Drink Champs - Episode 92 w/ Lil' Cease

Episode Date: August 22, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs! In this episode the guys drink it up with Lil' Cease. The guys discuss the life and legacy of B.I.G., Junior M.A.F.I.A., 2 Pac, Bad Boy, Lil Kim and a lot more. The guys are also joined by Jadakiss who also gives his memories on Biggie and Bad Boy Records. #DrinkChamps --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's DJ EFN. And it's the motherfucking Drake Chats podcast. Make some noise! New Year's in here. Right now, when you talk the greatest rapper alive in hip hop, this guy was the closest person to him. I always wanted to ask him, did Lil' C's cripple him? He said that in the rhyme. I've seen that the other day.

He said, did Lil' C's cripple me? I definitely did. You was a part of a legendary group, Junior Mafia. Sure. Also, one of the all-time best female emcees ever was close to her as well. You've been a part of the bad boy movement, Junior Mafia movement. You've been a part of the bad boy movement bar do your mafia movement You've been a part of this hip-hop thing for so long right now. We got a big up little seeds in the motherfucking To little seeds crippled me

To little seeds cripple me what? You was in a car accident? Yeah, we was in a car accident. Okay, because you was like the driver. I heard Big never drove. Never drove. Never drove. Never drove a day in his life. Okay, so what happened?

We had got arrested the day before that. Let's make some noise for Little C's and Big. You're getting arrested. Yeah. We had got arrested downtown Brooklyn for some bud. And they took our truck. When we got the truck back that day. The Lex truck? Yeah, the Lexus. We got some bud, and they took our truck. When we got the truck back that day- The Lex truck?

Yeah, the Lexus. Okay, yup. We got it back, the shit didn't work. So they had to ship the shit to the car dealership. We went there the next morning to pick up a loaner's car. And it was a Lumina van. A Lumina van. Yeah, we traded in a Lexus car for a Lumina van.

And I was like, B.R., shouldn't we get a Lexus? He was like, nah, we gonna ride low. Let's just take this job. And I jumped in that shit, and we were driving around this little fork, and the shit just sped out of control. I ran into a rail. How old were you at that time? About 16.

And you was already driving. I was already driving. No license. Speak some noise for you not having a license. She was doing a lot of things. Had no L's. Driving dirty as Kay Rosewood. You want to answer it?

Yeah. Yeah, so that's what happened. He fucked up his leg. I had to get these gold fronts to replace two joints that was fucked up. That's why he had to put down the rhyme and play me like that. And that's why he always had the cane, too, right? Because that time in the radio station when he said that rhyme, was that the first time you heard that rhyme?

No, no, I heard the song already. Because you looked at Sean. He already blew me. He already blew you up. He already killed me. I had to accept that one, though. You know what I mean? I took one for the team.

Right. So now, also, right, I wanted to ask this question. This comes via Shaheem Reed, I believe. My man Shah? He said, what were Biggie's plans for the commission album with Jay? And who else was supposed to be in that group? What label was it supposed to with Jay? Who else was supposed to be in that group? What label was it supposed to be on? And who was supposed to be in it?

Damn, the commission. Yeah, the commission. He didn't have no label idea for it yet. So he didn't know what label he was going to do it on. It probably was going to be on Undears. That was his label with Un. He probably was going to do it on there depending on probably what Jay was going to do. Right.

But the commission was me, Jay-Z, Charlie Baltimore, Big, and Un. Wow. And Un the rhyming? No, but Un was like, he was just going to play like the boss of it. I spoke to him. And that was his way of pushing Charlie out. He was going to push Charlie through the commission shit. So that's how he was going to break that down.

I actually spoke to Un the other day, and it was crazy because Un said to me, he said, you know what's the craziest shit, Nori? Nobody's never interviewed him about Big. Like, he was his business partner. That's real. So, you know, I was doing drink chats. He had to sit there and just think about it and was like, yo, you know what? Nobody never really asks me about Big.

Because I guess what happened after Big, because Cam was supposed to be signed to you guys, right? Undias, was it labeled Undias? Undias. On Sony. Yeah, because Cam was actually Big's artist, you know? And Capone. Oh, and Capone, yes, yes. B.I. was signed to B.I.

B.I. was signed to B.I. That was B.I. favorite right here. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I was so scared. I was so scared of to tell you, I'm going to tell you. You got to tell that story again. I'm going to tell you, too. I was so scared. I was so scared of Big because that's all I listened to in jail. I was fucking with Norm. That's all I was listening to in jail.

So I seen him in front of Hot 97. And he was like, yo, he asked something. He asked to rhyme. And I was shook. But Capone did rhyme. And he was like, yo, I'm making you Junior Mafia tomorrow. Word is born. And I was so hated.

I was like, he's leaving me. I'm like, yo, I'm fucked up. He was trying to get the squad. Nasheem used to always put us on to your shit. And you know what the crazy shit was? When Big, in the movie, when Big's making these last phone calls, the crazy shit was Big had called me and he played me T.O. and Y. And I was like, it's time. Wait a minute, say this again? Yes. He called you? He called me and was like, yo. That. and Y. And I was like, Wait a minute, say this again? Yes. He called you?

He called me and was like, I'm going to be our favorite records, my nigga. I'm fucking with this. And at the time, T.O. and Y's not out. So I'm thinking, they bootlegging me, baby. I'm like, yo, where'd you get that from? And I told him he didn't put two and two together

that Nasheen was a bad way to do something. That's how we used to get shit. We could get put on to shit. So I didn't know. So just imagine that, like getting that call. And I'm worried about, yo, my shit is bootleg. It's over with me. So now, see,

you've been your whole childhood. So did you, was he always the best rapper alive? Or you knew, you knew? He was nice back then. I just knew from the rip he was dope. You know what I'm saying? We didn't think he was going to be to the level of what it is now. Or what he became even when he was out. We didn't think it was that, but he was nice.

What was the age difference between y'all? Five years. Like the big brother. Yeah, when he was 20, I was 15 years old. Just running around. He took me out the street since I was 11. Make some noise for that, goddammit. You know him since I was like five, six years old when I was in public school. See him on Fulton Street and then another five years, I was on that same strip trying to hustle and do all that shit and he seen that shit running in me like, nigga, that

ain't true. Like just- Get the fuck out of here. Nah, I'm going to take you and you're going to do something else. Let's move a different way. Yeah, took me out of that. Nah, I'm going to take you with me. You're going to do something else. It's moving a different way. Yeah, it took me out of that zone ASAP. You know what's funny? A lot of people give Jay-Z credit for putting a lot of his friends on, but a lot of people don't really realize that Big did that first.

Nah, yeah. You saw that. Look how many people came from that camp. Cam Ron, Lil' C's, Charlie Baltimore. The whole Junior Mafia. The whole Junior Mafia. Andias. Andias. Being a movie director. Jacob York is still out here doing some shit.

He got Caruce and all that. Big you up, Jacob York. He had a club in Atlanta. Jacob out there doing big shit. And all that came from just B.I. getting put on. It set off all them pipelines for anybody to do a bunch of shit. Was that his plan from the beginning? Was like, I'm going to get on.

Because then you had that album. What's that album? That's one of my favorites. That was like one of the most slept on albums in the world, my brother. Appreciate that, bro. Appreciate that, my G. Why do that album. What's that album? That's one of my favorites. That was like one of the most slept on albums in the world, my brother. Appreciate that, bro. Appreciate that, my G. Why do you think people slept on that album?

I just think Atlantic didn't push it. I don't think they pushed it the right way. You know what I'm saying? And the money that we had that they gave us, we used it wrong. We shoot on expensive ass videos, $60,000, $80,000 videos. And once you do that first video, it don't work.

They don't want to shoot no more videos. They're like, nah, let's see what happens in another two weeks, another month, shit don't move, and they just kind of just let it go, you know what I mean? But as long as people liked it and accepted it, I was cool with that, you know what I'm saying? I always wanted to ask, like, Crush On You video, right? That was, like, the first time we seen a female change wigs.

Like, did you, like, she was, like, she, like, you know she changed wigs, like, man. Like a wardrobe change. Like a wardrobe change. Was that something that y'all was like, this is dope? Or was you like, because, you know, sometimes you be skeptic or something and it didn't work. You'd be like, yeah, oh, I knew it all along. But you know, deep down inside, you're like, this is a risk. Us as little niggas, we just sat around and just let, that was un, that was all un shit.

Wow. Being gave un the shot, like, to do the partnership with Undears. And un the one that was doing the ideas for the videos. Undears did all our videos. Get Money, Players Anthem, Crush On You. We just did whatever he said to do. Yeah, he directed all those videos. That was his way in the business.

You know what I'm saying? Did he have prior experience in the business? Nothing. That's crazy. He came straight from the streets. Straight trap and went from hustling and went behind the camera and was like, I got some ideas. And they trusted him and all them shits

just happened to pop and they rocked for us we didn't say no we just PYP played our position where you want me to go go here go here

and just so happened the shit actually the shit blew up you know what I'm saying and that was all within us that was all the fam team we was like big we was like Big Guinea

we was his creation he was learning all that shit from Puff and was like no I ain't taking Junior Mafia to Puff. This is going to be my own thing. Let me see if I can learn what I learned from him. That's very interesting.

Because Junior Mafia was on Atlantic. That's very interesting. Everybody was like, why y'all didn't sign the bad boy? Even at that time, they was trying to spread rumors. But I always seen Big cool with Puff. We just always been like a second family. No, that was Big. That was B.I.'s shit.

You know what I'm saying? B.I. created us through a whole other pipeline. Everything he learned from Puff, he kind of tested it with us. Right. And the shit worked. The shit worked. Let's make some noise for B.I.G., goddammit. What do you think B.I.'s next move would have been?

Like, he was doing things monumental. So what was his next move would have been had he been alive? His whole thing was the music. That's all. That nigga was a fan of music. His next thing was Kim, Taze, and the number Junior Mafia project. He wanted to do the commission shit. He was going to sign Kim.

This shit was about music. He wanted to set up his own empire. That was a big whole thing. Like, yo, dawg, I just want to give it a bunch of nice niggas and put some shit together and just let it run from there. He wanted to do five albums and retire. He was going to write my albums after that. I'm just going to write a bunch of Lil C's albums. You got to let Biggie write your rhymes. You can't let everybody write your rhymes. Biggie, you got to relax. You got to relax.

He knew me my whole life, so it was easy for him to write for me. I got built into being that shit. I didn't sit back. I didn't want to be a rapper. I wasn't 10 years old, 11 years old, telling my y' yo, I'm ready to spin. I'm ready to get busy. I love the music. I love listening to it. You know, that was my thing. But I never thought about rapping.

It was just a thing for him. Like, all right, this little nigga, he got the wave. He know what to do. So before you even knew it, he told you, you're going to be rhyming. Yo, I'm going to write you an album. All right. All right, cool. Let's go.

I'm down. Say no more. Yeah, what you want me to do? Because I was rocking with him, doing the hype man stuff with him. So we would do, like, colleges and Let's go. I'm down. Say no more. Yeah, what you want me to do? Right. Because I was rocking with him, doing the hype man stuff with him. So we would do colleges and shit like that and all these little kids would be going crazy. He'd be watching that shit like, okay, only thing I need to do is just write him some rhymes.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Write him some little cool ass rhymes. He's going to be this little cool kid with the knapsack, Tommy Hilfiger. He should tell me he don't want no niggas to like me. Just all bitches. Yeah, that's why you was on a kit with no shirt on. That's why I crushed on you. With the LL Cool J hat on and no shirt on. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? want no niggas to like me. Just all bitches. Yeah, that's why you was on a kit with no shirt on. That's why I crushed on you.

With the LL Cool J hat on and no shirt on. Yeah. That was my creation after that. The big one on my album was supposed to be some straight, like, bow wow, puppy love. That was the name of my album, Puppy Love. It's a real cool, bunch of crushed on me, Trevor Reddick.

Yeah, I was going to say, I'm glad you didn't do that. Now, when he died, I can't, my whole shit was like, the wonderful world of Cesar Leo. That was me with the Kengo, butt ass with the bitch's hands covering me. That was Cesar Leo idea. Like, all right, I need to make a different kind of approach to my shit. Now, the movie, I heard Lil' Kim express some feelings that she thought it wasn't accurate or something. Then I heard people speak on the movie, and they say, oh, I see he's so young in the movie.

But I heard you address that and say a lot of people don't know he was 15, 16 at that time, so that character. So how did you feel? Was the movie accurate to you? Nah, not all of it, you know what I mean? 60% of the movie, you ain't going to never be able to get 100% of the real movie, though. There's just some things you're just going to never be able to say and put out there. People got to understand.

What was something you wish they didn't put in there, like, that wasn't accurate? Or that was accurate that you didn't want in there? I mean, it wasn't about what wasn't accurate in the movie. You know what I mean? It ain't like they put a lot of fake shit in it. It's just that a lot of the shit that they didn't put in it, and they just added little shit to some parts that was real.

You know what I'm saying? So it was kind of like basically real. It was just more of an outside shit of big. Like, you know, his mom shot that movie. She wanted to show people just how big was outside of the music shit of Big. His mom shot that movie. She wanted to show people just how Big was outside of the music, more or less. Right, because that's how she see us. You had to put some monumental moments in there that people already know about. You

know about the Tupac shit. You know about the East Coast and West Coast. Shit like that, you can't stray away from. You got to put in there. His mom didn't want none of that in there. She straight just wanted to be about her son outside of the music. Did you get to see the Tupac movie yet? Nah. I want to see it, though. Yeah, because there's something very interesting going on in the game right now.

From Massive Flex is taking an approach. You actually said on the podcast, not the podcast, excuse me, the live stream. What did you say exactly?

Because now your name is in this. Yeah. They brought you in here. Sunday Studio. Let me try to get out and bring you back in. Yeah, so what happened? What happened was he was talking about the whole incident,

and he wanted to know if- At Quad Studio. At Quad Studio. He wanted to know if Pac shot himself resisting. When he asked me, I was there, and I just said, from what I know, I never said it was true, for there's a fact I wasn't there when that situation happened. I was coming downstairs in the elevator,

and I just stated that, and just that one little line I said when I said, from what I know, he shot himself. And you wrote it, too. Yeah, and he put my shit on blast elevator and I just stated that and just that one little line I said when I said from what I know you wrote it so People been knew about this I don't talk about this shit when your time nobody never Everybody's We've talked about this shit plenty of times. Nobody never took it no way before. It's been a heavy rumor. It's been a heavy rumor. Everybody knew that. So let's be clear. So what's the rumor? He did not shoot himself five times. He shot himself pulling out?

From what is heard on the streets through the birds and birds, they said that he stepped on him. I guess he tried to grab and he was pulling out. So when they heard the shot, that's how they shot him because they were reacting. They were thinking, you know what I'm saying, that they were thinking he was shooting at them. So in a sense, he shot first. That's the rumor. Yeah, he shot himself.

And he shot himself. And that's what triggered off everything. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's what happened. And people kind of took it like we was, you know, they was cracking jokes. So I was in with that. No, I just answered the question.

That was it. And then my name got thrown up in that shit. But I ain't really going to talk about that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Nah. This part of the industry shit with social media now, you got to just understand that's just what it is.

Oh, it would have been terrible. You know who would have had, you know, the kilt social media, though, pun, and Biggie, because them niggas' personalities was L. Like, those fat niggas got good personalities. Yeah. I think Pac would have been Afrocentric on social media. I don't think that nigga would have been terrorizing people.

Yeah. How was the transition? Because you knew Pac and Big when they were cool. Yeah. Like, even in the movie, it's like, you see Big and you say, yo, Pac is in the joint. And that was all love. So, how was that to see that transition?

Because... I mean, it was fucked up because Big really had genuine love for him up because they know big Willie had genuine love for him and we all know he had genuine love for big too right let me let me let you know something if something if someone is someone wanted to happen it could have happened right I'm saying nothing could have stopped that though we was we were seeing each other in plenty places and if something could happen it would so you saying whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you saying as

these records is out y'all was seeing each other each other a few times at the Soul Train Awards when they rolled up on us. Okay, I remember that. Something could have happened at that time if they wanted to. And Nas, too. Yeah. Situations happened before, but it just never went there. And I just think he didn't really want that. I just think he had a lot of people behind him pushing him.

And it was vice versa. You had people in our ear, too. It got out of control. Pushing that negative shit in us, too. You know what I'm saying? But they never would have did nothing to each other. Because genuinely, he knew Big had love for him. And Big knew he had love for him. I just think he was just going with a

situation. You got niggas that just bailed you out of jail and you owe your loyalty to that. He ain't do nothing wrong about that. Rob Markman, Jr.: Two Geminis too. Rob Markman, Jr.: Took you out of a situation. Big K, Jr.: But we're both of them Geminis. Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah. And they both died the same way. That shit is so crazy. Six months apart, the same kind of situation. The albums, Machiavelli, and the way they died.

Don't even make sense that that happened. All that shit is just like a whole weird thing. I was just thinking it was just, that's just how it was meant to be, dog. You can't change it. You can't like do the what ifs and it was just, they both got caught up in a bad situation, my nigga. And they ain't deserve that. Rest in peace to both of them, bro. Rest in peace to the Pops and the B.I.P.

I always wish they had passed it up because I think that would have been the illest. And they would. They would. I spoke to Young Noble, because we did a record together for K Slade called Bury the Hatches, I did with the Outlaws. And you know, it took us 15 years for us to sit down and talk, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't like each other for 15 years, and none of us never even met each other or knew each other, nothing. And one day, we spoke to a female. One day I'm talking to this chick and she must have said my name real loud. And young noble heard it, grabbed the phone from her.

Yo, who this? Real aggressive. And I'm just like, this Steve. This young noble outlaws. I'm like, I heard you. What's up? This young noble outlaws. I heard you.

What's good? And we sat there and we talked for about two hours. We got a chance To really speak on shit He ain't know a lot of shit That was going on on our side I ain't know a lot of shit That was going on over there And we spoke

And then he came to New York one day And we got up and sat down And kicked it Them my niggas to this day And he said yo When Pop was going to Vegas Before that He was like yo

When he come back from Vegas He was going to sell that shit with Big Wow Damn Wow You know what I mean So that shit was going to get deaded You know what I mean Eventually You know what I I mean it was gonna get squashed he really knew

what happened he knew what was going on he knew big didn't have nothing to do with that he knew we didn't have nothing to do with that I just think he was just caught up in a situation I'm just by the first or two of his things that big did to change it he was he was young we don't realize how young they were dog like you know in his 40s making these type of mistakes we should make it we supposed to be fucking up at this age. We kids. I look at it now because I'm over 30 years old. I'm almost 40.

So I look at it now like, damn, these niggas are actually babies, dog. Niggas ain't know no better. And Big was acting pretty damn mature at that time. We didn't know how big he was.

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L.A. L.A., I stepped up to Big and I told him that. He said, yo, I don't want that record to come out because what they accusing me for, Nori, I ain't do. He always knew to take the high road like it was ill he was here tell you like now dog dang dang the way but you know to each his own you want to do that I don't do that we couldn't stop them from doing that but we was loving

them for doing it you know I'm saying like maybe stepping up to the plate but it's like yo doh that's not we don't want to do that we trying to get some money and oh like you know for the B our shit was though we trying to get money we in this shit for that and if you gonna be beef don't make it hot all right you gonna make it hot you make it you don't respond to that nigga don't know your reaction to nothing yeah they can't say nothing you don't know what's gonna happen when you see I ain't saying nothing no response you bigger cut you off you respond to anything now you make

a record don't call me no more don don't come to my crib, nigga, you're done. Finish. We don't do that. Now, for the record, the rumor is, Who Shot Ya was recorded way prior to any... As a vinyl, like, yeah, it didn't make sense.

Before any Tupac record. That's supposed to have been for Mary J. album. That's supposed to have been the intro to her first album. Get the fuck out. Who Shot Ya? My Life. It's supposed to have been the second album. The intro supposed to be the intro to her first album. Get the fuck out. Who shot you? My Life. It's supposed to be the second album. The intro to the second album. It was too hard for it.

Who shot you? Go fuck Jadon Kidd to the building. We got to put you over there. We got to put you over there. We got to put you over there, Kidd. I'm sorry. I've been hanging out with my man for about a week. Yeah, Kidd's serious.

