Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ DJ Clue and Grafh | (Ep.43)

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture. In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary, DJ Clue and Grafh. Drink Champs brings two Queens legends to the table — the one and only DJ Clue and the lyrical powerhouse Grafh. In this sit-down with N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN, the conversation dives deep into the mixtape era that changed hip-hop forever. Clue talks about his come-up from Queens streets to becoming one of the most influential DJs in the game, breaking artists and dominating radio with his classic Clue Tapes. Grafh shares his own journey through the industry grind, balancing bars, business, and authenticity in a time when staying real meant everything. From stories about Roc-A-Fella days and Desert Storm’s golden run to reflections on how New York’s sound evolved, this episode is a masterclass in hustle and longevity. The energy is raw, the laughs are heavy, and the gems come nonstop. Whether they’re talking about studio sessions, street respect, or the state of today’s music, Clue and Grafh remind everyone what Queens really represents — legacy, loyalty, and lyricism. Pour up, press play, and tap in as Drink Champs celebrates two figures who helped shape the sound and spirit of an entire generation of hip-hop. Make some noise for DJ Clue and Grafh! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 -Originally published on November 3rd, 2016   *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com   Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You predicted that the Cubs are going to win. I did. I predicted that Cubs is going to win in six, but they win seven. So we got to still make some noise for you. Let's do it up. Because he was wrong in the first time. Your first prediction with us was wrong, right? I don't remember that.

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How you don't know this? Your Dream Channel Sports. I mean, I got Thanksgiving in order. What's Thanksgiving? Well, I think Detroit is going to take it. The Detroit Lions, I'm saying. They usually have a great game this time of year. Is this because of stats or because this is what you just, you like them?

Stats. I've tried to sharpen my skills a little bit. Because I don't want to put my money on you just being like, I have a feeling. No, no. I proved it today. Shout out to Chicago that won. Can somebody Google on Christmas Day? I think it's the Cavs versus Golden State, the first time since.

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I'm looking. You said the Detroit Lions. All right. You said the Detroit Lions? Oh, for NBA, my bad. Yeah, yeah. NBA don't come on? I'm not sure.

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What up is DJ E-FN. And it's Drake Chess for a fucking podcast. Make some nice. Right now, we have a legendary DJ in the building. And I'm going to keep it 100. If it wasn't for him, I might not be where I'm at. He used to do. discover the records. I heard choke

no joke the other day say the whole tunnel was based on what record's clue was playing. He's dominated the mix tape game. He's from my home barrel. We know each other 20 years. At least. Let's say 10 because we're trying to stay young.

25. But right now in the building, we have the legendary DJ Clue and the drink chance. Make some no! What's on? What on? What on? What are? Take us in the beginning. In the beginning, is it my phone? Oh, okay.

So take us in the beginning how you first started. Was you started as a DJ or you started doing mixtapes? To be honest, sure, I started rapping, man. I used to rap. Oh, sure. I never knew that. Yeah. I used to rap, man.

I didn't really like the spotlight too much, man, at all. So, I mean, I kind of being like a little bit kind of behind the scenes, but not too much. So I said, you know, I'm going to start. Clue. I don't got a cup? Let's get Clue of a cup. Yeah, I need a cup, definitely. Need another cup.

Yeah, can we get a clue? A little cup guy had continued, so you was rap. Yes, yes, so I was rapping doing little shows here and there, you know, Rochdale Village and all that, you know, roundaway stuff. And I just decided like, yo, man, I'm going to get behind the turntables and start DJing. So, yeah, that's how that came about, man. So was the first time, like, Clue got recognized when it was a biggie join or something like that? I'm not going to say that's the time I got recognized, but that was like a defining moment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, when he got on Flex show and he was like, Clue! I'm looking for you When I find you It's on But what record was this? You got a cup for? It was I think it was the original version

Of one more chance Nah It wasn't one more chance I forget which record it was man Because I had so many records back there Man I think it might have been It might have been a snippet of juicy

And another record I think yeah Matter of back it was a snippet of juicy And then And the original the original I think of it maybe it was one more chance

it was the original version of Juicy another record he had though but you already had mad mixtapes by that point yeah I had mad mixtapes moving but it was kind of it was kind of on a local level you know what I mean

now how did you start getting these exclusive Nause freestyles like at one point if you wanted to hear Nause you had to have a clue tape yo man had to hear everything you got out of faculty.

I mean, basically, I got in the car, man. I didn't really know too many heads out there, no couple. I just got in the car and went to Quincebridge and started asking some questions. Wow. Wow. See, that, you know, when you say that, that's what the different here, pour your drink. Come on, God, damn.

We got ice for you, too. Let me get some ice for you. Yeah, yeah, I got some glass, because I don't want to touch nobody ice, let you get your own right. So that's the difference between when you DJed and what DJs is now, because DJs now, It seems like DJs just follow the trend now

They just play whatever They go to the town and Axe was hot But back then used to go In Queens Bridge In 40 projects And was it about you getting it first Or was you about You just breaking this record

It was kind of trying to find That hot new thing at the time You know what I'm saying That unfound talent And just going and grinding man and working with people in the studios and making them high joints. Definitely.

So then, now what you liked better? Back then or now? Oh, definitely back then. Back then? Yeah. Why? Break that down. I mean, I feel like it's kind of, in a way, it's oversaturated.

In a way, you know what I mean? Like, I tell the story all the time, man. You go on the Internet every day, and you wake up, and there's 14 new records to sit through this shit. albums, records, freestyles videos and I mean

me as a DJ I gotta be real meticulous with what I pick and choose to fuck with but at the same time you gotta figure

that the consumer gotta be confused because they don't know no one has enough time on their hands to click on 14 records

and check them out and they all sound the same anyway yeah some of them sound the same and some of them

is blah so it's like you know it's like roulette man you know what I mean kind of what's a record

that stand out to you right now Like, if it wasn't hot, that you would want to take this record and blow it up. A record that's not hot yet? Like, I don't want to say that's not hot, but, like, something that you into, that even if it wasn't hot, you would take this record and feel like you would personally want to break it. That's tough, man. There's a lot of records out there that kind of fuck with it.

I mean, like, when I heard the Young Amay record, I knew it was hot. You know what I mean? I knew that was going to be a smoker. A Puerto Rican got to open up his pineapple juice. Come on. Somebody stabbed the thing. Come on. A Puerto Rican, come on.

Let's go. But don't fast forward too much. I like to go back to the mixing industry. I'm a all over the place. Can I kick him in on a mix tape. I just want to know, like, how did you, how did that all get started? Like, what's the inception? When did you say, I want to be a mixtape DJ, then you start rolling them out.

I used to go Jamaica Avenue. I used to get on. But even, let's rewind a little bit. Even before that, I used to, like, have my car when I was young, you know, I had a license. As soon as soon as you get licensed back then, I was, like, like 15. I had a car back then. I just like having, you know, dope music to play. I had a little fake system. You know what? The home

speaking. Yeah, I had the same shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is DJ talk. I like it. I like it. I mean, I think everybody had. Matter of fact, here's a DJ Snapple fact. Right. I bought my system that I had in my, I had Nissan Central. Right. Right. Right. I bought my

crazy system from Who Kid. Before he was DJ. Before he was Who Kid. I bought the system that was in his car. I bought it from him because I liked it. Wow. Yeah, so I needed to shake the trestle on the Jamaica Avenue, so I was banging back then. Yeah, so I bought, I bought

Who Kids, um, his, uh, his system and threw to my trunk. You know what I mean? And, um, I used to have mix tapes. I used to get Baby J and Irv, I used to go to your house. I used to pay DJs to make me, make me a mixtape. Now, you're saying, when you say Earb, you're told my DJ? Oh, Irv Gotti got it. Oh, Irv Gotti

got it. Yeah, he used to have mixtapes and, um, it was a cat called him baby Jay. Okay. I used to get mixed tapes. Cutmaster C around that? Not yet, not yet. Okay, not yes. So I used to go to the ad and get True Life mixtates. A couple of little, you know, more local DJs, dog time, Grandmaster Vic.

They're legendary in Queens, you know what I mean? Grandmaster Vic, that's why I mentioned to that guy. So I used to get all kinds of mixtates, and I used to say, man, like, yo, if someone made a mixtape that was hot from beginning to end with no fast forward, and they get murder and make some real cash. Right. You know what I mean? So what was your first mixtape you felt like took all?

Well, I had to be sneaky, man When I started I didn't want to have Tate number one So I started Tate number 26 Oh shit You know what I mean

That's a cheat code To make people I've been doing it for a while You know what I did that But I did it with number two I started at Tate number 26 baby So That's crazy

Yeah Where did you go When did you meet You remember Mark Furman Hipok connection down here Miami Was he instrumental at all In what you did I mean he was a big

Mxtape distributor And he got rated by the feds And I know he Yeah Doge in the feds back then Was easy for me For all for people Because they were too

They tried to be too Over the top with it You know what I mean I tried to stay You know But why was that breaking federal laws I don't understand Your copyright

Yeah yeah copyright infringement Yeah But how is the copyright infringement If the artist You're a bootlegger As a mixtape DJ I had a lawyer And when I told him what I did

He's like you need to stop I said you don't understand hip hop You don't understand Yeah Gloria Estefan's lawyer I told him on mixtape you need to stop that shit right now. Yeah, even, because even the artists don't even really own the music, really.

Yeah, as you know, you know what I mean. You know, that's true. So the corporate people, they, you know, they was running down on people, man. And I heard my name tossed around, but, you know what I mean? But they didn't run down like DJ drama. Nah. I didn't go through that. I seen that, and I was like, whoa.

I mean, that was a good thing I dodged that one. You know what I mean? Wow. So now, so now, didn't you do a bad boy mixtape? I definitely did a bad boy mix tape. Was your first one? Yeah, I did the first bad boy mix tape because, you know, Harv and them, they was from my neighborhood.

Wait, Harv, from Queens? Yeah, Harv, he used to be in Queens, Nashim. Myricks. Yeah, he did two and all. It was all from around the way. So when they, um, when he was doing the mixtape, they was like, yo, you know, we want you to be on it. I said, all right, cool.

