Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ EPMD | (Ep.98)

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary EPMD!Hip hop royalty is in the building as the legendary duo joins the Champs for an unforgettable episode! In this throwback episode, Erick Sermon and Parrish Smith take fans on a journey through the rise of one of rap’s most influential groups, sharing stories from their early days, the creation of their timeless catalog, and the challenges that came with being one of hip hop’s most successful duos.With drinks flowing and memories pouring out, EPMD reflects on the business moves, friendships, rivalries, and lessons that helped shape their legendary career. The conversation dives into the highs and lows of maintaining a group dynamic, the evolution of hip hop culture, and their impact on generations of artists who followed in their footsteps. Erick and Parrish also open up about past misunderstandings with fellow rap legends, industry politics, and the respect they earned as pioneers of the golden era.Packed with classic stories, behind-the-scenes gems, and plenty of laughs, this episode is a must-watch for true hip hop heads. From Def Jam history to iconic rap moments, EPMD delivers a masterclass on longevity, authenticity, and what it takes to remain legends in the game.Make some noise for EPMD !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on September 25th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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come on, somebody responsible will answer. Put him on speaker. Right now, when it comes to two-man groups, if it wasn't for them, yeah, who have been got the right? Yeah, who up? We got the white child. You got to relax. All right. When I come to two man groups, if it wasn't for these two brothers right here standing in front of us,

I don't think that me and this brother, to the left of me, would even exist. Not at all. These guys not only stood the test of time when hip-hop, you had to be a real MC. Meaning, you had to know how to rhyme. You had to have to know how to do beats. You had to do all of that. And these guys are the impedit epitome. Epitome.

There you go. Of that. You guys stood this test of time. You stuck together. I know where it's rough because it'll be rough fucking with this nigga. So I know it's rough. It's good to see him too. And it'd be rough for him fucking with me.

It's not like I'm perfect. Right. It'd be rough for him fucking with me. But the thing is, you guys stood together for over the times. You stood together. You represented Long Island Strong. Right now in the building with drink champs We got my personal favorite group E-mother fucking P-MD make some no

I want to take it to the very beginning. Yes Because first off just the name E-P-M-D How did how what was your thought process when you say we're gonna be a group because everybody Prior to that they didn't have names like that Well Paris got the real I'm gonna give you my thing to at the end I just figured that I tell you by all the time. Run the MC is who we

look after. Me and Paris drove to Manhattan to buy Sucker MCs from Long Island. You know, when the first thing came out, we drove a car. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, Paris, you know, figured that, you know,

Eric and Parrish, you know, we wanted to make money, so EPMD making dollars. But Run the MC, again, you could tell ROND, you know, we took the line, the whole logo, the whole thing. And the English show.

And, you know. was okay with it. So he's like, yo, go ahead. Because you guys were actually on Def Jam and Run DemC never was on Dev Jamming. Is that correct?

Yeah, we end up being no different jam later, but we was managed by Rush. Oh, Rush Management. Okay, that's what I'm getting confused. So when we got managed by Rush, Leo took it, because it was spelled E, P, E, E, M-D. Right.

I should have heard this story. Hold on. Hold on top. What I was saying that again? I'm sorry. He just went on my head. The first thing, it was spelled E-E-E-M-D. And when we got signed the Rush,

he changed Management They changed the And the logo And got the guy Hayes Yeah Hayes Yeah famous guy now

And art Who changed the logo to Four letters And look it up like that That's crazy Because parents call himself I'm the P-W-E M-D-E

That's what So we In the rhyme We spelled it that way You know Because we figured it It was like that On that

That's my wife It's my wife Hey hey mom And look That's mama love That's mom-a-law Okay. Brother-in-law, come on.

Yo, I ain't in front. I think no, I'm going to see. There's a lot since I saw you went overseas. You know, you're bougie overseas, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's different. You're different. You gotta work up to this. No, but you're dipping overseas, though.

He jumped right into it. He just right into it. You know, you're not a different person, you said, you know. You're headlines overseas, it's a whole big thing. I came up before him, you got to a hour. The music was louder. I'm like, what is this? Let people know it greens.

This is how you know. This how you know. Good people. Because, you know, I see the story a totally opposite way. A totally opposite way. You know what? What the fucking how I see that?

I want to keep it between y'all. Because at that time, when you guys came out, it was a tough time in hip-hop. Meaning you actually had to really, really be good. Like right now, these people would say, and they could get on. That's not the time you guys came out. No question.

When you guys came out, you guys actually had to know how to rhyme. You guys formed a crazy crew, but I just wanted to describe those moments how hard it was back then to these young guys. And you've got to take a shot. Yo, no?

I'm sorry. Listen. Yes. You know, basically us coming from Long Allen, you know, being against Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, we always felt we had to work harder. But once Public Enemy dropped, then Rock Kim and Wine Dance dropped.

You know, Warker's from Wine Dance. I went to Wind Dance one day, and it was six bodies out there. They kept barbecuing. They kept barbecue like, this is nothing. They're like, yo, come on, Norvie, you got to keep all that. What? There's six bodies on the floor. And this is the time that people thinking,

little house and soul. And I was like, no, they got it confused. No question. So me and E always just, you know, kept our pen down feeling like, you know, you had Kara Rest Wong coming from the Bronx, you had Big Daddy cane, you had Slick Rick, Lottie Dottie. So when we came in, you know, we just wanted to have that impact. Always felt that we had to work harder and then at the end wind up coming off. Now let's take it to this. Slow down, baby. Slow down, baby. Right. Like, bam, what, so down, man.

Say, blah, what? I don't know what summer that was. Yeah. But I know y'all control that whole fucking, whole summer. In the 91. Ninety-one. Yeah. We were tight back there, though.

The world was going to war. We just got off a sleeping bag records on the deaf jam. Yeah, that first time, yeah. Wow, that was your first Def Jam record? Yeah, Kaleo, they had, they had, they had, uh, audit the record we was on, which is fresh. Sleeping Back, right? It was nice and smooth was on the label, too. We had a pretty good label.

Wow. was on there, Craig Matt was on there with the first single. Mantrax. Zoom, Zoom, Zoom. Mantrax. We had, um, Paris take it because Paris was dead. I wasn't even, I'm on Rampage. It was just him and how, go ahead.

Yeah, so basically in between, we got caught in between labels. But they was like, yo, keep working though. Wow. So it was like, wow, we kept the legs moving. Then we went in the studio. We put down the rampage because the way we was feeling. We felt like our album was going to be held up. You know, most people was like, yo, you got, you got,

passed the sophomore drinks with unfinished business. So Eric and I was like, yo, you know what? You see the cover? We're standing in the swamp with the guns pointing at us. You know, the helicopters above and then the rampage. Because that's the same album as I'm mad. Here's a little story. The whole album, a manslaughter, was a bunch of...

What made you guys when I'm work with L.L? But Leo and them put L.L. on us. Oh, because you know why? This is the reason why I'm telling you, as an outsider looking in, because I really wasn't a part of hip-hop. I was just a fan. I was the guy on the benches. And at that time, Al was kind of crossover, and you guys were kind of representing the underground hip-hop.

But you just hit it just now. The reason why, Leo and them felt that El should be on this lane. So when Mama said, we're Leo and Russell. Leo and Russell. So you heard the next album. Yeah, Mama said knock you out. Exactly. Right.

It was all street. What is the Panther, everything came on. So after hanging, he said, hang with these guys. and then Molly and then bang that album came out because you guys was like the official you guys were the original

mob deep the original MOP and what I mean by that is the audience that you guys brung out at that time was super street like I was scared of you I kind of still scared of y'all

well look because I'm a fan but at that time that's why I always wondered like why did they have L because now I'm We had for Queens, but Elle was kind of like, you know, doing it and doing it. Like, he was like, you know, he was different. Yeah, but the, Elle was still tar.

Tall, exactly. All right. Given Sunday, like the movie, you're going to get at you, bruce, do that. And so we knew that. Right, we knew that. And on Randpage, we wanted to bring the challenge. You know, we even got this Lord of Mampage and we're like loving it. What?

That's what you know. No, I guess you know. Well, well, well, first of all, let's get. Well, let's get back, because we just had L. We just had L. We just had L. Let's get up to the, I was on the DM with El just about two hours ago. But let's get back to the first beef, but his parents had the squash. The first beef we had was the rockin beef.

This is the bar. I was getting to that. Yeah. Thank you for going there first. The Rock Kim. How did this happen? This is Long Island Beach. Right.

Because we're two towns away. Right. Okay. Rock Kim is my mentor. This is, to me, I'm like, when I heard him, I thought it was Rock Wind. Somebody was like, yo, some thing is, Rock Wind came out. Why? Rock wins.

That's what I thought. That was hard. All of a sudden... Shane Big, you got to relax. All of a sudden, he was two towns over. So, the record came out. So me and Paris were like, yo, this is the most illish shit we ever heard.

The Red Alert came the next day and played Nobody Beasts a Biz. That was another big-ass record. Nobody beats the best. Nobody beats the best. Yeah, your nigs got to relax. But Rock him had, I ain't no joke. You can get a smack for this.

I ain't no joke. Paris came back and said, like a dink smack. you smack me and I smack you back. Not knowing, not. Not, not. I was just right. You're serious. You know, the fraud.

I was just right. Wait, time. Time on. Right. I never caught that, man. Right. Yeah, but the two towns did because it's Long Island.

Okay. And Ron Kim made this shit called Father Lee and said A brother said, dig him, I never dug at me killing father leader, nothing else so I drug him in the Dainser zone.

So he went. And I'm winning. I can't, not fucking with him. Just keep him. Poundage was incredible. We're not fucking with him, though. So he comes on the 25th anniversary of the East West Coast shit. Doesn't in front of us shakes the mic, and rolls it like dice.

Like, you know, like, and rolls the mic. To y'all? I don't know. Just because he was robbed. Period. So it used to be a club cause of the building in Manhattan. Okay. Right?

So him and pals is at the bar talking. This is how you know old niggas came out. Those old genders, like, I remember building. Like, we talked. So him and P had the bar talking, and Pete said, yo, E, let me talk with you with you quick. So Pete called me over, and he squashed the beef. Right there in the bar.

Was Rai there? Yeah, he was right there. That was the first one. We had a couple. Oh, no, the first one, did they... You had beep on them do twice? They caught me in the building by myself, Noree, on the 40th floor.

Yo, it was looking like... Wait, who caught you by this? It was looking like the following. Oh, cream. Cream and the horrific. It was all to it. Rocking the Sensitism. She's like, yo, E, you stressing me. I never even heard that word.

Stressing me. You know, it's out the blue. You want it, so I'm looking, I'm waiting for I'm like where he's at. Yeah, I'm looking for, yeah, he's late. I can't find them nowhere in the building. So I was like, yo, let me check in the spot where we never go. You know, you got all these wings.

We don't go in that wing over. I keep moving. I walk past the door. I kind of I'm in and Eric and Raq Kim is like this, nose to nose. And I'm the way, Burbank, who had to work? We were in Burpardell's office. So we're up there. Oh, that's a couch. Yeah, yeah, all of us.

Blurban. Look at it. Look at it. Burpadell's a rich. You don't know Burbankedale as you rich. I'm sorry. Yeah. So once I seen that scene, I already knew it was a situation.

Yeah. You know, big respect to Raq Kim. I was like, basically, I don't even know what's going on in here, but I'm going to do. But the scene didn't look correct. Must be in the misunderstanding. Rock Kim was smooth with it and we rolled out. But when I got there and I asked Rob, I was like, yo, what's up?

He was like, nah. Like he said, he said, nah, your man stressing me. I was like, yeah. What did that mean? What did that mean? We know what it mean now, but it wasn't in the hip-hop slang yet. It wasn't in the slang yet. He wasn't in the last.

That's a late term. Right. He didn't know that came out. He came out early with that. And he said, he said that to you. Yeah, to me. to me. About me, period.

He was the one who had the problem. You know, something happened, too. Something happened with the album, and he's my mentor. So what happened was, I just told the girl, I didn't like the new one, like, I liked the past albums. And it came back to him somehow. You know, not that.

I was like, yo, how can I dish you when I'm, on one side of the tape, I got half an hour with the egg people president. The other side is Bismarkey. Like, I talk about you. all the time. But why is that always like that? Why is it always like our, we can't get along with us.

Like, why is that it? Yeah, but it's the people around it that start the beep. You don't got no beep. Your friends don't start to do you're just like Queens, right? Queens you know, Core Mega will have beef with Naz or Nause will have beef with a, I don't know, I'm just making

examples. A Capone, but then in actual, actually we're all together. So why do we can't get along with each other? Like, when I look at Compton, I'd be like, damn. Sometimes, you know, they're all beefing with each other. And I'm like, damn, why is it like that for our community? Yeah. Well, I think probably because we wasn't advanced with the business and we had to learn. So we was dealing with a business that was more than advanced than us. We were just coming up out of the hood.

So as years go on, we learned the game. We know the game. But for the new cats, they don't know the game. So they learn in the game. And inside of that, that's where the miscommunication and the little funny business go down. I don't know. Now what? But me and Q was mad friends. As a matter of fact, it was tight. No, no, no. Cube on our tour bus.

When you broke it with NWA, Paris told them how to do it. That's right. To what? To break up, to leave the group? Well, in the way, Condon. Well, you just had to be out of the year. We've been in LA for like two months because we, you know, you got to show, West Coast Base. He opened up for us, like, for introducing us as a group on a Lou Skywalker tour.

And then he went to LAW on a tour. You're in your way because he's working with the old-againamia. Yeah, then he came to you up. Exactly. That's all 200 of the bunch of people. But after five days. So, so, so, so, so, yeah, you gotta relax. So, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.

