Drink Champs - Episode 98 w/ EPMD

Episode Date: September 26, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs! In this episode the guys drink it up with with the legendary hip hop duo EPMD! They talk about their early career, the ups and downs of being in a two man group, the state of hip hop and a lot more! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And your number one source for drunk facts It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast Where every day is New Year's Eve It's time for Drink Champs Drink up, motherfuckers Hey, Sangria, hope you saw me It's your boy N.O-R-E. What up, it's DJ E-F-N.

And it's Drink Tasty Motherfucking Podcast. Make some noise! Yes, I'm something. You're not bad at it. Make some noise! Classy, classy. Talking about that big check you and Norris got. Talking about that.

Yeah, go ahead, dawg. It's not about us. It's not about that. Yeah, go ahead, dawg. It's not about us. It's not about us. My bad. Don't spread the rumor. Don't spread the rumor. My bad.

He's a half-nugget. So right now, right now, come on. Somebody responsible answer. Put him on speaker. Right now, when it comes to two-man groups, if it wasn't for them... The white charger you guys got. Yeah, whoever got the white charger, gotta relax all right when it come to two-man groups if it wasn't for these two brothers right here standing in

front of us I don't think that me and this brother to a left of me would even exist these guys not only stood the test of time when hip-hop you had to be a real MC meaning you had to know how to rhyme you hop, you had to be a real MC. Meaning, you had to know how to rhyme. You had to know how to do beats. You had to do all of that. And these guys are the epitome Epitome.

Epitome. There you go. Of that. You guys stood the test of time. You stuck together. I know it was rough because it'd be rough fucking with this nigga. So I know it was rough.

It's good to see him too. And it'd be rough for him fucking with me. It's not like I'm perfect. Right. It'd be rough for him fucking with me. But the thing is, you guys stood together for over the times. You stood together. You represented Long Island's strongest.

Right now In the building With drink champs We got my personal Favorite group E Motherfucking PMD

Make some noise So I wanna I wanna take it to the very beginning Because first off Just to name EPMD How What was your thought process when you said we're going to be a group because everybody prior to that they didn't have names

like that well Paris got the real I'm going to give you my thing too at the end I just figured that I tell you by all the time you know one of the MCs who we we look after me and Paris drove to Manhattan to buy sucker MCs from Long Island. You know, when the first thing came out, we drove a car. It ain't great. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, Parrish, you know, figured that, you know, Eric and Parrish, you know, we wanted to make money. So, EPMD making dollars.

But Run DMC, again, you can tell Run DMC, EPMD. Oh, wow. I never put that together. We took the line, the whole, half the logo. And Russell was okay with it. So, he's like, yo, go ahead. We took the line, the whole, half the logo. And Russell was okay with it. So he's like, yo, go ahead. Because you guys were actually on Def Jam, and Run DMC never was on Def Jam.

Is that correct? We ended up being on Def Jam later, but we was managed by Rush. Oh, Rush managed it. Okay, that's why I'm getting confused. So when we got managed by Rush, Leo took it because it was spelled E-P-E-E-M-D. No, I've never heard this story. Hold on, hold on. Say that again? I'm sorry.

The first thing though, it was spelled E-P-E-E-M-D. And when we got signed to Rush, he changed it. Management. Yeah, Rush management. They changed the logo and got the guy. Hayes. Yeah, Hayes. Famous guy now.

And Art, who changed the logo to four letters and look it up like that. That's crazy. Because parents call themselves, I'm the P-E-E-M-D-E-E. That's what. So we, in the rhyme, we spelt it that way, you know? Because we figured it was like that on that situation. That's my wife.

That's my wife. Hey, hey, man. And look, that's mom-in-law. OK. That's brother-in-law. Come on. Yo, I ain't going to front. I think Narcos. There's a wife. Hey, hey, man. And then, look, that's mom-in-law. OK. That's brother-in-law. Come on. Yo, I ain't gonna front. I think Narco's.

This is the last time I saw you went overseas. You know, you bougie overseas, though. I'm not. Yeah, yeah, it's different. It's different. You're just different overseas. You're different. You gotta work up to this.

No, but you're different overseas, though. I told you I was gonna work up to this. He jumped right into it. No, no, no. He didn't work up. 100. I keep 100. Overseas, you know, you a lot of different person, though.

You say, watch him not a different person. He headlines overseas, it's a whole big thing. I came over for him. You got four hour, the music was louder. I'm like, what is this, Noria? Let people know we're queens. This is how you know. This is how you know.

This is how you know. Good people. Because, you know, I see the story a totally opposite way totally opposite way but you know what I want to keep it between y'all because at that time when you guys came out it was a tough time in hip-hop meaning you actually had to really really be good good. Like right now, these people will say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they can get on.

And they can have a... That's not the time you guys came out. No question. When you guys came out, you guys actually had to know how to rhyme. You guys formed a crazy crew. But I just wanted to describe those moments of how hard it was back then

to these young guys. And you got to take a shot. Yo. No? I'm sorry. Listen. Yes. Yo.

Basically, us coming from Long Island, you know, being up against Brooklyn, the Bronx, Queens, we always felt we had to work harder. But once Public Enemy dropped, then Rock Kim and Wine Dance dropped. You know, I came from Wine Dance. I went to Wine Dance one day and there was six bodies out there. They kept barbecuing. They kept barbecuing like this is nothing. They was like, yo, come on, Norm, you got to keep going. What? There's six bodies on the floor. And this is the time when people think of Long Island as soul. And I was like, no. They got it confused. No question.

So me and E always just, you know, kept our pen down, feeling like, you know, you had Kara Rest One coming from the Bronx, you had Big Daddy Kane, you had Slick Rick, Lottie Dottie. So when we came in, you know, we just wanted to have that impact.

Always felt that we had to work harder, and then at the end wind up coming off. Now, let's take it to this. Slow down, baby. Slow down, baby. Right. Slow down, baby. Say, what?

I ain't gonna lie, I don't know what summer that was, but I know y'all control that whole fucking whole summer. In the 91. 91. Yeah. We were tight back there, though. The world was going to war. We just got off of Sleeping Back Records on the Def Jam.

Yeah, that first time. Yeah. Def Jam. Wow. That was your first Def Jam record? Yes. Yeah, because Khalil, they had ordered the record we was on, which is Fresh. From Sleeping Back, right?

It was Nice and Smooth was on the label too. We had a pretty good label. Wow. Nice and Smooth was on there. Craig Mack was on there with the first single. Mantronics. Zoom, Zoom, Zoom. I mean, Mantronics. The whole nine. And we had Paris Taker. Paris was on there with the first single. Man-tronics. Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, Man-tronics.

The whole nine and we had Paris Taker, Paris was there. I wasn't even on Rampage, it was just him and I, go ahead. Yeah, so basically in between, we got caught in between labels. But they was like, yo, keep working though. So it was like, wow, we kept the legs moving. Then we went in the studio, we put down the Rampage, cause the way we was feeling, we like our album was going to be held up

You know most people was like yo you got you got past the sophomore drinks with unfinished business So Eric and I was like yo, you know what you see the cover We're standing in the swamp with the guns pointing at us You know the helicopters above and then the rampage because we that's the same album as I'm mad Here's a little story the whole album What made you guys want to work with LL because but Leo and them put LL on us oh because you know why this is the reason why I'm telling you as an outsider looking in because I really wasn't a part of hip-hop then I was just a fan I was a guy on the benches and um at that time L was kind of crossover and you guys were kind of representing the underground hip-hop.

But you just hit it just now. The reason why, Leo and them felt that L should be on this lane. It was Leo. So when Mama said, well, Leo and Russell. Leo and Russell. Wow. So when you heard the next album. Yeah, Mama said knock you out.

Exactly. It was all street. It was the Panther. Everything came. them yeah mama said knock exactly everything came up so after hanging he said hang with these guys and then molly and then bang that album came out because you guys was like the official you guys were the original mob d the original mop and what i mean by that is the audience that you guys brung out at that time was super street like i can't i was scared of you i'm kind of kind of still scared of y'all okay well don't look because i'm a fan but at that time that's that's why i always wondered like why did they have l because

now i'm being for queens yeah but l was kind of like you you know, doing it and doing it. Like, he was like, you know, he was different. Yeah, but L was still tall. Tall. Always. Tall. So, again, to you, we go. Give him Sunday, like the movie. You can get Roots, do that. And so, we knew it.

Right, right. We knew it. And on Rampage, we wanted to bring that out. Yo, we even got this on Rampage. What? That's what you know? No, I know. First of all, let's get back to the...

Because we just had Al. We just had Al on there. Let's get back to the... I was on the DM with Al just about two hours ago. But let's get back to the first beef, when his parents had the squash. The first beef we had was the Rakim beef. This is the one. I was getting to that.

Thank you for going there first. The Rakim beef. How did this happen? This is Long Island beef. Right getting to that. Thank you for going there first. This is Rock Kim. How did this happen? This is Long Island beef. Right. Because we're two towns away. Right.

Okay. Rock Kim's my mentor. This is, to me, I'm like, when I heard him, I thought his name was Rock Wind. Somebody was like, yo, something's gonna be, Rock Wind came out. Right. Rock Wind, that's what I thought. That was hard. All of a sudden.

Changbin, you gotta relax. All of a sudden, He was two towns over so The record came out so me and powers like yo, this is the most illish shit We ever heard the red alert came the next day and played nobody beats the biz. That was another big ass Young niggas got a lot but I can I ain't no joke. But Rakim had, I ain't no joke. You can get a smack for this. I ain't no joke. Paris came back and said, like a d*** smack. You smack me and I smack you back. Not knowing.

Not knowing. That's not a story. I was about to say that. Like the series. You know, the frog. I'm just writing it down. And then. Time out.

Right. I never caught that, man. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the two towns did, because it was Long Island. Oh, OK. OK. And Rakim made this s*** called Father Lee. He said, a. Yeah, but the two towns did because it was Long Island. Oh, okay. And Ron Kim made this shit called Father Leader.

A brother said, dig him, I never dug him. He called him Father Leader so I drug him in the danger zone. So he went. And I can't, we're not fucking with him.

Let's keep it, but Pounce was incredible. We're not fucking with him, though. So he comes on the 25th anniversary of the East West Coast shit, does it in front of us, shakes the mic and rolls it like dice. Like you know like, and rolls the mic. To y'all?

I don't know, just because he was robbed, period. So it used to be a club called The Building in Manhattan. Okay. Right? Okay. So him and Paz was at the bar talking. This is how you know old niggas came out. Only a couple old niggas. Like, I remember building. Oh, wow. Like, who's talking? So him and P at the bar talking, and P said, yo, E, let me talk with you real quick.

So P called me over, and he squashed the beef. Right there in the bar. Was Ra there? Yeah. Yeah, Raquel was right there. That was the first one. We had a couple. Oh, no, the first one, did the first one today yeah people who chase caught me in the building by myself knowing on the 40th floor it was looking like Eric was all to it. Rock Kim said to him, she's like, yo, E, you stressing me? I never even heard that word.

Stressing me. Yo, this is out the blue. Yo, you want it? So I'm looking. I'm waiting for E. I'm like, where E's at? Yeah, where? I'm looking for E's later.

I can't find him nowhere in the building. So I was like, yo, let me check in the spot where we never go. You know, you got all these wings. We don't go in that wing. I'm going to keep it moving. I walk past the door. I come in in and Eric and rock him is like this nose to nose and I'm the way we're delivering we're in Burma Dell's office so once I seen that scene I already knew it was a Oh, Burpadell's a rich nigga. You don't know Burpadell unless you rich. I'm sorry.

Can I continue? So once I seen that scene, I already knew it was a situation. Big respect to Rakim. I was like, basically, I don't even know what's going on in here. But the scene didn't look correct. Must be in a misunderstanding.

Rakim was smooth with it, and we rolled out. But when I got there and I asked Rah, I was like, yo, what's up? He was like, nah. Like E said, he said, nah, your man stressing me. I was like, yo, we didn't even hear that word. What did that mean, stressing me? We know what it mean now, but it wasn't in the hip hop slang yet.

It wasn't in the slang yet. Like, stressing me came out late. That's a late term. It's not that came out. He came out early with that. And he said, he said that to you yeah to me he was the one who had the problem there was something happened too i was with a with a something happened with the album and he's my mentor so what happened was i just told the girl

i'm sorry i didn't like the new one like i liked the always starts beating. And it came back to me somehow. You know, not that. I was like, yo, how can I diss you when I'm on one side of the tape

I got a half an hour with the president and the other side is Bismarck-y. Like, I talk about you all the time. But why is that always like that?

Why is it always like that? We can't get along with us. Why is that? Yeah, but it's the people around you that start to be you don't got no bb your your friends don't start it's just like queens right queens you know core mega will have beef with nas or nas will have beef with uh i'm just making examples a capone but then in all actuality we're all together so why do we can't get along with each

other like when i look at compton i'll be like damn sometimes because you know they all beefing and at Action Rally, we're all together. So why do we can't get along with each other? When I look at Compton, I'll be like, damn. Sometimes, because they all beefing with each other. And I'm like, damn, why is it like that for our community? Yeah. Well, I think probably because we wasn't advanced with the business, and we had to learn. So we was dealing with a business that was more than advanced than us.

We was just coming up out of the hood. So as years go on, we learned the game, we know the game, but for the new cats, they don't know the game so they're learning the game. And inside of that, that's where the miscommunication

and the little funny business go down. But me and Cube was, man, friends, matter of fact, we was tight. Cube? No, no, no.

Cube? No, no, no. Cube was on our tour bus. When you book it with NWA, Paris told them how to do it. That's right. That's right. Told him how to what? To break up?

