Drink Champs - Episode 496 w/ Teddy Riley

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary Teddy Riley!Step into a legendary vibe as Teddy Riley pulls up for a timeless conversation that bridges eras. Widely known as the architect of New Jack Swing, Teddy breaks down how he blended hip hop drums with R&B melodies to create a whole new sound that changed the game forever. From his early days producing for icons to forming groups like Guy and Blackstreet, Riley gives fans a behind-the-scenes look at the hits that defined a generation.N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN keep the energy flowing as Teddy shares stories about working with legends, navigating the music industry, and staying innovative through decades of change. He also opens up about the evolution of production, the importance of ownership, and how his influence still echoes in today’s sound.With plenty of laughs, classic Drink Champs moments, and deep industry gems, this episode is both a history lesson and a celebration of greatness. Whether you're a producer, artist, or true hip hop head, Teddy Riley’s episode is a must-watch that honors the roots while inspiring the future.Make some noise for Teddy Riley!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's your boy, N-O-R-E. What up is DJEFN. And this military-tameat-cray-old. Make some nerd! When I tell you, this man is an icon, this man is a legend. This man has shaped he has made so many babies throughout this world

because the music that they was making babies too he was making it for you for decades and decades and decades they said he grabbed a guitar at three years old and was making beats then I'm making that more I'm making that one

this man is a legend he's a legend a legend from from all the icons that he's worked with and he's this is something that I've been wanting to do for so many years

when we started this show we said that we wanted to give people that paved the way before us and this is a legend this is a real icon this is a person that when you look up I'm sorry to say it but when you look up music

his picture shit is going to be right there music not black music not hip hop not R&B music period. This man has done the way he's, the reason why most of us is here and we won't give you your flowers today.

We want to show you how much you mean to us. And in case you don't know who we're talking about, the one, the only, they're impeccable, motherfucking tiny wild. Before I get into everything, right, I'm going to tell you which is a great moment with me, right? Me and you are watching Farrell's movie, right? We're both at the familiar.

Sitting across from each other. Sitting across from each other. And this is how I know you are a real person. I saw a genuine love. When you saw him on that screen, I was sitting right directly behind you. So I got to see you like how I'm looking at EFN right now. And I saw you.

And then look, and the only other time I've ever saw this in life, I mean, in music business, let me just limited to that, was one time I went with, with Nas and he watched Raq him perform. And I saw the joy

in Knopf's face watching his his, that's his leader, right? And this is your protege. This is, I know you, your humble guy, so, yeah, but I saw the happiness in your face.

Yeah. I got to see it and I was like, that is so, that is so rare and seldom that people like you show that love. of, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, I sincerely saw that, man. I was so happy.

I'm always forever proud. And then I remember, I remember me talking to you. And I was like, you know, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing in this movie. And you said, me neither. Yeah, we didn't. It was five years before. Okay, so let's take it from there. Did you know this was a Lego movie?

Because I didn't know until I was in there. I was totally. it was an animated movie. Ain't that what I told you? They never said Lego. They said animated. All right. Okay, they lied to you just like that.

He just said when the trailer came out. We were trying to tell them how big it was and he still didn't understand. I was like, no, I don't get it. I mean, same thing. Somebody called me and said, yo, your studio's coming down. Like, it's just dropping. Right. I was like, whoa.

So when I first saw it, when I saw it, so this is crazy. What's next? And then it shows a little snippet. of me and I was like, oh, I look funny. I had the big, the big, splitting my teeth and everything. It was really wide. I was like, okay, this is, this is dope. Then I had, I changed clothes.

In the movie. In the movie. That's like you in real life. I had a different call. I had a different call. Yeah. So it's so dope. Like, you know, I've been.

we've been doing this. We're going on 10 years. 10 year anniversary. Next month. And what I like to do is, you know, I want to do research. And I've got to say, and I've said this a couple of times, but what I got to say is your history is probably the richest history I've ever like really like Googled and like just got. Because like you controlled music for maybe four decades.

Yeah, I've been in four. This is my 40th year. This is your 40th year, right? And I'm looking, and I'm like, damn, bro, you know what's crazy? I don't remember not knowing you. That's real. That's real. Like, since I was.

Since you were aware of music. Since I was aware of, that's what's crazy. I feel like I know you my whole life, and I know I don't. Right, right, right. But the same thing. That's how, yeah. I feel the same way because you come and move for well. That's right.

That's right. Grandchildren. That's right. That was the beauty part of seeing that too because obviously I had an album before I met Ferrell. Ferell took a chance on me and I took a chance on him. Right. But let's take it to the beginning now, right? A lot of people credit you from Virginia, right? And they say that he's full.

A lot of people don't know. Not only you from Harlem, you're from the toughest part of Harlem that probably ever, existed. This bitch is with you, Rich Florida. Yeah. We went to high school together. You went, wait, okay, time out. Because a lot of people don't know that. Like, you know. That was your peer. Huh? That was literally your peer. Yeah. I mean, it's my big brother. Yeah. You know, when we went to high school, we used to

scramble. Scammer? Gamble. Oh, gamble. Okay. Yeah. I heard you a gambler. High school. Me, um, D. Ferg. D.Ferg, yes. Wait, wait. How about Aesab Ferg is like my nephew? Yes, Aesab Ferg, which is Dberg's... I went to school with his father. Yes, it's crazy.

So all of the fathers, you know, our sons, you know, y'all... Yes, yes, no problem. We take it. So, D. Ferg used to do all of our trucks. He did all the graffiti on our jeeps, our Pathfinders. Wow, that's crazy. MVP's, you know. MPB. MPB, I knew exactly what you meant. Don't worry about it.

Forget that. But yeah, I went to school with almost everybody from the hood. Right. But I lived in every borough though, except Staten Island. Assets that now. I lived in Brooklyn. Okay, wow. We started Uptown.

Oh, wow. I lived in Queens. Wow. But not long. Okay. I lived in the Bronx when I moved from the projects, That was the first place I moved was Riverdale. Okay, yeah, Riverdale.

And we got some problems up there. Yeah, that's before they had a Starbucks. Now they got a Starbucks up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And then I moved to Jersey in Biggie's old house. Oh, in Great Neck. Right, okay. Yeah.

So how does, because I want to stay there for a second. people know who Rich Porter and Alpo is now, right? Were you ever, like, when you ever felt like you were in, like, danger or, like, just being around them, or they were just irregular? That's my guys. Yep. Alpo, last time I see Alpaw's, it was 2019.

I gave a hundred at the Apollo. Okay. He came to my dressing room. Okay. You know, even though he killed my best friend, you know, we have to learn how to forgets, you know what thing. Life is short. I knew it when it came from us, but I knew a lot of people, you know, was, they had it. And that's how close you was to Rich Porter?

Because I think you just said that's your best friend, right. Wow. It's like my brother. I mean, Rich Porter, him and A-Z kicked me off the street. I heard you say that I would like to read But it wasn't I got kicked off of like

For good reasons though For four blocks Because they knew I was into music And they're like yo So Rich Porter was just Give me it Give me money

And it's like Yo I need you to stay out Trying to protect you Yeah But at one point Outpo put about $2 million in my trunk She

I was actually in California Presenting the guy album to MCA. And my brother, Markell, from Rex and Effect, had my car. He pulled up on my brother. He said, take this briefcase, put in the trunk, tell your brother, I want to be in the music

business. And I said, I said, get that shit back. Immediately. He said, give it back. Tell him him, you mean, I'm going to be in California for a while. Right. And, you know, I'll talk to him when I get back. So, up when I

You know, we always had that. That's how we went to Virginia Beach. Do you know they're the cause? We all the cause of going to Virginia Beach. We used to charter a bus. Right. And just take a bunch of girls and everybody. We just go down there and just go to King's Dominion, you know, just have fun.

Have the jet skis. And when I went down there, I just said, yeah, I said to my fiancé at the time, my ex. I said, if I moved anywhere, I want to move here. Not thinking there's no music, there's no scene. There was nothing for me to grab on to. I had to create that. And that's what I did. I created jobs for people.

I created places for kids to go and things for kids to do to stay off the streets. And it definitely worked. I had shoot, Alan Iverson was on my celebrity basketball. I remember. And Kevin Gardner, You know, all of them came down. Penny Holloway. They came down.

Everybody always wanted to see what is going on in Virginia Beach. That everybody just keep going down there. And like you said, there's something that in the water. Oh, yeah. Definitely. You believe that there's something in the water? It's always, always have been. That's why we went down there.

Right. You know, when I went down there, it was just nobody who was like Jimmy Buffett. Mm-hmm. You know. and I just say, you know what? Because the area is like, yo, are you sure you don't want to go back to New York? I was like, nah, I'm just staying here.

But they thought we were drug dealers. Yeah. We had Ferraris, everything. And we had to prove ourselves, you know, to these cops because they kept coming into the studio investigating us. And we finally got to them. And they was asking us, what could we do for the community? Or maybe you can help us.

And we went to, we asked them to introduce us to the principal of the school, where Farrell went to school and chat. And long behold, we talked to the principal and we asked them, could we do some challenge shows here? He said, only one condition. Can our students participate? I said, of course, that's the purpose of us doing it here. And one thing led to another, we had the first talent show, and everybody's, you know, we had judges that came down, some from New York. And Tammy Lucas was there, and she was one of the judges. And I have to give Tammy the credit because, you know, Tammy was like, you got to check these young boys out, you know.

They're playing on tables and shit, you know. like banging on tables and spitting fire. So I said, I'm going to check them out. Everybody was going for the people who's singing, I will always love you, the greatest love of all. Somebody who holds a long note and everybody's, like that's not it. When Farrell and them got on,

they didn't have the concept, but they came out and he was spitting. Are you talking to a talent show, right? That was a show, yeah. They started switching instruments. I was like, that's it. Yeah, because you picked them to win the title. That's crazy. Yeah.

I was like, nah, you're like, I'm going backstage. I'm going to talk to them. And I always felt like I owed you money. Because Tammy Lucas, he just brought her up. A lot of people don't know. Tammy Lucas is that voice that you hear, what, what, what, what, yeah, I know that. And for years, people would come up to me and say, you know, that's, that's Teddy Riley artists.

And I would be like, holy shit, who do I? So I didn't know, but that's a, that's an unhitting gym right there. She's amazing. You know, we're actually cranking up the new New Jack Swing tour. Wow. And we just sold out of, at Marmar. We sold out of concert. and I didn't think I could do it by myself.

And I just say, you know what? If sell out, sell out. But the mayor told us, yo, y'all the only ones that's all out here. Wow. Let's make some noise for that. But we are supposed to come back for jazz in the garden and something else we're performing at. And I said, I'm going to bring high five.

I'm going to bring everybody. Dougie Fresh. Wow. And I just said, you know what? I just want to open up shop and, you know, we're looking at places here just, you know, kind of. Because my wife, you know, her family lives here. I said, you know, let's get a second home here. That's right.

And I just kind of start something. So I'm going to bounce around a little bit. Kids at work. Was that? Don't look them up. I heard you. I specifically heard you in an interview. And you said, do not look that up.

And I had to. So then you look them up. And you brought him up to. I had to. And I'm like, holy shit. For people who's starting out, right? Me and he makes fun of me all the time. My first MC name was MC Yahoo with the ball to bean.

So kids at work is better. But let's take us to those days. What was that you to, you guys, to form that group? Actually, it was Tammy Gatlin, the original member of God. Okay, wow. And the other cat is our big brother, Clarell, who's now, he's like one of the most sorted out, most sorted out vocal coach. He works with a lot of singers. And we're all still doing our things, but Timmy Gatlin was the one who I started kids at work with.

you know and um we did a record we did a you know album didn't do nothing so that's made that's what made me just quit doing r&B so i was doing rap right i did uh kumodi deli fresh yeah it's crazy 20 g the wab dance the anthem that's new generation which has been sampled so dice got you back into R&B? Yeah. Okay. With Kee Sweat, you know. With Kee Sweat, yeah.

That's what got me back into doing R&B. And the first record I did was I want to. And I just said, you know what? This is, this is, I'm going to make something out of this. See, I said just jumped out of me. I'm sorry. It's all good. It just hit me.

I'm sorry. It's all good. But that's where my music just started evolving. Okay. in my life as well, you know, because coming from the hood, you know, you never know how you're able to get out, you know, and really make something out of yourself. I've not seen a few people like, it's a little before your time, but the Aline twins. The Aline twins, I know the Aline twins. Yeah, yeah, of course I know.

Yeah, yeah, one of them passed away. God bless me. Yeah, yeah. Leroy Burgess, all those cats are all from Harlem. Mm-hmm. Black Ivory. They had on radio. I thought that Halley, Twins was from Brooklyn.

I thought they was from Brooklyn. But no, no, no. They know what? Yeah, they brought me Harlem. Yes, yes. Yes. But all of us, we lived everywhere. Right.

You know, in New York. It's like. Right. But coming up, when I was hustling, I was going to Harlem World, the actual. Harlem World, the actual skate club. No, no. It wasn't a skate club.

It was a club. Okay. It was a club. 16th Street. Okay. in Lennox Avenue. I used to go and see all of the rappers, like, you know, Furious Five, Crash Crew. B, Zeeb.

I was at the battle when, Coom O.D. You're on the ground level of it all. Yeah, I was at when Kumo D was battling BZB, L.L. Kouche, everybody was there. And sitting through that being a fan, never thought I would be working with all of them. is like surreal. And that's my thought of pattern of like that. Will I ever make it out of Harlem?

So all I wanted was my records to play on the radio. I didn't even think about money. I just thought about I need to get my music out there. And it got out there more than I thought of it. Right. You know, because one record led to another and, you know, radio stations started really taking a, you know, taking a like into my music. So when I started R&B with Keith Sweat,

you heard of Frankie Crocker. I don't want to say names if you were like, yo, I was too young. No, no, no, no, no. But say the names anyway. If we don't know, we need to dig in the crates. Frankie Crocker was the one that broke, uh, uh, I want to. Frankie Cocker was the guy on a radio station, correct? Yeah, he was.

like he was like back then the most paid radio guy for lack of the better term probably what we were He was the star of radio like Yeah

Okay There you go Okay So Frankie He debuted Uh wanna And it was on Jam at a slam it

And everybody slammed it Slam it Slam it's the bad one That's the bad one Okay So Frankie took it upon himself You know To go against the grain

And say you know Y'all made slam this record, but I'm a jam this record because y'all don't understand. This is the new wave. And when he did that, I felt like Robert Townsend on a step movie

he's like, they're playing it. They're playing it on the radio, Mom. I know that movie. So was it good God, not five heartbeats, right? No, it wasn't the five. Oh, you know what? Okay, I don't remember. But

you need. But that's how I felt, you know, and my mother was there with me and it's like we're hearing the record on the radio. But before all of that, my mother made me do the poor man copyright. The mailing? Yeah. So I mailed the tape.

To yourself. Back to myself. Okay. Yeah, that's copyright. Yeah, that's the poor man. That's what it's called. Damn. With the, yeah.

The postmark is what I did that. You know, she was like, because when she first heard it, she didn't know what it was, but she was like, this sound good. You know, I used to always get how you say bothered by the neighbors, you know, because I was making a lot of noise. A lot of noise, yes, of course. And then, like I said, when it started evolving,

then everybody started like, yo, he's going to make it out of the projects. So everybody became fans and supportive. So, that's where I raised you. Yes, that's right. Goddammit, you did. Hold on. Hold on. We got to go back to me because I feel like we're going to skip forward.

Yeah, we jump in. We're jumping around. I'm so happy. I'm happy. I'm sorry. And there's so many iconic records, but going back to these early hip hop records that you were involved in, like the show. Yeah, yo, that's crazy.

Can you give us like a breakdown of how that comes about? Yeah. So the show basically came about. Me and Dougie Flesman went to the same high school. Mm-hmm. And actually, we got kicked out of three high schools before ending up at the same high school. And, uh,

we don't know this version of, uh, we don't see you being like that, that guy getting kicked out of high school. Like, you know, you know, you know, you had a day?

It's okay. I got kicked out because, um, got into a fight. And, um, when I got into a fight, I threw one blow and everybody through all the blows.

D. D. D. Ferg, everybody. Okay. Oh, I see. D. D.

D. Sister Kim. Everybody was just. on this guy because he kind of snitched on me. You know how we throw the, how you say, the racer, the chalkboard at the teacher. So I threw the chalkboard, the eraser. And next scene, everybody was laughing. And the dude was like, he did it.

It's like, we'll see you after school. And then the dude, when he got hit about four. Well, five, everybody just went on him. And he, his whole front was gone because he went straight into the fire hydrant. Oh, damn. Next day I got to school, they took me straight to the office. And it's like, Mr. Raleigh, you're expelled. We are evaluating, you know, you're being here.

And it looks like you're not going to, you're getting kicked out. So I got kicked out and went to West Side. Okay. West Side High. West High. I ain't stayed there long. I didn't get in no fight, but I just didn't pass the programs. You know how you go to school one week?

And then you work one week. So it was co-op. Okay. You know, I did that. I quit job the first day. And Dougie Fresh went to the same school. He got kicked out of King, went to West Side. We both got kicked out of West Side, ended up at Park East.

And that's where we created the show. That's when we created the show. And then we performed it at the graduation. He graduated. I was in 11th grade. So when he left the school, I quit school. because I was making money. I had my first publishing deal with Zumba.

Let's Jive, right? Jamba, yeah. So I had my first publishing deal, and it's $100,000. So over time, I think it was $300,000. So I had $100,000 a year or something like that. I'm 18 years old. Right, yes. took that home to my mom

and the hundred grand or the 300 grand the hundred grand? The hundred grand, I told her, you know, we got She got to quit a job. I made it. She was like, nah, we ain't quitting. You got to make 10 more those.

Wow. Let's make some little shot. It's real. That's real. So I went and made 10 more. Right. Before 20. Right.

took it to her and she said okay we can move now now we can move so we moved to the Bronx first and and at that same time I was uh working with Andre Harelle um uptown uptown so I had two places I was living in Brooklyn at uptown right I was living and we moved to the Bronx at the same time I'm working with Keith Sweat mixing I want to

and all the make it last forever I'll get a call from Timmy Gatlin but we're going back to Dougie I'm a segue way back

so when we did this show at the graduation when he left I quit school and then he went on to making you know

making ways performing him and Slickwick performing and I had to kind of find my way and when I quit school I ended up working for my uncle but also performing at the same time

and they built a studio for me at the rooftop. Because I heard a story. I believe you told it you didn't even have a board when you started out. You would go and learn. Had everybody's studio. I were going everybody's studio and program just beats.