And he go to the gym too, every day. And he go snack and got up. He don't play no games. He don snapped and got up and ran for no miles. He don't play no games and would drink with you. So you said Who Shot Ya was done for what? That was for Mary J. Blige. That was the intro to her second album. The intro to the second album? It was Keith Murray, LL Cool J, and Big on it.

What, Who Shot Ya? Yeah, that's the original. What the sex? Keith Murray, LL Cool J, and Big. Wait, wait, Who Shot Ya originally was Keith Murray, LL Cool J, and Big. Wait, wait, who shot you originally was Keith Murray? LL Cool J, and B.I. And it was the intro to Mary J. My Life album. I never heard of it.

And they was like, yo, this is too hard to start off an R&B album. And once they scratched it, B.I. was like, give me the record. I'm going to fuck with it. And B.I. added a second verse to it and took it. It was a B-side record and put it on the B-side to, what, Big Papa, One More Chance, it was on? And we just ran with it. So that record was way before that. But it did feel like Big was coming at Pop.

It did feel. You say it's a coincidence that. I mean, I'm telling you, I had the vinyl. White label. No, I noticed it was out. But it still did. I'm like, yo, why would people think that when they know they already heard this record before? Because the masses in here.

It slipped out with just Big first verse. We can do Generation Stupid now. They've been stupid. You know what I'm saying? You can see. Why would people think that when they know they already heard this record before because the message is big Generation stupid now they've been stupid Why y'all why would y'all think that but I understand just from the situation and that's crazy time I knew how it was But we didn't know big this what it though big new big new it was big new that's no he like man He know that song in about you know that song was done before that you know I mean so big I'm gonna trip off that when big is on stage, and they kind of born them and oh that was real We was a Sacramento and shit Sacramento Sacramento it was a bunch of like West Coast on his booked on that show If not you for you be legit. Why they do that to all these East Coast niggas? They put one New York nigga. There's only one on the barrel, dog. They got mad West Coast vibes. And who's the love out there?

You know what I mean? We didn't know about this interview. This interview that BiggerPoison did with this dude from Toronto, he put a bunch of shit in there saying Big was dissing wild West Coast artists and shit. And I remember walking through that shit and the nigga Mack 10 bumped me and shit. What? You know I walk through the spot, like the circus spot, see what's in there, see what type of bitches is in there.

Walk through one time, I just get the boom. I turn around, I look back at the nigga Mack see what's in there, see what type of bitches is in here. Walk through one time, I just get the boom! I turn around, I look back, and Nick Mack 10 like, yeah, screw me. So you know, I look at this nigga big motherfucker, so I was like, all right. When you back, I'm like, yo, big, this shit don't feel right. It don't feel like that love.

And when we got on stage, the niggas start throwing coins at us and shit, man. Y'all had coins throwing at you on stage, them shit hurt my nigga. Them niggas throwing bigger 50s coins at you, throwing them shits. And Big got mad. Was like, yo, fuck that. Throw on Who Shot Ya. We about to do Who Shot Ya.

We ain't do Who Shot Ya on. Niggas start going nuts. They stop throwing shit. Because they want that. Yeah, I did that shit. I didn't want them to do that record. Like, my nigga, listen, dog. We, this ain't got no place for that.

I think LA, LA, LA, they loved it. They almost requested it. Like, LA, LA, nigga. Like, you sure? You sure, nigga? Like, fuck it. Hey, bitch. LA, LA.

It's crazy. In a funny way, it's crazy. Yeah. But sometimes you got to take those. It's just that. You got to fuck their head up. They just didn't want to feel like they was getting to them or they was intimidating him. Like, all right, fuck them. Y'all want to do that? All right.

Who shot you, E? Enough of trying to hold that shit. Now you start like, who shot you, E? Who shot you, E? Throw it on. And he threw that shit on. That shit just changed the whole momentum and shit. We got follow backs, be legit followers back to the hotel that day and all that shit, man.

Niggas thought Big was trying to diss the whole city. Wow. Some bullshit. That's an interview somebody put out. But then they squashed that shit right there. Big got on the phone with E-40 and talked. Yeah, E-40 kind of what he talked about. Yeah, he talked about it.

Next thing you know, that nigga hit us like, yo, man, let me know y'all get to the town. Y'all get to the airport safe. Left us with a nigga downstairs and everything. Stayed in the hotel lot before us to the next morning. Took us to the airport and everything. Real nigga. Real nigga. You know that's what we do here. We get niggas drunk.

I'm mad you ain't got no table for me. Yeah, I know. My everything. Real niggas. Once in a row, too, you know that's what we do here. We get niggas drunk. I'm mad you ain't got no Tiger Ball for me. Yeah, I know. My bad. I watched like four episodes before we did this one. I think there's going to be some Tiger Ball up here, though. You ain't got no Tiger today. He got prepared for Tiger. You ain't have any special today, dog.

In my building, they must have sent a flyer that said, there's no hot water after a certain time. So my whole family gets up, takes a shower, and they forget to tell me. So I'm like, oh, shit. I can't takes a shower they forget to tell me so i had to go check into the w real quick it was my wife's birthday too let me throw that out there birthday to the baby. Birthday to the baby. Birthday to the baby. J-Y-V. So, I had Puff on here, right? And I told Puff,

I asked him, I said, it seems like his smile was fake after Big passed away. Right? And, to me,

outside of looking in, his smile kind of got authentic again when I see the fun that he's having with French Montana. For years, I've seen your smile was, you know, you lost your homie. But now I see you back. Was it getting into shape that make you feel better? Hell yeah.

That was it? Hell yeah. That just put me in a whole different zone. You know what I'm saying? I was about to say that. God damn it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Just all that different zone. You know what I'm saying? I was about to say that, goddammit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Okay, okay.

Just all that shit alone. Just getting back in that field of work. I didn't do that type of work for a while. You know what I mean? For a minute, I was just really just- Letting it go. Yeah, trying to figure this shit out. You know what I mean?

Because that's how important Big was to me, my nigga. Like I said, I got thrown into this shit as an artist. That's a rapper. Once B.I. died, I didn't really know what to do after that. Yeah, a lot of people. QB was the one that held me down after that. You know what I mean? She's the one that did everything big with a did for me.

You know what I mean? And we got to fix that relationship. We got to. We got to fix that. I'm putting this on the podcast. I've been trying for years. I've been trying for years. I've been putting it on the podcast.

I believe positive energy. Of course. Of course. It's very, and you know, I got to see Lil' Kim since the situation. I saw a picture you put up on your IG. Yeah, because, you know, I thought I'd never met Lil' Kim. See, when I was with Kiss, I thought I'd never met Lil' Kim. That's the first thing she screamed on me.

Nigga, we been met. I said, oh, my bad. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I got years I blaked out, Kim. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was taking ecstasy for a little while. It was crazy. It was crazy.

It was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know who I am. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, so I really, I was, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was taking ecstasy for a little while. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know who I am. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, so I really, I was, you know, before we interview an artist, we always go through a playlist. Yeah. So we had a playlist just now and just hearing y'all two together,

it's like, and as a person, like, you know, we was opposed at one point. Yeah. I would like to throw that energy in the air that I think that y' worked it out I don't know what it what is it oh you fixing you gonna fix it it's gonna get fixed I got a fixed economy major part she had major part of the she made a part of that milestone with us one they got me so it's only right we got to do it again and get our proper respect and our proper dudes there's only gonna get right if we do it

together right that's just how it is like dudes. And it's only going to get right if we do it together. Right. That's just how I feel. It is. We got to do it for B.I. too, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? I tell a lot of people. B.I. is sitting up there killing us right now. Oh, no, he mad at shit at y'all. He mad at shit at y'all. You know what I mean?

He's going to make sure we good, but he barking on us too at the same time. Like, come on, man. Y'all got to get it right. And I think in due time, we're going to get it together. How about Dando? How about... Come on, bro.

You know what you signed up for. Come on, man. How many episodes y'all been doing by now, dog? Come on, man. How about D-Rock? D-Rock. That's my nigga. That's all we're going to be big brother.

All of them. Gunner, Money L. Bango. All those is big brothers. You know what I mean? Right. And as far as the mafia, I mean, we all, that's all day, my nigga. We grew up together.

You know how that shit is. Like, you and Pone, like, him and the Lock. I argue with Pone all day, but he's still my brother. We argue, we fuss, together. You know how that shit is. Like, you know, like you and Pone, like, him and a lot. I argue with Pone all day, but he's still my brother. we argue, we fuss, but that's what makes you that connection.

That's what makes you family. Like, you know what I mean? We know each other, aunties and mamas and nieces and nephews and kids. We family.

Like, after you got like 10 years with a nigga, that's your family. Regardless if you fucking up with him or not, you gotta make it work. I'd rather deal with somebody

I know than grab a new stranger and then try to figure something out. know what i'm dealing with i know how to all right i could fuck with my man on this but i can't fuck with him here because he get i'm at that age and i'm at that time of my life where i ain't trying to figure out nothing new i'm gonna deal with what i got and how did you feel from there about them trying to take down that biggie wall that was awkward for me let me just let me just cut you off let me just say something what i've been trying to do is form a hip-hop union right now what i mean i forgot to say no word now what i mean a hip-hop union is if c's get sick we come

and we take care of that kids get sick we come and take care of that so that to me that was a perfect hip-hop moment when they tried to take down B.I.G., the wall. I felt like the hip-hop union should have been there. Hell yeah. Obviously, and luckily. And bought the building, worst case scenario. For sure. Yeah, whatever it took.

Whatever it took. Now, what area in Brooklyn is that? That shit is in Best Stop. That is in Best Stop. Yeah, yeah. Like right where you obviously see the Freestyler Big when he's doing the freestyle. Yeah, Freestyler. It's right there on that corner. That's where his DJ. Yeah, yeah. Like, right where you obviously see the Freestyler Big when he's doing the freestyle with the 17. It's right there on that corner.

That's where his DJ is from. 50 Grand. His first DJ and shit. He's from that corner right there. I think I just seen the nigga he was battling. Yeah, Supreme. Right?

When they did that battle right there, it's on that corner right there. The nigga he was battling. And it's three floors high. You know what I mean? Like, that shit is like super big.

So the building is on that corner? It's right there. It's right outside the store. It's the corner super big. So the building is on that corner? It's right there. It's right outside the store. It's the corner store right there. And on the side of it is a building right there. And who did the piece? Let's give a shout-out to the graffiti artist. Oh, this dude named, um...

Oh, you know the landlord name? Give it to him. His name on Instagram is Spread Art New York, the one that did the painting and shit. You know what I'm saying? So once that shit came out, like, the Brooklyn Nets, even T.I., you know what I mean? Like, people came through.

They wouldn't go let that happen. We would have been knocking on his door every day, my dude. Well, he did the right thing. But he just ain't. No, it out like the Brooklyn Nets even TI, you know, I mean like people came through they won't go let that happen We were not gonna do every day my dude. Well, he did the right He's like I didn't know Trying to get some bread Because he knew somebody bread was gonna be offered and look at the time he did it, though. Big birthday. He did it around big birthday. There's hundreds of people out there, dawg.

People go to that. So he was foul. That more will just go out there, take pictures, put candles down there. They do it for big crib, too. You know what I'm saying? Right. He was trying to get that check first. That's what he was doing.

He did it with energy, right? Yeah, he got to. Look, big birthday. Big, you know, my birthday's like a week after big, so I always celebrate his birthday. But this year, on his birthday, his birthday came out straight in the year he was born came out. Straight on the number. Wow, that's crazy. 5-21-1972.

Me too. Bone came out. On his birthday. The number. The number came on his birthday. In the year. His born day. That's crazy. That's out. On his birthday. The number. The number came on his birthday. Both. In the year. His born day.

That's crazy. That's nuts. And his year. Because he, because. I don't play numbers, but I wish I'd have played that day. Damn. I would, damn. Damn.

I wish I'd have played numbers that day. I'd have been up. What's the best? What's the best era in hip hop to you? See, I ever, dog. Come on. Come on. Talk about it.

Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it.

Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about love. Talk about love. We're battling with the surround. Yeah, we undercover DJs. Yeah, we DJ, my nigga. We got new shit, my nigga. No disrespect to none of the new shit. We not haters. My team push keys through the panel of my seat.

I got incredible O.C. This nigga just got a record. We battling, dog. Yo, Gag, plug in your shit. Yo, we bad. We bad. Yo, plug in your shit. You got an hour. You plug in your shit, your hour. Let me see what you know, my nigga.

Was you on the Bad Boy tour? Nah. I did two shows. I just did the two in Brooklyn. That was it. They ain't let me on that one. So it was great looks? It was good looks.

Now, I'm bringing the broom to both of y'all. What is C's and kiss listening to are you not listening to all my friends at that can't lie? They might get mad at me right now. I fuck with Uzi out of all the new artists. That's why I fuck with him. His music sounds good. It's different. But if you talk to him, you got to talk to him. I never met him. No, he's us.

He do got to go. No, he blows. He's regular. You're going to talk to him. You're not going to see no. You're not going to see nothing. Okay. And that's why.

He's going to speak to you like us. I'm in. It was good. When you speak to him, you're going to see no, you're not going to see none of that. Okay. And that's why. He's going to speak to you like us. I'm in. It was good. When you speak to him, you're going to like him even more. Yeah, you know, I told DJ Drama, I said he won me over. Like the music, all straight music along with All My Friends Are Dead. I'm like, that's it. That's it.

All My Friends Are Dead. That's all I know. That's the worst part of the song to know. All My Friends Are Dead. I fucks with it. All My Friends Are Dead. He came to Bill Clinton. He came to Gary. He, they know. He came to the river with me. I fucks with him. He came to the river with me. He came to the river with me.

He came to the river with me. I said, yo, dog, I fucks with you because I like that. Fuck the music shit. I like who you are as a person. Sometimes music is just entertainment sometimes. You know what I mean? Because you got to look at it. Sometimes that ain't everything you are, my nigga.

Because if I judge the person, I don't know what he's doing. I want to have a word. It's all different. When you go in the booth and create what a job. That's your dress. I would have a word. It's all different. When you go in the booth and create what you create, that's your art. That's on you. That's an artist, yeah. But if I were to judge a person by how they look,

then I would have never had Superthug, because Pharrell dressed weird from the beginning. He's not a, he's not a, you know, he's been weird. Like he's not, you know what I'm saying? And by the way, me and Pharrell got a new record. You got Uno Mas. You got Uno Mas. We got Uno Mas. It's probably my favorite record I ever made of all times.

He's in a different zone. I got a head first, man, because you got some joints. I got a head first. You put him in a different zone. You put him in a different zone. I told him. I said, listen. He played me a gangster record. I said, I got to relax, Pharrell.

I can't do gangster records with you 20 years later. I got them both. Dope gangster records. Let with you 20 years later. I got them both. Dope gangster records. Let's throw that out there. I still got them. They both crazy. But I said, nigga, this is what I need. I need frontin', and I'm happy to have a baby, and I'm delivering it.

I'm the one saying, push. You can do it. Keep coming out. That's a crazy marriage Happy in front I needed a happy wreck at my version my version. So we finally got it 20 years later I've been trying to get for all to give me a girl record forever. He has never gave me one He do always want to keep me in the hood. He's a foul nigga, but now but now he's drinking red wine And we are having a great time. This is the first nigga to have me drinking Pinot Grigio.

And I also performed with Pharrell at the Roots picnic recently. That's what's up. Great. Y'all, I'm going to pick up the Roots my first, second, or third time with a live band. So a lot of people thought I forgot my words. I didn't forget my words. No, the band is going much faster. The band is going different.

You guys just got rhythm. They've been balling with your DJ. With your DJ. I'm a DJ guy. Very different. Yeah, we DJ guys. Yeah, yeah, DJ guys. It is going much faster later. The band is going different Different yeah, we DJ Got my words no About the roots they can start over like a You really got to be on camera. I was like, no, start it over. Start it over. You know what's ill about the Roots? They can start over like a DJ. They can start over like a DJ. They're old from the beginning. They looked at me like, nigga.

I just performed in Aruba with them. I just did my first live band because I performed with Faith. What you doing out there? I went out there with Faith. The Soul Beach. I went out there with Faith. The Soul Beach Festival out there with Usher, the Roots. Oh, wow. I went out there and came out and did some joints to Festival out there with her, Usher, The Roots. Oh, wow.

King and I. And I went out there and came out and did some joints to her set. But that shit was love. That's the first time I rocked with a band. I did all my joints with a band. It's different. It's different. You ain't got to be prepared.

You got to be prepared. You need at least a month for rehearsal when you're rocking with a band. And I missed the rehearsal. That's what happened. Yeah, we rehearsed. I missed never the rehearsals. No, I was going to do it because they wanted to give me an earpiece. I wanted an earpiece.

I was thinking, I never had an earpiece. No, me an earpiece. I wanted an earpiece. I was thinking I never had an earpiece. No, but that's important. I didn't have an earpiece for the reunion show at the ball place. I didn't have one. My shit was fucked up. I never performed at the Grammys. The Oscars don't know who the fuck I am. Charlie? Yeah, I deserved to go to the Oscars one time. Come on, Charlie. We don't give a fuck one time. You got the whole, come on Charlie. We don't give a fuck about that big shit.

We don't care about that. So, see I asked you the best era of hip-hop, right? I era dog, I era my nigga. The world in there was alive right now. Aw man, please. Who's the artist you think he would be working with? New? Kids out today? Anybody? Whatever you want to go with.

I think he'd fuck with Kohl's. Gay Kohl's to go with I think it's a cold That's what I said, the new ones, he don't care. Anything you would think. They was the only ones on the, how many collabs on the Lock Sound? Come on, y'all was on the B.I. album. Yo, didn't you say, didn't you say recently that Big went at y'all? Yeah, you'll see first. Oh, what? You'll see the first, it's actually the Lock's first feature with Big. We never met him. Uh-huh.

And I know what happened. Puff went and told him some shit. Puff went and, y'all got these niggas from Yonkers. They dirty army suit wearing niggas. They coming crazy. They coming for you. That's how he said it. He came crazy.

So what did he say? I don't know. He came from the first line. Niggas talking it, but ain't living it. It's not allowing for us. He came out. You don't know how crazy he was. I can't go back and just listen to it.

I'm not going to be back, kids. You know what's coming at them. He was coming at us. Look at the birds. Look at the birds. He's coming at us. He's coming hard. He could have actually broke our smear.

He could have went all wrong. We could have tailed between the legs. Don't let, don't kiss legs. Don't laugh. And big. So hold on. Let me describe the situation. Hold on.

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You didn't see him? That's why Puffy foul. We never met B.I. till after you'll see what's done. Wow. It was like a big jump. And then he loved us, though. So that's probably why we were still good.

Because once he met us, he's like, yo, that nigga's nice, this, that. Right. He ain't say, but I still have to come at y'all. But if you listen to it, he's coming. He's trying to rip out his neck to shreds. Right. For our first joint? We like, shit.

This how you roll with us in LA? Shit! Nah, Big just knew the niggas was getting busy. You know what I mean? Like... Big seemed mad competitive. He loved these niggas, my nigga. You know what else Big seemed like? I'ma tell you what Big seemed like.

Big fuck with you, man. If he was dope, he'd fuck with you. He seemed like an underground... He loved underground music. He loved the you man If he was dope He fuck with you Underground He was all He loved underground music Weirdo He loved the weirdo shit He was into Cause him and Mef

That record I can't I still I don't know how they How they like Came up with that That record seems like They were going

At it Like And at that time Mef was considered the best Cause he had that M-A-T-H-O-D man Yeah he was Cooking up the woosh shit He was cooking up He was ripping, Mef was considered the best because he had that M-A-T-H-O-D man. Yeah, he was cooking up the bullshit. He was cooking up the shit.

He was ripping everything. Mef was that. Mef's name was everywhere. And I still can't. Him and O'Dirty. I still can't say who won that. I swear to God. They both was killing that shit.

There'd be certain days I'd be like, Mef won. Mef and O'Dirty was coming crazy. Because they had different styles, too. And B.I. won the payday. B.I. gave it up. B.I. said, have you got him? Nah, he got me. He said that? He said it.

