Drink Champs - Episode 513 w/ Mad Skillz, Ray Daniels & DJ Epps

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

The Drink Champs Round Table brings together three influential voices in hip hop—Grammy Award winner Mad Skillz, music executive Ray Daniels, and legendary Miami DJ Epps—for a candid conversation about where the culture stands today and where it’s headed next. From the evolution of the rap game to the business behind the music, this episode pulls no punches.Mad Skillz returns to Drink Champs as a Grammy Award winner, reflecting on his career, his perspective on today’s hip hop battles, and how the competitive spirit of rap has changed over the years. Ray Daniels opens up about his past discrepancies with Wayno and Charlamagne Tha God, offering his perspective on the situations and the business decisions behind them. DJ Epps brings decades of experience to the conversation, weighing in on hip hop’s growth and digression, the rap scene in Miami and overseas, and the changing role of DJs in today’s industry.Make some noise for Mad Skillz, Ray Daniels and DJ Epps!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some noise. Now, in case you guys don't know me and EFN, if, for lack of a better term, if we wouldn't be getting paid to do this, we would still be doing this to a certain extent because we love hip hop. Like, we love, our initial relationship started, just us sitting around and just talking hip hop and chopping it up. And I realized, you know, we've been giving people their flowers so long that we haven't actually just sat down and just talked hip hop, a panel. So I called three brothers, you know, that I wanted to sit down. with us and just talk hip hop man. So without further ado I usually introduce people but I want them

to introduce themselves. So we're going to start with the DJ. Let's go. All right, right. Let's start. It's the world famous. Rock the Bell's DJ Epps, Miami Representative. God's go. It's Mad Skills Grammy Award winners.

Whatever you want to call. Hip-hop is a story. I love it. This is Ray Daniels, aka a culture referee, and I'm here to talk some shit. Let's go. Now, for me, right? Now, this is going to say I'm bouncing around all over the place. But me, for a long time, I haven't been in love of hip hop, right?

It's been a girl that I dated. Right. Like, I know she's my girl. Right. But she don't mind if I come home at night. And I don't mind if she is caught out on the town sometimes. But lately, I can't lie to you. Me and hip hop has been getting along.

Like, I like her. Now, this is a question for all three of y'all, right? The kid that you grew up loving hip hop, how much different does hip hop look now if we're comparing it to a girl? Like apples and oranges. It's not in the same thing. Like apples and oranges.

Completely different. It's like, for me, it's like the difference between watching on TV and actually being at the game. game. Like, I feel like, you know, when I watch it on TV, it felt different to me. It was like, oh, my God, I can't wait to be there. But when you're at the game, it feels totally different. It's like, oh, it's not as fun, you know? It don't feel the same way here. You got the capuchina? You know, it makes sense. I think you said it right, man, you know. Just let her go hang out for a bit, but now she's back, she's different. Right. And she's here to

stay. Right. Yeah. Because, um, like, I'm going to get right into it, right? And this is something, I know, I know you're going to get it. And you've already, I've already seen you talk about this online. And I'm definitely, I want to hear your opinion. Even the 38th smash and Jada, right? A lot of people who say that, you know, whatever, what I thought, it felt healthy. Yeah. It didn't feel disrespectful to me.

So what does your take on it? What is your take on that skills? I mean, I don't, I'm not really into, I know Jada kids. I might not be in tune with Spesion and what he's done. But I do know that just because you rap and just because you've been rapping for a while, it's certain people's names you just can't mention. And just because you won a shot at the title don't mean you deserve a shot at the title. And this ain't no, this ain't no this.

No disson. No this. But I don't think you, it's certain niggas that just can't say certain other niggas. names. Right. Period. Right. You know what I mean?

Whether you pardon, whether you rapping, whether you, whatever. You got to put your points on the board before you can even say certain people named because you're playing catch up. You already chasing ghosts. Right. You know what I'm saying? You ain't going to catch certain people because they're gone. Right. So it's, I don't know, man.

I know it's healthy. It makes sense for y'all, but I'm just like, nah. It's a hit something right. It's a heavy enough for me, dog. Hit me out, right? The other day, a good friend of my Mecca, you know Mecca, right? So I hit Mecca and I was just asking him, right? And he was like, I believe it wasn't about diverse.

I believe that it was about that they had a conversation one time and they were in a club and I believe 38 special and Jada and Jada was like, man, you know, we should do a whole EP together or something like that, right? And I was like, I got to be honest. I was like, I got to be honest. I just left Fat Joe party Everyone made everyone promises That no one's keeping

It was so normal Somebody saying Hey how you doing I've seen you a while Let's go up and get coffee That's me go one in a minute He doesn't to be all the time I didn't know that

What I'm saying is That standard industry practice When a person sees somebody Standard shit is Hey man I Hey, you know, it's being polite. It's being fake, though.

Right. It's being fake, but it's actually staring their shit. Like, I'm actually used to be alive, too. That's terrible. That is shit. That's sad. It's sad. It's awesome to be unique reality because something that Mecca told me, he was like,

and I'm Mecca if I'm quoting you wrong, but he said, special might be like 41 or in his 40s, but in hip-hop, he might be young because he might not understand that that conversation was that conversation for that night. Yes. So he felt curved. As you should, though. We get curved every day,

that don't make it cool. It doesn't make it cool. It doesn't make it cool. Okay, my thing is, if somebody, DJ, if somebody out there just started DJ and they were like, I want you, everybody here expect you to be like, let me get your little young. It was the fact that Kiss responded.

Right. And to me, I never knew what 38th was. I know him from, you made that point. He made that point. He was on the mixtape with Graff. So from that. But then when I seen him on a podcast say, you know, for me it's like, Jeter Kits is top tier and I see him say, I beat him on the record.

First thing I did was find a record. I got to hear this shit now. So for me, it's like, it's almost like the audacity he had to say I could see him. So for me as a hip-hop fan, there's only one or two things going to happen if they go at it. Either we're going to see a nigger get crushed and we're going to laugh at him. Or we're going to see a nigger get made. in front of our faces. So I wasn't mad at it, but it's like

the fact that Kish responded was like, well, damn, he must be if KISS didn't say nothing, if KISS was just laughed it off, I would have been like, oh. Right. But he, now, let me be devil's eye kid, right? Okay. Kills could easily say, I didn't even smart on him. I was just barring up.

I was just barred. He took it person. He took it that way. Because sometimes you can spin a verse day. He did not say red is red. He did not say proofs, right. You know what I'm saying? And here's the thing, as a rapper, sometimes you hear your own, you're like,

yo, he's talking to me. I thought KRS 1 was talking to me 50 times. I was talking to said skills. And he was never talking about me. Never. I'm in the house and in the mirror. Like, I got bars for Karen. I don't know who this little nigga is.

I'm talking about rappers with skills. But my thing is, what if you said that? I feel like Kerriss is talking about me. And he addressed it like, yeah, a little, I was for you. Yeah, I was like, oh, then I had a foot swap him. Like, it would have been on, like, he would have battle in the 90s. But, I, here's the thing, everything ain't for you. Right.

Just because you might think it is, it don't mean it's for you. And I mean shots, opportunities, whatever. But look at it like this. I remember, I remember when it was a point in time when you had to be with an executive, right? Like, Stout had track masters. Right, I know exactly the time. They had, they had just blazed. And it was like, who's better?

We don't have any more stouts than d. Or Errs. Or Dee. Or D. Somebody, where you could say, yo, Norie, get that nigger guy on the phone. Norrie calls this guy and they say, one minute you here. There's no more of that.

So it's like, I want mine. I'm going to call you out on the internet. If you respond, then I'm kind of in there. Yeah, right, yeah, right. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. I didn't agree with you saying that 381, but I agree with you saying that 38 is on people's radar now.

I can prove that 381. outside on the number one podcast in the world. We did not start off talking about 38 special. That nigga one. We would have never talked about it, but he didn't do that. But here's where we got to be careful, right? Here's what we got to be careful. Right?

Thank you. We all come from that 90s era, right? Where we don't comply to this rule of 24 hours to respond. We can take our time. Remember, Ether didn't come out to six months after take over. We thought not. I forgot about it. That's real.

Even our fans, even people in Queens, like, hey, man, you got something to do. So our generation is different from this 24 hours. Like, you got 24 hours there's more on apps. You know what I mean? Because 24 hours social media, that's why. That's 24. Because that's disposable. This is not a disposable artist.

And like I said, we can't definitively say that Jada actually did come back at him. We can't defend the only say. It's like sending a text message without a number attached to it. That's true. It's like, you know, Epps, I said it was Norrie. Yeah, but you don't have to really, like, so I do, but I do agree that he's on people's radar that wasn't on his radar before, and that is a plus.

If he dropped a record right now, I don't want to hear it. He got a great at six months ago. I probably wouldn't even know what. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm like, I want to hear it. That's what I mean by here. Can he drop a hit, though? Well, you know, that's a whole other conversation.

And my thing is anybody can get on their phone and post. I don't want to see no more rappers that. Don't get in the booth. Get in the fucking booth. Like, y'all be on the gram too much. Like, I'm sick. I don't, I'm sick of seeing y'all send messages back to each other. Get in the booth.

Find a instrumental. And get in the booth. Yeah. You're a rapper. I remember my son telling me about this situation. And he asked me, do I think specials nice? I'm like, he's all right. He's cool.

And then I saw him on Hot 97. Uh-huh. Concerted? Was it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I was not impressed. What, by the performance or what?

I think he did some type of little freestyle. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I was like, no. No, but that was the shock value. Let me defend him. Let me defend him. He was trying to do what traditionally rap was due. They go to your hometown.

They say something. They get a response. Usually, usually, had there been more people in the crowd, the fact that people would have been throwing soda bottles at him, that would have been a plus. Yes. That would have not been, like, like, like, Like, like, if you, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, if you would have been a little bit later on in the show, because he was the opener, the opener, the opener at 6 o'clock,

people are still sweeping, you know what I'm saying? So, like, um, that should let you know what it is. Yeah, it didn't know that, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just saw him as such. I'm like, shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

He didn't know what time it was. Yeah. No, no, it was still, he was following the edition of real rap shit. Like, that's real rap shit. We're going to come into your town. Yeah. And then, like, and it was, it was, it was, it was, it was done in the tradition. But,

It didn't land, right? It didn't land like that. But again, like, I do agree with Ray because, like, he's on everyone's radar. Like, they're talking about... Where he's from? He's from New York? He's from New York? So he ain't from New York? No, no. No. Hold on. Hey, this nigga's born in New York. He's from Queens. I'm going to ask you all straight up. Is he from New York City? We would say New York. No, we wouldn't say New York City. We won't say New York City. We would say New York. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.

I don't know. I didn't know. Because the New York niggas gonna tell you he from New York. Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. But we accept New York. We accept McKinsey. We accept. We accept New York.

Now. I don't always accept that. Brazell changed that. You don't know. Rock Kim changed that. Yes. E.P.M.D. changed that.

You know what you did. Big Marky changed it. They extended that. It took your back. It took your back. I always thought that extended it. That is true. That's the good point.

Staten Island and Wu-Tang, you got to give it to him now. I was there. They extended to the city. In 93, y'all was not getting a Wu-Tang Statenet. It's like, you knickers can Statenauer. But they are kind of now, so it takes time. And maybe when he gets there, it'll take time, but he'll get that. You got to start somewhere.

He got a good start. You got to start somewhere. For sure. And I'm so glad that, you know, like, it's not turning into, like, you know, like something super negative. I know it took the turn, or Jim Jones part of it, but hopefully it works out

because the reason why people was even paying attention to it, this was like the first time is like hip-hop and hip-hop. It was just going to be about bars. You know what I mean? It's just going to be about bars. And I like that.

And not money, not more. That's what I liked about it. That's boxing. I don't care how many fucking fights you got. You can be 50 and O. I can get my one win against you. So I like it. Jay to kiss 50 and O.

Yeah. You're talking about a person from a group that is an iconic group. The niggas never had a whack bar, and he's still on top of his game. So going up against Jada kiss ain't no easy feet, I don't care who you are. It don't matter who you are. Y'all saw what happened in versus. Yeah, dipset definitely took him lightly. Put him under the rug with one verse.

Like, he's super serious when it comes to ball, so he ain't no pushover. At all. And it's crazy because, like, as an OG, right? Like, there's people that come after us. And it's like, do you ever get a time to chill? It's like, I hear you talking about, you and Charlotte-Main, like, I told him, who's the closest thing to J? Because everyone says J is the thing.

I, you know, disagree to a certain extent. But I hear that. But, like, there's ever a time where you have that spot and do you ever get a time to chill? because it's like, it's like, it's like, all right, cool. You see Jada kid, Jay to kill. He's comfortable. He's smiling more than he'd ever smiled than now.

His clothes is fitting tighter. You know what I'm saying? He's in shape, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And then he has to deal with this. You see Cam, Cam is so, like, you know, in a different atmosphere. But every now and then you see people like try to, you know,

Paul Camer. You even see Al B, like, who was a person I like, and I like them both, and I see a numb. Like, do you ever, like, do you ever retire with your shield? I think Jay-Z. Or you got to give up your shield the minute you were- -d-I- think Jay-Z is retiring with his shield. Okay.

I don't think his shield is ever in trouble. Nobody can touch him. I don't care if he goes at it with Drake and Drake eats him up for two years straight. Jay-Z is still the number one rapper of all time, in my opinion. All right. You ask any rapper in the world if you could trade careers with anybody, who would it be? Right. It's always going to be whole.

Okay. Right. Like, look at his career. But then I also... And the nigga just dope. Right. He's still dope. But if someone, as much as you say that, when we're, um, digging up his accolades,

someone gives him, bars him up right now. You respect him to go back at a... Yep. No. But here's the thing, no. If the person matters. No, no, no, no. If it matters.

If it matters to him. Okay. Because you got to understand from what he went through, he only speaks when he rapping. He don't go on. pause. He just did interviews for the first time. I'm not about to sit down and talk about none of this shit. But I'm going to get y'all niggins some bars and let y'all know I'm going to answer you in the way I've been answering niggins for years.

So I still know you there. I'm going to tap you real light and I'm simple. And then they take it and run with it. Oh my God. Jay Z said my name last night. It's like, get in the booth. Don't nobody want to get the boot no more. They want to sit in.

And that's cool. But I'm like, make your mind up. You can't, he never said nothing about none of y'all for years. Then the one time he's saying, oh, man, Jay-Z's picking on people. Y'all been talking about this nigga for four years. But you got to understand something. When you were at the top, if you're at the king at the castle, they're going to always talk about you. That's my point.

That's my point. You can't avoid that. But I don't want nobody talking about me to cool life I changed. Right. I don't want nobody talking about me that I made a millionaire. Yeah, right. I made you a millionaire. You still talking about me?

Right. of all people Right, right, right Nah, hell no You gonna get it the worst Right You gonna get it the worst Your kids in private school

Cause of me And we're talking about me Hell, I love you You out your mind I mean, that was a big highlight Of a Jay coming out Was him bringing out

State property too I remember Our state property Excuse me, state property I remember because Bleak was sworn The Secrecy, right? So, you know,

we were fucking with Bleak because we knew we knew we're overspice and we're like, we just fucking with Bleak all the time like, who he'd bring it out? And then at the very last end, he was like, yo, he was bringing out state property. And I was like, that's, it's crazy

because that does so much good for beans and freeway and PD crack. It does so much good for them. But you know what else it does good for? It does good for Hove, man. Really good. It does good for him. He needs to fill that as well.

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? I saw that. And I'm looking and I'm like, it reminds him. of the beginning because where you at in life sometimes, and especially where he's, I can't even fathom where he's at in life, you know what I'm saying? Like, I sat in a bar with him one time and he was like, he made

the lady pick out the peanuts. Like, I never saw that. He was like, I don't like these kind of peanuts. Can you like just make sure I got these? And I was like, I swear to God. Sonny people right there. I'm just saying, like, and that's normal. That's normal.

Like, you got to, you got to resist that. I'm not. I'm not. later. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just trying to make a point. So the fact is that he can go back and say, you know what, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going going to do this in Philly. Yeah. Roots picking it. And then, and then, he barred up Crest Love. Yes. But there's a thing. Yes. I don't even know why I was going to fuck with him. The fact that he didn't, the fact that Amir had not heard that, because he never did the verse

in rehearsal. So the fact that you're hearing it for the first time in front of 80,000, that reaction is going to be real. Like, yo, I don't even know why I'm still talking about it. Like, you know, but it was true, though. I didn't know Jack Wajum. I didn't know that either. You know what I'm hilarious, man. I remember hitting him like, yo, that was a bar.

You earned that one because you did. And it was all in fun, but it was just a dope bar. But it was a reminder. It's like this bitch been driving me crazy. Hey, you don't get no more introes over here, class. Don't introduce me to Averyby. No one. Because 20 years ago

back to, yo, these people whose lives are changed. Right. Your life is to just talk shit about me. Right. And make up stories about me. Right. Like, after a while, like, no, I'm, I can't, I can't bop you in the mouth. So I'm going to sue you.

Get you out of here. Right. Cut your phone off. So right now, I want to ask all three of y'all. If we had to clarify, The king overall of hip hop It goes to Jay-Z Without a doubt

I don't even think that I don't even think Nobody can argue with that He rap with Biggie And he rap with Drake And he's still rapping With all the young boys You can't

You can't take that from This is their opinion I got to mind my business This is a little bit Who's somebody say I mean like Who would be close to him He said nah

I would say nah I would say nod Nause is second to me He would be close to him Because Naz has the catalog He has a skill He's still sharp He still look the same way

You know, that's another thing. How you look today is important. If you look crazy, all right. And that's what really takes them over the top. So we agree it right now, everyone, all three of y'all saying, JZ, not. Yeah. Now, who's that number three? Just an MC?

Yeah, yeah, when you start talking, you can put Dre up in there. I'm going to be honest with you, man. Y'all don't want to, I think Drake should be right there. I think, I'm, listen. I know people don't want to get him his problem, but you got. Get a half. The cabuccino. Go ahead.

Okay, so go ahead, Epps. Business-wise, monies-wise, bars, yes. Who, Drake? Okay, now, you said Drake, too? No. Who are you saying to number three? It is great. What is in my top five?

I mean, just who's running the game right now? What are in the game right now? Yeah, yeah. Not the new generation. I would put it in like five. Who would you put above them? Kendrick. Kendrick.

So, okay, let me say this. Okay, let me say this, because I feel like I might be the youngest person at the table from the generation, and that's rare, but let me say this. The generation before me, I got to be honest with y'all. Y'all niggas were some haters, bro. Like, no, fuck for it. Hold on you, let me tell you. Hip-pop's biggest problem is that none of the OGs handed the fucking baton to nobody. Oh, I'm saying it all the time, so it's like, we don't, we're the only people that's like, my, my nigga can't.

Dog, Drake is great, bro. And he's sold more records. He's done more. He's accomplished more and more time. and most of them. It's like, you could say it's from Canada, you can say make pop music, whatever you want to say,

but that nigga is number three on the list. He has more influence. Like, put like this. We all got businesses here. What motherfucker would you rather come to your party? Who would you rather come sit on this kid? Who would you rather? Drake.

Yeah. Nigger, we behave because it's like, because he's young. We just can't get a young nigga pop. We got to start giving a young nigga's pop, we want hip hop to laugh. Because I think hip hop is, I think hip hop is dying with us.

You think it's dying with us? I think we all, I think, our kids don't They're not connected to hip hop They listen to rap music But they don't look at it like the lifestyle And it's gonna save me

If you can't live it Hipop is dead in that sense That's my point They make it rap music And calling it a day We're in a dangerous time right now We better let the young niggas in You know who I think

I mean I think they've been kicking the door down In their own terms Yeah We're not too much We're going to have a whole discussion About the young ones But you know who I think That we skipping over

And I got to see this So many different times and he has accused people. He has accused people. He's saying, yo, you're just really like known in America. You're not really known outside. I got to see this man perform numerous times outside of America.

50 cent ain't nothing to be played with, bro. I'm just being honest, bro. I've seen him. That's why I was careful. Because I know everybody's going to say Queens. But this is not a Queens thing. This is a global international. But if you're going to go by that criteria, you've got to add

Eminem to that as well. Got to add Eminent. And you got to Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't be in a conversation. Why not? Eminem can't be in a conversation. Eminem can't be in a conversation. Why not?

Because Eminem doesn't play by the same rules that everybody else that does, hip-hop does. Norrie had to make a club record to be a star. Jay had to make a club record. X. Everybody got to make a club record. A girl record. It's a whole checklist of shit you got to be the number one rapper hip-hop.

Eminem made a record ditching his mom and sold more records than anybody. That's not because he's white. That's not the only way. That's not the way he got. If you said if he's a nice rapper, Eminem is top five rappers of all time. But I don't put him in a hip hop because I think it's unfair. You literally and Mick Jagalane competing against niggas that's rapping. Like, it's just not fair.

But Ray, the white boy can rap. I didn't say he couldn't rap. I'm saying, like, you can say. Any paid his dude before. You can say whatever you want to say about the white boy. Yes, he was white. Yes, he got the TRL quicker. Yes, he got to Dr. Drake quicker.

He got the endorsement. quicker. But at any given time, if you was from hip hop, at any given time on any given record, you heard that white boy and went, damn, he killed that shit. Always. Because he did.

You can't say he was a white, he was not vanilla ice. I didn't say he was a white rapper. I just said he can't be on a hip-hop list to me because he did not play by the rules that everybody has to play by. You listen, Val. I can't respect your list. Get Bell, Pure Fiber Internet with Crave

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Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. You're list invalid. He on the list. I'm not saying these. I'm just saying how do you consider him Eminem? Did y'all hear his verse on lean back?

No disrespect. He didn't kill it. It was like he was rapping like to, he was like, fucking. Nobody killed it. No, no, no. Drake 3,000. Yeah, Drake killed him. He rode the beat.

I'm saying, I don't even remember Andre 3000. Lean back fat joke. Yeah. Andre 3,000 was on that break? Was he on that? Wait, no, no. I'm thinking of another record. No, no, I'm thinking about walking out.

I'm thinking about walking out. Let's just be clear. $100,000 was not on lean back. No, no, no. But anybody killed, though. But anybody killed, though. Anyone. Eminem did.

Anyway. He opened it up. I'm going to say this. I don't agree with you on Eminem for it. I'm going to say this. Y'all are both on the side. You are technical. You right.

You, you, I get y'all while y'all see it. I'm saying from my perspective, you can't get credit for Eminem. His first record was hi, my name is Name one nigga that can make that they first single Sailing a million records first week He was white and I'm not taking that from him Snoom Snoom could have did how my name is

Snoom first record was What's my motherfucking name? He did the same thing Which one is more hip hop? What's my motherfucking name? Or hi, my name is I mean, I'm definitely gonna go with Snoo Come on and it wasn't hip hop, bro.

It's okay, he's fired him. If you were paying attention, you heard that record from Emming You were like, that's not his best record for us for hip hop heads. But we understood what it did and what it was going to do. Eminem is a great rapper.

I just hate, I just feel like, I just feel like it's unfair. No, no, no, no, that's not why. You hate he white. No, no, no. And he did hip-up. I don't hate him right. I just hate that we compare people

like Jada Kis to him and Jada Kis had to play by way different rules than he did. So for me, it's unfair. It's like, I'm an executive, bro. I sit in the room when it's time to make the music, and it's like Eminem just, he can always be in that room over here.

You ain't never heard nobody say. I had that, before Eminem got it. It's like he doesn't play in the same league as us. And don't get me wrong. And the thing I like the most about him is he loves us and he represents us and he calls himself one of us. But inside, it's hard to compare him to a nigger that got to actually go make

what these bishops want from a nigger. Because you know Leo and Kevin told him you, you had an artist. You know, they told you he need to make a motherfucking record. I got to give him, he didn't have to make the records that everybody else had to do. So why are we comparing him everybody else? That's my only thing. I get you. I get you that.

Yeah, I understand. I understand. But it doesn't take away the fact that he's nice and it doesn't take the race as fuck. Hell no. As fuck. Look at Epps here right now. He's looking like Eminemann's right now. He's a hinting at him.

It's right now. Still in 2026. His name is. That number three spot with Drake, that will be Eminem for you. Yeah, probably. You know why I say 50 is because, you know, I'm very entertained about 50. And when I heard him, like, he's like, yo, a lot of these dudes are just big in America. And I took that into consideration because I'm like, I, at one point in my career, I couldn't get shows in America, right?

So all I had to do was go to Europe. But you don't want to be in Europe when you want to be at club speed. You don't want to be in Europe when you want to be at club lead. You don't want to be in Europe when you want to be at club live. You don't want to be in Europe when you want to be in Europe. be a DC live. You know what I'm saying? Even though I'm making probably double,

but I don't want to be there. You know what I'm saying? I want to be home. I want to be home. But what I would do is I would like be out there and I would see other American artists. I would see, what's my name? You want to front?

Jay Roo. Jay Rue. Where J.R. He lives out there now. We're DJ in tonight. I'll go see the day. Yeah. And then they were like,

yo, 50 is here. And I would go. Sometimes I would hit them. I would hit the G. And be like, yo. And sometimes I would just sneak in the joint. And I would just be like, yo, it's international appeal. So that's why when y'all say Eminem, he probably got that audience through Eminem or obtained that audience through Eminem.

But he had to know. He had a machine. Because there was no Eminem in sight. He maintained the machine. Like every row I bid, it was sold out. It was like a summer jam, but for him. Yeah. Just to see him.

50 about his business, too. He knows what he's doing. Now, he knows what he's doing. Yeah. I'm not even speaking about the business. I'm speaking about the audience. He needs that business to go out there and do those tours that he's doing out there. That in the club went a long way.

Yeah. They went a long... Yeah, we'll never have another in the club. Hell, no, that shit went a long way. We'll never have another. Sometimes they say all you need is one. Yeah. And that one went a long way.

