Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Brand Nubian | (Ep.69)

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary Brand Nubian!Hip-hop royalty Brand Nubian steps up to the table for a raw, uncensored sit-down that’s full of classic culture and unfiltered truth. Lord Jamar and Sadat X rep for the legendary crew — talking about the early days coming up together, how they first linked with Grand Puba, and what it was like stacking those timeless records that helped shape the sound of ’90s hip-hop.Over drinks and laughs, they unpack the group’s journey through the industry, navigate through some of the controversies that followed them, and reflect on the brotherhood, the battles, and the legacy they’ve built.Whether it’s stories about the studio, the streets, or the culture at large, Brand Nubian brings a blend of wisdom, humor, and perspective that’s both enlightening and entertaining.If you’re a fan of hip-hop history, real talk, and the kind of conversations that only happen when legends get honest with each other, this episode is a toast to one of the most influential crews in the game.Make some noise for Brand Nubian !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on March 17th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's your boy, N-O-R-E. What up is DJEFN. And this Drink Chats, Motherfoney podcast, makes up no! Now, when it comes to legends, we have the legend, legend, legends in the building. We have people who I personally grew up. listening to idolizing, trying to dress like them, trying to be like them,

you know what I mean, trying to be sharp like them, trying to be smart like them. These guys have still, they're still heavy on the internet. You can see them all the time. They're out there. We got two of them.

I was hoping to have the all three, but we got two and we ain't mad. We're going to give the other, we're going to still praise the other brother like he's here. And right now, who am I talking about? Motherfucking,

brand newbie is in the building. It made some no. Yeah, y'all all from New Rochelle? Yes. Okay, originally. Born in the Bronx. Okay. Both born in the Bronx.

Okay. grew up in Nurechelle. Mm. I believe Puba was born in Nurechelle, grew up in Nurt Shelf. Okay. So how did this start? How did this, um, uh, y'all get together and say, I'm going to be a three-man group. Well, y'all rhyming individually?

Yes. Okay. All right, put us on. All right. Well, basically, long story short, Puba had a green. called Master of Ceremonies back in the days. Okay, and they had like two, two hits cracked out and sexy. Okay, but did italy, diddley, diddy, dittily, dittily, Dittaloo, Dittaloo,

you know what I mean? That was the joint back then. So whatever, back in those times, he started working with me as a solo artist. Then he started working with X as a solo artist. And he was not yet a producer or not like that. Well, kind of. Yeah, kind of. You all I make beats, you know, how to play and all the instruments and all of that.

saying a little bit. He was drum programming and all of that. He the one actually taught me how to produce, like how to listen for the loops and all of that type of shit. So, you know, long story short, I used to go to the shows with him and all of that. In the back of my mind,

I'm like, nigga, kick your cousin out the group. I want to be in this little master's circle. Yeah, because I felt like his cousin wasn't nice enough to really. He was a good dude. I love him. Shout out Dr. Who. But he wasn't, you know what I mean? You can tell you wasn't about that life, really. He just

was doing it. So whatever, they broke up. I remember we walking through the mall one day and he's kind of like, damn, I don't know what we should do. I said, yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. And I say, yo, we need to meet you and an ex.

We need to make a group, son. You know what I mean? Because it'd be better than trying to shop three deals and all that. We just make a group on some three MC shit. Word! Now, I don't know when he's. He hit him about it, but he hit him And what years is around? What time?

88, 88, late 87, 88. Yeah. Who came up with that name, Brandoobian? We'll see that. We had a little name Session. We see, because we We shot hip-hop.

Brand-newian, you know what that? We shot for a deal with no record and no name. What? Just like, Okay, because the nigger Puba, you know, he had motherfuckers open from sexy

and cracked out and all of those. Those were big records in New York and a little bit nationally. So he was able to call up record companies and be like, yo, it's grand Puba, I want a meeting or whatever. We walk in there, no music. So we did a few of these,

you know. What were you all saying? Would you all fit for them or something? Yeah, no. Yo, I think we just went in there. Whatever the fuck he was saying. He was the little niggas at that time. He was a little older than us.

So he was following this movie. Exactly. Big avid. So he does this. So we go to Tommy Boy. Dante Ross is there, you know? And he's like, yo, Puba, I love you. I'm with whatever you doing, blah, blah, blah.

He's like, but yo, you know, I need to hear your guys or whatever, you know. He's like, so, you know. make a demo or something and come back. So we was like, all right, you know. It took us like two weeks to like scrounge up the time, up at Jazzy J. Studio, Strong City Studio, up an Alton Avenue in the Bronx. Just chilling in the studio waiting for the niggins to finish their sessions.

Wait a session. And then see if a nigga feel like doing shit. Letting us even play records in the motherfucker. You know what I mean? So, bomb, finally we get the song done. We go down there. It's one song. All right.

We play the shit for him. He's like, oh, this shit is crazy. This is Tommy Boy, people. Oh, no, this is... Well, this is... We're at Tommy Boy. Dante Ross was at Tommy Boy. And so at that point, he was like,

yo, well, I just got a job at Elektra. Like, I want to bring you all over there. Like, you know what I mean? You know, first this is a bigger label, da-da-da-da-da. We was hyped off the Tommy Boy shit. Like, De La Sol was there at that time. Like, they was popping. Like, you know?

So we was like, all right, fuck it. And he was like, all right, but, you know, so what's y'all's name? And we just kind of... We looked at each other, yeah, all right, we're going to get back to you like that. We went back to Strong City, had a little naming fucking session. We came out with Yale. Newbian four, so all kind of crazy.

Y'all knew you wanted to stick with the Nubian because. We wanted some, yeah, some like positive, conscious type of shit. Y'all came out on the era where, like, that was kind of like the thing to do, like, to be, to have, to have knowledge of self. Yeah, but see, but we wasn't doing it for that. Probably because you were, but ain't it funny how. there was actually an era where knowledge itself was actually flying. And it can't be again. It definitely can be again.

And it was brother because it was like real niggas was having knowledge or something. Like even though they was doing their bullshit like the street niggas, Jesus. And you were scared us. I have knowledge yourself. Boy, you know, all the figures. Yeah. Okay. So now, yeah, I just, your name, you're thinking about naming yourself.

Yeah. And so we came up with the name up there that night. Brand new. Brand new. That shit still just sounds so fly. And then, you know, it's crazy? It's not only that Brand Nubian just sounds so, like, distinctive, right? But then their individual names is dope.

Lord Jamar. Sadat X and Grand Puba. Like, how the fuck did he come up with that name? What does that mean? He was Grand Puba Maxwell. Grand Poober Maxwell. Since back in the days when we was kids, like, like I said, he's a little bit older than us. So Grand Puba Maxwell was like a, he was like a famous MC.

new role before he even made records. Like, I know niggins that had flyers of him take to their wall and all. Like, he was like Grand Master Kaz of Nershell back in the days, you understand? At that time of cold crush and all that type of shit, you know what I'm saying? So,

yeah, that's just, I don't know how he fully got that name. I think there is a story about it, like, you know, because the Flintstones, there was a grand pool ball on there, some shit in the lodge and some shit like that. Yeah, there's some shit. You know, it was, remember, it was, I remember I first seen, like, when he had the flyer, like, he was on a man, remember man diplight?

Man dip light was a main flyer person who made all of them hip-hop flyers. Promoter. Yeah, he was a promoter. And if your face got on one of them flyers, that meant something after that. He got on a dip light fly? Yeah, he was on that shit. I seen that shit, was like, okay. So now, what was the first record where y'all thought it was like, man, this is it? This was the first record that it broke out for y'all and it worked.

What was the record? When you knew it? Feel so good. Were you? Feels so good. Okay. I don't remember that one. Yeah, see, we had a first...

See, they gave us a single deal, and they said, all right, if you like it, if this shit goes, then we're going to give you an album. So we put out a record called Brand New Being on the A side. Okay. And then the song called Feel So Good on the B side. Now, in the beginning, we kept getting plagued with, like, using the beat and other niggas using it. Whoa.

Before we get a chance to put the shit out. Oh yeah. So it's like the same of a full on beat. Oh, hold on. You got, you, that joint, don't let it go into your head. Right. You had that. It's a crazy shit, right?

I had that on the War Report album, right? And I swear to God, this is a story, I swear to God, I have Capone, I kid you not. I played a record. I had on that joint, do-to-do-do-d-d-d-d-tete that beat, but what I was saying on the beat was, I'm leaving on the next plane, I don't know where I'll be,

so the shit, nor do we know this, nor do we know that. I had it on there. I had it for the War Report, right? And Tras, on the phone said, yo, that's dope. And Tras walked in the studio, and he was like, you think you pop daddy, man?

You sampling records? He's like, this shit is whack. This shit don't sound. And I was like, wore her and I never put the shit out and the next week these motherfuckers dropped their fucking shit

you're right I was my bad I just I just got out of the act The song we got the demo for It was called I ain't going out like that We sampled some James Brown shit We think you know that's gonna be popping By the man Kumodee puts out

I go to work Yeah I mean It wasn't as raw as our shit But it was the same Sample and if you remember Coombo D was the mean Yeah, it was him and out of that. We're not battling against that.

You know what I mean? So then we ended up picking these next two singles. And like, so we had the cameosos and Nubian. Suppose that? Nah. What's the world? That's all the time. So now, so now,

your man, Heavy D ended up using that beat. So that kind of fucked that one up too. Then we had to feel so good, B. And then we had to feel so other niggins. Right, but they sampled it a little different. When you say it happened to be, you're saying sample-wise. They're not saying the same example. Right. But everybody sampled it in their own

way. So these were all variations of the same shit. So now I remember they was playing the niggas who had I feel so good doing the bag. They was playing their shit like every day. You know, whenever they play new records of some shit, so I'm like, I'm hearing the shit, come on, I'm getting hype. I'm like,

nah, that's not my shit. And then, and then And finally one day they played their shit And then they played our shit Right after that And that's my word from that day on They ain't never played them niggins shit I can't turn it's nasty

I know the niggas is like Yo that was me But who was the first brand new being hit Where it went like national Like When you knew that This was bigger than New Rochelle This is bigger than a New York thing

I mean wake up was big I mean everything was See, when the album came, it was the album. It wasn't just one song. It was the album. What's the fucking album came out? It was like, oh, we fucking with y'all. Now, slow down.

Where was y'all at when you? That's one of the last songs we recorded. The last song. We had problems with that song. You couldn't get away that first. Like the sample, getting the right drums with it. Couldn't get it right. Get the fuck out of it.

It wasn't looping correctly. Who produced that? Who produced that? We did. I heard direct what it was. Yeah, he came with the evening. You remember they used to play them video shows at night, and I seen the Edie Backel.

Because remember, we put that out when her song was still out with the shit. Right, right. And I heard it one night, and I was like, yo, that's the sound kind of right. And I went and bought the 45. And I remember we fucked with it at first, and somehow we couldn't get it right, and we said, fuck it.

We went to do the rest of the album. That was the last. Because remember it was out there? It was the last story. Let's fuck with that. Let's try it. That shit is dope. And then somehow somebody had the right drums that day.

That's it. And then we started putting horns and shit to it at the end. That was it. It's like, all right, go home, write your shit, come back, put it down. And that's what the fuck happened. Now, awful one. Bratlupe. I knew it.

Aw for what? Bray. I knew that was. From the crinkle. When I first heard the beat, I was like, oh, this? If they don't like nothing else, they don't like this. How did we get under that record start? I hear this.

To be the singing on. With the cracker pop. And that's when we used to walk around. We used to have the records with us. Because I remember Cuba had that record with us. And we, that was it with the crackle with the snap pot, crack on pop from the beginning on it. We didn't take none of that shit out of it.

What y'all the first three-man group? No. Treacherous Three. Oh, that's right. Kind of motherfucker's back. Shh. Yo, y'all back there.

We can hear you. Relax. Yeah, it was a couple. Well, we talk a three-man emcee. Oh, three-man. You know what I mean? There's been three-man. That's true.

Three-man MC's treacherous three was the first one I could think of. Five. There's definitely been others. We marked it. And the locks, that's like, that's, to me, Yeah, like the day from Westchester, I feel like the next generation of us. That's a great way to look at it.