B.I. said it. J. joined. He said, J. got him. What, on Brooklyn Finals? I got to disagree. B.I. said that. I got to disagree. I told B.I. he was bugging.

Yeah, I don't think so. He's bugging. He's bugging. God bless him. See, I didn't understand J. in the beginning. He was using all them big words and shit like that. I left school in ninth grade, my nigga. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know all that scientific,. He was using all them big words and shit like that. I left school in ninth grade, my nigga. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't know all that scientific, or graphical and all that. I understand now. I understand the kind of shit. Direct to the point. And B.I. was more like a direct, but B.I. is bad now. Who did B.I.

He bodied some nigga in Philly. He never had a, what's his name? Oh, man. That was terrible. They traced a nigga and let that come out. To Kim and C's events. He should have manned up. Amanda like somebody should have told him no

Speaking his defense he's a lawyer. He quit rapping to and went into He won. He won. He won. He won. He quit rapping to and went into a lawyer. He's going to sue you now. No, I'm sorry.

I'm just saying. I always say, if you still do music, you still do music. Yeah, I always let you know. I'm sorry, Trey Lee. I'm sorry. I didn't mean you like that. No, that was some of Big's honest shit, though. He even destroyed Shaq. Like, he's foul. Big had no... He even destroyed Shaq.

Like, he's foul. Come on, man. He destroyed Shaq. He said, Shaq, you get it, too. That was the only record with him and Nas on it. One of those verses was for Shaq. Shaq said he couldn't say that. One of the B.I. verses that he said was for Shaq this year.

Shaq went in and wrote his own thing. Shaq couldn't say it. He couldn't say it. Basketball, politics, your dog. I can't say anything that you got me saying, my nigga. I sell sneakers. Right.

I'm up here with kids. So did Shaq write his own rhyme on that record? Who wrote it? He came back, he had a verse on there. We was going, we was at the hotel.

But wasn't Nas on that record as well? I don't know. I believe, it's a version, the only version between Big and Nas. I only heard the one we did,

we went to Shaq Crib and that shit got recorded right there. Is that the same time that they're talking shit about each other? No, it's the same record. But no, the same time that they're talking shit. The Nas and Big? Yeah. What record did Big go at Nas?

Kicking the Door. Kicking the Door. What was that line? I didn't pick that. What was that line? Because Nas came back. He said some shit. It was the whole, that whole skit.

He was like, niggas is champagne. Last year they wasn't champagne. now i said a line he said he took the crown of the so-called king and lock it down freestyle he did a big peep that and that was big response to the uh the third verse to kick in the door what did he say again this goes out for those that choose to use disrespectful views on the king and why fuck that watch right don't believe Brailing it snatch that light shit scaling the conscience of your nuns 88 so more powder than Johnson and Johnson I have to catch on to shit.

I still catch on to some shit now. I'm like, damn, dog. I ain't know what that shit meant. No, I do too. I used to have to ask Biggie, what you mean by that? What's that? But that's where that came from. Because I asked him. You know what I know about Biggie?

Where that came from, he played the freestyle. I was like, listen. He's not even using big words. It's his flow. It's his delivery. And the way he said the words, man. It was just so clear. Conscience of your nonsense.

We had to relax back there. We could know he was big. I was too young to catch that back then. Now, Charlie Baltimore. She's my sister. That's my fan right there. But I've never seen nobody never mess with Charlie. Everybody she messes with, she turns them out.

What does that mean? Yeah. Why I got quiet? You just hit the nod there. I don't know. No, I'm just saying. She's a beautiful girl. She's my sister.

I love her. But, you know, it seems like when a man messes with Charlie, Hey, mess with Charlie. Huh? What? Oh, these are called the slime linens. Slime linens? Slime linens, y'all.

We can change the subject quick. Let's go. This my man. This my man. You know that was a professional curve right there. This my man, Jordan. This my man, Jordan. I didn't feel right about that either.

I didn't feel right about that either. I didn't feel right about that either. I didn't feel right about that either. I didn't feel right about that either. I didn my sister. That's all. This my man. This is professional. You know that was a professional curve right there. This my man. This my man. This my man. This my man. I didn't feel right about that either. You know what?

Now, let me take the question another way. Let me take the question another way. Because Charlie was messing with Big at the same time. I'm going to go right back to that. No, no, but a different way. A different way. Yeah, but Charlie was messing with Big at the same time as Lil' Kim. So that was where their turmoil started.

Not really. They didn't really have no turmoil. There wasn't really no situation. Right. When it came to B.I. And he wasn't with Faith, too, at the same time? No, Faith and Kim just squashed it. And they cool again.

That's hard. B.I. had all that situated. B.I. was real cool like that. B.I. was putting it down like that. None of that was going on. You wouldn't peep it. You wouldn't notice it. He was smashing everything

Let's make some noise for big Wonderful love yeah, it was a wonderful day big big fat black motherfucker boy not only this must be romantic I just feel like big fat thing is this romantic most mobile man. I think pun was very romantic. I don't know, maybe there's something about that. I used to see the nigga with roses all the time. I said, why you got roses? Why you got roses? Just for no reason. What are you doing, my brother? He just speaking a little Spanish.

He just speaking a little Spanish. Let me get that light. Yeah, this nigga was just cool. Yeah, we back. See, he's got it. See, he's got it. So, oh, got a little awkward. It's dope. It's dope. It's dope. It's dope. It's good, it's good

It's good to get that awkward sometimes He was really big pimping, dog He was really pimping out there Now, let's describe Puff at that time, right? Because at that time, y'all just getting to know this guy, right? And according to the movie, it's like He gave Big a check And he gave Big all these promises

But he really had no accolades to match that. As opposed to, like, you know, I mean, he worked it up, but not for himself. But still, he had some accolades. But he had Jodeci. He did match that up, John. But he didn't have them. But he was a part of that creation.

He was a part, but what I'm saying is... For that era, what he was doing was... This is his first label, Bad Boy, so... Yeah, but I think you can't win some credibility. Who's going to make his career? So what do you think made y'all in general and Big even trust this guy? B.I. fuck with him. I think B.I. just knew he knew what he was doing.

He was devoted to B.I. That's one thing I couldn't say about him. He was loyal. When it came to B.I., he was straight up with Big. I can't knock that. I can't take that away. It wouldn't be no B.I. if it wasn't for Big. You know what I mean? I can't knock that. I can't take that away. It wouldn't be no B.I. if it wasn't for him.

It wouldn't be for Puff. That's real shit. Straight up. That's just the real shit ever. And B.I. fuck with him. At the end of the day, we fuck with him if Big did. I hate the rumors.

B.I. was the boss, dog. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, if he say it's cool, it's cool. Who am I to say, I don't fuck with him or it's this and that? B.I. is the one that got us on this flight right now, dog. So I hate the rumors. The rumors of Puff having beef with Big. Can you the one that got us on this flight right now, dog. So I hate the room. The room was a puff having beef with Big. Can you just squash that for us?

It wasn't no beef with him and Big at all, my nigga. And was there any animosity between Craig Mack and Big? Nah. Big finished him too. Big finished him too. He finished him too. It's a fact. No, no, I don't think there was, buddy.

Mack used to be doing a bunch of funny style shit, and B.I. used to just catch wind of it, and then B.I. just started blowing them. Right. Like, all right, my nigga, you want some real bullshit. All right, fuck you, you hating on the road. Because from the outside, it looks crazy. This one artist launches the label. No, Big finished him. And then the next artist, it's a wrap.

Flamin' Ya 8 came out. Remember the Big Mack? Mack, he used to be throwing a little shit at B.I. once in the blue. No, Juicy wasn't as compatible as Flavor In Your Ear. But B.I. had a whole album full of shit. Once Big Papa came,

and Get Down, and One More Chance, and now Mack's sitting in the back. He used to be doing a little funny style shit. Big was peeping it, and Big just started like, all right, I'm going to start blowing this nigga.

I mean, that was all B.I. He did what he wanted to do. He said what he wanted to say. We had to just sit back and just, all right. Whatever he say, whatever he doing, we riding with it. That's it. Nobody had no problems with Mack. And it wasn't no real situation, but Mack just used to do little funny shit and Big

was peeping it, and Big just addressed it. You see that one interview we did in Holland, it was like, Big, is Craig Mack on the album? Big said, Mack? Nah, I don't fuck with him. I'm at the interview. Oh, YouTube this. Wait, YouTube it. I put my head down, I'm like, I look at my homeboy, I look at Rock and them, they all

sitting over there like- Remind you of Meek and Wale almost, like how they be beefing on the same label. It reminds you of that. It happens, dog. It's just industry shit. It's nothing to be personal. It's nothing to get physical. No, I mean, listen, Big was making those records that the label had to pay attention

to him, and it's automatically when you get it, not shitted on, but when you're getting ignored for somebody that y'all both came in the game together. It wasn't Craig Mack's fault. I'm sure he felt a certain way, but it wasn't Big Fort neither. He just go on the floor. He put the nigga going to get him. He got to do it. That's all.

That's it. He in the synagogue now. He in the church now. You got to just go with it. Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. He running some shit. Yeah, he doing something.

It's positive. Not that I. That's what Spock. Not a source of words. We have Puff on here. Puff said, when Shug said that, he could have shot it down. Was you there?

He did say that. He said we could have. He edited it. He edited it. He took it out? We didn't edit it. We didn't edit it. We going to put that foot in the video.

No, we're not going to put that foot in the video. We said I could have shot it down though. He was on Six Sides of the Rock at this time too. No, you didn't. No, I was in jail. I'm sorry. You were in jail? No, I was in jail, yeah.

I missed that one. But he meant Ciroc at this time too. No, you didn't. No, I was in jail. I'm sorry. You were in jail? No, I was in jail, yeah. I missed that one. But he meant well. I missed that one too. I thought I was in my mind.

In my mind, I was there. I forgot. Yeah, you've been through a lot of shit. I forgot about that. Now, that's also why that was probably the most dangerous award

ever for hip hop. And Bezzino said that was, he said he didn't have security. He was too, he said in his words, that they wasn't on point to high security. Is this the same one,

the whole Tribe and Tupac thing? The same one? No, that's the next, that's the year after. This is the first year of the Sauce Awards. The first, the very first one.

When Silk said, yo, I don't want y'all all in the video dancing. In the video, yeah. Yeah, it's a meme right now. Like, with Silk, they say, I bet he was wishing

he was in all of these videos dancing. I said, y'all niggas are off. Yeah, that's bad. Y'. Like, with Suga, they say, I bet he was, wish he was on all of these videos. I said, y'all niggas are off. Yeah, that's bad. Y'all niggas are off. That meme is terrible. Don't do that. Don't do that. Big up to Suga wherever you at, Suga. It's love.

Nah, but that shit was, I mean, shit could have got, yeah, shit could have got hectic. I mean, it was already at that point. Niggas could have shut it down, see? Yeah, it could have got bad in there. Because that was in New York, right? Oh, yeah, at the Garden. That was the Garden. They never gave the Garden back to hip-hop since. Yeah, it could have got bad in there. Because that was in New York, right? Oh, yeah, at the Garden. That was at the Garden. They never gave the Garden back to hip-hop since.

Yeah, we ain't never having no more there. But that was a real dangerous award show, man. It was uncensored, man. No security. That shit was nothing, man. Niggas had guns in the front row. Niggas had guns in the front row. Seek some shits, my nigga.

Like, straight up. Surprise, like nothing crazy popped up. The award shows used to be crazy. It could have. Some motherfuckers were restrained Actually they were restrained Yeah I mean cause a lot of cameras

You know you don't wanna get Put on the spot back then Everything was about Your reputation back then You got your ass whipped In private Yeah that shit would be up For two months later

To write on In the source and the shit You know you don't want Shit like that back then Get your ass whipped in private Yeah Niggas getting Whipped in public now VIP ass weapons You get away with shit now You know what I mean You got all this social media private. Yeah. Niggas getting whipped in public now.

VIP ass weapons. You get away with shit now. You know what I mean? You got all this social media shit. You can't get away with nothing, nigga. No, and another way. You can really explain yourself to some. You got a different kind of footage and all that.

Now you finish anything you do. Back then, you just had one side, one story. You only did it one way. See, nigga, like that. You know what I mean? Boom. Yeah, idiot. Look in front of you.

Nigga walked right into a pole. Look, you bozo. You got to stop it. Oh, shit bad one. You got to stop it. Nigga walked right into a pole. Look at you, bozo. You got to stop it. Aw, shit bad one. Nigga that was on live counting the money and they ran right in this shit. On live. I ain't seen this. I ain't seen that yet. Yeah, it's all over the news.

Nigga been counting money and shit. On Facebook live, police ran this crib. You know, you go back in the closet, pull some more, they came right in. Jacksonville smart. On live. On Facebook live. And they left the live going for like four minutes. We just watched this shit yesterday.

The cop turned it off. You see the cop go up to the phone and turn this shit off. Like, oh, this nigga was taping this shit? Oh, we got him. Is social media ruining hip-hop? Hell yeah, it is. What did you say? Is social media ruining hip-hop?

It's ruining his life, man. It's ruining their life, my nigga. Not just the rap game. That shit ruining life. Them motherfuckers don't know what to do with it, man. Nobody, they ain't they self no more. They don't do it for their fam, they just do it for the gram. They don't do it for their fam.

Niggas take pictures of their niggas' wigs. Ain't nobody living no more. They don't do it for their life, they just do it for their likes. Yo, dawg, this is- You see, you can just snap it. Snap it. This is mine. This Ferrari out here.

Yo, yo, I seen a nigga the other day. Nigga just came up to me, was just like, yo, nigga ain't you see, you can just snap it. Snap it. This is mine. This Ferrari I am. Yo, yo, I seen a nigga the other day. Nigga just came up to me and was just like, yo, nigga ain't say hi. Nigga ain't give me a five. Nigga ain't tell me he like my shit. Nigga. A nigga sneak tape you, though. A nigga be sitting there with his phone up to his face like this.

Yeah, acting like he Texas. Nigga, dawg. Nigga, I see you. My nigga, I'm ready to just, here, peace, my nigga. I see you. Nigga was doing that yesterday in the joint. Like this one's falling.

My nigga, what are you doing? What's that, 3D? What the fuck is going on, my nigga? The Oculus. Nigga got a remix. Just ask for it, my nigga. We cool niggas. We're doing it.

And that's what makes the game like, oh, there's some niggas that's not used to that type of shit. Like, don't cool with that. Like, I'm noticing niggas that's not used to that type of shit. Like, don't cool with that. Like, I know some niggas that's not nice like that. You can't just walk up to them and do that. Nah. They just smackin' your phone down.

Nobody should be used to that. Yeah, you can shop for breaking a nigga's screen today right now. They'll smack a nigga's phone down. I see Missy Elliott security on the... Back in the days, Chokeslam the girl. Who? Missy Elliott security. Oh.

Oh. It's big. Chokeslam. Oh, let's big up Tyler to create a security. What happened? Why did you say that? Why did you say he was cool? Not really?

I don't know, man. You ever meet somebody and you just don't know? Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, that's all I can say about that moment. What gave you the I don't know? It was like just mad. Like, you ever meet them? Like, I know me and him have nothing in common. What, did he give you a cold handshake? I don't you the I don't know? It was like just mad. Like you ever meet them

like I know me and him have nothing in common. What did he give you? A cold handshake? I don't know. I don't know. It's just like I don't think you meant

to get along. It's just cool. Like I accept that. Like you know I just can't get along with everybody. Sometimes you ain't no foot with everybody.

It was like Hennessy and milk. Like don't go. You can still drink it. It's not a cool. You can take that. If you can take that you can still drink it. But yeah and I cool. You can take that. If you can take that, you can still drink it. But yeah, I was just like, and the security just kept looking at me because the security

felt like I felt awkward. And they're just like, I feel awkward. I might be aggressive. So I had to relax. So I relaxed myself. It's good to relax yourself. I get like that now though. I'm a very professional when it comes to the music.

Very cool guy. You could hit me with the stuff. You could do all that shit with me now. But I'm a little older now. I get irritated by that shit.. I'm a very professional when it comes to the music. Very cool guy. You can hit me with the stuff. You can do all that shit with me now. But I'm a little older now. I get irritated by that shit. No, you got to get irritated. You got to get irritated. Sometimes you don't want to do that.

They got to come up to you respectably, man. They got to say hi, how you doing? Like, people got no manners with that shit. You could be sitting there eating. It's disrespect Snapchat. I was out to Cleveland to eat, and I got my knife and fork, and this came up. Yo, yo, dog, get out of here. Like, come on.

I don't even ask. At least say, call me, I know you're eating. Then give me a choice. I want to go eat my food. Yeah, I might want to do it. Yeah, give me the option. They shouldn't do nothing that they wouldn't want done to them. They don't want while they're eating a camera come up in their face and shit.

Now, I'm flipping on you. Because, like, we got to be used to, you've always been like a DJ behind the scenes. Yeah, totally behind the scenes. And now you're up front. I see Nas come up to you. I see these. Well, they're not at Miami. Nas, what's up, buddy? Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, Nas. You, totally behind the scenes. And now you're up front. I see Nas come up to you. I see these... Well, then I don't know. I mean, Nas, what's up?

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, Nas. You got the Nas Snapchat. You got to relax on that one. But listen, but how's that been lately? Like, when people are coming up to you? You're a celeb now. You're popular now.

Honestly, I don't know, but people have been respectful. Right. So far. So far. So far. Because you got the Cuban face on. You look like you headbutt somebody. It's true. It's true. And you get far. Because you got the Cuban face on. You look like you headbutt somebody.

It's true. It's true. And you get drunk. They see what you're doing. I went to TSA the other day in New York. In New York. And the dudes were behind the glass joint, the TSA dudes, and they just went to me. I'm like, yeah, I got a drink chance.

What's up? It's a beautiful day. It's a beautiful day. I'm getting a lot of that. It's a beautiful day. You got to get used to that. But if you come to me disrespectful, trust me, the white beard don't mean shit. And then Pharrell tried to convince you in the studio.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pharrell tried to convince you in the studio to get on his side. No, I wasn't on his side. Nah, come on, man. You think that he was intimidating me? No, I never said that. I just said that. I believed his side.

I was on his side to make your record better. I got to relax. You got to relax. Relax. He got chill. He got chill. He got chill. I never said that. I just said that. I believed his side. I was on his side to make your record better. I got to relax. You got to relax. Relax.

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We had an epic debate slash argument. Let me tell you. Retargment. To everybody. In the studio with Pharrell. To everybody who is in the, I have not had the bug for music for quite some time. I've been, you know,

falling back, enjoying my different life, another life. Different life. But I spoke to Pharrell. It was so dope. Sponsors. I knew I was going to be his. That's you?

How much you got for that? What? I don't know. Oh, hang on. That's my part. I've been drinking this all my life since I was a baby. Tell me something there.

Come on, baby. No, no, let me just say something. So, there's different phases in different producers' lives that they go through. And I feel, I could be wrong, every time Pharrell gives me one, he has one of the craziest ones ever. And I feel, I could be wrong, every time Pharrell gives me one, he has one of the craziest

ones ever. And even if it don't work, if you notice, like every time he gives me one, he has a crazy run. You know, I'm dyslexic,

so am I fucking yelled up? No, no, no. He gives me one, he has an ill run. Like, whether he gave me works or not, I just feel like

maybe it's me in my head Just thinking I've become a nigga successful You know what I mean Maybe it is Or maybe it's not Oh god Maybe I am

Maybe But Listen His energy right now Is so good It was so Like the first day Was awkward

The first day Was awkward You know Cause I ain't seen a nigga In six years You don't see a nigga In six years It's just always awkward a little bit.

It's just like, all right, cool. Yo, you still all right? I still. You? You still go in? Yeah, that's still my thing. You know, it's awkward for the first, you know, couple hours. But the next day, he drank with us, had some red wine.

He went in. He went in. And he came in. He chilled with us. He rode his bike around the studio. It was weird. It was weird. It was weird. And I'm like, this is us. Our combination is weird.

Our combination is weird from the beginning. But he finally gave me a girl record. So I definitely sold out. I just want to throw that out there. I sold out. It's a big record. I definitely sold out. I just want to throw that out there. Stop calling it a girl record. I sold out. It's a big record. It's a big record. I wanted to sell out. I was there with the chain. You gave Pharrell that other side.