To leave the group? Well, in a way, kind of. He was in LA for like two months, because you know, you got the show, West Coast Rest. Yeah, he opened up for us, like before introducing us as a group on the Luke Skywalker tour. And then he went your way, because he's working with Public Enemy. Yeah, then he came to New York. Exactly. Came to East Coast to drop the America's Most. We'll be right back. 10-9 Central on BET, executive producer Wanda Sykes invites you to put your judgments to good use. Face value is the only game show where profiling pays. Contestants are asked hilarious questions about people purely based on their looks. When they get them right, they get cash.

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But while we was riding. While we was riding. Doing shows. Wow. He stayed on y or five days. Wow. But while we was riding. While we was riding. Doing shows. Wow. He stayed on y'all bus. Yeah. So we started rapping, you know, started kicking it. But when I landed in LA, he would come pick me up

in the Suzuki, go to the crib, and go chill. Let's make some noise for Suzuki. And I ain't gonna lie, I poured y'all shots, I'm sorry. Yo, you know why? Because you know, it's nothing. I'm gonna take one. There's nothing more that I would like to do with my life is to get drunk with APM, and say, slow down, baby.

You gots to chill. Slow down. You gots to chill. I'm not drinking relax. From what I understand. You gots to chill. You know, you know, you know. What the hell?

That's the best vodka in the world. The best. It's the best vodka. That's how much he likes it. that's the best. Oh, it's the best. The best. In the world. We make it right here. And pump daddy. I got to relax. But.

Can we sidebar this? Uh-huh. Real quick. No, seriously, for real. He said sidebar.? Uh-huh. Real quick. Seriously, for real. He said sidebar. I'm loving it. To see you in the C home, I'm just happy. Right.

Definitely. We always, not been behind the gun, but always been the people, somebody who said they ain't going to do it again. Right. Or the crews we had, every rapper that we had, they wasn't good enough. And then we showed Dostoevsky, we showed Reggie, we had they wasn't good enough and then we showed a DOS effects and we showed Reggie we showed Murray we showed solo we everyone knows behind the gun nobody we got turned down by Def Jam turned

by my lot of labels but we believed in them going over here to you you chose to do something and people probably looking at you Like you was crazy I'm just sidebarring I was real with me and my car saying that Cause even if I didn't know it I felt it Like yeah motherfuckers You had me underneath the picture

Cause the game didn't change But look at me now Look at my new check It's very real Look at game. Look at my new check. Yes, it's very real. Look at my show. Look at the guests who's coming to see me. Yes, and we having fun. I want to say, yeah, I had to come. He had to. Because he said, he kept 100. I had to come because you hot. The numbers. No one that much feel like, so I felt that for him. That's why I said that. That's what I'm talking about. And you know it's a sign. And you know it's a sign. And you know it's a sign.

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And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts are wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm going to add on to you, E, because our culture, like I have went to a accountant's office. I went to a accountant's office, and went to a accountant's office And I seen Mick Jagger All these other

White guys They touring And they celebrate That they tour Yes They celebrate That they been in this game For 20 years

Yes But hip hop If you Once you have 10 years They call you old They call you washed up Yeah They say you don't got it no more

Right And I just I just I just wanna play my part Of please, tell these people to be quiet. I just want to play my part of changing that for hip-hop. Because the more, and it's awesome that you brought up Europe. The more old school you are in Europe, the more they love you. They appreciate you.

They love you in Europe. So why we can't reverse that and make that shit? Because the thing about it is, if it wasn't for EPMD, there wouldn't be a Mob D. There wouldn't be a Capone or Noriega. There wouldn't be an MOP. So why

shouldn't that be celebrated? Because we came up differently. Don't forget, white folks don't say old school Mick Jagger, old school Rolling Stones, old school Sting, old school Madonna. It's just a name.

We got to put the age on it. I heard one rapper tell, said about four years ago, Jason needs to stop rapping and give somebody else a shot. No, you got to step your game up. You know, if you figure that, he ain't supposed to be here.

You know, we the only culture, fucking Barbra Streisand was 72, gotta step your game up you know if you figure that he supposed to be here right you know we're the only culture fucking barbara strays here and was 72 just dropped the album with number one paul mccartney's still getting grammys it don't matter they look at their culture they they they look at them and they still give them props and enjoy them and they grow with them as they grow i told you you're a legend right nobody should Disrespect that Like somebody should say Listen What are we doing now Right

I'm still touring Right I know that We still making $20,000 a night Storm Peppa still making $40,000 a night On stage

Let's make some noise They always look and say What are you doing now Yeah That's why I said What I said about you Right You don't never know

What they doing At least ask first Don't never know what they're doing. At least ask first. Don't just automatically think nobody's doing nothing. Every one of our era is on the road. And Salt-N-Pepa, they was touring so much, they had to take a break. Making $40,000 a night from June to September. How much money is that? A lot of money.

Exactly. I don't even want to say a lot of money. I'll tell you something. Shout out to Salt-N-Pepa, God damn it. Big up Salt-N-Pepa. That's a queen. I'm just saying what you were talking about. I didn't know what you were talking about. I didn't know what you were talking about. I didn't know what you were talking about. Shout out to Salt and Pepper, God damn it. Big up to Salt and Pepper. That's a queen. I'm just saying that anybody who's doing that, so when you-

So how do we change that in hip hop? How do we actually, like, because I, me and my partner DJ EFN, right? Me and DJ EFN, that was our dream, is to say, you know what? We said we're going to start a show, but we only want to, we didn't want to interview the new people, not because we got something personal with that But we don't know their history right like I know your history. I know what you guys been through right? I know so it's easier for me to interview you because it easier for me to sit down chop it up And we have these stories that you oversee smacking me back in my head

And then like you I was just performing a every skin And still have 25 million people checking you out. Now the part is bugged out. But how do we actually change that in hip-hop? This is what I mean piece by piece all the time. Okay. We're the only genre who don't got categories. See, if Janis Joplin was here,

Britney Spears wouldn't be in that category. Because you'd be like, bitch, you in pop. Right. So it'd be heavy metal, pop, alternative music, alternative rock and roll. So you're saying hip-hop should have different categories. We shouldn't be. Mary J. Blossom, Storm Peppa, I mean Mary J. Blossom and all the other black singers are in

hip-hop categories. Right, they shouldn't. It says R&B though. It's a culture. Yes. So it should be. If trap is what it our beetle it's a culture yeah so it should be as trap is what it is it should be a trap if it should be you know club music it should be club hip-hop it should have category even jazz got e-listening jazz adult jazz are really jazz categories we wouldn't be having no problems I tell it be Drake should be like in the um It's something else. Like slow, slow rap. I don't know. It depends because he is a dope hip hop artist too when he does hip hop. So it's the same too but a lot of stuff should be labeled something else. You can't call, no

disrespect, but you can't call this new music hip hop. No disrespect to them. It gotta be labeled something else because the culture that we come from is not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's being thrown under one umbrella. And, you know, it has nothing to do with emceeing, lyrical skills, the boom bap with the hi-hat,

like a real emcee. You had to have BDP, Rakim, I came through the door you know what I mean? Slotty, Dottie, we like the party. You got to have certain things. We had certain things we said before how your hip-hop was the culture. So we got these five elements. If you're adding beatboxing, there's rapping, DJing, graffiti and breakdancing. You want to add beatboxing, can't but but it's a culture but you got to follow the same laws as from 78 that went down to be honest you know what rise or whatever else where to stop that right you know i'm saying but this right here you can't call this because this don't fit the culture

the culture hip-hop is something but you know right but they don't have nothing else to call so they throw it in there they threw tlc in there call So they throw it in there They threw TLC in there too Whatever they can throw in there That looks like it's urban It's under hip hop culture But we gotta realize We walked away kind of from the game And stopped working and being productive

Productive You know back there like in 92 When we seen them dropping music And we felt that was like popped And we dropped the crossover We didn't say nothing We didn't say nothing That's what they said

What did Mike Sawllar say earlier? He said, Micellar said, silence is almost cosine. So when you silence, Micellar walked in right over. I got pictures of Micellar. He said, this is something real on Instagram two weeks ago that was real.

Micellar said, he said, silence is almost acceptance. Acceptance. So it's like what we did was we left the bank vault open with all the guap in it, and they came in and took a couple of bundles. Nobody said nothing, so they just started taking the money back. So we could sit back and complain. Well, what you did, you opened up a forum, and you drew a line,

and you said, this is what I'm going to do, and this is not old school. These guys are legends, and they deserve their respect. But right now you can interview whoever you want because you big but you choose to give us a platform which is dope like who's doing this but don't forget this is what I bug out on not to be going but the radio DJs who we remember that was all playing our shits. Y'all still our age. Y'all forgot about who we... How you act like you don't know us when you wasn't hip-hop at one time? Now y'all all changed?

That was bugging me out because they all got the same jobs and they forgot that we existed. Or that music existed. That's the part I don't understand. So what is Eric Sherman listening to right now? I play all old I feel like you do I do I just play army but me and Paris got a album that we're gonna call dynamic duels and y'all written down

You got a rug company, Oh, you got a rug? Oh, shit! I've been hating for a long time. I've been hating. I've been like, yo, I've been seeing everybody with a rug besides me. Me and Proud were just playing. We got a new acronym. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing right now, E. But I've been... Ooooooh!

You didn't even... Stop it, you're ugly. Stop it. I'ma be honest, we got a new acronym. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Alright, this is what we're gonna do. This is what we're gonna do. Drink Chaps Rug goes to the office. Absolutely. Our shit goes to the shop. But damn, I'm not gonna lie. I feel like I'm not taking that one. Nah, nah, nah. You know what I was going for.

And you got another one? Yo, I'm so sorry. I know that the interview went left. What is that? Because you didn't say nothing. Yo, I'm so sorry. I know that the interview went left. What is that? Because you didn't say nothing. That better not be E.P. and D. I'm taking that to you.

I'm taking that to you. I'm just trying it for you. Listen, you know what? You know what? You know what I want? I'm going to be honest with you. This is big, man. We interviewed Onyx.

And Onyx gave me a pair of sneakers. And then they asked me, what size was it? I said, does it matter? I'm never wearing these. I'm putting it right in my crib. So, you know, Lior, please, really, you're going to go. You're going to go. I'm going to kick my nephew out.

But Lior told me one day, I had went to Lior's house, right? And he gave me the biggest lesson in hip-hop ever. He said to me, he had moved to 20th and Park, right? Or 90th and Park, some shit, uptown, right? Whatever, right? And it was a $20 million house. And he said, do you like my house? And I really didn't like it.

But I had to say yes. It's Leo Combs. It's Leo Combs. You went there? You went there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.. You know what he told me? This taught me hip-hop in two sentences. He said do you like this house? I said yes. He said make sure you're hot enough next year so I can invite you again. At first I wanted to snuff him. Because I'm like, what? That's the most disrespectful shit you could ever tell somebody. He basically told me, you're only here because you're hot right now. That was real, though.

So if you're not hot next year, just remember this house because you won't be back. Whoa, that's ill. That was ill. That sounded like Leo, too. I, that's ill. That was ill. That's something like Leo, too. I'm coming home behind. That's ill. But it taught me something so valuable that never, never,

never appreciate your position because your position can be taken. Right. Another thing is Miami weather taught me the same amount. I'm sorry. I know I'm going all over the place, but just hear me out same amount. I'm sorry. I know I'm going all over the place, but just hear me out.

Right there, Norris. One day, I'm sitting on my balcony, because it's not a terrace. When you get a lot of money, it's called a balcony. We have a balcony in the back. So I'm sitting on my balcony, right?

I rode three months, all right? And I went upstairs to take a pee. Not a shit. But for some reason, I went upstairs, and I went upstairs to take a pee. Not a shit. But for some reason, I went upstairs, and I had a shit. And it rained. Meaning, the three blunts I just rode, they all, and it taught me a valuable lesson. Don't ever appreciate your position. Do your position, but then get the fuck out of

it and I understood that after Leo told me and is this music industry is it really that bad or am i overdoing some stories that I think about no I don't think you're overdoing it I just think it's your perception, like what it was to be a B-boy, hip-hop, just to be a dope MC and to be the best. And then in doing that, you don't realize until you start running into the troubleshoot. So you got to take the burden with the success, okay? So in the beginning, me and Eric just wanted to be dope, strictly business, unfinished business. But then as you become the best, then you know, you got the haters. Before there was haters, so then you get songs like So What You Sayin'.

So What You Sayin'. Okay? But nah, that's normal. You be trying to get your craft off and you just be dealing with a lot of... Let's take it there. So What You Sayin'.

Who is y'all talking about? The people who thought we wasn't going to make it back and that we wasn't going to get past the sophomore jinx. Okay, because and the sophomore jinx, for people that don't know,

that's their second album, correct? Because they always say rappers fall off after their second album. Take us through there. We came, first of all, sitting on the bins in the IROC. Because you guys went gold. The first album went gold. I think me and he probably went platinum.

Because we was on the Run's house tour. Let's make some noise for that guy. You know what I mean? So now, now, now, now, you're going back in the studio. Yeah. And you, you, are you aware of this? Tell the truth. Yeah. No, first we, first we dropped, first we dropped Strictly Business, went on the Runs House tour, came off the road all amped up.

It was a, it was a, it was a tour called Runs House? Runs House with Public Enemy. Yeah. APMP Public Enemy. Oh, before called Run's House Run's House with Public Enemy oh before Run's House reality show yo there was Run's House tour

88 I thought I knew everything about hip hop I'm offended at myself it was a Run's House tour EPMD Public Enemy

J.J. I'm gonna smack myself EPMD sometimes Stetsasonic opened up sometimes Stetsasonic god damn it

what's my man name? What's his name? Daddy-O. Daddy-O. That was the original Gumpy. That was the original Gumpy. He was the original Gumpy. But continue. So yeah, so we came off the road all hype and went in the studio. When you say you hype, was you guys like gassed? Like I think gassed was an understatement. I'm going to be honest. If I would have went on tour with Run-D.M.C., I would have been gassed. We didn't have no money for a tour bus, so Run-DMC let us ride on their tour bus for free.

