Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Gillie Da Kid & Shaggy (Ep. 49)

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this throwback episode, we take it back to our conversation with Shaggy and Gillie Da Kid! Shaggy and Gillie pull up and drop gems! Gillie keeps it real, sharing his grind from Philly streets to becoming a rap OG, spitting game about putting the city on the map and shaping the culture.  Shaggy vibes out, breaking down how his reggae classics like It Wasn’t Me and Boombastic blew up worldwide, proving the power of staying true to your roots.  From wild industry stories to dropping knowledge on the hustle, they keep it 100, serving laughs, wisdom, and legendary energy in this classic Drink Champs episode! Make some noise for Shaggy and Gillie Da Kid!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: 🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the whole time. Self-proclaimed king of Philly. Been doing it since the major figure days. That's what major figures mean. Been a boss. Came in the game. Out here doing it. Still out here smiling.

Looking good. Jewelry shining. You know what I mean? Necklace is heavy. Seen this gram the other day. He was in yesterday or today. He was in the Opa locker

and he scared a dog away. I love it. I love it. Right now we talk about my homeboy. Gilly the Kid in the open locker and he scared a dog away. I love it. Right now, we talk about my homeboy, Gilly the Kid in the building. Philly, what's up? Make some noise! Yeah, Gilly, I gotta get straight to it.

Gilly, you know, Chicago looks like the dangerous city, but Philadelphia right now looks like the most out of control. Yeah, we definitely... Yeah, we definitely out of control. There's a lot of history in Philly, too. There's a lot of history. Yeah.

A lot of history. But, you know, I want to start this off by saying, because you know, Nori said, you know, self-proclaimed king of Philly. No, I'm the people's champ. I knew you wanted that. I'm the people's champ. I wanted you to correct me. I wanted you to correct me. I like that. No, the people call me the king of Philly. No, I'm the people's champ. I'm the people's champ. I wanted you to correct me. I like that. The people call me the king of Philly.

You feel what I'm saying? You could go to the internet. Is that where I think you had a king of Philly project, correct? King of Philly 1, 2, and 3. Is that where your disputes or differences arrived

with Beans? No, me and Beans never had no differences over that. I mean, Beans is the Broad Street bully. Right. You know, I salute him on that. Never wanted to be that, you know. I mean, at the end of the day, when you look at all the young, when you

look at all the young kids that's coming up from Philadelphia and name them, you say, who helped you? They're going to say, Gilly. Because you were technically the first one on with major figures. Absolutely. And what major figures? That was Ed Lab is in there.

Dutch. Bianca. Dutch and Spade. Roley. Yo, yo, listen, Philly got mad talent. Absolutely. That's the beginning of rap. You know what I'm saying?

Like, bars. Absolutely. Will Smith, we let him slide. That's part of it, too. Come on, man. Jesse Jeff with the L.A. C.J.'s and hip-hop from Philly. Yeah, Jesse Jeff with bars. They had some, you know, they was for the era.

You know what I mean? Will had a couple hit records. So take us to the beginning, the major figure days. You guys came out. It was six of y'all, correct? It was seven of us. Seven. Okay.

You guys come. And how did y'all get introduced to the game? What label was that again? I signed with Schwab House. Oh, shit. Dutch and Speed. I signed with Undertainer. Undertainer, man. Lava was out in Cali with House. Oh, shit. Dutch and Speed. I signed with Undertainment. Undertainment, man.

Lava was out in Cali with Dre. Mm-hmm. And I had the group deal over at Warner Brothers. Mm-hmm. Rough House. You got labels around. Let's make some noise. That's a lot of text.

Let's get it all together. You got to get to that chicken, man. In the time of the labels, too. In the time of the labels. Absolutely. It was a time of no internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you had to get it from the muscle. They heard about you from the labels, too. In the time of the labels. Absolutely. It was a time of no internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you had to get it from the muscle.

They heard about you from the streets. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, with that being said, you adjusted to the internet very well. Absolutely. Like, I got real niggas that I fuck with, and they don't fuck with social media, but they follow you. Yeah. They fuck with you.

Absolutely. And everybody always, they always send me videos of you. How did you, how was it, how was it the transition to know that? Because us being street dudes, we kind of taught to stay away from the camera. Yeah. So, but now we got to use it to our advantage. And you were smart with that. You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely. So, yeah. I mean, you know, honestly, you know, I always was known for, you know, talking heavy on the DVDs even back in the day. You know what I'm saying? Take some rosé, my brother. And I got it. I'm totally disrespectful. I totally, I'm totally, I'm totally so into your conversation.

I forgot to be hospitable. You're not a good host, though. You're not a good host. Am I allowed to say it? Hospitable. I forgot to be hospitable. This is like dry champs right now? I got to show you how we do it.

This is how we do it. This is called P-Sing. This is how they do it. What's it called? What's it called? It's called P-Sing. P- how we do it. This is called P-Cine. This is how they do it. What's it called? It's called P-Cine. P-Cine? P-Cine. That's how they do it in France.

You know what I'm saying? That's China. You got to have the thumb. Got to make sure the thumb is there. So this is the problem. Y'all got a main, I mean. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Y'all got a main area. So we hit the major... Normally, this is the internet thing yeah so you know there was no internet like that what i'm saying so i was always known for talking heavy on the dvds you know what i mean and then uh one day i get a call from uh fendi um cocaine um uh dirty money fin yeah a little Kid Manager right now Yeah, and he like, yo man You gotta start talking crazy You know you one of the greatest shit talkers

Ever walked the face of the earth This music right here I'm listening to Is incredible man, but you not being Gilly, something with you talking about You know what I mean So he said, you know you gotta start talking your shit But you know, so I said, alright I'm you know, you got to start talking your shit. But, you know, so I said, all right, I'm going to take his advice. Salute to you talking that shit, brother.

You know what I mean? Let's get them drinks up in your man. Come on, let's go, baby. But, you know, as a young'un, I used to do it in a different way. So I said, you know, I'm a little older now. I can't do it in that way. So, you know what I mean? What I'm going to do?

Okay, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to give him some game because I'm a nigga that's been shot. I've been locked up. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to do. I'm going to give them some game because I'm a nigga that's been shot. I've been locked up. You know what I'm saying? I've been to Thailand. I've been to London, Dubai, Paris, Japan. You put shots and got locked up in Thailand. You feel what I'm saying?

That was hard. Locked up abroad. So, you know, I've seen every spectrum. You know what I mean? I've been to college. Right. You feel what I'm saying? So, you know, I've seen pretty much everything you can see out here.

You know what I mean? So I just figured, let me give them some game. I can go to my DM right now, and I can show you. It's hundreds on top of hundreds on top of hundreds of people that are just asking questions. Well, Gilly, my girl is this. What do you think? You get back to all of them? was this what you think you get back to all of them i mean i can't get back to all of them you know i get back to a few of them when i can i got a life too you know what i'm saying but let me ask you a question what was your first reaction when you heard um meek and beans on the record together For that night It seemed like the city was united

For a night I mean I felt good about it I didn't understand really where Where Beans came in With the game thing But you know I was I was like cool But did the city feel like

Did it feel like Niggas is trying to get it together? A little bit, but. Like from the outside looking in, I was like, wow, Philly is together. It probably felt like that a little bit more from the outside looking in. But in Philly, see, in Philly, everybody pretty much fuck with each other. You feel what I'm saying? I fuck with A.R. Ab.

I fuck with Oskino. I fuck with Meek. I fuck with, you feel what i'm saying i fuck with a.r. ab i fuck with oskino i fuck with meek i fuck with you know what i'm saying everybody it's just a couple individuals that's having problems but for the most part everybody fuck with each other you know what i'm saying that even the young niggas that i got records with pnb rock i got records with core i got records with lights you feel what i'm saying that's right here you know what i mean i got records with Lights You feel what I'm saying That's right here You know what I mean I got records with everybody You know what I mean And they all got records together You feel what I'm saying

So for the most part Everybody in Philly Fuck with each other From the outside looking in It just looked like You thought that that was like A dope moment Yeah absolutely

I thought I definitely thought it was dope You know what I'm saying And then Then it went fast Then it went Then it went south It went crazy I see you on Instagram saying, somebody's got to die.

