Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Bun B | (Ep.91)
Episode Date: May 27, 2026N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shap...ed the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary Bun B!Texas royalty steps into the building as Bun B joins the Champs for one of the most legendary and unfiltered episodes of Drink Champs. In this episode, Bun B delivers real stories, southern hip hop history, and endless gems from his journey with UGK alongside the late Pimp C. From breaking down the rise of Houston rap culture to speaking on the influence of trill music, Bun gives fans a masterclass in authenticity, loyalty, and longevity.The conversation dives deep into Bun’s early grind, unforgettable moments with Pimp C, DJ Screw culture, rap industry politics, and the evolution of hip hop. As always, the drinks are flowing and the stories get wild, with hilarious memories, raw honesty, and classic Drink Champs energy throughout the nearly three-hour episode. Bun B also shares his thoughts on mumble rap, preserving southern hip hop legacy, and what it truly means to stay solid in the music business.For hip hop fans, this episode is more than an interview — it’s a celebration of southern rap greatness and one of the most essential conversations in Drink Champs history.Make some noise for Bun B!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on August 14th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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If he's a legend or not.
Yeah, absolutely not.
He's came from the bottom, the dirt UGK.
Underground K.
When the South was actually not even looked at,
Now the South is the shit
But back then
They was on the battlefield
They was on the battlefield
It was them in outcast
And they were fighting against the whole
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One of the best lyricists in the world
Absolutely
One of the illest groups
in the world to the Florida.
It's high praise.
I'm talking about Bun B from UGK.
Let's make so fucking no.
I need every time I walk in the room
for knowing to be in the room before
before I get in the room.
I need knowing to be in the room.
All I'm going to do is every time
every artist walk in the room
I'm just going to introduce you.
But listen, here's a deal.
Bun.
And what I just said is real shit because
you came from the era where
actually the people who actually
frowned on the South.
People didn't really want to
look at people from the South and say
you guys are lyricists or you guys
are artists or you guys are whatever.
And it was you guys an outcast.
That's the only two groups I remember.
I apologize if I am...
There's a lot of groups.
No, but I'm saying these groups that I remember.
But everybody got their own frame of reference.
I respect it. You know what I'm saying?
There's definitely a lot of other people
3-6 Mafia.
A-ball, MJ, G. You know what I'm saying?
And what we're doing down there?
Of course, M.
Of course from Texas, the ghetto boys, I mean, no ghetto boys, no rap-a-lott-Rects, no record.
And you rap-a-lott-it-out right now.
Yeah, yeah.
To this day, you still got on rap-a-lott of records.
I'm not even signed no more, but still rap a lot for a lot.
Now, let's respect that.
So how tough was that?
Because, you know, back then, let's see, New York is not running the game right now.
And you know what?
Fuck us.
We fucked up.
But you got to relax.
Why I got to relax?
I don't know.
I felt like you didn't like that.
We got more white people coming in.
You know what I'm saying?
We gave revolt checks.
It's going down.
So listen.
So how did you feel in the beginning when, when, because you was against the test of time.
You was against, you was playing against the actual AC.
I mean, you know, back then, it wasn't really a lot of money involved.
So when you was a rapper, what you wanted was like your respect.
You know what I'm saying?
You wanted to be around other rappers.
have them, they're like, oh, yeah, I heard your shit.
You nice with it, you know.
And niggas can admit it if they want to or not.
You know, they can say whether they want to or not,
but you ultimately, as an emcee, no matter where you was from,
wanted to come to New York and have the people from New York that you looked up to
acknowledge you as an emce.
So for me, in the early days, I just wanted to be able to,
when I stood in front of like Kane or G-Rap or Lord Finesz or Carus 1,
in front of these people, you know what I'm saying,
that they would be like, oh, Bumby,
I heard of you, you're nice.
You know, it wasn't even guarantee
you was going to make no money
and be famous or none of that.
So for me, that was all we wanted
was to be able to stand in front of the
people that we looked up to
and had them basically, you know, tip their hat to us.
In all case, I don't know if you don't know,
we tipped our hat to you guys
a long time ago.
And then one of my favorite songs in the world.
And this is how you know
This is real.
Look, this is me.
This is me.
It's not none of y'all.
It's me.
But one of my favorite songs,
going to the hotel,
that's my wife.
I love her.
I'm so sorry.
I kept my phone on
just for her.
No problem.
I'm sucking my love.
It's okay.
But look,
one of my favorite songs
in the world,
one of my favorite times
and hip-hop period
is when Outcast
and U.G.K.
got together.
And not only did y'all do a song,
you did a video,
yeah.
did the whole thing where
it was like a wedding or some shit
yeah and it was crazy because at the time
like and even really to this day
like later I'm a two man I'm a person from a two
man of course so I sat back
I said damn
I wanted to do something like that with mob deep
but we just never got it together
and there was a lot of times like UGN and Aval
MJG you know there's a lot of songs
we wanted to do
Hey boy MJG please we want y'all on drink chats please
come sipping on scissors was actually
was the first
song from a group that UGK and 36 Mafia was doing together we were gonna be the
underground mafia oh that would have been crazy sipping on scissors I was
was writing this on revolt live right now I don't know too many people know that a couple of
people might have no records other records they're like a pimp so um Sipping on Cizzer was the
record for their album right and the song like a pimp was the song for our album we did
them Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta but y'all didn't make like any kind of like an EP or
project we never got that far into it
because Pippen ended up getting locked up.
Right, right.
So we never even got to finish the project.
As a fan of fucking.
And then, like, coming back home.
As a fan of fucking.
And then, like, most people don't know
that the original version of players' anthem
was us in 3-6 Mafia.
So that's like the return, actually,
of us getting back to underground mafia music.
Wow.
But that version wouldn't clear.
It just sounds in the underground mafia music.
You know what I want to be down with this too.
It never happened.
I still want to be there.
So, you know, Bunn, I always kind of, like,
always kind of, like, related to you more
because although people don't know this,
but Pint was kind of like the wild card.
Right, right.
And people think I'm the wild card of the crew,
but in all actuality, it's Capone.
Well, I mean, you in any other room
with any other emcee would probably be the wild card.
But I think Capone in the room with Eddie.
You know, the Capone, if I'm in the room,
and shout out to Pond.
He outsized me.
Because he's like the wilder of the wild.
Brothers, you gotta relax.
Okay, but so, Bunn, that was one of the first things I identified with because, you know, Pimp was so outrageous.
He was so, you know, outspoken.
And then he will always protect you, too.
It's not like he was going to be outspoken and say, you know, me and Bud.
He said, no, I'm speaking for myself.
Because he knew I knew a lot of people and I traveled a lot.
Pemper's more of an introvert, you know, he kind of kept to himself.
And this old thing was like whatever issues he had,
he didn't want me to feel like I had to fight his fights for him.
Like, he felt like he was mad enough to fight his own fight.
But, you know, I'm going to be moving around and seeing people.
So you're like, yo, I'll be trying to run up on B based on what I said.
You know what I'm saying?
Which I ain't had a problem with him.
No way.
That's why I still went anywhere.
I wanted to go, you know.
Anybody that don't mean when they see me, I'm usually one deep.
Maybe one other dude.
But we're not, we're going to move like.
wife. That's bigger. Yeah, well, I'm talking
in my younger years, you know, back when we was...
What did you say? In my younger years, when we were back out.
Oh, younger years. I was like,
I didn't know that word. I was like, younger years.
So now, let's take it to there.
Because Pimp said something that still bothers
me to this day. Okay.
Pimp said that Atlanta
shouldn't be considered the South.
Right. Because of the time zone.
Right.
To this day, that still conflicts in my mind.
I'm sure it doesn't make sense to everybody.
Yeah, because in Miami wouldn't be considered to South Carolina.
No, I'm sure, like I said, it doesn't make sense to everybody.
But I think what Pimp was trying to say, and I'm not trying to make any apologies for him,
because Pimp was say, look, if I've, if I finished you with what I said, I apologize,
but I'm not apologizing for what I said.
Right.
Love that.
You know what I'm saying?
But what Pimp was trying to say was that, and it was real at the time, when you went to Atlanta,
you didn't necessarily feel like you were in the south.
Atlanta and Georgia were primarily felt like very southern areas,
but at the time, Georgia had a large influx of people from New York.
You know, if you drive down downtown and get by the underground mall
and all of that stuff, you would see dudes with timblins on the block.
That was happening in Miami as well, so I understand.
You know what I'm saying?
So it was just, it wasn't anything against the city of Atlanta or anything like that.
It was just like, yo, when you come, when you move through the south,
you're supposed to feel like you in the south.
But when you go to New York, you feel like you're in New York.
You know what I'm saying?
But, I mean, it was what it was.
I have anybody felt about it.
You know, we just, I mean, that's just how he felt at the time.
Now, you guys, UGK., I just, I don't know if you know,
but I would like to express this expression is you was guys,
was one of the first groups from the South that directly identified with New York.
Even though we were in Pimbin, we weren't doing that.
we weren't exactly identifying, but we were exactly identifying.
We tried to make shit as simple as possible for people
and tried to align the shit that we was going through
with the shit other people was going through.
So we understand the world is a ghetto.
You know what I'm saying?
The world is a ghetto.
So really the only difference in most of these hoods
is the clothes and the slang.
Once you get past that, you're going to understand
everything that's happening in that neighborhood.
You know what I'm saying?
And you'll know how to move in that.
neighborhood. Okay, they were in gangster
Nikes on the West Coast, they win
Reeboks in New Orleans. You know, they were in
New York, you know what I'm saying? It's different
quote, okay, what did they mean, buck fifty?
Is it a third time you say we were in telling him is? I feel like you're racist.
No, I'm sure. I'm sure.
I'm sure. But you know what the crazy shit? It's so true.
We really do. We're here. Yeah, no.
And in the South, like you see a dude
walking around in the South with some pants of the tubular
is off. He ain't from here.
You know what I'm saying? He ain't from there.
But we just wanted to identify with that. So, okay,
So once we go and see these things, we realize, okay, outside of the clothes and the talk,
the world is a ghetto.
So we're just going to talk about the shit that we see every day.
You have to.
And just assume that that's pretty much the shit everybody's seeing every day, you know?
And it ain't ever adding up.
That's my question to you because you guys being from the South and you guys from the real South.
And I don't mean that any other part of the South isn't real.
It's deep.
What I'm saying is, we like to call it Deep South.
We like to call it Deep South.
Deep South.
Like when I'm listening to P.C.
and I'm listening to where he's coming from.
And he's saying that it's a different time zone, all that.
How did you know that if you spoke about your hood,
the world will relate to that?
I didn't.
Before you answer that, because I never made the war report for the world.
I made the war report from our hood.
That's it.
I can't believe Europe.
When I go out there and these white people would be like,
oh, no, that shit crazy.
I don't know.
I didn't make this for you.
And I think everybody's,
like that. Norrie, I think
you know, you make your first album for the hood.
You make your second album for the world.
And then if you can get that far, you start making music
for yourself.
Damn, that's some... You know what I'm saying?
Let's make some noise for that. I'm sorry.
But no,
but that's what it is, man. To begin, that's all
you want to do. Because you don't really know if anybody's
going to be checking for you outside of your neighborhood.
But you know, niggas in the hood
is rating the listen just to see if case you
fuck up. Really? That's what it is.
So it's like, yo, I got to make sure I stun hard.
niggas know I'm not playing so that when I go out
and be like I'm from
da-da-da-da-da-da-n, niggas know back in the
dund-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-that when I leave I'm
rapping that. Because if you don't rap
home rights, you can't go back.
At least that's where I'm from.
You know what I'm saying? I don't know about anybody else.
Now, rap a lot records.
Yes. Jay Prince, Oji.
Probably one of the most legendary labels ever.
And you guys,
how was that to even be affiliated with rap a lot?
It was a trip because when we went to rap a lot,
It was in the midst of everything going crazy with Jive Regis.
Rapalai that came and tried to sign UGK.
in early 902.
He was on job records.
He was like he wanted to bring us over to rap line.
We was like, well, we're number one in our situation.
We don't want to go and have to be behind the ghetto boys and Scarfay.
That was one thing.
Pimp was like, if we go sign with anybody, they already got their roster.
And we got to find our spot.
But if we stay in always spot, we're number one on our roster.
And we ain't never got to fight for position.
So, but then once we got into the Jive system
We realized we were just in their roster
They wouldn't even cared about it
So we just, you know
We operated in a way where it was like
We don't get the support from the label
We don't get the backer from the label
We don't get real money from the label
Visual support marketing
None of that shit
So we just gonna move like we ain't even on no label
We're gonna make sure we're doing shows
We're gonna make sure we still
Doing records with motherfuckers
And still trying to get money whatever
And until they tell us we can't
do something, we just going to just keep an independent
grinding. So for us, we spent a lot
of years arguing with the record company, and
we would literally eat off of like doing
features and making beats for niggas
and just being out on the road and doing shows
and shit. Y'all were on
Jive before Rappellup.
Yeah, yeah. Our original record company was big time
records. That was the independent label we signed
to, and then they did a deal with Jive
in May of 92, and we
stayed on Jive records all the way up until
after Pimp passed away.
But our solo albums
was with rap a lot.
And it came at a time where, like,
Pimp was locked up, and, you know,
we were stifled by the record company,
and we just needed to get the message out.
And so J. Prince was the one that helped me get in the position
because what I said I wanted to do a solo album,
I was like, no, we're not fucking with that.
It Pimp in jail, and he ain't making the music,
and he ain't on the record.
Like, they were basically saying Pipp is the shit.
You just kind of like the sidekick.
The shit not going to pop off without you.
And so I left and went to asylum
and put out a solo record
it sold $750.
Independent.
You know what I'm saying?
Let me tell you something.
As a person that's a part of a two-man group.
That's CD.
Physical copies.
You're going to throw that out there.
The person that's a two-man group,
a part of a two-man group,
the love that you guys had for each other
was something that I admired.
It's something that I treasured.
It's something that I looked out for.
And here's the crazy shit.
And Bunn's going to tell you, I was the biggest UGK friend.
But Pimp C was the type of person.
He's not going to just do a record with you.
Right.
He has to question you.
You're funny.
You're funny.
He has to question you.
He has to hang out with you.
And I kid you not.
Look, look, he told me, I'm doing a record with you, Nore.
But he still wanted to hang out.
And we said that and we, you know, tell him mine,
we hung out for,
Like from like seven o'clock
In the evening
Until like easy three in the morning
Easily three in one corner
On one corner
Here in New York?
Yeah
In New York
But that's not the time
That's not the time that I met you
No this is a little time
Yeah
I had you to kill
A number of a couple times
But that
That was the thing with
With Pimp
Is what I respected is
He heard about me
He heard I was a real nigga
But he still wanted to meet me
And he still wanted to look at me face to face
and eye to eye.
And that's the thing is I take that to me
to today.
Like, you know, there's anybody who's,
you know, I don't get a fuck, I can love your record.
But now I want to hang out with you.
No, 95% of the records that's recording hip-hop
that require two people
ain't even got the two people in the same room.
In the same room.
Oh, absolutely.
You know what I'm saying?
It's probably more than that.
You know, motherfuckers actually do records,
have a hit record, and don't even meet a motherfucker
to the video. No, because we come from an era.
No relationship. But listen, we come from an era that even if I wanted
to sing y'all the record, I couldn't see you in a record.
Yeah, no. I got to come. I got to come.
I'm coming where you at or you got to come to my.
Because that's the only way we can physically do this.
Otherwise, I got to say my whole record.
And that definitely has a change the dynamic of the way, you know, the music comes
out at the end of day.
Well, for one, in you, for one, you don't get into a situation with it.
Like, nowadays, dudes get into situations and do songs,
and they be deep in the motherfucking life and don't even really know
they fucking with.
And then something happens
and you start to see
the true character
of these dudes,
but your name is already
tied in with that person
because it might not be
your biggest record,
but it might be
their biggest record.
You know what I'm saying?
So now you tied into
whatever that motherfucker
got going on.
Whereas back then
you actually got to
meet a motherfucker
and see who they were
and know who they were
about.
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Let's say like, we're going to do a song
with Norris. I can call somebody from New York
and be like, hey, and Norie, nigga, you're a real
nigga? Oh, yeah, yeah, he wrong with so-and-so and they'll be
over there. You don't be knowing who
nobody is. No, now that you got
look at it. You got to be like, I don't know.
Or you see a situation where
a motherfucker got beef and you just noticed
they did mad records with that person just
a year ago or six months ago, and now
they beefing like a motherfucker because they never built
that. That's what I never understood.
Because that shit is, a lot of that shit is so
easy to squaw it. You drink a
either on a, I'm already
drinking, I'm gonna drink it. Ask me to calada.
I'm fucking with you, bon.
Yeah. Whatever you're drinking, I'm drinking.
Where, like, beef is very easy
to squash
or very easy to pop up.
Right. Like, most of these people go to the same
shit, invited to the same shit. So, if you
really wanted to get asked them, and
with social media, and
you can either send somebody DM or
you can tech, get phone, I can get anybody
phone them. I'm sure anybody can get my phone number.
If they try, wanted to hard enough. So, all
that talking and flexing and shit
on like the grammar, whatever you want to
call it, all that shit like that automatically
tells me that I feel like nobody
real in the situation. That's
just me from the outside looking in because
anytime I ever had
anytime I ever had or saw a situation
where it was on, this is not my style.
This is not my style. Where it was on
like people was moving on niggas. I don't think
people realized. Like what he said
on the record? Conference rooms out there.
The motherfuckers didn't really make
like reply. They wouldn't, if they could
get at you, they would get at you. If they could
then maybe they might make a record
to let a nigga know they're trying to get
but they were actively trying
to get at motherfuckers.