Put it on cassette. Take it with me and just play it for everybody. So until I was able to afford a drum machine, I was just doing that. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From IHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios. This is Worshack, murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall?

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Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck. I'm like, I suck.

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You've been going there. Go get your tickets. It's going down during chance, fourth annual Black Effect. Black, Black, Black, Black. Black Effect.com slash podcast festival. First drum machine I was on was the Oberheim DX. Right. And 8.8.

So I want to kind of tell all the trappers out there. I was doing trap before them. Right, right. Making records, um, with like, go see the doctor. Right. 808 and, you know,

we didn't have, it was nothing sinking, so we used that punch to make two drum machines sink together. That's wild. You young motherfuckers need to listen. You know how,

pause, you know how hard that shit is? Go ahead, I'm sorry. That was the first track for me besides, uh, doing Dougie Fresh. The show. Yeah.

The show. Didn't really know where it was going. But when the show came out, even though, you know, I didn't get any credit for it because, like I said, I had starters in my eyes. I just wanted to wreck it, play on the radio and, you know, be a part of something. And that's how I started evolving in Harlem. And then everybody came to me from Brooklyn,

Queens and everybody will come to my projects and I would make records for everybody. So I'm bouncing around a little bit like Harry said. I need to ask you this. I believe I see Jermaine DePri say this. He said that New Edition is the greatest group of all time. Then they questioned them. They said because each one of these members solo went platinum. Do you believe that statement?

I believe they are the greatest group of all times. Are we making some noise for that? Yeah. Okay. And why I say that is because them together is a nucleus. And now you see them all together. Nobody's standing up to that. And they're a group that got back together and stayed together

because they had seen the business. They stood on business. If other groups would stand on business, we would have a nucleus and we have group. back. Wow. Right now it's a recession of groups. Now we're leading towards, we're leaning on the legends.

Wow. You know, and they're the legends that is really setting the example, you know, for the other legends, you know, all these groups breaking up is like 112, now it's just 12. Damn, I didn't know that. You know? Once 12 broke up? Yeah. Really? Yeah.

Damn, what they're doing? Then you got groups that lost members. that lost members like high five. Yeah, yeah. I'm putting them back together. Yeah, yeah. Intro. Mm-hmm.

So there's a lot of groups out there that are legend groups, but there's no new groups. Okay. I thought Day 26 was going to be, you know, the next big thing. I agree. But, um... What happened in Soul For Real? So for Real was definitely a dope group developed by Heavy Dee and, and, and, you know, And ADF and the crew, I think what it is is, you know, it was the artist development.

Artist development is missing in the industry. Yeah, I agree with that. One million percent. When we had, I was artists developed. That says a lot for a year. It was about a year. My first, I went to media coach. My first media coach was Wendy Williams.

Wow. What? No, hell no. That's why she didn't talk about me. Oh, damn. Oh, you never have beef. That's my sister. Okay, like in a good way.

That's right, okay. Winnie Williams gave me my 40th birthday party. Wow. In California. Wow. And my second media coach was Nelson George. Wow. My third was the guy who gave me the name New Jack Swing.

And that's Barry Michael Cooper who wrote and co-wrote New Jack City. Mm. So I was around a lot of people who was just, you know, creating me. You know what I'm saying? Like this guy would like pressure me to give a name to my music. Like call my music something and I didn't have no idea. He's like, all right, this is your second session. Your third session, you better have a name.

I didn't have a name. He was like, all right, I'm going to give you a name. And he said, you should use new Jack swing because you're the new kid on the block swinging it. Wow. And that's how I got to name New Jackson. He said, run with it. You'll thank me later.

He's in my book, too. A whole genre was that, let me tell you something. You burnt the genre. And still today, you know, technically it's like, lot of people don't know they're doing the jack swing right yeah it's all fusion the fusion music we one million percent googled it and had it playing and we didn't realize how many records you did we were doubting it was like wait a minute he couldn't have did that too do you understand how many records do you understand how many lives you change like we're all

sitting here just amazed like all of us come on let's just give it real like we can do This is my crew. We sit here. I believe you all first guest that came a little late, and we was like, we do not care. Whenever he shows up, we're cool with it. But do you understand

how many lives you changed through this? And I'm not even getting to Bobby. I'm not even getting to Michael yet. I'm not getting, I'm just getting into you and your group. For me, I don't know my.

my past. I don't know my past. I try to forget about it so I can keep going. Right. It's almost like I'm almost famous. Right. And that's how I go every day. I just think about that. Okay. What was, it was, what it is now, is matters. Right. You know, if I can change and continue changing lives, that's what matters for me. And I am, you know, it's like, I can go in anywhere and I can live anywhere. Right. And something going to come out of it. Right.

And I don't know. I just feel like the most high is like, all right, you're going to go here. You're going to live here and you're going to do something here. And that's what I did in Virginia. I did it in Atlanta. I was in Atlanta before the producers were there. I heard you call Philly your second home. My second home.

But Vegas, California. Living in Atlanta was. one of the things that I say, you know, I want to do and I want to kind of morphine will infuse the music and bring everybody together. Tribe, New Jack Swing, just put it all together and I wound up working with a lot of people there. But the main thing was challenging to me was moving to Korea. Wait a second. You moved to Korea? Yeah, to do K-pop.

I mean, I knew there was a lot of people from out here that was influencing that whole movement. What, but gay pop? You were the first? I told you, I told me how I was, you know. No, my daughter, what you mean? I told me, we had the whole conversation. My daughter loves K-pop. I'm going to listen to Golden every day.

Mm. Those records are, yeah. They are amazing. And when I went out there, it was 2007. I went out there and got robbed. In Korea? Yeah, I'm going to tell you how. Okay, not robbed like, like, run to my head.

Okay, my bad. Like, they sticking things up. They got some true guys out there. Oh, yeah. They're ill business people. Yeah, they are really ill. Yeah. So when we went out there, right, I did a whole head.

I think every news channel, we did a press conference. Uh-huh. Reason why? Because I didn't know how big my music was out there. K-pop is New Jack Swing. Yeah. And then I get out there like not knowing anything about the business aspect, like the stock game. And I'm out there like, they give me half a million dollars do this and, you know, and I'm doing it.

But not, I finally had like a few meetings with the CEOs. CEOs like, come with us. So I go with SM entertainment. not knowing that when they put me on the books, they stock went up. I didn't ask for the stock. To get stock. Dumbest shit I did.

But I still made a lot of money out there. I still made ways. And now you hear Teddy Rowley is a part of, you know, K-pop, so responsible. But when I went out there, let me tell you how I got about it. I went out there did this whole press conference there's a company

ever heard of a company called Tencent? They're like Rockefeller Wow In Korea? Yes They're like the

South Korea to be Yeah South Yeah But they're like the biggest When it comes to They're like Viacom

Okay Wow Okay They own everything out there The karaoke machines, all of that stuff. Like, you go in the mall, you know how we get the picture taking things? Karaoke machines, all the malls. Yeah, it's big out there.

That makes more money than anything. Wow. So I'm out there, and they were like, we'd like to figure out doing a movie with you. And I was like, great, let's do it. You know, they said, what you're going to call it? I said, I want to call it Asia. A star in Asia. Yeah.

They took my shit and ran with it. Oh, they just took the idea. They trademarked it. They trade market. Like, wow. And then. Oh, I didn't know he was going there. You brought me out here, out there.

They gave him $2 million. And he shared nothing with me. I come back. I get $40,000, and I'm on my way. Why did Tencent come to try and sue me? Because they thought I was doing the movie. And they gave him the money. He did the contract.

So I had to prove myself to them saying, listen, I'm a man of honor. I would never take your money. They knew somebody was doing. Dude done got married on their money. He bought the wife. And this is the guy that brought you out there originally. Yes. So, and the same guy who was taking my publishing, because we did records for artists.

My God. We did records for this artist's name. What's his name? I think it's Rain. No, Rain is the guy who's like Usher out here. Okay. So we did these records. This company took our publishing and mechanical rights.

And I didn't know that ASCAP does not exist in critical. Korea. They have their own So you have to go with their company. Right. You have to go with their company is called Kumpka. Oh. And these guys was publishing our songs and

copywriting our songs. You went through Korean music boot camp. Check this out. We had already went there, came back, and me and my guys, we did these records for them. They paid us nice money and everything, right? Who's like, y'all, where's our residuals? Like,

what do we? it's like, yo, let's go back. I said, yo, we ain't going back to start

no trouble. So we're going to go back and say it's not fear and hopefully we'll meet somebody who can help us. And that's how we met at some entertainment.

And they helped us get every publishing, mechanical rights and all of our rights back. Wow. On a condition of me

staying for two weeks to do some music with their artists. Okay. Two weeks turn into two months. Two months turn into two years. Living in Korea. It's like, we enjoy your music.

We want, can you stay? We'll get you a house. We'll get you. They got us a building. Wow. We built the studios in the building. And we were there for two years. Let me find out you speak Korean now.

Oh, about to act. Not at all. I was translating. Oh, now they got to do the The sticks to bad money On the side Now you got the You talk in

And you can talk right about Yeah, sure do That's right And I was, you know I had my translator In my phone And that's how I got around And I didn't have to go

In too many places Because I stayed in the studio I live in the studio Okay So when I was out there I had no relationships I just I was in that studio

And they thought I was a Martian Because I would be in that studio from 10 to 10 in the morning they would be coming into work and he's like he's still here so they built me a bedroom in the actual office. God damn

me. That's hard. So it's safe to say that you open those doors for a lot of people over here too. Well they were doing what they're doing anyway. Right. But there's a lot of collaboration.

Open up the door for it to be introduced I can't say that because you had what's my guy, Jay Park is it Jay Park? He was doing it and he came over here.

But I went over there. Right, right. And when I went over there, it was just, I was working on every group. We had five, six number one records. And we placed over 40 songs. So I was,

pretty much living comfortable out there and my mind was kind of learning the culture just kind of getting together while the record business over here was getting it together because it was a recession. Right. But what years is this exactly?

When I went over there to live, it was 2010 to 2012. Yeah, that's when we had the whole real estate crash out here, right? That's when the system Yeah. And then... That's what's what's

Streaming. Streaming is introduced, kind of. The master and all of that. But then, when I came back was when Heavyty passed away. Oh, wow.

And that's what made me say and I'm coming back to America. God bless. I moved to Atlanta, then asked my sister, just find me a place. It's like, where you want to live? Gated community?

I said, no, I want to live next to you. Say, find me a place and I lived there for a little while and kind of outgrown it and moved into a house. you know, big house and stay down there for a while.

Atlanta. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel like was there a culture shock living out there? I don't assume that's your first time living outside of the States. Was it?

No. I lived in London. Oh, okay. I lived in London my early years when I was working with Kootmo Dee. And the ocean. We did all like go see the doctor.

How you like me now? those records. We did in London. We did at Battery Studios. I think we... Jive Records. We don't realize how much of those records were made. I didn't even heard it was at Battery Studios.

I didn't know Battery Studios was located in London. Yeah, they have one in London and one in New York. Yeah, but I didn't, I didn't hold it. So, damn, that's fucking me up. So that's where y'all, you and Kumodee recorded that? Every year. We did first album, second album, then... Yeah, that's legendary.

I see, because I can't fathom this. So I lived here like we would spend three to maybe six months. But that wasn't much of a culture shock being in London versus here. Yes, it was. Let me tell you why. Yeah, how you're driving on the wrong side. Yeah. We didn't drive.

I was like, yeah, I'm not getting into no accident. Right, right. I'm used to driving on our side. So when that happened, you know, we would have a driver that gave us a driver. Clive Calder. Clive Calder was a guy who was the first guy to see me make a beat. Wow.

I was making How You Like Me Now. And when he came in the room, he was behind his dark, tinted glass, watching me What machine were you using for? I was using the MP because they had one there.

Oh, great. Wasn't mine. That was. No, it wasn't the MP. I'm about to say it. It wasn't the MP. It was the Oberheim, the DX. Okay. And, um, no.

Was it MP? It was, um, I can't imagine. I had a sepola. The SP, no? Was it? SP-12. That's what it. Yeah, that had, yeah.

And, but it was theirs. I ain't had no drum machine. Couldn't afford one. So I was banging out. everybody's joint, you know. But when I was there, they had every drum machine. Right. I made that record, he was just watching.

I've seen his head just going. And then he walked in the room. He called me another name. But Kumaudi? No, Clive Calder. Oh, okay. The CEO. Because I keep looking at his glasses, and I'm looking at his glass.

He's trying to imitate Cummody with the glasses. I keep looking. Kumoli. Yeah. Koumoly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad. Okay. Koumoly.

What did he call you? He called me my partner. My partner's name is LaVeba. Right. And he said, LeVaba. I said, no. He said, what is you name? I said, I'm Teddy Riley.

Right. He said, Teddy Roli. Teddy Roli? That kind of sounds, who's wazzi? Huh? Sounds good. It could. Teddy Roly.

Teddy Roly. Yeah. Teddy Roley. But I said, yeah, Teddy Rowley. He said, so you make the beats. I said, yeah, I make the beats. He said, can you excuse me a second? I said, yeah, sure.

He went upstairs and called Barry Weiss. Oh, wow. Barry Weiss on job records as well? Okay, okay. And Carly, all of them. Okay. and said he got them all on the phone. He told me this.

He said, I got them on the phone. I asked her. I said, who's Teddy Roley? And Ann, I guess the answer is Teddy Rowley is one of the guys. You know, he works with them. He works with Kumodi. He said, did you guys know he makes the beats? And he's like, nobody, it was crickets.

And he said, I told them. If you guys, when he comes back to the States, if you don't have him in that office, making a deal, somebody's getting fired. And I had a meeting with him. I went down there by myself and then have no lawyer, no nothing. It's my first meeting with them. And that was how I got my first $100,000. Wow. To Zamba.

And that was my first publishing deal. God damn. That's wild. Make some noise. You want to do a quick time of slime, but you got to explain that. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get a designated drink. Okay, yeah, yeah, because you don't have to drink.

Okay. Okay, you can sit. I'm always drinking. Yeah, we'll get someone to drink for you. Yeah, I'd have my nephew here. Oh, shit. Damn, he threw you under the bus like that. I like that.

No, no, I like that. Not what I would do with my nephew. I'm just letting you know. He told me would. Okay, okay, okay. You drinking? I'm drinking. I'm drinking.

So you just pull him on a chair right there? Yeah. So we're going to ask him And you know Can you break down the game? This is our drinking game. Okay. And we're going to give you two choices.

If you pick one, we don't drink. Right. But if you say both or neither, like you really don't want to answer. Yeah, I plead the fifth. You plead the fifth. We were drinking. Everybody's drinks.

But really, we just want stories out of it. I know the guys. And we're not trying to dis know what. But I'm not going to lie to you. I feel like Teddy's, a great person. He's not going to want to say nothing wrong. Who did we just have that just answered every single one? I'll forget.

It was a fat five, not. No, it was Ray Daniels. Ray Daniels. He answered everyone. Who? Ray Daniels. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so yeah. That's my God. Ray Daniels. He don't care. Yeah, he answered everything. No, he asked everyone politically correct. Yeah, he asked everyone politically correct.

Okay. So, nephew, um, I'm not, you want, did you really ask for Tiger Bone? Yo, we got Tiger Ball. No, no, no, no, he's asking. You don't want Tiger Ball. But you don't... No, trust me.

We're not going to do that to hit, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, nephew. You don't want to do that to you. Yes, yeah, yes. You don't want to tag a ball. I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie.

We got to do that. Mama Juana if you want. Late, late... You want some Mama Hanna? Dominican Mama Hona. Oh, wow. Okay. Damn, where my...

Wow. Okay, so you're like... Wow. Okay, so you ready? Wait, wait, hold up. Let's get a couple of shot glasses for me. Yeah. Let's get the first. Then we're backing up.

This is great. By the way, I probably think... I have to take the first question. Because I probably think you're the only person on earth that could probably answer this question. This is one of the biggest on our show. Okay. Let's do it.

Not too heavy for you. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to go in there. It should be a long game. I'm going ahead and go in there. I'll take the first one. I'll take the first one. No, no. This is...

Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be too great. Okay. Okay. Michael Jackson or Prince? And we need stories, too. Yes. I believe you're the only person who could sufficiently answer this question.

Wow. Okay. Michael Jackson, of course. Okay. Which y'all want me to tell you. And I feel like you definitely got Prince stories to it. I do. Okay.

But Michael, I have more, um, stories and substance. For sure. And why I say Michael... I came ready for the Michael answer way. Now, you're going to OG Michael. You just gave him my answer. But why I say Michael is because

Michael wasn't just an artist. He was a visionary, humanitarian, role model. And now everybody's see now today, how much of a role model he was

to the kids. He's being vindicated in a lot of ways, right? Yes. And it took us this long to really find out all the things that he did to really save humanity. You know, humanity.

Yeah. And I don't think that Prince, you know, was there. A silver 40 caliber or handgun was recovered at the scene. From I-Heart podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Rorschach, murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall?

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Now, Pritz did a lot of things, but not what Michael would have done. Right. And the chances that he took just for all of us. So I have to say him in all ways, not just as an artist. I have to say him, he's the one in every way. And I'm sure you all would say the same thing. This is why we want to ask you, this is like still on the same question, but a little bit off.

We had Will I Am on here. Will I Am tell this story. Famous story. It's the famous story. We did not want, we did not know this was going to go viral. But he was like that Prince kept calling, excuse me,

a prince kept calling Michael Amini. No, no, no. Michael was calling Prince. Oh, Michael was going to say. I got a feeling you know about this. I don't know about the whole thing.

I was the first one. I was the first one with the VHS. Oh, that's right. And he was the first one, the big TV. I heard this before. what I am and everybody because Michael told me

the story and showed me and gave me the VHS. There's a VHS. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I'll tell you so much on your TV. Because I heard Michael gave you a TV. No, that's another thing. That's another thing. I'm lost. Okay, wait a minute. The James Brown concert.

