Drink Champs - Episode 502 w/ Layzie Bone

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary, Layzie Bone!Hip hop royalty steps into the building as Layzie Bone pulls up to the legendary Drink Champs for an unforgettable conversation packed with stories, legacy, and real talk. This episode dives deep into Layzie’s journey from the streets of Cleveland to becoming part of one of the most influential rap groups of all time, Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.Layzie reflects on the group’s rise alongside mentor Eazy-E, the creation of their signature melodic flow, and the impact classic albums had on hip hop culture worldwide. The episode also touches on brotherhood, industry politics, financial lessons, and surviving decades in the music business while staying true to the culture.With classic Drink Champs energy, plenty of laughs, and unforgettable behind-the-scenes moments, Layzie Bone delivers gems for longtime fans and new listeners alike. From legendary collaborations to untold stories about hip hop’s golden era, this episode is a must-watch celebration of resilience, influence, and rap history.Make some noise for Layzie Bone!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And when we started this show, we said we wanted to give flowers to the legends. You know, the people who are icons, people who have made it here, who have stood the test of time, who are real, real, you know, icons in this business. You know what I mean? This brother right here, he's not only a part of a legendary group. He has a legendary on his own. We are going to give him his flowers today. We're going to make sure the industry understand how important it is and make sure I understand how legendary this moment is right now.

In case you don't motherfuckin' know what we're talking about. So what's going on, my brother? I love this story, right? How you brothers come from Cleveland, right? Right, right. How did y'all link with easy to even take that bus ride to go to L.A., to, to, to, to, to, Link with Easy. Had y'all knew y'all was linking

with Easy or y'all was just going to L.A. on some... I mean, we knew we knew we wanted the link with Easy. You know what I mean? At that time when we was in Cleveland, we had a local tape out called Faces of Deaf things like that. So we was making our...

We was doing our thing in Cleveland, but at the time it was like, who would you rather be with? Dre or EasyE. My thing was always easy. He owned the company. You know, I was always infatuated. with the Russell's and the Jay Prince's and EasyE. But dope, man, that was my childhood.

So we're like, shit, we fucking with EasyE. So we're telling the whole hood, man, we're gonna go meet EasyE one day and all. They're like, quit bullshit, and it. But that was the goal, though, to get to EasyE, you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't like we had it planned. I mean, what we wanted it, we planned it. You manifested it.

Yeah, we manifested that shit, put it like. And that's at the height of them that beat this between death throw and easy, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. We was ready for whatever. But not only that, there's so many people not so many people, American dream. It's like to go to California and become an actress or something like that. Like, you know what's the other shit you go to California for? Like,

director or whatever like that. Like, Hollywood dreams. At any point, did y'all get like, like, you know, distracted? Like, man, like, we ain't going to meet nobody out here. Like, because I know it's not like that. Like, you know, when I first came to California,

I thought I was going to meet Arnold Schwarzenegger and shit like that. And I never met nobody. So I'm saying for y'all, like it was a point where you was like, man, was this the right move? You know what I mean? I mean, the first three months we was in California, we was homeless and shit. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we was moving around.

Shout out to a couple of homies that looked out for us, you know, the Mansfield homeboys and all that, my nigger, Dine. So we had people that was showing us the way we had went to Tone Loke, how. and shit like that. Funky Co. Medina. Try to get on with Tone Logan. But we knew off the rip, like, you know, it was just like, we going to find easy. The determination was so real.

You know, we called this nigga like 3,000 times a week at his office. You know what I'm saying? Trying to get on the phone with him, trying to get heard by EasyE. So, yeah, we, it was definitely a time we was like, shit. Right. This ain't going to work. Right. We had to hustle up money.

money to get back to Cleveland to get on the bus again. Yeah. Like you said, I came on the bus. To open up for easy, easy. Ooh, back in Cleveland? We talked to him on the phone. Okay. You know what I mean?

When we was out there homeless, we had that opportunity. But then we found out he was doing the show in Cleveland. So we had the hustle up back to Cleveland. And that's where we really got in front of him, man. How'd you get on the phone with him to start with? Calling his office every day. He had a girl by the name of Keisha Anderson was his, That was his assistant, you know what I'm saying?

So she was working in office. She got tired of his calling. She's like, nigga, I'm gonna tell him y'all call. And I'm gonna put him on the phone because y'all are dope. And one day she did that. And then, you know, we was still homeless and heard he was going to Cleveland, got backstage. And then it was, that was curtains after that. Now, is it true that you guys didn't know y'all was different?

Easy was the one who told y'all that y'all was different. And then he also would have y'all in back. Or people, y'all be in battles, and y'all be wanting to take the dude's head off and be like, nah, man, sing that shit. No, we would want to battle me. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? But the nigga E's, he was like, he'd be like, man, I'm telling y'all, y'all different, man. Y'all want y'all to sing.

He'd be like, sing that song. We used to do this, smoking hydro, feeling fine, slow sipping on wine, wine. And he'd be like, do that shit. We'd be like, nigger. In battles? Yeah, like, my thinking, we can rap. I did agree with him, though. I do agree with him, though. I do agree with him.

We just do whopping over the little fire barrel we used to, you know. We had a fire barrel on 99th where, you know, it's cold outside. East 99th Street, right? So we started fire and shit and just, and be doo-wopping, like, back in the days, like the 60s and shit, you know what I'm saying? But rapping at the same time. So that's where it came from. Right. I'm gonna brag for you you know what I'm saying like um there's been so many people

who's tried to duplicate you guys style like you know what I mean like so many people like first off even the melodies itself the melodies and harmonies uh I believe that especially in that era that y'all was the first people to do that do you feel like that I mean it was a lot of different elements of rapping fast. You know, I don't know if you remember, he had twister, you had the foosh knickens. Then you had poor righteous teachers doing some type of flip-to-flow. Dyes' effects had a little flip to their shit, you know what I'm saying? Do or die, remember do-a-die?

Do-a-die, but they was after us. You know what I'm saying? That's the call about who came before us that had like a fast flow. But the harmonies, the picking the pockets and the riding the men, melodies and all that shit came from bone thugs and harmony. That's why you ain't never heard it the same because it takes five of us to do it. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I definitely say we started our own lane.

Okay. That everybody in now. If you sing and flip your flow, that's the lane that bone rate. Was everybody on the same page to have that flow style? Yeah, absolutely. Like, we first started off one to put, who could put the most syllables in, one line. How many words can you say in one line? And then by us like doing each other,

ad-libs and shit and holding the ends of the words and all that, that turned into melody because we were all, we come from singing backgrounds. We did new addition. We did all that shit growing up, you know what I'm saying? So the singing just is what took the melodies, is what took it over the level to me. Do you feel like people copied that style

I mean, who haven't? Yeah, for sure. Who haven't copied our style? If you hear any nigger rapping and singing, you know what I mean? Any nigga rapping faster than they was in 19, after 1994. Right. That's all bone thugs and hard. Got there.

Makes a lot more stuff. So how the hell did you guys catch beef with Wu-Tang clan? I know that's your all family now, but how to hang? What family? You know we're going on tour with them. Before we get into this shit. Okay. So what had happened was...

No, it was Russell Simmons. He was having a Christmas party. They had just did the show. I think it was a movie, the show. The show. They did that, and we had a song on the soundtrack. Flesh and Bone had just signed over there. You know what I'm saying?

And it was Russell Simmons' Christmas party. We was invited. We get there early as a motherfucker, man. We there probably around about 8 o'clock, because, you know, we had limos, bring us, and shit. We in there with our shirts off, dancing, having a good time, cleaving the niggas, fresh out the hood, still.

You know what I'm saying? So we in there kicking it, having a good time and shit. No, it's about 12 of us, no security, no none of that. We're just out there raw, New York City. Right. So come 11, 12, 12, o'clock, Woutain come in. They came in hype about 900

niggas. They move the niggas out the way at. Then one of my niggas caught one of them both. And there you have it. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Next thing you know, I see

a bottle flung from over the room, which get hitting the head. You know what I'm saying? I see ghost face killing them over there. We're boxing with these big ass niggins and shit. You know what I'm saying? Chris Lydie. Rest in peace.

Dave Lydie. They, uh, they was our, they was our escorts. They got us out of there safely. Wow. Needless to say them niggas, and then Biggie was there, he was coming in when the shit was jumping. So he stopped them niggas from, uh, he was about 30,000 of these nests. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know how I'm saying. Like, you want me to bring it, yo.

I'm like, a nigga, hell, no. We ain't got no motherfucker. pistols all here. We're in your city. Yeah, that was a crazy little endeavor, but it happened because, you know, we was both at the top of our game.

That's how I mean. And whatever the misunderstanding was, it was some pushing and shoving in the crowded club. These motherfuckers didn't even play our song until the fight broke out. Wow. It's an everyday thing. So we

accidentally killed Russell Sims Christmas party that year. Sorry about that. God damn, I make the noise of killing Russell Simmons Christmas party. Wait, may you do that? It's all water under the bridge. Let me tell you how like how lost I was, right?

I'm watching the versus battle, right? I see the mic fly. I see all this shit happen. I'm sitting there actually saying, why? I have no idea. And did I go back and I'm listening to the music? And I'm like, oh, shit. These guys been taking shots at each other forever.

I did not know that prior to the verses. So I'm just sitting back like, damn, because I always thought, like, other than New York, everybody else get along. And I'm like, holy shit, and I see this shit. But I didn't realize y'all. What was going down for years? For years, y'all had been beefing? I didn't realize that.

So had y'all not seen each other since verses? No, we talked. You know what I mean? Shit, Paul had it did Beasful. and all that. I always see black, you know what I'm saying? No, we was cool, you know what I'm saying?

The understanding was, everything was cool, and we was going to get this motherfucking money, and we're going to go on tour, and everything was going to be, you know, cool. But, you know, during throughout the night, shit changed up a little bit. I was, I was hype, though. I was like, is that bad?

I was like, oh, yeah. Because, you know, hip-hop has been too clean. It's like the fucking NBA right now. So when you see your little, like, elbows and rubble with fellas, you're like, y'all, fuck it. You're like, oh, my back. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, we was having our pep talks behind stage, drinking and shit, you know, I'm like, man, fuck these ugly motherfuckers and all this.

And, you know, we talk of shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't had no idea of people's going to go out there and just take that shit literal, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Was it the alcohol, maybe? You know, I don't know, but, you know, it was bound to happen. That shit still, we still got to the money. And it's still, it's still a classic.

Yeah, and we still, and we cool to this day, you know what I mean? But when them great energies clash sometimes, it's still a competition. It's still hip-hop, you know? Right, no, no, that was, if you had a chance to do. It's all love, though. Versus, again, against somebody else. Who would you pick? I don't know, man, shit.

So as you say, the Migos. Nah, I wouldn't say to Migos because, you know, what happened to their little home board, you know what I'm saying? So, uh, I don't know. Who can fuck with Bone out there? You might have to form a super group. Ooh.

I don't know. With enough hits, don't have got to be enough hits or I don't know. We're talking about 30 years over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's make some noise for that. You say you're going on the road with Wu-Tang.

Maybe it'd be, that energy's going to be a lot. And I heard she's going on the road with three-six as well. Yeah, well, we had a tour last. Last year with 36, that was prolonged, but we definitely going out this late August. Is there Trench going out on the, not the Wu-Tang tour, but the 36 Mafia tour, for show. Right. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Do you still love going on tour? Hell yeah, I mean, that's the best part to me is being on stage. Now, everything that come along with it, if I can get to the stage and then back to my room without all the drama. Like a transport from the room to the stage. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I never thought of that. Yeah, it's right there with the crowd straight from the house to there. Now, I'd be cool.

But, yeah, I mean, but performance is for me is what made me fall in love with the whole thing, you know. being there, they express that shit and getting on stage and talent shows back since the nigger was, what, eight, nine years old, you know what I'm saying? So that's the love for me is touching the people. Everybody that, a bone fan that know me, you've been to a bone concert, they know I I fuck with the people too. Right. Because Band-Aid Boys.

That's the original, right? Yeah, Band-Aid Boys. Band-Aid fans, Co-Clap Your Hands. We had this song called Fairy Tale Land in seventh grade, man. I took a choir with Crazy Bone. You know, we had a choir class. My nigga Kay Chill, my brother, Flesh was Beatty Rock. So that was our first group we started.

Band-A boys. Band-Aid boys. That was like junior high. And then you went to Bone Enterprises. Enterprise was high school. Seventh grade? No, Bone Enterprise was like 10th, 11th grade. So Band-A-Boys was seventh grade then?