Oh, shit. Did you say that? I'm old school. You know what I mean? When you start to call people rats, it's like, whoa.

It's like, hold on. This shit shit going somewhere else You feel what I'm saying I mean I don't know what they situation is But I just know what I'm hearing And I know what's going on and I'm like Man But To your knowledge Did Meek M and Beans

They had like problems or No I never knew Meek and Beans, they had problems? No, I never knew Meek and Beans to have any problems. Right, right. But then they got on the record together, and then it went left. How did the city feel after that? I mean, the city just felt like it was a bunch of, you know, it really should have went that way. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Does it even divide the city? No, it really didn't went that way. Right. You know what I'm saying? Does it even divide the city? No, it really didn't divide the city or none of that. You know, it's just people just felt like it should have went the way it went. You know what I'm saying? Right. And then, you know, some people like, you know, you stand what you do. So it was two sides of it. You know what I'm saying?

But everybody's from the outside looking in. Nobody really knew what would actually happen. Right. You see what I'm saying? Everybody's from the outside looking in. Nobody really know what would actually happen. You see what I'm saying? So for me, I just mind my business because when the situation went down with Meek and Game. Right. You know, I talked to Game. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And I said, you know, Game, I fuck with you. Whack. What's up, nigga? You already know how we is. Whack. Right. You already know. Right.

You feel what I'm saying? But you know me. I mind my business. Only time I beef is when it's about my niggas. Indirect niggas that hang with me every day that's gonna risk they life for me. Other than that, I ain't shit.

So as the people, like you said, the people name you the king. Absolutely. Even though I do respect minding my business, but do you feel just a little responsibility, like you could maybe help the situation Or you feel like The situation is too deep You know at the end of the day

If it's two individuals that's arguing You know what I mean I'm known for stepping in In my city that's what I'm known for Let's get together Because a lot of times Niggas don't got beef The shit be made up

and they hit. They get in front of each other and it's like, no, dog, I really fuck with you. I fuck with you too. For real. Or they peoples is causing it.

It's like, what the fuck was going on then if y'all fuck with each other? Exactly. You niggas is goofy, man. Hurry up and hug us, man. Exactly. The fuck is wrong with you?

Like, you know what? You know, Fat Joe is my friend. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's my real, real, real friend. Not was, is your friend. I said, is, is. You know, Fat Joe is my friend. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's my real, real, real friend. Not was, is your friend. I said is, is. You know, I'm just less.

I always say that, right? To get out of this or something. So, like, when he asked, he was like, yo, you know, he was trying to get in contact with Jay. And I had just got in contact with him. So, I felt like my responsibility. I felt responsible. I felt like, you know what? Jay trusts me enough to get on in contact with him. So I felt like my responsibility. I felt responsible. I felt like, you know what? Jay trusts me enough to get on the phone with Joe.

Joe trusts me enough for me to lead that way. And I did it. You know what I'm saying? Because I felt obligated. You don't feel like a little bit obligated? No. If you're the king of Philly. No.

You know why I don't feel obligated? Because somebody got hands put on him. Oh, yeah. Once the hands get put on i can't step in and say yo man how nigga shit in there no i can't i'm out of my business once you get to that point you feel what i'm saying because as men you always got to give two grown men a chance and time and space to iron their own situation out but then if it drag on and okay hold on wait y'all,

what's this really about? Is this shit about something, is y'all ready to shoot it out, bang, bang? If y'all not, then what we really talking about? This shit ain't about no money. Alright, come on. Alright, everything good? But at the end of the day, when somebody, when hands get put on somebody,

somebody gets shot, some shit like that happens. I'm out of my business. It changes everything. I understand where you're coming from, man. I just want, you know, just for the people of Philadelphia to know, like, you know, I just want y'all to have it together, you know. Because you guys got a lot of talent. We're all black at the end of the day.

And I hope y'all can work it out whichever way. I don't know what can work it out. Whichever way. I don't know. I don't know what needs to be fixed. But. I mean. I don't really think nothing needs to be fixed. You know what I mean? Shout out to Meek, man.

Shout out to Seagull, man. Shout out to Beans, man. You know what I mean? How powerful more would the city be if everybody was fucking with each other? I mean. It would be. Absolutely. But.

You know. For whatever reason. I can see the Philly talk for whatever reason everybody ain't with each other but i'll put with everybody everybody imagine a philly tall right i want to invest in one night just one night because i noticed something gonna happen out there and that's all because it's crazy you gotta understand you gotta understand at one time, state property and us was really trying to, you know what I'm saying? Add each other. Add each other.

Add each other. Like, serious, add each other. You feel what I'm saying? And now, we all good. Right. You feel what I'm saying? I used to like Bianca. She never gave me no play.

No. Never gave me no play. Big you up, Bianca. I'm sorry. I had a moment there. I'm sorry. You were left with that. But y'all good now You good with beans How about Pete Crack?

Yeah I was with Crack in the studio too You know what I mean? I'm praying for y'all, my brothers Because you know why It's just I used to What y'all going What the city's going through, I went through. Yeah.

And I realized that if I smack you, all it's going to do is put something red on you. That's it. But if I put my shit together and I punch you, I can knock you the fuck out. Absolutely. So what I'm trying to say is I can knock you the fuck out. Absolutely. So what I'm trying to say is we always better when it's together. Right. We're always better. When it's together.

You know what I mean? But a lot of people don't know that. A lot of people want the quick smack. Right. And the smack is just to have attention. Right. No, let's knock the nigga out. Absolutely.

But in order to knock the nigga out, we got to be together. Right. That fist got to be closed. There's some niggas that can knock you out with a smack. Absolutely. It's just I ain't one of them. I ain't man is strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm super strong. I'm just not one of them. You know what I'm saying? But again, so, you know, I got to give all the love. So now major figures. Now, was it always your plan to be a solo artist? I mean, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

It was all our plans to do, like, you know, as it was Dutch and Spade. It was Dutch and Spade. You feel what I'm saying? I had my solo shit. You know, Bianca was a solo artist. Bump was a solo artist. Lava was a solo artist. But we was all a group. You feel what I'm saying?

Now let's get to the cash money days, baby. Oh, yeah. Let's get to them, baby. That was some good days. Some good days. Some money days, baby. Oh, yeah. Let's get to them, baby. That was some good days. Some good days. Some good days, man. Good days. Was you the first really nigga to sign cash money? I believe so.

How did that happen? At the time, I was signed with Draper, Tony Draper. And he was going through whatever he was going through with, you know, Universal. And I wasn't able to put an album out. So it was a concert in Philadelphia with Cash Money. And on the show, I was coming out right before Cash Money. So I seen Stunner backstage and, you know, he was like, yo, what's up? You know, I fuck with you. You know what I mean?

If you get out that situation, you win. I got an S for you. You know what I mean? Talk about the cash money piece. I'm like, cool, all right. So, you know, me and Drape always been cool. You know, me and Drape got a different kind of relationship. You know what I mean?

Drape is a real life. You know what I'm saying? That's Suave House, so everybody knows that. Yeah. So, you know, I just called Drape up like, yo, Drape, you know, I got an opportunity. I was hollering at, you know, Stunner, Blase, Blase. So Drape said, okay. He was just going to release me.

But Drape gave me some real nice chicken up front. The biggest contract he ever gave anybody. You got a couple of big contracts. Right. front the biggest contract he ever gave anybody you got a couple of big cars so i knew i had the leverage because i knew justin the way stunner was looking he wanted me to get on that team so you know i worked out something with drake got shot his something i got shot me something nice then we made it happen and now at first it always looked like you was having fun around them at first. Me?

Yeah. I mean, it was fun. Around cash? Cash money, yes. It was fun. We had some fun days, you know. I developed a lot of good relationships around cash money. And now, so where did it go south?

What happened? What happened? Oh, yo, look, I got you. I got you. You're not giving the bing ting. I got you. By the way, let me just explain. Pissing is when you put ice and champagne in France.

