Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Duck Down | (Ep.67)

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary Duck Down!Legendary Brooklyn vibes come to the table as the Champs pour up with Duck Down Records heavyweights — including Smif-n-Wessun, DJ Evil Dee, Dru Ha, and Bernadette Price (the wife of the late Sean Price) in a deep, uncorked conversation that’s as rich as the legacy they’ve built.They dive into the origins of Duck Down, from its gritty beginnings in ’90s hip hop to the rise of Smif-n-Wessun, the influence of Black Moon, and the birth of the Boot Camp Clik crew. Stories abound about life in Brooklyn, grinding in the underground, and the tight bonds that shaped a generation of bars and beats.The champs also honor the life and impact of Sean Price, sharing heartfelt moments and real talk that goes beyond just rap anecdotes. Throw in a surprise birthday shout-in from Capone and an incoming call from Buckshot, and you’ve got a classic episode that blends culture, history, laughter, and respect. Count on raw memories, legendary tales, and that unmistakable Drink Champs energy that keeps hip hop heads coming back for more.Make some noise for Duck Downe!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on March 3rd, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We said we hope it's South Korea. This is your boy, N-O-R-E. What up is DJEFN. And this is an entertainment crazy podcast slash drink chats. Make some love! And right now, I would like to introduce what I'm about to introduce. And before I introduced them, I would like to say that when I hear the best labels of all times, when I hear the best crew, of all times. And when I hear the

best, anything of all times and these people don't involve these people that are scared with us right now, it actually makes me mad because ducked down has been here just as long as bad boy. Duckdown has been here just as long as death row. Duck down in certain instances

has outlasted death row and bad boy. Absolutely. But a lot of people don't just say that. A lot of people don't just give them props. Like we're not just seeing the emergence of young M.A. And a lot of people didn't know that they, she was ducked down affiliated.

I realized that a lot of people just don't understand the genius of Buckshot, Evil D, and Drew Ha. And a joy badass. Y'all has something to do with Joy Badass a little bit. Well, relax. You don't say nothing. Relax.

You and Charlie. I'm going to, I'm going to, you got to get you. You and Charlie. You have fast-forward in my head. You got to be fast-froding me. You got to relax. We're 50-50, bro. This is an intro.

Go, go with your intro. How you don't? Relax. Somebody farting in your pillow. So. Damn. Who said somebody farted in your pillow? Yeah, you see a pink out?

No, I didn't catch that. I know you got to have pink out a lot, too. You got to relax. You got to relax. Most of my faith partners, this is got to relax. All right? So we got the most luxurious. The label that stuck together, y'all had problems,

but y'all stuck together at the end. And tonight, We are going to big this up. We are not, and we should introduce our guests, or let our guests introduce their self. First, we're going to start with the white man. Who ran a marathon. Yes, Drew High, up in here.

Let's make you know that. Tech, Smith & Weston. Let's make your lawyer for tech. Yeah, General Steele, Smith & Wesson. Let's make your love to tell. DJ Evoud. Bernadette Price, Sean Price, White. You start as the last.

Last year be first, so I'm going to start with you. Okay. And I'm going to say, When you heard that Sean Price was wet ducked down, what was your first initial reaction? I was like, wow, are you sure you want to do this? All right, cool. I don't know if that was good or bad. It was good, actually, because I know him since I was 13.

So he, yeah, Sean. Right. So, you know, he would, you know, say his little raps and be like, oh, is you still going to be around and listen? And I'd be like, yeah, where I'm going? You don't want to go in somewhere. You know what I mean? And he'd be like, nah, I'm going to do this. And he would rap to me.

And I'd be like, you're pretty good. You should, you know what I mean? Pretty good. You're too good. You're a little good. And basically, you know, the start of the end. So what's the show him price you like more when he was in a group or when he was. When he went solo.

I ain't gonna lie, me too. Because I felt like, I felt like, I felt like, I felt like, I don't, I don't feel like, I feel like as, as a, a fan, I felt like he felt like he was held back in a certain way. So everything he did as a solo artist was like rebellious. It was rebellious in the most, like, respectful, disrespectful way. I agree. You agree? You know, when you're in a group, there's...

That's right. It's got a Brooklyn niggas in here. Ways you carry yourself. You know, you're carrying your team. You know, and then when you become a solo artist, it's just like, fuck that's me. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to worry about, you know,

exposing anything or whatever the case is because it's you. So, you know, I'm... Queen's birthday Happy birthday It was Ruck Ruck is different from Sean Price

Mm Well said So deep So deep I know I ain't go front I didn't ever looked at that

Like that No No I did It's difference from Yeah I did I did

So now I want to take it To beginning Of duck down Drew how Buckshot came to you Or you

came to Buckshot? How does this, how does this conversation start? I was working, I was an intern at an independent label, Nervous Records. Nervous, I don't remember that. And Buck... Oh, they started nervous own, dug down. I was wrong. No, they definitely on us. Okay. They owned us for a minute.

They did help. No, I'm saying in the way they didn't literally on this, but they had us in the situation for a minute. But yeah, Buck Buck was a newly signed artist, Chuck Chill Out, brought him to the label. To nervous. To nervous. Okay. And, um, I

I literally was like I was right out of college. It was a small independent label, like three, four people up there. And I just started doing a little bit of everything. And Buck would come up to the label every day. He would like literally come in to try to, you know, see how he was going to advance his career up at NER. He was putting the pressure on the label. And E and Five would be there. But Buck was there pretty much like a few times a week.

And we just developed a friendship. I was an aspiring rapper, right? So. Wait, wait, wait. What was your rap? What was your rap? Why only was I a rapper? I need a verse.

You know, I didn't get a rap. I mean, I'm glad to. You got a verse. You could go look it up on a song called you. No, we don't need to look it up. Stop in the bench rap just that. I have a song on the Black Moon album on Into the Stage called You the Man with Mab D, Smith & Weston, and Black Moon. So you can, it's the ill Caucasian.

I listen to that album. Back and fall. Check the invasion. All right. So look, I never knew you were saying, You can kick this verse. You can kick your verse. Like you said, the end of the show the verse.

Who's Chuck Chilow? No, I know who's Chuck Chilat, but for the people that don't know. Chuck Chilat was a classic DJ. Still is a classic DJ. Even at the time, he was an influential DJ on, I think it was 1 of 7.5. He's on BLS. On BLS. On BLS.

Chuck Chilat is a round of applause. That's right That's right Anyway long short I quickly learned my calling Wasn't to be an emcee You know being around professionals You know being around certain hours

We could joke around about it But I often say like You know emceeing A lot of people like to do it It's like baseball in the way Like you can have a rec league You could play little league You could play in high school

But that doesn't mean that you should be in the pros And being around professional emcees I learn quickly the difference of like what I was doing and what was being done. It just, for me, it didn't seem the route that I was going to go. So, so you started out trying to be an emcee? I was working. I had a job, but that was on the side.

And then, so what initially made you say, I'm going to get down with you buck to make this? Well, I mean, just the circumstances. Like, we would just, it wasn't like it was his grand plan. It was just more we were going through the motions. And it was, it was really when Buck, when Buckshot introduced me to these two right here. It was undeniable.

Because that was your first. artist that was that was the first time that we looked at it and said we could take another group and kind of do what we're doing with Black Moon a little bit and it wasn't even official right at that point it was more like filling in and doing certain things because Black Moon was because essentially it seemed like Black Moon was like the new Eric Vien Rock Kim because they had a DJ and then it had you know the artist Buck so actually it's two Buck and five FFT.

Yeah. Yeah. So where's he at? Five is chilling. He's home. Okay. Okay. So, so,

so, let's describe your story. Oh, man, listen. The Black Moon story? Yeah. All right. Well, first of all,

Beat Miners started the day I was born. Because that's my, that's my brother, Mr. Walker. Oh. You know, that's my older brother.

And I kind of got into what I'm doing, what I, you know, Are we, are we, no, we don't gonna save it, you? No, pop that, pop it. Papa, let's all the roll right now. I thought we had to graduate today.

Wait, hold, yeah, we got to graduate, but I don't know why he's just, he knows we got to graduate. Come on, man, these guys look like they did. Open it, yeah, yeah, let me do continue. All right, so, you know, my brother, Mr. Walk, you know, I've seen him DJ. And, you know, it's like you see your big brother

do something, you get jealous. Right. That's how I got into music, because I was jealous because he's getting all of attention, and everybody was like, yo, yo, yo, your brother's nice. I'm like, no, I'm nicer than him. This is your literal big brother, though. Yeah, my big brother.

He's three years older than me. Right. Yeah, and he, you know, so everything he did, I did. My brother worked, he used to work at the music factory on Jamaica Ave, of course from the Coliseum. I knew that show, Mom. And everybody in Queens, everybody in hip-hop and Queens went in that store one time or another. Right. And he knew everybody.

Right. So when he started producing music. I started producing music. Right. I'm sorry to cut you off. But when was the time that you said, this is real? What, as of making records and everything? Yeah, like when was that moment that hit you and said, this is real?

Once we actually went into the studio. A studio before. We got the deal. You knew that you had a hit. Yeah, we got the deal. And, you know, we had a deal before, and it fell through. And we got the second deal, which was nervous records. And, you know, I still was like, yo, whatever, man.

I'm still going to hustle, sell these tapes, do these parties. I'm sorry, tell him out. The first drink you taking is Tiger Bone? No, I was drinking some of this. What is that? What is that? I don't even know what this is. I just would have liked it.

Now, I'm speaking. Please don't stop your train of thought. No, no, no. I'm in trouble. Am I in trouble with you? No, no, no, no. But Tiger Bone is a shirt. You're going to start with Tiger Ball.

We should all just be a tiger going at that. No, I'm not. If you're going to start with it, you're going to start with it? I had some of this. He started with the rose. Oh, and? Oh, man. You haven't finished your rolls because it's still in your hand.

And we're going to make this court? You're going to make this clear? She cannot drink tiger bomb. No. Don't worry. I'll be wrecking somebody cat because I got to bite. That's right. So I now need to understand.

Okay. Because you guys, you work that nerve. You worked that nerve. I'm intern. He was an intern. Buck is an artist, that nervous. You are the artist. The artist.

Yeah, because when Buck got signed, we all got signed. Right. Was it already Black Moon? The group was already Black Moon. Yeah, we was already Black Moon. We were nervous. All right.

And, you know, we grew up in nervous. Drew is in there holding it down. Right. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. But you're not from Brooklyn, so you don't know. No, I'm from White Planes. No.

But you know what it was? When we came into the label, it was a factor of, we came into the label there was catsman working. Just do that out there just now. Bushwick to white playing. I said it on the end of the stage.

You walked into your record label and you just look around and look at everybody and you just see that one person that you know, yo, that's my nigga right there. Drew was that dude. When we walked in,

we gave everybody, yo, what's up? And we seen Drew, it was like, yo what up, Drew, you good? Dida, do that? And what happened was, a situation happened. and Drew actually jumped in, he sprung into action.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? He went from being Drew to do it at the label to Drew of Duckdown without even knowing it. You know what I'm saying? And that's what happened. Like, yo, believe it or not, I literally put my head down. I looked up, Drew and Bucker like, yeah, duck down.

Wow. That's exactly how Duckdown happened to me. Let's make some voice for that. That sounds amazing to me. Now, Drew. That was always the name. Now, Drew, how did it happen to you? Because then I'm going straight to Smith & Western.

I mean, that was essentially it. It was like over time, they had the management. Some management situations were going on. We were acting and serving in that role. We started doing a lot over when who got the props came out. Who got the props? Start making the record. Start going on the road.

I'm going to drop. Evil D and Bucks. Right. Everybody does that. Hold on. Before y'all are you. 5FT. It's 5FT, Evil D, and Buck.

I never know what the fuck y'all would say Everybody does that You notice I skip it right on it You know it's 5 FTE EFT EFTA Now it makes sense Nothing I'm like Who got the proff

Who got at the proff? My man I'm sorry Buck you did upper rap I swear God Wow We're running around Buck is at this point

He's looking for a new management Right And so we're running around with doing a lot of things. I actually set up a whole bunch of meetings for Buck with different managers that I knew where I was coming across in. Like I wasn't even seeing myself in that role yet. I'm still young. I just didn't picture it like that.

We did a few meetings and Buck would come out. And at the end he said, you know what? And I give Buck all the credit because he said we could just do this ourselves. Like the way we're doing it right now, let's just keep doing it like this until, you know, we see if we need more help. So I didn't argue with that. And, you know, at that point, like, I. I said I was speaking on it earlier, but he introduced me to Smith & Weston. That's exactly where I was going. And that's

all it took. So now he's, that's what it was official to me. Let's do it ourselves. No, I, so after he said, let's do it ourselves, I said in my mind, well, this is at a time, right? Bad boy and you're starting to get a little bit of no limit. These things are starting to pop up. These labels, right? Loud. Series. Ninety-94, right? 94. No limit. No limit.

No, no limit. No, let's hear. They just started real. So I said the buck, if we're going to do this, then we obviously need the next group. And he, I think he was testing me early because he brought me a few things that were just but noodles. And I told him, I was like, no. Like artists? Yeah, he brought a couple of things and I was like, I don't, I don't know.

What you, vanilla ice? Yeah. He brought me. He just brought me some berserk shit. What you, is your answer? them out on it. And he said, all right, all right. I got two guys you need to meet. And he said, I'm going to bring him to an in store in New Jersey. And the next in store we went to, he brings Smith & Wesson. I'm videotaping. You can look this up on YouTube, but I'm videotaping them

take a microphone. Evil Dee puts on deep cover. And these two step up to the microphone in this. And you remember, you got to know what the in store is. Like these young people won't know what the in store. We're going to explain it. Right. But it was packed. And they're ready to take their heads off in that in store if they don't represent. and E was up above. The beat came on. It was a black moon in store? So now I've got to ask y'all, where was y'all at in life when y'all met them?