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In the West Coast. We was parked in the West Coast. He came on our bus and just stayed for like four or five days. Wow. But while we was riding, it was shows. Wow. And he stayed on your bus. Yeah.

So we started rapping, you know, started camping. You know, started kicking in. But when I was in LA, he would come pick me up in Suzuki, go to crib and go chill. Let's make some noise for Zizu. All right. I got to. I ain't gonna lie.

I poured y'all shots, I'm sorry. Yo, you know why? Because, you know, it's nothing. Let's take one. Yeah, just nothing more that I would like to do in my life. Don't drink. Get drunk with 8 p. And say, slow down, baby, go.

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To see you. in the sea home, right? I'm just happy. But we always, not been behind the gun, but always been the people who somebody who said they ain't going to do it again. Or the crews we had, every rapper that we had,

they wasn't good enough. And then we showed the dots effects, and we showed Reggie, we showed murder, we showed solo. Every one that was behind the gun. Nobody, we got turned down by death jam, turned by a lot of labels, but we believed in them.

going over here to you you chose to do something and people probably were looking at you like you was crazy I'm just sidebar so you know I did that I was real with me in my car saying that I know it because even if I didn't know it I felt it like yeah motherfuckers I love it that you had me underneath the picture

because the game then changed but look at me now I change with the game look at my new check yes it's very real it's very real Look at my show. Look at the guests who's coming to see me. Yes, and we having fun.

I think he said, yeah, I had to come. He had to come. He had to come because he said he cut 100. I had to come because you hot. The numbers. You know, it was that much feeling like, so I felt that for him. That's why I said that. That's what I'm tired of.

And you know, and you know, make some noise. And I'm going to add on to you, because our culture, like I had went to a counten's office. I had went to a counten's office. I went to accountants of us. And I've seen Mick Jagger, all these other white guys, they're touring, and they celebrate that they talk. Yes. They celebrate that they've been in this game for 20 years. Yes.

But hip hop, once you have 10 years, they call you old, they call you washed up. They say, you don't got it no more. Right. And I just, I just, I just want to play my part of saying, you please tell these people to be quiet. I just want to play my part of changing that for hip hop. Because the more, and it's awesome that you brought up Europe, the more old school you are in Europe, the more they love you. They love you in Europe.

So why we can't reverse that? The coach them. And make that shit. Because the thing about it is, if it wasn't for EPMD, there wouldn't be a mob, D. They wouldn't be a Capone of New York. They wouldn't be an MOP. So why shouldn't that be celebrated?

Because we came up differently. Don't begin. white folks don't say old school Mick Jagger, Old School Roller Stone, old school Sting, Old School McIagher. It's just a name. We got to put the age on it. I heard one rapper tell, said about four years ago, Jason needs to stop rapping and give somebody else a shot.

No, you got to step their game up. You know, if you figure that he wasn't supposed to be here. You know, we're the only coach a fucking Barbara Strace here and was 72 just dropped the album with number one. Former McCarty's still getting Grammys. It don't matter. They look at their culture. They look at them and they still give them props and enjoy them.

And they grow with them. As they grow. I told you, you're a legend. So nobody should disrespect that. Like, somebody says to say, listen, what are we doing now? I'm still touring. Right. I know that.

We're still making $20,000 a night. So on stage. I'm talking about it. Let's make some money. They always look and say, what are you doing now? That's why I said what I said about you. You don't never know what they're doing. At least experts.

Don't just automatic thing. Nobody's doing nothing. Every one of our era is on the road. And So on Pepper, they was torn so much. They had to take a break. Making $40,000 a night from June to September. How much money is that? A lot of money.

Exactly. Shout out of the Saw and Pepper, God damn. Big up sore pepper. That's a queen. I'm just saying that anybody's doing that. So how do we change that in hip-hop? How do we actually, like, because I, me and my, part of DJ EFN, right?

Me and DJ EFN, that was our dream is to say, you know what? We said we're going to start a show, but we only want to, we didn't want to interview the new people, not because we got something personal with them, but we don't know their history. Right. Like, I know your history. I know what you guys have been through. Right. So it's easier for me to interview you because it easier for me to sit down, chop it up,

and we have these stories that you're overseas smacking me the back of my head. And, like, you know, and then, like, you, I was just performing, and everyone just came, bong. Like, what's so? And still have 25 million people checking you out. How the part that's bugged out? But how do we actually, how do we actually change that in hip-hop?

How do we- This is what I mean piece of all the time. Okay. We're the only genre who's only got categories. See, if Jenice Joplin was here, Rindley Spitz wouldn't be in a category. Because you'd be like,

bitch, you and pop. Right. So it'd be heavy metal, pop, a turn of music, So you say hip hop should have different categories. We shouldn't be. Mary J. Blosson and all the other black singers are in hip-hop categories. Right.

They should be in there. It says R&B, though. It's a culture. Yes. So it should be. If it should be trap is what it is, it should be trapped. If it should be, you know, club music, it should be club hip-hop. It should have categories.

Even jazz got e-listening jazz, adult jazz, contemporary jazz. It got 70s. If we had categories, we wouldn't be having no problems. So you tell him be Drake should be like in the, um... It's something else. Like slow, slow rap. I don't know. No, no, no.

No. It depends because he is a dope hip-hop artist too when he does hip-hop. So it's all the same. But a lot of stuff should be labeled something else. You can't call, no disrespect. But you can't call this new music hip-hop. No disrespect to them. You've got to be labeled something else because the culture that we come from is not that.

That's not that. It's not that. It's not bad. It's not enough. Under one umbrella. And, you know, it has nothing to do with emceeing, musical skills, the boom bat with the high hat. Like a real MC.

You had to have BDP, Raq Kim, I came through the door. You know what I mean? Lottie, we like the party. You got to have certain things. You know, we have certain things when we said before how your hip-hop was the culture. There's five elements. If you're adding beatboxing,

this rapping, DJ, and graffiti and break dancing. And you want to add break, I mean, B-boxing new cats. But it's a culture. But you got to follow the same laws as from 78 that went down to, you know, rubberrides or whatever else where it's stop that. You know what I'm saying? But this right here you can't call this because this don't fit the culture.

The culture and hip-hop is something but you know. But they don't have nothing else to call so they throw it in there. They threw TLC in there too. Whatever they can throw in there that looks like it's urban, it's under hip-hop culture. But we got to realize we walked away kind of from the game and stop working and being productive. Productive. You know, back there, like in 92, when we seen them dropping music and we felt that was like popped and we dropped the crossover. We didn't say nothing.

We didn't say, that's what they said. What did Mysawr said earlier? He said, Mysol says silence is almost cosine. Yeah, yeah. So when you silent, look at him, man, man, man, they walk here right over. I got personal to my son. Just something real on Instagram, another two weeks ago that was real. Yeah, and I told, MISR said,

You said silence is almost acceptance. Acceptance. So it's like what we did was we left the bank vault open with all the guap in it. And they came in and took a couple of bundles. Nobody said nothing. So they just started taking the money back. So we could sit back and complain. Or what you did, you opened up a forum and you drew a line.

And you said, this is what I'm going to do. And this is not old school. These guys are legends and they deserve their respect. But right now, you can interview whoever you want because you're big. but you choose to give us a platform, which is dope. Like, who's doing this? But this is what I bug out on, not to be going, but the radio DJs, who we remember,

that was all playing our shits, y'all still our age. Y'all forgot. You know, how are you all like you don't know and you wasn't hip-hop at one time? Now y'all are all changed? That was bugging me out because they all got the same jobs

and they forgot that we existed. Or that music existed. That's the point I don't understand So what is Eric Sherman listening to right now? I play old I feel like you do I do I just play allmbic

But me and probably got an album that We're gonna call dynamic duels And y'all are written down We're gonna record double So it's Eric Sherman You had a rug company You had a rug company Okay you bring it up

And you never gave me a row Let's get those Oh you got a ride Oh shit What up those guys I've been hating for a long time I've been hating for a long time I've been hey I'm like yo

I be seeing everybody with a rug besides me. Me and power with the playing. Got the cameras on? Yeah. We got a new acronym. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing right now, E. But I've been...

Ooh! It wasn't eat, man. Stop and, it's ugly, stop it. Relax. I'm gonna be on. We got new acronym. It's now we're on the road to be. Oh!

Yeah, Fenn. Oh, we're not John J. We're not going to be a fan. Oh. That's a big chair. Okay, alright, this is what we're gonna do. This is what we're gonna do. Drink chaps rug goes to the office.

Absolutely. Our shit goes to each other. Yeah, for sure. But damn, I'm not gonna lie. I feel like, I'm not taking that one to do it. No, no, no, no. You got another one? Yeah, yeah, you know.

Drink chaps. I'm so sorry. I'm so, I know the interview went left. What is that? Because you didn't say you said nothing. That better not be EP&D. AP and D. I'm taking that to it. I'm taking that to it.

I'm just trying it for you. Listen, you know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? I'm going to be honest with you. This is big, man. We interviewed Onyx, and Onyx gave me a pair of sneakers. And then they asked me, what size was it? I said, does it matter?

I'm never wearing these. I'm putting it right in my crib. So, you know, Lear, please, really, you're going to go. You're going to go. I'm going to keep my nephew out. but Leol told me one day I went to Lear's house

right and he gave me the biggest lesson of hip hop ever he said to me he had moved to 20th and Park right or 90th in Park

some shit uptown right whatever right it was a $20 million house and he said do you like my house and I really didn't like it

but I had to say yes yeah it's Leo Combe it's Leo Kohn you went there you went there and you know what he told me This taught me hip hop in two sentences.

He said, do you like this house? I said, yes. He said, make sure you're hot enough next year so I can invite you again. Wow. Whoa. At first, I wanted to snuff him. Because I'm like, what?

That's the most disrespectful thing you could ever tell somebody. He basically told me, you're only here because you're hot right now. That was real, though. So if you're not hot next year, Right. Just remember this house because you won't be back. Whoa, that's ill. That was ill.

That's not like Leo, too. But it taught me something so valuable that never appreciate your position because your position can be taken. Another thing is Miami weather taught me the same amount. I'm sorry, I know I'm going all over the place, but just hit me out. Right there, noise. One day, I'm sitting on my balcony, because it's not a terrorist. When you get a lot of money, it's called balcony. Me, a balcony, a day.

So, I'm sitting on my balcony, right? I rode three blunts, all right? And I went upstairs and take a peek. Not a shit. But for some reason, I went upstairs, and I had the shit. All right. And it rained. Meaning, the three blunts I just rode,

they all, and it taught me a valuable lesson. don't ever appreciate your position do your position but they get the fuck out of there and I understood that after Lear told me and is this music industry is it really

that bad or am I overdoing some stories that I think about no I don't think you're overdoing it I just think it's your perception like what it was to be a B-boy hip-hop just to be a dope MC and to be the best.

And then in doing that, you don't realize until you start running into the troubleshoot. So you got to take the burden with the success. Okay? So in the beginning,

me and Eric just wanted to be dope. Strictly business, unfinished business. But then as you become the best, then you know, you got the haters before there was haters, so then you get songs like,

So what you're saying. So what you say. Okay? But nah, that's normal. You'd be trying to get your craft off and you just be dealing with a lot of... Let's take it there. You know?

So what you're saying? Who is y'all talking about? The people who thought we wasn't going to make it back and that we wasn't going to get past the sophomore jinks. And the sophomore jinks for people that don't know, that's their second album, correct? Because they always say rappers fall off after their second album.

Take us through there. We came, first of all, sitting on the bins and the Irock. Because you guys went gold. The first album went gold. I think me and he probably went platinum more. Because we was on the Runshouse tour. Let's make some punch of that. You know what I mean?

So now, now, now, now you're going back in the store. Yeah. And you, are you aware of this? Tell the truth. Yeah. No, first we dropped strictly business, went on the Runshouse tour, came off the road all amped up. Wait, it was a, it was a tour called Runs House?

Runs House with Public... Epimd Public Enemy. Oh, before, Runs House. Reality show? Yeah, no, there was Runshouse tour. 88. I thought I knew everything about hip-hop. I'm offended at myself.

Man, that is Runch House. There was a Runs House tour. EPMD Public Enemy Judge and Crack myself. EPMD, sometimes Setsasonic, open up sometimes. Stets a Sonic? God damn it. What's my man name?

What's his name? Daddy-Yo. Daddy-Yo. The nigga, he was the original company. He was the original company. But continue. So, yeah, so we came off the road or hype and went in the studio.

When you say you hype, was you guys, like, gassed? Like, I think gas was an understatement. I'm, be honest. If I would have went on tour with Run DMC, I would be gassed. No, hold up, Lori. We didn't have no money for a tour bus. Right.

Run DMC let us ride on their tour bus for free. Right. So we woke up every morning looking at the shelltoe Adidas. So when we got up, you see the shelltoes right there brand new. And an unlimited supply of Adidas anything you want. And Adidas was this shit. I mean, not like one, two or three pairs sneakers, my bonnics. Those were stadium shows, right?

They were stadium shows? Stadium. Every city we went through. Two or three nights and one, and then dread it. Wow. Yeah, but speaking about the album, the process. Yeah, so we went in there, we came off the road, you know, the run-s sophomore jinks,

went in the studio, back to Charlie Marauders, and nothing. Just was sitting there, nothing, no lyrics, no music, no nothing came about. Nothing was sounding right. We were just, we were sitting in there feeling like, Was you thinking about the soft-no? No, we didn't know about that.

