Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Big Daddy Kane (Ep.112)

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary, Big Daddy Kane!Bringing decades of hip-hop history, legendary stories, and plenty of drinks to the table, Big Daddy Kane is widely regarded as one of the greatest MCs of all time! In this episode Kane reflects on his groundbreaking career, his rise with the Juice Crew, and the impact of his classic debut album, Long Live the Kane.Kane opens up about his relationships with some of hip-hop’s biggest names, including Jay-Z, The Notorious B.I.G., Tupac, and Madonna, while sharing insight into the Brooklyn rap scene that helped shape his legacy. He also discusses his influence on the next generation of MCs and why his signature “smooth” style became such an important part of hip-hop culture.The legendary MC gets candid about some of the wildest moments of his career, including the infamous backstage confrontation with Slick Rick, his experiences on the road, and the stories behind some of his most memorable collaborations.From classic hip-hop to unforgettable industry stories, Big Daddy Kane proves exactly why he remains one of the culture’s most respected icons. It’s an essential Drink Champs conversation with a true legend.Make some noise for Big Daddy Kan !!! 💐💐💐-Originally published on 15th, 2018*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it is drink-chance, motherfucker, Happy Hour, make some noise! That's the longer than it's everything. And right now, when we started this show, we said we wanted to honor and, you know, salute living legends. And when we can speak of the guests that we have right now, there's no equivocations. There's no type of doubt at all how legendary this guy is.

He is single-handedly controlled the rap game, put Brooklyn on his back, put New York City on his back, put hip-hop on his back, has represented, has traveled across the world, took pictures with Madonna and, and Naomi Campbell. And he's the only guy I know that got away with a speedoff. He's still the coolest guy in the world When you think a smooth operator You gotta think of him

And I gotta ask him what it makes to be a smooth operator And in case you people don't know Who we are talking about We got big daddy cane In the mother-up Man, we're so excited to have you Listen, I don't know Because I pulled up some old lyrics

And I thought you was a darned hurry-on guy So I got darned hurry-on But we also know that you You know nobody got you red wine That's your thing That's your thing right there? We need to pop that poplar. Yeah, exactly.

So once I pulled it out, I thought. We got it like it's a twist off. We got you two, you know what I'm saying? Okay, you're not a twist off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What made you switch on to Red Wine? Well, honestly, I was messing with the Remy, you know? I mean, you know, all that sugar from that.

He was putting too much weight on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A cognac. Yeah, yeah, I was doing that Remy, like, hard. Like, me and my dude, like, we, like, knocked down, like, maybe, like, two-fifths a night. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I have it. Original drink champs. Listen, the whole time we've been on drink champs, we're on a hundred and something episodes. We've never popped a bottle of dawn. I'm popping it in the commemoration to you, my brother, for a motherfucking big daddy king. I'm popping a bottle of dawn.

This is an old bottle, too. Look at that. We're going to do it in slow-mo? Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. You go, go ahead. I think we need to, you have such a long career. Yes. I want to take it from the beginning,

like, what inspired you to get just to start spitting, period? You know, honestly, it was something that I got into at a young age because of an older cousin I looked up to, you know? I mean, it was so, it was that type of thing.

I got me. You got an opener? Yeah, yeah. Oh. It was something, you know, my older cousin was doing. Right. So, you know, I just did it really

just to be like him. And he told me, be like, you know, you're too young. Was he making records? Nah, no, just him and two of his boys around the way. You know, at Best I, you know, they was like a little rap group, a three-man rack room. And he told me I was too young, like, nah, you know, when you get older. So then from that point, my mission became to be better than the other two dudes down with him.

So I started off writing battle rhymes, you feel me? And that's what I was doing. And then when I felt I had it right, I went and battled the two dudes down with him, beat them. You were much older than you as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were much older than. At the time. I battled them and beat them and asked them, can I beat down now, you know? I don't know, because I got notes and shit, nigga.

Yeah, I got notes. Okay, so you battle them. Now you're just doing it on the block. You're just spitting as a hobby, I'm assuming. Yeah, pretty much, yeah, pretty much, yeah. So how is it that you get to where you become Big Daddy Kane? Is there a persona before Big Daddy Kane? Did you have another name where you were, did you?

That's a hard. name, you know, Big Daddy Kane. But I'm certain that you went through a couple names, maybe. Well, before Big Daddy Kane, it was just MC Kane. It was just MC Kane. MC Kane. All right, so now look, I was speaking to my good brother, Fat Joe today. So Fat Joe calls me, and I'm mad hype.

He's like, yo, I said, yo, I got, I got a cane on today. So he said, Budweiser Super Fest. Budwis, he said he demanded that I asked you this question. Budweiser Superfest, Biggie and Tupac. actually came out. The only time that people, the footage of Biggie and Tupac, this is that famous record?

Yeah, actually performing. Where Brooklyn at? Where that one? You know what Bad Joe told me? That wasn't even they set. They were coming out with King. No, yeah. That was my set.

And Joe was next up to rhyme when they gave me to wrap it up. Like you got five minutes. So I wasn't able to even bring Joe on. But Joe standing with the mic ready. You know, and they gave me to wrap it up. Joe still's like, man, if I would have gone to say he's that day, Norrie, but he's still upset.

If I had five more minutes, he would have been on there. Real talk, you know? That's what you would dig, man. Let us know the first time you met Jay-Z. The first time I met Jay-Z, it was back in, I want to say 88 maybe. Ooh. There was, you know, like in the early 80s, or mid-80s, like, you know, my name was popping in Brooklyn for battling people.

Of course. But there was one dude who named was bigger than mine. This guy named Jazz. Jazz up? Yeah. Okay, cool. Like, he was more popping, and then to top it off, to make matters worse, dude around the corner from me, Fresh Gordon,

that had a Gordy Groove record. Fresh Gordon did a mixtape with jazz, and I'm living around the corner for him. So I'm like, you know, you're going to get a mossy cat when I'm right here? Now, you're from Fort Green or no? No, no, no, no. I'm from Louis Avenue, two blocks from Roosevelt Projects. Okay, cool.

that side. So I'm like, you know, you go get the Marcy Cat instead of a dude right around the corner. So now I'm really pissed. I'm like, me and this jazz dude are going to have to battle. We're going to have to battle. And you don't have a Wyat and Sophia none of that out at this time. No, no, no, not. This is like neither one of us had deals. Neither one of us had deals. And it just never happened. Like, I tried to, you know, find a jazz dude. It never happened. Right. Then here, I am, I do have records out. And I get a call. from the shirt kings. And they say,

yo, we want you to do a mixtape at Gordy Cribb with jazz. And I'm like, well, if it's a battle, yeah. I mean, I'm making records now, but that shit still was eating me up, you know? So you say it back then

battling was like more important to even getting on a record with a person, like actually battling the MC? Well, I mean, you know, the picture of the person was great too. But like I said, this was something personal. I mean, I love jazz now.

I have a lot of respect for him, you know. But I mean, yeah, this was something personal there. You know, so it was like, yeah, we can do it if we battle. Okay. And then when I get there, Gordia Crib, you know, he's like, nah, nah, no, listen. You know, jazz ain't with EMI no more. So we just wanted to, you know, like, do something. You know, you all right, you know, say.

Where he can, you know, really shine and whatnot. You know, we get to probably a new deal. Right. So I was like, all right, cool. Okay. And then Jazz asked me, yo, can my man rhyme on it? Right. And I'm like, you know, I don't care.

This is a bit blib-d-bl-d-d-d-d-d-l. So we did to join me, Jazz, and Jay-Z. And then afterwards, dude from the Shirt King, he was like, yo, you think maybe you can take jazz up to Colchilling and maybe try to get him a deal, you know, something? Cochill is the record label for your young boys. Go ahead and continue. So I told him, yo, I mean, to be honest with you,

I kind of like the skinny light skin, nigga, better. You know? Talking about Jay Z. Talking about Jay Z. And, you know, from that point, you know, me and Jay got hooked up, and, like, I was trying, you know, I tried my artist, you know, to get him, you know, a deal with several different labels, you know. Just things just didn't work out, but lucky dude was smart enough to, you know,

figure out a way to do it on his own, you know. Yeah. But let me just interject for one second. Big Daddy Kane is the first guest that came with their own corks school. Goddiff. Big some drink champs shit. That's what you know you did the class he got, man. Listen, you wouldn't expect anything less.

Yeah, I wouldn't. Listen, in my mind he was going to drink Don Perry on, so I still got two bottles of Don Perry on just in case you want to reminisce. What is, what is, what is, um, I'll give back to the Jay Z dig later, but, okay, you wrote the vapors, correct? Yeah, for Bismarkey. Hey, okay, come on, guys.

We need everybody to shut the hell up, please. So look. prior to you having your own records. Is it? Yeah. Because that's how I heard. I heard that that's how you kind of got on. Like you was writing for Biz and Roxanne Chante.

But was Biz, like the first record that you wrote for that blew up? Was it the vapidst? You got the vapeas. It was the vapeas. It was, now, first was some of, um, some of, um, nobody beats the biz. Yeah. Yeah.

Classic. Yeah. Nobody beats the biz. Like, Biz came to me. He was like, you know, you know, I got this, he told me he's doing the thing, like using the Wiz song,

and he got this flowed. He was like, Azzyga, zig, zika, zika, zika, zika, zika, you know, he was like, you know, let it flow like that. And, you know, just put something together. So that was the first thing.

And you knew that? You knew you could think, like, somebody else? Like, because that's what essentially... Well, I mean, I was pretty much around biz most of the time. Oh. You know what I knew? Like, you're already juice crew?

Like, you're already juice crewed this time? Nah, nah, nah. Biz, you know, he was juice crude, but not me. Right. You know. So how'd you meet Biz? I met Biz, um, through to see a cat in Long Island. This dude in Long Island named Wayne was dating my cousin, Nikki.

And whenever he'd be around, he'd always be telling me about this dude named Biz Mark E.D. Um, oh, Biz Mark E.D. this. Biz Mark E.D. that, you know, such, such, such. So one day he came, like, because my grandmother lived right across the street for the Albee Square Mall. I got my first girlfriends for Alby Square Mall. throwing that out there. All right.

What's up? In the basement? Yeah. I'm in there. There you go. We up with the frames too. A bunch of four green niggas took me there.

Oh, okay. There you go. We're going to Troy Outlaw. My people from Farragate. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. You got to mention that. Got to do that.

Yeah. But I mean, you know, this time, you know, he's like, yo, my man, business is in the mall. Yo, he was just beatboxing and two and all this his stuff. I'm not here in the mall right now. So I'm like, let me meet him.

But I'm like, I need you understand something. ass up. From now on you go to this Biz Marky D dude and you tell them about MC Kane. Right, right. So we went over there, I asked Biz the battle. We battled and after the battle, Biz was like, yo, you dope

man, you should get down with me. If you get down with me, I promise you, man, we're going to make a record one day, man. And Biz is big at this time or he's just locally big? No, matter of fact, Biz wasn't even down to you screw then. Yeah, he was actually just

rocking with the Mike and Dave Katz doing parties and like all of them, BX and Long Island. Yeah. Wow. So now let's take me in the mind frame of the vapist. There's somebody shit on you and you wanted to just get them back in the music. I had nothing to do that. All that was Bids out there.

Oh, were? The whole thing was Bizz out there. Like, Bizz was like, yo. So you wrote it with him in mind, like when you were writing it? No, he came with the, like, that outlaw. Bizz told me, yo, remember you was telling me that story about, you know, your family member? whoop-de-woo, you should write about that. You know?

And he was like, and talked to, um, cool V, talk to Swan, you know, like, like,

you know, I just talk with them. And, you know, they told me different stories about, you know, Cassie tried to play them and sweating them now. All right.

You know. So who came with the actual word, vapist? Bizz. Like, and it came up, uh, one day in the Albi Square Mall.

I can play biz in the movie, right? Keep it real. Nah, I wouldn't do you. I was doing a juice cool movie. I was like, yo, I play this.

I think I could do biz. I don't know why. But real talk, on another note, though, I think that you are a hell of an actor. No, real talk, you get a great job and paid for. Let's get a drink gone.

Now, what is this? What kind of red wine is this? It describes it. It's some sexy shit. Oh, it's called Cleo. It's a Spanish red. It's, um, it's, um, I believe 70% Montessrelle,

which is a Spanish grape. And 70% Spanish cab. Very sophisticated. Spanish cat? I mean, there's 30%, excuse me, 30% Spanish cat? Cab. Cabin.

Oh, I'm like, damn. Look, damn. We got Tybalo, man, man, man, man. We got some cash. Chinese cats. So, all right, you guys, you write the vapor, because the song blows up. Let me ask your question,

even before I go into depth with that. How come business looked at like a real MC, and Drake isn't? I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like, here's my thing. which I've always tried to explain. It's like, you know, once you cross that line, you sign that paper, you know,

you cross that line. What you mean? Well, I mean, it's like, you know, on the street, you're an MC. But once you sign that paper, you stop making records, you're an artist. You know, so it's really where you want to go with it. You know?

I mean, with me, I've always tried to walk a fine line and do a little bit of both. As an artist, I try to make music for men and women, you know, touch your R&B and keep the ear of hood. good shit as well, but also spit Battlecats and do real MC shit. I always try to walk that fine line.

R-A-W. I mean, it's like, for someone like Biz, Biz is an artist who makes, you know, some of the most funniest records that make you enjoy life. You know, so, I mean, with Drake doing the same thing, and if he does have cats writing for him, I have no problem with that. I mean, you know, I think that makes him a great artist.

Because I don't look at biz, no less than the artist. I don't look at EZE. EZE actually said on the record. He said, Ice Q writes the rhymes that I say. And for some reason, it didn't bother me. And Dre. Dre never wrote his rhymes. I found out.

I was even a dope one who puff with arms. I don't write rhymes. I write checks. Yeah. Yeah. So how come these people don't tick off the average fan, but Drake does? You think it's because Drake is so high.

At the level, like you, you got the experience to be that the only guy at one point. Do you think that's the reason why Drake is receiving so much to lap? No, probably because he's a sex symbol. Mm-hmm. You was the sex symbol, too. That's my point. God damn. God damn.

You know what the dude can imagine you're knocking his chick down? You're not going to be friends too long, you know? You made it hard for them light-skinned niggins out there. Let's make sure noise. I'm like, show you light-skinned people down. But did Biz ever say like, I'm the LSMC? Did he ever, like, was that ever his thing that he put out there? Nah, I mean, he may have said it like, you know, rhyming off the dome.

Right, right. You know, but, I mean, you know. Because I think that might be the difference between a dude that considers himself an MC, a battle MC, versus just being a good overall artist. Some of them are going to put themselves out there that way. Yeah, I mean, you have a lot of casts out here that's making amazing music that I think are great artists. And, I mean, you know, I don't think that they should be looked down.

upon because, you know, they have writers. But at the same time, if that's your thing, then I don't think that you should be considering yourself a real MC. You know, take the time of rapper. Ain't nothing wrong with that. You know?

That's real. That's real. Okay, so now you can be talked about the vapors. So now, okay. So after the vapors come out, right? Are people checking for you now because they know Is it word of mouth that they know you woke this record?

So is that like that? Not really. I mean, I think like down the line, people, you know, you know, found out that I was writing, you know, for biz and some of the stuff for Shantay. You know, that came like down the line. And those records took off immediately when they came out? Yeah, yeah.

You got great, brits. Yeah. Yeah, they date. I can make the start off. Come on, one of your old niggas tell me. Well, can you feel it? Nothing can say. Yeah, let me tell you.

We was in the mall, walking around the mall. This here bad chick that I had been trying to, you know, get at for a long time in high school. Yeah. Okay. That type of thing. And biz, you know how silly biz is he behind her just walking around, just making up stuff. Like, you know, like, you know, like Superman Joe's overscar scraper. This girl here, she caught the favors.

He just kept saying stuff like that for her. And I'm like, what the hell is you talking about? She caught the favors. He just kept saying it, you know, and that's when he started and then told me a good joke show. Can you feel it? Nothing can save you because this is the season. Okay, come on here.

