Drink Champs - Episode 69 w/ Brand Nubian

Episode Date: March 17, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with Lord Jamar and Sadat X of the legendary Brand Nubian. They talk linking with Grand Puba and the early days of the group, some of the controversies they have been involved in and a lot more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, hey, San Cuyo, hope you're safe here. It's your boy N-O-R-E. What up, it's DJ EFN. And it's Drinks Champ's motherfucking podcast. Make some noise! Right now, when it comes to legends, we have the legend, legend, legends in the building. We have people who I personally grew up listening to, idolizing, trying to dress like them, trying to be like them.

You know what I mean? Trying to be sharp like them, Trying to be smart like them. These guys, they still heavy on the internet. You see them all the time. They out there. We got two of them. I was hoping to have all three, but we got two and we ain't mad. We gonna give the other, we gonna still praise

the other brother like he's here. And right now, who am I talking about? Motherfucking brand new is in the building. Make some noise! Hey! Now, Brand Newbie, y'all all from New Rochelle? Yes. Okay, originally. Born

in the Bronx. Okay. Both born in the Bronx. Okay. Grew up in New Rochelle. I believe Poobah was born in New Rochelle, grew up in New Rochelle. Okay, so how did this start? How did this, y'all get together and say, I'm going to be a three-man group. Were y'all rhyming individually? Yes.

Okay. All right, put us on. All right, well, basically, long story short, Puba had a group called Master of Ceremonies back in the days. Okay, and they had like two, two hits cracked out and sexy. Okay. But diddly diddly diddly diddly grand Puba. You know what I mean?

That was the joint back then. So whatever, back in those times, he started working with me as a solo artist. Then he started working with X as a solo artist. And he was not a producer or nothing like that. Well, kind of. Yeah, kind of.

What? Yeah, kind of. People make beats, you know, to play instruments and all of that type of shit. He sang a little bit. He was drum programming and all of that. He the one that actually taught me how to produce, like how to listen for the loops and all of that type of shit. So, you know, long story short,

I used to go to the shows with him and all of that. In the back of my mind, I'm like, nigga, kick your cousin out the group. I want to be in this. Master of the circle. Yeah, because I felt like his cousin wasn't nice enough to really. He was a good dude. I love him. Shout out, Doctor Who.

But he wasn't, you know what I mean? You could tell he wasn't about that life, really. He just was doing it. So, whatever, they broke up. I remember we walking through the mall one day, and he's kind of like, damn, I don't know what we should do. I said, yo. Who were you talking about? Yeah. And I said, yo, we need to meet you and X.

We need to make a group, son. You know what I mean? Because it'd be better than trying to shop three deals and all that. We just make a group on some 3MC shit. Word. I don't know when he hit him about it, but he hit him. What year is this around? What time?

88. 88. Late 87, 88. Yeah. Some shit like that. Who came up with that name, Brand Newbie? We'll see. What's his name? 87, 88. Who came up with that name Brand Nubia? We had a little name

session. That's still hard to be like. We shopped for a deal with no record and no name. What? Just like it is. Because the nigga Poobah

You know he had Motherfuckers open from Sexy and Cracked Out And all those was big records in New York And a little bit nationally So He was able to call up record companies And be like yo it's Grand Poobah I want a meeting or whatever

We walk in there no music So we did a few of these. What was y'all saying? Would y'all sit for them or something? Yo, I think we just went in there and pulled out and said whatever the fuck he was saying. He was a little older than us.

So we go to Tommy Boy Dante Ross is there And he's like yo Puba I love you I'm with whatever you doing He's like but yo I need to hear Your guys or whatever He's like so

Make a demo or something And come back So we was like alright It took us like two weeks to scrounge up the time up at Jazzy J Studio, Strong City Studio up at Allentown Avenue in the Bronx. Just chilling in the studio

waiting for niggas to finish their sessions. We didn't see if a nigga feel like doing shit. Letting us even play records in the motherfucker. You know what I mean? So finally we get the song done. We go down there. It's one song.

All right. We play the shit for him. He's like, oh, this shit is crazy. And this is Tommy Boy people. Oh, no, this is... Well, this is... We're at Tommy Boy. Dante Ross.

Dante Ross was at Tommy Boy. And so at that point, he was like, yo, I just got a job at Elektra. Like, I want to bring you all over there. Like, you know what I mean? Yo, first, it's a bigger label Da da da da da We was hyped off the Tommy Boy shit

Like De La Soul was there at that time Like they was poppin' Like you know So we was like Alright fuck it And he was like Alright but you know So what's y'all's name?

And we just kind of Looked at each other Yeah alright we're gonna get back to you Like that So we went back to Strong City, had a little naming fucking session. Came up with Yale and shit. Nubian Force, all kind of crazy. Create a life.

Y'all knew you wanted to stick with the Nubian because. We wanted some, yeah, some like positive, conscious type of shit. Y'all came out on the era where like that was kind of like the thing to do, thing to do, to have knowledge of self. Yeah. But see, but we wasn't doing it for that. But ain't it funny how there was actually an era where knowledge of self was actually fly. Yeah, yeah.

And it can be again. It definitely can be again. And it was funny because it was like real niggas was having knowledge of self. Even though they was doing their bullshit, like street niggas, Jesus. Niggas was having knowledge of something. Like, even though they was doing their board shit, like, street niggas, Jesus. Niggas, you would scare us. You know what I'm saying?

Boy, yeah, all the niggas, yeah. Okay, so now, y'all just, y'all thinking about naming yourselves. Yeah, and so we came up with the name up there that night. Brand Nubian. Brand Nubian. That shit still just sounds so fly. And then, you know what's crazy?

It's not only that Brand Nubian just sounds so distinctive, right? But then their individual names is dope. Lord Jamal, Sadat X, and Grand Poobah. How the fuck did he come up with that name? What does that even mean? He was Grand Poobah Maxwell. Grand Poobah Maxwell. Since back in the days when we was kids.

Like I said, he a little bit older than us. So, so Grand Pooper Maxwell was like a, he was like a famous MC in New York before he even made records. Wow.

Like, I know niggas that had flyers of him taped to their wall and all. Like, he was like Grandmaster Kaz of New Rochelle back in the days.

You understand what I'm saying? At that time of Cold Crush and all that type of shit. You understand what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's just, I don't know how he fully got that name. I think there is a story about it.

Like, you know, because the Flintstones, there was a Grand Poobah on there, some shit in the lodge and some shit like that. Yeah, there's some shit. You know, it was, remember, it was, I remember I first seen, like, when he had the flyer like he was on a man remember Man Diplight Man Diplight

was a main flyer person who made all them hip hop flyers he was a promoter promoter

yeah he was a promoter and if your face got on one of them flyers that meant something he got on a

Diplight flyer yeah he was on that shit and I seen that shit and I was like okay so now

what was the first record where y'all thought it was like like, man, this is it. This was the first record that it broke out for y'all and it worked. What was the record where you knew it? Feel So Good. Word. Feel So Good.

Okay, I don't remember that one. Yeah, see, we had a first, see, they gave us a single deal and they said, all right, if you like, if this shit goes, then we're going to give you our our album so we put out a record called brand new being on the a side okay and then a song called feel so good on the b side now in the beginning we kept getting plagued with like using a beat and other using it before we get a chance to put this out oh yeah so it's like the same full- full-on beat. Hold on. Do you know that joint, Don't Let It Go To Your Head? Yeah, right. I had that.

You did that to me. That's crazy. I'm glad you did that to me. Because, yo, let me tell you, it's a crazy shit, right? I had that on the War Report album, right? And I swear to God, this is a story I swear to God, Capone, I kid you not. I played a record. I had on that joint, that beat.

But what I was saying on the beat was, I'm leaving on the next plane. I don't know when I'll be back. So, the shit, nor we know this, nor we know that. I had it on there. I had it for the War Report, right? And Traz, Capone said said yo, that's dope and trash walk to the studio. He was like you think you pop daddy It's like this is whack this is no sound and I was like war and I never put this And the next week, these motherfuckers dropped that fucking shit. These motherfuckers dropped that record. I was like, I told you.

He was like, yo, you were right. I was wrong. And we got dropped that record. I swear to God. Swear to God. My bad. I just got out of my house. So I got the song.

We got the demo for it. It was called I Ain't Going Out Like That. We sampled some James Brown shit. We think, you know, that's going to be popping. Your man Kumo D puts out We're not battling against We ended up picking these next two singles and And like, so we had the cameo since, Bam! Everybody! Brand new again.

What's the role of that? Nah, Henny. What's the role of that? Henny and Colt, all that. Nah, I'm done. So now, your man Heavy D ended up using that beat. So that kind of fucked that one up too. Then we had the Feel So Good beat. And some other niggas had to be.

Right, but they sampled it a little different. Now when you say having to be, you're saying sample-wise. You're not saying the same exact beat as the same sample.

Right. But everybody sampled it in their own way. So these were all variations of the same shit. So now I remember they was playing the niggas who had

I feel so good doing the band. They was playing their shit like every day. You know, whenever they played new records or some shit, so I'm like, I'm hearing this shit, come on, I'm getting hype.

I'm like, nah, that's not our shit. And then finally, one day, they played their shit and then they played our shit right after that. And that's my word from that day on. They ain't never played them niggas shit again. I can't tell you. Who are these niggas? I played them niggas shit again. I can't tell you.

Who these niggas are? I know them niggas is like, yo, that was me. They're like, yo, that was the man with some shit. But who was the first

brand new being hit where it went, like, national? Like, when you knew that this was bigger than New York Shell, this was bigger

than a New York thing? I mean, Wake Up was big. I mean, everything was big. See, when the album came out, it was the album that was big I mean Everything was See when the album came It was the album Was big

Okay It wasn't just one song It was the album Once the fucking album Came out It was like Oh we fucking with y'all Now

Slow down Where was y'all at When y'all Yeah That's one of the last songs We recorded The last song Wow We had problems with that song

We couldn't get it right at first Like the sample, getting the right drums with it Couldn't get it right It wasn't looping correctly Who produced that? We did I heard what it was He came with the

Remember they used to play them video shows at night And I seen the Edie Bacall. One night, because you remember they used to play them video shows at night and I seen the Edie Bacall. Because remember, we put that out when her song was still out with the shit. Right, right, right. And I heard it one night

and I was like, yo, that shit sound kind of right. And I went and bought the 45. And I remember we fucked with it at first and somehow we couldn't get it right and we said fuck it. We went to do the rest of the album.

That was the last song because remember it was the album. That was the last song. Because remember, it was that day. It was the last story. Let's fuck with that. Let's try it again. That shit is dope. And then somehow, somebody had the right drum that day. That's it.

And then we started putting horns and shit to it at the end. That was it. That's out of here. It was like, all right, go home, write your shit, come back, put it down. And that's what the fuck happened. Now, awful one. I go home write your shit come back put it down and that's what the fuck happened now All for one The beat I was like yes if they don't like nothing else, they're gonna like this one right here. How did we get into that record style? And that's when we used to walk around.

We used to have the records with us. Because I remember Kuba had that record with us. And we had the cracker with the on pop from the beginning on it. We didn't take none of that shit out. Were y'all the first three-man group? No. No? There's a treacherous three. Oh, that's right.

All kinds of motherfuckers back then. Shh. Yo, y'all back there. We can hear y'all. Relax. Yeah, it was a couple. Well, we talk of three-man MCs. You know what I mean?

It's been three-man groups. Three-man MCs, Treacherous 3 was the first one I could think of. There's definitely been others. We weren't the first. And the locks, that's like... To me, they're like the day from Westchester. I feel like they're the next generation of us. That's a great way me they're like they from Westchester. I feel like the next generation of Look at it

That's a good way and I can see alignments in each one of them to my now all of y'all was a bum 5% all three of y'all. Oh see I was I was probably said first, but okay Wow then around the time That we started doing the album, Poo-Bah got knowledge from my right-hand man. Try to speak to the mic. No, I'm saying try to speak to the mic. My bad. X had knowledge

prior to that, but then I don't know what happened. I mean, he just wasn't running with the right guards or whatever the case may be. So he kind of might have strayed away, but he knew. You know what I mean? He knew the science. For the youngins that don't know, the right guards or whatever the case may be. So he kind of might have strayed away, but he knew, you know what I mean? He knew the science. For the youngins

that don't know, we talking about this is a way of life, 5% of the nation. 5% of the nation. So, but Puba, his family came up

in like Black Panther type background and shit like that. Like, Nuri Shell got a lot of real like revolutionary. Shell is Scram Jones. He from New York Shell.

Yeah. We got a lot of revolutionary energy up there.. Shout out to Scram Jones. He from New York Shell. Yeah. We got a lot of revolutionary energy up there. Black Stage used to be up there. Wow. And all that type of shit. Like, if you read, like, certain biographies of people, like, some of them stayed in New York Shell while they was, you know, hiding out type of shit. Farrakhan had a crib in New York Shell at one point.

Wow. I never knew that. Ozzy Davis and Ruby Dee lived right behind. But why was it so important for people to have knowledge of self back then? Was that the norm back then? No, it's not necessarily the norm. But to me, it gave you an edge over everybody else. You know what I mean?