Like, was this the focus to meet them get signed, or this was just like, I'm nice a living, you know, level? For me, I wasn't even rap. I was his securities. I wasn't even in. You were his security? Yeah, I was still security. I don't know rapper, man. I see that right now.

We was fresh out of high school in the streets. Not even, one foot in high school, about to get thrown out, the other foot in the streets in the hood. I'm from Best Style, he's from the Ville, so it's already tension in the hood with that. But someone's doing mad talent shows and winning. For me, I always wanted to be behind the boards, like an engineer. And you said you're from Best Style and you're from Brownsville. Oh, that's very, very killer-ish. Yeah, yeah.

Very killerish places. Up to hill, down the hill. Exactly. And, like, he was doing just talent shows. and shit, and he had another partner that was rocking with him. I said, all I was doing was just security, just keeping the niggas and a bitches away.

So, after that, after we met him riding around in, what was it, the Subaru? He said y'all met in New Jersey. Is that the actual meeting happened, or no? That wasn't the very first time.

We might have been the first time. We met before that. So what I'm asking is, did you know that when you met him, and Buck that this was it? Nah, like for me, I wasn't on it like that. That was his journey.

That was his dream. We used to, like, before, I guess before we actually met Drew High, like, me and Buck, you spent a lot of time together on Franklin Avenue, Franklin and Union, just standing outside talking. Like, Buck is a visionary. Right. You know what I mean?

So he sees, he sees the future this guy. You know, but yeah, I was aspiring to be on, you know, And at that point, it's like, all right, these guys have the deal, so we're just going to ride with them. Right. You know, we was just shadowing these guys, and we was learning everything that they was doing from the interviews, for the in-stores, the studio work, and we shatterned them. So from there, yeah, we just picked up everything, man, man, man, next up.

Wow. I will say this, though. Go ahead. When we was working on, like, when me and Buck first started working, me, Buck used to always go. Just shout it. Yo, my man, still. My man's still, my man still And I was like,

yo, at the end of the day, let us do what we got to do first Then you can bring your man steel on. You know what I'm saying? And it was funny because It would be still, I always knew It was still and his man's Because tech didn't say anything.

So you don't call him steel in this man. I thought I was mute. I didn't know what I'm saying? No, you know, we thought tech didn't meet up. What up, still? What up? What up, Jack?

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on the Iheart Radio app. podcast or whatever you get your podcast. So now you guys come together. Now, immediately, Drew, did it dawn on you that you, we got to form this full-fledged label or was you more or less, let's just get the production company logo on there and not really be a label, we still would be happy? Honestly, we still weren't even really thinking that far ahead. I wish I could tell you it was this grand plan.

At that point, it was we brought them into nervous, introduced them to the same place we were. It wasn't until we went, got the first round of, you know, royalty statements that we were figuring maybe something wasn't matching up to the work. The word statements was bad or they were too good? What was every first artist who gave him to say? I don't remember. Who distributed nervous? Nervous was independent. Oh, independent distributed.

It was bad. It was bad. They had to renegotiate that. It was 187. You see, you see. They had a dollar and seven groups And that's when we You know

And now at this point We are seeing other We are seeing other entities pop up And we said, you know what Let's go shop this Right As soon as they came from the door It wasn't long before

They introduced us to Steele's brother Sean Ruck and Rock And Strain in Louisville As the Fad 5 So it didn't take long Now of a sudden being a

look, it wasn't hard to tell when you have eight MCs that rhyme the way they rhymed and everyone had a unique style and a unique look and came together to form like a Voltron like you know you just knew there was something special there

even at that point I think that's when we saw we could take this outside of nervous and do our own thing but the first album was into the stage the first one was on into the stage then the shining it caused so much disruption in jail

jail in jail I was in jail. I was in jail. It caused so much disruption. Did y'all know the... I can't speak on that. What?

You can't speak no part. I'm sitting. I got you. He's speaking from jail. I got jail movies. But did you know... Like, because I always ask people when they come on this show. Did you know you were making a classic?

Nah. We didn't even know what we were doing. We didn't know what... Stale and Buck was the professionals in rhyming and rap. They knew what bars was. I didn't know what bars was. I didn't know how to put together a song. You do 8, 16, then a chorus and this and come back.

I didn't know none of that shit until you. But you were nice, though. As soon as you let verses out. Space of noise with Juhat still big. I'm talking about that. We love that. So now, Ibu D. Iwud, you see this empire taking,

all. But for some reason, we heard that evil Degians disappeared at one point. That was funny. I'm a real way. And as a fan, as a fan, we loved Wapshod.

We loved Duckdown, but we missed you. Like, we wondered where were you at. I'm talking about. This is not Norrie. I'm not talking about Nori. This is A fan as hip-hop Because I missed the guy with the shit The guy like this

And I'm like, where did he go? So is there an explanation? Because I really don't know. This is... You know, I went to go DJ. This was DJ. You know, I went on my DJ tour. I had a...

I had a Hot 97 show. Oh, yes, right. From 94 to 97. That's on the flex. Flex. Flex. Look at that. Actually, um, actually, um, How do we...

We hope. Yeah, I'm but to say. That's another duck down thing. Oh, no. It all falls into duck down. Dug down. Dug down. It was like, you know, I come straight on my DJ and then beat monies.

You know, like me and me, me, Buck, and Fri was going through the whole nervous records thing. And, you know, like, that whole thing kind of left a solitase. And you got sort of blaming each other instead of looking at the big. a picture. Well, it kind of like, it wasn't like that. It just, we just felt, it's just, we just got jaded by the whole business, thing like that. And plus Buck wanted to build up, down. You know what I'm saying?

Five was locked up. And you wanted to all the time. And I just, you know, I got on, I got on my DJ shit. Right. Well, we were running around with boot camp. Yeah. Yeah, I was at the same time. They was, they was running around. They was doing, they were doing the boot camp.

All right. But you look at that, Ian I mean, we're instrumental in those first four albums from into the stage to the Shining to Health of Skelters Nighternal to OG's Seas of the Storm. I think when you look back on it in a piece of time it's easy to say where they go but

it wasn't really like that. It was, you know, you're talking about from 93 to 97 of that time of making records and then to his point, to clarify like the nervous situation when we did our deal with priority records which was a West Coast-based label part of what was still going on

was the first East Coast. Why are part of that? It was like Brian Turner, all the dudes you saw in the Compton movie. They last one. It was like, it was like strange. But Black Moon was held that, too. Priority. They tried to be time. We was held up in contract.

Held up in contract. So we were moving forward with Duckdown with Helter Skelter and OGC. That's like a year and a half, two years of time in the making right there. And Black Moon and Smith & Weston were kind of, they were in this legal battle with nervous. Yeah, they were frozen for it. My thing is, I'm not going to. I'm not just going to sit down. Like, I was producing other people.

So it was no turmoil or it was just like you just wanted to do that? No, no, this is my family. We go through the little family stuff, but at the end of the day, these are the dudes I came in the door with, and I'll never front on them, you know, and I'm loyal to that. You know what I'm saying? This is a family. God damn.

They didn't do it, buddy. A lot of cats thought it was some bullshit, whatever. Nah, the whole thing is, basically we had, we was going through the bullshit of, um, the label shed and you know and also catch was building their own entities

you know because if it was if it was some bullshit trust me it would have came out right that you know but that's the whole thing

it was just you know family doing other things so now now Buck this is Buck's idea or this is you and Buck No it was

it was Buck's idea but I was now Wu Tang had already came out just yeah Wu Tang was we were

Black Moon was a ahead of Woutain. Because I remember old Dirty Baster came to a couple of shows. We watched a car. We went to... The book camp came after

Wu-Tang. Yeah. Not really because... In a mix of everything bubbling up, we came in, right in the middle. The idea was invented before Moutain, you're saying.

But I don't think we looked at it like a super group, even though they already had... It was just Smith & Weston's Black Moon. They were one... At the time, right. They came out with the Protect Your Nip as a whole.

We came out of an individual. So now that you say, Schmitt and Wesson. What actually happened with that lawsuit? Smith and Wesson tried to sue you? Yeah. The gun company? Y'all change the name for life.

How the fuck is a gun company who kills people? Sue fucking you. Instead of making us the poster boys. It was a, it was a, we was confusing a consumer. One sells music, one sales, one sells guns. One sells death. Right. Let me find out.

One sells music, the other sells death. Basically. They sent us a season to sis. a stack of papers a legal term, cease and desist, they're going after the source. We're going out to the source. We're going out to anybody

that print child. We're going out of the regular. Yeah. Black, straight blacklist. Now, Drew Ha, as you being executive, what did you feel when Smith and Weston

the gun company is sending you emails? There wasn't even emails back then. What was it? Straight paper contract. Yeah. Are they serving you? Sergify letters. That shit looks super legit.

You were like, oh, I don't want them. When you get that letter. You get served? So you playing tennis? You play tennis? I do play tennis. I do play tennis. I do play tennis.

Okay. So you play in tennis. And the guy comes up. Mind you. At that point, it was still nervous to have put the album out. so they're looking for the label boss there. So they got it. They didn't want to put the money up to fight what they knew was going to be a super long lawsuit.

We are caught in the middle of putting out a new album, and we don't want to get held up any further. So, you know, they decided, we all decided jointly. That's how we make decisions. Like, we sat down and chopped it up, and we said we're not going to stop the music over our name. And they came up with the name and how they wanted to move forward. And the hood was mad at Cocoa Plano.

Somebody just throw that out there. I don't know. by talking about South being so tight for man they got over them too we were fucked up

we were fucked up we love Smith and Wesson so much that when y'all y'all you're saying

no no yeah I know I don't know I said Smith for Wences I never said I never said it

I ain't gonna lie in my mind I was like that was always something we use anyway because during the whole

time when these guys was working on into the stage we was bringing the weed to it

you know we were bringing the chocolate the chololete Let's make too noise, we're trying to like that. Floss. My nigga I just seen him come home. She's making me.

But so, y'all. Not to cut you off, no. Go ahead, Miss Sean Price. Come on, come on, please. Miss Sean Price. He wants some water. Sean has a little. He rocked who sing a beat.

Mother's a matter. Oh, man. That's all. So, it's the most discrepant music, so. Let me get me quick, how you got into the industry. Uh, in high school, still was rapping. Cliffordshire. That's what you were going to.

Steeleford. He's Ronald Furley. We all follow suit. Here we are. That's why he's right. So General Still. So how did General Still still, even, you were rhyming before you met Bucksie?

Actual facts, yeah. So, all right. Now describe us the situation when you met Bucshot. Where was y'all? I feel like y'all was in Marcy somewhere. I don't know why. No, Buck is a, you know, Crown High guy. He pretty much...

Did you say he's a light skin cat? Yeah. Crown Life, Tri-Ly. Oh, God. I met him with Cray's. I met him with Sister Tracy, big up Tracy. I went to school, night school. You know what I mean? I was a nice school, Western House, Brooklyn,

and I had a show at the Apollo. You know what I mean? She, I had, I did a couple of, you know, a variety shows, Vaugh and Alexander. You're telling them, Brooklyn niggas met in Harlem. Um, not well. Now, we would meet up in Brooklyn and shoot up the hall. Uh, the first time, the first time we actually met.

Now, we stay on to. We go anyways. The super New York issue right here. Ah, you are, but no, me. We wasn't going at the Harlem. Miami. So, you met him in Harlem at the Pallow? No, we had a show at the Pallow.

Okay. You had a show. Before you knew, but. I didn't show at the That was the first time we actually really, you know, met. But before then it was this,

I just, I knew it was sister, I was in class with her, you know, but that was, we had no, no, no, no, no, no,

nothing before that. You know what I'm saying? We was on our own twist. So he seen you at the Apollo and he performed with us. He was, he was, him and 5 FT was dancing.

Nope. But I, Buk and 5 used to also dance. For M-O-S-T, most organized sound trooper, was still me and a couple other people. Right. That was the name before Smith and White. So cruel.

Right. We were clear. Everybody was bit. Shaw was a dancer too. Oh, no. Let me get a clear. But Sean used to dance too. No.

No. But you had a show in the Apollo, which is a very big thing. Like, normal people don't get shows at the Apollo. Nah. The comment, the, the, The main denominator between that is Buck's sister Tracy. They went to night school. And she was dancing.

I'm like, Buck's sister Tracy lived in Queens for some reason. She might live in Queens now. She might. In my mind. She might. But that was the common denominator to, that was the link between Steele and Buck. And from there. Big up Tracy.

Yeah. And from there, that's when, because then if Buck was still on his grind doing what he was doing, but it just happened. She was like, yo, my sister, my brother rap. And he dances. So at the Apollo, that's when, you know, she came to it right there, yeah. Word up. Back in the days, we was dancing in the club.

That's right. That's standing on the wall. Let's make some noise. Now one thing, now one thing I should notice about John Frick. Everybody, listen, listen. Your guys are getting loose. I'm going to have to ask you to leave. So, relax.

So listen, one thing I noticed about Sean Price was when he was in the group, it felt like he was held. Now, I don't want to say held back, but it felt like he was contained. The minute he became Sean Price,

and I remember he took on the arnarchy of the brok his rap wall. Oh, it was real. That shit was true. He said the most disrespectful football. Ever. While he was claiming

the focus rapper a lot. I mean, I was just like, you know, I don't know if you know that was my favorite rapper. Like, not that was. But a lot of people saw Sean Price was still in

character mode. When he changed his name, he changed his name from Ruck to his real name. Right. Price. And people still thought that was

rap character mode. And when he became Sean Brown, you know, you're drew hot. Do you remember what I? It was, let me see. you know people running to him yo tell Sean Price

you know what I mean that Ruck is you know what I'm saying or tell Ruck that Sean Price and he's the same person you know what did you notice that once he felt like he was liberated like not in the way like he felt like he was held back but it felt like he

he was able to be himself but you know what when you have a partner y'all work together yeah you understand what I'm saying You can't direct the attention at just you. You got to think about your partner. Right.

