Drink Champs - Episode 9 w/ Too $hort

Episode Date: May 20, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN present the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with West Coast pioneer, Too $hort. They discuss Too $horts Los Angeles roots, then his Bay Area beginnings, pimp culture, staying relevant all these years and a lot more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, right now, we have a super duper legend. I want to say he's the first Oakland rapper. I want to say he's the first person, because when I heard out, I found out that he was actually from South Central first, but we're going to get into that later. But the first person, he's the guy who single-handedly made bitch.

What's my favorite word? I don't know why every time I say bitch, I grab my collar. I don't know why. Like, this is how much it is. The hyphy movement, everything derived from this guy. He's the first person. He's reinventing himself. On the East Coast, especially in New York, he's the first person

that we saluted as the first pimp in rap. The first person that made people bow down. The first person that made bitch cool actually. And he's a motherfucking legend. Every promoter I ever speak to or I ever talk to, they say Short is the easiest person to work with.

Because he just coming in there. He's just pimpin'. Let's make some noise for fucking Tushar! Tushar, first off, let me just thank you, man, for being a part of this, man. You know what I mean? We only interview on Legends. That's what we're doing. And too short, you was the first person to make Bitch famous. How did that happen?

Well, you know, like you mentioned a minute ago, I did really grow up in South Central L.A. South Central. Let's make some noise for South Central. God damn it. So, you know, I got a good colorful childhood. I've seen it all. So you was gangbanging? Nah, nah, nah.

You never gangbanged. Little nigga in the set. My older brother was banging. You never repped that. I keep you real close to it. So I'm in there. You know, all my cousins, we live all over the city. You know, the hood and shit.

Real colorful, you know, upbringing. Just seeing what was going on in the city like L.A. in the early, mid-70s, late 70s. And I moved to Oakland right after ninth grade. How old were you? I was 14. Okay. And then you would think of California, California, and just move it up the street.

But it's like... It was a totally different world. It's probably like a kid from New York moving upstate or something. Like the difference. Or moving to like Philly or something like that. So I get to the Bay, it's a whole different world. Because they're pippin'. And it's like even more colorful

and more just out there in front of you where, you know, it just got a little more personal for me. I'm coming to the Bay. So you left South Central at 14.

Mm-hmm. So you're like almost a grown man, and then now you come to the Pampion? Because this is the pimpin' country. And LA is like real territorial. LA at that time was like, you know, even to this day, it's like in the inner city, it's like from neighborhood to neighborhood.

The faces, you know, who's running and shit, and where you supposed to be and not supposed to be. You hit the wrong block, you fucked. Now, where from in LA was that? I'm an 80th and Normandy. I know South. Oh, my God. Normandy is where the riots started. And then my first cousin's on 84th and Hoover.

Oh, my God. So that's just. Super Crip. That's Crip neighborhood, right? Yeah, it's all Crip. But that's not very fucking far away. Okay. But it was like.

It was like two different worlds away. To travel there to there, you got to know your motherfucking route because they're going to take your bike. They're going to take something if you hit the wrong bike. So I get to Oakland, and it's not really about little packs of gangs, and it's not about blue or red. It's not about the neighborhood so much. It was just like who's getting money. However, so in Oakland.

Now, how far in Oakland was Fillmore Street? Because that's the first thing I heard about in Oakland, Fillmore Street. Fillmore in West Oakland? Is that when I... Fillmore is a neighborhood in San Francisco. Okay, break that down for us.

Fillmore is a very historical neighborhood, too. Oakland has a lot of history. You got different parts of the Bay. You look at the Bay like you look at the five boroughs in New York. It's different sides of the Bay. E-40 and them over there from Vallejo. Vallejo.

It's a little town called East Palo Alto. They got a lot of backbone. It's, you know, San Francisco got a couple little neighborhoods over there. Right. Hunters Point and Philmo

and Sunnydale. You know, they're real reputable neighborhoods. But, you know, I'm from East Oakland. I got mine from the east side. So I show up

and I'm just being a sponge, man. It's a new place. I'm looking around. You know, I go to East Oakland. I got mine from the east side. So I show up, and I'm just being a sponge, man. It's a new place. I'm looking around. You know, I go to Fremont High School and shit, and it's like I go to school. And there's a nigga named Frank DeBank who's pimping. He's a 12th grader pimping. Hold on. Let's make some noise for Frank DeBank.

Come here. Come here. Come here. He's pimping. Uh-huh. In a high school? Yeah. One of his hoes Go to the school too

Okay So I'm in this city now I'm like wow So it's like This nigga got another hoe Come show up after school Every day and pick him up Him and the young hoe up

Why? And they go to work So it's like It was that type of environment man You got cats riding around In like limousines This nigga's driving In a limousine

If you roll the back window down It's like five hoes back there And them his hoes He's not the driver And that's the first time You coming from South Central This nigga's driving a limousine. If he rolled the back window down, it's like five hoes back there. And them his hoes. He's not the driver. And that's the first time you're coming from South Central, and that's the first time you've seen Pimp in. And then at the same time, it's like Oakland was a lot different, man.

It was like niggas was doing, like, car bombs and shit. Damn. Let me stop you. What do you mean by car bombs? Niggas was blowing each other's cars up while they was at war. Or some Bin Laden shit. Fuck a drive-by. They'd blow your car up.

They'd chop your body up and put you in a plastic bag on the side of the road. It was going down. They was doing mafia shit. Was this late 70s or early 80s? It's like Felix Mitchell. You ever heard of Felix Mitchell? Yeah, I did hear of him. But this is not the Spanish gangs, right? No, no, no.

Oh, this is before the Spanish gangs. This is black dudes. Oh, wow. This is the mob. They called themselves the mob, too. But it was just, it was different than the gang, the blue and red. People don't know that on the West Coast to this day, you got the L.A. cats. They went to San Diego, Sacramento, Denver, Salt Lake, Las Vegas.

Every city you name, I keep wanting to pop my collar. Every time you say, name it. Las Vegas, Phoenix, Arizona. They went to all these cities. Seattle, Washington, Portland, Oregon. And they converted motherfuckers into being Crips and Bloods. It was all up and down the West. You never found that shit in the Bay.

The Bay was like, we don't get it. We don't want it. And, you know, even though. Because even the Spanish gangs, they might, like, fly a color, but they ain't banging. Well, they was doing the north and south shit. It ain't the same science as Crips and Bloods in L.A. Right. Like a lot of cities are.

Like, you got Chicago niggas that go around and wait for Chicago and convert niggas into Vice Lords and GDs and everything. You know, it just didn't take to the bay. Right. Blue and red and all that shit. So I'm just taking this shit in as this new cat in the city. And I start rapping, just fucking around on the mic. All my early raps, like 1980, 81, my shit was kind of like whatever.

Whatever I was getting from Sugar Hill Records or something. Just that vibe about the party and shit and all that shit. So I'm rapping to different people's instrumentals. And the one thing that changed everything for me was when I first heard the message. And I sat there. I'm walking down the street. I remember I had my radio. Don't take me.

But I'm listening to this record. I've been bumping hip-hop for about three years at the time. And I'm listening to this record. And I can clear as day picture New York City. Because the nigga was describing it in the song. Had you been to New York at that time? Never. Okay, continue. So I can see New York. We wasn't nigga was describing it in the song. Had you been to New York at that time? Never. Okay, continue. So I can see New York.

We wasn't doing videos and shit back then. You just listen to the music. So the nigga was giving me New York. And I just had the idea of a lifetime. I'm about to give these niggas Oakland. So my upbringing in L.A. and then moving to Oakland and taking it in like a canvas or something and absorbing it, something that I didn't receive from birth.

I just came into it. I started writing about it. It became like my muse, the city of Oakland. And even later in life, I could get stuck in the studio and just think of some crazy shit I've seen in Oakland, some shit I heard in Oakland, some shit I think about Oakland and just start writing. This shit just made me write songs. So what was the name of the first album on Get Out?

Don't Stop Rapping, and I named it that for a reason. And you didn't stop rapping. High five, high five, high five. Make some noise for him now. Stop rapping. So short. That's crazy. That is crazy.

And what year did that drop? 1985. 1985. I was born in year did that drop? 1985. 1985. I was born in 1977, just so you know. So, if I know that, you know I'm a big fan. I've always been a big fan of you. You was raping Jive for a long time. Come on, let's salute to that.

Rape Jive. Going on those crazy tours, too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck Jive. Do you have a scene on him, guys? You saw that Planet Rock documentary? Yeah. Mmm.

The relationship between crack cocaine and hip hop? Mm. That's not the documentary. It's on VH1. It was either VH1 or VH1. I think it's VH1. Planet Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

VH1, VH1. Throughout the history of hip hop and how the cocaine and the crack. Mm. I'm from that shit. Because the way that people say, and Freeway Rick Ross, is they say that crack cocaine invented in Oakland. No, it was L.A., but then it came. They used cities like Oakland to kind of like test out the market.

To actually distribute it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how was that, like seeing the city coming from South Central, going to Oakland, and then you seeing it not having crack and then now crack has flowed. So first and foremost, I got to say, I never saw dope in my life. Let's make some noise for Choo Choo.

You know what I'm saying? You sold a lot of pussy. Yeah, yeah. But that being said, so before 85, before like 84, 85, you know, you remember that shit? It was like, a nigga can be like what I call nigga rich, man.

You might just, your hustle might. I like nigga rich. Your hustle might only, back then might have got you like three, four, five grand, but you had a car. You always had a Y with a rubber band. You was balling. And the crack changed that shit. I remember, I remember the crack did a few things, man. Because I heard Oakland was like, not Oakland,

but I mean that area was a great area. Yeah. Like prior to the drugs actually hit. Yeah, you could move around a little bit. It wasn't too fucking dangerous. And you knew Freeway Records? Later on. Later on. Okay, continue.

But it's the kind of place where you could, you had to get yourself in some trouble. If you did it, if you asked for it, you was going to get it to the first. Appropriately. But after the crack, you would notice like, and you know this shit too, it would be like little niggas. Little niggas that used to probably like couldn't fight too good and shit. And it wasn't like, no, these little niggas was respected. Now they got that money, that sack, and they got a couple of soldiers.

And they're like, this little nigga's a boss now? Like two. They got that money, that sack, and they got a couple soldiers and they're like, this little nigga's a boss now? Like, two, three years into it, like, this nigga's a kingpin and it just changed up. You know,

we didn't, before the crack, we didn't have handguns that could shoot 17 bullets. You know what I'm saying? At the most, you might get, shoot six shots

and the motherfucker, you know, tell you why you got shot. After the crack, you don't know why you got shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They was high as hell.

17, and that's as if it was a handgun. Right. After the crack, you don't know why you got shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They was high as hell. And they get you a 17, and that's as if it was a handgun. Do you believe the story that the CIA actually did that? It started, like... Well, that's a good version that it's true. Right.

But the bigger version now is the whole big story of the whole mass incarceration thing. Yeah. That the whole shit was a scam. It's a business. So, that is damn near like, we all this shit we call coke rap, we damn near like

we fell for the trap, you know? They sell dope in a spot called the trap. I mean, it says it all. So listen, I want to get into the Pippin thing because you know why I want to get into the Pippin thing? Because I don't give a fuck what any NYC nigga tell you.

We didn't know anything about no pimpin' until we heard you talking about it. When you heard you talking about it, then we seen Bishop Don Juan, we seen the players, players ball, we seen all that. Come on, he stopped the phone. But fuck it, leave the phone in there.

It's a great, it's a great. That's the pimpin' caller. That's the CIA calling us right now. So when was the first time you was introduced to pimping, and how did you realize that that was going to be your life? All right, well, my infatuation started with the movies of the 70s because they put it in there so much. Superfly.

And then, like I said, my cousins lived on 84th and Hoover. If you go to the other end of the block, you're on Figueroa, and that's where it goes down. But 84th and Hoover, that's in L.A.? That's in L.A. Okay, go ahead. So then when I get to Oakland, I see these niggas

riding around limousines with hoes, this nigga getting picked up in school from his hoes. And limousines like the Maybach. It was like the Maybach back then, yeah.

And then me and my little homie would go down to San Pablo where they used to sell pussy, and prior to crack, they looked like the fucking modeling runway and shit. The hoes were beautiful.

Prior to crack. Yeah, so. Prior to crack, go ahead. Yeah, so. Prior to crack. Yeah, because, you know, crack gave pimping and hoeing like this ugly ass image. A lot of pimps got smoked out. A lot of hoes got smoked out.

And then it was like, then we started saying shit like crack whores. Before that, your bitch had to be a superstar. And even to this day, I want to shout out some of my young pimping homies

right now. Yeah, shout them out. They pimping on some dying pieces that you would never think was a hoe. Shout them out, Sean. That bitch is not making $300 when she laid down.

She's bringing in a thousand. She's bringing in thousands. You know, there's some hoes out there on some major routes right now. So just to keep the pimping alive, don't get it twisted. Keep the pimping alive.

I keep popping my collar. I ain't gonna lie. Every time we talk, I keep popping my collar. These young niggas is not wearing suits and ties with matching shoes. They social media pimping.

They look like rappers. Right, right, right. And they're getting money. So I seen this shit, man. And I started diving a little more into it. My thing with rapping after I heard the message was

let's use the lingo of the streets, the new slang words that come out, the shit that's really happening. Like, let's talk about these streets. And then it just evolved into, you know, let's talk about these streets and then it just evolved into you know let's talk about this game and we just started like people just you you would rap

about shit and you would see what motherfuckers was interested in they wanted to hear that real shit right so somewhere down the line i had a i had a line in one of my songs i want to pass you the blunt i don't know if you smoke oh shit oh shit i'm smoking a blunt with Too Short. Make some noise! Roll another one, nigga. I was about to say that. I was about to say roll another one. All right, cool, cool, cool. My bad, I didn't know you smoked short.

At a young age, I was about 15, 16, I wrote this one line. It said, I had 16 hoes sucking 10 toes. And that, you can bet. Like, it was just a line. Right. And every time I said that in a song, motherfuckers laughed.

