Drink Champs - Episode 67 w/ Duck Down

Episode Date: March 3, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with Smif-n-Wessun, DJ Evil Dee, Dru Ha and the late Sean P's Wife, Bernadette Price. They talk the start of Duck Down, how Smif-n-Wessun came to be, Black Moon, Boot Camp Clik, Sean P's life, Brooklyn, Biggie and more. BuckShot calls in and Capone joins us in time to celebrate his Birthday! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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your boy N-O-R-E. What up? It's DJ EFN. And this is the Entertainment Crazy Podcast. Slash Drink Chats. Make some noise! And right now, I would like to introduce what I'm about to introduce. And before I introduce them, I would like to say that when I hear the best labels of all times, when I hear the best crews of all times, and when I hear the best anything of all times, and these people don't involve

these people that are here with us right now it actually makes me mad because Duck Down has been here just as long as Bad Boy. Duck Down has been here just as long as Death Row. Duck Down in certain instances has outlasted

Death Row and Bad Boy. Absolutely. But a lot of people don't just say that. A lot of people don't just give them props. We're not just seeing the emergence of young M.A. and a lot of people didn't know that she was ducked down, affiliated.

I realize that a lot of people just don't understand the genius of Buckshot, Evil D, and Drew Hall. And a Joy Badass. Y'all have something to do with Joy Badass a little bit. Relax. Don't say nothing. Relax.

You and Charlie. I'm going to. You and Charlie. Y'all fast forwarding. Get out of here. Get out of here. You fast forwarding me. You got to relax.

We're 50-50, bro. This is an intro. Go. Go with your intro. How you going to start in the middle? Go with it. Go on, man. Relax.

You got ping-a. You need to relax. Somebody farted in your pillow. Damn. He said somebody farted in your pillow. No, I didn't catch that. I know you got ping-a a lot too. You still got ping-a. Both of my fake farts.

You gotta relax. So, we got The most luxurious The label that stuck together Y'all had problems But y'all stuck together at the end And tonight We are going to big this up And we should introduce our guests

Or let our guests introduce they self First we're going to start with the white man Who ran a marathon Yes, Drew High Up in here Let's make some noise for Drew High Yeah, Tech, Smith & Wesson Let's make some noise for Tech, Smith & Wesson

Yeah, yeah, General Steele, Smith & Wesson Let's make some noise for Steele. DJ Evil D, bro. Bernadette Price, Sean Price, the wife. Rest in peace. So being that you started as the last, last should be first, so I'm going to start with you. Okay. And I'm going to say, when you heard that Sean Price was wet ducked down, what was your first initial reaction?

I was like, wow, you sure you want to do this? All right, cool. I don't know if that was good or bad. It was good, actually, because I've known him since I was 13. Sean? Yeah, Sean. Right. So, you know, he would say his little raps and be like, oh, is you still going to be around and listen?

And I'd be like, yeah, where I'm going? You the one going somewhere. And he'd be like, nah, I'm going to do this. And he would rap to me. And I'd be like, you pretty good. You know what I mean? Pretty good. You look good. And basically, you know, the start of the end.

So what's the Sean Price you like more, when he was in the group or when he went solo? When he went solo. I ain't going to lie, me too. Because I felt like he felt like, I don't feel like, I feel like as a fan, I felt like he felt like he was held back in a certain way. So everything he did as a solo artist was, like, rebellious. It was rebellious in the most, like, respectful, disrespectful way.

I agree. You agree? You know, when you're in a group, there's... Shots fired. You got the Brooklyn niggas in here. You got the Brooklyn niggas in here. Shots fired. That's how it happens. You got the Brooklyn niggas in here. You got some Brooklyn niggas in here. You shot Brian. That's how it happens.

You got Brooklyn niggas in here. Go ahead. There's ways you carry yourself. You know, you're carrying your team. You know, and then when you become a solo artist, it's just like, fuck that, it's me. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to worry about, you know, exposing anything or whatever the case is because it's you. So, you know, it was Ruck.

Ruck is different from Sean Price. Well said. So deep. So deep. I know. I ain't gonna front. I didn't even look at that like that. No, I did.

Ruck is different from Sean at that like that I did So now I want to take it to the beginning Of Duck Down Juha Buckshot came to you Or you came to Buckshot How did this conversation start?

I was working I was an intern at an independent label, Nervous Records. Nervous. I remember that. Oh, they started Nervous on Duck Down. I was wrong. No, they definitely owned us. They owned us for a minute.

No, I'm saying the way they literally owned us. But they had us in the situation for a minute. But yeah, Buck was a newly signed artist. Chuck Chill Out brought him to the label. To Nervous. To Nervous. Okay. And I literally was like,

I was right out of college. It was a small independent label, like three, four people up there. And I just started doing a little bit of everything. And Buck would come up to the label every day. He would like literally come in to try to, you know, see how he was going to advance his career up at Nerd.

He was putting the pressure on the label. And E and 5 would be there. But Buck was there pretty much a few times a week. And we just developed a friendship. I was an aspiring rapper. Wait, wait, wait. What was your rap name? What was your rap name?

You were a rapper? Why only was I a rapper? I didn't even know. You're not a rapper. I'm not a rapper. I'm not a rapper. But only was I a rapper? I need a verse. I need a verse. You're not going to get it. I mean, I'm going to ask you. I need a verse. But look, wait, wait.

I'm on the spot. I need a verse. I got a verse. You could go look it up on a song called... No, we don't need to look it up. Hold on. Hold on. This is many moons ago.

He's talking to Ben Trapp just now. I have a song on the Black Moon album on Into the Stage called You the Man with Mobb Deep, Smith & Wesson, and Black Moon. So you can, it's the ill Caucasian. I listened to that album. Back and forth. Check the invasion. All right, so look.

Yeah, right? So look. I never knew you were saying Caucasian. I can kick this verse. You can kick it first. You can kick it first, bro. Like you said, the Indian. I feel like I'm not hip-hop right now.

I feel like I'm not hip-hop right now. I feel like I'm not hip-hop right now. I heard that verse 10,000 times. You kicked the verse, we know the verse. Who's Chuck Chillout, though? I know who's Chuck Chillout, but for the people that don't know him. Chuck Chillout was a classic DJ. Still is a classic DJ. Even at the time, he was an influential DJ on, I think it was 107.5.

He's on BLS. On BLS, 107.5. Let's give Chuck Chillis a round of applause. That's right, that's right. We have that time too, bro. Anyway, long short, I quickly learned my calling wasn't to be an MC. You know, being around professionals. You know, being around certain artists.

We could joke around about it, but I often say,e, you know, being around professionals, you know, being around certain artists. We could joke around about it, but I often say like, you know, emceeing, a lot of people like to do it. It's like baseball in a way, like you can have a rec league, you could play little league, you could play even high school, but that doesn't mean that you should be in the pros. And being around professional emcees, I learned quickly the difference of like what I was doing and what was being done. And it done. For me, it didn't seem the route that I was going to go. You started out trying to be an MC. I was working. I had a job, but that was

on the side. What initially made you say, I'm going to get down with you, Buck, to make this? Just the circumstances. It wasn't like it was this grand plan. It was just more we were going through the motions. It was really when Buck introduced me to these two right here.

It was undeniable. Because that was your first artist? That was the first time that we looked at it and said we could take another group and kind of do what we're doing with Black Moon a little bit. And it wasn't even official right at that point. It was more like filling in and doing certain things because Black Moon was because essentially it seemed like Black Moon was like the new Eric B and Rakim because they had a DJ and then it had you know the artist Buck so actually it's two Buck and Five FT yeah yeah 5FT So where's he at?

5 is chilling, he's home You know what I'm saying? Okay So go ahead Let's describe your story Oh man, listen The Black Moon story? Well first of all, Beat Minus

Beat Minus started the day I was born Because that's my brother, Mr. Walt That's my brother, Mr. Walt. That's my older brother. And I kind of got into what I'm doing. Are we going to save it? No, pop it. Pop it.

Let's all go over it now. I thought we had to graduate today. Yeah, we got to graduate. But I don't know why. He knows we got to graduate. Come on, man. These guys look like they drink it all day, every day. Open it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Open it. Go ahead. Even D. Let Even D continue. All right. So, you know, my brother, Mr. Walt, you know, I've seen him DJ. And, you know, it's like you see your big brother do something, you get jealous. Right.

That's how I got into music. Because I was jealous because he was getting all that attention. And everybody was like, yo, yo, yo, your brother's nice. I'm like, no, I'm nicer than him. This is your literal big brother, though. Yeah, my big brother. He's three years older than me. Right.

Yeah. And he, you know, so everything he did, I did. My brother worked, he used to work at the music factory on Jamaica Ave, across from the Coliseum. I knew that. I knew that. And everybody in Queens, everybody in hip-hop in Queens went in that store one time or another.

Right. And he knew everybody. Right. So when he started producing music, I started producing music. Right. I'm sorry to cut you off, but when was the time that you said,

this is real? What, as of making records and everything? Yeah, like when was that moment that hit you and said, this is real? What, as of making records and everything? Yeah, like when was that moment that hit you and said, this is real? Once we actually went into the studio. The studio, before you knew you had a hit. Yeah, we got the deal. And, you know, we had a deal before and it fell through. And we got the second deal

which was nervous records and you know I still was like yo whatever man I'm still gonna hustle sell these tapes do these parties I'm sorry Tom the first drink you taking this tag of all I was drinking some of this I don't even know what this is. I just would like to acknowledge. Tiger Boy is a serious thing. Please don't stop your train of thought. No doubt. I just want to see you. Am I in trouble? Am I in trouble with this?

No, no, no. Tiger Boy is a serious thing. If you're going to start with Tiger Boy, I just want to watch it. We should all just look at Tiger Boy like that. No, I'm not. But if you're going to start with it, you're going to start with it? I had some of this. He started with the rose.

Oh, and Tiger Boy was after that? Whoa. Oh, man. But you haven't finished your rose because it's still in your hand. Are we going to make this clear? She cannot drink Tiger Bone. No. Don't worry.

I'll be ripping somebody's cat because I ain't got no Tiger Bone. Whoa. That's right. That's right. Okay. So, all right. Tiger Bone for the rest of the day. So, now I need to understand.

Okay. Because you guys You worked at Nervous I'm an intern He was an intern, yeah Buck is an artist at Nervous You are the artist The artist

Yeah, because when Buck got signed We all got signed Buck and Five Was it already Black Moon? The group was already Black Moon It was already Black Moon When we went to Nervous And you know, we go up at Nervous

Drew was in there holding it down. Right. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. But you're not from Brooklyn, so you don't... No, I'm from White Plains.

White Plains. But you know what it was, though? When we came into the label, it was a factor of... We came into the label that was Cats in there working. Just do that out there just now.

Bushwick to White Plains. I said it on the end of the stage. She truly claimed it. But Nervous was a dance record. You know how you walk into your record label Do that out there just now Bushwick Bushwick to White Plains I said it on the end of the stage Alright Continue And I explained it But NERDS You know how you walk Into your record label And you just look around And look at everybody

And you just see that one person That you know Yo that's He get it That's my nigga right there Yeah he get it Drew was that dude Alright

Like when we walked in We gave everybody Yo what's up Yo what's up And we seen Drew It was like Yo what up Drew You good

And what happened was um a situation happened and drew actually jumped in he sprung into action okay you know i'm saying he went from being drew to do with the label to drew of duck down without even knowing it you know i'm saying and that that's what happened. Believe it or not, I literally put my head down. I looked up. Drew and Buck are like, yeah, duck down. That's exactly how duck down happened to me. Let's make some noise for that. That sounds amazing to me.

Now Drew. Duck down was always the name. Now Drew, how did it happen to you? Because then I'm going straight to Smith and Wesson. I mean, that was essentially it. It was like, over time, they had the management. Some management situations were going on.

We were acting and serving in that role. We started doing a lot over when Who Got the Props came out. Who got the props? Start making the record. Start going on the road. Evo D and Buck Shadis. How'd he touch that? Hold on. Before y'all Evil D and Buckshot. That's right. Everybody does that. Hold on.

Before y'all play, let me see. It's 5FT, Evil D, and Buckshot. Everybody does that. I never know what the fuck y'all saying.

No, everybody does that. You notice I'm skipping right over that part. Everybody does that. Yo, it's 5FT, Evil D, and Buckshot. That's such a classic record.

5FT, now it makes sense. Now it makes sense. Who got the prop? Who got the problem? Who got the problem? Buck, I'm sorry. Buck, you need to go for a rap right now. I swear to God.

Wow. I thought that was the first one. We're running around. Buck is, at this point, he's looking for a new manager, right? And so we're running around. We're doing a lot of things. I actually set up a whole bunch of meetings for Buck with different managers that I knew or that I was coming across. And, like, I wasn't even seeing myself in that role yet.

I'm still young. I'm still – I just didn't picture it like that. We did a few meetings, and Buck would come out. And at the end, he said, you know what? And I give Buck all the credit because he said we could just do this ourselves. Like, the way we're doing it right now, let's just keep doing it like this until you know we see if we need more help so i didn't argue with that and um you know at that point like i said i was i was speaking on it earlier but he introduced me to to smith and wesson that's exactly where i was going so and that's that's all it took now he's that's what

it was official to me let's do it ourselves no i after he said, let's do it ourselves, I said in my mind, well, this is at a time, right? Bad boy and you're starting to get a little bit of no limit. These things are starting to pop up. These labels, right? Loud and sober. 94, right? 94. No limit.

No limit. Maybe it's coming to a point. No limit. No limit. No limit. No limit. They just started, was there They just started They just started

So I said to Buck If we're gonna do this Then we obviously Need the next group And he I think he was Testing me early Because he brought me

A few things That were just The noodles And I told him I was like no Like artists Yeah he brought He brought a couple of things

And I was like I don't Nah Buck He brought me He just brought me some berserk shit. I called him out on it. And he said, all right, all right. I got two guys you need to meet.

And he said, I'm going to bring them to an in-store in New Jersey. And the next in-store we went to, he brings Smith & Wesson. And I'm videotaping. You can look this up on YouTube, but I'm videotaping them. Take a microphone. Evil D puts on deep cover. And these two step up to the microphone. You got to know what an in-store is.

These youngins won't know what an in-store is. We're going to explain it. Right, but it was packed, and they're ready to take their heads off in that in-store if they don't represent. E was up above. There was a Black Moon in-store? There was a Black Moon in-store. Now I got to ask y'all, where was y'all at in life When y'all met them Like

Was this the focus To meet them Get signed Or this was just like I'm nice I live for you You know For me

I wasn't even I was his security I wasn't even Yo You were his security Yeah I was still security I was a rapper I see that

We was fresh We was fresh Out of high school on the rapper, man. I see that right now. We was fresh out of high school in the streets. Not even one foot in high school about to get thrown out. The other foot in the streets in the hood. I'm from Bed-Stuy. He from the Vail. So it's already tension in the hood with that. But some was doing mad talent shows and winning.

For me, I always wanted to be behind the boards Like an engineer And you said you from Bestar and you from Brownsville Very killer-ish Very killer-ish places Up the hill, down the hill And um, like he was doing just talent shows And shit and um

He had another partner that was rocking with him And like I said all I was doing was just security Just keeping the niggas and the bitches away. Right. So after that, after we met him riding around in, what was it, the Subaru? But he said y'all met in New Jersey. Is that where the actual meeting happened or no? That wasn't the very first time.

That was the first time we met before that. So what I'm asking is, did you know that when you met him and Buck that this was it? Nah. Like, for me, I wasn't on it like that. That was his journey. That was his journey. We used to, like, before, I guess before we actually met Drew High, like, me and Buck used to spend a lot of time together on Franklin Avenue. Franklin Union, just standing outside talking. Like, Buck is a spent a lot of time together on Franklin Avenue, Franklin Union, just standing outside talking.

Buck is a visionary. He sees the future, this guy. I was aspiring to be on. At that point, it's just like, these guys got the deal, so we're just going to ride with them. We was just shadowing these guys, and we was learning everything that they were doing from the interviews, from the installs, the studio work, and we shadowed them.

