Drink Champs - Episode 498 w/ Ras Kass

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Ras Kass! The Carson, California MC dives deep into his career, breaking down the science behind his intricate bars and the stories that shaped his legacy. Known for his razor-sharp intellect and unapologetic commentary, Ras Kass doesn’t hold back as he revisits classic records, industry politics, and the challenges of staying authentic in a changing game.Throughout the episode, he reflects on his early days, linking up with West Coast legends, and the impact of albums like Soul on Ice. The conversation touches on everything from label struggles to creative freedom, giving fans a rare behind-the-scenes look at the highs and lows of his journey. With plenty of laughs, wild stories, and of course drinks flowing, the episode balances knowledge and entertainment in true Drink Champs fashion.This is more than just an interview—it’s a deep dive into the mind of a lyrical technician who helped push hip hop forward. For fans of bars, history, and unfiltered conversation, this episode is essential viewing.Make some noise for Ras Kass!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, Casey, you don't know what we're talking about. One, only, I think that's amazing. You really got 36 albums, bro? I don't know if I got that. Yeah, we counted it. We counted him. Really? Yeah, yeah, we counted it.

I don't know what the fuck I was doing. Since the 96th, though? Yeah, I just made it. I just created I'd be done. You know, what, signed for five. I thought I'd be out by four. Right. And you just dropped a new album.

Yes. Sephardite's face. Okay. Okay. What is the difference from coming out of 96 to coming out now? That's a good question. I would say a lot more saturated. Okay.

You know, it's just a lot more output. I remember knowing, like, going to the record store and knowing what Def Jam had. You know what I'm saying? What Tommy Boy had. And now it's kind of like everybody's vying for attention. So I kind of looked at it like Times Square. It's a million billboards. So you've got to focus attention.

So now you got to make it because you love it. Try your best to promote it and hope somebody listens. You ever thought you would do it this long? Fuck no. Sometimes, like, why do you? But you know what it was? I thought, like I said, I thought I'd be done by four. Life keep lifened.

So you just end up having shit to talk about. Now, okay. So now, the Golden State Warriors. Yes. They actually did sue you guys? Yeah. For what? It really did. Because at that time, you guys were selling an imprint?

Well, we named ourselves, and I guess we got on the radar. Okay. So exhibit, you know, the restless album went platinum, and then all of a sudden they cared. You're like, you are not the Golden State War. It's like, well, we spelled it differently. It's like, we don't give a lot. Didn't you? I spell it differently. They don't care.

They don't care? You can't be McDonald's. Yeah. can't be McDonald's. We were trying. Wow. Holy shit. Rest and peace of fear. Rest and peace of fear, my brother. Is that somewhere?

No, we did, we did like five records. And I'm also going to be, I'll be honest. My record, it wasn't capital at the time. I think it was transitioning priority records. Okay. Priority, yeah. They just got a little greedy, man. They fucked that deal off. So I'm always the one that, like,

because everybody had different deals. Exhibit was at loud. I was at priority. Sefir was at, um, Quincy Jones label, I forgot the name of it. Quest. Quest. He was signed a Quest.

And when X popped, the bean counters start coming out. That's not a racist thing. I'm talking about. The counting of money. The counting of the money, people, the attorneys and the suits started asking for a whole bunch of shit, and they, like, held up. But we had a million-dollar deal on the table. And they, like, dragged it out for, like, a year,

which was really when I started flipping out where I was just, like, maybe this ain't, then make a mistake. where it would kind of seem like they were sabotaging. Right. And you had Drey beats and all that. Well, I mean, think about it. We had his relationships, my relationships, and Severe. So, you know, theoretically, we would have had E40 and two short with all the Bay shit.

Right. Right. And then we would have had my relationships, which I got Rizza and blah, blah, blah, blah, and premiere. And so we were going to kind of do one of those, like Voltron it up and make this crazy different kind of record. You don't think of those? you could put that record out today. I was just up to say that. All these people are doing these records

with artists that aren't around anymore and stuff like that. Well, Safir's gone. Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, Mobb Deep just released and is an incredible album. Yeah, but have had all of them, have got that. You know, have got all them files. He had the rails.

We only had what Sefir had. Somebody supposedly had a whole, like a whole Sefier album that never came out. And we had discussed it, me and X, and his brother, Sonny, chop. black, but we couldn't get, because I'm not going to AI, my brother's votes. You know what I'm saying? So if we can't get severe vocals, we can't do it.

I mean, you know, I would love to. I mean, we can rip X-it. I kind of was suggesting that. Like, why don't we just take whole vocals and hooks and build it? But I guess, you know, maybe we will. If the technology gets good enough for it. Maybe there's a time for it. That producer dude that's out there talking to you, whoever you are,

get us, because think about it, back then everybody was doing three verses. So shit, you'd give us one song and we got three songs. Right. So, yeah, give us three Rikers and let us rock. Was that recorded digitally or analog? Back then, I think we were a little bit of both. Okay. I think Pro Tools existed when we were, yeah, because we're talking about like 2001-ish.

Okay. Probably 2002 or so. It was just that transition. We still had the two-inch reels, but I think we were starting to edit in Pro Tools. The ADATs. Yeah, I think we still, because we was over there with Drake, so, you know, he had best of both worlds. What's your favorite album you made?

Or is it like your kids? You can't pick your favorite kids? You know what? I don't, like, I make them, and then I don't listen to them, and then I forget them. What? That sounds like a drink champs episode. Still watch it and we forget them.

I mean, until way later, because I don't want. want to get, you know, like super wrapped up in one thing. I'm always trying to, like, grow. Really, Leopardy's face for me is solo nice, too, to a certain degree.

It's like... It's a great project, man. I told you so is what it is. But I don't have a favorite. Sometimes I listen to shit, like the homie was playing one of my projects, and I was just like, oh, shit, because now, if I ain't listening in a couple of years or 10 years, I'm not

that person. I'm just kind of listening. to some dude saying some shit that I can relate to. So I kind of enjoy that part of it. So I like every record separately for different reasons when I listen to them. Do you think putting out music with the internet and like, you know, being able to download, you think that makes it harder for the artist or is it easier because it's more access? It's all tools, you know. I think it invites people to diminish the work.

that it takes to make one song. You know what I'm saying? Because they can get it so easily. Or, you know, they can stream it for free or, you know what I'm saying, 1099. You got the library of everything. But then on the other side, I would rather hear it than not hear it. So I just look at the tool for what it is. Right. Appreciate it.

And try to, you know, nowadays, you know, we already know. You got to monetize it in other ways. You may not be able to monetize it on the creation of the music. Maybe you could sell the merch. You can platform it, which we always do. You got to platform this shit and the other shit. Most people don't get rich being a rapper. You know what's funny?

I remember having a drop a record. And like for me to get that record to London, I had to physically go to London. Right. Like, you know what I mean? To go to see it at Tim Westwood, to see it. And like, I've never like pictured this game to be like that. Like where you can just press one button and then be all over.

Right. Even recording. I mean, you know, just I never thought I could do a song with somebody, you know what I'm saying, in New York, without being in New York. Yeah, that definitely. Unless they had to ship the ribs, all that shit. The two-inch rail. And what about now seeing your kids doing what they're doing, man? I'm, you know, like I always just say, I'm happy, you know, that they found something they love.

And that thing they love is giving them an opportunity of fair. God, so I'll be happy about it. What would have happened if they were whack? Oh, shit. All right, I want to drink. Can we get them a drink? No, no. I mean, they would have just been whack,

honestly. Real talk. Because you are known for being one of the best liverses in the game. Like, imagine that. Like, it's something going to you and they, and you're, because I heard it at first you said, you told them no at first. Well, I had to tell them no.

Okay. And one thing, like, I want them to tell them. their own story. So, like, you know, that's their narrative. They've really created a career for himself. So, so, so, I'm going to let them speak on it. But in general, if they were whack, all right. They would just be whack.

There's other, look, Jordan's sons are not doing Jordan things. You know what I mean? So it, that's, you know, my, my, I don't know, I'm trying to give a good example. Yeah, whatever. my father can swim good. That's a lot, but I'm just making up shit. Okay. But the point is, if I could not be able to swim.

I might not be able to swim. Everything ain't biological. And everything, you know, some shit you just got to work that on your own. You may, you know, um, did I say I was drinking? You did. I know, I did. You know, you know why I know?

Because that's what we, we do. Sit on your water too, though. We, uh, reanalyzed how to, uh, The show is going to go by what you're drinking. And we know tequila works every time. Like tequila? Is this to kill your side? No, no, no, no, no.

That's the Jameson. Oh, yeah, that's the Jameson. So I see you, now. Oh, just straight up, too. Gangster shit. Yeah, yeah. Okay. How'd you become a whiskey guy? New yitty.

New yitty? New yitty did it. Okay. First of all, I got to represent the West. Uh-huh. So we all started with the boo. We started with Bumpy Face. Oh, I don't even know what that is.

You don't remember Bumpy Face? Not at all, man. You were being a good Joe West Coast kid. I mean, what, like Mad Dog? No, Bumpy Face was the gin. Oh, wow. And it was the bottle was

bumped. Right. Like, it's all fucked up. So we did that. But we're talking about kids' shit. Snoop alludes to it. Gin and juice. Right, right.

So that's when you're like a kid. and we would drink that and then you'd get hungover and then we would drink uh fucking it was a it was cheap-ass like night train and you put kool-aid in there so we did that and basically then it was henny once we finally got some monies i remember whino gave me some hennessee and you drank cisco of course i drank at all i thought it was amazing i loved it it was amazing first when we were kids but not oh yeah never now you look back kind of liquid What the fuck was we doing? Yeah, and then we went through the Hennessy phase.

Hennessy, I called it jail juice. So you were done... I looked up and thought every time... I called Odyssey, look at me, juice. You think everybody is looking at you and start a fight. What would you do? Why are you looking at me? I just knew I ended up in jail.

Like, every time I... No, every time I ended up in jail, there was some Hennessy involved. So I was like, can't do that no more. Went through my vodka phase. And then, yeah. I was somewhere, I was at a bar with like some, there was a whole bunch of fucking Wall Street dudes. Right.

And the Wall Street dude was like, yeah, that's the money drink. And I was like, oh, really? Fuck it. Okay. Yeah, drink Irish, smoke your banking. I'm going to go through a couple of these albums and tell me what you think of when you hear it. Okay. Sold on ice.

True now than it was then. Really? Absolutely. Wow, you think the times have not got better? It's worse. Absolutely is worse. Yeah, that's... Come on, man.

It is, man. Who would have thought it would get worse? Solo Nice is true now. Right, thank you. The things I'm dealing with, you know what I'm talking about, sociopolitical, you know, overt racism, a country that won't own up to its lives, erasing history,

literally taking people out of books and making it illegal, burning books and all that. I always said that that like 90, maybe 91 to like 95 hip hop lyricism was telling us everything that

foreshadowed everything that happened today. Well, I think, you know, the same. I mean, smarter people than I have said, like, you know, what is it? If you don't learn from history you're doing the repeating. Right.

If you keep fucking the same girl that keeps giving you crabs. You're going to get craps. You're going to get crag. Right. I mean, you know, logic prevails. So, yeah, we haven't learned from our past mistakes. And then we get on some... We like to fucking escape.

We like escapeism, music. We like to do escapism shit. So we're doomed to repeat it. And then, again, America likes to fucking... That never happened. You know what I'm saying? It's never happened. We didn't do anything to you guys. You guys are just... tripping. Why you're bringing up old shit? That's what

America likes to do. They're bringing up bullshit. Right. Okay. Blasphemy. Blasphemy? Ooh, hypocrisy. Only reason why is because the album was actually called... I really love that album. My own boy Curtis Daniel would say

his favorite produced album. So, you know, shouts out to Apollo Brown. But the name of the album was really called, I came up with that title when I was in prison, but that wasn't a title. The title was called How to Kill God.

That was the name of the house. Yeah, that was called. Right, it's real controversial. Not marketable at all. Yes, it is. Because guess what? It's not a how-to manual, thing. I'm just saying, like, so the metaphor was... It's not the anarchist cookbook. Right, yeah. No, the metaphor was

how do you kill God? Well, God is love, right? God created everything. So, if you go kick a fucking cat, You killing God, you know, you hurting God, you know, something that God created, one of God's creation. So how to kill God is being a dick, being fucked up, being the sexist, being a racist, being a bitch-ass nigger. All that shit is how to kill God. So when I did it, the ironic part is I didn't say how to kill Allah or how to kill Buddha or all the shit because America. And that's why I said it's hypocrisy is if I would have said how to kill Allah, how to kill Buddha, or how to kill Yahweh, Apple and iTunes would have said, cool.

Spotify would say cool. Because they identify that with European God. That's why they said no. It's like absolutely not. So then we called it blasphemy because they're being blasphemous. So that's what I think of. Okay. Either die.

That's when I'm on the run. Okay. So that's what I realize this company is against me. And I'm at the sink or swim. So yeah, I just think of like, fucking my back was against the wall. I was upset. I was mad. And fuck it.

I'm going to have to eat or I'm going to die. I got to figure this shit out. And we've got to go back because I know you've talked about it in length, but just for the sake of this show, I want you to go back later on. Okay, absolutely. Okay. Solo on ice, too. Hmm.

I feel like it was slept. I mean, well, I always get slept down. I think it was just a great follow-up, and I wasn't trying to make a solo night's two. Let me turn his phone off. I was trying to make something else, which is normally how these records happen. And then I just felt like, five records in, I was like, I'm making something that is an extension of the first one. So I feel, I feel like I did that and, what it was at, like, whatever, our 2020-threed solo nights,

updated production-wise or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Adidas. All day, I dream about spitting. My only double album, shouts out to Redmatic. And what do I think about it? Yeah, I feel like it was my only double album,

which I never felt like I don't be having the bandwidth for that shit. So I don't know who listened to it because there's a lot of listening. How did Adidas not get at you if the Golden State Warriors got that shit? Well, they always say, if somebody contacts you, then you already did your job. So that means I didn't do my job. Adidas is like, I fuck this guy. Before Killer Mike's Adidas? I think so.

Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, if they don't hit you, here, I'll give you a prime example. And I get the flex a little bit. This is a good flex. So when I'm working on this album, Rassassassination, I'm with Dre and I'm playing my intro.

The whole intro is kind of basically what we're in. Like there's this dude that's kind of like a fascist. he's a dictator and it's no dogs or niggers allowed and out of that. And we're operation, we got to get rid of this fascist ruler of America, right? Right. And but before that starts, it uses, because we remember the VHS tapes and it would be like, and now our feature presentation. Right.

So I play it for Dre. Now we put all the sonics on and it goes, boom, our feature presentation. My record comes out, crickets. Right. He uses the THX sound. But that shit goes diamond. The niggas came a knocking. So the whole point is,

I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission. You just do this shit. If it pop, it, then they can come get out, you know, get your money. I'm never mad at that. Okay. I mean, that can't backfire sometimes. Well, no, I've never really watched it backfire.

I'll give you another example. But he made the money already. He still works. In the long run, it did work out, I would say. It works. What's his name did it? MasterP's son. Daylon suffered with the sample stuff. But their records sold already.

You can't tell a nigga he can't perform the records. Right, right. You just say I want all the publishing. So what? All right. It's just not all. Little Romeo, I'm telling you, Master Pete did it. I watched it in real time. I watched Master P. There was three littles back then. Little bow wow. All these little ass niggas. Little

bow wow, Lil Romeo, and Luzane. This is before the onset of the youngs and the babies. Niggas was little first, then it became young, niggas. Baby, now a nigger gonna be Zygote, whatever the fuck. So, little, I remember, Romeo Pops, whose Master P, because two was on my label, was on priority records.

So Lil Zane just came off the 112 record on the boat, you know what I'm saying, platinum. Little bywows with Jermaine DePree and Romeo, Master P wants to sample the Jackson record, priority records, the bean counters, the execs, like, never in life. He's like, fuck you. He got his own money.

Was he on priority? Well, yeah, that's what he had to deal with it, but they're still the execs. But he's like, I don't give a fuck. MasterP says, I want to put my son out, and he shoots the video, puts out, manufactures, whatever, puts the record out, Uncle Jackson say, fuck you,

I'm taking 100% of that record. It don't matter. The record goal, the son has a career. He's still touring. Then he gets on. on the Disney channel, wherever the fuck it is.

So I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission. A motherfucker's going out tell you everything that can't go right until you just show them that it went right and here's your bread.

Fuck it, I'd rather pay a nigga off and let them get 100% of something than have 100% of nothing. All right. Surreal. I still think it's a give and take. Yeah.

You don't want to... You haven't given me an example. I'm just saying, think about some people inspired by you. You know what, fuck that. I'm going to take that shit And I'll ask for, you know, for forgiveness later

I'm just saying for any scenario. It doesn't not, maybe not just music. Well, yeah, maybe with, I mean, it's certain, like, I think like, I forgot who it was. It was like one of the video game people where they're going to shut you down immediately. But, and this music shit, fuck it. It's about that.

That's how it was with the mixtape game. That's what sampling is. That's a good. I had a lawyer that were like, yo, you can't do this. I said, ah, whatever. Right. And we went out and I got the season desist, you know what I'm saying? Right.

But it's too late. You can't put the two face. back in the tube, bro. Get that shit out there. If it's fire, it's fire. And then lie and say, you know what? I didn't do it. I'll just blame Boris.

That part, yeah. Is it true when David Banner used to be roommates? Yes. How the hell does this house on work? Y'all have to rap. You're all right? How does that housework? Man, I love Banner, bro.

So this is this Crooked Lettus Banner? he lost the deal. This is right after Crooked Letters. Wow. Matter of fact, when you was on the record. I was on the record, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was, Firewater, right?

Ryanwater, yep. Exactly. So, the single pops, whatever, whatever the label doesn't feel like the album, whatever, he lost the deal. Little do, I, me, I got the,

Ghetto Fabbler shit. I got the Drake record. They fumbled a whole record. The money's running out. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm not going to be broke in L.A. Because then they're going to say I smoke crack. All right. If you see a broke that you saw on TV

and you don't see him looking okay, he's smoked out. You know what I'm saying? That's the assumption. So I'm like, fuck it. What is... It's... The motivation... This is...

I know. I do. I think like an awful stupid person, but I'm just telling me my truth. I'm like, I don't want to go to Atlanta because there are some people I was upset with. So I'm like, where else can I go? And you got to remember this a little bit pre-internet. So I call Wendy. Wendy Day, you know what I'm saying?

Shout out to Wendy. Shout out to Wendy. And Wendy's like, well, we got you. You can come over here and, you know, figure it out. I'm like, fuck rap. I don't want to rap. You know what I'm saying? You know what I was fucked my whole career up, doomed.

And where I get there, it's another nigga on another couch. It was banner. Oh, wow. Yeah, man. So we rocked out, man. I actually have a videotape because I had a camcorder. Dating myself. And one day we went to the club.

Because her roommates threw all of dope parties in New York, like life, all the fly shit. But one night we went to like life or something like that. And then he didn't feel love for it. Like he was just, you know, depressed. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like maybe my career's over.

And I remember I got back a couple of hours. hours later, he was like sitting in the stairwell. He was like, man, I hope he'll mind. I used your camera and shit. I was like, man, it's cool, bro. I went back and looked at it. He was like, nigger, my shit fucked up. My career fucked up.

But my name David Banner, I'm going to be somebody. And the nigger did his stuff. So I actually got that tape. And I got to find it for him because it's inspiring to watch somebody at a day low is, you know, re-up. And then we did a record. We did a record. We got the studio.

and Mobb Deep was next door. This is in New York. Yeah, this is in New York. Yeah, we stand in New York. We stand on like 33rd and 3rd. Okay. So we're super nice building. We fly.

Well, we ain't fly. We needn't fly. We're niggins on the couch. We brother man from the second floor. Okay. The fifth floor or whatever it was. But they were next door working on, I think it was murder music. Anyway, I'm forgetting what year.

but we're doing this record because I remember P and Hav was like, whatever, as they didn't know David, I introduced David. They was like, you know, niggas be nosy. Walk in, look, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, that shit crazy. And they walk in and listen to ours. We had sampled, uh,

Entertain us, here we go now. Nirvana. And I remember the niggas just looking like, what the fuck is this shit? But then Banner ended up using it on the mixtape that popped them out, you know what I'm saying? That did well for them. I think the song was called.

spas out. But we, you know, we was working, man. We worked. That's crazy, man. That's a sitcom. That's a sitcom. He sent me a new record. That was a sitcom. And I was out there acting up, but I ain't go out. You would see me out. Yeah, that's right. I watched that out of banner. He sent me a record with him and Absold.