I'm sorry to bounce around, but I'm going to ask you out. Me being said that, right? Me, what I just said, I don't believe there should be any broke rappers. There should not be no broke rappers? Listen, let me just... You want me to bring it down. I want to you to say that. I need your elaborate.

I want to say, what the fuck do you mean? Okay. There's always a place for you to be the man. The problem is what I just said. I wanted to be in America when I was the man in Europe. Right. Right? So I was getting probably double triple my pay.

But I wanted to be where Ferrell is performing in fucking Virginia Beach. Yes. You don't want to hoop overseas. Yeah. Yeah. Go to hoop overseas. Yeah. I wouldn't even be in the G League.

Instead of being in the China. I want to play ball in Siberia. Not him, it's Kim. You know what? Like, you know what? Like, so, why are you just Jake Cole like that, man? Yeah. Wait, what?

Wait, what? What you said? Because Jay Cole went and played over there. You played in China? Yeah. I already got that. I heard they buzzed that there. I heard they buzzed that.

Yeah. And they buffed that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hake me and if they want, let's run. I ended up going through the hole.

Go ahead, Jago. So, yeah. So a lot of times they don't cater to the audience because, like I said, like, and you're, but. Europe don't cater to the audience? No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying we won't, like our artists because we are stopping. We want to be popping where it's popping at and not making a living. Yeah.

Most people can't do that. Yeah. Like, you know, I remember Capone of Noriega, we went on our first tour when Capone came home. you know we had to learn how to really do a hip-hop show because we were just doing an hour and just leaving they were like no no no no no no we never saw you before homie y'all giving us two hours on stage the album cuts they wanted the album cuts they wanted to perform

because I wanted to cater to the fans the fans was there at 6 o'clock I was like yo what time does the door open they said at 9 o'clock I said why the fuck are they lined up at 6 o'clock and said no it's your first time here in Belgium yeah it's your first time here bruscles yeah it's your first time here my dreams. This is your first time here, do you do,

dog. Let's go. Let's your first time here in Holland. Let's go. This is your first time here. Worshaw. These guys

shaved down in Warsaw, Poland. They shaved down and I said, why are they shaved? They look like skinheads. They said,

no, they're trying to mimic your cut. I said they just, they can bless you. Is it wrong for this connection? But I'm going to go out there and I'm going to give this show.

What I'm trying to say? People can't do that. 50 is a fucking international artist, bro. I got to see that shit with my own. They will stand there Doors open at six, they're there

559 Doing graffiti With break dance They got caught for you Because you're from the States And you make real hip hop to them The artists and the acts That we wouldn't even blink an eye

At you can go over there and get money Right You like you can I've seen it And you run in the motherfuck I'm like oh shit what the fuck What the fuck the fucking girls But also think of the Westin doing it

Yeah But also think about how. Fucking fuck shot shorty you were in. You're like, yeah, I'm here for like three months. But you got to think about the effect

that hip hop has on us locally. Like, nigga, it's still, niggas, like I still can't believe that Norrie knows my name. You know what I'm like?

That's the impact you had on America. And I still expect to see, I'm still shocked when I see you. Like, oh shit. You talk about Belgium? What are the fucking eyes I will ever get in the same?

You're like an alien to them. Like, nigga I got to show up and motherfuckettett show out because I might have ever see you again. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you something, and I think you spread it on it.

It's fucked up. At one point, I felt like hip hop only lived in Europe. Mm-hmm. Like, at one point, at one point, I was like, I was going to Amsterdam and perform and feeling like more Harlem. You know, Harlem is the new Amsterdam. I was feeling like that was more Harlem than Harlem was in. Early 2000.

Yeah, that period, like, where hip hop really was, like, where comment said, like, She really went commercial. Let's compare her to a girl. She was really, like, at Club Live with no panties on. But real talk. And a short miniskirt. And she was up for the grass. Yeah.

And watch, yeah, yeah, she was up for grabs. Yeah. I mean, she was up for grabs. I was dating her sister in Europe with glasses on. And a bun, a library bun. Yeah, she was nice. She was nice. Yeah.

2000. Us DJs really had. to also teach them about Capone and Noriega. Right. About Rick Ross. They wasn't even up on trap music like that. They were still on Ying Yang twins and stuff like that. So we had to go over there and teach them that.

You know, I remember going over there and just teaching them pit bull, Kulo, flow rider. Oh, yeah, yeah. Rick Ross, they didn't even understand Rick Ross yet. Now they just love the man. You know what I mean? So 50 at that time, forget about it. In 2002? Yeah.

Yeah. 50 at that time was. a monster. Even right now, I just saw Pitbull, Laz, and... Pitches did a World Tour. He's always a little tour. It's the worldwide for real. Oh, my God. He didn't...

On Latino chaps, I found out that Pitbull did Kulo over Pulo. Yeah, you didn't know that. Mr. Vegas joint. I'm sorry, man. I'm not Jamaica. You know what you're in? I go to the other side of the park, man. I don't want to say this for Pippbo, but he was mastering, remixing everything like how

50 would do with Gently. No, DJ Lab was killing that. 50, he mastered that. Like doing the duck plates for hip hop. And by the way, we gotta get some props to Pitbull. Pitbull was out here trying to be hat on, trying to be like cool. When he realized I'm who I am, he started dressing like Scarface. Yeah.

Remixing fucking old pop records and added his little eight bar, two eight bar verses with a hook. And he started making more money than everybody. And that's what it's about. He wanted my opinion. So I always tell people he dressed like the character you expect him to be. Not the character he wanted to be. We knew he wanted to be when he had a hat. He was wearing his hat like Tia and shit.

We know what you wanted to be, but that's not what we saw. Once you gave us what we saw, he become the biggest artist in the work. It's not just that. And he probably attested this. Pitt's attitude with people is what helped him a lot. For sure. He's a great people person. He's just showed him this drink.

Yeah, yeah. This is when we were in Rackett and he showed up the drink chairs by himself. We were like, yo, buddy, we don't improve it. Like, like, he was just sitting there walking around, like, he was no security. Like, I want to back me become your security to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I almost hate that. Like, like, he's really like that.

Yeah, no, he's really like that. And don't you got pits? Oh, yeah, this is vodka. I'm not going to lie to you. That shit fucked me up the other day. I told you. Oh, wow. Did he tell you, we, me and Ike, we were sitting there, and we are at Billy's,

and then we left Billy's. I go in the crib, and that's the only thing. That's the only thing we got. And man, that is, that's real. That is real. Riggedalia. You know this. Rigidalea.

Moving on. Now, is French Montana running at least for New York? Is he the king of New York right now? King of New York? Yes. Right from right now, not comparing him to Jay and Nas and things like that. Outside looking in up top, I think he could. Yeah.

Yeah. I will measure it by. If this person stopped their car in the middle of the street, wherever they are in New York, it's going to cause havoc. I don't know if, I think the King of New York is actually a girl. It's Cardi. I don't think there's nowhere she can go right now in New York. She's selling more records.

She got more eyeballs. And it's because she's a woman. We don't want to give the King title. But like, I feel like French is the King because he also is making the run with Max right now. And he's making Max relevant as well. That's my point. It's like you actually doing what we want the streets to do.

You took your man from. jail and you put them on. You are king for that alone. But I think the undisputed king of hip hop in New York to me I think it's Cardi B. I won't argue with that. I won't argue with you at all I believe that. I didn't look at it as that way. The last two kings in New York been women.

It was Nicky before Cardi. Mickey? Okay, wow. It ain't been a king in New York since 50. Yeah, I agree. That's 2002. Y'all ain't had a king. The last two king Kings from New York been women. Was Pop Smoke on his way?

He was on his way. He was on his way. He was definitely on his way. God bless the day. He didn't make it there. He didn't get enough time. Cardi is, I would say Cardi. I agree with Ray on that one.

Okay. But you do agree, French is the hottest right now. Fuck. Yeah, yeah. But I always thought French superpower was his brilliance. Like, he was smart. Like, every artist has a different superpower, right? And for me, French was always the smart one.

He was the one that knew what he was in the room for, knew what he was there. to get everybody else trying to be homies nick i need a hit yo swelie give me that shit he always played the role he needed to play so i always love french for that but i think cardie yeah french is right under him and i would put him and max together you like the ride he's taken with some of these old school records yeah yeah i love it i think it's necessary yeah and um i i'll you know what i thought um um um um how you know you know you say how smart french was but i wanted to i want to also i point out the fact that how smart max is as well max throughout a

tape that didn't get no traction. He could have easily doubled down on that. You know, most artists would be like, man, you know, I dropped it at 8 a.m. It should have been, I should have dropped it at 11.30. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're braving on anything. But he kind of like took heed and was like, you know what?

Maybe the crowd is not used to me and they're not used to hearing me by myself right now. They're used to hearing French. And French, like bringing me in with him is the easier route. And he listened. Most people don't listen. Like we had Sean the other day. And I could tell. child didn't listen.

Not everybody does. Yeah, he basically admitted. It was like, ah, I wasn't ready. I shouldn't have went in the studio. I shouldn't like, and I was like, I was like, motherfucker, we should have heard that shit did because we were critiquing your voice. Like, you know what I mean?

Like when he first came home, he admitted it. And, you know, I hung out with him the next day too as well. But I liked the fact that Max actually paid attention. He actually didn't let her ego jump in the way. He was like, you know what? And they sounding good. They keep going. and I can't lie to you

I was in New York There's nothing like hearing New York music in New York on a New York radio station And I enjoyed I thoroughly enjoyed Riding through the city Turn it on Power 105

105 And here New York artists About 115 Yeah It's a minute It's a lot It's not like

And Hot 97 I know y'all Yeah's still at odds Or whatever But y'all being at odds And y'all pointing out these lists And all this shit

With enough and Camillo and all that. This shit is making the city a better fucking place. I'm not going to lie. Y'all drummer and y'all turn for you and tell me the fucking city. Because we are proud, Bill. The next two. The next two.

The next half doesn't bring all morale back. I mean, I'm going to be honest now. I'm a New Yorker. We got a little too much morale. Even the police is running around cock. He's like, yo, hold on me. Nick's a five. Like, shit, nigga, it receives is over.

Chill out, Ron. The officer Robles. This is crazy. Like, we all got... What is happening, and French has... They have rolled out of... I'm loving here in the city. I'm loving hearing that.

Like, I'm loving hearing... As a New Yorker, you should. You should be proud. They did what they were supposed to do. You know, some people get out of jail and be like, y'all think I'm supposed to go back the same niggas. Fuck that. Nick, I'm gonna go do...

They did what we wanted. Sometimes you give the audience the ending that they're looking for. Right. We wanted to see Max get out. We wanted to see French look out for them. We wanted to see them go, do exactly what they're doing, and they gave it to us. So you followed the script. They won.

That's what I was about to say. Like, I like how hip hop supports somebody that's about to come out of jail. Whether it was Busy, whether it was Gucci, whether it's Max, Pock. Like, once they got out, it was on him. You got six months, too, once you get out. Say it again? Yeah, you got six months. Six months.

Yeah. I was about to say, and we can just start. And we could just start celebrating the kids that graduate college. Yeah. And we'll be out of here. Let's go break this spot on college. So we bought that out. We know we got something to say.

He got a point in here. Nah, no, that's true, but they give you six months, though. It's like, you know, you know what, you know what being a rapist? Come home from jail. It's like being a restaurant in Miami. The first week that you're a restaurant in Miami, you're going to be hot. Bad buddy going to come to your shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, oh. Richie and Yondell, Vobscartel. You try, man. That's all right. It's the same as that thing. So it's pretty hard. So when a person does survive, like I said, we had Sean. And, Sean, you know, he has a great album dropping.

He has a drink with Dr. Dre, Dr. Swayz. He has a major label album. My only concern is you made a major label album in an independent world. Yeah. And never works. I don't think so. If I'm being honest with you, I wish, Sean, you don't know me, but one piece of, if you got that many features,

make every feature a moment for a month and a half. Mm-hmm. Like, don't just throw out 10 songs with 10 features, and the audience, we like to be shocked. We want to be surprised still. Like, throw out one record with the Dre record. Give every record a moment. We don't need, you know, you right.

We got 300,000 songs uploaded since we started this interview. Right, right. We don't need more music. We need intentional shit. We need intentional moments, exactly. And now, it makes sense. Yeah. I'm looking forward to hearing it.

No, no, it's dope. My only problem is, like I said, it feels like a major label release, and there's no major labels around. Like, even a major label is like, you know, you know, that's the, I had a meeting with Leo Coles, right? You know, I always admire Leo Colons. Leo Combs have done right by me, so I don't cater to what people say about other people. And Leior said to me, No, Ari, it's the best time to get in the music industry.

And I'm like, how is that? The shit is so the supposed to be. This was a while ago when he told you It was like two years back now I think things change in a little bit more I believe he's still here I believe he still works out of the label And he's saying like this

He's saying you don't have to pay for coverage no more You don't have to pay for artwork You don't have to pay for pressing You don't have to pay for like Yeah There's no overhitting it It's all just hitting the button And he's like

So you can throw out a flop There's not a flop And I'm like I'm like I agree to that point You know what do you feel about that? No no it makes sense It helps us, but it also hurts us. You know what I'm saying?

Because I can drop something and... It's oversaturated. It's oversaturated. I can put something out the same day. The Beyonce put a song. The math is, the good part is that I know people on their phones that day. They listen to music that day. You know what I'm saying?

But I could get lost in the sauce. Yeah, but I'll say this. If you are great, you don't have to worry about getting lost in the sauce. Like, I feel like, like, I like to look at this. Like, it's these Red Bull things that they do where they might have. like 200 runners run two miles, then they'll have one professional runner. And the professional runner starts,

like a minute after everybody else that he just catches everybody. In my opinion, this music is still built on greatness. If you were still great, and you're making great records, yeah, 100,000 got uploaded, but 97,000 of them have terrible mixes where you can't hear it anyway.

So it's like me. When I left my last job, I was like, send me back to Gen Pop. Send me back to Jen Pop. I know what to do. I know how to, I know the tricks of the trade, to cut through to get my,

myself to go a little bit faster. So it's like, I think it's easier now than it ever was because you don't have to ask for permission. You just got to be dope. And that's what we have in problems at. Because the real issue with the music is, is that there are no more producers to run into and songwriters that run into. Like, skills, who did you start with?

Shit. Was you with like Virginia, Missian? I started before them. He was on his own. He was the first of us of me of Virginia. But my point is that when I heard of him. I started with a mad skin. But what I'm saying is that.

When I think of mass skills, I think of mass skills coming out of the Missy and Timmerlin camp. Right, right. A producer. Right. Somebody who's taught you how to make high quality records. Right. I think what's happening now is that there are no more producers. Like, you had to find Farrell.

I just was talking to them about you this week and I was with him. You had to find the Farrell. You was looking for the sound. Give me something that Norrieh never did. And then you make the record and now it's like, we're out of here. It's like, we don't have no more of that. So that's why I'm not worried about music. everything that's submitted is everything that's uploaded is low quality.

98% of it is low quality. It's like if you could just be in the top two, you'll cut through. And you also got to remember you got to promote. Yeah. But a younger generation. You know what the crazy shit is you are 1 million percent. But hold up. The other thing about cutting through this terrible right now is you don't know if it's AI or a real person.

Right. I was true to say that. And we've seen now all this crazy shit going on where it's proven that there's bots. They got a video with me at AI. I had a second guess, second guess, my stuff. Like, yeah, body in the truck. There's one dude hit it so good. I was like, wait a minute, Paul. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Did we ever do this? He's like, for real. He's like, oh, I'm not talking about that kind of thing. Okay, I'm about creating AI artists, uploading the audio to Spotify. And they live in with the real people. And they got bots pumping it and it's hit in the board charts. So let me say what happened.

I'm in my house the other day Sunday. I hear a gospel record. I've never heard it sounded incredible. I'm like, who is this? You know, like, oh, I'm like, I got a doubt. And as soon I heard it was AI, I checked out. I can't. They got gospel AI too?

Oh, no, bro. Everything. That's what you. I didn't went to church? Bro, my brother is at church right now. But let me ask. We all do music. We all do music. We all have been around music.

Has anybody at this table used AI in anything that you've done? Not music for AI. Because hazardous sounds. He got me, he embarrassed the shit out of me. I wanted to do a country record, so I've done it, but then he did the AI. And I didn't know you could just tell AI. I played with Dr. Dre. He stopped it for me in 2.5 seconds.

He's like, AI. He was like, I had nothing. I was like, no, no. He was trying something. You know what? He's like, you come to me for that type of shit. But you use it as a tool for what? I use it as a tool to sing my references.

Right. That's what we're doing. Now I don't... To put it out. You know, my home girl who used to come to the studio and sing my song, she's like, yeah, I'm going to be there. I can come tomorrow morning, and I'm like, yeah, nah, I'm going to do this tonight. So I'm going to have somebody sing the words that I wrote and make it sound good. You mean to tell me I can pay $98 a year and I don't got to wait for somebody come and sing these songs? I can't sing R&D either. So I just use it as a tool as a voice, but I wrote the words.

I'm going to give you some game on how to use AI. how you can use it. Upload a song you wrote, right? And then say if you wrote a song for Usher, right? Upload the same song and say, give me this song as if it was for Beyonce. And they'll give you a different beat, same exact lyrics, everything. Cadence, everything.

But now it's a woman's voice on a beat. Or you can take the same song and say, make it a country song for a male. Make it a female country song. I get it for that perspective, you know, because that's the easiest way to be creative. I think it's going to be here. That's the way of it as a tool.

If I play y'all demos, if I play y'all demo, I can play y'am down demo. It sounds terrible. I can play you any doubt. For me, I don't think you need that, but you're already established. I always tell new people, don't use AI. Let me hear the rawness of it. Because if I can hear the rawness of it, I'm going to want to add myself to it. If I hear perfect, I don't want to sing like that.

The worst thing that you can do. You see the word tiger? He's saying he's taking it back. He said that he wrote one of the I think he made that album to be bad. I listened to that album. That's bad. Wait,

wait, I think he made it to be. I think he was like, I'm going to make a horrible album. I think he did, you know you got to listen to it, bro. No, you got,

I promise you. Seriously. I promise you. I think he made it. I think he made it to be bad. And he fooling all of us. Because he on TMZ talking about his album.

Uh, because that's all the way. What are he talking about? He only used it tight. The respect to him. He said he only used it for certain points. He was like, all the lyrics I wrote. No, but he didn't say that at first.

He was like, a guitar solo. Okay, yeah, that's AI. The core change in the second verse, that was AI. But I wrote everything. We put through this. Yeah, he said that after the album. Yeah, but it's still bad. He was Richard for that Rubber's record.

He was trying to do what that Rubber's record did. I think so. I think so. That's the AI, all that song. Yeah, yeah. That's my shit, by the way. That's kind of hard. I didn't know.

It's not, I like, I don't mind AI. I just don't want to listen to a machine. Like, I don't ever want a machine to know me that well or a machine to figure out. I rather, like, I don't mind that record because I see the person. It's like, y'all just put an effect on my voice. T. Payne did the same fucking thing.

We didn't care about that. Like, a lot of people do that to their voice. That's why I didn't mind it because it was a personality behind it. Or let us know it's AI. Yeah. It's inevitable. We hate this is an AIC.

Yeah. We hated it came out. Yeah. But like I said, the minute, the minute I played two seconds of it, Dr. Dre knew it was AI. So like, there's a second. Yeah, yeah. Just like you're trying to do. You see these graphics.

You know, please people. It's not using these. I know you used the fine. Come on, dog. You can do you. See, I'm the opposite of you guys. Like, you see how you guys can spot AI? I can't.

Oh, man. Yeah, I'm the opposite. I can. You can see it, man. Norrie, that's like, that's like seeing an iPhone and a Samsung. For weeks, I was promoting Anita Baker saying, but you ain't getting high. You didn't know.

You didn't know. I know. I thought Guerrilla. No, I did. That shit out. I was just saying like, yo, Gorilla, Anita Baker. De Nita Baker said that shit back in the day. They showed me footage of Anita Baker.

You're ain't you going to me. And then I was like, oh, shit. This is so dope. And I actually came on the podcast and I promoted that shit. Wow. Let me tell you something. I hired that. All my comments said, is somebody going to tell him?

Yes. Who's going to tell him? The last assistant I hired was an AI assistant. I didn't know he was an AI assistant. Oh, come on now. No, no. He was a real human, my nigga. No, he was a real human, my nigga.

It was just, it took me. You know how like somebody worked for you? First of all, this nigga met me at Lennox mall and gave me 100 page book of my life. of your life nigger, pictures of me that I'm like where the fuck did you get these pictures

of me at? Was it creepy enough? No, it was to me it showed me that you put a lot to effort in a little. Oh, no.

And what's the I come out to? Let's get a word for me and he was a shit that first two or three weeks I was running and I was asking to do shit and he would be like

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I think like he was just, all he was doing was using AI. I was paying that nigga fucking. But he was like, and he got to the point where I had to tell him. I'm like, yo, bro, no disrespect, but like, can you do, I got chat, GBT too. Don't show me you can do, I can do something that you're doing for me, niggins. Screw that outside.

Go outside and say, hey, don't forget to remind me and give me a hundred pay. You don't do that shit. But once I figured out to let his ass go, it's like he didn't even know nothing about the music music. It would have been ill if he would have worked remote after you met him. Yes. And really, you were dealing with AI. He just was like, I built myself as a vibe.

That would have been gayst, actually. That would have been gay. Got to respect the hustle. Got to respect the hustle. This is 2006. Let's rewind it to early 96. Mm. Buff Daddy's on top of the game.

On fire. I believe Biggie dropped in 90. No, he dropped 97. 997. Okay, so this is up to him drop it. Yep. Do you think 20 years? Because that's 20 years, right, 96 to 2026?

That's 30 years? 30 years. That we'll be sitting down on a panel that we're sitting down right now. And we'll be saying, talking about Diddy and Jail. And Big Dead. That's crazy. No. No.

The power of the tongue, man. And sometimes you got to watch. Sometimes you got to watch. When I think about death row records and bad boy, when you just say that, bad boy. And shit is locked up too. And you look at where it ended up. Like, yo, name your shit something else. No, yeah, yeah.

Like name like the power of the tongue, man. But I feel like we got to give him a little bit of, like we got to give him a little bit of grace. Puff was doing shit. He's in jail for doing shit that niggas was doing every day of the week. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's my point. It's like, that's why I'm surprised he's in jail because it's like, they locked my...

Hold on, remember what you were saying? You know what's crazy? When Clive Davis passed away, right? Rest and peace of Clive Davis. I was in the Mafia Coast, right? So I just, you know, I was bored, like, you know, like you're on vacation, but part of that vacation is you're sitting around.

So I just went and I looked at everything. Everything that Pupp was accused for, Clive Davis was accused for, and it never actually came to, like, Everything that Puff was accused for, Epstein, has not only been accused for, but they had files of it. Yes. And none of these people are arrested, not just him. Obviously, they said he passed away, quote, unquote.

Yeah. But his affiliates and the people who was his partisan and associates, they have not been brought down at all. Yeah, I never thought we would see a day where Puff would be locked in jail right now. That's crazy. That's crazy. He's sitting in jail right now. Can't do nothing. It literally changed so many black lives.

And don't get it twisted. I'm not, I'm not, you know, if there's bad things that happen, we understand that. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the good that happened. And the good that I've seen that we've seen. Yeah, yeah. We all see it. Yeah, I haven't seen this monster.

But the fact is that we can even talk about him being in jail. Like, it was crazy because I'm sorry to sound so crazy. But when I found that he had a fight, I was like, that was evident. Yeah. because he's still a man. Yeah. He's still a man. It doesn't matter.

You know, a lot of people don't know, like, for this is like a medium prison. So, like, he can walk around, but these other people have, like, they don't have serious crimes neither. Right. So to probably the problem, he's like, you're not even an ill a dude to me. And I'm fucking still rich, motherfucker. I just sold that house that's next to my other house. Right. Yeah.

They rated. You know what I mean? So, but I just, I just, like, hip-hop. man um hip hop takes a funny twist because i would have never bet my dollars like like that in twenty 26 i'll be talking about aparthe daddy in jail and i would be in one that's in the studio with dr dr dr right yeah yeah i'm in la la la la you get it doesn't make no sense yeah and and you got to think like even today like it's a two-pock trial going on right now right now like right now I'm looking at footage of news.

I'm watching the time of the show. 30 years later. I'm like, I don't remember what I did a month ago. They're talking about. Imagine. I can't imagine it. Crazy. 30 years later.

But I think them putting puff in jail would change the whole dynamic of hip hop. I would like to address that Christmas. The question is, what do you think is going to happen when he comes out? I would like, you can go first. You see how everybody move? I think that he's going to come out and it's going to be lit for him. I think that, like, can we be honest?

We need Puff right now. Like, Puff was the party. Puff was the fun. Like, Puff was the event, right? We're going to be here. Like, even now, like, I remember seeing Puff co-signed Joe Butt. I'm Joe Budding when he was doing the pot. It was like, he was a king, bro.

And when he stood next to you, I remember you gave you the fucking Maybach. It's like, man, that he gave me a man. That is. on the television. But I'm probably there was still some king, but it's still like, I played a little for him. Okay, okay.

I played a love for him. There's no more king makers now. I'm never going to. You're right, though. You know, you know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? And I had the D from Rough Riders on here. And I wanted to tell him to his face

because to tell you the truth, this is me. When Kevin Liles, Dame Dash, D from Rough Riders, J. Prince, Shild Knight, Irv Gotti. When they had power and they used it in the way where hip hop, hip hop was secure. Nick, we was up.

We were up. Black CEOs matter. Oh, my God. Like, for real, like, I'm looking. And, you know, even Dame Dash, I said Dame Dash. Yeah, Dave Dash, like, Dame Jazz did, Dee and Wad. That's all I was telling you. I'm telling the D.