Come on, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the DJ. You're a DJ? No, I know the record. I know the record. Oh, yeah, all right. We're going to go through some cane wines today, God damn it. So now, all right.

So when was the actual move where you actually felt like, okay, I'm making progress to getting on? Like, because you just said that people didn't really take notice that you writing the records. It was, it all, let me see, what was it? Oh, it began when nobody beats the biz. Nobody beats the biz. Which was before the vapors, actually.

The day the biz bought the beat. he was going on I think to another record store to get the Steve Miller band part for it So he asked me to what I'm like yeah, I got a test today man I can't you know for you know for you know, you know so He went on and on walking to the store and I went to school but after school I took the train to Molly Fairb in Queens and when I got here huh was it Queens bridge Marley Grid? Astoria story okay yeah he's blown up yeah

When I got there, Biz wasn't there yet. So, you know, with Marley, he, like, cracked the door with the chain on it and was, you know, yo, Biz ain't here.

I'm like, well, I was supposed to meet him here. And he's like, he ain't here. I'm like, you know, I rode the train all the way from Brooklyn. Did you know who

Marley Mar was at the time or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I had been there before on with the two-scra. But he was like, your biz ain't here. I don't know what to tell you,

money. No doubt. I'm like, look, these are the rhymes he's supposed to say today. just let him know I came through. Then he was like, you're writing big stuff?

Like, I wrote that, you know. He took the chain off and was like, you know, how does go? You know, and I was like spitting a little bit up. He was like, I think he asked me, did I write, make the music? I was like, nah. And he was like, yo, come on there, come on in.

And he invited me in. And then, like, asked me, do I rhyme to? I was like, you know, I spit something for him. And he was like, yo, let's work on something. Wow. Yeah. And what's the first record that you worked on him on? I'll take you there.

I'll take you there Go on, girl Yeah, yeah God damn Getting chills through my body God damn Hold on, god damn My notes is going down

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just so this is um 87 no no I don't give me like 86 or 87 I can't remember when nobody beast the bitch came out I want to say 87 though I want to say 87 so it's not even the height yet of juice crew like what they was doing I mean it yeah yeah it was pretty much good because you know I mean we talk about the time of um this is during um uh roxan's revenge oh okay um the bridge it's a demo you know wow so now okay so you make that record with molly now what is the first record that you felt like wow i kind of made it somewhere raw raw r a w terrorist here to bring troubles

come on come on paul where you where you at come on jane talking about is your baby artist Let's go. I know all cane lyrics. Let's go, baby. You want to battle? We're going to let's sit battle right now. I know I'm going to win. So, Raw. Let's take me, take me to that time frame. Well, I mean, it's 87. I'm fresh off the joint with beers that just rhyming with beers. But yes, yes, y'all, too. What club is popping in? The Lime Light? Nah. Quarter's rooftop. Union Square. Ooh. Go ahead, King. Yeah.

Go ahead. I mean, it was like, you know, we was fresh off that just rhymed with biz where, like, you know, I got a song out, and, you know, I'm thinking that, you know, oh, yeah, it's on now, because I got this just rhymed with biz joint with biz, but since Biz started the song off, everybody thought it was Biz record. So promoters is booking beers, like, you know, like, yeah, he'll probably bring new dude with him. Right. So I got a song that they're playing, you know, on a rap attack and on Red Alert,

but nobody's booking me. I'm home broke as hell. Right. You know, like, I mean, listen to my joint on the radio and then go, walk 13 blocks to go steal Mrs. Paul Fish Decks, because I ain't got nothing. You know what I mean? So that's how it was, and I'm begging fly tired, you know,

ran cultural records, can I do a song by myself? Can I just do something with just me? He's like, it's not time. You need to let this record marinate for a while. Then finally, I guess he got tired of me getting on his nerves. And, yeah, I went in, like, Marley. I was like, yo, my man just gave me this here, this Bobby Bird joint.

And I found these his... Bobby Murder? Oh, I was about to say, okay. That's all the drums. I'm curled. I'm curled. Yeah. My man just gave me to see a Bobby Bird joint, and I found these here,

crazy horns from off the Black Caesar soundtrack, you know. And, you know, we put the joint together, and that was that. Ooh. Oh, I got to get my notes, but they don't want to make me great. They don't want to make me great right now. Kaye got me, like, the goosebumps and all that. This is real shit, man. Alright, so

So not a juice crew Because you just touch on the juice crew Like you, right? Now Let's get even depth deeper That's symphony session How did that Like how did that go down?

There was The night I did raw I took G rap to the studio with me And how'd be no G rap I just can't say it like that Just through the Jew school I just knew He was like the two lyrics

No Well I believe G may have had demo. It's a demo. Yeah. But it was like we was the two... It's about CooG rap, right? We were the two lyrical dudes in the crew

waiting to get our shine because everybody else was popping except us. You did? So we're waiting to really get our shine. So are they looking at you like the two lyrical dudes? Is that the way y'all being looked at at the time? You also not record Craig G and Master Ace, correct? Yeah.

Okay, continue. So it's like, you know, when I had Divera, Marley brought the beat back and me and G just did a little freestyle off of it. And Molly played it. And a lot of people was demanding like, yo, play the raw version with Kane and G on it. You know? So, Molly was like... Wait, wait, wait, come on.

Sorry. You said it was just first U and G on symphony? Yeah. Well, because, like, basically we round on raw off the beat together. And Molly played it after Raw came out. So people were requesting it, thinking it was a remix. Molly played it for a while, but then he stashed it and was like, you know, look, I need you and G to do the same thing,

but for my album. So it's really supposed to just be a song with me and G. Right. Then eventually, I guess when Marley was making the track of something, Craig heard it, and I guess told Marley he wanted it in, and Molly came to me, and I was like, you know, well, you know, I like, you know, I like, you know, I like, Craig, my duel, yeah, absolutely.

So then it was me, G., and Craig. But then the day we was filming the pictures for Molly album cover, after we got through, we went to my dad, Molly Creeb right after the photo session. And he was like, you know, this is my new artist, Master Ace. And, you know... That's Ace from Brooklyn, correct?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Brown's from okay. Yeah. He's like, you want to put him on the song. And I'm like, you know, looking at Ace, you know, I mean, I love Ace, but like Ace is to wear these big glasses, right? So, me and G, like, we're sitting there, like... He wasn't convinced.

Yo, like, dude, nah. I'm like, yo, let's say we're going to get and pizza and get the fuck up out of it, man. So that was the plan. But I guess we took too long and Ace got a chance to start spitting. And when he's guilty, he spit his verse, you know,

I was like, yo, glass is kind of nice, man, like I'm kind of feeling, dude, you know? So then, then afterwards, um, Craig spit his verse. You know, and then G came over to me, you know, that G-Rab list, you know.

shit glasses for his money a little bit done cranged you know so it was like you know we was like

yeah yeah we're messing with dude we dig and dude yeah all right let's do this right so we did it and then but then GRAP went

and he said like I don't know is this like maybe you can tell me is this like a Queens thing because like he had like about 150 bars man yeah I mean like

dude rub and not be able to count this is too whichever yeah Yeah, two-inch, oh, goddad. We talked about the rail. You have 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And dude ran the reel off. No, no, I'm dead serious. I'm not joking. He ran the real off. So I'm like, so I'm not going there. You know? So, yeah, so she had to cut his rhyme. Right.

You know, just so I can even fit my verse on. Right. Now, what was the problem with you and Rakim? What was, what was the, it was a... You know, honestly, to this day, I would love to know. Right. You know, for sure. No, because I mean, you know, I never had a problem, you know, with Raq Kim.

And, you know, me and Eric B. was like this. Right. You know? When I bought my first house, Eric B. had a set of keys before I did. Because I was in L.A. filming something. Wow. You know, so, I mean, me and Eric was cool. Right.

I guess it was the type of thing where people just wanted to know who was better. So they would push to try to get us to better. Well, they're trying to compare you guys styles, together, like, because y'all both laid back and lyrical? I think it's really a lyrical thing. Yeah. Like, I think Cain is lyrical.

I think Rai's lyrical, but who's better? Right. You know, that type of thing. Right. You know, which is, which to me is hip-hop. Right. You know, so, you know, I can understand them wanting to see that. Get Bell, Pure Fiber Internet with Crave Netflix and Disney Plus.

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What do you think of things like that? I mean, I mean, it's, my thing is like this here. Mm-hmm. You keep it on record. It's hip-hop. You know, you take it off record. Now you turn it it into a contact sport, you know? They can't ever have to slay somebody on the mic?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Who you had to slay, came? Let's go it out there. On the mic or off the mic? No, on the mic, baby. Come on, where you're going? I mean, but I'm saying. I'm saying, that's my contact board.

I battled, you know, that was my thing, battling. Right. So, I mean, there's a whole bunch of rappers I battled. I mean, is that your question? Are you asking me, like somebody? No, I'm talking about on wax. Like, who did you slay in? Oh, no, no.

No, I never had. Okay. You didn't have time for that? Nobody wanted me to them. I mean, nobody wanted it to them. So now, now this Slick Rick thing. Who brought this up? Was this EPD?

Wow. Who was it? I think it was. Was EPM D or Jermaine DePree? It was one of them. They said, Slick Rick... Oh, the bus thing? Yeah, the bus.

That y'all have beef and Slick pulled out of the gun and try to shoot you. Is this true? I'm saying, y'all my heroes, man. So I just got to act straight up. it may be a little truth to that yeah yeah listen

this is the crazy thing listen right right now if little you know curly head and um uncle such and such

have beef we all know about it but back then we didn't have Instagram we didn't have Twitter so it was all word of mouth

so when I'm hearing this and I forget who called me and they was like man yeah there's an EPMD episode and it was like yeah you missed a whole bunch of

things like and I was like word and I had never knew I had never heard you go at Slick Rick No you nobody went at nobody It wasn't nothing like that So let's just keep it clear so back of the days y'all had beep But it was not on record Yeah it was some little mild stuff

You know okay That the gun came into play Yeah it was more or less I guess about The tour A issue about the tour The LL Nitro tour You know

Let's talk about location Nah, it's nothing Because it's all the news, man What was the problem over? What was the problem over? The problem was over the same thing That EPMD was talking about When y'all had them here

About the order of the show Oh yeah, because he was tearing shit down Yeah, I see you before Let me tell you something about King I know I'm changing the subject But niggas don't want to go on at the King, son niggas don't want to come on at the ain't no high step but I mean

niggas don't want to come on at that In all honesty, let me just say this here Slick Rick had an amazing show and also he had the club bangers Mona Lisa children's stories he had an amazing show and EPMD

I mean it was like the energy they brought on stage was phenomenal you know what I mean like these dudes just had like crazy energy you know what I said for them to like not be doing a lot of movement. You know, they had a, both of these artists had phenomenal shows.

And Kane coming out with school and scrap. And you're turning around. And you know what the dances. You do what you're hitting the wall. You're doing all that. Like, Kane, you give them a show. Keep in real. Oh, no, no, no.

You'll get him a show. But, I mean, you know, I mean, my, I came from a different perspective. I think me and you had this conversation over in London before. Like I was saying, like, I'll tell you that, like, you know, Dougie Fresh came to one of my shows. and, you know, he saw me perform and, like, we smashed it. This was at The World.

Okay. Down to downtown? Uh-huh. We did a show, and Dougie saw me smash it. And I'm asking, I'm like, what you think? And, you know, Doug is, you know, he's, you know, I mean, you know, it was all right, hob, you know, but, you know, I thought that you cut up.

She's the girl's greatest entertainer. Yeah, but I mean, nah, but it's like, after I know I just rocked it, I'm in my mind, I'm like, you know, old-school ass niggas nigger just hate it. That's what's up, Doug That's what's up But then he was like Yo, won't you come by the crib

You know, let me show you something So we go by, you know, his crib And he pull out these on Back down, I think it might have been Beta Max I'm not even sure what he was rocking in But videos of Earth Win and Fire Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd You know, he's studying that

No, he's showing me what he studied Oh, okay And explaining how he, you know, transformed that into hip hop You know, to make you work at a hip-hop show. And I'm like, mm. So that next morning I woke up and bought me James Brown, video, Marvin Gaye, and Barry White.

Those are the first three I brought up with. VHS you're talking about. Beta Max is also, yeah. I think this is before VHS here. Okay. And, you know, yeah, and I start, you know, studying them and figuring out different things to do on stage. So, you see, my mindset wasn't about how to make the dope hip-hop show.

My mindset was about how to make a dope show. Show, right. And make hip hop accepted. Now, I got another question to ask. Who's flat top ruled in 89? Come on, come on. Boy, okay. Yo, let me think so.

How much you should pay your barber? Because he had your shit right. Your shit was, it was, it was, it was, how you call it in Spanish, Perfectum. Well, you know, it was like, you know, I had a barbaw, but then also school was nice with the clippers too, so before we go on stage, I can always get, you know what I mean? Did you have a flat top back then? Come on, man.

I'm not a flat top, but my shit ain't come like Key. My shit is good Chinese hair. My shit was not like Keynes. My shit goes, bloke. I think I had printed the Gumby because my barber was just so fucked up. You had the Gumby too? I had a Gumby too. I had that.

I had a qualmate, polka, everything. I was a real hip-hop kid, you know what I mean? So, you think you perfected the flat top? I think... I think I may have made it popular by talking about it, you know, because, I mean, it was something that I asked for from seeing Larry Blackman from Cameo.

So I wasn't the first to have it, you know? And kid from kid and play, his joint was always bigger than mind. You know, but I think it was just a... a matter of me always talking about it, you know what I'm saying? Like really putting a brand to it, you know what I'm saying? No, but you were like the hood,

let me say this, you were like the hood, like, you represented the hood. Like, when you were doing it, like people from the hood followed what you did. So that's what I'm saying. Like, the hood controls the world. So we didn't see the flats out from Cameo.

Do you think you don't think you just... Well, for the generation. You're talking about for that generation. Yeah, I didn't watch cameo on them, niggas. Like, not really like that. They, you know, y'all was my camera. No, I got you. You know what I got you?

So now, um, what was your experience, like, working with cold chilling in those days? The cold chilling was like, like, death jam. Def Jail, yeah, for sure. Like, death row or whatever. Like, you guys was like the first, like, hood label that it was ran by hood people. So how was that experience? I mean, it was beautiful. I mean, you know,

Def Jam, without a doubt, is probably the greatest hip-hop label ever. But Cold Chilling was unique because the artist was a crew. You see what I'm saying? Def Jam had a bunch of hip-hop artists. Co-Chillin had the juice crew. The artists were a crew. You see what I'm saying? And it operated that way.

And with each one, giving off their different forms of artistry. You know, you had me on the lyrical stuff and the smooth player stuff. You had G-Rap on the gangster stuff, biz on the comedies, Shantay on the sassy mouth, disrespecting everybody. You know, Shand is the wild child, the wild cowboy. You know, it was like that Craig G. You know, the baby come up, dude, you know. And all of y'all was single artist and then became the Jewish group, correct?

As opposed to like Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang was all. No, you're on the crew. No, we were brought in as a, like, you know, as a member of the juice crew. You know, because, I mean, you know, this was, you know, the juice crew is, you know, make no mistake. This is Mr. Magic thing. You know, it wasn't Shan or Shantay thing. It wasn't Marley or Flytide thing. This is Mr. Magic thing, you know.

So, I mean, you know. I think people really know that like that. No, he said that on his hat-tron. Shantae is and will forever be, you know, the queen of the juice crew. The one, she is the one who made it popular. Right. Because she was the first time to do it on wax. Who did you guys go with?

I wouldn't school her sister fasting. Oh, okay, I know. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. But yeah, she's the one who put it on wax, you know what I'm saying, where we all can eat and make money off of it. But, you know, I mean, a lot of people don't know. So she was the first one to, like, like, really rapid.

But she's the one who made the juice crew blow. Right, okay. So Shanty would forever be the queen of the juice crew. But prior to Shantay, and a lot of people don't notice, Jilil from Houdini, Mighty Mike C. from the Fairless Four, Melly Mel, Waterbed Kev. These are all members of the juice crew that was before her. Yeah, I didn't know that.