I don't know if he's put it out yet, but he's always, and it's crazy. Yeah, who else got? Did he say it to you? Did he say it to you? I got a record with Absole on my. Yeah. Yeah. Shameless plug. Yeah. Rast Casper's it. Oh, that was the re-up.

Storm, I want to get him in trouble. Storm that manages Bob Dee. Oh, yeah. Or having now. But used to manage Bob Dee. Yeah. Manages me, too. And that was the first time for that project.

Somebody had got me a honeycade socket to my pocket in my pocket. That was my first, my honey check outside of my record deal. Wow. So I always think of that. Like, thank you, Storm. So salute the Storm. Perfect management. The Yellow Snow EP.

Oh, that's funny. That's my homeboy Rubio. Doc Hollywood, was the name of the group. The Yellow Snow EP was, I like doing, like, what they call them, ugly sweater. Like, I like taking holidays and flipping them upside down. So the Yellow Snow EP was me taking Christmas songs and, like, shitting on Christmas.

Oh, it's not about pee? Well, yellow snow is tea. Okay, I agree. The saying is, don't eat the yellow snow. Yeah, if you eat the yellow snow, it's the pee. Yeah. Oh, God. It's like, don't eat the snow in Harlem.

Like, if it's getting down there, it's going to be some cracks in there. So what's bringing me to Christmas? Chris, was that a same play on the holiday? Yeah, Christmas? Yeah. That's just the extension. I took the yellow snow EP and just every couple of years I add a new song and I give it out around Christmas. So I just, yeah, Chris Mess, M-E-S-S.

It's just the ugly sweater thing. It's just me taking Christmas and I did like a dreidel song. You know what I'm saying? I just do. Who haven't I attacked yet? I have to do, what was the black one? Quanza? Quanza.

I have the guy to do a Kwanza. You can't make, you can't do that. I can't. No, no, no, let me, leave Kwanza out of this. Ah. Like, I got to be equal opportunity. I'm messing with Christmas and I'm messing with Hanukkah. I got to mess with everybody.

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90. Musically or just living? Either way. I would say music. That ain't fair. It's always fire shit. But, you know, before I got to deal with Superfund, because I got to watch other people.

I was a fly on the wall, being around like Wino and Coolio and meeting, you know, premiere and, you know, Gangstar and MOP and just, you know, I'm saying, bumpy. Just whatever. Right. Just being that guy. And then coincidentally meeting my peers, you know what I'm saying, you know, the warlocks going on to be the locks and so-and-so, just meeting all these other dope.

people. That part of it was fun. I definitely have enjoyed, even today. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm in a very small group of people, of what I think are, like, elite MCs, producers, you know what I'm saying, artists. And a lot of us have encountered and kicked it and done

shit and traveled the world together. So for me, that part, it's always fun. It's been a lot of peaks in valleys. Damn, probably way more valleys than anything. But this shit is fun, man, for me. You still have fun doing it? I have a fucking blast. All I want is the same bag as the fun.

That's the fun that we're turning to the bag. If I get the bag, I'm really out of here, nigga. I will make a nigga. Me and Blue used to say that, my little stupid cousin. Blue DaVinci. But yeah, you know what I'm saying? I make fucking, I make wood look like gold. Nigger, let me go.

Let me get about 3.5 million, you will see a nigger take over the planet. All right. Speaking of Blue Da Vinci, were you, like, what was your interaction with that BMF movement? Shit, I was there from the onset. Yeah, I was there. First of all, I'm being as frank as I can.

We met Blue was Blue's my second mic I never called him Hyde Band So Blue was my second mic And Blue is grew up in the same neighborhood As Wino and whatever

So Who was Culeo's producer The DJ Yeah recipe's coolio So Blues with me We got another cousin S-class He's from Englewood

So blues from Carson 1-9-9 That's what you phone's crossing, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And DJ Poole loved Blue. So, Poole, because Blue's funny. The nigga got jokes.

Y'all remember Gobby and Nelson? Yeah, actually. Yeah, loud. Yeah. I worked through them with marketing stuff. So, Gopby's the only other nigga, well, the only nigga I ever seen in real life shut up Blue. Gabby talked Blue into a circle with, like, bagging on niggas.

So anyway, Poole loved Blue because he was funny. He could shoot jokes. This street dude, but he's a comedian. He's funny. And so Poo loved him and started putting him in movies, three strikes, this, down the third. So really, Meach and them went to Poo. And that's how we met Meach in them.

We met Meach and them because Poole was like, okay, we'll have Blue be the artist. And then... Was he the first artist? So that was the place. The plan changed. The original plan was pool, quarterbacks, and then Blue and me come in. That got switched, and I meet you eventually.

I remember the nigga asked me, how much to get you out your deal, and he was dead serious. It was like, yo, if we give priority a million dollars, you know what I'm saying? Well, they let you go. And I was like, bro, I don't even know if I want to be in debt to a nigger for a million dollars. I remember I was like, I'm opting out. You know what I'm going? Because then it was going to be me running it and blew the artist. And what really happened is blue took all the mantles.

I opted out. I can't speak on what happened with Poo and Meach. Because I don't know exactly. It's just one minute that was the play. Then the play switched. I opted out of the play. The hood came into it, which is great. Meach and it was rich already.

BMF was BMF. Right. But the music was not a factor. And, you know, like I said, I'll say as much as I can without, you know, whatever. For sure. Yeah, but I would say this. I sent them to Atlanta. It wasn't none of their fucking ideas.

We got patchworks. Okay. So if you come to L.A., why would you go to Atlanta? So it was my idea to, like, take it to Atlanta. Because L.A., niggas is going to be trying to figure out where y'all getting this money from. Who is y'all niggas? and then niggas gonna start running in, trying to shoot up shit.

First, you're gonna start as a homie, which is the extortion bit that happens the most rap niggas that go out talking tough shit in L.A. You're gonna get extorted. And the X-1 thing really is just gonna come on your helmet and the third wave is they send a bitch at you. She's gonna get you some pussy,

and then she's gonna lock the door one day. And that's happening to niggas too in L.A. So what you don't want to do is be out there looking like, you know, that's anywhere, though. Don't come out looking like steak. You know what I'm saying? and a whole bunch of starving parvo wolves and shit. And you like, oh, look on my fucking bloody state tree.

Okay, nigga, I'm come get you. So my last suggestion was take that shit. My quote was, take it to the Walties. I was like, go out with the Walties, take that shit to Atlanta. Because these niggas is already asking questions. There was a whole bunch of other shit happening that, like I said, I don't want to speak on. And so they went to Atlanta, and then fast forward two years later, I'm getting the report card. And it was not good.

I was in the pen already. Like, geez, he did this. So and so they beat up. I'm like, bro, you cannot be. Can't throw after parties after, you know, not guilty verdicts and shit with elephants. I was like, don't do it. You bring him out of the fence.

It was a lot of shenanigans. Great. So you were in when that was started poplar. Yeah. Yeah. Go there. I see them. And then I go to New York.

and then I have to go to Vegas. I get locked up in Vegas. And fast forward by 2003 is four. I'm getting the report card of the shenanigans. And I'm like, don't do the shenanigans. First of all, you can't put a billboard when you're leaving the airport, when you go into the airport and leaving it in front of Jermaine DePree and says, the world is BMS.

I'm like, you ain't put on no music. What the fuck is the music? They got to sell a hot dog or something. They can do something. thingas cannot explain, you know, whatever, but they went for it. Ultimately, at the end of the day, I always want

Meach, like I said, my other cousin and the gang of my homies were in our BMF, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, the worst part is that there's a lot of money. Said black people back by 25 years.

That was a lot of fucking money. And not having those relationships, you know, those people not having a relationship. And I'm not mad at fifth, but you know what I'm saying? Like, that wasn't supposed to be a documentary. That's supposed to just be, you know, other people keep it together and get the bag. And we couldn't keep it together or they couldn't keep it together. But that was a poor execution of a fucking amazing opportunity. I could have paid a lot of people. So I always, I look at it like, damn, Fifth, Phil got a documentary and a TV show out of it. But that shit was supposed to be incredible.

How did you avoid gang banging being from where you're from? I don't think you avoid it. Right. I just, anybody that tells you you have to step into a gang is a fucking liar. Right. You know what I mean? Like, we're all, we all grow up somewhere. So I always, I always liking it to, like, like, the Kendrick skit.

Because I think his, it's so visceral, I relive that shit. Like, on the good kid Mad City shit where he's just like, Where your mama from? Where your grandmama from? Like, that's L.A. Like, you're going to get pressed if somebody, especially if you stick out like a sword thumb, somebody's going to be like,

why are you over here? Right. I mean? And as far as just growing up in a neighborhood, you don't have to do shit. It's a basketball, nigga. Think about it on the block. Like anywhere, Brooklyn,

fucking Florida, Miami, you know, anywhere that you're at, it's a comedy dude. Is somebody that's funny on your block? it's somebody who play basketball. It's a real straight-laced dude. There might be the police. He might be a crooked cop,

but it's a straight-laced dude. It's the one that all the girls like. You know what I'm saying? It's like the pretty boy nigger that all the girls like. It's usually a gay nigger, too. It's just all these different people. So that's a regular street in L.A.

What they did was they created this narrative that in L.A. you had to do it. That's what we thought. Yeah. It sells good. sales and it's great and boys in the hood, but that's actors. And some of them niggas ain't even from L.A. A lot of them are from New York.

And so that's this narrative that you're forced. The times I would assume you'd be forced to a, and you're not even forced, is because your pops, and not that he forced you. It's just you associate or your older brother. So I know a lot of people who stepped in because they bro did. You know what I'm saying? Or their father was.

So it's like, I'm, this is common. second angel, but nobody, when you're like 10 says, you gotta do it. Nobody never says that shit. I ain't gonna lie to you. Being an outsider. Is it okay, then? That's just the fun. It is. I would assume

until it ain't. Yeah, like, when I used to see like NWA and like they rock in an ice, like, oh shit, that's just was, that was so different to us. Gangsters and black. There is no, you know. They were, they were they're a construct, they're a concept.

And I'm not disrespecting them. I'm just saying there are gangs. You wear the wrong... He was a Crip, right? Yeah, he was. You know what I'm saying? But he didn't rip it though like that. Right. I mean, on to the public. Right. Right.

More people started stepping in just saying like cuss and blood. Like the young thing is really outside. And then we got a third factor. We got South Siders. We got Mexicans. And that's a whole different factor. So this whole gang shit,

my fuckers got it's got it fucked up. Like it's just Bloods and Crips. You got these South Siders and they don't want you around there. And they are, they hopping out, we cage on niggins. You don't think the most overt version of, like, putting it out there was banging on wax? I feel like that's the first time. Well, that was the overt, right, you know?

But here's the rub on that. If I'm correct, there's only two people alive from banging on wax. Wow. Yeah, it was overt, and guess what? Now you're the target. Right. Nobody survived that except for two people that I know of. I don't even say their names.

It's only two people alive. And one of them had a pseudonym when he was on banging a wax. He didn't go by his real name. Because who would have been doing it before that? Maybe Comptonville's wanted maybe? Well, I mean, there were people making, so some of these records that came out that would eventually become legendary rap albums started off as like hood demos that they would sell at the swap meet. So I recall one in particular where the artist is gang. He talking about where he's from.

He talked about killing the enemies, the ops, all that. But when he sanitized it by the time he got a major record deal. Gotcha. But not that L.A. And L.A. Bloods and Crips loved it. And the South Siders, the Mexicans loved it, too. But by the time he came out the mainstream, he made it a lot more digestible

by not putting out, like, I'm from this hood, and I killed those particular people. Yeah, it's the lifestyle is, Trust me, I got friends that was gang members before we met, you know, prisoners and some lifers after. Totally good people.

I'm not knocking that. It's just it's not really, for me, I never wanted to. I didn't step in. So what I remember telling in the studio one time, a dude, you know, early on said, like, you may have to put on the suit, like to sell the records. You know what I'm saying? Like, put on the khaki suit and get to crickwalk. And I remember I said, this was sometime around this time, around like 97-inch, 98-ish. But I remember I just said, bro, I'm from, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I forgot out of crib walk. Because if you, if you're not a crib, then don't crib walk. So when you grow up in the neighborhood where people crib walk, you crib walk. And as sure as I'm rest assured that if you go up in a blood neighborhood, you be walking. You know what I'm saying? But if you don't become a blood, stop be walking. because you only creating a problem for yourself. And now you may not have a homie's in the burner and the backup.

So you don't do it. So I have forgotten how to cripple because I decided. I said the dumbest thing when they asked me to step into the hood. They said, baby John, because I wasn't rasked. They said, baby John, you're going to see from the hood? And then I said, yeah, how much y'all pay in an hour? And then the niggas laughed at me. And they said, fuck it out.

It's just my baby job. And that was it. And I continued my life in the hood and had a great time. So, yeah, they never force. They never force you, man. I've never seen nobody force. Most people jump in because they broke so you want to sell dope. Okay.

So you need somebody to front you some dope and you need some protection while you... And where you're going to sell a dope back? You can't go down the block to somebody else's neighborhood selling dope. Yeah. So you need a location to get on your phone. feet. Help your mama, whatever your situation is. The other one is, you already grandfathered in, and the last one is

something fucked up happened and you're mad. You want to get some get back. And there's a fourth. It is cool to a certain degree the girls like gangsters. Right. You know what I'm saying? So the girls like the digger and the lowrider and the homie's love, you know what I'm saying? You got his tats and all that. So some of it, niggers do anything for some vagina.

All right. Yeah. I didn't understand LA politics. At first when I first went, I would go to any hood. Like, wherever they said there was at, like, sign autographs or do we tell, you know, we used to have to do that. It wasn't until I started hanging

with other L.A. people there. It was like, what you're doing is not normal. And I'm like, what? Like, I would go to Slawson, um, uh, uh, sauceing, uh, sauce and, yeah, I would go there and people

would be like, what is wrong with you? Like, and I didn't know that. But one thing I do know, know is like when a person asked where you from, like my accent is so heavy. I was going to say. That, like, I've never had, like, as soon as I say to me, where you from? And I say,

they're like, ah, this is here. Definitely not from here. And that's the nicest thing I can say about L.A. They do not they hunt each other. Like, L.A. hunts his own. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Like, they'll figure it out, like, dude ain't from here. You can tell by the way

I walk. Like, like, I can look, I can now physically look at somebody and be like, he's from LA. You know what I'm saying? And it's crazy because, you know, we were wearing the Yankee hat. Right. Which was...

Which is a neighbor. They're like, you went to that neighbor. Neighbors. They're corrupt saying that. Neighbors. And so, yeah, the Yankee had his neighbors. There's like for every,

damn there for every fucking hat. Yeah, they told me. That's wild, man. So that can just get you in trouble. Right. See, my friend Tito. He's not... Shout on Tito.

He wears whatever hat, though. But not in any hood. He knows. He knows the lay of the land. Yeah. What's funny is like even specifically, like, Compton people don't wear L.A. hats. Long Beach. Like, everybody, like, just the best way to explain L.A. to me is, like, New York has boroughs.

And within your boroughs, you got, you know, left-wrack city. You got, you know, whatever. You got all these different places. We got, like, 52 boroughs. L.A. is like New York, but 52 boroughs. Like, Gardena's. Gardena. You know what I'm saying? Long Beach is a long beach. You know what I'm saying? There's a Compton and a Bombton. You know what I'm saying? And they coexist.

You know what I'm saying? We got the west side. You know what I'm saying? Then you got the east side, which is Watts. Then you got even further east. And watch is the whole city, right? Compton is his own city. Yeah. So it's not like our counties, right? Right. Or it is like, oh, it's not L.A. County. It's a L.A. County. Yeah. It's a pretty even county. It's not even the biggest one. California's biggest fluff. Yeah. But yeah, our shit is, even Hollywood and the valley is still L.A. County.

Right. Yeah. But I was just saying, like, it may be the easiest way. So when people think, like, Compton, Long Beach, like, it's not this unified place. It's a whole bunch of different. They don't wear the same clothes

and somebody's being not helpful to me. I'm trying to shit up. I know I do got on the doorbell. Hello. Yeah. Yeah, like literally tribal. So your hat could be a problem.

Yeah. Obviously your colors. All right. And then your color. Yeah. You go to East. Bro. It's places, I remember one time we were,

this is past, this is past, your geography is worse than mine. But that's San P. So San Pedro, like if you went south of C.R.son, so Compton, Carson, Wilmington, in his place called San Pedro. It was right by the water, like, you know what I'm saying? And it's predominantly Mexican. Predominantly South Siders. Okay.

And remember we went to a party and it was like, you know, some Mexican girls, like a couple of, you know, Mexican homeboys, uh, me. And our homeboy, J-211, he's a white boy. I remember this is two of one of Mexico, he's like, we should go. He's like, why? He was like, because they were discussing who to kill you or the widow. Jesus. Whoa.

So sometimes they're tripping like, why is this thing over here? All right. Why does white dude over? Like, we be tripping, man. I mean, I think we've gotten a lot better. Right. But, yeah, so there's a politics, there's a racial issue. Think about it.

New York is built up. so y'all got the same amount of people but you guys are built up. So you're almost forced to deal with people we got enough space to be an asshole. Yeah, but that's why New York is our asshole too, because we, like, the same thing that's good about it. They got the compression can

Right. In the 90s, right? I was dating this girl in L.A. I love this story. You know the story? You know the story? I don't know this story. And so I was,

like, you know, she would always come meet me. So I was like, you know, one time, like, let me go to your neighborhood. She was like, no. And I was like, what? I didn't understand the politics. To me, Puerto Rican and Mexican is the same. And she put her thing down. She did the whistle? No, no.

She put her lips at. So she had. So, like, basically, I belong to the hood. I was like, oh, my God. Like, forced me to say, no, no, no, no. You can't come to my neighborhood. I was like, oh, I want to come around. And I remember that shit, that shit hit me.

And I was like, damn, I've been kissing this bitch. She's on the street. She was on the street. Basically, basically. I was like, that's when I started to know. Oh, LA, you know, because at first, right. We're thinking everywhere is just like the same people everywhere. But when you start to know that, that politics is real.

But I got to admire you for that because it's like so easy to go that route. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like the fact that you stay like, because you ain't never want to at one point Like I said, man, I asked. You asked? I asked Battlecat. It was like 2000, son.

I was like, bro. Because you signed a Battlecat, right? No, he discovered us. Okay. Me and my own way bird. But, you know, the West was popping. I was like, and my label was looking at me like, what's wrong with you?

I'm like, nothing, nigger. I'm good at what I do. But I remember I asked cat, I was like, So what would you do if I came back tomorrow, a little khaki soup, little chucks, get to crickens off cut with the homies on down the street. All right. He's like, selling you practiced that one. No, I did not. That's just the prototype of like the West Coast meat and the homies all time, homie.

That's the stereo. But, yeah, he was like, I'd be. You know, he's like, I would scratch my head because that's just not who you've been. And I'm a Watts baby, you know what I'm saying? I grew up in 9-7 East Coast Watch, break street, you know what I'm saying? Me and Spider, the one that was on the G-Unit. I know his older brother, Martel, like, I am who I am.

I just never wanted to be something I wasn't. So for me, you know, some people lead into that and lean into it a little bit more than they really should. And that's cool. It's got a lot of people a lot of money. If I didn't, I don't even think I look right with it. Like, I did it in the video, but the video didn't really come out. I did a song with Big Rock called Back It Up, and I'm actually in a khaki suit, but I reverse take all that bullshit off.

And then I just wear myself. But, yeah, you know. Well, if you had, like you said, you had a choice. But if you had no choice, which gang would you be closer to the bloods of the crew? What kind of question? I wouldn't have a choice. I grew up in a crib neighborhood. Okay.

Of course, I would have stepped in as a crib. Okay. Okay, let's get off the The game-stereatical side of the West Coast. But the scene that kind of helped birth you in that really deep hip-hop scene in L.A., like the scene that you come from at least. Right.

Because I'm sure there's the scene even before the Ice T and all these guys were part of it. And they're legendary. What was that one club that everybody was coming out of that was like, oh, what was that? You're talking about freestyle fellowship and all of them, The Good Life? Yeah.

Talk about The Good Life. Was that it? Yeah, the Good Life. Or the one that even all the Liquid crew and all these guys were Unity. That's the one. So Unity was the club.

You probably would know about. I don't remember the name of the club. If you performed in L.A. back then, you performed at Unity. So Unity was a club, rest of peace, Bigger Bee, through, and Bigger Bee worked at Low. Okay.

