Drink Champs - Episode 5 w/ KRS-ONE

Episode Date: April 22, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN drink it up with the legendary KRS-ONE and discuss everything from his legendary battle with MC Shan to his thoughts on the Drake and Meek battle and a lot more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is Drinks Champion Radio, where every day is New Year's Eve. Let's go! Yo, Hank, Hank, Sangria. This is your boy N-O-R-E. What up, this is DJ EFN. And right now, we are blessed with the legendary presence. Beyond blessed. So we got to make some noise?

No, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Because the intro was crazy. Yeah. This guy right here. Like, listen, listen. Yo. It's beyond legendary status.

They have the godfathers. And this man is directly like my father in lyrics, like in style. And I directly try to be like this man right here. And I send out the APB, try to make it happen. Let's pick up Hakeem Green off top. Channel Live. Channel Live, Spark Madism. We love you, Hakeem,

but we got the blast master. We got the teacher. We got the father directly. Temple of hip hop. All that. The master. The dude who made it cool to learn

in music and still be entertained. You could be smart and you could still thug it the fuck out. Yo, the other day, I'm going to be honest. I'm watching Ride Along 2. And at the end of Ride Along 2, my kids, they are eight and they are six. And they sung. They said, woo, woo, this the sound of the police. And at that moment,

I knew I was a great father. I knew at that very moment I was a great father when my kids knew the sound of the police. We have the one and only, legendary, you can't say hip-hop

without KRS-One, in the building, Drink Tips, make some noise! Oh, my God god We have landed Yo You know what the crazy shit is I'm gonna start the interview off like this

When I was locked up In a juvenile detention center I had a CO Who was taking care of me Right He was you know Holding me down And he could have snuck me weed

He could have snuck me Liqu, he could've snuck me liquor, he could've snuck me books, but I wanted that criminal-minded album. This is real shit. This is, you know how much of a big KRS fan I am. That's, the track I wanted to do was Y'all Two Together.

That's how long he's like, yeah. I'm the biggest KRS-One fan, man. Let's just make some noise for him being in the building. One more motherfucking time. Come on, come on. Cheers, cheers. Yo, yo, we got the fucked up noise making. So Blastmaster KRS-One, how does it feel to be in Miami?

How long you been coming out here? Oh, man, don't even start. We get into the history of that. Right. Yo, man, I've been coming to Miami since, what, like 87? We were coming up here, man, struggling, trying to be heard. And there was only a few places that actually embraced us. Philly was always right there.

Philly. Philadelphia, just the whole Philly. That's interesting. We went from New York to Philly. Let me start. So you think that New York artists, is that like the first market? Because that is for me, too. Like Philly was the first, then Connecticut.

That's right. And see, look how you said that. Philly was the next, and then Connecticut. Connecticut is right on top, like right there next to the Bronx. But Philly would get it first. Philly would hit you first. If you did New York and Philly, Connecticut, Yonkers, all up. Boston was trying to see you, maybe some of the south like that.

So going down to I-95, man, was like, I mean, big up to VA, North Cackalack, South Carolina. It was sort of like a rites of passage. You had to get out of New York, go down each city, each state on the I-95, and your final victory was Miami. If you made it down here. Now what year are you talking about? Oh, man. See, this is where MCs was real. Right.

Straight up. You had to do clubs. Let me take you to the 90s. Let's come around 92. Yep, that's where I'm. Somewhere around 92. I was in jail where I'm. Somewhere around 92. I was in jail. Right around there.

Khaled was just starting. He had a thing called the temple. And even right before that. Even before that. No, the 92 was like a little before that. Because Mother Superior was right before Khaled. Oh, yeah, Mother Superior. Wait, wait, wait.

Actually, you know who Nardwar is? No. He's this guy who interviews people and he brings out props that will remind you of stuff. I have a prop. Okay. I have a prop. Okay. Okay.

This is what I got at a KRS-One show in 92. Let's make some noise for Ian Fitt having a KRS-One autograph on a tennis ball. And that's my autograph, too. It's authentic. Authentic. So we're going to put that on eBay. It was a show that was supposed to be at this spot called Underground Compound and it got shut down by the cops and we moved it to Zulu headquarters. That's authentic. Authentic. So we're going to put that on eBay. It was a show that was supposed to be at this spot called Underground Compound, and it got shut down by the cops, and we moved it to Zulu headquarters.

That's right. There was no, the AC wasn't on. We took the whole crowd with us. People were faking in the audience. It was one of the. And he started throwing these balls. That was crazy. That was 93, 94?

I was in high school. It was like 92, 93 at the least. At the least, right? Well, it started right there Wow So you've been coming to Miami since then? Since then, breaking it down Crushing Miami

And was it a hip-hop scene out here back then? Well, back then Luke was the man out here Two live crew was straight destroying the South There was nothing else really happening To be honest with you. But there was always that boom-bap element. I just have to say Florida,

because from Miami all the way up to Tallahassee even, even Gainesville, Jacksonville, all that's boom-bap. That's all hardcore up there. But Luke. But there was that divide for us in the city between the bass scene and the boom bap scene. That's right. There was a divide.

I mean, it had its own audience. It had its own audience. And it was seen a lot as a New York thing, but we were trying to build that identity for ourselves. But our thing was way smaller. But I think the New York thing was way smaller. 2 Live Crew, Luke, that whole sound. So you're saying from the beginning when 2 Live Crew, Luke, that whole sound.

So you're saying from the beginning when Two Live Crew came, the South immediately accepted them as opposed to New York. You had to be hot in New York first before you go to Philly. Wait a minute. The second part is true. Yes, you had to be hot in New York first to go to Philly with the exception of like Tap Money, Three Times Dope, Steady B, even Jazzy Jeff, Fresh Prince. They blew up in Philly and convinced New York

what it was. But you have, back then, the bass scenes, I'm trying to think of dudes that were not so popular, but Miami had a bass scene. Like MC Shy D. Shy D, come on on let me hear that Come on that's right And these dudes were doing it

The ghetto style DJs That's right So Luther Campbell and 2 Live Crew Was on top of that They came up out of that scene They didn't really invent it But they was just sort of The popular ones that was doing it

And Luke was just I went to one of his concerts one night. Yo, you wouldn't believe what was going on. And then on top of that, what makes it really, really hip hop

on that level is that 2 Live Crew was the ones that were dragged into court on obscenity charges. And had they lost that case, rap would be sounding a whole lot different right now.

They're the parental advisory. Let's make some noise for that happening. Come on. Yo, you motherfuckers, clap your hands or we're going to kick y'all out. Come on. That's right. Wow. Even when you're rolling a blunt, man, stop and clap your fucking hands, alright? We got the blast master in the fucking building, alright? So, you got that

thing that I want to set up? Alright, play that. Play that real quick. I want to set up? Yeah, yeah. All right, play that. Play that real quick. I want to play something for you. One of the greatest calls I ever got in my life. And is that up? Has? No, yeah.

It's cool. What's up, my brother? I'm up, man. It is the gnarly gnarly show. That's right. My brother, what's going on, man? I just missed your call, man. Yeah, man.

I got you on speakerphone right now, man. Let them dudes know, baby. Let them dudes know you the godfather of hip-hop, cool, hurt. Yeah, I'm the order. I'm the first. Number one. Not five, not 10, not 12. Number one.

That's right, baby. You the original OG. I could go for a few, but I'm calling on you. And you're the soldiers. Fall in line. Let's get this money. That's right, baby. You know I love you.

It's over here, man. It's overseas, man. Absolutely. You know I love you to death, Kool-Aid, man. You know what I mean? I love you, too. I love you, too, brother. I got your record in my repertoire when I go on the road, man.

All right, baby. Hold on. I'm going to take this off of this shit so you can speak private. But, ha, ha, ha. All right, baby, hold on. I'm going to take this off of this shit so, man, you can speak private. But, yo, man, just let the people know one more time,

this is my dyslexia album, man. Tell them, niggas, you know what I mean? Word, I got an album called Dyslexia, man. You're the realest in this game, my brother. Realest, man.

I like the movie it was in, too, man. Aw, thank you, man. This the Godfather, Kool Herc, or the game speaking to y'all fucking assholes. Kool Herc right here. Tell them I'm the father, not the Godfather Kool Herc or the game speaking to y'all fucking assholes. Kool Herc right here.

I'm the father, not the Godfather. Godfather secondary. I'm the first. You're the father. The father. Alright, my brother. Hold on. I'm going to hit you right back. Alright, Herc? Yeah, yeah. Alright, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, one day I got a call from Kool Herc. Okay. Right? Which is, for me,

I'm a real hip-hop guy. You know what I'm saying? I respect everything that came before me. And when Kool Herc. Okay. Right? Which is, for me, I'm a real hip-hop guy. You know what I'm saying? I respect everything that came before me. And when Kool Herc called me, I had called him something. I said, you're the godfather of hip-hop. And I said it once, and he let it slide. And then I

said it again, and he let it slide. But then the third time I said it, I said, Kool Herc, let these motherfuckers know you the uh godfather of hip-hop he said normie hold on let me stop you i am the father do you agree with that statement yes i totally agree with the statement there's there's huge debate on it okay because everyone wants to take credit for hip-hop now for its origins. We call, technically to be scholarly correct,

Kool Herc is called the recognized father of hip-hop. The recognized father of hip-hop. We call him the father of hip-hop. Alright. And the reason we call him the father of hip-hop is because Bam called him the father of hip-hop. Grandmaster Kaz called him the father of hip-hop is because Bam called him the father of hip-hop. Grandmaster Kaz called him the father of hip-hop.

Pee Wee Dance and Grandmaster Flash from this group and Crazy Legs called him the father of hip-hop. Now, this is a family situation. All these guys, we all know each other. And they know each other. But you're their younger homies, correct? Oh, yes. No doubt. Go ahead.

No doubt. Herc calls me the son of hip hop. Listen. Because... Okay. Let me break it down for me. Yes. Right?

For me. All right. For me, when I heard Herc say that he was the father, I automatically saluted that. Never. Yeah. And then I thought of Bambada as the godfather. Yes. And then I think of you, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, as the fathers.

Right. And then after that comes Wu-Tang. Like, we're your little cousins. Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, the Fat Joes, the Capone and Noriegas, the M.O.P. We're actually your sons direct. Like, I don't know Paul's. I know these new generation. But you're actually our fathers.

Right. Like you, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane. And so I have to ask this question, with that being said, with the name being. Like how is hip-hop supposed to respond to the Bambaataa? Like how are we supposed to do that? What angle you want to take it from? I just don't know. That's why it's a generic question

which what what should we do because you're you being our father sure whatever you say i have to move accordance to it well you know i with the first of all controversy is not truth. What you want is truth right now. You want truth. But truth is also not information. It's not gossip. It's not even conversation. For me, if you keep it hip-hop, nothing can be taken away from

Africa Bandbodies Contribution. Nothing. Just keep it hip-hop. Right. But if you want to dig into dude's personal life and the accusations that's being made

and so on, personally, me personally, I don't give a fuck. Right. Personally. Right. Look, if somebody was harmed

or whatever was done, y'all deal with that shit. What? Deal with it. Right. That don't stop hip hop. Right. That don't stop

what you did for hip hop. Take away the legacy. Don't take away nothing. History's history. Right. But deal with it. Right. That don't stop hip-hop. Right. That don't stop what you did for hip-hop. Take away the legacy. Don't take away none of it. History is history. Right. Right. But deal with that. That's personal.

I don't even know what to say. Because I don't know the facts of the case either. No, but even if you knew the facts. Right. You know what I'm saying? A person like me, I deal with dudes that are questionable all the time. Right. Not just if the accusation is rape.

Right. I know dudes that are doing, you know what I'm saying? If you know anybody from prison, if you know anybody from the shelter, if you know anybody, if you live really in the hoods, you know shooters, you know dudes running from the, you know your man might have an open warrant on him right now. Right now. Like, right now.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. You know, I'm not judging these motherfuckers, man. It's my nigga right here, yo. That's it. Right, right.

Now, what you do and your crime and your shit and your bullshit, whatever you doing, that's on you. That's you, my G. That's whatever you doing. That's how I always dealt's you, my G. That's whatever you doing.

That's how I always dealt with it. I can't pick and choose, say, yo, this dude right here. I mean, I was producing Just Ice's album, right? Who's crazy? I heard he came to Queensbridge by himself. Is this story true? Oh, yes, it is. Yeah, yeah.

Let's make some noise for Just Ice. And we changed the subject, too. I was uncomfortable. Let's change the yeah. Let's make some noise for Just Like Me. Just like me! And we changed the subject too. I was uncomfortable. Let's change the subject. Let's go. Yeah, but... I mean, he was on America's Most Wanted, is my point. Whoa, whoa, let's make some noise for him being on America's Most Wanted as well.

Come on, God damn it. This is real hip hop shit. This is real hip hop shit, man. Hip hop is in the world like everybody else, like every other culture. We in the world too. Like politicians with dirty backgrounds. Like politicians with dirty words. Bottom line is, we are humans.