You rubbed it all on records, dog. Here's the crazy shit, C. For years I felt like he's been coming into my world. And the thing about that, us as being street dudes, that world is going to always be there for me. I don't have to always please that world. Sometimes I want to go to your world. That's a fact. You be high waters, you different. Like that nigga got high waters on.

That's hard. You take him to your world. That's hard. I can't even put on a pair of high waters, y'all. They don't fit me, y'all. It's not that I don't dance because i don't want to i just ain't got that much rhythm i got a mean two-step you gave him something crazy i got a mean two-step now it's a big record it's a big it's the biggest record of my career and we

got to see pharrell's genius and we got to see his genius. He did everything for me on the spot. And I just wanted to send some positive energy. We've been speaking since then. He's been calling me, telling me about how we want to go to Puerto Rico for the video. So it's dope. Take me there, baby. Take me there with you. It's dope.

It's dope. So I want to big up Skateboard Pete. So if you guys hear this, Uno Mas is the name of the record. We doing some real shit. You know what I'm saying? That's what's up, man. I fuck with that. So now, is C's dropping an album on D-Block? I just feel like it feels like that.

Wow. We're working right now. Let's do it in the air. Throw it. Let's do it. I got some fulfillments that are all big. Let's just say it like that. You were talking about that earlier.

You know, D-Block can go straight digital right now. That's really Empire cutting the bread, dude. They are hot. Shout out to them. I think he knows this. I think he's not different. He's like, I already know this guy. Empire show love.

Yeah, shout out to them. Shout out to Proud. Shout out to them. Shout out to Noity. Shout out to... Now, last time... Shout out to... Last time, Kiss. No, I did. Last time the locks was on here, Styles was independent. Yeah. Sheik was in the middle.

Kiss was major only. Straight. Where's Kiss at in life right now? Straight major. Straight major. You want that? You want that bad. Give me the pay.

Yeah, I want to go back. I ain't going to lie. I'm still with you. Independent. Yo, major. Major deal money is different. I just did that King and I promo with Faye. She had, it was a major deal.

She's on a major right now? Yeah, Rhino. Rhino is through. Oh, Rhino. They bought the Masters to the B.I. shit. That's how she got, that's how she did the whole. I was wondering how that went down. King and I shit.

Well, we. I think they own CNN shit. It was a budget. You know, when you got that major deal, that budget, you get the Vans. Right, those Warner Brothers, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That's okay.

They own CNN shit. I got to go negotiate with them niggas, yeah. Yeah, I want the War Report back. Let me buy that. So you know the difference when you're doing, you know that difference. That's all I want, the War Report back. But it's different in the percentages, too. Of course. You want to own your own That's all I want. I'm the war report back. There's a difference in the percentages, too. Of course.

You want to own your own album? Hell yeah. Your first one. Is your first album always the most special? It is the shit that got us in the game. You know that. Now, you like me. You got a first group album and a first solo album.

I want both of mine, y'all. You want both? I just want those two. You can have everything else. So what, phone gets nothing? You just want to own it outright? I'm sorry, man. That's the way it is.

I just heard you say me. Me. Me. Me. There's a fact. I would love to own We Are The Streets, and I would love to own Kiss of Death, though. I could get the masters in there. I only have one album.

You just got a Michael Jackson that shit. You want to own it? Craig Calvert will give it to you. We getting that. Craig Calvert will give it to you. I have one album. You just got a Michael Jackson that shit. You want to own it? Craig Calhoun will give it to you. We getting that. Craig Calhoun will give it to you. I want one album. I want mine. I want that album.

Because I didn't think my album was that good. I didn't think it was that good. That shit was a classic. That was a classic. I didn't think my album was that good. Yeah, Kiss wasn't here when we said that earlier. It was a classic though. That's a fact.

I didn't think that. But after the years went by and sitting with a nigga like this, top five, sitting with somebody like you, I'm like, and niggas go, yo, you got a dope album? Nah, that's real. All right. That's real. And it reflected what B.I.G.'s next project would have been. Like, it reflected that.

Like, it totally felt like that. It felt like an offspring of big shit. And that was my challenge because that was my first time really, like, happened to use everything that Big taught me for the first time. And Craig Cameron was at Atlantic then? Yeah, he was. He was a part of that? That album for the first time and Craig was at Atlantic then yeah he was a part of that album was on the Queen B and it was the Atlantic that was my album doing it without Craig being there so that was my first time like trying to learn everything and really put it together and I put a dope ass album together

no you didn't that came through for me for that shit, too. You know what I'm saying? Thank you, my niggas. Uh-oh, that's the Happy New Year's joint. Where that joint at? Uh-oh, they got Tiger Bone. Oh! Oh, shit. I didn't even want that shit to show up. Y'all didn't make that up, right? Where that come from?

We made it. We made it. Hooch. It's Hooch, nigga. Oh, man. It's Hooch. Shout out to Eddie, man. It's Monday.

Oh, yeah. We're going to get into that Eddie and Branson. That's how I keep up in the lobby all the time. Listen, a lot of people don't know. And we're going to get into that Eddie and Branson. That's how I keep bumping into you all the time. Listen, a lot of people don't know. And we're going to get into this. Why do we stick forever, dog? I do take a shot. All of us.

Listen, me, I used to see Cease and Big and Branson more than I've seen them in the industry. Three more in the morning. Like, yo, I swear to God, I went there one time. Payne was behind the counter. I said, you got that right like this. Red Mangs, you do that shit too. They can be right behind the counter. In the Wii spot. This is Biggie. And I'm, you got to relax. Red Man can do that shit too. They can be right behind the counter.

In the Wii spot. This is Biggie. And I'm not talking little Biggie. I'm talking Platinum Biggie. This nigga's Platinum. Wait, wait. So our listeners, is this this dude that was portrayed in Half-Baked? That character? I felt like they were trying, but Branson didn't look like

that. He definitely, he did have dreads though. So was it inspired by that? I look like that. He definitely, he did have dreads, though. So was it inspired by that? I guess it was. Samson, you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It happened, right? Branson, Samson. Yeah, yeah, I guess it was.

But, yeah, that's how I used to roll. But Big, they made that over Branson? Yeah, I think so. I think so. The Samson character, though. And I'm going to tell you, Big was the first person to put me on the hash oil. But I'm talking about, this is back then. Like, hash oil is popular now. He had on the hash oil. But I'm talking about this is back then. Like, hash oil is popular now.

He had liquid clear hash oil. My nigga, that shit had me tall the fuck up. B-I-G, my dude. I meet and spot with the tunnel, man. That's a tunnel. A lot of people don't know this, neither. Drunk-ass Queens niggas. Yo, a lot of niggas don't know this.

I used to see Big in the tunnel with just him and C. He's my nigga. This nigga's double platinum, y'all. He's there, just him and C. I'm not supposed to be in that motherfucker, dog. I'm 16 years old.

I'm not supposed to be in that motherfucker, dog. I'm not supposed to be in the tunnel. Driving, we used to run around with this nigga. He used to run around

with about 50 Queens niggas. Now, let me just say something, right? You gotta take a shot. Come on. You gotta take a shot. All right, yeah, we all gotta be say something, right? You got to take a shot. Come on. You got to take a shot. All right, yeah, we all. I got to be in, too, huh? I guess I can.

We don't have to. We don't have to do this. Look at Kiss. Look at Kiss. We don't have to do this. Did you see Kiss's movement just now? I'm not doing it. This side of the table's not doing it.

Did you see Kiss's movement? It was like, I'm out. Pick up the Benji Delight, by the way. You want a shot, Twin? Come on. You come in here for a second, mate. Come on, T. Can you come on, come on, Twin?

I'm giving my shot. No, we can't do it. No, you got to take it, though. Come on, dog. I can't. We celebrating the light. Come on, dog. I can't.

This is a special one right here. This is a special one right here. Me and my dog got like, yeah. We had a war. Yeah. We had a war. Me and this thing right here, dog. Wait, how we squashed it?

Wait, we got to talk about it. Wait, wait, wait. Let's tiger bone it first. All right. Yeah, we got to tiger bone it first. All right. Yeah, we gotta tiger bone first. Sounds weird. But we gotta... No, because, listen,

how we squashed it was ill. You know what I'm talking about? In the courthouse. In the courthouse. Look, we both got the same lawyer. We in the papers, kids. We in the papers, kids. 21 and Johnson

signed a hot 9-7. But we got the same lawyer. Niggas is like like y'all gotta talk And we don't listen kiss me why you made it to the courthouse we got a celebration Come on I don't want to celebrate no more. I'm getting pussy tonight. Oh, I'm getting pussy tonight. You got to get some pussy tonight. I'm getting some pussy tonight. So let me just say, for the record, I'm getting some pussy tonight. That shot, you better get some pussy tonight, you drink that.

The most embarrassing beat I ever had was with you guys. It was embarrassing because how cool we was. We ain't supposed to have no beat. We wasn't supposed to have no beat. Well, let's reel it back. Reel it back. Why? Why the fuck did that even happen? Did I say it? Let me, this is where I come in. That's the ref coming in. It's the ref. It's't supposed to have no beat. Well, let's reel it back. Reel it back. Why? Why the fuck did that even happen?

Did I say? Let me, this is where I come in. That's the ref coming in. That's the ref of this right here. The song Bang Bang. Yes. Right. And I was in the studio session.

It was a beautiful song. I love that song, though. That's what's so crazy. That is right. Because the song is going great. It's a fox come on, and her part's beautiful, but the bad thing is she's just talking about, you know, the family. Right. But. Right. It had nothing to do with us. Yeah. Fox come on and her parts beautiful, but the bad thing is she's just talking about the family.

Right. Right. It had nothing to do with us. Yeah. Nothing to do with us. Nothing to do with us. And the crazy shit was Puff told me, Puff said, yo, you shouldn't have let her diss me on your joint.

And I never looked at it like that. Because Quiet Storm, I think Quiet Storm had came up before that. So she used us. Yeah. I don't know. We can cut this out if you don't want to see it. No, no, no. So she used us. Yeah. We can cut this out if you don't want to see it. No, no, no.

I love Foxy. I was in Criterion Studios, which you were showing me Foxy's verse. Well, no, it was bad. And you said, you was like, ooh, shit. You were like, oh, shit, she's going in. Yeah, it was bad. It was a different version.

It was worse. It was a different version? It was a worse version. There actually was a worse version. She had six verses It was a different version? It was a worse version. It actually was a worse version. She had six verses. So I heard a crazier version? I think you heard a crazier version, brother. Yeah.

I think you didn't hear the final. I didn't hear that one. I don't know. I tried to dumb it. Listen, because I know people have been hitting Foxy up every time we say her name. This is in respect to her. No doubt. We all didn't know.

We was young. We were young people. We didn't know. We was young. We were young people. We didn't know. And it was two girls. They were both bosses. They were both our people. And had teams behind them, too. Had teams behind them.

And we weren't playing. They were playing. With all due respect to both of them. You know what I'm saying? With all due respect to both of them. So something happened in front of Hot 97, right? Whatever, right? So, man, this is a crazy shit.

We know what happened. Oh, you can't hear me? Yeah, we know it. Come on. It's a tie, this is a crazy shit. We can do it. Oh, you can't do it, bud? Yeah, we know it. Come on. It's a tie. Everybody know about this shit. Everybody know about it. Google it!

Yeah. Get your Googles! But so now, the beef is circling. Niggas is like, yo, yo, but we know we got to speak to each other. But we can't hit each other. We both got the same lawyer, Bob Kalina. We in court one day for both of our case the same day.

Yeah, Bob, we both got arrested. I walk in and see this, this after we all had a Malay. We in court. You walk in, I look at you, look at me. You know, he's the one that's got hair on us. The same displacement as me. By the way, same displacement. Now it's just like, sit next to me.

What up, dog? Oh, shit. I'm out of control. I'm out of control. The tiger hit me. It was crazy. I'm like, this is some real mafia shit, though. This is how the mob niggas meet. Like, yo, nigga. Yeah, I seen it. It was crazy. I'm like, this is some real mafia shit, though. This is how the mob niggas meet.

Like, yo, nigga. I seen Sopranos once. They met each other at the airport. Because they met him after the mental detector. Yeah. So you know it was good. So you know it was good. What we do is have a fight.

That's it. What can we do? I know you don't want to say specifics. We can't. No, no, we won't. We won't. But let's just explain. Shots fired.

Shots was fired. Period. Yes, it was something crazy. In front of Hot 97. In front of Hot 97. Shots fired. My records banned. In case someone didn't know.

Pull his records. Did they pull your records? Yeah. He didn't play for two years. Pull your records. It changed Hot 97's protocol. And to tell you the truth, to tell you the truth,

if Power 105 at that time, if Power 105 didn't exist, I don't think Hot would have still forgave us. What happened was, Hot realized who did whatever, whatever, and then they put us back. Then they said, okay, but to tell you the truth,

let's bring up the Hot 97, but why did they do it? The weak power rose. Like the weak power came. Because remember, we didn't have power when this shit happened. They knew we had problems with each other. And they booked us. Wait, you say it's a conspiracy theory?

Yo, no. We was from 12 to 3. I don't know. And they was from 3 to 5. Let's start the rumor. And they already know. We had records out. Right.

We already were expecting to see them, nigga, as soon as we come out. We leaving the station. They going to come in. Yep. What show were y'all doing? He just said it. It's 3 to 5. We was 12 to 3, and they was from 3 to 5.

Who's the host of the show? I believe we was Clue, and y'all was somebody else, right? Yeah, yeah. Because it was like a Memorial Day weekend. It was one of them weekends. And it was different people coming up. Why would you set up something like that for like, and y'all already know the situation.

It did. No, no, no, think about it. It's a conspiracy. No, no, you never thought up something like that? And y'all already know the situation. It did. It's not a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy. No, no. You never thought about it like that? It's a conspiracy. I'm like, yo, after all the shit that's been transpired, we like, yo, did they do that?

They knew the situation. This shit was going on. This was world going on. This shit was. Nah, I agree with you. We knew they was going to come there. And we knew they was going to be there too. They knew we was going to be there.

We all, we was all right. Both record yeah he won this one that did no he's never showed up I was I saw no reason court yes I see them in court after you had a good corporate no cases but the crazy same lawyer here's the crazy shit. When they came for the Hot 97 shit, they had locked a couple of niggas up on the spot. What happened was we didn't know we had the same lawyer. So I had to send the lawyer down. It's not Bar-Kalina, right?

It's Bar-Kalina. Bar-Kalina, dog. They did the same shit. Bar-Kalina, dog. He was great. He had the whole case, kids. He said, I'm doing this. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. That shit was so crazy. He got the whole case, kids. He said, I'm doing this.

That shit was so crazy. He got egged by out of jail that day. That shit was so crazy, the feds came in and said, you can't be a part of this at all. Yeah, they did it for my case. Because that was super illegal. He got dead for my case, dog. He was in our shit.

Tell him, this case went on for five years, bro. This shit happened with us in 2001. This shit didn't happen until 2005. He was in our sheet. Tell him, this case went on for five years, bro. Like, this shit happened with us in 2001. This shit didn't happen until 2005. Like, you know what I'm saying? But Barclay always said, hey, don't talk on phones. Yep. Save you some money.

Yep. Because that case is still open. Yes, yes. So you're like a mafia. This is what I'm trying to tell you. Listen. Every show I did, put $200 to the side, baby. Hold that, because that case ain't gold. That shit ain't cold case.

Yeah. No, that shit warm. Yo, you can roll with another one. Shit's still crazy. Yo, this is crazy. This is hip hop history right here. Oh, go. I'm the one that...

Yeah. Me and this nigga history here. Yeah. I'll shoot his life. And we always been cool in between and before that. It was just... We understood what happened. But y'all were cool when that happened?

Or did y'all have to... No, we was cool before that. We was cool before that. No, I know before that, but when it happened what happened is we all were cool like when that happened or did you know before that but when it happened did y'all have to know we know we knew immediately whatever that and whatever had happened we need to work that shit out because it was just the fat when the I'm a friend. I don't get fucked with shit and shit every day. Today, dog. That's how we eat. We'll be eating after that. Yeah, this is how we are. I'm going to end the game. No, my nigga, we don't have no problems. What's that shit called now?

I'm going to be honest. Now we're going to party. Cool, let's go. I'm going to be honest with you, E. It's not for everybody, dog. When I got subpoenaed, right, I'm going to be honest with you. I came like 20, 30 minutes early, right? They weren't supposed to let me in the room.

These niggas had a chart like we was the mafia for real. I swear, dog. That black book that ran around the industry? Who did a documentary about that black book? I'll tell you, bro. That state, this is fads, nigga. I walked in on a chalkboard. They had me at the top of this shit.

Then they had these other niggas. Then they had niggas positioned. I said, you got to relax. It's not even that serious this is not what y'all think this is you've been lying what are you doing with me tapes and phone conversations and when you met him here's the crazy shit and this is not like the quote unquote hip hop police no this is the feds now this is the it's the feds. The feds had them. They must have didn't do a show in Queens in two years.

But just maybe Queens, they had the money to pay them. So they bring that up. They're like, no, we ain't do a show in Brooklyn. I said, I don't know if I had on glasses on. But in my mind, I had on glasses. And I said, man, Brooklyn just ain't have the money to pay me, you idiots. Like, I feel like the feds are so smart, they dumb. Like, because the way they had this discussion, like, they really looked at us like we were some mock.

Like, the lawyer, her name is Valerie Amsterdam. Valerie Amsterdam. So I had to get a federal lawyer. I had to get a federal lawyer. I couldn't have a, no. This is your lawyer. This is my lawyer. She had to get a federal lawyer. I couldn't have a, no. This is your lawyer. This is my lawyer now. She had to come to me and say,

are you really like this? Are you Matt Monoriego? Are you like that? And I'm like, you got to relax. It's not, no. I'm a rapper, baby. But they, the way they described us, like we were supposed to go to jail for

50 years they had us and and you know what it is you got prior cases and all that shit so now yes yeah yeah yeah your tax bracket is different so they just looking at you like and then yeah I got man's that you know that's dumb I don't know what these niggas do I don't't know. They trying to put two and two together. They trying to add oil to all of us up. I think me and him meeting in that courtroom saved us from that situation. It saved it all because we had to sat back and I'm like, yo, is these people coming? They like, yo, this feds now. Like, oh no, this is serious. We got to relax. Like, yo, you tell y'all this is relaxed.

That's my friend. They got a chance to see that. We was drinking together in that studio. Feds is FBI. It's FBI. See, what happened is this. What we didn't know is anything that happens on a federal ground, the feds come and take it anywhere. The immigration buildings across the street from Hot 9. Oh, so that made it in their jurisdiction.

So when the state didn't want to carry it on, the feds took over that case. That's why it never went dead. That's why Bob Kalina always said, hey, y'all, that case ain't dead. Save your money. Save your guts. Don't talk.

Don't talk about that. Don't say this. We couldn't say, be careful. That shit ain't over. And we just sitting back, partying, having fun. And five years later, I was on probation. I go to my probation officer one day, they back there.

Serve me minds. Here, show up. Mm-hmm. Damn. Nah, and listen. For the record, for the record. FBI. What the fuck?

About what? Some shit that you don't, forgot you, I don't know nothing about none of that shit, man. That shit don't, I don't know about that day no more. That shit was like five, six years ago. You fool. Yeah, I don't know nothing about none of that shit man. That shit don't I don't know about that day No, that's right five six years ago When I see did do not see what they was trying to say that we were, I calmed it all the way down. I almost agreed with them. Like, yes, I think.

And I'm like, uh-uh. We got to relax. Like, the whole thing had to change. Like, it was so much things But what I'm trying to tell you is They're not playing with us In hip hop So you know

Use me and C Because I don't know about you I can't speak about you And Kim's side But for that whole Two and a half years That I was banned From Hot 97

It was probably the worst money In my life That I was making Because ain't nobody Trying to hire you When you ain't got no record spinning. Like,

this industry is about what do you do right now, not what have you done for me in the past. So, I'm going to tell you as a person that was banned, so,

what happened with Hot 97 is they didn't just ban me from Hot 97, they banned me from MS Broadcast, which means every station, you can't do nothing. We couldn't do't do nothing Like it's the illest shit Promoters don't want to book you either

Because you already know the reputation of But I was fucked up It's a live buddy Or we just carry guns and they shoot up clubs I didn't complain I didn't complain You know but it was rough I don't know how it was for y'all.

