Drink Champs - Episode 68 w/ DJ Premier & Pete Rock

Episode Date: March 10, 2017

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We've got something to present to you guys on behalf of CBS. Oh, wow. Okay, okay. They want to congratulate you on 25 million listeners. Wow. Oh, damn. For real? Oh, damn.

Oh, man. All right, I get that. Hey. Wow. That's dope. I fucking hate you, man. Damn. Because you knew it.

You knew this was going down. Yes. And you didn't tell me, you here, man. Because you knew it. You knew this was going down. And you didn't tell me, you foul fucking guy. Hey, man, you're not letting me act right now. Yeah, I got a problem. I got a problem. Yeah, that's what's up. 25 million. And we're doing hip hop.

That's beautiful. We're doing the hip hop. So I would like to introduce. This isn't serious. If you are into hip hop, if this is something that you say you love And this is something that you say you adapted And you don't know these two brothers And you don't know how these brothers shaped and molded the culture

For everything that you love right now If it wasn't for these two people that are standing beside me In front of me rather What hip-hop is is because of them. They single-handedly had their hands on

the best artists ever. When you think about Illmatic, you think about Reasonable Doubt, you think about Biggie, they work with the three top best. They continuously out here looking young.

They out here. And then the beat battle had just took place, and a lot of people with Swiss beats big him up and big up Just Blaze. But a lot of people don't know that these brothers have been doing this for years. For years. They started it. And I am so proud to introduce and to represent people that i look up to personally pete rock and motherfucking dj

you listen brothers i'm gonna be honest the fact that both of you brothers have worked on my favorite hip-hop album of all times, which is Illmatic. Now, I just want to take it from there because we had Q-Tip on here, and I believe Q-Tip, I think he said he suggested that he work

with them. So, was it Large? Large Professors... Oh, yeah. Yeah, so was it large? Large professors. Large professors? Yeah. Oh, wow. He's the actual chief and commander. Let me get some weed.

Let me get some weed. He's the actual chief and commander of Illmatic. Get the fuck out. So you telling me you never heard of Nas? Both of you brothers never heard of Nas? And the thing is, back, you know, Queens artists, including yourselves, for one, y'all rap longer than any other person. With no hooks and no brakes.

True. And, you know, Laws Professor is so New York, like, he'd be like, yo, like, yo, like, like, word, like, yo. He'd do that for like 10 minutes before he'd say his sentence. And he'd be like, yo, yo, Preem, I got this dude named the Rapper Nas.

It wasn't nasty. Wait a minute, we're, I got this dude named the Rapper Nas. He didn't say nasty. It wasn't nasty. Wait a minute. We're talking about the Rapper Nas. Oh, no. Rapper Nas. He was saying it in his lyrics. Wait a minute. So he wasn't even nasty.

Rapper Nas. Rapper Nas. He does it on Panging Out. Yeah, Hanging Out. He said, like, the Rapper Nas. Yeah, he says it on Panging Out. Oh, shit. So he would rap a big noise.

I figured that's just a thing. He'd rap a noise. Yeah, rap a noise. That's a Queenid. I figured that's just a thing. That's a Queens thing. That's a Queens thing. And we got Pete Rock. I mean, we got Premier drinking Jim Bean out of this motherfucker. Are you going to take a shot? You can have a shot of glasses, baby. Can someone open one for me, please?

You can open it, baby. This is your shit. This is your shit. Thank you, sir. Just so y'all know, y'all personally raised me. Y'all probably didn't know that. But it was so an honor to work with both of you brothers.

You brothers are hip-hop. When I think of hip-hop, your name, I know both of y'all names start with a P, but it feels like your name should be A. You know when the first time I met you? D&D. Let's go to D&D studio.

At the front door, you know what he said? Hey, yo, for me, what's up, man? Yo, my name is Jose Luis. I'm like, and the thing is, the L.A. L.A. record had come out. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. I'll join you guys.

You want a shot, too? Yeah, I'll do one. Oh, you're okay. We got them drinking. I'm 50 years old, man. Here you go. I know. I know. I got experience. You got you? You going to do one Oh, you don't? Okay. We got them drinking. I'm 50 years old, man. Here you go. I know. I know.

I got experience. You got you? You going to do a whiskey or you going to do a cigar? Yeah, I'll do a cigar. Oh, you're going to do a cigar? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One shot ain't going to kill nobody. Yeah, yeah.

One shot ain't going to kill nobody. Give him that shot and then you pour another one. Yeah. But the crazy thing is when I heard L.A., L.A., you opened up the lines to Jose Luis Gachos. Jose Luis Gachos. Yes, sir. That's how we do it.

Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah-da. Ah Luis Gacha. That's how we do it. Ah-da-da. Ah-da-da. Ah-da-da. Ah-da-da. Let's make some noise for Pete Rock and Premier Goddammit. I used to hang in Queens with Flush. Wow. I heard you play an unreleased.

Was that unreleased? It was on Main. Right. Casino. Was that an unreleased Flush verse that you just played? Yeah. That was a worldwide remix I never put out. And that beat. That beat. We got flush verse that you just played? Yeah, that was Worldwide Remix I never put out. And that beat, that beat. We gotta do that

beat for your album. I owe you a record for your album. I gotta do that beat for your album. I owe you. I also big you up for plugging me in with Supreme. A lot of people don't know that Pete Rock was the person that plugged me in with Supreme. Let's make some noise. You don't smoke, right? Yeah, I do, but just not

on camera. I did on camera. All right. I did mine, you know, in 92. But the herbs still flow. Now, let's take it from the beginning. They still flow. Premier. Yeah. How did you and Guru even meet?

I met Guru because it goes back to 1987 into 88. My good friend, who's still my man, Carlos Garza in Houston, Texas, helped me get a job at a record store. Because you're from Texas. You're from Texas originally. And he's from Boston. Boston. So Wild Pitch Records is a husband and wife label.

Shout out to Stu Fine and Amy. Was that Serge? No, Serge was later. Serge was later. Yeah, it was just Stu Fine and his wife. No one else. They didn't have no rap promotion. Guru was the person that would go over to their house every day

and listen to every demo that came in. They had Lottie already signed, who's Apache, rest in peace. That's Apache's brother. Wow. And Lottie did a lot of writing with Latifah and the Flavor Unit. And he had a record called This Cuts Got Flavor, which was big in New York at the time. That and putting on the hits.

That's how 45 King came into doing the wild pitch work. And then Chill Rob G came along, who's also part of Lateez crew in the flavor unit. And he got signed to Wild Pitch. Gangstar got signed after that in 1986. And so they had a record called The Lesson. I wasn't in the group then. Gangstar goes through three different chambers. The first chamber was Big Shug And Guru named Gangstar

It was Big Shug and Guru When Guru was going to school at Morehouse And they're both from Boston, right? Yeah, and it was Shug's brother, Suave D They were the first Gangstar Then Suave D stepped out And it became two MCs Damon Diskey, but Guru wrote all the rhymes

And it was Guru and then DJ Mike D, but he was called DJ Wanna Be Down. Wow. But it's DJ One, the number two, the letter B,

and Down. DJ Wanna Be Down. Wanna Be Down. It was One, the number two, the letter B, and then Down. Wanna Be Down.

So he has a brother named Gangstar T. Oh. You know what I'm saying? That shit is deep. Yeah, yeah. So all of that trickled down to the name of Suge and Guru originated Gangstar T. Big Suge, we talking about.

Shout out to Suge. Yeah, yeah. Everything. He's doing the things in movies now. He's doing Black Lives. Yes, I saw that. That's right. Working with Larry David, all that stuff.

So from there, when Guru moved to New York, the rest of the members didn't go. Suge got locked up for a while, So now it's just Guru on his own But anytime work wasn't involved with any money No one would come up to New York To help him do any moving around Hopping around to get in the clubs Get on the radio Because they weren't really getting radio played

Until they dropped their second single Called Busta Mood Boy Which is when I heard them I was in New York at the time for the summer And Red Alert was cutting it up, and Molly Mar was cutting it up, and if they're playing it, I thought they would call GameStop because of his Boston accent. He's

his gangsta. I played Boston Mood. I played, no. Knowledge. That's when you came in. Yeah, but this was right before. I don't even think In Control was just about to start bubbling before Magic left. And Chili Q used to be up there and Kevvy Kev.

Me too. And you too, of course. When I met with Groove, I met you at the Reds. And Groove messed up on the mic. Yeah, yeah. You had the Reds snuggle up. He was like, oh, I fucked up, I fucked up. Then he was like, nah, keep it going, keep it going.

Yeah, he'll keep going. He'll keep going. So from that up, I fucked up. Then he's like, nah, keep it going, keep it going. Yeah, he'll keep going, he'll keep going. So from that point, those three artists were the label, Chirabji, Lati, and Gangstar. And 45 King was the only producer that worked after that, after Donald D produced the first single. Wow. So from there, Guru used to go through a box of the demos

every time mail came in, because back then it was about mailing your stuff or walking it in. Carlos snuck my demo over to Stu. I was in a group called MCs in Control in Texas. And my MC was from Boston. His name was Topski.

Where's Keno at? Oh, Lord. He's right there. It's Topski, Sugar Pop, and Styling T. And what did Guru say? Guru said, get him out of there. No, no, no. They heard my demo, but they didn't like my MC. They liked me.

And they were like, we really want you. But I was like, I can't. So you're saying they like the beats. Right. And my scratching. They were bugging off my scratching. Scratching was huge back then. So I didn't really want to leave my group.

So I said, I can't do it. I got to stay doing what I do. Time passed. My emcee pretty much got frustrated after going shopping other deals. We couldn't get a deal, so he said, I'm joining the military. I thought he was just bluffing. One day, we're at the house, shot to Gordon Franklin, the whole Franklin

family, Gary, Arden, rest in peace, and Marilyn Franklin. We were staying at their house. I thought we were going to college together. That's how I met them. And next thing you know, the bell rings on a weekend, and the recruiting officer's at the door. I'm like, yeah, man, help me. He's how I met them. And next thing you know, the bell rings on a weekend, and the recruiting officer's at the door. I'm like, yeah, man, help me. He's like, yeah, I'm looking for Theodore Campbell.

I'm like, for what? He said he joined the Navy. And I thought he was lying. I'm like, yo, Tom, I'm out in the basement because we all live together. And he's like, yo, I'm out. He has his bag packed already. I'm like, how long did you join? He said, for four years. This is your MC.

Yeah. OK. He said four years And Guru already knew the top of everything I'm like four years so I'm not going to wait for you no four years He said yo I'm out do your thing And that's when I called back to Wild Pitch and said yo my man

Left so now I'm available To not be in the group because that's my front man And Guru was like I want you in the group So that's how I joined Gangstar And then from there Gurus He found my tape And Lord Finesse's tape That's how Lord Finesse

Got signed To Wild Pitch And that's how I end up That's the first artist I ever produced Was Lord Finesse Besides Gangstar Let's make some noise for that

I did not think It was layers like that. Okay, so now, Pete. Yeah. How did you meet C.L.? Y'all went to school together? Yeah, we went to school together. High school.

Met through some street guys. And, you know, when I heard, you know, there was Tommy, he could rap or whatever. And when I heard his voice in high school, we... Because you was always a producer? Yeah. You was a producer? Yeah, yeah. Well, in the hood, I started doing my high school parties DJing.

You know, I became a DJ in Mount Vernon that motherfuckers, you know, flock to. So I met CL. He had a distinctive voice. We did, like, 50, 60 demos in my basement on a four-track. You know what I mean? Four-track. Four-track. And I got signed off that shit.

You know what I mean? So, like, He was taking like Dance to the drummer's beat And making songs You know Taking the break beats That my man Lenny From the Bronx

Was putting Street beat And I would make beats Out of them shits Just normal shit And then Make records out of it Cause Mount Vernon is like

It's like The Bronx being the place of hip hop Right Birthplace of hip hop Right Mount Vernon is like It's cousin It's his cousin.

So y'all had to have hip-hop just as a... I'm originally from the Bronx. I'm from Cotter Hill Road, bro. When I was young, I went to Bronx River Park not knowing what was going on. You know what I'm saying? All I know is I've seen a bunch of cool dudes smoking,

drinking, and listening to hip-hop. That shit had me... Then when I turned seven years old, drinking, and listening to hip-hop. That shit had me. And then when I turned seven years old, I met James Brown. What? At seven? Wow, that's going to change your life. Special applause for Peter Brock. Thank you for meeting James Brown.

And Heavy D's your cousin, right? Heavy D's your cousin as well. Heavy D's my cousin, of course, family. R.I.P. R.I.P. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, bro. And, you know, he took me under his wing.

And that's how I learned everything. That's how I met everybody before I even became who I was. I was Teddy Riley. I was in his studio, Howie T. Now, let's take it to Reminisce Over You. Which is such an iconic song for him. Such an iconic song. But now, that is about an actual person, correct?

Yeah, my man. Can we break that down? That's Troy, right? Yeah, that's Troy. He was on tour, heavy dealing with boys. Him and Kid N Play's road manager playing around. You know, we used to always be on tour playing, you know what I mean? And they were playing with empty garbage cans and throwing them, trying to hit each other. Oh, no, I never heard of it.

And Troy, you know, missed the steps. He was at the edge of the stage. Oh, damn. I didn't know it was 20 feet, though. Wow, wow. And Hef called me and started crying. And, you know, the whole hood was all fucked up. Wow.

And I don't even, today to this day, I don't even know how I was able to listen to a record and make a beat because I was so distraught that my man, I mean, the whole hood was, he was infamous in the hood. But you know how legendary that record is. I mean, that music is. So I did it for him, you know.

