Croatia And I was like Croatia is nice Like I've been in the foul Port of Croatia I was like

Wait a minute Like because And I was just there to work So now that I'm traveling Again And seeing the world I appreciate it so much more Like you go see it

I don't have to rush The sound chat I don't have to You know You gotta take a page From Jay Z book where it's like the reason why he flew

like bleak was talking about like yo he took like he took like he's like he take fucking days where it's like they take days

to reach their destination right Jay Z beat it in the day yeah yeah you know but it's like yo he soak up a lot of culture and it's like that's

you said I'm flying over you bus Nick's he didn't talk about us yeah it's fucked up but that's unbelievable you know I think it was talking about

about us. I believe. Yeah, man. But that traveling, yeah, seeing the world, man. Listen to me. I've never heard that. And when you just said that,

I realized that was mine. Yeah. It's because, like, right now, like, I just went to Paris and I went there to run. But I was, I was traveling. And so many people was like, y'all got a bag for you.

I got a bag for you. And I was just like, I don't want to go to the club. But I thought about it. I was like, I reached my destination already. I'm here. I'm telling. Like, I actually don't really care about going in a club and these guys don't have deodorant on and shit.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, he'll just start it in there. You guys don't have the odor on. They don't have deodorant on. No, I know everywhere. I know everywhere. Like, I know 85 foot yachts now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't know what I was in mind. I was with my people, man. We run the time. We run the time. Yeah, we run the time. Yeah. Zero. Why be a zero when you get with this hero?

Let's do this. You know what I'm that guy? Y'all got quick time? That's hilarious. That you said? I'm not. No, no, yeah. We just take a sip whatever, man.

Okay. All right, guys, we're going to do quick time with slime. Oh, really? This is the drinking game. We'll drink water. Yeah, you can sip it. I'm drinking. We'll give you two choices.

He'll drink. Look, bug, we're going to give you two choices. Pick one, and we're not drinking. Say both or neither, and we're drinking. Yeah. But just give us some. stories and, you know, we just want to bring up people in places.

All right. Pock or Easy E? Pock. That's all I'm going to. Easy. Easy's the godfather. Yeah, he is. He is like, yo, he started the shit.

It's true. Yeah, yeah. He started a lot. What do you start? What do you start? Think of the tree, the tree of people's record. Yo, Saigon. Let me just tell you how L, EZ is.

I know, no, I know. It even reaches pot, though. That tree reaches pot. Yeah, for sure. I've been listening to this album and I never really caught it. Easy E said on his shit. He said, Ice Cube, write the rhymes that I say. Crazy.

Holy shit. I interview Ice Cube and I ask the man. And then if you look at the credits, I don't think Ice Cube name is on there. He literally said Ice Cube write the rhyme. Yeah. And it's easy credited for the radio. Okay, that's okay. Holy shit.

Jerry Heller shit. I'm sorry, who's Jerry Heller shit? Jerry He got off what you want to say something? Okay, he said Easy. Yeah, easy. Yeah. Why? Yo, because, like, easy's the God.

Like, no I'm saying? It's like, Pock is like a worker. Like, he, like, he, like, he commanded, like, you know, he taught dingers, you know what I'm saying? Like, he wrote, like, he ain't right, but it's like, he commanded, like, oh, you know, write the song. And it's like, you know, and that's sad. Like, yo, you know. He was a dude. And what's crazy is I believed easy more than all of them.

Oh, yeah. Not even knowing that someone else was writing this shit. He was the one. He was the one. I guess his delivery was like, you could tell, like it's intense. You could tell it it came from him. And I feel Park would say easy. Yeah.

I don't know, man. You know what I can't give it to eat. Because once they left easy, yeah, he went to sign on Bone Thugs and Harmony. So he kept his career, the business part of it. But his music is. that. Who did I have to that? He needed Dr. Drake.

What was that one record? 187 killer What was that the disc record? The whole EP was kind of dope. He even had a dope as Christmas record. Yo, when he went to the White House and all, I'm like, who in fucking this nigga?

That was hard, man. But I'm like, first thing ain't going to go to White House. First thing ain't going to do like almost everything. Get the letter from the FBI. And he did the first ones to get arrested on stage?

Yeah. Yeah. Now, that was M.C. Gusto. Oh, my Gustle. Oh, my balls. Which was mimicking NWA. Yeah, NWA. Oh, yeah, that shit was crazy.

Look, Chris Rock was disrespectful for that. Yeah. He was blatant with it, too. M.C. Gusto. That's just crazy. CB4 is crazy. That's one of my favorite movies, bro. Because it makes more sense now.

It does. It does. Yeah, when you're in hindsight. The rest of the piece is pocket and easy, by the way. Diamond D or Lord Finesse. Oh, that's a hard one, though. Is a producer? However.

No, I'm saying it's a producer. No, this is whatever you feel in your mind. As a producer, Lord Finesse. Get out of here, Over Diamond D? Yo. Were? And they both rhyme, too. So let's see what he's going to say.

I know, but over Diamond. Like, yo, um, he's meticulous with beasts. And, yo, they come out crazy. And Diamond is like, Yo, meticulous was songs. Like, he made dope songs. Right. So, for song, is a rapper.

It's Diamond. What? Right. And it's, um... I would have never guessed that. Yeah, because it's like, yo, Diamond D's a better rap than law for this? Yeah, because I... What, though?

What? But, a artist, like, yo, an artist, like, the person who spits in stage show, like, Diamond D is flawless. Right. You know, Diamond don't have... It's his first album, class. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. Class.

And finesse, the beats, fucking, um... I would have reversed that. Yo, uh, not, not sorry to tell. Um, suicidal thoughts. The Dr. Dre beat, you know, and it's, it's on and on. And it's like, you don't know where it's like, you know, he's going to end up, but it's like, he, like, they both dope, but it's like, finesse is that dude. It's like, he got an extra, he got an extra, um, where it's like,

You know, it's, it's, you know, you know, we got to respect them because most people would have said easily, both of them or not answered. Oh, yeah, for him. He's so close to him, and he, he, he possibly knows better. He knows more, yeah, he knows better. But I'll say you this, I would have never, I've never seen a person put together syllables and punch lines like the way Lord Finness. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, Lord Finesse can start, like at the first ball and then he can make that first ball makes sense On a knife ball. He's dope. But Diamond is the rapper. The rapper's rapper. He banks the songs and makes the... I would think he's the producer, you know. He's a dope producer, but it's like, he's the rapper rapper.

He's like, you know, he's dope at doing beats. He's like, he can make like classics, you know, that's that shit. And it's like, you know, a bunch of other songs. Right, like more anthem. You know, but it's like... Pheness is like, yo, you know what? He, like, he puts those hits together. You know, and it's like, he'll be like, yo, you know what, I'm in?

Like, I would do this, this way. It's like, I would do this this way. Oh, shit. Well, we, nobody better to ask. Yeah, I ain't arguing. I ain't arguing with you either. I would have definitely thought Fennesse. Yeah.

You would have said Fennesse as an MC. That's, that's interesting. Fenez is an ill producer. Like, yo, people sleep on Finesse. Like, that's the only person's like, yo, he had everything that I thought. I don't think people sleep on Fennesse. I think that he said sleep as a producer. I think he's what he means.

Okay, as a producer. But I don't think people as he put on him as a producer. I think that his skills as an MC is so much at the forefront. A lot of people get, and so ahead of his time. A lot of people don't remember or they forget.

They forget that he's a producer. People don't know. It's like, yo, if MC skills and producer skills, like, yo, I will go with the producer first because it's like, yo, he makes those hit records.

And you know, like when Channel 10, it's like, yo he bodyed that and it's like yo I'd be like yo how the fuck he did that shit you know and that's that

all right big L or Biggie both of y'all get answered I'm drinking I'm a big I'm a huge big L fan Me too

Big L because of the bars right right and Biggie because of the hit records no and the bars no I'm saying because like

He'll make you dance He'll make you... Right, right. You are big? Big, yeah. Yeah, big. You know, that's his key. You know what I'm saying?

He'll make the hot album be like, yo, you know what? I'm listening to this from one to... But he also had Diddy, man. Like, Diddy... One thing about Diddy, did he made everybody sound extra good. No, no, no, no.

He made G-Dep sound great. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to sound better than you. Diddy would, like, pick the beat. No what I'm saying? song it's like oh you know that's dope we're gonna run with this shit but it's after every everybody done the whole the whole album but it's like he gets credible like oh you know did he did the album you know he didn't do the album he picked the single right you know but the person who's like

yo being in bad boy like sometimes like yo they'll um let whoever be like yo do to your song Oh, you know, I'm going to pick the single. Oh, yeah, that's... When Rob, um, when Diddy pick Rob Joy, he was like, yo, oh, we're ready to go. You ready to go, you know, the video and all. And it's like, that's all. But I, you think about it. Look at every artist after they stop fucking with Diddy, how they music.

R&B as well, total, 112, all these groups he had faith, you name them. None of them was able to, none of them was able to maintain. Listen to the team Listen to what you're saying None of them was able to maintain The level of quality music After they left, did he? Not one individual

And who was they working with? The hitman Producers It depends Like if you don't You're gonna find where the heat is at No, it's like people When they left Bad Boy

They left, you know All together It's like They wasn't fuck with nobody And it's like That's what it is It's like When you when you can

do the hits man it's like they ain't leave bad boy and retire nigga they still trying to make hit right she wasn't landing but when you like as I said when you work it

it's a difference it's like nor we're working with Pharrell and nor reworking with you know Buck Wild and easy LP Farrell is going to

give him that fucking hit and all I'm saying it's like he's going to give him a memorable joints and you know like we'll give him an album because it's like oh you know

he told a niggas How to rhyme on Neptune's B. That's right. Niggins ain't know the fuck one. Niggins don't even think this shit was fired. And when we did,

not we, when you did what, what, that shows, it's like, yo, you got the chorus already. The story how that hook came up

was funny. He said I was counting the ball. Yeah, so I was counting the balls. This is the hook. But this is the profession of a producer, like,

a known producer like he'll he'll correct your mistakes and he'll bring it out of you and that's what it is it's like they didn't have that right

what you mean after they left Diddy? Yeah like and they won the best A&Rs ever lived You got to think even before Bad Boy this thing was doing Jodice these were some countries

I understand but it's like Oh I'll do you Oh okay Even before bad boy You got to stand He did Mary J. Blage Joseph C

Right Father MC He was showing these motherfuckers really how to dress what kind of records to do like ditties you can't take nothing away from paula the emcee is still torrent too right now yeah but like like when i'm there and it's like i i think it was like a fake big daddy cane to me i never like he came out though no he didn't you know i think he came from like i'm like yo these people i don't know no i don't think so big daddy cane was first let's let's look it look it up cane was first

Kane had to be first I believe it was a bootleg Canes I believe so I'm like Big Daddy Father MC Like nah it was a flat towel Like now this thing is trying to be Kane When I first seen his first video I was like nah I don't fuck with this

I'm sure it's close Huh Damn what are you typing bro? You were there you said Has it like once upon a time Father MC he was born Just rapping with beers and all that That shit was 86

yeah yeah okay three years see I'm saying I knew it was close I mean back then that wasn't closed but nowadays that would be closed all right so next one yeah I think it's a fall of MC still on tour MPC 3,000 or MPC 2000 XL um

the studio I prefer the studio But it's like, if we got to, if we got to go through the 2000 and the 3,000, I will go to the 2000. Okay. Okay. So let me ask. What would you, what would you prefer over those? I mean, I'm not a producer like that.

But you know how to use both machines, all right? Not at all. No? Let me ask you, Buck. Producer or beat maker? Me? Period. Yeah.

What do you prefer? producer? What's the difference between a producer and a beat maker? A beat maker just makes beats and the maker can rhyme. But a producer, like, yo, he'll sit there and it's like, he'll craft it. Like, when we do

doing CNN, I learn producing. Like, yo, you know what? I learn how to cultivate beat. Like, yo, you know what? This is how the song goes. You orchestrated. Yeah. And that's what it is. Right. So, producer is like... Like, a producer doesn't even have to be the one that makes the beat in some instances. Yeah.

Yeah, okay. And he could tell, be like, oh, you know, you play this, you play this. Right. Because it's funny, you said that, because when we was making this album, it was songs, and I hate, you know, I don't think I'm the best rapper, but I'm thinking I'm a pretty good rapper. And he would be like, nah, that ain't it. Do that, do that over. Wow. And I'm like, do the verse over?

The whole verse. The bars, everything. Yeah, all the verse. And I'm like, son, this is fire. He's like, trust me, I know your potential. I know you could do better. and a lot of producers just going to give you the beat and let you do whatever the fuck you want

and then never you never hear from the motherfucker again and he was like, nah, you gotta, I know your potential I know that it ain't, it ain't it. And I would love it. He didn't know me in the studio. Every single time he told me that, I went back and changed whatever he told me. He was mad, but sometimes I thought

my origin was better. I'm like, I had it. That shit was perfect. And he's like, nah, trust me. His songs we've done is like, you know. Yeah. This thing got me doing shit four, five. I'm like, I'm not doing this shit no more.

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listen on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts I think that's missing though right now yeah that's why I said people don't care about the creativity no more I don't want to say maybe 80s 90s that producer era yeah the producer was 90s in 2000 was the biggest ego in the room at the that time, saying this is how it has to be

done and getting the best out of the MC. At the artist. So you know, we've kind of imagine now, though, the producers are quite scared of these artists now. Like, I, he's, I'm gonna... Well, they don't give a shit. Like, fucking... Scared or don't get a shit. I'm just giving me the bag. Get the money. Get my money. So let me ask

you. Just blaze or Buckewile? Oh, shit. Just blaze. Dang. That's great. I say it for for something. Oh, you just a blaze. That's crazy, son That's fuck

You gotta say both Let's take a drink Yeah, I'm gonna say both No, I'm gonna say both man He answered honestly with his crewmates Yeah, what it is Now what it is about Just Just is just a freak of nature though

Like Just Blaze is Midi compatible son This nigga is like a machine He is like a machine He's not human in a sense Like this nigga just I think he's like a robot and shit.