You know what I'm saying? Because this was magic crew, but Dave was a part of his team with radio. Right. You know, Shantay started a whole new chapter of the juice crew as artists. Hold on. Let me interrupt for a second. You know, we really got to give it up to the companies that support Drink Champs. So if you're in the Drink Champs Army, make sure you support the companies we talk about, the advertisers, because without them, we wouldn't be here.

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invented smooth rap? Like rap that's just smooth. Cool as a cucumber? I would say who does smooth rap? I can't say I invented it, but I damn sure made it right. Okay, got that makes a noise with Daddy K, I think I think you have been a smooth rap

And I think one of the people who are still doing it and perfect this smooth rap is Jay-Z. And he's direct. Yeah, I think he's the descendant of Big Daddy King. For sure. You got Madonna on this list? Yeah, I got Madonna, God damn it. Yeah, I got one.

You want to go to that right now? I want to hear that story. First of up, I got pictures with, is that Madonna? You got pictures. Is that Madonna and Naomi Campbell? Mm-hmm. For real? With the legs, the ankle?

Yeah. Do you want to pull them up? I mean, that's on you. Just tell us what a job, how did you end up? Well, we know how it ended up, but you ended up in her book. Wait, really, no. The photo shoot. Let's go to, what was the photo shoot like, brother?

That was Madonna and Naomi Campbell. God, I mean, the photo shoot was fun. You know what I mean? Hold on, God. Oh, my God. Hold on, God. Hold on, God. Everybody see that?

For people on on Vote TV? Hold on. I got one more somewhere. This is Madonna? That poster. Jeez. Go ahead, go ahead, get, Kay. Come about it. No, the photo shoot was live.

I mean, you know, it was like, you know, music playing food out and stuff. What was this for playtime? No, it was for her book. Her book called Sex. Oh, so it was for her book? Yeah. Oh, Madonna. Yeah, it was a Madonna.

You're the first thing to knock down Madonna. Give me high five. Well, listen. Oh, hold, hold, hold, hold. Hold, oh, no, no. No, no. You got to give it. No, no, no, me and Madonna never had sex.

We just took nude photos. Oh, Dad, so we're on the record now. I could have sworn that they got. No, no, no, we just took nude photos. That's all. You sure? I'm probably, I think I'd remember. That's a little good.

Yeah. And they only neither? Because you locked down a lot of things, King. They came, man. Well, them two, not on the list, man. They're not on the list. I mean, you know, don't get me wrong. Madonna, you know, she's a beautiful young lady.

And more importantly, she was mad cool. Right. Because you see, the way we met, that's what the whole, you know, because we met under different circumstances, you know, this wasn't about no sexy, you know, freaky stuff, you know, like the way we met was, uh, me, me, uh, me, was visiting hospitals to see, um,

yeah, Column Bad, Column Bad, yeah, so, so you see where this is going. Yeah. So we visit in hospitals,

um, with kids, um, like this, you know, sick in the hospital going to take pictures of them to sign autographs. And, you know,

these hospitals are like, on the east side of Manhattan and stuff like this. While we did, you know, they knew who Madonna was. They knew who calling me bad was. You know, a lot of kids in the hospital, they didn't really know exactly who I was, you know. Because this was like, you know, upper class, you know,

white children, you know. And Madonna is sitting there like, you know Big Daddy came? Say how to Big Daddy came? He's a famous rapper. Let me hear you say, ain't no. And I'm like, oh, Madonna knew my shit. Yo! You know?

Like, yeah, that was one of the moments for me. And this before I have to you finger popped him. Because clearly... This is before. This is before. Because clearly. And you see I didn't dispute that. Oh, you got that.

Clearly, his speakers is not active. I mean, what about? I mean, what about, I'm going to lie like that, that's not me? Was that her idea? Can you please figure it? Let's keep it real, Kane. Did you smell it? No.

Come on. We all smell it. You did you? You did you, sir? Ah, God. Let me show your hands right there. Smell's my virgin. Make a person.

Let's make a good voice. Let's make your noise with that doing with my daughter. But King, let me just tell you, son. Listen, you got two of the baddest woman, arguably, for two of the best of the both worlds, I would have wore a speedo too, my brother. I'm gonna just throw that out there, because we definitely got the speedo on.

These leopard print and all that. That's my nigga. You, you, ah. You, you, that. What are you thinking right there? Don't you love the way me sneak those air? You know what I'm saying? It's not a good shot, you know what I'm saying?

It's like a shiny stuff. It's more like you're not like a spinball. Turn a swing wall, right? No, you got away with it, my name. Hold on another one. He's shooting real greasy, man. I got enough time, my figure. Let me tell you something, Kaye.

Yo, listen, we all looked up to you in the hood, and we was like, damn. Like, in our mind, I don't, you said you didn't. But in our mind, Niggas is like, yo, you can go bo-walk, you could rap, and you can fuck rich white bitches. Like, this is what... This is what we doing this shit,

but Daddy King! It just cut our eyebrows. So then we started cutting up eyebrows. Well, here's the good inspiration, right? Yes, yeah. Oh, yeah. Let me tell you how much... Oh, yo, Eric, where's that lyric game?

Where that lyric game? Where that lyric game? This is how much... Oh, nixon, took my dog? Oh, okay. Yeah, look. Look, because I... They told me you don't drink.

champagne or you don't drink it, but I just wanted to give you a bottle of Don Perri-on for me. To you. No, I appreciate it, man. Because in my mind, I thought he was going to drink champagne because I just be looking at a Lagoon. It ain't no half stepping when you're in the ring. You're in the ring. And I just say, in my mind, when they fed your water, it was champagne.

In my mind. Well, I mean, for the money in the record, I do drink champagne. It's just that I prefer wine, but I do drink champagne. Okay, all right, cool. Well, you know, listen, Kane, I just got to throw this out there. Every guest that we ever had did a shot of something, right? So, would you like to enjoy it on one shot? One shot or something.

This is what I recommend. This is called Tiger Ball. That's semi-e herbal. Yeah, it's semi-erbal. This is no sugar, just in case. I don't know. The right way to sell it out. No, I'm just saying.

Like, you know, some people would worry about their sugar levels. This is a Chinese herb. It's heavy in ginseng and a lot of something else. Yeah. You take the shot out. Come on, come on, come on. Yeah, this is your turn. What the fuck I look like the ginseng?

Yes, you do. Come on. Let's do it. This is Big Daddy Kane. And he's been hyped all fucking weak. Oh, we've been all both been hyped. Because, you know, Kane, there's no outlet for us. I mean, hold on.

I mean, hold on. I get the size of these fucking shot glasses. Come on. We don't, come on. We got a, we got a, yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. There we go. There we go.

Okay, yeah. Okay, okay. All right, give one more. So, Kay, you know, when we, me and my partner, we sat here and we said, you know, we had had a radio show prior to that. But on this radio show, we were just playing around, we was bullshit. But we just sat back and said, there isn't an outlet for our people, our older statesmen, or people who put in this work, our people who did what they had to do,

and to sit down and be saluted. So we want you to know that this is what we're doing tonight. Big Daddy came, first off, you raised me in case you ain't know it or not. You raised me. I'm sure you raised half of these motherfuckers in their room. And if you didn't raise these guys in your room, their parents fuck to your music. And that's why they're here right now.

So you raised them indefinitely, indefinitely. Indirectly. Indirectly. Because I just want to say Big Daddy Kane, you should be saluted every day of the motherfucking year. You're a Virgo. We're going to get into that later, September 10th, correct? Yes, sir.

That date should be Big Daddy Kane fucking holiday. Just do whatever the fuck. you want to do on that day you can be able to piss on your boss feet and just and just come to fucking work and just do whatever the fuck you got to do but i don't know if you know this is how we do kane this is i-a-a this is tiger bone this is drink champs motherfucker and this is to big daddy kane oh it's not good at all oh no it got to burn it's hard but it's smooth go it's smooth of course he would say it's smooth Okay, I'm growing up.

Yes, sir. I'm following you. I'm a kid. How do I become a smooth operator? You know, lots of times I talk to the youth about their career, and it's like, I always try to tell cats, you know, that, you got to give your fans you. You cannot follow the trend, you know, because trends come and go. So when that trend is gone, you're gone Because you was a part of it

There was nothing special about you There was nothing special They made them, you know, try to disassociate you From whatever the hell else was going on You have to be somebody that's unique Give them something original Something where they gravitate to what you do What you represent

You know what I'm saying? That's something I've always thought was important In an artist You know? I mean you got to give them something something special, you know. And I mean, in all honesty, I feel like you've done that. Right.

You know? I don't think, you know, that you will, um, cut out to be the smooth dude, you will cut out to be what you are. Exactly. And you wear it well. Thank you, brother. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for me. Can you make some noise for me?

No. Your twin, you over here, listen, you, you, you wait, you, you're, you're, twin, you come in? Look, listen, I'm, I'm sure you was made of a Big Daddy Kane record. Sure your parents, this is how you got it. This is my man, Twin. He had a fatal accident, but he's good. Not fatal, excuse me, sorry.

Damn, you know Big Daddy came? God damn it. What's good, man. You sell some blood to Big Daddy King. Look, he got us Popper Don Perry on, Twin. He got us Popper Dog, Perry on. Yeah, come get a glass and that's about it. You only get one.

He'll keep you a moving, go. You shout to Tiger Ball, hold on. Big King, take his second shot. Take a shot on that dog. Let's not advance that. that. No, but seriously, I don't know who, like, who really, like, go to movies and, like, really focus

on scenes that deep. But, I mean, you know, when I was watching Paid and Full, I'm watching a lot of the people that had little cameos and little spots in there. And, I mean, like, yo, that scene with you, yo, I mean... I made it all up.

Yeah, but the whole thing is that you stayed focused and you made your presence felt. You know what I'm saying? You didn't just fall back and just be a part of the script. No, no, no, no. You made your presence felt. You know what? You came across on camera, great, man.

Like, yeah, I'd love to see more shit like that, man. Now, speaking of movies, you did the Posse movie. How was that experience? But that was like, that was, that was like when we know, we thought like, damn, Kaine never coming back. Because that was like a Hollywood. Like, that was a all-star cast.

That was a all-star cast. You're looking like, Kane never coming back, like, sort of a look. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. It's like, you know, I enjoy doing it. It was the type of work that I wanted to do because I didn't want to be on the big screen

being a rapper or being a thug because, I mean, you know, you didn't see me do that in a video. It's like, that's the music life, you know what I'm saying? If we act, then let's act. You know what I'm saying? Let me do something out of character. Separate yourself from who you are. Yeah.

So having to, you know, speak in a period voice and, you know, ride horses, you know. I mean, I thought that that was beautiful. I mean, I enjoyed that opportunity. Big ups, much respects to Mario Van people for giving me the shot, you know what I'm saying? But I tell you one thing, though, that shit was a culture shock, like, never before.

What you mean by that? Hollywood? I mean, oh, the set. Oh, the set life. Like, you know, I mean, where you from? Well, Miami. Miami, by way of L.A. Okay, well.

Queens. So just like Brooklyn, you know, what we see on day-to-day basis is cat, rat, dog. Right, right. We come out of ours, that's wildlife for us. You know what I'm saying?

You know, you see a cat and a dog in the daytime, you see the vats come out. That's what we see. You know what I'm saying? Honorable mention to the roaches. That's really, you know, the extent of it. Brother, I'm out there messing with tarantulas.

Scorpions Where y'all filmed this at? Tucson Arizona Oh, I'm in the desert A horror movie in Tucson Arizona It's terrible I get my head cut off

I fuck and I die I'm the black guy I fuck and I die My son Buzzley let kill him I die I'm 10 minutes That's it

I'm out of the movie I'm sorry King I had a movie I had a movie I'm sorry But yeah But Tucson Arizona It's crazy

Woodpeckers Snakes Brough Let me tell you something Somebody asked me one time. Like, you had woodpeckers out there? Woodpecker and the niggas?

My dude, carving on my door every morning 5 a.m. and my dumb ass getting there opening it up thinking somebody knocking. Real talk. Woody woodpecker out there. Real talk. Woodpecker.

On schedule every morning, 5 a. Real talk. Nah, real talk. Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time about, you know, like, I never make, like, no gangster shit, man.

And I was like, you know, because, I mean, I used to. The film, they took them out? No, they took my gangster records. I never, you know, I never did no, you know, no gangster shit, you know what I said? I mean, I spit hard lyrics, but not no gangster shit. I felt like the shit was gangster to me.

No, no, no, it was hardcore, but not gangster. But, I mean, you know, I explained them. I said, well, for one reason, there's a PA girl that worked on the posse said they could pull my card real easy, and let anybody know that that shit ain't true because when we was filming

one day we coming off set my dude like the people they over there like telling us to go like this to walk another way they're whispering and I can't

you know I couldn't understand what they're saying this is going on for a few minutes long story short I couldn't take it anymore I'm just like yo what and they said

Rabler so I just took flight I'm holding ass I'm holding ass now Now listen, I'm running, but I'm a man, Norvie. You feel me? I'm running, but I'm a man.

Yeah, I got the story like this. Here's where it got funky. The PA girl caught up with me and grabbed my wrist, like, you know, save her. And I mean, you know, my dude, you know, yo, I mean, I remember being at a party in Brooklyn where I took a chick and threw her in the speaker while they're shooting inside the club.

Wow. And I'm standing out there. You know what I mean, you know, the gun, That stuff don't bother me. The snake is a different day. Yeah. So when she grabbed my wrist, I started punching the shit out of her. She was slowing me down.

You know what I said? She's slowing me down. So I started punching the shit out of her hand, you know, to get it over off me. Because, like, none. So, yeah, I make, now the gangster stuff, ain't funny. That's how we got to the... Now, because we heard stories that you been with, like, like, Supreme, Magnetic, the...

Support the weekend Supreme from Brooklyn. That's my dude. Yeah. So we always heard those stories, so we always automatically thought it was just you. That's not, you're saying that's not? Never at all? Nah, you have the videos.

I was convinced, okay? You can't take it, take it back now. I mean, I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy, you know? I'm a nice guy. To drink red wine. Yeah, you know. And finger pop Madonna.

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I think we're going to blow that picture up and put it right here in the story. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I said, yo, we're interviewing Kane. Like 50,000 of these bitches came through. And then it was like, and I was debating. I was like, that's not Madonna. I thought you and Madonna had did a separate photo shoot.

I didn't know Naomi Campbell was in it. Naomi Campbell. So how did you not get hard in the photo shoot? Like, I would have been awesome. I'm just saying, I'd have been,

I was just saying. You was, you was already like training. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, at a certain point in your life, you just get an understanding

about certain things and you just, I guess, look at life differently. Yeah, because she got laid straight open. The other one is right there. Like, I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. All the professional I'm like holy moly guacamole I'm just keeping it real king I'm gonna keep it real I mean it's like this you know I'm a Madonna fan you know saying you know borderline physical attraction all them joints you know I remember you know rocking and watching the videos on Friday night videos you know and I and she's a very attractive young lady you know and you know in Naomi Campbell you know she's fine too but I mean you know at some point your life after

you don't did so much you know and you know you know you your mentality get a certain way. You know, sometimes you just come to the realization that, you know, the best pussy you ever had is the pussy you never had. And it's so much more fun just thinking about it. Damn, that's true for talking about. That's shit.

He gave me another Caesar just now. That shit was so over my head and sharp and deep. No, I mean, let me break it down to you. Okay, cool. Have you ever in your life? bagged a fine shit that was

I mean built amazing got it back to the hotel dodo bird yeah whack yeah

you know what I'm saying just whack dodo bird you know like giving you them crazy psychotic looks

or or can't do do doggy style or you know just everything just don't involve

you know what I'm saying you say just don't ruin it no no what I'm trying to say is that but it was more exciting when you was thinking about it.

That's what I'm saying. Don't ruin it by trying to bag it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Exactly. What's your illest grubby story, Kane? Did the bitch wait outside your door with milk? For some reason, I just felt like that just happened. My illus grubes?