So I said, you know, let me, um. A Puerto Rican did not open this up. The Puerto Rican's not, you're going to stab both sides. Someone used a knife to open that shit, though. It's got to be a Dominican. Who opened it? You did? That shit is spitting out.

I knew it. All right, yeah. Let me get some more ice, man. We're going to get a cool drunk. He's trying to be smooth. Yo, if you try and get me drunk, this is going to be a long night, brother, Paul. Let's go.

Remember, I'm in the club every night, so I'll be drinking all the time, you know what? Right, right, right. So now, how was it? Was that your first time working with Puff? Well, actually, you know what? I mean, you know, Rwand a little bit. You know, Puff wasn't really a good friend of mine in time,

because he was mad because it was the big thing. So when he found out I was working at all state of records, you know what I mean? He called up Steve Stoutsoff was looking for me. Wow. Yeah. Because you and Steve South grew up in the same block, right? Or something like that?

Yeah, in the same neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. So when he called up there, man, like he didn't even know what was me answering the phone. I said, yeah, can I help you? Right. This is Sean Combs on. Is that kid clue?

Like, nah, nah, nah, nah, he ain't around here. Right, right, right. You know, so, I mean, it was cool. We worked it out. We smoothed out, though, man. And it was cool. Like, you know what, me and big became real cool. And, you know, the whole team.

And then? I went to Brooklyn. I had to go to Brooklyn to go pick up exclusive for Dream Mafia. I went by myself, too. You know what I mean? I had to go in the, in the P's, you know. And this is after the, um. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to go to the peas and all that.

I went to by myself to go pick up the exclusive. It's a real mixtape, right? Yeah, yeah. Back then I used to just be rolling around. Like, I ain't care who wasn't rolling. I was just trying to go do what I had to do, you know what I had to do, you know what I? Right. Yeah.

And so. Rockefeller. When did you, was, wasn't you also Rockefeller's first artist? I wasn't Rockefeller's first artist, but I mean, I was the Definitely the first DJ. Yeah, definitely the first DJ. Right. I mean, Erv Gotti had bought Jay to meet me

at a Harlem Music Hut. Mm, Harlem Music Hut. Damn, that spot is closed. About 1205th Street. Train Station right there. Go ahead. Yeah, so, you know, he was trying to get Jay's record broken. I think it was it was even in my lifetime or was I'm not sure it was one of them joints

Right But he was trying anyway he's trying to get Jay's records heard So he was like yo he's like yo I want you hear this cat blahzy blahzy blah blah And I'm like all right cool so I met him You know but you know Jay's a real monotone cool Smooth niggas so he ain't gonna ask him too much

Right So he was just like cool we met All right we're gonna get up Cool you know what I mean And then what happened So how did y'all actually connect Then Irv called me one night It was like in the middle of a snowstorm

I was in Queens I was driving And he said, yo, I got this record for you Man, I gotta come meet you It's a fire joint He said, you finished the mixtape yet? Nah, no, I ain't finished you yet What you got?

I got this record with a Jayzie and Foxy Brown There's Ain't no nigger Wow wow So he came at me game in the joint And Foxy's hot at this time or no Not yet Okay And neither is really Hove.

Hove is loophole Hove was heating up He was heating up. He was heating up. He was heating up. You know what I mean? I think a couple of songs had leaked. I had heard, like, the evils. Right.

You know what I mean? With the first joint. Right. So he was heating up. And then, but with that joint, I knew he was like, you know what? Right. I'm getting ready to make some noise. So now, Chokinot No Joke said in an interview recently that they used to base the records on the tunnel based on what records

would play. And then they would, Big Cap would take the records or like whatever you had playing on your shit. And the Big Cap would take the records, and then they would know that this is a certified tunnel bengar. But the secret was they was getting it from you. Is that true? They was getting the records from me? Like, you're not, not. Hearing it from you didn't take.

I mean, I mean, I guess, I was, I was, rest in peace to Big Cat. I was cool with the Cat's, but they never used to really be in touch with me, nothing like that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I was just doing my own thing, you know what I was kind of under the radar. No one really knew what I looked like. You know, I was just moving around, doing my thing. But it was cool, like, because, you know, like, I started bringing my tapes, like, after Queens. I was going to school in downtown Brooklyn, so I said, let me go to, you know, B Street downtown, drop some tapes off.

Right. So I dropped a couple of tapes off. They called me next morning, like, yo, the tape you dropped off. You got some more of them joints? I'm like, yeah, because I had the, I had the Methamian, M-E-T-H-O-E-O-P-E-E-H-E-A-D-E-E-A-Rly. And I had, and I had-E-E-E-E-E-Rly. How'd you get that? chill chill

chill that's all news you gotta give those secrets out now no I can't I can't do it I can't I can't do it

I can't I'm taking notes to the grave with me yeah and I had I had live nigger rap

with Marble and Nogh yeah yeah I remember yeah yeah so it was exclusive

I had that off the cassette right wow matter of fact that that song they can need

find the reals for it what you hear on that Marb deep album is the cassette version

two track version what yeah because they somehow the real got lost or destroying some, yeah. Ah.

So now that first clue album. Right. They come to you because, I mean, do you feel like, somewhat like you and Flex kind of set it up for Collet, for Collet. Like, you know, what Collet is doing is like, you and Flex is kind of. Yeah, like the DJ doing the album. Yeah, definitely.

So let's take us to that first album. They approach you or this is your idea to do an album, make a mixtape. Shit, man, I was making so much bread. I wasn't even thinking about going to know. label. You know what I mean? It was to the point where I was like, you know, at that young age you got so much

I was making so much bread, like I didn't even know to do it. Like I used to work around pocketfuls of money like, yo, like, it was like you know, go to Atrium, go spend $2,500 on Iceberg. It was nothing. You know what I mean? Pull up, clay it out and just, you know what I mean? But, I mean, Irv came to me and, you know?

Earb was instrumental in a lot of these stories, man. Me and Earve did a lot of talking, man. Like, when he was going to first break for for Def Jam, he was like, yo man, let me ask your question. He's like, what you think about me to work for Def Jam? I'm like, yeah, why not? You know what I mean? He's like, yeah, but they ain't really paying no money. You know what?

He said, Leo wanted to work, but he's not really paying them. I'm like, listen, it's more about the opportunity than it is about the money. Like, you know, once you get in and get in the door, you'd be able to make that money times 20. Right. You know what? You're right. You're right. You're right. So, Earf Gotti took the job at Def Jam

for DJ Clue. Let's make some... No, not, no, not. Hold on. Hold on. He said that's the wrongness of noise. He took the job for him. Exactly. I ain't get no money out of it. Exactly.

But, yeah, so, Irv came to me. He's like, yo, when we talked to Rockefeller about doing, you know what I mean, doing an album with you, like, you know what I mean? I'm like. So it was Irv's idea initially? Like, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah. I wasn't really, I wasn't really concentrating. I was really concentrating on building the brand, you know what I mean?

I mean, that would have been building the brand right there, yeah. Right. Listen, brother. And you weren't playing on with that. I had, I had, I had, I had, I had, I know, I know. I had it moving seriously. We know, we all know, but that's a different type of building the brand at that level.

I was distributing the chain stores across the East Coast. I know. I know. I had it moving, you know what I mean? I mean, and the money they was offering me for, it's definitely not going to be the same money, for sure. I was like, all right. It's like you're pushing weight every week with your mixed days.

So what made you wind up doing it with Rockefeller? I mean, I thought it was a good opportunity, you know what I said, you know, maybe I could, even though I'm still selling a bunch of mix-exing, I can make it on a bigger scale and, you know, get audiences across seas and stuff like that. Even though I was still already doing parties overseas and all that stuff, like independently, I still felt like it was like, you know what I could get some of the bigger artists

to do something exclusive and make it. And, you know, back then selling platinum was a big thing. I thought I'd sell platinum, which I did, you know what you did? Let's make some noise for cool selling platinum. First DJ that was platinum, right? I think Flex has plaques before you, but I think it was gold. Right, right. But so now, all right, cool.

So you come out with this album, it goes platinum, you at Hot 97. How did you get to Hot 97 from there? Tracy Clardy, who was the program director at the time. I had went to the studio a couple weeks prior before I got hired. I listened to the Biggie album because Puff One, you picked two joints and put on a mixtape. So I listened to the whole album. This is ready to die. Yeah, and the two, no, no, no, no, no, after it, die.

Oh, so it's life after death? Yeah. Okay. So, um, um, uh, Puff was like, yo, pick two songs you want. Mm. And we'll give them to you, put them on a mixtape. I said, all right. So I picked hypnotize and more money, more problems.

Mm. Yeah, so I picked them two songs. Good picks. I put them on a mixtape. Just make some more. Yeah, mix them a hundred to do it. So, so I put them on a mix tape. my voice on it and um like two days later hot nine seven had it in rotation with my voice on it

screaming shoutouts everything that's just sending it up for that from your mixing yeah so Tracy called me like she's like you listen man she's like listen you might as well come work here right you know me let me let me give you a show and you know and the show was the Monday night mixtap yeah that was the Monday night mixtape right so yeah that's how that happened man and then fabulous gets discovered well I had you over the show freestyling

Let's make some noise to be freestyle again so I had I had the inner warrior of their freestyle and my man

just skiing call him he's like yo he's like yo I've been dodging these cats for a while but he got this

I got this kid that he can rap he cool he got some potential he's like yo he's like

I want you to hear him I was like I was like all right cool I'm like not only him I'm going to hear him I'm gonna bring him

and let him freestyle right now So when he got there That was the first time you ever met him? That was the first time I ever met him and heard him Get the fuck out of here That's crazy So he walked in I met him

I said you ready All right He said yeah I'm ready I said alright Cause you brought to freestyle after Noreen I said sit down Have a chair And get him grab a mic

You know what I mean Wow Yeah So that's how that happened That's real That's real training right there Like he showed up to the occasion Like

You know what I'm saying Like every time I see Fav you know, I always show him extra love because I just remember seeing the hunger that he had at that moment and it was like nothing that was going to stop him and I was like when I peeped that because I was in a battle

not in a battle, excuse me, but Shine and Mison had had a battle we were in a cipher me, Shine and Mison and Mison and Mison looked at me like nigger you got your deal, relax. Like, and then Miceon it became a

mice on and shine battle. So I remember that same look was like when we started rhyming with FAB, FAB looked at me like, Slam, you were on already. And I just let him go. And from that day forward, he's been a star. Let's make some noise for Favre.