They'll tell you where. Yeah, they're, yeah, they're, that's a great way. And I can see alignments in each one of them too. Now, all of y'all was, um, five percent? All three of y'all? I was five percent first. But, okay, wow. Then around the time that we started doing the album, Puvag, our knowledge, from my right-hand

man, see. Drop trust me to the mic. No, I'm saying try to speak to the mic, my bad. X had knowledge prior to that, but then I don't know what happened. I mean, he just wasn't running with the right guards or whatever the case may be. So he kind of might have straight away. But he was calling that. He knew, you know what I mean?

He knew the science. For the young kids that don't know, we talk about this is a way of life. Five percent. Yeah, five percent of the nation. So, so, but Puba, his family came up in like Black Panther type. Wow. Yeah, background and shit like that. Like, Nourichelle got a lot of real, like, revolution.

Sheld was Graham Jones. He from New York Shell. Yeah. We got a lot of revolutionary energy up there. Black Stage used to be up there. Amphlets and all that type of shit. Like if you read certain biographies of people like some of them stayed in their shell while they was, you know,

hiding out type of shit. Farrepoon had a crib in their shell at one point. Wow, I never knew that. Ozzie Davis and Ruby Dee lived in like right behind. But why was it so important for people to have knowledge of self? back then? Like, what, was that

like a standard? Was that like the norm back then or? No, it's not necessarily the norm, but, you know, to me it gave you an edge over everybody else. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it gave you a mental edge. Everybody else is out here, you know, on their wisdom, knowledge, shit, and you're in their knowledge,

wisdom, you know, thinking before you move. They're just moving before they think, you know, but nobody's teaching them to think before they move. Can't five percent nation of Islam? can it come back to the forefront like because I feel like bloods wouldn't exist in New York City if the five percent was as strong as it was in the 80s and in the 70s and and you know what I mean I don't feel because like you know it's crazy sometimes I go to Harlem and I see a hood with all blue on and it's like that used that I never saw that back in the days and then we'll go and then we'll see

a hood all for the red and it's like it's kind of crazy for this to be New York City, but I just don't remember. I remember back then you had to come, you had to know your lessons. You couldn't come outside without knowing today's mathematics. You had to wake up in the morning and, you know, try to be, you know what I'm saying? Like, try to be something.

And nowadays, it's just like the more ignorant you are, the more people who are. Well, see, the differences back then, like, that you had the alpha males, you know what I mean? Who is the gods? Like, you know, so they're the ones everybody looked up, look up to. Right.

They want to be like that. So if they're into it, you won't be into it. So that's really all we got to do is just get the young alphas with the ones with the piece of magnetic to make the other ones come in and say, okay, I want to fuck with this. You can't make a seem salt. That's right, called bringing no gods back. Yes, yes. You got, at some point they try to make conscious music or whatever seem like it was salt. And that's what makes certain people not want to fuck with it.

Right. Like, and that's some bullshit. It ain't nothing soft about it. Let's make some noise for that, God damn. Goddrey. Goddney. What one of y'all was dating Mary Jay? Did one of y'all take Married Jay?

Oh, shit. Ah. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't any of him. It was like that. All right.

I never saw it with my eyes, but, you know. It was rumors. Some real shit. I was. Never went to me anymore. It was rumors. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We would do swords to us. Nobody listens to us. Nobody's going to hear. Well, I just want you all to know, you know, we started this because we wanted to preserve hip-hop. This guy, I know this guy 20 years, he hates Serato. He hates, he likes Vite. I just like Vite.

He's a real, he's a real hip-hop dude. I'm talking about real, real, purest. and when we started this show we said we want to just continue to support our legends and we want you to know that y'all guys are hands down I look up to you guys

I still look up to you guys you know what I'm saying when I thought of a movie the other day I swear to God it was 5 o'clock in the morning I thought of this movie I had I already had the thing but it was I seen Daz

Dillinger post the 5% flag and for some reason I was like yo I gotta speak to the Lord Jamal and it was 5 o'clock in the fucking morning I did not expect it I said, yo, I'm doing the 5% movie. I need you down with me, you know, to do it. And he fucking was up at 5 o'clock in the fucking morning.

It was the weirdest thing. Oh, Word, I didn't even look at that. I didn't even look at it like that. Word was 503. So, you know, it actually is built to build him destroy. So we built him to destroy it at 5 o'clock in the goddamn morning. So, um, and he answered. And I just feel like that's one of the reasons, because I want to bring back the 5%.

Not saying that we went anywhere or anything, but I think that knowledge itself could help people. nowadays so and and and and and and an order to teach somebody some of the easiest way to teach people is through entertainment right now people they think they indirectly learn they indirectly learn when they listen to this podcast because i'm you know i'm always drinking i'm having fun i have fun of my artists but they don't understand that they they indirectly you know learning so what what the idea that i got we're going to make a uh a movie about the 5% and it's crazy as it was up at the time. We sat there.

And I knew, and I actually shared the idea with Saddam earlier, but Sadat, what do you think of that? I think it's good, man, because, you know, that taught you, like, to think, and you had to study. Whereas today, I teach in the school. I teach fifth grade, sixth grade,

seventh grade, eighth grade. Get out of there. I teach at the campus school in Brooklyn. Teach, teach, when you teach, powerpoint presentations and all. And it's like, back then, like, when we came up, like, you had to study and learn shit. Whereas these kids nowadays, I'm in

school, like, and I'm looking at these kids and I'm, like, messing with them every day, day to day. And it's like, you know, we did what we did, but we still knew how to read and learn. Like, a lot of these kids men, come up, they can't read. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, read. Like, read shit. I mean, the class, I'm like, what do you say? You know, and they know that I get on them. I'm like, yo, man, you're in here bullshit, and I've seen your test school. I've seen your test school.

You know what I'm saying? And they get mad at me. They come back to the internet like Mr. you shouldn't have said that. I said no. You shouldn't have said that. You know, my last one is open. I curse.

I do everything. I mean, like, you'll listen. Like, a lot of times they're like, I'm going to go tell my father you what, but tell your father that today you couldn't read this word right here also. You know what I'm saying?

So that taught you, that kept you on your square. You know, it gave you a sense of understanding of some way. That isn't a real school? A real school. Wow. A real school.

A real school. Word. I would like to go to go to this. I took them on the hip-hop tour. They said they wanted to record a song. I said, you want to record a song? I said, let me hear something. They spit it out.

I said, good enough. I said, I checked this out. Two days, I'm going to have somebody in here to record y'all. Two days later, I had John Robertson. He bought the portable recording. I said, now, listen, all that bullshit you'll be talking every day. It's going to be a lot different when you get in front of that mic. I said, we'll get five of y'all a chance.

three of them made here a couple of them they dropped off i said it's going to be a lot different when you get in front of that like you know who you are or not really what it is is i i never promoted that when i came in school because i didn't want to promote that i just wanted to come and teach him what i taught him where one day like a couple of them they come and they're like mr murphy my uncle said that he knows you or like with like you know with the low-life thing right there on st johnson right i'm right there i'm only jones that's that's that's one of the founding places. So when I went low every day, they make Mr. Murphy.

My uncle, he wears that stuff all the time that person, too, and he said he knows you. So that was the connection that we made like that. You know what I'm saying? So I taught him through that way, but like the 5%, like it taught you like a means of studying, a means of survival. You know what I'm saying? Whereas

that's lost nowadays, you know? Everybody's their heads down, and they're on their social media sitting. And it made you proud to be Yeah, exactly. Exactly. How did it get, you know, like, not Like, at some point in the school, it came where it's cool to be dumb. You know what I'm saying? Like, these kids, they don't know shit. And I'm like, yo, come on, man.

Like, we did what we do. We was much, you know, like, we didn't shoot each other in the back. Like, you know, this and that, but we threw up their heads. But, like, it's crazy, man. That's real right there. That's real. We definitely going to bring the 5% back. Now, stock, I'm noticing you drink your wine from the bottle.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know wine is supposed to be elegant. This thing You is gangstering That's the wrong one God damn This thing is drinking the bottle

On the bottom on the bottom I'm like As opposed to other motherfuckers Like this is true wine Connoisseau's This is our brand True Winecom You know

Go to that Get the wine But as opposed to somebody Like just throwing Their name on the label We actually did The Futation with this We started as a joke

We and my partner Will Tell over there You know what I'm saying We started as a joke And we used to get wines People used to send us One day, actually one day What happened was we used to drink

Man Hennessy in the studio Right So one day You know, it was snowing outside Nobody felt like going to the store To get no more Henny He got a bottle of wine We'd be playing

We drank it Somehow he posted it It went viral We did a couple of more like that People start sending us wine now to do Somebody said Yo if y'all ever serious About making your own shit

Get with me It was Uncle Gino You know what I'm So he got with us And we're gonna drink some white We're going to take some white. He showed us a new source and some wine, two wine kind of so. You got to open them?

You got to open them to open it? We can open whatever you want to. Some is open. Now, it looked like you need to open it. This ain't a twist off. Okay, yeah, yeah. This is how you know good wine. Yeah, it's a fish.

This is how you know good wine when you got to open it with a thing thing. You know what I mean? If you can twist off for now, I have seen some good wine that's a twist off. Yeah, yeah. I went to Mr. Tows one night. I swear to God, order this bottle, eight five bucks. 85 bucks it's a twist store

it's a twist store 85 bucks went to the grocery store in the morning she was 899 yeah and that's we're at 70 locations we actually know about the wine

my partner but will tell he got a job fucking with the wine so we got wine from Portugal where's it made where you're not making the wine we're making it out now well all the new Italian wines is from

the Veneto region of Italy So our last two was from Portugal and I'm Cushing Creeks This is what I'm talking about, man Oh you got the old for this is what I'm talking about You got a little bit Will tell? If you ever see this beer right here

This is you create of all the polo vans Right? Wait, what do you mean? All the polo bands Designed all the original designs For Thurston Howl's original project? All the low-light bands On a low-lestone.

This is not real polo? Well, I took the original bear. Oh, wow. And then I flipped it into thug fashion. Oh. That we put the polo-O-Rican patches on and all that. Right, Ralph Lauren. You got to cut us a check.

Give it the low lives. So that's dope, man. You got your own wine. We're going to keep it on the table just so you know. The wines that we don't drink, I'm a FedEx hit you to ourselves. Yeah, drink it out. And we're going to get you some tiger bone. Let's get some shots of Tigerbone.

And it's going to get you some box. You're going to get some box. We're going to loosen these legends out right now. Let's give us some Tiger Ball. See, now I'm going to have to get into the phone. That's a dummy model. I'm going to have to make a phone call. Right, right.

So now, Grand New being, y'all become stars. I want to describe these road trips that y'all was having because me and Pohn, Pone is my brother, but me and Pong can't be together for too long. We just can't. It's just, we're too alpha. It's two alpha. We just always clash.

Give us some real stories. I'm gonna just say one thing and I'm gonna let you Maudeau sweet is the power face. What? The power face. What is the power grip? Yeah, power grip.

We're not gonna get the power grip with something. Listen, in the beginning, you know, niggas sometimes would have to share rooms and shit like that, like a lot of times.

So this was my roommate right here. Okay. You know what I mean? And we got along. And who Alamo? How about Alamo? Alamo? Maybe he was in a room with Puba? Yeah, Pooba.

Yeah, okay. All right. Okay. Well, see. And the power grip, let's get to it. Well, see, because we have probably the more popping room. Mm-hmm. Whereas, you know, we probably have bitches and chipping-rots.

Let's just say, let's just make some noise and bitches. God damn it. Let's take it out of the Moshi Moshi. Moshi. Moshi. Sometimes you gotta do what you got to do because there's,

There's no space y'all is just in the same room, you know what I mean? So sometimes you know, check out of power brick pussy. You know, it's just like you know it's just like homie this is the only touch we doing. Not your foot, you have nothing else, don't touch but yeah. Do we got plastic? Come on. We need, we need nothing. Triced bone. We need, give us another glass.

Yeah, we need some bones. Get some tiger bone, baby. This is for the humps. The wigs. There's no more glasses? Wow. Come on, Jesus. That was just serious.