Yeah, the Band-A-Boards. Hey, boy, so we, you know, we went to difference. Keatiel went to another school. He went to Glenville. We went to Lincoln West. So we kind of split up. And that summer, that's, you know, niggas started hustling.

That's when the game was introduced to us as far as hustling and all that shit. So I end up getting knocked up in 1989. That was my ninth grade. I got that in my north. And that's what, born in the prize. I came with that with a home way out from California. But we lived in Ulymouth. It's Texas.

You know what I mean? So Bonn Enterprise was formed in Texas when I, before I got a chance to come back home. Because I went to Texas. I was selling dope and all that shit. Like, I got a book coming out too, so it's going to explain like my origin. In detail. Where it all really, really came from my perspective. Because sometimes in Bonn, niggas see shit from their own perspective, you know what I'm saying?

So it's five of us. And we got different perspective. was on this shit sometime. What inspired the actual the whole bone thing? Because everything became bone thugs. Yeah,

even gave Phil Collins a bone name. Yeah, because it was, it was bone, you know, the bone came from, we wanted,

we wanted some, like, so we was born enterprise and we all had our individual names. But bone was our last name. Right, yeah,

I got that in my notes too. So we was debudded out niggas-e-a-day, the brood out niggas-e-a-day, the brothers on the normal elimination, any acronym you could think of we, Bone was it. So that was our last name as a group.

You know what I'm saying? So that's why we all, that's why Bone end up being the theme of everything. Is it true that EZE wanted to call y'all just Thugs and Harmony? Yeah. So we had a song called Gangster Harmony. And EasyE wanted to call us, uh, so we changed it to Thugs and Harmony. He wanted us to change our name from Thug, from Bone Enterprise to Bone, Enterprise to bone thugs in harmony.

But we had to fight for our last name like, nigga, you crazy. We bone, it's what it is. And he was like, bone thugs and harmony. And that's how that's how that shit. That's your work. That's how that's. You know what's crazy about that? That's why I always say to people,

disagreements is not bad. You know what I mean? But they both won that disagreement. That disagreement. It merged the two things. Okay. Okay. That end up being our whole science, though. Like, it's five of us. So majority rule, you know what I mean?

Like, so even when East 1999 Eternal came, it was like, you know, our diplomacy always worked for each other. So somebody wanted East 1999, another nigga wanted eternal. Okay, put that shit together, boom, now everybody happy. So yeah, we always been good with the diplomacy within, you know. You got it when there's a group that big. Yes. And let me ask you, right, because like when you see Snoop,

And Snoop first got down with Dre, right? Snoke took on that drama, like, full-fledged. It wasn't even like it was Dr. Dre's drama. Right. It was, like, it was Snoop's drama as well. But he was a new artist, so this was, like, a big task to take on. I want to ask you the same thing. Like, you guys, you know, I think we touched on a little earlier, but we ain't going to death.

Like, you know, you were getting down with EZE. This is one of the, for lack of a better term, this is one of the people that people who actually say is a gangster. Right. Like, this is, he's not playing the character. This is, this is who he is. Right. Is there worries? Like, you, you, you're getting down with this man and saying, you know what?

I got to kind of take on his beef because that's kind of like how it is in hip-hop. You get down with a crew. You know what I'm trying to say? I mean, you know, we're from, we from Cleveland, Ohio, St. Clair. What? East 99? Like, it's pretty fucking gangster. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I mean? Where I'm from, with the lifestyle I come from, we wasn't thinking about that is whatever. whatever eat, whatever you want to do, nigga, you want to ride on these niggas. Hey, we was the, we probably was the wildest bunch of five niggas. Yes, I remember. Yes. In your motherfucking life in this gang.

You know what I mean? So, he didn't want us to partake in that shit. Oh, with the beef. He didn't want us. Oh, that's dope. Oh, we was ready. Like, nigga, whatever, like Snoop, whatever. Like, if you look at the 1994 Source Awards, like,

we rapping at them niggas. Like we didn't, dog pound was right there. My brother dad. Yeah, yeah, my brother too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We got a . Yeah, we got to.

Yeah, we was at them niggas, but he wouldn't let us do that. Right. He's saying something more for us. He's like, man, I'm telling you, man. He'd be like, man, fuck that, man. I got to see something more for y'all. Right. So he wouldn't let us get in them beats, even though we did

have some fallouts with, but, with, with the dog pound too. Right. But he wouldn't, he wouldn't let us go full-fledged St. Clair for a nigga on nothing. You know what I'm saying? You know what I like about, like, the era, I don't ever say our era, right? I'm part of that. You came on 94, I came on 97, right?

If you ain't know, you ain't know. Like, our beach was between us. Like, no one was, there was no internet. Sorry to sound like the old niggas, I'm sorry. But there wasn't no ex-on-exam. the internet for a person to say, yo, I'm beefing with you, and then I'm gonna go to the internet and do something

like that. Like, if a person had a problem back then, it was between y'all and the people who knew that day, and that was pretty much it. Yeah, basically, I mean, if it was on and it was on, I see you with it's on. You know what I mean? Like, I ain't even know we had a problem with Mab deep. We just had some of...

I never heard this one. I know. I never heard this one. We never heard this one. We was at some of fucking, um, Summer War show. One of them, uh, Shug was loose. sat, you know, that our era, you know what I'm saying? You know,

you said, Shugue was loose? Yeah, I mean, they, so they're moving niggas around. You said it's kind of crazy. Shugger was loose.

Like, like, they're moving niggas around throughout, like, you know, they're coming through. So they got to,

so they put niggas in the closet. We turn around. It's mob deep, nigger. These niggas, we pause to have some type of beat for these niggas. I never knew what it was.

Get the fuck out of here. You know what I'm saying? But according to the, the people who'd be hyping shit up. Yeah, they was hyping some things up, but shit, we end up in the closet with these niggas and shit about to hit it out.

I'm like, damn, these niggas is my size. I couldn't believe it, but, yeah, I mean, our era was a motherfucker going to the war shows, all that shit back then. I miss it, though, bro. Me too. I ain't gonna lie. I miss it. Like, we had Warren Sapp here,

and he was talking about the times that he was in the football league. And I was sitting here, listening to him talking about football how football was rough back then and like how he missed it and I was just sitting back just reminiscing like yo I miss my fucking error too

like I missed a rough era I miss I don't I don't like this internet shit these guys catch a beef and you know that's you really didn't know what the fuck was gonna happen so you when we went out you know it was like the adrenaline

was high to everybody was flat the adrenaline was high and shit it was them was the days so let's let's talk it back the seventh grade. This is when you met Crazy Bone? Yeah. So how does this link up? How do y'all link up? So shit, I met Cray and... Because you have two other members in a group that's your family members.

Right. Right. Blood family. So I met Crazy Bone and Home Economics, 7th grade. We fucking around in class. You know, everybody rapping around and shit. I'm beatboxing. I used to beatboxing, me and my brother. So, Craig rapping one day. I'm beatboxing for him. He's like, man, I got this class. I got a nigga in English class. I want you to challenge, right? And this one, we was just me.

B boxing, though. Yeah, I was beat boxing. And so he's like, I want you to challenge this nigga. I'm like, cool. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we go out, we go out, I take the challenge. This nigga then pointed out my brother, flesh and bone.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, wow. I'm like, nigga, that's my brother. So me and my brother was the, I was Steve beating, He was Beattie Rock. We was the Twin Towers, and we beat rock and rapped a little bit. And then that's when I met Craig and my home boy, Kay Chill and Home Egg. And then we formed the Band-Aid boys from that little union right there.

Okay. Seventh grade, nix, like 12 years old. And then we went from having house parties, man. My mama let me have house parties and shit back in seventh grade every weekend, selling hot dogs. Private stock. O-E-E? Yeah, O-E. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Code 45. Telling the whole, you know. B.D. Williams. Yeah, having a house party. So we did that all of junior high as the Band-Aid boys. The Band-Aids boys. You want to bring back the Band-Aid boys? So you think Nellie to spit your shit?

I think he might have heard about it. You know what I'm saying? It was news at the time, you know what I'm saying? But what they were wearing Band-Ais? Yeah, we used to wear the Band-Aid up on the house. Yo, Nellie, I got to have a competition, bro. You got to have a competition. conversation. Nellie, fuck that shit, man.

We get all wear band-a-gand-a-gay-ha-ha- we could all be the band-aid boy. But let me ask you, when you did see Nellie who do that, did you think he's inspired? I ain't even have to think if people around me said it so fast. Oh, that nigga does. Man, go on on with that petty-ass shit. Yeah.

You know what I love about you? I love to grow for you, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was telling EFN earlier. I was like, yo, yo, you know, you know, I used to be a wow. And I just see the grope in you, you know what I can just see you know what? That's excellence. Let me let me just say that. You know what I'm saying?

I'm like, let me tell you something. A person that's poised and a person that that been through it all, that's that's a person who speaks. You know what I'm saying? Vibals when they talk and I just I just love seeing the growth of you, man. Like, for real. Yeah, I did. Experience it, I appreciate it. My brother.

So look, look, I'll be a flower. Yeah, let's do it. Our show is about giving people their flowers where they can smell them. They thought it's where they can tell them. They drinks where they can drink them and they flowers. So we wanted to give you a flowers.

Snoop said it's better than the Grammy because it comes from his people. You know what I'm saying? For real. For real. I second desk. That's right. But I do miss the Sauce Awards, though.

I do miss the Sauce Awards. So Benzino, Dave Mays. We've been saying this a couple of times. I'm glad you see his passion when he started talking about the Sosa Awards. boys. Like, I want it, because it's not just us. That was, that was an era. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shout out of day, Mays. There was no internet, but there was the source magazine, and that was a few places you might hear about some stuff. You know what's walked up or not, and I thought about this the other day. You know, the magazines probably cause as much beef as it does nowadays, right? So, for instance, that suppose has is beefing with Kareem, right? and has says, man, Kareem ain't shit, right? And then Kareem gets on the phone with him

and they squashed it, right? And then the article comes out three months later. And it's like, yeah, why did we even squash it? So I kind of thought about it the other day. I was like, they credit that vibe cover for starting East Coast, West Coast. Wow. Which was never really a thing.

It was just Cruz that didn't like each other. Speaking of that, like, how do you guys never got quartered in the East Coast, West Coast? I mean, basically we stood our ground. We're from Cleveland, Ohio. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, we, mid-West, we felt like we grew up with, you know, in the 80s, it was Big Daddy Kane. It was bizmarking, you know, that whole era, you know, slick Rick, BDP, all that. Like, we had that era. We had growing up in the 80s. So before West Coast was even booming like that, because West Coast wasn't booming like that until, what, Dope Man came. NWA, yeah. It was like 1986, 87 in Cleveland.

Right. You know what I mean? But by that time, we was already engulfed in hip hop from the East Coast shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? That we knew what was up. And then when that happened, we were selling dope too. So, you know what I'm saying?

So that kind of took over for us. So it was like the East Coast, West Coast, we always was a neutral thing to it. You know what I'm saying? Like. But they call you all Midwest. Yeah, they call us Midwest, but we north-east Ohio. Yeah, North East, man. We should be claiming y'all.

We're supposed to be in the same. We're going to make y'all barrel. Yeah, yeah, we're going to Donald Trump, though. We call to the Pittsburgh than anything, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the Midwest shit. Like, we happen to stay out of that shit because we was like, first of all, he didn't want us in his beef with dog pound. Right.

Yeah, broke and all that. So when it came to that. Which is amazingly a remarkable. Yeah, you got to get a lot of credit. It's easy for that foresight. Because I ain't going to lie. I would have been like, get them, young boys. Yeah.

And we was friends with like Fat Joe. You know what I'm saying? Because there's more relativity. Through Steve Lobel. Steve Lobel. We had became family with East Coast niggas. So it was our thing. Like, we ain't getting in that.

That ain't us. You know what I'm saying? So that's how we kept it. That is dope. But let's just be clear. The two people that was the head of quote unquote this East Coast, West Coast, even though it was imaginary, but it was something that happened.

Two biggest people, y'all have records with them both at that same time. Like, everybody received backlash if he was on that side or if he was on that side. Like, even my brother's, Cocaulte brother Smith & Western, like even by just being on a record, would it seem like, okay, they chose Pock side. Like, but y'all, like, y'all,

no one could say that about y'all because you had a record with Pock, and big at the same time at their war. I think there's no other group in the history that has done that. Let's make some noise for that. Let me also ask you the question because that's genius because that me and y'all really had to mind your business.

