Drink Champs - Episode 493 w/ Mike WiLL Made-It

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Mike WiLL Made-It! Mike WiLL Made-It steps into the Drink Champs arena and delivers an episode in hitmaking, hustle, and Southern influence. From crafting chart-topping records to shaping the sound of a generation, Mike WiLL breaks down his journey from behind-the-boards grinder to one of the most respected producers in the game. He taps into his early inspirations, studio discipline, and the mindset it takes to consistently create anthems for artists across genres.  The conversation gets real as he shares stories about working with heavyweights, navigating the music industry, and maintaining longevity in a fast-changing culture. N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN keep the energy flowing with classic Drink Champs vibes—drinks poured, laughs loud, and gems dropped throughout. Mike WiLL also reflects on the business side of music, ownership, and how he’s built his brand beyond production.  This episode is more than just stories—it’s a blueprint for producers, creatives, and anyone chasing greatness. With authenticity, insight, and a few wild moments in between, Mike WiLL Made-It proves why his name isn’t just a tag—it’s a stamp of excellence. Make some noise for Mike WiLL Made-It!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com   Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What a good beat. I'm doing this one of the subpoet. It's your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A-A. What up is DJ EFN? And this is a military, crazy raw podcast. Drink champs, you have a lot. Man, when me and EFN started this out, we said we want to give people their flowers

or they can smell them. They thoughts why they can tell them. And they drinks why they can drink them. This man is an icon. This man is a legend. This man has made all. of the classic records for the past years in your radio, in your... I'm old school, so I was going to say cassette.

I'm sorry. He ain't making cassettes again, so they don't have your cassette, too. This man is a legend of legend. We've been wanting to give him his flowers. We want me to tell him they did a legendary versus just now. And we are going to give him his flowers today. make sure that he understands what he means to hip-hop

and in case you don't know who the fuck we're talking about we're talking about the one only impeccable motherfucker fucking Mike Wilson I can have kept going on but I wanted to keep going I want to I have never done

a versus right I've been offered to do a versus but I've never done it how does it feel coming off a verse is man it's

dope I look at that I look at that versus like like playing 2K or like you know what I'm saying or like

even playing golf you know what I'm picking up golf a lot lately you know what I'm saying but it's like that you got to dial in your game

you got to stick to your game and you got to just hopefully end up on top you know what I'm saying and whoever you go against you got to have your method and you got to have your game you know what I'm saying

like on how you going, you know what I'm saying, utilize your catalog or whatnot. And then it's like, when you get done, it's like, I feel like, you know, versus, that's the, like, what Swizz and Timbo created right there. It's like, that's like a winner circle. That's like a, you got to be a winner to even get on versus, first of all. So it can't be no loser, you know what I'm saying? And then you got to know that the person that you're going up against, like, against, you know what saying on the verses it's like this is another goat so anytime if you slip up on your strategy you know what

saying it could be a slippery slope you know what I'm saying so it's like you got to have your game dialed in and that's why it says like golf because it's like if you're going for par for it's or par for you know what I'm saying you hit it over there in the woods you're going to have to clean it up you got to you know what I'm saying you still got to make your way there and get part you know what I'm saying because at the end of the end of that that hole right there it's going to be like man what what you get, you know what I'm saying? If you, if you're a bogey or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Your clean-up shot might be, your drive might be ass, but your cleanup shot might be,

you know what I'm saying, the shot, but it's like, I don't know, it's just, it's just dope because, I mean, at the end of the day, like, you can always look back and be like, damn, I could have did this different or could have did that different. Like, you know what I'm saying? When you play golf, when you play NBA 2K, like, you're always like, damn, I know I know I lost because of this in this game right here, but you know what I'm saying? I'm not a loser. I can got down, get back on the sticks, and we can run it back or whatever.

you feel me. And somebody like, hit boy, he got a hell of a catalog. Yes, he does. Yeah,

so it's like... That was a crazy match of. Yeah. I enjoyed... I'm sorry, let me know if you're finished. I enjoyed that so much. Yeah, I was just saying

like, man, he got a hell of a catalog, and it's like, it's not easy for no producer to getting them, getting on stage with him and do like a versus, you know what I'm saying?

All right. So, yeah. You know, you know what I love about versus. This is the thing about it, is, um, it kind of started with Swiss and and Tim, right?

Yeah. And I love the fact that y'all kept the tradition going. Yeah. Like when I saw y'all, I was like, oh, shit. I seen y'all having fun on stage. I've seen y'all together. Right. I'm happy to California, correct?

Yeah. So when you got the first call, what was that thought process? It was crazy because it's like, man, me and Swiss, we've been talking about doing the verses for a minute, and then we're just trying to figure out, like, who would be like a good matchup. Was it always against hit boy? No, it was just like, it was a couple of names, like, throwing out there, but I was just like, man, like, I'm with it.

Because I really wanted, like, because I'm 36. I really wanted, like, wanted somebody that I grew up, like, looking up to, you know what I'm saying? Because it's like, I still feel like my 20's strong no matter what. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, no, for it. You know what I'm saying? And I'd rather, like, going there like, man, yo, this dude going to get washed up. Wait, hold on.

So you're saying you wanted to battle. somebody else stakes man? Yeah. Oh, really? Like a DJ Premier? But, yeah, like anybody. Okay. Like, I was just thinking, like, on some, like, just knowing, like, exactly what I was

saying, like, okay, this would be my method. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I got different ways I can go. He was confident in your catalog. Yeah, I got different ways I can go in this catalog. You know what I'm saying? If it was to go this way, that way, this way, that way, you know what I'm saying? So it was just like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, if you go to the basketball court and you know you can hoot you, like, man. I want to, I want to, I want to bother. Like how Amp Man, I always say he won the Brian. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like... You want the battle Kobe. But at the same time, it's dope because me and Hit Boy had so many hits around the same time. So it was dope.

That was a dope-ass matchup. You know what I'm saying? But me and Swiss have been talking about it for like, for like a few years. Like, who were lined up? And I'm like, man, I'm with it. Like, man, I'm with that. Like, that's a dope. That's a dope platform.

Because a lot of times some people know that I did this, this and that. But they don't know I did. that in this, you know what I'm like to be able to play all my songs at one time, you know what I'm saying, on the platform, I'm like, man, that'll be, that'll be dope. So, um, that was like a couple years ago. Then randomly Jimmy Iveen just, you know what I'm saying, text, uh, me, swizzing, you know what I'm saying? And Timberlin and was like, man, are we doing the burses or what?

You know what I'm saying? And then, and then that's how they all. Big up Jimmy Avian. Yeah, we just all. I talked about it right there and the group text right there and it was like, and then they were like, man, shit,

Grammy weekend, we're gonna bring the producers back. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, we're trying to figure out who down. Like, man, you're down. Okay, boom. Hit Boy just said he down. Man, I'm like, shit, let's run it.

Like, that's dope. So here's my one thing, right? Was what made you agree to doing it in California? I was doing it wherever, man. I ain't gonna lie because. Because Hit Boys from California. California. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And that's kind of like home court advantage. No, for real. So for you, I was like, I would have thought that you would have said, man, let's do this in the A. We can't, we can't do it in a. Why? You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, that's like. I just looked at your face.

No, like, real, like, the A is like, that's like actual home. Like, it's like, that shit meant, like, you thought it was turned up. Like, in that room. Like, man, them song actually means something, right? Like, you feel like me? Like, that's what the seed is, like, you know what I'm saying? Planted. But I just felt like I always were doing it wherever just because, like, man, man, this vibration, this shit traveled.

I don't know when that shit was like, like, so local. But, like, that vibration has traveled. So, like, man, we could do it in Paris. Right. You know what I went up? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like. I tell you this.

When you say that. and I'm going to say this to you and it's going to hurt me. Why? Is this the South shit again? It's the South shit again. But it was a time when y'all, y'all going back and forth. A hit boy plays a Nas record.

And the Nas record did not go up at all. Like, I was so mad. And then I had to realize that sometimes us in New York, we really did think what y'all thought you know what we thought we thought we were the shit and it did not

yeah we all we all we all but when I seen that I was like damn Norrie I was like this was the first time I was like fuck because it's a conversation

we have a lot because I'm from Miami he's from New York and we have this conversation that like in the early 90s when I was coming up doing stuff New York had the lock on the whole hip-hop industry, and it was hard to break through that,

the A&Rs, the labels, everybody was New York-centric. And that's why when Andre says the South got something to say, that resonated, and then, you know, the South, obviously. I mean, it's all about, like, evolution, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I feel like it was a time where, like, the West Coast was them, like, the Mecca and hip-hip and, like, the sound. Like, everybody's sound was, like, West Coast, driven.

And then it was like the Mecca Hip Hop is in like New York. You know what I'm saying? And then you got you got the whole music industry in the Mecca hip hop in New York and then you got a whole bunch of like businessmen and like hustlers like starting all these different labels

and starting all these different boutique labels. And there's so much culture and so much energy in New York. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that shit just a line. You know what I'm saying? It was just like that was like that renaissance. And then it's like boom, like when Andre said that, that was like, kicking the door open, you know what I'm saying?

Then it's like, it's been so many different, you know what I'm saying? Like, people that put the city on their back and like just, and like just like, like, bus it's through the doors, you know what I'm saying? On the sound and it's like, man, it's like, man, we just, I just know this is like a new Renaissance. It's like, you know what I'm saying? And I got to hold it down too. It's like the Mecca hip hop is in Atlanta now.

You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go ahead and say it. I'm going to go ahead say it. I'm sorry. New York, but Atlanta, y'all are running hip pop. And ain't, and

ain't nothing wrong with that. Like, even when Even when the Mecca hip hop was in New York, you know what I'm saying? There was so many, it was so many people from Atlanta that we went to New York and, you know what saying? You know what I'm saying?

And so now the Mecca down there, it's like, it's like the Super Bowl being here and the Super Bowl being there and the Super, you know what I like that? That's a great analogy. You know what I'm saying? Like, the world. cup like you know what I'm gonna go ahead say it now I don't say that because when somebody else comes

you switch up on me so don't even start that shit yeah because you know because one thing you know about it like New York got too much energy you know what I like that New York got too much energy too much culture so it's somebody out there you know what I'm saying now they just need like man sometimes folks just be needing the guidance so they just mean

like the right producer and they just got to be with creating the right way, like, look at Cash Cobain, like, you know what I'm saying? I love him. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, they whole wave, you know what I'm saying? Like, their whole wave is like, it's just like a new wave. It's like they're being original, you know what I'm saying? Even when Pop Smoke came through, there's so many, so much energy that then came from New York. And it's the birthplace of hip-hop. You'll never be able to take that away from you. Oh, now you're holding us down?

I've always said that. Yeah. That's what the whole point was we all wanted to be like New York when it was the mech of, you know, of hip-hop. We all were emulating New York. Y'all were the ones like, nah. Y'all, y'all sound bad money. Y'all try keeping a nigga out, like, man, with them South niggas, man. Now y'all got to come down here and y'all like it down here. You know what I'm saying? You like, my bad, bro.

My bad for do y'all like that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, yeah. Let's make some noise of hip-hop. I appreciate the accountability, man. No, no, no, no. He's not going to be accountable later, man. When you leave and somebody else.

And then like, yo, be. I'm proud to be. I'm proud to be from New York. You go like, man, you saw the verses. Like, why didn't nobody, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't feel like this song got the right response. Like, you know what I'm saying? Nah, I ain't gonna lie.

When you, when that nine song played and the crowd didn't erupt like that, I kind of was like, to myself, I was like, damn, I got to like, look at reality. No, but she's, nah, that, That ain't, that ain't fair, though, because at the same time, there's a whole world where when he played that, man, that shit is erupted. You know what I'm saying? It's interrupting for me, but I'm looking around.

I was like, what the fuck? That's what I'm saying? But it's just the room. Like, you know what I'm saying? Could have been certain songs that I might have played that might have been too this way, and the room might not a move. You know what I'm saying? But I knew at that time, it's like, man, I'm playing my catalog with hip-boy catalog. I know he got hits.

You know what I'm going to go hits where I'm going to go. I'm going to still go underground. You know what I'm going to balance it out. You feel me? So it's like, it's just a different technique. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So God comes down right now.

God says, Mike, well, you got one record to make. To save humanity. And you got one feature. What artist you'll pick it? To save humanity. Now, this don't got to be no positive record. Raw or negative. record. Just whatever record you want to make.

Who's that artist you're going to? Right now? Right now. Man, Sid Sri Ram. Who? Sid Sri Ram. Oh. Holy, holy. I thought you're going to say future.

I'll be shit. You can't miss a future. You can't miss a future, yeah. Kate miss for future. Okay. But says who? Sid Shri Ram. Shish Ram. You know what I'm saying?

See, me, I like to throw the curveballs. You know what I know. I know whatever you were expecting. and I know you weren't expecting that. Yeah, I was saying. So Sid Shri Ram, he's like a popping artist from India. You know what I'm saying? Oh, India.

Oh, India's the new shit. Yeah. Yeah, Nas told me about India. Yeah, they got Mass-Apeel, India. Yeah, they got Mass-Apeel, India. It's crazy because him and Nas had did a record before. Oh, see, I'm on point? So it's like, see it's true rum, I had met him through my manager, DJ.

Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? Like him and DJ, they did, they did like a project or two with each other at Dev Jam, you know what I'm saying and then I had met Sid and then it was like perfect timing because he was just getting out of his death jam deal and like I told him I'm like hey bro we're gonna make that music that make people want to get fly may want to make people want to put on cologne you know what I'm saying like if you in a car with with your bob or whatever and it's like you know what I'm saying like I want to put somebody on something new like you're going you're going to play this you

know what I'm saying and he already has like a whole fan base they already love him you know what I'm But, like, I wanted to come with, like, a brand new sound with him, you know what I'm saying? Like, because his voice was amazing, you know what I'm saying? So we ended up locking in last year, and we just had, like, we had a session at L.A., but then we had most of the sessions at my compound in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying, made it way. And, like, man, we- made some noise for the compound in Lerl-L. He tried to say that nonchalantly.

He said, my compound in Atlanta. That's not normal, guys, okay. No, 70,000 square feet, man, right in the city. That's a blessing for sure. You know what I'm saying? But that's like the headquarters with, you know what I'm saying? We're cooking up and just, we're just trying to innovate. You know what I'm saying?

We're just trying to like literally innovate and like create like a new sound, like a new wave. Like even like pairing this producer with this new artist. Like, man, you tough and you tough, man. I want to see y'all go crazy like because I feel like that's important. Like even when Morocco had linked me in future like that, you know what I'm saying? It was like we created a whole wave. And you know what I'm saying? And it's like me, you know what I'm saying?

