Drink Champs - Episode 6 w/ Memphis Bleek

Episode Date: April 29, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN drink it up with Brooklyn's own Memphis Bleek. The guys drink it up and discuss everything from Rocafella records, Jay-z, Dame Dash, podcasting, D'usse cognac brand and a lot more!... --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:15 This is your boy, N-O-R-E. What up, it's DJ E-S-N. And this is Drinks Champs, motherfucking radio. Make some noise! We're the most professional, unprofessional podcast. Now, Drink Chance Podcast, usually it's either your birthday or it's New Year's, but with these, it's definitely your birthday. It's definitely your birthday.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Or is this New Year's? I don't know if this looks right. We in Miami. And today, we got a special guest. One of the most loyal people I've ever met in the world. Not just in hip-hop. And you've been saying that for years. He's loyal. For years you've been saying that.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And he's the type of person that I don't got to speak to him. Because five years can go by. And when I see him, it's the same exact love. The same exact energy. He ain't fake. He a real legend, real dude. You know what I'm saying? You already.
Starting point is 00:04:09 And we got him in the building. Let's make some noise for motherfucking Miff Bleak. Miff Bleak. Miff Bleak. We out here, man. How you doing, sir? I can't complain, man. It's M-I-A-O, baby.
Starting point is 00:04:22 It's M-I-A. I want to salute you, man. You know, you going to drink some rosé with us? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What you drinking? Some of this D'Ussé. Okay, okay. Let's put that D'Ussé out there.
Starting point is 00:04:30 And it rhymes, so it go together. Rosé and D'Ussé, baby. Did you ever mix that? Did you ever try that? Nah, man. That's death juice. Yeah, that sound like a death juice. That's a fact.
Starting point is 00:04:38 That's death juice. So what brings you to Miami, Blee? Coming to check my G. Coming to fuck with you. Great answer. Let's make some noise for that answer. Great answer. Look at him.
Starting point is 00:04:47 He's been doing this. He's been doing this for quite some time. So a lot of people don't know, Bleak, that you moving that D'Ussé for real. You don't move bricks. Yeah, we need to hear how you doing this, man. Yeah, man. They got me out here moving these drugs, man. Same thing.
Starting point is 00:04:59 It's a drug gang, man. You know, go in the club, make an offer they can't refuse. We break a hat. We're moving cases. Hundreds of thousands of cases. Oh, yeah, man. We moving them. It's a drug gang, man. Right. You know, go in the club, make an offer they can't refuse. We break a hat. We move in cases. Right. Hundreds of thousands of cases. Oh, yeah, man. We moving them.
Starting point is 00:05:09 It's moving. You know, it's been four years, Duce. Right. And we picking up some steam out here. We got some of these guys shaking in their boots. They spending unnecessary money right now. Is it true that Bacardi's partners with us? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:20 They distribute for us. You know what I mean? Make some noise for E being an alcoholic, knowing that you're party. That's some real pooping shit right there. Nobody else know that. Even Blink had to think about it, like, words. So how you like, you like that business more than hip-hop? I wouldn't say I like it more than hip-hop, but it's more lucrative than hip-hop.
Starting point is 00:05:40 It's like selling oil, man. Loss of oil? On the block? Nah, it's that call you, man. Losing oil? On the block? On the block? Nah, this is that car oil, man. Okay, okay, okay. Like, people, liquor is a freedom from a lot of stress people deal with, you know? Break it down, Bleak. We listening.
Starting point is 00:05:54 We need an excuse. You have a bad day or a good day, you need something to drink. You know what I mean? Like, music is going to be there forever, but liquor is there forever. Prohibition, baby. You know what I mean? That's why, drink champs, we need a liquor until liquor is sponsoring us.
Starting point is 00:06:08 We let everybody sponsor us. We're hoes. We're fucking everything out there. Every liquor company who get me under the table, it's okay. My wife is letting it go down. No condom, it's okay. I think that liquor is dope. I think that you guys were early on with the Armadale, correct?
Starting point is 00:06:27 Yep, yep. That was fire water. I ain't gonna front. That was like the worst liquor ever. How did y'all get niggas to drink that? I have no idea. Them Hove lines, man. And it works.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Yeah, man. It works. Definitely, especially when you put the thotties in the video with the bottles, too. With the bottle. I still got a bottle of that. I don't know. Is that exclusive? I used to wear it back out.
Starting point is 00:06:47 I was the Def Jam street team and Rock and Roll street team. Save it, man. That's worse than a model. Wait, wait. Time out. You got the original one? No, no. Because we had to promote it.
Starting point is 00:06:54 But the original bottle. I have the original. I kept it. You know it came back out. No, no, no. I'm talking about back then. 90-whatever. You had a KRS ball.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I should have brought it. He had a tennis ball from KRS-One in 1991 where he signed his autograph. So I believe you. No, I got it. I'll take the picture and post it on our IG. So Bleak, I got to get to this story, right? What's up? It was a time where Rockefeller was the biggest in the game, right?
Starting point is 00:07:21 Yeah, yeah. And then there was a time where everybody felt or knew Rockefeller was about to break up. I can't say Rockefeller was over, but about to break up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I had never knew. I was never privileged to this information. I was a guy who got a Rockefeller chain. They never gave me the contract. Big said,
Starting point is 00:07:37 Big said I didn't sign the contract. That's not how I remember it. Y'all niggas were so rich, niggas ain't even care. Like, you just with us. It gonna change. Like, nigga, we're not signing. I want my advance. You know what I'm saying? And no front. remember it yeah I think it was so rich niggas ain't even killing you just what us
Starting point is 00:07:47 you know I had two deals I did have a lot of deal he's found He was over there dropping different language albums. That's a fact. That's a fact. He was looking for a Japanese deal, too. Couldn't get it, though. Couldn't get it. I was like, yeah, I want to be Japanese. So if y'all want to adopt me, like, can you still adopt me? Konnichiwa. At 38.
Starting point is 00:08:12 So there was a time we went to London. Yeah. Right? And in London, we were supposed to close out the show. It was supposed to be either me or you close out the show. And I think we had a drink somewhere. We was kicking it. He was like, yo, why don't we go song for song? Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:08:28 I remember that. We went song for song. I thought me and you destroyed the show. I thought we killed it. The next day, we jump on a private jet. Let's make some noise for the private jet. Just for no reason. Just for no reason. Is this the same time y'all was at Tim Westwood? That same... I believe so.
Starting point is 00:08:43 I believe so. I ain't going to lie. I think we did this trip with them twice. Yep. Okay. Because we did Amsterdam first, and then we did London. So now on this ride coming back on the jet, right, I think Dame said to you, why did you perform whole records or something? And you was like, because those is the hits that I got.
Starting point is 00:09:06 And then that game alluded to the fact like, well, you didn't really do a good show because you did Hov records. I'm an artist, so I totally understood. And then y'all had an argument. This was the illest argument.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Yo, everybody on the plane acted sleep, by the way. It was everybody, too. It argument. Yo, everybody on the plane acted sleep, by the way, right? It was everybody, too. It was mad niggas on the plane. Everybody was on the plane. We playing spades. You was snoring. We smoking weed.
Starting point is 00:09:33 The pilot wanted to kick us off. We smoking. Because I'm going to keep it 100. This is the first time I was on a private plane. It's the first show plane. Where at first the pilot was like, we cool. Y'all can smoke until you get to such and such. That's the first time.
Starting point is 00:09:47 So I'm up rolling. Everybody else. And Dane says something else to Bleak. And Bleak just stood there. And I don't remember if he was rolling, if he was praying. Nah. I don't remember what Bleak did. I know exactly what it was, man.
Starting point is 00:10:02 What was it? Because I fucked with Dane. He was my guy. And it hurt me to see you just didn't see it was, man. What was it? I fucked with Dane. He was my guy. And it hurt me to see you just didn't see what was going on. And I was trying to tell him. And what do you mean by that? Like, you know how when you try to, it's like, I learned something, right? Put it like this.
Starting point is 00:10:19 When a nigga fuck with a bitch, right, and he love her. Now you tell him, now you see Shorty fucking with the homie, she wildin'. And you tell him, now he blame you. It's your fault they broke up. Did he get the herpes lit? It's fucked up for him. He don't even know. You know what I'm saying? You told him. That was the same situation. Like, just without the bitch.
Starting point is 00:10:37 So you was trying to tell him. That my nigga, you movin' too fast. Cause I'm talkin' to the big homie. I'm hammerin' through the pipeline. The streets talk. And I knew. I'm talking to the big homie. I'm hammering through the pipeline. You know, the streets talk. And I knew. I seen this day coming, my nigga. I told all of them. I had a conversation with each
Starting point is 00:10:52 and every person. Now, when you say that, who... I'm talking about Beans, Petey, Gunners, Freeway, and Dame. And Dame, that conversation was on the plane. But I had a one-on-one with everybody and told niggas,
Starting point is 00:11:06 I see this day coming. You're just trying to keep it together. Yes. No, he was like, that's why niggas don't fuck with you, Dame. Yo, for me?
Starting point is 00:11:13 That's what you heard? That's what he said? Oh, I got more. I got more. I had to tell him because it was like he was coming at me and it's like,
Starting point is 00:11:19 my nigga, I'm with you. I ain't even supposed to be on this plane. That's exactly what Bleak said. My nigga, I'm not supposed
Starting point is 00:11:24 to be on this plane. I fuck with Hov and them. even supposed to be on this plane. That's exactly what Bleak said. My nigga, I'm not supposed to be on this plane. I fuck with Hov and them. I could be home on they plane, chilling. I came because I fuck with you. But then he trying to come at me, and it's like, my nigga, when it's over, niggas ain't gonna fuck with you.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Niggas don't fuck with you now. And man, come on, my G. So you saw that... He saw it coming. You saw that where Dame is at right now. You saw that, like, then? Not, not, coming You saw that Where Dame is at right now You saw that Like then Not
Starting point is 00:11:47 I don't want to say right now Like I saw that like Yo nigga's gonna be In this situation Right Cause he going through A lot of personal But what I mean like
Starting point is 00:11:54 With the industry doors closed And the bridges burnt I saw that Because you talking To major power players Remember We was around He flipped on Randy Acker
Starting point is 00:12:03 Randy Acker's here somewhere Shout out Randy Acker Shout out Randy Acker He Randy Acker's here somewhere. Shout out Randy Acker. Yeah, shout out Randy Acker. He's my man. Let's make some noise for Randy Acker. Gotta keep Jewish people around. Gotta keep Jewish people around. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:12:14 Look at all the power players that was around. Leo, Kevin Liles, Steve Stout. Everybody, them people are the people that's making it happen. Steve Bartleson, they pushing the buttons. You know what the people that's making it happen. Steve Bartleson, like, they pushing the buttons. You know what I mean? Like, they making it happen. And you've seen them flip on Steve Bartles as well. Seen everything, my G.
Starting point is 00:12:33 I've been around. I've been around, man. I get a napkin, somebody? Sweating like a slave over here. I've been around, my G, real talk. Wow. I ain't going to lie. That was like, you ever, like, you happy that you there, but you just wish you wasn't?
Starting point is 00:12:49 I was like, damn. It was awkward for you. The way they was going at it, and I ain't going to lie, Bleak was cutting them deep. Like, that's why this shit is going to all be over. How long before? All this private playing shit is going to be over. Niggas ain't fucking with you, Dame. Like, to his face.
Starting point is 00:13:08 This wasn't a text. You said it's 2004. This wasn't a two-way. Between 02 and 04. This wasn't a two-way, my man. He said it to his face. He was like, look, nobody really fuck with you. When we stop fucking with you, everybody going to stop fucking with you.
Starting point is 00:13:22 And shit is real. So, I actually see that. There's nobody. I feel awkward. I was on some bullshit, right? And I couldn't tell nobody because, like, who do you tell? And in public, you know, Dame and Jay and Biggs, they did a real great protecting their business. You understand what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:13:43 That's right. So I didn't believe the rumors when I'm down with them and they're saying, yo, they're going to break up. I was like, I've just seen them niggas in the same spot.
Starting point is 00:13:51 They ain't saying what's up to each other, but who's going to be in the same spot? But wait, but what about the film Death of a Dynasty, right? See, that's another one.
Starting point is 00:13:59 That's a nail in the coffin. Why would you, that showed us, I don't know, was that a prophecy? What the fuck was going on there? Who knows? I never even saw it,
Starting point is 00:14:07 read the script, participated. I was in that. Nothing. I was in that. I was a bouncer in there. Y'all was giving me checks. Pick a Rockefeller
Starting point is 00:14:14 for giving me checks. Give me a Rockefeller for giving me checks. I was in like five Rockefeller movies. I ain't fuck with that. Just off the title, Death of a Dynasty.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Nigga, ain't nobody die. It's crazy. I did not realize you wasn't in there. I never fucked with that. But they killed you, Death of a Dynasty. Nigga, ain't nobody die. It's crazy. I did not realize you wasn't in there. I never fucked with that. But they killed you in State Property 1. Yeah, they killed me.
Starting point is 00:14:30 They ain't killed me. I killed myself, my nigga. You did? You know why? Because I didn't read the script. I just came in the spot. Y'all shooting a movie? I want to be
Starting point is 00:14:38 the gangsterest nigga killing everybody. They're like, all right, you blizz. So I'm like, all right, cool. I'm blizz. Every day they're giving us little short scripts. So the day I was supposed to die, They're like, I, you blizz. So I'm like, I ain't cool. I'm blizz. Every day they giving us
Starting point is 00:14:45 little short scripts. So the day I was supposed to die, I'm like, nah, y'all niggas gotta rewrite this. Like, are you fucking kidding me? Now I die,
Starting point is 00:14:53 y'all can't kill me. Like, nah. I recently did French Montana movie and they wanted me to get robbed in the movie. I said,
Starting point is 00:15:00 listen, we're changing that. Listen, we're changing that. I, we're changing that. I earned my rights. I'm sorry, man. You can't do that, man. So you didn't do Death of a Dynasty. You did do State Property 1.
