Drink Champs - Episode 514 w/ Inspectah Deck

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary Inspectah Deck!Known for his razor-sharp wordplay and legendary verses on tracks like “C.R.E.A.M.” and “Triumph,” Inspectah Deck reflects on the journey that took him from Brooklyn and Staten Island to becoming an essential piece of hip-hop history.Throughout the conversation, Deck opens up about the early days of Wu-Tang Clan, his relationship with RZA and the other members, and the chemistry that helped turn a group of hungry New York MCs into a global movement. He also shares insight into his creative process, his experiences in the music industry, and the challenges that shaped his career.With the drinks flowing and the stories coming naturally, Deck gives fans a closer look at the man behind the bars. From Wu-Tang’s rise and his solo career to the importance of lyricism, brotherhood, and staying true to yourself, this episode celebrates the Rebel INS in his own words.A must-watch for Wu-Tang fans, hip-hop historians, and anyone who appreciates authentic stories from one of rap’s most influential voices.Make some noise for Inspectah Deck!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's get it. What it, Gooby? Hope you, see with the championship boy, N-O-R-E. What up is DJ, E-FN? And this is a bit of Timber Crazy Raw, drink champs, y'all. Make some nuts! And we talk about legends to legends, man. I've been trying to give this man his flowers for forever and ever and ever, man.

You know, part of one of the most legendary groups, one of the best lead-offs men in hip-hop. Period. Versus after versus after verses. You've been quoting it forever. And today we're going to give him his flowers. We're going to understand. We're going to talk about that lost album.

We're going to talk about everything. thing. So in case you don't know what we're talking about we talked about the one only honorable I watched you on Breakfast Club right and something that a lot of like people that there's in this room when they ask you this question they were an artist right even though envy is a DJ and

DJ's considered the artist right but when you spoke about Wiz's flood and when you spoke about like you losing your eye I see the pain you saw it in my face right I hate that yeah you know When I was looking

Floppy bits floating on the water Yeah So because I seat the Hulu Right That's where it's on Hulu? That's what it's on. Okay, definitely. So I'm thinking,

I'm thinking this is where it's born. I'm thinking like this was exaggerated. But when I watch you on the breakfast club, I'm sitting back, I'm like, yo, that was hurt. So describe us because, again, I didn't hear that due to the industry. I had heard of that

when I saw it on Hulu because I didn't know. So describe to us, What happens? Yeah, man, we went on the road and we were coming off a tour. I can't remember exactly which tour it was. Around 96, 97. Could have been the rage.

Rage against the machine? Yeah, the racing and the machine right after that area. But my album was scheduled to come out. And it's your first solo album, right? It's the first one. Yeah, this is 97. 97, did.

Before that. Man, I just know we went on the road, man. And we came home from the tour. Right. And we went to Rizza House. And, man, he told us first that he had a flood. He's like, yo, the crib got flooded. Wow, wow, we didn't see it personally.

And when he's saying flood, you're not automatic thinking your music. I'm not correlating it, right? I'm thinking flood. Okay. But I ain't thinking like, yo, my whole album is gone type thing. I'm just thinking, okay, furniture got damaged and things happened, whatever case. But then me, knowing. back then, you know how he was in the crib

in the basement, you got floppy discs on the floor and everything is, ain't nothing really put up organized and safe in that case. Wait, wait, wait, hold on, support me for stopping you. Please remember you at. So the whole album got trashed? I thought it was like, yeah, it was the original. Like, all the discs, like, Wizard had discs from the floor up to here. Right. So when the flood came,

and it wasn't just me, nah, I won't say that. You know, ghosts ain't have an album yet neither. A couple other heads were still waiting, Capadon. But the flood wiped out everything that was on the floor, bro. And like I said in the Previce Club, I was standing at the top of his stairs looking down, like, you can see the yellow disc that's like not your average flow. One of the song titles I had back then. It's a deck on it.

Right. You know, and then I see, he did that on Hulu too, but that scene. bro. Right. Now, I can see you describing it. Like, as an artist, I felt your heart. I was sick, bro. I was looking at you like, dad. I was sick, you know, Ray and Ghost came out, tors it up. Meth came out, tossed it up, just a tors it up, dirt dog.

It's my turn now. Right, right, right. And then Shazan. And you know, Lait boy you signed to at that time. Wow. Oh, my God. You know, laugh. Monty, fun, joke.

I'm ready. Yes, yes. I'm ready. Like, yeah, I'm about to be one of them dudes. Now let me ask you for lack of knowledge. Now, had Mepha already came out at that time? Yeah, Meph was already on their second album. Okay.

By the time my first album came around. So now let me bounce around. So what's that like the plot? Like, did y'all have like a chalkboard? Like, all right, cool. We're going to drop the chambers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then the cow will come and then.

We was on some of my seeds, bro, with his seeds, marry his seeds. So it's like, yo, way and ghost, they're going to do this. now, Ray kept a gangster and was like, yo, ghost, come in. Right. Rather than have ghosts wait, your ghost come in on his arm. Split the budget.

You know, that's gangster shit. Because Ray could have went to Wadoloh on it. I love how they did that. They went to my aunt. They came out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got on their scar face. So, you know, Jizzo came,

was out to with liquor swords. You know, everything was set up. And then, you know, in the beginning how we did it, each routine project would have a Woutain member on it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, okay, Mep album come out, you know, Deccan, you guard, and then we come a later, but we're all over these albums. Right.

I'm on everybody. I was setting myself up at that time. Yeah. Yes. Then you had the features I was doing, the peat rock. I was like, yeah, bro, it's on now. It's on. I'm finally getting my shot. You know, there's a couple other things I have floating around, tears on the hood soundtrack. But it was like, everything was set up to be like, okay, deck dropping this, this, this project. Right. And it was supposed to be the theme, Ghost had the Iron Man. You know, chef was, was Cuban-Link. So, me, I was going to do some Spider-Man shit. Spider-Man was my favorite.

So we was going to. Peter Parker. Peter Parker. We was, you know, he was, you know, Pete Parker, Spitey sense. Yeah. So we're playing off the rooftops, you know. My whole thing was like, yeah, we look at all the world. You know, you see all the whole hood.

We can see Brooklyn from top of my hood. So it was that, that type of thing. We're going to have all these nighttime Creek type of songs. We're going to create this new, like, cinematic type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Kind of like, when you see the Spider-Nois now on Netflix? That was me back then beforehand. So it's like, wiped out everything.

And you weren't going to try to redo what you would have been wiped out. I thought about that. Like, at that time, I was thinking, yo, how could I recreate this whole thing? Because I heard you say floppy disk, right? So at floppy disk at that time, did you still have copies of that on tape? Like copies of the rough drafts? I took all those wet discs. Yeah, I don't know.

I went to, yeah, all the floppy disk that he saved. He's like, yo, this is all the stuff in your album. You know, he had ghosts. He had a few things. I took the whole stat and went to D.C. My man, we went to NASA. We were talking to NASA. to people. White room, white gloves,

I need that off of there. I need anything you can save. I need that. Right. Savage this shit. Couldn't get nothing off it. When they did, the few things they did get off was like a kick and a snare here there, but no sequences, no nothing. It was nothing for me to put it back together.

You know, Wizard had taught me how to work the keyboards, the ASR back then. I was like, man, if I could get these discs to work again, I'm going to put it back together. I'm going to fuck niggas up, put this whole shit back together, and keep the album could not get it back together though, bro. Dave was just like, yeah, there was nothing we can get off of this.

It gave me a little floppy this, a little flash drive with a few sounds on it and a few things. And it's like, there's nothing I could do. What would you would have think life would have been like if that album would have dropped on its time and perfect? I feel like we'd be having a whole different conversation about Inspector Deck right now. It's like Patrick Ewan now went in the ring. You know what I'm saying?

but we know Pat put work in. Right, exactly. Or, you know, anybody that, you know, Charles Barclay, there's a million of them. Alan Iverson put work in. Never got that chip. So for me getting that chip on my own, that would have been a whole different, like, now we could have been at this level or levels beyond that. Right.

You know what I mean? Or could have flaps. Who knows, right? But for the most part, I felt good enough that, yo, man, I'm about to follow suit. I'm about to get this platinum, too. Like my brother's, like everything we put up in. out was going to plat at that time. One by one, one. One by one.

Flood came, just all threw me off. Now I'm forced to make an album on the run. I'm on tour buses. I'm way over here. I'm in West bubble fuck trying to get Jaze to get on this or your meth get on this. You know what's my album? I got three guest stars

on my Uncle Chow's substance, bro, and they're not even mutine members. Not even like that. But you know, a lot of Dark Man, Killers, Sin, Street Life. I got those names on my album. There's no jist, there's no meth, there's no Ray Kwan, there's no none of that. And I still pulled off a goal. But that was me just not knowing what to do young, angry at that time.

I tell people that's the birth of the rebel for me. I was inspected deck or the INS, but the rebel came in when I was just like, yo, I got treated so bad just now, you know what I mean? Yeah, the fucking mother nature took my album for me. Right. Then here come loud. They got dropped by BMG and they got picked up by something. Sony over here. So now I do

got an album, yeah, but I'm over here now with with relativity and all these acts. You know, some Project Pat and 3-6 Mafia and all that, but I went from I was just about to be on tour with Pond and Joe

and Mob and maybe Chef. Like, I'm thinking of that squad. Right. And it's like, nah, it didn't happen, bro. Didn't happen. So I'm, I'm fumbling, trying to make something happen along the way. I got like three Ritz of tracks on the whole, but let's say, If Rizzo would have produced that whole album, I had the plan.

Correct? He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. If he were to produce my whole album and I would have had the support of the clan, the Method mans, the Rayquins, the Ghost, and Jesus, we'd be talking about, we'd have a different conversation. What part of the album got flooded?

That was, that was just the original, complete album. Oh, the complete album. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's a whole other album. He's saying the original idea. Right. No idea.

Gandhi. And then, you know, Rizzer was, at that time, he was already, he was risen now. You know what I'm saying? He's getting gigs. He booked. So I'm like, damn, bro, I can't even catch my brother. Meth over here, Meth, Hal Hight Tour. I mean, him and Red Man, the month of the man, they out.

Everybody's gone. It's a rain ghost. They get in their feet wet. So I'm like, damn, bro, like, what I'm supposed to do? I can't get the money back to album. It took two years. I signed out in 97. The album came out 99.

Wow. So it's like, yeah, all of that, bro. The funny thing is what I say, man, I ain't bitching complain about nothing. Right. You ain't hear me come out and say this about this, nigga, that nigga. I just walked in it and handled it as far as I could. But then it got to a point, bro, where you're like, man, fuck that. You know, it started exploding and it started, you know, I let it get me to a point.

I was just so, man, I wasn't even fucking with my own niggots. I heard at one point. that you said, I heard this, that you took a lot of it out on Riza. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But for me being outside of looking in, inside of looking out, but why did you blame Rizzer for it? I blame Rizza because it was like he brought me into it. And then when I was looking around, the Klan done, everybody, pume, pune, pune, pune, pune.

All right. He's still standing there. Right. So I'm like, yo, get me out of this. Right. You know, I tried to get off the label loud. I mean, yeah, I got off the label, got out of the publishing situation, and I became a free agent day.

But when you got off Aloud, you were still a Wu-Tang production. I was still Wu-Tang. But then Risa, Devine, they were like, yo, let him go. Right. Let him do his thing. Because I was in the frame of mind where I was going to go and do what I wanted to do anyway, whatever it would have caused it. I just, I didn't believe in the system at that point.

I ain't believe in it. So I was like, yo, I'm going to do what I got to do regardless. Nobody's going to stop me from doing what I got to do. And that was my rebel mindset. Like, I don't give a, I don't care, bro. And it's like, then I was on some, you know, I didn't get no features from my own crew. But I was like, when you look at everybody else album, you see Rebel INS is dead, bro. Okay, but time on.

Time on. You know, I got to ask. Now, were they all some Hollywood stuff that you couldn't get them? Or was it, yeah, I really just couldn't connect? It was just a time. Okay, okay, okay, connections, you know what I'm doing? Like scheduling complex, right. Yeah.

Everybody got their own unit now, you know what I'm saying? Some people had dudes in their ear, you know? But it's like when I reached out and I tried to get folks to support me on that joint and I couldn't get them. Right. More a rebel. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm going to tell you what the rumor was.

And from like this, like I said, outside of that, you know, mess with y'all. I'm like your cousin, right? But it always was like y'all worked with each other. Mm-hmm. So like, like, we never thought that y'all even was going to ever. Like, like, I remember when even Method Man worked with Biggie. Right. That was like, wait a minute.

Did they let Wu-Tang? It was just like Wu-Tang was working with Wu-Tang. So I guess that must have been different. Like, you know what I mean? It was a thing where Rizzo wanted to keep the Wu-Tang. Right, here. Yeah. He got on the show.

He told us that. Yeah. He didn't want to network with a lot of people, man, that we wanted to network with. I might as want to do a song with Norrie. He's like, nah, man. We got to keep it here. We got to make Norrie with this label. We can't do that.

Yeah. So it was a lot of that, but, you know, I understood it because it was like, yo, he didn't want to dilute it. Yeah, we want to keep, you know, he put a skin on the album. It's like, we must keep the Wu-Tang and keep it secret. It's our secret. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, yeah, we wanted to do that.

And it worked. It worked because it made us our own little industry in a sense. You know what I'm saying? We had enough rappers. We had enough people down with the situation that we was feeling like our own industry. But then it kept us away from really networked. working with all of our peers, the people that we really, you know, like Biggie, nods, a lot of these dudes, they didn't put a whole lot of guest stars on their album.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So when meth popped up on, was it ready to die or like that? Yeah, ready to die. He was like one of the only people on that album. Right. Yeah. So we felt like, yeah, Biggie doing that too.

That's the right thing to do. Like, we won't need all of this. No, y'all did it a lot less. We didn't rock with nobody with me. I'm sorry his seat. That's how we keep you Wooten money all over the family. Because, you know, we got enough. But you see how much that makes sense now?

Like, like, back then, we probably looked at y'all, like, y'all self-contained. And everybody was probably like, man, like, why would they work? But then nowadays, you see a dude, like, God bless me, you know what I mean? And I might be wording this wrong. You see, but I'll give you an example. Like, it seemed like Poochaisi did a song with Yogadi. And then it seemed like Poo Shaii wanted to be. with Yo Gotti Paws, not like be with him like that.

But you know what I'm saying? But had it been like that back in the days, post I see it, your Godi wouldn't even been able to do a record together. Exactly. Yeah, you know what I'm exactly? It's like just away from street beef or anything like that, just protocol, bro. Like, nah, we ain't mixing apples and oranges.

And that's kind of how we went about it. But then when the time came for dudes to start branching out and doing that, you know, that kind of open up, dude. Because nobody, industry ain't like us, bro. I heard a lot of the rumors, too. I'm just a dusthead, crackheads, satt and all that dumb shit, right? You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, we was moving and shaking.

We was moving and shaking like, yo, everywhere we go, we, we, we, we, we gathering. The armies getting bigger. The squad is getting bigger. That's why we like Wu-Tang worldwide. This shit bigger than us, bro. You go overseas, this Wu-Tang tattoos. Oh, yeah. Y'all most bootlegs logo.

Listen, bro. This niggins that one. This niggins that one. You said the most bootlegging hip-hop? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if the Wu-Tang entity is getting... Everywhere I go, I see a Wu-Tang logo. Everywhere.

Like, there's somebody... George never did that move, man. Wow, wow. Joe never did that move, but, nah, you know, it's a beauty when you're like that. If somebody is bootlegging you like that, or they're showing you that much love and respect, I got that.

We took that ass, yo. We're there, bro. We're there. When they were starting to bootlegging you, Bootleg us like... That's your marketing team around the world. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, so they're gonna keep us alive. But not only that. Yeah, I got the weirdest fans in the world. Like, a person don't listen to Wu-Tang. Nah, they live Wu-Tang. They don't listen to Wu. You live, Wu. This shit is here, bro.

I'm trying to tell you. I've been on tour with Ray. I've been on tour with Goose. I've been on tour with you. I've done. And I always know that if you meet a Wu-Tang fan, You meeting like, you're subconsciously meeting another member of the group. In their mind, they believe this.

In their mind, they all remember, bro. They're a 10th member. They're a little member. Like, I promise you. No, guarantee. That's funny, man. I always say it's bigger than us. It's bigger than Eno Brown.

Big business, though. This shit is, it doesn't transcendent. I went to Croatia. Right. And niggas got dreads and fatigues and Tim's on. Right. You know, rolling blunts. talking about, yo, my nigga, two for five's down the way.

Two for five, some things got garbage down the way. Quoting our shit. We met a kid that said he's a Pablo Escobar's son and he had a Wutang tattoo. Like, how does that make sense, man? Pablo, Eskabon, son had a Wooten tattoo. Listen, man. I love it, man. Don't let me tell you no different.

I love all that love, all that foreign love, this Gallagalactic, man. I would love to go to Mars and see aliens. Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. You know what I'm saying? To where it's like, oh, who would have thought? I didn't know, man. I ain't know, like, you know, just coming from the corner rapping. Right.

Kicking you, yes, y'all, yes, shit. And the next thing you know, it's like, it's just big. Yeah, we in China. We're in Germany. We're doing these big shows. Like, it's crazy, man. And to this day, I don't really, I don't think I grasp how big this thing is. I ain't going to lie, you living in it.

I don't think you'll never understand. Probably, yeah. So I sit down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. I don't think, I don't think to, like, years later, like, because, um, y'all really changed the world. It's a part of history. Like, it's literally a part of world history.

Like, literally, if a, I believe the most group was, like, four people. So literally, the minute you cross over five, like, oh, y'all, y'all want to be Wu-Tang. And, and, by the way, I forget who said this. There was, like, there's nine people that they're talking. 5% mathematics, but they're doing it in the Chinese way. They said, you know, on paper, this shit doesn't make sense at all.

It don't make sense, yeah. But see, the Chinese part of it, it only came from the ideologies and the theories they had on some, on some, just like, was it Minnesota Society with MC8? Yeah. Yeah.

That's not a Minnesota society. Yeah, yeah. The nigga of menacea society. You know what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about it. Like, I ain't having that. But that's what it was. The Chinese aspect, like, yo, brother, you murdered my brother.

I must avenge you. That type of thing. We was taking the brotherhood from it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Brother, you, you, you know, you eat before me. You went out there and killed and did all that. So, like, that type of shit, where they really breaking breath.

And for a lot of people who didn't know about this, in those days in New York City, Chinese flicks. No, here too. It was. They called the Samurai Sundays here, but it was comfortable. It's crazy. This is how I knew, like, you guys were high as hell. Because, like, I went to the same flicks.

I saw them same movies. I've seen the same scenes everything. I've never correlated that to music at all. But that was the genius of it. That was the genius shit about it. It's all her shit. And so you come outside after watching that shit, man, me and you, we get to go, you know what I'm saying?

We're like, ha, ha, ha. snake style doing this shit doing everything at each other that shit was fun you know what saying but then when ghosts in them came with this is wu tang right them kicks you got them this is woo why because then woo became what's fly right if it's fly that style is ill yeah i give that to the stapleton we would keep that stapleton we would care stapleton i give that to y'all okay who tang is they word well you're from park hill i'm from park here okay all right that's your opposite you got to be the state you know what i'm I know a lot of state with the niggins don't like us still.

