Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ DJ Premier & Pete Rock | (Ep.68)

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary DJ Premier & Pete Rock!The two production giants, sit down with N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN for a legendary, sample-heavy celebration of real hip hop. This isn’t just an interview — it’s a masterclass.Preemo and Pete break down their early beginnings, from digging in the crates to crafting timeless records for icons like The Notorious B.I.G., Nas, Jay-Z, and Gang Starr. They talk about the art of chopping samples, the science of drums, and how the SP-1200 and MPC shaped an era. Stories fly about studio sessions, industry politics, and the competitive energy that pushed 90s hip hop to its golden age.Of course, it wouldn’t be Drink Champs without the drinks flowing and debates heating up. The conversation dives into who had the harder beats, East Coast dominance, and the respect that keeps the culture alive decades later.This episode is pure boom-bap royalty — two architects of the sound reflecting on their legacy while reminding the world why their influence still knocks today.Make some noise for DJ Premier & Pete Rock!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on March 9th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Hank's at Greer. I hope it's sobby. This is your boy, N-O-R-E. What up is DJEFN. And this is Drink Chats on a fucking podcast. Make some of it. I'm going to present to you guys on behalf of CBS. Oh, wow.

I'm just a messenger, but they want to congratulate you on 25 million lists. Wow. Wow. Oh, damn. For real. And you didn't tell me, you found fucking guy. Hey, man, you know, 25 million. That's beautiful.

We're doing the hip-hop. So I would like to introduce. if you into hip hop if this is something that you say you love and this is something that say you adapted and you don't know these two brothers

and you don't know how these brothers shaped and molded the culture for everything that you love right now if it wasn't for these two people that are standing beside me in front of me rather what hip hop is is because of them

they single-handedly had their hands on the best artist ever when you think about Illmatic

you think about reasonable doubt you think about Biggie they work with the three top of best they continuously out here looking young

they're out here and then the beat battle had just took place and a lot of people with Swiss beats Bigging him up and Bigg up and Just Blaze

but a lot of people don't know that these brothers been doing this for years. For years, they started it. And I am so proud to introduce and to represent people that I look up to personally.

Pete Rock and motherfucker DJ for me. You're listening, brothers. I'm going to be honest. The fact that both of you brothers had worked on my favorite hip-hop album of all times, which is Elmatic.

Now, I just want to take it from there, because was it because we had Q-Tip on here and I believe Q-Tip I think he said he suggested that he worked with them or so how did Oh yeah, yeah, yeah so was it large?

Large professor. Yeah, large professors. He, oh wow. He's the actual chief and commander. He's some weed. He's actual, the chief and commander of Elmatic. Get the fuck out. So you telling me you never heard of Nyes.

Both of you brothers never heard of them. And the thing is back, you know, Queens artists, including yourselves. Yes. One, y'all rap longer than any other person with no hooks and no break. You know, Law & & & & & &, you know, Law & Professor is so New York, like, he'd be like, like, yo, like, yo, like, word, like, yo. He'd do that for like 10 minutes before he'd say his sentence.

And he was like, yo, you, Preme, I got this dude named the rapper Nause. Right. He didn't say nasty. It wasn't nasty. Wait, and we're talking about the rapper Nass. Oh, all, all, Prie. He was saying in his lyrics on, on, on, um. So he wasn't even nasty.

Rapper Nause. He does it on, he does it on hanging out. Yeah, hanging out. He's just like the rap of Nause. Yeah, he says that. Wow. Yeah. And, you know, so even a rapper big noise, I figured that's just a thing.

You're rapping noise. Yeah, that's a queen's thing. Right. That's a queen's thing. And we got, we got Pete Rock. I mean, we got Premier drinking Jim Bean out of this motherfucker. Yeah, I want to take a shot. You got shot.

Can someone open one for me, please? Yeah, no, you go open it, baby. This is your shit. What is your shit. Thank you, sir. Just so y'all know, just so y'all know, y'all personally raised me. You probably didn't know that. But it was so an honor to work with both of you brothers.

You brothers are hip-hop. When I think of hip-hop, your name, I know both of your names start with a P, but it feels like your name should be A. You know what the first time I met you? D&D. Let's go to D&D studio. At the front door, you know what he's in? Hey, yo, for me, what's up, man.

Yo, my name is Jose Luis. I'm like, And the thing is, the L.A. LA, L.A. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah. I'm doing you guys. You want a shot, too? Yeah, I do.

Oh, you're okay. We got them drinking. Come, I'm 50 years old, man. Here you guys. I know, I know. I got experience. Are you going to do one whiskey or you're going to do siob? Yeah, I'll do sor.

Oh, you can do sor. Oh, you can. One shot. One shot ain't going to kill nobody. Yeah, yeah. Give them that shot. And then you pour another one. Yeah.

But the crazy thing is when I heard L.A. Right. For you, open up blanche and Jose Luis Gossus. That's how we do. A-da. A-da. A-da. Let's make some noise for Pete Rock and Premier.

God-Gamette. I used to hang in Queens with flush. Wow. I heard you play an unreleased. Was that an unreleased? On Maine. The casino. Was that an unreleased flush versus you just played?

That was worldwide remix I never put out. And that beat, that beat. That beat. We got to do that beat for your album. I owe you a record for your album. I got to do that beat for your album. I got to do that beat for your album. I owe you.

I also big you off of plugging me in the Supreme. A lot of people don't know that Pete Rock was the person that plugged me in with Supreme. Let's make some noise. You don't smoke, right? Yeah, I do, but you're not on camera. You just not on camera. I did mine, you know, in 92. But the herbs still flow.

Now, let's take it from the beginning. It's still flow, Premier. How did you and guru even meet? I met guru because it goes back to 1987 into 88, My good friend, who's still my man, Carlos Garza in Houston, Texas, helped me get a job of the records. Because you're from Texas. And he's from Boston.

Boston. So Wild Pitch Records is a husband and wife label. Shout to Stufine and A. Was that Serge? No, no. Surge was later. Yeah, it was just Stupon and his wife. No one else.

They didn't have a rap promotion. Guru was a person that would go over to their house every day and listen to every demo that came in. They had Lottie already signed who was, Apache, rest of peace, that's Apache's brother. Wow. And Lottie did a lot of writing, you know, with Latifah and the Flavor Unit. And he had a record called this Cutscott Flavor, which was big in New York at the time.

That and putting on the hits. That's how 45 King came into doing the Wild Pitch work. And then Chil Rob G came along, who's also part of Lattie's crew in the Flavor Unit, and he got signed a wild pitch. Gangstar got signed after that in 1986. And so they had a record called a lesson. I wasn't in the group then. Gangstar goes through three different chambers. the first chamber was Big Shug

and Guru named Gangstar. Wow. It was Big Shug and Guru when Guru was going to school at Moore House. Right. So they... And they're both from Boston, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And it was Shug's brother, Swab D. They were the first gang star. Then Swab D stepped out and it became two MCs. Damo D. D.S.ke, but Guru wrote all the rhymes. And it was Guru, and then DJ Mike D.

But he was called DJ Wanna Be Down. Wow. But it's DJ One, the number two. We got to bring that. letter B and down. He didn't want to be down. It was one, the number two, the letter B, and then down.

One would be down. So he has a brother name gangstar T. Oh. You know what I'm saying? The shit is deep. Yeah, yeah. So all of that trickled down

into the name of Shug and Guru originated gangsts. Big Shoeu. Shot to Shug, yeah, yeah, everything. He's doing the things in movies now. He's going to fly-mas. Yes, I saw that's right.

Yeah, working with Larry David, all that stuff. So from there, when Guru moved to New York, the rest of the members, sure got locked up for a while so now it's just grew on his own but any time work wasn't involved

with any money no one would come up to New York to help him do any movement around, hopping around to get in the clubs get on radio because they weren't really getting radio played until they dropped their second single called Buster Mool Boy, which is when I heard him, I was in New York at the time for the summer and Red Alert was cutting it up and Molly Marr was cutting it up and if they're playing it

I thought they were called GameStop because of his Boston accent, he's his gangstine. I played I played no Knowledge That's positive That's when I came Yeah but this is right

This right before I don't even The control was just about To stop bubbling But before magic left And Chili Q used to be up there And Kevin Kev So

Yeah and you too Of course When I met with Groo I met you at the red snorke On the mic Yeah yeah You had the red snorke on He was like

Oh I fucked up I fucked up And he's like No Keep it going. He'll keep going. He'll keep going. So from that point, those three artists were the label,

Shirabji, Lattee, and Gangstar. And 45 King was the only producer that worked after that, after Donald D produced the first single. Wow. So from there, Guru used to go through a box of the demo every time mail came in, because back then it was about mailing your stuff or walking it in.

Carlo snucked my demo over to Stu. Just beats your beat. No, I was in a group called emcees, control in Texas. And my emcee was from Boston. His name was Topski. It was Topski. It was Toski.

We're, uh, we're, uh, we're, uh, we're, where, uh, we're, we're, uh, we're, sugar pop. And with the guru said, and stuff, get him out of there? No, no, no. They heard my demo, but they didn't like my emcee, they're like me.

And they were like, we really want you, but I was like, I'm basically saying they're like the beats. Right. Okay. And my scratching. They were bugging off my scratches. Scratch was huge back. So I didn't really want to leave my group,

so I said I can't do it. I got to stay doing what I do. Time passed. My emce, pretty much got frustrated after going to shop and other deals. We couldn't get a deal, so he said, I'm joining the military. I thought he was just bluffing. One day we were at the house, shout to Gordon Franklin, the whole Franklin family, Gary, Arden, rest of peace, and Maryland Franklin.

We were staying at their house. I thought we were going to college together. That's how I met them. And next thing you know, the bell rings on a weekend, and the recruiting officers at the door. Yeah, man. He's out. He's looking for Theo Campbell? I'm like, for what?

He said he joined the Navy. And I thought he was lying. I'm like, yo, Tom, I got together on the basement because we all live together. And he's like, yo, I'm out. He has his backpacked already. I'm like, how long did you join? He said, for four years.

He said, MC. Yeah. Okay. He said, four years. And Guru already knew they met Top everything. I'm like, four years. So I'm not going to wait for you no four years. He said, yo, I'm out.

Do your thing. And that's when I called back to Wild Pitch. Say, yo, my man left. So now I'm available. To not be in the group because that's my front man. and the gurus I got I want you in the group so that's how I joined Gangstar and then from there

gurus found my tape and Lord Finesse's tape that's how Lord Finesse got signed to Wild Pitch and that's how I end up that's the first artist I ever produced was Lord Finesce besides Gangstar let's make some noise for that

yeah that's right I did not think it was layers like that okay so now Pete how did you meet C.R. Y'all went to school together we went to school together high school met through some street guys And, you know, when I heard, you know, there was time me he could rap or whatever.

And when I heard his voice in high school, we... Because you was always a producer? He was a producer. Yeah, yeah. Well, in the hood, I started doing my high school parties, DJ. You know, I became a DJ in my apartment that motherfuckers, you know, flocked to. So I met CL. He had a distinctive voice.

We did, like, 50, 60 demos in my basement on a four-track. You know what I mean? Four-track. Like, and got signed off that shit. You know what I mean? They're like, we was taking, like, dance to the drummer's beat and making songs, you know, taking the break beats that my man, Lenny from the Bronx was put street beat, and I would make beats out of them shit. Just normal shit and then make records out of it. It's like, the Bronx being the place of hip-hop.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So you had to have hip-hop just as a music.

I'm originally from the Bronx. Oh. Wow. Oh, wow. You know, when I was young, I went to Bronx River and Park not knowing what was going going to you know what I'm saying? All I know is I've seen a bunch of cool dudes smoking, drinking, and listening to hip-hop. This shit had me.

And then when I turned seven years old, I met James Brown. What? At seven? Wow, that's going to change your life. My cousin, of course, family. RIP, RIP. Rest and peace, bro. And, you know, he took me under his wing.

And that's how I learned everything. That's how I met everybody before I became who I was. I was Teddy Riley. I was in the studio, Howie Tee. Now, let's take it to reminisce over you. Which is such an iconic song for him. Such an iconic song. But now that is about an actual person, correct?

Yeah, my man. Can we break that down? That's Troy, right? He was on tour, heavy dina boards. All right. Him and Kid and Play's Roadman. It's just playing around. You know, we used to always be onto a plane, you know what I mean?