Music can do that, though. And when I found the sample, you know, I was with Extra P when we was in Queens. Wow. And we were digging and I found the record, you know what I mean? And we, you know, took it home, fucked with it, you know. And next thing you know, I put, you know, after the beat was made and everything like that,

we got in a studio, came up with the lyrics. Wow. And it was just like, but he didn't have the beat. Like, he already had the rhymes wrote, but he needed the beat to match the rhymes. Wow. And that's very, like, that's not easy to do. Yeah, that's magical for that to match up. That's magical. Wow. And that's very, like, that's not easy to do. Yeah, that's magical for that to match up. That's magical.

Yeah. So it melted right in. And I was just like, God damn. Classic. He talked about his mind. Did you know that was going to be as classic as it is when you made it? When we, I had Charlie Brown from Ladies' Union School in the studio. And he was there for the mixtape.

And we just all out crying I just let it out I didn't even care who was around Because I was thinking about Troy And he started crying And then the engineer started crying And I said I think we got something And I think to this day

The only thing I don't like about that record Is that I wish I made it Let's make some noise For Ben day, you know. The only thing I don't like about that record is that I wish I made it. Let's make some noise. For real. Everybody's like, wait a minute, what? What are you saying is wrong about that? It's a lot of shit you made.

So now, I gotta take you to one of my favorite gangsta records. I agree. With the Master Pail. No, I'm one of them. We got all night. I agree. With the Mass Appel. No, I'm one of them. I'm serious. We got all night. I'm going in.

I'm going in. Okay. So, Mass Appel. What drugs was you smoking when you made that? That's the rule of error, man. Yeah, you know. That's making noise. That's the rule of error.

That's cracking weed. That's the rule of error. That's that bunk. You know, it's crazy. It's crazy because, I mean, everybody has their errors of getting lifted. I mean, now the pills of the early young kids. Yeah, they're crazy. That's not my thing, but, I mean, we all have ways of escaping. And music and drugs and drinking and sex and all that sports,

it has always been in a twine. But it's all about how strong your mind is or how weak your mind is. But I've always kept a strong mind to know how to turn the switch off and get back to it. Like manage it properly. I'm glad I made it. Mass appeal. You were high. Even after years. For years, you know.

When I heard that beat, I was like, what the hell is happening? You get the mean head nod to that joint. That was a good old day. Was that 93 into 94? The album came out in 94 The song came out in 93 But I mean Those were the good old days

Of just You know You were torched Before you go in the lab And start cooking something up And even with or without I mean My approach is still the same

So thank goodness That it is Because I'm still active Even at 50 years old The work is still coming We're still active We still are addicted to making beats and performing and DJing.

We're like, we're addicted to it. And battling. But Master Seal was a we was actually making it as a goof to radio because we wasn't getting regular rotation on radio as a hip-hop group. But like Guru always said, we got platinum respect.

So we were like, damn, all the platinum artists are loving us, but we can't sell no records, but everybody that's platinum and selling millions love Gangsta. So we were like, let's make a radio making fun of radio. And I said, I want to make something that sounds like you're in an elevator going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. So that was my mind state when I wanted to make the records. You know, you're in elevators

You're crazy I'm thinking about your logic You found the record That was closest to what Was already in your head Oh my god Just like Gene Brown Closest to what

That's what it is There's a lot of times I pre-hear the song And I'm looking for the stuff That matches my What I'm looking for That's why the drums Usually come first

But you know Because It's like you know what I'm going what nots on this one I'm going in the stuff that matches what I'm looking for. That's why the drums usually come first. But you know, because it's like, you know what? Going what nots on this one. I'm going to peaks on this one. I'm going sub on this one. You know, we can already know where we're going to go. Look at that producer talk. You guys can't remember. I love producer talk.

I love the what lots. In the early days of my gangsta career, there's three people that really taught me how to get to the level, actually four, of the level where I just said, now I'll take anybody on. I'll battle anybody.

He taught me how to filter. Showbiz, DITC, Showbiz and AG taught me how to chop beats. Chips of a man.

I learned how to chop beats from Showbiz. And then Lars Professor just showed me crazy tricks because he used to come to my house and show with us because we met him first.

And we used to go to Ms. McKenzie's house, who was the DJ's mom, stir-cutting K-scratch. I mean, K-cutting, stir-scratch, so we used to go to their house. So I was around Lars and Pete a lot, and they were way more advanced on the programming from me. We all went to the records and sampling, but my skill didn't really get to a point until around 92, you know what I'm saying,

when I started working on Boom Bap with KRS. Boom Bap, original rap. Who's that, too? Yeah, not that song, but the majority of it. Oh, that album. I did Out of Here, Mortal Thought. Yeah, Out of Here, Mortal Thought, KRS-One Attacks. And you did Christian and I Mermaid Lawn, too.

You killed that album. You killed that. I don't mind you, my nigga. I'm just wrecking it. The Nashville Bill was just a laugh at radio for not playing us, and then it turned out to be our biggest hit. That's crazy.

And you know what else? I got to go straight into it. I'm so sorry. Stick up, kids. That was a true story. Just to get a rep, we just got our deal. We were living in the Bronx on 183rd Street. I had moved out of East New York.

I moved to 183rd Street. I was living in the Bronx. Yeah, we moved to the Bronx on 183rd Street. That's how I met. That's how I met. Pick up a Ching Bing. That's how I met Fancy from the NYGs. That's how I met Smiley, the yellow chink bean. That's how I met Benji from the NYGs. That's how I met Smiley the Yellowtail, Nutcracker.

Nutcracker and Groupon. Yeah, that's how we met. I lived on 183rd and Andrews, and they all lived down the hill on Andrews. He was in the hood. Yeah. He was in the hood. He was in the hood. So what happened was we got our first check. I was moving in with

Branford Marcellus He was about to be the Music director for the Tonight Show With Jay Leno So he and his wife and his son were still living there Before they moved to L.A. So they were kind of back and forth So at the time, before he officially moved

We all moved in together So now it's Branford, his wife, his son, me and Guru all living together on 374 Washington in Brooklyn. So we moved back to Brooklyn. We both bought our first brand new cars. And I had a whip already, but I bought the MPV.

That was the car of the time, for sure. But it was very famous. Of course. It was the car of the time. It was the 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a Jack Boy car, too. Because it was the sound system everybody knew me for. Yeah, of course. The car of the time. We'll take videos. I don't care what you like. The car of the time. It's a Jack Boy car, too.

Because it was the sound system everybody knew me for around the way. So when that happened, Guru bought a 4Runner. These were when the 4Runners were brand new style, body style.

Guru got into a problem with some dudes in Brooklyn, and he... They tried to stick him up. Yeah, and they took the car. They took the car. Time passed. We went looking for cats, looking for cats, couldn't find the car. Time passed. We went looking for cats, looking for cats,

couldn't find the car. One day, we just moved. Before GPS. Yeah. One day, we're moving around, and we see the car start chasing after the guy. Going after him, he says, high-speed chase. Cops see us, start chasing, too, going after him. He's like, that's our car, that's our car, because they wanted to pull us over.

They go after him. He keeps on driving. The driver hits an ice cream truck and dies. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. And it's crazy, because Guru had a picture of the day he got the car, and he's in front of it going, like, yeah, I got my car. We go to the precinct where they brought the car

and it was all smushed in and everything from the crash and it was all smushed up. And Groose, I got to take a picture by it. He's standing by it going... That was the first picture. Before I showed, he said, I'm writing a song about this. And we wrote the song.

And see, the album only has two verses. When we came out With the video With Fab Five Freddy And did the He said we need a Closing And Lacey's move Was on that

That's me scratching Their hook I mean their voice On Funky for you They were on Dweck Oh yeah that's right Dweck So Fab Five Freddy said

We need a closing way Of the video And being that The guy did die In the end He said we gotta do A third verse So we wrote a third verse And and that's why the 12-inch

has a different type of a bounce, and it's been re-recorded. That was 1990. Isn't that crazy that we actually found the dude, took off after him, cops go after us, and once we say, we're trying to get our car back, and the dude's running and crashed

to an ice cream truck. This is why you got to love gangsters you This is why you gotta love gangsta This is why you gotta love it Now Pete Rock The world is yours I was hating that Now That made me not stand still though

When you heard the beat Hold on hold on for a second Because I want to say Arguably Might be my favorite record On El Maddox El Maddox is my favorite album

Of all time And mine too Not because I'm on it either It would have been my favorite Even if I were on it I ain't on it at all I'm glad I'm glad I was

I made the cut I'm glad I was glad to be in the session I just want you to describe. Oh, he was there? He was there. Just to watch. I just want to watch.

He was there. Just to watch. All right, so now you meet this kid, that Lars Professor, correct? Yes. Brings you to him. Yes, yes. And then they say they want you to work on him. They came up to Mount Vernon.

Okay. And there's a story where I had Nas waiting. I didn't even realize. I don't even remember. He said that I was in the car talking to a girl, and he was behind me, but, you know, if there's a few behind me, get out. You know what I mean? But he waited.

He just stood in the car. Shy. Nah, just naturally shy. But still, we got it together. We got downstairs, right? I go through a couple of SB-1200 discs, right? The first three. Whenever we got downstairs, right, I go through a couple of SP-1200 discs, right? The first three.

The second one, a disc I put in, when I played it, he just said, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. And he just stood there and closed his eyes. And I was like, okay, that means he likes it. I just knew it, you know what I'm saying? And this is the world is yours, you say? He was like, yo, you want to sing on it?

I want you to do the hook. The world is yours, you saying? He was like, yo, you want to sing on it? I want you to do the hook. Bull's world. See? Woo! You know what I'm saying? You know, I was doing it on some hip-hop shit. You know what I'm saying? And then we got in the studio. Went to Battery.

That's where we did it. You know, we were mixing. Oh, Battery Studios. That's up Jive. Jive. The record. I watched you lay the scratches on one tape. Primo came in there.

Yeah. And I did the scratches on one tape. I think that was the quietest I've ever been to. I just was staring. He just was like this, looking, and I was just like,

oh, this is... But the world don't know, does the world know who Nas is at this time? Like, live at the barbecue half the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Back to the barbecue again? Back to the barbecue? Half time was out. Half time was out. Okay. What about back to the grill again? Back to the grill. Back to the grill

came out before half time? Yeah, yeah. He was building at this point. So he had a buzz already. This was a crash through with Illmatic. Because Seaverhead was out. When it was done and finished, man. What? Man, that was what it was.

What? This is going to be crazy. Did his three joints on there? He had a half three at the time No, what the fuck? I only had Represent But not the one on the album The one that's on the automatic is a remix

What? It's not the one on the vinyl, on the single? No, just the one that's on the album period The one that's on the album period is the remix At the baseline Yo, hold on So what's the original Represent? I can play it.

Yeah, we need to hear it. I would have to queue it up and everything. We'll do it after. We'll put it in. Yeah, but. I can't believe. Please save that story, Primo, because I still can't believe. What is this?

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with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. Now, so you do the world a joke. You said after you did the record, you was just happy for him. Very happy. But did you have the foresight to think that this guy would actually, like, you know, this guy. Are you crazy? Yeah.

We knew he was going to blow. There was a lot of anticipation, even when you guys were working on the project. Nobody in the game rapped like that. It was like, rock him again. Nobody. Right, right. Yeah, he stood in his own light. But he was probably inspired by the Gucci wraps, the vibes, the Rakims.

No question. No question. But, yeah, that was one. This was new and up and coming, and we were confident, and he was confident, and I was happy. Were there a lot of records on that project that didn't make the project that you guys heard? Was that the only beat you made? Oh, so it was one and done. One hit or quitter.

Now, the first beat that go in. What? Y'all blown away. And then Q-Tip did the remix. Yeah, man. And these. Hold on. I need to talk about this.

Okay, yeah, yeah. Q-Tip remixes had me all upset. Wait, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Upset? There was a World of Shorts remix that Q-T this. Okay, yeah, yeah. The Q-Tip remix has had me all upset. Wait, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Upset? There was a World of Jaws remix? A competition. Oh, okay. Like, in a good way.

Yeah. Like, damn, I should have just did a quick remix. We all get that. And they're both amazing, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're totally different, you know, different approaches. His talents are amazing. Q-Tip, shout out to him.

Yeah, very much. He's our him. What up, Kamal? So now, you said three joints. Represent. Yeah, Memory Lane and New York State of Mind. Memory Lane. Relax. Memory Lane, me and Nas had a debate on that one because I actually didn't

like that one. This is prior to his lyrics. This is the crazy shit. I've been in the studio with Primo. Yo, you really a perfectionist, yo. Because I do it on the spot. Yo, you really a perfectionist.

Yo, I went into six times we couldn't get a beat, right? And then he said, he came to me, he came to me and said, what's your rhyme, nigga?

And I said, my whole foot dropped, my whole colossal stopped. I can't believe my quote never made the half-ass. That's an incredible joint. And R.P. to your pops, too.

Then you made the beat in two fucking seconds flat. Is that? No, no. That's one of my big records when I perform. No, but the thing about it is, is that what you have to,

you have to hear the vocals first? No, no. Because, but what, our particular situation. The War Report is one of the best hip-hop albums ever in hip-hop culture. Thank you so much. first? No. Because our particular situation The War Report is

one of the best hip hop albums ever in hip hop culture. Thank you so much. You gotta understand. You're humbling me right now. I wasn't on The War Report. And now you got me on another one. And not only that. This was the year of your reunion As you emerged as a solo artist too I mean your first

Noreal was sick. It is sick. Thank you. I mean like to this Noreal was sick. That was. It is sick. Thank you, my brother. I mean, to this day. What? I'm sorry. I want to get back to baby. What happened was we wanted a primo beat so bad.

Right. Everybody wants a primo beat. For some reason, our schedules was messed up. And then we went to D&D. We went to D&D. And I felt like he needed something from us. And we just kept, wasn't giving it to him. And then you just

the sixth section, I remember. It was the sixth section you said. This is after he called and screamed on me. And I was like, yo, and I'm a stand-up guy too. So I was like, yo, just meet me this week. Because, you know, the hard part is like, I know he's on. And he was like, yo, just meet me this week. You know, the hawk

popper is like, I know he's hood. And he was like, yo, man, I'm feeling like, you know, we're about to get you to bread. And all that stuff. And then that day, and you came with like 30 D's. I'm sorry. You're not sorry. You're not sorry.