Starting point is 00:15:13 And I did, what's the other one with Kevin Hart? I was in there too. Paper Soldiers. I didn't want to do that, though, man. I ducked down for probably like three months. And you just rhymed in that. Jay made the call for that movie. If it wasn't for Big Homie, I wouldn't have been in that.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Because he was even in there for a slight second, just like bouncing to a beat. Yeah. That movie changed my life. So the movie thing was Dane's thing then? Yeah, that was a big situation with Dane, too, because he felt the way. Like, why Hov say something and you make it happen, and and then i say something you don't make it happen because you know it's just because like you know you got a lot of pressure on you i think you had a lot of pressure on you since he said as long as i'm alive bleak would be a million there no it was before that
Starting point is 00:15:59 it was before that said yo bleak's gonna be a new rapper, new improved Jay-Z. Wait, whoa, when the fuck did I say that? When I wanted to be that? You know, that was on the intro of the album. Then I come on spinning. So it's like, but I ain't want to be the new improved hove. I'm Bleak. Nigga, you hove. It's a lot of pressure been put on you.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. How many people call you for a Jay-Z feature a day? Nah, nobody. Nobody don't? Nah. They know they're not getting that. Nah, your curve game is good. And it got to be a certain caliber of nigga, and it got to be worth it.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Because Jay ain't just doing no verse. Imagine what it take to get Jay in the studio. Like, my nigga. Asking Obama. How many calls do you get for favors? Like, people just saying, yo, can Hov sign my God's sister's bar mitzvah? How many calls you get of that? Man, I done put so many people on they place in this game, my G.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Right. Because he's really your friend. Yeah. Like, I see y'all together, and I'll be like, y'all, that's friendship. And that's where people get it twisted. A lot of people think me and Hov don't fuck with each other because, what, he ain't on my IG. Right. We ain't on Snapchat.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Right, right. We real homies. Like, when you see your brother, do you take a picture of your brother? Nigga, let the fuck out of here. You know what your brother look like? Facts. Facts. You okay with that?
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Can I get some more? What the fuck? You got me and Bleak in the building talking some real deep shit, man. So, Bleak, your first album. Ooh, my nigga Ed Doe. That's the first time we spoke, right? That's right.
Starting point is 00:17:39 You called me, yo, he was like, yo, I need that Ed Doe shit. I need that such and such. I was in Miami. I was like, I'll just let him go. Damn shit. I need that such and such. I was in Miami. I was like, I'll just let him go. Damn, that other bottle's gone already? God damn it. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:17:51 They can still play. Yo, so how did your first album? Well, I was on Def Jam as well, correct? Yeah, yeah. Rockefeller, Def Jam. So how did it feel doing that first album? Man, it was a lot of pressure. Everything was Beanie Siegel. I did that album without no budget,
Starting point is 00:18:05 nothing. Just me and Lenny S. We went and Brielle locked in and just made it happen because Beans came up and put more pressure on the nigga. Because he did Reservoir Dogs and I'm sitting there like fuck. Crazy, right? What the fuck is this nigga eating? How he spitting
Starting point is 00:18:22 this? And you was at that session? Yeah, I was at that session. So then Jay like, yo, I want y'all to do crew love. So you know me, I said crew love or if he had smoked weed now, I don't give a fuck. This nigga come on there spitting that Monopoly shit. I was like, wait, wait, take my verse off.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Nah, nah, take that off. So Beans put pressure on the nigga to where everything in Rockefeller and Def Jam was Beans. And you got to really give him credit because think of this. Only rapper in history to get on a tour with no song, no record, no beat, and spit a fucking acapella in front of 20,000 and not get booed. Niggas couldn't even do that at the Apollo. Y'all know there was a fake Beanie Siegel going around, right?
Starting point is 00:19:06 Nah. In Miami? Yeah, I was the rep. I don't know if I was a rep yet for Def Jam Rockefeller yet. I don't know. Maybe not. But there was a dude going around. This was before internet shit. And this dude's going around saying he's taking money. He's on Khaled's underground Mix 96
Starting point is 00:19:22 show and everything doing freestyles. And he looked like Beans? No. This is the thing. We didn't know because Beans was heavy on the mixtapes doing freestyles. And he looked like Beans? No, this is the thing. We didn't know because Beans was heavy on the mixtapes. We didn't know what he looked like. Right. So then he came to my store, crazy girl that you came to,
Starting point is 00:19:32 and he's dropping a freestyle on my mixtapes. The real Beans? No, the fake ones. Okay. And he's doing blah, blah, blah, blah. And something just didn't feel right. Right. So I called,
Starting point is 00:19:42 I think it was, y'all were talking about Big Face. I think I called him. I said, yo, what does Beanie look like? He said, he's fat.
Starting point is 00:19:50 I said, this guy's skinny. Yo, I don't know what happened after that, but this dude left town. Wow. But he was going around
Starting point is 00:19:58 and he was getting money. That's crazy. Now, what I want to ask you, Blee, is, was there ever a dip set drama? Was there ever real dip set problems?
Starting point is 00:20:11 Nah, that's what confused me. Because it's like, we men at the end of the day, right? If it's a problem, we going to fight. Usually a gun come out because you got punched in your face a lot and you ain't like it. So you ain't got your gun, right? Nothing ever happened. Niggas, we's down, we in baseline every day. We in the office every day. Niggas going on little trips every day,
Starting point is 00:20:34 went to PR, everything. Nothing. But soon as niggas, Ragafella separated, it's fuck these niggas, fuck them niggas. I still want to know what the drama was about. Wow. Like, I don't know. Like, Karen, Karen Seville, she did an interview where she said that.
Starting point is 00:20:50 I think that was over a parking spot. Yeah. Cam declined that. Cam said. I highly doubt that. I think she said something was a parking spot, dip set. I want to know how that exists. Hov ain't drive a car since 96, so what parking spot?
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Starting point is 00:25:15 It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. That's it. Because I remember seeing you in the club,, they in the club, and nothing happening. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Like, nothing ever happened. Nobody got punched in the face till True Life came, but. Right. Right. True Life coming home soon. Yeah, you already know. Shout out to True Life. True Life coming home soon.
Starting point is 00:25:56 You already know. I knew Big was going to say that. No, he said. You know, True Life was punching niggas in the face a lot. Like, but, then, you know what other than that i don't know like right so you never like had an argument with none of them nothing i went to the movie when they was doing state property too and i had a face-to-face talk with cam dame everybody and i said to them niggas and let them know like yo my niggas is it a problem with the big homie because if it is we
Starting point is 00:26:23 could go outside shoot it out shoot a fair one gun play had whatever niggas yo, my niggas, is it a problem with the big homie? Because if it is, we could go outside, shoot it out, shoot a fair one, gunplay, whatever niggas wanted to do. Niggas was looking at me like, nah, it ain't nothing. We just trying to get money. Everybody want to eat. We got families to feed. And I respected that. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:35 But then when I walked off the trailer, got in my car and parked at my crib, it was nine diss songs later. That's rappers for you, my nigga. Have you ever seen them recently? Nah. I seen Cam at a, I think it was a Red Bull show when I was with Just Blaze and Goop. He always show love. He a cool nigga, him and Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Like, A9 niggas ain't going, what, they going to run down to a blizzard? Right, right. I keep that. They better run. Let's make some noise for Bleak. Keep it up. Hold on, hold on. I was picking you up earlier, but.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Oh, no, no. That was good. Holy moly guacamole. This is how it's going down, man. So, Bleak. You're doing a Duce thing.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Is y'all signing Tax Stone? Is that going down? Tax Stone is Duce Mafia. Make some noise for Tax Stone. Yeah,'all signing Tax Stone? Is that going down? Tax Stone is D'Ussé Mafia. Make some noise for Tax Stone. Make some noise for Tax Stone. Make some noise for Tax Stone. D'Ussé Mafia.
Starting point is 00:27:32 That's what's up. Podcast fans, what's up? Yeah. He's a great guy, man. Tax is my dude, man. So I heard there's another story that when Tax actually filmed Hov in the office, like he filmed Hov, like people thought that he did Tax Storm podcast. And it was people like Elliot Wilson that was hating hitting Hov and saying, yo, did you do Tax Storm podcast? And did you hear anything about that?
Starting point is 00:28:00 I heard it. I don't know what truth it is to it, but I heard it too. I heard you trying to don't know what truth it is to it, but I heard it too, my dude. I heard him. I heard him trying to shake Hov up, like, yo, how you going to do tax-prone shit before me? And if Hov want to do tax shit before him, that's some Brooklyn shit. Let the Brooklyn niggas live.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Shout out to Brooklyn one time. Shout out to Brooklyn for the goddamn it. One time. But we heard Elliot was a little hated about that. We heard he was a little hated, and he sent in an email or something. And I don't think the homie hit him back since. Ah, man, that's bad. You don't know if this is true or not?
Starting point is 00:28:34 We're going to make some noise. Let's get beat down. He's spreading the rumor. Make some noise for beat down. Let's get beat down. Get beat down. Yo, big up beat down to Elliot. They're going to hate us.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Podcast wars and shit. Damn, man. They're going to hate us. Podcast warriors and shit. Damn, man. Now I got to watch my back for the... Yo, but let me tell you about Rockefeller, man. Y'all dudes really had it, like, rich and pole. And, like, y'all dudes was really balling at one point. It was too much money, my nigga. I ain't going to lie.
Starting point is 00:29:01 I was too young. I wasn't prepared. It was too much money around. Do you ever think about all the shit you did? Yes, I do. Like, I ain't gonna lie. I was too young. I wasn't prepared. It was too much money around. Do you ever think about all the shit you did? Yes, I do. I'm 38 years old. How old are you? I'll be 38 in June. My nigga was the same age. But yo, you ever think about how much shit... I mean, I did a lot.
Starting point is 00:29:16 But I ain't have a crew of niggas that was platinum. It was just me. I was gold and Capone, let's help me out somehow. You know what I mean? He want to go to jail. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:29:28 So I'm out here dolo. Like, what y'all had, you gone gold. I got your plaque. I was on your album. Let's make some noise for that guy there. You was gold. Beans was gold. I think Freeway was gold.
Starting point is 00:29:42 I think Camp. Yo, whole Super Platinum. Like, y'all dudes was, like, I can't, yo, whole super platinum. Like y'all dudes was like, I don't know if that era could ever be recreated. I think cash money came close, but it wasn't, even though like some of y'all was beefing, it was always felt family orientated.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Like baseline felt, it was felt, felt ill. Like it was like, if it was any animosity, trust me, that was some under the table. Shit was never spoken about. It was never. Cause when niggas was around each other, everybody was 100, 110 percent with each face to face. That's right.
Starting point is 00:30:12 So all that other shit that came out, I should be just to sell records. My like niggas got niggas numbers and you know how to find everybody all in the same city. Like think about it. You this a nigga. You record no 59th Street. He recorded in the same city. Like, think about it. You diss a nigga, you recording on 59th Street, he recording on 44th. For real, my nigga? That nigga's that soft?
Starting point is 00:30:34 You know what I'm saying? Like, so, we in the same city, so that animosity shit was never that. It was always family with the team, man. We fucked with each other. I love my niggas, man. Beans my brother. The Gunners, Neve. But Beans, when Beans wilded out, it had to hurt you. Because I know what type of person you is.
Starting point is 00:30:50 It hurt me. And you love Beans, too. That's my brother. Any interview you ever see, Beans even came at me. Do me under the bus. Got me hit by the.44 riding up no street. Right. But when you seen that, what was the first thing you thought? You was like, something's
Starting point is 00:31:05 wrong. And that's the thing, my nigga. Stress will make a nigga do things you never thought was possible. It's like unhuman strength it'll give you. It makes people do different things and react in certain situations.
Starting point is 00:31:21 So I never held any malice towards him because it ain't like he talking about no personal shit. I'm going to suck it. Right. So it's like, it's just that shit, right? So how personal can I take that? And that's my brother.
Starting point is 00:31:35 You can't erase history. We grew up together. That part of, that was a period where, okay. Nah, nah. Leave that in here. That was a period where... Okay. Nah, nah. Leave that in here. That was a period where it was dark for me because I know him beans and I know how you love him.
Starting point is 00:31:52 And you ain't going to love no fake nigga. That's right. I know you for 20 years. I want to say 10 because we're going to keep it young. But I knew that really wasn't beans neither. It wasn't him. So it was a dark time for me just seeing those interviews and seeing that because I was one of the dudes. I was the only dude from Queens that was on Streets is Watching.
Starting point is 00:32:13 I was the only dude from Queens that did like five movies with them. Yeah, you were always with them. They always showed me loves. And so for me to see that, it turned that way because it's like, it was bad for me. It was like, as a fan, I didn't look, but I knew it would be worked out. I didn't think Ho would ever forgive him. I thought he would forgive him from far, but when I seen him on the stage, I was like, that was the biggest monumental thing that anybody can do.
Starting point is 00:32:42 At the end of the day, man, that's right. Forgiveness is everything. We all family, man the end of the day, man, forgiveness is everything. We all family, man. We grew up together, man. Cousins fuck up. Brothers fuck up. And y'all made a lot of money together. You know what I'm saying? You're not going to disown your family members. And like I said, man,
Starting point is 00:32:57 we spent 20 years together. I think I met Beans, I was 17 years old, my nigga. I told y'all I'd be 38. God bless. You know what I mean Like come on That's my brother Y'all went through a lot Life experiences
Starting point is 00:33:10 So when you think about it Right Like now that you're A grown man And I think I think I think You always had a voice
Starting point is 00:33:17 In Rockefeller I just think People you know You was always smoking weed And shit But people didn't realize How smart you was And that's the thing I say that to the staff Cause you ain't You ain't a. Yeah, that's right. But people didn't realize how smart you was.