So from there, yeah, we just picked up everything. We knew we was next up. Wow. I will say this, though. Go ahead. When we was working on, like when me and Buck first started working, Buck used to always go Yo my man still

My man still And I was like Yo at the end of the day Let us do what we gotta do first Then you can bring your man still on You know what I'm saying And it was funny because I always knew it was still and his man

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Now immediately Drew, did you did it dawn on you that you, we gotta form this full-fledged label or was you more or less a let's just be the production company logo on there not really be a label we still would be happy honestly we still weren't even

really thinking that far ahead i wish i could tell you it was this grand plan but at that point it was we we brought them into nervous introduced them to the same place we were it wasn't until we went got the first round of you know royalty statements that we we were. It wasn't until we got the first round of royalty statements that we were figuring maybe something wasn't matching up to the work we were putting in. Was the royalty statement bad? What was every first artist royalty statement look like?

Who distributed Nervous? Nervous was independent. Independent distributed. We had to renegotiate that. It was $1.87. You see, $1.87. It split bad. We had to renegotiate that. It was $1.87. You see, you see, $1.87. Split between seven groups. And that's when we, you know, and now

at this point, we are seeing other entities pop up. And we said, you know what, let's go shop this, right? As soon as they came through the door, it wasn't long before they introduced us to Stee Steel's brother Sean

Ruck and Rock and String and Louisville as the Fab Five so it didn't take long, now all of a sudden being a it wasn't hard to tell, when you have eight MC's that rhyme the way they rhymed everyone had a unique style and a unique look and came together to form

like a Voltron you just knew there was something special there. Even at that point, I think that's when we saw we could take this outside of Nervous and do our own thing. But the first album was Into the Stage. The first one was on Into the Stage. Then The Shining.

It caused so much disruption in jail. Jail. I was in jail. I was in jail. I was in jail. It caused so much disruption. Did y'all know? I can't speak on that.

What? You can't speak on that? I'm sorry. I got you. I got you. He's speaking from jail. I got jail. But did you know?

Like, because I always ask people when they come on this show, did you know you were making a classic? Nah, we didn't even know what we were doing. We didn't know what, Stale and Buck was the professionals in rhyming and rapping. They knew what bars was. I didn't know what bars was. I didn't know how to put together a song. You do eight, 16, then a chorus and this and come back. I didn't know none of that shit a song. You do 8, 16, then a chorus and this and

come back. I didn't know none of that shit until you were nice though. As soon as you let verses out. The noise of Juha still big enough to argue. I love that. I love that. Now, E.R.D. You see this empire taking

off, but for some reason we heard that E. R. D. just disappeared at one point. Wow. That was funny. I'm a real fan. And as a fan, as a fan,

we loved Buckshot. We loved Duck Down, but we missed you. Like, we wondered where were you at. I'm talking about, this is not Nori. I'm not talking about Nori. This is a fan. It's hip-hop.

Because I missed the guy with the jet. The guy like this. And I'm like, where did he go? So, is there an explanation? Because I really don't know. You know, I went to go DJ. I just was DJing. Around the world?

You know, I went on my DJ tour. I had my Hot 97 show. Oh, yes, right. From 94 to 97. That's on the Flex. Flex hooked that one, right? Actually, how do we... We hope.

Yeah, I was about to say. That's another Duck down thing Oh It all falls in the Duck down Duck down Duck down And it was like

You know I concentrated on my DJing and beat monitors You know Like me and Me Me, Buck And Fav

Was going through The whole Nervous records thing And you know Like That whole thing Kind of left a sour taste And you got Sort of blaming Buck and Five was going through the whole Nervous Records thing. And, you know, like, that whole thing kind of left a solid taste in my mouth. And you guys sort of blaming each other instead of looking at the bigger picture. Well, it kind of like,

it wasn't like that. It just, we just felt, we just got jaded by the whole business thing like that. And plus, Buck wanted to build Ducktown. You know what I'm saying? Five was locked up. And you wanted to build... And I just, you know, I'm saying? Five was locked up. And you wanted to all the time. And I got on my DJ shit.

But we were running around with boot camp. Yeah, I was at the same time. They was running around. They was doing the boot camp kind of stuff. But you look at that, Ian and Walt were instrumental in those first four albums from Into the Stage to The Shining to Health of Skelters and Eternal to OG Seize the Storm.

I think when you look back on it in a piece of time, it's easy to say where they go, but it wasn't really like that. It was, you know, you're talking about from 93 to 97 of that time of making records. And then to his point, to clarify the nervous situation, when we did our deal with Priority Records, which was a West Coast-based label, part of what was still going on was the first East Coast. Was Dave Weiner a part of that? It was like Brian Turner, all the dudes you saw in the Compton movie. Dave Weiner was in Texas.

He was like, wow. But Black Moon was held up. Priority. They tried a few timesity We was held up in contract So we were moving forward with Duck Down With Helter Skelter and OGC That's like a year and a half, two years of time In the making right there

And Black Moon and Smith & Wesson were kind of They were in this legal battle with Nervous They were frozen for a minute My thing is I'm not just going to sit down Like I was producing other people So it was no turmoil? No, this is my family. We go through little family stuff, but

at the end of the day, these are the dudes I came in the door with, and I'll never front on them, and I'm loyal to them. You know what I'm saying? This is family. And that's the whole thing. A lot of cats thought it was

some bullshit, whatever. Nah, the whole thing is, basically, we had we was going through the bullshit of the label shit and, you know, and also cats was building their own entities. You know, because if it was some bullshit, trust me, it would have came out.

Right. But that's the whole thing. It was just, trust me, it would have came out. Right. You know what I'm saying? It would have came out. But that's the whole thing. It was just, you know, family doing other things. So now, this is Buck's idea, or this is you and Buck's idea? No, it was Buck's idea. Now, Wu-Tang had already came out? Yeah, Wu-Tang was, Black Moon was ahead of Wu-Tang.

Because I remember Old Dirty Bastard Came to a couple of shows We watched Old Camp came After Wu-Tang But not really Cause a mix Right

Of everything bubbling up We came in Right in the middle The idea was invented Before Wu-Tang you saying But I don't think We looked at it Like a super group

Even though They already had it It was just Smith and Wesson Black Moon Yeah They were one conglomerate Right Cause they came out With the protect your neck super group, even though he's not. It was just Smith & Wesson Black Moon. They were one conglomerate. They came out with the Protect Your Neck as a whole.

We came out as individuals. So now that you say Smith & Wesson, what actually happened with that lawsuit? Smith & Wesson tried to sue you? Yeah. The gun company? Y'all changed your name. How the fuck is a gun company who kills people? Sue fucking you. Instead of making us the poster boys. They was like,

we was confusing the consumer. One sells music, one sells guns. To buy CDs instead of guns? One sells death. Right.

Let me find out. One sells music, the other sells death. Basically. They sent us a stack of papers of legal terms. Yeah, cease and desist.

They give the out of style. We're going after the source. We're going after anybody that prints y'all. We're going after the regular. Yeah. Black straight black list. Now, Juha, as you being executive, what did you feel when Smith & Wesson, the gun company,

is sending you emails? There wasn't even emails back then. What was it back then? Straight paper contract. Are they serving you? Serving five letters. You get served? That shit looks super legit.

You think, oh, we on. You already know when you get that letter. You get it, sir. So you playing tennis? You playing tennis? I do play tennis. In my mind. Well, I do play tennis.

You do play tennis? I didn't know that. Even we both don't like to play it. I don't play the cross. I play some tennis. Okay. So you playing tennis. No.

And the guy comes up. You didn't win very much. Mind you, mind you again. At that point, it was still nervous to have put the album out, so they were looking for the label boss. So they got it. They didn't want to put the money up to fight what they knew was going to be a super long lawsuit. We are caught in the middle of putting out a new album, and we don't want to get held up any further.

So they decided. We all decided jointly. That's how we make decisions. We sat down and chopped it up, and we said, we're not going to stop the music over a name. And they came up with a name and how they wanted to move forward. And the hood was mad at Coco Brothers. I'm just throwing that out there.

I don't know if anybody would talk about it. They got over it. We was fucked up. We loved Smith and Wesson so much that when y'all switched to the Coco Brothers, they was like, man. They got over it. We was fucked up. We loved Smith and Wesson so much that when they asked me to the Coco Brothers and he's like,

no. Yeah, I know. It's like, who is that? Who is that? When I was playing this stuff on house, I just said

Smith and Wesson. I never said Coco Brothers. You never said Coco Brothers? I never said it. I ain't gonna lie. In my mind, I was like, no. That was always

something we used anyway because during the whole time when these guys was working into the stage, we was bringing the weed through. You know what I mean? We were bringing the chocolate. The chocolate.

Let's make some noise for the chocolate. Bring up the funny floss. I just seen him come on. Just make some noise. But, so, y'all. Not to cut you off. Go ahead, Ms. Sean Price. Come on, come on.

Miss Sean Price. He was a what? Sean has a little. He riding with Snake and Beast. Mother's a man. I've never seen him. Oh, man. That's hard.

This is the most disrespectful you've ever told me. So to get it quick, how you got into the industry? In high school, Steel was rapping. and we all wanted to be like him. Steele was Slick and Wesson. That's a short of it. I mean, I ain't got no dick. That's a short of it is. We all wanted to be like him.

Steele was Slick and Wesson. He's Riley's first. And originally, we all followed suit. Here we are. We're going. We don't like that. That's why he's here. That's why he's here. We don't like that. That's what I mean. That's what I mean.

That's what I mean. So, General Steele. So, how did General Steele even... You were rhyming before you met Buckshot? Actual facts, yeah. So, all right. Now, describe us the situation when you met Buckshot. Where was y'all at? I feel like y'all was in Marcy somewhere. So, all right. Now, describe us the situation when you met Buckshot. Where was y'all at?

I feel like y'all was in Marcy somewhere. I don't know. Nah, Buck is a crime-hice guy. He pretty much... Did you say he's a light-skinned guy? Yeah. Crime-hice, crime-hice. I met him at crime-hice.

I met him through his sister Tracy. Big up Tracy. I went to school, night school. You know what I mean? I was in night school, Western House, Brooklyn. And I had a show at the Apollo. You know what I mean? I was in night school, Western House, Brooklyn. And I had a show with Apollo. I did a couple of

variety shows with Vaughn Alexander. So you're telling me Brooklyn niggas met in Harlem? Not well. Nah, we would meet up in Brooklyn and shoot up to Harlem. The first time we actually met.

Now, we stay on two minutes. That's a super New York issue right here. You know me. We wasn't going at the Harlem right now. We got that New York issue. Let's let's tell finish.

Hold on. Let's let's tell finish. So, you met him in Harlem at the Harlem? No, we had a show at the Harlem. So, you met him in Harlem at the Apollo? No, I had a show at the Apollo. Okay, you had a show before you knew? Before I knew, but I did a show at the Apollo. That was the first time we actually really, you know, met. But before then, it was just, I knew his sister.

I was in class with her. Right. You know, but that was, we had no building, nothing before that. Right. You know what I'm saying? We was on our own twist. So he seen you at the Apollo and he performed with us.

Him and 5FT was dancing. Yup. Alright. Hold up, hold up. This is material. Buck and 5 used to also dance for M.O.S.T., Most Organized Sound Trooper, which was still me and a couple other people.

That was the name before Smith & White. That was so cruel. I am learning too much now. It was cool. All right, hold on, hold on. Let me get some clarification. Let me get some clarification. Everybody was dead.

Sean was a dancer, too. Hold on, let me get some clarification. Hold on, hold on. Sean used to dance too. Sean used to dance. Sean used to dance to the What was his favorite shit? That was his favorite shit.

That was his favorite shit. Love is the best. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm going to go there. That was his favorite part. Hold on, sis. I'm going to go there. Let me get some clarification.

So you didn't know Buckshot. No. But you had a show at the Apollo, which is a very big thing. Like, normal people don't get shows at the Apollo. Nah. The common denominator between that is Buck's sister, Tracy. They went to night school. And she was dancing

since she was little. I feel like Buck's sister, Tracy, lived in Queens for some reason. She might live in Queens now. She might. In my mind. She might.

But that was the common denominator to... That was the link between Steel and Buck. And from there... Big up Tracy and Buck. And from there... And from there, that's when...

Because Buck was still on his grind doing what he was doing, but it just happened. He's like, yo, my brother rap. And he dances. So at the Apollo, that's when, you know... She came to the right there. Word up.

Back in the days, we was dancing in the club. That's right. Not standing on a wall looking for a fucking party. Let's make some noise. Let's go. Now, one thing. Now, one thing you should notice about me, y'all. It hurts.

Everybody, shh. Listen, listen. That's an order. You guys are getting loose. I'm going to have to ask you to leave. So relax. So listen. You guys are getting loose. I'm going to have to ask you to leave. So relax. So listen. One thing I noticed about Sean Price

was when he was in the group, it felt like he was held. Now, I don't want to say held back, but it felt like he was contained. The minute he became Sean Price, and I remember he took on the anarchy of the broke-ass rapper. Oh, it was real.

That shit was true. He said the most disrespectful bars ever. While he was claiming the broke-ass rapper a lot. I mean, I was just like, I don't know if you know, that was my favorite rapper.

But a lot of people thought Sean Price was still in character mode. When he changed his name, he changed his name from Ruff to his real name, Sean Price. And people still thought that was rap character mode. Let me tell you something. When he became Sean Price, you know, you're Juha. Do you even remember? How much they said, yo, I'm the Juha. It was, let me see, you know, people running to him,

yo, tell Sean Price, you know what I mean, that Ruck is, you know what I'm saying, or tell Ruck that Sean Price and he's the same person. You know what I'm saying? No, but did you notice that once he, it felt like he was liberated. Not in a way like he felt like he was held back, but it felt like he was liberated. Not in a way like he felt like he was held back. But it felt like he was able to be himself. You know what? When you have a partner, y'all work together.

Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? You can't direct the attention at just you. You got to think about your partner. Right. You're the team player in that situation. Right. Team player all the way.

So when you become solo, it's all you. You don't have nobody to think about. I'm going to stop you for a second, sis, because some people go solo, and they don't embrace the character that he embraced. He went solo, and he was the exact opposite

of everything. So that was him. That was him. All that funny shit and all that, that was there was in itself. All that funny shit and all that that was Sean. That was Sean. That was Sean. Let me tell you something.

I invited Sean to a barbecue in Left Rat. He came through and he said, it's Ramadan. I can't do none of this. Exactly.

So when I saw your video, I was like, this nigga Nori. He let motherfuckers know he's off his dick. I had no idea. I had no idea what I was doing because when he said that, he had a gatorade in his hand. And I just really did. I was like, this nigga's crazy, he had a Gatorade in his hand. And I just really did.

I was like, this nigga's crazy. He went off his game for it. His type of funny is just it's like a natural comedian funny, but at the same time his bare hands would slap the shit out of you. It's just

you either accept it and you rock with it or you don't fuck with him or he don't fuck with you So I mean I'm so sorry to go in this dark place But I just have to being that we're here So how hard was it Because the hip hop community Sat back and we heard that

Sean passed away And Me personally I was Fuck fucked up because Me and Sean Been great forever But we were getting closer and closer And closer

And we was getting closer to the point where I just Would call him and be like You're a foul nigga He'd be like for what what did I do I just hang up I just liked him to be curious. He was one of the... I remember I told Busta about Sean Price.