It gave you a mental edge. Everybody else is out here, you know, on their wisdom knowledge shit. And you want your knowledge wisdom, you know, thinking before you move. They just moving before they think, you know. But nobody's teaching them to think before they move. Can 5% Nation of Islam, can it come back to the forefront? Because I feel like bloods wouldn't exist in New York City if the 5% was as strong as it was in the 80s

and in the 70s. And you know what I mean? It's crazy sometimes. I go to Harlem and I see a hood with all blue on. I never saw that back in the days and then we'll go and then we'll see a hood all for the red and it's like it's kind of crazy for this to be

new york city but i just don't remember i remember back then you had to come you had to know your your lessons you couldn't come outside without knowing today's mathematics you had to wake up in the morning and you know try, you know what I'm saying? Try to be something. And nowadays, it's just like the more ignorant you are, the more people will say you. Well, see, the difference is back then, you had the alpha males, you know what I mean?

Who was the gods. They're the ones everybody looked up to. They want to be like that. So if they're into it, you want to be into it. So that's really all we got to do is just get the young alphas with the ones with the piece of magnetic to make the other ones come in and say, okay, I want to fuck with this. You can't make it seem soft. That's right, called bringing the gods back.

Yes. At some point they try to make conscious music or whatever seem like it was soft. Yeah. And that's what makes certain people not want to fuck with it. Right. Like, and that's some bullshit. Ain't nothing soft about it. Let's make some noise for that guy, Devin. Goddamn it.

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It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Well, I just want y'all to know, you know, we started this because we wanted to preserve hip-hop. This guy, I've known this guy 20 years. He hates Serato. He hates...

No, I hate it. He likes Vine. I just like Vine. He hates... He likes Vine. I just like Vine. I started as a DJ myself. He's a real hip-hop dude. I'm talking about real, real purist. And when we started this show, we said we want to just continue to

support our legends, and we want y'all to know that y'all guys are hands down... I look up to you guys. I still look up to you guys. You know what I'm saying? When I thought of a movie the other day, I swear to God, it was 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought of this movie. I already had the thing, but I seen Daz Dillinger post the 5% flag.

And for some reason, I was like, yo, I got to speak to Lord Jamal. And it was 5 o'clock in the fucking morning. I did not expect this motherfucker. I said, yo, I'm doing the 5% movie. I need you down with me, you know, to do it. And he fucking was up

at 5 o'clock in the fucking morning. It was the weirdest thing. Oh, word. I didn't even look at that. I didn't even look at it like that. Word was 5.03, so, you know,

it actually is built to build and destroy. So we built and destroyed at 5 o'clock in the goddamn morning. So, um, and he answered, and I just feel like that's one of the reasons, because I want to destroy it at 5 o'clock in the goddamn morning. So, and he answered. And I just feel like that's one of the reasons, because I want to bring back the 5%.

I'm not saying that we went anywhere or anything. But I think that knowledge itself could help people nowadays. So, and in order to teach somebody, some of the easiest way to teach people is through entertainment. You know what I'm saying? Like right now, people, they think. They indirectly learn. They indirectly learn when they listen to this podcast. Because I'm, you know, I'm saying? Like right now, people, they think... They indirectly learn. They indirectly learn when they listen to this podcast because I'm always drinking, I'm having fun,

I have fun with my artists, but they don't understand that they're indirectly learning. So with the idea that we're going to make a movie about the 5%, and it was crazy. I was up at the time. We sat there, and I knew, and I actually shared the idea with Sadat earlier,

but Sadat, what do you think of that? I think it's good, man, because, you know, that taught you, like, to think, and you had to study. Whereas today, I teach in the school. I teach fifth grade, sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade. Get out of here.

Yeah, I teach at the Kemp School in Brooklyn. Teach, teach. We teach PowerPoint presentations and all that. And it's like, back then, like, when we came up, like, you had to study and learn shit. Whereas these kids nowadays, I'm in school, like, and I'm looking at these kids and I'm, like, messing with them every day, day to day. And it's like, you know, we did what we did, but we still knew how to read and learn. Like a lot of these kids, man, come up, they can't read. You know what I'm saying? Like read, like read shit. I'd be in the class and be like, what? What'd you say? You know, and they know that I get on them. I'd be like, yo, man,

you, you in here bullshitting. I seen your test score. You know what I'm saying? And they get mad at me. They come back the other time and say, Mr. Lundgren, you shouldn't have said that. I said, no, you shouldn't have said that. You know what I'm saying? And they get mad at me. They come back to me and they're like, Mr. Lundgren, you shouldn't have said that. I said, no, you shouldn't have said that. You know, my classroom is open. I curse. I do everything.

I be like, yo, listen, like a lot of times they be like, I'm going to go tell my father, but tell your father that today

you couldn't read this word right here also. You know what I'm saying? So that taught you, that kept you on your square. You know, it gave you

a sense of understanding of something. Is this a real school? A real school. Wow. A real school? A real school. A real school. A real school. I took them on the hip-hop tour. They said they wanted to record a song. I said, you want to

record a song? I said, let me hear something. They spit it out. I said, good enough. I said, I checked this out. Two days I'm going to have somebody in here to record y'all. Two days later, I had John Robertson. He bought the portable thing, the portable recording. I said, now, listen, all that bullshit y'all be talking every day, it's going to be a lot different when you get in front of that mic. I said, I'm going to give five of y'all a chance.

Three of them made it. A couple of them, they dropped off. I said, it's going to be a lot different when you get in front of that mic. Do they know who you are or not really? What it is is, I never promoted that when I came to school because I didn't want to promote that. I just wanted to come and teach them what I taught them.

Where one day, like a couple of them, they come and they be like, Mr. Murphy, my uncle said that he knows you. With the low life thing. I'm right there on St. John's. Right there. I'm on the junk.

That's one of the founding places. So when I went low every day, they make me some money. My uncle, he wears that stuff all the time

and that person said too and he said he knows you. So that was the connection that we made like that. You know what I'm saying? So I tore him through that way

but like, the 5% it taught you a means of studying, a means of survival. You know what I'm saying? So I taught them through that way, but like, the 5% like, it taught you like, a means of studying, a means of survival. You know what I'm saying? Whereas, that's lost nowadays,

you know? Everybody's their heads down and they're on their social media. And it made you proud to be a talented guy. Yeah, exactly. A talented guy.

How did it get, you know, like, not popular to know shit. in the school, it came where it's cool to be dumb. You know what I'm saying? Like, these kids, they don't know shit. And I'm like, yo, come on, man. Like it's cool to be dumb. You know what I'm saying?

Like, these kids, they don't know shit. And I'm like, yo, come on, man. Like, we did what we do. We was much, you know, like, we didn't shoot each other in the back, like, you know, this and that, but we threw up their heads. But, like, it's crazy, man. That's real right there. That's real.

We definitely going to bring the 5% back. Now, Stock, I'm noticing you drink your wine from the bottle. Oh, yeah, yeah. You you drink your wine from the bottle. Oh, yeah. You know wine is supposed to be elegant. This nigga, you is gangster as hell. This nigga drinking the bottle from the bottle. I'm like, yo, nigga. As opposed

to other motherfuckers like, this is True Wine Connoisseurs. This is our brand. Make up True Wine Connoisseurs. True Wine dot com. Go to that, get the wine, but as opposed to somebody like just throwing their name

on the label, we actually did the fruitation with this. We started as a joke. Me and my partner Will Tell over there, you know what I'm saying, we started as a joke

and we used to get wines, people used to send us, one day, actually one day what happened was we used to drink Man Hennessy in the studio. So one day,

you know, it was snowing outside. Nobody felt like going to the store to get no more Henny. He got a bottle of wine. We played. We drank it. Somehow he posted it. It went viral. We did a couple more like that.

People start sending us wine now to do. Somebody said, yo, if y'all ever serious about making your own shit, get with me. It was Uncle Gino. You know what I'm saying? So he got with us. We're going to drink some white. We're going to drink some white. He showed us some New Orleans wine, two wine connoisseurs.

Y'all got to open them? Y'all got to open them? To open it? We can open whatever you want. If something's open. No, but it look like you need to open it. This ain't a twist off. Okay, yeah, yeah.

This is how you know good wine. Yeah, it's a twist off. This is how you know good wine. This is how you know good wine when you got to open it with a thing thing. You know what I mean? If you can twist off for now, I have seen some good wine that's a twist off. I went to Mr. Chow's one night, I swear to God.

Ordered this bottle, 85 bucks. It's a twist off. It's a twist off? It's a twist off, 85 bucks. Went to the grocery store in the morning. She was $8.99 at the grocery store. And that though, $85. Went to the grocery store in the morning, she was $8.99. And that's a full $75 for $85. We have 70 locations.

We actually know about the wine. My partner, Will Tell, he got a job fucking with the wine. So we got wine from Portugal. Where's it made? Where y'all making the wine? We're making it out now, Will. All the new Italian wines is from the Veneto region of Italy. So our last two was from Portugal.

Make some noise for niggas crushing grapes. I'm crushing grapes. This is what I'm talking about, man. Oh, you got the open. That's what I'm talking about. You got to do the polo. Will tell. Will tell.

If you ever see this beer right here, this low bear, this is the creator of all the polo bears. All the polo bears. I designed all the original designs for Thurston Howell's original project. How long have you been with Low Life? Like 12 years. This is real polo?

Well, I took the original bear, and then I flipped it into thug fashion. Then we put the Polo Recon patches on. That's right, Ralph LaRen I flipped it into thug fashion. We put the Puerto Rican patches on and all that. That's right, Ralph Lauren. You gotta cut us a check. Give it to Lola. So that's dope, man. You got your own wine. We're gonna keep it on the table just so you know. The wines that

we don't drink, I'm a FedEx HHO myself. And we're gonna keep it on the table. And we're also gonna get you some Tiger Bone. Let's get some shots of Tiger Bone. And it's gonna get you some box. Drink this, you're gonna get some box. Okay. We're gonna loosen these legends up right now. Let's get you some Tiger Bone. Let's get some shots of Tiger Bone. And it's going to get you some box. Drink this, you're going to get some box. Okay. We're going to loosen these legends up right now. Let's give them some Tiger Bone.

See, now I'm going to have to get into the phone. That's the dummy bottle. I'm going to have to make a phone call. So now, brand new being, y'all become stars. I want to describe these road trips that y'all was having. Because me and Pone, Pone is my brother. But me and Pone can't be together for too long. We just can't.

It's just, we're too alpha. It's too alpha. We just always clash. Give us some road trips. I'm going to just say one thing, and I'm going to let Jamal speak. The power fix. What? The power fix.

Oh, what is the power fix? The power fix. What is the power grip? We're not going to get into power grip with something. In the beginning, you know, niggas sometimes would have to share rooms and shit like that. Like a lot of times. So this was my roommate right here.

You know what I mean? And we got along. And who Alamo? How about Alamo? Alamo How about Alamo Alamo Maybe he was in a room With Puba Yeah Puba Alamo Yeah

Alright Okay But see And the power grip Let's get to it Well see Because we had Probably

The more poppin' room Whereas You know We probably had Bitches in our room Let's just say it Let's just make some noise For bitches god damn it

Let's take a glass Let's just make some noise for bitches, goddammit. Let's take it out of the motion. Moshi Moshi. Japan Moshi Moshi. Moshi Moshi. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do because there's no space. Y'all is just in the same room. You know what I mean? So sometimes, you know.

Check out a power brick pussy. No. It's just like, you know. I mean? So sometimes, you know. Check out a power grid pussy? No. What do you think? It's just like, you know, it's just like, homie. Good shit, you know. But no homo, this the only touching we doing. Not your foot, nothing else. Don't touch, but.

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We got to wake up the guys. We got to wake up the guys. We got to grip. There's no more glasses? Wow. Come on, Jesus. That was serious. There we go.

Shall I do bomb, baby, or do I do nothing? Well, I don't speak of that. I don't know what the fuck he just said. Wasn't even Spanish. That's the barber that was the ob no beat. Know what I'm saying So Yeah we was the popular ones Yeah

A lot of things A lot of things Didn't Isn't Happy D from New Rochelle He from Mount Vernon He from Vernon Now Describe Mount Vernon

New Rochelle Yonkers Because Y'all like Your own barrels As well Mount Vernon was like Christian Bloods

Oh yeah Mount Vernon New Rochelle. What? Well, not really. I don't know how it is today. Yeah, yeah, but. See, it all stems from like sports and shit like that. Definitely.

You know, New Rochelle and Mount Vernon was always like in the championship for football. New Rochelle football, Mount Vernon basketball. You know what I mean? So now niggas is coming to the games and shit. You know what I mean? So now niggas is coming to the games and shit. You know what I mean? That shit was serious. Shit used to pop off.

There used to be full, like, full gang fights. Like, the bats and chains and niggas getting stabbed and all that type of shit. It was that type of shit.

It was serious. Yeah, that was a serious thing. Was there a story that inspired Punk to jump up to get beat down? Well, one day... Like, is that coming from something that really happened?

Yeah, I heard some two kids talking. No, it's something really happened. Two kids talking about the same way as... But actually, it was wise. Wasn't it wise when we were trying to make the chorus up or some shit that came up with that shit? No, Sincere came up with it.

Sincere. To with it. Sincere, all right. Sincere. To me, that was a crazy, craziest record to me. He said he got the chorus from KRS-One, actually. What chorus? Punks Jump Up to Get Beat Down. Are we going there? I was waiting for this.

I mean, there was a gap. He was like, Punks Jump Up to Get Beat Down. I was like, who did? So wasn't it like a whole gay community came at y'all? Yeah, but see, we wasn't even thinking about that. We didn't make that. We didn't make that. I mean, he did say a couple of things. Fuck up a faggot.