Right. So we woke up every morning looking at the shell-toed Adidas. On the bottom box though, but we didn't got the sneakers. So when we got up, we see the shell-toes right there, brand new. Brand new. And an unlimited supply of Adidas, anything you want. And Adidas was the shit. I mean, not like one, two, or three pair sneakers, but boxes.

Those were stadium shows, right? They were stadium shows? Stadium. Everything was stadium. Every city we went to. Two or three nights in one. And didn't dread it. Wow.

But think about the album, the process. Yeah, so we went in there. We came off the road. Yo, the Runs Off tour. Sophomore Jinx. Sophomore Jinx. Went in the studio. Back to Charlie Morales, and nothing.

Just was sitting there, nothing. No lyrics, no music, no nothing. Nothing was sounding right. We were just sitting there feeling like, was y'all thinking about the sophomore? Nah, we didn't know about that. We just thought we'd come off and it was gonna happen. And we ended up looking like Cooper Gooden

in Men In Society after his man got killed and he was swinging at the end. That's when we grew up. So we had to step back. And then we adjusted. Then me and Eric went back in there. So what you saying? We was overseas and the DJ was playing Jazzy B, Soul to Soul.

Soul to Soul? And he was playing a mixed version with just the beat, whatever. So I went up there and got the record from him and brought it home. On a DJ that was playing it? A program plate. Wow. So we had that. And I walked straight off the desk for like, yo, homie, let me get that.

Right. And then we went and we made So What You Sayin'. And after that, it just started taking off. So What You Sayin'. Yeah. And then, yeah, then the big payback. Yeah, so I started taking off. The big payback.

And the demo came. Yep. Riding high. You know, riding high, pal. Yeah. Yo, y'all niggas is like. Yo, we built our destiny. We actually built the car.

We built that car. The 68 commandment. The get out contract. You built the car? Literally built the car. And inside the record, that's where it was. And that's where it was. You built the car. We built that car. The 68 Camaro. The get-out contract. You built the car? Literally built the car. It's not the record. That's the point. That's the point.

You built the car? We built it. We took a 350 engine out of a 74 Nova and put it in a 68 Camaro. Everything's creeping down. Whatever. I don't believe it. I don't know. We're Phil Collins in the air.

Me and you said it way too fast. Say that again. You took a what? A 68 Camaro. We took a 68 Camaro. Uh-huh. Took the engine out of a 74 Nova, 250, four barrel carb, put it in the 68 because we used to be drag racing, all that other stuff.

And we stripped down the top, had like a whatever top on it, so we had the square on the top. We had to take the vinyl off. The vinyl off, whatever. Oh yeah, this was Fast and Furious early. Yo, really. Dominic Toretto. First of all, Paris almost died on the motorcycle first.

Let's get to the story. What happened? What happened? Tell us. Yo, was in the lane just moving. On the motorcycle? Yeah, yeah. We used to be wildin'. Yeah.

So, you know, long story short, somebody wasn't paying attention, drift over the yellow lines, and it was time to brace for impact. Wow. And Paris was a star football player, so he played football, quarterback and kicker. You know, that's why the demo was taking long, because Pratt was going to school playing ball, and I was here waiting on it.

So 85, we could have came out 85 years later. What the fuck? You said it. You all heard it. No, there's more to that though, because we used to have to communicate every day. I thought I knew everything about y'all, my nigga. You disappointed me there. I could have died, because Paris, I didn die because Paris is my first time driving.

He almost killed us before EPMD. So I'm not driving. I drive a stick. So I'm going. No stopping. I'm coming right through a license. This was a major intersection where I went right through it. The clutch wasn't something that worked

right. I was like, yo, we went through the manager intersection, bucking, bucking, crazy. Oh, my God. But that all led to... Led to, yeah. I really thought I knew everything about APMD.

Yeah. I'm mad that y'all fucking me up. Like, my history, I'm going back, and I'm talking to my history later, and me and him got a shoot. I told you. My history book, I got afear on my history book. Listen, my nigga, you ain't telling me about the crash, right?

All this stuff made EPMD crazy, especially with the... We came out late 88, so we watched Rakim, Kane, Light, Kramer Understand. ZZ said he was still spending money for 88. Right, people actually- Did you see him in 88? No, I didn't see him. Oh, nice. People ask us questions.

People ask us questions, so and so, like, how did these people influence y'all? Because they're the same era. So yeah, they were, but they was out before us, before we came. So I heard, we got to listen to Chris, Rob, and Kane, Biz, before that. So we had to come. Everybody else out there was dangerous. We couldn't even try to sleep.

I mean, like, for real. Because they all came out. We all came out the same year. And Biz is from Brentwood. So we used to see him at the Pancake House. Oh, Biz used to be in the Pancake House one time. He used to be in the Pancake House. He used to be in the Pancake House.

At the Pancake House? Yeah, Biz Monk sitting there with Chuck Jules. Yeah. Like, just nothing but Jules. Yeah, like just nothing He told me he's like, yeah, I heard you if you make a demo Yeah, we sit in there business trying to give us the beat to ain't no house stepping back Yeah, I have a master we did we have a case a no house Yes, we said no, that's okay. We went and made this my thing. I'm custom. Yeah. Oh my you matched Can't was a good a step or two. Yeah, that was pretty short.

That was his. You needed that. Yes, right. Can you imagine that? And then you said you made it after that? It's my thing, you're a customer. It's my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chopper. Yeah, yeah. Kane. That's right. You know what I think of? I think of selling weed in Harlem. I'm sorry. Goddamn.

I sold weed in Harlem at that time, but I'm sorry. What year was that? 88. 87? 87 November. But it came out in 88, the album dropped. there i think i saw weed in harlem at that time but i'm sorry what year was that in the 87th 87 november i was it came out in the 88th album job and now i want to describe 88 because i don't like it that like my favorite well the only reason why my name is of course is not like it but 88 was so what i'm asking right because my favorite, like when I think of my favorite era of hip-hop that I lived in, it has to be 98. Of course. But 88 was what made my 98 the shit.

Wow. So I want to actually describe, I want to, as a fan, I want y'all to tell us that year, because what was it? LL. It was phenomenal. Nice and small. Special Lair. small special layer special layer NWA oh my god like MC lights rock MC lights you have audio too, Milka is chillin' was it NWA? No NWA came after right? they came same year same year

anybody came the same year I want you to describe that for me. This was personal use. This was personal use. This was serious. Because you had the music, the industry, and the artists. It's funny. We rarely think about one of the most important pieces of clothing that we buy and we wear is actually our underwear. Comfort is the most important thing. And

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We wasn't advanced like that. So we knew we had to step it up. He got on stage and he had a slip roll. Like, no, you know the tale when we done the whole town. And he had a slip roll. We had to step Like no, you know to tell when we done the whole time The dog carry on oh, no, he was really there ready Yep, but he knew it came to what he was he doing. Yeah, he's fucking Madonna already already oh yeah let's make some noise big daddy can't I don't know if it's true but fuck it let's just ride with the room let's make some noise you know what but that, if it wasn't for that year, I don't think I could ever appreciate my year. Because my success has always been bittersweet.

Meaning, we came out in 1997. And my partner, who is my best friend, he went to jail. Yeah. That impact. Tony was...ia why we didn't understand the corner Tony that's all new shit right there New York way up right like it was really bad. You want to tell you some funny shit? You know who's supposed to be on the remix to T.O.N.Y.?

Biggie Smalls. Yeah. So, look, this is the crazy shit. You know when I watched Big's interview, right? I mean, excuse me, I watched Big's movie. Right. And if you remember, when he was making these last phone calls That shit made me cry because he called me

And he said he said yo I'm jumping on this record, but back then you know we had bootlegs So when he played me the record I knew that it wasn't coming. I didn't know it was it out So I said how you get this? And I forgot Nasheen Myricks worked for Bad Boy so Nasheen Myricks who did the

record he just randomly played it for them and was like yo these new niggas coming out from Queens and he heard it but he went to LA and he must have heard it again and he called, look the nigga wanted to sign Capone I ain't gonna lie I thought it was over he was not into a temporary at this time right like he made him outside of hot 97 and Capone kicked around and he was like I'm gone

I'm signing you and I was like I feel like we part but I was so scared, this is Biggie Swole all the time, I was so scared. But bring it back, is the era. If I didn't, if 88 didn't happen, as me as a fan, 98 wouldn't be as important. So y'all came out with the toughest of the toughest, biggest. Yeah. Like, how was those tours back then? Like, how was it? Like, I know y'all ain't-

I'll give you a perfect example of this one, too, because you asked the question, I'm just going to say it. We all on Rush. Big Daddy Kane is 10 house down. We're on the LL Cool J tour, E.P. and D. 10 house down, too. So, me and Pryor's feel that we're 10 house down enough that we should go on after you yeah we should run after King King yeah you know Detroit Joe back then was it was that a heavy d2 was that I was big so Leo Cohen has rushed man because Kane was in Russia yet. Right, right, okay, okay. So he made the call, because me and Proud said,

you know, so we had Carl Blanche over that position because of the rush management. The next day, Kane comes out with a hot tub, Speedos. On the stage. He said, ladies, I got three things to tell you. Mm, mm, mm. And the paint stopped coming off the ceilings. What?

And the light fixtures stopped coming off the stands. We said, yo, yo, Leo, look. You mean? Yo, change the order back. Turn it off. The way it was. Yeah, so. Oh, we still had to go on that night.

We still had to go on that night. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you one thing, right? I'm going to tell you one thing, right? I'm gonna tell you one thing. One night, I'm on the road with Akineli, right? And Akineli, you know, put it in his mouth. But the problem was, nobody never saw the video. So everybody, like, threw him to the back. Meaning, they was like, oh, you gotta go on first. But Akineli got a real stage performance like he's like busting rounds without the records okay right without the hit

records to go with it but he's gonna kill you on stage and he's gonna have a bitch put a banana in their mouth and all that like anything they're gonna dance they got scooped they got the he had the fake scoop and scrap he didn't have cane scooping scrap right what was the niggas name well I know yeah you know he had dances for real showtime ebook and showtime and look so one day I forget what artists it was but they was like yo I can really gotta come off first so I came and grabbed me I had la la and t on y that's it I said I had nothing else nothing else so I comes and I kid you not he had 12 minutes he did the best 12 minutes I ever seen in life and then people said I can let it go

close from now on. Wow. But that's how it is. Sometimes people just come out there. What you doing, Ching Baby? Yo, I'm sorry. I'm interrupting. I'm scheming. I got my first contract.

Part of itself, this is classic moment. Norby got the classic EP and D. Y'all my favorite artists. This is Sparfit. Listen, I've been rocking with y'all since 1990. Listen, I've been locked in. We've been locked up together for a long time.

For a very long time. And then my next favorite group is Capone and Noriega. I never followed nobody else after that. I was just stuck there. So this is a real classic moment for me. You got your contract? Yeah, I got my contract right here. God damn it. I'm saving people lives. I'm saving people lives. I got advice. I got a contract right here by the side. My brother Nori got me a nice check. Hold on, hold on. Chi Ali. Chi Ali, you let him go.

Me and Mike's got to make a move. Oh, my bad, my bad. Give me a call. I love you. I love you. See you next time. Appreciate it. Hey, what are you here for?

I'm here to Tuesday. Okay. I got some money. Come to Miami. Okay, sure. Hey, sir. You going to be uptown? Yeah, yeah. Ross, right? I got you. You coming to Miami? Okay, sure. Yo, hey, sir. You gonna be up there? Yeah, yeah, with Ross, man. Yeah, we gonna film that later.

I'm in. What do you mean with Ross? No, Ross got a party uptown. Yeah. When? Nah, that's it. That's it. Tonight?

Yeah, tonight. Why, you hanging out? Y'all hanging out? Y'all hanging out? I'm old, B. Yeah, I'm old. We gonna get him tomorrow. Matter of fact, I'm bringing the D.I.T.C.

Who's the girl that calls for you? I'm hitting you. I'm hitting you. I'm bringing the DRTC. Who's the girl that calls for you? I'm hitting you. I'm hitting you when I'm done. Tell them to call me. Okay. Okay. You making connections?

So, what is your favorite EPM beat record? You Gots to Chill. You Gots to Chill. You Gots to Chill. Yeah. Big favorite record. Yeah. And that's a big song because a lot of people thought we was from the West Coast because of that West Coast feel. Well they thought EPMD was from the West Coast period. All the sounds we...

Because while everybody was doing James Brown we was sampling funk groove records. Like LA was doing. They was only gang banging too. Like we'd do a show in LA, we'd be there every two weeks. And we'd be at the skating rink and they'd be hailing helicopters and the time you across from a hit, boom, fight start. Yo, our shows used to be so wild in LA and Texas that they, we used to have to do You Gots to Chill about four or five times a night. Right, because the gunshots. Matter of fact, we used to club Rhinestars in Houston.

And they'd be like, yo, go, yo, yo, start that over, dog. Yeah, yeah. Because they'd be so close to the stage. They'd be like, do that again. How did the big payback video come about? The big payback? Yo, we shot that in West Coast. We just basically wanted to do something different. So we reached again out to Eazy-E.

Eazy-E hooked it up with Dr. Dre, Ice Cube. Them could come out, show us some love. And we just wanted to show the camaraderie with the East Coast and the West Coast. I feel like you should explain that more because a lot of us, a lot of the young people, they just see Straight Outta Compton. Yeah, okay. And they actually think Eazy-E's a dark-skinned person, right? Because, I mean, let's be honest. He's not, though.

He wasn't dark like but but in the movie but let's big up that actor cuz that actor killed is so much so I want you to scribe that like you know just you know the West Coast connection was a lot of people you know, they think they think that The East Coast West Coast beef was real when no actuality that that means some of our number one markets as New York So, you know, I mean how big he was in California After la la yeah, our records was going number one in LA. But we were shook because they're like, you know.