And he was like, welcome. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, sure, he's got it. And I said, you never listen to his lyrics. I said, you never listen to his lyrics. And Busta called me and was like, I think I got to sign this guy like I think I gotta sign this guy I think I gotta sign

And the week after he passed away And Buss kept hitting me And I didn't answer Buss calls for that week Not because I don't respect Buss Because I absolutely do But it was just like I just wanted to deal with the morning As opposed to What was going on

And then afterwards I'm going to be honest, sis. Everybody's seen how great Sean was after. Hold on, hold on. One second, sis. One second. How many times did I was trying to call you? I was like, yo, tell Sean to come fuck with me, right? Because I

really knew how special this kid was. I didn't know what to do with it. i didn't know what to do with it i know what to do with it now but it's so many years but but a lot of people a lot of people did yes i got your system i'm just gonna a lot of people did you have to understand he he had put out three solo albums and no for an artist to reinvent himself right that's a very difficult thing to do especially for what you call an old school artist or, you know,

whatever the phrase is for an artist. He had a cult following. He had a cult following. He recreated himself where he was touring, where he was selling albums, where he was making

a good ass living reinventing himself. You jump on stage and start snuffing. Wow. Sean was in a good space. I was like, damn, you snuffing your fans.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Snuffing his fans. You set up on a rap. And they kept doing it. And they kept. They wouldn't think it's snuffing. Give me a sign.

Bomb it. They love when he block them, and they love when he punch them. You know what I mean? There was a lot of labels at that time and point that were recognizing what was going on. I saw Busta one day in front of Transit on Broadway. I remember he pulled me in. At Transit Snickers store? Yeah.

I saw him outside Transit. You know how Busta grabbed him and pulled you into it. Yo. And this was probably like a year or maybe two before he passed. And he was like, you know, I'm going to work with Sean. I want to. And we're like, all right, but we're already moving. But everything would always come back to Sean. But one thing with Sean is, want to, I'm like, all right, well, we already moving, but everything would always come back to Sean,

but one thing with Sean is, and he had the choice. He never switched teams. No, he said that. No matter how great he did, he never switched teams. So now,

you said, you've seen, you've seen Tim in the group, and then you've seen Tim as a solo artist. Right. Where did you think

his space was more comfortable at? As a solo artist. When. Where did you think his space was more comfortable at? As a solo artist. When he became Sean Price? Yes. Okay, explain. He was able, you know. Because he wasn't funny at all as a group. No.

Like, I never laughed at Rock and Rock at all. You know, it was scary. Now Sean Price comes, I'm like, that is the Brooklyn story. Yeah, yeah. I always looked at myself like Vince Marquis with a gun.

That's always how I looked at myself. And I said, damn, this nigga done turned into Vince Marquis with two guns. No, I swear to God. Like, if you listen to him. Sean, Sean, Sean. Sean, you pick me up. You pick me up.

I'm happy. Sean is like, Biz Marquis with a gun. Biz Marquis with a gun. But Sean was like, that makes actually a lot of sense. That's how I always looked at myself because, you know, picking boogers, picking boogers made me laugh. And that was the police. Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor.

That sounds like the police. It does sound like the police. Richard Pryor. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I thought it was the police. Relax. Relax.

So, but that's how I always looked at Sean because Biz Markie was my idol. And everybody hated Biz. Not hated. They just didn't. I mean, from my era, they didn't take. No, I'm not saying. I'm just saying my people didn't take Biz as serious as Kane, as Rakim or whatever. But Biz made me laugh.

And I always wanted to be entertained and laugh at the same time. So, when Biz came, it was like, oh, that was the ultimate choice. And then, I'm not going to lie, I felt like I took on that

anarchy. What is that? I don't know that word I'm sorry Monica There you go That's usually his homework So um I took on that and then I left it alone

And I left it alone and I tried to make Club records and party records And all that and Sean Reminded me that you fucked up And I tried to make club records And party records And all that And Sean reminded me That you fucked up He's like I'm beating this lady up And he did that So do you think

Because me personally And this is some fucked up shit to say But I'm going to keep it real Keep it real I developed this perfect personality When I gained weight Okay After I gained weight

I was 360 pounds I didn't want people to look at my stomach So I became funny Concentrate on your personality Concentrate on my mouth Concentrate on my mouth Concentrate on my mouth Concentrate on what I'm saying

Concentrate on everything else but me But Sean never got big as me. So how did Sean, in your opinion, develop that, you know, personality? I would say, you know, the struggle takes you there. You know, the ups, the downs. You got personal problems. You got real problems. You got real problems. You understand what I'm saying?

You know, as artists, and I say this a lot, we have to deal with the world, what the fans want, how people are going to look at us, how they perceive us. At the same time, you're dealing with personal issues from your family. You want to help everybody. You want to make everybody happy. And all that shit just builds up. You try to direct your attention elsewhere. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm saying? You know,

it's hard. He lost his mom and then he had to get out there and do a show. You know what I'm saying? His mom, you know, she didn't raise him, but he loved his mom.

What's the daughter's name? Sean Price. I'm not going to lie. I see her when she got on stage. It's so beautiful. Let's the daughter's name? Sean Price. Sean Price. I'm not going to lie. I see her when she got on stage. It's so beautiful. Let's make some noise for little Sean Price. I don't know if y'all understand. I don't know if y'all know what we do here at this show,

but I'm going to reiterate. I introduced Sean Price to the stage. Yes, he did. Go ahead. Talk about it. Talk about it. How old was she? She was... She was in a carriage. She was walking. Talk about it. How old was she? She was...

He was in a carriage. She was walking. She was walking. Hey, Ted, did you bring her out of Queensbridge, right? Yeah. He brought her out

in Prospect Park. In Prospect Park. That was what? What was that show called? That was what I was waiting for. One of the summer stages. One of the summer stage joints. And he brought

Sean Price out for the first time. From there, now she do photography. Now she do verses. She model. Everything. You can't stop it with her now.

Drew, I got a question for you. And this has to do with Sean Price. And this might be kind of wrong in a sense. And I'm going to tell you why. This is one of the most depressing times I had in hip-hop. I went to Shady Records. I don't to tell you why. This is one of the most depressing times I had in hip-hop. I went to Shady Records. I don't remember the year exactly. And I went to visit Riggs Morales.

And you walked in. And you was pitching Sean to them. You was like, yo, and you was giving the illest pitch to them. And I remember Riggs just, like, not being sure of what you were saying. And I'm like, because I already know. I know what he meant to the movement. So I'm like, why would you question this? So I walked away from that office like disheartened of hip hop.

Like, why the fuck would they not understand this is a legend already? Why would you not pick this up? And then you had to pitch it. I mean, I probably went up there for Paul, because we were already cool. First of all, we have history with Em. That goes back to a whole other story that we

have at one time. Do you remember that day? I do remember that day. You also have to remember at a certain point, right, that we're talking about, like, there's a lot of comedy to it, but to Burns' point, there was a lot of struggle also. Around 98, 99, we lost that glorious production deal at Priority Records. Smith & Wesson signed the raucous, right? Me and Buck were sitting back going, we got to regroup,

and we got to find new funding, we got to find. We went back to my apartment like we went from offices on on in a penthouse with copy machines and all types of crazy shit to the copy machine being in my kitchen so at the same time we're looking out we have artists that are active and we're saying we gotta we gotta do something for them as well and we started making deals that that killed us like We were dismantling the roster. Literally Smith & Wesson was signed to Rourke's Records. But at the same time

I think that was something that hurt us in the beginning when we didn't branch out early. Because you're saying that signing to Rourke's hurt? It hurt us because we couldn't provide the home anymore. We couldn't provide the contract. It wasn't just us no more.

Right. It was an outside entity. It was an outside entity. We made a new deal. We signed a group. Everybody said, all right, David. That's the priority y'all had. Right.

It was our deal. So Sean was also without a deal. And so at this time, like Rock, the partner in health of Skelter, Rock, he had a deal. With priority. They kept him through that deal. So they were allowed to keep one. Right, but it was through that contract, but they were allowed to keep one artist from our roster and that's what they chose. They chose it. That's what they chose. They chose. They were, in our contract, they were allowed to keep one act and they chose Rock and that, I think that put a huge chip on Sean's shoulder.

Yeah, it put a thing. And so we went back to putting out 12 in singles. And at that time, there were a lot of different labels. Steve Rifkin called. Paul called. So we were taking A couple of these Exploratory meetings Like I thought

That might be a good Fit for him Like if M If he did a deal With M Shady Something crazy Would have happened

I swear But I don't know How hard I was Like I don't know I walked away from that So hard I was like How could this not work

But I never felt You know what I'm saying How could this not make sense Like why do you Have to pitch that Nah but I never It's a no brainer I never felt like that. You know what I'm saying? How could this not make sense? Why do you have to pitch that? Nah, but I never... It's a no-brainer. I never felt like that. That's why I guess that independent spirit.

It's bizarre with Sean Price. Damn. But what I'm saying, I didn't leave that meaning feeling anyway. I'm new in the game at that point. So I'm even like, I'm all like, oh, I'm fucked up in the game.

Plus, Rage is Rage. The legend can't get it already. He's already a star. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, fuck. Are you about

to take a drink? Another one. After this conversation, I don't know. Are y'all sponsored by Belair? He drank Tiger Bowl already.

Are you a Belair sponsor? No, not yet. We got the hookup there. No, give us the Moet hookup. Is that already done? No,

no, give us the Moet hookup. We got the hookup. We're going to talk about the Bel Air hook up next. There you go. Nah, I'm good. I'm just saying. I'm going to taste it right over here.

So, hold on, hold on, hold on. So this is where I want to go. Bucktel. The original. Bucktel. Do y'all know how many people y'all got shot? Just don't blow that shit right. Oh, man. Fuck them. Fuck them. Do y'all know how many people y'all got shot? Just don't blow that shit, man. Do y'all know how many people y'all got shot? You know what I mean?

Fuck them. I mean, I think that was in our mind. I think niggas here right now shot niggas. And we were quick. And we just shoot a nigga. Fuck you. We're from the original gun class. Yo, you fucking that tiger.

I'm going to take a shot. Y'all didn't show Miami. Wait, wait, you're going to take a shot? Yeah, I'm going to rock and roll. I'm not actually rockin' alone. Wait, wait, you gonna do a show? Yeah, I'm a rockin' man. I'm a type of dreamer. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I can't even still go by myself. We can't have everybody.

As long as you have yourself, we're gonna let you go. I said, no, no, they did a show. It was actually Black Moon. And they did the joint. Actually, it was actually the, they did, who got the props? Don't say it. What is it?

Put up. Put up. And then the shots went out. Wait a minute. You're going to interrupt when you stop interrupting? Did you see the shot? What's wrong with you, my friend? This is not a shot.

This guy's the worst. Yeah, this ain't a shot, but. This is not a shot. This is a drink. This is a drink. This is a drink. This is a drink. This guy cheat, you get the heel.

Ooh, he's still. That's light, that's light. That's light right there. Oh, we doing Tiger Bowl? Yo, give me a shot of Tiger Bowl. Here we go. Let me give a shot of Tiger Bowl, my brother. All right, so do the table. That's for everybody except for Byrne.

That's for me, God damn it. So listen, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody, I can't lose. Russ, Russ, relax. Russ, listen. I don't know if y'all understand what we do here at Drink Champs. What we do at Drink Champs is we support our legends. And I don't know why Capone has any more shots of anything.

I'm good. This just smells like one of my bing bongs. Because Capone going to sleep on a terrace. You don't see any? And he rich. I'm going to sleep on your heart. What do you call it? I see the last war report check coming.

It's very good good So he's good And his Supreme check too It's horrible He is by far He's nowhere to be found But he's still like the foulest guy in the world But that's my brother And you know what? We celebrate your birthday tonight

That's right Happy birthday We all got to tell our father That's my brother. And you know what? We celebrate your birthday tonight. That's right. Happy birthday. We all got to tell our brothers. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to my brother, Kayam Kapone Holly. Victor Nori Santiago represents for you. I love you since I met you. And we stayed together, and we're going to be together.

And I want you to keep doing what you got to do because you got to do what you got to do. And you got to stop wearing rabbits. But that's okay. I love you. I love you. Give him a kiss. Give him a kiss. Give him a kiss.

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Now let me ask y'all something as a collective As a collective To me, y'all changed the face of hip hop Because y'all was the first people Like Wu-Tang came after y'all Even Master P came after y'all And said they want to contain their music And keep it together

Same label, same priority In my opinion, y'all was the first people to do it Y'all was the first people to say I'm going to maintain And stick together and do what I do Now, was that an attitude That all of y'all developed Or that was just you involved?

That was everybody That's why after One group All of y'all developed, or that was just you and Favre? That was everybody. That's why after one group, we always went back and got the next group. Buck got on, he came back, got Smith from Wesson. Smith from Wesson got on, we went back and got Elder Skelter. Elder Skelter got on, they came back, and they were at OGC. That's why I was the great. That's why they was the fast five.

It was OGC and Helper Skeletor. That was, we was used to being around each other. Like we didn't have the support of, like we didn't have the OGs in the industry giving us jewels. So everything we did, we learned, we was like on the job training. Like Buck was an extremely smart dude.

We on-the-job training. We don't know nothing about media. We on-the-job training. We learned everything. We learned everything. We learned everything. We learned we was doing internet. We was like, yo, we had to come up to the priority to get on the internet and talk to the fans.

Nobody wanted to do that. You know what I mean? Now everybody is on the phone, like, tweeting and texting every five seconds. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we learned from each other, so we was used do that. You know what I mean? Now everybody is on the phone like tweeting and texting every five seconds. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we learned from each other so we was used to that. And when we wasn't

on the road, we was at home. You know what I mean? We was trying to find the best weed spots in Brooklyn and Harlem and the door. You know what I mean?

We was in the home. I was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home.

We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We was in the home. We tore them up. We tore them up. Halsey and Lewis. For what? Halsey and Lewis. For what?

Halsey and Lewis. Downstairs. Headcalf and Wilson. Headcalf and Wilson. You talking about a hot boat? You talking about a hot boat? I see you every week. You know what I'm saying?

Queens niggas? Wait the Brooklyn for the best weed. That's what y'all was doing on Lewis Avenue. Halsey and Lewis. Halsey and Lewis. When I was on Highline 7, that's how I O.Z. and Lewis. O.Z. and Lewis. Yeah, O.Z. and Lewis. When I was on Hot 97, that's how I caught a lot of Queens dudes.

I was like, yo, come around the corner of my house and do a drop. It was at least two times a week I would bump into you and Ray at Body Bag. I ain't gonna lie.

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This nigga, I see this nigga every week while I'm in New York. Like, and we just look at each other like, what you doing here?

What you doing here? Damn, all right, I'm going to see you another time. Because we both there for the same reason. But I just want to keep the team big enough to duck down. Because it was something that really bothered me the other day. I believe the guy that was here earlier, I think he tweeted me and said, when is... No, no, no, no, no.

Who is that? The guy. The guy. He said, when you... You know, the guy. The guy. That guy. That guy.

The other white guy. The other white guy. The other white guy. The guy. You are now white. That's your white guy. The guy. I think it was him

Who tweeted me And they said When are you going to have Duck down on it And you know what I said Are we ready to get buckshot I think it was time for buckshot Can we call him please

Where's the guy I said He's going to call him I said Oh the guy I know you're going to The guy you're talking about I not only wanted to get

Duck down No way I'm going to text him right now But I wanted all of y'all I wanted Hold on I'm gonna relax I wanted all of y'all together

And not only did I want all of y'all together Because I get mad When people mention the greatest labels Of all time And people mention the greatest independent people of all time, and then they don't mention y'all. Like, I personally get mad at that.

I appreciate that. Because it's like, I survived it. I lived it. I seen it. And they're still here. How can you fucking not include them? I mean, we came from a place that raised us

as warriors, man. Going through all the label drama and losing people, casualties of war, contracts and stuff. I guess we develop hard skin, man.

We've always been underdogs. We never look for anything. We always did it ourselves. It started as duck-down management and it went to duck-down records. Like any other team, when we was down, Fab Five was up.

When we got back up, we got back with the Fab Five, so it was just us through the whole thing. We never look for anything, man. I think Drew and Buck was geniuses in the sense that they got it after a while and said, man, we actually can do this ourselves. Once y'all got popping, was there other labels that came into play and said, fuck, duck down, come with us? Of course.

Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Because Drew needs to feel good. I don't know about it. Let's talk about it. Because Drew needs to feel good. I don't know about it. Let's talk about it. Are you the left? I'm the black sheep of this shit. Nah, man.

We was all, like I said, man, we was already groomed, man. Like, we was not, it was, you couldn't, you couldn't take us from, you couldn't take us from our team.