So it's kind of not fear to compare that nigga to nobody. But the same time, like the soul that Buck puts in his music, I did a whole album with Justin.

Buck did one song album and that was my favorite song. So it's kind of hard to really, and I'm like, because his music got a lot of soul in it. Like, when he dig,

like, he dig, like, when he chops shit up. Not to say Just Music don't, because you listen to blueprint or last shit. Yeah, he does.

He's a soulful guy, but he could do it without the vocal samples. Right. Like, a lot of times people need vocal samples to bring to make it sound soulful, they speed them up or they slow him down.

He does it with sounds. This shit just be the sound. It would be the beat. Lozade to make you feel like, oh, this shit, shit hit me here. But I, I think that's the hardest. That was a hard one, bro. I think we all fucked up, no. You know, do a certain part, you know, well, because it's like

I'll hear just shit and be like, oh, man, this is crazy. And he'll probably hear some shit and be like, yo, you inspired me. And it's like, the inspiration is from you know from that you know and that's that's it yeah well just so you know you aspire a lot of people you're absolutely keep in spot right that's right what's the next don't kill me just uh red alert or kid capri red alert red alert that's that's i love kid capri but red alert

different. Is it King Capri? No, but he wasn't DITC adjacent? I felt like he was close to the crew. Like,

Kinkapri is like, yo, he had a party rocking. Yeah, now no, listen, no more I can party like Kikipri.

Huh? Over red alert? Oh, no, no doubt, but it's like, over red alert, it's like a statement. The red alert is the godfather

this year on the radio. You wouldn't be on a radio. Let me just say you something. I'll be in certain towns and Kikipip will be a DJ and I won't even text him. I'll just go in and just have a great fucking time

and I'll be sitting there like he can rock any crowd like when I tell you Kickapri can rock any crowd any crowd and I'm not saying Red Alert because I'm not I know that's like a Kravison

I'm not saying Red Alert can't I just say I have been to witness it I've been in from from you know a Trinidadian party to a Haitian party to a Jamaican party

to a straight up R&B party to a rap party and Kickapree does them all the same way. He destroys him. I was thinking more also thinking about the impact they had in the culture, right? Because Red Alert put us on radio.

The niggins should stay up in late at night to wait to listen. And without Red Alert, we wouldn't have Kickapri on Marry. Exactly. And Kickapri on Death Comedy Jam. That's what I said Martin. I meant, I meant,

the whole bookie out of Martin here. The whole boogie on Martin, too. That's his verse on Martin too. Mine, that's Kickipree. Now, somebody said that wasn't him. Who was that? He sued for it. They took it out.

They took it out. The original one was him and then they sued him. Cole and one of them niggas said it was him. Was it? Yeah, no. I know. I did that's it. Yeah, I believe it was on Vlad TV.

Cole said he did it. Yeah. But what I was talking about when I say red alert, you got to understand, like, the whole boogey-down productions, fucking clean shit, violator, bringing in baby cats and all that. Junkabbris and bringing the whole brothers. Everybody came through. dig that but it's like Kit Capri is a party guy and a mixed

guy. Like a a person's talent is noted where it's like in a party. So you DJ, you want to rock the party. Not the radio. Some dudes don't even, some dudes on radio. Even on the radio. Yeah. Like, yo,

Kit Capri is a monster on the radio. He plays shit like the album cuts and it's like he'll do something else. Like, yo, he's crazy. He's crazy at the age. Nigel of that right now. I'm going to be honest

I would say boom personally I'm going to be honest I swear to God again you know red alert is my OG but at one point it was this

Biggie had this song called machine gun funk before that came out it was a weed spot called three wise men and we used to get there and we used to get the boot of funk we used to get the machine gun funk

and we used to get a kick and free tape and us coming from Queens buying a kick and pre tape we felt like that was our outfit that's how much kick and pre tape meant back then like

in order for me to get dressed I had to have a new kickerbre tape and we're born the same year and we didn't know I had to have a new kickerbree tape I swear to God I had to go up and by the way it ain't happening queen I'm talking about before

kick of him came around word before I made mixtapes though I bought every kick of pre tape and it's like completely I had a kick of dynasty

like whatever you call it collection where it's like crazy like every tape like I will walk in and be like yo what's new and it's like they pull out three years. Did you wait up late at night then press record and wait for red alert Oh yeah you got me you got me on that one yeah

the cushion in your teeth and make sure that's it and then wake up to see what you caught last night Brad is when we was broken and Capri's when we made a little bit more money yeah yeah that's exactly that's that's that's that much I remember Yeah, like this

all night like this I was the best one to eat up because we had to eat up on here and he was talking about the pause takes but I didn't even want to charm in and be like I thought because the way he described it was

as if it was only DJs who did that but I would do that well the thing is making real pause mix takes we would have two double deckers and you would manipulate the shit out of that. You know what's crazy one of my very first top 10 songs

because I see he be getting slack lately is my guy Kwame. Oh, yeah. He's ready to come on drink a lot. But Kwame, I didn't know that.

I didn't know he was ready to come on the check. But listen, Kwame, because I see them explaining himself on Swade. Like, okay, Big did this you.

Life is played out. Like, Kwamey with the fucking pogoddaz. But look at all the other lines in hip hop that was bigging you up. Like,

like, yeah, like I remember staying up. He's a hell of producer, man. Yeah. He's dope, man. Because he's like,

even with the big thing, like, he just shrug that off. He went along with it. He went along with it, yeah. His new shit is dope. His new shit is amazing. His new shit is fire. Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Fire, fire. I want him to come through, man. He's ready to come through. I was like, this shit is impressive. It'd make you become a fan again. Like, Kwameh was always fire. He looked the same, too. Yeah, he looked young.

Yeah, he looked young. Yeah, sir. He got the polka dot shit back, too. He started rocking that shit again. Where did the mommy? He's got the polka-dococin' shit back. I mean, I would have ran with that shit. too. Like, fuck that. It's my shit. Flav ain't take that clock off.

That's real. That's real. Flav got the clock. I got the dots. Digger, fuck that. O.C. or A.G. Ding dong. That's for you, brother. Since you like putting niggas on the spot. Take a sip.

You can drink. Take a drink. I bet. I bet. By the way, we need OC. business AG on here. Bax, come get you Yeah, both of them,

man. That's right. Two dope dope MCs, bro. Frank White or Nino Brown? I got to go

with Nino. Yep, even though you're added it to him. Yeah, it's a good snitch. Yeah,

he was a good snitch. Yeah, he was a good snitch. That niggins said, I ain't going down with my myself. He said, that pretty motherfucker right there.

He did it with class. Yeah, he did it with the class. He did it with class. He did it on the stand. Frank White is real, and Nino Brown is fake, but Frank White is real. I think

Nino Brown is... Yeah, Nino Brown is... No, Frank White is real. Nino Brown is supposed to be Nicky Barnes. No, no, it was a mix of people. It was a mix of people. It's like Scarface. They said that after they indicted it on Nikki Barnes. Who's the real? Frank White? Frank White, do you know from Blue Magic? No, that's Frank Madden.

No, Frank Madden. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, they'll be fucked up. I'm so glad of a movie because he missed that movie I'm like I don't know I don't know

I'm real What the fuck was my life But then you know what Nino Brown Yeah, Nino man Nino Nino was a ruthless motherfucker too

Yeah Cancel that bitch Cancel that bitch That nigga Nino I don't give me fuck Uh All right

Whoa Or I got a story To tell Ooh Ooh Take a drink Take a drink Take a drink.

Hey, I'm trying to get me drunk. Cheers. I got to drive. Get this one easy one. All right. Analog or digital. Both of y'all.

Analog. Analog. No, digital. I'm going digital. Sound wise. Analog, but all that carrying them motherfucking. Them are carrying them two and four of them reals?

It sounds like you're confused. Take a drink, sir. Nah, I'll take a sip. I'm not confused. You say both. You say both. You said analog because it is. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He liked the analog digital shit But all that Carrying and all that shit You know why I love analog? Because we couldn't do a song together back then

unless we was in the studio together So you got to smell my Izzy Miyaki You know what I'm saying I got to smell your Jamaican food You know what I'm saying You got to smell my chicharon Oh my own You know what I'm punching in

If you're punching nigger If you were punching nigger If you're punching a headache bro I ain't gonna lie to remind that shit They got to remind that shit They got to rewind in real time. I ain't going to watch you.

I really think I knew how to not punch them because of that. Excuse me, I knew how to flow all the way through because I hated punching it. Like you would have to, the engineer would literally have to say, you sure you want these eight bars. Yes, I want these eight bars. You're going to add the other eight bars. They would have to tape it. Cut the tape. Yeah, you got to cut the tape.

You know how long that shit is. You just sit in and you lose your momentum. But that's what made you dope. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And now it's like, oh, you know, just copy and paste this shit, I'm sure.

Yeah. Yeah. And taught you not to waste studio time. And digital made anybody be able to do it, too. That's kind of what made it whack, too. Like, anybody got pro tools and were like, I'm a rapper now. And we can't forget the middle ground. When we had that tapes, it was digital analog.

Let me pick up to somebody real quick. Because on our first studio, I mean, excuse me, our first album, he taught us not to waste studio time. Like, so who? Tragedy. Oh, tragedy. Yeah, because he's right. I had my rhymes wrote. I had everything I knew exactly what I was due

I never wasted time like if I had eight hours I used all eight hours expensive man it was not into a studio that's what was the thing it's like you know studio was so expensive it's like oh you know what

I can't waste time you know and that's it that's that's it studio was the original gatekeeper you had to really want to be in the studio yeah because everybody invested invest if you didn't have no deal yeah but it's like everybody was like

oh you know dudes be like oh you know I did 10 songs is there in the studio, two songs, that's all. Like, the real, the reel be like, you know what? You only hold two songs. You only holding two. And it's like, if you got to buy another reel, that's $100,000. Yeah, that should, yeah, that should call out of you. And we all with jits at that time.

Like, until I moved to Florida, I swear to God, I'm not playing around. Until I moved to Florida, I didn't know people didn't record five records a night. Like, I was, has to know. Like, I would not go to the studio unless, I'm recording live. Oh, you're talking about digital? Yeah, I mean, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Because once it went from analog and I already had my rhymes and when it was digital, I was making. That was already, I was like, so until I got out here, I've seen somebody like, excuse me, now I got out here because I wasn't living out here at the time. Until I got to the, it wasn't even the head factory was called the criteria. Criteria, yeah. And I would see your motherfucker make a record and go outside and smoke a cigarette. And I was like, oh, you don't go back in?

Yeah, what are you doing? You just make the record. and you're cool. Thank you. And I'm like, oh, I'm, I'm on my third joint. And I'm gonna come out here and play some basketball. Gucci made the five songs

in the night when it's like we was at a fucking hit factory. Oh, I used to do that in the Vegas. On analog. Okay, he's a beast. Yeah. Yeah. He's just running through it.

You put up another beat. Mm-hmm. Put up another beat. Yeah. I imagine Pac was doing that too the same way. I had to be knocking out more than five. Yeah, knocking him out. Pop, Pac, Pac, Pop.

I'm talking about coming home from jail pot He had different studios I had like you know Two studios Like one SSL And another SSL Why you doing the beat is in here Yo I'm gonna do the vocals

And when you finish the beat I'm gonna jump in here And it's like that's what Park had You know what I heard about Tupac was made it interesting They said once he was done with a song He wouldn't listen back to it It's like next

I ain't gonna lie I bit that from him That's correct That's a good idea. You can get caught up to listen to the same song for man long. No, because you know why? We're our own first fan. Yeah, you're right.

Like, you would never grow out of being your own first fan. You're right. Like, everyone thinks that there's, no, it starts with you. Your confidence, it starts with you when you listen into your beats. So if you sit there and you just keep listening, you'll listen to that shit all day. Like, I don't go to fuck, if I think I'm breaking about a fucking lighter right now, I'm like, I'm going to keep listening because I love myself. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but it's like, even instrumental, like, we do that shit too. Like, Nashim probably be like, oh. Big up Nashii and my. That shit. It's a lot of 20 times in a row. Yep. And, you know, when you're done, it's like, yo, I want to, I need to give these records back. You know, it's funny.

These young kids, they turn. I don't even think they sit on. I think as soon as it's done, they put it. I don't even do they mix. Yeah, they don't mix. They don't throw up a clean version. I mean, now you can put it through a, NBA young boy got like 75 albums.

I think, like, what the fuck? Yo, nigger Russell's like, oh, my 86 LP. Sorry, saying. I don't think they have an experience of teaching where it's like to meticulous, like, you know, to judge. Right. And it's like, the judging is like, that's the part where it's like, nah, you know, I can do that better.

And it's like, yo, you know, oh, you know, um, yo, I, I laid this verse over. Next song. It's like, that's how they figure, you know, you need to be. Plus, the streaming era is like, it's a numbers game. It's just like, let's play for the numbers. So the algorithm. Quantity, y'all in. Keep throwing out.

