Drink Champs - Erick Sermon | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Drink Champs Network Presents: ROC Solid with Memphis Bleek. This week on ROC Solid, we tappin’ in with none other than Erick Sermon —  The Green-Eyed Bandit himself, pulls up for an episode packed with history, humor, and hard-earned wisdom from one of hip hop’s most influential architects. In this candid sit-down, E Double opens up about his legendary run with EPMD, the chemistry that sparked a cultural movement, and the business lessons he learned navigating fame, friendship, and the pressures of the industry. Sermon reflects on his evolution as both an MC and producer, breaking down the signature funk-driven sound that defined an era and shaped generations of artists. From backstage stories on early tours to the pivotal moments that tested his resilience, Erick keeps it all the way real. He dives into the highs, the hardships, and the healing—sharing rare insight into maintaining longevity in a game that constantly reinvents itself. Roc Solid gives him the perfect space to speak freely about legacy, leadership, mental health, and why staying grounded matters more than ever. Whether you came up during the EPMD era or discovered Erick Sermon through his timeless production, this episode delivers gems for fans, creatives, and anyone grinding toward greatness. It’s raw, inspirational, and classic hip hop storytelling at its finest. Tap in - history’s being told by the ones who lived it.   This is ROC Solid. 💎 💯   Follow: ROC Solid https://www.instagram.com/roc.solidpodcast   Memphis Bleek https://www.instagram.com/memphisbleek https://www.twitter.com/rocsolidpodcast   Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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from the Stuff You Should Know podcast and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 Days of Christmas toys playlist that the whole family can enjoy. That's right, maybe you missed it the first time we detailed the history of Beanie Babies, Monopoly,

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jargon and get your real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. So, you're Check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kevin on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who have had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it?

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Bleak right here. Welcome to Rock Solid. A production of IHeart Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs. Come on, God. Big whipping. Yeah, Memphis. I'm back at it. Niggas notice the difference. Just more prone. Pregsy. No stones.

Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is. Back with another one, exclusive, rock solid by yours truly, Memphis Bleak. And I tell you, everybody sitting on this platform in one way or another is my brother. And number two, they're silent. And this man right here is a legend, one of the most, part of one of the most illest rap groups in history that I was an ultra fan of growing up. And y'all have no idea. I wanted to be down with the hit squad. Let's welcome Eric Sermon to the building, my G.

What's up, my brother? How you doing? I'm good. Before we start, you know, the whole world say Eric Sherman. Yeah, Fat Joe. Yo. He says Sherman, but he didn't call me that. I let him slide.

Right, right, right. I believe everybody. Yes, they do. The producer, you know, my man Cheech and my girl, Carrease, who run the show, she was like, listen, bleak, listen, you cannot call that man Sherman in his face. You have to say sermons. Yeah, but that's how you say it, though, believe. Yeah.

You've been saying it like that. That's what I said. You would say it. But I make it easy and say it's a church, church sermon. It's spelled the same way. So you look at the sermon that's coming from a pastor, and people get it like that. They're like, okay, now it makes it easier. But you and Joe say Sherman.

It doesn't matter. That's what I'm so. You're my fan. How you been? My brother. I'm good. I mean, like, listen, listen, bleak. Like, when you, anybody that.

that wants to see me and wants to talk to me or like even in this business show it's the biggest blessing ever I came in this game at November 1987 so it's 2025 it's crazy I was nine

right so to be here and still be able to what they call relevancy you're a legend you're relevant anytime but I understand that but you know you respect it. But when people hear the legend name, they give you respect, shake your hand

on the whole not. But they don't mean they want to fuck with you. They want you to come to their office. They want to do a deal with you. They want to break bread with you. Like, they're looking for the next. But you never. But you can't say that because you one of the legends that been pivoted, though. You didn't just rap. No, no, no. But I'm saying. But luckily, I'm saying that I got the relevancy because I will be like the other one of my colleagues where they're not doing the business I'm doing. Because people respect them, but they don't want to do business with them

because what are you doing at this moment? That's right. Yeah, no, the thing. You make the beats. You was the management. You put the crew together, the production. Like, come on, bro. You had a lot of different talents than just standing on stage. So, yeah, man, he was able to do.

You know what I'm saying? Because you've got to be able to build it. This is your second job, because this is what he took over to begin with. So this podcast. This right here is where the, listen, man, tangible goods, right? That's right. You can talk about shit, too, but something that you can actually touch. That's right.

This right here, in alcohol, nobody has lost. No. I don't get fucking how bad it is. I tell people all the time, one thing you never see go out of business is a liquor store. Right, exactly. They always do an insurance scan. They burn it down. Okay, no doubt.

So this right here is where, again, I tell people, too, at this, they always ask me the question. And besides me in my publishing, I own it. So I'm still going to make money for however long as it's starting. Yo, talking about that, how you feel about these guys selling their catalog? I think the guys that sell in their catalogs to Memphis, you got, you just happen to be fortunate not to be able to. But are you talking about the old or new? Either or.

Well, the new guys, they know that it's a lick to get money. They don't care about, you know, what's in the head about them turning 40, but it's not that and this. And then all of a sudden, you say if you got a couple million dollars, you know how fast is it's been a million dollars? Quick. Like, people don't look at it. It's immediately quick.

Yeah, gone. Gone. You know, and then if then, if you ain't, if you didn't, people, listen, you go to prison because you didn't file, not because you didn't pay, you didn't file. So now you're like, you ducking. That's why you're getting in trouble. At least file. But Uncle Sam is real.

They're going to always be there. So you're going to have to take care of them immediately so that money is not yours. So say if you've got a million, $400,000, it's not yours. That's right. That's in New York, though. Yeah, New York. I'm in Florida now. I'm in Miami, too.

I got about 200 of that won't be. Yeah, exactly. Right, right. So, so, niggas told me too, Eric, so you've been out there for two years now, are you going to switch the shit over? I'm like, eventually I might do it, but, you know, I really don't like Florida, Miami, that's too, but anyway, Texas. That's why people went to Texas there, too. Texas, Nevada. Right. So, so, but anyway, the million dollars, too, can go quick.

Quick, bro. So, so then if I sell my publishing, right, now I have to wait whatever amount of years for me to get it back, get it back. But in the meantime, the money they gave me, maybe it might last a couple of years. Yeah, but now... You don't get money for 10 years. But now my publishing check is not coming. That's right.

So me, personally, I would never sell it. I don't sell it. But you're fortunate not to. So you ask the question why. The reason why is the young one wants the money up front so he can do what he wants to do at the moment. The older one, too, needs that money.

Yeah. Because stuff's done slowed down. or, again, things ain't the same. But I'm talking about even the guys who selling a publishing for $100 million dollars. They cut that catalog. I'm not mad at you. Like everything.

I'm not mad at you. No, I would never. But, bleak, man. I would never. I understand it, but if you blow $100 million. Oh, it's possible. We know, just look at it. No.

I know what people got blueprints now, nigga. Like, what do you actually need? Mike F. said something that was prolific. He said, once he stopped chasing the paper, he realized that more money would get me a bigger car

and a bigger house. Can't do nothing else. I can't... I don't know. Once I take care of my family, because don't forget, I can put the money away from my family, too,

but also my life insurance and my whatever I got and my publishing is theirs too. But my thing was, though, you got to go back, though. $100 million. Leave it to your children. You're right, but you got $100 million.

You're saying you can spend it, but on what? It better be businesses because... Yeah, yeah, but what do you need? Who, me? Personally? Somebody, some rich man said that if you have 20 million liquid cash, you should be okay. Forever. Forever.

That's right. So why are you saying... See, me, I would never sell it because me, I leave it to my kids, and my kids can leave it to their kids. It's something that comes forever, right? I got it. Like, think about Michael Jackson. Think about prints.

I know. People like, that's generational wealth. That hundred million, you know what? If you don't do the right thing with it, it won't be generational. It'd be right now. And listen. Convention to wealth. Listen, Bleak is nine years younger than me, right?

Or whatever it is. You said he was born at nine. I was nine and 87. So, nine years younger than me. So my thing, what he just said, y'all, is very, very prolific. Building wealth, how white America. does is like this, if Oprah Rumpfee is a billionaire, she's the only one. So there's no wealth.

That's right. That's right. They, the Rothschild and everybody that you see, Macy's and those are too, there is generations that the money flows down. Yes. So we would never be able to contend with them because we don't have generations. So all of our billionaires, all of them, if they, They don't do this, then there's no generation of wealth.

So I understand what you mean by the pass down. But I thought the money, too, would give them the pass down so they can be secure too. But you really can't trust it, especially with my five, you know, you know, I might run through that. Couple lambos. 3031, 26, 24, and 20. Oh, God bless, man. So my youngest one is in third year of college. And I'm, like, looking at them like, yeah, two of them is going to wild out.