I know I make jokes because even Sean Price made jokes. Sean Price said, I would have left if nobody had offered me a deal. He told me he would take me with him, though. He said, he always would fuck with me. Yes, he always said he was I would have left with nobody. He was offering me a deal. He told me he would take me with him, though. He said, he always would fuck with me. Yes, he always said he was going to take you with him.

You know, if I get that big check, you got to still come and go see that deal. That's why he didn't deal with me. If they didn't want to deal with him, he wasn't dealing with me. You know what's the realest shit for me? When I did my bed, right? It was not a lot of people I could count on.

But I was getting fan mail. I was getting bags of fan mail. I was getting a lot of fucking fan mail. But I got one letter that I was like, I looked at it and was like, no, this can't be real. It was from fucking Rock. And I looked at that shit and said, damn. And he spoke on behalf of all

y'all niggas. Like, yo, I'm speaking on behalf of Doug Downs. Like, yo, my nigga, we riding for you. And I came home and I fucked with you separate. I fucked with you separate. I spoke to you separate. That was the realest shit. It was not. I fucked with you separate. I spoke to you separate.

That was the realest shit. It was not. I didn't get no mail from no limit. I didn't get no mail from Deborah. I didn't get no mail from fucking. I got mail from y'all niggas, man. Let's make some noise for Duck Down, God damn it. For me to come home and make millions and to get

mail from millionaires was the realest shit of my life, For me to come home And make millions And to get mail From millionaires Was the realest shit Of my life, bitch We know the benefit Of that, man That's where we came from We was raised

In the hood Nobody ever knew That nigga Gave me love and jam That's how we hooked up With Pop That shit You know what I mean?

And that's real Cause y'all was fucking With Pop before anybody That's what. And that's real because y'all was fucking with Pop before anybody. That's what it is. The Baby Pop? The Baby Pop? They don't got Baby Pop. They don't got Baby Pop

in Miami, man. Tell me now, buddy. Like, you know, I'm one of the fake Muslim oil niggas. They don't got, they don't got, they got Egyptian

and shit like that. Like, relax. You gotta get, you gotta get, you gotta get the fake Fahrenheit. You gotta have the fake Kelowna, everything. Why everybody not gonna go like the Poles? I don't know.

That's Bizzle. Bizzle started that. Once Bizzle started it, that is selected in here. God damn it. Ducked down his head like a motherfucker. Yo, but how is that? Because it feels like, all right, nah, you know what?

Fuck all that other shit. Young MA. You know what? We got to make the distinction clear, right? Because we're going through a couple of decades of what we've done. Yes. And so along the way, we evolved and we understood that we have to make the distinction, too, between Boot Camp Click and duck down right you can't click is a super group

Comprised of all the artists that we're talking to right now But then duck down as a label still would go on and we distributed a lot of records for some artists that you may not even think We were the distribution company for we put our records from KRS one We put our records from be real-One We put out records from Be Real From Faramunch From Black Rob We've done four records With Static Selector With 9th Wonder With Pete Rock

Shit Talking about it Cutting them checks We evolved into a label A consulting company And a distribution company Because we had to We had to move with the times

It wasn't just going to be about No Young M.A. But see I'm going to be this real careful Because you're going to get me in trouble You see the videos You see the videos. You see the videos. Young M.A. runs through a partnership that we have

where we handle her distribution of marketing. Right now? Right now. But she has her own entity, and we're very careful and respectful of how we present it because she's not technically on Duck Down. But you still get a check from her, though.

Well, we work for her. We work for her. We couldn't even ask her for her. you still get a check from her, though. Well, we work for her. We work for her. We couldn't have asked her what the people wanted, though. That's all right. That's all right. You can't get that. Say that again. You asked what the people wanted.

Look, if you haven't asked, she just went three times platinum on it. Yes. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. So anyway We do that To a subsidiary company Called 3D And that's our Distribution company So now explain that

To upcoming artists Who would like to be down Right We meet a lot of Explain what you're doing For these new artists Because people don't Understand that New artists That's our distribution company. So now explain that to upcoming artists who would like to be down with this company. Right. Explain what you're doing for these new artists because people don't understand that new artists have old school people behind them. And I don't mean to say old school. Right, right. You put a good team together.

Getting up on iTunes is not going to do it for you. A lot of people can go to TuneCore or whatever and think their records up on iTunes. And they're good. You still need a good network of people, experienced people that can go and talk to these people and get you positioning and get you marketing things and brands and different deals and put your strategy together. So that became our role with MA.

And we have incredible success with her and big up to her. She's doing her thing like, we're incredibly proud. She's fully independent? She's fully independent. We handle She's doing her thing. We're incredibly proud. She's fully independent? She's fully independent. We handle her distribution and her marketing. What did you do because I spoke to a couple of

radio people and a couple of radio people told me that you called them and said, how do I move this record along? So we dropped the record. She got the views. Everything was starting to move.

But New York radio wasn't flexed. Flex went on it early. And we had brought her around. I spoke to Flex. I'm sorry. We made many rounds with MA4. Way before she dropped, ooh, she had several videos.

Static can tell you. We brought her to Static's house. We were making our rounds, introducing her to DJs, bringing her everywhere she had to go. And when she caught the record, Flex had already seen it. He went in on the record. He believed in it, and he started to go on it. And literally from Flex supporting his spread to the other DJs.

And a good record is a good record, man. I wish we could take more credit for it and a lot of times even some of our artists around us going yo what did you do who'd you pay what'd you nah like good music sells itself it really does when you're a new artist when you're a legend you're gonna have a great record and then we're happy

you're right and you gotta pay to still Tom's right now because she's shot I'm sorry to cut you off because I want you to continue your shit. But when you're a legend, you have a great record and they'll just be looked over. But if you have

the new artist hype and I believe she had the new artist hype. But she created that hype though. She created it. It was dope as hell. It was dope as hell. She did her thing with it. Yo, what's going on?

Static. Static. You always come on. You started making this shit to a club. Relax, Static. That's how it happened, right? Wait, wait, wait. Generically, I'm about to call him right now,

but generically, like... Who you calling? Buckshot. Yeah, call Buckshot. Call Buckshot. We coming from a place where we... Like, our art, like... Buckshot baby Mars on my hood. What does it say?

No, no. That's a fact. That's a fact. But we brought life to music. Like, we wasn't imitating life. We brought the real life to the beats. You know what I'm saying? So it's like...

Little guys, you're about to get kicked out. Throw it out there. Our biggest fans was dudes from Brownsville. Dudes from Best Style. Dudes that knew the story. I'm from Brownsville. Buck is from Crown Heights. Me and Sean Peters from Brownsville.

East, not East. I used to love from Brownsville. East, not East. I used to love the Brownsville. White Plains. Bushwick. Bushwick. Bushwick. I used to be a Flatbush on a custom. Yeah, Capone used to be straight Jamaican.

Queens. No, no, no. He had the Jamaican belt and all that. Shut up, man. He had the Jamaican belt. He's Flatbush. He's flatbush. Because I used to be like Sam Ruggler. Shut up, man. He's flat, bro. He's flat. Because I see what I saw in Rutland.

You know, you get off Southern. That's where they at. We were there by the junction. Right when it's flat, it's Brownsville. And Southern is Brownsville. And the Jamaican belt, we're wilder clocks. We're clocks on.

Listen, you can't adapt to this right here. This is where she used to go. Tiger Bomb is making me smother. Who knows about messy hands? You know what I mean? That's what we perform in. We throw free shells in here. That's what we perform in.

I'm a Queens problem nigga. Every summer. Every summer we go. I don't want to go free. I don't want to go free. You can get up right now. I already got it. Messy ass somers and all that.

I'm looking higher. Come on. I'll tell you something. That's where we at right now. Bring it up to my man, Suave. Suave. Southside. Southside.

Queens. Okay. So, I'm calling Buckshot. I'm calling Buckshot. Hold on. Hold on. Let me see if I can get Buck on the line. Right.

You're supposed to bring Buck back. He don't hold down on me. Everybody got to be quiet. You got Buckshot. Right. So, they can put it to the mic, sir. In the front, front of the mic. You hear me?

You want live, baby. With the drink, champ. Make some noise for Buckshot. Yo, Buckshot, can you hear me, Buckshot? Can you hear me, Buckshot? Hold. Can you hear me, Buckshot? Hold it, hold it. This your boy, N-O-R-E. Right, what up, Noreen?

What up, what up? It's true, even. I don't know why we're knowing it happened finally, man. That's right. EFN, that's what's going on, my brother. How you doing, my brother? It's nothing good, man. I'm good, man.

I'm back in effect. I'm just okay. We're covering, man. I'm good, man. I'm back in a sec. I'm just over here recovering. But I'm good, though. So we heard... I'm trying to maintain, keep everything in order, you know? We heard that you're fighting a certain thing. That's the reason why you couldn't come out tonight. Do you want to share with the people?

Or you don't have to if you don't want to? I mean, it's a physical condition. You know, a lot of people, people know that the whole, they've been seeing me stand up for, like, the medical marijuana stuff, and then, you know, like, recently, people thought that was a joke, and then,

because I started doing, like, a lot of research into that because of, you know, I heard that it helps with epilepsy. Right. And, you know what I'm saying? Uh, just, you know, I heard that it helps with epilepsy. Right. And, you know what I'm saying? You know, me, you know, that's something that I was diagnosed with, you know, in the early 2000s. And, you know, and it's not, you know, it's a real situation. There's millions of people out there that have the same situation that I know

that they can benefit from a from a voice like me you know saying educating people on at least ways to maintain and also down when they're in situations where they may not have it so this is a situation and not only this but a lot of other physical conditions that people suffer from you know know. It becomes a little after a while when you live a, you see others, I guess, quote, unquote, live a normal, what you call normal regimen, but sometimes you don't know what every individual themselves is dealing with by that cold door. So sometimes, you know, an extra voice on the side will tell you, yo, everything is going to be cool.

Everybody's dealing with something, but no matter what it is, you know, keep pushing forward, maintain, hold your head, maintain your health, you know, don't stress, you know, stay on your regimen, things of that nature, study, study yourself, make sure

you know, because ain't nobody going to do it like you for you, you know, no matter what, you always got to be the one to stay on top of yourself. The entertainment industry is a real, real, real stressful industry. And I know every artist who's been in this game

know it. You know what I'm saying? There's times when I've been on the road, I was like, man, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. But the love of getting on stage is for places at all. You know what I'm saying? So that combination right there

together can become a rush for some people and a heavy load for others. So let me ask you something. Let me ask you something before we get about here. Describe what epilepsy, what is it, get up out here Describe what epilepsy What is it, epilepsy?

Describe what that is What does it do to you? It makes you feel weak? Epilepsy is It's a neurological Disorder Basically Everything that we do In our body, in our daily functions

That should come from our brain You know what I'm saying? Sometimes the average person is, just say you're not that active. People with epilepsy, their nerves are firing extra, extra, extra. So it's like a motherfucker that's just traveling on

extra speed. You know what I'm saying? And with that being the case, sometimes when a body stresses out, when it takes on too much, you know, you lock up. You do what they call,

have what they call a seizure, or you lock up, or, you know, people have different forms of it. Some people look, some people stare, some people may just, you know, lock all the way up. Some people just, you know, some people mumble.

There's thousands of different forms of it out there, but basically it all stems from the same hyperactive nerve cells in the brain. So there's foundations out there, and, you know, people, I'm pretty sure y'all probably seen them and probably walk right by them because people didn't know what that disorder was or how relevant it was

or whatever, but it doesn't show you that. When you donate five, ten cents, ten, twenty cents, a dollar, whatever, that shit goes a long way, man, because I started doing a lot of research in the foundation to that, and it helped.

You know what I'm saying? It helped. Well, Buck, yo, I don't know if you know what I'm saying It helped Wow Well Buck Yo I don't know if you know What's going on right now Right now we saluting The whole Duck Down Legacy right now Yes sir

We here with Juha We here with Miss Sean Price We here with Evil D I'm gonna give you Where you can donate at We here with Tech and Steel

And then Capone Wants you to I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you What incident You forgot about Okay tell me There was a time Tekken still And then Capone Wants you to I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you An incident You forgot about Okay tell me There was a time

When me and you Was in the studio Okay This was a while ago Okay And We was smoking Blacks I think

At the time Me and my dudes And you You was like It was I think you was like You was like This was the first time

Like you was smoking I think it was sticky It was some But first time. And I think it was sticky. But you said blacks, right? You didn't say cracks. Blacks. Yeah. I don't want to turn it. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, don't fuck. Get the blacks on top. And you fell asleep. Uh-huh. And you niggas did something to me, buck? Is this new? You did something to me while I fell asleep, buck? Is this what's going on?

My bad, buck. I'm sorry, buck. But your baby mom's from my hood. Your baby mom's from my hood. You from left rack a little bit. You have left rack, nigga. You from Left Frack, a little bit. Tell them to let you know where you can donate at. You have Left Frack, nigga. Yo, Capone wanted to say something to you.

Hold on. Nah, nah, nah, nah. This is Pone. What's up, baby? What up, what up, what up? Hey, Sid. Yo, I just want you to let the people know where they can donate at, you know, to epilepsy and all that. Nice. that, you know, to epilepsy and all that. Right. I mean, if you get a chance to, if you get a chance to, there's something called the Epilepsy Foundation.

Actually, there's two, but I got a, there's an Epilepsy Foundation. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. Google it. It's an epilepsy foundation of... of... of... of... of... of... of... of... of... of...

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So, you know, and just, you know, it don't even have to be this. It could just be any other foundation that, because, again, we're just being in a situation where you just, you could be in a hospital, man, for a broke leg, and you see all the, you just see all the misfortunes of life going. You know what? You know, life is a precious thing, man. Facts. That's right, that's right. Appreciate it, love it, and live it,

or live it out, man. That's why, again, man, you see, look, man, it's ducked down for life. Ducked down? Yeah. Ducked down for life. You see, Look, man It's ducked down for life Ducked down? It's ducked down for life You see, when the men come and ask you We one of the last Mohicans That man must have crushed down so many other labels, right?

Right That's what we're getting to tonight We're bigging y'all up Y'all the New York niggas originated fucking with Pac Pac gave y'all the most love Y'all the original bad boy Pac gave y'all the most love out of New York. Y'all the original bad boy. Pac gave y'all the most love. The original death row.

Then Pac got the love. Yo, hold on. Which one of y'all had the love of the Pac? All right. Which one of y'all? Hold on. All right, hold on, hold on. Let's finish with Buck and then we're going back.

Come on. Yo, Buck. Niggas don't even know. He went in there. He went in there. He went in there. Yo, Buck. Yo Buck Yo Buck I just want to thank you so much my brother We want you to get well soon

And you already know Drink Champs we're all about Bigging up our legends and we need you on here Someday once you get well We want you back we want you on here And we want to say thank you so much, my brother. Yeah, what's up? What's up?

Peace, Sean Price, y'all. Yes, rest in peace, Sean Price. That's right. All right, one love, my brother. Peace. Peace. So now, I hate to go to this. So I hate to, after this great call,

after we have the beautiful Miss Sean Price here, after we have all this, I hate to go to this. So I hate to, after this great call, after we have the beautiful Miss Sean Price here, after we have all this, I hate to go to this question, but I have to ask this question. Go for it. Go ahead. How the fuck did y'all

catch beef with Biggie Smalls? I was waiting for that one. I wasn't there. I was at Hot 97. Is that your way of getting out of this one? No, I was actually at Hot 97. That's me too. I was gone. 97. Is that your way of getting out of this one? No, I was actually at Hot 97.

I was gone. Didn't it make somebody like you in the video? No. I was at Hot 97. I was on the plane. That was the opposite. Nobody ever asked you about that. Nobody ever asked you about that.

Nobody ever asked you about that. Hold on, tell me. It ain't about asking about it. That's just, that was my nigga from long time. Like, big from the style

from the style is my brother. And, it was just a miscommunication, a misunderstanding what happened. And,

you know what I mean? It was over get money? Nah. Nah, it wasn't, it wasn't over that. It was deeper than that? Nah. Nah, it was over get money. Nah. Nah, it wasn't over that. It was deeper than that? Nah.