And Park Hill feel the same. But I love all my, I love all my brothers from the town that've been there from day one with us that already know what time it is, man. You know what I'm saying? So shout out the town when it comes to that. But it's like we was just trying to move on each other's and all that. Yo, this is wool. This is Shaolin. And okay, Staten Island become Shaolin now.

You know what I'm saying? This is, this is like, yo, Shaolin is the temple. This is where you come to learn, right? Right. So we come in the Rizza House to pretty much learn. This thing is making beats. You got fly shit rocking. His mama kicking us out off the terrace.

Right. You got Shahim and R&S. June lover and the whole GP gladiator Wool Squad here too. Wow. And it's like, we park hill cats in Stapleton recording music. Recording music with Riza and that's day leader. Wow. So they kind of took that personal too.

You know what I'm saying? So it was like a little battle between the Park Hill Wu-Tang and then the gladiator posse Wutang who's originally from Stapleson. That's ghost neighborhood. I can't argue with them brothers, man. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to make that clear because Wu-Tang is definitely a Stapleton word. It was a Stapleton thing, a way of life, and ghosts brought it to us. Oh, wow.

And then we adapted to it. You know, that's me, Ray Kwan, U-Guard, meth, all the Park Hill cats. We adapted to that after Ruzer brought it. to us. So I wanted to give Stapleton. Let's give Stapleton. That was them. That was them. Shout out, Popper, the Brown Horn and June lover, Sahin, R&S, and all of them, man. And then, you know, but when they landed on our shoulders, bro, we had to take that baton and run with it. So when I got the baton, I wasn't looking at it.

Staperton, Paul. I didn't even fuck. I'm running. I'm running, bro. I'm trying to get to the finish line or whatever it is. And now, you know, to this day, man, like, you know, there's a lot of friction between all this. I don't really care about all that because I know I got a love, a genuine love for both sides of the fence. Because Parkingland-Stableton are like this. It's like, you know, they side-by-side with each other.

Everywhere else on the island is a little space to get to, but we can walk to Staperson. Stavittenden can walk to Park Hill. Right. And, you know, we've been like, we've been like disgruntled family members for years. Yeah, we understand. You know, for sure.

But that's how that come in, man. Wu-Tang, Staten Island, it's a Staten Island thing. That's why when we came out with it, we had every borough. We had all the neighborhoods coming behind us because we know somebody from every hood. Like, we knew how to bring everybody in. Wizard knew how to bring anybody into. Like, yo, we're going to get this guy. He does art.

This guy, he does videos. We're going to do this guy. He does that. He's going to drive. So Wizard reached out and made sure, like, yo, we're going to put this unit together. And when I came together, man, it's like, that's why I brought up the story. A lot of cats didn't make it. You know, it's like preseason.

It's 55, but how many make the team? You know what I'm saying? It's only a certain amount of numbers is going to make the team. So, you know, I was just happy I made the team because I was, I could have, it could have just said, yo, man, we got him. It left me out the shit. And, you know, I would have tried to pursue it on my own anyway, but still. Get Bell, Pure Fiber Internet with Crave Netflix.

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No one knew we got beef. Yeah. But his thing is to. It's peace. Yeah, kill that beef. bro. Let's work together. Let's, let's, you know, we could, we could get more, what they say, you gather more bees with honey.

Right. You know? So it's like, yo, let's team up. And Rizzo was a little bit from Brooklyn, but O'D B Bastert, or O'D Bastert was from Brooklyn. And genius from Brooklyn. Genius from Brooklyn. Okay, cool.

He came to Statenall. He lived in Stapleton and Park Hill, so I think that's how he got, he got caught up in the middle of all that shit. Okay. He lived in both neighborhoods, man. So, you know, I love that brother, man. That brother saw something in me that I ain't see it myself. You know what I mean?

And he was like, yo, I'm going to help you fine-tuning. I'm going to help you get it together to the point where, you know, you can stand on your own with it. But we never, we didn't see that on the way up. We just saw, you're trying to tell me what to do, man. You know what I'm young, man. You know, I'm cutting my rhyme off the rhyme. Why are you cutting my rhyme off?

It was more of that, but we didn't see that. He was just. This dude was looking 10, 20 years ahead. Right. And it's like, you know, as much as I blamed him then, I give him so much credit now, well, for everything we're doing. It could have been over a long time ago. Right.

He's bringing tours to the table every year. He's bringing Hulu series. He's bringing Showtime documentaries when this thing could have been over a long time ago. So I got a... Yeah. For the risk of, man. You know? And also for us.

For us, for living it out, you know what I mean? We never beat each other's ass. We didn't get into no crazy drama with each other. We've had times where it's like, yo, I ain't talk to you in three months or four months, but it's never been no craziness to where it's like, yo, I don't fuck with it. You know what I'm saying?

I can't look at you to say, I feel that way about none of my brothers. And I might have an attitude with one of them. I ain't talk of this thing in six months. But you can't fuck. with them. You say something about them, bro, then I'm on you. It's on you.

Yep. So, you know, it's always been like that. I heard you say. Although, I think the first time we saw that y'all would ever have any, like, just be regular people and have beef with each other is in the show. Remember the movie? Yeah, the show. And beefing.

I ain't got a lot to you. I love Wu tank arguments. I love them, too, man. I love them, too. Yeah, because, like, for fans, we're like, yo, they are. Like, me. Like, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, what was the story? shit on the bus? What was the, what was

you arguing on the bus? Which one? In the movie. That was the train? Yeah, there was in the train. That was a train. That was a train? That was a train. Yeah, it was a bullet train. But they was arguing on the Staten Island. I mean, Park Hill and Stavittles. Oh, I didn't know that.

That's what the... Meph was saying, yo, Park Hill niggas, yo, we're smooth. We like to get money. We like to... And they're ghosts in the back. Man, fuck all that shit. You don't want to hear that shit. I didn't know that was over neighborhood. That's how it started.

Today he is old, I can't stop smile. I know that's not all that. You know, Park Hill, you know, Park Hill, we be awesome, getting money, smooth shit. And, you know, if you watch it, then you see ghosts in the back like this. I'm going to watch it tonight. The whole time. Goes listening like, you know, man, fuck all that shit. Yeah.

You know, but he's really, and that Park Hill shit. Right, right. But it's like, yo, he had the right to say that. Because it was going on on the train. You know, it's like, it's like knowing the ending to something, but you knew. You're watching the journey, you know what I'm saying? Because you could tell y'all are really brothers. And let me just tell you something.

Like for nine people to stay together. Man, you know how hard it is for me and Capone to stay together? Two people. Imagine fucking nine egos. And now just think about it. If you're a rapper, you start out with three egos. You start out with the person you are, the person who you're going to be,

and the person who they want. want you to be. Yeah, yeah. Who person who they molding. So you already fucked up. So what's three times nine? Come on, man. You got great hairs, man.

You're supposed to know the shit like this. Come on. 27? That's 27 fucking egos. He said, you got a great hair. He's supposed to know this shit. Lord, you know. I got great hair, too.

Thank you for good for now. But the reason why you can't see this is because we rewind our time. That's right. Why fight the time? Well, you can be why. You know. Yeah, I'm talking with you. But just thinking about what I'm trying to say.

Like, like, imagine, like, I know we were speaking about that earlier, but imagine how hard it was for Riza to keep, because that's eight other individuals, right? We just multiplied it by 27. So I forget that we're dead. How? Whoa. Wow, wow. Like, and then y'all got your own crews.

Exactly. Because it's not only just Park Hill or Stapleton. You got 12 members in the crew that got about five members, five entourage with them. Who they used to pack bags with. That's 50 motherfuckers right there. Yeah, yeah. If we all bring five people, us 12 plus another 50. And that's how we was doing it back then.

If you go back in the days of the beginning of Wu-Tang, for like 100 people around. The Muse, Mars, all these clubs that do you're in. Yeah, 100 niggins with Wu-Tang search wrong. Melanium, Speed, S-O-Naming. We was there. Tunnel.

You're 100 deep. Wutang tied up on our head like turban. We tied the shirts up on our head, like whatever. But this is how we're going to identify. To this day, if you're more than a certain amount of people, they say, you WootTang, yeah. To this day, make the fuck, you guys. I don't get. I don't get.

That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. A person pulled up in a tall bus with more than 25 people on that goddamn bus. That's a Woutan bus. But, okay. That's crazy. For me, as an outsider looking in, that first tour that you guys went on, I believe that was like somewhere of the show, that we were talking about earlier.

Was that the first, or no? The first tour of the show? Yeah. That's the first time going to Japan. Okay. Okay. That was like the first European tour. It might be in the first European tour.

Okay. That's even a better question for me. Because, all, cool. You guys are like, um. Embracing the Asian culture, right? Yeah. For lack of a better turn. And then you guys go to...

And then we go out there. And then, yeah, how was that? That shit was beautiful. What would you say? You said, China? Ichibon. Okay, Japan. No, Itchibon.

Japanese. Japan. Japan. Japan. Utti Bhaan. That's what he was doing all back. Yes, yes. I understand.

Yeah, that was fun, man. Like, you know, going out to Japan that time. Because, like I said, we didn't, we wasn't prepared to see what they was doing out there. Like, okay. okay, this is Japan. We're going to be a bunch of, you know, it's going to be a bunch of Japanese niggins right into the shit. Okay, whatever.

But then when we get there and they was Wu-Tang. And they Wu-Tang down? Like, I can imagine. They got starter jackets and fatigues. I can imagine. They study the video. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

Our lingo. I know. I know. And then it's like, so when you running up on them, they're like, yo, son. It's Japanese dude. Like, yo, son. What you got on my 40?

Or they quoting the skits to us Is he dead? What do you mean, is he dead? They're doing all that to us. So we're like, you know, it's crazy, you know what I'm like? In the show, you see meth running down the street chasing a little hot fried, a little smart carthians, about this big. You know, we're just out there like, yo, it's crazy.

We're in the hotel, everything digital. Way back then. Everything was push button. You're going to hotel? I make my bed raise up. I got the window shades, all. You're crazy. The blackout.

I went. Capone came home in 97. No, no, 98. 98. So I went to Japan in 97. Yeah. Do you know I was erasing my floor in 97? Like, meaning I hit 11, but I meant to hit 12.

I can erase 11 in 1997, bro. Yeah. Like, you can't. We still can't do that now. You get unsend. Yeah, we still analog in the elevator. We still analog in the elevator. We switched the dinner.

Did you do in the elevator? My neighbor got stuck in the elevator the other day. I laughed. Sorry, man. My bad, my bad, Aaron. Japan was they been ahead on that shit, bro. Like, I remember just seeing a big panel like this, and everything was just, do-da-d-do.

I was just touching and pushing everything, well. You order... Back there, he was ordering room service on the TV. I know you could do that now. But back then, in Japan, they had the whole menu on the TV. You just do everything from your room on a remote. Like, you didn't have to walk no way.

You have to do nothing. So we was, then we went to this big crazy arcade. You know, like how, remember 42nd Street you should have? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Too much is never enough. Too much is not enough.

They had one of those type things out there with all the cans, like all, everything that you've seen. Like, you know, they got Defender and Stargate, but you could sit in it. Like you're in the space shit. He ain't never had no shit like that growing up playing Atari. So we just loving that shit, bro.

That's my first time in Japan, too. I love Japan. Like, now I'm laughing because I'm like, I'm six-four. I'm tall and in the whole fucking country. Yeah, ain't nobody. Ain't nobody looking me and meth and the eye to eyes. Like, we look at clean over my own. And then one day, me and you go out, we're laughing because we like, yo, why ain't the women?

We're in the hotel one day. It's broad day, like two and a afternoon, one-and-a-noon type shit. We just see a bunch of men. They carry in briefcases. they got the same suit and tie it's on some robot assembly line shit they're going back and forth back and forth they're coming this way they're going this way

you know it's like traffic human traffic type shit and you're like yo they ain't no women like what's going on with that then we just find out like yo the women in the workplace out there they didn't really it wasn't feeling that shit they was like oh women need to be in the house cooking taking care of children so the men the men was just out there

and it was like yo you go to school for a certain amount of straight years. And if you don't graduate, you ain't shit in society. You know what I mean? So, like, you had the different culture. And we're eating motherfucklingislers every day. They have a sizzlers right outside. You know, but, yeah, that was a lot of Puerto Rico.

Yeah, that's some fun of shit, man. Okay, so you caught a case at 56 years old? I caught a case at 56 years old, bro. What the fuck was you doing? I didn't really catch a case. I just got caught up in some shit where I could have held my calm and held my car. Okay. And I lost my cool.

But y'all really want to know, niz. Yeah, please. In New York City. Yo, I called the fucking police. On yourself? Nah. I called the police because it was going to put me in some shit. Okay.

And I was like, you know what? Before they even do that to me, I'm going to beat them to the punch. When I called them niggas and they got there, they disresolved. regarded the whole shit I was talking about. Right. They just looked at me. Oh, shit. Mr. Hunter.

Uh-huh. I felt like the Matrix on some Mr. Anderson shit. Mr. Hunter. Right. Like, come here. Mm-hmm. Pulling up my shit. Yo, you've been arrested for this, but then.

We're going to, we're going to arrest you for trespass. Oh. So now, not just trespassing, but now when I'm starting to get like, fuck, you mean trespass. I'm getting all. Mm-hmm. Now it's going to attempt to assault. Oh, shit.

You know what I'm saying? So the more I kept raising up on them, the more charges he started coming with. Right. But, you know, the end of the day, I beat the shit. Okay. But it beat me. It costs me to beat the shit. I'm fighting it in Texas.

You know, Texas is. Texas is different state. Yeah. And I'm a New Yorker. I'm a New York felon in Texas. You know what I'm saying? Catching a felony in Texas. They're like, nigga, come in.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're going to make an example out of you. What I had to fight, I had to pay. I missed a lot of shows. I missed the Knicks. I just in my notes. Chill, chill.

That's how I got. I'm going. I was mad at you. I'm like, what the fuck was that doing? That he didn't show up to the fucking game. Some dumb shit, bro. So that's how I found out that you got your corner case. But that was part of my whole going through the therapy shit and all that.

Like trying to try to catch myself. Right. Because you missed the game and the parade. I missed the parade. I missed the performance at the hat time, number one. As I meant, I missed the performance at the game. I missed the parade. But I miss mad shit leading up to that, too.

But you know, you still got to take the props because you got to realize this. The next morale was kind of down. Even if we were up, I forget what it was the game for it. But when people came out, because you know why? They brung out Wu-Tang. I'm going to say this. You know why they brung out Wu-Tang? It's because that's New York.

It's not hot New York. It's new. York. That morale when people see that in the crowd. Not, you know, not New New York, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not Trill, New York. This is New York. Period. New York. Period.

Not OG New York. No. New York. This is new. And if you look at when Wooten came out and performed to how the Knicks played from then on there, I got to give, like you said, you got to give Staten Island. I mean, I'm Staperton. I'm a prox. I got to give me a day. Because.

Yeah. was a certain attitude that y'all delivered to the players, the city, and the fans. Yeah. And us seeing whoa. I remember we was in New York promoting. And we were on complex. And I thought the dude was playing

with me. He was like, um, Wu Tang is coming up. We had a flight out leaving that night. Yeah. And it was like, yo, Wu Tang is coming out tonight. And I was like, damn, if this any day. Should I stay? I stay. I didn't know. I thought it was a rumor. We didn't know if it was legit or not. And then, boy, was I wish I should have stayed, but we won that day.

I remember that was the day where they came back. Wasn't we down 29 points? It was 29 points. We was down 29 points, right? Listen, I had my Brunson jersey on. In Dallas. I'm in Dallas. I'm in the house.

Yeah, where Brunson came from. And I'm like, yo, something ain't right. And I'm thinking, we down bad. Like, damn, we down bad. How do we get down bad like that? I took my Brunson off. I threw on the St. Patrick's Day, Stefan Marbury, orange joint.

Ooh. A lot of dudes ain't even seen that one. It's out there, though. Okay. I threw that on. I'm in front of the TV now. You're in Dallas, though, right? I'm in my house in Dallas.

Yeah, I'm like, yo, let's go. Brunton, it's that time. I started cheering for Deerrin Fox. Yeah, because he's like on the other team. Bro, when I tell you, I was pissing people off, I left the house. I went to the spot called Cosm, big spot in Dallas, right? Sports joint.

I'm in Cosm now. Let's go there and Pops. I'm cheering for Pops now. Shoot that shit every time, bro. Dribble it, take control. He lost that game for them, that 29-point game, bro. Guaranteed.

And this is my thing with the Wembe. When I first saw Wemby, I was scared to death of that dude. We ain't got nothing to do with this. Are you the one to do from the Spurs? Yeah. Okay. Let him have the ball, right?

Yeah. Keep giving him the ball. Let that nine-foot nigga keep shooting threes. Keep on, bro. He's a rookie, right? He's talking shit like he's been there. That was my thing.

Shit talking, bro, and you ain't backing it up. Keep on. Keep giving him to, give it to him and Fox, matter of fact. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm betting. I'm talking shit. You know, New York, man, we're doing this shit everywhere, bro. Texas niggas, they was hot.

Right. It was hot. But it's like, yo, bro, we're betting on this. What you want to bet? We're taking that. Wendy, he's the future, right? But I was just like, yo, keep giving that seven foot. You can't keep running on giraffe legs, bro.

Right. You get tired. Your knees get shot. Any nigger seven foot tall went through the same thing. Joel and B., Patrick Ewing. Any nigger, Mari Stad of mine, name them, niggas, bro. Needs, the knees go first. So, Wembe, he's getting tired.

He all. And B, his knees is shot. So I'm not really. And B fall on the floor. Yeah. On the time out. And B, it's like, you know what I'm saying about it? You know the little mini- scooters?

It's like he's riding a mini-scuder walking around. He just falls. He falls. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Who falls like that? You know what I'm saying? You picked the fall over on LeBron. He fell.

He falls like that. Yeah, I was hurt for all that. Like missing all that with the next man and I've been a die-hard fan. No, not. But, all right, so missing the game of the performance halftime is one thing. Yeah. But that parade, now I'm in, I had booked this, this, uh, a whole year in advance. But I'm in Italy, man, I'm crying, bro.

Like, I'm crying watching the parade because I never seen my city that happy. Like, what euphoria, like, and everybody for that day, for that moment, like, I ain't going to lie to you. New York was unified. The two days before that, I was in the city, there were the. I felt like the police had my back. I've never felt like that. Never felt like that, right? But how did it feel?

But was that like a bittersweet for you knowing that you could have been at the parade? You'd have been forefront. So how did you feel what? It was a, it was a dope moment for me because I got uncles in the grave, man. That they lived for this.

They wanted to see the next winter chip. Like, I remember growing up, going to the garden, being you know, 10, 11 years old, man. I go all the way back to Rory Sparrow. Wow. Don't talk to me if you don't know Trent Tucker. Come on.

You don't know Lewis Orr. You know what I'm saying? Don't talk to me if you don't know Kenny Skywalker. Right, right, right, right. That's what I'm talking about. So I got uncles and family that this was for them. Like, oh shit, 50-something years. Ah, what?

And we lit. Like, New York was being made fun of for the longest, bro. Yeah. They've been making fun of us for the longest time. They're trying to say we whacked. We out of rap. New York, niggas is delusional. I don't see in everything New York slander.

Oh, we took it all out this year. Yeah. I'm sorry, Spurs, fans. That's the reason why we beat y'all up. Exactly. We've been through shit. I mean, I'm not. We've been going through a lot.