Yeah. They're going to wild. One trip to Dubai. They ain't coming back. Yo, but, but, but, but again, 20 million, okay, or 50 million. And here's your between, but you know, 50 between five, right. Because if I got a, if that got, right, I would have to have 100, but for each to be 20. So you take a chance on that, yeah, you're right, man.

Yeah, I'm telling you. You're right. It'll be worth more just passing down the catalog because each of them can get it divided equally and they can't blow it. They can't blow it because it comes forever. That's right. You know, I got to think about that, but you said 100 million. I got to think about that. That's true.

I made the call when I seen everything going on and I got offered something. Right. I called my OG. Oh, yo, yo, what you think? What'd you happen? He was like, I would never. I would never. I would never.

I heard stories of, you're going to mention the names. That got 18 a while ago. Mm-hmm. You know, but you got the dream, $23 million. That's, you know. Oh, no, no, no, no, my bad. I think 200-something. Yeah.

Dream. And then you have, you know, the Nios and people like that, too. that did do. The number's high, though. You're talking about $200 million. It's there, but if somebody ready to give you $200, imagine what is worth. Yeah, because that's what I said for it.

That's like, they're not giving you $200 to make $50. They're seeing what you already make. Yes. And they're calculating that by the next 50 years. I keep, I don't want to make it a race thing. But again, White America moves on the long game. That means they will wait. 20 years because they know you can't wait,

they got the money to wait 20s, right? The long game is, that's why I got in the, like you said, tangible goods, liquor, restaurants, real estate, things that I can give my kids. When I'm not, if anything was to happen, there is businesses that they can run. You know they're selling the restaurant and the houses, right?

Huh? They sell in the house, in the restaurant. Oh, they better not sell a restaurant. They better go run it. The house, flip it. Yeah, that's what the, What he gets built for. Flip the house.

You can do what you got to do. No, I don't care about that. One of them, I know what dad said. Yeah, my son. But we're not, I'm, this restaurant, I can go. It's like what you said. My son, he gets that bag like that? Right.

He fucking Kanye was. It's gone. Fashion, that nigger will be. You said Japan. He'll be at Paris one way fashion shows. It'll be over, bro. But yo, let's take it. Let's take them back.

Let's talk about the come up, man. Long Island, but you told me something off camera that you said you're from Brooklyn. Right. This is what, this is, I'm born and raised in Long Island, right? But my fan was in pink houses. So, shout out pink houses. So when I was 17, that's where I frequent that, you know,

I frequent that, you know, in the high school. When I knew that, again, school was school, but it was a school, but it was a okay. So again, you know, my cousins, the Woodson's, and my cousin Jamel and his two brothers, they lived there and was raised in there. They moved from someplace else in Brooklyn and moved to Pink Houses. So through my early career, that's where I stomp that. You know, so I went there. You went to the trenches. Every day I went there. I had some girls behind the building. I had some girls in the building. You know what I'm saying? And so again, and we was in there to the point where sometimes, you know, you really couldn't, like, really just walk up in the building.

Like, you know, so if I bring friends, it was like, nah, you got to stay in the car. You know, like, you wasn't really from there, but, you know, not me, but I bring something. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, you wasn't. Because you had to be from a project. If you wasn't certified or really from that project, you couldn't bring your whole. And even though we all out there, you know, a lot of niggas is home now. But dracking them is from Cyprus, all these people, so on, so they're all home now.

Cyprus is right there. Shout out, Cyprus. You were in the trenches. So, and my boy, Kat, like, all these people that was, and then the plaza was Ken do, Roshan, Steve, and all them. This is wonderful. This is all, too. But this is plaza, pink houses, and Cyprus. So, again, three together, you have boys and some, but you, but they wasn't coming.

No. You know, whatever. You know, you couldn't go through everybody's projects. And then we had the diner where, because the diner is a little bit more down, but everybody went to the diner. Yeah. But anyway, again, that part of, too, not knowing that Uncle Murder was there. Yeah, man.

Shut out Uncle Murder, you from Pink Houses. Because we was in the, I was doing something for power, you know, there was the episode that had came back, whatever, season two. 50 had a bunch of artists coming through. So he wanted to EPMD to do you guys to chill. Yeah, yeah. So we performed that night. But he was telling 50 like, yo, you know, you know, I'm from the building, you know.

But Maineo and them knew, you know, people that, you know, understood what it was. But again, I'm young. So my thought process of niggas getting busy. busy wasn't in my thought process. Like, okay, so I know that most of these niggas is killers, right? Mm-hmm. And, but it's Eric. Yeah.

You know, it's the rapper. Yeah. You know, a few of them play basketball, so they was off-limits too. But at the end of the day, too, we all still got busy. Mm-hmm. And then when niggas saw me busting guns in Staten Island, Because I got robbed. Oh, shit.

You let them you let them things fly in Staten Island? I had to. Because I was embarrassed. That's what do it. Embarrassment. But I wrote this song like, yeah, I was young and dumb and I could have ended my career.

You know what I'm saying? But again, I went to Staten Island, right? You drove over there with the biscuit or you didn't take the train? No, no, no. Listen, what happened? Let me get the story going. So what happened was

I met this girl already You know So she was in And um And um Let me see Um Between England's Park Slope

I was in It's in the record In Park Slope is Brooklyn Yeah Yeah yeah yeah New No I was

I was in New Brighton New Brighton Right so Okay It's hood over there But I don't know that neither Yeah I'm looking at the girl

I get the fuck about Nothing else I'm looking at me Not him Torn down fucking Clinton Hills the sty with I was laying them

chicks out you know you was wilding though he said I ain't care about the hood I was focused on on chicks so when I was bugging all right so when I went to

I'm satirious as wild so so so when you went so when I went to to there I was with the girl so now I went back again and my boy Bernard, my best friend, his father had a church in Staten Island, so he was the pastor

already, because that's when I already knew Wu-Tang. I got a picture of me in Wu-Tang in 1989 before they was famous. Because Ray Kornner, I was going to sign him Dolo by himself at the time. Wow, that's crazy. So I went back the second time. The nigger that's dead from the fours'-em-Ds, it was his birthday. Right? So I'm talking with him.

I forgot. It wasn't Steve was the one that passed away. So we're talking He's like, yo, I'm going to go to the store And get me a bottle You want to drink? I'm like, nah, I'm cool Soon as he left I went in the building

Now, she was on the first floor So I opened the door I was on my way upstairs already But I heard somebody, yo, come back I'm going to shoot your man I come back down the stairs They got the gun in my man's stomach So I walk back

You know So now my mind I'm angry You know So now I'm like, yo, this is not happening. He said, take your chain off. I had a big chain. I had some rings, you know, but I had $1,000 on my chest, and I had the Benzzy box on me.

You were the Benzzy box. I don't know about the Benzzy box. I don't know about the Benzzy box. The Benzzy box would you take the radio out with you. You know, you take it out and you go with it. That's what we had back then. So. Yo, nigg, you just jacking for a beat for real.

So now he snatched my chain and take the Benzzy box. Then he shoots in the air. Blop. So when I get outside, and he's like, what happened. It was too fast for them to know that happened so they set me up. So I don't know if it was the foursome D-nigger knew what was going on, but I was in the wrong spot. But let me tell you something too. While I'm talking to him, I see a lady in the door, an old lady, but it

looked like a mask. It looked fake, but I'm not thinking it's fake. It was him. He was already getting ready to get me. So now he got me snatched up. So my whole thing. So my whole I think too, I'm mad because I got to drive home with no music. That's where I'm really mad at. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut. I think what makes Gentleman's Cut different is me being a part of, you know, developing the profile of this beautiful finished product. With every sip, you get a little something different.

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I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What do they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged. Oh, horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show.

Boo. Somebody had tomatoes. I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the small talk. And they were just like, so what do you got? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out Not My Best Moment with me, Kevin on stage,

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everybody, it's Chuck and Josh from the Stuff You Should Know podcast, and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 days of Christmas toys playlist that the whole family can enjoy.

That's right, maybe you missed it the first time we detailed the history of Beanie Babies, Monopoly, or yo-yo's and a whole lot more. So listen to the 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household,

two radically different paths. Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers in Texas. 32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang, and nobody was going to tell him what to do. You're going to push that line for the calls.

Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story. about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcasts. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah,

something like that, Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about. It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between. Men's health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence, and connection. We don't just want you to live longer. We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. I'm going to let you finish. Don't tell me you shot at the Fawson Bees. All right, I just wanted to make sure. So now, Paris gets the phone call from, from his man. You know that they rob your boy. So I said, so I lied to parish.

Like, somebody robbed me. I was embarrassed, you know. EPMD, you know, don't get close. You might get shot, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all the persona of it. Yeah, but it can happen. It happens.

I know, but listen, I got caught slipping. So now in my embarrassment, I go to Fort Green. I go get Hawk and Dog. Oh, you went to the trenches. You was in the trenches. So hawk and dog niggas know them. You saw them in Cain, no has some video. These niggas, it got busy.