Because it was already a problem. Yeah, but it was real. And it was contaminated. But not with the actual people. This is what I'm saying. The fame was just the hype. It wasn't them. But with us, you know, Eric Wright working with NWA,

he was kind of doing the same thing we were doing on the East Coast. So there was Miss Shelle, there was the D.O.C., they were signed to Atlantic Records, I had K-Solo on Atlantic Records, and through there, the communication was there once we came through on the second album, like, hey, we want to do something different,

the big payback, we got respect for y'all, y'all got respect for us, and they showed up. And they came to the Beverly Hill Gun Range with their own weapons. Yeah, they came with their own, yeah he was really out there with mad shit take apart like yo they didn't even yeah they didn't even need their weapons any dance yep so now you just said you just said case-Solo, right? Yeah.

Because K-Solo was your artist. Right. And then Redman was your artist. And at one point, we thought that they were the same person. Like Humpty Humpty. Like Humpty Humpty. At one point, we thought they were the same person. And then it felt like they had problems because they both had afros

Wild here. Uh, no, I'm correct. Um, but did they ever have problems? We got problems later on but you would get squad and he was his squad Yeah, but I had to do it and I was just solo talking that one time Okay, you know another given props though, but again, he was just like talking but I mean like getting everything is done now but there wasn't no between the crews it was just him yeah him talking shit about what what did he do it all he said so much oh yeah about this about Reggie and me and and we'll get death row one point yeah Yeah he did Yeah Who? K-Solo? Yeah he signed over there

Wow K-Solo went to Death Row? Mmhmm Where the fuck was I at? I wasn't around And his producer Sam Snead That was Solo's producer too

Along with Paris That went to Death Row too So now Keith Murray's also your artist Or y'all was together He was signed to me Yeah he was signed to me So How did you Let's describe that When did you first meet Keith Murray is also your artist, or y'all was together? He was signed to me. Yeah, he was signed to me. So, how did you, let's describe that.

When did you first meet Keith Murray? Murray's name was Keefy Keef. Right? And I saw a tape of him battling Big Daddy Kane at a diner for Kane's birthday. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. That sounds so right. Because you said a tape. You a minute. Wait a minute. That sounds so great. Because you said a tape. You didn't say you looked on live.

A VHS tape. A VHS tape. Yeah. Okay. I have it. You have it still? I have it on DVD though. Yeah, yeah.

And Keith Murray. Battle Kane. Daddy Kane and a diner. Yes. What year was this? He said, he said, he said,

you got to take the skills up, little boy. Wait, who said that to who? Kane said it to Murray. To Murray? 88. And I feel like, because I feel like Keith Murray was smoking dust his whole life. No, he wasn't. Keith Murray didn't snuff him?

No, no. Murray was a kid. He was like 15 years old. And he battled Kane? What Kane is this? Is this? 88. First Kane. Brand new. Yeah, that's. It's battled Kane? What Kane is this? 88. First Kane. Brand new.

It's the hot Kane right there. It's Kane Kane. And he battled. On his birthday. See, see, born was Kane's family too. That was also Keith Murray's uncle. So they was, in Brooklyn, they was family.

He happened to be going to the diner for Kane's birthday after the show that happened in Manhattan. And or having to be goes to dine up for Kane's birthday after the average after a show That happened in Manhattan. Okay, and Murray happened to be with with his uncle and then he said Keep not a rap. So keep not scared When that came kinda and then came this, you know got loose loose. You wasn't there. He didn't scream because he was young dude. No, no, he didn't, but it wasn't even like that though. He just said like, you know, Cain looked at him like he was a, you know, a child. You know, that's cute.

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Now I gotta ask you. What are you listening to now? Oh man, I'm listening to a little bit of everything. Me too. You know, I stick to the, to our generation, the legends and stuff like that. Me too. You know, it's definitely LL, what is it, Panther, An Animal That Kills, I'm like a shark with blood coming out the gills.

Yo, remember we was rocking Go, Creator Go? Yeah. I can remember that, what's that, the cassette tape, Go, Cut Creator, Go? Yeah. I can remember that. It was like the cassette tape, right? What album was that? That was 86 or 87? No, 86. I'm going to sit back and let that go.

Yeah, before, this is my thing to a customer. Go, Cut Creator, Go. Yeah, yeah. We used to study this. We pumped that tape. We studied that. You understand? Remember we said in eighth grade we was driving to Delancey Street to pick up Sucka MC it's like that because I used to DJ and I gotta get back to y'all making the

car too because that was crazy you know made the car built the car still got the car so you do you is there anybody from the new generation that you actually do fuck with? Joey Badass? Yeah, Joey Badass. Yo. Kendrick. Did you hear Kendrick's album? Yo, yo, yo, sit down, humble.

Sit down, humble. All the young cat like that already that advanced to do a single like that. Crazy. And you know what the crazy shit is it's musical though yeah that album like you know you know you know you know the thing about dre is like if you listen to the content album um uh it might not be as lyrically impactful but if you listen to it at a music standpoint yeah it's still phenomenal so it's that chronic.

Sonically, you're saying that's how it is for 2B. You're right, because if you're trying to hear the chronic, you're not. No, it's not the chronic. It ain't that. The sounding of the music. When Dre's on it like that, that's why everybody that's on there... I feel like producers make better music than regular artists. If you're a producer...

Oh yeah, definitely. because the track comes first. And then you're making the track to let it start running, and then that's how we did most of our music. Because the beat that we picked for y'all, because right now we have Capone, Noriega, Mobb Deep, M.O.P., Salt-N-Pepa, Blackstar. Did you put us in that category? I'm feeling good.

No, Dynamite Duels is coming. It's coming on Rock Nation. You gassing me. No, I'm gassing. Act like my sister. You just put me in the category with Salt-N-Pepa, EPMD. The Dynamite Duels that made the impact. We only working with groups on this album.

Groups. Only groups. That's the point. Dynamic duels. Big business. Big business. And I'm also hating it because I felt like I should have came in with that. That's crazy, right?

That's why when I see Capone, you have no idea. No, no, no. No, no. See how I got to say, oh, shit. Right. Because the crib was sitting there like. Wanting to make sure. See, and then we got the crib saying, you know, Snoop and Dre.

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Yo, Don Q. The dude from South Carolina. Yeah, Don Q's nice. Nick. Oh, Nick Grant. Yeah, that guy is dangerous. Oh, he's dangerous. I just met him at Charlemagne.

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was in my balcony and I listened to and to tell you the truth you know because I'm an artist first I always kind of like listen to your music to say, fuck you, like not in a bad way, but I listen to it and be like, I feel like I'm better. Leo Cohen said, all artists are assholes. And he's right. Leo Cohen said that. He's right. I'm like, I don't think I'm like that, you asshole.

You're an asshole. No, not now, you straight now. So when I listen to Kendrick's shit, I want it to hate and not a bone in my body. Stop lying. No, because you know why? I just want to compare myself

to every new artist. I want to be like, yo, I could beat you. But when I listen to that shit... But we feel that way. No, we don't. Yeah, we do. Paul, no, you feel that way.

But there's nobody to go against. You can't compare yourself to that. That's not rhyming. Not Kendrick and them, but the majority. But when I heard his album, I'm not going to lie to you, it made me remember how much I loved hip-hop. It made me remember

how much I loved you guys' albums. It made me remember how much I loved Anas' album. It made me remember how much I loved a KRS album. No time like that. 90s, it's sad to say we would never experience nothing like that. When every group had their own identity. Nobody had to rhyme like nobody.

Everybody had their own sound. And we all won. How do you have to do sound and we all won. Yeah Opposite everybody sounds insane crazy Somebody's Instagram right and the guys on the Instagram and he sounds just like future Right, but the guy says these other rappers want to copy me But that's how crazy it is is that nobody checks that nobody checks it? Nobody says right yo back then like you said biting Yeah was bad like yo me and Capone went all out not to be compared to mobb deep Right, you don't understand like when we came out and we our first record was la la

He's on the same record with mobb deep right so they automatically. Ah, that's the fake version of mobb deep That's what I run of mobby that's what I'm on beat mobby yeah me and this nigga we did everything in our nature to not be compared to the main yeah but jobs no in there so that's why we did all right oh wait yeah that's why we wanted to get away from that right but the thing is nowadays if they say you sound like that guy, it's actually a good thing. It's like they're complimenting you. That's why I say, hey, well, listen, they can never be you.

Listen, no, I swear to God, I tell it to you all the time. My sister called me Michael Jackson at the crib. Not because of that, because no matter what you do, young kid, you will never be me. That's right. This is 30 years. That's right. You haven't even did three yet after you finish how can you eat after this I'm still torn how you want to eat I'm just saying I want to realize

if I can be there and see how are you eating because nobody's coming to watch you in 10 years right right so how are you going to eat if you didn't save? Right. And you want to disrespect me. I feel sorry for you. Why? Because you would never be me. You would never sell these records.

You would never have number one albums. You would never be touring. You would never be in these arenas. To do Summer Jam, you need 1,800 new people. Without them, you won't pack it. Talk that shit. And we got to come check them. people. Without them, you won't pack it. And right now, if any one of us go,

if it's CNN, Nas, EPMD, whatever, and two more of the groups, we can pack 51,000 with nobody on the radio. Usually I get people drunk to talk like how you talk. And you're just sober. You're sober drunk. I'm going to try talk like how you talk. He came out the gate. You're just sober. You're sober drunk. I'm going to try to get you to talk. No, because again, we ride or we don't eat.

People have to appreciate who you are. Don't let nobody take this from you. Me and Paris are humble to a fault sometimes. I'm like, those niggas ain't us. Looking bad. They got over with that. niggas ain't us Look at that They got over with that They would never be us Right

Look at your wall I go in and say Oh that's hip hop That's why we get songs Like the crossover But that's why That's why I drink champs We won't be humble for you

Right We gonna represent Yeah EPMD Not only tonight But we gonna represent EPMD every fucking day But look how you won

Nobody was expecting you to win right they can't win with this right? I don't know people on there no we watching these old niggas talk about no nothing none of that You know what I love about this show like a lot of times we listen to it while we traveling right and you get to Hear the stories that you didn't know exactly like yo oh shit we saw a PMD video on we like oh so we made it now I'm gonna said on the shit like, yo, oh shit, we saw an EPMD video on, we like, oh shit, we made it now, we on the video after EPMD. Right. Like, the stories that people give y'all

from on the show, like the shit that we learned, I learned something from Pete. Yeah. And what comes out. Yeah. It's crazy. When you're on the show,

you know what it is, we gotta give our artists their flowers when they can smell them, give them their trees when they can't have them. Hold up, no, stop right now. Please stop. Yeah. A stranger in Detroit came to my room. We gotta give our artists Flowers when they can smell them Give them their trees When they get a hello Hold on No, stop right now Please stop

A stranger in Detroit Came to my room And told me the same shit Do not let nobody Don't Capone Let them represent you And congratulate you While you living

Yeah, that's right Don't let nobody Give you props when you dead That's right Get all you Supposed to get While you living Don't bring flowers to my funeral And that's the. Don't let nobody give you props when you dead To my and that's and that's the thing that's the thing is um, I'm glad I see I see Our culture suffers from that I seen that every other culture Like I said, I went to this account office and the account is you know, or you know older rock bands

I was the only black guy there. But, they, they was collecting checks and they was doing that and I'm like, damn. And I'm like, yo,

why, why, why we don't do that in hip hop? Like, why we don't, like, it doesn't cost me nothing

to tell you, I love you. No doubt. Right. Right. No doubt. It don't cost me nothing. Right.

It don't cost me nothing to say, every time I see Eric Sherman, to me and him to be,, you know, we play around. Yeah. But, you know, he shows me respect. I show him respect. Yeah.

Yeah. Why don't we do that in public? I'm not saying us. I'm saying in general. Most people won't. They don't want to do that. They don't want to say. Like, if I grew up listening to you.

Yeah. And if you made what Capone and Noriega is, I got to tell you that to your face. Yeah, no question. And I got to say, everything we did as Capone and Noriega, we tried to be EPMD. So I tell Rocky to his face, I'm like, yo, and I'm like, as a man,

I tell Ronnie DMC to their face. I let them people know to their faces. I don't care who it is. If you influence me, I'm giving it to you. I'm giving it up though. But people be like, yo, I know what I'm saying, but that's only us. I'm not sweating him. I'm not jogging him. I think that's our society. That's our society. Because the thing about it is, me and Capone would be the fakest people in the world if we didn't say we wasn't influenced by you.

Right. Me and him would be the corniest dudes in the world if we didn't say, yo, you know we was trying to be EPMD. Yeah. Like, we were. Right. But that doesn't make us bad at all. No, it doesn't.

Because we would follow and run the MC. I mean, we took 88 for y'all. It's rock boxes. Blaine. Some MCs for us. And we blatantly took this shit. And we related 1983. It's a little suck of a mind.

It's for the... Can I give you another shot? Can I give you another shot? But what does that say now about today's generation? You're ready to take your shot. Come on. Obviously, there wasn't

the leaders for them. Yo, I noticed my glass is the biggest in here. I'll watch... I'll watch Envy say that too. We're going back to it too. If we would have said something, it wouldn't have got that far.

We didn't say anything. We let stuff just get out of hand and it got like this. Right. So we say our generation dropped the ball. We dropped the ball. But we're starting to work down.

Even in parenting. Right. Even in parenting. Like us as, not us as parents, but the parents too. Right. Our parents was the last

parents that parented children too. Right. And we don't like to switch the bill. Do you and right somebody told me the other day is that um and I agree with them but they said to me you see you don't like this new generation of hip-hop it's okay they said what is your fault yeah and they said cuz you didn't say that right right yeah and I said this is similar to And they said, because you didn't say nothing. Right. Right. Yep. And I said, similar to what my son said earlier. And I said, what? They said, you didn't say nothing.