We just thought we were going to come off and it was going to happen. We ended up looking like Kubel Gooden and men in society after this man killed when he was swinging at the end. Yeah. And then we were. So we had to step, yeah, exactly. So we had to step back, you know? And then we adjusted.

And then we went, you and Eric went back in there? So what's you saying? Because we was overseas. And the DJ was playing Jazzy B. So to Soul and whatever. And he was playing the, and he was playing a mixed version with just the beat, whatever. So I went up there and got the record from him and brought it home. On the DJ that was playing.

Played. Wow. So we had that. And I walked straight off the death for like, your homie, let me get that. Right. And then we went and we made, so what's you saying?

And after that, it started taking off. So what you say? Yeah. And then the big payback. Yeah. And the demo came. Yeah, riding high.

Yeah. Yo, y'all niggas is like, yeah, we built our destiny. We actually built the sixth. We built a car. The 60s, we built a car. The 68 command of the contract. You built a car?

And it's not the record. The last point was drilled the car. Yo, we took a 350 engine out of a 74 Nova and put it in a 68 Camaro. Everything scraping down. I don't know. We can't just say that fast. You said it way too fast. Say that again, you took a what?

68 Camaro. We took a 68 Camaro. Took the engine out of a 74 Nova, 350, four barrel carb. Put it into 68 because we used to be drag racing, all that other stuff. We stripped down the top had like a whatever top on it. So we had to scroll the top on. The vinyl walk. Oh, yeah, this was fast and furious early.

Yo, Dominique Toronto. No, first of all, Paris almost died on the motorcycle first. Let's get to the story. What happened? What happened? Tell us. Yo, was in the way and just moving. On the motorcycle?

Yeah, we used to be whaling. Yeah. So, you know, long story short, somebody wasn't paying attention, drift over the yellow lines, and it was trying to brace for impact. Wow. And Pratt was a star football player,

so he played football, quarterback, and kicker. You know, that's why the demo was, taking long because Pratt was going to school playing ball and I was here waiting on this so 85 we're gonna came out 85 yeah no no there's more to that though because we used to have to communicate everything about y'all you're like you're like you're disappointed me that i could die because paris i'm not my first time driving he almost killed us before epm d so i'm not drive so i'm going no stop and i'm coming right through a light and this was a major intersection where shit can fuck up

I ran right through it the quest wasn't something didn't work right whatever I was I was on a duck yeah crazy but that all led to led to the business

I really thought I knew everything about APMB I'm mad that y'all fucking me out like my history I'm going back and I'm talking to my history later and me and him got a I told you can tell him my history book

I got a shoot fear on my history You know, I'm listening, my nigga, you ain't telling me about the crash. Right? All this stuff made EPMD crazy. Especially with the, we came out late 88. So we watched Rakim, Kane, Lake, we can't understand. Because Zee said he was still spending money from 88. Right.

Did you see him in 80? No, I didn't see him. People ask this question. Let's get back to this question and so, and so, like, how do y'all, how did these people influence y'all? Because they're the same era. So, yeah, they were. But they was out before us

Before we came So I heard we got to listen to Chris Yeah And came, Biz before that So we had to come Everybody else out there was dangerous We couldn't even try to sleep I mean like for real

Because they all came out Yeah, you don't get at the same year And Biz is from Brentwood So he used to see him at the pancake house Oh Biz did me in the Big house one time He used to be his office He used to be in the Pinkhouse He used to be in one time

At the Pancake house He had Biz and seen there with Chuck Jules Yeah Like just nothing with jewels You didn't tell me he's like yeah I heard you if you make a demo, is this was, you know, Biz. Yo, what did this? Yeah.

Yo, and listen, man, we were supposed to get. This Mark game was a bad at a Pairnakee house. Yeah, we're sitting there. Biz is trying to give us the beat to Ain't no half stepping. Bang. Wait time. Yeah, I didn't have an anal half step. Yeah, we did.

We had it first. Daddy Keyes ain't on half step. We said, no, that's okay. We went and made this my thing. In your custom. Yeah. All right, you. Matched.

I was about to go at y'all. I was about to say, Kane was able to rap and step to him. Yeah, that was pretty short. You need that. Yes, right. Can you imagine that? You said, you made it after that?

It's my thing. It's my thing. The chopper. Yeah. That's right. You know what I think of? I think I sell the weed in Harlem. I'm sorry.

God damn. Loud of. I sold weed in Harlem at that time. I'm sorry. What year was that? 807. 8.8. 87 November.

But it came out 88, the album drive. And now, I want to describe 88 because... Not like it. Like, my favorite... Well, the only reason why my favorite... The 90s, of course, is nothing like it, but 88 was... Like, you said, for every rapper-in-mount-out.

So what I'm asking, right? Because my favorite, like, when I think of my favorite era hip-hop that I lived in, it has to be 98. Of course. But 88 was what made my 98 the shit. Wow. I want to actually describe, I want to, as a fan, I want you to tell us that year, because what was it?

L, L. It was phenomenal. It was all, nice and small. Special layer. Special Lave. Short, NWA. Oh my God. MCLite.

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Because you had the music, the industry in artists that we always felt again. Like, you know, Big Daddy Kane after the show, he had the soup. He had the slippers with the Don Perry are, and we wasn't advanced like that. Okay, so we knew we had to step in a lot. He got off the stage. He got a little bit. He got off stage. Like, no, you know the towel when we done the hotel?

Yeah, boom, he had a silver robe. The dog parri-on. Oh, my God. Yo, he was really there already and still can't afford a dog. He's already. He knew it. Cain knew when he was. He was fucking Madonna already.

Oh, yeah, right now, yes. Right on town, he was fucking Madonna. Let's make some noise Big Daddy King fucking up. I don't know if it's true. But fuck it. But fuck it. The book is there. She wrote it.

She said it. Yeah. Let's make some noise to me. You know, he says he's mad? Not because you know what? But that year, if it wasn't for that year, I don't think I'll ever appreciate my year. Like, because my success has always been bittersweet, meaning we came out in 1997.

Mm-hmm. And my partner, who is my best friend? He went to jail. Yeah. And that impact Tony was Tijuana we didn't understand That was the old nigga shit right there

He said Tony Tony It's Tijuana Tony It shook New York Way up Like it was really bad

You want to take some funny shit You know what's supposed to be on the remix to TNY Biggie Smalls So look There's the crazy shit You know when I watched Biggs interview, right? I mean, I'm, excuse me, I watched Biggs movie. Right.

And if you remember, when he was making these last phone calls, that shit made me cry because he called me. And he said, yo, I'm jumping on this record. But back then, you know, we had bootlegs. So when he played me the record, I knew that it wasn't coming. I didn't know it wasn't out. So I said, how do you get this? and I forgot

Nasim Myricks worked for a bad boy to Nasheen Myricks who did the record He just randomly played it for him And he was like, yo these new niggas coming around from Queens And he heard it

But he went to L.A. And he must have heard it again And he called Look, the nigga was to sign Capone I ain't gonna lie I thought it was over He was not into To Ignoree at this time

Right Like, we made him outside of a Hot 97, and Capone kicked their rhyme, and he was like, I'm, I'm signing you. And I was like, I feel like we part of this. But I was so scared. This is Biggie Swoon all the time. I was so scared. But bring it back is the era. If I, if I didn't, if 88 didn't happen as me as a fan, 98 wouldn't be as important.

Right. So y'all came out with the toughest or the toughest biggest Like how was those tours back then? Like how was it? Like I know y'all ain't. I gave you a perfect example of this one took Because you asked the question. I was going to say it.

We all are on Rush. Big Daddy Kane is 10-house down. We're on the L.O. Koojee tour. E.P.D. 10 House down too. So me and Paris Pills that we're tearing house down enough that we should go on after you. Yeah, we should go on after Kane. Kane.

Yeah, you know, it was. The cops. The cop was crazy back then. Was that a mistake? Heavy D2. Was that a mistake? Let me tell you how big mistake. Big mistake.

So Leo Cohen has rush management because Kane wasn't rushed yet. All right. Okay. Okay. So he made that cold because being proud and said, you know, so we had Carl Blanche over that position

because of rush management. The next day, Kane comes out with a hot tub, Speedos. On the stage. On the stage. He said, ladies, I got three things to tell you. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, and the paint start coming off the ceilings.

What? And the light fixtures start coming off the stadiums. We say, yo, yo, Leo, look. Me? You know, change the order back. The way it was. We still had to go on that night. You know what that story.

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you one thing, right? I will tell you one thing. One night. I'm on the road with Ockineli, right? And Ock had, you know, put it in their mouth. But the problem was nobody never saw the video. So everybody, like, threw him to the back. Meaning they was like, oh, you got to go on first.

But I got a real stage performance. Like, he's like busting rounds without the records. Okay. Without the hit records to go with it. But he's going to kill you on stage. And he's going to have a bitch put a banana in their mouth and all that. Like, and then they're going to dance. They got scoop.

got the, he had the fake scoop and scrap. He didn't have cane scoop and scrap. Right. What was the niggas' name? Well, I didn't know. He had dancing. For real.

He boogie. Showtime. He had showtime. And look, so one day, I forget what artist it was, but they was like, Yo, Ack and Lilley got to come on first. So, O'C came and grabbed me.

I had L-A-L-L-A and T-O-N-Y. That's it. That's it. I had nothing else. He said, this is nothing else. Nothing else. So, O-C-C-L-L-L-L. And I kid you not he had 12 minutes

He did the best 12 minutes I ever seen in life And then people said I can let it get close From now on But that's how it is sometimes People just come out there What you doing, Chingbein? I'm sorry I'm interrupting, I'm scheming

I got my first contract Part of itself, this is classic moment And already got the classic EPMD You're my favorite artist This is Spoffer Listen, I've been rocking with you all since 1990. Listen, I've been locked in. You've been locked up together for a long time.

It's very true. It's very true. My next favorite group, Biscopone Noriega, I've never followed nobody else after that. I still stuck there, so this is a real classic moment for me. You got your contract? Yeah, I got my contract right here. I'm finding out.

I'm saving people live. I got it. I got a touch. I got a touch. All right. Hold on. Oh, Chi Ali. You let it go.

Me and Mike's got to make a move. Oh, my dad. Give me quiet. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I'm here for.

I'm here till Tuesday. Okay. Okay. You're coming to Miami. Yeah, yeah. We're up there. Yeah, yeah. What do you mean?

No, Ross got our party up town. Yeah. When? No, that's it. That's it. Yeah, tonight? Yeah. Are you hanging out?

You're hanging out? Yeah, I'm old. Yeah. We're going to get them tomorrow. I'm bringing with D.RTC. Who's the girl that calls for you for you? I'm hitting you. I'm hitting you.

You're making connection? You're making connection? So, I don't know. What is your favorite EPMB record? You got to chill. You got to chill. You got the chair. Yeah.

Big. Yeah. And that's a big song because a lot of people thought we were from the West Coast because of that West Coast failed. Well, they thought EPMD was from the West Coast period. All the sounds, we... Because why everybody was doing James Brown, we were sampling the funk rule records, yeah. Like, like, L.A. was doing, like, they were only gangbanging to it. Like, we'd do a show in L.A., we'd be there every two weeks, and we'd be at the skating rink,

and they'd be helen helicopters, and the time you were across from a hit, boom, fight start. Yo, our shows used to be so wild in L.A. and Texas, that they, we used to have to do you guys to chill about four or five times a night. Right, because the gunshots. Matter of fact, we're in the club Rhinestar. And Houston's. And they'll be like, you know, you start that over, dog. Yeah. because they'd be so close to the stage.

Yeah, do that again. How did the big payback video come about? The big payback? Yo, we shot that in West Coast. We just basically wanted to do something different. So we reached again out to EZE. EasyE hooked it up where Dr. Dre Ice Cube, them could come out, show us some love.

And we just wanted to show the camaraderie with the East Coast and the West Coast. I feel like you should explain that more because a lot of us, a lot of us, a lot of the young people they just see straight out of Compton and they actually think easy E's a dog skin person

right I mean let's be honest he's not though he wasn't dogskin in real life but in the movie but let's big up that actor

because that actor killed this so much that I forgot I thought he was Dawkins yeah he captured after a while I was like damn easy easy but but so I want you to describe that like you know just

you know the West Coast connection because a lot of people you know what they think they think that the East Coast West Coast beef was real when in all actuality that that be some of our number one markets as New York They love us Yeah, how many of you, so you know how big you was in California

Yeah, this is what I'm saying? Like after L.A. All of us. After L.A.L.A.? Yeah. Our records was going number one in L.A. Yes. But we were shook because they're like Yeah, because it was already a problem It was contaminated. Not with the actual... The people.

The fake food. The fair was just the hype. But with us, Eric Wright, working with NWA, he was kind of doing the same thing we were doing on the East Coast. So there was Michelle A,

there was the DOC, they were signed to Atlantic Records, I had Kay Solo on Atlantic Records, and through there, the communication was there once we came through on the second album, like, hey, we want to do something different, the big payback,

we got respect for y'all, you got respect for us, and they showed up. And they came to the Beverly Hill gun range with their own weapons. Yeah, they came with their own. Like, M.A.

All right. He was, really out there with mad shit. You see that as no, take a part. No, serious about it.

The gun range was shocked. Like, yo, they didn't even need their weapons. They didn't need this, yep. So now, you just said, you just said Kay Solo, right? Yeah. Because Kay Solo was your artist.

Right. And then Red Man was your artist. And at one point, we thought that they were the same person. Like Humpty Humpty. At one point, we thought they was the same person. And then it felt like they had problems because they both had Afroves. Wild hair. No, I'm correct.