And they were playing with empty garbage cans and throwing them trying to hit each other. Oh, no. I never heard. You know, missed the steps. When he was at the edge of the stage. Oh, damn. I didn't know it was 20 feet, though, you know what I was. And Hap called me and started crying and, you know, the whole,

you're all fucked up, you know. And I don't even, today, to this day, I don't even know how I was able to listen to a record and make a beat because I was so distraught that my band and the whole hood was he was infamous in the hood But you know how legendary that record is I mean that music So I did it do him

You know Wow And when I found a sample You know I was with extra P when we was in Queens Wow We were digging and I found a record You know

And we took it home Fucked with it You know And next thing you know I put you know After the beat was made And everything like that We got in the studio

CL came with the lyrics Wow And he did, but he didn't have the beat. Like, he already had the rhymes, but he needed the beat to match the rhymes. Wow. And that's very, like, that's not easy to do. Yeah, that's magical for that to match up. That's magical. So it melted right in.

And I was just like, God, man. Classic. He didn't talk about his mind. Did you know that was going to be as classic as it is when you made it? When we, I had Charlie Brown from Leicidson, and I just let it out. Like, I ain't even care if he. You know, who was around? Right.

Because I was thinking about Troy. And he started crying. And then the engineer started crying. Wow. And I said, I think we got something. And I think this is Dave, you know. Yeah. The only thing I don't like about that record.

Is that I wish I made. Let's make some noise. There's a lot of shit you made. So now, I got to take it to one of my favorite gang. I'm a record. I agree. I'm one of them. One of my best.

No, I'm one of them. I'm going on night I'm going on there I'm going on there So mass appeal What drugs was you smoking When you paid that That's the rule of error man

Yeah you Crazy because I mean Everybody has the errors of getting lifted I mean now the pills are the young kids now Yeah they're crazy It's not my thing but I mean We all have ways of escaping And music and drugs and drinking

And sex and all that sports It has always been and a twine, but it's all about how strong your mind is or how weak your mind is. I've always kept his strong mind to know how to turn the switch off and get back to me. Like manage it properly. I'm glad I made it. Yeah, yeah. You were high.

You're a high. You know, we've had a year. All right. When I heard that, I was saying, what's the good old day is. Just a mean head nod to that joint. It was a good old day. Was that 93 into 94.

The album came out 94. The song came out 93. But, I mean, those were the good old days. of just, you know, you were torched before you go in the lab and start cooking something up. And even with or without, I mean, my approach is still the same. So thank goodness that it is

because I'm still active, even if 50 years old, the work is still coming. We're still active. We're still addicted to making beats and performing and DJ. And we're like, we're addicted. And battling. Yeah, in battling. Yeah, but Madison Hill was a, we was actually

making it as a goof to radio because we wasn't getting regular rotation on radio as a hip-hop. group, but like Guru always said, we got platinum respect. So we're like, damn, all the platinum artists are loving us, but we can't sell some on records, but everybody that's

platinum and selling millions love gangsters. So we were like, let's make a radio, making fun of radio. And I said, I want to make something that sounds like you're in an elevator going to you and ding, ding, ding, ding, so that was my mind state when I wanted to make the records, you know, you know, you're in elevators over here.

You're crazy. I'm thinking about your logic, too. You found the record. Like the closest to what we already had. Oh, my God. Just like Gene Brown. Closest to what, that's what it is. There's a lot of times I pre-hear the song

and I'm looking for the stuff that matches what I'm looking for. That's why the drums usually come first, but you know, because it's like, you know, going what-nots on this one. I'm going to be on this one. We're going to sub on this one. You know, we can already know where we're going to go. Look at that producer talk.

You got to hear me. I love producer talk. You got to go. In the early days of my gangstark career. There's three people that really taught me how to get to the level, actually four of the level that we're I just saying, now I'll take anybody on. I'll battle anyway. He taught me how to filter showbiz, DITC, who's showbiz and AG taught me how to chop beats. I learned our chop beats from showbiz. And then a large professor just showed me crazy tricks that he just come to my house and that show with us because we met him first.

And we used to go to Ms. McKenzie's house, who's the DJ's, uh, the DJ's, uh, my mom. mom stir cutting k scratch i mean k cutting sir scratch so we used to go to the house so i was around large and pete a lot and they were way more advanced on the beat program from from me we all went into the records and sampling but my skill didn't really get to a point until around 92 you know what saying when i started working on boom bat with krs because boom bat original rap you're not that not that song but the majority of from the out of out of down out of here i did out of here Mortal Thought. Yeah, out of here,

mortal thought. Carras won attacks. And you did Christian in my lawn, too. You were like that. You killed that album. You killed that. Yeah, man. Asapel was just a laugh at radio for not playing us,

and then it turned out to be how big as it. That's, that, you know, that's, that's not. And then you know what else I got to go straight into it. I'm so sorry. Stick up kids. Oh, that was a true story. just to get a rep we just got our deal

we were living in the Bronx on 1 8 3rd Street I moved out of east of New York I moved to 1 8 3rd yeah we moved to the Bronx 1 8 3rd that's how met that's how I met

pick up Ching Bing yeah that's that's how I met Penn you from the NYG's that's how I met Smiley together town nutcracker nutcracker

and that's how we all met I lived on 183 in Andrews and they all live down the hill on Andrews he was in the hood yeah he was in the hood You got to be in the middle.

So what happened was we got our first check. I was moving into, and with Bramford Marcellus. He was about to be the music director for the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. So he and his wife and his son were still living there before they moved to LA. They were kind of back and forth.

So at the time, before he officially moved, we all moved in together. So now he's Bramford, his wife, his son, me and guru, all living together on 370. for Washington and Brooklyn, so we moved back to Brooklyn. We both bought our first brand new cars. I had a whip already, but I bought the MPV. That was the car that they had a time, for sure.

But it was very famous. Of course. It was very famous. It was a big thing. It's a jack-boy car, too. Because it was the sound system everybody knew me for it. So when that happened, Guru bought a forerunner. These were in the forerunners.

New style, body style. Uh, Guru got into a problem with some dudes in Brooklyn, and, uh, he, they tried to stick them. Yeah, and they, and they took the car. They took this car. Time passed. We went looking for cats, looking for cats, couldn't find the car. One day, uh, we just, before GPS. Yeah.

Okay. One day we're moving around, we see the car start chasing after the guy. Going after him, he's a high-speed chase. Cops see us start chasing two going after him. He's like, that's our car, that's our car, because they, they wanted to pull us over. They go after him. The car that he keeps on driving. The driver hits an ice cream truck and dies.

Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. And it's crazy because Guru had a picture of the day he got the car, and he's in front of it going. Like, yeah, I got my car. He'd go to the precinct where they brought the car and was all smushed in and everything from the crash and it was all smushed up. And Gruz, I got to take a picture by and he's standing by going.

That's the first picture. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, God. Before I G. He said, I'm writing a song about this. And we wrote the song, and see, the album only has two verses. When we came out with the video with Fab Five Freddy and did the, he said, we need a closing. And Lacey's who was on that. That's me squacks and now.

I mean, their voice on Fungy for you. They were on Dwight. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's like. DuWitt. So Fat Five Freddy said, we need a closing way of the video. And being that the guy did die in the end, he said, we got to do a third verse. So we wrote the third verse.

And that's why the 12 inch has a different. type of a bounce and it's been re-recorded. That's three bars. Yeah, it was 19-90. So, yeah, isn't that crazy that we actually found a dude took off after him, cops go after us, and once we say, you know, we're trying to get our call back, and the dude's running and crash to an ice cream truck. This is why you got to love gangstiles.

This is why you got to love it. True story. You got to now Pete Rock. The world is yours. I was a hater. now. Now, that made an outstanding still, though, when you're in the beat. Shit. Hold on. Hold on for a second, because

I want to say, arguably, might be my favorite record on El Madigan. Elbax's my favorite album of all time. Wow. And mine, too. Not because I'm on it either. It would have been my favorite. I ain't on it at all. I'm glad. I was at that session. So, I just want you to describe. Oh, you was there?

He was there. Just to watch. He was there. All right, so now you meet this kid that Lars Professor, correct? Yes. Brings you to them. And then they say they want you to work on it.

They came up to Mount Vernon. Okay. And there's a story where I had and I was waiting. I didn't even realize I don't even remember. He said that I was in the car talking to a girl. Right. And he was behind me, but, you know,

he was behind me to get out. You look, I'm here. You know what I mean? But he waited. He just stood in the car. Right. shot. But still, we're still.

We got it together. We got downstairs, right? I go through a couple of SB, 1,200 discs, right? The first three, the second one I put in, when I played it, he just,

and this is the world as yours, you're playing? You want to sing on it? I want you to do the hook. The world is. Ooh. But, you know, that was doing it on some hip-hop shit.

You know, I'm saying? And then we got in the studio. Went to battery. That's where we did it. Right. Oh, battery suit. That's up. Jive. Jive. Okay. I watched you lay the scratches in one take. Primo came in there.

Yeah, I did the scratches. I think that was the quiet as I've ever been to. I just staring. He just was like this. Look it. And I was just like, oh. But the world don't know. Does the world know who nazes? Like, never the harmekew happen.

Back to the grill again? Half time was out. Half time was out. Okay. What about back to the grill again? Was he? Back to the grill. Back to the grill.

That was out. He was building. He was building at this point. Right. So he had a buzz already. This was crashed through with the Lomatic. Because he was out. When it was done and finished, man. But, man,

what? What? Like, what's going to be? Right. Did his three joins on it? 10 and a half three at the time. No. What did you have?

I only had represent. But not the one on the album. The one that's on the Omatic is a remix. What? The one of the vinyl on the single? No, just the one that's, the one that's on the album period. The one that's on the album period is the remix at the baseline. You go.

Hold on. This is original. So what's the original? I can play it. Yeah, we need to hear it. I got it. We'll do it after. We'll put it in.

Yeah. Yeah. But I can't believe. I'm crazy. I'll save that story, Primo, because I still can't believe. What is this? What is this again? We celebrate over 25 million.

We're being congratulated by CBS. That's so good. That's another round of applause. You're one and another plaque. I just didn't know I was going to get it from podcast. That's dope. Well, just, thank you hip-hop. Thank you hip-hop.

The fact that, you know, I don't know if you guys know, but we only interview legends, not because we don't have love for the new generation, because we do. Yeah. But I feel like in hip-hop, hip-hip is the only place that you get 10 years in, you get 15 years in, and they say you old.

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Yeah, right. We know he was not blow. There was a lot of anticipation even when you guys were working on the project. Nobody in the game rapping like that. It was like rock him again. Nobody. Right. Right. Yeah. He stood in his. own light, but he was probably inspired by the Kugi Raps to Rosh, no question. No question. But, yeah, that

was, that was the one. This was new and up and coming, and we were confident. And he was confident. Were there a lot of records on that project that didn't make the project that you guys heard? Was that the only beat you made? Oh, so it was one and done.

One hit or quitter. Now, the first be that going. What? away from the way and then the cut up did the remit Yeah man And he's just I mean you talk about it

Okay yeah yeah time The chinted remix Just had me all upset Oh wait wait wait wait wait There was a world is yours Remix Like in a good way Yeah

Like damn my I should have just did a quick remix Right Right you're all get better You know but And they're both amazing Yeah yeah And it's totally different You know

Different approaches His talent is amazing Q-Tip, shout out to him. Yeah, it's our brother. What up, Kamal? So now, you did, you said three joints. Yeah, memory lane and New York State of Mine. Memory Lane, I know, Memory Lane.

Relax, you got to be a lot. Memory Lane, me and Nas had a debate on that one because I actually didn't like that one. This is pride to his lyrics. This is the crazy shit. I've been in the studio with Free Bowl. Yo, you're really a perfectionist, yo. Because I do it on the spot. Yo, you really are perfect.

Yo, I went to do six times We couldn't get a beat, right? And then he said, he came to me, he came to me and said, what's your rhyme, nigga? And I said, Melville flat dropped. My whole galasso stop.

I can't believe I've ever made the half-assah. That's an incredible joy. And R-Pedia pops too. Then you made the beat in two fucking seconds flat. Is that? No, now. That's one of my big records when I performed. No, I, but the thing about it is,

is that what you have to, you have to hear the vocals first? No, no. But our particular situation. Right. Is one of the best hip hop albums ever in hip-hop culture. Thank you so much. Ever so much, you got to understand.

You're humbling. I was on the war report. And now you got me on another one. And not only that. This was the year reunion. As you emerged as a solo artist too, right. I mean, your first, your first Noriel was sick. That was.

It is sick. Thank you. I mean, like to this day. What? I'm sorry. I want to get back to big more. What happened was we wanted a primo be so bad. Right.

Everybody wants a primo bad. But for some reason, our schedules was messed up. And then we went to D&D. We went to D&D. And I felt like he needed something from us. And we just kept, wasn't giving it to you. And then you just, the six section, I remember. It was a sixth section you said.

This is after he called and screamed all this. And I was like, y'all. And I'm a stand-up God, too. I was like, yo, just meet me this week. Because I'm, you know, the hawklobber is like, I know he's hon. And he was like, yo, man, I'm feeling like, you know, we're going to get you to bread. And then that day, and you came with like 30 D. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. You're not sorry. No, but the crazy shit was, he said, what's your opening line? And I said that. So you had that rhyme already? Oh, do I had the rhyme already? I just was waiting for something perfect to go. Because that fit perfect.