Like, when you knew it was bullshit happening, you never said nothing, all right? Yep. You just sat down. Nobody said shit. And I'm always sitting back, like, yo, fuck, dude. What the fuck? To ourselves.

And then by the time we did realize it, it was too late. It was too late. Too late. Too late. Too late. Because you know what? I'm two of them out loud did realize it, it was too late. It was too late. It was too late. Because you know what I'm all out. We actually, it was actually about lyrics when we just came out. It was actually about beats. It was all, right now it's about melody.

Yeah, melody. If you have a great melody, you can be whack as fuck. And they can do all that. Yeah, yeah. They can be whack as fuck, but if you have a great melody, a sing along melody, everybody come for it. Come for it. Yo, and don't forget our era, we had to go to Power Play studio.

We had a lot. In Queens. That's right. While we was gone. Power Play was, that's why Giggins was, that was it for us. Power Play. What about Power Play? Our sounds, what you saying came out of Power Play?

Power Play. Wow. We used to, Karras 1 used to have a sleeping bag in here. Yo, Paul, when was our demo recorded? For real. Power Play. It was? Okay. What was the demo? There was a little camera out front. Yes, I'll do more recording When the niggas told me to come I was like, I didn't know how to get there. But I was just like, yo, I'm getting there.

But I was broke as fuck. But me and Pratt has got signed for $1,500 on our first contract. Oh, y'all beat us. We got signed for $5,000. We got signed for $5,000. Biz Markie came with lower than ours. Okay, hold on. Keep bringing up Biz Markie came with lower than ours. Okay, hold on. Keep bringing up Biz Mark. Biz Mark, wherever you at, we need you on Drink Champ.

We got Biz Mark out there doing it right now. You know what the craziest thing is? A lot of people don't know that that's what I get my humor from. My humor comes from Biz Mark. Biz Mark was the first person that made me listen to a record and then laugh yeah when he said I'm gonna put you know pick a booger and put it on the basketball I was like damn could I visualize that I was like yeah that's some family and so a lot of people they ask me and I say my humor comes from Bismarck but again these people don't know who biz Markie is right so they sit back but

the kids know from your guy now you're gonna get yeah yeah yeah what desk where it came from that was like the first like comedic rapper right right and since then it hasn't been one right now I'm taking over that position but I'm taking over it from a media standpoint and at the end of the day I can never forget my forefathers like how you gonna be gonna he never heard that you ain't another but you know to this day this walk is still the same way he wasn't great with then. And granddaddy at you. And, yo, on the same page.

Oh, yeah. The big granddaddy at you. Yo, you know, you know. Big shout out to granddaddy at you. Granddaddy at you. Look, I've been following Long Island. Listen, I'm listening. I'm going to tell you a nigga's song.

Um, I heard this nigga say, I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia. Boy, would I like to stick something in ya. this nigga say, I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia. Boy, would I like to stick something in ya. I was a rapper from that moment. I did not understand. From Grand L.A.U.? From Grand L.A.U., Main Meat, Grit Made, and R.E. I'm going to be honest with you.

Wow. When I heard that. Does he know that? He knows it. I said it like 17 million times. He knows it. He ain's like 17 million but that shit right there was like I got a rap now like I got to do I didn't know how I was gonna rap I didn't know how I was gonna make it yeah but but from that from

those who broke was right there but let's get back to you cause I thought that rock him done let's get back to EPMD That's how I felt When I came down Let's get back to EPMD I was going to say Arguably But probably the best Two man group Ever In life In existence

I'm standing in front Of both of y'all I felt like one of y'all Was going to come I felt like it was Just one person I was like damn I'm going to fuck up

Like But then Your brother Was already on you A big fan told you Yo what's his name person I was like wow that's crazy fuck up like I believe it but they guys your brother was already on you that's my man Tony yo what's his name Anton from Brentwood and 12 from truth. And by the way, where's the tiger bone? Yeah, yeah. We're missing some. Yeah, we're missing some elements. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's OK.

That's gone. We're not buying anything. Yeah, he said, yo, you got to check out Nori's show. Yeah. What is it? No, it's called Drink Chance. He said it's the dopest shit ever. Yeah.

I mean, he was excited. Yo, we take like four hour rides. We listen to the music two hours into the hip hop and everything. You take the old track,. Plug it in. Drink Chance. So you got to adjust. That's why. OK. We be hiring people as well. I was into the hip hop and everything. You take the old track, plug it in, dream champs. So you gotta adjust.

That's why. You gotta be higher people as well. But then as you ride it, you're like, yo, I didn't know that. So you just drop, you get this, this like behind the music. And that's what it is. Thank you.

It's because, you know why? The thing is, we don't have an inside the NBA for hip hop. We don't have it. Right. So when you look at Kenny Smith who's from left rack by the way I threw that in there yeah that was a shot yeah I watched Kenny Smith I watched Charles Barkley and even though I don't agree with Charles Barkley yeah it's like you know what you can't argue with him because he played the game right he actually played the game at a high level so even when i don't even like fuck with him i don't know i don't

fuck with his views at all right like i don't fuck with his views at all but i can't say i don't fuck with him right because he played the game at a high level and he's giving back and his opinion should be his opinion yeah so we all sat all sat back, me, EFN, and sat back and said, where is our version of that? Yeah. Why don't we have that? Why don't we have it?

And not only not have that, but why don't we have people that want to show love back to the culture? Like, I have no problem telling... But still, that got to be more than... No, but I have no problem telling you... I have no problem telling you. But still, that gotta be more than 60. You need to stop talking about that. No, but I have no problem telling you. I have no problem telling you. If it wasn't for EPMD,

then we'd be at Capone and Ari. Right, paying super homage like we pay homage to Run D.C. But in this generation, you would have people who use your music build their whole career and then walk past me and E like we ain't EPMD. That only makes you work harder. Build a whole career like when they freestyle and then walk past me

That only makes you work hard how did I feel that it was gonna like it You like when people you like when people freestyle over your music Back in the day when somebody used your music or said your rhyme, it was homage. It was homage. Now it's not. They didn't write the track, they meant it. Yo, I seen a dude, I kid you not, I walked to MTV, right? I walked to MTV. The dude put on a freestyle of that day of my music and walked right by me.

And I looked at the nigga and I'm like, damn damn, do you know you robbed off a band from TV? I want to shank you. I want to shank you over that alone. But the fact is, you walked right by me. Right, right. That's crazy. And then the people from MTV was trying to tell him, like, yeah. They introduced me, and he didn't even know who I was

That's ill They introduced me and he was like, yo, this is Norie Alright, cool Right, right He gave me that Like, cool I'm like, nigga, you're riding on my shit Like, I was so mad

I had to actually Relax But I didn't want to relax. That's crazy. And I'm like, I was so, like, can you not,

you ever see the cartoons? Like, when the shit comes out? Yeah. Like, I know steam was coming out of my shit because I was like this. But I'm trying to keep holding down.

And I'm like, eh. That's the thing about it is, I knew who you were. Right. I knew who Rakim was. Right. I knew who Nas was. Yeah, we did. I knew who Marvin was. I knew who you were I knew who Rakim was I knew who Nas was

I knew who Marvin was I knew who Dress was I knew who Black Sheep was I knew all these people So if I actually touched your record He said to me Why did you do that? I can say

Cause I love you Not because I'm rhyming on something that's hot And it bothers me Because I even blame the producers. I blame the engineers. Because before you tell these niggas to rhyme on this shit, tell these niggas to do some research on who it is. Because in our era,

we wouldn't rhyme on somebody else's dope shit if we couldn't represent it like what they did. If you can't represent it. Right. It's like, I'm not going to get on Kane's Raw. So many people. If I can't. Oh, what? So many people. recreate bad from TV oh yeah and I tell them no not

because it can't be recreated but my one of my best friends and hip-hop was named big pun right he's not around right So there's no way we can recreate this moment. Let's let that moment die. And it's my record. I paid for these motherfuckers to be on the record. So how dare you

motherfuckers try to do over. And they be sending me their links and I'll be like, uh-uh. I don't want to play it. They be sending me their links and I'll be like, uh-uh. I don't want to play it. Right. Right. They be sending me the links too. I look at it. I say, relax. In my mind.

No, that's the one thing that Pete Rock fell with, was the kid from Chicago. Chief Keef? No. The big rapper when he did, women this over. The beat. You're not supposed to touch women that. I know. Nah when he did um reminisce over You're not supposed to touch women

Yo, listen, listen, I'm beyond you can't touch any EPMD record Yeah, yeah, I made too much. I know we can't tell the people that use them to the young guys Yo, you know the most sample dudes in hip hop Like for all beats if you do the history Yo, he and I are the most sample dudes in hip-hop. Hip-hop. History. Like, from all our beats, if you do the history. Yeah. Tons of people. Beat for beat. Beat for beat.

And they destroy us. Keep it real. Let's go. Did you like when artists touched this shit? Well, at that time, yeah. Well, because we was kind of off the grid, so it kind of helped us out a little. Okay. You know what I mean?

Because I ain't gonna lie. From Mario Wines, I don't want no. I know I made a hundred grand. I don't want no. I made a wines I want no I know I made a hundred grand god damn it got yes so classic man let me just tell you and Josie come and talk to me to Two of your customers. Oh yeah, Drake. Oh shit. Dude, I'm doing the whole shit. Yo, Drake just used your customer a couple months ago? Yeah, Drake just used my customer too.

But Puffy was destroying your customer. Oh, and Drake paid me too. Let's make some noise for Drake. He paid me. I hooked him up with DMX. I don't know why, but you know, I don't know why he even called me. He called, 40 called me and said. Oh, 40 called you, okay. 40 called me and said,

Drake, the sample two DMX record. He feels like DMX going to diss him for it. So he called me, and you know, naturally, I'm the plug. Made it happen. Put him on the phone with DMX, and the dog didn't give a fuck. Dog, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and the dog didn't give a fuck. The dog, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta give this a fuck. Young niggas got each other no more, man. I'm gonna get down to this. But that's what it is. I'm going too far. But that's what

that bop should be. He's not going too far. Nah, but that shows me right there. See, Drake had the consideration. Didn't know. Wanted to go the right way in his career. But you know what? You know what, P?

To me, I respect that. If I'm going to touch your record, I'm going to actually reach out to you and say, yo, listen. I feel like I'm going to do this. And because you know what it is? A couple of brothers Touched my record It was called Sometimes Right

It's about my father My father It's about my father Passed away right So when I say sometimes I want to cry and pray Sometimes Sometimes I want to chill and lay

Sometimes Sometimes I get drunk All goddamn day Sometimes I want to go Back around the way Sometimes I want to ride a smoke Sometimes Sometimes I got money go back around the way. Sometimes I want to ride the smoke. Sometimes, sometimes I got money

and I still feel broke. When I say things like that, you can't take this sometimes and be like, sometimes I want to fuck the bitch. Sometimes I want to lick the shit.

Sometimes I want to fuck the bitch. I don't like it. I don't like it. Because this is about my father would you actually listen to the record because if you listen to the record you understand

that this is not what you want to take from this record so these people they do it they send it to me and I'll mind you I'm going to be honest I don't own the record so when they sample it, they don't actually have to clear it with me. But I don't clear it in my mind.

I'm a foul nigga. And I don't like you taking the concept away What it actually is? Like it does like it just like y'all y'all y'all for nigga to say slow down baby And then the nigga just he just takes it and he makes it big up, baby Right so so do you have a problem with that? What was the kid that used Rampage Over? Oh, no, not Joey. No.

Man, what's the kid who did Rampage Over with LL Cool J? Oh, Action Bronson. Action Bronson. My brother's back. Okay, we back. Oh, I forgot. That was y'all record. I thought it back. Okay, we back. Oh, and, and, and. Oh, I forgot that was y'all record. I thought it was Allen.

Oh my God. So he went and grabbed Allen. And then he didn't get y'all. Oh my God. Action. You from Queens too. But he did get in contact to actually use it. He didn't jump out there.

He jumped in there before Claire. And you think, look it, like the people who used our records, they turned them into classics for themselves. You got Jay-Z, Ain't No Nigga, It's My Thing. You got Jay-Z, you got DMX, Get At Me, Dog, Let's Get The Bozak. Kanye West, Gold Digger. So yes, thank you, Kim Sermon. Kanye West, Gold Digger. Yeah, I went too far. I went too fast. Come on, come on.

Ain't No Nigga? Is this my thing? Yeah, that's his first single. Yeah, it's my thing. Absolutely. Get At Me, Dog, Let's get the bozak. While I'm making it, take it, MC,

shaking and breaking my oven to 300 degrees and start baking MCs like potatoes, meats kicking like Kato. Oh, my God. And then the rough riders did a head bingo over.

The rough riders. Yeah. The rough riders did a head bingo over. Yeah. I love that. I love it. But see, that now,

now, that's respect. So now, now, because for me, if a person calls me and they say, I want to do it over, like again, some of these joints, I don't, I don't own it. So when they say that, it kind of puts me at ease. So do these people call you prior to they sample your records? Or they- Not someone to reach out, but it's really, like you said before, it's publishing.

They don't have to call us right this depth gym now But that they got it, you know, let's they taking the rhymes or something like that or whatever Or whatever we see it in our publishing, right, you know, so like I said, I didn't get a call from Mario But we still got the money Let me tell you something, because I can go with y'all for $17,000 million. This is dope. We finally made it here, because it's happening. Yo, damn. No, you know what's the craziest shit?

So we ain't going to Miami. I thought you was not going to be on point with the rugs. I really doubted you. Are you crazy? I'm sorry. You see this? At least you're honest. This is a box.