Now one of the things off top
I gotta, I gotta bring up
I gotta talk about it's Trill.
You brothers bring that word
Trill to the game.
Trill is overused right now.
These guys are using it.
They're not really understanding
where they got it from.
And it's a problem now.
Like we at first it was-
Please speak about it.
At first it's like slang, right?
Like it's very hard to like quote copyright slang.
Right.
No, I've never covered right ending in my slang.
But, but then people get to trying to capitalize and monopolize.
And that was when we had a problem.
Because now you're trying to make some money off of something that I wasn't even trying to make money off.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, exactly.
I agree.
So like we had the copyright shit just to protect it.
Protect it.
You know what I'm saying?
And then you still get people.
We weren't even trying to make money.
Yeah.
And then people still.
But then people still assault the brand.
And, like, I just had a meeting with some young kids.
You know what I'm saying?
And they love the city.
They love the culture.
And they're trying to do something to represent the culture.
When I see that, I know that it's not somebody trying to appropriate my shit
and appropriate the culture.
I can work with you.
You know what I'm saying?
Let's do his shirt together.
But then when I see people that are old enough to know, right?
Because the kids, I'm talking about, like, 22, 23.
Yeah, they don't know.
But when I see, like, a 35, a 36-year-old motherfucker out here trying to sell stuff,
You know, I tried to let a lot of things wash over
because I didn't think it would be as aggressive as it was
but with social media and like the,
especially like the Instagram store.
Do you taste that at that colladas?
I haven't traced it with the cell.
I'll try it with the social water.
Is there any left?
Because half of it was on the store.
But then people started becoming very like actively trying to just steal
from the brand that had no.
No, I'm good.
I'm keeping neat.
Oh, you keep it neat?
Keep it neat.
Continue.
And then, you know, so wife was like,
look, this is becoming too much.
People are just doing too much.
I'm not going to lie.
They're doing too much.
I felt like I was going to shoot a couple of people for you.
And I probably wouldn't even call to you.
I just did it.
And I'm like, when it comes to music and that kind of stuff, I don't mind that.
You know what I'm saying?
Just make sure you about that if we run up, if we run up.
I ain't saying run up to fight you.
But if I'm ever in the room with you, you know what I'm saying,
if you choose to call yourself, please come across as this.
They respect.
You know what I'm saying?
Because most people don't even know what y'all mean by Trill.
If I do a regular, it's saying.
Can you explain what Trill means?
Trill was always more than just a word.
It was a way of life.
It was something that kind of spoke to a way of life.
So it was about the way that you carried yourself.
Trill originally started into Texas in the prententary system.
You know what I'm saying?
So that's a word.
So that word came home to PA from the penitentiary in like 88.
So it was a word that.
I'm sorry, to Port Arthur, Texas.
That's the time.
So the homie came home.
Because we're from the East Coast.
When you say PA, we think in Pennsylvania.
So the only little block came home from jail.
Let's pick on Little Block.
And LoBlock started talking about Trill.
He was one of the first people to really use that term.
And eventually, a lot of people on the west side of town started using it.
And then people in Puerto Rico, in general, just started using it.
So when we started making music, we were like, well, this is a word that not only represents who we are and where we're from, but will also separate us from everybody that's already in hip-hop.
From people in Dallas.
Yeah.
But just hip-hop and beer.
It was separated from music.
It's your own thing.
Yeah.
And it wasn't our thing, but it was ours in terms of where we were from.
Right, regionally.
You know what I'm so?
So we always give credit to the homes.
And that's why when we copyrighted, it was never to just go out and sell t-shirts and merch and none of that shit.
But to protect the integrity of this shit, because I'm responsible for that shit.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
When they see niggas misusing trill, they don't get mad at them.
They get mad at me.
Like, you out there.
Like, we're here in the projects.
We can't get here.
You got to go to L.A. and check rock cardash.
And you got to go over to these places to check these dudes.
You know what I'm saying?
No, damn, but I just thought about that that's very true.
That's the obligation, you know what I'm saying?
And so, and I can get busy and call up and stuff.
So my wife is a real good barometer.
She'd be like, yo, somebody trying that again.
Let's big up your wife for one more time.
You know what I'm saying?
But look.
Because wife is like, yo, if they eat that's money out of our pocket.
And that's money that we weren't even trying to get.
So she was like, we ain't out here like exploiting it.
So if they're going to exploit it, it's not right.
I think wife is right.
And I had to agree with her.
And I would get wifey the shooter's number before we leave.
Oh, no, no, no, wife is the shooter.
No, no, no, no, no.
We can't have wife to go to jail.
She'll go to jail.
She's going to go to jail.
We're going to give him the shooters number.
She can go to jail.
She'll shoot him and get me to gun.
He wants to go to jail.
But listen, and here's the thing, Bun.
And I'm sorry I'm going to a little dark place.
But we recently just lost prodigy.
Real.
That's in peace.
And the thing about that is your partner, your two-man girl.
Right.
So what could be your advice to havoc right now?
It's just the first thing you got to do is support the family as much as you can.
That's it.
Okay.
Right?
And now sometimes the family doesn't want to be supported, right?
Sometimes.
Because they're dealing with grievance.
Yeah, right?
And sometimes, you know, they have an idea of what they want to do.
Like with Pimp's wife, for example.
She had an idea of what she thought her husband's legacy should be.
Okay.
People think that I should take the lead and have
the idea of what his legacy should be.
Can I stop you for one second?
Everybody wanted you to take his eye.
But I understood how much you respect it, Pimp.
It's deeper than that.
It's deeper than the respect I have for Pimp.
Should anything happen to me,
right or wrong, I would hope that people support my wife.
That's all I'm asking.
You know what I'm saying?
Even if she's right or she's wrong,
if she wants to run it into the ground,
then let her do that, but please.
Like, just, just, just, just, just,
support her, right? If she don't know,
she don't know no better, try to tell her.
If she don't want to listen, just support as much as you
as much as you can, right?
Without compromising yourself as a person. I respect that,
go ahead. That's all you can do.
You know, like I said, people,
the wife has an idea, maybe the kids
have an idea, maybe the mother
has an idea, different people have different ideas
of how they feel the legacy should be
maintained. The
consumer, the listener, the fan
base, because they don't
know as much about his personal life,
assumes that the closest person to him is me.
Right.
So people always like,
yo, Bun, I know you got Pimsy versus,
I know you got UGK songs,
and I have to educate people about how they work.
Like, no, the estate has everything.
Once Pent passes away,
then the estate gets all the music.
Like, my, I've got, what, 42 songs.
I don't have any Pimsy music on it.
It's not because I don't want it.
It's because it's much, it's more profitable
to the estate in their hands than it is in my hands.
And we respect that.
You know, and we want,
them to eat. That's what we want.
You know, so we, you know, whether
we agree. And you're a good brother, man. I'm sorry.
No, but it's just being real because, and I got
to lead by example because
because you know how many? I got locked up. I got 17
1% versus I'll never use one.
You just don't want to lean on that.
We just want to hear one.
And the other thing is that, you know,
if too many people lean on a legacy,
then it can't, it can't rise, right?
If everybody's holding on to it,
then it can't really rise with the angels like it's
supposed to.
So it's my job to keep shit off his name, keep dirt off his name,
and to keep people from attaching themselves to something that they really weren't apart to.
You know what I'm talking about bitch-ass nigger.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bitch-ass nigger.
Now, let's take it.
I know we spoke about it a little bit earlier, but big pimps.
Man, man, geez.
I mean, hey, man.
Still, international calling call.
Like, any country I go to.
When they sued, because they sue Jay Z every year for two, like, two years.
The Indian area, right?
From the Pakistan.
Do they sue y'all too much?
So here's what happened.
This is what was crazy about the whole thing.
When we did the song,
Hope was like,
yo, I want to buy the publishing on this.
And we were like...
He's telling y'all that?
Yeah.
He wanted to buy our publishing on the song.
Oh, dear, please tell you.
You know what I'm saying?
Describe this one.
And so we were like, what do you mean?
He was like, yo, we kind of want to keep all of this.
And at the time, this was a very strange beat.
This was not something that Pimp
really wanted to do.
And they were...
And they were really, they were going towards the Mariah record at the time.
He had a record with Mariah and that was supposed to be the one.
This was like something down the road.
But they were cast flushed.
So, nix's like, yo, we want to buy you out on this.
You know what I'm saying?
Like fully.
And we were like, yo, you know what?
This is crazy.
You were like, yo, you know what?
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's like, we'll take it, you know.
And then the song becomes literally, you have to understand.
At one point, this is the biggest record in the world.
No, this is nice.
I'm looking at the BDS numbers and it's like 5,000, 7,000, 11,000, 15.
I've never seen anything like this with anything, period.
And then my name is attached to it.
And like we start trying to do the math.
We don't even know the intricacies of this shit.
But they start trying to like, let's just say five cents, nigga.
You know what I'm saying?
And we start trying to do the math on it.
It's like, yo, it's a lot of money.
And we left on the table.
And then, of course, Pimp gets locked up.
The lawsuit, because the lawsuit doesn't happen until Pimp goes to jail.
Oh, okay.
So then a lawsuit happens, and then the money is fucked up anyway
because the group is locked up.
So then it's like, yo, they get sued.
Like, yo, we ain't get nothing.
We ain't get shit.
They can't get nothing from us.
So they go to prison and they get the lawyer and do the deposition.
Like, yo, we work for hire, my nigga.
We ain't got nothing to do with that.
Wow.
And then they come to me, I do, you know, did it work for hire.
So we still got the shows.
We still got the increase in fan base.
That's what makes an lawyer.
We still had all that, you can't do.
Just didn't get school.
Let's make some noise with Jay Z taking the head.
And it was beautiful.
I won't lie.
Like at the time, that was way more money than we had gotten paid for rap music.
No, let me just tell you something.
The illish shit, I don't know if you know.
And, you know, Jay Z's not paying me at all to say this.
But I remember Jay Z going to Angie Martinez and going to, like, DJ and Nuffs.
And they say, why did you put UGK on the joint?
And he said UGK is the illest.
Yeah, he would advocate.
Yo, he would big y'all up so crazy.
And I don't know if y'all understood that.
See, so a lot of people don't know that we had gotten a call before.
Okay.
Pimsy was actually supposed to be on just a week ago, with Tushort.
So, but this was in the middle of the East Coast, West Coast beef.
And Jay wasn't leaving New York.
So when he called Pimp, like, I want you on this record.
Pimp was like, yeah, just come on Atlanta.
I got the studio at the house.
We could not get out of the house.
You're like, you know, I'm not leaving New York.
Jay was like, yo, I'm not leaving New York.
you're going right now.
So Pimper was like, shit,
I ain't even the South right now.
I guess we ain't doing it.
Get the fuck out.
And the record never happened.
And then we got the call again
for Big Pimp and then it eventually
came together.
Because, see, me as being a hip-hop fan,
I was aware of UGK was.
But for me seeing a person
that's quote-unquote above me
and bigging people up like that,
I was like, damn.
Because, you know, I don't know if people know
like juvenile's first feature was with me.
David Banner's first feature was with me.
I've been big up the South for years.
We were 50 cents first feature.
Yeah.
I've been bringing up the South for years.
Who else?
I can't get you going on.
Little Wayne.
Little Wayne.
Cash money.
They're first features with me.
Definitely.
You ain't going to pat yourself in the back, d'clock.
You're a super, you know, but you were a super dunger.
But you were a super dunger.
the game.
This is what I'm
talking.
Oh.
It happens.
Look at that.
You know what?
I'm going to go.
Fuck it.
No, no.
No, we kind of
all these.
My bad, Rob.
No, but
but that's the thing
is,
the thing is
that,
that feature,
that class
corroboration
from the South
because I always felt
like it's no
difference
in who
who fuck.
The world's a ghetto.
The world is a ghetto.
And if you notice, if you look at all those names,
all those artists that hooked up,
those people represent the hood.
They're not just people that are popping.
Those are people that represent the hood.
So it's not a mistake that Norie and UGK makes a record.
That Cameron and UGK makes a record.
That Lil Wayne and Norrie makes a record.
That's not, it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.
We speak to the same people just in different places and different accents.
That's the only fucking difference, my nigga.
All right.
True.
Now, when you look at, is Travis Scott from...
Travis Scott's Houston.
He's Houston.
And he tries to put it in the music.
And if you're from Houston and you listen to it,
he's saying everything to let you know.
Like, he's on a new Cizzer record.
He's like, I'm from, it's that Mo City that side yet
because he's from Missouri City.
But in the hood, they call it Mo City.
So he's trying to do it, but he doesn't make the music
that's automatically identified with you.
Identify with Houston.
You know, he came in the game in Atlanta,
signed to Ti-I. That's how he came in.
Oh, that's what you were going on. Okay. Yeah, Travis is originally
yeah. Oh, I didn't know. I did.
No, I didn't know that. Tia. T.I. always
said that he always has a good
time in the studio and gets along with everybody. The only
person he's ever disagreed with in the studio
is Travis, because Travis has a very
clear idea of how
his music should sound. And he
know it, too. If you listen to it, like,
it doesn't sound like anything else anybody
is doing. And that's why most people
don't connect him to Houston because
he's so closely associated, associated,
with Kanye and, you know what I'm saying?
And Tia too.
And Tia, but he's not from either one of those places.
He's bred from a different place, but that's the one thing about art.
When you first heard of music, did you identify it with it?
No, no, not at all, but I'm from a different era.
You know what I'm saying?
So, so a different place than a different era.
Oh, no, just a different city.
But even more so is the time difference in the generational gap.
And I like Travis because I don't want motherfuckers to feel like they got to
lean or that they need to lean on Pimsy and DJ Screw forever.
Oh, you can't.
Like, that was a great time.
It was a beautiful time for the city.
But you can't keep being grown.
I'm just saying.
Like, the city can't grow if we don't move past June 27th.
You don't know what I'm saying, Dmo's birthday.
It's a good thing to celebrate and it's a great thing to acknowledge.
But we got to show the growth's past that.
Yes.
This is what, when Screw is looking down on us and Pemper looking down on us,
they don't want us to be.
They don't want us to keep concentrating on what they did.
They're waiting for one of us to pick up the goddamn baton.
So, like, and I'm back in the lab now because I sat around for four years and I was like,
I'm waiting to see who's going to do what.
And then I realized like, nigga, you're the OG.
You can't expect 18-year-old niggas and 21-year-old niggas.
To represent you?
Not to represent me, but to save their generation.
Older heads have always given younger heads game.
But now it's just young heads giving young heads game.
So it's the blind leading the blind.
Yes.
And we got comfortable houses and cars
and we can sit around and complain
like all the children is the only children
that we need to worry about.
But when emcees come to me and say,
yo, yo, you raise me.
I have an obligation to that MC.
That's a fucking obligation.
You know what I'm saying?
That's an obligation.
When people come up and say,
yo, y'all music raised us,
y'all niggas told me this,
then that means that they're still looking for whatever
I gave them.
And if I was the only person
that gave it to them them,
then I need to be the motherfucker
giving it to them now.
And that's why we couldn't back.
God damn bun bun you got responsibility.
No, we all do.
We all do.
Especially if we ate good.
That's the reality.
Especially if we ate good.
I'm gonna throw it more on you than me.
Okay.
I got you.
Because you know why, Bunn, like what you just said is so.
We can't save everybody.
We got to try to save somebody.
You can't go back and save the whole hood.
Some of them, some of them niggas don't want to do any more than what's being done.
They want women to take care of them.
You know what I'm saying?
So they don't some other shit anyway
We've had this combo and I might not agree with this
But I say that our generation
I say because of the age group
Our generation dropped the ball
No it's all for
Like stop being OGs at some point
Let me tell you what happened
First of all
People got scared of catching the cases
That they knew they were getting into
So they start putting drugs and guns
And young niggas in hands
That were under 18 that they knew
Wouldn't necessarily get real time
But what they did was
Stop their opportunity to progress
right so then young niggas got older
and I'm gonna tell you another thing
because nobody wanna talk about
I'm glad we're talking about this on drink chat
let's talk about it there's a lot of niggas
that went into houses
and manipulated women for sex
and money and put them on drugs
and little niggas sat in those houses
and watched niggas do that
and now they're old enough
and they remember what you did to their mama
that's why young guys don't respect
old nigs no more
you feel what I'm saying
you feel what I'm gonna identify with
but it's the same exact
This is part of why.
This is one of the reasons why.
You're not going to respect.
Because they gave,
they put cases on them that they knew little niggas would never shake.
They got mottles that put credit on their name that they can't shake.
And now they got niggas in their life in these houses,
putting values that they can't shake.
Bun, stop right there.
But here's the day,
because I want you to finish this shit.
Yeah.
But I've seen a meme the other day.
And they said,
how the fuck you mad at mumble rap?
You sold crack to their moms.
And this shit fucked me.
tell you something.
Mumble rap is,
I don't even like that term.
I don't even like young niggas.
I don't like nobody putting no term on niggas
because to be honest, just being real,
20 years ago, 25 years ago,
when they didn't understand
the Southern Slane and the way we bent our words,
they could have called us and shit like that too.
So it ain't no difference with that.
And I tell you, I tell that, you know,
I tell that, you know, yeah, Dazza Fats.
Yeah, thank you.
I tell people all the time, man,
you all need to get offended at that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
They should be offended about that shit.
They shouldn't take, if they want to take it and reclaim it and shit on the people that did it, then that's fine.
But they need to be offended by that because when people say you're mumbling, that means they really don't want to take the time to listen to what you got to say.
That's what that means.
That's all that tell me.