Team player in that situation. Right. Yeah. So when you become solo, it's all you. No, but you don't have a behind the thing about it. Because some people go solo and they don't embrace the character

that he embraced. He went solo and he was the exact opposite of everything. So that would it's him. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Funny shit and all that.

That was Sean. That was not. You know, let me tell you. I invited, Sean, if you were saying it. To, um, a barbecue in left frat, right? Yeah, he's seen a video.

And he came through and he said, he said, oh shit, Norrie, it's Pramadon. I can't do none of this. Exactly. I was what it's supposed to. So when I saw your video, I was like,

this nigga Norrie. He said that. He had a gator reading. and I just really did, I was like, this thing is crazy. He went off his d'clock. His type of funny is just

it's like a natural comedian funny, but at the same time, his bare hands would slap the shit out of you. It's just you either accept it and you rock with it or you don't fuck with him or he don't fuck with you. So, I mean, I'm so sorry to go

in this dark place, but I just have to be in that we're here. So how hard was it because the hip-hop community sat back and we heard that, you know, Sean passed away and me personally I was fucked up because

me and Sean been great forever, but we were getting closer and closer and closer and I, it was getting closer to the point where I just would call him and be like, you're a foul nigger. He'd be like, for what? What did? I just hang on.

Because I just liked him to be curious. He was one of the... I remember I told Buster about Sean Price and he was like, yeah. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, sure he's going to ill? And I said, you never listen to his lyrics. I said, you never have to do.

And Bus called me and was like, I think I got to sign this guy. I think I got a sign. And the week after he passed away, and Bus kept hitting me. And I didn't answer Bus calls for that week. Not because I don't respect bus because I absolutely do. But it was just like I just wanted to deal with the morning as opposed to what was going on.

And then afterwards, I'm going to be honest, sis. Everybody's seen how great Sean was after. Hold on, hold on. One second, sis. One second. How many times did I was trying to call you? I was like, tell Sean to come fuck with me, right? Because I really knew how special this kid was.

I didn't know what to do with it. I didn't know what to do with it I know what to do with it now but it's so many years later But a lot of people A lot of people did Yes I got your sister I'm so sorry I'm just going to say a lot of people did You have to understand he had put out

Three solo albums and no shit's for An artist to reinvent himself right That's a very difficult thing to do Especially for what you call an old school artist Or you know whatever the phrase is called artists He had a cult following He recreated himself where he was touring Where he was selling albums

Where he was making a little a good-ass living snuffing people on stage too reinventing them stuff to show him was in the show him was in the

big states you know what you're you know what I'm that you're snuffing his fans huh I'm glad

and they kept doing it and they kept they one thing they're stuck get in show give me a sign bomb they love when he

block them and they love when he punch them yeah you know no man there was there was a lot of

labels at that time and point that were recognizing what was going on I saw a buster one day in front of transit

on Broadway. I remember he pulled me and transit. That's a stickstickstick is all? Yeah, I saw him outside transit. You know how a bus to grab him and pull you and tell, yo. And he, this is a couple, this is probably like a year before a year maybe two before he passed and he was like, you know, I'm going to work with Sean. I'm like, all right, well

we already move him, but everything would always come back to Sean, but one thing was Sean is, and he had the choice. He never switched teams. No, he said that. No matter how he did, he never switched teams. So now, you says, You've seen to him in the group, and then you've seen to him as a solo artist.

Right. Where did you think his space was more comfortable as a solo artist? When he became Sean Price? Yes. Okay, explain. He was able, you know. Because he wasn't funny at all as a group. No.

Like, I never laughed at rock and rock at all. You know, it was scary. It was a scary. Now Sean Price comes. I'm like, cheek, there's that. We're criminalism. I'm talking to myself like Bismarkey with a gun.

I can see that. I'm turning to Biz Marquis with two guns. You know, he's stupid, though. No, I swear to God. I mean, Sean, Sean, Sean, that's him. Sean, you pick me up. You make me up.

I'm happy. Sean is like, that makes actually a lot of sense. That's how I always looked at myself because, you know, picking boogers. Picking boogers. made me laugh. And that was the police is here.

Richard Pryor. That sounds like the police. It does sound like the police. Richard Pryor. Oh shit. Oh, shit. I thought it was. You know, you're not like the police, man.

Relax. So, but that's how I always looked at, Sean, because Biss Markey was my idol. And everybody hated Bizz. Not hated. They just didn't. I mean, from my era, they didn't. They didn't take.

No, I'm saying. I'm just saying, my people didn't take biz as serious as Kane as Rock Kim or whatever. But this made me laugh. Right. And I always wanted to be entertained and laugh at the same time. At the same time. That's what Sean did. So when Biz came, it was like, oh, that was the ultimate choice.

And then I'm not going to lie, I felt like I took on that R&R. What is that? I don't know that word. I'm sorry. Monica Thank you There you go This is my homework

I said she's his homework So I took on that And then I left it alone And I left it alone And I tried to make club records And party records

And all that And Sean reminded me That you fucked up He's like I'm beating this lane up And he did that So do you think Because me personally

and this is some fucked up shit to say, but I'm gonna keep it real. Keep it real. I developed this perfect personality when I gain weight. Okay. After I gained weight, I was 360 pounds. I didn't want people to look at my stomach. So I became funny. Concentrate on your personality.

Concentrate the paws. Look at me right here. Concentrate on my mouth. That's how you. Concentrate on what I'm saying. But Sean never got big as me. So how does Sean, in your opinion, develop that, that, you know, personality? I would say, you know, the struggle takes you there.

You know, the ups, the downs, you got personal problems. You got real problems. You understand what I'm saying? You know, as artists, and I say this a lot, we have to. to deal with the world, what the fans want, how people are going to look at us, how they perceive us. At the same time, you're dealing with personal issues from your family.

You want to help everybody. You want to make everybody happy. And all that shit just builds up. You try to direct your attention elsewhere. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's hard. Like, he lost his mom, and then he had to get out there and do a show.

Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? His mom, you know, she didn't raise them, but he loved his mom. What's the beautiful daughter name? Sean Price. Sean Price. I'm not going to lie. I see her when she got on stage.

It's so beautiful. Let's make some noise for little Sean Price. Here at this show, but I'm going to re-in-wate. introduce Sean Price to the stage. Yes, he's. Go ahead. Talk about it. Talk about it. How old was she?

She was in the carriage. She was walking. Yeah. He went out of Queensbridge, right? Yeah. He bought it out and Prospect Park. That was what?

What was that show called? That was what I was ranked on? One of the summer stages. And he bought Sean Price out for the first time. From here, now she do photography. Now she do verses. She modeled.

everything. You can't stop it with her now. Drew, I got a question for you. And this has to do with Sean Price. And this might be kind of wrong in a sense. And I'm going to tell you why. This is one of the most depressing times I had in hip-hop. I went to Shady Records.

I don't remember the year exactly. And I went to visit Riggs Morales, and you walked in. And you was pitching Sean to them he was like yo and you was giving the illest pitch to them and I remember Riggs just like not not being sure of what you were saying

and I'm like because I already know I know what he meant to the movement so I'm like how could why would you question this so I walked away from that office like disheartened of hip hop like why the fuck would they not understand this is a legend already, why would you not pick this up?

And that you had to pitch it. I mean, I probably went up there for Paul, because we were already cool. First of all, we have history with M. That goes back to a whole other story that we at one time. Do you remember that day? I do remember that day. You also have to remember at a certain point, right,

that we're talking about, like, there's a lot of comedy to it, but to Burns' point, there was a lot of struggle also. Around 98, 99, we lost that glorious production deal at RITRELMANN, Smith & Weston signed O'Rourkees, right? Me and Buck was sitting back going, we got to regroup and we got to find new funding, we got to find

we went back to my apartment. Like we went from offices in a penthouse with copy machines and all the types of crazy shit to the copy machine being in my kitchen. So at the same time we're looking out, we have artists that are active and we're saying we got to do something

for them as well and we started making deals that that killed us. Like, we were dismantling the roster. Like, literally, really at Smith & Western was signed the Rockets Records. But at the same time, I think that was like something that hurts in the beginning when he didn't branch

out early. You're saying that signing the work is hurt? It hurt us because we couldn't provide the home anymore. We couldn't provide the contract. It wasn't just us no more. Right. It was an outside entity. We made a new deal. We signed, you know, we signed

a group. Like everybody said, all right, they Because in priority you had. Right. It was our deal. So Sean was also without a deal. And so at this time, like Rock, the partner and held the Skelter, Rock, he had a deal with priority. They kept him through that deal. So they were allowed to, they were allowed to get one. Right. But it was through that contract, but they were allowed to keep one artist from our roster. And that's what they chose. They chose it. That's what they chose. They chose. They were allowed, in our contract, they were allowed to keep one act. And they chose rock and that I think that put

a huge chip on Sean's shoulder yeah it put his thing you know and so we went back to definitely we went back to putting out we went we went back to putting out 12 in singles and at that time there were a lot of like you know different different labels because Steve Riffkin

called you know Paul called so we were taking a couple of these exploratory meetings like I thought that might be a good fit for him like if M if he did a deal with with M shady something crazy would have

I swear like But I don't know how hard I was Like I don't know I walked away from that How this is from hip-pah I was like How could this not work?

But I never felt like You know what I never felt like that? I never feel like that Like why do you have to pitch that Nah but I never I never felt like that That's why you're just that Independent Spirit

Gizzer was Sean Krenx Damn But when I'm saying I didn't leave that meaning of feeling anyway I'm doing the game At that point So I'm leaving like

I'm all like Oh I'm fucked up in the game But if the legend can't get it already. You know what I'm saying? Are you about to take a drink? Another one.

Yeah. After this conversation, you know where I want to Are you all sponsored by Bel Air? Are you a Bel Air's? No, no. Not yet. We got the hook up there. No, no.

Give us the Moy Hook. Yeah, we're going to talk about the Bel Air hook up next. I got about it right here. There you go. There you go. No, I'm good. I'm just, I'm just sitting right over here. over here.

But look, look. So, hold on, hold on. Bazaar was shot. So this is where I want to go. Buktale. Oh, man. Oh, man. Do you know how many people got shot?

Just don't blow that shit, right. Oh, man. Do you know how many people you got shot when you're made? What damn. I think that was in a lot of niggas shot. That was in our muffled. I think niggas here right now, shot niggins. And we're going to please.

And we're just a shooter nigger. Bye. We're from the original gun class. Yo, you fucking that tiger, huh? I'm gonna do a shot. Y'all did a show in Miami. Wait, wait, wait, you gonna see a show? Yeah, I'm a rock a long time.

Still, I'm a tiger to drink. As long as having the sound is me, we're gonna. I said, no, no, they did a show. It was actually, it was actually Black Moon. And they did the joint. Actually, it was actually the, they did, who got the problem? What is it? Put up.

What up? The shots went out. Wait a minute. Yeah, you're going to interrupt when you stopped interrupting? Did you see this shot? What's wrong with you, my friend? This is not a shot. This is the worst.

Yeah, this ain't a shot, but this is not a shot. This is a drink. Tiger Ball. Like, you know what they're going to put on your body. This is a drink. This guy, Chi-Chi, get the hell. Oh, he's light. That's light.

That's light. That's like. Oh, oh, we're doing Tiger Ball? No, give me a shot of Tiger Bowl. Yeah, go. Let me a shot of Tiger Bowl. Show the shot to Russ. All right, so do the table.

There we go. Everybody is set for burn. Let's go. That's that for me, Goddive. Russ, you're sitting. I don't know if y'all understand what we do here at drink champs. What we do at drink champs is we support our legends. And I don't know why Pupon has any more shots of anything.

I'm good. This shit smells like one guy of Bing Bong. Because Capone going to sleep on a terrorist. You're a C&E? And he rich. I see the last war report check coming. It's very good. So he's good.

And his Supreme Check, too. I see this. It's very horrible. He's by far. He's low here. He's never. He's the fairest guy in the world. But that's my brother.

And you know what? We celebrate your birthday tonight. That's right. Happy birthday. Tiam, Capone, Holly. Victor Nori Santiago represents for you. I love you since I met you and we

stayed together and we're going to be together and I want you to keep doing what you got to do because you got to do what you got to do and you got to stop wearing rabbits but that's okay. I love you. Give him a kiss. Give him a kiss. This is what you name, baby.

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on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. Now let me ask you out something that's a collective, as a collective. To me, you changed your face of hip-hop. Because y'all was the first people. like Wooten came after y'all even Master B came after y'all

said they want to contain their music and keep it together but same labor, in my opinion y'all was the first people to do it y'all was the first people to say I'm going to maintain and stick together and do what they do

now was that an attitude that all of y'all develop or that was just your fault I think that that was everybody that's why after one group we always went back and got the next group. Got on, he came

back, got Smith from Wesson. Smith from Wesson got on, we went back and got Elder Skelter. Helter Skelter got on, they came back and they were at OGC. That's why it was the great that's why they was the Fad 5 it was OGC and Helter Skelter. That was, we was

used to being around out, being around each other. Like, we didn't have, we didn't have the support of, like, we didn't have the OGs and the industry giving us a job job. So everything we did,

we learned it was like on the job training. Like Buck was extremely smart building job training. We don't know nothing about media. We learned everything.

We learned everything. We learned we was doing internet. We was like, yo, we had to come up to get on the internet and talk to the fans. Nobody wanted to do that.

You know what I mean? Now everybody is on the phone like, tweeting and texting every five seconds. So it's like, we love. from each other, so we was used to that.

And when we wasn't on the road, we was at, we was at home, you know what I mean? We was trying to find the best we spots in Brooklyn and Harlem and had the dog, you know what I'm going to say? Mawley and Gates too. We tore them up. Hoseley and Lewis. For what?