But when I said it, it wasn't that terrible. It was about that. Right, right. You know how in hip hop, you got train of thought, right? And you could jump around got train of thought Right And you could jump around From train of thought Right So this nigga said

I free flock Fuck up a faggot Wash it Now now now Check it out Hold up Now at that point When you say

Fuck up a faggot That's anybody Anybody Because you said Fuck that faggot But then the next part That make you think That that

Was linked to this He said Don't under Because that's some Ratgot. But then the next part that make you think that that was linked to this. But it really was. Because that's some rat shit, though. What was the next part? He said, don't understand their ways and I ain't down with gays. And listen, I'm tired of you taking that out of the shows, too. Yeah, I didn't say that yet. I didn't say that.

You think you're going to be correct now? I'm like, yo, why you keep doing that. I'm trying to be completely wrong. Damn, I'm trying to be clean version at the show. I'm like, yo, why you keep doing that? I had the chance to have an official DC police. I'm dead with that now. I'm going back to the beginning. So what happened? The clean version was a freak flop, flow, rip up a party, dance all night, and at the end, call the body.

I be like, yo, why you keep saying that? I didn't feel good. I'm like, yo, why you keep saying that? I didn't feel good. I'm like, yo, you falling to the pressure. I'm not saying that with you. You falling to the pressure. Yo, but at least the gay people know

that you showed up. Yeah, I mean, hey, man. Now, this is Tiger Vaughn because you know him. I know a couple of gays in Brooklyn. You know this Tiger Vaughn

because he's something. I'm going to keep it real. I went to a gay wedding one time. I heard you say that. All right. We all got family. Yeah, I can't. I know a gay dude named Rommel in Brooklyn

that you fuck around. I can't. You're going to have a serious song. Am I right? You're going to have some serious shit. Oh, bottom of my feet. I see you beating my waist.

Shot this. You took your order? Yeah, I took my order. Oh, shit. You're a juice bar dude, right? I had an incident at the juice bar. I think the New Yorker talking about it worse. Yeah, New Yorker talking about it worse.

They all come from New York, though. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, man. That shit staying right there. It ain't going nowhere. That shit gave me the... Yeah. It's going to go down tomorrow.

It's going to drop down. So, in the studio, when y'all were working, who's the most problematic out of Brandon? Poo-Bah. Poo-Bah? That motherfucker won't show up. Or this is what Poo-Bah was famous for. Because his chair is empty right there.

Right. You should be here to defend yourself. All right, so. These niggas do shit like this. Guys, guys, y'all talking back there. You should be here to defend yourself Alright so These niggas do shit like this Guys guys y'all talking back there I'm gonna be honest It's your second world We about to boot you out

And your friend And he got on a turquoise hat He gotta relax Ejections Alright so Niggas found out That like the studio had Pergames

Wait you having another shot I can't let you do that by yourself No No I'm not having enough I made me quite ready Yo but you see his shot Don't even look at his shot.

Sadat said, y'all niggas is, y'all light boys. Drink cams. A little bit. Very small. Man, you got to help him. All right, cool. You got to do a marathon after this. Sadat be in the gym early in the morning, too.

You like 5 o'clock in the morning. I forgot to do this. Yes, sir. early in the morning to you Because we didn't even know this was a thing. Once you find out. You can go to the studio and get money. Word? All right. Wait, what do you mean get money? Like the food budget? Yes.

The food budget. This nigga would take whatever they had. Who? Whatever petty cash they had. Studios always had a petty cash box back then. So if they had like $300, give me that. Give me that.

This nigga will come to the studio before anybody even get there, take all the petty cash, and then come leave. And then never come. Never come. He'll leave. It was like a job.

Shout out to Graham. Word. We became a great race to the studio. Shout out to Graham. The first DMX guy. The great race to the studio. Yeah, now it's the race to the studio. That's right. That's right. That's right. The great race. The first DMX got down. The great race to the studio. Yeah, now it's the race to the studio. Because now it's DMX-ish.

We like, yo, you know. Yo, where the petty cash? You want to get some cheese steaks or whatever? Pumar came in. Pumar came in. What? He took all the cash. We like, what?

We just started at 8. We here at 8. Like, he was like, here? I'm going to be honest. After 40 seconds, you're like, front, side, and rear. I never knew you could do that. I'm hated. Or I'm going to tell you something else.

I'll teach you some shit. I'll teach you some shit. Let me tell you something right here. Poo-Bah was the master of the manual check from a label. Remember, like, some days he'd wake up and be like, we gonna go down and we gonna get 20 G's today.

Today. Today. Right now. Because I'm bitching. It's like an ATM. And they make a, they had a manual check. He be like,

watch this. See, he knows this, so I'm gonna say it. He was a bad teacher. You understand what I'm saying? He taught us this business wrong.

You understand? Like, like, like, us this business wrong. You understand? Sounds good. Like, like, like, you know, we did a lot of shit on extortion. You know what I mean? Intimidation and shit like that. So this nigga be like, watch, we gonna get 20 Gs today. You know what I mean? I be like, all right, do your thing. Let's do it.

That nigga call up somebody, yo, I need 20 Gs today. You know what I mean? I'm about to get evicted. He come up withs today. Yo, I'm about to get evicted. He'll come up with all kind of shit. I'm about to get evicted, y'all. You're going to let me get evicted? All right, fuck y'all. It's a man, you check.

Niggas get all scared and shit. Bum, bum, bum. Here come the check. I don't care what you're talking about. Man, yo, this is a bad motherfucker right here. You must be still recouping all that shit. Well, we just used to have to race from New Role to Catch the Bank. That was what it was.

Catch the Bank. Yo, we got to get downtown. Catch the Bank. Oh, man. So now, what was your favorite label? Elektra. Elektra. Because we was there a long time.

And y'all was there with Busta Rhymes. Busta Rhymes was there at that time? Well, they came right after us. Because we was the first ones out of that era to get signed directly to Elektra. And that's before it was We. This is when Elektra was on his own. Who was it this year? I forgot.

Oh, I don't know. I want to say Atlantic. And then they formed We after that. Okay, yeah. Warner, Elektra, Atlantic. Yeah, exactly. Now, what do y'all like better? Major labels or Okay, yeah. Warner, Atlantic. Warner, Electra, Atlantic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, now, what do y'all like better?

Major labels or independent? I'm going to say I liked major labels back then. But now... That's a great fucking answer. Major labels back then. Because they're spending millions. Because back then, they didn't have no clue. Why would you sign to a label now? They don't give you a lot.

Exactly. And they take everything. That's right. When I be here, nigga, I'm Why would you sign to a label now? They don't give you a lot. Exactly. And they take everything. That's right. When I be here, nigga, I'm getting ready to sign to this thing. I'm like, knock it off, man. Like, I already know. Like, you can front for me, man.

Don't front for me. I'm going to go to this show. It was no... See, when we signed, it was no 360. Right. And like... I'm sorry to cut you off,

but what do y'all think about Chuck D? Chuck D just won a lawsuit against Universal because Universal, when we all originally signed, I'm sorry to cut you off But what do y'all think About Chuck D Chuck D just won a lawsuit Against Universal Because Universal When he When we When we all originally signed There was nothing called

Digital rights There was nothing called Like you know The ringtone So Chuck D sued And he actually won Because Anything Chuck D

I'm for You know he actually won But here's the deal Like y'all albums Is on digital Right now But your original contract Never entitled digital So they owe y'all money deal Like y'all albums Is on digital Right now But your original contract Never entitled digital

So they owe y'all money How do y'all How do y'all feel about that Because Think about it Y'all can go and get a check Right now Monday

I never thought of that Monday I'll be on that My brother What did you say I'll be on that Monday Yeah because No Puma Seriously

Think about it I tell Puma Puma be on that tonight Think about No Puma Seriously Think about it I tell Puma Puma be on that tonight Think about it Who can I call tonight Think about it Y'all albums are On deck

Who can I call tonight That's your thing I heard some shit I'm gonna call my girl You know You know Chuck D Won his suit Because

They don't pay us When we originally signed We signed For hard copies Vinyl It wasn't even signed, we signed for hard copies, vinyl. It wasn't even, well, they were CDs. But hard copies, vinyl, CDs. So it was actual material. But now this digital rights is, why is

my albums up there? You know what's so funny? The record company always come in their ass because in all those contexts, it always says the different configurations, cassette, da-da-da-da-da, or any medium created or in the future created. Like, that shit was in there for them.

Right. But was it in there for the artists? I gotta look back at that. That's some shit. And Sound Exchange. You can't forget about Sound Exchange as well. Yeah, because when you got Sound Exchange. Yeah, yeah.

But that's not exactly where it was. No, it's not separate. That's separate altogether. Now, what was the moment where you guys said, you know what, we're stars now? What was that moment? Nigga, when we in fucking Harlem or 125th Street and every fucking car that drive by is playing your album.

Oh, I love that feeling. See, it'll never be like that again. It'll never be like that again in New York. Niggas don't understand. That's why they call us legends. Because we had a legendary time when Brand Nubian was all that niggas was fucking with.

Like street niggas, conscious niggas. Unique. Fucking everybody was fucking with this shit. Club QG's. Crazy. Landquarters. Union Square. I'm just niggas, fucking everybody was fucking with this shit. Crazy. Man, quarters. You didn't even square.

I'm talking. And this is the days when, you know, 125th Street, you go out there two, three and the whole way. Niggas is tripping sideways. Out on 125th Street, niggas can't even get that. Niggas is just standing on their cars playing music, da-da-da-da-da, and everybody's playing your tape. And you know it's the tape because niggas got it playing from different parts you hearing different songs coming out of

different cars but it's all just your tape for me it was when one time we went out to cali we was out there for about remember we went on for about a month we went out for about a month and when we came back i remember when we was coming back and we went uptown, and I was hearing punk. Like, people was telling me, like, yo, they playing a joint from y'all, like, punk jump up. And when we came back. Punk jump up to get beat down.

Step up, step up, catch a bad one. That was a serious thing for us. One more time, y'all. She was doing it with me. Punk jump up to get beat down. Step up, step up, catch a bad one. That was a proven ground for us. I remember the punk step up. We beat down. Punk step up, step up, catch the bad one. That was a proven ground for us. We improved our shit then.

So we was out doing like a promo tour in Cali. We was out there for a month. We had a crib out there for a month. I mean, that was our victory song. When we came back. Punk step up. I mean, we came back. Didn't Martin Lawrence?

He did do that? Yeah. He said, punk step punk to get beat down we hated on the shit we got beat up by Tommy Hearn he had the big ass we came back

from the airport we came back from the airport I never forget and I remember we went uptown God bless him that my man Mike P

we went uptown and I remember I was hearing like I heard the song and like where we go to hot pot yeah

and motherfuckers was playing this shit up and down home hot pot one three to the location Gangsta Lou And I was like, oh shit Like we was here the biggest record That was one of the biggest ones And it was like, it was buckled because we came back. We was gone for a month but when we came back, it was like in 30

days, that shit popped off like that. I was like, oh shit. What's the Dye X favorite brand new record? I like a lot. It's like different. My shit is different. Today. Today. Today. I can name a record called Off the Head that nobody would know about.

You know what I'm saying? Straight Off the Head. Straight Off the Head. Nobody would know about that but us. And that was some shit. Some people actually, they really love that song. It was some shit that we went to the studio and did straight off the head. The record player.

That was on the third album. Yeah, we went in there and just did that. Like different joints, like, to me. Like, the mainstream joints, I love them, and those is my babies, but it was different, like, side joints that we did. What's Lord Jamar for you to random your record? I don't know, man. It's not just one record.

I know, just when you think. I'm going to tell you What I think the best album is Okay Was Foundation Whoa A lot of people say that See Foundation to me Was the

Sonically the best That was the second album? No that was the third album That's when we got back together When we was on Arista Cause yeah I broke up at one point Was that

Don't let Don't let him Yeah That album right there That's a great job like what was the name of the first album awful one yeah second one in god we tried like the second one then everything is everything then foundation now that foundation to me like it just sounded pull up the crisp fucking Fucking niggas was spitting

Like Seriously Like that shit Niggas was writing Like crazy Like That shit was crazy Right there

That album What was Why What was initially The breakup What happened Was initially the breakup What was it

It was a lot of things Niggas going in the studio Taking a per diem And shit And I can't get a cheese stick was it? It was a lot of things. Niggas going to the studio, taking a per diem and shit. And I can't get a cheese cake. They got to the point, niggas was racing there.

Everybody had a vehicle. And you're like, damn, nigga. And you're not going to come to the studio? We all like, nigga, we got to have a talk. He would go and then leave? He would get there before, like, let's say the studio was at 7. That nigga showed up at, like, 4.

And we'd be there at 7. Like, what's the deal? And he already got the people in there, you know, lightweight scared of him or whatever. You know, he's Graham Puba. So when he walk in there, they're just ready to do whatever so if he said give me all that fucking petty cash They fucking gave it to him and then he was out and then he was out and never come back I thought I didn't think slowdown was on the first At the time, at some point. And now they're putting it on. But now we might be working for a while.

I didn't think Slow Down was on the first album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. One for all, drop the pump, the second one, and the third one. I was with a shirt. I was like, I like that song. I said, yeah, you like that?