Nga, cash money. Cash money, yes. Slim and Master P. Master P. Master P. Yeah. We do need black We need black CEOs

Like somebody got a guide to shit But here's the thing You don't have a Leor in power Giving everyone You know more Like you need a Leor Like you had to have vision to see if Irv Gotti can make you a hundred million

Let me just say Let me just say something Lear had that vision for Irv Gotti Yes I remember that shit I'm around these people You need someone that's like He could be big

I remember this random But I remember when LA was re-reuping Yo Gotti deal and he was reing up on him and we was in the office. We say L.A. You say L.A. L.A. Okay, yes.

I worked at Epping, and he was reading up a Godi D. at the time. And everybody was like, it was too much. And he was like, I pay him like he's going to be what he is in five years. That's how he gets there. It took a nigger in power to do that. That's hard. A white man in power.

Did you know, say that one, please. Nigger, it took L.A. was the only nigger in power that can give someone that kind of deal, that kind of power. He was a person that showed you. So he paid your Gotti. It was like, yo, this is expensive. By the way, not just Yo Gotti, future. Yeah. He overpaid.

Travis, he overpaid. And we would leave the office and I'll be talking to him. And I'm like, yo, why do you get everybody so much money? He said, because I need them to believe that they are what they are from me. So if a nigga won $2 million, I gave him three, he going to walk higher than everybody else around him now. And by the way, Yo, Gotti want to become that. Future became that. Travis became that.

You need someone in power that's like, yo, Norie, here's the money. Go do what you do. Now there's no more of that, dog. There's nobody that's in power that can get black CEOs label deals. How do we work the industry now? This era, this time. Let me say one thing

and I want to get to that. But this is how dope black CEOs was. Now, we was on Devcam, right? Now, it was like, I was B-Grid. I was the B-Team, right? I knew, I knew it. They didn't call us the B-T. But you know what I don't.

You're a million. You were 18. The 18 was L-L-G-J, DMX, J-Z, J-Z, J-RU-S, J-Rul. J-Roo. You know, here and there, I would get him a couple of those tours, those are the top 40 tours, but I'm on B. I'm the Grammy tour, right? Yeah. Kevin Liles will come to me.

This is how, like, how much Kevin Liles was ill. I'm not saying he's not ill now. I'm saying back then. He was like, you know what, Norrie? I know what you think. You feel like we don't give you the same upfront money as these guys. He said, but I'm going to show you how to make the same amount of money. And he put me on the road literally at a 365 days of the year.

I probably went on tour like 200 days of the year. Like I literally made what I was supposed to make being on the A squad. But more importantly, he helped you wax on and wax off. With now 25 years later, that ain't shit for you. Yes, yes. That's why you can do yours. That's why what I'm trying to tell you. Yes.

I'm agreeing with you said. Because that's what he was like. He was like, yo, listen, you're going to make that whatever you think that you, did you look at it off. But you're going to do it in a better way. And you're going to be on the road. You're going to be like, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I appreciated that, man.

I really appreciated black CEOs. And not to say that I don't appreciate white CEOs or any other ethnic backgrounds. But I just related like, it was just, it was like, especially a person that came from the hood. Yeah. And he understands you. You know, like, do whatever you need to do. That was crazy. Like, you know, I don't even go lie to you.

At one point, at one point, I don't know if I big up Dame earlier, but I'm going to big him up again. I'm going to, periodically, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep because he made a point to me. And guess what, you know, I'm going to about, I'm going to do that. But I remember at one point, my crew, Big Meadow, and, you know, this is my Spanish crew, right? You know, I got my hip-bop group. Yeah, I love that. And we would come, and Dane would always have clothes for guys.

and it meant something to them. Always. Like, it means, like, every time we came to the office, Mado would have a bag of clothes. Right. S.BK, we'll have a bag of clothes. Like, it was something so little of that. Like, they ain't paid attention to not just me.

The squad. Because my crew, my clothes went to my crib. Yeah. So my bag was never there. But all the people that I came up with, and you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We've lost that.

We've lost going to the crack house and seeing, not the real crack. Crackhouse. Studio, Irf Goddy, the Mervi &'s studio. We missed, we were Erf Gotti,

Murdy, Mertie, in studio. We miss going to see Chris Lighty and Violia and Missy and,

and, um, so the other thing, we don't have great management. Right, the violin. Yeah.

Flavor unit. Yes. Yeah. Maybe you miss Flavit you have everybody managers. Like right now, you got Rock Nation,

and if you're not down with Rock Nation, you probably You find it's not a big deal. And Rock. That's not a brief, please, please, please. No, what I'm trying to say is that they're the conglomerate when it comes to that. Yeah, it is.

And we also hear. Well, things have been consolidated a lot. They're about to drop a podcast, on Rock Nation. You see the Rock Nation now has their own clothing line. Oh, where? It's not Plains no more. Yeah. Oh, that's dope.

So I believe planes are still doing it. I believe that's still Emery's thing. I'm not sure I say I believe. and now they have a paper planes. They got paper planes. But they got new people. They got rock nation. Yes, yes.

But there's nobody, there's nobody teaching. Like, there's nobody teaching. There's nobody you can walk into the office and say, yo, bro, I got this kid. Like, imagine if you found Biggie. You have to fucking go independent, registered with Toon Corps. You got to, you know how much shit you got to run through

to finally catch up? Yeah, exactly. You got to put more SoundCloud. Just to get, you couldn't take them to Leo and say, Leo say this fucking guy is the truth. Give them three. Like, you need those guys that make those bets because a bet is also it's a two-sided thing, right? If I'm bet,

if I give Nore three million, I'm giving them three million, but if Norrie is like, this nigga gave me, nigga, you gave me $3 million, nigga. Watch how much money I make you. Like, that's how, it was that. And it was also friendly competition. All that shit is gone now. Now it's like, give me a song, go home. But skills, you said gatekeeping.

We used to look at it as a bad thing, but now looking back, we needed it. You need a nigga tell you, yo, The EFN, what the fuck are you wearing? We need a gatekeeping. You can't wear that shit. I'm trying to put on a fucking, you need something. You don't, that's not no longer happening before.

I gatekeep all the time, though. You're a gatekeeping motherfucker. Hey, OG, is this shit dope? No. No. Go back. You don't even care. And here's my thing.

Leave the music to the people that love the music. That's it right. That's it right there. Leave the music to the people who still love the music. You doing this shit as a side hustle as a quick, whoop, who, boop. I really love this shit. This shit might not make me no money. I still go to the studio every morning.

I treat this shit like a job. I'm in there from 9 to 5. I take a lunch break from my own studio. That's real. Let me tell you something. There's only one artist in the history of music that I'd not know of that wrote, produced, and sung every line that he did, and that was Prince. That's the only person I know.

You know how many fucking princes is out here now? How many artists are they mused to me? They're like, I wrote, produce, engineer. Just tell me you got fucking AI you using and you're trying to make the best song. It's like you need to be in a room with a Brian Michael Cox so he could tell you that's not right. Like Jemay Dupree told him, that's not right.

We're not handing the hands to nobody. There's no more connecting hands. It's just the industry is done. So you got to just, you're just fucking figuring out. It's like the Wild Wild West now. Go back to that conversation about oversaturation. That's the problem. Is this oversaturated with people who don't

care about music. They're just like, I'm just going to do it because I can. Yeah. It's like, it's easy now. You know what? Back of the day, you say, I do, who does music? Everybody raised their hands. Like, get your ass up here. You get 20 seconds. If that shit is wag, boo! It's like, now you would be in a room full of people who do music. Everybody raised

their hand. Who the fuck we're selling it to? Yeah. And you also have people that they use it as a tool, but they, like I said, they don't really love it. So it's nothing to them. You know what I'm saying? And nobody's telling them, nah, no, no, this ain't it.

They swear that's it. So when they wake up tomorrow morning and they're like, oh, I'm still lit. I ain't lose no followers. Like, I'm still, we, like, game one? I gained two followers. I'm the man. It's like, no, you still wet.

You know what's crazy when you talk about the gatekeeper, right? For years, I still, I should say this about Melly Mell. I used to be like, your Mellie Mell is like a tough dude. Like, he doesn't show love to nobody. And then now years later, I respect with Mell's there. It's like, because the thing about it is, it's like you said, you really love this shit. Some of these people are what we call weekend warriors.

You know what I'm saying? They check in Friday and they check out Sunday night. You know what I mean? I love this shit. Yeah, like, I'm seven days a week. Yeah. I could, this shit takes, my mother would be driving school buses if it wasn't for music, bro. Like, nigga, this should save my entire life.

I take it that serious. And I didn't even love this shit. As somebody asked me to help him, but I knew it was like, I got to be a master. I got to love this shit. I got to be drunk off this shit. And you will appreciate this. Like, I'm not in control of my music. Like, when the music hits me.

I'll set this on the shoulder the other day. I'm not sure. But the other day, I'm sitting in the shower, and 16 bars just hit me. I'm just sitting there like that. I'm running, grab my phone. And my wife is just looking at me. Like, what is your problem? Like, I imagine she probably thought I was looking at porn or something, because I'm like this.

And then I'm looking, and then she's just watching me. And I'm going to hold the whole 16 bars. The shit just, it just kept pouring me. Like, I had no control over... That's dope. Like, that's God's gift. Like, you know, like, it still happens. It still happens.

Like, like, so for anybody who's asked me for a feature, I'm sorry, man. Like, sometimes I get a writer's block. Yeah, that's real. And I zone out, but then sometimes I get writers, like, building. And it's just like, I can't stop the shit. Like, you know what I mean? I'll be in the motherfucking, uh, Macy's and, you know, I'm about to swipe my car or something.

And I was like, oh, I'm like, sorry, it's just starting coming to me. And it's dope because it's almost like I understand now why people, certain people back in the day that would do records or whatever, they would be like, yeah, yeah, I'm about to cut my vocals, A by Lee. And it's like, hey, you want to stop the studio? Like, yeah, because I'm not sure if this dumbass flow or this shit that might sound silly to me, you might be like, man,

that shit, whack. You might laugh at me. You might laugh at me. And I'm just trying to get it out in like. that might be a thing, you know what I mean? Like, so I, now I understand why Missy used to make everybody leave. She's like, yo, because if I let y'all stay

and I went, he, he, hey. Y, y'all was like, hey, she's not even out the beat. I'm not going to do you. And you're like, yo, no, everybody leave. I don't want nobody here but the engineer. He can't say nothing about what I'm doing because he's getting paid. Yes.

So. Janet Jackson, because kicked us out. Get out. And Chris Lightney got mad. I'll say, oh, Chris, that is Penny from Goodtime. We are getting out the studio. Chris wanted to argue. He's like, I said, this is Janet Jackson, motherfucker.

No problem. Like, no, we're out. And by the way, she just wanted to kick us out to walk to her studio. So, I believe we're in record one, right? So we got one studio. And Brandy and Ray Jank got one studio, and Janet Jackson has the big room. So her security came in and was like, you know, everyone has to walk out while Miss Janet walks in.

And I was like, I did feel played, but I was like, that's Penny from Good Times. I can feel played. I got the first one. I was like, let's go. Let's go. And Ray J. It was like, remember Chris? Like that's a Chris, man.

Let it go. I listen to you. The whole career. This is the time? You're going to listen to me. We are letting Penny from Good Times. He's like, I realize he didn't put Penny from Good Times direct with Janet. And I was like, that's our name on Good Times.

Right. And I guess, like, like, he's like, like, he's a name on Good Times. like Chris was like, oh, man, fuck it. And I was like, yo, we got it. And you know we were making grimy. That's crazy. We were making grimy. I said, we are going to stop grimy and not be grimy to let Miss Janet walk through.

I start going on Miss Janet and everything. I love that. And then I believe she said, what, what, that time right after that. On the buster record. She said, what what? I believe I is fine. She did say what. She did say what.

She did. I swear to God. I believe. I believe. I believe that. I believe that. I believe that. record happened that night. You really got that on.

I believe that. That was the same time. That was the same time. No reason. Not making that up. That's dope. But you know, this is something I want to ask because we're all from this generation. Some of us are I'm a little bit older than the others, but we were on the same. I looked, I went to Fat Joe's party the other day, right? Looking sharp, by the way. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I was trying to do my Sam Rothstein, obviously.

You know what I'm saying? Not pink, but, you know, turquoise, you know. That's like straight mom. You know, like straight guise. So when I was looking, I looked over to the left of me. I see Rayquan. Rayquan still sharp. I see Jay DeKis.

Jay the kid still sharp looking like money. I look at that bad Joe. I'm looking at Buster Rhimes. And I'm looking at our generation. We stood the test of time. Love that. Like, this is one of the first generations that are elder men. are not in the fucking nursing home.

Yeah? We're making 50 years old look good. There was a lot of 60 years old. Let me tell you something. At Buster, I'm not going to tell you the joke that Buster actually said, but Buster came up to me. It was like, man, this is like a thousand years between all the books. You know why?

Because of hip-hop. But we look good. We still, here's the thing. We grew up caring about being fresh, and we still care about being fresh. When I was 21, a 50-year-old nigga looked like Sherman Hemsley on the Jeff. Nobody was cool at 50 when we was 21. And trust and believe, them kids don't think we're cool either. They're like this, nigga, like y'all old niggas are crazy.

They know us, but hip-hop kept us young, bro. It made us cool. Yeah. Pick up Steve LaBelle. Love Steve. Like, yeah, hip-hop keeps you young, man. It kept us young, man. Dr. Dre, were the same thing.

day he's still look cool. It's real. It's something important to his stress. And I just order his, he got this toilet in his crib, man. I ain't gonna lie, I had to bite. I said, I want these got-tham toilets, man. Yeah, so I just ordered two of those

his toilets. I'm sorry. Like, yeah, he got the Japanese shit. He got the drink. It's for you. Yeah, shit's for you. You know what I'm a bad. No, no, no, you good.

It's just, it's a hard time right now because these kids, you guys are, the reason why you guys appreciate it the way you do is because I would have bet if I would have met all y'all in the 90s, 97, and said, we're going to be here when we 50 still looking good, get money.

I'm like, get the fuck out of here. What they don't know is that every day of our life we were playing Survivor. Because a lot of niggas got sent home. There's a lot of niggas that you see them on the street, they got sent home. They got voted off the island. Yeah, they got voted off the island.

So what I'm telling niggas is that this younger generation, you can't have that entitled feeling of like, y'all owe me. Like, nigga, I've been in the music business 21 years. I still can't believe. that I'm here. Like, nigga, I still-

Nobody owes you anything. I'm, nigga, I am shocked that I'm sitting here, how the fuck that I get here? It's because I stay in the saddle. I don't know why I was going to end up. I don't think none of us did, but I know I wasn't going to fucking stop working.

And that's what I'd be one of these young generation. You got to work, bro. Like, when you're up, when you're hottest, that's when you got to work the hardest. Niggas be getting hot and expecting to just make more money. No, nigger, go get hotter.

Right. Right. I see niggas get a hit and never come back to the studio. I mean, why don't talk, Why don't tell those stories about how niggas got a, niggas caught a check and then lost a goddamn mind.

I'm sorry? That's a whole number of things. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. Because mental health has become a real thing in the society. And let me just tell you something. Being famous on Monday and not being famous on Wednesday is the first thing. It's one of the worst things you're ever go through.

So like, like, like, if you're a one-hit wonder or if you're like in that generation where, like, there's only a certain amount of people who know you, but those people who know you know you, know you, those people who live a real rough life. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, I say this a lot of times. Like, I'll be jealous of McDonald's workers. I'd be jealous of construction workers.

Construction workers can come home and take off his hard hat, and guess what? He can go in that pub and drink a goddamn beer. No one won't bother him. Nobody. I never get to take off my costume. Nobody. I can go to Richard, Court,

Richardson, Kansas. No. And it's somebody named Dorothy that's going to quick take trickle-nails and say, man, yeah, man. You and Pharrell was all right together, man. I'm telling you, I've been there. Being famous and broke is horrible. Right, wow.

Like, it ain't nothing cool about being famous and broke. I was literally working in a parking deck and my video was on BET. Wow. So I'm taking tickets in the booth. Niggas coming out the booth like, when you just were rap scene? I started it. I just wanted your video.

I just saw you I just like It didn't compute This is my first album After the first album Before I hooked up with Tim and Missy And so for me

Bro, if it was Twing's I'd have been a meme Like, niggas would have been like Yeah That's the nitty That's the dude that fucked it all up So I can't imagine

That's why That's why people be like Yo, you super humble And quiet I'm like bro Because life humbling Yeah I can't believe

I'm here stuff I'm glad I'm just thinking I'm like y'all understand bro, like I was really You know what I enjoy about you following you when you go to the barbershop. You always

go to the barbershop and it feels like they always bring you down the earth like you are not Always! I got to go to that barbershop When I go to you Shop Barbies on 25th Street I literally won the Grammy.

Right. I'm not in VA so I'm still in L.A. I didn't realize how much of a ripple effect it had that whole day. Because Clips one, Shaboozy one, Farrel one. So it was like... It was like... I come back and I'd already

had a conversation with my man. We used to talk all the time and I was like, yeah, I was like, bro, like, you know, watch how people talk to your friends. Like, when they... If people say something is little to you, they're trying to belittle. You're like, yeah, I feel you. O.G. So I go to the barbershop.

I walk in. I get a cut. Everybody like, oh, shit. Congratulations. All that, bro, was crazy, bro. My mom called me. I'm not even listening to music. My mom, it was big.

And I'm like, I'm feeling good. I'm like, yeah, man, we did it for the city. Because I took 16 motherfuckers from the crib with me. And here's the thing, this is you got to understand. I took 16 people that never had a record deal, never had a song on the radio, never had a They don't know nothing. That's the biggest moment of me like that. And they went to the Grammys and got hardware.

Right. And I'm about to leave my cut shop. I'm about to leave. And my man said, Yo, he said, man, you really did that shit, man. He said, I got to give you a congrats. So congrats. Oh, your little grand.

I love that. I'm so young people. Because they were there from the mud. It's balanced. It's balanced. Congrats on your little Grammy. Yeah. You got to trust that they love you.

You got to be a real friend. When I go back to my neighborhood, a lot of times, there's people who call me Poppy. Now, there's people who call me Poppy. There's some people who call me out of disrespect. Like, Poppy. You know, you just poppy to me. You know what I want to be just pop me to you, idiot?

I don't know you. My mother's off me, Poppy. What the hell? I love that. Disrespecting me by saying that. And then there's certain people who try to flex the ability that they know me. I can call you that. No, no, no, no, that they do know me.

They're like, yeah, that's poppy to me. And I can see how they use it. It's almost like the N-word, but I can see how they use it. Like, like, how they do it. But there's always somewhere in my hood. Sometimes they, you're like, you in that box. Right.

And it's like, I know you since you was 12. I can't treat you no different. I don't even know why they're asking you for autographs. You ain't nobody but poppy. And you're like, yo, and you got to look at me. And be like, no, I did some shit out there that motherfuckers fuck with it. I hate what somebody. You know, they knew you was 14.

They'd be like, I know this, nigga. Yeah. I don't know this, Nick. I'm 46, man. You know, the grown-me? The worst of me is running into you. like the store some shit, they're like, damn skills I ain't seen you in a minute.

Yo, you got chubby, gee. Like, nigga, last time you saw me, I was nine. What you did? I was like a DJ, but you still DJ? Yeah, you still, oh yo, you're still doing your little DJ? Yeah, I'm like, what are you mean? This is my job. I'm doing pretty good.

How your little park is. But I saw you in the barber shop, I was like, I'm so glad they don't just do it to me. I was like, you may. I see you got your little job. But those, some of those people, some of the sometimes it's love. And sometimes it's love.

If they love you, you know it's love. Like my best friend, he'd be like, I can't wait to go places with you. So, by the way, my best friend is a regular nigga. Like, I'll be door dashing when them on Saturdays. I go for the door dash ride. Like, he's a regular nigga, but he was like, I can't wait to tell people you ain't shit,

nigga. I can't wait. Niggum about the pole jacket you bought you from Prashar for $40. you're at the whole fucking song. You're like, no, nigga. They don't care. They kill me when they tell somebody else. Like, yo, this is DJ.

Eiffin is my man Ray. Yo, he ain't tell you about when he would should wear my joints all the time. You're like, yo, he don't care about that. Like, get out of here. I had to do what time. He couldn't get in the weed spot, right? So he asked me to ride with him so I can help him get in the weed spot. I don't know if you remember Branson.

Branson would serve to. right that's the reason why rappers were famous so this is like what I first became like he needed like like like I was first like getting in the game so I went I helped him get weed at Branson years later he flipped the story nor we couldn't even get a ride to Branson nigger you know what I'm saying like I was did for him like like he all he spread the whole rumor that I was desperate meanwhile no one in my hood could get to Branson because like He only served uptown dudes and he served rappers. That was it.

Pretty much it. He didn't need it. Like, you will go there sometimes. Bigg will be behind the thing. Wow. That's crazy. It's Biggie Smalls. Wow.

That's big. Biggie Smalls. For a $50 back week. Right, right. Like, he would really be serving. Like, Red Man will be there. Like, that was, let me address this real quick because I know Branson addressed it. And he was saying, Branson said, because Rehack got bit one day with Jada Kiss.

And I left my car on Branson Block. That's a crazy story. I left my car on Branson Block. and I gave it to a kid that I knew Branson knew. Branson talked to. Gave him the key, right? Because I knew I shouldn't drive, right? So, and Branson chalked it up to,

that's how much did they have respect for Norrie? Wow. And that's not the truth. It's how much they have respect for Branson. Yes. Right, right, right. They might have respect for me, but it was respect for me through Branson. Through Branson.

The way he saw you that made them see you like that, yes. But Branson, I swear God, that was the safest block in America at one point. Wow. The police would not stop through it. I don't know what kind of deal. at, because I don't know if we still got it. So I'm not going to say nothing. But police wouldn't stop there.

I'm talking about you will see every rapper from Little Seas to Red Man to maybe Method man to Norrie to who? On that block. I don't know. Mr. Lee, you was not counted. They didn't care about you. They didn't care about you. But like you would see and this will be safe. You have never heard a person getting rap.

Yeah. That's crazy. You have never heard a person getting shorter than Brassetton. You have never heard of a person get arrested in Brasson. So I just wanted to take that time out to bring you up Branson because I know he big me up when he like he co-signed the story. He's like the story is real like Norrie really did come to the block. But he blamed it on me.

And it wasn't true. Nah, I appreciate his humbleness, but I want to tell the truth. Like Branson, that was the safest block of the memory of rest and peace to Eddie. And, you know, everybody who worked at Branson, that was a real good era of New York music. And guess what? That was the same time of Black Sea. and when we lost weed spots in New York,

we lost our music. Damn out. You're right. We lost our music. We lost our music. You're right. Yes, yes. We lost our music.

And now we got medical. Marijuana, yeah. New York City is crazy right now. I can walk around. Like, I literally walked out of the airport. I swear to God, I'm not making this up. And JP was with me. And we smelled bud.

And you know who was there smoking? The fucking workers. Oh, yeah. At the airport. Because, you know, it's loose. It's no drug now. So I'm talking about this. It's whatever.

Yeah. We walked out of the airport. The two people were that small. I was like, damn. And it was too working. I hope it ain't security, though. I don't know. I can look at that.

You might have been one of the money. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, but hold up. I think we quickly glossed over it. But we got to get back to your little Grammy. Oh. Oh, God.

First of all, congratulations. You know what I love about, it's a spoken word, correct? It's a spoken word. Because you know what I love, you know what I love about this story? Because maybe the Grammys felt like they should have gave you a Grammy for you. And they're coming back and making it up. Yes, yeah. I can see that.

So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, it was, surreal, man, it was something that I did, and, uh, the crazy part was when I made the album, Shout to Adam Blackstone. Adam Blackstone was probably the person that put the battery in my back to make it. So when I made the album, it was called the seven number ones. That was the first one. And it was just about my life. And I remember putting the album out.

And I was scared to because I was like, yo, this, I'm putting a lot of my business in the street. You know what I mean? And we got nominated. I didn't win. And then I kind of circled back. And I just remember how I felt the day that I lost. Right. It was horrible to me, but it was just a regular day for everybody.

I think I saw you to run one. And I was just like, I was like, damn, like I got that close, you know what I'm saying? But to lose and then still find a creative bug like, no, no, no, I'm a double down. Like, I feel like I could make something else in this lane. I spoke a word as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when we won, it was an amazing feeling. I wasn't.

The crazy bar was I won't there. So when they called my name. I was still on the red carpet and shit. Now, the year before, I went, and I was sitting in there for like an hour and a half. And they didn't call my name, and I'm like, so the next year, it was no rush. So I'm telling my wife, I'm like,

yo, let's just maximize the right carpet. Let's just move around, talk to some people. I saw Toray, you know what I'm saying? Some of the homies, shit, killer Mike. And then my publicist, somebody hit my phone. I've never seen a phone do this. I thought it was an amber alert. Like, my phone just started going crazy.

at the same time, FaceTime, Blot, blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, What's going on? And I saw... Because you run it, you won it on non-television, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was earlier that day, so I saw Don Cannon say, congrats, and then it just started pop, congrats, congrats, and I'm looking at my wife, she's looking at me, like, like, what's going on in your phone? And I'm like, I think we won.

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And the publicist goes, who want it? And I said, I think she's like, oh my God. She didn't even know. She didn't know. Because usually they hear, the publicist is like a whole idea of when they're going to nasty awards. They didn't do that. So we take off running.

And I don't know where the fuck we go. We're just running. You know what I mean? My engineer calls me from inside. Like, yo, where are you at? Right. I said, I'm trying to get there. My wife got on heels.

We're moving. Right. I finally get there. I'm like, yo, what happened? And he's like, yo, um, uh, your man who played, he went up there. Accepting it? One of the girls, they accepted it on your behalf. And I was like, I was like, shit.

I said, what did they say? And he was like, he said, yo, they, um, he said, yo, they thank God and they thank Virginia. And I was like, right. Like, so then I went backstage and I went backstage and I saw like mustard, because mustard had won for producer the year, some shit like that. So I said, I introduced, it was weird because I said, I said, yo, congrats, bro. He's like, oh, man, thank you, man. I said, yo, man, mad skills from VA.