Like, or do you tell me? I mean, no, we really did. But we was on the West Coast, so, you know, like most people think we from... I think that they would put you on the West Coast. Yeah, they think we're from the West Coast, you know what I mean? But you got to understand from the fight

with Wu-Tang back, like a decade before that, however long, however that long ago, two years before that. So we was friends with Biggie. You know what I mean? Like, he got us out of that brawl that day. That's right. That's right.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So we was friends with Method Man. We were friends with different niggas. Like, we had already started relationships in the game. So, but niggas thought we was from the West Coast. You know what I mean? But for some reason, like, I think it's a guy-given thing

where we just really didn't have no funk from that shit. Right. And I think because the songs were so goddamn strong. Hell yeah. On both sides, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Pock with the gunshots. And then Biggie's doing the style, like,

because really motherfuckers in New York, we did shows at BB Kings and shit like this. Niggas used to be looking at us in New York, like, okay, what the club are you? I know what I'm saying. Nigg got all niggas, don't clap, don't get any love. But then after that, after Big did that shit, it was like, okay, boom coming in town, nigga, we're going to sell this bitch out. Before that, nigga, it was rough trying to.

New York, like, nigga, y'all ain't know that, nigga, this is New York, nigga, this is a nigga, war up. You're saying that. You're sorry. I'm trying to not make our contract. You know, it's crazy. We work it out this morning this shit, and the pocket record come on, and all my white neighbors come this is the time they want to come out. And I'm like, oh my God.

And they just look and I'm just like, oh, shit, I can't turn it off. Like, we just kept working out. I'm sorry. But boom, quick time. No, I want to go back to that Tomloak time that you met him. Like, how did you connect with him and what was the situation when you actually met him? Because I saw some of the interviews you did when you talk about it, but I feel like you, I just want to imagine his face when he met you all y'all. Well, when we first tried to get on with him, it was like some shit out the scene of a movie, like, you know, because some niggas showed us where he lived.

Some niggas, we was in the Mansfield, we was in the Mansfield Crip area and shit living over there. Niggas took us to his house, and we knock on the nigga door ringing his doorbell. It's like probably 8 in the morning. You know what I mean? Like, this nigga don't know us. So he sent some niggas outside, what's going on? We're like, we want to rap for you and he come out with the blunt in his mom. He was like, man, what the fucks of y'all niggins that my house for?

He's like, nigga, get the fuck away from my motherfucking house. You know what I'm saying? But he let his rap. He was like, yeah, that's all right, but don't come to my motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? So that was that. We had to get away from that nigger house. I ain't realized what we did till later on because that shit happened to me.

Niggis showed up in my door store. Like, man, like... So you get it now. I get it. Like, nigga, I out. But what? Get the fuck away from me. But what did you do?

They just popped up in his crick. We popped up, but no, we sent him like, what, a couple years later and reminded him. Like, man, yeah, we was the niggas that showed up to y'all. He was like, Bon, I wish I could have did something for y'all niggas, man. But, you know, he remembered that shit. That's what fuck me up. Wow. Yeah, I would imagine he would remember that, though.

Yeah, we was, yeah, we was dusty. We was fresh off, we was living homeless out there. We was looking like some wild boys popping up at somebody's house. Yeah. And pretty nice house, the nigger the nigger was living. That's the town low. Yeah, man. So you said someone knocked on your door once?

Yeah, a couple niggas came to my house looking for a record deal and shit like that. All right, so how does this work? What happens? Well, because, well, I'm going to tell you a story about a guy named Pied, he popped up at Crazy Barn House. Powder P from ghetto cowboy. You better count your money. The white boy from there, he played Powder P. Okay.

He popped up, and he actually got on. Powder Pee. It didn't work out so well for other people, you know what I'm saying? Motherfugers had it. Got cussed out, wrong time. But Powder Pee made it. Made me move behind the fence for a while. Right, right.

The nigga was too goddamn famous. That's crazy. That never happened to you? That's why I don't live in houses no more. I can't stand it. That's how Garcia got to crazyhood. He popped up at Paul's crib. Word?

Yeah. He hopped the fence on y'all? No, he just knocked on the door that you all want to get signed. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, this was in the 90s too. So, you know, this one nigga first was learning the game. All right.

Yeah. All right. You think LeBron going to come back to Cleveland? I mean, I will hope he would. Like, this is because he just got swept, right? What else is it to do? I mean, you know. It's like, I'm just being honest.

That's one of my favorite players, you know. I'm team LeBron James. Yeah, that's what I'm saying? He got swept, but he ain't do so bad, you know what I mean? Yeah, but let's go with your kid. Let's go to Cleveland for this last year. Go on. I already said.

You know what I'm saying? If you lose this time, fuck it. Listen, Cleveland, I gave it to my all. No. I'm sorry. I'm cold. I'm taking my ass back. But that squad are in there.

If they can keep a core of that squad right there, that's pretty sure they can do that. Okay. Now, but I ain't going to lie. I know I sound like I was playing earlier. But for real, if LeBron was to come back, signed like a four-year contract, maybe a two-year contract, right?

With his son. And just to end that shit in Cleveland, that'd be an NBA. It doesn't matter if he wins or not. Right. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like, just him to come back for the city and, like, for me, that's like the ultimate basketball.

I do not care if he win. I would go watch those games. That should be so epic, man. Yeah, because it's like he's putting the city and he's putting his childhood in front of all the luxury and the riches that he has now. And I think that that's an honorable story. Listen, LeBron, if you listen to, I don't think you are. But if you're listening, I'm not saying to do that, but I'm saying that would be one of the ones. Like some full circle shit.

Yeah. Cinderella stories. But I want him to get the fifth ring, man. Like, I think he can do it. At Cleveland? In Cleveland, right. Who would he need to be surrounded by? Let's say, what's that you called?

Scenario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You keep Mitchell. Okay. You might have to give up, uh, see, we need them trees down there, man. You know what I'm saying? The big boys, poor. Yeah, we need them.

Mowbly, Jared, Allen. If we keep them two and keep Mitchell, get us another, well, yeah, get us another point, go. Rookie? Okay. Even let little baby let Brunney run the one, just experiment with it. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I think he can get one, though, with those three.

Him and those three and a nice core. Right. Yeah, because Brian's strong as fuck. All right. Still. Um, let me ask you because, uh, I've heard of it. I never got to see LeBron play when he was in Cleveland. How was the morale of him coming back to, uh, coming to Cleveland, playing for Cleveland?

Like, how was, how was it different? How was the city different? I mean, I mean, coming from Cleveland, like, our sports are always disappointed. Really? You know what I'm saying? Like, Bonfathers and Harmony was, uh, we would. was the hope and the light. Yeah, y'all was like a football team.

Success story, right? Yeah, we was the success. Y'all was a franchise yourself. Yeah, we was, we were the ones that was, that had made it thus far. But then when it came to the light, the NBA put on it with LeBron James, it was like, our city was like everybody, it just motivated the whole city, man. Like, LeBron changed everything. We went from niggas, you know, depressed and selling dope to niggas trying to, you know,

shit, bootlegging. Brian T. Sheenig, he's a whole nother. Right, right, right. The energy picked up, though, so, man, the Brian, he'll always be loved. Right, you know what I'm like? Even when he left him, there was a lot of niggas hating because that was our hope, so they hated, you know what I mean?

But they do that to people who ain't even from that town. Right. When they leave. So I guess this was like extra emotional because him being a homegrown, raised kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that we he can do it we can do it yes yes yes

this is a quick time okay uh cool sonny you want to chime in come on sunny somebody got a drink for me come on you're gonna just jacked Boris to see Paul's not here right now Paul would have loved the sports questions yeah so this is going to be our drinking game now we're gonna ask you two questions

give you two. Oh, you got a nigga drinking for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to chill. I got to chill. I got to chill. Two choices. You pick one we don't drink.

You say both or neither we drink and all of us drink. All right. Say that again. We'll give you two choices. If you pick one of the choices, we don't drink. Nobody drinks. Okay. If you say both or neither, like you really don't want to answer the question,

then we just all take a shot. All right. But we really just want, whatever we bring up, just stories. Cool. That's what it's good for. All right. All right. Woo.

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Yellow Wolf or M.GK. MGK. Because he from the town? Uh-huh. Absolutely. EPMD or run DMC? Oh. Both, man.

Come on, man. Good. Cheers. You got to fill that up triple. Yeah, so take about quick. Crucial conflict or do or die? Both. Right.

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Stevie Wonder or Lionel Richie? Stevie Wonder. You think Stevie Wonder? I think he could I think he can see better than what they say he might not be totally blind because you know you could be clinically blind

I went to a Stevie Wonder show though and he couldn't find that motherfucker right there Wait what what what That's the first time we hear that You're gonna see the regular No you know he had they You know he'd be set up They got the thing right here

And it was pulled out a little bit And he couldn't see that mom You can be A lot Me and my girlfriend Row and shit looking at I'm like damn they got Stevie fucked up

baby like they need to push my nigga shit over so Stevie blind man Steve blind cool

we've heard stories he's crossing the street he's pressing the button in the elevator he might remember that type of shit though you never know Drake or Kendrick

hmm all right Mm, both of them. Yeah, I really like both them niggins, though. Yeah, right. You could, you could like salt and pepper. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Outcast or three six mafia?

Outcast. Travis Scott or Kid Cuddy? Kid Cuddy. Because he from the town. Because you're from the town, baby. And I like kid Cuddy too. That's right. Kid Cuddy for a lot of inspiration from him.

I got a lot of inspiration from him. I can't cutty from all day. NWA or Wu-Tang? NWA all day. That's a great question, though. I love that question. I actually don't think it's a great question. I love the question because I feel like...

See y'all. See y'all diggers on tour. Yes. He took back his dad. Yeah, I know. But I think it's a great question because... And I'm not talking about, like, the comparison of group members. I'm talking about...

Impact? Impact. Impact-wise, you... That makes sense. Like, NWA changed the way I looked at West Coast, the way I looked at music, and NWA changed it back to how I originally looked at music. You know what I'm saying? So it went back. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, like hearing people talking about guard bodies and swords at the same time? No, it was weird and dope. Like, holy shit. I know the godbody shit, but these niggas told them out. They both changed the game. They're ninjas and shit. Good. Uh, MJ or Prince?

Definitely both. Okay. You ain't meet Prince, though, right? I met. I met Prince in the airport one time just to shake his hand, though. And that was it, though. Yeah? Couldn't believe the nigga had on high-hills shoe.

At the airport? At the airport. Ass not out, though, right? Just like 90s. Because you know how you used to have the ass on the car. No, no, he was supposed to. That nigga had on the car. He was little as fuck.

I don't believe it. I thought you said it was diesel when you went like that. No, he had a big coat on. That would have been funny. You said it was wintertime. High hell's a diesel. But it's high hills in the wintertime. The nigga had some high hill moon boots on and some shit.

That shit was crazy. What airport? You remember where airport? That's Prince. Cleveland. Okay, wow. Wow. My nigga, that's Prince, nigga.

Nigger had on high hill moon boots. Go ahead, Sonny. That's what you got never. Well, anyway. Cleveland Indians or Cincinnati rents? You say Cleveland Indians? Well, Cincinnati Reds. Yeah.

Cleveland Indians. Not even the gardenians. But, you know, they made us change our names. Oh, yeah, yeah, the guardians and shit. You know it's classic Major League. You know what I'm talking about? Uh-uh. Oh, the movie?

The movie? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is the difference? Like, say, for somebody that doesn't live in Ohio, the culture of Cincinnati and the culture of Cleveland. What's the difference? I mean, I really can't speak to the culture of Cincinnati. You know, I've been down there.

I kicked it a few times and all that. But Cleveland, from what I know, you know what I'm saying, it's just like Cleveland is the roughest, it's got the most black people. It's rough, you know, the dynamics of, Puerto Ricans and all that type of stuff. So it's like Cleveland is predominantly black from where I'm from.

So I don't know. At least no C-Wite. Yeah, I think we didn't, I wouldn't, I don't know. I can't even speak on Cincinnati. I just know, I just know Cleveland run that state. All right, all right, let's make some nerves. Let's get that game, that can. Yeah, send you another one.

I already know what he's going to say. LeBron or Jordan? You know my answer already. Yeah, I'm LeBron all day. What's your answer? I'm curious. You know not his LeBron. I'm in trouble for the dancing.

I ain't never seen you in a pair of LeBron's in my life. The first pair kicks I ever bought your youngest son. That's LeBron. He ain't weird of them shit. Fowl, motherfucker. That's fucking with me. Nah, but Levin'Royle, that shit is just, that shit is just, legendary.