And then I said it. And he said, say it again. And he made the whole beat. Yo. He was like, say it again. And I was like, oh, okay. I swear it's right in my mind. I was like, he kept saying, say it again.

My turn table was set up on a big old 1970s television. Right. With the wood and everything. With the record player on the news. The tube joints. And I got the turntable and the mix on there. Capone sat right there going, yo, I still can't believe. you got a turntable on a television for seven

right around there and that's what he said with the 50 inch pen I mean the other with the panisans because everybody in the hood and the projects have on the radio but what we got to do right now

Premo is describe D&D studios because that's so I'm not gonna lie to pinnacle hip-hop was actually not nowhere near the hood

nah but it was in Manhattan in the city but one of the city but one of the city But once you get into D&D, you win the projects. Well, that was a heroin. That was a heroin block.

When we started working there in 92, that was a heroin block. So during that time, a little bit prior before y'all started coming, it was drug central. There was no lights. So it was very dark. They ran a newspaper route across the street. So we used to always beat with them. And it was a lot of fighting and threats.

And I'd go get my gun and all this crazy stuff back then. And it was just. Pips. I remember heavy digal bless him came by and said, do we really got to finish the side here? But you demanded the people do everything. Yeah,

that was home. So, Hal had to go, I went and went over to hit factory to finish working with him because he was like, yo, this is grimy brain.

And I was like, yo, that's how I do it. You had a machine that had Philly cigars in, what is it called? The machine? The vending.

The vending? You had a vending machine. With bamboo and Philly. Did you have condoms in there as well? I think you had comments. Oh, this is all kind of weird stuff. It was all kind of weird. It was very independent machine.

The dude had to restock at least every week. For whatever the fuck was in there. They had to be bought. Yo, I kid you not. I used to be like, because you know, every time we used to go to the studio, we used to always stop and cigars. But we went to D&D and D and he said,

we never stopped. We said, just go straight there. It was a little bit like, like more expensive, but it was like worth it. It had them in. It was convenient. $4.00. Yeah, much of the big deal back then. So now recently

Pete, Kanye and Jay-Z just hired you to do a joint. Describe Woodham. What was that like? Going to Hawaii, man, Black Sand Beach. Okay, I'm sorry. I did not know. Hawaii. Let's make some noise with that.

He just flossed on. A kid in a candy store with me. Jimo Kanye. Got in his new whip. Brand-new whip tag still on. Me, him, him. Kid Cuddy in Hawaii burning the road from zero

to 60 in less than three seconds That's how hot that guy is You got pulled over A word? Police Leverna Cohnia But now, when he gives you That call Because At the end of the day

You represent the purest form of hip-hop So when you get a call from Kanye What is your first reaction? I'm just going to bring all my knowledge around me And when I got there he actually impressed me with what he knew. You know what I'm saying? And from my interludes to just like music in general

and how he respects it. So I knew we was on to something good from the start. So I started helping him out, like run away, all the last meeting the bathroom, helping him out, just hitting it popping. But when we got together into the joy, I didn't know Jay-Z was going to be on.

Wow. So my engineer at the time was Nung-Guru. Right. So you know, guru. Oh, that was your engineer? At that time. At that time. So I was working with him. And, you know, he called me and he said, yo, listen to this. And I was driving at the time.

And he, you know, he had some voice got on there that was familiar to me. It's familiar. I think he pulled over, son, son. Who that? Who that, be? He was like, listen, listen. He played it again. And I had, he was like, cheesy. Yeah.

Is that Jay-Z? We finally get something together. After he's your first time working. We finally, he finally gets on the beat, and it happened through Kanye. You called your name on the verse and everything. Pete Rock, let the record drive. He made it real good. I was happy for that, even though Primo was already well deep into Jay-Z.

All right, right. His music. Let's make some noise with that. Now, Primo, you were actually on reason moved out, Correct? A lot of us done at D&D. That's correct.

The credit's say D&D. So now, this kid comes to, now you already worked with Nyes. Nause albums already out. You already crowned

the top producer. But now this guy comes to you. He got some bread. But I know you. You don't give a fuck about bread. I know you.

And did you know him from original flavor? Yeah, I know before that. Oh, before that. I knew Jay probably about 87. because Jazz O was on EMI and then even when we got signed to EMI

which was through Christmas but same distribution Jay would still would always come up there with Jazz O so anytime Jazz O would show up to any club or whatever Jay was always with him and back then Jay had the big, long, ducky cable. We're going to get Jay Zee to squash it with Jazz up.

We know. Yeah, for real. Yeah, we were talking about that yesterday. This drink chance. We're going to spread the rope up. Just coming together with them. Squash beef. Not an hand in a half.

And so being, He comes to you. What does he say to you? He says Prim. Because you've seen them in the industry. Yeah. And one thing about cream, Prame don't give everybody a beat.

No. You've got to prove yourself as a real MC to get a beat. So what did Jay-Z do that you said I'm a fuck? Well, even when it got to the point of him hanging with a little original flavor, that's when I was still in the Bronx and chubby chubby chubble up down the block. And ski and ski. And so down university down the other way, down the hill from me from my little. where we were.

You know, it goes uphill, down, everything's downhill up the hill. They were down the hill from where I was. And so, so being I knew Jay already,

it's crazy because Bigel was already saying, yo, you know, if you noticed Big El was with Jay a lot, but also Jay was... They managed Bigel, right? Yeah,

they were merging into doing some work, which is how to Rock Felicity situation was about to happen. But, but I know, Jay also aside from the Jazz O when he was McCain. So I see him with Kane. Mr. C's from L.G.

And then Mr. C. Projects, yes, and Brooklyn. And then Mr. C moved in. I think it was his aunt or somebody's house. You can't be Jay's got in your own. You know, good. Come on, man. It's a family affair.

Stories. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We spread love over here. We smoke and I'm drinking. He's a shot. He did it like on the slide. I'm getting my job going.

I was going to pass that on something in people that about the eye contact because I've seen people go and I'm like, hey. You know who told me the eye and I want you to finish your story. Please. Because the fans will kill you. All right. But I was actually drinking with Joe Pessie one night. Wow.

He would not. He just stunned it on us right now. But did? You just started out. You just started out. You got a lot of Joe Pesci. I got Joe Pesci. I didn't know how it was done.

I thought it was regular. Look, ahead. You're going to finish his story, please. The fans might kill me. He would not let me take a shot without looking at it. And this is old school because this is the 90s. So everybody else from Queens moved to Long Island. I was the only fucking asshole that moved to Jersey.

And so I was, you know, I was amongst, you know, the Thai. For some reason, I don't know why, but I always move next to the Italian mafia. I'm sorry. I don't know why, but it's always some. I live by that, man. I live by that. I was looking at me. You got to look at me.

You got to look at me. You got to look at him. Oh, yeah. You got to be down in front. Yeah, there's all a bunch of high-y and over then. Yeah, I always spoke with hardcore Italians. And they just went and I said, why? Why?

I got to look eye to eye. They said, because in the mafia, if a person can't look at you to the eye when they take a shot, that's the person that's going to shoot you. Oh, wow. And, you know, back then it was like that. You know what I mean? It's not normal. Yeah.

I've been living by that. And even when somebody don't do it, I always say, hey, excuse me, just always look at me. And it's a very, very important thing. Well, general rule, if they can't look at you in the eye, period. So now, Jayce, it's reasonable doubt. Yeah. So by the time he got to reasonable about, how many times you did don't reason for? Three.

I did, I did the evils. Wait, wait a minute. He'd just be three for three and everybody, man. Fucking Illmatic. And three. Yep. And you got to ask you to manage me. You got a man to me, Priemo.

By that time, me and Jay knew each other so well. What you need? I was doing WBLS at the time, and I was doing radio. So Clark Kent brought Jay-Z up there to let me hear in my lifetime the single that they impressed up themselves. The original in my life, because they had the two versions. Yeah, the one that I can't get with that with sauce money. That's how I met sauce. So when they brought it up during my commercial break, and I heard it, I was like,

I'm going to play this out of the commercial break. They're like, but you just, listen, you're going to play it now. I'm like, yeah. Open the show with it. Next thing you know, Jay's like, I got something for you. You get me a bottle of Cristyle. I didn't know what Cristow was because we were still drinking more. And he's like, yo, this is the real deal champagne right here.

This is a big, big ball of stuff. I was like, cool. And I saved it for years and years. Save the bottles? Yeah. And I finally drank it, you know, and now, of course, you know, Jay don't fuck with Christau. Yeah, we don't fuck with him. So fuck you.

There you go. Yeah. Fuck you. So, not over the spades now, right? Ace the spades. Yeah, so it's not the best, but it's okay. There you go. Did I say that all right?

He said that out. At Nanz's birthday party was the first time I taste the space because Jay came to the birthday party. I was like, I was nothing to taste that. He said, oh, no. He poured me a glass and slammed it down. I'm all a whiskey guy. I'm a brown liquor guy.

Whiskey guy. Now, before we get into this interview, before we get into the interview. So Dane approached, well, Jay approached me about us. We had a friendship already. Okay. And then he introduced me to Dame. I used to see Dame in the Bronx walking his dogs all the time.

Yeah, he always had his dogs and he'd walk him around because he was going to see Chubby Chub and Steve. Because he was handling him with managing them. And now we're saying Chubby Chubby Chubby. DJ, yeah. DJ from original flavor. That's my man. He's a big DJ in Boston. In Boston.

Yeah, okay. So Dane used to be around there walking his dogs all the time. So we met then. But it was just small talk We were just, you know, everybody knew Gangstar was at the time We were already known enough So from there, Jay said, this guy handles the business

So I went and dealt with him, told him how much I said, because it's Jay I'm only going to charge you $4,000 which was very, very, very lucky and I don't believe in luck but that's a blessing for me to give you that type of number. We went in the back, they gave me the cash, and I started getting busy.

Now, Jay calls no cash, no. And and Jack, Let's make some noise to crack. Woo! I'm not making it. A good moment. It is what it is. Go ahead.

Can he keep your call? Okay. Jay called me and said, I got this song called the evil. He explained it to me. Oh, my God. That's that right. He explained it to me.

Then he rapped the whole song on the phone. Then after he wrapped it on the phone, then he gave me the scratch idea and said, I, what do you mean? He said, I want to judge it. So he had it all mapped up. Oh, scratches. Okay. that can you save me?

I can't die. I can't. Even now, he said, make you go, I can't. He gave you that? He knew the samples you wanted you to cut. Not the sample to make the beat. He just gave me the idea of how to, he said, this is the atmosphere I want musically, but I want you to, no matter what you make, do these scratches. And I went down there and I said, yeah, I'll be ready by the time you get there. And it was ready. When he walked in, I said,

Bim-d-d-d-m- With the scratches, he picked the rap record. That's what I'm saying, that he took the samples for the cuts. He said, hey. He already had that. He picked them. He picked that already. On the phone. On the phone.

That's crazy. He already knows how to scratch. Yeah, on the phone. So he had that well thought out. And you know so crazy, him and Biggie used to always lay their cup vocals, and then they both would leave and go, all right, do the premier thing. And they both said the same thing. Do the premier thing. They went to sit there like, oh, I got to watch you.

Man, I got to make sure it's right. It said, do the premier thing. We're going out. And they would leave. let me just do my thing. I might have said, do the Berman. If you did it,

you did it. Once a new one was my first drop, you said, you're good. So now, P. Rock, you're established, you're a super producer,

you've done everything, you work with the best. What makes you say I'm going to do a whole album? First off, would duck down before smoke dizzle. Because you did a whole... No, he did the Loud & Western.

The Joint on Loud. Smith & West. So it was a... I had Soul Survivor, too. Yeah, on loud. With Lutang. Yeah, everyone's... He was on there.

He was on loud. Lou Sand. Lusanne. You know, that was the best label. You know, that's crazy, man. He was doing up in there. What was the best label? So what?

What made you say, you know what? I'm going to do a whole project with Smith & West. I think it was just the aura of who I'm going on. And it just made me say, you know what? Damn, I love all these things. And they're good dudes, too. Let me see if I could make a joint with them. Then I went to Steve.

He was with the idea. did. I knew he could make it happen. Then I was on the label, they signed me. I was like, wow, okay. It's one album, deal, but I said, you know, I'm going to make this one real good. And then look, I got the talent around me. Let me just see what's shot. And then boom, I'm just going and start making it happen.

And now you got to join what smoked this. It's funny the shit with me and you. I was, I was getting real close with each other. Are we talking strange fruit right now? No, we're talking, um, we're talking. The fat Albert Jones. The shit on social. Are you on there?