It's unfortunate. Like, it waters down. It's a lot of garbage. It makes it so much, because they keep doing the same shit over and over. You can't be that good to where you could turn out 55 albums and they all be hot. Nobody's that fucking big. You know, I look at the music. industry like it's like

it's like going to Costco's now right like you go to Costco's you just want a plant but you're going to end up but you get off it peanuts clothes watermelons TV

TVs batteries they offer you a Rolex they got Julie or Rolex you're like you might buy a furniture in that bitch I came here for a plant and was fucked up about that plant the plant the plan is all the way in the back so to get to the plant

but you just came there for, you got to pass to a whole bunch of bullshit. Shit that you don't want. But you're tempted, because it's one thing that, like, eye catches your eye. Like, something like a remote control car

that holds your phone. And you're like, oh, okay, this is how I'm going to watch Super Bowl. Yeah, I got to talk about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then you wind up out, but that's what the music industry is like, it's like, sometimes you just want to go and just get, like, like, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

My shit downloaded the other day, and I wanted to hear a shot A, right? So I go on. I press S. Oh, my God. As, like, they didn't even allow me to press S A. Like, they were just like, S hit, here's your priority. They give the alphabetical variety.

Yo, like, so that's what the music industry. There's still great products out there. It's just all in one. It's oversaturated, man. It's too much. It's a one warehouse. and you got to know where they get there. It's someone like the, it was like cable TV.

Remember cable TV had like 60 channels? Because we, we old, niggas. We remember there's eight channels when we were growing up. They had the Playboy channel. I don't remember the Playboy channel? You know a Playboy channel? Nah, that shit was squiggly. Yeah, you listen to go.

You were out there. That was called soft porn, right? No, that was the real thing. They were doing it real. Remember Benny Hill? He's a man. He was a man. He was a man.

Yeah, let me tell you something. That was soft porn. No, let me tell you something. Can Benny Hill exist? No way he would not exist. None of them niggas could exist. Morton Downey Jr.? You remember him?

Wow. I see Archie Bunker. Archie Bunker was racist and shit. Yeah, Archie Bunker said to the day. But he sound mild today when they play. They'd be looking. Oh, shit, he was woke. Yeah.

You know, he said, he said, he said, um, so who does all the cooking in your house? And she says, my husband. does. He goes, are you worried about that? Like, people will find out. And then she goes, she goes, what, that I'm a lazy wife? He goes, no, that your husband's gay. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

I'm like, that's hilarious. I'm like, yo, if this was to come about in a house, too, Ralph Crandon used to be like, Alice, one of these things. Oh, yeah, to do his wife, though. Yeah, like, he don't knock her the fuck out. You can't. He was domestic. He was domestic violence. No, but Archie Bunker?

Like, I was like, Archie Bunker. And then, I ain't going to lie. And he was ready. He was Jefferson. You got to remember, you got to remember that was in Queens. Spent off.

So we got to remember, George was on the east side. Yeah. And he left the east side. East side was still Harlem. Yeah. Queens was named Queens because the actual queen came from England and they visited there.

And I believe the King went to Brooklyn. That's why they called the Kings County. Right? So these guys are this, now this is, this is how it beats Queens. This is Yusuf Hawkins, Queens. And they're making fun of race back then. And I'm talking about, they're going hard. Yeah, shit was crazy. Like they're not like, yeah, I'm in with Saffirn and son. You know. And by the way, that, that TV back then, bro. Yeah, they didn't bring that back.

Yeah, we're a little too. Yeah, we're a little bit. Oversensitive now. I went with certain shit. But like you said, because Ralph Prananen was threatening to beat his bitch up any night. He said, Alice, one of these fucking banged bulls straight to the movie? Yeah, like you're going to knock the bitch. You do that shit now? You're getting canceled. He was the first Ike Turner.

He was Ike Turner like a motherfucker. But he was promoting his shit. I wasn't promoting. I didn't promote his mistake. I was like, that's not my mixtape. He said, that's not my mixtape. Yeah, man. All right, hold on.

We're not doing quick time. Let's go. Quick time was slime. 80s and 90s hip hop. 90s. 90s. Y'all bullock, all right. Joe and Jada or Cam and Mace?

Oh, that's a good one, man. That's a God drink. Good one. That's just got a drink. Okay, get ahead. You drink. You know? You respond?

No, I got to respond. That's, that's, damn. I'm going to go Joe and Jada. Yeah. I like they, they like, I love Cam and Mesa's dynamic, but we always seen that because they did songs together. They were from the same crew. No, we didn't see their personal.

how dope their personalities is to get right that's like that that's why i think it works because they friend they would grow together right jo and jada is like two different worlds no something they worked a lot together too over there really yeah yeah yeah like nor we know because like having cam on the songs like he's around but it's like is it's like we we probably like you know what oh you know cam is is doing too much or another excuse but norri's right like me being um me being in the bronx it's like i spent time with in hollum and it's like with big and it's like i seen the um i seen the dynamics what they was what they could do right you know what that got to do with this though right no dude yeah yeah yeah no um i think he was making

the harlem reference about them being friends yeah yeah they were friends but i mean to my point that's what I'm saying. That's the reason why I would give the edge to Joe and Jada because their chemistry for them, like they did some records together, but these dudes was children of the core. Yeah, yeah, children of the core. They're a childhood. Childhood friends. These guys just

work. And they play off each other really well. I think with the cap shit and Jada doing all the, oh, they got the flag. They're throwing the flag. I knew Cam's personality. I didn't know how dope Mace personality is and I didn't know how dope their personalities It's together, but it can buy.

It works perfect. Now, Joe and Jada. Joe and Jada is sometimes, like, offended by each other. And I like that. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Because Jada doesn't co-sign this shit. Yeah, he'd be like, this guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know his personality. Yes. And I know Jada's personality. So obviously, like, you don't know the personalities. Like, oh, you know. Right. I don't know these things.

Right, right. Who? Like Joe and Jada Like you know I know both for the niggas You're talking about I know all four of them You don't know

Like I know them Just the other day It's like oh you know Is it a cat? We don't sleep What? Huh?

What's what cap? Yo, when Joe be saying shit Like oh you know Is that cap But it's really real And it's like Even Jada's like Oh you know

This thing is cap And it's like You be throwing flags And shit all around Yeah they're running with that though No no no No no But Joe like it at first

purposely. He accepts it now. That's why I like it. That's winning for it. It's winning. Yeah. Yeah. It's winning because it's like, yo, they love me. Now he's going to see. He'd be like, I was at Pablo Escobar's crib. Like people two in the worst back. They're like, what wild shit is joking and saying?

How funny is Jay to go to be? That's funny. There's a kid who imitates him. So is this? He goes like this. He goes, yo, the U.S. government invited me to Mars one time. But he's trying to act.

Joe, he's like, So I broke a hundred Bronx niggins. He said, there was 200 people. There was 200 peers. Other people that was approaching me. And then after blue, Mike Tyson came to nowhere. And I'm dying because the way Homeboy is delivering the messes, he has Joe's. The man of manners.

That's so. I get it. None of them can fuck with drink champs, though. Oh, I appreciate that. Hold on. Hold on. No, I love. We love a lot.

We love everybody. This is, man. This is the OG. This is the OG. Joe Wai. Now I love everybody. Million dollars worth a game. Yeah.

I'm happy to see. I'm happy to see all these brothers excel and do well. And after they had very lucrative, successful rap careers, figure out something else while you're older. Like, okay, we can't, we don't want rap forever. Okay, this is something else. But now it could be, you know, take care of our families. But now we could teach youngings about the culture, like what you're doing with us.

And you know how many people are, watch this shit and be seeing them off i be learning shit i ain't know like when i watch the show i be seeing quick and all these stories i'm like oh shit i didn't know that and i think i'm a hip-hop historian yeah no yeah i learn every that's the best part of doing the show man i love about this show yeah yeah it's funny is yeah yeah yeah i love that show bro bro that's that that shit is fire i like bleak shit too oh bleak is killing him like yeah i like bleak shit too every day he's getting yeah let's make some more shit yeah that's a love brother dream champs not Hey, I'm Jay Chetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast.

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Don't miss Jeopardy legend Ken Jennings on our special game show week of the Puzzler podcast. The Puzzler is the best place to get your daily word puzzle fix listen on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all right riszo alchemist oh rizzo yeah i think alchemist i pick rizzo yeah i shout to alchemist too though yeah shout to i yeah all right carris won or cool g rap damn there drink drink yeah drink some monster let me see some monster let me see You said Kooji Rap?

Yes, he picked. Yeah, I'm gonna go Kooji Rap too. Okay. Kooji Rap. Illmatic or ready to die? Damn. You know, beyond popular belief, ready to die.

I'm gonna go Elmatic. Okay. Just the way, you know, the feeling I got when I heard both of them for the first time. Ready to die? Now I should change my life. It's a movie.

Like, what the fuck? And no lie, like, I don't believe every story about Queensbridge, but Queensbridge is like, it's like, oh, it's a made-up place. It's a real place, but it's like, the stories is, like, kind of made up, you know what I'm saying? What do you mean? Like, Memory Lane, it's like, you know, a lot of those stories is like, yo, they're not real authentic story, but it's like, when you listen to Ready to Die, he's telling you what happens. Yeah, I will argue with Noges is doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

And you know what's Because Biggie moms came out and said, I don't know, what the fuck he was talking about that struggle and shit about one room shack and all that he's like, that thing is freestalling. That nigga had every new pair of sneakers that came out. He's the only child,

a nigga never wanted for shit the nigga wanted to play in the street on his own. Not that he had to? Yeah, his mom said that. The letter said that shit. Yeah. She said, it was creative writing. drug dealing and all that shit,

that shit is real. Yeah, I believe. I mean, yeah, as a kid, he went out of the law. If you grew up in the 80s, you think it's so crap. Like, normally, like, but let me just say,

let me tell you something. Let me say something. Let me say something for Elmatic. I was away when Elmatic dropped, right? And I had been visiting Queensbridge prior to my incarceration, right?

Um, I literally saw, I didn't hear Elmatics. I saw it. Yeah. Like, when I heard it, Like, I saw, like, you know how Donald Goeins? Yeah.

If you ever read a Donald Goan's book? Like, like, you, if you read the book, you're in Detroit. From when you hear the train, when you hear the train. Like, when I heard the train. Like, I came outside. I remember coming outside that yard like, yeah. Because Brooklyn had buckshot shorty at the time. Black moon, black moon, right.

A lot of people, a black moon. A lot of people think that at first they compared big to Naz. It wasn't big to Naz. it was Black Moon at first that was like and then Big came and he's right he's right

it was Biggie and them ended up having beef too like it was Biggie and Nas because it's like No no no after that Biggie and Nas became cool remember that's why they said they were hanging out together

but at first it was it was Black Moon against Biggie was down with Knives at that time Nas is Nas and Biggs it's like everybody be like yo you know what

ready to die it's like oh you know Elmatic and it's like that was a choice It's like, you know, let's, niggas listen to it

in a car. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that was a big thing. You know? I think what's set bigger parts them remixes.

Oh, hell yeah. One more chance remixed. Yeah, yeah. Puff start remixing them records.

That niggas shit. I'm, that niggies is over here. And the mixtape joins, like dreams and shit that came out. It was wild, man.

Them remixes took that to another level, man. When he was going where it's like, yo, he was for the hood. Like, he had probably like seven records on

the radio besides, you know, one more chats, and he, like, he had street records. Yeah, I heard unsay that the other day. Like, yo, Biggie is ill, because it's like, no, no question was like, and you could test, like, yo,

people would be like, oh, Nas, Naz, this. It's like, oh, Nause is cool. What I would say. Nause is crazy because Nause's the imagination. But Biggie, he was like, he was talking about real shit, you know? I think if Big wouldn't have died, he would have

by far set itself ahead of the pack of emcees. Yeah. As far as his creativity and Big was, and we, when he died, 24, 25? Young, yeah, yeah. When you die that young, 24, you look at the 24 year old right now. I wouldn't even fight at 24. I wouldn't even fight at 24. Yeah, that's why it's crazy when we judge Pop and Big.

Yeah, they birth at the age of the age of they were. It's crazy to judge them for that age, you know? But, yo, they said it best. Like, Jay said it best. who's the best MC, Biggie, Jay, Z, and ours. And it's like, to this day, we argue about that, you know, ready to die or ill-matic. That was so smart a Jay to put itself in that conversation. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he didn't qualify at that time. At that time, he didn't qualify. You put himself in here. Like, that shit was genius. That's the illest marketing ever. Ever, bro. But the genius is like, yo, the album he did, you know, that was, that was. was another test, like, yo, you know,

like, reasonable doubt is like, yo, it's just as good. And you can't say it's not good. Amazing. No, absolutely. Amazing. What was the next album after that in my lifetime? Yeah.

By and one. Viand one. By and one had some joints on it, too. I believe Viand one was better than reasonable doubt. I had to go back to reasonable doubt to tell you the truth. Was it volume one after? I was really broke. Yeah, Vian one.

The reasonable doubt time. I was really broke. I didn't understand none of that. Money talk. None of that money talk. You all these facts. All these fashion brands for them niggins

I'm like, what the fuck is that? She had to Donna Karen and this and this and that. I'm like, these niggas know a lot about fashion. I didn't know. Yeah, we didn't know in the car,

I had to go back. And he's shit to the culture in that direction. Yeah, they did. They taught us because it's like, B.E taught us like street shit, you know, you know, ounces and whatever. And Nas taught us like

different, like different, you know, key like, you know, street shit and it's like Jay told us like, yo, you know, the money. So when it's like, oh, you know, if you're getting

money, nigger, you like, read the blue's out. To me, to me, El Maddica is the original good kid mad city. Yeah, I can see that. Because he was like telling the story, like you said, close to Allen is packed from what I hear are all my stories. I can see that comparison. He didn't say I've never been on the island. He said when I

hear in all the stories when people come back black. But Nause is like in another stratosphere. and like biggie. Like they artists It's like they dope artists But it's like They like Donald Goins

And it's like Langston Hughes And it's like They are The cream of the crop You know Kendrick is mad cool But Kendrick ain't on ours And it's like

It's no biggie And it's like And I'll probably Um He'll probably say the same thing You know Like they They was like years ahead

it's like where it's like oh you know good kid mad city I don't I don't know if people gonna be listening to that

and you know that is fire bro I don't know I could argue that I think that I was crazy I think he is I didn't

he's today's he's pretty easily but today yo today's Nause and Biggie but not today's Kendrick well no

I'm just saying we're comparing it in that way No, I'm saying, but it's like, you compare him to Nas and Biggie and Jay-Z, but you don't compare him. But that's us generationally. Yeah, the kids that are comparing him. They put Kendrick above a lot of, above them. Yeah.