Yeah, that's right. All of us are humans. We are all humans. That's right. But now, with that being said, right, what is your favorite MC battle? Because, I mean, you don't have to, you can include yourself if you want to. But what is your favorite MC battle? To be honest with you, I mean, there don't have to, you can include yourself if you want to, but what is your favorite MC battle? To be honest with you, I mean, there's a lot.

There's a few that I really enjoy. Whichever comes to the top of your head. The first one that comes to my head is Freeway and Cassidy. For me... Let's make some noise for KRS-One. Knowing what's going on in the streets. Back to Philly. You know what's going on in the streets.

No, no. I mean, it's an old battle. But if you talk about showmanship, you know, instant rhymes on deck right there. That was hot. Okay. Yeah. You know, I got to ask you about the Drake and Meek Mill. What's up?

How did you like it? Did you like it? Is it even a battle to you? Is it your top 20 battles? I think it gave both of them credibility. In what way? I need you to break that down. Well, because for me as an MC, like when people say top five, okay?

Everybody got their top five. You know what I'm saying? But if you ain't battled, if you ain't did tours, if you ain't put no hits out, if you ain't put somebody else on or came from a legacy that was wild, you ain't even nowhere near the top five. So dudes is like, I'm looking for young cats today to really rise up to the criteria first. First, where's your battle? You say you dope, bring it right now because this nigga's like me out here.

Like, straight up. I stay hungry. Okay, stay hungry. No, we heard your new diss record. We're going to get to that. Oh, no, no, we're going to get to that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay.

So you claim you hungry. You claim, oh, yo, I'm the man. I'm going to listen. Now, today with social media, you could claim anything. And everybody, so with Drake and mills to me it gave them the credibility that they needed for even me to look at them as real mcs i like both of their lyrics by the way drake i think is underrated in terms of because maybe he's doing the pop thing or whatever but his lyrics is still dope from an mc. I don't want to cut you off.

But there's been allegations that he had help on his lyrics. Ghost Riders. Yeah. How do you feel? I'm very curious of this. Look, look. Because you do come from a day where people were writing Biz Mark lyrics. Right, that's right.

And Biz Mark was up front about it. Ice Cube said, Eazy-E said, Ice Cube, write the rhymes that I say. Right, that's right. And Biz Mark was up front about it. Ice Cube said, Eazy-E said, Ice Cube write the rhymes, that I say. Right. And to me, Eazy-E was one of the most killerest dudes out there. So how did you feel

when you found out that Drake might have had some help? That doesn't disturb me at all. Wow. It diminishes him in front of those that write their own lyrics. Okay, now those of us that write their own lyrics.

Okay, now those of us that spit the raw from our own heart, you really got to step up and come up to the plate on that level. But we're talking about emceeing as a whole art. Talk about rap as a whole art. No, if you got a dope writer that can make you sound like something, go ahead and get with dude. The issue is writing. This is the issue, writing, dope rhymes. I don't give a fuck where it comes from. Wow. Writer, whoever, some of the dopest

dudes, and I'm not going to call no names, rhymes, you say, yo, it's like there's secrets in hip hop, okay? The dopest dudes had dude write for them. That's not a problem. Now, me, I never had the privilege of anyone writing for me. Right. Okay, I, you know. You're too smart. Nobody can write for you. No, but wait a minute.

No, let me tell you. Let me tell you. If Rakim came to me with a rhyme, I'd say that shit. This is crazy. I'd say that shit. This is crazy. I need to make some noise for that. Everybody in here, make some noise.

Yo, Drake, you have, listen, Drake, send me the check. I have just saved you. I have just saved you. You are back cool in every community, Drake. KRS has said it on the Drink Chance podcast that he's okay. No, I'm okay. Look, not in real spitters that write they rhymes. It will never be okay.

It will never be okay with real spitters that write they shit, okay? But it'll never be okay with real spitters that write they shit okay but that's our lane that's our category that's a level of excellence that you have to get to right okay now but my issue is right look here's the opposite okay some dude writes your rhymes and they whack and you say them shits anyway. I heard dudes say whack rhymes that they didn't even write. Right, right, right. That's corny, okay? Yeah, that's the issue, okay? But if you got a real shooter with you,

dude is writing raw shit, well, make sure he pay the brother. Right. Make sure he get some credit at some point in your career, but say that shit. Say that dope shit. Hip-hop needs dope lyrics. We don't need dope MCs.

Understand? We need dope lyrics. We need the right, I don't care where it come from. Your moms can write you some shit. If that shit is dope, say that shit. Let's make some noise for somebody's mom. Come on.

Yeah, for moms, write the lyrics, my G. So you're saying it's just a vessel? It's just a vessel, MCs are the vessel. Look, if you really get down to it, I don't write my own lyrics, God writes my lyrics. God damn it. So if you think about it, none of us are writing our own lyrics.

We all, any MC that writes his lyrics, you know you're sitting there with the pen, the pad, or whatever, your phone, whatever it is, and you hum your shit out. You hear that shit from someplace else. You're like, criminal mind. See, he a DJ, so I know what he's talking about. And DJs don't even start with that.

As producers, you hear the beats before you hit the thing. You know what you're going to do before you do it. You hum it out You bang it out But you hear something So no one is original No art is original We are all being influenced by everything and everyone

The corny motherfucker Is the one who doesn't say Yo my G wrote this Give it three years, four years You know you made some success after you got on. Pick your man up. Acknowledge your dude, man. Yo, this is what it is.

Hit him with his cash. Yo, you know he helped you get where you got to go. Hit him with his cash. Make sure he's good and his family is good. That's respect in hip hop. That's big respect. Now, in this day, like a lot of the OGs, they'll sit back and they'll be like, you know,

I don't like this. Do you listen to what's going on now? No, they had their chance. They're over. They're finished. Let's make some noise for them. Let's make some noise for them. They had their chance. That shit is over.

That shit's over. Fuck all that old school shit. All that shit's done. So you do listen to the new school or no? Yeah. I listen to everything. Wow. Okay, I listen to everything. Okay, I was just with my man L.A. Sunshine.

He put a book out. We was just kicking it up in the Bronx. That's my G right there. Kumo D. That's my G. Busy B. No doubt. These are my dogs, no doubt. But let me see Joey badass right now. Let me see, you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't want to call names, but I'm just saying. No, you can. Let me just. Let's get him another drink. Get him another drink, please. Please, please, please. You know, but no, I listen to everything, man. I just, yeah, I just absorb it all.

Yeah, I really appreciate you having that attitude because now I am, they call me an OG now. I'm 38 years old. No doubt, no doubt. You know, hip hop was born in what year? Hip hop. Well, 73 is the scholarly year. 73, I was born in 77. See.

So now they calling me an OG. That's right. And I want to sit back and I want to give back to this life. Yeah, we'll do that. So we're doing this podcast. I want to give people like you a platform to say whatever the fuck you want to say. You sure about that? Anytime you...

You sure about that? No, it's okay. We don't give a fidgety-duck over here. We don't care if this ends tomorrow. That's why we're going to get you another drink. First off, this has been one of my accomplishments in life. You know, people got bucket lists. Wow.

You know, you've always been a person that I've learned from. Wow. Like, whether you know it direct or indirect. You ain't even asked me to pass the blame. Yeah, some foul people, but it's okay. I understand. From Kendall. So, oh, no, look at the ear things.

So, you directly, you directly, somebody said to me the other day, they said, Jay-Z and Jay the Kiss raised me with their bars

and it fucked me up. Because I was like, damn, well then, I always told people if you take KRS-One and then you take a little bit of Biz Markie

and a little bit of Granddaddy IU, that's when you get NRE. But you notice, I never took none of y'all's styles, but I was in fluids. Don't let me start on you. That's three totally different people, but that's who made me, because

you taught me that black is beautiful. No doubt. And be yourself. That's right. Biz taught me, biz taught me life ain't that serious, homie. Have some fucking fun.

And then granddaddy, you told me how to be exact opposite of him because he was so smooth. Right? Like, I feel like granddaddy, you was like the cane that never, I'm gonna take it. It's my first interview ever smoking.

Yo, pick up Hakeem Green. My brother, my brother. Another legend with us. Another legend with us. Another legend that's in the building, Spock Madism. Let's just get into that, man. How did Spock Madism come about? Damn.

Well, first of all, Hock was a school teacher. No, I never knew this. Let's make some noise for Hock being a school teacher. God damn it. a school teacher. No, I never knew this. Let's make some noise for Hawk being a school teacher. God damn it. With the teacher. Okay. With the teacher. So he was one of the many teachers and professors.

I was rolling with it about 93. Hawk rolled up and said, yo. So he kept coming to my lectures. I was doing lectures around. So he kept coming to lectures. So I said, you know, you look like you were MC. You look like, you know, you get down. He had the braids back then.

Yeah, he just started. That's right. A little twist. And I said, yo, you look like an MC. He was like, wow, how did you? So to make a long story short, I heard him. I loved it. But I said, the solo MC thing, not going to work.

We need two people This is like DOS effects was hitting nice and smooth because they were sorry They were sorry to you. Yes. Well, technically to to my wife Jim Adler G Simone was running front page records. Technically KRS was with the label channel live mad lion for a minute even, Fat Joe. But we was closing the label, closing the management company at the time when Joe just started to blow. We was just coming down on that level. Same thing with, excuse me, Pryze.

The Puget? No, not the Puget. Before they were the Puget. Oh, yeah. Actually, the Refugees. It was just Praz and Wyclef. So you had a chance to sign them? Yes. Oh, man.

We did some of their first shows. You fucked up. No, no, no. You was supposed to sign the Proogies, Karen. No, no, no. We wasn't in no position whatsoever to deal with them. Right. They, you could, Wyclef used to pull out a guitar.

No, he still does it. In the middle of a, like, mad hip hop. No, he still does it. It'd be weird. You'd just be chilling. He'd just start rocking out. Like, you know, he was like, you know what, you go ahead. But it was dope. So, anyway, we got in the studio

and, you know, I grew up in an herb culture. You know what I'm saying? I grew up in Flatbush, Brooklyn, Church Avenue, right there, Erasmus High School, Wingate High School. Shout out to Prospect Park, the whole nine. Right. So I grew up there in the 70s. When you were born, 77.

77. I was in the parks. Let's pick it up for KRS Memory. His memory is always impeccable. His memory is impeccable, man. In Brooklyn. Right, in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn.

Bro, you trying to give Brooklyn some props? Is that what's going on, Hakeem? We're going, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there we was in Flatbush. So I grew up

in herb culture and not from the point of view, like, oh, we just going to smoke bud. I was with rosters and the Ethiopianopian orthodox church we had the bible open dudes were smoking toward the east chalice burned down rome every time the chalice burned you had to say yo we was like in that culture for real so it was like i grew up

with like no problem like yo burn the bud what it's no big deal. What? Moved up to the Bronx when I became homeless, like, around 1981 or 2. So that story is true. You was homeless. Oh, yeah, no doubt. About four years. That's how I met Scott LaRocque. Wow. He was a social worker in the shelter.

But we'll get back to that later. Okay, cool. Real. So I grew up in the culture. So for me, Peter Tosh, since since 1971 was yelling for the legalization of marijuana since 71. Everybody know that, you know, the judges are smoking, the cops smoke, the doctor's been saying this is the safest plan. In fact, this is the healing of the nation. This right here, Alzheimer's, cancers, you name it.

Herb is the healing for that. But now you got this tax issue and you got this dudes that don't want to give up their power. They get more money and more power selling it illegally. You really don't want the government selling weed. You really don't want

that because the idea is that it's going to get whacked. It's like whatever the government put their they can't even teach English correctly. You know what I'm saying? Anything that the government puts its hand into, it starts to get sterile. It starts to get whacked. You don't have no competition. Watered down. So dudes are like, nah, we want to grow

that shit right there in Mexico, right there in Afghanistan, right there up in Colorado. And now Colorado, Seattle, they just went rogue with it and just said, you know what, we're just going to do it. And I think it was done for the kids in the area because they're not locking their kids up. You know what I'm saying? They're not going to do that. They'd rather change the laws than see their kids and the family go through that.

That's why I think it really got legalized. You could cite medical this or medical that, but really it's an issue of going to prison. Families have been ruined by just smoking a joint or having herb on you. This is a plant that grows in the world. How is the government even allowed to tell you how you should think? That's the beginning like like if i

smoke bud and i'm like yeah i feel great on this why are you telling me i don't like like like the use of the word nigga for instance all right same shit that's my nigga right there i I know what I'm saying. Nigga, I got three PhDs, nigga. I write books, nigga. What? I know what the fuck I'm saying. But nah, black people ain't supposed to think. We not supposed to have governance over our own mouth, over our own thinking.

So if I tell you, listen, when I say my nigga, I'm talking, I really mean my brother. Listen to how I say it. My nigga. That's my brother right there. Now, I really mean my brother. Listen to how I say it. My nigga. That's my brother right there. Now, I just told you what it is. The problem is there's no law in the United States made by black people that white people are bound to respect. Imagine, we follow all their laws.

What law they follow of ours? There's no Latino brother that came and said, look, this is what helps Latino people right here. Y'all going to follow. We want blacks, whites, everybody. You're going to follow our laws. We follow the Constitution. We follow state ordinances.