It's the cause to make a pool. But I like the way they pour the bottle. So I took their word as zing, and I made it my shit. So just in case, you know what I'm saying? I did it. That's what I'm doing. It's not like you're pissing. We're pissing. We are pissing.

Pissing is someone's cup. So because at one point, you was beefing with Cash Money. Yeah. I mean, I really wasn't beefing, you know, because. But you're cool now. Yeah, absolutely. Were you too, Amber? Yeah, I'm cool.

But take us to those days back then. You know, Wayne had put out a problem solver. You know what I mean? And he said, Gilly,illy man I don't think you really want to fuck with me the guns but I kept saying dog he's saying really like he not you know my niggas wasn't trying to hear that even my six year old

son was at the time was like he said Gilly so you know just the competitor me I said okay I called them I mean I did the honorable thing left a message no call back so I dropped it this right hmm okay you know what did you feel like cash money when you did that? Yeah. It was all in cash money. Let's make some noise for that guy, Derek. Derek! That was hard.

Oh, I got one. I got one. Oh, shit. That shit fucked my ear. It was the competitive league. And there was allegations because, you know, the old Drake ghostwriting things. Those allegations that you was writing a couple of people's shit over there. Was that true?

Some shit happened. Some shit happened. I'll take that. Some shit happened. Some shit happened. No, because, you know, I like the one thing I like to be is honorable. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And I had a party in King of Diamonds. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I had a party in King of Diamonds. You know what I mean? Out here in Miami. And Stunner walked in. So, you know, I really, I know you. I know him. I know everybody that's around. This is right now? The party? Yeah, not too long ago.

No, no, no. This was two years ago. Two years ago. Okay. So, you know, I seen him. I had to approach him. Right. You know what I mean? What's up? Right.

You know, he looked me in my eyes. He said, I ain't got no problem with you. Well, I see you doing your thing. I salute you. All right. You know what I mean? All right, cool then. All right.

It's all love. So, you know, we look each other in the eyes as men, and we say it's all love. Then it's all love. I leave it there. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't going to never shortchange you, backbite you, none of that. I'm going to leave all that in the past because you look me in the eyes as a man. You feel me?

I felt okay. I see your soul, nigga. Okay, it ain't nothing. All right, cool. I respect that. You know what I mean? It's some business shit. Now, as a person that was there and you was there at the heyday, you was around, you seen, like you said, you know them.

Would you ever have thought that they'd be here in this position? Yes. What do you mean? I mean, you got to look at what Juvie went through. Oh, damn. Juvie situation, you know what I'm saying? Didn't make any fresh situations. It was like Wayne is the person who we birthed him. Like after the Juvie one

and all that. And for Wayne to go through it, you thought Wayne would have went through it? Did you ever have money discrepancies with Babe? Never. I had money discrepancies one time. Right. We getting the checks.

Mm-hmm. So, you know, he called me in the back of the tour bus. He said, Jack, get my bag. All right. Pull out the bag. Jack's a little dark-skinned. No, Jack was, yeah, low, yeah, low. You know, he said, get my bag, you know.

Mm-hmm. Pull out the checkbook. He. Nice. I like that. That was smoke. I get back to Philly. You good.

I go to cash that motherfucker. What? I wasn't prepared. Oh, Lord. Don't tell me you get your bounce check. Don't tell me you get your bounce check. I ain't talking I'm not talking bad

Listen, listen That's a check That's a check I'm not talking bad or nothing I'm just speaking facts It's the truth I'm not talking the truth God damn it

You feel what I'm saying? Real talk Because every artist on Cash Money We got a bounce check before Oh, this is a normal routine Bounce checks Oh my God So what happened?

Take me from that moment Take me from that moment. Take me from that moment. No, really. Listen. It's embarrassing, though. No, listen. You want to know what's even more embarrassing? All right, put me on, please.

Right? Uh-huh. I done got checks on top of checks, right? So what's even more embarrassing is that I'm at the bank. Right. I go to the bank. I say, what you mean? There ain that I'm at the bank. I go to the bank. I say, what you mean? There ain't no money in that account. Right.

I'd tell him. I was like, Pinky, you want some real shit? You ever seen Friday? Of course, of course. Which part? Pinky? I know. Say it again, nigga. I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah,nie, well. I know, I know. Say it again, nigga.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Nigga, I'm in the fucking bank. Like, what? Right. This is cash money records, bro. Fuck you mean? Ain't no money in there. I was about to say, wait.

Let's check again. What is he talking about? Do it three times, y'all. So, you know, when she come back, she said, I don't want to have to call the police to get you up out of here, but it ain't no goddamn money in this account. So, you know, I left out the bank. You know, I called St stunner and say yo bro

i go to the bank in the bank talking about ain't no money in that account i'm still offended say what we'll call your line door youranda's who wrote the cash money checks. Oh, wow. So then I look, my shit said Brian Williams. I said, I won't take this no more. I don't want my shit to say cash money.

So yeah, I went through that before one time. This is deep. I'm before the... I'm just speaking the truth, man. It's probably a lot of record labels that artists that don't want to do that shit. Nah, nah. Nah. You never went through that?

I've never got a bounce check for a record label, nigga. Nah, I'm going to keep it a hundred. Well, he said it wasn't technically the record label. It wasn't. That's where it went wrong. I get stunted the benefit of this. He might have had five, six accounts. You know what I mean?

He might have gave me one. But just seeing him beefing, that's not real. He might have gave me the bad one by mistake, man. I ain't going to put that on. But only once. But you heard all the incidents. No, no, no. Shit, I was only going to take once.

Not on duty. That means a pause. Not on duty. But I was only going to take one of them joints. From now on, my shit got to say, you know that means that mean calls not on duty but uh i was only gonna take one of them joints from now on my gotta say you know what i mean you pass me one of them joints is this man are you kidding me that's shaggy out there let me find out what we doing we're dragging out there so shaggy come here let's get this awkward moment going on he still got brad b that bread. That's like the third

binge that pulled up, baby. He out here rich. Yeah, look, there's another one. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Shaggy out here doing it. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. I can't get that.

That record been playing in my head all day. That and Mr. Boom Boss. Hey, let me tell you something, though, right? I bet you, because you know, I knew this nigga for a long time. This nigga right here. You robbed, you killed some nigga.

I was 16th in Susquehanna. Listen, Gilly's been nice with the boss forever. I'm on the street. I think what had just came out and they start

and Gilly, he just tear this nigga up in a cypher. You destroyed this nigga. You got balls. You hear me? You got balls. So how you like being in this new generation? Because you got balls. Your balls is flying over niggas' heads.

These young niggas are slipping lean. Poppin' Xannies. They slipping lean. They are way too stupid to understand what the fuck you saying. I mean, you gotta dumb it down a little bit. You gotta dumb it down. Absolutely. Absolutely. But let me finish telling you about this guy right here.

He was a savage before savage was a word. Let's get to it, my man. Okay, let's get to it. He probably don't even remember this, right? One night we in the club, right? Right? It's me, my homie Titta, couple other people. You remember Titta?

Titta, I think so. Keep going. Dark skin. Okay, go ahead. All right. He say. Stop lying. You know my guy 20 years.

I don't think. Go ahead. Club popping. He say, you know, my guy 20 years. I don't think so. Club popping, you know, Lori come here. We chopping it up. All right. Sova, you know, everybody leaving out music off. We standing there chopping it. What's up, nigga?

What's up, man? Fuck you. You already know. They cleaning up the club trying to go the fuck home Right? I think I remember this, yes One of the workers Start sweeping By my man's feet

This nigga Lost his Fucking mind At the time I didn't know that I didn't understand what it meant He said What the fuck is you doing? mind. At the time, I didn't know that. I didn't understand what it meant. He said, what the fuck is you doing?

I'm very superstitious. We can't walk around the pole. He grabbed him and said, I'll knock you the fuck out of here. You want me to knock this nigga out? The worker was scared to fucking death

I'm so sorry worker I'm looking like it ain't that deep bro it's deep to me I didn't know the superstition shit at the time when I clip my toenails if I go get a manicure I make sure

I leave with my shit say this again They clip your nails Yeah like when you know you get your shit done You leave with your nails I make sure I take my nails That's right That's exactly what I think they're going to do

I don't cut poles if you're walking down the street I say bread and butter I'm going to tell you why I'm superstitious My man Rashe I'm so sorry I have to tell him this I'm superstitious. My man, Rashe, I'm so sorry. I was telling this story, Rashe. But this is Halloween. We kids. So we walk down the street.