A chick just can't wait outside your door with you. Like Pooley Tang. You never seen that? Because Kane, you was dead. I guess my illest one would probably be let me see oh yeah probably the LL tour the same one the nitro tour the NITro tour yeah the nitro tour But on tour with LL he gives out flowers

The roses to pitchers he's cheating By giving out of rose I'm just saying if you ain't giving out rose you're coming out to that You're busy like let the pocket you're in for No no no that's fair game I mean that might have been what messed me up that night Who knows? Okay, all right. Let's talk about it, King.

I mean, no, because, I mean, it was like, Russell Simmons actually introduced me to this chick. And, you know, she came back to the hotel. And me and Russell, and I think, me, Russell and Andre Harel, I believe, was by the bar. And she came in, and L.L. was over there signing autographs. And she went to L. No, I'm not telling this story.

Oh, wait, listen, no. We have 2.5 listeners. Yeah, yeah, we got two and a half listeners. And they're all in his room. Don't worry about it. Come on. Everybody gets an unreleased shit. Everybody gives us, good.

Nah, okay. She went to Elle, you know. Chasing the names. I seen them, they chopping it up. Oh, it's too late now. They chopping it up and whatever. And I got seen Elle like pinch her cheek or something like that. And then she walked over to the bar to me.

Now, my problem with that was. Did you have the can go on? No, my problem was that it's like this here. You're supposed to come meet me at the room. So after L shot you down, you're supposed to go to the elevator. For you come to the bar, that lets me know that you saw me all this goddamn time. You know what I'm saying? And just choosing in front of me.

You know, okay, so it's like, all right, cool. So we get upstairs, you know, we get it popping. And, you know, I'm into what I'm doing. And, you know, I mean, it turned to. one of the type of things where, you know, I, you know, I'm sorry to get my R. Kelly on, you know. It's BB. Let's go. Go in the shower?

Let's go. You pee on the bitch? I mean, it just felt good. You had to go. I got to pee right now, so I know how you don't, my. I think this is the only explanation for the Arkhali. Let's just make some noise appear on a day. I'm assuming she liked it.

I'm assuming she liked it. You know, I mean, it's like, you know, when I was young, man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man, crazy stuff, man. You know, I mean, there's even been situations where, like, several people I had to go back and, you know, not had to, it just felt, just wanted to. You know, I went back and, like, apologized for a lot of crazy stuff I did, you know. Because, you know, I mean, I'm 49 now. I'm married.

God bless you. You know, and I mean, I love my life. I love my family. And, you know, it's like, you know,

I just look at things differently now. Yeah, that's why we're reflecting on old shit. Yeah, you live and you learn. You know, back then, you know,

I was buck wild. Real crazy. You know, back then you knocked some shit down, Kane. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I was a little, nigga. You was the man in 88. I was born in 77. That means, like, roughly, like, I was 9 or 10. Woo.

I was on Ralph McDaniel Day. Day, I see him. I said, damn, man, he had the four-finger wing. Who, the four-finger wing. How did you finger-pop with a four-finger ring back in? It's an expensive finger-pop. I don't think we don't try that, man. Let me tell you something, because finger-popping was, like, in style back then.

Like, niggas ain't even want to, you want to, you want to drive-hump and finger-pop. I'm just saying, because I was, like, 10. I don't know. How old was you, man? What? I was probably, like, 13. In 88? Yeah.

I don't know. Drain, how old were we? How old were we, dad? You was both 12? Well, no, it was the same age. You're only one year younger than me, brother. You're like two years.

Not at all. You're 43. 42. All right, 40. I'll get two years. Okay, cool. All right, goddamn. We lost soundtrack.

What the fuck? Butchrock is called to me? Hold on. Bush Rock wants to talk about finger popping. Yeah, be a little finger popping. Finger popping is still popping. Pick up to Koppone. What the fuck?

No, he, you know, listen, back of the days, composed of finger pop everything. Like, I didn't have a new what you got out of it. Where are you going with this? I'm what I'm saying? Back in the days. This is like 97.

Like, he used to go to the club and just he wants to finger pop, bitch. Like, I never really got. Like, I get it like in a moment, like, I'm finger pop in you right before I fuck, but he'd be finger pop in public. That's probably his name, man. And they'd be like, peace.

And he'd just be showing the whole night. This is winning his finger in his face. Like, look, oh my God. Like, Paul, stay away with me. I'm sorry. A little finger pop, it brings back memories. I'm sorry. All right, damn, I got notes.

Now, hold on, look. Can we go back to the Biggie Tupac coming out on stage with you? Your relationship with Pock. Right. And Big. Like, can you talk about that? Let's go Pock first.

Yeah. Well, I've known Pock since he danced for digital. Right. Like, that's how we first met. when I brought digital... On the road? Yeah, on my Chocolate City tour. And we got cooled in, and he told me that, you know,

he's coming out with his own stuff as a solo artist, and he's, he told me, you know, it's not going to be like this digital stuff. You know, I've got a whole different direction. He spit for me, and, you know, dude was nice. So I've known him since then. Biggie, on the other hand, I never really had a relationship with.

been around each other, I think maybe like twice. But there was several phone calls that we had. I guess certain career decisions that he was making and Mr. C would call with him on the line and we chop it up and he, you know, he told me what's going on. I guess he just asked me, what do I think, you know, my view on it or whatever. So that's really our relationship over the phone. we never really kicked it

you know but um I've always respected both of them admired them as artists and you know just looked at their deaths and sad losses

for hip hop and the world you know during their when they were going you know the rivalry part did you speak to any of like to Pock since you

I spoke to I spoke to Pock but it was brief and it was kind of interrupted by more East Coast, West Coast drama. Because it was like a conversation we started on an airplane,

and by time we got to Def Roe Studio, you know, somebody presented him with some more drama about... Because they was trying to sign you. Wasn't DeFro trying to... Yeah, yeah, this was that time. This was that time. Yeah. All right.

This was that time. You know, we was talking about it. And I guess I was trying to, you know, make him understand, you know, what it was. And it seemed like I was getting through. But then, you know, as soon as we got to the studio, here come cats talking about, yo, Mar Deep and Lauren Hill was just on, I think, MTV, your MTV apps or something like that. They was trying to play you.

They were saying something such and such. And, you know, they fueled it up, write it back up again. And you're in that studio. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Damn, Ken, you got so much goddamn history. Right. We definitely need a Big Daddy Kane day.

All right? September 10th. Let's do it. If we're declaring it on Drake Chaps right now. September 10th, there's Big Daddy Kane Day. You just got to cut your eyebrows. Come outside. If you can pull out the high top, do it.

Pull out the high top. Your barber got to be nice, though. Your barber got to be nice because you can't have it. Can I think of rock a flat top right now on this? All these kids are doing it. Yeah, no. I see it. They ain't doing the cane flat top.

No, some of them are. I mean, I see. They don't call it cane, though. I guess whoever did, I think it's a popular basketball player that they reference it to now. I forget who. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yvonne Shunner.

Yvonne Shepard. Okay, yeah. Okay, yeah. Okay, kids didn't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know that's how I would go. I mean, I have a picture in my house of my pops with one in the 60s.

You know what I'm saying? And I thought that Larry Blackman created. you know I mean so and this is this is our engineer cocaine has I just want to throw that off default in the 80s was cocaine heavy in the 80s um and hip hop in hip hop specifically studio 54 we heard stories um I mean I remember it being like you know um heavy around the hood like in the early 80s matter fact late 70s early 80s I remember because doing coke was like fly back to exactly like it was like it wasn't yeah It was a luxury drug.

Yeah. But I mean, like, the first time I was, like, really around it, around it, it was in the 90s. Like, I had a party, and somebody was doing it at the party, you know. I was the first time I was really around it around it, you know. How they was doing it, there was the party just, whatever, niggas. Why got to sniffing it up? Nah, they asked could they use one of the bedrooms. Mm.

Because you was having mansion parties and shit. Yeah, something like that. But, I mean, you know, I told them, you know, go ahead. But then, you know, what happened was they switched rooms and went into the wrong room. So when I came in there to tell them to leave out of this room, you know, I seen there, they had a little, you know, little shit on the dresser or whatever, you know.

But I'm my first time, like, being around it like that, you know. So what's the best time of hip-hop to came? It was the most fun you ever had while you were. I mean, honestly. Was it the finger pop? I feel like the finger pop. It's got to be that one top three. I'm just saying.

I'm just be honest. I'm just thinking, just feeling like Madonna. He's throwing it out there. No, I mean, honestly, I mean, my best time in hip hop was probably mid to late 80s, you know, because you had like, you know, so many different artists. When nobody really sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same. Well, at least they didn't try to.

You know. And then there was a couple of copacats, but they just all got chipped. It never worked when you copy the style. You had to be created. And then when you go to a party, you know, the most thugged out dudes you know would dance when Go Stets. Come on. Rebel Without a Paws, Top Billing. You know what I'm saying?

Brooklyn's in the house. When those type of songs came on, he danced. Milk is chilling. Yeah. And this is the most, the illest goon in the club. Top villain. That's a good. Shout out to audio too.

And if you understood. I'm a cold man I already did that on my album too with Milk D Sean Brown I mean it's like you know that's so it's like I just love that era of hip hop

because it's like you know prior to that was you know to run DMC Houdini Furious Five you know like that era but you know it's like

I don't think that that era was like as lyrical as the late 80s. And don't get me wrong, Melly Mel,

Kumodee, Grandmaster Kaz, those were lyrical beasts. Right. But, I mean, it was like, it wasn't where, like, radio and fans, like, the hip-hop fans of the, like, was really focused on the lyrics like that,

like they were in the late 80s. Like, we're, like, you know, you whack, we don't even want to listen to you. You know what I'm saying? But how did those guys accept you back then? That was an interesting point that you just brought up. Or you named all the other, the legends who came before.

you, like right now, we're dealing with a time that these young guys are the guys, they're all the guys, they are the, like, they are the chosen ones for now. Right. But they actually look down on my generation. You know what I'm saying? So how was it for you when you was the guy? Was the people prior to you looking down on you guys in your opinion? Well, I mean, you know

Of Mely Mel, yeah, Mel was in the beginning But then he ended up becoming real cool Okay, because of Meli Mel Just seen him again But I mean, you know, it's like, you know With Mel, you got to understand that

And respect it Right, because he feels like He kind of pioneered it I mean, it's not about him feeling that way. He did. It did. You know, I mean, what Hollywood created,

Melly Mell perfected. You know what I'm saying? If there wasn't a Melly Mell, me, you, and everybody else would have been on the mic, you know, come on, you know what I'm saying? Melly Mell perfected MCN. He made it what it is. You know what I'm saying?

He is the architect of Mseeing, Melly Mell. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, you got to understand for him to not, really get his, you know, proper respect and ourselves, of course he won't be bitter, so it's understandable. Big up Mely Mel over here on Drink Chance. We big up Lolle.

We need Mel on Drink Chance. No, no, no. I just see him, it's a mass appeal, and I think they hired Meli Mel to perform for their staff, and it was out, it was crazy for me to, like, to see him, he'd go, and he still, you know,

the hip, the hot, that he still do that and destroys him. And he'll take it to different generations, he'll sing other people records was amazing nah forget that with them tight pants on he still do all that leg cross and stuff

and drop down on the floor hold that that's the realest thing like Mel Mel yeah Mel and he's in shape too he's not gonna fuck out yeah yeah Mel will not get to fuck out but I mean yeah Mel you know you know

but like Mo D I guess MoD thing was pretty much more personal with him at LL so when me and him met you know we broke bread and we was cool and with me and Grand Master Kass It was the type of thing where, you know, I let Cass know that I'm a student to him. That everything I do lyrically I owe to him. You know what I mean?

I think Cass gets enough recognition, actually, to be honest with you. Cass is incredible. Like, I mean, when, okay, yeah, and then go back to one of the first questions you asked me, Tony T. When I was first started, my name was Tony T. Like, I thought I was killing it. I had something like, I'm the T-O-N-Y, the T-E-E. T-E. T-O-N-Y.

Your hands can't hit with your eyes can't see. I know the tricks and I know the trades and I'm sharp as a motherfucking razor blade. I thought I was killing it. And then I, my man played this joint for me and Kaz is on there talking about Grandmaster Kaz, captain of the four. Another nigger couldn't touch me if he had a rhyme store. Even if he had a plant manufacturing rhymes, he couldn't make them no better than I make mine. I'm like, you know what? I ripped my whole notebook up and started my life over, you dig?

For real. Hold on one second, I got a beat. I got to be. I'm after you. Go ahead, go ahead, I'm after you. you. Is it a break right now? No, no, no, no, I want to talk to. I want to talk to.

I'm talking. This is what I want to know. What the fuck were y'all drinking in Brooklyn that y'all were spitting, the cadence that y'all was spitting? Like, I'm in Miami, and now when we reflect back, y'all was doing double time

ahead of that being the trend. Well, that really started in Harlem with Motin. Really? Yeah. Okay. That really started in Harlem with Motte. with that um

I'm the super-tupor making money make it move quick I forgot how to rhyme go but yeah that really that's real fast that really started with MoD in Harlem but I mean

I mean it's like you know in Brooklyn I think that the whole cadence and everything that you hear from a lot of Brooklyn see speaking of myself Jay Z Biggie

fabulous it's that it's that Pimp shit because it's like just the way we view stuff like um like you like

Master D having a party you know like you know master D jamming you know you're going to get your your V neck sweater you know your double net v neck joint

your mock neck to throw up under it you know some jeans with the permanent crease and your um British walkers and you know your British walkers and like, you know, that was that player shit that we wore, like, you know, like, that's how we come into a party. That's like a hip-hop party.

You know what I'm saying? So it was like that type of thing where it's like, you know, we looked up to the dudes that's talking shit in the barbershop or in the pool hall, the pimps on the corner. So it was that type of slick lingo that we appreciated and respected. You know what I'm saying? It was like that type of lingo that we, and I think that that's what really defined a lot of Brooklyn MCs and made them a lot different than that. other, you know, artists from different boroughs, you know? Straight up. Now, speaking about that, I sent you at a couple of players' balls back then.

What the fuck would be doing in the players' ball? I thought I was a pimp for a week. Now, you didn't try to get me to admit to being a gangster, so how you think this is going out for you? I'm just saying, no, good luck. We did see each other at players' balls. A company. And I enjoyed your company.

Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed. And we drink as champagne then, too. Was it? Yes, sir. Yeah. So, like, how is Kane just connected to all these worlds, like, in the most respectful way? Like, you're just connected to the illish shit? I mean, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, I move around.

I'm a, I guess what you can call a soul searcher. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I can I can vibe off of energy, man. You know what I'm saying? And I love positive energy. I love positive energy too. Positive energy might be in a room

full of pimps with loud ass suits on. But they're in there buying each other, champagne, talking shit to each other, having a good time, you know. I agree. It might be that type of shit. I agree. It might be a function that a bunch of women are having where they're talking about how women can become leaders and have higher positions in jars. And it's a bunch of black women

just talking about that trying to build something positive, you know, but I just, I love positive energy, man. I love it, man. I love it. I'm not going to know. I know exactly what you mean because I was never a pen. But I took a liking to juju. I took a liking to Penn McKin. I took a liking, um, a bishop. I took a liking to me. So they would invite me to these events

and I would come. So one day I just actually, I just actually tried to actually be a punk. Like so I actually had my gold cup and I went to his white girl. I said, bitch choose. And she said, I'll choose you. I said, oh shit.

I didn't. I had no idea What they do After that And then everybody All the Perman niggas It's like No, no he's sitting there to me

I'm like relax I know I'm She done shows I know I was to do something I had absolutely nothing to do I have to see Choke You know I'm on the road

I'm doing 50 nights You know But yeah So my Pimp My Pimp career Didn't last You went to your Pimp career Yeah it didn't last

A long time though Because I used to go players ball they gave me the cup they gave me the players card you had to be a real player to get a player's card did you have a player's card with the gold the gold players card that the dog the green letters yeah look at that look at the point they went to get my card back i was like yo look i'm not really uh but they accepted me so i respected the culture pim and can no a lot of dudes is cool dudes um ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju ju yeah ju's real real good dude man um him Man, good game.