I'm going to go get that 45. Got it? We sample that off of a 45. We're in your precarious. So's Brand Nubian's biggest market? Like other than New York We ran through the South North Carolina I would have thought Philly

We ran through the South You know, Philly with the Muslim relation And it's about that because I love ATL and all that, but when we first came out, the niggas was still country now. It was country. We ran through the South. We did

nothing. They was loving us in LA and all that. Come on, we got to some shit. We got to some shit and niggas surrounded us. Hell yeah. We was fucking with them Great Street niggas surrounded us Hell yeah Hell yeah Whatever We was fucking with them

Grape Street niggas Oh yeah Grape Street Like early Early I'm talking But we had these niggas Out there building

Like Just imagine I'll keep holding on Just imagine like 300 gangsters In the projects Outside Building on like

Political shit Like the Things with Jerry Curls and all of that, but they talking about, you know, some conscious shit. Like, them niggas blew my mind. And I know we went through them. We went through the projects. I don't know if other nations went through the projects.

They said we was the only ones. We went through there. They said we was in the Jordan Downs. They said we was the only niggas that came to the project besides Tupac. Word. They said Tupac is the only nigga that came through that. We had so many niggas outside. The fucking police sent the helicopter out there, shot a light down.

And we was out there building with gangbangers. Yes, sir. We went with the Crips. They took us to the blood to the two niggas' niggas because they had the troops. And we trusted them. Word. And we went there with Crips. They took us to the blood, to the Nickerson's, nigga, because they had the troops. And we trusted them. Word. And we went there with them. Word.

Crips to the blood. Word. Fucking shit. That was serious. You talking about Nickerson's goddess? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went with Jordan Down, niggas, to the Nickerson's.

We was with the right niggas. I think that's where Kendrick Lamar's from. Where the troops were all over there. Shout out. Shout out niggas from the projects, my nigga Lardo. Shout out my nigga Ziggy. You know what I mean? It was a couple niggas.

These was real niggas. He got killed. He got killed. Black and I'm proud. Hot towel. Hot towel. Hot towel. Yeah.

God damn it. Y'all niggas suck there. Huh? Yeah, let's pull up the fourth one too. God damn it. Y'all so legendary man This is classic shit for us Um

Now Well I never asked y'all Who's your favorite CEO Did I No Favorite CEO Yeah favorite CEO Like that

That got y'all Or that worked with you Whether it's Y'all solo careers Or y'all Well I can't lie You know a lot of people Don't like this guy But I learned a lot from this motherfucker.

Where we going? Where we going? It's Lior. Lior? Lior? Yeah. I ain't gonna... Lior Cohen, man.

I learned a lot. Well, y'all was on Dev Jam as well? No, we was on Rush Management. Oh, that's correct. It was wonderful. I'm talking about Elizabeth Street days. Before Varick Street. Before Varick. I have no idea of this. Please put me on. I'm learning Elizabeth Street days. Before Varick Street. Before Varick.

I have no idea of this. I'm learning right now. That was the real Death Jam. Real Rush. That's what I'm saying. Nigga, we standing outside. Is Bill Adler still doing publicity there? Who?

Bill Adler. I think so. Probably. I think he was dead. Niggas like Todd Moskowitz might have just been coming around. He was the intern? He was the intern. Get the fuck out of here.

This nigga was getting caught being shit like that. You know what I mean? Todd Moskowitz, bring your ass on this show. Yeah. Go ahead. So, but I'm saying that spot was legendary. Like, we outside, because it was right off Houston. Hold on, we disrespectful.

We outside drinking 40s with DMC. We got to drink a 40 with DMC. I knew I made it. Wait, hold on. This nigga DMC said, yo, I love bullshit. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What? You drank a 40 with DMC.

We drank a 40 with DMC. Right outside Rush. Right outside Def Jam. Hold on. What? You drank a 40 with DFC. We drank a 40 with DFC at that point. Right outside Rush. Right outside Def Jam. Because remember, at first, hip hop, niggas had all them feathers and all the funny shit. Them niggas was the first niggas to have that. This was on Elizabeth Street, right around the corner from CBGB. Word. Right there.

Right there. Which is historic. You want some Sadat wine? Yes, please. Yeah, take some of my wine. I ain't going to lie. We can't put, you going to put it in a Tiger Bowl cup? No, no, no. This is a wine cup. It just might be. my wine. I ain't going to lie. We can't put, you're going to put it in a Tiger Bowl cup? No, no, no.

This is a one cup. It just might be. Two-eyed connoisseurs. Right here. Yeah, you can tell I've been to France, right? Lord Jamal. Yeah, he told me that. You can tell I've been to France, right?

And, you know me. Yeah. You remember? Yes. On the Wild Cowboys album. Who? Wild Cowboys album. Okay.

Smoke a boat? Akineli. Oh, yeah, be singing. Akineli. Yes. When Akineli, he had a lot of rules with him. Okay. Smoke a boat. Akanele. Oh, yeah, be singing. Akanele. When Akanele, he had a lot of rules with him. He used to come to the room.

No, no, no, no. This is real shit. Akanele, you know that's my man. Big him up. But I don't smoke. He don't drink. And he used to take me on the road.

And he used to be like, no, you can't smoke in the car. And I'm like, God, we take an 18-hour drive. And not only he don't smoke or drink, he just knows the soberest people in the world. So everybody's sober. And I'm like, I used to see him talking. He used to be like, yo, where y'all at?

Help me. I'm in my room, though. Where are you? I'm just coming out. No, he's sleeping early. He's sleeping at 6 o'clock in the morning. He's fully dressed. He's sleeping like that. He was fully dressed he was still like that

he was still like that he was still like that where did you get that from I'm an early morning guy I'm fully dressed you know when you're with the kids it's

nah I think jail I feel like it's jail yeah I feel like it's jail fully dressed from jail you always want to be up early see I used to lead the line

in jail you know what I mean by lead the line I was like the person that led because I walked so fast so the niggas that were 20 years to life used to lead the line in jail. You know what I mean by lead the line? I was like the person that led. Because I walked so fast. So the niggas that were 20 years to life used to be like,

let that nigga lead the line. So it used to go from shortest to the tallest, but I was never the shortest. So I was on DFY. So they used to be like, let this, and I just always, my father was like,

he woke up in the morning and jogged. Right. So I tried to inspire to be him, and I just tried to be active, and that's just how I developed that. But not only that, my hood is full of hustlers. Left Rack City is full of hustlers from the lobby all the way up to the 18th floor. And I couldn't compete with certain people in Section 2 at that time Because people had better work than me But what I noticed is I can kill the morning shift

The old niggas are asleep Nico on them is sleep money I'm made to sleep These guys are asleep I used to go fuck it I'm going to take the morning shift Because I'm better I knew I had bad work

I knew it You just You just I knew I had bad work I knew I had bad work It was hard But then this I got to get it off

Through the face Niggas with good work Can come out whenever Nobody else is up at that But I always thought I was a boss And I just did it wrong So I used to try to go get coke

and I knew a little bit of Spanish. I knew enough not to get jerked. And I would come back and that's how I developed my early morning shit. But to get back to Sadat's story, I used to be stressing with Akineli because Akineli helped me put on.

You know, Akineli fucking me when my mom was back. I was like, get an A on Hitler. I was like, get an A on him. I was like, you ain't on Hitler. He could not drink. He could not smoke. So I'm like this. As soon as we get to the town, I see niggas like Sadak and Lord Jehovah.

I'm like, where y'all at? Come on in. Come to the room. The niggas are smoking in the room. I'm with these niggas on tour. Word. But so now, you guys have this breakup. Now, is it because it's industry or it's because you guys are friends prior to that?

And now you got to put business first. Did that affect it? It's a combination. Combination. Okay. See, I'm going to tell you what I feel it is. Right. It's some ego shit, right?

Mm-hmm. Just that comes into play with everybody. Sadat, I disrespect your wine. I'm so sorry. No, no, no. That shit tastes like tiger bone, son. Put it together. Listen, we got to wash this out, please.

This tastes terrible. Please, Diego, can you help me out? Because we got to wash the tiger bone out of that. That is disrespectful. Get it right. Get it right. Fully respect. Tiger bone. This tastes terrible. Please, Diego, can you help me out? Because we've got to wash the tiger bone out of that. That is disrespectful. Get it right. Get it right. Fully respect.

Tiger wine. Because the way that tasted just now, that tasted like tiger. No, true wine. That's what we in my life. Tiger wine. Yeah, tiger. Tiger wine. Tiger's tail. But the breakup, let's get back to that.

All right. Because we were all hurt. Here's what it is. And you know what's crazy? We didn't have the internet back then. So when we just see y'all wasn't together. And we see, yeah, there's two of y'all. And we, like, as fans, when I say we, I'm speaking 100% as fans.

This is not Norrie at all. Well, it is Norrie. But I just was like, damn, I just couldn't fathom you guys not being together. See, I think it was a little bit of this, right? Like I said, Puba a little bit older than us, right? Right. So it was like he was the big homie. At some point when we got on, he went from being the big homie to like.

Equals. We equals. Right. Now, sometimes it's hard for people to adjust to that you see i'm saying you still want to treat me like the little homie even though right you know what i mean so it's like very good and i'm not gonna allow you to treat me like a little homie you know what i mean right little home you know I mean right across the country right so we drove it yes I wasn't to a bus we drove in navigator

navigation but I think it was a little bit of that. You know what I mean? You look at your little homie, oh, that's the little homie. Now the little homie come up. Right. There's a change in the guard, but we don't always acknowledge that. Right. You see?

So I think it was a little bit of that. You know, combined with knocking niggas in your ear, yo. You know, you the nicest. Now, it was you not speaking to Poo Bo. It's usually like that. Did y'all ever have a falling out as well or no? Sucking niggas in your ear, yo. You know, you the nicest. You don't need any niggas. It's usually like that. Did y'all ever have a falling out as well or no? Me and him, no. It was just y'all and Puba?

Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Cool. And you know, Alamo, like Alamo and my pops. See, that brought us closer together. My pops and Alamo pops, they grew up together in Lincoln Projects in Harlem. Oh, wow. My Alamo grandmother and my grandmother grew up in Lincoln Projects in Harlem when they had horse stables.

Oh, shit. We talking about like the 60s. I love it. This is a twisted way. We talking about the 60s. Be careful. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I might have some secrets.

I don't want to let the secrets out. Hey, we're going to take five, though. I'm going to walk outside during this fucking interview. No, we have some more breaks. We do that all the time. We do it all the time. Give us five more minutes to have a small break. We got to keep it even.

Alamo is an original member. My pops are Alamo pops. When my pops passed away, Alamo pops came and did a e eulogy speech at my pops funeral. God bless. God bless. So instead, so like Alamo pops, my pops, they grew up together. The first move.

Alamo became the DJ. Exactly. So now. Because he's not necessarily. He wasn't a DJ at that time. Now he is. You guys like made him the DJ You're going to become a DJ

He just was a funny guy He was around He had a car at the time He still got some drivers to the studio But any scratching you heard at the time was me Because I Was a real DJ And it's a great, it's a great day

that started. Remember, it's a legendary day of, what was it, Latin Quarter Day. Remember that, remember that day?

Oh, yeah. Remember that? I see, back in the day, he's talking about before, all this brand new shit.

Before all this shit. Like, this is, this is what let me know he was a live nigga and I could fuck with him. Cool Keith grew up in the same building that my people from. Like, for some reason, back in the days, in the 80s, even some of your toughest niggas were scared to go to the city for some reason. Okay.

Yes. Niggas from New Rochelle, right? Oh, all right. Niggas from New Rochelle niggas, they were scared to go to the city. To New York. Yeah. shell all right oh all right shell niggas they were scared to go to city to new york yeah like like they they was felt safe up there but they felt like it was a little too gangster in the city whatever nigga like me i was hollum i'm going all shit union square latin quarter so one night i'm out i'm down at the latin quarters I'm by my motherfucking self Alright Okay I'm about to go in there

I see my niggas from New Rochelle And you know you be happy When you see a nigga From around your way I got mama car You got mama car? I got mama car I got mama car

You and his man God bless the daddy With my man Key to Speed And maybe I can get Who else is there So we on the line You know We like You know The line is mad long Niggas don't really feel like And maybe I forget who else was there. So we on the line. You know, we like,

you know, the line is mad long. Niggas don't really feel like waiting on it. Is Mike Boat back there? I never really, I knew, I knew you, Ryan. I know the pop. We knew each other, but we never really chilled with each other before. So I'm like, yo, what's up? You know what I mean?

Like, fuck this spot. Like, I was happy to see these niggas. Oh, okay, some live young, because they my age. I used to only see older niggas. I had to hijack mama's car. So now I found it. And mama called. And I was on the train and all that.

So these niggas is driving. And, you know, he young niggas, 17. So, oh, okay, young niggas got a ride. Like, what's up? Fuck this spot. Let's go uptown. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Let's go uptown. You know what I mean? Oh, my God.

Let's go uptown. Let's get some weed. Let's get some dust. Woo! Let's talk about the dust. Let's get some fuck. Spirit. Dusty here, ladies.

Spirit. Let's get some woos. Let's do it. Nigga, we did all of that. That's what woos is. That is cracking weed. 24 hours. We had it. Let's go to the Polo Grounds. Polo Grounds. Polo Grounds. Polo Grounds. Polo Grounds. Polo Grounds. That is cracking weed. It's 24 hours.

Let's go to the polo grounds. Let's park in the polo grounds. Let's get fucked up like young niggas do. Fuck this spot. And them niggas was like a bet. What? I said, okay.