Right. So I sat down by myself and said, let me write a song about each of these 16 hoes and how I met them. And that was an early version of my song that came to be real popular called Freaky Tales. And I had a song about these 16 hoes, how I met them. I met this hoe. You know? Right. And it just started being more and more pimpin'.

I just started digging into the game. Mm-hmm. And you got out, you know, you got the Donald Goins books. You listen. You got, you know, Iceberg Slim. Iceberg Slim. The Story of My Life. Donald Goins.

Phil Moore Slim. Some of those books got some real game up in them. Real game. I read this book called Broad Players. It's not very popular, but that motherfucker is just big pimping. And it just come to me, man. You get these ideas as a writer. And I'm like, damn, that'd be

cold as fuck to just tell this pimping. I gotta tell you a story, short. One time I met Bishop Don Juan. He invited me to a joint. And then for a week I was pimping like just one week just one week right

just one week. He was a pimp or you was just pimping? Nah I swore I was pimping right so this white bitch come up to me and I said you bitch you gotta choose and she chose she chose me I ain't know what to do after that after that short can you can you

she chose me. I started learning the science of the who, what, where, and why. And the shit is like, it's like any other business, man. Right. Why is this woman going to sell her body and give you the money? Right. And, you know, you put yourself in sort of like a manager role. You kind of like her fucking therapist and shit, you know?

Right. Because the business is going to be crazy as hell. Yeah. You got to bring it back around every night. Because the bitch is going to be crazy as hell. Yeah. You got to bring her back around every night. Because a real pimp got to be real smart. Let's just keep it real, right? But then the main secret, I think, that I learned about pimping, the one that lets you go home and kick your ass back

while she's out there working, is she got to be whoring for a purpose. And you got to give her a purpose. Let's make some noise for whoring for a purpose. God damn it. Stop giving that pussy noise for whoring for a purpose. God damn it. Stop giving that pussy away for no reason. Go ahead. I mean, it's anything in life, man. If you're not

driven, if you're rapping and shit and you're not rapping for something, you're not really going for it. You're just on the corner freestyling and battling. I just always thought that like the pimps that didn't hit their hoes and didn't do their... I thought they were the best ones because in order for you

to control somebody with your mind and just talk to them, that is the illest psychological therapist, craziest shit. So how about those pimps? Well, you know, the pimps who... I call that like finesse pimping. Well, you could just, you know...

Let's make some noise for finesse pimping. I like that. I like that. And then the other guy who got to beat the girl and scare the shit out of her, they call that Gorilla Pimpin'. Gorilla Pimpin'. I heard about that. And, you know, the Finesse Pimps, they kind of laugh at the Gorilla Pimps.

It's kind of like they look at it like the nigga's not as smart as me and he don't got as much game as me. But it works both ways. You want to pimp the whole lot of fear. I personally don't think that that's even necessary, but there's a lot of niggas that's mean-natured like that to just dog the bitch out and just run a house full of fear. But, you know, either way, you're getting the money, man.

Because your record label was always in, you were signing a job for like 12. Nah, shit, like maybe 12, 13, 14 hours. 12, 13 years. But was you the only one for the West on-drive? No, it was me, E-40, Spice One. Oh, damn. Because I know them tours was crazy back then.

But you was the first official rapper from Oakland. No doubt about it. From the whole fucking Bay Area. Make some noise for that, god damn it. No shit. And it has really nothing to do with my L.A. upbringing either. It's that I just got to Oakland. It all just happened after I got there.

I decided I could do this rap shit, and I just did it. And just, you know, even bigger than being the first rapper up out of the bay, bigger than that is being a pioneer of the whole music scene. Because you can be the first rapper and not pioneer shit. Right, right. But we brought in that independent. Yeah, you in that independent game put your motherfucking records out you know and like I said it was a cuz didn't job came and got you how did that happen we first got sign a job well I came in the game through uh do some some street guys

okay particularly a guy named Dean Hodges. That's big of Dean Hodges. Make some noise for Dean Hodges. He's seen you. His little brother was the homie. We used to smoke weed, hang out and shit. He was just the homie. We used to fuck around and like, his little brother rapped. But he wasn't really that quality where that you ever thought he was going to get on. He was just like for the fun of it. They were in the projects, rapping and shit, kicking it.

So he was like, man, my brother got a record label. I'm like, okay. He's like, I'm going to take you up by his house. Now,

I knew his brother not for having a record label. The nigga had the sack. And if you want to get a visual of Dean, back then, Dean kind of, you know,

a nigga with the curlers in his hair, the color, green or whatever color. Well, I was on the East Coast. Every time they had the curlers in the hair,

we thought y'all niggas was killers. We thought, go ahead. So picture curlers in the head, we thought y'all niggas was killers. We thought, go ahead. So picture that nigga looking like a, he was kind of like a Jimi Hendrix, Rick James looking nigga, dressed like a rock star.

Let's make some noise for him. Go ahead. Hey man, I got so much game. Dean taught me how to be a player. This nigga was a player. This nigga was a player, for real. I mean, real player. Sitting in his house,

I'm fresh out of high school, this nigga run hoes in and out all day. All day. He got the sack, and he's just a rock star in the hood. And he's just house on the hill, balling. And the nigga had a label. And his whole label consisted of him having the money, having the drug. Everybody wanted the cocaine.

He'd sit out there. You go to Dean's house. It's a platter of cocaine right there. Platter? It's a bitch. It's a bitch over there maybe in her panties and bra cooking up some coke for whoever wants to smoke it. It's a box of weed.

Just roll a joint. Don't ask. Just roll the motherfucking. And you know, it was a colorful environment, man. Dean was the kind of nigga that watched Sanford and Son reruns all day and just bitches sit around in their panties. I'm not going to was the kind of nigga that watched Sanford and Son reruns all day and just bitches sit around in their panties. I'm not gonna lie. When you describe that scene,

I immediately think of Menace's aside. It looked like some shit like that. Except on a way higher level, this nigga was not selling rocks. This was not a rock house.

He pin man. You had to come up in there with some money if you know what I mean. So Dean got all these professionals together. Musicians. They played all instruments. Niggas that had been in different bands with, because Oakland got a lot of music history, so these

niggas would play with Tower of Power and Larry Graham and Rick James and all kind of motherfuckers. It was professionalism. And he put me in the studio with these niggas. These were like older cats. He even had some rock and roll dudes around. It was a great environment to become Too Short. It doesn't sound really healthy, but it was a great environment to develop the character Too Short.

I don't like the backwoods. We used to go to the studio. Session started at 11 p.m. Ended at 6 a.m. And it was just like college for me. Right. You know what I'm saying? But the main thing was the nigga was really running an independent label.

Right. And he was really going to the studio. And he's the one who took you to John? Yeah. Nope, nope, nope. He was the one that just taught me this shit. Oh, okay. So we go to the studio.

We get the shit mixed down. We go to this other motherfucker. We get cassettes and wax pressed up. We go to this other motherfucker, and he sells the shit to multiple record stores. And then we drive up to individual record stores and just carry the shit in and sell it to them. Because it's true, like, y'all invented independent hustling. The Bay is known for that.

So how I got lucky was one day, I'm 100% with Dean. This nigga, you know, the nigga that taught you the game. You're looking up to him, this nigga's 1985. This nigga's driving an 85 Benz. He's the nigga. So, you know know I'm like what we doing next and then one day

Dean was like about two years into it he was like man to me and his little brother I need you niggas to get the fuck out of my house whoa

because y'all was living in this crib yeah fuck this music shit just get the fuck away don't come around no more got it but we like family

his mama's like my mama his cousin's like my cousin we ain't going too far right up the street. But still now, he was like, I don't want no more parts of it. So that, all we had to do now was, we've been running with Dean for two years. Right. To the motherfucking studio. To the manufacturer.

To the nigga that did the artwork. To the motherfucking distributor. Picking up the check. We right there with him. What do we do? We do the shit without him. Nigga, we made so much motherfucking money. And that's how you initially started.

That's how Jive found me. And then Jive came to you from there. Yeah, we didn't give a fuck about the signing bonus or nothing. We just like, you're going to give us national distribution? Let's look it up. That's what we're looking for. Right. You know?

In New York, it was the exact opposite. Can I get some of that wine? Why? Yeah, you'll be trying to get a deal, right? We'll be trying to get a deal, right? We'll be trying to get a deal first. But we heard that Richmond, California, you guys in Oakland, you guys in, like, y'all was actually, like, when you said selling out the trunk, we meant that as selling it to Fat Beats. We wasn't selling out, I'm going to keep it honest with you.

We wasn't selling out the trunk. Y'all was literally... We had boxes in the back of the motherfucking... Selling out the motherfucking trunk. It wasn't no trunk. It was actually a fucking truck. Right. A truck. An actual truck. Yeah. Wow. Excuse me, man. Same thing with

Master P, man. Master P was in the Bay. He was in the Bay. He was in the Bay. Was his family, they own like record stores or something? He owned a record store in Richmond. Master P was from New Orleans, came out to the Bay. The ice cream man. And he started making them fucking West Coast,

down South compilations and shit. And then he blew the fuck up and set up shop down in Baton Rouge. He toured the park as well. Master P was in the Bay soaking up that independent game. So y'all taught us the independency shit. Like every time we... It was just a no option thing though, man. If I had a fucking Tommy Boy and motherfucking goddamn Profile Records was up the street, I would have been up there talking about hooking me the fuck up.

But we didn't have it. So you guys had to always look at New York people like, Damn, y'all lazy. How the hell y'all don't got a deal when y'all in the city? I had a rap partner before like 85. My rap partner got caught up in the crack game. Okay, we never heard this. Let's make some noise for Too Short for giving us the exclusive story.

Freddie B. His name's Freddie B. Come on, come on. Get out of here. My nigga Freddie B. We was popping. It was Freddie B and Too Short. That nigga was an Oakland nigga born and bred. new niggas on every side of town. He was like the plug for me on just walking them streets.

But yeah, before that, though, the weed is working. No, no, no. I ain't going to lie to you. I did song with you back in the days. But for you to sit down And sit down And chill Cause you know

What this is It's about Letting legends Live again You know what I'm saying This is what the Drink Trap podcast Is about

And for you to just Sit down And you not to deny me Pass you the weed I am very fucking happy My brother Think I am smoking a blunt With Too Short

While we interviewing Too Short Make we interviewing Too Short. Make some fucking noise! This is a serious legend. Go ahead. We like 1983, 84, me and Freddie B. We talking about,

all right, this is what we gonna do. All right. We gonna get two Greyhound tickets. We wrote down a list every motherfucking 12 inch that came out, every single that dropped out of New York. Wow. All the different labels we wrote down the list. Every motherfucking 12-inch that came out, every single that dropped out of New York,

all the different labels, we wrote down an address to the motherfucking label. We're like, we're going to fucking Greyhound. We're going to these fucking addresses. We're going to get us a record out. That was the option. You know what I'm saying? Listen, all you new niggas need to listen to what he just said. Say, yo, oh my god.

Can't continue. Please. That's a crazy story. These guys just throw it on the internet and just hope Kevin Lyles my God. Can't continue. Please. That's a crazy story. These guys just throw it on the internet and just hope Kevin Lyles call them. Can't continue. Yeah, but, you know, we had plans, man. Like, it was like options and shit. And then we got a whiff of that independent game. And that shit just happened.

Like, Dean showed me how to do it. I always give credit to him for it. And what I did, when I got it, I passed it on to one of my homies. Okay, the dude who came back around. After I quit fucking with Dean, I still needed somebody to come with some money to make the dream come true. I knew how to do it, but I didn't have the money no more. So my man Ted Bohannon, him and Big Ted, Little Ted, they got a little rep in the streets of Oakland people know who that is they

they came through put a nigga back in the game with the you know studio time and being able to press up the shit and all that shit

and we just kinda we blew up from there man we went to the next motherfucking level with just I'm just every every

I think it was like every 15 racks would make me like 60 or some shit like that every 15 racks you spend will make you 60 drug dealers listen to this pay attention and it was clear legit money and we kept flipping it so many times like we just kept on getting

this is when you're just indie though? we go buy 15,000 cassettes and sell them for 60 racks. Did that give you the upper hand, though, when a jive came knocking? Yeah, but all we wanted from jive was distribution. The way we did the shit, we just wanted... So you had a different deal, though, compared to someone in New York that was signing the jive? Right, because if we was in New York... Tell the truth, we thought we did.

In the long run, them motherfuckers are slick, man. Because that's what I'm wondering. We thought we had some shit, and we had the bullshit, too. But it we did. In the long run, them motherfuckers are slick, man. Because that's what I'm wondering. We thought we had some shit and we had to bullshit too, but it's cool. We made a lot of money. And how long you been in the job? How many years? I was on that motherfucker from 88 until like

goddamn 2008. It was a long time. Let's make some noise for him getting money a long time. Woo! A lot of motherfucking albums, though. A lot of motherfucking. But you did have fun on Jive, right?

Let me tell you what's funny, though. So I rapped a long time before I got a deal. I did a lot of shit before I got a deal. I got a deal in 88, and I had been rapping like seven, eight years already. So I had all these rap songs that I put out in the streets that people knew and loved. When I signed to Jive, they shot me the check. The albums went nationwide. Checks came back, you know, the royalties and shit.

They shot the next up front. I'm like, nigga. Like, you know, we was getting money. Grinding and hustling. I was like, nigga, these niggas going to keep sending me hundreds of thousands if I make songs. Nigga. I went back until I had a box. I didn't have a rap book. I was like, nigga, these niggas gonna keep sending me hundreds of thousands if I make songs. Nigga. I went back until I had a box. I didn't have a rap book. I had a box

full of raps. I had been writing them for years and just little tapes in the street. I went in that box and recycled every motherfucking line in there. I would just scratch out the line if I use it. I was using them old raps for the next eight years. The shit I wrote for eight years prior, I used for eight years in my deal.