Good game. I'm going to say good time. Good game, yeah. Good game, home, or good game still? I don't think so. I think he's, I think he's still down. Okay, wow. I could be wrong, but I think he's still down.

But, yeah, I don't know if you met Kenny Red from Vegas. Kenny Red, of course. Yeah, yeah. A lot of dudes, you know, they're real good dudes, man. You know, I mean, and, you know, Bishop, you know, that's my dude. No, great guy. You know, funny as hell, you know. But, I mean, you know, there was a time in my life where I had to really sit and reflect

or something that he told me, you know what I mean? So, I mean, it's like, you know, I have the utmost respect for Bishop. Me too. Me too. Yeah, yeah. So, well, it was nothing like cane pimping or not. Okay, I'll move on. I got that answer, okay?

You got to relax. I got to relax. Okay, now, all right, back in the days. This is before you met your wife, right? Uh-huh. I heard you smashed a female cop. a concert, is that true? In your limo?

That's what I'm saying? This is, this is people. This is the internet. This is the internet. But you was in a concert, female pulled you over, and you pulled, oh. That's a lot, man. That's never happened.

Okay, all right, cool. I got it. It was at an autograph signing. Oh, that's awesome. Oh my God, man. Yo, so do you look at you, do you look at your life? And, like, my new EP is, is, I want to title it, my life dope. Do you ever look at your life and be like, yo, my life?

Like, the shit that you accomplished, like, coming from nowhere and just say, shit I did, it's just dope. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy. I mean, to be honest with you, it's the final chapter that makes me happy. Okay. You know, because I mean, it's like, you know, when I was younger, I did a lot of crazy stuff. And it was fun, you know, for the moment. Right.

You know, but then after a while, you know, like how we're saying the thing about, you know, the best, you know, never had, you know. Like how were you saying that? I mean, it's like, you know, it was fun for the moment, then it get boring. But now, you know what I'm saying, being able to wake up, you know, I got a four-year-old. to be having me on the floor playing with um transformer dolls

and the transformer still came my four year old they got new joints I didn't know they they got Transformers still I thought it was Pokemon and shit like that

no no no I'm on the four floor playing with Transformers with my four year old and Avengers characters and you know doing stuff like that and you know

my wife talking to me about dinner and showing me stuff online and she want to order for the house and all that this stuff. I mean, you know, it's like that's the thing that, you know, I mean, that you want to, that's what I want to, that's how I want to live, you know, these final days out. I want to live them out like that. I dig that.

Well, let's not say your final days, Kay, because you're going to live forever. That's what the fuck we predicted on drink champs. Well, I mean, I once said on a song, I may die one day, but my rhymes will remain like a hieroglyphic. So, yeah, I know I'm here eternally. I'm just saying that, you know, I'm just saying it's here flesh. You know, for however long it's here flesh, you know, a long-will-in-lawful-know-less. Do you go to Costco? Huh?

Do you go to Costco's? Oh, yeah. I'm an executive member. I come up a head to you. I love Costco. I mean, I plan my day. But you got Gascos? Cosco's.

He understood what I'm saying. He knows him. He knows. Are there any Big Daddy Kane regrets? Probably that I didn't fuck my name. Donna. I don't know. I don't know it. Cute.

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is what my life is now and whatever it took to get it to where it is now I don't know having regrets might change or alter something and I may not have the family I have so no I'm not gonna

you know I'm not gonna you know say that I have regret regrets when you was at the top because like very people can see like I've had success in hip hop I've never had the type of success that you had being the only guy at that top of that, at that minute. And then you have people who follow like a big, a J, a Nause, or whatever.

But I've always been like a step behind you guys. Like, was it over-overwhelming when you was just out there, and everybody, I could imagine how much your people was ringing because it probably wasn't phones back then. Was it ever overwhelming where you were just like, damn? Like, you asked for it, you got it, and then you was just like, damn. Was it over like that or no? Well, I mean, because, yeah, I mean, I'm a private person.

You know, it's like with me, I like to come around people, spread love, and then go to the comfort of my home. Right. You know, like, you know, you... And you been like that since then? Yes, since then. I mean, like, you know, I go around the way, sit out on, you know, on Lewis and Van Buren, or go home to my peep's crib and Brevoid projects.

Right. You know, other people over in Brookline or in Canarsie. hang out, you know, buy like a half a gallon of Hennessy, you know, you know, get them maybe like about two ounces of weed, you know, let them, you know, do what they do and sit out of their show with them,

you know, cast it, want it to flow a little, you know, we get a little siphon, spit something, whatever, you know. And I mean, you know, I might have, you know, a little sip, you know, but it's like, you know, I'm just watching them enjoy their self, you know what I'm saying,

because these are brothers that I respect and they're still in the hood trying to, you know, come up. I want to inspire, them, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Keep chasing that dream. And I take my ass home.

And then, yeah, then I break open my fifth of remedy. You know what I sit back and I listen to my motherfuckin or David Ruffin. You know, the stuff. I'm out there rocking some hip-hop with them. I'm going to come home. I'm throwing some David Ruffin, Otis Redding, some of smooth stuff and just lay back. And I'm chilling now. I'm good now.

This is my life. Right. You know? Now you had a record with Tupopopop. and MC Hammer, correct? Yeah, well, there was one with me, Pock, and then there was just one with just me and Pock. And the one with you on Pock is called...

Wherever you are. Yep. And Hammer was too late player. Too late, yep. Yeah, he was a junior joint, too late, yeah, yeah. So, so... That's crazy. So, all right, that Pock, right, that Pock that you knew back then,

because you just said earlier, you was like, you knew Pock from running. Those records are pre-death-Row pop. Those songs all having that same night I'm telling you about it, Death Row Studio. In L.A. That same night. Also, this is when the Hammer was signed

to Death Row, too. Yeah. This is all that same night. Wow. Did you ever think the Digital Underground Pop would have to turn into the Def Row Pop? No. See, you got to understand.

It's like, Park spit for me. And when he spit for me, I saw that he had lyrics. and I saw where he was going with it. The revolutionary side of pot. Yeah, I saw that. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you know, it's like I didn't know exactly where he was going to go with it.

Right. You know, I mean, it's like, you know, you spit for me. And then, you know, like, you know, three hours later, you know, he's on the, you know, stage doing the Humphi dance with, with, um, with Jimpy. With Digit Underground. So I'm like, I don't really know where he's going to go or how he's going to be accepted. Because he's dancing with a little underground. ground. It doesn't match with the lyrics.

Like, pretty like this here. He kicked in some pro-black shit to you. Like, for example, like, my dance is Scoob and Scrap. Right. To try to imagine school was scrap doing the same thing I did would be a difficult site because they've already been seen.

As the background person. As school and scrap. Right. You see what you're saying? Yep. So it's like I didn't know how the public would perceive it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And that day when you brought big and Pop both on your stage.

Isn't Scoop on the stage too? Yeah. Rhyman? Yeah. But did you know those two guys were turning to the people they turned into or you did? Um,

well, at that point, Park was already on his way. You know? Big was an up-and-comer. Yeah. Because it was, what happened was, C called me and said, Yo.

Mr. C. Which is really how we all, All, like in Miami, how we heard this freestyle. He put it on a mixtape, and we all heard it around the world. Well, I mean, the reason why anybody heard is because Mr. C. Because he was smart enough to record the show that night. Right, which is big up to Mr. C. Superfest.

Yeah, the Budweiser Super Fest. You know what a bad job game. We're on the Budweiser Superfest. Man's this quick art. Every night, we're on stage with Patty LaBelle, Jevole-Levert, MC Light, Silk. I mean, it's a lot of me. I think BBD, a lot of major artists. Every night.

but that particular night C decided to record That's crazy He hadn't recorded none of the mother ones He recorded that night You know So the rest of the world heard it Thanks to Mr C

Matter of fact Let's get Mr. C Let me You got me Look at that But he called me And was like Yo big one to come

And you know He was one down He was one down You know No matter of fact All he said was big one to come that's all he wanted. He said Big wanted to come.

And I was like, all right, cool. Then he hit me back and said, Yo, um, Did Big have a record though? Yeah? He may have had, uh... Party and bullshit? Party and bullshit.

Okay. Yeah. But then he hit me back and said, yo, um, Tupac is in town filming a basketball movie. Above the rim. Yeah. I don't think he knew the name.

I think he said he's filmed this basketball movie. Right. And he wanted to bring him with him. And, you know, me with the, the, my battle mind stayed, I'm like, yeah, bring them. Because you want to battle them? Well, I mean, it was like, you know, Pop was hard. Park was hurt.

It's nothing personal. I mean, I love him. This was the brother that came to me in the beginning of his career. So I had nothing but love for him. But this is hip-hop. You know what I'm like, you know, yeah, yeah, bring them. Bring them. You're going to burn them down.

So that was, you know, where my mind state was. So when they got there, you know, they just came to real weakness. And I told them, you know, yo, you know, y'all want to get on? So that's really what my mind state was, you know. And, I mean, who would have known that it would have turned into what it turned into, you know, because. So when you seen that beef transpired, because you, you know, the night that you just had, this is at the garden, correct? The Burrwine's a professor was at the garden.

So you know that night that you just had, you. You just had them both on stage with you, actually. And then you hear about this beef. You ever thought it would have went this far? I mean, you know, it's like... And let me get a two-part question. I'm sorry. Do you ever think it went this far?

And then not only that, did you ever try to interject? Like, just try to, like... Well, I told you, I tried to interject on the plane. We're going from Vegas to L.A. Dead Row, yeah. to try to explain that. Okay. They got interrupted with more shit.

Yeah. But, I mean, it's like, I didn't think it would go this far. I mean, I was surprised. Yeah. You know? Because, I mean, it's like. People have battle on records.

You got to understand. Here's where I'm from, Novi. Okay. I'm aware of, you know, artists battling and parties going against each other, and they got to ride on the same train home. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

This is the type of shit I've seen. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Cold Crush, battling fantastic. Busy B and Kumo D. L.L. and Kumod. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've seen MC Shannon K.S. You've seen them battling and then ride the same.

No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm talking about that's something separate. I'm just saying all these other battles I've seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just battling, MCing. You know, I mean, like, me and MC Shan on the same label. and him and Keras 1 battling each other.

And you're a Karras 1. Miss Melody helped me move out of my mother's crib. When I first moved out my parents into my own spot, Karras 1 and Ms. Melody helped me move out. You made an appearance in the self-destruction video?

Yeah. Which is Karras 1, Ms. Melley, they put the adult together. I mean, I was supposed to be on the song, but apparently I was lied to. You know, yeah, somebody told me that I guess the day of the recording was a day that I had a show or something like that,

I can't remember. And they told me that was the only day that I could record vocals. Damn. Yeah, but I found out way later that, you know, I think maybe Chuck D and somebody else have recorded their vocals on another day, but they told me that, oh, no,

they recorded everything that day. So I just, you know, I just assumed that, well, shit, I ain't gonna be able to make it, so, you know, it is what it is. But I would have loved to been on that song. Imagine? It would have been a fucking self-disculpture. Self-destruction.

Yeah, they're for self-destruction. Jeez Louise, Papa, cheese. Well, yeah, but back to what we're saying, I mean, it's like, you know, with all I saw, you know, in my lifetime when it came to MC, and then also, you know, with me, you know. I mean, this is something I've been doing since 1982,

just going to different people's hoods, battling them. You know, who your best MC over here? You know? You around? Yeah, let me haul at them. You know? This is what I've been doing since 1982 until I got a deal.

You see what I'm saying? So it's like this is an understanding I have like, you know, this is hip hop, this is what we do. So to Biggie and Pock to see what they went through,

I'm like. Yeah, because that got to be crazy from you coming from a battle state and seeing, and then, but you had to feel different from hearing Tupac's hit them up. That was a different type of

Disrap. Disrap. Correct to you? It had to be to you too as well. Absolutely. Because I'm born in 77, so, like, young generation is like, just right before mine, right?

So I've heard the battle shit, but it was never, like, when Tupac took it there would hit him up. Like, hit him up was like, this was something like... Yeah, he went at his wife. He went at... It's just...

Everything that he said, it was just like, there's no coming back from this. You agree. Oh no, no. You had never seen that? I'm not going to say... I'm not going to say...

I'm not going to say that there's no coming back. Because if you understand the art of war, there's always a way back. Right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't know, you know, what Biggie mentality was like

back then, but if you understand the art of war, there's always a way back. You know? I mean, Ali beat George Ford. when nobody else could. You know what I'm saying? Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. I think he meant there's no way back after for Pock.

Yeah, like Pock crossed the line. Yeah, he's talking about Pock crossed the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's no way, there's no back to come from that. Oh, I'm sorry. There's no way for them. Okay. Yeah, that's what he meant.

Yeah. Because, like, I mean, up until then, we didn't hear disc records like that. We heard this record as like, yo, your girl on is ugly. Like, that was a person on. Yeah. didn't hear like motherfucker Well then I mean it's like this Then

Then fuck it No, I understand me Fuck it Y'all just can't be friends no more Right Right You just can't be friends no more But now your question is this

You know what I'm saying? Right You ready to take it there Right Or you want to reply The choice is yours You know Now if you're ready to take it there

Then the battle's over It's some street shit now It's a kind of attacks what if you ready to take it there the battle's over it. So you're saying if y'all was battling and then y'all start fighting then that's it, the battle's over, they got to keep it on the streets back then. I mean, it's like this year.

If you feel like somebody violated your family, you know what I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm just disrespect your family that way, you know what I'm saying? And you're ready to take it there. Then I mean, what's the purpose of battling? Just go ahead and go where you've got to go with this, you know? If that's what you choose.

Or if you choose to respond, and violate him lyrically. You know, I mean, it's, you know, the choice is yours.

I mean, it's like, I can't really speak on it or say, you know, what it should have been because it's like, you know,

this is what Pock said about big. This is not what Pock said about me. Right. There was obviously more things that play with that beef that we don't really get.

I mean, here's, my thing is this, man, you know, besides all that. At the end, of the day had

Puff and Shug sat down and had a meeting on some Don King Bob Aram shit they could have said listen

we're going charge Wooty Wool for payper view and and we're going to let them go

three songs apiece I'm going to real what you can. Oh, Colin, give me a second. We're going to let them go three songs apiece. Then after the third song, we'll let them go two rounds of battle rap. We're going to have people judge, call in the judge, and we'll control the 1-800 or 1-900, whatever number, to get money off of that. And they both could have got, I mean, all four of them could have got filthy. All-for-them, meaning Pock, Big, Sugar.

You know what I'm saying? That's the way that shit should have been done. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Turning into some real hip-hop shit, make something where you can make money off some real balance. That's how it should have been done, in my opinion. Right. Like the MC Shan, KRS.

Like they was going on tall at one point, Shannon Careers. Well, that was brought about because of the Sprite commercial. Sprite commercial, exactly. But I mean, yeah, this could have been turned into something that could have kept a hip-hop, civilized, and maybe both of them will be with us. But all, all due respect,

Shan kind of still is a little bit mad at KRS right now. And Kara said on our show that it was semi-serious. This is what I'm saying, but right now I still see Shan. It was serious. I still see Shan, like, MC Shan, Big Him up, Queensbridge Finers. But I still see Shan like every now and then,

every three clicks I see, it's still a Shan dissing KRA. Like he's still like man Yeah but they're still here to dis each other And that's the big difference They're still here to dis each other And that's the big difference I'm saying Right

I'm glad the truth But what I'm saying is does it Does it commit the same damage Because when you got Shan still Like you know Every You know He still has a personal

Care of ass I mean that's really on the individual You know what I mean If you guys going to lose sleeping night over losing the battle, that's on you. You know? That's on you.

Because, I mean, um... Because you're supposed to get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, man. Like the NBA. And losing sleep is better than losing a life. Niggas get dunked on every day, be. Lings it's better than losing your life.

Yeah. So now, let me tell you something, Kay. Well, I mean, honestly, you're like to see, if, if, if you end it for the culture. Right.