Oh, you know what it is.
Because I know what they're talking about.
When you first listen to a young thug record and you never heard it before, you got to back it up and listen to it again.
No, you got to rewind.
You got to wait a minute.
You got to wait a minute.
There's a pattern to this.
He's saying words, but I don't normally hear these words bent like this.
I don't hear him sung like this.
They're usually not inflected in this tone on this syllable.
So I didn't know that's what he was saying
because I ain't never heard that word said like that.
Right.
And that's flow.
Right, exactly.
And then once you get it, you're like, oh, Nick, this is, you know what?
Once you catch on.
Yeah, it takes a while to figure out what the Migos is saying.
Once you figure out, you're like, yo, these dudes are killing it.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's what we're trying to do at Drink Champs, Revolt TV.
audio boom
What we're trying to do is
We're trying to
We don't want to school people on hip hop
We want to give you our version of hip hop
Fuck it
We want to educate you
We don't want to send you
We want to mentor you know
Like the fucking blunt
We're going to send
We're getting ready for the phone call
But this is the deal
Here's the deal
When the phone read you pass the route
Here's the deal
Here's a deal
You know
You know at Revolt TV
We got great people.
We got people from Queens that work there.
We got people from motherfucking everywhere that worked there.
And you know what it is?
Here's the beautiful part about it.
It's we all represent the same culture.
It's hip-hop.
And you know what?
Our version might be different.
Their version might be different.
But the thing is, as long as we rap in hip-hop.
We didn't know.
That's the reality, you know it.
We didn't know.
I sat in Texas.
I looked at New York on TV, and I just didn't know.
You know?
people sat in New York
with the Texas on TV
looking at Dallas
and shit like that
and they didn't know
we all here looking
I didn't see
I think
we look at London
and we look at London
and see Big Benning
We don't even know
We don't even know
Black people were
And getting drunk
That's what I thought
You know
You know some of it like
I thought syrup was
Licker
Yeah liquor
I see
And that's the thing
Real talk
We were never
telling people what it was
Somebody gave it away
In the interview
I'm not gonna
I'm not here
to blast them.
They know who they are.
Definitely need you to blasts.
But no, no.
They're a good friend and they didn't realize what they were doing.
Okay.
But the understanding between everybody's like,
you're not going to just actually say what this is,
but then somebody actually said it.
And then it kind of became what it was.
But it was never just us because Philly niggas was doing it at the same time.
That's how me and being ended up door.
Well, you know, like, well, if you want to talk about that,
Mississippi and Alabama niggas sipped yellow too and Tennessee.
So when you hear Tennessee niggas talk about,
scissors, that wasn't really purple.
That wasn't red served. That was yellow.
Yeah. That was that yellow serve. What's the activist?
Activist is what they sell
now because the original serve brand was
called bar, B-A-R-E.
So when Big Moe sings about the bar baby
and we rap about sipping bar, that's what we talk about
because the original brand,
pharmaceutical brand that sold it was a company
called bar, B-A-R-E. And that's where
the name came from. So people still say
sipping bar, but they're not really sipping bar. They're probably
sipping the activist. And what
We used to sip was like sweet because their early medicine was meant to be tight.
I don't even know because I don't sip no more.
And that's why we had the screw tapes and the music slowed down.
Like that to try to, you know.
Cook some ice.
Can you pass me my ice?
But we never knew that shit was going to.
We never expected that shit to really get past what we were.
We didn't expect anybody to understand that.
Yeah.
And now it's so big.
And I remember, I remember screw getting a just old war before just no time.
That's how I had to make.
They had to make, they had to make, they had to literally make a category for him because they had
created an entirely new style of DJ.
Yeah.
Wow.
They gave it, and the awards were like a ring, I think.
I got, Justo gave me, it looked like a boombox that he made it just created.
Yeah, she was dope.
That was my favorite award ever.
I remember being there watching Slay, Slap Puggy Pee with the plaque.
We definitely hear about this bun.
Let's get into it.
Oh, that was me.
So the only people at the Justo Wars from the South that year was me and they was me and Killer Mike.
What year is this?
What year is this?
What year is it?
What year, Slate Pudgy?
But Pudgy Pugey P.
Slay's like Puggy.
I don't know who.
Pee, he was a DJ from, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was Pudgy P's from Philly.
He's a DJ from somewhere.
I'm not sure.
But he had been talking greasy about Slay.
So Slay had just won his award and went off to like,
No, Slate, DJ K-Slaid, the Drama King,
representing all of them.
That's what I'm talking about, my twin.
So he had just won his award and it went to, like the back to the back to the.
So he was doing like press.
So he like in the press like woo-woo-woo-woo.
Pudgy goes up and I don't know if you perform or won or something.
But he was on stage and he said some slick shit.
And Slay moved immediately.
And so the whole area got crazy.
And the only nigga I know is Killer Mike.
And I'm the only nigga he know.
So he got a two by four.
I got a five-hundred and we back to back.
Like we're getting out of here.
We're going on.
Because ain't nobody for to know who we is.
If you didn't come with who you fighting with, you're fin to swing.
That's how I moved.
If you ain't come with me, if you ain't come with me and you between where I'm trying to get to, we're going to move you.
And so we realize, immediately in the moment, me and you, it's going down.
Me and you, nigger.
And they just kind of happened like that.
But it didn't, it was over in about maybe five, seven minutes.
It happened real quick.
It was funny.
That was funny.
You know, that was funny.
Drama.
Let's make too know
The New York City drama
You're okay
He's the drama king
He not only who plays drama
He addresses drama
Now
One of the best times
In my life
Was when I hung out
With both of your brothers
Together
And I bring you out
Lafrak City
My first time
Leftrag and my first time
Meeting Bunn
This was a crazy way
That's your first time
Meeting butt
I thought it was crazy
Like I'm a Miami
Dude he's in Texas
Doing the first time
We're gonna meet
Is it
Is in the project
in the preface
and you know me
and it got crazy that night
it got crazy that night
it got crazy last night too
Amadale vodka
Straight out the bottom
Champ
What's the shit with the yellow rap
Crystal
Straight out the bottom
DTs drove by three times
I remember every time
I watched underage dudes
slap overage dudes
We were just sitting there
commenting on everything on the side
Just like yo
This is hilarious
I know the way he described
Let me think.
Corner beef
because somebody
pressed somebody
I'm not naming
on name but somebody
pressed somebody
and didn't know
that he was working
for somebody else
so that became a thing
like yo so I need to shoot
you to five for that
because you didn't know
there was an A&R
and A&R got
he got shot to five
Yeah we also
killed this
He got shot
Let money keep on
He got shot to five
And then while that happened
And his keys
flew out his hand
The other young homie, I don't want to say his name, but he's being used to with me in truck all the time.
He'd be in Texas guy.
Shout out to him.
Kept his foot.
I've never seen.
Kept his foot on his keys for two and a half hours.
While he was looking everywhere for his keys, they were right there under one dude's shoe.
For two and a half hours, he never moved.
He kept a home.
He kept a trail.
He kept a trail.
Yo, that was memorable.
That was an amazing night.
And trying to get a cab home.
Trying to get a cab back to the city.
You can't get a cab.
in the 90s trying to get a cab from left rack
at 3 in the border
Oh you can't get a cab
Yeah but let me just say you something
That was one of the most memorable moments
For my life
Because you know why
I don't realize how out of control
My hood is because I'm just a part of it
Like you came in me yesterday
And I feel like you finally realized
Like okay
And it was ill because you were a fake
You were blind
It was ill because
I'm rolling a little one.
I'm a truck.
I'm a bum.
One is a foul nigger.
Look at the blind.
No, I'm storytelling.
You're not happy.
It's good.
It's good.
I'm fucking.
But I thought it was beautiful because Norrie was, my whole account's famous at this point.
Yeah.
And he's in the Lexus and he's on the block with his homies.
And he brought us out there.
And he's in his hood.
And it's like, you probably don't know this.
But ever since I, ever since you did that, every time somebody comes to Houston, I picked him up.
I ride him around.
And people don't know why this happens.
I pick him up and ride around.
I take them straight.
Like, where do you want to go?
Yeah.
In Houston.
I want to go to Fifth Ward.
I want to go by the school shop.
I want to go get some.
No, I'm just giving you real.
I'm just giving you real shit.
I'm like, yo.
I'm so gas.
Because my thing is, if I can't do for people in my city with Norway did for me, they're not real.
They're not real.
Damn, Ramah.
Ramon.
You're fit to believe.
I'm so.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
But, bun, that's the best company never had in my life.
And you know what?
You never even acted like you was the hardest.
out of left right.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
But you knew that you could go home, but you knew you could,
but you know you could go home.
Did I say that about it?
Right?
And there's a lot of people that can't go home.
No, I went home yesterday.
We was home yesterday because everybody was going to.
Number one, let me tell you something.
That was the best compliment I ever got in my life because that's real shit.
The thing about it is a lot of us, we come from the hood.
A lot of people say, oh, this dick can't come back to the hood.
Not me.
Because I go right, bad.
And the words are rich.
And the words of Richard Proud, we're talking about them other biggest thing.
And then when I go back, here's the crazy shit.
They leave.
Because, you know, I was really a shooter.
I never had a shooter.
Like, I was, serious.
Like, I was the shooter.
So when I come back, everybody leaves, and it's like, it weird.
So for me, I was always a storyteller.
I was always the dude.
Like, I went to Houston and came back to Port Arthur.
Yo, this is a blunt.
Like, I went to Houston and came back.
Yo.
But that's a big thing right there.
Yo, I went to Houston, came back.
This is Sizurb.
I went to Houston, came back.
Like, I would always bring all that type of shit to my hood.
But that's a big thing right there, because you know what you just said?
You said something very important.
You said you went to Houston and then you went to Port Arthur.
See, most people who listen to this, they don't realize that Houston and Paul Thornton is too different.
I grew up, I went and a half away from Houston.
Like, I'm-scarfaces from Houston.
I'm closer to Louisiana than I am to Houston from where I'm from.
And, like, all my family.
this from Louisiana, but
there was only, if you wanted to
make music, you had to go to Houston.
Houston. Like that was where you had to go to
make your bones about music, you know what I'm saying?
So, for us,
it was a no brain, like we didn't even have
real recording studios. I'm in Port Arthur.
You know what I'm saying? But we had people that
wanted to be real emcees.
And so we just kept going at it,
kept going at it, and eventually
we went to the flea market one day
and kidding the flea market in Houston
had a sign in his store, and
He said we're looking for demos, and we got back in the car, drove back to Port Arthur, got the demo, drove back to the flea market, played him the demo, and he was like, I'm fucking this.
What you talking about you and, um, me and Pam.
Okay, but now.
We're four deep in the old school prelude.
You remember the old prelude that they have no back seat?
Yeah.
We four deep in that bitch.
Going to the flea market.
I want to go.
I want to have to the flea market, the whole other city.
I want to go a little deeper right now, bud.
Let's go.
How did you and Pimp even meet?
Me and Pimp had a mutual friend, Mitchell Queen.
And Pimp was, his name was Mitchell Queen, Big Mitch.
And Mitch was rabble with Pimp?
Yeah.
And he was married.
He was rapping with Pimp before I was.
And I had an idea who Pimp was, and I didn't really like Pimp.
And Pimp had an idea of who I was.
And he liked me.
He liked me.
I ain't like a ball where I met him.
And then we met at like a football game.
And like, he fronted me about some shit.
And I actually proved my, I don't want to get too deep in there.
I got to save some shit for the book.
Like my wife said, I got saved some shit for the book.
Save for the book, but he in front of me on something.
I proved myself right.
And from that point on, we became real tight.
Because I thought he was a certain type of dude,
and he approached me a certain way that I ain't expect from it.
Right.
And then I handled it a certain way that he didn't expect from me.
And then we realized, and this is literally like my junior year, his sophomore year.
Like before rapping anything.
Yeah, none of that.
Well, before we were making music.
Because he was already, I wasn't even really rapping.
What was UGK first album name?
I forgot.
UGK's first, our first project
was the Southern Way.
But he and Mitchell Queen
to do what I'm talking about
with UGK first.
Wait, wait, you wasn't
an original member of UGK?
No, I'm not one of the original members
of UGKK.
But that's for the book.
I've never knew this.
But that's for the book.
I've never knew it.
I got to smack myself again.
UGK.
Wivie book coming soon.
Yeah.
But it's not an actual album
that came out.
No, no, no, just as a group.
And then, because what it was, when they were two men, they were a group, and then I ended up being in another group.
So when we got together, as a four-man group, we became a totally different group.
And then when the dude heard, because the demo we made was just a four-man group.
Right.
So some were like, I want to sign y'all, but one of the other two dudes had a football scholarship.
He was like, I'm going to play football. Mahal at y'all at y'all.
Wow.
And then the other dude was like a football, like prodigy.
He was like a prospect.
But he was a junior.
So you're like, yo, I'm going to play ball like him.
So I'm just going to concentrate on this shit and get a scholarship.
So it ended up just kind of being me and pimps.
Wow.
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Let me ask you a question.
Being from Houston, being from Texas,
poured off the oil.
I'm rolling more weed on the water.
Rob, we good, right?
No, you're good.
How does Scarface play a role?
world. So Scarface was the first
time, Scarface was, this is
all right, so, I don't
want to go, I ain't going to tell that story. Like, Wifee's
like, like, Wifee said, you don't tell everything. But I will say
Scarface was the... Why, if you, let him live for one time,
one time. I will say, Scarface was the first
like real rapper with a record out that
I'd ever seen in my life.
Right. He came to, he came to a show that I
was at and rapped, and
this was Scarface back when he used to wear the suit
in the hat. And he was the first time I'd
ever been in a room with somebody
that actually had made a record. Right.
And that changed my perspective on who gets to make a record.
Why did they change your perspective?
Not that Scarface wasn't special,
but that you didn't have to just be from New York or L.A.
to actually be able to make a rap record and then go and do shows away from where you're from.
So you walk in the room.
We're in a bathroom and a skating rink.
I feel like Scarface got a feel like a feel a suit on.
A feel a suit.
He said he's a suit down like a sous suit.
A suit, yeah.
I definitely was off.
I was wrong.
So I described the scene
You got a suit.
He's with Kay Reno.
I'm in the bathroom.
Kay Reno.
I feel like it's K.
K.R.
He's from that era.
Kay Rito was like the first battle.
Kriano was like the first original
battle rapper from Houston,
like 87, 88.
Wow.
He still like the dude that will, like,
he got something more.
He got like the, he's the dude that.
He'll battle me right now?
Right now.
Like, he will two bar you to death.
Right now.
You know what I?
The two bar.
The two bar.
Well, he's like two bar, boom.
Boom.
Oh, shit.
And then up to body, to death.
Like to death, though.
Like, he's got what he calls the Black Book,
and it's literally 30 years of rap's in there.
Wow.
But, yeah, man, we were freestyling in the room,
and me and my man, David Forrest,
DA from the Black Monks,
we were hurting niggas.
You hear these guys?
We were hurting the Black Monks.
That was a rap group.
The Black Monks.
You know, I know the Black Monks says.
Come on, man.
I'm mad old school.
Did I show my age just now?
You really did.
I really did.
You really did.
I'm not like I don't know who black monks
You're sure, Jay.
And we went in there like me and them
because we went to the same high school together.
We were like body and niggas.
And then Facing K. Reno comes in.
And Faye doesn't even rap.
Kriano does 16 balls and then they just walk out.
And they just kind of just go home.
But did you know how classic
like I don't want to say that Pimp C
was idolized
after he died because
he just wasn't appreciated until he died
that's what you said
because people didn't realize
how much of the UGK
library he produced
they didn't realize how much music
outside of UGK he produced
and they didn't
producer too
yeah yeah see what I'm saying
that's what I'm talking about
people didn't really know that
and people didn't know that and he was
he didn't make beats he was a producer
he had a real discipline for music
and people didn't really
realized that outside of the South
I think Willie D was the first person
to say people think we just
lost a rapper, we lost way more
than a rapper, you know what I'm saying?
And that was what really made him great to the people
in the South because they knew he was deeper than that.
My bad, my bad, man. No, you go, you go. I'll tell you
something funny. Ice Q wouldn't do a record with me unless he
seemed to me in the studio.
And P. M.C. was the same way.
PimC. said, I think, I think he's a real
nigga, but I gotta be. I gotta be sure.
Niggas are real good.
They sell a real nigga uniform
at Walmart now.
This nigga button. You have to go to the
swap meeting and the flea morgue to get the real
nigga uniform. You get that shit at Walmart now, my name.
All right, you already co-sling each other,
leave each other alone. And up tomorrow.
It was like six, seven hours. We in the studio.
We just keep going. And Bunn is like,
all right, everybody calls on each other.
It's finished the record.
Because I'm done. You're everybody
know. If we write rhymes, I'm probably the first person
done with them.
I'm just sitting around wait for everybody up.
No, but I appreciated that so much.
I appreciate it, though.
The, you two brothers together.
I appreciate that y'all love for each other.
Because y'all love for each other
was the same exact way that
me and Capone love each other.
Meaning that I ain't got to show
Capone love on camera. I ain't got to
fuck with him. I'm going to ask you
I'm going to ask you a couple of questions.
And you should ask.
And you should ask, answer these
in a way that's very predictable.
Yes.
With you in Pone.
Yeah.
Did y'all have the same friends?
No.
Did y'all like the same kind of woman?
No.
Did y'all handle money the same way?
No.
But y'all made amazing music of history together.
God damn it, button.
You want.
You want.
I don't know where it was going.
That's it.
That's it.
This is yin and yang, right?
You understand what I'm saying?
Yeah.
This is yin and that's why that shit hurt.