I mean, but we got it out of our system. We are being better people this year. Yeah, man. Please forgive us. Yeah, we'll have etiquette to y'all next year. We won't stomp out your jerseys on the firewalk. You know what was funny? When we went back to San Antonio, I pick up to San Antonio,

because that is an open-carry state. That is a very wild state. But it's not that. It wasn't like San Antonio Gets to New York. It was the fan fate. Like, we are not being broken. A New York fan will not leave in the rain. No.

Like, do you understand that when it rains right now, everyone's natural response is to just get the fuck out of here? A New Yorker, we're like, all right, cool. How long do you think it's going to rain for? Like, we'll sit there and just stand there. Yeah. Like, we're different people. We're different people.

Entirely definitely different. And that ain't no disrespect to Texas, man. No, big up. I love Texas. I love Texas. I'm looking at property, too. Texas got some real motherfuckers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, Texas got some real people. And they started to be tallied in suits. You know, niggas got caught up in Texas. Yeah, they did. It just didn't match. It didn't match. But in the same time, they would just say, hold up, man. But we were giving motherfuckers grudgee.

Like, we did it with style. Yeah, you hung niggins on fence. We gave a motherfuckers We did our shit real, man, because, you know, it's something about a New Yorker. The police was like, hurry out. Even the police was with us, bro. It's something about a New Yorker cursing you out.

You know what I mean? Just even, my man last. You be like, yo, shut the fuck up, nigga. Yeah, you kind of like it. SMD with a motherfucker. Hold the dick and boss. Yeah, with such and such sauce on it. You know what I mean?

Like, New York is disrespectful. The females will disrespect you. Like, worse than the, men. You know what I'm saying? So I understand how they felt. And it turned you on though still. Like you still be like, I said, yeah, yeah. You still love a chick and she's right. I got you. But yeah, man, you know, that was a beautiful thing for all that, man. And I just feel like it brought the city back. Yes,

it did. Awesome. That's what I mean. That's why this album you got, we dropped August 8th, correct? August 8th. That's why. Let's talk on the new album. Now I dropped this album, man, just because hip-hop I don't, I don't, I can't find hip hop no more. And I'm going to say that there's no hip hop. Right.

There's only a certain amount of people getting busy. Like for me right now, outside of like Benny, and we talk about 38th Spash, my man Ransom, you know, the Billy Dan's new album. Oh yeah, Billy Dan's new album. You know, uh, uh, like I, those niggas are consistent with what they do. Every album they put out, they don't change. Right. But a lot of the other shit was being forced down our throat every day, bro. Like, I ain't got no, nothing against young Miami saying spin that shit.

But I need to spend it, too. She's getting niggins is spending anyway, right? Yeah, but she got an anthem for them now. All due respect. It is an anthem. Yeah, right? Listen, I, part of me, please remember what you was saying. But I was in the club and I seen her put it on.

I've seen all these CEOs. No. With their head, I swear to God. That's a bad joke for you. Not that's been like that, dog. Right. She scored. She scored, man.

And I'm happy for somebody like that because she's like my daughter. My daughter might be young Miami's age. If my daughter's scoring like that, got a hit song, get money, it is what it is. I understand people get upset with the message sometimes. Right, yeah.

But then somebody make a joint that's called Save That shit. Hold that shit. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Stash that shit. We got a deep one out here for balance. I'm just saying. There's got to be a balance to this shit.

That's the thing. The balance is needed. You know what I'm saying? So if they're to spin that shit, there's a stash that shit. Same that shit. For niggas who's taking it on. Invest that shit. You know what I'm saying?

Why? So, you know, I made this album for people that's like, yo, man, I ain't trying to create no trends. Right. Or no, no, no, no, wave, if you want to say that. But what I did- You already got your own wave, though. Yeah.

I just wanted to bring back. Remember when you used to listen to an album, bro? And you used to listen to the album. The whole album. All of the shit didn't matter with the nigger had on and all that. I used to rock your shit. Right, right, right. I was, I'm flying the fucking left rack queens, right?

Far Rock away. My cousin's living far rock away. I'm even, I got a female in Briarwood. Okay, wow. That I'm saying. Briwood on the side of the left rack. You know what I'm saying? But meanwhile, we hate the law so we break it.

According to this life, there's no way to escape it. You either make it or you take it. There's no more of that, though. There's no more soundtrack to the street, real shit. But you said, Benny, you said Benny. Yeah, outside of the certain few that's doing it. So does the OGs count? Does the Jada Kisses count?

That's solidified. Okay. The kisses, the holes. Okay. You know, the fat Joe, everybody that got a name already is got a name. So it's nothing for you. If you make an album right now, a nigga would say, I don't like that shit. I don't like that shit.

Right. You still solidified that, bro. Exactly. You still solidified. So that you don't like it. That's cool. Right. That don't do nothing to my legacy or to the work I've already put it.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So you already did that. You came from the rap world, achieved success in the rap world, came into the podcast world, and now you top fucking top dog in this shit. When you talk top dogs, drink champs is in there. Right. You don't got nothing left to prove.

Right. That's how I felt. Right. When you're making this album, you say, yeah. We're still torn. You know what I'm eating? I'm eating. We're doing things.

My name's still relevant. Right. I don't really got nothing to prove. But I just wanted to show, yo, bro, this is what I grew up with. We had rhymes, man. Yeah, we, niggas can rap. There's dope beats. I grew up when it was subject matter.

You know, you had content to your shit. Right now, you could just make something catchy and get away with it. I grew up when, when Kooji Rap said, when I was five years old, I realized it was a road at the end I would win a lot of a box of golf. Telling his story, you know what I'm saying? I'm on the road to the riches. She ain't have nothing that. You know what I'm saying?

He was talking about that hunger. You know what I'm saying? My name came from the rebel, Chuck D. You know, Elvis was a hero the most, but he never meant shit to me. He said, motherfucker him and John Wayne. I never heard nobody say that shit. I didn't know who John Wayne was that back then. John Wayne was one of the most racist cowboy motherfuckers on TV.

But I didn't find out he was racist until later. I found out he was an ill cowboy. And I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, he said the thing of work. He was an actor. He wasn't really a cowboy. He was an actor. He did a lot of those classic movies when he was the cowboy.

But I'm just like, yo, Chuck D. He said, motherfucker him and John way. I like this dude. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Then he had flavor in the back. Yeah, Chuck. Yeah.

Fuck them niggins. You know what I'm saying? Don't listen to him, Chuck. That shit was dope to me, bro. So there's no more of that. That's what I'm saying. Like, so when you listen to rap now, a nigger talking about some silly shit.

Like most rap right now is they drill it. Yep. I'm drilling you, bro. I'm going to run up in the house. Oh, they scamming. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, where's that music like when we came up? that was just, even if it was a legal life,

just teaching you about them streets, right? Right. You know, Wu, Tain, protect your neck. Where's the song that's teaching you otherwise? You know what I'm saying? Well, it's like, yo, so many of us is going to get jammed up in that hustle. So many of us is going to get jammed up in the streets, bro. Right.

That there's nobody, there's a handful that's keeping it 100. Like, yo, bro, nah, nigger. Right. Nah, bro. I'm not going to send you out. on the drill. I ain't going, I'm not going to send you to your death, though. Right. You know what I'm saying? So now it's time for, it's time for OG niggas to say that type of shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? I got a song called Burgundy on that album.

And it's just telling you the most high will show you what's real. When things get hard, stand still. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, never let your crown fall because the devil want to see you downfall. So, nigg will be like, you're preaching. on the fucking dance floor, nigga. Stop that preaching shit. Right. But now I said, nah, niggas, that shit you need to learn, though.

You know what I'm saying? It's that shit you need to learn. You dumb motherfucker? These niggas can't even read index cards, bro. They can't even read on index cards. Niggas can't do math. Niggas run around here thugged out, though.

So if you're that illiterate in that shit, how illiterate you're going to be when it comes to hold of that gun, bro? Right. Then the nigger do some shit, get caught, on his man, you filmed it. You didn't have the fucking house you was in. You didn't bought your girl into,

niggas that had nothing to do with it. You don't brought into it. You don't told on a fucking, you got a family snitch pack. A snitch family pack. You don't bought six or more niggas down. That's a pack, bro. That's a pack.

You don't brought down, you got a snitch pack on you. But it's like, you know, we in a world, man, where we, as the OG niggas, got to start saying what's fucking official and saying what's real, bro. I'm not going to tell you

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Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you say the OGs need to speak up, are we saying the OGs need to speak up to other OGs or the OGs need to speak up to the young generations? Right. But be 100. Speak up to other OGs. And not trying to be a YG. Not trying to be a YN.

So hold on. Stop trying to be a Y. Old niggins, stop trying to be young niggas. Let me be, there was advocate. That's been the biggest problem for longer. To a certain. That's a problem right now. A lot of these young dudes, you can't really talk to, right?

They think they know it all, just like how we did, right? Guareteed. I believe the difference between our generation is we did look up to our elders and we did respect our elders. I believe that this generation does look up to their elders as long as their elders stay elder, elderly. Like, meaning what you said, like, if you say to a young and, yo, young and I like your style, man, but if you just, you know, pull up your pants a little bit, like, you'll pull up your pants a little bit so your drawers ain't showing, you know what I mean?

And that young you might say, as soon as you say, yo, I like your style and the young and it's like, yeah, word up. And then you say to them, just give them a little bit advice. But, you know, just pull up your pants a little bit so your drawers ain't showing. Yeah, yeah. What the fuck you talk about? Like, who the fuck you think you is? Like, you see how that could go wrong?

In the real world? Why the fuck I got to tell you to pull your pants up so your ass ain't shown? Exactly. Why should I even have to? That's the world I come from. Yeah, I come from Grandma house. Grandma slapped the shit out you back in the day. Pull your fucking parents up, boy.

Take your hat off in the house. Like, that's where we come from. So they don't have that. They didn't grow up with all that. They grew up with parents that were scared of them. Right. So when they're like, shut the fuck up, ma. Mom, shut up.

And a lot of their parents is, crack ass. No, that's serious. A lot of the fathers ain't in the picture. You know what I'm saying? So it's like a lot of the parents are scared of the kids, man. They're scared to tell them what's up. Now the kids walking around like, yeah, you better had, bitch, have my breakfast.

Talking to their moms. That used to be just some white kid shit. Used to be white kids. Used to be white kids. Yeah, yeah. Came to the ghetto. Yo, my nigga, when you see a 16-year-old walking down the block right now and this niggied up, sighted up.

siced eat up. Yeah. Black down with crocs on. Right. You don't know if this nigga gonna blast you or what the fuck he's thinking, bro? Or pull out of the beach shit. I don't know what you thinking, bro.

The whole mask shit, when we wore masks, we wore masks, we wore masks because it was that time. We throwing this mask on. We about to do something. Right. Niggas is wearing that shit for leisure now. Right, yeah. But you don't really know a nigga temperament.

A nigga just like, you know what? Fuck that, OG. You're looking at me too long. These young niggas, they're different, bro. They temperature is real on boil, you know? So it takes that to set them on. But I get what you're saying, man. I still sit them niggas down.

I try. I try, but, like, you know, the minute I ain't going to lie, I give up fast. It gets tough, yeah. You got to let it go, too. All right, because you know what it is? Some of them, what is the line I said? Sometimes they call you, OG. But they don't really mean it.

They just calling you old. You got to read in between it. You understand what I'm saying? OG means old. So yeah. So, yeah, yeah. I ain't got a lot. Like, it's almost like using the N-word. Like, sometimes you can hear somebody say, and then somebody can be like,

and it's like when they say, OG, like some of that is sweet. Sometimes it's sweet. Like, oh, gee, man, I think you. And then sometimes like, oh, gee. Like, oh, they're like, damn, man, you wearing your socks all the way up. Like, that's what they, that's what they try to say. Okay, OG.

But it's not about talking to them directly. I think it's leading by example. And if they see the older generation trying to act young, that's not leading by example. Well, what if you feel young? Nah, but you know, there's an immaturity level that people start acting. They can sense that you're not comfortable being aged.

They can sense it. They see it. And that's the thing. Some people are comfortable. You're trying to impress them too much. Right. And they're not impressed with your old ass. That's what it really.

Come down. That's why you just got to be you and do you. If they don't see that a future where they're like, I can be like that. Listen. I could be a cool old guy. If they don't see that, then they're like, I don't want to be like that. I'm myself, bro. When I beat myself around these little niggas, that's why I get little niggas to gravitate to me.

You know what I'm saying? I don't really chase them down. You need to. When they come at me or they come towards me, that's when I hit them. Right. Like, yo, bro, you want to be in my world? You got to do this, nigga. You don't have to check that gun under the table, you know?

I need to know when you got a pistol around me. Right, right. Shit like that. You know what I mean? Like, so, oh, gee shit. But that's how we grew up. That's how my older brother. Shout out my brother, R.C., man.

I watched him. That's what they did to us. Yo, we out there hustling cracks. Yo, stop running up to the car, man. You don't see the police right there? That nigger saw you. He'd been saw you. You know, if I could see you, he can see you.

You know, oh, dude, dude, you got the shit on you? Right. You got the shit on you? Nah, nigg, stashed that shit over there. Like, that's what the OGs did for us. Right. Now, in our music, bro, we don't kill the shot up so many niggists to our music. We taught them.

Right. People forget that. When you listen to the music of the 90s. Yeah, but let me protect us a little bit. Let me protect us a little bit. What? What? What?

We weren't putting the names and the blocks of the actual crimes. That's true. That's true. Like, even if we were doing that, like, even like, I ain't going to lie to you to you. one time tragedy had to tell me he said, yo, he said, yo, you know you could exaggerate in your rhymes. And I was like, what does that mean? Like, he was like, you know you don't have to

get into a shootout to write a fucking record. And I was just like, word? Like, I had to go through trauma in order for me to write. So, like, so like, yeah. Like, I literally, like, did I hear that about, like, Mary J. Blige's, like, she had to go through, like, her happiness of her love life for her to write some shit.

But that's how, like, But still in all, I was not, I was not saying, hey, man, I shot goldfaces. Right, right, right. On Tuesday at 4 o'clock. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I used the blue gun. And we got to smoke him afterwards. I had this gun right here.

And it's on camera on Walmart. You know what I mean? Just look, act for the Walmart people. Like, they literally saying that shit in their eyes. And literally filming it, like. And they really filming it. But that's the difference of today's world. Everybody today is in front of their phone, man.

Like, you don't even have to have no 9 to 5 job, bro. Who your thing started that shit? They letting them and niggas when they started to beheaded. Yeah. When they started to beheaded and they started on YouTube. And everybody like, yeah, that's. I don't think they started in front of a shit. Let's compete.

I remember faces of death. Yeah. I remember faces of death. You know faces of death. What? They have a whole version of in Puerto Rico. Like a Puerto Rican version of it? Yes.

Yeah, that shit. They kill your girl. They kill you and your girl. That shit. That shit was traumatizing to watch. My man, I think it was chef. Okay. I think it was Ray Kwan.

Yeah, he watched weird shit like that. We had, he had the best of faces. It's called the worst of faces of the death. You know, like the best out? It was called the worst of Faces of the Death. Yo, bro, three clips in. I can't do it. No, that shit's crazy.

It's crazy. You talk about me headings and all that. I can't do it. that, bro. But back to what you were saying about Mary, we said she had to That's what they say. Allegedly, yes. You all, everybody got to go through that, man. Yeah. So, you know,

shout out to her for that. I heard Shaw they say the same shit. That, that, they had to go through actual trauma to, in order to... They said, why you ain't making a new album? You said, yo, I ain't going through shit. I ain't experiencing that type of shit that I was experiencing before. So I'm like, for me, all the ass kicking

that I just took over the last four to five years. Right. I made a burgundy. I made a joint called Funny Style. Black coffee. You know what I'm saying? Funny style would niggas be your main man. Mm-hmm.

I just went through something with my main man. Shout out my man, D.L. too, bro. I love you. You're doing some sucker shit, but I love you, bro. Whenever you, whenever you ready, pick up the phone, my nigga. Now, that's day one shit. That's my day one nigger. That's real.

I could be like fuck him too. Right, right, right, right. But I know what it is. He's going to do more shit than I know about. Okay. So shout out to you, bro. Call me when you ready, my nigga, but we're going to address sucker shit. Okay, how yeah.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, like I said, you got to go through things to put that out. So when you hear certain songs for me, funny style and purgandy and all the type, I got songs like flight school, Shaolin Rebel, where it's just, yeah, nigga, body bag, bag, bars and all that. But I want to teach you, I want you to learn something. I don't want to, I come from the school, and when I was listening to rap growing up, you know, IRS 1 had black cop, you know, love's going to get you. Yeah.

It was called edutainment. Edutainment. I mean, it wasn't called that. It was edutainment, you know what I'm saying? No, he didn't literally say that's what it was, but that's what it was. He's a song called entertainment. Edutainment. He definitely had that.

He didn't call his whole genres, what I'm saying? No, eventually he did. Not at first. You're correct. Not at first. Yeah, but he came up with the term, adjuteming. But, you know, them type of songs, black cop. I think that's what you, Nas, like for me, for me, I, for me, this is for me, right?

And if you had knowledge of self, right? And even if you didn't have knowledge of itself, you knew that Wu-Tang and Nas had a message. Mm-hmm. You knew that. Like, for me, that was that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I used to entertainment.

And, like, Chris, Chris let you know that he'll hold a nine million. millimeter. Right. And then also the black cops, he's mad at the black cops, and then he also like, he's doing social commentary. Yeah. So like to me, but to me, that's where Nas and Wu-Tang

took over. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And in a certain way, a little bit more street, right? Yeah. It was the evolution. Yeah. It kept a ballpark. But I always felt like I learned something listening to Wutteg. You don't think the war report was the same thing? Yeah, we followed y'all's two footsteps. Absolutely.

Yes. You're making my point. The war was the same thing, bro. So it's like, that's what I'm getting at. Like, we was teaching niggas in the streets how to move in the streets. Yes. In that case. Like, shout out of Capone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's supposed to be the guest host. If he's supposed to surprise you with him. Oh, that would have been dope. That would have been dope. Shout out of the poem, man. So it's like, yeah, man. You know, and so coming from that, like I said, rock him.

Mm-hmm. Move. move the crowd. Yep. He's just like, suddenly I had this. People wasn't mean. They're something of madness.

So I get standing around. So I get closer and the closer I get, the better it sound reminds us have to activate. He's talking about hip hop, bro. He's not talking about no killing murder, none of that shit. He didn't curse. I was saying.

And it felt aggressive without curse. So when you see me come up free, so you'll be one of them seven MCs, it thinks I'm a new jack. It only if they knew that day you think wrong. They can't do that style that I'm doing. Back then, we're young. We hear him.

I'm like, y'all, how he do that? How he kicked that fly shit like that? Put the words together. So now I want to do it. So now I'm getting involved. Like, oh, okay. Now hearing Big Daddy Kane come get some. He's a bum.

I take the cake, but you can't get a crumb. It was like, oh, shit. And then, you know, you listen in, some niggas is comical and funny with it. Right. Bismarck. You know what I'm saying? Granddad are you? Some niggas is just telling punchlottie jokes and things like that.

But then here come my big daddy came. That's the battle. I just can't hold back with soul. A lot of the man. He can troll into effects and what the heck. What? Just like, yo, I'm with that shit. You know what I'm saying?

I'm with that shit. Then I heard Chuck D. Oh, again to me. I got a letter from the government the other day. I opened it up. Said they were suckers. They're trying to drive me. I ain't fighting this shit for y'all.

That's how he was feeling. Right. Same nigga that said, the fuck him in John Wayne. I'm like, I'm fucking with him. That's what they tried to do to Muhammad Ali, right? Yeah, yeah. Fight this war.