You know what I'm saying? You're a battle of MC. And you want to be the best battle MC. If you lose a battle, then don't take it as a loss. Take it as a lesson. And then it's not a loss, because it's a lesson.

You know what I'm saying? Figure out what you did wrong. Like a boxer. You know? Because, I mean, I remember people asking me about the whole J.Z. Nas thing. Speak on it, K. And.

Where are you going with that? I said, no way. And I was wrong. No way about who or what? I thought that there was no way that Nars could win that. I thought there was no, for the simple fact that... You fucked up, King. No, I'm saying.

At the moment, it means... No, no, because here's the thing. I need to hear your theory. I knew that Jay-Z was more sarcastic. and when I met Nas, I didn't really see no sense of humor. You know what I'm saying? What was the first time you met Nas? Let's tell me John Blaze Studio.

No, huh? John Blaze Video. No, no, no. Unique studio. Okay. Unique studio. 47th Street. Oh, you were there and there at John Blaze?

No, no, I definitely wasn't there. I was there. I was there at John Blaze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. That's the first time I met you. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We get to that later. Come on, let's stick to unique. Yeah. Yeah, it was on that on... Unique studios. Unique studio. And we was chopping it up. And, I mean, I didn't see a sense of humor in him.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But if you would have met his brother, Jungle, you would have knew that's the funniest niggian in the world. Well, see, you had, you were more inside here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't sit. So it's like, I'm sitting there, like, knowing Jay Z's sense of humor,

I'm like, Like, you know, someone that, you know, that don't have fun, don't play around. Because, see, in my mind, I guess I was seeing another battle playing out. Right. Okay. Someone else had a sense of humor.

Someone else is serious. Okay. And I knew how to play out. Go for it. Because, look, when people may hear me, like, on the M&M record, right? This is the first time I'm ever going to say this. This is the, I did two or three interviews where people asked me,

You even called me gay. You're a foul guy. Like, what? You called me gay. He was like, that's gay. That answer's gay. That's what you said. Probably didn't say that.

All right. So look, so when I heard Eminem against Jay-Z, I've never looked at it. Like, M. Destroyed, Jay. Like, I just did it. Because I actually kind of related to Jay-Z's verses more than I did Eminem. And that's not, I love Eminem.

It's just I don't be known the biblical residuals residual residuals and the residuals I don't know that right but I know like awkward

and boxed lefty and so I know that right so people think that I'm crazy when I say that I look at that record as if it's a great record

right you even no or that J you're talking about I don't think I don't feel like Jay got body, right? Right, right.

But on Ether and the takeover, nah, it's 100% won that. 100%. If you compare, just takeover to Ether.

Now, super ugly, I don't even want to count that because it was an emotional record. You can tell like Jay is one of our best emcees. We can't even, we shouldn't even judge him. We shouldn't even rate him off for that.

Let's just do those two things. Nah, it's definitely one. And Jay's my man, Nause is my man. No, I think, yeah. But because of what you said, is because of I felt like he took it too serious. Like, you feel like a battle. You felt like who took it too serious?

I feel like Jay took it too serious. No, no, I mean, no, you could be right because I don't think that Jay expected what Nause did on Eater. He never saw that coming. You think that Jay underperformed or Nas over? To what you thought Well, Norse had been performed. Overperformed.

To what you thought in terms of humor and all that stuff. Jay-Z-bodied Nas on takeover. It's just that the response that Nas had on ether I didn't see coming in a million years. I ain't gonna lie to you. And he took a long time too. Remember, Kane? He didn't just respond.

Now, in y'all days, a person do a record, you gotta do it next week. he took his little time you see I don't even remember like what the window looked like but I was a big yeah it was a large window yeah yeah yeah we were getting killed I'm a queen's thing

people thought guys it was done oh god damn he he killed I thought he thought he thought he though I never like I would have never expected that from Nars like years later I had a matter 2014 I had a conversation with Nause

and that was the first time I really saw, like, his sense of humor. Right. Oh, no, now it's a funny nigga. Yeah. All no Vernon niggins. Niggas from Vernon? It's, you know, the niggas is funny niggas.

Like, yeah. But I'm saying, when I first met him in a unique studio. He was quiet. Yeah. Quiet. Yeah. Like, he was really sitting there talking through me and taking it in. Right, no, of course.

You're a legend, Kane. Of course, nobody want to be funny in front of you. Come on. Yeah, come on. You know, Daddy Kane. Come on. God, damn. When people meet you, they hug you, and I mean, they give you a five, but it ain't mind.

Even if they don't do it, they're going like this. Facts. They're going like this, man. Let me tell you something, man. You really laid it out for us to play it out. You was the guy in front of, you know, masses. Your finger pop Madonna. You finger pop Madonna?

You had, you had, you had, you had, you know, these, these tremendous records. you toured you did everything and the thing about drink chance we don't want you to ever feel like your life is over or your life has ever been

misplaced here at drink chance we want to big up these other young boys they got these other outlets where they can go on and they can play their music and that's not what it here

on drink champs when drink champs we want to salute our legends I mean I appreciate that and no no 100% yo my dude listen I got thick eyebrows right Now, because I was cutting my eyebrows.

I had three cuts in my eyebrows trying to wild out. You know that Jay-Z Larry? I see the same thing happening to Kane. Three cuts in your... Yo, look. Look at my shit, Kane. My shit, Kane? No, look, my shit's already thick anyway.

But I was like, I was a young nigga like 11 years old, and I cut my three. Do you know how influential you was? whatever you did that's just the reason why Jay has to always salute you because he actually like whatever you did you came out of the robe

we wanted a row you had a four finger ring we wanted a ring you had a rope chain we wanted a rope chain I'm just being 100% honest No that's love buddy I appreciate it I appreciate that You was the What's that shit called that?

Train setter Whatever you did Did we follow? But that's what you, you know, you have to be, man. You have to be that. You know what I'm saying? You have to create, you know, your own lane. Yep.

You have to create that. Otherwise, you know, you're just another piece on the table, man. You have to create your own lane. What makes you unique, you know? and I mean don't get it fucked up big homie I mean I think that you are

a very unique artist yourself man because it's like yo no no okay it's about you today but look look hold on Ken I'm gonna switch the subject because I'll street you try to switch this subject

I'm good at my being alright look look let me take something Kane one of the things that I want to do right with all this transitioning of how

the coach is moving What I thought of was, you know, I watched NWA movie. I watched all these other people in a movie, right? Now, it's into two things. One, we got to tell a Big Daddy King story. What is it called, Biop? Biopic. Biopic.

We got to get a Big Daddy Kane biopic. And not only that, but this is also an idea that I had. I wanted to do the Clarence 13X movie. And as I'm looking at you, I think you would play the father. Could you, could you, do you think you pull off playing the father Clarence 13 acts in the morning?

I mean, why not? I don't see the why not either. Why not? I don't, I don't see or not. I only see, yes. Would that be your ultimate role as an actor? I mean, hey, brother, you call your people, I call mine, let's make it happen.

Oh, I got it. Got it. Got it. God damn, Mr. Goethe. Yeah, but is that a movie

that need to be necessary? Because you grew up, you know, 5% of the year. I did. I think that, I think that

it would be beautiful. I mean, to be honest with you, the state of the world today, anything that has a positive view. Exactly.

You know what I'm exactly? And anything that would be uplifting to black people in this time. you know what I'm saying

and I have to say black people you know what I'm saying I have to you know be that specific because I mean you know this is an era where not only you know are we going through so much

with police brutality and you know just that whole lack of masculinity you know I mean not only that it's the type of thing where we're going to against each other just to be famous on social media.

So that shit can. You know what I'm saying? It's the type of thing where right now, we're in a situation where, you know, one black dude will go against another just to be able to say, you know, just something important or just be recognized by comment on social media, you know?

And I mean, it's like, you know, It's just sad because it's not unified. It's not uplifted. But you remember your days, like, there was structure, like, 5% people. Like, I remember, like, people, like, you know, coming out, like, and if they knew my mother, the guards would check me. The guards would be like, yo, like, we don't have that no more. Like, if we don't even have that, we don't even have that in the industry, meaning. But that's deeper than your days.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? That'd go back to the 70s, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. They go back to the 70s with Black Panthers and so on. You know? I mean, so it's not like it was just a, you know, a thing, you know, with the five and send this, this is something that's just deep that has gone, this went on. And matter of fact, even prior to that, you know, I don't know if, you know, you got your grandparents are still with us, but I mean, they don't know what they'll tell you, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, they see a child over here fucking up. Exactly. It takes in the, you know, a village, a village, yeah, you know, like, you know, ain't you something such boy? Exactly.

What you do over there? They whoop their ass and they're going to tell your parents. But, you know, that's what I see what's happening in the rap game. In the rap game, you guys helped us, and we, it's our force. It's my generation's fault. We didn't give a fuck about helping the next guys. And I'm not saying me in particular because I helped. Generation.

Everybody who I could help. No. Okay. Yeah, because you. Be careful how you choose your words. Okay. Because, no, I don't think that this really started until the new millennium. I don't think this started with your error.

I think this started with the new millennium. You know what I'm saying? That's when this shit started. The new millennium, when they didn't respect their elders, are you saying? Well, I think what basically happened is like, you know, when we entered into this new century, it wasn't the type of thing where cats that used to promote

Stephanie Mills and the Gap Band or them were in control of rap where they're confused and don't know what the hell they're doing now we actually have people in control of rap that grew up in hip-hop they understand it

probably was a rapper themselves that didn't make it you know what I'm saying they may have been someone that said I don't like grimy I don't like nothing Why that nigger get a deal

I'm gonna put some real artists I know on And you see They have this here mentality You know what's that? And it's like What started happening is like People bringing in their camp Their people

Their friends Making them stars Regardless of skill Exactly So now, therefore, skills is going out the window. And then from a label standpoint, you know, the stuff that we all went through, hey, well, you know, my shit double platinum. We need to discuss these contracts.

They start changing that. Creating these one-off deals or whatever, you know, and all this and stuff with artists. And 360 deals. Well, that came later. You know what I'm saying? We're after the sales started to, you know, go down. Decrease, yeah.

And the sales started to decrease. And yeah, we're going to need a little bit of your show money. We're going to need a little bit of your merchant. And, you know, it's like, you know, here we are in a whole different state of hip hop where, you know, these artists are getting terrible deals. But, you know, it's like what you was asking earlier. about the older generation. It's like, yeah,

Mel might have been funky and whatever happened with Mo and L, but I tell you this, Mel did sit and tell me about his career. Mel did sit and tell me the ends and out of his business. When I got into it, when I wrote the Lucy's rap song,

man, Rick James sat down with me and gave me a host spill on the industry. But James. Damn. But James, bitch. Rick James sat and gave me a whole spill.

And I came to this meeting on some arrogant shit on some old, you know, fuck Rick. Right. You said fuck Rick? Not because it wasn't, my man. He was always bragging me about, you know, how wild it was. And at Rick and myself.

And at that point my, you know, I was doing my, thing thing. You know, so I was like, you know, I get ass, you know, fuck Rick. Was Rick Stiffin'Coke at this time? I didn't see him do it, but I didn't see Coke. It was cocaine around. It was cocaine around. Okay. That's the other story. I'll tell you what, I'll get to that as soon as I finish. Okay, good. Because that's a hell of a story too. But anyway, I mean, it's like Rick James was giving me game. I mean, there was so many artists, Barry White giving me game.

There was so many artists that was giving me game. You see what I'm saying? Right. Jalil from Houdini giving me serious game. You know what I'm saying? And I mean, like, this is the type of stuff I tried to do with Jay Z.

Like I told you earlier about Mr. C calling me with Big on the line. I'm telling Big how I would handle this situation, what I think he should do. You know what I'm saying? And it's the new generation.

Right. See what I'm saying? Did Jay ever disappoint you at some point? Like, you know, you guys connected, he was there for him, I can't, you know, I'm be honest with you, I can't really say that because it's like, I've always known Jay, the way he is, I know the type of person he is,

so there's no way he can disappoint me, you know, because I mean, I know, I know him, I know, your expectations. Yeah, I know what to expect from Jay, and I'm happy for him, and I wish him continued success. God bless. You know, but I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, and I don't know what, um, uh, Jay C and Tupac, and these cats and Biggie, what they did for any other upcoming generation. But, I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, I've heard stories about with Jay and Kanye, Dame Dash and Kanye, whatever. You know, upcom.

And with Ludacris, you know, and Eminem always, you know, shouts, you know, all the such as myself, Raq Kim, several others. So, I mean, it's like, it was passed on. But then, you know, there came a point where they kept us apart. there was a separation not created through the artists, created through the industry. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Of course. Through the labels.

Expiration dates were put on artists. Why do you think it's like that in hip-hop? Like, to me, to me, I want to prove, like, the point that, like, I could have won the championship. I could have been a Shaquille O'Neill. Like, you know, I've been platinum. I've, you know, had gold albums, and now I want to turn it to media. So I want to show people that, you know,

You could be cool, growing old. I'm 40 years old. I'm 40 years old. Why is it that people want to give hip hop an aspiration date? Why? I think one of the reasons is that if the youth of today connect with your generation, because you have to me, you know what I'm saying?

Of course. You didn't really have to say, of course, but okay. We're back. If they connect with you, then comes you schooling them on what real hip hop is and might make them want to think for themselves. Because right now they're not thinking for themselves.

Because they're being brainwashed by what they're hearing on the radio. Yeah. Well, not just what they're in the radio. They're being told, this is what we need. We need you to do this. We need you to sound like them. We need to sound. Social media is a new radio.

What they'd be doing? No. Yeah. Go ahead. My back. I'm happy. I had a moment to Rets right then. My bad. Go ahead. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. No, I mean, no, for real. That's what it is. They tell you, they're like, no, listen, we're looking for something more like a, you know, can you do this? All right, well, going down the bridles on us, get your dress and come on and fuck with me, and we're going to make this hit song happen for you.

And that's what's happening. Right now. It's a new guy with a dress on. Right now. You didn't see the guy? He has a wedding dress on. Oh yeah, yeah, he's from Florida too. That's what I heard, that's what I heard. God bless your niggas in Florida, man. Yeah, man. All right, let's take one break.

I got to take one more piss. No, I'm going to follow you on. And if we're just a smoke break, and get some air real quick because I know you got asthma. Yes, sir. All right, cool. Get some air real quick. Hey, yo, chit you get the cane over there.

Oh, can, you ain't drink that whole bottle by yourself. Hey, good. He's short enough good. I'm definitely going to take a glass. I thought you. I thought you. I said we was drinking. We're drinking.

You're going to what's happening with us afterwards? No, no, no, no. Sure, you're good. You're good. I got an early flight now. Okay, I got an early flight, too. So, okay. You've been doing it.

Yeah, I live on. He just has to fly. Yeah, it's a time of year. You just got to fly for no reason. Just to get your miles back. Yeah, get your miles up. Are we recording? Yeah, I'm about 17 segments

show up myself, man I feel you so I'm right there with you So Vegas They're back And then L.A. I'm back And then I'm

platinum 1K again Yo, my team sucks now American Airlines Fuck them man That's who I'm with That's what I'm with too But 17 segments

To make executive platinum I'm planning Well I'm just regular platinum I'm planning a pro But I'm trying to get that Exactly How do you feel about What's going on with them right now?

Where they separate the shit? And you're on, NACP put out the board and everything. With NWACP, what? They said don't fly American Airlines. Well, I thought Tyler Perry bought American Airlines. What? I thought he had some. I thought he had something to do with that, yeah.

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I don't know. We'll do one more shot? I'm in. Because, you know, we're here with King, man. And let me just say you something, Ken, you are very much appreciated. Absolutely. You are very much, when we started this program, we were just wanted to,

we figured, you know, these guys, they come out, they have one-hit wonders, and they, you know, they have our luxurious two or three years, and we wanted to respect them too. We don't have nothing against them. But we wanted to respect our legends

who got, you know, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years in this career. Because we noticed that every other genre in music, when you have that longevity, you're saluted. But in hip hop, you have that longevity and they call you old. Or they call you washed up. Or they call you, and I want to stop using the word relevant because the word relevant is only relevant

to people who use that word relevant. See relevant. It's irrelevant. You know what I'm saying? You got Big Daddy Kane fans who will probably never listen to these new guys, right? And then vice versa. It doesn't mean it doesn't take away from you to take away from them. The thing is, if you have this career where you lived over 10 years and 12 and 13 years in here,

this is where we want to salute you. This is where we want to big our people up from you to change. Chuck D, the K-R-S-1, to DMX, to whoever. We want to sit here and we want to let our legends know that you have a place in hip-hop and you will forever be remembered for what you did. You are hip-hop. And you are hip-hop. And that's what this is about.