Okay, okay, I was the first one with it. We spoke about this one. From Michael. Before anybody even thought about it. Right. Michael told me everything. He said, you know, he was, um,

can I tell you about the time that Prince tried to run us off the road, me and my family? I was like, yes, told me. I was saying that way. I was like, what happened? He's like, yeah, it's going to tell. Can I show it to you? I was like, sure.

What you're going to show me? He said, I'm going to show you. Look, look. He took the thing. He put it in. He pushed the VHS in. He said, you can have it. Oh, shit.

I have copies. I have copies. I was like, okay. So he showed me it. He sat back. He was like, he's like, I was show. Oh, yeah, boom.

Everybody. House. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. Come up here, Michael Jackson. So he came up. Michael came up and gave him a hugs and, you know, did his thing. Right.

And he just killed it. Did the moonwalk, everything. And James was just like, wow. Look at the boy. Oh, right? So. That's Michael. Co-signing it.

Then, yeah. Yeah. So. Michael said, you know, after he did this thing, everybody went nuts. Michael went and whispered in James Brown ear and said, Prince is an audience. He said, what? Prince is in the audience.

Oh, I got somebody else out in the audience. He's a new audience. He said, Prince, Prince. Prince. Prince is an audience. And Prince came up. And he was on the bodyguards, shoulder, you know, on his back, came up. And everybody's like, first of all, you don't, you could have walked up there.

But Chris, you know, he could have walked up there. It would have been better received. Because everybody now is like, who's this, motherfucker? But this is before Instagram, though. This is way before. This is way before Instagram. He got a VHS on this. But that's an Instagram moment.

So Prince come up, body guy, bring him on the stage, he goes his post, and Prince borrows the guitar from the guitar player. But he took his glove off. He took his glove off. He threw it in the crowd. He threw it back at him. Oh, shit. That was the first.

And then, uh, He bought the guitar. Now, the guitar don't have no distortion because it wasn't rock music. It was James Brown music. So, Prince was playing. And he hit the note.

You know, they played purple one. So he went, Pia! No, he wanted it to keep the note to keep going. Right, right.

And it didn't scream. He tried something else. Then he said, all right, let me just bust a move on you. He did the whole. Teddy definitely picking sides here, right? He did the whole thing. And then look at the other time. I think that's when he threw the glove.

I'm going to look back at it. Okay. But that's when he threw the gloves and they threw it back at him. Then next to, you know, everything he tried just didn't work. Right. So he said, oh, just forget about it. I'm done. I'm going to get that

Michael I'm going to get his ass Hey check this out He went to go get off the stage so he didn't know that the light post was a prop So he pulled the light post

The post came down with him And the bodyguard You know Kind of saved him, took him away And Michael's in the back Just laughing Okay.

You see what happened? He said, you know what happened afterwards? I said, what? He said, we was going out, my family was leaving backstage, and all we seen was the red corvette and it was Prince. He tried to run my whole family over. I said, you serious? He said, yeah? Yeah, he did.

And it was on after that. That's when the whole thing was like Prince against Michael. And you know, everybody went to Michael's side. That's classic. I got to make sure. I don't know. Did Will tell it that way? I felt like Will told us a story after that.

No, it was another show. It was a show that he was at. Yeah. And the reason why he called him, I mean, he was because of that. And I believe that he was. tricked Michael into tricking him to his show. He had already had Prince book, but he didn't want Michael

to know. And then when Michael showed up, he said, Oh, he's a meaning. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I made that voice. I'm so sorry, guys. He's right. And he used that word alive. He used that word. There's a few people he called meaning.

Like, it's a few people. But he said that about Prince a lot, you know. He's a meaning. He's, he's, I can't even say, man. Because, because us in hip hop, we look at Jay Z and Niles, or we look at like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, drinking Kendrick right now.

And we look like, oh, okay, that's us who did that. We don't realize that that shit been happening. Oh, those rivalry. Wait, that was the first industry beef. Was Prince and Michael. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

And then us. Yes. Y'all and New addition. New edition. Damn, I forgot. You thought you were going to Redmond.

I was going to Rex and Foxx. Oh, that was the second. That was the second. That was the second. That was super duper wild because I was in the middle of the whole thing. We was at, um, what was it?

What's the, um, club downtown? It was like an auditory Manhattan Center or something like that. Hammondstop War Rule? Or, or Webster Hall. Not. It was downtown. and all I can remember

Yeah No it was Manhattan something Manhattan Center Manhattan Center Yeah yeah Manhattan Center Yeah yeah Manhattan Center Yeah yeah Manhattan Center that's the car Yeah

Trapcoe performed Rex and effect perform And I perform with them And Um Now we In the audience And

A fight broke out And it was one of Posse Deep Which is my crew Yeah And crop Trap Corps Quest And I'm up here. And they're down with Zulu Nation.

Yeah, the Zulu Nation, yes. Next thing you know, I don't know, somebody got the best of them and I never knew Tropic of Quest as fighters because they are some of the best rappers in the world.

Right. But it's always like, my crew is just, wow. Right. And when that fight broke out, all I heard was Leor saying to me, Teddy Rowley. you're going to you want to pay for this

I was like wow I didn't know who Leo was wait but who does Leo have to do because Leo it was Dev Jam Oh Deb Jam

That's right Rush Man is me Rush management Yeah I had to put it together I'm sorry And he said You're gonna pay for this

I was like What did I do He said You're the leader That's how Leo sound You are the leader You are the leader You're going to get it

I was like, wow. So I'm like, how are we going to fix this? But wait, it doesn't stem from the line that Fife says in the song about New Jack Swing? No. At all. Because that's what everybody always thought. I didn't know what that was from, but I knew that somebody bumped into somebody. It was a bump.

I don't know the timeline. It was a bump or something. Okay. I got to ask my mother. I just talked to Akil, to this. Today, we got a huge building that we're about to move in on 25th Street, Cockclub area. Oh, how yeah.

So I'm going to ask him about that because I never knew how that ended up. All I knew, I got screamed at by Lear. And I was like, I didn't want to meet him that way. I didn't know who he was, but I knew he was with Rush and death jamming. And then Russell said. They all walked up. I was like, wow, this is Jeff Jam. I don't want to have no fight with

them, like, you know. So long behold, it led to us having a meeting at the Moss. Yep. On a hundred twenty-fifth Street. That's how big of a deal it was. And then the Moss all lost school in back up.

Who went to jail? Because everybody had guns. I wasn't ready. And everybody had guns. And I didn't go. Because I was like, if I go, it's going to be a problem. Now, this is still with your affiliation, with Alpo on them?

No, no, no, no. So it's not, it's not, we cannot say that, not them. Nah, they didn't get involved. You've been involved with a lot of cases. But imagine as regular fans seeing this play out. Not for nothing. We didn't think of wrecks and effects as necessarily on some thug shit. And Tribe Car Quest.

And we didn't, like, yeah. So you see it, we were like, yeah. We were very confused. Now I understood the Zudal Nation aspect of it. And then we started reading more into who was behind wrecks and effects and the crew y'all had. And then we saw how it was going to get a little nasty. Wow. I think we started out.

Damn. The bloods and the crips. Damn. Damn. I mean, while y'all wear red right now, saying that's a lot. Right. You know, just like, you know, I'm not saying.

You're not going to fuck, man. Yeah, bro. But when it all happened, shout-outs because, y'all know Uncle Mike Conception, it's like my uncle. No, I did. I heard you say that is your uncle on Mike Conception.

Yeah. Well, you might as well say, man, we've done a whole lot, you know. I kind of, and he always said I saved him from, you know, getting killed. Oh, wow. And he had a meeting in New York with the Crips and the Bloods.

And he told them, you know, if it wasn't for Teddy O'all, he saved my life. And I got calls from everybody. Like, yo, you saved Michael's Sepsie's life. I said, no, we just took a lot of business. And, you know, he basically helped me, you know, with a share of my business. He was a part of me working with Michael. Wow. him, the Black Godfather, and Quincy Jones.

Wait, he's the one that did all in the same, Gary? Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's what I, yeah. So, yeah, I always, you know, get flowers with a dude. Right. And he's one of the ones that, you know, really save me with Gene, you know, West Coast side, and then on the East Coast side, my uncle who owned a rooftop.

Mm-hmm. my uncle and affiliated with country and Nikki Barnes people the council

you're at the council yeah my older's brother was a part of the council so when I left Gene and broke up with Gene and 89

I know we're jumping all over the I know that's okay I got to get back to the game yeah yeah we like this game yeah so I'm in over here We got it. We're ready.

I was texting yesterday by somebody else. Okay, okay, okay. As in the same thing. Okay. Oh, we're ready. But when I left Gene 89, it was because of my mother, you know. My mother was like, if you don't leave him, we're going back to the projects tonight, and I wasn't having that. So when I left him, there was a contract all my life.

Oh, wow. And people were hearing about it, you know. Watch out. watch out for Gene or watch out. So, of course, I have my family and I have an incredible team. Right. And then I have the brothers, you know, from the Moss. In fact, he was actually 86th from the Moss, you know, because of me.

Okay. So when all that happened, my uncle took it upon himself, got with Nikki's people. and country was the one who bought jean because you know he kind of had a hold on gene so he went i don't know if you were familiar with uh it was a place that the the italians own in Harlem called the flash the flash bar okay no i wasn't familiar so only bar you know most of the homes in all the the projects and the buildings are brown and you know beige and right right This is the only red spot. And why they have it red?

Because some people don't leave it. They die in there. Almost like rails. I mean, I put that on rails. But they call a meeting with Gene at the flashbar. And when they called that meeting, my uncle called me. He said, you're going to go in here.

if you flinch or you don't feel good about this you're going to leave we're going to stay and he's not coming out of here and I was like okay I'm going to follow the plan

and I'll tell you about Alpo too so I followed the plan and my uncle started the conversation he said what is this you have a contract out of my nephew. And Gene kind of just said, I don't have a contract. You know, maybe somebody else that, you know, care about me

and, you know, felt like, you know, he did me wrong. But they don't know. But if it's something that I can control, I'm going to control it because he's like my son. He actually was my godfather. So when, that happened, I said to my uncle, we're good. He said, aye, you go ahead.

I said, let me speak to you. He came and he said, he said, what do you want? I said, don't do anything. To your uncle, you're saying that? No, to Gene. I said, get to my uncle. Don't do anything to Jean. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Don't do nothing. I believe him. Because sometimes it could be your crew. Yep. Just like Posse Deep. I didn't do nothing with Child Court Quest, but Posse Deep got into it,

but it looks like I'm the leader. Right. Because it is my crew. That's a lot of set. And they were signed to me, so it looks like me. So I believed them. Long behold, years later, Jean Griffin and I got back together.

Wow. As father and son. Godfather and son. Wow. And before he passed, I got to, you know, I got to, you know, take him out of the home because he had dementia. Yeah, okay. So I got to take him out of the home.

And, in fact, that's a chapter in my book. Part of the book. About forgiveness. I feel like if you don't have forgiveness in your heart, you'll never leave this earth complete. So I always believe in, you know, completion. So that's what happened with that. But let me tell you something else that Alpo said on the radio.

Yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm the one that Teddy stopped from killing Gene. I was like, wow. Yeah, I told them too. Wow. Because they wanted, they wanted to kill. So what's true? Huh?

Kind of true. It was true. Yeah, it was true. Wow. So I just don't believe in that, you know, unless it's by all means necessary. Right, right. I just don't believe that anybody should die. But that shows the power that you have by not flexing your power.

But you know what I mean? Yeah. That shows the smartness in who you are. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, like, I mean, coming from the streets and coming from the hood, you know, and experience the hustling life.

And I've seen people. I've been in shootouts. And that's nothing to play with. Especially when you see your friend take a bullet. Right. I see my friend take a bullet. Right. You know, I rode with the guy who actually battled Biggie,

the skinny kid Supreme. Yeah, I heard you. You said that before. He's the one who bought me to the game. Wow. Oh, shit. We was hustling for some big timers. Wow.

Until we had our own. Wow. And then they kicked me off the street. They protected you. Different blocks. I mean, they kicked me off Shack crew. For all the right reasons. Yeah, but it was because they knew, you know, he going to be something.

I got that in my notes, the Shack Crew. Let's get on with the game, man. I don't think that exists today, though, that kicking off for the right reason. I don't think that's happening anymore, unfortunately. You know, when I heard of your story, probably the last person I've heard was, in my hood, Kenny Anderson. Like, the drug dealers just protected him. The drug dealers knew that he was going to go,

and they took him right off the streets and was just like, yo, I don't think he could, he was, Kenny, I'm sorry if I'm blowing this up, but I don't even think he was allowed outside, not in a like a bad way, but in a way it was like, you see you have a better life ahead of you, so we're going to protect that. I felt like Alenivison was in that.

Al-Avison was in that. Yeah, but that was a... Because he used to play ball for my celebrity team. Yep. I believe they protected him the same way, yes. You know, and he had some real people around him. What news in Norfolk, everybody was behind him, you know. Even myself, you know, we...

It's like he was the guy coming out of Virginia. It's like everybody was being birth out of Virginia. Right. You know, and I was there to really experience, witness and be a part of, you know, architecting that. So let's play the game. You got it again. You ready?

Yeah. This is, by the way, this is the Dominican guy and the Colombian guy over there. The guy with the glasses who just. We just assume. We just assume they do cocaine. We don't know for like that. We don't know for like a fact, but we think we assume it. Okay.

Ferell or Timberland? Same question yesterday. I did a good job, didn't I? No, you practiced. Now, okay. I'm definitely going to give you all my stories on both, please. Stories on both, okay? Okay.

Nah, I'm going to plead the fifth. Okay, you got a drink. Yes, and we've been waiting for that. You too, buddy? Yeah, all right, my bad. I don't even got one. I'll take a one. I'll take it.

Yeah, yeah. I'm going to tell you why. Uh-huh. Because they both are dangerous. Yes. They are not to be played with still today. Still today. And I feel like with both of them, you can hear a record of theirs and you not know it's theirs.

Mm-hmm. Like me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You can hear a record of mine and not know it's mine. Mm-hmm. Right. And those people you do not play with.

It's like you can't just say, oh, you can, you know, stand tall with these guys. They're still doing it. They're still doing it. Yeah. I love it. I don't see why I would put them against each other because we all came up together. Yeah. You know.

It's so crazy. We went the same church. That's crazy. Now, that's crazy. The pastor was Pharrell's cousin. He passed away. He passed away. God bless.

Yeah, but in Virginia. So you, Farrell, and Timberland went to the same church. I wonder what this church service was like. Oh, no, I donated the equipment to the church. You what? The equipment, the sound system. Oh, wow. I donated to the church.

In fact, because I had my students. before everybody, the pastor, Reverend Thurgood, Bishop Thurgood, used to do all of his sermon tapes at my studio. Wow. Let's make some noise. So, oh, this is a good one. Okay, you want it? Yeah, yeah. No, you take this one.

Black Street or Guy? None of them. We got to drink No, no, no, no, I ain't pleading the fifth. That is, I mean, it's the drinking game. No, no, no. You know what the answer is? Me.

You still got to take a shot. Why? Because. You basically said both of them. Yeah. Yeah, that's, we drink it. It's me. And why I say me because developing both groups and being a part of both groups.

And then, you know, stepping out of it because you've done it for so long and realized that you know when you're a relationship and you realize why you left her when you got back with her oh shit

damn I knew why I left her alone it's the same situation what guy or Black Street both damn he's like a guy I'm going to take another shot.

That's on you. That's like yourself. Both, both, you know. I've seen you say that these guys don't like you, right? Oh, it's true. It's true. No, no, they ain't got love. They never had love.

Wait, what? I'm sorry. What? Say that again? Never had love. And I'll tell you why. Love is an action. Okay.

For me. Mm-hmm. you got to show me because I'm showing you I made you your first big money you have ever made your whole entire life if I don't get the love from that

and then give you I gift you publishing because you ain't like nothing and then you're going to go and bite my back out that's how I say

what I say you know that's not street ordinance. Street ordinances. And then you want to go solo. I had your publishing. I had everything. I'll give it back to you.

What would you do? If someone gave you a whole life back. I appreciate that. No appreciation. That's what I meant. There's no appreciation. And you're still being able to eat. I can stop it. but I would never do that.

But I'm kind of thinking about it. It's a thought. You know why? Because if you're going to continue stopping what I would like to do with my music. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.

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Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah Kahn, the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success,

his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career. It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick. Man, you have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically

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Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Levei, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Kara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that.

That's so funny. Each day with me, each night, each morning. Say you love me. You know I... So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to playing along on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Yo, finally, we're here at Drake Chances.

The fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. We're going to be there. You know we're going to tear it up. You know there's a lot of black people there, so you know it's going to be black as hell. 225th Atlanta, Georgia, please go get your tickets. I'm telling you, go get your tickets. I know how this happened.

I've been going there. It's been going there. You've been going there. Go get your tickets. It's going down during chance. Fourth annual Black Effect, Black, Black, Black, Black. Black Effect.com slash podcast festival. With your two or three percent on the publishing side, you know, two or three percent can stop you.

They can block things? They can block you. But we're about to change that. It's a new legislation that's about to drop. where if you ain't got a substantial amount of publishing,

you get your little percentage because the people with this substantial amount are the ones that control the copyright. There's nothing you can do about it. And that's being it's going in the legislations. And now that I own my publishing,

Right. I just got it. You just got it? Just got it. How many years? Just got it. You know. How did how many years?

23? Really? Because it's 35 years. Wow. And then they're doing the captions. We did the first, I think, 300-something songs. Wow. And now it's the next 300-something songs.

And then it's going to keep going. I have a thousand songs. And, yeah. Did you say 4,000 songs? I'm sorry. No, no, no. I said over a thousand songs. Over a thousand songs?

Yeah. Holy moly. I don't even know how that works. I think I was the producer, like Tupac. Tupac made a song every day. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. If not more.

I did like four or five. You know, I was just making records for any and everybody. As I said before, I just wanted my music out there. And I had to make a lot of it. So one going to go. Right. But not knowing that, you know, a lot of them would go. So, yeah.