He said, Muhammad Ali said, quote unquote, nigga ain't no gook ever called me, ain't no Chinese man ever called me, nigga. Yeah. That was hard. You know what I'm saying? That was hard.

Fuck it. Go down for what you stand on, bro. That's where I'm at mentally. That's why I said, yo, bro, I'm not being no label slave. Right. I won't put no fucking music out. You're not going to own me and treat me like, you're a hole on the strip.

So now I'm not making nothing until I get out of these contracts and all that shit. I get out the contract. Do your fans suffer when you do things like that? The fans suffer, but they don't understand what it is. You know what I'm saying? Like the fans, you got to really tell them. No, nigga, look, this is the contract. But, you know, at the time, you're not trying to do that.

You're just like, yo, listen, man, I'm going to fall back. I'm not doing this. I'm not going to be jerked around. basically. So you want to jerk names? You want to do that? I do the shit independently. I was putting shit out on my own, bro. Whatever records I sold is what I sold. I was able to keep my lights on. You know what I'm saying? Take care of my kids. All that shit. And I wasn't mad. Zarf face was holding me down.

Crazy. Yeah. You did the Zarface versus Gaufe. Ghostface? Yeah. We did, uh, you know. We got like, you know, bro, we got like this shit right here? That's a movement y'all built with that. We got like 13 projects, though? I got more. That's in my nose.

too because you got hold on you guys are selling lunchbox merch I got it I got it lunchbox

escape what man oh shit yeah yeah yeah for real man Zawface lunch box

it's real man we want our masterpiece yeah wow wow you don't see Zalface cereal on a minute

you know what I'm saying so it's like you know sky's a limit why stop there you feel me I don't I don't be

I'll keep my shit regular but yeah if I got to do it You got a rewind time. You dip with that a little bit, man. I'll be on there like this.

So we don't know if you know, but our show is about giving people their flowers, man, why they can smell them. You know what I mean? They thoughts where they could tell them. It's thoughts where they could ding them. And they drinks why they could drink them. We want to give you your flowers, your props.

Long overdue. To your face. This is long overdue, man. I appreciate that. You are a legend, man. You are a motherfucking. One of the best living with 10-m motherfuck of James. That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. When they give you your flowers, when you're still here, right. Yeah, absolutely, man. So, that's dope. So I'm going to tell you something that I'm sure you know.

I'm going to position that. That's right. I'm sure you know, but I had went to Paris and I got to see the Naz and Wu-Tang show, right? And I had not heard nothing, had heard nothing prior to that, right? I had heard nothing prior to that, like how the show was or how it was going to be. So I remember me speaking to Steve Rifkin.

And Steve was like, what? You're here? And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go backstage. I'm going to watch the show. And I remember Steve being like, no, we got to get you on stage. And I was like, oh, Steve, man. Like, you don't really understand. Like, I'm a Nas and Wu-Tang fan.

I'm not here as Norrie at all. Yeah, I'm just, I'm here as a fan. So I tried my best. And, you know, I tried to, like, not be seen. But then I finally got a place where I can go to the side. I grabbed the chair. and I had sat down and I had not known

that y'all were going song from song like Naz and Wooten and the shit played like a mixtape like when I tell you that's one of the greatest shows I've ever seen

one I was not aware I did not know how you guys were doing it and I didn't want to know like he kept telling him he was like he goes to backstage

and I was like no disrespect I'll go after the show but like before the show I want to be like I want to be like a fan like I literally took like three people

pictures and I just was like no more. Like I'm going over there. You know, I'll take pictures with everybody. But I watched that and it was so well put together. And I believe when we had Rizzo on here, I asked Rizzer about that, right? And so when you got confronted with this tour and then they presented that idea because me personally, I've been in this game 25, 26, maybe I'm trying to shave her for a couple of years. You know what I'm saying? And I have never seen that.

I had never seen two acts come together because even. when me and Cameron went on tour together, he had O'Boy and I had Homeboy. I came to party and he had, oh boy, and one week Cameron were when, he would close out this show. The next week, I would be like

maybe two more spins than him than I would close out the show. But it wasn't like we thought, we were both promoting the same fucking soundtrack was paid and fall. Had we thought, like, me and Cam, like, yo, why don't we go song for song as opposed to who closes out? So that was the first time.

Right, right. What I'm saying is, besides the show being dope, besides the music being perfect picked. But as you were to peeped at. I was just looking like I had never seen this done before. So what I'm saying is, my point is, because I got real fans that out, my bad, my bad. But my point is, when this got presented,

they say you're going to go on tour with Nod. Wu-Tang is going on tour because, you know, sometimes you don't show off. Not that dude, bro. Okay, so, yeah, so how did they got presented? When he came, he's like, yo, we're going to do it with Nod. I believe it was Buster, too, at the first one. Knives and Buster, right?

You know, bus is, I love Buss, man. Buster's just like, yo, God, we're going to smash this shit. You know what, Slipp is like, nigga, you know, you know what time of this, sir? You know, and then Nause is just like, yeah, God, we're going to. You know, he's so smooth with the shit. He's smooth, he's just like, yeah, this is going to be monumental. Right, right.

You know what I'm saying? And I just, and then, you know, I remember Nause, being on stuff. years ago. Then, like, when we did that first tour with him, and he came out. You talked about the recent one, the Nassan Wu. The first, the first Nass and Wu shit. No, no, no, that we did as far as the Woutain tour. Okay, okay.

We did two tours with him. We did one overseas. Okay. The first one we went on with Naz and Buster. Okay. He did one mic. Okay, wow. That shit was so fucking incredible because they didn't lower the stage light.

They had that one light on them. And he was just right there, like, all I need is one mic, one stage, one. And it's just like, and I'm looking at how to crowd, everybody's just mesmerized into the shit he's saying. I didn't even know the rhyme like that. I know the song, but that moment had me sitting there like, now I'm listening to him.

And I'm just like, and he starts out with the low voice, and then he, and then he rages. And the song, then he raised his piece. Yo, I'm watching the crowd react to that shit. And I'm like, there's nine of them. us, bro. Right, right, right. There's none of us to get that reaction out there.

He's by himself, no hype man, no nothing. And I'm watching, like, this motherfucker is nice. Not just the lyrics, just his stage presence and all that shit. Man, I love that tour. Like, I love how they interacted, like when they, what is it, verbal intercourse. And then you got ghosts and rage coming out. But then slowly, but surely, as they're finishing theirs,

you nod slowly sneaks off and it comes back out. And it was just like, it was just so perfectly put together. That's how it, that song brought him out. Right. It snuck him out. Yeah. And then goes to race, Nico. Yes.

And he did his thing and then he bring them back out. It was so beautiful. It was like a play without it being in a play. It was like a play mixtape. If you could make a mixtape. A mixtape? Like a musical. Without it being a play.

Like, would it be in a musical, but it's not a music. I don't know what I'm describing it. That's what it is. No, you right. You right. You right. I was sitting there like, it was like a, it was like a, It was like an act.

It was like act one, act two. That's all we mentioned. Like the props, like all the props to go along with it. Wow. Wow. That might be something in the... Wow. I saw that shit with my own eyes.

I was like... If we go out with nods and busts, we got to bring the props now. We got to make that because you just said it. It's like a mixtape play. That's exactly what it was. Now, for lack of a better term, right? Wu-Tang, they say once you outgrow black famous, you become like rock star fan. famous, right? I believe it's black famous, then white famous, but then rock star

famous is like global, right? And Wu-Tang, for some reason, even when y'all were bad for Hot 97, it actually felt like it worked for y'all. Like, even though, like, you might tell me, nah, no, that shit ain't worked for us. But for us or the outside of looking in, it worked. What's the difference between going on tour with a rock band, like, raised against the machine as going on tour with like rough riders or like a, uh, uh, nah, so, uh, What's the difference? I think it's exactly what you said. That's the black famous crowd.

You know what I'm saying? It ain't nothing wrong with black famous. Black famous means we accept. Right. We accept you. You know what I'm saying? If you black famous, yo, we accept you. The hood accept you.

But that rock star, the white famous is a different level too because once white people start buying your albums, right. Your trajectory shoot up automatically, whether it's sales, whether it's your visuals, you know, your bookings, whatever the case. But then when that rock and roll level shit kick in, like when the blacks and the whites accept you like that,

now the doctors of the blacks. The Asians, Koreans, the African, everybody's accepting you now. Yeah, you international. Like you said, the doctors, like the normal people that wasn't listening to you, they listening to you. You know what I'm saying? You got doctors, you got vets.

You got people, you know, sanitation workers. Whoever, they wasn't normally on to you like that. Now they check. Like that's what I think this Rock and Role Hall of Fame is going to do for us. Being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I can't go to Walmart no more in Dallas. Oh, I'm on. But we can't gloss over that. We got to make some noise.

Yeah. Yeah. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is coming in November, November 15th. Oh, shit. But once that happens, it's like. November 15th. And that's in L.A.? That's in Cleveland.

I need to nothing. Yeah. That's in Cleveland. Yeah, okay. Is it? No, I think it's LA. Oh, yeah? It's LA.

It's LA. Okay, okay. L.A., November 15. No, the Rock and Roll Museum is in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm on point. I'm a little bit. The Hall of Fame induction, you know, that's Queen Latifah. Yeah.

You know, it's a couple people with us, you know what I'm saying? A couple people going in with us. There's an MC Light? Yeah, MC Light too. Okay. I know they did LL and J. We got a couple of women with us this time. Okay.

And then. So Wu-Tang Clan is motherfucking going to become. That's huge. Houton. and it's rocker roll of fame, man. That's why I say, I don't really got that in love.

Can it be? That's why I ain't got shit to prove, go out there and fuck with that Dragon's rep album, man. You just want to hear lyrics. You want to hear rap, the shit you grew up off of, especially if you're in my age, than the graphic.

You know, young, I don't know what to tell you, man, maybe tune in and you might learn something, you know what I'm saying? You might, you know, you might look at it. That's that old-haired shit. That's the old-n-n-ha shit. cool you're entitled to that because you're a young nigga. I was your age once,

you know what I'm saying? But if you're 20, 22, 23, you're in that age bracket, bro, and you get a hold of some grown man shit, this is it right here, you know what I'm saying? This is it. Like, you got A-Z album out there, you got Billy Dan's album out there. Billy Dance. Yep.

There's a lot of good hip-hop that's coming out, man, that's keeping it official, keeping it 100 to the grain. Right. You know, like, you know, of course there's the other shit that's... So me and people with EFN age, we can't complain that there's no good

hip hop out there. That's why he doesn't listen to hip hop. He doesn't know who new Uzi Monster is. He doesn't know. And you do? Nope. New Uzi Monster? I just made that up.

He just made that. But there probably is that. Oozian monsters like, yo, what the fuck? Yeah, what you were? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so little Uzi Monster. He was playing around. If you exist, shit.

He might be out there. I'm about to go stream myself. You can clown at me in that. You can play it around for this, but only somebody really is. And they're clowning me. But nah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's just more or less like,

this is just, I remember we used to listen to Mr. Magic rap attack. Okay, hell yeah. Mr. Magic Molly Ball. You know, Mr. Magic Molly Maul, man. And they used to be like, this, this is a super, super, super, Mr. Mr. Magic, Magic,

super, blast, blast, boom. And then you hear like, Don't dooms Nobody beats the biz Nobody beats the biz And he, Marley in there grilling that shit Got the record on the fucking grill, bro

grilling it Then you pass the baton You got Pete Rock and Molly in control You know what I'm saying Pete Rock and Pete Rock and Molly Control is one of them shows Oh yeah Them niggas is playing all the fly new shit

But even before then When you want to go back to Mr. Magic DNA Hank Love, audio special K, Teddy Ted, the awesome too. Bro, I grew up on all that shit. Take your girl of Billy Jeans now. So, y'all know. Sorry to cut your wisdom, but who was the first person that you remember to play Protect Your Neck? And where was you at when you heard Protect Your Neck?

Shout out my big bro, man. I just seen him at Method Man's party. Kid Capri. I thought she was going to say Stressor on Strong. Kick! Shout out, Capri. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Kid Capri.

Describe. Yeah, you got it. Yes. Okay. And where are you at? Stretch let us up on... What was it? What was it?

The... The college radio, right? Yeah. He was up there. He was up there. We came like 100 deep to his show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now, Kid Capri.

Kid Capri played the record. I was at Wizers... We was at Riz's... I would say his mom. No, no, he wasn't at his mom. No, no. He wasn't at his sister's house. Okay. Morningstar.

The... The address that's... on the first protect your neck single with the orange, not the one with the book and the sword. Not this one, not this one. Yeah, not that one that had the orange sticker on it. It says, Morningstar Road

on it. Okay. He was there. Okay. King of Prey said he's going to play it. And this is protect your neck? This is protect your neck. Because what I heard it wasn't even mixed. Or was that the video that wasn't mixed? The video was

the video wasn't mixed in the video. I'm sorry. The record. The record was done. The record was done. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's a video. But he had, we had the, um, yeah, we had the, like the whatever numbers at the bottom.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, on the video. Yeah. For the most part. That's like, for the most part. But we're, we played at that. Where did he play it at?

He played it. Where was he at? Was he on the radio? He was on the radio. Okay. Not how many seven? Was he on WBL? No, he might have been on 98.7 on WBL.

Oh. One of them two. Okay. But, um, when we got, when we got to Rizers's house, It was a mom there. Everybody was there. And we was like, yo, you think you're going to play it? You know, he's going to play it?

Yo, Wiz was like, yeah, kid going to play it. I trust him, man. He told me, looked me in my eye. He said he was going to. And then we watch it. That time's going by. You know, he got an hour slot. It's like 20 minutes left, 40 minutes.

We're like, he ain't going to play this shit. Fuck that. You know, a couple of niggas left. But then it comes on. You hear that karate chops. Beanie. I was like, oh, yeah, we went crazy. We went crazy.

I know we was leaping off the floor. And you were in standing out. We were jumping up. We grabbing each other. Everybody's fucking, you know, me, I'm going crazy because I'm first. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, I smoke on the mic. Like, oh, you're smoking your brain.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, my nigga, like, you know, I'm happy. Yeah, I'm like, you know, make more noise and heavy metal. And you said David Hood's Spider-Man. You said that. I said that. I've always been a Spider-Man, you know what I'm saying? Good, cool, good.

Exactly. I was in the first time you heard me, I said Spider-Man. Now, like, yo, math is coming up. The way I make the crowd, no, the way I make the crowd go wild. I was like, oh, you know, Ray going crazy. But I'm hearing this verse, like, I'm hearing it for the first time. That's right. Like, yo, the way I make the crowd, sit back, relax, don't smile.

Ray got it going over that. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I can't even explain that. But I know I just saw Keith Capri recently. and I just did the same shit to him My nigga, come here, y'all. I love you, bro. Thank you.

You know what I'm saying? So we're officially saying to here. According to that, Kickapree was the first one. Kiki Prey played that shit on the radio. Let's back. Shout out to the kid, man. Did you say it?

He gave me a disc drive full of beats on some, yeah, this is. He's very serious about producing, yeah. He's very serious. And he wasn't produced the whole album. He gave me a whole time. He's dope. He got some flashed to the way.

Shout out kid, man. Did you explain how you got the record to him? I don't know. Did you say, how did y'all connect? I think Rizzer connected with him and bought the record too. But if it wasn't Rizzer, I'd probably been Mook because we had Mook running around. Okay. Doing all that.

Moot was running the record stores. At him, you know, telling him, y'all ain't got that new protecting that shit. Right. And doing it on purpose. Right. Like, oh, y'all thing is crazy. If you'd be in there, like, you'd be us three, you know, he ain't got the shit. If you listen to the actual album, that's Martin Moore.

That says, you're going to play the Routanga again? I'm going to say college radio, but that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was NYU radio instead of the time. No, when I met Martin, I was like, you were a legend already. Yeah, yeah, that was the guy who put us on, the guy who put us on on your skis. He's on the skits. Wow.

He's on that skit. Interviewing you guys. That's crazy. That's great. That's the, so, yo, yeah. By the way, the caller, that's more and more. That's the guy who, that was our A&R. That's wild.

That's why. That's why we're going to be directly. You can again and again. Oh, shit. Yeah, that big, my world. Shout out to that guy. I never knew who that was. I never knew who that was.

He got like a classic voice. So that album. Like, yo, oh, man, again. And Wu Tang again. Again and again. So I heard you say that, and then we want to get into a quick time of slime. So I heard you say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go ahead. Oh, you want to hit the back again. Yeah, yeah. No problem. We're going to play our drinking game now. Oh, shit. Call QuickTime with slime. We're going to give you two choices.

If you pick one, we don't drink. But if you say both or neither of all. You got to drink. We all drink it. He's drinking for Norrie today. All right. And this is not really pinning anybody. We just want stories out of anybody we bring it up.

Really? It's what it is. And it's your criteria. Whatever this person means to you or this place or whatever. Okay. So the first. First one is, Rizza or Jizzer? Rizzo or Jizzar?

Why are you doing that to me, man? That's Mr. Lee over there. Damn, man, I start out with a blast. You're going to drink my one. Muzza or Jizzah, man. I can't choose all that. Okay, we're taking a shot. Come on, I'm a, I'm a.

Good shot. Yeah, cheers, cheers, cheers. I'm going to take one for that. Right. Wiz or Chizzo. Whoa, y'all coming out early with the guns. All right. Get Bell, Pure Fiber Internet with Cra

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Pause, because I know y'all. I know y'all on that shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But no, I'm going to go nize on that. I'm not going through this one. Just because of today. I'm going to keep it today.

Nice. Kiss or styles? Ooh. Okay. It's a little. Yay. I love styles, though. Don't get that twisted.

He drank, yeah. I love, I love styles. Yeah, because I'm going to say both of that. Kiss is legendary, but styles, I feel, doesn't get the flowers he should get, too. Yeah. Because he's right there, man. I feel like there's no. beat that you can put on and styles can't rap

to it. Bro, my ringtone. We going make. They're going back and forth by my safe flip up, my walls do with 360. We got the government. Yo, he said, he said, uh, and if I've,

and you say, oh my God, I came in, and if you're facing capital pun passed me the gun and I'm going to give you time to run while I rapidly. The whole thing that came before that. Right. Everybody on my faculty reel. I love my, he said, I love my brother for the faculty real.

Nobody on the faculty squibre. Anyway, you know what I'm saying? Right. Stiles and Jada, bro, that's a one, they're one and the same to me. All right, so let me flip it on you. 38 special or Jeter Kiss? Hmm. See, I got a, I got to give it to Kiss because of Kiss track record and his body of work and what he's done already.

38 ain't no joke neither. Spech ain't no joke neither. And special is on the rise. Spez's not only is he a dope MC, well, he's a dope businessman. You know what I'm saying? So I got to give it to kiss because of the longevity

and what he already established. Like I said, 38, 38 is a problem now. You're going to be a problem in the future, too. But I'm just going to give kiss that one notch up. Okay. All right.

Tom Hardy or Frankie Politzer? That's the same person, right? Hey, man. Hey, I mean, I guess I'm not allowed to say that. Okay, about that. I'm going to go Frankie on that. Frankie is way better than Tom. But y'all got joints together.

Yeah. I got to sit my notes. That's in my note. That's a good one. Fourth disciple or true master? I'm going to give it the true. I'm going to go true master on that. True's a bad man.