But did they ever have problems? We got problems later on. Because you were just squad and he was hit squad. Yeah, yeah, but that had to do with it, though. That had nothing to do it. That was just solo talking that one time. Okay. You know, not to give him props, though, but again, he was just, like, talking.

But, I mean, again, everything is done now. Of course, of course. There wasn't no between the crews. It was just him. Him doing something. Yeah, him talking shit about us. So what did he, oh, he said something about y'all? Yeah, about, just about Reggie and me and Keith.

And wasn't he at death row at one point? Yeah, he did. Yeah. Who K-Solo? Yeah, he signed over there. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Solo went to death row. What the fuck was I had? And his producer, Sam Sneed, that was solo's producer, too, along with Paris, that went to death row too. So now, Keith Murray is also your artist, or y'all was together. He was signed to me.

Yeah, he was together. So how did you, let's describe that. When did you first meet Keith Murray? Murray's name was Keithy Keith. Right? And I saw a tape of him battling Big Daddy Kane at a dinah

for Kane's birthday. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That sounds like that. You said a tape. You didn't say you looked on a lot. The B-X-S tape. You know, B-A-Sweiler-Tez.

Yeah. Okay. I have it. You have it? I have it on DVD, though. Yeah, yeah. Keith Murray. Ballot, Kane.

Daddy Kane and a diner. Yes. What year was this? He said, he said, he said, you got to tape the skills up, little boy. Wait, who said that to who? Kane said it to Murray. To marry?

88. And I feel like, because I feel like like King Murray was smoking dust his whole life. No, no, he was... Kewenry and snuff him? No, no. Murray was a kid. He was like 15 years old.

And he battled Kane? What cane is this? Is this... 88, first cane, brand new. Yeah, that's the hot cane right there. That's... It's King, Kane. Kane.

And he battled... What was birthday? Mm-hmm. Since he born was... Kane's family too. That was also Keith Murray's uncle. So they was in Brooklyn, they was family. He happened to be going to dinner for Kane's birthday after the, after a show that happened in Manhattan. Okay. And Murray happened to be with his uncle. And then he said, um, Keith not a rap. So Keith, not scared. When that came kind of. And then Kane just, you know, got loose.

You weren't there. He didn't. He was a friend because he was a young dude. No, no, but it wasn't even like that, though. He just said, like, you know, can't look at him like he was a, you know. Yeah, you know, that's cute. That's cute. So now I asked him earlier. Now I'm going to ask you. What are you listening to now?

Oh, man. I'm listening to a little bit of everything. You know, I stick to our generation, the legends and stuff like that. Me too. You know, it's definitely L.O., what is it, Panther? An animal that kills. I'm like a shock with blood coming out with gills. Yo, remember we was rocking Go,

Creator, Go? Yeah. I can remember that, what's like the cassette tape, right? What album was that? That was 86 or 87? No, 86. I'm going to sit back.

Yeah, before. This is my thing to a customer. Go, cut creator, go. Like, we used to study this. We pumped that tape. We studied that. You understand? Remember we said in eighth grade,

we was driving to Delancey Street to pick up Suck emcees, and it's like that, because I used to DJ. And I got to get back to y'all making the car, too, because. Yeah, that's crazy.

That was crazy. Y'all made a car. Built a car. I still got the car. I got to buy it. He didn't sell it that car. He ain't said that car. He got to listen to my demo.

Definitely. That's crazy. So do you, do you, is there anybody for the new generation that you actually do fuck with? Yeah, Joey Badass. Yeah, Joey Baddick. Kendrick. Did you hear Kendry's album? Yeah, like, yo, sit down, humble.

Yep. Jay Coles. Sit down. Humble. young cat like that already that advanced to do a single like that sit down. And you know what the crazy shit is? It's

musical though. That album like you know you know the thing about Dre is like if you listen to the content album it might not be as lyrically impactful but if you listen to it at a music standpoint it's still phenomenal

it's that chronic. Sonically you're saying that's how he is here for two of you're right because if you're trying to hear the chronic, you're not... No, it's not the chronic. It ain't that. It ain't that. The sounding of the music.

But Jays aren't like that. That's why everybody that was on there... Because I feel like producers make better music than, like, regular artists. Like, if you're a producer... Yeah. Like, I feel like... Oh, yeah, definitely, because the track comes first. And if you're making the track to start running,

and then that's how we did most of our music. Because the beat that we picked for y'all, like, because right now we have... Capone Noriega, Mobb Deep. MOP, So on Pepper, Black Star. Did you put us in that category? I told you, I felt like good.

No, that's going to doos is coming. Listen, you gas to me right now. It's coming on Rock Nation. You gassing me. You cast out. I'm gas. I put me in a category with Sorenpeper, APMD.

The 9-N-Dals that made that end that. We only working with groups on this house. Groups. Only groups. That's the time. Not many duels, big business. Big business. And I'm also hated because I felt like I should have criminal with that.

That's crazy, right? That's why when I see in Capone, you have no idea. No, no, no, no. See how I got said, oh shit. Right, exactly. Because, because I'm the crib, we're sitting in like, want to make sure, right. See, you never got the crib saying, you know, snooping drake.

You know, we're just doing that, you know, what we're supposed to be doing. But show, yo, no way, we can't leave out A-Buggy and Dave East. Yeah, Dave East. Yeah, Davey's a boogie. Yeah, that's a boogie. You know, come on, man. Hold on, but I also like

Clopper Zombies, though, too. That's another. Slat Push zombies. You know what? I've been hands a lot of great things about Flapage Zombie. I haven't been able to get into these stuff. Yeah, I haven't had time.

But I have been on A-Booky. But the dude from, the dog Q. The dude from South Carolina, what's the name? Nick, Nick, um. Oh, Nick, oh, Nick Grant. Yeah, that way is dangerous. I just met him at Charlottomay and he got bars.

He got bars. And I told him that. And you know, because that's when we come from. We come from lyrics first. Yeah, but King of this generation. He's getting it too, though. King Lose? Oh, King Lose, yes.

No, he is very dangerous. King Lose is ill. He's ill. He's ill. He's ill. I like King Lose too as well. I feel like he got to drop something. He does. He got to drop something like...

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Let's do it. That's why we doing hip-hop. I don't care. I'm never going to put myself in the position where I change because you can win doing hip-hop. Who told you you had to conform to this? You don't got to do this. The people are looking for what you do. Exactly. Do what you're doing. You will win.

And that's why, I'll tell you something. That's why, like, I was late on Kendrick album, this album. This last album. Me too. I was late, right? So I kept looking at Twitter and people just tell them telling me how dope it is. So, like an analyst, I downloaded it 1 a.m. and I just, my balcony. Day, my son just came in. I was in my balcony. You're 11. I was in my balcony. And I listened to it. And to tell you the truth, you know, because I'm an artist first, I always kind of like listen to your music to say, fuck you. Like, not in a bad way.

But I listen to it and be like, I feel like I'm better. Leo Cohen says all arts are assholes. And he's right. Leo Cohen said it is right. And I'm like, I don't think I'm like that. You're an asshole. No, not now. You're straight now.

You start right. So when I listen to Kendrick shit, I wanted to hate. and not a bone Stop lying! No, because you know why? I just want to compare myself to every new artist. I want to be like,

yo, I can beat you. But when I listen to that shit... But we feel that way. No, we don't be it. Yeah, we do. Paul, no, you feel that way. But there's nobody to go against. You can't compare yourself

to that? No. That's not rhyming. But when I heard... But when I heard... But when I heard his album, I'm not going to lie to you. It made me remember

how much I loved hip-hop. It made me remember how much I loved you guys' albums. It made me remember how much I loved a Nas album. It made me remember how much I love a KRS album. Like, it kind of like... No time like that. Nineties would never... It's sad to say we would never experience nothing like that.

Where every group had their own identity. Nobody had the rhyme like nobody. Everybody had their own sound. And we all won. How do you have to do that? You know? Now it's totally the opposite. Everybody sounds the same.

You know the crazy shit? You only get beat by, you're biting. You know what the crazy thing? You know the crazy thing? You know the other day, I looked at somebody's Instagram, right? And the guys on the Instagram and he sounds just like future, right? But the guy says, these other rappers want to copy me. Yeah.

Like, nigger, you copy it. Right, right, right. Right, right. You sound just like fucking future. I didn't something like anybody else copy to you. But that's how crazy it is, is that nobody checks it. Nobody says, yo, back then, like you said, biting was bad. Like, yo, Mia Capone went all out not to be compared to Mobb Deep.

Like, you don't understand. Like, when we came out and our first record was LA, LA, and he was on the same record with Mobb D. Right. So they automatically, that's the fake version of Mobb Deep. That's what I run a Mob deep, Mob deep. Yeah. Me and this nigga, we did everything in our nature to not be compared to them niggins. Yeah, but jabs, nowhere near.

So that's why we did our own. Yeah. That's why we did that ARA. Yeah, yeah, yes. We just wanted to get away from that. Right. But the thing is, nowadays, if they say you sound like that guy, it's actually a good thing. It's like they're comfortable.

They're not going to say that. Listen, they can never be you. Right. Listen, no, I swear to God, tell it be all the time. Right. My sister called me Michael Jackson at the crib. Not because of that Because no matter what you do, young kid

You would never be me That's right This is 30 years That's right You didn't even did three yet After you finish How can you eat after this I'm still torrent

How are you gonna eat? I'm just saying I want to realize If I can beat it and see How are you eating Because nobody's coming to watch you In 10 years Right

Right So how are you going to eat If you didn't say Right. And you want to disrespect me. I feel sorry for you. Because you would never be me. You would never sell these records.

You would never have number one albums. You'll never be touring. You'll never be in these arenas. To do Summer Jam, you need 1,800 new people. Without them, you won't pack it. Talk that shit. And we got to come check on. You're right now, if anyone of us go,

if a CNN, Naz, E, P&D, whatever, and two more other groups, we can pack 51,000. With nobody on the radio. get people drunk to talk like how you're talking. He came out to gaiters. You're just sober drunk. I'm gonna try to get you another.

No, because again, they gotta just be right. People have to appreciate who you are. Don't let nobody take this from you. Me and Paris are humble and too, humble to a fault sometimes. I'm like, please, I don't let them, niggas ain't us. Look at that. They got over there.

They would never be us. Look at your wall, yeah. And the people follow and they say, Oh, that's hip-hop. That's why we did songs like the crossover. But that's why I drink champs, we won't be humble for you. We're going to represent EPMD.

Not only tonight, we're going to represent EPMD every fucking day. But look how you won. Nobody was expecting you to win. They can't win with this. They don't know people on there. We're watching these old niggas talk about no nothing. None of that.

What I love about this show, like a lot of times we listen to it while we're traveling. Right. And you get to hear the stories that you didn't know exist. I didn't know about Black Tie and Keith Murray. I'm with Keith. I didn't know about the story. Like kids were saying, where was I?

You know about it. I ain't got a Thai. And they're little brothers for it. In Philly? When Snoop said on the shit like, yo, oh, shit, we saw an EP&D video on. We're like, oh, shit, we made it now. I mean, we're on the video after EP&D. Right.

Like, the stories. that people give y'all from on the show. Like the shit that we learn, but I learned to compete. Yeah. And what comes out. Yeah. That's crazy.

You know what it is? We gotta give our artists, they're, um, flowers when they can smell them, give them their trees when they get a hell on. Noi, stop right now. Please stop. Yeah. A stranger in Detroit came to my room and told me the same shit.

Do not let nobody, don't Capone. Let them represent you and congratulate you why you living. Yeah. That's right. Don't let nobody give you props when you dead. That's right. You're supposed to get why you living.

And that's the thing, that's the thing, E, is, um, I'm glad you know that. I've seen, I've seen, I've seen, our culture suffers from that. I've seen that every other culture, like I said, I went to this accountant office and an accountant is, you know, all, you know, older rock bands. I was the only black guy there. But they, they, they was collecting checks and they was doing that. And I'm like, damn. And I'm like, yo, why we don't do that in a lot?

Like, why do we don't? Like, it doesn't cost me nothing to tell you, I'll love you. No doubt. Right, right. No doubt. It don't cost me nothing. Right. It don't cost me nothing to say every time I see Eric Sherman to me and him to be, like, you know, we are, we play around.

Yeah. And but, you know, he shows me respect. I show him respect. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we do that in public? I'm not saying us. I'm saying, in general, most people, most people,

won't, they don't want to do that. They don't want to say, like, if I grew up listening to you, and if you made what Capone and Norriega is, I gotta tell you that to your face. Yeah, no question. Right. And I gotta say,

you know, everything we did is Capone and Noriega. We tried to be EPMD. I saw, I tell Rocky into his face. I was like, yo, and I was like, as a man, I tell Ron to the MC to their face. I let them people know to their faces. I don't care who it is. If you influence me, I'm giving it to you.

I'm giving it up, though. But people would be like, yo, I know what I'm saying, but that's only us. I'm not sweating him. I'm not jogging. I think that's our society. That's our society. Because the thing about it is, me and Capone would be the fakes people in the world if we were ain't say we wasn't influenced by you. Right.

If we, me and him would be the corniest dudes in the world if we didn't say, yo, you know we was trying to be EPMD. Yeah. Like, we were. Right. But that doesn't make us bad at all because we would follow and run the MC. When we took 88 for y'all is rock box and something MCs for us. We believe 1883. It's a little sock of my mind.

Can you another shot? But what does that say now about today's generation? You're going to take your shot. Obviously, there wasn't the leaders for them. Yo, I notice my glass is the biggest in here. I'll watch, I don't know what I'm going back to it too. If we were to say something, it wouldn't have got that far. We didn't say anything.