The nigga cut the pole. Everybody like, why you cut the pole? He's like, man, fuck that shit. I don't believe in none of that stupid shit. I'm a child. We rushed the fucking supermarket. It's Halloween. We taking all the shit. Chinese nigga turned around. We rushed the fucking supermarket. You know, it's Halloween. We taking all the shit.

Chinese nigga turned around. He swung one kick. The only kick he got off was Rashe. Rashe went through the window. This nigga dick got cut off, my nigga. Oh, my God. My nigga. From that day forward, I believe in superstitions, man.

You know what I'm saying? Rashe, my bad, my brother. But you know this is true. This is it. And I was terrified. As a kid, I believe in superstitions. You know what I'm saying? My bad, my brother. But you know this is true. This is it. And I was terrified as a kid. I think I'm like nine. So since then, everything, superstition. And then, yeah, my grandmother used to tell me, when you cut your nails, you make sure nobody don't take them.

So I still do that. Right now. So you walk out there Drinking with your toe nails No I didn't That's the Latino side right That's the Latino side That's your Latino side

That's 100% my grandmother My Latin grandmother That's just some real shit You can't eat at people's crib You can't do nothing When they believe in something And they install that shit in you That's why

Being Spanish is ill Like I always loved That I could go Be a nigga one day Then go be a spick the next day. And the two cultures would collide and they would fuck with me. And I had to learn how to maintain

both. I had to learn how to be like, you know what? I could be Spanish. You know what I'm saying? Like, drop me off in LA, in East LA, and I'm going to relate to one of these Mexican niggas. You know what I'm saying? And the same way, you drop me off in motherfucking North Philly, somebody ain't going to relate to you. It got weird, but I'm saying? And the same way you drop me off in motherfucking North Philly, somebody ain't going to relate to you.

It got weird, but I'm very superstitious. You might have thought I was crazy as fuck, but I probably am still a little crazy. You was going off in that motherfucker. Gilly, man, I'm very proud of you, my brother. You know why I'm proud of you? It's something

that Puff said to me one day. Puff said to me, we're about to announce something that we got. By the time this comes out, it'll be on the radio. But it's something he said to me. He said, every time I see you, you be smiling.

Like, smiling is important. Absolutely. Your haters hate when you smile And you're always smiling Tell Shaggy to come in Who is he doing? Tell him to come in But you're always smiling

Why are you not a hater, Gilly? I refuse to Shit Certain niggas just want to hate I've never seen you hate But you know, it's in their blood. I've never seen you hate. But you know, it's genetics.

You know, a nigga daddy was a hater. A nigga great granddaddy was a hater. A nigga, his great granddaddy was hating on Martin Luther King

and them niggas back in the day. That shit a long line. You know, this is in the genes. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Shaggy,

you still got a lot of money man you still got a lot of money yo yo you looking like you're wearing too much money that's Gilly the Kid Shaggy yeah I'm gonna give him a stick this is two different legends from two different things man Mr. Boom Bostic my brother my brother what's going on how you been my brother I'm good man you know Gilly yeah yeah I know other people who never really met okay you know what I'm saying well How you been, my brother? I'm good, man. You know Gilly? Yeah, well, I know Oven. Okay. Oven, who never really met. Okay, okay. Well, how you been, brother? I'm good, man. Yeah, you had a show in Miami too recently?

We had a couple of them. We was in a... Don't you live out here? You live out here, right? I used to. I used to. I used to have a house in Coral Gables. So I lived out here for a minute.

Right. I stunted for a minute. Right. So you live out there? You feel like you... No, no, no. I live in Kingston Kingston?

For real? Is Jamaica getting gentrified? Jamaica is Is the best place To live Period For real? Right

And why I say that is Alright Because Where I live in Kingston Is five minutes Everywhere is five minutes Right You know what I'm saying

Cause I'm spoiled When I'm in When I'm in Florida I gotta like drive I gotta like drive Because I'm spoiled. When I'm in Florida, I got to like drive. I got to like drive. If I'm going to go holler at somebody and say,

Fort Lauderdale, that's an event. Right. It depends on what time of the day you're driving. That's an event. You want to sit in that traffic. So you're killing

like almost the whole day. The niggas get killed in Kingston though, Shaq. Yeah. Nobody get killed in Kingston. Come on, Nori. Stop it, man. You know niggas get killed in Kingston, though, Shaq. Yeah, nobody get killed in Kingston. No, no, no. Stop it, man. Come on, Nuri. Stop it, man.

You know what was my favorite place in Kingston? Damn, man. Tivoli Gardens. Tivoli. It's the worst. But they got the best weed. Why the fuck? In Jamaica.

The hood? Got the high grade? You got to go to the hood. You stay in Montego Bay. You fucked up. You ain't getting no good weed. Hey, Montego Bay's turned up now. Have you watched the news now?

No, I have not. Because all the scammers are there. All the scammers, all the scamming. If you look, it made national news. Look, Shaq, we got you this. Yeah, but I got something else for you. Oh, yeah? Hold up, hold up, hold up.

Oh, shit. They told me you like this. This is your shit? That's my shit. Now, hold up, man. Now, this is the first. That's a sexy bottle, too. It is sexy, my brother. It looks expensive. Check this out. That shit look That's my shit. Now hold up, now this is the first. See, that's a sexy bottle too. Mmm, it is sexy.

That is dope. It look especially. Check this out, that shit look like a cologne. Mmm. That's a shit. Now hold up. Is that like a coconut? Yeah, it's a coconut.

I'm the biggest fucking coconut dance. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Now is it? Cocoyak? Cocoyak. So that's the first coconut cognac. Oh shit.

I'ma keep it real. I'm taking this home. I'm taking this home. Are you going to break it, though? In fact, Joe gave me his chain. He thought he was going to get it back. He never got it back. I'm just throwing it out there. But that's the first coconut cognac. You know what I'm saying?

And it smells so good because it smells like a vacation. So I'm going to open it up. Yeah, open it and smell it. Now, this type of thing, because it's like a perfume bottle, those chicks are going to want to eat you. You can just rub up in there. I swear to God, I'm going to rub up Yeah open it Smell it Now this This type of thing Because it's like a perfume bottle Chicks gonna wanna eat you You can just rub up in it I swear to god I'm gonna rub it on my neck

You see that You smell that You just rub up in that shit Yo that's It's very true I ain't bullshitting You know what I'm saying Oh this is good

Alright now Now you shot that motherfucker Right now Let's do it Might as well Y'all tell me to come here to drink And then y'all don't want to fucking drink I got you

The fuck is this? Where my shit at? I feel like I feel like I'm going to sweat Immediately as soon as I take this shot I love me So this is a cognac That you would shoot like this

You would take a shot of it Well No you don't have to It cost me a little more shot than that Come on god damn it But I feel like I feel like it was going to happen fast. He deserved a bigger shot.

That's a fact. Give me a shot. Try that shit. Where's your shot glass? Right there. Can you pass me that glass right there? Yeah. Okay.

Go poquito on me, bro. Come on. Come on, we both came from the same place. We started from the bottom down here, bro. I missed eight flights. Yeah, you talk all kinds of shit. I watched you show the dog all kinds of shit, and then now you want to be like some... Let's sit this shit You talk all kinds of shit. I watch your show and talk all kinds of shit. And now you want to be like some...

Let's sip this shit. Let's sip this shit. Ida-I. Ida-I. Ida-I. Ida-I. Can't take a shot with an I. All right.

All right. There you go. So shoot it down. Oh, it's smooth. Of course it is. Oh, it's smooth. It's a coconut. You feel the coconut?