Yeah. Right? And people know them, too. So my cousin, went to go get my cousin, Jamel. And then picked up Hawk and Dog. We rode back to Staten Island on that Saturday, a weekend. So we went to a random club. But it was Staten, now, we didn't care.

So we just walked in just to be walking in. Looking around, this and that, that, and this, whatever, says and such. And then when the club let out, Pulled the bins up. I was in my own car. Pop the trunk. Under the tire, start letting off the whole club.

Just shot up the club? Just shouting up the outside. Whatever. Who was outside? This is wiggy. Did that and that. Because we had to make a statement. We could have hit somebody.

Luckily, we didn't. We got all away from Stap, now, and back to cross the bridge in Brooklyn. and nobody knew there was no cops, no nothing, like, this and not that, this. But they got back that Eric came here with three niggas and shot up and shot this place up. That's crazy.

You was putting in that work, huh? Because this is what I had to do, even though it was dumb and stupid. But again, I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed because the parish knew, and I was embarrassed because I got robbed. And then, of course, me being me, you know, he's a young kid. But that's how, yo, bro, I've been in a situation.

It happens. There's always a girl, it's always a hood you're not from, and you blind. I'm blind. After it happened to me, that's why I wrote the song. It's one rule. Never get caught slipping. I never thought. Never happened again.

Because then I judge a book by his cover. I'm in Staten Island. Don't think it's not booking. It's not Queens. It's not Bronx. It's not Hall. This is Statenown. So I judge the book by his cover.

Knowing Raq Kim does said too, it ain't where you from is where you are. It's not that. And listen. I didn't even put that together together. Niggis may not get a twisted and think Staten Island is. I know that now. Like, Statenland had some of the craziest niggas. They couldn't come across the bridge.

The way they looked at Long Island, how the burrows looked at us as being like that. That's what I took to. I took it for granted where I was at. Outside jewelry, money, boom, boom. Outside talking regular. And this nigga was hungry. Yeah, hell yeah. That's how we go, bro.

Damn, that's crazy. That was an ill story, man. I know you let that thing fly. There's a few niggas that I ain't going to mention no names. Well, chill, we ain't going to get into that, man. Let's go. Let's take it back because EPMD. Y'all was like, what, now I'm going to say the first group because you had Beastie Boys.

But y'all did your thing. Y'all was like a major impact on Def Jam. What was that like when y'all first got signed? Well, the craziest effect that we got signed, again, the demo record is the true record. We built a 68 Camaro that Parrish had where we had stripped the little top off, had it painted, fixed the engine, put rims on the whole nine, and we drove it. And the car did conk out. You know, the way the story says, we just took a demo. So it did happen anyway, but we went to labels back then.

You would look at the album covers and the address would be on there. So we went to, and then the third one we went to was sleeping bag records, fresh records, and they called us back and say, yo, we want to sign, y'all. But after that Rush management had every group So everybody was on Rush Don't matter I remember Yo yo there's a picture

With all Rush groups out there Rock Kim Kane Run DMC Every Beast Everybody was on the One block Elizabeth Elizabeth Street

And we all out there By our cars Oh no no I ain't never seen that one It's a short block Elizabeth Street So we out there I ain't ever seen that one with the cars So it's out there

I don't know. I only saw it once, but it's crazy. But Run DMC was getting me to go on tour. One called Russell. So, listen. Go get them boys because they saw how fast we was blowing. The pause, you know, up far as we, it was like, as soon as this is my thing and you're a customer drop, it was over. And then the album dropped.

You got to chill, it was over. So Run DMC knew the same way that when Drake came out, How Kanye West, like, I shoot the video, you know, you got to admit your competition's coming. That's right. Run DMC knew that this was the end of an era coming. Probably for them. Because Rockham changed the game and then, oh, so who's these new dudes from Long Island? Yeah.

That we patterned our whole self around them. So then, so I were able to have enough money for us to have a tour bus. So we rode on Run DMC's bus. Can you imagine being a kid? Go forget, me and Parish Jove.C. Not only to go get a deal, we wanted to go pick up Suck-M-C's from a record store called Rock and Soul

because we didn't have no store and allowed to have that. So we went to Manhattan to pick up to run the MC, Suck-M-C single. It's like that on the other side. So imagine you get the call and now the whole tour, EPMD, J. J.E. Jeff and French Prince Public Enemy and E.P.M.D.

So it's four of us. And sometimes it would be sticonic. So we all on 1988 called the Run House tour, but I'm on Run DMC's bus. Y'all didn't even have your own bus. No, we were too young for that. And I'm not able to have no money for that. Damn.

You know what I'm saying? But then on the tour, Fresh Prince says, we want to stop and tell y'all, congratulate EPMD for number one album in the country. True. So we are, don't forget, we're on tour with the biggest groups in the world. Yeah. But we number uno.

You know, EPMD's exploded. Hell yeah, that was dope, man. So that's how I was talking. That's to chill. Check up my demo. Like, when them records came out, bro, those is the type of records that made me say, damn, I want to do this shit. Right.

Because the first, I keep it 100. After the first Strictly Business album was made, we go back in, we got the jinx. Nothing's happening. Couldn't make shit. Nothing was working. Luckily, I was in Europe and I heard Groove Me and the guy played this song called by by soul and so-and-so called Fair Play. So when nothing was going,

said, Paras, let me go get that record I bought back. I bought it back from London and it made it. Nice, no, whatever made it back. So what's you saying? Being beans, you got, yeah, yeah. Appreciate you. Oh, no. Yo, you're home, listen, I want my $1,000.

I want my $1,000 back. Yo, I didn't know that what I did was, I know he didn't mean to play me, but I wouldn't have been mad. But he said, yo, I'm going to bet you $1,000 that niggas say, so amazing. I've been waiting. I said, yo, they ain't going to sing it. You know what I'm saying?

Because we're in a crowd, which I figured it's young. Yeah. Just like music is out there. So that's cool. It's 2001. So after y'all get on, we come on and do what you're saying part, and the part comes up. The whole Nassau Coliseum.

sings the part, right? So he'd take my $1,000 on the user, and then throw it in the audience. It's on YouTube, Bleak. No way. So you don't remember that. So you never knew. Okay, we made a bet that night. That they were going to sing that part.

So when you look at the $1,000 that he threw, that was my $1,000 that I bet him. He's a bastard. Right. So he threw it. Jay always takes somebody money and give it away. So on YouTube, I watch it all the time. He threw it in the audience, you know, whatever. So, again, but going back to them, going back to that,

we had a little bit of, it was going to be like a sophomore Jenks. I'm like, this is going to be. So then demo started coming and the things came after. But in the beginning, nothing was working. But luckily, I bought that record back from Europe. Damn, that's crazy, man. That record, did you know, like, of course, it's like me asking myself the same question,

but I have to ask you. Did you even think that y'all was making something as timeless as you did? Nah, but we knew that we knew what we wanted to hear and we knew that it sounded dope to us. Don't forget, nobody knows what you're doing

until you send it to them. That's right. Until they hear it. So you have to fuck with it first. Yes. So if we like it then we go on with it. You know, the labor don't know. They okay and what we bring it to them. Don't forget it wasn't only like,

that's not good. This is whack. This is whack. Oh, yes. You know, so they wasn't likely on, most labels, you know. So they bring what you bring them and they were like, yeah. So one thing about us, EPMD was the last group to come out in that time. So I was able to hear MC Light, K-R-S-1, Rakim, Bismarkey, Kane. All these people I was able to hear first.

First, Shan. So now, if I'm looking back and we like this, we can't be whack. I got all to look at. That's right. So now we got my mentor two towns away, which is Raq Kim. So this is Windanch, then in between there's Deer Park, and then there's Brentwood. So that's what made me really go.

Because once I heard Raq Kim, my DJ Diamond was like, listen, this a nigga named Rock Wind, came out. His name was Rock Wins. Yo. So he's like, yo, some gunned in the Rock Wend him came out. He rhymed slow like you do, because I had a, with a list, so I'm rhyming slow. So when I heard, turn to bass, check out my melody and knowledge to call, I'm letting

knowledge be born. And my name's the R. A.K. So now I'm like, yo, knick, knack, paddy, whack, give a dog a bone, and yo. I'm rhyming like this too. So I'm like, yo, we can make it. That's right. Because he's, I came in the door.

I said it before. Yeah. So we're like, emcees out there. You better stand clear. He PMD is the world. So, so we knew that, so we knew that, okay, that we can make it.

Because he's also from Long Island. Even though we public economy came, his Marquis came, this is all Long Island. Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying? Because if you take Long Island out of the map, it's a problem.

You know, the day lies the, you know, the, um, Buster Rhymes, the crew, you know, so it was a bunch of people that, you know, the Keith Murray's and Kay Solos the whole not-so at that point.