We let stuff that's get out of hand. And it got like, this. Right. So we say this, our generation dropped the ball. We dropped the ball. But we're starting to work down. Even in parenting. Even in parenting, like us as, not us as parents,

but the parents too, our parents was the last parents that parented children too. And we don't like to switch the building. Do you know what somebody told me the other day? They said, and I agree with them. But they said to me, you don't like this new

generation of hip-hop? I was like it's okay. They said, well, it's your fault. And I said, mine of all. And they said, because you didn't say that. You didn't say none. Right. Yeah. And I said, it's similar to what my son said earlier.

And I said, what? It said, you didn't say nothing. Like, when you knew it was bullshit happening. Yeah. You never said that, right? Yeah. You just sat down. Nobody said shit.

And I'm talking. And I'm talking, what this is? Oh, we did. And to ourselves. And did by time, we did realize that it was too late. It was too late. It was too late. It was about a mile out.

We actually, it was actually about lyrics. when we just came up. It was actually about beats. Right now it's about melody. Yeah, melody. If you have a great melody, you can be black as fuck. You can be whack as fuck,

but if you have a great melody, a sing-along melody, everybody comes forward. You know, but don't forget our era, we had to go to Power Play Studio. We had a line. We had to be Queens. That's why you guys was, that was it for us.

Power Play. Our sound, what did you say? It came by Power Play. We used to, the cameras one used to have a sleeping bag. Yeah, Paul, what was our demo recording? Yeah, it was. It was a demo. Oh, yeah, but the engineer, what's the name?

God was dead? Oh, Paul? No, no, he had a way. Paul. Paul didn't do y'all neither? Or Paul was before y'all? I don't know. I was so broke at that time.

I was right now. We might have been engineers then. Okay. You know, I was so broke. I was like, when the niggas told me to come, I was like, I didn't know how to get there. But I just like, yo, I just like, Like, yo, I'm getting there.

I'll be there. But I was broke as fuck. Yeah, but me and Prattis got signed for $50 for $500 our first contract. Oh, yeah, yeah, you beat us. 750. He got signed for $5,000. You got signed for $5,000. Y'all want.

Bismarqueen came with lower than hours. Okay, hold on. Wait, keep bringing up Bismarck. Bismarck, wherever you're at, we need you on a drink camps. You know, yeah. He got stored. You know what the craziest thing is? A lot of people don't know that.

that's what I get my humor from. My humor comes from Bismarck. Bizmark was the first person that made me listen to a record and then laugh. When he said, I'm going to pick a booger and put it on the basketball and pass it to you. I was like, damn, could I visualize that? I was like, man, that's some foul-n-knit-ish shit.

Oh, some fly-ass beats, though. And so a lot of people, they ask me, and I say, my humor comes from Bismarck. But, again, these people don't know who bizum is. Right. So they sit back and they said... But the kids know from your guy by God. Now you're going to get back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that's where it came from. That was like the first like comedic rapper. Right. Right. And since then it hasn't been one. Right. Now I'm taking over that position, but I'm taking

over it from a media standpoint. And at the end of the day, I can never forget my forefathers. He ain't never heard that. He's going to hear another, but he's never expected that. To this day, Vislark is still the same way. He wasn't right. And Granddaddy are you. And, yo, on the same page. Granddaddy.

Yeah, you know, you got a big shot. I'm a big daddy at you. You know, look, I've been following a long ago. Listen, I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm going to tell you that, so. I heard this nigger say, I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia.

Oh, I would I like to stick something in you. I was a rapper from that moment. I did not understand. From Grand I Yu? From Grand I U. Grandi U. made me, great made in all,

I'm gonna be honest with you. Wow. When I heard that... Did he know that? He knows it. I said that just like 17 million times. Okay, okay, okay. He joins up.

But that shit right there was like, I got to rap now. Like, I got to do... I didn't know how I was gonna rap. I didn't know how I was gonna make it. Yeah. But I... But from those who broke was right there.

But let's get back to EPM. That's how fellow Rockham D. Let's get back to EPMD. I was going to say arguably, but probably the best two-man group ever in life, in existence. I'm standing in front of both of y'all. I felt like one of y'all was going to come. I felt like it was just one person.

I was like, damn, I'm going to fuck up. Times your brother was all on you. That's my man. Yo, what's his name? Tom. You got to be a shot. What's his name? You know, his name is Tom.

Tone. Tons. Yeah, we got to get more of Tome. Anton from Brentwood. Antoine, Long Island, my brother. The way, and by the way,

where's the Tiger Bone. Yeah, we're missing some elements. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's common. Yeah. He said, you got to check out Noah's show. Yeah.

What's he said, no, it's called Drink Chance. Tom is the, he says, the doper shit ever. Yeah. I mean, he was excited. You know, we take like four hour We listen to the music, two hours into the hip hop and everything. You take the a all track.

Click it in. Drink chips. So you got to adjust. That's why, okay. We're higher here. But then as you're riding, you're like, yo, I didn't know that. You just drop, you get this.

It's like behind the music. And that's what it is. It's because, you know why? The thing is, we don't have an inside the NBA for hip-hop. We don't have it. Right. So when you look at Kenny Smith, who's from Left-Rack, by the way?

I threw that in there That was a shot Yeah You're like I watched Kenny Smith I watched Charles Bockely And even though I don't agree With Charles Bockeley

It's like you know what You can't argue with him Because he played the game Right He actually played the game At a high level So even when I don't even Like fuck with him

I don't fuck with his views at all Right Like I don't fuck with his views at all But I can't say I don't fuck with him Right because he played the game in a high level and he's given back and his opinion

should be his opinion. So we all sat back, me, the F and sat back and said where is our version of that? Yeah. Why don't we have that? Why don't we have it? And not only not have that,

but why don't we have people that want to show love back to the culture? Like, I have no problem to telling. I have got to be more than since you mean it's about to. No, but I have no problems telling you. I have no problem telling you if it wasn't for EPMD

that would be a component of it. Right, paying super homage like we pay homage to run DEC. But in this generation, you would have people who use your music build their whole career. I like when they freestyle and then walk past me and E. Yeah, like it ain't like we ain't

that only makes you work hard. Yeah, but how did y'all feel that it was going to like it, did y'all know it's going to work? You like when people freestyle over your music? Hello? Yeah, it's true. I don't know. Okay.

But people say... You told me that shit. They even killed my... You know, back in the day when somebody used your music or said your rhyme, it was homage. It was homage. They paid homage. They weren't. They meant it.

Yo, I seen a dude, I kid you now. I walked to MTV, right? I walked to MTV. The dude put out the freestyle of that day of my music and walked the right by me. And I looked at the nigger. And I'm like, damn, do you know you rhymed off a band from TV? TV, I want to shank you. I want to shake you over that alone.

But the fact is, you walked right behind me. Right, right. That's crazy. And then the people from MTV was trying to tell him, like, yeah, they introduced me, he didn't even know I was. That's L. That's L. That's L. He was like, yeah, this is Norrieu. Right, cool. Right, right.

Right, right. He gave me out. Cool. Like, cool. That's crazy. I'm like, I'm nicking, you're wrong on my shit. Like, I was so mad. I had to actually relax.

Yeah, yeah. But I didn't want to relax. That's crazy. And I'm like, that's crazy. Like, can you know, you ever see the cartoons? Like, when the shit comes home? I know Steve was coming out of my shit because I was like this. But I'm trying to keep holding down.

I'm like, eh. But that's the thing about it is, I know who you were. Right. I knew who Rakein was. Right. I knew who Nas was. I knew who. I knew who Marvie was.

I knew who dress was. I knew who black shit was. I knew all these. So if I actually touched your record, he said to me, why did you do that? I can say, because I love you,

you, nigger. Exactly, right. Not because I'm rhyming on something that's hot, and it bothers me because I even blame the producers, I blame the engineers, because before you tell these niggins

to rhyme on this shit, tell this thing to do some research. You should let them know. Because in our era, we wouldn't rhyme on somebody else's dope shit if we couldn't represent it like what they did. It's like, I'm not going to get on Keynes Raw. So many people. Oh, what? You know, so many people.

Right? I didn't say nothing, right? So many people call me to recreate band from TV over. And I tell them, no, not because it can't be recreated, but one of my best friends in hip-hop was named Big Punt. He's not around. So there's no way we can recreate this moment. Right. Let's let that moment die.

Die. Right. And it's my record. Right. I paid for these motherfuckers. So how did you motherfuckers try to do it? And they'd be sending me their links and I'll be like, uh-uh. I don't want to play it.

Right. They'd be sending me the links too. I'll look at it. I say relax. In my mind. No, that's the way I think that Pete Rock felt with, Um, what's the kid from Chicago? Oh, cheap key?

No. The big rapper, when he did, um, women is over. The beat. You're not supposed to touch women after. I know. No. Yeah.

You know, listen, listen, I'm gonna be honest. You can't touch any EPMD record. Y'all, y'all made too much classic. I know, but you can't tell it to the few people that you used them. To the young guys. Yo, you know. You know, you're not only dumb. Yeah, yeah.

Yo, E. You and I are the most sample dudes in hip-hop. Like from all our beats, if you do the history, yeah. Tons of beat for beat. Beep for beat. And they destroy us. Keep you with us. Let's go.

Did you like when artists touch this shit? Well, at that time, yeah, well, because we was kind of off the grid, so it kind of helped us out a little. Okay. You know what we were. From Mario wines, I don't want to know. I know I made a hundred grand.

I don't want to. I made a hundred grand because I'm probably be a hundred grand out too. Yes, yes. Just off to your customer. Oh, we're a customer. Yes. Yeah.

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Let me just tell you how. And jealousy come and talk to me. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Dude, dude, dude, dude. Yeah. Drake just used your customer a couple months ago. Yeah.

But Puppy was destroying. And Jake Painter too. Let's make some noise with Drake. Yeah. I hooked him up with DMX. I don't know why, but, you know, I don't know. I don't know what he even called me. He called, 40 called me and said.

Oh, 40 called you. Okay. 40 called me and said, Drake, DeSamp. This sample to DMX record, he feels like DMS going dissing for it. So he called me, you know, naturally, I'm the plug. It happened. Put them on the form with DMX. And the dog didn't give a fuck.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta give them the phone. Young niggas got each other no more. I'm gonna get down to this. But that's what it is. I'm going to walk. But that's what that mop should be. He's about you fuck.

Nah, but that shows me right there. See, Drake had the consideration. Didn't know. Want to go the right way in his career. But you know what? You know what? P. To me, I respect that.

If I'm going to touch your record, I'm going to actually reach out to you. So, you'll, listen. I feel like I'm going to do this. And because you know what it is? Like, a couple of brothers touched my record It was called Sometimes, right? It's about my father.

My father. It's about my father passed away, right? So when I say sometimes, I want to cry and pray, sometimes, sometimes I want to chalet, sometimes I get drunk all goddamn day. Sometimes I want to go back around the way. Sometimes I want to ride a smoke. Sometimes, sometimes I got money and I still feel broke.

When I say things like that, you can't take this sometimes. You be like, sometimes I want to fuck a bitch. Sometimes I want to fuck a bitch. Like the shit, I don't like it. I don't like it. Right. I don't like it.

Because this is about my father. Would you actually listen to the record? Right. Because if you listen to the record, you don't want to do it. Right, right, right. You understand that this is not what you want to take on this record. So these people, they do it, they send it to me and now, mind you. I'm gonna be honest.

I'm gonna be honest. I don't own the record. So, when they, sample it, they don't actually have to clear it. I mean, right. But I don't clear it in my mind. I'm a foul knicker. And I don't like you taking

the card set away for what it actually is. It's like, it's just like y'all, y'all, if a nigga just say, slow down, baby. And then the nigga just, he just takes it and he makes it big up, baby. Big up, right, right, right, right.

That's not what we meant. Right. So, do you have a problem with that? Or no, I have a major problem. I know that that would, um, what was the kid that you just, Rampage Over? Oh, no, not Joey. No. Man, what's the kid who did Rampage Over with L.O. Cool J?

Oh, Action Bronson. Action Bronson. My brother's back. Okay, we back. Oh, and, man. Oh, I forgot. That was y'all record. I thought it was.

So he wouldn't grab L and did it. And then he didn't get, yeah. Oh, my God. Actually, he didn't get in contact to actually use it. He didn't jump out there. He jumped in to Port Clair. Look at, like, the people used our records. They turned them into classics for themselves.

You got Jayzee ain't no nigger. It's my thing. You got Jayzy. You got DMX. Get at me, dog. Let's get the bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So, yes, thank you, Kim, Cerman. Kanye West Gold digger. Yeah, went too far. Yeah, went too fast. Hold on. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, nigger?

Is this my thing? Yeah, it's my thing. Absolutely. Get at me, dog. That's get the bozat. While I'm making it, take it, if he's shaking and breaking it. My oven to 300 degrees and start baking. MCs like the tables, meat's kicking like cato.

Yeah. Oh, my God. And then the rough riders did it have been over, the rough brothers. Yeah. The rough brothers did it have been over. Yeah. I love that. I love.

But see, now, now, now, that's respect. So now, because for me, if a person calls, if a person calls, me and they say, they know, I want to do it over. Like, again, some of these joints, I don't own it. So when they say that, it kind of puts me at ease. Yeah. So do these people call you prior to their sample your records? It's not someone who reached up, but it's really, like you said, for it, it's publishing.