Yo. They put Kendrick above. Kendrick is above, like, since the second album, like, he, like, he solidified, yeah. He solidified himself as like, yo, you know what? I don't want to be these things, you know. and it's like this this is what it is it's like he has so much skill

where it's like you know what he's on another level it's like he like he could be equal like oh you know Biggie J's Leonards and Kendrick and it's other people it's like in the same place agree

I didn't I just realized there's always a big three right yeah back then it was Biggie Jay Zena yeah that's crazy Kendrick Dray and J. Cole so we had to give a big three of now like new artists could be is there anybody that you would know about

Kendry no no no no that that's they're in the late 30s now yeah that's right they're not I'm talking like young yeah they almost 40 yeah they almost 40s who's the new who would are you that and tapped into what's going on are you no I just think there's so many artists is hard to be tapped in because this this lane of people yeah you know this lane this lane then everybody's got their own top three in different lanes yeah you're right you right that's true

Yeah, because you can't, because Playboy Cardi, I don't, like I said, I tried to listen. I try to listen to that shit because I'm like, how's he so fucking, like, all of these, this guy's humongous in the, yeah. But then I listen to the music and I was like, he's an old rapper. Who's that? Playboy Cardi. Yeah? What do you mean by that? He's been out.

Okay. I know, he's been out for a minute, but. Like 10 years? Yeah. Yeah, no, now there's somebody we never heard of like Chiqui Wong Wong Wong. He's killing the game. Some kid names. Zetti. My daughter listens to this kid named Zetty.

She's, she sweared by him. Yeah. I said, let me hear it just so I could know. Because I'm more than if they're rapping or if they mumble rapping, like, what's going, what's hot with the kids? Right. And he rap, but it's like, it's almost like some new culmination, honestly. But I think we got to be. Which is cool because it's off that drill shit.

It ain't that. We got to be careful with that whole idea of what's hot with the kids because that's also a problem. Absolutely. We keep referring to what the youth likes versus just what's good. Because there's between hot and whatever, you know what I'm saying, hot and good. Yeah. That's the point there. Yeah.

There's the difference between hot and good. Like, that's what people get, and they can be hot and be trashed. And be trash. Yeah. And just because a 14-year-old likes it doesn't mean that. I mean, it's good. We should be like, oh, I got to accept that automatically. You know, you're right. But Drake's been around, what, 20 years?

Yeah. 16, 17. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, this three where it's like, they've proven success. Absolutely. You know? Yeah.

But the next three is like, who's the next three? Damn, I don't think... That half that track record, you're saying. I don't think there'll be another three. Hmm. The industry doesn't even... Yeah, another XXL cover. Were. You don't even know if that's what that's the freshman, the freshman shit, right?

But everybody lost... The first one. First one, right? You can't even trust those covers anymore. You know what's funny? When you look at that cover, you look at who's still around, And you see how everybody maintained their career. It wasn't always through music.

It was something else. Right. Like, Boosey was on the cover, Little Bootsie. It was Joelle Ortiz, myself, who else, was on the guerrilla Zoh, Lupe Fiasco. Wow. So all these guys, I watched all these guys, because they were my competition and my colleagues at the same time. And I'm like, in hindsight, like, who went on to do what?

some of them dudes when they're like this they had huge records know who else like the kid rich rich his name throw them ds on that bitch no throw them ds on that bitch rich boy rich boy rich boy's gonna cover that too so i'm like damn he he just like stopped doing music or whatever the fuck him and polo for i don't know what happened but then you all had big songs stop cutting me off son i'm fucking the triggering me that's the trigger in me that's it trigger oh yeah it is right there look look pat joel prickad i crooked i young dro this was plies

me plies boosy yeah that's a that's a hell of that's a tough yeah that's what when you see you see

that that was tough yeah everybody on there is great or something everybody on there was great in

their own right that's why I was like I felt on it when they asked me they'd be on that cover but I'd just be doing the TV shit

I'm like all right I'm gonna find another way to make ends me when they're acting because the

onto about shit hold on hold on let's finish quick time yeah Yeah, and then we're going to go straight into that. All right.

A tribe called Quest or Dayla, so. Tribe. It's not even close. I don't know. I'm both. I'm going to drink from. They got a drink. Okay, cool.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. You think they're like a fuck with Tribe? Dayla is nice. I mean, they're definitely nice. They're legendary shit. But Tribe, Nick.

But Tribe does some things Dayla can't do. And it's like, they all native tongues. and it's like, that's dope. They compliment each other now. Yeah. All right. Ex-clan of poor righteous teachers. Great.

That's a great one. With the red, the black, the green, with the key, Sissy. Van Glorious. Again, it's like,

this is protected. These people, like, pioneers, like, yo, it's hard to tell them, it's hard,

it's not easy. It's easy to tell them apart, but it's like, They do the same similar things. I love poor righteous teachers to rock the smoky joint. Yeah, that's the joint. What was the other one, Bolisha, my queen, that shit was cool. But come on, man.

Brother Jay, I got to go with Brother Jay, man. I got to go with Brother Jay to me. Grand Verbalizer. Grand verbalizer, what time is it? But, you know, they both do the same thing, and they both give me the same feeling. And Brother Jay's to have a stick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brother Jay, you got a stout. He had a bone in his nose. Remember the nicket? So you said you're only You had the bone in the same. Yeah, both. Okay. Drink to that.

Brother. Drink to that. Drink to that. Yeah. You said both a lot of times, but you put politically correct. Yeah, man. It's not politically correct.

He answered the hardest one. Yeah, he did that answer. The hardest one. All right. DJ wise. S&S or Ronji? Ronji. I love S&S, too,

for Ronji. Ronji bought the mix tape. The mixing, like the blends, the blends. The blends. blend tape and a new exclusive shit. It's like, they go hand to hand. It's like, if I'm coping Ron G, I'm coping S&S. Right, you want your both.

Yeah. So you're going both again? Both styles. Yeah. This nigga going both for every flat. But you know, the reason why I pick Ron G. Because Big said, peace to Ron G. Brucey B, he didn't say S in that.

He didn't say S&S. He didn't say S&A. No. He said, yo, Jucy, yo, Funkmaster, Flecks. out to Funkmaster Flex, too, and I hate to see what he's going through. He's a number one who is. The young niggas don't give flexing respect

he deserves, but. They be talking about, ah, yeah, Flex is Flex is Funkmaster Flex. Flex is Spockmaster Flex. He's a Funkmaster Flex. He's on the radio. I don't miss flights because of Funkmaster Flux said I got this record, and I'm like, I've done called my wife and said, listen, I'm missing this flight. I need to hear this record. You can hear it anywhere.

No, no, no. It's not like hearing it in New York. City. Yeah. And, um, shit, it's been Times Flexman said, pull over New York City, and I'm the guy that pull over. And I attested that because, me, I'm the guy.

Your driver pulled over. You know, you don't just say your driver pulled over. Amon and Queens, when they play Triumph, like, he played it, he played it for like a hour straight. Who did my flex? Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. And that's that. It'd be like, yo, I

got to hear this shit. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing. These records today is like, yo, they don't really have a replay value. So people be like, yo, you know, oh, Flex played my record like three times. I think if Flex was on it, yo, Flex, 20 times.

Like 30 times. Yeah, right, right. All right, Jungle Brothers are leaders of the new school? Oh, shit. That's a good one. Damn, bro. It's a hard one. It is, huh?

I'm going to go to, I'm going to go to the, edge where it's like busting uh yeah i'm gonna go with leader leader yeah even though dink charlie brown you let me down because i thought you was gonna be up there with bus like he had the personality charlie brown i thought he was gonna be a star back then he was a star back he was he was the breakout out of leaders of news school originally and then bus can't bus was just too pol yeah bus had too much bus came and put your hands on my eyes

i think those were two personalities that couldn't live in that group together it was a scenario Remix. Yeah. That's what changed everything. Ra, Ra, Ra! Yeah, once he started

doing that shit niggas was like, yeah, he was like, bye, niggas. You imagine like that session

was, though. Like, Buster's just going, rah, rah, right. Like, no one heard nobody

rah, wrong, right? Like, imagine was like, what the fuck is he doing? Are we supposed to

tell? What's he running about? What's the fucking going on in there? All right. Did I change in my first?

I ain't a lie, man. Bus is one of them ones, too. Like, didn't he just win a VMA? Yeah. No, not a VMA.

He won a, yeah, they honored them. They honored them. They gave him the rock the bells, like, whatever that, but a huge honor. Lifetime. Let's make some noise for a woman. When you look at a boy, he's winning.

He's winning. He's winning. It's just another case of that. PTA. You know, about school. Parent and teachers. You know, I didn't realize that. Yeah, they're going to ride about school.

That's crazy. It's like, yo, they rhyme them about school. I didn't know that. I think it's because we were in school like this to show you that I can't.

The niggas had to dance me. I mean, think about they were leaders of the new school and now he's, he's graduated

to be the OG. Oh my God. Bus is one of them ones. Like, when I see these lists and I don't see bus in the top 20, I'm like, whoever made this list

is non-boyed, bro. Yeah. And everything. Performance-wise. Longevity. Yeah. You're talking about a nigga in 80.

Like, yo, 2000, 2000, these zoo was like, It's like, it's competitive. Crazy. Like, these new rappers are competitive. Notice, notice, nobody wanted that smoke on verses with Buster.

No. No, no, no. Nobody said yes. Like, he was like, hell fuck niggins out with that Chris Brown verse. Yeah, he's, and I got a gold. Then I got to serve this. You can fuck me over that alone. He's like, Terris Parfit right now.

Nobody want to fight him. That's a bit. That's a lot. Yo, I ain't a lot. I thought, I'm like, he's too big. I don't know. I never got hit that. Our roster told me that our group chat became racial.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, because I was a Latino, Latino, Latino, it's like all the Blacks went for Cornell and all the Blacksmen for Bond. We went to prison in prison rules? Yeah, yeah. Prison rules. And I was like, it was like some OJ verdict shit. O.J. verdict. Classic Latino and Black.

I was like, I didn't see that part. Remember the OJ verdict when they showed it? All the white people were like, Dan. I'm like, Dan, this is all about. race, bro. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. If you ever want to really see

like a race, like a race thing, go watch boxing and like, like a hooters style. Not Hooters, because I think Hooters is closed now, but like a hooters. I think there's one hooters in Hyaliyah. Oh, my hooters is closed? It's closed? It's still there.

Estabstment is closed. We can make pooters. You're going to make pooters. It's not how it is. You go during like two different races, like a Mexican, fighting a Filipino, you will never see how racist it is.

Like all the rest of this coming out anywhere. I'm talking about any type of thing. He said, go to a neutral zone. Yeah, go to the neutral zone. Yeah, go to see how racist that you can. All it's going to be is two different races

of two different people. I'm told my, oh, my God, you will see how people pick a size. Go ahead. Let's go. All right. You have TV raps or video music box? Video music box. Uncle Ralph.

Uncle Ralph. This is the Vic and the Vic Shout out to the Big kid Shout out to Uncle Al This is the Vit kid Don't forget about the Vid kid That's where all of us got our start from You know

So we used to turn to Channel 31 With the U, remember If you grew up in New York Yeah you had to put it on Channel U Then you's the little one That shit be man fucked up You like But for real

Like Uncle Rob He put us on Like everybody And it's like The whole New York And it's like the New York rappers Was that drink champs? Y'all just had Ralph.

Yeah, we had Ralph. When he was talking about all the videos he did. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The videos that he directed? I couldn't believe it, man. Like, poison and all that. I didn't know. Like, fucking, all the video.

They were directed like that. Yeah. And it's like, he did his thing. No, he definitely did his thing. And humble as fuck is like, you know what's in here too. Yeah, man. With the videos. That's why I'd be like, yo, Ralph.

You, he says son on here. that fuck me out he said niggas didn't get videos back then you'd be lucky to get a video yeah no it's really like everybody didn't get no video you had to be a special motherfucker to get a video

I don't even think people who were requesting a video word because over here records you didn't play it was hard the way to play our videos at right you know what I'm saying so he created that platform for us and then start directing the videos

and giving like Wooten Klan protect your neck and all these videos I ain't know he did all this shit yo he had the fucking the numbers on his side Word. Tickers. The ticker's still going.

Yeah. The video. Yeah, the video. Yeah, the video is running. Facts, bro. He blew that shit up. That was crazy. That was another one of them ones.

All right. Black thought or common? Black thoughts. This nigger. This nigger going to think. You got to think about that? I got to think about it, man. It's like, black thought is one of them ones.

And common is one of them ones. I love comment. but once Ron Fest was like, yo, when I wrote that shit for comment, I was like, what? Regardless? Really? If he wrote it?

Glory. You said I wrote that whole fucking soul. For real? Yeah, son. And then a nigga dubbed me. You said I did that, the shit won a Grammy.

That nigga stopped picking up my clothes. Oh. You said I got a nigga of Grammy. You stopped picking up. Shout to Ron Fest. It was a brutally honest Chicago, nigga. You know, like a Ron Festival.