Let's keep it going. Come on, let's keep it. Come on, come, come on. You just, I'm just so happy. I'm sorry. Paid in full or juice? Movies. I guess I'm on them shit.

Paid in full. Mm. I get it. And why? Because somehow. I'm like, I'm in there. You're close. Yeah, you're too close to that.

I'm like right around the corner from there. I lived right around the corner from everything. And they used to come up to the rooftop, you know. And we all used to just, we're the ones like, we would chart butts. We would do a bunch of stuff together. It's just they wouldn't let me, they wouldn't let me hustle. We would do anything together, but, you know, have fun. I never had to pay for anything with them.

They did write by you. Absolutely. Next one. Okay. Analog or digital? Of course you know. Analog all day. I'm analog.

I knew I knew you were going to say analog. And why? I'll tell you on the technical side, why? Analog is how you would say it's the warmth. Yes. It's the warmth. The warmth, yes. of music.

Now, we can go even deeper. I would love for it to go back to analog and 432 frequency, wave. Do you all know about that? No, you go. I don't know. Yeah, what's 142? 432 is the way we should be listening to music.

So when you hear 432 record, it will make you relax. This music, doesn't make us relax. Sometimes we catch headaches and we're not supposed to. 432, you listen to a Beatles song. It's 432. Or go back to a Michael Jackson 5 song, like ABC.

Those are 432 instead of 4-4-1. 4-4-1 is the frequency that makes us, you know, laugh, cry, fight. catch a headache, depressed. Right. It's all the things it does to you we shouldn't be having. Well, 4-3-2, when you listen to it. It's like we're in tune for that. Huh?

We're in tune for 4-3-2. Makes sense. I always like to mention DJ Quick had said something about analog. We speak 4-3-2. Absorbing the energy also in that studio in the room. It absorbs that energy. That's what I like analog. I like analog because.

if we had to work with each other, I would have to come to your studio. You would have to come to my studio. We'd have to bring an eight-inch rail. What was it called? The real, the real. Eight that? Or eight that or a real.

And when you listen to it, so I always say that. And I kind of like sound like the older dude in the room when I say that shit. Because I'm like, yo, the music sounds better because we had, we, like, if we didn't like each other, you would hear that shit on the record. Like, like, we were there, like, all that music when people say, that it's the great era, or golden era, guess what?

That music was made with you and the producer in the room together. As opposed to right now, it's like if I have to present something to a soundtrack, you could just send it. You could send it to me.

I don't, me and you have never even met. And I'm laying a verse. You don't really co-sign my verse. You got a check. I got a check. And we both just like, fuck it. It's like, whatever. That wasn't like that.

And I'm sorry to sound like the older guy in the room. Sorry. I know how I saw. Well, I'm older guy. You know, back. Because when we say back in my day, and I don't mean it like that. I don't mean it like that. But what I'm trying to tell you is, like, when.

But now we can look at the people that said that and understand why they said back in my day. I understand that. That's what happens with age. You start to understand things. But these classic records that, like, listen, like, again, we're looking at your discography. And it just keeps going. and I cannot see these records being produced without you in the room with these people,

like making it. You have to be. You had to be like, like, like, and then I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you said something earlier, I'm going to get back to QuickTime on Slime, but you said something earlier. He was like, um, these guys don't have a sound, but they have a sound. Like so like, you was talking about Timbaland and Farrell, right? And I relate that to like DJ Premier, like things like that.

Like DJ Premier, you could, you can, you can, you can, say that's a sound for DJ Premier, but then DJ Premier will do something for Christine Aguilera, and you'd be like, I don't see, I don't hear him doing that. Yeah, so it's like,

so that's the same thing with you. Like, like, you can work with anybody. Like, is that something that you did deliberately? I was sort of like how Mike Tyson

say I will fight anybody. I would work with anybody. I work with Tom Jones. It's not unusual to be love. Right. I worked with him. I work with Billy Ocean. I work with Bobby Brown.

Bobby Brown, but that's not. Dude, the K-Bah. That's my alley. That's up my alley. You can expect me. Yeah. But not a Billy Ocean, not a Jane child. Right, right.

Don't want to fall in love. Turn a pop record, a pop rock record. You know what I'm saying? Like it was nothing. And she's a white girl. She's Caucasian. I'm like, there's nothing about that record. The remix.

So I was getting my money up because I was broke. That's when I left Gene. He took everything. Like, you know, like our Kelly's manager, you know. When he took everything, I was stuck with $20 in a platinum American express that was given to me by one of the group members I signed and I was joking that card and she gave me the card and she said you're going to need it I didn't know what I was going to need it for

and shit I was stuck at the airport with $20 and I called her I said I think I'm going to have to come stay with you until I can get back to get my family she's like you remember that car that gave you that she was joking. It was a platinum American Express. Under her name? No, it's in my name. I was a, how you say it? The main, I was under her.

I was saying it was her account, but her account. She had your own card. She gave me my own card. She said, you are going to need it. I said, why? What am I needed for it? She said, just put it, keep it.

Do not get rid of it. And I never got rid of that card. And I was at the airport trying to get a ticket with the GRP. production card that me and Gene I had two GR cards GR cards and none of them worked. She was like, no, you got another

form of payment? Just like oh so he knew what I was doing. I was up in New York releasing everybody from their contract. Guy today Tammy Lucas Big Bub, his solo

contract, everybody. He found out and that's probably the reason why he was trying to put a contract out of my life. So with that being said, that card is the only thing I had. And when the card went through, I gave it to the clerk.

She took the car and she said, your first class seat, I said, how much is on this card? She said, what you want on there? I said, what could you do? she said, you want 100,000? I said, yeah, put a hundred thousand money out. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

You're going to keep the party going. I said, you're a lifesaver. I see when I come back to New York. And I used that card to get my family back and actually move into a place because I was like, yo, it's too packed for me, my daughter, and my fiancé at the time

to move back into the projects. So we were there for a week, and that's when I moved to Biggie's old place with the elevator that goes straight up to the bedroom. I heard about the elevator. So back to, who was he at? Because I'm a little caught up right now. We were everywhere great. I smell the juices and the berries. Get the berries going.

We still on quick time. We still on quick time. Okay. Okay. Ready? Rich Porter or A. Z? Rich Porter. Okay.

It should have been Rich Porter or Alport? Yeah, that's what you should have said. And then I would still gave you the same result. But A.Z and Rich Porter was like the guys. AZ was really the ones like, yo, we can't let him hustle with us.

So yeah. You said, okay. All right, Kumole, relax, buddy. Get popcorn. Come on, bad. Heavy D or Big Daddy Kane? Ah, come on, y'all. We got the shots.

We got the shots. You don't got to take a shot. We've taken a shot. We've taken to. You got shots, too. You got a shot to. You don't have to. You're going to join.

Salu. Salu. And I'm sorry, I'm breaking the little thing. Do you realize how dope Heavy D was, though? Like, what? My best friend, but Big Daddy Kane is like, that's my guy, man. No, no, both, both.

I'm saying both, but... You got to say both? Again, we're going to drive you both. Yeah, no, we see you're pulling up in a sprint. We see you up. We know you're driving you home. Here, right here.

Come back tomorrow and get... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to stay safe. And obviously, you know, Kane, I'm not comparing them to both. But what I was saying, And it was like, I just like, again, I'm going back into hip hop and I'm going on and listening back to the, and when I'm listening to Heavy D, I'm like, holy shit.

You know how ahead of the time he was? Like, holy shit. In a lot of ways. Let me say this. Heavy had an old soul. Like, I would do records for Heavy. I would play records for Heavy. And it would be for like Rex and Effect.

Wow. And I don't know. He's so smooth, man. The dude would persuade me. like, do you know that this song belongs to me? It was isn't good to you with Tammy. He says, you got to give me this. This was a Rex and effect record.

You got to give me this tag. Come on, man. Come on, you got to do this, man. I was like, heavy, man. You're a bully. He's like, no, I'm not. I was like, you know what? I'm going to promote you being a bully and allow people.

Because you really, he bullied me out of, is it good to you? Is it good to you? He bullied me out of, we got our own thing. That was Rex and the Fecke record. And now that we found love. Now that we found love, what are we going to do? And every time he came to my house or he came down to Virginia, he came to Virginia. He was serious.

He was trying to steal no diggity. I played no diggity because I always played every, my best. friend. Let me tell you something. If you would have a reference track with Heavy D.R. He was trying to rap on it. He was like, yo, can I get on it at least? I was like, no. This one here you cannot have.

I'm keeping this one for myself. And he's like, I had to tell Jimmy about this record. He was the one that convinced Jimmy that this is the single. Because Jimmy wanted Money Can't Buy Me Love as a single. And I said, Jimmy, you sure?

You can't tell Jimmy, yo, this is the single, Jimmy, unless you should ignite or somebody. I was just, you know. Jimmy got love for what you said. I know. I shot him to humble. Jimmy played for somebody. So heavy, you know, usually stop by Jimmy's.

And what put the icing on the cape? And we're going back to Analog. What put the icing on the cake was Dr. Tray heard it. He said, listen to this record. Teddy Raleigh's new record. And Trey heard the joint. And Trey was like, yo, tell Ted when you do this record, I want to be in the video. Dr. Trey said, when you do the record, he wants to be in the video.

That's an impression of Jimmy? I said, yeah, this is Jimmy. That's a great impression because I know, I know Jimmy. It's a tight. Everybody else ain't catching on. So check it. I said, you tell Drey, tell Drey if you give me 16, we could do this together. Oh, shit.

Right. And that's how I got 16. Wow. And we did it analog. Did you know how they got it to me within 24 hours? ISDN. Oh, oh, the mail service. Yeah.

Yes, okay, okay. So, but you know how it worked? No. The actual headquarters was in, no, it was in, um, was it, Oregon or somewhere. Any. Oh, yeah. It's like one place. You shoot it to them. Yeah. And you're playing it over the phone. You have to have the machine, the rack. Yeah. You had to have that. And that goes over the phone, plug the phone through it, and it plays it straight to them.

And then it goes to California or wherever you wanted to go. But they were the headquarters to get music sent at high quality. better than digital. Wow. And this is back there. This is 994. Wow. 1994. When we worked on that song

and that's what convinced Jimmy and it became Jimmy's favorite song. God damn it. And me and Dave, we were together about a week and a half ago. You and Jimmy? No, Jimmy and Dre.

Where's my phone? Yeah, we want to see that? So yeah, we were together doing vinyl night. You got to do vinyl night with them. Okay, what is vinyl night? They got the vinyl and they're playing your records, all your records. So they had Paul McCartney playing all the Beatles records and just the high density. You know, it's like, wow.

So we sitting there and we're playing me and Dre just joking about how. And the story is consistent. Like Jimmy talking about it. And he was like, yeah. That's like almost a documentary. You know what? I really feel like if what was the documentary that they did?

Was the Chronicles? With Jimmy Ivy and Dre. What did they call that? The chosen, it was... No, it was... It was dope. It was dope. But I thought that Jimmy,

because y'all know Jimmy was a producer, right? Right, of course. Okay, one of the top producers. Well, and that's how... What is it called? The defiant one. The defiant ones.

I thought it should be more defined ones. Now, I'm going to show you all something, but let me show y'all us first, like, right on that. It was amazing. I don't post out pictures, like, that's the stuff we keep sacred.

you know because you won't find like this is that was a billion dollars in the room right billions of dollars but i don't know if you know you're very famous huh you're very famous you're very famous you have to i'm almost almost yeah no like okay i like that i like that i like i like that i like that i like that i'm gonna take a shot for that i'm sorry look at the people that was in the room there you go yeah god damn it feel poor already. Is that Larry Jackson? L.A. Reed,

Dr. J., you, and Jimmy Alvin. That is... Oh, let me see. Let me see. Oh, that's passing around the room. That is... How do you say money without... I'm never close to say money. You want me to pass your phone around the word?

No, man. He might put his number in there. They may not believe it. They may not believe it. Yeah, no. You know, some people don't believe. No. I was with.

Right. You got to unlock. Oh, yeah. I don't think you should pass it around. Yeah, it's okay. You can do it after. It's okay. I'll show you all later.

You know, that is something. I trust everybody here, but I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah. So, go ahead. When that happened, I felt like Jimmy could actually do a series of defined ones. Easily, yes. Oh, that's a great idea. And I was going to break the idea to him while we was at the house,

but we was just having some. much fun doing the vinyl. I'm sitting this to him tonight. It was so, it was so. It was so special. I want to be a little bit producer. I was so tired of my music. I was like, yo, play a L.A. Reed song, man.

Right. Play a Dre song. Right. And it was like, no, tonight is your night, bro. I was like, wow. That's dope. And that was so special. I felt, you know, I felt amazed, you know,

because I ain't talked to Jimmy in a while. because I kind of, it's moving around. After losing my mom, I kind of went dormant, you know, you got to go away. I moved from Vegas. So I said, man, I felt like Vegas, you know, took my mother out of here. But, you know, I just moved anyway. And I said, you know, let me go to Texas for a minute. Now I'm here.

I'm like, that's buy a healthy, babe. You know, that type of stuff I like to do. When I went to Virginia, I just set up shop and just move. But I'm going to say this. When you got good friends, you got good people like that, you got to really like, those are people that you keep. Those are corners. Y'all know what corners is? It's not circles.

It's corners. And I had to get rid of the circles. That's why I'm not solo. I got a new team, but I just had to get away from the blessing blockers. you know, sometimes what's for you is for you. I said, Black, because I never heard.

That's crazy. What's for you? It's for you. I got, I got, what's that you called? I've always, I've been so patience to tell my truth,

which is why I have the book now, and you can see everything in there in all the people that I work with. One person that's not in there that, you know, I felt, I wish he was. And, but because of the circumstances

and I'm dealing with the corporate world, all, they told me to pull it. And that's my brother, Diddy. You know, I mean, I've never, you know, witness or anything. I never experienced nothing. I know nothing. All I know is he was my intern. And I only been to one event, which was when he got a star in Hollywood, because it said

Harlem to Hollywood. So I hope it's okay to talk about this. No, of course, of course. We're the same way. We've never not witnessed that. Yeah, when they told me it's like, yo, this is very, you know, it's disappointing, you know. But it is what it is, you know.

But I have to say, man, it's a lot that we are not subject to. And we go through stuff. You know, I wish I could have caught it. Because I catch a lot. I catch a lot of my brothers and my little brothers. But, you know, sometimes the little brother feel like he's the big brother. You got to let him become the big brother. But I was in there, I was out of there, in there out of there.

So let's do the gig. Okay, that's been a guy. I'm man. I'm in. I ain't saw I tracked it all off. Keep sweat or Christopher Williams? This is not mine. These guys come on with it. Who did it? The Dominican and the Columbia.

Oh, okay. I can see why. I can see why. I can see why. I understand. Okay. Well, I have to say Keith Sweat. Key Sweat.

And why I say Key Sweat? Because not because I work with him. Right. And not because of we're brothers. Right. I say Keith's wet. Even if we weren't brothers, Keith Sweat is a signature.

Right. Keith Threat created a signature. See, it's a difference. Like, when I created New Jack Swing, it's my signature. Christopher Williams, you know, he didn't have a signature. He had a voice like Teddy Pendergast or Colonel Abrams, you know. That's not creating a signature. Right.

Nothing against him because he's a dope singer. And he's my boy. It's my brother. But Keith, you know his records. You know that's him. Yeah. And that's something you can't take away from a person. Just like you know it's Bobby.

Right. I create signatures. When I made them saying they walked out of the studio, both of them, walked out of the studio on me. Bobby and I got into a little small argument. I don't argue. You don't look like you argue. I don't argue.

Okay. I just say, yo, we don't have to do this shit. And keep it moving. And then he walked out. He's like, okay, effort. He walked out. Who, Bobby? Yeah.

I can picture the whole scene. I did my prerogative on the 12 track, a Kai. Yo, it was like a mixtape. And they couldn't create or reproduce the sound. So I had to take my 12 track to the studio. to keep the sound. Right. And I'm a stick, you know, I'm like,

that's like, I have to have the same sound. My ear was so keen to having the same sound. When I tried to re-record it at Access Studios, and it's like, this don't sound like the house. I need the grid. I needed to be crimey. So I bought that dog on, put that thing in the car. We took it down.

We just dropped it. You know about writing code and generating new code? Yeah, absolutely, but I want to ask, none thing. No, but we had to create new code in order for me to sync my drum machine or anything up to the actual Akai to the 24 track. Oh, my God, this is very complicated. When we did that, everything turned out perfect. Now it was time to sing. Okay.

We got in the studio, started, I had to track up and everything. Next thing you know, let's go. Yeah Get busy Boom boom Get busy Everything is good, right? Now it's time to sing.

They say I'm crazy I really don't care. and not like the record. I said, stop. Stop. Oh, because he pre-recorded it on the other track, you're saying? No, we were practicing.

Okay. We never put the vocal down. Oh, okay. At the house. The music was down. Okay. When we got to the studio, we had practice.

It's like, okay, you're good. All right, let's take it to the studio. So we took it to the studio, and he's singing it different. Right. next thing you know I said stop Bo

you ain't singing like how you was doing it at the house man I don't forget nothing he said who you're talking to I told you I'm I'm just like yo I mean I'm just saying he's a big dude yeah he's like taller than me

I'm like I'm just saying man you ain't singing and like how you did it at the house Now, come on, man. He said, you know who I am? I make girl next door, I make hits. So you start flexing. I was like, you know, we don't have to do this. Right.

He said, fuck it then. He left the studio. And then the A&R called me, apologize. He was just like, yo, please don't leave the studio. I'm about to go home. I don't have to do this. He's like, man, just give me a chance. Let me call him.

And they called him and said, yo, if you don't get your ass back in the studio, we're going to can your album. You got records from babyface in L.A., some icons. And then this is an icon. He's just not a kid. Right, right. He's an icon.

Get back in the studio. He came back to the studio. how we try to get the last word. It's like, all right, we're going to do this shit. And if it don't go my way, if it don't go the way you say, we're going to do it my way. I said, okay. He said, all right, let's go.