God damn it. I'm very proud of that. So you saw the vision right then and there with him. You was like, you know what, I'm going to make him. Because I heard he didn't even have a name. Nah, he didn't, I just heard him in their rap say, it's the F.A. B-O-L-O-U-S

In the West Circle in the U.S. And I was saying it from back to Yeah, I thought it sounded hard I was like, yo, we're going to wrong with that. Right, so he When Skane said him sitting this kid He never said his name

I think he called him to a sport back then Yeah, sport Because that's what they said, fabulous sport That's why we call him Spiz Right, right, right, right That's crazy, man I had something to do with a way Fabulous ball

I'm such a great person I always get out the great stories about me. It's such a great... About me. That's right. Sometimes you got to pat yourself in the back. So now, cool. You did the album.

You did the mixtape. Now you got this artist. Now, I'm hearing this turmoil with Fab and Interscope. You go to Def Jam. Well, even before that, man, like... You have to say it was an electric. I mean, trying to get them signs was a pain and ass because, you know, everyone looks at you is... Even with you being the hottest DJ.

They still get your heart. looks at you with that label, and the label is DJ. So they don't look past, you know, being a businessman and marketing and being to be able to produce and all. So Steve Stout had just got the job at Interscope. I think he was the president of A&R, whatever he got the job with there. Yeah, with Jimmy I. Yeah, he got the job with there. And he called me like, yo, man.

He's like, yo, why don't you come work for me, man? Like, you know what I mean? Like, come work for me. As A&R? Yeah. Okay. Because I had worked under him at our RCA. You know, we had, you know, Mom, Deep.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So he called me, and he was like, yo, want you come work for me? And I was like, I said, I come up for you, but I said, I got to be a serious situation. Like, you know what I mean? So he gave me a production deal. He's like, yo, I said, I got this artist, this kid Fabrice. I'm going to sign him? I'm like, yeah.

Right. Are you sure? I'm like, yeah. Right. So he's like, all right, bet. So they did the whole deal, production deal. Right. Vice President, A&R, that type of stuff, yeah.

Innescope. Yeah, Enescope. Yeah, Enescope. And this is after I left for a lecture. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no, that lecture was afterwards. Oh, lecture was afterwards.

Oh, I thought that was first place out. No, Interscope was first, and then we left over there. So why do you think, there's a lot of New York artists that have a lot of problems with Interscope? Because it's Inescope primarily based in Los Angeles? Yeah, West Coast. Yeah, so it's like. So you think that's the problem? I mean, sometimes that three hours off could be a different.

You know what I'm saying? We had a movement with the East Coast office, though. You know what I mean? But that power come from their West Coast. Yeah. And Jimmy Yovine live on the West Coast. They had just signed M&M. Who?

M&M. They had just signed M&M. They had just signed M&M. Oh, so they forgot about y'all. They had, let's keep it real cool. They even forgot about everybody. Listen, listen. You know, he said they just signed them, though.

Yeah. Jimmy Iveen's nephew, DJ was my intern. Get the fuck out of it. That was my intern, bro. Wow. Yeah. So they had Swa and Sway had an album Swain Tech had a compilation

They was just working on They were working on Dr. Dre You know what I mean? So I was in those meetings too You know what I mean When I mean, when I heard that album You know, I was like, I was hype The NM album?

The Dre album? I knew when I heard that Eminem my name is I knew that was gonna be one of them joints too You knew he was white off top? Yeah, yeah they told me Yeah we got this white guy You can wrap his ass on? No, I first heard the record

I was like, you never seen him before? No, I heard the record prior to me seeing M&M, so I had no idea. Like, when I seen the video, I was like, oh, shit. Like, because I thought this, I thought he was black as fuck. You know what I'm saying? I thought he's just a funny dude. Yeah. Yeah.

But, um, so now your experiences, so now, the, you was around Rockefeller when the Rockefeller was the height. They were the, the Dame and Jay were. Right, right. Did you, did you see that coming that, that they would eventually break up? ways? Not in the beginning, though, right? No, not in the beginning, everything was smooth. But you could tell, like, you know, there was a little tensions here,

and there were little fires had to get put out. You know what I mean? I mean, and that goes with any situation when you have, you know, people empowering, you know, people start buttoning heads and this person's in charge, this person's in charge of that. You know, back then Jay was kind of more in artist's mode, but he still would, like, you know, have his input and stuff like that. but dame was more instrumental like even with signing me

dame was more instrumental in signing you know me and yay and you know that was really he was the one and jay was like all right cool this do it right you know after the words but again did you now later on when did you first start seeing that this

this shit might just stop um I think I think I heard about it when when I think with the whole I think dame made cameron the president or something like that i think that's what the whole yeah that seemed like it from the outside and i was kind of like i was kind of like

i didn't i didn't understand that like i mean me personally i knew i knew it was jane damn big so right then they make an artist i was like all right cool i understand the move cam was hot as fire right so i'm like i understand the move but i in my mind i'm thinking like is jay gonna understand the move because jay's artist too You know what I mean? So at the same time, it's like, you know. But why bleak, right? I mean, I mean, well, listen, you know,

Camden and the dips, they were signed a rock for the time. So, you know what I mean? It was cool. So it's all family, but at the same time, I'm thinking to my head, and I know how a Jay think, I'm thinking like, yo, it might be, you know, a little bit of turmoil there with that situation. Right.

Who knows? But, you know, I was sitting back watching, you know, grab my popcorn. And in your opinion, when you seen that, you was like, something's wrong. I didn't think something was wrong I just knew that something would be wrong

later internally with the camp because I don't know how Some tension was built I felt like that You know what I Because I you know Usually Jay would like

You know if something happened He would You know back then He would get on his two-way And you know talk about it You know what I mean Yeah you used to have mad two-way beats Yeah

You used to have mad two-way beats on your two-way You used to have mad beats On your two-way. What's I would do? Diro's chilling Diro's chilling As a matter of fact Duro if you about that

I'm waiting for me. He got a record He's mixing for me right now So he's still mixing records Of course Damn it Dill getting a lot of money This makes a lot of money This makes a lot of money

Now Dero got about Probably about 20 to 30 Grammys From mixing records I've never been nominated For a Grammy That's why we're doing

Our own awards show We got ass eat of the year A word Category We got Don't Dr Michael's Codoo He's going to win that award.

We got cigarette nigger of the year. We got the foulest nigger of the year. We got the pettiest nigga of the year. You know, I got 50 cent up in there. Got me up in there. Who else is petty? Got Drake up in there. Drake is definitely a petty nigga.

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that it can emulate these moments. Can we have other great moments in music again? Or this is just business now? It's tough now, man, because it's different now. Nowadays, you could put out a song

and in five seconds it's everywhere in the world. Back then, when I had an exclusive coming. I had exclusive coming, man. They'd be like, yo man, it's what's today? Friday? All right, man, it's going to be at Thursday, man, all right? I'm paying an extra money to get it to you.

That tape is going to get to you. It's going to get to you. It's going to get to you in a couple of days, you know what I'm and saying? Now it's like you press the button. Right. Even by accident, the whole internet got it. All right. So it's different.

That and I just feel like there's no unity among, I think it's all a big competition there. And it's because everybody's looking in, and I talk about this all the time, with social media, I feel like social media has made the world so much smaller. you know what I mean I feel like with everything like if you even think about relationships you see less people

getting married you see more divorces because everyone feels like there's more options out there you know what I mean and the same thing with music you know what I mean like one second they'll love you

two months later like they'll not even pay attention to you yeah no music is a unloyal business yeah definitely it's a very unlawy business too all right so now for my DJ's perspective how crazy is it

when a person send you a record and you hate it I mean you know me a long time you know how I play right I know but you got to tell them you got to tell these people I keep it up with you yo

I need something else I don't care how I don't care how you think it is I don't care if you got every hot rap in America on it if it ain't it I'm gonna tell you I'll get it and ain't it this ain't the one

wow I've had to tell I don't say no names I have to tell Come on. Come on. Take another drink. Come on,

you got a drink. You're from Queens, man. We had envy on here lit, man. Oh, where? Yeah, yeah. We had envy on here lit, man. Drink your drink, man. We got Graff in here.

He's from Queens, God damn it. I had to tell a couple people like, yo, man, I don't know. This is wrecking. Now, is that the mixtape or is that when you're on the radio? I mean, I mean, both. I mean, both, yeah, yeah. Now, if I'm on the radio and, you know. Right.

I've been wrong But I've been right about 97% of the time Name a record you was wrong about A record I slept on Yeah slept on I'm the only thing of a good record I slept on I didn't read like I mean I mean

Even recently I didn't I didn't really like the The Usher No Limit record I thought it was cool I thought it was cool But no limit That's your hard clue. You bugging. Listen.

I hope that's not the way it sounds. That's the way every record. That's the way every record sounds to me, my brother. I'm in the mumble stage. I fuck with the mumble shit. Yeah, I fuck with them niggins. Go ahead. Mumble rap, I fuck with y'all.

I mean, I played it because people liked it, but at the same time, I don't think seven years from now people are going to play that a record. Or five years from now, people can play the record. That's how I judge my record. My record is it going to be a classic? Yeah, but I think, I think, I think, I think, I think you're right. But at the same time, I think people are making disposable music now.

Like, I remember back then, that might be the problem, though. We used to make Star Texx. That's a real problem. Star Texx used to last forever. But right now, an iPhone, a Samsung would blow up on you, nigga. You know what I'm saying? So people are making disposable shit. Like right now, I could just, Star Tech wouldn't break.