So him and Orlando, I'd be remiss because Biggerby, rest of peace, Orlando's still alive. So they threw a club in L.A. Is it downtown? Mm-hmm. Yeah. But it moved a few times, but it was always Unity.

So Unity was, first of all, you wasn't, when nobody really getting no daytime radio. So it was kind of like the wake-up show was your one-shot. At this point, it was only the wake-up show. It was Sway and Tech.

Before that, it was Mike Nardone and King Ams. And then they closed, they show off. Julio-G wasn't on? Oh, I'm sorry. Gotta give Julio-G his props. Yeah, yeah. Julio-G was setting it off. He's actually before.

Yeah, he's like with K-Day and the Mix Masters, Julio-J. and then they kind of folded all that stuff and then the next, I would say the next era of rap radio became thank you for giving me that too. Little Julio G. But then it became

unity. That was like the only outlet to perform. So yeah, yeah, that's where everybody like that's the first time I ever got a show. I opened up. I had a demo, I had a white label record called Remain Anonymous, Won't Catch Me Running. It got some support on college

radio and all that. And then I got booked and they gave me some money and I was like, I'm all in. Because I was just fanning. I was a fan. And I didn't know people really did get, but I didn't think I was going to get some money

for rapping. I did the show. But yeah, that was like the Biggie, the first shows, Biggie did the first shows like Wu-Tang because he had loud. So, my, B, but everybody that was coming to, LA, if you wasn't, if you wasn't like Cool J, Salt and Pepper, or some shit like that.

And for new artists, you was doing unity. Wow. Because I like to bring that up because we talk about all the gangbanging side, but just like I say about Miami, like we had a thriving hip-hop scene with B-boys, B-Groo. I made it. Miami-Life. Turntableist.

But we got to talk about that too. But L.A. has the illest turntable list. The L.S. B-Boys and B-Gre with the graffiti scene is crazy. So it had all those elements that was a big part of the L.A. scene. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. We definitely had a great scene And a lot of the people Still have, you know

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not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I wanted to also add on to that is that hip hop for us, we saw the beach streets and the crush grooves, and we started doing it literally. So a lot of my friends and how I even met most of my friends was because they had bopper clubs. So the teeny boppers Like you know what I'm saying?

Like you couldn't be 21 You had to be younger than 21 And they had one in Long Beach Whatever so while we started You know like break dancing Like we were they called it housing in L.A. So we was dancing and breaking I was trying to rap

But like Far Side and the Licks and all these people Like that's where we were meeting at these Vopper clubs you know what I'm saying And that's how we met So and so from 18th Street and so and so from East, East L.A. You know what I'm saying? Because he might tag

and he might also DJ and that's how we was getting in each other's hood. So if it wasn't for the culture, L.A. would probably be the wild fucking West because that's how we got to know each other. And honestly, if you tell the truth,

if you go to a lot of hip-pop clubs, fuck it. I'll tell the truth, Shane the devil. It'd be majority of Lee Mexican. They really support hip-hop shit. You know what I'm saying? Niggas be on some fucking 45-year-old nigger

trying to, you know, act like he's blue-faced. Like, nigga, grow the fuck up. Right. Take them tired-ass pants off, nigga, that tight-ass shirt. But now the culture is really like, it's being, hip-hop rap music was so influential in L.A. It helped us get to know each other because we're spread out. And it stopped people from shooting their shit out of each other for a long time, for real.

Like, because motherfuckers was like, oh, they'd be breakdancing in New York. Maybe we shouldn't, you know, shouldn't shoot. For real, that shit was, that's how crazy. And then we influenced y'all in the negative way and they can start gangbagger. The world. Yeah, the whole fucking. We get good weed. Thank God for that.

Great week. We got y'all great week. Great weed. You still on the albums? Yeah. Engangered lyricist. Engangered lyric. Oh.

Engageed lyricist. It was just more of a... I just called them projects. I was just making some shit because band camp. So I was just like kind of coming up with something. It was like a series. It would be like an original record and then kind of me picking.

Like mixtape shit. Because I think I had a volume one, two, and three. Okay. And I was doing this campaign called Save the Razzcast. And I thought that was funny. Do you think you get to respect and hip hop you deserve? I get... I think I've been blessed.

I'm super respected. by my peers. I want to be respected at the fucking bank. Right. Because your peers definitely respect. Yeah.

Yeah, my peers respect me. I don't think the, I don't think the, the greater audience is just fans. They only know what they hear a lot. Right.

And that's no disrespect to them. You know what I'm saying? They're consumers. I'm a connoisseur. So consumers just know like McDonald's. And I always tell people like, McDonald's don't make the best burger,

but that motherfucker's in the mall. That motherfucker's at the airport. down the street. So I get it, but I'm not the McDonald's of rap. You know what I'm saying? I'm that mom and pop store. I should fire. I should be charged a thousand bribe.

You know you know. But no, I want the McDonald's money. So they've got to figure out how of them to fucking bury each other. Right. Do you get used to yourself, an underground seat? No. I think that's a term they put on people that didn't sell records. The only difference between me and Jay-Z is a million records. The only difference between me and them and they're.

is a million records. That's it. Because the lyricism is the same. Can rap no better or no worse. Amazing talent. Marketable as fuck. Look at this beautiful young man. So, you know what I'm saying?

So, no, underground is just what they call niggas that ain't sold the records. And the funnier part is I wouldn't be underground. If I sold a million dollars, if I made a quote, quote-unquote made a million dollars

and got the quote bag selling used condoms my own used condoms motherfuckers would buy my records she was like oh my god he's so hot you know what I'm saying people are fucking reactive in monkeys so all that underground shit is just

what niggas try to it's like this fucked up jacket they try to put on niggas because they didn't sell records meanwhile them same niggas when they didn't sell no records right you know me right they just like when you niggas get on and then be like

oh he's underground I'm the guy Get the fuck out of here. That's the same shit I hate with rap niggas that as soon as they get on, they start trying to compare themselves with whoever is popular. Right. And you're like, well, you know what I'm saying?

So who the best? Me. You know what I'm saying? Like me, Kendrick. You know, me and Kendrick. You're weird ass, nigga. Fuck out of here. Right.

Niggas always do that goofy shit. You mean, Cole. You know. I'm about to say, I was going to say, J. Cole. That's crazy. Yeah, I think of cornball for that shit. So, no, I'm just, the only.

difference between me is a me and anybody is a million sold because all lies on me then all lies on me I can carry the same way and I get the same opportunities my whole shit is like fuck

underground and all that shit skill set this shit ain't called what bitch you dating it shit ain't called what other businesses you got the shit called rap rap is the only thing where niggas tell you you too good at it I've never heard a niggas say Jordan dumped too much.

The guy I was dunking all the time. The fuck is wrong with these niggins. So literally, they drove the car too fast in the F1. That niggum was... The fuck? It's the corniest shit ever. Like, niggas need to stop. I'm talking to you.

All you niggins are up there. You talk to them. Stop that cool, that shit. I said corny, bro. How you overwrap. And nigger, that just means I'm better than you. That's all I mean. I was just about to say that.

I think that's what it is. The thing that... Like, do you think you're smarter than the audience? Because, like... I mean, my body language already gave that away. But should the artist be

better than the audience is listening to an extent? No, they told me never to think... Don't talk down to my audience. So I never have. You can inspire you. My assumption was that these people selling you

fuck shit and I'm trying to sell you some real shit and I've always tried to tell my audience that, hey, I'm talking to you some real shit. And then my audience said, you know what, I like this fuck shit. All right. That ain't my fault. But yeah, of course, that can make you disillusioned

with the business. Again, these people are consumers. They're not connoisseurs. You know what I'm saying? So they know McDonald's. I can't get mad because the kid is like, I'm learning a happy meal. They want what the fuck they want. They've been trained that way. Could you imagine

people who like rock saying Springsteen? Where the where the drummer and the guitarist are all novice just like the audience that would be the craziest music. Bro, it'd be awful. That's why we listen to awful rap. Come on, man. A lot of these people sound

like they went in with no metronome and just said some shit. And then the niggas just played a beat at whatever. They just like spent the will and picked the tempo. Yes. Just trash. And everybody's playing political fucking reindeer game trying to act like it's cool

because somebody puts some money behind it. dumb is we are living in you remember that movie what's that fuck idiocacy it's got electroly it's got an idiosicry

you know we definitely are I can't believe you know about that movie that's one of my favorite movie you know what's crazy they didn't put it out because they thought

it was too dumb that people wouldn't get it and then they were right idiotic then they didn't put it out keep that thought but we need to do screenings of that movie today

right Oh, God. Bro, for real. Like, idiot. And think about the president and everything. Bro. Your phone is called a smart phone, but your phone is actually making you dumb. Like, I remember, like, you know, like, happened to make a call.

I just have to remember the number. Facts. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, right now, I don't know nobody's number. We knew addresses. We knew names. That's really bad because I do remember that. It made us less, use the shit less.

I don't even think I know my own number. Motherfocus can't even talk about themselves. You know what? Just Google me. Oh, yeah. Now it's even worse. People are coming up to you going like this with their phones and they can just get your contact. Like, yeah, that shit is crazy.

Well, we had that with the time porch. Yeah, we had it with the two-way. That was a two-way. But no, this is very hot definition. It's getting crazy, bro. It's getting crazy. I'm just nosy. Who's crazy?

You got a beer, sir? Yeah, we had a beer. All right. This is an old. This beer sold. Oh, so it's just a prop. It's just a prop. Okay, okay.

I should have reverted back to old. You got the Lincol's. You did a show out there one time, I think, with DaVinci, rest and peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. I want to talk about them at some point, yeah. All right. You want to do a quick time of slime?

Yeah, yeah, man. Wait, wait, wait, for that. I can get the flowers. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, man. How much you mean? To this game, man. Thank you, really.

No, man. Snoots that is long deserve. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, my geek. Wow. I'm geeked. Yeah.

I'm like shit, bro. That's crazy. Let's go. Yeah, man. Amazing. All right. Yeah. Now, what I really want to do is get EFN so drunk he's not killed.

Okay. So you know. Who's with me here? Yeah, let's go. I want to see me drunk. Can we get a slither? Let's go. He might start crib walking.

Come on. Relax. See, this is our drinking game. Do you know the rules or no? Yeah, I do. You kind of do? Wait, wait. Don't, if I want to ignore one, don't I get a pass on one or something?

No, you don't get no passes. No passes. The pass is yourself. We're going to give you two choices. Okay. You pick one. We do not drink. Right.

But if you say both or neither, then we drink it. Everybody drinks. So you're not just getting me drunk, you get yourself drunk. Okay. Oh, all right. And then we want stories out of this. It's not really... Absolutely.

Tupac or Easy E? Rest and peace of both. Okay, well, wait, wait, wait. Okay. On what? What's the criteria? It's your criteria. It could be anything.

It could be someone that was your neighbor. Okay, I'm going with Tupac then. Okay. And you met Tupac? Yeah. Get out of here. You met Easy? Once on the freeway.

You got to tell us both. Yeah, yeah. It's normal. No, we was young boys. We was on the 110 going south. This is the easy story? This is the easy story. Obviously, with fans, easy,

he was in the ones that looked like the Batmobile, the BMW, and we was in some kind of bucket, these little niggas, and we pulled up on him because he went past. Whatever, we sped up, trying to get next on. Whatever, I probably was in the backseat, whatever. I was like, easy. And then he hit us up. up, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, he probably hit us up on some gang shit. She smiled. And then Park, I was acquainted because Chuck Moneybee, so I knew the whole digital family. So I was I was acquainted with Pop before because of thug life. So Brady Dawn, all of them was the homies.

But you said, not before Digital Underground. Not before I met ShotG and Money B. thug life. So we was out here. Don't you remember the time when, I think, when... Not to pit my right thing. Oh, was that Atlanta? No, no, no, no.

Way before that. It was a time out here. I felt like it was out here. Maybe, no, it was Atlanta, I think. But anyway, he was with, when he was in Thug Life, I met Pock. And then I would meet Pock again a few other times, period. And one time he was in Carson at this,

we had a one little shitty club, and I pulled up. I was like brass cats already. I had like the record deal and a good car and shit. And it was a Bentley park. And I was going into this little club that was, you know, by, there ain't no clubs in Carson.

So I fucking like pull up and Shug and Pock is getting into Bentley. And I'm like, what are y'all? And then I remember, you know, and I'm getting out. And then Pock was like, what's up, brass? And I was like, what a brass?

And I was like, hi, Pac, what are you doing here? You know what I'm saying? Like, why are you in my city? You didn't even know that he was with death row already? No, I just didn't know. Carson ain't known for having fucking popping clubs, bro. It's not like Vegas. It's like, it's nice.

It's middle class or whatever, but we don't have no popping clubs. People go to Hollywood or downtown or something. So, yeah, a couple of times, a couple of times I talk to Pop. you know, by no means was he like my bestie or not like that. But no, he was always cool with me. He always showed me a lot of love. I always showed me, love.

Okay. Naz or LL? What kind of questions? These guys make it up over there. Has that's your boy? Has your boy? Has it? You did this?

Yeah. I can't answer that. Okay. So we're drinking. Take your shot. Salute. That like it to Pueza. You got a shot there, buddy.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with the wine. Sip it, sip it. I heard he out. All right. Dre or Battle Cat? This dude. Battlecat. I got to go with Battlecat because he discovered me and he didn't have to listen to our shitty cassette.

So that's the reason why we had a little demo tape and he actually took the time to listen. So I'm always grateful he changed the trajectory of my life. There was another son I didn't know. answer, though. Oh, it was the easy E and the Tupac. I did answer it. Okay. Let me find out you're already drunk. No, I'm good. Coogee rapper, Karras won. I know this is

hard for you. Come on, dude. He needs a re-up on his shot. You can use this cut, this one also, to give him to. Careers won a Koo-G rap. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. I'm biased. Karris one's my favorite rapper. And I'm going on his tour. He just told me

I was going to Euro tour, my philosophy, European tour. Start next month. So I'm grateful. Let's make some noise for that. Hell of you. The alcoholics or Cypress Hill? Why are you coming up with these?

You're like, it's different. It's like this part of your finger or this part of your finger? I don't know. I love them. Everybody you mentioned, I love and respect. Cypress Hill or the Licks? I'm going to give it to Cypress Hill. I'm going to tell you why.

Yes. Be real and what they were going through in that era. For what, for being Latino? Hell no. Be real from a gang. It ain't a next thing. We know that. Yeah, we know that.

It's a home issue. Unique situation. So, but I'm saying him having to even find his voice. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that creativity didn't let alone. Latino part of it. But see, but I have to explain. Let me, let me keep your thought. Let's just stop and realize that in LA there's a politics called black, white, Mexican, other. There's

no Cuban. There's no Puerto Rican. You are either Mexican or you are other. Right, right, right. So we operate, you guys, like, the rest of the country operates on these other premises that don't exist in L.A. No matter what you are, because he's their community. He's Cuban Mexican. You are either or there is no option. So Puerto Rican, you got to decide. Right. Along those lines.

You're going to be a Mexican or you're going to be a other, which means you with the niggas. So having people like being them having to step up and try to be honest with themselves, like, hey, I'm a Latino. And I speak Spanish or whatever. That's dope in how they were able to survive it And hopefully that gave some inspiration and it brings all of us together.

You know what I'm saying? But nobody ever wants to tell the truth. And that's why there's so many misconceptions. But go to jail and you will find out I've had to watch. Well, there's underneath that, there's Baisa and all this other stuff in prison. But yeah, those are the general rules. Nobody cares if you're Filipino or whatever. You are other and you with them niggins.

All right. You with you, you with them niggas. now hopefully with what's horribly going on about our country that all, even our man kind of understand like, we all niggas, bro. They don't like us. So I won't we get there.

And I just thought about it the other day. They really had a hit record call if I could just kill a man. You know, you know, I was thinking about that. I was like, how did they let them get away with that back in the day? It was a great air made in your pop. My boy Paul, drink chance ports. He put me on to it in high school.

And I was like, no fucking way to have a record. record. You didn't know that? No, no. This is when it's fresh. Brand new fresh. You know, I'm like, no way they called it that record. I heard it. I heard their demo, because I was, I had a deal that I fucked off.

Or I had a deal opportunity, a couple of deal opportunities early on. And then I remember, you know, back then you get the tape. So I got like breadmans, you know what I'm saying? Album like cassettes. Like industry shit. Niggas is already, you know, they're working on albums. They're sending people shit out. But I remember

I heard some of them records before B found his voice. Really? Yeah, man. Like the demoing of those records? Well, they had the deal, but I guess apparently, and I hope I'm not in this speaking on B, but they just was like his tone. So then he went nasal and found his tone, and it's so infectious that, you know what I'm saying?

But that was part of the thing was like, the beach are crazy. His rhymes was crazy, but delivery. And then he, like, and the contrast was Sen being like that deep pipe band voices. It's crazy. Yeah. They killed it. Yeah. Shout out to Mugs with the beats.

Yeah. Settles, Cuban, right? Staten was Cuban, right? It's Cuban. Full Cuban. Yeah. He's real Cuban, Mexican. And I believe Mugs is Italian, I believe.

I believe so. Yeah. All right. Shout out to Cyprus. Salute to Cyprus Hill. Okay, that. Exhibit or cannabis? Exhibit.

Yeah. That wasn't complicated. Quick or Alchemist? This guy. This guy here. I'm going to do the shot They're both amazing, man Cheers

Salute You're welcome to have some Mama Juan If you want This is not Jameson This is like murder juice Is it Jameson? She's giving you Jameson, bro It tastes like

You can give them small shots Thank you for trying to kill me You're like I don't think I've never seen nobody Mix whiskey with Monster That makes you a A monster. El Monstro.

Montero. Any stories with Quick? Yeah. Let's see. We know your ultimate story, which we maybe talk about later. No, it's good. We're fine.

All right, here's a good one. So I don't have a record deal yet. Maybe I got a record deal. Do I got a record deal? Maybe I have a record deal. Maybe this is 95. But I ain't got it. It ain't out yet.

but my homeboy flip his name is michael barber so flip is from inglewood he a producer he ends up helping me salvage and save solo nights but one day we go to studio and uh well we go to quicks it's dj quick session right again we call it we call it out of bounds like you don't want to be out of bounds i don't want to go to the the south sider party and be the only blackie because they're going to kill me. Right. You don't want to go to the blood party and you the crib. But even still, even if you not,

you just don't want to sometimes. Like people have tails, so you might say loke, as opposed to like my relative. You know what I'm saying? Because if you go up in a crib neighborhood, you'd probably say my cousin. You know what I'm saying? If you go up in a blood neighborhood, you would say my relative. And so we have tails to tell where somebody

from and you don't want to stick out. So I remember we go to the studio and it's just all quick, I'm a fan. I'm tripping out, but I'm like against the wall. Young boy looking around. I'm watching, he's doing a vertical joyride for, what's his name?

I watched him cook from the beginning. Then he did a song for Boss. I'm watching him cook these two records. Yeah, Boston Detroit. So that same session, I watched Quick do two records. And I just remember I basically shut the fuck up because I didn't want to say anything that would alert them that I grew up in a crib neighborhood. So it's just super quiet.

But I've told him that before. Like, you know, he's super lovely. Like, anytime, like, if I show up, he throws me mics. Like, Razzie, get to it. But, yeah, man, like, that quick is amazing, man. I don't watch them cook. Like, because he can play everything. He's like one of Quincy Jones dudes.

He got great vision. He, he's ill. He's just, he's ill. He just threw me a record recently. And so I want to finish that record That's one of my bucket list shits Is the knockout of a song with Quigg He told us that

Michael Jackson was on Crip Yeah I mean that's I don't know if you were serious Yeah But he was like Michael Jackson was doing Things that wasn't That wasn't

Because you know that famous picture that seems Photoshop I mean but quick look Stranger things have happened man I'm just trying to tell you You never know man I'm not telling, I don't want to be telling people's business, but there's some people that super arm B, that be, I don't know, 100%.

You got to remember, it's just like this culture is what, 50-something years old, 50 or 51. It's gangbanging is about, might be the same or older. Older? Right, it's older. It's like mid-60s, 1960s. So it's some people, it's great-grandma gang-bang. Yep. Yeah. It's crazy. Ready to die or Illmatic?

I cannot disrespect neither one of them two albums. I think they're just incredible. Yeah, me too. Take your shot. Sal lo. Yep. In one complaint about Ready to Die. I had the demo tape. One complaint, you said? The demo? Ready to Die?