But the crazy shit was, he said, what's your opening line? And I said that. So you had that rhyme already written? Oh, no, I had the rhyme already. I just was waiting for something perfect to go with. Because that fit perfectly. And then as soon as I said it, and he said, say it again.

And he made the whole beat. He was like, say it again. And I was like, oh, shit. I swear to God. In my mind, I was like, he kept saying, say it again. My turn was about to be at the television, oh, shit. I swear to God. I was like, he kept saying that again. My turntable was set up on a big old 1970s television. With the wood and everything. With the record player underneath.

The tube joints. And I got the turntable and the mix on there. Capone sat right there going, yo, I still can't believe you got a turntable on a television from the 70s. I'm riding around there. And that's what he said He said with the 50 inch pan I mean With the Panasonic

Cause everybody in the hood And the projects have them on radio But what we gotta do right now Primo Is describe D&D Studios Because That's so That's like the

I'm not gonna lie to you Pinnacle of hip hop D&D Studios Was actually not Nowhere near the hood Nah But it was In Manhattan

In the city But once you get In the D&D You in the projects Yeah Well that was Automatic That was a heroin block

When we When we started Working there In 92 That was a heroin block So During that time A little bit prior

Before y'all started coming It was drug central There was started coming, it was drug central. There was no lights, so it was very dark. They ran a newspaper route across the street, so we used to always be with them, and there was a lot of fighting and threats, and I would go get my gun and all this crazy stuff back then,

and it was just... I remember Heavy D, God bless him, came by and said, do we really got to finish this out here? But you demanded that people do everything. That was home. Yeah, it's at the top. So, Ham, I had to go. I went over to his factory to finish working with him.

But he was like, yo, this is grimy cream. And I was like, yo, that's how I do it. You had a machine that had Philly cigars in, what is it called? The machine? In the machine. The vending The machine? The vending machine. With bamboo and Philly! Did you have condoms in there as well?

I think you had condoms. It was all kind of weird stuff. It was all kind of weird. In the vending machine! The dude had to restock at least every week. For whatever the fuck was in there. The Phillies were being bought. Yo, I kid you not. The dude had to restock at least every week. For whatever the fuck was in there. He had to restock. Yo, I kid you not.

I used to be like, because, you know, every time we used to go to the studio, we used to always stop at cigars. But when we went to D&D, we said, we never stop. We said, just go straight there. It was a little bit, like, more expensive, but it was, like, worth it. It was worth it. It was $4. That was a big deal back then.

So now recently, Pete, Kanye and Jay-Z just hired you to do a joint. Describe what was that like? Going to Hawaii, man. Black Sand Beach. Okay, I'm sorry. I did not know you were going to Hawaii. Let's make some noise for that. He just flossed on us.

He was being a kid in a candy store with me. Jamal Kanye. He's gotten his new whip, brand new whip, tag stone. Me, him, Kid Cudi in Hawaii burning the road from zero to 60 in less than three seconds. That's how hot that car is. He got pulled over. Oh, word?

Police level. He's Kanye But now, when he gives you that call Because at the end of the day You represent the purest form of hip-hop So when you get a call from Kanye What is your first reaction? Oh, I'm just going to bring all my knowledge around And when I got there

He actually impressed me with what he knew You know what I'm saying? From my interludes to just like music in general and how he respects it so I knew we was on to something good from the start so I started helping him out like run away all last week in the back doing little beats just getting it popping but when we got together into the joy I didn't know Jay-Z was going to be on it. My engineer at the time was Young Guru. So Young Guru...

Oh that was your engineer too? At the time, at that time. So I was working with him and you know he called me and he said yo listen to this and I was driving at the time. And his voice got on there that was familiar to me. It's familiar. I think it pulled over, son. Who that? Who that be?

He's like, listen, listen. He played it again. Is that Jay-Z? Is that Jay-Z? We finally did something together. And that, because this is your first time working? Okay, go ahead. We finally, he finally gets on the beat, and it happened through Kanye.

You called your name on the first and every part. Pete Rock let the record drop. He made it real good. So I was happy for that, even though Primo was already, you know, well deep into Jay-Z. All right, all right. His music. Let's make some noise for that even though primo was already you know well deep into jay-z all right his music now primo you were actually on reason moved out correct okay a lot of us done at dnd that's correct the credits say dnd so now this kid comes to now you already worked with Nas Nas album's already out Yeah You already crowned

The top producer Right But now this guy comes to you He got some bread But I know you You don't give a fuck about bread I know you And did you know him

From Original Flavor Yeah I knew him before that Oh okay Oh before that I knew Jay probably about 87 Because Jazz O was on EMI And then even when we got signed to EMI, which was through Chrysalis, the same distribution, Jay would always come up there with Jazzo.

So anytime Jazzo would show up to any club or whatever, Jay was always with him. And back then, Jay had the big, long, dookie cable. We're going to get Jay Z to squash it with Jazzo. We know that. Yeah, for real. We were talking about that yesterday. It's a great chance. We're going to spread the rumor. We're going to're talking about. their beat. You gotta prove yourself as a real MC to get a beat.

So what did Jay-Z do that you said, I'm a fucker? Even when it got to the point of him hanging with original flavor, that's when I was still in the Bronx and chubby chubbler down the block and skiing. Down University, down the other way. Down the hill from where we were.

It goes uphill, everything's downhill up there. They were downhill from where we were You know, it goes uphill Everything's downhill up there They were downhill from where I was And so Being a new J already It's crazy because Big L was already Saying yo

You know, Big L Was with J a lot But also J was with Kane a lot They managed Big L, right? They were merging into doing some work, which is how the Rockefeller City situation was about to happen. But I knew Jay also,

aside from Jazz O, when he was with Kane. So I used to see him with Kane a lot. Mr. C. Mr. C's from LG. Lafayette Projects. Yeah, in Brooklyn. And then Mr. C moved in.

I think it was his aunt or somebody's house right down the block. You can't be J. Scott's on your own. I'm sorry. It's a family affair. Stories and everything. I'm sorry about that. It's all good.

We spread love over here. He's getting a shot. He's getting my job going. I've been asking so many people about the eye contact. Because I've seen people go, slide I'm getting my job going I've asked that on so many people About the eye contact Because I've seen people go And I'm like hey You know who told me the eye to eye

And I want you to finish your story Please Because the fans will kill you All right I was actually drinking with Joe Pesci one night Wow He just stunned all of us right now Was that a stunt?

I didn't even know You did that on purpose You just stunned all of us now. Was that a stunt? I didn't even know. You did that on purpose. You just stunned on us. You got the worst of jokes.

You got the hardest jokes in the house. I thought it was regular. Go ahead, finish the story,

please. The fans might kill me. He would not let me take a shot without looking

at it. This is old school. This is the 90s. Everybody else from Queens moved to old school. This is the 90s. So everybody else from Queens moved to Long Island. I was the only fucking asshole

that moved to Jersey. And so I was amongst the Italians. For some reason, I don't know why, but I always moved next to the Italian mafia. I'm sorry. I don't know why, but it's always something. I live by that, man.

I live by that. I live by that. You gotta look at me. You gotta look at me, Queens. You gotta look at me. You gotta look at Bob Boots. You gotta look at me. I was a power point. Oh, yeah. You got me down and flying.

You got me flying. You got a whole bunch of Italians over there. Yeah, I always spoke with hardcore Italians. Yep. And they just went. And I said, why? Why? I gotta look eye to eye.

They said, because in the mafia, if a person can't look you in the eye when they take a shot, that's the person that's going to shoot you. Oh, wow. And, you know, back then it was like that. You know what I mean? It's not normal. Yeah, I've been living by that. And even when somebody don't do it, I always say, hey, excuse me.

Just always look at me. And it's a very, very important thing. Well, in general, they can't look at you in the eye, period. So now Jay-Z is reasonable. So by the time he got to reasonable, he's three. I did the evils. Wait a minute. He'd just be three for three in anybody, man.

Fucking Illmatic. And three. And you got to also understand. I need you to manage me. You got to manage me, Primo. By that time, me and Jay knew each other so well. What you need? I was doing WBLS at the time, and I was doing radio.

So Clark Kent brought Jay-Z up there to let me hear, in my lifetime, the single that they impressed themselves. The original, in my lifetime, because they had the two versions. Yeah, the one that had I Can't Get With That With Sauce Money. That's how I met Sauce. So when they brought it up during my commercial break and I heard it, I was like, yo, I'm going to play this out of commercial break. They're like, but you just listen.

You going to play it now? I'm like, yeah. Open the show with it. Next thing you know, Jay's like, yo, I got something for you. Give me a bottle of Cristal. I didn't know what Cristal was because we were still drinking Moe. And he's like, yo Yo this is The real deal Champagne right here

This big Big bottle of stuff I was like cool And I saved it For years and years Saved the bottles Yeah And I finally drank it

And you know Now of course They don't fuck with Cristal Yeah we don't fuck with Cristal Cristal don't fuck with him So fuck you There you go Fuck you

So now What is it Spades now right Ace of spades Yeah so It's not the best But it's okay There you go. Yeah. Fuck you. So now what is it? Spades now, right? Ace of Spades. Yeah. It's not the best, but it's okay. There you go. Did I say that out loud?

You said it out loud. I had Nas's birthday party. It was the first time I tasted Spades because Jay came to the birthday party. I was like, I've never tasted that. He said, oh, no. He poured me a glass and slammed it down. I'm more of a whiskey guy. I'm a brown liquor guy.

Whiskey guy. Yeah. Now brown liquor guy. Whiskey guy. Yeah. Now, let me, before we get into this interview. Oh. Before we get into this interview. So, Dame approached, well, Jay approached me about it since we had a friendship already. Okay. And then he introduced me to Dame.

I used to see Dame in the Bronx walking his dogs all the time. He always had his dogs and he'd walk them around because he was going to see Chubby Chub and Steve because he was handling, managing them. And now we're saying Chubby Chub,

you're talking about Chubby Chub DJ. DJ, yeah. DJ Chubby Chub from Original Flavor and he's a big DJ in Boston. In Boston.

Yeah, okay. I was going to say in Boston. So, Dane used to be around there walking his dogs all the time. So, we met then

but it was just small talk. We were just, you know, everybody knew Gangstar was at the time. We were known enough So from there

Jay said This guy handles the business So I went and dealt with him Told him how much I said Because it's Jay It's all love I'm only going to charge you

Four thousand dollars Which was very Very very lucky And I don't believe in luck But that's a blessing For me to give you That type of number Right

We went in the back They gave me the cash And and I started getting busy. Now, Jay called me. Cash, no check. No. Crack money. Let's make some noise for crack money. Make some noise for crack money.

That is what it is. Go ahead. Keep it going. Keep it going. Jay called me and said, I got this song called The Evil. He explained it to me. Oh, my God. That's everything. He explained it to me. He explained it to me. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

He explained it to me. Then he rapped the whole song on the phone. Then after he rapped it on the phone, then he gave me the scratch idea. What do you mean by scratch idea? He said, I want to judge. So he had it all mapped out. Oh, scratches. Okay, I don't want to.

Can you save me? Illuminati got my mind. Right, yeah. I can't die. I can't. Even though he said, make it go. I can't. He gave you to save me. Illuminati got my mind. Right, yeah. I can't die. I can't even. He said, make it go. I can't die. He gave you that?

Yeah. He knew the samples he wanted you to cut. No, not the sample to make the beat. He just, I did. He gave me the idea of how to, he said, this is the atmosphere I want musically, but I want you to, no matter what you make, do these scratches. And I went down there and I said, yo, I'll be ready by the time you get there. And it was ready.

And when he walked in, I said Yo I'll be ready By the time you get there And it was ready And when he walked in I said One question With the scratches He picked the rap record That's what I'm saying That he picked the samples For the cuts

He said hey He already had that The samples for the cuts He picked He picked that already On the phone On the phone That's crazy

Yeah on the phone So he had that Well thought out And you know what's so crazy Him and Biggie Used to always Lay their cut vocals And then they both

Would leave and go Alright do the premiere thing And they both said The same thing Do the premiere thing They wouldn't sit there Like yo I gotta watch you And I gotta make sure

It's right It's that do the premiere thing We going out And they would leave And let me just do my thing I might have said Do the premiere thing You did it You did it?

You did it. Once the Bermuda Triangle first dropped, I'm good. So now, P-Rock, you're established. You're a super producer.

You've done everything. You work with the best. What makes you say I'm going to do a whole album? First off, with Duck Down before Smoke Dizzy.

Because you did a whole... No, he did the Join on Loud. I did a Smith & do a whole album. First off, with Duck Down, before Smoke Dizzy. Because you did a whole... No, he did the joint on Loud. I did a joint on Loud. And I had Soul Survivor, too. Yeah, on Loud. With Wu-Tang. Yeah, I'm sorry. He was on there.

Everybody on Loud. Loose Hands. Loose Hands. That was the best label. That joint was crazy, man. That's what he was doing up in there. One of the best labels ever? What made you say, you know what,

I'm going to do a whole project with Smith & Wesson? I think it was just the aura of who I was around. And it just made me say, you know what, damn, I love all these dudes. And they're good dudes, too. Let me see if I can make a joint with them. Then I went to Steve and he was with the idea. I knew he could make it happen.

Then I was on the label they signed me i was like wow okay there's one album deal but i said you know i'm gonna make this one real good you know what i'm saying and then look i got the talent around me let me just see what's up and then boom i'll just go in and start making it happen and now you got a joint we'll smoke this funny the with me and you getting real close with each other. Are we talking strange fruit right now? No, we're talking the Fat Albert joint.

The shit on social. Are you on there? I had such a great time in the studio. What was it, Green Studio? Green Street. Look at my memory. That was the D&D of Pete.