Like, yeah, yeah. But I'm not to tell you truth, that shit is legendary. The fact that he's playing with his kid. That is. It didn't even matter whether he win, lose, or draw. The fact that you, you could stick around long enough that you can, like, hold out. You can play with your fucking son in the playoffs. That's a dream for everybody.

Like, that shit is crazy. That's the biggest win ever. Yeah. Even though he won't, it's the biggest win ever. I agree with that. You and your son. Yeah, you want your son, bro. Do anything together, build anything together, man.

The bombs and the, you know. and the crowd, like the grandmonds, all that, like the family, like that's just really... In my mind, there's people barbecuing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, in my mind, like, yeah, I know that's not really what happened. Like, that's some, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that's some hood shit right there. Like, I like that, bro. And I keep telling you, you know, man, real shit, just my opinion. Jordan, love you. I'm from that era. But the blonde, man, the consistency. You know, those.

they're the same guy to pick either way and it's like, you know, what's saying? Like, that's the God. Nah, man. Relax. All right.

They're not the same guy. Go ahead. L.A. New York. L.A. L.A. all day. All right.

Ooh. Go last one. Yeah, okay. Oh, loyalty too. All right. All right. This last one. Let me get back into the interview.

Loyalty or respect. Respect. Respect. Respect over everything, man. You know what I mean? like because a person can't really be loyal to you if you if they don't respect you you know what mean so you got to put respect above anything that you do once you have respect and you know how to go about dealing with people and how to be loyal to somebody because you respect the environment

they're bringing you into or whatever the case may be so respect going always take precedence over anything else on earth. Respect me. You don't have to like me, you don't have to love me, but you're going to respect the niggins. You know what I mean? Whatever size you think you is,

whatever wealth you think you accumulate it, like you would never treat me without respect, you know what I'm saying? So I think respect is everything for anything, you know. And that's just how I robbed. Now, years ago, right, Thank you, Sonny.

We were going through like groups, right? And, like, how hard it is to work with certain groups, right? And it was unbeknownst to me that me and Maudee was on this list. Like, I'm like, they're like, yo, even though it's two-man groups that are hard to work with. Like hard to like, you know, to get together. Like, although it's like a two-man group. Right, right. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, Pete had the sick of cell and have will go do his own thing. So sometimes just getting them two together. It's just, it's different. I had a solo career. You know, Paul had his solo career. So get us together. And when I said difficult to work,

I didn't mean difficult to work what I meant difficult to just. I know what I'm together. You know what I know. I know exactly what you said. And then Wootang was there. And then. Y'all were there. Right.

Why do you think it's so hard to get all of y'all together? I mean, man, God damn. I mean, first of all, when grown in, like, we spent all our time together as kids. Right. You know what I mean? Like, we all, like, I'm talking about a nigga. Every day, all day for, like, eight, nine, ten, ten years, 12 years together. Right.

Like, going to the room, we're going, we're going to go. to California. We huddled up, nigger, we shoulder to shoulder. Wow. And then we started, you know, we made it. Wow. Yep. And then some money came in. You know what I mean?

And then we start having children. You know what I mean? Niggas got girlfriends. Like, niggas' lives is expanding the whole time. You know what I mean? But we steadily, we working at the same goal when it was shoulder to shoulder, same room. You're going to the bathroom.

I'm going to the bathroom. the bathroom case these niggas trip type now it's like you know you can get a security guard with you or so shit and you know you know you got you got your own family you ain't waiting for lazy bone to pick you up in the car or you know what i mean or give or put you on in no type of way because it's all there now right now i mean so getting these niggas together that done spent the bulk of their life right worried about each other now niggas got their own ambitions, want to do their own

things, you know, ideas and shit like that. So it's like, how do you get these niggas together? It's damn they're impossible because everybody doing good. You feel? What is it? Like, your own success? Is that shit called?

You're the enemy of your own success? You're the enemy of your own success. That's bond or thugs and harm. We are the enemies of our own success because if we was the like trans, if we was the do our transformer shit, our motherfucking Voltron right now and go against anybody in the industry, I guarantee you put your money on bone because we all, we all polished.

We all been doing shit the whole time, you know what I'm saying? So it's just a matter of coming together, which is a hard thing, but not so much of a hard thing. Right. Because we do love the same shit. Right. And we do, you know, we rock with each other. We love each other. That's how we steal together.

Because if it wasn't, then we would have been, beat each other up, fell out, you know, which we have done all that shit too. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, it's like, that's shit hard. Yeah, because I, you know. It ain't easy. I can't, I'm not even going to sugarcoat that shit about getting niggas together. They got their life together and stuck in their own ways and became who they became.

And I can say, I'm doing this that day. Yeah. I know exactly how that shit. Like right now, I'm doing. this. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Niggas is doing something else. Right. That Voltron come together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When it do.

And right now it seems like, you know what it was crazy? And it seems, you know, back in the days when you, you know, you get elder in the game and people, you know, they want to raise you off. The thing about it is, I want to give Mass Appel. You see what Mass Appeal is doing?

The legend. Where they actually taking money, because, you know, what these record labels would do, they would sign old elder acts and won't put no money into it because they're saying you already have a built-in audience. All we have to do is just promote to your audience, which is, which makes sense. But what Master Builders is doing is actually saying, you're going to cater to your built-in audience, but we're also going to put money in to these new generations so they can actually see you on these playlists and all that. And I just feel like, I think, I feel like they set the level of, you know, of, of, we have.

especially with Jay-Z with that 4-44-4 album. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like a whole space. And if y'all was to just get back together and do that album, all the y'all together, like go to Maui and then hit the tour, like, what do you think would take that to happen? Well, the process of Bonn Thuss and Harmony has already begun.

It started when we started communicating, with Greenback Records, you know what I'm saying? Like just filling out different avenues and things that we could do to really monetize and benefit from all these goddamn years of, you know, going back and forth with all these companies. We went from 12 points to half to, you know, 50% of the album to getting our publishing. Like every level of the game, we didn't been through it. So now it's like how do we?

How do we really like, because that's what we do is music. What we love is still music. But how do we maximize and get paid off that shit? So, of course, we're going to go direct to our consumer. Right. We don't need nobody. You said Greenback is the name of it? Greenback Records, which is a company that we started off talking to a couple years ago.

Okay. It's not Cona McGregor. That's the one that, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one that. Exhibit went through there and all that. So we did a bunch of work over there. which bone thugs and harmony accumulated. That's the whole bone thing. Yeah.

Okay. And, you know, and we own our material. That's why. So the process is started. Right. Now it's about how we're going to really market our shit and put it out to where we reap all the benefits. Right.

Because with the circle we got across the world, it's like, all we got to do is reach them, and that's direct to consumer. Right. And not putting our shit on DSPs. Yeah. You don't got to dilute it. Yeah, I got some shit. I can show you some things I'm doing.

But, no. So meaning, you're going to sell, you're saying you guys going to sell an album, but it's not going to be available on Spotify, available on, it'll be available on both of Harmony.com. Yeah, it'd be available. Direct. Like, when I do my shit, it'll be on lazybone.com. Pre-orders and all that stuff.

So I'm trying me out as the test dummy right now. So lazybone.com, my new lab, the worker and the boss. Right. But I always been there. That's always been my job as the mouthpiece. He's the e-call. He come pick me up, jump on the car. Come on, we got to go do this.

So I'm still playing my role, but, you know, and the creation in Bone is like, we've got 50 songs deep. On a new job. Already. Wow. 40, 40 songs. I can take an album. I can get, I could start putting out albums right now.

Wow. But the business aspect of bone thugs and harmony, this is the thing we're going to perfect this time. Right. Because we've been going against the system the whole time. Right. Hey, since Easy E died. Right.

We was the most unluckiest niggas in the game. What you mean about that? Niggott. We put out a hit song. Yeah, I know. Now, man, you Easy E put his album out, right? I mean, he took his album off the shit to, to put our shit out.

Had he not did that, y'all wouldn't have heard of Bon. But how unlucky is Bonn Thugs and Harmony for the nigger that put them out, the mentor that kept us together and all that? Like, we've been attacked by the wolves the whole time. It's been us against whoever the whole time. You know what I'm saying?

So easy. He died 15 months into, like, we didn't, it wasn't no sign, Nick. It wasn't like, oh, he. He's sick. He's going to be fucked up. No, we're kicking it, rastening, kick it, pop, having a drink, toast to the most.

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I've been bucking against the system since then. Mighty Mo Thub. I did that. Harmony House. You know what I'm saying? solo records. Negotiated. The deal, right?

Yeah, I was the first one over at Koch. Before Jim Jones got his job, he don't even know. He needs to thank me for that. Because I opened them motherfucking doors up, for real. You know what I'm saying? Like Michael Koch, when I went there, it was all Pokemon. That niggas was making money all Pokemon.

Guy by the name of Forrest Hamilton, rest in peace, who also passed it. way. But anyway, took me up there. You know, I got the Koch thing, jumping most of the three was the first record we put out over there. I did a whole bunch of solo shit, you know, but I was 50-50 with Michael Koch, so my independence shit was all right. Yeah. You know what year was that? This was like 2003, maybe. Early 2000.

He was doing independent 50-50 back then. Kick, Nick, I got there. Make a noise back. That was a little bit. Oh, you want me to pop my business shit? Please. Listen. So the deal's crazy and busy guy.

They first solo deals. I negotiated that shit. The deal, uh, the deal that, um, Fleshingbone, when he went to death jam, I negotiated that shit. Lear Coins and motherfuckered. DMC showed up at my house trying to get bone thugs in harmony, nigga. DMC is like one deal?

Like the DMC. Nigger, my mama cooked this, nigga, some chicken and everything on some real shit. So all them deals, like I was making deals before I was before my time. Wow. So that's why this time, you know, Bone fans just got to bear with us because it's going to be right. Right. I want all of it. you're gonna see it in my presentation for dash.

And that's my new record that I'm- Because I see that's on your hat. Dash is, you know, it's the line between death, your birth date and your death date. So that's why I've been living my dad's doing my motherfucking thing. That little line right here. That's what I'm representing and trying to make sure everybody get the story right on bone

because we bros, man. Right. You know what I mean? It ain't nothing that can happen on earth that we ain't going to do our thing. This shit is really eternal type shit. So me on the business side, I didn't negotiate some things. I put it like that. Okay.

Does it ever feel like, you know, it's like, you know, whether it's me and E or like, Mia Capone or, you know, like, you know, sometimes, like when you, like, you can get with your brother, but then it's like, it's business attached to it, no matter what. Like, you want to, like, just sit around and just, hey, what's up, my man,

how's the kids doing or whatever, whatever? But it's always something to talk about business. And it's like, like, when you get, when you get with your brothers, is it ever awkward like that? You know what I'm saying?

Because, like, somebody's going to bring up something. Someone's like, man, you can get a call from the balladium? You know what? It's always something that's get brought up, but you know what?

Us going on stage together, that's when the fuck we can forget about everything. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I say I like to stage better than anything else. That time you blank out and get to going, you know, you grab in here, you know how I go.

That chemistry kicks in for you all. And it's automatic, so you know what I mean? Like that's the moments we live for. Yeah. But, you know, everything else is just a regular challenge to this. Right. Right. Because I'm a part of this run club and the run club we say, you know,

you know what, whether we had this or not, we'll still run outside tomorrow, right? And it made me think, like, damn, you know what I'm saying? Like, whether we had this or not, we would still be friends. Whether me and Capone had this or not, we would still be friends. But I always remember this when we were friends. And it's like, although life is beautiful, is that sometimes I think about that, like, like,

what would life be like? You know what I mean? If the business never got involved. Because think about it, like you guys, altogether, right? The only reason why you guys probably are not all together is because, one, everybody got families, everybody got their own life, but also

business at some point changed it all. It just it just does without even trying to. It's just like... But remember, there's a lot of blood family there too, so they would see each other probably regardless. That's what I meant, though. I said every word but business. Of course

it's the business. That comes along with the ambition. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, But our ambition is bottom line, bone is a place that we all can go that we know that's successful and that's safe and all that. But the business always going to get in the way. But bone always come first in the long run. That's fine. We go through the fire.

We fight that shit out. And then usually if this shit work out because it's meant to be, it's kind of ordained what we be doing. Right. We ain't, we ain't planned this shit out. We took trips. Right. We planned on leaving California to meet Easy, but, you know, the shit was working and it just keep working. Right.

You know, even though we fight, like, as individuals of trying to figure out who want to do what and all that. We still, dog, it's like, it's meant to be, it's a chemistry, put it like that. Hell yeah. So it's kind of simple for us. Yeah, because I see, you know, I've been on a total way, quote. but I'm told what, you know, most of them, but it's always, it's always a pleasure when you get to see them together, right?