I put out an album probably every nine months. And now, what would you consider yourself? More of a rapper or more of a CEO and a hustler? What would you consider yourself? Well, as far as rap goes, I think I'm a real, real major hip-hop fan. Right. And I always put myself outside the circle of what I'm calling hip-hop. Niggas who's like,

ooh, that nigga spit them bars. You know that shit like, ooh, you heard that? The ooh shit? I was strictly just pounding in the trunk, talking shit. And I could've taught a lot of niggas, no matter what the integrity of you as a man, I could've taught you how to talk that shit and make that

shit pound, and you would've had a million fans like me. Like, it just was, you talk shit. I listen to your shit. Yeah, I talk shit. I talk shit. Yeah, I talk shit. I'm saying shit talking versus spitting bars and all this shit and being a rapper. But CEO, man, I look at it like we hustlers, man, because we start a company and we don't

say, you my boss. And that's like, nigga, we hustling to get this money. Hustling. Do fucking something. We didn't drop niggas off on the way. Because we hustling and getting money. There's a lot of money coming in. And niggas like, call me when y'all going to lunch.

You know, like, nigga, we up at 7 in the morning pressing up shit and picking up shit and moving shit around, nigga. And we partied all last night. But we up in the morning grinding, getting this shit to where we can get these checks back. I always thought about bank deposits. Damn. I wish you would have been my accountant. You need to be making more money than you. Yeah, you got to take that shit in the bank. I need to go put that shit in the bank.

Yeah, I was putting that shit under my mattress. I'm a foul nigga. Too short. Don't make no noise for me. Don't make no noise for me. I'm like, how the fuck can we get to the bank and put money in? Uh-huh. So we grinding, man. Like, we grinding. Niggas just don't have that same like-minded philosophy. We was dropping them off on the way. The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.

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The Hughes Brothers are really, real big Bay Area hip-hop fans. Oh, wow. And they're from Pomona, somewhere in L.A. They love Bay Raptor. This is what they told me. And Tupac had just fucked off his part in the movie by beating one of the Hughes brothers up. Yeah, I heard about that. Let's make some noise to Tupac for beating him up. He was supposed to beat him up.

So, Pac was off the movie. And if you notice, there's not a lot of star power. But Pac didn't have your role. No, no, no. He was Tate's role, I think. Nope, nope. He didn't. He had the Muslim dude.

The Muslim dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Muslim dude. So they needed a little star power, and they strictly just brought me in so that they could have somebody name-branding that motherfucker. And they just happened to be major Too Short fans. If you notice, they came and got me for their next little documentary movie.

What was it called? American Pimp? Oh, yeah. That's right. It let me sit a few words. But you were pimp, though. You were supposed to be in there. Go ahead.

So it was just a matter of that, man. I came in there and worked for a few days and kicked it. Menace to Society is a cold-ass movie. No, it's cold. It's just dope. You had the coldest role in there. Yeah, they let a nigga, you know. No, that was a cold role. I'm the only nigga that in there. Yeah, they let a nigga, you know.

No, that was a cold roll. I'm the only nigga that pulled the strap on no dog. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Let's make some noise for him pulling the strap on no dog. That's a fact. Yo, yo, that's, I mean, for us, especially us from New York, you know, when we see Jew, when we see N.W.A., when we seen Men in Society, Boys in the Hood, that's when we actually realized y'all culture

because we knew that hip-hop, I think Carmen had made a record, I Love Her, and, but when it went over there, yeah, I used to love her, but when it went over there, y'all was so different, and for me, everything was about buildings, everything was about buildings.

Everything was about, like, what I see in their face. The lifestyle, the culture. And y'all chopped it up. And this was the craziest thing, to see you guys in y'all element. You know what I'm saying? But the crazy thing is, you was from South Central, and then you went up North, North Cal. So you call it up North. See, in North Cali, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. See, two different planets, man. North Cal and SoCal, two different worlds. Two different worlds. Even gang-wise, the Mexican gangs, they divide themselves. The slang words, the dress code. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I'm Mexican. And you could adapt to both worlds still. I mean, to this day. To this day, you can still adapt. I'm not going to lie. I had a promoter hit me one time and it was a lady.

It was like, you went too short. It's the easiest people to handle. And I was like, why is that? It was like, you don't ask for hair

and makeup. You're just on the land and just... We missed the diva shit. We go on that. High five. High five. Too short.

High five. Yeah. I'm like, what's the pickup? We'll take that. You got like, what's the pickup? Right, right, yeah. We'll take that.

You got the issue? Where the mic at? Right, right, right. How many mics you need? One. So,

but after minutes, how did your life change? Because that had to be the biggest music, movie at that time. Man, I ain't gonna lie, man.

What I had going on at that moment was bigger than that movie. My shit was platinum, platinum, platinum. Oh, okay. That movie was like some side shit. That was a side hustle.

That was a slide hustle. I was already popping. The movie came out, it hit hard. It was one of the ones that kind of like Purple Rain kind of movie where it kind of lasted and lasted. Yeah, it lasted and lasted. It still lasted. And you watch it right now on TV or unedited. It's the shit.

It's a good movie. The boys made a good movie. But, you know, man, that whole New York, West Coast thing, I used to go to New York. What you're telling me now, like, I used to go to New York, and I know for a fact it wasn't really about the music. Because motherfuckers are like, man, I really didn't hear too much shit you did. But they'd be like, man, respect, son, respect, kid. Like, it would be. And it was, you know.

Because back then, it was a nationalized. It's like, if you the man, you the man in your hood. So I asked my New Yorkers, I'm like, what does that mean

if they keep saying respect? They's like, man, they showing you love. Like, it's just saying, you know, shit. That's a big deal if a New Yorker says to you, respect.

So I was like, okay, cool. But it wasn't about the music. Right. And, you know, I kind of, I kind of, you know, I started hanging out in New York a little bit, man.

Right. After a while. We love you in New York. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, but you know. Blow the whistle. Woo! Woo!

Blow the whistle. Come on, blow the whistle. You think you're going to blow the whistle? All right, go ahead. I started getting in them studios, though, in New York. Moving around and shit. Battery. I've been on three Jay-Z albums, two big albums.

We was going there. We was going there. I was up in there. I was up in there. We was going there. So how did that first feel? Like, you know, Jay wanted to mess with you. You're all the way on the other side of the coast, and he wanted to do it right.

I got the B.I.G. blessing. B.I.G. just, he was what? Because you worked with Big before Jay? Or did you work with Jay? No, Big first. Big first, okay. He told me this shit, B.I.G. just, he was, you know. Because you worked with Big before, Jay? Or did you work with Jay? No, Big first. Big first, okay. He told me this shit, man. He told me this shit.

The first time I met him, he called me over to a limo. We was at the OutKast picnic in Atlanta. His limos was popping back then. I keep saying limos. Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, a limo right now would be fucked up. Nigga, you pull up in a limo, nigga, ain't nobody. Niggas are like, who's fucking Bob Dylan pulling up right now?

Like, yeah, yeah. But back then, I understand, limos was that shit. The nigga called me over to the limo, and he, you know, rolled the window down,

I walk, I lean over, and it's a friendly event, outdoor, you know, this mansion and shit on the front lawn, the back lawn, all around the house and shit. Right.

And he called me over and he just said, yo, yo, you got love in Brooklyn. That's all he said. He talked about big, right? Yeah, I was like, what's up? So then a couple years later, nigga's a super mega star.

But hold on, because I want you to continue your story, but did you know how much New York loved you? Because New York loved you. That's what I'm getting at. It was a gradual understanding. I wasn't getting it for a minute. Oh, okay.

So he told me that shit, and for a minute. Oh, okay. He told me that shit, and then a couple years later, we were sitting on a tour bus, we were smoking some weed. He was like, yo, remember that time you came over to the limo and you got love in Brooklyn? He said, that was me. I'm like, damn! Oh, so he wasn't biggie when he told you that? He probably already had his deal and shit.

He was at the celeb party, but he wasn't a celeb. Wow. Let's make some noise for Tushar celeb party, but he wasn't a celeb. Let's make some noise for Tushar breaking the story, Rob. Oh, that's crazy. So you met Big before he was big, and he told you you had love in Brooklyn, and then you seen him later. So then later on, we started being homies and shit. We making songs.

We did that, the world is filled with pimps and hoes. So we homies now. Tushar, you keep making me pop my collar. The whole episode, I'm going to The whole episode Your shirt's all fucked up My shirt My shirt My shirt has never been right I've been like this

And now I'm hyphing Cause You know I go out there recently I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm a ghost rider We got everything

You know Big We just became friends man And he He told me about how How New Yorkers For the most part Wasn't really Feeling like listening To any other hip hop Outside New Yorkers, for the most part, wasn't really feeling like listening to any other hip-hop outside New York.

And he's like, man, I've been listening to everything, though. He was naming shit. He listened to all down south shit. And he was like, I like shit. So he was one of them cats who was open without any kind of bias. And he wanted to work. He was like, let's do a song. And the way I did the song with him, he sent Puffy

to come get me. You know, Puffy's the you can't say no kind of nigga. So Puffy's like, man, yo, Big wants you on a song.

I've never been able to say no to Puffy. Still to this day. That nigga's like, people think he's some kind of soft nigga. That nigga's a bully, man. Yeah, he's a bully.

He's a bully. For real. Now, this is a funny story that Big came to the Oakland and I think somebody took his chain. I ain't heard that one. You ain't heard that one?

You ain't heard that one? I heard E-40 helped that out. You ain't heard that one? You know what? I moved to Atlanta. Okay. Let's talk about the Atlanta movement. E-40 was like E-40 took the road.

I think you were responsible from Atlanta being a pimping country. Let's make some noise for that. And Eric Sermon was in Atlanta. Y'all make some noise for that. Wait, what? Wait, what? Eric Sermon. Eric Sermon moved to Atlanta. They started making a lot for that. was in Atlanta. Wait, what? Eric Sermon. Eric Sermon moved to Atlanta

and they started making a lot of music. You moved to Atlanta early. What year did you move to Atlanta? 93. 93. Is that why they got strip clubs in Atlanta?

I did not move there. I didn't move to Atlanta for the music industry. I moved to that motherfucker for the property. The culture and shit. I was down there. It was like easy math.

It was real estate was like one-fourth of what California is. Motherfucking table dancers at the strip club was $5. $5. How much were they in California at that time? The ratio of women and men was like 20 to 1.

It was going down. So you was the first person to crack this out. Let's make some the first person to crack this out. Let's make some noise for him to crack this out. Come on, one more. You know who beat me? Who beat you? It was some niggas that beat me.

Eric Simon showed up a little bit before me. Bobby Brown was acting ass. Not Bobby Brown, Bob Brown. He was acting ass. Bob Brown was fucking everything. He was in that motherfucker. He was fucking everything. It was his prerogative.

It was his prerogative, man. He was fucking everything. It was his prerogative. It was his prerogative, man. He was fucking everything. I ain't going to lie. Everywhere. I was a little nigga seeing Bobby Brown. Whoever I was with, I was like, you're going to fuck him tonight. Yeah, go ahead, boy. I'm sorry.

Go ahead. Yeah, so Dallas Austin was starting his shit. He was involved with the whole TLC come up. L.A. Reid was already. And did he have the glove on when you met him? Dallas Austin? No. Not the glove.

I don't know. He was wearing gloves with spikes and shit. He's a little different. He was rock and roll Dallas back in the day. He was a rock star. He's a rock star. He's a rock star. That's what I was trying to establish.

You know he's an OG. He helped me out. Thank you. L.A. Reid was who he is. He was all of that. LaFace was there. He had Tony Braxton. He had already been platinum. He had like all of that. LaFace was there. He had Tony Braxton. He had already been platinum.

He had like artist Tony Terry. LaFace was established. And then there was no Outkast. There wasn't no Goody Mob. There wasn't, you know, Criss Cross probably had like, you know, single or some shit, the new shit.

They were still jumping around and shit. So I got there right when it started. Gucci crew, I think, only. I got, you know, his tag team was balling. Are we talking LaFace? Are we talking LaFace? Are we talking LaFace? LaFace Records.

Yeah. You heard that just now? He was at LaFace Records. They never offered me shit. Let's just make some noise for Too Short for raping the industry. Come on. Come on. Salute us.

Go ahead. I mean, I was just there for Young Atlanta. You know, the architecture, the foundation, what it came to be. So you're coming from Oakland? You're born in South Central, moved to Oakland, and now you're in Atlanta. And then I eyeball Atlanta. I'm at the Freak Neck. Like, what?

I come back to Jack. Did you realize that this was going to be the music scene, or you was just out there? I had already been touring out there, doing concerts and shit, and then we go to Magic City and fuck around. I knew the lifestyle. Now, Magic City is where Players Club is based on? Could be. That type of vibe. It could be.

It could be. It could be. What did you feel like when you seen the Players Club? Was that true to you, or was that? To the lifestyle I was living, Cube is my nigga. But to the lifestyle I was living, that was a very watered-down strip club experience in that movie. I've never really seen a movie to give you that real fucking strip club feeling. So we're going to make the movie.

It's an opportunity. Drink Champs. We're going to make the movie together. I've never seen a movie capture that. The real strip club experience. Yeah. And now, are you saying in the Bay Area? No, I'm talking about

Anywhere It's so whack on the West Coast I don't even fuck with Strip clubs on the West Coast Don't forget Miami man We got it here man We got it Yeah nah I ain't gonna lie

Miami If you ain't doing it Like Miami or Atlanta Miami and Atlanta Cities like Dallas If the bitch don't get butt naked Then you can have a fucking drink In the same building

It's bullshit Let's make some noise For too short and ordinary About the real strip club. It's bullshit. That's a real strip club right there. I tell my niggas in New York all the time.

He said no pasties, no pasties. I tell my niggas in New York all the time. We go to Sue's Wine Day Boos and I'm like, that's not really real. No pasties. Like, nah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's a strip club in L.A. where the bitch, the bitch wear three pairs of panties. Wait, wait, wait, wait. She barely get topless for a minute. She keep poking her titty out and then every time the bitch pull her panties back there's another pair of panties under it I'm not gonna lie if I was in a hotel that would work for me

but in a strip club it wouldn't I'm in Atlanta man I'm getting there and you know before I move there and you like you get a dance right she comes you say can I get a dance and you say let me see that pussy so before you you get a dance, right? She calls you and say, can I get a dance? And you say, let me see that pussy. In Atlanta.