Starting point is 00:33:25 And that's the thing. I say that to the staff. Because you ain't a new smart nigga. That's right. Like, I used to always build with you. Like, you ain't new smart. The new year. This nigga, this nigga, this nigga. I was building with this nigga back in the day.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He's like, this nigga's a genius. Like, he, you know what I'm saying? But he had the street nigga role, though. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can tell, like, all right, he got the burn on him. You know what I'm saying? So, if there's anything that you regret about the Rockefeller, you know, when it went away, what's one thing that you wish you could have fixed?
Starting point is 00:33:53 Just being more prepared, my nigga. I wasn't prepared. Prepared for the breakup or prepared to keep it together? The whole run. If it was your choice, would you have kept it together? Yes, definitely. I tried. I had that conversation with Beans
Starting point is 00:34:07 that's what I was saying to you like I remember when Beans when he first felt his way about Jay I don't know if it was the exact moment but it was the record when he did it
Starting point is 00:34:18 with R. Kelly and we supposed to put Neo on the record but he did it with R. Kelly Beans and this is when R. Kelly was suing Hov yes okay cool so you know it was a little thing about that niggas ain't feel that
Starting point is 00:34:29 but they went with it and i guess you know he wanted hove to do something and they ain't do it and i'm telling i remember having a conversation a real conversation with sigo and i'm like yo my nigga i just dropped five three four right hove on one joint by himself. Right. He not on none of my records. Right. He ain't getting my video. We did. Think about it. When I did What You Think of That video, I had to split it in half and do my hood to your hood because Jane
Starting point is 00:34:55 want to do the video. Right. That's my brother. Right. If he ain't getting my shit, why he gotta get my shit? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Real talk. That's how I looked at it. Like, my nigga, I'm not mad. I always felt like Hov was harder on you.
Starting point is 00:35:10 All the time. Because y'all from the same building. I always felt like that. Yeah, all the time. Like, all the time. My nigga to go to Hov and tell him a story. Nigga, I got to be bleeding. You can't tell Hov, yo, them niggas fronted on me. No, he going to say, yo, don't walk down there no more.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Stay the fuck over there. I bought you a plane. Why the fuck you walking down there? But let me come in the office bleeding. Oh, we going to send the dogs after that. That's Jay. Like, it got to be serious. Anything else is like, my nigga, avoid it.
Starting point is 00:35:36 You know, we ain't trying to get into the bullshit. And it's like with everybody, with Freeway, I told Free the same thing. My nigga like, yo, Hov is just out of space you know it's certain places where artists get where the label be like yo nah he can't do no more videos he did too many videos you can't do no more he over exceeded himself
Starting point is 00:35:56 like I remember Ja we was supposed to do a video like think about this Ja did a record with Ja Murder for Life my record Ja called me yo Ble, Bleak, this shit hard. Let me put it on my album. I let him put it on his album. That nigga shot a video for my record
Starting point is 00:36:12 with Black Chow and Ty Murder without me. Make some noise for that. Make some noise for Jai, bro. Ultimate Jack Morris. And I never said nothing. I never felt the way. But you wasn't even on the record After he took the record Nah
Starting point is 00:36:25 He took the record Shot it in Queens Jamaica Mall Everything He was still probably mad For giving a whole Can I give a what what He was probably like
Starting point is 00:36:35 I gotta give something back Why He got the record But you know Certain things you just know That's a decision He gonna make And you
Starting point is 00:36:43 As a man Gotta do your thing You can't hold nobody accountable for your situation. And not everything is personal either. You can't point fingers, man. And then how about with the CEOs? Would you want to
Starting point is 00:36:55 keep it the same way with Rockefeller, Def Jam with the original, Def Jam with the Leo Combs, the Randy Ackers, the Rob Love. That was my favorite label. What? That was the best label at the time, man. You kidding me? We had everybody.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Remember Jazz? The Lady Jazz. Okay, okay. Slightly. Everybody, man. We had everybody. Shout out to Sam Crespo, too. Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Sam Crespo. He was Def Jam. He wasn't Roc-A-Flea. No, but I'm saying it as a part of the team. You had Darren, Bobby Dash. Every successful team got a piece of that team with them. Yeah, they I'm still a part of the team. Y'all had Darren, Bobby Dash. Every successful team got a piece of that team with them.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Yeah, they do. They do. Every successful team right now got a piece I'm a successful team. I got Randy Acker right here. Shout out to Randy Acker
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Starting point is 00:38:10 So fucking, fucking happy to have you here But I also gotta bring up the time You lined me up You want me to get a napkin by G? Bleak, line up Listen, alright, just in case Sometimes you say you're the lamest If you're the lamest
Starting point is 00:38:28 What does that mean by the way That means if you don't know Shit is real here Let's leave all that We leaving all that So lamest terms Yes So line up means like
Starting point is 00:38:37 You set a person up Like for a stick up Right But it's pretty much the same thing What Bleak did to me Let me get to the start Let me get to the story. Let me get to the... First off, that's why I wanted to bring up his first album.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Like, when a nigga's on your first album, this is the type of relationship y'all supposed to keep. And me and him have that. Right? One day. It's Thanksgiving. The day after Thanksgiving. My kid's got the hoverboards. I know I told this story, but we're keeping this story.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Telling it again. Oh, this is the recent story. No, this is because he's the lineup. He's the lineup. He really is. So he lined me up. So look, my kids is out on the hoverboards. I'm upstairs being a fat boy. I brought a whole sweet potato pie. My intentions was to only have
Starting point is 00:39:20 two pieces. You had the whole circle. Somehow, it was all gone. It was all gone, but I'm looking around, making sure I'm not guilty. My wife is somewhere. I get a call. It's an unknown call. So I'm like, hello?
Starting point is 00:39:35 No, I didn't say hello, because I just answered it, because I'm thinking it's a jail call, because you know when you're in a jail call, you got to say, hmm. They be like, this is a call from such and such and such. So, you know, that's how I think it is. But it's so he's like oh it's jay like jay who like z i'm like whatever man right boom so i now i he called he texted me he said i'm gonna text you my number so you could call me back so i i play along with the game. Okay, cool. But if he would have told me, yo, OG Juan gave me your number.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Tata gave me your number. Lenny S. Back ass. All people who I mess with, by the way, is just we're not on phone number basics. Basics. So he says, I got your number from Bleak. I was like, oh my God. I was like, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Yo, I start sweating because you want to get a call from Jay, right? You want to Oh, my God. I say, oh, my God. Yo, I start sweating. Because you want to get a call from Jay, right? You want to. Because this is the biggest dude ever. But you don't want to get a call unexpectedly. Like, it's the most horrible, good feeling in the world. It's a great feeling.
Starting point is 00:40:44 But you're like, oh, my God. And Bleak, you ain't send me your text. You ain't give him no text. You ain't give me a two-way. You could have hit me on my two-way. My two-way still work. You know why? Because it wasn't about nothing. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:40:55 He called me, right? Like, yo, you got N-O number? I'm like, yeah, I speak there. I just spoke to you, like, about a couple days ago. I'm like, yeah, I just spoke to him. Why, what's up? Hey, they all right? What happened? He's like, nah, I just spoke to him. Why, what's up? Hey, what happened?
Starting point is 00:41:05 He's like, nah. He just did this interview, man. I just want him to get it straight. You know, I don't like lies being put up. I just want him to know the truth to the story. That's what he told me. I'm like, oh, all right, cool. I'm going to send him his number right now, my nigga.
Starting point is 00:41:22 That's exactly what he told me. And by the way, I spoke to people that was there that night and Hov was right. Let's make some noise for Hov. You know, after the shit come out, because I didn't know, I didn't bring up this story. Big up Tax Stone once again.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Shout out Tax. So Tax asked me this story at the very last minute. I believe it was actually walking out the door. If you listen to the interview, I'd be like, yeah, man, thank you for having me. He'd be like, yo, one last thing. And I said it. I said what I heard. So, the actual people who was actually supposed to do it or was supposed to be involved, he called me and was like, nah, that's not what happened.
Starting point is 00:42:01 And I was like, God damn it. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, that's not what happened. And I was like, God damn it. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, that's not the point. The point is getting a call from Jay-Z is, how do you say it? I don't know this word. They didn't make this word yet. Nerd right there? Like, they didn't make this word yet.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Because it's good. You just know something happened. Put it that way. Because he could have had Carlene call me. I know Carlene ain't back there, but. She there. Shot out Carlene. Shot out.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Like, he could have had somebody. He didn't. He called direct. It was like, I was shook. Like, I told him, I said, this is how I know I'm a grown ass man. I said, how do I fix it? Immediately. How do I fix it?
Starting point is 00:42:43 And Hov said, I said, you want me to go do the interview? He said, no, because then it's going to look like I started you or something. So I said, so Hov, he said, but if it ever comes up. So now here's what makes me a genius. I made a record about it. That's right. I made a record about it so they can ask me about it everywhere I go. And Hov, I corrected it.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Please take me off the block list. Let's go. The reason why I still know take me off the block list. Let's go. The reason why I still know I'm on the block list. The black list. Nah, I'm just playing. Hov always been cool with me. But there's crazy shit. We doing Tax Stone and Charlamagne.
Starting point is 00:43:17 We interviewing them, right? And we didn't release it. And we're talking about Hov. We're just saying some shit. And then you called. I said, listen, this nigga's Illuminati for real. As soon as we brought it home, we're getting Bleak called. We was like, yo, Bleak, everything's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, you're drinking D'Ussain, Bleak.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Yo, but that's crazy for you to be. I don't want to say best friends because that's like a dumb term. For you to grow up with a man who is probably the most important person in cultural history. See, and that's what's so ill, man. Like, I really didn't grow up with Jay. He watched me grow up. Like, I remember being
Starting point is 00:43:57 in the building, young nigga, thinking I'm out there moving packs. Like, I'm doing my thing. Move, come in the building. Yo, what you doing? I'm not getting money, nigga. What you mean what I'm doing? See, this is eating. Like, I'm doing my thing. Move, come in the building. Yo, what you doing? Y'all ain't getting money, nigga. What you mean what I'm doing? See this? I'm eating. Like, what you moving?
Starting point is 00:44:10 Sure, I think about where you throw my shit in the incinerator. Incinerator in the projects is the garbage for those who don't live in the projects. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:44:16 Right. So you throw my shit away. So I'm like, damn, Modak, I need that bread. I want to go buy some shit from Tom D's. He's like,
Starting point is 00:44:23 I think I'll get me five honey, huh, man? Tom, Dick and Harry's? huh? Yeah, okay, okay. Take this five, go in the crib. Stop wasting your life, little nigga. You bugging. Like that. So he always been the OG before the rap shit. And the rap shit just so happened, man. I seen a video
Starting point is 00:44:38 he would cane it up. I'm like, this nigga live in my building. Let me tell this nigga how to spit. Now, it's Ho from 5E. Yeah. Let's make some noise for 5E. Fat Joe, let's do it. I'm from 5E. That's right.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Me, Fat Joe, we starting an Illuminati. We're saying that if you're... No Snapchat, twin. No Snapchat. No Periscope. No none of that shit. All right?
Starting point is 00:45:01 Me, Fat Joe, and both Hov is from 5E. We're going to make an Illuminati. I don't know if it's Illuminati, but we're making a section of Illuminati. So if you're from 5E, you know what I'm saying, we're looking for you because we need interns for 5E. We're starting something. We're starting something.
Starting point is 00:45:17 So, go ahead. You got a question for him? I just want to know, like, the name. Where did it come from? What, Memphis? Oh, I heard this. I heard this. Oh, man. That comes straight from Memphis. Right? Oh, I heard this. I heard this. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:45:25 That comes straight from Memphis. Right. Like, I only been there one time. How ill is that? I've been to Memphis one time. You ain't been back? Nope. Get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 00:45:33 And this is when J-Hat ain't no nigga. So, think. I wasn't even there because they knew me. They didn't even know who the fuck I was. So, it's before Beyonce. It's before everything. Niggas had their thotties. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Disclaimer. Disclaimer Yeah Disclaimer Disclaimer Go ahead Shorty like Yeah I wanna welcome y'all To Memphis Tennessee I wanna welcome you To making easy money
Starting point is 00:45:52 Pimping hoes In style Tennessee So I'm like Huh That's my name Cause me and Jay Just had a conversation He like yo
Starting point is 00:46:01 Cause your name was Bleak It was just Bleak He like yo Nobody buying an album By a nigga named Bleak. Because Bleak means like plain, right? Yeah, like by way of Zovas, deserted. Right. So he like, nobody buying that.
Starting point is 00:46:15 You got to have another name. So I'm like, nigga, I'm Bleak. Everywhere I go, that's what they know me by. Like, I can't just change my name. So when Shorty said that, I said, that's me. I want to make easy money. I want to pimp the ho. I definitely got style.
Starting point is 00:46:29 That's me. And you still ain't got a record with a Memphis nigga yet. Five. Nah, you can't say that because A-Ball and MJG is on the round here with you. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:46:43 That was my next question Like You had the foresight To see that The music industry Was going to the south Who was the first dude To have two south people Yep
Starting point is 00:46:53 From New York You was from New York But you had Trick Daddy And you had T.I. T.I. Yep That's because Man
Starting point is 00:46:59 I seen it coming my G With the whole No limit movement The first cash money wave He be seeing a lot of He be seeing a lot of shit. We call you Memphis Bleach Shadamas from now on.
Starting point is 00:47:12 So wait, did you put Hov on to Juvenile's record? No, no, no, no. That don't shit. The radio put us all on to that. But my thing was, I remember being this is before Mr. Kusan to No Limit. I remember being, I think before Mr. Kool signed to No Limit. I remember being, I think it was Greensboro, North Carolina or something like that.