No, we didn't complain. We thought it was regular. I didn't complain. It was rough for me. That's supposed to be our image. We're supposed to be like, nah, that's what we do. We rap. We get busy.

But at the end of the day, now clubs ain't booking you. No club want to book you. Can't go nowhere. They grilling you. It's so bad, Kiss, that a club can't book you and even book an ad on Hot 97. We can't say his name. We can't say. So in other states, it was affecting me.

Nobody didn't want to do nothing to you. Because whatever other stations MS owned, and they were trying to book me for a show, they would be like, uh-uh. Like, that was a rough period. Like, I never thought about this in my life. I don't know how it worked for y'all. And that's how that shit fucked that shit up.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we really, we had to work our way back in there. You had to see a lot of plays, a lot of free shows. And you had to get back in with braces of that. You know what I'm saying? But we were smart from the gate. When we saw each other in that court, I changed everything that we did.

My nigga, we got beef with each other. Nah, that's my whole point. Y'all understand what's chilling? We were just in court together doing community service. We both had community service. We got beef with each other. Nah, that's my home. You guys just chilling? Right, right, right. We just in court together doing community service. We have community service? We're in community service. We just didn't come out here for a movie.

I'm not gonna do a movie about this shit, bro. Let's do a movie about this shit. Community service is a movie. Where was the community service at? In Manhattan. We had to clean up the court building or the park. Yeah, yeah. It's your choice.

You want to clean the park or clean the courthouse? I don't want to be outside. I'll clean the courthouse. See, see, see. I'm not going to be outside. I'm going to clean the courthouse. See, see, see. See, see. See, see. See, see. See, see. See, see. Yeah, yeah, it's your choice

And like yo dog we'll be yo, and we went to the studio. Yup. Yup. Yup. Pino Grigio. Drank and we fucked around. I got a call from my lawyer that day, right the day after that. Yo, the fans want you to come in. And they came in and asked me, hey, when was the last time you spoke in a Sol Noriega? What?

What? What? Yesterday? What? Yesterday. We cool as shit. I can't have beef with somebody I'm friends with. Right. I was hanging out with him yesterday. We had Pinot Grigio.

We drank. We went to the studio. Right, right, right. We were just in the records. We coolin'. Right. How can we have a situation if we sittin' there and we kickin' and we chillin'? But that's what you had to do. And look, I want to clarify something because lately you

like well not lately but back then you upon received a bad rap because what happened was on a court going to court right so let me explain from from my point of view I wasn't there so nobody couldn't really subpoena me because my testimony doesn't mean shit cuz I really wasn't there. Right? So they didn't want to subpoena Foxy Brown. But the reason why they subpoenaed Pone and they subpoenaed Seas because Pone and Seas was there. It was there. So the minute you say the government subpoenas you, it's called a government's witness. So people from the hood who don't know no better, they automatically say he's a government's witness.

He's a snitch. That's not the word it is if you don't go what it is is you get you get a list of people who you can subpoena kim could have easily or anybody could easily say i'm a subpoena upon i'm a subpoena and you know what that would have been it would have been the defendant's witness you understand i'm saying oh whatever and whatever that is so they could have got on the stand and said nothing. But nobody covers that part. This is the fact that they, you know. Just the fact that you're living in a new generation where people don't know.

They don't know because you've never been through that. Because these could have got on the stand and said nothing. But they don't care about that. They don't care about that. The fact that you got up there automatically puts you in a predicament. And you have to go. When the feds say, nigga, you got to go, you got to go. There's nothing.

Now, you could go on there and say, I you gotta go. You gotta go. There's nothing. Now, you could go on there and say, I plead the fifth year. You could do all that. Yeah. But you ain't saying nothing to criminate or put nobody in no bad predicament or nothing. I don't know nothing. Nobody got arrested from that situation. No, no, no.

How many people got subpoenaed from that shit? Nigga, 100? It was about 40 on your side? I feel like 600 people got subpoenaed. Yo, this shit was some real- I feel like my mom's got subpoenaed that day. People from Hot 97 got subpoenaed. It's crazy. It subpoenaed. Yo, this shit was so real. I feel like my mom's got a subpoena that day. People from hot 97 got subpoenaed.

It's crazy. It's crazy to anybody. Yo, this shit was a bad situation. But we was not acting like rappers. We was people that act like who we are today. So we ain't drinking and fucking around. This is who we been. That's why our era is the best, because we grew up in a real place.

And you know what's crazy shit was? There's no diss records. There's no tweets. There's no history to our whole shit. There's no, was? There's no diss records. There's no tweets. There's no history to our whole shit. There's no, there's no, like you know, like- There's one incident that- Like you look at people beef, it's like 17 things. Like no, there's just one thing that's done.

We was all street and smart enough to know relax is bigger than us. That's cool. But there's no like diss records and all this. Like nowadays, that's the first thing that happens. They go straight to the studio. We got part one and part two, part three and a diss. Nah, we don't have, we have one part. That was it.

And once we realized what was at stake, we was like, yo, dawg, let's tighten up. We cool. That's my man. Yup. Dawg, we straight. He's blunt with me, my brother. Come on, let's do that.

Let's make some noise for that, god damn it. Look at Kiss. Kiss is like, man, I shouldn't have took that tiger shot. His whole face looks like, I shouldn't have took that tiger shot. Yeah. You changed since the tiger hit you. Now, tiger bone. Let's describe tiger bone for people that listen to this.

Nobody don't want to know what tiger bone is. Nobody don't want to know what tiger bone is. You don't want to do that with me. Because your tiger experience with me It's the crazy. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah, we already did you already blue? No, what's the whole tiger combination with the tiger? Oh the bar in the world. Yeah the ball Yeah, you die right this is around the world those shits is super strong I ain't gonna lie to you now we should try once on the show you come back to life

call seconds though you dead bones disgusting right I'm not the one Amber Rose all died I feel like she almost died. She took it like a true. She did take it like a true. Many shots she did. One? No, one. Yeah, one.

Let's do one more. Let's do one more. I'm in Cs. Oh, god. I'm in Cs. For me and you, yeah. Community service shot. Community service shot.

Community service shot. Community service shot, man. Nah, he, dog. Sometimes I will, but that's a different thing. He had four bad nights. His birthday. Mm, yo, happy birthday, Jadakiss. I totally forgot.

Are you a Taurus? Gemini. Oh, we Gemini. I'm a Gemini, too. May 28. Oh, God. May 27, man. Oh, my girl, May 27.

Oh, God. Oh, shit. You done turned Cuban, I know. Yeah, I love Geminis, man. We the most Geminis in Cuba. We crack people. Geminis are the best people, God. Oh, shit. You done turned Cuban on us. Yeah, I love Geminis, man. We the lost G- We crack people. Geminis are the best people, man. Y'all shit, dog. Y'all shit.

Oh, come on. Let's do it. We done lost Jadakiss to Cuba. I'm losing shot there. Make some noise for Cuba, the crew of Jadakiss. And the black trade. The books of Cuba, man. The race of trade.

All right, I'm gonna go back and jump right here. Thank you. You can't be pouring shots like that, though, Cease. Come on. Come on, dog. You gotta relax. Community service. Those are elephant kills, man. We don't work that though, Cease. Come on. Come on, bro. You gotta relax.

Community service. Those are elephant kills, man. We gotta work with you, Cease. You gotta pour my shot. Wait, give me your shot. I'm only gonna do this one time. This might be the best one, the last one. You gotta do this.

Damn, damn, damn. That was the... That's my bad. That shit is almost as bad as Cease. Yo, Cease. To hip hop, to B.I.G. D.C. Twin. D.C. Twin. D.C. Twin.

I'm only doing it for D.C. That's right. That's right. D.C. Twin, the man. I'll be sleeping the hour. This is for hip-hop. This is for B.I.G. This is for our history.

This is for your history. This is for Kiss history. This is for Crazy Hood history. Hazardous Sound, Rich Bronco history. K. Rosewood, everybody history. This is for crazy hood history. Hazardous Sound, Rich Bronco history, Kate Rosewood, everybody history. Beat the Oz podcast coming soon. No doubt. Need one what?

Yeah, what? Let's go, y'all. Let's go. Nigga got a good new port. Let me get one. Wow, dude. No, no, don't come for that shit. I can say I did it. Oh, man. I did it. I'm not gonna lie, I thought it was gonna get better. It never gets better, man.

We don't even understand what the fuck this shit says on the label right here, man. Shit, shit. That was great. So what's the most girls you and Big trained on the night one day? Jesus, Christmas. I felt like y'all... That was an ill segue. I felt like y'all ran a lot of trains. He didn't answer that, though.

He got from Tiger Bowl to just bone. We just got to go to ball. Yeah, because Big was smashing a lot of things out there. I was so proud of my nigga. One day, and you got to answer that question. One day, one of my men came in, and Big and Jay. You got to answer that question. And Big and Jay took my drug dealer friend. They thought they were balling.

And we were at the club, and then Big and Jay walked in, and he left with two drug dealer bitches from my hood. And I was like, that is good. I want to be a rapper now. Fuck drug dealing. And it was big. So they was taking down a lot of things. Let's talk about that. How much pussy did Big get? And it's big so they were taking out a lot of things yeah, let's talk about that

And you had to run a train with big you had to do it you was I did a few You knock down I can't speak on his shit, but I do why you guys be going to see that's clear Nobody can't get mad at big Who he smash? What celebrity chick he smash? Come on, Cease. I'm not chick. You're not.

You're not. Fuck outta here. Let's do it here. Yep. Just cause I took his double shot. No, no. Don't fall into it. Don't fall into it.

He was trying. No, no. He was there though. He was there. He said, no, no. I can't do it again. I can't do it again. I'm not doing that. No. We're not.

Uh-uh. Man, yeah. You gotta tell us your lives. We have fun. I have fun. What's with the left bitch you stuck? You had to fuck us alive. Tell me who you...

I fucked a few. I'm not gonna say their name, because I'm good friends with them still. Let's hum their song. Let's see if we can guess it. Yeah. Let's hum it. Hum their song. I have my shit.

I have fun. Oh, yeah. Let's make some good. I'm good. I have my share. I have fun. Let's make some good. From those questions, how'd y'all feel? No, no, real talk. No, no, this is serious. I'm going serious.

I'm going serious. He's the serious one. When Shine came in, how did y'all feel about that? When they were comparing him to Big? And was he supposed to be in Junior Mafia too? Nah, nah. He wasn't supposed to be in Junior Mafia. That's a lie? At what point?

That's what I heard. He wasn't around at that time? Nah, he wasn't supposed to be in Junior Mafia. But we ain't never had no situations. But was there any feelings about his comparison to Big or anything? Nah, we ain't never tripped off that. Sean was people's with that. Y'all liked it?

Yeah. No, no. Just clearing it for the people's out there. No, no, no. Daddypped off that. Sean was people's brother. Y'all liked it? Yeah, how about you? No, no, just clear it for the people's out there. No, no, no, no, no. Daddy's out there fighting each other. That was something totally different. I remember. Come on, you know I know. That was something totally different. See?

Put me on, Steve. You know too much. Put me on, Steve. That wasn't that. That was something totally different. Okay, I don't know. It wasn't nothing to do with no personal- I wasn't there neither. It wasn't nothing to do with no personal shit with Sean. Sean was always family with us.

Right. You know what I mean? We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn. We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn. We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn. We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn. We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn. We never looked at that in no way. Sean wasn't there neither. It wasn't nothing to do with no personal shit with Sean. Sean was always a fan with us. You know what I mean? We never looked at that in no way. Sean was from Brooklyn.

Right. He repped that shit. I mean, Big was Jamaican. Sean was Belize. It's still that Caribbean. Right. And we got to go to Belize and check Sean, actually. Yeah, we got to go to Belize and check Sean.

I need that trip. I might need to go to that. Yeah, I need that trip. It was no situation. Sean was always a fan with us. You know what I'm saying? Huh? You going to come back?

Is your passport? You got your green card? Yo, you sure you going to come back? What you doing from Belize? I'm from Cuba, nigga. No, I'm not. I'm not from. I'm Cuban, but I'm not from Cuba.

Trump about to die in Cuba. No, he's going to kill it, man. He's going to die in Cuba, man. Trump is foul. You're Cuban? He's going to die, y'all. My family, I'm Cuban. I was born in LA, but I'm Cuban. Yeah. And I went to Cuba in Cuba, man. Trump is foul. He's going to die in Cuba. My family, I'm Cuban. I was born in L.A., but I'm Cuban.

Yeah. And I went to Cuba. Shit, real. He might not come back. I got mad people in Cuba right now. You poppin' and shit. We got to be careful. The way you said it, I got mad people in Cuba.

Mr. Lee may not come back. Mr. Lee, I'm worried. I can't let Trump do that to my people, man. Kiss, I'm worried, kiss. I don't think he can come back. My people is eating right now in Cuba. Yo, yo, yo. Kiss, I'm worried, kiss. I don't think he can come back. My people's just eating right now. Yo, yo, yo. Eating right now?

Eating real, no, real food. Not eating like the way we know eating. They getting to eat. They surviving. Is Mr. Lee ever coming back? I don't think, I think the Trump position is going to, is going to show up when he puts his fast phone and say, drink 10. It's not allowed

Trump said drink chips is definitely not allowed I'm just saying Mr. Lee be careful he should have hit me I would have said it's not a good idea right now you're not Mr. Lee. And they're going to say, hey, you're not going to the US. And you're not American.

You're going to tell the Russians to relax. And they're going to tell them to go back. They're going to say, you staying in. That got. Nigga. This is real. Y'all don't want no problems with none of that shit. Don't go.

But you came back from Aruba. We spoke about that earlier? Or we spoke about that outside? No, you spoke, don't go on. But you came back from Aruba. We spoke about that earlier or we spoke about that outside? You spoke about it here, baby. Oh, he was in Aruba. He didn't even know I said it. I did. He spoke about that here? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yes. I don't want no problems with none of that shit, dog. Yeah, yeah. Green cards is real. I don't buy liquor. I don't buy cigarettes. I don't buy none of that shit when I'm over there, dog. Yo, every time we travel, where's Drain at?

Uh-huh. Drain gets pulled over by the immigration. Yo, you got that 100 passport. You got to relax. Because he's British. Because he's a British citizen. Anywhere they got to ask me for my passport, you got that 100 passport. You gotta relax. Because he's British. Because he's a British citizen. Anywhere they're going to ask me for my passport, I'm nervous, sir.

I use my license. I thought about that. If I can't use my license for nowhere I got to go, I'm nervous. Yo, bro, we come from out of the country. Trump might ban you, Drain. You better relax. We come from out of the country. You got a blue passport, but it's not our blue.

No, and she don't work. Don't work. We go home, and I'm in the crib, and Drain's still there. I see what you're saying. It's not R Blue. No, and she don't work. Don't work. We go home, and I'm in a crib, and Drake's still there. She was there for you. I don't like that shit, bro. It's R Blue, right? It's like off blue.

It's like English blue. You're like, oh, nigga, you from London? You think you better than us? They gonna get you, Jerry. You don't believe in black British. What is this?

You know what you gotta do? When you fly domestic, you gotta get a Miami Jerry. You don't believe in black British. What is this? You know what you got to do? You got to get a Miami ID. Stop pulling out that thing domestically. You got to get that U.S. citizenship. Fuck that. Oh, you're not a citizen, y'all? That's what I just said. Oh.

Yo, Ross, how you doing? Ross, how you doing with your citizenship? You a citizen? Yo, yo. We got some illegal aliens out here. Yo, yo, yo. Doing shit. Scam.

Scam made our logo. Scam made our logo. Scam, he's illegal. When Trump got elected, he called me, yo, how do I get my citizenship? I said, bitch, where you from? He said, I'm Jamaican, yo. I don't got citizenship.

I said, you mean the hell you're a Jamaican? I don't know what that shit is about. Chris, Chris, you born in the US, Chris? Yeah. That yay sounded illegal. Jerry, I think you're safe. Where my Boris? No, Boris is going down.

Where Boris at? Boris is a resident. You going to jail, Boris. Where you at? Yo, come here. Where you from, Peru? Them niggas ain't got no time for Peru. Come over here. If you don't make sense, niggas ain't got no doubt for Peru. Come over here.

If you don't make sense, you can't stay. Come over here, boy. I just want them to hear your accent, nigga. Forrest, come on, man. He's going. They going to fish fry this nigga. Oh, man. Holmes.

Holmes. Tell them where you from in Peru. Your hood and all that. Callao. What? What? Wait, where? People. Oh, tell them where you from in Peru. You're holding all that. Yeah Where my hoodie in Peru sky yeah, that's my little bro. I'm my little bro. He said, y'all be blowing my shit up. Get me the fuck out of here. That's what he said. Get me out of here. We're too good? We're too good?

I'm scared of shit like that. Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico about to get deported as an island, man. I think they about to cut Puerto Rico off. Yeah. They about to go bankrupt, the whole island. Who? And Trump's going to be like, deport them.

Trump want some bullshit, my nigga. He don't fuck with none of us. Yeah. I don't fuck with Trump, man. That isn't Jamaicans. We in trouble right now. We're all fucked, man. We're in trouble right now. We be all right.

We be all right. It's more of us than them. That's crazy, though. Yeah. We be all right. We just got to keep fighting. Got to stay here. Stop promoting that nigga.

Everybody be promoting Trump too much, man. That's how he won. I'd never put a meme up on that nigga, even if it was funny or whack. Everybody promoted him by putting that shit up, my man. I never put nothing up on him. Yeah, but you're giving him less. Even if it's a funny meme, stop giving him attention. And people don't see shit like that.

Not because of dudes that support him. They get more fire when they see people dissing him. They go in even more. It's always awkward when I walk through the airport and I see somebody with Make America Great Again. It's like, I just know I don't get along with you. So I just automatically go to the other side of the bar. I'll be like, oh, shit. I'll sit down.

I'll be like, hey, buddy. I'll be like, oh, no. Money, whatever. And I just go to the other side of the bar. And it's always like the whitest of the white guy. It's like, you know, he don't like hip hop. He just ride camels and cows. Camels?

He ride camels. I mean, horses. I don't know. It got weird. Definitely no camels. Yeah, it got weird. Not camels, yeah. Definitely no camels.

Definitely not. But it's all good. That shit be whack. That's why we can't, you know. We help him. Definitely no camels. But it's all good. That shit be whack. That's why we can't, you know. We helped him. We helped him win. Well, it wasn't we.

Our system was already broken, and that's why he won. Duh, but we helped him, too. Everybody thought the memes was funny. Jada, come on. Nigga, when shit got real, when shit got real, everybody was up there talking about, oh, I can't believe he's winning. Why you can't believe he's winning?

You just put up every meme. And I don't think everybody voted either. That was funny. You fucked up about it. I don't can't believe he's running why you can't believe he's when you just put up everything All our people get involved did you vote all of us? Hell no, you know what that's that's there you go. So that's it. You know what? Cuz that shit don't matter to take to my lobby hood I understand but that's the reason why he won too because all of us didn't vote. All of us. We really don't know why. We really don't know why he voted. I voted too. And I didn't want Hillary. And I was like, ah, Hillary. I'm not going to lie.

A lot of people don't know why. When it was Obama, not only did I try to vote, they wouldn't let me, but I brung people out to vote. Like, I didn't do that, this campaign. Well, next time,

we need to fucking do something. I didn't. Like, I had everybody come to Hollywood. I lived in Hollywood at the time. So I had everybody come to Hollywood, Florida. No, Florida. I was like, I never knew that about you. No, you I lived in Hollywood at the time. So I had everybody come to Hollywood, Florida. No, Florida. I was like, I never knew that about you. No, you only been in my house 17 times.