He'd tell you them Kanye stories, bro. Nobody know Kanye like Ron Fins. Oh no, he definitely no. He got a drink. Are you saying both? Yeah. You said both? Yeah. The roots? My God. Black thought and comment. You got me? None of that. None of that resonates.

Everything resonates. Like, yo. Everything resonates Like, yo. Hey, man. Common sense. Going back to common sense. Yeah. Common is a beast. I used to love it. I used to love it. I used to love I love, I love comment. I love comment, and when Rhymefest told me that, like, I'm an emcee, MC. If I hear you writing your rhymes, it takes so much away for me as you was an emcee, because I'm like, come on, bro.

But even in the 90s, a lot of people, like, you know, wrote balls and shit and frames or whatever. It's a lot of people who had, you know, writers. Now, niggum might throw you a line or I did. You ain't writing my rhyme. A hook or something, yo. You can't think writing my rhyme. bro. I always just think like that.

Like, yo, you know what? No one can't think like me. So how the hell you can write? Sometimes, like, yo, you know, people pin the hook. Like, it's different things. A hook is different. A hook is different. Yeah.

That's not the verb. We emcees. We start caring about hooks when we start learning about song structure and making songs. No, I doubt. For commerce. I don't doubt. We was rapping in the hood. Nick, it ain't going to the hook when he was in the cypher.

Y'all, you know, he wasn't in cypahing going to the hook. Like, you know, the hook. Nah, you got to spin. That shit was for those brackets and shit like that. Go ahead, eat for the next one. Method Man or Red Man? Metham man. To me.

I love Red Man too, but Metham man. I got to go with Red Man. This thing is just... What are you getting on? Anything in my face. I like that, though. That's good. Your Red Man is ill.

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You can't... Jizzler, you can... Jizzler and Inspector Deck and... Maybe he's sleeping on meth, bro. Maybe he's been sleeping on math. But meth got the total package, though. Like, that's what's... You said technically...

But technically, he's a crazy MC, too, bro. He'll technically be like, yo, I got white-outvel blunts. I got fat. bags of cuck, it's like, oh, it's cool, like, but this thing is, like, on triumph? Right. Oh, oh, expect this deck? Yeah. Obama-atomic league.

You, he went on that, too. I listen to that shit. I listen to that shit. He was a girl with the press the lens. The hall haven't ever learned. He went in on that shit, too, though. Meph went in on that shit. Yo, Meph went off protecting neck.

Meph cooked over. No, no, no, he was a standout. He was a standout. Or Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck. We was waiting for, he was like the sticky fingers of Wu-Tang at one point. You was waiting for Mep Park, bro. Yeah, but. When Meph wasn't on a song, you was like, uh-uh.

So we were jogging the other day listening to, I believe, what's the 36 Chambers? Yeah. And that skit came on, yo, I was so embarrassed. Like, we were all over-feeding them. We just jogging by nothing with white people. Feeding them. Feeding them. You know, I stabbed you, my miss twos.

Stal him in a nut. You were loud. They're glad. And I'm just, we're jogging. I'm like, we got to hurry up. And all the white people just turn around. That's funny. Are you talking about stabbing somebody in the nuts?

Yeah, that's funny. And he said, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a stung your asshole. And, excuse me, me. I'm looking like, oh, my God. They spit their sharpest even to this day. Yeah. Yeah, they all sharp. Memphis, Memphis, super sharp still.

Like, he got better. He got better. He got better. You know? I'm saying. He got better. I feel the same. Because when I hear I'm rapping

And he's doing it for fun now He liked the young Like young spitters Like to see The show he can keep up with them You know what I'm saying Like I'm gonna rap with some of these young dudes Show him that I could

He liked that From the early 90s nigga That's keeping up Yeah All right we almost done guys Oh let's go man Nice and smooth A brand new

Nice and oh shit Hey you can answer Without the second That's like my favorite group Dude dude said brand newbie Oh damn You got a drink No

Nah I got to you know that's still one that's hard bro that's still one of the hardest lines ever matter how the time the ball bounces there's still no bones and ice cream I don't even know what the shit mean it makes sense to me

and you know what's crazy I've been in the trailers and I've never asked the motherfuckers this shit been on the tip of my tongue like hip hop junkies got to be one oh so hip hop junkies are all we got to do And you're like slow down and all that shit

But this thing Yeah Punch jump up is the illest Punks jump up is crazy Yo, but son Something Dwick Yeah No, come on

Whick boom boom Even though that's gangstar wrecked They knick made that shit by it That was the summer for That was yeah Like two summers in a row No what Remember that video

Like it was yesterday Remember that rhyme About um Um With smooth be talking about the girl Do Coke Now she's on blow Sorry smoothie

I keep that the business of snow I need blow I'm not I'm not getting beat over What was that song? I got it Sometimes I round slow Sometimes I was a one two

Five Trici chatman Sampleton and then Yeah Yeah Nice and smooth That's hard Greg nice bro

Greg nice is Nah they're ill man Yeah they were ill I got to I'll drink to that They're anthem makers That's time for sure Once I love brand new man That's hard

Because I love brand new You know what's crazy you know I believe it was last year and Leo Combs did a event and he had all of us fly out and what's crazy is

I see like the people who's performing I can't wait for nice and smooth as nice and smooth was coming out I was going to I forget who I was going to give a five to I knew it was a very important person as soon as nice smooth came out I just turned around and I was like y'all be back

and I had to just watch them like And his energy on state, Greg. Energy. Yeah, he's still, yeah. He's still doing it. We need them on Dream Chams as well, man. We were trying to, we were trying to do it for a minute. I didn't know this was Buck first time.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I like that. I'm so glad to see this, my brother, because. Yo, when a guy that was star in Buck Wild, did you ever have beefed to do Buck Wild? No.

Okay, all right, cool. You was cool with him taking your name? He ain't take it. You ain't taken it. You get it home? Don't fucking with you. You let him use it? Like, you use it.

Like, you know what? It's hip-hop. It's Dr. Drey and Dr. Dr. Drey. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. True. Damn, I ain't think of that.

Yeah, very true. Thank you. That's good. Go to the next one. Good observation. The last one. He said, doctor. Go ahead.

Okay. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. I don't think you go disrespect somebody you're loyal to. I think if you're loyal to somebody, you're going to respect them. I think it comes hand in hand. and vice versa come like you could be loyal

and still respect me and it's like it's like yo you know what I was I was thinking since enough show like yo that's a hard question because it's like yo on one hand

it's like yo you know what if you're loyal to them it's like yo you don't disrespect them right and I'm like yo you know what I would be like you know what Right

You know Right Right I just I think loyalty Is both to you Yeah Yeah

Everything been both Except You had to agree with you Before Everything been both Except the hardest Question he had to answer That's the one he

Said fucking I'm going to answer me No The finesse You know This is like This is real It's like

Yo do I Do I choose Loyalty or do I Respect You know I believe all they all go hand in hand But if I had to choose one I know a loyal person is not disloyal

And I could trust them Because you could trust a person that's loyal And I don't know if I trust everybody I respect That's real Yeah, you know That's real That's fair enough Trust is a big part of being loyalty

So almost like you know your girl loyal She can go out You ain't worry about nothing Right You ain't nobody can call you And tell you your girl out You can't, I know my girl. She's loyal.

She built a different kind of way. She might be in front of you. She might fight and she might call you a kind of bitch-ass. Yeah, but disrespect to sit at you. But if she's loyal, she ain't never going to violate. But lawyer means, that's real. But so she, loyal meaning she might not be messing with another guy,

but she might be out gambling with her girls. Now, if she's breaking the trust by doing that? No, but if you ask her, she didn't tell you. She didn't tell you. And that's something you don't want her doing. And I have that understanding. If she does it, then she's not loyal. She's not loyal.

She being disloyal. Okay. But expect that. You think you and your girl might have a fight. She might call you all kinds of names and disrespect the shit out of you. But she ain't going to go fuck a nigga. You know what I'm saying? So she might disrespect you.

She got to go. She's out of it. Damn, this is for cussing you out? That's it? Yeah. Like, we don't tolerate that. I probably don't cuss me out and go suck a dick. Any day to week.

Cuss me to fuck out. Yeah. If you out there, blob and knobs and shit. No. No disrespect, but it's like, yo, a person where it's like,

you know, like females, like, it's undine love. But it's like, they respect you to the fullest. And it's like, a female won't,

you know, talk shit about behind your back. It's like, what, nigga, what kind of business you don't do?

You don't know what I'm saying. I'm sad. That's all they good at. No. No, no. Who are. No, no, no, because All the what you like to do is argue,

for real, like, yo, there's some good ones out here, and, you know. Your girl got a sister? Huh? Your girl got a sister? I need to need some. Oh, you don't got, oh, that's why you're talking that dumb shit. That's like you're talking that dumb shit.

Yeah. But this is a love argument. I'd be like, shut them fuck out. You're like, what's wrong with you? And they don't use logic. They don't care about logic. They don't care about fucking making sense, common sense.

My kids are you? Like, yo, perfect people, like, perfect example of what it is. Like, yo, I can trust them. It's like, I'll do whatever for them. And it's like, yo, she got my back. It's like, you know, and I got out back. And it's like, yo, that's it. Okay.

Let's talk about the entourage. How did that? Entourage. You said it was a mistake? Entourage, yeah. Shit, nigga G. Robes said call me. He was like, yo, Mark Warburg's doing a TV show.

You want to be on it? Oh, you want to audition for it. But it was between me and Young Jeezy. Me and Young Jeezy was up for that part. And I was like, nobody knew it was going to be a hit show. Right. When it went and when it was like, HBO has an idea. Wait, but what was you on season three though?

Two. Season two. Oh, okay, you were early on. The first season was pilot. Yeah, I was the first black person on to run. Oh, shit. Yeah, outside of an extra walking in the back. The first nigga with lines, I was the first nigga with lines.

Then Bow Wow and 50 and on him came out. that. But I was there to build Turtle's character. But you was actually a character though. Yeah, I had re-apurton role. I was there to build Turtle's character because they're like, we just got this nigga meandering around drive. You need to give him to... Be your manager. Yeah, so he became my manager and shit.

Which is, shout to Jerry Ferraro. I'm going to say, I speak in real life? Yeah, that's my brother. I talked to his moms. Shout to Jake's kids. He got some of those... Describe how this mistake happened, so... Because I was an actor. I never acted in my life before that.

But, you know. But the audition. It wasn't in prison. We got to act every day. But I'm real acting like that. But no, I never, I had never done that. So I was like, I was looking at it like, they're not going to pick me. I ain't no fucking.

So you went to the audition. Was G. Did he do? Nah. Okay. I had a flutter Hollywood and meet all these fucking real Hollywood motherfuckers. And they're like, and then one thing I did that was smart. I think they had the name.

I was like, if I get the park, can I use the name Saigon instead of whatever fucking name they had in the script? It was like Little, little G or whatever the fuck. I'm like, won't you let me use my real rap name? Right. And that was the best move I ever made in my life. Why, I say that. I mean, think about this. To this day, yeah, to this day, I know.

Yeah, to this day, when that shit opens some, if I go meet somebody and I'm like, yo, I'm Saigon, you know, the first thing they say is, oh, like the guy from Antara? They don't even know it's me. Oh, wow. They'd be like, oh, like the guy from Antirahs, like, I'm, like, you're mysterious. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I got to tell them, yeah, yeah, that's me. If you, if you, if you, if you, that shit opens so many, like, yo, traffic tickets. You know what I'm saying?

I couldn't be like, I'm a little B from Andre. Like, who the fucking little B? Like, you know what I mean? That shit got you out of so much shit when that. And that show was hot for like 15 years. Listen, one of the greatest shows that have, yeah, right now, right now, right now, um, they have a show on Apple Plus called the studio. Yeah, that's, um, Seth Rogen.

Seth Rogen. Oh, I got, fire. You know for Artharajon. They have another, they have a running point on Netflix about the bus family. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. The Lakers, the Lakers, yeah, yeah. By the for entourage.

And everything, like, you can literally see where they got the seas from. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Doug Allen shot, Doug Ellen and them guys, the writers. See, what HBO does, they do. They did it with all their shows, Sopranos, they did it with The Wire, they did it with Sex and the City. The first season, they go get a bunch of C&D-level actors, so they ain't got to pay them really a lot. And they give the money to the writers. So they go get these great writers who fucking write amazing shows.

They be the ones making the two million an episode while these actors be making a couple thousand dollars. Right. And so once the show becomes a hit, and you locked in a contract, I'm going to get four or five seasons out of you. you before I really got to pay you. Like, once it's time renegotiate, now you know you're a star. Now you come and be like, nah, I need the big bucks now. Because I'm

popping, though. I'll fuck around. Like, God rest of the soul. What's name? James, who paid Tony Soprano? Yeah, Jane Randolphin. I can't pronounce this shit. But Tony. Yeah, Tony. Tony. Tony Soprano. Them niggas was, they were, we didn't know who to.

Sarah Jessica Park. Yeah, because he was fighting for them to get more money. Yeah. Sarah Jessica and the motherfucker. We, you know, look how many stars that The wire, bro. Michael B. Jordan, fucking, what's the nigga name? The tall, all the bitches like. I ain't even know that nigga from London.

Yeah, I didn't either. Played the Baltimore nigga better than the Baltimore nigga, man. But they set it up where it's like you could get the, if they didn't, if they didn't pay those writers. Yeah, yeah. The show with that, the show might not have taken off. So it's like a give and take.

Yeah, it is. It is. It's genius. And that's, yeah, that's why you got to respect. They know what they fuck they do. doing over there. I was talking Doug Ellen, and he told me, and this is how Hollywood works.