Halsley and Lewis. Downstate. Jack Fahler Wilson. Hey, Kyle and Wilson. You're not going to lie. You're talking about. I said to every week. Every week.

You know, look. Queens, niggas? wait the Brooklyn for the best weed That's where you guys going on Lewis Avenue. Ozzie and Lewis. Ozzie and Lewis. And I was a hot 9-7, that's how I caught

a lot of Queens do. I'd be like, yo, I'm going on the corner of my house a drop. It was at least two times a week I would bump into you and Ray at body bag. I ain't know a lot. Let me take so. Let me take some.

I was a joke. I see this thing in every week's spot in New York. Like, and we just look at it. I just didn't be a brand. What you doing here? What you're doing here? Just like, damn, I'll be to see you another time. Because we both there for the same reason.

But I just want to keep it to you big enough stuff down because it was something that really bothered me the other day. I believe the guy that was here earlier. I think he tweeted me and said, when is the thing? You're going to believe this guy right now, no, no, no, no. James? The guy. The guy is the guy.

The guy. He said, who's the guy? You know, the guy. The guy. The guy. The guy. The guy. The guy.

I think it was him who tweeted me. And they said, we need to have duck down on it. And you know what I said? Are we ready to get Buckshot? I think it was time for Buckshot. Oh, can we call him, please? Where is the guy?

I said, I said, he's going to call him? Oh, the guy. I did. Oh, the guy. I'm not only wanted to get the guy. No way. But I'm not. But I want it all of y'all.

Can I want it. I want it, hold on a point. I'm going to relax. I'm going to relax. I want it all of y'all together. And not only did I want it all of y'all together, because I get mad when people mention the greatest labels of all time, and people Richard mentioned the greatest independent people of all time,

and then they don't mention y'all. Like, I personally get mad at that. I appreciate that. Because it's like I survived it, I lived it. I seen it. They're still here. How can you fucking not include them? I mean, we came from a place that raised us as warriors, man.

Like, you know, going through all the label drama and, you know, losing people, casualties of war. You know, contracts and stuff. Like, I guess we develop hard skin, man. And it's like we've always been underdogs. and we never looked for anything. We always did it ourselves. It started as duckdown management. It went to duck down records.

When we was down, like any other team, when we was down, Fav FI was up. And when we got back up, we got back with the Fad Fives. So it was just us through the whole thing. And we never looked for anything, man. I think Drew and Buck was geniuses in a sense that they got it after a while and said, man, we actually can do this ourselves. Once y'all got popping, was there other labels that came into play and said,

fuck, duck down, come with us? Of course. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. I don't know about it. I don't know about it. Are you the left? I'm a black sheep with a shit.

No, man. Like I said, man, we was already groomed, man. Like, we was not, it was, you couldn't take us from. You couldn't take us from our team. I know I make jokes. Because even Sean Price made jokes. Sean Price said, I would have left with nobody you've offered me a deal. He told me you would take me with them, though.

He said, he always would fuck with me. He said, you know if I get that big check, you got to still come and go through that deal. That's why he didn't deal with him. He wasn't dead with him. You know what's the relationship for me? When I did my bed, right? It was not a lot of people I could count on. But I was getting fan mail.

I was getting bags of fan mail. I was getting a lot of fucking fan mail. But I got one letter that I was like I looked at it was like No this can't be real It was from fucking rock And I looked at that shit said there

And he spoke on behalf of all y'all nays I'm speaking on behalf of Doug damn Like yo my nigga we ride it for you And I came home And I fucked you separate I fucked with you separate I spoke to you, Zepard That was the real shit

Yo, it was not I didn't get no mail from no living I didn't get no man from Denver I didn't get no mail from fucking I got mail from y'all niggas man Let's make some love for duck down God damn

And to get mail from millionaires Was the real shit of my life bitch Now we know that we know the benefit of that man That's what we came from us We was raised in the hood Nobody ever knew that nigga

Gave me love and jam and like that's how we hooked up with pop right you know man's like baby that's real because y'all was fucking with pop before anybody that's what that's what it the baby bob the baby bob they don't got baby powder in Miami man they don't got they got they got egyptian and shit like that like relax you gotta get you gotta get the fake carenheit you got have a fake cologna everything everybody not gonna do like the police right oh no Bizzle, that's Bizzle, that's Bizzle started, yeah, because it feels like, all right, nah, you know what, fuck all that other shit. But I like, young and made.

We got to make, you know what, we got to make this the distinction clear, right? Because we're going through a couple of decades of what we've done. Yes. And so along the way we evolved and we understood that we had, I have to make the distinction, too, between boot camp click and Duffdown, right? New Camp Click is a super group comprised of all the artists that we're talking to right now, but then Duckdown as a label still would go on, and we distributed a lot of records for some artists that you may not even think that we were in a distribution company for.

We put our records from KRS 1. We put our records from Be Real, from Farramund, from Black Rob. We've done four records with Static Selector with 9th Wonder, with Pete Rock. Shit, talking about it. We evolved into a label, a consultant company, and the distribution company, because we had to. We had to move with the times. It wasn't just going to be about...

No, it was. But see, I'm going to be this real careful because you're going to get me in trouble. You see the videos. You see the videos. Young M. May runs through a partnership that we have where we handle her distribution of marketing.

Right now. But she has her own entity, and we're very careful and respectful of how we present it because she's not technically on Duffdown. But you didn't get a check from her. What is the problem? Well, we work for her.

We work for her. I'm asking what the people won, though. That's all right. Oh, you can't get it. Hey, Ted. Say that again. You asked you what the people were. Look, she's, I look.

If you had on a ad, she just went three times platinum on it. Yes. And there you go, you're trying to say, you know, what? So what? So anyway, we do that to a subsidiary company called 3D. And that's our distribution company. So now, explain that to upcoming artists who would like to be down with this company.

Right. Explain what you're doing for these new artists because people don't understand that new artists have old school people behind them and I don't mean saying. Right, right. You put a good team together. Getting up on iTunes is not

going to do it for you. A lot of people can go to TuneCore or whatever and think their records up on iTunes and they're good. You still need a good network of people, experience people that can go and talk to these people and get you positioning and get you marketing things and brands and different deals and put your strategy

together. So that That became our role with M.A. And we have an incredible success with her and big up to her. She, you know, she's doing her thing like we're incredibly proud. She's fully independent? She's fully independent. We handle her distribution and her marketing. So what did you do?

What did you do because I spoke to a couple of radio people, and a couple of radio people told me. You're doing your own way. Yeah, a couple of radio people told me that you called them and said, how do I move this record along? Right, right. So we dropped the record. she got the views that everything was starting to move

you know but your radio was only Flex went on it early and we have brought her around I suppose the flex I'm sorry I said we made many rounds with M8Forg Way before she dropped Ooh she had a several video

It's static can tell you We brought in the Static's house We were making our rounds Introducing her to DJs bringing her Everywhere she had to go And when she caught the record Flex had already seen it He went in on the record

He believed in it And he started to go on it. And literally from Flex supporting his spread to the other DJs. And the good record is a good record, man. It's not, I wish we could take more credit for it. And a lot of times, even some of our artists around us going, what did you do? Who'd you pay?

What did you? Nah, like, good music sells itself. It really does. When you're a new artist. If you're a legend, you're going to have a great record, and then we're happy. You're right. You're right.

And you got a time right now. Because she's shot out right now. I'm sorry to cut you up because I want you to go. at all, God. Continue your shit. But when you are legend, you have a great record, and they'll just be looked over. But if you have the new artist hype,

and I believe she had the new artist's height, I'm not saying, I'm not saying. But she created that hype, though. Yeah, she's great. It was dope as hell. Right. It was dope as hell. She did a thing with it.

Right. She definitely. Yo, what's the whole? Static. Static. You always come here. Changes. You started making this shit to a club.

Relax. Relax that. Like, generic media, I'm not going to call it right now. But generically, like... Who you call it? We call it. We coming from a place where we... Like, our art, like...

Buckshot be a monster on my hood. What is it? No, no. That's the fact. That's the fact. But we brought life to music. Like, we wasn't imitating life. We brought the real life to the beat.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like What is the fuck? Little guys, you're about to get kicked out. Let me throw it out there. Our biggest fans was dudes from Brownsville. Dudes from best-style. Dudes that knew the story.

So it wasn't, it wasn't, it was, not from Brownsville. Bucket's from Crownsville. East, not Eastfield. I thought of the Brownsville. White planes, Bush, race. Bushwick.

Bushwick. flat bush on the defense you're gonna be straight jamaican's queens oh no no no on the jamaican belt and all that shut up man he had the jamaic he's flat bush

you know you get up by the juncture right that's what they are right right by the juncture is is flat bush is fletlandish and sutter is brown's right and the jamaican belt

what while the clocks what clocks on we we listen you can't you get to this right here This is where she used to go so much. Tiger bomb is making me smatter. Who knows what? That's what we performed.

That's a crib. I'm a queen's brother. I'm not. Every seven. I'm not. Come on. Let's tell you something. That's what we have right now.

Swarth. Southside. Southside. Okay. Okay. So, I'm calling Buckshot. I'm calling Buckshot.

Hold on. Hold on. You're going to get to bring Bucket. You're going to hold on a hole. You got to be quiet. You got Buckshot. They can put it to the mic, sir. Yo, thaw. In the front, front of mic.

You hear me? You got to hear you? You want, you on loud, baby. With the drink chest, Joe Buckshot, can you hear me? This is your boy, N-R-E? That's right. EFN.

So we heard that you're fighting a certain thing. That's the reason why you couldn't come out tonight. Do you want to share with the people, or you don't have to if you don't want to? You know, like recently, people thought that was a joke and then because of, you know, I heard that it helps with epilepsy. Right. You know, me, you know, that's something that I was diagnosed with, you know, early 2000s. You know, and it's not, you know, it's a real situation. There's millions of people out there that have the same situation that I know that they keep born to least leave to maintain.

you and also down women in situations where they call normal reticent. You don't know what every individual themselves is dealing with by and cold growth. So voice on the side to tell you, yo, everything is going to be cool. Everybody's dealing with something, but no matter what it is, you know, keep pushing forward, maintain your head, maintain your health, you know, don't stress, you know, things that nature study, study yourself, make sure. so you know, because ain't nobody going to do it like you for you, you know what,

you know what, you always got to be the one that's staying on top of yourself. Like, the entertainment industry is a real, real, real, real stressful industry. And I know every artist who did in this game know it, you know what I'm saying? There's times when I've been on the road, I was like, man, I wouldn't wish this on my word anything. Right. But, but, but, but, but the love of getting on stage is replaces at all. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So that combination right there together can become, you know, a rush for some people and a heavy load for others. So let me ask you something. Let me ask you something before you get up out here. Describe what epilepsy. What is it, epilepsy? Yeah, I'm saying. Describe what that is. Like, what does it do to you?

It makes you feel weak. Everlipsy is a neurological that should come from my brain. You know what I'm saying? No. fire. Sometimes they're not that active. People with epilepsy, their nerves firing extra, extra, extra

so they, it's like a motherfucker that's just traveling on the body stresses out. When it takes on too much, you lock up. You do what they call, have what they call a seizure or you lock up or you know, people have different forms. Some people look, some people still,

some people may just, you know, lock all the way up. Some people just, you know, Some people mumble his thousands of different forms of it out there. Shells and the grain. You walk right by them because people didn't know what that disorder was. We're searching the foundation. You know what I'm saying?

Well, Buck, yo, I don't know if you know what's going on right now. Right now, we're saluting the whole duck down legacy right now. Yes, sir. We're here with Drew Hawe. We're here with Mitchon Price. We're here with... We'll give me where you could donate. We're here with Tech and Steele.

and then Capone wants you to Okay tell me. There was a time with me and you In the studio Okay This was a walk ago Okay And we were like It was like it was the first time

And I think it was sticky It was something It was some blacks right You didn't say cracks Blacks Yeah That's me I don't want to turn

That's right Yeah Yeah Yeah You know It's a third half And get the blacks so tough and you fell asleep uh-huh and you did something to me buck is this

me good you did something to me when i fell asleep boss is this what this is going on my bad buck i'm sorry but your baby mons on my hood your baby mons a little bit tell them to let you know where you can donate you have left rack what's up baby i just i just want you like to know the people where they can donate that you know to heblepsy in all that. the whole with with the research and stuff that they get food and they had and everything in the game for us she's a couple of years now so you know um you know and and just any any other found thing that you just you can be in a hot food man for broke leg and you see all the even you just see all the misfortunates of like on you know you know what your life is a precious thing man you know respect and appreciate it love it and live it all live it out man man That's why I get, man, you see? Look, man, it's ducked down for life.

Duck down? That man must have crushed down so many other labels, right? Right. Y'all, no, that's what we get into tonight. Yeah, y'all's original. Y'all are the New York niggas originated fucking with pop. Pop gave y'all the most love by the United States. Y'all the original bad boy.

The original death row. Your buck. Diggins don't even, he was in. He was a kid. He was a fucking. Hey, say, ha ha. Yo, Buck, I just want to thank you so much, my brother. We want you to get well soon.

And you already know, drink champs. We're all about big enough of our legends, and we need you on here that someday, once you get well, we want you back. We want you on here. And we want to say thank you so much, my brother. Yes, rest of peace, Sean Price. That's right. All right. All right, one love, my brother.

Peace. So now, I hate to go to this. So I hate to, after this great call, after we have the beautiful Miss Sean Price here, after we have all this, I hate to go to this question, but I have to ask this question. Go for it. How the fuck did y'all cash be for Biggie Small? I was waiting for that one. I wasn't there.

I was at High 97. Is that your way of getting out of this one? No, I was actually, I was going. I was going. Didn't it make somebody like you in the video? No. Dude, I was on the money. That's the question.

Nobody was to talk about that. Nobody ever asked you out. Hold on, tell me. It ain't about it. They're asking about it. That's just, that was my nigga from long time. Like, big from the style and from the style. It was my brother.