You smell that shit? It's strong, but it's smooth. Yeah, that shit. Oh, it's smooth. And the coconut is right. You feel the coconut? Hell yeah. It's strong, but it's smooth. Yeah, this shit is good. You brought your bottles at home. Now, the thing about this now, you hit that a couple of times, your ass walking sideways off this bitch. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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you negotiated to get $6 or $7 an album. After the million, right? Is this true? Is this true? Is this true? It's a rumor. It's a rumor. The thing about it is, I'm the artist that nobody ever see coming.

So when we did Hot Shot, which sold Angel and Wasn't Me, the one we did Diamond on, it was a bidding. I did a record with Janet Jackson for How Stella Got Her Groove Back. I remember this. Ooh, boy, I love you. So that record, right? Now, it wasn't supposed to be a single on the album. Mary J. Blake, because the soundtrack came out on MCA.

And Mary at that time was the darling of MCA. So they put her record as the single for the movie to come out. So the movie came out, so the album had to come out But her record wasn't doing well at radio I had done this record with Janet Jackson I never met Janet Jackson We ain't done it together Jimmy Jam and Tara Lewis hollered at me

Apparently I'll tell you how we ended up Doing that record together What's the name Terry McMillan Who wrote I'll tell you how we ended up doing that record together. Wow. What's her name? Terry McMillan. Terry McMillan. Right.

Who wrote... Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's the one the story was about. Stella got... Stella got a move back. Okay, yeah. She was the one in Jamaica, and the Jamaican dude was courting her and all of this shit. Then he turned up being gay afterwards and all that shit. But that dude, apparently when he was courting her, the record

that they used to fuck through was Boombastic. So she... Exactly. So what was happening now, she says, the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, no matter what, Shaggy got to be on that record. So they hollered at me and I did this record. I hear the hook, ooh boy, I love you. So I said, who you want?

He said, Mariah or Janet. I said, anyone that didn't work for me at this point. I'm a little reggae nigga. He just flossed on us. It wasn't my choice. It wasn't my choice. I'm just saying.

It wasn't my choice. He said, both of them. I'm like, at that time, I'm excited. I'm a little reggae dude. I've never even met any of these people. It ended up being Janet. Right. Long story short, when Mary's record didn't work, Ragey just started playing that.

The record went to number one for me and Janet. So now I got a bidding war. My man, Craig Calman, was trying to sign me. Atlantic? Yeah. Okay. He was going in hard. Right.

And there was a bidding war also between MCA and Craig Kalman. The money kept going up. The money kept going up. Right? We had about a half a million, six or 600,000 or some shit like that. Craig Kalman at that time wasn't the head of it. He was like the president. A guy called Roger Aime was his boss.

Okay. So he had a cap of about a half a million. He couldn't go over. He went to Roger Ames and be like, yo, I listened to Shaggy's album. You gotta let me sign him. MCA's has got me up there. I'm maxed out. Roger Ames says,

true story, he says, that's reggae. You'll never make your money back. Show me a reggae record that has sold over a million records. You're not gonna make your money back. And he said no. So I went with MCA. Now in doing that, part of the deal I did was

I did escalation for MCA. I did an escalation on every million. So there's a half a point escalation on every million. And they went with it because they didn't want to give me any more upfront money. They capped out a half a million.

Maybe a million. He didn't say, okay, how are we going to beat Atlantic? We'll give you a half a point escalation. He said to a boy, he reggae. Ain't no reggae ever sold over a fucking million. Fuck that. Give him the half a million, the half a point escalation. Fuck that.

He'll only sell a million. Million and a half the most. Fuck that. Well, we sold 10 million. God damn it. Make some noise. God damn it. God damn it. God damn it Well we sold 10 million God damn it Make some noise Yo Gilly Where was you at

When you heard It wasn't me Where was you at Oh shit I was in Philly This here tour It all 99 It wasn't me

It wasn't me Your song You could use for everything. For anything. I told the kids they could use it for their mom. I said, my hand wasn't in the cookie jar. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Anything.

How do you think of making these? When you made these records, you thought it was going to be global, or you just was doing you? To be honest with you, some records you knew were special. There's also another story to that saying it wasn't me what if i told you that i believed in the record so much when i did it but the record company didn't want it and my current my ex my ex manager at the time didn't want the record either so we all i tried giving the record away so you know tanto and davante they said everyone falls in love, which Tory Lanez just did over there.

They had that record at that time. Tony Kelly produced that record. Wait, it wasn't me? No, they had Everyone Falls in Love. It was a big record. Wow. I called this dude called Brad DeCappin, who was the A&R at Sony at the time. I gave them that record.

I said, yo, This is a record I think It'd be a good follow up After Everyone falls in love The dude said I don't think it's a hit And he played another record called Yase Woi

Friar Jose Manasta Which is produced by Tony Kelly And I'm like I'm right on that too So you know But I'm saying

This is a record I actually voiced Tonto and Devante And'm saying this is a record. I actually voiced Tonto and Devante and gave the record to them. And A&R turned it down thinking it wasn't a hit. Then I gave it to a kid called Notch from the Bunch of Americans. Oh, I know Notch. Don't make it dawn right now.

He came back to the studio after he cut the record and says he got a vision from God that he ain't supposed to do these kind of records. Fuck me. I mean, like... God gave him the wrong vision. Speak him up, though. So I ended up... It ended up that this white dude came... We got a new A&R.

What? Because you know who was my A&R at that time, too? Who? Old boy from... What's old boy from American Idol? What? Black guy. Randy Jackson. Randy Jackson. Randy Jackson was my A&R. Wait a minute. This nigga Shaggy over here shooting match.

He was my A&R MC at the time. He was saying Randy Jackson. But Randy Jackson was making a lot of hits, so they brought this white boy in, German dude by the name of Hans Hedoff. He came to my house in Long Island at that time, which is close by you over there, Queens, because I'm right at the border. So he came over there, and he walked in with a bag of fucking weed. He came in, he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm the new A&R. I'm like, I don't smoke.

So he go back on the phone and call his boss and say. Who's being racist? He thought all Jamaicans smoke. Yeah, he probably all Jamaicans. Yeah, he was racist. Yeah, he was racist. He called me. He was like, he called his boss. He was being racist? He thought all Jamaicans smoke weed. Yeah, he probably all Jamaicans. Yeah, he was racist. He called me. He was like, he called his boss.

I hear him on the phone talking to his boss. He's like, what the fuck do I do with a bunch of Jamaican when they don't smoke weed? All right, all right. So I'm walking by

and I said, I said, we come downstairs and listen to some fucking music, motherfucker. Let's get this shit going. And you born in Jamaica? Born and raised in Kingston.

I came to the United States. But you was in the military, right? I was in the military. I hated the Marines. Did you do the Gulf War? I fought the first Gulf War. And then Carolina was during while you was? You remember that time we was doing Big Up, Big Up?

I used to say, Big Up, Big Up. All them joints. All them dancehall. Big Up, Big Up. Old Carolina. Was you still in the service at that time? Yeah. I used to drive from North Carolina to New York every weekend just to go do records and go right back.

You ain't never been to the Jamaican parties? Yeah. You gotta go to the Jamaican parties. In Jamaica, though, where they pull a truck up, you'd be like, yo, where the club at? And they'll pull the club. You're in the club. You're outside. You're in the club. Yeah, because there's always

war. Because if you have a nightclub, you're competing with the street dancers. So in a nightclub, you've got to have ACs on. You've got to have security. You've got to have street dance. Motherfuckers just come in there. You buy some white rum. Stone low string up.

You're good. You've been to Jamaica? Yeah. What part of Jamaica did you go to? I went to Kingston, Montego Bay, Ocho Rios. You went to Tivoli Gardens? Actually, I might have went to any gigs, actually. I was out there shooting a video.

I was scared to death, my nigga. I used to be over on the other side of Matches Lane. And how about Mountain View? Mountain View, they call it the Gaza Strip. Oh, look, look, look. There was a drive-down called the Gaza Strip. Because that street is a borderline between the both politicalrip. It was a drive-down from the Gaza Strip. You called it the Gaza Strip? Because that street is a borderline

between the both political parties. Oh. Which is foul to political parties. So you go down there, it depends. So when you've got

political turmoil, that road is a rough, rough road. But things kind of cooled down now, man. I mean, people have gotten civilized now, man. There's social media,

people, you know. You're trying to get niggas to move to Jamaica? People commute. It's not like he's, you running, you gonna run for something in Jamaica?