I said, let's go. He said, all right, I let him get the last word. He got in that room and sung it all the way up to the second verse, and he stopped. It came in the room. He said, I want to hear. Okay So he had the demo face

Like he didn't want to give no type of emotions or nothing He just At that moment he didn't like me So I was like Let's play the record They say I'm They say I'm crazy I really don't care

Got all the way the second verse he's like, I'm going back in the room. He went back in the room. Next thing you know, my name was said, I said, yeah, I know the nigga like it now. I know he like it. Because my name wouldn't be in there twice.

We became best friends. We became brothers. You know, and that's how being a producer is like being a shrink. You know what I'm saying? Being a doctor, you know, you got to convince the person that the medicine is good. Trust the process. And I know we all go through it.

For all, everybody, we go through it. That is deep. I've never seen. I've never heard it for a joke. But our job is to make you better than you thought, you know, like you think you got all. And then you didn't realize that. I didn't know I can go even more. And that's what I did with Bobby.

That's an incredible story. Yo, that's my prerogative could have possibly not been made had he not came back to that studio. But I feel that the way he probably approached the record after that added to the record because you guys... Man, he sung that bridge.

I had... One take on the bridge, he ain't had to punch nothing or nothing. He was so happy. When you feel good about a record, you're going to make that record fire. You're going to do the best, and that's what he did. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.

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And what he does on the stage, he put it in the studio. And that's the thing that I love about him. I'll tell you another one take, guys, Johnny Kemp, just got paid. Just got a big. Friday night. That dude killed that record. Now, Keith's wet He didn't walk out of the studio

I mean, he was just hard. It was hard for him Because I was young It was hard for him to take the advice for me Like, you know And I had to say, this is your sound This is your signature And then he finally got it After listening to his, you know

Himself sing it all the way down He got it You know, and most singers are like that You know, when you kind of guide them, that's our job was to give you guidance. And most people don't want guidance. You're right. Especially an artist, an artist. Yeah.

Because we have to tap into eagle. That's the thing about artistry. You have to tap into your ego. And the ego is the one that will allow you to listen. You ever notice some of them artists after their first album, they become the producer? It's like, yeah, I'm producing everything. Right. What happened to Timmerland?

All right. What happened to Farrell? What got you there? That's who got you there. But most times, you know, you get these producers like that. I mean, these artists like that, and they want to now be the leader and think they got it. Find out that I should have listened.

Absolutely. What's the next? The next one, yeah. Mace or Cam? That's hard on shit. Cameron or Mace? I got a stand. out of this one.

You drink it? No, no, let me get, let me get, let me get it. I plead a fifth. So we drink it, yeah. Yeah. Salute. Next one. I know people thinking, yo, he ain't drinking nothing.

I don't even know. What are you drinking over there? Muscatta. Yeah, yeah. I like wine because it mellows me, you know. And I don't really do it sometimes I waited. Last time I drunk wine was maybe

well three, four months ago. I'm not a drinker. So I decided, you know, I didn't want to be a party poop. This would have been great with or without you drinking. Okay. Just so you know. Like that wasn't mandatory.

But it me. You know, sometimes I'll get in the studio and just, you know, Wifi would be like, yo, you want to try some wine and I'll be like, let's get it. It's like party time. Yeah.

LaFace or Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis You better get to drink I'm getting to drinking Okay, Sal loo I know I know what y'all get into though I know what y'all getting to The same way with a little bit of sauce of water The same way you did

I like that I got the vodka with a little bit of sauce of water You know what I mean? You know what I mean It's a little bit of balance Let's go Balance it out buddy balancing out a little bit. Go ahead.

You got more on you? Good. Yeah, he's good. He's holding it down. I ain't gonna lie. You're holding it down. I've seen you tips before. I've seen you.

And your earrings, your earrings is shining and it's hitting all over the place. You good. You good. What's your name? Yeah, you want to get there again? High five or shy? Oh, come on. But I got a, I'm not drinking no more.

Okay. That's crazy. I'll have to say Thank you. Even though these are my guys. But I'm going to...

It's always got to be you, sonny. Look, you see him? I'm going to pick one. And I'll tell you why I pick that one. I pick shy. I picked shy because I just had a performance with them.

I'm some singing fools. Oh, yeah. Without no music. Yeah. They're singing fools. And I realized that, you know, this sound to me was like up the alley of, you know, uh, boys to men take six, you know, their harmony was lush, you know, like I love harmonies. Like old school duwop.

Old school duop, barbershop, you know, vocals. So when I first heard the If I ever fall in love again Wild record. That record is That's a problem. Yeah. But high five is a problem.

Yeah. With Tony. When he passed, it changed, but we put them back together. And they are there. when you hear the new high five record you're gonna be amazed but I have to give it to Shai right now

because they're together they rocked okay all right this is this yeah yeah yeah I don't know what you're gonna say I bet you got this one please

I didn't see your phone I know exactly what you're going to say New Edition or Jackson 5 see so So what happened was Your criteria Yeah remember

This is whatever I have to say to Jackson 5 Okay Because there wouldn't be no new addition Without the Jackson 5 And The Jackson 5 When I work with the Jackson's

And Michael I work with them all And we did 2300 Jackson Street and they were I'm sorry you give me a good supposed I'm sorry this doesn't happen to me

they're harmonies their harmonies are amazing but just to be it's like going to like my first year of college working with the Jackson's and having

everybody there Janet Reby Latoya be in the the presence of greatness. What's the pop's name? What's the pop's name? I got it.

What's the name? Joe, Joe, Joe, wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. Joe wasn't there. We didn't allow Joe to beat him. Because Michael was like, he's a meaning. He's a meaning. Oh, my God. That's one of, that's another, Michael, Michael, Michael. He's a mean.

Don't take his cause. Exactly. Like, Michael would say that. I was like, why? Oh, shit. Father. Yeah, he's a meaning. He's the meaning. Shit, my bad.

I know what he wants. I know exactly what he wants. Michael used to crack me out. He'd be like, no, don't take that call. Only person can call me is Mother Catherine. Holy shit. Yeah.

His mother. Although, I got to ask you, I just found this record today. I want to see if you know this record. Yeah, no. I've never seen this. I don't know if this is someone produced this. Have you ever seen this? seen this record? Yes. I've seen this record before. One day and this is what are we

looking at? It's a Michael Jackson. I've never seen that ever in my life. That really didn't go anywhere. That was AI back in the days? No. Oh, relax. The AI back in the day. It looked like but but yeah, I've never seen and I've seen that record before and I've heard that record, but it really never did anything. I'm reading the track. I'm like I've never heard none of these records. But yeah. What the fuck what's going on here?

Yeah. Where is a sneaky mic? It was a album that it's an album, right? He did on the dome. That was before off the wall.

Wow. Right before it? I think right before it. Look at the year. You got the credits. It was 80. Yeah. 80.

Wow. It was before it. That's when they were testing his solo career. Oh, so right out of the Jackson Five? Right after the Jackson. Yeah, Jackson Five. Wow. This is a secret micro album that no one knows about it.

I mean. No, it was, you know how, how you say, they didn't want people to know that record. Oh, wow. You know, because when off the wall came, you know, it's like when you're trying to put out something, really taking artists to the next level. It's almost like when L.A.V. put out Usher's album,

he put out the wrong single, and he pulled it back and then put out confessions. The same thing would you remind me. No, yeah, Usher, Usher. I think Norie would understand more like the first Mobb Deep album versus the... I understand him like... I understand him like... Oh, you did. No, you did it.

That was really fucked. I'm going to take a piss because you know you did it. I just said it perfect He's trying to tell me I'm trash That was hilarious But um Okay I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it going like

This um I Ooh this is a good one 90s or 2000s R&B 90s 90s 90s

It was more babies made Yeah it was more Baby making And music was substance You got music with substance Like 2000 started getting into the plastic And the music that wasn't Didn't have the staying power

You can hear a record in 2000 today You'd be like damn I forgot about that record Which you hear a record in the 90s It's like, yo put that joint back on That's the vinyl And it's kind of timeless Because if a person didn't hear that record They'll listen to that thing

and that it's it's yeah most music in 2000 was black and white right the music back in the 90s was colorful yeah i agree you know it had different colors to it like i agree with that like when when guy came out it made it cool for dudes to wear gators again and put on colors and you know you wasn't being scrutinized when boys the men did those records you know you felt great, you know, going to the club with your girl. These are records that stood the test of time.

Right. And still bumping right now. Yep. Even 112. Peaches and cream, you know, you remember the name of a song in the 90s. You don't remember. What song you remember in 2000?

Yeah. Besides your music. Yeah, you don't move on the spot. Not me. Not me. Anybody? Yeah. Huh?

Thongsom? Was that? That was 99. Yeah. That was 99. That was 99. Yeah. He just made it.

So, okay. This is a good one. SWV or Escape? Nothing against Escape. And not because I work with SWV. But I'm a plea to fifth. Okay, we drink it? I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, we're going to drink. I'm drinking my wine over here. I had wine over here and wine over here. It's like, wine over. Now to me stop. This is, this is, this, I, can I take this the next one? Go ahead.

Okay. Lauren Hill or Erica Baddou? Lauren Hill. Ladies and gentlemen, Lauren Hill. That was very easy. Huh? That was very easy for you. Yeah, it was because Lauren Hill had a, they both had signatures. They both have signatures.

I just think that Lauren Hill had the big records, you know. She had the records that made you, it's like, wow. And then she had the bounce records. You know. Yeah, she had those records. Even though Erica Badu had the pump her. records. But for me, I felt like she didn't have like, like you could take Lauren Hill to the clubs,

to the picnic and to the wedding. Thank you. Wait, can you say that again? I'm sorry. You can take Lauren Hill to the club, to the picnic, and the wedding. Right. And the wedding, you said? Am I right.

Yeah. The wedding? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're right. Yeah.

But you could take Erica Badoo. there too and you can check her to the bedroom yeah and the incense and the incense that's fantastic like oh that's not you're plenty

yeah no she got her incense that's right yeah it's a lot we love we love the fans of the incense

you can we had her on yeah we love and she blew it down she made the show all of us she made you we smell like

good like Batuism like Batuism yes And we've been Badu out ever since. But as we've been, so, yeah, so big up to Erica Badu and Lauren Hill. Yeah, we need Lauren Hill over here.

We definitely want to give Lauren Hill her flowers as well. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so big them both up then. I think that was a great comparison. You want to go to the next one? No, this was you. This is actually. Okay, all right.

Hold on. Let me look at it. Okay. All right. You want me in trouble. That's you. This is you. This relates to you, too.

Okay. That's crazy. That's just very. It's very true. Yeah. I'm like one of the first people to work with both of them. Tammy, Lucas, or Calice?

Wow. It would be Calice. Wow. You know, because she had... Calice is an artist. Tammy was the writer. A writer, yeah. That's what I...

And she had the background vocals of life. Right. Calice was just the artist and, you know, she wrote some of her stuff. I don't know how much of it. But I felt like it would be Khalis because she was out there more. Tammy was the hidden jewel and still is. Like, I don't notice.

She doesn't notice to this day, we wanted to get her for my video. And we couldn't find her. Tammy. Yeah. We couldn't find her. I mean, I was N-O-R-E. I was probably just thinking about I was just coming up

as my first hit it's my first global hit so I was probably like could we get her and it was just like we can't reach her and then I just like probably get her

but it was always like something and what I heard is that she wanted to be a background she didn't want to be in the upfront well she did have that's how Tammy Lucas and I met

I actually reached out to her because I loved her record oh wow her first single okay was like It was a club banger. Oh, wow.

And then we just started making records. And you know, Tammy wrote Goodbye Love. Wow. No, I did not know that. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. She wrote Goodbye Love.

She wrote Joy for Michael Jackson. And then we wind of giving it to Black Street. She also wrote Tonight's Night for Black Street. Tammy's, her pen is sick. Yeah. Now, if you talk about it, about on the writing level, I would pick Tammy.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. This is so dope. Kumo D or Father MC? We prepare. You know it's cool M.D. I'm picking them.

No, no, no. We won't. I'm not trying to drink. But I'm, it's Komo D because, you know, he's one of the, one of the most educated rappers. You know, this is one. Kumo D got his master. Wow.

His degree, like, Cumo D is a book smart. Like, he can tell you any and everything about anything. And that's why I worked with him because it was nothing that, like, he never said things twice. Wow.

He's a real MC. We need Kumodie over here. Yeah. Him and Chuck Brock. And Father MC as well. And Father MC as well. Yeah. And Father MC.

Yeah. I spoke to him for like two seconds. He's a party guy. I wouldn't say he's an educated, like, rapper. Right, right. He brought you to roller skating rink, to the club, you know, to the picnic, you know. But Cuomo D would bring you there. No, he was spitting.

Cummody was trying to spit knowledge. He would bring you to the hip-hop parties and make you believe everything he said. Right. Yeah. Aaron Hall or Timmy Gatlin? That was awkward. Was it supposed to be

Aaron Hall or R. Kelly? Yeah, that's what I thought you all. But... Was it supposed to be that? These guys hold hand over here. It would be Aaron Hall. All right. Yeah.

Timmy Gatlin was a great writer. It still is. But Timmy wasn't like a singer to me. Timmy was like like me, you know. get in where you fit in. Right.

And get out. Because when it comes to the blowing, Aaron Hall was singing the lights off. Back then. Okay. But let me ask you now. Let me switch the conversation mid-conversation. Aaron Hall or Arkelly, what do you think?

R. Kelly all day. Ar-Kelly? It would be R-Kelly because R-Kelly, first of all, you're messing with a signature. R. Kelly doesn't sound like Amar Hall. Everybody keeps saying it and I'm just going to give you the real. He never sounded like...

Arkelly didn't sound like anybody. Yeah. He sounded like himself. He had one of the smoothest voices that will put you in the rain like Donnie Hathaway. That was his... Like R. Kelly created his signature like Donnie Hathaway.

Logic or Pro Tools? Logic. Do you know I'm the first logic user? Really? Yeah. Very first. I used logic on Atari Commodore. I did remember the time on Atari Commodore. It was in call Logic. It was called Notator.

And then it went from Notator to Notator Logic. And then they just took the Notator out and called it Logic when it went to Macintosh. Right. Before Apple, it was called. Macintosh. Crazy. So you know that computer, all you've seen

was this when you played Tetris song. And Michael Jackson joked my damn computer. He made me by multi.

He's like, is this thing does it work? So what is? No, first of all, when you say, what is that? Because I had it

on a laptop. He's like, what is that? I was like, that's when I make my music. He said, he said

I mean is it good like how long you had it like I had it for some time now you know he said um

where'd you buy it like I bought it my guy you know hooked me up with it and I bought it can you buy more like I think we need more

I truly think so that we'll never go down We'll never go down. Can you be Michael the rest of the area? He's like, Norma, can you take the model number and buy more, you know, in case. So we never go down. It's like, okay. You know, it's in the book.

But can I ask you because did you just say Atari? Atari Commodore computer. They had their computer. Atari had their own. And logic was on there. Yeah. Yeah. Before everybody.

That's triple OG computer shit. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's like 1.0. So the original version, MSDOTS not even. Before that, I think. Do you're hitting the block.

I used to play that on my downtime. Kid. Oh, my God. Before analog. It's like, it was no sound coming out of it. You know, that was just the MIDI. That's why I was called Notator, because it was just MIDI, and then I would use the MP. That's when I had MPs.

I used the MP. Basically, I played my drum machine, all of that stuff through it, and all my keyboards would be MIDI. And I have, a lot of producers would know this. It's called E-Magic. It was the MIDI, and I midi all my keyboards to the computer. which is basically midi is like sinking all the digital stuff together but I'm also the first on pro tools as well oh shit you know why

before pro two there was sound tools and sound tools was only two tracks and then it graduated to four tracks and then that's when digi design made it you know I was the first in Dorsey I was on I don't know if anybody ever seen the 888's that was the first interface the very first.

And I had an endorsement. I was the first endorsement with them. Wow. Yeah. So, but between the two, I like logic because logic, you can have custom key commands. Pro choose no custom key commands. So you got to, it's almost like slavery. You have to use their key commands.

You have to do it their way, you know. I couldn't. When Logic had the custom key commands, I was like, freedom. All right. Clips or I'll cast? Let's start drinking. I'll drink to that one. Oof.

By the way, let me say congratulations to the clips. Yes, congratulations to the nephews. Yes, yes. And, yeah. But I have to say both of them, problems. They're amazing. I text Push-a-T

and I text Farrell although I'm not from Virginia. Yes, you're. I felt like... I felt like... Your spirit is. They win was my win as well. Like, when I got to see,

like, Farrell win, and then the clips win at the same night and clips being clips. They didn't compromise. They didn't, like, you know what I'm saying? They changed. They didn't change. They was like, so I, I text push it myself.

I was just like, yo, bro, I just want you to know that's my win too. Like, I won that shit too. Exactly. And I text for all the same shit, but in like, in a different language because I didn't want to send them the same I didn't want to copy and paste. You know what I'm saying? So, so, but I look

and that shit was like, you know, I want to big, them up. I want a big hip hop up. And then when you actually think of that, like now, like, you know, we had Virgil, you know, we had yay, and we got

fucking, you know, Forel at the fucking head of fucking LVMH. I haven't got my friends and family package. It's okay. It's okay. Oh, me neither. I'm still. I don't know. I bought everything.

I bought everything myself as well. When you think about what hip hop When you think about that biggie line, do you think that hip hop was making this wall? And that shit is crazy, bro. That's huge. That's a signature. That's a slogan.

That should be a dog on Billboard. It should be billboards. Like, that should stay. Everywhere. Everywhere. The hip hop would make it. On hip, what, hip hop's 50th birthday, that should have been on every billboard.

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I got, still got goosebumps. You got more? Yeah, we got. We got ready. A few more, a few more. We're almost done. Take your time. You got more?

MPC 60 or SP200? MPC 60. Straight producer question. Huh? That's a straight producer question. Yeah, definitely. This one's for you, man. Okay.

Wait. Damn. Okay, okay. It's a car question. All right. All right, BMW. or the Ben's G.T. Coop. G.T. Coop.

G.T. Coup. Yeah. Okay. New Jack City or King of New York? New Jack, what? New Jack City. Or King of New York? New Jack City. You know you're in New Jack City, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. New Jack City, for sure. Super producer question here.