Star Tech That shit for all that shit It's handy If I'm from right now To that shit in my case Bangada, it's over That's what people make it music Yeah but you gotta understand

What that does To you as an artist If you start putting out Dilated It's like if you put it out Dialute to work The fiends is gonna catch on At the minute

Yeah Even though it gets high Everybody has dilated work Diluted And dilated people I can't say I can't say everybody. No, but let's say that.

Let's say that, like, 85% people have dilated work. It's kind of like, why not have the same shit? I'm talking about for artists. I'm not, I ain't trying to make that laid a way. If I'm an artist and I'm going to hop on a record that's for the moment, I'm going to hop on somebody else's record that they're doing and put a verse on it. I'm not going to put a record on it. Right.

And it's a difference between a career and a moment. You have to think about that? Yeah, I had to think about that. You're a Fabson, right? No, no. Cut on me. What did he say? What he said?

Put me off. He said, right now I get you the MVP. Long definitely gets you to Hall of Fame. You know what I mean? Right now, what's going on? You'll keep looking at that mask over there. Something like that. What's going on?

It went something like that. There's some crazy shit. What is that? It's like the Luminati's here. Oh, Cluminati's here. Clumanoi. How did you, how did he come over with that, Clubanati?

Yo, man, I just, I just, I, first of all. Do they think you're in an Illuminati right now? No, people be asking me that, but it's been, yeah. I had nothing to do with that. You've been in Illuminati for years, Clu. Let's just a minute to it right now. How many years has you been there? He's going deep.

People always ask me. Early. People always ask me that, but, um, no, man, I got the name Clue from my. I was like the board game when I was young. You know what I mean? Oh, Clude. boy gift? Yeah, that's crazy. And being that, I wanted to be behind the scenes. When I first drive my

first mixtape, I just had the name on that. So you wouldn't know who you were. So people didn't see it. That's the clue part. So I made it make sense. Yeah, we gotta get some, we gotta get some, I'm gonna get you out of Bel Air for the drink champ show. Oh. We take every liquor. Bring us a bottle of that rose from the

refrigerator. Bring us a bottle of that rose. You know, most, more, my bad, my bad. They're family, you know what I'm saying? No, Bella and family too, though. Every livers are family. Young Sav. Ricky Rosee. So, so, let me say, you. You sponsored by Sirrock and Bel Air?

Actually, I'm not fucking with Sorrock no more. I mean, I mean, I drink it, but I'm not, I'm not sponsored by it no more. What? Hold on. Because Envi said the same thing. Let's get into this, Throck. Are you about to be effing? I don't know.

If they call me and we talk about it. So I got to switch to effing the effort early? We had some, we had some. Mid-show gifts. Yeah, we get you guess. Oh, thank you, man. I appreciate it. I had some conversations with some of,

50 people about doing some stuff. But I think being at you know, being that I'm already, you know, down with Bel-Air, you know, kind of. So what happened? You was down with Surat but you're not fucking with them no more. What's the issue?

Let's get to it. I need to know. I mean, as far as I heard, like, it was a lot of controversy when I was actually, you know, promoting Syrac. Right. Ace's Spades and Bel Air at the same time.

God damn. Let's make some noise with Clue getting that money. That's what we're doing. We're sponsoring everybody. You should have seen it all the table. We're sponsoring people? No, I mean, like you let them sponsor us, nigga. Dang, I didn't you.

That's our reverse hustle you just made of it. Yeah. So they would come to me like, you know what I mean? Like, not puff, but you know, some of the people who work for, you know, around them was like, yo, you kind of posting Aces Spades a lot, man. Like, you're what's up? Like, you know. Ace of Spades is giving it all this.

We did not know. We need the, you know, we need the Sarat looks to be dominant. You know what I mean? So I guess when it came around for that renewal, a couple of years later, they was kind of like, yo, we don't think we got it in the budget. They told us something about the budget today. We are finding out. We're like a shot.

I'm such a foul person. Somebody give me a cup. I need a different cup. So now, but the Bel Air people, they're straight, you're saying? Yeah, Bel Air is cool, man. Bellet straight. Yeah. And you out.

I've been with Bel Air since the start. I mean, like, when I was in the start, I mean, like, incubation stays. So, you know, I've been this to start. So, like, you know, picking the colors, the bottle, everything. Right, right. That's the fan right there. Now, Bel Air and Wingstop. Sounds like a great combination to me.

Do you get the wing stops, too? No, no. We got to do the wingstop. Is it one in one? I told you, I see Rick Ross. That's the first thing he said to me. That was their fault, though. I know.

It was a hurricane. It was their fault. And then the hurricane. It was a hurricane. It was a hurricane fall, actually. It was the hurricane fault, yeah. We're ready to go back and do the in-store. So, Graf, Graf, come over here real quick.

Let's have a Queens moment right now. We got a mic right there. The mic over there, my brother. Yeah, sit down. You know Graff, right? Long time. Long time. You know how I broke down Queens, buses and trains.

Like, there's a... You heard me say this before? Oh, this is how I break down Queens. It's like buses and trains sections. Left frack, Queensbridge, Raviswood, Astoria, Woodside, you could all get through the trains. Then it's the buses. The bus, Elmhurst you get through and train, but it's buses too. But then once you hit Parsons Boulevard's, it's all trains.

Yeah. So y'all agree with me or I'm bugging out Because I'm retarded You know I'm dyslexic I look at everything in a different way You understand what I'm saying You're colorblind Yes I am

I'm all that way Yeah So Graff what's going on Talk to the people man Ain't shit working my eyes off man I'm happy to be here with y'n Salute the glues To salute to you of course

I'm a little time Was you around when Can I get that couple Were you around when the crew tapes Was crazy I was young But I was around for the way We was really chasing them shit

I learned this in Paris This car piece scene. Yeah. Like back then okay, yeah, it's smooth and smooth. Look at this. He thinks he's a garson. Hold on. I don't even know what that mean, but it's sound fly. Oh, yeah, I'm in.

Go ahead, grab him. Too much foaming that. I know, let's worry about it. I learned this in France. Come on. I got this shit. You got out like the P-Cin. Yeah, fact. No, the clue tapes was, but it was back then. That's that's how Niggas is getting exclusive music. For sure, sure, sure. For sure, sure. For the internet shit.

Now, tell the people, were you from in Queens so everybody know. I'm from Jamaica, man, away from Rosedale to Jamaica. Like, really, like, Fotch and America, you know what I'm saying? And then, Kluke, were you from in Queens? Tell these niggas, Pete. Uh, Springfield, and Murdoch. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tell them where you from

Queens. Sheldon. I'm from Kendall. He's supposed to say left rack. Come on. Yo, that was fucked up. They were to ask me, I would have said, you know, like, for Miami. I just want to say something, man. Like, I'll be, I'll be

slacking a little bit on left frack shots. It's not on purpose, though. Because I don't be over there checking y'all no more Right, right, because I'm not there Yeah, yeah All right I used to be over there You know what I mean

No, Coo You used to come to my career Come to my career Pick them up Pick me up Come back with freestyle I don't listen to Clue man In case I never told you man

I appreciate everything we did On the come up And you know For you to continue doing What we're doing For me to continue doing We're doing I just feel like you know

I know we both proud of each other Every time we see each other We ask you know Who's drinking, who's drinking what? Your graph, you're drinking some, um, rosay. Dr. What are you drinking? This is about the action.

You better, you better to pour some of this. We better drink both. You got a tiger bones? I'm going to chase. I didn't drink all the tiger bones. Yo, he did drink all the tiger bones. You know, up came here and made a Jeffrey. He took, you know, we had mad more bottles.

And this cup right here. He took every bottle and put it all in one drink. And we all had to drink it. And then we all had the challenge. It was crazy. I need to lie. You man, Puff. He's savage.

really, man. Right. Because, Klu, you've been partying all over the world. Who's one person you see that you don't want to party with because they take it too far? Artists-wise?

It don't matter. Whichever? Whatever comes to mind first? Yeah, my man, Big Scotty, Scott the Animal? Yeah, yeah. He gets super wasted. Super Waste. Big up the Scott the Animal.

He's a team-waisted team captain. Right, right. Okay, Grav, how about you? Who's one nigga that you, Man, this nigga's too crazy. I'm a niggas for my hood, really. Like, there's a couple of niggas I be around and get so wasted.

They want to... Shout them out. Yeah, they want to... One of my niggas, hell, he'd get crazy. He'd get crazy. He's the one of, uh, get drunk and rob niggas and fight and shit. He's the one of rob niggas. I'd be around, like, rap niggas.

Yo, come on, I know what's chain is real. I'm like, nigga, no. Like, yeah, like, I'd be in a spot with it. I say, I don't want to call niggas names who he'd be looking at. See, that's a case... Some of sports to happen. I don't even bring no niggas around Because I don't want to get in situations

Exactly My nigger They don't speed dial If they need to be handy You know Certain niggas I don't bring around them all because They don't know how to act

Like like I got a couple That's a drink chance A couple of nippers If you're gonna have to get thrown into the bus But in general I remember there's two rappers

In particular that I was to be around And when I'm in a club with them They'd be saucy on the block And he'll call my phone Like yo when you get there I'm just going to come in there We ain't got to know they together So let's say one rapper's over there

I'm gonna come in the spot I'm gonna throw a bottle of that nigga When everybody's looking there I'm putting a gun right in his mouth I'm like I'm the drunk strategy As soon I'm in the spot My phone is off

You staying in the hood forever I'm not bringing you nowhere Nick like drink there So look check it We just had Jay the Kiss on here Right and me and Jay the Kiss And EFN spoke about Like the beef now right

Like the things is happening In the hip hop now So I asked Jay I said, but when you was warring with, like, you know, state property and state property, you know, whatever. And he said, although, you know, it's beef now, he's like, but back then it was like, real, even though, like, no, nothing got to physical. Do you agree with that? Like, what shit was happening in the 90s, the early 2000s?