We are honored that these people will come and listen to us, but even if the people ain't come and listen to us, we'll be honored to do this. and sit before you. Well, listen, bro, I'm glad to be a part of it now. And sit before you. So now look, I'm gonna pop. Look, that last bottle. Look, look, look, look.

We got two more roses. Right now, before you do that, have a drink with me. I'm gonna have a drink with you. I already separated my cups. Look, that's my red wine cup right there. There you go. I'm gonna have a drink. And we're gonna do one more shot and then we'll get a bottle.

Oh, look at that, Kane. I ain't gonna lie, Kay. Oh, look. McCain, did you have a glass of rosé? in 2017. This is the new shit. This was the kids drinking. Okay.

You got to have a drink with you. You can have a drink with me. And we got a gift for you from 8 and 9. Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. He got mad gifts. He got mad gifts. I want to turn you on to something else too, man.

Okay. Like you, you into the champagne? No, I'm into champagne. Yeah. There's a champagne called Bill of Cart-Samong. Okay, I've definitely. never heard of that. You're very rich, Ken. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Continue. That's it sounded rich. Belichon Sounded Hong. What is it?

Like I have big bang? No, listen. Say it again, Ken? Bill of course Simone. You listen. No, real talk. You need to try that. Billet call someone. Um, no, because I mean like, like, you ever miss with like the Vuvuv? Viveclico? Yeah. Yeah. Like, and how it don't really, um, have that, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. You know this? See, no spell. Look at, look, came. You didn't finish.

I learned this. Oh, shit. Look at that, Karen. Look at that, Cairn. Look at that. And then you know what you gotta do? You got to twist. You got a twist.

Come on, give me a cane cup. Give me a cup. I'm gonna take one of y'all's. You gotta take some. This is what the kids drink. Oh, no, look, look, did you? Yep, that's, that's, that's, that's, Hold on.

Yeah, make sure. That was something in here. That was water. No, no, no, let's get a fresh cut. All right, there you go. Fresh cup, right? Oh, no, look, look. If you want, you got these, too.

Okay, cool. All right, cool. Okay, let the cane, let Kane choose his cup. That's a cane, goddammit. Now, look at that, can't. Look at that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

Okay, now you twist. You twist. There you go, okay. Now, you toast, you, the drink I board you, and I'm gonna toward us drink, you poured me. Oh, okay, that's how we know.

This is to Big Daddy Kane, for all your accolades, for everything you did for hip-hop, for everything you contributed to hip hop, for every time you had a bad day in hip hop, for every time you had a good day in hip hop, for every time you had a medium day in hip hop, we want you to know that you will always be welcoming,

drink, chance. Anytime you want to introduce anything that you're doing in life, we are here for you. Me and DJ here, friends. A couple of questions before we get out of you. Because my brother, weird thoughts, reminded me or something. Weird thoughts.

What of my favorite tracks that you were part of? Collectively. Burn, Hollywood, burn. Chuck D. Ice Q. Uh-huh, yeah. How did this come about? What was the, just give me a little something, something. Chuck had a concept.

He said what it was. That's what I be down. I said, yeah, and we made it happen. And I mean, you know, it was like he had a visual. Because, I mean, it was like, even though he'd already explained to me what it was about, what it was about, when it was time to do it, he explained again and went into deep detail

and using references and all that there. I don't know if you know Chuck, but, you know, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, yeah. So, you know, he long-winded, you know, and he went to deep, deep, deep, deep details. But, I mean, it was the type of thing, it was like, bro, I'm happy to be on a song with you. Well, that's the first time you had worked with Q? Yeah.

Yeah Like I had met Kube You know Kube was always cool You know But yeah Working together yeah So

And wait one more Paul Where you at Paul Drink Champ Sports He has another question I did have a question As a fan How was it when you did the

Talk about Talk about The man took off his hat Out of respect That out of respect That Out of respect That was all

Keep your hat on Keep your hat on. When you did the lean on me, because that was on with Morgan Freeman and Robert Guillain. And Robert Guillaume passed away a couple days ago. Did you meet him? Like, how did you get on the song? How did you get the actual soundtrack?

We were on the song because of Benny Medina. You know, I guess. Hold on. Let me just throw out. Benny Medina name came up a couple of times on this podcast. I just want to throw it out there. Benny Medina's name came up with Mariah Carey and J-Lo. continue

Latinos He's talking about big niggas right now I'm sorry Yeah you know Benny Medina You know he was

You know Because Kane's so smooth He said like Benny Medina Like the nigga They own a bodega We gotta relax He's a big nigga

Go ahead Kane I'm sorry Yeah Well I mean This is when he was At Warner Brothers And you know He was responsible

For The Holine on me soundtrack And it was so funny Because it was like You know He told me about the song and I had a copy of the film

and I did watch the film but didn't write the song because I was going through some other you know some other you know contract disputes you know with Cochilla and so I just was like you know after song I mean but then Benny he was like asked me

I'm like yeah yeah I'm on it I'm on I'm on I'm on then one day Benny hit me and was like yo how we coming with the song and I'm like yeah we're good and he said, you know, can we do it today? I'm like, well, I'll try. And he said, okay, well, good, I'm in New York. Can I send a car to pick you up and bring you to Molly?

And I'm like, oh, shit. You know, so I was like, all right, yeah, make it happen, yeah, go. Like I said, I saw the movie, but I didn't write the song. So in the time that he made the call for the car and for it to make it to my crib and Queens, and for me to get the Queens up to Spring Valley, that's the time I use to actually write lean on me.

On the right over. Yeah, on the ride over. Yeah, on the ride. It's small crack, don't you? Yeah. Actually, another soundtrack that for me is instrumental is the Jew soundtrack

that you're on, enough respect to. And that's another funny story. Because, I mean, Hank Shockley was trying to... Public Enemy. Bus the Wilds, British. Yeah, Bomb Squad.

Bounce Squad. Yeah, Hank Shockley wanted me to do this song but it was like at that point in time I think I was really focusing on my film career trying to get that jump started so my mind was really there

you know and he's driving me crazy about the song and he was like yo can you do it when you get back to New York when I say that

I mean like he meant that day I got back to New York and I mean you know I ride in New York, leave the airport coming in my crib, Hank Shark would park in my driveway sleep. Waiting in this truck, sleep,

waiting for me. Hard demand. Yeah. So, you know, we kind of come to studio that night and you know, write the joint, put it together. But, you know, we made that happen. I was an incredible record. I'm going to be honest. As I'm drinking this

red wine, I immediately want to eat pussy. I know you're a different type of thing. This shit makes me want to eat pussy. Like, I've never had alcohol. I'm thinking about eating pussy. You know, they say that red wine brings the best out of you. I had never knew that until right now. It made me want to listen to Otis Redden, but if pussy is your choice,

yeah, you know what you do, do, brother. Yeah, definitely. It's just like, it's got weird for me. Did you finish my drink? I want to know what it makes you feel like. No, no, no, no. The more was like, you know. Listen, no, no, no, I've done that.

I mean, yeah. Yeah, but so the red wine. Now, what is this? This is an, this is an orange shift, orange swift machete. It's a cab blend. There's a chick on there. I like the way.

I'm, I'm not 100% sure. I think it's, from correct, I believe it's cab and sarah. I think it's cab and sarah blend. I don't know. I don't speak a cab, cabinet, and, A barb blend. No picky, so. But, you know,

Orange Swift, they make some great wines. They have the machete. They have the abstract, Palermo. Palermo, I've been there in Italy. Okay,

well, that's the only 100% cabinet that Orange Swift make. All the rest of them are cab blends. They make some great wines. And if you go to

their spot in Napa, yeah, it's like in the club. They use a real connoisseur of this stuff. No, it's like you, when you in the East Day Spot, it's not like the other spot. It's like in the club. They got music blasting and, you know, chicks in their, drunk as shit. Not Capolos.

Capo. In Napa. All right, but it's not called. Napa Valley. In Napa Valley. Yeah, I know. It's, you know, because their thing is on the strip. Okay.

Right on the strip. And yeah, yeah. I mean, Orange Wolf has a great selection. Yeah, I've never seen this. This is a machete. It's a black girl on the bottle? Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it's, they have a bunch. It's all the same wine, but they use different photos.

So there's a lot of different photos of her in different positions. Let's make noise for Kane being a classic. Devaney Free ordered 1942 to kill. Right. Correct? But we have never had somebody order red wine, and that's very classier you can. I mean, I'm just me, baby. How'd you become a classy Brooklyn nigga?

He's like, I was bold. Because most Borgly niggas I mean, no, let me I'm gonna tell you Real story I mean growing up You know

I mean Watching my pops And And keep in mind My pops is from A small town called Bowman In South Carolina

But I mean You know You know From his younger You know Age he grew up in New York And I mean It's like

Yo when I was a kid in the 70s, I see this dude like, line his shoes up. Snake skin, gait or that stuff, line him up. He might line up by six pairs of shoes and then put on a suit and then just go stand

in front of each pair of shoe. It's moving down, just dancing his way down in front of each peer to see which peer master's suit. Like this type of shit, I used to see him do as a child. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've seen my pops go out in a two-piece suit that drive off and had a flat tire

and he had to change the tire and he changed it in the suit and got grease on the suit. And, you know, he stood there and stared at the tire like as if he arguing with the fucking tire. Came upstairs, took a shower, and threw on a three-piece suit. Like just to show the tire like, motherfucker, I got more pieces.

You know, I got more pieces. You know what I'm saying? I can put more shit on this. You ain't stopped nothing. You know? Yeah, and I'm sitting, went back outside. There's three pieces on it and stood in front of that same tire and stared at it again for about another two minutes.

And then got in the car and Joe, but like, so it's like this type of stuff. It's like, when I got in the hip hop, you know, like I said, the battle rapping. But once I heard Kaz, I was like, oh, this dude, Grammar's the Cats. amazing. So lyrically I wanted to be Kaz, but image-wise, I wanted to be my pops, because I just thought he was just that dude, you know? So who's your favorite

rapper from that era? If you could say there was one person. What you mean from me growing up as a kid? Cass. Yeah. Yeah. Caz. I knew he was going to say that. So who's your favorite rapper from the middle era? You mean, like

early ages? No, no, after you guys Oh, okay Like the Nause, the Wooten Like the 90s, you're talking about like the early 90s Yeah, the 90s, yeah Oh man It's like

I would I have to say it this way I have to say that Lyrically Lyrically my favorite was Nause but my favorite

MC was Biggie It's like I like Biggie I just thought that what big did was amazing but lyrically I would have to go with Nause

because you understand it's like in my era you know I come from where you know they put a cord

in their ass and they play these stuff no no no I'm like you know where you come in the club and you fucking everything before, well, both of y'all,

y'all fucking everything before any of them. Included him. The cocaine engineer. Right here. The Latinos are the chain engineer. Before any of us, including you. Because you caramel

so you can choose a side. You can decide you'll be light skinned, dark skin to walk. He's had this bad. And then we got cold caramber on my life. Thank you. You caramel go on.

Choose the side. You know, if light skin is popped. Dark skin is popping them up? You're right? So the Chicos, what are the Chicos doing? You know, I come from an era where, you know, you know, y'all get in action just because y'all light skin. You know what I'm saying?

And it was like, you know, we... But you and Wesley's knife stopped that shit. Oh. Yeah, but you see, it was something like, again, like, ah, how you was talking about with the flat top. It's something I had to talk about, something I had to brand. I had the brand being dark skin. You know what I'm saying? Browner than Bobby's.

so want you to be my tender phone. I had to keep on, you know, saying Darskin shit to make Darskin sexy. Was that, I go to work lyrics right there? Yeah, yeah. I get a job done. Yeah.

I get the job done. I had to, like, keep, you know, saying Darskin shit. You know what I'm saying? That was when Niggas was like, Kane is gone. I could work. He was in there with this.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not, man. No, no, no. Liggas was like, like, I'm a young nigga. I'm like, no, that's my liggins. That's my lank.

For you, You were making a lot of money back then. At that point, you got the job done. Oh, absolutely. I mean, absolutely, absolutely. It was fun. Like, because do you think, like, because I feel like you was, like, the first person to have, like, commercial success.

Where people did. No. No. No, no, no. No, no. L.L. and who did he? Okay. Okay.

I understand that. But both of those, okay, L.L. Was Likskin. for light skin people purposes. And then Houdini was a group. So you was like the first dark skin, buckling guy. Yeah, okay, okay.

Looked at, like, a sex figure, looked at like the king of hip-hop, and it's just like... Yeah, I mean, now, see, that I can agree with it. But you see, like I said, that was something that I had to create that whole dark-skinned thing. So now, going back to Biggie,

he took it to the next level. And see, that's what, This thing is all about. I got what you're saying. You should I'm saying? It's all about, you know what you can, no, no, no. It's like, you know, like, you know, okay, you learn this from here. Okay, and then you take it to the next level.

You learn from your predecessors and you take it to the next level. It's like, you know, I made this dark skin thing sexy. But my man Biggs said, ugly as ever. However. Yeah, yeah. Black and ugly as ever. However, I stay. Because it was like, yo, I lied to you not.

I was in Birmingham, Alabama at a club and seeing this crispy, fat, black dude at the bar chilling with a koogee sweater on, Vasachi shades. And to even just put the stamp on, the food stamp on, he at the bar doing the biggie bop, you know. And I'm saying, Jix is digging him. So it was like Biggie made fat dude sex symbols. Wow.

The fat dude buys a cuji sweater. Like Pun did the same thing. Yeah, yeah. But Big perfected it first. Yeah, yeah. But pun, you took it to the next level. And yeah, and pun, that's another dude that was. But you know, that time he talked, that was my first time meeting him.

Yeah. That's my first time meeting you. No. Yeah. I was talking to Chris about that. Chris Knight. No, Rivers. Oh, Chris Rivers.

Oh, Chris Rivers. Pun signs. Yeah. Yeah. I was telling him, like, that when I met him, he was just being funny. He was like, oh shit, my, your big daddy can't. You bring the kids. I was like, that shit had me crying laugh because it was like, and I just, it was a John Blaze video.

Yeah, John Blaze video. Because it was like, I've always been a pun fan. When I first heard him, I was like, finally. finally somebody given my man G-rap his props you know because I can hear the G-rap

Yeah 100% And then to see his videos And see that like Yo I don't want my shit Just Nah

Like it was entertaining It was fun I'm like Oh he's gone He's gone Ain't too about fun Pun When I saw

When I saw his videos I'm like Oh he's gone Forget her I'm right, yeah, he's, he's met. It goes back to the humor thing you were saying. Yeah, but he was having fun. Yeah, he, yeah.

And the lyrical beast. You know the first thing I ever met you when I walked up? And I'm such a super fan. And I woke up to Kane. And Kane says to me, you know, I didn't like you. First thing you said to me. I'll never get it. You said, I didn't like you until N-R-E-I-L.

But I didn't wait for that until. So I was like, damn, you didn't think, this is my idol. I'm rubbing my head. Okay. And then you said until N-R-E album, because, mind you, Worry Board came out, and you said, I didn't understand you in the Worryport.

And then, and then N-R-E album came out, and he was like, then I went back and I revisited everything, and now I understand who you are. But then, you know what my record? reaction was because I was just so offended because you're like my favorite rapper. So I'm like T.J. Swans, the man in the juice

crew. You don't remember I told you that? No. Pettigate, mafia. No, but you know, it's like... You look at me and you was like, this dick is good. That's the exact word. He was like, he's good. He's good. You know, you remember T.J. Swan? Oh, yeah. What happened to T.J. Swam?