It's not like you running for something. Listen, man, any amount of taxes that you paying over there to Uncle Sam, and this crazy that's about to get, probably be your president tonight.

Oh, man. You know what I'm saying? Any one of these crazy, any one of these crazy, come to Jamaica. As long as you're not the one crazy. Hey, y'all gonna all be

knocking on my door if that motherfucker wins in about two minutes. We'll be there right now. I'll be in Jamaica and be like, hey. Man, that's goofy.

Yeah, I know that motherfucker. He could come. That one, I don't know you. This is so terrible that we even have this conversation because it's like scary.

It's scary, bro. It is. It is. It's scary, man. I sat here and watched it. I watched it. It's not looking good. It's not looking good. Oh, man. It's scary right bro. It is. It is. It's scary, man. I sat here and watched it. I watched it. It's not looking good? Oh, man. It's scary right now. But the one good thing, they passed

the weed law in Florida. That's what we heard. They said yes. So, it's cool? Yeah, I mean, no. It's not cool. I'm just saying that I mean, that's cool that we passed the weed law. But it's not cool if this guy wins

we don't need this job I've been watching it all day and it's been up and down I think they designed this for the ratings to keep your ass on the seat like it's a sporting event this is the world series for them right now

they get paid a lot and Gilly you ever been to Jamaica? Nah That's one place As soon as you land, it's going to be a lady She's going to run over your cart with her foot And she's not going to say sorry That's how you know you're in Jamaica

When was the last time you've been there? Probably a year and a half, two years ago The old ladies They just bump into you and they won't say sorry When was the last time you've been there? Like, probably a year and a half, two years ago. Okay. So you've been there. Oh, you've been there. I love it. Like, the old ladies, they just bump into you, and they won't say sorry. They be like, and then they look at you, yankaboy. You be like, well, God damn. They know you're not from there.

Like, really. Yankaboy. Yankaboy. Yankaboy. You be like, at first you take it personal. Then you start to realize, oh, shit. This is their style. You got to just go with it.

And the craziest shit, they got fucking Chinese Jamaicans. Those niggas is hell. You remember The Voice? You see The Voice, the Chinese girl that was on there, Tessancher? Oh, I didn't see that one. She's a mad, mad Chinese boy. She walked in our mouth, I just roared at her. I said, yo, we out.

We out. You and the store trying to talk. The my life for change you make it yeah I swear to God you're in the store when you see this thing even right when you see black and white Jamaicans because the model of Jamaica is out of many one people. So, Moodie, you're black, you're white. The roti Jamaicans, the Indian. But my grandmother is white. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, and, you know, my wife is Irish. And I'm saying in Jamaica, so it's all mixed up. So what's worse, Shaggy? Jamaica or Philly? The question is that. Philly. Depends on what part of... It does depend on what part, because I've had some great fun in Philly, too.

It all depends on where. There's no... There's a war zone in Philly, man. That's a fact. They said if you live in Southwest, and you're from the age of 14 to 25, you've got a 24% chance of being shot. God bless. God bless Philly. Feel what I'm saying?

God bless you all. Shit's goofy, man. We need to get it together in the black community. So what is worse, Philly or Chi-Town? You say Chi is worse at this point? See, with Philly, we always at the top in murders because we don't, when you look

at total... It might be underreported what's going on in don't, when you look at total crimes when you talk about total crimes like, you know, rapes and carjackings and we really not into that. Our youngins is in it. We gonna shoot you. Like, that's just what they into. You know what I mean?

I don't mean to say this in any bad way, but, you know, I'm just kind of happy that somebody else is taking that record. Jamaica had that spot for a long time. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm here in Chi-Town feeling like, shit, we ran that shit for years. Absolutely.

At least somebody take the spotlight over us. Absolutely. By the way, we got coconuts. Yeah. You know, and beaches. I'm trying to change a whole new league, man That's how we feel We feel like, man

You gotta switch it up Enough is enough Yeah, we gotta switch it up, man We gotta switch it up Yeah, we gotta, we gotta Cause you know what? You know, us as black people We blessed to have an audience

That we could speak to people You know what I mean? And, you know, I was a part of that dumb shit For so many years So many years And, you know, I mean and you know I was a part of that dumb shit for so many years and I you know I've been got over it but it was one thing that really messed me up

it was this documentary I watched called the 13 these niggas ain't pay me no money for this this is awful and when I seen that I was like if you black at this point you could hurt another black man like and I mean you know I mean when I say black I include the, you know, I mean, when I say black,

I include the Latinos, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And I just want us to get it together. I just want us to know that, you know, we better than, you know,

what the hell people think that we do. And like, that shit is whack. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like at this point, hurting each other, let's just get this shit together.

Think about it too, Nori. Age is a motherfucker. Because you just said that as you got older, you see things in a whole different light. Exactly. When you were a young mother, if I, you know, the shit that I used to do when I was

this young was, because I see these youngins now out there and I'm like, you know, I got kids of my own. I got two sons that are One of them's a rapper too. Yeah, you know what I mean? And they do dumb shit And they're sitting there trying to be like And I gotta put myself in that shoe

I gotta approach it from a sensitive point of view Shaq you gotta go and get a drink though I'm telling you man I'm drinking my shit I respect that Who the hell told me to get you this then No no no We coming out Back with this now.

So this is not available again until this year. We're going to relaunch. We came out with about, I would say about 200 cases or something like that that we came with. And we sold out. How much did you sell that bottle for? That looks good. About $60. Could you bring us like two or three so we can have them here all the time?

There's only one I got here. Because, because you know we were supposed to do this in new york something like that yeah that's right i forget and and and and we ended up doing so you know this is my man's teff bottle you know i took his you gotta try it you look like a oversized bottle of cologne good cologne i ain't gonna smell it you smell it you smell it I still wanna run around when you get drunk you gonna smell good the next day

it smell like cocoa butter that's what I'm talking about exactly that's it that shit is nice look at our engineer our engineer wanna drink too

that's a fact this is where the sound starts being crazy get your cuffs man I ain't I ain't it's the only bottle he brought

let's drink that whole motherfucker right now don't drink it all we I just want to try. It's the only bottle he brought. Let's drink that whole motherfucker right now. We'll drink it all. We'll drink it all. We'll drink it every day. We're twin that. Twins smell it.

Twins smell it. Oh, man. You see Shaggy over here? You see Gilly motherfucking Don, the king? You know what we got to do? We got to shout out Philly because Philly have been drink champ supporters from the beginning. Absolutely. This young cat that hit me up on the time on Twitter,

K. Walker. Yeah. Young rapper from Philly. I know K. Walker. Yo, homie is hungry. I learned about y'all from my, you might know Rug on the Batcave studio. Oh, Batcave.

I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He put me on a little while back. He said, yo, you don't be listening to that, Nori. This is the first time artists is running media. I'm sure this shows us a lot of love. And let me explain something to you, brothers. This is the first time artists is running media.

And DJs. Artists and DJs. I'm sorry. Rapper and DJ. But DJ fall on the artists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We there being Rock Kim and Park Kim. We there being Rock Kim and Park Kim.

So we big up our legends. Because in this game, every time a person gets old, they disrespect you. They say, it's over for you. That's not what we do here. The older you get, the more time you put in this game. We want to big up our legends. Absolutely. We want our legends to be legends.

That's what I want. That's what we want. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Sometimes I say, I mean. Absolutely. Don't worry. But we want to big up our legends and, you know, keep our culture alive.

And rock and roll, when you get old, you get better. Right. Hip hop, you get old. They say you washed up. They revere you in rock and roll. You got hip, bro? Right. They washed up.

That's what they say. We ain't doing that over here. You know what I'm saying, Gilly? You know what I'm saying, Shaggy? We are bigging it up. Come on, Gilly. Drink some more. I want you here to see, too, Gilly.