He said he was pitching a show to HBO after Entourage. He was like, Entourage was such a success. I just knew they was going to let me walk anything through these doors. Because we had so much success with Entourage. And he's like, me and Mike Tyson did a show. And we've, he's like, I spent a million

and a half dollars doing the pilot on one episode, a million and a half. And HBO was like, we don't like it. We don't want it. He was like, a million and a half in a hole. I was like, damn, that's it. He was like, I just knew I had it was going to green light it because of my past success in the entourage.

And, you know, so that's Hollywood. That shows you something. Yeah, man. I got a new show, that already. Matter of fact, that's the shit with Shaq? It's called Gravesend. Y'all, y'all watch Graveson in the air? So it was about Graves in Brooklyn.

So the show is about the mafia. It's out now? You seen that? Yeah, it's like some new soprano shit. Okay, and it's out. Yeah, it's season, first season, first two seasons is out. Oh, what's it at? It's on Amazon.

Oh, my episode, yeah. And what's it called? Graves in Brooklyn, like, like, Benz and Hurston and all right. So I'll show you all the guys in the mob that didn't really blow up. Like, everybody knew Goddy and certain things because they was on TV, but there was a whole group of mafia niggas who didn't never get, like, the light, the shine, who was putting in work.

So, this drama, like, dramatic, or, or. No matter. Okay. It's like Sopranos. Okay. Like Sopranos. But it's like a realer version of Sopranos. Like, this is they took my real guys from the neighborhood. And yeah, I'm on there, Shaq, Shaquille O'Neal's on there. And I fight Shack. I'd be fucking that. Yo, this

nigga is the strongest nigga in the world, bro. What is Shaq playing a firefighter? Nah. What is he playing in the show? Nah, he played some gangster nigga named Mustafa, who cool with the mob. Like, so when the mob got a problem with the blacks, they'd be like, oh, Mustafa.

go handle your people type shit like we don't want to smoke I don't know if I can believe Shaq is a tough guy I don't know man I don't know man I'm doing I'll be fucking

yo son That's how he talked That's how he talked You know what I remember how many times We had to move his mic Because he's like Yo Whoa

Yeah yeah yeah Yeah he's all spoken Like this You did it like five times You did it like five times yourself But I'm gonna tell you crazy shit We had a fight scene right Nigger

Rapped his hand around my neck and the niggas's fingers touched in the back. Yo, I was like, yo, your penis touching in the back? I said, get the fuck off you, man. Your nigga, whole shit like this. Around my neck, yo.

I'm a pretty strong dude. I could not budge this motherfucker. To the point where every time we finish the scene or one of the fight scenes, the motherfuckers had to come over and be like, yo, you all right, son? Right. I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

I'm good. Lying like a motherfucker. The niggins, the window is old Paul. And he don't know his own strength. He knows the gorilla strip. He might have mountain gorilla in his DNA. He's like, the nigger got brute strip.

Like, I couldn't bust this thing. And I'm trying. And he ain't even trying. He's just like, he's talking to a nigga like this with his head about my name. I'm like, you get the fuck on. I'm like, oh, that's five niggas. This is the diesel for real. But amazing individual, man.

Who else is on there? So you, Shaq, who else? Me, me, Willie DeMayo, like a lot of Mano's on it. Meno? Peter Garns is on. They, they, they're Shaq's cronies. They play his cronies? Me and him got, yeah, they play his, yeah, his look.

Deodorant. Yeah. And they be fucking me up. Because every time I got to get it on with him, he's sending him little niggas, like, yo, this little niggas. But this is a great opportunity because working with my brothers. Like, I love Meno. I love Peter.

because these are my friends in my life. I just met Shaq doing this show. I never known him, but we established a relationship. You know what I'm saying? I'd be looking all this shit surreal. All this shit still feels super. Even being here with you,

feel surreal to me. I'd be going home and be like, yo, I was just sitting with fucking Norrie. Even working with him doing an album with Buck Wilde. I'm not out of fucking album with Buck Wilde. I'm one of them do, everybody else is on the set at a normal,

and I'll be there like, yo, starstruck. Like, yo, it's like working with Michael Jordan. Oh, I saw this, but I didn't, I ain't know no black people was in here. Hey, we come on season three. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't watch it, but, you know, I ain't no black people's on there. We come in season three. Every time I keep watching Seinfeld, I see more black people now.

Oh, yeah, man. We do oil in the engine. It's not like they made a different version of Seinfeld. I'm not about to say. No, no, no, I just keep watching it. Because at first, it was only one black person on Seinfeld. Do you all remember that person? No, I never.

The guy that owns the diner. At least they let them own the diner. The diner that they own the diner, but it's like, I didn't know who, like, who works there or even the black guy. The black guy owns it, yeah, on the low, yeah. And they'd be changing up the apartments on the Seinfeld. I never saw Seinfeld. I never seen friends, Seinfeld. No, no, no, no, no, don't put friends and Seinfeld together.

It's different. I never seen none of this shit. Now, listen, listen, this is why you, first of all, it all comes. from Seinfeld. Everything. Seinfeld was two guys. I assume Larry David

and Richard, I forgot his name, that passed away. That's what it's supposed to be. And they said, let's make a show about nothing. And they was like, okay, so what's it going to be about?

Nothing. So what did you do today? I walked from my crib. I walked a dog and I went to Abbey Squaremore and I got my fronts clean. That's the episode. So. Hit show. Biggest show in the world.

Biggest show in the world. And it's just, it's the first version of reality TV scripted. Copy. Copy. You understand what I'm saying? So I learned so, so much. I never understood the, like, though. I'm like, why is this shit so big? You never watch Kirby enthusiasm? Nah, I heard that's probably. That's the same guy that wrote. That's the same person. Yeah, Larry Dave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love him so much. I don't want to mean him. Oh, well, I want to be like, you're asshole. If he's going to go in the room, I'm going to leave. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm see if I could. If there's one exit out, then I'll be like, all right, cool. I'll say hi. But if I could exit, I don't want to meet my heroes. No more. New more. So you met your heroes? No, well, at first when I met Chris Rock, we was at a Bon Jovi party, ironically,

with Leo Coles, Russell Simmons, and Jimmy Iveen. And I was like, besides Russ, I was like the only black guy there. And then Chris Rock was hosting And Chris Rock said What is the world coming to? Oh yeah

What is the world coming to? I got to take pictures with Norrie And I was like I didn't know if he was playing Because he knows he's a comedian So I didn't know But that was the first time I was just like

I don't want to really meet too many people So it was like No it was a couple of others It's just I just don't remember Like off top But there was a couple of others where I was just like, hey, what's up? And it was like, people were like, I was just like, all right, cool. So you graduated from rappers?

Yeah, the actors, whatever. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, most people don't reciprocate the same type of love that you distribute. So it's cool. I can roll with it. No, no, no, I never met MJ. No, no, no, I'm not bringing up this story again. I'm good.

I'm good. No, no, no. But that's a story, but that's not a story with me. like you don't mean he ain't front of me he's front of him on hip hop all right so before we get up out here I want to run through the album right

that's what you're here for you all you're celebrating the new album right yes sir so I want you to say something about it real quick as I run through the songs so y'all father talk part one the intro oh yeah that was just me just saying

let me just rap I should remind people I can still rap and you named a lot of white woman yeah he was going on that yeah I got a fetish up I got a fetish. I love the pink toes, man. You love white women?

Not love them, but I like playing with him. I like when you rap because it's like, yo, he like, he breaks it down and he goes in. You know what I'm saying? And it's like in a way most people can't do. He got a fetish too. For white women? Yeah.

Oh, is this a soul man? Tell us true. We talked about. Oh, y'all are a soulman? Brother Ubal. Umar we got fetches away we like pink toes I'm Dr. Umar you're gonna brother Umar you're gonna brother it's Dr. Umar man it's Dr. Umar man we're not school

we're not school we're gonna open up brother umma I mean Dr. Umar we're still waiting for the school brother you can school us and bring a white woman with you okay so dear god and do you still write God do you still right? No no I said you stop right now I talk I pray every day but on the first time I did a song Marsha and Broshes and it was like she came with the

Don't you remember you told me your love and we was like I write a letter to God so I was like when we just double up on that record and be like yo that album was 11 years ago and the world's getting worse like what the fuck is going on?

Write another letter. Yeah, right there's a lot of truth in the song and it's like yo I can say he poured his heart into it but it's like yo you know what like he he put a lot of truth into it. Because it's sad.

I get sad seeing these young kids die, like the young Dolf. Like, you look at all of your Nipsey Hustle, Pop Smoke. Like, it's to the point now, we so desensitized. P&B Rock. We're so desensitized to it now. When it happens, it's like, Moly, what's a kid named from Dallas? Like, we're desensitized. It's almost like it's supposed to get smoke.

It's terrible, man. It's terrible. We had Pock and Big stood out to us because it was like, nah, we ain't getting this game to die. We gained this shit to. get away from that shit. You know what I'm saying? We left the streets to come here and prosper and raise the kids

and move to the suburbs. Now, these motherfuckers is getting in the game and dying young. Like babies. Like, and we look at it like, oh, now it's the desensitation to where we don't raise a big flag. This shit got a, this shit is not,

got to stop. Us is the people. Because this is hip-hop, and it all be based around the music. It always has something to do with some hip-hop shit. Like, we need self-destruction today that'll work the same way with it back then. Don't not say that shit all the time?

Yeah. I'm like, you put all these influential people right now on the song and tell motherfuckers, yo, we got to stop this shit. Right. I've seen this shit with Michael Jordan one time, right? And it made me lose so much respect for Mike as a person. Matter of fact, I won't say I lost respect for him, but I was just sad. I was hurt by it.

Where, remember kids used to get killed for Jordans back in the day, right? They wanted him to do a press conference, right? and be like, yo, we need you to tell these kids these sneakers ain't worth dying over. Like, he was like, that's going to take away the value to the shoe. I ain't doing that shit. Wow. I ain't doing that.

If I do that, if I do that, if I'm going to go down from a buck to 60 to 40, I ain't doing that. But they're like, they're killing each other over your sneakers. And he was like, nah, and that's going to, and I'm sure it probably wasn't him. It was probably somebody at Nike. Right, right, right. He was like, bro, you can't.

through that. A couple of bodies ain't shit. And now when we look at it like what drill music was and all the shit was and we know who funds the drill movement it ain't these kids. They don't got the money to push records. We know that. We know who push the buttons on the platform. Yeah, or the

platform. They don't have that. So when we see all the negativity to come back to self-destruction to our community, even with the young ladies, with the females, how they're all hypersexual and all that shit. I got two daughters, bro. I, I be looking at that shit like yo y'all

relax relax with this shit because y'all are the unfortunately rappers have become all leaders bro it's unfortunate but it's real who else do we look up to like we look up to like rappers not even athletes athletes look up to rappers everybody looks up to hit the hip hop

guys everybody jz's the top of the food chain when it comes to black culture if you ask people yo paracons here jz here where they're going to be at you only go have boatis over here everybody else is over there

and he's a rapper so we have to we hold that responsibility and a lot of people don't want to hold it and that's why when you talk my 444 you hear the growth in J shit telling me

I could have bought a building for two bigger Dumbo now that building is dumbbo like shit telling you be financially responsible do all of this shit

and they don't care if our kids get that or not they don't give a shit they want whatever It's going to sell. So not to be long-winded, but yeah, that's... Yeah. Let's get into Wild Wishes.

That's a song telling everybody that want to see you lose and hate, yo, even though you want to see me fucked up, I want to see you win. Yeah. Yeah, it's fuck's nicks up with you. It's almost like a hated nigga. It's like, oh, yeah.

And you, you know what, son? It's sad that you want to see me fuck up because I, if it was up to me, you'd be in my shoes. Right. You know what I'm saying? All right. meet Raymond

Riches They fuck that Fame and Riches It's really The guy Who's trying to get motherfuckers Like come on man

It's the soul cell nigga Yeah Like yo you want Fame and riches Come fuck with me bro Like

Look at these other nigga You gotta It comes to a point Right With your integrity Got to kick in At some stage

Because they said A pimp or sell His own ass If the hole ain't making no money Oh shit For real So you got to ask yourself, who am I in this situation?

I'm not a pimp-a-hole. I'm a leader. I'm a black man. I'm like, y'all not going to get me in a situation where I feel like I got to bend over because I want a nice car. I want to keep up with the Joneses. I remember going to Germany for the first time.

Like I said, I love traveling, and I noticed all the calves were 500 bins. Yeah, everything is big. Every car was a bend. So I'm like, we'd be over here dying, selling drugs, willing to... For a fucking cab. And that's a hot day.

I'm talking about yellow. Just say Hyundai's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, we'll die for this shit. We'd be out here selling drugs, robin, doing everything to fucking drive. Right.

Some shit that's just materialism, bro. It's materialism. And they got us fucked up with that shit. Yeah. So that was one of them things like, bro, find something to live to stand on as a man. Right. Because once you find a purpose, a lot of us don't know our purpose yet. Once you find your purpose, your life is going to open up.

All the doors in your life going to open up. You're like, I got a purpose. to be here. Who's for the young? For the young, another one. Yeah, like, speaks to the young. To the kids, man.

You know. They always say this is a young man's game, right? So who's, us as elders? What are we teaching the young people? We can't, it's a young man's game, but we have a responsibility as a, if I'm a parent, I ain't going to tell my kid,

yo, feed yourself. Then you, we'll be having for dinner. Nigger, you figure it out. I got to make sure you get the nutrients. You got eating a full, healthy food group. So he could grow big and strong. We, these are our babies. We shun our babies.