It was Green Street. That was way down there. That was his D&D. That was like Jamie Stobb. I used to read his credits. Get the fuck out of here. I came in right after that and they told me the whole story.

I used to always see Jamie Stobb the whole story. I saw DJ Monk. I was about to say, your mom? You missed it, man. They got stripped, but they didn't show. They shot the gun. Man, they shot a bullet hole. The bullet hole's in the wall.

It's still in the wall. God damn it. Let's make some noise for Bullock. But regardless, it was a great time and that place was my home. So who was it? It was me, pun, and Carmen. Me, pun, and Carmen. What a combination.

That's it. Yeah. And me and pun got real tight. You know what I mean? No, listen, Pete. Let me just tell you something. We were so honored to come that night. We had a ball. We ordered pieces. It ordered pieces. It was Green Street Studios. I could never forget it because, you know, Pete showed me.

And I remember I had the Cartier frames on at that time, too. And I also had a very important sweater on that I bought from Miami. It was called, because this was a guy who designed Iceberg but then he went and did his own thing and I forgot what it was called. But it was some fly shit and I bought it from Bell Harbor and I only wore it to Pete Rock Studios. God damn it, make some noise.

That's some shit right there. Smash the shit. So now, you guys you work with Knobbs. You worked with Jay. Have you ever worked with Bigobz You worked with Jay Have you ever worked with Big? You never worked with Big He been to my crib

He was picking my interlude beats He was like, you know And then, you know He heard the idea of Juicy in my basement You know, Puff came with me Puff was the one that brought Big to my house You know, we all from Mount Vernon Cause y'all both from Mount Vernon

We all from Mount Vernon Puff is from Del Avenue You Big to my house. You know, we all from Mount Vernon. Because y'all both from Mount Vernon. We all from Mount Vernon. Right. Puff is from Del Avenue. You know what I'm saying? And Mount Vernon. Right. And brought Big to the crib. And he was just like, yo.

Big was like, yo, I just want to see how you make a beat. You see what I'm saying? And then I made this beat called, that's a song called In the Flesh on the Main Ingredient. And I made that. You know what I'm saying? And he wanted it, you know, but it didn't happen somehow. But we ended up using it on our album.

But he was there and saw the process. But now describe that, because now, you know, Puff is from Mount Vernon, so you look at him like a peer. But now, do you realize that this guy that he just brung to your studio is the most legendary person in the world?

I already knew. You knew? You knew? I already knew. The aura was there? Yeah, I already knew. Because I think Puff came on the show and he described Big as disruptive. Yeah.

Like his look was disruptive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get that feeling when you see him? I didn't even pay attention to that. I was about to skip. The lyrics. Yo, homie, the rap. The flow.

I got to beat to match. You know what I mean? Let's get something popping. But he heard the idea of Juicy. And just, you know, I didn't actually do the actual original. I ended up doing the remix. And that was the only thing me and Big had done. But, you know, if, you know, he did pick beats.

And, you know, we just didn't get a chance to Yeah, he knew what he wanted to rap to Yeah, man He was picking them Now you, Primo How did you first meet Big? I met Big When we moved back to Brooklyn To Fort Greene

When we lived with Brantford We lived in a lot of rough places, man Yeah, yeah, yeah We moved around a lot Fort Greene, East New York When Brantford finally officially moved out lot of rough places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We moved around a lot. This is for green. This is for this way. When Brantford finally officially moved out and went to California, we

turned this place into a frat house, party house. Rizzo was there. The jizzle was there. And where is this at again? Washington between Lafayette and Green. And this is Brooklyn.

Yeah, Brooklyn. Okay, good. It's old school Brooklyn. Yeah, old school. Not gentrified Brooklyn. No, not gentrified. Yeah, yeah. So that you can get killed. We's old school Brooklyn. Not gentified Brooklyn. So that you can get killed. We spots every other store.

Unless we clear, you can get shot. Come on outside. He's like, go ahead. That was a shoot him up corner. This is not the vegan spot. No way, no. This is pre-hipster Brooklyn. This is old English.

I just want him to smile. Oh, yeah. Let's get to it. This is when Biggie wore the same green Army jacket. And the sleeves were about the right to him. So, you know, a little wrist action showing. So, everybody wore it all the time. I knew Nino, Chico, Seas, Kim.

Would they bring you this guy? No. I got to give Mr. C the credit. Mr. C, big him up. But he's from the beginning with Big. He was annoying me. Like, yo, he wasn't Notorious B.I.G. yet. He was Biggie Smalls.

Right. Because somebody else had Biggie Smalls, so he just did his thing. But I used to do a lot of shows with Kane, and there was times that I couldn't. My turntables got damaged. Back then, you carried your equipment on tour. And all your records. And all your records. That's why he had been on DJ Rehab.

Because he wanted to still bring his music. There you go. He got to relax. And Mr. C let me borrow his turntables right before Kane took the stage so the gangsta could perform. So, again, he lit right down the block from all the weed spots that we knew. And so you gotta go out to Mr. C's house and then the dope weed spots are right there.

The new ones. The one that's like, oh no, no, that one's dead now. This one. North Strentham Gates. The nice Franklin Ave area. So then during that time, Mr. C used to call me and go, Preen, Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls. I'm like, see, I'm going to listen to it.

Like, just give me some time. Weeks past, yo, Preem, Biggie Smalls. That's why I'm like, yo, see. Before Unsigned Hype. Yeah. Right? Yeah, just Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls. I'm like, dude, I'm going to listen to it.

Because we were pretty busy at that time already. One day I listened to it, liked it, liked the demos that I heard. And then I met Big on the corner. I was going to the corner store with it, liked the demos that I heard, and then I met Big on the corner. I was going to the corner store with me, Guru, Big Shug, Dap, and Dap was in love with Lil' Kim, and Lil' Kim was like, get away from me, Dap, because they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Lil' Dap. Lil' Dap, Lil' Dap, Lil' Dap, Lil' Boogie T. York, baby, what's up? And that's Dap to this very day. Shout out to Dap.

Big Amo. Group home. Yeah, that's family. Malachi. Malachi got locked up for many. He's home. Welcome home, Malachi. We all connect. Me, J.Ru, all of us are still good.

So then Big was like, yo, he told me he's been stressing you out. I was like, yeah, I finally heard it. I said, we got to get something in. And then he goes, yo, Puff is in business. But he said, Puff is interested in signing me. So this is how far back we go. Before the game. This is 92.

This is 92. He said, Puff is interested in signing me. I said, dude, go with him. I said, Puff not only has money, he got a vision. I said, he going to blow you up. He said, I don't know, man. You know, I want to keep his hood. I'm like, yo, he's the one to go with.

Go with Puff. Wow. And then, boom, next thing you know, I want to keep his hood. I'm like, yo, he's the one to go with. Go with Puff. Wow. You know, and then boom, next thing you know, Puff started coming around. And actually, I tell people this. Puff was the first. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I want you to admit it. Because Puff was the first. Remember his statement. Yeah. But, so what was the first record you actually worked on with Big? Unbelievable. Oh, wow. Unbelievable.

Wow. This is actually what trickles down. Biggie Smalls is trickled down This is what trickled down That was a single That trickled down into Why I gave Jay-Z and them the price A lower price for Reasonable Doubt Because when we did Unbelievable The budget had run out for Big. And I told Big,

I don't have time to make a beat. And he goes, yo, I got $5,000. And I was like, yeah, $5,000. You know, but we were already

cool with each other. But I felt weird telling him no, but I really didn't have the time. And I'm a person, then Pete will tell you this, I make the beat on the spot.

Oh, yes, you do. And that's something that people don't realize. I don't have like 20 beats and go, yo, pick one. Right. Take number six and number four and number seven. You make it for the person. That's a real way to make it.

You cater the beat. You cater the beat. Like Campbell and Huff. They said that's what they do. They make it to the artist. So I didn't have nothing for big. That was dope. You know, a lot of people are like, no, come on, man.

I know you got something. It's like, I don't. I really don't. You come here, we can make it. Big old, I don't care if you're taking pizza, President, and just some funny stab sounds. You know, he knew the slang. Right, right. And you know what stabs is, what we say in the production era.

So he said, I don't care if it's just some stabs. I said, a word? So come on up tonight, then. That's what happened. He comes up. I said, I'll take the $5,000. I said, but if you get a deal and you go platinum, I want

$35,000 per track. Wow. We did the song. After him going platinum. We did the song. Wow, you're back in. Negotiation is crazy. And it's $95,000. It's $95,000. He comes in. We do the song.

It becomes the B-side of Juicy. It was like the street single for Juicy. It was my first gold single, so I was like, wow. As soon as he got the deal to up the money, I remember he goes, yo, I got the check for it. You said 35, right? He said, I got two of them. And he brought me the check, and Puffy gave me the check And I was like Wow he kept his word Oh so this wasn't on paper

This was word It was like Handshake shit Yeah Let's make some noise For Big God damn it God damn it

You've learned so much Hip hop history Right now And getting 30 grand Back 35 back then No That's a big Triple

That's 90,000 That's a big So now let me ask you, because your reputation is like the most hip-hoppist of hip-hoppists. Now, Janet Jackson, you work with Janet Jackson. You work with Christina. Millian. No, no, not Millian. Aguilera.

Aguilera. Didn't you work with Britney Spears as well? No. No? Okay. So now, as a hip-hop producer, you get this call. Aguilera. Did you work with Britney Spears as well? No. Just Christina. That shit is crazy. As a hip-hop producer, you get this call.

What is your first thing to say? For Christina? Yeah. Wasn't it her dude that put her on? Her ex-husband, Jordy, had put her on some of my stuff, but she liked it. So she called me and goes, yo, I just heard the group home album. Oh, shit. Nah. That's it.

Stop. Hold on. Wait, what? I called you and said she just heard Group Home album. I met her at the Chateau Marmont down the hill on Sunset. I don't know where that is.

It sounds fly. Chateau Marmont. That might as well be in Germany. Chateau Marmont is where a lot of big wigs lamp and drink. I'm definitely getting enough money. I never even heard of that guy. It's right down the hill.

It's right before Tower. Right after you pass Tower Records. The big Tower Records right in that area. It's got a big neon sign. Chateau Maman with bushes so you can't really see the spot. She said, my Rolls Royce is outside I saw the white The white phantom

I said she's here Walk in She's sitting there with Jordy She goes Yo I love Groupon And I was like Wow That's random though

To her to just Pinpoint Groupon Is crazy One of the grimeys Out there That's the sickest It's crazy She liked all the

She liked the jazz samples I used on some of the Gangsters So she liked She liked all the She liked the jazz samples I used on some of the gangsters So she liked She liked Jazz things She liked work She liked

Yeah she liked She liked work She liked you know my Steve's Even though that was my soul But the song she was naming With joints like Wow If that attracted you

To want to work with me Let's go in Right And then we ended up We were supposed to do one record, which was called Back in the Day. Next thing you know, she was like, yo, stay here a couple more weeks. And we just started banging out and turned it into five records.

And then that was the first Grammy I ever got for a single, whereas, you know, not for being on the album. I got a Grammy for D'Angelo working on the album and for Jay-Z on Hard Knock Life. Right. But to get one for the single singles out all the other songs on the album And for Jay-Z On Hot Knock Life But to get one For the single Is singles out All the other songs On the album

It's like For that one song You got a Grammy So that was a big Monumental part of my career It was dope It was dope It was beautiful man

It was beautiful Make some noise for that God damn it Now who was it That You said You'll work with them But you wanted to see them

Write the rhyme In their face It was somebody I forget I'll work with them But I want to see them Write the rhyme Write the rhyme

I think it was like A Justin Bieber Or Oh okay Alright yeah He knows The Cypher Which I've been doing

Oh it was the Cypher Yeah for BET We didn't know the Cypher For BET Hip Hop Awards was going to even get this big. Right. It was an idea. It's his own thing now. Shout out to Jesse Collins. And congratulations to Jesse Collins for doing real well with the new edition story.

That was his idea. Yeah, that was dope. And it blew up. It did really, really well. Did big numbers. And Jesse's a good friend of mine. We argue and fight a lot over. No, it's wrong if you do it this way. no, it's wrong if you do it this way,

no, it's right if you do it this way. We fight a lot, but he's such a good friend that we always find a compromise. When he brought up the idea of doing the cypher, it was a one-time thing. It was Papoose, Styles P, Remy, who else was in it, Rhymefest, and then there was a second one.

And those two, I couldn't make it because I was on tour, so I had DJ Scratch fill in for me. I just gave him the beat and said, let's keep it breakbeats only. You know, because now it's elevated. People are like, yo, man, I need something to turn up to. It's like, no, this is the pure form of how we do it. We're keeping the breakbeats.

So are you a producer on that specific thing? I pick the beat, I loop it. I'll do maybe four. James Brown loop, break beats from Ultimate Breaks the Beats, whatever. And I'll send those and whatever one. Jesse's like, yo, I like this one. We'll clear it with whoever owns it and then we'll send it to all the artists and we tell them

16 bars and quit. Everybody's got 90 bars. And it's like they never follow the rules. Then they get mad. Like, yo, they edited my stuff. It's like, no. We told you 16 and quit. Right. And again, it was one time only.

Second year comes around of the Cypher. They're like, we want to do it again. Now they got three Cyphers. Then that turned into four Cyphers a year after that. Now it's starting to get Cyphers where they're starting to put a lot of artists that I'm like, nah, nah, they can't rhyme. Don't put them in there. And it's going into that stage of it where now it's like

where they're popular, they're no more known than the skilled MCs. I'm like, yeah, but if you're taking away the skill, that causes problems with the authenticity. And that's where I have a problem because I wanted to stay authentic. Yeah, but all the fans love them and they're on TV

and they're on every video and these other guys nobody's paying attention to them. I'm like, well, you know what? They're going to pay attention to them when they see how dope they spit these beats. So we always have that fight. One year, they said, yo, what do you think of Justin Bieber spitting on a cypher? I said, I'm cool

with it as long as he writes the rhyme. And if it's a dope rhyme, let's do it. Let's go. They said, what if somebody else writes it? I said, no, I ain't with it. That was it. That was it. Go ahead, Primo.