Nah, nah, nah. It was just something that wasn't even supposed to go down the way it went down. It was just hotheads against hotheads, youngins against youngins. And then the way it got, niggas threw water on it and the fire was put out and that was it. Media. But y'all actually made a video Media Dudes had We can't forget that

Dudes had that chorus Sorry That Get Money chorus Dudes recorded that song Yeah Dudes recorded that song So We had that song

OGC had that song already Original Gun Clappers Original Gun Clappers, right Yes When we went to the Palladium That night We saw Biggie performing it So it automatically already original gun clappers original gun claps right yes when we went to palladium that night we saw biggie performing it so it automatically the youngest was like oh they you know stole my joint

you know what i mean so they had a song called get money no they had a song with that with that chorus i could be asking which nobody owned that that's somebody else's lyrics, really. But in that climate, you know what I mean? That climate, that Palladium climate. And then you got the label. The label was always looking for the juice, where they could find the juice at. And, you know, the label fed the fuel to that. And the producers was DJ Clark Kent and Eazy LP. Yeah, LP was a label.

Clark Kent was Y'all producer and LP was Biggie's producer? L-P was the... Come on, what a car. This nigga related. You're like, damn, this nigga know it all. You do know the story. Listen, you know the story. I actually don't.

I know pieces of the story. You told us the story. So you know the fucking story. I'm sure you know what I'm trying to talk about. He was not nothing to talk about. He was not nothing to talk about. He was here to get your motherfucking opinion. There's not nothing to talk about.

Chill out. Chill out. There's not nothing to talk about. Like I said, Big was my nigga, and these are my family, these are my niggas. I'm a bad-ass nigga from birth to the death. Big was my nigga for life. It's still Junior Mafia. I still fuck the C's and all

the ones. Welcome home, money, and welcome home, T-Gunner, and all them niggas. So it don't have to be coming up for that shit that niggas don't know about. If you don't know about it, then you wasn't there. You don't need to know about it. Yeah, I understand that, and I respect that to 100%, but

you know, what we do is we just pick on hip-hop history. Yeah, I understand, I respect what you do, but certain shit and certain things, my niggas don't know. No, I mean, we can talk about it without disrespecting. At the end of the day, this is hip-hop history. True. So sometimes we have to talk about things that

the wound is already healed. This is the wound right here, Tech. You see that? I understand that, but intention. But everybody's intentions is a good intention. The thing about it is Big A here to clarify it. So I would prefer

y'all clarify it. Even if y'all were the victors or not the victors. But the thing is, the thing is, we have to address this because we were, I was in D&D when I felt the pressure. I felt the

pressure where I'm like, they're like, yo, you can't go there. I'm like, why? They're like, because, you know, Vegas on one side. I'm like, well, okay. And they're like, and then ducked down on the other side. And I'm in the middle, I'm in, well, okay. And they're like, and then... Ducked down is on the other side. And I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle.

And we're primo. We doing our shit with primo. And then we heard some shit. And the thing about it is, I ain't trying to gel on negativity in case you thought... In case you're thinking that. But the thing about it is...

No, but the thing about it is, this is for the fans. Sometimes the fans know. Sometimes they don't know. Sometimes they do know. Sometimes they don't know. And sometimes they don't need to know. Yeah, but you know what?

You ain't kill big. You ain't kill big. You know what I'm saying? So that's what they need to hear. So what they need to hear is you say that. They need to hear you say, you know what, it was a misunderstanding. I don't have no problem with that. I would be riding through the hood on my motorcycle, on my motorbike,

on my motorbike, pedal bike, whatever, but even driving through the hood in my car, they would pull up on me, yo, park, and get in my car. We would go uptown to every weed spot, shut the weed spot down for at least two hours. No weed being sold in a drug spot because me, Big,

Money L is up in there or D-Rock is in there for literally an hour and change. Then come back to the block. So are you saying, and I'm sorry, I'm going to get a little deep. So are you saying when the beef actually did happen with Big, you was in like, damn, what is this going on? So describe that moment. That's what I'm asking.

Describe that moment. Because I heard, this is what I heard from the streets, that Get Money was a duck down record. Big came into the studio, he heard it, and he just like, fuck it. I'm going to just do... But he did a different version of it. It wasn't y'all version, but it was the same basis.

And he felt like he didn't even talk to y'all. And is that where the beef started for him? I'm sorry. It wasn't no beef,'m sorry It wasn't no beef Just you know the problem Through all that What caused the Escalation of the shit

Was the videos Because there was no communication So when you lack communication You lack understanding When there's no communication, you have three parts and three entities saying, oh, well, why son, or why

but big, that's your man. Is that when Pac, because then Pac No, Pac wasn't even in the picture. Pac wasn't even in the picture. Pac embraced y'all. I don't think that really had nothing to do with it. Because Pac was down with y'all anyway.

Yeah, when Pac was locked up, me, Big, and Pac, all three of us is Geminis. So that was our bond that we had anyway. June and May. I'm a Gemini. I'm a Gemini. All right. The father's nature.

The fatherest nation. The proudest nation. The proudest nation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The proudest nation. But that was always our bond. The proudest. Fuck all that. We have to end our neutrality. We've been good.

End our neutrality. Continue, continue, continue. But no, that was always our bond that we had. Pac wasn't even in the picture. Pac had nothing to do with it. The Owls had nothing to do with it. The Owls had nothing to do with it. But the thing is, I just want to, and look,

you know you my nigga. You know y'all my niggas. But I just want to address it for hip-hop history because at the end of the day, I'm not coming at this as Nori. I'm coming at this as a fan. Y'all guys came in the game before me. And me outside looking in, that's how I looked. It looked like big and y'all guys came in the game before me. Dig it. And me outside looking in, that's how it looked.

It looked like Big and y'all had problems. It looked like y'all did a video. But when I investigated. It looked like we did a video. When I investigated. Even in the middle of that, me and Big were still in the hood fucking with each other. But that's the part that people don't know about. That's why we need you to talk about it.

It's to this day. Bang. We be fucking with each other. But that's the part that people don't know about. That's why we need you to talk about it. That's what C's and all of them, you know, they all know that. They know, it's to this day, bang, C's and all of them be like, yo, Tech, that nigga Big really loved you. And it was, the feeling was mutual. That was my brother. Okay, but can we address the situation? Was it, because I think you was about to explain it. Did y'all play big to get money record?

No, no, no. The record was The OGC record Right And it's like That's our little brothers So You know what I mean

They told you that Big heard this hook I don't know how he got to How did they start Taking personal with it How did they take Personal with it Like I said

It was a lack of communication That was there The video was made And nobody Until that was there. The video was made. I'll take that. And nobody, until that day came up when this was happening, and we got the call. I was in the same studio night you talking about. Big, like, yo, call Tech to the phone.

He called you. Me and Big is on the phone. Like, Tech, what's the matter? It's out of my hands. I'm like, yo, Big, we ain't never. They was supposed to kick this ass man to man. And dude's like, yeah, you right, but look where we at now. That's why shit didn't go down.

Let me say this, bro. Let me say this. The way shit could have really went down. This is just my opinion. I could be super fucking wrong with this one, right? Okay. Like, you got these young kids that's on a label, right? And when you get, like, you have the backing of these these industry people like the industry knows if it bleeds it leads they

want you to have drama they think if they think if we can show this image it may look good for you for your for your track record so you goddamn right that shit played a part in it these these kids wasn't going yo we got beef with big we want to set it with, that was, nobody was talking about that shit. It's like, yeah, yeah. So it's like, okay, how can we capitalize on this shit? So this is where the industry comes and it swoops down and take

your babies. And next thing you know, you can't even walk up the block because you said a rap and all that. So that's where the miscommunication is at because we should have talked to the homie. That wasn't, it was like none of us felt like that.

You know what I mean? This is where all of the, this is where all of the directors come in and they start giving their little two cents. They say, well, let's bring in this guy.

Let's bring in a lookalike of this guy. Let's bring in a Martel Jordan guy. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we not thinking,

yo, we're going to do this in a video. And when this in the video and when we saw the video when we saw it going down I don't think nobody felt comfortable with I'm not gonna lie the means guy as a queen's got and I'm gonna be honest that's the worst thing that we did in our career I was the biggest duck down I was the biggest thing that happened like I you know I have fights for y'all in jail I just started to say I know like I have fights for y'all in jail Just so y'all know I had fights for y'all I had fights

Real fights And when I see The big The mockery video I never understood that And I'm a Queens nigga And I only fought for y'all. Nah, that's a big.

That's it. In jail. And I fought for all of them. And then when y'all started beefing, I was like, damn, I didn't understand what was happening. It was nothing to understand. So part of the reason why I'm asking ain't even because I'm a journalist. Fake journalist. Nah, man.

You know what I'm saying? Because I want to know. For yourself, you didn't understand. I don you know what I'm saying? I want to know. For yourself, you didn't understand. I don't even, I don't know where people don't know about beef. It never makes sense

when they say that. It went wrong from a lack of communication. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Yo, you live on the podcast, nigga. We got eight million people listening. Say what's up, brother.

Yo, what up, what up? What's good, man? What's up? It's my brother. Excuse me. No. We're gonna edit that. We're gonna edit that.

Yo, I love you, my brother. No doubt, son. Yo, yo, my nigga, I've been writing you since you was eight years old in the pen. You was eight years old. I always, goddammit, I was writing you, nigga. Goddammit. And you still got an iPhone. old in the pen is old now we got there and I'll write you there god damn and you still got used to the iPhone 7 god damn it god damn it makes

it I love you shit Who keep showing his Jordans? You got no Jordans. You got no Jordans in the suit. I got you. Little section two, nigga. Thank you, man. Thank you. Yo, you know we love you, nigga.

When you come home, you good. We're going to give you an executive job. You okay. Yo, yo, yo, yo, Rich, Rich, Rich, come on, come on Come on, hold on, hold on, the camera's not on you Relax, let's get him, let's get him Now the camera's on you Aw, look at that, you got him?

You got him, he's home Look, look, bitches You gotta give him your pussy as soon as he come on Give him your pussy Give him your pussy That Just give him your pussy. That's my nigga. That's my nigga room. I grew up with him.

Mr. Cool. Helped raise me. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It's pops. And now, you know. I haven't seen Woo. Oh, shit.

And your wife texts you, too. Get your life together. Get your life together. you, too. Get your life together. Get your life together. Yo, listen. Get your life together. Yo, listen. Yo, listen. I'm so sorry.

It got a little hard to control. I don't get it, bro, man. I don't get it, bro. But listen. The bottom line of the story is this. The bottom line of the story. Did that affect your relationship with the M.I.P.? No. It couldn't have. It couldn't have. Because the M.O.P.? No.

It couldn't have. Because M.O.P. was on the other side. They from Brownsville. M.O.P. was the nigga from the hill. I think everybody was kind of like. It was just Brooklyn. On a little tilt. It fucked up Brooklyn.

It fucked up. That's what I'm saying. Why would you have a Brooklyn nigga So you just said that was one of the worst things you ever did? Right. Was that you or that was you? I said that. You said that?

Why do you feel like it was one of the worst things you ever did? Because you felt like you couldn't let it go? I don't think it was a, it was a, I think we should have As for me Like I look at my little homies I'm like alright I'm gonna ride with my little homies You know what I'm saying

And you can give them But so much information But I'm sorry To ask you deep with that What did your little homies tell What did they say It's their It's their

This is their project Okay This is their thing And they came to you And said I can thing They felt like big Heard their shit and bit it I mean I would just say this

They expressed some Dissatisfaction with that This being their first time out This is their thing They want to come out They want to make a little splash So if they hear somebody Performing a song that they know they just finished creating in the studio,

obviously they're going to be a little bit uncomfortable about that. Because that's exactly how I heard it. I'm just saying, as an industry person. I don't know if these guys heard the song there, but you already know D&D was a hub, man. Anybody can go on there. Everybody was in different sessions, different people's sessions. But how I heard it was somebody said,

Big walked into one of your sessions. He heard it. He heard the record. And then all of a sudden, he had EZLP, who is also my producer, and pull it up.

And I almost want to say I asked EZLP that, and he said, it was exactly how it happened. Yeah, because he was almost to a point where Nance was dug in under the controls booth. So that's how it was going down like that. But it didn't escalate to that. Because at that moment, it was like, yo, let me talk to her, let me talk to.

So did y'all actually work out the beat before he died? I like to think we did, yeah. That last little phone call, yeah, because it was times that, like I said, I'm from the South, so I would be right there on the block. You got to go back to Brownsville in East New York. I'm the only one from the South, right. So it was times when Big was out of town and me and Cee's,

and we'd be right there and Big called. Like, yo, check it out. It was like, yo, where? Like, I'm meeting the families of all these guys. And we're like, yeah, like, shh. I know what could happen and what's going to happen. But I'm, you know what I mean? So it's still there with our relationship

as far as me and Big's relationship is cool, and me and my family relationship is still cool. But like I said, it felt like it fucked up Brooklyn because it was Brooklyn niggas going against other Brooklyn niggas. It was style niggas, and it was always a beef between the Vail and the style. Is that why you already enrolled?

Is that why you got the Mike Tyson tattoo? You want to tell? You just bring the broken together? This is just my warrior shit. This is my warrior shit. You ever seen Predator? That's not Tyson brother shit? Y'all got the same shit. Like, you ever seen Predator once? That's not Tyson brother shit? No, no, Tyson got the other shit.

Y'all got the same shit. Y'all got the same. It's Tyson-esque. I feel like he got a weird warrior. But now it's this sort of like, maybe like a week or a month before. Maybe like. Y'all said we gonna fuck the game up. You know what I'm talking about?

I ever spoke to Tyson. Like, I used to bump into Mike, like, when I was a real, real little nigga when he would shut down the stores on Belmont and everybody get a V-Goose bomber or leather shit. Yeah, yeah. Shut it down. This was in the field.

That was the only time I would bump into Tyson and he'd be like, y'all little niggas like... Why you with Tyson voice? Because I always was told I had the Tyson voice. That's why I never used to touch him. Just used to beat niggas up. Because I used to box.

That's why I was security for still. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, but, um... What was we talking about? Tyson Tyson Oh no no no Tyson

Tyson Tyson You good sis The actual first time I bumped into Tyson Was when I used to train In In Marcus Garvey

Boxing gym Tyson and Riddick Bowe Used to come through there We had the champion Mark Breland Sweet Pea Used to come through there And I met Tyson in a This was way

This was right before Right during the time he was training in the cat scales So let me ask Thank you so much Hold on relax You acting like it's your birthday I'm going to take one of these Put my shit in

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I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. I die. Welcome to Play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play.it. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. What's up with some Tupac? That's annoying what he's doing right now.

What's up with that? What's up, man? Tupac. What's up, man? What you Tupac? That's annoying what he's doing right now. Tupac! What's up, man? Tupac. What you doing? Shout out to Capone. Shout out to Capone. Happy birthday. You're absolutely correct.

We need to talk Tupac, bro. Let the tiger bones set for one second. Hold on. We spoke about big. You got to talk about Tupac. Relax. Yo, you took my fucking mic away. This nigga keeps saying I'm black.

Yo, you and Charlie got blacks. Relax. Yo, hold it in. I started a new group. Why don't you call it C&E? C&E. All right, so C&E, that's what I'm saying. The niggas that can't hang. Hold it in. Hold it in. C&E started a new group. I'm just watching. I'm just watching the sidelines.