He was like, man, I know what the fuck you is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think he knew me, you know what I mean? And then Shabuzzi comes in, and I start seeing, like, all the winners. And it was crazy, I ran into Famlay. Family from Virginia as well, Rob Walker, yep. You know what I'm saying? And the clips had already won, you know what I mean?

And we just stood there and just was like, like, bro, look how far we came. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, and at the career. And at the career. it was on. Like, it was just on. So to be able to win it, you know what I mean?

And just inspired people from the crib that it could happen. Because they won't know. A lot of people like, oh, yeah, skills are signed up. No, bro, that was all me. Like, it wasn't no record deal. Like, that shit was really independent from the crib. Like, all the way ran it up with a good project and good campaigning. And I remember listening to him, like, when he was talking about,

he was like, yo, when Toronto, we didn't run no billboard ads. We just campaigned. Told the story. And I was like, I'm gonna pay attention to what Ray's saying, you know what I'm saying? The year that I lost, I started listening to what people did and how they moved and we won, man. And it was just crazy.

And now it's under my resume. You know what I'm saying? We got to get Malice to pay for that glizzy that he stole and all. Malice didn't steal that, man. That girl lies on my brother. I just felt like, you know, it's a great news of this. I just felt, I felt like, this was being a little buddy.

Oh, cool. Like, by my head and posting that video back. But that lets you know, like, rappers, we really pay attention to everything. Yeah, man, we have to. Like, people, people, like, whenever someone says something about me, people always send me the clip, but I'm like, I got the same internet as you. I see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes you just got to wave at all. So let's get to you real quick because... Because it's sick, right? Because one person that I see you, like, having a little bit worse, which I kind of like was thrown off because me knowing both of y'all individually, knowing that there had to be a misunderstanding somewhere. But now, let me hear you. You and Waino.

Good. What exactly... We spoke last night about it. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Bro, I love Waino. Okay, okay. Like, even when I saw, everybody was sending to me, I didn't even want to listen to it.

But his rebuttal? What he said. Okay. I didn't know where it came from. So like for me, sometimes, you know, you're just talking about one thing and you might just say some shit like the engineer was there and that engineer is like, nigga. You played it like it wasn't me. So I was really dealing with Charlemagne and I said some shit. But I apologize to him because when he broke down what I said, what I said?

And I'm like, when he said what I said, I was like, I understand why he was mad? But I'm like, why would I have said that? And then I had to listen to the question. And the question got me wound up like, what if Charlemagne and him is doing this? And I was like, man, I would answer like, that's what it was. But I spoke to him, man. Me and Wayne don't have no problems, man. I love Wayne, though, man.

And RAPE to his mother. I spoke to him yesterday, man. He's a good guy, man. He's a great guy. I don't like having problems with great guys. So I went to square that away immediately. Because one of the things is that one of the good things is that we are now in control of our own media, right? Yes.

Now, the ill thing about that is not just the artist. Like, A, and R's can. get in front of their own jobs right now. You know, record execs could get in front of their own jobs right now. We're now in control the media. But now what that happens is it's so many people on the same block. Yes. Just like hip hop.

Yes. So many people are in the same block. And just like hip hop, so many people on the same block with the same work. We all go to the same re-up guy, right? I'm sorry, sorry to relate to that analysis. But yeah, we go to the same guy. Then we go out and pump it on the same block. So there's always going to be heads that clash, right?

Yes. Because it's going to be like, you know what? I know how to get there, but you take a left when you go there and you take, you pay the tolls. I don't like paying tolls. I go to, so I go to scenic route. You know what I mean? But we're both getting to the same destination. Right.

Is podcasts becoming oversaturated? Or is it already busted bubble? I think the bubble has busted and now it's like, I think it's over. And when I mean about it's over, I mean like the gold rush of everybody trying to do it. I think the podcast mics have been, the prices that went down, nobody's buying them no more. So I do think that the podcast is a weird and new rappers in my mind. Yes. Because we drop two albums a week.

We drop two albums a week. We drop in, we do an interview. This is a feature on y'all album right now. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, you're right. I don't think it's a good thing. That's just me. No, like Leo Coles has a podcast right now.

And listen, I like, you know what I just said? I started off this conversation by saying how much is a fan is of Leo Coles. But I'm not a fan of his podcast. Me neither. Because the reason why I'm not a fan on your podcast is the reason why I was a fan. of you is because you're mysterious. Yeah, we need people to stay mysterious. We need you to stay mysterious.

Like, I, listen, Nas is my favorite. When y'all said, Jay, Nas is my top. That's why I shut the fuck up, right? So when y'all was talking out of that, but, right, Nas, even though that's my friend

and I have his phone number and I, and if I get married, how he'll be invited to my wedding and all this. The fact is, I still don't know everything about you. Yeah. I like that. Because I'm still your fan. I don't want to know that you wake up and eat oatmeal.

Yeah. I don't want to know that part of you. I wouldn't know he was going there for Leo. My thoughts was I just thought it was a bad concept for the podcast. Like, I don't want to see Leo listening to, I don't want to hear you playing old fucking vinyl. Give me the fucking answer. Give me the answer to the fucking test, bro. Like, I want to see you talking to people like me saying this is what you need to do to win.

That would be the number one podcast in the world. What the fuck are you doing bringing a box of crate talking about? That's that old guy's shit. You got your wine You got your wine You're trying to bring your living room You think my living room is pretty cool It's cool to you

I just thought it was a bad concept And I'm a Leo fan But I just like yo What the fuck are you doing? Everybody don't need one Because I'll be honest I don't be knowing

What the hell Half of y'all be talking about I don't Bro if it don't come on The national news I don't know about it But that's like music You were just talking about

What Wayne though? I'm clueless I don't know what that was That happened last night though That was like fresh of the press I heard about the shawl of the press But that's like music though You didn't know every time someone released

Yeah but for me it's like Like what y'all do Like I'm into that Like we can sit here talking about hip hop And the music industry and all that shit all day Once y'all start talking about Who wore what to the red car I don't give a fuck

I don't care enough But I gotta say something though to you You know I got to say this to you You're acting real old school I don't care I don't care No here's what I'm trying to say No no

I agree with you But you're speaking subjectively You're speaking from your own perspective Your age to your experiences There are some people that want to see that fashion shit And that person should have a podcast And talk about that's what I'm saying I understand it

But when I start seeing men grown men That I respected in the 90s and in 2000 And all they're doing is doing the same shit Wendy Williams doing I'm cool I do what you say That's different

Because then when I see you When I see you When I see you when I got to give you a pound You in another box now my nigga Like it's like yeah What's up bro Yeah Because I saw that clip last week

Are you talking about Cardi B's and Stefan Diggs I don't You care about that Now we see it talking Yo skills who in your top five Who are the best person from Atlanta Who put the side?

I can talk about that all day. When y'all start talking about all that other shit, I'm out. I can't. It's gossip culture and it's monetized and it's crazy. Same thing happened with the rap up. That's what they wanted. I'm like, go to murder for that.

Because I can't do that. It's high school again. We all go to high school. We go to high school with our kids too. I'm not in high school. No, no, no. If you're on social media, if you're on social media, you are in fucking high school.

It's your first day. The outfit you wear we're watching your knickers and shit. You know what? The post. Norrie is like, I see it. It's the same concept. I'll get how you use that too, though. How are you raised right. We are all in high school. I like it, though. But some of y'all motherfuckers

supposed to be in that little trailer in the back that's true. Y'all not supposed to be with us. I got a different lunchtime than Norrie. Norrie got a other lunchtime with me. I'm in special education. They got all up on the side of the wall. Get the program.

I don't, we not see all time. in the same class. I wasn't a special student. Nor was a special student. I want too, my, nigga. I think a lot of you. I had a daycare and in my school.

We're all in the same class. We all in the same class. Ray said this got us all in the same class. But that's the most of it. No, no, no. But that's the point. It's like we all the same class. But we all care about the same shit.

It's just the problem is, is that we all going to high school together. I go to high school with my kids. Nigger when Drake and fucking Kendrick going out of my son is like, you're hearing this shit like we're in school together. the nigger, like we're at the fucking lunchroom. And you know what's the problem with that is,

and his was crazy. This makes everyone feel on the same level. Yes. I give you an example. A comedian friend of mine invites me to his comedy show. Like I'm a little late, so people sit in my seats.

It's just random people. As I'm walking through, I show the usher of my, not usher, but the usher, my ticket stuff. So it's like, oh, these people over here, they're sitting in your seats. So the security guard walks over to these young ladies

and says, excuse me, you guys are sitting in these guys seats. The girl gets up, she leaves, she gets out of there, she goes straight to Twitter. Norrie kicks me out of my seats. Like, what was I supposed to do

at that very moment? Yo, these are my seats, but you can live. Because I don't want you to say nothing about me on Twitter. I'm going to tell the hype the fuck you did to me. She actually made me,

and I was so stupid I responded. But, You can respond. This is back then, but I knew how to delete it, but I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was trying to say is she, she villainized, she villainized me from using her social media because, one, I guess she took a, like, a picture of a security guard and was like, a norri, she said norie. It wasn't me. I never made eye contact with her, never spoke to her. I didn't even know what was happening in the same until I read Twitter. Right. Like, so she literally left. It was like, Norrie kicked me out.

It was like me, my wife. She didn't give you the context. Like, what was I supposed to do? Like, if you're literally sitting in my seats, what I'm supposed to say? Like, what can I do to be nice in this situation? I can't ask. Like, that's like a person putting on my jacket. She wanted you to DM and ask for your seats back.

That's like a person putting on your mic jacket. And then I say, hey, that's my jacket. Where did you get that jacket from? He's like, I got it from the great car out there. Oh, you got that for my car. Can I have my jacket back? And they go off. It took my jacket.

You're rich. You need this jacket? Like, yeah, motherfucking smile. Your little jacket. You know, so now I bring that up to say, look how, look, and bless this woman wherever she at, but look how she weaponized that. Like, in order to, maybe according to her fans, they took what she said literally, that I literally walked up to her.

It's like, you know, get the fuck out my seat. Get out of my seat. Well, that's not even what happened. But what I'm saying is, they weaponized this. And these are people with less power. Yeah. Imagine people with a little power who knows how to, who knows how to. Dangerous.

Like, I was watching Get Into the Greek the other day, and I'm going to say this because I'm an artist, but this is not fully true. He said, our artist is a sneaky and kniviness. Motherfucker there is. Now, there's parts of that that's true. You have to be, the win. But every artist is not.

Every artist is one of the things that I didn't want to bring this up. But one of the things that, you know, I quote it to the, little smoke with this dude name um vlarin you know um he's he's he's he's he's he's he's a karen uh and and i like to call him vlarin okay i got you i got you one of the things that he used to say to me he said rappers and rappers and he totalized rappers in one category because you meet emcey greenface and mc greenface is a fucking coward to you and emce green face lines you up and mc green face says to you hey man i'll be there if i o'clock, doesn't mean

an MC black shirt is going to do the same thing. Right. Doesn't mean an MC Hawaiian sweatsuit. It's going to do the same thing. Doesn't mean an MC, relax, relax, you can't categorize everything because that's, for lack of a better

term, that's almost racism. If you say that one black person kicked you in the knee, and every time you see a black person you cover your knees, it's you the one that's racist. Yeah. Because you categorize in it. And I'm going to address this real quick I didn't want to address this in front of y'all, but I will.

I will. Vlad TV, I don't front on everybody. I front it on you. I did to you what you do to our culture. I bent you over and I fucked you. Y'all of me. I believe one of the first things you did

you said was you have black kids. I would like to address something. slave masters have black kids Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Clu-cuts clan members have black children By you saying you have black children

You just say you like black pussy This does not exclude you And this does not give you an invite to the barbecue You are the dude that comes to the barbecue with pickles in the potato salad and raisins And raisins

And raisins How did I know You're not pickles and raisins You are so bad You got pickles and raisins in your potato salad and you know what you pay your friends

you pay your company so we don't tell you your potato salad is trash we don't tell you we hate you you put me on the text with Saigon I immediately text Saigon on the side I said you hate this guy don't you Saigon did not say no and then I on the text with Saigon

I said listen Vlad Saigon don't like you you couldn't come outside at one point if it wasn't with my son or security. And you know who that security was? It should have been the F-O-I. You know why you can't hire F-O-I? Because the one time, have you ever heard me beefing with Flai TV?

Never, right? Because you know why the one time you heard me beefing with Flai TV? Do you know what it was over? What? Him, misquotting Farrakhan. And all I asked, brother, was take me off for your sight. You don't have a signature on me. And that's the reason why I didn't show up.

because you know what I was going to do your interview and you flaked on guess what I'm a grown man I have a right to change my mind facts right as this KeevD trial

I started to look at this I said I'm gonna be a part of this this era see if you say and then he says I did Norrie's show so he I'm supposed to do first for a first is not a swap for me me and you

flattering It's not what If I walk in Mr. Childs right now And you walk in Mr. Childs, Mr. Flatterbyer You ain't getting in! You are the dude who calls people like me To get you in the club. That's who you are.

And when you turn around, we laugh at you. Because you pay for your interviews. We have integrity over here. If a person wants to come to drink chefs, you come to drink chats because you want to And you're going to get your flowers Because you deserve them. You can't pay for these flowers.

was over here. You are an industry puppet and no one wants to tell you to your face. I am gladly take that position. You are a clown. I protected you. You hung out with me for plenty of times

when my song wasn't around. That lets you know that you had trust in me. But I would like to apologize to Dame Das because Dame Das said to me years ago, what a culture of Ocho is is once they can't use you, they throw you away. Mm-hmm. He could not get me.

He asked me to do his. Now, technically, you did drink champs. So if anybody owes it, if it's a swap, it's drink champs who owes. You don't want drink champs. You want the yala. Yeah. And the yala is just too small. He's too sharp right now.

Yeah. And I start to see how, I start to see how shit is changing. I start to see how you actually put Rick Ross. You actually try to put Rick Ross in jail. That in my world. You're a rat. Yeah. You're told.

Yeah. And then you're trying to be tough too. You're trying to be a rat and a tough guy? Holy moly guacamole. You got to take a choice. KVD is on trial. Now, Les the Reyes, KVD. Told on itself.

Let's suppose he did. Which he did. But it's still on your platform. If a person comes and says, holy shit, and says, hey, on me and EFN's platform, I killed the candle. Me and EFN has a responsibility to say,

you know what? He's going to say it on Piers Morgan. Let's not use that. Yeah, yeah. But that's not what you did. Yeah, no. Vlarin. You got three more interviews for them.

You benefit of a black drama. You do. You are Jerry Springer now. But at least Jerry Springer has some white people on there, Wiling. No, when you got somebody wilding on your show, it's us. It's always us. You even had Tony Yeo up on there recently, and Tony Yale said, let me talk about my shit.

He said, let's talk about it later. As soon as LeMayo wanted to get to positivity, he didn't want to do it. You know why? because Lord Jamar having squashing his beef with Grand Puba means nothing for his system but Lord Jamar saying fuck Grand Puba he don't wear the Tommy Boy good no more

that fits his platform and let me just be quite That's what you're selling Capone saying fuck Norrie That belongs on your platform But Capone and Norrie being together for 25 years Our kids are knowing each other And if we are living in happiness

That doesn't belong on your platform And now let me be honest Because I'm gonna let it go I told you I wanted to talk today You did We're listening Let him cook We're listening

I honestly Get in front of him I knew that my image At the time I was the state of mind that I was at I was in marathon mode This guy don't hang out with me When I'm in marathon mode

None of these guys hang out with me in marathon More I'm serious I'm three times a day I was going here And I invited him to here I invited him because I wanted him to see, like I'm not fronting on you. To get on your platform, I got to be in a negative zone.

Like, you're not a, you're not a cup of positivity, sir. Right. So if I'm not going to do that because I'm not going to disrespect your platform, meaning I'm not going to come on here and say, don't ask me this. Because if you say that to me, I don't want your interview. Right. So I have to respect that. So I'm, I dress that.

I feel good. I feel bad. No, no, I know, because I was so happy. Did you see how much of a Karen he turned, though? He was like, you know, guy. charge him because he's not going to do your interview. No, I'm not doing yours. I don't like you.

You get red and you turn burgundy and shit. And then I try to max my sikonis with your face. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, you brought up your kids. And it was like, he went too far. Like, what do you want for me? No, sometimes you can say no. Yeah.

No was the best policy. We could have went on. We started our relationship. I said if we're not going to work together, we'll be cool. What happened to that? The minute I chose that option, everything changed because you couldn't use me.

I don't want to be that guy. And I know what you want to use for me because it's one thing. I did three interviews with him. I did one with Cabona Noriega, one with me, and then one, and there's one interview that stands out. It's the Illuminati one. Guess what?

He doesn't have my signature on that. So guess what? I played the game that you've been playing for years. Welcome to the motherfucking party. me. Make a I'm sorry I'm sorry, I don't even know what happened

I was like, oh, you're on no laugh Hold up this show's about giving flowers I know you all come but we like to give everybody something to leave with and then we appreciate you, my brother and we get flowers here, man.

That's right. At first time. Yeah, after the first time. Thank you. It's after that. We got alumni again. Oh! You're alumni, alumni, alumni.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Thank you all, that's amazing. Ray, alumni for you. Hey. Epps. And Epps. Miami to Miami, do you. Yeah, Miami in the brother.

You're just. My nigga. Go, go, go. Yeah. You come a long way. Yeah, man. A long way. To me, thank you.

Uh, and you, my brother, you're the man. That's right. Thank you, man. That's right. I love my, bro. Yeah. God damn. God damn.

You know what I love? No, you know what I love? When I always look at that, y'all spoke about it earlier that I was trying to ignore y'all because I went to bring it up on here. So when y'all was talking about, I was like trying to, like I was trying to walk away from y'all. That, to me, that cover. The Mixit magazine?

That says Miami to me. That says the Miami that I know is Epps. Okay, go ahead. I'm not going to. I feel like you're about to correct me. I'm not going to. As your community. DJ Collett.

You can do it. Daly. I got his name, man. How? I go to dinner with him. He drinks a lot. Iri, Arii, Ari, okay. I mean, know, yeah.

Irie and you call it. Like, it's y'all four or there's five? It's four. That to me represents Miami, right? Now, Miami, I'm going to be honest with you. when I first started music business, Miami wasn't in top 20 category

just so y'all know. Like the record labels, you know that. If it was on the top 20s because of a motherfuckers horny. Motherfuck was like, take out Virginia. Or take out North Carolina. Slipping Tampa. And then they're all, they're all, they'll cry. But to me, that was the representation of Miami.

It was like the college DJ. That's the coverage. Yeah, yeah. Look, to me, it's like, the college DJ, the mixed show DJ, the radio DJ. That was his version of being on that picture. And then, and then Irie is like, you know, like, he's, he's, he's, who's, if Mike Ruben goes to party, I expect I read to be on the goddamn. Like, he's the heat, when the heat's playing, like, like, and that to me represents Miami, man. Like, I love seeing that.

And I love seeing that all four y'all are still around, man. Absolutely. I love that. So now, Ray Daniels. Let's go, brother. Now, another brother who I see you guard, and I know y'all know each other, but I feel like y'all should know each other in more of a depth. It's you and Charlamagne, right?

Yeah. By the way, I love, I love your points. I love how you articulate. I love how you deliver the message. And you know what it is? I sincerely believe, and I say this behind your back when I'm saying it in your face, I'm just literally believe you a little above your time. You're a little like, you're like, and what you're saying at times is what we all think.

Yeah. You know, you know, like sometimes you think of something, but you won't say it. He doesn't say it. Oh, he says it. Yeah, yeah. He says it. So how did this discrepancy start with your charlemagne? Because it's not a discrepancy, but I'm a misunderstanding.

Well, first of all, let me say this. Charlemagne is the Michael Jordan of Receda. Yes, yes, yes. I love Charlemagne. I'm the problem with him. he was actually someone that I was like trying to work with right so so I it goes back to that I put out this clip where I basically was telling everybody like Jay Z and Donald Trump are the same person well oh yeah okay and then you know and it's like

and I wasn't saying it to be negative I'm saying it to say like you got to think about your name you got to think about your brand all those things and keep it like completely clean like you can't say nothing bad about Jay like they don't play that about his name same with Trump right so I was trying to make that comparison and it was was going viral and then like first of all I met Charlemagne at the Black Effect event and I didn't even know he knew I was so I was like damn bro like I'm really like

I'm one of them I'm the people in the room that I've been here 21 years back there I gotta stop you I gotta stop because that's what I think is the problem I think you keep you keep thinking you're on down no no no no let me tell what I mean you have a powerful voice no no no but let me tell what I mean I know my voice is powerful because I'm one of them

right I'm one of the unseen I'm one of the motherfuckers that show you know one of them. No, no, not to them, but I know I am, because I knew the house was going to get burned down five, six years ago. When I knew the academics was the marketing plan for labels, I'm like, nigger, I got to get the fuck out of here. Like, we're in trouble. Not negative to academics. It was just very lazy. It was almost like, you empower on him. I want to be the person in power. So Charlemagne, we meet, take a picture. I tell him what I tell everybody. Bro, I'm really a music exec that wrote a letter that put me in a bad light with some white people. And he's, you know, and I figured like, send me back to general population. I could talk on camera. Right. I know how to do that. And I was really talking to get a job.

So I tell that to everybody. I was trying to get a job. I can't believe I'm doing this shit and now I'm making money. So I say that to him. So anyway, the Jay Z clip goes, Shalamein calls me. Shalomane is, first of all, I'm excited to see this nigga. Like when Noriega texts me, I'm like, oh, shit, stop the world. But he's calling you.

And this is particularly about the Trump. About the Trump. The Jay Z clip. The Jay Z Trump clip. So he calls me and he basically tells me you can't, you shouldn't say negative things about and here's all the reasons why. And by the way, I'm like telling him my opinion. I'm like, dog, it's weird that people think I hate Jay.

I love Jay's. That's my favorite. That's my favorite rapper. I just, as you get old and you be one of them, you just see the flaws of every man. You see the good way. Every man and the flaws of every man. So I can see those flaws and I can point it out, because I feel like I'm an educational platform, honestly. So he calls me, so he's talking about

it and it inspired me. Like, I'm like, damn, bro, this is dope. Like, it made me want to call somebody and say, don't say something negative about another nigga. That's how dope it was. And I go, yo, you don't work with him, though, right? Y'all ain't got no business, nigga, none. He was like, no, we're not no business, bro.

We don't work together, nothing. I just know the kind of man he is, and I just want you to do this. So I say, man, I'm going to tell my fucking podcast. It's like, I'm on a drink chance. I'm going to tell him my podcast that you hit me. No, no, don't tell him it was me. Don't tell him it was me. They're going to always think I work for him and I don't want to keep it like that.

That was interesting to me, but okay, we don't go off. Now, it's the first weird thing. Now, he called me about that, right? Tip is on the breakfast club and they just kind of threw me under the bus What you think about Ray Day? He said about your taste of hits and I'm like, why the hell you ain't?

When you say Tip you talking about Tia? Tia. I'm like, why you didn't call me about that? Yo, Ray, I'm gonna tip coming. I'm gonna bring up this like, you just call me 30 minutes about Jay? Why you'll call me about that? So anyway, that was weird, but let it ride.

I get it. It's still your name out there, whatever it is. So anyway, then it gets exposed to Waino. That's how Waino got into it a little bit because it got exposed to Waino. For me, Wainto said that Charlemagne is an owner of the casino. He had to put up a piece. And by the way, and academics exposed it more,

where you saw Charlemagne name was under Rock Nation. It wasn't under Eyeheart. It was a whole bunch. It was all types of companies. He was strictly under Rock Nation. So to me, it felt weird. It's like, nigga, you could have just told me, me and Hove, we do things from time to time,

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What if that was the first thing that they're doing together? If it was, he could have just said, talk, we've all been in the music business. How long? We know how to talk to each other and say I'm working on some shit. I can't tell you, you can't. We all understand how to say that. You could have said that. He said, no way.

Okay, cool. So then I put out, I'm at the end of my show. One of my homies called me like, yo, you know that I'm done. You know, I'm done. You know, I'm looking for a partner. You know, if we get that, we might get it. So I'm like, okay. So I'm on my pod.

I just throw it out there. You know, sometimes during your show, you just say some shit to see people watching. Right. I didn't clip it up nothing. It was like a 90-minute show. The last 45 seconds I mentioned the album was coming. So all of a sudden, it gets leaked.

Ray Daniels said Jay-Z album is coming. And I knew it was a setup because it was three blogs tagged me in the same post with the same caption. I'm in media now. I know how to calculate it goes. I'm like, that's interesting because I've never even heard none of these fucking blogs. Like, who are these people? Then all of a sudden, rock nation goes fake news.

Then all of a sudden, and by the way, I had a clip full of clips that I was going to put out myself, but I just lay low like, let me let this shit die. I don't want no problems with nobody. I don't want no smoke with nobody. I was like, you know, sometimes like, just let this shit go away. Then all of a sudden, shout out to my brother Punch. I don't know if y'all know Punch, but y'all should know Punch. That's my little brother.

Punch from Brooklyn. Punch calls me 10 o'clock in the morning. Yo, what's going on? You straight? I'm like, Nick, I'm on my way to the office. Nick,

like Charlemagne's trying to end you right now on the radio. Oh, is it done you? Yeah, he's ending you. I'm like, he gave me donkey today. Why he didn't call me?

You got my phone. You called me about Jay. By the way, I was chasing him down to do business with him. He don't, we ain't got that. That meeting never happened,

but you called me about Jay, but then now you give me donkey today, you don't call me. So now I understand, it's like, I'm pretty sure you guys as emcees and his DJ had that moment where you're like, oh, I'm really in the big show.