I mean, I don't see so much shit pop off. Like, I mean, look, not for nothing, I was there. when the biggest shit popped off in L.A. At the Soul Train Awards? Yeah, I was, like, they wasn't come out to party all weekend. And then I just seen, it was like about 1.30, it was about 1.30, it was about half an hour left in the party. Like, by 140, I see season big pull up in the party. I'm like, all right, cool.

Like, you know what I thought you wasn't coming out. Nah, nah, no, came to chill for a couple of minutes. This is the vibe party? Yeah, it's a vibe party. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then Big & C's like, yo, we're doing a barbecue tomorrow. We want you a DJ.

I said, all right, cool, no problem. So me, me being me, you know, I'm from Queens, from, you know, from the hood. I'm like, yo, it's getting late. I'm going to get up out of here. Because we got a mansion party that was throwing track masters.

Big up trackmaster. Yeah, so I had broke out. I had the new, the new Ben's drop top. I had rented. You know, I thought I was doing something. You know what I mean? And I was like, let me get out. out of here.

You know, it's too much going on. Let me get out of here. We don't smoke. No, I don't smoke. Okay. So, um, I hopped in the car and left, and I got a call, like, about half an hour. I was like, yo, Biggie got shot. Wow.

I'm like, what? Oh, when you said, when it popped off, I'm thinking you're saying, like, when the beef started, you're saying, he was there when it happened. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at the actual party. Wow. Yeah, man. So then I heard that.

and then I didn't know if it was true or not you know what I didn't know for true or not so I was in the it was all in the house party it was like it was like the locks Mary Leia like a bunch of people in the you know what I mean the party was about to be lit the house party is

You never would have thought from the party vibe that something was going to pop nah and then we got the call of yo big die man dad I'm like get the fuck out here so I told I told Chris Lighty Wow And you know, the word starts going around And everyone was like, yo, man, we got you out of here, man

You got the Elliot Wilson train In case y'all don't know, this is the Elliot Wilson train Oh shit Every time we get a good story popping Yeah, it's real talk He says it due to hate Ah, yeah, so does he get into the big story Going in right now

That's Elliot is working overtime Let's get him on the way of here Speed out of the rap right out of you, bro You keep it continuous Yeah, but I'm sorry, Cluette, continue. Yeah, so, yeah, we heard about it now. We were just like, you know what I mean?

I called seeds, gave my condones, and I'm like, yo, I was trying to find the first flight out of there. Right, L.A., right. Like, with that whole East Coast, West Coast. Because around that time, I'm not going to lie. Around that time, it was nervous going to L.A. Like, it was just nervous. It didn't feel right.

Literally, when we was in the mall, because I had went to the mall with Naz. Right, wow. Remember, Niz and Big wasn't speaking at the time. Right, exactly. So I go to the morning with Naz, and it's awkward with Macy's. I'm with Niz, and I'm with Niz, and I see Bigging them. You know, me and Biggin' them is cool, and, you know, D-Rock.

So I say it was up to them, I mean, Naz's kind of kept walking. He wasn't really speaking to them. Right. And it was, like, little kids in there, and he was, like, throwing up games signs of the big. You're like, yo, what's out? What's out of going crazy, sir? It's too big. Yeah.

But not to Naz? Nah. Wow. Nah. No, so it was kind of awkward. But at the same time, I was like, you know, I wasn't really thinking too much. I didn't know how serious it was until the incident happened. Wow.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. P-I-G. So does Clue like streaming? hear about that song. I told you how to talk to you right? We're going to talk. We're going to talk. We're going to talk.

That's hot. What is it? We're going to Clue radio? Yeah, the Clue radio app. So we're leaving Power 105? No, no, no. All right, cool. I'm trying to get it exclusive. It's a bad casual. It's a whole separate energy, man. Like, you know what I mean? I got the Clue radio app coming out real soon, so you're going

to hear about that. That's all. That's all. That's all. Dream Chats. You know, we support our artists. We support our legends over here. You know what I mean? So, you got The Clue app. Yeah, the Clue radio app. It's going to be the website. It's going to be serious, though.

It's going to be serious, bro. Trust me. And is it going to be music there? So it sounds like a platform the way you explained it. I don't want to give you too much info, but I will come back to the drink chance when it's time of launch. I will come back. That's right. That's right.

And I will give you the whole rundown. Is Clue doing another album? I actually have an EP done. Wow. I got an EP done. That's what's up. You know what I mean? I got a, I got a, I got to tell you Duros.

to a single for me. Oh, I'll miss you. I got to join with with, rest of the piece of the shanks. I got a joint with chinks. Little Wayne and Ply's I'm about to put out.

Wow. Yeah. So, it's fire. So. Elliot, working overtime. You got to let him live, man. Yeah, the long-ass train. So now you produce a classic

record for me that people always, like I swear to God, it's body in the Trump, and then it's est alok. People always be like, yo, why he ain't shoot a video to that? because in that record I say I'm in Miami

like that's like my first time in Miami and I said that on the record like how did that come about I know how it came about so what I'm saying I mean I know he's in the studio and that's when

you was like damn it a Neptune's artist right I never knew I think we was in I think we was in right track right track that was all spot

in the basement and you told me, you know, play some beats. And so we started going through some beats and, you know what I mean? And the whole vibe came out. I said, we need to make you something with the Spanish that you put in, like, I'm Panamanian, let's do this something with Spanish. He's just break a story. Hold on.

He's Panamanian. Who is Panamanian? Let's make a lot. That's why he looked at the pineapple shit off with two. He's like, that's not really Latino right there. Like, you got to stab both. Come on, you know better. since the Great Goose days

But go ahead Continue to you So I mean Yeah that's how a record came about man That's definitely a classic joint though It's a classic joint That's one of the two most requested Like because you know

That's what we try to do Like I don't really want to Record new music But if I record new music Don't be mad at me But right now Right now I don't want you

Yeah of course I wouldn't you I got an EP done too Big up to the Justice We got a whole EP done But right now I'm chilling You know what I'm saying But if I was to do

I would like to do a body in the trunk video That's crazy That's dope You know what I'm saying But I'm talking about Like new style But it'd be the same song That's fine

I know what I'm saying And we can debut on Clue radio Yeah Listen Ooh I'm a guy ain't doing That means His platform also does video

We already know that We can't We break in store Right here We're breaking stories right now. Go ahead. That's all. But listen, I was just going to clear on the freestyles you did over the Drey Beach.

Remember those freestyles? Give a nigger two-way he thinks he's CEO. Woo. Remember that? You know, Clue, man. I ain't going to front. I had to tell us to Envy, you know, y'all single-handedly was like, because I got to see y'all work. See, the thing about it is.

You know Envy's from my block, right? Right, right. He literally lives six houses up on the other side of the street. Right, right. Literally. But that was the crazy shit Was to me see y'all work Like to see y'all go in any hood

And go grab You gotta remember there's no email back then No, not at all, yeah, that's a difference So to get it exclusive Whatever it is Physically go and see people I used to have like, you know DOS effects, Mace

It's kind of my mom's basement in the car You know what I mean? Right, right So it's like, you know It is what it is, you know what I mean Like anywhere Keith Murray Right I mean Jay Z practiced for his first

show in my basement. Wow. Earth bought Earth like, yo, can I come to your crab and use it? Yeah, come on. Imagine if you filmed all that shit. Y'all are such a part of, like, hip-hop fiber. Like, this is crazy.

Fibber as hell. I don't know technically would it be. I thought that was an oak bill. If anyone right now can name the chick who sung the hook on Ain't no nigger, we need to give them a bag. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. This is fucking me up now because I'll be

swearing I'm a hip hopper story it Because she came to my crib too It was her. It was her. No, I don't even know her name. Oh, her and Jen. We got has here. Hasn't the sound. Google that shit. I bet you Google don't even know. I don't think we might not even know that one, man.

I ain't go lie. Google might not know that. That's a good one. You don't know her name either, you said? No, and she went to the crib. So Google ain't going to know that shit. Trust me. If Google don't work Wikipedia, she is Wikipedia that. Whatever she's doing their life,

somewhere saying that was me that's a fact she's definitely using that card you have to come on that was like the first breakout record for Jay-Z what was what was what do you think was your biggest record that you had

see it depends on the difference it's Super thug sometimes as far as bringing you to the world Super that would be the biggest record no the first record yeah the first like as a solo crossover record first crossover record that definitely is super because Kalis was on that right

no that was not Who's on that? Damn, you're trying to put me under the dog. Didn't you say that she did that? But I was trying to keep it here. No, didn't you say that she sang that part? Who? Calisi.

No, that's not Calice. That is not Calisi. I'm listening to Game of Thrones too much. I'm watching Game of Thrones too much. It wasn't Tammy Lucas either, right? Wasn't Tammy Lucas? I don't, damn, I don't know. I'm with like you.

Okay, we don't find out. Yeah, yeah. Come on. Probably the same ball off on the Ate-N-N-A-Rick. I wanted to listen. And she was at a close crib. Yeah, you smoke a ball, man. Look at a grab it over here, drinking brown.

I'm trying to paste my stuff. I know what sounds going to go. No, don't do it. Don't paste yourself. Now, when you come to Miami, do you play Miami records or you say, you know what? I'm a day here for me because I'm from New York. I mean, I think as a DJ who traveled around the country, I think I'm well-rounded, so. Right.

You know what I mean? I think I play a little bit of everything. Right. I was probably the first DJ I was playing South music in New York When I first started playing Cash money, records And everyone was like, yo, who that, man?

Like, yo, why are you playing that? Why are you playing Juvenile High? What is that? I love Juvenile. I was playing Bling and I played Ha! And then I told Jay about it That's how Jay got to read me, I told Jay about it, and he was kind of sleeping on it

Then we was on promo, we went to Atlanta And he heard on the radio and seen it in the club He was like, yo, I need that shmental. I need to get on that. Yeah, nigga, you're late, nigga, yeah. I feel like I was the nigga that put niggas on the honk because I had I went to New Orleans

like for a Spanish party, which was very awkward. And I came back to New York and I was like, huh, man, me, huh. I did it, Angie Martinez, I just kept saying that. And then why he knew what the fuck I was talking about? I didn't know his name. So I couldn't be like, yo, that's the nigga Drew and that. I was just like, that's all I knew.

if the nigger want to be high La la la la I always Nell for my shit I always knew To me I always thought Wayne was going to be You knew Wayne was going to be the suit

Because I had all of them on a record in 1999 I'm on Melbourne Flint out Yeah I had the whole cash money Yeah I had the whole cash money Yeah because I had We was doing FAB album And I had And they asked me which were artists

I wanted to do a record with I said Had an oil cash money I still got the record with him and Wayne. I heard Fab say that I used the record. Yeah, because we never finished the record. Wow. I actually, you know, matter of fact, I actually cut a check for that.