What does PCP do? I smoked it one time. It didn't work. You said one time. You didn't smoke it. You drove from Manhattan to New Rochelle like that. On PCP. See, back then,

I didn't want to get naked or nothing. I was mad. I was mad. I smoked it. I was like, the fuck? I just got mad paranoid. Let's not do that. I was mad. I was mad. I smoked it. I was like, the fuck? I just got mad paranoid. That was some other shit. Like,

that's when our niggas was young, really wild. Big up to my man Chaz. My man Chaz, he's talking, he's talking like straight Spearmint.

110 for Lennox, 160 for Lennox. You know. That's what it does smell like, right? Spearmint gum. My man Chaz. Listen,

let me tell you something, Jamal, one day, right? My man Chaz, he's so hot. He's so hot. I wrote smell like, right? Spirulina gum. My man Chad. Listen, let me tell you something, Jamal. One day, right? My man Chad, he's so hot. Hold your hand. He's so hot on PCP, right? I'm sitting down. He's the guy.

Expect the gadget. Listen, this is the guy who played me New York, New York. This is the reason why I got the idea. So he comes to me. He goes, yo, you think these niggas is dissing us? Because he was on something called a DJ list back in the days. So he says, this is two months before Dog Pound album come out. So he plays me New York, New York.

He's like, you think these niggas is dissing us? Are you in the record pool? Yeah. He was a part of that. But he wasn't no DJ. He was just smart enough to put himself on a list. And he got the album two months in advance. This was before bootlegging and all that.

So he goes to me. He plays me to New York, New York. And I'm like, he's like, you think they dissing us? And then just out of the blue blue this nigga just runs 100 miles. This nigga just ran across the street and I'm like, oh shit! And he come back act like he never did it. He's like, yo, you think they dissing us?

He just ran back to us and had a conversation. I'm like, I'm jazzed. I'm like, I wanna be like, what the fuck are you just doing? You just ran away, man. But he handles his PCB. But the thing about it, that's how he you doing? You just ran away, man. But he handles his PCB. But the thing about it, that's how he handles it. He just runs for no reason.

I know a nigga that smoked dust one time and above the other birds of the world. Yeah, I know a nigga. Remember that nigga, what was his name? Reggie Jackson or some shit? Reggie Jackson? Nah, nah, this is a nigga from New Roe. Something Jackson.

Yeah, I know who he's talking about. Whatever, this a nigga from New Roe. Something to touch. Yeah, I know who you talking about. With an R. Whatever, this nigga smoked dust one time. And bugged out. Bugged out forever. He's still bugging out. Like, I'm talking, this nigga used to get mad girls. He used to play football, all of that.

Had everything going for him. Smoked dust one time. It was grass. Coo, coo, coo, coo. It was grass ass. This nigga was gone. This nigga was life. For the rest of his life 55th Street we smoked a duck up before Yo one time I took a mess tab And the bushes was talking Mess tab nigga I used to sell mess tab

You remember mess tab Mess tab is mescaline Mescaline is like our days ecstasy Yeah that was like a laughing tab That's a good way to put it That's some shit you take before you go to the club. I swear to God. Tabs.

I know. Listen. Tabs. Red Star. Double barrel. One time, I took a mess tab and got on a seesaw by myself. And that made it worse. I'm going up and down.

You made it worse. It made it worse. Listen. Dolo going up and down the moon talking to me like, you're killing it. I'm talking to the moon. Word. Word. Word.

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Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. And the moon started talking to me, Lord Jamal. And the moon was like, what's good, nigga? I said, how you, baby? Where you been at? I'm talking to the moon. The moon like, you good, nigga. We didn't need to start fucking with shit like that. It took me 50 minutes to walk from that park that's right by Chris in the mall to my hood. That is a 10-minute walk.

It took me 50 minutes because the Bushes was talking to me, and I was giving the Bushes fives. My niggas. Oh, yeah, good? Niggas was looking at me and we were all on the same tab. The crazy shit, the moon talked to us all. It was me, Down Lazy, I forget who else,

Biggie, Up, Down Lazy, wherever you at. So continue, I'm sorry. Shit that had me stop fucking with crazy shit like that like dust and shit like that. I couldn't talk properly when I smoked dust. We're getting in the way of me fucking with bro.

Word. You're like, I'm gonna... Mother rap. Mother rap. What you saying? That's a hit record now, Angel.

I used to go to this school. I used to go to this school. It was an alternative school for bad kids. Tell us what's it named, man. They used to call it Educate.

Oh, no. At first, I went to Sister Helen's your name, man. I used to call it Educate. Oh, no. First, I went to Sister Helen's. Sister Helen's. That was the bad people's school in New Rochelle. But then I graduated to Educate. Educate. Which was the bad people's school of Westchester. Like, Westchester bad kids, right?

So, whatever. Boom. There was this girl named Crystal. Baddest bitch in the school. Okay? The Asian guy got to relax again. Okay. She was fucking with some lame kid or whatever that used to smoke dust.

So whatever, she broke up with the nigga. I'd make my move, wanna. She ready to fuck with me. I invited her to the crib. She live up in Peekskill, though. Peekskill, New York. Peekskill, New York. Peekskill, New York. You might, New York. Peacekill, New York.

So I invited her to come to my crib, right? How long was that? That's an hour. She got on the bus, so it was, no, like two hours on the bus, son, bro. She transfers and all this crazy shit she had to do, right? So bomb. So I see my man. I'm like, yo, I got two bad bitches coming to the crib.

Blah, blah, blah. He's like, oh, word? Let's go get some dust real quick. Uh-huh. Nigga, we smoke. Can y'all fuck back on dust? No. No.

Dust is not good. That was my fucking dick up and all that. Word. So we go to Mount Vernon. We go to Mount Vernon and get some dust. We smoke. We come back to New Rochelle Now we meet the girls At the bus stop

Something like that We dusted As a motherfucker B We picked the girls Nigga I don't say A word to them We walk to the crib

It's like a 15 minute walk From the bus stop To the crib I don't say a word To these broads Neither one of us And y'all brand new again. No, this ain't brand new.

Nigga, I stopped all that shit early. I might be like 17 at this time. Take it to the crib. Sumbo. They was bad. Yeah, we just sitting there. Just staring at them. I know.

And they looking like, what's up? You niggas want to fuck or something? And we just like... Nigga, yo, she left out of there, she was so mad at me, she never fuck with me again. I said, I'm not fucking with this dumb shit no more. Fuck this shit. Y'all fucking with my shit that I really love, which is these brothers. Did Brand Newbie ever experience with cocaine or no? Absolutely not.

Yeah, see? It was out in those days. Too far. Yeah, like by then, too far. By then, it was too far. I might give a bro some. But now in the 80s. Me, first me.

It's too much for me. My shit is too much. Once the 90s came, I didn't even see no more power. Because back then, cocaine, even smoking woos, like you said earlier. It was cool. It was cool.

Niggas get fucked up. I used to be in the motherfucking... No, no, because I'm going to tell you, you used to be in the rooftop. In the rooftop. Nigg'm going to tell you you should be in the rooftop in the rooftop. If you want to smoke the walls, say smoking. Nigga. You just

fired that arrow for me. What year was that? I was born in 1987. I was born in 1977, so I was 10 years old. I'm in the last quarters with coke and $100 bill. If you ain't got a bill, you're like... Sniffing in front of broads, wanting them to see it because they know.

Yeah. That's a little young. I'm like 15. That was like fly back then. I'm blowing a smoked coke and cigarettes in the broad's face to let her know that I got the coke. If you ain't got it, you better crush it. Because the ass of them live niggas was fucking with it at that time. New York's dirty.

At some point. It's called dirty. Listen, at some point. That's Miami called dirty. That was a song. You want to crack it up? You want to smoke it. Listen, listen, listen, listen.

At some point, it switched from coke to crack. Word. That's when it got fucked up. So now, when it switched to crack, niggas thought you could only get a hook if you smoke it in the pipe. No. Right? So I done seen, like, niggas thought you could only get a hook if you smoke it in the pipe. What's a motherfucker? No. Right? So I done seen, like, niggas that was getting money.

I'm talking about getting money. Fuck that up. Start smoking woos. And then, phew, two weeks later, these niggas is the crackheads now. So I'm like, damn, nigga, like, nigga Like you was getting it Like how the fuck From smoking wood Word So

I feel the thing that saved me Let me just real quick Yes The thing that saved me From never being a fiend Or all that type of shit Was one Having knowledge of self

That's right That's right That's right Because the gods Word When you got knowledge They don't give a fuck What the fuck you high You, nigga. You better know

them fucking lessons or you're gonna get your fucking ass whacked. I'll get your crotch snatched. Like, I remember when I first got knowledge, I ran into this, into K-Born. Okay. K-Born sounds strong. K-Born was strong. Scary black god.

A black god. A big muscle. A scary black god. A god big muscle scary black god and the god said how you see today that I want to turn or whatever I said I'm a part of me god

I'm a little stimulated he said I don't care if you stimulated he said you better master your shit or you don't fuck with it you know what I mean so where the fuck

that's where it was that's where it was okay god pardon me and the next time Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word.

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Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. Word. you say, I'm never going to let nothing master me. I'm always going to be the master. That's what it's not. That's the only thing that I feel that some niggas didn't have

that made them run on being a fucking crackhead or something. How do you feel about these young kids? Because these young kids are actually drug addicts. They don't actually know. They glorify being a drug addict. They sound like drug addicts when they run. That's how That's how drug addicts talk

Like the drug dealer Talk authoritatively You know what I mean I'm sorry Can you say that word one more time Authoritatively Go get my shit Go get me some fucking duchess Authoritatively Authoritatively. You know, motherfucker, go get my shit. Go get me some fucking duchess.

Go ahead. Authoritatively? Authoritatively. Authoritatively. Authoritatively. There you go. Let's make some noise for Nori Leonard. Nori Leonard.

I got to use that somehow. Authoritatively is how the drug dealers used to talk to motherfuckers. You know what I mean? Yo, get me some duch Dutch's you'll run the store Give me some Dutch's you know fucking I need you to go fucking do this. Don't pick that up for me Telling niggas what to do Yeah, I'm ever try Molly? It's fantastic I never tried it

I'm just saying I'm gonna taste some shit I tried it He's got some pro drunk right here I tried half an ecstasy At the China Club That's as far as I've ever went And what happened?

I didn't really like it I'm not into that shit. The thing about ecstasy is... I smoke weed. That's why we're going to take a break. We're going to take a break. But the thing about ecstasy is

it's a hit or miss for ecstasy. See, Molly, if you got a good... I had a bad episode with Toronto. It was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I was like, yo,

I completely couldn't find out where the hotel was. I was like, yo, where the fuck am I at? It was like, you know, I was fucked up. You feel like he needed to get down. I had to get off my chest. I had to get off my chest. That shit. I'm going to be honest.

I'm going to be honest. Listen, I don't approve of it No No But you know what Molly was invented for For marriage counseling Really

So it's actually If you get a peer MDMA I don't recommend it It was invented But no it wasn't I'm dead serious Yeah Where you get that from

And He told you that No No It's something else. You can actually Google it. Huh? If you're counseling an incident.

Counseling an incident. That's how MDMA was made. That's where it was invented. Listen, listen, listen. If you and your lady are having problems. Give her some of this. Give her some of that. And she ready to freak off.

It's not even that. It's that she'll express to you why you're having problems. I didn't feel the same way. You're all expressing. What? I didn't feel. One time. You said ecstasy, bro.

My man and I said. Ecstasy is different. They gave me ecstasy. Because ecstasy is damn near a mess, man. They gave me ecstasy and some of that funny drink shit. I was in Delaware. Funny drink shit? Let me tell you something.

After this? Let me tell you something. I was in Wilmington. I ain't never drank lean, neither. I did a feature with somebody. I did a lecture. And it was like, I'm going tomington, Delaware. I didn't have a train lien either. I did a feature with somebody. And they was like, I'm going to give you some lien. So they paid for me to get down to Wilmington, Delaware to come back. I went to the studio.

There was some young niggas. They was like, yo, God, you can take this. I took some lien. I sat back on the Amtrak coming back to New York. I was back on the Amtrak coming back to New York. I was back like this. When I got back to 42nd or 34th Street, wherever the fuck it was, I was like, fuck it.

I can't get up. I take this shit with me. I'm going to Maine right now. I was like, I'm going to Maine. Wherever. I was going to Maine. But when I got up, I had a MetroCard. And I was trying to see if my shit could be taken. I was like, oh.

I said, why my shit can't look like this? Well, it was a lady. She was like, you gotta put it right here. And she took my hair like this. And I put it in. And I took some of it in. And I went home. And I was fucked up, yo.

I was like, yeah, I don't see how y'all got me. Let me tell you why I don't fuck with lean. I'm never in control. The reason why I only smoke weed is because I'm in control. And I'm a control freak. This keeps me even fit. But lean, I don't know how I'm young niggas fuck with that shit, yo. But I'm going to just throw this out there before we take this smoke break.

But Molly is okay. It's fantastic. I'm going to just throw this out there before we take this smoke break. But Molly is okay. It's fantastic. I'm going to just throw it out there. I'm going to have Molly. I was like, super disco king. I'm going to be honest. I don't want to fuck with any synthetics. I don't want to fuck with any pills.

I'm just throwing it out there. It's bad enough. I just smoke weed. Everybody got to take a Molly once. I'm just saying. I did. I did. I smoke weed and I drink Henny and Coke.

That's all I drink. See, y'all fucked me up a little bit Henny and Coke. That's all I drank. Y'all fucked me up a little bit with just Tiger Bones. That's herbs, though. It's herbs. I know, but it's just... See what it says? It's herbs in there.