Roland V. synth or Yamaha motif? What? Do you know I have about how many? babe, I got about five or six rolling Vsense. They're discontinued. So I buy them all. Every time I see one, I buy it. Because it's my sound.

Right. The whole quarter sound on that, that's what you see me playing on stage. If y'all had one here, I was in a radio station. We did a Q&A, book signing, and we were doing questions, and I would play the records, and they were like, So I played, remember the time on it, right? It was like, it sounds like the record. I said, yeah, this is, but that's when I did it.

So you said you replayed it over for the? I played it. Oh, wow, that's fire. And right in front of everyone was like, wow. They didn't understand like, where's the music coming from? I'm in the mic and I'm da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And it's coming out of the keyboard. It's like, so yeah, next time.

I love for every beat that he mimics, it sounds exactly like it. It's like you referenced it first with a beatbox. Well, when you did it, when you did the records, you know, you know, when you make these records, at least I know the music parts. A lot of my songs, I don't. Because didn't Michael do that? Didn't he use to sound out records, like melodies and stuff? Man, I remember we in a room actually making the joint with a duck on upright.

piano and him doing the beatbox and I was like how am I going to convince him like with a damn upright but he had imagination because he's like no drum machines no nothing you take the piano and I have this idea check it how it goes like this do do do do bocuh to do you do do You're telling me, Michael had the beat? He beatboxed? Yeah, this is, no, no. He's beatboxing. He was doing that regularly.

And I was like, what am I going to do to that? My mind went to James Brown because he loves James Brown. So I went, oh. Bufo to boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, so put that. And he's making this on a dog on upright piano. I was like, this dude's taking me through college right now. Because I ain't never made no record, nothing creating anything on an upright piano. You do that in church.

You know, but that's the way he worked. spoons and wash, you know. Yo, he's straight from the old days. Like, that's the way he makes music. Crazy. All right. We're almost done.

Dougie Fresh or Slick Rick. That's some... Get to drink it. That's some haul-up. Get to drink. I'm gonna take him right now, man. He's like heavy D? You're bully, man.

You're like heavy D? Huh? Yeah, y'all, y'all bullying me right now. That's a, that's not a good one. Okay. So this is the last one. Of the rapid fire, which is not rapid at all. That you would like to say.

Oh, come on. Those are my brothers, man. And we started out, you know, back in high school. I can't put them against each other. That's like taking, that's like putting you against. We don't want to do it Exactly I would

I'll be drinking Let's drink for them again Let's drink for them again Yes let's do it Let's drink for them again One more time And all right So this is the

Last one Before we go back Into the interview I bet you I know what it is Loyalty or respect Wow Okay Wow

Wow No I don't Don't for it because... He'll take a shot just for leaving right now. Now, yeah, yeah. We got a celebration shot for him, right? Yeah, that's right. Enough you're holding it down.

He held it down, man. That's right. You are holding up the family name. Go ahead. There it is. It is. I am going to... I'm going to say...

Because I spoke about corners and circles. Cool. So I would choose... I would choose the... both. Yeah. I'm so quick to just drink. I agree too, man.

My reason for picking them both. Yes, please. Yeah, please. We need a good reason. Please. You can't buy loyalty. Mm. And you can buy respect.

Both is our goal. There's no cost. There's no cost. I don't see why anybody picks one to be honest. Exactly. That's what me and him. But people come up with really great reasons.

Great for respect and great for loyalty. But I don't know. they go hand in hand. They do. They do. Because if you don't have the loyalty and the respect, then you ain't got a corner. Yep. Right.

You just got a circle because somebody who's going to do this to you and then break out. Right. Yep. Right. Real shit. You don't want people like that. I had to get rid of them. Well, I had to get away from them.

You know, it was kind of when you start entering your 50, You don't want no headaches or stress. You don't want no nothing. Because when you're getting your 60s, you might as well hang it up. Because you stress like you're just done. And I'm not done yet. You know, just like, Rawell said, you can be 8 or 80. You can still keep going.

You keep going. Just keep the stress out. And that's what Quincy said before you pass. He said, you know, what's the one thing that if you had to do it all over again, that you would stay away from? He said, you know, the headaches, the stress, you know, let no one stress you. It's difficult now nowadays. Let no one spoil your joy. And that's the key to life.

We're bombarded with stress right now. Yes. By this, too, you know. Yeah. That's true. for our show is The frequency. Yeah, the frequencies

shit is real. We want to give you your flowers, man. We want you to know how much you mean to this game, how much like face-to-face man, the man who said it's better than the crampians. Wow. I like,

I was going to be. I was going to wall. I just tell you, man. Like, I know I knew, but I didn't know how much you produced. I didn't know how, I was like, holy

shit, because I already knew it. But then when you look at it, I'm like, there's no way. I'm like, I know everything about Teddy. But then these other records are playing, and I'm like, wait a minute. And that goes back to that signature sound. That's my gift.

I mean, you like that. Don't worry. Don't worry. That's part of your flowers too. What you gave, but. But, and I just want to tell you face-to-face, man. man like man like you you you gave so much to our culture you gave so much to our us our people you're still given and you're still given and we appreciate you we love you we want you to know that your legacy is is cemented in stone oh appreciate it man we like nah no dead serious like you know actually

and i'm gonna take a shot for you you don't have to go ahead go ahead you don't want to never you You drink that one joint? Okay, okay. Pour up, man, pour up. I'm starting to hear slurs. But now let's... You're going to hear all of our slurs right now. But now let's talk about the book because...

Yeah, it's a rock. Because I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this about you. Is you're a very private guy. You're a very private guy. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed. I've been in the industry 20 years. damn there and people you're not a person that people talk about like what I mean by that is like the rumor section you're not in the rumor section you're not you stay out of that way

you stay out of that but then now you're dropping a book or you the book is out the book is out right it's out right so what makes you how do you navigate that like like because you're a private I can tell you a private guy right how do you live a private life but then

give a book to the world about your life? I just felt it was time. I had this book 12 years, 12 years plus. I thought it was 13, okay. Yeah, 13. Okay, yeah. How open were you when you... Very, you know, you're definitely, when you're always,

everybody who read it, even down to, like, my kids, it was like, there's a lot of stuff I did not know. In a good way or a bad way? Good. Like, you know, but some bad. There was some bad things like me seeing my life before me and stuff like that that you will read about. I never wanted to tell those stories. And then I said, you know what?

I'm getting older now, you know, and I must tell my truth. And someone said to me, you better tell your truth and tell your story before they tell it. Yep, for someone else telling it. Somebody will tell your story. And I say, you know, I got to beat that. You know, we're coming with the TV film, and it's even more than this. We come in with the rooftop film. We come with a few things that I think people will want to see.

This is a roadmap. Some things you read in here, don't follow it. And some things you read in here, you'll be like, oh, this is how he did that. I'm going to try that. And it's a tool, you know. It's a tool. And at the same time, it's a collector's item because it's my first book. my next book

will probably be a children's book. That's fire. And the reason why I want to make a children's book because I always had this imaginary friend when I was young and my parents used to argue and fight. And I say, you know what? This was my way to get away from it. And my imaginary friend was The Music Man.

So I'm writing The Music Man. It tells you more about the music that inspired me and the tree of music that inspired me to create how I created and what made me do it and the how tos so this is not the how to it's just the roadmap and

what did he do what did he use you know more technical aspect but the children book the children book will show them this is what you do it's almost like reading the manual

but no no I got two more questions let me say I got two more questions So it's almost like reading the manual of life, how to start music or how to start creation. So I think it would be something special. It would be music behind it, lots of music. I love that shit. I love that shit's music.

Okay, so I have two more questions before I go back in the music. As is as many as you want. Jay-Z or Nas? Why did you do that? You went back into the quick time with slime. Yeah, I kind of fucked up. This is crazy. Yeah.

Went back into it. Oh. Well, I'm going to plead the fifth on that. We got to drink now. Yeah, I definitely. I felt like I wanted to drink anyway. Yeah, yeah, we know that, buddy. Okay.

Yeah, so let me tell you out. Let me tell you out. Quick, quick, quick, quick. No cap, no cap. Quick. Fun fact. Do you know when I was coming up in the studio, when I was coming up in the studio,

I was at the studio called Power Play. Power playing Queens. Yes. That's exactly. Okay. That's where I made my first record, so I don't know where you're going with this. I'm a alumni there. Okay, okay, okay.

Damn you are. I'm an alumni with Nas. Naz was... What? And I were at the same studio. He was rapping and starting his, you know, newly he wanted to do. And me, I was in the studio working with kids at work.

And I was working with Fred McFarlane and Alan George, who made somebody else's... guy and those guys were teaching me about how to produce yeah wow so that was you know I can't go against

nods now with Jay Z Jay Z you know used to come to Virginia and Jay Z was the connection to you know signing Beanie Siegel and all those guys but they came down to the studio

to work with me because I heard Virginia I always heard this yeah I've ever heard this that Dave was supposed to be signed to you and Chase Sidebar, you see what sidebar He said, y'all need to be with me.

No, I'm one of these joking. I don't know how it really came out, but I would I would have. I felt like Teddy just went thug on us right now. Oh no, that really happened. No, but I wasn't, I wasn't ready for them. My thing was, I was more into the R&B. All right.

But my guys and my family from Philly they were like, yo, they need to be with you. And I kind of sort of wish I would have signed at least one of them. You know, I think it would have been... Which one? Which one you would think? Freeway.

Freeway, wow, I can see that. And the reason why, because Freeway was more like, you know, to me, it was more like waxing the fact. Like, I could have done some crazy records with him. But he was educated, too. He was sick.

Yeah. when it came to, like, yo, stories and different things like that. If you were related to Rex and Effects, I could see Beans and Freeway, like, as that group. But Beings was more like, yo, Bean kicks science. He was more like. Yeah, I love. Beans was the broad. Yeah.

I love Beans. Like, I really, like, like, yeah. So I ain't going to. So what I'm trying to say is, like, what you're saying is, like, if I were to see them together, with that, oh, that would have been crazy. But that would have been another creation of like. So you told him you had the whole state property. Did you have the whole state property or just it was just beans?

It was everyone. It was a speedy crack there. My brothers, the Bayez brothers and Dow's shoes. The young guns. Wow. The young guns. So when they bought them down, they all used to come down just to hang with me.

And, you know, when they told Freeway and them, yo y'all going to see teddy rally it was like yo they was excited about it but when jay was there it was like we see the guard like this is the michael jackson of rap you know what saying like james was there to see you yeah he was working on you belong to the city oh yeah i'm in there making the beat so wait this is happening at that same time that's crazy You just let a beatbox for real. I ain't seen not one paper. With the deal?

I was like, I'm saying the fan of Jay. Jay ain't write nothing. He didn't write nothing. Everything was just from his head. Right, because that's the way he wrote. Right. I was like, wow, that's history.

So I got to work with the Michael Jackson of rap. Right there. Pick up the joke. Or should I say the Frank Sinatra? Ooh. Yeah. Or the Frank Sinatra or Jackson. So if you want to put it in perspective.

Frank Jackson. I don't think that's not. Frank Jackson. I'm just trying. No, that's, that's crazy. You call me Frank Jackson? Same character. Hold on.

You know what's great? The only time I worked with Jay-Z, I worked on R. Kelly record. It's me R. Kelly and me R. Kelly, J.Z and Cameron. Wow. Should I see this part of the interview? No, no, man. We safe.

I'm just playing. It's real shit. Okay, so now, moving on. We write this book. This is the first time you're kind of like, you know what I mean? Everyone knows Teddy is a very protective

person. He doesn't. is there something in your mind that you say, okay, I wrote this, and now I have to kind of like, you know. Stand behind it? Yeah, I have to kind of like stand behind it. I stand behind everything. Okay. That's in this book here because it's literally,

I would say, three and a half decades of my life. Mm-hmm. You know, and even like my son's mother, she said, you wrote this this is the first book I said how you know I'm doing the second she said

because you got you got a lot more you need to talk about like you got a whole lot more you know you ain't even talk about what really happened

in the business what happened to you and different things I said it's not time for it do you talk about the K-pop era no no

I'm talking about yeah that's your respect to help of I'm talking about the deep part, you know. She's right. Things you just got to hold. You got volumes. Yeah.

You got a hold. But my next thing is creating the New Jack Swing Symphony tour and performance. Describe this. It's a whole symphony for it. I already bought my tickets. Everybody in tuxedos. We come in here. We're going to use the Miami Symphony Orchestra.

And I want to share my music that way. That's dope. And I think it'll be so fly. And then I have the G2.0, the Guy 2.0, album coming to summer. Right. Guy. Yeah. Coming back out.

The new guy. The new guy. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. But you, I wish, I wish, I wish I could have invited you to the concert. I would have been there for a bro. We ended it with Frankie Beverly.

We All Won. Oh. That's the singers I got. And these are new people? Yeah, these, you know them. Okay. No, no, I'm the new guy, I'm saying. Yeah, these are new people.

But you remember? So I just took some all-star singers. You know how R&L and all of them, they put like a super group together? Right, right. I just took some all-star singers and created the Woon-Tain clan of singers. I like that shit. You just got me.

And I got my Frankie Beverly voice. I have my R. Kelly voice, and I have my Charlie Wilson, and then I have my El DeBaj. That's what call us. So that matchup right there, that's a mashup. When you hear the voices, you'd be like, how did he do it? Like, I did a show in Boston, and Ronnie DeVos was there. He called my guy, he said, how did Teddy do that? How do he duplicate the voices of Black Street guy?

And the guys, he said, he's an architect. What do you expect? So he said, yo, is he going to be, is he going to take that on tour? And I say, yeah, I'm going to take it on tour. I want to take it. That's my purpose. I didn't want to do the same thing. Babyface did it was going on tour with all-star singers and people not know who they are.

So I just, that's why I'll say. Guy 2.0, not taking anything away from Guy because guys... Of the original, right. Up here, you know. But I wanted to stay consistent. And I didn't... The Black Street thing, I didn't want to do that. The guys are still doing what they're doing.

But Aaron and Damien, you know, they're not on the road. And we have to be consistent. I'm tired of my music just sitting dormant. And people are not being able to enjoy it on stage, you know? So now I'm getting... giving them that and people are walking away happy. You know, Dag, this is a great show. I didn't expect

that. We just did the Zulu Ball. 20,000 people. Right. People were amazed. Like, they didn't know what to expect. And so we gave them the songs and it sounds like the music. It's like that. At least he gave us the record. He gave us the album. He gave us the picnic. He gave us the club records. You know, so that's what. My goal is just to take it on the road. We have a tour coming up. We have over 25 dates.

And I just want to enjoy the stage again. That's fine. So let me ask you with that being said, right? You know, I'm a solo artist and I'm part of a group. I'm part of Conna Noriega. I'm part of drink champs. Drink champs is what we are doing. Are you more comfortable being?

solo or are you more comfortable being in a group? I'm never solo. I'm not solo now. I'm a team player. I always have to come with a team or army. I'm not going to... If you see me solo, I'm doing like an EDM album with talk box and, you know,

recorders and singing records that... Is ecstasy involved? Huh? No. No. I mean, you say ADM... Music is my... Music is my...

Music is my ecstasy. My bad. You know what I'm saying? Yes. See what happens. You'd be like, what? Put me on that on.

No, you're going to be like, you too. What? My bad. No, but, but I want to make music

that people can really enjoy the music because most people like, before hearing lyrics, people like the beat. Right. So that's why I don't

give them with the, with the full quarter talk box, just kind of taking it in and it's like, it would be like ecstasy to them,

you know? They're just enjoying the music and just going hard. And I just want to be able to do what these DJs be doing, making like $100,000 just stepping the room with a bunch of lights and shit. And you're just playing. My boy Boris, he's a producer right here. Boris rolling the blunts over here. Oh, dope.

He asked. He's like, is he DJing? He's like, because that's what they do now. They got to go out and just. I used to. I used to. But my thing is coming with the talk box. Right.

There's nobody coming like that. since daft punk. Right. And now that they retired, I say, yo, let me create something and just see what people feel about it.

That's not the same as Roger Troutman was doing. Yeah, that's the same? Okay, okay. I was past that torch. Right. You know, Roger actually came to my studio,

and one thing he said to me, he said, man, you better not stop. He invented that, right? No. No? Who invented that?

It was invented between, I feel like it's between him, but I think it's Peter Frampton. Okay. Yeah. Because he played it with the guitar. Right. Now, Roger played with the guitar, but he also played with the people.

Right. It was the idea of using the tube. Yeah. Right. Okay. And that's what I do now. And I got a lot of signature records out there where they know it's me because a lot of people were playing. They play in the talk box, but, you know, it's not the sound that I have.

Would you consider that analog? That is very analog. No, no. Analog. Fuck, I just lost my train of thought. My bad. T-Pain. No, that's not autotone.

Autottoon. Analog, auto-tune. No, it's. No, I'm sorry. Te-Pan. I'm talking. It's a-in- It's before.

It's before. You don't think it would. No, no, no, no. I know it's before, but I'm saying, would you consider that? Could that be a description for it? Oh, you're talking about the analog auto-tune. No?

I wouldn't even say that. That's disrespectful. Okay. Yeah, okay. I'm only joking. Okay. No, no, it's straight the tube. It's the talk box.

The auto tune, you know, I started with the auto tune before T-Pain and before Rodney Jokens. You can look at my testimony when it first came out. They bought it to me to test, beta tests. And I was like, I don't want that. I was like, but I used it because I felt like I didn't have to use it like how they're using it. I used it just to keep like certain singers. The original auto tune was just to auto tune.

Yes. Like not to exaggerate. Just to beep up the voice. But it was the same thing. It's just you just turn it up more and you got it sound like a machine. You're pitching it in different ways. Right, right. And you remember one of the records that you use autotune on or do you?

I got the Black Street records. The second one. Damn it. It was to keep the singers on key. Not me. because I didn't My thing wasn't really singing I was just like rap singing

So I didn't have to stay on key I just No digity was not on key Oh shit I was off key But people They received it You know

I bought the point across And That made me just say That I could do more records It's almost like Johnny Guitar Watson Mm-hmm It was real mother for you That wasn't on key

Right So I mocked myself after them George Clinton Definitely not on key Definitely not on key But you know No No

No All right Then you had He fucked me up then Boss gag I mean it's not a bad thing No it's a great thing It's not a bad thing to not be on key

Yeah Boss gag You know what that is You got me See that black boy Over there running scared This is all in the bottle I thought that was on key

No, that was not on key That was not on key. That was in and out. I was in and out. I was fucked up in the head. You know, I think, okay, let's go to T-Pain. Incredible singer.