That shit takes like a minute. B.A.P.D. is not on the news. I'm drinking. The niggas that came close. Shut the fuck up. Yo, Nori, let me ask you a question. I'm not on the base. I'm drinking. The thing is that came close. Shut the fuck up. Yo, Nori, let me ask you a question. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

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How was it? Hot ones? No, we have to switch now. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I was going to ask a question. What you got to do? Relax. When he was ask the question. What you gotta do? What you gotta do? Relax. When he was on the hot ones, they was eating them hot wings,

and after every wing, they was taking shots of time. What is hot ones? See, um, nah, the thing about it was, the thing about it was, I watched hot ones for two years straight,

so I knew exactly what it was gonna do when it was I watched Hot Ones for two years straight. So I knew exactly what it was going to do when it was going to do it. So I tried to bring Tiger Bone to offset it, but I was wrong. Tiger Bone was hot already. How can you offset hot wings? Hot sauce. That only made it worse. And then they love it. The highest on the Scoville was like,

you know, when we was in Miami, I told him I put Nori on to the Tiger Bar. Yeah, he did tell me this. That's a lie. That's not a lie. That's not a lie. You put me on the Tiger Bar? That's a lie.

He told me the entire story. We was going to Juicy's for life. We was buying liquors life And you know what You're right Listen I know where you're going You're right But the problem was I was drinking Tiger Bone

From 125th in Madison That's what I'm saying Prior to that No no no Not juices like The pro Not juices like You're talking about

124th in Madison Thank you brother But I used to drink Tiger Bone Around the corner for 120 You talking about around the corner Around the corner so I already drink it But you're right You did tell me

You're right, you did tell me You know we fuck with this But I already was used to it But I never say you're a tiger I've been fucking with you Because you my man Because you OG But I never say attack. I've been fucking with you. This is a bandwagon. Because you my man. You my OG at the end of the day. I've been discredited.

You ain't gonna get it to me. You're gonna save some around here. At the end of the day. We appreciate the explanation. I remember that. It was great. We was rolling in the back of the yard. He had the Newport piece on. I remember that. I remember this. It was great. It was great. We was growing in the back of the yard. Yep.

He had the Newport piece on. Yeah, I remember that. I said, what the fuck is this shit? Yep. Yeah. And it was about Trey and Change. That was awesome. Drink this shit, man.

Babe. What's this? No, he's not lying. He's not lying. Not at one point. He lied. He's not lying. He's not lying. He's not lying. At one point, he lied. He's not lying. He's not lying.

But now, let's go back to Sean. Let's go back. Let's go back to Sean Price White. Nonsense. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait a minute. We're going to go serious right now. We're going to go serious right now. So, Sean, other than smoking cigarettes, we don't know why is Sean gone.

I'm sorry, sis. I don't know why Sean is gone either. Because nobody can answer this question. I will tell you that Sean suffered with sleep apnea. And now, what is sleep apnea? Sleep apnea is when you snore and your heart stops beating. Sometimes you stop breathing. Yeah. While you're sleeping.

While you're sleeping. All right, so who's going to explain it? I think all of us have sleep apnea that lives its life. No, one had it. I mean, maybe not everybody, but a lot of us. Why don't you talk about it? No pun had it. I mean, maybe not everybody, but a lot of us. I mean, I talked about it back. I talked about it because, like, it was one day I was just talking a pun,

and the pun was just... No, that's an epileptic. That's an epileptic. Oh. Which is different. Sleep apnea is why you sleep. Sleep apnea is the same thing. Sleep apnea is the same thing. I believe I have sleep apnea. I can say it because I experienced it.

It's when your heart stops beating for 30, 40, 60 minutes. Yeah, it can kill you. There's three stages to it. But you don't know. I'm talking about knock-on oxygen. There's different degrees of it. There's different degrees of it. That's what I'm saying. It's oxygen stages to it. But you don't know. I'm talking about knock-knock. No, there's different degrees of it. No, knock-knock. Knock-knock. That's what I'm saying.

It's oxygen to the brain. That's sleep apnea. Basically. Oh, yeah. You all right, bro? How you doing? You're relaxing. You're going to relax me if you're relaxing you.

Where are you going? This guy tells me to relax. There's two shows. You got water. This is never coming. This is not me. This is not me to relax. There's two shows. You got water. All right, so sleep apnea. What it is? No more cups. No, you're not.

No, you're not. No, you're not. Count from ten backwards. Let her talk, man. One. Did you go from ten backwards? Ten, nine, eight, seven, 5, 4, or 1? 7, 6, 5, 4, 1.

Yo! Yo, you heard the pattern. I'm feeling what the cadence is. That's okay. I'm with you two, and you're with me. Absolutely. That's okay. That's status-elected.

Say it with status-elected. Right there. That's right. I'm going to say this, man. When Sean passed, I know he was the first person to call that I talked to right after, immediately. I was so hurt.

He was one of firsts, man. I was so hurt. Let me tell you something about Sean Price. I get cut off all the time. I met Sean Price. I knew who he was. I definitely did. He gave me a certain amount of love

and he just kept, he had hit me and he was like, nigga, I like you funny. He was slumlord. I'm slum? He's slum, so god damn it. You know our relationship. So he said, I'm slum.

I'm not saying he's Slumlord. He called other motherfuckers Slumlords. Slumlord has a whole new meaning. And I will explain that after the album drops. So he hit me and I was just like, damn. And I love this nigga so much. But I wanted to spread it to the industry because I knew that he was suffering the

same thing that I was suffering during the CNN album. As far as what? Creation, you mean? I just felt like, listen, listen. He's right here. I'm glad. I'm glad he's right here. Say it. I remember I had sampled something called Don't Let It Go To Your Head.

Brand new. I had sampled it on the War Record album. Pone came to the studio and said, that's hard. I'm going to lay a verse right now. Traz came to the studio and said, that's whack. And Pone said,

it's right, it's whack. Oh, he cheated, man. Pone. I don't know. What the fuck, man? I don't know. What? He said trash? Could I be? No, but I'd rather.

He was right. Trash was right. Did you hear me? Trash? No, he was right that it didn't fit with the word. Oh, yeah, because Ben Rubin was off the chain. No, no, his wording was wrong. Right, at that moment. Yo, look, the way he expressed it was wrong. Right. At that moment. He should have said, yo, look.

The way he expressed it was wrong. He could have said, it don't fit what y'all doing at the moment. Right. But he didn't. He just said it was whack. Right. And then when Pone came, Pone said, all right, well, that was trash, sis. And then he was like, all right, cool.

All right, cool. That's what led me to, I got to go sober. Once he go to jail, I knew he was going to jail anyway. Oh, wow. What's the kid in this? I knew he was going to jail. No, I'm saying, look, for the record, look, look, look. Listen, listen, listen.

Look, look, we got two cameras. I want to come back. I want to come back. Hey, I want to stand in front of him. Paul, Paul, come back. We're talking shit about you. We're talking shit about you. We're talking shit about you. No, I'm not.

No, we're not. We are. Look, at one time, at one time, at one time I heard, um, stop talking shit about me. At one time I heard Traj wrote your verse for, uh, what was it? Traj ain't right now. T-O-N-Y? Is it T-O-N-Y? He's big, Indian style, he's Wilder. Is it T1 Wilder? He's big.

Indian style. He's military. Is that true? Let me tell you something. I got this. Shut up. Relax. Oh, shit. Relax.

Brad stole our partnership. Let me tell you one thing. Let me tell you one thing. That's how that works. Hold on. Relax. Relax. Relax. Can we not talk about tragedy? I don Relax. It's going back. Relax. Relax.

Can we not talk about tragedy? Because I don't want to hear about it. No, no, no. Listen, listen. You're cool with it. You're obviously cool with it. I ain't fucking cool with him. No.

I don't want to hear about it. You're absolutely not cool with it. You don't keep it real. Damn. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Now, one thing about Nori that people always got the idea that somebody wrote this.

It's not about bite your tongue, just chill out. I can never write. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not saying nothing. Got an idea. I don't know what y'all saying. Listen,

I can't even fathom to write some shit that he write. I can't. I can't even fathom to write some shit that he write. I can't even begin to think about this shit. You know what I'm saying?

That shit is not going to happen. So for a nigga to think that I ever wrote or Traj ever wrote or he wrote some shit for me, he can't rap like me. I can't rap like him. That's't rap like him. That's what makes us special. Like, in certain groups,

I'm not taking nothing away from Kiss and The Locks and just the chemistry him and Styles P got, but you can put a book down sometimes and say, I don't give a fuck who wrote it. It sounds the same.

Like, it's no differential. But that don't take nothing away from Styles and Jada. But with me and this nigga, come on. That's not going to happen. Like, for a nigga to think that, for a nigga to think that, that's coming up with you. Sit down, bro. Sit down. It's not that a nigga

thought that. That's the talk. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. I got this. Let me explain and I'm going to give you the shit. Here's how that rumor started. When this

album came out, The War Report, I had no idea what publishing was So when I signed For $5,000 We both signed for $5,000 I got you I got you I spent all my money on the motherfucking Averax I banned Fox and Brown because of that. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I had Foxy Brown in Queensbridge for a week, man. Behind the eight-marked cowboy hat, man. Foxy Brown was missing from the firm for a week. Now it's going to say, bring her back, man. Bring her back, man. I got AZ calling me, Megan calling me. Just talk. Every day. Every day. group do your partner ever get you to that point you'd be like i can't say shit just talk every day every day here's what happened here's what happened me and this nigga this nigga had a deal already when he had the deal before war report i'm not i'm in jail still he me and him met I'm in jail still.

Me and him met each other in jail. Right. So when I came home, he said, fuck it, let's do it together. We did it together. What's that? What are y'all doing? What's going on over there? I was running out of homies. My dead homies.

What happened is that... What's going on over here? My dad homie. So what happened? What happened is this. I had nothing to go. I don't know what I want. But Traj stole our property. He didn't tell us. That's whack. But y'all already knew that. Y'all already knew that. Me saying that Traj stole our property But y'all already knew that. Reggie O'Shea.

Reggie O'Shea. Y'all already knew that. Our lawyer said this was a good deal. Reggie O'Shea. But did y'all know trash before that? Listen, Reggie O'Shea did the deal. Listen, let me tell you, we got

$20,000 for events. I'm learning some stuff here. Wait, wait, wait. wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, wait. Did you know Traj before? Of course. I've been Traj my whole life. Okay.

The reason why, the reason why, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. The reason why we even got in a situation was because of me. I was up north. I was getting money. My man, Wonderful, was trying to rap. He sucked. I'm going to nick this in the bud.

He sucked. He was one of them, fuck you, bitch-ass nigga, motherfucker. I'm killing your mother. I'm shooting your motherfucking ass. He was one of them niggas. He thought he was dope. He thought he was dope, but he had that guapalena. Right.

I was hustling with him. He said, yo, Pone, I'm going to the studio. I said, word? But mind you, he was in Troy, New York. So he gets to the studio. So rest in peace. Jam Master Jay there. Jail felony.

Everybody know Jail Felony? In Troy? Yeah. No, this is in New York. This is at Jail. He's the fuck with my man Rest in peace Face on Virginia Listen this is the same studio

Where Jam Master J Got killed at Oh okay So Jam Master J Like Trash like My man Wonderful Like yo

My man Sit right here Sit right here One second Jam Master J Like yo Trash like yo My man Wonderful

Like yo I fuck with Capone So Trash like Oh I know Kyan He from the hood He busts his like, yo, my man Wonderful, like, yo, I fuck with Capone. So Trash is like, oh, I know Kyan. He's from the hood. He busts his gut, whatever, whatever. So my man Wonderful, like, yeah, he up top with me. So he put me and Trash on the phone. I'm going to let this in the bar real quick.

Trash calls me. Yo, what are you doing? I'm up north. I'm getting money. Come down. I said, all right, fuck it. I can't do it. Maybe can't.

Whatever. I call up Crackhead. Crackhead brings me down. I said, alright, fuck it. I can't do it, baby. I call a crackhead. Crackhead brings me down. I get to the studio. We all freestyle. Me, J.O. Felony, Traj. J.O. Felony. Oh, J.O. Master J.

J.O. Master J. J.O. Master J. doing the cuts. He's doing the cuts in the booth. So, Traj's like, I don't even know you, Karan. I'm like, I didn't know I'm Karan. Like, good enough for you to say I'm Karan. Like, I don't know. So, make a long story short, Trash is like, yo, I want to fuck with you. I'm like, I bet.

He's like, you got to stop selling drugs. That's not going to happen. You give me something where I can stop selling drugs, and that's going to happen. So a few weeks, a few months after that, this nigga comes home. Hold it. We said trash. Trash. Trash.

So I got to stop selling drugs. I said, that's not going to happen. You give me something where I can stop selling drugs. So then you don't bring nothing to the table. And all that process, I'm going to skip a whole way. I'm going to skip to me and him because in that process, you know, I meet Faith Newman, you know, who signed Nas, who signed the Fugees. We living with her.

She got the house in Midtown with the pool and the basement and all. We doing it up. So now he comes home. Now, Faith, like, I got you to deal with Columbia. Just chill. It's me and my man Big L. Me and Big L at the same time,

we roll dogging. So I'm like, I bet. She's like, I'm going to get you and Big L tight. So me and Big L like, yo, we good. All in Big L? All in Big L. So now we like, yo, we about to get on, nigga. So me So me big L like we roll and we roll dogs We like yo nigga we got a faith Newman got us and we fucking with but negative 10 dog This is the A&R Tim Dog. I just came on. I'm about to get to the podcast. This is Uptown Tim Dog. We'll introduce Jodeci.

No, you're still locked up. You didn't come home yet. You didn't come home yet. Not at all. Not at all. This is butt naked Tim Dog. Butt naked Tim Dog. Guess who fuck with Jodeci and Lost Boys?

Guess who got them? They there. That's what they said. With y'all suit in them. You know what I mean? So now they like, oh shit, they like my shit, right? So I do a song called Get the Cream. So it's get the

cream, it's the only ride. So now they're like, we gotta hit. My dumb ass, I let LES hear it. That fuck with Nas, one of my projects, he gives it to AZ. AZ makes Sugar Hit.

It's the only ride. I'm like, I'm a shooter at the time. These niggas still think like AZ. AZ makes Sugar. Sugar hits. Oh. He's all right. I'm like, I'm a shooter at the time. These niggas still think like, he's not a rapper, he's a shooter. So now, we go in the studio.

You're right. So now, we go in the studio, so we like, we're going to come up with another record. Like, so I'm like, all right,

fuck it, whatever, make a long story short, this nigga comes home. So now, I'm telling Trash, like, yo, fuck it. My man is home. But mind you, we're not on no rap shit. We're just in the

studio. He comes to my session. We're in my session and I'm rapping. He's like, yo, son, you know I get busy, right? I'm like, what? He's like, I'm like, fuck it. Let's do a record. Nigga, that's my brother. That's what we're supposed to do. First of all, let me know we never around together, but I skipped the point. I never in jail. We never around, nigga. We never around, nigga.

But I skipped a point. I took him shopping. Y'all was in the same house together. I took him shopping. Bought a mad Tommy Hilfiger shit. Definitely don't remember that part. Yeah. Hilfiger shopping.

You know, you gotta stand up. You gotta stand up. This one, niggas got robbed. The niggas got thrown in the pool or hot coals. So when you was locked up when he came through the house that y'all was in

together yeah yeah so now look look look I'm going back so now so we go in the studio so now I'm like

fuck it let's do a song together this was our first song Panama Canal my team put keys to Panama Canal plus and I put styles sipping on Chris Styles

that's why Jada, remember when Jada stepped to us. I don't like that Jada has that

record. I don't even know how you got that record. I don't even know.

Jada stepped to us like my team pushed keys to the I'm like how the

fuck you even know about that? How you even know about that record? So

Megalov gave him the record So, now, we gonna skip We gonna skip over So, now, Trey's like, yo, y'all niggas is like Like, like, brother and toast Y'all night and day So, we like, fuck it, we gonna do it together

And then from there, we signed our soul to the devil You dig what I'm saying? Trey, see what will happen And then we did Stretch Armstrong Stretch Armstrong to the devil. You did what I'm saying? Try to see what will happen. And then we did Stretch Armstrong. Stretch Armstrong made us. Yo, we did

LA, LA for the bad boy mixtape. And Puck didn't want to use it. Stretch Armstrong said, we'll do it ourselves.

He went to his father and got $20,000. He shot the video and put the record out himself. I sound like Juha. And you know what? At the end of the day, no, but he didn't go to his father, but that's what made us.