Like, my G, they call our era, the golden era. I ain't going to discredit it. But your era, bro, that's the golden era. There's too many rappers. You hear them rappers you was just naming, bro, like,

y'all paved the way for guys like us to pave the way for the other guys. You got to understand, man. Without y'all, it wouldn't be no us, bro. This is special ed. This is Coogee rap. This is NWA. This is, again, it's a light.

This is even hammer. This is, this is 40. This is something like on that side. Yes. There's too many people that came in the late 80s. And then 88, it was everything. Everything that sparked what you hearing and seeing came from that year and not ever. Mostly that year 88.

That's right. The drugs was crazy. Crack is 88. This is, this year was the Dapper Dane, Gold Fronts, everything was ridiculous. Mike Tyson at the Uptown at the Beverly, the clubs, all this shit. 88 was the year, man. I don't give a fuck what niggas talking about.

You said the 90s, they mission, but the golden era to me, not because I was there, is that. Yes, it was, man. I agree, bro, because I was a shorthy trying to imitate, emulate everything. y'all were doing, man, like, yeah, with the chains, the cars, you get your album cover and be like, yo, hold on, these niggas ain't sitting on top of the bands. Hey, listen, this is what they said, too. Somebody from Detroit said, we thought y'all was drug dealers.

Yo, I'm telling you. So you, rock him and Eric B. Of course, when they're covered with the- Remember, they got the big chains on, yeah. Back to fucking dappadan, was not that. The Gucci joints on, yep. Me and Paris were on the car with the jewelry on, too, and I'm like, what do you mean? I said, yo, we y'all look, because that's what we, it was, before rappers came, the look was from the streets, yes.

So. Now it reversed, like, you know what I mean, the streets emulate what the rappers is doing. But back in the day, the rappers imitated was the streets, the drugs. That was the way. That was the swag. That was it. That was the swag of the industry. They got mad when hip hop came.

Yeah. We took their girls and we took their hype. Yo, you're right. I ain't ever think about it like that. You're right. Y'all was on TV all day. So the girls were showing it on the block, like, I'm with you every day. But a homie just was on my, on the box.

I got to check him. Remember, this was the days when you had to call and order that video on your phone bill. I remember, fuck all that. I remember fucking pulling over for that fucking, for that fucking phone, so-and-so, so-and-so on the street, nigger. The telephone booths, nigger, with the quarters, nigga, like, Yo, calling this girl back. Yeah. I'm talking about calling, period.

Oh, yeah, man, yeah. You wasn't there about that. No, I used to, we used to pull us to the phone booth, nigga, and make a call. Yeah, you're right. Cell phone came. Call the lawyer. You had to call your lawyer. You had to pull over to the store.

Yeah, you know how much. That's crazy. You know how much the brick phone was? Yo. The brick alone and then the phone, yo, we had two. $2,000 phone bills on the regular in the 90s. Yeah. On the regular, like we, until somebody's...

You heard Biggie saying phone bill about 2Gs flat. Until somebody, my man was getting the burners back then and getting the burners and then fixing the phones, you was lit. You paid like $700 for it. And it was on until you lost it. Yeah, the phone was on to you lost it. Yeah, the phone was on to you lost it. But until then, Joe Boogie, we had $2,000 phone bills, $25.

$100, $3,000 all the time, nigga. That's insane. Every month to have a cell phone. Yo, shit, you went, what made you transfer from? Because y'all dominated, of course, made y'all mark on the hip-hop rap scene. But then you just became, like, the illest producer. Like, what was that? Well, after the group broke up and I was released from the handcuffs,

I went to Atlanta, right? just because I was like, you know, even though I knew that, okay, you can't leave. So they were going to come and get me anyway. But I wasn't going to sit there and let them come and get me. Who? Because they had the three signed statements on me. Who? So I was riding on you?

No, the thing that went down with EPMD, the breakup to happening to begin with. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Can you have to speak? I was a little lost. Like, wait, who coming to get you? Right. So, so, so, so, but that's all. on the shit

that's on YouTube it's on the story but again I wasn't gonna let them just sit there knowing they got three signed statements

that means they can railroad me too you know even though I know that again you know somebody had just

made a whole thing up but niggas will believe it you know so it ended up being not true

so anyway I went to Atlanta so when I went to Georgia I had went to Georgia earlier and met some girl right

so so so and then I met the niggas who I did the rim shot with okay yeah yeah he's from Detroit so Greg and him so I met him so I knew I had a place to go too

so I chilled there next thing you know Puff call first for for the Who's the Man soundtrack and I made my first single hitting switches right Oh shit, that was, Am, I ain't even know that. It's crazy.

I made hitting switches, and then when I shot the video, it was Puffy and Haid Williams. They first shit. That's when I tell her that Biggie, everywhere I was shooting, Biggie was next to me. Everywhere I went, he was, again, because Biggie had told Tracy Waples, kept me on the Eric Sermon album, right? But I already had my own crew, Reggie. Yeah. We're going to get into that, too.

I already had rappers. Yeah. But Biggie told Tracy, please get me on that album, you know, so, but it didn't happen. But anyway, that's when Atlanta was, they kind of opened up to me. When the record come on, they'd be like, Atlanta's own Eric Sermon. I'm like, what? The next thing you know, the papers call the Constitution. I'm on the front page.

Eric Sermen used to Atlanta. Wow. And I'm like, yo, what's going on? So they embrace me. So when I got there, I met Dallas Austin and Dallas had gave me one of his rooms out the blue just as being a fan. He said, yo, I got this shit Corralti Records. I got these groups, Shays the Lingo and Illegal. Can you produce them for me?

I remember illegal. So I'm like, okay, whatever, little Jamal and Leek was bad. It was 14. I'm talking about bad kids, though. They grew up, but they were bad kids. Come on, bro. It was that era. It was the early 90s.

So they lived with Lisa Lopez, God best of dead. No way. Right. Oh, them niggins. So Lisa had took them. So they were like, Your Uncle E, you coming over? Mm-hmm.

So that's when I was with Lisa for a little bit. I always thought Ealing was signed to the hit squad. No, they were signed to Routy. That's crazy. I always thought they were with you. So now I'm over there as Uncle E. Mm-hmm. So now it's me, Jamal, Malik, and Lisa living in the hotel.

Right? Don't be good. I just got there. I don't have shit. Yeah. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. So I'm in a hotel too.

Just ain't in that hotel. But once Lisa let me come through, then I'm staying there. Yeah. But I end up doing... Lil Zane had a group two. Got the name of the group two. So I did all the rap that was on Rowdy. Because the towers looked out for me.

So, and next you know, I got a call from Shaq too. I was getting my money up. Who's the man who's going to say $500? Shack, I thought it was going to be a big check I jive, $75, I do four records on there, right? And I wrote, and I did outstanding. Yeah. It was into going platinum.

Then I did Malik and Jamar and Ligo. They ended up winning the Billboard Award for a week is busy. Yeah. So, again, so all this stuff was going on. And that's how my shit went like that. I just started doing everybody. So anybody didn't rap that was crazy. I was already doing Red Man.

But then the How High thing came around when I went back to New York to go visit. So in the studio, then I made How High. And after that, then Reggie's Muddy Waters was time to come. So I ended up doing that. So this is- We're not going to skip over Red Man. Like, he's just a regular artist I signed. Yeah, my man from the block, Red Man. You just keep going, yeah, Reggie.

Y'all changed the game with Redman, bro. Rappers wasn't, you really using that funk doc like that, bro. Y'all brought that new sound and then, bro, Reggie was, I ain't going to lie, man. To me, before, Jay was, he was the illest rapper I ever heard when I was a kid. Okay, I'm glad we sawing this right now. Word up, I tell you no lie. Red man was the illest dude I felt I ever heard when I was a kid.

It was another rumor, but I think that Jay would say because it's not nothing bad. Jay at one time I think we asked to do a record and he was like I respect him too much to rock with him you know and we was at a Vegas fight

in Vegas too don't forget I'm over here with this chick named Nicky you always got the chicks man and it was it was Floyd May with his baby mother's friends so Dame is over here too and Dame is saying Yo, Jay, what album we got in the cars?

He says, oh, we got Red Man in the car. Yeah. Yo, I'm telling you. And I'm like, I was bugging out because I'm like, yo, that's what y'all playing? So, yo, yo, we're playing Redmond, playing Reggie in the car. Yo, I'm going to tell you a story, right? It's ill. Because you signed some of the illest people, man, from Red Man than Keith Murray.

The most beautifulest thing in the world, man. Y'all, the hit squad was special, man. You hear me that? What was the song? The Had Bangers? Man, I wrote a verse to that as a shorty. Just imagine that I was in that crew, bro. Wow.

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No way. I never got it to him. I wasn't even making it up for us. That was the last song that EPMD recorded for the fourth album before the breakup. Yo, bro, I'm telling you, I changed the game. But listen, right? I'm hearing everybody, Keith Murray, listening to all the music. Mind you, I'm a fan of everybody.