Linking countless people with countless people and seeing what kind of wave that created. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's what the centralized hub is. But like Sid is like one of the people that I was locking in last year. And it's like, man, his pen and so he was born in India, but raised in the bay. You know what I'm saying? his voice is like amazing and then we ended up finding like that

that pocket where it's like any beat I come on any beat that comes on it's like he's attacking it so it's like the beat that I'm thinking like yo this is a difficult beat but it's like man hold get on this or like man this a hard beat for like 21 Savage on some like vibed out shit or like this a hard beat for you know what I'm saying

Kanye on you da da like you know what I'm saying but I might just not that had got those beats to like these artists, you know what I'm saying? But they're like challenging. So it's like only specific artists are going to hear it and understand it. And it's like, man, any beat I turn on, it's like, man, this dude knows how to take it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just take it there and his voice just takes it to, it just matches the energy of the beat.

Like it's very seldom that, you know what I'm saying? When you got like a beat that you feel like there's a no brain that just even by itself, it's very seldom that the artist matches that energy, but when they do, like, that's the magic, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, all the songs that we did, it was like, it was like that. It was like, he was like expanding the beat. He was like, he was making real songs on that shit, though. You know what I'm saying?

And it's like, and it's real heartfelt and his real life. And I feel like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, man, bro, if I could get away with singing that good, bro, you can sing, you can just sing that somebody asking him anything. And he's singing an Indian? Man, he's singing... Was it in Hindi? Is that the language?

He's singing his language, but this project right here is like majority English, you know what I'm saying? He might balance it out, but, you know what I'm saying? But it's like majority English, but it's like, man, it's a vibe, man. Wow. He actually has a song on my album, and that's going to be the introduction. And then right after that, we're dropping a project together. You know what I'm saying? Okay, so sorry.

They got a big scene out there. You dropping an album? Are you saying? Oh, yeah, I'm dropping an album. Okay, all right. Is this breaking news? A new album? No, no, no.

Because he's had it. Okay, yeah. Yeah, but my last album was nine years ago. You know what I'm saying? So, like, man, I took nine years, you know what I'm saying? Hit the reset button. So this new album is called Reset. You know what I'm saying?

It's Ransom 3. It's R3 S-C-T. You know what I'm saying? Ransom always still for releasing all new songs orchestrated by Mike Will. You know what I'm saying? So, boom, like, that was Ransom. I already played. put out Ransom 1, that was a mixtape, Ransom 2 was like the debut album, and then this is Ransom 3,

nine years later, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like this, like, man, I feel like this the hardest shit I don't put together, because it's like, it's like a crazy intersection, you know what I'm saying? It's like, the type of artist that's on here, like the track list that's on here is like, it's like, it's like a crazy intersection. It's just like the cool, it's like, and it's just naturally. It's like, it's not. Not force, no. The records are forced. Just so you know, he's like artists in the records.

Just so you know. Everything happened at the compound. In the 5% culture, nine years is reborn. Oh, right? Yes, it's called born, born, you know. Wow. Yeah, so the fact that you waited out, I didn't know you knew that. If you knew that or not, but in the 5% culture.

Did you hear what he said, though? Yeah, yeah. No, no, about they recorded everything at the compounds. Like everything we talk about here that, how important it is. Oh, oh, but you're working to be with the artist. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

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Yeah, three times three equals nine. Yeah. I'm probably saying, I'm sorry. Like I'm looking at everybody, everybody looking at me like, what's wrong with this nigga? I was looking at the numerology number three. You know what I'm saying? And I was just saying it was like beginning, middle,

and end, like, you know what I'm saying, past, present, future. Yeah. And it was like, that's where, like, over these nine years, it's like, I've been able to, like, even reflect, you know what I'm saying? And then understand. And then, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, now get back into the creative zone and then start back hooking up and doing, like, new collaborations.

And then just, like, as I put this compound together, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just setting up session, whatever happened organically, like, not even reaching, just like, whatever, like, this touch right here is, like, man boom like if they pulled it up it's like their intention is like I'm trying to cook up with might will like you know what I'm saying my intention my intention is I'm trying to cook over this person right and boom it's like you know what I'm saying these beats was made right here at this compound and if any of these songs were recorded it was like 10 minutes down the street at max you know what I'm but it's like now at this point it's been nine years I got so much music stacked up but like

this album right here I'm excited about 15 songs reset Ransom 3. And yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's a good, it's a good pilot cleanse, man. Right now when a lot of people are saying that everything, you know what I'm saying? Sounds the same or like it's boring. I feel like this is a good pilot cleanse for that.

You know what I'm saying? That's the beauty about you is you have a sound, but. That's versatile. It's so versatile. It's that ear drummer word. It's that ear drummer sound. You know, I got a whole production team. Like, you know what I'm saying?

And that was one thing that, you know what I'm saying? I started early on. It's like my production team. It's like, you know what I'm saying? It started off with just like me. But I started. You have other people who helped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I started off with ear drummers. Like, in 2007, I was in high school. You know what I'm saying? I was like 17, 18. And boom, I came up with the name ear drummers, you know what I'm saying? And then, like, I was like, man, boom. I was already making the beat for Gucci and stuff, you know what I'm saying?

So I was like, man. At 18? Yeah. Is that when you feel like you started? That's for sure where I started. Okay. I had, like, a group that I was in before. We had, like, a buzz on the outside of town.

You know what I'm saying? And then, like, like, like a lot of the, because I'm from, I'm from, like, Marietta. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of the folks from the West. Outside of Atlanta? Yeah, that's like, that's like going 75 North, outside of Atlanta.

Atlanta, yeah. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So, boom, a lot of the artists from the west side, like, Shard and Low, D.4L, you know what I'm saying? Franchard, like, they would go to like, Man, for real, rest and peace, man. Right.

They would go to the, they would go to, like, Kyle County Clubs or, like, Marietta Clubs. And, like, that's how a lot of them got popping, you know what I'm saying? So, boom, shot at low was, like, one of the first artists would be like, boom, give me his number. I was like, 15, 16, let me come to the studio. You know what I'm saying? So I used to go to D4L studio when I was like a teenager, you know what I'm saying? And then, and then Gucci, I had running to him at Patchwork because, you know, back.

That's a studio patchwork? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big studio. Okay, okay. Yeah.

So, like, you know, back then, we couldn't bounce the beat down and just air drop it or like texting. You know what I'm 36? Yeah. Like, I'm 36, but it was like, back then I was like, I was like 16, 17, so we had multi-track recorder. So I was recording on my beats on the multi-trap recording. order, I'll burn that joint on CD, but then I go to patchwork to get my CDs pressed up, to get my beat CDs pressed up, you know what I'm saying?

Cost me about 150, 200, you know what I'm saying? Boom, get my beat CDs pressed up, and then it's like Mike Will, boom, phone number, all that, you know what I'm saying? I used to just, I might have a box of 50 or a box of 100. I'll give them to the white folks, you know what I'm saying? Like, so one day I was... You said the right folks or the white folks? No, no, the right folks.

Okay, what's you smoking over that? The right folks, man. And one of the first people that I gave it to because I was print my CDs and then my boy Blaise told me he was like, man, Gucci Man upstairs, bro. I was like, for real. And then he was like, yeah, so I went upstairs,

boom, gave Gucci a CD. And then Gucci was like, he went in the lounge. He was playing a CD. And then he was just freestyle into all the beats. And then he ended up coming out. He was like, hey, ain't you shoddy with the beats? I'm like, hey, yeah, he was like, come in here right quick, check this up. And then he was just rapping.

And then I was listening to it. I was like, man, damn, it's hard. He was like, man, yeah, I need the files of this, man. So one of my homeboys, he already was getting paid for beats. Like, one of my homeboys I was making beats with, his name was Marbley J. You know what I'm saying? He was already getting paid for beats.

So I was like, man, damn, I can get paid for a beat. He asked me for the files. You didn't know that at the time. You didn't know that you could be paid. I mean, he's just trying to get his foot in the door. Yeah, right. I didn't get paid for a feature. I was confused with you.

So I told Goose, I'm like, and you got to think this is underground goose. I'm just like, I'm like, man, I tell Gooch like, man, yeah. Just before Waka Flaka Gucci? Just before I knew who Waka Flaka was. Damn, okay, okay. I understand. I'm trying to think of the time period. Yeah, this is like, this is like, yeah, this is like before I knew who Waka Flaka was, you know what I'm saying?

And so, boom, I ended up giving Gucci the CD. So he's like, man, I need the files. So I was like, man. All right, man, shit, bro. You just got holl at my people. It's all good. Meaning management. Yeah, I ain't had no management, though.

I was just saying it. You know what I was just saying? Yeah, I was just saying this. So he started laughing. He was like, hey, he was like, man, I fought with you, man. He was like, you're a little player. Let me get your number. He was like, how old are you?

I was like, man, 15, 16, whatever I was at the time. So he's like, he's like, man, boom. We're ashamed number. So now I have, like, I had, like, different, like, independent artists. I'm like, yeah, man, I'll be rocking with Gucci, man. You know what I'm saying? So there's one dude wanted to buy a feature.

So I called Gucci one time like, yeah, hey, Gouche, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I got this dude want to buy a feature. You know what I'm saying? He was like... Oh, a feature from Gucci. Yeah.

I thought you've been a feature from your beat. Okay. No, no, from Gucci. So Gucci was like, man, hey, man, give me... Hey, man, give me... It was this level Gucci. He was like, man,

give me $3, $3,500 before I hit the road. You know what I'm saying? It was that level Gucci. You know what I'm saying? But he still knew I was like a young dude, like just at his phone just trying to make something happen like you feel me so he ended up going to jail

and then when he went to jail me and walker had met each other in the club you know what I'm saying but I never knew Walker knew Gucci me and Walker met each other on a whole other no one other we damn they were about to fight each other you know what I'm saying wait wait wait wait yeah that's how me and Walker met like you know what I'm saying it was like how all right so boom we all we are we out there we are there we out there we are there

Marietta, we're in one of these clubs. It's a popping spot, club Q. You know what I'm saying? I'm too young to even be in this joint. You know what I'm saying? In my mind is walking going like this? Man, he just tall, you know what I'm saying? My bad.

So I was like, man, boom, he come in. And, like, man, like, it's all us over here. We got our own people. And then, like, walking them, they're from the south side. So, you know what I'm saying? They was in that deep. So some song come on, somebody that he was with, jumping in my face, throwing something in my face.

So I'm the youngest of my whole crew, so one of my guys just push him. You know what I'm saying? Now that dude fly over there. Now that dude turning into three dudes. Then we start turning in. We start transforming. Everybody started forming.

And then out of nowhere, Walker, jump in front of his guys and put his hands up. And it's like, hey, hold on, hold on. He's like, hey. And then my boy, my boy, Oz. I had just met him. It's my brother still to this day. You know what I'm saying?

like, but I had just met him, but he was from New York. He had a New York hat on. So him and Walker had already been talking over here. So when they see us, when they see the shit about to go down, they go both run over there, Walker get in front of his people, Oz getting in front of us, and then they like, dapp up. And then Walker like, man, ain't y'all from New York? I'm like, nah, we're from New York.

He's from New York. You know what I'm saying? And then, and then Walker like, man, Walker like, nah, nah, nah, man. He, nigga, cool, man, like, ooh. And then he turned around and tell his dude, man, hey, bro, y'all nigger fall to fuck back, bro. You know what I? They fall back. Boom. You know what I'm saying?

Now, we over here. Now, next thing you know, I go to the bathroom. You know what I'm saying? I see this nigga in the bathroom. I'm like, man, this nigga is going to probably try some shit. Like, when I walk out the bathroom, because he's walking out, I'm walking in. You know what I'm walking in? Yeah.

Okay, go ahead. So, boom. I don't know who this is. I don't know this walka flokker or nothing. You just knew you might have beef. Yeah, it's like, we're in the clubs, club shit. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying?

You know, he walked out. You know what I'm walking in? Boom. I end up goddamn coming out there. So, you know, and then when you're too young, like you're 16 and a 20 or 18 in old, the club, whatever it was, you know what I'm saying? You can kind of tell it on you.

So I'm walking out. Won't walk up put his arm around me like, hey, bro. Man, damn, there's some holes in here, bro. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, I was like, I'm like, man, I'm like, nah, for real. I'm like, remember what the head of y'all from? He was like, man, we're from the south side.

He was like, man, bro, y'all got the holes out here, bro. I was like, I'm like, nah, for sure, for sure. And then he was like, he was like, he was like, man, he was like, man. He was like, man, my bad about earlier, bro. My nigga's down there tweaking, bro. Man, yeah, boy, he was cool his hair, man, he had on the New York hat. I was just talked to him. Like, I'm from New York.

Like, ooh, and then I was like, oh, word. And then he was like, he was like, man, he was like, man, what should you be doing? I'm like, man, I just trying to get to the money, bro, like, on some real shit. And you told him you do beats at the time or no. So I told him I was trying to get to the, I told him out, my bad. I told him I was trying to get to the money. And then he was like, he was like, man, he was like, man, what you do? You hustle?

What did you do? I was like, man, shit, I made beats. And he was like, man, oh, shit. He was like, man, my cousin, Gucci, man. I'm like, word, for real, I'm like, nigga, Gucci, my nigga. Pull out my phone. I show him the two numbers I got on Gucci. And he's like, oh shit, boy, you know Gucci for real.

Right. He was like, he was like, man, hey, let me get your number. Hey, let me get your number. So, boy, he got my number. And then, like, I walked back over there to, like, to my guys. To get people. You know what I'm saying? And one of my bros, like, these are my big brothers.

They tell my mom, like, man, we got him. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's going to be good when he comes home. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's going to come home. Like, so he's like, bro, you just gay that nigga in your number? Yeah. I'm like, hey, yeah, he's, man, that Gucci cousin, bro.

you know, I fuck with him. He was like, he was like, man, fuck that nigga, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm ready? Your South niggas are crazy. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying? So he's like, man.

This is your boy? Yeah, I'm thinking I slipped up. Okay. I'm like, man, I went back and I told Walker. I'm like, man, hey, bro, I gave you the wrong down number. You're trying to get the number back? Well, you took the number back? Yeah.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I gave you the wrong down number. And I gave him my internet number. Like, you know, that's when you had dial. You know what I'm saying? This is my space shit. Yeah, so I get my internet number. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, man, if it's ever meant to be, whatever, you know what I'm saying?

Like, boom, so I just leave. I forget about the whole scenario. One day I'm not supposed to be on the phone. I'm sick on punishment, you know what I'm saying? When I grabbed the phone, I got my sister phone, she didn't want to college. When I got another phone in my room, plug up the internet line, shit started ringing. I'm like, phone, hello? And you're like, man, nigga, you don't never pick up the phone.