And it was just a miscommunication, a misunderstanding what happened. And, you know what I mean? It was over-get money? Nah, it wasn't... It wasn't... It was deeper than that? Nah, no. It was just something that we even wasn't.

He's supposed to go down the way it went down. It was just hot heads against hot heads, youngers against youngings. And then the way it got... Niggas threw water on and the fire was put out and that was it. Meekers... But y'all actually made a video. Medians had...

We can't forget that. The dude's had that chorus. That get-money chorus. recorded that song. Duce recorded that song. We had that song. OGC had that song already. Original gun clappers.

Original gun clas right. When we went to Palladium that night, we saw Biggie performing it. So it automatically, the youngest was like, oh, they, you know, stole my joint. You know what I mean? Because they had a song called Get Money? No, they had a song with that chorus.

I could be asked for a lot of the best. Which nobody on that. That's somebody else's lyrics. But in that climate You know what I mean? That climate That palladium climate And then you got the Then you got the label

The label was always looking for The juice where they can find the juice at And you know Let's let's the label The label fed the fuel to that And the producers was DJ Clark Kent And Easy LP Yeah LP was

Y'R producer and LP was Big East producer Elbke Mom what the car This was related like damn This is a little bit of story. Listen, you know the story. You know the story.

You told us a story, you are in. So you know the further stand what it is. She knows to talk about. But now, it's not nothing to talk about. Yo, there's not nothing to talk about. Because like, yeah, chill out. Yo, chill out. He went here, got to talk about.

Like I said, big was my nigger. And he's on my family. He's on my name. niggas. I'm a bad style nigga from birth to the death. And big was my nigga for life. It's still Julian Mafia. I still fucking seeds and all of them. Welcome to Tate gunter and

all the nays. So it don't have to be coming up for that shit that niggas don't know about it. If you don't know about it, then it's not, you wasn't dead. You don't need to know about it. Yeah, I understand that and I respect that to 100%. But, you know, what we do is we just pick on in a lot of history.

But certain shit and certain things when you don't need to be. I mean, if we can talk about it without disrespect. At the end of the day, this is hip hop history. True. So sometimes we have to talk about things that the wound is already held. This is the wound right here, Tech. You see that?

I understand. But everybody's intentions is a good intention. But the thing is, but the thing about it is big a hair to clarify. Ain't nobody here. So I would prefer y'all clarify. Even if y'all were the victims or not the victims. But the thing is, but the thing is, is the thing is we have to address

this because we were, I was in D&D when I felt the pressure, I felt the pressure where I'm like, they're like, yo, you can't go there and like, why? Like, it was, you know, big is on one side. I'm like, well, okay. And they're like, and then

ducked down. It's on the other side. And I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle. And we're Primo. We're doing our shit with Primo. And then we heard some shit. And the thing about it is, I ain't trying to general negativity in case you thought in case, in case you're thinking

because we spoke about it already. No, but the thing about it is we this is for the fans. Sometimes the fans know, sometimes they don't know, sometimes they do know. And sometimes they don't need to know. Yeah, but you know what? You ain't kill big.

You ain't killed big. You know what I'm saying? So that's what they need to hear. That's the fact. So what they need to hear is you say that. I need to hear you say. Now, see, you know what? It was a misunderstanding.

I don't know why. I would be riding through the hood on my motorcycle, on my motorbike, on my motorbike, on my motorbike, on my pedal bike, whatever. By even driving through the hood in my car, Big will pull up on you, you'll park and get in my car. We would go uptown to every weed spot. Shut the weed spot down for at least two hours. No, no weed being sold in a drug spot because me big. Money L is up in there.

Rock is in there for literally an hour and change. Then come back to the block so are you saying, and I'm sorry, I'm going to get a little deep. So are you saying when the beef actually did happen with Big you was in like, damn, why? What is this going on? So describe that moment. That's what I'm asking. Describe

that moment. Because I heard, this is what I heard from the streets that Get Money was a duck down record. Big came into the studio. He heard it. and he just like, fuck it. I'm gonna just do... But he did a different version of it.

It wasn't y'all version, but it was the same basis. And he felt like he didn't even like talk to y'all. And is that where the beef started for him? I'm sorry. I mean, because I love big too. It wasn't new beef, man. It wasn't a meat.

I mean, just, you know, the problem. Through all that, I think what would cause the escalation of the shit was the videos. because there was no communication. So when you lack communication, you lack understanding. Yeah, and they did do a video where y'all was beating up.

Right. So when there's no communication, you have three parts and three entities saying, oh, well, why, bah, bah, bah, well, why son, bah, bye, or why? But big, that's your man. And is that when Pock, because then Pock sort of embraced y'all. But after words, Pock embraced y'all, because it wasn't. I don't think that really had nothing to do with it Because Pop was down with y'all anyway

Yeah, when we sit When Pop was locked up Me big and Park We all three of us is Geminias So that was our bond And we had anyway June and May I'm a Gemma

I'm a Gemma Relax All right The Father's nature of world Astrology But that was always That was always how Follah

We went out of astrology We were good You're sorry Liggins But that was always our bond that we had. Pock wasn't even in the picture. Pock had nothing to do with it. That always had nothing to do with it.

But the thing is, I just want to, and look, you know you're my name. You know you're my name. But I just want to address it for hip-hop history. Because at the end of the day, I'm not coming at this as norie. I'm coming at this as a fan. Y' guys came in the game before me. Digging. And me outside looking in, that's how I looked.

It looked like Big and y'all have problems. It looked like y'all did a video. But when I investigated... When I investigated... Even in the middle of that, me and Big were still in the hood fucking with each other. That's the part that you don't know about them. That's why we need you to talk about it. That's the Seas and all of them.

You know, they all know that. They know... It's to this day, bang. Seas and all, be like, yo, Tech, that nigga Big really loved you. And it was... The feeling was mutual. Can we address the situation? Because I think you were about to explain it.

Did y'all play big, get money record? No, no, no. The record was the OGC record. Right. And it's like that's our little brothers. So, you know what I mean? They told you that big, her, this hook. I don't know how he got to.

How did they start taking personal with that? I mean, they take a person with that. Like I said, it was a lack of communication that was there. The video was there. The video was made. I take that. I think. And nobody.

Until that day came up when Niz was happening, and we got the call. I was in the same studio night you're talking about. Big, like, you'll call tech to the phone. He called you. Me and Big is on the phone. Like, you take what are the mother's out of my hands. I'm like, yo, big, we ain't never. Natives was supposed to kick this ass man to man.

And dude, he's like, yeah, you're right. But look what we at now. That's why shit didn't go down. Yeah. Let me say that, girl. Let me say that this is, this is just my opinion. I could be super fucking wrong with this on, right? Like, you got these young kids that's on a label, right?

And when you get, like, you have the backing of these industry people. Like, the industry knows if it bleeds and leads. They want you to have drama. They think if we can show this image, it may look good for your track record. So you got damn right, that shit played a part of it. These kids wasn't going, yo, we got to. beef we're big we want to set it with that nobody was talking about that shit

you know what I mean it's like yeah yeah so it's like okay how can we capitalize all this shit so this is where the industry comes and it swoops down and take your babies and next thing you know you can't even walk up the block because you you set a rap and all that so that's where the miscommunication is at because

we should have talked to the homie that wasn't it was like none of us felt like that you know what I mean this is all of the right but I just say it's all right this is all the directors and the producers come in and they start giving their little two cents. They say, well, let's bring in this guy. Let's bring in a look alike of this guy. Let's bring

in a Montel Jordan guy. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we're not thinking, yo, we're going to do this in the video. And when we saw the video, when we saw it going down, I don't think nobody felt comfortable with it. I'm not going to lie. As a Queens guy, as a queen's guy, and I'm going to be honest. This is 100 honest. That's the worst thing that we did

in our career. I was the biggest. I was the biggest duck down. I was the biggest Tell that happened. Like, you know, I had fights for y'all in jail. I'll just tell you, I just so y'all know. Like, I had fights for y'all. Like, my niggas was like, yo, what?

What? I'm like, what? I have fights. Like, real fights. And when I see the big, like, you know, like, the mockery video was just done. I never understood that. Because, like, and I'm a Queens nigger. And I only fought for y'all.

Nah, it's a big. That's it. In jail. And I fought for all that. And then when y'all started beefing, I was like, damn. I didn't understand what was happening. It was no, it was nothing to understand.

So part of the reason why I'm asking, ain't even, ain't even, because I'm a journalist fake. Nah, man. You know what I said? For yourself. You want to know. I don't know where it went. People don't know about beef.

It never makes sense when they say that. A lack of communication. Hold on, hold on. You live on the podcast, nigger. We got 8 million people listening. Say what's up, brother. Yo, what on? What's good?

Wow. This, this, this. Wow. It's my brother. Excuse me. No. We're going to edit there. Yo, I don't know.

I love you, my brother. No doubt, son. Yo, yo, my nigga, I've been writing you since you was eight years old in the pen. He was eight years old. I always, goddamn, I'm writing you, nigga. God damn. And you still got an iPhone. Damn.

God damn. God damn. Let's make some noise. Hey, man, Van Damage. They're gonna toast his whole shit in there. Oh, you got Jordan's on, too? Look at your. You got him, John is in for.

You know, we love you, nigger. When you come home, you're good. We're gonna give you an executive job. You're okay. You know, that's all, baby, you know what I'm saying? We're doing time like that, boy. Yo, yo, Rich, Rich, rich, come on, come on. Come on. Hold on, the camera's not on you.

Relax. Let's get them, let's get them. Yeah. on you. Oh, look at that. You got him? He's home. Look, look, bitches. You got to give him your pussy soon as he come on. Give him your pussy.

That's my nigger. That's my nigger room. I grew up with him. Mr. Kuh. You know what I'm saying? It's pops. And now you know, home, I haven't seen woo. Oh, shit. And your wife texts you too

Put your life together Get your life together You know listen You listen I'm so sorry It got a little argument But listen The bottom line of the story is this

The bottom line of the world Did that affect your relationship with the NIP? No It couldn't know Because MOPP from the other side They're from Browns there It's MOP

He was the nigga that from the hell. I think everybody was kind of like... It was just... It just put the whole Brooklyn on a little tilt. It fucked up Brooklyn? Because... Why would you have a Brooklyn nigga

beefing with another Brooklyn niggins? That was the worst things you ever did? Right. Was that you what that was you? You said that? Why do you feel like it was one of the worst things you ever did? Because you felt like you could let it go? I don't think it was a...

It was a... I think we should have, as, for me, like, I look at my little homies. I'm like, all right, I'm going to ride with my little homies. You know what I'm saying? And you can give them with so much information. I'm sorry to ask in deep with that. What did your little homies tell? What did they say?

It's their, this is their project. Okay. This is their thing. And they can't be. I can't. They felt like big, heard they shit and bit it? I mean, I would just say this. they expressed some dissatisfaction with that.

This being their first time out, you know, this is their thing. They want to come out and want to, you know, they want to make a little splash. So if they hear somebody performing a song that they know they just finished creating in the studio, you know, obviously they're going to be a little bit uncomfortable about that. Because that's exactly how I heard. I'm just saying, as an industry purpose. I don't know if these guys heard the song there, but you already know, D&D was a hub, man. Everybody was in...

Anybody going on it, you know what I mean? Everybody was in different sessions, different people's sessions. But how I heard it was somebody said, Big, walked into one of our sessions. They heard it, he heard the record, and then all of a sudden, he had Easy LP, who was also my producer, and pull it up.

And I almost want to say, I asked EasyLP that, and he said, it was exactly how that happened. Yeah, because he was... I almost... It was at almost... to a point where it is was dug in under the controls booths. So that's how it was going down like that.

But it didn't escalate to that. Because at that moment it was like, you know, let me talk to or let me talk to. So did you actually work out the beat before he died? I like to think we did. Yeah, I like that last little phone call. Yeah, because it was times that, like I said, I'm from the start.

So I would be right there on the block. and beg they gotta go back to Brownsville in the East New York I'm the only in front of the shop right so it was when Big was out of town

and me and C's Nino we'd be right there and Big Cawley like you're like yo take care and it was like you're work like I'm meeting the families

of all these in and we're like yeah like I know what I know what could happen was gonna happen but I'm you know what I mean

so it's still there where our relationship as far as me and big relationship is cool, and me and my family relationship is still cool, but like I said, it felt

like it fucked up Brooklyn because it was Brooklyn niggas going against other Brooklyn niggas. It was style niggas, and it was always a beat between the veil and the stop. Is that why you already enroll? Is that why you got the Mike Tyson tattoo? You want

to tell? Like, you're going to together? No, this is just my warrior's shit. This is my warrior shit. Like, you ever seen Predator once? That's not Tyson brother's shit? No, no, Tyson got the other shit.

You got the same shit. It's Tyson-esque. I felt like he got a week of a warrior. But not, it's this sort of like, maybe like a week or a month before. Did you talk to each other? You know what I ever spoke to Tyson? Like, I used to bump into Mike, like, when I was a real, real little nigga, where he was shut down the stores on Belmont going and, and,

Everybody get a V-Goose bomber or a leather shit. Yeah, yeah. Shut it down. That was in the field. That was the only time I would bump into Tyson and he'd be like, ah, y'all, y'all little niggas like. Why? He was with the Tyson voice. He was with the Tyson voice.

Hold on you just used to beat me guys out. Because I used to box. That's why I was security for still. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guy. No, but what was it, what was you talking about? Tice Tyson. Oh, no, no.

The actual first time I bumped into Tyson was when I used to train in Marcus Garvey boxing gym. Tyson and Riddick Bow used to come through there. We had the champion Mark Breeland, Sweet Peas to come through there. And I met Tyson in a, this was way, this was right before, right before, right. during the time he was training in the cat skills. So, let me ask, thank you so much. Hold on, relax, relax. You're acting like it's your birthday.