They used to have this event called the Gavin. Yeah, hell yeah, what? Right? So I was like Jack the rapper and Gavin. Yo, remember, I was 14 years old. I'm not even supposed to be here. How are you getting out there anyway? With Jay.

Okay, with Jay. Jay, this is when, this is before ain't no nigger, none of that. This was, yeah, this was, uh, that's 95, 94. Yeah, this is that president. Okay, so it's at 96. No, this is, remember the album came out 96. Uh, dead presence, I believe, came out the end of 94 beginning of 95. 94?

Yes. Yeah, I'm telling you, end of 94 beginning of 95. I was out there for a whole year before y'all got, before Will Sokoloff did that. Because, you know, Will Sokolov is Steeping Back Records. That's where I come from. No, I ain't know. I don't know who put the event together, but I'm a titular I'm going to tell you how I met Keith Murray.

Okay. Right? So I'm listening to y'all, right? We're going to 14, 15 years old, going to New Orleans. We deep. We're on the plane. We land. We wait.

We're in baggage claim. We're getting our bags. And then they go Keith Murray in them. So then all I see is, dang. Yo, hold my jury. Jay, anybody take it off their journey. Oh, no, because they had a sick before. Yeah, they start fighting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm standing there like, yo, diggas got beef with Keith Murray. Irene, I thought this is the most beautiful thing in the world. You don't know the story? No. So listen. Wait, I got to give you that first. You can see what happened.

Because this is crazy. I ain't here about that part. Yeah. Murray was going to some type of restaurant where Damon was going to too. Murray saw some girl come by. So Murray is in the Lex. He hits Dame's car. Oh, shit.

So now they end up going to some. type of brunch a luncheon. So they're both in the same spot. So, Dame is like, yo, they're going to hold me right there. This is not that and this.

So all of a sudden, Murray hit Dame over the head with the bottle. Oh, wow. In the club. No way. Yes. I knew, I heard that incident, but I never know where it happened. So what you're saying, I don't know about that part. Yeah. I know what happened with that.

Yo, bro, in New Orleans, fresh off the plane on site. Now, mind you, I never met Keith Murray. It's my first time on the plane leaving the projects. So I'm like, oh, this is how it is when you get off the plane? It's just like the projects. Y'all, I swear to God, the niggas was rumbling in the airport. I never heard that. Yeah, I swear, bro.

That's my first time ever seeing Keith Murray in my life. But that's where it came from. I ain't know that's what it started from. He hit his car, but I was bugging like, when the fuck we got? beef with Keith Murray. Yeah, yeah. But, no, but y'all, man, the hit squad, what was that like, man? Because you say illegal and it was bad.

Now, you said Keith Murray. Well, well, see, Murray and illegal and illegal came after the breakup. So the hit squad is EPMD, DOS effects, K Solo. Kay Solo, yo. So you had. Yeah, I had some shit over there. Daz effects, too, changed the game. So solo was unique because of the spelling and like Nas is one of his favorite rapists.

Because solo was said he was, he was do something like, it wasn't me, the rhyme did it. So we never heard nobody speaking third person and had the rhyme as a character doing damage. Yeah. So he had to rhyme as one of his boys, you know, when he talks. So Nas always speak about I was a fugitive before solo stories to end the technique and he was doing and Daz effects with the wicket deep wow you know so this is and the red man so all my emcees were had styles wait up daz effects was under you too it's his squad i told you his squad i didn't know yeah yo that's how you know i didn't i didn't pay attention you got

dot effects too yeah but i'm just thinking that's features like the symphony or something i didn't pay attention to labels and everybody that signed to me reggie dot's effects and solo no man you got to be credited one of the greatest fucking ears in his That's why you hear my voice. They won't effects. Some live effects. Snap a neck for some live effects. That's me.

Yeah. Those effects changed the game too. So they did. They did something for EPMD in the squad that was dope because they went platinum. So they opened up another lane that we didn't have. So when crossover came, boom. You know, gold album, this and that, that, and this, platinum hours, whatever. They opened stuff up because they, I mean, they were spring break.

They were little white kids. They was this. Everywhere. Everywhere, bro. So that was, but the death squad is where Keith Murray and the league came. Oh, yes, it's two squads. There's two squads. The hit squad and death squad.

Yes, you're right, you're right. Yo, y'all fucking, yo, bro, legendary shit, Marci. They gotta put you on the top with the legendary CEOs of the game. Because you're a pioneer of some of these probably wouldn't be no P, no cash money. None of these type of CEOs. You're one of the first. Like, think about it. You give who else?

Michael Bivens was signing everybody too. You know what I'm saying? You, like, it wasn't really Russell Simmons, of course. They were signing everybody, but it wasn't artists signing people like that. Because don't forget, niggas was,

don't forget I had Dave Hollister too. That's that squad. Damn. So you got the whole Monica, Dave Halster, Alfonso Hunter. All these people that too was under Mount Monica. And I had other people that was coming. Don't forget, I could have signed Game, I couldn't sign Luda, I couldn't sign Wu-Tang,

I couldn't sign Rick Ross. Look at these niggas was all with me. 50 Cent was on, all these people was people that came to me. And I produced, don't think, Rick Ross slept on my basement floor. And then you got people that hitmaker who lived for me for six months. He's one of the biggest songwriters in the world. But all these bleak, you can have some people that talk about some people, but when you watch the Wu-Tang series, that's why my name and stuff,

and me appears all through it. Because, again, I was going to sign, and Ray Kwan speaks about this. Yeah, I was going to sign with Eric. The game talks about this. Yeah, I was going to sign with Eric. Don't forget me, notorious B-I-G was bought to me at a barbershop in Brooklyn. I did not listen to him. You look.

Yo. I don't got no cat with me, V, ever. You're lying. You ain't listening that. Yo, big album was circulating Brooklyn streets before it came out. He went platinum before ready to die out. He wasn't nowhere near being looked at. He was still with C in the basement.

But the barber, too, that knew somebody who knew him, like, your Eric's here, bring Biggie through. And I was like, getting my hair cut, it's doing me. I'm about, wherever you, I'm looking, you're going to get with the chair. Exactly. Damn, man. Bian got dubbed because of a chick. She had that, no, I don't even know.

She had the wife before the party in them. No, no. I don't know if that was on my mind at the time, but I was already me. Yeah. Had bread the whole nine. Yeah. You was on that rapper shit. But I had my own rappers.

Yeah. So you wasn't really, you like, I'm good. I don't eat. And then, yo, there's one person that didn't make it. That didn't make it that you probably never heard of. But go back and listen to him. Jamest to Jay brought me this kid named Joe Sinister. I remember.

I heard of him. No, babe. I heard of Joe Sinister. He was nice. He was nice. Joe Sinister. He came in with Onyx and Red Man said, Eric, listen, I know I'm me. Mm-hmm.

But there's some nigger with Ones with a backpack on him. This nigga is dangerous. Yeah, he was nice. Metaphorically. he on my solo album too that's why I couldn't even look at the biggie because now I got my own crew and then I got this Joe Sinister guy

on my album too because Jay came to the studio with him and we happened to make a record I like it and I'm like you know what I'm gonna keep it because I'm hearing metaphors that Reggie didn't do yet and if Reggie brought him to me I mean he was nice

what you gonna mean this is Reggie that's right he said Eric I ain't gonna say the niggas with Homeboy. I'm like, on the block with Christine spitting the green pea soup. A cocknines smoking Nick, Nick, Nick with the Lodians. I'm like, no, yo, he was so far out there.

He said, I'm going to shoot you in the head. The bullet is in there paying rent in the brain as a vacancy. Like, I can't rhyme it. But the way that he put it together, Suck my dick. Fuck this shit for explicit. What? Like,

he was way ahead of time. Way ahead of his time. Yeah. So I know some guys like that from the projects that never, never got a shot. Never got a shit. It was a head of their time, man. He got a shot. What you think, what would you say?

I had cannabis too. He was Deaf Squad too. Yo, how y'all let him get in that drama then, man? He was, he left and went to White Clef. That's what I'm about to say. Yeah. why Clef gave him that, ooh-hoo. You gave him that money.

He gave him that money. They let L. L.L. get that boy that work. But if you listen to the beginning of his stuff on the radio, he says, Death Squad, and then he goes to rhyme. Had him- Cannabis was a fucking assassin, bro. You're kidding me? He was a problem.

And again, you got to listen, man, L.L. don't give a fuck who it is. Yeah. Don't forget, L.L. was like, Foxy Brown on the record. or conquer the world fuck Ice T Hammers and Ice T's girl still He doesn't care Female rap is too

I don't give a fuck fool Yo we on Rampage Yeah no Al was giving everybody that smoke I didn't give Coomodee that smoke No you're missing it He on our record Saying you and your squad

gonna face the real guard The under thing this is us And he comes in that John Neck on your record On the record Same record Yeah, L was a B. But then he said on the break of dawn, give me that microphone.