I took a Molly once. Those herbs don't give a fuck about you. They're herbs. I took a Molly and I was dancing real fast and my man was like, yo, sorry. You dancing fast?

And I was like, I'm dancing fast? I was like, yo, sorry. You dancing fast? And I was like, I'm dancing fast? I was like, yo, yo, yo, you dancing fast, son? I was like, yo, you dancing fast? I'm a chill, I'm a chill, yo. He said I was dancing fast. Let me just chill.

My man, Twan, he was like, yo, you dancing real fast? I was like, you dancing fast? I was like, I'm a chill, bro, so worry about it. I was like, I'm chill. So, whatever. No more. Come on. Come on. I'm just big.

There's a lot of motherfuckers in here. Tiger Bone fights back. Tiger Bone. Yo. I got to take a piss and smoke some weed. Oh, yeah. Tiger Bone. I'm going to take a break. But Tiger Bone fights back.

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Pick up Aaron Cooks in the house. Through the front window and then red. Aaron Cooks. Cook up. Aaron Cooks. Go on the court. Sign the kick line. Lord, you're more than that.

You his management. Yes, sir. That's great. Yes, sir. You picked the best manager. See, this is how we're going to make it better. This is how we make the knowledge cool again. Because Aaron Cooks is hot.

He got that street shit mixed with that motherfucking knowledge shit. I like when Sadat is drunk. I like when Sadat is drunk. And you still go to the gym and I'm like, what? I had a situation and I ran for it. I had a situation. It sounds like you're sending me shit to me. That's what I'm hoping. Check this out.

Check this out. Empire Boulevard. We're going to take Empire Boulevard and Bedford. He was driving. I'm driving. Yard man driving. I made the turn.

It's like he couldn't make the turn. He made the turn, he got on some bullshit, I was in the car with three females, understand that. The nigga, I roll down the window, the nigga hit me, boom, through the window, I'm like oh shit, I come out of the car, the nigga runs, the nigga runs. He's right there. I'm like, police, come get him. I'm like, yo, I don't want to press no charges. Let him go. You know what I'm saying? Let him go.

Whatever. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I let him go. I'm like, yo, let's get it on the poppin'. You know what I'm saying? All right. He didn't let me do what I want to do The next day I went to the police station

68th precinct 68th precinct Oh shit I'm over there They're like we know what you're trying to do You can't do that right now I'll figure it out I'm going back and forth to court with some

I'll figure it out What's going back Back and forth To court with some I'll figure it out What's the doc's Favorite year In music Maybe 96 97 Cause that was

D.I.T.C. shit D.I.T.C. I'ma tell you One of my Most favorite MCs Big up to D.I.T.C. By the way Digging in the crates

I fuck with A.G. Big up A.G. A.G. I got an album Coming out with Diamond D. We finished it already. I got an album coming out with LSA. Who? Artifacts.

LSA from Artifacts. I have a story about them, too. Yeah. That's Redman's cousin, right? Is it LSA or the other one? Tame is Redman's cousin. Finished that. And I got a secret album coming out.

I'm going to say 1225 Park Avenue. 1225 Park Avenue. It's where Kool Keef was. That's what I was about to ask y'all. Because with the success of Tribe Called Quest, the resurgence, you know, Busta Rhymes is out here. People keep asking. I want to hear a new brand. The Resurgence. You know, Busta Rhymes is out here. People keep asking.

I want to hear a new brand new album. Yeah, definitely. I would love to make a brand new album. And trust me, the swords are still sharp. We're going to get Puba in the gym, too. Well, he's actually in the gym right now. He's lost a lot of weight probably since you last seen him. Time to come here tomorrow.

He's been posting little pictures on Facebook lately. You don't get on the wheel. He looks a lot better, and I'm happy about that. God bless. But we need poopers. This man stays in the gym. Get on the wheel. You know.

Get on the wheel with him. What's the wheel? And I'm just naturally. The wheel? Oh, the shit. I'm just naturally physically fit. The ab wheel. What's the wheel?

The ab wheel. Let's get on the shit. The ab wheel. The ab wheel. What's the wheel? The ab wheel. Let's do the wheel. Before we start doing any sets. That's your warm up? That's the warm up. We're doing 30 minutes on the treadmill. And then we're going to do 20 minutes on the wheel. We're going to do straight forward on the wheel.

20 minutes on the wheel, God? That's like an eternity. 20 minutes on the wheel.'re gonna do Straight forward on the wheel 20 minutes on the wheel God That's like an eternity 20 minutes on the wheel That's what we need God Puba not ready for 20 minutes 20 minutes

He can do it 5 minutes on the wheel God 5 minutes on the wheel God He can do it That's a little long On the wheel

Yeah You were going a little long On the wheel So what's your favorite year In music My favorite year In music Damn You mean Specifically hip hop on the wheel. So what's your favorite year in music? My favorite year in music? Damn.

You mean specifically hip-hop or in general? It doesn't matter. Well, see, I'm a hip-hop nigga, so it's not going to be my favorite year in classical music

or any other genre. Yeah, it's going to be hip-hop shit. I want to feel, I'm probably going to say like 86. I'm going to co-sign it. You know, no tricks in 86. It's time to go. I'm probably gonna say like 86 that whole era that whole time that was some real hip-hop shit. Relax, Jing Bay.

But honestly, you know, but then again when they talk about the golden era, like, which we happen to be blessed to be a part of. Early 90s. You know, that was a really good time. Early 90s. The mid-90s, yeah. Actually, the whole 90s was very good.

It tapered off at the end. It tapered off at the end, but like, most of the 90s was very strong It tapered off at the end It tapered off at the end But like Most of the 90s was very strong It tapered off at the end You had your Biggie's You had your Nas's You had your Tupac's

You know, Brand Newbie and Tricor Quest, Busta Who was the beef that Brand Newbie had With another artist? See, we never got into that type of shit Wow We never really Now once, homie Now once have with another artist. See, we never got into that type of shit. Wow. We never really had. Not once, brother. Relax, nigga.

Don't lie over there. Relax. No other artists. If we'd have gotten beef with somebody, it would definitely have been hands and feet. My beefs came, like, now, like, with this internet shit where I say certain shit about people.

You'd be pissing a new generation off. Oh, yeah. Or a day on Vlad TV. Oh, yeah Oh yeah You be pissing them off Do you do it on purpose Or you don't care Nigga Listen Are we taking another

Shot of Tiger Bone Nah hell nah See Are we skipping Yeah I'm skipping If you know me as a person Then you know How I get down

How I talk You know who's bought How I am You know who's bought You know what I mean Lord J is that nigga Like you know what I mean? Lord J is that nigga, like, you know what I mean, that just might say, what the fuck that you thought somebody shouldn't say, but niggas is thinking,

and so he said. You know what I mean? That's what the fuck I do, like, you know what I mean? So it's not that I'm trying to piss people off on purpose. You got people with yellow walls. But at the same time, I don't give a fuck. I just saw yellow walls. Yeah, see people like that. I saw yellow walls in Nashville. I just saw a yellow wolf.

I saw a yellow wolf in Nashville. When I got stuck in Nashville, I saw a yellow wolf. I think he lives out there. I would have beat his ass if I seen him. What happened to him? Because that faggot ass faggot, you know.

Damn, it's like that for real? Yeah, yeah. You know, nigga want to comment on some shit I said or whatever about, you know, white people being guests in hip hop, which they are. You know, this is the black man built this motherfucking house. You understand what I'm saying? Like, it was a time when white people would look down upon for fucking with this hip hop shit. You understand what I'm saying?

So don't try to claim it now because it's cool and all that shit. You understand what I'm saying? So don't try to claim it now because it's cool and all that bullshit. You understand what I'm saying? I think Eminem would agree with you. When I say you're a guest in this house, when I say you're a guest in this house, right? We're in a hotel right now, right? Do you feel any bad way about

being a guest in this hotel? You're being treated fairly. You're being treated well. But guess what? This ain't your fucking house. You don't own this place. You just rented this room for however many nights that you're here.

That's right. He's correct. But you can't do whatever the fuck you want. We going out on the terrace to smoke. Why? Because this ain't your Fucking house That's right And there's rules To this shit

So that's all I'm saying When it comes to this Hip hop shit If you're a guest That doesn't mean You know I'm trying to play you No

Hey you're welcome I'm not saying White people can't rhyme And all that type of shit But what you gotta understand is we started this shit. And this is our fucking shit. And you're not going to come in here and fucking try to fuck with the rules. There's something we used to talk about down by law back in the day.

What does down by law mean? Law means there's fucking rules and regulations to this fucking shit. And the only way you can get down if you down by law. If you fucking if you passed all the criteria that it takes to be down. See now niggas is just down because they got money or they down

because they down with the right record label or whatever the fuck the case may be. Fuck all that bullshit. I don't give a fuck how many records you saw. None of that shit. That don't mean a fuck how many records you sold. None of that shit. That don't mean nothing to me. Like, how are you affecting true black culture? How are you affecting the shit that we really fuck with?

Because we really don't give a fuck. As black people, we don't care how much records you sell. If you whack, you whack. I don't care if you sell 10 million records. You whack, motherfucker, on our standards. Don't put that shit in my face. So whatever. I said some shit and this faggot ass nigga, Yellow Wolf,

want to fucking, you know, invite me to his balls and all this bullshit. Now you cross lines. You see what I'm saying? Now when I see you, it's all exciting. And you don't even know who you fucking with. You know what I'm saying? Now when I see you, it's all exciting. And you don't even know who you fucking with. You know what I mean? That's all.

But I'm not even, I'm not a gangster nigga. You know what I mean? I'm not out here. Thank you, brother. I'm not out here trying to be the hardest nigga. But it's certain shit. You know, I'm cut from a certain cloth. The thing about you,

my bad to cut you off, but the thing about you is, you're, if you understand righteousness, you understand that you never actually said nothing wrong. You just stand on a certain principle. Exactly. And if you understand the principle,

like I watch it all the time. I watch you on Vlad all the time. And I'm like, damn, if a person came from our era, he's not dissing y'all at all. He never disrespected anybody white. He never did. He just said that, you know, you're a guest of the hip-hop.

And I so appreciate the way you just broke that down. Where are Latinos standing? First of all, Latinos was down with this shit from the beginning. Shout out people like Prince Whipple Whip. Shout out Charlie Chase. Shout out motherfucking...

Crazy Legs. What's my nigga from? Crazy Legs. Shout out my niggas from the Furious 5T, though. You know what I mean? Niggas like that. Like, Puerto Ricans and all of that. First of all, they're black people.

Let's not get it twisted. Like, we got dropped off at different islands and shit like that. It all started in Africa, okay? Now, when you're on an island, though, the grafting process goes faster because you have a smaller geographical area. So if the slave master starts intertwining with the slaves, they're going to get lighter and lighter at a faster rate. Whereas in America, it's a bigger geographical area. So, you know, the slave master was definitely intertwining, but it was spread out more. Whereas you have certain islands where they just fucking damn near try to milk it all the way. They try to graft it like the shit was Patmos.

You understand? So, Puerto Ricans, Hispanics have been down with this from the beginning. And I don't separate Puerto Ricans Hispanics Have been down with this From the beginning And I don't separate Puerto Ricans And Hispanic So when I say This is our house It's our house

Right You understand what I'm saying? Right You either black or you white In my book You know what I mean? Although there are subdivisions Absolutely But at the end of the day You either black or you white in my book. You know what I mean? Although there are subdivisions, but at the end of the day, you're either black or you're white.

Asians are closest to black people all day. Absolutely. Listen. Yeah, that's true. They are. It is. Because they are. I remember the original Chinese and all that. If you remember the original Vietnam War, the Vietnamese said... Coming home Vietnam, plug.

Yeah, big that up as well. But the original Vietnam War, they said this... Coming home Vietnam, plug. Yeah, big that up as well. But the original Vietnam War, they said this is not your fight, black man. Yeah. We fuck with y'all. The communists are saying that. We fuck with y'all. This is not y'all fight. And that was

super real. You know what I'm saying? So even Asian people identify what we are. Because Cuban, Puerto Rican, Ecuadorian, whatever, you're more closer than your black origins because Africans was the original man. The whitest white person will tell you if you got one drop of black blood in you, you black. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We not fucking with you. You can't be down with the Aryan nation. Yeah, you can't be. You know what I mean? We not fucking with you. You can't be down You can't be with the Aryan Nation. Yeah, you can't be down with the Aryan Nation. You can't be down with, you know, Queen Elizabeth

and all these other motherfuckers with the royal blood. You gotta drop them some shit that we're not fucking with. And when you say black, you even saying Spanish. No. Absolutely.

You're including Spanish. I'm including the Indians. I'm including, you know what I mean? Right. I'm including the Indians You know what I mean I'm including all Original people You know Now Sadat X What was the moment

In brand newbie history Where you said I have to Either continue With the group Or it's time for Sadax To do his solo I tell you what

It was fucking with Boy George The drug dealer Let's make some noise for the drug dealer Boy George God damn it Boy George That was the Bronx outpour He was in a group home in New Roe That's how New Roe it Boy George That was That was the Bronx outpour He was in a group home

In New Roe Exactly That's how New Roe Knew Boy George Exactly He was in a group home He wasn't rich then Right

Cause he was a rich nigga Okay So he was Y'all was in a group home With him No no no Okay I'm not even gonna front

George used to bless us With a whole bunch of shit Right He used to fuck with George. Like, when you say... Second. You talking about cocaine? Third.