Right. These niggas is using me as a piece. So for me, it's like, I had to just make sure he understood. I want to be disrespectful, my nigga. But, Charlaman, you are the host with the most. Nigel, I was there three hours before you. I knew every fucking, I knew the valet. I know the cooks.

I know everybody. I grinded out with them. I helped them. They don't fuck with you like they fuck with me, bro. Don't fuck with me. Nigget, the people that talk to you tell you what they want to tell you. You're media. You know this shit, nor are you.

Sometimes a nigga call you, be on the phone talking you. I'm like, why is this dude telling me this? Do you want me to say this? I'm still an industry now. I don't even, I don't repeat none of this shit that's going on around me. So when he gave me dunk in a day, I just had to address it. And here's the interesting part. So the first, as soon as he does it, the IHart station in Atlanta calls me.

Yo, shout out to BT and Ferrari. They're like, yo, we need you on the show. We got to dress his Charlemagne stuff. And I'm like, y'all want me to come on, IHart? Can y'all just make a call up to the higher ups? Because if I'm coming, I'm going, I'm a talk hot talk. Right, right, right. And they call, Charlemagne told him, let them come up there.

All right. So for me, it was like, all right, cool. I guess this is what you do with people. Him and act does. He boxes with people. Maybe it's respect for me. But I have a problem with him. But to me it was like, it did make me feel a little good, though.

It's good. It's good. I'm like, nigger, you played yourself. You played yourself. By the way, you say Ray Daniels, here's my pro tip. You so much on another man that you're saying, here's my pro tip. Say heard. I did say, heard.

And I actually said the person that called me told me this. It's like, I said this on the same clip. You're so busy wanting to show these up north New York niggas that I'm a good country boy that moved to South. You want to show them that you're a good friend. I'll show you. And now you're shooting at a nigger from the South like you. Like, why would you do that? I'm the last nigger you want to shoot at, bro.

And by the way, I'm not a puncher. You so he just did the Vlad? That's Virgo shit. We counter punches. Yes. You punch us, nigger? Yes, that's right. We're going to sit back and figure out where I want to punch you, how I want to punch you.

I don't want to punch you, Charlemagne, but I will say this to you. The first 10 years of my career, Ray Daniels does not make money until I find someone and help them make money. And they give me pennies out the money that I help them make. My whole career was built on making niggers rich. Your whole career was built on stepping on niggers. Bro, we are not the same. The people don't love you like they love me, bro. Right.

Regardless of what you think. So for me, it's like, thought, I'm a better ally anyway. I still think you to go. Just leave me to fuck alone. All right. Y'all got for me. Y'all got another bird going to the house. That's good.

You not sure in one of your, I'm not too sure what show was. But anyways, you were saying that you felt like Atlanta was being attacked sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Because on the breakfast club, they asking Rashad and Troy. Earn your leisure. Yeah, earn your leisure. Like, what y'all feel about

what Atlanta doing for y'all? To me, we all do media in here. We all know that we talk when the cameras are on and when we talk when the cameras are off. That felt deliberate. I've never seen the interview where someone says, hey, the other city, you hosting it and giving you money. That felt deliberate to me.

But by the way, it made the event bigger than it was. But then it was the T.I. versus me thing. It was like, why would y'all do that? But it's like, I get it. Okay. It's just, that's why I said. It was flattering. It's like, damn, a little light on me now.

Now I'm like, skills. You and T.I. had a back and four? No, it was nothing. We're good. It's not that, but it was just, they tried to make, they basically tried to, they try to take a clip of something that I said and played it for him and said,

would you think about this? But it was out of context. But it was like, what the fuck does that have to do with the interview? Y'all, journalists, why are you asking him what I said? Like, y'all are supposed to be asking him something that y'all said. So that was weird to me, but it just felt like it was like, and by the way, I'm not the only person that feels like this. This is how the city feels like,

because the city is like, Atlanta's a real community that loves each other, like, there's a ride for each other. And it's been little ruffles in, like, this side versus this side, who ain't from this city? And that shit just starting. And I feel like it started, all of that is, like, linked together for me. So I just feel like New York divided Atlanta? No, I said, the breakfast club. Charlotte made me.

Let me say nothing. I'm working. Me. But Charlotte made it some South Carolina. Right. So I will never say New York. Right. So let's be clear.

Yeah, I'm not fucking with you. Yeah, for sure. Now, but you know, you know what I believe, and I don't think Atlanta's suffering, but so let me be careful how I word this. But I believe that their suffering from New York is so many of them right now. And it's so many on the same block.

It's hard to, like, it's hard not to bump an elbow. Like, I've ran one marathon and I've ran three half marathons. In the beginning of that shit, they bump into you. At first, I was, they bump, because they're trying to do a nine minute mile. I'm just trying to complete my shit.

But they're running to you. Yeah, so at the first I was sit there and be like, oh, okay. You're taking it person. I was chasing the motherfucker down at once. Like, yo, you're going to say sorry. He's like, man, I'm trying to make about eight minute mile. I'm like, you know what I mean? So I believe that's what's happening with Atlanta.

Atlanta has so much good shit happening that when they're in the vicinity of each other. It's like what greatness is greatness. I'm going to say I'm greater than you. You're going to say you're greater than me. And then we're going to find a reason to figure out who's the greater. And I believe that's what it is. So I don't believe it's that. But because, and then even with the streets and the music business,

that is the real part of Atlanta that is like, because there's people who say, hey, man, young thug is a gangster. And there's people who say, man, you know, Thug, you know, he went the other route. There's people who say, you know, this guy, he did this. And then he went to the other route. And it's like, and it's like, gunner. It's like, you know, it's gonna.

People picking size. Yeah, they did, gonna tell. Like, we, I've been out of the streets for 20 years. I don't know. Like, I have to be told this. You know what I'm saying? So I'll say this about, I'll just say this. I feel like the only thing that kind of hurt us is that we started focusing more on the streets

and less on the talent. And Atlanta always, no, no, that's what I mean about the talent, right? Atlanta was always, the streets was always there. We always had gangsters. It was never going anywhere. It was always there. But I feel like it's like at some point in time, it was like that light that all the rapists had. Eventually, it was just street guys.

And then the street guys had street rules they had to follow. And if one of them trip up, that hurts the entire ecosystem. And then it becomes less about talent. Like, young Joe is talented. T.I. was a street dude, but Tia can rap for real. Like, it's like, you had to have talent. And then it became, and I remember, like, my brother's right there. My brother always schooled me on what's happening outside,

and it became more about like, nah, he's really a street dude. They don't think. You better not play with him. And then it was like, the more he, the realist, it was the biggest he was. It wasn't about... But then he didn't get into the hands.

It wasn't about talent anymore. Him rapping didn't mean shit. He was a real street. Like, dog, I went to... I'm looking at your shirt, bro. I remember being 14 years old and Goody Mob from Tri-City's high school, East Point, coming to Banach of Hanaka High School

where I go, college park. By the way, ludicrous goes to the same school. They come in there with their... I froze like it was about talent. And it feels like once it became so much money became on the table, it became about the streets. And I feel like we got to just get back to focusing

on the talent. Let's not forget the times when the streets actually protected the talent and didn't want them. That's my point. That's what I said. The light shines so bright that it was a point of time wheel. But I feel like that light got so bright that the street dudes, by the way, it's all about girls. They probably looked at it was like, this little nigga getting the bitches I want, hey, now I'm the real.

I'm the real. I'm the right. I'll put the money. Let me tell you all something. You born and raised in Miami or you originally from New York as well? Manhattan. Manhattan. Okay, all right. So look, let me just tell you something. I'm telling this to all of y'all.

This is the evolution of hip-hop. I remember, I remember no matter where I went, especially Virginia, especially Atlanta. And I'm from Queens. So this was a cheat code for us. We would just yell, is Brooklyn in the house no matter where we were at? Yeah. And the crowd would lie. And act like...

And act like they from Brooklyn, bro. Like, it went from, like, I remember, like, God bless me, because all the people were in Virginia and all the people with ATL. Like, like, because, you know, those are two of my favorite states. I go there, I get nothing but love. But I remember at one point, to go to those two states, that was our cheat code. Yeah. And by the way, it would probably be two or three Brooklyn dudes that moved there.

Nah, say two, 300. I'm telling you, like, that's another thing between Atlanta. Atlanta has a lot of northerners because Atlanta is so welcoming. The slogan is too busy, the city too busy to hate, so we're so welcoming that it's like a huge New York infiltration there. Like, I'll tell you something. I'll be honest with y'all, I am a die-hard Knicks fan. Nigel, I was at game five when they won. I took my son.

I went in the experience and won in the championship. I'm a dot, but I left New York when I was 1112. So all you had downstairs in the project was basketball courts. Nika, everybody watched that. That was the city sports, so I love the Nix. I don't watch the Giants. I didn't know about, we like the Yankees a little bit, but I was a Knicks fan. So when the Nix was playing the Hawks this year, I literally, my family was like bugging.

My uncle got us all tickets. My brother, all of us tickets to the Knicks' house game. I'm like, I can't come. What? Nigger, I can't be an Atlanta, nigga in the championship. Nick's a nigga. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying that's the fucking, that's the amount of, by the way, that's because the city

would have put pressure on me. Right, right, right. By the way, by the way, when Bank did his show talking about it, that's what Bank said. Big Bank, that was a joke. He said, right, right Atlanta nigga, but I ain't gonna lie. That nigga was happy when the Knicks won. Like, it's just, and then my niggas is off from Atlanta, so I was in the car, one of my niggas, Fredo was in the car

and he's like, he was like, bro, it's not that, it's not that you from up north, man. I want to just tell you that. Because if you was a Philadelphia and 76ist fan, we wouldn't give a fuck. You are a New York Knicks fan, we hate, we hate you New York. We hate you, New York fuckers up here, like down. Y'all be coming down trying to take over.

Thank you for a minute. Thank you for me. My Nick, no, he just told me, so I'm thinking that out. I'm like, nigga, I'm not going. So I can't even support the Knicks in Atlanta because I'm in Atlanta. So it's that whole thing. But, bro, it's just, Atlanta, we just got to get back to the talent and invest in the talent. And there's no more ecosystem there.

It's no more. It's like, I mean, I got my shit booming, but it's not a lot of shit booming. Like, QC got a 150,000 square foot. Like, office there or whatever. And it's a few people, but it's just not enough. Not enough money circulating through the same. city. It's just not right now.

Pry out there with a lot. But that's film though. Every black actor is trying to get on Tyler Perry. That's what I mean. Like, if Tyler Perry left,

we would lose 15% of our population because the actors in Atlanta will fucking leave. That's how many, he employs that many people in the city. That's how many people in the city just to chase their dream to work for Tyler. So, you know,

we don't have that on the label side no more outside of QC. And P and Coats can't do but so much. So it's like you need, but back in the day you had, RICOA was empowered. And Dallas Dawson was in power.

Jermaine Dupree was in power. And Jermaine Dupree had to walk the franchise boys into a major label would say, I know y'all don't understand this, but this is my culture. Let me show you how to do this. And that's when it goes nationwide. You need those people. There's no more of that.

There's no more buildings, bro. It's nothing. It's like, that's how I knew the shit was over. Honestly, we can make someone hotter from this table than any building can right now. And that's the scary part because that's not our job. Right. Yeah, that part.

Yeah. That's what fucked up about this new generation is they actually don't need the record labels. They don't think. They don't think. Yeah. But like, because, you know,

that was the one good thing about being on a major label is they spend million dollars of you and regardless if y'all break sources or not, they can't take back that million dollars of fame that they spend on you. So you leave a major label being a star. Yes. And you can go somewhere else and continue to be a star.

You can be independent and have a piece of career. It's the actual artist making themselves famous now. And then they sign to a label. And then the label owns their image when they leave. But I would like to know the actual numbers, the data points of like the percentage of how many artists. We already talking about oversaturation. Right. How many artists actually get success versus how many artists that went through the major label machine and got success.

Because I don't think it equates. I don't think we're seeing that everybody today can go on. social media and have success. I don't think that. I don't think so. No, no, no. Let me say to you. I can clear it up.

What that means is that if there's 100,000 doing it, we know 98,000 of it is bad. Right. But that data tells them the top 2000, right? So you can still focus on those people and what they're doing.

So, yeah, the other shit is bad, but you still can focus on that. So it is that. And from the labels, listen, the labels, when they let the cool niggas leave, it was over. Once the day,

data came in because you got to understand cool niggas had to start run to the data guys if i want to sign something i had to go to a data guy before i went to the CEO the company right right that was the last six years of mine he working out a label like like you when irv got he saw DMX and was like you got to come to he took leo to the projects to see them that that that shit is done nobody cares about investing y'all and besides that it's like we living in a we living in a microwave world right where you know the artist's going to be with you for two or three years and the artists think they're going to know they're going to be with you for two or three years when we signed the convict

nigga I thought that was it forever Nick yeah I was like Convick man I was crying I didn't know that wasn't going to be us forever So now think about that

Now niggas do I know you thought you were With Leo forever Like you don't be my motherfucker OG forever No nigga When I drop you You're going to go

It's like That's the game It's like Everybody knows now We're fucking For two or three years It's gonna be good You better get yours

Because I'm damn sure I'm gonna get mine And the label's perspective is I'm not going to let it go until I get mine. No, but I'm going to tell you this. Here's the reason why nowadays, to me, is my opinion, is the reason why it is the worst time, is because these artists go out there, they do all the work, and they don't realize when they're doing all the groundwork, and I realize it. Like, I went to unsigned hype.

These artists have to go to these, what is it, DSL, DSB, get on these playlists. They have to go, they have to physically do that themselves. They have to go to Instagram, upload that record they're up. I mean, how much physical is that, brother? They're in their fucking crib on their underwear.

That ain't physical, man. That ain't physical, man. No. But what he's saying is that every DSP is a store. Yes. Yes. No, what I'm saying is that

if you are a young kid, think about, that's a lot of work, bro. If you're a young kid and you got to hit all 76. But you're making my point. You're making my point. You're making my point. My point is,

you do all that, and then a label comes and asks you and they say $3 million. If they offer you $3 million, you're probably worth nine. Right. Right. You understand?

I mean, that's always been the case, though. But you've never, but you've got so hot. Like, you've never had this. Like, you know who changed the game and I'm, and no. Because every time I say this, a person say, well, name one of his records. They give me that old shit. I'm with you. They say, name one of his records.

I said, this is the new king of the generation. Because I know everything about him and I know nothing about him. NBA young boy is the fucking king of this generation to me. Whenever he does a show, yes, I don't. know these records at all. But these people that's lined up to see this motherfucker knows these records. When I go to my son's room,

they know the fucking records. And when I go to my other son's room, they know the records. It's not made for me. It's made for me to understand his flight. But it's not made for me to be above his movement. But it was also for me to sit back and say, whatever he's doing,

is hell. It's working. Like he sat down with Funny Marco and told him, you fucked up, you're on interview. I said, wait a minute. I said this motherfucker Jesus He just told funny mug He said listen man He fucked up your own interview And he said man

Cardi or Nikki Minaj And by the way we got in big trouble By asking that same question On this very show So I'm tuned to fuck in I'm like go ahead You got the answer You got to understand

You got in trouble for asking We get in trouble for all the time You be surprised People asking us to stop saying their names on good time You being surprised how many artists is like, and you know, we don't say my name on your show. No, no, no, no, no, in certain situations.

They don't say, Chris Time or Slime. Yeah, quick time or slime, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember when I asked y'all, I was like, give me a play, hold on. Okay. I remember when I asked y'all, name me five rappers that have never been in your top five. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fun, though.

Yeah, but, you know, I think, I think that made, and I don't want to call us a journalist, but it made us better media people because we start to realize even like people that's our friends are sensitive. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, um... Artists are sensitive, period. Hey man, don't just blame every artist. Come on. I mean, no, it's right. You're in the DJing artist. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, people are definitely sensitive.

Yes. Yes, that's, yeah. So quick time, you send it over? Yep. Let's wait for Ray. Sonny, come on. You're going, come on, brother. You ready?

I got some fireballs for you. I got you, son. You're going to drink for Epps, Norrie, and for skills. So you got to take three shots. Three shots with a dog. Come on. Represent Haiti, man. Let's see.

Damn, that's crazy. Y'all really got in trouble? No, this is it. No, no, no, no, no, no. You be, me, gee. Like, and the two of my top dudes, too. Not in trouble, but you know, like, you know, like, damn. Yeah, like, damn.

Yeah, because I be, back in the days, I used to do some shots. That heavy, heavy is the head that where is the crown? Polly, up. You have no idea. Here, look, Paco. Look at that. I'll take one with you. What's that?

Fireball. Fireball. You're a bugging. I got to drink. You good? I'm going to try. I'm a try. I'm going to try to make sure you're good.

Make sure we don't drink too much. No, I'm good. And we'll drink some mama. Come on, we'll mix it all over here. That's the bathtub joint right there? Yeah. No, no. My mahog, my mawana pee?

Yo, my wife is something again. She's going crazy to me. She's just, what you're talking about? People did. They tag me all the time. And find that my mawana, DR, wherever. Look, this is that shit. You're fimp drinking.

So many. The Dominicans, that's us, man. All right. Everybody knows the game, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the game. You know the game, right? Yeah, I do. Do you time and time? I definitely do.

All right. Just for anybody listening, doesn't know. We're going to give you two choices. You pick one, we don't drink. We're going to go around. We'll give everybody an opportunity. If you say both or neither, we're drinking. And meaning, I guess, me and Sonny others.

Oh, no, Ray's drinking with us, too. I've been drinking a whole thing. Oh, there we go. So I love the three is drinking. Okay. Okay. All right. So let's see who we got here.

Where'd you send it, huh? Because I don't want to see shit. We got a-tillion text groups, bro. You got that. Oh, there we go. All right. Tupac or DMX? That's easy for me.

Oh, wait, that's the Tupac. Okay. X. We're not going to drink for every single one of them. But we'll let you all answer to. D-Mix. All right. Rest and peace of both.

It's not all universe and so. Yeah. All right. Like, Karras won or Raq Kim? Rock Kim. Oh, my God. Rock Kim off the rip. Not even having to think about it.

I'm going to be honest with you. I was born in the Bronx. I'm going with Karras won. That's the only reason? That's the only reason. I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like they both are like, I feel like it might be Rakim 55,

Carris 1, 45. But I feel like I have a whole bunch of family. You know, my uncles that are, nigg, did you motherfucking put it? Oh, yeah, you're going to get that. KERS one. I don't want to argue with nobody on the Internet. So what you say.

Plus, booking down productions is a shit. As a DJ, I can't even pick. I can't. That's cool. Take a shot. You got to take a shot. You got to take a shot of you on Winklin. No, no, usually that's a drink.

Oh, no. No, no, usually that's a drink. Right. Okay. He said he can't fit. You can drink. Oh. This is my father as a DJ.

Like, okay. I couldn't even do it. Okay. I like that. Nas or Jada Kiss? Jeez. Damn. Hey, man,

Jada Kiss to me is top three rappers ever out of New York, so I'm gonna say Jada Kiss for sure. But you had, no, no, we used to talk about the bigness of, we used to somebody,

we used to about the bigness of the whole game. I don't know, you, subjective versus you. Did you sit down, don't go ahead? He's a Jada kiss. Hey, he's that,

I love you, I'm a man. I'm with you. I was a week we together. Let's go. Zudy. God, son, what up? I got you, bro.

Ray, I'm with you, Ray. Let's go. Anybody else's what he's? Nause. Nause? Yeah, I would say Nause. I couldn't pick one. I think Jada kiss would say Naz.

That's why I said, God, son, what up? Like, that's the first thing that popped in my head. I think he went to you right. Slick Rick or Cool J-Rap? Mm. Not nobody. Slick Rick. Yeah.

Slick Rick. Slick Rick. That first album? Ricky D. The moment I feared. What? Yeah. Mona Lisa.

Do not get a twist. A Kooji rap is the act. Oh, oh, an assassin. But he's acting about dope. I was a kid, I don't understand it. I got to meet with a rock in the best time in my whole rap crew. Kooji rap? Koojee rap won't always rap.

No, he wasn't. No, he was a news crew era. Yeah, nah. Nigga, I would just hang out with him and just wanted him. But he's always been a beat. I love Kooji rap. Always. 80s or 90s hip-hop?

Shit. 90s. 90s. There's nothing ever going to top 90s ever. I agree. No, no, no, no. I think it's hard to say it. No, no, no, no, no.

I'll argue that. 85 and 95. 80, damn, 85 to 95. To me, it falls right in the perfect. That's the pocket. Because I get the Jungle Brothers tribe. I still get, Raq Kim, I still get EP. Well, give you the best of the 90s.

Then I get public enemies. NWA like Lubas, buddy. It's been covered so much. All right, drink. You said both. Go ahead and drink. Yeah, both.

I can't, yeah, Bob. I can't pick. I can't pick. There's nothing like that. 90s, bro. I said 90s. And I love the 80s. Okay.

That was superstar era. Bingo. 90s is when niggas started getting paid off the shit. 90s when niggas started sticking around. Yeah. Nause is still here. Yes.

Hove is still here. Norrie is still here. Like 90s stuck around. Norrie like 97. He was close to 2000. He was close to $2,000. That's right.

No, No, no. You're kicking me on the 90. He's in 19. He wasn't outside. He wasn't outside. He wasn't outside with him. He was maddy came out.

He was inside. He was inside. He was inside. Yeah, yeah. I was in DFO. Uh. Two life crew of Poison. Clan.

Ooh. That's A's Ackoo. Yeah, I said two-lock crew. That was, I don't know the impact of Poison

Clayland. Like I, like, Outside of Miami, I knew two-Lap Ku Koo came first, though, right? Yeah, yeah,

they came before. Yeah, they called Poison Klan, baby two-life crew. Yeah, like, it was like, it was like the little two-lap crew. I was about,

I was about to say two-lap crew. That's what JT Money was in there, right? That's just my niggas. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna pick two-life crew. Okay. Right?

I said two live crew Two live crew But shout out JT money Yeah Hell yeah Coming from New York And Learning bass music

And the first thing you get is that Two Live crew Was something different What's it Like I'm all New York music I'm also But I'm hearing I'm hearing this

I'm like Like they're big Bougar out here You know And the way They were dressing out here too Oh yeah I fucked your head up

Different Nobody Nobody Never won't go back You still ain't go back You still ain't go back I'm not saying fuck your head up.

Like, you're still in. I can't go on that. This one for you first. Okay. Orrell or Timberlin? Come on, man. I'm not fucking doing that. So what are you doing?

Hold on, hold on. No, no, no. If he says it, I'm going with the first one only. Okay. No, wait. He ain't said shit yet. Yeah. I didn't want to drink.

That, I mean, that's, that's the genesis of Virginia, man. I can't, I can't pick. I can't do that. Did you see the Lego movie? Cheers. Yeah, yeah. Cheers, brother.

You know, you know he never told me what I was doing. I know, you told me. And he was like, I'm a Lego man. I listen to talk about that. Tell me I'm in the money. That was the best way to do it. That was the best way to do it. He just called me and just like, have me like answer questions.

No, that was awesome. So, but you know what's fucked up? Like, I think he's so much of a genius that he knows me. He knows if I would have said to me, you're in my Lego movie. I would have tried to. to act like a lego. Yes.

I believe that. You act like a lego. Yes. You would have found it out. There's no way to Google it. I don't know. I'd have to act like a lego. So I've been trying.

I've been doing some shit. So it was, it was great that he did not tell me. Yeah, I can't pick one. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Okay. But how about you?

I'll be honest. I was with both of them this weekend. Oh, wow. Because we were. Yeah, you're flossing on us right. No, no. I'm saying. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Me and Timlin in business together, that's my brother. I met Farrell for the first time because my guy was working with him.

But I'll be honest. I'm going to say Farrell because that's just he's always been my goat. And I always felt like Timlin was the master of one. Like he can take a Missy and focus on that. But Farrell to me was feeding everybody. So I liked, he didn't miss on nothing he put out, right? So for me, I got to give it to him because he just had more variety. but it would be like, if it was a scale of 100, it would be 51, 49, or like 50.5s.

It's really that. But my honest opinion is, I told Ferella, I'm like, bro, you're my favorite producer of all times. He's mine, too. And I don't know if it's because of the chemistry, because, again, I know I said a little bit of this earlier. I sincerely believe that me and Ferrell have nothing in common but music. But music. And it's so much good of the music that's in common that you don't realize. And how much other share you.

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Chad wasn't there either? No, Kat wasn't there. This was like, oh, no, Melvin Flint era, right? And we're just sitting in there. I play him on a Missy record because I had the Swiss do a record with Missy, and Swiss had to beat over, so I played it for him. And we sat there, and I swear to God, for like three hours, we had nothing to say. Awkward.

It was just like, because, just think about it. At the time, we were both single, so, like, he, like, they're, like, like, skinny. like girls like you know I like the hood yeah you know the hood shit like

right it was like he like he like he like the Thai food I like like the yard bond right right

right right you know what and it was just like it was like it was like we were doing the same thing but the opposite direction and it was a

it was a funny thing that we named each other yeah beauty of the beast like it was just like like like we're connected through music and music

our music is so powerful together that it's That's enough. That's enough. That's actually enough. That lets you know how dope music is. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Think about all of the people that you met through music. I think about what I met for real. Like, it was, it was, 48 jeans that was, that was in style. Yeah.

And I was, I was wearing, I was wearing 5x. I might have been 3x, right? Yeah. But I went 5x, right? Right? Because you want to be bigger.

And he was wearing a tight shirt. He was the exact opposite of me. Yeah. That's why it worked. You know, you know, our record was done. Yeah. And the R.

A album was done. was done. He came to, he acts like he, he remembers this, but he acts like, you know, the rich he got the humbler. He's a little. He tried to act, he's not. He wasn't like that for 90s. No producer was, though. No.