So before you even get the dance, you're like, let me just see what I'm getting into. And then you go, oh, yeah, I want to dance. Based on if you like what you see. You ain't doing that at no, you know, them other joints. Right. You know, sometimes they call them strip clubs. They shouldn't call them naked clubs because girls don't even strip. They don't even wear nothing.

They don't even call it a bikini club. But some clubs, they walk around butt-ass naked. You don't even wear nothing. She called it a bikini club. But some clubs, they walk around butt-ass naked. She don't even have a top or bottom. She's just walking around already naked. I'm not going to lie. I thought I was a pimp for a week. It didn't work out for me. It wasn't built for me.

I just couldn't do it. I got compassion. I don't know. Because to be a pimp, you can't have nothing. You can't have no like. You know, I really feel like I could be a I don't know. Because to be a pimp, you can't have nothing. You can't have no like... You know, I really feel like I could be a really good pimp,

but I got this other good-ass job called rapping. Mmm, high five. High five. You pimping the rap game. High five. Let's make some noise for short pimping the rap game.

God damn it. God damn it. Come on. Yeah. Every time you dabble in some pimping and this is getting a few Gs,

you're getting some Gs and bringing them. Like, bitch, you just did all this stressing me the fuck out. Right. And that wasn't nothing but two shows to me. Because they can't touch the money. They're supposed to bring the money back.

That's a real pimp, right? So your bitch have a good month. You get a walking around bitch. You get like 15, 20 racks out of the bitch in a month. Nigga, that's a few shows. That's a couple shows. That's nothing like it. Yeah, that's a fact. And she's going to stress you the fuck out for 30 days.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're like, man, keep that shit. You're right. You're right. I'm going to go do a show. You might dig sucked after. So how does it feel?

Stress free. Because you did a song with Jay-Z and Biggie Smalls. And he did multiple songs. And Pac. Yeah. And Snoop. And Scarface. And Sno Yeah. And Snoop. And Scarface.

And Snoop. That's something I'm really proud of in a career. Super, super, super OG. In a career, I am the thought that all those guys are going to be legends. No, they are legends. They are all on their way, one or the other. But when we're all gone, I just want to be in that. Not too many people have that repertoire.

And Bone Thugs, too, right? Did we do a song? I mean, I just made songs. I don't even know. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, nah, I ain't going to lie. Them the homies, though. If we did or didn't, them my niggas.

I just told you I did a song on your album. You ain't even remember. He was sitting there like, word. Come on, nigga. You did so much song. You're a legend. You're a legend. We got a banging ass song

Yeah yeah Nah nah I'm trying to think of that one What the fuck was the hook I'll pull that shit Up my phone right now We believe you short After the sounds

We're going to check it out Yeah yeah After the sounds That's his job That's his job But short man How about you Like um

All these years How do you maintain Your love for hip-hop? How does that happen? Because I like that new shit. I ain't going to lie. You like the new stuff. I like what happens.

And I'm not talking about the new right now. I'm talking about every time the new shit happens. Every time it changes. Because when you the nigga, it's like sports. It's like the fucking hood. When you the nigga and that next nigga come up like the super stud and start getting a little more attention than you, you start feeling that kind of way. Are you still for the same vibe?

No, I'm for that nigga, though. I'm like, nigga. Oh, you for the, okay, okay. I'm that nigga who's getting money. Right. Who, if I see a young nigga getting it, I'm like, nigga, get it, nigga. Look, that's real, man. Did you understand what he just said?

Let's make some noise for that guy. Oh, nigga. Let's make some noise. Everybody. Camera guys, everybody. That's real, short. Because I'm promoting that shit. Let's make some noise for that guy. Oh, man. Everybody. Camera guys. Everybody. That's real, Sean. Because I'm promoting that shit. Let's all get it. Let's get it. You know what I'm saying? And then when you get it,

you're wrong if you don't pass it on. It's all work. You're wrong if you don't share it in some kind of way. Don't give it away, but teach the next nigga how to get it, too. You always had fun with the game. Like, every time I seen you, I don't care where I see you at,

you're walking through, you're looking good. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's other people who don't do that. And you know what happens? Those blessings, they come around, man. They come back around. There's been a time in my life

where shit was fucked up. That's some fucked up shit. And then somebody who I showed that love to was like, what's wrong? Bam. You know? And instantly, for the love. And how about my man, what's wrong? Bam. You know, and instantly, for the love.

And how about my man, Mr. Fab? You mess with Mr. Fab? That's my dude right there. That's like my son. That's my guy. Oh, man, let's make some noise

for Mr. Fab being too short, son. Goddamn it. Goddamn it. We just saw him in South by Southwest with cows. Oh, yeah.

Little McHale, yeah. So that 30 years of rapping. And cows. And cows. That's my nigga. Yeah, yeah, that's my nigga. That's my brother. 30 years of rapping. yeah cows that's my nigga yeah yeah that's my nigga that's my brother 30 years of rapping uh-huh i'm like we get we get money other ways we can do this shit with or without the microphone we can get down right but you still enjoy what you do fab came to me and uh and was like man you've been rapping 30 years you got to make an album so i'm

doing an album called a 30th anniversary and and my man came in and he kind of A&R'd my album for me. Just kind of like It's a beautiful thing. A whole bunch of shit. We doing the hooks and shit and just like put a nigga in shape.

Like you know you get a nigga in shape. Right, right. Got a nigga in shape for a good ass album. So I'm an old ass nigga. I just turned 50 like last Thursday.

Nah man, let's make some noise for the turn of 50 god damn it. Yeah nigga. Make some noise. High five, high five. A nigga hit motherfucking 50. We had KRS-One here and he had an AARP car. Is this correct? God damn it. Yeah, nigga. Chris, what's up? High five. High five, short. And look at him, motherfucker. 50?

We had KRS-One here, and he had an AARP car. Is this correct? Yeah. Yeah. Him and Sonny shared the same number. Him and Sonny had an AARP car. And you know what? Chris might be my age.

Yeah, I think he definitely said he's 50. Yeah, okay. He definitely said he's 50. It ain't nothing wrong. But you know what's crazy, short? You look young You doing young shit And you still have the love

For it Like I can look at you When I ask you these questions Yeah You really still love hip hop No it's the hustle I'm about to get on the mic And rap in front of a crowd

Tonight It ain't shit Tonight I grabbed the mic And lived last night Fuck that Did I God damn it

And lived We should have went to live I ain't gonna lie I was so tired last night. Fuck that. Oh. Did I? God damn it. And Live. We should have went to Live. I ain't going to lie. I was so tired last night. We had a long week. We had a long. I wish I knew you was there. So you never lost your love for hip hop?

Not once? Not for rap? No, no, no. Because you could be lean with it, rock with it. Niggas was like that. Okay, look. You got a bunch of motherfuckers that like this new weird shit. That's what you're saying.

That's what you're saying. This shit is weird. All these motherfuckers like it. I try to get around and figure out what is it that they like. It must be the infectious beat. It must be the catchy hook. It must be the way they make you dance.

There's something good about it. So I'm like, oh, I get it. I try to get it. Like, why is you niggas dressing all weird? Oh, I get it. You know what I'm saying? If it makes why is you niggas dressing all weird? Oh, I get it. I get it. If it makes sense. Well, why are they dressing all weird?

I don't get that part. Because they don't want to be like us. You got to do something different. It's like rebellious kids. In their defense, when you look at the first pictures of hip-hop, the first pictures of hip-hop is terrible. Yeah, they was dressing wild. But guess what though

These little niggas That we calling weird right now The niggas is trying to look Like the 80s Yeah That's what I'm saying 80s, 90s That's exactly what I'm saying

With the gold and shit So with that being said And you being a pimp You being a real nigga I've never heard Too short in a controversy Other than when you ran From police

That was crazy What happened when you ran From police Let's talk about that I was in L.A. I had an apartment right across the street. From right here? From where I was running.

Oh, it was right there. From sidebar. I was like, damn, you had an apartment here. Shout out to Rob. I was about to dip up in the spot. It's nothing that ain't been done before. Logically and shit. But you're too short.

You got to be careful. I'm just saying, man. It was crazy. We walked in line, bro. We walked in line. I talked to that brother. I was like, man, I did all the tests,

all this shit. I wasn't even fucking drunk. I was like, it had been, it was 3.30. The drinking had stopped a while ago. I wasn't going to walk

these bitches to their car. Okay. Because the bitches shit is for real. Let's make some noise, man. Keeping it for real with the bitches. Come on, come on. I feel okay calling these bitches bitches because after I got in all that trouble,

they never called back once and said, are you okay? Are you okay? It was just some bitches I met that night. Walked these bitches to the car. I said, no, you know what? I live right over there. It's like about a block and a half.

Right. I said, I'm going to drive you all over there. It's 3.30 in the morning. Y'all been hanging out in my spot. I'm going to drive you all over there. It's like about a block and a half. Right. I said, I'm going to drive y'all over there. It's 3.30 in the morning. Y'all been hanging out in my spot. I'm going to drive y'all over there. Uh-huh. Drove him over there, hit a little U-turn to come back. Nigga turned the light on me.

He made me do all this shit. And you know, the nigga who saw the video, the TMZ, was like one of the security dudes from the club I was at that night. Oh, shit. It was all right there in the neighborhood. That was like a supper club I went to that night. Tuesday night. I'm like, even that nigga, I heard the nigga sold the video for like 500. They was like, supper club I went to that night. Tuesday night. I'm like, even that nigga,

I heard the nigga sold the video for like 500. They was like, we would've gave him 5,000. That bullshit nigga out there. But it was some good press though.

I do like the good press that you get when you get to that type of social media. Is that the first time you realized the power of the internet or you been new

to the power of the internet? That was the first time I realized I was in my 40s. Why? Because you couldn't get a rate when you ran? Makes no sense. Makes no sense.

I talked to this nigga, man. I talked to this nigga. I showed the nigga the bill and I said, dude, I live right there. I said, you got my car.

I said, I'll leave this motherfucker here. Whatever, man. I live right there. You know, he's like, you got to blow for me. I'm like, man, I told the nigga, I said, man, I, man. I live right there. You know, he's like, you got to blow for me. I'm like, man.

I told the nigga. I said, man, I might not. I was drinking earlier. I told the whole story. I'm like, this nigga fucking right there. A lot of times a cop be like, all right, man. Just leave the car here. Go home.

This nigga's like, you got to blow. I was like, is that my only option? That was the last thing I asked him. Did you deny it? I mean, honestly, that's one of the ones I regret because I had on some Converse, Low Cut. Oh, the Chuck Taylors? Yeah, the Chuck Taylors.

Oh, yeah, you can't run in those. And I was just mad because I was like... Those are like the Kanye West news sneakers. You can't get away. You're running those. It's over for you. I think I had another bra still at the spot. I'm like, I got to get back. It ain't over. So this is real deal. It ain't over. There's shit going on.

So this is real deal. You really have bras. Like, every city you go, you have bras? Or you stop that? That's over. I'm going to tell you like this. At this stage in the game, I'm not trying to be a young short dog anymore. I'm not doing this shit.

I used to go, when I go out, I'd call a few homies, hang out with a lot of chicks. I had like eight, ten, we'd go out. That was my normal. I might do some shit like that tonight, but really. Tonight? Yeah, I'm in Miami. So you want me to hang with you tonight? I want to just see how it goes down.

I'm in Miami, so I'm really not the one. You've been doing this in Miami for a long time. But I'm not coordinating the chicks. It's like Miami is like, you know, the girls, they do it. Oh, you've got the girls who coordinate the girls. Yeah, they just. Let's make some high five. High five.

High five for that. Let's make some noise for that guy. Come on. He sure still is. What I'm saying is back in the day, I would literally get in my phone and call like these two, those two, those two to meet me. I did that shit up until about three, four years ago. I kind of just like chilled it out a little bit. Now I might go out

with like two or three. Why? And just, you know, another secret to what I do is a lot of guys, they try to fuck all the women. I just try to hang out with them, man. Just hang out, be cool.

You know, shit happens, shit happens. We cool. Right, right. That's a secret weapon for you. We got to tell Charlie Skins. He doesn't know that. We got to tell Charlie Skins.

He doesn't know that secret. Who else we got to tell? Sonny D,B.D. All the horny niggas, man. Oh, he knows about the horny montanas. Make some noise for horny montanas. If you're a horny montana, we got horny montanas. We call them our group.

Like, in our crew. If you're a horny montana. Like, if you want to fuck everything. Like, me personally. I've seen a couple of're horny, Montana. If you want to fuck everything, me personally, I've seen a couple of my horny dudes. We in Berlin. Let me pronounce this right.

Berlin, Germany. I see my homie, finger pop a bitch in the butt. That ain't right. In the club. You finger pop it in the butt. I ain't right. In the club. You're finger popping in the butt. I said slime. I'm uncomfortable with

this situation. I actually can't partake. He's like, no, this is how we doing it. Like in the butt in the club, I got to steal out. I got to leave. You know what I mean? But there's a lot of horny people. So that's how pimps actually...

Okay, I got a homie. I got a homie. All right. He was kind of like, kind of timid kind of guy, man. Wasn't really like aggressive with the ladies. But then, you know, he kind of, he's like a rock star kind of nigga that kind of wore this like ponytail shit, light-skinned nigga. And he wanted to hang out with us one night.

And I was like, dude, you can't, where are we going? You can't get down like that. So we literally sent the nigga somewhere. He wasn't from Oakland, but he was passing through. We sent the nigga down to where the pimps get their hair done and shit and got him a pimp hairdo out of his life. We turned him into a pimp-looking nigga. They primmed him out.

Told the nigga to put on a certain kind of clothes. And then he got to the party. He was still the same nigga. Like, what do I do? Still square. I said, nigga, the way you look, just walk up to every bitch and say,

I'm Mike, bitch. Right, right. Tell him his name is Mike. His name is Mike. With Boris, bitch.