Starting point is 00:47:30 And they was playing that Mr. Kool record, The Man Right Here. The Man Right Here! Yo, my nigga, it's like the club exploded when the song came on and then everybody came back to life. So I'm looking like, what the fuck kind of beat was that? Like, I need one of those. So it just so happened, I'm just sitting in the crib, you know, Trick. I fucked with all Trick albums. Every Book of Thugs that nigga ever dropped.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Miami Legends. Nigga, you already know. That's my nigga. And then T.I. was coming up. He had the 24s, you know, moving, doing his thing. So Just Blaze was playing around here beat. He didn't even like the beat. I come in the studio, yo, my nigga, what's that? He's like,
Starting point is 00:48:07 nah, that's some shit I was fucking with. I'm like, nigga, that shit hard. Let me fuck with that. So, I do the verse. I get in contact with Trick because, you know, I always fucked with Miami, so I knew him. I come down here, link up with him in Circle House. He do his verse. This is ill because I remember telling Jay, y'all want to put T.I. on
Starting point is 00:48:24 this. Jay looking at me, man, who the fuck is T.I.? I'm like, yeah, he's from Atlanta. And shout out T.I., he only wanted five bands for the verse. Right, right, right, right, right. So Jay like, why we got to get this nigga five bands? I was like, no, man, just put Beans on the record or something. I'm like, Jay, I got ten records with Beans. Niggas know Beans is my man.
Starting point is 00:48:45 No, this is the shit. I want to do something different. New York, Atlanta, Miami, the city, this is coming together. My nigga niggas like, you sure? I'm like, yo, trust me.
Starting point is 00:48:55 They ain't even want to make it the single. We tried to push everything to go. Everything's a go. Everything's a go. I remember Leo came to the studio. We love Leo stories. We love Lior stories. Let's get to it. Bleak.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Him and Jay. Bleak. We can't push the album back no more. We have no more money. The budget is spent. No more money. The budget is spent. It's gone.
Starting point is 00:49:17 No money. Jay like, yeah, we got to go. You got to pick a song, nigga, and that's it. We just going to go with it. I say, my nigga, let's go with round hair. He's like, you sure? I'm like, trust me. And I directed the video, and they shitted on me and gave me my credit, gave it to somebody.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I don't even know who fucking named the video. Come on, remember the name, Bleak. Remember the name, Bleak. Let's throw him under the bus right now. Who is this guy who took the credit from Bleak? I got to figure that out, man. Google it. Come on, Hash. Google it. Come on, Hash.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Google it. Come on. You're sitting in front of a computer. Shoot it in Atlanta. And you did. So that wasn't camera tricks. No. That was real.
Starting point is 00:49:53 That was dope. The only thing that was camera trick was Atlanta. We didn't have no money. Oh, so where was that? That was Miami? Yeah, we found out. High five. High five.
Starting point is 00:50:01 We just flew some Atlanta cars. We doing that. Come on, make some noise. Make some noise. Make some noise for us cutting the budget. I know how to cut the budget. Cut the budget, baby. So, you know, we made it happen. Shit was a classic, man.
Starting point is 00:50:15 It worked. You ever got back in from Def Jam? Like, you know how you get 500,000 and then you only spend 200? You never did that and got like three? Hell no. I ain't gonna front. I did that one time and I was up. Yo, my nigga, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:50:30 On penalty, though. My boss is a hustler. Right. He ain't, you can't out-hustle a hustler. So when I'm trying to hustle, he see my hustle. Oh, he kill it. Like, my nigga, I did the album 534 and Guru Crib. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:43 So, you know, we like this. All the invoices. Guru Studio. Niggas looked at that like, pop! Good looking. Y'all niggas ain't getting no money. Y'all niggas ain't getting the fuck out of here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I ain't going to lie. See, Bleak, that's why I had the hood lab. I had the hood lab. Remember when you used to hang over me? I had the hood lab. And the fact that it was on 32nd and 31st and Madison, the invoices would come from that address. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Make some noise. Make some noise. They would never come from Thug Doubt Militainment because if they come from Thug Doubt Militainment, they would be like, that's Nori. But I would never do that. I would always send it from Hood Lab. We had one fax machine.
Starting point is 00:51:21 That's it. That's right. We would send our shit to it. Yeah, they clicked us. Our fax machine was fucked up. I think it was like leftovers burned on there. Half a desk.
Starting point is 00:51:27 It was like... It was a half a frog laying in a motherfucking... We lived bad. But we lived in a great environment. Bleak used to come through. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Bleak used to come through. That's right. Me and True Life been up there mad talks. True Life, my brother. Yo, True is the realest. I love True Life, man. True don't smoke no weed
Starting point is 00:51:43 and be in the middle of the fucking tornado like this. Yo, y'all bugging. Right. Sounds like me. We spent a lot. The hood lab was so great. I mean, I'm looking at you.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Like if I ain't been there. Nah, you've been there. You've been there. Classic nights, too. Tigger was there. Yeah, and K-Slay and Mariah. You was there with Mariah? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:03 I had Mariah sitting on the crate, my nigga. You lying. You want me to break down the story? Just whistle and I'll break down the story, my nigga. Break that down, man. Hold on, come on. Because Mariah don't even walk. She's slow.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Now, here's the crazy shit. This is like our fucking first week, right, of opening the studio. I was paying $7,500, my nigga. And this is not my mortgage. It's not my cars. It's not my nigga. And this is not my mortgage. It's not my cars. It's not my apartment. This is just a place that I got tired of paying record labels.
Starting point is 00:52:31 So I was like, fuck it. So I think I started out $7,500 or $8,500. By the time I left the hood lab, I stayed there for three years. I think I was paying $95,000 or maybe $10,000. This is just my size shit. So anyway, we hit Dame. We is just my size shit. So, anyway, we hit Dame.
Starting point is 00:52:47 We hit a couple of people. It was like, yo, just come to the office. You know what I'm saying? We got no furniture. We don't think nobody's actually going to come. So, Mariah's like, I live down the street. Like, she's on 29th.
Starting point is 00:52:59 We're on 31st. So, we like, Dame's like, yo, I'm going to bring Mariah through. I'm like, shut up. Like, all right, I'm surprised if you come through. So, like, Dame like, yo, I'm going to bring Mariah through. I'm like, shut up. Like, alright, I'm surprised if you come through. So they come upstairs. They got the men in black security. You know the
Starting point is 00:53:11 men in black, I need one of their pieces immediately. So Dame goes to, Dame goes, yo, yo, Norby, this guy don't know who you are. You're a street nigga. Tell him you don't need no security. I'm looking at Dame like, why would I tell Mariah? She don't need, she's cool.
Starting point is 00:53:29 But he's like, but tell the security that. I said, I'll tell Mariah that. I'm not going to tell the dude. So security's like, you're Nori. He's a dickhead. But if you want us to wait outside, I said, I guess. So now Mariah's chilling. Drinking.
Starting point is 00:53:44 All my niggas is on Mariah. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. She's walking around the studio, 15 niggas is like, I got her, son. Like, we're walking. Like, her security ain't here. We her security, you know. Watch out.
Starting point is 00:53:59 We got her. I'm like, yo, my nigga. That's my people. She here to see me. So Mariah goes to me. She goes, goes oh I'll smoke but I only do um shotguns that's my word I never blew a shotgun in my life until that day that's right How you doing? How you doing? Here, look. Come here. Come here. I got it. I'm blowing shotguns.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Niggas is looking at me like, yeah, this is a, I'm like, yeah, this is a groupie moment. I am in. This is Mariah. Nobody can't judge me. So, she's chilling, and then all of a sudden, I remember they said that she's a wino like me. When I say wino, I don't mean it in a bad way. Y'all niggas used to sweat pinot gris.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Yo, tell them. Let me tell them. So I asked Mariah, I said, yo, you drink wine? She said, what? She jumped up. Yo, my nigga, she drank all the bottles of pinot gris, yo, with me in the studio and sat on a crate. At that moment, I could have died.
Starting point is 00:55:03 I would have been satisfied. Satisfied. I had completed my goal. Do you remember when we was in London? This was some real racist shit. This was some real racist shit. We in the hotel. We order wine and chicken.
Starting point is 00:55:19 And the nigga said, the nigga said, there's no more wine and chicken. Yo. Niggas ate all the chicken, drank all the wine out the hotel. I was like, this is racist, but it's true. There's no more wine and chicken. I've been through a lot of incidents like that.
Starting point is 00:55:39 I remember my first time going to Greece. I'm in the hotel watching. Listen, hold on, time out. Leek is very rich. He has friends who owns Great Adventures. Oh, yeah. Shout out my nigga Sniper down there in Greece. In Greece.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I don't even know nobody in Greece. Let's get into your Greece story. Yo, listen. First time my man Sniper brings me out there in Greece. Now, this is the rich guy, Sniper. Yeah, my man Sniper. Let's make some noise for Sniper. Come on.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Let me break down. Let's make some noise for Sniper. Let's break down. Well, Sniper, book me a show. I Sniper. Come on. Let's make some noise for Sniper. Let's break down. Well, Sniper, book me a show. I don't even know he books shows, but book me a show. I want to go to Greece. Let's book down. Let's break down Snipes, though.
Starting point is 00:56:12 This is my nigga. First of all, these niggas drive white cars in the sunlight, right? When the sun go down, they change it all to black. Oh, shit. So they don't even drive the same cars all day. Let's change that up. They own a great adventure. They own every hotel.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Now, is it actually a great adventure, or is it their version? Yeah, just the water park. Just the water park up. They own a Great Adventure. They own every hotel. Now, is it actually a Great Adventure or is it their version? Yeah, just the water park. Just the water park side. In Greece, in Greece. No roller coasters. It's all water parks.
Starting point is 00:56:30 But it is Great Adventure. Yeah. And they own the water park side. It's called, I forgot the name of it, but it's like the water park at Great Adventure. Same exact shit,
Starting point is 00:56:37 about 16, 20. I need to know niggas like this. 20 fucking water rides. My life don't make sense right now. I'm disappointed. I don't know one nigga that owns a Great Adventure. My wife just said that's the best vacation she ever had.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Let's pick a bleak wife. Let's pick a bleak wife. Come on, man. Come on. She know. She know. So, like, so listen. First time we out there, we in the hotel.
Starting point is 00:56:57 My nigga, they playing 9-11 back to back to back. Okay. To where I had to go to the front desk and tell a homie, yo, my nigga, I'm from New York. I seen this shit happen. Turn that shit off, man. You trying to tell me something?
Starting point is 00:57:14 So he like, no, no. We just know you from America. We thought you would like this. Oh, shit. Where the fuck I'm at? Word. So, but my nigga, grease is another level, my G. Look like you want some rosé, though.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Nah, nah, nah. Look like that douce is kind of harsh. Rosé is, nah. I'm going to try a douce one day. It's not today, though. But is it bad if I smell it? Nah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:41 That's that official, my nigga. You wake up in Flatbush and not know how you got there. It's that gas right here, my G. Nostrand Avenue. It's that gas right there. With no drawers on. You're like, yo, what happened? I'm in Nostrand Avenue just for no reason.
Starting point is 00:57:57 It's that VSOP, baby. Let's get back to Grease, the guy. The Grease guy is rich. He's stupid. It's beyond, my G. Like, you got to go with me, man. I go every year for my birthday. I took my man Debo out there. Debo, what up, my nigga?
Starting point is 00:58:11 Shout out my nigga's warehouse music group. Warehouse music group. You know what I mean? That's the studio that he never invited me to? That's the label. That's the studio. That's the management company. That's the security company.
Starting point is 00:58:22 That's the realty company. That's the gas station. That's the grocery store. Debo my brother, but sometimes Debo be hitting me with the industry shit. Come to the studio. Stop Debo, you got my number my nigga. Come on my nigga. I love all my Lower East Side
Starting point is 00:58:38 niggas, they know that. Those niggas is the realest, officious nigga. So this Grease nigga, he owns the actual... They own about eight clubs, every hotel. The niggas is the realest, officious nigga. So this Grease nigga, he owns the actual Grease. Listen, hold on. They own about eight clubs, every hotel. So if Donald Trump become president, is that where we're moving to?
Starting point is 00:58:52 Yeah, I'm moving straight to Iron Apple. I'm out. I'm out. So I have to visit there now. Yeah, don't worry. You good. So I got to scope out my condo or whatever I'm going to do. Nah, he'll buy it.
Starting point is 00:59:02 That's my nigga. I'm going to tell you something. Tell him he managed me. That's the new rock nation. I'm going to tell you all some ill shit, right? Grease look at it as disrespect if somebody invites you. So say like he called me, yo, Bleak, come down. I want you to chill for your birthday with me.
Starting point is 00:59:15 And he invited me. Now, if I go to the store and spend money, he ready to shoot the whole store. Like, why did y'all take his money? You know he out here with me. I told you the people in Dubai do that. That's disrespect. You know he a guest. He don't spend money.
Starting point is 00:59:29 So when you get out there, all you need is a flight. My nigga, you got everything. Everything is good. I learned my lesson. I went to Dubai and I tried to buy a pack of bogeys
Starting point is 00:59:36 and a dude had the dude with me that don't speak English, just a security nigga. He was like, no. And I was like, yo, I can't buy my own cigarettes? I'm a grown ass man. It's a bad habit.
Starting point is 00:59:47 I might be killing myself. I don't want y'all to help me. Let it be on me. You know what I'm saying? That guest shit is serious over there. And I bought my mom's, like, you know, the coiffure? That's like the biggest thing. It was in gold plated.