I'm like, man, who this? He was like, man, he's like, man, it Walker. I'm like, Walker, who? He's like, man, Gucci cousin from the club. I'm like, oh, shit, what up, bro? And then so, boom. Our first conversation, we chopped it up for like 30 minutes, 45 minutes. And he's telling me like, he's just telling me, like, man, who his mom is, like.

And how she has. Walker's whole family is gangsta. Yeah, no, for real. So he tells me who his mom is, you know what I'm saying? And he's telling me how she managed Gucci and. and how she really liked the plug. And now I won't Nicky back then. It wasn't Nikki.

It was before Nikki. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, nah. It's way before Nicky. You know what I'm saying? So he's just telling me like, she managed in Gucci and like she like the plug and everything like that. So I'm like, I'm like, damn for real.

He's like, hey, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So now me and Walker stand the contact. So like he used to hit me from his mom number sometime. You know what I'm saying? So one time I'm calling him back. And then she picked up the phone. She was like, hey, is this Mike Will?

I was like, yeah. She was like, man, hey, man, you all my son talk about, man. He keeps telling me how you're going to be the biggest producer. And you know what I'm saying? And, like, you know what I'm saying? Come on. Like, really. You know what I'm saying?

Go ahead. Like, he was like, man, he kept telling me how you're going to be the biggest producer and, like, how you're going to take over the game and how I need to meet with you. I need to meet with you, sweetie. I was like, I'm like, man, I'm ready. Like, he told me, like, you're the plug. Like, man, at this time, I over- And you didn't know who she was at the time.

My stomach touching the back. No, no, no, no, my stomach touching my back, you know what I'm saying? So I talked to her about that, about meeting up, and now me and walking standing in contact, then another time he's like, hey, bro, I got somebody want to talk to you. Boom. Gucci, like, hey, boy, good thing you ran into my cousin, boy, I need them beats, you know what I'm saying?

Get them beats to my little cousin, man, woo. You know what I'm saying? So from there, he started having me pull up to the studio, you know what I'm saying? So, like, back then, I'm, now I'm the youngest. this nigga in this room, you know what I'm saying? Because, like, it's me and Walker. We're the two youngest niggas two youngest niggas in the room, but in the room is

like, shoddy red, Zatobin, drummer boy, you know what I'm saying, fat boy, you know what I'm saying? All the producers who I look up to, I'm like, damn, now I'm in the room with these niggas, you know what I'm saying? So I remember being in there one night, and Gucci was like, um, he was like,

man, he was listening to some beats and he was like, hey, bro, this is my young nigga right here, man, it's my young nigga Mike Will. I play them beats, bro. telling you to play the beats I'm like my hair now like you feel me like I'm in here my hell now

these like the gladiators right here I'm like and he's like boy what you shot you like man put the beats on bro you're a star you know what I'm saying that's Gucci telling you that yeah Gucci telling me this so I hit play on the beats

boom him and his whole squad and they're just freestyle and just you know what I'm saying bobbing to the beats and then from there like you know what I'm saying and then from there like that's how I met like K-O,

K-O pulled me to her side. He would give me some advice on the beats. Zay-Totan will give me some advice on the beats. Zay-tow him would let me come over to his career. You know what I'm saying? He had my sessions going on. I met a lot of artists at Zay-Tow in Mama House. Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's why he'll forever be my big bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? And that was just me being the youngest guy in the room. But it's like, they embraced me like that. But meanwhile, when Walker told his mom that, when he told Dale that, he had never heard a beat. He ain't never heard a hi-hat.

never heard. None of my music. Walk up was vouching for you without hearing anything. Without hearing nothing. Just going off of y'all. Just going off the vibe. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. He saw how we transformed out there. He's knowing like, man, these dudes got a movement.

But you know what I'm saying? But at the same time, this dude cool as hell on the phone. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I'm sure he could like tell like the passion. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like when I'm talking to him and I had a vision, I always had a vision like as a young nigga. Like, you know what I always had a vision

and like how big, like, this shit could actually be, you know what I'm saying? And Walker was overly vouching. Like, I'm talking about to a point where like, man, we might go to some Gucci man video shoot sometime. We might go to Gucci Man video shoot sometime. And you know what I'm saying?

He wanted to walk up in the middle of everybody and be like, hey, man. Hey, this y'all nigga about to take over the game, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? This and that, this and that. So it's like, yeah, man. Shout out. Shout out the Walker, shout out the dead.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so you know, we went 20 minutes to get you a glass. And we wanted to make sure you get a glass. Let's talk to that, man. You don't walk? Let's talk to like, boy. Let me tell you something, man. This is a drink chance.

This is a drink chance. I'm just a drink chance. Yeah, yeah. But let me just tell you something, brother. What you have done, what you have overcame, what you have. provided to the game. We got to give you your flowers, brother.

Like, we got we got to get your flowers, brother. Like, um, you are really one of the best producers ever made it. Oh, so we want to give you. We gave that the we're like that. We gave that the

snoot. That snoot said it's better than the Grammy. Because it comes from our people. But we want to tell you how much you mean to us, man. Like, I mean to the game. period is you're a legend, legend, you are icon. You are one of the best producers out there, if not the best producer out there. And we want to give you your flowers.

Man, appreciate that. Appreciate that. I appreciate that. It's definitely going up in the compound, man. Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yes. And I can't lie. Every time I see you, you be like, you know, Norrie, I got a beef for you.

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Search the CETO show, and listen now. We got to get our drinking game on with them. Are we ready for quick time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, they already did. Now, if you don't want to drink, you don't have to. You can sit. No, you can just sit.

You can sit. You can sit. You can sit. Now, by the way, you have just won. Drink champ's most expensive. Patty LaBelle had it for a second. What was her drink? Opus.

No, she ordered Camus, and then I, and I ordered her office. But when you ordered, this shit. What the, well, that was the name that shit was. And that was the cheapest of those ones, too. Yeah, it was the other one was $32,000. I said, this thing's crazy. For real, for real. We ain't gonna lie, I ain't gonna lie, man.

You are, you are what you and you are what you consume. You know what I'm saying? Got you, God damn, so you feel for me? We got the age life. So, officially, Mike Will is the most expensive nigger on drink champs. You're dead, you did, you dead. That is, yeah. Hold on.

We don't need people to compete with him. Relax. We don't. Teddy Riley came very close. Teddy Roddy came very close. Your kid is a humble production budget. No, for, for you. This shit.

This shit is a big, this shit is a big platform, man. You know what I'm saying? And it's all about, you know, taste palaces, man. That's right. That's right. Oh, we keep the gold bottles. Yes, we are. It's a spade.

It ain't driven. But do you get... I don't even know how to pronounce this shit you order. Brollo. Gummer? Barolo? Barolo. Oh, Barolo?

Yeah. That's a type of red. Okay, so where's that from? This specific one, I don't know where it's from. You know what I'm trying to talk to that one kind of super shit. Because, yeah, no, no, he's very expensive. I said I could hang out with this nigga. Oh, that.

And then he ordered Habiki. He wanted. I was like, this is my type of... Bigger. Yeah, you have this. Okay. Brico Roche. Where does that come from?

This one right here comes from Italy. Italy, okay. Listen, I can hang with you all day. Oh, no, for sure. I'm an expensive nigga. You ever been in Napa Valley? Absolutely. Yeah.

Absolutely. Napalbath is my shit. Yeah, yeah. I'm an open one dude. I'm a, I'm all that. Okay. I'm with all that. Okay.

All right. So cool. We got, we got the joints. We got the list. So you got to explain to the game. This is our drinking game. We're going to give you two options, right? Yeah.

You pick one, we don't drink. One of the options. If you say both, both or neither, like you really don't want to answer, you want to be politically correct, then we all take a shot or we take a dream. Yeah. But really it's about stories.

It's really about bringing up names and places and things. Yeah. It's not about pinning anybody against each other. Yeah. So the first one is... I don't want no smoke. No smoke. No, no.

Future or young thug? Ooh. Come on. Man, y'all are going to pop it off like that. You're taking a shot immediately. You can say both. We got to drink. Yeah, I got to, I got to say,

Bo, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because of all of what they did for the game and, you know what saying, how they push it forward. Like, like, it was real similar meeting both of them, you know what I'm saying? Because it was like, it was like,

it was real similar meeting both of them Because it's like, like, I had met Future. Like I said earlier, like, with Rocco. You know what I'm saying? Bigger. Future and Rocko. Man, for sure. Man, for sure.

Yeah, for real. I really hope. I really hope they. A1 FBG. You know what I was crazy. I'm sorry to cut you off. I met Future and Rocco in the same exact place. Hmm.

I can't say weird because I think they still hang out there. So I met Rocco one day there, and then I met Future the next day there. It was crazy. fucking have. Yeah. No, for real. But we was, like, I would always see future, like, we'll be in the same clubs or whatnot.

But, um, like, one day I was hauling that rocko, like, man, bro, what's up, man? Like, man, you know what I'm saying? You need to sell rap, bro. Like, what's you doing? Bro, I got some shit for you. He was like, man, look, man, I'm putting the focus on, you know what I'm saying? My guy right here, man. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, he was like, man, he was like, man, this dude next. So me in future had to exchange numbers right then. Then, like, a night or two later, I was. in Magic. And then, like, I was just... Magic City. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. And I, and that's, you know, that's, we, in Atlanta, like, you record a song just to go to magic, just to play it, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's like, can't get shit play that to Grammys, like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, for real.

So it's like, one day we in Magic and, like, I'm telling Esco, this is my first time being Esco. Like, I'm like... DJ Esco. Yeah. Okay. So I'm like, I'm like, man. He went to jail.

Right. Okay. Years later. You know what I'm saying? But, like, when I was talking to him, at this specific time, I was like, man, hey, bro, I'm about to go on a crazy run. I'm like, man, I'm about to go on a crazy run. I'm working with every artist in the city, bro. I'm at every studio, every night.

Like, I want to be able to come through here and, like, and, like, play these records and break these records. Like, I want to fuck with you, whatever you're fucking with. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, off the real. And so he was like, man, hey, bro, man, the artist I'm focusing on right now is future. You know what I'm saying? when I was like, I'm like, oh, word? And then he was like, he was like, you know about future?

I was like, man, that's the one who got, I'm like, what's the song he got? He was like, man, you heard Mexico lingo? I was like, hell yeah. Because at one point, I remember true life talking to us about future, but he called him Meathead. Yeah, because he was down with the dungeon family at that time. Right. So is this before that or this is after that? No, this was, this had to be after.

Okay, okay, continue. And then, um. So he was like, man, Mexico lingo. And I was like, man, I had been hearing that in platinum and magic. You know what I'm saying? Like, between those two clubs, it's like, I was hearing that. Like, I was hearing that overly. So I was like, yo, no, I'm fought with that Mexico lingo.

And I was trying to figure out who that was from the city. You know what I'm saying? So then boom. He was like, man, that's future. You know what I'm saying? That's the artist I'm focused on. I'm like, man, shit, line the session up. You feel me?

This is Rocco telling you this. No, this is Esco. Oh, ex-o. Let's go. DJ. Yeah. So that ended up being the second person that, like, within, like, that week that was talking about, like, you know what I'm saying, Mike Will and Future. So, boom, we had set up the session. And one thing I already had knew about Pluto was like, man, I, man, man, Brug got out of out-of-pocket flow, and he's down to do, like, different shit.

Like, you know what I'm saying? And watch this. Like, those were my, like, introductions, you know what I'm saying? Like, to, like, but I had heard this music before, but I ain't know it was him. Like, now I know like, okay, this is bro. You know what I'm saying? So from then, it was just like, I'm in the studio every day. Every day, you know what I'm saying?

Every song on Dirty Sprite, Streets Calling, True Story, you know what I'm saying? Honest, you know what I'm saying? Like Pluto, you know what I'm saying? Astronaut, all that, like, every day, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, that right there was like a groundbreaking time. And then I remember, like, you know what I'm saying? like all that was happening and me and Pluto were like the young and bringing the cool and bringing the forward pushing sound and like the out of pocket like sound like for like we're

like owning that space you know what I'm saying and then I remember like at this time now we're moving around now bro into Pluto on tour like now I'm working with all kind of different artists I'm in LA a little bit more in New York a little bit more in my name like I'm moving around now and then I go back to the city and then Gucci telling me about young thug you know what saying and Goose-like, bro, I'm telling you when you meet this dude right here, bro, this dude is a star, bro, like, you know what I'm saying? What was the first record, you

and future when you got together that you was like, oh, my God, this is it? It was dirty, dirty Sprite was the first time. Dirty Sprite was the first time we did. Dirty Sprite was the first song. Dirty's right. It was the first song that we did.

No way. That's your first song that we did. Yeah. Yeah, you're the first song that we did, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, Dirty Sprite could do anything. You know what I'm saying? If you want to put the lien with it, if you want to put your cognate with it, whatever you want to do, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I? I want to get a lot. I ain't a lot. You know, for real. Relax. You want me to lie to you? No, God. Do you?

I was like, oh, shit. That was the first song, and then, like, ain't no way around it. I feel like, that was just like, that was like when we knew, like, that's when like the radio was playing that joint for 30 minutes straight you know what I'm saying and like running it back they were like excited about it like coming off for that um true story project you know what I'm saying like any way around it was like it like broke the mode but then

like when we did like the night we did turn on the lights and never end in the same night you know what saying and like and I ain't gonna lie you know what I'm saying like it was similar to like ain't way around it because he didn't ain't a way around it and Tony Montana damn they're in the same like you know what I'm saying? Future is my hero. My future of the man, bro, for sure. Future is there. We got to take a shot for that.

He said, okay. Yeah, we got to say both. This is quick. He said both. But I was saying with like, we're like Thug, too. It was like Thug was like, Thug was another one where I was like, man, this dude. this dude like Thud was the first person

to make me feel like disconnected from the city like because I was always the young and like you know what I'm saying so I'm the youngest one in the room so we always bring in like the whether it's me and walking me and future me and like you know what I'm saying like we bring like the

young the new the new shit and then it's like now I'm moving around outside of the city been gone for a little bit then I come back and I meet this dude Thud and I'm like damn like hold on he got a whole new link He got a whole new sway, he got a whole new,

and then I'm hearing like, what he doing with, like, Adelaide Mafia? What are he doing with, like, Sunny? What are he doing with Metro? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm hearing that. I'm like, I'm like, damn, they come with a new wave. I'm like, that's hard.

Like, they're creating like a new wave, you know what I'm saying? Because like, like, like, that's, it's tough to do because there's so many creatives and so many, like, like, dope creative people coming out of Atlanta. And that's like in that $2.85 is like a big ass pot, like a gumbo pot and you got to be original. You know what I'm saying?