Ah, I ain't fucking with that. We ain't fucking with that. Like, go figure it out on your own. So when they do, when they all in disarray and fucked up and the only niggies around is the OGs who's trying to do negative shit. Yeah, we got to look at ourselves at some point. That's what I'm saying.

Who's for the young ones? Who's for the babies? But it ain't us, then who? Because we are the elders. We're the eldest statesmen of our community. Yeah. My child. it's me talking to God again

like saying please don't let my child go through the shit I went through I don't want my son going I had a 14 year old son right now and I think of myself at 14 I think of you and you 14 we came through up through Highland and Tri-on D-F-Y

and we was getting we was getting there was already prepping us for prison when we was 12, 13 years old right so by time when you go through DFY by time you make it up no nigga that shit is cake wall

because you know how to bid He didn't go through Spalford. Then they send you to a one of them, D.F.I. The Pryon, a highland, or anything is this. And then, Harlem Valley. And then the next thing you know, you were in the big house. But you feel like, shit, this is just a graduation. It's like going from high school to prison, going from DFI.

So you go in there, you see other DFY kids and shit. You've been ready, like, yo, son, what up, son? We're in the yard. We smoking weed. We cut, we're cutting. And this shit is like, damn, this shit is like normal to us. And I'm looking at my son now. I couldn't fathom my son being in old green or cack's

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the internet on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Thank y'all for this again, man. This shit is big to me. What you were saying, Buck? What's you saying? No, I said that changes. Yeah. Like the table's turns from when we was young and we grown and it's like what we want for the kids it's like to do their thing and it's like

it's happening. Right. You know? These kids are smart waste. The thing with technology did they have, that's why I got so many young millionaires. These kids are making so much money. When you look like a guy like a cost to not and see how much money he's making...

Big up Kassana. Yeah, big up Kachan. And he's positive. He's positive. He's a very pot He's a good Like if my son looked up to him I'd be happy Like

Because you know He's a young kid He caught Wale Off guard But other than that What's a That's a What the fuck was that

What the fuck was that? What nigga they know What did you That came through Miami He did I show speed I show speed Yeah

He came through Miami Shout out to him as well Shout out to I like that kid Right See I don't even know this kid But he's He erased anybody

This motherfucker A monkey This nigga do 85 back flips In the road I'm like, this little athletic motherfucker's cool, bro. And they got to

we bring the audience with them. Yeah, they do. Let's go with no witness. No witness. Me and my man, Benny the butcher. That's like, I kind of bought Benny in the game outside of Griselda,

his cousins and him. But Benny was the first person did his first radio interview. I sent him to see Static Selector. He came, my man bought him. My man was up north with him. I got this kid from Buffalo.

And I remember them Buffalo niggas up north was nice. So I'm like, He's from Buffalo? I'm like, I want to hear him. Usually you're like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm a buffalo, nigga. I'm like, let me hear this nigga. Because up north, the niggas was getting busy.

So I'm like, so he bought him. He's like, his name is Benny. It was just best ever in New York. That's what his name stood for. He called Benny the Butcher. And it was best ever in New York. Those ain't? B, N, N, N, Y.

So I met him and I heard him rap. I said, yo, I called Static Select. I said, yeah, I just met this kid. And because Static, like, people come up on his radio show on rap. I said, you got to have him up here. Static was like, what's his name? I'm like, Benny.

He's like, a nigger named Benny? I'm not fucking with it. I'm like, trust me, Static. This nigger is going. Static didn't say nigger, okay? No, no, no, no. Saigon. I don't know.

I know I got in that age. That's another one of my brothers, man. Static is a real one. And, yeah, and I sent him up there, and he went up there and did what he did. And then I went, when he got with his cousin, who started Griselda already, and I watched his career. flourish. I was so proud. Like, I always knew West Side Gun. Yeah, West Side Gunn.

I was like, yo, I knew it. Because, yeah, you saw it. It was about, it was about a skill set. It wasn't about no gimmick. He ain't have a fancy shirt on and no shit like that. The niggas just could rap. Right. You know what I'm saying? He can rap, man. Yeah, Benny rap his eyes off. All of them nays

rap. Yeah, Conway, too. Conway, Rome, Street. All of niggas is beast. You know, ransom? Ran is a, rancers on album. He's a, like, he's a total beast. Yeah, Rand Bennett Beach, since Rand and Hitchcock, like, when Clue had them. Yep. Like, a lot of these guys get their second win, and I love seeing that.

Because Benny's first, Tant Talk 2 was in 2004. That's for my first thing. That's how long this kid. When I found out he was rapping for that long, I'm like, yo, you had a mixtape in 04, 20-something years ago. Wow. That's like, when my first mixtape came up, he was like, yeah, but I was in Buffalo. So now that niggas in the city was in hearing us, you know what I'm saying? But in Buffalo, I was killing shit.

I was like, damn. Consistency, perseverance, like, it's going to get the show. Let's go to 2000 and now. That's just some hip-hop. Yeah. So, explain this for me. Yeah, because it was timeless, because we did it so long ago. And Q-Tip said, never say the year.

What song is that on? Q-Tip, be like, never say the year. Like, don't say the year did you in. Oh, wow. I forgot the name of the songs. Yeah, I know what you got it going on from one of tribe albums. He says, never say the year in your songs because you date you date it, right? You're dating it.

So I was like, fuck it. But it's 2,000 and now. Like, now is right the present. People think the album is new. Like, you know, yourselves, like, yo, it's a new album. It's like, and it's actually kind of old, but it's like, it's got its repetition. Right. You know, it's staying power.

I was even debating with the fact, like, should I tell people that we did it that long ago? Or should I just let them assume that they're not. but to me it's kind of like a testament in how music has staying power I can go listen to certain albums or certain music not just hip-hop from any genre and it's the feeling I get a feeling

and once I could like some and I can feel some it's two different shits I like I like this shit but I don't feel it I like it but I don't feel it like they shit like I said when I went to put myself in danger

to go hear T-O-N-Y that's because whenever that song come on right now right I feel like oh my God Either for do a crime or I'm going to fucking

house. I'm chilling or I'm about to go do some dumb shit and it's just that feeling and the nigs and it's a feeling

you get that's why when you talk about ill-matic or ready to die I love that's the power of music man power of music

yeah okay but let's take it as a toxic love that's one of my favorite songs on the album because I think we all been in

one of situations where the sex is keeping us around longer than we should be there. I know you're a married man, so it's probably Yeah, I had a life before. Yeah, before you're married and shit, but anybody's man. You know what this man, shoddy was the good box, and you're like, damn, I shouldn't

need, and you know she might like you. She won't more than that, so you're going to play the game just to get the box. So for that week, you're going to pretend like you like this bitch, like, how you been shorty? She's like, happy to hear from you. And you know your plan is just the fuck. And once you fuck, you probably won't call her again for three months. So I'm like, so the whole shit is like, all right, let's shorty go find a good nigga, bro.

Don't be that toxic nigga, bro. So it's more so about us. So it's the men that's toxic. Yeah, it's us. It's us. Yeah. All right, so 187.4 FM, DJ Titty Touch. That's a skit.

On my first album, we played off Dr. Dre and him, which is just the idea. DJ Titty Titty Touching. That's his right, easy dick. That's his right hand, man. And my, I'm DJ Titty to like, so we just played off that to keep the continuity of the album with Josh and the album with Buck. Okay. Bair necessities.

I love that song too. It's just saying we don't need as much as we think we do. A lot of this gluttony shit, what the fuck is a nigga going to do with $100 million? Like, that shit is a lot of money, man. I want it, though. I want it, too, but I probably give it right. I probably give it away. I probably give it away.

I probably give it away. I probably don't need it, but. I probably give it away. bro. Because after you, you don't drove every car, like he said. What else is there? You don't... I haven't drove every car. I got a lot more working at Duke.

He's like, I look at that Bugatti. I was like that $2 million. But you know what that car going to do is going to get you to A to B, bro? Yeah, exactly. It's going to do the same shit that Camry does. Exactly. It just looked nice. You know what I noticed? You know what I noticed? It was a guy, I believe

he was accounting. And he said he had to stop buying. gifts for his rewards because that's deep. Like, so every time you win, you buy yourself a gift.

You buy yourself again again. And he's like, he's like, he spoiled himself so much. Yeah. That it wasn't about the work. It was about the gift. It gets. And I was just like, I don't know.

You ever see them hoarder shows where people will just keep crazy? People become hoarders of money. Yeah, yeah. Like they don't have no purpose to why they have it. They just want a bunch of it. I mean, you got a thing.

What can, what can you do with a billion dollars? Exactly, bro. What the fuck you're going to do? Like, there's countries that don't even have a big dog. Exactly, old countries. Why do you need this kind of money? For what?

And then you don't do shit. I need to find out why that we need it. What are you willing to do? I don't know. What are you willing to do? That's the thing. What are you willing? Are you willing to?

That's not even no crazy shit. Yeah, yeah. Are you willing to say, fuck what's going to hinder me from getting that, even though it's the right. thing to do, like speaking up and saying certain things, especially when you have a voice. So that's why they call these

kids influencers now, right? Oh, he's an influencer. He got this many followers. You got a million followers. He's an influencer. Think about a rapper who 100 million people who love and look up to. You're an influencer on steroids, nickers. So whatever you tell people to do, they're going to

do it. Tell you something. And I'm glad you brought that up. The other day, you know, you follow your algorithms. And I'm, what, what, one point, one point something, million. I saw three fucking females that never did the war report. They never fought fast in square garden. Never, never did let them go something like this.

Three, four million, they don't got, they don't got, by the way, I'm just looking at the aisle with us, I'm clicking on this shit. That's crazy. All three of them don't even talk. That's what that matters in the end of the day, man. They don't even talk, sir. You know, like, I really got accolades. I really got shit.

Yeah, you did a lot. You touched it. Oh, my God. If this woman or these women were to see me on the street, she would look at me like, I ain't shit. Yeah, like you did it. Like, who? He only got 1.6. Word.

That's real shit. Like, they don't even look at, yeah, the numbers, that numbers lie, though. Numbers do lie. Dying never goes out of style. Shout to ransom, man. You know what song I was trying to channel when I made that song? Yeah, nobody. No, my bad.

No, it's close. My bad. Remember, um, little ghetto, boy. Yeah, living in the ghetto street. I just bought the original record. What you want to do when you grow up? So I'm like, damn, because he's talking to the kids, so I'm telling the young kid, like,

dying ever goes out of style. Like, nigger, niggers, you could die. Like, that's one thing. Life and death so you think, okay, I'm going to be out here in these streets, and I'm going to end up someone. and ultimately in life, nigger, you probably going to end up

in a box, either the pine box or the box with the gates, with the balls in front of it. Because you're setting yourself up for failure. And when I say dying ever goes out of style, that means the grim reaper's waiting, he's collecting. You don't care how much money you got, you don't care what color you are. If you play

stupid games, you're going to win stupid-ass prizes. And that's just how the shit go. That's why a lot of these kids, one thing we talk about rappers dying one thing they all, most of them, not all of them, but 95% of them had in common that they was all in gangs. They were all gang affiliated. See what I'm saying? When you sign up for that

shit, when you sign up to go to a gang and this whole shit that's going on with the snitch and shit, right? Me and I know he from a time where if a nigger was a snitch, you're supposed to handle that. You're supposed to handle business. He didn't even just talk about it. Yo, this thing is a toll and let him walk by.

Snitches get stitches. You're supposed to get with it. You're supposed to be willing to risk, if we're really playing by street rules, you're supposed to be willing to risk your freedom to do something to that guy because he's a snitch. If you live in that life. If you live in that life. So don't, you can't be halfway

with it. A nigga would be like, he totally just let him walk by. What are you going to do about it? Like, when it's like, yo, um, he came in the room and it's like, yo, he would chew? Like, yo, you know. Oh, that story. That story's hilarious. That was the

funny story in the internet. That was the funniest story. Yeah. And the way He said, yo, nigger recoiled this. It was like a fly to there. Yeah, I said, nigga fist this. Now, that was the funniest in the world, but. So, um, so let's talk about, uh. Let's talk about artificial love.

Yeah, that's just a skit, another skit. And the right, I call it an artificial love because I use AI. AI, yeah, I do this. Yeah, yeah, I did, yeah, I did. I used it, AI skit to talk about what I, I, I typed it in. but I use the AI voice because it's artificial was fake

I'm saying all this love that niggas that should be there it's a lot of fake even with us in this industry nigger's smiling your face

yeah yeah hug you to death nigger show you his back teeth and then you call the nigga one thing about NO

I hit NO I hit NO even if I don't like the reply he hit me back your son but I got you

I tell you got you got you said but it's always going he's always going he's going to let you know I'm tapped in

and I'm sorry I'm Sine like fucking hole one of them niggas. He can easily curb me like fuck this nigga. But that's the real, real niggins do real things. And that's one of the little shit Bia ever said. That's why I wish he would have more time on this earth. Real niggas do real things.

I used to love when real niggas do real thing. And not to use the end, but real people do real shit. You know what I'm saying? So is there any love in the world? Shout to my boy, my son. Like I had to go to my son. I had to take it to my son on some. real black man shit.

You know what I'm saying? This is a real... That's why I call paint the world black. I just care about my people. I care about everybody, but I think we need the most help. Because we haven't figured it out yet. And all we've been through is the people and we're still here. Yeah, we got everything we need to be like Asians

or like Jews, like build our own communities. And we still got ghettos, bro. In 2025. That shit doesn't make sense. But it has to have all these resources and we still got ghettos. Like we still... I was doing some shit. This was just like 2022. So I was doing some shit with my man

Larry Meister's the dude to produce belly and all that shit. So he's a football coach as well. So he's like Saigon. The kids love you. I want you to come with me in Newark to come coach these kids and football. You know, I like football and shit. So these kids, we go in there coaching these kids. First of all,

they walk past gang members every day. We got to stop gang members from fucking trying to recruit these niggas. Like, yo, son pick up a flag. You know what I'm saying? So that's one thing. He's white. So he's He needs me to be the blackface to be like, yo, because I could talk to someone and we're like, let the nigga come to practice, bro.