I remember, because Rob Walker, his frat brothers, my manager at the time was my A&R, Martin Moore. Right. So I remember, I woke in the studio and I remember his shirt being very tight, very tight. I mean, like, you

know how you notice the first thing about somebody. I was like, I was like, oh. In 97, that was weird. Like, oh, like, oh, weird. Can he breathe? Right? But anyway, it was a person who I'd never heard of, but he spoke to me as if he was Quincy Jones.

And I remember that. I remember remembering that. He was like, yo, listen, people don't listen to me. They'll take a beat for me and so, but they don't listen to me. The person that listens to me is going to go number one. And I said, well, little man, I'm listening. I know I'm not like a genius now

But this is really what happened You got your little shirt Did you? That we're going to say But this is how much of like a genius he was He said to me You can't close your album Because I ain't on it

Because I'm not on it And so I was like Yo, we got room for N-R-E remix So if you listen to Super Thug at the very last end They go N-R-E, N-R-E, the remix I say that Because I was trying to do what Biggie did Remember how Biggie one more chance

Re-mix things out, nothing like completely different. But it grew to his own, it grew to his own liking. I remember playing a record for DJs in penalty records, and you know what they said? This record would never work.

It's too, it's too dark. And I was like, if you knew the person who produced it. Right, right, right, right. Because at the time, you don't understand. You don't understand. Net to them sound, the gags are people who didn't understand what that's going.

And I'm so right. ADP, T-U-N, He has the way he likes to be like one of the best. I'm not realizing that I'm coming off aggressive. I'm not realizing that I'm describing. And they're thinking these dudes is from Queensbridge. No. This dude is a great kid from Virginia

and he's going to be one of the best producers of all times. All time. And there was the best producer team because I cannot exclude Chad. Shout up Chad. You just put out a new rookie. Shout to Chad. Shout to Chad.

You said he's one of the best. You know what's crazy? I'm going to say this and I want to get back in the interview because I don't want to be about me, but I want to just point out how genius he is. My DJ to this day can go to wherever we're at. And my DJ can say, tonight we're doing reggaeton. Tonight we're doing, you know, we're doing this.

We're doing this. He can look at the crowd, and he could tell me, oh, no, no, no, bang, bang is not happening tonight. Right. Shut up, but Trump. T.O. Y ain't working in that. Yeah, yeah, Tia, yeah, Tia, you're super talk, well, what, whoa, whoa, whoa, Homeboy, I came to party.

Oh, no, this is Reel. Right. That's how Farrell and me is into the studio. Like, Farrell will come to me and he'll ask me about my life now. Like, if we were to make music now, it wouldn't be in the studio, even though it would be in the studio. Right. It would be the therapy session that he gives me. Yes.

Yes. That's what makes a producer of a producer. I was just about to say that, because I saw both of them on different nights, and it was like, like, Timerlin, like, he was just to, with Justin Timberlake and they was like, you know, they just in the studio, chilling, they were like, yo, we got Ray here, played a music. And it was like, they were selling it to me like, like, this is not Justin Timberlake right here dancing. Like you need to sell it to me.

Like it's like, it's a desire. It's like, I can't breathe if y'all don't love this shit. Peril, same shit. I get, first time meeting them. We talked for two, three hours and this niggas just convicted. And it's like, that nigger will make you think you could swim the Atlantic motherfucking ocean if you just listen to him. But that's, but let me say something.

But that's what Quincy made Michael feel. That's a perfect example. That's greatness in the room. We don't have that anymore. Let me tell you how good for where all is. Well, there's still a lot. We've got that still. No, no, we're not nurturing it.

Let me give you another example of how good for all is, right? Jaru is on fire. For lack of a better term, Jaru is but next tornado. I got the 500 bins. He got the Mayback. I got the H-2. He has three. I got the next to 1230 drops up.

He got the fire, honey. He got the same version of what I got. The upper version. The upper. I got to draw through this everything. So I'm like, yo, I'm like, I need a Jaru record. I need a record for the girls. Mm-hmm.

I go get a record. I go to Erv Gadi. Erv Gidey charges me out the wazoo. Off top. No family price. None of that. None of that. He knows my budget.

He's on Def Jam. I'm on Def Jam. There's no fighting around it. I know you got the budget, Norrie. I'm not robbing you. I'm robbing them. Yes. But I got to pay for it.

Yes. I go, I do this illustrious video. That was, it was here. Ditties dear. Exetercees all over place. I mean, there's my ecstasy. It was a big budget video. EFM board it for me.

Yes. Yes. And I know, I bought it. You bought it. Here's my junk dealer back in the day. He's trying to deny Little Big Day. Little Big Day. Little Big Day. So I'm falling for what's happening

in hip-hop. Jaroon is killing the fucking... It's a good song and good video. Jaroos killing the game. I'm gonna do that. So I'm following. What I see, this is what I literally drive home every night. I have four cars. He has four cars. He has this to the better four versions. It's like, why? Did you go to it and say, I want the better version of what noise has? Okay. All right, boom.

So I follow, I said, I need a job rule record. I need a job rule record. I go, I go make this video out of Miami. Oh, man, we, we drank. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't throw a million on me. It was up there, man. But it was up there. He said, up there.

We don't care now, bro. Shit, that still hurts me. So, Lear comes, and Lear says, most CEOs say, when I want to meet with you, come by yourself, right? Leo says, I want you I'm doing Leo impressionation. I would like you to bring all your friends. What? Good stuff.

I'm like, okay. That's so dope. Okay. I want you to bring all your friends and meet me at the right track. So I go to right track. I'm like, oh, cool. All my friends is in the video

that he's about to play. So he's playing the video. All of my friends are sitting there like, ooh, they see it themselves in Lamborghinis. They see it like, you know, this is Norrie trying. trying to go pop. This is my sunshine. I don't realize to.

I need a more to love. Leor's the only one straight stone face. We're all loving it. Oh, yeah. I remember Shorty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got a number that night? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all reminiscing. The video stops. Leo says, how do you like that video? I said, I love it. He said, it's popcorn.

Oh, my. to my face, you even want to text that? Hold up a second. Hold your shot, bro. Hold your shot, bro. He said, he said, it's popcorn. By the way, before this, I did not know popcorn was a bad thing. So I was like, word, popcorn was good to me.

Popcorn ain't never been fucked up to me, right? So I was like, yo, do I got butter? You got butter? Like butter, a little bit of salt, he's like, it's popcorn. So I was like, oh, shit. And he goes to me, this is, I love to tell the story. He goes to me.

Norrie, if I cut you right now, what would you bleed? And I go, blah? He goes, cool. Now ask me the same question. And I go, okay, Lear. If I cut you right now, what would you bleed? He goes, run DMC, sucker MC will come out my blood right. now. Now, Norrie, I'm going to ask you a question one more time. If I cut you right now,

where would you bleed? Super thought. Exactly. Ferrell's waiting for you in Virginia. Exactly for us waiting for you were in Virginia. So Farrell calls me as soon as I go into car service, I have to go to Virginia this night. So I go to car service. They already have vanilla ice plan. Rolling. Go to Jesus. Whatever I'm like, what am I being set up for? For a girl, he's on the phone.

He's like, listen, on the way to the Virginia, I want the first hour to have first two hours, I want you to listen to this song. I'm like, you want me to listen Ice, Ice baby. Like, what world am I turning down? Like, where am I going with this? Come to find out, that's what

Holla, holler back, younger came out to be. Rolling. I'm sitting there. I'm halfway through Virginia. I'm probably in Delaware somewhere I said, man, we got to come up with something else. Just ain't going to work. I can't hit that flow. Even though I got the whole, and this was

fabulous, hollaback young and wind up being hollaback young and. So he says to me, go get Jungle Brothers. What's that right? JVs, you know nothing is the J.Bs. Listen to my uncle sad, Mike G. say what? That join the slam. With his manager Chris, that join the slam.

5,000. Boom and Watts. system. State of the arts. Now listen to my record. In all, five, B. Say what? That niggas is the man with his manager Chris in the label the jam. Still flossing. So on your watch. Ain't you dudes hurry, grab me, man. He made me bit the whole flow.

So every time I see the gentleman about this. So yeah, every time I see the joke about it, I thank them. Because I didn't take none of their lyrics. Only lyric I kept was Manager Chris. No, no, Manager Chris. Oh, yeah, Manager Chris. They say the manager Chris. And it's the same as that manager.

I just say that, to say that, yeah. To say that, Leo said, Norby needs to go back to his essence. And Farrell had options for me. Like, Hollerback Youngen was the first. So question, did you even try Hollaback Younger? Yeah, I did. Oh, no, delay it?

No, hell no. I kept thinking of vanilla ice is right behind me and shit. And I kept, like, he had the 5.0, like the Mustang right here. With a cassette tape, like, like, he was rewinding it. It was in my mind. I actually told him this story. He didn't like it. I said, everyone, you were there.

I actually told him. And I realized I said, oh, I don't think this story's good for him. But I say that to say, that's how much of a producer, a grade of a producer he is. He knew how to have me in the pocket when I wasn't even in front of him. Right. He knew what I needed at that moment. And that's what I feel like. people like Timberlin provide

people like Swiss Bezbovai people like Ferrell provide people like Dr. Dre like being in the studio with Dr. Dre, I've been in the studio for 25 years I realized I didn't know shit I told you. I told you you will learn more in one session with Dr. Dre than you will learn in every session

It's a reason why he's caught the goat and listen I remember at one point he had me in the studio he was like I'm gonna torture you Norrie I was like man I ran a marathon brother I'm pretty much prepared for torture I am not going to quit at all and I tell you what

all the records I've ever recorded that's the clearest I've ever sounded the clearest I ever sounded I say that because we don't know we're going off track so I want to make some noise from bro. Did you answer Ferrell Timberlin? I like your little forrell story

by the other than I'll go with Timela I'm a little forrell through it. A lot of little things going on. A lot of little shit pop. What you said? I know that. That's the good.

Yeah, no. I just want to tell you something. So when that video comes out, I just want to give you perspective of a, I was at home. Wait, Super Thug? No, no, no, no. The record, for a... Hollaback young or a home boy? I came to party.

Okay. I've been drinking some chill. So I remember watching it from a fan standpoint, and it was like, we always looked at you. I remember me and my best friend. We were like game time like we're doing it right now. We just didn't know shit. And I remember there was a scene with you and Jaru in it, and it was like, you look so fucking happy.

And I remember we was like, man, that's just like Jaru doing for him. We fucking J. And it's like, you're kind of like watching the plays happen. And I was like, but like it was like he, why didn't he get on a fucking song? No, no, no, he's my neighbor at the time. He's my neighbor at the time. This way he had the better cause than me.

Yes. But I was going to say, that's when that's just rubbing it in my face. But that's also a time when you can just stand next to somebody and that was enough. And it meant some. And it meant something. Well, a co-sign without being a cosign. That's what I was really trying to get at. He co-signed you.

And my thing, you were put a little hitmaker. Right, right, right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was like cosigned. So that's what it was. What was the record?

It worked. What was the record for the video you shot for that he was, the Leo, it's out. It's out. It's out. I don't want you to Google it, but. It's a good record. Because now I look at it.

But you know what it is? It is a pop record. And you know, it is a pop record. And you know what it is? Now I can't unhear what Leor told me. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Like, if you were to ask me and Lear would have never told me that,

I would have been like, this is good to see Norrie, like, showing some growth. Like, I wasn't smoking no blunts in there. Like, we were drinking Hennessy on the side, but there's no Hennessy in the actual video. And we were trying to be elegant, but he's like, and this is what Leo told. This is another thing he told me. It hurt my feelings very much. But I was glad that he said it to my face. He said, I invested into Norrie and compartmental.

in Norriega. I did not invest. I already have a vestment in Jaru. He wasn't wrong. Yeah, he was basically saying you made a Jaru record and you're trying to be Jaru. That's exactly what it was. By the way.

Oh, it heard it. By the way, that's what it. Oh, it heard it. It heard it. Sometimes you want a text message like that. Like that, bro. Can you wait too later? Right.

But he said it to my face. Let me say this. That's what a gaykeeper does. Yeah. And that's what made Norie great and that's why he's here 30 years later. But guess what? If I didn't do that, I wouldn't have homeboy. I came to party. He's doing the whole thing.

He told him a hard truth. Him being honest what you're telling you fucking get better, made you get better. No, it wasn't get better. It was, this image ain't you. And this ain't what I invested in. How many execs are going to do that now? Yeah, nobody.

Ain't happening. And that's why music sucks. Yes, that joke. Damn. That's my music sucks. All right. Let's get back to quick time, guys. Okay, my bad.

I'm having mad fun, by the way, guys. Let's go. Scarface Ice Cube. Ice cute. Man, Scarce. Man, nice, Cuba. I mean, I, Scroface, too, as well. Cube.

Yeah, but Cube is like, I'm going to be honest. Space in your top five, though. Of course. You see that. Cube, no, no, no, nigga. No, nigga, no, nigga. I see you. Cube will want me to tell the truth.

You did my show, and he fucks with me. Right. Scarface. Yeah. I remember, like, from fucking the ghetto boys, all that shit. Scarface, man, that fucking the Fix album, bro. The Fix is dumb. I understand how classic is one of my favorite albums of all time.

My block record is crazy. That shit make, bro. That shit make you. I feel better. Yeah, I would say Ice Cube, even though when I met him, he was a little standoffish. But that's Cube, though. Yeah, yeah. I expected, I was like, that's cool as fuck him.

I was like, cool as fuck him. You still don't fuck him, man. So it wasn't like the run shit. But Cube, NWA Cube going through the bomb squad and all that. Yeah. So, man. Now, but let me reiterate some shit because you just, you just said that. And I've been wanting to say this for a long time.

People don't realize how new the fixed album is. This didn't come out. No, it's a big. This was recent. I worked that record. I was working for Def Jam back there. He had the baggie in there. Yes.

I ain't going to lie when that album came out. I had the promotional. I had the promotional copy because I was on Dev Jammer that time. And I remember... You were about to try it out? No, no. I just remember saying... It's not good, man.

I just remember saying... I told you a long time ago. If this shit resonates, because at that time, this is when the phrase OG started to really resonate. And we... We know that sometimes they, some people call you OG. It wasn't a good thing at all.

Not to me. And they don't really mean it. Yeah. Now that's true. They're calling you old. No, it was a derogatory term. Old guy. I despise.

It wasn't coming with no respect. Right. I despise the word OG sometimes. When a person say OG, I just look at them. I say, yeah, well, how old are your moms? Like, I immediately, like, because you know, your mom and me and your arms are OG in it together. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, yeah what I mean?

OG in the streets, you're a shot called. OG's in music? Oh, Gia music's not good. Yeah, that's it. Oh, head? Forget about it. Oh, that's like, oh, that's my old old old. That's my old joan.

That's my old joan. You know, that's my old head. Oh, right. And listen, if a person's one year older than you, then you, then you stop calling him the big homie. Yes. Because all you just said, he got more money than you. Yes.

That's what you're really saying. When somebody say big homie, I already know they might ask for a favor. Yo, what's up, big homie? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah.

I hit your motherfucker. All right. Hold on. The Nause and J battle or cannabis battle? Nause and J. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're at worst. If I'm up there's going to look at me like, you better say the word.

Nog and J was the height of. Yes. Yes. Nause and J. Nah, ZNJ. All right. EPMD or the clips? Damn.

Bro. That's too much. Shit. Bro, sixth grade. Two different errors. His hands up. Sixth grade, I go to IS 183. They were shooting the scene from juice at the Blue Flame Lounge.

The battle? No. The robbery scene. Oh, because, yeah. Oh, yeah. At the bar and the bar and the bar. Yeah. I was that day, the entire middle school ran from IS 1883 to the Blue Flame Lounge to get a

with Eric Sermon. Man, I love Eric Sermon. And, uh... Yeah, EPMD. But I mean, but... You at this table? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. The first... The first one... The first one I love... I asked Eric to move from New York to it when it was Eric Serman. He moved a bridge shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow.

He had a rim shot. I don't know. I'm going to say... I'm going to say... I'm going to say... Yeah. Shout up to Bernard. Yeah, I'm going to talk.

I'm going to talk. It's always the A... ... Eric Sherman. I'll say... I've never really said this. Eric Sermann, stop saying Sherman. He knows I'm dyslexia.

He knows I'm dyslexia. This is 25 years. It's dyslexia, man. Let me tell you something. I see Bernard and Eric Sherman together at Fat Joe party. Eric Sermon, Sermon, together at Fat Joe party. Bernard looked just so annoyed because Bernard wanted to get so drunk and Eric is sitting there.

And I'm looking like, No, I'll go ahead and get another drink. Eric is like, listen, I know the fun police when I see it. Eric Sherman, you'll become the fun police. You need to mix it up and get a little Shirley Temple so you look like you're drinking. But boy, you can't be in a Fat Joe party having fun and you're just sitting around with your green-ass eyes. Look at my house. You got to have some fun, Eric Sherman.

Shout out to Eric and Eric. Making dog. I love it. Green-eyed man. You know, your time, let's go have a birthday. Yo, and you listen, let me just tell you Sunday. Fat Joe was on stage for two hours, brung out everybody, right? The first time I've ever seen this in my life.

He won. He had on a rain suit. He had on a suit that was rain proof. Rain never hit him, the hope, for two hours. Hot pink, yes. Rain never hit him. Fire. Wow.

Came down and it was like God was just saving his spot. He did it. But then he tried. he tried to get me to come on stage. I went to the bathroom at the right time. Let's make some noise. Joe, I want to perform. Let me tell you, he's other out of a funeral fact.

He was going to work. This year, every year he gets me every year. Every year, I say, yo, Joe, I'm not performing. And for some reason, I'm always right in the wrong spot. Fucking sitting there with some tuna fits or something. Hey. And he goes, no, he gets me on the stage. All right, cool.

I get me every year. This year, I went to the bathroom at the perfect time. I stood there for a little while. I washed my hands longer than inspected. And I came out and my music was gone. He was like, he was like, you hid for me. I was like, no. I'm a human.

I'm a human. I got a peepie. So, but big up that party, man. I got to see Meli Mel. I said that earlier. It's always good to see the OGs. It's always good. And he had his, he had to drink.

He had a nice woman with him. He was happy. I see Melie Melie Mel. see Alan Abison. Scorpions out there too. I'd force some D's. Jimmy Jam, which one was them?

Jimmy Jam. I was with the Pops. I was with the Pops of the Burson. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, man. It was a really wonderful party. Me and J. DeKitt.

Yeah. Yeah, me and Buster. Me and Jada Kis got the kick. It got the, it was in New York. It was in New York. Yeah. And then, yeah.

So I love, I love, like, I said this earlier. I said this earlier because people that came before our generation, they really looked at their age. They really, like, right now, it's like, I know someone said this. Like they said about Jeter's like, oh, Dame, I believe said this.

Like, no one's ready for a 60-year-old rapper. I kind of am. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, we are. I kind of am. A generation. That's the thing of hip-hop. We were rolling together.

The audience is there. The one thing I loved about 4-444 was, you know, the same way I judge my kids, my kids judge me. So my kids watch what I'm, you know, they look at. Right. What is old man looking at?

Yeah. Who is listening at? You know, I know what they say. I know what they say behind my back. But 4444 was one of those albums where I didn't turn it down or look around. No, it was one of those albums where I was like he acted his age. I forget the, uh, the Nause and Hip Boy joint. Like I, I didn't turn.

King's disease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like these people that are acting their age. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I love that. I love it. I believe, um, who the hell? who the hell? Who the hell is went at Drake the other day for going on that dating app? Was it Wayne? Dating app or the speed dating he did? Yeah, the same shit, ready?

No, no, no. All right, we offer that, brother. Somebody went that Drake for going on that date and that? It's this 21 and done where you date 21 girls and they have to 20 verse 1. 20 verse 1, yeah, yeah, yeah. And someone critiquing Drake for doing that. And I understand that point It's like I believe it was Wayno

And he said that Why would another man care about What another man doing as far as dating? No, because it's like a dating thing It's like a dating thing That's what I'm talking about That don't got nothing to do with music Or nothing else

Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah But he laid out a campaign Everybody in the hallway now man Let me just take the back Of grass Kids everybody We all go to high school

All right Let's get back a quick time Bro y' y'all fucking you up man All right You need clips All right The source of double Xll

The source. Source. The source. The source was the Bible. I had a whole page on the cover. I'm going to double the top. The source was this

before we had this. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that's very important. Just Blaze or Knots? Knots. V.A. Just Blaze.

Damn. Get out of. All right. Young Miami or Lotto? Who? I ain't got nothing to do with this. The way. They just looked at me.

I'm out of this. You know. I want to hear what you done. What? What? What? They rap is a young Miami. Yeah.

Are you fucking harassing. What? I like. You know, where all my scateman and then. That's a young. Yeah. City girl. Citi girl.

City girl. Okay. One of the city girls. And then who's the other girl? Lotto. Oh, Lotto. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like Lotto.

Okay. We got the biggest hit. I'm going with Lado. Lotto. That don't matter. Oh, yeah, that's right. And you know what's something that we didn't say earlier? Did you want to say something?

He said a lot. That we didn't say earlier is we spoke about the kings of New York. And we said that both kings were females. Queens. Queens. Both kings were queens. They were actually queens. Not any king of them.

We did not speak about whether you agree with stripper hip hop or whatever they call this now, drill, you know, dance music. Drill strip. Whatever, whatever you You just talk about. That should be a job. We have never had females dominating, like how they dominate it right now. I am proud of our female

counterparts. They are out there. They're telling you to eat their pussy and sit like that. Crazy. Like, yeah, I'll ride your face motherfucker. You want to start with that, but baby girl? I do agree.

They are running it right now. They are running it right now. Like, I, I enjoy. I enjoy it. I enjoy. It's crazy. Lottos, sweeties, Cardi B's.

Wait, what's your... Go ahead, every time we talk, I'm always trying to feel funny. Hey, you know about something like that. No, you kill yourself, but anyway. Go ahead. It's so funny, because Slam was talking about earlier,

the king in New York, and you guys named the ladies. Because they were. I respect that. And he stayed quiet. Who is the king of Miami right now? And maybe... Maybe you might feel like them.

It's a girl. No. Because it might be young Miami right now. The king of- Oh, she's king of scamming ass niggas. I'll take you. She's bad. You got to put it out of a couple.

You got to see somebody being like and I'm looking like, holy shit. It's that. All right, okay. All right. So who's the king of Miami? Who's the king of Miami? Who's the king of Miami?

No, for real. Rick Juan. We asked, we wait for men. Are we talking about females? Who got them? Who running that? It could be a female male, yeah. I'm sorry, Rose.

Bose is the king of Miami, bro. Rose is the king of Miami. He's rolling it down. Whether you like it or not, whether you talk about him or not, whether you don't like where he came from or not, period. He is the man. Yes, he's the man. And he knows how to make records, man.

And he can wrap his ass on his ass off, man. He can rap. He don't get enough credit for the balls. He can rap. Yeah. I don't think nobody will ever take the crown off of Katrina. Oh, that's a great point. I forgot.

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Adam Scott, this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect, I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, I was like, is that weed?

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let's also big up Luke, man. Luke is doing something. Like Luke can be, you know why I love Luke? Let me just say why I love Luke. He could host KOD on Monday and run for Congress on Wednesday. And by the law That's called

And it all makes sense And guess what? He ain't faking either one You can be both, man You can be both, man That's called balance That's called balance Luke's supposed to my bachelor party

I would hate if he was still doing The same fucking thing he did when he was 21 All right He ain't learned But he can But he can I got to do an auto- But he do a other shit too

I got to do an honorable mention because he killed it. Hold on. He killed it the other day coming out of that Outcast, was the Outcast 30, and he came out with that perm. David Banner. Man, if we don't salute David Banner right now. Yeah, let me say the definition of balance.

Yes. He is a definition. He is, let me tell you something. If something black happens, he's one of the first people I'm going to think of. Him, Talim, Kuali, I'm sorry. This is how I think of y'all. Yeah.

I love the boat. He's in time. I'm going to call Tal Lim. I'm going to call David Banner. But guess what? Guess what? I still go to the strip club with David Banner. Yes.

I'm still going to, and guess what? Even though I'm going to strip clubs. But for some reason, I feel like David Banner's be a fun. You would go to the strip club with Tal Lippe and Khali? Absolutely. Absolutely. But they've got to be Brooklyn and they got to be hats only. Right.

The stripper got to wear hats. All right. I went to fall. I went to talk. Stop your shit, man. And honorable mention, Honorable mention from our era Our Queen, too, is Mother Superior, man.

I feel like... Yeah, man, you've been holding Mother Superior down, man. She's a big girl from our era. We go kind of furl us back. Way back. Mother Superior. Like, man, I've been dumbed ditching for you here. Leave me alone, man.

Me? That was 80 for me. That was 89 for me. Oh, yeah. When she started... Yeah. When she started... Kind of came out in 94-95.

Hey, yo, yeah, yo, if you're playing around. Don't leave Kia out of this. That's not Miami. Kia or Kaya. Damn. Say, the EF. a minute going to tell you what you're fucking Miami. Wait, I see shit.

Hey, my house are, though. Honest or lost boys. Oh. And y'all, Queens, you Queens, Queens, Queens, Queens, Queens. Queens, Queens, Queens. I'll take a shot for that. Damn, you're taking a shot? I would take a shot.

I'm not drinking, but I would take a shot. I'm going to. Oh, wait. He's not, we're not taking shots because of him. Hold on, I can answer. Yeah, you can answer. I got to go lost boys because I'm factoring in Mr. Cheeks solo career. As you should.

So I don't know I'm going to lost boys. But Onyx had a way bigger culture of, onyx had niggas cutting their hair off. Yeah. Like, straight the fuck up. Like, I feel like Ones inspired that, the scene from, what's the movie, Spike Lee movie? The first one.

With all, everybody at the ball hit up, I feel like that was school days. School days. Yeah. Everybody that was buying. You know what I knew it was bad? And it crushes my soul when I had to watch Run DMC look like Onyx. That hurt me being a Run DMC fan, but I knew how. But you knew this shift had been changed.