No, no, no. We're not leaving this conversation. Okay, all right. I can't get away with it like that. Listen, first of all, let me explain something to you. It's amazing that you remember that. Yeah, I do. Listen. I met my eye on.

Many kids. I'm not going to begin. Understand what I'm saying. I knew what you. Because it's like this here, you understand. It's like with me, because of the way my ears are trained, I'm always listening, like, lyrically first. Right.

And it's like When I'm sitting there I'm like, yo This dude got some shit with him And then I'm watching the way people respond to you and I'm like And it's like and I'm like, yo This is dope

This is dope Because you see you got to understand It's like the element that you created Right Was something that was so fucking needed It's special education Resource Room No, but understand me.

We had special education with special ad, but we didn't have resource rooms. But understand me. What you did was something that was so fucking needed. Because it's like this here, how tough can you be? How fucking tough can you be? At some point, if you're that goddamn tough, then you shouldn't be listening to music. Music is relaxing. Music is fun.

You're right. And you made it. where the most thugged out tough nigger could enjoy himself and have fun. That's the reason why, when I did my history, right, one of my favorite artist was Biz Marky. Not lyrics-wise, not music content, but as far as having fun, like Biz said, what he said, He'll stick a nose up his nose He'll stick a finger up his nose And put it on the basketball

And passing the cane Yeah And passing the king Like that shit You wrote that letter? Yes I wrote that I knew you wrote that letter That's when

You know I ain't nobody Get a deal or that So when I'm writing with him I'll make sure I'm missing my ass And that's it a caveat No But that's the crazy shit was I had really

and did my research and I was like I said you know what nobody has fun like Bismarck anymore like in this in this day and time and nobody don't have fun like I'm probably the only emcee that embedded

what Bismarck represented like he just had fun and everybody laughed at him and they tried to make fun of him and I don't give a fuck if you laugh at me and try to make fun of me I'm representing hip-hop you really

bridged the gap and you did something special. Thank you. I mean, because it's like, yo, you're having fun. You got a dance track. You're sitting there, what, what, what, what, what, what? And a chick, you know, and you're spitting gangster stuff,

but it's in a party-type flow. Ah, god damn, me. You know what I mean? So it's like you, you, you're creating a whole new, Lane. You're making the toughest thing in the world. It's blowing up my whole shit right now. Now, he's taking it. He brought a whole shit right now. Let me change the subject

before everybody's stuck out and wonder what I'm doing. Kane, I broke it down. God damn. So, Kaye, have you ever looked at rap and you was disappointed at one point? Like, I mean, maybe it's the error right now or weird. Because at the end

of the day, Kane, we can't take away from the fact that you're, if not if you're king, you're one- of the kings. So there's a lot of people who can't have opinions or nowadays hip hop or middle hip hop or later hip hop, but you're, fortunately, is one of the people that can have an opinion on any version of hip hop.

Have you ever looked at hip hop and was just like, damn? Was ashamed at one point? Yeah. Yeah? What point was that? Um, right now. right now what about right now

let me just say this I think that there are so many talented artists out there right now um Jay Cole Bigamam Logic

Kendrick Sammar Kendrick Lamar Um Rhapsody Rhapsody Rhapsody Chaw There's so many

um Remy Muh Well, Remimo, I mean, well, Rememore ain't really, no, she's not new. No, but let's give Rimbaugh all up, too. No, but I mean, you know, she's still shining. Yep. But, I mean, as far as the new generation, there's so many out.

There's, there's a lot out here. Got it. What's this, Khan, Con, John Conner? No. West Side Gun. Joey Badass. Conway and West Side Gunn. Yeah, Joey Badass.

Yeah. But you see, here's my thing. There's a lot of. other artists that's out here that's shining and I mean I wish them continued success

I don't want to hear that um little Yadi or little what is it little whatever yeah

I don't want to hear that they broke and you know they fucked up I want to you know know that They're safe and they still make your money. Right. I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you. There was a time, you know, the late 90s, you know,

thanks to motherfuckers like you, the shit got fucked up for me. You know what I'm saying? So you fell out some hard times. Yeah. Right. But, you know, it came back around and everything is good. And, you know, with that came knowledge of, you know, how to manage your money.

How to manage your money. Yeah. The right things. You know what I'm saying? Right, yeah. So it's like with the young cast today, I want to know that they're going to shine that, you know, even if their career don't last as long as, you know,

as mine or as yours or whoever, that they can still, you know, make money and do something lucrative. You know, I don't want to hear the stories about them going broke or where they now. He's, you know, I don't want to hear that. I want to see them shine. So I wish there was that bridge

where we can connect with them. You know what I don't want your spotlight? Right. Like, I love going into a supermarket and someone, Big Day came, right? Why I drop off your music, man? You said, such, such, say, hey, good to me. I love that shit.

I don't want you in the supermarket screaming and yelling and trying to go. No, I can't get the shit I need to do. I got to fucking leave now. I like the piece of surroundings. I enjoy it. So my life is good. I don't want your spot.

I don't want to make that return to the top. I mean, I'd love to make another album, you know, something that people would appreciate, you know. I mean, that would be cool, but I don't need to be who I was in 88. I did that, and it was fun. I like coming home to my family now.

It's a beautiful thing. That's what I like. Some cool things talk about right here. But what I did back then was amazing And I'd love to tell you how I did it Give you the blueprint so you can do it and walk that walk I'm not your enemy I'm your friend this is my message to the younger generation

Regardless what anybody tell me I'm not your enemy I'm your friend I sit and chop it up with you I tell you what's really good How to be what you need to be how to separate yourself from the bullshit and establish yourself as a a star. Right. You know what I'm saying? And you don't have to put me on nothing.

You don't have to put me on one single track. You don't owe me nothing. I don't want nothing from you. I just love hip-hop. Was that how you was with Jay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's how I was with Jay. Oh, dirty bastard, positive K, Shahim, and anybody else I fucked with throughout my career. Right. Real nigger Kane. What King stand for again? Oh, King Asiatic, nobody equal. King Asiatic, nobody equal.

King Asiatic, nobody is true. God damn. Say something, man. Things you did, I remember running around 88, 1988, 1980. I was born in 77, but I used to run with a dude name, Hey Hart Tar, had an 88, 89. We had a red jacket. with the white convertible top and the white cream seats in there and motherfucking the vanilla pine trees you know the shit the

air freshenness the air freshenness and that's all we would do you just run around from 88 899 just run around listen to your music and the fact that I could come here with you tonight and honor you and salute you and tell you face to face man, man, that you're the man your guy that helped raise

probably 95% of people in this building because they got people like twin and them they, look at the difference. You see that steroid twin? That's another twin. And you helped raise us.

And there's nothing more that we want to do is to continue to support you. And when you're going tall, you hit me and EFN up, let us talk about it, let us blow it up because there's a lack in our society. When I say society, I mean hip-hop, meaning that when a person gets of age,

they want to treat them like milk and have an expiration date. Sure you're right. And I've got to be the opposite of that. I got to use my power. Like Eminem used his power recently to refute racist

and he used his white privilege to fight racism I got to use my quote unquote privileges to still be relevant to show people why I'm relevant

because there's people before me and there's people who paved the way that I respect and that will always be above me to me

I don't give a fuck what I do I can never be Big Daddy King I don't give a fuck what I do I can never be Rick. I don't get a fuck. What I do? It can never be

Rock Kim. I can never be EPMD. You guys would help pave the way for me. So as long as I got this platform, you motherfucklers will always be above me in that situation because we love

you and we're going to continue to motherfucking represent our legends right here. That's love you. Right here. We don't give a fuck. This is what me and this motherfucker right here, out to Duke. You see his beard is very destructive.

What the fuck he wants to do? I offer him just for men. No, I offered him just for men. We try to get just for men ads. He don't give a fuck. He's just like, I'm just going to be who I am. And that's, and you know what? I was just in D.C.

last week for Donnie Simpson 40th anniversary. The BETT nigga with the good eyes? Yeah. You got good eyes. Everett, Aylivert, told me that I need to get me some just for men. Oh, shit.

I'm saying, you're 70, who are you fooled? Like, I'm 49, you gotta be like by 70. Who the hell we fooled? Right. We ain't fooling nobody. Oh, yeah, his shit is slick dyed and slick to the fry, sticks to the side? Well, I mean, listen, before you, no, no, no, it's like you said.

Keep in mind, I mean, who had, a sharper hairline and beard than Gerald Leverb. Okay. Had that Beijing? No, I think Gerald Levert was, because Joe wasn't that old. Joe, you know, Joe was young when he passed. Hey, Joe wasn't that old. I think that was just a blah.

Bob. I don't know. Nothing. Beijing didn't even exist. Right. Yeah. Beijing didn't exist. I feel like, I feel like King got a Bobby Brown story before we get out of here.

You got a Bobby Brown story. Bobby Brown? Mm-hmm. I mean, I got a whole. bunch of Bobby Brown. You know, like, you know that, that... We're here for Body Bragg Stories, King. Give us... Give us the best one.

Give us... That was... I mean, nah. You gotta stop doing this, game. Nah, I'm not in a... Why, you don't do that either? I'll tell you. I'll give you my most mature

Bobby Brown story. I've never heard it. That's a good. But I'm in. We have cleaning and Bobby Brown stories. A Wendy Williams. Nothing started with mature. Oh, Wendy.

Good. A Wendy Williams party. Cool. And we were performing. This was the year that Trace songs that just came out. And me and Bobby was performing for a Wendy Williams party. And, you know, prior to the party, we opened the VIP just kicking it. And, like, I had like a great.

and I had it, you know, sitting up on this thing behind me. And some dude came and sat up on the thing on my mink. And he just did, just chilling. But I didn't see him, you know, I'm, you know, doing what I do. I didn't even see him. Bobby saw him. And Bobby just snaps. So I'll come over there like, yo, he, you know, he's like, yo, motherfucker.

One you, and dude is like, you know, I apologize. I'm like, no, no worries, no worries, don't worry about it. And I moved it, pushed it a little further back up in the corner, and whatnot like that. And Bobby just like, yo, the fuck happened to you, man. You cool with that? You just going to let that shit, man?

I'm like, Bobby, man. We're grown men now, man You know I don't feel like fighting in the club over a men cold You don't want to let it ride Right Alright, nigga

Yeah, he was like Alright, nigga Bobby Because you know, it's like I don't know if you know Bobby if you rock with him Bobby Wild Boy, man Yeah, wild boy

Wild boy And he wanted to give homie the beats Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, no Bobby's ready to let his hands go over my coat. Not his coat, my coat. Bobby very let his hands go. It's like that's what I always be,

because it's like we've always had so many good times. And all the more, normally wild ass ridiculous times. But I mean, this is just one of the movie who was like, no, no, I ain't fighting this motherfucker. Let's go. Let's be cool. Before we get about it, King, what's the one thing you miss about? hip-hop did you wish hip-hop still just

had? The one thing I miss about hip-hop is variety. I really miss that. I really miss, you know, you know, just people just viving out

on so many different things for so many different reasons. You know? Because, I mean, you had your audience that was fascinating. by drugs and players shit that wanted to rock their truck jury you had your audience that was fascinated

by conscious stuff that wanted to rock leather medallions you know and kente cloth and things of that nature you know I mean it's like you know you you had you know generation that you know that with the East Coast where I mean you know it was like

you know how we we We looked at easy-eating them dudes as weird-looking dudes with the Jerry curls. Like you're wrong. We didn't understand that. Yeah, but, you know, then when I went to L.A. and I'm at a gas station

in a fucking, in a red feline suit, and I get approached by a bunch of crips, they don't, you know, blow my goddamn head off because I had a flat top. They didn't recognize me as Big Daddy Kane. One of the dudes said, yo he must be one them New York

no you know East Coast dancing niggas that's what he said he must be one of East Coast dancing niggas because I mean they had me it was nothing I could do I mean it was about

10, 12 of them that just swarmed on me out of the crib There's a gas station you said? Out of gas station I'm pumping gas I'm out there and I'm like in like maybe like a rental

bins bawling pumping gas and a red feline and a red feline sweatsuit in Crip territory. I had no idea. They had me.

There wasn't nothing I could do. You remember where you was at? We used to Baldwin Hills? I don't remember exactly. Okay, good. I mean, wherever I was, yeah, it was like, you know, they had me. You know, if they wanted me.

I was there for the taking. I mean, red feline sweatsuit, red feline, and, yeah. And they pulled the one, yeah. They saw the flat top and it was just like, and they heard, I guess, heard my slang. They're like, man, you know, no, man. you know what go ahead homie he probably one of them each coach dancing niggas you know but i mean

it's like that's that's what that's what made it dope because you know it's like you know um easy e king tea you know ice tea shout out to king too yeah they all had you know their story and hip hop you know that was different than ours man i mean it was like that variety that variety ain't there no more, man. Everybody, you turn the radio on. It sounds like a 24-hour song. A marathon. No, not a marathon.

It sounds like a 24-hour song, like the same song. Right, right. Last for 24 hours. That one song. So do you think that is the best... Beth, I'm fucking drunk now. The best era hip-hop do you think is...

Like, what is the best era hip-hop in your opinion? No, no. Okay. Well, he asked me... earlier, I chose that late 80s as my favorite era. Favorite, but what do you think is the best? I don't know. Because you see, I respect that. It's like I got a lot of respect for the mid-90s as well because Puffy did something

amazing in the mid-90s because in the early 90s, hip-hop started to do this. It started transforming this whole gangster thing. the West Coast started doing the gangster. The East Coast started following in, too. And everything just became so gangster. Right. And it was like, you know, you go to a party. Like, I hated it.

Like, I started flying to Chicago going to stepping sets. Oh, shit. To have a good time. Because I couldn't enjoy myself in New York. Chicago is the most dangerous place on the planet. No. Yeah. But, I mean, I was, I'm talking about, you know.

I mean, probably even then, too, but. Well, not. But early 90s, I'll go to a stepping set just to have a good time. Because I go to a party in New York, and it's like, you know, you look, and the kids in the crowd just,

ain't, nobody want to dance. Everybody's from a screw face and barbed their head. I'm like, I can come here for that. Chicks and chicks dressed like dudes. You know,

nobody wants to put no sexy shit on. Like, you know, like, I'm not fucking your ass ass with no, no, no, no, no bandan on your head.

You're not doing a party, right? We thought that was sexy. That's the ginkster bitch, Aaron? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought she was got sex. It did nothing, you know,

it's like I didn't get it. You know what I'm saying? I didn't get it. But did hit his dude Puff, he takes like Biggie and the locks and he's like, okay, I tell you what. Go ahead.

Talk your gangster shit. But do it over this discopee for me. So now all the people that love, all the thugher, stuff, you get to hear it. People who love the party

got something to dance to. Right. So he figured out a way to make the two mesh where you can be as gangster as you want but the people who want to have a good time of the party can still party. I never thought of it like that. That's dope. Yeah, right. So I got a lot of respect for

what Puff did for hip-hop in the mid-90s as well because he created some shit where it's like you got gangster rappers spitting their gangses shit over disco and club party beats. So it's like, you know, even though I may not be in the move

to stick a nigga up or sell a bunch of keys or nothing of this stuff, that's beat rocking like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, that era, I thought was great too. Okay, let's make some nice. Man, I can't thank you enough. We're coming out, hanging out with the drink champs. And we're trying to take you to wood.

Tavern. Let's go. Come on. That would be amazing if Big Daddy can't go to Wood Tavern with the drink champs. Yeah. Well, folks. We can have one drink. One drink, one drink.

Never have so few, so much or so many. But, yeah, man. Respect. Yo, man. I'm going to show you. Everybody and this motherfucker make some noise for Big Daddy. Got to interrupt for a second. Make sure everybody out there knows where to get some drink champs merch.

A lot of people hit us up all the time. Kind of not sure where to get it. There's a couple places. You can go to drinkchamps.com. You can go to 8 and 9.com, and you can actually get it on Amazon.com. So make sure you pick up Drink Champs T-shirts, hoodies, cups, shot glasses, all of that. Head out to drinkchamps.com, 8 and 9.9.com, or Amazon.com.

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