Did y'all know that? Absolutely, yeah. Okay. So. And incredible rapper as well. Yeah. T-Pain can sing off-key and people will still receive it.

Yep. He's just never tried it. He just never tried it. but I guarantee you because he knows his notes. I know my notes. How I learned how to sing is because I play keys. So if you know what you're playing on here,

I play by ear. If you got an ear for keys, you've got an ear for voice. You just got to have a voice. Or you got to have a sound. And you can play your voice is what happens in that mode. Yep.

Which gives you a lot of freedom in your voice, like to do things. Trust. Be creative. I felt like when I played when I played Vaux quarter now it's two different things Right

Vaux quarter you can play chords And that's how you hear like the All of the backgrounds on Black Street and all that That's Vokorder All of those harmonies That's full quarter But the talk box is single But you can also play chords with the talk box

Kind of feels a little distorted because it's a mono But it's better to play it as a solo. You get the sound out of it. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From IHeart podcasts and Best Case Studios. This is Worshack, murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall?

Somebody tell me that. July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons. And in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead. Everybody in the chambers ducts. A shocking public murder. I scream, get down, get down.

Those are shots. Those are shots, get down. A charismatic politician. You know, he just bent the rules all the time. I still have a weapon and I could shoot you. And an outsider was a secret. He alleged he was a victim of flat down. That may or may not have been political.

that may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast.

My latest episode is with Noah Kahn, the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success,

his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career. It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick. Man, you have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of.

I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck. I'm like, I suck.

Getting to talk about this is not common for me. Right now I need it more than ever. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back. I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Lavei, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name.

And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Cara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and more. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that. That's so funny. Share each day with me each night, each morning. So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yo, finally, we're here at Drake Chance at the fourth annual Black Effect podcast festival.

We're going to be there. You know we're going to tear it up. You know there's a lot of black people there, so you're going to be black as hell. April 25th, Atlanta, Georgia, please go get your tickets. I'm telling you, go get your tickets. I know how this happening. I've been going there. It's been going there.

You've been going there. Go get your tickets. going down during 10th annual Black Effect, Black, Black, Black, Black. Black Effect.com slash podcast festival. So let me ask you, right? Because

we had Nause on here and I asked Niles. I said, um, is there anybody that ever told you no? Right? And I feel like you're a person that I don't think anyone can tell no to as well. You're a lie. No, I'm from one

I've been told no. Okay. Have you, what could, if you were like... Sure. Who has told you no? I don't think no one could tell you. I'm going to tell you who told me no. I'm going to put him on Front Street, too.

Should I take a shot first? Yeah, take a shot. Everybody takes a shot for no. Tell us a shot for no. No meaning yes. I think I'm smooth enough to say this. Okay, go ahead. Barry Weiss told me no.

Barry Weiss. But that's an executive. Yeah, that's the people to tell you no. Oh, my, hi, damn. Those are the people to tell you know. When you get a no from them, it's like you're disappointed. Like, I thought I had something. He said no the guy.

Right. Damn. I wasn't ready. I put them off French Street. I wasn't ready. I'm just saying, a lot of record company executives don't have the air. Okay. I mean, they just got the business sense.

Has there ever been an artist who told you no? No No I knew that Not that I know Because I mean Most artists

When they get in the room Like Who would tell Farrell no No That guy Kind of told him No one time

Huh He He told him Oh I remember That No He told him

We all We all We all We all We all So We'll We'll tell you

Off cameras Skip that Let me ask So when I asked Niz that, Nass said that Prince told him no because he didn't own his own publishing. Right. Has anybody ever said, and you just said to us, at a 23 years, you just now own your own publishing? Has there anybody that ever? 35 years.

35 years? Damn. Damn. I put the... It's the reversion. You know, I'm the 35 years. So that goes with publishing and with owning of the Masters as well? Yeah.

I got 700 masters in my fault right now. And guess who gave it to me? It was actually at the studio. The first studio I did, I had about 6 to 700, 24 tracks. And I have to give flowers to two people. And that's Chuck Rock, who gave me a lot of my... He gave me a lot of my plaques and stuff back. and Salam Remy

Salam Remy He gave me my dog on Masters All 700 and something I seen this stuff Man I couldn't even get it in the I thought I could get a small story He said he said no you're going to need Because you need some shit

Your tapes was most of the studio Wow Okay can't hold on hold on Hold on Hold on Chab Rock and Salam Remy No, this is, that Chub gave me, like, my plaques. So I guess what he's trying to say is, why are they holding them?

Yeah. No, they, well, you know, Salam bought the studio, like, he bought the studio that I did the guy out. So when he bought the studios, he automatically owned the Masters? No, they were there. They were just trying to return them back to the original, the owners. Wow. And I was, that is so fucking big. It was all the back is that I was done.

You know, Salam said to me, he said, First of all, I got something special to tell you, but I also got this to tell you. You remember the little boy that was actually in the studio while you was making groove me and I like and all of those records? And it was the little kid. And you remember my father used to bring me to the studio. I said, you was that little kid. No, that is the fuck. This is crazy.

Islam was the little kid that was in the studio while I was making I like. and all those records at 17, 18, 19 years old. He became. He became a super producer. I was straight to that. You're trying to give you your flowers. Salon Remy. He should be on here. No, no, that's the whole.

That's family. Yeah, he should be on here. You're right. He got so much, man. So much history, man. No, he's a great food. I just feel so honored to be a part of it. You know, because.

He go back. Yeah. He go back. Damn, so I remember me, that is so dope. You want to read this question? Who sends this question? I don't know. It seems like Sonny.

It's a random-ass question. I don't like that you want me to read that. I just don't want to. I just feel like they attack me. I'm not going to read it in their words. I'm not even going to correct anything that they spell. Is it true that he did the Whitney Houston's step-by-step record? Who?

Yeah, he did it. Yes, I did the remix Because they couldn't For some reason No, it became the record Oh, it became the main record You know, of course, people get to say You get a certain amount to do a song

And then you get a certain amount to do a remix They call it a remix So they didn't have to pay me that. That's foul And they want to turn the record They're differentiated that way They want them turn to the record The remix, the record

It's amazing It's okay It's okay. I take it I don't like none of these questions Who said that? Nah I did that

Madway I got you got you Go This is amazing Okay Has an artist ever made you cry in the studio? What? Me?

Yeah No, I made artists cry Okay, let's do that Let's go that And who did you make cry And who did you make cry? And there's a follow-up And say it in the Michael Jackson voice

Okay Scary Spice That's not the Michael Jackson voice Oh scary spice Oh scary Spice girls Yeah Oh okay what's

I didn't mean to But when you kind of tell artists You know You ain't singing it right You guys say you know She's saying You told she can't say it bro And nobody go

With you She's like can you give me a minute to cry? I was like, whoa. I didn't know what to say, you know. Like, she was the first. And then the second was a K-pop artist. Her name was Tiffany.

This is Tiffany? From Korea? Yeah, from Korea. Girls' Generation. It was a, no, no. Let me tell you something. I love Korea because I love them for that. And then do you know about the birthday?

No, please. Like, their birthday is different than ours. Like, what, their birthday is after the past? You won when you come out of the womb. I was like, what?

Oh, you won when you come out of the womb? That makes sense to me. I just told my son that. I said, yo, you really, another age. Yeah, right. Because when you came out, you was one. Right.

And then I got to fight my whole family. No, Korea. And then another thing. So when they go to school, they go to school. They go to school from eight to eight. Oh, no. Yeah. And they learn algebra.

No, they learn everything. Yeah. And then. Rocket science. Some of them, that's why they got so many K-pop artists because most of them don't want to be in school all those hours. So they chose music. That's their career.

That's, yeah. The other curriculum is music. And that's how they became K-pop artists. we don't want to go to school all day because some of them go to school all day. And then it's mandatory at 19. They got to go to the Army. Mandatory.

Well, we don't fuck that. No, they don't take no for an answer. You don't go, you go into jail. America's not doing it. Man, we ain't doing that shit. Yeah. So what's the other random question? Too busy TikTok.

Okay, little Kim or Foxy Brown. He had a Foxy Brown record. That record is ill too, man Thank you. I did that record for a dollar. You know why? But Black Street's on the record as well. Yeah.

So, I mean, I mean, no, I did it for a dollar. Right. Because my fee would have been, you know. Right, right. But I did it for a dollar. And the reason why I did it for a dollar. Is that slang?

Huh? Like, did it for a dollar? Is that slang? Like, you mean, like you really did it for a dollar? No, really a dollar. One dollar? Wait, talk. You got.

No. I can't call nobody. You got Leon on Speed Dial, right? I got Leo. You got Leon Speed out? You did it for a dollar, you did it for a dollar? I did not do. I don't know.

I'm trying to figure this out. So. Call Lear and ask them. No, I believe you. They didn't believe it themselves. They were like, uh, uh, when they came down, they thought they could smooth me with all of Louis Vuittons. You remember they used to.

Okay. Russell you in. I took a lot of them. Uh, his wife, his ex-wife. Camaro. Camaro. Kamar Lee. Oh,

so, you know, they were the Louis Vuitton people. Okay. They gift you with Louis Vuitton, right? And, um, my whole mindset

wasn't about that. I thought about the tribe called quests. The beef? The beef. Leo was in my studio. We had a beef. Well,

it was like, you know, so I was trying to, like, you know, let's win them over, give them, the bracket for a dollar and

get a favor. Because it's death jam. It was def jam. So they came down and Russell was trying to you know like yeah man it was a joke everybody's joking, you know, that we hope we get him for like, I hope he don't charge us arm and a leg and

they were so worried. They never came to Virginia. When they came to Virginia and Russell they sidebar with me and it was like, yo so what you're going to hit us in the head for? That's what you're talking about. He said, I know your price, man.

I said, what are you talking about? He said, how much for the record, T? I said, you won't believe what I'm going to charge you. He said, is he joking or what? He asked in Leor. So Leo's like, come on, man. Tell us what you want for the record. I was like, okay.

Russell, go in your pocket. You carry cash? He said, I don't carry a lot of cats. I said, pull out what you have in your pocket. He pulled out some money. He happened to have a dollar. I said, spread it out like you in the strip club. Spread it out.

And I said, okay. He's like, they looked at each other like, this niggas joking. He said, you're joking right now? I was like, nah, it's not a joke. Just consider that a favor. Wow. I want my favor.

So those two, I'm saying it right here on Drink Champ. And I'm going to say on every interview, y'all still owe me my favor. Jesus, you ain't cash in? I ain't cash in yet. He's holding on to that favor, man. I know you all the way over in Bali. Yeah.

I still want my favor. And Leon, he called me. I was supposed to do his party. I think he put everybody, he had everybody on his jet. I was on the jet, yes. You was on there? Yeah, I was on there. I was called, and he called me to be on the jet.

Oh, shit. And I said, yo, I can. I have a concert. I'm not able to make it. He said, I just want to know, I call you. I was like. Why is Leo something drunk right? His Leo accent.

That's the only accent. That's how he said he got that slum. And I say, you know, but catch me on the next one. I'll definitely come, you know, because it's amazing to just even hear from you. But I'm one saying that call, you know, you still owe my favor. But I'm going to catch you the favor, man. No, but, now, me or is my guy. I have to ask.

I have to ask. Thank you for co-signing that. 100%. Wait, what? They co-signed. He co-signed me. He's owed the favor. Oh, one million percent.

And he needs to get that favor. One million percent. Hold on. What you got? Yeah, you can let them up. You can let them up. Okay, thank you. Take it.

My bad. My son, my son is like, he bullies me. He bullies me. We've been bullied all this whole episode. This whole episode, we've been realizing that. How many sons? Yeah. Everybody is being bullied.

What you said? What? Oh, shit. I'm not sure about your questions, man. Well, I'm not sure. Okay. Well, his beef or baby face, his staff did not want to. Now, you know out at yourself.

You know how to be a baby face? Like, I'm going to be honest. How the fuck do you want baby face to get beef? Why are y'all putting us in the beef? See, this is how this shit happened with Biggie and Tupac and Black Street. No guy in New Edition. Everybody putting us in beef. We ain't in no beef.

I just don't think that he would give me a shot for us to create verses on a stage like Monica. And Brandy? And Brandy. And I'm telling them, put back on your boxing robe and how you came out on verses. And let's do this, man. Let's get back in the ring. Let's take it to Africa. What's that?

Baby face. Boom-a-e. Baby-a-hae. Baby-a-hae. Wasn't that I'll eat Bumaree, but you just changed it up. He didn't want to walk the robe. He wore the robe. Yeah, okay.

I wore the fur. Oh, yeah. New York. Okay. So he put on a robe, you heard, Oh. You ain't see that ever since? Yeah, God, damn it.

I was like, for real? Oh. Okay. I called Mike Tyson. Magic Johnson said I had all. Everybody had the, we had the furs. And then the fight happened. And then the Teddy Raleigh internet.

He never gave you my shot to finish. We never got the finish. Do you know that? So why don't we finish? You want that smoke. Listen, I can see it in your eyes through your glasses. Listen. You already?

Nah, for real. And that was like before. Like, you're not in the same room. Your internet was a little crazy. I remember that. Nah, it really wasn't. It was just the equipment I had, and IG was just a little behind in technology.

Yeah, now we got it together. Yeah, no, we did. Oh, see. I own my own internet. You want that rematch? No, but, but, but, Babyface is one of the most incredible writers in this whole entire world.

That's it. I will never have a beef with him. Mm-hmm. I just think that we need to do this. The example is we had this idea first of putting it on the stage. You a baby face? Yes. Well, I did.

Okay. And then versus it. It was my dream. And if had we did that, because we were the only ones that never had versus like how we created it. When they went on the stage, that was our creation because that's what we did at the house. If I didn't do that Versus would have been still in the house Am I right or wrong?

Nobody would have never known about doing versus on no dog on stage. It's like, oh, man, Teddy did it. Now we should do this for everybody. They even let Beanie men and them have dog on boomboxes. They killed them.

They killed them. You know what I got a little dangerous. They got a little dangers in a yard. Police came. I said, wait a minute. Where are we going? So me doing what I did, it's almost like what I did with New Jack Swing.

And everybody got on it. And I'm happy about that. It's just a legacy. That's all of this. But Babyface, if you give me that shot, we're going to make the culture just go wild. They just brought back first. It's like, Monica.

How we let them get it before us? And then I'm gonna keep it will I'm gonna keep it 100 I bought it to some promoters and they didn't believe they didn't believe we were the biggest

of all the verses every last one you could put a couple of them together and still wouldn't even meet ours you could put a few you could put more than five together and still didn't make ours we had over eight

billion instances. They didn't want to display that, but CNN told the truth. CNN did? Yes. They're the ones who reported it. It was like, this is over 8 billion instances. The reason why? Because IG didn't want us to

beat Michelle Obama. She had a party the same day. Oh. And guess who was DJing for the party? De Nights. You damn right. And he left the party. So watch to come watch.

All the artists, Quaver called me and said, yo, you broke the rules. We can't even get back in the room. I said, we can't even get back in our own. That's what breaking the internet is. Right. They didn't do it.

And everybody afterwards was like, they didn't bring the hype. The hype was the Teddy Raleigh internet. Broke. He broke it then, then he broke it. again. So I

think he deserved that shot and I think you know, face before, you know, he'd just say, yo, I'm good. I don't want to do this again. You know, I'm retiring. This is the way to go out with a bang. Because we bring in the culture. He's got all those hits and I got some records.

And it would be more than a three-hour show, but we wouldn't do that. We're just going to give you a piece of our love. And keep, yo, keep everybody just coming. I know what it would do. Monica, now they're the example. We were supposed to be an example. Right.

But they are the example. And you see how well that did. Yes, I did. People want to see verses on the stage. Absolutely. And on tour. And on tour. So, like, say if Swiss and Timerland do a verses, like, tour with them on the stage,

because they started. They got to be the verses, too. You say like Monica and Brandy? No, no. Timberlin and Swiss got to be... Themselves being themselves. They're themselves. They're doing themselves and put it on the stage.

The same thing, I mean, already, Gladys Knight and what's name already doing it? Pagler Bell. Yep, they are. They're doing it. They're doing it well. Yeah. These things would do well. You just can't be afraid of it.

And that's what I feel. And it's got to be well produced as well. Yes. Come on with us, too. I just think that If we do that, it will be off the chain It will take the summer and the winter It would be probably asking us to come Africa or something

And I thought we should start it in like a place like Africa I heard you say that earlier It's like make it look like yo The rumble in the jungle Like we're going to go ahead and it won't be You go first, you go second We just go back and forth like how Trace Songs and Chris Brown did

It's a celebration. We celebrating. There ain't no competition because I ain't competing against them. I'm not doing that. I will never compete with my brother. That was just strictly for the culture.

And, you know, we made it look like we we ain't backing down. I know he ain't backing down and I'm not backing down neither. Like, you know, it is it. So let me ask you, right?

Why in our culture? Right? It's just like, we, we, like, people like us want to celebrate. celebrate our legends. But in hip hop or and people say, all right, man, you know, you're over the hill now.

Like, and like, like, like, I think you said it earlier. I mean, for else, like, man, keep working. Like, let's keep working. But why in our culture, there's no such thing as washed up in jazz music. There's no such thing in rock and rock and rock music. These guys are 900 years old. Exactly. On stage.

110. Why is it in our culture that it's frowned upon? Because we are so critical in scrutinizing each other that we never give each other the love that we deserve. So that's why sometimes you've got to just keep doing what you're doing so people can still receive you. And, you know, don't let anybody turn you away or stare you away from being or striving to be great.

Because one day they will see that. You got to show them your greatness in order for you to be accepted. You just got to show it. Don't talk about it. A lot of people talk about, I'm going to bring R&B back, or I'm going to bring this back and never conquer.