You don't realize how you miss the whole, you know, commodity when they're together. And I'm telling you, it's the same thing for y'all. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I can imagine y'all just sitting around watching y'all, like watching footage of y'all as kids. Like, y'all watching y'all as kids. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I could just see that, like, you know what I mean, sitting down. Like, you know what I mean? He just got jokes. No, I mean, I'm sure y'all with each other. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, yeah, you got a, yo, bro, you got a, this, you have a luxurious, dope fucking career.

You know what I'm saying? I know you said the dark side of it, but that's not what we see from the outside looking in. So, like. Yeah, not dark just, you know. Everybody go through difficulties. Right. That's all I'm trying to be like, bone got their own set of difficulty. But really, the shit is dope.

Right. Hell yeah. We still have fun. But, yeah. Catch us at some shows. We'd be having to turn the fuck up. You know what I heard you say on an interview recently? He was like, the first of the month is a celebration record.

It is. I didn't actually listen to stuff I am. It's always sung alone. It's the first of them. I'm not even realizing it's the first of the month getting the check. Yeah, you get that check. You get that check. You didn't think it meant as a celebration?

No, I never, until he said that. Nah, that was always a celebration record. But, you know, shit, like, you know, what I'm trying to say is when I heard him describe it that way. Crossroads is the one that's a little bit more. No, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Hold on. Hold on.

You'll get to that. No, first of the money. It's strictly for the hustlers. You get your money, you know what I mean. Because the first of 15th is when the checks come, right? Check comes in. Okay. Get your money.

You double that shit up, have your barbecue. Yeah. I didn't get my check on the first. I got my 15th. Still. Still to this day, the 15th. Right now, this is just fucked up. So, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

So please, please. So, all right, so y'all go in the studio. This beat is playing and what, what comes up with this? I mean, well, we're in the studio. I mean, it should be so long ago. I forget who sing. Was it the first of the month? Yeah, it was the first of the month.

It was the first of the month when y'all made the first of the month. No, we are. Oh, I was the other thing. We had a song about the first of the month. Because it's fucking true. It was the first of them, when you're paid the first of the moment. Because it's true. You know what I'm saying?

Shit is true. It's like we just, when we in the studio, we just vibe. It might be chants going on. It might be, uh, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. It might be, it might be cray. It might be me. It might be wishing. You never know where it's coming from.

I don't remember exactly who came up with that chant to that beat. But you know what I mean? It's just like, and that's what stuff because it's true, man. Right. Yeah. We was probably thinking about getting a check or something. And that's how that shit happened, man. Motherfucker, first of the month.

Yo, you know your records are timeless. Like, they play your shit in bar mitzvice. Yeah, I know. That's real. When you grow up in the projects, you know what I'm saying? And you wrap in singing, you come up with shit like first of the month. You know what I'm saying? The one of them, what y'all were talking about?

The motherfucking food stamps can't. So when we spoke about that earlier, Crosswall. I believe, was that Hype Williams? No, that wasn't Hype Williams. Because this was a million-dollar video. This was like 1.5. That was up there. I believe y'all was the most expensive video.

At that time. At that time. I believe so. It was something like that. It was up there. It was about a million. 5 million-dollar production, but that was the first time you really seemed like my niggie that was keying dog was disappearing

in the cold you seen the uh the black angel with the wings come out right seeing easy e walking up the mountain right them effects right now you can do that shit in capcrow me right now yeah that shit cost you back then that it was like cutting edge yeah that's it was like having some shit from business i like them niggas get money that's what you like you look at that You're like, them niggas spent a lot on that motherfucker. They spend about 1.5. Had to recoup that too. How about you going too fast?

Had to recoup that shit too. You know, I had a video for 1.1. I didn't know I had to recoup this shit. I'm sitting there drinking Louis XIII. Ordering Crystal. That bunch of was already set anyways. You were going to recoup it anyways. Nick, if they would have told me, you know you got to pay.

back every single one of these dollars. I wouldn't have been drinking Louis nothing. I would do E and J, baby. I'm going to be at 0.45, baby. But all, cool, so I. The people come to you, coming to you guys and say,

Crossroads has to be the biggest video in hip-hop history. You guys are saying what? I mean, when they said it had to be or did they? No, how did they go to it? No, no, I'm asking. Yeah, he's out. Yeah, yeah. I'm just being animated. I'm sorry. Like, you all know it was going to be a big budget video.

Like, how did the label present it? It was the label idea to say that's spent a 1.5. It definitely wasn't presented like, oh, yeah, this is a big budget. It's going to be great. You know, there wasn't no numbers brought up and shit at that time, you know what I'm saying. But it's going to be great. And all that, and it was going to be a big video. But we knew that because of the song and what the song was representing.

Like, we just, when we saw the video, we was mind-blowed. again, it's 1996, so of course we wasn't the business side of it, we wasn't that acclimated where we should have been, but that shit just, it blew our mind. We didn't know they were spending all that goddamn money. You know what I mean? But all we knew was we had a dope-ass video, and this motherfucker is different, and, you know,

and we've been to do something. That's what we knew. And then when was the moment you found out you got to recouped this? I found that out shortly after, you know what I mean? Because you got to remember he had just passed. Tamika Wright and Michael Klein, they was fighting for the company and all that shit. So all our shit was in court for a minute. Oh, that's right.

I forget that. You know what I'm saying? So they was in court for a minute. So come 1997, when it's time for us. us to do a new album. That's when the nigga learned that, okay, now you got to recoup. Because we had like some millions of dollars where it was the budget. But this other budget had leaned over into this new budget, which had lessened that budget.

And they was, you know, they was piggybacking everything off everything with the royalties and publishing and all that shit that, how they was robbing the fuck out of us. You know what I mean? Like, so. They had part of your publishing, too, the label? Yeah, Rufus had a piece of our publishing in the beginning. After we sold millions, we negotiated that back. You know what I mean?

But it wasn't, ain't none of our shit been easy, man. Come from easy, but not easy. It's all been a lesson. Lessons learned, the more you go through this shit, the better off you're going to be on your motherfucking on. trust me. A lot of people have that same story, right?

Obviously me, I have the same story. We always look at it like, you know what? We signed on this first deal. It might not be the best. But you get in the door. That's the, yeah. You had to get in the door back then, though. But we didn't, you had to get in there, noise.

Yes, I'm saying. So I. You had to. If you didn't do it then, you wouldn't be in now. You might not. You might. Maybe.

we're not here now. Yes. So we had to take that elevator. We had to do that roller coaster. A sacrifice. Yeah. So go ahead. So how do we tell a young person right now?

Like, you know, both of us considered the OG and a young person comes over with us. A man, lazy, man. I'm about to sign to. Star Rock is trying to. To big ice records. Right. Big ice records. And I'm like, under ice records.

Yeah, yeah. Right. And we're like, damn. And he's like, yo, man, such and such. But we know that this one opportunity, if he does make it, he might not make the money that he wants, but he could put it in that position because the one thing they can't take it away from you is fame. Right.

Once you become famous? You want you a brand. Yes, once you a brand. Once you brand yourself, they can't take that away from you. You brand. So that's the reason why. Drink champs brand. Yes.

So that's the reason why they are. careful now and they don't have artist development. They want the artists to develop their self. That's why it's different. And then they can't get these artists. Right. So how do, what do you say to the, to, uh, little

who's the ice cube? Little ice cube. Little ice cube age is made, right? What do you say to him? He says to you, man, lazy, I got this deal, man. And, and I know I can go to the next way. Do you, what do you, let me not even. I'd be like, okay.

Yeah, yeah. He'll be like tone low coming out to... That's good. You can do what you got to do. I don't do that. No, man, I just, you know, an artist these days, a youngster these days, got way more options than we had.

So my first thing I'm going to tell them is, let's weigh your options out thoroughly. And then before you decide, like, just don't jump off out the tree. Don't be hasty. Haste, haste make waste. I give them the whole spill. Don't just take your fucking time.

Like, if they offering it to you now, that's there. The offer is there. Now let's just weigh your options out. Right. Because if they offering you that, that might be a quick fix. But if you take three years to do this and you on everything, if it take you three years to have all your residuals, all your intellectual properties, you want everything,

You're already to your publishers. If I was managing these little niggas, it'd be on and cracking. Highly at me. Don't just, don't holl at me. Still doing my shit. But I remember Master P. Trying to lend his expertise to certain people, certain people, you know, taking it. But certain people would not.

Like, you know, you know what's the crazy thing. And this is my personal question asking you. If the kid knows who I am and I meet him, I fuck him. But if the person don't really know who I am, I'm not interested in introducing myself, bro. Like, I'm not interested, and I'm not saying I'm not fucking with the YNs, but I was one of them niggas. And I know I'm, when I walk off, he'll be like, that old motherfucker. I knew this. Right.

That was me. I used to say that. Right. Right. To the MC that I didn't understand. So I'm not saying I don't mess with them, but I almost, I almost understand their fucking logic. Because when you get your first little record and you popping, right.

You think you, first off, you think this feeling is going to last forever. They don't understand that feeling is like a crackhead. It's 15 seconds and then you're going to go on and make another one. Right. But if like, like, do you fuck with this young generation? Let's, that's a better question. Because I don't. That's a pivot-ass weird.

I like. I like some of them. I like some of them. You just broad stated. What you want to be honest? Some of them is like, man, I hope you survive. I like a lot of them. You can't put it on the whole generation. That's the whole generation.

I like, overall, the mentality of it all, I don't like it, though. Right. Like, you know what I mean? I think these niggas do need artists development. Yes. I think they do need to learn how to listen. I think they do need to appreciate who put these stones up for you to build the the building that you're building.

Like, so certain things I don't agree, but I do see a whole lot of talent. Yeah, there's a lot of times. It's just motherfuckers don't want to listen because everything is right here. Like, you know, maybe if you can make them to listen to people that have been there before them or, you know, had the wisdom, been there, been there, done that, nigga. Right. You know what I'm saying? Maybe if, but a lot of times I don't fuck with them.

A lot of times I do. So I got kids in this music shit now, you know, so I try to tell them. Like, I like what you did with Fennesse. Like, I believe he sampled Viggy and he said that y'all try to charge him. And that's impossible because that was belong to Bad Boy. That's bad boy shit. Right. But I like how you didn't blow your cool.

Like you did that first. You did? Oh, I didn't see that part then. No, it was in private. Okay, okay, okay. What the fuck wrong with these niggas, man. But no, it's just like, when I thought about it and shit, I'm sitting in my bed. I'm chilling like, these niggas just really don't know.

Call them a grasshopper, I believe. Yeah, grasshopper. Yeah, yeah. When you call someone why a grasshopper, that's actually like giving them more. Like, yeah, you're going to, you're going to, yeah, it's a co-food reference. It's not actually a actual this. It's like, you know what I see? I wasn't son in you.

Yeah. I'm just letting you know, nigga. I respect your elders, Nick. Yeah, yeah. It's more of respect your elders and I've been here before, you know, before you. So from the game of respect again, you know what I'm saying? So that's all that was. I just had to let the little nigger know.

Like, I like what you did, but, you know what I'm saying? We don't own that shit. Right, right. Try that to educate him. He still went crazy. Right. I say, these little niggas crazy. But you think that was his record label who actually said, you know,

Bonewood Nugs is trying to charge you or you think he just got fed some false information? They just ran with it. I mean. I don't know if he did. It's due diligence, me. Yeah, yeah. That's all I'm saying. You got to do your due diligence.

All right, all right. Yeah. All right. So I didn't ask you this earlier, but I feel like I know the answer to this. We always have this on QuickTime of Slime. We didn't have it this time. But I think I know the answer to this. What do you like more?

Making the record or performing the record? I like performing the record. I mean, I'm in love with the whole process, though. Like, I love making music, man. Like, now that technology then took the turn, it took. I wake up all my middle of the night, go down in my studio, record me some shit, you know what I'm saying? You heard you do four bars and chill out and then do another four bars. Like, it ain't nothing.

You remember we just had a whole 16. You all. You fuck up on that 16. You got your own. on studio now. Yeah, yeah. Rewind into that two tracks, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole look, look as old, you should tell y'all, the blacks, doesn't have our moment.

Like, you just have to do the whole verse. Right. And you, remember if you have to punch it, you have to tape it? Yeah, you can cut it with the right. Oh, you take 30 minutes. You know, niggas, you gotta be lucky. You fuck that, we had to, we had to really work. That was really working.