What's the site for it? This is DeafRugs.com Right, you know what? We have DeafRugs.com, which is the website. We have at DeafRugs on Instagram. And you know what we were under

the rugs? It was Capone. He's hanging right now because you ain't getting Capone. We was working fast. We was working fast. You remember that? Wait, wait, wait. You remember? He actually had that for me. No, no, no. We wasn't even expecting this. This right here was even doper. We wasn't expecting to see Capone in here. I told Capone as soon as I see Capone. I'm like, I'm about to say, oh shit. As soon as I see him, I'm like, oh shit. Separately., oh shit. I said, oh shit.

But as far as that, we just knew that in the short period of time, Ali, short period of time, we work a short period of time, but this is my number, this is my partner in color. So he was like,

you know what I'm saying? Okay, yo, I got something I can get done quick. I hope I can. You know what I'm saying? So Capone, I got something I can get done quick. I hope I can. You know what I'm saying? Now, Capone hit me and said, Capone hit me one day and he said, yo, do you see these rocks these niggas got? And I said, no.

Love me. Let me just tell you, I want to just tell you what I want in my house. You know, I had brought this story up earlier and I didn't bring it full circle. I said I went to Lior's house, right? Yeah. And Lior, he had all this shit. And the thing is, everything that he, Picasso's, I don't give a fuck about Picasso.

I don't even like that nigga. Who is that nigga, right? But, and then I said, Onyx. I said, Onyx. I said, Onyx had gave me sneakers. Sneakers, right? Didn't matter the size. Right.

And it didn't matter the size because this is how I want my whole house to be, is hip-hop memorabilia. Man. Right. Like, I want a painting of E be, is hip-hop memorabilia. Man. Like, I want a painting of EPMD in my kid's room. Yo, man. I want a painting of fucking Rakim in my basement. I want to do, like, I want to have a KRS-One tennis ball. Like, I want to, like, I want to, because that's, to me, that's my Picasso. Yeah.

Like, we did the show at Run DMC in September. I got a pair of Adidas. I had Run sign the Adidas and I had DMC sign the Adidas to put them in the glass case. Yo, and they even got the special edition Jam Master J Adidas.

So when you walk in the crib, then boom, oh, there's Run's signature. There goes DMC's. There goes the limited edition Jam Master J's. You got Jam Master J's? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The limited, yeah, I know. What I gotta do to get that? Yo, right, man. I think there was only like 50 made. 50 made. Mm-hmm. And I got a pair. Yeah.

What's EPMD's favorite at Redhead Park? Besides 88. The 90s. The 90s, yeah. Yeah. For so much stuff. There'll be nothing like it. Mm-hmm.

When all y'all came. During the Hitsquad time frame? Like when that was, you know. That's the whole thing. In the early 92, the juice movie. Remember Tupac and Juice and walking through the whole movie with the Rampage coming to jail. I was thinking that.

You remember the Queens movie that got shot up? That was me. Oh shit. I'm not proud of it. Really? Yeah. Remember when the Queens movie that got shot up? Yeah.

Yeah, that was me. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. It's nothing to brag about. Is that the same movie? When you went to go see the movie? No. No. I was coming on my side. I'm going to totally do this on my face.

But I remember you. Because your memory is crazy. This nigga right here? Yeah. He's a drink champ. He is a drink champ. That nigga came in. He's a official drink champ.

You a drink champ. You got to go back to Long Island. That's it. That's it. And look, look, we gave you the stamp. You a drink champ now. And you going to get your crown. We're going to send it to you. How was it doing Payton Paul?

How was it? Oh, Payton Paul actually was ill because- I saw a word on the state time- Where? Yeah, saying that- Camera. Cam really punched the kid. Yeah, I was-

You hear that? Yeah. I was like, what? I was like, what? I was like, what? I was like, what? I was like, what? I was like, what? I was like, what? was ill because I saw wood on the on the on the state where's yeah saying that camera can't really punch the kid yeah and drag him out the car he really punched him the rental like don't we kind of cut you know he hit the kid you know I was audition for Alpo you did it was me that I was year you could have got that I was bad the time now you can do it no yeah I was fat I'm always back

when you're not blogging I put a local that right there was crazy oh yeah because you can come up movie star to me they probably won let me say let me tell you about I'll pay the phone because you asked, right? The funny shit about paying the phone was I actually auditioned to be our phone.

Wood Harris, who is AZ, actually, he actually, what is that shit called? He rehearsed with me. And he told me, he knew I wasn't

going to get the role. He was like, yo, you wild. Wow, that's good. He's going way too far. that you call he rehearsed with me and he told me knew I wasn't get the role he was like yo you wild way too far yeah I'm big at the time he's like you're not getting this right that's crazy but I went in I still tried right but the people love me so much they like you're not out Paul we're gonna so next role, guess what the next role was that you broke it up? Was me getting beat up by Cam. What?

That role where he snuffed him for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my next shit. And then the director said, nobody thinks Cam's going to beat you up. Right, right. They can believe that. It's unbelievable. Right. You can't beat you up. Right? Like this is unbelievable, right?

You you can't have this right and then What happened was the director? It was Charles Anthony stone with Charles stone Anthony third one of the right? Like I know his name was a third The third Charles on the third yeah, cuz I always remember that because I'm like damn like I always see that movies They're like I've never met a nigga Charles Stone III, yeah, because I always remember that because I'm like, damn, like, I always see that in movies. When they say the third, like, I never met a nigga that's the third. So, yes. Thurston Howard III in Gilligan's, I think.

I know, but you know, that's what I was. So, I'm going to be honest with you, and I never said this. Peyton Ford was made up. That role never existed the director just wanted me in the movie so he just said just do something so when he came when i came i was actually on tour i think he was on tour with me and then we was on tour and i had one day to go in New York. So I landed, and they said, make something up. And I made it up. Right there and there. All that shit.

No way. What they said, no. I kind of exaggerated. What they said was, exaggerate. You got to be the guy that say, introduce Alpo to AZ. I mean, AZ to Alpo.po so remember i'm talking to az uh which was what was his name in the movie ace so i'm talking to ace but so what they told me was um ace had never heard of alpo so you got to exaggerate so that that's what I just said. I just made it up. There's one take. Raising all his ass. I made up all that shit up on the spot. It was so

good that when I finished, I was like, I did that shit and I was like, water. Water's like a sling. Yo, you was in it. You was in it. But they told me, they said, don't say no Yasame, you heard, like something that you could relate to the 90s. Right. So I had to, I just, oh, improv.

And I did it. It was one take. And I said Ward. The reason why I said Ward because I had nothing else to say. I didn't want to say cool. I didn't want to be like peace. Because I'm like, peace might be might be dated so I don't know I didn't know that because it's a time piece right so so when I said water I was fucking up it was actually a mistake right like water right gotta leave something no no you gotta ain't took that yet. No, no, no, you gotta say water.

You gotta say water, whatever you love. But, EPMD, you guys are so much an inspiration, not to just us, Me, Pone, or EFN, you're inspiration to hip-hop. You guys stood the test of times,

you guys still looking good out here, doing it Def Rogz. I'm not going to drink Chance Rocks, so I'm going to take that one. No, no. Because you were saying you don't trust me. He don't trust me. You said it to me. He don't trust me. I'm fucked up. Did you see? Did you see? He said, nah, office. Crystal clear. Crystal clear, office.

So you're working on a new album. Dynamic Duos, big business. Dynamic Duos. And all that you're working with is other dynamic duos. The best of the best that we think was the best dynamic duos. So how far are you in this album right now? We knew. Oh, so.

But we got our tracks. We picked the beats up, though. And stuff like that. And then we picked to see What we gonna do with On what records Yeah Remember we used to do that We used to pick beats early

Yeah Now we Hollywood We don't even do shit like that So you guys Once you get back to it The first thing you think is like Why did I leave this In the first place

Yeah So me and you Beats, exchanging beats You know Going over concepts And stuff like that Getting back to the basics Again, saying

Cause we gonna do I was thinking about doing, like, Ghostface and Ray do Jane for storytelling. And then, exactly. See how we, right. You know, so, and then coming there with them and mixing together with them while they're doing the storytelling of Ghost singing, look, J to the A to the N to the, and then having the, you know, coming, yeah.

What you enjoy better, producing or MCing? The beats. Even though, again, the rhyme is something that, because me and Paris, we do it. Because we like, we're MCing. Because you would do it too, right, P? Yeah. Yeah. And you, I'm sorry.

Yeah, Paris did Strictly Brutal's album, and the people don't know about the stuff that, you know, Rampage, he did, yeah. Yeah. I started coming in late like like so what you saying then we started going and keep doing such and such but again the first one was you know I was I was watching I learned to produce from him and Charlie now as a producer like when when you sample is it is it still lucrative sampling or you you suggest to get away from that? I do it because I don't know nothing else. Right.

As far as the essence of the culture is to be able to take the sample. Right. Because why would you do that? Yeah. Right? Like, you're just supposed to feel good making the beat. Right. And then you run into something.

Okay, cool. But make your music. Make your music, though. Make it. Don't dance around, because that's what makes you you. We got sued. Eric Clapton came and got us in the beginning for Strictly Business, and Roger came and got us for More Balance.

But again... But Eric was cool. Eric Clapton only charged us like $10,000. It wasn't no big hits, you know what I'm saying? But when Biz got hit, it was... Wait, kids. You know, but my business thing when this guy hit it was wait What happened so brother no business you got what I need was Mr. Game up. He fucked it up That's why everybody was getting tore up. What do you do? Attention not because that was the same with anything or something. He didn't clear

Yeah, right the record blew up and blew up and then everybody start coming and this is this when um was this the was this the era after that like because now when you sample somebody music they say they want a hundred percent of your publisher yeah was was that from from biz the reservoir dogs on jc's album yes i was the case was a hundred percent hundred%. That's why they do that. We gave it to him because Jay wanted the record bad. And you produced Rams around the world. How was your way of flossing? Because you floss now. That was good. That was good. No, I'm saying, but that's what you gave it to him.

Right, right, right. Sometimes we get up stuff we give up. Yeah. Because it's worth the record. Right. Rod the listener. Rod the listener. 100%.

100% of nothing is nothing. So then how do you get paid if you gotta give him 100% of the public? You're getting paid for the beat. No, no, no. We're getting paid for the public. But it don't work like that

with all of them. Not all of them. So there's 12 joints. Yeah, right. There's 12 joints in the album. So whatever the public still be good. It's still them. That's just the joints. Yeah, right. It's 12 joints in the album. So whatever the point is, we got that. It's still good.

It's still good. But I don't forget that it comes from everything else. The touring and everything. And the publishing checks and all. The record is fire. It's fire. It's worth the sample. It's worth the sample.

It's worth the sample. What's the best thing about hip hop? The best thing. Hip hop was the identity of everybody having their own identity yeah it was you know like everybody that you knew that was tribe that was daylight out there public that was seen in those rock that was all that niggas say it's the identity of a by having their own identity let's make some noise for the identity.

He just said some smooth, slick shit, and then he tried to go over it. Yeah, yeah, no, he's crazy. Right, right. You can't listen. Hold on, bring that back. Bring that back. Listen, EPMD, I love you brothers. Thank you, love you too.

I really, really, really, like I'm not saying this just because y'all here, I'm saying this because real shit, I remember selling crack to y'all music, I'm not saying this just because y'all here. I'm saying this because real shit, I remember selling crack to y'all music. I'm not proud of that. But I did sell a lot. I shot a couple of people to y'all shit too. I apologize.

I sold crack for one day. And I was outside the house, setting for the robbery. The guy didn't come out. Ski mask and everything. You didn't have a ski mask on. It's my thing on the radio. I had 250 crack vials on my mother's Lincoln Continental mark five on the floor Why are you selling crack? My man was doing it I was influenced I was like oh shit I'm influenced

And it was early and it's my thing so we didn't even do a show yet They were just playing on the radio And it was my man and Guess My Thing, so we didn't even do a show yet. It was just playing on the radio. And it was my man, and he didn't force me or nothing. I could have said no. I just wanted to look hard in front of him, kind of like, yeah, fuck that. So we put the capsules out, and we went to go rob another dude. So I put the mask on, sat down. It's all on one day you sold crack, had a mask, and you robbed a nigga in one day.

No, we didn't get him. He didn't come out. So we waited, and we was waiting too long, and we left. Okay. But that right there was a sign like, yo, I told Pabla later. Like, I thought I got robbed. I was like, I didn't get robbed this time. You got robbed too that day?

You said that? Yo, the story's even more wilder than that. But we leaving alone. Stabbed now, and they got me. Stabbed now, and they got me. Yo, this was before the Wu era. You got to tell us that story. They got me Was pressing them I was like wait yo listen man the niggas He was on the wrong side

Actually he got away though he was gone he just had He just had to double back because somebody got caught. I was fucking around with the Fawcett D nigga. Before I don't know how I got Fawcett D. It's his birthday. So I'm like, yo, you want something? Yeah, I'm going to go get a bottle of champagne or something. I saw a nigga, no lie, in the building with a white woman's wig on and a white face mask. Right?

Like a wig face, like a president mask, but it was a white lady. But it threw me over. Where it was a nigga? I wasn't even looking, thinking about it until later on, until he got me. Yo. So I'm in the building. I'm in the building. I'm in the building.

I'm in the building. I'm in the building. I'm in the building. I'm in the building. I'm in the building and then we outside. So the forcing nigga leaves. That's why I think he set me up. So I go in the building, right? It's on the first floor. So I don't have to take the elevator. So I go open the door to walk up in the project to walk upstairs to the first floor. The dude said, come back down.

He got the gun in my man's stomach. You know Bernard. Okay. He got the gun in my man's stomach. He said, come back here. I'm going to shoot. So I'm moving slow. I had $1,000 in my pocket.

I had a white shirt on. I got the World Be Free ring on with the world. I got two chains. I got my Benzie box ring on with the world. I got two chains. I got my Benzie box. Now, he snaps my Benzie box. Now, imagine me going all the way home with no music. That's the first thing about it. Right, right.