It blew into it. Go ahead, Primo. It blew out of the water with rumors being saying that I mentioned this person, this person. No. It was just that simple. If he's going to do it, let him spit. And so the next thing you know, it's like, let him write that shit. Next thing you know, it turns into a whole campaign of showing him spitting verses on radio stations and all that.

And I'm like, yo, I'll work with Justin Bieber. As long as it's authentic, let's rock. I don't care if it's Justin Bieber. I don't care if it's Mary Poppins. If it's authentic, let's rock. That's right. But how important is that for you guys? It's very important. So I had no problem with that with Justin Bieber. I was't care if it's Mary Poppins. If it's authentic, let's rock. But how important is that for you guys? It's very important.

So I had no problem with that with Justin. I was like, yes. Right. Let's do it. But just you wanted him to write it in front of you. Yeah. And they didn't say that he wasn't going to write it. They said, what if he doesn't?

And I'm like, then no. Then all of a sudden, it shows on the blog. DJ Premier bans Justin Bieber. It's like, how can I ban nobody? Because if it was my cyphers, you're going to see Kane there, Mel there, Rakim there, DITC doing a whole cypher with A.G. and Diamond and O.C. and all of them. It's going to be people like that, you know.

Right. You see when it's a shady cypher, it was Eminem. You know, people with skills. Eminem, Royce, Joe Budden, Crooked Eye, skills. Now, how important is that for you guys? You guys have the integrity. You guys are top of the line producers. When we speak in real, real, real hip-hop,

you guys' name has to be brought up. Now, is it ever a time where you sit back and say, you know, I'm going to do it for the money this time. Or you say, I'm going to always stay who I am. Always stay who I am. Always stay who we are.

And I've been tempted. Like, damn, that much? Good example. Limp Bizkit. But you know what's in our hearts to be passionate about loving what we do. We do it for the love. So for us it's like that's who we are. Staying authentic. Limp Bizkit was

a good example. Tell us that. Because when my manager kept pressing me to do it, Patrick Moxie at the time I was like nah because Fred Durst can't rap to it. And my eyes on the level of what people... I don't want my fans going, damn, Prem, you work with him. And I like Limp Bizkit for what they do,

but if you're going to get with me... It's not what you do. Your pen has to get a lot more ink. You know what I'm saying? And that's the bottom line. They go, well, Method Man is on the song. I said, oh, word? I said, then send me the rough. They sent me the rough, and Method was on it. I was like, okay, Method Man is on the song. I said, oh, word? I said, then send me the rough.

They sent me the rough, and Method was on it. I was like, then, okay, then I'll do it. And it was a big check, a huge check. One of the biggest checks I've ever gotten. Wow. So the good thing I liked about Fred Durst was he called me and said, I need to talk to Preem. And he was just becoming one of the new executives at Interscope with Jimmy

Iovine. And he said, yo, man. This is recently? No, no, back when they were really popping and we were doing... But he had respect for what you do. And we had a dope conversation and it was to the point, he said, the best you can get out of me, I'll do it.

He came to D&D. So he tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. Nobody, me, I'll do it. He came to D&D. So he tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. Nobody, nobody got no nothing. And they were big at the time. This is a second album. And he was like, yo, get the best you can get out of me. I don't care if you don't like it, whatever. I'll do it.

And that was the best I could get. It was on the song. But the fact that he put the effort in, I liked the fact that he put in the effort and he knocked it out Next thing you know he said yo we're doing a video Flew us out We had a big video shoot We had a good time

It was just a really really fun session And me and Fred were cool after that Before the thing is You guys mentioned Dwick And we didn't go back to Dwick Troy is one of the biggest Hip hop records ever And Dwick is one of the biggest hip-hop records ever. Troy will never be matched.

And Dwight is one of the biggest hip-hop records ever. He is. He is. You can turn that record off. We need to hear the story of Dwight. The only reason why Dwight happened. Because that's all of our summer anthems, by the way. Nicest Mood did a song called,

and it ain't a damn thing changed called down the line right it was with a whole bunch of mcs bass blaster big up to him a whole bunch of other mcs he said bass blaster yeah from connecticut including a shot to ray pouncey and uh ray pouncey and uh and then uh guru's also on it he said i want to loop the manifest beat and do my own version because a lot of people don't know Most of the Nice and Smooth hits, Greg Nice does all the beats Wow I didn't know that I've seen him do it

He's for all that stuff, Hip Hop Junkies Every Hip Hop Junkies Oh my god Oh my god No, Bunch Challenge My bad Sorry, my bad I got the record All that kickin' wicked rhymes like a fortune teller

Had a dog on his old yard He did all that stuff, yeah Greg Knight For me to make it loud Yo, he mad hip-hop right now He the funky for you All that stuff He plays a funky for you All that stuff He plays a sax

No he doesn't play a sax I remember Bram from my cell He don't play no fucking sax But it worked Me and my cell We loved him max He did all those beats So Greg Nice

Is a dope beat maker Wow That's why I used to have conversations So he took the manifest Instrumental Made made a beat And all we were doing was We used to hang tough, it was nice and smooth

Gangstar, riding a D-train We'd go to the Castle, which was grimy In the Bronx And when they had the shootout with Slick Rick We were around all that stuff Boom, next thing you know We said Let's return a favor

And do a record for us So that's all it was Just Y'all do one for us We're gonna do one for you Now we're doing one on the That's why it was a B side And it wasn't on the album

I remember people like Oh yeah Y'all left it off the album It's like nah The album was already done We're just doing it for fun Right We wasn't doing it like

And that became a huge Such a huge And we didn't know It was gonna be a huge hit We didn't know It was gonna be a huge hit We're just doing it in return I didn't know It was going to be a huge hit We didn't know it was going to be a huge hit We're just doing it in return I didn't know it was just for fun

I remember You'd be surprised How Rick is happy I know Shout out to Dub See He was there Aren't you related

To somebody on the west like that No We're just good friends We're just good friends But you did an album with MCA recently Yeah That's coming out MCA

That's a tight track Let's go back Shout out to MCA For Com Yeah, that's coming out. That's a tight track. Let's go back to that. Shout out to MCA for Combs' Most Wanted. He did two of the coolest theme records for Boys in the Hood. He did Grown Up in the Hood. Yeah, no, no, MCA. And he did Straight Up Menace for Menace. So, yeah, we have an album.

We have an album. We have one hit. We have Which Way is West. On camera. It's coming soon. And also the NYT's album. Yo, bad me T-ful. We have Which Way is West. On camera. It's coming soon. And also the NYT's out. Yo, bad meets evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He produced the evil. He produced the evil. And we're one of the connoisseurs of weed, so, you know, people know. And then shout to Tori Wolf and also shout to Miguel, who we have a single out right now called To Loving You. Now, what happened was, where were we? Where were we? Dwick. Dwick. So, Dub happened was where were we? Dwick.

So Dub C was there. Wow, that's cool. And Don Barron from the Masters of Cerebral. Oh! Say a word. Yeah, because he was good friends with Greg Knight. Question though. How did the horny version happen to Dwick?

I was just doing that, just bugging out. Is it the horny version? Yeah, the horny version. And had to You remember how Dad used to glitch And he'd go We couldn't I was like We can't put it out like that So what'd you do Slow it down That's why I just put

The instrumental on there On the B side of the 12 Damn Wow That was perfect Come on When did y'all know You had something with Dwick

Like I mean Immediately When that shit came out When we finished it It was crazy Cause like I said Dub C is from the west coast Wearing Scully's all

In the heat of it Westside Connection And House Shoes And Westside Yeah Cryptout

Cryptout And And Kaki's And And Pendletonons all hot. And I was like, yo, you ain't hot and all that stuff. Like, cuz, this is how it is in the West Coast.

And that's how I learned about the West Coast. And this is 1989. Master Ace had just joined our improv management team. And Master Ace was heavy doing the car show stuff on the West. I knew Suge Knight already back then. He was 89. Suge Knight was Bobby Brown. He was hanging with D.O.C.

He was hanging with lights over the... Oh, yeah, D.O.C. Manager. D.O.C. manager. So I was there with J.J. Fett, the N.W.A., all that stuff. Me and Eazy-E came to the first Gangstar release party in 1989. Did you post a picture or something? Yeah, I posted a picture.

Down with the King. Down with the King. Yeah. So rest in peace to Eazy-E. Love Down with the King. So we met them back in 89. Killed it. You killed it.

But for Dovesy to be there back then, that shows you we go there. And rest in peace to his brother who passed on January 9th. Ice Cube's DJ, Crazy Tunes. That's Dovesy's brother. Oh, yeah, rest in peace. Rest in peace, Crazy Tunes. We sent them off Friday. We had an incredible home-going service in L.A.

Mad people showed up. I saw y'all pictures, man. It was a family reunion, man man Seeing all these West Coast artists From King T And then seeing You know Chuck D And LL there And everybody

And you know Just every artist The hip hop family Yeah It was so packed And they just did it right You know what I'm saying Playing dope music

In the church Playing flashlight And doing a whole collage Of all the people He's been around On a video screen. And then even when it did to everybody, he's got a little...

On the side of the show, Toon's throwing up the W, looking up to the sky with clouds and wings and all that stuff. And I was like, yo, man. You see Norris trying to get... He's the devil. He's the devil. He's like, yeah, that's it. That's it.

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Hey, man, what's up? I'm going to continue. I can't believe. I continue. I got to come back and look at this black guy. Absolutely. Because it's 25 million. You know what the crazy shit is?

What's that? Is this guy is a vinyl guy. He's a real hip-hop person. I am a hip-hop person. So for us to come together and want to commemorate hip-hop, just salute hip-hop, and for it to get $25 million. Shout out to Revolt, man, for picking it up. Shout out to Revolt.

Yes, man. Big up CBS. CBS. CBS was first. But CBS was first. But Revolt's been fucking with us. And the Coming Home series as well. We got this premiere coming

home in LA March 23rd. When you go to LA you got a premiere. Let's pick up your premiere. No, no. I'm doing screening at the LA Film School

March 9th. March 9th. But March 23rd on Revolt airs is the premiere Coming Home Vietnam. I'm going to different countries

and exploring hip-hop. That's big data. That's big data. The dope thing is I've been watching Drink Champs for a minute. I'm going to take this light. Since it started, I feel like you're lighting it up. I've been checking out Drink Champs for a minute. And it's just ill how the two of y'all Are from really different Totally different

Directions Right I've known Nori From the streets Like we've been Streetin' for so long Right Too long

Right Thank you I've seen him elevate From the street level Of rhymin' To the sharper Version of writin' rhymes Right

Even when you and Bumpy had just Drama And then we ended up Doin' a record together And Me and Bumpy together Yeah And even when that ended up doing a record together Me and Bumpy together And even when that happened It wasn't even a diss

He was just like yo I'm a fan of Nori I want him to elevate his rhymes Because I'm a fan Everybody knows Bumpy Freddie Foxx as being a former boy Where he is more into There's certain people he's attracted to For what they represent.

And he loves Noria. Right. And more than just an MC, as a person. Right. He's a big, big fan of you as a person. I big him up. Yeah, I big him up. Because he pushed me.

He told me from the beginning, like if he had mentioned my name on the record, he told me like, nah. I just, I don't want you to say, but I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to keep it 100%. When I recorded Superthug, right, that's how I used to count bars. Really? I used to say, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? Three. Because I'm from the resource room. You know what I'm saying? I was a special education child. Now you can pass it. So I told Pharrell, I said, they're going to laugh at me.

He said, that's the hook. But he was a genius, too. He was a genius, too, because all he did was take out the ones. Like when I said, what, what, what, what, what, what, what. So he just muted it? All he did was mute it. Wow. And then, so I got to give it to Pharrell. Can you believe that?

Can you believe that? Yeah, he muted that. So now when you listen to it, you hear, and you say, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what. That's how I'm going to say that from now on. But yeah. To this day, you don't even got to go to the verse. Yeah.

That tears the club up. Yeah, yeah. This is worldwide. And what I was trying to say was, when I did it, I felt what Bumpy felt. That's why I never took it personal. Because I told Pharrell, I said, Pharrell, all we need is a look. I said, all we need is a look because I'm from a resource room. So, you know, I'm sorry. I said, all we need is a look I said all we need is a hook From a resource room I'm sorry All we need is a hook

And he said relax He didn't say relax but in my mind Pharrell was talking back then He was talking back then I will never forget it We were in Right Track recording studios His chain was choking him He had a tight chain on him.

He had a choker? I was like, you got to release. Because it was just so tight on this nigga. I love him, though. I love him. He knows I love him. That's for real, man. Yo, for real.

I don't have no fucking for real. What up, for real? I don't have no fucking for real kicks. I'm fucking very upset. But I love you, for real. Me and Mr. Lee D kicks So I remember I go upstairs I went upstairs

You remember right track? You remember right track? Yes of course So I went upstairs And I said all we need is the hook And we good And he said we got the hook already And I looked at him

I was like Because I had previously did that On every other record Before that Wow We got mad No reduces But yo

The first time I ever heard you Do a T-O-N-Y And just the whole Wah wah Wah wah It was It's like that's your stamp

That's your stamp Like no one else owns that You're our owner But that's the reason why If anybody else does it It's not right I gotta give it to Pharrell Right

Because he was the nigga Like I, I did that as bar. Remember back then, you got to remember, back then we couldn't punch in. So I recorded the whole record in one take. The whole thing. And it was wild to punch in even if you didn't. It was wild to punch in. No punching in. Yeah, we may outlawed.

Let's make some noise. Yeah, we mad. Let's make some noise. We proud. But listen, I'll be 51 March 21st. God damn it. Make some noise. And you look at me. 21 back there, bro.