Yeah, man. I know. I had, I had such a great time in the studio. What was it, Green Studio? Yeah. Green Street. Yeah. You were in my memory.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the DNA of P. It was Green Street. But that was way down to him. That was way. That was his deal.

That was like Jamie Stob. I used to read his credits. It was in my heart. Get the fuck out. I came in right after that. And then, it must told me the whole story. He's always he said.

You're Mons. Oh, I'm about to say your mom's talking? You missed it, man. You got stripped, but they did. They shot the gun. Man, they shot a bullet hole.

Buller holes in the wall. It's still in the wall. God damn. Let's make some noise from Bullock. Congress. It was a great time and great place was my home. That's where I did.

So who was it? It was me, pun, in common. Me, pun and common. What a combination. That's an ill. Yeah. And me and pun got real

tight. You know what I mean? No, listen, Pete, let me just tell you something. We were so armed to come back. We had a ball. We ordered what? We ordered pieces.

It was green street studios. I could never forget it because, you know, Pete showed me, and I remember I had the cardiac frames on at that time, too. And I also had a very important sweater on that I bought from Miami. It was called because this was the guy

who designed Iceberg but then he went and did his own thing and I forgot what it was called but it was some fly shit and I bought it from Bal Harbor and I only wore it to Pete Rock suit that made some noise so now

so now you guys you work with Knops you worked with Jay have you ever worked with Big you never worked in a bag? He'd been to my crib he was picking my in a little beat

He was like, you know And then, you know, he heard the idea of juicy in my basement You know, Puffer came with It was the one that brought big to my house You know, we all from Mount Vernon. Because you're all from Mount Vernon Puff is from Della Avenue And Mount Vernon

And bought Biggie to the crib And he was just like, yo, Biggs was like, yo, I just want to see how you make a beat And then I made this beat called That's a song called In The Flesh on the Main Ingredient and I made that He wanted it You know But it didn't happen somehow

But he ended up using it It went out But he was there And saw the process But now describe that Because now You know Puff is from Mount Vernon

So you look at him like a pair But now Do you realize that this guy that he just brought To your studio Is the most legendary Person in the world You knew

You do The aura was there Because I think Puff came on the show and he's growing big as disruptive like his look was disruptive. Did you get that feeling when you see him? I didn't even pay attention to that. I was about to scale.

The lyrics. You know, the homie, the rap. The flow. I got the beat to match. You know what I mean? Let's get something popping. But he heard the idea of juicy.

And just, you know, I didn't actually do the actual original. I ended up doing the remix. And that was the only thing, you're big at a gun. But, you know, if, you know, He did pick beats. Right.

You know, we just didn't get a chance to. Yeah, he knew what he wanted to rap to. Yeah, man. He was picking him. Now, you, Primo, how did you first meet Big? I met Big. When we moved back to Brooklyn, Fort Green, we lived in a lot of rough places. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We moved around a lot. This is a lot. When Bramford, when Bramford finally officially moved out and went to California, we turned this place into a frat house party house Rizzo was there The jizzle was there Washington between Lafayette and Green And there's Brooklyn

Yeah brook Okay good It's old school Brooklyn Yeah not jintify No not jitify So that you get killed Wee swam and outside Every other store

So let's be clear You can get shot Coming outside Oh no question I'm 40 He's like Oh yeah That's just you could get shot

That was a shoot him up corner This is not this is not This is not The vegan No way, no. This is pre-hipster. This is Old English train. I just want him to cry.

This is when Biggie wore the same green. This one sitting in Biggie wore the same green Army jacket. And the sleeves were about the right to ear. So a little wrist action showing. So everybody's board all the time. I knew Nino, Chico, C's, Kim. Would they bring you this guy? No, I got to give Mr. C the credit.

Mr. C, big of money. But he's from the beginning with Big. He was annoying me. He was, he wasn't notorious VIG yet. He was Biggie Smalls. And somebody else had Biggie Smalls so that he'd have to change in. But I used to do a lot of shows with Kane,

and there was time that I couldn't, my turntables got damaged, but back then you carried your equipment on tour. And all your records. And all your records. And why he had been on DJ Rayleigh. Because he wanted to still bring his money. He got to relax.

And Mr. Cidlundee, He bought his turntables. Right before Kane took the stage so the gangstock would perform. So, again, he lived right down the block from all the weedspso that we knew. And so you got to go out at Mr. Seahouse and then the dope weed spots is right there. Right. The new one. The one is like, oh, no, no, that one's dead.

This one. And so. North Sherman Gates. The nice Franklin Ave area. All right. So then during that time, Mr. Seves had called me Goprene, Biggie Smalls, I'm like, see, I'm going to listen to it. Like, just give me some time. Weeks past, yo, Prime, Biggie Smalls.

That's why I'm like, yo, see. Before unsigned hype. Yeah, right? Yeah, just Biggie Smalls, Biggin. I'm like, dude, I'm going to listen to it. Because we were pretty busy at that time already. Monday I listened to it, like the demos that I heard. And then I met Big on the corner.

I was going to the corner store, me, Guru, Big Shug, Dap. And Dap was in love with Lil Kim. And Lil Kim was like, get away from me, Dad. Because they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a little Dap. Little Dap, little, little Bucking, C, York, baby. What about. And that's down to this very day. Shows it down.

Group of gold. Yeah, that's family. Melanchai. Melanchai got a lot before many of these homes. They're welcome home Melanchai. You know, we all connect me. J-Rue, all of us are still good. So then Big was like, yo,

C told you, told me he's been stressing you. I was like, yeah, I finally heard it. I said, we got to get something in. And then he goes, yo, puff is it. This is when he said, Puff is interesting. And it's signing me. So this is how far back we go. Before the day.

This is. This is 92. There's 92. He said, Puff is addressing and sign him. I said, dude, go with him. I said, Puff, not only has money, he got a vision. I said, he's going to blow you up.

He said, well, I don't know, man, you know, I want to keep his hood. I'm like, yo, he doesn't want to go with Puff. Wow. You know, and then, boom, next thing you know, Puff started coming around. And actually, I tell people this. Puff was the first.

I'm sorry. I'm, I want you to have been. Because Puff is the first, remember, you estate. Yeah. But, so what was the first record you actually worked on with Big? Unbelievable.

Oh, wow. Unbelievable. This is actually what trickled down. This is what trickled down. That was a single. Yeah, it trickled down into why I gave Jay Z and them the price, a lower price for a reasonable doubt because when we did unbelievable, the budget had run out for Big. And I told Big, I don't have time to make a beat.

And he goes, yo, I got $5,000. thousand dollars and I was like yeah thousand you know but we were already cool with each other but I felt weird telling them no but I really didn't have the time and I'm a person then Pete will tell you this I make the beat on the spot

and now that's something that people don't realize I don't have like 20 beats and go you'll pick one like take number six and number four number seven you make it for the person that's a real way you cater to the beat you cater to the beat I can't handle a house they said that's what they do they make it to the artist so I didn't have nothing for big that was

dope. A lot of people are like, no, come on, man. I know you got something. It's like, I don't. I really don't. You come here, we can make it. Big old, I don't care if you taking pizza president and just some funny stab sounds. He knew the slant. And you know what stabs is what we say

in the production era. So he said, I don't care if it's just some stabs. I said, oh, word? So come on up tonight then. That's what happened. He comes up. I said, I'll take the $5,000. I said, but if you get a deal and you go platinum, I won $35,000 per track.

We did the song. After him going platinum. Yeah. That's when the funny. We did the song. Wow, you're back in. Negotiations crazy. He comes in. He comes in. We do the song. It becomes the B side of juicy.

It was like the street single for juicy. It was my first gold single. So I was like, wow. As soon as he got the deal to up the money, I remember he goes, yo, I got the check for it. You said, 35, right? He said, I got two of them. He brought me the check, and Puffy gave me the check, and I was

like, wow, he kept his word. Oh, so this wasn't on paper? It was his word? It was like a handshake shit? Yeah. Let's make some noise of big. God damn. There's so much hip-hop history. And getting 30 grand back, 35 back then? No, that's a big triple. That's 90,000.

So now, let me ask you, because you, your reputation is like the most hip-hop some hip hopist. Now, Janet Jackson, you work with Janet Jackson. You work with Christina. Millian.

No, no, I'm Millian. Aguilera. Aguilera. Did you work with Britain Spires as well? No. No? Okay. So just, that shit is crazy. As a hip-hop producer, you get this call. What is your first thing to say?

For Christina? Yeah, because, you know, that's always... Wasn't it her dude that put her on to? Her ex-husband Jordy had put her on some of my stuff, but she liked it. Right. So she called me and goes, yo, I just heard the group. Home album. Oh, shit.

Nah, that's hell. That's a hell. Hold on. Wait, wait. What? Cristina. I got in a little.

She said she just heard Roop. I met at the Chateau Montmont down the hill on sunset. You kind of front of it. You're flying. That was fly.

That was flying. That's what my mom. Chateau. That might as well be in Germany. That's just that's close. It was a lot of wig, a lot of wig, big wigs,

and drink and everything. I definitely didn't get enough money. I never even heard of that. So it's right down the hill, it's right after Deepass Tower Records. Oh, here you look at the Big Tower Records right in that area. And it's got a big neon size of the Chateau Montmore with Bush and so you can't really see the spot. And she's in my Rose Royces outside. I saw the white, the white phantom.

I said she's here. She's walking there with Jordy. She goes, yo, I love group home. I was like, wow. That's random, though. To her, it's just pinpoint group home is crazy. One of the grimy is out of them. That's the sickest.

And she liked all the jazz samples I use on some of the gangsters. So she liked, she liked jazz things. She liked work. She liked, yeah, she liked, she like, you know, my steves, even though that was my soul. But the song she was named with joints, like, wow, if that attracted you to want to work with me, let's go in. And then we ended up, we were supposed to do one record,

which was called Back in the Day. next thing you know she was like y'all stay here a couple more weeks and we just started banging out and turned it into five records and then that was the first grammy i ever got for a single whereas you know not for the for being on the aisle i got a grammy for de angelo working on the album and for j z on hot knock light but to get one for the single is singles out all the other songs on the album it's like for that one song you got a grammy so that was a big monumental part of my career it was dope it was beautiful man make some noise for that god damn that you said you'll work with them but you want to see them write the rhyme in their face It was somebody, I forget

I'll work with them but I want to see them write the rhyme Write the rhyme I think it was like a Justin Bieber Oh okay All right, yeah He knows The cipher Which I've been doing

Oh was the cipher Yeah for BET. We didn't know the cipher for BET Hip Hopal Wars was going to even get this big Right It was an idea It's just a own thing now. Shout to Jesse Collins.

And congratulations to Jesse Collins for doing real well with the new edition story. That was his idea. And it blew up and did really, really well. Did big numbers. And Jesse's a good friend of mine. We argue and fight a lot over

no it's wrong if you do it this way. You know it's right if you do it this way. We fight a lot, but he's such a good friend that we always find a compromise. When he brought up the idea of doing the cipher, it was a one-time thing. It was Papoose, Stiles Pee, Remy, who else was in it,

Rom Fest, and then there was a second one. And those two, I couldn't make it because I was on tour. So I had DJ Scratch fill in for me. I just gave him the beat and said, let's keep it break beats only. You know, because I'm the now that's elevated. People are like, yo, man, I need something to turn up to. It's like, no, this is the pure form of how we do it. We're keeping the break beats.

So are you a producer on that specific thing? I picked the beat. I'll loop it. I'll do maybe four. James Brown loop, breakbeat from Ultimate Break. to be it's whatever and I'll send those and whatever one Jesse's like you I like this one we'll clear it with whoever

owns it and then we'll send it to all the artists and we tell them 16 bars and quit everybody's got 90 bars everything and it's like they never follow the rules then they get mad like yo they edited my stuff and it's like no we told you 16 and quit right and again

it was one time only second year comes around of the cipher they're like we we want to do it again now they got three ciphers then that turned into four ciphers after that. Now it's starting to get ciphers where they're starting to put a lot of artists that I'm like, nah,

nah, they can't rhyme, don't put them in there, and it's going into that stage of it. Now it's like, where they're popular, they're no more known than the skilled emcees. I'm like, yeah, but if you're taking away the skill, that causes problems with the authenticity, and

that's why I have a problem because I want to stay authentic. Yeah, but all the fans love them and they're on TV, and they're on every video and these other guys nobody's paying attention to them. I'm like, well, you know what? They're going to pay attention to them when they see how dope they split to these beats. So we always have that fight.

One year, they say, yo, what do you think of Justin Bieber spitting on a sci-fi? I said, I'm going with it as long as he writes a rhyme. And if it's a dope rhyme, let's do it. Let's go. They said, what if somebody else writes it? I said, no, I'm with it. That was it. Go ahead, free will. It blew into water.