They don't have to call us. Right. It's a deaf jam that. They got to, you know, let's stay taking the rhymes or something like that or whatever. Yeah, or whatever. We'll see it in our publishing. Right. You know, so like I said, I didn't get a call for Mario, but we still.

still got the money. Right. Let's make some noise to them to get the money. Yeah. Let me tell you, because I can go with y'all for 17,000 million. This is dope. We finally, we made it here because it's going to, damn. No, you know, the crazy shit.

I thought you was not going to be on point with the rugs. I really, I really doubted you. Are you crazy? I'm sorry. You see this, my face, chain, this box, this is, well, you know, what's the site? What's the site for it? This is, this is,

Duffrugs. Deftrugs.com. Right? You know what? We have Defrogs.com which is the website. We have at Deftrugs on Instagram.

And you know what were you under the rugs? It was Capone. So he's hanging right now because you didn't get him. We were working fast. You remember that? You remember? We actually had that for $48.

No, no. We wasn't even expecting this. This is right here was even doper. Right. We wasn't spec in this. see Capone in here. I told him, as soon as I see it. I said, oh shit.

As I said, oh, shit, separately. Right. But as far as that, we just knew that in the short period of time, Ali. Right. Alis, we're in the outside. Short period of time, we work in short period time, but this is my, this is my partner in color. So he was like, you know what I'm saying?

Okay, yo, I got something I can get done quick. I hope I can. You know what I'm saying? So, Capone. me and say, come on hit me one day, he said, Yo, do you see these rocks, these niggas got? I said, no, what? Love me.

Let me. I want to tell you, I want to tell you what I want my house. You know, I had brought this story up earlier, and I didn't bring it full circle. I said, I went to Lear's house, right? And Lear, he had all this shit. And the thing is, everything that he, Picasso's, I don't give a fuck about Picasso.

I don't even like that nigga. Who is that nigga, right? But, and then I said, Anix. I said, Anix had gave me sneakers. Sneakers, right? Didn't matter. It's size. Right.

And it didn't matter aside because this how I want my whole house to be is hip-hop memorabilia. Man. Right. Like, I want a painting of EPMD in my kids' room. Yo, man. I want a painting of fucking Rock Kim in my face. I want to do, like, I want to have a KRS one tennis ball. Like, I want to, like, I want to, because that's, that's, to me, that's my Bacostler. Yeah.

Like, we did the show at Run DMC in September. I got a pair of Ditas. I had Run signed the Ditas. And I had Dias. The C side of Editors, yeah. To put them in the glass case. Yo, and they even got the special edition Jam Master Jay Adidas. So when you walk the crib, then boom, oh, there's Run's signature, there goes DMCs,

there goes to the limited edition Jam Master J's. You got to Jamest to J's? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Delimity, yeah, I know. What I got to do to do? You, right, I think there was on like 50 May. 50, and I got a pair. Yeah.

What's EPMD's favorite at all, besides 88? The 90s. The 90s, yeah. For so much stuff. You'll be nothing like it. When all y'all came? During the Hiz Squad time frame? Like when that was, you know.

That's the whole thing. The early 92, the Jewish movie in general. Remember two pocket juice and walking through the whole movie with the rampage cover? I was a jail. I was a jail. Oh, why. I was thinking that. You remember the Queens movie that got shot up?

That was me. Oh, shit. I'm not proud of it. For real? Yeah. Remember when the Queens movie did it got shot up? Yeah. Yeah.

Nothing to see it. It's nothing to brag about. When you went to go see the movie here? No. No. No. Alves wasn't coming on my side Queens I'm gonna totally

I'm gonna totally different side of the case but I remember you because your memory is crazy this nigga right here yeah he's a drink champ he is a drink champ

yeah that like came in you're a official drink champ you're a drink champ you gotta go back to Long Island that's it and look look we gave you the stamp you're a drink champ now and you're gonna give you a crown

we're gonna send it to you I was it How was it? How was it? Oh, Peyton Fall actually was ill because... I saw wood on the state time. Where? Yeah, saying that Cam really punched the kid. When he hit him and dragged him out the car, he really punched him.

The director was like, yo, we got to cut. Cam really hit the kid. You know, I was audition for Alport. You did? It was me that auditioned for Alport. Yeah, you could have got that too. But I was fat at the time. Now you can do it.

No, yeah, look, look. I was fat at the time. It was like, nah, Alpo wasn't fat. But you was good when you were talking down a blocker. What was the name when you were the Lodger? Oh, I put a local. That right there was crazy too. Oh, yeah, because you were kind of movie star too, man.

A little bit, a little bit. Let me tell you about I'll pay the four because you asked, right? The funny shit about paying four was I actually auditioned to be our poor. Wood Harris, who is A-Z, actually he actually, what is that shit called? He rehearsed with me, and he told him, he knew I wasn't going to get the role.

He was like, yo, you wild. Wow, that's going way too far. That's doing way too little. And I'm big at the time, he's like, you're not getting this, right? That's crazy. But I went in, I still tried, right? But the people love me so much. They're like, you're not out, Paul.

So the next role, guess what the next role was that you broke it up? Was me getting beat up by Cam? What? That role where he snuffed him for real? That was my next shit. And then the director said, nobody thinks Cam's going to beat you up. Right. Like, this is unbelievable.

You can't have this wrong. And then what happened was the director, it was Charles Anthony. Stone or Charles Stone Anthony The third One of the Like I know his name Was a third Right

Charles Stone the third Yeah Because I always remember that Because I'm like damn Like I always see that Movies When they say the third Like I never met a nigga

That's the third So So he asked Thurston Howard The third Inultons I think I know Well you know

That's right That's what I was So I'm gonna be honest With you And I never said this Paine and 4 was made up

that role never existed the director just wanted me in the movie so he just said just do something so when he came when I came I was actually on tour

I think you was on tour with me and then we was on tour and I had one day to go in New York so I landed and they said make something up

and I made it up right through the net all that shit no way what they said no I kind of exaggerate. What they said was exaggerate.

You got to be the guy to say, introduce Alpo to A-Z, I mean, A-Z to Al-Pol. So, remember, I'm talking to A-Z, which was, what was his name in the movie? Ace. Ace. So I'm talking to Ace. But so what they told me was Ace had never heard of Alpo. So you got to exaggerate. So that's what I just said.

I just made it up one of the day. There's one take. Raised out of his ass. Free stuff. I made up all that. You know, it was so good that when I finished, like, I was like, I did that shit and I was like, boom, water.

Like, water is like in a slate. You did it say, there's water. It's not even a sleet. You were in it. But they told me, they said, don't, don't say no. Yassamine, you heard, like, something that you could relate to the 90s. So I had to, I just, all improv. And I

didn't. It was one take. And I said water. The reason why I said water, because I had nothing else to say it, I didn't want to say cool. I didn't want to be like peace. Because I'm like, peace might be dated. So I don't know, I didn't know that because it's a time piece. Right. Right. So, when I said water,

I was fucking up. It was actually a mistake. Like, water. Right. Got to leave something. No, he took that yet. It doesn't work. No, no, no, you gotta say water.

You gotta say water, whatever you love. Water. But, EPMD, you guys are so much of inspiration, not to just us, meet Pohn, or EFN. Your inspiration to hip-hop. You guys to test the times, you guys still looking at good out here, doing it deaf rogues.

I'm not gonna drink chance for us, so I'm gonna take that one. No, in my office. But you were saying He don't trust me You know He doesn't trust me I'm fucked up

Did you see you? Did you see you? Crystal clear Crystal clear So we So you're working on a new album Dynamic duels Big Business

Dynamic duels And all that you're working with Is other dynamic D novels The best of the best That we think It was the best Dynamic duels

Right so how far Are you in this album right now? We knew Oh But we got our tracks We picked the beats up, though. And then we picked to see what we're going to do with, on what records. Yeah.

Remember we used to do that? We used to pick beats early. Yeah. Now we're Hollywood. We don't even do shit like that. You got, once you get back to it, the first thing you think is like, why did I leave this in the first place? Yeah. So we need beats, exchanging beats, you know, going over concepts and stuff like that.

Getting back to the basics. Because we're going to do, I was thinking about doing, like, ghost face and Ray do Jane for storytelling. And then, exactly. See how we write. And then come in there with them and mix it together with them while they're doing the story telling the ghosts singing, No, J to the A to the end to the end, and then having the, you know,

come with, yeah. What you enjoy better, producing or MCN? The beats. Even though, again, the rhyme is something that, because me and Paris, we do it. Because we, like, runs you and see. You would do too, right, Pete? Yeah.

And I'm sorry. Yeah, Paris did strictly bring this album. People don't know about it. the stuff that, you know, rampage he did, yeah. I started coming in late. So what's you saying? And we started going and keep doing something such. But again, the first one was, you know, I was watching.

I learned to produce from him and Charlie. Now, as a producer, like, when you sample, is it still lucrative sampling or you suggest to get away from that? I do it because I don't know nothing else. Right. Of far as the essence of the culture is to be able to take, is the sample. Because why would you do that?

You should just supposed to feel good making the beat. And then you can't get it and you run into something. Okay, cool. But make your music. Make your music, though. Make it. Don't dance around because that's what makes you you. We got sued.

Like Eric Clapton came in guys in the beginning for Strictly business. And Roger came in guys for more balance. But again... Eric was cool. Eric Clapton only charged us like 10,000. thousand dollars like it wasn't no big hits you know what i'm saying but like biz messed when biz got hit it was wait what happened to talk about that no biz you got what i need was

messed the game up he fucked it up that's why everybody was getting tore up what did he do they started paying attention not because that was the sample that he didn't clear it yeah right and the record blew up and then everybody started coming and this is this when um because they weren't paying attention to hip-hop no was this the was this the was this the was this the the era after that, like because now when you sample somebody in music, they say they want 100% of your publisher. Was that from Bizz?

The Rezboard Dogs on Jayce's album? Yes. Isaac Hayes won 100%. 100%. But we gave it to him because Jay won the record bad. Mm. But I was dead to the...

And you produced Ravislewold. Right, 100%. How was your way for flossing? Because you flossed you flossed. Now, let's make it. Oh, yeah. That was good. That was good.

No, I'm saying, but that's what you gave it to them. Right, right, right. Some people, sometimes we get up, we give up. Yeah, because it's worse the record. Right, right. Rod the listening. Yeah, right. 100% of nothing is nothing.

So then how do you get paid if you gotta give them 100% of the B? No, no, we're getting paid up. But it's not all of them. That's just, that's 12 joints. Yeah, right, it's 12 joints. Yeah, right, it's 12 in the audience. We could get good. It's still good.

Yeah, I don't forget that. Exactly. It comes from everything else, the touring and everything, and the publishing checks and all, you know. The racket is fine, it's worth the sample. It's worth the sample. What's the best thing about hip-hop? The best thing.

It was the identity of everybody having their own identity. It was the doverest thing. You knew that was tribe, that was daylight, that was public, that was seen, and that was eating, a fucking, I heard of the music. That was hard. That niggins said, it's the identity. of everybody having their own identity.

Let's make some noise for the I get it. He just says some smooth, slick shit. And then he tried to go over it. Yeah, yeah, no, he's crazy. Right, right. You can't listen. Hold on, bring that back. Bring that back.

Listen, EPMD, I love you, brothers. Thank you. Love you too. I'm really, really, really, like, I'm not saying this just because y'all here. I'm saying this because real shit, I remember selling crack to your music.

I'm not proud of that. But I did sell a lot. I'm shot coming to you with you, I should too. I apologize. I saw a crap for one day. And I was outside the house. Setting for the robbery. The guy didn't come out.

Skeet mask and everything. You can't have a ski mask. It's my phone on the radio. I had 250 crack vows on my mother's link incontinental Mark 5 on the floor. Okay, but why are you selling crack? Because my man was doing it. I was influenced.

I was like, oh shit, I'm influenced. Like, this is. And it was early and it's my thing, so we didn't do a show yet. They were just playing on the radio. And it was my man, and he didn't force me in nothing. I could have said no. I wanted to look hard in front of him kind of. Yeah, fuck that.

So we put the capsules out, and we went to go rob another dude. So I put the mask on, sat down. It's all on one day you sold crack, had a mask, and you robbed the thing. And one day, yeah. No, we didn't get them. He didn't come out. So we waited, and we was waiting too long, and we left. Okay.

But that right there was a mask. signed like, yo, I told Parabena. Like, I thought I got robbed. I tried to, I'm like I didn't get Rob to Staten out. You got it. Yo, the story's even more wilder than that. But we didn't even love. Staten out and it got me to tap down.

They got me. Yo, this was before, yo, this was before the Wu era. You got to tell us that story. So when I saw Wu tape, I was pressing them. I was like, wait, yo, listen, man, the niggas rob me B.

I'm telling you right now. You were on the wrong side, he? He was on that side of the building. And that was not a neighborhood. Yo, but no, actually he got away, though. He was gone. He just had to double back because somebody got caught.

I was fucking around with the Forston D nigga. Before I don't know how I got the fourth of D. It's his birthday. So I'm like, yo, go get it. You know, you want something as you? I'm going to go a bottle of champagne or something. I saw a nigger, no lie in the building with a white woman's wig on in a white face mask, right?

Like a wig face, like a president mask, but it was a white lady. But it threw me up. But it was a nigger? I wouldn't look and thinking about it until later on after he got me. So I don't even doing. So I'm in the building. And we're outside. So the forcing the nigger leaves.

That's why I think he set me up. So I go in the building, right? It's on the first floor, so I don't have to take the elevator, so I go open the door to walk up the, in the project to walk upstairs to the first floor. The dude said, come back down. He got the gun on my man's stomach. You know, Bernard. Okay. He got the gun in my man's stomach, said, come back here, I'm going to shoot.