Truth's a bad man, too. But True is, True got the mudfoot from, you know, the Cosby kids. He's mudfoot, you know. He's just dirty. You heard, uh, dangerous ground. Met the man, dangerous ground. That's true. That's true at his best, besides Brooklyn Zoo dirty bad.

Which is crazy. Yeah. Killer Army are sons of man. Sonsa man. Sonsa man. DJ Premier or Pete Rock? He gonna hate me for this. I'm gonna go Primo.

Okay. I'm gonna go Primo. You know? Pimo gave me a classic, too. So, you know, they both gave me classics, but I'm gonna go. I'm only going Primo because Pete didn't give me that beat, nigga. You didn't give me that beat that asked for. You're personal.

Yeah. You know what time of this, though. Shout out to Pete Rodman. But that's a primo one like to. All right. Killer priest or Shabazz the disciple? Killer priest. Shout out Killer priest.

Shout out Killer priest. Yeah, shut out. Killer priest, definitely. Boot camp click or flavor unit? Ooh, okay. Flavor unit, Latifah, Zahis. Lock him, Shabazz.

He had a few heads. Man Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Taking a shot? Drinking? Yeah, okay. Cheers.

People sleep on flavor unit. That's why I say, I come from hip-hop, so I know, I remember a lot of chemistry bad. And we're talking about the crew because they also, a management coming up.

So we're talking about thinking of the crew. Yeah, yeah, see, the crew, yeah, there's the company. Yeah, remember Almighty Arssoe is a part of that. Yeah. See what I'm saying? Yeah.

There's more heads to that. So I can't just say, you know, right? Yeah, both. That's a both thing. You got or Master Killer? You're killing me right now, man. You know we're drinking to that.

Okay, I see. Good, good. Yeah, Killer and Killer. Shout out the boat for them, man. Master Killer album coming out with Rock M and Corrupt real soon, too. Yeah, I'm on Master Killer's last album. Yeah, he got some heat on there from what I heard. That's some heat.

And Mathematous, I got you, right? Mathematics. Mathematics, I got you. That's a lot. Mattoe. Salute. Yeah, man. Mopier.

You got some good ones today, bro. I'll be watching this show. You don't be hitting other nigs with this one. Let me see. M-O-P a M-M-Dete. I'm going to drink today. Okay. I didn't even have shit.

I'm drinking nothing. Come on, man. Be smashed leaving here. Don't be those questions. Pass that feet. Feet liquor. Hey, man. Hey, man.

Mama Hanna King. Shout out to you, bro. Shout out to my Warnak. What's that right there? This is that Dominican Mama Hwana. Dominican Mama Hwana. Dominican Monson Shine. It's like a moonshine thing.

That's what, that's how you say moonshine? No, no, I'm saying. It's like a moonshine. This is a mama huana. It's made with feet. No, no, don't listen to him. It's made with who? No, no, don't listen to him.

Feet? He's trying to say they're stepping on the grapes and shit in the bathroom. Oh, okay. It's made in a bathtub and kinsom. It's made in a bathtub with big bunnies. You said a guy. A guy who had a big bunnies. Guy to land.

It's delicious. It's delicious. Chath a bar. You go from one extreme to the other. Never mind, it's delicious. He's wild, right? What's Mama Juana, though? What's that?

Mama Juana. It's a fermented liquor. Like, the Caribbean, most countries, they make a fermented type of liquor. I'm saying, what the word itself means? Oh, Mama. Like Mama? And then Juana is like a name, like a girl's name, Hwana. Mama Hwana.

This is when you know you don't want to drink it. When they can't even explain with the champagne. You made no sense. It's a sound on exact. You're Dominican. You're Dominican. It's just sound important or something. All right, Lee.

What does Mama Hwana mean? Mama Havana. Yeah, he doesn't. He don't know. He doesn't know. So nobody knows. We're just going to force some of that stuff. It's just drink up.

It's just stepped on. Bear for it. So it's wine, though. Wine is his feet liquor on a low. Yeah, for sure. But it goes through a lot more processed wine. This dude ballads it in the cat in the tub. No, that's right here.

Now he goes to. The body looks like it's going to get you fuck. You want to try some? Maybe later. Yeah, I'll just later. Who else we got? Tupac or DMX? Rest and peace of both.

Two pocket DMX. Damn. Those are some fucking good ones, bro. I love... I love Pock. One of my favorite songs of Pock is the shit from above the rim. Oh, I know.

Yeah. So much pain. The pain. No, no, no. Yeah, I know the record you're talking about me. You know what I'm saying? But so much pain. That joint.

But, wait, we said, two by the hood? Or DMX? Now, DMX helped me get through my goddamn therapy, bro, recently. I'm slipping. I'm falling. I can't get up. I had that shit on repeat for some reason because I was just channeling this spirit. DMX is one of the realest niggas I ever met, man.

I met Pock once or twice, but I met, I met X. Didn't Pock sneak you on a mom made up? Park took me off my armada. He took you off my name. He took my verse off that shit. But I'm not going to say X because of that.

Okay. Okay. Pop did some wild shit. But it was just more of, you know, it was, I was out in Cali with Mepin Red. They was doing,

they was doing a bunch of shit. It might have been, you know, a couple of videos, whatever. But I was out there with them, more or less. Montel Jordan was And at the time he had, this is how we do it. They filmed that video.

I'm in the video on the low key. The nigga with the back with Yankee had. Yeah, I'm in the video just acting stupid. Not really, you know what I'm saying? Not really caring because it didn't matter to me. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. I was a joke.

I was the joke. I see what sober it is. And you? You see me? You see me in the back with the knee hat on the video, you know what I'm out there. I'm out there with Mepin Red. And, you know, it's the inside joke that he brought back. Yeah, but now, we went to Daz's house after that.

You know, after the video shoot, you went to see Daz Corrupt, Lady of Rage was there, shout out Rays, Rays, RABX. The original death row. They was all there, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, Meph and Red was doing a track with Daz, and I believe Corrupt got on it. And then Daz was working the beat. But, you know, it's like being in the studio, money.

You see everybody jumping in. It's like double-dutch, everybody jumping in the rope. I'm like, hold up, girl, I'm here too. But there's no pocket here. But Pac ain't there. Pac ain't there. You know what I'm saying? So it's you daz, corrupt, rabed, meth, meth, rage, RBSX, you know, all types of motherfuckers.

And how did you get on the track? Because I'm here too. Okay, I can. I'm here too, motherfucker. Did you go first? Recognize my name. Because you're going first. My son of Mike and Flames.

My name's the Rebel. Okay, okay. I came in like, yo, listen, I'm going to talk my shit too. But, you know, I wasn't supposed to be. on a track. It wasn't even supposed to be a track. Dan's just do a beat on. And Meph was just like, I got my mind made up. Come on, you can get it, get it to

it. Anytime. You know, that's an old discos drink used to rock back in New York. But Meph was singing it. Dad was like, yeah, that's fire. He kept that ass like a hook. So then Meph went in. Then Red Man goes in. Jail felony.

I don't think Jail felony was there. Now, Dail Ferellick was there. Corrupt was there. Corrupt goes in. Lady of Rage. BX. It's all types of motherfuckers rapping. You think I'm going to sit there and not rap, bro? I'm like, yo, I'm in this shit too. Especially that time frame. At that time frame, you know what I'm saying? I don't even think

I got my album out yet. So I'm like, yo, I got to. And I just stepped to the mic. Yo, I set the mic in flames. My name's I. And it's the rebel. Murder on style. Smash minds. States to Pebble. Mental terrorists, specialists at this. You know, I'm just coming in like, menacing Levinsist. That was the rhyme.

That was the rhyme. Oh. Menacing, lyricists, leave crews, offenses, hand design, landmines, lick off like nines, paralyze everything. Heirs ring like door chimes. Head start to turn like police who passed. They hear the blast. My crew was through like tear gas, fuck a mask. We laced the place like the marshals. Sparkle like diamonds but harmful as coffins.

I'm like, yo, fuck that. I'm here too. You know what I'm saying? My shit gets chopped at the end of the day. Because I heard pop came home. Right. Right. And he signed a death row. He took everybody records.

And he just came looking for records. Anything that was put together, anything that was, I heard Sam Sneed, they had some shit going on with him and Lazy Blah. But, you know, when it came to Dads, Dads, Dads'all, shout out to Mother fucking Dads Dallings. Yeah, shout of Dads Dillinger. Dad Dillings. He kept my ad-lives on the track. Oh, that's right. That's how I knew he was on.

My adlibs on the track. But my ad-lips being on the track, he also told me when he was done. during, he did a video. He did a video with the lawsuit that he got going on with Snoop. He was like, yo, inspect the debt, go get your money. Yeah. Because my lyrics are still on that album.

You know, Kanye West bit that from y'all. Kanye West did that. Can't tell me nothing. He had GZ verse on there, and then he took GZ verse away, but he left GZ's ad lips. So he got that from y'all. Yeah, that's dope. But it's like, yo, I'm daz, dad's, bro.

I didn't make that up. I think that's what happened. Just ride with you guys. Just ride with you. Because I just started about that. Somebody's going to be like, yeah, no, he's right. And I am right, but I'm speculating. My man, Dad is Dillinger, man.

He told him, he said, yo, if I was, if he said it on a video to me. Right. Yo, if I'm inspected deck, I would go get my publishing. Right. I was like, I didn't know I can. It is a feature at the same time, right? Even though you took the person. So I said, yo, let me.

I'm about to go. go after that. And sure enough, he was 100% right. So I said, yo, my man, I I fuck with dads forever, bro. You know what I'm saying? Because not only did he keep me on the track, he gave me the jewel to go get the publisher to it, because I wasn't thinking that I was entitled to it.

Imagine what the publishing is on that shit right now. That shit is like multi-million dollars. So, you know what I mean? But let me flip it and bounce it because, I don't know we still go quick time of slime, but let's just address the elephant in the room when it comes to that. Pock used that at not the best time for East Coast artists.

So a lot of people kind of receive slack, I believe, Buccat clip. We spoke about that with Cocoa Brothers, Smith & Wesson, Still Attack. But Meph and Red kind of like, this was like smack dead in the middle of the war, war. Like even Bucat clip was like the beginning. But the mind made up was like shots is already fired. Like I was about literal shots. I think Mom already had the. Yeah. That's my record. They didn't give us no credit. But it's okay.

That was your record, but they didn't give us a question. Yeah, it was Copona Noriega. Yeah, it was C&NN's Mexican. Wow. How was the backlash? Because at that time, after hit him up, like, we did love Pac in New York, right? Yeah. But hit him up was so disrespectful. And it wasn't just disrespectful to the city or to our king, but it was actually disrespectful to like his wife, right? He was like, yeah. So how? Was there backlash coming from that? Like, you know, having a Wu-Tang member on what was considered at that time.

I didn't get no backlash from being on Puck shit. Okay. Because, you know, Puck had a, you know, one thing about us, bro, we came a certain way so that we attracted certain type of people. While we didn't really know Pock and Shug and all that, when we did have a chance to come across them, it was respect, love. It was nothing more than that. You know what I'm saying?

But we also had other niggas in the streets, too, on all sides. Whether it was blood, clips, or essays or whatever the fuck. Of course. We was always in the mix of all that shit. But we felt like we, West Coast wasn't dissing Wu-Tang, bro. And it wasn't really East Coast West Coast to start with. It wasn't. It was true.

It was that crewed. And the media made it try to make it. They made the East Coast, West Coast. Because, you know, the fans take it. Live magazine is the one that really blew it up. Definitely. And so now it's not even the artists. Right.

It's the fans of the music that's taking it to it. So now, yo, East Coast rappers can't come to the West Coast. West Coast rappers can't come to the East Coast. It ain't no artists saying that shit. Right, right. It's just the fandom of it all. You know, it's like, yo, when we out there on the West Coast,

them niggas had love for us. At the same time, they was trying to dis-mob deep. They was trying to shit on. East Coast in general But they're coming up to us like this Right Now we're looking at it like Okay, we don't got no beef

We ain't got no problems But we understand how we can be looked at By our East Coast niggas Like yo, y'all not helping Ain't nobody come to us for no fucking help, bro Ain't nobody say, yo, whoa, or whatever Half of the niggas that we was dealing with Outside of Mom deep

Ain't even tight like that Right You know what I'm saying? Now, if mob would have been like, yo, if it was some Wu-Tang and mob shit, I'm sure we'd have responded for the mob, bro. You know what I mean? Or a Nause or something. If it would have came to the...

Nause held his own. Yeah, of course. Nause held his own. He saw them niggas by itself. He had about five niggins to their 50 and still walked up on the nigga and said what he had to say. So, you know, that's what it was at that time, bro. Like, you had to represent yourself. Wasn't nobody going to come and be like, yo, I'm about to fight for Nori

because Norway don't want to Or nor are we going to come fight for me because I don't want to go say to them. Nah, nigga, you had to bump into niggas. That's the difference then. And now you couldn't come to L.A. and be off the radar. You had to come to one of the famous clubs.

You know what I'm saying? Or you had to come to the radio station in L.A. You had to come through one of their known channels, whether it was KMEL, you know what I'm saying, sway and tech in them, nigs. Baker boys. You had, yeah, Boolee O-G. You had to come through a certain channel of people

And if anything was anything They could be like this Bhutan gonna be here tomorrow, nigga Right You know what I'm saying? Right We could have got lined up at any time But we had more people working with us

Than against us Like I said, when it comes to the essays You know what I'm saying? Shout out my guy Fatty You know, Frankie V Essay niggas that was holding us down You know what I'm saying?

Blood niggas. A lot of my niggas, they ain't here no more. They got, they got off. Right. Crips. You know what I'm saying? I don't consider myself gang affiliated. Right.

But I know niggers that play every side of the fence. Right. That go back here. Right. I'm no gang, remember? You know what I'm saying? But if I, if I needed to, I can call on these dudes. I don't, I don't be checking in where you, where you, you paying niggas off to do this and that.

I don't do none of that but I do if you from L. If I'm out here in Miami, but I'm gonna hit you up I'm in the town. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's different. That's different. Yeah, where should I go? I'm trying to do this. You know, you'll tell me like, what's real. No, nah, don't fuck with this over there. So, you know, that's all it was with that,

man. L.A. was definitely showing us love. They didn't have hatred towards New York. They just didn't like the bad boy situation. You know what I'm saying? And then Mark D. That was a Tupac thing. L.A.

never flipped. as far as I know. Right. No. L.A. never flipped on the mob. You know what I'm saying? As far as anybody from Queens, as far as I know.

Right. The tension of it all, the medias, the blogs and everybody putting gas on the shit, now it's not safe. Right. It really ain't safe.

Like, I felt, I felt bad for Pop Smoke. Yeah. Which was way later, but, you know, it's still, it's still an extension of that to me. You know what I'm saying?

He was a young dude. The young, they still don't fuck with East Coast shit out there in the West like that. And out here, they don't fuck with West Coast shit. Right. So, you know, when that happened to pop smoke, I did a club. I mean, I did the show in the club that's right down the street from the house. He got shot in. Wow.

And when I went there, I was the next day I did the show. Wow. I'm in there. The day after he got killed in that house, I could walk to the house from the club. Wow. But I went and did the show. I had funny vibes and everything. Wow.

But I still went and did it. Because I was like, you know what? You ain't going to give it to fear. Right. So I went then, a bunch of gang niggas in there. And this is you as yourself or? This is me by my fucking self, bro. But I'm one of them niggas.

I've been in the street so long. I know all the gangsters. I know how this shit work. Right. I bring the niggas in. Right. Before they can flip on me, nigga. Come here.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna need you. Hold me down out there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's what it is? Yeah, niggas smoke.

Who the fuck you want to do? Right. That's not the issue. I'm saying? I need to know that there's no smoke with us. Like, y'all niggas ain't looking at me like that. Right. So it's like, no, no, no, OG, you could, you could.

All right, so come with me. You know what I'm saying? I had to embrace these niggas. Like, come in here, man. Because they was in there on some savage shit. Right. I'm not, listen, nigga. I'm in my 50s.

I don't even fuck about none of that gang shit I'm not I've never been We wrote with possees back at the Yeah, right, right, right, of course He had 20 niggas with us That was our game But you know It was never about throwing signs

And this, that, the third And we got we got ops with these niggas Because they were in this color It was never that So, you know, we never grew up with that It was more of a niggas, 20 yards, 20 of us Right It all to take us one bad look

And it's a rumble Right On 42nd Street, right? Coliseum the fucking tunnel, something like that. Whatever it was that. It was more of that shit. So, you know, like, dealing with the L.A.

situation, man, they showed us love. They took care of us in that situation. We didn't have no beef with Bad Boy or nobody like that. It was something to be like, yo, we don't fuck with them, niggers. But it was an every man for themselves type of thing. So, you know, I'm going to speak for real. Like, I wasn't, I wasn't concerned with Bad Boy and Biggie and us going to war for them. No, that wasn't my thoughts

My thoughts was if they come here, bro We got to be ready to get down Right That's all it really was man And we stuck with that mentality Yeah, we got a lot of hate We got hate from New York, niggas Yeah, y'all, y'all didn't hold the East Coast down

Yeah, we sure did, my nigga Because we was out there Wow We was one of the few people Tech and stealing them niggas They were out there, bro There's certain niggas that In the mix of all that real shit

was there. And getting hate and getting all that shit. I respect those niggins. They held they fucking own, well. It wasn't a whole lot of East Coast niggers on the West Coast doing in the mix of that shit. At that time, yeah.

Yeah, so it's like they was right there like Brooklyn. Big Brooklyn in the building, man. Hey, respect. Fucking respect. You got the next question of E? Yeah. Ray or Ghost?

Just take the shot. Take the shot. Oh, I can make it interesting. You know what I'm saying? That's the easy way out. I'm going to go, oh, my God. Because I love Ray's shit. I love Ray's shit, but I'm going to go ghost on that one.

Just because I consider myself like the Marvin Gay of rap. You know what I'm saying? Ghost's soul on the track is just unmatched. I thought you considered yourself with the Derek Jeter of rap. Oh yeah, setting it off. Okay, okay, okay. But I'm the Marvin Gay, man. How did you get to Marvin Gay?

How did we get there? My shit, because if you listen to me, day and the life, that beat, the, it's just fiends twitch to the beat kicks. Indeed, I sleep with machines rip. They thugging on screen, ain't seen no deep shit. My team fit, chopping up the profit off a sweet list. 7-3 Caprice,

C-o reflection off the deep dish. That's Marvin, bro. Okay, I could roll up the scully like how E-40 be doing. And throw the fucking P-code on and be like this. Yeah, weepornation. Yeah. And webleization. Ribilization.

Roll up the scully, throw the P-code on. Okay, so how did you get here? Because you picked Ghost face. I said ghosts, yeah. Okay. Because I'm a ghost of soul. Because you said Marvin. Ghost will wrap off a...

Yeah, because all of the joints that he rhymed you. He's all... He wrapped off the Delphonic. He does all the soul joints. The song is playing. The lyrics is in the song. And it's wrapped it on top of that. It's like he's a part of the group.

Yeah, there they go. Nobody does that. And nobody does it like him. You find a nigga that do do that. Yeah, I never do that. You know what I mean? And so like that shit to me, you can't fuck with that.