Yeah, Boris, we pippin' you up, motherfucker. Go ahead, continue. Guess what he came back and told me at the party

later on? He said, nigga, that shit works. Yo, nah, I'ma be honest. I hung out with Bishop Don Juan

for like a whole weekend. He had me gassed, right? So what happened was they gave me a famous player card. You remember the famous player card? It was gold. They gave me 917 on there. And they asked me to come to the player of the year, players ball. I got there, and then, you'm on I'm on road for real

Like but I took two days Out of my schedule I walked in To play as Play as shit It was a white bitch That was I'm walking in

A white bitch Say hey how you doing Oh you know me This is I don't even know If she asked me To take a picture She asked me something

And I said bitch You better play up You was in the I was in my I definitely didn't know And she chose me I said bitch you better choose Before you lose

I don't know why I said that And Bishop Darmore What's my nigga Juju Pimp Juju All of them was trying to knock me All of them was trying to knock me They said you don't know me

And the white bitch kept standing by me And I said I don't know what I did I don't know what I did You didn't get the memo. I didn't get the memo to pimp correctly. And then I wanted to pass off, but she really didn't want to be passed off. Hey, you ever seen that nigga?

He always got about five or six hoes. His bitches got to stare at the ground. They can't look up. And now what about him? Let's break him down. It's kind of funny, though, because his bitches, they'll sit somewhere. Even when they sit down, the whole time they're out, they can never look up. They have to look at the

ground. And they be sitting there talking to each other. And then, if you dare, you're like, you know, I'm a little crazy guy. So you go in there and try. I just try to fuck with them and break them a little bit and be like, how y'all doing? They can't speak to no outside man, nothing. They can't ever look up. That sounds crazy.

That's him out. That's just like you wearing your jewelry. He's wearing it. He's showing you his pimpin'. He's like, I could have told them bitches to look straight ahead. I could have told them bitches to stand in a circle. But I told them to look down. Don't ever look up.

Don't talk to anybody except me or each other. I ain't going to lie. This is how I knew I wasn't ready for pimpin'. Because my white bitch did that. My white bitch was just like, she wouldn't look at no other business ready for pimping. Pimp Juju said, I was pimping Juju and pimping Ken.

And they both stepped to me and said, you're playing, you don't know what you're doing right now. I said, I got to, wouldn't me leave her alone. And she just kept looking. That's how I knew she was more experienced than me. So niggas who pimp

and niggas who have pimp game are of it. So it's a difference. Pimping and having pimp game. I like the way you broke that down. Because who pimp and niggas who have pimp game are of it. Wait, so it's a difference. Pimping and having pimp game. I like the way you broke that up. Because having pimp game means that I probably could apply it, but I'm doing other shit. Pimping is stressful, man. Pimping is stressful.

Break that down for us, short. You're telling a woman to do the stuff she's doing. There are fucking repercussions to that shit, man. Mentally, it fucks people's heads up. So you got to deal with that shit. Because you telling them to go in the car. And you're saying, don't fuck with nobody but me. So every time, every emotion she goes through is coming to you.

So let me ask you something. After they do that, they give you the money. Do you have to make them feel like your girlfriend? Like, they got to feel love. You got to do all this shit. They got to feel loved. You got to do this shit, man. It's a lot of shit. Like, if you want to really. They got to feel loved. You got to do all this shit. They got to feel loved. You got to do this shit, man. It's a lot of shit.

Like, if you want to really... They're actually your chick. If you want to be a boss pimp, you have to be focused. That's what you do. I've never heard this term. Did you say boss pimp? Yeah, that means

you're in control. You're on a run for a while. And you could go to another statement. She's still... You're still a boss pimp. You know what they call that? Long-range pimping.

You can send her anywhere. Hold up. Let's make some noise. Hold up. Let's what they call that? Long range pimping. You can send her anywhere. Hold up. Let's make some noise. Hold up. Let's make some noise for long range pimping. I heard of long range five. Your homie over there,

I'd be like, long range. No, nigga, you should be able to leave her in Hawaii. You fly back to LA and you come back three months later

and she got like 47,000 and just be like, here, she didn't protect it. She didn't protect the money. She didn't protect herself. And now, do you have to have sex with these women? Or you just, you could just, if, so this is where I get fucked up.

Bring it down for me, sure, because I'm going to let, what do you call it? The lamest. The lamest. I've always considered myself to be a pimp and a player. I do have the pimp game, but I don't do it. So what is the difference between pimp and a player? Player, have the pimp game, but I don't do it. What is the difference between a pimp and a player?

Player, you've got the game to just run a bunch of chicks, but you don't want any interest in their money or them selling them. You're just a player. All right, you're just a player. Okay. Player in the game, you get money, you have a few days off. You're getting salary. Actually, yeah, yeah.

Okay. So I consider myself to be a pimp and a player, man. It's just like, you know, I don't really have. Yeah. We don't have to. Sure, I'm not going to lie. You made me pop my collar like 1,, man. It's just like, you know, I don't really have... Yeah. We don't have to... Sure, I'm not gonna lie. You made me pop my collar like 1,700 times. But I'm gonna keep popping. Is that cool?

You know, if you gotta really get a lot of game, just play it back. Listen to it. It's in there. It's in there. The game is always in there. I'm studying. It goes by so fast. I'm married. I'm a lame. I'm sorry. But in my mind, I'm gonna try to be a pimp, like, every time I go to sleep. Like, yeah, I'm gonna try to...'m sorry. But in my mind, I'm going to try to be a pimp every time I go to sleep. Like, yeah, I'm going to try to.

But we are all always students of life. We are. Bring it down. Always learning. We're always learning. You know what? I was going to tell you about my Dominican story. Yeah, that's right.

You can be Dominican. I'm Puerto Rican, just in case you thought I was Dominican. But it's okay. It's all the same. It's a New York story, man. Okay, New Dominican but it's okay it's all the same it's a New York story man okay New York let's do it let's do it

I was you were in Baby Dominican Republic I had a little that's in New York too I had a little run in with the with the

the hip hop all these niggas hit me up in the taxi cabs and I and just we had a strap in the car and we had

like a little ounce of weed We used to go up to We used to go up to The candy shop in Harlem Uh huh And you know Get the good shit You call my brand

You don't gotta call it The candy shop We know what you talking about We used to get That good shit In the jars Yeah in the jars Or in the motherfucking

Triangle Yeah Look at Yo hold on Fucking with my man Eddie man Yeah Eddie God bless the day

You know he died God bless the day Eddie First off he died. God bless the day. Eddie, look. First off, let me just stop too short right now. He just flossed on everybody on a real New York. In the real New York Times, he just mentioned Branson. What'd you say? Daytime in Branson.

Eddie, Eddie, that's who run the spot. Yep. That was my nigga. Continue your story. Go ahead. So, you know, we riding around and shit, and the niggas pull us over in these fucking taxi cabs. None of them got on uniforms.

They fucking flashing badges and shit. They actually take us out, put us, there's four niggas in the truck. They put each of us in a different cab, and I get in there us, it's four niggas in a truck. They put each of us in a different cab and I get in there, it's like three niggas in each cab. They jump in my truck,

drive the motherfucker and we go to like some 37th Street precinct, some shit somewhere, 36th, 37th, I don't know. Just thinking always shit. Yeah, kick his ass.

Sound like New York already. And, and, and, and the nigga ended up, basically the nigga ended up at Center Street. It's at 100 Center Street down there. And I passed by a...

You was in the real... First off, right now, if they lock you up up there, they have a precinct they bring you to. That means that back in the days, they had to lock you up up there and bring you all the way downtown. So, yeah, we're in there. It was about a day and a half on the day. Then they got bailed out a little later.

But I walked by this one holding tank. And I seen these jet black ass niggas, like black ass nappy head niggas in there. In there all speaking Spanish. And I just was like, that shit weirded me the fuck out. I didn't know. You thought they was black. You shit weirded me the fuck out. I didn't know. You thought they was black. I didn't. You didn't think they was black Spanish people?

Yeah, yeah. Nobody does know that. On the West Coast. On the West Coast. We ain't got no nappy-headed niggas that speak Spanish. Mexican don't have many black people. You didn't see my driver yesterday? My driver yesterday was blacker than me.

I'm saying we don't have nappy-headed niggas that speak Spanish. Right, right, right, right. So I get back up. I get out of jail. I go up to Jive Records, I was like, I've seen the weirdest shit in jail.

It was these dark-haired niggas speaking Spanish with nappy hair. They started naming them Dominicans. Dominicans, that's a fact. Let's make some noise

for Too Short Miggas with the Dominicans. God damn it. Hey, hold on, blow the horn, blow the horn. Say, nigga, after that,

after that, I made a point. I said, I'm going to meet some of these Spanish niggas, like for real. I met the Dominican niggas, right? At the gas station. And they popped at me on some, man, we know you, man. You're too short. Random shit that happens in New York.

I don't get spotted a lot back in the day in New York. And they said they got the good weed. And they sent me up to I don't know man I just you know you might get the yeah uptown Dykeman

they sent me up to like 184th Washington Heights yeah Dykeman Washington Heights yeah yeah Washington Heights and then basically if I wasn't going to Branson

I was going up there but I smoked good I used to hang out in New York a lot I smoked good listen let me tell you something there's not a lot of listen listen

when he just broke down for you there's people in New York who couldn't get weed in Branson. Because you had to have a certain type of plug. You had to be accepted. You had to be accepted in Branson. One time, I went in Branson, Redman was back there serving the weed. That was my sponsor. That's who gave me my plug.

Redman walked in. Redman. Let's make some noise for Redman. Always been a weed head. God damn it. I went there one time. That's who gave me my plug. Redman walked in. Redman. Let's make some noise for Redman. Always been a wee head. God damn it. I went there one time. That's who took me there. I was like, good to go.

I'll tell you one time I went to Branson. I'm going to keep it real with you too short. It's one of my idols. It's going to hurt me to tell a story. But I'm going to tell a story. I went up there. It's the Puerto Rican Day Parade. I'm Puerto Rican. I'm sorry. Half. I'm half Puerto Rican. You are Puerto Rican, but I'm going to tell a story. I went up there. It's the Puerto Rican Day Parade. I'm Puerto Rican.

I'm sorry. Half. I'm half Puerto Rican. You are Puerto Rican, but I'm just giving you both sides. But you know, yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. So, but this day, I'm Puerto Rican. Right. Right?

So I go to Branson. I bought my shit. Bobby Brown pull up in the 600 Benz. To me, it was like Prince. When he pulled up, Purple Smoke pulled out. It was the 600 bins. I was like, damn. Like, you know, I know niggas got 600 bins, but I ain't actually seen it.

Bobby Brown pulls up, right? Bro, TS, what's up, nigga? So he pulls up. Boom, Bobby Brown pops out. So he goes in Branson. I'm sitting there like, oh, shit. It's Bobby motherfucking Brown. He look at me, though. He he goes in Branson. I'm sitting there like, oh, shit. It's Bobby motherfucking Brown. He look at me, though.

He look at me like this. Like, I'm right here. He look at me like this. And then he go in Branson, right? I'm like, damn. Niggas is like, you're supposed to say hi. I'm like, I don't know. The nigga eyes is right next to my shit, right?

Bobby Brown comes out. And then he go, yo. It's the Puerto Rican Day Parade, right? I think me, Pun, Joe, we all on the float this day. But I took a break afterwards. I finished what we had to do. And I went uptown. And then Bobby Brown said to me, this is mad racist, by the way.

Which race? Is it racist? He said to me, ain't you Puerto Rican? I said, yeah. He said, you ain't got no cold coin. It happens all the time. It's a positive side to that story, though. You got to realize, in New York City, if you're from New York City, there's a couple of us here.

When the Puerto Rican Day Parade shut down, like Uptown to the right, it shut down too because they all over there. And so when they went there, I guess Bobby went there. He couldn't get nothing from the Coke spot. So he said, yo, ain't you Puerto Rican? And I'm like, yeah. He's like,

take me over there. And I was like, damn, why do you think I could get you to coke because I'm Puerto Rican? Let's make some noise for Bobby Brown for being the wildest nigga I

met. I was going to say, there's a positive side to that story. There's a positive side. I mean, who was

he with? He was with security. Okay, well, I know the niggas sometimes would be like, without security, in that

same Benz, riding up in any motherfucking hood, asking any random nigga, that nigga at A, at B, takes a certain cloth any random nigga. That's my nigga. Look at that nigga. Hey. Yeah, Bobby. Takes a certain cloth to be that kind of nigga, man.

To be that kind of nigga. You know what I'm saying? Right. You said, come on. He would have went with you. Yeah, yeah. I'm luckily I did. For good or bad.

Because this is my hero. Like, you know, I'm younger. It's because I'm younger at this time. You mentioned him twice already, Bobby. Who, Bobby Brown? Yeah. Listen, we need Bobby Brown wherever you at. Yo, if we had him on K-Chance.

Wherever you at, we need you. That would at. If we had him on K-Chance, that would be crazy. Too short is in here, man. I'm telling you, Bobby's a classic, man. Nah, Bobby's my nigga. He's a classic, though. He's always been my nigga. I remember when Ja Rule was actually filming the video, when Ja and Bobby Brown. And I actually, I was in L.A.

You was at that video? Nah, I wasn't at the video. That's the video. They always say he was high as hell at that video? Nah I was not at the video That's the video They always say he was high as hell At the video Nah At the ecstasy video He was

That's called the ecstasy video High five You knew that That's called the ecstasy Yeah yeah yeah No no no no no Ecstasy was ruling shit at one point Let's make some noise for ecstasy

God damn it Come on come on Come on everybody White girl Come on I don't know. Everybody, everybody, everybody. Yo, listen, short, man,

I really appreciate you for coming out, being a great sport. Are you going to drink this champagne with us? I keep it hard. You keep, pause. What are you doing?

What is that, Mai Tai? For now, it's a vodka. Mai Tai. We switch, it's a little, it's just a little regular. We switch up. All right, all right. I want to have a one with short. Excuse Tai. We switched. It's a little regular. We switched up. All right.

I want to have a one with short. Excuse me, Raul. Raul. Shout out, Cyborg. Raul, you know that you got the other Raul. This is Raul T.S. We got Raul, Cyborg. Y'all recognize each other?

That's my brother. And we got to shout out Slowpoke, man, for making this happen. Yeah, DJ Slowpoke. Can we get two vodkas and pineapples? Because I got to have a drink with. What you got close to pineapple? Apple. All right.