I don't know. I don't know what the fuck he just said. That's the barber. That's the job, no beat. You know what I'm sad? So, yeah, we was the popular ones. Yeah. A lot of things.

A lot of things. Didn't, um, didn't, isn't, isn't Happy D from New World Show? Oh, he's from Mount Vernon. He's from Mount Vernon. Now, describe Mount Vernon, New Rochelle Yonkers. Because y'all like your own barrels as well. My brother was like Christian bloods. Yeah, it was Christian.

Oh, yeah, no, yeah. Well, not really, I don't know how it is today. Yeah, yeah, but. See, it all stems from like sports and shit like that. Definitely. You know, Neurachel and Mount Vernon was always, like, in the championship for football. New Yorkercelle football, Mount Vernon, basketball. You know what I mean?

So now niggas is coming to the games and shit. You know what I mean? That shit was serious. It used to pop off. There used to be full, like, full gang fights. And I, it would have been like, Mawcings and Nogers getting stabbed or that type of shit. It was that type is, it was serious.

Yeah, that was a serious thing. Was there a story that inspired punk jump up to get beat down to roll? Well, one day, like, is that coming from something? Yeah, hers, two kids, soaking. Not, something really happened. Two kids talking? But actually, it was wise. Wasn't the wise that when we was trying to make the chorus up

or some shit that came up with that shit? No, sincere came up. Sincere. All right, sincere. To me, that was a crazy. Crazest records in it. He got the chorus from KRS 1, actually. What chorus?

Pumps jump up to get beat down. Oh, are we going there? I was waiting for this. I mean, there was a gap. He was like, punch jump. I was like, oh, yeah. whole gay community came at y'all. What was that?

Yeah, but see, wasn't even thinking about that. Because y'all wasn't talking about it. You didn't make it like. You just said, you just said, come up a fuck up. Right. You said, and see, all right, you know how a hip hop. You got train of thought, right?

Right. And you could jump around from train of thought. Right. So this one more. So this one more. No one. Fuck up a faggot. Yeah, I did.

Now, now, now, now, check it out. Hold up. I just forgot about. Now, at that point, when you say, fuck up a faggot, that's anybody. Anybody. Because you said, oh, fuck that faggagg. But then the next part that make you think that that was linked to this.

He said, don't know, because that's some rap shit, though. Was the next part? He said, don't understand their ways and I ain't down with gay. And listen, I'm tired of you taking that out of the shows, too. Yeah, I didn't say that, yeah. The version was a freak flop, flow. River ball. You fall into the pressure.

Yeah, but at least the gay people know that you showed up. Yeah, I mean, yeah, man. Now, this is Tiger Vaughn because you know a couple of games in Brooklyn. I went to a gay wedding one time. I heard you say that. We all got family. Yeah, I can't. I know what you're doing you name, Romel in Brooklyn,

that you fuck around, you put him in hands on you. You're gonna have a serious, you're gonna have some serious shit. Am I right? He's gonna have some serious shit. But I see him being straight dudes, shot me, shot me. You took your order? Yeah, I took my... Oh shit.

You're juice walking away. I had an instant that the juice bar I think the New York talking about it's worse Yeah, New York They all come from New York though Oh my God

Oh my God Man, man, that shit's staying right It ain't going to nowhere That she gave me the Yeah It's gonna go down to the day It's gonna drop down So who in the studio

When y'all were working Who's the most problematic Out of Brandon again? Poova! That motherfucker won't show up Is that what that one? Oh, this is what? We'll pay pool of all the famous for.

Because that chair's empty right there. Right. You should be here to defend you. All right, so. Let's niggas do shit like this. Guys, guys, y'all talking about this. But I'm going to be honest. This is your second world?

No, you can't rocket mortgage you. We're about to boot you out, boys. I was just saying we got injections. Y'all mad out. And he got on a turquoise hat. He got to relax. Ejections. All right, so.

So. Okay. Niggas found out that like the studio had per game. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, alright. Wait, you having another shot at all? I'm another one. I can't let you do that by yourself.

Yeah, we all got to go there. No. Yo, but you see a shot? Don't even look at a shot at the same thing. Sadat said y'all niggas is, you're like boys. Drink cam, do all, drink cams. A little bit. Very small.

Yeah, you got a LDDG. Wow, that's it. All right, cool. I want you. I want you. Oh my turn out of this. Not, Sadat me in the gym, early in the morning, too. You're like a five o'clock in the morning.

Oh, this, this, niggins. Oh, I forgot to do this. Y'all, ah, ah, ah, yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You want some guy. You want some terminology shit right now, so. So, so, so, sir.

I got to take this down and forget about it. So the homie, the homie, because we didn't even know this was the thing. Ooh. Once we found out. You can go to the studio and get money. Ooh. Alright.

What you mean to get money? Like, like, the food budget? Yes. The finale was the food budget. But this nigger would take whatever they had. Who? Whatever petty cash they had, studio's always had a petty cash box back. So if they had like $300, come up and like, give me that.

This nigger will come to the studio before anybody even get there, take all the petty cash and then come late. No, and it was like a job. That's not to grab a word. Where? He came a great race to the studio. And so now, that's your grand school. The first DMX got down. The great race.

We like, yo, you know, you know, where the petty cash? You want to get some cheese steaks or whatever. Um, Pumar came in. Grabber. He took all the cash. We like, what? We got started eight.

We hear eight. Like, he was over here. I'm going to be honest. To be honest, I never knew you could do that. I'm hated. Or, I'm going to tell you something. No. I can do something else.

shit. Let me say something. Oh, I'll send you some shit. Let me tell you some right here. Pooba was the master of the manual check from a label. Remember, like, some days he'd break up.

He made them write a check. We're going to go down to time. We're going to get 20 Gs today. Today. Today, right now. Because I'm bitching. It's like an ATS. And they make a man,

they had a manual check. He'd be like, watch this. See, he, see, he knows this. So I'm saying, he was a bad teacher. You understand what I'm saying? He taught us this business. He taught us this business.

it's wrong. You know, like, like, you know, we get a lot of shit on extortion and, you know what I mean? Intimidation and shit like that. Like, so this nigga be like, watch, we're going to get 20 Gs today. You know what I mean?

I'll be like, I do your thing. Let's do it. That nigga call up somebody. Yo, I need 20 Gs today. We want to be, we know, I'm about to get evicted. Yeah, we'll come up with all kind of shit. I'm about to get evicted, y'all. You're going to let me get evicted.

All right, fuck y'all. That's a man. Niggas get all scared and shit. Come on my bum. Here come to Czech. I don't care. You're talking to this. I'm like, yo, this is a bad motherfucker right here.

You must be still recouping all that shit. Well, we just used to have to race from New Roe to catch the bank. That was what it was. Catch the bank. Yo, we got to get down to town. Catch the bank. So now, what was your favorite label?

Electra. Because we were there along. And y'all was dead with Buster Rhyrs. Buster Rons. Well, they came right after us. Because we're saying we was the first ones out of that era to get us. signed directly to Electra.

And that's before it was We. That was when the Black Show was on his own. Who was it? This is beauty by. I forgot. Oh. I don't know. I want to say Atlantic. Yeah. And then they form We're going to, we after.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Warner Atlantic. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, now, what do y'all like better? Major labels or Independent? I'm going to say I liked major labels back then.

But now... That's a great fucking answer. Because they spent it in a million. Because they spent a million. They didn't have no clue. Why would you sign to a label now? They don't give you a lot. Exactly.

And they take everything. When I be here, niggas, okay, I'm getting ready to sign it. I'm like, knock a dogs, man. I already know. Like, you can front for me, man. Don't front for me. I'm going to order to do. See, when we signed, it was no 360.

And like, I'm sorry. As far as... What do you got to think about Chuck D? Chuck D. lawsuit against Universal because Universal when we when we all originally signed there was nothing called digital rights there was nothing called like you know the ringtone so Chuck D super for sued and he actually won because anything Chuck G. I'm you know he actually won but here's a deal like y'all albums is on

digital right now right your original contract never entitled digital so they owe y'all money how did you how do you have felt about that because think about it you y'all can go and get a check right now. One day, one day I'll be on that. What, you say? I'll be on that Monday.

Yeah, because No, Puma. Seriously, just think about it. I tell Puma, Puma Puma be in front tonight. Think about it. Your albums are on Dish tonight.

I heard some shit. You know, I'm going to call my girls. You know, Chuck D won his two because they don't pay us when we originally signed, we signed for hard copies, vinyl. It wasn't even, well, there was CDs, but Harcop was vinyl CDs, so it was

actual material. But now this digital rights is why is my albums up there? But see, you know, it's so funny, the record company always coming their ass because in all those contexts always says, the different configurations, cassette, da-da-da-da-da

or any medium created or in the future created. Like, that shit was in there for them. But was it in there for the artist? I don't look back at that. Chuck D. And sound exchange.

You can't forget about Saturday exchanges, well. Yeah, because when you got Yeah. Yeah. But that's not exactly.

No, no, that's separate. It's separate. All together. Now, what was the moment where you guys said,

you know what? We're stars now. What was that moment? Nigger, when we in fucking Harlem or 125th Street and every fucking

car that drive by is playing your album. Oh, yeah, I love that feeling. See, it'll never be like that again. I love it. It'll never be like that. that again in New York. Niggas don't understand. That's why they call us legend. Because we had a

legendary time when Brand Nubian was all that niggins was fucking with. Like street niggas, conscious niggins. Fucking. Everybody was fucking with this shit. Puck two Gs. Crazy. Lank quarters. Union square. And this is the days when, you know, 125th Street, you go out there two, three in the Niggers is tripled. Out on 120-fifty. Niggers, you get that.

Niggers are just standing on their cars, playing music, and everybody's playing your tape. And you know it's the tape because niggas got it playing from different parts. You hearing different songs coming out of different cars, but it's all just your tape. For me, it was when one time we went out to Cali, we was out there for about a month. About a month.

We went out for about a month. And when we came back, I remember when we were. was coming back and we went up town and I was hearing punk like people were telling me like yo they're playing a joint from y'all like punch him up and when we came back punch them up to get beat down that was a serious thing for us one more time one time y'all y'allie she was doing it with me punch them up and get beat up and we didn't so we was out doing like a promo tour and callie we was out there for a month we had a crib out there for a month I mean that was our victory song

punk step up? Didn't Martin Lawrence? He did do that? Yeah. He said, Punks to get beat down. We laid it on the shit. We got beat up by Tommy Huron.

Yeah. He told Tommy Hurons. We came back from the airport. We came back from the airport. I never forget. And I remember we went up town. God bless him that my man might pee. We went up town.

And I remember I was hearing, like, I heard the song. And like, where we go to hot pot? Yeah. And motherfuckers was playing the shit up and that. home, hot pot,

132, the location, gangster loo, mall style, all this, crazy, shout out. You were hearing that, and I was like, oh shit,

that was like, for real, like, we was hearing the shit. Was that y'all's biggest record? That was one of them. One of the biggest ones.

Yeah. And it was like, it was buckled because we came back, but we was gone for a month, but when we came back, it was like in 30 days,

that shit, that shit popped off like that. I was like, oh, shit. What's the die X favorite brand-newian record? I like a lot. It's like different.

Like, my favorite. Today, today, today. I can name a record called Off the Head that nobody would know about. You know what I'm saying? Straight off the head. Straight off the head. Nobody would know about that. But us, and that was some shit.

Some people actually, they really love it. There was some shit that we went to the studio and did straight off the head. The record plays. I was on the third album. Yeah, we went in there and just did that. Like, different joints, like, to me, like the mainstream joints, I love them. And those are my babies, but it was different, like side joints that we did. Was Lord Jamar for you the randomian record?

It's not just one record. I know just when you think. I'm going to tell you what I think the best album is. Okay. Was foundation. Whoa. A lot of people say that. See, foundation to me was the sonically the best.