Starting point is 01:00:00 So I snuck off to buy that shit. And this dude was just behind me. No! And I was like, alright, go ahead man It's 700 You should have tested it with something more expensive It's for my mom, my nigga I don't want a nigga to buy a present for my mom
Starting point is 01:00:12 I'm telling you it's different man But in Greece Anybody man, I just give you the opportunity to travel the world Get out there and see what's out there man Cause the world is beautiful man I found out where Victoria's secret import all they models from i found the plant where they growing them it's in finland helsinki i've been in helsinki you already know i um i've been to helsinki and um they all had bald heads nah white people were
Starting point is 01:00:37 bought at the cnn show i thought i was going to die nah you went to the wrong side of helsinki yeah no that's just no it was poland I'm buggered. That was Poland. We got in the hit and running all that in Helsinki. You kidding me? I stopped in Helsinki on my way to Poland. You're right. Helsinki is lit. You kidding me? Yeah, no, Helsinki is straight out. I had the best vegetarian meal in my life
Starting point is 01:00:58 in Helsinki. I love overseas, man. I had Mexican vegetarian food in Helsinki. In Helsinki? This is a fact. Next trip, Chile. I had Mexican vegetarian food in Helsinki, Finland. This is a fact. Next trip, Chile. You going right, Lizzy? Chile. We going to Chile.
Starting point is 01:01:14 So what's the next move for you? Like, are you going to... Me and you had an interesting conversation off the mic. Uh-huh. And I said to you, I was... How you calling it? Confiding in you. I was breaking... I said, yo, I don't even want to lay a verse no more.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I don't really even want to perform. I feel you, my G. And that's what you said. I feel you. You feel like. It ain't that you feel like that. It's just that it's that real, my nigga. Like you said, you 38, my nigga.
Starting point is 01:01:40 I'm 38. What are we supposed to be, the 40-year-old rappers trying to get back to where we once was? Yeah, word. We supposed to be in the club, 40 to get back To where we once was Like we supposed to be In the club 40 goons Slam on the hip still 40 years old
Starting point is 01:01:49 Trying to talk about Y'all trying to get it Popping my nigga We look like idiots But how you Cause this is the thing I miss as an artist As an artist
Starting point is 01:01:57 It's an addiction When you drop an album Like you know that That rush And this is what The podcast has done for me That's right I can still have that rush Every week But but I don't got to go in.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Like, people are hitting me for verses. You know, I'll do a promo run. Yeah, I don't want to do it. I don't want to be signing kids' cookies. You know what I'm saying? No, I love that part. The pictures, the meetings. No, I like that, but I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:02:19 The grind of it. I can't do it. I don't like it no more. Yeah, I can't. The chitlin' serve. You kidding me? We just said that. We just talked about it. Last episode, the chitlin' serve. They don't like it no more. The Chitlin' Circus. You kidding me? We just said that. Last episode. They don't want to smell a Chitlin'. The Chitlin' Circus is
Starting point is 01:02:32 real. That's where you got it wrong. I got the company. We got Warehouse Music Group. I got a lot of artists. We got Caitlyn, young female from out here in Miami. Shout out Miami. Shout out Caitlyn. We got the homie from Barbados. We got my man Vito.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Wait, you got artists from Barbados? Yeah, we got the artists from Barbados. Just make some noise for me. Shout out to the Ben Ritz. You don't really have an artist from Barbados. Shout out my man Shane Free from out there, Barbados. You know we got my man Ben Vito in Brooklyn. When we making a major move, shout out my homie Manolo Rose.
Starting point is 01:03:03 We trying to put something together with the homie right now. Get him a nice situation. That's hot. And we just working, man. So Manolo Rose isn't with French? Yeah, I think he managed by him or whatever. Oh, okay. So, you know, we just trying to, I'm trying to see the new generation do it.
Starting point is 01:03:18 I'm not trying to be one of these, the old generation trying to hang with the new generation. Like, let these young niggas live. You feel me? The niggas do their thing. We had our time, man, I feel like. I do music as a hobby for fun. If it work, it work. But don't think I'm going to be out here like,
Starting point is 01:03:34 yeah, album coming out in two months. Right. So what do you do to fulfill that feeling? Because as an artist, I don't give a fuck what me or you say. If we walk in a studio and we hear that knock. You want to spit. I ain't going to lie. I can't get that out of me.
Starting point is 01:03:52 So, go ahead. What I do, I do sing, my nigga. Remember, I'm in the club every week. You know what I mean? I'm still mingling with the DJs. So, when was the last time you've been in the studio? Shit, I was in the studio before I came down here. Shout out to Homie Reefer.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Production. Got the studio in Jersey. Manolo was out there working with a new producer. So, you know, I was in the studio fucking with him. And he just laid the monster. I ain't talking about a person pay you for a feature. I'm talking about just you on your own. We got the studio out here.
Starting point is 01:04:21 So you are working on something. We working on the studio right now. It's under construction. We remodeling it, you know, we... So you are working on something. We working on the studio right now. It's under construction. We remodeling it, you know, trying to bring it up to date, making it more fresher. What's the name of the studio? Warehouse 305.
Starting point is 01:04:32 I told you everything, man. Even the grocery store, Warehouse 305. That's what's up. When I sell lobsters, Warehouse 305 lobster. Mmm. That's hard. So what else ventures you want to get into? I want to do the movies, man.
Starting point is 01:04:44 I want to do cartoon, really. Because you know why I want to do the movies, man. I want to do cartoon, really. Because you know why I want to do a cartoon? Because you get to say what the fuck you want to say, man. Because if it's a person, you got people with picket signs outside protesting. Like adult swim shit? They don't say shit about the Simpsons. Family guy. Them niggas talk about religion, everything.
Starting point is 01:05:01 They say all kinds of shit. They don't say nothing. But let that be somebody like a human on TV saying that shit. Your ass is finished. Now, was Baseline uncomfortable when all the artists was there? Never. Never? I loved Baseline, and that's what I want to create for the artists we deal with now.
Starting point is 01:05:20 That's why we're building our own studio, so everybody can hang in and it feel like a home. Right. And compete. That's exactly what it creates, competition. Remember, we going baseline. It was only two studios. So you would have to wait in the front for your turn.
Starting point is 01:05:35 You got Jay in one room. Or the lounge, right? Or the lounge. You got Jay in one room working on his shit. Yeah, nobody can't work while he working. You have Beams in the other room working on his shit. Then when they finish, I'm working on something, Free working on something, Dick Set working on something. Then you got Kanye, Just Blaze in there producing.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Like every given moment, it was a monster being made. So it's like, you can't come in here and do no whack shit. Now let's keep it real. Did you see the genius in Kanye early? Let's keep it real. Yeah. I don't think nobody kind of did. Yo, listen.
Starting point is 01:06:06 I remember when- I had Kanye wait outside my studio for two hours. Yo, my nigga. Let me tell you how I met Kanye. I ain't see it. Let me tell you how I met Kanye and Just Blaze. I met Kanye, Just Blaze, and Guru all on the same day. What?
Starting point is 01:06:17 Because I had an engineer, right? He called out sick. So, you know, L'Oreal back then used to manage all the engineers. She managed all the engineers. So, you know, my manager back then, B-Hai, he hit her. Like, yo, Bleak need an engineer. So she like, yo, I got a new engineer named Guru. I'm like, do we smoke weed?
Starting point is 01:06:33 She like, yeah. I'm like, send them. So, Guru come through. I'm like, my nigga, I just rolled up. Huh, let's get busy. So we land. So, you know, after a while, I did a joint. I'm like, yo, I need some beats.
Starting point is 01:06:44 So Beans come. Like, yo, we need some beats. He like, a joint I'm like yo I need some beats So Beans come like Yo we need some beats He like yo I'ma call These two producers Just Blaze and Kanye walking This is everything Beans called them? No Guru called them
Starting point is 01:06:54 So listen We in the studio with them that day I picked like six beats For Just Blaze For the Understanding album Beans picked like four From Kanye for the truth Cause he did that beat, the truth.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Every damn step in the booth. He did that right there, that same day. Jay came that night, heard the records we did, and we started the Dynasty album that week. Wow. God damn it. Let's make some noise for him.
Starting point is 01:07:18 The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves. This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who did make it. I'm J.R. Martinez.
Starting point is 01:07:41 I'm a U.S. Army veteran myself. And I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Honor Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart Podcast. From Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the MeatEater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.
Starting point is 01:08:38 This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best-selling author and meat-eater founder Stephen Rinella. I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say, when cave people were here. And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th, where we'll delve into stories of the West and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 01:09:23 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 01:10:07 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 01:10:37 I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
Starting point is 01:10:48 We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King,
Starting point is 01:10:59 John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Sh Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown.
Starting point is 01:11:09 We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter
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Starting point is 01:11:50 You saw the genius in Kanye from the moment. Not from that day. But as a producer, you believed him. But as an artist, you wasn't fucking with him. He had a CD, right, with beats on it. You don't usually get a CD from a producer with beats on it. He gave you 10 beats, you probably get two get two joints my nigga that beat CD kind of made
Starting point is 01:12:08 everybody career at the at the label everybody had a joint from yay off that CD Wow this is a story that's crazy I'm not gonna lie I had a session in LA and Martin Moore's big him up shut up Moore was like, yo, this producer, he doing mad Rockefeller shit. And I looked at the nigga. I was like, no, he not. I kid you not. Like, you know, I was like, no, he not. And I mean, this is early, early, early, early Kanye.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I don't even think he had a polo shirt at this time. Like, this is early, early. So, I mean, we in L.A. You know how we do in L.A. We got guns. We got. And we was is early, early. So, I mean, we in L.A. You know how we do in L.A. We got guns. We got... And we was against security everywhere else but L.A. We was...
Starting point is 01:12:51 In L.A., we was securityed up. Fucked that. Like, it was real. So, the nigga finally came in the studio. And he was like, it was disrespectful y'all had us, had me waiting two hours. And we looked at the nigga. He said, but I know y'all fucked me up. He was dolo.
Starting point is 01:13:09 I know y'all fucked me up. Because he said it with mad bass in his voice. The niggas was like, what? Like, yo, it was like the Sauce Awards where I brought the worst of the worst people with me because niggas was getting robbed at the Sauce Awards. And I was like, that's not going to happen to us. Let's make some noise. That's right.
Starting point is 01:13:24 Make some noise. That's right, make some noise. I said, I said, niggas running, I said, nigga, some shit. Some Sauce Award, but robbed niggas like the Crips at the Sauce Awards. And everything that went down was cool with me as long as I came back with my jewelry. You feel me? I'm going to tell you a story that I've never told you. Oh, man. He about to kill it.
Starting point is 01:13:47 Yeah, listen. Listen, I hope you don't Jadakiss me. Turn the mic on. Jadakiss killed me on my show. Yeah, it just came to my mind. Nah. Yo, listen. This is the first one.
Starting point is 01:13:56 This is just after I met this nigga. So mind you, I didn't even really know him like that to call him and be like, yo, son, chill. I just met him. So listen, the first Memorial Day, I'm in Miami. These niggas riding around on a military bus. 7,000 feet.
Starting point is 01:14:10 Let him talk. 7,000 feet. These niggas is everywhere. MU shirts. Everybody got on the MU shirt on the beach. Everybody. So listen, me and the homies, we standing in front of Lowe's. This is when they just opened the Lowe's. Ho is when they just opened the Lowe's.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Hoes took nice care of us. Had us at the Lowe's. So I'm chilling. You know Mike Geronimo was fucking with Irv Gotti. So Irv Gotti, you know, I know Mike Geronimo, he spent the corner. Like, yo, Bleak, let me holler at you. So I'm like, what up, my nigga? Like, you good, what's up?
Starting point is 01:14:43 He like, yo, Nori and them niggas riding around out here, my nigga. And I got this nigga with me and they gonna fuck him up. I need somewhere to stash him real quick. So I'm like, who? He like, yo, Tragedy Gaddafi. So I'm like, arrest the president, nigga?
Starting point is 01:14:59 I'm like, arrest the president, nigga? He like, yeah. So I'm like, fuck it, here go my key, y'all niggas go upstairs, do y'all things. So my man at the time, Murder? He like, yeah. So I'm like, fuck it. Go ahead. Hang on my key. Y'all niggas go upstairs. Do y'all things. So my man at the time, Murder, he like, man, fuck that nigga. Let them niggas hide in the room. Them niggas better get out here and get in this action. We're still with Murder.
Starting point is 01:15:13 That's my nigga. Yeah, good. Yeah, we made it. Like, word. So he like, man, fuck the man. I'm like, nah. Am I? That's Mike.
Starting point is 01:15:20 I can't let his man get washed. I don't even know trash, but that's because of Mike Geronimo. I'm a lookout. Soon as them niggas get upstairs, these niggas turn the corner on the bus 7000 D. What up, my nigga? He like, yo, you see that nigga tragedy out there? Let me know.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Yo, I had the bullhorn. Remember the bullhorn? I was like, it sounded like the police. Yo, where's tragedy at? It's hard. And I'm looking at this nigga
Starting point is 01:15:48 like, nah, I ain't seen no money. I ain't gonna fuck. Bleak told me that. One day, we was just chilling, getting drunk. Bleak was like,
Starting point is 01:15:54 you know I hid your man from you, right? I was like, what? He was like, yeah, he told me this story. And Preem was with him. I think he was out here with Preem,
Starting point is 01:16:04 which was crazy because Preem is the him. I think he was out here with Preem, which was crazy because Preem is the big super OG in Queens, but I purposely didn't bring Queens niggas for that reason. I brung Bronx niggas. And I brung all the,
Starting point is 01:16:15 you know, I remember, that's the show that I did. We brung three buses. I did that show. We had a Queens bus, we had a F-Rack bus,
Starting point is 01:16:22 and then we had a Bronx bus. So many motherfuckers got arrested that weekend. That shit was crazy. You know what's so beautiful about that time was my niggas was coming out here getting arrested, and you could still bail the people out. Oh, straight up. Like, I bailed about five people out. I had to bail like 10 of y'all motherfuckers out. Let me just tell you something.