Honest impact was like that. It was Jim Master Jay who discovered that. Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. And it's something I had to learn on my own, right? I knew Jack Master's Discover. My friend. I get it.

I had to tell you, at one point, at one point I could not get shows in America. But then it was a point right before that point happened where I was getting shows, but I was getting shows outside. Let me just tell you something. There ain't nobody bigger than Alex, overseas. Oh, nigger. I'm talking about Russia. They stay overseas. I'm talking about that door your guys in the air.

That's a universal language. Nothing like it, bro. It's a universal language. Nothing like it, bro. Slam went far. Yeah. Yes, yes. Listen, listen to me.

With that Moss Pit culture and all that shit, they were ahead of their time. Yeah, they were heading their time. They were heading time. They were heading time. They were headed a day time. They predicted, like rock and roll and hip hop were classed just as one DFC did. But like, we just had Buppet Sparks over here. And now we can't even tell country music from hip hop.

We can't like, because it's so much can bond. But let me just tell you something. Everywhere I went with Onyx on tour, I was a little man. I'm going to tell you the truth. I couldn't get weed in Russia. I couldn't get weed in Belgium. I couldn't get weed. The biggest knew how to get weed everywhere.

Because you know why? This was a 10th time at these countries. I went to weird countries with these motherfuckers. They had these sprinters out before sprinters was a, they had they had their shit. They've been overseas touring because they had something special. Meaning you get hot in America and then you trickle over to Europe. Yes. They were one of the only groups that was hot in America.

Europe, Japan, Middle East, all at the same time. Yeah. I got to see this shit and I got to, I got to play a back seat. I have never, I've never closed. I did one time. I've, no, I closed with him.

I have never went, I've never closed after Onyx. I just came, I've always been before, and guess what? I appreciate that. Yeah, they was just overseas. I appreciate it. I appreciate that. L.S.1, the DJ.

We've seen him the other day. L.S1. People need to go Google them, look them up, bro. Like, they were cultural effect. At Fredro, I just seen you on, I forget what it was, and he broke down, he did a freestyle about the tunnel, that shit literally

gave me chills. Like, I don't know how you remember all that. He did a movie, he did a movie, but still, like, I thought you would give all of your information towards the movie, towards the soundtrack, but he did a whole, he still had more shit left over. And the way he broke down the tunnel, I was literally there.

I literally smell my timbulins. I literally smell my razors. You know how, that's how, that's how powerful your brain is. You could look at a lemon on TV and then smell it. Yeah. That's how powerful your brain is. That motherfucker, he made me smell feet. We're going in weird things.

Yeah, I'm still looking, all right. That's how good friends go with. Yeah, and I wasn't drinking. Yeah. All right. Just, oh, no, we said that. All right. Ross and Trick Daddy.

As for y'all. And that's for you too. That's for you. That's for you, Miami, if I can answer, I'll say this. Oh, my bad. I'm going to be honest, man. I think Teflon Don is a top 15 hip-hop out of all time.

Like, I think Rick Ross is one of the most gifted rappers. I think the reason why he's here this long is because he's that gifted with his pen. Like you said, there's a whole lot of other stuff that people talk about, and the character he plays now, you know, the over-the-top. but Teflon Don, I got to go with him. Without, without Ross seeing Trick succeed, Ross would have never thought he could have succeed. That's a great point.

So I'm going to have to say Trick for the OG status. That's real time. I have to say Ross. Okay. You know what I mean? I've seen both for them from beginning to right now. Right. But, man, Ross.

Ross. Ross, that nigga. Ross. You know some people say, he's our Biggie Smothers here? Yeah, he is. He is. I refuted that at first, but I believe it now. Yeah.

I believe it now. And by the way, Ross has a top 10, in my opinion, rap catalog. I'm not to my emcee, but I'm talking about when you look at those paintings you put on the wall, the smaller paintings, I'm telling you. From a catalog standpoint, he's up there, up there. Like, I can see that. I'll tell you this. Trick. I believe Trick hasn't found his

He hasn't found his pocket In the podcast game Yes Cooking shows off the chain Cookie shows is dope But I'm gonna tell you like this To me As far as hip-hop personalities

Trick has one of the best Personality He's a marriage Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me see. If rappers were wrestlers, if rappers' personas were wrestlers. Oh, yeah. Hold on. He would be in.

No, they would. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, but Rick Rossney, uh, Ted DiViase, million dollar man over the time. That's great. That's great, that's great. Rick Ross me's landing in his gen on his way to the fight and shit. The persona. He got a big persona.

Yeah, yeah. Trigg will be ratty, righty, righty, biper. Yo, let me say something. Trick. You're right. You're right. That thing is a good. I say that about college, too.

I'll say that about college. Collin can sell me anything. Collin can sell me ketchup, a ketchup icicle with white gloves on. And I know everyone will make a mess and I'll still do it. But Trick, trick has a personality that is unmatched. Even when he says the wrongest shit,

it works. I kind of be like, word up. It works. I kind of be like, I understand what you're going from. It just works. I was like, AKA chick, the Aks I was like, y'all know who the fuck y'all bought, that is Trick Daddy.

Oh, yeah. You know, I'm mad at you for doing what he did. One of my favorite times. Like, I ever was recorded in Love and Hip Hop. Like, to tell you the truth, it wasn't for Ray J. And if it wasn't for Trick Daddy, I would have never kind of like survived Love and Hipop. They kind of like guided me through it because I was up

on Love and Hipop with love. Like, I wasn't with the bullshit. I wasn't going to be throwing, you know, and shit like that or getting naked. So we went to play a spays game. And, you know, I realized this off top. South people play space way different than New York people play space. So they were running, I mean, they ran amok on me, the first two hands.

I could not stand that. I was like, so I learned their game. I was like, all right, cool. And I learned their game, and I learned it three more hands. So the next three hands, I won. The cameras is on us. Trick Daddy, he leans over to me and he says, oh, man, an old bag of cocaine just fell out. Allegedly.

Live on cameras. This, I'm talking about this seven, this loving hip-hop. This seven cameras, there's no way you don't catch this shit, right? So I'm looking, and it's too much. It's like, you know how you can hide something? But it's like, it's too much to hide. So I'm looking, I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, ha.

He played this shit off so good. And then like, if he would have just went like this, they would have really, like, focused in on it. So he's like, ha. I'm looking at him like, what the fuck? And Drake just like, and like, on that boat. And he put it on camera. He went like this.

And they all look like cut. Oh, I said, damn, now I know how you get them to cut. Yeah. Yeah. They can't air it at. No, listen, bro. I think Trick Daddy is responsible for me trying a bunk L. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

Let's talk about that book. What's the bunk? That's that cold. The thing. That's what you're there. We're cooking the dirtiest of the weed. So I'm DJ in a party. He just said it.

He just said it. That's what he led with. It doesn't give a certain. That's how you're being turned. Remember you spoke to your dog? This is your last. This is when I was Epster. Okay.

I'm Dijing in a party. Back in the days, back in Kendall, matter of fact. Oh, shit. And I like to smoke me back in a day. He passed me as my blonde. I'm like, okay. What he trix? Passed it?

Yeah, you couldn't smell it before he passed it? Or he passed it? No, no, because I'm high. I'm in my zone. Pass it back. The fuck is this? What is this? His BPA.P.

His BPA. I look at Trick through the crowd and he's just sitting there like this. I'm like, What was that you passed me? I was a boonk L. I'm like, no, you just didn't give me that, man. And yeah, but I wasn't, so I'm still fucking shit up.

Yeah, that was a, yeah, trick. That was called a boonk L when they do that down there. Not in a day, it's called a bunk out. Yeah. No, what's the name? They didn't go to a dirty. A dirty, dude, dude. You used to go to this club called Sobe Live, right?

And only other, like, only other rapper that would be there just as much was Trick. So Trick would have one side of the club and we would have the other side of the club. I would know where Trick is in there immediate. You can smell it. Because he's like, I like, oh shit, Trick's here. Like, there's no. You know when Coke is burning. There's no.

It's in the air. And by the way, this is how you know Miami is a special place. So I was like, man. So one of his friends, because I don't want to say his name, but when I was like, man, that shit, y'all think is, y'all be bugging. You know, in Miami, cocaine is more healthier than weed. I was like, this is the only place in the world. Somebody can say that. A person will try and try to make sense of it.

He's like, cause, and when y'all get your weed, it'd be all type of pesticides on your shit. And us, we get it pure. And I was like, that's a great case. That's a great case, but I'm still going to take my risk with the pesticides. You said, so we live. I remember Monaco was screaming. I'm like, tell him to stop smoking that shit. Oh, yo.

Oh, yes. Yeah, trick, trick is, trick is. You're being in the VIP smoking. Yeah, they didn't care. Yeah, he doesn't care. If you let trick in your club, you know what that comes from. That's like having snooper around. Yeah.

Got it. I get it. All right, guys. Rayquan or ghost face? Rayquon for me. Raycon. Uh, Rayquan. Preimo or Pete Rock?

Mm. Damn, Primo. I love Pete, though, but Primo. May I have to take a shot, sonny. Okay, all right. Don't make Sunny taking a shot, please.

He's taking a Baba, Coo. Cheers. Take it Baba Cool. I got you back. Pete Rock is my dude. I love that guy. He's awesome, man.

Nino Brown or Bishop? What? Rolls. Rolls. Rolls. Villains? Disney villains? Yeah, villains.

Nino Brown. Yeah. I would say, Nino, right? I love character, so this is no question. You ever look at a film and you laugh at something that you know you're not supposed to laugh at? You feel like you're a fucked up person for laughing at.

That's a good thing. The funniest part in Juice to me is when he walks up in the club, and says, yo, Rahim is dead. Somebody shot him. I don't know. I don't know. It's like he's saying it like because he shot him. He killed him.

So imagine killing somebody and going to your men who knows who killed him and says, yo, Rahim is dead. Somebody shot him. And he's looking at him like, nigger, you killed him. Like, so I will say pop. Because to me, I don't know why that's just funny me. I don't know why it's funny. You ever got the meat park?

I met him in the elevator once at Jack the rapper in Atlanta. The same Atlanta where I met Q's Tibet. He got on the elevator with a walkaway on him. Remember walk away? Yeah, we had her on here. Yeah, Dick Vass. And I was just like, oh shit, that's Tuba. I was telling my man.

I was like, that's Tupac. He was like, what? I was like, Tupac. We looked. And he looked at us. He was like, what? up and we was like, what's up? Pock? He was like, chilling, chilling. And I want

to say, you know, the elevator went up and he got off and we was like, nigga, that was like, I had in the fact, but yeah, I met him one time, like, this is random. That's pre-death-Roeck. Pre-Death row, this was in a scope. I got a baby. Yeah, yeah. Did you get a chance

to meet DeFroll Park? No. Okay. No, no, no. I never met no version of me. I wish I said. I wish I wish I said. When the homies call Tupac, Stupac, strictly for my niggas, Tupac. I know one of the outlaws had hit me and was, and he was just asking me, he's like, yo, you always ask, like, certain questions about Pott.

And I just want to, like, make it clear. The reason why I asked, like, people thought I met Pock because I'm, like, right after and I did L-A-L-A. And he dissed you without saying your name. He dissed me without saying my name. Like, he said, Marf Deep and you other niggas. I was like, I'm the other niggins. I made it, wow.

I want to say fuck nor. That's stupid. She didn't want this would be. So people think I met Pac, but I never met Park. Never? I never, but I met Big. And I tell you, I'm sorry to bounce around and be all over the place. Big was one of the best people I've ever met.

Yeah, no. Like, he was like, like, for lack of a better term, a man saying this. Like, he was like a sweet person. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I stepped to him, we was in the tunnel, ironically. And I said to him, I said, you know, we just represented for you. We just did L.A.A.

where we went back at, you know, the state of New York. And he looked at me, and years later, it makes so much sense now. It didn't make sense to me. Then I looked at him. He was just like, yo, bro, we're not going to use that. Because remember, this was a time

where the bad boy was doing mixtap. So remember, Bad Boy had the Clue mixtape. Yeah. And we missed the clue mixtape being that we were from Queens. Right. So Stretch Armstrong was doing that mix tape. Stretch Armstrong did divergent. Yes, the Stresor Armstrong did the version that we was on.

But Big told us straight up. Big was like, yo, I'm not going to use that. because what they're accusing me of, I didn't do. And if I co-sign y'all shit, then it would be basically like, you know what I mean? Like, he's addicted to East Coast and West Coast shit. Like, that's how smart he was. I didn't know that at that time. So I was like, damn, big, big is bugging.

So we threw the record out, and the record worked anyway. Right. And he didn't stand next to it. I remember Prodigy, and I said this before, but I'll say it again. I'm Prodigy called Steve Rifkin. And Steve Rifkin called us and said, Prodigy will not be a part of this record, you have to erase them.

Us at the time, we was on penalty records. Penalty records could not fight no fucking loud records. And we couldn't fight Mar-Deepe. Well, Caboena Noriega couldn't fight in the Mar-Def, so we had to literally take him off the record. The night before we shoot the video, hit him up, drops. Prodice calls back, please, we'll be back on the record. Crazy.

I never knew that. So if you look at the video, Prodigy's verse is not on the video. But it was the day before Hit him up, drop. And listen, we was on 12th Street, 41st side of 12th Street of Queensbridge. We wasn't admiring it.

But we were listening to that shit at least 21 times. Wow. And we were like, damn. And I was like, you sure he ain't say Capone or no, yeah? Come on, man. And he was like, and you other niggas.

I was like, fuck, we're the other niggas, man. Like, it's almost make you feel like then. We're not there. Yeah. If I get Pock to say my name, we're not there. But I sincerely believe, had Pock still been alive, I believe that was, is a person, then I would have got a long way. Yeah, I can see that.

Yeah, that I would have got a long way. Here, Sonny, you have to know right here. Purple hair or gray hair. Don't tell me. Talk to the people. Can I cut Drake or Drake? Can I catch? Drake or Drake?

Oh, man. Go ahead. Give your opinion, man. My opinion, dude. Drake. Drake is a Scorpio. I'm a Scorpio. You want to date him, bro? You didn't even get him a question.

No, he did ask him. He gave the question and asked you the question. He gave the question and asked you the question. We already know what Ray going to say. What I'm going to say? What I'm going to say? I don't know. I don't.

He can say whatever he wants. I'm going to say Kendrick. Right. I love me. I love Ray. You say I'm lying. You say I'm lying. I love you, dude, dude.

You, you, I want you to say, you're going to say Drake? Yeah. Okay. I think Drake, because I didn't, I didn't finish what I was saying earlier when I was saying the 20 and 1. Yeah. And I'm going to say this to Drake, right? It's true. To a certain extent, ageism is a part that plays in hip-hop.

Yeah. But anti-aging is so. Bio-hacking is a thing. Yeah. So you are as old as you feel. Yes. Totally agree. If you continue to do that.

Yeah. So my advice to him, if that's what you want to do, you want to still be like the, like, like, like the, like the, like the, like, the, like, the, like, the, like, the, because you're, you approach your OG, Drake. I'm so sorry. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we know you rewind in the time, baby. You know, I am a proud rewinderer. I'm a proud rewinderer, yes. Why fight the time? And you can rewind.

I'm trying to get math. Try to get bad skills at EMFN. It looks like they'll never join the crew. It's okay. But I don't feel like Drake should be... That's not biohacking the dire shit. No, no, no, no. I'll say that was a part of...

That was a biohacking was first. That was a commercial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I'm trying to say is, but Drake, like me, I personally don't have a TikTok. I can't get with TikTok. I don't understand it, right? My wife has a TikTok.

My kids have a TikTok, and I believe me and my wife have like a travel TikTok. She runs it, I don't do this shit. It's not for me. If Drake feels that young and he feels that way, I don't feel like he should apologize for that. You know what I mean? It's not like he's married.

It's not like, so if he's out on it and like it was a little taste of this because he had Adam 22's wife come out there. And it chose him. And it was, it was, it was a little weird because she took off her wedding wing and she threw it. Now, if this is an act or not,

you're still being blamed for being a house wrecker. Regardless of what, and she's a porn artist. She's a porn star. So it's, you know, I'm sure he co-signed it. He co-signed.

But what I'm saying is, he got a lot of fatigue. Yeah, take the drink away. Don't let me in the number until we get it. No, I'm just saying. You can do what you want. You can do what you want.

Drake. I'm about to be honest. Do what you want, man. I'll see this. Drake is the artist that we need, and I think Kendrick is the artist that we want. And let me explain to you. There was a part you talking about Kendrick is the artist that we need. Kendrick is the artist that we need. Drake drops an album.

He was the artist that dropped the album every year. He gave features out. He was like an ecosystem, right? Like I said, he's the artist that we need, right? But Kendrick is the artist that we want. He just drops the album every four or five years. So it's kind of like which one is like, Filet versus Maschow's to me.

You don't think Kendrick is also the artists that we need? No, no, no. Contraiseries that we need. We can't need a Kendrick because he might not always show up. You have, I disagree. He'll show up because he wants to show up. That's my point. Okay.

He's a Gemini. He's going to show up and go. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Oh. Gemini. Gemini is a great greatest song to ever live. My wife is a Gemini.

Gemini's are the greatest character I didn't mean like that I just met it like it's two sides of you you motherfuckers you know we both dope we don't know who we talk to right now I'm going to

but um you know what I'm gonna say I'm a drink because I can't I'm not gonna answer that one man I'm like I think they I think it's Biggie and Park I ain't gonna lie

I think we need both you know what I'm gonna be honest with you don't lie to us I think I think Drake and Kendrick beef.

The behind the scenes is more interested than the actual beef. They're behind the scenes of it because we've never seen our artist sue his own label. That's what made it weird. That's what made it weird. And I believe

Kendrick fans are like, from what I'm seeing now, it's like, they're the hip, hip, hip hoppers. as opposed to where a lot of Drake fans, they are Drake fans, and they are, some are hip hopers, but some are people who don't even like hip hop. That's probably a problem for hip hop, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just like soccer players. It's too many people on the street. Yeah. It's too many people in school, like you said. You're talking about when it's fucked. The movie. I'm sorry, I'll go back on this. No.

No, look, we need to. You know what it is? Your purple beard is fucking up. You know, he tried to rewind. He, he, he went to Beijing. He went to Beijing. He didn't turn purple. Scales looking like, like, look at the Bayou.

He did not rewind. He went to Beijing. He did not rewind. He did not rewind. He went to Beijing. He didn't want to buy his British. So he went in born Beijing. And, and, and it was spelled wrong.

It was spelled B-A. It said to B-I. Like, come on. I got you. I got you. You know what they told me, Ray. I got you. I'm a lesbian, real.

I got you. All right. No, no. That's a bad segment from I'm about to say. Between Latifo and two life. You got to get this out of control. You can't say it right now. You can't say it three questions a boy who I don't know what it was.

Rap City or Yom TV raps. Damn, man. Rap City and Yom TV raps? Rap City. Rap City kept it going. It kept it going Your MTV rap gave up on us. I had a pleasure to be your own rap

But your MTV raps Crossed us over Yeah Your own TV rap brought hip hop into White hip hop into Like the bourbon white living rooms At the time It was the first

It was the OG A great rap The BT came to I love rapids For the BJs to be on there Wow that's fire You was You was

I'm gonna say you MTCRabs I'm going to flex. Yeah. I'm going to say you on TV Raps. I think they're doing a rap city documentary right now. It's about to come out.

That's dope. All right. A tribe called Questra De La Sol. Nah, I can't do that. Yeah, I ain't doing that. So we're drinking with you? Fuck out of. Not with you, but we do.

I can't do that. I'm going to go. That's too close. Cheers. I would like to see that versus as well. Tribe against De La. Man. Rest and peace, Fife.

Yeah, breast and peace. Fife. Yeah. And then. I'm going to try. And Dave. I'm going to try. Try.

Yeah, Tribe. I know, I just know, even though stakes is high as one of my favorite rap records ever, I'm going to still go. And, uh, Buddy Remix, but I'm going to go with Tribe. I just know way more than music. Yeah. Shout up the whole native tongue, man. You just broke that or a pause. One of the illest cruising hip-hop.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. That was like the pre-Routang. Yeah. It was the positive version of it. Yes. For regular kids. Yep. You didn't have to be none.

you can just be yourself. Stiles Pia or Black Thought? Damn. I was speaking to Black Thought. Black Thought. I told you, I feel like he's a walking, living, breathing

hip-hop superhero. He texts and rhyme. I agree. Listen to me. He texts and rhyme. He never... Like, I read his shit, like, rhyming. You read this shit in a beef playing.

He's like, he never misses. He never misses, like... It's so crazy, right? Like his, I seen him, I seen him this, I seen him, right? And he had, he does this thing during the Roots picnic called a live mixtape where they do. Yeah, yeah. Oh, damn.

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podcasts. Like, this guy, he'll, they're going to do protect your neck regardless, right? They're going to do the song. So he'll write a rhyme that is so close to inspect the deck's rhyme. Wow. He'll start. Like, I smoke on the mic. And then he starts saying his own shit.

But he's in the same pocket as deck. And saying a couple different cadences. And then I'm watching him. And I'm like, damn, how does he do that? Because I would just start quoting deck shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he gets out of Dex burst and then goes into Ray's shit. So then he starts, I smoke on the money.

He, like, muddh by high. I think Meff wasn't even shocked. And look at the video, Meth and Radha looking at him like, oh shit. Like, he's doing Dex and Ray when he's not. I wonder if he's going to get right off where meth come in. And then he goes, something something hit you with 16 bow bow bow bow and then

meh those it's the memory he's bugging because he's like meika how did you do that like bro I've never met nobody that that's a different guy that does that and he remembers everybody's shit yeah like he can literally be on stage with

Kooji rap and Kooji rap and be doing something and he'll maybe Kuzzi Rai I don't remember Hase and he'll just start saying track 8 off of fucking road to the riches like he remembered members his shit and everybody else's shit. He's a different animal.

I tell you this. He's a different animal. It was one, I believe this was, I believe it was Tali O'Khali Mosdaf, the Roots and Common on the Source magazine cover. And I believe that was the shift. The shift. No, that was the shift. That's the freestyle.

That's the freestyle you're talking about. But that was the shift from where backpack hip-hop kind of like, that is what. actually birthed Kanye to me. Like that actual movement right there is because there was, there was, like, nerd rap and then there was elite.

Gangster rap. Yeah. And there was a whole missing part, that tribe Native tongues. And that, the director, like, Ferell's from that, which makes me a little bit a part of that, but that movement right there is, is,

I even hit you to do that. other day when I was just random I just randomly was like I was like yo I did not you know I did not want a try bail I'm looking at it I'm like and I'm like now this can't rewrite so I go

listen to it I listen to and you come on and I'm like I text him and me that's saying yeah I was on a try about I did not I did not want payment I did not want payment I did not want payment like I love that I kid you not

because I was a thing man like because he's like you know I run the budget And I was like, I can't, I can't have that on paper. I can't have that on paper that nor do we charge a tribe. He was like, this is your job. And I'm like, Chris, Oh, Lydie was telling you that.

Yeah, I'm like, oh, I said, Lydie, my bad. I'm looking at him like, my job is already done. Yeah, yeah. I can't, I can't have that on my trip. He's like, they're telling me to pay you and you're telling me, he's like, you want me to take it to the money? I was like, I didn't need to take it too far. I gave you the brain.

You're not about to get the money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I ain't go to lie. I was so honored. Because, you know, again, Boulevard of London. Queens, yeah. Like, you know, my grandmother lived four blocks away.

You know what I mean? So where they did that, like, and again, they represented somewhat a positivity. Yeah. Well, not, let's say, not somewhat positivity. Where they didn't represent was the negative shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wasn't talking about selling crack.

They represented regular people. Yeah, yeah. When you saw them, you saw yourself. Yes. You didn't have to put on the cake. You can do rap. You can just go and just do rap. Right.

You know what I mean? All right. Ghost. Missy or Eve? Oh, ghost? Wait, ghost. Missy or Eve? Starvee.

No, Stoospee. Oh, Stoosby. Oh, that's right. What's Blackth? My bad. My bad. Oh, my bad. Missy or Eve?

I mean, you are, I'm going to say Missy. Yeah, I'm a little. You know what I'm going to say Flooddra? You just had a kid, man. No, I didn't know what he did. No, Ray is my motherfucking guy. All right, but you don't have to pick up. I follow Ray.

Hey, man, stop. You're talking about you, shit up. Tony Mark. No, no, no, no. Okay, so let me say this. Let me talk. Let me say this. Let him talk. I acknowledge what Pitt did already.

Yes. But we don't acknowledge what Flo did. Flo came in and introduced a new kind of pop rap. Yes. That only he could do. And I love it. And he became filthy rich from it. Like, not regular rich.

Like, I remember Fat Joe told the story where he was like, when he saw how much he costs. Like, you got to understand. You know how much discipline that takes to be Flo Router? Because Flo Rada is surrounded and is a real nigga. He's surrounded by real niggins. And he comes from underground. And those are the group that he was in.

He became blackout pieces by himself. But do you not understand? Do you not how hard it is to be as disciplined as Flo Router to be that rich and stay in that lane knowing that you're never going to get seen by that black hood audience that we all chased? Right. He said, man, fuck them.

I'm a service. These motherfuckers and I'm going to still hang with y'all niggas. That's another thing. He didn't make that kind of music. And we, like, ain't 20 niggas like Flo Rother that made that kind of music. And everybody puts respect on his name from every... He's a good dude, man.

That's my point. So question. The question, because I'm asking from the Miami standpoint. But it is, but it is 51.49. There was never, there was never any other flowrider music before the music where he was in a group called Groundhog. So the Groundhog was what? So he did do hip-hop.

Yeah, he wasn't trying, it wasn't commercial. It was like an underground group. Like, that's my point. Imagine wanting to be that. Like, that's how I met him originally. But winning being this and having more money than everybody over there. You know how hard is not to just want to just come over there. Once a talk, he never did it.