Go ahead, free will go out of water with... Go ahead. With rumors being saying that I mentioned this person, this person, no. It was just that simple. If he's going to do it, let him spit. And so the next thing you know, it's like that. Let him write that shit in front of it. Next thing you tell it turns in the whole campaign is showing him spitting verses on radio stations and all that.

And I'm like, yo, I'll work with Justin Bieber. As long as it's authentic, let's rock. I don't care if it's Justin Bieber. I don't care if it's Mary Poppins. If it's authentic, let's rock. That's right. But how important is that for you guys? It's very important.

So I had no problem with that. I was like, yes. Right, and let's do it. But just you wanted him to write him in front of you. Yeah, and they didn't say that he wasn't going to write. They said, what if he doesn't? I'm like, then no. Then all of a sudden it shows on the blog.

DJ Premier bans Justin B. It was like, how can I ban nobody? Because if it was my ciphers, you're going to see Cain there, Rennell there, Rakim there, DITC doing a whole cycle with AG and Diamond and O.C and all of them. It's going to be people like that, you know. Right. You see when the Shady Cipher, it was Eminem, you know, people with skills. Eminem, Royce, Joe Button, crooked eyes, skills.

Now, how important is that for you guys? You guys have the integrity. You guys are top of the line. The producers, when we speak in real, real, real, real hip-hop, you guys' name has to be brought up. Now, is it ever a time where you see? sit back and say, you know, I'm going to do it for the money this time. Or you say, I'm going to always stay who I am.

Always stay who I am. And I've been tempted. Like, damn, that much? We always tempted. But it's in our hearts to be passionate about loving what we do. We do it for the love. It's like, it's just that's who we are. Staying authentic.

The money comes, we say. Limbiscuit was a good example. Tell us that. Because when my manager kept pressing me to do it, Patrick Moxie at the time, I was like, nah, because I said Fred Dirtz can't rap. And my eyes on the level of what people. I don't want my fans going, damn, Pram. You work with him.

And I like Limpisket for what they do. But if you're going to get with me, you got to get a lot more ink. You know what I'm saying? And that's the bottom line. They go, well, Method Man is on the song. I said, oh, word. I said, then send me the rug. He sent me the rough and meth was on it.

I thought, then, okay, then I'll do it. And it was a big check, a huge check. One of the biggest checks I've ever gotten. Wow. So the good thing I liked about Fred Durs was he called me and said, I need to talk to Prine. And he was just becoming one of the new executives at Anoscope with Jimmy Avine. And he said, yo, man.

This is recently? When new executive? Back when they were really popping and we were doing. But he had respect for what you. But you do. And we had a dope conversation, and it was to the point. He said, the best you can get out of me, I'll do it. He came to D&D.

So he tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. He tried. God himself. Nobody got no nothing. And they were big at the time.

This is a second album. And he was like, yo, get the best you can get out of me. I don't care if you don't like it, whatever. I'll do it. And that was the best I could get what's on the song. But the fact that he put the effort in, I like the fact he put in the effort. And he knocked it out. Next thing you know, he said, yo, we're doing a video.

He flew us out. We had a big video shoot. We had a good time. And it was just a really, really fun session. And then me and Fred were cool after that. Yo, before, the thing is that you guys mentioned Dwick and we didn't go back to Dwick. Let's go back to Dweig. Troy is one of the biggest hip-hop records ever.

And Dwyck is one of the biggest hip-hop records ever. It is. So we need to hear. You can turn that record off. We need to hear the story of the music. Dwick. The only reason why Dwick happened. Because that's all of our summer anthems, by the way.

Like, we all. Nicest mood did a song called On the Anandane, A Damning Change, called Down the Line. Right. It was with a whole bunch of emcees. It was with a whole bunch of emcees. He said bass blaster. Yeah, on Connecticut. Included, and I shot to Ray Ponce.

And then Guru was also on it. He said, I want to loop the manifest beat and do my own version. Because a lot of people don't know. Most of the nicest move hits. Greg Nights does all the beats. Wow. I didn't know that. I've seen him do it.

He's for all that stuff, hip-up junkies. Every, every... Oh, the hip-hop junkie. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, fun. He did a bunch of challenge. Hey.

How is this movie? Sorry. I'm on bad. I got the record. All that kicking wicked rhymes like a fortune time. Had a dog on his old... He did all that stuff. Yeah.

Great. Nice. This plot for me to make a lot We're mad hip hop right now He's been to music He's a hip-hop He did

He did he get funky for you All that stuff Did Zika Lesby plays a sax I know he doesn't play a sax I remember Brand for myself He'll play the fucking sax

But it worked Me and myself I love to Max You know He did all those beats So Greg Nice is a dope Beat making Wow

Yeah so That's why I mean I used to have conversations So he took the manifest Instrumental on made a beat, and all we were doing was, because we hang tough.

It was a nice and smooth gangstar, riding a D-Train. We'd go to the castle, which was grimy in the Bronx, and this was when they had to shoot out, was sick Greg, all that stuff. Like, we were around, all that stuff.

Boom, next thing you know, we said, well, let's return a favor and do a record for us. So that's all it was. You're going to do one for us. We're going to do one for us. We're going on the end. That's why I was the beat side,

and it wasn't on the album. I remember people were like, Oh, yeah, y'all left it off the album. It's like, nah, the album was already done. We're just doing it for fun. Right. We were doing it. And that became a huge, such a huge...

And we didn't know it was going to be a huge hit. We didn't know it was just a huge hit. We're just doing it in return. I didn't know it was just fun. I remember, you know. You'd be surprised how Rick is happening. I know. Shout to Dub C.

He was there. Aren't you related to somebody on the West like that? No, we're just good friends. We're just good friends. But you did an album on MC8 recently. Yeah, that's coming out on. And MCA. Not the tightest track.

Yeah, let's go back to T. Shout to MCA for Combs is most wanted. He did two of the film records for boys in the hood. He did growing up in the hood. Yeah, no, no, MCA. And he did a straight-up

everybody at the time. So, yeah, we have an album. We have an album. We have one hit, one hit, one hit. We have which way is West? On camera. This is coming soon and all, and also the NYD's album.

Bad meat Teeful. Yeah, yeah. You produce D. You have an idiot. And he produced the Eves. And we have a lot of the condososos of weed. So, you know, people know. And then shout to Tori Wolf and also shout to Miguel,

who we have a single out right now called To Loving You. Now, what happened was, where were we? Where were we? Dwick. Dwick. So Dube C was there. Wow, that's cool. And Don Barron from the Masters of Sarah.

Oh. Yeah. Because he was good friends with Greg Knight. Question, though. Yeah. How did the horny version happen to Dwick? I was just doing that just bugging out. So the horny version?

Yeah. 20. It's a funny version. The vocal version had a glitch. You remember when you go to that

the dad and go Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when we bounced into the We stay quiet. Let them talk. We popped to that and had the glit.

You remember how Dad used to glitch? Yes. And they go, I was like, we can't put it out like that. So what you do? Slow it down.

That's why I just put the instrumental on there. On the B side of the 12. It's too great. Damn. When did y'all know you had something with Dwick? Like, I mean, immediately, when that shit came out. When we finished it, it was crazy.

Like I said, Dub C is from the West Coast, wearing Scullies all in the heat of it in the summer. Westside connection and a chripped-out. Cripped-out. And cagies and Pendleton's all hot. And I was like, yo, you ain't hot and all that stuff. It's like, because this is how it is in the West Coast. And that's how I learned about the West Coast.

This is 1989. Master Ace had just joined our Improred. And Matt's Ace was heavy doing the car show stuff on the West. I knew Shibon Knight already back then. He was 89. He was Bobby Brown. He was hanging with the LIS over the back. Oh, yeah, you're a DOSC.

So I was there with JJ Fed, the NWA, all that stuff. Me and EasyE came to the first gangstar release party in 1989. Did you play? A picture? That's right. Down with the king. Yeah. So, rest of peace to easy stuff.

We met them back in 89. So, killed it. You killed it. You know, but for Dove C to be there back then, that shows you we go to, and rest of the piece of his brother

who passed on January. God, nice cubes, DJ, crazy tunes. That's a Dobsie. Rest and peace. Yeah, man. We sent them off Friday. We had an incredible,

a homegoing service. Mad people showed up. I saw y'all. Family reunion, man. Seeing all these West goes out from King T. And then see. and you know, Chuck D and LL there and everybody and, you know,

just every artist. The hip-hop family. Yeah. It was so packed and they just did it right, you know what I'm saying? Playing dope music in the church, playing flashlight and doing a whole collage of all the people he's been around on a video screen.

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March 20. 23rd on Revolt airs is the premier coming home Vietnam. I'm going to different countries and exploring hip-hop. That's big dad. The dope thing is I've been watching Drink Chats for a minute. I'm going to take this light. Since it started, I feel like you're lighting it up. I've been taking on a drink chance for a minute.

And it's just ill how the two of y'all are from really different. Totally different direction. I've known Norway from the streets. Like, he's been streeting for so long. Right. Yeah. Thank you. I've seen them elevate from the street level of rhyming to the sharper version of writing rhymes.

Right. Even when you and Bumpy had Joe drama and then we ended up doing a record together. Me and Bumby together. Yeah. And even when that happened, it wasn't even a disc. He was just like, yo, I'm a band of Nori. I want him to elevate his rhymes because I'm a band. Yeah.

And where everybody knows, Bumpf, Freddie. Fox is being a former boy where he is more into there's certain people he's attracted to for what they represent and he loves Noria. And more than this is an MC as a person. He's a big, big fan of you as a person. I big him up. Yeah, I big him up because he pushed me. He told me from the beginning, like if he had

mentioned my name on the record, he told me like, I just, I don't want you to say what, but I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'll keep it 100%. When I record it Super Thub, right? That's how I used to count bars. I used to say, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, two, what, what, what, what, what, what, three. I'm from the resource room. You know what I'm saying?

I was a special education child. Now you can pass it. So I told. I told for a row. I said, they're going to laugh at me. Wow. He said, that's the. hook. But he was a genius

too. He was a genius too because all he did was take out the ones. Like when I said, what, what, what, what, what. So he just muted it. All he did was muted. Wow. And then, so I got to give it to Farrell. Yeah, he muted that. So now

when you listen to it, you hear and you say, what, what, what, what, what, what. What? This day, this day, you don't even got to go to the verse. Yeah. That tears the club up. Yeah.

And what I was trying to say was, when I did it, I felt what Bumpy felt. That's why I never took it personal. Because I told for a row, I said, for real, all we need is a look. I said, all we need is look because I'm, you know, from a resource room. So, you know, I'm sorry. I said, oh, we need is a hook. And he said, relax. He didn't say relax, but in my mind.

He said, for a lot. I would never forget it. We were in right track recording studios. His chain was choking him. He had a tight chain on it. I told him. He had a choker? I was like, you've got a release. Because it was just so tight on this, like.

I love him, though. I love him. He knows I love him. That's for real, man. Yo, for real. That's for real. What are for real? I don't have no fucking for real kicks. I'm very upset.

But I love you, Farrell. Me and Mr. Lee D kicks. So I remember I'll go upstairs. I went up there. You remember right track? You remember right back? So I went upstairs and I said, oh, we need is the hook and we good.

And he said, we got the hook already. And I looked at them. I was like, because I had previously did that on every other record before that. We got mad. No recourse. But Joe, the first time I ever heard you do a T-O-N-Y and just the whole

wah-wah It's like that's your stamp Like no one else owns that You're our owner But that's the reason why If anybody else does it It's not right Because he was the nigger

Like I did that as ball Because remember Back then You gotta remember Back then We couldn't punch in So I would cut it No pro tool

To punch in even if you did It was wild No punching Yeah we may out Let's make some noise March 21st. That's how I always recorded my records was all the way through because remember

we had the 8-inch rails back there. Two-inch rail. Yeah, two-inch rail. My bad. I apologize. I got to relax. Whatever you think it was. It was.

So I was trained to just lay everything all together. So I came out and then he had the girl coming and the girl was saying, Which is not Kellis because everybody thought it was Calice. Everybody thought it was Caliase or what? Everybody thought it was Cali's not Colise. I don't know.

It's not Colise. I thought it was. She was around during that time. Yeah, yeah. But everybody thought that. Who is it? I'm so sorry that I forget this. Damn, though.

You know, I don't remember her. Tammy. It's definitely a Tammy. Sounds like you made up that name. It sounds like you made up that. That was an era. Something like that, right? That was an era of time.

That was an era of town that we were all cool, Calise. But look, we'll pray. So I come back. out and I say, yo, four-outs, all we need is a hook and we've done. And he said, Bicada. And I said, where's it I? And then he played it.

What? They're going to laugh at me. So when Freddie Fox came at me, he was like, I don't want the head of what, what, what? But he didn't know that wasn't me. It literally wasn't me. So I was literally mad. Mona, what's going on? Big up to Mona.