All that's white law. But here's now the Native American law. Why are we not following? Nah, this country's not built on following anybody else's law except their own. And when it comes to marijuana, it becomes an issue of freedom of thought. Like, this is how I think. Do you have the right to tell me what state of mind I should be into? Like, no, this is the state of mind that I feel I should be in. And as a matter of fact, the U.S. Constitution, it's federal law to be happy in the United States.

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A crazy hip-hop story is you went to the Palladium. What's this? And you threw P.M. Dawn off the stage. Damn. I got to get this story. Let's make some noise. I got to hear the story. Direct from you.

Yo, that's when, like, you've been my hero. But, like, it's like, that's when I made my choice for Malcolm and Martin. It was like Martin, like, I still think Martin was killing people at night when he went. Like, I still think Martin was a shooter. Like, I still, in my heart, in my heart. No doubt.

But Malcolm, Malcolm was like, straight up, I'm going to shoot you back. So when Chris, I call you Chris. Yeah, no doubt. I'm very, I feel like I'm honored to call you that. Come on. So I felt like the minute you threw PM Dawn on stage, it's like, yes, he can teach me and he'll still whip your ass. That's exactly what I wanted.

That's exactly what I asked. That's exactly what I asked. Make some fucking noise. Come on. So what did he do for you to throw him off the stage? I never really got that part of the story. Well, if you want the scholarly approach. Nah, we don't. We want the nigga approach.

Okay, well, here it is. So dude start mouthing off in Details Magazine. Okay. Now this is the mouthing off in Details Magazine. Okay. Okay. Now, this is the mood that we're in around this time. I think we're talking, I forgot what year this was. This is 98, 90? No, no, no.

No. Oh, no, it was 92. 92, okay, cool. It was 92. And was it the Palladium? No, it wasn't the Palladium. It was a small club in Manhattan. I don't remember.

It was one of them clubs that had, like, Car Wash was. That wasn't the name of the place. That's just the name of the night. The night, right. Sound Factory. Sound Factory. Let's bring up Hakeem Green for remembering the club. That's right.

Come on, come on, K. This is what's going to happen. So, Sound Factory. Okay, wait a minute. Now, here's the mood of it, 92, okay? Around this time, this is when, like you said, knowledge was just hitting hip-hop. Hip-hop was some ignorant-ass shit, okay?

Of course, you did have Run-D.M.C., you had Houdini, you had those who were actually rocking on a supposedly more intelligent level, especially Run-D.M. DMC with It's Like That and all type of records. I'm sorry, I just got to salute you in the mid-interview. Just do that. You know what I'm saying?

First off, you know, just for the viewers to know, K. Harris 1 is drinking a Mai Tai. And it's a good one. He's drinking with a drink chance. If you haven't traveled, you probably don't know what a fuck a Mai Tai is, okay? No doubt. So this is a

Hawaii drink. I would like you to continue the drink. That's how you know he's been getting our money for a long time. He was in Tahiti or something. I'm with this shit. Yes, yes. Thank you for coming again. I'm sorry. Thanks for opening your door. Can you continue your story, please? Okay, so anyway, so

the mood in 92... I was about to pass you the weed, but I'm going to slow down. Nah, I'm going to slow down. I'm good. I may get you later, though. Yeah. Look, this mood, this time is when I had just put out, you must learn to stop the violence movement.

Why is that? And then what's the PM Dawn joint? What's the joint he got out? I don't know why he tested you. Why did he test you? Let's just get to the point. Well, it wasn't just me. Well, he tested more people than you?

Okay, all right. In his details magazine, he had said something pertaining to the fact, he said NWA is nothing. Chuck D is making mountains out of molehills. Oh, we should have killed him. And KRS-One wants to be a teacher, but a teacher of what? And for me, it didn't matter for me,

but Chuck at the time was receiving death threats because of the controversy with Griff. Griff had made a statement. The Jewish comments, Griff had made a statement. So Public Enemy was under real heat In America Okay

And this dude just sold like A million records So he had a really good year selling records So he's just mouthing off Like it's our time now Don't worry Karras You can drop the drinks These dudes is over. N.W.A.

ain't nothing. Chuck D., Public Enemy, ain't saying nothing. K.R.S. is... So I let it go for a minute. So this was like over months. This wasn't like just one time. No, no, no. This is over a period. And it wasn't just him. So I had also

a little running with X-Clan around the same time. No, I've never heard this story. Okay, me and X-Clan around the same time. No, I've never heard this story. Okay, me and X-Clan were going back and forth. I mean, Brother J was, you know, calling me Captain Human and this, that, and the other. Is this his?

Well, that wasn't directed to us. But it was them. And if you're battling me, then maybe it was. Wow. So there was X-Clam. Bam chilled it all out back then.

Because X-Clam was Zulu. Right. Okay. So he cooled it all out. We had a press conference and just kissed it made up. That was the end of that. Right. Cool.

But there were others, dudes in the hood. For some reason, they felt, people felt that if you come out advocating peace, knowledge, wisdom, I was coming with you, my slur. That somehow, we supposed to be soft? Or somehow, what, you going to run up? Or I don't know what it was. And I was naive because all my dudes was straight gangsters. Like I'm talking about, I'm trying to take dudes off the street, convince them, yo, we can go on tour, man.

You ain't got to do this. You ain't got to do that. And dudes is like, yo, if you could show me another way out of here, we could do this. So I'm trying to take these dudes and we trying to leave the hood. Okay. We trying to be positive. We got to stop the violence movement. And PM Dawn said something dumb.

And here this dude come. Yeah, let's get to it. Okay, arresting Shabba Baba Baba. He just got finished with X-Clan with that. Lynch Mob had made a statement. The Ice Cube. Self-destruction don't pay the fucking rent. Oh, this is after something or something?

Yeah, this is after all this. This is why you a real gangster. This is what it is. This is what it was. Make some noise for him. You ain't going to break me. We're going to stop the violence. But if the violence comes, we're going to break the violence.

And so for some reason, they thought it was soft in my corner. And so PM Dawn is not from New York, correct? No. What is he doing? He came to New York. I don't know what that was. So I want to know the altercation. Did you say something to him or you just threw him off the stage? No, no, no.

How it happened? No, no, no. This is what happened. So he made his allegation and he made some other allegation on the radio or something like that about he was ready to battle or something or some kind of lyrical something. So I was like, great,

let's just take it right there and leave it there. You calling my name out? What do I got to do with you? I'm doing my own thing over here. But he was

riding a wave that was saying that groups like NWA, Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, they bullshit. And we the shit.

Hood dudes is bullshit. This is the new shit. And so there was a big party for T-Money. Back in the days, T-Money was a UMTV Raps host with Ed Love and Dr. Trey. Big party in New York. Everybody in the industry was there, which is why we had two chances. He was going to play in somewhere. He was going to play with his own show.

He was going to either go there or we could go right here to Manhattan where it was popping. And we said, you know what? Let's do Manhattan because the industry is there. This is T-Money's birthday party. We said, you know what?

Let's set it straight real quick right there. A couple other dudes was in the crowd. They was called, yo, KRS ain't shit. What the fuck? They were in the crowd too. So when I got there, we was so amped. Like, we was just so, and when I say we, again, I don't want to call no names

and put nobody on blast. You can if you want. You can if you want. But, you know, just to color the story and give you some background on it. So, it was me there, it was Just Ice, Queen Latifah. Latifah had her crew. Naughty by nature, Naughty had they crew.

Because he dissed Naughty and them too as well? And them too. Well, no, no, no. No, no, no. They was just there with you. They was just there with me. This is the early days of Flavian. These just there with me. This is the early days of Flavio. These last crew right here.

This is the early days. Tretch is my nigga, so I already. This is the early days. I can picture the scenery. I can picture the scenery. Just picture early Tretch, okay? Crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They all giddy. Like, yo, when do we go? Oh, so you set it up. Let me just tell you something. I don't know if you know. That is a trend now. When a person has a beef with somebody, they book them for a show. Right.

And then when they come out, they'll do one or two songs. Right. And then they'll bum rush the shit. Right. But you set that trend. I don't know if you know that. Well, you know what? Yes, I don't know if you know that.

We didn't mean to. Well, you set the fucking trend. Let's make some noise. I can't even. I can't do this. I can't do. Look, so we went up. It wasn't a setup in the sense that we knew we were going to go there,

but we knew we had two choices. Right. And it was like the day before. So we chose this one. So did you actually talk to him prior to that? Oh, no. So you just waited for him to get on stage? Just waited for him to get on stage.

As a matter of fact, the word had gotten out. Because I said, yo, I'm here to battle. It wasn't about throwing nobody off stage. I'm still, stop the violence, yo. Peace, my G. We're still rolling like this. That's why it was so controversial. That's why it was right.

So when I jumped up, what happened was I think one of his boys or something, he had a little crew with him and somebody with him. So when we jumped on stage, I remember Super Cat, I can't even front,

my man Super Cat. He said, Chris, let me go on first, man. Let me go on first, man. Before you do that, man, let me go on first, man. I was like, yo, and Cat went on.

He did his thing. Then PM Dawn went on. We let him get through one song and then we all jumped on the stage. It's like, yo, and Cat went on. He did his thing. MPM Dawn went on. We let him get through one song, and then we all jumped on the stage. It's like, yo, let's battle. Let's get it popping right now. So the whole crowd was like, oh, let's go. But something happened. This man, somebody jumped out.

It was like, fuck that. You know what I'm saying? Trying to do some shit. It was like, yo, fuck that. We here with all shooters, my nigga. Why don't we fuck that? Threw them niggas off the stage shit. I was like, yo, fuck that. We here with all shooters, my nigga. Why don't we fuck that? Threw them niggas off the stage. That's what he wants. Fuck that now.

Make some noise. Yo, that's nice. Troy Ave just did that to I Love McCannon in New York. In New York. This is a fact. I love, I got love for I Love McCannon. I got love for Troy Ave. But when it happened,

it immediately... I didn't hear about this. Oh, now you are. So, I immediately, when I synced it, I said, I don't even think Troy Ave know that this originated from that very moment. Like, if you

disrespect and you come to the person's town, you are liable to go off the stage. And drinks is liable to throw at you. And you're allowed to feel uncomfortable. But you started that trend and I applaud you for that, sir. Come on. One more time. Everybody, make some fucking noise.

Being that we're on the topic of self-destruction, stop the violence. One thing that I've always wondered, why do you think that we haven't been able to recreate those movements in hip-hop? Because when that came out and We're All in the Same Gang came out, those records, they were cool to the youth at the time. Yes, it was. We loved those records.

We knew the lyrics. No, but see, the people... And I know you've been doing, you've done, you've continued to do those records, but they haven't touched the pulse of the youth anymore. No, hip-hop is not conscious. Okay? Like, people got to understand that hip-hop, its raw essence, that shit is gutter ghetto. Hip-hop is ignorant.

Okay? That shit is... At its core. At its core. That shit is raw ignorance, man. Just straight up. But all the best things come out of that shit. Right.

Okay, the darkness. That's where the best shit comes from. Out of this shit. Look, it takes feces to make things grow. All we eating is shit. Manure. It's the most honest. It's the most honest.

So that's why I say go back to the movement. When we did those records, Stop the Violence and Self-Destruction, look at the dudes that were doing them. Those were street dudes. Street dudes, yeah. That's why we love them. Okay, that's right. But now all them dudes got shot up and went to jail.

Right. Nobody, there's no one else, like maybe some younger kids today or maybe some of the younger artists today, if they care about their community. When we were coming up with gangs and crews and stuff like that, we cared about

the community still. We would still smack a young kid up and be like, yo, you better go to school, motherfucker. I know your moms. You would still get gangs like that. Today, it's too individualistic right even dudes who are real gangsters they not really in the hood they do they gangster on the phone they pushing their thing through on twitter different mediums now

we didn't have none of this shit when we was coming up i'm sorry to cut you off but you know what the crazy shit is i just thought about it like. Hip-hop, we got our own little version of Chitlin' Circuit. Right? Like, where you go. So back then, in the 90s, I'll say 97, 98, I had to go to Virginia. I had to go to North Carolina. And when the dude told me, yo, I run the block, I had the choices. It was 15 seconds.

Not 15 seconds on the internet. But it's 15 seconds that I had to say, I believe him or I fucking don't. We didn't have Instagram. Like right now, dude would be like, yo, I run the town. Check my Instagram.

Couldn't hood check him. That shit don't fucking register with me. But you know what I'm saying? Because they don't have a picture with like, you know, whoever's the popular people at the time. But back then,

in the 90s, I had to go to a town and I had to make a decision in 15 seconds when a dude caught me in Foot Locker and said, Yo, Nori, I run the town. Fuck with me. And I had to study his mannerisms. Right. You had to know.

Sometimes, these guys lying. They're good. But a lot of the times, they're official. You don't have time to go look at. And nowadays. Can't Google them. When I go to a town now, they be like, yo, go get with such and such. And I got to look at this guy's Instagram.

But it was real love. And your generation was before mine. So how was that, like, just traveling the U.S. back then? You had to know people, man. You had to really know. Like, what you just said right there brought me back to, like, okay, tell you a story. Ice-T, okay, this is way back. Big up Ice-T coming on the show as well.