Not the demo, but before it came out because right, telling you, industry people. Right, when they was, yeah. The executive capital, the, huh? Was it white label? Yeah, white label. Okay, okay. So, yeah, the A&R at... The same way the radio stations got it first, right. Whatever.

Yeah. And I ended up buying it anyway, but when I bought it, unbelievable, wasn't on there. Tell me you still got that demo. No, I lost all that shit. You should have kept that shit. I mean, life, be lifeing, bro. I lost so much shit that's invaluable.

But, yeah, no. That was my only complaint buying the album. But I bought the white label on 120th Street. I lost all that shit. But, yeah, that was... I just thought that record was incredible. The song hit list on this album is to honor Biggie.

That's why I made that hit list. Oh no, and you're new. On Liberty's face. It's taking the R&B sample and creating an ill record off of it. Yeah. New York or Miami? I'm not getting killed.

Miami, Nick. Miami Life. Yeah. You gave me love out here. New York did too. Come on. That's fucked up. No, that's not that.

How do you get that? I like this not good question. Do you want to go back and say both? Both. Roll out of your back and take a bucket. Okay. Outcast or UGK? Both legendary.

And I'm such a big fan and have great experiences. But indelibly, kind of my peers is outcast, rest of peace of Rico. And I just really, yeah. It's a hard Lean towards Outcast Did you work with the Dungeon family? Mm-hmm

I did a record I did for the 50th of hip-hop I rhymed over Outcast record And talked to Rico and everybody Like maybe Two or three months before he passed away Me, him, Curtis from Patchworks

And yeah man And I was in the studio When they was working on A.T. Aliens, I think. I was at Dart, Dallas Austin. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Bro, we all come across each other.

So, yeah, I was in the studio shooting pool. I was supposed to, they actually asked me to be on that record. I wasn't in Atlanta enough. And stupid me, I would have loved to have been on that record. They said, I'm sure that happened to you, the times where you didn't take advantage of the opportunity. You know what I'm saying? Somebody's showing love like,

Hunt did that to me. And it would be like, yo, come, you know what I'm saying? Like, come to the studio. Pun told you? Yeah. Yeah, bro. And you didn't take advantage of it? L.A.

You and Pung would have been crazy. L.A. first of all, L.A. don't know how to say thank you. L.A. niggas still don't know how to say things. L.A. niggas don't even know how to tell you they like your music. All right. Niggas be like, not like I'm on your dick or none.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, you preface everything fucked up. Like, because we don't know how to. That sounds like everybody, though. To be honest. Men, period, alpha. But I'm just saying, like, LA got it real, like, we don't know how. So when pun, pun did it more than once, and I just remember, like, I was just like, put your pun, and I buy your record.

So I don't understand why you being nice to me, because I'm a fan, and I don't know how to accept you being this cool. You know what I remember, Norie. I remember what, it was your party. Okay. Oh, at the pun, when you met pun? No. No, I'm talking about the time. You was like, it was your party

that shit blocked off in New York. Okay. You said some hilarious shit. The mirage? Was it the Marage? It was downtown or you don't remember? I think it was downtown. Okay.

But I just remember I was outside and they had, you know, how they always had the little, like the police had the little blue, little block and shit. So nobody else could get in, you know what I'm saying? If you didn't already get in, you know what I'm saying, get the fuck out of here.

And then no he pulls up. You said something about somebody else. And you was like, Ross Con. You come and I was like He said it with that accent? Ross cause. Yeah.

He's out of French and shit. Ross cause. Because K.R. is one, Ross. I said, I think, no. He's like, you coming in? This is like, this is what, what?

That's 98 then. Yeah. That's 98. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he got me into his own party. I'm outside, nigga. It was like a couple of rap niggas. I'm like, well, stupid.

I'm like, I want to go in there. Pop it. Take some notes from Norway. Yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah. He's got me into this party, man. And it was lit. Yo, finally, we here at Drink Chance at the fourth annual Black Effect

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Oh, yeah. Who, boy, I'm... Minutes just because... Minutes were not. Two-part question, why? Which one is closer to L.A. real life? I just like menace because Nidgans was... Okay.

And this is the old dog, right? Boys in the Hood was a more positive story to me in the sense of it wasn't realistic, more grounded at least? They both. They both happen.

I just like... True, true. I like menace. But they both real story? What are you saying? They both do happen. Okay, okay. Those things happen.

Those things happen. There's an enemy and don't go over there. There is an old dog. There's the smoker. You know what I'm saying? Boys in the hood, I do like it because there's a

strong father figure. so it's not always somebody fucking up because they don't have a dad Mary Fishman. Even though it was the same age as a son but it's okay. Remember that what the whole thing? They used to say that they look the same age.

Oh shit. I didn't remember that. You're doing don't be a menace. But you don't remember that. That's why they made that joke. I know, right. Off subject. Don't be a menace when they walked in a liquor store

was the best part. Don't be a menace is dumb, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. Don't be a minis when they walked in a liquor and the shit said, is the best part of it. All right. The Wayans brothers are the best. Anyway, that's all a different thing.

Okay. So you pick menace, then? I'm going to pick menace just because it was about sliding. Okay. Like, and then Saffir was in it. True. So, he was ill in there. And Cousin Harold.

Cousin Harold. Cousin Harold. And I didn't know him then. I remember, and I've got five memories in Westwood. You know, Westwood. Yeah. So the night that movie came out. It was a weekend.

like a Friday, stupid kids shit. We went to the... It's like thousands of kids trying to... They were sold out. The kids bumrushed all the theaters and just started finities. And we forced Westwood to just play all the theaters was playing.

Wow. Yes, we did that. Can't get us all. And they're talking about thousands of little black, brown, yellow, white, green kids. We did it. And then I do remember Safere's part.

And I was like, that was game. Yeah, between him and MCA. Right. Gangsta shit. I was like, that she was like, even the Twitch, I remember the Twitch, I was like, ah, shit. And then I would go on to meet bro and him being my brother. That's why you didn't know him then?

That's crazy. Killer priest or corrupt? Are we drinking? Yeah, don't, don't go. You guys are a shenanigan to me. It's used to, though. Shenanagan and then again and again. Me against the world.

or it's dark and hell is hot yeah so Parker X I let's see me against the world can I Google can I get a lifeline

What do you want to Google What do you want to Google What's your mom right now? Exactly Wait Me against the world's got temptations right Yep

Yep yep Yeah fuck that It's got to be Well I mean Listen listen I'm a fan I'm a fan Crazy too

But that record Fucked me. Some records per album that fucked me up. So me against the world had, hey, that Mobeer shit, different, bro. And you were for Easy Movie, right? Yeah. I just, just so I'm recently

doing some, we need them on Greenchance, man. He's an absolute legend. I will call him and get that done immediately today. Yeah, absolutely. Havoc or Rizza? Hazardous. We don't have some. You're setting me up for failure here. Well, you're going to have it.

Look, he's got an excuse. I'm drinking. All right. I'm taking baby shots. I know this game. And I'm drinking a drink. It is a game, though. You do admit.

Yes. It's a game. Okay. So. Now I get to play. Love you. All right. So I answered it by drinking.

Yeah. Yeah. So you said both? I'm like them. I'm sorry. Come on, man. Riz and a half, bro. Solon ice or assassination?

That's a tongue twister, bro. Reassacination? Yeah. No assassination, but are. Yeah, Rassassassination. You're like the, Rattacian. Yeah, I want to say Spanish. That's my problem.

Rastasian. Solonized. It begets. You know what I'm saying? It's the beginning of, and everything else is just a... It's a classic, man. I consider that a classic. Thank you, brother.

I appreciate it. So you picked both? No, no, I picked a solo night. Oh, okay. Okay. Ice Cube or Scarface? That's a fucked up thing to ask somebody. Yeah.

Truly. And I heard you say... Wardrobe switch. I heard you say that before you pick, that you think Ice Cube was officially the first lyrical? Absolutely. West Coast rapper? Yeah.

No, he's the first lyricist. Leverast. America's most. I know you live in both worlds. Like, I've been L.A., New York. What would you put, though, because I'm not even thinking about the timeline. Think about America's most. I'm thinking about King T, too, though.

I feel like King T was an original lyricism. Maybe I'm being unfair. I never even thought about that. And King T is legendary and one of my favorite rappers. I think I is, I think I, so there's different components to this. Okay. Some people are dope rappers. I think Biz Markey was dope.

You know what I'm saying? I think, I think some people are stylistic. I'm trying to think of somebody that just had amazing impeccable styles. Right. Fife. Styles of one, style, whatever. That was easy. That was long-hanging truth.

But some people are lyricists. Rock him, the God, is the lyricist. Wordsmiths. You know, you can type it out and read it. It'll fuck your head up. And that's the difference. See, some of, you know, most people are programmed because it's music that you're going by what you hear. And then now it's so fucked up, you're going by what you see as opposed to what you hear.

It's music. Not my video, not what I look like, not who I'm down with. It's just music at its purest distilled form. Right. What is this motherfucker saying? I don't care who made the beat. That's why Nas can rap on fucking dog fart. I know he going to say some shit.

You understand? So for me that... But I don't want him rapping on dog something. Just to be clear. No, you know, people would buy it. Right. If you get popular enough. Put the coolest guy and let it be...

And they swear to God it was like... And then say, you know, so-and-so produced it. People are... They respond to the worst in human stimuli, which is who did it? isn't important. It's groupie mentality. I just, for me,

my love of the craft is about the craft. Not who did it, who he fucking, where his bank account is. Where is these bars at? This is the only pure sport for me. Like, I don't care. And the only other sport like this is MMA, boxer. One man walk in, one man walk out.

Who spit? Period. Everything else is always like, who helped me like like niggas be lying about they bar game people lie about like if you got to lie about not writing your rap we're playing a difference for it

which is kind of where we're at with this it became more of a show about look at me as opposed to like listen to what I have to say I want to hear about Norrie when he's a nigga on the run in Capone of CNN board report I want to hear

what that shit's ill to me and I think if we get back to the craft of it, we're going to get in a better space. So anyway, I'll end up. We're talking about Cuba, but it made me think that looking back at Cube when he left in W.A, it was pure genius to do jacking for beats

because it showcased his vocals, his lyricism on these tracks that were out. There was East Coast. It was a track, right? East Coast mainly, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it showcased him in a way that you're like, yo, you couldn't deny him on any coast. Right. But, well, so did you pick?

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I was deferring. Yeah, you did it. And when I told you, I see you thought about it even more. Right. No, you know what? I'm going to go with Q because... I mean, King Tee, as it. But, Tila, you, yeah, you don't. But Tila, King Tee, we call it.

King T. Because King T is a predecessor. He's a predecessor. The alcoholics, that I feel that lineage even goes to Kendrick, in my opinion. King T is King T. So I can't take its stripes. But is King T did come up before Q.

Yeah, yeah. He did, absolutely. Act of fool. All that with DJ Pooh. Yeah. Facts. Yeah. Yeah.

Facts and facts. But Cube took it to the world. I feel like King T is, first of all, that's big bro, legendary. I think my, in my, when I'm coming out in my era, my first lyricist to me, a nigger you love to hate, Ice Cube, the NWA shit I was hearing, and think about it, Back then, N.W.A. always had a posse song at the end with no hook, which was a spitter record. Yeah. It's all the records y'all would have. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, on pun.

Dun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like, it was always a posse cup where you burn down no hook, niggas, get it off. No, cute was ill. I mean, every drink chance fans know that I'm a cute fan. Yeah. So you pick it, though? No, I've been trying to defer. I was trying to see how drunk you were. Okay.

Okay. So, no, I'm... And face, you can't take nothing away from Scarface. That's one of the... Any plays to get tired at this point. He's the illest. I've never seen the man cry until I seen the man die. I'm not taking any strikes. I'll do it. Yeah. I'll do that. Because they would do it too. They would take a shot for each other.

I'll give you a funny Scarface story. Like, this is like my first solo. Like, I like going out as a solo. and, you know, I believe Superdog just had hit number one, so I was a little gassed. I was a little gas, right? So the promoter was like, hey, man, I want you to close.

I knew I should have said, no. When I was gas, so I went out, boy, when I tell you, where are you at? This is Vegas. You can't come. Would you get a win? No.

It was not a good look for me, man. It was not a good look for me, man. Because to go on after, I never seen the... Yo, I was like, yo, I wanted to give the money back, bro. I was like, yo, I don't want to go on after this. You know what I got a good story. This goes back to Biggie. Okay.

I only met Biggie once. Okay. I forgot where we were at. I feel like it was... I think when you said Vegas, but I know it wasn't Vegas. It might have been San Diego. Okay. For some reason, there was something.

big and dago. And at the time, it's flavoring your ear. Biggie just came out. The remix. The remix. The remix. The remix.

But I think Biggie's album is out. No, he's dropped. At least singles than came out. I get booked. And I am apparently possibly, whatever. There's somebody, something like,

one person is me, then somebody in big. and they just probably drop juicy, I think. It's like album may not be out. It's just like juicy dropped and I got to go on. Then somebody. And you know who big is at the time? Absolutely.

Okay. Yeah, he's all over the place. Even on the mix takes before he dropped, it was. Right, right, right. I'm like, but he already got to play bring in the air shit. The juicy shit already popping in L.A. We're on the West. Unbelievables out already too.

But people didn't hear unbelievable all here. No? No, hell no. They didn't play it in L.A. Really? Wow. And it hit me. That was huge.

That's why I was saying. I was upset because I heard that on the mixtape. Right. Just like Ray's Hell from MOP. They never played that in LA. I bought MOP's album for Ray's Hell. Remember them niggas with the Biggie. Yeah.

But long so be short, I'm getting on. I'm like, oh, great. You know what I'm going to get on? I'm going to get on. I'm going to get on a little money. I remember they was like, he got double books. So Biggie, I'm going on now. I'm like, nah.

should go on after me, though. I mean, you know, like, he should go after me, because I should go on before him. All right. He gets to call the audible. He got double book, which is always a win. Right. When you in town, and somebody throw you another bag, he was like, yeah, I'm going to go on. And I remember

this nigga just destroys it. Because, I mean, he's got hits. He's already got, you know what I'm saying? He's already got previous hits. Right. He can do the flavoring air remix again. and then he crushed it and I remember I was walking

and I had to go in and they said have a good show for a little this big ass thing I'm like bro in my brain I was like thanks

I was like man fuck you bro I do not want to go after this this is all but you got to do it I mean you come through the other end

but I love that because part of this shit is it's not really a chilling circuit it's just like earning your stripes and and I don't

I never wanted to be the headliner. The only thing I ever wanted, honestly, Norrie, I wanted to be the friend next to the most popular people person, you know. I never wanted to be the dude because of the targets on you. I always wanted to be the homie next to that way I can get mine. If the homie get 800,000 and I can get 300,000, why am I complaining? That's all I want. If I ain't do that on a tour, I'm good. Most niggas get, but my strategy was great.

I don't know what the execution part was, not right. I don't even want to be that nigga. Even though I feel like I'll borrow most of these niggas, I never wanted to be the most important, because that's ego shit. I know I'm great at what I do. I know I'm a great part. I just want my bag, bro,

without the fuckery. And I know everybody be looking at the main niggas. I never wanted to be the band guy. Good. I'm still not sure if you answered I did it He did Oh, who did you say?

You? No, no, no, I said it. Oh, yeah, no, he didn't. I did. No, he didn't. I threw you off. Okay, fuck it. You said both.

I did the shot. He said, well, yeah, we did. I don't even remember if I'd poured him. Wu-Tang? Did I trick them? Wu-Tang or N-W-A. Try to trick us again, buddy. Hey, man.

I told you, I told you, I told you I wanted all the smoke with you, my phone. I was trying to break the system. This is my fun time. I miss you, too, by the way. Let's see. That's unfair to me. So, yeah, what problem? I'm not going to do it.

Cheers, man. Are you ready? I think, don't shenanigans me. I'm drinking, though. I'm drinking. Gangstar, Eric B, and Raq. It's good. I would say.

Rest a piece of guru, man. Yeah, I'm going to go with Gangstar. with all due respect Was that because you had more of a connection? Yeah. Because I see you more like Rakim being more of an influence than, you know, because of course. The God is the God. But like I said, when I was a kid, like I lost a record deal.

So I was going to get signed Albi, Tommy Boy, all that, treaching them. I knew everybody a Tommy Boy because of Cooley on them. I came out of Juvenile Hall. Wow.

And I had a demo before I went to Juvenile Hall. My record deal went to Far Side. Wow. I've been really good at what I do for a long time. I just was trying to find myself. But you said your record went to the Far Side?

My record deal went to the Far Side. That would have been your record deal and then instead they took the far side. Wow. Paul Stewart, not Rosenberg. Paul Stewart managed me. I brought Farside to Paul Stewart. Wow. It's my, I'm in this situation. So for me, I'll put, when you're young and you feel like

you'll get a million options and a million opportunities. So I just, I didn't realize how valuable time is because you're young. You're like, eh, I don't care. Whatever. At least I wasn't hateful or hurtful. I helped my friends. So I help Farside and I help so and so. Meanwhile, out. I'm still trying to find myself. I go, fuck off. I go, you know, put myself in juvenile hall and all this other shit. So, yeah. What the fuck were you doing that? You was getting juvie and all this shit. You're stupid. I mean, well, I'm not you. I'm in L.A. My friends are gang members. My friends do all kind of shit. If they say slapping with the hammer, I'm slapping them with the hammer. You were gangbanging without being a gang

member. What the fuck? Yeah, sometimes. And then the other things. is if you get caught, then you get caught. And then the only person I would tell was my mother. So I would tell her, like, hey, this is what happened. Aside from that, you take it to the box. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you know, so even to this day, that was the rules. Like, if you do some fuck shit with your friends, I remember my mom said,

your friends always get you in trouble. I was like, Mom, don't get it fucked up. It's my idea sometimes. I'm not going to lie to you. Like, of course, I'm going to tell the police that. that I'm innocent, and then they asked me who it was. And I'm like, I don't know anybody. So I'm always at fault.

You gotta take the part for the course. If you wanna be out here and try to figure out everything that we have to learn, sometimes we're harder headed. Friends try to tell you things, parents try to tell you things. I've learned most things, I've realized that. I have to learn how to be me. Nobody else can teach me how to be me.

I have to go out here and go experience it. At least now I can speak on it and get better at myself. Right. Yeah, sorry about that. Mature words, man. A little bit. Yeah. Mob deep or EPMD?

Well, that's not that hard, but salute to EPMD. Mm-hmm. Mob deep fan. Good. Come on, man. They was drinking the Hennessy Cups. I was a little nigger, same age. Rest of peace.

Yeah, rest of peace, piece. I'm thinking in a lot of ways if it wasn't at M-M-W-D, it wouldn't be a Mar-D. I totally. respected. Long Island the Queens. I'm a big, I'm a big fan. But for me, like, I remember, I remember Juvenile Hell. I bought that album. I was a kid. I bought that, but I stole that.

Yeah. Like, that was, that was the homies, bro. Like, which is crazy as, uh, even, you know, me and P ended up. We ended up blocking in a little bit more initially. When P got out of prison, I got another good story for you. Okay. Pete gets out of prison. He's in Hollywood.

And he's like, yo, come here. I'm like, what? Yo, come here. I'm like, okay, nicked. But it's a big party. It's y'all party.

He's like, it gets far. Anyway, he goes back, he pulls out when I'm about to pull out. But he got tops. Okay. He's like, so when Pete went to prison, he started smoking tops.

That's the back. Right. Tobacco. What is that? Organic? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

It's British. Good. I'm British. Is what? British. British? Yeah. Roscox.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, I can be a cowboy. I don't think Jane appreciates it. Oh, I could be a cowboy. But yeah, it was super funny. So, I remember Pete was like, yo, Doug.

When you was, you know what I'm saying? Every since I met you, I always was trying to figure out what the fuck is wrong with you because you be broling these little. packs. I was like, bro, ain't these shit's fire? So we actually ate at the end, like, the last like five years, like, Pete was smoking. Okay. Smoking tops because in New York, y'all smoked tops. We smoke bugle. Okay. Yeah, so that was, that was, uh, is that supposed to be healthier? I'm, it's all fucked up, but it's better. Okay. It's better than like, um, a bogey, like a, you all come stove. Yeah, yeah. Think about it, the fiberglass in it. Yeah.

The tobacco is healthier by itself. It's a better tobacco. They have different brands. But when you go to, you, you, you, travel, you store, same difference. Like that, but I don't like the filters on them because it's fiberglass. So I'd rather just get tobacco. I just smoke, uh, beetes.