So, Bream, so I did this shit. That's how I always recorded my records was all the way through because remember, we had the 8-inch rails back then. 2-inch rails. 2-inch rails.

I got to relax. Whatever you think it was, it was. I was trained to just lay everything all together. I came out and then he had the girl come in and the girl was saying...

Which is not Kellis because everybody thought it was Khalees. Everybody thinks it's Khalees. It's not Khalees or what what. Everybody thought it was Khalees. I don't know. It's not Khalees. She's not on what what? She was around during that time. Yeah, but everybody thought that. Who is it? I'm so sorry that I forget his name.

I don't remember her. Tammy. It's definitely a Tammy. Sounds like you made up that name. That was an era Something like that right That was an era Something like that That was an era of time

That we were all cool Khalees But look So I come back out And I say yo For real All we need is a hook And we done

And he said We got dog And I said Where is it at And then he played it What What What What They gonna laugh at me And he said, be God, dog. And I said, where is it at? And then he played it. What, what, what, what? I was like, they're going to laugh at me.

So when Freddie Fox came at me, he was like, I don't want the hit of what, what, what. But he didn't know that wasn't me. It literally wasn't me. So I was literally mad. Mona, what's going on? Big up to Mona. What up, Mona? Damn near the owner of that drink, Chaz. God damn what's going on? Big up to Mona. Good on you, Mona. Damn near the owner of Drink Champs, goddammit.

The owner? Damn near. In my mind, goddammit. Shout out to damn near the owner. So now, listen. You guys see hip-hop. You worked with Guru. Rest in peace, Guru, man. Rest in peace.

Rest in peace. You worked with C.L. Smoove. Heavy D. Heavy D. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. You worked with CL Smooth. Heavy D. Rest in peace, Heavy D. I'm going in. So now, what makes y'all say, I'm going to work with people outside of... Because the thing about hip-hop back then was one producer did the whole album. I'm working on going back to that.

One producer did the whole album. Now, you got Illmatic, where it's Pete Rock, Premier, Q-Tip, Lars Professor, L.E.S. Then you go into Big. The Easy Mo B. Big. Uh-huh. Then you go into at the... Big. The Easy Mobile. Big. Easy Mobile. Lord Finesse.

Lord Finesse as well. Lord Finesse, yeah. LP. Yeah, Lord Finesse. Lord Finesse. So what makes y'all say, I'm going to work with people outside of my group? Because we're not just...

We're just not in a hip hop box We're in a music box And a music box has all styles That we appreciate Based on the cloth We're cut from Of pioneers that opened the door Earth, Wind & Fire, James Brown

Bootsy The whole Parliament Funkadelic movement Any of that From Parlette, Braza Funkadelic Anything Bootsy, the whole Parliament Funkadelic movement Any of that, from Parlette Brazza Funkadelic, anything Bootsy Anything Parliament, anything George Clinton That's an era after James Brown that's so funky That's a funk

Like he says, funk not only Moves, it can remove We come from that Aretha Franklin, Natalie Cole Gladys Knight and the Pips, Curtis Mayfield, all that stuff, and Mac, all that stuff. That's my childhood. I don't know nothing about no hip-hop to hippie to hippie. I'm on that.

I'm seeing my mom playing back to the world. Dying in the Ross. Yeah, Dying in the Ross. Anything Motown. Tamla, Gordy, Soul Records, any of that stuff. I'm good. My mom. I'm going to try to get you hit one more time.

It's drink chance, god damn it. I'm on camera. Dental emoji. What's that smoke chance? Dental emoji. He want to make a smoke chance. Nah, he Rastafarian. He Rastafarian.

He's Rastafarian Roots. He's Rastafarian Roots. He's Rastafarian Roots is saying why, why. But my childhood is platform shoes Afros is big Afro sheen commercials With Johnson Good times The Jeffersons

All in the family The monsters That's my mama That's my mama Now I'm going to throw something in the air What's happening That's my mama. Now I'm going to throw something in the air. What's happening? That's my era. All the rock and stuff.

All that. You know all that? Roller skating. Rerun. That's what I know. This is no rapping and scratching yet. What is Pete Rock's favorite studio session? Out of all these years. My favorite studio session out of all these years?

My favorite studio session that I've ever had? Ever had. Would probably have to have been with Run DMC. Wow. Down with the king. Oh, shit. Down with the king. Oh, down with the light.

That's how powerful that shit was. That's how powerful that shit was. God damn it That's the owner of this club And he knocked the light And we got the light You know what's so ill? Yo, we were on a gangsta tour

Last day And Ryan Run called us And said, hurry up and get here We did 25 million streams Why was our light going out? And we did not And we did not Because we're broke

And they said Y'all would have been perfect Naughty by nature We were just like Yeah, they was all there They was all there And we came over to where y'all was And everybody was gone

Damn You know I gave CBS this idea though Come on bro I gave CBS this idea, though. Come on, bro. I gave them that idea. You gotta relax. No, you gotta relax. I gave them. I said, we need a streaming plaque. No, we said it on the podcast, buddy. We did say it?

I said podcast plaque. I gotta go with you. I gotta go with you. Why? He feels more sober than me? Yeah. I don't know if it's a DJ thing. Yes, yes. You can do a Valkyrie. We have a memory.

Yo, Jay-Z. Oh, you got to relax. Jay-Z saw me one day. Jay-Z said, yo, I'm going to call you Memory Man. You remember every show. I'll be seeing Jay-Z, and he'll go, what you remember this time? I'll say, I remember we were in Paris. We had a show Like two in the morning

And he was doing This is after the Justin Timberlake tour And Watch the Throne He was doing The Holy Grail tour We found out He was in town

Me and Keebler Wherever Keebler's at I said Yo I want to go see Jay-Z perform We reach out That's when he was still Was that with you?

Nah nah This is in Paris It's not the Minneapolis thing? No it's in Paris Okay And we got a couple Little time I said I want to go to the show We reach out. That's when he was still with us. Was that with you? No, no. This was in Paris. It's not the Minneapolis thing? No, it was in Paris. Okay. And we got a couple little times. I said, I want to go to the show.

I reached out to the proper people. And they was like, yo, John. When he was with John Manili. John Manili. He said, reach out to John Manili. He's handling everything. I reached out to John. Sent him an email.

I'm like, I'm out of here. Any way we can go to the show. I'm thinking he ain't going to respond. That thing blipped in like two minutes. He's like, yo, there's going to be passes waiting for you. All access. Come backstage. I'm going to have a spot for you.

Wow. Let's make some noise for Jay-Z. I'm sorry, Primo. As soon as we go backstage after the show, because Timberland was DJing for him. We go backstage after the show. Jay-Z goes, I will remember you got this time. Hey, because I'm introducing him to Keebler, my tour manager? He goes, hey. Keebler.

Yeah, he did. Thank you for hooking us up, brother. Thank you, Keebler. He's like, how you doing? He's like, how you doing, Keebler? Nice to meet you. He goes, now, what you got memory this time? I said, you met Keebler before.

He goes, oh, no. How? I said, we were at Baseline Studios, and Lupe Fiasco was auditioning for you. Oh, shit. And he had on a big chain. This is like Lupe Fiasco had a big chain on with a big medallion. Which he would never do right now. And he was rapping for you now.

And then he was much more focused on another level. Lupe Fiasco, come on, drink champs. What up, Lupe? Lupe's a homie. Yeah, big mom Shout out to First and 15 So he goes

He's auditioning for J.J. Listen to all these rhymes Lupe puts on a beat In the CD player The CD starts to go You know when they skip Yep Lupe goes

And then And then It finally stops skipping And goes back into the rhyme. And we're like, damn. So he killed it. So right there, Jay goes, I totally remember that day. And he'll be in there the next day.

You know, him and Keeble are off in the corner talking about sports. Let's make some noise, guys, for that. Now, here's the deal. Like, when I interview people, I like to, you know, dig into their life. Right. When I know the people, I don't dig into their life because I know them already. Both of you guys I know already. Yeah.

I know exactly what to ask you. But the thing about y'all, what surprised me is y'all both come and y'all both do your own soundcheck. Oh, yeah. Is that? Yeah. Mandatory. And so. They DJs, man.

No, but what I'm asking is I always would think. I always would think, like, you guys would have a DJ. But he'll do my soundcheck. We were talking about this, me and him. Yeah, I was so, like. He's like, I thought they had DJ I was like They didn't have a DJ

I'm like Let Primo do it Yeah that's how We've done shows And I'm like yo Mixes the even Everything's good He's gonna make it right

Every show we did Wow The speakers Somehow They gotta bump I have to They gotta do soundcheck I don't care

Even if I don't get to eat Sleep I'm starving Some of the foulest Niggas in the world I do soundcheck. I don't care. Even if I don't get to eat, sleep, I'm starving. Some of the foulest niggas in the world. I'm about to take a nap. I hate soundcheck. I will not miss soundcheck. Absolutely. They producers.

They can sell. Got to be right. Because a lot of festivals, you got to just plug in, do a mind check. I'm like, yo, it's got to bang. Because I'm going to deliver what you paid to get. What you paid for, you're going to pay to get me again. And you want your beat to be heard right. So you don't ever send your assistant or nobody.

You guys. Keele said, well, check it again before we start tonight. But other than that, nah. I got to be there. I want to even see what the room looks like. So I already have a picture of what I'm stepping into when the crowd is here. But you got to let a man do what he got to do. Yeah.

If he want to do it, he want to do it. Yeah. He want me to be like, yo, I see you. I see you going out. Let me do it. I see if Primo didn't yell, he was like, yo, he said you would have stayed there. I would. I would have been DJing.

No, he was in. He was spinning the rest of the night. You know what that is? That's just the love of hip-hop. He was about to open up for himself. He would have. Yeah, he would have. Dude, he would have done another hour, and we'd be like, yo, Pete, come on.

And it's not even a bad thing. It's like, yo, Pete, come on. We've been on the road where I'll get mad, and not in a bad way. It's like, Pete, we got to go. Yo, I'm at the record store. No, he forgot we were here. Dude, we were in Tokyo one time And we're about to miss our plane

And he goes I gotta get this record We're like yo I'm not missing my plane For you especially on the day you're finally going home And you know the day you're going home You're just so ready to go back home And we've been out for like a week In another country and he's like

Yo I gotta get this record I'm like Dawgs If we do not Make this plane Because of you We're gonna And that's actually how the whole

P-Rock vs. Premiere thing started Because of that day We got on the bus I said you know what Man we need to make an album Where we can get our attention out And make an album Going at each other

Making hill We're gonna do an album We're gonna do an album called PVP PVP versus Premiere god damn it the hats are available that's the record

that record are we doing that you can buy the hats right now send me that record I'll do it come on yeah I have a website

that carries the hats what's on that wait wait say the website again premierewashere.com go to rock.com too and just go to the shop section.

Ooh, I didn't mix that at all. He has all official... That was not good. He has all official Gangstar products, all official Guru products, all official Premier products. And me and Pete share the hats. And we have green, red, blue, black, gray, and black. We have two tones. So what happened when y'all saw this battle?

Individually. In Japan. That's where it started. I'm talking about when y'all saw the Just Blaze and Swiss battle. Everybody was acting like that was the first battle. You know what? Because we've been doing it so much that it was more like,

alright, cool. And this ain't their first battle together. They've done it before. No, no, not with Just. No, this is their first one. It started from Drink Champs. No, that was with Kanye. It started in Drink Champs. But it started on Drink Champs. Get on with Kanye.

That's different from ours, though. Right. No, y'all's is like migrating the culture. And the next day, they started posting that me and you need to. I'm like, we've been doing it. Yeah, you've been doing it. It's like y'all missed the fucking ride. No, I'm a hip've been doing it You've been doing it It's like y'all missed it They need to go on You know I'm a hip hop historian

I know But what did you What was your first thing When you heard that they battled And it got Well Swiss I have the phone Yeah

Where's my phone at I'll show you Swiss texted you to come Yes He did Yo King We believe you Actually while we wait

I forgot I got We got gifts We I got We got gifts We got gifts We got gifts for y'all man Drink champ shirt Pick up the 89 clothing Shout out to 89

I remember when you did The remix To There he goes again See how old People remember So how old is it now It was me

God damn I don't know Give it to me Alright I'm in But It's from the perspective Of what we think is hot And I remember God damn it. I don't know. Give it to me. All right. I'm in. But it's from the perspective of what we think is hot. And I remember when you did the remix to Zolski calling,

I ain't picking up. Zolski, you did it with, what's his name, City Boy D? Yep. Look at Primo. He knows. This nigga got a hell of a brain. Now hit that. You did a version. Hit that, Primo.

You got to stop. That's on top. Devil emoji. Devil emoji. It's got the devil. There you go. Pass it to me now. Yes, yes, yes.

It seems like it's my turn. I played. I said Diego. I played your version More than Fab But shout to Fab Fab is a dope lyricist And knows how to do club records

Radio records And still have a really clever way of writing his rhymes Love Fab I'm a big fan of his But your version fit more the format of what I represent The most grimiest, muddiest, dirtiest, like you said, no clean shoes, no high heels.

Your version was the one I played. So, we're on every Friday night from 10 p.m. to midnight on Sirius XM, Satellite Radio, Channel 44, Hip Hop Nation. And what I represent is the era

Of the 80's with Molly Mar, Red Alert, Chuck Chillout Also too Shout out to Mike Just in the 2000 era or whatever Year we're in, I still keep it to that And there's so many artists that have hot stuff

Out that will never get played Anywhere else so I'm like I'll play it. Send it to me if I like it and it's on that level. It's going to get broken. And that way, not only do you trust me, you also start to focus on, you know what? If he's playing it, it's got to be real.

And that's really what it is. So all of that truth was that. But now, the Just Blaze, Swiss Beasts battle. So. It happens, right? I'm on my way to the show. And then they're saying, they're acting like this is the first battle.