So you got to now just do it and not talk about it. Just do it. and be strong about it. Just be determined. I'm determined to, you know, be consistent. Because when you're consistent, that's the key. And you're not having to worry, like, I've got darts thrown at me when I said,

yo, this is guy 2.0. But when people started hearing it, they started getting those darts back. Right. You know what I'm saying? And that's what you got to do. Like, I really feel like you got another record in you. I do. You know what I'm saying?

No, seriously, I'll promise you. Yeah. If, if, Ferell, you and Forel, like, how the clips? Come on, look at the clips. Yeah, I got the Dr. Dre beat. I got three of them. Okay. Recently.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple weeks ago. So we got you. Give me a call. Yeah, just please, please. Yeah, I'm going to make sure. Listen, y'all are in the same city right now, right? Yeah, yeah. It's serious.

Like, shit, I'm coming to get a teddy while he fucking beat, too. And you know, you know what, for me is when you do the records out of love. Like, when we first started, we did this shit because we loved it. Exactly. It was the industry who made us hate it. Because it's not the industry. Yes. And not only that, it's just like, like when you spoke about,

you know, the career thing and all that, like certain things, like certain people who took advantage of it. Like me, for sure, I got took advantage of. And for me to come back and me to do it on my own terms will be like, like, that's what I love.

That's the thing you're supposed to do is it's supposed to be on your own terms because it feels better. Instead of being forced. Yes. You never force. You're not a false. I mean, it'd be so easy for you. I should.

I'm gonna play you some shit I got some shit I'm already ready Okay Yeah Then I'm gonna play you Yeah I'm gonna play something for you

I would love I would love because You know what Me and my partner Like We said me at EFN We really started this show To give people like you

Your flowers To give people like you Your credit Because it's truly that Like if it's not you Like us related, like, like us being connected. Like, you truly are one of the icons. You are an icon.

You are a legend. You are a person that if it wasn't for you, the music wouldn't be what it is today. And I'm not afraid to tell you that to your face. That is like you push the needle. You are the move. What are they call it? The move shaker? Yeah, yeah.

You are that person. You are that person. And I feel like our culture has to celebrate that. We have to praise that. We have to let you know, you know, to your face. And if our culture ain't going to do it, we will do it. A silver 40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From IHeart podcasts and Best K Studios, this is Rorschach.

murder at City Hall. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that. July 2003, Councilman James E. Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons. And in less than 30 minutes,

both of them will be dead. Now everybody in the chamber is docked. A shocking public murder. I scream, get down, get down. Those are shots. Those are shots. Get down. charismatic politician. You know, he just bent the rules all the time. I still have a weapon,

and I could shoot you. And an outsider with a secret. He alleged he was a victim of flatdown. That may or may not have been political. That may have been about sex. Listen to Rorschach, murder at City Hall on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah, the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success, his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career. It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so

sick. Man, you have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

Someone says that I suck. I'm like, I suck. Getting to talk about this is not common for me. Right now I need it more than ever. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mara Jones, and I love playing music with people so much that my podcast called Playing Along is back.

I sit down with musicians from all musical styles to play songs together in an intimate setting. Every episode's a little different, but it all involves music and conversation with some of my favorite musicians. Over the past two seasons, I've had special guests like Dave Grohl, Leveh, Mavis Staples, Remy Wolf, Jeff Tweedy, really too many to name. And this season, I've sat down with Alessia Kara, Sarah McLaughlin, John Legend, and Moore. Check out my new episode with Josh Grobin. You related to the Phantom at that point. Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that. That's so funny.

Share each day with me each night, each morning. Say you love me. You know I... So come hang out with us in the studio and listen to Playing Along on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yo, finally we're here at Drink Chance The fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival.

We're going to be there You know we're going to tear it up You know there's a lot of black people there So you know it's going to be black as hell April 25th Atlanta, Georgia Please go get your tickets I'm telling you go get your tickets I know how this happening

I've been going there It's been going there You've been going there Go get your tickets It's going down drink chance Fourth annual Black Effect Black, Black, Black, Black Black Effect.com slash podcast festival

This is why I love doing this show Because as the young fan in me comes back and meets the icons and the heroes. So this is an actual cassette that I bought, right? Look at that. That's crazy. And I used to love because I was an aspiring DJ couldn't afford turntables originally, right? So I loved all the singles because they had the instrumentals. Yeah.

Yep. But I hated that they always came in the paper. So I used to cut them up and put them in the plastic joints. Right, right, right. so they would make, so they would be protected. So what you have that from? I'm bringing you this. I mean, this is Rumpshaker. He knows the year that is wrong.

92? This record is, listen. That's 902. To me, there's two records in hip hop the defined Summers. Whether this came out in the summer, I can't tell you. But I'm telling you, defines for me summers. It's Dwick and Rumshaker. Because he jerked off to those videos.

Keep it real. Relax, buddy. Come on. Not at all. I'll tell you a fact. I'll tell you a fact. It's so crazy. Because for so long, we, we wasn't considered hip hop.

I know that. But, you know, I'm in Miami. I'm a Miami guy. So for me, that was it. So, wait, hold on. So y'all looked at them like two live crew? No, no, no, no. You understand.

I'm a Miami hip-hop head. So I'm not looking at that divisive stuff that's going on somewhere else. To us, this is, this is the jam. Oh, this is it. A lot of people. like I said it's Dwyck and this But if people would ask

Like So is it hip hop No that's Rex and effect Or that's New Jack Swing And why do music Like I said scrutiny Why music have to be put

Into a category Or into a box Right When it was everything to everybody This was the first record The first booty song To play on MTV the very first

Besides True Life Crew? They wasn't on MTV. Yet? Or never? It took all right. I mean, after. That record was decided by a judge. The first commercial about Rumshaker was a judge.

And they played a record and, you know, it was like a demonstration. This record makes MTV. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And we did a lot to make that record.

Make TV. because we had some stuff going on. And we had some stars in there. Like you would know like the girl that's playing the saxophone. Right.

You know who that is? No, who's that? That's Bobby Brown's wife. Wow. Today. My long time, then, though. Wasn't his wife then?

Right, right. That's his wife now. Do y'all think y'all introduce Torgan? No, no, no. No, no. That's all day. That's Luke. That's, that's, I even said a lot of my records. I'm the East Coast Luke. God damn it. Okay. But listen, you said this is hip hop, nonetheless. Yeah. But no, it wasn't, I mean, when the 50th. To us in Miami. We wasn't called. We wasn't called. And let me tell you something. This is a hip hop hit record. I don't get a fuck what nobody says.

The lead rapper is one of the most influential. rappers because a lot of people and I'm gonna keep it 100. A lot of people a guy that got their style from him. I'll kill.

A plus. Keep going on. He's a very educated rapper and freestyle. Yeah, A plus. Off the rip. But, you know, when people don't give you that

respect, you know, he's just like, yo, I got another job over here. I could just do that. and we just kind of left it alone. But when we performed that song, I mean, I think it's going to go down in history. Like I said, I mean, I don't know if everybody agrees with me, but I feel like it's Twink as well.

And it's Rumpshaker. Those are the summer records for that time period, which is the golden era in my, you know, from my generation of hip-hop. Yep. It's Twick and Rumpshaker. Like, there's no other record that's going to bring everybody out on the dance floor like that. I feel the same way.

You know, this is, that's a classic. You know, there's not a lot of rap classics, you know, that you could say I could play 20 years later. This record, 92. And still playing the day in the clubs. And the sample, the original sample, public enemy used, right? First or no.

The original sample is by some, I got sued million dollars for that record. A million. A million. I had to pay. Me. So what's the original? They called us later when the record

did half a million. Because the record was in court with them. That sample's crazy. And part of my publishing check went to pay for that sample. They let us it's an Indian ban.

An Indian man before public enemy. Before Before them? Yeah. And then Jay used it afterwards. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Wow. Crazy, man. So we know you didn't smoke the blind. Not yet. We know that. It was for later or before. Can I ask?

Because this is for my inner junkie. Whoa, whoa. Oh, the inner junkie and you. What's the, what kind of drugs was in the Bobby Brown sessions? Well, see Well, was there not? You want to know if they were cooking Fried Chicken

That I work with that did substance Did not bring it around me I'm gonna tell you Like Snoop Dog And that's my brother But Snoop would even ask me, yo Can we Can we hit one?

And one day He smoked in a session, right? And Aaron Hall was with us. Everybody was in a session And Snoot came and he said, I bet you can't hit this. You'll never hit that. And Snoop had some strong stuff, right?

And I said, I bet you I would. Because they smoke every day. Him, corrupt, everybody, quick everybody. So I took a hit and it changed my life. Now, I'm going to tell you why, because I have hyperthyroidism. And I used to have tremors. My hands used to shake a lot. You know, I had Grazed disease, cancer.

Wow. And I used to, I could never sleep. Like, if I'm in a studio session, I can go to, for 48 hours, literally. But for me, what helped me, and now we're working on a strand as a T. As a T, you said? As a T. Because Indica is probably the best thing for me, and I only have to take one, and I'm good. And because the up or the down?

No, the down. It's a downer. Because I'm already up. Okay. For him to sleep. I'm already up. Like, I'm like, why you say, jumping bunny, you know? You're out of here.

I can go, no, do yourself. I'm like dear cell. And it was nothing that, because I don't really like taking medicine at all. Yeah, me. It was nothing that could help me. And my ex-manager, I used to play with, I used to, you're a pushing man. You know, like he was, you're a drug dealer. Because he, you know, he introduced, he's when they had the vapes, but I realized that was dangerous.

Right. Then he said, you know, then you would have to do the real deal or let's figure out how we can turn it into a T. So I have a company now really putting together a strand and so it can make it into a T. That's no. That's fire. So that I'm able to, you know, sleep. But it also helps me with my thyroid. So, yeah.

Okay. So the drugs in the studio, I could tell you a couple of people who asked me, you know. I'm in. ODB. ODB when he came to do the remix for Fix. Okay. And this is how you got that part on Fix when he went, Who, her?

Her name is Vagina. The dude had to have a 40, and he had to have his weed. Nobody never did weed in my studio The first person to do weed in my studio was Buster Buster rounds Yeah My brother Because he's like

I don't feel good I feel good I need yo I need I don't feel right in here Yo You know Is it personations off the chain I'll talk to you for a minute

I need to talk for you T R You know because Something got to give. I was like, who's you talking about? He's like, yo, I know you don't allow, like, you know, smoking in the studio where can, um, if you could just give me this one, I'll

finish this record, like, like, trust. Wow. I was like, I, you got a bus? Wow. He smoked, it was it. Wow. It changes, you know, it's another playing field when, And you got that.

So like, even sometimes like when I'm in the studio, I will have that feeling. Like today is the day I need to. Because I'm on something right now and I need to focus. So the stuff I do is give me a focus and I'm like in that zone. And like, just working on records for like,

Usher and stuff and I'm like, yo, I gotta get in the zone. So Man Take it The picture, I can't thank you enough, man I can't thank you enough man

Like I know you got to wrap it up but I'm going to take another shot for you I'm going to take two more shots You're going to take one shot Yeah yeah I'm going to take two more shots I'm going to take two more shots

because let me just tell you man we all owe you man It's music industry You don't mean nothing No no no no Let me give me You gave me my gift and my flowers about me being here.

No, no, no, no, no, check this out. I'm gonna be 100. Okay. I didn't think I would ever make it here. Really? Why? No, I'm serious because I didn't really have, like, when I go on a show, like, your show has got to be something.

Like, this really got me here, I feel. Like, this is my reason. I know you wanted me to come up because we talked about it. Oh, yes, oh. At the piece by piece, but this. this right here, I feel like this was the vehicle that I feel I have something to talk about

and then all the stuff y'all wanted to ask me and then the games. And it became like, yo, that's flowers for me. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Just coming on the show, I don't, like I told you,

I don't have done on my past. Right. But thank you for humoring us. Yeah, yeah. And we have to, we have to. You know what? In case that's what you want to do, it's people like us that we sit around and we have to say, man, like this, like your legacy,

what you've done, what you gave to us is you birth children, you birth, you know, like when I said four different decades, I was sitting back and I was just like, that shit is so beautiful. Like, you know what I mean? There's people who don't last six months. This people don't last six weeks. This people don't last two weeks. And the fact is that you have this a luxurious career, I have to sit you as a man and tell you thank you.

Thank you for doing that. because I know how much shit you have probably been through. I know how much shit that you ain't talk about in that book because I can't say I'm of you, but what I'm trying to say is I'm of that same essence. Yeah. We all come from that. The tree.

And I know, I know the hardship that you've been through, and I know the fact that you standing here today as a man sitting there and you are who you are, you are, You are, everyone loves you. Everyone worships you. But I know, I know sometimes what we've been through. Like, you know, I look at my friends sometimes. And I can see them go to McDonald's.

And I can say to them, fuck, I'm jealous of them going to McDonald's. Right, right, right. Not because I'm jealous of them going to McDonald's. I'm jealous that they can go to McDonald's. They can get their chicken filet or fish filet. I know you don't eat chicken. They could get their fish filet. They can get their little,

they, they, uh, because my man is vegan. Uh, they get his little, they can get their french fries and they can sit down. I'm sorry,

I'm not, he mean to throw you out of there. But they could sit down and that shit, it vexes me sometimes because it's like, damn, I know much I sacrifice for this industry. You know how much I've done

for this industry? Yeah. And I can't even do it. I can't even get a, make Donald's mail. Like, Without being. But.

Yeah. But you can. It's just you choose not to. So it's like, I, I wanted, like I watched this show probably since the beginning.

Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you. And, you know, I was like, Dag, if I go on this show, I want to have something.

I want to have something. Because I know I got something. Right. But I want to have something. something more, like something to talk about, you know. I'm always with substance, you know. And that's the reason why I kind of duck and dodge, you know, when I saw you, I'm like, I ain't ready.

No, you know what? But you know what the beautiful part about that was? Was I got, like I said, like I started this interview off when I got to see you be so happy for another person. And I got to see her, I'm saying, like, you're one of these people that, like, you've done everything. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we had Will Smith on here.

I'm sorry to be, uh, and Will told us, he said, man, there's a mountain top. And when he said this, what is it? What is it? What? Cliff Top. And he was, he was just describing to us how you, you could make it to the top of the top. And that should just not be enough. And that shit scared the shit out of me.

That was, okay, I'm sorry, because I feel like you're about to say something. You're right. You're right. I always say, you know, it's easy to get to the top, but it's hard to maintain and stay there. And my formula to that is this is the industry. If you're trying to sustain yourself, sometimes you've got to sit down, just like let the sub come in. A lot of people don't know how to let the sub in. Right. So that's what I did. I created subs. I created, you know, like, architects that could fulfill what I'm doing while I'm sitting down.

And that's what, for well, you know, that's where they all come in. It's like, hey, at least I know that something came from or came through me that I'm able to say, that he's doing it. And when you see that, like Rodney Jenkins as well, you know, and you're able to say that I'm a part of that. It's like when you said with the clips, you know, that's part, I'm a part of that. That's my award too, you know. I feel that way as well, but I'll never say. It's just like you smile inside that that really shows right here. It's all in here and it's all in here.

You know, and that's what you're seeing. Yeah. Because I'm proud, like, 100, 1,000% proud of all of them. Mm-hmm. I can tell. You know what I'm saying? It's no, like, never have been any type of heteration. No.

Because when you know, like, when you see, like, you envision the tree, like, like, It only adds on to you, but I got to see it. I'm still behind you, bro. I know you was behind me, but you didn't see me drop the tear of joy. I did see that. Oh, you did. I did. I did see that because, guess what?

I was hiding my tear. Yeah, who was sitting right behind me? It was me, motherfucker. My wife was dead. She was filming, I was almost wanting to say, get the camera off of me. Because, no, you were right here. You were exactly where he was. fit for it was to me.

And what I realized was our whole chemistry divorce together at that very moment. I knew it already. But I looked and you know what? God bless hip-hop, man. God bless hip-hop, man. God bless. Yeah. The last person that did that with me where I had a tear of joy

was when I won we won the Grammy for No Digitiv. And then what came next was a record of year and voiced him in one. And

Rick Rubin took a piece of paper and wrote that should have been your award. Wow. And I said everything happens on God's time.

Sometimes you got to sit, like I said, you got to sit back. Let God stared away. It's a pressure process. You trust the process, you know. You get there. You just got to stay in.

Stay in the number. Stay in the game. Do another record. Yes, I am. Absolutely. But let me just, let me just end it on this note. I really have to thank you again. Thank you again for your contribution.

Contribution to life. Not only just music. Thank you. Your music changed people's lives. So I want to say thank you for what you contributed to life. even bigger than music. You know what I mean? Like when I'm sitting around

and I'm sitting around, I was like, this man, this man catered our ears for 30 damn years. And 40, of course, of course. I was just downplaying it.

But I'm doing it in the right way. What I'm trying to say is that shit is so beautiful, man. Like, I'm proud to know you. I'm proud to be in the same area as you. I'm probably to be in the same room. as you. I'm proud. And me and him, like we

said, man, we want to give people their flowers while they are alive. They trees why they can smell them and they thoughts where they can tell them. And we want to tell you, thank you, brother. Thank you for being who you are. Thank you for being this. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm so scared

because I'm looking at your people and I can tell they want you to go and I'm like, okay, we still got to do a picture and drop in a couple of pictures. But take one more shot. Let's do it. Oh, I forgot. I got, I jerk you on the shot. I jerk you on a shot. I jerk you on a shot.

Pause. You know how this shit is. The shit is going to be. Salute. I got, I got this and it's salo. Salute. And thank you. And thank you to your team, man.

Thank you. All of your team is beautiful, man. They was on point, even though my Dominican friends sent them the wrong address. I blame it on him. I'm blaming you, Mr. Lee. I cannot blame them that. I blame you. Because A.

Friallon Crocky hit me. me. It was like, do you know, you have, you have Teddy on your show? I said, of course I know. Do you know. He goes, you know there outside and I'm going, there's no way. And I know it's, so that's the other spot. No, no, no, no. I believe it was him sending the wrong address. I'm blaming him all on everything. I'm blaming the Dominican guy. Yo, thank you so much, though. Thank you so much. Yeah, let's take a picture. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production, hosts and executive producers, N-O-R-E, and DJEFN.

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