Shout out to damn near the owner. So now listen You guys see hip hop You worked with Gourg Rest and peace You work with C.L. Smooth.

Heavy D. Heavy D. Rest of peace, heavy D. I'm going in. So now what makes y'all say I'm going to work with people outside

of... Because the thing about hip hop back then was one producer did the whole album. I'm working on going back to that. One producer did the whole album. Now, you got, you got Elmatic where it's Pete Rock, premier, Q-Tip, large professor, L-E-S.

Then you go into, uh, at the big, the easy-mo-big. Big, easy-movie. Easy Mo-B. Lo-off and run with Park as well. L-P. Lord Finesse. Lord Freness. So what makes y'all

say I'm going to work with people outside of my group? Because we're not just we're just not in a hip-hop box. We're in a music box. And a music box has all styles that we appreciate based on the

cloth we're cut from of pioneers to open the door. Earth went and Fire. James Brown. Bootsie, The whole parliament Funkadelic movement Yeah, just any of that From Parlette, Brazzar fungus, anything Bootsie, anything, Parliament, anything George Clinton.

That's an era after James Brown That's so funky I mean, you know, like that's a funk That, you know, funk Like he says, funk not only moves, it can remove We come from that You know, so, Arita Franklin, Natalie Cole, Gladys Night in the Pips

Curtis Mayfield, all that stuff the Mac, all that stuff. That's my childhood. I don't know none about no hip hop to a hippie, hippie. I'm on that. I'm seeing my mom playing back to the world. Then all the dying and Ross. Yeah, Diner Ross.

Anything in Motown, Tamla, Gordy, soul records, any of that stuff. I'm good. I'm going to try to get you hit it one more time. His drink chance, god damn. I'm on camera. Deli emoji. He wants a smoke chance. He wants to make a smoke chance.

Nah, he rostapari. He rostafari. His Ross Safari and Roots is saying, My childhood It's platform shoes Afro's this big Afro she ain't commercials With Johnson

Johnson products Good times The Jeffessons All in the family You know the monsters That's my mama The monsters That's my mama

Now I'm gonna throw something in the air What's happening That's my hair All the All the All they're blocking stuff All that. You know all that?

Yeah. Roller skating. Rerun. Rerun. That's what I know. This is no rapping and scratching yet. What is Pete Brock's favorite studio session?

Out of all these years. My favorite studio session that I've ever had? Ever had. It probably had to been with Run DMC. Wow. It happens. Down with the king! Oh, shit.

That's our problem. Of this club. And he knocked a light and we got to like. Big up, bro. Yo, we were on a gang star tour last day, and Ryan Rund called us and said, hurry up and get here. We did 25 million streams.

Why was our line going on? And we did not make it back in time. And they said, and they said, y'all would have been perfect to be. Noddy by nature, we were just there. They were all in. And we came over the way y'all wasn't.

Everybody was gone. Damn. You know I gave CBS this idea, though. Come on, bro. I give him that idea. You got to relax. No, you got a relax. Calum, I said, we need a streaming plaque. No, we set up on the podcast, buddy.

We did say it? I got a podcast. I got to go with you, I'm sorry. I got to go with you. He feels more sober than me? Yeah. I don't know if it's a DJ thing. Yes, yes.

You could do the podcast. We have a memory. Yo, Jay Z. Oh, you got to relax. Jay Z saw me one day. Jay Z say, yo, I'm going to call you memory. man. You remember every show. He'll be seeing Jay-Z

and he'll go, what you remember this time? I'll say, I remember we were in Paris. We had a show like two in the morning, and he was doing the this is after the Justin Timberlake tour and Watch the throne. He was doing the Holy Grail tour. We found out he was in town.

Me and Keebler, wherever Keebler's at, I said, yo, I want to go see J-Z before him. We reached out, that's when he was still without him? Was that with you? No, no, this is in Paris. It's not the Minneapolis. It was in Paris. And we got a couple little time. I said, I want to go to the show. I reached out to the proper people, and they was like,

yo, John McNeely. John McNeely. He said, he'd reach out to John and reach out to John. He's handling everything. I reach out to John. Send him an email. I'm like, I'm out of here. Any way we can go to the show. I'm thinking he ain't going to respond. That thing blipped in like two men. He's like, yo, there's going to be passes waiting for you.

All access. Come backstage. I'm going to have a spot for you. Wow. Let's make some noise with Jay Z. All right, Bremil. Soon as soon as we go backstage after the show. because Tim Malin was DJ informed.

We go back, stage after the show, Jay Z goes, I will remember you got this time. Hey, could I introduce him to the Keeblum, my tour manager? He goes, He goes, yeah, he did, thank you for hooking this up, brother. Thank you, Kibla.

He's like, how you doing? He's like, how are you doing, Keebler, nice to meet you. He goes, no, what you got, remember you this time? I said, you met Keebler before. He goes, oh, no. How? I said, we were at Bad,

Bassline Studios, and Lupe Fiasco was auditioning for you. Oh, shit. And he had a big chain. This is a Lupe Fiasco had a big chain on with a big medallia. Which he would never do right now. And he was rapping for you now. And then he's much more focused on another level.

But Lupe Fiasso, come on, drink champs, got that. Loupe is a homie. Yeah, big a lot. Shirt to shout the first of 15. So he goes, he's auditioning for Jay. Jay's listening to all these rhymes. Lupe puts on a beat in the CD player. The CD's,

starts to go, da-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. You know how they skip. Lupe goes, end up and then it's finally stopped skipping, and it goes back into the rhyme. And we're like, dang. So right there, Jay goes, I totally remember that day. And he'll be in there and him and that next. You know, him and Keeble are off in the corner talking about sports.

You know, let's make some noise, guys. Here's the deal. Like, when I interview people, I like to. to, you know, dig into their life. Right. When I know the people, the people I don't dig into their life because I know them already.

Both of you guys I knew already. I know exactly what to ask you. But the thing about Jop would surprise me is y'all both come and y'all both do your own sound check. Oh, yeah. Mandatory. And so.

Now, what I'm asking is, I always would think, I always would think, like, guys will have a DJ. But he'll do myself. We were talking about this. Me and him. Yeah.

I was so, like, blown away. He's like, I thought they had DJ. Let me do it. I'm like, let Remo do it. Yeah, that's time we've done shows. I'm like, yo, mixes of even. Everything's good. He's going to make it right.

Every show again? Wow. The speakers? Uh, somehow. They got a bump. They got a Hindu sound check. I don't care. Even if I don't get to eat, get to eat, sleep.

I'm starving. I'm not about to take a nap. I will not miss sounds shit. They produce. I don't want to sell. I'm going to be right. Because a lot of festivals, you got to just plug in,

do my mind check. I'm like, yo, it's got a bang. And I'm going to deliver what you paid to get to get. What you paid for, you're going to pay to get me again.

And you want your beat to be heard right. So you don't know, never saying like your assistant or nobody, you guys. He was said, we'll check it again before we start tonight. Wow. But other than that,

Nah, I gotta be there. I want to even see what the room looks like, so I already have a picture of what I'm stepping into when the crowd is here. Right. But you got to let a man do what he got to do it. If you want to do it, he wanted to do it. Yeah.

Pete, I'm not being like, I see you told me. I see if Primo didn't yeah, oh, he was like, yo, he said, he said you would just stay there. I would. I would do. DJ.

No, he was, he was hit. He was spinning the rest of the time. You know what that is? That's just the love of hip-hop. He's about to open up for himself. He wouldn't, yeah, he wouldn't. Dude, he would have done another hour, and we'd be like, yo, Pete, come on. And it's not even a bad thing.

It's like, yo, Pete, come on. We've been on the road where I'll get mad and not in a bad way. He's like, Pete, we got to go. Yo, I'm at the record store. He forgot. We were here. We went in Tokyo one time, and we're about to miss our plane. And he goes, I'm, I got to get this record.

We're like, no, I'm not missing my plane for you, especially on the day you're finally going home. You know, the day you're going home, you're just so ready to go back home. And we've been out for like a week in another country. And he's like, yo, I got to get this record. I'm like, dogs, if we do not make this playing because of you, we're going to. And that's actually how the whole P. Rock versus Premier thing started because of that day. We got on the bus.

I said, you know what? Man, we need to make an album where we get our attention now to make an album going at each other, making an ill. Wait, see you all doing the album? We're going to do an album called. PVP. P versus Premier. God damn.

The hats are available. That's the record. That record. Are we doing that? You can buy the hats right now. Send me that record. I'm doing it. Come on do.

Yeah, I have a website that carries the hats. What's on that? Wait, say the website again. Premier washere.com. Go ahead. P.g.com.

Yep. And just go to the shop section. Oh, I didn't mix that at all. It has all official. That was not good. He has all official gangster products. All official guru products.

All official Premier products. Ami and Pete shared the hats. And we have green, red, blue, black, green, black, black, black, black, and black, so what happened when y'all saw this battle? Individually. In Japan. Because that's where it started.

That's where it really. No, no, I'm talking about when y'all saw the Just Blaze and Swiss Battle. Honestly. Everybody was acting like that was the first battle. You know what? Because we've been doing it so much. Right. It was more like, all right, cool.

And this ain't their first battle together. They've done it before. No, no, not with us. No, this is their first one. It started on drink. It started from Trey Al-a-Oz-Canya. It started in drink chance

because they didn't do it. It's different from ours, though. Right. No, y'all's is like, y'all's is like, migrating the culture. And the next day they started posting that, me and you need to, I'm like, we've been doing it.

You've been doing it. It's like, y'all missed the fucking ride. I know my hip-hop a story, and I know. Yeah. But what did you, what was your first thing when you heard that they battle? And it got...

Swiss, I have the phone. Yeah. Where's my phone at? I'll show you. So it's text you to come? Yes. You did? Yo, Key.

We believe you three. Actually, while we waiting, I forgot. I got, we got it. We got gifts. We got gifts for y'all, man. Drink to him. Take up to 89, close in to. I remember when you did the remix to...

There he goes again. See, I'll hold it. So how hold is in now? It's me? God, I don't know. Give it to me. All. But it's from the perspective of what we think is hot.

And I remember when you did the remix to, uh, uh, those he called and I ain't picking up. And those key, you did it with, uh, what's name, City Boy D? Yep. Look at Bremont. He knows. This thing got hell of them. You did a version.

Hit that, Brimok. You got to stop. That's a little turn, right. Oh, gee. This got to that one. There you go. Pass it to me now. Yes, yes, yes.

Seems so I see him. Yeah. I play I said Diego I play your version more than Fabs shout to FAB

FAB FAB is a dope lyricist and knows how to do club records radio records and still have a really clever way

of writing his rhymes I love Fav I'm a big fan of his but you too your version fit more of the format of what I represent

God damn Big me up the most grimyest and money as you're like you said you're a clean You can't choose, no high heels. I don't like this.

Your version was the one I played. So we're on every Friday night from 10 pium to midnight on Sirius XM, satellite radio, Channel 44, Hip-Upon Nation. And what I represent is the era of the 80s with Marley Marr, Red Alert,

Chuck Chillout, also to... Magic. Just in the 2000 era or whatever year we're in, I still can't. Keep it to that. And there's so many artists that have hot stuff out that will never get played anywhere else. So I'm like, I'll play it.

Send it to me. If I like it and it's on that level, it's going to get broken. And that way, not only do you trust me, you also start to focus on, you know what? If he's playing it, it's got to be real. Right. And that's really what it is. So all of that true is that. But now the Just Blaze Swiss Beast battle.

So it happens, right? I'm on my way to the show. I'm on my way to the show. And Swiss is texting me saying, yo, I'd like you to come check this out. But my show's off from 10 to midnight. They're starting at 10 o'clock. He's like, yo, man, I really like,

and I would have gone. Definitely. I definitely would have gone. But I'm not abandoning my show because, again, it's live. It's not pre-recorded. Cool. Live is a whole different animal.

Live is when you have, when I scripted, nothing. We just roll. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And when it comes, to the how we do it, everything

just flows from minute to minute, second to second, beat to beat, voice to voice on just the realness of hip hop from my perspective. So when it came to Swiss beats and Just Blaze doing the show, as soon as I got off the air,

I checked my Instagram and saw they were live. I went to Swiss beats. I clicked on it. I went to see my man DJ Rectangle, who's one of the dovest battle DJs. Oh, yeah. Ever. He would make the scratch finals.

Yeah. I go to his show to watch him do a party gig, and I'm in there with my phone going. Uh-huh. Yeah, I was talking. Two in the morning. I'm like, it's still on from 10 o'clock to two. Yeah, from 10 to 2.

And I'm doing this. Looking at him a little bit. Q-tip call me. And they switch it over, now I just got the beat. Yeah, that was so hip. I'm doing that. That was so hit. Q-tip called you.