Bees were worse. Yes, they were amazing. But we used to do those two. And we used to pretend it was budge. Oh, man. I got a headache as soon as he said that. Did any of you like beating? Do I got anybody?

No. You know that they busted out saying that tobacco is healthier. Right. Tobacco is healthier? Well, they're trying. You know the Internet's crazy. Everything is backwards, forward, and tops up. Right, right, right.

But now they're saying, if you think about it, and the Native Americans used to smoke tobacco. And now they're saying the only reason tobacco got dangerous for our health because they put the filters with all the shit in it and all the nicotine and all the crap like that. It's facts. Well, it's not facts. I can't factually put it. But think about it.

Every time government wants to regulate, they add shit. Think about it. Cocainea? No, it's not a bad thing. Wait a minute. I mean, cocaine was in our... In Coca-Cola. And the originally it was a medicine.

Before it was a soda. What's been killing America? Synthetic. When they do it. When they do it, they make the fuck the version. They outlaw the natural to create an unnatural to tax you. Like, you know how we talk about the sage stuff?

And we're wondering if Sage does anything? They said supposedly scientists found out that sage, that smoke, actually clears out certain bacteria in the air. Our people have been on this fucking planet. So that's why they were doing it. I don't trust the government. I trust people's cultures.

All right. Old cultures, way older and more ancient than our modern day pharmaceuticals. They're called for. DEA. Drugs. They're the drug dealer. All right. 100%

All right But we didn't say it here So please relax buddies So that's the last And then we go back Into interview Absolutely Uh

Loyalty or respect Loyalty Right I'm a loyalty Tell me why Respect has gotten me Where it's got me But loyalty

Would have got me more I think When people are loyal To a cause you can accomplish more. Good. People respect because they have to. Loyalty is given.

Good. I'll take a shot, though. Yeah. Respect that. And I'm going to take a piss. That's like that. All right. So let's get into the new album.

Yes, sir. Let's get into the track. What's the track? What's that? Hey, you want to look at the track? It's hard to read that shit. Yeah. It is.

You're not really not. You're never going to be able to read that shit. It's not a vinyl That's just fucked up Well, ask me Just ask me a question I'm saying How did this come about?

You were not trying to get people To read this, bro Let me see Let me see If you read this It's not gonna happen Talk about the back cover Okay

It's hilarious This is the back Oh this is the back No that's the back That's the back That's the back No that's the front Okay

Ask me about the back Oh my God Don't you know that picture No. You know that picture. Let me see it. Let me see it. You know what I just tried to do.

Time out. All your people will do a big cutout so you can see it. You know this picture. You know this picture. It's a fucking iconic picture. I just fucked it up

on some Griselda shit purposely for fun. Do I have to tell you what the picture is? You do, you do. In Vibe magazine, there was a very, and then it went viral.

Back in the day when Kanye was walking in Paris before the song niggas in Paris and he's walking with these people. Now what here's the rub here is I knew the dude on the left. We grew up together. So it was a whole bunch of kids with the same kind of names. There was a dags. There was a rass. There was a tas. There was a tash.

But that's TAS. Tisa, Taz Arnold, O'Ssanya, whatever. and then one of these people happens to be Kanye in this picture. So it was a very iconic picture. They were in Paris with some real fancy schmancy. I remember I was just coming out of jail and I was like, wow. And so I thought the picture was super iconic. The bar is also, if you pay attention, they was on some super high fashion, high money shit.

The brand, if you pay attention to the brand that they're wearing, no poor people can recognize the brand that they were wearing. So I realized Niggas be ahead of the curb Sometimes you're behind the curb Right So what I did was Because I knew the dude on the left

And I He was my I grew up with this particular person That's what you kept on the picture No I changed the face Oh I put Jaguar right Which is

I didn't even notice that It's hilarious So it's all hilarious So leopard eats face And I keep doing shit I'd say it I grisel to it You got a control man

Yes I am I don't ask for permission. I ask for forgiveness. That's January. Taking Taz's Arnold's face, and it's hilarious. So it's an inside joke. I'm an asshole. It looks crazy.

It's so funny to me. So waiting for Taz to get mad at me. I said I would ask for permission. Right. No, I said I'd ask for forgiveness. I don't ask for permission. Right. So I took the iconic picture, and I made it work for my construct.

Because TAS was wearing those pants. And where we grew up... So those pants, that's real in the picture. That's his pants. Jesus Christmas. And no judgment here, sir. People can be who they want to be and they can express themselves.

So anyway, I did that. And then I showed it to a few of our friends that we have mutual friends. I was like, are you going to show it to Taz? And I was like, never in life. I'm going to do it because it was already in every magazine that's fucking to the way. world. I'm just change his face

and everybody else I'll just blur out their fucking fucking faces because it's Leopardy's face. He had the fucking leopard pants. Fuck it. Run the play. So I ran the play. So I think the back cover is hilarious. I think it's totally funny.

That's my personality type. And yeah, that's the shirt I'm wearing. So again. It looks better on the shirt for some. I mean, it's smaller. I mean, there's only so much you can fit on a two by two inch. That's dope sure.

Yeah, and this is what the vinyl looks like and all kind of cool shit. But yeah, so, yeah, Leopardy's face, it was fun to do it. Kanye, if I piss off Kanye, so big. I got the track list, by the way. Oh, you got it.

Thank you. Yeah, so what, what questions? Okay, no. And I'm warned them now. No, this is a different question. I'm going to go into the album. And you got to take a shot for every question. No.

If you do it. I told you I'm here to, I'm just here to get him. Yeah, okay, let's do it. Let's do it. I heard you say somewhere that Steve Riffkin wanted to sign you to Lyle. Barb, so I didn't know. Right. My.

What life would have been like if you were on Lowe? Man, I don't want to cut a shit or would. I'd be rich. It would have been crazy, man. I would have been rich. Well, that was the label. He only told me that. Recently.

Was that when he was looking at exhibit, after exhibit? How was that? The Licks? This is what he took. told me we were this is I want to say

like during the end of COVID and what was that shit where everybody was talking on and just talking clubhouse? Clubhouse which I lasted all of one day we run a clubhouse thing and he said you're the only person I ever tried

to sign that didn't sign to me and I said you never tried to sign me and then he said That's not true. I made you an offer. And then I said, when? And I know who tried to,

that I knew, you intercepted the deal? Well, I knew who tried to sign me. Chris Lightning brought me to New York for Def Jam. Right. I was able to walk around and, and, you know,

any rapper's dream in 1990, mid-five, dev jam. I had I had I think now was hotter than the Devajam in 1995

Me just hear me out okay I didn't know of it did they come on to the 97 what I'm saying is it's not on the table for me I know who priority records is giving me an option

Deaf Jam gives me an option uh Deaf American which is Rick Rubin Rick Rubin used to pick me up, and he Carson. Wow. And a Rose Royce.

He left Deaf Jambs. He created American, but it was Deaf American, then he became American. He used to pick me. Did he have on shoes when he could pick you up? In a Bentley, he looked like Santa Claus. And he probably looked really crazy, this little black

kid getting into... Christ, man. It probably looked crazy. Like right now in the landscape of being right now. My neighbor. But he would give me, he would pick me up. I don't want to get off track. I'll land this plane.

But he, Rick Rue would pick me up and give me demos of unreleased Beastie Boys and L.L. Cool J. record. Wow. Invested in me, believed in me, which is why I did the song with Chino Excel. Rest in peace.

Because I didn't sign to him. And it was one other option. So I had four, like a bidding war. You know what that is. You know what that is. So I had a bidding more. I never heard loud because I would have just picked loud. So when Rifkin said that to me, I was like, you know what I'm saying?

Like whatever, it's only like four or five years ago. He's like, you're the only artist that never signed to me that I made an offer for. I said, well, lies you tell. I'm like, bro. You ain't never gave me no offer. He's like, no, I gave an offer and da-da-da-da-da-da. I was like, bro, I never heard that. I would have took less money and signed to you.

You know what I'm saying? and I know who didn't tell me because they wanted the money. The production company. They thought they were going to get somewhere else more money. We got more money, but the production company that didn't produce shit wanted money.

They're going to hold you out. That's what the artist is. Ultimately, you didn't produce none. You just wanted what you wanted and fucked over mine. But yeah, if I would have had that option. What could have been. And to be honest, it was before exhibit.

That's what he told me. Before exhibit, but after the licks. Yeah, of course. The licks were like through King T, then the licks. And then I was, you know, I had had an opportunity. I came back out. That was doing well. And obviously what could have been.

But yeah, my mama was my daddy. Because imagine the alcoholics, you and exhibit altogether on Loud. Well, just think about Rizza is the first person that clears my first white label because we wanted to sell it. Right. Your first white label. My first white label I ever put out, I sampled Method Man. You don't know me and you don't know my style. It's called Remain Anonymous.

That I produced it. And then the B side was a song called Won't Catch Me Running. But then it was doing well. And they was like, we should try to sell it. So we had to clear the sample. And Riza cleared the sample. That's dope. We're the first people that ever sampled Wootang that cleared it.

Because Rizzo was like, I fuck with Rass. And I credit Killer Priest. Killer Priest, we're kind of in that same bracket of, you know, the year we come out or we're starting to pop. priest put Riza on the Rastcast and then Rizza always fucked with me to this day. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm very blessed because I had

people interceding and saying like, bro a good nigga or bro's talented and he ain't a fuck boy, whatever. So yeah. But if I would have signed aloud, yeah, what could have been? Yeah, about too late now. Unless you know how to do some DC Marvel. The ultimate universe. Yeah.

Yeah, that guy. There's Rasscast loud. That guy's like A fucking rich And a awful person Do you get mad When you hear We gonna make it?

That was a good question No No No Here's the truth And I'm gonna say this As politically correct as possible I've never had a problem

With Jada I'm a fan I saw Jada and them I remember when the clips was the one This was in Puerto Rico What happened to that boy? That was the first time I had seen Jada in like years I remember

I was like, no, I don't have an issue And now to make a very convoluted story simple Me and Al, we've had our conversation And shit with I have a party called Five Mikes That I do once in one party, yeah, mm-hmm Okay

For the culture, trying to do the unity thing and bringing, you know, L.A. hip-up culture back together, black, brown, yellow, white, green, male, female, whatever. So, Al, I saw him at, I saw him at, um, I saw him at Nause.

Uh, it was the Mobb Deep release party. Yeah. In L.A. And so Al came up and I actually, I did the fun thing. Yeah. He was like, put the grass, because it wasn't a lot of us upstairs. And then I was just like,

what up, d'nig. Yep. You know what I'm saying? I didn't call him a nigga. I was like, what up, niggas? You know what I'm saying? He's like, man, I want to do the fine mics. I was like, yeah, let's do it. And he's like, let's cook.

I was like, yeah, let's do it. Let's talk it to a misunderstanding. Al is super talented. I can't take from somebody what God gave. You know what I'm saying? Or their hard work. Same thing. I'm ready to move forward.

And I think the record, I'm going to stand on this. My record is not a two-track. It's the files. My verses are dope. We're going to make it as iconic. That was on there already? No. No, no, no.

Because there's, mine is home, sweet. I put it on a mixtape. You leaked it to me. Right. Well, I did it with Star and Buck Wilde and performed it. It's on K-Slay mixtape. But I don't want to get into those weeds because then it becomes the fence mechanism. I think Al is dope.

We had a misunderstanding. standing, we move on. I want to do a song with me and him called Barry the Hatchet. And he was like, yo, we should cook. I was like, yeah, let's cook, let's move forward. And on No Days Off, we did a record. On his album, we did a song where we killed it. We had so much fun.

I don't want to live in the past. I think what Stiles and Jada did is amazing. And two things can coexist at the same time. So great record. My album didn't even come out. My album on the label didn't come out. That was Vanguard. That would have been on Van Gogh.

It would have been on Van Gogh. And so, yeah, my album, because of my label shit, so at least the record. Wait, that album never came out? It never came out. Van Gogh. Never came out. I put it out later. Thanks for telling my Enemigo.

Enemigos. Yeah, we had physical copies of this, like with the artwork. But that's when Capital was getting bought. was buying out the other half. Well, at the time, priority was independent and then Brian Turner owned 51%. They bought him out and they got the other

2%. So he became 49 and then they were making it capital. They were like, we're going to close down priority and just make it capital records. Only a few people made that cut. It was like Snoop Dogg, me. We got slid in with like, Faith Evans or whatever.

So it was only like six artists, but that was the whole journey. So my record didn't get promoted. And then we went into, from Van Gogh, we went into Golden Child. So I took certain records off here and then went into the Golden Child with premiere and all that stuff.

So it was just all this corporate shit and just trying to make it be okay. But ultimately my point is at least we're going to make it exist. And the shit fired. Is that the only record you did without? with? No, I've done multiple records with Al. Yeah. I'm known

Al for... No, I know. I just... I've done songs with Al since that. That's what I'm saying. So he had an album called No Days Off when he's, like, DJing for Eminem. So why does it feel like you guys just mended the beef? I'm not going to go into that. Again, we are okay today.

You guys are local, man. Well, you know, L.A. should. But my brother is talented. I want to do a song called Now you guys should do a project together A whole project together Put that in the universe I think that shit would be crazy

I come outside You know we ain't never did one I know I thought about that today Yeah You guys just sound great together as well That would be crazy This is part of the We skipped on in a quick time with Slams

What do you prefer Being on a major or being independent? I already know Francis Good question No, I'm going to be honest about it. I want both. They're a frozen kind. That's what I was saying.

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They were a major indie. You're going to manage, you're going to manage us. some new record deals, sir? Who? Who? Oh, shit. I'm retired. No, finder's fees.

Yes, yeah. I got her. You ain't even got to deal with me no more. Just go get us a bag. Let's go. You ain't answered, though. Independent. Oh, you have both.

You said both. Okay, okay. I'll explain that to people who don't understand. I don't want to major with the shenanigans. If you think you're going to own the project, none of that, none of that shit.

And nowadays, these kids is getting these 360 deals. they're totally replaceable. So no, like, I bring something to the table. We have value. And then especially as businessmen, like, you start. You know, we start with a dream. They finance that.

I respect that. I definitely, yeah, of course you want, I like getting per diems. Yeah. If you know, you know. Yeah. I don't think that exists anymore, man. I'm telling you some people still get in per diems.

No, no, I'm sure it does exist on the top, top tier. No, these young, some of these people getting deals, but they just, so the young kids, But my homie is a, he does tour management. Right. For major people, Chris Brown, whatever. Right. Whatever. He was like the young, the young ones, they just want to be on privates.

They want a hotel in the private. Right. Because they can say they was on a private. Right. Private plane for people that don't understand what they're. And they could be content by doing that, though. Right. Yeah. Right.

But it's like, like, no one gets on the private without filming it. Right. All of them, all of them, all of them. It's for that stunt. It's fun. They're stunting there. But they're not like, they're public, they don't care. They've kind of thrown away like their future.

They're like, I want it now. Like you've seen that commercial, it's my money and I want it now. It's not my money and I want it now. That's short-sighted as far as I'm right. Because how many people we've seen, you know, get a lot of money and where are they now? The motherfucker just, like, if I could have, woulda, should have saved that fucking $200,000. that I had when I bought all Gucci shoes

that don't mean shit. Savings account. Right. So, I want both. And it's okay to dream and want both or not dream to plan or strategize for it. I would like a small indie with enough money to finance.

I don't need a lot of upfront. I want you to make sure that you're going to support this project. And then when it's time to fucking move around, you're going to help move around. Would a rock has been that in your mind? Yeah. And the Brockas was always great and supportive of his artists.

Look at how everybody landed. Quali still do business with the owner of his company. I mean, they got uprocks to, you know. Yeah, you know, big things. Yeah. Well, you know, having those kind of friends, it's never over. There's a few dope indie hip-hop. Massapel.

Right. Massapil's. Massapil's. Great and amazing things. You know what I love what they're doing over there. Like I said, Mobb D. day lie said I mentioned it so yeah I'd love to find a home

that gets it allows me to be myself I'm I don't want to create the chicken dance or some other shit to try to get on I'm not 14 I'm not I'm not a weird kid but I can see you on Mass Appeal yeah definitely could see you on that legend run

they're doing which I feel like they're going to continue But they don't have nobody from the West so that was my logic Yeah I didn't notice that Nause Mass Appeal Razcas the legend run Well shit I got a whole project I'm promoting this, but me and Fredro, well, no,

that already came out. We did that on another label, but unfortunately it didn't work out. But yeah, you know what I'm saying? Me and Fredro from Onyx, we got a project. So we're called we, West and East, so we collectives. So, I mean, I'd love to place it and get a home.

What made you do a whole project with havoc and what you critiqued as being a rest-coast artist? First of all, my bros, like I said, I was closer with back day. You know what I'm saying? Just through the whole mob these shit

once I got my deal on just knowing them. But I want to say I want to say before COVID, one time we were in Dallas and I got booked to host. He got booked

to perform. And we were chilling. And we like to say Yeah. All right, fuck it. I'm going to tell us, Drew. We're Eskimo brothers. What the fuck is that? You don't know what I asked him brother is this nigga though?

Yeah, you're kissing the same. Never in life. So anyway, we know you got the same thing. You know what you know what that shit mean. Then you crazy hill shit when Noi was there. Right. So, so, so. You turn on the bus, you're on the bus, but you know.

How's out. You throw us under the bus. No, not out of the bus. Most industry niggas is an Ascomo brother at some. What the hell? That means you, you should. I see the same. You didn't knock somebody

that's somebody else now, okay? I don't think anybody ever put their relationship out there. We're Ascombe brothers. All right. So, anyway, we sitting there. I don't disrespect to Esquones, guys. I know. That was racist.

I didn't make the term up. But, oh, some real shit. So we, anyway, we were sitting there talking with DTF, Dallas Fort Worth. And, like, like, you. Like I said, always been a big fan, always been some people air like sooner than others, you know what I'm saying? That's just the name of the album, that's cool, brothers.

Never in life. Never. Let people think about it is. Take a DNA test and see how many. Whoa, whoa, whoa. See how many of you. See how much to scum. You live in Miami.

How much scum back until y'all got. Yeah, yeah. It's nasty work. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Miami life. Right, Miami life. Ain't that night.

After poor ice. That goes well nowadays. Right, exactly. It worked well. No, but I'm just saying, so we actually, I had told him my thoughts. I was like, P's gone.

And I hope I'm saying this would all do respect and dignity. I was like, yo, P's gone. I was at the funeral. And all of you, I'm saying? We were together the day P passed. I was too. I was in Vegas, too. Yeah, we was on all the rap.

Right, exactly, all the rap. And so across the street. Ice team, yeah. So we were across. I forgot you were there. That's crazy. Yeah, I was on that bill, yeah. I was on the bill, too.

Yeah. I wasn't on the bill. Excuse me. Onyx brought me out. Ironically, I next worked me out. I asked them to do my food show, and it was like,

yo, well, I have a show tomorrow. It was super hot that day. It was super hot. And the green room was a cross. the street. I saw him as soon as he got off stage. Right. So when when P got off stage, we went back into the green room.

Right. And then we all walked out this opposite way. Right. So I don't feel like moving, but the point is it was opposite. So let's say this is the green room and this is the back of the stage across the street. We all walked out. P. went

that way into the suburban. Me and have walked up and back in and I think Ray and Ghost was performing. That's crazy. You must have walked because he must have walked right by me and walked right into you because, like,

the only reason why I would have went backstage and I went backstage after. What happened? But the only reason why I didn't go was because I had to perform anonic. Right. Yeah. And I saw them, too.

Yeah, because, so I remember, you know, I'm doing all this justice. when I first walked into the green room, which was across the street, I saw having P, I saw Ghost and Ray, and P was a little irritable, right? And I thought he was, like, kind of upset.

I don't know what I'm saying? And I'm like, not me, just, you know, then you'd be having a bad day. So what I'm like, oh, what up? And I'll be all talking to shit. And then Pee says something about our homeboy, 40 o'clock. He's like, this nigga, then you're shot. You know, your sons, you know what I'm saying? Whatever. We got a musical homeboy.