And chef be having some of the most ill of the shit. You know, chef. be knocking, he'd be, we have an opalaka. Yeah. You know, like, he, he says some of the most, his word combinations is some, it's so ill, but ghosts are just saying,

you know, but first hit Maria's for a butter almond. He's talking about the ice cream store. He's about to commit a homicide. But first hit Maria's for a butter almond. The bionic, microphoneic, rapacchanic, move like a bunch of Mexican. with bandanas. His shit is different,

you can't sing along with him and think you know what he's going to say. Oh, no, no. He's going to go left. He's going to say some totally other shit. Ray, too. But he goes, go just give me,

it's a soul thing. You know what I'm saying? Like he just, ghosts will close his eyes and be like this. It'd be damn there crying on the track. You know what I'm saying? Where, you know,

chef going to give you the slang. He's going to give you words. you never heard before. What that mean? It's, oh, shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I'm a go ghost on that. Just to break up the monotony for it. EPMD or run DMC?

I'm going to go EPMD on that. I love run DMC. I'm going to go EPMD. ODB or Papa Wu? Oh, damn. How are you going there? Yeah. Yeah.

Big up the Papa, and big up the O'B. Triumph or protect your neck? Who. Protect. Yeah, I'm going to protect too. I'm going to protect. Because protect was the initial.

The O.G. Yeah, yeah. Protect created a triumph. Yeah, exactly. Triumph don't exist without a protect. It's the OG of that. Yeah, yeah. Video music box for your MTV Raps.

Uncle Ralph, man. Yeah. That's an easy. Uncle Ralph, real video music box all day. New Jack City or juice? Juice. Juice.

I like the roles and juice more than New Jack City. New Jack City is, you know, the cop, the crackhead, shit like that. But, you know, new, juice was more of us. It was more of a hip-hop. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? And New Jack City, birth, I really thought Chris Rock smoked crack at that time. Yo, he's wrong in that. He was too believable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, those assy white lips, this just was real. Like, you don't remember what you know what I'm doing about? You could smell them through the screen. Oh, they smelled like cocaine residue. And he was so skinny. It looked like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shahim or a lot of dark man? Shahim or a lot of dark man?

I'm going to go with the rugged one, the rugged child, Shahin. Yeah. All right, the last one. Last one. I'm going to be good back to the interview. Loyalty or respect. Mm. Thank you, sis.

Loyalty or respect. That's a good one, too, man, because loyalty can be overrated at times, you know? Like, you could be loyal to some shit that ain't real. or you can be loyal to a motherfucker that ain't loyal to you. But I think respect is not just earned as given. You know, we always say respect is earned. Or respect is given. You know what I'm saying?

Like you have to, you have to come across with respect to get respect in the first place. So it's like respect is earned. I can say, okay, you got to earn my respect. So basically, if I'm seeing you for the first time and you just walking up, what do you got to do to earn my respect? Right. Yeah. Respect, respect. Yeah, respect. Respect, respects.

Right. So it's like, yo, that's, I guess that's what I got to do to earn your respects. Extend the greeting. Right. Right. To earn you because I don't know nothing about you as I'm just approaching you. So I'm like, yo, okay, that's what we say knowledge, knowledge. You acknowledge.

You acknowledge what you see as being like you, so if I see you as being like me, oh shit, what's good, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? And that's the respect that's given. Now respect that's earned is the same thing. That's the shake. That's the handshake. So it works more than the same.

So I'm going to take respect over loyalty because that is more solid. That's easily detectable. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But you don't know if a nigga loyal or not. Yeah, that's real.

You know, you got to test that loyalty. That's real. You know? Okay. Make some noise. Yeah, yeah. Now, um, thank you. Searching, uh, uh, you, I heard you say, um, you didn't understand or you didn't know why a hot, nine band, who, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then it's not footage, but it's the story that, that, that, that shows ghost face. Fuck Angie Martinez. Fuck Angie Martinez. Fuck out 97. Did he say fuck flex too? He said to fuck a few people. I know I heard Angie and I heard 97.

Okay. If he threw flex in there, I'm not sure. So, but that was at Summer Jam. That was on their stage. Okay, so this is the part that I've never, I swear of God, I've been in the industry. I have no idea what happened. It stems.

Did y'all supposed to come on last or something like that? Nah, man. I can give you to you in a brief story of the way I know it, right? Okay. We were on tour with Rage Against the Machine. Okay. And you're coming off the tour to do this all the tour. Yes.

To do Summer Jam Hot 97. And is it true, I wasn't getting paid for Summer Jam? We was not getting paid. Okay, I remember this far. They wasn't going to pay for our tickets. Wow. They wasn't paying for nothing. Wow.

It was just. Which is kind of the norm in those radio. shows. Especially those days. Maybe at that time, yeah. At that time, they was big and they was like, yo. They'll chip in. You had to, in order to break your record, you had to go through them.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's considered the promo. And the label was the one that promised the artist. The label was the one that prom. Guaranteed. So when we decided, you know what, we're going to leave the fucking sold out rage against the machine tour. Wow.

That all these motherfuckers is packing in. Wow. And even though it was a different crowd for us, they still there. Yeah. Yeah. And they're going crazy for y'all, just the same. We left that thinking, okay, this is the white crowd. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying?

This is the white crowd. This is European shit. We're going to come home back to Hot 97 and fuck it up in New York and we're going to get the black people back and all that shit. Nah, bro. We get there. We had to pay our own way. We spent mad money.

You fucked up the whole rage side. When we left them to come here, we fucked that up. Why? Because you're missing. We missing dates there? We missing dates there. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying?

And I don't think we didn't, we didn't go back. Oh, I did not know. We didn't go back on the tour. Wow. So the Hot 97 shit was like, this is like a make-it or break it. Now we got to. And then we get there and it's just like, they wasn't accommodating us. I don't know if you had a dressing room, all types of shit going on, bro.

And then it got to ghosts. Wow. It got to them. Right. Ghost is, like I said, whoever he was saying, fuck you too, they were right there. Listen, he said, fuck hot 97,

fuck Angie Martin. Angie Martinez was definitely standing right there. I'm like, this niggas said, fuck Angie and Angie right there. But, you know, we, in the heat of the moment, I was with ghosts, 100%. Like, fuck this shit, man. Like, they're treating us like,

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It's in regular rotation. We got a whole lot, but we got like Cream, Method Man. You know, certain shit that's in there. Okay, for the fans that's listening. Because there's rotation and then there's Mixo Rootation. You're saying this shit was in regular rotation. We had a certain song. was definitely in the rotation.

And we had other songs, you know, Method Man and and ice cream and other shit that was still regular rotation, you know it, right? That was regular rotation. But we never got the chance to bubble them records when they decided. You know what's so crazy about that?

And this is a meeting as a fan. You don't even think about that now. As a fan, and then as a fan, and then now I'm coming into my, you know, uh, uh, shit. When I, I would still hear y'all out of the town. I wouldn't realize that I didn't hear y'all in New York on the station because I heard you on the mix tapes. I heard you on whatever else.

You heard us in Jersey or Connecticut. I wouldn't categorize it like, oh shit, I'm not just hearing them on Hot 97. It never hit me like that. Ten years. Wow. Ten years or more. Ten years or more. They barely was fucking with meth.

You know, meth was the face of us. He's doing the movies. He's doing the movies. Yeah. Meth was the face at that time. He's playing doctors and shit. They're still telling him. giving him hard time.

You know what I'm saying? But it's like, yeah, man, that shit was hard, bro. Me? I was not getting in the high 97. But let me just say something. And this is something you probably want to know too. For some strange reason, I know I alluded to this earlier, it kind of made job bigger. Like it kind of worked.

I just, I don't know how to describe it because it kind of like made job. you're exclusive. It added to the mystique of like, the Red Bulls, Wu-Tang. I'm telling you, we probably didn't even realize that we weren't hearing y'all on the box. Right.

Because we were hearing y'all so many other places. And I imagine a lot of promoters would not book y'all because you actually had all over the world. Because they have relationships with these guys. But the very few promoters that did, it had to sell out because y'all was exclusive. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, take that. the ban on Hot 97 for 10 years then add on to the fact that we find out later that Diddy was doing shit I heard you say that too Well I heard that they said that Diddy was deliberately paying the radio station

Not the fuck with us So add that on top of the band Wow That's wild That's why you didn't hear nobody shit for years Literally If all that is true That's literally like burying somebody alive

and just saying, like, I'm just not going to cover up this part. Yeah. You're like, I'm going to bury him alive, but this part, I'm not going to cover up, and they get out. Right, right, right. You left me in a little bit of space to breathe, my niggas.

And yeah, we climbed out of that shit. Right. But then everything in darkness comes to light, man. Right. You can't do no sucker shit and think that niggas ain't going to find out about it. Or are you paying, you're going to pay for that shit in some other way.

Right. I'm not going to say what he's, going through now is because of that. Right, right. You reek what you sold, bro. You reap what you soul, you know what I'm saying? So let me ask you, right? Do you think the ban was lift once power 105?

Because you know, we were banned for hot 97 as well. Allegedly, there was a shootout. I was not there. Allegedly. It happened, but I just wasn't there. That's not allegedly. I was not there. Okay. You weren't there. Yeah, like that. I put that together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, too slow.

All right. But our band were basically lifted once Power 1-05 came into play because it became a rival station. It became like a competition thing. So it's a certain of the extent. I'm not saying our band totality had to do with that. But what I'm saying is it happened at that time. Do you think that Wu-Tang's band was lifted when Power 1st? Because one of the very first records that I remember Power 105 when they, it was just like personalities were that was the first.

first thing that they did was they were playing Wu-Tang records. And I didn't know were they playing. You know the record that was playing? No, don't not remember. The cream team. Okay, okay, okay. Ray Kwan. Okay, okay. Okay. But I remember, I remember that was a deliberate statement like,

yo, look, we're going to play with y'all can't play. Or y'all not going to play. Oh, you're not going to play? Yeah, so do you think that? It could be. Do you think that's when the band lifted? I think Power 105, came in and definitely took some of their credit. and some of their fans.

But I don't know if that was what... I think Rizza and Flex had a conversation. If I'm not mistaken, I remember Flex coming around. Right. Like, after the band, talking about that, like, yo, we want to do this with y'all. We want to work with y'all. We want to do this.

And Rizzo was trying to fix the relationship of whatever was going on at Hot 97 because we had a new wave of shit. We were trying to put a new album out. So he's like, yeah, I want to fix these relationships. I want to make sure that we have all these connections. And I think that's when they stop the band, per se. But at that time, at the time they stopped the band,

we didn't have a real record until we came with like the, what record was it? Was it people say? I believe it was people say, the math album. Uh, uh, Wu Teng Saga continues. Then he's, I noticed we started getting a little bit of, We started getting a little bit of radio play on it. And then even they would go back to the classic shit playing cream, playing ghost face shit.

You know what I'm saying? I was like, okay. It's crazy. They had to go retro. Do you understand? Yeah, yeah. They went retro. You understand?

I was talking to you because I know at that time you was in Miami. Do you understand that their movement was so powerful? No. I didn't even know that. That's, nobody knew that. I didn't know. We knew it. We heard that that happened.

You know what's crazy. But to hear what that impact would have been for Northern. Normal regular artists? But you know what's crazy. Normal regular artists We were seeing the video so much. We were seeing the video so much, which is crazy is

because I believe Hot 97 is Emmett's broadcast, right? Emmett's broadcast. Emmett's broadcast, I believe, at that time, MTV was under like the same. On the same window. But meanwhile, MTV is playing the shit out of your fucking videos. This shit makes... MTV is playing Gravel Pit.

The Gravel Pit video. But yeah, but flexing them, they was on their stance. For whatever they were standing on. You sure a flex was a part of that? You sure a flex was? Flex had a station. Flex had a slot up there too.

Yeah, but but but but but but wasn't, you think was it flex that was blocking? Because I don't say I'm not going to say it was flex that was blocking. Okay. They probably could have told him. Right. Yo, bro. The Moutang niggas. You know what I'm saying?

But y'all are probably the very first group ever in history to say fuck the radio station at the radio station. At on some of damn. stage. Their stage. But we were dating, it costed us like, it costed us some friends. We bought an emergency last minute

first class fights with 20 niggas. You know what I'm saying? We got to get rooms. We ain't ready to be home and shit. You know, we still got a tour going on. And this is something in some of them was in Jersey. Some of them was in Jersey. And it's like, bro, we get there.

They ain't showing us no love. They're not treating us like, we just spent all this money to be here. We didn't have. to be here, but it's like you're getting treated like you, you're a little nigger. I'm saying? So, yo, your little niggas, y'all ain't get no dressing room, man. That's staying right there and wait until this job turn.

However they was talking to us, bro, it just culminated like, yo, you know what? Fuck our 97. Ghost got that. Fuck, Angie Barnes, my Angie right here. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know what she had to do with it either if she even deserved that, you know what I mean? But it was just more of, I felt what ghost was feeling.

His emotions were high. Yeah, I felt what it. It fucked that. Y'all not going to treat us like that, bro. That's just what it was. If we got to get banned, we're going to get banned. But we didn't expect that shit. Right.

They banned the fuck out of us. They didn't play nothing from nobody. I know how it feels to be banned. Whatever we gave them. Yeah, because y'all had the ban from TV shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's one of the hardest shit ever. It's horrible.

Yeah. But that was y'all was sponsored to it. You didn't say, fuck y'all things right on the platform. You know, we did do that. You know what I did do that. Yeah. That was the perfect response. We could have made a record or something and did that.

But now, no, ghost, let it fly. And, you know, it was too late now because you can't be like, yo, ghost, why you do that? Nah, nigga, we're in it now. And, you know, and that was the beginning of the 10-year band, bro. And we didn't even know. It was a shadow band at that. You know what I'm saying?

So let me bounce around a little bit, right? Because, obviously, one of the illest characters in Wu-Tang, right, is old dirty bastard, right? Yes, sir. I swear to God, I've never been around old dirty bastard where it's not been a movie. Like something about this is something to say. But here's something that I had watched the other day, right?

And I want to big up Dame Dash, but I just wanted to say that. So I wanted to make that clear before I say what I said, before I say what I'm about to say, excuse me. I had to watch that, like when old, old dirty bastard came home, and then Dame put the rock and a fellow chain on them. And then like, you know, Rizzer come around. could tell Richard did not want to be around there, but it was something about me watching it all these years later, right?

And it was something about like your family member, I'm sorry if I sound a little sexist, but it's something like when your family member gets married and they take the woman's name. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you're saying. That's what you're saying? Yeah. When he went to Rockefeller.

But he got married and took the Rockefeller, old dirty Rockefeller. Yeah. I mean, I think for the fans, everybody felt kind of weird about that, too. Listen, hell yeah. We all felt the way about that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I ain't like that shit, bro. I've seen the same video you saw with Dane put it in the chain around. And for me, I don't know Dane. I never met Dame in my life. Right. I didn't feel that shit was genuine. You know what I'm saying? I just felt like it was like,

Like, you, we got one of these niggas who's hot from over there. Let me be devil's advocate, right? And me, I don't know who Dame is now. Like, I mean, me and him have a spoke. But for that dame back then, I can almost guarantee you. He didn't mean that in malice. Like, he meant that, like. I believe that.

I believe that. I believe that was a letter that was wrote from ODB to Dame while they was in jail. And I believe this Dame just tried to honor that letter. They already wanted that. Yeah. So it's not like Dame convinced him or do no shit like that. No, I don't guarantee, guarantee. I respect Dame as a businessman.

I don't know what's going on with him and his crew now. You know, that's crazy. But he was trying to do the right thing by ODB. It wasn't that. It's just like you can get married to the perfect woman, like I just said. You can be married to the perfect woman, but you take her last name. Your family members are looking at you like, what the fuck is wrong with you, you idiot? You know what I'm saying?

Nobody else filmed me? No, yeah. And it don't sound right. It doesn't know. He's a right. He's right in a sense. Right. Dirty felt,

Dirty had the most feelings out of everybody. Dirty was like, yo, I want to do what I want to do. Right. I want to, I don't want, I don't want,

Dirty and Ritz are cousins. I know. I don't want him telling me what to do. I spoke to Dirty on numerous occasions after he came home. He wanted to go there. Right. He thought going over there was going to make him,

more of a star than you're like a superstar right dirty was a fucking star bro right out the gate I say star I've never seen no shit like that in my motherfucking life though like I was watch this dude come on stage take the mic say nothing standing there for five fucking minutes without saying nothing five whole minutes he's really like this Rizzo started talking because Rizzo is, he's smart. He knows how to keep the show going. Rizzo started talking a little dirty still over there like five minutes.

Right. Not saying nothing. Still in the stance. And then Rizzo's like, you're going to go. You're ready. We're going to hit it with something like this. And then it's like, bing, biv, bing, biv, b, b. Oh, baby, I like it raw.

And then he just, yeah, baby, I like it raw. And he's doing all types of. Tachi moves You know what I'm saying And it works Yo That was incredible I used to be mad at this nigga

God bless the dead God bless my brother I used to be mad I used to talk to him Be mad Yo bro you fucking Why you be doing All this clown shit

You you you You not understanding He's a superstar This nigga He's looking at me He shut the fuck out You know what you're talking about That

He knew what he was doing He said that niggas want to get up and rap and rap and rap and rap, man, fuck that. Hits that I make is legit. I want to see him up in the end. Can you dig it? He was talking about me. Niggas want to rap and rap and rap. Niggas want to get up and rap and rap and rap, man, fuck that.

He was talking about me. I had the conversation with him before that. Like, yo, you be fucking around. Yo, do you know who you are? I was mad, dog. I was mad, dog. I'm not going to lie to y'all. This is 100% I might have never told this story.

I was mad at this nigger because I used to hate how the fact he could clown his way to fucking greatness. And here I am, a bombatomically, shock to these, and my niggas just saying, man, what that? Then I want to see him, can you dig it? Have you ever, ever ever in your ball-headed like, seen the ball-headed bitch for your ball-hack? and their wife, give me that. Who's the baddest motherfucker in this hip hop town? Bro, I witnessed it. You know what I'm saying?

And then I understand, bro, you don't have that. You got to develop some of that shit. You got to figure that out in yourself. That's what makes him a star. Fuck all the rhymey rap, dumb shit, bro. His personality was a big of life. I believe everybody in Wu-Tang is stars, right?

I believe the difference where old or dirty bastard is he's an unpurposedly superstar. Like, he's a superstar, like, not trying to be a superstar. Like, for some reason, him and Mariah Carey does not bother me at all. That shit was dope. You heard her interview on him? No. He's one of the dofest motherfuckers she ever worked with. Wow.

You just talk about this nigga coming in. His feet was kicking all types of shit. I saw that. That's what the way. His feet was stinking, like, kicking, like, shit like that. Dirt dog is dirt dog, bro, Brooklyn.

Dirty. He's dirty and stinking. You know what I'm saying? I love my brother. He just, he was a different type of brother, man. I don't know nobody like him at all. And never will.

I never will be. I never know nobody like he's like that drunk uncle. Right, right. Even when he's not drunk, you think he's drunk. Yeah, he's drunk. Yeah. Yeah.

Personality is just that. You start the song But you won't Let me love you That's hard That's the original Brooklyn suit Oh wow He's

It's your video at the end The love bowl The soon will we take He's singing the love boat Look at the end of the video He's going up the escalator Welcome aboard this love That nigga was

He was that dude All the time I don't know, like I said, I don't know nobody like him, bro. We did a show. Cableton's on the mic. He's rapping. Was this Miami? Because I saw it here in Miami where he threw the speakers or something crazy.

I don't want to see no motherfucking bank. Can't see no Cableton? Wait a man. That was a club man. Wait a man. Wait a man. Wait a man. Wait, the man.

Takes the mic. Takes the mic. Yeah. And brings us on stage with him. Taking the mic from the Jamaicans. Now, this, this happened. in Jamaica. Because we saw that same

similar. We saw the same thing happened here in Miami. How can I be down? With Capeleton, too. So he did this multiple times to Capelley.