That was the second album? No, that was the third album. That was the third. We got back together and he was on Arister. Because, yeah, I broke up at one point? Was that the one that had done it? Yeah. That album right there

That's a great job Like What's the name is the first album? Awful one Yeah Second one in God we trust I like the second one Then everything is everything

Then foundation Now that foundation to me Like it just sounded Pull up the first album Fucking niggas was spitting Like Seriously like that shit Niggas was writing like crazy

Like that shit was crazy right there. That album. What was what was initially the breakup? What happened? Was initially the breakup? What was it? It was a lot of things. The niggas going in the studio, taking a predium and shit. Shit like

that, that has vehicles. Before, like, let's say the studio was at 7. That nigger showed up in like 4. And we'd be there at 7. Like, all the and he already got the, he already got the people

in there, you know, Lightway scared of him or whatever, you know, he's gray and pool ball So when he walk in there, they're just ready to do whatever. So if he said, give me all that fucking petty cash, they fucking gave it to him. And then he was out. And then he was out and never come back. Word, you know, you come to work. And now we come to work and we think in the predium's dead.

At the time, at seven of that, slow down, slow down, slow down, we might be working for a while. I thought, I didn't think slowdown was on the first hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. Want for all, drop the pump, the second one, and the dog.

I was in, I was in, I was really, I like that son. That's the year. You like that? I'm going to get that 45. Got it. We sampled that off of 45. Were E. So what's brand newbie's biggest market? Like, like, like, like, like, like, other than New York.

Should we do, we, we, we, we ran through the south. North Carolina. North Carolina. I would have thought Philly because of, you were in the South. You know, I say, with the Muslim relations. And it's about that because, like, I love ATL and all that. But when we first came out, the niggas was still country now. It was country.

We ran through the South. We did. It was loving us in L.A. Yeah, yeah. Come on, come on. We got to some shit. We got to some shit in a niggas surrounded us in a second. Yo, yeah, hell yeah.

We was fucking with them Great Street. Oh, yeah. Big up Great Street. Like early. I'm talking But we had these niggas out there building Like Just imagine

I'll keep holding on Just imagine like 300 Gangsters In the projects outside Building on like Political shit They love me With Jerry curls and all of that

But they're talking about You know Some conscious shit They like They like them They're like And I know we went through them We went through the projects

I don't know If other nation went through the project They said we was the only ones. We were through there. They said we was in the Jordan Downs. They said we's the only niggas that came to the project besides Tupac. Word.

They said Tupac is the only nigger that came through that. We had so many niggas outside the fucking police sent the helicopter out there, shower light down. And we was out there building with gangbangers. We went with the Crips. They took us to the blood to the knickersons, niggins, nigger, because they had the troops. And we trusted them. Word.

And we went there with him. Cribs to the blood fucking shit. That's serious. You're talking about my niggins and guards. You're talking about my niggins and gathers. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We went with Jordan down niggins to the knickers. We was with the right niggins. I think that's where the truth were old over there. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out niggas for the projects, my nigga Nardo. Shout out my niggie. You know what I mean?

It was a couple of lids with hot top. He got killed. He got killed. Black and I'm proud. Hot towel. Hot towel. Hot top. Hot top.

Yeah. God damn it. Y'all niggas are some there. Huh? Yeah, let's pull up the fourth one, too. God damn it. Y'all, y'all so legendary, man.

This is classic shit for us. Now, I never asked y'all who's your favorite CEO. Did I? No, favorite CEO. Yeah, favorite CEO. Like, that got y'all

or that work with you, whether it's your solo careers or, yeah. Well, I can't lie. You know, a lot of people don't like this guy, but I learned a lot from this motherfucker. Where we go? Where we go? Where we go?

Is Leor? Yeah, I ain't gonna'all. Lear Cohen, man. I learned a lot of... Well, y'all was on death jam as well? No, we was on Rush Manor. Oh, that's correct. It was wonderful.

That was the... Elizabeth Street days. Before Barric Street. Before Barrett. I have no idea this. The little... I'm learning. That was the real...

I'm still learning. That was the real... That was the real... That was the real... Jeff Jam. That was the real... Come on that thing. She coming.

Nick, we're standing outside. Is Bill Adler still doing publicity, though? Who? Bill Adler. I think so. Proudly. I think he was dead. Niggas like Todd Moskowitz might have just been coming around.

He was the intern. He was the intern. Get the fuck. This nigga was gave you a call. He's an intern. Like, you know what I mean? Todd Moskowitz, bring your ass on this show. Yeah.

Go ahead. So, but I'm saying that that spot was legendary. Like, we outside, because it was right off house to the shop. Hold on. Disrespectful. We outside. outside drinking 40s with DMC, we got a drink a 40 with DMC, I knew I made it.

They were, they didn't have the fetters and the Fetters and all that, you drank a 40 with DFC. We drank a 40 with DFC. Right outside Rush. Remember, at first, hip-hop, nigs had all the feathers and all the funny shit. Them niggas was the first things that happened. This was on Elizabeth Street, right around the corner from CBGB.

Word, right there. Right there. You want some Sadat wine? Yes, please. Yeah, take some of my ones. I ain't going to lie. We can't put, you're going to put it in a tiger bowl cup? No, no, this is a one.

It just might be. Two out of Towers. Right here. You can tell up in France, right? Lord Jamal. Yeah. You tell up in France, right? Larry.

Yeah. You remember? Yes. On the Wild Cowboys album. Who? Smoke a ball. Okay. Smoke a boat.

A Canelli. When Akenelli. When Akenelei, he had a little. Blum me up Saddam. is what I'm going to come to the rule No, no, no, this is real shit It's real, I can't really, you know That's my man, big him up

But I don't smoke, he don't drink And he used to take me on the road And he used to be like, no way, you can't smoke in the car. And I'm like, God, we took it 18 hours drive, and not only he don't smoke a drink, he just knows the soberest people in the world. So, everybody's sober,

and I'm like, I'm like, I used to see you talking, he's like, yo, we're at. Help me. Early morning, you know when you were the kids? No, I think jail. I feel like it's jail. Yeah.

From jail, like, from jail, you always want to be up early. See, I used to lead the line in jail. You know what I mean by lead the line? I was, like, the person that let, because I walked so fast. So the niggas were 20 years to life just be like, let that niggas leave the line. So it used to go from shortest to the tallest, but I was never the shortest. So I was never the shortest. So they used to be like, let this. And I just always said that.

My father was like, he woke up in the morning and jogged. Right. So I tried to inspire to be him, and I just tried to be active, and that's just how I developed that. But not only that, my hood is full of hustlers. Left Wreck City is full of hustlers from the lobby all the way up to the 18th floor. And I couldn't compete with certain people in Section 2 at that time, because people had better work than me. I was just, yeah. But what I noticed is I can kill them.

morning shift. I just, oh, geez, sleep, sleep, Nico under sleep money, amazing sleep, these guys are asleep. Hey, how I talk on them ain't coming out. I used to go, fuck it. I'm gonna take the morning ship, because I'm better.

I knew I had bad work. I knew it. You just, you just, you knew I had bad. I knew. Austin, I just did it wrong. So I used to try to go get Coke, and like, I knew a little bit of Spanish.

I knew enough enough not to get jerked. And I would come back, and I'd just be like, And that's how I developed my early morning shit. But to get back to Sadat's story, I used to be stressing with Agonelli. Because I put, help me put on. You know, I'm fucking, me when my mom's right.

He was like, he could not drink. He could not smoke. So I'm like this. As soon as we get to the town, I see, like, Saddam, Lord Chubal. I'm like, where are you like? Come on in the room. The niggins are smoking in the room.

I'm with these niggas on tour. But, um, so now. you guys have this breakup now is it is it is it is it because it's industry

or it's because you guys are friends prior to that and now when you got to put business first did that affect it it's a combination combination okay see I'm gonna tell you what I feel it is right

it's some ego shit right just that comes into playing with everybody Sadat I disrespect to your wine I'm so sorry. That she tastes like Tiger Bone, son. Put in the calendar. We got to wash this out, please.

This tastes terrible. Please, Diego, can you help you out? Because we got to wash the Tiger Bone out of that. That is this restaurant. Get it right. Fully respect. The way that tasted just now, that tastes it just now, that tastes like Tiger.

No, true wine. That's what I get my life. Tiger Mine. Yeah, Tiger, Tiger. Tiger's tail. But the break. Let's get back to that. All right.

Because we were all hurt. Like, we is what it is. And you know what's crazy? We didn't have the internet back then. So when we just see y'all wasn't together. And we sit, yeah, there's two of y'all. And we, like, as fans, I'm talking about. When I say we, I'm speaking as 100% as fan, this is not Norrie at all.

Well, it is Norrie. But I just was like, damn, I just couldn't, I couldn't fathom you guys not being together. So. See, I think it was a little bit of this, right? Like I said, Poobaa a little bit older than us, right? Right. So it was like he was the big homie. Mm-hmm.

At some point, when we got on, he went from being the big homie to like... Equals. We equals. Right. Now, sometimes it's hard for people to adjust to that. Mm-hmm. You see what I'm saying? You still want to treat me like the little homie, even though I'm not the little homie anymore.

Right. You know what I mean? So it's like... Very good. And I'm not going to allow you to treat me like a little homie. You know what I mean? Right. We drove a bus across the country.

Right. So we have to... Y'all drove it. Yeah, so. Across the country. Brother drove. What? I wasn't to a bus.

We drove a navigator. A navigator. No, we drove. Look at what we was in. A tour. Now, Texas was a hard thing. Texas was a hard thing. But I think it was a little bit of that.

Right. You know what I mean? You look at your little homie. Oh, that's the little homie. Not a little homie come up. There's a change in of the guard, but we don't always acknowledge that. Right, right. You see, so I think it was a little bit of that, you know, combined with knocking niggas in your ear, yo.

You know, you're the nicest. Now, it was you not speaking of Poo-Bos? It's usually a lot of that. Did y'all ever have a $400 as well or no? Me and him never. It was just y'all in Puba? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Cool.

And, you know, Alamo, like Alamo and my father. See, that brought us closer together. Yeah. My mom's the Alamo Pops. They grew up together in Lincoln Projects in Harlem. Oh, wow. My Alamo grandmother and my grandmother grew up Lincoln Projects in Harlem. When they had horse stables.

Oh, shit. We talk about like the $6. You already know. This is a twisted way. We talk about the 60s. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, kind of might have some secrets. Hey, we're going to take five, though.

I'm going to walk outside during this fucking interview. No, let's get. We have some more breaks. We do that all the time. Yeah, yeah, okay. We do all the time. Give us like five times a moment. We got to keep an even kid.

Yeah, yeah. You're not going to live. Alamo's original member. My pops, Alamo pops. When my pops passed away, Alamo Pops came and did like a Ulygy speech at my Pops. God bless. God bless. So I understand.

So like Alamo Pops, my pops, they grew up together. Lincoln cried. The first one. Alamo became the DJ. Wow. So now, Because he's not with a DJ at that time.

Now he is. Oh, you guys like made him the DJ. Like you're going to become a DJ. With the success of a funny guy, he just was a funny guy, was around. He, you know, he had a car at the time.

He still got some drivers to the studio. But any scratching you heard at the time was me. Okay? Because I was a real DJ. Lord, Jamar, relax. It's a day. And it's a great,

it's a great day. Diego, that started. Remember, it's a legendary day of, what was it, Latin Quarter Day? Remember that day? Oh, yeah. I see, back in the days, he's talking about before all this brand-news and this shit. Like, this is what let me know he was a live nigger and I could fuck with him.

Like, who Keith grew up in the same building, that my people from 12, 35, 5,000, back in the days, and 80s, even some of your toughest niggas were scared to go to the city for some reason. Okay. Yes Oh my Nishel Right Oh my All right

Tomorrow all right New York Nishel Niggas They were scared To go to city To New York Yeah

Like they They felt safe Up there But they felt like It was a little Too gangster In the city Whatever

Nigger like me I was Harlem Dahlum I'm going All shit Union Square Latin Quarter

So one night I'm out I'm down up Latin quarters I'm by my motherfucking Word Self

Okay I'm about to go in there I see my My niggas from Nure And you know you be happy when you see a nigger From around your way

I got mama car He went my man And God bless the daddy with my man Keeter Speed And maybe I can get who else is dead So we on the line You know We're like

In the line it's mad long Niggins don't really feel like waiting on it That's like both back there I never really I knew you rhyme We knew each other But we never really chill But with each other before

So I'm like Yo, what's up? You know what I mean? Like, fuck this spot. Like, I was happy to see these niggas. Oh, okay, some live young, because they're my age. I used to only see older niggins. I had hijacked mama's car.