I'm going to show you the real meaning of the Dains. You know, L was a problem. He didn't, I don't know that was just his instinct, but that's just how he was. Yeah, battle. Number one, that's right. Anybody get that story. Anybody can get it. Friends or not.

That's right. You want to feed you, I'm at your neck, man. But like I said, what would you say your best, your best business decision has been? out your career? Again, it's a catch-22 because the breakup, you know, I think that if that didn't happen, I would have been inside of a system where I just made beats for my crew. The breakup was a gift and the curse too because once I broke up, I was able to become what I become.

Don't forget, man, I produced almost all the rap and half R&B. People don't look at my R&B and look at DiAngelo, Chico DeBarge, M.Vogue, Mary, Jodicey, Angie Stone. You know, this is a piece, Angie Stone. Black Street, keep sweat. I can keep going on R&B, Brownstone. This is what you can, everybody that you're looking at before, they see me as hip-hop, but I did this too.

That's what I said. You pivoting crazy. Like, your production bag is insane. That's what I told you, like, you're a legend in both atmospheres of the game. Rapping and production. And it's insane. Not everybody can do that. Right.

Oh, no, bleak, I can, I'm a floss right now, niggas, you're not me. Yeah, I tried, bro. And niggas can talk all the equipment for me, the beat machine, guru and just blaze was in my house setting up everything because I'm like, yo, I'm going to learn how to make beats, right. I got this shit. Bro, I couldn't get past the tick on the MPC. The shit that you make the drum pan to, I was all.

Yeah, again, go back to that. Like, this is my crew, too, DJ Twins and Rockwiler. at the time. Shout out the Twins. They gave me one of my biggest record, man. And Twins, too, they learned because they watched. Mm-hmm. So, mind right is watching Rock Wilder.

Yeah. And twins say it all the time. Eric, if it wasn't for you, nigger, we wouldn't know none of this shit. That's crazy. Yeah, no, I couldn't. I tried. I knew. Production and producing, that's a whole different.

So you tried. You said you hit one button bleak? And couldn't do it. Y' niggas producers to me are insane. Because you can just listen. It's quiet. And y'all could be like, yo, you hear that?

No, hear what? And then they could go to the beat machine. That. Yo, what the fuck did you just hear? So, yeah, it's not for me, bro. No, just, when I was down at one of the, like, again, sometimes you get the low, it was Kanye West for me.

Yeah, no. Like, he was a, when I, that, the album, I'm like, man, then the Long Hill, too, also woke me up because of her drums. too. Yeah, no, Kanye, because him and Just Blaze to me were the two illis samplers. Like, they will sample a record and flip it where you wouldn't even know where the record came from.

Because, let's put it, I need to get some of that money back. Junker. What? Okay, so that React beat was out. Whether Mep had it. I heard Japan Dupree had it, whatever. And Dame got mad afterwards. Make sure you, before you give stuff out, boom, boom.

Dame, niggas had the beat. So Justin, do nothing wrong. Again, somebody from the label went right to Angie Martinez. Where did he's go? All right at it. So now you get to stick me up now. Oh, shit. Yo.

Just Blaze told the story to this day. His biggest check, they got me for 60 racks. 60,000. He said that's the most money he ever got. got for a record 60,000. Because Dane was like, fuck all that. The record's out. 60. Yo, I deserve some money that money back, Just about 10,000 of it.

Yo, that's insane. I forgot Jess did that record for you. Come on, Just Blaze. Yeah. That's crazy. Whatever she's saying, I'm bad. Yo, you're wild on that record, man. Because the whole thing, the fact that, again, it was the perfect thing to say, though,

meant because nobody knows what she said. So I said, whatever she said, yeah, I'm that. Yeah. Meanwhile, somebody's not saying, yo, Eric is good. She's talking about suicide. I'm like, you know, the web was, I'm like, come on now. Enough with that. Now she's talking about who said all this stuff.

Yo, that shit bullshit. I know. But bro, you done been through the label drama, of course, group drama, industry shit, health scares. Yeah, I had a heart attack of 2011. You know what I mean? I'm glad to see you still with us. Yeah, thank you too.

You know what I mean? What's your strength behind everything that keep you going? You know, for those who might need that motivation. Yeah, well, my best friend passed away, which is my mother two and a half years ago. Oh, God bless, man. And I got to say this one thing, too. I know I say it a lot, though, too, but Kanye West helped me out a lot.

No way. Because when I was flying down to do Kanye West, my mother had told my sister make sure every girl in that plane so I landed in L.A. May 30th and the phone ring my boy Bernard passed me the phone who was my sister

and said mom passed away my mother knew that she didn't want me to be there so when I got there Kanye West said yo E my mom's died I went to work come to the lab tomorrow so I stayed with Conroy and Kanye in the lab about five months.

We was in the comp and his 25,000 square feet thing he had. Then we went to the addition. He had to hold the whole eighth floor. What me and Ye was doing was not what Votches was, right? So when I went home to bury my mother, I flew to Italy. Right? So when I got to Italy, I see my songs on the board, but the entire dollar sign was there. So that whole thing switched.

Got switched. So, so, because I was like, yo, yay, where's the rhymes at? Like, why ain't no rhymes on the room? So he calls a meeting like, yo, bring Eric in. You know, Eric says there's no rhyme. We got to start putting some rhymes on here. So I had the ear, but it just got lost. So I left Italy, you know.

And I'm like, damn, you know, I'm going to spend a year, you know, just trying to put stuff together. And it didn't, you know. And it changed, you know. That's crazy. No. Kanye is a. He goes on different, this sound, that sound quick.

Yeah, but I'm never going to be able to know when people say about how he is, I know what he did for me. Yeah, no, he's a good dude, man. At a time when my mother passed away, so when I'm going back to your question, how do I, where my experience it came from, it came from her. So everything that I do, how I speak, how I'm act, how it was raised was from her. So I know that when I die, only I go. Like, Denzel had made a quote, like, you never seen a you hold behind the hers, which is true.

Can't take them with you. So why I'm here, I just don't want to be labeled as no asshole when niggas talk about me or when I go. So I've always been a humble person. So when, because they're going to forget, loyalty is loyalty. Respect you can't buy. That's right. So when people say, which one you're going to choose? Lawyty is the respect part because loyalty can easily be, can be tampered with it.

And can be fake. It can be fake. But respect, you got to own that. That's right. And you can't, so again, I just had the respect for my whole time being in the game. And my boys would say, too, Eric, when your name is mentioned, shit open up. And niggas listen. They're like, oh, you know, you know, whatever?

And that part right there makes it feel like, you know what, I did my job. That's right. No, that's what's up. What advice would you give the young artists today navigating the industry? I would tell them, too, that it's a business, too. And the fact that the independency, you come from it. Don't forget, that's why when you watch the backstage and you see Dane Barkin, is you right, you didn't do nothing for me. That's right.

I did this work. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So the advice I give, the more work you put in for yourself, the better it will be from you. Don't forget, we was all independent. Fresh records, you know, Zakiya, fucking boogie down records, all this stuff that all these independents came from. They all came from independents. All of this, you know, profile, run them.

See, these are all before they got signed to majors. So the independent game was already always there. So be independent. Try to own as much as you possibly can so you can navigate with it and be able to move with it or have ownership. And then keep it 100% you. If you go to McDonald's every day at 3 o'clock, then write about it. Because that's your story.

Don't tell somebody else's a story because that kid will find out that that's not your story. You're lying. That's right. That's what, yo, that's some of the advice Jay used to tell me as a kid, man. When the lies run out, the rhymes run out. Yeah, but I heard you, I heard you on the cover thing, the bleak, which was mad real, that you said, yo, he,

I mean, you told the guy, he's like, yo, I was wild. Yeah. I'm glad that he didn't bring me because I was out of control. Yeah. So you're talking about me out of control. He was out of control, too. Yeah, I was way out of control. I knew I was.

but I knew how to stay off the, off the scene. The way I'm not in the fact that... But the fact that you was able to do that. A lot of niggas were not to be able to do that. I still want to roll like, nigga, take me. But you knew, like, listen, I can be a liability. Yeah, I'm not in the right space, man. Like, you know my mentality and what I'm thinking about can jeopardize everything.

Like, because remember, Jay got to a point where he became larger than life. Like, and it's like, I've still always got to worry about there. What if somebody try to home me? Even though he got security for that, but I'm not relying on them people. You know what I'm saying? So it's like if sun go down, I'm the guy, I'm ready.

We always ready, everybody. So it's like you don't need me to be around looking at something and thinking there's something that is not, and then I go off the, I go left, and do something I'm not supposed to do. And that I would jeopardize everything. We work for everything everybody trying to get to. And because I'm still on.

on this hood mentality. Right. You know what I'm saying? I was still. No, no, no, I heard you. And I'm like, yo, a lot of, a lot of niggas won't do that. Because niggas want to be on the same.