I'm like, you know, I'm like, bro. Like the nigga just keeps living, bro. This is hilarious. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is our homeboy. Like, you tell us to take care of itself. I'm like, bro, I'm going to tell him. You know what I mean? Whatever. And then, uh, I remember they performed, then we came back. And then I remember we were going to walk. And it was mostly in that green room at the time it was maybe the five of us and I was going to get this picture I was going to be like yo let's flick it one time

I was like ah fuck it I'll catch him because I knew I knew you know it was still won't go on like I knew that I think it was a jersey show like two or three days later I'm like fuck it I'll just do another picture catch him later yeah plus he because he had said like nah it's my sickle cell shit

you're like this shit fucking hot is fucking hot on my sickle cell so I'm like cool like let it go we walked across Mehav walked up, P and a security guard walked that way, and we just never saw him again. And so you just never know. For me, it really was one of them times where,

like somebody I really genuinely, first of all, just growing up, looking up, like, we've same age bracket, but I'm a fan, I'm a brother, I would hope, saw me as a friend. You know what I'm saying? So that shit is important. Like, all the hype and hoopla shit, don't mean shit, like, to me, if it ain't genuine.

Some people fake love you, and like, I really love bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's my bro. To fast forward that and tell something about what happened with me and have it. We were in Dallas, and my whole shit was like, I don't want, I was like, P can't be replaced. Prodigy cannot be replaced. I was like, but you got them beats. So I said, find you.

find somebody not from Queens and find the East Coast nigger so at least we get you know what I'm saying that shit right like I need my fix on you know what I'm saying

but it can't be the comparison you can't replace P that's my niggas you know like it'll never be mob deep you it ain't gonna never be no mob deep bro

like mob deep is y'all niggas but find me son give me that vehicle that kind of music to hear that type of shit the energy the same energy right because you

you're sitting on you cooking. You know what I'm saying? And so we talked about it. I remember we talked about it. And then fast forward like three years later, having storm hit me like, what's up? I was like, well, we need the East Coast nigga. That's why the RJ Payne guy.

I was like, fuck it. Well, why don't we just do that? Because it ain't no comparison. We just want the production. And then we're going to honor Pete. So our job is to be there and be, Our brother, one of the songs is on that Havoc album, it's called The Gutter, C-U-T-T-R. So Mob Deep, it's still in that same vein. We just trying to honor Can't replace. I'm a West Coast nigger.

I'm my own MC. But really, this is because I just want to make sure this Mobb Deep, like, legacy. So we got a song on one where it's two prodigy. You know what I'm saying? And it ain't no fake-ass, you know what I'm saying? Niggas, we want to fake homages. niggas get tattoos and niggas, they ain't never mad. Niggas is super fake.

They should be corny of shit. Like, I knew, bro. So our heart was right. We did a good job. Yeah. I think what we did for the gutter album is a great honor. And that was when they were still trying to get everything in order with the family. Yeah.

And this new mob album is incredible. I hope they can create enough more because mob be forever for me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Pee my homie, have my homie. You know what I'm saying? I love my brother. That's crazy me and you got like the same story.

Yeah, y'all basically. Yeah, he basically walked by me to walk. Yeah, you're giving us the story right before the story intersect with it. Yeah, that's just, that's just, that's, I got, I got gooseboats. You know, rest in peace, peace, peace, probably. All right. All right. What do you, what do you like, what are you like more?

Making the record, performing a record. Two different animals. Okay. I love the creation. this. Okay. I love sitting in and like being with the producer and being with the people, like that shit, the animal's crazy. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Because I remember Dr. Dre saying, like, throw it against the wall of it, stick and stick. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool to make something and think it's cool. Right. Until your homies come in and be like, no.

No way. But if they're dope people, they can tell you why, right? So I might make some shit and then homies, like, drum is whack. Like, well, then fix them. See, I like people I can talk to like that. Like, fucking fix it then. So what if you're in, if he's like, I don't like them drums, like, oh, fuck it fix it.

Hasn't it's fix them fucks. You know what I'm saying? Right. Do it. Don't just say like, yeah, they like fix it. And then when your homies go in and fix it, that's just fire. Like, oh, shit, this thing went up, bro. You know what I mean?

So the creative process is a beautiful experience. I'm not a, I'm not God. Man, we made an image and likeness. I am God because I, whatever, God. But in the physical sense of the ultimate, the closest creation experiment that I can do is, whether I'm a painter or I'm a builder or whatever, is to create something.

And so I love being in that, but the other part is I do like actually showing off the thing. Yeah, yeah. So those two animals are like shooting. Right. Because now I get to do it to somebody. Like, pause. I get to, I get to perform something.

It's a girl, but no pause. Well, I'm just saying. I get to perform in front of people. And sometimes, like, there's been many of times where I'm just, like, this one person that's spitting my fucking bars to me. And I'm, like, looking at the person like, this motherfucker, I know this shit. Like, he wrote it or she wrote it. I'm like, that energy makes me double up. Like, fuck that.

I'm really do a great job Jay-Z used to say a thing, one or one million. The whole point was if you have a show and only one person showed up, would you half-ass? You're not supposed to. If only one person showed up to your show,

they deserve for you to give a hundred percent. If a million people show up, give a hundred percent. So I love both. And then I also like, I'm not going to lie, I like money. Right, right.

You've made that kind of like several times. I'm like, I'm like, oh, I got some money. Right. No, in the creative process, I'm spending money. You ever. I can't beat this motherfucker. This is hilarious. You can't perform?

Phone versus breath. The phone one, bro. Can you turn this shit off? I love you. I love you. I love you. I'm going to turn the shit off. You're my big brother, I love you.

Yes. Have you ever performed the overseas and realize these people that know your words don't even speak English? Absolutely. That shit is the weirdest thing, right? No, it's the most. Lobo del Pazzo is calling you. Look, we're going to pick this shit up.

Oh, yeah, Paco, what happened there? Oh, wait. Is there? Yeah, yeah. What happened to RAS? No, RAS, not here? I'm kidding at this. Let's get me.

You're going to get. What? I need Pajon. We need $30,000. Cajette in the mouth, Rass. Yeah, so johio the thing. No buy out there. And scene.

You should just not turn up like breaking a phone. I know. This is some fucking shenanigans. Here, man. Take your white ass flog back. Oh, God. Now this guy thinks El Mancho just killed you. Oh, my God.

It's going to be awesome. He's like he's never coming back. It's over. My deposit's fucked. All right. God comes down. God says. I want you to make one record that's going to change the world.

And you get one feature. Now, this is a two-part question. Oh, I like this already. You get, you get, you get, you get, you can make two records. One, with a person that has passed away, and one with a person now that is living. Who's a producer, who's going to be the producer on those two records? Like this question. I want to take this extremely serious.

So wait, right by the way. So one part is a passed away producer and a present producer, right? I want to dissect this piece by piece. And a passed away artist and an artist now. But who's going to produce it?

Yeah, who's going to produce it for you? You get to pick it. Any producer. Ah, man. Okay. I wanted to do before and after. All right. You're going to have to do. drink with me. All right.

All right. What time's out? Lady of the lady of the jamie. I don't know her name. Mr. Lee. Michelle, oh, that's my little sister's middle neck. Sorry, Michelle, we forgot.

Mealy? Oh, Millie. Who told us to show? Wait, wait, wait, no. Yo, Mr. Lee tells Michelle, we're sorry, Millie. This guy doesn't even know his own name. Okay, okay, okay.

Okay. So, yeah, so that feature? I'm gonna go with. This is a producer, right? I'm gonna go producer first. That's a hard dig because, one. All right, fuck it. Never worked with him before.

I'm gonna say for real. I knew he's gonna say for real. For some reason. Because you win. Yeah, I knew. I knew I was going to say, yeah, I swear to God. Come on, bro. This would have been some scary shit.

What I'm gonna. Who's the? I know Prime, I know Trey, I know blah, blah, blah, I know Y. Farrell's, nigga, the clip shit fire. I'm like, you think of y'all. The track record would be fired, bro. Yeah, yeah. So I can see it, too.

I'm going for real. Okay. Now you said, what was the other part? Yeah, now feature, feature wise. Now, you put, yeah, feature-wise. Damn it. One alive, one? Yeah.

Not alive? In entire life? Yeah, I can go with that. Yeah. Like, in the world? Oh, nigger? Yeah. Oh, niggas?

Oh, I forgot to save humanity. All right. I mean, you already fucked that up. Right. I don't want to offend anybody. I'm going to go with Yeshua. Jesus? Jesus? I'm peeking you.

It's a feature? Correspiose. And Jesus rhyming. No. Yes, you are. There are no Jays in Hebrew. Man, that's Jesus, man. Let's get it real.

No, that's your Spaniard that gets you out. There are no Jays, niggas. It's Hes from Southgate, man. Southgate, man. Hey, homie. Hey, homes. No, no. So I go Yeshua.

So, I mean, I'm about going to cut to the chance. That's a lot. That's a lot. You want to. Jesus is alive. he died and went to where else nigga I'm talking about my bad you got too smart

I was speaking now let's say let's see who I would pick physically would mean on their bodies let's see I'm a fan and I would go with

I'm going to throw you off Durand Duran What the fuck My favorite group. Let me hear. The dudes with the feathers in their head? No, man. No.

Save a prayer. Some of the eldest records ever. No, Duran Duran is dope. Duran Duran is fired. Duran is fired. I tried to sample Duran Duran on this album. And the company was like, not at all. They're British, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. One of the greatest records ever written is called Save a Prayer. And I was a little kid watching MTV. And I took me 50. 10 years to understand. See, the best thing about writing

before the dumbification of rap is that it was dope. Rock was written well because we created rock and these songs and R&B and women, the woman, like people are talking.

They're talking that shit, though. They're talking like, I'm fucking your niggas. Like, they talk about real shit but making the shit sound amazing. it just became now where it's like, I'm a whore, I'm a dude, and you fuck me, I'm on you. I say corny.

You know, it's so crazy, it sounds like a hit record. Yeah, because your ears train into monkey, monkey time. It's programming. So they used to write grown-ass shit, fire shit. Right.

And Duran Duran, Wright's really interesting. It always resonated with me. I tried to sample it twice on company. It was like never in life. Yeah, they're like, I was signed a capital priority record. I'm like, come on, bro. It's like, now.

Well, you need to go after that. Well, you know, you asked me in my perfect world for real to make the beat. I get Duran and Ran and Ran. Are they still around, Duran Duran? Are they still alive and well? Yeah. It's like. All of them.

So here, I challenge everybody here for this one. There's a song that I heard as a kid amongst all the amazing great records. Durand Duran had a record. called a view to the kill. I like James Bond. I like the niggins. It was a cool nigga. He killed niggas. He always gets the bitch. So I liked James Bond. Do I see myself in James Bond?

No. But am I James Bond? You goddamn right. Right. Right. Now, Duran Duran would do the music to a few of them. And he had a song. It's not he, it's them. There's a song. But it's any of them, not them, them. they

no it's them they them but the point was one of the greatest records it took me 15 years like to even understand the context

of the record and that's what I think I think layers are incredible when I can listen to oldies and hear like oh shit

I'm old enough to really understand what the fuck I was here like I heard it because it sounded catchy as opposed to like oh I'm living in this

Like, I caught a rock him bar from the first album, like four years ago. No less. And I wish I should have wrote it down. I was like, I finally got the bar. Right. I like that. Now, if you want, I walk down the tree, I'm a whore. I killed him yesterday.

I shot. It's monkey talk. Grow the fuck up. I get it that they trained you to do that. But I like shit. where like even even the lowest form of energy is more complicated than one simple thing.

So I like when I like when I get to go back to people's music and get more informed or you know or get growth because I thought the point of art as I look at it on this wall, as I see it amongst me, is to learn from it and to grow from it. If it's just a thing, then you're a cheeseburger from McDonald's.

I'm not no fucking cheeseburger. We are exquisite art. We do exquisite shit. The fact that you can move from what you did, you know what I'm saying, as a Queens nigger, you know what I'm saying, and really go from CNN to go into, you know what I'm saying, I do have a joke about it. But, no, to move into your culture and even do reg it on, you know what I'm saying? to have growth to build, you know what I'm saying?

where you're on your 10th year. For you to grow, that's the love. Don't never be relegated, and I'm kind of in that. I'm in my love zone about the art. Like, fuck it. Because at the end of the day, when we go, all we're going to leave is this. Right. I mean, so I'm going to leave

excellence if I can't. What's your stance on Ghostraget? Here's my stance on that. Two different sports. Water polo is not regular polo. Say it again. Water polo is not regular. Polo is when they're on the horse and they hit the table.

But there's a water polo. It's not regular polo. Right. Which do you think is more difficult? Water polo? It doesn't matter. So I'm just going to tell you different skill set. So he asked me a question about ghost riding.

So I'm going to name three people because then you can use it. Kanye West, Dr. Dre, my name for, allegedly others. I said Kanye West. I said, oh, did he? So did he said, don't matter if I write rhymes, I write checks. Dr. Dre has never said, I'm the best lyricist. I respect him. Different sport.

He's a producer. Right. But don't act like you play my sport. Right. Don't. You don't come in with niggas helping you write four or five of your bars. Seven or ten, at what point when does it become them and not you? Hooks in production are one thing.

If you don't play my sport, fuck out of here. I play a sport called bars. The rest of y'all playing the game called convincing bitches and white people that you're popular. You can't beat me at what I do. And I don't give a fuck if you got a group. So the bottom line is we should just call a thing called once every four years. No internet, none of your hype people, none of your help writers. I will air your niggas out.

I'll air your favorites because if you over here with niggas helping you, throwing you bars and whatever, you can help with a hook. You can help with production. You cannot help me with me expressing myself, period. No, and now, motherfuckers is using chat GPT to help. Yeah, I was my next question. Which is wild confidently. I've seen people, I'm not going to name no names, but they confidently saying chat GVT is helping.

Well, again, again, every tool. Rhymes, hooks, whatever. Again, every tool is a tool. You're just not playing my sport. Whatever that sport is called is something else. That's not water polo. That's called a salad polo. Cyber polo.

Right. You can do whatever you want to do. You just don't act like you, me. But Kenyon said they're not like, they're not like us. You not like me. If you don't write your shit, you beat it. My nigga, what game we plan? You're not capable of depth of character.

You don't know how to express yourself. You need other people to help you say you need a therapist. I gave an analogy a long time. You're a therapist? Basically, that's what they are. They're your therapist. Here's my analogy. Who's your favorite basketball player?

Who's your favorite football player? You don't give a fuck. John Elway. Okay. Jesus Christ, cool. So John Elway. Do you think we don't know who John Elway is?

Definitely. Oh, gee, shit. Even I remember. Yeah. That's how you know. You even know? Of course. That's when I actually cared about sports.

Bancos. Okay. So if you started watching the playbacks of John Elway, he was a quarterback, right? Mm-hmm. Right. So if you saw Elway, he was doing it white by the time. You freeze frame it, right? And this is going to get racist, but it's hilarious.

What? What? Why? Let it rip, I guess. Oh, you know why. Do you know me? So, you know right? Watching these. A little Mexican. There you've crossed out of his hands, and he really throws it.

What? A little Mexican guy? A little Mexican guy, because I'm from L.A., and I always, those are my brothers. So if you saw a min. miniature little nigger. Yeah. Come on. He just happens to be Mexican

in my analogy because I'm from L.A. So I think it's Elway. But it's not really him. Not really him. It's a little nigger that comes out. Little bitchy-dick.

In my analogy, he happens to be McConnell. He comes out. Bomb. I want Elway. I don't want L.A. I want El Pedro.

I want the little nico. I want the little nigger. I want the little nigger. That threw the bomb. I like that guy. I want the little nigga that did the shit. Because you're the big guy. They need each other, though.

They need each other. No, fuck you. Because the little guy, imagine he's on the floor. You put your step on him, bro. You're fucking this analogy. I like the real one. You cannot. I never went to McDonald's expecting Ronald McDonald to come out and make my hamburgers and take my order.

Right. But for real, I did expect. It's called rap. If you can't write them, you're not like me. I don't want you around here. Get me the nigga that's doing it. Why are they accepted in R&B? Because they do a lot of hard work.

Because they hold notes. And they dance. They sing and they dance. Nigger rappers, we don't have a hard job. But how come, let me ask you this. How come Chris Brown could be related to one of the greatest of all times? And he clearly is great. but you find out that Chris Brown didn't write some of his songs.

Is he still, how can he still be great? In his genre, look, he's not great. It cannot be. We have to be honest, man. Right. We have to be honest. It's different. It's not normal.

It's not. In the genre of R&B, that is a normalized thing. Songwriters. Michael Jackson, chimes out, I never thought Billy Jean was not his lover for Michael Jackson. When? I was a kid I knew this nigga who was not fucking on nothing

Yeah, yeah I went in their cup Yeah Billy, the nigga the light stuff I was like he's the baddest Come on This is rap

Yeah At some point Do we Are we gonna have Some accountability here And the thing is this Although it is true What

That there's ghost writing In hip hop Right Although it is true From the beginning Although it is true This is the thing This is what we have

To be Understanding of it Although Although it is true The overlying rule in hip hop A true MC does not have a ghost writer.

That is the overlying rule in hip hop. But one of the best groups of all time. Who? NWA said Ice Cube, write the rhymes

that I say, like I didn't even I didn't even know what he was saying back then. When I thought about it, I'll say, holy shit. Hell to do you're from CIA.

But that was only, that was only Easy E and Dre that I'm gonna be honest. E and Dr. Drake gets away with it. They did. They never said. They were never saying they were emcees or rappers.

Right. Really, really, truly. Right. They were a team doing the job. MC ran IceQ were the only true MCs. Right. And then came DOC from Texas. Of course, at DOC.

He was right in. Right. Right. Right. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible.

But Dr. Dre ain't never said, yeah, I got the bars. Yeah. D.O.C. You know what I'm saying? Like, you ain't shit. I'm Dr. Dre. Dr. Bre. I spit all this shit.

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I'm Van Gogh Whoever the fuck you think you are You're a cornball I tell you some scary shit So you don't think Kanye's talented I think he's a health talented Well you know I lived with Jay Z It's time to start with the shenanzy

You lived with Jay Z too? I did I lived on State Street I lived I lived before this album came out That's why I got the Jazz O record Wow Hold on you lived with Jay Zee I lived on State Street, nigga with Jay Z.

No, I lived in the apartment with Tata and Bihai and Jay-Z. Who else did you not live with that? You fucking live with David Batty, this guy. What are you doing? What Airbnb company you tied to, bro? Stupid fucking L.A. kid that went on a dream called, believing it's rap shit. I was getting a bag.

I had already fucked up. I went on the journey, bro. That's dope. Yeah. I mean, shit. Ask them if I'm lying. Nigger, they're going to tell you. And my story, my story adds up.

Thank you. So these nigger stories don't add up. All right. What's the Jay Z living story? Uh, J's my label mate. First album. Priority. Yeah.

Right. Oh, yeah, that's right. Right. That's right. Yeah. So that's how you all connect. Yeah. And at some point, uh...

What did you think about them when you first met him? I actually protected him. Snoop shited on him. Who? Snoopy dog, our label mate, shited on him. Really? This is during the beginning of the East Coast West Coast shit? No.

When? This is East Coast killer, West Coast catpillus, little monkey niggas turned gorillas. I'm on the radio. I'm up and coming. We're all label mates. Snoop calls in and shit's on Jay-Z. And they ask me what I think about it. And I say, I think Snoop's wrong.

Y'all don't think he understood the bar. So I say, Jay-Z ain't sold no records. The company, you know, priority don't fuck with Jay-Z. But reasonable doubt is fire. I'm like. Reasonable doubt is already out? Yeah. Okay.

It's a failed record. Failed? Failed record. Yes, it's failed. Do the math. See when it comes out. See when the single comes out. I'm telling me what they execs her saying.

He, his B-side- Had knocked the hustle already came out as a single? No. uh dead press that president's come out they on the boxy record no ain't came out because they're never what independent asshole label would shoot a fucking record for b side right back then it's over i'm i'm telling you what the execs the bean counters are saying it was what you want to say this they're saying you in front of me i'm a i'm an artist too i'm signed for my amount of money whatever. They're like, no, we're never going to do that.

I'm like, I think it's fire. This album's incredible. And with the premier record, I'm like, this shit, fire. And I already know, bro. That's the Hawaiian Sophie niggins. Right. I know what I know. Now, maybe you bean counters don't know who you're dealing with.

Niggas fire. Snoop don't know. So I told my... So why did you think Snoop did that? I mean, I never... Because he didn't know it in that all east and west. This is the ice cubes? No.

What record is this? This is the first Jay-Z album. No, but the Snoop record. I don't know. That's how my issue. We got to get to the bottom of this, man. Well, you Google it and put it up on the shit right now. Google it, man.

And you picked the date. And I never heard this. I never heard of the date, nigg. You think I'm going to look crazy? I never heard the Snoop one had Jane like that. So anyway, we're on the radio and Snoop says the shit. And he's like, I didn't like what Jay Z said. You know what I'm saying?