Starting point is 01:16:39 I could never bail nobody out again. The government, if I ever try to bail somebody out, the government's going to be like, you going to really try us one more time? Word up. Because everybody ran on my bail. I have never, you know how you bail somebody out?
Starting point is 01:16:53 You don't get your money back? I have never, in like 20 years, I've never got a bail back. Neither have I. Because they actually went on a run. Like, this is fucked up.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Even if niggas went to jail, I still ain't get the money. They should went back to the fair and they bust that up. That's a fact. Like, this is fucked up. Even if niggas went to jail, I still ain't get the money. I should went back to the fam. They bust that up. That's a fact. So Biggs just came home. Yeah. His energy was good.
Starting point is 01:17:11 Yeah, yeah. I fucked with Biggs. Biggs always been the quiet OG. Took my first thotty on the tour. So it's cool. That was weird. It was weird how he ended it. That nigga Biggs, man.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Yo, no. I remember, man. Like, being, like, so excited. Like, yo, I got a chick ready to go to the hotel. I couldn't fucking believe it. I think of, like, who? I show up, he took her. Wait, he took her from you? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Make some noise for Biggs. Teach him your lesson. Teach him your lesson. That's why you married now because you talking with the wrong people god damn it god damn it
Starting point is 01:17:48 that's right that nigga took her I was like this motherfucker I didn't know I was young I didn't know what was up
Starting point is 01:17:54 let me just tell you I'll tell you one night right and niggas from my hood are going to get mad but it was my man Wap and it was my man
Starting point is 01:18:01 I forget who Wap was with but they had some bad chicks, right? This is Club S.O.S. I'm old. S.O.S. And they had these chicks, right?
Starting point is 01:18:14 So, you know, my hood. We think these niggas is big niggas. So, Hov and Biggie Smalls walks to S.O.S. At that moment, I knew their chicks was gone. But I had to lay it out for them to play it out. So I see these niggas, and Hov and Biggs took my man's girls.
Starting point is 01:18:38 It was like an honor. I was like, you're supposed to be honored. This is pre-Copona Noriega. We just coming up. They came over, gave us fives. But it's like if Big and Jay-Z take your girls, you're supposed to be like, fuck it. Nah, you outchoked.
Starting point is 01:18:57 But I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. That flyer, remember I sent you a flyer? Yep, yep. Well, I sent you a flyer. That was our first or second show. It was with Jay-Z, right? It was crazy.
Starting point is 01:19:09 I'm not sure if you was there. I'm not sure. Do you remember? Akineli was on the show. Yeah, you was there. You was there. Oh, she used to be on the show, too. And it was a chick from my hood named...
Starting point is 01:19:18 And she didn't give nobody no ass from the hood. And she left for Hov that night. Be Beyonce! Be Beyonce! I just knew right from left for Hov that night. Pre-Beyonce. Pre-Beyonce. I just knew right from there. Hov is a different dude. He's like a superhero without a cape that people hasn't recognized yet. So this is crazy.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Let's make some noise for Hov and them fucking everything. Thank you. Best of the day. Shout out Al Canelli, man. Al Canelli. I tried to get him To pull up Al Canelli put the first Thotties on the map
Starting point is 01:19:48 Yo listen Remember I was 15 When put it in your mouth Came out So being in the club Hearing bitches talk See what Where y'all come
Starting point is 01:19:57 I'm right here Right I'm right here After the show You fucking kidding me Y'all like this shit I He was on that shit
Starting point is 01:20:04 He was on that shit. He was on that shit. Now let me tell you, I'm going to be honest. I knew Akineli was a different type of freak. Akineli brought me on my first tour. So when I became platinum, I hit number one. The first thing I wanted to do was repay that favor.
Starting point is 01:20:20 That's right. So I brought Akineli on the tour. Akineli was doing an album called Benny Hill at the time. So I brought Akineli on the tour. Akineli was doing an album called Benny Hill at the time. Yep, yep. So I thought that was like, I got Melvin Flint from that. I was like, Benny Hill, that was crazy. So we're in the back of the tour, but I've never really been an official
Starting point is 01:20:35 freak. I have had freak days. But I'm like, I am like a one-man girl. Like, you know what I'm saying saying I love too hard But So we're in the back Of the tour bus
Starting point is 01:20:47 We got some What did you call them Thotties Thotties Okay We're nicknaming that now So we got thotties And we're all back there
Starting point is 01:20:56 And we're doing it And Akineli did the craziest Shit I've ever seen in life He opened up his shirt And started rubbing his own I've never seen this In my life he opened up his shirt and started rubbing his own nipples. I have never seen this in my life. This nigga was like, I swear.
Starting point is 01:21:13 You lying, you lying. You know, cause that don't do nothing for me. I could rub my nipples. What the fuck? What the fuck does that do for me? Like, and he was dead serious. He was like, yeah. This nigga was about to lock for me.
Starting point is 01:21:31 This is not no lock frack shit, baby. I'm looking at him like, yo, stop. Stop. He just sitting there rubbing his nipples. At that moment, I said, this nigga's a freak. He's a different type. He's a different type. He's not like us. He's different, my nigga.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Him over in the strip club makes total sense. I seen Benny Hill do that. Rub his nipples. I've never seen a grown ass man in the middle of 12 bars. Did he get into a porn game too? I don't think he made porn,
Starting point is 01:22:04 but he tried to slosh it. He was into the game though. Listen, any nigga that rubs his nipples, he's liable to do anything. He's different. He's dangerous in a different way. Especially the way you was doing it right now. No, I mean, in my mind, that's how it happened. That's just scary.
Starting point is 01:22:22 You got into character and shit. Let's keep in mind, I was the first nigga from left rack to ever get on on some MC shit. I never met Nas, seen Nas, or heard of Nas until I seen him with Akineli. Right, right. So this is still a guard to me. I didn't want to know he was that much of a freak. You rub your nipples. Like, honestly, like, rub your nipples right now.
Starting point is 01:22:48 What the fuck is it? Of course. But what does it do for you? Like, it does nothing for me. So if it does something for you, you sensitive in places. You're getting into this. You're getting into this. You're making it a joke.
Starting point is 01:23:01 I'm just kidding. You made it a joke. I'm not trying to make it a joke. Go ahead. Go ahead, man. He can sit and sit. Yeah. I can now even know he's my brother.
Starting point is 01:23:16 But I can hold a lot of shows in the beginning. OC used to be at the crib with us. We used to be on that Grizz us. OC. Yeah, man. We used to be on that Grizz 9, man. Or Earl. Hope was different, man. Now, what happened between Jazz?
Starting point is 01:23:31 What was that about? Jazz was... I don't know. You know, Jazz, they older. So I never was in the middle of that. Jazz was a cool nigga. As far as that, I never really got into what happened. I just wanted to make sure it ain't happen to me.
Starting point is 01:23:46 You feel me? Like, what they did, all right, cool. I ain't doing that. Wow. Wow. Welcome to Play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play.it.
Starting point is 01:24:08 We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. Now, how many people did you came along with and that, you know? Because, see, one thing about hip-hop, what I tell people all the time, especially artists, I say, if you want to choose between a hip hop game and a hustling game, I say pick the hustling game because you're going to get that money fast. That's right. But if you want to live in hip hop forever, this is a five year, two, three, four, five years. You might not even be getting bread. You know what I'm saying? You just got to grind. You got to be
Starting point is 01:24:47 everywhere at all times. So how do you feel about that? You got to go where the opportunities present themselves, man. A lot of people get a deal and think they're successful just because you signed the deal. But at the end of the day, the task just
Starting point is 01:25:03 began. You know what I mean? As an artist, your journey don't begin until you signed the deal. But at the end of the day, the task just began. You know what I mean? As an artist, your journey don't begin until you get the deal. Gotta recoup that bank loan. That's what I'm saying. It's just like a guy who takes a business loan to open up a store and he goes to the bank. But just the industry charge a lot more interest.
Starting point is 01:25:20 Their interest rate is ridiculous. And a lot more scumbags to deal with. A lot. Because it's a take business. It with Yes A lot Because this is It's a take me It's a take business It's not a give me business It's a hip hop So you know what I mean For artists to survive
Starting point is 01:25:31 You got to constantly Stay relevant Like you got to You got to stay In the public eye Stay on social media Your Snapchat Got to be lit
Starting point is 01:25:40 Your filter Got to be on fire Now who's one of the artists That came through Through to y'all That you could have probably signed, but you brung it to the office and people ain't see your vision? Big Crit.
Starting point is 01:25:50 Because I heard you brung Little Shit. Wait, Big Crit? Yeah, I brung Big Crit up there. I found him on MySpace. Me and my man Agent. You know, shout out my G, Agent. Yeah, we found him on MySpace. I brung him up to y'all.
Starting point is 01:26:04 I also heard you brung Lil Wayne. I heard you was the guy that said Lil Wayne is the next dude. We should sign him. Nah, we found him on MySpace. I brung him up to Young. I also heard you brung Lil Wayne. I heard you was the guy that said Lil Wayne is the next dude. We should sign him. Nah, not Weezy. Weezy been on. No, I'm talking about like, you know, like when he was coming up. Yeah, when he was talking about leaving cash money and all that. And he was mixtape Weezy. I heard that was you. Yeah, yeah. I told niggas about him, but
Starting point is 01:26:20 like, you know, Ross, I put niggas on the Rolls. I heard that too. Big Crit. Fucking, um... Jeezy? Was Jeezy in on that? Nah, just T.I. Like, but you know, Ross, I put niggas on the road. I heard that too. Big Crit, fucking... Jeezy? Was Jeezy in on that? Nah, just T.I. But you know, Jay ain't know about T.I. back then. Now, over T.I., man, cool.
Starting point is 01:26:33 All right. Let's make some noise for Big Fleek right now. You know what I mean? I put a lot of people on it. So I just try to show love. If you got the real talent and it's real, I'm going to put you in that position. It's just like Manolo. I know Manolo my whole life. His brother, me and his brother
Starting point is 01:26:50 grew up together. Manolo's really from Marcy. That's for real. Me and his brother. It's cousins. We all fucked with each other. I'm older than his brother. He a little younger than me, but we all grew up together. To see Manolo come up and doing this thing, my first thing was to reach out to him. Yo, my nigga, anything I can do for
Starting point is 01:27:05 you, we're going to make it happen for you. Now, Bleak, you're a real nigga. Let me just, before because I got two more questions. But before we go any further, Bleak, you never changed on me. Not one. That's real shit, though. You can't change because like, I look at a lot of people
Starting point is 01:27:22 who change. And I don't change on you, I just get a little crazy. Nah, you're my nigga. But this industry is different. Now, when I tell you, I'm going to take you back who change. And I don't change on you. I just get a little crazy. All right. You're my nigga. All right. Go ahead. This industry is different. Now, I'm going to take you back to the beginning when I said I wasn't prepared. Now, think about it. A lot of artists go through some shit. They make demos.
Starting point is 01:27:33 They try to get on. Niggas shit on them. They stand outside of studios for two hours for a nigga to give them a break. So, they have already set in their mind, when I make it, I'm going to shit on these niggas. All right. You feel me? So mind you I never had that I never made a demo tape I never ran down on a nigga
Starting point is 01:27:51 Yo I rap Listen to my record I never knew my man From the fifth floor Was gonna be the guard MC I just was rolling You know what I mean This shit just happened
Starting point is 01:28:00 So how can I act funny To a nigga To something that was given to me That's why I try to give back, my nigga. So now, we asked everybody who was your favorite CEO. And I was about to say,
Starting point is 01:28:13 I was going to eliminate somebody. I can't ask bias, man. But it's okay. We bias on this. Hov is the best CEO. Let's make some noise for Hov, goddamn it. Come on. You know, man, I had deals on the table before I signed with Rockefeller. Hov is the best Let's make some noise For Hov then God damn it Come on I know man I had deals on the table
Starting point is 01:28:27 Before I signed with Rockefeller I had a bunch of deals I remember my manager Wanted to fucking Beat the shit out of me They wanted to beat me up For staying with Rockefeller Yeah
Starting point is 01:28:35 Cause we Jay didn't even have Rockefeller yet I heard you didn't even Have a contract Nothing Let's make some noise For Bleak
Starting point is 01:28:42 Doing drug dealer moves In their legal business You can only do that with another drug dealer another they did that to me they never gave me a contract I know contract come with advance like they were so rich at the time I said so um so your famous he always hope that's a beautiful thing contract? Give me another chance. I rocked it brown. So, your favorite CEO was Hov. That's a beautiful thing because we had Jadakiss, The Locks, and all them
Starting point is 01:29:13 CEOs that they have, and they said D and Y. So, this is beautiful that you said. And it's biased, but I gotta put We could be biased here. I gotta put J and Dame up there, though. You gotta put Dame up there, too. Now, make some noise. You got to give credit to Dame for recording that. Yeah, you got to put Dame up there.
Starting point is 01:29:28 Dame. Dame is a proper monster. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. You're going to stop me from being honest. I'm going to be honest. One of the worst meetings I ever had in my life. The video?
Starting point is 01:29:39 Huh? Was it the video? Yes. Who's blowing it up? You, Ed? It's one of the worst meetings I've ever had in my life. But it's a great meeting. I got the number one record with the Spanish record, right?
Starting point is 01:29:52 Oye Mi Cando. Oye Mi Cando, that's right. The number one record. But mind you, Def Jam told me, throw that shit out on your own. So I threw the shit out on my own. That shit got 500 spins. The original one with Tego. Yeah, 500 spins. The n one. Yeah. 500 spins.
Starting point is 01:30:08 Them niggas was like, so what? 1100 spins. Them niggas was like, that's light. 1500 spins. They're like, you're working. 2700 spins. We see you. 3500 spins. We watching harder.,500 spins We watching harder 4,500 spins
Starting point is 01:30:28 What are you doing? 7,500 spins Them niggas was like Bring my record up here And I was like You just told me I could throw that shit out On my own
Starting point is 01:30:37 They said We never said that With a straight face to me Like this is real business With a straight face to me So Like, this is real business. With a straight face to me. So they was like, yo, look, we're going to give you such and such for the video, whatever, whatever.