So I'm moving slow. I got $1,000 in my pocket. I had a white shirt on. I got the World Be Free ring on with the world. I got two chains. I got my Benzy box. Now, he snacks my Benzy box. Now, imagine me going all the way home with no music.

That's the freaking thing about it. Right, right. He tells me, take the chains off, so I'm in slow motion. So he snapped with, boom, first one. I'm like, this is crazy, man. Because I could have win. He could have gone. He was gone.

Snap, boom, snapped the two chains off. He had a man and told him if you don't come back. So he shot, bow. In the air. Right. Let him know him serious. No, it was over. When I walked outside, I was like,

you know, what happened? I'm like, I knew they set me up because how do you know that something happened to me? Because he shot to let the men know that it's over. So I went back the next day

with the Fort Green. I got a hawk dog and my cousin, Mel and a few others went to Stapn Island Club. Sit outside the club until it was over. Went outside. It didn't show up.

No, we didn't care who was there. Open the trunk up, out of the bins. We stopped busting out the club. I'm suiting everybody up. So the next day, light comes and says, I heard what happened to Staten Island. But that part didn't get me.

The only part that I was scared about was Paris finding out. So his man called him to say, yo, your man got robbed. So he lived in Staten Island. Oh, he called you. This is what you're saying in this out. Right. So Parish has me and says, you got Rob,

I'm like, you know anybody robbed me. You know, so I'm lying to him Meanwhile his man lived there You know, so he's like, yo, you know, your boy, he got Rob B I'm like, yo, so what you say is out, you know The gun talk is in the record, the whole shit So I had to go back But lucky I went back and did because it got back

They came and tried to club up last night They got busy. Oh my God Look, EPMD, I ain't gonna lie Listen, listen, listen Oh no, we almost got Jalen Rose killed. Yeah, big time. Before he went to the NBA.

Let's go there. We're in Ohio, right? Jalen Rose. We're in Ohio. He's real hip-hop. He's one of the Parisers' good friends. As you see in the fast, I mean, in the FAPFive, you got the EPMD, had someone,

and everything in the documentary. We're in the spot. Ohio comes to Detroit. No, Detroit come to Ohio. Detroit comes to Ohio. Detroit comes to Ohio. And tear this arena of pieces. You had to see this.

So what you're saying, Detroit niggas. Remember the Big Bamble? How far as Detroit? No, Iowa. I feel like that's like 13 hours away. They went there and they was, they destroyed this arena.

They messed up by putting chairs and seats. Right. In an EPMD concert. Right. So now we got 10,000 up in there. Now, I'm the only one that got a pistol. It was wilding that night too.

Exactly. You got a pistol on. You're running through the... Right, so we're running through. Now, these niggas is busting every angle. Now, this is a moving van. Jalen? And Jalen 6-something.

You got to find the way to get out of here, man. So he jumped in the moving band. Luckily, I don't know. How he did this? The man made it. We're doing. Van never stopped. Never stopped. Jalen. We all came out the venue.

Everybody came out at the same time. We had to come back and catch a Another door about now. Vam rolling, Jalen jumped in, kept it moving. He would have been dead because the niggas was on us. No, the time in Carolina when they were there was, there was, the bull was coming by my head. Let's talk about it.

We in North Carolina, was what the niggas called them boys called that gang. We go out the party. We walk in there, special aid them going there first. Right? Did he have it made already? Yeah, of course. DJ going there, right? All of a sudden, we walk in there next, me and my man.

Parents are not there with us. I'm in the after party with the guy who I was selling the drugs with. Are you stuck with him? Yeah, that's our man. Because you just dropped in them for one day, you said. One day. All of a sudden, all of a sudden.

The niggas was like, ain't no stars in here. So, you know, kind of playing us kind of. My man wasn't happening. Hit him. Boom. The dude's gun dropped. So when the gun dropped, it was rolled. towards the inside so we went to go out for the pistol you know and it was moving

fast for my children so we back strapped and said we ain't gonna get that so we ran out back there's not that yo it's not that half now I'm 30 pound lighter than this my man's in top shape know you're neck and neck with this nigga Carl Lewis going they're coming from out the car under the tires, I mean busting. Don't know how we live. I jump in a ditch somewhere in the back. They're the other guy.

They were sitting in there. So all of a sudden, some girls from the highway has stopped, but I'm like, I'm yelling, niggas is like, Eric, I'm like, yo, down here. Yo, so we get back,

Big Daddy Kane hears about it. Him and the certain man terminated had them big gun. It's like, yo, I like that happened yesterday, man. Those niggas is gone now, man. I'm still late now. Okay, well, I gotta bring it back to what you said earlier because I feel like you said that

Kane went on after y'all. But did you say Kane came on with a speedo? I just got to get to the street. Got to actually... I don't know if you was being... He knows the story, no. We didn't talk about this. Kane is to come on stage or the Speedo?

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Yo, we used to get escorted to the county line a lot. We used to have the hostage negotiate to get our people back, And then they'd be like, well, you could have your boys back long as you leave the state. Me and Paris fought Hammer. And about 50 of his niggins. No, not Hammer.

Hammer had too much gupp. They got him out of there. They got him out of there. They got him out of there. But we had to fight him and some of the police department. MC Hammer. Yes. Just a misunderstanding.

But Vanilla Ice was opening for us. Him misunderstanding. Hammer told... Hammer told... I think they're crazy. Hammer told... Told us... Hammer from Oakland.

Hammer told us... Yo, Hammer told us... Big shout out to lose, morale. Yeah, Hammer told us to... Don't have your man dancing on the speakers. So we said, okay, cool. It's your tour. My nigga, Fendi from Queens, you know, for Rockaway.

Pete Moore. He didn't even want to hear all that. That's what he do. Yeah. He jumped on the speakers. Anyway, while and out. When the shit's over, somebody comes to Fendi Tori,

So Padders comes over to say to see what's going on. So the dude, you know, puffed up at P. P broke the glasses, the frame, the chick, boom, niggins, everything came up this thing, right? So, again, we're six, two and a half, heavy-said chocolate brown. I was a man, get up to the ground, we're like, get that shit, d'n, you know, like,

you know, so after a while, we go into a whole So after a while, we go into a hallway and we stuck me, Paris, and solo, and we trapped with about 50. You know it's about 50 of them anyway. More Michael Jordan suits, before the Jordan suits. And we talked about Ence & Hammy. Yes. Yes. The Antonella Ice and Encee Ham was kind of down together.

Russell Simmons had the call. The tour got hoping for a couple of days. Exactly. And don't forget we had the power, so we was flying. Yeah, but they, yeah, but he called. Did the M.C. Hammer have speed those on too? No, no, no. He wasn't there. They got the mouth. Yeah. On the hammer like me, oh. But the way the whole thing went down at the end,

everything ended right. In the right. From the Leo, a bunch of police. Y'all, a man who normally gets down, just opened the back door. Okay. We left. Somebody stole our mic that night, and we had the audacity after we tore that place up to go to the precinct and see if anybody turned to the mic. I can give you, I want to give you, though, more. stories because people were like, I mean, we was bullies, but we fought mostly every rapper.

Fuckin the movies, you were bullied. Nah, yeah, we had a lot of hanging. We were getting stepped to or getting, like, taking advantage of, but now I'm not going to step to me, but I'm like, are you serious? All right, we used to constantly get a scored back in Tarinas, for real. You see this, nigga? By the D's. Like, I'm looking at it, do you see?

And Pryors was straight out of the football? We was like, did you see us? Paras looked like. No, but what I'm saying, but they did, and like, a couple of rappers, I'm like, I'm like, Damn, you ain't gonna win, man. Like, in my head, when I'm looking at, like, you know, coming down, whatever, like, we ain't gonna win. And, again, and we scared something

that didn't want to come out to dress room and mention no name, but they didn't come in my dressing room. And they had mothers with them and everything. A couple of big men that you like, a couple of things. Yeah, come across off. Yo, rest it. Yo, our arms, you know.

You know what a little bathroom they have in the production office where you're picking up your money? You know, we stayed in with the Cups. They stayed on the phone with rush management. Yeah, with Cubs. Locked up. We got 25,000 people.

They're not going on the stage. They locked that tour bus up and everything. Lock everything. Where's the young girls? Where's City Boy, D. and Young, really? They're out there? Yeah, they did it on the gates. Right, right.

Shut the gates. You know what? What's something right? What's on? What's on? You know? But this is what? What?

What, what they're describing as me? As a CEO, I want you to understand what the fuck they're saying. Like, rush management was crazy. Yeah, everybody. If you wasn't on Def Jam, you had to be on Rush. And that eventually turned into Violator. Right. Yeah, wow, that's true.

It eventually turned. And then, and then, because I felt like I was on Def Jam my whole career, but I wasn't. I was on Violator. I was on Violator. I was on Violator. I was on Violet. I guess Rush. Russ, excuse me, Ross, I thought he was like, you fuck it, and he gave it to Baby Chris.

Right, that's what he called. That's what his name was. Yeah, Baby Chris, Chris, it wasn't, like, Baby Chris. And actually, Chris Lighty name is actually not even Chris. Chris Lyddy's real name is Darrell Lytty. Oh, my gosh. So, baby Chris was because Is Mike, Mike Whitey? Real Mike is Mike Lyddy? Mike Worry? Mike Worry? But, to tell you the truth, Chris was his father. That's why they call him baby Chris. Wow. So Chris Lytley's real name.

And that's how I know, because when he first signed me, I was like, you'll send me $50,000 or $15,000 or whatever. And then I kept going to the Western Union back in the days you could send that shit. Like you're sending that type of shit. And I kept putting out, Chris Liddy, and they was like, no, you're close, though. Right. Right, right. You got to have the exact name.

They actually can't tell me. So I was like, what? And I finally called Claudia and he was like, niggas, niggas, his name is Darylite. And I was like, oh shit, I didn't know that. But the reason why they called him Baby Chris is because his father's name was Chris. So the reason why I want everybody to know is one of the best situations, best places I ever seen in life was 170 varic.

You remember that? You could roll dice there. You would get a haircut and you get supposed to, every little bit of you was into. but that's kind of when we got mobile but Deft Jam was let me tell you something it was let me tell you something it was like that

it was bad boys all the label's trying to be like that it was bad like that it was Deft Jan first yeah 17 bag and they had the other office there was my Chunk King or I was getting it though

175 was it we started off Elizabeth Street where the original rush Shower away downtown but then 175 when it got there it was like for me It was like a hood outside of the hood meaning grand transportation

Oh man you remember that much money grand revenue I spent a lot of money I did that I still all grand no nothing Yeah exactly used to call us like key talk to all day that's all day but I'm gonna be honest that office felt like the hood outside of the hood yeah But it also felt like this is, this is, when you make it, this is how it's supposed to live. You, to sell a million records, like, you had to do it's different. Like, you were, you was 98, DMX, like, you know, against you. In a million, million records category, like, you was.

Yes. I remember you was battling Despoa with me, you, and Peter Guns and them, like, one, two, and three. But again, rappers are light, super thug and fucking Peter Gun. What's what the other thing? I remember your video. You hit the video on the drop-tile. Hit the video on the drop-tile. I remember, I was like, damn, I gotta take him down.

I'm gonna take him down. You know, you did. And I remember him, be able to, because we did, what a dude from MTV, TRO? What's the name? Not Toray, no. No, T-R-O-the-W-W-A-G guy. No, not Johnny Carson, I bug it.

Carson, Gary. Carson, yeah. I meant to be on the beach interview in that day. I'm like, damn, no he got number one. That's super thug was. You, I was. It was ringing so hard. I'm like, yo, Leo, listen, man.

We got to, you know, we got to drop another record. He's like, nah, we're all right. And then Maxwell, we got number one album that he up. Okay, let's make it. I beat Maxwell a $5,000 pieces. But again. Maxwell got to beefing me. Maxwell, I got to tell you about this.

Because I said, on a record, I said, your niggas is gay, like the Maxwell video. and he never he never forgot that like the nigga actually went to violate it like he actually I'm a super shooter at this time like I'm super shooter right like I don't have shooters

I am the shooter so he came to violate that because he was a street dude nobody really knew it yeah he was and I was a street dude and then Chris Lighty called me and said yo who did you do to Maxwell I

oh man because at this time I just say dumb shit in my around I didn't know people actually listen to me. So Maxwell was eating. Only a million people. And he came. And he came.

And he told the niggas, you tell Norrie, me and him got to fight. And Chris is like, yo, Nori's going to shoot you. You don't want to fight. But I just thought it was the dobes thing that the R&B nigga to fight me. Like, I actually, I told everybody, You're Max where I want to pay me? No, that's crazy.

Another thing before we go, that's so big. I want to go and start getting to the middle, though. Please. But love is a situation where we need that more, like you said before. That is so important. We can change a lot of shit by niggas just loving instead of the shit, right? And then, Michael Ebb said, too, over 40. The only reason that I'm going to put these up, if it's necessary.

I don't get a fuck. If you call me a fat fuck or your music sucks or whatever, I'm going home. Because my 12-year-old son, he's his dad. That's right. The only way I'm going, if I'm put in a position, where I'm protecting my family or put in the city where I got to get out, then I'm putting these up. But other than that, though, I can't see you being,

this is 47, 48 years old and saying, yo, I'm talking these streets like, fuck that nigger. And you hear niggas talking mess or on the web and doing this shit on the text and all this age. I'm not fighting you, my nigga. I should stop. I'm not fighting you. We shouldn't die.

Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem is hip hop got to start taking responsibility, meaning there's no way you should fight. There's no way you should fight. This has got to be somebody that's in the club saying, what? I know. Are you talking to who?