Like to like really like go, you got to be bringing like something new like for your shit to cut through. And you got to put up like X amount of points and X amount of hours. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like when you start seeing them new waves for them,

like you start seeing it. So it's like man, salute to both of them guys, man. You know what I'm saying? Pluto and Yon Thub for being originators and taking the city and the sound as far as like, you know what I'm saying? They took it, you feel me, and taking it. Respecting them both.

All right. Okay. Gucci or Walker? Yeah, y'all trying to get me drunk. No, that's not. That's a cocaine section. You're going to get yourself, John, because you don't say both of me. No, we're going to say, we're going to say,

what are we talking about, though, Gucci or Walker? Whatever criteria you want. It's whatever your criteria. It's whatever your cruxious. And we would be like, you want, better friend. made more music. We can take a shot. We can be like he made me.

By the way, I'm not going to lie to you. Cheers. Pause, you might have had the best twirl on drink champs history. Like the way he just twirled up. You know, I'm going to napole. That's why I know you know a Napa Valley. When he said Napa Valley, he twirled his dick. Oh, man.

You know what I'm going to? I'm going to open one dude. This is an expensive nigger here. Let's what I salute. Saloo. Salo, salo. Salo. Salo.

Salo. Salo. Oh, yeah, we got to say both. Okay. Salute both. Next one. Pock or DMX? Cool.

That's a good one. Rest and peace of both. Man, bro. I'm an indecisive nigga, bro. Let's just keep drinking, man. We don't drink time, man. That's real. I can't pick neither.

I can't pick a shot, buddy. Oh, shit. I was literally fine. I saw you trying to deferring. Yeah, I was literally trying to be. Both of them. Okay. Now,

you want me to take this next? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, you take this next. Okay, you, you know, I'm scared of girls. Beyonce or Rihanna. Take a shot. That man said, pour it up. Pour it up for formation.

For real. God damn it. For real. I googled that. I was like, this thing is, they did formation? Come on, your catalog is wild. I didn't even realize it. Man, I appreciate that.

Listen, I listen, I'm taking a shot for your catalog. No, for real, man. Listen, I'm taking a shot for your catalog. Congratulations, brother. No, I appreciate that. Yes, yes, I appreciate that. Like, your catalog is the type of catalog that you could take a break for nine years. Yeah, yeah, I'm really.

It's continuously in everybody's ears. Right. That you never left. No, that's real. You can't leave. It's aging like Barolo. Yeah. It's Asian like Barolo.

Really. You can't leave. And, hey, this is a 30-year cognate that we're sipping on. Oh, let's talk about the car yet. Come on now. It's a 30-year-old. You got an earring? I don't know.

It just happened. I don't know. For some reason, it just happened. It just happened. It just happened. It just happened. Man, so this is made. So what's the name of this?

This is Permis. Permiss. Yeah. This is some specific shit. Nah, for sure. This is your shit? Man, this is like, it's like, it's my shit as far as like. Like, you fuck with it.

I fuck with it. I fuck with it. I, I, I organically fuck with it. One of my family, you know what I'm saying they came with this like like in 2003 so that's 23 years ago you know what I'm saying so like and it was already aged eight years back then you know what I'm saying so it's 31 years you know what I'm saying not yet but even if you see the the drinks on this video or whatever like it's a lot of videos man we've been drinking this to someone to love video and all that kind of stuff you know what I'm saying for miss you know what I'm saying and um and you got the For the guys and the girl.

Yeah, now, for it, this is the first pink, it's the first pink cogniz. You know what I'm saying? I've never seen pink conia. This ain't like, like Nouveau or anything. It's not like a liqueur. It's like, rid of liquor. This is true.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, man. So, man, we're sipping on this age. Is it over here. Okay. Dali. Um.

Go ahead. I don't got it open. You know, Ray Shrimid. Come on. Outcast. Where are you? No, man, we got to go.

We got to go, um, damn. That's not even easy, man. It's easy as a time. That's the section over there. That's the Dominican and the Colombian section. They all, cold, man. They even make the question. They even made the question.

That's some cold brothers, man. Yeah. Are we taking a shot to that? We got, let's take a shot, man. Take a shot, man. It ain't, it ain't, nothing come before the shrimp, but, you know what I'm saying? Thank you for it.

Thank you to Outcast, thank you to, you know what I'm saying, hypnotize noise, Dungeon fan for the inspiration to even, for us, even, like, for me as a producer, you know what I'm saying, for us to even kicking the door and, like, you know what I'm saying, take it, like push the limits, you know what I'm saying? Like, for real. What was the thing I heard with then, the labels named after them back? Was it backwards? Yeah, so, um.

Wait, yeah, tell us. Yeah, so my label, well, my production company is ear drummers, you know what I'm saying? and then to turn into a record label. And, like, Shrem was already, like, they were already trying to do, like, song writing, Sway Lee made beats, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so they were already part of the squad, and they were messing with my brothers P. Nasty and Mars.

And, boom, like, this one, Jimmy, like, I had, like, man, I had, like, 13 songs on the radio at this time. Man, Jimmy I've been telling me, like, man, you need to have your own label, you know what I'm saying, so you can put out your own music. Love to me, Alvin, man. Yeah. He takes care of producers so much.

For real. I love that. And it was like, man, I want to get you a label deal. And it took me two years. This is Jimmy's telling you this. Yeah. So my manager is Jimmy Irene nephew. You know what I'm saying?

DJ. Okay, yes. Yep. So he introduced me to Jimmy Alvin. When Jimmy Alvin, when me and him met and, like, we chopped it up, it was just like, man, Jimmy Alvin just took me under his wing and just was like, man, boom. Whenever he in town you come over here, like, he loved it, like, just feel a game.

Like, you know what I mean? He's a great guy, bro. So he was like, he was like, man, you really need to start your own record label because you just. This is Jimmy telling you this. Yeah, he's like, man, you're essentially just out here inventing the sound and just giving it to like all these different like companies or whatnot. You know what I'm saying? And it's like they're not even cutting you in on your invention. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So you're inventing, you're inventing the sound. You're inventing somebody. All right. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, here, take this. This is all we have. take this for your invention. And it's like, you know what I'm saying?

He made me understand that in a whole other way. So I was like, I'm like, damn, like, you're right. So it took me two years to grasp it because I always said I wanted a record label. But at the same time, it's like, when you got, when you're right here sitting right here in the same room with Jimmy I being, he's like, man, I'm trying to get your a label deal. It's like, damn, do I, I, I'm having so much success with doing what I'm doing. Do I want to take a different? You're not realizing that this is the actual. This is the real thing.

Like, now you're about to go in the... You want to take that on now. Yeah. It's a whole different, like, position. Like, it's a whole different hat. It's like, you're an executive now, you know what I'm saying? Like, producing is one thing. You're doing a service, and then now you're an executive.

You know what I'm saying? Then you're executive producing. Now you're inventing something, and then you have to create this product and package it all the way up. And manage the whole operation. Yeah, to a point where people consume it and are happy with it. You know what I'm saying? Because how much stuff do we consume and be like, man, this shit trash?

You feel me? So now that's what you're trying to do, you know what I'm saying? And so it's like, it's a totally different ballgame. So it took me two years to be like, man, you know what? Man, we're going to do this shit. You know what I'm saying? So P.M.Rs, they were already rocking out with sway and gym. You know what I'm saying?

And they were already over there cooking up crazy stuff. But P.M.R. would be at a lot of those meetings, too. So they're knowing the temperature too, like, man, we're about to do a label deal at some point. You know what I'm saying? And then we also had a few more artists that we were, looking at at the time, you know what I'm saying? And artists out were bubbling and it's like, man, you know what?

Man, we want to try to sign them or we want to try to sign them. We're trying to sign anybody because I'm knowing like, man, I'm trying to take the sound and I'm trying to push it as far as possible. I'm trying to bring as many new artists to the game. And I'm trying to work with the biggest artists in the game and get them a new sound and like get them the sound that comes from us. Like, you know what I'm saying? And like, just change the game with like that new sound.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Which, you feel me? Like, so, yeah, man, like, um, ended up, long story short, man, y'all got me drinking, so I'm just, yeah, so the name flip. And I'm not asking the next question. No, no, no, no. You ask the next question? Yeah, don't worry about.

I got you. But, but, um, so it's like, it's like, it's the name flip. So we go to the studio. We had the studio one day, and I tell, um, I tell, um, I ask Jimmy and Sway, and I'm like, man, because I had one day, I had one day. had wrote down, like, because I wanted to do, like, I was always thinking about the expansion of ear drummers. So I was like, man, we got to have

like a live rock and roll side because we already own in like this hip-hop, like trap side, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, what does the ear drummers spell backwards? I was thinking about Oprah and Harpo, you know what I'm saying? And then I was like, man, okay, shit, man, what is it if we spell ear drummers backwards, man, Ray Sherman? I'm like, that's hard. So I was going to make that like

the live, the live. The live alternative side, you know what I'm saying? And then when I met them, I'm like, man, these dudes the coolest dudes on earth. Like, like, they just walking and just making bangers after bangers after bangers after bangers, like, Sway Lee making hard-ed beats. Like, you know what I'm saying? Seeing him cook up no tight and like, they got chills when I heard no tight. Like, you know what I'm saying?

And everything like that, it's like I'm seeing them. I'm like, man, these dudes can make anything cool on earth. You know what I'm saying? Hey, what y'all think about the name, Ray Strimer for the group name? And then they were like, Ray Shriver, what's that? I'm like, man, that's the eardrumbers backwards. They're like, oh, hell yeah,

that's squad. Like, hey, yeah, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? And then they were like, man, hey, your shrimp life. I'm like, see? They already flipped me. Well, no.

You know what I'm going to. All right. All right. Next one. Kendrick or Drake? I'm going to do this. Damn. All right.

So I'm going to just, I'm going to do this. I'm just go ahead and go kindred, you know what I'm saying? And, you know what I'm saying? And I want to salute Drake for, you know what I'm saying, being somebody who always, like, showed love from the beginning. Like, you know what I'm saying? He was, like, one of the first, like, major artists, like, going Twitter and just tweet, like, Mike Will made it, you know what I'm saying?

And then he remit shit. And then him in Future had, for real, you know what I'm saying, on my track. And then, like, even with Pluto early days, you know what I'm saying going on the road with with with with with with with with Drake it was like you know what I'm saying like drag always show love you know what saying and then it's like with Kendrick it was like me and kindred just had like a little bit like more like personal close relationship in the sense of like literally every time like like the first time me and kendry met it was like in 2000 I got so much

records that I could look at you produced for Kendra well but you know it took a seven years Yeah, it took them a while. But y'all had been interacting but just never made music. So we met, we met, Ryan, like 2010, 2011, schoolboy Q introduces. Right. Q, that's my brother. We had already did my hate and joint. And we did my hating joint.

And then they were in Atlanta one day, and Q was like, man, I need to link you with this dude that's on my label. Man, like, he about to be the next biggest thing. Like, I'm like, for real? And then he was like, I'm like, what's his name? He was like, Kendra. And I was like, shit. I'm like, man, tell me what studio. So he told me to go to Stankony.

I go to Stink on you. I'm in there with Kendrick. Man, I'm playing a bunch of beats. In Atlanta? In Atlanta? Yeah. So this early Kendrick, like, mixed tape Kendrick, right?

Yeah. So I'm playing him, I'm playing him a bunch of beats. He takes a bunch of beats. So I was like, I just, I pulled him to outside because I didn't really know him like this. And at this time, like, certain people were, like, leaking my beats or, like, leaking, like, certain songs, like, produced my mic, where, or this and,

this and that, you know what I ain't really know him any different than anybody else. So I was like, man, I'm like, hey, bro, let me highlight you right quick. So then we step out of the studio, I'm like, hey, bro, I'm like, bro, I'm gonna give you all these beats, bro. And you just gotta, man, you just gotta give me a word, bro, you're not gonna lead nothing, bro, just don't leak nothing.

You know what I'm saying? And he started laughing, he was like, hey, bro, I fuck with you, my bitch. And we go in the studio, he was like, hey, bro, you know what this nigga just pulled me out and said? This nigga just pulled me out and said, hey, bro. man hey man I'm gonna give you my beats but nigger don't leave my shit nigga I'll fuck with this nigga you know what I'm saying

And then ever since then it was like man we were locked in And like every time he would come to Atlanta Like you know what I'm saying like as soon as he land phone here my phone you know what I'm saying I pull up on them playing my gang of beats give him a gang of beats anytime I'm in LA as soon as I'm laying I'm hitting their phone I'm pulling up on them same thing we're linking up you know what I'm saying And you know what I'm saying is that how humble was made

Tell us how humble was me So that was like just the final Don't get out of, we could go back to them We gotta go back to quick time with time But go ahead That was the foundation That's how the foundation was like How humble was made

It was like, okay now Good Kid Mad City and To Pimper Butterfly Drop Right And I'm like Damn I ain't made Neither one of these I know I didn't gave him at least

565 beats Like you know what I'm saying Or something like crazy Like I didn't get this man A lot of beats You know what I'm saying So I had to just ask him. One of those beats was already there, though?

That boy fucking them, true. You know what I'm saying? Were one of those beats already? Did he already have him at that time? No. Not yet, okay. No, so he was like, so he was like, man, I asked him, I'm like, hey, bro. Man, for real, bro, I'm giving you the wrong beats.

Like, I'm hearing the albums and I can hear that. You gave him beats prior to that. Yeah. But he keeps changing from that album to the second album changed. So this album changed. So when I'm hearing the album, I'm like, I'm hearing that I did give him the wrong beats. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, hey, bro, I keep giving me the wrong beats. If you just give me like a direction, you want to go, man, I feel like, you know what I'm saying? He was like, nah, no, you ain't give me the wrong beats. Like, all the beats, you give me hard. Like, I just know when I go in with you, I want to just lock in with you and I want to go down, you know what I'm saying? So when we were starting down, it was like, I feel like that was early stages. Like with Kendry, you never know, you never really know what's going on. Like, you know what I'm saying?

He's on his planet. and then, you know what I'm saying? Like, when he summits you, you know what I'm saying? Like, boom, he called you in. And then it's like, man, he really had called me and was like, man, you in L.A.? I'm like, I'm in L.A. And he pulled up to the crib at, like, early,

like 9 in the morning, 10 in the morning. Was over there, like, damn there all day going through all kinds of beats. Took a whole bunch of beats. You know what I'm saying? And he hit me back. He was like, man, I'd pull up to the studio. Pull up to the studio with him.

He let me hear humble DNA. and XXXXXXX. He had just started XXX. I'm like, God dang, you know what I'm like, man? He had already recorded? Yeah, humble DNA. And those joints are out of it. And you didn't know that he recorded it already?