And Trash, we got the deal, and Trash took all our fucking money. But we thought $5,000 was a lot. That's like, he would be talking for a month. Yeah, you gotta talk to him. He would be talking. Say that in a room. Say that. Say that be tough for him, I say. He would be tough. Say that, say that,

say that. Oh! Oh, I'm sorry. Yo, wait, LA came out, Cats was mad at me. I was all hot at the time. They was like,

yo, you know what I'm saying? Yo, them niggas had to pay you under the table or something. I'm like, nah, this is a good record.

This was a good record. And that's one thing I will say, like, Because you was playing it, they thought, Yeah, because I was playing it a lot. I think the first thing I will say, like... Because you was playing it, they thought... Yeah, because I was playing it a lot.

I think the first time I got it, I played it twice on the show. New York, New York was being played a lot. Yeah. The original one.

But I took... But see, the thing about it was, yeah, I took... I took New York, New York off. Right. And I started playing LA, LA,

because I'm New York. Yeah. And, you know, one thing about me, like, I represent New York. You know, I'm New York. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, one thing about me, like I represent New York. You know, I don't have nothing against nobody,

but it was... And you didn't know us at the time. I didn't know them. I didn't know them. It was called East Coast, West Coast Beat. It was just...

Quietly, it was East Coast, West Coast Beat. Y'all wasn't really dissing. It was just, you know what it was? They weren't really dissing us, but we didn't, we couldn't tell

or didn't know, so we just responded. I seen it as South Bronx to Brick. I remember that story, too, though. Some hip-hop shit. Hold on, hold we just responded. I seen it at South Bronx. I remember that story, too, though. Some hip-hop shit. Hold on, hold on.

Absolutely. That's what it was. That's the only reason why Prodigy took his verse off. Yeah. I didn't listen to that. Relax. I'm not dissing nobody. Wait, is that a verse for him now?

There is a verse for him. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He said, NYC, you want our verse to pre-receive. He said, I haven't been to a league so it seemed to be mega. I got word back from Noriega. I got that one. I got the one. That's what I was playing.

That's the one. That's the person I was playing. So why did he take his verse? I got that one. That's the person I was playing. I got that one. Can y'all let me finish? So why did he take his verse off?

Can y'all let me finish? No. Wait, wait for a second. He said no. No, you go. Now. Absolutely. Tech flipped it.

Nah, they can win together. What are you talking about? No, we're kidding, man. I was like, I gotta finish. No, we're kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just drink shit. We didn't talk.

We didn't talk. Relax. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Relax. We're all great champs So What happened was So What happened was

After every verse that we spit P was the only verse that actually Felt like it went to LA Now it was the only verse that actually felt like it went to L.A. Now, it was the only verse that actually went to L.A. It didn't feel like it. It was. It was. It was.

We had a big mix down in Santa Barbara. Can I tell a story? K.O. went to L.A. Right. Can I tell a story? You can take it. You can take a story.

You can go. No, go ahead. All right. All right. So. Relax. Relax. Relax.

Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. I'm not relaxing going on here. I'm very relaxed, I think. We said we don't know if they're going to let us or not. Let's just respond and let's just see what happens. Niggas kicked the building. But, no, this is before the building. Stop that, Paul.

The building came after we dropped the record. I'm not sitting in the hall. Stop that, Paul. The builders came asking, we dropped the record. That ain't something in the hall. Hey, man. Hey, man. They kicked the builders over in QB, man. He's actually skipping over two weeks of... He's skipping over two weeks of shit. It was different. What happened was, they did it.

I'm L.A. too. Actually, we lying. Hold on, hold on. It's a different... Wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute, bro. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, wait a minute. You said Smith & Wess wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Hold on, what happened? What happened? You said Smith & Wesson is on a new CNN album? Of course.

Absolutely. But listen. Okay. Here's what happened. When I say we lying, I mean this. Not lying, though. No, we lying. We are lying.

You're lying. You're not lying. Well, here's what happened. Thank you. There was something called a DJ list Back in the days Back in the days you used to be on a DJ list And your album would come out

Two months in advance And depending on What DJ you fucked with You would send the DJ This album Two months prior to it coming out The Dog Pound Dropped the album two months prior to it coming out. Right. The Dog Pound dropped the album two months prior.

I had a dude that was from my hood. His name is Chaz. I will never forget him. I love you, Chaz. I'm sexy too. Dog skin, Chaz? With the glasses? With the Chaz?

He don't got glasses. He just wear glasses because he that fly. Big up to Chaz. And Chaz came up to me And said Yo And he had a Panasonic radio It was $50 at the time That was the black shit

She put on the gate And Chaz In front of section 2 Right Right across the street From stop 1 Left right city shit Cause I'm a left right nigga

Till I die Yeah Cheechies Come on bro Chichies So hold on Let me finish So Chaz put this shit in front of the joint

And said, yo, Chaz said, you think these niggas Is this enough? But Chaz, this was the dust hat Super dust hat, right? It's always a cat It has to be a dust hat It has to be a dust hat Why do you think I'm trying to be funny?

I'm serious. Chaz from Section 2, but this is my nigga. So Chaz used to talk to me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. How'd you do it, bro? How about that? It was belong. Oh, shit.

I need one of those in my crib. So I said talk. It was, it belonged. Oh shit. You put your own cell phone. I need one of those in my crib. So I said talk to Chaz. Here I give it to you. And Chaz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need one of those. Yo, yo.

Word. I'm listening. Yo, come on, come on. No, no, no. I'm listening. So Chaz just say to me, Chaz just say to me, God damn it, whoever these people are, they gotta go.

So now this time, Chaz says, Yo, did you hear the new Dog Pound record? Yeah. Chaz has never spoke to me about music before in his life. He always talked to me about other shit. He talked to me about seesaws. Seesaws, yo. You know, I used to take mescaline. You used to take mescaline? this shit he told me about seesaws I should take masculine as it takes you My fault? So. Got you. Oh, I forgot. It's Evie D.

I'm about to cheat you. It's from Japan, bro. Listen. So, I did that. And then I started to realize. Oh, shit. When Chaz came back, because Chaz was crazy. So, Chaz was running across the street and he came back and he said, I think them niggas is killing

us. This was before the video or none of that. It's just a record. So I was like, oh shit. But now, mind you, Stretch Armstrong texts all of us. It's not a text. It is a two-way, correct? Two-way. So we all, mind you,

I had just did what I did in Queensbridge. I don't want to claim it just did what I did in Queensbridge. I don't want to claim it. So whatever I did in Queensbridge, I didn't want to go back to Queensbridge. So I went back because they told me to come. So I went back. Then we went to Stress Offshore. So we're standing there.

We got the Bobby doing Stretch, though, man. So we're standing there for two hours. We all went through that. We don't know what to do. So I say, yo, put up the dog pound out. And they say, why? And I say, because my nigga Chaz from Section 2, the Panama Building, 9722. The Panama Building.

Panama Building. That's right. He had played me. He played me this record and I couldn't distinguish if it was a diss or not. But when we heard it, everybody relaxed. Who's that?

Rob, relax. So, they said to me, are you sure it's a diss? And we couldn't. I couldn't distinguish if it was a diss. Capone didn't distinguish if it was a diss. Prodigy couldn't distinguish if it was a diss. Habit couldn't distinguish if it's a diss. Capone didn't distinguish a diss. Prodigy couldn't distinguish a diss. Habit couldn't distinguish a diss.

Tragedy couldn't distinguish a diss. It's five of us. Right. The only person that went in. Was Prodigy. Was Prodigy. He said JFK on our way to LA. You know how he is though. That's how he pees.

And it took his purse off. Soon as the niggas kicked over the buildings, and he told them it was going to be... Hold on. Them niggas broke shots in Brooklyn. Y'all shot at them. Y'all shot at them. Y'all shot at them. You guys are...

You niggas left Queens and tried to go to Brooklyn and shoot. Them niggas from Brooklyn was like, bow, bow, bow. Bad guy. Bad guy. Bad guy. Hold on. Let me finish this. I'm going to pass it off to you. Word is bought.

It might have been, you know. Word is bought. I'm going to leave my house next morning. So when, when, when Prodigy says or anybody says we sent them niggas verses and we didn't want to do business with them.

And any person, they are liars. They're liars. Because. Liars. No, it's true. No, I'm just. I'm not saying it because my brother's here. I'm saying it because my brother's here.

But I'm quoting this great guy right here. But, but, I got you. We're lucky. Come on then, on, then. Come on, then. But he says, people said something that said, equivalent to, we sent them the verses. Hell no. That is a lie.

Hell no. First off, we wanted to kill him when he took the Pac verse off. But all of us fell back because the only person Pac ever did was him. This is our brother. We never did that. That whole shit was manipulated.

I like you, because you definitely don't make sense without me. What are you talking about? It was manipulated. The whole track. The whole track was manipulative. We didn't get what was supposed to happen. See, but you got to realize

in actuality, we got the original. Not the way he explained it. The original. You got to realize there's two versions out there. We got both. So you got the original. The street's got the original. The dollar's too much. There's two versions out there. We got that. I got both.

I got both. So you got the original. I got the one thing. I got the one thing. I got the one thing. We were in the studio arguing about this. Yo, I FaceTimed Norrie

last week about it, and he looked at the screen and just turned around, and I didn't hear from him again. But anyway, listen. There's one with the dog pound beat. Which is the one? There's one where y'all remade the dog pound beat because you couldn't clear it. I got that right.

And then there's the Molly Moe one. The Molly Moe one. That's a separate. That's a separate. I got that dog pound beat. That's a separate. But, no. I'm not talking about three verses and a beat.

What the fuck are you talking about? The verses. Here's the reason why I bring it up. Here's the reason why I bring it up. One, because one, because Prodigy was the only one who took his verse off, and guess what?

That's respectful though, right? No, it's not respectful. It was the only one that Pac went at. If you think about it, Pac never said fuck Capone. He was the one

that was shooting back. Google where Capac said. Oh yeah, close that door. Google where Capac said fuck Capone or Noriega. Never. Not never.

It doesn't exist. And the thing about it, even if he wanted to say us, he said, fuck Ma Deep and them other niggas. He ain't even. You got to take a fist? We could have been the other niggas. But so what? You done said that. Let's talk about Kobe.

But we just had him there. I'm going to say this and I'm out. I'm out. I'm going to chill right here. But yo, Vibe Magazine did that whole shit, bro. The one shot East Coast, West Coast shit. No, no, no. See, he created that East Coast, West Coast shit. See what I'm gonna chill right here But yo Vibe magazine Did that whole shit bro The one shot East Coast West Coast See it created that

East Coast See see what I'm saying That would never Say it That would never happen That would never happen Let me tell you something Let me tell you something

That was That was the fall Of Vibe magazine Yeah It's so brutal Than ever though Listen But it was the fall

Of fucking hip hop And they killed people That was the fall Of Vibe magazine as a print Because you gotta realize, right When you That right there I don't think so That shit brought federal investigations

That shit brought indictments That shit brought That's what you call That's what you call Open up a can of whoopin' That's the culture coaches though That's culture coaches People died over that dumb shit

People died over that dumb shit Vi People died over that dumb shit. He has a newborn son he has to get home to. Yeah, pretty much. He's going to go beat him up. I'm not even going back. Sit back down. I'm not even going back. I'm not even going back.

He's been drinking Tiger Bone. He's sweating. He's up to the board for the first time. Drew's drinking Tiger Bone. Yeah, Drew's drinking Tiger Bone, he's sweating, he's up to the boy for the first time. Drew's drinking Tiger Bone. Yeah, Drew's drinking Tiger Bone. It's a bunch of morenos in here. He's uncomfortable. I already know, but I'm just saying.

Tiger Bone's like mushrooms. If you have a good, like, outlet to... It's a bunch of black men in here. Everybody's peeping at us. He's been drinking Tiger Bone. Let him sit right there. Come on. Come on, sit right there. You know I'm stealing your heart there Come on Come on sit right here

You know I'm stealing you all You and Static Can stay right here Oh shit You cannot make him Share a seat with Static You better not share A seat with Static

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hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. He's about to fly a plane to the tower. It's his brother. He really can do whatever. My brother. Nah, please relax. I'm telling you right now. Please relax.

That's what happens. That's what happens. Oh, look at his face. Come down. Come on, man. I give you that E. I give you that E. My brothers. My brothers. My brothers. My brothers. I'm in New York.

I'm in Times Square. Yeah, I'm not a New Yorker, so let me live. Let me live. My mother. Let me live. Look at all we got. You're my mother. Yo.

I know. I know. I know. Y'all were the last dudes that hung out with Pac. Yes. Tell us that. Who's still recording? It's a regular person. We're recording, brother. Yes. Tell us that. Like, like, like... We're recording, brother.

This is Pac, man. What the fuck you thought we were doing? You thought I was holding the microphone from my ass? You think I was like... You thought the microphone was my bass? Damn, dog! Damn, dog. Damn, dog.

That's a question asked in a long time. So you back to it. Y'all don't be able to conduct an interview. I am conducting the interview right now. There you go. My brother. Yo, I wish we had stuff like this back when I was on. Listen to me.

Listen to me. Everybody. Stop. Stop. If you've ever been in static selection. Hold on. Let me hear you finish. Stop.

It looks pretty much like this. You need to stop screaming at me. It's like that. No, no, no. I'm a Cuban motherfucker. I love you, dog. I love you, dog. But I'm Cuban.

What do you want to ask here, bro? He's Cuban. Shut the fuck up, bro. I love you, dog. But I'm Cuban, B. He's Cuban, B. Shut the fuck up, you folks. Let him go. He's Cuban, B. What did you just say? Oh, he's Cuban, B. And my old friend Sean P was on my album. This is my brother.

Rest in peace. No, no, no. You got to try and have me in your face. Thank you, brother. If you don't trust in God, trust in me in your face. No, brother. If you don't trust in God, trust in the effect. No, guy, what the fuck? You think that's it? It's done?

It's rap? Yo. No. I'm mumble rap. You still watch Al Price? No. No, we talking about Pac. Pac.

Pac was on your album? Yes, Pac was on my album. Thank you, Capone. No, you want Pac. Motherfucking jump off joints. was on your album? Yes, Pac was on my album. Thank you, Capone. No, you want Pac. You want Pac. Motherfucking jump off joints. Listen.

Now, real talk. Real talk. Now, stop, stop, stop. It's my birthday. I can fuck with you. You birthday boy. I can fuck with you. Yes, sir.

I can fuck with you. Real talk. Y'all were the last, one of the last people to fuck with Pac. You. Yo, can y'all stop, man? You with me. Hey, you of the last people to fuck with Pac. You. Yo, can y'all stop, man? You with me. Hey, you too.

I'm going to fuck with you. Who you with? Hey, Buddy Roe. Buddy Roe. Relax. Keep calling him Buddy Roe. Who you with? You know I'm with that guy.

Relax. Oh, yeah, Chi Chi. Who invited you? Oh, my God. I'm not the fucking. He with me. He with me. I'm just asking.

He with me. All right, there you go. That's what you have to say. Why do you have to do that? That's what you have to say. Relax. Thank you, son. Relax, my brother.. Why do you have to do that? Relax. Relax, my brother. That's all you have to say. We have to see this shit sitting around.

I'm going to pass the ball. I ain't worried about it. That's why you definitely wanted to get picked out. I wanted to see you out of here. As you were, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Hey! You! Yo, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. Now you want me to respect you? Absolutely. Absolutely. I want your respect. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We're talking about Pac right now. Pac and y'all. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, what's up?

We're talking about the relationship with Pac and y'all. Pac is a musical genius. Because y'all have seen some of the pain. For me, I don't. I'm not speaking. When it comes to interviews. But y'all have seen a lot of slack. When it comes to interviews, for me, I don't... When it comes to interviews... When it comes to interviews, for me... Hold on, hold on, hold on.

You don't have to. Tech, because y'all received a lot of slack at one point. Tech, Tech, let me just say this. Y'all received a lot of slack at one point. And Pac said, fuck everybody. Pac, phone, phone, can you please be quiet?