Once you go over there, it's hard as fuck to go back. Right, of course. Because we as the coach, I'm like, nah, stay your ass over there. Right. Don't we don't fuck with you. They did that to me with reggae don't. They do that. He was like, hey, you want to be Puerto Rican?

Stay Puerto Rican. He could be back and still be around his people. That's dope. I didn't know. He could spit. He could spit. Yeah, that's dope. He had birthday and he had action,

and he would always, like, mess around with Billy Blue and some other North Miami guys and do some hit records. And, by way, Freezy is my name. nigga like they always, they will always show me love. Freezing E class. So for me, it's like, I got to always, I got to always show flow love. And I know a lot of people would go to other way. It's like, nah, Flo, y'all got to put some respect on him.

He just, he just don't ask for. He might be the richest rap in the world. He just don't want y'all motherfuckers to know. And that takes discipline. No, that takes discipline. That's real. Also, both of them, pit too. No, I'm not saying.

No, no, I'm just saying. He also had that mentality. Once he tasted that type of money, that type of music vibe, he didn't look back. Yeah, they both went in. that direction. I used to be, I used to be, um,

what's it called? I get it. Um, Um, Atanasana. Yeah, Adanasana. You ever heard about

than Osana? The DJs are coming on. The DJs to come on. He just said, Kitatera al-A-Opa. Kittatea. And EFN and Pippew will be being Cuban. They'll be going crazy.

And then they go on stage. What are you going to be going crazy? What are you talking about? And then the girls go wet naked on the stage. Kitatella-a-a-Opa. And I was like, oh my God, this is illegal in New York. Listen. Everyone is naked and they're drinking.

I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. That shit fucked me up. You know, he wanted to be that every week. Come up from New York. Like, this is, this is, God bless me. Of course I'm saying. How am I saying?

This was like the off the boat party. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, this is, they don't got green cards. Yeah. Like the promoters were called Baja Fonty, which you know what that means? No. Drop your panties. Oh, wow.

That was the game of the promoters. Bajafanti group. Those parties were crazy. Shut out of them. They're in motion to get their citizenship. They are very vulnerable people. Shut out. Wow.

That sounds incredible. It does sound incredible. It does sound incredible. What? I'm telling you. That bull almost got me arrested in Nicaragua. Let's talk about it. Speak on that.

You know, there was that. I was going out there doing shows. It was like, yo, can you bring some Latin artists? I'm like, yeah, I got the perfect person. This is like before Pitt. So I bought him. Pit bought lies. Man, they got on stage and they started doing their Baja Panti shit.

Take down your panties. Man, Nicaragua cops was not having it. They was like, oh, y'all disrespecting our country, come off the stage, we're arresting you? I was like, oh, my God. Put a panties. Ten years later? Hey, can we bring Pitbull back?

over here? Yeah. That's how it always works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We are we out here. It's the last one, buddy.

Go for it. Loyalty or respect. Can't wait for this one, man? I'm a DJ. And I always want to be respected. Them crowds come, the drinks go. Certain friends,

family they don't stay around and I don't try I'm my dad wasn't there no brothers no sisters so I always want everybody to respect me at all times I respect that I would say respect for me yeah to have that knowing that it's not easily obtained you know and everybody don't get that. So if you get that from somebody, there's for a reason. So I would say respect. I'm sorry, go.

Wait, wait, let Rayford, and then you can, I'm going to let you have to end this whole. You and your purple beard. Be quiet for a second. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to let it. Respect, because respect doesn't cost me.

When people are loyal to you, they expect that costs you and if you sit in my position. Right? So I'm choosing. respect over loyalty because loyalty has cost me before. Respect is always just mutually given.

Absolutely. That's real. Yeah, absolutely. So let me ask you. Wait, wait. Let's say. Oh, no. I'm just go through this little little piece. And, and then, you know, I want

to hear you guys. We don't want to hear you. Loyalty or respect. And I forgot about that. Now, skills, because it's been interested with you, right? Yeah. Yeah, don't forget your phone. Yo, go on. You take your phone, man.

You're not welcome back. Go over there, you're not welcome back. Okay. Now welcome back. Okay. So, skills, it's been, it's been like a up and down road with you, whatever, it's question about the action. I remember at first when Uncle Murder came out with the wrap up, like, how you did,

I believe you totally and totally was just like, nah, I don't, I can't co-sign that. That's something that I do. Why would you do something? Right. And then I believe y'all had a conversation or something like that. Are y'all saw each other? Nah, we never saw each other. Or you spoke or something like that?

I think like in the DM real quick. Okay. And then like you kind of like, you're kind of like squashed it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Now this is just me spitballing me. out of pure ignorance. If this year

he was to call USA, why don't we do this together? Would it be something you consider? No. Okay. I'm good. Yeah? So if you continue to do it, you'll do it on your own?

Yeah, I did one last year. Okay. But, yeah, no, I'm good. Yeah, cool. But there's no, no, no, nah, nah. Shout to him. All right, all right. I'm saying, no beef.

Would you, would you go and do his podcast? That would probably be a very interesting podcast. Yes. It would probably be, funny as shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's a funny dude. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

And I probably would press every button. Yeah. You know what I mean? I would love that. I would pay for a front row seat. Yeah, I don't want to make a phone or nothing. I want to be, what you said? Those guys aren't there?

I want to be those guys. No, it would be funny, though. Yeah. Shout out to him, though. No, I think that would be doing this year? I might. I don't know. We were questioning it right now in this episode.

Yes, yes, that's right. That's right. The culture has spoken. You had one of the, like, at one point, one of the toughest jobs in South Florida, right? In the middle of, you know, 50 and Fad Joe Beefin, there was clearly people saying, I'm a terrorist squad DJ or I'm a G-UIN a DJ. At one point, you was a G-N-A-D-J. Was that a plus for you at that time, or was that a flaw for you at that?

time being that, you know, Joe had heavy presence, Teresquah had heavy presence in the South Florida region. Was that something that was a problem for you or? It was 50-50, you know what I mean? Literally. Literally. Yeah. On the good side, yeah, you know, I was learning how to guerrilla market. I was watching EFN do his thing. I was watching Cala do his thing. So, you know, 50 gave me the opportunity. Chris Lydie and 50 gave me the opportunity, the Rep G unit. and, you know, push the Get Rich or Die trying the first album.

Right. Which is a phenomenal album. Yeah, you know what I mean? So once I was doing that, you know, I think, you know, Joe and the whole squad was looking at me like, you know. Right. Because you were supposed to be home team to them, correct? Or how did that work? They were just heavy in Miami.

I'm asking because I didn't know. Man, you know, at the end of the day, I look at them as always been family. Right. I look at Fat Joe up as a legend of Don. Right. You know what I mean? Right. I was kind of disappointed.

and they looked at me like, you know, you're a hip-hop cop or something, you know, stay over there or something. Okay, wow. So I never did this G-Unit DJ thing, Terra Squad DJ, because I was the only one. Now, my street team, they were hot. They wanted to, they wanted to put it on Terror Squad. Right. Because they were getting tried. Right.

And, but on a good note, you know, I took the G-Unit name and I went overseas and I started doing my overseas shows over there. Right. and growing as a a GUNA DJ So it was a 50-50 thing And then one day Fat Joe just came up to the Some

I think it was a Part 96 concert And backstage And he came up to me And he was like, you know Your Epps says talk And I'm all by myself And I'm thinking like You know

You're about pull me over a corner I was there One of those, yeah Yeah Was it Big Joe Or is skinny Joe? It was Big Joe Going down to

Slim Joe. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm looking at him. He was transitioning. Yeah, you know what I mean? I had to look at him. I'm like, yo, whatever we're going to talk about, I'm going to do it right here.

And, you know, he looked at me like, little nigger don't, you know, I mean, I'm like, absolutely squash it. Right. Squash what? Right, right. I just got caught up in the fire. Right, right, right. I don't got problems with nobody.

Yeah, man. Like, you know, I'm just doing my job for 50. The man, cut a check for me. I'm not going to put, I'm not going to turn that down. Right. And everybody applauded me because I was in the belly of the beast doing all of that and making things happen. But, you know, it was a tough era. But I enjoyed it.

Right. I embraced it. I took advantage of it. Right. I don't think 50 acknowledged it because at the end of the day, I was the one that gave 50 his down south numbers. Oh, wow. It's fine. I was with the trucks, Tony A.O's Mobb Deep, rap trucks, all over.

underneath the bridge learning from this guy how he was doing his thing. Right. Rillam marketing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was watching. I was doing all of that. So, you know, I enjoyed that error.

But it was 50-50. Okay, yeah, that's funny. That's funny. So, Ray, the one thing that I really, really, really love about you, right? Is when you're the villain, you don't mind being a villain. Right? And I think this is a new thing for you. It really is, bro.

It's a new thing for you because, for lack of a better term, you used to be a guy behind the cameras. And now you're the guy in front of the cameras and you make a lot of sense. Right? But, okay, let me rephrase the question. What would happen if on December 2nd, blueprint 4 comes out? Will you say that you were right this whole time?

Well, yeah. Is it called for me for a kid? I'm spitballing. I do not want to get a phone call. I made that up. I made that up. I made that. But if that was to happen, right, this is, this is a would-if.

This is a would-if world because you received donkey other day because you said album, from what you heard album is done, they're just looking for a partner for people that don't understand that. Buster Rimes had did an album with Google that's a certain amount of pre-sales that are already set. Samsung, J-Z, did the same thing. So it's certain things like you could partner with AT&T

and all of people get your album on AT&T, the phone, that's a partnership. So that guarantees your first week sales no matter what. And money of front. Yes. You will be a 700,000 to a million to 500,000 sales. So just if I,

a person opening up their phone. Yes. But question. Why was somebody that's a billionaire need a partner to put out of the hour? No, because in our generation, they're not going to judge you about being a billionaire. They're going to judge you of being your first

week sales. He can't. And he can't. I agree to that. I agree. If I'm a billionaire and I want my first week to look good, I can't make it look good. Y'all can't sit here and tell me that if I don't have that money. But, Steve, look how easy what I'm trying to

The strategic partnership instantly gives you that. It's a business move. Let's suppose skills VA is the next telemarketing. What is this shit? Starlink, you know, Starlink is the new shit. They're trying to like everyone to get the Starlink. What are you doing? What are you doing?

I'm Samson. Samson. So what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is if let's suppose Starling, right? Let's suppose let's use me for example, right? Let's suppose me, I got a one-off, a Ferrell album. And I want to drop a fully produced by the world, but it's a one-off. And I partner with Starlings, because we just said Starling, right? So I say every first 500 people that opens up Starlink for that first 500,

they get my album. Regardless if they want it or not, it's already. So it's counted as a cell. That is a guaranteed. Remember? That is a guaranteed. I get the numbers. Now, does Jay Z need the numbers?

Does he need the album? No, no, no, not at all. But it's smart strategic because a person will keep invested in what you last sold. Like if a person charges 50 grand, right, a show, right? And then they drop an album and the album doesn't, doesn't what it was. That 50 grand could go down to 7,500. Easy. So what they do is they have to have your last numbers match with you're charging at that time.

Not saying Hove has this problem. You're talking about the person who put out his last album was, nine years ago. Was it 4-44? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is, you understand,

even that album, I believe that was also a part. Yeah, that's also a part. It makes sense. Like, when he says that, it makes sense, it makes sense overall, like overall perspective.

Like, I believe Buster Rimes did that. Buster's one of my close friends. I remember he got the Google deal. Boy, his voice was different. He's like, man, I was just trying with Google. I was like, what does that mean? Yeah. And he definitely didn't explain it to me.

But he was like, man. And it means what it means. Yeah. So I can't, I can't, when I heard you say that, and knowing how much business since, does, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. Like, right now, if I had a chance.

And Starlink, well, I keep saying Starlink, because that's the new shit, that's the new shit. And they say, yo, Starlink says to me, your, Norie, all of my albums has win gold. So if they promise me that and they say, listen, are we going to automatically guarantee you gold? but it's this, this, and this, but it's only on this link. So you have to promote this link. It's not even that they guarantee you gold. They give you, they overpay you. Yeah.

And it's however many devices they have, that's how many you sold. Right, right. I don't think that's cheating at this point in the game. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. To do it now means what. No, but, but, but, but, but, hold on, hold on. Let me just tell you something.

Okay. When you buy a Mary J. Blige's ticket to a concert, you get, you get her album as well. I already got it No no no no Hold on You don't understand What I'm saying This has been a tactic

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Well it wasn't Back I forget who was the very first one who did this But you will buy the ticket To their album To their show Excuse me

And when you walk through that door They're giving you a CD This where CDs was like And then they told me Couldn't do it And I'm telling you that was so used because I had did reggaeton album, right? And it was a person that was signed to Rock La Familla.

His name was Hector El Father, Hector Bombino, right? Fucking, he would sell out Puerto Rico three nights in a row, 30,000 people. Three nights in a row. And then he was selling it so much, they had the ad shows. Guess how much he sold his first week? Much. 3,000. By the way, just those three shows, that's 90,000 right there.

Right. And the regga thrown people couldn't cast on. I was like, give the album away for free. Idiot. Packaging and the original. Tackle another $5. On top of the ticket price.

Buy my ticket. Once you buy my ticket, you get the link. You get the link. You don't even download it. You get the link. This is ways. These tactics are new.

You called it cheating. Now, I don't want to call the cheating. I want to say, we are getting in the habit of the game. Because there's been so many. She was back in the days when the scans, remember? Yeah.

And they're going to get us. There's been so many ways to cheat us. Yes, bro. Now there's ways for us to say, you know what? Let's guarantee. Like when Rick Ross recently said, he said, he said, because I guess he was talking about his first week sales.

And he said, I just want you all to know, I've been paid. Yes. I can understand what he's saying. He might have went to a company. And I'm not saying he did do this. I'm just spitballing, I'm guessing. He could have went to a company and said,

hey, I'm going to put this belt. on such and such, but y'all got to promote this for this amount of time, and he probably is already paid. I'm not downed him, you know what I mean? But it's been so many things for the artists to be at a disadvantage. Now when there's certain fields where we could be at a advantage, I believe we should take that opportunity. So that's why I would have no inside information, please,

I don't want those phone calls that you were here. But please, I don't, but it makes sense. When I heard you say that, when I heard you say, like, they're making partners. Yeah, they got to find a partner. And then on another side is you have that J theory, right? But then you have Nause, right? Now, Nause was known for dropping one album every four years. Yes.

Recently, Nause has dropped like seven albums in two years. Those seven albums is equivalent to him being back on a major. Yes. I can see that. But let's on his. got deep on y'all, man. Y'all ain't used to be good. Hold on if you forgot.

We had Keepeepee Deep Book. We knew that he said that he killed two parts. We knew that. But you know why he got convicted? Because he was on your show, sir. They say it. And then one part of this, one part of the inquiry me, because I know you want to address that.

But one part of the cry where he says that I say to him, go ahead, call me nicker. Call me. I said, and I said that to him. Because as a friend, when you arguing with a person that's from a different race, the race should never be brought up. The fact that race was born up, I knew that's what he, I know for a fact that if you put a lie detector to Vlad and you ask him,

have you ever said the N-word? He will dramatically fail. He has said the N-word. Yeah, I believe that. And I got to say allegedly, but I almost could say for a fact. I pushed him to the left. Did you see how mad he was? I'm great at getting the person mad.

If you're mad, I'm going to get you even mad. I'm going to get you even mad. I'm going to take it so less serious. I already know. I'm going to take it so less serious. And I'm going to push the exact buttons that I know that you want to that you, that's that you had. But the fact is I had to say two words to him. And this is from his words.

This is his words. I said, call me nigger. Yeah, call me nigger. And I said, I said, I said, you don't own me. When is the last time you had to tell somebody You don't own me When's the last time a black man Had to tell a white person

Because I don't want to call him a man A white person You don't own me What kind of distress I had to be under I'm a successful man Without you When you look up my Google My accolades

You don't pop up At all I love when Petty Norrie comes out At all You have nothing to do with my success at all. And guess what? I am libeled. I had you on my show.

And guess what? You did nothing for me. You didn't push a needle for me. You was a needle in a haystack. And we don't want that. Guess what? We could chase cloud too. Because that's what he was doing.

He was being a cloud chaser. Hold on. Hold on. Go see on here. Hold on. Let me just finish it. That's what you're doing being a cloud chaser. I am not only.

an expert of human behavior, but I'm an expert of how it, like, yes, of course, I wanted to bring up black. But listen, I study academics as well. Academist has no reason to bring me up in his algorithms. I have no reason to bring up academics in my algorithms. That means that he literally had to go to this interview and say, ask me about Norrie.

At 1312, when we get the 1312, academic doesn't happen to talk about me. That means you deliberately did that. You deliberately cow chase. You deliberately wanted beef with three black men six months. Ari Spears who you beefed with because your platform

you caught me selfish. Who's selfish here? This is about your platform at Erie Spears. You beef with Boosey. Boosey is one of the most intelligent black men on this planet. And you beefed with Boossey because

he wanted a race. That's like a slave saying, man, I don't want to be outside no I want to go in. This is this is this is it. And then I had to say to you, you don't own me. What was I under?

You don't own me? And he brought it up. I didn't bring this up. I didn't run to the internet. But you were like to address Vlad? You have something? You have an issue? No, no, I don't have no issue with it.

Not at all. I don't have issues with nobody. That's what's crazy. That's what's crazy. I don't have an issue with them neither. I'm just. I'm just defending myself. I'm defending myself.

I'm defending myself. And I wanted to just defend myself, too. There was something said on his show with Tony Yeo about that situation. We was talking about with Gianni. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. And Terror Squad. And, you know, you know, Yeo was just going up on there saying that, you know, that Fat Joe was running me down.

You know what I mean? Like, chasing me around. Like, I was running away. Oh, I didn't hear that. You didn't hear it because it never happened. Okay, okay, okay. You know what I just want to make sure. Everybody understand.

Nobody was running or chasing Epps down in my own city. I mean, I saw that one altercation or that one time. Which one? The one went backstage at Coyoteo. I don't know. You said. Oh, no, that wasn't even an altercation. That was a beef squashing boy.

I saw him. I saw him. Yeah, you know what I mean? But it was serious, but I saw y'all talk. That's when Fithi and him had that moment on stage. And then we finally saw each other backstage at Coyotro. And he came back and he was, you know, he knew. Joe knew.

Like, it needed to just die before it just, something will happen. among the street teams. All right. Because the street teams was, but no. Yeah, yo, nobody ain't ran from nobody. Nobody was running from nobody. Nobody ain't chased me down. So, yeah, yo.

I just want to say something. For me. Love you, my brother. For me, right? Some of the best things that me and EFN has ever done, right? They sit down with an artist that has nothing going on, right? And we interview them, we give them their flowers. And then I look at their gram.

And they're on, they're on vacation. They're on. They're doing tours from where. from the moment they sat on our platform. We want to say they didn't have nothing. Not to say they had nothing, but they didn't have nothing in the algorithms. And then once you do drink champs,

you get put in that algorithms. You go, you start going back to China. You start going back to Amsterdam holiday. You start doing that. They come, they come, they leave here on vacation. When they go to that platform, they leave on probation.

Oh my God. They leave with ankle monitors. Damn, we give you flowers. We give you flowers. He gets your probation officer. Oh, man. He gets you on parole. I'm not the person.

I'm the person delivering the message. I'm not the person that made this up. Look at his own comments. Your own comments, these people hate you. And that's why you get money. People like to hate the people they hate. They like to follow the people they hate. You got 1.6 million or 1.5 million of 1.1 million people.

Of haters. Right. Look at your own comments. They love to hate you, and you're easy to hate. Mm-hmm. I hate you now. I mean, you were cool. We were cool.

Like, I brought you around. I brought you to a Russian Jewish rot. We had dinner. We chilled. I was trying to cater to you. I was trying to. You did Piers Morgan. Right outside.

Like, I was trying to be cool with you. It was trying to be. But you could not use me so you had no... You could not use me so you tried to abuse me. But here's where you fucked up just like KPD. You shouldn't have said nothing. You shouldn't have said nothing. You should have kept it to us.

It was a personal conversation. It should have remained personal. And this is the guy we let in our culture? Just because he pays us to come to the barbecue? And he brings the worst potato salad. The one with the raisins in them? He brings Kool-Aid with no sugar in it. and the pickles.

The raisins and pickles. Call them raises and pickles. Let's stop giving it real estate, bro. All right. That's it. No, no. He, you're going to feel what I felt for a second.

Because this is part of what's wanted. I know. He definitely wants this. But guess what? I'm going to play the game. I'm going to play the game. Because you know why? I'll never address people on drink chance.

I address people on other platform. But I realized that's what he did to me. He went to academics. Oh, okay. You already playing my game. You think I don't know it. You think I don't know it. It's okay.

Speaking about that, hey. Ray Daniels, you think Ross is being hated right now? I want to talk that Miami stuff right quick because I see a lot of things happening. Well, I think that rap has become WWE. And fans have been picking their side. And I like that. It's right now.

It is. And I think that right now, Drake fans are mad at Ross. I have one that's on my pod with me. He can't stand them. just if he wouldn't have just Drake and it's like it's something that he has over that fan base it's that generation of people that have a real emotional attachment

is different so I think that that is the only reason why he's getting hated because of Drake stuff but I don't know about local stuff in Miami because I think when I think of Ross I think he's the king of Miami like honestly so I don't know if it's something else I'm missing yeah I just came off the plane from Canada doing a show and lately I've just

seeing some disrupt some bad stuff being said amongst people that They grew up with each other, you know what I mean? I'm going to be honest with you. And Drake and Rick Ross make some of the best music together, man. That's the sad part about it. I'm short to see them, you know, taking shot at each other.

And I'm like, yo, didn't we, like, grow up with each other? Like, how did we get over here right now, 2026? You know what's crazy, and I'm sorry to change the subject a little bit because I know if you got to go. But I, for the other day, just listen to the game and 50s work together. Just I just just just just just repeatedly all the records that they did together I was like damn this is such a shame that we might not never get this again get them together Or what we could have had when they was in a prime

Yeah you know I'm doing about that It would have been the best Yo let me tell you something it would have been awesome let me tell you something That would have been a wrong The unit was was they did it but they were this close to actually being the first group to have the East, West, South, and Midwest at the same time. And everybody was going crazy at the same time. Like you selling the millions of records.

Really selling records. He's got to Midwest. Buck. Buck. Buck. And then remember they had the other. Bush was from Nashville. Nashville.

Tennessee? That's the South. It's the South. That's still the South. I know he had West Coast down south. Yeah. And Eminem. He didn't have to come in the Midwest.

He didn't have to be in. Yeah. That's what you mean they got them there. Yeah. Between M&M and D12. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You was good. You was Gucci. That would have been awesome.

Yeah. Nah, like I said, I was just listening to the game and fit these records. Like, just their records. Not even, like, game with Lloyd Banks and game with, uh, yay, yo, and vice versa. I was listening to just those records. And I was just like, man, I'm a fan of hip-hop. Hell of a catalog. Like, I really, really liked it that.

Like, and it was right after game, um, uh, battled, uh, uh. versus, oh, YG, YG, yeah, because I wanted to be a blood that day so bad.

I didn't, I see 99 keys up there. I was like, what is he doing? Like, what is he doing up there? This is the,

he had the Muslim shit off. Like, what the fuck? He's crazy. But yo, guys, listen, man,

I want to thank y'all for, you know, being a part of this. Thank you, this is something that I, you know, other than, you know,

us addressing certain issues. But I, I like to talk hip hop, man. I think, I think hip hop is, to talk. I hope

some of the younger generations come listen at this because we're not trying to be cooler than you. We're not trying to be older than you. But we're trying to school you to a certain extent. It's like, like I said, like for years somebody schooled us. Yeah, exactly. For years, I used to think Meli Mel was a very, very, very mean person.

And then when you got to meet Meli Mel, you got to realize he was just protecting hip hop. He was just being a gatekeeper in a good way. And so I like the young generation. I'm getting into it. a little bit more because I was I turned into the old hater.

In my day, I turned into that old hater at one point. I was like, in my day, like, you know, they wouldn't start a 16 like this. They'll start it like this. And now I got to say like, you know what, this is not for me. This is for us. But, but so I appreciate it. I appreciate you, or I appreciate you because

Ray, what I want to tell you is I think you're a little ahead of your time. And I think, I'm not telling you to dump it down because that, that that be the wrong. No. You're saying. But, but, but, but, and I'm not saying these people over there or these people over there. But what I'm saying is, when you're hitting people with so much truth who, who don't have teeth yet, they can't, they can't, some people can't digest the steak.

Of course. If they don't have teeth. You know what I mean? Like, like, you know, you got to give them baby food and then, and then lead up to it. Because the reason why your word, like if, if my friend Ross says, hey man, um, Bob's Cartel got a whole fucking album with Spragger Benz. Right? And then he says that.

Then it's like, all right, cool. That's the guy who works at Dream Chance. But when you say it, you're like, this is an industry insider. This is a guy. He used to work for LAB. He used to be over here. He's over here. He might have it.

And then come to find out, this album never existed. This album never come. Then you receive the problem. But now if this album exists, then they're still not going to give you the props. They're still going to be like, well, he heard it from VIP records. So you got to be careful when you're so right that you can be so right, you can be wrong. For sure. Like, and being right.

So, and skills, I really wanted to, I'm really proud of you, man. Thank you. Being a Grammy award, and I know you deserve this overtime. Thank you. Long time, sir. With your music, your material. But the fact is, you got it. And I'm so proud of you, man.

That day I won the Grammy. I was from Virginia that day as well. So, and Epps, man, man, continue to do your thing, man. You are international dude, man. You go to your party. You play every motherfucking thing, man. I enjoy being in your parties. I enjoy you staying in here.

I enjoy you continue to do it. And, man, man, I can't thank all three of you brothers. Enough, man. Because the one thing we want to say, The one thing we want to say is hip hop, the culture, and integrity should come first. You know what I'm saying? It should come first. And that's the reason why I address what I addressed tonight.

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