Yeah, but I had lived there that time. And I had set up, you know, my nephew, my wife, everybody, you know, and other people to come in. Oh, what a party. Yeah, to come and vote. You know what I'm saying? Damn that you vote. We had a felony in Florida. So if I didn't, if have had a felony just in new

york they would have let me vote but the fact that i actually you got a flaw in the phone yeah i got a flaw in the phone it's terrible we don't want to talk about it it's terrible what's it called what's it called a felony oh i thought you said a fart felony i was like what i mean i mean let's do that let's have that too let's have that too. Let's have that too. So, C's. What is next? What is next for C's in hip-hop? Wonderful World. This is Leo too.

Oh, shit. For our two. Oh, wow. Hey, get ahead. I got something for you. Get ahead. I got something. But that's my next project I'm working on, though. I got a little project coming out called The Heart of the City.

I'm going to put together this. The Heart of the City? You on that put together The Heart of the City You on that Okay The record we did With Harry Ferrand Okay cool I'll do a new one too Because I feel like that's old

So you know I'm reachable I'll do a new one You'll do a new one No problem Come on No problem We put that together

The first time No problem That's it We got the documentary Coming out for B.I.G For A&E It's coming out And that's it. And we got the documentary coming out for BRG for A&E. It's coming out June 28th for A&E. Yeah, I've heard about that. Dope.

Yeah, we'll be out here next week for the film festival. Okay. For me and doing the screening for it. And did you see the final product? What's the premise of the documentary? Yeah, it's just about B.I. life. Like his life. Yeah, but it's a more exclusive one.

But is it like they investigating a murder on it? Like any angle? It's the day one people from the gate. It's people that you probably never did an interview about big. You won't see on this one. Wow. It's a real dope one. His mom's produced it.

Faith produced it. You'll see his kids. It's a series or it's just one? No, it's just one series that's coming on A&E. It comes out June 28th. All right. We're going to be doing the music conference out here June 16th for it.

I'm working on the Heart of the City project I got coming out. Wonderful World, 6302. What else? I don't know. You know, like I said, I had a session with Pharrell the other day, and Pharrell had told me something very interesting.

He said he threw Happy out six months prior and the record didn't actually work till he actually put out the video. So. With the movie? No, he said the movie was out too. The movie was out. It was always a part of the movie. Yeah, it was.

Okay. And he said the people just called him one day and said, I wanted to do the video. And when he did the video, that visual was actually what made all this come to fruition. A success. Yeah. Do you think our era should be more, not our era, just period. Artists should be more visual driven nowadays? I think so. I think

our history can kind of show people how to adapt to what's going on today. I think our era is more important now than it was when we was living it. You know what I mean? Because we're seeing what everybody's doing today is what we did years ago. Flat tops and Adidas and rope chains.

Rope chains. This is something that lived between our era. I think we just starting to see how important our situation was now. Especially when you see a young cat that's coming up in the game embrace what we came through. Because we come from a different... I was dog. Our shit was real. Think about what we went through. You had to be real.

Come on, dog. It's real for y'all to last this long. Kiss and you. We got to learn how to recreate ourselves and to make ourselves better. And these young niggas could live off of just something that's just media. You know what I'm saying? We really had to hustle and strive and do shit for our shit. And go through real situations.

And I think the new generation, they get an easy pass. Right. Nigga, we still on the line. The new generation get to get their easy pass. Like, remember, you had to have a dope show and all that.

Everything matters. You had to have a dope record. You had to have a dope show. Like, right now, you could be SoundCloud. It's hard to maintain a leverage of being around that long. How many rappers you know today

is going to be around another 20 years? But I think the balance is recreating yourself and not losing yourself. That is the balance. Because a lot of motherfuckers lose themselves. Yeah. But we got to learn how to adapt to something that's totally different that we're not hip for. Right. I want to get up every day and post on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, this and that.

And I got to do too much shit. Like, I want to get up and just smoke, put the record out, send it out this way. I'm way too dumb for Tumblr. I don't know how to do that. I got to relax. He's just thinking of Tumblr. He wants to tumble. But all these shits that my nephews and my people is around,

you got to get on this. And when I post them on Instagram I gotta do I gotta do Twitter I gotta do Facebook I gotta do Snapchat Yeah I'm Twitter and Instagram That's it That's it I'm ADD

And I'm dyslexic That's all I can actually handle That's it But that's our work We gotta do You know what I'm saying Like that's the shit But we didn't have to do

With that type of shit Back then when we came up It was all about Just dope music As long as you was dope We searched for you. Well, actually, you did do it.

You just didn't know it. The label did it as a publicist. There was no social media, but that was the same difference. As a publicist, yeah. As a publicist. The difference now is that it's personalized.

You're doing it for yourself. We went to sound autograph at record stores. Nowadays, you do interviews online. Right, right. It's things that trade. Right. So did streaming hurt the game or help the game, Kiss?

It hurt it for artists, I think. It helped it for the... Is that because they don't got to spend money? For the consumer and all of them. Yeah. But they're saying it's changing now for the artists, that it's helping the artists now. That's what they're saying. Just let me tell you this.

1,500 streams is one record. How did it work? No, no, no. I'm just saying. That's what they're saying. I don't own Spotify. By the way, that's all I know. This nigga can't know what the fuck he talking about.

1,500 streams is one sale. That's garbage, dude. I don't have a check mark on one cell. They got to relax. They got to relax. But what I've heard is that, not heard, this is actually facts. And I never even bring down for that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the devil's advocate right now. I'm like the DA for the artist side.

I'm the devil's advocate. I'm on your side, but I have the devil's advocate. Let's go, man. They're saying that for the first time in years, the record industry has made profits. Now, obviously, that might not mean the artist. No, you just filmed me. Okay obviously, that might not mean the artist. No, you just filmed me. Okay. That definitely don't mean the artist.

That's the CEOs, the producers. And I'm going to tell you where I come from. Everybody, let me tell you where I come from. Good. As the artist, we on the bottom of the, we the bottom. Absolutely. We get the bottom of it. We get the last bit.

Yeah. We get, it's octopus hands in it. And then we get the, what all of that shit's been there. But I'm going to say something. You're also, both y'all, are on the, I'm a major label artist advocate. I want to be on a major. I just want the bag. No, no, listen, listen.

Like Kiss. The reason why I'm saying this is because I manage artists and I and there's some I have an artist signed to strange music tech nine Mm-hmm speak that up these guys in check big up made a fuck attack and they're they're always like Looking at the industry and trying to figure out how they can make money bless you, but they do Yeah, tech nine is an independent that's written is let's damn. They're better than a major. Well, that's Totally I'd rather be on a major absolutely if you don't want you boy, you can't there you go That's that's what he said but But it's fucked up now now I'm spoiled from when

they was giving they was fucking giving us everything but those days don't exist anymore but I still love those days yeah we still gotta

what you mean you can love them you can love them but no we gotta survive they created monsters out of us yeah

come on you should've never gave us the bag but you lose ownership cause at the end of the day given us the bag. But you lose ownership. Because at the end of the day, wealth is built on ownership. No, you lose ownership. You're right.

Wealth is built on ownership. You're right. You're right. But these kids wouldn't know what they... So you're giving up ownership to have those days. But sometimes you can own

something that's worth nothing. No, you're right. But that's the risk of owning. Yeah, that's the risk. That's the risk. And that's what we're saying. That's like real estate. We want to take the risk. Because that's the risk that's the way and that's what he's saying But the new generation don't gotta gamble they know what they gotta do the gavel they should is already The last few projects we dropped as the Lox, we owned it.

We made shit off of it. It's good that we owned it, but it's a flip side. They figured out how to fuck the game now that they let niggas get their masters. It's always a flip side to the whole shit. At one time, it was impossible. Only niggas like Mike Jackson was getting masked. You couldn't do that. Everybody would do that now.

So now that they letting regular black hood niggas get masked, they figured out it don't even mean nothing. It means something to you as the owner of War Report and the owner of We Are The Streets is special shit to us's special shit to us, but the shit is so digital now. Here, Black boy, you can have this. You can have that. We got it. That's why nobody want to sign nobody now.

These new cats chance to rap, but you don't want to sign nobody now. I think what changed that is the fact that anybody can make music right now. It's so flooded. That's true. Your uncle can't record right now. I hear fact that anybody can make music right now. Yeah, anybody can. That's true. Your uncle can make music. That's the problem now. I hear that. Anybody can make music.

So now your shit don't mean shit because there's a million other motherfuckers making shit too. Yeah, I agree with that. And we did our shit from the dirt, dog. We did our shit really from the ground. Music is disposable right now. It's disposable, yeah. See, back then when the album came out, you lived with the album for years.

Getting into a studio was hard back in the days. You got 48 hours listening to Spent. Now you got two days. How about the same shit? Yeah, you got two days. Nigga listen to your shit and they say your shit is a classic. You look at your shit and you got a new one. You're like, relax.

Then they want another one. You know, after two days. You spent nine years making this. Nigga coming three days. Yo, when the next one coming? That's why I'm coming up. I don't make albums like that. Niggas want work from you all day.

Niggas want work from you all day. You look under the comments and nigga want another one. Yo, I like that shit. We didn't know you was coming out. I ain't even, my nigga, I ain't even started working on that yet. Doesn't it have anything to do with the locks, Roger? They just want another one. Everything.

You put out something that look under your comments. Story, what's the next one? Fam, I just dropped this. I just dropped this. And they on you. You promote something. They on your shit every day. Yo, dope, what happened to that Lox and D-Block mafia and shit?

They on you. You can't sell nothing up there and not live up to the expectations of them. Oh, no, definitely. With this era, you can't say nothing's coming out until it's ready. Right. It got to's ready. Right. It's gotta be running. You gotta have your shit done. You're gonna have a whole bunch of comments of, where's that project?

I get that every fifth comment is Freddie and Jason. It's old before it came out. And Steve, you were smashing the shorty from a law, too, right? No, no, no. I don't remember that. No, I wasn't. No. What are you talking about?

Which one from the law? I don't know. Which one from the law? I heard. I heard. You was just going through. Why are you going through notes? Why are your phone is... Let me find these notes. I'm going to find these notes.

Don't find them notes either. I got them. Sure. I haven't done nothing. I was very cool. We'll get it out of you next episode. Next episode. Don't worry.

You're going to preach to me. I'm just kidding, dog. You're going to preach to me. You're going to be this ripple beat that Lil C's crippled. That's what I started the interview with. That's my favorite line. I started the interview with, am I lying to C's and I just say that?

You know what's crazy about that line? Not even that he crashed the car. Ripple with some strong shit. That was a hell of a good pair. That's the shit Fred said. Who was Biggie's favorite rapper in your opinion back then? He a lot. had a lot, right? He had a lot.

Who was he? Neff, Old Dirty. Ove. He fucked with Ove. Ove. Any West Coast artists that he liked? Stu. Stop that, see?

I already did heroin, thank you. That was his name right here. Just the locks. I mean, B, I was a fan of music, my nigga. We listen to everybody, my nigga. You said listen to shit. We listen to shit. I'm a fan of shit, dog.

I can sit there and tell you about a bunch of... I'm a music head, my nigga. I used to come in the studio and Biggie be singing some of our shit that we just laid. He'd come before us. I told him, Big played me T.O. and Y before I even had a concert. You know what I'm saying? He'd own that. You got some new dope.

You hear that? I came in plenty of sessions and they knocking our shit like a raw version of Cann live. Oh, I just took a burp attack a bone It was Big knock Now supposed to be on ready to die. Is that true one more chance, right? What happened with Nas got too high that was One More Chance remix he was supposed to build. No. Yeah, you ever see a clip of Nas in the studio? I gotta relax.

I never heard his story. They was in there smoking and I think that's what... The One More Chance remix with everybody on there as far as you're concerned. If I'm not mistaken, you get into one of them

and Nas got too high. They said, where Nas was high. The problem is he B.I. smoked him out too much and he never laid it. He said that though. He smoked. Weet sucks, man. It's good. Busy be I smoked him out too much and he never laid Any question question house I was like drink champs

Once I got cool with Big enough to smoke and I asked him everything and once I knew he wasn't he wasn't gonna say get the fuck out of here

he asked him once I had the ability to ask him shit I asked him everything you could ask that nigga word to mother as I asked him all kinds of shit

so let's get this story straight one more chance remix session is happening Yeah cause the regular one Is already The regular one Was very tight Who produced that remix

Cause that's such An incredible record Yeah Come on Haz Google it And I feel bad That I don't know Who did that

DJ I don't know who did that I forgot who did that I had a lot of people Which Big L had That same sample The hook you saw Had a lot of people on it

Everybody did that record Over there I ain, you saw, had a lot of people on it. Big L, my, my, my. Everybody did that record over there. I ain't got no rhythm. Such a great record, man. B.I., though. B.I. had records before that, though.

But Nas was supposed to be on that record. That would have been crazy, man. B.I. and Nas was supposed to be into the record. It's that one picture with him and Big in the studio.

You could see all the shit in the studio, but there was no recording from that. But it was also another studio session with Q-Tip. It was a Q-Tip song. Oh, wow. And Nas and Big was on it?

It was Big. It was supposed to be Big, Busta, and- Busta was still sneaking his dick into everything. Busta's the greatest at everything. Busta, you're a war. Busta, I have, ever get to be here. Busta the award. Busta had for being in the game. I watched him. I went to see leaders of the new school with YL in about 11th, 10th grade or something.

For him to still be rocking, have OT, that nigga's a f- He need an award, dog. He got a g- He got a g- You're gonna get Busta Rhymes ain't no whore. He got a time, my man. You gon' get Busta Rhymes over. Hell yeah, you got- come on, dog. What? It says Puff Daddy.

It says Puff Daddy, but this one was- I don't believe that. It was devil. Then it was- Nah. He did that with somebody. He did that with somebody. With Shaw Smith? The Hitmakers.

Oh yeah, that's what it is. That was- there was a lot of producers at that time. But I respect you, Puff. There was a lot of shit going on there. I can't remember- Let's go. I understand. I woulda done the same thing. I woulda done a lot of shit of that time. There was a lot of shit going on there. I can't remember. I understand. I would have done the same thing.

But them remixes came. That was secondhand shit. Like the Ready to Die album was something totally different. Like Easy Mo B did a whole album. Yo, shout out to Easy Mo B, man. Easy Mo B. He was with Pac Heavy, too. That's how Big and Pac got cool. That's how they had relations.

That's what I heard. I just learned something new. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we got a big EZ-Mo B up. Think about it, EZ-Mo B did damn near 80% of Ready to Die. Warning, Machine Gun Funk. And we need EZ-Mo B on here.

What's the album that Pac had? It's the same thing. He did Temptations, he did Running from the Police. The only Big N' Pac record that was fun. EZ-Mo B was the one that glued that shit together with Big N' Pac. And Stretch, R.I. Easy. Moby was the one that glued that shit together with big and pop and stretch All right, P stressful. I know sports. Yeah, please stress

It's a lot of history from that shit my it's a lot of shit the regular like now cuz I can't come off head with That shit, but tiger bone fucked it all up tiger bone Every got a party tonight too, so I gotta make to make sure. We got to balance. I got my wife dinner. I'm out of line. Shout out to Blackbird. We have Blackbird right now. And my man, Jerry. Jerry, you want to give this up?

Blackbird and Larry. I thought we took care of that first. My bad, Jerry. I'm sorry. But now, let me ask you. Rizzo produced on Life After Death, right? Yeah. And that was awkward because it seemed like Ray and-

Ray, I'm a nigga. Nas and Ghost. Yeah, on Ray's album. It was Ray and... Ray out of Niggaz. Nas and Ghost. Yeah, on Ray's album. It was Ray and Ghost. You said Nas and Ghost. No, they were talking about that whole... Yeah. That was on Ray's record.

That was on Ray's record. That was the only bill for Kimberly's shit. On that album. Nas is on that record. No, the record that Ray's after that. Verbal Intercourse. Verbal Intercourse. yeah, you're correct. But what I'm saying is, so how, was that awkward, getting RZA in the studio?

Because... Nah, B.I. ain't tripped off that shit. Right. B.I. knew just that, it was just a situation, man. He understood what it was. We was bumping that album, my nigga. B.I. knew about that shit and they knew about it. And after the Source Awards, we supposed to have met that day at the tunnel. Alright. And, you know, after the Sauce Awards, we was a met that day at the tunnel.

All right. Ray Kwan and them at the Sauce Awards. You know, that whole shit. Our beef, we didn't have nothing to do with the Death Row beef. Our situation that day was with Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang that day. Wow. No, Cease, you're giving us this.

No, no. What's going on, Cease? Give us this. I don't no beef shit but you know they had that they had that shit that skit

that was our first time with us seeing everybody together but it wasn't cause of that skit yeah oh right and that's the first time Big was not

kicking with Rick Warren that day Rick Warren was like yo we gonna meet at the tunnel we never wanted to go into the club that day but that's the first time Big

that's the first time we, that's the first time we had interactions with them. Besides, Mef was always our nigga. Mef was always cool with us. We always fucked with Mef.

But Big used to fuck with them. There's footage on YouTube with Big bumping that album. So, Big thing was never aggressive. It wasn't no aggressive shit. Big would just see a nigga and go,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,

yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,'s up? Nigga, I fuck with you. What's good? Yeah. Yo, my nigga, I ain't know you. Yo, dawg, we're going to meet later. Let's kick it. Right. But that was our real situation.

That whole Death Row shit was just something that just happened from that. You know what I mean? But that was other situations that was going on around that time or that source of all shit. That was the first hip hop awards show. There was a bunch of niggas running around, beefing and bugging about shit like that and we talking from a perspective like we just reminiscing it's not nothing to rehash you know what I'm saying like these are just real situations that's why I was really the dopest ever dog you had to be about that shit

and be real and authentic about that shit but then Big got RZA on the album come on it was all the love it was all respect it was just about sometimes about that shit. Rob Markman But then All right. Come on, dog. Big seemed like he was smarter than all of us. Like, meaning, like, he knew, like, you know what I mean by that? He seemed like he was hella mature for a minute. Like, he was way more mature than the whole culture. He just seemed that way. Yeah. Niggas said shit about V-I.

Like, he saw the big picture. He didn't trip off that. You know what I'm saying? He didn't trip off that. See, Jay seemed like he petty. Jay still go. Jay still be going at niggas. Niggas that spilled orange juice on his third grade sneakers.

He go at him sometimes. Jay, I respect your pettiness, Jay. But y'all niggas can laugh. Come on, nigga. You don't got to be scared of Jay. But Big C, man. It was real shit. They was both two different people.

Big didn't stress about dissing people. Even if you said something about Big, he wouldn't even stress it. But he'll light tap you without you even knowing. Right. It's Matt Rouse. He tackled niggas, isn't it? Nobody won't know. Right.

You got to figure out that shit. But that's how he figure out when niggas talking about him. Nobody never blatantly says something about Big, but Big read between the lines because he's an artist. He a nigga that tune and tune. He a artist. Yeah, he's a rapper. He listen to everything.

He study it. That's why you got greats like this. This is why you got niggas that live that long, because we study this game. You got to be a part of this shit. You got to be a student of the game. You got to be. You won't never know how to come about it if you ain't... You won't understand it, my nigga.

You got to be a student of the game. You got to be. You won't never know how to come about it if you ain't, you won't understand it, my nigga. You got to love this motherfucker. I ain't know why Big would say certain things, but he understood shit that I didn't catch. Dope niggas is dope. Like, you may not understand what y'all about. You made words up, right? I'll make it up today, nigga. No problem.

Make one up. I'm not going to buy a ping pong. No, no. That's my word. Ching Chong. That's my sentence. Ching Chong. Sing song. I like that, sing song. No, no, that's my word. Sing song. That's my sentence. Sing song, sing song. I like that one.

Let's go, baby. That's his cousin. That's his cousin. Sing song, sing song. Wow. Hey, a ping pong, sing song, sing song. No, sing song.

We just created shit. You know what I'm saying? Let's do it. It's certain people that created something that made landmarks, my nigga. You ain't got to be the biggest shit ever,

but your landmark stamped you for being what you stood for. You know what I'm saying? That's what it's about. God damn it, Ceeze. That was so big. Thanks so much.

I'm not going to lie. The only problem I'm having right now is I can't leave on two. I'm drunk as shit. Can't leave on two. Three is my lucky number. I can't leave on two. I'm going to urinate and then I'll come back. No, let's get to three and then we urinate.