And you'll tune in at 10 o'clock. And the guy's going, what are you doing? What are you doing? I said, yo, just blazing them still battling. It's almost two in the morning. And I'm sitting there doing this in a corner in the club where it looks like, I'm like a sore thumb, but I'm like, no, I'm watching this and check it out. Because I want to see what they're doing to battle because they started pulling out beats at no one's time.

They went in. So that's what I'm like, man. Supreme, were you still a fan of the culture like that? I will remain. Because you know why? I guess being from Texas, I wanted this to be acceptable. about New York because at the time I came If New York didn't accept you

It didn't matter where you were from In that time, yeah I got that acceptance from the greats I wanted EPMD to love me I wanted Big Daddy Kane to love me Rock Kim KRS 1 I wanted Grandmaster Flash

Molly Moore all these motherfuckers better be on there You got that and Marrador Same as me DJ DJ DJ. You became you then. Jazzy Jeff Cash money, DJ Scratch and I just want Howie tea

I give me a blunt you ain't smoking yeah I saw he smoked though I did earlier no let's just say he's not smoking early earlier that's not too early that was recent

yeah it was definitely five minutes I told you 50 years old your mind stay sharp yeah you're sharp you're sharp you're sharp you're not a week

because it got me there's not a drug there's not a look at this this is when you know you're on point never has any drug that I've ever used defeated me.

And now, at 50, I'm on my level. You gotta take a Molly, though. Let's take a Molly. No, this guy. That was Junior High. Yo, stop it, buddy. Dude, that was Junior High. Oh, you hit a Molly?

This guy. What's next? heroin? No, no, no, no, no. That was 81 when it was called Black Molly and there was the only. Oh, my God. There's a Black Molly? What the fuck?

Cut it in half. Put us on. What is this? What is it? He wants to. I would like a black molly I was like a black molly I was like that stuff now

is just all that's not The business is mumble jumble jumble stuff now You know what I'm saying So like I said This is my high school days So my high school days I graduated in high school in 84 Okay

So imagine our era of Of getting lifted And you're looking good And we're gonna respect you I just started training again Shout to Vic Black I'm getting my You know I love food man

I love I love ice cream No I love Hersey's chocolate The syrup. Shots all of that. It's the first time ice cream got shot it out on the podcast. Wait, that's all. And that's right. When you go to a Baskin-Rogers.

When you go to a basketball, you get three scoops in a cup, it ain't official to you take the hersey syrup. And gals, you can't get into it. Shut up to the Hershey syrup. When you make a wool, you don't want to see no green. But you know the green is in the blunt. That's how you do it. Let's go pretty well. That's the level that we come.

We just went from ice cream to drugs. I don't want them to dirty. I don't want no dirty. So to make it this far. The only thing I listen to Nancy Reagan is. Tell them free. And that we've lost to all different things from being shot, being the bad disease, eating bad, the health, all that stuff.

It let me know I'm here for a reason. Love your life and fix your life to be able to have a longer life. My parents are 88. Let's make some noise for that. My parents are 88. My mom's 88. They got issues, but they should. still kicking. My father makes all the food.

He's like, get away. Stay out of my kitchen. Let me stay and get out of my way. He ain't doing that. But I guarantee they never did the Black Molly. You don't know that. Just put this way. He won't admit it. Where's the Black Molly? I'm in.

When I was in high school, when I was in high school, you had Black Mollies? Yes. 10th grade, 10th grade, I was 16. You got me and talking about Black Mollies. When I was 16, it was only 16. It was only one ecstasy. Only one.

Wait, wait, wait, what year is this? 19802. 82 that was already ecstasy? Oh, okay. 82. How are you? I'm 41. Oh, damn.

Wait, they had ecstasy in 82. What the fuck? Exist. A white beard game, but chill out. Yeah. Nobody cool over here, bro. No, why is that a surprise? Yo, dude, it was only, it was only,

only one ecstasy was the color this wood right this wood yeah it was it was called ecstasy yes but that shit wasn't pop until the night you weren't around during that time no this no I know I was talking about you said you

I'm 10 years older than you yeah so you gotta relax I graduated high school in 84 so I graduated 81 93 I graduated 93 listen there was One style of XC.

One style of Mali. That was it. There wasn't all 20 and 10. There was all those pills on our name. There wasn't Billy Bear and cherry juice and all these funny names. And you smoke cocaine as well. Smoking cocaine was more of a... Smoking cocaine.

It's called Kooli. It's called Krak. A wool. No, a wool is crack and weed. Oh, so a Kooli is coke and a cigarette. And I don't care how you smoke. It's crack. Damn.

It's crack. Yeah, yeah. I was doing in 77. It's all good. Seventy-seven the blackout. I was there. I was there. I do remember the blackout.

He was at your birth in my mind. But I was there staying with my grandfather. My wife got to relax. Turn on here, bring her, buddy. My wife got out of that. During those days, it was only one of each time. That's why when I see what's going on now, it's like, damn, man, these people are so lost because there's all kinds of weird shit floating out.

I don't want to be around. None of that. You know, we're around the pure. And again, that's kind of like the hippie, 70s, hallucinogens. It was a ton. But those beats you was making. The barbitia, what are they called?

You can't give the drugs a little bit of props? Give the drugs. We did that. We did that at the beginning. No. You're the only guy that gets drugs. Make some noise for drugs? I just feel like you've got to make noise for drugs.

No, no, no, no, no, no drugs. Sorry. Now make me say noise for drugs. Say no the drugs. Say no the drugs. But again, I'm glad that I made it. It's better enough we drink. I'm glad that I understand the concept of that era.

Because understanding. and understanding where your cutoff point is, you don't need no rehab. You rehab yourself with your mind. That's right. I always said that. Yeah, you need to have control of yourself. Yeah, 100%.

I know when the substance can't control you. I know when to tell myself that's too much. Go back to normal. And then that's how people can wonder about you. But they can't say, yo, my man is lost. He's gone. You can never say I'm gone. I'm always here.

Let's make some noise for that. Now, Pete, you've reached a little bit. He was recently beating with one of these young babies. What young nigga he was beefing with? Hey, listen, man. Who would you be able with? I was a little Yadi? From Yadi, young dog, you know.

You don't even know who he was being. I mean, all of us from ours time. What happened? We all dissatisfied with the ride. What happened? You ain't you dissatisfied with the movie? No, he's not. He's not.

He's not. I'll say this. We had a, we had a retargetment the other day. I had a little, listen, I had a little oozyver situation. Oh, that was you. Yeah. It wasn't a cipher? But I wasn't offended by that.

Why would I be offended to that he don't want to rap to that? If that's not what he want to wrap to that, that's not what he wants to? What beat was it? Mass-ofil. That's not really a beat you freestyle. No, it doesn't make sense for him. It don't make sense for him. I don't make sense for him.

I have other gangstar beats you can rap to for freestyle. Wait, time out. It wasn't Mass-a-pill. It was. It was. It was Mass-O-Mess-Mare. It was. It was Mass-Mory.

I saw it, too. And what happened? I saw it, too. And what happened? Let's describe. Because I'm not rapping to that. And he said why he's not rapping to that. So listen.

He still would have done. Twitter started blowing up on my Twitter. Started getting out of hand, everybody dissing them. Then he joins him. So I watch and see what he says. So I checked his traffic. Because I got to make sure I'm on point. Before I do anything, you always got to stay focused on being on point.

I know who I am. I don't never want to be looked at as a person I got played ever. And I'm not going to be looked that way. Absolutely. So when I check the three. I was like, yo, yeah, because it's getting out of hand. My fans are going hard on him. Like, yo, you know, they're doing the, with this.

Yes. They want to kill him. Yeah. So I'm like, yo. Throw it out there. I'm like, listen. Big up to him, man. He ain't got around to that.

If he don't like that, he doesn't like that. That's what I put. That's real. Let him wrap up to what he feels like is comfortable. So that made him join in. He said, yo, DM me. We damned each other. He said, listen, man, anything.

I can learn from you, put me on and give me to them. That's real as fuck. That's real as fuck. I say, you know what? We didn't know that. I said, I'm down to do a joint with you. My fans may get mad, but the only thing is... No, you're helping the community.

The difference is. Same thing with you. I'm not going to make a record that I can't let leave the studio to me and him on the same level where it's like, yo, wait today. You got to... You're not going to compromise yourself. You're going to work. No, no, but that's the thing about...

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. When you work... work with cream or you work with Pete these brothers are so professional all you got to do is send the vocals and then relax.

Like I said he told me skills that I turn into my own skill, it's not biting him, but he's like, you know, this is how you do it. I was like, oh, when you did remember when you did this, I was like, yo, but I was like, how are you making the... I was like, how are you making the bass

get fuller and mimic the sample? He said, the same sample, but I filter it. I'm like, but how do you do that? He says, come over, I'll show you, but don't show nobody. He shows me, I'm like, so you turn it to that. Same thing we have,

but I never knew that part of the equipment. He said, turned it to that. I started doing it. Ex-girl to next girl. That's one of my favorite joints. Right when you're going to it are, right? That's what my favorite joints. It's going to it. Right, right? It reminds me of all my relationships.

So when it goes in that part, where does it go? It muffled. I sent it to Pete to make sure I was doing it right. I love my wife. I'm sorry. I believe in myself and all that stuff, but I wanted to make sure I was doing it right. So I sent it to him for approval. And I go, yo, did I do it right?

He goes, oh, that's going to be a hit. It was a hit. Big hit. So. You got a pee-pee? That right there shows you that the respect for what he was doing before I even knew how he was doing it, he was willing to show me the trick because he knew. He didn't take it like, oh, no, you wouldn't beat my pipe my pipe my style.

Nah, but look at the suit. Let me borrow that tool. And then when I applied that tool, it wasn't a bite. It's just another extension of what he taught me. That's why Ham-Lar's professor and showbiz are my three mentors. And again, Marley Marl didn't show me anything in person. Right. But just what he did.

Make the music with your mouth, biz. Nobody beats the biz. Road to the Ritches. A lot of people in the circle have said they've been. giving them the, I gave him that record. That's all good. He did the, uh, ah,

that's what it's all about. Who made it bounce that way? Who made your echo sound that way? Who made your voice sound funky that way? Molly did it. And that's all that matters to me. Right. Because that's what makes me be premiered

in order to stay doing it the way I do it for the rest of my life and in my passing. it's because of how I study a great one. So whatever you brought to him is what you brought to him. He still made it glow. The guru used to always say that. You and Eddie Sancho make everything glow. He said, I just lay my part down, but you make it light up.

Molly makes things light up. So no matter what you bring him or you gave him everything, he made it light up. But without the light, there's darkness. I want to be in light. What do you all think about, like, the separation of sampling and hip-hop to now? I mean, does it matter? We understand the rules and the sample laws.

I mean, I understand the sampling and financially, but it takes away the soul. Me personally, I think sometimes it does. You just get iller with your sample. Yeah. What, and cutting it? So nobody knows what it is. And if it's bad and out. But you're still sampling.

You might go back, bam, bam. And just get that same. But you're still sampling. Yeah. Or follow a Jay Dillard blueprint. Which is what? Which is, yeah. The chops.

Oh, I mean, we're lost. because we're not for records in little, little pieces. Oh. Like a lot of the record. We know now the safety zone versus, and then if it's a point where we got to do it and it's really that important, clear it.

Clear it. I clear stuff now. I got mad clearances now. No, we got no money. We can't clear anything. You know. You're in trouble. Like I said, he taught me scratch hooks.

If you just listen to a lot of my joints, it's just me squads. Your scratches. Your scratches are crazy. Because you were doing radio already with Molly Maugh. I'm like, damn, this new guy, Pete Brock, he's nasty

because Molly had a certain scratch style. I want to show this out there. Kind of a foul, nigga, I'm going to smoke a camel crush. Smoking. In our face. Smoke your face. In our face. We're going to die because of him right now.

This is, this is, just give us cancer. White people meant off. Okay. Went thaw. White people like, lucky strags. You got to. You gotta fuck with the white When you leaving

I'm gonna put a bathroom Alright you good You know Palamus is a white A white person Is a sorry When we did the record The record that we did together

I say I think that I Was the first person To ask you to cut up Guru's vocals You sent me everything Right Was I was the first person to do that

Or no No Because Jay Z So Jay Z did it No no But after his death That's what I'm saying Yeah

Yeah Okay, I don't know. And you sent me everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he had hosted Mad Mix-Tates from me. Yeah, Kay Slate. And I was honored. Yeah, yeah, had Kay Slay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, had Kay Slade. Yeah, I know. DJ EFN was guru. DJ was Kay Slay. Damn, your memory really is impeccable. Oh, that is shit. I have nothing against him. I think DJs have ill memories.