I'm gonna take one of these on, too, man. Put my shit aside. I'm like, like what? You're like it's your birthday. It is a birthday. I know. Relax. Go.

Anybody want a tiger bone shots? Hold on. Same good. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. We still have a tiger bone. I'm in.

I got my I got to go. I got to get home so I'm not thinking of that. Let's go on. Let's go on. That shit makes you sweat, man. It don't make you sweat.

This shit gives you new life right here. New life. You still going. Gentlemen. Cheers, cheers, to life. To the eyes.

Bring it in. No. No, no, no. This is, this is, this is Doug. This is a drink chance. No. Out of eye. I'm not.

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he's doing it. Shout out. Take a poem. Big. You know, you absolutely correct. You don't need to do. Talk, two-part, but let the Tiger Boat set for one second. We spoke about big.

You got to talk about two-pac. Relax. Okay, but, you're talking about fucking mic away? Snaggett keep saying on me, right? You and Charlie got black. No, you, you and you and, no, I can't tell you. You, sorry. Too-Pon.

No, you get to my side. Same team. Don't you know. Relax. You know, what I'm saying. The niggas that can't hang. The niggins. That shit is like, look at me.

Sorry, let me ask a question. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Oh, shit. I didn't do that. Oh, it's okay for him. No, it's okay.

Then I'm gonna get him. Oh. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You're starting. You're doing nice. How was you? How was you? I didn't do it.

How once? I'm fucking. No, we have to search now. Okay, hold on, hold on. You got to ask the question. You got to ask the question. What you gotta do? What you gotta do?

What did you ask? When he was on the hot ones? He was eating him hot wings. Yeah. And after every wing they were taking shots of time. What is hot ones? See, no, the thing about it was, The thing about it was, I watched hot ones for two years straight.

So I knew exactly what it was gonna do when it was gonna do it. So I tried to bring Tiger Balls. Bring Tigerbone to offset it. But I was wrong. To offset hot. To offset hot wings? Hot sauce. That only meant it works.

And then they love up. The highest on the Scoville was like, you know, when we was in Miami, I told him I put Norrie on to Tiger Bank. Yeah, he did tell me this. It's a lot. That's not a lot. That's not a lie.

You put me on the tiger? You said, that's a lie. I don't like to. He told me the entire story. You know what I'm saying. Juice is for life. We was going to juices for life. We were just buying liquors.

And you know what? You were coming through. You're right. Listen, I know where you're going. You're right. But the problem was, I was to drink Tiger Bowman from 125th in Madison. That's what I'm saying. Prior to that.

No, no, not just like the pro. Not just like 100, you're talking about 125th in Madison. Thank you, but I said drink Tigerbone around the corner from 120. You're talking about around the corner. So I was already drinking. A tiger? What is a tiger? But you're right, you did tell me, you did, you're right, you did tell me you know we fuck with this, but I had already used to it, but I never, I never say your text, I've been fucking with this.

Because you're my man. Explanations. I remember that's half day. I remember, we was born in the backyard, he had the new port piece of it. Yeah. I said, what the fuck is this shit, yeah? Yeah. And you was about Trey and change that.

That is fat as fuck. Drink this shit, man. What's this? No, he's not lying. He's not lying. Not at one point. He's lied. He's not lying.

He's not lying. But now, let's go back to Sharm. Let's go back. Let's go back to Sharm Price White. Wants. Nonsense. Wait, wait, wait, wait, minute. Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait, wait. We're going to go. serious right now. We're going to serious right now. So Sean, other than smoking cigarettes, we don't know why is Sean gone. I'm sorry, sis. But I got to ask you. I don't know why Sean is going either, but I will tell you. I will tell you that Sean suffered with sleep apnea.

And now what is sleep? Sleep apnea is when you snore. Yep. And your heart stops beating. Sometimes you stop. breathing while you're sleeping. I mean, so who's going to explain it? I think all of us have sleep apnea that lives his life.

The pun had it, I never recognized. Well, I mean, maybe not everybody, but a lot of us. You know, I talked about it back. I talked about it because, like, it was one day I was just talking the pun and the pun just, no, that's an alkyleptia. Oh, which is different. I mean, sleep apnea is why you sleep.

Yeah. Sleep apnea too, though. Sleep apnea doesn't say it. I believe I have two dabmen. I can say it because I experienced it. Yep. It's when your heart stops beating for 30, 40, 60 minutes. Yeah, it can kill you.

There's three stages to it. But you don't know. I'm talking about normal. There's different degrees. There's different degrees of it. That's what I'm not. It's different. It's oxygen to the brain.

That's the sleep apnea. Basically. Oh, yeah. Guy, bro. You're relaxing it. You're relaxing me if you're relaxing you. This guy tells me to relax. There's two shows.

There's two shows. You got water. Decide. All right, so sleep apnea and the white drunk. What it is? No, no more. No, I'm less. No more.

No, you're not. I know I am. No, you're not. Definitely not. Count from 10 back. What's? But why not, let her talk, man? That's at 10.9.

7.6.5.4. Oh, that's okay. I'm with you. And you're with me. Absolutely. That's okay. That's the status like that. Right there.

I'm going to say this, man, when Sean passed. No, he was the first person to call that I talked to, like, right after, right, like, immediately. I was so hurt. He was one of first, man. I was so hurt. Let me tell you something about, let me tell you something about Sean Price. I get cut off my four of the time. I met Sean Price.

I knew who he was. I definitely did. But he gave me a certain amount of love, and he just kept, he had hit me, and he was like, nigga, I like you funny. Yeah. You were slum, he was slum, Lloyd.

I'm slimy, slums, yo, God, damn. You know our relationship. So he said, I'm not saying, he's slumloid. He called other motherfuckers slumloid. has a whole new meaning, and I will explain that after the album drops. So he hit me, and I was just like, damn.

And I love this nigga so much, but I wanted to spread it to the industry because I knew that he was suffering the same thing that I was suffering during the CNN. As far as what, creation, you mean? I just felt like, listen, listen, and he's right here. I'm glad he's right here. Say it.

I remember I had sampled something called Don't let it go to your head Oh Dude-to-do-do-do-do-do Brand new. I had sampled it on the war record album That's poem Came to the studio and said

That's hard I'm gonna lay a verse right now Tras came to the studio and said That's whack And Pohn said it's right, it's whack Oh, shit, my mom Right here, I don't know You're gonna call, man

What? What? He said trash, could I be? No, but I'd rather. He was right. Trash was right. Did you hear me? Trap?

No, he was right there. It didn't fit with the word. Oh, yeah, because Bradger's your joint was off the chain. His wording was wrong. Right. At that moment. The way he expressed it was wrong. He could have said it don't fit what you're doing at the moment.

Right. But he didn't. He just said it was whack. Right. And then when Pohn came, Pohn said. All right, whatever trash says. And then he was like, all right, cool, all right, cool. That's what led me to, I got to go solo.

Once he'd go to jail, I knew he was going to jail anyway. Wow. What's the kid of this? I knew he was in jail. No, I'm saying, look, for the record, look. Look, look. Listen, listen, look, look, we go through the cameras. That one, I come back.

Hey, I want to say in front of him. We're talking shit about you. No, I'm not. No, no, we are. Look. At one time, at one time I heard, stop talking to the box. At one time I heard Traj wrote your verse for, uh, what was it? T.O.1.

Is it T.O.1M. Is it T.O.W. Wagon. He's been. He's going. Is that you true? Can you go. Let me tell you something.

I'm just, that's your lap. I got this. I got this. Shut up. Relax. Oh shit. Relax. Relax.

Trag stole off publishing. Let me tell you. Let me tell you one thing. Let me tell you what. That's how that. Hold on, relax. It's going back. Relax.

Relax. Relax. Can we not talk about tragedy because I don't want to hear about it. No, no. No. No. Traged is not. I ain't fucking cool with him.

No. Oh, shit. I don't want to hear about it. All right. You don't keep it real. One thing about knowing that people always got the idea like somebody wrote this. They might have told you all that. It's not about bite your tongue.

Just chill out. I can never right. It's not for that. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not saying nothing. How about their day, mommy? Got that day.

Got that day. Your family. Yeah. I don't know what's wrong. My man. Speak away, go. Listen. Listen, I can't, I can't even father to write some shit that he write.

Right. I can't, I can't even begin to think about the shit. I know what I'm talking. You know what I'm saying? That shit is not going to happen. So for a nigger to think that I ever wrote or trash ever wrote or he wrote some shit for me. He can't rap like me. I can't rap like him.

That's what makes that special. Like, in certain groups, like, I'm not taking nothing away from Kiss and the locks and just the chemistry of him and styles P. you got, but you can put a book down sometimes

and say, I don't go what fuck, who wrote it? It sounds the same. Like, it's no differential. But don't take nothing away from styles and Jada. But when me and this nigga, come on, we,

that's not going to happen. Like, for a nigga to think that, for a nigga to think that, that, that's coming up with shit. Sit down, it's not, it's not that. That's the talk about it. That's how that one was throwing on that.

I got it. I got it. I got this. Like, let me just give you a quick example. Let me explain. And I'm going to give you this shit. Here's how that woman started.

When this album came up, the war report, I had no idea what publishing was. So when I signed for $5,000, the same way, relax. I got you, got you. Got you. I got you. I spent all my money on the motherfucketting everywhere. Hey, me too. I bet Fox and Brown.

I can't say shit. I can't say shit. Just talk. Every day. Every day. Just right here. But listen, that's the part of it. This nigga had a deal already.

Before war report. I'm not, I'm in jail still. Me and him may tell him in jail. Right. So when I came home, he said, fuck it. Let's do it together. We did it together. What's that?

What are you doing? What's going on over here? I was running out of my family. My dad homies. So what happened is down. What happened is this? I had nothing to go. I don't know what I was.

But trash stole up. He didn't tell us. That's why. But y'all already knew the trash. Me said that trashed off off. You all right. You all right. Come back to the hood.

Reggie O'S. But did you all right? Listen, Reggie O'Say. Listen, Regio O'S ain't. Listen, let me tell you, we got $20,000 for events. I'm learning some stuff there. We split $20,000 for all the money. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Did you know trash before? Of course. Oh, so you know trashed for a whole life. Okay. The reason why, the reason why, let me tell you something. The reason why we even got in a situation was because of me. I was up north. I was getting money.

My man wonderful was trying to rap. He sucked. I'm gonna nick this in the bud. He sucked. He was one of them, fuck you, bitch-ass-nigger, motherfucker.

I'm killing your mother. He was one of the nages. But he thought he was dope. He thought he was dope. But he had that guapalena. Right. I was hustler with him. He said,

Yo, Pohn, I'm going to the studio. I said, word, but mind you, he doesn't Troy, New York. So he gets to the studio, so rest of peace,

Jammaster J there, jail felony. Everybody know. Entry. No. This is in New York. This is actually... This is the same studio.

Listen, this is the same studio where Jam Master Jay got killed at. Oh, okay. So Jam Master Jay, like, trash like, my man wonderful, like, yo. My man, sit right here. Sit right here. One second. Jam master Jay, like, yo, trash like, yo. My man, wonderful, like, yo, I fuck with Capone.

So, trash, like, oh, I know, Kahan. He's for the hood. He buses is good, whatever, whatever. So my man, wonderful, like, yeah, he up. He up top of me. So he put me in trash on the phone. I'm going to let this in the bar real quick. Trash calls me,

yo, what are you doing? I'm up north. I'm getting money. Ooh, come down. I said, all, fuck it. I can't do it, maybe can't, whatever. I call him Crackhead. Cracket brings me down.

I get to the studio. We all freestyle. Me, J.O. felony. Trash. Trash. Epic. J.O. Fellon.

Oh, Jay Master Jay. With this lipstick. Jam Master Jay. Jam Master Jay doing the cuts. he's doing the cuts in the booth So, Tras, like, I don't even know you Karam. I'm like, I didn't know Karam like,

like, good enough for you to say, I'm saying, I'm like, I don't know. So, make a wrong story short. Trash, like, yo, I want to fuck with you. I'm like, I bet. He's like, you got to stuff selling drugs. That's not going to happen. You give me something where I can stop selling drugs and that's going to happen.

So a few weeks, a few months after that, This nigga comes home Hold, we said, trash says Trash says, I got self-selling drugs I said, that's another I'm gonna have You give me something Who I can stop selling drugs So then you don't bring nothing to the table

Then and all that process I'm gonna skip a whole way I'm gonna skip to me and him Because in that process You know I meet Faith Newman You know who signed Noss Who signed a Fugis

We're living with her She got the house in midtown With the pool in the basement and all, we're doing it up. So now he comes home. Now, Faith, like, I got you to deal with Columbia. Just chill. It's me.

And, um, and, uh, my man, Big El, me and Big El, at the same time, we, we roll dogging. So I'm like, I bet. She's like, I'm gonna get you on Big El tight. So me and Big El, like, yeah, we good. Wow. Hall him Big El? Hall him Big El.

So now we like, yo, we're about to get on, nigga. So me and Big Al, like, we roll it. We roll dogs. We like, yo, nigga, we got it. Faith, Newman. got us and we fucking with butt-necked tin dog. Not that's not.

This is after Nile's blew up. Yeah, this is this. This is the Nile's blue up. This is a and our tent dog. I just came on. No, he's not, I'm about to get to the podcast. This is uptown him though. You're still locked up.

You didn't come home. You didn't come home. You didn't come home. Not all. Not all. This is butt-naked Tim dog. This is who fuck with

Josie and Lousboresy. That's what they said. That's what they said? That's what they said? You know what I mean? So now they're like, oh shit, they like my shit, right? So I do a song called Get the Cream. So it's Get the Cream.

It's the only right. So now that's... My dumb ass, I let L.E.S. Hear it. That fuck with Nas from my projects. He gives it to AZ. AZ makes sugar. Sugar.