Fuck that vibe up if you want to that. Yes, yes. You can't, you can't do it all the way through it. Man. Holy shit. Let me ask you You get to speak to And hang with

Tupac again For a week But you knowing That his demise is going to come What would you do different Hanging out with him? Damn, well Man, I'll basically be

I'll be in this ear like dog We gotta live long, man We gotta focus on the business You know what I'm saying? like anything that's distracting, I would have just been telling him, but that's the type of person I am, though. I can see the bullshit coming. I haven't been through so much, man. I've been shot, stabbed, kick-punched, selling my dope the first of the month, all that old.

I did it all. So I could see it coming. I pop, oh, man, we need to slow down. Let's get these movies. That's what I'm putting on the tape. You know what I'm saying? So I was just keep encouraging him to stay focused on. You know, I definitely wouldn't have been promoting.

Fuck this one and fuck that one. You know what I'm saying? It's a waste of time. Let me ask you this because it's not a lot of people that we have on the show that met Pock and it met Biggs. Not just to make them. Not just work with them. Yeah, and work with them. But let me just ask you a question about stayed on Pock for a second.

People that we know, we interviewed, we ask them, was there, What's the difference between Pock down with Digital Underground and Pock down with Death Row? I ain't never get to meet Pock, so I'm just, you know what I mean. Did you know that? Did you know the Underground Pock? Yeah. I mean, I would just say Digital Underground Pock was young and less experienced. And then the other Pock had been through some shit, went to jail, been accused of rape and all.

You know, had a change. Life had a cut up with him. He started growing as a man. Right. The other one was a young kid coming out of school. He went to, I think he went to art school. In Baltimore. Yeah, in Baltimore.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he knew he was an educated man. So, but he was young. And then some shit happened, and he had to grow up from that. And that's what developed into the man of him. So life is phases, man. You know what I mean? That was a kid back there when he was,

let's do the hump in the hump. Yeah, he was young. You know what I mean? He was developing. He was becoming. Then he became, and that's who that was. You know what I mean? And we didn't get a chance to see.

You know what I'm saying? And I know that because it seemed like to me life change. Every seven years you look up and things is a little bit different. It's a new technology. We podcasting. We're doing this. We're doing that. But I've been watching that since I was seven years off.

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I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with a new guy? That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting.

They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to. try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultur podcast network available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What were you guys feeling as a group seeing the pock and big thing going back and forth and then where it ended up? Like, how was that affecting you? you guys well it was tripped out to me because i have remembered them niggas being friends

right they know i mean like i heard niggas talking about they was friends and like the stories i was hearing was they was like this were you know i mean and then when all the shit happened i remember i forgot that with the shooting in the uh at the studio and on and then it was A lot city thing, right? So, for me, man, it was just like, that shit just unfortunate. It ain't, it's hard to talk about because it ain't shit we could do this. That's going to change nothing. Right.

You know what I mean? But we know niggas in this game should not be beefing to the motherfucking point where shit get to blazing. You know what I'm saying? I think this is our first example where that actually happened. in the culture, right? Except Scott La Rock, but... And it didn't happen since. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Well, they've been going down. Why is this? I don't have to control. Oh, they're out there. And they're making records about it. Jeez, dang it. They're like, yo, I shot them here.

Yes. Oh, that was just thinking. You guys. And I feel like before that, though, quick and MCA... Shit, normal, huh? Pretty honest. I'm stunning. I ain't going to lie.

I'm stunning. They got us looking crazy. They got us looking smart. Yeah. Like, you know, you know, Like our generation, like they out here. Yo, I clipped them on 69th. Like, we weren't even.

On the ground. On the ground right here by the pieces shop. And I wouldn't have got an icy after that. And they say it and they rap. And they did it. No, on the ground. Yeah. And they did it.

Word. Yeah, but yeah. Damn, I forgot the question you asked. Nigget. No, you answered it. You hesid it. Let me ask you. Do the same question I asked you before, right?

Now, but this time it's a little twist. you get to hang out with Biggie for a week, right? Mm-hmm. But you get to, God tells you, yo, you get to say, you know, what he shouldn't do in order for him to not meet his demise. So it's the same question, but you get to like to do something like to make Big not, you know, run into fit. Oh, that's very simple. Nigger, we ain't going to California. Don't go.

Stay your ass in New York Where the people love you at And you know they all They got your back, nigga And all that old Fuck new friends Right No new friends

Fuck that But let me ask you What you Did you feel that type of energy For big out in L.A.? Like did you feel that That love wasn't there Especially at that time

Because it was right after Pox death Nick They loved that nigga Big When we was in the studio With that nigga We was outside and shit Right

You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, we, we outside, nigga, like, they love, they stop and screaming for big. Wow. Hey, gee, what's up, nigga? Wow. He's, like, he's walking around, he don't give a fuck. Right. Like, now the flinch, now, you know, cars go, boom.

He ain't looking that way. Right. He's just, whatever we're doing. He's, like, he was really, he was poised. He was having fun. And that's fucked up. Because I heard C's even say that trip He said anytime they went to Cali

He said but that trick in particular They got a warning They was having So no no no They got a warning that's a go for that trip Yeah That's what I said I would have said don't go

Right But I'm just saying though But niggas was having a good time Yeah that's what C's said That's what I'm saying See said that All the time they went to Cali But he said but this particular trip

That this was one of like They was really really Really having fun Like you know what I mean Like, um, because it wasn't, it wasn't the people of the city. It was, it was something, you know, it was more like, it wasn't East Coast, West Coast. It was people that was beefing. Right.

I know. When we was in the studio, it was C's, it was, niggas, it was, it was about 15 old thug members. It was about 15 bad boy members. Mm-hmm. In the two-room studio, jam-packed in that motherfucker. And we was, he was having a time of his life. Right. And I had seen him, I seen him the night before they, when they left, the hotel.

You know what I'm saying? Like, niggas was happy. Oh, so he was dead. So I would just say, don't even go there. Like, let's figure this shit out for real first. Wow. That's deep, though. Yeah, no, that's a real deep.

Remember, he even has the record on the, on the album, going back to Cali record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he knew he had love out there. Yeah. He loved it out there. See, when you live at. shit. You would have asked some deep-haired shit. No, I mean, you know why?

I really never met Pop. Like, I met Big, like, a couple of times. One of the illest shit about Big, because I met him in the tunnel, and we had just did L-A-L-A. We wanted to, like, go back. We wanted to represent for New York on the East Coast, and Big looked at me, and he couldn't have been, like, 22 or something like that.

And he looked and was like, no, I'm not using that. And I was like, what? He was like, I'm not using that. I'm like, I'm too big and if I respond to this guy, then they're going to think that what he's accusing me of, I did. And, like, at the time, I was like,

big, it's crazy. But, you know, now as an older man, I was like, yo, he was so wise back then. It was me who was the idiot. For his time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, were. So, um, okay, hold on. Okay, so Mariah Carey really kicked you out of the studio?

It wasn't Mariah. Like, kick who? Me, y'all. Y'all when she was doing her vocals. Mm-hmm. Yeah? It was her specifically? Nah, it wasn't her.

I was to call her, because she didn't kick me out. No, she ain't say y'all get the fucking. She didn't, she didn't say y'all got to get the fuck out of it. But it was like, you know, it's time for her to do her vocal. Okay. She's what a privacy. You know. Yeah.

With all the courtesy and all the respect in the world, y'all gone on over there. And that's what she did her thing. But, yeah, she was private when she did that. Okay, but hold on. Okay. When you recorded with Big, Big was there? Big was there. When me, busy, and crazy recorded our verses,

Big took the dang home. We didn't hear that, we didn't hear. When we did our shit, Big was like, oh, man, he's like, I'm telling you, we don't, you know. And he's trying to tell us, he going to take that shit home and, you know, let us hear later. So that's what happened. But we didn't hear his verse.

until after he passed. Wow. Did you expect his verse to be that way? Not at all, nigga. It's you crazy. There's just no example of somebody trying to like trying to pay with homage to y'all at that time.

That was the most ultimate hymish bomb does the harm to every guy. And you didn't get to hear it with him in the same thing. Damn, bro. Couldn't even perform it live together. That's crazy. Damn, how bad you have performing that? I got chills, but. Yeah, that would have been.

Holy shit. We did our shit. All day, we was in the studio like 14, 15 hours. I passed out in the limo, woke up, did my shit. Busy had did his crazy. He was like, but it was late as fuck. And we're smoking and drinking and doing, we having fun and shit. Seas, little Kim, everybody was there in that money. Everybody, man.

And then next thing you know, he's like, we're going to take this home. Took that shit home. and we never heard it till it came out after he passed. And he was like, oh, I'm in dangerous. Ain't too many getting bang with us.

We like, Craig, like, he did, he did what I told him to do. Wait, who said that? Craig said, I don't know what they talked about. He said, he did what I told him to do. I said, all right. Who's, who's, who's, who's crazy? Craig's, crazy.

Craig, I'm like, who the fuck's crack? I'm like, what the fuck is Craig? I said, Craig. I said, Craig. I said, Craig. I said Craig, man. What did Craig come from? I said, pray, man.

My bad, my bad, my bad. Holy shit. Okay. Was y'all in the studio with Pac when y'all recorded with Pac? Busy was in the studio with Pop. Okay. He had that pleasure. You can ask him that question.

But, you know what I'm saying? Like. Busy, it looked like he was studio with Pop. Yeah, he looked like they get along. And then our home girl, Silky Frye from GBM. She was like the plug for that session right there. I always got to say that because she'd be like, you know, I put that together. She did.

Okay. Busy did. They did their verse and then I think Busy wanted it for like a solo song or solo something like that. But we was like, you got us fucked up. This is a pop. Right. Yeah. Oh, we got to get at the pop.

Yeah, yeah. Hold up, man. Okay. We established who was in the studio with Mariah. carry only time she used to need the privacy for her vocals. We established that, right? Right. But now, Phil Collins, Flazia out to Sweden?

Phil flew us out. Phil flew us to Sweden, man. Where are black people there? None. I know, I'm in Sweden, that's why I have. Definitely wasn't no black people there. Okay. Yeah, but.

Okay, yeah, Atlanta in Sweden. Phil picks y'all up. Mm-hmm. Rose voices, I imagine. Okay. So what happens? I mean, we end up, I don't know, he took us to this one spot. You know what I mean? He was like, he said it was his house, right? I swear to God, we pulled up to a castle, nigger.

I'm talking about a motherfucker, like, castle. Biggest, fuck. Like shit, he man living. Yeah. Castle Grace got. Yeah. It took us about 20 minutes to get down and drive. It took us about 20 minutes to get down the driveway, so we gets out the car.

20 minutes? Hold up. Let's skip over that part. Hold on, on. That's a whole neighborhood. To get down the driveway? Just the driveway. We pull up to the thing, and it's another fence you got to get out in front of. So the nigger, we get out.

Phil got some weed. He got, what? Weed. Weed. We feel. We got, we like, we like, we like. Oh, this nigga smoked weed. Because I imagine y'all didn't bring no weed with y'all in Sweden.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't Aesatat Rockin gets locked up in Sweden? No, Germany, I don't know. That was not Germany. It was Sweden. No, no, no, no, it was not Germany. It wasn't Germany. Google it.

It was in Germany. It wasn't Germany. I was in Germany. Well, I forgot. I was telling the Phil, I mean, put you out there like that. Yeah, yeah, no, feel good. So you get out the car, Phil got a platter, like a platter? Like a bon.

No, not a platter like he. He came out. He had on a trash coat. Uh-huh. A trance coat? Yeah, he had to put that shit out of it. He ain't say nothing. He ain't even tell us he had the weed.

He ain't say he was about to light it. All we just, this nigger starts smoking weed. And we feigned him. Like, we took a 14-hour flight over to this motherfucking nigga. And that's when he became field ball. Hello, y'all. Nothing like smoking his sleep. Phil bone.

That done made him a part of the hood. That's like give him a nigga a gang man. I told him, roll with the bone, more thud, going to follow, man. God damn. So, all right, cool. Now, I imagine the studio is in the house. Yep, somewhere in that castle.

Okay. So y'all go in. Somewhere in the castle. So you're going, how does this record come about? So actually, Craig was playing with one of his samples. And then we sampled it. So he sent it to him and he was like, well, if they can come out here, then I let him use it.

You know what I'm saying? Well, this looks like some golf all this shit. Yeah, we went out there, you know, and we wanted to shoot a video. So he was like, but if y'all come to Sweden, then I give y'all, because he gave you all, Because he gave us this speech about he never let people really rappers sample his music and things like this. You know what I'm saying? This is how, you know, things like this, you know what I mean?