Yo, yo, Kiss, you got to relax. You got to urinate too? Come on, Kiss. You're going to start spreading the rumor that you own Happy Dream Chaps. You've been on here like seven times. You could have 25%. I'll give you 25%. Listen, Kiss, you an alcoholic too.

You've been fighting it. But I just want to put you on. Any nigga that been over there seven times. Like the drink. This is my first time. You like the drink, Kiss. Come on, goddamn. It's annoying.

Oh, you love us. Oh, you love us. I love y'all. We love y'all. We love y'all. We love y'all. Okay, I got more questions, nigga. How many more?

So he's got a top five? I got a top ten. I don't got a top five. Okay. Cause five is hard. It's a lot. I'm a music head my nigga. I fuck with a lot of people. I can't. You want to know my top ten? Mm-hmm. You got a G rap. Cool G. Kane. Mean. Starting off mean. Kane. Kane.

Kane. That's my nigga. Yeah, Kane. Kane. And G-Rap. Kane, fuck Madonna. You got to respect that. Kane was the shit, bro. Kane was bomb.

I fought a lot of other niggas. Kane is that nigga, dog. G-Rap? Who else? Yeah, G-Rap. Did you say Horse? I thought you said Horse from the Braves. No, Rakim.

Rakim. Rakim. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, so we got G-Rap. Kane. Kane. Rakim. Pac.

That's three mean. You got Pac in your top ten? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Before big? There's no order. There's no order. There's no order. Okay, okay.

No order. I just got my top ten. It's just people I'm going to guarantee the locks as a whole. As a whole. Yeah. I'll fuck with all three of them. They are the streets. Big L.

Big L. You got Big L on your top? It's Dory. You definitely got gum under your Timberlands. When you got a big L in your top, you know, it's gum under your sneakers for sure. It's a bunch of people, Rocker. Keep going, keep going. This is hip-hop.

Hip-hop media is that. How many I met? I think that's five. Wait, Koo G. Koo G, Rock Kim, G-Rap, Lox. Kane. Big L. Kane.

Kane. That's six. Big L. Big L. Big. Big is my last. Okay, okay. Exactly.

There's no question about that. We don't even count big in this. Right, okay. Big shouldn't even be in the equation. Cool. Of course, Nas. That's my nigga. Hov.

Hov. Without question. That's eight. You got two left. See, this is where my shit gets tricky at. Scarface. I listen to a lot of Scarface Like

Ghetto Boy shit Diary of a Bat Scarface is my dog Oh man Snoop Yeah cause you mad He's coached with it right now No besides Scarface Scarface is now. No, besides Scarface.

Scarface is Houston. Yeah, that's right. Scarface, yeah. You about to say the brat on us? You got pot and Scarface. Oh, you got pot? Yeah, pot. Yeah, pot.

Yeah, honestly, I might be biased. Snoop is my man. I thought you were going to say Lil' Kim. No Lil' Kim in there? Kim is Junior Mafia. I can't count nothing I'm a part of. I'm you were going to say Lil' Kim. No Lil' Kim in there? Kim is Junior Mafia. I can't count nothing I'm a part of. I'm not counting nothing I'm a part of.

I respect that. I'm counting something that... See, outside this shit, it's like I can't put certain people I'm connected to. There's certain people I'm connected to that don't count. It's automatic. But when you ever see somebody say that, Big isn't number one, do you ever... Big is my favorite because Big covered all grounds of shit. I feel like as an artist,

B.I.C. covered every part of the rap component you want to put down. Storytelling, flows, melodies, cadence, metaphors. I think Big covered all parts of that. Yeah, I think he did too. Positive activity. It's so many. for us. I think Big covered all parts of that. Yeah, I think he did too. Positive, Timmy T, he had Skies. Yo, it's so many.

I don't like having them type of lists because I love... What you think about Ugadi? He just did... The 300. He did the revival.

No, I'm not talking about that. He got a show called Tales where he actually takes an artist's record and he makes a whole movie out of it.

He did... Oh, dope. I think the idea is dope. Yeah, it's dope. he makes a whole movie out of it. He did... How dope. I think the idea is dope. Yeah, it's dope. That's a dope idea. He did Story to Tell, B-I-G.

So, I followed him on Instagram so I've been checking it and it's a whole story, like a whole movie, basically, behind Story to Tell. But,

do you not feel like he should have, like, you know, I mean, all due respect to him, but do you not feel like he should have hollered at you and said, because you probably was in that second session. I don't even know about it. I ain't never hear about it until you just told me about it just now. I never even heard about that. Let's take another shot, see if we can get you off the date with the internet. Nah, I never even heard about it. You didn't hear about it?

I didn't hear about that. I know about the series he was doing. Follow up, got him. You ain't got to follow up, got him. I didn't know it was about I didn't hear about that. I know about the series he was doing. Follow up, got him. You ain't got to follow up, got him. I didn't know it was about that, though. He got to do Drink Champs, goddammit. Nah. I heard of my man, though.

That's my boy, though. Yeah, but that's what's happening right now. So what he's doing is his whole movie based upon the record. No, it's like a movie, yeah. It's like an actual movie based upon the record. So I think he did Story to Tell by Big. I think he got something from Jay. He did Trap Queen from...

He got Trap Queen from Freddie Rock. It's a whole production, like a movie from his interpretation, I'm guessing, of what he thought that they was trying to do. I think it's dope. I just want to know, did he actually reach out to the artist to say, do you have any input on this? Because I know as me, like

me, if you just do Super Thug, and you just, you got to relax. Like, come on. I wouldn't have input on my shit. And it's crazy because it's BET, so BET automatically has the rights because they gave you, whenever you signed off on your shit, you signed off for them to have the rights to your video. So they can do what they want, actually. But I would think, I don't know, am I bugging? But what do they get the rights to do when they can use a song from the label? Maybe.

But I would think, like, if the dude did a movie to knock yourself out, you would want to... I'll have you. Yeah. I mean, that's what I was asking. Because 100% they did B.I.G.'s. They probably did that through the state or- Okay, I'm going to pour Norby shots. They're going to be light. They're going to be different.

I don't know. Oh, it's the cup. It's the cup that's the setup. Yes. It's not niggas hands. No, it's that shit. It's the cup. Hold on, hold on.

This is your cup? Give me a cup. Give me a shot. This is your last shot. This is it. We're going to go on the interview. Yeah, the cup. Hold on. This is your cup? Give me a cup. Give me a shot. This is your last shot. This is it. We're going to call it the interview. Yeah, last one.

We got to do three. Three is my lucky number. I had three. No, you had two, sir. I had three. I count very well. I'm sorry. I don't read good, but I count very well. I'll take one more.

Come on. Let me get that other. Let me eat your glass. Which one? Yeah, I'm going to do light shots. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to stay quiet. Don't make mine like I made them.

You see it? Look. I'm good right there. Look at that. Look at that. That's good. That's good money. That's a baby one. That's Look, I'm going right there. Look at that. Look at that. That's good. That's good money. That's a baby one.

That's good. That's a baby joint. Look at mine, though, by the way. Look at mine, by the way. His is like teenager. I got you. I'm celebrating little Cs. Here, Chi-Chi.

It's a good night. I'm not going to be by myself. Look at that kiss. I got you. Be kind. Be kind. One more? Yes, every one.

And we won. Let's pick up Jerry at Blackbird again. Jerry Blackbird Contra. What up? Look at that. I got the most disrespectful shot. That'll do one more. Yes, and we won. And we won. Let's big up Jerry at Blackbird again. Jerry, Blackbird, Contra, what up? Look at that. I got the most disrespectful shot. That's a good one. DC Twin, DC Twin. And DC Twin, oh shit.

Oh, there you go. I got to give it to him. Yo, we love you, DC Twin. You're going to be back in a minute. DC Twin, salute. No, no, I got to disrespect you. DC Twin wants it full. Oh, don't do him.

Don't do that. Nah, he wants it full. He likes that shit. Nah, he does it good. He's a pancake gang. Whoa. Nah, nah, I got to disrespect you. DCT wants it full. Oh, don't do him. Don't do that. Nah, he wants it full. He likes that shit. Nah, he does it. He's Pancake Gang. Whoa. Big up to Cows and Pancake Gang.

Salute. Louis C's. We want to continue to celebrate you. That's right. You have one of the craziest musicians. Ah. Oh, everybody did it? All right.

In hip hop, the best rapper that ever did it alive. It was your right hand man you go up with him yeah it's very different yeah the chest the chest here is growing well that last one was a little so sees you anything you want to tell the people Let's make some noise for Kiss. Gotta relax. I gotta relax. So, Cease, anything you want to tell the people before you get up out of here? Not to drink Tiger Bowl? Nah, Tiger Bowl is cool.

Tiger Bowl is very, that's a very cool, healthy. Don't drink it 17 times. We gotta relax. Just don't drink too much of it, but nah. Yeah, you can't drink. Shout out to y'all. Congratulations on the podcast. Thank you, my brother. This is something the podcast. Thank you, my brother.

This is something really big. Thank you, my brother. We got something really big going on, man. For hip-hop. This is for hip-hop. Hip-hop. Hip-hop needs something.

We need a real nigga running something. We do. Like, for real. Like, just think about it. We need the inmates running the building. Yep.

Finally, we got the inmates running the building. Let's pick up a vault. We're leaving. We're leaving as a TV show now. We blew up. We sold out here, Finn. Let's just throw that out there.

No, don't say that. We sold out. No, we ain't sell out. Tell me you sold out. We ain't sell out. We ain't sell out. We ain't sell out. Because we're going to maintain our integrity.

No, we definitely going to maintain our... What? We sold out. We did not sell out, bro. A little bit. No. We're leaving as a TV show now. And shout out to CBS, but we lead the CBS too.

Shout out to them, but they missed the buggy. And they ain't my niggas still. Big up to all them people. I forgot their name. No, we can't say no names yet. No, no name? No, we ain't talking about you. You know Greg hooked up Audio Boom.

Yo, I'll be honest. Hey, manito. I'm out there, bro. This nigga went to the other side and said, let's go get three champs. No, he's on Spotify bro. That's what I meant. Oh my god, you talking craziness right now. I'm out of control?

You totally out of control right now. Let's throw this shit out there. You're wrong. You don't give a fuck about these things. A little bit, just leave it out there so they mixed up. That's drunk facts. I love drunk facts. Trump facts.

It's Donald Trump facts. It's alternative facts. Which are worse than drunk facts. It's all up in there. Because drunk facts have some drunk facts. I love drunk facts. They're chump facts. It's general drunk facts. It's alternative facts. Which are worse than drunk facts. It's all... Because drunk facts have some real facts. That's no alternative fact, but... Y'all getting a lot of money up here. You got to relax.

You got to relax. See, you got to... But listen, you know what it is? We're celebrating hip-hop. That's right. We're leading as a TV show now. I know there's words out there, Charlamagne and Joe Buttons

trying to just revolt. We in our interim right now. We ain't even going in yet. They're not going to see what we're going to do when we revolt. You know what I'm saying? We don't go in.

What we're going to do, we're taking over. I told Diddy, relax. Let us take care of this. You're going to handle it? But Charlamagne And Joe Buttons We got love for you But we're going to show you

How powerful That we're going to work With these young people These young And they innovative At Revolt They enthusiastic They vigorous

And that's just what we need We a groundbreaking show And we're going to just go out And we're going to have Motherfucking fun People are sitting there And they're trying to Blame it on

Dude this ain't Diddy. This ain't just him. There's people like Derrick Ferguson and Ramon Dukes and Shaheem Reed and Zach Baggish-Claim. I don't know his last name. I just gave him Baggish-Claim just now. Who the hell? It felt right. Zach Baggish-Claim.

Zach Baggish-Claim. That's kind of my old name, though. That's kind of my old name. It felt right. Zach Baggish-Claim. Your name is Zach Baggish. That's kind of my own name. It's still my name. Zach Baggage Claim. The name is Zach. I feel like he's moving that way. Yo, I'm sitting here like, how is this your life?

He's moving that way. I forgot his last name. This shit's Zach Baggage Claim. Yo, if that's not his new nickname, I don't know what. The nigga's name is Zach Baggage Claim now. Zach Baggage Claim is my man. That's my man. Ill on the edits. So you know, this like. He's not editing,gis claims. That's my man. Ill on the edits.

So, you know, this is like. He's not editing, by the way. He's not editing. You know my drunk facts is fucked up. I thought it was him. I got to relax. You just threw all in the book. I got to relax. This is a dangerous show, man.

So let us know. This is a dangerous show, man. But we celebrate hip hop. No, it's all good. Hip hop got to be celebrated. It's a dangerous show. I mean by that, by how your setup is. Yeah, we, it's dangerous.

Yeah, definitely try to get you drunk. It's a dangerous show. We definitely want you to say some shit yeah, we it's dangerous. Yeah, definitely It's all in a celebration of hip-hop Because we don't care I care about this culture The are you okay individuals or maybe not like the questions he's saying yeah they're like yeah we want to get it out of you we want to get it out okay I want you to feel good too man we want to feel good that's what I want you to feel is. Like, I'm a DJ. That's right. Like, I'm the unseen person. Like, nobody gives a fuck about the DJ.

But the DJ is the pinnacle of hip hop. That's right. You know what I'm saying? I got to say, we do care about the DJ. Why you got so serious? No, no, no. I'm Cuban, B. I'm Cuban, B. Nah, nah, nah, I'm Cuban.

Nah, nah, I'm so Cuban. I'm so Cuban, dog. I got that. Right? My girl feels the same way when I get crazy. I'm so Cuban, dawg. I got that. My girl feels the same way when I get crazy. I'm Cuban. That's the DJ perspective. An artist like that, that was every DJ in the world. I represent myself right now. I'm for the DJ.

I'm for the DJ. Because nobody gives a fuck about the DJ. No, we give a fuck about the DJ. I know, I know. It's very charming. I come from the era where. I didn't mean that. Because nobody gives a fuck about the DJs. No, we give a fuck about the DJs. I know, I know, I know. It's very childish. We do, man.

I come from the era where y'all matter. Yes, yes. We come from the era where y'all matter. I wish I had this. And out here, for this era, we matter. But nowadays, there's iPod DJs, though. Yeah. That's not a DJ.

It's not a DJ. iPod DJs are not a DJ. But they have a DJ in their name. Yeah, they shouldn't have it. It should be iPod Frankie. DJ Rubble Stiltskin is out there with the motherfucking... Yeah, it shouldn't be DJ Anybody. Yeah.

If you ain't lug crates, and I'm not dissing the digital DJ. Talk about it. But lugging crates... Talk about it. Come on, that's something different. That's paying your dudes. That's something different. That's something different.

Lugging your crates. Us doing demos. Paying our dudes. Right. There's no dudes pay. You go SoundCloud, and you over. New artists ain't got the energy. Yeah, you listen.

Artist development is terrible for this new generation. These guys got to get up Perkacet. I don't think they have artist development. Molly Perkacet. Molly Perkacet. Never chase a bitch. Molly Perkacet. They got to get off that.

Sing it, brother. You be like, yo, yo, yo. So how you doing? How you like the game? It's cool. We coin it. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy. Like, yo, I can't tell you how, you know, the Charlamagne, my friend, I see an interview with one of the new artists, I don't want to say the one of the most poppin' artists. And they actually looked like they was on Purchase Day. You can't do that. You gotta sell.

The music is one thing, but you gotta sell yourself. That's why Angie Martinez was important to the culture back then. Back then, you do an interview with Angie Martinez, that shit was all over. And we didn't have the internet. But it was all over. It reached to certain people. Like, you do an interview with Flex. You do an interview with DJ Khaled. It was certain ones that went viral for that era.

But you actually had to have something to say. Like, these kids are so drunk and high now that I'm drunk and high, and I'm still talking to this motherfucker. Like, there's no artist development no more, right? Is that it? No, there isn't. We don't know how to be. You just got to just freestyle now

and just do what you think is cool. Nah, we don't got to freestyle. We don't. We don't have to freestyle. No, we got history. I'm stubborn. Like, I just... No, you rich in history, brother,

if you don't know that. I don't want to do nothing. You got some of the richest history ever. You know what I'm saying? And I'm blessed for that, and that's all. If I gain nothing else from it, I'm cool. As long as I get love. He's a part of a legacy.

And get to do what we do right here. One of the illest legacies in hip hop. Come on, dog. As long as I get to do what we do right here, to sit around people amongst us, I'm cool with that. None of that other shit, man. You know, this is cool to you. You know you can be doing more. He's dropping an album on D-Block.

I'm throwing that in the air. It's too much pressure? Just kissing. Never too much pressure. I went too far? That's my big brother right there, dog. It's never too much pressure. Come on.

I want to see that. I want to see that. He got me through this shit right now, dog. That's my coach through this shit now. That's my B.I. through this shit right now. This guy right here. That's crazy. Dog.

Whoa. That's facts. Garfield's in the building. This guy right here. That's crazy. Dope. Whoa. That's facts. García's in the building. How you doing, sir? I like your beard. Got thicker. That's my B out through this.

That's somebody you consider a top five of the best of the best. And he always doubted me. So when I get that love and recollection from somebody like him, he humbling himself to me. And I'm like, nigga, nah, you my nigga nigga I fuck you that he going nah nigga you don't challenge me to that you you now be out of me like you're your top five you're one of them niggas that's hard and be I'll call that, that's my dog. Alright, that's him. That's him. Cut that shit out, man. Nah, nah, nah. It's real. No, she's real shit.

She's real shit. That's why the realest compliment like you would say to a nigga like, that nigga just said you knew B.I. That's my nigga. That's my brother, my nigga. You know how I look at that. That's hard.

That's like a compliment. That was my nigga. So kids, so as a person who sparred with Jay-Z, right? Like you actually straighted bars and then now you went to Roc Nation. But that was the independent, because Roc Nation

giving out their independent deals. How is, you know, bringing it all to fruition? Was it what you thought it was? Actually, I'm still, I ain't signed my solo Roc Nation yet. Oh, wow. I'm about to do it now.

I'm about to do my solo deal. So you're leaving Def Jam? Is this an announcement? No, no, no, no. I'm about to do it, though. I'm about to do it with my soul. So you're leaving Def Jam? Is this an announcement? No, no, no, no. This is just management. Oh, management. I'm thinking we're talking about album. I'm not leaving major labels.

This guy's on your page, bro. You guys are good. They didn't let me in. It doesn't feel like that. But now with Pharrell, they let me in now. I think they're going to let me in right now. You're in? Fuck.

I'm bringing Pharrell right here. Look at that. It's not me. It's just me and him. You didn't take out Hachi in the bag. Go ahead, Kis. Yeah, so, you know. You're not leaving the Mates.

So you're going to sign your solo. I'm going to do a manager. Because Christy, y'all. Christy is Roc Nation. Is Roc Nation. That's y'all manager. She's the Locs manager. Because Roc Nation is that smart.

You're my manager too. They done took y'all manager and made them work for that. No, but that's what they do. That's what they do. When you, they take, they buy in the manager. When you, say if you go to Roc Nation and you, Ali and them will be over there too. Yeah, I'm scoping it out.

So they can run your higher shit run They just don't change what they should run No, I mean, so I told me the best shit about Ross nation I can't blow it up because I don't know if this is a private conversation But he told me some great shit about No, no, I'm not gonna blow it up. I can't blow it up, but it's beautiful. It was beautiful It was beautiful. It was beautiful Big up to OG1, big up to Shaka, big up to Tata. I seen Tata in the Soho Club and Malibu. Big up to Elmery.

That's the fam. Dez, OG1. Dez is the real boss. Yeah, they say Dez is a beast. Dez don't play. See, I don't know anybody. They say Dez is a beast. Dez don't play.

I gotta get to that building. Dez, Griselda Blanco. Griselda Blanco, holy shit. Jesus, that's a great... But corporate, why not? Yeah, yeah,co. Jesus. That's a great. But corporate, why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Obviously. We'll take that out of context. No, not at all. I don't want to see this on the Enquirer. Right, right, right, right. So are we ending it on bigging up Roc Nation? Is that accurate? Roc Nation is doing big fucking things.