Work.
And when I watched EMPD and groups like that, right?
The two-man groups.
Yeah.
And you couldn't find two different niggas than parish and everything.
Right?
But that's, but because
They were the separate.
Right, but that means that
we encompass everything that all in hoods
because that's the one thing we shed is all hood.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's the one thing you're upon.
Y'all left-wrack, nigga.
No, no.
Oh, so that's a different thing.
But it's Queens.
But Queens is a different thing.
It's, right, right.
It's bloods and fight bloods, my niggas.
But that's what made it work.
So it's cribs and fight cribs.
What made it work was.
We're from two different hood and now
That's an even deeper inning yet.
No, no, but listen, let me just say you.
Because me and Pimp went from the same neighborhood.
Pimp was the west side, nigga, I was the east side.
I can't go to Queensbridge.
I went to Queensbridge just now.
It's nothing of left rack guys there.
I went to left rack.
It's nothing of a Queen's right there.
But me and Capone set that up.
And we didn't know what we were doing.
We just had love for each other.
And we said, you know what?
Fuck that.
We're going to, we're going to mess with each other.
And here's the day.
I'm glad he's alive.
I'm glad he's still here.
Because I hugged him the other day, and I said,
damn.
And he said, look, this left-wrack,
and Queensridge.
And then he came to the left-wrack.
He said, I said, look, this Queens-Reeds and he said,
if we set that up.
And I gave him a hug.
It's beautiful, right?
It's a beautiful thing because,
had it not meant for us,
that...
We all leave respective legacies, you know.
Yes.
Right?
Yes.
Some of them bigger than others.
But we all leave.
We set precedents in the hood for one, right?
A lot of us are the first niggins.
How many times do you use that word?
A lot of us are the first niggins from our hoods that did that or saw that or brought that.
You're working on that?
Presidents.
You know what I can't pronounce it for shit.
I'm sorry.
Get into you, but.
No, no, no.
You're good.
I just want to laugh at you.
Just trying to say it.
I'm dyslexic.
Presidents.
Just a.
Yeah, I'm dyslexic.
Can't continue, bun.
No, no.
But, and because of the fact that we would have.
those people that set those presidents,
dudes that normally would have even,
like, for example,
UGK, we come from Port Arthur, Texas.
The next town to us is Beaumont, Texas.
Beef, years, like beef, physical.
Physical, physical guns, all of that.
We were the first Portauthan Niggas
to actually be able to go to Beaumont,
like, have a concert,
and let niggas mean muggers,
but, like, look,
eventually the music won them over.
And they realized that, look,
whether we like these dudes and not,
nobody even know where we're from
these dudes are actually kind of representing
the whole because we wouldn't just say
Port Arthur we'd be like yo we're from the Golden Triangle
the Golden Triangle is Portaughan and Orange
so even though Port Arthur niggas might beef
with Beaumontan niggas and beef with orange niggas
if we got to go to you know if a Beaumontan nigga
and a Portaitha niggas in Houston and they get into it
with Houston they're going shoulder to shoulder
we got to get back home right
and then we'll deal with that later
it's like Street B versus
It's like the street versus the penitentiary.
In the street, we would beef.
We're in a pen now.
We got to lock up.
It's a different dynamic.
I'm not going to get into it, but you're not going to talk about.
Now, let me ask you.
I don't want to know what side you had to choose.
It's terrible for me.
You don't need to go to jail right now.
Ever again.
But now, it came on one time with Pimp
actually got on Atlanta radio.
And he said it.
everybody.
I wouldn't say he's shitted on everybody.
He was very honest about how he saw the world.
How he saw the world.
You know what it was?
And people are scared to be honest about how they see shit.
People want to say.
Now we understand that.
But back then, that was too advanced.
No, no.
And even I was like, what is he doing?
And there were people that were like, yo, this is crazy.
Like, people are going to, people are about to go off on Pimp.
I'm like, nah, this will probably be 50.
50.
Yeah.
And they were like, you're crazy.
Like, Atlanta ain't the East Coast.
I'm like, you don't understand how people love Pim C.
Yeah.
This will probably be about 50-50.
And it became that kind of a situation.
Now, I'll be honest.
I think it's 70-30.
Pimp's way.
Pimp's way.
Like, everybody agreed with Pimp.
And I did, too.
Also, the East Coast.
And it was because Pimp had been very honest and open and eventually right about a lot of shit before there.
Right.
So when he gave that opinion, even people that lived in Atlanta kind of had to be like,
I know what he, I know what he's saying, but then I also know what he means.
Right.
Right.
And maybe he didn't.
And maybe he didn't see it in the right way.
But I know what he meant because then they were like, yo, you're saying Atlanta was a gay capital of the world.
And he's like, okay.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And at that time, people like, yo, you were wrong for that.
But now in retrospect, you go Atlantic Mall, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, too.
And I'm not saying it's nothing wrong with being gay, but I'm sorry, he was right.
There was something there was.
Like, a lot of black people that are trying to explore their sexuality or trying to confirm their sexuality or finding themselves in Atlanta, in Atlanta, Georgia.
And it's been like that.
And there was a very ugly undercurrent of people that were on the download.
And that was another thing he was trying to expose.
No, because we knew
He exposed it.
Because here's the thing, Pimsy was not homophobic.
Pimsy had no problem with gay people.
Pimsy's problem was
quit hiding the fact,
whatever you are, be that.
Yes.
Because you fucking up, as he would say.
Whoever that nigger is right there.
Pim's problem was when you're on the download
your quote, fucking up the pussy population.
Right.
Right?
And that was his problem.
If you gay, be gay, let everybody know who you are
So we can identify that and separate that and be like, okay, so you leave the women alone.
We don't have to prove nothing.
I'm going to cut you off for one second, one.
Don't come me off, any.
That's probably the first time I actually really want, I actually really love.
I don't just get to hear.
GZeezy, because Gizi, the biggest artist, he could have just turned around and just sit at it on Pimpsey.
He could have said something about it.
But you know what Gigi did?
Gigi shut the fuck up.
That was not, I'm not saying.
And I'll be on that.
That was out of all respect.
I love that.
No, no.
And Giz's my brother.
Because Gizzi didn't know Pimp.
GZ knew me.
Right.
You understand what I'm saying?
Oh, hold on.
Describe that, please.
Break that down.
GZi rolled for Pimp, like, free Pimsy and all of that because he loved me.
I knew how hurt he could have been.
But Gizzi didn't have that relationship with Pamp and vice versa.
Oh.
And so Pimp didn't really know who Gigi was.
as a person.
Wow.
I didn't know that.
In the middle of whatever he was doing,
he felt a certain way about something.
Right.
And it put me and Gizi in a funny position.
I already know that.
He's got to represent his hood.
He's got to do what he has to do.
But, and I'm telling him, look,
whatever you feel you need to do,
do what you got to do.
And he didn't.
But at the end of, no, it's not that he didn't.
No, no.
No, that's what made me respect, Jizi.
Gizi did everything he was supposed to do.
Okay.
And he'll never say this, and obviously we're drinking.
That's why he's insane.
But the reality was Gizi did everything he was supposed to do.
We did everything we were supposed to do, and God kept us away from each other.
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
To handle his situation.
And we were ready to do everything we had to do to handle our situation, and God intervened.
That's just it.
And then now, like, Jesus, he's never not been my brother.
And Pimp has never not been my brother.
Of course.
And so God was like, look, I don't want you to have to choose between brother and brother.
So here's what we're going to do.
How difficult is that for you?
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't difficult at all because G.ZZ had to do what he had to do and I had to do what I had to do.
And as many of the I understood that.
No, I'm just talking about in general.
Like I said, GZ knew what he had to do.
Right.
I knew what I had to do.
Right.
And you maintained that.
And he did too.
And that's why we could sit.
stand together as men and speak and whatever because nobody got compromise in that position.
And I don't know if you know, Bambi, but this is a podcast.
This is a show.
We don't have a Volt TV, but we big up our artists.
We give our artists their flowers when they can smell them.
We give them their drinks when they can.
Wait, hold on.
Excuse me, I can't remember another bottle.
We give them their flowers when they can smell them.
The trees, their trees.
When they can inhale them.
We give them their drinks when they can think of them.
You roll up?
And the drinks when they get drink.
That's the remix.
Yeah.
Because I've been rolled.
Oh, let me hit that.
Let me.
I need to get my trees where I can inhale it.
Yo, and Bunby, and Bunby, I don't know if you know.
But if it wasn't for UGK, they might not have been on mob deep.
No, no.
Here's a real.
Let me big you up and relax.
Go ahead.
Relax.
If it wasn't for UGK.
I'm in hell.
Go ahead.
Excuse me.
You know what?
I'll take it even further than that.
If it wasn't for an 8-ball MJG,
there might have been in UGK.
If it wasn't for a UGK,
they might have not been a mob deep.
If it wasn't for a mob deep,
they might have been to not seeing that.
I remember when,
I remember juvenile hell.
Let's go there.
This prodigies just.
You're all saying, let's go.
That's how long I've been in the hip-hop.
I've been listening to hip-hop since,
what's that called
Uptown Hustler
This nigga took it back
You definitely show on your age
Uptown Hustler
So I've been here
He's a student of the game
I've been here
He's a tough crew
And Just Ice and all these nakes
Tough crew
That's what I thought of up with Harts
With hip hop
So I watch and see where everybody comes up
I remember MobD being
Teenagers making hip hop
I remember you in Pohn
Being teenagers
And making hip hop
I remember, people don't realize.
When our first record came out, I was 18, pimper 17.
Wow.
I remember being a teenager making hip hop.
And I know what it's like when it's just you and another nigger in the room like, yo, fuck these other niggas, I got you.
And another nigga being like, you know, and I got you.
So, like, you bring your crew, y'all bring my crew, whatever.
Niggas going to get reckless.
Two men.
The niggins going to be reckless.
But when it comes to rooms that them niggas ain't in, I don't.
got you right and you got me and and that's that's the beautiful thing about what we do is hip hop
has bunged us to the world no problem no that's crazy that's crazy that's the crazy shit you
ever look at your photo map on your phone and just be like yeah like this is everywhere I've ever
been like me and my wife would just sit back and just look and just go into the map shit and look at
every way you ever took a picture nigger yeah I i don't know my name
And it's all on hip-hop.
They still my fucking passport in Atlanta.
They stole my passport in Atlanta.
But I had every fucking stamps.
The world.
I was so proud of my passport.
Shout to my nigga Mike from New York.
Mike got a North Korea passport.
He got a stamp from North Korea.
Oh, I'm about to say a North Korea.
That's the next shit.
No, he got a stamp from North Korea.
He was a stamp from North Korea.
Kim John?
No, no, no, he drove
through North Korea.
Oh, he got a
out.
They were doing gunball
and they was on their way
to Beijing
and they were going to go to
go to go ahead.
You be doing that shit.
That show's going to
this shit, though,
because I'm back on my music shit.
That's the only reason.
Gunball's where you drive
cross country.
It's 3,000 miles
in six days.
Wow.
Wow.
Just mashed.
It reminds me
with a cannonball
movies.
It is,
but it's way more hectic
can cannonball
because it's like
120 cars
probably about $80 million worth of cost.
Now, this is drink champs.
We can't let you leave without talking about, you got a new album coming out?
No, I got an EP coming out.
Then I got a new album coming out.
Oh, that's rich.
Then I got another album.
Oh, God, got another.
You got a lot.
And a book eventually on the way.
So we were going to do the album, but then wife, he was like, look, take your time on your album.
You got a bunch of music.
Put a little EP out right quick.
You can still eat on.
Let's describe.
Hey, nigger.
We don't even call it a wife.
We call it a muse.
I make art, right?
I make art.
I don't make music.
I make art.
My wife is my muse.
The muse inspires everything.
Right?
So when the muse says you're doing right,
we mash on that.
When the muse says you're doing wrong,
we erase that.
So now, describe an AP, what is that?
Five songs, three songs?
Well, we're somewhere between seven and eight.
Right?
Okay.
So we have to be careful because anything more than eight is out.
Yeah, that's borderline already.
Oh, shit.
That's true.
Just why I'm not doing no intros or outro.
So, but she was like, look, let's just put some music out, let niggas know you back.
Mm-hmm.
It'll increase the shows, get the money up.
You can still eat, and you still can do your album.
Mm-hmm.
Because my album is vision is separate from what we're doing on this.
That's you.
You want to answer this live?
Go for, buddy.
Yeah, my answer.
You gotta relax.
So, well, you got to answer it.
What is it?
Oh, no.
Troy Al-Law.
Troy Al-Allo.
Head it on.
Like that.
Troy Alor.
I feel like you got to relax.
I felt bad.
I don't know.
I'm sitting.
But it's time to roll of blood, don't relax.
Yeah, I'm in Manhattan, but I got to ask you to relax.
You should have put in my speaker.
Huh?
He's got that either.
No, I'll hit you.
I'm in the middle of an interview.
I hate you in 10 minutes.
You got to relax.
Yo, I remember.
Shout out to Branson.
You're going there, one
Shout out the president
Is that where we want to go right now?
I guess I'm in, I'm in
One of Pimp's best friends
Like we used to go to the spot
Sit there for three hours
I was just sitting
Look at Dionne Warwick on the wall
And know that Dionne Warwick went to the same tree spot I wouldn't
Let me tell you something about Pimp
I'm gonna be honest with you
Pimp
Cooleggis
They say you're enormous and real niggas
Pams say you're sure
he said
No he's gonna go all out with you
He said you're sure
And then he still wanted to meet me
He still looked at me
And he came and looked at me
He was like
I walk with you anywhere
And I said
But that's what I appreciate it
Like I actually
Because very few people are genuine
In this game right?
Very few people are genuine
So like
He was very excited
They're like, yo, to meet y'all, to meet y'all, you and to ends particular, and you were who you were.
Yeah.
Right?
Because a lot of people, I'm not going to put your niggins on blast.
I know.
I'm not going to put your own blast.
But there are a lot of people that are not who they say they are.
Right.
And when you took me to that, that's why I always go back to that.
When you took me to that, I was like, yo, I took Lou.
You can ask Lou Pichon.
All you're all.
I took every, I pick him up from the airport.
Where you want to go?
I want to go here and eat fried chicken.
I want to go here and eat barbecue.
I'll go here and see this.
I'm going to go to screw shop.
Getting my car with me, just me and you.
I'm going to take you any way you want to go and you're good.
And you're good.
And that was because Norrie took me to left rack
and was exactly who he was supposed to be in left rack.
No, thank you Bob so much for describing that book.
But it was so beautiful when I met Pimp
because Pimp said, listen,
everybody told me you're a real nigger,
but you're not a real nigga to eye coside you
has a real nigger.
So I was like, damn.
My brother was very literal.
Yeah, it's right.
Yo, so I had to go.
I went to sound-no-south.
I would never forget this.
I stood there for three hours,
and he kept looking at him like this.
The nigger never lost.
Oh, in the studio?
In the studio?
No.
And I'm looking at this.
This funny, because I knew he not lying
and I wasn't there.
And that's what's funny
because in those moments, like,
it's very important for him to be like,
Because the reality for Pimp is like
When I come to New York and you say
You that dude, I get my life to you
I don't go to every hood
The last time after you
The only hood I went to and stood until 3 in the morning
Was Chicago
Oh wow, yes
I love Chicago as well
I love Chicago as well
We sit in the hood
Shot a video late the morning
Who is what? Any artists?
Yeah, it's my man, Jay artist
I can't think of their names right now
Damn, buddy, you're fucking up
I'm no I'm no
I'm fucked up.
I'm fucked up.
It's true.
Damn, I'm going to drink him.
They're from Chicago.
Don't blame on drinks.
No.
It's true.
It's two dudes they're from...
Nah, I think more.
But there are two dudes
they're from Chicago.
Damn, I can't think of the name.
One's light skin with...
One's light skin with braids,
the other's dark skin with short hair.
And my man, Jay came on.
But they don't...
But they don't...
But they don't...
You're going to edit this one.
You know, bud, let me just say something,
Borgas boys there you go LEP bogus boy that's what we're talking about we got we got it
All right let me tell you something by you are one of the most respected people one of the
most respected artists thank you team you are one of the most respected individuals
and we want to continue to respect you bond we understand
To do that, I got to still be who I'm supposed to be.
You ain't supposed to respect somebody just because of what they did.
You got to maintain and respect people because of what they're doing.
Because if people continue to, if we continue to give people credit based on what they did,
they don't keep leaning on that and they ain't going to improve themselves.
I got to improve myself.
I got to keep making sure that I'm who I'm supposed to be for niggas.
See, we're locked in on the moment we had 10, 12 years ago.
And we respect each other on that moment.
But other niggas ain't have that moment with me or you, so we still have to maintain that.
No, his what I got to stop it.
Okay.
I got a platform.
It's two different kind of drunks.
I love this.
I got a platform.
There's ball shit, nigga.
No.
This bar shit.
This me and you at the ball right now.
I got a black.
Come on.
No, real shit.
This me and you at the ball right.
Listen, bun, I got a platform.
I got a format.
And you know what I'm going to do?
I got to stop you.
Okay.
Because you know why?
You need to be respecting.
You need to be respected.
you salute it.
U.G.K.
Bunby,
everything you guys did to you.
Take your hat off, God damn.
Take my hat off.
Look.
This is my towel.
I'm going to wipe your sweat.
God bless you.
Listen, this is what you need to do.
You need to sit here
and you need to be respected
because you know why?
Hip hop
shit salute hip hop.
And that's the part
that we don't have.
We don't have.
You know what it is.
would sit back and they say, ah, this guy is this guy,
this guy, and this guy is this guy, and that's not
what should have be happening. You know,
we just recently went to Atlanta.