Shout out to Ice-T and Coco. This goes back to Darlene, okay? This is his first wife. This is his first wife. This is his first wife. That was on the cover. On the cover of Power. Power with the shotgun. I'm a hip-hop nigga.

Just wanted to let people know that. I know that. Ice-T, this is the realest dude ever. Okay? I don't know what y'all know about TV. I don't know what that shit is, okay? But in the 80s, Rhyme Syndicate in L.A.? Okay, you had to know these dudes

or you wasn't playing. Oh, so you're saying you couldn't even go to L.A.? You couldn't even play. You couldn't even play. Today you could book shows, you know, Live National book you. It's all good.

It's corporate. This shit is all good. No, back then, it was only dudes That were hustling That was booking rappers So it was like You know

And it wasn't Never no shit It was It was actually the time We all was having A good time It's like We left all the guns

All the product And shit You leave that shit now Let's just go to Latin quarters And have a good Fucking time Latin quarters

Let's just go down To you know The rooftop Or whatever Fever Fever or whatever Leave that shit down. Let's just go to Latin quarters and have a good fucking time. Latin quarters. Let's just go down to, you know, the rooftop or whatever. Fever. Fever or whatever. Everybody just was like that. Everybody left their shit in the car.

If there was any beef in the club, you'd see dudes running outside to their ride. Right. And that's the shit that would pop off in the parking lot.

Right. But we had to know people. You couldn't just be a rapper. There were so many rappers that were dope on the mic and even had hit records, but they couldn't tour. They couldn't travel, you know,

because back then people were still getting robbed for their change. Just the idea of wearing a gold chain in the club. They still get robbed for their change. Well, you know what I'm saying,

you know, but look, I tell you this. It's on YouTube now. It's on YouTube now. It's for YouTube. It's for YouTube now. You know, MC Search, you know, Far Rockaway Queens,

Third Base, these were the only white dudes ever, ever, to walk in Latin quarters with big gold on them. Latin quarters, where was the original Latin quarters? Because I went to Latin quarters on big gold on them. Now, Latin quarters, where was the original Latin quarters? Because I went to Latin quarters on 96th and Broadway. So the original Latin quarters was on...

48th Street and Broadway. You see, you learn something new every day. Across the street from Popeye's Chicken. We used to eat that bullshit and go across the street and tear that shit down. Nothing but hustlers in there. And if your rhymes was whack, you did not make it out. Like, you went out insults or niggas scheming on you

or, like, you had to have security walk you out. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I took pride in that shit. I was like, fuck y'all niggas, man. I'm getting this shit in right now. And they just loved, they loved my whole shit. And the point was was that we was spitting conscious shit.

We called it reality rap. Yo, man, fuck these cops, this court, the shit we were going through. Fuck the DA. These motherfuckers are corrupt. Let's talk about the government. That shit became conscious rap all of a sudden. In the 90s, the title switched.

And now all of a sudden, we were supposed to play this role of being conscious rappers who didn't fight or argue and this shit. And it was like I never wrestled. I never settled this in my own career. You know, me, I consider myself a God man straight up. I'm all about peace. But this world, the minute you say you standing up for justice and wisdom, these dudes want to try to see you. And I love shit like that. I'm like, I'm God's like worst. I'm sent here to make you think like, yo, that's that

we can get that dude right there. I'm like, no-hmm. It's a beautiful thing that you ever did. And shit changes in the dark. Come on, follow me down here. You see the skirt? I'm wearing the skirt. Come on down here. Come on. So here's where I want to go. Here's where I want to go, Carell. You're taking me back.

How did the beat start with Shan originally? Oh, man. Was it the record or was it something on the side? I have to know this for my own, because you're my favorite rapper. I don't know if you know that. We wanted to be down with the juice. I hated you when you did the Bridges Over. You had 50.

I just got to be clear with you. Yo, yo, let me tell you something. You made any killers in Queens, you made them. Because, I'm going to just tell you. Wow. Because you said, we didn't hear. That's a horrible thing to tell. That's horrible.

It's a great, it's a great horrible thing. Because you know why? We had, on Rikers Island at that time, was the toughest place. I mean, it was the hardcore-est place to go. And if you was from Queens, you would just walk by and people would be like, Queens? Right? And I don't know if you know if you started this, but you said, I didn't hear Pete from a place called Queens. And we had to fight every East New York nigga, every Bronx nigga, for niggas to be like, Queens niggas is official.

No doubt. No doubt. He just took out Shan. Damn. I've already that wrong. If she's Shan, don't blow me up. Listen, I'm just being honest. No doubt. And at that time, you changed the

face of hip-hop. Because you single-handedly thought, I need to know, how how did this start was it beef with Marley was it beef with Shan was this is whack Puma sneaker what was it Chris to make you go off like that yo first off we in Queens didn't know there was a South Bronx. We didn't know it was a North Bronx. We just thought it was the Bronx. So when, all right, so I need to know this. This is for my own history. How did this start? First of all, rest in peace to Mr. Magic. Let me start right here. You don't care what the weed smoke, right? No, come on, man. Come on, respect.

Rest in peace to Mr. Magic, okay? Straight up. Now, that's who started it. He started it. Let's bring up Mr. Magic and start it. Mr. Magic, no doubt. He's going to travel. Rest in peace, Magic.

Rest in peace, Magic. We wanted to be down with the Juice crew. Let's start right there. So, and this is Molly Maul. This is Magic. Okay. It's Magic and Molly. Magic was the, first of all, there was another Juice Crew before Magic.

Let's name the original Juice Crew. The original Juice Crew, I was, first of all, I don't know all of them. I think it was Melly Mel, Kaz. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is Juice Crew. That's a super old school. I don't know this. This is the original Juice Crew out of Disco Fever.

They were the original juice crew. Magic was part of that crew. Okay. Okay, so he kind of took the name, and the second generation came up, which was us. And so he named his crew the Juice Crew. But he was the only one with the ring. There was rings. There was like 13 rings that were given out for this juice crew. We got to bring rings back. He was one of these one with the ring. There was rings, there was like 13 rings that were given out for this Juice Crew.

So he was one of these Jews with the ring. So he named the thing Juice Crew with his man Fly Ty as well. Ty was big with promotion and marketing. So the idea was battles were huge on the street anyway. If you was an MC, you was always battling your man. You was always in the cypher spitting some shit. So that's what it was, but none of that was ever reflected in mainstream media and rap, whatever.

Run DMC, they was crushing shit, but they was still, you know, rapping. They was still like performers. You know, it never was really what it was on the street level, So we went to Magic. We wanted to be part of the Juice Crew. We wanted to be produced by Molly Maul. Okay, but Magic was the Juice Crew.

He's the one that put everybody down. So Roxanne Shante just came off of a battle with UTFO. Nice battle. All these Roxannes came out of that battle. Let me bring up Roxanne Shante, little sister. Fast team while I went to school with her. Wow. Continue.

Roxannes, she came out, UTFO, nice battle. So MC Shan came out and dissed LL, called him a beat biter, because the word on the street was that LL bit his style. The Kangol, the Deedas, the Pumas, the tracksuit. And in a way, he looked just like LL from the early days. If you look at early LL, it was some kind of similarity. So LL was mad about that, I guess, and started going after LL. I'm sorry, Shan was mad at that and started going after LL.

LL never answered him. But I did. Because Magic took our demo. So the story goes. An engineer told us this. We handed in our records, two records, Criminal Minded and Elementary. Oh, and a record called Advance. Three records. We have got to Advance.

Three records. We gave it to him. They said they said magic said this is corny no we're not doing it and supposedly flung it into garbage but not in front your face no okay this is an engineer telling us first of all we couldn't even talk to magic okay he was that he he was that huge okay security he was the man okay we couldn't even see him. I'm such a fan mode right now. I'm in fan mode. We handed dude the CD through somebody, through somebody, through somebody. And the word got back, yo, whack, get up out of here. So mind you, I'm homeless in the street.

I'm riding the train back and forth, the D train. Scott LaRock is a social worker. At the shelter, I get to, you know, sometimes I'm at the shelter, sometimes I'm not. Me and Just Ice worker at the shelter I get to you know sometimes I'm at the shelter sometimes I'm not me and Just Ice was in the shelter together so some nights we hang out all night some nights we get up and Scott had to go to work every day work there at that shelter so we got back and Scott was like yo they said it was wack my G I was like, yo Why? Shan is whack My shit ain't whack

So I'm 20 You know what I'm saying, 21, 20 I'm cocky, I'm arrogant I'm already known in the Bronx I'm a graffiti writer, really Named KRS And I'm writing on the 6 train And the 5, The 2 and the 5

We hitting the bus yards Fordham Road bus yards So I'm already On my shit In the graffiti world Right And I was I write graffiti

Also cause of you I'm just throwing it out there I'm just saying I was on my shit Bombing buses And trains And we were trying To get into the rap deal hopefully to get

some money and get out the hood right they said you what so i wrote i was i wrote um the bridges over first wait before the south bronx before the south bronx i wrote the bridges over because that was more my shit i was on some reggae shit right so i So I was like, yo, I used to listen to Shinehead, actually, was my inspiration. Shinehead. Right. I used to listen to Shinehead, Michigan is Smiley, Yellow Man, Lieutenant Stitchy, Major Macro, Ninja Man. I used to go on and on.

I used to blast all that. So he was like, T, what are you doing to me? This is Drink Champ. What is this T trying to do, man? He just got a roll with it. Okay. He just got a roll with it. Okay, so. He just got to roll with it. I didn't know either.

So it's like, so I'm listening to all that, but Scott was like, first of all, Scott started to get down in his spirit because he had already shopped our music to everybody. And they all turned us down. They said it was too educated, too preachy. You don't sound like the rappers out here, because we were talking about nuclear war, the government, this kind of thing. It was like, nah, rap don't need all that. I know about Lil Natti, because of you. I'm just telling you.

But we were on that shit in 84. Yeah, I'm just telling you that. Anyway, so we was like, you know, nobody was going to sign this. No one wanted us. So I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I wrote The Bridge Is Over. I said it to Scott.

Scott was like, nah, man, because nobody's going to play that reggae shit. Nobody want to hear that shit. They want to hear like Run DMC and this. So you're telling me The Bridge Is Over was wrote before Shan actually dropped The Bridge or was The Bridge out? No, The Bridge was out.

And I wrote The the bridge is over. So now let me just tell you, this is where you also crushed my dreams as a child. Damn. When Shan said hip-hop started out in the dark, I thought he was telling the truth.

I'm a child. I was born in 1977. What year did Shan drop that record? That was like 86. 86. So technically, how old am I? Nine?

Like 10? Nine years old? Nine? You're like nine. So I believed Shan. That's for sure as a nine-year-old. But I've never been to the Bronx. But wait a minute.

Here's the real of it. Okay, go ahead. We both were wrong. Okay. Wait, wait. Me and you or you and Shan? Me and Shan. Okay, break it down.

He said, you love to hear the story again and again. How it all got started way back when. The monument is right in your face. Sit and listen for a while to the name of the place. The bridge. Okay. That caused the battle. That's what. It's right in your face sit and listen for a while for the name of the place the bridge Okay, that caused the battle. That's what that's what you know hip-hop Originated no doubt I was going to 123 Park watching BAM, right? Okay, so now

As we go so it was that line that made you that's really it well No, it's magic say we was garbage that made us very combined was that line that made you furious? Well, no. It's Magic said we was garbage that made us furious. Combined with that line. Well, that line was the excuse. But Magic wasn't from Queensbridge. No. Magic is from? Magic, he's from Brooklyn, I think. From Brooklyn.

I'll continue the story. No, but. You hear this record, MC Shan, and it bothers you. Why? Well, first of all, Magic just dissed us, and basically was harping on the fact that his number one MC was this dude right here, MC Shan. So being from the Bronx, hungry, broke, poor with nothing,

we said, you know what? That's food right there. Let's go get him. This is crazy. And so we said, yo, we rode up. I rode the bridges over first. Scott didn't like it. He said, no, nobody wrote up. I wrote the Bridges Over first. Scott didn't like it. He said, no, nobody's listening to no reggae shit.

If you really want to go at it, dude, come with some shit. So the original Bridges Over was a reggae. Yeah. Wow, okay. It was Supercat. Boops. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Big up to Supercat for that.

Supercat lived in the left rack for a little while. No doubt. That's my nigga. So continue. I was all into Supercat right then. And he had a record called Say Boop Stand. Say go on and hug him up. Hey. Say Boop Stand.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, yes. Put that to some boom bap. The same shit we used to do in the shelter. We used to hit the bathroom wall. So Scott didn't like the reggae version. He didn't like that shit. like that so then what happened you went back and he put on this record that goes hey bro i got that good cheap achiever hey bro i got that good cheap achiever you have to keep cutting that part out so scott's cutting

that shit i was like way back in the days when hip-hop began with Coke, La Rock, Cool Herc, and then Bam. People, Scott was like, oh, yo, you need to come with that. Next, like, three days later, he got his check. We went to the studio. It was $50, $25 an hour, and you get an acetate at the end. So it was a bargain. Like, the acetate was $25 an hour And you get an acetate At the end So it was a bargain Like the acetate was $25 But they said

$25 and the acetate Two hour minimum We spent $50 We made a four track We did South Bronx And the P is free The same day Two hours

One take Wait you did the bridges over South No no no South Bronx Okay And the P is free The original with D-Nice on the beat box. The PC is free.