Well, he gave him the beats. But he was telling me he was going in. Like, he'll send me like a little video on his phone and stuff like that. So then when we, when I get to the studio and I hear that, he's like, man, I just want to finish his DNA. He was like, man, you got your, you got your computer. You got your beat machine. I'm like, hell, yeah, so I pulled out my computer, and then he was like,

then he was telling me how he wanted to rap on there, and then he was like, man, I just want to hear, like, what kind of beat you do, like, around these, around, like, this kind of flow, you know what I'm saying? So now I do the second half of DNA, you know what I'm saying? And then it's just loud. I'm like, man, this shit's so out of here, bro. So now I was like, we're excited about DNA. So he's telling me, like, man, well, humble, he's like, humble, man, like, I love this song.

I know this is a slap. I know this a banger. But I don't know if it fit, like, damn, necessarily. Like, I got DNA. DNA need to be my single. Like, I'm just snapping on that joint. We knew DNA was just hard, but he knew Humble was like, he knew it was going to be a commercial.

He knew it was going to be a slap, but he didn't know if he wanted to put it out. Like, you know what I said? Yeah. And so, he was like, man, you're about to drop Ransom 2, right? And I was like, yeah, he was like, man. He was like, you might as well take Humble for Ransom 2. I was like, I'm like, hey, I'm like, hey, brother. Is that supposed to be on your album?

No, no, no, he just says this. I'm like, he was dead serious. I'm just like, hey, bro, look, I ain't going to lie to you. Man, I appreciate that, bro. You know what I'm saying? But I feel like I'm stealing if I do that, bro. Like, man, this song, this song's so big, bro, and it's going to be so much bigger. Good thing you did that, man.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, man, you got it. That was the lead single, wasn't it? Yeah, he was like, I'm like, man, you got it. He was like, man, I don't know. I'm going to sleep on it. The next thing you know, he'll be the next day. He was like, man, send me whatever song you want me to get on for your album.

He was like, man, Top just said the same thing you said. Like, he was like, man, he was like, man, what you think? Which one you think should be the single? Like, humble or DNA? I was like, man, it depends on when you drop. Like, you know what I'm saying? If you're just dropping a single and then you're going to drop the album a little later, go humble. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm going to drop the single, then the album saying, we? Man, go DNA. You know what I got that shot by you. So he ended up, shoot. in both videos. He dropped Humble. The shit went through the roof. And then a couple weeks later, he dropped the album.

And then he had the video for DNA. And then Humble was number one. And then DNA was number two, Hot 100. And that shit just both are like humble, double diamond. And DNA is fucking 15 times platinum, man. We got to talk you. I appreciate that, boy. All right.

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Yeah, they're not vegan. They're vegan chips. Definitely vegan chips. Got. Real tough. So, wait, just to be sure, you said Kendrick on that one, right? No, we don't even want to kem. We're just going to toast the head.

Yeah. That's why we're drinking or not. No, we're drinking. I just, I just drink. UGK or Ghetto, boys. Uh, UGK. Any reason? That's just more who raised me.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I was super young when both of them came out, you know what I'm saying? But like, Pempt C and Barn B, like, major influences, like, for sure. Rest and piece to Pimp. Breast and piece to Pimp, real talk. Organized noise or beats by the pound? Damn. That's crazy.

I got to go organized noise, though, man. You know what I'm saying? Recepese, Rico, Wade, for real, major influence. You know what I'm saying? And recipes Bushwick Bill from Ghetto Boys, too. No, for sure. Mike Jack or Prince?

Michael Jackson. I don't know why you motherfuckers write it like that. Man, y'all have some cold. That's them. Y'all want to get some brothers. We always ask this in the drink chance. Man. And we love Michael Jack.

We like the stories of either. It's like, you know, the legends that made us off. You know, you know, what's crazy? Like,

during this journey right here, like, I've been, I've been trying to, like, figure out, like, like,

print, like, like, Purple Rain and, like, thriller, like, them nine song journeys,

like, man, both of them songs were, like, major influences, like, how those,

how those projects were so short. Yeah. But it went on a fucking journey, like, you know what I'm saying? So, um, I don't know, man.

I don't know. I might go, um... I'm going to let you finish. You said both. I'm going to go Mike. Oh, okay. I'm going to go Mike. I'm not going to lie to you.

We don't know, like, their beef. Their beef is historic now. Oh, they have beef. Oh, man. Crazy beef. We've been hearing all kinds of stories. What?

We're trying to run over Michael Jackson. Oh, what? Like, running off the road. Trying to run them off the road. No, no. So this is the reason why we don't. we don't never like answer this being him.

It's because we always like get new information that happens. Oh, shit. And we find out that first off, Prince is a meanie. That's what Michael Jackson said about Prince. That's what Michael Jackson said. All right, so I, sorry. And we haven't put out that story. So let me give you this story.

You ready? You ready? Farrell calls me one day. Oh, the Super Thugs story? Yeah. So Farrell calls me. one day. And he's like, Norrie, I kind of like

need a favor for me. So I'm like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? What was Farrell needed a favor for me? Right. And he says, I sent Michael Jackson a bunch of beats. He said, that's not what Norrie were a rap on. Michael Jackson

wanted to rap on Superdog. What? What? What? Oh, shit. So Farrell sent him a bunch of like, eh. Like, you know, one of them, the other beats and he's like now. Michael Jackson joint. I want to rhyme on what nobody were wrong.

So, Correll hit me. I'm like, holy moly guacamole. So Varelle hits me. And I actually, I don't know if I ever said this part of the story. I actually picked out five beats. For Michael? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

Not for Michael. For Rerell. Farrell was like, yo, just pick out these five. I mean for him to give to Michael. I don't ever know if I've ever. Does that make sense? Like, I don't know if I ever did that. Like, I just was like, you know what, well, girl, you're my G.

I got you. And I did it. So I don't know if that was ever for that. But that's one of my best stories. No, that's hell shit. Michael Jackson. No. No.

What? What? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Michael Jackson wanted my fucking beats. Nah, facts, bro. Yo, thank God there wasn't no social media back. Back then.

Imagine back then it was fucking social media. Thank God, man. We needed those superstars. And I would have been like, you know, look, because I believe Michael Jackson was a gangster. For sure. Why you got caught? I mean, I don't know.

I said, I said for sure. I think Michael Jackson was a whole. But he did call Prince of Mienies. Why didn't he just square up with him? Man, he got too much to lose. Got too much to lose. You know what's that state. He's that gaycaster that.

He knows how to walk away from it. I love the story. I don't think it's true, the one with him and Pac Fought. I don't think it's a true story, but that's an amazing story. You never heard that story? A comedian is telling it. There's a comedian that's been telling that story. That's funny in town.

Wait, can you tell him it's got a story? It had to do with, yeah, since you're your daughter that Park was. dating, but when Quincy Jones and Michael's connection, you know, so Michael looked at Quincy Jones' daughter as like his niece. And then supposedly he saw Pock, like, you know, disrespect her

in some kind of way, and then he stepped to him, and then they fought. I mean, I think this is a fake story, but it's an amazing story just to pretend that it happened. And they said that Michael had the ill reach. Well, and then he got one up on. My boyfriend Gary in the end of, man.

Gary in the end. And Joe, and Joe Jackson was hard and so he grew up hardcore. I'm sorry. I mean, Joe, just salute Joe Jackson, man. That man, a real curator, man. But he raised him hardcore. I mean, that's what they said in the movies, but that could have been anything.

We all were raised hardcore. Well, no, I'm saying, but I'm not saying the extreme of hardcore, but nonetheless, he still raised him heavy-handed. He had a division for sure. Yeah. Right. You want to go to the next question? Yeah.

Because I got a lot more. Nause or L-L. Nause or who? L-L. Koo-J. I'm going to nis. Salute them. I'm saluted them both.

Yeah, absolutely. I love them. I'm from Queens. Ace Hood or 21 Savage? Uh, I got bangers with both of them, brothers, man. You know what I'm saying?

Thank you, brother. Uh, man, we need to keep drinking, man. I got bangers with both of them, man. So, salute. Salute, salute. Salute, salute. And I'm going to take, I'm going to take an actual shot.

know what I'm saying? Okay, let's go. You ready? Absolutely. But I'm, even though we drink, I'm still go 21. I'm going to go 21 on that one.

So you made us drink and then you took it. Man, it's a drink, champ. He took back to drink. Man, I don't know. I was like that. I respect that.

No, no, no, that's okay. I'm starting getting like that now, man. I'm sorry getting like that now, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, boy, Alchemist.

Oh. Oh. Yeah. Probably an alchemist, man. I had a lot of inspiration. Shout out to hell, man. For real. Big up the Alcat.

And hit boy, but. No, big up the both of them, for real. Yeah, main catalogs. Yeah, they both are. Dre or Quincy Jones? Dr. Drey or Quincy Jones. I am. I got to do with this shit.

I mean, you could argue that Dre is the hip-hop Quincy Jones. He is. That's what I was about it. Yeah. Like Quincy Jones laid the foundation. Yeah. Dre came through and pushed it, you know what I'm saying, with a whole new sound. Yeah.

It's like, ah, but it's like, you know what's crazy when I rap up albums, like, as an executive producer, like, you know what I want to listen to this album that I'm putting together next to, like, some albums I look at, like, some of the best albums. So it's like, I always play Thriller or I always play, like, get Richard Dodd Trying, or I always play, like, you know what I'm saying? eyes on me. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, and it's like, but Dray didn't produce all lies on me, right? But I still listen to it, you know what I'm saying?

And then I'll listen to the games album, you know what I'm saying? And I listen to that with whatever album I'm about to drop because, like, Thriller was short, you know what I'm saying? Get Richard Dodd Farn was long, but it's still like that same complete journey,

you know what I? So it was like, if I, if we had C. Changers, you know what I'm saying, and I had my city in, and it was a change over to this city, change over to this city, change over to this city, come back to my city. Is my shit hitting in the line of that? Yeah, so we're going to salute both for them, man, for you know what I'm trying to be. That's the version of that. Yeah, absolutely. That's the piece of Quincy Jones.

Yeah, get y'all drunk today, man. Yo. Metro booming or murder beats? By the way, Quincy Jones, I got the most drunk I've ever ever ever ever in my life. Quincy Jones? hanging out of here. Yeah, I never told you. I don't think so.

In LA? Go ahead. That was, man. No. Come on back? Nah. I got to tell us so. What?

That's that. Metro boom and murder beats. We're going to Metro boom it. For sure. Been on Metro since 014, man. Salute the everything he built. All right up. Wow.

Oh, shit. I'm in a whole other fucking. You're in somebody else's quick time? Yeah, I'm going to get someone else's quick time. The ASR or the MPC 2000? Mm-hmm. M-C. NPC hands down, man.

That was my secret weapon. I just got the ASR last summer. So I've been fucking with it lately. I've been making some dope shit, but the NPC, my weapon of choice, I still plugged the ASR up to the MPC. What was your first machine that you used to make beat? My first beat machine, I had got the core ES1.

My pops had grabbed me the core ES1, and that's how I taught myself how to make beats. and then I used to have that plugged up to like a Cassio keyboard. Then one of the homies in my group, he had bought a Triton for like $1,000, you know what I'm saying? And then he got the Triton, and then I was plugging that up with the core gears one. And then I got the multi-trap recorder.

So that was before Pro Tools and all that shit, you know what I'm saying? You had your mini studio right there. Yeah, and then, boy, I got my mini studio. The next thing you know, I go buy myself to MPC, you know what I'm saying? and then my mom helped me get like these keyboard racks, you know what I'm saying? Like, she'll get the credit card and then I'll pay on it, like, you know what I'm saying?

So it was like some shit like that. And shout out to my mom. Like she, man, hey, she was learning everybody come through the house. The music was loud. You know what I'm saying? She was there through the whole process, man. So that's why, like, Mom can ask for anything.

I don't care. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, she got it. Like, she was always believing. You know what I'm saying? I'm out on school nights. You know what I'm saying? in high school, like, she didn't, she wasn't saying it was okay, but like, she, she could

have killed me, you know what I'm saying? Like, for real, because I kept bucking, you know what I'm saying? And I just knew I wanted to get that music out, so yeah. Shout out to moms. Shout out of mom. Bigger, big of them. Yeah. Come on.

Two chains or TI? Got nothing to do with this year. See, y'all are doing like this shit where it's like, that's them, that's them. It's like a mixed thing. It's like inspiration or like. You know what I'm choosing? Whatever way you want to go. And I got a shot.

I got the shot. Yeah, we got the shot, man. Salute Atlanta, man. You know what I'm saying? Continue to be great. Salue Atlanta, man. I'm going to be honest. Atlanta helped me down, too.

Atlanta helped me down. They both from my new album. You know what I'm saying? Atlanta held me down. Thank you all, man. Man, every hour. I love Atlanta, man. Fuck that.

I'm sorry. I held back a long time. Why? Why did you go back? I held back from y'all south, niggas. He was hating. Why would you go back?

He was hating, man. I was hating a little bit. Shout out to the real nicks from New York. Shout out to the real niggas from New York, man. Like, Walker, man. The Antis, man. That man, hell you down. Miami helped you down.

The world is out you down. Damn, Texas help you down. That man. I'm just fighting it, man. Damn. No, but on. I'm fighting it. He just said it.

I'm fighting it. Till was my favorite rapper. like since I'm serious, you know what I'm saying? And then like I've been fucking with two chains since he was Titty Boy. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I used to grind. I used to drive all.

I know him since he was Titty Boy. Yeah. I used to drive all the way from up there where I'm staying at, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? All the way down there to Tuchins and all over that. Man, I might run out of gas on that driver. You know what I'm saying?

But he wanted to go to the studio at 11 p.m. 12 a.m. I'll be in there all night with Chachains. man, like we're just banging out different sounds and yeah, man, like, I remember when he thought everybody was sleeping on him and we all knew like, man,

this nigga about to be the biggest. Like, he's about to be one of the bigger. I knew it too. For real. I knew it too. Forrell. Teddy. That's what he called him?

If you heard that man's rap, and you weren't thinking that man, you were hating. Yeah. He could spit, man. Nah. For real, you were hating. Teddy was that nigga. A real hip-hop artist, man.

Yeah, he can split. Real. Two chas. What's that thing? Two chage, man. Tahit. All right. Shottie Red or drummer boy?

This producer shit. It got nothing to do with this. Shout out to Atlanta. Shout out to Memphis. Damn. They got nothing to do with this. And let's go ahead. I'm just salute, man.

Just drink it? They were they were to do it. They were to the engine. We'll definitely feel it. feel to the engine, man. All right. And I'm taking the whole shots. Man, come on, man.

I'm a horn of kicking right now. Because you know why? Why? I'm going to be honest with you. Don't lie to us. I wanted Mike Will here for years. I wanted Mike Will to get his flowers. Mike Will is a person that deserves

what's going on right now. You are a legend of legend. You are Icon, you are icon. And me, EFN, our whole establishment, drink champs. We wanted to give you a flop. I don't mind being as saucy as I'm being saucy today. Right. Because it's for you, brother.