I'm like. And I happen to be on a radio. I'm just like... But that line, East Coast, Killers, West Coast. That was on reasonable doubt? So that's Dead Press. Oh, okay.

No, East Coast, West Coast Killers. Wasn't that the Dre shit on the aftermath? Are you tipsy or are you fucking with me? No, I'm serious. Okay, so... On Dead Press, he says... Oh, you mean... East Coast, Body, Airs, West Coast, Cat Cater Cillars.

Little Monkey Niggas, Tonguebrillas. On Dead Press, which is one of my favorite records. I don't like the remix. I like the original. We have to talk very clear. When you say Dead Pres, everybody's going to think you're thinking about Dead Presidents, the group.

Oh, no, no, no, no. So, Dead Presidents, the record. Jay's Dead Presidents. Yes. So they all come out around the same time. Right. My album, Jay's record, who J's J.

And so I remember just being on the radio in L.A. And I had to defend in L.A. Jay's record. I was like, I don't think. the sophisticated ear would know that Jay-Z's not dissing LA. I said what I would find offense to is too much West Coast dicking, which is a different song. That's 222s.

My ears to the street on these bars. I'll tell you when a nigga talking slick, because I can talk slick too. I shoot at niggas, too. So whatever, we get, like, all your favorites can get it. but I don't think what Jay was talking about was that he was trying to do like Queens niggas talk different

than Compton niggas that talk different. It's like when I told Norrie, Rick Ross was insane, you, and hustling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a conversation we did have. Oh, damn. So with that being said,

I just always wanted, because I felt like you were lying to me. Who? You really had it? You remember? Hustling? The real Mori Yenge.

I told him, not you, but the worst. It's not you. Not at first. I didn't, I didn't. He did.

Oh, shit. No, don't worry. It's not you. Not the word. He wasn't worried. That was my innocence. Not you.

Not about you. I got over it fast. Wow. Yeah. Okay. You're a good friend. You guys have been good friends. Drink of that?

Really? Salue, yeah. Salute. Fuck it. Want to take a shot? No, I want to kill you. You need. You have a.

How do I like this? You want to kill me? Have some of this. No. I feel like you're... Dada Chico. Can I piss real quick? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I pissed a million times. Go for it. I'm going to keep it. I'm going to wait for you. I'll be right back. Okay, cool. Don't wait. Don't wait.

We won't go anywhere. I promise. Oh, Dan. You can't break back for real. Oh, Roller smoke, though. How's up? That's not. I'm really tips.

So I know I asked you earlier. What was your favorite album? What's the album? that you wish you could take back. You got 36 of them. Do you consider all 36? I do not believe that that's true, for one. Yeah.

You have 36 releases. Oh, stuff. Yeah. You consider them all out your album. Yeah. I believe it's... I mean, in 30 years, nigga? Yeah.

Oh, you got fun. I made stuff. I don't know. 30 years, man. Yeah. Thank you. It has been 30 years of, like, since the, People can't survive a solo night

This right here was No that's You don't have some money Look look The 20th anniversary of it I know it's crazy I like to think about it though On some real shit

You guys Think about the nips And the pox And the pigs And just not even to be able to celebrate 10 years Of a journey

And still legacies That affect us Yeah So for me I always just kind of find it Like I'm grateful To be here

I'm not comparing like oh I need what so-and-so got but like Nips like you know for Nipsey or big you know what I'm not even to be able to enjoy like your your kid turning so life is precious

like for real no no fuck shit so what's if you had a chance to do over you would say no I wouldn't do it all prior none none none that's fine I'm with I'm with everything I said, when I said fuck so-and-so, whatever I said, I meant it at the time. Right.

I ain't got no regrets, no regrets. You ever seen the tattoos? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No regrets? Meet the millers. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I'm totally okay with like, even if I feel differently now, at least I felt how I felt, at least, because these are time capsules about how I felt at the time. Absolutely time capsule.

So maybe I was mad at my mom. Maybe I was sad about this or whatever. These are time capsules. That's what art is. These people, everything that we do, every monument, even us as fucking children. Think about this from a philosophical standpoint. We are the culmination of everybody before us. Wild.

I'm talking about for however long you think people were made. That survived for you to be here today. We are just here. And now we're parents and we're creating art and whatever. We're like, fuck Caesar, fuck this, or I like Nike's. I mean, it's a beautiful journey, man. I'm trying to embrace the grind. I'm trying to embrace the journey and enjoy my life while trying to at least do a good job while I'm here.

You know what I mean? That's the, I would hope that's the most important thing is like, enjoy it, live it, love it, and capitalize off of it. I want big bread, but I think she had big fun. I do, my mom, my mom before she passed a long time ago, she fucked me up. And I'm going to share something personal. So my mother only just died about seven months ago. I got four sisters. I got four sisters.

Thank you. Thanks for the condolices. But that's not my issue. I got four sisters. three older, one younger. So what makes me tick has never been. And I'm a Creole. My mom from Louisiana, my daddy from Arkansas.

So I'm just clarified what the fuck I am. Ain't no nigga ever going to change me anyway because even when I was born in L.A., I used to be the darkest kid in my family. You a Latino? I'm a Creole. French blood, whatever. So I've always had a journey.

I wrote about it on my first album. You're not going to force me to do shit. always felt very strongly and had a strong protective family about self. I made many mistakes, but my family allowed me to make mistakes, and my homeboys did also help me too. But I think one of the things is part of this journey is the love part. I grow up Catholic as fuck. I know my seven sacraments.

I can grow up with whatever. Like, even in LA, like, you have to be all crypt shit. I'm telling you it was much harder to even identify with blacks, culturally. because I identify with Latinos. I mean, who's poor in Catholic in L.A. So I always feel like the bigger point is to express yourself. And I'm grateful to have an opportunity at 50 years old to be able to express myself

and be honest and hopefully not bitter and jaded and inform people. about, because I didn't listen to my father or my, I listened to my mother because she's a tyrant. She was a tyrant. She was awesome. But, you know, that we do better. Like, I want to be able to be in a place where I can give people games, gain people up, make sure, you know what I'm saying we're protecting what's most important, which is all our civilizations, all our people. how do we build bigger businesses.

And I really don't even think that we should even start celebrating people that have been celebrities because they don't deserve to be celebrated anymore. I think after $200 million, if you ain't helped nobody, then we shouldn't talk about you no more. If you make $200 million and you ain't out here really doing the people's work, you beat the Monopoly Board. Right. You're going to fold yours up

and then we're just not going to give you nothing. We'll find somebody else. Find somebody to help. I think we need to start bringing our energy differently. I don't have to shit on nobody for me to feel better. I don't think that our, like people are all like algorithms. Niggas act like algorithm is like, I don't know. Like God talking to them.

No, no. Niggas act like the algorithm is like, science like pie they were like so you know what I'm saying like certain degree shit freezes a nigger make it and guess what nigger he looked like

not like you Elon Musk changed and called it something different Twitter became X and nigger and beaner became a word way more often stop bowing to white people's

ideas because you are going to lose that game. Stop Latinos. You're not going to like this, but I'm going to say it. Stop thinking of your Spanish. Spain don't like you.

We do. Stop bowing to America. America has told you, you're not welcome here, except here's the truth. It's our land. We got to start learning how to love each other and stop letting these constructs change us from being

the best people we can. And that's really one of my bigger points about even this album and everything I've ever tried to make. You could take my money, but you can take who I was. You could take me being important, but I'll bar your favorite nigga out. You can't have

he can't beat me rapping. You can make it more important than me. I got a good face. I'll take your, I'll take his bitch. I do. I'm on that. I want us to like get back to, for the culture,

for business, we can on our own businesses. And I think that's kind of part of the reason why I've always stuck to my guns is because I came from a good family that supported the collectives. Because if it's just about you, then think about it. You become the person that only thinks about you. Think about it. Think about your billionaires.

And a nigga would be crying like, are you kidding? Are you kidding? You got a beat ticket. I'm doing that right now. Well, I mean, I expect that from them. I know our own kind that sit in fucking ivory towers all over and be like, but you're acting like, I'm like, are you kidding me? I've had to talk to people.

Have you ever talked to somebody that was so rich? But they're acting like I'm not, like, I'm like, my dude, our girl. Do you know how much money you have? Like, you're sitting in a fucking $120,000. a night, whatever. Like, you're, fuck, I met, have you ever met a princess? You have. You met a princess.

Have you ever met a real princess? Like a real, like, oh God, I've met a princess. Have you, that's a real? There are many different countries. I don't know. Have you never met a person in a prince? Let alone have you ever knocked a one. But the point is, yeah, it's people,

everything, in somebody's mind, they're the victim. But sometimes it's like, bro, are you kidding me? like you're super up you ain't never had a homeboy that's super rich and he's just like, they're gonna get me. I'm like, bitch, what are you talking about? You got,

nigga, you're filthy. And so I think to be honest, we talk, the audience wants to be, people want to feel, people want, that's why people watch it

because they want to either talk shit about people that they look up to. I just think ultimately the endgame about art is to express and share who we are because those are going to be like I even think drink champ again 10th season. I'm telling you, I think what you do is art because you get us all to fucking turn into our real selves. And I think that's inspiring. I think it's fun. And we all, you know, we know each other to some degree. Some shit got to get real.

and tell niggas when they're full of shit, you should, including me. You ready? Let me bounce around with the track list for a second. Lepers eat face. I've heard you say that before. Okay, in our interview. Yes, sir. So what does that exactly mean?

I know it's so explanatory, but let's just bring it down. You're about to roll a cigarette or hat? You can roll it. Don't smoke it. Did you smoke already? I'll go outside. I'll go outside. You said you were going to smoke a cigarette, did you?

No, I said I was earlier. I said I was going to go poop. Wow, well, relax, buddy. And then three came out like, yeah, right, you're like, I pooped already. So, yeah, I lost. I couldn't even poop. Like, it got weird. So lepers eat fish.

No, no, I'm sorry, no. No, all right, so the saying is actually like this. Don't put your face towards a leopard going. Right. So, yeah, it's a metaphor for like, if you already know what's going to happen and you do it, don't act like you're surprised if it happens. That's really the metaphor. So it was really about political shit. So really it was like Latinos for Trump. Yeah. You got a point at me, buddy. Hey, man. Not weird. I promised to God. I did not. I was just... No, I'm Cuban, but that wasn't me, man. Muslims Niggers for Trump

Whoever I did You can mute it That's what I call Niggers Niggers Hard art Hard art

Hard art for Trump If you know The dude Don't like you And you do I mean What you look at me I don't like

The news I want Look at times out He's blaming me He's You want me A blub Without the minus

The That's Boris Man Boris Boris Hold on. Can I get, can I just get the blunt? And then for the worst of it,

put a little sprinkle in that. No, he's going to give me cocaine. Yeah. I know it's kind. I know it's kind. Boris, look you up. Come on, bro. Let me get one.

Yeah, like a black. Like a black mouth. Oh, just a regular black mouth? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a regular. That sweatshers. I'm God. Yeah.

Just regular? Yeah. Yeah, I come with you outside to smoke a cigarette, right? Go on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got me back to it. Yeah.

You know how I was told, you know. Yeah, yeah. I would have done it, though. Yeah, no, no, no. That's doing. Is this cool? Can I put that here? Yeah, of course.

This is amazing. Thank you guys. Absolutely, man. You say you got two more questions? Yeah, yeah. You got to do a... Rory. I want more questions.

Well, I got some statements, actually. And question statements, okay. No, I want to do it. another death round. I'm just, you know my job is me against you. Okay.

Relax, relax, relax, relax. Relax. You're a relaxed guy. We've gotten drunk enough in our life. In fact.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Go back on? Yeah. Nah, so I just wanted to go back actually okay. To your sons because I just want to highlight them,

man. We didn't say Coast Contra. The contribution that they bringing in today is amazing. It's amazing. I know as a father, I don't need you to go in depth because I know you said, they could speak for themselves at some point, but you and Tidra

having these kids, I mean, and what they've become as artists, and I mean, I hope they've been good kids to you guys. Well, look, people go through journeys. I can only say that

I remember I hope this lands well. My first album was solo nights I wrote to me. By this album, the second one, I started writing to them. I've written because this is therapy for me. So I hope the culmination of anybody's journey is that you're explaining yourself in real time the people you love.

You know what I mean? Whether it's to my mother or to my sisters or to the love I lost. I'm like, y'all fucked up. You know what I'm saying? I went here. I made it left when I should have made a right. And if that affected you, what I'm trying to say. So for me, I write from a truth. I don't write from trying to get a money. Right. Some people are writing like, oh, you can get money. And if I just say the right thing, I can get a lot of money out of people. I never wrote from there. I always felt like, to be perfectly honest, my friends and my own horrible nature, I'm going to land on my feet. I'm

going to get some money. Right. I'm going to get, I'm going to take it out of somebody. like the other part of me my negative energy but my positive energy I've always tried to write from my heart not from really my ego and not from like

bitter I try to write from love and like and try to write from like what am I really experiencing in real time and so for me you know with them I want them to have their journey I'm still in my journey so they can write there as I'm writing mine their mom

that's her journey. Me and her what's behind closed doors with me and my sisters and you know I mean? But what's sorry to cut you, but what's dope is she's an incredible artist.

Of course. You're an incredible artist and then now you have these twin kids that have become incredible artists that have made incredible careers. But again, we're negating two other people.

Who's that? Coast Contra is not too negative. No, no, of course. So all I'm trying to share with you is again, I don't want, I don't even. even though how that affects those two people.

Right, right. So I want them people to have their journey. You mean the group as a whole? Yeah, I want those four people. Of course, but you're on our show, and we're talking about specifically you and them and part of that group. They're out of my dick. So what happens is when a boy and a girl like each other,

they... All right, the birth and the bees, buddy, relax. Right. Relax, relax. We get the person. Listen, let me give that. I'm going for it, right? Let me give Coach Contra of their props.

And it's not just your twins. It's the group as a whole. But because you're here, we're talking about the twins a part of that group. I love them. And what's dope is that oftentimes in hip hop, we say, oh, man, I wish these kids today would sound like blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what they did? They sounded like what we, blah, blah, blah. But even modern day version of what we want hip hop to sound like.

and better than even we thought that it could sound like. And I am extremely supportive. It's just I want them to have their... Let me find out you're competitive with your own kids. First of all. You want to battle them? You want to battle your kids? That would be weird.

I would give my sons my fucking lung. Okay, okay. I just want to make sure because you sound like you ready to... Like, what? No, no, no. They want to talk of this? I'm treading lightly because young men need to feel like young men. You don't want them to get props?

I want, no, I want them to feel like I'm not stepping on their toes. You're not. I'm just trying to tell you. It's a part of your legacy. Legacy is legacy. Well, again, narratives are narratives. And what I'm trying to do is with their mother, with them, with my family, is to make sure that, I mean, with my homeboys. You know what I'm saying?

That I say respectfully, like, it's really cool to talk about, you know, with Pete. when we were in real time, children's perceptions are different than parents' perception. And so I want them to be able to tell their story as opposed to me having my version. They'll tell theirs as they tell them. Progress, they will tell their stories

because they're making a great career for themselves and they will have... They make more money to me. But I don't want to keep talking about that. They will have their platforms to tell their stories. Right. All I'm doing right now is Eric paying homage to you.

Damn, dog. You erring to me, bro? Yes, I erring to me, bro. All right. I got in the left. So we'll move on from that. I love you. Love you.

Love what your sons are doing, by the time. I do, too. All right. Absolutely. I love what Coast Contra, not my son. Of course. I love what Coast. Come on, bro.

Obviously, man. Jesus Christ. He should take a shot for that, being superfluity. Yeah, you got to take your shot, bro. It alienates the other people. No, there are. dope, all of them are dope.

We're just saying specifically because you're here. If their dad was here, we say, fuck your sons. Dad! Oh, my God. That part. Don't mean that, by the way. Yes, you did. No, I meant it. Literally not.

No, it did. Literally not illiterally? I don't know. It didn't make sense either. Isn't that a Bay Area thing? No, no, no. That's a... So, L.A., different hoods do different shit. Okay. And then honestly, I think it's a New York thing.

Really? New York. I feel like that's fickerdale me? No, for real. Wait, but that would be Bay Area too, right? Ficketyoil me? No. No?

No, I'm telling you. I feel like E40 would say you figurediv me. You know what New Yorkers did? L.A. niggas would do like hood shit and click shit. New York niggas just started like. You know, they didn't want to touch your hand. No, you smell me. And I was with that.

You smell me. You smell me. You know, how's out of it. E40 made most of the slime. Stop it. He made all that. He, yeah, I say. Time's out.

I wasn't there, but most of L.A. slang and even Atlanta. And, yeah, let's start speaking on some other shit. I'm going to bring you all. I'm going to move this needle. Okay. A lot of L.A. sling is bass sling. A lot of the production of the south of Atlanta, because too short in E-40 win. It's highly influenced.

That's Bay Sound. even what LA does right now, that boom, boom, boom, last time that I checked is Bay shit. Yeah, for sure. Period. So we always, like hip-hop was created in the Bronx. Most people don't argue that at that morning.

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And New Yorkers are, like, and we're arguing, like, bitch, you did not wear white t-shirts because when I was in New York and, like, white, t-shirt. I remember I had a Rolex. I'm in Times Square at my hotel and the girls back then I'd date myself. But we wearing white T's with the Ralee

with the L.A. hat. But we bagging the girls in all the like we're like 18, but we're back in like 18 and like like we could get the girls at McDonald's.

That's how old we were. You know what I mean? I don't know that makes sense at all. When you're kid, when you're 18, upperly mobile. Is it McDonald's in Times Square? I thought you said McDonald's. No. I can get the girl McDonald's.

That's how old I'm. So in 19, 95 and 6 and 7, when you're not old, you're a teenager. And you, but the girls would be like, I remember one girl, like, she's like, why are you wearing your undershirt, y'all? in New York and we just yelled. We were like, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. This ain't no undershirt. Charlie would love this conversation. Oh, we were angry.

We were like, what do you mean? This was our suit. Uniform. Yeah, this is our uniform. She said, no disrespect. Why are you wearing your undershirt? So, like, for that to go from undershirts to Jay-Z making it, like, it's our uniform. I was like, that's not, no.

We wore white t-shirts, two pro clubs in L.A. This is before cash money was doing it? Stop it while you're behind. No, let's just be hip-hop. L.A. created the white tea. Knock it off. You do you? You guys created the black tea.

Who, Miami? But who's we? Atlanta, the South. But the T, as it fit, is an L.A. thing. It's a California. But I think cash money made it really big. Stop while you're behind. I actually think so.

You stop while you're behind. The YT, JZ, with it to the tilted bram. Was it JZ? I remember I don't know, guys. When we go to L.A. don't wear white tea. Right. But I thought the YT was a dope boy thing, that that was the dope boys. That's what I thought.

It's an L.A. uniform. We were taught to wear that. That's how girls liked you. You wear white T. If you got your money, up, you got two. You wore two? You would wear two.

That's weird. Okay. You left early. I did. I did. When did you leave, sir? Back and forth. How old were you?

When you really felt like, look, I could take it home. When I became Miami, officially, I was like nine years old. So I got dog ears. So my dog years are LA

and New York. Like when I had, we had a cousin, yeah, I had a cousin, then Harlem. So, dog ears. But I'm telling you, L.A. shit, white T's two. Look at the Mexican, look at the, look at the process. You don't need the khakis. You know what? When you say Mexican, that makes more sense to me.

We're all the same animals. The Mexican homies will wear the white T's. We're all the same animals. You don't know, the khakis. So the khakis, they were white with the khakis. Yeah, but you're missing a point. If you had money, you could wear Levi's. If you have a lot of money, you can have a guess.

So that was, khakis is broke. That's the uniform when you broke. Levi's a little bit of money. Now 3599. In guess. So. What's gays is going to guess?

I don't know. I'm like, I, I thought you said, in my mind you said the gap. But guess, you're right. Guess was the joint. You're right. So that's all, the process is the process. I didn't create the process.

I didn't create the culture. I'm just trying to tell you the truth of it. So yeah, khakis is what you would wear putting in work. Catkeys is I'm selling dope. Right. So I would see my friends and they have a jelly stain over here and a wootwam because. What's a wotwam? You should know, yeah, fan.

I don't know what the fuck of WootWWammer. All right, so I'm putting this out. I'm pointing to this camera. It's a nuts state? No, who went? Ask the whole brother's shit? Wow, who would get that? I don't know the fuck a WootwAMmy.