Yeah. That's my name. Oh, my God. You got a dub plate out of that, you said. And we got a dub plate out of it. So we took that down to Latin Quarters. Right. And Raul was playing.

Red Alert wasn't even on yet. There's a dude named Raul that was there. Let's pick up Raul that is sidebar owner, right? Raul's my homie. Raul's playing. Red Alert wasn't even on yet. There's a dude named Raul that was there. Let's pick up Raul that is Sidebar owner, right? Raul's my homie. Raul's the homie. Shout out to Sidebar over there. Shout out to Sidebar. And what's the order, people?

Is this here? Mingo. Jason. Jason. I stopped. No, no, no, no, because I just figured Raul. So continue this story. We gave him the acetate. We gave him the acetate.

We gave him the dub play. The dub play. He put the shit on. From the second that shit came on. The bridge is over. No, the South Bronx. Oh, the South Bronx. It said,

This is after the Queens bridge. This is after the Queens bridge. Queens bridge is a huge hit record. It should play on the radio every day. Throw the shit on the club. Dudes is up. We were very proud of Queens. Damn shit, what's hot? How long did we have?

How long did we have? How long in Queens were we? It was about a month. It was about a month. We only had a month there. It was not like maybe two months. Maybe two months. You had to take an L for an epic battle.

Maybe two months. I thought we had six months. No, no, no. No. That record was right out. Can you give us two months? It was like two months it was on the radio. It was like one month.

The shit was heat. It was in the club already. And they kill that noise, right? No, no. Then he came back. No, then Shane came back. No, no, no. No, no.

Let's not skip. Okay. So we only had a month. Right. Where it was okay to be from Queensbridge. Yes. Leftfrack, 40 Projects.

Yes. And then... No, wait a minute. Rephrase the question. No, you guys had like three, four years. Because I'm from Leftfrack. You had like three, four years.

Oh, yeah. Because with... See, when Run DMC came out and LL and then Shantay... You was cool with them. I'm cool with all of that. So, why did you and Shan... Well, wait aD.M.C. came out and L.L. and then Shantay. You was cool with them. I'm cool with all of that. So why did you and Shantay? Well, wait a minute.

No. Lyrically, I wasn't. Oh, you wanted to take them out. Lyrically, I wasn't. See, this was a time where you had to prove. Run-D.M.C. said an amazing lyric. I think it was D.M.C. He said, other rappers can't stand us, but give us respect.

That sums up the whole 80s with them. Do you feel like Run-DMC was like a pop group to you back then? No, no, no. There was nothing pop about Run-DMC. No, them motherfuckers was straight hood. Okay, Jam Master Jay. Okay, okay. Okay. Jay was hood hood. Okay. Okay. Right. Okay.

J was hood hood. Right. Okay. Right. Okay. Now, Run and D, they were straight hood as well. They came from different other parts of Queens. Right. Right.

But Queens, the whole of Queens is hood. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So, it was like, Run DMC was just kings. Like, they was just, and you always took a shot at those who was on the top.

If you was the little guy on the bottom, then that's what it was. It was like, even Roxanne Shante had a line where, I met Run and I met DMC and I said so. And it was like one of her dopest, like one of her lines that she had put in. But that was the attitude like you ain't large you you ain't you know even though you are and you the man but

let me ask you this question when he said hip-hop started out in the dark was was that something that directly bothered you because you knew the truth? Scholarly, yes. But I didn't know the truth. I thought I knew the truth. See, this is young arrogance. I'm hanging out in the Bronx. North Bronx, South Bronx, East, West Bronx. The whole Bronx. Gun Hill Road to Millbrook Projects. Whole Bronx.

First of all, I'm a graph writer. So I walked the entire Bronx. My name is up. I'm the entire Bronx. My name is up. I'm the whole Bronx. So I'm running into parties, dudes. You know, we know shit. And you didn't hear Pete on the Facebook phone call, Queen? No, we did.

We used to go to Queen's. Queen's had the dopest parties. So you did hear Pete? No doubt. All right, come on. Let's make some noise for Queen. No doubt. It wasn't Pete, but Queen.

We were vibing. Come on, man. You just had to shit on them. No doubt. All right, come on. Let's make some noise for Queens. No doubt there was a peep for Queens. We were vibe. Come on, man. You just had to sit on them. No, Queens, no. I get it. Thank you, KRS. No, no, let me tell you. My childhood is back restored.

Look, let me say this. Let me say this. My wife is from Queens, okay? St. Albans, Queens. Is that your wife over there? No, no, no. I don't think she's here. No, that's the queen right there.

Oh, that's your wife. All right. Jasmine in the building. Are you from Queens? You just look like you're from Queens. I was going to big you up. I'm sorry. Big of me and wife, Jasmine. He's looking queen right there. Oh, that's your wife. All right. Jasmine in the building. Are you from Queens? You just look like you're from Queens. I was going to big you up. I'm sorry. Bigger than your wife, Jasmine.

He's looking for his queen. No, I'm looking for my queen. St. Albans. St. Albans, Queens. See, this is what I'm talking about, man. Niggas don't respect this part. The nigga done married a woman from Queens. Let's leave this.

Listen, on the island, people used to be like, Queens? Like, you started something. So niggas from Queens at that time on the island had to spit out razors and buck fifties. You might have originated buck fifties. I don't know if you knew that. No doubt. I don't know if you knew that. But buck fifties, because Queens was like.

He's throwing everything on you. Math murders. I do math. You don't care. He. Mad murders. I do, I do. Master don't care. This is, this is, this is, he's like my father. Like, I mean, like. And you blame your father for everything. Don't we all?

Yeah, don't we all? Yeah, don't we all? So, um, all right. So when you heard hip hop started out in the dark, you knew that. You knew that it didn't start. No, I knew Kool Herc existed. I knew Bam, I knew Flash existed. I didn't know them.

Right. But their names were in the hood. Crazy. So you knew Shan was front. Yes. Well, I knew he didn't know. I don't even know if he was front. Right.

It's just that line. Because to us in Queens, we actually thought that. Because we've seen that. So go ahead. And he wrote about what he saw from his perspective. Right. And so I put what he saw from his perspective. Right. And so I put out the record South Bronx.

And today, to be scholarly correct, hip hop started in the West Bronx. It never started in the South Bronx. See, that was my next question. Go ahead.

It's the West Bronx. Cool Heart, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue, the Bronx. Okay, that's West Bronx. But we were so ghetto, ignorant, and gassed to get on a record.

We South Bronx! South, South Bronx! Because that was one of my other questions. Yeah, y'all rewrote history books. Was, were people from the other part of the Bronx, were they still cheer? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody. North Bronx, East and West was all from the South Bronx.

Because even now, like when Big E, you hear, you hear, yeah, Big E E or you hear Nas or somebody shout out the Bronx. They never say the Bronx. They say the South Bronx. Right. And I always wondered, were people from the other side, were they offended by that? No. It's like Big E shouted out on one record of when God Blessed Dead, obviously when Big was alive. He was like, yo, I shouted out Queensbridge.

And I was like, I'm from left rack. Like, I don't really get that. You're not shouting out the whole Queens when you shout out Queensbridge. Queensbridge is a 96 building that you come over Manhattan, and that's just that section. But people that's right next door to it, Raverswood, Astoria, they don't recognize Queensbridge. We understand what you mean by shouting out Queensbridge and thinking it's the whole Queens, but it's really not. So I always wondered, was that the opposite when you said South Bronx

was people in the West Bronx? The Bronx took it differently because the Bronx wasn't on the map. Brooklyn was on the map. No, Brooklyn's still on the map. Well, there it is. Brooklyn rules. You could be in Dueselboff's journey and you say, you're Brooklyn in the map. No, Brooklyn's still on the map. Well, there it is. Brooklyn rules. You could be in Dueselboff's journey, and you say, you're Brooklyn in the house, and Buster White,

you're like, what the fuck? Brooklyn was the rule. Everywhere had that problem. Right. There was a record called Go Brooklyn. I think that's a Sonic. Yeah, it's still alive. Mighty Mike Masters, somebody.

Go Brooklyn. Go Brooklyn. Right. That was it. that was the club anthem that's what we did that's what it was so when i came with south bronx yeah that's where i want to go that's where it the bronx was on the map and then i mentioned dudes that were heavy in the bronx you know nine lives crew cypress boys real rock so what you're telling me is after you dropped the South Bronx, Shan dropped Kill That Noise. That's what made you drop Bridges over?

Yes. This is terrible. We should have never dropped Kill That Noise. No, never. Kill That Noise was horrible. First of all, it would have been over. It was horrible. This is terrible.

Well, actually, you know what? No. I got no horse in that race. No, let me tell you. When Kill That Noise came out, it was a hit. Was it? It was a hit. First of all,

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When he threw that on, it was hot. It was like, ooh, he came back. It wasn't whack until the Bridges Over came out. I'll take it from there. First off, you're hurting my feelings, but I need to know how this happened. I need to know. Because you're my favorite artist at the time. I need to know. You're my favorite artist at the time. I'm a child.

And you broke my dreams. Yeah. This is real shit. Made you a thug. Murder people. Yeah. All around the board. My whole life. When it's good, it's because of him.

And when it's bad, it's because of him. When it's bad, it's because of him. He's my God. Are you getting all this? Mad bodies. How did this session, how did it? Because you said you originally recorded an original version. It was a reggae version. No, no, no.

I never recorded it. Oh, just. I just said it in Scott's living room. And Scott said no. He said nah. Wow. And so you did the South Bronx. So I did the South Bronx.

And then Kill That Noise came out and did now... No, Scott got on the reggae when he heard the P is Free. When I did South Bronx and then the P is Free on the other side. You know... When we used to do that in the club, that was the rock. That was the record. So Scott was like, what's up, this reggae shit?

He started getting into it. Now he was on it. But then Shan answered us with kill that noise. If you knew what I knew, you'd kill that noise. And the record was hot for its time. And so we was like, you know what? We got this joint right here. And Scott didn't even.

So it was already recorded? No, it was all my record. Scott never recorded the bridges over. Okay. He never even. Well, he came for the mix of the second one. But when Shan put out his record, I went back to Ced G From Ultra Magnetic Who was doing our beats

And he said Actually he was sampling He had the SB12 So I asked him Yo give me some drums I'm going to go in the studio Up the block from Latin Quarters I found some little rinky dink studio

Like two blocks up And I said yo Shan came out with this joint. I'm coming back. Went in there and I produced the whole record. I took Seji's drums. Boom, boom, bap, bap, boom, bap, boom, boom, bap. That's the same beat we did on the bathroom wall in the shelter. Boom, boom, bap, bap, boom, bap.

And dudes used to just get it in that was just the standing beat so we did that put the super cat to it boom boom boom boom boom i played the piano one take one time you listen to the instrumental that's the sloppiest playing ever as errors mistakes all type of shitty but no one heard all that. Put my lyric down, the bridge is over. I did that shit strictly for Brooklyn. Straight up. South Bronx, that was straight up Gun Hill Road. Straight up Westchester.

Grand Concourse. Grand Concourse. That was straight that. This one, we say, yo, this is what Brooklyn is on right now. And nobody knows it. Nobody goes to the jams like, well, actually what it's called, the dansal, the dancehall. They don't go to that. We was up in there with Stone Love

and GT International and all of that. So when he was talking about battle, he was like, yo, we gonna battle the way they do in Jamaica. We gonna spit in the record back. He's up! Gunshot! And Americans never hurt.

They was like, what the fuck? The bridge is over. What am I buying? They didn't know what the fuck that was. It was like, yo. It was a sound clash. That's what it was called. Sound clash.

I'm not even from the bridge. I'm just from Queens. But it still hurts, Karen. I'm going to take a moment of silence. Take that moment. Let's drink to that. Let's drink to that. Let's drink that all. No, no. I can't make no noise. No, no. It's Karis. I'm going to take a moment of silence. Take that moment. Let's drink to that. Let's drink to that. No, no, I can't make no noise.

I can't cheer. It's a sad moment. We should be pouring it out. We should be pouring it out. So why did you even respond to Shannon? This time? Listen, let me just say, Shannon's still a godfather of Queens Bridge, of Queens. He is still a godfather No doubt Of Queensbridge, of Queens

He's still a forefather But this time, why did you respond? Shan is the reason KRS-One has a career Damn Okay Shan is the reason Let's make some noise for that, man For recognizing, in my opinion

The greatest battle on record No doubt On record, to me It opinion the greatest battle on record on record to me it was the greatest battle because it affected like it changed people's lives like right now when I see people battle it don't change people's lives we just laugh at them and you know but this like Queens had to prove

ourselves like we had to like you know what I mean like South Bronx was the position where y'all had to like you know what i mean like south bronx was was was was the position where y'all had to dig out the rubble i gotta i gotta i'm an outsider so i can say that i gotta go where he said it's like brooklyn has always been recognized i could remember back in uh 97 i used to go to atlanta and be like yo is is at Atlanta in the house? And nobody from Atlanta would never say anything.