What are you talking about, cocaine? I'm talking about whatever. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't even want to get into it like that. I like the way you said it. Georgie was Georgie. You know what I'm saying?

But, you know... That's a great movie as well.ie. You know what I'm saying? But, you know. That's a great movie as well. Is that where the wild cowboys were? So to answer the question, why did Boy George make you feel like you should do some solo shit, get on your wild cowboys

and all that? Because we used to see Boy George and it was the infamous party on the boat. He had to party on the boat Gave niggas the bell buckles Bell buckles?

Sounds serious This is the original good bell game? Let's go Nobody listens to us It's okay I'm going to tell you what Nobody listens to this We just on Revolt TV.

We're just on CBS. George, put it like this. George is the boss. I'm talking about Beekman Avenue. Beekman, St. Mary's, Cortland Avenue, 152, 153, 156, Melrose, Jackson, and Cortland. How did that lead to you doing your solo shit? Thank you, thank you, my brother. What it led to is because George was like, I fucked with George.

George had the group home next to my crib. He was like, fuck everybody else, your son. Do what you do. Right. You know what I'm saying? He didn't want you to my crib. He was like, fuck everybody else, your son. Do what you do. Right. You know what I'm saying? He didn't want you to sell drugs. Nah. But I fucked with my cousins.

You know what I'm saying? TV? TV. Who said TV? We know, bro. Who said TV? Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Bring him to the floor. in February It's my brother right here. When TV come home? In February. That's what I'm talking about. There you go. It's February now. So you telling me that's a real nigga? That's my cousin. Next February. TV. All right.

Understand. All right. Boy George. Understand. Understand. Translation. Just translation. Come on, man.

All right. You know what I'm saying? So y'all get niggas can switch how y'all want to do whatever you want to do boy George's real nigga That's who I was fucking with. Let's make some noise for boys It's so sacred I only want to talk about him no more No, I'm simple cuz is he in jail? Yeah, when this boy Joyce come home? Never What do you have? I'm talking about cars With the boom insistent

Tax coming out the back The old stash box The old stash box Where It's been many people That want to talk about Boy Joyce I don't even want to get into that shit Let me ask you a question.

How did you get the idea of getting niggas fucked up in order to reveal their most inner secrets? Where did you come up with that? You said, you know what? I'm going to have a bottle full of liquor.

I'm going to get niggas fucked up. Niggas already fuck with me so they feel comfortable around me and I'm going table full of liquor. I'm going to get niggas fucked up. Niggas already fuck with me, so they feel comfortable around me. And I'm going to just get them so fucked up, and they're just going to fucking say shit. Where'd you come up with that idea, guy? I'm talking about Beakman. Behind the buildings.

Hang on, hang on. I'm interviewing Nori real quick. I don't think men, yo. Behind the buildings? Could you come on, man? Twisted. It's some bullshit. I'm talking about Corlin Avenue.

152. Talk, stop. Beat men. St. Mary's. St. Mary's. We're flying New York. We went around Corlin to get that pee blow, nigga. C-Tab. C-Town.

C-Town. Never mind. We're going to stop. C-Town. That's a real cross, nigga. That's my family. C-Town. Yeah, that's my family.

Knock it off. Melrose, Jackson. Park Avenue. Come on. TB. Fresh. Vietnam. Let's keep it going.

Vietnam. My people still live in Viennese. Knock it off. Y'all don't even want to fuck with that type of shit right there. I'm keeping on a rap level. Y'all want to get to that type of shit?

Knock it off. Come on, man. George, put it like this. Yes. When they had the party on the boat, gave everybody the belt buckles. The belt buckles. It was winners for different prizes. How much work?

Matter of fact, I'm going to stop it right there. Please, come on. That's right. Stop it right there. I'm going to stop it right there Please Come on That's right Stop it right there I'm going to stop it right there And I won't even Get into that shit So to answer

Lord Jamar's question That he just asked me He asked me When we come up The thing is With the idea Of getting niggas fucked up Put that part in there too

We're going to get Straight to it Me and AFM I heard him on the radio today Seriously I like Scram Jones show And he Scram kidney

Yeah He had said something very crazy And it was real We used to be I used to record in his studio In Miami In Miami I used to record there

And he used to play poker At the same time Poker in studio Is probably the same amount of hours Like eight Six to eight hours If you're playing a real Intense poker game

You're playing You're doing a real Intense studio And Can't say something today That it fucked me up It was like six to eight hours. If you're playing a real intense poker game, you're doing a real intense studio. And I can't say something today that it fucked me up. Because it was like, that's how we invented Drink Champs. We would drink all night, and whoever would fall asleep, we'd be like, you ain't no fucking Drink Champ. And he said that today. And that's pretty much how we came up with the idea.

We actually had a radio show prior to that. It was called Militant Crazy Raw Radio. We was on Raw 666. Before the merger. Leo G. I always hate it when we say that and we don't mention Leo G.

No, no. And Miss Kitty. We always get propped up. So, big them up. So, what happened was we came together. We loved the 90s. We loved that era.

We feel like that's the golden era of hip-hop. It was. But we don't want to live on the past. So we sat back and said, you know what? Why don't we interview just legends? Just legends.

Like, I don't, we don't want, you know, we might interview some new guys here and there. Like, we had Fresher on here. We had, uh. But he came with, he wasn't. Yeah, he came with Royal Flush. Royal Flush, yeah. And we had, uh.

Of course. Yeah, we got no problem with new guys, but it's just, this is an era. Nah. I don't think Aaron Cook came with Royal Flush. And we had... We got no problem with new guys, but this is an era. Aaron Cooks came with Brandon. We had somebody else. Which is the way it should be. It's the way it should be. So what we said,

we said, you know, why not get our legend in the wrong? My dad for breaking out that day. Everybody's like yo what happened I saw the episode and you break out The young man had to perform And I had to be I had to go to my managerial

Let's say that one real quick Wow I had to get on my managerial shit And so I had to leave the fucking shit. But I would have loved to kick it with y'all. But get back to the, you know, we want to respect our legends because this is the only genre in music that once you have 10 years in this game, they try to kick you out. And I want to reverse that thing. I didn't want to complain about it.

I want to reverse it. You know what I'm saying? Because there's a lot of people that complain about, yo, music ain't this. But you ain't doing nothing about to help that side of the music. You are, though. No, I'm saying I'm talking to other people. So what I'm saying is you can't complain about something if you ain't going to do something about something. So when we started this, like I said, this is a vinyl guy.

Like, he's DJs. He wants vinyl. He wants the original essence of hip-hop. He's scratching. He does the real essence of hip-hop. He's scratching. He does the real shit. And I had to respect that. And I had to say to him, you know, at one point, I used to tell him, man, get a fucking Serato, man. And I'm like, why?

If this is what he wants to be and he can maintain that. If you want to carry crates. Whoa. Don't do it. Don't carry crates. Exactly. That's why Serato is the shit. I understand. Shut up the damn instruments. What I'm saying's why Serato is the shit. I understand.

What I'm saying is we wanted to preserve the culture. We wanted to sit back and say, you know what? Fuck that. Lord Jamal, Sadat X, Grand Puba, all these people, y'all deserve to be saluted. It ain't just me. It ain't just him. It ain't just us in this room. Y'all deserve to be. Y'all raised people. Literally, you just me. It ain't just him. It ain't just us in this room. Y'all deserve to be...

Y'all raised people. Literally, you raised me. I'm a great person because I listen to Brand New Beer. You know what I'm saying? I had the balance of life. Levels fall backwards is level. You got to balance it. Hold on real quick.

I want to add something. There's no conspiracy to this. We're all grown-ass men. You can drink whatever you want to drink something there's no conspiracy to this like we're all grown-ass men you could drink whatever you want to drink you don't have to drink all right yeah see we interview so we and we're not really doing interviews we're just talking conversation like if we were how we were doing in the studio when we was drinking and talking shit that's where the idea came from this is what we're doing in the studio anyways i'm just saying it's a smart idea. When CBS told us that our market was from 16 to

24, it blew my mind. Because the reason why it blew my mind is because we don't interview nobody 16 or 24. Right. You know what I'm saying? But your energy is lit. You know what I'm saying? The energy in here

is lit. The fact that a motherfucker might say anything or hear an ill story that they might not necessarily hear anywhere else is what makes you guys popular and I just want to say

a shout out. We care about the culture. We really do care about the culture. I remember you came up to me. Uh-huh. We was at, you was with me. Was it Jadakiss Party? Jadakiss shit.

I remember, okay. This nigga says, yo, I like that shit you be saying over there. Uh-huh. He was like, yo, I be wanting to say that type of shit, but I be scared. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really do. I really do. I really do.

And then I saw you came with this. I said, this nigga's genius. All right, thank you. Okay? Because instead of you saying some shit, let me just interview niggas and let them say it. I said, this nigga is smart as a motherfucker. Good for you, my nigga. Good for you.

And I'm glad where it's going and where, and I hope you just keep running with it. And in the process, because we see you on Vlad TV, so, you know, we also want to throw our hat in the ring. Because, you know, we got the Drink Champs Network, me and my partner, BJ EFN. So if you ever think about starting a podcast. I am thinking about that. I got ideas. I am thinking about that. I got ideas. I'm an idea man. I'm not about to.

You know, I could just look right now and just say, Bridging the Gap. You being a legend that you are and you putting on an artist like Anderson Cooke. Aaron Cooke. If y'all was to do a podcast together, like the old meets the new, the new meets the old. And he can sort of school you on why, you on why people listen to the Migos. I'm not saying you're outdated and you don't listen to the Migos. But he can explain to you why. You listen to the Migos.

Yeah, I do too. And then you could be like, well, you know, in our days, you know, it's shit like that. And, you know, the thing about podcasts, I never felt more important in my life. Like, I really, like, I mean, you know, music is like selling drugs. If I don't come outside, they'll go see Jewel Santana. If I don't come outside, they'll go see Redman. They'll go see whatever. If I don't drop an album.

Podcast, these niggas being my DMs, disrespectful. Yo, why the fuck I can't see the videos no more because y'all on the phone. I'll be like, yo, relax. These videos is coming out. You listen to me. Whatever an artist is anywhere near Miami, the Drink Champs Army will record.

If you would have went to Miami while we was trying to get you, they would have recorded you. Like, look, Lord Jamal's hair. And they'll send me this shit. Like, these... The drink champ's on. What's going on? Let him get up.

Let him go to the bathroom. You all right? Yeah, I'm good. You sure? Yeah, I'm good. Can you go to the bathroom? Listen. He's the type of nigga, he has no shame in throwing up.

Okay? Okay. That nigga be telling you stories the next day ah last night he be like man I hurled he be like I hurled ah me and such and such yo I hurled we got you right there

niggas in the flat this nigga came in with the soldier face, though. I was like, what the hell? You just got out, bro. We got some other guys. This nigga pulled a bag. I said, what the fuck? What the fuck's going on here?

I'm a star here. I'm from Big God. Big up to Diego from his store. You trying to put that bag over my head? What the fuck you trying to do? Never been struck with a yellow shirt. Yellow shirt? I don't know what you're into.

You old, are you? Aaron Cooks. I'm too serious right now. Talk to the people real't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Now The group I brought to the game Before this was Dead Prez My people

People don't know that I didn't know that either Florida people I discovered Dead Prez I signed him to Loud Shout out Steve Rifkin Rich Isakson All that shit

Now If I was a thirsty nigga, I would have been keep trying to feed y'all bullshit niggas between now and then. All right. You understand? So how did you discover Aaron Cook? Good God. It's a long story. Basically, I found him on the internet by accident. Wow.

Okay? The universe sent me to Where you from man? Syracuse Syracuse, New York So New York is a very big place We're used to just five boroughs In New York being poppin

Let's go Don't get violent Nah, I don't wanna get violent What kind of glasses are those? These? They're like Let's go. Don't get violent. Nah, I don't want to get violent. What kind of glasses are those? These? They're like... Prescription. They're very fly.

Prescription, yeah. They're prescription glasses. I'm on an involuntary hiatus right now. Hiatus. Hiatus. A hiatus. They're from the... Involuntary.

We got somebody correcting the teeth. Involuntary right hate this. They probably hate it. Hey, we got somebody correcting the team. They probably hate it right now. But it is what it is, you know. I don't give a fuck. But let's make some noise for Stop Being Drunk. You went in on three channels.

Oh, he's twisted. Yeah, if we went to... Have anybody been this twisted yet? We haven't. We haven't. I was... We've been that fucked up. You've been that fucked up? Yeah. Listen everybody Let me just say something I can't help say something Hold on, hold on, hold on Everybody, everybody You good Listen, everybody

Listen, we celebrate our artists And tonight Brand Newbian Deserves to be celebrated Because you know why? Y'all raised so many people You saved so many people's lives With y'all music

Y'all have touched so many people And this night Is all dedicated to y'all And when we drop people. And this night is all dedicated to y'all. And when we drop this episode, it's going to be dedicated to y'all. You're going to see these kids post y'all albums. You're going to see these kids. You don't understand. A lot of these dudes, they're going to be mad at me.

Last night, he was fucked up. I don't give a fuck about that. You know what? You have fun. You know one of the things I've heard over the years? Fuck about that. Constantly that is very rewarding.

What? People come up to me and be like, yo, I used to listen to you. Your shit got me through college. Yeah. Or jail. Jail and college. Those two places.