I'm a shooter at the time. These things are still thinking, like, he's not a rapper. He's a shooter. So now we go to a studio. You're right. So now we're going in the studio. We're like, we're going to come up with another record.

So I'm like, I'm like, all right, fuck it, whatever. Make a long story short, this nigga comes home. So now I'm telling trash, like, yo, fuck it. My man is home. But mind you, we're not on no rap shit. We're just in the studio. He comes to my session. We're in my session, and I'm rapping.

He's like, yo, son, you know, I get busy, right? I'm like, what? He's like, I'm like, fuck it. Let's do a racket. That's my brother. That's what we're supposed. We never in jail. We never round, nigger.

We never round together, but I skipped. the point. I took him shopping and bought a manned together. I took him shop and bought a man Tommy Hill figure shit. Definitely don't remember that part. Yeah. You got to stand up. You got stand up. This one niggas got robbed and niggas got thrown in the pool or hot school. So when he

came through the house that y'all was in together. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So now look, look, I'm going back. So now we go in the studio. So now I'm like, fuck it. Let's do it. Let's do it together. This was our first song. him on canals. My team pushed keys to her out of our canal.

Pustin our pistons and I put stiles. That's why Jada, when Jada stepped to us. I don't like that Jada has that record. I don't even know how you got that record. I don't even know. Jada stepped to us like my team pushed keys through the, I'm like, I don't know about that. So now Trag is like, yo, y'all niggas is like,

like brought him toast, your night and day. So we're like, fucker, we're going to do it together. And then from there, we signed our soul to the devil. You did what I'm saying? Try to see what were having. And then we did, we did stretch Armstrong made us. Yeah, we did, you know what? And you know what?

And the park didn't want to use it. Stretch Armstrong and said, we're doing ourselves. He went to his father and got $20,000. He shot the video and put the record out of itself. And you know what? At the end of the day, I mean. No, but he didn't want his father. But that's what made us.

And Trudge, we got the deal And Trash took all our fucking money We took $5,000. That's like, even if we did talk for my second. Yeah, you got to talk about it. Say that. Oh, I'm sorry. Yo, Katz was mad at me.

I was all hot at the time. They was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? Yo, them nigs had to pay you under the table or something. I'm like, nah, this is a good record. This was a good record. And that's one thing I will say, like. Because you was playing it, they thought. Yeah, because I was playing it a lot.

I think the first time I got it, I played it twice on the show. New York, New York was being played enough. Yeah. In the original one, on the original. But I took, but see what the thing about it was, yeah, I took New York, New York off. And I started playing L.A. L.A., because I'm New York. And, you know, one thing about me, like, I represent, I represent New York.

You know, I don't have nothing against nobody. But you did know it was. And I didn't know that. I didn't know it. It was on East Coast, West Coast Beach. It was just. It was just. Quietly, it was East Coast West Coast Beach.

You were. It was. like it was just in us but we didn't we couldn't tell or didn't know so we just responded i see that as southwalks the bridge that's what absolutely absolutely that's that's what it was that's the only reason why a prodigy took his burst off yeah if you relax i'm not dissing nobody is that it is a virgin for him why see you want our birth supremacy i got the white see i got the white said, Averick and P. King's So seen to be, mega.

I think I got that. I got word back from Norriega. I got that one. I got the one. That's what I was playing. That's the one. That's the person I was playing. I got that one.

So why did he take his verse off? Can you let me finish? No. Wait, wait for a second. He said no. Go. Now, definitely. Tech-flifted.

Nah, they're going to be together. What we're talking about. No, we're kidding, man. I was like how to finish. Yeah, guys. You're a drink, shit. Nick, a little talk. Yeah.

So, what happened was... See what we all we got? All right. My brother, what are you drinking? So, what happened was, after every verse that we spit, P was the only verse that actually felt like it went in L.A. Now, it was the only verse that actually went in L.A.

It didn't feel like it was... It was... We need a big mix down the center barbed. Can I tell the story? Can I tell you the story? Right. You can not tell the story. You can take it.

You can go. No guy. All right. All right. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax.

So listen. We told me. We said we don't know if they're going on else or not. Tell me. Let's just respond. And let's just see what happens. Liggas kick the tooth. But, no.

This is before. The buildings. Stop that, Paul. The builders came asking we dropped the record. Hey, man. They kicked the builders over in QB, man. He's actually skipping over two weeks of a phone. He's skipping over two weeks of shit, man.

What happened was they did it. I'm in LA too. Actually, we live. You said Smith and Wesson is on a new CNN album? Of course. Absolutely. But listen, here's what happened. When I say we're lying, I mean this.

Not lions, though. No, we are lying. You're lying. You're not rarer, lying. Well, here's what I mean. There was something called a DJ list. Back in the days. Yeah.

Back in the days used to be on a DJ list. And your album will come out two months in advance. Absolutely. And depending on what DJ you fucked with, you would send the DJ this album two months prior to it coming out. The Dung Pound dropped the album two months prior. I had a dude that was from my hood. His name is Chas.

I will never forget him. I love you, Chaz. With sex and two. With the glasses? With the chair? You don't got glasses. He just wear glasses. Because he that fly.

But he don't need the Chaz. And Chaz came up to me and said, yo, and he had a Panasonic radio. It was $50 at the time. That was the black shit. She put on the gate. And Chaz, in front of section, two, right-co-street street,

one, left-wrack city shit, because I'm a left-right nigga, till I die. Cheez-chis. Come on, bro. She's black. So, hold on, let me finish. So Chaz put this shit in front of the joint

and said, yo, Chaz said, you think these niggas is disilless? But chap, this was the dust egg. All right? Super dust set, right? It always like cats. It always got a dust set. It was a quiet.

We listen. We listen. Why do you think I'm trying to be funny? I'm saying, this is my nigger. Chas was section two, but this is my nigger. So, Chaz, you can talk to me.

Just walk or wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They belong. Oh, shit. You don't know what so far. I need one of those in my. So as a tour to Chas, and Chaz, and Chaz,

I'm listening. You know, yo. I'm listening. Yo, come on. Come on. You're going to go. Sorry, I'm going to go.

So Chaz should say to me, Chaz is ready to me, God damn it. Whoever these people are, they got to go. So now this time, Chaz says, yo,

did you hear the new dog pound record? Yeah. Chaz has never took spoke to me about music before in his day. like. He always

talked to me about other shit. He talked to me about seesaws. He said Seesaws, y'all. You know, I should take mescaline.

That's your friend. That's your friend. Relax. I said take shit like that. Yo. Relax. I got you. Stay over here.

My fault? So. Got you. Oh, I forgot. That's evil. I'm not about to It's from Japan But listen

So I did that And then I started to realize Oh shit When Chaz came back Because Chaz was crazy So Chaz ran to the street And he came back He said

I think them niggas is killing us This before the video It's just the record So I was like Oh shit But now mind you Stretch Armstrong text all of us It's not a text

It is a two-way correct Two-way page. So we all, mind you, I had just, I had just did what I, ever I did in Queensbridge. That's when I had. I don't want to, I don't want to claim it. So whatever I did at Queensbridge, I didn't want to go back to Queensbridge. So I went back because they told me to come. So I went back.

Then we were to stress off-strung here. So we're standing. Big other Bobby doing stretch, though, man. So we're staying there for two hours. We all went through that. We don't know what to do. So I say, yo, put up the dog pound out. And they say, why?

And I say because my nigga, Chaz, from Section 2, the Panama Building, 9722. The Panama Building. Panama Building. He had played me. He played me this record, and I couldn't distinguish if he was a diss or not. But when we inherited,

you went in. Everybody, relax, who's that? Rob, relax. So they said to me, are you sure as a disc and we can't I can't distinguish if it's a disc

Capone didn't distinguish a disc, Prodigy can distinguish it this Habit in this thing was a discreet tragedy can distinguish It's five of us Right

The only person that went in What's prodigy? What's prodigy? He said JFK on our way to LA You know how he is though SIPs And it took his first off

Soon as soon as the niggas kicked over the buildings And he thought him was going to be Remember, hold on Them nays are shot at them You're gonna shot at them You guys are bad

I'm gonna pass it off to you Word is born You know World is brought So So When When

When When When Prodigy says Or anybody says We sent them niggas versus And we didn't want to deal

Do business with them And any person They're alive a liars. Because. Liars. No, it's true. I'm not saying it because my brother's here.

I'm saying it because my brother's here. But I'm quitting this great guy right here. But I got you. Well, look. Come on to. Come on there. But he says, people who said something that said

equivalent to we sent them the verses. Hell. That is a lie. Hell no. First off, we wanted to kill him when he took the problem. The Pock verse off. But all of us fell back

because the only person Park ever did was him. This is our brother. We never did that. That whole shit was manipulated. Yeah. Which part? I like you, drunk.

Because you definitely don't make sense, but I'm back. Yeah. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? The whole track. The whole track is manipulating. LA, L.A. L.A.

Yeah. That's the best bottle of it. We didn't get what was supposed to happen. Now, see, but you got to realize? No. In actuality, we got the original. Nah, but listen. No, the way he explained this.

No, but the original. The effect, you got a real life. Street's got the original. You want to be this. There's two versions out there. We got that. I got both. I got the original.

I got the one-lay-in-law. Yo, I face-time Noree last week about it. And he looked at the screen and just turned around, and I didn't hear from him again. But anyway, listen, there's one with the dog pound beat. Which is the one? There's one where y'all remade the dog pound beat. Yeah, yeah.

I got that right. And then there's a Molly Moore. I'm not talking about three verses and a beat. What the fuck are you talking about? The verses. The verses. One, because Prodigy. One, because Prodigy was the only one who took his verse off.

And guess what? That's respectful, though, right? Because he knows. No. It was the only one that Park win at. If you think about it, Pop never said, but he didn't want that was...

He was going to have to shoot it back. Has, Google, if Park said, Puck said, fuck a porn or no reaction. Never. Never. It doesn't exist. And the thing about it, even if he wanted to sales,

he said, fuck Mar-deep and the mother-niggas. You got to your fist? You could have been the other niggas. But so what? You just say that? Let's talk about him. But we just had them out.

I'm gonna say this and I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm a show right here, but yo, Vibe magazine did that whole shit, bro. What's the East Coast?

Look, look, love. See what I'm saying? No, no, let me tell you what I'm saying? That was press.

That was the full of Vibe magazine. Yeah. They're so brutal than ever, though. Listen, listen. But it was a fall of fucking hip-hop. And they killed people. That was the fall of Vibe magazine as a print because you got to realize,

right? When you, that right? I don't think so. That shit bought federal investigations. That shit bought indictments. That's what you call it. That's what you call open up a can of woodhouse.

That's the culture coaches, though. That's cultural. People died over that dumb shit. He died over that dumb shit. Spider magazine, never been to say that after that. He has a newborn son he has to get home to. Pretty much. He's going to go.

Jewelah. You live right. You live on. Sit, sit back there. I leave to me. I leave to that. He's been drinking Tiger Bulls. He's a bunch of Morrano.

If you have a good, like, I was there to. There's a bunch of black men who made and start the boy, been drinking Tiger Ball. Let him sit right there. Come on. Come on. Come on. See, right here.

You know, you know, I'm kidding. You are adding to static to stay right there. Oh, shit. You cannot make them share a seat with static. You better not share a sheet with static. No, let me share a sheet with static. Hold on. Cheechy.

Get there, yeah. Static, you better not share a seat with him. The fuck is going on there Hey We need No no hold up hold up hold up one One second one One second one

One second We're ready to drink chants right now Listen you're seeing And E Holy fuck boys No no Nah nah Nah nah

No please relax I'm telling you right now Please relax That's what happens That's what happens That's what happened Oh No no look at his face

You're going to go. I give me that E. My brothers. My brothers. Let me do you. So let me live. Let me live. My mother.

Let me live. Let me live. You're my mother. Yo. I know. I know. I know. I know.

Y'all were the last dudes that hung out with Pock. Yes. Tell us that like, like the, like. We're still recording as a regular. We're recording, brother. It's a Pock. Yeah. to it.

All you're going to be able to conduct an interview right now. There you go. My brother, we could go. Go, let's go. Come on. Yo, I wish we had stuff like this back when I was on. Listen to me. Listen to me.

Everybody, stop. Stop. If you ever been in static selection. Hold on. Let you get in. Stop. It looks pretty much like this. You're going to stop screaming.

That thing is like that. No, no. No. But I'm Cuban. Cuban. Shut the fuck up, God. Cuban. Let him go.

He's Cuban, beat. What are you just saying? Oh, he's Cuban. Yo. You know, friend, Sean P was on my album. This is my brother.

Missing peace. Yeah. No, no, no. You got to try to have the offense. Thank you, brother. If you don't trust in God, trust in the event. No, guy, what the fuck?

You think I just said? This is done. It's rap. You don't. You don't. I'm mumble rap. You should watch all right. No.

No, we're talking about Pock. Oh. Yes, Park was on my album. Thank you, Capone. No, you want to. I want to pop. Mother fucking jump off, joins. Listen, no, real talk, real talk. Now, stop, stop, stop.

It's my birthday. I can fuck with you. You, birthday, boy. Yes, sir. I can fuck with you. Real talk. Y'all were the last, one of the last people to fuck with with Park. You.

You. You definitely know with me. You're about to get that. Hey, you too. I'm gonna fuck with you. Hey, Buddy Roe. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Relax.

He's calling Buddy Ro. Who are you with? Oh, yeah, Chitie. Who invited you? Oh, my God, I'm gonna fucking. He with me. He with me. I'm just asking.

Hey with me. All right, there you all. That's what you're asking. So, why you have to do that? Relax. Relax. That's what you had to say. We had to sit around.

I'm going to press that. That's why. That's why you get me. I had to do with that. I had one. That's why you get me. That's why you get me. I said you out of here.

As you were, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're in respect us. Now you want me to respect?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I want your respect. All right. Let's go. Let's go. We're talking about Park right now. Park and y'all.