They got everybody. Dope shit. Yeah, I respect them. I respect them. I respect them. It's all about elevation. I'm a status selector who's recently. I respect them. Like I said, a good guy. It's all about elevating. You know how the status selector who's recently been on Rock Nation?

Big up status selector who's recently signed to Rock Nation. Yeah. It's all about progressing, man. Anything to make the game bigger and to feed the people that deserve to be fed. How can we hate that? Absolutely. How can you hate somebody? Build your brand.

Yeah, it's true. You can't hate that, man. Anybody that's progressing, man, that you respect that came from our era or beyond or after, can't shoot nothing down like that. Anything that costs the progress, why we got to shoot that down? Let's salute that and have fun with that and celebrate to that. That's a fact. I'm inspired by what everybody else do.

What was you about to say with I sparred with Jay-Z? No, I'm just saying. Oh, see. That's, hold on, see, what was your mother saying with, I sparred with Jay-Z, what? No, I'm just saying. Oh, see. That's right, man. Oh, see. I just want to hear it. He brought it back. I just want to hear this nigga, because he always got some crazy.

No, because that was real, like, at the end of the day. How did that even start? I don't even know, because I was outside looking in like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's all I'm saying. I'm about to learn some history. Yeah, how did that start? If you ask me, because this is like a story that.

I need to hear some shit now. Please, please, please. And I had it on my mind all day. If you ask me, well, I think Steve Stout was doing some. Oh. Like both sides of the fence shit. I think he was. Because he signed to Souljit.

I think he was doing that with Nas and Hov too. Oh. And they didn't think he was going to with Nas and Hov too. They didn't think it was gonna get that serious and they got I mean it wasn't it wasn't really serious but you know you know but yeah but you know at a time he was doing he was remixing everything I was doing you remember that like the Maya song I was on original one then he came with the other one. What Maya song? R. Kelly Fiesta. I was on the original Fiesta, he came with the remake Fiesta.

It was just like, it wasn't, he wasn't saying nothing about me. He was just. But just the fact that it was on those joints. Yeah, why was he doing everything I was doing? I mean, you know, and Stout was setting me up with the joints. With the joints. And then set him up with the, you know what I'm saying? With the ribbons.

I think that was the competitive nature of our era coming up. It wasn't so wishy-washy and watching, hugging and all that. Nobody took it personally. Yeah, it wasn't personal. It wasn't beef, it was bars. Yeah, it wasn't no beef. Right, it was it was bars. Yeah, it wasn't no beef. Right, it was bars. It was bars.

He was rapping. The big homie. Right. And you try to catch the wave to everything that's going on, so whoever jump on it. Because the Big and Jay start as like competitive rappers. Well, what I would say in that, he wasn't scared, though, anyway. Like, now it's more, I bow down to nobody nobody but I bow down to who I'm supposed to bow down to.

Now everybody bow down to anybody. Them niggas don't deserve a bow. But explain that. Too much bow. No J. Doe explain that. People don't understand what you mean by that. No it was more competitive EFN. It was more like...

Who would... But I'm saying... Even though Hov was Hov, we was the locks, he probably had a million dollars. So who would you bow down to? We probably had a hundred thousand. But who would you bow down to?

We still were trying to... We ain't looking at success. Right. We looking at... We trying to go through... Tear his head off. Yeah, now... Accolades and money and accomplishments

will get you a bow quicker than you've been seeing if you can knock this nigga out. Just because he got a rollie on and you got a G-Shock. You don't have to bow because you got a G-Shock and he got a rollie. That's just a comparison to use from our era to what's going on now. They just had to prove theyself in that time. You couldn't even get around a certain... You couldn't even get in a certain studio with them type of niggas if you wasn't one of them niggas. Come on, dog.

D&D studio was rare. D&D studio was rare. Come on, you couldn't... No phone shit, D-Bug. No, this is... D&D Studio was real. Come on, you couldn't. No phone shit, D. I went to do that. This is Beeper days. I had a 357 on me when I went to do Right Where You Stand for Primo and Guru. And D&D.

That's how. Yeah, because I didn't know who I was going to see. D&D had rats and roaches. It's a fact. Dog. It is a fact. And the studio. You could might not make it home. It's a fact. Dog, fuck. It is a fact. And the studio. You could not make it home.

You ought to make a song, but you might not make it home. Yeah. Shit is a hole in the wall, my man. The studio is ratcheted. You been to D&D, right? That's actually insane. But I feel like I have. No, you're lying.

That's. At 357, I went to D&D with all them years and did that song with Guru and them in the same 357. While Primo should sound like this. Rosewood got knocked with it. Let's make some noise. Let's make some noise.

Yo, but look. It took my fucking 357. It was graffiti everywhere. It was a machine. Two rooms. It was a machine that had Feli's, Old English. You could buy the shit out the machine. Bamboo.

It had Bamboo. A vending machine. That shit was heavy. And condom. D&D. that had Philly's, old English. You could buy the shit off the machine. Bamboo. They had Bamboo. A vending machine.

That shit was heavy. And condoms. D&D was heavy. And condoms. You get robbed in that shit, dog. Get your hands beat. Get shit and all that. What borough's in there?

It's Manhattan. It's downtown. It was in the headquarter. It was in the headquarter. Remo bought it after that and turned it into headquarters. Rest in peace, KD headquarters.

His man, kiddie headquarters. And then it's no longer there no more. No, no. That shit was prime real estate. It wasn't in, like, a hood. It was downtown. Primo made it the hood. Primo, like.

I thought that shit was crazy. Hell no. That shit was all the way down. That shit was like a tunnel or something no. That shit was all the way down to Brown Zero. That shit was wild. Biggin' tunnel or something. Yeah. Damn, but it was hip hop. You going in that shit graffiti, everything you go in there.

We was actually making our demo in there when Hov was doing Reasonable Doubt. That's why we got history. We used to see him in there playing Poop. And we was making the demo, he was making Reasonable Doubt. Wow. And that's what make our era special. That's why that's my favorite ever. You know what else?

These new niggas don't know about what we went through, man. When I don't know what I don't know what. But it was it was like for like two months. Big used to rent Sound on Sound. You remember Sound on Sound? Yeah. On 45th Street. Around the corner from Daddy's house.

And Big would have upstairs, and me and Pharrell would have downstairs. But that was a quiet studio. There was a quiet spot right around the corner. Biggie was upstairs, and I was downstairs, my nigga. I kid you not.

With Pharrell. Pharrell put me onto the joint. That's why I was still... That studio was ill, yeah. I was still, like, bugging that. Pharrell never did a joint for Big, because I spent two months, at least, in the studio, sound on sound. Right around the corner from Bad Boy, we go.

Identical. And it was just quiet, though. It was only two labs. It was like a crib. You come in there, it's like a house. Two labs. And Big had upstairs. And I had downstairs.

I didn't have a mile in that shit, though. It was a dope-ass studio. Yeah, I spent a million in there. That's where Pup used to come through at when he couldn't have no rooms in his studio. It was that studio around the corner. And I think Big started liking it because he was like, he couldn't see nobody. It was the cut. You smoking it.

He saw it was me. Only other nigga that I had, it was me all around. And you had to park in that parking lot. And the parking lot right there. Right there. You in Nice Street, you had to go park in that shit. Nobody would never know you in there. Yeah, yeah.

You knew you were moving stuff. Yeah, yeah. And the strip club was right next to it there. Yeah, you knew you were in Middlestown. And the strip club was right next to it too. We got to relax. There's a little white spot. A little white spot. I used to go in there. Salt. The salt spot. It was nice. Let me get a light. Y'all got my lighter. One of y'all niggas.

Y'all foul. One of y'all got my lighter. I'm just going to throw that out there. It's right in front of you. It was one of y'all. It was the other person in my mind. Yo, but listen, man. This is old rap shit right here. Nah, but you know what? These fans love it

because you know why? I used to get drunk like, I ain't get drunk like this in a long time. You know why these fans love it? Because the thing about it is we be sitting around thinking that they don't care about the era before us.

And we're living proof. We hit 25 million. And that was four months ago. That's big shit. So that lets you know that they actually do care. They just want to learn. They need a platform to learn from. You got to school them.

That's all you got to do. And this is the platform they learn from. They be educated. They get drunk. They smoke some weed. And we talk this shit. And we have fun, man. And Lil C's, you needed to be celebrated in hip-hop.

And that's what the fuck we did today. And Jadakiss came to help out. Jadakiss came to help out. Thank you, dog. Jadakiss came to help out. And Drink Chance, if you ain't getting supported nowhere else in the world, I'm going to let you know. Thank you, bud.

It's about you today. I'm going to let you know. If you ain't getting It's about you today. I'm going to let you know. If you ain't getting congratulated anywhere else in the world, us at Drink Chance, we continue to support legends. We give our people their flowers when they can smell them, and we smoke trees with them when they can inhale them. We ain't going to beat you when you pass away or go away. You here now.

We going to beat you up now. We gonna beat you up now. That's what hip-hop is. We always beat you up when they're going. You can't do that, though. Embrace that shit when they here, man. I got twins, too. Yes, man. Hip-hop, we got to celebrate our legends.

This is my friend. This motherfucker plays vinyl. He plays vinyl. He doesn't like the MP3 shit because he's real from the real essence. He wants to go in there with crates and technique. I hate him for it. I got my crates, but I'm not going. But listen, he's from the real era of hip-hop.

That's the real essence of hip-hop. The whole time I did reggae, I thought. I like all y'all motherfuckers' records. Yes. FYI. He's a street team. That's love. Street team. He's a street teen. Street teen.

That was your first show in Miami. Tell them, EFN. I got to relax. Yeah. And Big poured me a glass of champagne. Cool ass motherfucker. Coolest motherfucker I ever met in my life. Wait a minute. Coolest nigga in the world, dog.

We just now ringing this up? I ain't never... You got a big, small story? No, no. What the fuck is happening? No, no. I don't see it as a story. It's not that big of a story. I was just talking to you for two hours over here.

You didn't say nothing about that. It's not a story. That is a story. It is a story. What are you talking about? I always tell people, I was like, yo, I was there. I was spinning in the party. You saw me.

It was the first Junior Mafia in Miami at Onyx Club. Onyx? We just started fighting. I'm the one. He decides to bring it up now. Why are you just saying so? He's great. He's great.

He's nuts. EF can break down this story. I'll interview you. All I'm saying is. What happened? I wasn't. VIP wasn't really VIP. So I was in VIP in Big Z.

He was popping mad champagne. We never drank champagne back then. Right. And then he's just like, yo, my man, you want a cup? I'm like, sure. Ran, he poured it. And I was like,

this dude is hella cool, bro. And that's my big story. That's it. It's not that crazy. It's not a bad thing. It's a die-hard crazy. Let's jump him on the way home. People would die and call him.

Yeah, that happened to him. And he was just mad cool, man. Mad cool. Nah, we used to hate him. Nah, Big has always been the coolest guy. But go ahead. No. No, Big.

Go ahead. Nah, let me tell you something. And he was there promoting them. Like, that's the crazy shit. Wow. Like, it was them. And he was there for them. And I could see it.

I was like, he don't need to do this for them. Why? He was there for them. Yeah, we was long niggas, he don't need to do this for them. He was there for them. Yeah, we was long niggas, don't we? That's a beautiful story, yeah, Finn. I gotta have a talk with you after this.

We'll talk about it. You got a big story and you say, it's not really a story. I mean, that's awesome. There's more to it. You blow it up too much.

When you got a big story, you say, it's not really a story. Yes, it is. I mean, that's my story with Big. That's the only story I got. That's the best story, by the way. That was Big?

That's one of the best stories, by the way. Big stories, man. Big was one of the coolest motherfuckers on the planet. He was the coolest niggas in the world, dog. I miss that nigga. I miss that nigga, too. He was really like a cool nigga, hip-hop nigga. Super cool.

He embraced niggas that was dope. You know what I mean? He was just like, he taught me everything about this music shit here. I'm everything that he was. You know what I'm saying? That's who I mimic. I wanted to be like that nigga. That fat black.

Yeah, I wanted to be like him. I thought he was the coolest nigga on earth. You know what I'm saying? And the only thing he did was introduce me to this type of world. I just tried to embrace it. He was a music head, dog. He embraced it. He loved all this shit right here. He would've did Drink Champs. He would've done Drink Champs.

He would've carried this nigga from this shit, dog. I would've went 700 hours. He would've crowned this shit, man. Yo, Big, you on Drink Champ? We done carried this nigga from this shit, dog. I would have went 700 hours. Nah, he would have did that for you. He would have crowned us hard, though. I can see it. No, no. Big was funny, too.

Big was funny, too. He was hella funny, man. He would do shots at you, but he would have loved this type of show. Nah, he would have been a funny-ass dude. He was cool like that. B.I. B.I. He'd chip off shit like this.

He liked to get high and bug out. This was regular shit right here. I think Big would have made his new single with us. Let's just throw that out there. Let's just throw it out there. I think he would have... He was fucking with y'all. He would have bigged us up. He would have got that history. He would have said, I'm paying my seat on Drink Champ. He would have said his new single with us. Let's just throw that out there. Let's just throw it out there. I think you would have, you know, you got that history. I'm paying my seat on Dream Champs.

You say, hell yeah, nigga. Let's go. He would have definitely did that. He would definitely fuck with this type of shit. Yo, Lil C's, I can't thank you enough. Jadakiss, I can't thank you enough for being our, yo, Jadakiss, you really support Dream Champs. I think you own it on the low.

I'm like the light wing man. I'm like the light wing man at Dream Champs. He's so in. Let's pop up. He's so in. Let's spread the rumor it on the low. I'm like the light wing man. I'm like the light wing man. God, put him there. He's so ill. Let's pop up. He's so ill. Let's spread the rumor. Spread the rumor. Jadakiss gave us 100 bands.

He's part owner. He owns drink tans. Let's spread the rumor. You know what I'm saying? That's one of the realest niggas ever in the business. Nah, Jadakiss. Nah, Jadakiss. That's shit, guys, man.

I'm talking about on some humble shit, not even no music shit. Just on some real person type of shit. Yo, I hung out with Kiss the other day for six hours, and it was crazy. Like, we got respect fans. The fact that he hung out with you for six hours, so much respect for you, man. No, no, no. Damn, there was a shot at me. Yo, but look, it was crazy because at some point I was like, I think we should have security

because it was like, he got some wild fans, I got some wild fans, and we always get in trouble on the street. Yo, I try to book him there all the time, man. Get you, stop that. I feel like we got to get security, kids. I feel like we got to relax. He need that. I feel like at some point we got to grow up a little bit.

A little bit. A little bit. Might be right, dawg. A little bit. A little bit. We got to relax. I feel like at some point, we got to grow up a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Might be right. A little bit. A little bit. We got to grow up. But Lil' C's, I can't thank you enough. Thank you, dog.

Yo, listen, man. Hip-hop got to continue to celebrate our legends. We got to give them the flowers where they can smell them. Give them the trees where they can inhale them. And the thing about it is, so many other generations, so many other people rock. You know, the Rolling Stones get older. They go on tour. They do it.

Why hip-hop, we can't do that? You know why hip-hop can't do it? Because we didn't have drink champs, and drink champs are going to celebrate and continue to salute people that the older you get, the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice.

You know what I mean? No need to explain that. No need to explain that. The older the berry, the older the berry, the younger the barrier. The older the barrier, the drunker the barrier. You know what I'm saying? You deserve shit like this, bro.

This is why you're supposed to get this, my nigga. We got to continue to support ours. Because sometimes we forget. Like, that shit don't take me no... It don't take no money out of my pocket to say, Jay, the Kisses is a real nigga. He has to be supporting every project and the Locks and everybody. And Lil' C's and D-Rock and Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown and Nas and AZ and Rapper Nord and Mobb Deep.

And it don't cost me nothing to say that, you know what? These guys came through the era. It's not like, you know, I might look at it as the best era. But if you don't look at it as the best era, it's okay. That's okay. It's cool. For our legends, for the people that came in. That's right.

For a little Uzi Vert, and for a little Yahtzees, and for a little Yamakazes. And, you know what I'm saying? Yamakazes is the best rapper. Yeah. I'm trying to sign him. Yamakaze. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? Yamakazi's a dope-ass rapper. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to sign him. Yamakazi, come on, man. You know what I mean? Yo, Yamakazi.

Yamakazi's the hell, though. I'm waiting for you. We need Bob. Whatever. We're the best in the show. Zach Baggis Clay! Hey! You got a big noise for Zach Baggis Clay for a vote. He's an executive head of that Zach Baggis Clay's Trace. He just made it. Now, what's his real name? Zach what?

I don't know. I don't know his last name. Baggis Clay! Baggis Clay! I don't know his last name. I don't know who he's collecting. No, it's not Zach. Slav, Slav, what's Zach's name? Where's Slav, Slav, what's Zach's name? I'm Zach, Coke Boy. Where's Slav at? Nobody know that nigga last name.

Shout out to Zach from Revolve. Zach from Revolve. But Zach Bagg is about to be the illest rapper ever. Yeah. Coke Boy Bagg is clean. Who? Coke Boy Bagg is clean. I got it.

You got to relax, Twin. We still got to relax you, Twin. You still gotta relax you, Twin. You know we love you. Twin is wild and still to this day. He's still wild. Yo, yo, Twin. Yeah. We love you.

You know we got you. Salute. We love you, brother. My brother, Twin. Yes. That's right, baby. That's right. Man, we gonna train Diego, too, because we gonna get you back on the road, too.

You know what I'm saying? That's a dope ass shirt you got, bro. Happy birthday, Diego, once again. Happy birthday, D. God damn it. Happy birthday, Diego. What's your name? What's your name? You sober today, right? You know I'm saying I should don't pass sure you go once again On your birthday we proud of you come over here Diego What's your Instagram? Shut him out Don Diego for 20 your PO gonna hit No doubt. I'm out of control.

Come over here, Twink. You got to get to a mic. Nobody hear you, nigga. Come over here. Come on, man. Come through. Come over here. For everybody that's Drink Chance family,

you know Twin has been with us from day one. He's our fucking brother. He's our family. You know what I'm saying? He got into an accident. We don't care We holding him down The same way

We gonna hold him down Before the accident We gonna hold him down After the accident And he knows that Yeah go ahead twin That's real shit right there though Dope

Real shit right there Yo Dre Chaz family man I appreciate the support Man the fans is loyal man I'm in therapy everyday Grinding And they just show me my love Talking people from like Pakistan. Talking to people from

like, Pakistan. I've had people from, yo, like, the Netherlands. Like, it's crazy. It's like, worldwide, the love is real, man. Right. Because all it is is show, this show is authentic. Right. We are ourselves. You know what I'm saying? Right. Tell them to look how

far it got us. You know what I mean? This shit is amazing. I'm so blessed to be here I'm so happy to be here man. I'm still you eat ass. I feel like you, your face says everything, Lil C. I feel like you definitely eat ass. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest with you, C.

Nah, I don't eat ass. I eat pussy. I don't eat ass. I eat pussy. I don't eat ass. You got to eat the booty like groceries. No, no, no. Oh, shit.

C, you ate ass once. No, no. no. Oh, shit. You gotta deal with the waves. You gotta deal with the waves once. No, no. No, no. Everything I love, though. See, I don't believe you. I'm being honest. I swear I don't.

Your face says it all. See, you know what I mean? You might get a shot, motherfucker. See, I don't believe you. I ain't got no eyes, hands, or feet, guys. I swear. I'm not even here tonight, smoke out. You my friend.

I swear. I'm gonna be honest. I never, you know, never, never, never, never, friend, y'all. I swear. You my friend. You my friend. I swear. I'm going to be honest, yo. I never. Yeah. You know, never.

No. No. You sure? You lying. Maybe. Once. I don't remember. I licked around.

I licked around, y'all. I'm going to be honest. I licked around, y'all. What? When I went there, I was like, whoa. You're licking around it? Pennies. I got a comb, y'all. That's it. went there, I was like, whoa. You're licking around it? Pennies. I got a comb,

y'all. That's it. Make some noise for a little seed. It tastes like a penny. I got a comb. Yo, seed, seed,

seed. It tastes like a penny, right? It tastes like a penny. It's a copper joint. Yo, what's going on? Yo,

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