Motherfuckers, yo, we used to rock your shit. We used to rock your shit. I should have got you to walk through the store right there. Okay. Listen. No, but that shit right there is like, or, you know, a rewarding thing is when motherfuckers arefucks like yo I got knowledge of self because of y'all like it's because of y'all that I got

an interest in learning about myself and I'm like wow thank you because that's why we wanted to do this shit in the first place you know and what's the most record when people come up to you they be like this record what's the record I think it depends on the most record When people come up to you They be like this record What's the record

It's Punks I think it depends on the age For younger people It's Don't Let It Go Yet You telling me slow down You mean people literally Stop smoking crack from slow down For younger people

It's Don't Let It Go Yet Niggas are smoking crack And say slow down And he's like oh man You were about 35 to 40 years old If you were smoking crack At this age You were about 35 to 40 years old. Word of love. That's all of us in this room right now. You smell the crack at this age? You're about 35 years to 40 years old.

For real, baby. You get a call? Yeah, yeah. What else do you get? Hello, Mr. Sampir. Where's my fact? Yes? Yeah, I'm against this abortion.

Ali. Who? Ali. Of course. It said Ali G. Ali. Ali course. It said Ali G. Ali. Ali's here. Nah.

I invited somebody. I invited somebody. You invited somebody? Somebody says Ali downstairs. Somebody says Ali. Hold on. He's like, yes, that's my Muslim brother Yeah

Definitely Muslim Ali So now We're going to try to end We don't have to end it, but what do y'all think About Donald Trump He doing what he He set out to do, yo

Fuck Is he the mark of the beast yo. Fuck. Destroy the world? Fuck it. Is he the walk of the beast? Is he the end of the world? Yes, sir. No. Yes, sir. Then he's doing what he's supposed to do, yo.

He's not the end of the world. No, he's not. Okay? He might be the awakening of the world. There is no ending of the world. Let me just say that I'm almost happy for Donald Trump. For him or for I'm happy he's here.

You know why? You know why? Because nothing good comes without struggle. Nothing good comes easily. Trying to figure out where you going it's like for many years we've had a very hypocritical society we've had a racist

society that pretended it wasn't racist and And it allowed certain black people to move in a certain way and feel like it's all good in this motherfucking hood. Well, guess what? It's not. It's not. It really isn't. And niggas like Donald Trump is tired of the facade.

They're tired of being hypocritical. And they're like, fuck the bullshit. Let's be the white people we were meant to be. Straight up. Okay. So now he's just talking the shit that a lot of white people are thinking in their head. Is there a reason why people like me on Vlad?

Because I say shit that you might be thinking in your mind, but you think is politically incorrect to say. For real, dude. Now, Trump is doing the same thing for white people. And you're giving back? What? I know.

And I'm not mad at that because... Huh? You can't? It's all... Positive shit comes out of chaos. You need people to feel... You need a catalyst.

You need something... Whoa! Oh, we really fucking up now. And I need the catalyst. And that glass is gangster because it didn't break. I know, but I heard all kinds of splashing and

cringing. Crashing. I need a catalyst. You need a catalyst. This is my room. So is he a horseman? Is he a horseman? Maybe. Right. What I'm saying

is he's somebody that's needed in order for us, for certain people to wake up and put themselves in gear. Because even white people who voted for him were like, we fucked up. Some of them. Some of them said that they voted for Hillary, but really voted for him.

Believe that. Wow. Okay? Believe that they came back and said, yeah, I voted for Hillary, but they didn't vote for Hillary. They voted for him because it's all about what you do in the, you know, when you're by yourself. That shows what real type of person you are. You see? If you're hungry and you say you don't eat swine,

are you going to eat the ham sandwich if it's sitting there? I'm not. You're not. But some niggas will if they're not to the certain fortitude, the certain discipline. And that's why they want you to be weak of discipline in this world.

I know Muslims, they eat pepperoni sometimes. They promote lack of discipline because it's discipline which will save you. Obviously. You want to eat pepperoni? Never. I don't even eat red meat. And Trump got no discipline. That motherfucker, if you tweeted him right now and he saw it and he said some shit,

he'll talk shit back to you because his ego is so sensitive and so raw. You know what I mean? And anybody that allows their emotions to control them like that is a weak person. And now you allow this motherfucker to run your country? Are you fucking kidding me? You know what I mean? Are we doomed? Niggas talk shit about me every day on the fucking internet.

If I was to respond to all of that... You embrace the internet a lot, though. You like the internet. I like the internet, too. Yeah, because it's funny. You get it, though. It's funny to me. But you get it.

Like, when motherfuckers talk shit to me, I'm laughing. And, like, you're not hurting me. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing you can say to me that's going to penetrate my armor. Can we squash it with you and Vince Staples? Can we get that? Who's Staples? I like Vince Staples.

He's just a little young nigga. I don't got no real beef with Vince Staples. I'm glad to hear that. I got love for Aaron Cooks. All right. Fuck Vince Staples. But. Nah, that's not Staples. I'm glad to hear that. I got love for Aaron Cooks. All right. Fuck Vince Staples. But... We can end on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how to fuck with him. I think somewhere... Listen, I think somewhere with me and him... Don't break your wrist. I don't even know how to see those guys cross. But I don't wake up thinking about the little homie or whatever. But at the same time, I come from an era where you respect your OGs and you gotta respect

for your elders and you don't talk to your elders in a certain fucking way. You know what I mean? Let me be the devil's advocate. I want to say, I think Vince respects the older generation. He respects his elder classmen. I just think that, you know, he's also a nigga.

He's also just us. I feel that. He's just us. I feel that. So he just responded. I feel that. But I didn't start this. Relax.

I don't know. I don't know. My nigga named Vince Staples. He signed a deaf channel or some shit like that. respond to the shit that I say without the intellectual ammunition to fuck with me. And then you put yourself in a certain corner where it gets funny. I ain't got no problem with this. It's not that serious. Trust me.

The only niggas that if I see them on site that I'm knocking the fuck out. Let's put this on tape. Sadako in there. Only niggas that I'm knocking out on site

if I see on site is Yellow Wolf, Ashy Larry, Nah, nah. Nobody gonna be for Ashy Larry. Oh yeah.

What type of nigga you is? I'm gonna be Ashy Larry's ass if I see him. On site. There's not going to be no talking. I'm going to hold his ass. Hold on, Zadak.

Hold on, Zadak. How you get beat by Ashy Larry, nigga? Yo, this nigga just crossed the line. He fucking, you know, his brother's a faggot. And he mad that I said some shit about homos or whatever. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He just crossed the line. He tried to make videos talking bullshit.

All this bullshit. Okay. Actually, Larry. Yeah, I'm going to have to backhand slap him like a little bitch. Nah, at Vash Larry. I mean, he wasn't trying to be funny. No, he was being disrespectful.

He was being disrespectful and funny. I thought he was being, but he was not even funny. I don't understand. Like, it was just, who else? So, it's, y'all want to ask Larry, who else? And the last one, I don't want to say these niggas, because I don't like giving these niggas what the fuck I really like. You don't have to.

But it's these two podcasting niggas. Kill one, do the next one. These two podcasting, Desus and Mero. Oh, man. Yeah, I'll slap both of them niggas at the same time. Damn right, Slap. I'll slap both of them niggas at the same time. Why?

What happened to them? Slap. Them niggas? Slap. Them niggas? Slap. Slap. Slap. Slap. Slap. Slap. Oh, yeah. I'll slap both of them niggas at the same time. I'll slap both of them niggas at the same time. What happens to you? Them niggas think they can play some niggas.

Yo, yo, they just let it get loose. What the fuck? Yo, shut the fuck up. Please. I'm at Blake Fitness on Fair... Deep. On, uh, what's that? I'm at Moose's... Come on. Fitness on the flip side. Tomorrow.

Maybe tomorrow. I'm going to go there tomorrow. My man, D from Rough Riders. I see him. I see him. Yonkers in this shit. Yonkers. I do.

Yo, so we got the tri-state area. What is the Yonkers area? What is that called? Like, that's Westchester? Yes. So, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Foot. Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, White Plains, Portchester. That was all the popping where black people be at in Westchester. You know what I mean?

Anything other than that. Tunnels to die for. And it was some real hood shit. We can fight right now. I take my glasses off. Relax, Sadat. It's all peace in here. It's all peace in here.

We'll fight, Sadat. Nobody want to fight. Nobody want to fight, Sadat. I love that. I love it. Y'all is as hood as a motherfucker. Yeah. Okay, Ash Burton, Warburton, Cottage, Moffitt, Riverdale.

And I want to say something real quick. Big up to Doggy Diamonds because I see something that was recently when Doggy Diamonds put something on his website. Who are these things? They made a lease for frame. And he took it down. So I want to say shout out to Doggy Diamonds. I fuck with Doggy Diamonds. We don't care about none of that shit.

Like the locks, don't ever let nobody destroy the locks at all. And Doggy Diamonds let somebody do it, and then he took it down. I gotta salute Doggy Diamonds for being aware of what's happening. And we don't understand, or we don't care what's going on, but the locks did so much for hip-hop

that we don't want to ever hear anybody just shit on them. Let me get you on the fight for a million dollars. Who? Who I can fight for a million dollars? You want to fight Soulja Boy? A million dollars? You want to fight Soulja Boy? A million dollars? You want to fight Soulja Boy and Sadat?

That nigga don't want to pull out no Draco. All right. A million dollars? You don't want the Draco. Yo, Soulja Boy? Sadat against Soulja Boy? I'll beat the shit out of you. You think Sadat ain't from the hood?

You think Sadat ain't from the hood? Yeah, you know I went to the hood today. You think Sadat ain't from the fucking hood? A million dollars I went to the hood. You think Sadat ain't from the fucking hood? A million dollars? So what's new for Brand New Beer before we get out of here? I'll beat the shit out of you, son. For a million dollars, only body blows. No face, bro.

Only body blows. Hey, yo. You want to take that shout out? We can fight tomorrow. Put them having on Malcolm X. I'll be at the mall. And Lord Jamal. I'll be at the mall.

You too big for that, boy. I'll beat the shit out of you, here tomorrow So what's next for Brand Newbie Before we get up out of here Tell us the future The future is us That was hard The future is Right now I'm on my executive shit You know what I mean

Aaron Cooks Let me just tell you If you believe me Why don't I hear Elliot Wilson train Aaron cooks. Aaron motherfucking cooks. Let me just tell you. I wouldn't say that I didn't fuck with me. Take him. Hold on. If you believe me as a... Why don't I hear Elliot Wilson train? I don't fuck with Elliot Wilson. I don't like him.

I don't like him, son. Let's talk about this. For real. For real. I didn't mean it this time. I didn't mean it this time. What happened? We don't like it.

Fuck him. Let's talk about it, man. What did Elliot do to you? I just never liked him from the beginning. Since it happened, I don't even remember, yo. And I don't care about him, yo. If you got some problem with it, tell him to come see me. We can fight right there on...

I'm going to be honest. I'm betting my money on you. Put it on me. I'm putting my money on you. Put it on me. Is my money secure? Yeah, because I don't like him in you. I'm like Chuck Wilson.

I don't really... Chuck, I can fuck with Chuck a little bit. Who's Chuck Wilson? Who's that? He don't baby grand. I can fuck with Chuck a little bit. But... I feel like you owe me money. I don't give a with Chuck a little bit, but I don't give a fuck

about them niggas. I don't give a fuck about them shit. Wait, Chuck and Elliot Wilson is down together? I gotta grind for my shit every day. I don't give a fuck about them niggas. Fuck them niggas, right? He's angry right now. I'm not even angry. I'm not even angry. I don't give a fuck about them niggas.

And if they feel some type of way... Man, don't put your fuck in that camera. Come on, chill, man. Come over there. Edit that shit out, yo. Edit that shit out. Come over there. Don't put that shit out.

That's a marker right there. Edit that shit out. Yo, whoever got that ringtone, turn it off, please. Yeah, because it's making me depressed. Because none of my niggas is home now. Your ringtone made me sad. All right, they home. So listen.

Let's make some noise for this guy actually a drunk. We love him. No, no, no, no, no. Yes, you are. Oh, yes, you are. Oh, yes, you are. Your fucker wasn't up sober. Let's just throw that out there.

You don't like him sober. I don't like him anyway. Right. I don't like him from years ago. Right. I don't like him from years ago. Right. And if he fucks some type of way,

he'll come to me as a man and speak to me as a man. Right. Other than that, I smack the shit out of him. Right. All right, I just want to say real quick that I've always been like an A&R

ever since like I was a little kid. Like I was always in hits and dope rappers and all this type of shit. I just want to say this kid right here, and I'm not just saying because I fuck with him. He's one of my favorite rappers of all time. Goddamn, Eric.

I just want to say fuck Elliot. Like seriously. Whatever it's going to be, it's going to be. If he want to do some shit, we can be on We can be on Whatever, yo. I never liked it for a while. If you wanna do something,

it's all good. I'm just trying to personalize. Y'all was fucking with the same broad. What the fuck? Yo, listen. I can't thank y'all enough funnin' with the same broad. That's not right. What the fuck's wrong with you? I'm like, yo, listen, I can't thank y'all enough for comin' to hang out with us. Aaron Cooks, we really support you. I'm not supportin' him.

Fuck him. No, Aaron Cooks we talkin' about. No, no, no. No, you're talkin' to, no, no. I'm talkin' to Aaron. Yeah, we talkin' about cook-up. And if you ever wanna do somethin', believe me, you know where you at, y'all.

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