So now I found him in mama car. And I was in training and all that. So these niggas is driving. You know, he's young niggins. So, oh, okay, young niggas got a ride. Like, what's up? Fuck this spot. Let's go to town.

Do what I mean? Oh, my God. Let's go up town. Let's get some weed. Let's get some dust. Let's talk about the dust games God damn Let's get some

Let's get some wounds Let's get some wooze That's cracking weed Polis parking the ground And let's get fucked up Like young people Fuck this spot So and them niggas was like

And niggas was like a bet And this I ain't a hot I'm so okay What does PCP do? What does PCP do? But I smoked it one time it didn't work.

He said one time. You know, you didn't smoke. I mean, put like, in the polka on PCP. Then, from Manhattan, the canoe and Sierra like that.

Listen. On PCP. See, back then, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't, like, I was mad.

I was mad. I was mad. I was like, the fuck. I just got mad paranoid. That was some other shit. Like, that's when our,

niggas was young, really wild. Bigg up to my man, my man, Chazzzz was smoking that bomb a street, he's a spiroment. 10th for Lennox,

101, Spirrimid gum. You know. That does smell like, right? Spirrimid gum. My man, Chad. Listen, let me tell you something, Joe Ma'am, one day, right?

My man, Chad, he's so high. He's so high on PCP, right? I'm sitting down. He's the guy. This is a guy who played me, New York, New York. This is the reason why I got the idea. So he comes to me, he goes, yo, you think these niggas is dissing us?

Because he was on something called a DJ list back in the days. Yeah. So he says, you think you need? This is two months before dog pound album come out. So he plays me New York, New York. He's like, you think these niggas is dissing us? Are you record pool? Yeah, he was a part of that.

But he wasn't no DJ. He was just smart enough to put itself on a list. And he got the album two months in advance. This is before boot lagging in it and all that. So he goes to me, he plays me to New York, New York. And I'm like, you think they dissing us? And they just out of the blue. This thing just runs 100 miles.

This thing just ran across the street. And I'm like, oh, shit. And he came back, act like he never did it. He was like, yo, you didn't do you just in us? I know how to brush I'm like, I'm sad I don't know this BCB

But they think about it That's how he handled That's how he handled He just runs For no reason I know I mean that smoke dust One time

I swear the other birds world Yeah I know I mean that nigga What was it name Reggie Jackson or some shit Reggie Jackson

Nah Nah This is a nigga from New Row Something Oh Yeah I know he's With a R

Whatever This nigga Smoked Duss one time And bugged have bugged out forever. He's still working out. Like, I'm talking, this thing is to get mad girls.

He's playing football, all of that. Everything going for him. Smoked to us with the time. It's crap. Go on. This thing was like for the rest of his life. I'm not going to walk that we, Alamo, on 155th Street, rock a game.

We smoked a dust up before rock a game. Went to the game. I'm trying to get across the street. I'm like, I'm like, what happened? She was serious, yo. You know, one time I took a mess tab and the bushes was talking about it. Mess tab, nigga.

A, you know, messet. What a mess? A. That was a messal. All right. Well, messab is mescaline. Mescaline is back our day's ecstasy. Yeah, that was like a laughing.

That's a good way. That's a good way to put it. That's a good way to put you. That's some shit you take before you go to the club. I swear to God. I know, listen. Tabs. Red Star.

I swear to gar. One time, I took a mess tab and got on a seesaw. by myself. Listen, Dolo, I'm gonna be like, you're too, a fool.

I swear to God, you know a seesaw, you need two people. You're saying, you made it work. You've gone down and pushing yourself back up. I had no idea what I was doing.

But, niggas was like, yeah, you're killing that. And we're gonna and the moon was like, what's good, nibu?

I said, how are you, baby? Where you been at? I'm talking to the moon, the moon like, you're good, niv.

We don't need to start fucking with shit like that. It took me 50 minutes to walk from that park that's right by Chris in the mall to my hood. That is a 10-minute walk. It took me 50 minutes because the Bush's just was talking to me, and I was

giving the Bush's fives. My niggas. Like, yeah, good? Niggas is looking at me. And we were all messed tabs. The crazy shit, the moon talked to us all. It was me down lazy. I forget who else. Big you up, down lazy wherever you are. So continue, I'm sorry.

Shit that had me stop fucking with crazy shit like that, like dust and shit like that. Like, I couldn't talk. proper. Yes. How old. And we're getting in the way

of me fucking with bro. Lord, you're like, I'm gonna... I'm gonna... I was... I used to go to this school. I used to go to the school

was... It was an alternate school for bag... Tell what's your name, man. It was that we used to call it. Educate. Oh, no.

First I went to Sister Helen. Sister Helen. That was the bad people's school in there Rochelle. But then I graduated to educate. Educate. Which was the bad people school of Westchester.

Like, Westchester. kids, right? So whatever, bam, there was this girl named Crystal, baddest bitch in the school. Okay? The Asian guy got to relax again. She was fucking with some

lame kid or whatever that used to smoke dust. So whatever, she broke up with the nigger. I'd make my move on a bomb. She started, she ready to fuck with me. I invited to the crib. She live off in Peacefield, though. Neuroschelle New York.

Peace Hill, New York. Peace Hill, New York. You might be. Right. So I invited to come. to my trade, right? How long was that? That's an hour.

She got on the bus, so it was, no, like two hours. Word, the piece of it? On the bus, some, bu. She transfers and all this crazy shit she had to do, right? So, bomb. So I see my man, I'm like, yo, I got too bad. Bitches coming to the crib, blah, blah, blah. He's like, oh, word, let's go get some dust real quick.

Nigger, we smoke. Can y'all fuck by any grass? No, no. Dust is not good. That's my fucking dick up and all that. Word. So we go to Mount Vernon, we go to Mount Vernon and get some dust. We smoke, we come back to Nourichelle.

Now we meet the girls with the bus stop. So we dust it as the motherfucker be. We picked the girls. Nigger, I don't say a word to them. We walk to the crib. It's like a 15-minute walk from the bus stop to the crib. I don't say a word to these broads. Neither one of us.

And y'all brand-in-in-in. No, this ain't brain. This is. Y'all, nigga, I stopped all that shit early. I mean, I might be like 17 at this time, some shit. Take it to the crib. Sombo, they was bad. Yeah, we're just sitting there, just staring at it.

And they're looking like, what's up, y'all niggas wanna fuck or some, and we just like, nigger, that, yo, she left out of it, she was so mad at me, she never fucking. with me again. I said, I'm not fucking with this dust shit. No more. Fuck this shit. Y'all fucking with my shit that I really love, which is these brothers. Did brand new be ever experience with cocaine or not? Absolutely not.

Yeah, like by then it was too far. I might give a bro some but now in the 80s. First meet. It's too much way. Once the 90s, once the 90s came, I didn't even see no more powers. Yeah, I can't.

I didn't see. Because back then cocaine, like even smoking wolves, like you said earlier. It was cool. It was cool. Live niggins get a fucked up. I used to be in the motherfucking. You got in 7, 86. I was born in 77, so I was 10 years old.

Yeah, I'm in the last quarters with coke and $100 a bill. If you ain't got a bill, you like, you know. You know. He's sniffing in front of bras, wanting them to see it because they know. Yeah. That's a little young, I'm like 15. Little young, that was like, that was like fly back there. I'm blowing to smoke coke and cigarettes in the bras

face to let her know I got the Coke. Where if you ain't got it, you're gonna question. Because you some ass on the live niggas was fucking with it at that time. New York's dirty. At some point,

it's called dirty. Listen, at some point, you want to crack. You know what it's. Listen, listen, listen, listen. At some point it's switched from coke to crack. Word. That's what I got fucked.

So now, when it switched to crack, niggas thought you could only get a hook if you smoke it in the pipe. What's about that. No. Right? So I don't seem like, niggas that was getting money.

I'm talking about getting her, boy. Money. Fuck that up. Start smoking woos. And then two weeks later, these niggas is the crack cans now. And I'm like,

damn, nigga, like you was getting it. Like, how the fuck? From smoking woos. So, I feel the thing that saved me, let me just real quick. The thing that saved me from never being a fiend or all that type of shit was one having knowledge itself. That's right.

That's right. Because the guards when you got knowledge, they don't give a fuck. What the fuck you hire a nigga, you better know them fucking lessons or you can't get your fucking ass word. Okay? I remember when I first got knowledge, I ran into this, to K-Born. Okay?

K-Born sounds strong. K-born was strong, scary black guard. A black guy, big, big muscles. Scary black god. And the God said, how you see it today that I ain't in the winter or whatever? I said, I'm a part of me, God, I'm a little stimulator.

He said, I don't care if you stimulate it. Yeah. He said, you better master your shit or you don't fuck with it. You know what I mean? So over the fuck up. That's what it was. Okay, young my CEO, you better know that degree. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So now he was one of those, oh shit, there's come cable. Like, you know what? and that shit, but it made you shock. But it made you say, I'm never going to let nothing master me. I'm always going to be master. That's what it's not. And that's the only thing that I feel

that some niggas didn't have that made them run them be a fucking crackhead or something. Now, how do you feel about these young kids? Because these young kids are actually drug addicts. Yeah. They don't actually know. And they glorify being a drug addicts. Like they sound like

drug addicts when they run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, like, like, like the drug dealer talk. Authoritatively. You know what I mean? I can't, man. Big Daddy King. I'm sorry. Can you say that word with my time? Authoritative.

Yes. You know what I'm a motherfucker? Go get my shit. Let me try it. Let me try it. Go ahead. Authoritative. That's what this.

No. Come on. You had it right. Authoritatively. There you go. Yeah. Let's make a lot of it. It's how the drug dealers used to talk to

motherfuckers. You know what I mean? Yo, give me some duchess. You'll run the store. Give me some duchess. Yo, fucking, I need you to go fucking do this. Yo, pick that up for me.

Telling niggas what to do. Now these niggins what to do. Word. Now these niggins is glorified. I'm high out there, Molly, and I'm fucked. That's talk. You ever try Molly?

It's fantastic. I'm just throwing out. At the China Club. That's as far as I've ever won. And what happened? What happened? I didn't really like it. See, ETC is like...

I'm not into that shit. I smoke weed. That's why we're going to take a break. We'll take a break. But the thing of it. But the thing of it. But the thing about ecstasy is, it's a hit or miss for ecstasy. See, Molly, if you got a good...

I'm a bad episode with it. Fucked up. I'm going to be honest. Listen, I don't approve it. No, no. But you know what Molly was invented for for marriage counseling? Really? So it's actually, if you get beer and DMA, I don't recommend it.

It was invented, but no it was. I'm dead shit? Yeah, where you get that from? And... Oh, he made the thing? Oh, no, no. So did you... You can actually Google it.

If you're counseling an incident. Counseling an ounce of that. That's how MDMA was made. That's not. Listen, listen, listen, if you and your lady are having problems, give her some of this. Give her some of them. And she's ready to freak off.

It's not even that. It's that she'll express to you why you have a problem. You all expressed, huh? What? One time, you said, you said, my man and I say is different. They gave me excesses. They gave me excephsy.

They gave me an excephette. some of that funny drink shit. I was in Delaware. What a green shit? Let me take some. Let me take some. I was in women's in Delaware. I ain't never trained lean neither.

I did a feature with somebody. And it was like, I'm going to give you some lean. So they paid for me to get down in Delaware. Women's in Delaware to come back. I went to the studio. There was some young niggas. They were like, yo, God. You drink that.

I took some lien. I sat back on the Amtrak coming back to New York. I was back like this. When I got back to 42nd or 34th Street, whatever the fuck it was, I was like, fuck it, I can't get up. I take this shit. She took my hand. I was like, yeah, I don't see how young guys. Yo, let me tell you why I don't fuck with lean.