He tells me, take the chains off. So, I'm in slow motion. So, he snaps. Boom, first one. I'm like, this is crazy, man. Because I could have went. I could have left. I was one. I'm like, this is crazy, man. Because I could have win. I could have left. I was gone.

Snap, boom, snap, the two chains off. If you don't come back. So, he shot, bow. In the air. Right. Let them know they're serious. No, it was over. When I walked outside, I'm like, yo, what happened? I'm like, I knew they set me up.

Because how do you know that something happened to me? Because he shot to let the men know that it's over. So I went back the next day with the Fort Greene. I got Hawk, Dog, and my cousin Mel and a few others. Went to Staten Island Club. Sat outside the club until it was over. Went outside. They didn't show up.

No, we didn't care who was there. Opened the trunk up. Out out the bins we used to stop busting out the club. I'm suiting everybody up. So the next day light comes and says I heard what happened to Staten Island. But that part didn't get me. The only part was I was scared about was Paris finding out so his man called him say yo your man got robbed so he called you this is what you're saying is that okay right so Paris just me and says you got robbed like you know nobody robbed me so I'm lying to him. Meanwhile, his man lived there. So he's like, yo, you know, your boy, he got robbed, B.

I'm like, yo, so what you're saying is out, you know. The gun talk is in the record, the whole shit. So I had to go back. But luckily I went back and did what I did because it got back that, yo, they came and tried to club up last night. They got busy. Oh, my God. Look, EPMD, I ain't going to lie. Listen, I'm not kidding.

Listen, I don't know. Oh, no. We almost got Jalen Rose killed. Yeah, big time. Before he went to the NBA. Let's go there. Let's go there. We're in Ohio, right?

Jalen Rose. Jalen, what a hit. We're in Ohio. He's real hip-hop. He's one of Paris' good friends. Right. That's my name. You see in the past, I mean, in the past five,

you got the EPMD hat, and everything in the documentary. We in the spot. Ohio comes to Detroit. No, Detroit comes to Ohio. Detroit comes to Ohio. And tear this arena to pieces. You got to see this. 12 to 15 Detroit niggas.

Remember the Big Bamboo Airborne? How far is Detroit from Ohio? I feel like that's like 13 miles away. They went there, and they destroyed this arena. They messed up by putting chairs and seats. Right. At an EPMD concert. Right.

So now we got 10,000 up in there. Now I'm the only one that got a pistol. You was wilding that night, too. Exactly. You got a pistol on your leg. Yeah, we're running through the... Well, I got it. Right, so we're running through. Now, these niggas is busting every angle.

Now, this is a moving band. Jalen. And Jalen's six something. Yo, you got to find a way to get out of here, man. So he jumped in the moving band. Luckily, I don't know. He made it. How it super jay never stopped never stopped jaylen roll you know we all came out the venue everybody came out at the same time we had to go back in catch another door come out van roll and jaylen jumped in kept

it moving he would have been dead because they the niggas was on us. No! The time in Carolina when they was, the bull was coming by my head. Let's talk about it. We in North Carolina, whatever them niggas called them, boys called them, that gang. We go there after party. We walk in there, special ed them go in there first. Right? Did he have it made already?

Yeah, of course. DJ going there, right? All of a sudden, we walk in there next, me and my man. Apparently he's not there with us. I'm at the after party with the guy

who I was selling the drugs with. You're stuck with him? Yeah. That's our man. Because you was in drug dealing for one day, you said? For one day. All of a sudden,

all of a sudden, the niggas was like, ain't no stars in here. So you know, kind of playing us kinda. My man wasn't having it. Hit him. Boom. The dude's gun dropped. So when the gun dropped, it was rolling towards the inside. So we went to go after the pistol, you know, and it was moving fast on my children. So we backtracked and said we ain't gonna get that,

so we ran out. That's me. Now, I'm 30 pounds lighter than this. My man's in top shape. You know, I'm neck and neck with this nigga, Carl Lewis. Going. They coming from out the cars, under the tires.

I mean, busting. Don't know how we lived. I jump in a ditch somewhere in the back. And the other guy. They were sitting in there. So all of a sudden, some girls from the highway have stopped. But I'm like, I'm yelling. Niggas are like, Eric.

I'm like, yo. Down here. Has stopped, but I'm like I'm doing this like Eric. I'm like yeah No Big Daddy Kane is about it him in this certain man tournament had them big guns. It's like yo, I like that happened yesterday Okay, I gotta bring it back to what you said earlier because I feel like you said that oh That happened yesterday, man. Them niggas is gone now, man. They still waiting now. But like, that's crazy. I gotta bring it back to what you said earlier, because I feel like you said that Kane went on after y'all, but then you said Kane came on with a Speedo.

I just gotta get to the Speedo part. Yes. Gotta actually, I don't know if you was being fucking crazy. He know the story, no. Me and Phat was talking about this. We told him the story. Kane used to come on stage on a Speedo? Yes, in a hot tub. He was being fucked. He know the story, no. Me and Paris talk about this. We told him the story. Came to come on stage on a Speedo.

Yes, and a hot tub. And a hot tub. Yes. Yo, we used to get escorted to the county line a lot. We used to have to hostage negotiate to get our people back, and then they'd be like, well, you can have your boys back long as you leave the state.

Me and Paris fought Hammer and about 50 of his niggas. No, not Hammer, Hammer had too much guap, they got him out of there. They got him out of there, but we had to fight him and some of the police department. MC Hammer? Yes. Just a misunderstanding.

But Vanilla Ice was open to force. A misunderstanding. Hammer told us. Hammer told us told Told us Hammer from Oakland Hammer told us Hammer told us Big shout out to Lewis Morrell

Yeah Hammer told us to Don't have your man Dancing on the speakers So we said Okay cool It's your tour My nigga Finley from Queens

You know For Rockaway. He didn't want to hear all that. That's what he do. He jumped on the speakers. Anyway, while now, when the shit's over, somebody come to Fendi talking mess.

So Prowess comes over to say, to see what's going on. So the dude you know, puffed up at P. P broke the glasses the frame the cheek boom nigga everything came off this nigga right? so again we 6'2 and a half heavy set chocolate brown I'm like yeah yeah yeah you know what I'm saying

we were like get this shit nigga yo yo so so after a while, we go into a hallway, and we stuck me, Paris, and Solo, and we trapped with about 50... You know it was about 50 of them anyway.

Or Michael Jordan's suits before the Jordan suits. And we talking about MC Ham, the outfit. Yes, yes. Isabella Ice and MC Ham was kind of down together. Russell Simmons Had the call

And they had The tour got halted For a couple of days Exactly Don't forget we had the power So we was flying Yeah but they Yeah but he called

Leo for us Did MC Hammer Have Speedos on too No no no He wasn't there They got him out Yeah But the way the whole thing

Went down at the end Everything ended right Ended right From the Leo Russell phone call A bunch of police A man who normally gets down Just opened the back door Okay We left the whole thing went down at the end, everything ended right. Ended right. From the Leo Russell phone call. A bunch of police. A man who normally gets down just opened the back door. Okay.

We left. Somebody stole our mic that night and we had the audacity after we tore that place up to go to the precinct and see if anybody turned to the mic. I can give you,

I'm going to give you no more stories because people are going to agree he was bullies but we fought mostly every rapper. Bullies, you're a bully. I'm gonna give you more stories. We gotta stop. People were bullies, but we fought mostly every rapper. Fuckin' bullies, you a bully. Nah. We had a lot of hand games.

We was getting stepped to or getting like taken advantage of. And I'm not gonna step to me, but I'm looking at them like, are you serious? We used to constantly get escorted back to the ring. You see this nigga? By the D's. I'm looking at him, do you see? And Paris was straight out of the football. We was like, do you see us?

Pirates look like. No, but what I'm saying, but they didn't. Like a couple of rappers, I'm like, damn it. You ain't going to win, man. Like in my head when I look at like, you know, coming down or whatever, like you ain't going to win. And again, and we scared some that didn't want to come out the dressing room, if I'm missing no name.

But they didn't come out the dressing room. They didn't come out the dressing room. And they had mothers with them and everything. A couple of big names that you like. Yo, rested. Yo, our arms, you know. You know the little bathroom they have in the production office where you're picking up your money? Yo, we stayed in there with the cuffs.

They stayed on the phone with Rush Management. Yeah, with Cubs. The guys in sight in the riot, we got 25,000 people. They locked that tour bus up and everything. Lock everything up. Where's the Young Really? They locked that tour bus up. Yeah, they did it at the gates.

Right, right. They knocked shut the gates. You know what? What's up, you there? What's up? What's up? You there? Yo. Shut the gates. Shut the gates. You know what? What's up, man? What's up? What they're describing as me as a CEO, I want you to understand what the fuck they're saying.

Like, rush management was crazy. If you wasn't on Def Jam, you had to be on Rush. And that eventually turned into Violator. Right. Eventually. Yo, wow, that's true. It eventually turned into Rush. That was heavy.

And then, because I felt like I was on Def Jam my whole career, but I wasn't. I was on Violator. But it felt that way, Violator. I was on Violator. It felt that way. Because Rush, I guess Rush, um, Rush, excuse, excuse me, I felt like he was like, yo, fuck it, and he gave it to Baby Chris. That's what he called it. That's what his name

was. Yeah, Baby Chris, it wasn't Lighty. It was Chris Lighty. And actually, Chris Lighty's name is actually not even Chris. Chris Lighty's real name is Darryl Lighty. Oh my gosh. So, Baby Chris was because... Was it Mike Lighty? Mike Lighty. Mike Lowry?

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But the reason why they called him Baby Chris is because his father's name was Chris. So the reason why I want

everybody to know is one of the best situations, best places I've ever seen in life was 170 Varick. You remember that place?

You could roll dice there, you would get a haircut, and you get some pussy. That's what we was into. That's kind of when we got mobile. But Def Jam was, Def Jam, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. It was. Like the bad boys, all of them they was trying to be like

that it was bad like that. No, it was Def Jam first. It was that 170 Varick office. And they that. No, it was Def Jam first. It was that 170 bag of offense. And they had another offense that was by Chung King. I was getting it. Yeah, 170 bag was it, though. 175 was it. We started off at Elizabeth Street.

Yeah, we started off at Elizabeth Street. Way downtown. Right. But then 175, when it got there, it was like, for me, it was like a hood outside of the hood meaning grand temptation I keep touching the palm all day. That's all we did was call our service. And we did it all day. But I'm going to be honest. That office felt like the hood outside of the hood. Yeah.

But it also felt like this is when you make it, this is how it's supposed to look. But no, but let me get that. You, to sell a million records, it's different. Like, you was 98 DMX. Like, you know, again, in the million records category, like very you was 98 right here next like yes You know against you in the million million records category like you yes I'm the one I'm in but you was battling death squad with me you and and Peter guns in them like one two and three Oh, yeah, that was the video on the drop down Hit the video on the drop down I remember, I was like damn I gotta take him down

I'm gonna take him down But you did And I remember you did, because we did um What's the dude from MTV, TRO, what's his name? Not Tore, no TRO the white guy Johnny, no not Johnny Carson, I'm buggin' Carson Daly

I remember being on the beach Interviewing that day, I'm not Johnny Carson, I'm buggin'. Carson Daly. I remember being on the beach interviewing that day. I'm like, damn, no, he got number one? That super thug was, it was ringing so hard. I'm like, yo, Leo, listen, man. We gotta drop another record. He's like, nah, we alright. And then Maxwell, we got number one album that he had. Okay, that's me.

I beat Maxwell by 5,000 pieces of that. But again, Maxwell got beef with me. Maxwell, I got to tell you what. For what? Because I said on a record, I said, you niggas is gay like the Maxwell video. And he never forgot that. Like, that nigga actually went to Violator.

Like, he actually, I'm a super shooter at this time. Like, I'm super shooter. Right. Like, I don't have shooters. I am the shooter. So, and he came to Violator. Because he was a street dude. Nobody really knew it.

He was a street dude. Yeah, he was. And I'm like, and then Chris Lighty called me and said, yo, what did you do to Maxwell? Oh, man. Because at this time, I just say dumb shit in my rounds. I didn't know people actually listened to me. So Maxwell was heated.

He was heated. Only a million people. And he came. Only a million people, I know. And he told them niggas, you tell Nori, me and him got to fight. And Chris is like, yo, Nori's going to shoot you. You don't want to fight. But I just thought it was the dopest thing that an R&B nigga wanted to fight me.

Like, I actually, I told everybody, I said, Max, you don't want to fight me. That is crazy. Another thing before we go that's so big, I want to go and start getting to the middle of it. Please. But love is a situation where we need that more, like you said before. That is so important. We can change a lot of shit,

but niggas just loving instead of hating, right? And then, Michael Epps said too, over 40, the only reason that I'm going to put these up, if it's necessary, I don't give a fuck if you call me a fat fuck or your music sucks or whatever, I'm going home. it's necessary. I don't give a fuck if you call me a fat fuck or your music sucks or whatever. I'm going home. Because my 12-year-old son needs

his dad. The only way I'm going if I'm put in a position where I'm protecting my family or put in a situation where I gotta get out, then I'm putting these up. But other than that, though, I can't see you being, this is 47, 48 years old and saying, yo, I'm talking these streets like a fuck that nigga

You know and you hear niggas talking mess or on the web and doing this shit on the text and no Oh, this age. I'm not fighting you money Here's the problem is Hip-hop to start taking responsibility. Meaning, there's no way you should fight. There's no way you should fight. There's got to be somebody that's in the club saying, what? I know.

Are you talking to who? Who? Like, what? I know. Who did what? Right. And we got to, that's the thing is, everybody that's here,

everybody that's here, we got to start taking responsibility. And because, you know why, and this is the reason why we started this, because we got to actually protect our legends.