And when I said, New York in the house, people go crazy. And I would say Brooklyn would be always my first choice. Brooklyn and these people go crazy. That's the issue we all had. And then I would see them backstage and be like, you from Brooklyn? Where you at? They'd be like, Queens Boulevard.

I'd be like, god damn it? Where at? They'll be like, Queens Boulevard. I'll be like, God damn it. This motherfucker's a lying motherfucker. But you changed the game from that. And so Shan responded to you recently. Yeah. Why? Did he start that or you started that? He started it.

He did an interview? No, no, no. He did a record. No you started that he started it yeah he just yeah he did an interview well no no no no no no he did a record no no he did well wait he didn't do a record no he did he did um he did uh uh wait wait let me go back just for the record i was battling some other dude in pitts? Yeah, maybe three months. You still battling with his cameras? No, I'm crushing him. Chill out, man. I come out to the supermarket,

dudes be like, yo, Chris, I want to battle. I be having eggs and bread in my fucking hand and shit. Stop, stop. Oh, it's real. I'm telling you, yo, it's a VR. But I give the young kids a run for their money, man. You still got it in you like that for real? No, they got to test somebody.

The young shooters got to know somebody. But nobody want to really test you, man. No, the young kids don't know my history, so don't tell them. Don't tell them. Let me spank that ass real quick. But the point is that I was battling some other dude. Some dude jumped on stage. He was dissing.

He was dressed like LL, holding LL's album. Oh, I saw that online. And I was freestyling. I said some whack shit about LL. I apologize for that because LL is up here. He's even before me. You know what I'm saying? There's no disrespect there.

But I was battling, and the battle is ferocious. He was like spurting. He held up LL's album. I was like, bang, bang, bang. So you're telling me some kid just jumped on stage and asked to battle you? Yeah, well, he just jumped on. He jumped on, so I gave him a shot. Why? What you got?

He spit his shit. It was corny. And so I started going in. Now, where you was at? Where was this at? Pittsburgh. Okay, you did say that. I'm sorry.

This is Pittsburgh. So in that, he put up Shan's album. And I said, we took Shan out already. What you holding this album up for? Shan heard that and said, fuck him. He ain't never took me out. This, that, and the other. Do you agree with his theory?

His theory is that y'all should have been in front of each other like how the battle rappers do now. Do you agree with his theory? His theory is that y'all should have been in front of each other like how the battle rappers do now. Do you agree with that theory? Yeah. He just never showed up. Dude, it's 30 years. It's 30 years. Dude, I've done festivals. I've been all up and down Queens.

Right, right, right. Jamaica, I have like a hundred times. That's a big fat card right there. Okay. All in Queensbridge. All on Queens block. There's no excuse. right there. Okay? All in Queensbridge. All on Queensblock. There's no excuse. Right, right, right.

Outdoor festivals. Come on, Summer Jam. Right. It's 30 years. And now he wants to do it face to face. That would be the end of his shit. If you ever want to see a motherfucker, that shit will be destructive. I don't know what he's asking for, but, you know, I eat off this shit, man.

This is my shit right here, you know? You still have it in you. Oh, no, John. He's about to battle you right now. So you really went in the studio and recorded a new record. Well, he came out with something. He did an interview, and he said some rhymes on the interview that he's coming at me. So out from, you don't just say, that's like pulling your gun and not shooting.

Like, what? You're going to pull your shit out? I'm blasting you. That's it. That's, I'm not, what? Right. That's the end of it. So he said his little piece.

So I put a piece out. So what did he exactly say? He, like, freesty Right. That's the end of it. So he said his little piece. So I put a piece out. So what did he exactly say? Like freestyle, the acapella. Yeah, but it sounded like it was written, though. It had no heart to it, like a real freestyle. He was reading some shit. And he read some shit off. You still have that in you.

And I just said, oh, fuck yeah. I'm going to Atlanta. Right. I'm going to Atlanta. That's what dude is at. Oh, that's what Shan did. Yeah, Shan worked at a place called Club Babes to Atlanta. Right. I'm going to Atlanta. That's what dude is at. Oh, that's what Shan is at. Yeah, Shan work at a place called Club Babes in Atlanta. Okay, I'm going there.

Okay, that's where I'm going. I don't know what I just started. I don't know what I just did. That's what we want. Do more bodies. I'm not even. Come on. No, no, no.

You want to see it. Let's get it popping. So you would be willing. Yo, drink champs. I think this is an opportunity for us, right? No, no, no, no, no. I don't want anything to do with this battle. I just want to see it online.

Loyal to Queens. I'm loyal to Queens, man. Listen, I don't really want to see this battle happen. Can you... Is there any way we can chill you out? Or no? Nah, nah. It's finished.

What did he say that ignited you to want to go at him again? It's not what is being said. It's the audacity to even think that after 30 years, you got something for me. You are crazy. You obviously want more hits on your shit or whatever it is. Let me give them to you. Let me give them to you. Let me blink you up.

Because, again, let me also say this. If Shan never answered me, I would not have a career. Now you're saying from the South Bronx. From the South Bronx. Right. Okay, that record could have been a one hit. Like, if South Bronx came out, we would have had one hit. Okay?

We had no other shot. Shan answered would kill that noise, and he didn't have to. So we came back with the bridges over, and that's when we was able to follow up with Criminal Minded. We had four songs on the market. Now, Shan is the reason I exist, so the least I could do is bust his ass. Right. Show him that love.

That's the least I could do. You know what I'm saying? Show him that love. That's nice of you. And hopefully, I say, yo, somebody should write for Shan. See, back to your first question. Right. Back to the first one.

Now, see, if someone wrote for Shan, I would not be mad at all. Fuck that, man. Save that nigga, man. Please. So you kept saying to him, you told him his name is not spelled backwards Your father Yo, let me pick up my nigga Nas real quick Not the Queens bridge was done Until Illmatic came out Okay just for the history

Queensbridge was done Criminal Minded was the shit That was it okay I think Illmatic Was better than Criminal Minded That's my opinion Um Um me being a Queens

Kid I can understand Where you coming from, but me living in that era, I got to say criminal-minded, if it wasn't a criminal-minded, it wouldn't be an ill matter. We could say that, no doubt, no doubt. We could say that.

So, yeah. We could say that. I'm a real hip-hop kid, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. We're trying to hit you with a turn in this question. No, no, no. I'm sorry, K.R. No, no, no. I'm sorry.

I hit you with a real nigga shit. No, you're totally real with it. You know what I mean? Because you influence Nas, too. But you know what No, no, no. I'm sorry. I hit into a real nigga shit. No, you totally real with it. You know what I mean? Because you influence Nas, too. But you know what? You know what you are starting right now? All right. Whoever's listening to us right now,

go and listen to both albums right now. Back to back. Back to back. Listen to the whole Criminal Minded and listen to the whole Illmatic. I did that this morning. That's the crazy shit. Yo, listen, listen, listen.

You know, Criminal criminal mind is one of my favorite albums i just it's two records i can't really listen to but i listen to them but this morning i just woke up and i was like i wanted to listen to ill magic i don't know why and i just listened to it and then i listened to criminal another one if you want to switch to champagne so I understand what you're saying but me living in that era that's I can 100% tell you Nas

would answer the question the same way he'd be like if it wasn't for a criminal minded he wouldn't know because you made us step our game up you know what I mean but that game got stepped up to the point where hip-hop changed. No, but you changed hip-hop too, just in case,

because I know you're a legend and you're humble, but you changed hip-hop. You was the first person. You was our Malcolm X. Let me break that down to you. No doubt. It's because hip-hop had took a,

like the PM Dawns, and it took a, hey, we're cool approach. But we wanted to keep that attitude, but we also wanted to learn something. And that's the position you fulfilled. That's why your name as a teacher would never be tested. No doubt. At all.

No one could ever say he's not a teacher because you taught us. No doubt. At all. No one can ever say he's not a teacher because you taught us. No doubt. The Wu-Tangs, the Mob Deeps, the Cabona Noriegas, the Nasas. So I can't agree with your statement. I know your statement is humble, saying that Illmatic is better. I think it is beat for beat, rhyme for rhyme. No, but that's not how history happens. No, I understand that. Because how history happens is they say, you know, this happened in order for this to be better.

I hear that. Wait, I was coming from a different perspective. No, but you're coming from a humble perspective. We're talking about Shan, though. Yeah, you're a great guy. You're a great guy. We understand where you're coming from. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

How else was Queensbridge supposed to come back? No, but... If Nas had dropped that Illmatic... Now, let's answer Shan's question, because I listened to the interview. Okay. Shan is also a guard to me. No doubt.

He said that Molly told him not to respond. What do you think of that? That's pussy. All right, damn it. That's pussy. Fuck that. God damn it. It was right for him to respond. I wanted him to to respond. What do you think of that? That's pussy. Oh, damn. That's pussy. Fuck that. God damn it. It was right for him to respond.

I wanted him to say something. Fuck that. That shit's pussy shit. We got KRS. You a grown ass man. Oh my God. We got KRS. We got KRS.

That's what I'm talking about. Oh my God. No, that's pussy shit. Oh my God. How the fuck a grown ass man going to tell you not to respond? We eating your ass right now, nigga. Somebody going to say, no, nigga, don't respond and shit.

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Welcome to Play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play.it. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN I don't even know where to go with this Come on, K If we're going to wrap this up No, no, no Y'all got to get out of here, man

Before we wrap this up I'm the only Miami representative here right now Yes So it wouldn't be right for you to walk away Without me to represent my generation Of Miami hip-hop culture No doubt And when you recorded with Mother Superior Yes This album didn't really see the light of day.

For the lamest, this is your usually line, what's Mother Superior? Mother Superior is this dope MC that came out of Miami in the early mid-90s. Okay. And she was spearheading our movement. I mean, there was those funky bastards. There was society, home team. We had a bubbling movement that was parallel to the bass movement. Bass, no doubt, is a part of our Miami culture. But we had a hip-hop.

And the way you guys were talking about how everybody was talking about the Brooklyn, the Bronx, or whatever in the clubs, we had that problem here. So what we're trying to do is build our own identity. He did a record with Mother Superior. So she did this album. She got signed to Island Music. That's right. Strictly off of underground radio, she did a song called Rock Bottom, which was totally representative of Miami.

And then he did a record with her, a couple. But this one record, I put on one of my mixtapes, but her album never came out. It got shelved. And he said, where you at, where you at? Miami's on the map.

I don't know if you remember that hook. He remembers everything. That made the world of difference for a Miami hip-hop kid. Okay. And you couldn't leave without me telling you that because it made the world of difference for all of us out here.

Let's make some noise for that. I felt it. Let's make some noise. And shout out to Mother Superior, too. Shout out to Mother Superior. She was hot, man, when she was coming up. Brimstone, word. Pito Gatto, Lord of Empire.

One question. Where was your mind at when you made the sound of the police? I was sick of these pigs, man, shooting us down in the street. And it's still going on. And it's still happening. Well, it was going on since we got here. So what was the sound? What year was that, technically?

95. Damn it. And what year are we at now? 2016. That's 20 years, 21 years. And you made that record then. Yeah. And it's still going on now.

Still to this day. Lil N.W.A., man. Fuck the police. What year was Fuck the Police? That was 89. In 89. 89. 89.

And see, this is the thing is, when people say, you know, black people are overdoing it. We have documents, records that says that these people was doing it. So I would just like to say, what was the mindset? You wrote this in the South Bronx? Well, keep in mind that,

wow, I don't even know how to say this, but in the Bronx, if you was really successful with your hustle in the hood, the cops was your friends. Larry Davis. Yeah, they were. Larry Davis was right on our block. Like Webster Project. He was up the block from Webster Project. That whole thing went down.

The cops was like, they were gangsta. It's like, oh, boom. Okay, to speed this up. Training day. The movie Training Day? That happened in the Bronx. That shit is every day, all day. Okay, just go watch Training Day

and you'll know what it is. There's just another gang with another jurisdiction. You said that back then. And this is what we was dealing with. So if you remember in Boogie Down Productions, we had a dude called Robocop that was with us. And there were two of them. One was the lead bouncer at Latin Quarters

who was known for breaking dudes up in Latin Quarter. He had a reputation. You didn't want to deal with this dude, okay? And there was another dude that was a state trooper, a New Jersey state trooper. When I'm posing on the cover of By All Means Necessary with the Uzi, the Uzi is from a New Jersey State Trooper. I tried to bite his cover, remember? In the studio? I tried to bite your cover. I had a chopper. I didn't look as cool as you.

That was from a New Jersey State Trooper. So with us, it was like, it got to a point we was like you know what we we can't associate with you anymore because of what was going on it was a split like in our own community because like if you really in the hood like like you could be selling mad drugs but your brother's a cop like your cousin's a cop your uncle's a cop like you know it's not just oh i'm a cop. Your uncle's a cop. Like, you know, it's not just, oh, I'm a cop and everybody around me is clean. It's the exact opposite. Dudes that are cops, even today, they got to live with people. Like, imagine you a cop and every day you see crime all around you, every day. Like, you can just pick, okay, I'm going to arrest you today.