I'm never in control. Like, the reason why I only smoke weed is because I'm in control. Oh, yeah. Like, a little control free. This keeps me. But lean, I don't know how I'm young, let's just to fuck with that shit, yo. I'm just doing this out there before we take the smoke break, but Molly is okay.

It's fantastic. I'm just throw it up to get. What I had a Molly? I was like, Super Disco King. I'm going to be honest. I don't want to fuck with any synthetics. I don't want to fuck with any pills.

It's bad. I'm just bad. I just smoke with... Everybody got to take a Molly once. I'm just saying... I did. I did. I remember you got to take a Molly and I drink.

That's all I drink. You all fuck me up a little bit with just tiger bones. I'm trying to... No, that's herbs, though. It's urge. I know, but it's just... It's a mixture of something in there. It's herbs in there.

Those herbs don't give a fuck about it. They're not going to be a fuck. I'm yeah, and I was dancing real fast, and my man was like, yo, sorry. You're dancing fast? When I was, I was dancing fast. He said I was dancing fast. Let me just chill. My man twung.

He was like, yo, you're dancing real fast. I was like, I'm just trying. I was like, I'm chill. I'm worried out. No more. No, I was kidding. I was worried out. This big.

There's a lot of motherfuckers in here. Tiger bone fights back. Tiger. Yo, I gotta take a piss and smoke so weird. Oh, yeah. Tiger ball, okay. I'm gonna take a break. But Tiger bone fights back.

It's a different. It's a nice. It's like a break real quick. Let it matter. A new fork break. We back with the smoke break. A name flappers called me a pussy hole. You got your pussy wood!

Your pussy wood! I thought it's pussy wall. Pussy a woo. Pussy a woo. That's not tight. You're still in. And then ran. Get me.

Here's the court. Lord of court. Now you're in management? Yes, sir. That's brink. Yes, sir. You pick this is the best man. See, this is how we're gonna make the...

Hell Hitler. This is how we make the knowledge cool again. Aaron cooks is hot. He got that street shit mixed with that motherfucking knowledge shit. I like what Sadat is drunk. I like what Sadat is drunk. And you still go to the gym in the movie. Just not like you're riding right.

I had a situation. And I ran for it. I had to check it out. I'm driving. A yard man driving. I made the turn. It's like he couldn't make the turn. He made the turn.

He got on some bullshit. I was in the car with three females. Understand that. The nigger, I rolled down the window. The niggie hit me boom through the window. I'm like, oh, shit. At least come get him. I'm like, yo, I don't.

the press no charges. Let them go. Let them go. Whatever. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I let them go. I'm like, yo, let's get it on the poppin. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, let me do what I want to do. The next day, I went to the police station, 68 precinct. 68 precinct. Oh, shit. I'm over there. Daddy, please. They're like, we know what you're trying to do. You can't do that right now.

I'll figure it out. I'm going back and forth to court, son. I'll figure it out. What's the Doc's favorite year in music? Maybe 96-97. That was D-I-T-C shit. D-I-T-C. I'm going to tell you, one of my most favorite MCD.

Big up to D-I-T-C, by the way. Diggins and the craigs. I thought with AG. Big up AG. A-G. A-G. I had an album come out with Diamond D. We finished it already. and an album coming out with Ellis

Say. Who? Artifacts. Ellison from artifacts. I have a story about them too. Yeah. That's Red Man's cousin, right? Is it Ellis or the other one?

Tames is Remains. Yeah. Finish that. And I got a secret album coming out. I'm going to say 1225 Park Avenue. And I'm trying to get these people. It's where a cool key for. That's what to ask y'all.

Because with the success. You have to do it. of, of, of, um, tri-coquoise. Yeah. De La Soe. The resurgents, you know, Buster Rimes is out here. People keep asking. I want to hear a new brand-newian album.

Yeah, definitely. I would love to make a brand-newian album. And trust me, the swords are still sharp. And we're going to get Puba in the gym, too. The sword, well, he's actually in a gym right now. He's lost a lot of weight, probably since you last year. Time to come in tomorrow. He's been posting little pictures on Facebook, Lane.

You don't get on the wheel. He looks a lot better And I'm happy God bless God bless This man stays in the gym Get on the wheel You know

Get on the wheel What's the wheel And I'm just naturally Oh the shit I'm just naturally The ad wheel What's the wheel Before we start doing any sets

That's your warm up That's the warm up We're doing 30 minutes On the treadmill And then we're going to do 20 minutes on the wheel We're gonna do straightforward on the wheel 20 minutes on the wheel, God?

That's like an eternity 20 minutes on the wheel, that's what we do. Poo-Bah not ready for 20 minutes, five minutes on the wheel, guy. Five minutes on the wheel, guy. That's a little long on the wheel, you're going a little long on the wheel. So what's your favorite year in music?

My favorite year in music? Damn. You mean specifically hip-hop or in general? It doesn't matter. Well, see, I'm a hip-hop niggas, so it's not going to be my favorite. Yeah, I fuck the old kicker. Kickapree course or any other genre. Yeah, it's going to be hip-hop shit.

I want to feel, I'm probably going to say like 86. I'm going to co-sign it. You know, no tricks in 86. It's time to grow. Every one of my car. I'm going to stay loud. It was real. What it was real?

And seeing me move to crap. Like, there was just a lot of, you know. Oh, my sir. That whole era, that whole. time. That was some real hip-hop shit. Relax, Jake, babe. But honestly, you know, but then again, when they talk about the golden era, like, which we happen to be blessed to be a part of. Early 90s. You know, that was a really good time.

Early 90s. Actually, the whole 90s was very good. It tapered off at the end. It tapered off at the end, but like, most of the 90s was very strong. It came to. You had your biggies, you had your Nazes, you had your Tupac. You know, Brand Newby and Tricor Quest, Buster. What was a beef that Brand Newby had with another

artist? See, we never got into that type of shit. Wow. We never really had to be relaxed. Not once. No one. Over there, relax. No other artists. If we really got into the beef with somebody, it would definitely been hands and feet. My

beefs came like now, like with this internet shit where I say certain shit about people. You'd be pissing a new generation off. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You'd be pissing them off. Do you do it on purpose or you don't care? Nigger, I, listen. Just speaking to my... Are we taking another shot of a phone?

Nah, hell, no. See? Are we skipping? Yeah, I'm skipping. If you know me as a person, then you know how I get down, how I talk. You know who's how I am. You know what I mean? Lord Jay is that nigga. Like, you know what I mean? That just might say what the fuck that you thought someone?

shouldn't say but niggas is thinking so he's saying you know what I mean that's what I do like you know what I mean so you be pissing them all trying to piss people off on purpose you have people yellow but at the same time I don't give a fuck yeah see people like that I'm right in Nashville I saw yellow over Nashville oh I saw yellow wall because I think he lives out there see I would be his ass if I see what happened with him because that fagged ass faggot. You know. Damn, it's like that for real.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything. Like, you know, a nigga want to comment on some shit I said or whatever about, you know, white people being guest in hip hop, which they are. You know, this is the black man built this motherfucking house. You understand? I'm saying?

Like, it was a time when white people would look down upon for fucking with this hip hop shit. You understand? You understand? I'm saying? So don't try to claim it now because it's cool and all that bullshit. You understand what I'm saying. I think So what I'm saying is, when I say

you're a guest in this house, I think he did. I think Eminem did. When I say you're a guest in this house, right, we're in a hotel right now, right? Do you feel any bad way about being a guest in this hotel? No, I don't. You're being treated fairly.

It's a good idea. You're being treated well. But guess what? I don't care about none of me. You don't own this place. All right. You just rented this room for however. many nights that you're here. That's right.

He's correct. But you can't do whatever the fuck you want. We're going out on the terrace to smoke. Why? Because it's ain't your fucking house. And his rules to this shit. So that's all I'm saying. When it comes to this hip-hop shit, if you're a guest, that doesn't mean, you know,

I'm trying to play you. Hey, you're welcome. I'm not saying white people can't rhyme and all that type of shit, but what you've got to understand is we started this shit. And this is our fucking shit. You're not going to come in here and fucking try to

fuck with the rules. There's some we used to talk about down by law back in the day. What does down by law mean? Law means there's the fucking rules and regulations to this fucking shit. And the only way you can get down if you down by law if you fucking

if you passed all the criteria that it takes to be down. See now niggas is just down because they got money or they down because they down with the right record label or whatever the fuck the case may be fuck all that bullshit I don't give a fuck how many records you saw

none of that shit that don't mean nothing to me like how are you affecting true black culture how are you affecting the shit that we really fuck with because we really don't give a far as black people we don't care how much records you sell

if you whack you whack I don't care if you sell 10 million records you whack motherfucker on our standard don't put that shit in my face so whatever I said some shit and this faggot-ass nigger we yellow wolf want to fucking you know invite me to his balls

and all this bullshit now you cross lines you see what I'm saying now when I see you it's all exciting and you don't even know who you fucking with you know what I mean

that's all but I'm not I'm not even I'm not a gangster nigga you know what I mean I'm not out of here thank you brother I'm not out here trying to be the hardest nigger, but it's certain shit. You know, I'm cut from a certain claw.

The thing about you, my bad, to cut you off, but the thing about you is you're, if you understand righteousness, you understand that you never actually said nothing wrong. You just stand on a certain principle. Exactly. And if you understand the principle, like I watch it all the time. I watch you on Blad all the time. And I'm like, damn, if a person came from our era. He's not dissing y'all at all

He never disrespected anybody white He never did He just said that you know You're a guest in hip hop and it's like And I'm so appreciate the way you just broke that down Because I'm a guest at the home Where are Latinos stand in that In fact of all Latinos was down with this shit

From the beginning Okay Shout out people like Prince Whipp or Whip Yeah got a minute Charlie Chase Shout out motherfucking Um Man

What's my nigga for Crazy legs. Shout out my niggas from the Furies 5. Tito. You know what I mean? Niggins like that. Like, like Puerto Ricans and all of that, first of all, they're black people.

Let's not get it twisted. Like, like, we got dropped off of different islands and shit like that. Cubans is blacker than me. It all started in Africa, okay? Now, when you're on the island, though, the grafting process goes faster, because you have a smaller

geographical area. So if the slave master starts intertwining with the slaves, they're going to get lighter and lighter at a faster rate, whereas in America, it's a bigger geographical area. So, you know,

the slave master was definitely intertwining, but it was spread out more. Whereas you have certain islands where they just fucking damn near trying to milk it all the way. They try to graft it like the shit was Patmos. You understand? So, Puerto Ricans, Hispanics have been down with this from the beginning,

and I don't separate Puerto Ricans and Hispanic. So when I say this is our house, it's our house. You understand, I'm saying? Right. You either black or you white in my book. You know what I mean? Although there are subdivisions, but at the end of the day, you either black or you're white. Asians are the closest to black people.

all they. Absolutely. Listen. Yeah, it's true. They are. It is. Because they are. I remember the the original Chinese

and all that are. If you remember the original Vietnam War, the Vietnamese said, coming home Vietnam plug. Yeah,

big that up as well. But the original Vietnam War, they said, this is not your fight, black man. Yeah. Yeah.

We fuck with y'all. The communists are saying that. We fuck with y'all. Don't, this is not your fight. And that was super real. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So even Asian people identify what we are. Because Cuban, Puerto Rican, Ecuadorian, whatever, you're more closer than your black origin because Africans was the original man. The white is white person will tell you if you got one drop of black blood in you, you black. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're not fucking with you. You can't be down with the Aryan nation.

Yeah, you can't be down with Aryan nation. You can't be down with, you know, Queen Elizabeth and all these other motherfuckers with the royal blood. You got to drop of some shit that we're not fucking with. And when you say black, you even say in Spanish. Absolutely. You're including, absolutely. I'm including the Indians. I'm including, you know what I mean?

Right. I'm including all original people. Right. You know. Now, Sadat-X. Yes, sir. What was the moment in brand new being history? where you said

I have to either continue with the group or it's time for Saddam X to do his solo but it was I tell you what

it was what fucking with boy George the drug dealer George let's big up to make some noise for the drug dealer boy George

that damn that was that was the Bronx Alpo but he was in group home in New Ralph exactly that's how

move me You know, new boy, George. He was in the group on, he wasn't rich then, right? Because he was a rich leader. Okay. Yeah. So he was, y'all was in a group home with him? No, no, no.