Yeah, we have some memories. But now, I apologize for actually. No apology you needed, nor are you. You go. There's no apology needed when you have this. So you can't get this. Apologies? Apologies don't get you.

Only sold one million records. So you have 20, you niggas better stop. Listen, God. Jesus. But I. But Google passes away. Goal, Marco, Marco. Goal passes away.

Yeah. What's this man? I forgot his name. You got to say. I can't say it. No, no, no, not. Not even with the G. Oh, suck, suck.

Yeah. Holy shit. I don't know what's going on right now. Can you help me out? He don't deserve, he don't deserve to be said from my mouth. It's not a good person? Yeah. I ain't going to say it either.

Oh, Dolor. Solar. In France. No, no, that's two different ones. MC Solar is not the same one? S-O-L-A-R. So it's another Solar? He's from France.

He's dope. That's my dude. Right. So there's another solar together. Of course. All right. So, we got to clarify. that. He's the original. So, so sorry

I'm so sorry to ask you this. As long as you say it is. But Solar makes these claims and then what is for me as standing on these claims? Oh, like ownership and all the type of stuff? Yeah. I'll put it to you like this. People can

say what they want to say and all that type of stuff. That's all cool because I don't have nothing to say when it comes to that. Right. But if old boy does anything, then I'm going to have a lot to It's a problem. Simple and playing. That's my Belichick moment.

I heard you. That was Bill Belichick moment. Is the anything you done? We love you. Yeah, we love you back. We love you and everything you meant to hip-hop. And then, you know, it was a funny moment. Well, I don't know everything I mean to hip-hop, because I'm still in.

No, everything you mean to hip-hop. I apologize. Everything you mean to hip-hop. And, you know, it was a funny moment for us in hip-hop when we got to hear, like, you You know, that's like, yo, gangst, oh, and, you know, britt a room, and then this guy, we never, because we, it's similar to how Punt. Like, when Pund died, I walked to his casket, and they told me, I said, all the jewels. Yes, yes he did. Because I thought the casket, most funeral homes, the casket's at the front.

Yep. His was in the middle of the floor. So when I walk in, it's like, oh, he's right there. Yeah, he's right there. And the casket was, I've never seen the casket. this. Okay. I never seen see the castles like this. The casket was short and super

duper wide and he had all his T.S. chains around his hands and it looked like he was kissing the sky because the lips were puckered up like and that's my point. My point to bring it this up was when I went to Punt's Casket, people

told me that Pund suffered. There's something to Pond suffered. And that now he's in a better place. And I didn't know what people Mitt by that. So when I heard, you know, Google Pass. Yeah. And I've never, I've never seen Google

suffer. Nah. Me neither. Okay. So everything was just a strange to not just me, everybody and I, not the fans who we are massive. It's strange to everybody. It's strange to me. It's strange to the

fans because old boy don't know my man like I know my man. We know him. Well, yes, yes. If I really wanted to grade dude on a five quiz questionnaire, I guarantee you to fail every answer. Simple and plain, because you had to really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, so you will fail. I can watch you right now and make every little, simple questions.

Not hard ones. Simple questions. He's going to fail, and it's going to also be multiple choice. A, B, C, or D, I'm not going to pick the right answer. And I know this because I know this, and I know him. I know both of them. So that's why I don't entertain him because anytime he wants to ever go there, I'm here. I mean, if I'm not here, I'm here.

You feel me? Damn, thank you very much. And that's why I'm not giving gay-style motherfuckers right now. I'm not saying I will not say his name. It's not worthy of it. Thank you. Because hip hop needed to hear that. Hip hop really needed to hear that.

How can we make them do that? When things is the right move, I know what it is. I got the right people around me. From legal to my management, to my artist, for me even being in the street. I have a street mentality that keeps me grounded. And I have a dope mom and dad and sisters and niece and nephew. Like a five-year-old son,

who's my daughter. Shout to his mother. She's on point. Everybody. Like, we're that connected on making sure we don't ever fuck up with the social media stuff making us look like we're fools. I ain't going out like that.

I'm Premier. Yes, sir. That you motherfucker. DJ Premier Pete Ross. In this motherfucker, yeah. Listen, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. But me and this guy to the right of me started this.

We sat down and we said we want to only give love to the left. legends. Yeah, no doubt. The legends are hip-hop. Y'all agree. And you guys are the impetus of legend. Oh, this is the pinnacle.

And I can't thank you enough. Like, you know, both of you guys that gave me beats. And I think of crazy about this situation. The thing about it is, I still can't. I still owe you. Yeah, we're here. We're here. I still owe you both.

No doubt. Because I love you. No, you don't. Nah, I love you. guys because I'm definitely over you I was I'm starving I'm starving to give you a song

but that beat tonight please give me that oh that's crazy oh man yo my dude I was got the P-Roy you got a mic you got a mic he'll give you the mic

because I'm more Pete than no so you still got it so he's about to open up the club no for your album Pete Premier, if it wasn't for you guys I probably wouldn't have a childhood No doubt. And this is real shit

Appreciate that man. And that's real shit. I really love you guys. You gave those joints that we love No, but I wanted to just... Dude, the first time I heard Buh, da... This is okay, it's okay. Look, it's in my ankle. I don't get a lot. I don't give a fuck. Swiss

Not only killed that, everybody on that song destroyed it. And dude, you had to wait wanted to do a posse cut. You know what happened? I wanted to do a posse cut. Nature body that open. Whoever goes first.

Whoever goes first to me and whoever goes last has the most pressure. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went last. That was that era. Because right now, listen, right now, we do a feature record. After pun? No, it was nature pun, Cam, lots, and then I'm the last. You can what what all you want to.

And that's what I wanted to do. You all do. But you know what? my whole life, my whole career it makes sense. I have a question. If it wasn't for you. I have a question. That's why I'll never do a song with you. Was that directed anybody or is that just, hey, you're talking about somebody, bro.

No, I'm so petty. I'm so petty. He's super petty. I know he was talking about somebody. Was it directed somebody or is, because you know it can also be universal just to anybody. No, no, he's talking about somebody. I know this guy.

I always thought today one. Like, you know, that's why I'm not doing a song. It was like Joseph on the block. Yes. It's very true. Because the thing about it is this I'm very petty For me, I'm sorry

Sometimes you gotta be Pete, Pete, I'm very pretty Pete. So I don't give a fuck If you're trying to come up And you take a slight shot at me I'm coming to fuck at you I'm bodying you on the record

Which is very hip-hop. It just might go black Right, but that's what I That's who I am. When I met him, this is how he looked at me. He had all these twists in his head. He had a headband on. He's at the front door. Yo, we got a session up at D&D.

Yo, for me, I love your stuff. Yo, Jose Luis. How you doing? He's like, yeah, Jose Luis. Please. Please. But the fact that out of the L.A. It was a pull-off.

L.A. was really bumping with a lot of DJ at that time. It was early. Right. So we don't really know who he is yet. Right. We just know Jose Luis. Gotcha.

And then rap, that's in the rap. That was a joy. Like, even that rock amorow. Like, not emeralds, immoral. That's the right level of L.A. We were just going to be.

And again, that's my first meeting in him. Not Jose Luis, I think of Norega, he goes, Jose Luis. Like, like, don't forget. That little dip is the reason why you got to remember.

And I chip on that shoulder right there. But the song was already out where it's like, that's the dude that did that first. And that's the, verse that made DJ's dog. Jose Luis, Josh, Jose Luis,

I can't believe. I got, I got Permian. Permit. He just did a beat for you right now. Yeah, yes, yes. Let me tell you something. You know what?

We got to do something where we make a beat together, which we've never done. Together. We start things at Dream Chats. I didn't start that right now. Because you know, you know, you know,

I don't know if you know. You know. I don't know if you know. I don't know if you know. But wherever a state you are, I'll fly there. Like, it's a fact. And I would just love. Thank you for lay some black poets out of the black print.

Oh, thank. No, no problem. And so survived. No problem. You body that verse. But this is the reason why you're so much of important producer. You can go and you can work with Christina Aguilera. And then you can turn around and you still care about black poets.

Listen, I love music. I love music. Listen, I love music. I get to consider a little bit of a man. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm,

this what it is. This is what it is. I got it. I got it. I got it. I'm in Maui. I like messing with all styles of music

because I am into country. Blues, gospel, rock, probably from Houston. Yeah. Prairie View is the town.

Did you ever drink Gleens? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to DJ Screw, by the way. DJ Screw. Let's talk about your lean story. But the lean story.

But the lean story. But the leanster, but even that. that's when it was like now it's an epidemic it wasn't an epidemic then and it was something that you just did every occasion

like going out to a bar and having a drink every day I don't drink every day I got work to do I got business and I got to stay focused I'm a five-year-old son I'm focused but you're all right at 50 look at you still fucking I was like no question

respect this makes a noise for me still fucking to open the car yeah right finish your story So, I mean, a lot of the things, again, that are just out of control are just way publicized or promoted on a higher pedestal. I already did all that stuff. It's about living past that and being able to still function on what the matters that keep you in the longevity bucket.

I want to be in the longevity bucket. I don't want to be in the eye. You had your time bucket. Right. My bucket, I want to go all the way. Again, when I'm gone, it's still hot. Gangstar's still hot. I keep Gangstar still hot because I care about not just his legacy and our legacy as a team,

but his son, he has a 16-year-old son. I'm making sure his son's eating. I'm making sure his son getting everything that his father's half. My model is this. I can sleep at night. That's my mom. That's the most important thing. Sleeping at night?

I can sleep in night. A lot of people, you can go to sleep. People don't understand that. Yeah. If you have nightmares, don't know. I have nightmares like anybody else. But my nightmares are clear from how I analyze what I woke up to. How you handle your business?

Yeah. You can sleep at night. We love you, man. My mind's strong, man. So, there is. I'm going to end this podcast, but I can't thank you brothers enough. Thanks for having no doubt. For helping me.

Thank you. Both will you both help me personally because, My career can't be complete. I could never complete my career without having a beat rock beat. Without having a premiere beat. Appreciate you, bro. Hip hop is what I want to continue to represent. I want to continue to stand by.

I can't believe 25 million. And I fucking hate this guy right here. Why you hate me, bro? Because you knew you had a 25 million blackie. You should have told me on Wednesday. No. God do you deserve. I'm a good friend.

You deserve a surprise. I fucking want a surprise. You deserve a surprise. I love you. You deserve a surprise. In case you don't know that. Yeah. I love you.

You have in a moment right now? Yes, I'm having a moment. I love you, DJ Q-T. I love you, Pete Ryan. I can't believe. Hip-hop. Just remember, it's like you ask. Yes.

Everything I do outside of hip-hop. Right. When I do hip-hop, I keep it hood. Keep it hood. Everything else, I can do ballads, slow songs, pop songs. Doesn't matter because I like that music, too. Yes, you do. But hip-hop, I keep it hood.

Yes. Keep it hood. Because that's the way I like to listen to listen to. it when I buy it, drive to it or have my radio. Yeah. It's either my radio or this. You guys are the bedrock. Please. Listen, if it wasn't

for you two brothers, I wouldn't have a childhood. Thank you. That's well-deserved what you got right. Thank you. It's better than anything you could say about it. That's beyond rap. This is a podcast. They should make it platinum, though. Why do you make it gold? No, that's a fuck-down.

It was like 25 million. It's not 25. That's true. $500. You know what? You're right. He went on that. No, man.

He was there. To be. He actually is right. It should be. It should be. I'm just happy to be here right now. I'm just happy to be here, man. And listen.

Give thanks, man. Give thanks. Two of the best producers of all times have just now sat down. Absolutely all time. With drink champs. And Jim Bean. Jim Bean. Man, you're big enough Jim Bean.

Yeah. Sponsing for me, please. Cut the check. And you don't have a one more shot? Yeah, well, shit. I'm going to do a shot. Because at the end of the day, and we're going to sit there and watching the battle. Thank you to give a bag.

Because when I seen the battle and when I think that this, they said this is the first time. Excuse me. Shish kebabs. They say, this ain't nothing. This ain't nothing. No, my brother. Yeah, I definitely not going to have a shot like that. All right, man.

Careful. Well, when they said that this is the first time, uh, reduces his battle. No shot for you. I felt terrible. I felt terrible. They said this is the first time the producer's first battle. And I knew that y'all guys have done this.

I knew that Just Blaz had done it with Alchemists before. And so I wanted to actually big you brothers up. God bless you, bro. Because I understand what it is. But I also understand that Swiss also knows. Oh, no. He's a student in the game. He's a student of the game.

Because he never said that. He's like good. He's never sick of. Pick it up, pick it up. I love you brothers. Pete Rock. If you motherfuckers can't, if you motherfuckers gould don't work, you need to relax.

See me right. Because these are the two of us, the best producers of all fucking time. The peep deuses of all. Last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people because of what happened in Alabama? The Montgomery Braw.

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