And you know what? Me and him are in, is that shit called? Coheed. Whatever. That's on me, more. Yeah, there you go. Because you know why? Nah, you really deserve your flowers.

You really, we want you to know that. What you did to the game is so beautiful. We're going to continue to give you your flowers, brother. No, I appreciate that. So, you know what I'm sure? Okay, continue. Yeah, we're still, we almost go. Oh, yeah, we're still in a bit.

Logic or Pro Tools? On Pro Tools. I don't know how to use Logic. Juicy J or Whiz Califah? Damn. It's another thing. Man, we're going to toast up to that one too, man. You know what I'm saying?

For real, man. My two stoner buddies, man. They're my brothers right there, man. You know what I'm saying? You can just sip whatever you're simply. You don't got to drink shots. Shout out to Juicy J, man, for being a blueprint, man. For being the inspiration.

Yeah, Juicy J. And the run that we went on with so legendary. I went on the round with both of them guys. guys, man. For it up. DJ Premier Pete Rock. This is a very uneven question. But I would like to see with you.

How are you going to answer? I probably say Premiere. That was hard. I thought he wasn't going to answer. That's hard. Trick Daddy or Rick Ross? Damn. Have you worked with Trick?

I ain't ever worked with Trick. Oh, man. I could hear you guys. That would be. Man, come on, man. I know the Ross joins you did it's crazy. Trick raising, nigga. That's what I'm saying, man.

You and Trick would be crazy. Trit too hard, man. Real legend, man. Bro, like, see, y'all got me fucked up on this game because I'm an indecisive, nigga. I'm already indecisive. It's all good. That's what both is for.

And when I smoke, it makes it even worse, man. They're why I don't smoke and go to the mall, man. But he's a good shuffle. Can we connect you and trick, man? And make something happen? Yeah, let's do it. All right. Miley Cyrus.

Yeah. A drink chance. A compilation. Let them work together, man. We don't have to put it on a drink chance. We'll circle back after they do something. Miley Cyrus and Katie Perry. I am.

We got to go, Molly Cyrus. No, binder. How'd y'all connect? Man, through RCA. Shout out to Peter Eds. Shout out to everybody. RCA. It was crazy.

I had just signed my, I had just signed my publishing venture. So that was my first venture. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of people just think I just make beats. So, like,

producer, I'm an executive too, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, I never even signed a pod deal or anything like that until they would give me a venture and I could sign all the guys

that was a part of my team. You know what I'm saying? Because those guys had already, we had already liked it. Sorry, sorry to coach you, but can you explain what that venture is? Like, what does that mean for people don't understand?

Okay, so ear drummers was an idea that I had when I was, you know what I'm saying, in 2006, 2007. Then I had created the AILC, made it a real production company, it was just me. And then, you know what I'm saying? Then I had my brother A-plus I was going to high school with, you know what I'm saying? Then boom, like, we're creating our sound. And then next year you know, I meet my brother P. Nassie through a mutual. and you know what I'm saying he got he no Mars like you know what I'm saying that Mars no J-bo now I was like man now I was like man we huddle up I got like a vision where it's like man

hey look we're gonna build like a big production company and we're gonna like you know what saying we're gonna like take over the game and we're gonna like just spread our sound like through all type because because I was looking at it like I had like a bunch of songs out in the street with Gucci and juice man and all type of artists in Atlanta but I was like man what's the different between me and like a like a Kanye West or like a like a Dr. Dre or like a, you know what I'm saying, little John or like a Quincy Jones or like, you know what I'm saying? And it was like, man, these guys got a production team.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and so I was like, man, I got to build a solid team. So everybody that was on the team, like, man, we're going through like with a super fine tooth comb like where it's like, man, everybody got to be, we got to be like minded. If we're not lightminded, we're not going to be able to do nothing, you know what I'm saying? So now I've linked up with these like minded brothers right here and we're on a mission. Like, you know what I'm saying? We already got our goals what we want to do.

We want to get a song on the radio. We want to get a label deal. We want to get an album placement. You know what I'm saying? We want to be able to have money take care of our lives. You know what I'm saying? We had simple goals, you know what I'm saying?

And then we just locked down. We're just on it every single day. So during that time, yeah, during that time, it's like, like, I already have my tag and I'm already working with Gucci and different artists and stuff like that. And then we had the eardrumber tag, you know what I'm saying?

And like, these guys were more like, more like chill. Like, they didn't really have no tags at the time. Like, we were trying to figure out what the tabs were going to be and everything like that. So it was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, boom, it's Mike what made the eardrumbers. People don't know. Like, oh, okay, man, he was working with, he worked with Mars on that one. He worked with Pee on that one.

He worked with Scootie on that one. He worked with Spooley on that one. He worked with J-Boh on that one. And let's say, read the credits. You know what I'm saying? But even when the companies didn't know, and they were just hearing Mike Will, through, like, word of mouth, these folks coming at me were, like, big, like, money I'd never even imagine I could get. Right. And at this time, I'm broke.

I got three songs on the charts. I got no lie, turn on the lights, and Mercy and bands make a dance. You know what I'm saying? Like, all them on the lot. I mean, all of them on the charts. But at the same time, we were broke. Like, we weren't getting no money from, like, like, like. like the publishing or whatever, like all that kind of stuff,

because we didn't have our business in order. You know what I'm saying? Like we're getting it out in dirt. So it was like, like, even when these companies is coming at me and saying like, man, we want to give you all this money right here. It's like, nah, I got to, because I was going to Georgia State. You know what I'm saying? I went to Georgia State for a couple years and I learned the music business.

You know what I'm saying? And then I understood like, okay, I can go to these companies and tell them what kind of business I want to do with them. You know what I'm saying? So I want to do a joint venture. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to go to you and talk about doing a joint venture

without already the venture venturing. Right. You know what I'm saying? And so now I'm coming to you talking about like I want to do a joint venture, but like, you know what I'm saying? My guys got placements too. Right.

Me and my guys got placements too. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We got underground placement, we've got radio placement. We've got album placement. We just out here working. This is without any, you know what I'm saying?

Any like entries to the room or like any, like, any kind of people ushering. No investment. Just you guys just working. Yeah, no ushering. It's just like us just working hard. So, boom. So we had it.

So certain companies like, hey, man, we only want to sign you. You know what I'm saying? And certain companies like, man, if we give you the venture, we're only going to give you this. All right, well, I'm going to just hold out. We're just going to all stay broke. You know what I'm saying? All right.

You know what I'm saying? Because if we do something with anybody, we need to have, like, we're doing something with y'all to have financial freedom. Right. You know what I'm saying? So then we can lock in and do what we do best. Like, you feel me? So that's what we're trying to do.

So boom, shout out to Big John. He was leaving EMI. From EMI. And then he was going to Warner. And he told me when he was making that move, he was like, hey, bro, don't do nothing but nobody. Like, you know what I know what I know what I know, I want to? But, man, I want to, I want to, you know what I want to, you know what I want to get,

get it right with you, you know what I'm saying? And there was other executives that really believed in me, like even with Ethiopia, like, she connected me with my manager, DJ, which is Jimmy Albine's nephew. Because Ethiopia met me and knew I ain't had no manager. DJ's Jimmy Arvin's nephew. Nephew. Yeah. Okay, okay. Continue.

Yeah, so Ethiopia, she knew like, okay, man, this young dude got division and he got his stuff going and he got business by this. So he just needed a manager. And then she told DJ like, man, you should go to Atlanta. and meet with this kid, Mike Will, like, man, he's not signing nobody or nothing, but he's making a lot of noise, and he's smart. And it's like, I like what he's building. And then DJ was already known for managing, like, polo, you know what I'm saying, Boy Wonder, hit boy, you know what I'm saying, different people like that.

So it's like, at the end of the day, it's like he was already like a manager for producers and everything. So DJ fly it to Atlanta, and then we chopped it up. And then I just told him, like, hey, look, all these companies coming at me right now. everybody talking to me about management all this kind of shit I'm trying to see who's the first person who's going to go give me this joint venture that I'm talking about

so me and my boys ain't got worried about no money and we can just focus on just like locking in and we get access because we got hits from from Gucci Man to Disney like it don't matter who you put us in with

you got it, you know what I'm saying? We got it like you know what I'm saying and this before we had anything on the radio so DJ was like all right shit I'm gonna get it done like you know what I'm saying so he started working on getting it done But then Big John saw how long I was holding out on it

to the point where Big John was like, man, hey, bro, when I made this move, this is the first move I'm going to do, bro. I see how you keep building it, you know what I'm saying? And then next thing, you know, him and Ryan Press flew me out to L.A., you know what I'm saying? And they wouldn't let me lead until we got the deal done. I was just, I was just negotiating.

I was negotiating shit, but I didn't even know what it was. Yeah, I ain't know what it was necessarily. I'm negotiating it, but they wanted to do it. They're like, man, hey, bro, look, we believe in you. So whatever you're doing. So they bless me and bless my guys. And then started putting this, like, in writing camps. And so they set up a meeting.

They were set up a meeting with me in New York with all the labels. This is my first time in New York in the wintertime. I go up there and try to treat it like Atlanta, like with the thermos in like a jogging suit. Like, I'm thinking I'm in Atlanta. But I learned so. I've been in shorts out there, so I understand you. Man, I learned so quick. That shit.

Humble me, man. That shit was like. the wind was coming through my bones. So I had this last meeting. It was when the sun was down. It was too cold outside. So Ryan Press was like, man, we got one more meeting with RCA. I'm like, nah, bro, I'm not going back outside.

He was like, man, no, you got to go to this one. Like, the whole staff is there. And, like, they kept the staff overtime. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this will be a good one. Like, I'm like, bro. I'm like, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

My manager had to call him DJ. He's like, man, bro, this is, this will be a good. So I'm like, man, okay, this is people who are, I'm newly in business with I can't just be stubborn. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I'm up here in New York. Fuck it.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Boom. Go get in the car. Boom, we go to the motherfucking, we go to the motherfucking meeting. And then they show me a bunch of artists. And then I played them, we can't stop. And it's crazy because I had just told my manager, like, two weeks before, like, man, I was trying to get that song to Miley Cyrus.

I'm like, man, this song reminds me of, like, party in the USA. And so, boom, we had that. me and with RCA, they heard we can't stop, and they were like, yo, this would be good for Miley Cyrus. And I was like, man, I'd be perfect, like, because I ain't know what artists were signed where. So I ain't know Mali Cyrus was signed over there. So they were like, man, this would be good for,

I'm like, hey, that'll be perfect. So going to gave them the song, you know what I'm saying? They played it for her. She heard it. She was like, man, Dan, this reminds me like a party I went to, like, it just sounds fun, like, you know what I'm saying? So she was trying to cut that one, you know what I'm saying? And then we got in the studio, we cut that one,

we did 23. Millie. And thank you for bringing that full circle. Yeah. We went off track, you brought it back. No, no, no. I was just, I would just let y'all know the whole thing.

Because you said, let them know about the venture. I asked me about the venture. And y'all told me, y'all asked me about two. Yeah, I know. You brought it back because I was with the ventures.

I'll be still with quick time. Yeah, yeah, we got like three more. We're good, we good. Three more. Let's go. All right. And by the way, man. I don't want to keep elaborating on this, but it's like,

Mighty didn't want to rap that night. You know what I'm saying? She didn't want to wrap that night. She didn't want to. She didn't come in there and say, hey, I want to make a rap song. Like, it was, we can't stop. We can't stop. It's a singer record.

To her, that just sounded fun. Like, you know what I'm saying? That record just sounded fun. But, like, in my mind, as a producer, like, you know, we producers, we see, like, these pictures, or we see, like, these bigger pictures, and we're trying to push towards something. So during that time, I was trying to, like, me and my spot, we were trying to do something like, like trap pop.

Like some trap pop kind of vibes. Like, we were trying to push the trap sound as pop as possible and see how far we could, like, push it. Because at the end of the day, anybody like my age or younger, like, we all grew up on MTV, VH1, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. But at the end of the day, no, it's a real shit. Shout out to Miley, she believed in the vision.

I respect that, you know. She didn't look at it in no kind of way, like, oh, he's not big enough or he's not small enough. Like, she already was doing what she was doing. She didn't have to do, she didn't have to try shit. She already told me, like, man, I don't want to. And she's already there. She's, no, she's like, I don't want to rap because I don't want people to, I don't want to compute my fans.

I don't want them to think that I'm trying to, like, like go this way. I'm like, she knew there could be some backlash to her rap. Yeah, but I'm like, man, but look, I already got this verse

from Juicy Jay and Wiz, man, I already had to, I'm like, I already got a verse written from Tehran. I got this hook written from Tehran. One of the greatest songwriters of all the time salute this Tehran Rock City. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm like, man, I sit in here with you. We can go line for line until we get a right. But I feel like this would be so hard if you do this, man. Like, it'll be, it'll be game changing.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It'll be like when like, like Britney Spears did like any kind of different record or when Justin Timberlake came with like sexy back I was like man like this a this is like break the mold you know what saying so and you were right yeah let's make sure right right right right man so that was an introduction to trap pop that shit took that shit global you know what I'm saying so beautiful okay and shout out um to um um um um um um Slick Rick man for real Slick was there?

For real. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying he getting paid. Oh, uh. I thought you said Flickrills there like, damn. Off of the record. Yeah. Oh, okay.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Slickickr's a legend, bro. All right. Zathoven or Sunny Digital? I am. We got a toast, man.

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Search the CETO show. And listen now All right South Side or Lex Luger? Man We're gonna go On that one man We're gonna go sizzle man

Shout out to Sizzle You know what I'm saying That's the first That's the first other young nigga I seen come on the scene Like right after me Like I remember when Walker met him You know what I'm saying

I remember when Walker met Lex Luger too I really got a toast to it I just don't want to get y'all too drunk You know what I'm saying We're good Been through it Yeah yeah

Yeah, we really got a toast today, you know what I'm saying? Because I remember when Walker met both with them. So, like, after me and Walker was moving around and we were doing everything with Gucci, because that's when Gucci started doing, like, no pad, no pencil, trapper haulers, like a lot of that mixtap stuff. And, like, you know what I'm saying? He was just, like, going crazy and just freestyle on my tracks. And at this point, like, man, he's saying Walker, flock of flame.

he's saying Mike Will made it Like he's saying like he's fucking with us You know what I'm saying? So it's like Hey man we could do something bigger than like Being these little young dudes Hey you know what I'm saying Keep getting into these fights in the club

And all this kind of shit Like man really going Rockstar status bro like You know what I'm saying We can really take this shit On somewhere So it's like I'm telling Walker like Bro you need a rap

You know what I'm saying He's like man Everybody keep telling me that brother I don't know man I ain't fit Like man no I ain't without that Ooh So one day he called me He's like bro

I did my first rap song, bro. I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm like, I'm like, for real. And then he's like, he's like, man, I'm like, let me hear her. He's like, man, you got to hear this shit, bro. You got to hear this shit. So he's playing me that we're on the way.