Let's do it. All right. What's talking about the relationship with Park and y'all? Seafood. The music of genius. Because you have more than that. For me, for me,

For me, I don't, for me, I don't, when it comes to interviews, when it comes to interviews, for me, I don't, hold on, hold on, tech, tech, because y'all receive a lot of slack at one point, tech, tech, tech, let me just say this, y'all received a lot of slack at one point. And pot said, fuck everybody. Pots, call me, please, be quiet. Yo, like this. You go on an hour. What's he doing it over there? Who? Got a phone.

What are they asking for? Putty tang. Yeah, call me in an hour. Yeah, call you in two hours, bro. What the fuck? He said call me an hour. So y'all, yeah, hold on, you guys received a lot of slack.

Once Pop, shit it on the East Coast. See, what happened? Let me, let me, let me describe the situation. Pop shit it on the East Coast. Fock did it. And the only people he claimed was you guys.

He was like, Smith, where's my name's? They must have been down. Down the motherfucker. You know what happened? Explain that for the people that didn't know. What happened was, I don't know if they caught what we was just talking about

in the midst of the Rockers but the magazine and everything. What happened? Because when we first got like, you got, Smith and Weston, we was we was not discredited in black

Moon or EO Buck Smith and Wesson, we was all street niggas. We was all street niggas. Like I'm coming from the style. Like I bring my motorbike up to the This one we was killer bin. Fort Green niggins was, this was this one I was in, in Fort Green with resting in peace, juju and niggins was losing

Rollies in a tunnel. This is, I was probably the youngest thing that was all of them. Yeah, I'm just saying it. I was a young We went from who got the prox to who got the glocks. When we came on, it was guns out of blue. It was guns out of gold. For me, coming from the style, I can't, I live in a brownstone. I own my brownstone.

My family has generations in a brownstone. So coming from the style to theville going to the projects, you always got to be gripped up. We coming from, we coming from, I'm coming from a tree-line block. If I'm on a motorbike or a pedal bike I'm coming up to hill to see my brother Big up to Chattown, Chicago I'm coming to see my brother We got killer better in this project

We got 50 over here We coming and I'm coming and we like Son what's happening? So when I get to theville It's like a change of weather Because I'm leaving a stop I'm trying to get from my hood To experience something different

So when I leave the start and get to theville And it's like oh son You man over here And we got... It's going crazy. It's by to go crazy. We got everything. We got this building and that.

It's only... We got four builders and set up. We got four projects. You know what I'm saying? And we got niggins in all the buildings. But when he comes through as a best eye cat, they ain't ever seen the best eye cat. He got way out of love.

He got way out of love. He coming through when the dirt bikes with no helmet on. The shit got the engine ripped off and everything. He comes through like, that's your man. I'm like, yeah. How you know something? And we like, yeah. We like, yeah.

We like, you know, from down hill, up to hill, you know. So when Brow's, when MOP talking about up to hill, down the hill, that's the same hell? No, no, no. Because, MOP is from theville. So they're talking about up the hill in theville and downhill in theville. When I say down to here, I'm talking about Pross Atlantic. Into the style, like, Brevoid was sad, but from. We're talking about Park right now.

Y'all, give us all that, but give us the Park side of this. The Park side. Two Park. We brought up, that's what we've served this. I didn't say the park side. I'm not even, you know what happened? What a lot of people? Paul McCona, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of people, they leave out and his Tupac, um, the outlaws. Like, outlaws is from Jersey. A lot of them is from Jersey, you know what I'm saying? All of them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we say that.

All of them is from Jersey. And we write that we know of, yeah. And if you, and if you ever, if you were a New York, if you ever been in New York, if you ever been a trip. If you ever been in Trenton, you ever step in them dirty swamps? You already know what it is. You already know how to give it up.

So, where we, you know what I mean? Like dudes get money out there. And, you know, you got family members out there. So I think they spawned the whole thing. And then, you know, when Tech put that real kite out to dudes,

you know, he put the real. Like, that kite was so real. Like, I don't think you motherfuckers understand what we talk about when you say that kite when Pott got that letter. So it came from that? I don't know what it was right.

I think I'm the one that brought that kite up. Like, like, I'm the one that recognized like that. Flip it, flip it. Which way, slam? Yeah, see the logo. I see the logo. I see the logo. I see the logo.

But listen, like, that kite was so real. Like, and it was like, not too many motherfuckers sent kites to pop and got responses back from pop. and for y'all to be one of the few people who had corresponders in the pen like that shit what I want to know

is when he came out and he was on his like straight like fuck bad boy fuck this nigga fuck that nigga shit Maybe he wasn't on that You got asked him that You didn't give me a chance

Come out there You said he came out Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax When he came out

Relax Relax, relax. When he came out, did he ever say, y'all my brothers, y'all like Zend? Nah. So when it was fuck bad boy, he said fuck bad boy and did a record with him at the same time. Oh, no, I don't have any conversations.

Listen, you're not. Listen, you're not. Let me explain what I just said. No, no, that's explain. You just fight. I can't get between CNN right now. No. This is what I see.

The war report. In CNN? Absolutely. Well, let me talk about it. At the same time when he said, fuck New York, he actually had a record with Smith & Western. That's because it wasn't just a record

that he was trying to do with Smith & Western. It was a album. It was an album that was in progress that we were working. It was a One Nation project. It was a One Nation project. It wasn't just that. It was bugger. it was Greg

Nice It was Been working on that Yeah Wait wait Wait wait All that fuck New York Came

Yeah Yeah When we got there Pop was never Screaming Fuck New York Because we were In the crib

At the height When it was supposed To be The East Coast West Coast battle Like niggas Would come up From death row

And drop Literally Paper bag money On the tail And be like Yo Sunset Meet him here

Meet him here Meet him here We get to the airport and probably be like, yo, we ain't all on the same plane? Rip the tickets out of get the fuck out of here. Did he bop right out of the airport? We ain't going.

So it was never a time where he felt like he was bigger than us or he was more than us where he would leave us behind. Because we would pull up into a gas station in L.A. and everybody would be shrapher. And they'd just be like, yo, what the fuck? What's that? Why are you pulling?

That nigga could be in a coma sleep just coming off the set of two movies. As soon as the van stop, he's waking up. Yo, what's happening? Where we at? Where we at? He's like, oh, we're just coming to get gas. And they could do a quick 360, bong, bang, bang, bink. All right, yo, you know what? Let's go.

We can't stop here. But nobody understand why this nigger mentality is like that. But if you've been hit up five, six, seven, eight times, and you automatically stop it in a, and they get just saying, we just, you know what I mean? We're getting gas. We don't get fucking gas. We ain't never stop.

He didn't get gas before you got me. Yeah, why all of a sudden we stopped to get gas? He's supposed to get gas before you got my eyes. So the mentality would be different. But it was never, when we was with pot, it was never a fuck New York, fuck big, fuck the East Coast. It was never nerdy.

But during that time, there was there was, before I hit him up, there was actually a record where it was like, No, it was part of the one hit them up. No, oh. No, prior to that.

That's, that's the one of that. No, that's prior to that. And it was, it was a record. You, it was you guys. I think you was on it. Nah. Now Seifle. Couldn't have been, yeah.

In fact, you're fat of being bill with us. Yeah, no. Because before. before that, we haven't even recorded with pop. Right, but we only got down there and started... That record.

What record are you talking about? You got my mom made up. Mom made up. Yeah, we wasn't on that. No, I wish I was on that show. That was y'all record. No. The fucking crazy was the rumor is

I was on, when the chorus on El Mirren. Come on. Chill out. We was here. because music is so broad and the rumors make a lot of the music and a lot of the artists like I remember when we first dropped not to say it was a bunch of funny different people they've been getting robbed in the industry

but we ain't know about it because we wasn't in the industry but when we got our industry yeah we was robinet but when we got in the industry and was able to go back Right, when you was able to go back to the hood and tell niggas I saw if other niggish was and they was getting robbed, it was different.

Word. So when niggas was doing them type of records, you was like, nah, that's not, it wasn't understandable to the people outside, but we understood because we was the people that was making the records and bringing it back. Can I ask y'all question?

I, when the whole Asian Jack... Absolutely. When the whole Asian Jack and all that shit was going on, did y'all ever get caught up in the mix? We never got caught up in none of that. We never got caught up in none of that. That was like real for Brooklyn. Yeah, because...

That was real for Brooklyn. We are Brooklyn niggers. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm not going to say the names that was there, but those were niggies that was over us. We came up in gang life, Decepticons. We came up in niggas. We came up and niggas

getting popped in the stomach or popping niggins at 59th Street train station. You see a nigga on the steps with a 357 hole in his stomach. Even hard, like a nigga can't breathe. And when a nigga said, yo, your waves ain't better than mine, I got a

punch a nigga in his mouth just to prove to him. Yo, I'm not a pretty name, all. Niget. Like, my son was wrong. I wasn't the rapper. He was the rapper. Yeah. Anything that he did, I was riding with him.

That's what son. Niggin, you can't touch him. You can't do nothing to him. He was also, he was also like a stunt guy. What the fuck is that? You know, that do shit that nobody else was. My body matrix was built different. He was cute.

He had a shotgun tie to a movie, son. This is not a video. This is not a video. This is a shrieg around my neck. Sort of shoddy. Look, love. Coming through the PJ. For me, big of the big old

For me, I was a C-horn I was a dice game I was Look, look what you're For me? For me, right, an hour era Because we all grew up in a tunnel. Dig it.

Oh, you know, the town is My wildness in the tunnel. I had so many. I had so many. Let me just Let me just tell you what Brooklyn run down for the tunnel was.

He's disrespecting us. Coming from Brooklyn to go to the tunnel every Sunday night. First of all, if you didn't leave with a bitch to fuck Sunday night, something was wrong with you. Yeah. All right. So from Brooklyn, this is what we would do. Boom.

Wake up, hit the gym, workout. Boom. Get a swall on. Boom. Slow on. Boom. For the gym, we go to the barbershop. Line is fresh.

Chris. Boom. From the barbershop, we shoot in Uptown, 1.45. Get that. Well, I would see Luke Brasi. Get that, get that. Selling T-shirts, a nigga either buy A-Solo, Vosos, some Thames, or some iceberg. We're going right into iceberg.

See, my nigga, yo, what's up, son? Oh, son, we got the new Snoopy. Nah, I don't want the Snoopy today. Iceberg. Yeah, I don't want the Snoopy today, sir. Oh, we got this. Boom, all right. Match me up.

We go. I get the outfit from 145. By the time, we ain't even get nothing to chop up a d'clock. You're nice. As soon as we come out the store for 145th, police pulling us over. Woo-woo.

That's that bottom right there. There's body bags. As soon as we come out of one-four-fifth, police pull us over. What y'all got? But we ain't even got nothing. We ain't, we ain't even caught.

We can't to get closed. We can't get closed. When the dime bags of haze was like... Like that, yeah. Yeah. So I'm buying 10 dime bags of haze. This is when I was smoking. We're buying 10 don't bags of hayes.

You get money in Brooklyn. Then we go into the other store on the corner of one, four, fifth, buy another outfit from there, take it back to Brooklyn, start a Celo game, went about $1,500, park on the corner of Myrtle and Clinton, and then now we're going on 7, 8, 9, 10 o'clock. Get a bottle, and hanny, some bottles, and honey, boom, boom, boom. Niggas, it's coming out the hood now. Yo, what's up, what's up?

You know what time is, go to tunnel. Yeah. Now we're rolling out four or five cars deep to the tunnel. Bing, we get to the tunnel. Soon as we pull up on the Kabul block, it's the line around the corner. Yeah. And it was like, you know what? Son, pull up around this way.

It used to be a part of the lot where you had to go up the hill into the corner of that shit. I was driving the SC 400 to put the pearl white up in there. Fact. Come back down. So how many of you were? There's only about 15, 10 of us, 10.15. That's what Jessica was from here. 1015 of us, the big king.

You gave her hell. Even son that dude. You know my nigga? What's son that dude the dog? training now. The Kane Corso's. Oh, the big dude, the The driver. Alpha. Alpha. Yeah, be out there.

Remember Alpha? He'd be out there with the car. It was 10 of us, 15 of us. Boom. Now, my first best shit of the tunnel. Alpha knew that Kung Fu. I remember. He's the Kung Fu. I remember one day, we was

in the tunnel. Who the fuck was performing? I'm going to say Onyx. I want to say Onyx was performing. But John Roo was walking on the ball That was on the floor Yeah On the floor

You know how the ball was set up in the tunnel Jai was walking on the ball With no shirt on Like But this is red This was tunnel days And then we were looking at belly We like, damn we run up into the bathroom

Bing Bing, bong Man women got assaulted in the tunnel That's a man But it was different It was different Some little niggas was born It was different And it would never be another spot

Like the tunnel I don't even fuck what city is in It would never be another spot Like the town It's how the light So my baby Mars For beating that bitch up in the That's a lot of Lacket cap

I remember We used to get it popping Before flexes Right now Your mom's had you Because she got Wased away Front of time

Let me take you some. Let me take something. Don't be mad at us. About the tunnel. And I'm going to say this live on air. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But this was like the prime time of the tunnel.

And I had just, it was a source awards in Cali. And this is the source awards. everybody got robbed. And when Shug did it, if you ain't used to the niggins, I was in New York. That was in New York. That was in New York when Shook got that. That was in New York.

Oh, you said, Cali. That's where I first came out. Okay. Worse or up? Okay. Worse or rough. This is my first came out. Yeah, I busted around.

I'm on the floor. I was out in LA when that. This is real. On the floor. Speak on the road. No. Yeah. Speaking on the street.

No. You're about to speak on that, right? So, please. I saw it. I saw exactly everything you guys said and then

moving on from there when we moved on from there I never seen nothing all I saw was we were trying to have fun but that those days

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