Yo, right there. You're calling me in an hour. What's he doing over there? Who? What are they asking for? Booty tang. Yeah, call me in two hours, bro. What the fuck?

He said call me in an hour. So y'all, hold on, hold on. You guys received a lot of slack. Once Pop shit on the East Coast. Let me describe the situation. Pop shit on the East Coast. Pop did it.

And the only people he claimed was you guys. He was like, Smith West, my niggas. They must have been down. Down the motherfucker. But you know what happened? Explain that for the people that didn't know. What happened was, I don't know if they caught what we was just talking about

in the midst of the raucous, but the magazine and everything, what happened. Because when we first got like, you got Smith and Wesson. We was not discredited in Black Moon or EO. But Smith and Wesson, we was all street niggas.

We was all street niggas. Like, I'm coming from the style. Like, I bring my motorbike up to the. This one, we was killer bend. Fort Greene, niggas. This one, I was in Fort Greene With Rest in Peace, Juju When niggas was losing

Rollies in the tunnel I was probably the youngest That was all of it I'm just saying I was the youngest Who got the Glocks When we came on It was guns out of blow

We had the idea We had it When we came on, it was guns out of blow. Let's go, bro. We had on, baby. We had on. Keep talking nice. Let's go. Keep talking nice. No, no, no. For me, coming from the style, I live in a brownstone.

Own my brownstone. My family has generations in a brownstone. So coming from the style to the villain to the projects, you always got to be gripped up. We coming from, we coming from, I'm coming from a tree line block. If I'm on a motorbike or a pedal bike, I'm coming up the hill to see my brother. Big up to Chi-town, Chicago. I'm coming to see my brother. We got killer bitter in this project.

Chi-rack know what he talking about right now. We got 50 over here. We coming and I'm coming and we like, son, what's happening? So when I get to the Ville, it's like a change of weather coming because I'm leaving the style. I'm trying to get from my hood to experience something different. So when I leave the style and get to the Ville, it's like, oh, son, your man over here is going crazy.

It's about to go crazy. We got everything. We got this building, that building. We got four buildings and seven floor projects. You know what I'm saying? We got niggas in all the buildings. But when he come through as a bad style cat, they ain't never seen a bad style cat. He got love.

He got wild love. He coming through in the dirt bikes with no helmet on. Shit got the engine ripped off and everything. He coming through like, that's your man? I. Shit got the engine ripped off and everything. He come and do like, that's your man? I'm like, yeah. How you know something? We like, yeah. We like, yeah. From downhill, up the hill,

you know, but... So when M.O.P. talk about up the hill, down the hill, that's the same thing? No, no, no. Because M.O.P. is from the Ville. So they talking about up the hill in the Ville and downhill in the Ville. When I say downhill, I'm talking about cross Atlantic and into the style. Like, Brevoit with Fab Burn from.

We talking about park right now. Y'all give us all that, but give us the park side of this. The park side? Tupac. That's when we serve this. You know what? I'm going to tell you what. We serve Tupac. We brought him. That's why we served this. I'm not saying the Tupac side. I'm like, no, we served the whole, we served Tupac. We're a lot of people in the Tupac side.

We're a lot of people in the Tupac. We're a lot of people in the Tupac. No, no. We're also in real shit. You're eating. You're grabbing. We're a lot of people. Paul McCartney was in 11.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're a lot of people. They leave out in his Tupac amalgamation is the Outlaws. Like, Outlaws is from Jersey. A lot of them is from Jersey. You know what I'm saying? All of them is from Jersey. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, we say that. All of them is from Jersey. And we right there. That we know of, yeah. And if you ever, if you a New York nigga, if you ever been to Newark, if you ever been to Trenton, you ever stepped in them dirty swamps, you already know what it is. You already know how they give it up.

Trenton is in Jersey, man. So, when? You already know what it is. You already know how to give it up. You know what I mean? Dudes get money out there. You got family members out there. I think they spawned the whole thing. And then when Tech put that real kite out to dudes. That kite was so real. I don't think motherfuckers understand what we talk about when we say that kite.

When Pac got that letter. So it came from them? I don't know whatuckers understand what we talk about when we say that kite, when Pac got that letter. So it came from there? I don't know where it came from. The black one. I don't think, because I think I'm the one that brought that kite up. Like, I'm the one that recognized. Flip it, flip it. Which way, son? Yeah, see the logo.

I see the logo. I see the logo. Nigga, drink champ's logo. But listen, like, that kite was so real. And it was like, not too many motherfuckers sent kites to Pac and got responses back from Pac. And for y'all to be one of the few people who had correspondence with Pac in the pen, like, that shit, what I want to know is when he came out and he was on his, like, straight, like, fuck bad boy, fuck this nigga,

fuck that nigga shit. Maybe he wasn't on that. You got to ask him that. You ain't give me a chance. Come out there. You said he came out. Relax. Relax.

Relax. Relax., Dave Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax When he came out Did he ever say Y'all my brothers Y'all exempt

Nah So y'all So when it was Fuck Bad Boy He said fuck Bad Boy And did a record with them At the same time Nah We didn't have any conversations We never We didn't have conversations when it was Fuck Bad Boy. He said Fuck Bad Boy and did a record with him at the same time.

We didn't have any conversations with him. We didn't have any conversations. Listen, you're not... Let me explain what I just said. I can't get between CNN right now. No, no, no. This is what CNN... Absolutely. Let me talk about it.

At the same time when he said Fuck New York, In CNN Absolutely Let me talk about it Let me talk about it At the same time When he said Fuck New York He actually had a record With Smith & Wesson This is real That's because

It wasn't just A record That he was trying to do With Smith & Wesson Actually when he said Fuck New York He had a record It was an album

That was in progress That we was working on That's what I'm saying It was a one nation project One nation right It was a one nation project It wasn an album that was in progress That we was working on It was a one nation project It was a one nation project It wasn't just us, it was Buck It was Greg Greg Knight

Wait, wait, wait My question was All that fuck New York came before Fuck New York wasn't Pop was never screaming fuck New York Because we was In the mansion, in the crib All that fuck New York came before. Yeah, fuck New York wasn't. Pop was never screaming fuck New York. Because we was in the mansion, in the crib. We was in the crib at the height when it was supposed to be the East Coast, West Coast battle.

Like, niggas would come up from death row and drop literally paper bag money on the table and be like, yo, Sunset, meet him here, meet him here, meet him here. We'd get to the airport and probably be like, yo, we ain't all on the same plane. Rip the tickets out, get the fuck out of here. Diddy bop right out the airport. We ain't going. So it was never a time where he felt like he was bigger than us

or he was more than us where he would leave us behind. Because we would pull up into a gas station in L.A. and everybody be shrapneling. And they would just be like, yo, what the fuck? What's happening? Why are you pulling?

That nigga could be in a coma sleep just coming off the set of two movies. Soon as the van stopped, he waking up. Yo, what's happening? Where we at? Where we at? He's like, oh, we just coming to get gas. And they could do a quick 360, bong, bong, bing. All right, yo, you know what?

Let's go. we can't stop here But nobody understand Why this nigga mentality Is like that but if you been hit up 5, 6, 7, 8 times And you automatically Stop it and they can just say We just

We getting gas We don't get fucking gas We ain't never stop We stopping to get gas stopped supposed to get gas before you got me. Yeah, why all of a sudden we stopping to get gas? You're supposed to get gas

before you got my ass. So the mentality be different. But it was never when we was with Pot, it was never a fuck New York, fuck Big, fuck the East Coast. It was never none of that.

It was never none of that. But during that time, there was... Before I hit him up, But during that time, there was, before Hit Em Up, there was actually a record where it was like, No, it wasn't Hit Em Up. No, oh. Where did it go? No, prior to that.

That's, that's, that's who shot you. No, prior to that And it was a record It was you guys I think you was on it Nah In fact Because before Before that

We haven't even recorded with Pop Right It was Redman and Method Man Because before that, we haven't even recorded with Pop. Right. We only got down there and started. It was Redman and Magicman. That record. What record are you talking about? Y'all talking about All Eyes On Me. I got my mind made up.

Mind made up. Yeah, we wasn't on that. The rumor was that was y'all record. Great record. Nah. The fucking crazy was the rumor is I was on Hail Mary That was me

Supposed to have been Doing the chorus on Hail Mary Chill out That would have been That would have been I like that Yeah it would have been Because that was the room

We was in Because music is so broad And the room was made A lot of the music And a lot of the artists Like I remember When we first dropped Not to say

It was a bunch of Funny different people Niggas been getting robbed In the industry That's right But we ain't know about it Because we wasn't In the industry

Right But when we got In the industry Yeah we was robbing But when we got In the industry And was able to go back Right

When you was able to go Back to the hood And tell niggas How sore Other niggas was And they was getting robbed It was different Word

So when niggas was Doing them type of records You was like, nah, that's not It wasn't understandable To the people outside But we understood because we was The people that was making the records And bringing it back.

Yo, can I ask y'all a question? Alright, when the whole Asian Jack... Absolutely. When the whole Asian Jack and all that shit was going on, did y'all ever get caught up in the mix in any of that? We never got caught up in none of that. We never got caught up in none of that.

That was like real for Brooklyn. Yeah, because... That was real for Brooklyn. Yeah, because we are Brooklyn niggas. I'm not going to say the names that was there, but those were niggas that was over us. We came up in gang life. Decepticons.

We came up in niggas. We came up in niggas getting popped in the stomach. Popping niggas at 59th Street train station. You see a nigga on the steps with a.357 hole in his stomach. Even hard, like, a nigga can't breathe. And when a nigga say, yo, your waves ain't better than mine, I got to punch a nigga in his mouth just to prove to him,

yo, I'm not a pretty nigga. Like, my son was riding. I wasn't the rapper. He was the rapper. Yeah. Anything that he did, I was riding with him. That's what's up.

Nigga, you can't touch him. You can't do nothing to him. He was also, he was also, he was also like a stunt guy. What the fuck is that? You know, that do shit that nobody else would do.

My body matrix was built different. My body matrix was built different. You know what I'm saying? For me, I would hop out of rolling cars and be rolling. And catch up to the car and be like this. He was kidding me. He was kidding me. He was kidding me.

He was kidding me. You know what I mean? He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding.

He was kidding. He was kidding. He was kidding. I was joking. I was... We in the tunnel going to Jersey. I was... Oh, you don't think I...

Oh, right. We have a... I was just... Now, we... I was talking about the car. No, but speed. He would jump out the window with his shotgun

and go like, y'all, work. I used to have a shotgun tied to a movie, son. This is not a video game. I had a shoe shrink around my neck. Sort of shoddy. No, movie, son. This is not a video game. I had a shoe shrink around my neck. Sort of shoddy.

Coming through the PJ. For me, I was a C-1. I was a dice game. I was... Look, look, what's your... For me, for me, for me, right? In our era... Because we all grew up in a tunnel.

Dig it. Oh, you know that. We were being in a tunnel. What's your wildest tunnel experience? I would come through in a tunnel. My wildest up in a tunnel. Oh, you know the tunnel. We would be in the tunnel. What's your wildest tunnel experience? I would come through in a tunnel. My wildest experience in a tunnel? I had so many. I had so many.

Let me just tell you what Brooklyn run down for the tunnel was. Coming from Brooklyn to go to the tunnel every Sunday night. First of all, if you didn't leave with a bitch to fuck Sunday night, something was wrong with you. Alright.

So from Brooklyn, this is what we would do. Boom. Wake up, hit the gym, work out, boom, get a swole on.

Boom. Swole. Boom. From the gym, we go to the barbershop. Line is fresh, Chris. Boom. From the barbershop Line is fresh Chris Boom

For the barbershop We shooting Uptown 145th Get that Get that Get that We would see

Luka Brazzi Get that Get that Selling t-shirts A nigga even buy A solo Vascos Some Tims

Or some Iceberg Go right into Iceberg See my nigga Yo what's up son Oh son We got the new Snoopy. Nah, I don't want the Snoopy today. Yeah, I don't want the Snoopy today, son.

Oh, we got this. Boom. All right. Match me up. We go. I get the outfit from 145th. By the time we ain't even getting nothing to chop up or do nothing. As soon as we come out of the store For 1.45 Police pullin' us over

Whoop whoop That's what I do Body bags As soon as we come out Of 1.45 Police pullin' us over Whoop whoop What y'all got

But we ain't even got nothin' We ain't even countin' We kinda get close Yeah We kinda get close When the dime bags Of Hayes was like Like that

Yeah So I'm buyin' 10 dime bags of Hayes This one I was smokin' We buyin' 10 dime bags Of Hayes Get money in Brooklyn Don Bags of Haze was like... Like that, yeah. Yeah. So we're buying 10 Don Bags of Haze. This is when I was smoking. We're buying 10 Don Bags of Haze. Get money in Brooklyn. Then we go into the other store in the corner of 145th. Buy another outfit from there.

Take it back to Brooklyn. Start a C-Log game. Went about $1,500. Park on the corner of Myrtle and Clinton. Yeah. And then now we going on 7, 8, 9, 10 o'clock. Get a bottle of Henny, some bottles of Henny. Boom, boom, boom.

Niggas, it's coming out the hood now. Yo, what's up? What's up? You know what time it is, son? Let's go to the tunnel. Yeah. Now we rolling out four or five cars deep to the tunnel. Then we get to the tunnel.

Soon as we pull up on the cobble block, it's a line around the corner. Yeah. And it's like, you know what? Son, pull up around this way. It used to be a parking lot where you had to go up the hill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the corner. I know what you're talking about.

I was driving the SC400. To put the pearl white up in there. Facts. Come back down. Son, how many of you were there? It was only about 15. 10 of us. 10, 15.

That's what Jessica was from. Yeah, yeah. 10, 15 of us. The big team. You gave her Jessica was running. Yeah, yeah. 10, 15 of us, the big cane. We gave her hell. Even son of a dude. You know my nigga, what son of a dude that don't train in now?

The cane corso. Oh, the big dude. Alpha. Alpha. Alpha. Be out there. He be out there with the dogs. He be out there with his dogs.

Who you with? How many you with? I'm like, bong, bong I'm like, it's 10 of us, 15 of us. Boom. Now, my first best shit of the tunnel.

Alpha knew that Kung Fu shit. I remember. He's the Kung Fu. He's the Kung Fu nigga. I remember one day, one night, we was in the tunnel.

Who the fuck was performing? I want to say Onyx. I want to say Onyx I wanna say Onyx was performing But Ja Rule But Ja Rule was walking on the ball That was on the floor Yeah

You know how the ball was set up in the tunnel Ja was walking on the ball With no shirt on Like And niggas is like Yo who the fuck not but this is red this was tunnel days

and then we looking at belly we like damn we run up to the bathroom man women got assaulted in the tunnel niggas but it was different some little niggas some little niggas was born it was different and it would different. Some little niggas was born in front of the tunnel.

It was different. And it would never be another spot like the tunnel. I don't give a fuck what city it's in. It would never be another spot like the tunnel. Salute my baby Mars for beating that bitch up. That's what you said. Salute R.I.P. Cass. I remember Cass used to get it popping before flexes would come to him.

Your mom's had you because she got pissed that way. Here we dig. Front of tunnel. Let me tell you something. See you, man. Don't be mad at us.

About the tunnel. And I'm going to say this live on air. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But this was like the prime

Time of the tunnel And I had just It was the Sauce Awards In Cali And this is the Sauce Awards Where everybody got robbed And it went shook If you ain't used to niggas

I was in New York That was in New York That was in New York That was in New York That was in New York That was in New York That was when I first came out Worse or rough That was when I first came out

Busted around on the floor I was out in LA when that happened On the floor Speak on the street So please I saw it in L.A. when that happened. On the floor. Speak on the street. So, I saw it. This is real. I saw exactly everything

you guys said. And then, moving on from there. When we moved on from there. I never seen nothing. All I saw was we were trying to have fun.

But those days, that's pretty much it you put up I'm trying to clean I was trying to clean I was waiting I'm trying to clean I was like

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