It works for me. So too short, man. You've been coming to Miami for a long time. Yep. I fuck with Miami too. You got no Luke stories? No two live crew stories? I mean, Luke, man.

I've been on the goddamn Luke's peep show twice. So that means shit. Back in the How Can I Be Down days, some shit happened. But how did you feel when Luke, they tried to prevent you or advise you on him? Because you had to be right behind him. If they would have did that to him, they would have did that to you. You know what? Just like you said, you see me walking through smooth.

I walked through that shit real smooth. They never came knocking at my door. They fuck with NWA. They fuck with the Ghetto Boys. They fuck with... True Life Crew. Yeah, they never hollered at me. And you was pimping for Royale. They never hollered at me. And you was pimpin' for real. They never hollered at me.

I don't even know... Let's make some noise for Tushoff is escaping. Come on, come on, come on, come on. He invaded. He invaded. I couldn't learn from the post. So they never, like,

what's the chick's name? That fuck, Tupac? Tippergore. Tippergore. Yeah, that bitch. Al Gore's wife. She was trying to shut everybody... They never had my name on the list.

They were talking about the shit I was doing, which if they would have passed some laws, they probably would have affected me. Why? I don't know. Think about this. What do you think about the fact that that shit could have actually happened? What if it had been like we live in a country where they said you can't cuss on your rap songs?

That would have been crazy. It would have been like Germany and Hitler and the Nazis. We would have been crazy. It would have been like Germany, Hitler, and the Nazis. We would have never existed. I would have never met you. That's how I think about it. It would have been like bootlegging liquor. We would have been out there

in the streets slinging dirty raps. Oh, yeah. It would have been more expensive. Maybe make more money. Yeah, it would have been money. I don't know. Like prohibition, straight up.

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I don't know. Did you, you never fell in love with this life? Out of love, excuse me. Uh, I'm going to tell you like this, man. I ain't really, like, too fond of life. With the jail and all that, like, you just came home, like, I don't know. I was only in jail five weeks. Five weeks. Alright, let's make some noise

for you still going to jail. You can still come home for five weeks, nigga. Five weeks. All right, let's make some noise for you still going to jail. God damn it. You can still come home from five weeks, though. Yeah, yeah. High five. But you still going to jail? Okay. Hey, you know what, though? I didn't go to jail as a young nigga. Right.

I was a jet set junior. But you was a grown-ass man going to jail. You went to jail as a grown-ass man. Yeah. So how was your bunkies? They had to be like, too short. Watch out. Too short is here.

You got to go look my nigga up. The nigga that was next to me, he's got a high-profile case in L.A. They call him the Grim Sleeper. Oh, shit. That don't even sound right. He sounds dangerous. Let's break down the Grim Sleeper. Come on.

Extremely polite, brother. Intelligent. Talk to you. Those are the dangerous guys. That sounds like a serial murderer. Yeah, whenever a guy's respectful, he can kill you. Nigga was showing me how to cook with just some hot water and shit. You know what I mean?

We wasn't, I was in a spot with the celebrity shit, though, where you can't, you know, nigga can't actually walk up on you and shit, you know what I mean? I was just chilling. But, talk about that guy. Go get him up. I just gave you a check on Google. And he was in you. He was on me.

He was on me. Because he was high profile. Yeah, yeah. That's where the high profile person, that's where I was at. I was in the same spot Suge Knight was at. But previously, me to get in there. Because there was a rumor Suge Knight tried to sign you at one point. Suge Knight tried to sign everybody at one point. Yeah, I would assume for sure. Tell me about that, short, get in there. Because there was a rumor Suge Knight tried to sign you at one point. Suge Knight tried to sign everybody at one point.

Yeah, I would assume for sure. Tell me about that, short, before you leave up out of here. He signed Hammer from the Bay, too? Yeah. Yeah, they put me in a jail where Chris Brown was at and shit. That was in that jail. It was just chill jail. Chill.

They get TV right in front of your cell. They just, you know, niggas just nobody fuck with you. But Suge Knight came to me like he came to everybody else. I'm doing my own thing. I'm independent. I've never had a boss. I've never been signing nobody. And he just said he said the West Coast is, he said,

Defro is home to the West Coast. I know where this is going. I'm like, for sure, for sure. And you knew where it was going too So he's like He's like man Come on over to Death Row I'll get you off job

Wait hold on I need you to say that One more time How he said it Come on over to Death Row It sounded like it It sounded like the sauce awards Let's make some noise for that

God damn it He said come on over To Death Row So you know I'm not a scary nigga Right Cause I fuck with some real niggas And we have no reason To be scared And then I'm not a scary nigga because I fuck with some real niggas. We have no reason to be scared.

And then I'm a smart nigga. But where is this at? We're in a fucking nightclub in Atlanta. Wait, well, Shug was in Atlanta. And you was running Atlanta at that time because you was the first person to bust Atlanta open. I was a factor in the city. And he still said, come on over to Defro. Yeah, and it wasn't me. It wasn't me and the bully. He was, you know. Okay. And he still said, come on over to Defra. Yeah.

And it wasn't me. It wasn't me and a bully. He was saying this shit like two niggas talking. He was like, you know. He was actually a cool dude, actually. He was being, I could see it that it was like a push kind of. Because the nigga actually kind of probably put a little weight. Like, you know, he didn't, it wasn't no kind of threat.

But he kind of like, I felt a little weight. Like, I think it was like, at the time he said it. Like, lean in. So he was kind of pushing up on me a little bit. But in nigga was like, at the time he said it, I'm like, lean in. So he's kind of pushing up on me a little bit, but in a friendly kind of way. And I just said, I was like, man, I ain't trying to rap no more, man.

I'm starting to label. I'm about to do my label. That's where I'm at right now. I ain't trying to rap no more. But you know, that was like 1995 or some shit. It's so many years later, I'm still rapping.

Because I also heard Jay-Z try to sign you, too. Nah, Jay never tried to sign me. Jay just would always call me to do some work with him. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, so that rumor was false? He never tried to sign me.

I probably would have. You probably would have. I probably would have went that route because just, you know, just to be around that environment. No, they respect you like a motherfucker.

Everybody respects you. Sure, just in case you don't know. I will talk. Let me just tell you, you are well-respected, well-connected. We love you on the East Coast to the West Coast. We walked that route. Down South, you are a guy who laid out the platform for all of us to do it. You're still as cool as hell.

I can't believe how cool you are still. Who's a motherfucker? I'm going to be honest. When the interview is over, I'm just going to ask you, how can I be as cool as you? That's all I want to do. I want to ask you,

because you're the coolest guy. You're like, how do you do that? And you still love the game. I keep asking you in different ways. Why are you the guy that say, fuck hip-hop? I told you I used to be in the studio with the OGs. My first studio experience was with some old professional niggas.

And these niggas had, some of them was in it. Some of them had came and went. They talked about the days when they toured the world and they was in the band or whatever. And the nigga said one of the niggas was one of the members of the Dramatics. He was one of the niggas. But he was one of the niggas that got kicked out the group. And he experienced a few hit records and

you know, nigga toured and then the shit left him. And he was like, man, he was like, dude, whatever you do, he said, man, I feel like you're gonna be somebody. To you? Yeah. He was like, whatever you do, you make it. He said, don't forget to have fun. And I kind of like took that shit.

That's life. I just kind of like took that shit and kind of adapted it in my own way that, okay, we're going on our first tour. We ain't, you know, niggas is out there deep, deep as shit. Right. Niggas is out there complaining. Right. Fucking, you know, I mean, we love LL, but LL used to not talk to rappers. Nigga didn't want to be friends with you.

Wow. I'm talking about, I don't care fucking where he was from, nigga's like, I don't like rappers. He wouldn't hang out. I've been on tours with LL. LL?

Yeah. He went on different, on big tours. Huge. Yeah, that nigga, he had it rigged so that he could get from his dress room to the stage, and you couldn't even see,

you wouldn't even see him. They had different ways of getting there and shit, man. Wow. But I'm just see, you wouldn't even see him. They was, had different ways of getting there and shit, man. Wow. But I'm just saying, I just, I was the opposite of that type of shit

where I just was like, man, I'm about to go in everybody's dressing room, we're going to smoke, we're going to chop it up, you know what I'm saying? I'm fucking with everybody,

you know? Nah, that's been a rumor about you is like, you ain't tripping. Nigga, I used to go, I used to do a show.

Uh-huh. 15,000 motherfuckers in the crowd. I would get off stage and then, I was on tour, like, the first tour I went on, NWA. Uh-huh. 15,000 motherfuckers in the crowd. I would get off stage, and then I was on tour. The first tour I went on, NWA. The one in the movie, straight out of the country. Wait, tell me, tell me, tell me. Let's break that down, because you can't.

You're saying it very nonchalant. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The one in the movie, obviously. But he said it's too cool. He said, the one in the movie. Yo, listen, listen. This is crazy. This set hit pop.

This is the one with the cops shut down? Historic history. That whole era? You was on that tour? I'm the group that went on right before NWA. Get the fuck out. Easy E called me and was like, let's go on tour. You seen it.

That's amazing. We got to make some noise. Let's make some noise. God damn it. God damn it. That's history right there. You make me forget my story now, man. Nah, you went on tour with N.W.A.

I was trying to say that. That was your first tour? No, he was talking about how you interact with the crowd. Yeah, I'm telling you, I used to go on stage, do my show, 15,000, 20,000 motherfuckers, and right after I get off stage, I grab one of the homies, because if you bring too many, or if you bring security or something, you're going to cause a fuss. Right after the show, in between my show and NWA,

I would walk through the whole fucking crowd. Lights on. I'd walk through people. You know, back then, niggas didn't have no camera phone. Right, right, right. Niggas didn't have a pen.

Niggas just would be like, man, you know, just, hey, what's up? And I'd just fuck up. Just want a pound. They just want to give you a pound. People would say, what's your security?

I'm like, nigga, you my security, nigga. You finna do something to me? You know Reggie and them did that shit and Keith Murray and Redman. Right, right, right. Nigga, that nigga's what?

Security, nothing. They just walk around anywhere. Any fucking crowd. I do the same shit. Right. I just test it out. I've never... No, but short,

you was like a king of a whole coast. It's different. And you still, to this day, walk around the same way. It's because it's the love, man. It's the love. You be somewhere. Let's make some noise for the love.

God damn it. Let's make some noise for the love. Hey. You be somewhere and somebody said, hey, man, you did something, something. You made a song with my little brother. Something, something. You made a song with my little brother. Something, something. You made a song with my little brother. Some random ass rapper somewhere, niggas like nigga.

All these niggas over here, these my niggas. You get in here. Right. Because I made a song with his little brother. Right. So we good that night. Nah, you always been good, man. It's the love.

I don't know what kind of deal you made with God, but listen, I don't care where neighborhood it is at. It's the pay it forward philosophy, man. You got to pay it. You believe in that? 100%. But you learn a lot of shit in life. It's karma, man. I'm just talking about the knowledge.

I ain't talking about material things. I'm just talking about the knowledge. You got to give it to everybody who deserves it, man. That's the shit on. You learn a lot of shit. I feel like niggas could have gave me a lot of shortcuts that could have helped me when I was a young nigga. Right.

But they didn't help you, so now you want to help other people. Yeah, but some people did help. You got to. You're going to have this live and learn shit. Everybody got to go through their journey. But help niggas, man. This pastor came on a little bit. I think we got to make a noise for help niggas.

God damn it. Help niggas, man. Help motherfucking niggas, man. Listen, and you know what, Short? You're such a great guy. Yo, when you was on Jive, I believe you called me. I did a record with you for your album, correct? I forget.

What was the name of the album? I forget. You Can't Fuck With Us with P.E. Popper. Oh, that's what it was. You Can't Fuck With Us. Oh, that's what it was. Wait, wait. Talk about it.

Is Haz on point? Haz is Googling it. I'm doing my job. What's the name? You can't fuck with us. Who else was on there with us? Petey Pablo. Petey Pablo.

Petey Pablo. He just came home, too. So you just like fucking with street niggas. How did you know to fuck with me? Because I was a foul nigga at that time. You still are. I might have been platinum, but I was a foul nigga on the street. The point of the song was niggas who are reputable in their own area.

Right. And it was like, you know. Because I was so honored, but I was like, do he know I'm a... Because I might shoot somebody when I leave the studio. You can't make a statement you can't fuck with us if there's no us. High five. High five. So you knew.

You knew what you knew. And then Petey Pablo did a jail time. I know in North Carolina where he's from the city rides with him. And look at that. The city, I have done concerts. You know you go to a city probably like an hour and a half, two hour

drive from where you're from. I have done concerts and took damn near all of Oakland with me. We show up a thousand deep and they're like, like, no, nigga, we all coming in. It's motherfucking.

It's motherfucking right. We do that. We still do that to this day. Yeah, we do that. To this day. To this day, I'm a foul nigga like that. They just ask me

how many I got. I be like, four. And then when I show up, I be like, 400. I be like, I said four. 400's light, actually. I said four. Yeah, 400's light. Yeah, but be like, 400. I'll be like, I said four. 400's light, actually. I said four. Yeah, 400's light.

Yeah, but too short, man. I can't thank you enough for just coming out, sitting down, being a great sport about it. All this is about is just hip-hop fans getting to understand and hear these stories. But before you go, I want to say, how did you and E-40 ever hook up? Because he's another legend.

E-40 That's still your younger homie. I got him by a couple years. E-40 and his brother D-Shot was in the game. They were street niggas. They dabbled.

They moved some weight around. That's what dabble mean. Yeah, they was dabbling. We learned something today. Let's make a noise and learn something today. Dabbling, goddammit. They probably did a little more than dabbling.

Dabbling is just playing around. Dabbling is just a little bit. A little something. I was just trying to be a PC. All right, that's okay. That's okay. So, they actually used to do business with

my niggas who I roll with to this day. My nigga niggas. My niggas. They was youngsters getting money together. So, there's a thing in the Bay where you kind of, you know, we over here in Oakland. 30 miles over in Vallejo. These Vallejo niggas and these Oakland niggas is like, all right, we're going to get down together. Then you got a city like Richmond.