I hung out with Big Boy,
I hung out with Silo, I hung out, I'm now we're hanging out with
motherfucking Bunby, and Bunby can never, ever, ever, ever
in his life come to New York, and I feel
appreciated, especially
when I'm in New York.
And you know why? Because
a lot of motherfuckers,
might not say, you know what, UGK raised us, but that's them niggas.
It's not me.
UGK.
fucking raised us.
Yo, and you know how important he is to the culture and how much he respects the culture?
Talk about the EFN.
As a DJ.
Before you go in, before you go in, I want to give you a, I love because you and RIPP
prodigy, y'all was young niggas.
Yep.
You know what I'm saying?
And we started as young niggas.
Yep.
And that was something that we respected for.
from y'all.
Because y'all was so, because
Pimp was, I was 19
and Pimp was 18 when
niggas heard us. I was 17. You were 17.
You know what I'm saying? Pimp was literally like,
yo, am I going to go and get,
am I going to graduate from high school and make music?
Right.
You know what I'm saying? And I had just graduated.
I was like, am I going to go to college?
I'm going to make music.
And both of us was like, yo, we're going to get
this shit a year. If not, we're going
to do whatever. And the day before,
we made this decision, after I
graduated on May,
on April 30th and on
I mean it was May
no it was April 30th
and literally went to New York a year
later on April 30th and signed our record deal
on May 1st. With job
with job and from that point on
we made a decision
that either way that we were going to ride
that shit out together and I've been
riding for my nigger
and the way that my nigga
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Well, what I want to say is, because you cut me off.
No, he cut me off.
No, he cut me off.
He cut me off.
No, he cut me up.
You cut me off.
And this is the first thing to cut me off.
But Bun, I'm going to tell you something, Bun.
me and this brother right here,
we started this podcast
because we wanted to respect legends.
And we could have been dead
because, you know why?
These guys want the new guys.
But me and him stuck to our guns.
And when we started this,
we want to big up brothers like you,
brothers like Pimp,
brothers like MGK.
Excuse me, M.
I said,
I thought it was just me, fuck.
Yeah.
But listen, and the thing about it is,
this is exactly what hip-hop has to do.
They keep telling me, they say, you know why drink champs work?
I met with Leo Coles, and you know what Leo Coles told me?
He said, because you're a legend, big enough, legends.
And I said, Leo, I wanted to tell him to shut up,
but then I said, I think he's right.
and that's what we got to keep doing
God bless you for the format
to do it. Bun, we're going
tonight we are celebrating
Bun motherfucking beef.
Let me get mine off, let me get mine off.
Please.
Let me get mine off.
Okay.
Because you ain't, we met in left back
that time.
And from that point on,
you know, like the DJs with the background.
You know what I'm saying?
sometimes we get overlooked over here
Like as a fan
I'm sitting here looking at you artists
Talk about it
I'm a fan
So I'm gonna stay quiet
I'm gonna listen to this
Take it all in
You know what I'm saying
And you guys have all these stories
But little do people know
The work y'all doing
Behind the scenes
And helping other people out
Bunn
No problem when I called Bunup
Back in those days
I don't know how we email or text
Or the two-way
I knew where you were going
And I'm like
I need a free stop
For the mixtape
Bam. I need another one for the mixtape.
Bomb. He says me pro-tool sessions.
I said, I got an artist. Can I use one of these sessions and make a track?
And button, keeping it real.
And this is a legend, you know what I'm saying?
Super legend.
Boom, go ahead and do it, you know what I'm saying?
And then on the recent album I did in 2015, hit him up.
God bless you. Never changed.
I still got the final.
God bless.
Thank you.
I still got the final.
And, you know, I just want to say thank you.
Because I know I'm probably not the only DJ that you were supporting.
And from all the DJs, I want to thank you.
you as well. But it was very genuine because
there's a million motherfuckers in rap.
You know, and you were very adamant on your projects
that you wanted me involved. It was a
very unique place and it wasn't a thing
of you wanted me
because I was hot or any of that. It was like
yo, I got something. I want people
to know it's a good project.
Bun, can you give me something? I just want to
support you. I appreciate it. I always
talk about... Is this an all moment?
I feel like it's an all moment.
I always talk about...
No, but I always talk
about EFN and the way that people
People probably now talk about Calut because of the genuine spirit and everybody has ever given anything that EFN's never asked for relief.
I don't know, but I feel like everybody's giving it to you because they don't they genuinely like you.
I've been looking that person, you know what I'm saying?
If it ain't taking no anyway.
And that's when I saw him, I was like, yo, look what life is taking us.
You know what I'm saying?
Look how this shit came all over the ground because everybody, and I told you this earlier, come on.
Everybody wants to win a certain way.
And you might be set up to win, but not in the way that you want to win.
But if you leave yourself open to things, you know what I'm saying?
Because I know I can guarantee neither one of you niggas thought y'all was going to win on this podcast.
Nope.
You know what?
But y'all did it because, like, you know what?
I'm going to fuck with you or you fuck with me.
We're going to get on this mic and we're going to hold each other down.
And look where it's taking.
And it's very, it's very nice to see when people will be like, yo, we're just going to ride this out and see what happens.
You know what I'm saying?
And then it ends up getting a check.
Just being real.
Shout out to Revolt.
Yo, you know, listen.
Let's big up to Revolta.
The Rock.
Yo, it's big up to Revolt.
I don't know if I should shout out to Syrac because I'm like, fucked up on Trace.
You got to Bigger for that.
You can't not shout to them out for that.
You got to big them up.
Okay, I got a big of a shout out to wife you because she's here.
And wife, she's holding you down.
Look at her.
She's like, yo, he ain't been this drunk.
She's going to swing up somebody.
I'm just throwing it out there.
She's like, he didn't been this drunk since he was doing his birthday.
He went to drunk in his birthday.
But it's good because I'm sweating too, so I'm not as drunk as I shit.
Are you doing it?
You know, you know, you're doing it with God.
You're pulling out of the premium peeing the back.
No, because I want to say that he inspired teach to get involved with the food truck and all that.
Like, I know I've seen it in some way that you helped inspire him.
And that's my brother.
Teach is a good dude.
And Teach is in the place where.
he had made money he was successful with pay
he had made money or whatever but
there wasn't any personal fulfillment for him
and he was like well what do you what do you like to do
I like to cook
he's a cook for niggins like when I come to Miami
cook for me and he cooked I was like you
you can actually really cook
and I was like if this is what you want to do
you should follow this because if you don't do this
you're gonna spend money doing something else
and you're gonna regret not doing it
doing something that you really love
to do. If you're going to take the money that you've worked hard for yourself and your family,
if you're going to put that on the line, it should be for something in that you believe in
your heart. And above everything else, he loved to cook. And he's got fulfillment now.
And it's not just about money. I used to think shit was about money. And there was a lot of things
that I missed moments with my wife, moments with my kids.
Look at you. You're looking at my mom. You don't think you. Just being real.
Your wife. I love that. That's how I am. And it's not just.
There was amazing.
That's amazing.
But it's just weird.
There were things that I felt
like, I'm like, yo, I need to make
sure they can live in a certain
house. I need to make sure they can wear
certain clothes. They can go to certain
places. But it wasn't really
about that. You know what I'm saying? It was about
living life for
personal fulfillment.
Like, what do we enjoy as a family?
What do we enjoy as a couple?
What do we enjoy from the parent to child
dynamic? And if you don't really
stick to that, you're going to lose it because the shit that we do
is designed to prop you up.
It's not designed to prop the couple of.
Us up.
The parent up. It's designed to prop you up.
You got to find it in yourself to be like, yo, I got to make sure that
I'm still a husband to my wife. I'm still a father to my kids.
I'm still a brother to my friends.
Because this game is like, you know what?
I know you got your crew with you, but you're the shit.
This shit's about you. They need you.
No, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them.
That's exactly what I'm doing on my full show.
They told me on my full show.
That's why I love seeing this nigga with you.
I could have did.
Listen, on my full show, I could have did anything,
but I hired about six different people.
And you know what?
I could have did love and hip-hop.
But if I already did love and hip-hop.
Yo, don't even get, I would bring my wife up here right now.
Let me finish.
Like, since they started?
If I really did love and hip-hip,
you wouldn't have seen him, you wouldn't see him.
And guess what?
If I were the love of hip hop,
they didn't want me to do drink champs.
No, I didn't even know that.
And shout out to,
I got nothing to get more than them, right,
and what they do.
You didn't know that.
Every time they wanted, like,
after loving hip hop, New York,
before they went to Atlanta and Hollywood.
They wanted to come to Houston.
Tell them to buy it, bar.
And the first people, they were like,
you know, me and Bombin,
we want you and your wife.
We looked at everything,
and we made a conscious decision
is the family, we don't need that.
It's not worth it.
I don't want your wife fighting nobody
because I'm going to shoot whoever.
No, no, no, don't.
Let me.
I'm sorry, sis.
Did I go too far?
But we're a real family, right?
We're a real family.
And I'm not saying anybody else saying you're real family,
but we're a real family and we didn't need that.
I'm a real family.
We didn't need that.
No disrespect to that.
We just didn't need that.
All right.
You know, and I'm not saying that people that did it like
needed it like,
You know, but that was something, like, you know what?
We have our family.
Nobody knows the dynamic in our family.
So just so you know, I'm sorry, I got to cut you off a real quick.
No, don't cut me off you.
I'll say we'll get that blunt of you here.
You don't know.
I got a blunt.
That's a blunt of it?
I thought there's a cigarette.
Listen, I'll say I have a vault TV.
Yeah.
What we're trying to do, we're trying to change black media because black media did we be controlled by black media.
Did that make, did that make sense?
No.
Did you want me say that we want to change media and that media?
No, we don't want to change media.
No, we need to change better.
You know why us as the...
And Latinos.
Us as the curated people in the world,
we don't have to change anything.
All we got to do is continue to be who we...
We need to own what we do.
You just need the owner we do.
Because they can't sell nothing without us.
We would love to get you on your wife's podcast together on a vote TV.
We will love to do that on film because we...
Look at it.
She loved that.
I think that would be amazing.
Are you all you filming this?
As long as we should get EP credit, she's fine.
You got to film it.
Because that's the only reason why we haven't done it
because at the end of the day,
we never had EP credit.
We would never get EP credit so we wouldn't do it.
If we're going to put our family out to the world,
then we need to be in control of the vision.
Okay.
Because I'm not here for a nigga to go to dinner with my wife
and have a nice dinner.
All right, let me tell you.
Somebody come in and have a fucking fight.
Are we talking about the buns?
Are we talking about the buns on camera?
On camera?
Like T.I.
No, no, no.
Shout out to T.I.
I want to buy that show.
And there's a name, but I'm not going to say it right now because somebody's going to try to go there.
If I say the name right now on this thing, they'll go there.
I'm going to tell you in your name.
I'll tell you in your ear.
No, no, no.
Tell you, I'll tell you in your head.
No, no.
I'm going to tell you here.
I love it.
Light the blood.
Call Puff.
Tell Puff in his ear.
We're gonna drink summer collata because this is my wife's favorite thing right now
Listen this is how we do it we only do unless my wife controls it because my wife has my family's best interest
I love it I love it amazing my wife is the business
Yes, I let me tell it yo can before we go no I want to tell this story before we go
CMC's locked up in jail
Puff's getting ready to start bad boys out puff comes to Houston
There's a big party that's why she's laughing this real shit
Puff comes pumps that button I'm not talking to you talking to the
wife because the wife runs the shit.
Puff officer,
this seven figures.
You're like, yo, I want to give bun this.
I want to get pimped this. I want this, this, and that,
that, that. We go home. My wife's like,
yo, we should do this.
We need, why are you not doing this?
I whispered in my wife's ear. Like, I whispered in
your ear. I was like, I'm
with you. And that's why
I'm here right now doing drink traps.
In that moment, like real shit,
real nigger shit. In that moment,
we went home after the club.
the woman in the bedroom you why are we not why are we not doing it let's go let's move I
whispered in my wife's ear like I was being your ear and that's why I'm here today
no no hold up and and and at some point in my life between that and today it's
nobody's business between that point and today my wife whispered in my eye and that's
why we hit today let's miss this one right now right now I don't know when I
leave here my wife will be like if I
lied, my wife would be like,
I respect that. You know what I'm saying?
I respect that. And listen,
if you from hip-hop,
if you're from Houston,
all that, right. If you're from the South,
if you're from anywhere else
in the world,
and you understand who this man is,
we support him, we salute him,
we respect him.
He had one of the most
controversial,
artists in the world.
And he stood there and he stood by him.
Same way as me.
Still do.
No, no. I think he won.
Like, he won. He won way more than me.
But the fact is, Bumby, we can't thank you enough.
We want to stand up.
We're going to salute you.
I'm just glad that I came to dream camp.
They got drunk.
And you know what?
And you know what the crazy shit is?
we didn't even talk about your new album.
You have a new album.
We're talking about the EP.
The EP is called extended play.
Extended play.
Extended play. And when does it come out?
August 29th.
You got any features on it?
Yeah, but you'll see that in August 29.
Yeah, but you'll see that in August 29.
Yo, what the fuck?
Because Bumby Day in Houston?
No.
No.
Because Bumby Day in Houston.
I like that.
I like that.
You have to clap what I'm ready for.
Yeah, can imagine.
Because Bumby Day in Houston, like the mayor of Houston.
gave me Bumby Day on August 30th.
That's a deeper story of that,
but I got to save it to the book.
I'm coming.
I'm coming.
So, but Bumby Day this year is a Wednesday.
So we're going to drop the album, the EP on Tuesday.
I mean?
No, no.
August 29th on the Wednesday.
But we're going to drop the EP before,
and then we're going to go out and do the food bank
and shit like that and things that we do.
Because Bumpy Day is not about me.
It's about giving back to the community, by example.
His guy.
So my wife is like,
yo, we did good once or twice.
We need to step it up.
Let's kick it up a nice, nigga.
You're bum, this is what you need.
This is what you need, this is you need, right?
Give me.
It comes to me.
But every time you...
You'll be careful what you ask for.
Every time you have a humble moment,
this is what I need.
I need you to hit me.
Because I don't want to,
I want to be the opposite of your humble moment.
Right?
So the nings be like,
you know, this bum beat.
Bomb beat.
And then you be like,
you're like, you know, I'm good.
Uh.
And then I just wanted to stand by you and be like,
fuck that, nigga.
You know what?
You have to get behind her.
No, no.
She's going to hire me to do it.
I'm telling you, white.
Because that's been her shit.
Let me know what I'm telling you.
I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
You're like, you too nice, nigga.
You're going to sign me too.
You too nice.
You got to let niggas.
You know, listen, UGK.
Bambi.
You should be celebrated every day in hip hop.
And shout out to you for being an entrepreneur.
I know.
I know.
I know your show.
No, because I know there's a short desire for you to celebrate niggas,
but I've known you, like, through, and even when I didn't know you, I knew you.
So when I met you, it was, shit was obvious, because I already knew what type of niggas y'all would.
Thank you, bum, but, but, but, but, Joe, John, you get, you know, you get paid to celebrate niggas.
This was on me.
No, I want to be, I want to, this was on me.
You can't, I'm not saying you can't big me up, but it's important.
It's important because I was telling my wife earlier, I said, yo, I said, I said, no one's,
ever understood how smart Norrie is.
I said, and that's why he's always got richer
than anybody ever thought he was going to get.
I said, no, I don't want me to put him on blast.
I don't know what I was going to put you on blast.
He didn't take it too far.
But, yo, but he's so, yeah, but no,
but Norie is a genius.
He's always gone further than anybody thought he was going to go,
which was surprising to me because I'm like,
why?
Why?
You set this up, wimpy?
No. No, she already knows.
And I was like, yo, I was like, look at him now.
He's got a fool show. He's got the pocket.
He's got all this other stuff.
Definitely didn't know this who's going.
I was like, this.
I was like, I don't even know what I can say and what I can't say.
I don't even know what I can't say it.
But the reality is that
people look at us being from certain environments,
being from certain neighborhoods,
and putting limitations on us.
And so many times we accept those limitations.
Damn, Bun.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's beautiful to see somebody like Norie that has never accepted what people said he was supposed to be.
Thank you, Mike.
And you look, I know it's not a person that shits on people.
But it's got to be very interesting to look back of everybody.
Who shit it on me?
Not only shit it on me, but was like, but this was luck.
Or this was timing or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
Lighty knew.
Damn.
God bless.
Can I say that?
Yes, please.
Chris knew.
You can say everything you want.
Just being real.
Chris knew.
Right.
I just want to say that.
Chris knew.
But I'm just saying,
nobody ever knew that they didn't want to,
if they knew they didn't want to give credit.
And I dealt with that in my career.
Niggas had an idea of what we would do,
but niggas would never give us credit.
And it's amazing to see what Nory has done
because Nori has been Nori.
This is the same dude I stood in love, frankly.
Same dude I was in the studio went.
You know, this was who I anticipated on meeting.
and that's who he ended up being
and that's who he still is.
And people don't realize
everybody is fighting,
I just want to say this
and I'm sorry,
I could be out of pocket.
Niggers are fighting
to get on drink champs
and I can show you
and I can show you my phone
and literally every seven to ten days.
I'm begging him to come on shit champs.
Yo, whenever you're ready to come on drink champs?
How many people get called
by the top, one of the top
podcast in the country?
Yo, Bun.
Thank you.
you doing? Yo, where you at? I'm in New York.
That's the only reason I'm here is because
we were talking this week.
And you were like, if you were to you.
No, but let's be real.