I cut, I mean, I cut, because baby was like, you listen, if you want single rights and video rights, let me know now. So we cut the whole deal, single rights, album rights, and the video. I gave my, I cut the check, but we never did anything. And that record, that record doesn't exist? It's complete. It's in complete. Remair right now.

Use your drop. Cluminati exclusive. Let's be playing on the podcast. It's still on the podcast. And let me be ready to go. We're ready to go. Let's play on the podcast right now. It's still in my crib.

It's on a cassette. We can play cassette. I still got it. But it's never heard. I got a bunch of records like that though. I got like, I got Houten records. I got Nause records. That's crazy.

Records or freestyles? Niggins. Niggins. Real full-fledged records That never been heard What was the reason you never put them out? No one you're only nigga with him You've stayed waiting for us

Yeah, too many of them probably That's why I'm so I'm so respectful with minds You know what I mean Oh okay I got you Or you were a Dr. Dre type Like perfectionist Some of these wasn't right

First of all Let's be clear When Dre was working on his album He was supposed to put out The Detox You know, I heard about four records Fire

He got a record with Lil Wayne and Mick Mill that's so fire He got a record with Mary that's so fire But you probably ain't never going to hit these records But he got him Don't think he ain't got him Because he got him He got him

He got a million joints I heard and I want to say I heard those about Three to four years ago Maybe That's crazy So they exist and he got him Drey put out that detox out Now where y'all feel hip hop is going now

Like at this point At this point To the sewer No no no no No You don't gotta be political here Poo I mean

I mean Like I said With the age of the internet man It's like It's hard man It's a hard thing man I'm trying I'm trying to

I'm trying to actually fill it out And see You know Where it's going but within the last two years it's been a lot of one-hit wonders. You know what happens, though? I think a lot of niggas just never learned.

Like, I don't like all rap that. I'm a fan of all types of shit. But I think a lot of artists that are out now never really learn how to rap. It's like a sport to me. So it's like, if you play basketball, you watch the players before you. You know what AI was doing.

You know what the fuck Jordan was doing before you went to the league. Same thing in boxing. You watch the tapes. You know how did you learn your moves some fucking Tyson and some. But is what you're saying coming from a lyricist's perspective? From a lyricist's perspective and like a fan because...

So what you're saying is our generation drop the ball then? I don't know a way to fault the ball if I drop. I think the wave can catch you and bring you to a point, but can you consistently stay on top of the wave? Right. That's what it is, you know what I mean? Like, you might get a record and it could be the highest record out of the time. whatever, whatever. But can you stay afloak? Can you stay on the way and

ride the wave out? But what is the wave now? Because now there's artists that find their audience online and they've got hundreds of thousands of followers and they do festivals or concerts or whatever shows and nobody even heard of that artist. And they have no sense of the art. It's a different.

What's, quote unquote, the wave is different now. Because of the internet and the way that people get to their, to their fan. And I always I always talk about this all the time to this day, and I say, like, you can't blame the kids of this age for liking the stuff that they like. You know what I mean? Like, because it's what they know.

What we know is what we know and what they know is what they know. They can only know what they've heard. They can't relive our moment. Obviously. Yeah, yeah, for sure. They're living their moment. You know what I mean? So they hear some shit, you know what I mean, that they like, and they're little kids,

and they, like, wait until we're dancing, we're doing this. You can't get mad at that. But at the same time, you know, you probably, being you, from our area, you're not going to respect it the same. You know what I mean? Like, when we came up, if you had an album and you wasn't rapping on there, it stayed on the shelf. Right. You know what I mean? Nowadays, if you hear a record and the shit's hot and you could download it and you can't pay for it and you could dance to in the club, you're cool with it.

but if you bought an album back then and they had only two hot songs on it you felt you got jerked you want to take it back so it's different you know what I mean but you know what I'm saying on top of that because I'm a fan of most a lot of music that's out now

mama rap whatever fuck niggas on the call I still ride through the shit because niggas got dope melodies dope beats and the records in general are dope but no matter what genre a rap you do in my opinion they put a beat on you should know how to fucking spit the verse

and they take the beat off you should know how to to the verse. Period. Did you know the basics of any craft you're doing? If you were fucking work for UPS, know how to grab that fucking package and drop it off without Shattermore what's in that shit. You got to know the basics. That's true. You know what I'm saying? In my opinion, and some

niggas, I think, kind of got over with it and got lucky, I would say, and not even learn the basics of the shit. And it's like the only sport you can do that in, you know what I'm saying? So that's the only part I'll be like, I don't know. It's only a matter of time before you get exposed, though, so it's like, you know, it's like anything else. True. But you can still wait after being exposed

in the sport, because the rules don't matter no There's no, like, respect for the art of it. You could, you could knock out a top box with a lucky punch. Yeah. You know what I mean? It don't mean you're going to be able to get in the ring consistently. Exactly, yeah, that's the fact. That's the fact.

This got real hip-hop right now. I like it. I mean, I think sometimes we honestly underestimate some of the young cats because there's so many of them. And they have their own audience. Like, for example, I'm going to give you an example. For a long time, nobody paid attention to Kendrick. Yes. Because he had it.

He heard about him early, early, yeah, mixtapes, early. And eventually that, what he did, because the quality, it rose, it rose, you know what I'm saying? And people was underestimating the youth following that lyrical movement. And they did, you know what I'm saying? He found his audience, and the audience obviously was bigger than life. Right, right. And there's a lot of artists like that, like a Joey badass, too. In Miami, we got Denzel Curry.

But for example, it's like, you might ask someone next to you, do you know who this is? They do not know who that artist is because the landscape of music is so broad. The internet allows you to have a lane that you have hundreds of thousands of listeners and fans, but the next guy next to you doesn't know who you are. And that's where we're at now. It's like a weird space.

Right. Definitely, definitely. It's crazy. Space is crazy. Listen, man, I think hip-hop I think hip-hop is a vehicle for you to, you know, Get your feed in and do something else. Yeah, I agree with that.

If hip-hop is your only hustle, you're not doing the best thing in life because that's why at the beginning, when they said sometimes the rap game reminds me of the crack game, that was then because it can actually financially equal that. Now, it's not. You do what you want, but if you hustle smart,

you can hustle rap. Right, right. In this game, you've got to be able to hustle. You've got to have multiple hustles. Diversify. You can't put all your eggs in one. I tell people all the time, you can't put your eggs in one basket. Why?

No, you can't. I learned that from watching yon niggas. I mean, I watched Swizz one time at a fucking video shoot. He had, like, at least Keys on the record and Lil Wayne on the record and mad niggas. But then I've seen hella sponsors of the video shoot. There's monster energy drink. It was this, it was that. I was like, oh, this snake of them did the egg.

Let's pick up Monster Energy drink. Yeah, they provide some things today. Oh, yeah, see, there you go. For our energy. You're gonna take checks. Nah, yeah, yeah, come on, come on, come on, come on here. Tell them, come on here. I'm not drunk in this episode.

Who got the cigar? Yeah, you got the redeeming stuff? I got to redeeming yourself. God damn. All right. Who got cigars? Clue broke down that real DJ history. Back there.

Crazy shit. So, so was that considered legal tender when y'all did, like, the mixtapes? You have couldn't claim it Like, yeah, I couldn't claim it on taxes No, like an album Like hell no No, that's like selling drugs Straight up

No way Straight up They treated y'all like that Yeah The dude I told him Mark Furman He's from Miami He had the distribution

Mixed tape distribution Called Hipop Connection He was one of the biggest Mxtape Distributors In the world He got rated by the feds They rated them like he was Al-Qaeda I know

I know a couple people Who got rated He was one there was another dude who was just he wasn't even selling shit he was just downloading videos and songs the feds rated his credit took all his computers his family's computers

it was ugly man and then when I when I seen you know they rated drama and they had the Bentley's on flat beds and I was like damn that's a bad feeling man Believe it out of the mixtapes of some real shit

Is the mic over there for him or no? Yeah come over there nigger got you got the perm and I don't know all that It's poor It's crack drink some of that It's Puerto Rican's going at Puerto Rican's right now And you Panamanian

Clue not all fully Panamanian Right A half and half black That makes you Half Jamaican this nigga is an islander Let's big up Let's big up for him Learned how to wear socks

Nook You know what I mean Let's make that up If you're from Panama And Jamaica you just learn how to wear socks It's just keep it real Right the moment Yo, Oskino, what's going on?

Pete Crack, what's going on? What's up, man? Oh, shit. These things are. Yeah, you're good, Clue, you're good, Clue, you're good, Clue, you know how legendary this nigga is?

We were just, what is going to? Yeah, we were just in the Carolinas. Took it over there, took it over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, moving in the middle. What were you eating that? Some all you could eat. We were just North Carolina, right? Yeah, we were we had some weird shit.

Go to Corral. North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, that's on a humpball. We had to get some of the heat real quick. You know, you know, I used to go to the garage. We did a dope, we did a dope, uh, low club about that, right? It took me in North Carolina. Sorry, Dwight, it was looking at that dope.

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Listen to The Peacemaker podcast on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Yo, listen, man, I just want the people to know that we do this shit for real hip-hop. Every other genre of music, they support their legends, and it's a platform to support their legends. A lot of people ask us a lot of times

while we don't interview the new niggas, and we have nothing but love for the new niggas. I've never said anything bad about it. any one of them. It don't matter, but I want to continue to support my culture, which I know, which EFN knows,

people who put it in work. You know what I'm saying? Some people who made millions, some people who made 10,000, some people who made 100,000 years. We don't care. We want to keep our culture pushing. We don't want to kill our legends over here at drink champs.