I'm fucking what you're going to. No, no, I'm talking about this guy. You got me here, bro. Relax, buddy. You said, I want to get your drug. All right, get drunk, but, okay, so look. So look, so what a WootWam was, all right, if you're a friend, if you're 12,

If you're 13, 14, 15, your friend stepped in, he's selling dope. You go see your friend, he got on the same outfit. It's the khaki suit, but his white t-shirt got stains. Like, a nigger than eight, like niggas would sleep in the bush. Just like a Queens nigga, but when you selling. Yes, the guy's slaying. So he's outside. So he's being outside literally.

Mr. Lee, you're scaring us, bro. It's getting his brand up. So that would be the thing. So I would go see my friends. But on the white tea, it gets to tell all your stuff. So you're like, bro, you got coffee stain, you got a little blood stain. Like, what the fuck are you doing? So that's what would happen.

That's why the white tea, the black tea is a better idea. But in L.A., that was the culture. I didn't invent a culture. Black tea is more practical. I think you guys are smarter for it. But that has none of do with the price of rice in China. You made the black tea a piece of? I don't know.

He said Miami, but maybe, I think so. I think Atlanta did it. I think Atlanta did too. I think Atlanta. Let me tell you something real quick. As a L.A. Transplant to Miami, one of the most proudest things that I found out was that Two-Lyprew was born in L.A. I didn't know that. You just fucked me up.

You didn't know that? Never in life. What? Get the fuck out of you. They were all military guys that were in L.A. But not Luke, though. Everyone was... No, except Luke. Luke is Miami.

He needed some crazy fuck. So you had Mr. Mix. Wow. Brother Marquise and... They were always nice to me. And Fresh Kid Ice. From L.A. Brother Marquise has record.

with ice teeth back in the days. Well, back in the days, dog. And they started, they started the group together. Wow. And then Luke brought them over and saw the vision. And then they all made.

So for me, as an LA transplants in Miami, I'm like, this is me, baby. Tons out. Focus in on this camera. No, what are you made?

Don't cry. I'm crying. Why are you crying? That was amazing. No, that is We can... L.A. and Miami, you can share. Hey, Miami Life.

That is amazing story. Come on, man. Oh, yeah. In Miami Life, you know that he did the song, Miami Life. For what soundtrack was it? The Substitute. The Substitute.

So it's funny because in Miami, because I'm here, and he made it, and I was in the scene, they were like, what the fuck, Rass guys is doing a song about Miami Life?

No, everybody... Well, my... No, no. The original people, originally, people were new. They were like, who the fun? They were little... No, no, no. They knew who you were.

They were just a little upset. Like, why didn't they pick a Miami person for this? But I actually, I don't know if you remember. I actually reached out to you shortly maybe after. I don't know how long after, but, and we, we. Is that how we locked in? I think so. I don't know how.

Whatever. Okay. Drunk memories, but, but talk about Miami life. All right. Which is a great song, by the way. Okay. My biggest issue about soundtrack. where, especially L.A. soundtrack, so obviously I'm from L.A.

I'd be like, where are these other songs from? But hold on. Can I pause you for a second? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Because I want to give context. I don't think even Nory understands it. So there's a movie called The Substitute, right? Remember what's the other movie that came out of the L.A. one? Was Eddrawer, James Olmos? American Me? Remember Stan Deliver?

Yeah, but American Me is way... No, no, but that's not a high school movie, though. Right, right, right. Sam the liver was, remember the high school movie? He was the teacher, right? Right. So another movie came out called the Substitute, which happened in Miami, though. Right.

And Carl Gables High, actually. Okay. And I don't know if it was based on the true story, but they filmed it in Miami, actually. And they were hitting on it? No, so it was like the other movie with Edward James almost, and then he made, and then Lean on Me as well. In the same vein. But you know, he was based on a real person. He made one of the lead singles.

Joe Clark. So he made the lead single Miami Life off of that soundtrack of a movie that's based on Miami. So can I land. So you and Pit Bull was hating on that. No, people wasn't. People was rapping like me. People was dragged on at that time. That part.

Yeah. No. So my biggest argument about soundtracks was. Even if you're not from the place, make it sound like. You know, when you ain't nobody and you're just trying to get on, my whole shit was like, if I get a chance to get on something, make it about the movie, make it about the place. I mean, like, I don't want to hear a soundtrack about we in Mars,

but the nigga like, oh, I'm in Neptunes. I don't want to hear that. So my whole shit was, I got an opportunity, and it was called The Substantial. but they show you, you know what it is, you know what it is. You're going to see trailers, you're going to see all the shit. I'm like, well, fucking make it about the place. You didn't get to see the actual movie?

No. Had you been in Miami yet? Hmm? You had been. Yeah, I had already been. Like, your family, like Tidro would have been. No, no, no, no baby mama. Okay.

There's no kids. Okay. It's just me having an opportunity. But you've been out here, though. Yeah. Okay. I've traveled. I've been with Culeo.

I've, like, the homie's been up, bro. You know what I've noticed about a really good memory. Yeah, his memory's impeccable. But he drank a lot, which is weird. He has good memory, so I'm very suspicious of you right now. I'm kidding. Miami nights.

Michelle. Millie. No, Millie, bro. Millie. You can't give her another name all of a sudden. She's got to kill me. Sorry, Meli. Sorry, sorry.

I was talking shit. Please, don't kill me. You're good. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you. Okay. So long so be short

No I didn't So my opinion's about movies Like the soundtracks didn't match the movie So I was like if I ever get a chance I'm gonna mirror the movie That was my whole thing And so when I got an opportunity The first one I got was the street fighter soundtrack

The Street Fighter? Yeah the Street Fighter soundtrack The original Street Fighter sound track He was on that joy? That's how I get my first fucking source quotable. I got to go back

I bet you. We went all around the planet pitching and no one hit it which is being severe. Oh yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Period. But now I'm on a soundtrack. I'm like, but it's in Miami. And I'm like, I've been there. I'm not from there.

But let me start learning. Right. Like I don't want to write some shit and be talking about some shit. and talking about a street that don't make another sense to a street, I just want to like, because if nothing else, honor the place. You know what I'm saying? If the movie is about being in Miami, being in high school,

well, I just came out of high school, I need to understand the best I can about money, the best I can't. You know what I'm saying? In my small experiences, by honor the movie, honor the place. That's, look, it don't cost you none but a little bit of time to learn. Right. I'd rather do it.

So that's why I did it, Miami Life. I was just like, really I called it Miami Vice. I was going back and forth between Miami and L.A. And then the company was like, well, just keep it. They said you wanted to name it Miami and L.A.? No, I was going to call it Miami Vice. Oh, no, I think Miami Life was the better. Right.

But when we made it, I wrote it. I knew people here. I had been here I saw the like trailers of the movie I understood what it was about and I was thinking about me in high school I had homies that were in the movie as extras that were real gangsters

that played gangsters and I just wanted to honor the city you know what I'm saying like I've been here like I don't want to be on no fuck shit and be some out of town and like why is the soundtrack got this nigga from way over here

now you did justice now you did justice I tried Probably my best. No, it was dope. It was dope. I tried. At least I gave a fuck.

No, it was dope. I thought it was super dope. I think, I mean, for hip-hop heads, we appreciated it. Yeah, walk these streets were more heat than Alonzo morning. Yeah. Originally, when I first was like, what, Radzis did this? Oh, okay. It was dope.

Yeah, I just wanted, again, not my home. But I've been here. It's, you know, I just wanted to honor that. So think about it. It's like if Raz did Lefract life. Right. Right. If you're like, if you're like, well.

If you're like, well. Let's just take us all of the equation and just say, you're going to write a movie about a high school in Baltimore. Fuck, at least do some research. I just want to learn. Now you said some shit that resonated with us. Right. So I just, for me, young boy, I'm just like, I talk some shit.

then I got challenged. Like, well, you don't like when these soundtracks don't be sounding like LA soundtracks. They give me in Miami. I'm like, well, I got homies there, you know what I mean? Like, it's not my home, but let me try my best to at least be true to the movie.

Right. I mean, I'd be true to the people. Right, right. And I'm a kid. So whatever. Again, true in movies. 17, let's be true to the art of the movie and trying to say this stuff. which is, I guess,

I attempt at narration. Not really acting, just narration. Like, I'm just trying to narrate, like, how many, you know, like, I'm launching Rockinson. I'm launching Rockinson's Scuds and Crocker than Tubbs. Anti, Pull of more rum than my time, and then spite high school, I'm just trying to say,

I'm refusing to listen to what the PTA say. Fuck a 4.0 GPA. I got a GTA with an ETA of 3 o'clock. So shake the spot like Luke and the girls in the days you do. Specific. I'm trying to be

extremely specific. And I'm just thinking how I would feel at the time we're younger. So I'm like five years back. But if I was in high school and I'm mad, like fuck these people. But trying to honor, I think that's

part of writing. Is it like I'm not 15. anymore. I'm not 20, but sometimes you feel we're humans. I'm sure you can remember.

You look at your kids and turn into your 15-year-old. You see yourself and your child. Did my apartment for cutting you off? Yeah, yeah. Daisy Bell just use your song. Love you. Thank you. Yeah, bring that up, man. Yes, sir. Off the album. Yes, sir.

So, um... A new album. So you get You get that props. I got recent props. Thank you. Okay, yeah. I don't know what I'm saying. You get the residual direct.

That record is done too, man. Because that's not, you don't have distribution, right? This is fully independent? Totally independent. Oh, so whatever. An incredible album, guys. Go straight direct to you. How that's pretty dope?

And that song is good. Thank you, bro. All right. Uh, humble. Okay. Super humble. So, um, made the record. I'm a, I doomscroll.

I ain't gonna lie. I'll be watching shit. I end up watching like pandas and shit. I mean? Like, I was like, oh, my God, the pandas are amazing. All right. They are, though.

They are. So I was doom squirrel in one time. I come across the shit about these lions in South Africa. Wait, doom squirrel? I didn't catch on. Oh, oh, bro. That's what it's called. Okay, okay, I didn't know that.

I mean, you were. Yeah, I didn't know that. You don't know. You don't stop. You just keep going. Yeah, I'm telling you. I thought it's called binge watching. No.

I mean, that it is. Same difference. But it's modern days, Doomscro. Okay. So, like, when you watch the whole sopranos in one sitting, that's not, that's binging. That's binge watching. When you scrolls, any other platform?

Any other platform? Doom scrolling. Because eventually it's going to be something, you're going to die. The alien is going to get you, whatever. So I think that's why they call Doomscrow. Anyway, I was watching. So we're not going to die, and the aliens are not going to come? No, not you. I was saying that's what the things I...

You know, I talk in my little lovely voice. So good. That's the L.A. thing. Okay. We get nice. Before the evil comes out. Okay. Go, you know, guy.

So? I don't think he's going to kill me. What? I don't know. We're going crazy. So go what happened. No. You knew what I was saying.

I feel like he just became you and you became hit. Right. I don't know what happened. right now, bro. I get into this. Yeah, y'all too go out there. Y'all secret L.A.B. No, right, right.

I didn't know. I was getting L.A. You got me catching this whole interview. Yeah. Are you thinking of what you? Yeah. I'm just seeing. Yeah, I take it.

Thanks, that's what happened? I do not want to smoke, please. So when you get, when you get that call, is it Dave Chappelle? Yeah, Dave Chappelle. See, you see, bro. You just went wild right now. I know, I did. Yeah, you did.

You went crazy, bro. So go, Dave Chappelle, go. Stay focused. Yeah. RASCast, stay focused. Oh, shit. Uh-oh. So then I'll go.

The Razzcast. That's got to be the clip, right? Dave Shepeld. All right. No, so here's how it goes. Now, so cool thing. Just dooms scrolling, come across this thing. I think it's super interesting.

I get very inspired. It's about these lions. They basically react differently than all lions have ever reacted. because basically what happens in most mammals, which even in the world we live in, it informs a thought in my head. So what happens with most, I'm telling you, squirrels, moose, mammals.

This is getting deep. Way deeper than ditches. I'm a smart niggas. Never get it fucked out. I mean, smart as deep is weird. No, it's not weird. So bar, real quick. So most animals,

if they're animals most mammals oh mammals mammals tend to murder the children of the bitch they want therefore Deschapel I'll get there

I love him I'll make this fast so it becomes who's loud no don't worry about it it's Millie and Boris okay so you're watching so you're watching law

So long story short, I was watching love and hip hop and then I doomscrowed into the lines. The point of the lines is that they behave differently. So I made a song out of it. And then I couldn't finish it. Eventually, Tupac's brother hits me. It was like, I heard this record you made. Because it's six. The story is about six brothers.

I couldn't get everybody I wanted. I had like Moprene I la la la like like whatever so we get the record

together put the record out we give it out from free fast forward like a month and a half

I get a call basically from Chappelle's no not basically from his exact producer who used to work a priority

and she's like that war with Chappelle yeah his exact producer I didn't see her in fucking 15 years

I get a DM on the the gram. I heard somebody had hit me like, yo, Chappelle came out to your shit. Like this thing, I put out like a month ago. Like he was already doing it in his shows? No, he came out one night.

Like, I put out the record two months, a month and a half later. Somebody texts me like, bro, I was in D.C., Chappelle came out to your record. One out of 100,000 people was like, bro, he came out to your shit. I'm like, that's super cool.

blessing, which is cool. But this is not the live show that aired. No, that is it. Oh, that is it? So you already knew they gave you the heads up? No, no. What I think is he comes out to everything. Who cares?

Oh, you didn't know. No, niggas come out to doon, doong, do that. Who cares? I mean, I'm like, tell him I said thanks. I'm saying, like, I wasn't there. That was in D.C., bro. Just so. You didn't know that I was going to be that?

Of course not. Right. I mean, we're all aware of each other. We say thank you. So it's not a big deal to me. I'm just like, hey, man, that shit's telling him I said thanks. It's dope. He came out at his home.

He from D.C. Right, right, right. So I'm like, that shit. You know the special was going to do that? No, not at all. You didn't know that was the special. Nobody knew that. Nobody knew it.

So apparently it resonated with, bro. The whole line shit, that's why he showed it the way he showed it. So we got the Netflix special. Great bad, great opportunity. I was able to watch it with him. With him? Yeah, he brought me out to kick it with him, bro. To Yellow Springs?

No, no, he was in Beverly Hills. You know what I'm saying? Sorry, buddy. See, this is when the West goes wrong. You're my big brother. Don't attack me. What's the same thing? What's about, bro?

Sorry. No, that was it. So it was really cool, man. It just came out, like, genuinely. You got a sip here. Don't count. Yeah, you definitely didn't sip that. You had to control, Raz.

You're out of control. Hey, you ain't got to... You don't have to golf, bitch. Son of big golf. Yeah. Come on, Nora. All right. So, hold on.

One of the last thing before we leave. Okay. Are we done? We're almost done. We're about to be done. Yes, Raz. About to be done. You all love me?

We did three hours, buddy. We rocked and rolled. We rocked and rolled, buddy. Oh, my God, buddy. Listen, listen. I want to pay homage to our homie da Vinci, a Miami producer that passed away recently. That worked with you. And can you just get some words for Da Vinci, please?

I know his family would appreciate it. I would love to. So, and like I said, I would, whoever the fuck is talking she's shut out I knew it was you no man thank you

don't talk thank you okay so my my journey's with you I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out our journey of course

friendship I don't have a regret and knowing you I hope you don't have regret knowing me well, it's no funnies, but you can make fun of me. I love you, and I really appreciate you.

And I met so many great brothers here, and I remember, like, even us going to go, like, getting the deal and going to K-town and everything. And so, you know, those are the things that are true. So with Da Vinci, he knew Raz and Tides before they rap. Your kids. They were there recording. With Da Vinci?

Mm-hmm. Wow. So, so, so the Coast Contradictory Coast, they were there. That was. They were there, they were there, even with Rio Loh. Wow. Facts are facts. I'm not here to try to do magical stories about what didn't exist.

No, no, no, no. So my sons and this journey, like, DaVinci, we were working on a record. Did you connect with Chip? I'm going to say this right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. Y'all good. Yeah, yeah.

So you guys are going to work on those records. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his mom and, come on, man. No, his mom, their family wants his music to be out there. His mom and Chip. So Chip will get that done again. And I want to just say something really quick. DaVinci worked a lot with Dilla.

With Jay Dilla's family. Yeah, and I know. And we would be remiss. So I, with my dudes, with tone, like, it's all family, I let them know where I stand. And that's what love is because, you know, people trying to get in because it's cool to hang out with people, it's not the same thing as like loving people. So still my brother. I was talking to Da Vinci, which. is, you know,

provable. I was working on a record. I was trying to get him, like, fix this hook. I was like, bro, I ain't got the hook. I got a song from five years ago when I was in a different space

called I just want to forget it all that he made with his own boy. I'll play it for you. And I still want to put it out. It's crazy. But what I like is the love. And I want everything going right to where it should go. Give it to the family.

How we build each other. Because at the end of the day, we will end up on the wall. And one thing you can't take it all. And you hope to end up on a wall. I don't want to end up in the ground. See, if you end up in the ground with nobody stepping on your fucking bones after your families, then what was your bloodline about? I went in on the wall

not for my vanity for my family's hard work that's why you do this so long live drink champs long live let me ask you one more question I heard you say earlier that you was in New York with a white tea and a Rolex

and then I've seen you in a couple of interviews and you had a cardiac and now you got a big boy Nautilus you know what I mean That's the road's goal, right? Yeah. Are you, are you going to protect?

Yeah, that's the other. Protect, yeah. You're a big watch guy? Not really. I'm just, I'm a jerk. I just like fly shit. Okay. I'd be like, what is that?

I want one. I want them boys. My car game is one thing. My watch game is, I don't even like, so even this. Right. I designed it. I won a BP on to give it like Kendry.

If you're born to race, in L.A. I want them beefy. Why are you L.A. racist right now? I'm not being L.A. racist. I'm just saying. I'll do it for New York. I want to create your state. So I may... Oh, so who that says? L.A. on there? No, it's just California.

Okay. It's California. Oh, it's the state of California. Right. So I'm going to go for New York. Oh, that's my... Oh, that's right. Like, I want to be... Now, Florida looks like a gun. I want to be the first one.

Florida State looks like a gun. Represent your shit. Mm-hmm. That's it. I think it would be a way. Yeah. Like, I want to make them beefy, but it was my idea I finally built, son. Like, I'm from California. I'm born and raised.

My mom from Louisiana, my daddy from Arkansas. I'm from L.A. I'm just trying to build, son. I want to beefy and I want to have enough money to bless niggins. You know what I mean? Like, I love to come up here and, like, be up and just, you know what I mean? You being from Queens. Yeah.

Make your queen shit. Make your city shit. Go up. No, that's a dope idea. I didn't realize that. Yeah, it's Cali, Lee. I made that. Oh, I'd be remiss.

Good. He's peeing. Nor, you know or you know me. Sometimes I have fun. Let's see. Yeah, I'll have another drink. I know. I want one.

Michelle's shitting on me. You nearly. What he talks like, is he poop? I got a free. Oh, I'm gonna take up. Jesus. You can bother him for the seat. Come on.

That's hilarious. Come on. You love me. You know me. Let me be a dick. Yes. Come on, bro. Oh, shit.

You can't even forget my shirt. You know what? I can't. I can't. Millie. Oh, no. No. He know.

Take another joke. You know he knows so many dirtier things about me. That is. Man, I don't even know. No. He did. Holy shit. We went to some weird.

We're at some weird party. You know all kinds of my... He knows. He knows who's queer about me. So, um, is there anything you think we got to, um, say anything before, before... Oh, okay. He's like, Mike, I'll have ringbone. Okay.

What the fuck was that word? Nah, listen. No, real quick, real quick. Bang on me. No. Look, I'm trying to create a... No, serious shit. Serious shit.

I'm sorry. First of all. Um, Thank you, bro, because you got on my album, you got on my mixtapes. I never liked you. And that makes me thank you even more. Because I literally wouldn't be here today if artists didn't believe in what I was doing and mess with me. And obviously, this is the biggest example of it, Norris.

Yo. And, come on. The regular, like, you've been brilliant. I was before, I knew him before you even stepped in

in brilliance, and that's dope. It's just, that's what it takes. It takes us. Jameson. Honestly. So,

all's well. So thank you, bro. I'm not going to talk about your fetish with midgets or, or, or spite playing. All's well here. Oh,

who? As I'm going to. See. This is where it gets weird. Let's pick in the picture. Oh, wait. But watch out. Watch out.

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