Let's be real. You were like, you're going to Miami. I'm in New York
right now. Can you get to Miami? I'm like, I don't
know. And then literally the next day
I got called to come and do a show in New York.
And then the day after it got booked,
I called North. Like, yo, you're in New York until
12, right? Like, I'm going to be in New York
this week. And that's why I'm on the microphone
right now. Because my man,
left this door open and as soon as I had an opportunity and called him, I walk right through.
Yeah, but in all due respect, Bunn, I really appreciate the love that you just gave me,
but I just want you to never, ever, ever, ever not remember who you are.
That's why my wife is here.
And you know why?
Straight up, because the game will, the game, all that's just designed to take you away from him.
A totally different aspect of life
What UGK did to us
Which you guys
Gave to the music community
I could never think you
No but we looked as a true man group
We looked at everybody
We looked at you and Kahn Kippon
No y'all came up before us
No what I'm saying but I'm saying
Through longevity
Right
And throughout the game
There was always a dynamic
That we could look at
When we started
I'm gonna fuck you had a bumby
P-M-C, Run-D-M-C.
There's always been
something that we could look at.
Run-D-M-C was the first
than E-P-M-D.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, even Houdini
in different groups like that, we would look at
like the two-man group.
And not just because it were two men,
because you could put those two people in the room
and leave with an album.
And that's where the dynamic
with Gangstar comes in.
The dynamic with Mob-D-C comes in,
with E-P-M-D comes in
because you've got to produce in the MC.
Put them dudes in the room, they come out with an album.
You know what I'm saying?
But even deeper than that, put these two dudes in the room
you come out with a movement, Capone and Noriega.
Damn, this nigga bumbeats, man.
His nigga killed it. He killed it.
He murdered that.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why I keep my room in the room with me,
because I can't lie.
I can't lie.
He said the muse.
That's his muse.
I can't lie.
Because she's going to sit right there.
And if I try to lie, she don't look up and be like.
What's that?
You killed that.
No, sir. God bless her.
Okay. So here's the deal, Bon.
Yo, I'm so drunk right now.
I'm almost certain it can't be anything left.
Is that bars still open downstairs?
Let's kill it right now.
We could go downstairs.
But Bun, I ain't going to lie to you, man.
I can't thank you enough because the thing about it is people think that you're so, like,
because how upfront pet was, people think.
that you're like like you you won't even answer a question because I don't I don't
talk I don't know but I'm your brother I talk it takes you know I'm talking to you
yeah I'm talking to you but in the in the in the physical world in the physical
world like me and my my better half yes I walk in any room and walk out yes yes
me on God we walk in any room and walk out I never
Let me tell you all the illish shit my brother ever said
All that fly shit and Minko's on
The illish shit pimp ever said was
I don't need body guards
I just need mighty God
Mighty God
That's it
That's it
And ever since he said that
I never told him
I move like that
I knew then I didn't need nobody with me
I didn't need nobody
If you wasn't moving with me within God
I just moved on my
myself. You know? And is that the way hip hop should be?
That's the way, no, because that's the way life should be.
Right. You know, that's the way life should be. Like, you don't need people to show who you are, prove who you are.
If you are how you say you are and you are on in that in the real way, you can move anywhere in this world.
And Pip and I are proof of that. I was telling the story earlier to Jeff and that.
Eric about, we came to New York,
we got signed, people like, yo, I want to go to Harlem.
I was like, let's go to Harlem.
Let's go. So we took a cab from
the hotel, and he was like,
where you want to go? We were like, we want to go to Harlem.
The cab dropped us off on Amsterdam on 125th.
It's just me and Pimp,
get out of cab, and that's what we are.
There's a barbershop. This is 1992.
It's a barbershop on 125th in Amsterdam.
We go in the barbershop, we get a haircut.
I got to get you.
I like you, my brother.
You know how much we've been through?
And we're trying to talk,
and it's funny because we're trying to talk about it on here.
I know, I know exactly.
We can't talk about the studio session.
We can't even talk about how crazy guy in the hood.
You're shot at the little man that slapped dude behind that tongue ring.
Son ought to be like 25 now.
You're 15 when they did that.
Yeah, well, bun, I can't thank you enough because I understand.
We'll be talking about.
I understand.
And fuck all this other shit.
No, but it's important for people to see me cry because this is what they don't get to see, right?
Hip hop is designed for ego.
Ego.
And like, big, it's getting, like, all of that.
But when you love people and you think about them and they're not next to you and you can't be next to them, you're supposed to be like that.
And so that's why I love talking through it.
I love crying while I'm talking about something because that lets people know how honest we are about what we're talking about.
You know, the thing about it is it's like we just lost prodigy.
so we can't ask havoc right now
the same way we could ask you
when pimped
yeah no no you can't
I can talk now I can talk a lot easier
and it's not like I know and see people think you get choked up
when it's like yo how you felt about
no I think about the little moments
that's what choke you up
not about you know it's for me
when I think about pimp I think about
there's new cause
you know what I'm
that he would have bought
you know what I'm like when I look at
when I look at the race
When I look at the race
Dude that's him
Yo like for real
Like people don't realize
When Finn pulled up
In the bins that he's in
In Big Pimpin
He was the first person on the street
With that car
He was in Miami with that car
I remember Ray Kwan coming up to him
I remember Fat Joe coming up to him
Because people don't realize
I forgot what it's called Spring Bling now
But it was Lao weekend
Back then
The first time they did that in Miami, it was like, it was a loud artist thing.
So the chef was in town, Joe was in town, everybody.
And we're on Collins and Pimpett just got that joint.
Nobody had that joint.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
So it was a very, very stentastic day for us.
And they put Pimp, and people did, this was before Big Pimpinp, so it let people know exactly what type of dude he was.
You know what I'm saying?
And it wasn't like, I got it before you.
It's like, I got what y'all got.
We from the South.
We can do anything anybody else to do.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
But it was the honesty about Pimp that I think it gets missed about the UGK legacy.
No, no.
It's so a fault almost.
That's the beautiful thing about you guys.
It's like when I met you, I swear to God, this is the most beautiful thing.
Pimp was like, tell him no, you come to the studio.
And I came to the studio.
Listen, this nigga analyzed every aspect of me.
But that's exactly what I would have did.
You understand?
Like, I would have this same as acting.
Pimp looked at me.
He was like,
he was like, and I was like, damn.
And then we fucked with each other the whole night.
Tell them, boss, I'm like this six.
And you would, people would never know how close this group was,
like Yuki K and Capona Noriega.
Right.
Because when people look at people,
they think people are close because they do a bunch of songs.
bunch of songs.
You know what I'm saying?
Thank you.
But the real people
that really have friendships
in music,
they don't even really do music together.
We talk about family.
We talk about children.
We talk about contracts
and legacy.
And shit, like real life shit.
You don't be like,
yo, let's do this
and let's start this.
That's not what real people do.
Real people are like,
yeah, record company's flaking on me,
right?
Like in my A and all,
he only live like 10 minutes.
How should I move on this?
And this is like,
He's like, yo, I want to go to the label and let like 50 rats loose.
It's not going to do.
They got rats.
There's New York up there.
They got rats in there.
And Bun, let me tell you something, Bun.
I can't thank you so much.
Too drunk.
No, no, no, but listen.
I am not you.
I can't thank you so much because, no, we are drink champs.
Pempsi is the drink champs.
Kepon is the drink champs.
Kepon is the drink champ.
The thing is this, this drink champ.
The thing is this.
We ain't these other shows.
We want to, like, you know,
pull up gossip and all this shit.
All we want to do is represent our hip-hop legends.
God bless you for that.
And today, we're not only bigging up you,
but we're also bigging up your brother who's not here, pimsy.
And we're also bigging up Prodigy because Prodigy's not here.
And we understand exactly what you guys are going through right now.
For real.
With you.
For real.
And this is Drink Champs.
Then drink temps is only to big up hip-hop.
Fuck everything else about life.
Hip-hop should be saluted every fucking day.
There's a war going on outside.
That makes a noise.
You know, let's see it.
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But Bun, I thank you so much.
I thank you so much.
Yo, Bun, I thank you so much for being.
We got to relax.
We got to smoke some weed, too.
I feel like my son is coming up in a little while, and I'm fucked up.
You know, listen, Bun, there's no way I can thank you so much.
Me, EFN together.
The fact that you came to the left rack with me.
It's crazy.
You hang out.
And that was the left rack yesterday.
This is a very ill.
That's why I'll laugh so much when we were all standing in front of sweet shit.
Right.
Because I don't think anybody thought you would have been who you were going to be.
I don't think nobody really thought.
Like, people thought, and me, like, we're who we are not because of what we were then.
That's the ill shit.
That's the ill shit.
Like, that's the ill shit.
Like, we're not even who we are now because of who we were then.
It's because we weren't scared to be more than we were now.
You know what I'm saying?
That's hard.
That's hard.
That's hard.
That's hard.
That's hard.
That's hard.
So, like, you know what I'm saying.
So, come on.
I feel like I, EFA.
I feel like EFing got more crests.
I'm just like, I'm telling you, I'm on fan.
I'm so good.
I'm all in because I'm a fan of both y'all.
And just Bunn, just to know that when we all, when I met Bun and Leprak, that's such a memorable.
I feel like I'm back in that moment.
And I see it like it was yesterday.
And it's, like I said, there's intricacies of that day that we could never.
That day was bananas.
As deep as this.
And I tell people all the time about that story.
So it's so funny to talk about it here in this.
space because I talk about that story all the time.
Like, yo, you want to know when I really was in New York?
You want to know when I really was in New York?
Please tell a story.
Like, like, drinking Belvedere.
I need to hear your story.
My number one moment, and there's a lot, but just literally, like, turning up the
Belvedev bottle, and then, like, I felt like I was in Clockers.
Because the niggas, the DTs heard the quarter, and I'm like, that's one time, right?
Like, it's one time, right?
Please tell a sorry, boy.
So, like, we're like, we sitting there.
We're on the corner and this is when Armadale vodka is popping, right?
Like, we're supporting.
No, no.
I'm sorry.
But we're supporting black business like we are now.
But that was the move, Armadale, right?
So I'm in New York.
I'm with Norrie.
I'm drinking Armadale.
Like, Lori's like, yo, what you want to do you in the rock?
Norrie goes over there.
And that's like, not this side.
Like, shout out the puff, but, yo, we had the magnums.
The magons.
Just being real.
We're in the hood.
So I got this huge box.
of vodka.
I'm like, yo, this is crazy.
I'm in Queens.
I'm in left, right.
And then, like, just like Clark is in,
literally in, like, the old school,
like, literally what
my man was driving past
your boy at Clarkas.
He's in the same detective, like, Lincoln
car. And I'm like, really?
Word, that's what you came to New York for?
And he's like, no, you're good.
You're good.
And apparently I was good.
But, yeah, but I watched
a couple of dudes get slapped.
Somebody got shot to five
A couple of dudes got shot to five
Y'all. It was
It really, I was like,
damn, not because it happened.
I'm like, yo, this is the same shit
though. If I was on this corner
and you're right in my
and this shit happened.
This is the same shit would have happened.
And the whole night, as the night progressed,
I'm like, a world's a ghetto.
That's all I keep saying.
The world is a ghetto.
World is a ghetto.
And you know, buddy, that's exactly
what we should.
Nothing's skisdust.
Nothing surprised me.
No, exactly.
You know what I'm saying?
Nothing scared to me.
Nothing surprised me.
I'm like, I'm going to tell this funny story.
Please.
One of the first things that happened,
little man comes up.
Nor was like, yo, but just so you know,
little man, what we don't do?
We don't eat bananas.
We don't eat hot dogs.
We don't eat corn dogs.
We're going to do that?
I was like, this is crazy.
Because you ask a little dude
from where I grew up,
but if you want a pops,
and they will look at you crazy.
Right?
And it's not that there's anything wrong with eating a popsicle.
Right.
Right.
No.
In general.
It's just, that's against my rules.
I got different rules for it.
Continue, my.
But it was very funny.
And he's looking at Nouri the whole time he said it.
And a kid was less than 12.
And then the kid less than 15 did something.
And then the kid less than 18 did something.
I'm like, yo, the world's getting finished.
But listen, you know what I eat downstairs?
I eat a hot dog or everything on it?
No hot dog.
So fact.
That's a fact.
What did I eat downstairs, Jiming?
Everything on it?
No hot dog.
I get a hot dog.
Okay, continue, bye.
No, there's nothing to say after that, you know.
The same noise.
The same noise.
Same noise.
God bless.
A high five on that tour.
It's a high five.
Black five and a white vibe.
Let me tell you something.
This is not the back in the days, or this is not nowadays.
When I asked Bomb B to come to my hood, this is what?
wasn't the nice, was.
This was the lot.
That was when niggas was like,
yo, you know these buildings
got underground shit.
Niggas is the thing shooting.
Nigs like, yo, if they come,
just run with, follow me.
All we got to do is make it to the building.
Niggins is like, all we got to do?
Niggins is, fuck.
Niggins said, all we got to do is make it to the building
because they ain't going to know
if we go up or go down.
So we're good.
Left right guy, underground shit.
So it's like, yo.
I apologize.
That was that.
time in the hood.
And it was literally,
they were like,
yo, if anything
happens, just
run with us.
It was a time in the way.
And all we got to do
is make it to the building.
All you got to do is
make it to the building
and don't worry about it.
I can't believe.
Listen,
I was like, okay.
And I ain't got to bump me like I got
now.
I got a torn meniscus,
so I ain't got to bump you.
But they were like,
all we got to do
because we're on the corner,
we're at a light.
And so it's a building
right here.
There's a building right there.
And it's like,
yo, B, we're good.
All we got to do is
make it to the building. They ain't going to know where we're going.
The DG's got to catch us before we get in the building.
Once we get in the building, they don't know if we're going up or we're going down.
In Alexa.
I'm so sorry.
I got a lot of noise.
I really got a lot of business.
I really sorry.
No, no, but that was the New York.
I wanted to see.
I'm sorry.
That's what I wanted New York.
I'm all enough to remember the Warriors and shit.
So New York had to be a certain way when I got here.
I didn't want to go to Juniors for a Cheesecake.
Shout out the part.
But that's not what I wanted.
I know, I'm taking the piss.
I'll come right back.
I'm so sorry, Bon.
I did not realize.
But we were very, we were close to the building.
I wasn't triven.
I wasn't tripping.
But that's the one thing I remember distinctly.
Yes, yo, so, bun.
It's not like we were out there selling crap,
but we were drinking big fun.
No, if he was selling crack for sure.
Come on, brother.
Who did I bailout that I met out there?
Can you talk about that?
No, no, no, no, man.
He doesn't know.
He didn't know.
Yeah, you're talking about that.
That's why I'm very careful.
Well, he showed me mad at love that day, though.
That's where I'm very true.
And I learned for the first time that you literally, it's crazy.
And he showed me love too, but she got real less than 12 o'clock for that.
It was crazy.
It was crazy.
Yeah, so, but man.
So what would you think, um, before we get up out of here, what would Pimp C think of this whole generation right now?
I think he would you think he would.
I think he would love the fact that young people are getting
paid for the music
because we used to have to
try to figure out just how to get paid for
putting a record out. Nowadays,
you get paid for putting a record out from
downloads, from streaming,
all these other things. So you get paid off of one
song, ten different ways if you know how to work the game.
We were just trying to figure out how to get
paid from putting a record out.
So I think, you know, from that aspect
he would be happy of the freedom
that artists have.
But on the other side, right, but on the
other side, he would be
I think it would be disappointed in a lack of honesty.
You know what I'm saying?
Lack of honesty, you see.
Yeah, like because we're here that, like, right now expose everything that's fake.
But if you're fake, you can't expose anything because it would expose you.
Right.
And that's what he would be disappointed about.
Pimp never had a problem with who people were.
It was about people pretending about who they were.
That was his problem.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're a gangster, you're a gangster.
If you're a hipster, you're a hipster.
If you stray, gay, whatever, just be who you tell me.
when I meet you, just be that every time I see you.
And I can live.
And if I like that, if I can accept that, I'm good with that.
But don't be...
15,000 niggas told Pimp, Norvi's a real nigga.
He still wanted to meet him.
That nix said, I gotta meet you.
He looked at me and he said.
And then he hung him to me the whole night.
Look, tell him, my.
No, and it was funny because Pimp was like,
yo, man, I'm so happy that this nigg is who he said he was.
That the people said that he was.
I'm so happy that he was who you said he was.
You and Keith Murray.
You and Keith Murray were like, were exactly who we.
Where he thought he thought they were going to be.
You were everything we thought we were going to be.
You were saying, right, before you got thought of you were saying y'all went to 2125 and y'all walked in a barbershop.
What happened?
We went in there.
We were like, we were from Texas and things were like, oh, you got to be.
You know what I'm saying?
It was like, what's you doing in the hall?
I was like, we want to get a haircut.
We want to get weed.
We want to get some food.
And niggas like, we just want to go there.
Let me say something before you can finish.
Listen.
Pimp C didn't give a fuck.
We took a cab.
The way this, and he checked me in New York.
It's not like I was in Texas or in Houston.
Pimp C said, these niggins tell me you a real nigga, Pimp.
And he started rubbing his ear like this.
I said, oh shit, I've never been chucked this way.
So I just had to ride with it.
I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
I'm a real real...
So they told me.
He said, yeah, yeah.
He said, you good?
You're a real nigga?
And I said, yeah.
I said, he said, I'm going to make sure you're a real nigga, all right?
And I said, oh, shit, yeah.
I'm a real nigga.
And then he's like, I'm going to watch you the whole night, okay?
And then me and the dick of his best friends,
but he definitely watched me the whole night.