And I'm hearing that. I'm like, I'm like, bro, you really just snap, bro. He was like, hey, bro, I'm like, who the hell made that beat? And then he was like, he was like, bro, is this young nigga on Southside? Bro, I just met this young nigga, bro. He reminded me a, bro. He reminded me of you when I first met you, bro.

Like, bro, I'm telling you, bro, he's going, hey, I need to introduce y'all to each other. You know what I'm saying? Y'all NIGAs together, bro. That's like, 808 Mafia? It's the same people, right? Southside started 808 Mafia. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? He was like, man, he was like, man, when I introduced y'all, bro, like, bro, that shit gonna be, like, game changer, bro, like, ah. And then, you know what I'm saying? He had linked me and Southside up, and then, boom, me and Southside were like, we always were rocking. You know what I'm saying? And it was crazy because his mom was trying to put me southside and Lex and Luka in a group.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how Dave had the vision. You know what I'm saying? But then, like, yeah, Dave had the vision. Dale was trying to put me outside Alex in a group. That would be kind of crazy. That would have been super crazy.

But that was around the time I started ear drummers. You know what I'm saying? So it was another executive that was running the production company for Dell. And so everybody else just signed their contracts. Like, with me, I already had a lawyer. I already had, like, family that was lawyer. You know what I'm saying? We, like, you know what I said?

We looked over it. And then I was just letting that executive know, like, man, this isn't going to work because I'm trying to start something called ear drummers. And I can't, like, turn my back on my guys. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I feel like I need to do this. I feel like I need to do this too. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Because, like, you know what I'm saying? Gooch, Walker, everybody embraced me. You know what I'm saying? So I want to get it right, but I want to do it like this. And like, that dude kind of like just, he didn't really know me. We didn't really have a relationship. I have more relationship with, like, walking there, you know what I'm saying? So he kind of, like, just showed me off, you know what I'm saying?

And then at that point, it was like, that's what I want to met, like, like, two chains and future, you know what I'm saying? But Undead, she always been a real auntie, real family to me, like, you know what I'm saying? Her brother Joe is like, my, man, one of my closest mentors. Like, we talk every single day, you know what I'm saying, since 2007, like, you know what I'm saying? And, like, man, they whole family, like, you know what I'm saying, embrace me. like, it's deeper than rap. Like, you know what I'm saying, with them or whatnot? So let me ask you, loyalty or respect?

Respect. Why? A lot of potato chips out there, bro. See, I don't have the exact way of answering this. But loyalty or respect, I probably say respect because it's like, I don't know how to break it down. As long as you respect me, it's like, it's some kind of loyalty there. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I respect that. You feel me? Like, as long as you respect me, it's got to be some type of loyalty there. Right. Because you're not crossing the line of disrespect. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know.

Like, everybody's going to have their own definitions of loyalty. You know what I'm saying? But respect is respect. I don't really have a correct way of answering that, but that's what I would say, yeah. All right. So now. Take a shot.

Oh, no. I forgot that that was that same game. I thought this was me just throwing some out there. Oh, that's the same game. No, it's not the same game. I say both. This is real life. No, it's both.

No, no, no, no. You came back to it and said, yeah, both. You kept it real. We always say both is the, why wouldn't you want both? We say both, okay. Y'all need to stop, bro. My bad. My bad, I've been drinking and smoking.

I thought we were on to the other game. Yeah, definitely take a shot. Shot to them. This is what we like to ask you. Good. I'm a thing. Humble. How does this happen?

So, humble, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to Kendrick, man. He had reached out to me and told me, like, man, he was about to start a new project. So, boom, he comes, comes to the studio, spends the whole, but my matter of how he comes to my career in L.A. Spends damn near the whole. You had a compound. I had a compound then.

I had a crib of LA. And he came over there, and then he was just listening to beats all day. Took a bunch of beats. And then he started, like, sending me, like, different videos. And he was just like, man, showing me, like, different snippets of humble, different snippets of DNA.

And then so I was like, man, then this shit hard. He's like, man, when you get to L.A., I'm like, man, I'm going to be out there on such and such a day. So, boom. When I get out there, I call him, come to the studio. Boom, he played me humble, and he played me DNA, and he played me XXXX. And I'm like, man, my mind was just blown on all three of them, because that shit was like fireworks.

It's like, they all three different directions, but it's like Bright is a motherfucker. So it's like he played me those three, and then Humble was one of them. You know what I'm saying? Like, I made that beat. It was crazy I had made that beat with my brother Plus. I had pulled up on him at this studio. around our way, like, around in, like, the marriot area.

You know what I'm saying? Plus was already over there, and I was just around that area. So, boom, I heard Plus was in there, so I pulled up to the studio, went in the studio, and then, boom, he was in there making beats. I finished just one beat that he started on, and then he said he'd buy the garage outside, smoking a cigarette or whatever, but he was taking a car. So, boom, I literally started humble, cooked out humble. He came in the room.

You know what I'm saying? He's like, damn, bro, you just made this right now? I'm like, man, hey, yeah, bro, this shit going crazy. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I knew, like, Gucci was on his way home. So I was trying to make something like, I was just trying to get a whole pack that was just urgent for Gucci. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, because he was on his way home. So, like, to me, that beat was just urgent. So plus came in there. He was like, man, it's hard. I'm about to bounce this. I'm like, hell no, bro, you got, you got add someone there. So he put the final touches on that joint. And this is my brother from 11 grade.

You know what I did? This is who I did formation with. This is why I did love me with. This is why I did like a lot of classics with. Like he's an animal, man. Shout out the plus. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, he added the final touches on that joint. And then I remember like me and Gucci ended up doing first day out of the feds. And then after first day out of the feds, like Gucci just wanted straight like dark beats. He didn't want nothing else that sounded like urgent or on the radio. So he might have heard the beat for Humble, like, once or twice, but he didn't really... The Humble could have been a Gucci joint?

It could have been, you know, like, producers, we always got, like, a vision on who we want to make the beat for. Like, when I made East Atlanta Six for Gucci back in the day, I was thinking, like, I'm making a beat for dipset. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, you know what I'm saying? But then when Gucci was doing, like, them freestyle tapes is like... He's on that. I played that beat, and then he just went in and snapped on that motherfucker. And it's like, man, this was, this was like a hood.

This is my first joint. This is how I jumped off the porch. And this is a hood classic still to this day. You know what I'm saying? This is 19 years later. You feel me? World off. As a producer, you might have a vision.

But I say all that to say, you might have a vision as a producer. Like, oh, I'm making it beat for this person. But it might not be for that person. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes it is for that person. But, but like, that right there, Gucci already knew. Like, man, I got a person out of the feds.

All right. I want to do all different beats like this. And then me and Zay Tovin started collaborating, and then we did everybody looking, and that project came out, dope. And then DaW was asking me for beats, and I just felt like that beat was always urgent. You know what I'm saying?

But to me also, I felt like that beat was like, damn, this is like, this got like some West Coast vibe to it. It sounds like some West Coast, like, you know what I'm saying, D-Boy's shit, but, you know what I'm saying? But it got like the trap vibe to it. That was perfect for it.

I'm like, man, Kendrick could go crazy on this shit. And he got the vision. That shit fit him perfectly, man. Correct. Went dumb. You know what I'm saying? Shout out the humble. That shit won't, that shit won't a posting.

And you said that you and schoolboy, schoolboy, who connected you with Kendrick, right? How did y'all, you and Schoolboy, Q connect originally? Originally, that was through Brock and Matt. This seems like its early TD time frame. That was through Brock and Matt. You know what I'm saying? They connected me with Q and day three.

And I was just sending, like, Brock and Matt, like, a bunch of beats. And then my hating joint ended up being one of the joints of schoolboy Q at P. And then they sent it back. And I'm like, damn, this dude, hard as a motherfucker. Project ended up dropping. And at that time, me and Q used to just stay chopping it up or either whenever he came to Atlanta, like, you know what I'm saying? We'll link up, go to some of his shows and different shit like that.

And we just kept a lockdown like that. Like, TDE, that's family. And it's crazy before I even came around. around, like, I think, like, DJ has something to do with helping, like... DJ head? No, no, DJ. Oh, I think he's a DJ. Yeah, my manager, DJ, he has something to do with, like, even with TD coming in, like, you know what I'm saying, with Interscope.

So it's like, that shit was always family. It was always, like, one degree separation. We're done to always working at the same studios and all that shit. But, like, I'm happy, I'm happy humble, landed where it landed. I'm happy first day out of the fairs, landed where it landed. landed and it's like that's just how things end up working their stuff out. Right, they went to the right places man. Pull it up.

Mm-hmm. How did that happen? Pour it up, man. That was a dope session, man. Like, that was really, that was Rihanna Wright in camp. And I was locked in with, um, Tehran and P. Nassie and Mars. And then it was like, man, we worked on a lot of different songs.

We worked on, we actually worked on, we can't stop and like some more songs during like during like um like around that time like just in the in the vein of like man we're gonna we're gonna do something for like riana or like just a pop star you feel me and um and riana had been working on the album for a minute and so they were bands make a dance was hot at the time so they were telling me like man yeah yeah so they were just telling me like man Juicy J. Yeah. So they were just telling me, like, man,

if Rihanna get a female version of this song, man, she need, like, a song like this out of just, like, because Vans and Maker Dance was, like, blue hot. Like, it was just, like, everywhere. Like, everybody, like, man, it's still, like, it's still so many remixes that I want to hear that I never heard that I heard about, you know what I'm saying, for Banz and Make a Dance.

Word. So, anyway, I had this one beat, and I remember this specific beat because I tried to give it to Walker. And Walker was like, man, bro, you're trying to make me do a whole other bands to make a dance. Brother, this beat sounds like bands to make a dance. You know what I remember he said that

and I was just like, that's a different beat, but it's like, so what, bro, this is the vibe. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, niggas was doing that with Liljohn, but this is my brother, this Walker. So he's like, bro, give me some whole new shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when he said that, it stood out to me

and then when they kept asking, like, man, we want the female version of bands to make a dance. It's like, I literally played that same. beat for Tehran, Taran just walked it down, quick, and then Chris Brown, he had pulled up to the studio,

you know what I'm saying? And, like, he was listening to a bunch of different records and he ended up coming in the room. He was fantastic. No, do you think. Yeah. He ended up coming in the room,

and then, boom, he heard, he heard, like, a few different records, but he heard pour it up, and he was like, man, yo, So, man, did re hear this one? And I was like, I'm like, nah. And then he was like, he was like, man, Reed. But Rick got to hear this one.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and then, boom. So I was like, man, shit, bro. You know what I'm saying? That would be hard. And the next thing I know, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Man, what's this record that Chris is talking about?

Pour it up. You know what I'm saying? And she asked Omar that. And then Omar had hit me. It was like, man, yo, she asked him about pour it up. So boom, send him to pour it up. she heard it, she was like, oh, yeah, no, no, this shit is fun. Like, this shit is dope.

You know what I'm saying? She, man, she took that shit, like, out of here. Like, she sounded amazing on that joint. And I remember when I first heard that joint, I was like, man, yo, this shit is, this shit is out of here. It was nothing like that ever before, like, when it came out. That was, like, some trap pop type shit, like. That shit was dope.

For real. Bands to make a dance with some trap pop. Your teenage version of yourself is primed to be a producer. Who were your top five inspirational producers at that time in your life? Teenage. Definitely hypnotized mind by Juicy J&D.J. Paul. You know what I'm saying? Definitely organized noise.

Definitely Mani Fresh. Definitely for real. And Timberland, you know what I'm saying? And Dr. Dre too, though. You know what I'm saying? For a word. And where are you on, like, how much do you sample, actually sample? Like, how much is that a part of your repertoire?

Like, I don't, see, me, I'm like an open, like, an open, like, mind when I, when it kind of creativity, like, I look at making beats and making songs like cooking or, like, you know what I'm saying? Playing golf is, like, it's just art. It's just layers. So, like, when it comes to, like, sampling, like, if it's a sample, like, I got a record with Savage on my album, you know what I'm saying? I had got that sample from, you know what I'm saying, like, a guy that I collaborate with, you know what I'm saying? And when I heard the sample, I was just like, oh, yeah, this shit hard, immediately laid drums on that motherfucker, you know what I'm saying?

And so that was just organic like that. But then it's like I got another song where, you know what I'm saying? I might have like a vinyl out and I might just be like, just like scratching something like into the song and like it might go with the rhythm or even like DNA on when I, when I sample Ray James, like give me some gongra. I ain't know that was Rick James, give me some gonger. Like that beat was just going so hard and I was like, I was waiting on my boy plus to pull up with the weed too.

You know what I'm saying? So when I hit that sample, it was just right on point. He was like, give me some gongja. Give me some guy to give me, give me some gonger. You know what I'm saying? Give me, give me a minute. And then Kinchik was just over there, like, going crazy. And the speakers were so loud.

But Kendrick was going to go crazy. I was like, hey, bro, I ain't going to lie. That shit kind of hard, like how you, like with how you rapping. Because it's kind of like, give me some gonger. Kind of like, it's like, give me some more bars. Right, right. They kind of go with it. And, like, that was an accident.

You know what I'm saying? That was an accident. And we ended up, I ended up clicking that joint in there. Is sampling your. go-to first thing, or is it like... I'm with whatever, man. Not really, you know what I'm saying? But I'm with whatever.

I say drums are my first thing. But I just like making something different. So if I can fuck a sample up, or if it's some shit I never heard before or some shit that's inspiring... You could do it all. Hell, yeah, like, that shit is fun. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Definitely depending on who I'm in the studio with, you know what I'm saying? With the squad, like, everybody thinks it's different. So it's just like, man, we're just trying to make something sound is different. and out of box and unique as possible. However, like you use any tool in the toolbox. Exactly, for sure.

I want to learn how to use AI. Oh, so what's your take on Tim and what he's trying to do with AI? What's Tim doing? Basically, isn't he got AI artists, right? That's what he's trying to do, and he got backlash for it, I believe? What is it? Right, but it's an AR artist. And basically his whole thing was that,

And I don't, you know, I'm not quoting him verbatim, but he was just basically saying, look, I got ideas that maybe artists I work with don't have the same ideas. And I want to be able to put these ideas out. And so AI artists will, you know, allow him to do these things. Yeah. To me, I look at, I look at, I don't have nothing against, like, AI at all. Like, I look at AI like a new tool. Like, if you're a creative, you know what I'm saying? It's like a new tool.