I ain't going to find that. Now, Norilly. Drink some more, nigga. I want you here to see, too, Gilly. I ain't gonna find out, man. Now, Norris, see the bottle? See how everybody's in? That's how you know you got a hit. That's how you know you got a hit. That's right. What is it? Cocoyac? Cocoyac. Hold on. I'm gonna use the rest as cologne. Hold on. Now, the craziest thing, what you all

don't know is the guy that I partnered with this on, those are the creators of Grey Goose. Oh, shit. Right. That's John Frank. He's starting us again, man. John Frank, him and Sidney Frank, and they created Grey Goose.

They also had Jägermeister. Wow. Tell them to call out me. I like Jägermeister. That's my thing. Well, they just sold us. They sold us. They sold Grey Goose.

You drink Jägermeister? You don't know that? Oh, yeah. that's dope. When I'm out with my white friends. Jager bombs? You never did bombs. I'm going to stop it. Stop it.

I'm going to give you some Jager. Give me bombs. I just don't say it out loud. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to give you some Jager. Yeah, really. Really, no black man really admits to that. Don't give me that.

Just take your white friends to the bar and order Jager. I bet you're going to be like, this is my high school days. Jaeger will hit you with some high school shit. I'm telling you, bring him back. The Jaeger brings him back. Bring him back. Every white friend you have to have. All you got to do is give him a shot of Jaeger.

You take the Jaeger bomb, you start talking like, just like Joe, I got you, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what I did in high school. This is what I did in high school. They always say that. This is what I did in high school. Dude, we're fucking in there, man. I'm telling you.

Fuck that girl. We got this. So what does Ghost Lager do to people? Ghost Lager is, you know, that was the first drink Capone and Noriega started drinking. What? Because Faith Newman. Horrible. Yeah, Faith Newman.

With the gold chips. Yeah, Ghost Lager. Faith Newman drinking. That actually don't even sound right. That was some bullshit. It tastes like a pepper. Go Schlager. Faith Newman. I actually don't even sound right. That was some bullshit. It tastes like a peppermint. Go Schlager is fucked up. It tastes like a peppermint.

Yeah. Let me tell you how they called us. Faith Newman. She was the A&R, Sony Records. And, you know, so she had signed nines. That's who signed nines. So she was trying to sign us after. And we went to the studio one night, and she had it.

So we drank the shit and we threw it with some fly shit. We don't think we ever going to make it. We did with the person that signed us. Us, that shit was so fly. We was like, oh shit. Niggas got money and realized, oh, that was regular.

For that time, it was crazy. For your pay grade at that time it was good Yes that's a fact I think Do you think Drake is getting all your pussy right now Excuse me Do you think that what

Do you think that Drake is getting all your pussy Cause he's kinda doing like your shit Yeah man Drake And I'm looking at you I'm like Drake beard look like your shit kind of man and i'm looking at you i'm like jake is jake big look like your shit too right now jake is jake is jake is living it right now and he actually sound good doing reggae do you know he does i like the no yeah i like the records shaggy probably got about a couple hundred thousand keep it real shaggy like yo you he's

smashing a lot of my bitches he can't i'm married oh yeah but but you know if you was but you know do you like controller man this nigga fucking keep it real like you know what man let's get to it Let's get to it I know it wasn't me That was

I'm telling you I got off a super thug I'm not nowhere near it wasn't me You out there They were throwing it at his head He walked out Just keep it real goddamn. They were throwing it in his ear. What? Pussy in his ear. He walked out. Just keep it real.

And he could lie about it after. What do you mean? That's that global pussy. All them pussies got, they got that passport pussy. With visas and all that. It's an international pussy. Your passport gotta be crazy. Yeah, you know what? I got a little Bible.

Because I can't get them little pages. I got a, you know, hey, man, I'm blessed because at the end of the day, these records still take me around the world. Bigger diggers up. My passport's kind of crazy too, though. Your passport crazy? It ain't got Kingston on there. Am I in T.O.B.?

We gonna change that. We gonna change that. We gonna change that. That ain't Jamaica. Nah, nah. Now, you know why? You can't even claim that. Let me tell you something.

If you never visited, this is how you know you visited Jamaica. You got to be scared at some point. Right. You're not scared. If you don't feel scared, you ain't visiting a real Jamaica. That's why you can't claim that. You stayed on the beach. You was a doctor.

I went to a strip club. It was like dust till dawn. They turned that bitch on for us. Wait, say that again? What? We went to a strip club in the middle of the day. They turned that motherfucker on for us. Yeah. Wait, say that again? What? We went to a strip club in the middle of the day. They turned that motherfucker on for us. And the chick came out going like this.

What, I was in the date? In the date. Where were we at? Where were we at? Listen, was it Ochi somewhere? We went to somewhere like a tourist spot, but we said, we don't want to be in the tourist spot. Wow.

We said, take us to the hood. Yeah, no. To a strip club. And they went. They knocked. The girl said, huh? They opened the door. And they turned that bitch up. It was like, dust still down. to a strip club and they went, they knocked the girl said, huh? They opened it up and they turned that bitch up and it was like dust

on the chick started dancing on the shit and the chick popped out the bar Was it hot at least though? Gilly, you got it. It was not that hot, right? You gotta go to Jamaica and have somebody go to Jamaica But it was hilarious though. It was amazing. It was amazing.

You gotta go to Jamaica and have somebody go All Jamaicans do that when they're mad. But it was hilarious, though. It was amazing. It was amazing. I'm bugging. You're kicking yourself. You got to go to Jamaica and have somebody go, all Jamaicans do that when they mad. Kiss them teeth. They go, kiss my teeth. You be like, I'm telling you, the old lady. As soon as I landed, it was three times I went back to back to back. And it was like the same old lady just ran over my foot.

I was just like, excuse me. And she was like, and I was like like, excuse me. And she was like, oh shit. Then you got to go to the hood. I'm going to tell you this funny story. We're going to keep it real, right? Keeping it real right now. I shot a video with

Lexus and Wayne Wonder. And they didn't close me. So what happens is we're in Jamaica. This is Pone's idea. Pone said, Pone go to Tivoli Gardens. He's like, yo, you got the best weed out there.

He never tells me it's the worst hood ever, right? I don't know this. But this is my nigga. This is his idea. Let me go for it. Yeah. We go out there. Yo, my nigga.

The guy do this. You know? Like, do this. Dut us.. Yo, my nigga. The guy do this. Yeah. You know? Like, do this. Do this. Do this, yeah. This nigga's huge. You can't go to the hood without him.

You got the highlight. Yes. You ain't going to film inside there either. Exactly. Unless you. You have to. You know, this is what it is. No, whatever you want to word this.

I had to do it. Met the nigga, cool nigga, great guy. Very unassuming guy. Short guy, little stocky, but very unassuming. You would not think that that guy is the guy. I got you. I met this nigga

in a cave. He had a golf course in a cave. Shit was the hardest shit. It's the Taliban. I ain't even trying to be cave. Shit was the hardest shit. It's the Taliban. I ain't even trying to be, listen, keeping it on you. You know, you know, you know. He was in a cave, man. Get out of here with that.

All right. All right. Listen, he was the mind dim. That's what they call it. The mind dim. The mind dim don't meet in public. Met him at some ale place Nigga playing golf Nigga air

Shit was air Never seen no shit like that But anyway So we You know We got the pass So we in We in the spot

And Rooster Bigger Rooster Yeah That was his like Guy who was controlling it there Yeah So we kept filming

And so Rooster comes to us and says, he goes, yo, you know, when you guys finish filming, you don't gotta go in the trailer. So I knew exactly what the nigga was trying to say. You niggas look a little soft. Yeah, look a little soft. But he didn't say that. But I'm reading, I'm a street nigga. I'm reading through the lines. You know, after y'all filmed, y'all don't got to go. I was like, oh, shit.

So I filmed the next scene, right? I stand there. For some reason, I'm dola. I don't know how my niggas stay in the trailer. These are some tough niggas I got with me, by the way. Real killers in the streets. But they were just sleeping. They sitting there smoking.