That's what we do. And these stories, you know, The story's going. Clue went in. He ain't finished his drink, but he went in. Come on, finish his drink, cool. Come on, come on. Nah, he drink enough.

I've never seen the dick and drink enough. Well, he drank on drinks him. And, Clu, you are basketball nigger. Yeah, actually, we was trying to play ball today, man. Oh, how did you play ball? No, no, no, we're trying to play ball today. Like, I'm serious with your ball game. I stayed at the J.W. Mary at Marquis.

They got a court on the 19th floor, but it was tired up today, man. We couldn't even play today, man. Everybody else don't want to know rosé, right? You got serving a whole bottle, yeah, I'm all right. Come on, man. I'm all right. P. Crack cocaine. My name is.

So y'all was on tour together? Pete Crack, were you ever on a tour with Clu? Nah, I came too late. Clue was way too big for you. It was on. I was on a band-a-team song with everybody else. You were going to rock the mic tour, right? Yeah, I was, yeah.

I called Dead Tell in. Oh, Skeeter, you was on. You went on a tour with a clue? No. Oh, God. He was here. To be honest, I only went on two tours. I went on tour with the Hardin' Life tour, and I went on tour Mariah Carey.

And the second time. Stutting. Stutty. Time on. He tried to say that. Hold on. Like, it was mad. Like, yeah.

I was really trying to focus on my radio shit, so. Well, wait, we still going to make noise. You're going on tour. Come on, come on. Ryan Carrey. That was hard. That's your home girl, too. I remember.

I remember the home in the days. The second tour, I put Suss 1 on. Because I was like, you know, I couldn't, I didn't want to do every date, so I started putting him on with that. And now he's on tour with her full time. He's doing Vegas stuff and all that. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's dope.

I like, I like, I like that's what you're supposed to do, though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Put your people's on. No hate, put your people's on. Oh, man, that was hard. So listen, this is what we're going to do. We're going to go to a story tonight. We don't know when we're going to drop this.

I think we should drop in midweek, like Monday. Next week? No, yeah, this week. Coming up. Wednesday. Yeah, Monday or Wednesday. You know, something like that. Right.

I want to big up all the podcasts out there before a big up all the podcasts. I want to big up our own crew. How is it sound? Who got the biggest podcast out there? Oh, come on. Come on. Yeah. If it's music, in his music and hip-hop.

Listen, that was a segue for you to begin so far. Yeah. That was a segment. I already know. You did it already. You did it already. I was in peeping this last week. Oh, yeah, we did $2.2 million.

Yeah. Last week. In the week. That's for that. Technically, technically, technically, technically we're being like some radio stations because some radio stations only do. I'm not going to lie. A lot of niggas hate, I'm happy for y'all, man. Right, right, right.

I don't have no hate my blood. I'm happy to be out. Thank you, Clucus. Niggas don't want to do it. Niggas don't want to win, man. I'm happy to be out. But, you know, we're having fun, and all we doing is celebrating hip-hop.

So everybody should be a part of this, every station, every people, because you all got history. And, you know, and big up to the people who will be hitting us saying, you know, I want to do it when I got something going on.

It ain't about that. It's about sit down and talk about your history. No press runs. Just come. And then, Maybe whatever you're doing You got going on Maybe you'll help it

You know what I'm saying Like we don't know Like so next Coming up You know GZ we dropping our episode With Gizi On Gizi's day I don't care

It's okay We letting GZ episode out on Gigi's day Because I had to think Like a promotional guy I had the thing like a artist I'm like if I have If we have this platform And it supposedly

As big as it is why wouldn't we help the artists? That's what we're here for it. That's what we're here for. So Gizi, we're supporting you fully. He ain't asked me, no death jamming, call us. There's no peyola. Like, this is, you know what I'm saying?

I'm just keeping it in a honey. Gizi came in, he kept it really drink Arbyon. He sweated like sunny D.B.E.T. And had fun with us. Yeah, he had fun with us. Shout to Gigi, yel last night. Him and Davies, they came through the Aces and turned down me now. Oh, in New York.

Yeah. Good dude, man. That was a good show. The fan blew about 30,000 a singles last night. I should have, when you should have asked him for $100. You got to drink chance guys come through the Aces, man. Let's go. We need got Aisys from there.

Let's do it. You running? You're running the Aces? They got Ais of Spade in there. Whatever you need. Look, you can tell he's running it. Whatever you need you? All right. You'll make sure you're good.

Don't worry about it. So, yo, before we get up out here, I just want all of y'all to shout out your shit. Just tell y' y'all what y'all got going on. You know what I'm saying? And I want to say, thank you. because, like I said, again, over here and drink champs, it ain't about no drama, ain't about no beef.

It's about big enough our people because if we ain't going to big up our people, who the fuck will be bigger up our people? I want to give you your flowers, why you can smell them, and I'm going to smoke trees with you when you can inhale them. You feel?

Yeah. I'm a real dude. I've done it. I've had fun. So, Clue, tell them what's next. We know the app, and we're bidding up that. Drink champs. We feel like we're going to make this.

More than an app. It's more than an app. It's like CIA shit. He ain't telling the shit. You got a facility. I'm not going to lie. The app is the Clue radio app. You're going to be able to download it.

Probably about 30 to 45 days. You know what I mean? It's going to be late. Of course, follow me on Twitter, Instagram, at DJ Clue. And on Snapchat, it's the DJ Clue show. And you catch me on Power 151 in New York. That's right. Monday to Friday, 6 to 10 p.m.

The number one show in the city. You know what I mean? number one city in the world. In the world. It is what it is. You know, it's crazy, so I got to say something to Clue's testament. Like, he really do break records. You know, Clue broke, Bring the Goons out.

That's the only record I ever had at radio, and he broke that shit. He went ham, the city went crazy for this shit. I got it. I always salute you when I see you, because nobody ever broke a graph record on a fucking radio. He took a chance. He took a chance. Let's make some noise for that, got me out of the street for a long time. Thank you, my God.

I can't tell you how many records I've seen Clue Break Too many. Yeah, that's real shit. From the beginning. That's real. Some of DJs don't, so, you know, I just got to shout that out.

Let me shout out all my shit. Fuck that, because I be, I ain't the best promotional name. Go ahead. Go ahead. I got my put-out, pain killers be loaded. A couple months ago, it was dope. Real hip-hop shit.

I know I come from the era where I want to hear real rap, but I take the old school and mix it's a new school and get y'all the future. So when y'all hear it, I see, I got my big homie Bunby on there. And I got a joint produced by Pete, Pete Rock with a voice of 5-9 on it.

I got the locks on the whole project. I got Jada Kiss, Sheik, and Stiles, P, on different records. But then I got my nigg-a-Kalifa on there. And I put Jada on the song with Wiz, you know what I'm saying? So I'd just be doing some, you know, I'd be shuffing. What did you supposed to sign to telegame at one point? We was kicking it about that a little bit, you know what I'm saying? But we're just good friends, man.

And shout out to Wiz Khalifa. Shout out to the whole telegang and shit. I mean, so I just wanted to say that, man, support independent hip-hop, support independent hip-hop, celebrate that shit. Don't complain about what's out If you ain't supporting what the fuck you like So go online and please stream the shit Buy it even though streams rip us up a little bit

I thank you very very much Because I still made money off the music Go however you get it Just buy it motherfuckers on my album I appreciate it yeah That's right He's so love I appreciate y'all support

Just buy the shit No I'm saying Don't get the booleg Help me help let me help you help me They still make boolegs Oh yeah they've been boolegger They're music free all kinds Yeah they get crazy bulllegs

Normally I'll say it Bool-Lay, but now. H-N-A-N-E-A-N-E-T-N-E-T-N-E-N-A-N-N-A-N-N-A-N-N-A-N-W-N-W-N-A-N-W-N-N-A. that. My Instagram is Grav G-R-A-F-H. Snapchat is Lord of Mercy. You know, like Lord Have Mercy. I'm Jamaican, so we fuck shit up. Lord of Mercy on Snapchat. Fuck

with a nigger. And like you said before, you know, I used my platform to do other things. So I got a clover line called Doke Gang, NYC. This is one of my... Never seen me no clothes. I'm going to throw that out. It's sold out on tour. I went on tour. I went on tour. I went on tour with Royce of Five-9. I was my first tour.

And everything sold out on the road. I swear to God, everything. I came back with just the empty boxes and shit. Dang Dash never told me that. Yeah, Dave. I'm going to just throw that out there. 8 and I never told me that. 8 and I never told me that.

We're a small guy. We're starting now. We're still learning this shit, man. Get your shit together. Get your life right now. I just got it there with the factory in China. Brand new. We still learning the ropes.

Get your China connect up. We just started. We just started. And look off a drink chance radio on crew radio. Oh, who you heard that. separate program, separate programs. Oskino, what's going on? You're pulling in here with Ferraris,

Lamborghinis, Lamborghinis, what's up, Oskino? You got me lit, man. You're not looking brand new. Now, talk to the mic. Appetiser 5. Yeah, appetizer 5. Appetzer 5.

Yeah, Appetzer 6. 7. From out next week, Dave East on my single. We shoot a video. We shoot a video. 3-6-5 South, you know. Little Trizy, you know, he's in the building. No, we got the North Carolina,

the Connecticut Connected. Oh, shit, you already know. That nigga did you already know. That nigga didn't even say North Carolina. And I said Nerf Carolina. That was awful. You know, I like that. I like that.

I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fucking with Nerf Carolina from now old. Yeah, that was all. Boy came up to me today. I mean, you know, I'm in the Rario, the Ocean Drive. He's from the NBA. You know, I don't really watch the games like that.

He's like, yo, he's like, yo, dog, I'm fucking on the podcast. You're popping. I don't even knowing him. You didn't know. All you guys said, oh, thanks, man, you know. I said, I'm lit right now. I got to enjoy this, you know. I got to enjoy this.