Like, what? I know. Who did? What? Right. And we got to, that's the thing is, everybody that's a... Everybody that's here, we got to start taking responsibility.

And because, you know why, and this is the reason why we started this, because we got to actually protect our legends. Like, we actually do. We actually do. Like, if you see... Got him to protect you, like I told you. And now, a legend. And now, he's black.

He's black. But I remember, I remember seeing Prince just go somewhere, and I remember seeing the club just, just, whoop. It just stood behind that there. And just stood behind. And he came in by itself and he levitated. Yeah. In my mind, I didn't see him walk.

Yeah, I see him go. I did. He was sure, like, whoa. In my mind, definitely. Yeah. But it was like, damn, I saw that. I mean, I saw it. But that's exactly like, if Raq Kim coming to club, if EPMD coming to club, if EPMD coming to club, and anything happened, anywhere around, y'all, it's my fault.

Not it's my fault, like I made it happen. It's my fault because I could have prevented there. And I got to set the presidents. I know I'm dyslexic. Right, right there. I got to set the presidents. I said it right? Yes.

I got to set the presidents. I'll be scared. I got to set the precedence. I got to set the presidents. So that the next generation set the presidents for me. Yes. The thing about that is we have to do that. But thank, Norrie.

After we left the game, there's been no one there. No. That's why I see apologized. to Soldier Boy, because Soldier Boy said, listen, you arguing at me, but we had nobody to tell us nothing. So all he did what I knew. Right. He was arguing and he apologized to.

He was arguing with the terrorist running. Right. Yes. Same shit. Yeah, I didn't know. We didn't have them to go on. See, we had something to go on when we came. You had, you know, a map.

It was a rough time. It was way worth of time. But now. You could look left, baby Chris was there. We looked right. You know what the Mac. Yes. It was a new through the front of how to do it.

Right. Exactly. Exactly. And that's the reason why if anybody, if you're listening to this, like I told, I was telling you outside, P. I was telling you outside that I had checked into this hotel, right? And when I checked into this hotel. Oh, that didn't sound good. That didn't sound good at all.

You okay? She okay. But I had checked into this. I had checked into this hotel, right? And when I check into this hotel The guy says to me, thank you And I said thank you for what And he goes, you put me on a duck down

Right Right A part of me wanted to smack the shit out of there It's how the fuck can I put you on a duck down But then another part of me was like Damn I gotta recognize what I'm doing Because he's 23 years old

He didn't know He didn't know Right So when he heard the duck down interview He went and he did his research and he went and he you know he actually knew who smith and weston was and then he knew it

but he was open right so part of me still wanted to smack him because I'm like damn but then the other part of me was like this guy don't even know I'm norie right because he wasn't educated he don't even know I'm norie he's looking at me like the podcaster

and that's what you said on your video the other day you sent a video and you were like yo Norrie tell his next who you is but I don't even care No I don't you don't care But I just felt that. I said what I wanted to say because that was me. I want to get a little.

Shack I did, take it back. But the thing about it is, the thing about it is, I don't care if people have to look at me like that. And I can still represent hip hop. I'm going to say one thing before we jet. Right here, North. This is no disrespect as far as what's going on. And no, you know, we know we're nowhere near the white and black thing.

Mm-hmm. If we don't make a stance, they would want to start the arrow off with Marshall Maders. Yes. You know what I thought about the other day? The number one rapper in the world, the number one selling rapper in the world is Eminem. Eminem.

And it's not going to do him because he's incredibly nice. Yes. But that's what the culture is going to. If they can rewrite it. You know what I thought about, Ian? I'm so sorry to cut you off. You know what I thought about the other thing? And this is the reason why I love what we.

we doing. Because I thought about it. I said, yo, what happens if hip hop is just tarnished for the next hundred years, right? Right. And what happens when they actually go do research?

You know what they can actually look up love and hip hop? That's horrible. I'm just saying, but it's televised. So think about it. So think about my thing. My thing is they can actually go and pull up loving it. Like, because

the history books is going to fuck shit up. It's gonna fuck life up. Right. So just imagine it's his story. But it goes back to what Eric said. We have to have, we should have categories for hip hop, so everything is not just shoved under hip hop on the one label. It should be true.

Before it gets written off the way we said, but you know his be going to fuck it up. His story is going to fuck it up. His story, if we don't work, like he said, we stop working. So now that we work. And then when you said, too, you might with the records. You can't do it. You know there's people out there.

Even if don't worry about what you think about what mainstream is. It's going to hear you make the records and do you. It's going to come. You know, when I tell you that it's going to be blessed and it's going to come that the world will hear it, I promise you. The world is going to hear it. It's a different type of vibe now. The world don't woke up.

The ignorance is true. You're in the fifth dimension now. You know that, right? The people don't woke up now. They woke up. And that's what we got. But they want you to hear you. I'm telling you.

That's true. You know what you're in the rhyme again. You know, on the business tip, we just did a new deal with title and hits quad digital. So these are the power moves that we make out. Oh, we're breaking news right now? Yeah. This is what we doing. He's awesome.

Yeah, yeah. I want you to describe what you just said, because you said you did a deal with title, digital. So that means you're an artist owner. Yes. That's correct. And I want people to understand what that means. That means that you could be an artist. Let me get a chicken.

That means you can be an artist and you can still own your shit. I'm going to take two. That's correct. And this is what we're doing. Explain that. So basically... And then you're eating chicken. You're looking like that.

All the work that we put in back in the early parts of our career is coming back around. So we self-contained, independent, in-house. And this is the way we're going to fund on it because in the technology era, it's all about content now. They even think download is going to be out. in a minute and it's all about the live streaming. You know you're doing it. Let me ask you this. Do you like streaming?

Because to me, I like streaming because I feel like your haters even listen to you, because they feel like they're not supporting you. Oh yeah, but they are. You got to be seen. You have to be seen. You can just have the membership. So, you know, we just cover it on basis. That's the dovers part.

That's the dober. Because even if you press it, you're watching, you got viral records. You'll report it. and the haters tuned into what we actually doing. How much is the stream? Well, 1500. 1,500 streams equals one album.

One albums, though. That's terrible. Right. Bad for the artist, but on the record, you're owner. If you're only, you're good. Then the stream, then there's money. So, yo, big shout out to Daniel for the, you know,

making the head squad, digital coming. Chants for having us to you think. Big shout up, yes. Thank you. Norie got me up, Les. That's not, that's the drink chance. me up. You know,

promise me. Hey, yo, hold up. Time up. Can we give our social media tags now?

Yes. Please. Please give it out. Give it out. Tell them who fuck. Where you at? Oh, yeah,

yeah, my bad. Oh, I thought I did it before. Okay. You know, Eric Sermon, Eric E-R-I-C-

underscore Sermen on Instagram and I am Eric Sermen on Twitter. And, of course, death frogs on Instagram and deffrogs.

On www. www. That's correct. At Defrug. At their brugs. Yo, and I'm on Instagram, on PMD underscore Mike underscore Doc, on Twitter, on PMD of EPMD. And then Facebook, P&D of EPMD. I don't have you got a Facebook.

That's how you know. Yeah, you got to be. We got one. I ain't got one either. But listen, my brothers, I'm going to be honest. Yeah. I really appreciate it, y'all. Yes.

I really appreciate it. You called for us and we came. We heard it. You called and you came and you know what? No, you called for us, we heard. And we're happy about that. And you know what? I don't want this to be your first, your second.

I wonder how I want you to always come back. We got to do a hit squad of this. We got to do it in this squad. We got to do it hit squad of this. And while we got this platform, I don't know how long we're going to have this platform at this level. Right.

So you know what I want to do? I want to continue to support people that I want to support. Right, no. And that's why y'all hear. Yes. Because, but the thing about it is, we don't know. Oh, we do know.

How about that? We do know that hip hop should be celebrated. Yeah. And that's my last meeting with Leo Combs. The last time I seen him. He said, do you know what this is working? I said, no. He said, because hip hop has never had a celebration.

We always tear each other down. Yeah, well, why do you? Why didn't he fix it? I'm fixing it. No, I'm saying. I'm saying. He didn't tell you that. No, I didn't ask him that.

I'm sorry. I'm not that smart. But I just wanted to take the compliment. I definitely didn't want to get in depth. But the thing about it is, I thought he had a point because hip-hop should be celebrated. Like, why the fuck we can't? So the thing is...

Look what hip hop really is in the colleges, in the high school, how the teachers celebrate all the students. You know, you know, let me tell you something, Pete, one thing, I'm in like Kentucky somewhere, right? And some guy, he does a step. And as soon as he does a step, the other guy goes, oh shit, you're from such, such. And they're like, yeah, they do this shit together. It's a white guy and a black guy. But you know what it was? fraternity brought them together.

Yes. That's what the hip hop is. Yo, no racism in hip hop. There's no racism in hip hop. We're supposed to, we're our fraternity. So, no matter where you're at or whatever. No matter what, right, I hear you. No matter, like, you're going to be from New Orleans.

I got you. We're supposed to say hip hop, hip-hop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they did. But what they did back then. So that's what I'm trying to tell people. What I'm trying to say is that hip-hop is supposed to be a real fraternity. Now, before you get up out of here,

I've been trying to start something called a hip-hop union, which means we want everybody to get 1% of their profits. Not, you don't need a lot. And the problem is, if DMX has a problem and DMX needs to be held down, the hip-hop union takes care of it. Right. So I try to do that.

Like, who hurt when he's in trouble? Donate And the thing about it is The thing about it is I don't know it sounds impossible Because we're dealing With niggas

Right Right Exactly And we're all niggas Yeah I want my 1% back Right You said that So many people

Want their 1% back But the thing About it is We got a thing About the less fortune You're right Like how about I love this

How about Like Chi Ali Like Chi Ali That's my man I'm down with this He said he He did something And he admitted

And he took his crime But Bison said He never did it And he still maintains that to this day. He did eight years. And he said he never did it, but he

never had a lawyer. Right. And the thing about the hip-hop union, we should all be together. And now somebody... Say it up, man. Don't talk to them on. Says it up. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. I just want to make

show you. Yeah, because Nari, then we would be the only billion, multi-billion dollar industry that don't have a union. With no protection. Right. Us in boxing. Right, right.

Us and boxing. Big shout out to DMX too. Yeah, but that's what I'm trying to say. Let me tell you something. I'm sorry. I don't know if everybody's listening. I don't know. But, you know, the other day, we've seen DMX on stage.

And men of us really appreciated it, right? We didn't appreciate, not the fact that we didn't appreciate him on stage. But we just like, that's our king. Our king got a little different. Yeah. So if he needs help, the thing. I can't do it but myself, but if we do the hip-hop union, and people just say, you know what, let's put him in the headlock.

Yeah, but he got to do it, too. No, it's true. But if he does want to do it, for us to provide... Have the infrastructure. Yeah, the infrastructure, yes, I got you. You understand what I'm saying? Yes. Because it's like, it's like, it's just like, yo,

you know, because the rock guys do it all the time. Like, it's nothing. Because it's comfortable. There's nothing embarrassing about it. Just that's about it. Like, like, like, like, like, they make. you pay to do a movie yeah actors girl that's what I'm saying sag so they they actually make you say here goes this amount of money and then you're a

part of the union and then now you do the movie and then you get paid right why the why why it's crazy that we have hip hop is 30 fucking five 40 years old why we can't do that why we can't actually take care of like it's been so no I hear you there's so many different times where I'm like yo damn I know if I cut the check, oh, I know if I do it, it might be perceived bad because they're like, what the fuck he thinks he is? Like, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying?

How many you do it? Well, I do the union. I say, yo, oh, okay. And you know it's okay and you're comfortable with it. You'll pick up the phone and be like, yeah, you'll get a bed ready. Got you. It'll be like the teamsters. Right.

And that's it because, because, you know why? And then come out a better person. This is what I'm saying. That's the point. Who wouldn't want that for you? Because if we don't protect ourselves, nobody's going to protect us. And I know we're kicking it, we're talking together, but this shit is real. Like, that shit was real.

I love it. When I seen certain people, when I've seen them that I can help, but I've seen also, these niggas are niggas. And I'm a nigger, too. And he might take it personally if I step up in a certain way. Of course he is. So I sat back and I said, damn. First we started with the hip-hop. You started with the hip-baw flag.

I feel like, you know, I'm sorry, I'm getting deep. Getting deep. But I stay at the W hotels, right? I love the W. I really do. But every W has a gay flag out there. Am I saying no? Am I saying, don't take the gay flag out? No, but that's, it's an automatic identification.

I didn't realize that. It's an automatic identification that your kind is welcome here, right? I feel like we should have a hip-hop flag that no matter where you go you see this flag and you know you welcome you understand because I could go to a restaurant right now right and I could go and I got a little bit of Brad

so whatever but I won't know if I'm accepted to the bill comes I want to know I'm accepted prior to that I want to walk into a restaurant and say oh shit, I know I'm good in there because they got the hip hop flag The same way

And I'm not comparing hip hop to gays Like I'm not doing that I understand they play I understand I understand But at the same token That's the respect When you look and you say damn You see that flag

They welcome in there I'm down with both for the union The flag Let's get you guys I'm right there I'm right there And yo Nory I have to say

Yes Yeah I'm sorry See in Capone For real Right off time when I see them Yeah Again you hear stuff You don't know

And now you see it like yo Niggas is Rolls at the house For the album like yo See it in and like what do you think You had us on the list You know on the list We wasn't sure until we came in

Keep us on the list Keep us on the list No there's no question No bitch in the drop Yo Okay no doubt man I can't take you on Mark PACE

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