So it's like, like, I was telling somebody the other day, that I had just said in this interview that I remember I had went to my first hip-hop concert with Bone Thurts and Harmony and I was like, yeah, I was like six, seven years old and my pops took me and then when we left my pops was like, man, you know what, man, music is done.

I'm like, man, what you mean? And then he was like, he was like, man, it was no instruments on the stage because he was used to going to like Ohio players and then to Earth Winter Fire. Yeah. Like all those different bands. So he's like, it was no instruments on stage.

You were like, it was just a DJ out there with turntables, dudes just yelling in the microphone, like, it's done. But, like, that same type of music and that culture, that hip-hop culture right there, it's like, I was able to move mountains with it. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, with AI, this at the same time where everybody's saying, like, shit is dry,

and shit is done, and shit sound the same, or this and that, this and that. And then it's like, oh, they're doing AI. I still haven't heard the song, or I haven't met anybody who's heard the song, and it's like, hey, bro, you got to. hit this new AI shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Well, they wouldn't know it's AI, though. No, but, like, even, but a person can't wait to tell you, like, man, hey, bro,

you know this AI, right? They can't, they can't, you know what I'm saying? They're like, you can damn there, yeah, you can damn there here, like, when there's AI. So you got to utilize it like a tool. If you can't get a bit choir, utilize it like that. Or if you can't get this or you can't get that, you got utilizing it like that. But that's like, that's like, if you get, like, a keyboard and you just go get the stock beats. Nobody goes to the keyboard and gets the stock beats. They use the keyboard and make beats.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Nobody expects to use the stock beats. So when you go to like these AI platforms, they're showing you what it can do. You know what I'm saying? But that's just showing you what it could do. Now you got to utilize a motherfucker like a keyboard or whatever and you got to utilize it like a tool and expand the sound. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, certain people creativity level just hit right here. You know what I'm saying? It's all about how creative people could do, you know what I'm saying? I think I think there's pros and cons to it because there's definitely I saw something I don't know how accurate this report is They said that some of the top music that was playing on Spotify was all AI generated groups

And and but at the same time like right now, you know at the same time if somebody wasn't a student of the game or wasn't like Like a student of music or it wasn't a creator or like hasn't created any type of music It's gonna be hard for them to pull up one of these AI you know what I'm saying platforms or whatever or the apps or whatever and make a song Right like they already have to have it in them

To be able to utilize that tool It got it comes from somewhere Yeah it got to come from somewhere So it's like Like you gotta even know like Oh man let me mix this with that And you know what I'm saying It's just like cooking

You can go in the kitchen With a whole bunch of seasoning And the sauces and protein and whatever You know what I'm saying You can fuck the shit up You can burn it you can do whatever it is Like you know what I'm saying Or not cook it all the way right

you can get sick and all that shit. Or you can, we got a cook-off. We can use the same season or whatever, and we can make two totally different dishes. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's all about how you use that shit, you know what I'm saying? And if somebody uses the AI shit and it's cheesy,

they will probably go in the studio and make a cheesy joint too. But the argument could be made. You know, these tech companies are kind of like the new record labels, right? We kind of could say that. You said the tech companies. They're kind of like the new record labels in a sense. The streaming platforms, the social media. That's how music is being promoted a lot.

Yeah, but it's different because the music, I just say it's different because those are more retail and like, you know what I'm saying? The record labels are more like distribution. Right, right. But they distribute now through DSPs. Exactly, which is retail. Right, but it's not like old school

where you had to go physically and distribute. They're still using tech, is what I'm saying. Yeah. The techs are now. now the gatekeeper. The distribution, yeah. So my thing is that my worry is that just like the idea that maybe record labels at some point started dumbing down music to a degree to make it easy for them to reproduce

it and make money off of it and not have to deal with talent, real talent, you know what I'm saying? Maybe this happens in AI, like these DSPs, these tech companies, eventually start phasing out. Like, of course, you're never going to be replaced. but I'm talking about the generation under you and the generation under that. If they started getting desensitized to real music,

then AI becomes a problem. Yeah, it's all about, I feel like when they're kind of like being able to produce and being able to create music, man, it's all about how good of a student you were. You know what I'm saying? Like the best artists, the best producers, the best, everything,

they were a student of something, like other music. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, and then it's all about, your creativity level and how you collaborate. The best song is the best collaboration. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, it's like, I don't see AI. Like I said, once I hear that song, that's like,

but I ain't like this. I can't go without hearing this song. Like, you know what I'm saying? For the most part, it's still like artists that people are connecting to. Sometimes it might be songs that's just, you know what I'm saying, that's just playing. And somebody might have created something that's easy,

on the ears and putting the right marketing dollars behind it and pushing it a certain type of way that you know what I'm saying that but you know like that's cool that's like their creation and that's what they push and that's like it's going to connect just like another song is going to connect or like anything everything has is like like it's moments type shit if that makes sense and I just I just feel like the AI shit is like it's so broad that it's like it could be used as a tool or it could be used to make a whole song. And I don't think, I don't think it's like us versus AI thing. I think it's like, how do we utilize AI to make the biggest joint?

And because you got the technology side, but then we still real humans. Like, we're still going outside. We're still seeing shit. We still hearing cars ride by. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're still in the barbershops. We're still, like, amongst people. So it's like, you got that world, just like you got the world.

where people sit in the house with the goggles all day and they'd be somewhere in the metaverse and that kind of shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got that world and you got like, like the real world. Like, is that shit playing in the cars and the clubs in the radio or is the people playing it

or people talking about it? Did it impact culture? Like, you know what I'm saying? In any type of way, like, did anybody care that this joint came out? You know what I'm saying? And I think that's something that they're going to have to figure out. It's like, what's going to be the presence

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Electrifying. We can't stop. I just said game change, right? Um, trend setting. Okay. They tell me that song won't go work. Really? Yeah.

Well, we can't. Because, yeah, because at that time, pop radio was EDM. So it was at a certain tempo. And we can't start was like, this part that we can do what you want. Right. And it's like, bro, no matter what you do, bro, you cannot slow down pop radio. It ain't going to happen, bro. They're not going to let this sound slow down pop radio.

Like, this is how it works. Shit, change the game. Wow. Full it. Damn. One word. whatever you want I'll accept whatever

he said three words now okay I'm falling that was um that she was like that she was like that she was damn it like a dream bro I ain't gonna lie

you know what I'm saying because like I gotta tell a little story I'm falling I'm gonna keep a brief but y'all got me drinking so you don't got to keep you know what I'm saying

but like man shout out to on DJ you know what I'm saying like he he was a part of a lot of M&M projects like you know what I'm saying the whole time yeah yeah so that's what following was on that so um ex-sacian was on that as well

oh you're talking about oh oh you're talking about oh you're talking about um XXXX and Lil Pee I'm talking about that yeah yeah okay okay XXX and Lil Pee okay um that one is um

that one is that one's that one's like wavy yeah wavy salute to both of them you know what I'm saying

rest in peace XXXXXXXXXXXX um yeah that was that was that was crazy both for them is said what both of them

are past yeah God bless yeah man rest and peace of both of them man like that was that was just

that was just waving This record is totally different. Yeah. Okay. No, falling, it was a unique situation, man, because Maconna, I had gay that beat to Maconna, you know what I'm saying? So, like... No, McCona.

He's good. No, I'm thinking of, I'm going to Estesion. No, McCona. So, Maconna had wrote the joint, you know what I'm saying? He was already, like, with our production company, you know what I'm saying? He was part of that venture as well. Yeah, for sure. He part of that publishing.

as well with Big John. He was one of my first signings, along with Ray Shimmer, you know what I'm saying? This is before the break stuff? Yeah, for sure. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? So, um, so, boom, like,

I had gave him that beat, and, and he had, he had, him and little Pete were already working on a project. So him and little Pete had did the song together, you know what I'm saying? And it was already a dope song. Then Wiz Khalifa did a song the same beat, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, me and Wiz,

already had so much history and then I was just trying to like figure out like which one do I make another beat for both of the songs were like so good you know what I'm saying and I thought Wiz was going to end up using I thought he was going to end up using that beat because he told me he was going to like hold it and then that was the beat that McCona

and Pete ended up doing that song too and then after that after that year man like that song was done, they had it on this project, and then I think, um, like one of the music executives had let, um, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, he had passed, and he heard it and was like, man, yo, yo, this is a, this is a dope song, like, and he ended up doing a verse to it,

and then he ended up passing away. I never got a chance to meet X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, X, I didn't meet him? I didn't even get a chance to meet him, and it's crazy, man, my man, Adam. This is in my notes. This is. My man Adam, my man Adam Lieber had, was just connecting us right before he, right before he passed away. You know what I'm saying? But, man, that man was so talented.

Like, I wish we could have, you know what I wish we could have, like, I know we would have went crazy. Word up, yeah, Florida dude, for sure. Imagine, like, this is in my notes. What's your nose? Let's see you know. Like, I thought y'all met. Yeah.

A 1 million percent thought you I met. Yeah. Man, I wish we would have met. You know what I'm saying? I know we would have went crazy because, like, he was another, like, young rock star that was, like, pushing it forward, you know what I'm saying? And to me, that's what you do.

Like, you make rock stars. Yeah. Ray swimming is a rock star. Like, like, race swimming is not, like, they rock star. Like, to me, that's what you make. But, see, I won't even take the credit of, like, I get what you're saying.

I appreciate that. But I want to take the credit of, like, making them. You know what I'm saying? I can identify what a rock star is. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's like, it's like if we never wore a suit before and then we walk in time for it, they already know like, oh, yeah, I need to put him in this and like, I need to cut it like this and he's going to like it like that.

Like, you know what I'm saying? That's like a producer. That's like a tailor, you know what I'm saying? So it's like I can see a rock star and be like, man, I ain't going to lie. He just need to do this right here. And like, man, we're going to end up, you know what I'm saying, doing something. some shit that's going to change the game. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I knew what it was when I met Pluto. Like, I knew what it was when I met Sway. Like, I knew what it was when I met, like, I knew what it was when I met, like, I mean, Chief Keep was already, you know what I'm saying? Like, kicking the door in making noise. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

I love the fact that he was standing the next to you. That's my brother right there. You know what I'm saying? Wired up. You know what I'm saying? But, no, I just knowing what it is, Sidch Raram? You know what I'm saying? Miley Cyrus is like, you know what I'm saying?

You just seeing like the rock star, like, I can't say I made Miley Cyrus, but it's like, you know what I'm saying? We already, she already had a major fan base of Hannah Montana. It's like, man, we just gave her a new identity or something that, you know what I'm saying, that we was even vibed me to like, damn, like, hold up, this shit kind of hard. I fought with this. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's like, it's just being able to identify.

I don't, I don't make them. They already are made. I just can identify, like, the it factor, you know what I'm saying? No matter how big or how up and coming or anything, like, I don't look at it like a wave to ride. Like, I always was trying to, like, create the wave, like, with somebody, like, man, we're going to create a wave. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, as soon as y'all think y'all could semi-forget about JuC. But we're going to come back bands, band, make a dance, smoke a nigger, you know what I'm saying?

show out, you know what I'm saying, stealing this bitch, like, 23, like, we're going crazy, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, as soon as y'all think y'all could overlook future, like, you know what I'm saying, we're going, dirty Sprite, ain't the way around it, itching, you know what I'm saying, turn on the lights, never end,

new Bugatti, you know what I'm saying? Like, all kind of joint shit's just back to back, like, move that dope, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, pardon me, you know what I'm saying? And then it's like, as soon as you think, like, I don't ever listen to a might as far as a song. Man, you're talking about, man, with my Jays on. You know what I'm saying?

Like, now overseas, they're moving like this. They weren't never moving like this in certain rooms. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they're moving to the bounce. Like, you know what I'm saying? And then it's like, but she's cool enough to even want to even do that joint. You know what I'm saying? I trust the process.

Some artists will be like, no, my fan's not going to like it. I don't do that kind of music. I'm not doing that. Right. It's too risky. You feel I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So that's rock star shit, man.

Well, she comes from that lineage. Her pops was the rock star, too. Yeah. You kept that real nigger shit, man. No, I appreciate that, right. I swear to God, man. Let me just tell you something. Taking the picture?

Yeah, we're taking the picture. But I don't ever want you to ever think that our culture don't understand how much you mean to us. Man, I love the culture, man. Hey, look, you know, I used to think. like that. I used to think like that, but I said it, I was like, man, this next run is for everybody who believe, man, because we proved a hate this wrong a long time

ago. You know what I'm saying? We proved the haters a long time ago. It's so many people that believe, there's so many people in the culture that's like that, like you said, like, man, that ended up telling me, you're going to over it. I got your back, man. I appreciate that. The coach will believe you, man. There's more positivity and there's negativity. There's way

it's louder. It's way. It's louder. It used to be louder, but this is really louder, because I ain't going to lie. I grew up. got your back. It seems louder. Let me change it. It seems louder. Thank you.

But positivity is way more. Yeah. You, you're listening. You demand, slime. I appreciate that too. I appreciate that shit. And in case you don't know, and in case you don't know,

and in case you don't know. Listen, we got your back over here. That's hard. One million percent. And you kind of don't need us. But we want you to know that we got your back.

We're here. We're here. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're doing good, but great. But, but, but, but that's what. That's, that, that, that shouldn't be. Nah, that's not enough. What, what, what, uh, we are doing. Over here, let me just tell you something, Mike.

I'm sorry, I, I, I don't mean to call you, Mike. Not in real. I don't know if I, I don't even know what I can do. I don't even don't get the wheel to call you Mike. Right? But let me just say something. You got the bars, though. Now, I still get the bars.

But let me just tell you something. You're one of the best producers out there, brother. And me and my brother, this motherfucker right here. We love giving people their flowers. We love making sure that people understand that in hip-hop. this is what we doing. There's legacy. This is your fucking home.

Anytime you fucking... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime you fucking feel like you want to... Not the pink toenails, though, please. I'll buy the still, my... Listen, my nails...

That's his go-to. You want to promote your pink toenails. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I got black toenails. It's horrible. That's horrible. It's horrible.

Where's my brother-in-law? What's like my mom? Oh, my God. Oh, look, look, look, look, look, look, look. Oh, I have black toenails. It's terrible. But listen, no, no, no, no. Mike Will.

Mike Will, let me just say something. This is your platform. Yeah. This is your home. Anytime you ever want to promote, you want to talk, you want to tell people, you want to say that, yo, this is, this is, this is your platform. And all right. One million percent.

And I look at that, your watch. Your watch is fucking fantastic. Yeah. Mike, Mike, I just wanted you to know this. Whenever you want to talk anything, this is your platform. Yeah. Look at us. This is your platform.

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