I'm like, okay, can we use the motherfucker? Went to Sweden, smoked weed with a grate, and shit in the castle. I ain't never seen no been in no castle before. America said they'd be having cribs and shit like this. This shit was drew out there. comic book with all the etchings in that. I was like, fuck. This nigga got some money.

This was like 2005, 2006. That's when I wanted some field collar money. Phil collars money. That's how good. Then you want a castle. I want a castle. I like castles. The real estate, you know, was off the hook. Is that, is that like the weirdest person that you know

that loves your music because your music is so universal I imagine nah nah man shit Dionne Warwick oh shit she posed to come on a drink chance

I was just in Australia and I seen her and I gave her a hug I couldn't believe you know you see your people as you take her pictures like I get pictures all the time Wait wait wait time I'll say that again

So we was in Australia Australia I seen her right You know I feel a guy that her son, Damien Elliott, produced half of Flesh and Bones Out. Oh, shit.

So she's so much a bone fan. It's crazy. I remember she used to hate hip hop, so... I sing Smokey Robinson. Smokey Robinson, the nigga with the green eye. Yeah, well, I sing him, right? He was like, I'm like, damn, that might be

make it look like pops a little bit, right? And then, uh, he, he was like, I know who you are. Mm-hmm. I know your music. Mm-hmm. I approached Gladys Night the same way. She was like, I know who you are.

That's when shit be kicking in, like, damn. Wow. Like, that's real negative. They know. Right. So that's like the oddest. But. Phil Collins wasn't odd, though.

He was just. After you name him bone, he's just down. Yeah. Yeah. And he's smoking bud in the castle. Like that. in Sweden, but they locked A-Sat Rocky up for the same shit. Right.

Fucked out. Yeah. For like two joints or something like, no, no, no. He had a fight. No, yeah, the fight. I'm going to look at that. I'm throwing a butt-or-a-digger. Yeah.

My bad. Look at me. My bad. Call the Chargant you want to throw them. What country were you surprised, though, that you had a fan base in? That you went for the first time, obviously. Everywhere, man. It's just like being there to try.

travel, you know what I mean? Like, I ain't never really been to an Asian country. But all over Europe, Brazil, South America, it just trips me out that niggas got out of the hood and made a name. And I can go anywhere I want to go on earth and really, you know, do business and be respected and all that good stuff. Take this for the... Armed in Dangerous.

Ain't too many getting bang with us. Let me see. Stevie J was up in that motherfucker, Little C, Steve Lobel, Crazy Bone, my nigga cat, flashing bone, busy bone, Pete Diddy was in that motherfucker.

I was sitting right next to Big. That nigga stole my motherfucking weed, too. I ain't bullshit. I'm like, nigga, where my weed at, man? I bought you as... Oh, we're playing big. What about the Black Panther soundtrack, the points? That was the very first time we interacted with everybody.

You know what I'm saying? It was like you do, you put the verse down and then you do to shoot your part to the video. Right. So that Panther. Was that at D&D Studios? I don't know where it was, man But it was like we went We did the song

And then the video was next So it was like Then we seen Red Man And you know We fresh now We just now getting on So we're looking at that niggas Like a nigga red man in this bitch

That whole little process Was the shit Oh Shout out to the AIS Let's talk about brothers For the struggle Back in the day, right? Right

Tell us what that was So brothers for the struggle, Pratt, Paycheck and Pratt. These were some homies from Cleveland, Ohio, right? They was the first nigger selling shit out to Trump, selling their music and independently doing their things. So when I shout out brothers for the struggle, it's always to, it's a group, a duo group

that had the block on. on lock, you know what I mean? And then was the first Cleveland examples that we had of get in the studio, record your music, you know, going through all the different processes. So, yeah, that's brothers for the struggle, man. Those niggas was a cold group from Cleveland, Ohio. Okay. And like 88, 87, 88.

Okay. Now, what's the association, you know, Elanda Adams? We did a song. We did a song with Yenna. with your line, which to me is my favorite Bond song. Favorite Bone song? My favorite bone song. Because it's, my favorite type of music is that inspiring inspirations, you know, shit that pick you up.

But that's up there with my favorite Bond song because it's called Order My Steps. So we had did a song with her on a strength and loyal album that we did with. Swiss B's and Enterscote. Right. We was talking about that earlier. We, we, we, we, we, we, was that full surface? Full surface. It was full surface.

It was, it was, yeah, it was us, uh, yeah, we, we was just, we was banged out with Swiss B for about two years straight. So what was that? That was a Jimmy, you guys had business with Jimmy Avine and then Swiss came in or you you guys had beat for Swiss. took you to the inner scope. And Swiss took you your inner scope. Because we forgot that.

Yeah, yeah, I completely, I was like, I did. So through Steve Lobel, we end up plugging with Swiz. Right? So Swizz, at that time, Vaughn, we had no deal, none of that type of stuff. So we, long story short, we hooked up. Steve took me to Swizz, Swiz. We ended up getting, that's when we did the three-man album. with myself crazy bone and flat.

I mean, myself crazy bone and wish. I'm sorry. So that was the Strength and Loyalty album. And we did that album, and that was through, and Swizz, we was with full surface, but through Interscope, Jimmy Iveen in them. And that album, shit, that shit,

platinum out the gate, Swiz. God damn. Swizz resuscitated that. right quick buy and we had single with A-Con that was like 2006 I tried we had put out a movie that year that

went platinum you sell 100,000 DVDs or something platinum value yeah yeah yeah on the independent yeah what do you what do you

and you have the pleasure of having both um what do you like better being on a major or being independent? Hands down, independent. Yeah? You know what I mean? Why?

Because, so the pros of being on a major is you can have everybody do everything for you and it's easy like that. Right. So that's the pro. Yes. Everything else is the kind against that shit. You know what I mean?

I would rather be independent and do everything myself and take my time to do it and build it and grow it. Like, that's how I do projects. Now I think of it, boom. Now I'm recording. Now I'm marketing. I'm promoting it. You know, it's just like all these different things independently you get to do. You know what I mean?

And it becomes your own for real. And, you know, you can't let nobody, nobody do for you the way you would do for you. You got to maintain some level of independence. Okay. Control. Plus the ownership. Control. Ownership is control.

You want to own all your shit if you can now, you know. Little piece here, little piece there if it's worth it, you know, and always talk to somebody about if it's worth it or not and keep your options open. We was talking about keeping the options open. So, yeah. Yeah, independent, man. Okay. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across.

When Jacob met Levant this went to a billion-dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the Aihar Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist,

Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough.

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and their rights get reverted back after, I believe, 25 or 30? 30 years. Is that something that you guys are into? getting your rights reverted back because i believe that happens for all artists if it's those like 25 30 years right yeah well we fully engaged right now you know it's a process after 30 years you have you have to have so many documents file so many things you have to do to prepare to get your shit back if you missed the window that's not out of the had not prepared before time then they could still give you bullshit wow that's how they slave ship

a nigga. But we fully engaged in making sure, like, it's a process. I share that process with anybody out there, you know what I'm saying? You can ask chat GPT, you don't need me. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Really chat TPT know the answer? Yeah, that's my motherfucker, no. Right. I don't fucking chat GPT yet. I'm going to fuck with it. That motherfucker, no. Yeah? That motherfucker, no.

Get out of here. Listen to me. You fuck with chat GPT? I fuck with that. thing that's fuck with a bulls. I don't play no goddamn games out here. I could read, it can read, we can read

and you got robot bitches too, that you don't need a boy, you better tap in. I wasn't ready for that. I wasn't ready for that. That's a different chat GPD. That's a different chat GPD. That's that century. Let's be funny for a second. I'm just talking.

No, let's be funny for a second. You think, you think, um, Robots will replace strippers They Ben did that They bended that No, they got the ones They got the mouth robots They put the you

They got all that shit Where are you doing? Wait what? Wait what? No, they do they got robots strip club? Mouth robots? Mouth robots? I've never heard of this.

Y'all fucking with me, man. They got mouth robots? Come on. What is the mouth robot? Get out of here. I've been told. I heard a lot about this shit, man. They don't know about the mouth robot.

They got all the kind of robots. You know what I mean? Yeah. You just got to learn how to operate them. They can't operate you. You got to operate them. Oh, shit. And control back, man.

We're the ones. So, all right, as a person, you know, come from vinyl tapes. Is streaming a plus or is streaming a minus? I know you said you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and direct the consumer. But it's streaming something that you look at as a plus because

you know, I remember back then, if I wanted my record to get to London, I had to bring my record to London. So, like, what do you think? It's streaming something that you sit back and say, I'm with that or fuck that? Get away from that.

It's never fucked it. I think it's a plus. I think it's an addition. You know what I mean? like I think it's senseless if you don't go direct to your consumer. You know, you got to offer them all kind of bundles and benefits and things that, you know, you sell your own profit, but it's still a benefit to have to be able to reach out to everybody. Right. But loyal fan base always going, you know. Tap in, right?

Tap in and, you know, merchandise and things. or, you know, and you're staying growing new fans just by having your music out there. You know what I mean? But I would say, follow this blueprint. I do all the physical shit first, then I release to, you know, I think they work hand-in-hand. Yeah. But just not simultaneously because you want to benefit often. There's your investment that you put out there because, you know, we invest our time, we invest our money,

we invests a lot of resources to still make music. You know what I mean? Time being the most fun, especially if you really do it. Right. In any entertainment endeavor. All you got to do is just, I think they both work hand-in-hand, but I think one at a time. If you could take back anything in this game that you did, that you regret,

what would it be? probably negotiating solo albums and shit should have probably waited a few years before you did a solo album before I negotiated solo records alright ain't talking about for everyone not just you okay

wow why would have kept the group together a little longer yeah I think because it's the fight well I don't regret I just think if you're following like the Wu-Tang method you think? Yeah, because we was album, album, album, solo, solo, solo group. So we didn't get to stick to that because the fame's then. You know what mean? The shit got big before we knew it. So but that's that's the only thing. There's no

regret, but if I could have did something different, I'd have waited. How about you personally, did you enjoy doing music solo versus the group or vice versa? I'm group-oriented, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, I love my niggas. We did everything together since the young kids, you know what I mean? But I love being solo, too, when I don't have to negotiate. Right. And you know what I mean?

Like, I like being an artist, period, but I like making shit work business-wise, all together in harmony type as me. Now, obviously, you saw it. straight out of the car thing, the movie. Obviously, when you watch that, you had to say, man, we need this bone fucking movie. Well, of course, you know, we're talking about it. Okay.

Perfect world. Who's the director of the bone movie? Well, I really hadn't even thought it through like that. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to do that. Okay. Is there a script yet?

Perfect world. Who's playing you? You ain't never looking at it on the TV? I'm like, man, this nigga can play me. I see a couple faces, but I don't know them niggis' name. I don't know, man. I ain't get into the role.

See, my mind thing more of on the business side of it, you know what I mean? Here's why I say that, right? We have so many dope stories of hip-hop, right? and but some of the best ones are for the people that's still alive right so Park's not here to say to critique his own movie and be like I didn't like this part right big's not here to say that but the reason why I brought up straight out of Compton is like how many people out of five of them four of them are still here right

everybody except easy except for easy yeah you know what I'm saying so like so most people look at that and be like This is the best one because the people that are still here are a part of this actual movie. You know what I mean? This is the reason. You've never thought like that? I have. Can't nobody play me like me, though.

You know what I'm saying? You can't play you. Like, whatever and shit like that. Your son maybe. My son. You know what? Ooh. My son, do you.

Like you. Like my son's Takadi. My son's Takadi House. I actually got a part in a. Michael Jackson movie. I think he played... But your son got a role of Michael Jackson movie? Yeah.

So we didn't make a noise for me. You don't even know what a certain. I do have a mini-meet that can play me from 14 to the... All right. I have a longish position. Yeah, yeah. I think that was genius for Ice Cube did that. Had his son playing.

I have to mention that. And then in the Michael, it's a Jermaine's son. Michael's nephew playing him. Yeah? Wait, Michael's nephew is playing Michael. Jermaine son. Oh, shit. Yeah.

Yeah. fucking me up right now. Okay, my son playing a young Jermaine in the actual movie. It's supposed to be in the part two. You know, they cut it at 88, whatever. But my son, he did his acting thing and that. Really? So I would love for my kids to play me, you know.

That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, my sons, they're all doing something, you know what I mean? Okay, so now let me ask you. Now, the movie, we didn't establish the director because you didn't say, but you got your son playing the movie. Now, the studio comes to you and say,

but we can save a lot of money filming this AI. Are you saying, no, no, no. No, come on, dad. We got to go back to Cleveland to film this. Or you're saying, take the pay cut. Cut, Jack!