Starting point is 01:30:52 So I was like, all right, cool, because I always looked at it like I sell crack, and this is, I'm selling heroin on the side. I don't really care what I make from this shit. So I'm walking into the building at Def Jam to have the meeting about my video. So Dane goes to me, he goes, yo, you're supposed
Starting point is 01:31:10 to have a meeting about your video, right? And how he knew this, I knew, I'm like, I'm not in Illuminati, especially not at that time. They just accepted my invitation. So Dane goes, yo, you're about to have that video, man. I'm like, yeah, how do you then he goes, um, yo, you about to have that video of me.
Starting point is 01:31:25 I'm like, yeah, how do you know? He's like, chill. 15 minutes. So I walk in there. And, you know, this is Fat Kevin Liles. Who is the best Kevin Liles? Fat Kevin Liles is the best Kevin Liles. Let's make some noise for Fat Kevin Liles.
Starting point is 01:31:42 He's skinny now. He's still a great guy, but Fat Kevin Louse is the best. You can get anything out of him. You ain't never lost. So I walk in the office. I have no idea, right? I walk in the office, and Kevin's like, yo, so we're going to give you $50,000. We're going to give you like $25,000 for this video.
Starting point is 01:32:01 We're going to go higher. This is still in the days where we on film. We're going to go higher. This is like, you know, this is still in the days where we're on film. We're not digital yet. So Dame walked through. Pfft. I just agreed. He was like, you want the 50? I was like, yeah, I'll take the 50
Starting point is 01:32:17 for the video. Because it's Oye Me Cano. It's a Spanish record. I'm not really crazy. Like, I just want to do it. You know what? Dame walked in. It was like pfft. I swear to really crazy. I just want to do it. Dane walked in. It was like, I swear to God, a smoke machine started. I don't think it's a smoke machine, but in my mind, a smoke machine.
Starting point is 01:32:34 He was like, what's up, fat boy? The Cav. I'm looking at myself like, what the fuck? Me and Dane, we don't talk like that. What is this going on? And he's like, yeah He's like, Kev How much you told Nori his video he should shoot?
Starting point is 01:32:52 And Kev is like That's between me and Nori And Dame is like Nori, do you mind? I'm like, not really I mean, alright, cool He's like, yo Oh, he just offered you $35,000 for your video?
Starting point is 01:33:07 And Kev is like, that's me and Nori's shit. The nigga Dame brung out the books. Yeah, you know, he always had his assistants. Show him the book. The nigga's like, yo, I had the number one record. LL had just got approved for a $550,000 video. Mariah Carey had just got approved for a $550,000 video. Mariah Carey had just got approved for a $400,000 video. Ja Rule, all the guys.
Starting point is 01:33:29 You know, all people who are actually predominantly selling more records than me. But at the time, when you got the number one record, you are number one. That's right. So then it was like, you see how these record label dudes do you? They think you don't know nothing. They're going to give you a little thirty five hundred thousand thirty five thousand dollar video so cap is like but that's what nori agreed to and i did i'm like word i did agree because i could i could have worked wonders with thirty five thousand at that time you would have pocketed ten but uh maybe i don't know i'm
Starting point is 01:34:01 not sure i would have put it all on film. That's how they say it. Put it all on film. But Dame single handedly although he was an asshole about it like he showed them the numbers. How could you approve LL for this video? How could you? And Diss Norrie. I ain't know no better. And that did tell me a lesson because
Starting point is 01:34:20 when Rockefeller niggas was rocking, Ho was the the big dude, but then Dane was the dude taking care of the audience. The business, that's right. Although he did it absolutely wrong. 100%.
Starting point is 01:34:35 But his heart was in the right place. That's right. His heart was in the right place. Because he helped me out of a major jam. That's why Dane, I always got a special bond with that nigga behind that, man. I almost signed a bad management deal. Niggas trying to take 50%.
Starting point is 01:34:46 That was in the beginning. I heard about this. Niggas trying to take 50% of everything. Just before you signed a rock and roll. Yep. They think that was like, my nigga, get you a lawyer. So I'm like, yeah, they got me this lawyer. And you know who the lawyer was?
Starting point is 01:34:59 Combat Jack. Combat Jack jerked me. Combat Jack jerked me. He probably jerked you too, please. I ain't never signed it. I never signed the deal. Oh, the lawyer that was the foul nigga was Combat Jack. Let's make some noise for Combat Jack not only being foul to me.
Starting point is 01:35:14 Not only being foul to me, he's a foul nigga. He hates him, right? He hates him, right? I think so. Look, my best friend is Haitian. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. We're going to throw voodoo on Combat. Yeah yeah but i never signed it so dame seen it he was like yo
Starting point is 01:35:29 you bugging i'm gonna get you a better lawyer get you a situation get you right and he helped me out so better than combat jack so dame knew combat was a piece of for a long time i want to say that my mom said it you got a bad rep come back is a I mean? Come back. Come back as my nigga. That's all. Reggie Oseas. Reggie Oseas. They almost got a nigga in that motherfucker. What's his name? Reggie Oseas at that time. It wasn't Come Back Jack.
Starting point is 01:35:50 That's right. He's the weird Penny Lopez. He's the weird Penny Lopez. He's my friend. He's my friend now. We're podcast friends. But nothing would change the fact that he jerked me my very first deal. Well, you know, that's the industry for that, man.
Starting point is 01:36:03 You don't know? No, listen. Listen, Come Back Jack. Listen, this is how you know I ain't going to lie. You know, that's the industry for that money. They say if you don't know. No, listen. Listen, Combat Jack. Listen, this is how you know I'm coming from selling crack. All right? This is how I knew the deal was wrong. They paid Combat Jack $5,000. They paid Tragedy $5,000.
Starting point is 01:36:18 Reggie O'Sears $5,000. They paid Tragedy $5,000. They paid Capone $5,000. And they paid Norrie thousand they paid capone five thousand and they paid nori five thousand but what fucked up is i got it in cash i wasn't the smartest nigga in the world but i knew this was wrong that's right from that moment i was like what i got paid like i'm on a block niggas gave me an envelope with slime on it. It said Nori, but in my mind, I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, I was trying to kill Combat Jack for at least two years.
Starting point is 01:36:50 I was having chicks. I'm going to be honest. This is real shit. I was having chicks, messing with him, saying, yo, where's he at? Just, you know, slip up. It wasn't Molly back then, but in my mind, it was Molly. That's right. Slip of ecstasy in his joint, let him go to sleep, and then call me.
Starting point is 01:37:07 It never happened. Combat Jack, you're lucky. I got love for you now. I grew up and I'm elder. So Combat Jack, you're cool, but your podcast doesn't exist. Calm. Relax. You want to edit this out? No, we're not.
Starting point is 01:37:22 We're going to have Combat Jack on the show. No, we're going to have Combat Jack on the show. No, we're going to have Combat Jack on the show. Listen, for all intents and purposes, you know, we're playing around with real situations. Right, right. Like, big up to my boy, Spiff TV. Great sport about it. He heard us crack jokes on him.
Starting point is 01:37:39 Everybody around us was like, yo, please don't put that out. Spiff laughed at it. He called me. He wants to be on the show. Combat, you should laugh. He called me. He wants to be on the show. Calm back. You should laugh at it, and you should want to be on the show. You know I'm going to ask you these questions. Bleak, we... Fuck all that,
Starting point is 01:37:52 my nigga. It's the industry. You got skeletons. Get the fuck out the game, right? That's just it. Don't get in this game with them fucking skeletons, man. We going to pull them shits out. Right. Yeah, somebody has to. What would you want for Bleak to end
Starting point is 01:38:09 as a rapper? You gotta do one more album? Is it that? I gotta put my team on, man. That's my dream. I gotta show my niggas what hoes show me, man. The experiences that I was gracious to be blessed with hoes show me, man. The experiences that... Salud, man....that I was, you know,
Starting point is 01:38:25 gracious to be blessed with. Salud. That's it, man. That's my shit. That's what it's about right there. They say you... They say they can only measure your greatness
Starting point is 01:38:32 by how you made somebody else great. That's right. And I... And that's my thing. Like, I feel like unless I'm going triple platinum,
Starting point is 01:38:42 what I'm doing there, what I'm going to do that I didn't do already, where I'm going to go, I haven't been. Right. What crowd I'm going to platinum What I'm doing that What I'ma do that I didn't do already Right Where I'ma go I haven't been Right What crowd I'ma perform for That I didn't perform for
Starting point is 01:38:50 I didn't perform everywhere on this planet I didn't perform for Greece So I still got a lot to live and do I done performed Been around the planet five, six times Man, I'm thankful Like, you know what I mean? Niggas still traveling
Starting point is 01:39:01 Like This shit is a blessing, man We here from what we wrote on paper. My nigga like, Lil Lu, I heard stories. Got us sitting right here. Now, I heard you say that Drake is cheating because he's holding us. Yeah, man. You got to stop this.
Starting point is 01:39:16 You got to stop. Somebody get the word to this guy. You can't be holding. Big up to OVO at 40. Yeah, shout out. That's my man. Shout out all of them. Them my niggas. I fuck's my man But he's cheating But you cheating
Starting point is 01:39:29 Come on, Trey Songz, get in touch with me Give me some of that glow, my nigga Somebody teach me how to hold a note Niggas cheating Let me at least be somebody KRS-One got on this show And said We said, how do you feel about Drake Having a ghostwriter And KRS-One got on this show and said, and we said, how do you feel about Drake having a Ghost Rider?
Starting point is 01:39:47 And KRS-One said, that's dope. Yeah. That was crazy. I didn't think KRS-One. He said it was all right. He said that was dope. You're right. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:39:56 I always put 100 on 10. Without Ghost Riders, a lot of MCs in this game, you got to just take away. Break it down, Blake. We're trying to get this out of you. Come on, Blake. How many people you see Hov right at the first moment?
Starting point is 01:40:07 If you like Lil' Kim and Foxy, erase it. Right. If you like Puff for the family album, erase it. Right. If you like Biz Markie, erase it.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Easy. Erase it. Just take it all out your history books. And then we can call a spade a spade. You feel me? You ever ask Hov right around for you? Hell yeah. He did. He did a spade a spade. You feel me? You ever ask Hove to write a rhyme for you? Hell yeah. He did. He wrote Coming to Age.
Starting point is 01:40:28 I ain't even have input on it. Then I went to his crib. Wait, the whole album? No, the song. Oh, the song. Oh, I'm bugging, I'm bugging. Yo, Hove, I spit. Nigga like, huh, here go a piece of paper. My nigga as fast as you remember that, as fast as you be on. What? I went back to the crib, rewrote that shit. Went back up, said,
Starting point is 01:40:43 my nigga, I got it that's hard that's hard and that was it for word like a lot of people like ghost writers been in the game some people
Starting point is 01:40:51 is the artist some people is just writers like my nigga like if you 350 pounds you in the back sweating every time you breathe
Starting point is 01:41:00 but your pin game is on fire you better go to the gym and find you a little petite something That's gonna sing that for you Cause then I ain't your shit You feel me?
Starting point is 01:41:09 And that's real So every R&B singer Take them out your history books Oh no, R&B R&B, we understand that I don't care It's still a talent, man It's still right
Starting point is 01:41:21 And it's music It's harmony It's notes But Karis put it in perspective That we never really thought of it The way he said it Yeah Karis is too positive For him to say that
Starting point is 01:41:29 I was like okay That's the philosopher right The nigga said The nigga said Cause technically None of us write our rhymes And I looked at the nigga like Wait a minute
Starting point is 01:41:37 He said the divine Hold on I looked at the nigga like Wait a minute The divine And that nigga said Cause God writes all our shit. I don't think God want me to say fuck them bitches.
Starting point is 01:41:48 Maybe God does. Maybe God does. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? God got a sense of humor, but yo, Bleak, man, we want to thank you for hanging out. We appreciate you. You didn't stop me one time. You didn't say I
Starting point is 01:42:03 want to talk about that Come on, nothing And that's beautiful That's the thing about this This thing is A lot of people are hitting me They're new artists And they want to be a part of this
Starting point is 01:42:14 And the thing about it is Y'all have the game to be a part of That's right You new artists This is not the game They got to create their own lane, man I think that they should sit around And they should be fans of this show.
Starting point is 01:42:25 That's right. So, wanting to be a part of the show. Some of you guys, we could give you a horn. You know what I'm saying? But that's what greatness is. That's right. I didn't want to watch basketball. I didn't watch basketball and just want to jump on the court.
Starting point is 01:42:39 I always watched it and I studied it more. And that's what we're doing. We want to give a place that people can tell these stories. And because this is real shit. Like that Rockefeller story on that private plane has never been told. I wish people could have been there. Like even the people that was there when it woke up. I wish people could have been there just to see it.
Starting point is 01:43:01 Because even like in the Fade to Black movie, they cut my scene because it just was a lot of shit that... Let's shit on the Fade to Black people. Who cut your scene? Let's talk about that. I don't know, man. Probably in the editing room. Let's talk about them. But I was just trying to tell niggas like it was a situation where Dane was telling everybody
Starting point is 01:43:19 that they're going to retire like Jay. We all going to retire like Jay. Everybody. All of us. Everybody's not good. And I was telling niggas, no, we ain't. Even me, my nigga. Are you fucking kidding me? You telling me that
Starting point is 01:43:32 I'm going to go out like this at Madison Square Garden. Are you fucking kidding me? That ain't going to happen, my nigga. Unless God come down here, write these rhymes for me, spit this shit, and I go quadruple platinum tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:43:46 Then maybe we go out like that. But I'm telling niggas, Hov go out the way he going out because he spit that shit. He that nigga. And he worked for it. And that's it, my nigga. See, nobody don't remember y'all grind before the Buggy Eye Bins. See, y'all killed the game when Rockefeller had the Buggy Eye Bins. And the Buggy Eye Bz was the illest.