I'm on my way to the show, and Swiss is texting me saying, yo, I'd like you to come check this out. But my show's on from 10 to midnight. It's starting at 10 o'clock. Right. He's like, yo, man, I really like you. And I would have gone. Definitely. I definitely would have gone.

But I'm not abandoning my show because, again, it's live. If it's pre-recorded, cool. Right. Live is a whole different animal. Live is when you have, we're not scripted, nothing. We just roll. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. And when it comes to how we do it, everything just flows from minute to minute, second to second, beat to beat, voice to voice on just the realness of hip hop from my perspective. So when it came to Swiss Beats and Just Blaze doing the show, as soon as I got off the air, I checked my Instagram and saw they were live. I went to Swiss Beats, I clicked on it it I went to see my man DJ Rectangle Who's one of the Dopest battle DJs

Ever He'll make the Scratch vinyl Yeah I'd go To his show To watch him do A party gig

And I'm in there With my phone going Two in the morning I'm like It's still on From ten o'clock To two And I'm doing they're still on From 10 o'clock to 2 And I'm doing this

Looking at them a little bit Then they switch it over Now I just got the beat I'm doing this Q-tip called me and said Yo tune in at 10 o'clock And the guy was going What are you doing

I said yo Just Blazin' I'm still battling It's almost 2 in the morning And I'm sitting there doing this In a corner in the club where it looks like I'm like a sore thumb. But I'm like, nah, I'm watching this and checking it out because I want to see what they're doing to battle. Because they started pulling out beats at no one's army. They went in.

So that's why I'm like, man, they've been going for it. So, Green, were you still a fan of the culture like that? I will remain. Because you know why? I guess being from Texas, I wanted to be accepted by New York because at the time I came, if New York didn't accept you, it didn't matter where you were from. In that time, yeah. You needed that acceptance.

I got that acceptance from the greats. Yes. I wanted EPMD to love me. I wanted Big Daddy Kane to love me. I wanted Rod Kim. KRS-One. I wanted Grandmaster Flash Flash, Marley. All these motherfuckers better be on there. You got that?

And Mardog. They better be on there. And Mardog. Same as me. DJ Jazzy J. You became that. Jazzy Jeff, Cash Money, DJ Scratch, and I just want Howie T. Give me the blunt.

You ain't smoking. Yeah, I saw you smoke, though. I did earlier. No, let's just say he's not smoking. Earlier was five minutes ago. That's not too early. That was recent. I told you 50 years old your mind stays sharp this is when you know you're on point. Never has any drug that I've ever used defeated me. Very important. And now at 50, I'm on my level.

You got to take a molly, though. Let's take a molly. No, this is this guy. That was junior high. Yo, stop it, buddy. Dude, that was junior high, ninth grade. You hit a molly before this guy. What's next, heroin? No, no, no, no Heroin No no no That was 81

When it was called Black molly And that was the only Oh my god There's a black molly What the fuck Put a song What is this

Put a song He wants a black molly I would like a black molly I would take a black molly Like I said All that stuff now Is just He's like that's not

All that stuff is Mumble jumble stuff now You know what I'm saying So like I said This is that stuff now is just all. He's like, that's not the business. All that stuff is mumble jumble stuff now. You know what I'm saying? So, like I said, these are my high school days. So, my high school days, I graduated in high school in 84. Okay. So, imagine our era of getting lifted. And you're looking good and we're going to respect you.

I just started training again. Shout out to Vic Black. I'm getting my, you know, I love food, man. I love ice cream. I love Hershey's chocolate syrup. This is the first time ice cream got shouted out on the podcast. Boy, that's hard. And that's what I'm saying.

When you go to a Baskin-Robbins. You can shout it out, ice cream. If you go to a Baskin-Robbins and get three scoops and a cup, it ain't official until you take the Hershey's syrup and gouge it until you can't see it. When you make a ruler, you don't want to see no green. But you know the green is in the blood.

That's how you do it. That's the level that we come from. We just went from ice cream to drugs. You know, I don't want no dirties. I just say nothing. The only thing I listen to, Nancy Reyes, tell him, Pring that we've lost, and that we've lost to all different things from being shot,

being into bad diseases, eating bad, health, all that stuff, it let me know I'm here for a reason, love your life, and fix your life to be able to have a longer life. My parents are 88. Let's make some noise for them. My parents are 88. My mom's 88. My dad are 88. Let's make some noise for them. My parents are 88. My mom's 88. My dad's 88.

They got issues, but they're still kicking. My father makes all the food. He's like, get away. Stay out of my kitchen. Stay and get out of my way. I want to be 88 doing that. But I guarantee they never did the black molly. You don't know that.

Just put it this way. I guarantee. He won't admit it. He won't admit it. Where's the black this way. I guarantee you. Where's the black molly? I'm in. When I was in high school, you had black mollies? Yes. 10th grade, I was 16.

That's horrible. You're talking about black mollies. When I was 16, when I was 16, there was only one ecstasy. Only one. Wait, wait. What year is this?

1982. 82, there was already ecstasy? 82, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. 82, there was ecstasy? I'm 41. Oh, damn.

Wait, there was ecstasy in 82? What the fuck? Ecstasy? It's a white beard gang, but chill out, guys. Somebody cool over here, bro. Yo, why is that a surprise? Yo, dude, it was only one Ecstasy? It's not a white beard gang, but chill out, guys. Everybody cool over here, bro. Yo, why is that a surprise? Yo, dude, it was only one ecstasy. It was the color of this wood right here.

This wood? Yeah. It was called ecstasy? Yes. But damn, that shit wasn't popping until the 90s. You weren't around during that time. No diss? No, no, no.

I was talking about that. You said you're 41. I'm 10 years older than you. You got to relax. Again, 81. I graduated high school in 84. I graduated in 83. I graduated in 93.

Listen, there was one style of XTC, one style of Molly. That was it. There wasn't all 20 and 10. There wasn't Billy Bear and Cherry. There was all those pills already. There wasn't Billy Bear and Cherry Juice and all these funny names. And you smoked cocaine as well. Smoking cocaine was more of a...

Smoking cocaine. It's called a coulee. It's called crack. A wooly. No, a wooly is crack and weed. Also, a coulee is coke and a cigarette. I don't care how you smoke coke, it's crack. Damn! It's crack. Yeah, yeah.

I was born in 77. It's all good. 77 to Blackout, I was there. I was visiting my grandfather. I do remember the Blackout. It was at your birth in my mind. But I was there staying with my grandfather. Turn on your bringer, buddy. During those days, it was only one of each type. That's why

when I see what's going on now, it's like, damn, man, these people are so lost because there's all kinds of weird shit floating out. I don't want to be around none of that. You know, we're around the pure. And again, that's kind of like the hippie 70s. Right. Hallucinogens. It was a time. But those beats you was making.

The barbiturates. You can't give the drugs a little bit of props? Give the drugs a little bit of props? We did that at the beginning. Yo, you're the only guy that gives drugs. Make some noise for drugs? I just feel like you got to make noise for drugs. I'm not making noise.

No, no, no, no, no. Sorry. Say no to drugs. Say no to drugs. Say no to drugs. But again, I'm glad that I made it. It's better if we drink. I'm glad that I understand the concept of that era.

Because understanding it and understanding where your cutoff point is, you don't need no rehab. You rehab yourself with your mind. That's right. I always said that. You got to have control of yourself. Yeah, 100%. The substance can't control you. I don't want to tell myself that's too much.

Go back to normal. And that's how people can't control you. I don't want to tell myself that's too much. Go back to normal. And that's how people can wonder about you. But they can't say, yo, my man is lost. He's gone. You can never say, I'm gone. I'm always here. Let's make some noise for that guy. Now, Pete, you was recently beefing with one of these young people.

What young nigga you was beating with? Hey, listen, man. Who was you beating with? Lil Yachty? From Yachty, Young Dolph. You don't even know who he was beating with. I mean, all of us from our time. What happened?

We all dissatisfied with the record. Let's describe what happened. You ain't dissatisfied with the record? No, he's not. He's not. He's not. I'll say this. We had a retargetment the other day.

Listen, I had a little Uzi Vert situation. Oh, that was you? Yeah. Was it a cypher? It was a cypher, sir. But I wasn't offended by that. Why would I be offended that he don't want to rap to that? That's not what he want to rap to.

What beat was it? Mass Bill. That's not really a beat you freestyle. It don't make sense for him. It don't make sense for him. It don't make sense for him, which I'm not mad at you. I have other gangsta beats you can rap to for freestyle.

What are you talking about? It wasn't Mass Apparel. It was. It was Mass Apparel. It was. It was Mass Apparel. I'm a memory man. Or Ebro in the morning.

I saw it. I saw it too. And what happened? Let's describe this. Because I'm not rapping to that. And he said, why he's not rapping to that? I was getting on the breakbeat.

So listen. He still wouldn't have done it. Twitter started blowing up on my Twitter. Started getting out of hand. Everybody dissing him. Then he joins in. So I watch to see what he says. So I check his traffic.

Because I got to make sure I'm on point. Before I do anything, you always got to stay focused on being on point. I know who I am. I don't never want to be looked at as the person that got played ever. And I'm not going to be looked that way ever. When I checked the thread, I was like, yo, because it's getting out of hand.

My fans are going hard on him. They're doing with this. They want to kill him. Throw it out there. I'm like, listen, big up to him, man. He ain't got around to that. If he don't like that, he doesn't like that.

That's what I put. That's real. Let him rap to what he feels like is comfortable. So that made him join in. I said, yo, DM me. We DM'd each other. He said, listen, man, anything I can learn from you, put me on and give me some. That's real as fuck.

That's real as fuck. I said, you know what? I said, I'm down to do a joint with you. My fans may get mad, but the only difference is... I'm not going to make a record that I can't let leave the studio till me and him on the same level where it's like, yo, wait till they hear it.

You're not going to compromise yourself. You're going to work... Let me tell you something. When you work with Preem, on the same level where it's like, yo, wait till they hear it. You're not going to compromise yourself. You're going to work. No, no, but that's the thing about Cream. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. When you work with Cream or you work with Pete,

these brothers are so professional. All you got to do is send the vocals and then relax. Like I said, he taught me skills that I turned into my own skill. It's not biting him, but he's like, yo, this is how you do it.

I was like, how are you making the bass get fuller and mimic the sample? He said, it's the same sample, but I filtered it. I'm like, but how do you do that? He says, come over, I'll show you, but don't show nobody. He shows me, I'm like me so you turn it to that same thing we have but I never knew that part of the equipment he's a turn into that I started doing it X girl the next girl Right when you go into it, your friends. It reminds me of all my relationships. So when it goes in that part, where does it go? It muffles.

I sent it to Pete to make sure I was doing it right. I love my wife. I'm sorry. I believe in myself and all that stuff, but I wanted to make sure I was doing it right. So I sent it to him for approval. And I go, yo, did I do it right? He goes, oh, that's going to be a hit. It was a hit.

Big hit. You got a pee-pee? When goes, oh, that's going to be a hit. It was a hit. Big hit. You got a pee-pee? When you come back, I got a pee-pee. That right there shows you that the respect for what he was doing before I even knew how he was doing it, he was willing to show me the trick because he didn't take it like, oh, no, you want to beat my pipe, my style? No. Let me borrow that tool.

And then when I applied that tool, it wasn't a bite. It's just another extension of what he taught me. That's why him, Lars Professor, and Showbiz are my three mentors. And again, Marley Mall didn't show me anything in person. But just what he did. Make the music with your mouth, biz. Nobody beats the biz. Road to the Ridges.

A lot of people in the circle have said they've given him the, I gave him that record. That's all good. He did the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. That's what it's all about. Who made it bounce that way? Who made your echo sound that way? Who made your voice sound funky that way? Marley did it.

And that's all that matters to me. Right. Because that's what makes me be premier in order to stay doing it the way I do it for the rest of my life and in my passing. It's because of how I study a great one. So whatever you brought to him is what you brought to him. He still made it glow The guru used to always say that You and Eddie Sancho

Make everything glow Sancho He said I just lay my part down But you make it light up Molly makes things light up So no matter what you bring him Or you gave him everything He made it light up

But without the light There's darkness I want to be in the light What do y'all think about like The separation of sampling And hip hop To now I mean Does it matter We understand the rules And the samples I want to be in light. What do y'all think about the separation of sampling and hip-hop? Does it matter? We understand the rules and the sample laws.

I understand the sampling and financially, but it takes away the soul. Me personally, I think sometimes it does. You just get iller with your sampling. And cutting it? So nobody knows what it is. But you're still sampling. You might go, and just get the it is But you're still sampling You might go But you're still sampling

Or follow a Jay Dilla Blueprint Which is what? The chops I mean we're lost Chopping the records in little little little pieces Like a lot of the records We know now

The safety zone Versus And then if it's to a point Where we gotta do it And it's really that That important Clear it Clear it

I clear stuff now I got mad clearances now No we got no money We can't clear anything Don't tell me that I'm about to get fucked up You're in trouble Like I said

He taught me scratch hooks If you just listen To a lot of my joints This is me scratching Your scratches are crazy My shit Cause you were doing radio Already with Molly

I'm like damn This new guy Pete Rock He's nasty Because Molly Had a certain scratch style I just want to show this out there I'm kind of a foul nigga.

I'm going to smoke a camel crush. Smoke a camel. In our face. Smoke your face. In our face. We're all going to die because of him right now. I'm good, but good. This is Winthor.

Just give us cancer. White people, Winthor. Okay. Winthor. White people like Lucky Strags, Parliament's. You got to fuck with the white people. Parliament's. Twin, you leaving?

I'm going to the bathroom. All right. You good? No, I'm going to the bathroom. Parliament's is the white people. Parlaments. Twin, you leaving? I'm going to the bathroom. All right, you good? Yeah, yeah. You know I'm going to the bathroom? Parlaments is a white person. When we did the record, the record that we did together, I think that I was the first person to ask you to cut up Guru's vocals.