How did you come up with the analogy from officer to overseer? Oh, but that's some old shit because when we were first brought here not as slaves but really as soldiers on the Spanish side and then slaves on

the English side, although that's controversial too. Yo, Ha. Yo, hit. Yo, hit that. controversial, too. But, yo, Ha. Yo, hit. Yo, hit that. Yo, we got to get you a new phone, KRS. No, I need that one. I need that shit. I need that shit.

Listen, man. My shit is 80s. You got a flip phone, KRS. We can't do that. We can't do that. Yo, I'm bringing that shit back. Fuck that. I'm personally buying you a iPhone.

I got a beeper, nigga. What? I got a beeper. Yo, listen. There's no word. I said, yo. I want a beeper. I got a beeper. I feel like I got a beeper, nigga. What? I got a beeper. Yo, listen. This is no word. I said, yo, I want a beeper. I feel like I got a beeper. I didn't bring my shit.

Yo, I got a beeper. No, you serious? I'm serious. No, I thought you were fucking up. I got a beeper, man. I can't hold my beeper, man. Let's bring beepers back. Yo, let's bring beepers back.

Yo, fuck that. Yo, K.R.S. You want to get it with Dream Champs? You got a beeper. Yeah, yeah. You got a beeper. I'm personally buying K.R.S. on my iPhone, though. Oh, well, okay. Let's bring it back. Yo, fuck that. Yo, K.R.S. If you want to get with Dream Champs, you got to beep us. Yeah, yeah. You got to beep us. I'm personally buying K.R.S. on my iPhone, though. Oh, whoa.

Okay. That's my word. Okay, okay, okay. So, you remember what you was talking about? Because it's Dream Champs. You can forget it and we're going to change the subject. No, no. Okay.

Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's okay. Listen. Rewind the tape. Cops in the community. No. Oh, cops in the community. That's right.

Cops in the community. That's right. Sounding the police. So, the cops is always your friends in the hood, which is the weirdest shit. Right. Because when you really in the hood, cops ain't arresting you and shooting you. These are bitches that are shooting at us. These motherfuckers, that ain't no real shit.

Yeah. That's some bullshit. Okay. That's scared. They said we scared. Right. That's why we shoot, because we scared. Real cops. Yeah. That's some bullshit. Okay, that's scared. They said we scared. Right. That's why we shoot, because we scared. Real cops, they know exactly who's selling, who to hit.

Right. The DA, yo, go watch Training Day. Right. The DA tell you, go hit this dude. You know what I say? Don't hit this dude. Don't hit this one. I say all the time, when we have police brutality is when they stop letting the cops from the hood. Right. Because you know what you call it from down the block.

He went to school with him. You know he's a thief. Right. You don't need to kill him. Right. But what happened is they take the cops from our hood and they bring them to another place. Right. You don't need to kill him. Right. But when what happened is they they take the cops from our hood and they bring them to another place. Right. And then they bring the cops from another place. Right. And that's and they don't know. No borderline. That's that's that's one of the essential reasons why police brutality exists.

Because if you had Jamal that that's from Soundview projects and that went to school in Soundview, and then now is patrolling Soundview, he's going to be different as opposed to Walter. He's a real judge. As opposed to Walter, who's from wherever, wherever, but now he's patrolling Soundview. He's never seen a kid with braids. He's never seen a kid eat a 10-cent ice.

So he's going to just do whatever. But wait a minute. There's one more piece to that. He's going to just do whatever. But wait a minute. There's one more piece to that. There's one more piece to that. Add on. The police are supposed to be the model citizen in the community. No matter who you are. White cop, black cop, Latino cop, Asian cop, Arab cop.

I don't give a fuck who you are. You take police training, you're supposed to be the model citizen. You should have the most restraint. You should have the most restraint. Okay? Kids are looking at you. They should be able to look at you and be like, yo, dad, I want to be a cop. And your dad

be like, yo, you got to really be a good man to be a cop. And that's what it's supposed to be. But our children, forget adults, okay? Right. Children know the cops are corrupt. Yep. Right. Okay, that's the state we at, right? Kids, not, forget the adults.

Right. Kids know I'm not safe around this dude. I'd rather be around my shooters over here wearing the rag on their head. Right. I'm more safe around crips and bloods. Right. I'd rather hide, yo, I'm not even going to say that shit. No, no, get ahead. I'm more safe around crips and bloods. I'd rather hire... Yo, I'm not even going to say that shit. No, no, go ahead.

I'm just saying, I'd rather hire them, which we do, as opposed to some off-duty cop. Years ago, we used to hire off-duty cops, ex-FBI. These dudes need jobs. You just go ahead and you hire them for a night. You give them some money. You're doing your country a service. These are veterans and shit. You just go ahead and you hire them for a night. You give them some money. You're doing your country a service. These are veterans and shit.

You do your thing. Now, it's like, nah, man, let me organize these blogs over here. Hit them with some money because that's all they on the street for. Let me hit them with some cash. Y'all can stand there and just do what you're supposed to do and get organized. I'd rather hire them. As long as we know that we're not safe around the police this whole shit is corrupt and let me show you this on some illuminati shit if you really want to know years ago like 82 there was a supposedly

a conspiracy theory going around, about 8283, that said that the New World Order is going to include a global police force. And the way to implement the global police force was for local police to become so hated by the local community that the local communities cry out for international interference. So now you have these cops today randomly just shooting down black people, just shooting, and it's stupid.

It's like, it's ridiculous. Now the rest of the world is saying, yo, what's up with America What's up You go to other places you don't know where you go to places Dudes looking at us like we crazy Like yo what's going on I got Africans asking me yo bro What's up man a black man

Like sometimes you land in these different countries They be like welcome like you survived Like you're here Like you survived And you think that's because Barack became president? It got worse? Nah, nah. What are you saying?

The image is being put out there. You saying it's all right. Yeah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You know what it got to do? It got a lot of factors in it. First of all, people want black people in jail. Okay? People making money on it.

Black people are making money on black people in jail. Okay? This black DA. Business. Like OK, this black DA is like Michael Jordan. You say, well, no doubt this black DA sending black people to prison. Black judges are sending black people to prison. Black cops are sending black people to prison. Black cops, black cops, stop shooting black people. We are going to drop. I got you. All right. Cool. You know, so it's like, it's like, are we really at war

with any outside force or are we at war with ourselves or are we just going along with the script that they have planned for us? And it's like straight up and down. They just had, Talib Kweli was just with me

the other day. He came over. Yes, in Orlando. In Orlando. I'm on you. I was stalking you. It was just at the the other day. He came over. Yes, in Orlando. In Orlando. I'm on you. I was stalking you. It was just at the White House, too. He just told me.

He just came from the White House. Yeah. With a couple other rappers were there. And really nothing got discussed, you know. And they never call people like me or Chuck or M1. They don't call me neither. They don't call no one. Because I'm a shooter, though.

No doubt. That's what they need though That's what they need It's all over my record care But you know what they had Rick there You know what I'm saying He had an ankle brace You know what I'm saying So I'm saying no why don't they call

Because they know you're going to come with the truth Here's the point Is that We're moving into this script The United States has to become what its name is in order for it to survive. United. United. Fuck all

this black shit, white shit. Give me this shit. This is legendary. This is a picture right here. America. We gotta become united. United. America gotta stand up for America Like straight up When you go to other countries

Niggas dissing us man Dissing Americans Dissing Not everybody Because But you remember when Barack first came president We were the shit Everybody was

We were the shit When we went overseas Yo when I went overseas They was like Black man I was like Oh shit Like the first year Word Then overseas, they was like, black man. I was like, oh, shit.

Like the first year. Word. Then after that, they was like, yeah. It was like, oh, shit. You know what? Now, there's a rumor that you didn't fly. That's right. You was taking boats. Yep.

And federal. Oh, no doubt. And Aretha Franklin. So do you fly now? No, I fly privately. I love flying. I fly privately. I love flying. I fly helicopters. I fly private jets, things like that.

I take a few private jets here and there. But commercial airlines for me is too much. The love in the hood is too much. For KRS, I can't do nothing. To get to the airport, it takes me an hour. The baggage claim bugging. The whole baggage claim. I got to take pictures with everybody.

I'm not leaving my people. I'm not just going to walk past you. So everybody say, yo, Chris. I got to stop. I got to take pictures. I got to sign shit. Get on the plane. The stewardess bugging.

The people on the plane bugging. The captain. I said, you know what? And this was 97. I said, forget it. I'm not flying. I'm not flying no captain. I said, you know what? And this was 97. I said, forget it. I'm not flying. I'm not flying no more. I can't.

You haven't flown since 97? Yeah, since 97. Actually, 96, to be honest with you. Let's make some noise for him being rich. I don't know. You got to read between the lines. That's some rich shit. He said, listen.

Go ahead. It's not rich. I'm not a rich man. I'm a very poor man. No, no. Me too. I say the same shit. I take a vow of poverty.

I'm not rich at all. Me too. I'm a poverty nigga. Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it, my brother. But you own your private things. Let's talk about that.

But I will privately. Look, I take very good care of my wife and my children. Okay, that's what it is. I don't need anything. Right. But they't need anything. Right. But they need a lot. So, you know, I say, look, I don't want to have a career where I'm away from my kids or my wife and this, that, and the other. And I can't be away from my wife.

She books all the tours. Did you book a boat to London? I heard that, too. I heard this story. That's why I'm rushing out of here now. To get the boat? Yeah, I'm going to Spain tomorrow. Wait, tell him off.

Tell him off. He's drunk. Tell him off. Tell him off. Are you getting on a boat to Spain? That's why I'm in Miami. I'm going to tomorrow. This is great.

Norwegian cruise pulls right up to your port. I'm getting on that shit. And then it goes to Spain. It goes to Spain. How many days is that? 14 days. I'll be in Barcelona. What?

He's shitting on the cruise the whole 14 days. No doubt. This is crazy. You and Khaled is like the only two left. Did you know Khaled don't fly neither? Nah. I got that from Joe, I think. I expected, though. Why should Khaled fly? Why should he fly?

So why you wouldn't fly commercially? First of all, like I told it, though. No, why should Colin fly? Why should he fly? So why you wouldn't fly commercially? Well, first of all, like I told you, commercial travel to me is just hectic. Besides that, like, you know. Now, besides that, I have books to write. I got rhymes to write. I read a lot. My life is slower.

You know what I'm saying? I take time with my family, my wife, my daughter, my sons. You need time for that. So, you know, 14 days at sea. I'm finishing up three books that I'm just finishing up writing. So you're saying you just zone out. You zone out. Oh.

You zone out. I'm going to try that one time. You should try writing rhymes in the middle of the Atlantic. I got ADD. Hit that water. You don't have ADD. You smoke too much. That's my ADD.

I might just jump off that seat. Actually, no. ADD is cured. Marijuana c Hit that water. You don't have ADD. You smoke too much. That's my ADD. I might just jump over that seat. Actually, no. ADD is cured. Marijuana cures that shit. That's what I'm saying. That's why he doesn't have ADD. And the thing is, the weed I smoke is so loud. It's going to be a judge that come up.

I'm going to tell you a story, right? No doubt. I'm going to tell you a story. I was in Hawaii because I remember this story because he's drinking Mai Tais. So I'm in Hawaii, right? I'm out. Hold on Tais. So I'm in Hawaii, right? I'm out. Hold on, hold on. I'm smoking weed, right?

This is my first marriage. It's my first. I'm married again. It's my second one. Righteous. Pray for me. No doubt. No doubt.

So I'm sitting there smoking. The people at the Four Seasons, the Four Seasons Maui. So they call me and they say, yo, are you smoking up there? And I'm like, yeah. I don't know what I paid for this room, but I just know my accountant lost her mind. So I'm like, yeah, I'm smoking. They're like, would you mind not smoking on the terrace? So I said, now you're inviting me to smoke in the room.

They're like, you're right. They're like, we have a very important guest that is upstairs. And I'm like, did the guest pay more than me? And they're like, no. So I'm like, well, they're like, Mr. Santiago? That's my last name. I don't know if you know I'm Puerto Rican. Make some noise for Latinos. But I'm black, well, they're like, Mr. Santiago? That's my last name. I don't know if you know I'm Puerto Rican. Make some noise for Latinos.

But I'm black and Latino. So they say. I'm actually performing in Santiago in Spain. This is a gift. No doubt. So they say to me, they say, you're right. You're actually outside. You can't do it.

Boom. I look on the news. This is when Oprah's stepson had drowned in Hawaii and Maui. So the person I was telling them to tell them, fuck that, I paid the same amount, was fucking Oprah. Oh. This is horrible. This is a morbid story, man.

That shit is dope. I like that shit. It's dope because- I like that. I actually paid square for square. We had the same exact room. God bless, you know, the people who passed away and everything. But that shit was just a moment for me.

No doubt. It was a moment for just me standing my ground. But now I'm married again. Yeah. And trying to make this one work. That's right. Second was always the best. You were in the second one, too?