He made sure every real nigga that came around saluted me.
And if they didn't, he looked at me.
He said, yeah, hey, pet.
Make sure.
And that's real shit.
Because it was important for us.
We were so far removed from a lot of this shit.
And we moved a certain way.
So it was like, man, we got to make sure that we, that niggas be around,
move like we move like.
move. Right.
Like, it was never about worrying about drama,
or beef, or none of that shit, like,
yo, we're going to be around certain people.
Right. We got to make sure we're around
doing that. They move like us. It's just that
simple. And if you're a real nigga, then
you're going to, you don't even get offended with a dude like
you. We need to make sure you real.
Call, you need to call, if you're real,
if you ain't got nothing to hide, take my phone.
You know what I'm saying? I said, tell him. He says,
I'm still going to, I'm still going to.
You can tell me everything you're telling him.
I'm still going to check.
He said, I'm not.
Do what you got to do.
And that was a beautiful thing.
Everything should come back right.
That's the beautiful thing because everything came back right.
And, you know, and Bun, let me just tell you something.
Munn.
And hip hop.
People don't big each other up.
People don't sit there and say to you,
Bun, we love you.
And we love what you can contribute to hip hop.
We love what you gave to hip hop.
We love what you distributed to hip hop.
And this is not the shows that you're,
on. This show that you're on right now is we gonna fucking salute that,
man.
That's beautiful because we really, we really can't thank you enough.
We're gonna continue to support your shit. We're gonna blow up your fucking album that just came out.
It's coming out.
The singles out now, game, I guess when this comes out, game time's out right now.
That's not even the single.
I just put that out just to let niggas know I still do it.
You, because I think of piss.
Take over the show.
I'm gonna do it.
Take over the show.
Take over the show.
Me, every team ain't.
No, listen, right?
I know EFN is a real DJ.
Okay, let him talk.
Let him be the old singer.
No, I'm sure.
Come on, go.
You go.
I got to go.
EFN is a real DJ, so, like, you know,
you worked with him and you said that.
Every time.
And you're like, you're still about vinyl.
Like, a lot of niggas don't know what vinyl.
A lot of problems are, like, they don't know vinyl is what it is.
Like, that was what a DJ's dream was.
Not this laptop shit.
you know freestyle cutting shit
it is so I know it's deep
If you go and look on the Riding Dirty album
On the pictures on the insert
There's a picture of me PimC and DJ Skroup
And there's a piece of vinyl behind him
And that's the test press
From the first record we ever did
Because screw was like a
He was the after I was DJ
So when I got the test press
I brought it to him
Because he was the only DJ I knew
Like mixing like so I used to go to the spot
To shoot dice
So I brought it straight to him
And it's like, yo, and this was old, this is 90, it's 92, like February in 92.
And I'm like, yo, play this.
Let me know what you think.
And I'm on the pool table shooting dice because that's where we had to shoot dice.
And after I was on the pool table in the back.
And he plays the shit and niggas like it.
He played it again.
I'm like, you'll keep that till you can keep it popping.
And I'm like, I'm 100 miles away from where I grew up.
And I'm in after I was at 3 in 1 shooting dice just to make sure my see what my record do to connect with people.
And so Screw took that record and put it on the wall in the room where he mixed that.
And when we went in that room, which is literally about eight years later, and we go in that room.
No, he didn't pull it out because it's on the wall.
So we literally posed in front of the picture.
And at this time, he wasn't DJ Screw when I gave him this record.
He's just the after-hour DJ.
We're in the after-hour club.
This is 1992.
Strippers are on like the dance floor.
We shoot dice on the pool table.
in the back of that bitch
right next to Gallagher, my nigga.
We shoot dice in that bitch
at three in the morning.
And he played my record
and niggas,
there's probably 40 niggas in the half hours
and he's like,
like that shit, that shit tight
and I ain't play that shit again.
And then I'm like,
you might have something.
And then three months later,
we in New York and Columbus Circle
and ready to go to Jive Records
on 42nd.
And what record were you talking about?
Just tell me something good.
I got the test press vinyl
and I brought it to the house.
After hours, like my nigga run that.
Let me know what you think.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it's amazing.
I'll ask you one question.
It's probably going to be a little weird.
No, no, nothing is weird.
Because.
Because I came to New York in 92 before Giuliani.
So I remember the weird New York.
You remember the weird.
So after Pimp, like, because he went off, right?
He said the time zones is different.
Yeah.
Now, how was your life after that?
Because, and then he made it clear.
He said, this is not.
This was not the first time that Pippet.
He did it before.
This was not the first time that Pippet said nothing.
I didn't know.
I didn't know Pimp was going to say what he said.
Okay.
If you look at the wire, there's a moment where Big G says, well, I can't remember
with him.
Slim Charles on the Y, but it's Big G for D.C.
And he's like, even if it's a lie, we got a riot.
on that lie. And I'm not saying my brother
lie, but no matter what my brother
says, in the moment
we got to move on that.
Even if it's a lie, we're going to have to go to
war on that lie.
Now, when me and him get in the back
room, while the shooters
in the front, me and him got to have words in the
back about why we're in this situation.
That's what I love you. You get. But the reality
is, and that
was a lot of moments where people would be like
he would get out there and be like, yo,
You know what?
Fuck so and so.
My wife is right there.
My wife knows I'm not lying.
My wife was probably on the side.
And be like, that's what we had today.
You know, and we go home.
And again, even if it ain't right, even if it's a misunderstanding, in that moment, we got to move on that.
We got to move on that.
You know?
And it was very rough for us as a family and shit like that.
Because I don't talk about a lot of that shit because that shit was real shit.
you know what I don't talk about a lot of this shit
I protect the integrity of my family
but just the reality is that even if I didn't agree with Pimp
I was riding with Pimp
that wasn't even understood
I mean that wasn't even something that had to be understood
whatever happens in that moment
people's like this is where we stand
even if I didn't agree
in that movement if we're in front of niggas
he also from the very beginning
said Bunny ain't got nothing to do with my
But I always had something to do.
You knew you had.
That's like Capone.
I'm shooting a nigga and saying.
Norrie got into your own.
Because Pimble's my little brother.
Damn.
You know what I'm saying?
Pimpone's my older brother.
Pimp was younger than me.
Capone's older than me.
So my whole thing with Pimp was like,
I understood that there were things he didn't really understand about certain things
about how to handle shit.
Pimp had what they, he didn't have what they call inner dialogue.
right?
Like, I feel this way
about this person.
Should I say this?
Should I not say?
That didn't even exist.
That didn't even exist.
I got to address this right here right now.
So that would,
whether that was a rapper,
a nigga on the street.
Did we speak about it?
Did you already?
No.
Yes.
We did?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But even if that was like Barry Weiss,
the CEO of the record company,
it would be,
I remember being in a room with,
like,
the person that determines my future, right?
you a bitch
nigga
and then get up
and walk out
and I'm like
well I guess
we understand
where all that
to this point
you know what I'm saying
so
because I talked
about a year
so
but I wasn't
going to be like
yo I don't know
what he said
but that's not
what we
if that's how he felt
then we'll talk
about that
on the plane
on the way home
like maybe
that wasn't the best
way to do this
but at the end of the day
Pemp loved this shit
no
let me tell you
see and this is
and this is
people don't understand. I'll say this
without giving away a lot about
because my wife looks up every now and then
just gives him like enough for the book.
But I will say like
this was Pimp's life. There was no plan
B. No. For Pimp for this shit.
I respect. And if there were certain moments
where he felt a certain way, even if I
didn't really understand it,
all right.
All right. Well, I guess this meeting's over.
You're a bitch.
You know what I'm saying? We out here.
You whole ass niggins don't understand what we're
trying to do.
Fuck this shit,
Monvee.
We're out of here.
Well, guys, I guess
we can't see eye to eye.
We have each other's numbers,
maybe a little later,
but what he said,
you know what I'm saying?
And on the home, like,
you know, we shouldn't have done it like that.
The niggas ain't going to have no cause.
At home, yeah.
Yeah, but in the moment,
right or right or wrong,
we got a ride on that.
Shout out to Big G.
Your, bun, I don't know
if you have a,
you got a new.
album coming out yes well I don't know if you ever because this is a different type of hip
pop show this is a different type of place where you at and at our place we big up our artists
and Bunnbee you are so fucking appreciated oh fucking yeah I don't know yo no no for real like
I don't know where you ever fucking been there's a real reason why God gave dream champs to the world
Please talk about that
Because you've been the drink champion
Hipop for a while
I think the only person that's even giving you a battle
is 40 and be legit
Digit. No, 40, 40, destroy me.
You know what I'm saying?
That was a drunk...
But that's a powerful pound.
That's powerful power ratio.
40 be legit and dame da'am.
I mean, you're like the flooring Mayweather
when I say pound for pound.
Yeah, please keep bigger.
Power for pound.
You're the drink champion.
I'm just saying that.
I'm just, that's all I'm saying.
I mean, when you go against six-for-six diggers
that's 300 pounds.
Yes.
I got a little.
Then you're gonna lose.
But, but like, you, yo, you went to every state, you went to every region, every hood, and you drank recklessly.
Not just regularly.
You drink recklessly.
To the point where it's going down, it's going down in a very real way right now.
But, but you made it home safe.
That's a beautiful thing.
That's a beautiful thing.
There's no place.
There's no person.
We're out of big up right now and drink champs.
And revolt history than Bombay.
Absolutely.
This man right here loves you.
you so much.
No, because I love you so much.
Ifan's called me a few times in his life and I'd be surprised if I didn't give you what
you.
I've probably had.
He knows.
No.
Who would be embarrassed?
But if you're in drama, smalls, these were people that were very genuine in their love
and support.
I like that.
You know what I'm saying?
They were like, yo, I ain't got no money.
I ain't got this.
I ain't got that.
I just, I really fuck with you.
And I'm doing this.
And if you want to be a part of it,
I love you, I'd be a part of it.
And I remember my wife being like, my wife was like,
yo, why are you doing this stuff?
And I'm like, yo, please trust me.
And because of you, because of drama, because of small.
You're being humble with it.
When there wasn't on music, no, but I'm being real.
Let me big you up.
No, no, no, no, because nobody can get,
because it's very easy for me to sit here and let you give me accolades.
I'll give you accolades, got there.
But EFN is a real dude, and EFN knows that there's never been any money exchange.
Just being real.
There's never been any money exchange.
And I just wanted to see him win.
And he literally, and he always wanted to see me win.
Absolutely.
There's been times where people were checking for EFM more than Bumpy.
It's being real.
They're being real.
It wasn't a lot of times.
It was a lot.
It was a couple months.
It was a couple months.
But there was an EFIT.
But no, EFIN had the upper hand.
And he was like, you know, fuck with me.
So you got to stop taking over.
Mixed.
Even with the group, I'm going to get into that.
But there's a lot.
Stop.
Let us break you up.
This is not the show.
And look, and my wife is over there, like, shut the fuck up.
It's a legend, man.
Yeah, Finn, let's talk about him now.
Let's big him up.
Yeah.
That's what you're here for.
This is for you.
This is for the unedited.
We'll put this on the edit.
No, we edit.
We don't.
We don't have anything, buddy.
I'm very uncomfortable to sit around and just, like, because I'm in a new place now where I don't want to celebrate me.
I want to celebrate God and people that have been good to me.
No, we're celebrating God, too.
You know what I'm saying?
And so, like, when people started leaning on.
me I gotta put that under
but my wife is like, yo, shut the fuck
up. I'm hungry.
It's time to go. This room is hot.
Can I please leave?
Can I get 12 minutes?
What a number.
God damn.
After two and a half man,
you think you're going to get two minutes.
Yo, B, let me tell you something.
Us in New York City,
we recognized.
We knew what y'all was doing.
in the Houston
in the poor
Arthur
we understood
what y'all was doing
but you know what happened
it's like a drinking game
when you say poor author
I got it to do you want more
no
because my wife was already
but let me just take you
but listen let me tell you something
bun
you should be saluted
every day
from Monday
through Sunday
and that's what we're going
to continue to
do and the drink champs.
Drink champs.
First of all, dream champs is everything I thought
it was going to be.
It was?
Yes.
Give me a high five.
It's everything I thought it was going to be.
I thought I was going to be the dude that came here and talked and they get drunk.
Yo.
Impossible.
Impossible.
Listen, because you know why?
We celebrate hip-hop.
And the thing about it is, in hip-hop, hip-hop don't celebrate hip-hop.
What the fuck is our problem?
This is hip hop right here.
This is, nah, this is not hip hop.
This is hip-hop.
Wow.
And Bun.
Hip.
Hip.
Pimp.
And Pimp checked me.
I've never been checked before in hip-hop.
That's funny.
So when Pimp checked me, I said, damn, I've got to check myself, too.
And we checked it.
And the thing about it is, we want to continue to support people like you, Bun.
That's why.
this works because this wasn't about money and sponsorship or none of that shit
you been out showing even at the like I said it's funny because like what you
ain't gonna patch yourself on the back that's that's for other things to do I
but but dream champs is Jean Chaps is killing it right now yeah but even in the
midst of that you kept the format and the platform all hip up opening he's like
your bomb what's up and I can show you my phone it's literally your bottom what's
yeah I've been here mom for 17 months you're gonna come fuck with me
Because we tell a left rack story to everybody.
You know what I'm saying?
And if we got to get it out there,
now we don't have to tell it no more.
Now we can just talk about this story
and how many hours we sat.
And it is sweet.
This is the new story.
This is a new story.
But this is a beautiful thing.
And shout out to revolt for supporting you for this.
No, big up a vault.
For real.
Shout out to support you for us.
Listen, Charlemagne, you got to relax.
I got a little problem with you waiting at all right,
that's Charlemagne.
You got to stop this.
respect of revolt because the revolt
is what's holding us down
that is a different
episode for a different day
but
I can't thank you so much because you know
why I want to thank you. I'm not
only want to thank you because you deserve to be
thanked but I want to thank you
for staying here and
understanding that hip hop has
to be respected
and the thing about it is
so many people they sit back
and they say ah
And then, you know what they don't do?
They don't salute the actual bars.
They don't salute the actual culture.
It's a difference between being a creative something and being the inheritor or something.
I need you describe that.
Hip-hop was something that we were a part of the creation.
The new generation hip-hop is something they inherited.
So there's a different dynamic as to how hip-hop.
We were there to create it.
It was something they got on their birthday.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, that's something they got for Christmas.
Hip hop was something they got for Christmas.
And it's not a bad thing, but they have a different discipline
and a different dynamic that we have.
And if we look at it like that, right,
that hip hop was a right for us, right?
A right of passage, but for them it was a gift.
And if we look at it like that,
then we'll understand the dynamic between us and the next generation.
And you won't fault people for not being of the culture
or understanding
like being real hip hopper,
none of that shit.
We earned it
and we gave it to them
and some of them
don't do what
we thought they would do with it
but to judge them
is to judge our children
because we all got kids
and they don't all do
what the fuck
we thought they were supposed to do.
So we're the children
that, they're the children of hip hop.
They're not the children of us
but we are also children of hip hop
so we have to remember
what we did
when Ku-Hirk and all
them gave it to us. We didn't really do what
all of them expected us to do with it.
You know what I'm saying? But it's still, hip hop
still exists. So we can't be mad because
some of them are still keeping hip hop alive. It may not be what we
wanted them to do with it. But if you're a parent, you're just
happy your kids alive.
Right? Right? You're not even if your kids
grew up bad. If you wake up in the morning and your kids alive,
we got a chance. And that's how I feel. I'm
so sorry. I'm going up in the morning. I see hip hop for
hit the whole we got a chance album but he said you said and old niggas stop acting like you knew
when because Tupac had a nose ring too because little Ouzzi vert who I feel like he's speaking
specifically because he has a nose ring and he wears a wet his toes and it's very easy for us
to judge young niggas based on what young niggas do right and it's and it's easy for us to judge
old people right because we look at the dynamic of how we got it right so we look at
the people before us who got hip hop from disco
and we look at the people after us who got
hip hop from pop records and it being
a part of the mainstream
and we, you know, for us
if people don't go through the struggle to get
to where we got, then we
feel different. Right.
But you don't live your
life for your children to have a struggle.
You live your life for your children to have it
easier. And now we're sitting here
judging our children because they had it easier than we at.
We shouldn't be doing that. We should be raising
that we're not our job to judge you one so I'm job to love them and raise them and you know what I'm
saying because when your children do fucked up shit you don't cut your children off no okay I
fucked up your children again you don't cut your children off you bring them back in and you
try again you bring them back to the principals that made you who you were and you just keep
praying that one day they'll wake up like you woke up because they're 18 and we're
18, they can fight.
Yo, but.
You're
trained champs.
He took it down.
He took it down.
He took it down.
He drank champs.
Yeah, bud.
I can't think you enough.
And you know what the crazy thing is?
I never, ever, ever, like, kind of claim that I met.
Pimsy.
I hang on the job.
No, and that's what's crazy.
And like I said, hip-hop artists that really fuck with each other don't do music.
A lot.
Right?
Like, some, this very small answer, but the people that are hip up there really bond, bond over real life shit.
We meet people in real life scenarios.
We realize, yo, if I need to talk to somebody, I'm going to call that dude.
The rest of these niggas is just on TV and just different type of niggins.
But when shit get real, like, if me and my girl ever get into it, I'm going to call that nick.
Right?
If me and my partner ever get into it, I'm going to call that nick.
And you're blessed if you can find these people.
And the culture.
You know what I'm saying?
And because the numbers
is way different
from when we started.
It was like 30 niggas.
It was like 30 niggas
tops and hip-hop.