That's where Master P came. Yeah, so Richmond niggas and Oakland niggas is like, we don't really fuck with each other. It's not no gang shit, but it's just like, we're just a little too wild to be friends because it never turns out good. Y'all too wild to be friends with us. We too wild.

So we kind of try to either avoid each other or it's just maniac shit. So Vallejo niggas and Oakland niggas always been kind of like sister city type shit. So them niggas fuck with us. And E-40 was my homie forever and ever and ever and ever. But we never made songs together. We was just homies.

We was the same. We'd see each other, click. Everybody know each other. I know all his little brothers. I know his sister. I know the whole shit before we ever made a song. Wow. And we did a concert.

One of those radio stations. Summer Jams. Mm. Summer Jam. Summer Jam. Mm. And the niggas, they had,

you ever heard the Looney's? Yeah, of course I did. Okay, so the Looney's had a record. I'm offended that you should ask. Of course I heard on Looney's.

Okay, so the Looney's, my homies, my young homies. They come from the cloth, man. They come from what I'm from, the Trinkle Down, the gang, the niggas who put out their records with my homies, my young homies. They come from the cloth, man. They come from what I'm from, the Trinkle Down, the gang, the niggas who put out their records with my homies. I love his slang. He said the Trinkle Down. That was crazy.

I don't know what that means, but I'm going to take it. Can I take your slang? I'm going to make it. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to make it. They come from that. So the Looney's had this song out called Player Hater and they was mad at me about this whole story I can't tell you. They was mad at me on some inside shit.

And they said some shit about me in the song. They said, that's why the town got rid of short. And they said it a year after I moved to Atlanta. So they insinuated and started this little buzz that maybe the loonies was like, nigga, you got to move out of town. Nigga, you can't be in Oakland no more. There's some shit. So I'm in Atlanta having the time of my life.

Still mad as fuck at this bullshit. Wow. The radio station is holding what would be the Hot 97 Summer Jam. It's 106 in Oakland, in the Bay. It's KBL 106 Summer Jam. And I'm the nigga who

the radio station came to when they first started doing Summer Jam and said, hey, we need to get some urban support. Can you be on the show? And I'm like, cool, I'm with you. So I'm feeling like this is supposed to be my friends. I help these niggas. It was a rock station. Wow.

It turned into an urban station. And they asked niggas like me, can you come help us? Went over to the community. So I'm like, that shit means something. And they played this record and put it in rotation where it said, that's why the town got rid of short. One line. Damn. That was the loonies.

Yeah. And I'm like a nigga like this. I'm like, nigga, you don't. It's zero disrespect. It's not going to fucking happen. It's just not. We don't walk away from this shit. We're not going to rap about you.

So nigga, something's going to happen. So I called the radio station. I was like, yeah, I'm coming to the concert. They didn't want me on the show, of course. They told me, you know, I going to happen. So I called the radio station. I was like, yeah, I'm coming to the concert. They didn't want me on the show, of course. They told me, you know, I moved to Atlanta. We kind of like supporting local artists and shit. You moved away. So I'm like, well, I just want to come see the show.

They gave me four sticker passes. That's the shit you put in your chest. Yeah, nigga, we rode up there with about 60 niggas. Four niggas in, one nigga out. Four more niggas in, one nigga out. Four more niggas in, one nigga out. He came out with three passes. With the extra three, nigga. We still do that. Yeah. Damn. Make some noise for

Too Short of Vendor Day. Vendor Slime Pass. That's called the Slime Code. So, before they realized what had happened, we 60 East Oakland niggas in the concert, no authorization. We just in there, nigga. We being real cool. We ain't got no problem, but it's 60 niggas. 60 grimy niggas in the concert, no authorization. We just in there, nigga, and we being real cool. We ain't got no problem, but it's 60 niggas, 60 grimy niggas,

and I'm requesting shit. I'm like, nigga, I need for y'all to walk me out on the stage and tell the crowd, me and the loonies going to tell the crowd, it ain't nothing but love. And it just had to happen. And they was like, oh, we're going to do this and this and that, and they wouldn't do it. And I'm like, nigga.

The loonies. The loonies was with it. They were the little homies. Okay. Shout out to Yuck Mouth. They walked up to us and they was like, man, what we got to do? Whatever. The concert people wouldn't let it happen.

I'm like, we got to kill this motherfucking shit. Ain't nobody telling about the loonies is my enemies. And we running away. We're going to just walk out and just say, it's just love. That's all I wanted to tell the people. And they was like, no no i wouldn't do it so we had we said well let me let us holler at the manager the manager nigga my nigga uh cnh is my nigga it's my homie right and we went in this back room we supposed to be hollering and one of the concert promoters we back there and then

the shit get out of hand niggas niggas uh lumped up the loonies manager a little bit. We didn't know this is where it was going. So the nigga got lumped up and curled all up and shit and all this shit and it wasn't even real ass work but it was just like

a bloop, bloop, bloop. A bloop, bloop, bloop. Yeah, shut up the bush. We heard about those. Mr. Bush, yeah. So we walk out and now we got the mob. The mob is not satisfied.

They're like kind of hungry and then we walk through the crowd and we just like we're not doing nothing to nobody but we're just not happy. And're like kind of hungry and then we walk through the crowd and we just like, we not doing nothing to nobody but we just not happy and we kind of moving around

and then just, we went and like took a little section. You know, you make niggas like just take their shit. We took a little section. We're going to watch

the next act. Somebody come on and sing and then everybody that was just the powers that be just didn't like what they saw. They just didn't like it. It was just nervousness and they canceled the show. They canceled like like what they saw. They just didn't like it. It was just nervousness.

And they canceled the show. They canceled, like, the last two acts. They canceled, uh, it must have been, like, the Isley Brothers and E-40. E-40 was headlining 25,000, 30,000 people.

And you had never met E-40 at that time? No, we was homies. Oh, okay. We was homies. Nigga, I got your number. That's my nigga. They canceled the show.

Wow. E-40 had spent, like, maybe, like, you know, a lot of grip on some special show he was going to do with the big show of the summer. And they canceled it. And they went and told the nigga, we canceled you because it's too short. Now, mind you, we wasn't fighting. We wasn't mobbing.

We wasn't fucking with the people. We just kind of like did the little thing in the back area and left watching the show. But they were nervous that they couldn't control this shit so you had had not met e40 prior to rap you i knew e40 before we was rapping i know why we early days the early days we was just like what's up nigga like it wasn't yeah back in the day niggas didn't rap together right exactly it's like a record with you we wasn't that wasn't even an idea all right make your album i make my album exactly so we just So we just was, what's up? We hang out, whatever. Right.

We was tied a little bit with D-Shot. D-Shot's his little brother. That's my nigga. Right. 40's my nigga. Let's not be legit. Nope. D-Shot's 40.

The click. They was in the click. Okay. So Monday morning comes, the radio station, the show was probably like Saturday or Sunday. Monday morning comes, the radio station does a fake caller pretending to be too short. No way. And the nigga calls up, he's like,

nigga, yeah, nigga, niggas didn't want to let me on stage, nigga. I don't give a fuck if it was E40, E1000, nigga, if short, don't get on stage, no way.

The nigga's calling talking shit on the morning show. Wow. And that's not Sway. Sway was probably going by then. Okay, cool. And they doing this joke,

but at the same time, it's a bitch down there. That's the program director or something. This bitch is sending out faxes and emails saying Too Short is violent. Ban the nigga from rap and don't ever play his music. All kind of shit. So I'm like. Trying to blackball you. So I'm like, I'm taking this shit personal.

Then the fucking phone rings. I don't even know this shit was on the air. I don't even know the air. E-40 called me. He was like, nigga, was you on the radio this morning? I'm like, I'm taking this shit personal. Then the fucking phone rings. I don't even know this shit was on the air. I don't even know the air. E40 called me. Right. He's like, nigga, was you on the radio this morning? I'm like, nah, nigga. He's like, nigga, you didn't do such and such?

I'm like, nah, man. So the nigga's like, we stand up niggas. The nigga said, so you telling me? You didn't call the radio? So you didn't say it. I said, nigga, I don't, nah. He said, oh, OK. And then he started spitting the game to me.

E40's a real gamed up nigga. So he starts spitting. He's like, the radio station's trying to play games with us. Blah, blah, oh, okay. And then he started spitting the game to me. E-40's a real gamed up nigga. So he started spitting. He's like, the radio station's trying to play games with us. Blah, blah, this and that. He's like, man, these folks, you know, we started talking about how much money he spent on his set. They didn't get to do the show. And they personally told him it was two-stretch fault. He was like, man, we're not finna turn this into nothing because we know who we are.

Yo niggas, my niggas, we know. We're not finna do that. He said, let's get in the studio and make some music. We made a song called Rapper's Ball. And that was like a big record for us's get in the studio and make some music. We made a song called Rapper's Ball. And that was like a big record for us. That's the first record we ever made.

Big record for your city. Big record for the Bay. Yeah, it was huge. It went everywhere. And basically, the shit of, you know, corporate type structure

motherfuckers in an office room trying to play some real niggas against each other kind of made us tighter than we ever been. And we kind of, we were cool as fuck. But after that, we made record after record after record. We started talking on the phone every other day.

We kind of like walking each other through each other's albums and shit. Niggas don't know, we was on Jive and we never really dropped in the same quarter. Wow. So we would be like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's both bad. We'd be critiquing each other's albums while we making them i'm like yeah you finna hit them hard nigga hell yeah like you know and then i'm listening to

him going oh shit i gotta get there go hard because this nigga about to about to knock me off you know so we kind of being friends and competitors we kind of held each other down on uh on keeping it keeping that shit hardcore wow like wow real. So before we get up out of here, was you in the session with Big when you made the record? When the Rimmys in my system. Ain't no telling that. I was in the room.

I was in the room. He was in the room. Yeah. That's when his legs was hurting shit. He be sitting down rapping and shit. Oh, shit. Hell yeah. And then how about with Jay?

Did y'all sit in the session? I did that about with Jay? Did y'all send a session? I did that session with Jay. It was all good just a week ago. I did that shit. I did the other song. I remember I was on Real Niggas Do Real Things.

I don't know the words. I was on that song. He really wanted Scarface on that song. And back then, them niggas, it was that shit where them niggas

used to love Tupac so much. It was like UG then, them niggas, it was that shit where them niggas used to love Tupac so much. It was like UGK and some niggas, they loved Tupac so much they was like, man, I ain't work with nobody from New York. I just, you know,

it was just... Nah, short, let me stop you right there. We love short in New York. Let's make some noise for short in New York. He trying to be humble right now. He trying to be humble.

I used to be telling niggas like this, man. I talked to the niggas, Scarface, all the niggas. I actually, real talk. Back in the day, I'm like, nigga, go to New York. It's going to take your career to a new level. Them niggas fuck with you. We didn't know.

Somebody had to tell you. Like I say, pass it on. I didn't know. Nigga, I'm on the elevator. And then nigga bellhop saying, I ain't never heard of you, man. Why you got on jury? Like, who is you? I said, nigga, I'm too short now i sold a million records and they like the bellhop the building i mean hotel new york they're like no you didn't wow never i never heard you could have

sold a million records see this is the crazy shit is is you know what side are you telling because we always felt like you know we showed y'all love. I told the bellman, nigga, I do shows with Big Daddy Kane. That nigga said, now I know you're lying. And you did do shows with Big Daddy Kane. Hell yeah, I did a lot of shows with Kane. Wow, wow. Biz Mark. Those tours were crazy.

Wow, wow. Biz Mark is my nigga, man. That's my homie. Like, I fuck with a lot of motherfuckers. Jam Master Jay is my nigga. That's my nigga. Yeah, that's crazy. Way back when i fuck with a lot of motherfuckers jam master jay was my nigga that's my nigga like yeah that was crazy way back when he was god bless him god bless him yo too sure got the craziest stories man we just made some let's make some noise for too short man coming out i was there you were there i told you i just turned 50 nigga i know some shit

ks1 told us he turned 50 and he put on a AARP card. Do you have an AARP card? Free bagels at Denny's. You got an AARP card? No. Let's see what kind of card. Let me see what kind of card you got. Let me see what kind of card. Yo, we need Sonny here.

Where's Sonny at? Cannabis card, goddammit. Look at that. Look at that. Let's make some noise for Tushar being a super smoker. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yo, Tushar. I can'm not sure. Yo, short.

I can't thank you so much, man. Listen, I can never repay you for this because I don't know if people understand what this is. There's people from the Bay Area. There's people from South Central. There's people from New York that all want to know your story and right now i mean in the hip-hop way when i say they know your story but in the hip-hop way we're not journalists we don't google shit we sit there just a conversation i'm gonna be honest i don't know the google but i do want to get the porn sites just figure that out earlier yeah that's it hamster yeah that's it

that's it but and and we sit here with hip-hop legend had K-Rus1 sitting right there Right there, K-Rus1 was right there And Some more Jive records He was on Jive the whole time We got Q-Tip that's coming to the podcast Another Jive records Jive records is the shit Rest in peace 5th Dog

Rest in peace to 5th Girl And I can't thank you enough My brother I really appreciate this I was so excited My brother DJ EFN told me He said yo man You know what I'm saying

Too short is coming I don't know if you felt it When he was on the phone But I kept going like this I heard that I heard it Where did that come from short? Every time I hear your name

I keep popping my collar Is that cool? Yeah, that's a pimp gesture. That's a pimp gesture? So every time I'm in Tucson, Arizona, and they say, you want the too short ribs or the too short? The older parents used to wear the suits and shit. Last time, I go like this. Yeah, you good. I'm good. I'm good. All right, cool. I want to make sure. The older parents used to wear suits and shit, man. They really used to wear their suits and shit. I'll say it, and I'll go like this. Yeah, you good. All right, I'm good.

I'm good. All right, cool. I want to make sure. The older parents used to wear suits and shit, man. They really used to pop their collars. They had collars. You don't have a collar. Wait, wait.

How do you know where the popping collar came from? So you had these certain characters that the whole time they're talking to you. It's like the nigga is so clean. He's just like, you know, man, when I was doing this, I just do like this. And they just pop it. And it's just like, what kind of style you got? Like, nigga, I ordered a picture. And they talk like that the whole time they're talking to you.