Yeah, Miss Melody was first. Okay. I was about a year and a half And big up to her Rest in peace Rest in peace No no no Miss Melody passed away

Yes Miss Melody's out God bless I did not know that I'm every religion by the way No doubt So if you see me do that No doubt I'm Muslim

Respect to that my chief Christian No doubt God body Yes Yo Keres Thank you so much For hanging out with us

We're not gonna We can keep going With you forever And I'll come back You have to I got 14 days When I come back The people need you

Let's just break it down For these people You are going 14 days So now how does this cruise happen You leave Miami Yes Do you stop anywhere Yes

Where do you stop at We stop at Funk Hall Africa We stop at Hold on You go from Miami to Africa Oh yeah We got a little piece of Africa Real quick Yes. Where do you stop at? We stop at Funk Hall Africa. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. You go from Miami to Africa? Oh, yeah, we got a little piece of Africa real quick. This is a trip that goes from Miami to fucking Africa, and I've never heard about it. He's starting on us right now.

Wait a minute, there's some Bahamas, a little Bahamas. A little Bahamas. A little Bahamas, then you get out to Africa, then you get out. And you've done this trip before? Oh, yeah, no doubt. Not on this ship, but I've done other ships. I've done this trip. And how many times do you say you've done this?

Oh, sailed? Yes. Oh, at least 30 times. And you believe in a boat, so you've never seen Titanic? No, no, no. There's no Titanic. There's no Titanic. Anywhere in the Atlantic Ocean, the Coast Guard will get you in 10 minutes. Anyway.

That's bullshit. That's just movie shit. There's rich motherfuckers on that boat. That it ain't that. All that bullshit, that's just movie shit. That's movie shit. This rich motherfucker's on that boat. That boat ain't going nowhere. Right, right. Shit, there's nowhere. There's no Titanic. There's no Titanic. Now, mind you now.

Come on now, Caribbean cruises and all that. How about the hood cruise? What's the circle? What's the circle? Say again? You get sea miles. Do I get them? Sea miles.

Oh, yeah, no doubt. You get platinum, gold, status. No, but Caribbean be sucking out their passengers. No doubt. No, but some of those ships. The triangle, the Bermuda Triangle. You ever been there? Yeah.

We in it. Miami's a part of the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. You've been to the Bermuda Triangle. You go right through it. Get the fuck out of here. You go right through it. The Bermuda Triangle only acts up when, like, you know,

you have to go through that at, like, it's like certain seasons where they say boats are dead. Yeah, it's like hurricane season or this kind of thing. Look, everything's explainable. So get to the bottom line. You trust a boat more than a plane. No, no, no. Okay. I trust me driving shit more than anything.

Okay. I would prefer to get my own boat and sail across the sea myself. But I'm not going to settle for a small yacht. I could do a small yacht right now, but that's not what I want. What I want is an actual ship that I could go across, and that costs mad money. So I'm just holding out until I can get my own ship, and then I could steer my sail. Some motherfuckers want to buy planes. They want to own liquor.

K-Rus want to own a ship. God damn it, make some noise. God damn it. Straight up, no doubt. So you think, I'm going to give you this last one. This is the last question. Boxing don't have no

representative, which means that if you're a boxer, you make Boxing Yes Don't have no representative Which means That if you're a boxer You make it You make it If you're a boxer You don't make it You're fucked up

There's no There's no reparations There's no Like you know Type of You know To hold you down Hip hop is the only

Other I want to say Entertainment company That We might have 30 people that's down with us. Right. But when you go on that vocal booth or you go to perform that record, it's just you. Right. Similar to boxing. Right.

We don't have nothing representing us in hip-hop. We hear that the president just recently met with these people, Talib, Kweli, brothers that we know, Busta Rhymes. What do you think is our solution to make, we need a hip hop union. You wanted the life insurance or the health insurance. No, no, I'm even further than that now.

yeah, well, let me, let me, wow. Cause like right now, like, like DOC,

right? Yeah. Phenomenal guy lost his voice. No doubt. They should have been health insurance that kind of helped him restore that. We didn't have that. And right now, because Jadakiss said something on our podcast. He said, we're the only people who have a hip-hop South, a hip-hop West.

Regions, yeah. There's no hip-hop. There's no rock and roll South. Right. There's no rock and roll. Why are we segregating ourselves? Why are we segregating ourselves? Why are we segregating? And do we need this policy where we, if Kool Herc gets sick, we can go and help him?

Right. Do we need that? Yes, we do. Yes, we do. And I advocate it. Absolutely. Unity is the only thing. We talked about American unity.

Let's tweak it down to hip hop unity. Hip hop is the greatest urban movement to hit human history. Let's just start human history. them seeing graffiti art, DJing, beatboxing. You could add street fashion, language, knowledge, all of that. That movement in the hood, that right there, hip-hop is what America really is. It's like the true declaration of independence. It's what

America is. But we got these old people. You asked me also about hip-hop's old school. Okay? I have respect for the old school. We always should. Those are the ancestors. Those are the elders. Those are the fathers. Godfathers and so on. That's what it

is. Right. But when you don't do your job, you don't deserve the respect of the youth. Elders always asking for respect that they don't deserve the respect of the youth. Elders always asking for respect that they don't deserve. Me, I try to earn the respect of the youth. I don't look down on them. I think they're smarter than me.

I think they're faster than me. I think they think of things beyond what I can think about. Now, of course, I tell them, hey, look, I'm the old head in the room, and I like that shit. I'm 50. Fuck this shit, okay? That's my shit. I got an AARP card. Wait, come on.

Come on, show me your AARP card. Come on, sonny, show me your AARP card. Keep him. Yo, hold on. My nigga got an AARP card. I ain't got my wallet with me. I'm with him shit out there. He's proud. He's proud.

Proud holder. This has got to be the next episode. My dude got his... Yo, yo, yo. Yo. Yo, yo. That's what I'm saying. What?

Hold on. What? 50% off hotels. Free bagels at Denny's. Free fucking bullshit. What? Yo, this is going to be the next episode. This is going to be the...

This shit is madness. Yo, yo. That's crazy. Yo, let me tell you. Okay? Go ahead. Yo, we the elders in this. Young people are supposed to look up to us and be like,

yo, that's what it means to be 50 in hip hop. Word. You got your knowledge down pat, your family straight. You got your money right. You doing your thing. That's what young people need to see and see more of. The blueprint. The blueprint.

Now, we gonna do it. Shows like this, Your shit bringing people together Right now as we speak Right now as we speak Dudes is hearing what it is What we gotta do Is really unite

And here's what it's gonna take Here's you asked this About to stop the violence movement About why brothers Ain't doing that today What What's so hard to do that today Too much

Too much competition, not enough cooperation. We live in a capitalist society. I'm going to try to pass you the blunt. Come on, man. That's okay. We live in a capitalist society where competition is the number one order of the day. So the young are trained to kill the old so that you can be what it is.

The young are trained to kill the old. The old are trained to kill the young so you can stay in power. Kill these young as they coming up. Why is our hip-hop the only generation, like the Ozzy Brothers, Kator, Forever? Why do they try to kill the older people?

Well, it's that competition. It's still competition. Look, when we stop thinking of hip-hop as a music and start thinking of it as a culture, a nation, a community, when you start realizing that you are a nation,

you're a sovereign nation, all we got to do is unite. There's no ages in this culture. Just unite. Here's the unity, all right? Here it is. Let's print our own currency. All right?

Start right there. This is the unity of any nation. Starts with trust. We print $100,000 for every hip-hop citizen in existence. We got about a million citizens. This is brilliant. We print $100 million of our currency. We get Jay-Z.

We get Nas. Jay-Z currency. We get 50 Cent. 50 Cent will be a 50 Cent. There you go. That's hard. That's hard. He'll be a 50 Cent.

I'm coming right now. He'll be a 50 Cent piece. A 50 right now. He'll be a 50 cent piece. A 50 is worth more than that. But I'm saying, print our own currency. And let's see if the people will spend that. No, they will.

You'll be instantly rich. So instead of people buying albums, we give them currency. Give them currency. Buy our currency, not our albums. Instead of Bitcoin,

it's hip hop currency. Right, forget selling the album. We did that. We know that game. Now, let's sell currencies in which you got the KRS currency. And dude be like, yo, this shit is worth this this week. Up against the American dollar. Up against the yen.

Up against the euro. This is mad, bro. Up against this shit. Yo, look, if you gave me $100,000. No, let's say I gave you $100,000. You can give me $100,000. let's say I gave you $100,000. You can give me $100,000. Okay, I'll give you $100,000. I got you.

Hip-hop currency. Currency. Okay, hip-hop. Now, you're going to spend it with my man right here. What we want is specialized people to have this money. Electricians. Right now, hip-hop is old enough. We got doctors, lawyers.

UPS workers. UPS workers, we got all kinds of people, and entrepreneurs. And entrepreneurs. Okay, huge entrepreneurs. All we gotta do is trade our own currency with each other. There's hip-hoppers that

own stores, farms. Look, dude, fuck that American dollar. Fuck the euro. Fuck the pound fuck all that shit I wanted to see if you were going to hit the blunt I'm sorry Kairos I had to try you this is paper this is see through paper

no no no this is see through paper I'm going to be up until 4 in the morning see through paper Kairos that shit look plastic No, no, no, no. It's a see-through paper. I ain't gonna fuck with you. I got you. I'm gonna be up till four in the morning. Come on, let's take this flick. Let's see through paper, K-Rest. I just wanna hit one for life. That shit look plastic. I'm not fucking with you.

It's plastic. I don't fuck with that shit. I ain't fucking with that shit. He not gonna fuck with your shit. It's the new generation. Roll a joint, nigga. Yo, we got a joint. We got a joint somewhere around here.

Somewhere around here. Yo, K-Rest, I love you so much, man. Thank you so much, man. Thank you so much for joining us and being a great sport. You took a drink. You even tried to smoke. You didn't want to. You got it in some weird shit.

No, no, it's classic. It's classic. You got some blunt. You want to smoke a blunt? We can give you a blunt. Bring you back to the joint. I'm an old school doobie brother. I'm a doobie brother.

Can you pass that over there? Can you pass that over there? That's the drink chance. What a fool be me. We got to take one picture with you over there. Hakeem Green. There's no way I could thank you ever in my life. I'm going to be in your video.

Just let me have a moment. I'm going to be in your video. But there's no way I could thank you ever in life because this is actually like one of the first hip hop albums I ever listened to. Monumental, man. This man right here. One of the first people that I ever said that I thought about, like my mom's like, what you going to be in life? And I was just like, I don't know. I knew I couldn't be a teacher.

Not like you. But you are. But I am a teacher. You are. But not like you. I'm a different teacher because I show them the different paths. But if I've never heard you, I would have never wanted to speak. I would never be here. Wow. You know what I'm a different teacher because I show them the different paths. But if I've never would have heard you, I would have never wanted to speak. I would never be here.

Wow. You know what I'm saying? So Hakeem Green, you know, that's my brother. He called me. And when he called me, I said I knew the number, but I hit him back. Yo, I just hit a record with Hakeem called Madism, Sparking Madism. And he got a website, right? Come on, Hakeem, come over here. Yo, what up?

Come over here. Here, here. Hit over here. Yo, yo, yo. Come over here. Here, here. Hit that mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So shout out to your website, Hakeem Green. We got the madism.org popping off the Ultimate Cannabis Journal. You know, you got the madism popping off internationally. It's big money right now.

I want to make sure my people get a taste of that. You know what I mean? So see us over at madism.org so you can keep up with all the latest grow techniques. You know what I mean? For grow, when you say grow, let's just be honest. I'm talking about weed. I'm talking about cannabis. I'm talking about that goodness, that chronic, that, you know, what we do.

That's right. What we got going on right now. That's right. You know, cats need to know how to grow for themselves. It's not just about smoking it, but industrial hemp is a multi-billion dollar industry. We've seen you with a pipe in the mail. We've seen you. You just got a pipe in the mail. Yeah, we got the whole, we got the hot box, you know what I mean?

The hot box. We got different ways of, you know, the vaping, we got the smoke and the leaves, the paper, the blood, the whole, but we got the hot box. It's just a special way of inhaling, you know what I mean? It's real, real good. That shit is important, man. Now, KRS, I got one more.

Are you a vegetarian? What are you? Yeah, yes. So you don. I got one more. Are you a vegetarian? What are you? Yeah, yes. So you don't eat no fish? No. I try to eat. I lean toward a vegetarian diet, but I do eat fish. You eat fish.

I'm pescatarian as well. I'm not a vegetarian, right? But I am about my health. I do a lot of juicing. And I see you keep up with the bartenders. I'll be trying. And I'm happy about that. I'll be trying.

I'll be fucking up. Then I drink. You're running. You're running. Everything's good until we get here. I came be happy about that. I'll be trying. I'll be fucking up. Then I drink. You're running. You're running. Everything's good until we get here. I came green. Salute, bro. Thank you so much for plugging this in, my brother.

Yo, KRS. Yo, I called you Chris for the first time in my life. I never called you Chris. That's right. That's KRS. No, no, no. But you know what? It's through the records.

It's like I never knew if I had the ability to call you Chris. Thank you so much. I appreciate this, man. It was the the records. It's like, I never knew if I had the ability to call you Chris. Thank you so much. I appreciate this, man. It was the greatest sport. You actually sat down and drank. I didn't think I was going to be able to. I didn't think I was going to be able to get away with it. Shout out to Sidebar.

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