Like, stop trying to make the nigga gang bang. And it'd be some of their big brothers and all that shit to the point where Newark is a tough town. You feel like you got to get it on with some of these niggas. I'm like, yo, fan, we just trying to do right. No, I find myself in them situations. So what fuck me up is like, this is Newark. Like, Shaq's from Newark, Queen Latvah's from Newark.

Not to, like, put the light on them. But the school had to forfeit. games because they couldn't afford the proper equipment to play against other schools that had up, so they had the forfeit games. They had a forfeit gang. So they had to forfeit a football game. Yeah,

because they weren't equipped. Their equipment wasn't up to Paul. So I'm like, oh, they had to cut the budget. They cut the, I'm like, no, we don't need the, we got, we come together, we got this. We can't afford fucking football uniforms for these kids in 20, 23, 20, and

and the schools that they want to play, they want to play. These kids want to get out the street. They want to play football, but they can't even play. So that's a deterrent. That's going to make you be like, fuck the, what's the point of me playing? We can't even play. I'm nice and I can't even play because we can't afford helmets. Fuck it. I'm going to go join the

Crips. Like, the shit is bugged out. And we don't speak up enough as the people as a, as a, I hate that word, community because we ain't got no unity. You can't say community without unity. To you have unity, you don't have a community. That's just it.

The gay's the LBGT, they got a community. Fuck with them if you want to, digger. The Jews got a community. Everybody got a community. We call our shit the hip-hop community, the black community. We got neighborhoods. We don't got communities. That's why we say the hood.

I'm from the hood. We don't say I'm from the community. Because, you don't, you beef, you're shooting at the nigga who live across the street. Right. Yeah. You got beef with the nigga who live across the street from you. How is that a community? Would you ever do reality TV again?

No, never. Never? Unless I can control the edit and tell what I need And tell the story I want to tell I would never do that again Because the edit We have a different bottom line If it's a different like subject

What if it's like you speaking to the youth I still got to see the edit Because they want to fight If their goal is going to be to get viewers They're going to use drama somehow They're going to make something dramatic So what made you start thinking like that Oh my experience

Yeah love hip hop Because you know my baby mom Yeah Yeah, chill, chill, chill, relax. I'm sorry, Erica, because it's been cool right now. You've been doing good. But, yeah, so what made you think? What made you think like that?

I love this thing, though. You said, chill, too, relax. You got to relax. Well, no, what made you think like that? What experience in love and hip-hop? It was the edit, because everything that they was doing didn't actually happen. You know what I'm like, oh, y'all mean, then what? You're having an agenda.

I'm going to give you an example. Like, on a reunion show. Right. There was a time where me and hers, we both telling us out of the story. Okay. And every time I would try to talk, she would cut me off. Yo, because she didn't want no dirt on her name. So I'd be like, I don't wholly know this girl.

Me and this girl never been, we have a kid, but we never even, we went to dinner one time. I'm like, let me tell the story. Every time I try to tell a story, she'll cut me off, she cut me off, she cut me off, she cut me off, right? So I'm like, cool, you keep cutting me off. I'm going to let you talk because you must have more to say. I'm not going to interrupt you one time. I let her speak. She sits there and tells her side of our story.

I sit here and let her get all of it out. So I said, can I talk now? It's the reunion show. Can I speak now? She's like, all right, go ahead. So I go to speak and tell my side of the story. Erica, what about how about she cut me a couple? So then I go, I get frustrated.

So I'm like, shut the fuck, shut up. Shut up. Let me talk. When they aired it, That's how to say, yeah, I should try to say one word and I was like, yo, that's not what I'm fucking having. You know? I was like, that's some bullshit.

So now everybody was like, he's an asshole, he's a piece of shit. I'm like, yo, they just showed me trying to be like, yo, can I get a word in? Like, dude's that what happened. So when they aired it, she went to talk and she was like a damsel in distress. Like, you know, when I be trying to talk to Brian, shut the fuck off, bitch. I look like I ain't going sterile.

I'm like, oh, hell, no. I said, I can't fuck with this. But that was just a reunion show. Did you put it as they violated you on the actual show? Did they, you know what? Yeah, because what happened was, they was fuck with me at first. But once they seen that me and her,

that's why Stevie J was smart. He started saying, fuck it, I'm going to play the game. I'm going to start making silly little faces. And I'm going to be a womanizer. The niggas is womanizers. A lot of niggas is womanizers. And they know that.

But when you put a womanizer on the show where the demographic is 97% women and watch that shit, we didn't go home and run home and watch love and hip hop. It was girls. Right. Females. So they're like, oh, we can make niggas look any kind of way. Right.

And, you know, that's what they were doing. Like, fuck it. It's going to get us ratings. It's going to make him look like shit. It's going to make the girl look good. Let's do it. Yeah. It's got a formula.

I love loving hip hop I know you did I love watching it Still? Yeah No I haven't been watching The new season Yeah

They got like love and hip hop Ohio now Like they got all kind of shit Oh shit I wanted to go to love and hip hop Nebraska Yeah they got that shit Probably

Moena Mona don't even own it No She never owned it That was the crazy shit Oh shit But she's She see

I wasn't physically there But I seen it through online I believe she's working With Buster again And I seen I seen them both Looking so happy

together That's fire You know what I mean It's almost like you're Violator, like Chris Lighty was looking down. Remember, I was on Violator. I hated being on Violet because y'all niggas, him again, them niggas. I love being on Violator. Him.

You know, I hated it. Because, you know, Moaning's office was over there. Chris had the big shit. Niggas like me, they was giving me wrong, do love. You're gonna let do love handle your shit. Oh, I was saying, I was doing my brother. They were putting the niggas on me. I'm like, I can't talk to Chris today.

Oh, Chris is busy with bus, with Norrie, with L.L. Those are Missy's here. So I'm like, bro, like, when do I get, sit down with Coxie, at least talk to Mona? Nah, Mona. Mona's visiting with this or the... So I'm like, do love again? Yeah, you got to talk to do you know.

She had a holladled at Claudine Joseph. Oh, Corrine was people. Lori Dubbins. Yeah, Lori, I know, I like them. They was trying to help me. They was like, yo, don't worry. Keep going. You're going to put me on your shit.

You was unvioleted, though. I was happy with that. I got that V. I was like, I'm going to buy. Violator, baby Chris. I was, oh, man. It depends, like, who, like, your fraction, and it's like, and who you with. Right.

Like, as a producer, like, coming down to Violator, you'd be, like, yo, you know what? Yo, just come here. It's like, don't take it nowhere else. The small friction and big part of shit. That happened to me before Violator. I'm going to tell you when I was on Entourage, you ever heard of the firm as a management company in L.A. They only do Holly, they only do

So, top of the line Actors and A-listers So, because I was on entourage These motherfuckers came and signed me So I'm like, damn I'm signing to the firm This big ass So I'm like, what other hip?

Well, I noticed these niggas They ain't know what they was doing So they was like, we got two other rappers I'm like, who are they? They're like, Snoop Dog and Ice Cube I said, what the fuck? So you don't got, I command the Snoop Dog Bigger, I can pick up anybody

I didn't be like, yo, I got Snoop dog. I'm like, so that's the reason why y'all niggins don't even picking up my call. Like, well, Snoop, Ice Cube, and Saigon, we're the only three urban acts on this whole company. And I told

I said, I got to get the fuck out. I need one of them niggas is going pound a pavement with me. I'm like, I'm an underground. They only cared about entourage. Like, this is my fucking might be a big actor one day. I'm like, nah, I'm a underground rapper, bro. Like, I still want to rap. Like, fuck this shit. This is cool, But I want to rap.

So then I went from there to Violator. And then it was another little fish in the big palm. So I'm like, this all over again. Because it went from Snoop Dogging him to these niggins. Like, Norrie and Capone. I'm like, shit. Different same thing. Same shit.

No attention. But I was just happy to be around that energy, though. And say I was a part of this history. No, to be a part of Violator. Yeah, it was part of history, bro. Even working with, like, I got a JZ verse, bro. I'm about to ask you, when was the first time, He took your beat.

Oh, shit. He took mad beats. Who was the first one? First one, I think, was not Kingdom Come. It was probably show me what you got. Show me what you got. Now, you're supposed to get that up. That wasn't you.

I know, I know. It wasn't totally mad. And you know what? It wasn't totally not. You were supposed to act like you was mad? I wasn't mad. Yeah, yeah. You're supposed to act like you know?

I was more mad to just. But you had verses on that already? Nah, no. I wasn't any. You're in the style? Yeah, it would have. Even Kingdom Cund didn't work. Because I couldn't come.

I couldn't figure it out. I was trying. This is when I wanted. That nigga just kept. To me, that's like one of my least. I don't even think Jay bodied it like that. I can get rid of that, Jay. If Jay, that's what you got.

Kingdom coming and then. Come on, baby. The one. So the last one he took, he put a verse on it. And then he was like, yo, I'm about to take some others. She said, I was like, son. But he was like, nah, I'm going to give you that verse. You can keep that half of verse I put on the other shit.

Right. Because if you listen to the song, he don't even finish. They can tell, like, the nigga didn't. Damn, that's how valuable the vocal is. Yeah, that niggum voice was enough. I said, you could take, he's like, I got a piece of him. Yeah. Now, he killed it, but you could tell he didn't go in.

He didn't go in 15. He didn't go in 15. And they gave me 14 and a half ball. Hey, man. A lot of people can't say they got an old word. Yeah, nah, but yeah, and I still play that shit to people today. Like, you never heard this, Jay Verk. You're right, I never heard it.

I'm like, damn, niggas did me. And you know what's funny? I want to say shout to Ebro, because I realized last time I was on here, I was very hard on Ebro. And I was, I hated them at the time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. And I think that was just me and my feelings because at the time, we were friends, and I felt like.

You were friends. Yeah, I felt like. I thought we were more friends than I guess, like the industry shit than we were, because when he banned me from 197, like, you're familiar. Yeah. What did you get banned for? The prodigy shit. Oh, okay, because that happened.

That was an S-O-P? Yeah, Hight 97 event. Yeah, Monday night. Something like that, okay. So they, but they banned me for a whole year. I'm like, nobody got hurt. Nobody got shot. And I just think I carried this animosity for so long because I thought we were friends.

But on drink champs today, Ebro. Thank you for everything. did do for me and thank you for being when you all, cool, you was cool. And, you know what I'm saying? That's right. I probably spoke to Evo this morning. That's great.

So Buck, is there anything you want to say before we get up out of here to your fans? Please, man. Nah. I don't accept my God. Holy shit. Digging in a craze, man. So up that shit.

So I'm going to go get the album? Yes, please go get the album. man, it's like, yo, you're going to be surprised, man. Like, you'll be full, you'll be full, you know what I'm saying? And I got more to come. Good. And Buck did A.Z's last album. That's right. That's right. A lot of people

slept on that album. A.Z.'s last album, he produced the whole thing. And that's some of AZ's best work to me. What label that came on on? It was independent. Hood Records. Hood Records? Okay. But it was

Indies. Like you said, the hood records. Not knowing how to promote, and it's like, I'll be like, yo, you know what? You got to promote market at this time. It's like, we got to do another project. It's singles. First single, second single. It's street records.

And it's like, this will be more structured. You know what I'm saying? It's the right way. So if you want to get people's attention, you have to get the attention the right way. All right. All right. See, I'm making another one you're saying. You're A.

Yeah. Oh, wow. I don't know that. Oh, okay. That's why you ain't meant to send me no beats. Now I know I ain't been getting on no beats since his old music. Like about fucking 500 samples. Like, well.

You're about the kill. Yeah. Now, he's crazy. And I want to thank you. You did a join on my album another time. Oh, no doubt. We got Royce, O.C., your old Drew, Rex. That's my favorite joint on the album.

You still put. new projects or no i mean i'm working on some stuff yeah please like don't stop and know like you were one of them boys bro listen man i'm like you hold hold hold on you it's about you it's about you but i'm a fan bro i want some norie shit thank you think you think i appreciate that but is anything you want to say to your fans or to your people um before we get up i just want to say everybody go get ever more arcade y i know i'm in the tech world i do a lot of shit like okay ever more arc is a new app music my way go download the app and um like i got some If you're an artist and you really want to get to your fan base,

you don't need to go platinum to make money. All you need is a good 3,000 fans to fuck with you, and you can make a living off his music. That's what the best platform is? Yeah. Okay. And Evermore Arcade, we got another shout to my man. I ain't going to say his last name because the last time I did.

You went in on him. I did. Yeah. His last name was for two for hours. Yeah. Seaman. Seaman. Sayman.

Hey, Mike Seamin. Yeah. Stop the bullshit. I was talking about it. Evermore arcade now, but it's like you play games and you win money. So the way he got to set up is like, I heard of this. I heard of this. The way he got to set up is Evermore. So it's really for like underprivileged people who got phones.

Right. And they could play games so they can earn, legitly earn real money. So if you win Africa, some third world country and you don't got no money, all you got to do is because he's an advertising genius. Right. So he's like, they don't have to pay a nickel. And all they got to do is sit on here and play these. games and it generates them real money.

So Evermore, shout out to Shaq for bringing up Evermore. Shout to Shaquille O'Neal, too, man. Who is a great guy. And shout out to you, Norie, man. Shout to, shout to, yeah. Take it the picture. Yeah, yeah.

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