Aconnelli. He did it to Aconnelli. These things were on the floor on stage, wrestling over the mic. I remember here at this. Yes. Akelele.

You stole my style. You stole my style. They both had the same style. They both the same motherfucker. If you really, I met Akenelli. He reminded me a bird. I said, you know, they're both the same type of dude.

So it was like watching these niggins wrestle over the mic. Bro, Meph and Red did the show. He wasn't in on the action. Methan Red body and this shit. Dirty like, nigga, fuck that. Takes the turn, flips the whole turntables over in the middle of the show. Yes. Because he had nothing to do with them tearing it down.

Because he wanted in. He's Frank White. He wanted in. Nickelbacked so. in the park, dirty one and in. He couldn't get in. Through the whole fucking turntables up in the airs. I seen this nigga do some of the craziest shit,

but I also seen him control the crowd with ease. Right. Like, nothing. Where was you at when he was on a war show and he said, Wu-Tang is for the children? That was the Grammys. All right? That was Grammys.

He wasn't supposed to say that? Nah. He walked up on stage on his own. Right, right. We wasn't supposed to go on. He went up there. Like, yo, fuck that. He was like, yo.

He was like, I understand what he said. A bad boy or ditty or Puffy. Puffy. We love Puffy. What's the baby. You said, I spent, like, I spent a couple of thousands of this outfit. You know, like, I thought Wuttein is going to win. But, yo, we love you.

And Wutteg is for the children. That's what Wutteg is for the children was born. Dirty at the grand. And I'm like, yo, did he really go up there and do that shit? He went up there and did that shit. I think that's what Kanye got that. He went up. He got Spine and Spinebra.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One million percent, Kanye got, that's old dirty best. Dirty influence, right. Yeah, but that brother didn't tell none of us. He was going to do none of that. We just, we thought we was actually, okay, shit, we nominated. Why can't we win? It was like, Diddy.

I forget who was in my, might have been Nelly in the category. but it was just like whoever was in the category it was worthy to be in the category whoever won was worthy of winning but he just went up there and it was like hey yo

yeah yeah yeah bad boy them things is good puppy he's all right but Wuchang we for the children and you know this is old dirty bastard and I love you and sign it off

and walked up the stage had his little burgundy joint head to toe and it was just like he's different man we never Papa Wu was another dude that was different like that And rest and peace to Papa Wu for sure

But rest of peace of my brother Power Ali Grant Another dude Never meet Those three dudes Dirty power and Papa Wu He ain't gonna never meet nobody in life like that Before we move on from this

I want one more time What's the verse that you said ODB was dissing you on that Niggas want to get up and rap And rap and rap Man fuck that hits that I make is did. You want to see him up in the air. Can you dig it? Let's sing along. The stomp. The stomp. Stomp. Have you ever, ever in the long of your life had a baldheaded

bitch for your baldheaded wife, that song? And did you know it when he did it? No, I didn't know that he was talking about me until he told me that he said that. Yeah. He said that about me. Yo, I swear to you, man, like me and dirty. Me and dirty or night and day. Me and dirty is night and day. Like I fold my clothes and shit in my room and all that. I'm fucking Felix Unger and he's Oscar. You know what I'm saying? On the odd couple.

But it's like... I'm about to say three's couple. I love that relationship that I have with him like that because I was the one that would come to him and tell him what the fuck was really up. When a lot of times he would do shit, then people would sugarcoat it and be like, that's just dirt though.

That's just dirty. I'm like, nah, fuck that, son. How you fuck? Because, you know, you got to look at me. My album got caught in the flood, all that shit. I'm struggling. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, niggas is a lap or two ahead of me. I'm trying to catch up, bro.

So I'm like, anything I'm seeing, I'm watching everybody. Yo, bro, y' y'all, y'all, you're squandering opportunities or, yo, you, you're blowing the fucking moment, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yo, you know who you are, dog? They love you. And you ain't even got to bomb atomically. Mm-hmm. You can say...

That's a good way to put it to it. You know what I'm saying? You can say fucking shimmy, shimmy, go pop. And they're loving you, dog. So don't fuck that up. Right. Don't fuck that up. But he didn't like me saying that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I love my brother. He just, he wanted people to co-sign him. And I'm going to co-sign all the dope shit. And that goes for any of my brothers. I'm going to co-sign all the dope shit you do. I talked to meth yesterday. nigga that foot locker commercial is fire you know what I'm saying

yo you got casted in the new different world they bring in the different world back yeah that's just that shit yeah congratulations bro like I'm that nigga right I'm saying I'm the way you got some shit nigga hashtag doria I'm there right grand opening I'm right there what's up mm-hmm you know I'm saying any of my niggas got any shit popping I'm the first nigga to be front line to advocate for them Now, a lot of times I get upset because I don't get the shit in return,

but I don't expect nothing in return, you know what I'm saying? Like, I go out there, when you cast your stone, bro, you're casting your stone by your own hand. So I don't, I, whatever return fire is going to return fire on me. It's not going to, I'm not going to pull you into nothing that's going to have you feel like, you know what I'm saying, you get, you, you, you're feeling attacked. You're being fired on because of my ways and actions. I'd rather have you as an.

I'm not, I'll do it myself. I don't give a fuck, bro. I will sit on YouTube, Google, Wikipedia, and teach myself how to make beats, how to mix myself, my nigga, how to, how to learn AI, how to make your own artwork. I did all this shit myself, bro. Yeah, taught myself. Wizarding sit there and teach me how to make beats. I watch the nigga on the ASR and just like, I'm going to buy ASR. and what I got to do?

You know what I'm saying? Your math, your true master. What I got to do? All them niggas taught me how to, how to program and work that shit to the point where I started making beats, not for the purpose of selling them. Just so I ain't got to ask

niggas for beats to put my shit together. Now I'm making my own beats. I'm writing to my own shit. It's so sufficient. Yeah. You know what? Word on the street. I'm going to keep that. You know, let's use that.

That's my first single on loud records for my uncontrolled substance album. Right. You know what I'm saying? But that only come from the flood. Right. The flood wiping my whole shit out made me fuck. What?

I'm about to learn this shit, bro. Crack this shit open. I'm about to buy a keyboard. I bought a mic. I bought the whole setup. I bought the camera set up. If I had to film my own videos, I'm going to do that. I bought the 7D, the lights, all that shit.

Like, whatever, my nigga. Have it got to get done? I'm going to get this shit done because I'm not going to be the nigger Cooley High at the end of Cooley High and they be like, yo, such and such went on the fucking doing great things, but this the other nigga, he's driving cabs now. You know what I'm saying? He mopping

up Walgreens? Nah, nigger, that ain't going to be me, bro. I'm gonna be the nigga that's shooting up like this, bro, by all means. Whatever it takes, duh. And that's why I'm like, you know. I ask every member a routine that we luckily

have on here. But you got pretty much almost everybody. Almost everybody, huh? But, um, I missed the other side. Scorsese. Marseise. Oh, Scrocelli. Oh, Scrorelli?

Scrocelli. No, no, no, he's talking about the, got the album, the Arnick album. Squally. Yeah, yeah. So, where was you at when you found out that there's an exclusive Wu-Tang album that has be your soul like art to one bitter? Bro, I was in my house. But when I heard that shit,

I didn't understand. You know what I'm saying? Because you didn't, you had not recorded for that album to your knowledge, correct? I didn't record for that. Okay. Specifically, yeah, I recorded for some shit over here for a nigga named Silver Rings. Uh-huh. He's a Rizzer, yeah, he's a Rizzer disciples.

Somebody Rizzer had under his wing. He says to me, like, if I'm him and I'm coming to you, you know, I need about six verses from you. I got this amount for you. Okay. You could be like, well, I'm going to eat more than that. Okay. All right, whatever you. You tell them, you know, six firsters, I need a hundred.

If you said a hundred, niggas give you the hundred. Next thing you know, the shit that you recorded, what you was thinking you was recording for, you know, I'm recording this album called Rewinded. Right. Now, that ain't the album there. By the time you get it, it's called some other shit, some other, he don't brought it to- But you got a chance to hear it? No.

Okay. I didn't even hit, I did the verses. I did the verses to the song. I don't know what none of that shit sound like no more. Wow. I just have the actual verses written on my phone, but I don't know what it sound like to the beats.

I heard one song after all this time. And the one song I heard did sound dope. But I'm like, I didn't record for that. I recorded for such and such as project, but then it became this over here. And then when it became that over there, It's like, well, hold up. If that's what it was in the beginning,

I would have never charged you that price. You know what I'm saying? If I knew it was going to be this, I would have told you this. Especially this for that. Right. Oh, yeah, for what you were about to do. You know what I'm saying?

So then now you auction it, you sell it. I got sued for that shit, man. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the whole clan got sued for the shit because homie felt like the nigga who did the box, the collector's box. Okay.

Oh, so not not the, not the, The guy who made it in the box that the album is in. He sued me. I know I got a lawsuit for the shit. I don't understand that. Because he said he didn't get paid when they auctioned it for $2 million. Right. And he's got the two million.

He created it. He created the box. So he felt like he was supposed to get something. But why would he sue the artist, though? I don't understand. I don't know. Yeah. But it costs me money out of my pocket.

Just even defend yourself. Right. Get the fuck out of here, bro. We got the shit dismissed. But it was like, you know, 22,000 later or some shit like that. It's like, yo, bro, I don't know nothing about that project. That's what's so crazy, man. And I heard that it's a good project from people that actually got the chance to hear it because they did, like, public listening sessions for the shit numerous times.

But I'm like, I never got to hear it. I know what my rhymes are for it. But, yeah, they sold it. The Martin Screlli bought it for the two million. Yeah. And now he sold it. He bought it for $2 million. He bought it for $2 million off of Rissa.

Remember, he started feeling itself, started talking shit. Oh, yeah. He went into the ghost phase. He's going back and forth with ghosts and shit. Talking shit. And then the feds came and yanked this stupid ass up. Overcharging niggas for the pills. The pharmacy shit, yeah.

You know, pharmacy price gouged-ass-n-ass-niggin-ass-ass-nig. So they snatched him up, but then they snatched him up, they took the album. So the Fads got the album. The Feds. The Feds. The shit is under federal, Wu-Tang. The feds recently sold the shit The fans

They all shit They said Let's make a noise The fans Tell them who's Let's make a noise for the motherfucking Purnish

Oh my god Yeah The fed's got the album If they didn't sell it I believe I seen them sell it They're selling it Yeah

If they didn't sell it already They're selling it Somebody Google that Let's figure Somebody figure I believe they sold it The fed sold it Huh?

They sold it like 6 million Right They sold it like 6 million right Yeah, Fed's made about 4 million profit You feel me? You feel me? Meanwhile, my motherfucker Shalyn Temple

My motherfucker fucking light bill do You know what I'm saying? My light bill and my phone bill do, nigga You know what I'm saying? I ain't get nothing off that shit Compared Besides the little bullshit I got from when I first did it This album then went through changes

You know what I'm saying? They went through stages and shit Six million dollars Right You could have gave me a hundred K I might have shut the fuck up. But I didn't, I didn't see nothing on that album. But at the same time, no am I looking for anything, man.

Right. Like, I'm past that shit. Like, if God bless me to say, yo, we got this for you, right. Or be it, man, so be it. I love you for that. You know what I mean? But in the meantime, bro, life goes on. I'm not even stuck on that shit.

One day I would love to hear the album, though. Like, put it out for the people. After all that shit? Yeah, yeah. Put it out for free. Yeah, booleggy, right? Right, right, right, right, right. You got six million, right.

That wasn't there. I like, send the drink chance. Let drink chance have a session and play the whole album, you know, get your drink on to that shit. But, you know, like, it don't make no sense being in the Fed's hands, you know what I'm saying? No, they said they sold it. The museum? To a museum? Yeah.

Maybe that museum, man, if you're the museum and you got that shit, brother, like, let the fans, Houtain fans just hear that shit once in that. I forgot about 99 years. Yeah, just my stuff. And if we get it. Live stream or listening session. Even if you don't sell it to people and you can't buy it or present it

themselves, let everybody hear it one time. Put it on a big, on a big platform. You know what I'm saying? And let everybody tune in and we can hear this album. Everybody together for us.

I'll be there. I'll fly in for that. Me too. I'm gonna be there. I put a suit on for that shit. Like, what are we doing? Like, this shit is a $6 million album.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's in a incredible project, like that idea was dope. He made a documentary as well, man. I'm not really here to promote that shit. You know, he did. He capitalized greatly off that shit. Me and myself, I mean, my light bill is due.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like that, man. I look at that album one day, the fans are going to probably get a chance to hear that from top to bottom, man. I hope y'all do. I really hope y'all do. So one thing that people would love about you and is your syllables, your wordplay, and I got to read somewhere that you credited

your wordplay and your syllables and how you put words together. You credited to Reader's Digest? Read his Digest. Read his Digit. You got to be your old-ass nigger to understand what that's about. You're one short from TV Guide.

TV Guy is another one, man. Yeah, man. To be God, thank you, bro. Yeah, readers' digest. That was that shit we used to get in school. The book they gave us, it used to give you one little paragraph. It didn't give you one little paragraph. It didn't think it was this long.

Right. And then it'd be like five questions. Right. And you got to read it and answer it. You got to read it and answer it. The answers was in the fucking paragraph. I said, there was no way to get that shit wrong. It was no way to fail that.

But I used to be like, yo, on the readers' digest, Like, you know, it'd be like shit like on the shadowy midtown streets. It was this or that. And I'm like, yo, that's how I started rhyming my rhymes. Like, you know, how the books be coming in. And the books be like, it was the cold, rainy winter's night in February. Fucking the leaves were stuck to get you in. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like the leaves were stuck to the window like, blahzy blah. And I'm like, yeah, nigga, that's how you do this shit. You know, bombatomic, these faculties, well, you're writing sentences now. I do not. Compare that verse to read the digest. I don't. But I get it because that's so famous now, man.

It's all penmanship. Yeah, famineship. It's intros. They taught me in school a long time ago, man. You know, every story has an intro. Yeah. The body. Yeah.

And the closer, yes. That's what rap is. Yes. Yes, it is. Entro, body, or should be. Close out. Yeah. That's what you do.

You come in, I bomb atomically, ah. Right. Everything else needs the body. Right. And then on the outro, stomp grounds and pound footprints to solid rock. Who got a lock perform alive on your hottest block? That's the closing. I'm out of there.

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The Derrick Jeter. I like that word. That's what I'm doing. Derek Jeter. I call myself Deptita on race. Yeah, that's fine. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, yeah, Rizzer figured that out.

Rizzo's like, yo, you just have a knack to start these things out or whatever. And I notice it, too. So now I'm right in my rhymes as if I'm going first. first. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I smoke on the mic. I bomb atomically. On heaters.

This is MC wizardry, killer bee invasion, men of respect. Bless with wisdom of the ancients. Like, you know, my words are blatant. It's just now we're doing that now. Okay, so when I come in, because remember, I'm with the fucking, I'm with the Avengers. Right. I got a superhero team with me, Belle. And a lot of my niggas personalities are bigger.

their energies are just I'm more to more laid back relax sight nigga but when you amongst that you got to show your fucking death ray too right

you know what I got a magneto this shit to stick my hand out and start bending metal out this motherfucker because meth is a meth is Goliath ghost is fucking thaw with this shit

you know what I'm saying Ray is the same all my niggas just everybody Everybody is a beast. So I'm like, what do I do to make me stand out amongst all this shit? Ray and Gold's got the streets. Meth is more, me and Meth have more of the same type of style where it's the poetry, it's the styles, it's the bouncing and flowing.

But then I also share a lot with Jizzle where we share the storytelling with Jizzle got Cold World. I have a lot of songs on my album that reflect that type of style. So it's like I learned something from everybody in my crew that I incorporate in myself. You guys complimented each other. Yeah. Yeah, we complimented each other so much that Rizzo knows in his mind who sounds good before and after each other. Right. Oh, yeah, quick, because Jizu comes now, I might bring U-Guard in right now or maybe Cap.

Right. But don't give him 16, just give him 8. Right. Or give you-Gar 4 and then let Cap go 8 and then bring ghosts back around 16. Was there ever beef because in that era, the anchor was who was considered the best one in the song? Yes. Was there ever beef who was the anchor? I don't think it was ever a beef with an anchor.

Sometimes it'd be beef with like, he don't sound right coming after him. Or, you know, I don't sound right coming after him. Like, don't let him go first switch the verses around. So, you know, it would always be down, come down to it. And then again, like saying, well, you know, you know, You record it one way, and then by the next time you hear, Riz will come back and hit you with some new shit.

Like, oh, shit. What's that? The beat might be different. Like, protect your neck wasn't the shit that we rapped to. What was it? Protect Your Neck was my beat that I lost in the flood called Not Your Average Flow. Was it originally Protect Your Neck?

That was, Protect Your Neck was originally one of my songs from the Flood album. So hold on, hold on. So Protect Your Neck originally was just your song before it became Protect Your Neck. Before it was Protect Your Neck. So you already had, you're already working on solo shit. Yeah, it was a song called Not Your Average Flow. And I had two versions and all that shit down on it.

We lost that in the flood, but Rizzo was able to save the beat. He had the drum pattern and a few of the other sounds on another disc. So he brought it back and that's where you get the Protect Your Neck version. So the flood happened before the first album? Yeah. I didn't even know. Oh. Yeah.

What happened before that? So you already had your solo before the first album? Yes. Yes. We were making our shit. Wow. So yeah. Let me dip off one more time.

Yeah, bro, that, that. How did you get the name Inspector Deck? That's really. That was a graffiti. I used to write graffiti. So that was my name. Okay. Inspector came.

Inspector Gadget? How did he this? Well, that came from you. And it didn't come from Inspector Gadget, though. It came from the Pink Panther. Remember the cartoon, the Pink Panther? They had a fucking little dude named Inspector. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the chief. It was a chief that used to always talk to the inspector. Right. But he used to be like, Inspector, some shit like that. U-Guard used to say that shit to me. Like, I'd be on the block. This nigga on the roof or in somebody house out the window. It would be like, Inspector.

He just said the shit. Why did he say that to you? Just fucking with me. It's fucking with my name. My name wasn't an inspector. But he used to see me. You know, I used to just be on point like that. Like, catch me looking around.

He gave me that name. Because it was like, yo, you just be watching shit. You're an analytic, niggas. You'd be seeing shit. Because, you know, I always head on swivel, my name. That's my motto. Head on swivel. I don't get fuck where you at.

You could be in Pleasantville. Right. Fuck is that. that. You know what I'm saying? You heard that shit? Yeah. I'm like that, bro.

Like, because anything could happen anywhere to anybody. Right. Hey, yeah. My boy used to say ABG, nigga, anybody get it. Yeah. Anybody gets it any fucking time. Anywhere, right.

So I'll be, right. That's just inspector, my nigga. So it just became, when I went to jail, that's when it really kicked in. Ah, you know what I'm saying? All that Maud 6th, 274, right-as-allin-D-H-M,

Elmara, B. B block, D block, all that shit, but I've seen all that. Right. A lot of my niggas ain't seen that shit. I've seen it early. So it's like, that's what I came home. Like, man, I don't give a fuck about no jail,

but I don't give a fuck about that shit. I had to fight to get the phone time. Right. Got banged in the head with the phone. All tights and shit. Niggas, tauta shit. Niggas, tauta, niggas, had to sneak me from my Reebok ex-o-fits and shit.

Oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, every step of the way in jail was real. My niggis. So it was like, yeah. That ain't a place you want to be. I don't get to fuck who you is. Some niggas be glorifying how comfortable they is in jail.

Nigel you're in jail. Right. You got a nigga telling you what to do, when to do it, I do it. They got noodles and noodles bragging about it. You know what I'm saying? I don't even fuck if you can make lasagna out of Doritos, Nicky. Jack Matt. You made lasagna out Doritos and a motherfucker in a motherfucker, Jimmy Changa.

I don't give a fuck, well, that ain't the place to be. That's not the place to be. I said to myself when they get. that's all I need to see. I'm in there for light shit. You know what I'm in there? Gun possession. Beating up a crackhead,

all types of shit like that. These niggas got bodies. I'm up in there. Niggins is mummies. I'm coming off the bus with the pack. Right. Pack on my back. Nick's, nigga looking like zombie,

mummy. Wrapped up, bandits. Head to the neck. All this shit. Got hit up 30 times with the motherfucking homemade. You know what I'm saying? With the homemade,

nigga. Nigger made it out of a straw. He took enough straws and melted them and did all that. Take a shank. Made his own shank out of plastic, bro. You wouldn't even think of straws that fucking serious. Put it enough straws together. The mackerel tops.

Nicker Jack Mack. Nick's buying Jack make the mackle lids? Yeah, that shit you all need you know what it takes to a pair of arteries, my niggas? You get your artery sliced or some shit? All that shit is, fuck all that, bro.

Stay home. I got two felony, six misdemeanors, bro. I done did time. I didn't did years in my life. I don't give a fuck about none of that shit. That nigga telling you that shit is fly. Fuck him right there. Pause.

But fuck him, bro. That shit is weak, though. Don't let nobody sell you or trick you out your goddamn freedom, man. Hell yeah. For real, man. You know what I'm saying? All y'all niggas out there sliding right now? Yeah.

Think about what you sliding for, bro. Mm-hmm. Because you ain't sliding in, behind them bars, nigga. You're going to be sliding something else, nigga. That's straight up, man. So,

be 100, man. That's that moral stuff. So I read somewhere that you said that you used to run from your own self. Yeah. What does that mean for a person that doesn't understand? I saw an interview with Mike Tyson,

man, and Mike Tyson, he bust out crying because he was like, yo, the nigger I fear is me. Wow. He said, the nigger I fear is me because I know what I'm capable of. Wow. You know what I mean?

He was like, yo, all the inner shit that I hold in, all the anger and rage and shit that happened to me from a youngster up until now and it made me the way I am. Wow. And I resonated with that because I said I feel the same way, bro. All the shit that I've been through, bro. My pop's dying when I was six. My mom, she hopped, throwing all of us on her back. doing what she got to do time she don't eat because she's making sure

we eat. I come from that shit bro. I ain't no fake ass nigga, bro. Like, niggas be fronting and acting like everything all good all the time. I've seen you pull up into Bentley, nigga, your chain heavy. All that shit. You fraud, though. You can't come home.

You can't come back to your neighborhood. Niggers don't respect you. You're not. Your female don't like you, nigga. I'm from that school of niggas. I'm pro-black. I'm feel like I'm reincarnated from the 70s or one of them niggas, because it's just, there's a level of shit that you, there's a level of toleration you take with everything.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, yo, there's a certain amount of time where you let shit slide before you tell your girl, hey, yo, I don't like that shit. Right, right. You got to tell your man that shit. Tell a nigga right next to you. This is your man.

This is my right hand, A1, day one. Nigel, you're doing sucker shit, bro. Right. Like, switch that shit up. Right. And I'm so real. Tell me the same, my nigga. Right, right, no.

If we like that, if we like that, my nigga, talk to me, bro. Don't talk about me. Right. Talk to me. That's real. Niggas will talk about you. They'll go over there. You know, that norry, man.

But nigger never said nothing to Noree. Sit to your face, yep. I can't do that, bro. Like, I'm one of them niggas that I talk to you. And then if we're talking amongst another one of my niggas, then I can say, yeah, this niggas, why, whatever, whatever, because I know I told him. You know what I'm saying?

So when you run back and tell him, he already know. You already know. Because I don't know who's the nigger that's going to run back and tell you, my man. Exactly. Because that was, he was supposed to be my man too. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, it's that in life, my nigger. It's all about discernment and shit like that. Like, I don't, I don't do a whole lot of interviews. I ain't talk to a whole lot of niggas. I don't, I don't need. these niggas attacking me, attacking my family, or attacking what I stand on. I don't give a fuck if you know what I like or who my top five rappers are. Right, right, right, right.

You care, my nigga is lying there? Whatever. A nigga, you post your kid online. A nigga will start attacking your fucking child. Yeah. Because your child got, the ears are slightly big on, you know what I'm saying? She got thick eyebrows or motherfucker to attack your child. Right.

Oh, look at that motherfucker head. Like, what? Right. You know, internet give niggas a place where they can say shit they were saying to you in your face. A platform list. Yeah. Like when you was noree coming out of motherfucking left rack, bro. There's certain shit, you couldn't say to you.

They don't steal. That's just online. That's what I'm saying? Online, the thing. Online is the toughest people in the world. In the world. But it's like back in the days when the nigger couldn't come up to you and say that. Suck of shit you say to you online.

When lose a draw, nigga, we're going to. blood coming out your mouth. That's just what it was. Where this society, they don't understand that. You could fire off at the mouth. Liggins be throwing comments at you this long. Saying that like they know you. All because of what you might have posted.

You know what I'm saying? You don't know me, nigga. What I post is what I want you to know about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, half the time if I post and tell you I'm at the drink channel, That was yesterday. Yeah, yep, me too. You're not going to roll up on me and catch me there, nigga.

Right. And if you do, be prepared for what's waiting for you. Because it's the real world. Anybody get it, man. Anybody gets it. So all the tough talk, Doug talk, I'm not with all that shit. Yeah, me neither. I don't any, motherfucker could catch me walking out of here.

Next thing you know, I'm the headline tomorrow, right? But it's like, that's what it's all down to. Everybody's for the headlines. Everybody for the, you know, click bait. Click bait. When we came along when we was rapping, we had to go into these offices and convince people, yo, we worth y'all spending these millions. Convinces a very nice word you're using.

You got to convince me. You got a little bit more than we heard the story. But we had to go over in the offices and play our music. It's showing they get that we worth that to me. You know what they did more than convince. Yeah. But nowadays. You don't got to do that.

The arrogance of a nigger because he could just sit here and not only could I just pick you apart, my nigga, I could fuck with you every day if I want to. Until you block me or the, I can come with a new page. I can keep fucking with you. Yeah, I can get under your skin. And they do.

I can make you come out. The troll is under your skin. The trolls. They'll make you. And next thing you know, you're making a live video now. And you've got to address everything now. When you didn't have to do that. Someone they never would have done it back in the day.

You would have never did that. You would have dressed a motherfucker at his show. Mm-hmm. You get off the stage. I'm right here. How you doing? In your dressing room sitting down. P.M. Dawn.

What's up, moniker? Mm-hmm. Gee. Remember how. With Kieran. Yeah. He pressed him right there. You don't disrespect the Fian dawn.

But, I mean, that's what the room was up. But we brushed on it earlier. You rapping with Tom Hardy, right? Yeah. Now, this is an actor, correct? Yes. Big actor. This is venom.

This is venom himself. He, like, he like, that must have been crazy, though. He, like, homeboy from the wire. He just elbow. But it's actually face puller. It's not Tom Hardy. It's not Tom Hardy.

It's not Tom Hardy. It's face puller. Okay. Frankie Pulitzer. Yeah, Frankie Pulitzer. It's not, yeah. Whoever that guy is. He can rap, rap.

He can rap, right. Okay. Frankie Pulitzer is the actor guy. Okay. Holy shit. How did Frankie and you guys understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. How did Frankie connect with you guys?

Because he's more of a rapper than the actor, you're sharing to say. I think he wants to, we all know who he is to be honest. I think he wants to rap. We all know who he is, but it's not Tom Hardy. Okay, okay. It's Frankie Pulitzer, aka the face puller. Now, he used to rap back in the day before, you know, doing his film thing. But I think he was good.

And Esoteric, who's my Zah Face partner, he's big on the comic book. He's like Meph. Meph is a big comic book head, too. I can see that. So he knows all that shit. Venom and Zarface, he was just like, y'all, I can see that. We got a little character for our Zarface crew. Yeah.

And, you know, Venom. You can't play Venom because that's Marvel, right? Yeah, he can't. He can't play him. But y'all did a Marvel collab. Yeah, we did a... For the Black Panther. No, they did a collab.

They did a collab about to pick them up. Yeah, right, right. You see, you heard what he said? Marvel about to pick us up. Marvel about to pick us up. Marvel about to pick us up. Let's make a noise. They see what we're doing, though.

When he comes to his art base, we got, we got, like, the artwork, my man, Limoire Supreme. He would be doing, like, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, who did the artwork. So, yeah, man, it's a tribute to them, though. We're just trying to keep that shit alive. We're from that generation, like, the Marvel comedy, the amazing Spider-Man and friends coming on, you know what I'm saying? On Saturday, you know, just having this superhero shit.

We got powers and all this crazy shit. You know what I mean? Like, just bringing back wrestling. When you hear Zah Face, you hear Saturday morning cartoons. You hear the commercials, you know, Oval Tene and all that craziness. You know what I'm saying? You hear the everything like the pop culture. So, you know, when I'm rapping with Wu Tang, it's like a bombatomically,

Socrates's philosophies. But when I'm rapping with Zah Face, it's just, I'm cooking, call me Bobby Flay. Yeah, I don't play. I've been pitching this raw since in my lobby days. I'm like a modern day Marvin Gay. Like, you know what I'm saying? I get to play around. I'm saying, yeah.

Catch me slow dancing with Scarlett Johansson. I can say a lot of shit that I probably can't get away with on a Wu-Tang track. Because the Wu-Tang track is like the Hulk, you know, Thor, the Vision and all these motherfuckers. The Avengers, like you said earlier. The Avengers, yeah, they ain't on playing around over there, bro. You can't play around with that. You got to zap two lasers out of both hands. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, yeah. I'm trained for that. Like, I got three different careers, right. I'm inspected deck the artist, Inspector Deck, from Wu Tang, and Inspector Deck from Zartface. Wow.

That's all right. I get to play different range, you know what I mean? So a day in the life, the single I've released off of Dragons, but a day in the life, that's Inspector Deck, the solo artist, you know what I mean? 56 years old.

I'm keeping this smooth old G style. I got the Valour suit on in the video. You know what I'm saying? Keeping on some mob ball shit, you know? But, uh, expect the day from Wu-Tang, that's Shalin Rebel, too, the video I released off the album. Where it's, you know, a magic like Irvin or a wand in the hands of Merlin, mask and turban moving work inside a tan suburban. He determined if you love him, tell your man's his curtains.

I freezer burn them, 30-k just for the plastic surgeon. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the Wu-Tang. You don't forget none of your rhymes. But I got a million of them. He don't forget it. He's a encyclopedia of his run. I got a big Harry Potter book of them shit.

You know what I'm saying? Word. I might make that shit. You should make that a real book. Yeah, I heard it first here on the motherfucking champ. So if anybody beat me to it, you know what's up. But you know, and it's like, but that was me being an example of the Wu-Tang,

and then I got a song called Zariana Grande, which we just, we just trying to say, we big as Ariane. We want to be big like Ariana Grande. We call the Zariana Grande. She's one of the biggest artists out there. We want to be like that. So we lay out, man, Zah face.

Big Zaw face in the building, you know what I'm saying? So Zariana Grande, me and my harm breaks. Seven Nell, in esoteric, when your car play. It's 24-7. There ain't no off days. Three to Hardway. It's the Zaw face. And I'm like, Rebel in the Zone.

My life, they want a clone. Cook the mic so right. It's like falling off the bone. Used to write rhymes, but now I carve them in stone. You know what I'm saying? Hit you so hard You need to call a friend to walk you home It's bigger than Nina Brown

And be low down I stay above cloud Till I'm below ground Spitting science to the universe Aliens on Earth now They want to know how we throw down Like I'm just I can say that in a Tsarface lane

Because it's pop references It's pop culture That type of thing You can't say that on the Wooten So was that freeing for you Like you felt a little bit more free It's damn near liberation bro.

It's like some, it's, ZonFace allows me to do the shit I can't do it in the other two lanes. A different creative side of you. Yeah. Well, I could say,

like, I just, I just said some wild shit for a Zard Face. But I'm just saying, like, the shit that I say with them is more playful and witty

and more, you know, pop-culturist type shit than that's- Trying to get the back. Yeah, like, I think you feel like You could

You could experiment more. You could experiment more. You could experiment more. I could experiment. With Wu-Tang, you're like, nah, I'm gonna hone in. I'm a honing. And do what we do as a Wutte.

But it was our face, you play with it, right? Yeah, even I was saying with the Noss track. Like, my son is so smooth. Like, you were saying how we are the ones that continue to do. When I got to do that track with him and Ray,

let my niggas live. I was like kidding the fucking candy store. Let my niggas live. We're on the ball, catch a paper. He's just like, he was snapping everything, making major moves. Like, you know, and Nas was just like,

Knows' verse on let my, check that shit out. Now's verse on Let My Noghs Live. Check my verse out too, why I like that. But, no. Of course. Nas, his verse, was just like some other shit that made me think of my verse.

It's like, oh, my God. Like, I'm on here with this, nigga. I gotta say something. And that's just how it is in rap. You know, it's competitive, like a motherfucker and it's respect. Like, yo, I respect my dude. I can't, he can't stomp me out on this track. I gotta say some fly shit.

So that's what I was thinking of when I, when I mentioned him because, yo, bro, we in a, we in a stage. Like, yo, I mentioned the three singles from Dragon's Breath being a representation of my three different stages of my career. Right. So when people hear this album, don't think that I'm trying to be like, yo, I'm the illest nigga alive and I'm, you know what I'm 56. The fuck, you know what I'm saying? I'm glad y'all listening. So, you know what I'm saying?

I'm glad y'all still respect the craft and the skill of the shit. So, you know, because I've been hearing little things, oh, he got too many features. I'm like, yo, bro, I'm near the end of the career. Yeah, I'm branching out. I wanted to do. I wanted more niggas. Yeah. I wanted Benny.

I wanted Conner. I wanted Fonte from Little Brother. I want it fucking yo-yo. I want it. You know how many songs I want to do with different people, my nigga? Like, you know what I'm saying? A song with Norrie. That's right.

All this shit, but, like, before I go, I would love to get E40 on the track. I want to get, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Like, let me get Project Pat. All these niggas. Well, I would love to do tracks with so many of the niggas that I love and respect. Right. So it's like, when you say too many features or he got too many tracks,

I ain't put an album out in seven years, eight years. All right. You can do what you want. 18 tracks. So out of all the verses you got, you got classic verses, classic set-off verses, what is your favorite verse? I don't know, man. Like, I got different ones for different days.

Today, you can switch, you're saying, yeah. Yeah, different ones. Different ones. So which one today, just for today? Today, I would say something that y'all could listen to. I'm going to give you one off of the Dragon's Breath album. Okay. And this is the new album.

The new album, yeah. Today, I would say Flight School. I got a song called Flight School. Okay. To me, and I said I dance with the devil, I dance with the devil pitching Piff

with the wicked witch. The difference is we the same cloth. I'm just a different stitch. Organize the lick. Nine to five, I'm a survivalist. Lava's in the business. My style is on your wish list. Witness, I talk loud, ringing like a 40 cow.

They call me foul, but your highness, what they call me now. The sunroof top, that's my down. I was like, the diamond in the back, that's my shorthy, wow. The sunroof top costs me 40, thou. Fuck you talk about fly. This is flight school. Daddy cool, pushing 9-11 ice blue. Stormy days, I'm going to still get that kite through.

Then I celebrate the score of Billy White Shoes. You know what I'm saying? It's just, I'm, it's in that pocket of, yeah, flight school. If you had anything to change, what would you change? Do over or something like that? Real talk, man. If I could change anything, bro, I would change some of the sacrifices I made. You know what I mean?

Like, I sacrificed my family and loved ones for a lot of shit that wasn't worth it. You know what I mean? in pursuit of getting that money. The pursuit of getting the bag, you know, I missed a lot of birthdays and graduations and different things along the way, bro. Like, I miss my son being born because I was in Russia on stage.

You know what I'm saying? It was like an emergency. There's nothing I could do, but I couldn't even get back at the time. So it's just like, you know, if anything I could do over, bro, it would be that. Like, yo, take back some of them sacrifice. for people and situations and in times

that wasn't even fucking worth it. You know what I'm saying? And give me that back so that I can put that over there with them. You know what I remember seeing kids telling the story where you dapped the nigger incredible story. I would take some dash back.

I would definitely take some daps back. But, you know, like, yeah, man, some of the sacrifices I made Yeah, for things outside of my real circle. You know, because I try to come back to the hood, put niggas on, spent time and energy and money in niggas. But they just wasn't there, right? They just didn't see what it take.

Like, it takes more than that shit, bro. You could be nice as fucking rapping. But if you a nigger that ain't on, you ain't on time, you don't respect time management, you know what I'm saying? You'll make a motherfucker not fuck with you. Yep. You know what I'm saying? If you don't respect other people in the area besides yourself

where you thinking it's all about you? It's like, nah, nigger, this is a veteran. This is an OG. That's a nigga, show my nigga respect off top. I don't give a fuck what you know about them. You know what I'm saying? Like off of that. You can't fuck with certain people, man.

Like you can't come in the studio and be around this greatness. Right. You know what I'm saying? Or this shit that I created where I'm striving for greatness. Right. Where you can be a nigger that's going to just house of cards my shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, bro, because then now me and you're going to be at it.

You know? And I just said, I learned now to let grudges go, but I don't forget shit, bro. I don't forget shit. So once you cancel your ticket with me, my nigger, it's canceled. You know? Shout out my man, Diem. Back to where I'm at. Anything else you want to say to your fans?

Because we got the, we got the album out right now. But then we got another album with Tom. We got another album with Tom. Well, face fuller. A face puller, my bad. Frankie Pullers. Okay. Yeah, we got the video off that.

The tour. The Wu-Tay tour, which we actually tour. We're supposed to be it's the final table. Yeah, but we're supposed to. The final, final, final table. We're trying to do some. We're working on it's trying to do something at the tour when it comes to West Palm Beach. So maybe you might see drink champs there.

I want to be at the Boutang last tour one more time. I don't want you all this to be going on last tour. I don't want it to end either, man. It's a beautiful thing to still be doing it this long in the game, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, at a certain time, you know. I can see if y'all was out there with Keynes or something like that.

Y'all look good, man. I don't know if I could be up there 60 years old. Man, fuck it. Seatican, 60 to New 30, man. 60 to New 30, man. Let's go for it. 60 new 30? Yeah, yeah.

Just roll with it. Hey, we're going to roll with it. Hey, we're going to roll to the wheels for a lot, you know what I'm saying? So if I got to be up there in the cane and you're paying for it. That's right. Hey, I'm still bombatomically quick.

Be gagging them to do that shit. Guarantee. Guarantee. Still eating bats. They're staying in place. Yeah. Diggas don't even move on. They're still eating bats.

You got a trademark bombatomically because, yeah, I did. I did trade by bombatimically. That's such a, that's such a thing. Let's take a picture and take a couple of drops. That's what it is. And thank you for doing my project as well. Shout out for the dream.

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