Let's make some noise with the dick being crazy. Oh, skid on my nigga, man, everybody. Don't forget crack, don't forget crack. No, I was coming, bro. Oh, man. Hold on. Yay, you're about to death. No, no, no, I had a whole, a little separate thing for you.

Because remember, I kept telling you, you tried to put a ticket up your hat. Now you want to come over here looking like, looking like Tony Montano with a dose of a get bought a jumpsuit. You know what I'm saying? You didn't people like me. Yeah. Yeah.

Shout out Danny Garcia, too. This is his shit, right? That's his shit. See, he from Philly. He's from North Philly. That's my man. Danny Garcy. Turn the mic.

Turn the mic a little bit. Shut out Danny Garcia with the Duke lineup. You know what I'm saying? I love this little Belorafly shit. Right. But shout out you, Nory, man. See, I'm happy for you, you know what I'm saying? I'm really, really genuinely happy for you.

Because I know, like... We did 2.2 this way. But I'm mainly happy to say that to you. I'm really... But, no, look. The only people that's not happy for you is people that's not really associated and close with you.

See, I'm happy because I'm your friend and I know that I'm gonna be cool too. When you get cool. When you're super rich and shit, I know I got somebody to go to. But now, yeah, man, Oskino pretty much talks, does all the talking.

I just say, I just be cool. What we're doing? Shout out. Hold on. Shout out Johnny, Jay. 3,66, 5, South, man. It's about to be really, really big, man. Just watch this, man.

Just watch us, man. The P.D. Crack, ring, ring. I love y'all niggas, man. Yeah, I got it. Well, I'm a... Thank you, P. Crack. Thank you, Graf. Thank you, Clue. Thank you, Oskino.

And listen, this is what we're going to do. We want to shout out to our whole drink champs army. You know what I'm saying? Everybody. Oh, damn. Shout the left rack. Shout to left rack. What I forgot?

Were you from again? Jamaica. I shout the whole Jamaica, man. Yeah. I think from everywhere in Jamaica. Shout out to his hood. Shout to, shout to Murat, Ab, shout to Hempstead,

shout to Springfield. All the Blacks. Shout to the ACP and all that. You know what we do. Shout to Kendall. Shout to Kendall. Yo, where you from? Shout out.

Miramar. Shout to Miramar. Shout to Miramar. Shout out to Debtin, Section 1, Section 2, section 3, 6, 5, 57, and a half, 99. Iraq. Iraq, always.

But look, I want to shout out to the drink champs on me. I want to shout out to Hazettist. I want to shout out to Sunny D. I want to shout out to Iraq. Big Drain. Twin, Big Drain. I want a shout out to Carlito. I want to shout out to Mr. Lee.

And, you know what I'm saying? My nigga Prez. Aiden, not. Clio. We have a rest of the piece. Little E. The rest of the piece, E money bags. My nigga Paul.

My nigga. Eric. Jose. You know what I'm saying? Rich Blanco. Kev. Kev, where you at? What up, Kev.

Dee the Barber. And New York styles. Carlito, my cousin. He's, we got to get him back. on American. Boris, what up? Boris. On American grounds.

Pick up to Boris, Mr. Lee, Star Rock clothing. Everybody, you know what I mean? Got my niggas here from Peru. Yeah, the Peru niggas is coked up. He's from the movie from coming home Peru. The two niggas. My homie from coming home Peru is here. Yeah, the dumb niggas.

He's not dumb. He's not done. Gokaina. Mas a lot. Mas model. Yeah. It's okay. They're going to kick somebody couch.

at some point but yo so we're gonna go to Club Story hopefully we're gonna see the drink chance you're ready

the drink chance this is true I'm gonna do another bottle of Roseette but yeah you ain't finished your drink but you said

you said you oh okay get another one there you said you could do it all night though cool yeah how

because you pause because you would go from Vegas like I'm in a couple of times so you know I'm always drinking

so It ain't about nothing But Safer Sound's in the club all the time He never drinks What do you say to that? Listen He got to get focused He got to get focused

He got to get focused Yeah, it's all good Niggas got to start drinking Niggas that don't drink Gotta No, I don't say that Yeah, I'm saying that If you are alcoholic

If you're alcohol We're alcoholists We don't know If you're alcoholics If you're recovering alcoholic Then it's like All right cool But then you put on Joe Byters too

Because Joe Biden's Listen he just said I talked about He got a podcast. Joe had a podcast. Joe was my man. And the only reason why I talked about on a podcast is him and Envy had beef. So why Envy was here.

You know what? Andy called me when they had the little... What happened? Joe, I just was bringing it up because you hot in the podcast world and you and envy had beef. It was like-skinned shit. It was going back and fall. Yeah, yeah.

There ain't going to be nothing. Because you put, Joe, that was the whole crew when you put on FAP, right? I signed, I gave the MV album deal. Oh. And I had my deal at Epic Sony. So you put Envy on. And then Joe at Def Jam, you know. Put Joe buttons on.

Go ahead. And fabulous. I'm not really about pause too, my horn, but, you know. Put a lot of niggas on. That's real. Let's make some noise for DJ Crew. That's right. Let's make some noise for people.

Makes a noise for beauty crack having a perm. You didn't want to give us the perm story here, so you gave it to BET. You know, on a low, like, if you think about it in the media sense. I knew I knew you had a perm Like listen Talk that shit crack I know you had a purse

You were talking shit I wanted to show it on drink You ain't do it for us You didn't do it for us You did You ran to BET You said all that shit Yeah but what you called

But what you called But what you called a property Nah but what you called A property's over And then you went to state property When you didn't be a T And then you showed them to hair I was like that

Everybody told me to warm me about you. That you can be Tino Cole that nigga at all. They're like, yo, they're a wash story, though.

I'm like, y'all he's cool. No Philly, no feeling got through a wash, though. What are you to watch him, man?

I'm like, a lot. Now, we fucking Philly here, man. I ain't gonna lie. It ain't a fucking philly here a drink chance,

man. Nah. If you go back to the episode, I kept saying, take up your head because I knew was something going on.

Was I there at the table? Was I, it was a breaking story here. My shit wasn't no breaking story. This is the breaking story right now. You just got a big, crazy, curly fro. At the time.

Oh, at that time. It wasn't right. My shit put some heat on my shit. But there ain't no chemicals, though. You had that niggas think it's a perm. Yeah, I think it's a firm. Yeah, I think it's a bummed-out-ass, nigga. I ain't trying to hear that.

See, but that's your black side. I mean, that's your Puerto Rican side taint. It's not a perm. Black people call that a perm. Just because you get it. Just because you get it number one. If you put it stitches on there, you. Just because you get the number one to the grain.

I get that number one. To the grain. But my sick grow, though. I ain't bald. I never saw you in the way. Do not the people think that I'm bald? No, nobody thinks that. Nobody thinks that.

All right, because I've grown my shit out just to be petty. No, I drink that shit out. No, you're prepping. You prepping for the ball. Nah, nah, no, no, no, my grandfather, he died with a full head of hair. Both of my grandfather's died with a full head of hair. great. I'm thinking of my genetics is all right.

Get that perm shit out of it. But listen. You play it like that. Just keep it real. He don't grab keep it real. Keep it real. Because he made a North Philly. That's a lot of Spanish niggas. What do y'all call it again? Bellet.

No, it was the other big rule. It's a lot of Spanish. Tell them that's a perm and black community. There's no fucking perm, perm, that's a sperm. This is called condition and some heat.

That's the bill. All the fuck out of it. Conditioned answer me I'm not just to say you're bald I'm bald So I'm gonna prove myself Yo bring the hair back No I'm bored nigga

Let's check Let's take a hat on Clue Let's see Let's see Oh oh oh Oh I have no idea I had no idea

I have no idea No idea No but I do see Norie got a little bit of George Jefferson coming in I respect that crack A lightweight jurors coming in.

But I can prove you wrong. You know, Puerto Rican. My shit grew back in two days. Yo, Deoni, just cut hair. Puerto Rican chips. Just lick. I'm gonna just, I'm gonna run it. I have dressed by Friday.

I'm just throwing it out. And my father, my father used to, let me tell you. My father used to drink. And when he ain't drink, his hair wouldn't grow. But when he drank, his hair will grow the next day. He would shave itself. And the next day, I said, I got that. same thing. That's true.

You know what I'm saying? He'll go to you the next day? No, yeah, yeah, basically. Here, his shit just grow right back. This is real fuck. And you Panamanian and Jamaican. Absolutely. How many kids do you got? Mad bitches want your kids.

If you panamaian and Jamaican. My man Don DeMarco, he's down with the leaving-in gang. That's not me. Right. So Clue not married, you ain't none of that. Wait, wait, wait. Come here. You get out of here.

Your girl going to sit on you. right? Right, so come over here. You know, do grappy ass? She got to be phenomenal, man. The pussy's getting, if she's bad enough, the pussy's getting handled. Hold on, Oskino, or the angry crackling.

They knew the ass question is coming. Oskino and elevator, the elevator ride down. No, sure. Yeah, cluey ass? Listen, if the shit right? She got to be phenomenal. I got to be looking at that bitch. Like, oh, my God.

You know, Graf his own point with it. I'm not right. She got to be like that. If it ain't like that, then it's like, you know, you're doing what you're doing. It's like Uber. Petit Crack is interrogating, ass with his son. You're about to start fighting. You're scared of the assing ingressure?

But look, and once again, man. You got a song part eat pussy, don't mean? Yeah. I eat asshole. It's a big difference. This got to be really, really bad, though, for your brain to even, for your brain to even go there. You got to be thinking about doing all kind of shit till before the clothes even come off.

You know what I'm saying? It's shit like that. Well, look out for the new interview. We got Puff and Cassie on here. That was crazy. That one is out of complete. That was his story. When is the new N-O-R-A music coming out?

I got an AP. I got an EP. It's done. It's dope. Me and Justice League. I've never done a album. We're going to debut on Clue Radio? What are we doing?

Oh, yeah, yeah. A lot of things going on in Clue Radio. Let's listen here. Soon. Soon. Soon. Yeah, soon. We're going to do it, man.

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