And it's like I'll meet 30 niggers
while I'm in New York
before I get back to the airport
that want to rap.
But it's a beautiful thing
when people who are in the same struggle
find each other
and when we do, we don't exploit it.
You know?
Because you're probably mad about your deal.
I'm mad about my deal.
And we only want to let these know
we got love like that.
The only time I've ever actually done a song where everybody on the song was like,
really friends was, we did a song for, what is it, to be in Menace in the Hood, South Central,
whatever.
And it's UGK.
PemC.
It's UGK.
Lord Jamar, Keith Murray.
And those are like some of the closest friends that I've ever had in hip-hop, nor are included.
And that's like the only song niggas ever did.
But those are people that, like, when I see them, I hug them.
them like yo my niggie yo you remember when you remember when you beat me smashed on dude in front of the
club at my after party like you remember you took me on arch was in the nab and bought weed and told
me you know the big his hood and shit like that like it's very right very genuine moments when they
have a very genuine moment with you that you tell your people about i tell my people about now
we turn the world about and that's the thing before we get up out of here is i don't know how much love
you really realized that New York love you.
Do you realize that?
I knew that when I came into Amsterdam.
Okay.
At 125th.
No, no, Amsterdam and 125th.
And 125th.
I knew that when I came in a left rat, right?
I didn't have to be anything other than who I was.
I was just a regular nigga from the hood.
And niggas received it.
And I saw shit happen.
They didn't.
I didn't.
No, no, nobody gave me a pistol.
I didn't overreact.
I didn't underreact.
They didn't give you a mistake.
He's like, yo, he's a slap dude.
Okay.
But it was a reason why he slapped him.
All right.
Yo, those dudes you were sitting there talking to for a hour, him and him for to go fight.
Okay.
Now that I know why they need to fight.
That was foul.
I'm not going to go into it.
But everything that happened happened under the same scenarios where it would have happened
where I grew up.
And that for me was so eye-opening, like, yo.
And for me, it confirmed everything.
Not only is the world of ghetto, that niggas from the ghetto.
And I talk about the ghetto, the hood, and the trap.
Those are three different places.
They can all exist on one corner.
But the ghetto, the hood, and the trap are three different things
and different people come from different things.
But here's the thing, Bunn, is people, you have the worldwide ghetto paths everywhere.
The same way I'm talking to you, you can go to Atlanta and do this.
you can go to Pittsburgh
and do this
You know what
In my
Hamburg Germany
You go to Hamburg Germany
And I'm gonna say this
And we're gonna shut it down with this
Let's shut it down
My wife makes sure
I won't just use it for chicken wings
Mm
Mm-hmm
Do we have to get chicken wings?
No
Who is that?
No
talk about
That was a pleasure, man
Because when you go to hood
It's always a good chicken wings
And if you got a hood pass
You can go to the real hood spot
Thank you so much
But if you got enough of a hood pass
To go into any hood and get chicken
wings, you should be doing other shit.
Yeah, bud.
That's just that.
You're focusing on me.
We're all cameras.
You don't focus in?
Listen.
Rob, what a camera.
Bun B.
I can now, thank you so much for coming out, hanging out with drink champs and doing what we
got to do.
We got to do.
Is this over?
I don't know.
I'm drinking every time of that.
It's all you.
I'm drinking every type of liquor.
Your bun, thank you for coming, hanging out with us.
Yeah, and that.
And that
And that
Dang it
So extended play
August 29th
Monday
It's the EP
The EP
Let's talk about that
Before we get up out of here
I've been trying to do
An album
I end up doing like 42 songs
White people's like
Look
Still do an album
You say white people
The movie
Oh I think you said white people
No no
White people owe me money
White people
You got another night
Always
wife you don't know you owe you money
wife you said look I know you want to do your
album you might not get it
out before the year's over put some music out
you can still let people
know where you're coming from
you still can do your album like you want to
but you still get them checks
I was like
I was like we got 42 songs we ain't putting
a 12 on the album anyway
shout out to the solo album I didn't tell you
and nothing about that but that's coming to 2018
but she was like put something out
like she said because
everybody's out there doing things
and they're trying to do the issues like,
yo, you got this music, you've been sitting on it.
Let the world know, throw it out there
because we got a different worldview.
I'm trying to, I spend my whole life
trying to save the game
and the streets or whatever, and I realized by saving
myself, that's how I saved my brother.
You know what I'm saying?
I've been trying to save my brother, but I can't save my brother
until I save myself.
I found myself in the space where I can save...
I've been saying that's it for 10 years.
Just being real, just so
I can't do nothing for other people
until I do for myself.
Yes, you're right.
So my wife was like, look, if this is what you want to do, then we're going to stick to it.
So I go to the studio.
I did 40 songs and 42.
And she was like, this is what, this is exactly what you wanted to do.
So keep that.
Now, what do we do with what else we got?
And I was like, well, we'll put that out late.
She's like, no, fuck later.
People need to hear what you're talking about now because we're trying to do the right thing.
Wifee is my sister.
I don't know if you know that.
And just being real.
You know, I didn't say when you're drunk, you don't.
I'm just being honest.
She was like, look, we can do this.
Because my whole thing is like, I want to bite
the bullet. I mean, people call me
the OG. I never call myself OG.
Niggers call me OG. There's a connotation
that comes with that. When you accept
being called as an OG,
at some point, you got to bite the bullet for the next
generation. So my album
was the biting, was a concept
of biting a bullet for the next generation. She was like,
look, you have that.
But you still need to let people know, look,
there's leadership coming.
You know what I'm saying?
Perfect.
Like, let people know you a leader and then be a humble leader.
So I'm like, all right, so all right, cool.
So we'll come out letting the South still here.
Just like Hove just came out.
And my thing was, this is so funny.
I thought Hove was coming in December.
So I was like, yo, I need to get out before Hove.
Hove drop.
Like, yo, so now we got to.
We got to overlap.
Yeah, we're good.
We're good.
So it's like, and, and.
I love what Hope came from.
A person like Jay doesn't have to be vulnerable.
But that's so, that's so, that's so honorable for you to say that because you have one of the most honorable records that Jay Z has ever made in his life.
Jay Z doesn't ever have to be anything but Jay Z, right?
This is, I think, the closest we've seen is Sean.
Yeah.
Right?
On music.
Talk about it.
Well, I mean, I'm Bum B.
My wife doesn't call me Bambi.
My wife doesn't even call me Bunt.
You told me your wife.
My wife doesn't even call me Bun.
You told me your wife.
You don't even think you're the best rapper.
I'm not even more wife-shaven rapper.
So the dynamic is different.
And I have to assume that there's a similar maybe not.
Who you think of a wife's favorite?
I know my wife's favorite.
Who is?
J-Z.
Do we got to fuck him up?
No.
No, no.
I'm not going to put him up.
My masculinity is not going to participate, but I'm not going to participate.
My masculinity is not built on my wife's fantasies.
It's built on my wife's reality.
You know what that is?
You know what that is?
I don't worry about that.
But you know what that is?
That's a real man.
A real man can get less.
I don't care less.
But that's now.
That's now.
When she first told me that I felt a certain way.
But then my wife did the very good job of making me feel secure about the fact that what I listen to on the radio,
what I love and what life is a different thing.
You know, EFN, he, um, his girl was in, um, Thong Song.
And he was in Big Pimpin too.
And he was in, she was in his girl.
I was a girl, he?
She was a big, pinpinpin' too video too.
He always wants to bring this up.
And Thong song?
She was in a bunch of videos.
She was in my girl at the time.
She was slow.
She is not.
No, no, no.
Not now.
Not now.
Stop.
And you know what?
Can I say something about this?
If you're very.
concern about the person that you
want to be with past, you
can throw away the future. Oh, for sure.
This nigga, man, can we just say that?
This nigga mummery. Because
I can guarantee you, if you're a man
worried about how many
dudes your girl fuck, you probably
fuck three, four times. Before y'all
came together, is that, especially
if you got money.
But, and can I, can I go
there? Can I just go ahead? Please.
My pastor told me that there's
no man
built in this world that can handle
what a woman can handle.
A woman can handle her man
dealing with more than one man.
But if a man finds out
his woman slept with more than one dude,
that's how women get killed.
Like, that's murder and suicide all day.
God built women to handle things
that man could never handle.
That's all. That's all.
You know what I'm saying?
That's all.
And we're built to handle things physically.
I'm going to tell you some real shit.
God built man to handle
I'm gonna keep it real
God built man to handle shit on the shoulder
God built
build woman to handle things in their heart
right so we can handle
the weight of the
physical weight of the world
but not the emotional
you got a good woman
that can hold you down
that can hold you down
when the emotional weight of the world
weighs you down
She came in, she's in the room.
She's in the room.
I'm sorry, I'm going to close my wife right now.
My wife in my room, go in the room with your wife.
Bye.
I'm sorry.
And I'm very lucky.
Come on, let's take the picture, no.
Let's take the pick and do the drive.
I'm missing.
And we'll close it out with this.
Norie and I are very lucky that as we go into these latest stages with our wife,
as we transition from music to the next level,
that we have the same support.
system because who it was very easy to be uplifted as an emcee outside of that it's very rough
there's a lot of anxiety there's a lot of depression there's a lot of stress and if you don't
have a woman you got to go to drugs you got to go to alcohol you got to go to pills you got to go
to sex you got to go to everything except that and in my weakest moments where I felt like I need to
smoke more weed I need to drink more liquor God bless
my wife,
you need more God,
you need more family,
you need more you.
You know what I'm saying?
You need more you.
And so,
and that's what this new music
is about,
and even me being here
and being in a position
to do this podcast
was about being honest
about I have anxiety
as an artist.
I get depressed about
maybe I'm not in 2017
who I was in 2007
or 97 or whatever,
but that doesn't mean
I'm not a good man.
That doesn't mean I can't provide.
Right?
Here's a reality that a lot of artists have to deal with.
And I'm glad we can talk about this.
Please talk about it.
Artists coming to the game, you have a record, you get paid for that record,
and you assume that your life's based on that record.
So what you're getting paid for that record, you assume that's what,
you're going to get paid for the rest of your life.
Right.
And even if you find a range of where, okay, this is what the show is.
Like, from here on now, maybe $5,000 more, $5,000 less, but this is what the show is.
So you said, okay, I can live my life around that, right?
I got a wife, I got two kids.
I can live my life based on what I'm getting paid.
You have a third kid.
Then you have a fourth kid.
Then your kids graduate.
You got a kid going to college.
You got a second kid.
God forbid, you know, you end up a situation.
I say God forbid, but it's a beautiful thing because every child is a blessing.
Then one of your kids have a kid.
So you're still getting paid in 2017, which is a good.
you got paid for a show
when you only had two responsibilities.
But now you got
five responsibilities. You're still
getting that show money, maybe even a little less.
So you're still getting what
you normally got, but your responsibilities
increased. Your money don't increase, but your
responsibilities increase.
And then, but at the same time, you look
at your wife, you love your wife. You want your
wife to be comfortable. You look at your kids.
I want your kids to be comfortable.
God forbid you have got grandkids, because
they're all bets off. We're going to do
whatever we got to do for them.
Right?
But you don't want them to work.
So you take the worry that you would normally,
your wife would have about finance.
You take that.
The worry that your kids would have.
You have grandkids, you take that.
You're dealing with all of that.
And then you go around other dudes,
I come around, Norie, how you doing?
I'm good, Dee, what's up with you?
I'm good, that's a lot.
I'm not good, stress.
Just like a mother
Just be honest
It's just fucked up
She's fucked up
But I don't
It's not that I'm not gonna
I don't want to tell you that
Because from my perspective
I think you eating
Right
Right
And I don't want it to seem like
You're eating and I'm not
So
You say you're good
And I'm good
But the reality is I'm not good
And if I talk to him
Regardless of what he's eating
he's not good.
Right?
It's not about the money all the time.
You can make the money that you need to pay the bills,
but it doesn't help the stress that you deal with
in the pursuit of those bills.
It doesn't alleviate.
You can make the bills for July, right?
And then you go to bed.
Everybody's happy.
Wife's happy, kids happy.
Everybody goes to sleep at 10 o'clock.
You're up at 2 in the morning, August, September.
You know what I'm saying?
birthdays,
Christmas
and that's what's wrong with us
we've put up these
images of who we want
ourselves to be
and we tell the people that we love
that this is who we're going to be
and they can rely on that person
and you can always count on that person
and this person comes
right
you can count on this person
five people two other people come
mother-in-law, father-in-law, cousin, sister-in-law,
10 people, 12 people, 15 people.
You can count on this person.
And nobody understands that I'm not getting no extra shows.
I'm getting no extra money.
But I'm still taking on this shit.
And you don't end up telling anybody until,
yo, I thought I was supposed to get this.
It's coming.
Don't worry about that.
Don't worry about that.
You know, you got that.
Don't worry about that.
I got that.
And then this comes.
Don't worry about that.
I got that.
I got that.
And then I talk about them on new music in this world.
And it's very easy to say in the entertainment industry,
but this is the real world.
We all end up at some point robin Peter to paypoint.
And the only time it becomes a problem is what Peter gets mad.
You know what I'm saying?
Now, in hip-hop, now I'm going to keep it 100.
In hip-hop, you can find a Peter with a boy.
bunch of money they just want to be along for the rock right right so just
keeping it real and Peter's got X amount of money so it's like you if Peter fuck
with me you go here for February to November we good money we good Peter fuck with us
and then Peter should get bad all we should get bad the same time and your family
don't know that Peter's a part of it it's crazy mm-hmm and you got to try to figure
how to make all this shit make sense.
This is not my issue.
And any rapper that's watching this
knows me,
Peter and Paul.
Real talk.
My bottle, my glass is empty.
It's not about looking.
This is about real life.
We got to stop going to Peter to pay Paul.
The record industry is built around you.
Because they're Peter.
That's who Peter is.
The record is.
That's the industry.
That's the advance.
Peter's the advance.
Paul's the family.
So you got to go and get another advance
and do another album,
i.e. Rob Peter to pay Paul.
But the reality is
Peter's mad.
Because you're not robbing Peter.
Peter's just front you.
And that's where shit gets bad.
and then families fall apart because they thought you were Peter.
You killed that.
You're just being real.
And that's where families fall apart.
Can't keep going, man.
Because they thought you were Peter.
And if you're, I used to say if you luck, I almost said it if you're like, if you're blessed,
you realize that God is Peter and you've been leaning on him.
For too long.
For too long.
and Paul is man
and you've been robbing God
taking all the blessings
and opportunities from God
to make man happy
and then
God gets mad at you
because you've never given him anything
because you know what the reality is
you don't get mad at Paul,
you get mad at Peter
because reality is Peter's the nigga
that's been holding you down
Paul is the nigga you've been fronful
Paul is the fan base
Paul is social media
That's who Paul is
And he's shining too
And Paul don't care
Paul shirn't
Yo the illish shit I heard
And this is literally
From four weeks ago
I went to Bible study
And it was like
Most of us are going broke
To prove to people
We don't even like
That we got money
That's not even my word
Word to John Gray
That's not even my word
And I didn't even realize
And I'm not living like that now
Right
Listen
But I'm like, yo, I did that at some point.
So when you realize this shit, are you going to keep lying to yourself and lying to the people?
Because that's how we keep the shows up.
I'm just, I'm going to have out there right now.
That's how we keep the shows up and the money and all of that is because people want to lie about where they are.
And we co-sign that lie.
People want to be like, yo, it's all right.
We're good.
and we'd be like, yeah, it's all good.
But the sooner we admit the truth about where we're at,
the sooner they can't.
Because I went to hip hop watching Chuck D and X-Clan
trying to be real about where I was as a black man.
And they weren't getting paid for it like I get paid for it.
And it's very easy for the industry.
I'm sorry, Roth, this doesn't go against what you guys are trying to promote.
But it's very easy to go against that,
to maintain a lifestyle that you prayed for, right?
Because when you think about your family and your children,
you don't think about God.
I'm just being real.
You think about what you didn't have.
We had God when we were coming up,
but we didn't have money, we didn't have opportunity,
we didn't have privilege.
So that's what we want for our kids.
And then when you get old,
I don't know at the point where I got grandkids
and I can look at my kids as grown people.
And that's what they, I can see that that's what they wanted and needed.
Was everything that made us who we were,
but we didn't make them what they were based on that.
We thought about everything we didn't get.
Oh, like, I didn't get Atari's and Kalicos.
So when Xbox and PlayStation, I wanted to give them that.
I used to have to babysit and do other shit for Jordan.
So I wanted my kids to have Jordans.
but I was also raised to appreciate and respect and acknowledge God
and I didn't do that every moment.
I'm not saying I didn't acknowledge God in my life,
but there was some shit that I didn't do when I should have done.
And I, you know, I don't know if this, again, Rob,
I don't know if this is against.
But, but, um, just to say, you know,
I saw God and you, you saw God in you.
you saw God and me
we didn't know it was God
right?
I'm working like that
and we're there now
and
taking God out of everything
I didn't know who I was
when I started
I had more faith
in who you guys were
looking at Capona Noriega
looking at Maude
looking at EPMD
wanting to be
emulated of that
and then realizing
that I was already that
when I met him
like this nigga's me
I don't need to
you know like this thing is me
He killed that.
I met Eric in Atlanta,
I met Eric in Atlanta,
Pisa here.
It killed that.
He killed that.
You know, I got to drink more.
Nah, yeah, let's go.
And, yo,
God bless.
Thank you.
Thank you.
God bless you.
Relax.
I don't know what makes the room
to make the podcast,
but I know it made the room.
Your butt,
I can't think you is enough.
Go on, take a picture?
Yeah.
And the drug.
Yeah, they drop.
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