Okay. I'm not even going to front. George used to bless us with a whole bunch of shit. Right. You should fuck with George. Like, when you say... Half the second. You're talking about cocaine?

Third. We're talking about cocaine? I'm talking about whatever. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't even want to get into it like that, but. I liked the way you said it. Georgie, it was Georgie.

You know? That's a great movie as well. Is that with a wild cowboys? So, so, answer the question. Why did Boy George make you feel like you should do some solo shit? Get on your Wild Cowboys in the way. Because we used to see Boy George. It was the infamous party on the boat.

He had to party on the boat. Gave me getting to Bell Buckles. Bell buckles? Sounds serious. This is the original good bell game. Let's go. Damn, I don't. Nobody listens to us to die.

It's okay. I'm going to tell you what? He said, nobody listens to this. We're just on revolt TV. We're just on CBS. George, put it like this. George is the boss. I'm talking about Beekman Avenue.

Beekman, St. Marys, Cortland Avenue. 152 153 156 Melrose Jackson and Cortland How did that lead to you

doing your solo shit What it led to is because George was like I fucked with George George George had the group home next to my cribby He was like fuck everybody else Your son

Do what you do Right You know what I'm saying He didn't want you to sell drugs Nah, but I fuck with my cousins. You know what I'm saying? It's like TV. Who said TV?

You know, bro. Who said TV? Wait, wait, whoa. That's Mike Boo. Say it. That's right. It's my brother right here. When TV come home?

In February. That's what I'm talking about. There you go. It's February now. So he's telling me that real thing. That's my cousin. TV. All right.

Understand. Boy George, understand. Understand. Translation. Just translation. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? So y'all get the niggas can switch how you want to do or whatever you want to do.

Boy George is a real nigga. That's who I was fucking with. Let's make some noise for Boy George. It's so sacred. I don't even want to talk about him no more. You know what I'm saying? Is he in jail? Yeah.

When this boy Joyce? Come on. Never. What do you have? I'm talking about cars with the, with the, with the, with the, with the boom and sister tax coming out the bag. The old stash box.

Yeah, stash box. Where it's been many people that want to talk about, boy, George. I don't even want to get into that shit. Listen, let me ask you a question. How did you get the idea of getting niggas fucked up? Yeah, that's a story.

In order to reveal their most. secrets. How did you, where did you come up with that? You said, you know what? I'm gonna have a

bottle, I'm a table full liquor. I'm gonna get me fucked up. Niggas already fuck with me so they feel comfortable around me

and I'm gonna just get them so fucked up and they're just gonna fucking say shit. Where'd you come up with that idea, God? I'm talking about Beechamie.

I don't think I'm talking about Corny Avenue. 152. Talks, Da. Beesman. St. Mary. Right. We went around court.

Let me get that pee blow, you know. See, tell. Cetown. Never mind. We're going to start it. Cetown. Come on. Knock it off.

Knack it off. Cetown. Yeah, that's my fan. Knock it off. Melrose, Jackson. Park Avenue. Come on, TB, fresh.

Vietnam. That's keep it on. Vietnam. My type of shit. like that. I'm like, come on, man. I'm keeping it on a, on a,

on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, knock it off. Right. Come on, man.

George, put it like this. Yes. When they had the party on the boat, gave everybody the belt buckles. The belt buckles.

It was winners for different prizes. How much work in a matter of fact, I'm gonna stop it right there Hey come I ain't gonna get it That's right Stop it right there

I won't even give it to that shit yo So to answer Although Jemar question He just asked me He asked me When we come up The thing is me With the idea

Getting niggas fucked up Put that part in there Yeah We're gonna get straight to it Me and AFF every I heard him on the radio Today serious I liked Graham Jones show

And he Graham Ginny He had said something very crazy And it was real We used to be I used to record in his studio in Miami. I used to record there, and he used to play poker at the same time. Poker in studio is probably the same amount of hours, like eight, six to eight hours.

If you're playing a real intense poker game, you're doing a real intense studio. And I can't say something today that it fucked me up because he was like, that's how we invented drink champs was we would drink all night and whoever will fall to sleep, we'd be like, you ain't no fucking drink champ. And he said that today. And that's pretty much how we came up with Dazia. We actually had a radio show prior to that. It was called Military Crazy Royal Radio. We was on Raw 666. To Leo G.

I always hate that when we say that. We don't mention Leo G. And Miss Kitty. We always get up. So big them up. And then what, so what happened was, we came together. Like, we love the 90s. We love that era.

We feel like that's the golden era of hip-hop. But we don't want to live on the past. So we sat back and said, you know what? Why don't we interview just legends? Just legends. Like, I don't, we don't want, you know, we might interview some new guys here and there. Like we had, uh, uh, fresher on here. We had, uh, but he came with, he wasn't, yeah, he came with Roy Flusch, yeah.

And we had, uh, yeah, we got no problem with new guys, but it's just, this is an era. Nah, I think Aaron Cook came with Braves, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got no, we had somebody else. Which is the way it should be. You're doing. You know, y'all should be brilliant. So what we said, we said, you know, why not get our legend in. wrong. He was with Liorna.

He was with Lior. And my dad for breaking out that day. Everybody's like, yo, what happened? Like, I saw the episode and you break out. The young man had to perform.

Yes. And I had to be. Eric, I had to go to my managerial. Yeah. Let's say that one real quick. Managerial. There are.

Wow. My managerial shit. And so I had to leave the fucking shit. So I would have loved to kick it with y'all. But get back to the, you know,

we want to respect our legends because this is the only genre in music that once you have 10 years in this game, they try to kick you out. And I want to reverse that thing. I didn't want to complain about it. I want to reverse it. You know what I'm saying? Because there's a lot

of people who complain about, yo, music ain't this. But you ain't doing nothing about to help that side of the music. So you actually, no, I'm saying. I'm talking to other people. So what I'm saying is, you can't complain about something if you're going to do something about something. So when we started this, like I said, this is a vinyl guy. Like he's, DJs, he wants vinyl. He wants the original.

essence of hip hop. He's scratching. He does the real shit. And I had to respect that. And I had to say to him, you know, at one point I used to tell him, man, get a fucking Serato, man. And I'm like, why? If this is what he wants to be and he can maintain that? Do you want to carry crates?

Whoa. He don't want to carry crates. Exactly. That's why Serrano lose the shit. I understand what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, we wanted to preserve the coach show. We wanted to sit back and say, you know what? Fuck that. Like, you know,

you know, Lord Jamar, you know, Sadat X, Grand Poulba, all these people, you have deserved to be saluted. It ain't, it ain't just me. It ain't just him. It ain't just us in this room. Like, you deserve to be, you're raised people. Like, literally, you raised me. Like, I'm a great person because I'm listening to Brand New Bear.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I had to balance a life. Levels spellback was level. You got to balance it. So that. Let's see you. Real quick, let me, let me, I want to add some to that there's no conspiracy to this.

Like we all grown-ass men You could drink whatever you want to drink You don't have to drink Right Yeah We're not really doing interviews We're not really doing interviews We're just talking shit

Like how we were doing in the studio When we was drinking and talking shit That's where the idea came from This is what we're doing in the studio anyways I'm just saying it's a smart idea No it is With CBS

That's why Our market was from 16 to 24 It blew my mind Because the reason why it blew on our mind is because we don't interview nobody 16 or 24 right you know what I'm saying

but your energy is lit right you know what I'm saying the energy in here is lit is lit and the fact that the fact that our motherfucker might say anything or they hear an ill story that they might not necessarily

hear anywhere else is what makes you guys popular and I just want to say a shout out We care about the culture. And we really do care about the culture. I remember you came up to me. We was at...

You was with me. Was it Jada kiss party? I remember. Okay. This nigger says, yo, I like that shit you'd be saying over that. He was like, y'all, I'd be wanting to say that type of shit, but I was scared.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I really do. I really do. And then I saw you came with this. I said this nigger is genius I thank you okay because instead of you saying some shit let me just interview niggas and let them

say I said this nigger is smart as a motherfucker good for you my mother good for you and I'm glad where it's going and where and I hope you just and in the process because we see you on Vlad TV

so you know we also want to throw our hat in the ring because you know we got the drink champs network me and my partner of DJEFN. So if you ever think about starting a podcast I am thinking about that. I think about ideas. I'm an idea, man.

I'm not about it. You know, I could just look right now and just say bridging the gap. You being a legend that you are and you putting on an artist like Anderson Cook. If y'all was to do a podcast together, like the old meets the new, the new meets the old.

And he can sort of school you on why, you know, people listen to the Migos. I'm not saying, you're outdated and you don't listen to Amigos, but he can explain to you why. I do too. And then you could be like, well, you know, in our days, you know,

it's shit like that. So, and, you know, the thing about podcasts, I never felt more important in my life. Like, I really, like, I mean, you know, music is like selling drugs. If I don't come outside, they'll go see Jewel Santana. If I don't come outside, they'll go see Red Man. They'll go see whatever.

If I don't drop an album. podcast these niggas me and my DMs disrespectful me and my time why the fuck I can't see the videos no more because y'all are going I mean like you relax these videos is coming out y'all fucking out you listen to me whatever a artist is anywhere near Miami the drink chance army

will record like if you were to Miami while we was trying to get you they would have recorded you like look Lord Jamar's hair and they'll send me this shit like these the drink champs armor what's going on let him let him let him get up let him about him you're all right i'm yeah i'm good you sure yeah i'm good what else okay he's the type of nigger he has no shame in throwing up

okay oh i don't know how about you that he'll be telling you stories the next day ah he's like man this nigger came in with the soldier face though i was like what Go over this store. Talk to the people real quick. I want to go to shit. It's some pancakes or something. Get some pancakes. I respect that.

Gang-sist-nickers eating pancakes. Let me just say, let me just say. I'm a hip hop connoisse. Now, the group I brought to the game before this was Dead Press. My people, that one. People don't know that. A lot of people are. I didn't know that either.

And those are my, Florida. You discovered Dead Press. I discovered Dead Pres. I discovered Dead Pres. them to loud when loud was popping shout out steve rifkin rich i didn't know all that shit now if i was a thirsty

nigger i would have been keep trying to feed y'all bullshit niggas between now and then you understand so how did you discover Erica? It's a long story basically I found him on the internet by accident wow okay the universe sent me to me where you're from around me? I'm Syracuse I'm sorry.

Syracuse, New York. Syracuse, New York, okay? So New York is a very big place. We're used to just five girls in New York being popping. Let's go. Don't get violence or not? Nah, I don't want to get violent. What kind of glasses are those that?

These? Yeah. They're like, I don't know. Prescription. They're very fly. Prescription, yeah. They're prescription glasses. I'm on an infarletary hiding.

is framing. I hate this. I hate this. They're probably anybody got somebody correcting the team? But

it is what it is you know I'm going to fuck it but let's make some noise for stop being drunk I was

I was we've been that fucked up you and that fucked up I left the episode one he fell asleep I said I'm out of here

we fuck this bullshit I can't say so. Hold on, hold on. Listen, everybody, listen, we celebrate our artists. And tonight, Brand new being deserves to be celebrated. Because, you know why? Y'all raised so many people.

You saved so many people lives with your music. Y'all have touched so many people. And this night is all dedicated to y'all. And when we drop this episode, it's going to be dedicated to y'all. You're going to see these kids post your albums. You're going to see these kids. Red Newbie and I don't understand. Now, a lot of these dudes are going to be mad at me.

So that's not you. It was fucked up. I'm going to fuck about it. You have something like that. You know one of the things I've heard over the years. Fuck about that. Constantly that is very rewarding. What?

People come up to me and be like, yo, I used to listen to your shit got me through college. Yeah. Or jail. Yeah. Jail. and college. Those two places. Monefuckers, yo, we used to rock your shit.