You sent me everything. Right. Was I the first person to do that or no? No. Because Jay- Z did it No no but After his death That's what I'm saying

Yeah Okay I don't know And you sent me everything Yeah yeah yeah No he had hosted Mad Mix Hates for me Yeah K Slay

And I was honored Yeah K Slay Yeah yeah Had K Slay as well Yeah yeah yeah No DJ EFN No EFN was Guru

DJ was K-Slay. K-Slay. Damn, your memory really is impeccable. Holy shit. I have nothing against him. I think DJs have ill memories. Yeah, we have some memories. I apologize for actually doing that.

No apology needed, Nori. But, yo. Guru passed us away. There's no apology needed when you have this. That works. So, but we don't need that. Apologies. Ap apology needed when you have this. You can't get that. Apologies don't get you this. I only sold one million records. So if you have 20,

you niggas better stop listening to us. Jesus. But ghoul passes away. Ghoul passes away. What's his man? I forgot his name. You got to say it. I can't say it.

Oh, just... No, no, no, no. Not even with the G. Oh, suck, suck. Yeah. Holy shit. I don't even know what's going on right now. Can you help me out?

He don't deserve to be said for my mom. It's not a good person? Yeah. I ain't going to say it either. Oh, Solar. Solar in France. No, no. That's two different ones. MC Solar is not a good person? I ain't going to say it either. Oh, Solar. Solar in France. No, no, that's two different ones. MC Solar is not the same one?

MC Solar is S-O-L-A-R. So it's another Solar? He's from France. He's dope. That's my dude. Right. So it's another Solar together. Of course.

All right. So we got to clarify that. He's the original Solar. So Solar. I'm so sorry to ask you this. As long as you say it. But Solar makes these claims. And then where does Premier stand on these claims?

Oh, like ownership and all that type of stuff? Yeah. I'll put it to you like this. People can yap, say what they want to say and all that type of stuff. That's all cool because I don't have nothing to say when it comes to that. Right. But if old boy does anything, then I'm going to have have nothing to say when it comes to that. But if old boy does anything, then I'm going to have a lot

to say. It's a problem. Simple and plain. That's my Belichick moment. That was Bill Belichick. Anything is done. We love you. We love you back. We love you And everything you meant

To hip hop And then you know It was a funny moment Well I don't know Everything I mean to hip hop Because I'm still here No Everything you mean

To hip hop I apologize Everything you mean To hip hop And you know It was a funny moment For us in hip hop When we got to hear

Like You know It's like Yo gangsta And you know And then Then this guy. We never, because we, it's similar to how Pun. Like, when Pun died, I walked to his casket, and they told me, I said.

He had all the jewels. Yes, yes, he did. Because I thought the casket, most funeral homes, the casket's at the front. Yep. His was in the middle of the floor. Middle of the floor. Yep. So when I walk in It's like oh he's right there

Yeah he's right there And the casket was I've never seen a casket like this Okay I've never seen a casket like this The casket was short Alright And super duper wide

Alright And he had all his T.S. chains Around his hands Uh And it looked like He was kissing the sky Cause his lips were puckered up Like Wow That's crazy And that's my memory And my point My point of bringing this up was around his hands and it looked like he was kissing the sky because the lips were puckered up like

wow that's crazy and that's my memory my point to bring this up was when I when I went to Pun's casket

people told me that Pun suffered that Pun what? Pun suffered right and that now he's in a better place and I didn't

I didn't know what people meant by that so when I heard you know Google Pass yeah and I've never I've never seen Google suffer nah I didn't know what people meant by that. So when I heard, you know, Google pass. Yeah.

And I've never seen Google software. Nah. Me neither. Me neither. Okay. So everything was just a strange stuff. Not just me. Everybody in our.

It felt like. Not the fans. Who we are massive. It's strange to everybody. It's strange to me. It's strange to the fans because old boy don't know my man like I know my man. We

know him well. If I really wanted to grade dude on a five quiz questionnaire, I guarantee you he'll fail every answer. Simple and plain.

Because you had to really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really know my dude. So you will fail. I can watch you right now and make every little, and simple questions. Not hard ones. Simple questions. He's going to fail and it's going to also

be multiple choice. A, B, C, or D. I'm not going to pick the right answer. And I know this because I know this. And I know him. I know both of them. So that's why I don't entertain him. Because anytime he wants to ever go there, I'm here.

And if I'm not here, I'm here. You feel me? God damn it. Thank you very much. For me, I'm getting gangsta motherfuckers right now. I will not say his. You feel me? God damn it. Thank you. That's why I do gangsta motherfuckers right now. I will not say his name. It's not worthy of him. Thank you.

Thank you. I don't take that. Because hip hop needed to hear that. Hip hop really needed to hear that. How can we make him do that? When things is the right move, I know when it is. I got the right people around me. From legal, to my management, to my my artists to me even being in the street.

I have a street mentality that keeps me grounded. And I have a dope mom and dad and sisters and nieces and nephews. I got a five-year-old son who's my dude. Shout out to his mother. She's on point. Everybody. Like, we're that connected on making sure we don't ever fuck up with the social media stuff, making us look like we're fools.

I ain't going out like that. I'm Premier. Yes, sir. That you motherfucking... Motherfucking DJ Premier P. Listen, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. When me and this guy to the right of me started this we sat down and we said we want to

only give love to the legends no doubt the legends of hip-hop y'all agree and you guys are the epitome of oh this is this is the pinnacle and i can't i can't thank you enough like you know both of you guys have gave me beats. And... That's what's crazy about this situation. The thing about it is I still can't... We ain't doing that tonight. I still owe you... You coming tonight? Yeah, we here. We here. I still owe you both.

No doubt. Because I love you. No, you don't. Nah, I love you guys because I definitely owe you. He said he don't. I mean, I've been starving. I've been starving to give you a song. But that beat tonight, please give me that. Please give me that. That beat was crazy.

Please give me that. Oh, man. Yo, my dude. I was cutting the beat for that song. Yo, yo, yo. Oh, my God. I grabbed the mic. He goes, you got a mic?

He goes, give me the mic. Because I'm more peaked than no. You still got it. So he's about to open up the clouds. Give me the mic Because I want Pete to know So You still got it You still got it Open up the club I don't got to know that man Nah but listen I really want to do this

For your album Pete For man If it wasn't for you guys I probably wouldn't Have a childhood No doubt And this is real shit

Appreciate that man And that's real shit I really love you guys But you gave us joints That we love No but I want to The first time I heard Bam

Bam Bam Bam from TV You gave us joints that we love. The first time I heard... It's in my ankle. I don't give a fuck. Not only killed that, everybody on that song destroyed it. I wanted to do a posse cut. You know what happened? I wanted to do a posse cut. You know what happened? I wanted to do a posse cut.

Nature body that opened. Whoever goes first to me and whoever goes last has the most pressure. I went last. That was that era. Because right now, we do a feature record.

After pun? It was Nature, pun, cam,ox, and then I'm the last. You can what what all you want to. That's what I wanted to do. Y'all do. But you know what? My whole life, my whole career, it wouldn't make sense if it wasn't for you. I have a question on that song.

You said, that's why I'll never do a song with you. Was I directing anybody or was that just hate? You talking about somebody, bro. I'm so petty. He's super petty. I know he was talking about somebody. Was he directing somebody? Because you know it can also be universal just to anybody. No, no, he's talking about somebody.

I know this guy. It was like Joseph on the block. Yes, this is very true. Because the thing about it is this. I'm very petty. For me, I'm sorry. Pete, Pete, I'm very petty, Pete. So, I don't give a fuck.

If you're trying to come up and you take a slight shot at me, I'm coming to fuck at you. Right, right. I'm bodying you on the record. Which is very hip hop. It just might go black. Right. But that's who I am. When I met him,

this is how he looked at me. He had all these twists in his head. That's right, I did. He had a headband on. He's at the front door. Yo, we got a session up at D&D. Yo, for me, I love your stuff. Yo, Jose Luis.

Not Jose Luis. How you doing? love your stuff. Yo, Jose Luis. Not Jose Luis. How you doing? He's like, yeah, Jose Luis. Please. But the fact that I was in L.A. It was a pull-off. L.A. was really bumping with a lot of DJs at that time because it was early.

So we don't really know who he is yet. We just know Jose Luis. Gotcha. And rap. That was a joint. Even that rock Amaral. Not Emeralds, Amaral. That's the white level L.A. L.A.

That's my first meeting him. Not Jose Luis. He goes, Jose Luis. Don't forget. That little dip is the reason why you got to remember. That chip on his shoulder right there. But the song was already out where it's like,

that's the dude that did that first verse. And that's the verse that made DJs go, Jose Luis. Jose Luis. I can't believe. I got Permit. He just did a beat for you right now. Yeah, yeah.

Let me tell you something. You know what? We got to do something where we make a beat together, which we've never done. Together. We start things at Dream Chats. I didn't start that right now. Because you know, you know, you know. I don't know if you know.

You know. I don't know if you know. I don't know if you know. But wherever state you at I'll fly there Like it's a fact And I would just love Thank you for lacing black poets out With a black print

No problem No problem No problem But this is the reason why You're so much of an important producer You can go And you can work with Christina Aguilera. Absolutely. And then you can turn around and you still care about black poetry.

Listen, I love music. That's real shit. Listen, I love music. Because after I get to Christina Aguilera, I'm like, I'm on. This is what it is. What's the bitch name? This is what it is. I fucked up too.

I'm in Maui. I like messing with all styles of music because I am into country. Blues, gospel, rock, pop, rock in the way. Prairie View is the town. Did you ever drink lean? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to DJ Screw, by the way.

DJ Screw. Let's talk about your lean story. But even that, that's when it was like Now it's an epidemic It wasn't an epidemic then And it was something that you just did Every occasion Like going out to a bar

And having a drink I don't drink every day I got work to do I got business to handle I gotta stay focused I'm a five year old son I'm focused But

You're a five year old son now At 50 Look at you You're still fucking No question This makes noise for me I'm still fucking I respect you This makes noise for me They're about to open the club Finish your story

So I mean so A lot of the things again That are just out of control Are just way publicized Or promoted on a higher pedestal. I already did all that stuff. It's about living past that and being able to still function

on what's the matters that keep you in the longevity bucket. I want to be in the longevity bucket. I don't want to be in the you had your time bucket. My bucket, I want to go all the way even again when I'm gone It's still hot, Gangstar's still hot

I keep Gangstar still hot Because I care about Not just his legacy and our legacy As a team, but his son He has a 16 year old son I'm making sure his son's eating I'm making sure his son's getting everything That his father's has

I wouldn't feel right My motto is this I can sleep at night That's my motto That's the most important thing Sleeping at night I can sleep at night A lot of people

You can go to sleep People don't understand that Yeah You can sleep at night I have nightmares like anybody else But my nightmares are clear From how I analyze What I woke up to. How you handle your business.

Yeah. You can sleep at night. We love you, man. My mind's strong, man. I'm going to end this podcast, but I can't thank you brothers enough. Thanks for having us. For helping me. Thank you for having us.

Both of you, both helped me personally Because my career couldn't be complete I could never complete my career Without having a beat rock beat Without having a premiere beat And hip hop is what I want to continue to represent I want to continue to stand by And I can't believe

25 million and I fucking hate this guy Why do you hate me bro? Because you knew you had a 25 million plaque. You don't give me ass. You should have told me on Wednesday. No. No. God damn it. I'm a good friend. You deserve a surprise. I fucking want to surprise you, bro. You deserve a surprise. I'm a good friend, bro.

You deserve a surprise. In case you don't know that. Yeah. I love you, EFN. Are you having a moment right now? Yes, I'm having a moment. I love you, DJ QT. I love you, Pete Robinson. I can't believe hip-hop. Just remember, like you asked, everything I do outside of hip-hop, when I do hip-hop, I keep it hooked. Keep it hooked. Everything else, I can do ballads, slow songs, pop songs, doesn't matter because I like that music too.

Yes, you do. But hip-hop, I keep it hooked. Yes. Keep it hooked. Because that's the way I like to listen to it. When I buy it, drive to it, or have my radio. It's either my radio or this. You guys are the bedrock.

Please, stay up here. Listen, if it wasn't for you two brothers, I wouldn't have a childhood. Thank you, brother. That's well-deserved what you got right there. What you got is better than anything you could say about it. That's beyond rap. This is a podcast. They should make it platinum

though. Why do they make it gold? They fucked up. It was 25 million. It's not 25. It's 500. Let's relax. Relax. Let's try.

Let's try. You know what? He actually is right. Let's try. Let's try. You know what? To be active. Hold on. He actually is right. It should be. It should be. It should be. I'm just happy to be here right now. I'm happy to be here, man.

And listen. Give thanks, man. Give thanks. Two of the best producers of all time have just now sat down. Absolutely all time. With Drink Champs. And Jim Beam. Jim Beam.

Jim Beam. You big enough, Jim Beam. Yes. Jim Beam, cut the check. Absolutely all time. With drink champs. Jim Beam. You big enough Jim Beam. Cut the check. You want to have one more shot? Oh shit. We're going to do a shot? I'm going to be on stage going. We're going to kill the game right now. At the end of the day and we're going to sit here and watch the battle. Thanks for the gift bags.

Because when I seen the battle and when I seen that they said this is the first time. Excuse me. Shish kebabs. This ain't nothing. This don't do nothing. No, my brother. Yeah, I definitely don't have a shot like that.

All right, man. All right. Careful. When they said that this is the first time the producers has battled. No shot for you. I felt terrible. I felt terrible. I felt terrible. They said this is the first time the producers

first battled. And I knew that y'all guys have done this. I knew that Just Blaze actually had done it with Alchemist before. And so I wanted to actually big you brothers up because I understand what it is. But I also understand that Swiss

also knows. He's a student of the game. He's a student of the game. He never said that. He never said that. I love you, brothers. If you motherfuckers Google don't work,

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