They want to be there. I knew the A train was too, the A train was too exquisite for me. I had to get, I had to go back to the G. Right. Exactly. No doubt.

Like, word. Tell me about, it's been more than a decade. Right. I want to know what made you, I know what made you give it. I'm an artist. Okay.

to love, but tell me about this new album. Oh, yeah, the couple of your new singers, too. I don't know why you stop going. Yo. I'm going to talk about you off camera about this too because if you, because I sing you 30 right now after clip. Mm-hmm. Like right now, I have to be good about seeing you 30 records right now.

I'm back working. Okay, okay, cool. That's great. Yeah. I don't want you. Here's why I did dynamic duos. In 2019, I was like, yo, why are my colleagues working? I didn't understand

who told you to stop making records so COVID came so two years went by but Kevin Lowes I was going to go sign with Alan Grum Black and then Kevin Lous called Alan say you're Alan that's too big for you

let me get that Eric Cerman album so I signed with 300 so I was making the record Leo Cohen sells 300 400 $450 million to Julie Oh, wow.

And Mike Geiser at Atlantic. Mm-hmm. So, time go by. So what you see Nas doing, I was doing that four years ago. So now it just happened to be coming out. Yes. So I was like, there's 23, I believe, about 23 or 24 rap groups, duels in hip-hop, if you look it up.

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Prodigy, Nate Dawkins, and Sean Price, right? So all that took time, too. Yes. So now I got to say, okay, some stuff didn't come back, some stuff didn't. But the stuff that's coming out in DeSemit Fifth on a dynamic duel volume one is Cypress Hills, MOP, EPMD, Snoop Dogg and Nate, Little Wayne Conway the Machine game, red and meth, dog pound, health-skelter, right? That's right, man.

Shut out, rock and rock. Showing price. Rest in peace, man. You my dude rock, man. And I said, Mom Deep. So it's 12 records coming, you know. So then volume two, you know, it'll be what it is. I already know, because I'm all that you got whatever's coming out.

But right now December 5th, for those that was waiting, because people would be like, yo, Eric is lying. He's doing the detox shit. You're never coming. But they don't know the parts of, again, COVID. Claritin. The label going. Clearance is the whole nine.

So all that should take time. But again, I was doing it because my colleagues wasn't making records at the time. They're making records now. By the time, nobody was moving. So I was like, if you need, if you can't go in because you don't want to know how to make a record and you can't, then I'm going to be the services for you. That's right. I'm going to take all of it for you. And they was down with it.

That's right. Now, that's dope, man. I respect, like, guys like you, like, you got salt and pepper public. Oh, I forgot about salt and pepper too, yeah. You know, y'all all linking with the new generation and bridging that gap. Like, what that's like working with the Conway machines and, like, the game? You know what I'm saying? But, but don't forget, Bleak, this, I work with everybody.

And one thing about me, like I said, the respect part, if I DM somebody is very rare, I'm going to know. That's right. You know, because niggas is the only respect thing. So what you're hearing right now is just, again, was my error that I, already had done. That's why you hear the Conway new one, because that's where I was going. I was going with the mixed-the-new with the old. Exactly. So you would hear more of that connection on volume two. Yes, yes. Where I would have like a G-Herbo with somebody who rhyming or a chord day or somebody in that type of situation rhyming with new people. Then if I do do

with volume three, it'd be me pushing the music forward with new people. Yes. Damn. With two new rappers with an album of this new rapist that you never heard before or the newest of the new, you know? Because once you put your, jump out of the window, anybody like, yo, when they heard these names, yo, I did a locks record. So I played it yesterday on their show.

Jada was like, holy shit. I'm like, so do you want me to keep it or you want to change it? Because he forgot what this out of it. He's like, no, no, keep that one. We do another way. Keep that one, though, too. So, you know, again, these people know what I'm capable of. I'm not a person too bleak where you got to tell me it's over.

I'm too. I'm a saturday like your boy. That's right. I know when it's over. Yes. You don't got to tell me I'm whack. Like, I don't, like, I mean tripping. My thing is, you can never be whack because you're not a whack person.

You have to be, to be whack, you have to be a whack person. You can just make a whack rhyme. Your life, your dressing, your card, your lifestyle. Everything got to be whack. You're right. You're right. And I tell people too, but I'm not going to be the one that's hanging on trying to be whatever. Where they got to send the sandman out for you?

I ain't going to mention no name. But somebody had said something over 15 years ago and Jay was still getting busy. You know probably who the rapper is. He said, yeah, man. and he should move over and shit and let other niggas eat. We know something like, when I heard that, I was like, huh?

No, you step your game up, yeah. Getting in the ring, man. You get in the ring. Yeah. You want the niggas to stop because he's still eating. When I heard that, I lost it. But, of course, I can't go back.

I'm not going to go and dress somebody. But when I heard that, I was like, excuse me. Excuse me. Thank you, but you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. We ain't got to say no names, man. They know the shoe,

fits. Yeah, exactly, right. Yo, um, what do you want people to say about you when it's all over? Like, what, what you wanted him say, Eric Sherman, who he was? I was a good dude because I did a lot of shit for free. And I gave, I gave half my money away, but I did shit on the strength to mad people who I don't even know. Um, say that he was just a good dude. Like, my mother was a giver. My mother's funeral, mostly everybody. who came out was like, oh, Belinda was a giver. Oh, Belinda was a giver.

So I learned that. My mother was, before I got on, my mother used to, she didn't really, like, sometimes if she was filling a whole check, she would borrow $20 to give to the next person that needed it. I never seen that before. No, that's dope. You know what I'm saying? So, again, at one time, that's one people to know that part of me, like, no matter

what. And my sister tells people now, my brother is so simple. I don't know how you can argue with him or be in the conversation with him because He don't want much. Eric is already an introvert, so after that, he wanted to either binge watch TV or isn't that that or if he got jobs to do, I'm never late to never, not one interview. I never went to late to nothing. I see you, I was on time.

I never been late to a performance for a promoter. I respect their time. I'm the same way. You got to respect somebody's time. So it's very important. My man, and you always told me, man, if you ain't 10 minutes early, you 10 minutes late. Exactly. And nobody want to work with an artist that they got to wait for.

No, but anybody, I don't care who, to respect somebody's time. That's right. All the time. Do you feel like it's a story that I haven't been told that you feel like needs to be still told about Eric Sherman? Sermon. Yeah, you know, at one time, though, bleak, it's so your bleak. I ain't a lot, man.

It feels normal. You know, with people that you don't hang out with, but they're still your brother, that's how this feels, though, too. Again, when I see some of my people's who I haven't seen in a while, And no matter what, if we don't hang out, it's still like, yo, but it's still love. That's right. But it's real people. But you ask me, say it again?

I said, do you feel like it's a story that hasn't been told that you feel like. At one time, I used to be the underrated story. Yeah. I used to always be like, damn, why niggas don't, you know, not my colleagues. But when you talk about other shit, listen, I'm in 50% of those lists, you know. But are y'all looking at the work, work? That's right. It's only a few of me.

That's right. You know, so you, so if you're going to talk about somebody, because again, that's why I bring up Larry Smith, niggas leave him out, but suck emcees, slick records, Houdini. You know, when you hear these big records, it's this man. Then you got to look at Molly Mall. Without him sampling, if I did, then it doesn't go forward on that level. It probably wouldn't be. No, Jets, Blazes, or Kanye Westons.

None of us, because he was like, yo, I'm a sample, you know? So, again, at the end of the day, I look at myself, Jermaine Dupree, too, a few others. Don't forget. Jermaine Dupree alleged. Yeah, but Justin was able to come in the era where, okay, the producer name was getting recognized. And now you've got the metro booms and the moustics and the whole now where you know their name. Yeah, these producers getting booked for shows. Exactly.

So, again, I just. I used to look at that, but I'm like this, too. The legendary part of it is they will know. That's right. Because when it's a need to know, they will know. That's right, man. So I'm going to trip home no more. And y'all legends, like I said, EPMD, man, the hit squad, death squad.

Everything y'all done, man, has been, I've been watching from afar, bro, and I've been a fan. You, I, shit, when I first met you, you treated me like you knew me for a hundred years. And we've been brothers and been love ever since, my G. Listen, in my car, I put the, I put the blueprint from top to bottom. So when you come off with the rulers back and you just keep, because don't forget it, there's no skip. That's right. You know, so my momentum comes from this.

So who in the world can lie to somebody's face and say, you ain't a fan of Jay, you're a liar. No, that's like saying they're not a fan of you. That's what I'm about to say, man. Oh, no, I watched Jay be like, oh, so you, yo, yo, E, so you made all that shit? I remember he was with Beyonce one time at the Jones Beach shit and they come to watch a show. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago and they came out the car. So he came out of the car, he said, you know what, he said, you made all that shit?