Good, dog. We used to rock this shit. Good. I should got you walking through the store right there. Okay. You're like, listen. Yeah, but that shit right there is like, or, you know,

a rewarding thing is when motherfuckers are like, yo, I got knowledge of yourself because of y'all. Like, it's because of y'all that I got an interest in learning about my. And I'm like, wow, thank you, because that's why we wanted to do this shit in the first place. Right. You know? And what's the most record when people come up to you, they'd like this record?

What's the record? Ms. Punks? I think it depends on the age. For younger people and don't let it go to head. You're telling me, slow down. You made people literally stop smoking crack from slowdown. You don't let it go down. This is a smoking crack and said slow down.

You're like, oh, damn. You're about 35 to 40 years old. You're smoking crack at this age. You're about 35 years to 40 years old. For real, baby. You get a call? Yeah, yeah. Kill.

Who, what, what, what, what, my factor? Yes. Yeah, I'm against some bullshit. Ali. Who? Ali. Of course.

It said Ali G. Yeah. Ali, man. Ali's here. Yeah. Nah. And I might. And I'm not.

Somebody. somebody. Wait, wait. You. You invited somebody? You invited somebody? Somebody says, Ali downstairs. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

He's like, yes, that's my Muslim brother. He's definitely Muslim. Now, now, I was my husband downstairs. Ali. So now, we're going to try to end. We don't have to end it, but if it on y'all, but what are y'all think about Donald Trump? He doing what he set out to do, y'all.

Is he, he, is he, is he? Is he the walk of the beast? Is he the end of the world? Yes, sir. No. Yes, sir. He's not the end of the world. No, he's not.

Okay. He might be the awakening of the world. There is no ending of the world. Let me just say that I'm almost happy for Donald Trump. For him or for? I'm happy he's here. You know why? You know why?

I'm going to fucked up with Donald. Go ahead. Nothing good comes without struggle. Nothing good comes easily. Trying to figure out where you going. It's like for many years, we've had a very hypocritical society. We've had a racist society that pretended it wasn't racist. And it allowed certain black people to move in a certain way and feel like

it's all good in this motherfucking hood. Well, guess what? It's not. It's not. It really isn't. And it's like Donald Trump is tired of the facade. They're tired of being hypocritical. And they're like, fuck the bullshit. Let's be the white people we were meant to be. Straight up.

Okay. So now, he's just talking the shit that a lot of, of white people are thinking in their head. It felt anyway. There's the reason why people like me on Vlad. Because I say shit that you might be thinking in your mind but you think is politically

incorrect to say. Fuck I'm for real deal. Now Trump is doing the same thing for white people. And you open the road and you're giving back. And I'm not mad at that because You can't? It's all.

Yeah. Positive shit. comes out of chaos. You need people to feel you need a catalyst. You need something. Whoa. Oh, we're really fucking up now.

And I need the chaos. And that glass is gangstic because it didn't break. You all right? I know, but I heard all the kinds of splashing and drinking. You need some crashing. Crashing. Go ahead.

I need a catalyst. You need a catalyst. This is my room. I know I might not look like it. So is he a horseman? I sleep here. Is he a horseman, maybe? Right.

What I'm saying is he's somebody that's needed in order for us, for certain people to wake up and put themselves in gear. Because even white people who voted for him, like, we fucked up. Some of them. Not even. No, a lot of them are. Some of them. Some of them said that they voted for Hillary,

but really voted for him. Believe that. Wow. Okay? believe that they came back and said, yeah, I voted for Hillary, but they didn't vote for Hillary. They voted for him because it's all about what you do in the, you know, when you buy yourself.

That shows what real type of person you are. You see, if you're hungry and you say you don't eat swine, are you going to eat the ham sandwich if it's sitting there? Nope. I'm not, you're not, but some niggas will. If they're not to a certain fortitude, the certain discipline. And that's why they want you to be weak of discipline in this world.

I know Muslims, they eat pepperoni sometimes. They promote lack of discipline because it's discipline which will save you. Obviously. You want to eat paparone? Never. I mean, right me. And you've got no discipline. That motherfucker, if you're tweeting him right now, he saw it and he sent some shit.

He'll talk shit back to you because his ego is so sensitive. and so raw you know what I mean and anybody that allows their emotions to control them like that as a weak person and now you allow this motherfucker to run your country

are you fucking kidding me you know what I mean are we doing niggas talk shit about me every day on the fucking internet if I was to respond You embrace the internet a lot though You like the internet I like the internet too

Yeah because it's You get it, though. It's funny to me. But you get it. Like, when motherfuckers talk shit to me, I'm laughing and, like, you're not hurting me. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing you can say to me that's going to penetrate my armor. Can we squash it with you and Vince Staples?

Can we get that as? Who's Stable? I like Vince. This is a little young nigga. Um, I don't got no real beef with Vince Staples. I'm glad to hear that. I got love for Aaron Cooks. All right.

Fuck Vince Staples. All right. But, no. We can end though. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think somewhere with me and men, yeah. I was like, I don't even know how the signals got crossed, like,

but I don't wake up thinking about the little homie or whatever. But at the same time, let's make a let's make a zip. At the same time, I come from an era where you respect your OGs and you got to respect for your album. And you don't talk to your elders in a certain fucking way. You know what I mean? Let me be the devil's advocate. I want to say. Think Vince respects the older generation.

He's brought his elder classman. I just think that he's also a nigga. He's also just us. I feel that. He's just us. So he just responded. I feel that. But I didn't start this.

Relax. A nigger named Vince Staples. He signed him. I don't even know these things. That's what I'm saying. I don't even know these things. Niggas want to respond to shit that I say. You got a brother but a killer, niggins is, yo.

Niggers want to respond to the shit that I say without the intellectual ammunition to talk with me. Right. And then you put yourself in a certain corner where it gets, but we're going to make it right. We're going to make it right. I ain't got no problem with this thing. It's not that serious. It's not.

Trust me. The only niggins that if I see them on site that I'm knocking the fuck out, let's put this on tape. Let's put this on tape. Saddam going there. The only niggins that I'm knocking out on site if I see on site is Yellow Wolf.

Cool, man, that's like my son, yo. Ashie Larry. Nah, no, no. Nobody got to beep for Ashley Larry. Oh, yeah. What type of a nigga you is, what you are? What?

Be Ashy Larry's ass if I see him. On site. There's not going to be no. I'm going to hold us to that. Hold on his dad. Hold on a die. Hold on a dot. Well, how are you going to be with Ashley Larry, there? Yeah, this nigga just crossed the line. He fucking, you know, his brother's a faggot and he's mad that I said some shit about homoes or whatever.

And blah, blah, blah, blah. He just crossed the line. He tried to make videos talking bullshit. All this bullshit. Okay. Actually, Larry. Yeah, I'm going to have to backhand slap him like a little fish. No, at Vasiari.

I mean, he wasn't trying to be funny. like oh he no he was he was being disrespectful and funny and i thought he'd be but he was not even funny like it was and who else so y'all were and ask larry and who are and the last one i don't want to say these niggas because i don't like this style you're all right you don't have to but these two podcast and niggins these two podcasts and nero oh oh yeah i'll slap both of them niggins at the same time i'll slap both of them niggins at the same time And then I slap. Them niggins think that

you're just letting you lose. What the fuck. Yo, let's shut the fuck up. Please. I'm at, in the most respect. I'm at Blake Fitness on Friott.

Deep. On the, on the, on the footstack. Tomorrow. I'm going to go in the mall. My man, D. from rough riders.

I say them. Yonkers in this best pitch. Yonke. All right. You know, so we got. We got the Tri-State area. What is the Yonkers area?

What is that called? Like, that's Westchester? Yes. So Yonkers, Mount Vernon, Newark. Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Shelf. White Plains. That's Westchester. That was all the popping, like, where black people be at in Westchester.

You know what I mean? Anything other than that? T tunnels a dog. And it was some real hoodshy. We can fight right now. Like Yonkers? I took my glasses off. Oh, piece it.

I love it. Young is as little as a motherfucker. Okay, Ashburton, Warburton, Cottage, Moffield, Riverdale. And I want to say something real quick, pick up to Doogie Diamonds, because I see something that was recently when Doogie Diamonds put something on his website, and he took it down.

So I want to make up Doggy Diamonds. And we don't care about none of that shit. Like, the locks, don't ever let nobody just spread the locks at all. And Doggy Diamond Let somebody do it And then he took it down I love them I got to salute Doggy Diamond

For being aware of what's happening And we don't We don't understand Or we don't care what's going on But the Lodge did so much For hip hop That we don't want to ever hear anybody And still

So let me get you want to fight for Million dollars Who? Who I can fight for me? You want to fight Social Boy? A million dollars You want to fight Social Boyce? One of the nigs.

That nigga don't want to pull out No, Drakow. A million dollars? You don't want the Drakeo. Yo, soldier boy, Sadat against soldier boy? I'll beat the shit. You think Sadat A from the hood? Only body blows!

You think Sadat I ain't from the hood? Yeah, you know what you're going to go to be. From the fucking hood? A million dollars. So what's new for brand new being before we get out of that? For a million dollars, only body blows. No face, bro. You want to take that shout out.

You too big for that boy. Saddam. Put the Mavilo or Malcolm X. Sadat. I'll be in a mall. And Lord Jamal. I be in a mall. Too big for that boy.

I beat the shit of son. So what's next. So what's next. So what's next. a brand new before we get up out of here. Tell us the future. What's the future? The future is us. Mm. I like that.

That was hard. The future is, right now I'm on my executive shit. You know what I mean? We got my man. Aaron, motherfucking cooks. Like, let me just tell you like... I don't think that I'd like to fuck with me. Like, if you believe me as a...

Why don't I hear Elliot Wilson train? I don't fuck with Elliot Wilson. I don't like him. I don't like him, son. I'm talking about this about it. For real. I didn't even I'll be it in this side I'll be in this side

What happened? We don't like it Fuck him Let's talk about it man What did Elliot do to you? I just never liked him From the beginning Go ahead

I don't know I don't care about him You know We got some problem with it Tell him to come see me Don't what it is I'm gonna be honest I'm betting my money on you

I'm putting my money on you Put on me Is my money secure? Yeah Because I don't like him I'm like Chuck Wilson I can fuck with Chuck a little bit Who's Chuck Wilson?

Who's that? He on baby grand I can fuck with Chuck a little bit But I feel like he owe me money I don't get a fuck about the niggas I'm gonna fuck about that shit I got to grind from my shit

Every day Okay He can fuck about the niggas Right He's just naming me He's angry I'm not even angry I'm not even angry

I don't even angry I don't even Fuck about them niggas And if they feel some type of way Don't put your fucking Go on, chill, man That is that shit out, though That is that shit

Come over there. Don't put the shit out That's a marker right there Yeah, that shit You ever got that ringtone Turn it off, please Yeah, because it's making me depressed Because now my niggins is home now

Your ringtone made me sad Whoever I will have So listen Let's sit out of all of them Let's make some noise Let's not ask me and drop We love something No, no, no, no, no, no

Yes you are In the whistle back Yes, yes you are. I'm not because you're fucking out there wasn't up sober Let's just throw that out there You don't like him anyway Years ago

Right I don't like him from years ago And if he's some type of way He'll come to me as a man And speak to me as a man Other than that I smack the shit out of Right

I just want to say real quick That I've always been like an A&R Ever since like I was a little kid Like I was always Heads and dope rappers And all this type of shit I just want to say This kid right

here and I'm not just saying because I fuck with him. He's one of my favorite rappers of all time. God damn. I just want to say fuck Ellie. Like seriously. Whenever it's going to be in some beach, if he wanted to do some shit, we can be on f***.

Whatever, yo. I never like this for, isn't it all good? I've been in a job. Yeah, this is a lot. Y'all was funner when the same bro. You know, I was fucking fucking. I don't like you.

You know, listen, I can't thank y'all enough for coming to hang out with us. Aaron Cookson, we really support you. I'm not supporting them. No, Eric Cooks, we're talking about. And if you ever want to do something, believe me, you know what in this, you know. I'm Nancy Glass. You're going to drop. Yeah.

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In this Black History Month adventure, asking questions, thinking creatively, can lead to amazing discoveries. Listen to Adventures of Curiosity Cove every Monday from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka Neurilingualistic Programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story

of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.

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