Don't ain't do me like, we got to go back to Cleveland. You already know. You already know. You're all right. You're all right. You're all right. You go on the Cleveland,

nigga, you're like that. You're like, you know, like all bets is off. Yeah, you know, that was the

dovest thing about eight mile was, this is real talk. I had been going to Detroit for years and I had never there was no eight mile

over there. Like, I would stay on this miles. So, like, when I seen that, I was like, holy shit. There's a whole other,

the side. You know what I mean? Like there's places there with people. And like, I feel like the story of Cleveland hasn't been told. You know what I'm saying? I feel like, and like, like, like I said, like you, you guys are like a franchise. Like, it's like, you know, cavaliers, bull, motherfucking. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?

Y'all heard what he said. It feels like it's a franchise. It's a whole deal. Holl at me, man. Yeah. But yeah, we're going to, we definitely going to tell our story the way we wanted told. Mm-hmm. It ain't no rush.

It ain't no, you know what I'm saying? Like, we all five live. Right. Now what I mean? We all do talk. Right. We all do share, still share different aspirations with each other. You know what I'm saying?

So this shit, it's fun for us. Like, we just, we just, uh, and to see who's going to be in shape on this. this motherfucker tour. Okay. And when's the tour again? August.

August. End of August to... This is the Wu-Tang one? Yeah. So it's Bonn, Doug, Wutang. It's Bonn. So it's Wutang,

they promoted as their final tour. Right, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is that one. Are you guys going to be in the West Palm? Yeah. Yep, and we... That's the one I want to go to. We opening up for Wutang on their final tour.

Wow. Them niggas are going to go back out of talk No, they're going to go They're not fooling me Don't tell them that Nags Yeah, yeah Yeah, my bad

Yeah That's the last one You know I'm not going to lie We was in Paris And I got to see them And Nause performed But I didn't

You ever see that show? Mm-mm To who's taking Nause Well, they did it like a play Like a mixtape Like a mixtape Like a mixtape. I didn't know that

So, like, I was sitting there, Steve Riff was like, man, you know, come on stage. I was like, nah, bro. Like, I'm here. Like, I'm in Paris. I happen to be in Paris. They happen to be there. I'm here as a fan. I sat there and I watched it and they went song for song for song for song for song.

I had never seen no shit like that. And it's like, yo, hip hop is still alive, bro. Like, I can't wait to go out there and see y'all. So when is this the tour start? It's end of August. Okay. And it's 27 dates. And it's going to last all.

U.S.? Yes. Yes. You are all U.S. cities. And it's from like the end of August to damn near the end of the October, 27 days. Maybe we do a drink chance backstage. Yeah, we definitely go there. That's right.

We definitely. So before we get up out of there, is anything you want to say to your fans? I'm doing a director-consumer album. I need everybody to follow me at lazybone.com. Is that the name of the album, director-insumer? It's called Dash. Oh, that's right. You're just playing that.

Yeah. So, uh, dash, the life we living. Just, uh, just check me out, man. Follow me on my Instagrams and shit like that, the real lazy bone. I just came to hang out with you, man, wanted to let people know that this direct-to-consumer thing. Yeah. Yeah. There's a real thing.

If you really want to support your artist, if it's hooked up right, I got, man, look, all you got to do is holl at me. And I'm going to give you what you need. as far as bond thugs and harmony information. Right. So, okay, before you get up out here, I want to put them a little bit more light on a direct-to-consumer thing because we want these people to be able to go straight to you.

Right. And this is, now, now, this is music or this is merch as well? Everything. Everything. Okay. I just so happen to be releasing some new music. Okay. Just, you know, just to get the thing going,

but it's direct to our consumer. Just follow me on lazybone.com, harmonyhouse.net, and I let everything do the explaining, you know, as far as, yeah. And like you said, this is the test for the whole bone thugs and harmony doing the same thing, right? What's the name of that chip?

Yes, you did that chip. Damn, I couldn't. I see you're traveling, yeah. So, no, so that's, On the NFC chip, you could put your album on there and a website called Tango, right? Mm-hmm. So what you do is it's a keychain. I wish I had one to show you right now, but I give it to you.

Yeah. But Tango is a website, and it's an NFC chip, boom. That's the way you're sharing your music these days without putting it on DSP. Right. And you're able to collect your price on how you sell the album, how we used to do CDs and shit. Right. That whole vibe is back, man. Right.

You know what I mean? But it's different packages. You can do with so many things you can put on this DFC chip. What kind of tip, NFC? Yes. On the NFC. I ain't going to pull it out on. I'm going to pull it out.

But you're probably saying this. this shit. Nah, no. So I'm putting my shit out like this, right? So that's your album? Tap it on your phone. I was going to take you to a website called...

My phone old school. No, it ain't. Okay, website, yeah. Website NFC. Oh, shit. And then, you know, you can skip the down. You don't have to download.

You can go straight to your phone. Who, tangogeo? Yeah, tango. Wow. Let me send my ass down. It was like a dating app. They ain't got me on a new tender, do y'all? Come on, I can't be on this.

Come on, I can't be on this. Come on, I was playing around. Okay, so this is how. Tango, so boom, now you got the website. All you do is tap it, tap it, and that way, you know, you sell. They want to put a graphic. And you can sell whatever the fuck you want on this. You say, wow.

You can sell anything. Right. And there ain't nobody want to tell me. Maybe like tender. Yeah. You know? Okay. And so that's what you...

And the club, you like that. Right, boom. And because, so you can keep that. Okay. Nobody else now, nobody can't duplicate it. Right. Nothing like that because that's why you sign it to the Tango application. You know what I'm saying?

So that's how I'm moving my shit. So that's a one-of-one. What you're saying? One-of-one. So that makes it like, yeah, like a unique merch thing. So, you know, and then I can, you can add. information on to it like okay you're a fan of us so you're gonna be in what city okay well we got discounts at these hotels we got you know it's it's a whole guide to your world without

having to go to your website all the time or or give it to the DSP Spotify what they're giving you zero zero zero zero zero three right but then you put it on there after you finish your pre-sale. So my pre-sails for me all right here while we're getting fucked up, nigger. Right. And then when does this album drop? I'm probably going to do it around see, when you're independent. Do it when the fuck you want. Yeah. So I'm thinking about right around July, early July 3rd is the date that I'm just going to do a 30-day blitz, make about 30,000 pieces, get them off to my fans, you know what I mean? So you mean, after 30 days you could take it off?

I could, I don't have to print no more. Then I could put it up on DSPs. I'd have made $5 million, niggins. Damn, I shouldn't have said. Don't cut that. Don't cut that. You're right now. You can't hear me.

That's real. That's real. No, I was just having fun. Right, right. So, because I got to show you my thing. Yeah. No, that's hard. So the album hard too, so you should do a review, let me know.

Yeah, I got you. And then just for the people that are, is there any features on here? Yeah, if I got the thug pound, which is me, flesh, excuse me. Me, flesh, corrupt, Eadie, I mean, rest in peace, the young noble, this nigger. We had like 15 goddamn, goddamn. songs with all of us and he go do rest in peace to his family you know what me yes it's just happened you know how like beat and um who else I got on me I just got my brothers and my family on that we got the whole bone on that good shit

dog yeah I think it's good music though I got the whole bone on that's right well I got a whole bone album coming too so on your shit on my shit I got bone, different bones on different songs. I got different bones on different songs, niggins. But I got the whole goddamn click. And I got bone coming and the movie coming and all this shit and all. And we're getting back to our consumers, man. Okay, because we talked about the direct-to-consumer, right?

I'll be. Last it off on your ass. Okay, my bad, my bad. But we talked about the director-to-consumer. We talked about the independent route or whatever. but a couple of years ago, Riza sold an album that he's kind of like... He's kind of sort of like as an art piece, right?

Like, is that something that you'll be interested in? Like, you know, selling the album of Just Yard has never been heard before and it won't ever be heard but it would sell as an art piece? Well, unless the buyer releases it. Unless the buyer releases it, but it hasn't been because apparently I've never heard these Moot-Chang records, These records never came out.

I would never give nobody anything exclusive. That power. Like that. Okay. Fuck, no. Okay. What we won't is to own that. Now, you can give us a bunch of money.

We might license that motherfucker. Right. No. But. Not exactly. Yeah, not to. Not for the, not for perpetuate. What's that more?

There is. Forever? Perpetuity. Perpetuity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wing.

yeah, we ain't giving you that shit like that. Yeah. No. But I will give them that. I haven't, those records haven't leaked. Right, but not everybody was happy with the way that that project came out. What, what do you mean? How do they know?

No, they didn't know that it was going to be used for that. Oh, I thought you said how the project came out, make meeting soundwise. I'm like, no one's heard that shit. Yeah, yeah. No, the artist. The artist themselves. Not everybody was completely happy about that.

Yeah, okay. Okay, so God comes down There's lazy You got one record And this one record Could change humanity You could get any producer And any feature

Where you're going with I think I might want A-Kon to produce that motherfucker A-A-Kon to produce A-Kon to produce A kind to produce the motherfucker He's gonna give You know you are

You're going somewhere You're going somewhere Whatever this motherfucker got Man you should have said A choice of a song A temple or something It's your timbre Whatever temple you want

All right It's gonna be Produced by Aikine We're gonna be the rappers Who's the feature And Mary J going to be The motherfucking hook And we said, we took on the whole crew, right?

Okay. And you said, who gonna be on the hook? Mary J. Black. Mary J. Blah, I can hear this record already. That's what I can hear this record. I can hear that record too. Yeah, I can hear this record. I can hear it.

It's already you. I've seen her in concert the other day with my girl and I was just like, Who Mary Jay? Yeah. Oh, you saw it in concert? The Vegas shit was, okay. She did that. That's the end playing.

That's one legend we need a song with. Mary Jay. Yeah. That's. Okay, now the same question. But this time you get to bring back a producer that's passed away. And you get to bring back a feature that's passed away. Anybody.

A feature? A feature that's passed away. And the producer has passed away. God. Damn. Well, I would probably, I don't know why I feel Marvin Gay right now. And then what's going on and producer, the producer guy, is they dead already? Yeah, they're dead.

They both dead. Yeah, he's morbid with this shit right now. It's only Marvin Gay. Marvin Gay is a singer, right? Correct. He's not producing. Yeah. He's a singer, okay.

And the producer is a producer. too, but as a producer, I need Marvin Gay for the singer, the artist. And then for the producer, I need Luther Vandross. Ooh, damn. You don't want to know that was crazy. Boy, y'all. I said Quincy for a second.

I swore Quincy. But you know Luther Vandross produced all his shit. And his shit's ill. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That shit was dope. You know, who I got to go, we might have to go

cut some records together or something on that. Who do you think is more famous in Cleveland? The Leverts or the Bones? More famous? Yeah. Because the Leverts, who you got, Gerald?

That's a whole family, man. Ain't all the first? But they y'all are family too. Yeah. Who more people? It depends on which generation you talk. Exactly. That is generational.

It's a generational. It's a generation of it. But for the last of the Mohicans, that's a whole known, the old folks, we're going to say the Leverts. The Leverts? God damn. Let's make the noise of the other. Just the whole person. Hanging on, nigger.

Oh, man. Yeah, man. By far, bone is. Yeah, yeah. I know. I know, I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. Listen, man, like I said, man, our show is about giving people their flowers, man. We wanted to give you your flowers forever, man. You know what I mean? You, your group, everything you've done for the hip-hop game, man. You know what I mean? I tip my hat off to you.

I tip my hat. You know, I want you to continue to do this. I want you continue to, you know, monkey foot this game and keep your fucking neck on them. This independent shit is very, very important because we have to support this. We have to promote this. We have to make sure this works because this is. is, we have, our music is a way out, but the way out should be through us as well. You know what I mean?

We got so many people changing other people with lives that work in these corporate companies that don't know what the fuck they're doing and it's actually setting up, you know what I mean, where you got these people like us who want to share the game. We also want to stay in our fucking lane and be like, you know what I mean? Like, if you want the game, I'm going to give it to you. You know what I'm saying? So I salute you, man. I commend you, man.

And we want to support everything you do. This is your house. Whenever you want to talk about, if you want to talk about pink toenails and motherfucking elevates, we don't care. You just come up here. This is your house. I just wanted to say shout out to my son, man.

You know, he locked up in the feds right now. I made a mistake on earth, you know what I'm saying? And they made him pay the price for it. But he locked up. I just wanted to say shout out. You never know what people going through. You know what I'm saying? Keep your head up, son.

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