Like, we actually do. We actually do. Like, if you see, and now, and now, he's black,

he's black. But I remember, I remember I remember seeing Prince just just go somewhere and I'm seeing the club just just whoop just yeah behind that there yeah and he came in by himself and he levitated yeah in my mind I didn't see him walk yeah I definitely he was In my mind, definitely. But it was like, damn, I saw that. I mean, I saw it. But that's exactly like if Rakim come in the club, if EPMD come in the club, if KRS come in the club,

and anything happen anywhere around y'all, it's my fault. Not it's my fault like I made it happen. It's my fault because it's my fault like I I made it happen it's my fault because I could have prevented it and I gotta set the precedence I know I'm dyslexic right right

I gotta set the precedence I said it right yes I gotta set the precedence I'll be scared keep saying it it's the worst precedence

I gotta set the precedence so that the next generation set the precedence So that the next generation Set the precedence for me Yes Very important The thing about that is Very important We have to do that

But thank Norrie After we left the game There's been no one there No That's why Ice-T apologized To Soldier Boy Because Soldier Boy said Listen

You arguing at me But we had nobody To tell us nothing Exactly So I only did what I knew. Right. He was arguing. He apologized to us.

How was I going to be mad? They did a terrorist one in Nelly. Right. Yes. Same shit. I didn't know. We didn't have them to go on. See, we had something to go on when we came.

Y'all had, you know, a map. We had a map. It was way worth of time. You could look left. Baby Chris was there. We looked right. We got run in them. Yes.

It was a move through. Right. The map to move right. Right, the map, the move right, exactly. And that's the reason why. If anybody, if you're listening to this, like I was telling you outside, P, I was telling you outside that I had checked into this hotel, right? And when I checked into this hotel. Oh, that doesn't sound good. I'm sorry. That didn't sound good at all. You okay? She okay. right and when I checked into this hotel It is I'm good at all

Okay, she okay, but I checked into this I had checked into this hotel right mm-hmm And when I checked into this hotel the guy says to me, thank you And I said thank you for what and he goes you put me on a duck down Right right a part of me wanted to smack the shit out of them. It's how the fuck can I put you on a duck down? But then another part of me was like, damn, I got to recognize what I'm doing. Because he's 23 years old. He didn't know. He didn't know.

Right. So when he heard the duck down interview, he went and he did his research. And he went and he, you know, he went and he you know he actually knew Smith and Wesson was and then he knew it and what he was open right so part of me still want to smack him because I'm like damn but then the other part of me was like this guy don't even know I'm Nori right he wasn't educated he don't even know I'm Nori yeah he's looking at me like the podcast that's right and that's what you said on your video the other day.

You said in the video, you was like, yo, Nori, tell these niggas who you is. But I don't even care. I felt it. No, I know you don't care, but I just felt it. I said what I wanted to say because that was me. I wanted you to get a little shock. I want you to get a little shock. But the thing about it is, the thing about it is, I don't care if people have to look at me like that.

And I can still represent hip-hop. I'm going to say one thing before we jet. This is no disrespect as far as what's going on. We're nowhere near the white and black thing. If we don't make a stance, they will want to start the arrow off with Marshall Mathers yes you know what I thought about the number one rapper in the world the number one selling rapper in the world is Eminem and it's not

gonna do him because he's incredibly nice yes but that's what the culture is going to if they can rewrite it You know what I thought about Ian I'm so sorry to cut you off But you know what I thought about the other day And this is the reason why I love what we doing Cause I thought about it I said yo

What happens If hip hop is just tarnished For the next hundred years Right And what happens when they actually go Do research You know when they can actually look up love and hip-hop. That's horrible.

I'm just saying. But it's televised. So think about it. So think about my thing. My thing is they can actually go and pull up love and hip-hop. Because the history books is going to fuck shit up. It's going to fuck life up. So just imagine.

It's his story. But it goes back to what Eric said. We have to have, we should have categories for hip hop so everything is not just shoved under hip hop, under one label. It should be G&L. Before it gets written off,

you know his be going to fuck it up. His story going to fuck it up. But yo Nori, if we don't work, like he said, we stop working. So now that we're working... That's what happened. And then when I heard what you said too, you might, with the records,

you can't do it. You know there's people out there, even if, don't worry about what you think about what mainstream is. It's when he make the records. And do you. It's gonna come. Right.

It's gonna, yo, that, when And do you It's going to come Right It's going to Yo that When I tell you that It's going to be blessed And it's going to come That the world will hear it I promise you The world is going to hear it

It's a different type of vibe now The world don't woke up People The ignorance is too much We in the fifth dimension now Y'all know that right People don't woke up now They woke up

And that's why we got... They want you to rhyme. They want to hear you. I'm telling you. Trust me. They want you to rhyme again. They want you to rhyme again. On a business tip,

we just did a new deal with Tidal and Hitsquad Digital. So these are the power moves that we're making out here. Are we breaking news right now? Yeah, this is what we're doing. Keep flossing. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, yeah. I want you to describe what you just said, because you said you did a deal with Tidal Digital. So that means you're an artist's owner. Yes, that's correct. And I want people to understand what that means. That means that you can be an artist, let me get a chicken. That means you can be an artist

and you can still own your shit. I'm going to take two. That's correct. And this is what we're doing. Explain that. And he's eating chicken. He's looking like that. All the work that we put in back in the early parts of our career is coming back around. So we self-contained, independent, in-house.

And this is the way we're going to funnel it. Because in the technology era, it's all about content now. They even think downloading is going to be out in a minute. And it's all about the live streaming. I think so. It to be out in a minute, and it's all about the live streaming. It's your live streaming. You know you're doing it. Let me ask you this. Do you like streaming? Because to me,

I like streaming because I feel like your haters even listen to you. Because they feel like they're not supporting you. Oh yeah, but they are. Right. You don't have to be seen. You can just have the membership. So, you know, we just cover it on a basis. That's the dopest part. Yeah, right You know we just covered the basis part even if you press it you watching You got my brain so reported so even a haters tuned into what we actually doing. How much is the stream?

well One hours though, that's terrible right Bad for the artist, but on the record, you're an owner. If you're an owner, you're good. Doing the streaming is money. Yeah. So, yo, big shout out to Daniel for the, you know, making the Hit Squad digital coming. Thank you, Drink Champs, for having us today. Big shout out, yes.

Thank you to the Mustangas. Thank you for the school. Nori got me up, Les. That's not, that's the Drink Champs got me up. I promise you. Hey, yo, Nori. me up, that's the drink chance got me up. I promise you. Hey, hold up, time out.

Can we give our social media tags out? Please. Please give it out. Give it out. Tell them who the fuck we were at. Oh,

yeah, my bad. Oh, I thought I did it before. Okay, yo, Eric Sermon, Eric,

E-R-I-C-K underscore Sermon on Instagram and I am Eric Sermon on Twitter. And of course, Def Rugs on Instagram and defrugs.com on www, whatever that is. That's correct.

At Def Rugs. At Def Rugs. Yo, and I'm on Instagram, on PMD underscore Mike underscore Doc, on Twitter, on PMD of EPMD, and then Facebook, PMD of EPMD and then Facebook PMD of EPMD I don't even got a Facebook

that's how you know you got nothing to be you got nothing we got one I ain't got one I ain't got one either but listen my brothers I'm going to be honest

yeah I really appreciate it y'all yes I really appreciate it nah you called for us and we came we heard it nah you called

and you came and you know what no you called for us we heard it and we're you got called and you came yes. Yes. No you call for us. We heard This and happy about that and you know what I? Don't want this to be the up first I wonder I want you to always come back because it's And why why we got this platform I don't know how long we're gonna have this platform at this level, right?

So, you know what I want to do I want to continue to support people that I want to support right now and that's why I got yeah here Yes, but the thing about it is we don't know What we do know how about that? We do know that hip-hop should be celebrated Yeah, and that's that's my last meeting with Leo Collins the last last time I seen him he said do you know what this is working I said no he said cuz hip-hop has never had a celebration we always tear each other down even why do you why did he fix it hmm I'm fixing it. Fuck what he doing. I'm saying. I'm saying. He didn't tell you that?

No, I didn't ask him that. I'm sorry. I'm not that smart. But I just wanted to take the compliment. I definitely didn't want to get in debt. But the thing about it is, I thought he had a point. Because hip hop should be celebrated. Like, why the fuck we can't? Look what hip-hop really is in the colleges, in the high school, how the teachers celebrate, all the students.

It's great in everything. It's major. Let me tell you something, Pete. One day, I'm in, like, Kentucky somewhere, right? And some guy, he does a step. And as soon as he does a step, the other guy goes, oh shit, you from such and such?

And they're like, yeah. No, no, no. They do this shit together. It's a white guy and a black guy. But you know what it was? That fraternity brought them together. Yes. That's what hip hop is.

Yo, no racism in hip hop. There's no racism in hip-hop We supposed to we're our fraternity. So no matter where you at or where no matter what right? I don't matter like I got you from New Orleans. I got you. We supposed to say hip-hop hip-hop. Yeah. Yeah What they did back then. Stop tagging us. So that's what I'm trying to tell people. I'm trying to say is that hip-hop is supposed to be a real fraternity. Now, before you get up out of here, I've been trying to start something called a hip-hop union,

which means we want everybody to get 1% of their profits. Not a lot. Yeah. And the problem is when, if DMX has a problem and DMX needs to be held down, the hip hop union takes care of it. Right. So try to do that. Like who, who hurt when he's in trouble?

Right. Donate. And the thing about it is, the thing about it is the thing about it is I know it sounds impossible because we dealing with niggas right right exactly

and we're all niggas yeah I want my 1% back right so many people want their 1% back but the thing about it is we gotta think about the less fortune you're right

there's no question I love this I'm down with this how about like Chia Lee like Chia Lee that's my man I'm down with this

he said he he did something and he admitted it and he took his crime. But Bison said he never did it. And he still maintains that to this day. He did eight years. And he said he never did it. But he never had a lawyer. Right.

And the thing about the hip-hop union, we should all be together. And now somebody. Set it up, man. Don't talk to him. Set it up. No, no, we should all be together. And now, somebody... Set it up, man. Don't talk to him. Set it up. No, no, no. Let's do it.

I just want to make sure. Because, Nari, then we would be the only billion, multi-billion dollar industry that don't have a union. With no protection.

Right. Us in boxing. Right, right. Us in boxing. Big shout out to DMX, too. Yeah, but that's what I'm trying to say I love it

Let me tell you something I'm sorry I don't know if everybody's listening I don't know But you know The other day We seen DMX on stage And none of us really appreciated it

Right We didn't appreciate Not the fact that We didn't appreciate him on stage Right But we was like That's our king Yeah

Our king gotta look a little different Yeah Right So if he needs help Yeah the fact that we didn't appreciate him on stage, but we was like, that's our king. Our king got to look a little different. So if he needs help, the thing is I can't do it by myself, but if we do the hip hop union, then people just say, you know what? Let's put him in a headlock. Yeah, but he got to want to do it though, too. No, it's true. But if he does want to do it, for us to provide... Have the infrastructure. Yeah, the infrastructure.

I got you. You understand what I'm saying? Yes. Because it's like... It's just like... Yo, because the rock guys do it all the time. Like, it's nothing. Because it's comfortable.

There's nothing sad about it. It's acting. It's acting. Just get about it. Like, they make you pay to do a movie. Yeah. Actors get all that shit. That's what I'm saying.

Sag. So they actually make you say, here goes this amount of money, and then you're a part of the union, and then now you do the movie, and then you get paid. Right. Why the fuck? It's crazy that we have that. Hip hop is 30 fucking fives, 40 years old. Why we can't do that?

It's still a new tool, yeah. Why we can't actually take care of, like, it's been so many. No, I know if I cut the check or I know if I do it, it might be perceived bad because they're like, what the fuck he thinking he is? You know what I'm saying? It's a union. You know what I'm saying? I don't need your help. I say, yo, oh, okay. And you know it's okay and you're comfortable with it. You'll pick up the you I say I say yo Oh okay

And you know it's okay And you're comfortable with it You'll pick up the phone And be like Yeah get a bed ready You got you Be like the teamsters Right

And that's it Because Because you know why And then come out a better person This is what I'm saying That's the point Who wouldn't want that for you Because

If we don't protect ourselves Nobody's gonna protect us And I know we're kicking it We're talking together. But this shit is real. Like, that shit was real. I love it. When I seen certain people, and I seen them, that I could help.

But I seen also, these niggas are niggas. Yeah. And I'm a nigga too. And he might take it personally. They all take it personally. If I step up in a certain way. Of course he is. So I sat back and I said, damn.

First we started with the hip-hop flag, remember? You started with the hip-hop flag. I feel like, you know, I'm sorry, I'm getting deep. Getting deep. But I stay at the W hotels, right? I love the W. I really do. But every W has a gay flag out there.

Am I saying no? Am I saying don't take the gay flag out? No, but that's it's an automatic identification. I didn't realize that. It's an automatic identification that your kind is welcome here. Right? I feel like we should have a hip hop flag. That no

matter where you go, you see this flag and you know you welcome you understand because i could go to a restaurant right now right and i could go and i and i and i i got i got a little bit of bread so whatever but i won't know if i'm accepted till the bill comes i want to know i'm accepted prior to that I want to walk into a restaurant and say oh shit

I know I'm good in there cause they got the hip hop flag the same way and I'm not comparing hip hop to gays like I'm not doing that I understand they play I understand

I understand I understand but at the same token that's a respect when you look and you say damn you see that flag

good business business is handled they welcome it I'm down for the union of the flag let's get this I'm right there I'm right there And you say damn you see that you see that black business business Say yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry seeing Capone Getting you his stuff you don't know no now you see like yo niggas is always at the house for the album, like, yo, CNN, and like, what do you think? Y'all had us on the list? Yo, on the list.

We wasn't sure until we came in. Keep us on the list. Keep us on the list. Yo, there's no question. Yo, bitch in the drop. Yo, okay, no doubt, man. I can't take y'all more. Make some noise for E.B. and the East. Nah, I'm not stepping on that.

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