So I guess they was playing it in the car the day before, playing all EPMD. Because again, I'm like, I heard Jay say, relax your mind, there's a concrete free. on twice on the fucking dynasty album. I'm like, yo, you know, I'm like, it's just dope. Y'all was a big influence to a lot of us, bro, and like, don't never think you, you're not amongst those, the JDs and the, like, bro, when they can say your name, they know the classics you produce, the classics you wrapped on.

You gotta stop, because it's my partner, Boogie, and he said, Eric, everybody who, when they in front of you, Say the same thing. Why can't you see it? Yeah. My sister would be like, why can you see it? My mother used to be like, I said like, yo, ma, I saw a sentence since last night.

She was like, and? They saw you. They saw you. That's right. Because you know why you can't see it? Because you live in it. If you took a chance and just stepped back and just looked outside of your life and inside, you'll see it.

But all y'all say it. See, my sister used to get mad too. I'd be like, yo, Kim, I can't help it. I don't know no other way. because even though mom says it, my humble nose comes from this. And Russell Simmons said, Eric, you humble to a fault

because you got to act a certain way sometimes and walk in the room sometimes like you're you. Yeah, like as we say in my hood, man, you got to drag your nuts sometime. Let these niggas know. Hold up. That's me too, right? Yeah, I'll be like, sometimes when I'm going to look like,

I take my nuts out right now and drag him on the floor and have them bleeding. And the brother was sweet niggas, you would never be me. That's right. I would do it, but not in front of people. You know, I would talk shit. What's next? What's next for you, my brother?

Okay, I'm going to big up the 88 fresh I got coming on stars. It's a four documentary series. I got a thing called beats and bars out there where I go to 10 cities. You go on the web, you see it now. I go to 10 cities and bars. Sway the executive with my boy Nails. Okay. We go and I go to this different cities and I've been out 50 rappers and 25 producers.

And then we pick one out of each one. And then we go to 10 cities and they all were battle at the end in New York. The 10 producers and the 10 rapists. And then they get to split 250 grand. So that show is coming out soon too on Netflix. Vee's and bars. Yeah, Vee's and bars. So when you go on there, too, you will see the cities that we went to so far,

me sway and nails. Shout out swaying nails, man. Nails, man. They're my guy. Oh, Nails, sway, my God, man. Nails, it's on the beat, too. Yeah, word up. And then I got deaf rugs out there,

which is my sister K. Sermon, too, who's, I'm taking part of my percentage back. But we do rugs for everybody. Everybody has our rugs in their house. I need a rug. We got that I'm tapping in. So go on deftrugs.com or go to death rugs on Instagram. on Instagram, whatever in USC.

I don't care who you name, sports, fucking rappers, fucking whatever we did, everyone has my material. And then my boy, a unique auto sports. You know, Will, we've been doing all your cars forever. Unique forever. He's still doing it. Matter of fact, he, I think he just did Fat Joe's Rose Royce just recently inside the thing, and he had Camelo Anthony's cyber truck in there a couple of times.

So it's always, Will said doing him, but me and him as partners now, we got some shit course of what you're saying, two on the small scale, right? So it's what you're saying, podcast, we're getting that together. But it's not going to be in a, like, a scale like that. It's just something that we're doing as him. Will was the first one to do my car in 1988. He put my ragtop on and did my car. One of the first cars he ever did.

So we go back 37 years. So on that part, those what we have now, what I got. got going on now, and along with the volume, too. My boy, Boogie has Boogie Nights coming. Now, Eric Cerman says Boogie Nights have the underground people. Yeah. Like nature, you know, Ali Vegas. The hoodies.

Damn, I heard that name for a minute, man. Word. Bleak, that niggas always been dangerous. Word up, Ali Vegas, man. The hoodies, who else? Frago Bayes. UFO Feeve so all the underground parts

that I didn't do is on that project too did the new Eric Sermon produced Memphis Bleak produced by Eric Sermon all of it because listen no no listen no because the days of the one producer is gone that's why Alchemist

did so much work for the past year Freddie Gibbs fucking Larry June you know and it didn't do most of MabD but again steal mob deep and all the rest of them. I need a project with you. I'm working on the project right now with Kool and Dre.

I need the average. But see, also you're doing the cover. It doesn't matter. The more material you have, don't forget, you're the one that's saving your publishing. That's right. So you build your catalog up. That's right.

So now you got these four or five albums here. If you want to do this. Yeah. See, people don't understand. Say if you got this new publishing and you got this here too. You might not want to sell your old shit. But the new stuff, I can make a million dollars deal with.

And then I can keep going. That's it. Keep going. That's game for young people watching. That's right. Keep going. Reinvest. You know, I appreciate you stopping by.

My brothers, good seeing you, good health, good spirits and everything. Hey, listen, man, this is a lot of sexy right here. But listen. Hey, cheese, you better stop up. No, but listen, man, this is what I tell people all the time. Like, my birthday is November 25th. Right? Oh, right there.

That shit. A couple days, dog. I'd be in Atlanta with my dad who just turned 80 and my sisters. God bless, man lived there, too, before she passed away. So my sisters are there, my two sisters, and then my nieces and nephews. So I'd be sending my birthday there and my son, my 20-year-old is coming with me. Did I be going from Thanksgiving to Miami where I live at, though, too, but I got Art Basil. Yeah, I'll be down there.

I've never been there before. Yeah, I'll be there. So I'm doing, you could take this out, I'm doing drink champs live on the third. That's my partners. Okay, okay, I'm doing that on the third. And then I'm going to go around, too, because I'm recently, you know, see, I don't want to tell these women that this is a variable because it's going to start a frenzy. But listen, if you see me, right, like, oh, you got, that's the green-eyed bandit.

Yeah. To just back it up and slow it down some, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm not going to be in none of my cars, I'm going to be in the Uber. They like that, too. Yeah, but I know because I want to pull nothing out. But listen. They like Ubers. Yo, the flossing that niggas be doing

Oh, my God. You don't need that no more. Like, you know, you bugger, you got, you're broke because you think that car is gonna get to that. And the nigga right now, that's home. Right now, skateboard is laying that out, straight up. And you are out here broke. Yup, frugging, you don't need none of that.

I remember, yo, you said that before we go, I remember I wanted the Bentley. I'm telling Hove, my credit wasn't right. Yeah, I need you to co-sign for the bent for me. He's like, what you need a Bentley for? You got the 600. So I'm like, yo, bro, you know what type of joints I could get with the bench? He said, you know that all the girls take their clothes off the same way.

Whether you walk, drive, or get off the bus. He said, so if they get naked different, then I get you to Bentley. Sagittarius, same mind. How rich you are. There's no rich restaurant for you. That's right. We're still going to book and shop house or sailors or childs. That's right.

Ain't no rich bathroom for you. No. Ain't no rich store for you. They take you in the back door. You know what I mean? But I'm walking in there, but I'm still eating. I'm still going in the same supermarket with you. That's right.

I'm still going in the same clothes store. 100%. There's no, there's no separate shop. Exactly. No. It's just. Same guy, you might have money, but I still can shop at the same place. That's right, man.

So you already know what it is, man. I appreciate you, my brother. Thank you. Let me do a job. This is rock solid. You know what it is. Brought to you by Doucet. Eric Sherman, not Sherman.

You know what it is, man. I'm going to put Memphis on blast right now because this is crazy. He's not going to speak about this. What? But Puffy became a billionaire. there, alcohol, E40, Rick Ross, anybody that got this. So I don't know how much money you're making, but this nigga is lying. Yo, because I'm shopping in the same supermarkets.

Because, because A's in space, anybody who has alcohol has paper. Bleak is able to hide behind the marriage because now I'm home with the wifey so I'm not in the street. But that money, because Snoop Dog is like that too. Nigger Snoot, we know you paid, nigga. Like, yo, stop it. Belique, I'm just keeping it 100.

Whoever is at the job and there's whoever is an employee. And y'all didn't get no Christmas bonus. Somebody speak up. You know what it is. Ducey Mafia. You ready? Yeah, yeah, you can do it.

It's rolling. Which one? Either one. This is your camera right here. All right. E. Dub, my name myself twice, man. I'm the George Grove and the rap. Call me the Iceman.

It's Eric Sermon the Bandit. Half of EPMD, a third of death squad. I'm here right here with Memphis Bleak on... Rock solid. Rock solid. I never knew again. Let me do it again. No, no, no.

It's good. We can talk guys up and put that right there. I'm doing it one more time. I'm right here. E. Dub, I name myself twice, man. I'm the George Gerv in the rap. Call me the Ice Man. It's Eric Sermon, the Bandit, half an EPMD, a third of death squad.

I'm here with my man, man, my brother, Memphis Bleak, here on Rock Solid. And don't get it twisted. I know Twisted is the name. People always sold the time, but don't get it fucked up. Hala. For more podcasts from IHeart Radio, visit IHart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. to your favorite shows act

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