Right. When they getting tailored? Or after they tailor it? While the niggas just walk up talking to you. Niggas talking and popping. Oh, okay. Like, my nigga, my nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Am I doing it correct? You see me? Sure, give me right. Am I doing it correct when I'm doing it? Well, you wasn't popping your collar right there. You got the one hand popped together. All right. The two hands.

Let me look at you. Let me see you do it. You really got to be wearing a collar shirt, though. You got to pop your collar. You need a collar, man. You need a collar. Fuck a collar, man. Show me short.

Show me short. I got to need it. Let me tell you something else. Okay. I told you. Okay. I come from a different cloth. I come from the finesse niggas.

You don't necessarily have to do a lot of exterior. Right. You sitting there quietly, you told the bitch what to do, and you just sitting there quietly. You don't have to brag on it. You ain't got another blunt?

Come on, sir. You feel me? Okay. Yeah, so it's, I admire those kind of cats. I took on that style of just not. But do they pop their collar? You kind of don't,

you don't do the loud, you the loud rhyme. You don't rhyme. You don't rhyme. You don't fucking dress too loud. You just kind of like you run that game. So sure, if I could be a temporary pimp for like one day, could you coach me? I've been telling you all day. I just gave you so much

I'll keep trying to tell you. I'm telling you now though man. When the bitch chose me, I didn't know what to do after that. I was like, oh, shit. She actually chose. Does the chick ever

pimp the dudes? The gigolos? Is there gigolo pimps? Does that happen? You will never become a boss pimp unless a bitch turns you out first.

You can think anything you want, but she... I got confused right now. I'm mad confused. Okay, let's go like this. You've never pimped a hoe before, and you're going to turn a bitch out for the first time. So she's just getting turned out,

and you're just getting turned out. What the fuck y'all going to do together? A hoe who never hoed and a pimp who never pimped. Somebody got to give you that game. You got to go get your feet wet the best time. Let's make some noise for me being in school. That is real shit. That is real shit. That is real shit.

The best time you're ever going to get is the first. You're going to get a little junior ho. She's going to be like, I'll do it for you. She might be following around. Junior ho. She might be following around. Is that high school ho? Does that make you a junior pimp?

So you're going to knock another nigga. You're the new young pimp. You're the new young pimp. You're going to knock another nigga's bitch who's been getting it. She coming over. You're like, this bitch I've been having ain't never hold like this. You got a super hold now. And you're like, oh, shit.

Once you got a super hold and you adapt, you can't. Go read some of them books, man. Holy shit, this is super holds. And you sit there and you adapt. You ain't never letting her know that you can't hang with her. But you're pimping your way into it. The next hold you get, you're going to be harder and harder and harder. You learn some shit

from that super hoe you learn that's why when a female's teaching the dude you had the junior hoe and you was like oh she bring me a little something now you got a super hoe

you're like every hoe after that you're like do you fucking know what hoe it is that's why my bitch he gave me a famous player card I wanted to give it back

I said you guys are complicated this is very complicated your lifestyle is very hard style. But the famous player card, it's not a famous pimp card. It's just for the players, man. They all know. Difference, it's a difference. It's a difference. They all know.

I don't really be out there trying to pimp hoes and shit. I don't. I never. Same way I didn't sell. So you still just pimp and promote it. Let's make a high five for you pimp and promote it still. Come on, everybody make some noise. It's what happens when you're too short. I'm at the club in Las Vegas,

hanging with my folks at the table. The bitch walks up to me and hands me like $1,700, $1,800 and said, you're the reason why I'm home and walked away. She didn't tell me her motherfucking name. I didn't even see what she gave me until she was out of sight. I was like, nigga, a bitch just walked in to me and handed me this. And then what did you do with the $1,700?

Let's keep it real. We bought it. We spent it. We gave it back to the gang. Let's make some noise for Tushor and Keevin and Ghetto. Keevin and Ghetto, Tushor. Give it back to the gang. And she never introduced her name.

I couldn't tell you what her face looked like. I couldn't tell you. I don't even know. I don't know. Yo, listen, let me tell you something. We got the legend too short in here. I ain't even going to lie. She paid it back to the game, man.

I tried to pimp until the pimp came to me. Once the pimp came to me, I didn't know what to do with the bitch. You turned off. You turned off. And then pimp came to them niggas. He's like, you gave me your bitch. I said, no. I knew enough not to know

to give them my bitch. Anybody that's listening. So I gave the bitch to like, trading cards? I gave the bitch to like, like the C

or something. I threw her in the C. I'm sorry. I apologize. Anybody that's listening, just remember this. Don't listen to shit about some pimp rules

and shit. Yeah, yeah, fuck that. And think you're going to wake up and try to be a pimp. Tell them. It's not something that you do. It's not something that you do. It's not something that you adapt to lifestyle. You know, just like anything

you do, you become an expert. You know. It's in you. It's in you. Yeah, pimpin' wasn't in me. I'm going to tell you right now, I love the art of it, but it's not in me. Pimpin' powers. The passion that you see in me for hip-hop and music and the lifestyle, I don't have that passion for pimpin'.

But you have the passion more for hip-hop than p in the lifestyle. That's you. And I don't have that passion for pimping. Right. Nah, nah, nah. But you have the passion more for hip-hop than pimping. I love the art of the pimp game. It's a beautiful thing. If you... You know,

what is the best profession after pimping if you've been a pimp? Rapping. No, hell no. But dude, what... Preaching. Thank you.

That's what most pimps do. They start preaching. Preaching? Yeah, preaching. Goddamn,. Preaching? Yeah, preaching. Goddamn, this is not related? Yeah, yeah. You got to, listen, the last level of hustling is being, is owning a church. That's the last level of hustling.

That makes me not want to be religious. I'm not laughing at Christianity. I'm laughing at preaching, man. No, no, no. I'm laughing at all of it. Listen, every real hustler, last hustle is being a preacher. I'm just telling you that. The preacher's pimping his congregation.

Who gives a fuck? That's the last level of hustler. Make some noise for that guy there. I'm going to put it to you another way. Now, let's say throughout your life, the way you learned how to be a pimp was that you figured, I have the gift of gab you told that to yourself i'm not the gift of gab is your main weapon in pimping unless unless you're a gorilla pimp sounds like you just talk your way to him is the puncher facing the

bitch so pimp as you as you stare in the ugly face of pimping you see a fucking hoe die on the job or some shit murdered or or the junkie hoe overdosed, or just a bitch, life get fucked off, and she end up in prison, you never see her again. You know, just the ugly side of it. The dark side. The shit that fucks you up in the head. Because you've seen how you took this little innocent girl who was a waitress.

And you sit down on the block. And you fucking see what she ended up being, and you're like, damn, how am I in the eyes of God if I did this to her? And you start feeling like a fucking monster, like it ain't for everybody in the long run. So what do you do? You fucking step to the light.

And you go to the church, and you start fucking really realizing that, damn, I've been walking the wrong path. And then you end up being a fucking preacher five, 10 years later. But the main thing is, why are you a good preacher? Because from day one, you had to give the gab. You had to give the fucking swag.

That's why Bishop Don Juan, old man churches. It ain't like if a pimp turned preacher, he's not being wicked. Mike just really went that path where he looked at that ugly shit and he saw it. And he went the other way.

Some of them might be wicked. Yeah, it might be. Because they know they're going to get money. I don't want to be just saying some shit where real shit though, that shit gets ugly. I know a church boy right now that pimped his ass off, and the only reason why he's a church boy is because of what he saw him pimping.

Fucked him up. Let's make some noise for the shit that fucked him up. Come on, come on, come on. Can we end on that, man? Let's make some noise for the shit that fucked him up. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Too short. I just want to file a disclaimer on this fly ass pimping shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. I'm not going to I just wanted to file a disclaimer on this fly ass pimp and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This shit ain't for always. I'm not going to lie. He wants a disclaimer right now. I'm not going to lie. If you listen to Too Short's piece, you could pimp tomorrow. Listen, I fucked up when the bitch, like, listen. Now, you was a horrible pimp.

Let's just stand up and say that right now. Now, I was a horrible pimp. Like, I went and I said, yo, bitch, you got to choose or lose. And the bitch said I chose. As soon as she chose me, I was like, oh shit. She thought about pimping you at that point. What did I do for me? What did I do for me?

And I was fucked up. Pimp Juju, Pimp McKinn, Bishop Don Juan. They was all trying to knock my bitch. They was like vultures. But I was holding them down because I was like,

they can't knock my bitch because I seen the documentaries. So I was like, I'm not going to knock my bitch. But as soon as I left, I just left her alone. And that was it. So I knew I couldn't do it. There's two things you've got to do to establish yourself.

You have to get a choosing fee, and you have to at least send it. Wait, wait. A choosing fee? What is that? That's when she pays you to be with you. So you mean to tell me as soon as she chose me, I should have said, bitch, you pay up. A lot of pimps set the bar kind of steep,

if you ask me. I don't know. They like, you know, it's like five, ten racks. I heard five racks is a good going. I could have got two. I could have got two.

You got a signing bonus if you do this. I could have got a signing bonus? Your short, where you been all my whole life? Your short, start answering your phone, man. Look, we're going to exchange numbers.

I was playing the wrong game for a long time. You mean I could have got two, man? We're playing the drink champs. Yeah. We're going to exchange numbers. I was playing the wrong game for a long time. You mean I got a chance? Yeah. We're getting 10 of those. Yo, Short, thank you so much for being a great sport. Having us, man. I'm just saying.

I had care of someone right there. It looked like you drinking a Mai Tai. It's not a Mai Tai. It looks like it. Yo, Short, thank you so much, my brother. Easy on the pimping, y'all. Easy on the pimping. No, no. You got to keep it on the pimping. It looks like it. It looks like it. Yo, Short, thank you so much, my brother. Easy on the pimping, y'all. Easy on the pimping. No, no.

You got to keep it on the pimping. No, pimp responsibly. Like, I'm going to pimp. I'm going to pimp. Pimp your dogs first before you go up after that. No, I'm going to pimp, like, in my mind. I'm going to have Short run me through it in my mind. And then maybe, no, I'm never going to try it.

I'm never going to try it. I'm never going to try it. But at least Short taught me. Thank you, Short, man. I really appreciate it, man. Every time a person say, bitch, how did that happen? Before we get out of here. It's a Cuban goodbye right now. Is that really your favorite word?

Bitch. I told you I had a rap partner, Freddie B. So we tried to do everything that the streets do. And the streets was doing a lot of drugs. So we used to do these little skits before the songs of just either acting like gangsters or just slick talking niggas.

And one of the skits we used to do was about this chick who she was a bitch. So we pretended like we were smoking crack cocaine. Wait, wait. But this was not crack back then. But did you smoke crack cocaine at one point in your life? No, this was a bitch. So we pretended like we were smoking crack cocaine. Wait, wait. But this was not crack back then. But did you smoke crack cocaine at one point in your life?

No, this was not crack. We sprinkled a little bit in the joints, but never. Back in the day. We never hit the plant. So you did hit the, he did. Yeah, that shit tastes good. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. It tastes good.

Don't let it take you down, though. All right. But look at this, though. Smoking dirties. Back then, it wasn't, when we was rapping, this was the early 80s, it wasn't crack. It was called freebasing. Freebasing.

It was only what rich people, fly people did. If you was showing off, you a rich motherfucker, you freebased. That was the shit that burned Rich Pryor. And that was in the pipe

or that was in the blunt? It was the same thing as a crackhead. It was smoking the pipe, but when it first came out, it came out as an elegant thing that only rich people did. Hey, we about to go smoke.

This is the upgrade from cocaine. The lineage of cocaine is rich people. Go ahead. Freebasing was something that people openly said, oh, we're freebasing. But crack was something

when you turned into a crackhead. It was the same fucking shit, but it just had a different time and era. So we used to mimic freebasing. So we would sit there and be like, you know, the bitch be like, I'll hit this, baby. We'd like, you know, the tape is about to come on, the music coming on, we're doing a skit for it, come on. Like, just hit it, hit it.

And so you're like, motherfucking choking shit. And then, like, bitch, you smoking too much. And then my man, like somebody be in there doing the girl voice or whatever. And then the shit would be like, the bitch would be like, bitch! And I swear to God, we did that skit. Let's make some noise for crack making up the bitch. Crack cocaine did something. So we did that skit so many times that the bitch just kept getting longer and longer and longer

until it was just like, bitch! But is that your favorite word? It really is my favorite word. But look at this. Then I got a rude awakening, though, because I went and looked at some old Dolomite movies. And this nigga was saying, bitch! Way before we even thought of it.

But you're the Dolomite of hip-hop. You are the king. You're the first pimp of hip-hop. You are the first person that made us proud to be who you are, who you want to be. We want to salute you, Tushar. We want to say that we love you. We want to say that we want to keep continuing.

And you look the same. You ain't aging. We are saluting you, my brother. You are a great guy. We love you. Drink champs love you. Definitely. And we're going to drink some champagne.

I've been drinking you hard. Look, I know you're a pimp. You got me a little tipsy, man. I'm about to... No. The time is... This ain't no end with the podcast. We're going to keep it going.

Yeah, you all right? You're going to die? I'm never all right, right? You got pimped, man. I almost died. We got to get into this nightlife, man. It's a... Shout out to Sidebar Raul.

What up? Yo, Raul. Too Short, thank you for coming. We're the drink champs. I'm sorry. I don't know. You all right? I just keep coughing for no reason.

Smoke some weed. All right. Thank you, Too Short. Can't stop coughing. Hit the weed again. It's like your TV show yesterday. Oh, wait. What happened to my TV show yesterday? I forgot. Oh, yo. We had Scarface on our TV show from yesterday. Oh, wait. What happened

to my TV show yesterday? I forgot. Oh, yo. We had Scarface on our TV show. I talked to Scarface. He's like, I'm in Miami, nigga.

I'm like, we just got off the cruise. Me, FaZe, Luke. We was all on this fucking cruise. Chill out. Chill out. High five.

High five. We'll talk about that soon. Don't say it. Yo, two shorts in the motherfucking building.

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