Starting point is 01:44:06 But y'all was grinding before that. I remember Lenny Yaz. Was that before my lifetime or not? Yo, in my lifetime was even, man, it was grinding. Just before that. Like, I remember we did a show in Syracuse, man. This is how you know Hova real dinka. We did a show in Syracuse.
Starting point is 01:44:23 I'm 14, Can't even drive. Nothing. No license. I still can't drive. Nothing. Right? So, you know, it's a couple niggas in the car for a guy who was with us. So, Jay, he pull over to the gas station like, yo, somebody get out and pump the gas.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Nobody wanted to get out and pump the gas because it's freezing, man. It's snowing. We in Syracuse. It's snowing like a motherfucker. So, Hov like, all right, I'm going to pump the gas. He pumps the gas. Nigga goes in the trunk, though. Don't tell nobody nothing. Comes out the trunk with his big-ass coat on.
Starting point is 01:44:54 Jumps in the car and do 200 on the highway with the windows down. Y'all niggas don't want to pump gas? Make some noise for Hoie the Brooklyn Nigga. My niggas. Oh, man. Yo, Bleak, man. I really appreciate this, man. For real, you sat down.
Starting point is 01:45:20 I mean, I knew you was going to do it, but, you know, what we're trying to do is just to keep hip-hop spirit alive. That's right. Like, me personally, that conversation that me and you had outside where we was, it was crazy to see your growth, that me and you are growing at the same time. That's right. Similar to the same age. I'm about a year probably older than you. I'm 38. Well, I'm going on 39.
Starting point is 01:45:41 You'll be 38, so I'm still a year older than you. I'm a Virgo, the best sign in the world. I don't know if you knew that. Never. Anybody a Virgo in here? Come on, make some noise, nigga. See, see. You're a half a Virgo.
Starting point is 01:45:51 You're a half a Virgo. I think he went like this. Come on, man. You're too smooth. You don't even want to claim it. I think he went like this. He hid. He hid.
Starting point is 01:46:00 He threw his peace sign. But I'm a Virgo. My 39th birthday Will be this year So you'll be 38 this year That's right June Cancer baby
Starting point is 01:46:10 Summertime baby June Okay damn Which one of my baby moms We that shit that kill You heard me I got a baby mom in June I think we're cool
Starting point is 01:46:18 Is she crazy as shit Yeah Is she crazy Is she Gemma cancer Like me Cause I'm a cancer Gemma now I'm on both Cause you know I got Six kids in the possible'm on both. You know I got six kids in the possible.
Starting point is 01:46:26 I'm straight bipolar. You know I got six kids in the possible. You got six in the possible. We're trying to figure out that possible at some point. Shout out to Jane. Cancer back here. Yeah, at some point. We're going to figure out that possible.
Starting point is 01:46:36 Yeah, yeah. You know where you at, nigga. Yeah. You a grown man. Let's get this blood test popping. That was just wrong. That's my nigga, though. That's my nigga, though we've been hollering so bleak once again man thank you for hanging out man is there anything else you want to say man like you
Starting point is 01:46:52 you got so much like the thing about you is you're the number one like right hand man like yeah i know you know every star got me beat man nah. See, Spliffstar got you beat on stage. Right. Yeah, yeah. But behind the scenes, like, gangster shit, real nigga shit, you that number one dude. I don't think niggas know it, though. Nah, I know it. I know it.
Starting point is 01:47:19 I'm behind the scenes crying. And you ain't got to worry, because I don't want no ho faith. I'm so scared of Hov. Like, you know what's crazy? I seen him come up, and when I seen him get there, like, I just want him to be that nigga. I don't even want to look at him like a regular nigga. Like, I want to look at him like that. Like, remember, we was trying to get Joe on the phone.
Starting point is 01:47:40 He was like, yo, I'm going to have Hov call your phone. I hung up the phone. I said, yo, Blee, please don't do that. Please, here goes, fat Joe number. I don't want to be in the book. I told you, I'm like, yo, I'm going to have Jake call you. He's like, what? I'm like, yeah, give me your number.
Starting point is 01:47:56 Text it to me. Text me his number. Right. I didn't want nothing to do with it. Listen, listen. Like, when a person gets, like, when you person gets... I know he got Obama number. If you got Obama number, I don't want you to call me. I'm
Starting point is 01:48:09 scared of you. This is real shit. I know I'm a foul nigga. I know I'm still doing shit that's technically wrong. Man, Bleak, I can't thank you enough, man. You're my homie. I just want to thank everybody.
Starting point is 01:48:25 I want to thank you in front of the crowd because I know when you see I'm thanking you, you're probably like, what the fuck is this nigga in on doing? But at the end of the day, our relationship has been like, we ain't never really bragged about our relationship. A lot of people didn't even probably know we was this cool. That's right. Even when I told Joe, I was like, yo, Bleak is my man. He was like, for real, he always kind of acts tough around me. I was like, you probably act tough around him. Like, y'all niggas don't, never spoke.
Starting point is 01:48:57 That's the thing about rap beefs. Mm-hmm. Rap beefs have nothing to do with nothing. Yep. They just don't speak to each other. And that's just it, right? You could have just spoke to him and be like, yo, it's like the craziest shit is,
Starting point is 01:49:11 you know who you remind me of so much? Jungle. And Jungle, when I'm around Jungle, he reminds me of you because you're just 100% loyal to your big homie, and that's it. There's no questions asked. Word up. asked like I've
Starting point is 01:49:26 seen niggas come around you and say yo yo yo yo so what's up with home like that's whole you just been like that's all that's my big homie I ain't you know I'm saying so that that's real shit right there and um again I want to just thank you for being around. How long we did? Shout out to Miami Rum Club. Oh, shout out to Miami Rum Club. The distributor of Colombian White. We going to take a shot? Let's do it. You want to take a shot?
Starting point is 01:49:52 I can't take that shit hot no more. You want the drink? I got to get a chill. Make three Andrakes over here. Hold on. I don't know what that means. It's a drink that they make with the Colombian White. Andrakes. Andrakes. That don't sound what that means. It's a drink that they make with the Colombian white, man. A dracke. It's like a mojito, man.
Starting point is 01:50:08 That don't sound like my style. I'm going to be honest. I got things to do. And my wife is following one of y'all niggas on Snapchat. Because somebody does Snapchat to everything. By the way, my wife runs my life. I'm going to be honest with you. Mine taking over, she's trying.
Starting point is 01:50:26 I'm just resisting. Don't resist. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. This is my second marriage. You that nigga. No. Please pray for me. And she's Cuban. She's Cuban and she's Puerto Rican. I'm madly in love.
Starting point is 01:50:42 She take care of my kids. That's not her. She take care of the kids. That's not her. She take care of the kids. I love. Great. But being married is crazy. Yeah. It's a task, my G. But I realize that it works when I just say yes.
Starting point is 01:50:55 That's how it is. Yeah. Really tough. If I argue, like, I ain't going to. And you know, like, I'm a talkative, argumentative person. But I've never really won when I've argued, even when I'm right. It's just like, yo, that's the key to marriage. It's just like, okay, baby.
Starting point is 01:51:15 All right, your way, baby. It's different in my house. Me and my lady both the same sign. So we both don't give a fuck. The cancer Gemini? No, we both cancer. So she look at me like, I don't give a fuck The cancer Gemini We both know We both cancer So she look at me like I don't give a fuck
Starting point is 01:51:27 I look at her like I don't give a fuck Cancer's a hard core man Fuck everything That's gonna make y'all work man That's why we love each other Yeah that's gonna make it work man I seen you on
Starting point is 01:51:38 That's the first time I seen you With your hat off Where? At the wedding pictures That's right God you couldn't be in this tux With the hat on baby Niggas thought I had the LL hat or something.
Starting point is 01:51:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You took your hat off just now. I just wear my shit. I just like the way it is. Did you get that? You took my hat off. You took his hat off. You took his hat off.
Starting point is 01:51:56 He took his hat off. They say you and Pat Poots never take your hat off. I never see Pat with his hat off, though. They can see me. My melon is out there. You got that? My melon is out there. I see Pat on the me. My melon is out there. You got that? My melon is out there. My melon is out there.
Starting point is 01:52:08 Yeah, yeah. I ain't going to front. I know Ben Bleak for 20 years. I've seen his pictures on Instagram. I said, Slime got his hat off at his wedding. That was hard. Yo, Bleak, I'm so happy for you. Congratulations on the wedding.
Starting point is 01:52:21 Thank you, man. We should have said that early. We met your lovely wife. What a beautiful people. We heard that she's related to Lee Daniels. Yeah, she got a lot of family ties out there in the music.
Starting point is 01:52:31 Lee just like to stay around money, man. He's been around money so long. I had to tell her, right, because, you know, we at the wedding, she had a family. He came out and did a speech. So, you know,
Starting point is 01:52:40 everybody looking like, who the hell is this? So, you know, she got Lee Singer singer to OJ's At the wedding That's her family So everybody My mom's like
Starting point is 01:52:49 My mom looking like What the fuck Like This is real Like So I had to tell him When we went to his crib In Vegas
Starting point is 01:52:57 You know he invited us For dinner in Vegas Come chill And I told him Yo my nigga You know I probably Was born off your joints That's real shit.
Starting point is 01:53:05 Didn't know you invented me, nigga. A lot of people did. I told that to K.R.S. a little bit. What? I'm not going to lie. This is crazy. Thank you, Bleak. I'm going to keep going.
Starting point is 01:53:17 He going to keep going. He don't want to stop neither. You know what I'm saying? But you know what? What's the name of the spot again? Because these people let us... Miami Rum Club. The distillery at Columbia. They distill Columbia White. Our joint, too. That's right.
Starting point is 01:53:31 Get that check, baby. We got Duse on the table. Let me big up. Let me big up. Keith, what's this nigga's last name, man? I asked this nigga his last name. Pull it up, man. He said, what's this nigga's last name? What you gonna check? His IG? Keith Howard. Keith Howard.
Starting point is 01:53:47 Keith Howard and Alina Smith for providing the rosé. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to CBS, too. Shout out to CBS, all you fucking
Starting point is 01:53:56 motherfuckers up there. Let's do this, CBS. I think I'm gonna have to get a podcast. Yeah, man. Come on. You come to CBS. Tell CBS how I like me, man.
Starting point is 01:54:05 Listen, listen, listen. We do the podcast. Listen, listen, listen. There's other niggas that got other deals, but they don't get free tickets to the Super Bowl. You already know. I don't know if I get free tickets to the Super Bowl. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:54:16 But I'm trying my hand. You motherfuckers better listen. I want tickets to the Super Bowl. This is how we get it. They want to see Beyonce, they better give us tickets to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Beyonce for the Super Bowl. That's what we get it. They want to see Beyonce, they better give us tickets to the Super Bowl. I like that. Beyonce for the Super Bowl. That's what we're doing.
Starting point is 01:54:28 That's an even trade. We're not hot yet until Roc Nation asks to manage us. So we got a long way to go. No, no. Because everybody... Two weeks, two weeks.
Starting point is 01:54:37 Listen, everybody that's hot is managed by Roc Nation. Two weeks. I hit Lenny Estes to see if I was lukewarm. I said, your last name is Santiago, nigga. How are you doing?
Starting point is 01:54:46 Happy birthday. He was like, college got me running. I said, damn, we're not that hot yet. Because he was supposed to stop what he was doing and say, we need drink champs at Roc Nation. So we're going to keep continuing working until we get Roc Nation called. We just need Roc Nation. We don't even have to accept a deal. I don't even care if it's a real deal.
Starting point is 01:55:03 You just want another chain. No, I do want another chain. No, do I? The new rock piece is hard. nation to go we don't even have to accept a deal i don't even care if it's a real deal the homie what's my man there is there in my mind man des brian he fucking killed his shit des brian oh i'm cowboy he murdered his shit he got the Bryant. From the Cowboys. Oh, I'm Cowboys. He murdered his shit. He got the Cuban connect to the joint. Yeah, but he probably brought his own shit because he's rich like that. Come on, you know that. He ain't giving niggas chains.
Starting point is 01:55:31 The whole thing ain't giving chains no more. It's over. Those days is over. And Big said I had his last chain. And we just had to make some new ones. Why?
Starting point is 01:55:38 We just went to the jeweler to make some new ones because niggas like, yo, we gave away all the chains. So we got to make some new ones. You know what I mean? Make some new ones. Make two more. Make we gave away all the chains so we gotta make some new ones you know what I mean
Starting point is 01:55:45 so make some new ones make two more make two more listen we gonna know we hot eat we gotta get that Lenny ass call back guys
Starting point is 01:55:54 that he's Spanish too you notice I stick with the Spanish people right you feel me you feel me I'm sticking with the Spanish people first
Starting point is 01:56:01 back guys even though he handles sports Lenny though he handles sports. Lenny S., he handles Colin and Fabulous. And Tata, I know he handles Rihanna. Tata handles everything. His money is too big. So when we get those calls, E, we're going to change our phone numbers. All right?
Starting point is 01:56:20 That's a bet? I'll change it right now. No, no, no. I'm going to change it. I don't see a need To change it right now Pharrell still got my number So But when Rock Nation call
Starting point is 01:56:30 I'm changing my number Yo Memphis Bleak Thank you for hanging out With the drink champs You ain't gotta leave We gonna smoke And we gonna drink I'm gonna try to get you
Starting point is 01:56:36 On some rosé But it's okay Cause you do it And this is how it goes down Memphis Bleak Drink champs Motherfucking DJ EFN, Hazardous Sounds,
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