Niggas not paying attention. The guy goes, I got a little something. My nigga, this nigga hand me a bag of weed like damn near the size of this table. Like that. So now,

this is crazy shit. They just told me, yo, don't go back in the trailer. My homies is in the trailer. But I just remember what he said. So I stood there. I said, you gotta take it, Nori.

So many wild Jamaican niggas with swords on their faces. Niggas got this. You know, I like steak these niggas. These niggas just swords on their faces. These niggas got this. You know, I like stinking these niggas. These niggas just looking at me like, no, I'm a real nigga. But now, I got a bag of weed

the size of this. There's no way. So I'm trying to get niggas on the trail like, somebody come here. But I'm total. I know I'm on the trailer like somebody come here Like I'm total But I know I'm protected But still these niggas

Is looking at me like I'm steak I'm American They ain't never seen You know what I'm saying I stood there so now none of my niggas is catching on The cigars is in the trailer So I walk I walk

And you know it's always one guy It's always one guy in the trailer. So I walk. I walk. And you know, it's always one guy. It's always one guy. Always. And the one guy goes, and I give me a spliff. And there's no respect, by the way. Oh, there was no love with that.

Nigga just like, yo, give me a spliff. I thought to myself, that's the slime you've been to jail for. Would you dare open up this bag? You open up this bag, the whole hood is... I'm fooled at this point. Yeah, they're going to smell it.

So I got every bit of courage. Knowing I don't got no wins, just in case. They going to kill him. They going to kill him. But just for now, I just might not have a win right now. So I look at the nigga. I say, listen, relax.

Because I will give you a butt. I'm just not doing it right here. And the way you approaching me is just not going to happen. Not right now. The nigga follows me. I don't say shit. I'm like, yo, homie. Homie.

Chill. I go in the trailer. I want to flip on my nigga's first thing. What the fuck are you doing? Put the nigga down. chill. I go in the trailer. I want to flip on my niggas first thing. What the fuck are you doing? Put the nigga knocks on the door. So I'm like, I like nine now.

He's cool. I pulled out a little bag to hit this nigga. Yo, these Jamaican niggas came out. We tell you, no one touched the Yankee man. These niggas had the biggest knives. I don't know where these machetes came from, my nigga. It looked like they were chopping trees.

Somewhere. These niggas came. No one touched the Yankee Mountain. No one asked the Yankee Mountain. They made, they had so much shit to this nigga's shit. Yo, apologize to them. Yo, man, I mean, I was like, yo. These niggas were so serious.

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Yeah, that's because it was happening in Chicago. There was no more OGs in Chicago. There's an order. There's an order you got to follow. You have to follow the order. And that order went to come down. You know, most of these guys, as much as you hear about Aziz, Dodo, these guys, these guys did a lot of things for their communities. Yep.

And the community loved them. Like, yeah, kids that couldn't come out after 9 o'clock. Because of my man Spanky out there, too. On a weeknight, on a school night, they couldn't come out. You know what I'm saying? And if the kid didn't come out too late, they'd have a conversation with the parents. Right. It wasn't going to be no nice conversation either.

You know what I mean? They provided school books and, you know what I mean, you know, school books and bags, whatever they needed and helped. So when you got those dons in the neighborhood, things just run out. Once those guys were out of there, there was chaos.

So you have disorder, so to speak. You know what I'm saying saying and there's always that that that it's almost like that unspoken respect i did a concert in in the general penitentiary because i'm from raytown i was born in raytown right on the seaside so right there you got that prison so i went into the prison and played a concert i was the only person that ever did that for me and i brought sly and robbie originals so we went in there and played now concert. I was the only person that ever did that for me. And I brought Sly and Robbie originals. We went in there and played.

Now this is a prison that's got super overcrowded. Probably close to about 2,000 people in there. Convicts. You walk in there, they take everything away from you including your cell phone. The thing, I ain't seen no guard with a gun. So you probably got like

20 guards and 2,000 inmates And we on the concert playing So I'm playing Everything string up Boom You know First of all I started to think about it

I got a prison full of dudes And all my songs Are chick songs And I'm like I'm gonna sing Girl you're my angels Or It's a bad place

Yeah I'm saying But I gotta I gotta switch it up And I say Yeah be anyone'm going to sing, girl, you're my angel. It's all. It's a bad place. Yeah, I'm saying. I had to switch it up and I said, yeah, anyone on the mother, on the mother, careful. I'm going to buy Sunday. Girl, you're my angel. And they just rock with it. But the funniest, the craziest part about it was there was a line. They stood in, all the convicts, they were all, all the inmates were all out on the line.

And there was one guard with a baton and another guard at the other end with a baton. And they stood like this. And they actually wasn't even looking. They were just watching the show. There was not a rope. There was not a barrier. There was not a barricade. They all just stood in a line.

And when I dropped the tune, it's like an imaginary line. And if one dude foot go over, another dude look at him and he put the butt. That was it. So I looked at the guard afterwards. I was like, so how you control all these guys? And I mean, this is Kingston. You know what I'm saying? You got 2,000 inmates.

You look heavily outnumbered. And he said, they ain't really scared of us. They're scared of the next inmate. Because one dude step out of line, fuck it up for everybody. It's like the house manager. You know what I'm saying? So it's that mentality that they have in the mirror. They say, oh, listen, you know, there's an order that is run, right? Hey, Shaggy, come in here, gonna play a

concert. We don't see concerts. Once we done with the whole thing, I was all dire. See, I'm gonna say, yo, Shaggy, I knew I was set. Every year. Every year. Do something for me. I need to describe that $10 million

pussy when you sold 10 million units. Because I sold a million, right? Like that. That was it. I know what I was getting thrown at. How was it at the height? At the height of it? Unbelievable, huh?

It's a shaggy ass. It's a shaggy ass, right? Let's keep it real. You're Jamaican. You cross boundaries. He said it wasn't his business. Listen, man. Listen, man.

Anybody with that amount of success. I don't take them to get the brown boots. I stop at the pink sandals. Pink sandals. Anybody with that amount of success shouldn't have a pussy problem. But how is it, though? I like what I'm saying. Honestly, though.

Of course it has to be great, bro. That's right. For our listeners. You know what I'm saying? Honestly though Of course it has to be great bro For our listeners You know what I'm saying? For you listeners For me too It's a personal question for you The thing is that I was never used I was never new to these months

Because if you're ever from Old Carolina That was another global hit So I've been getting Global snatch all my life You know what I'm saying? And he called it snatch Global snatch

That's like you know He's taking shit down You know what I'm saying? And he called it snatch. Global snatch. That's like you know he's taking shit down. Taking shit down. You know what I mean? Like a goddamn. You got to be used to that from day one, from in school. Even though I was in the middle. As a matter of fact, I was in the war.

All right. I was probably one of the only few people in the middle of the desert that got. Got some ass. Desert ass. He got desert yams. He got some desert ass. He got some got some ass. Desert ass. He got desert yams. He got some desert ass. He got some desert yams. Desert snatch.

According to him. Oh, shit. Damn. Now he's out there meeting Waller. He getting yams. There's a couple of jobs you got. Damn. In the military.

I was a cannoneer, which is known as The tank? No, it was almost a cannon. It's artillery. I fire 155 howitzers and the shit lands indirect fire on some fucking grits gear

and blow some motherfuckers up. So you were body shagging? I fired shit. That's hard, Shaggy. Go ahead. So while we was there... Shit. He's stupid. How you body niggas oh now that's hard so while we was there how you body niggas

yeah you was in the war yeah first go for it it's on record you want from first to your niggas to sing into the chips the singing to the church. This shot, this Howard Sir got them and said, you shot Howard Sir. He out there, but it's certain jobs. And he hit him from eight miles away. Yeah, it's over. It's over.

But there's certain jobs in there that you get. I used to be, I'm a skater, what they call in the military a skater. What that mean? Simple means I ain't going around saying, hoorah, hoorah. You know what I'm saying? If I could park my Jeep and put my foot up and chill, I'm going to do it.

You ain't going to see me running around trying to be SCO. And that's the military in Jamaica? I'm going to get this now. U.S. Marine. U.S. Marine. Semper Fi. You know what I'm saying? Do or die. First to go. During the first Bush era. First Bush. First to go. That type of shit. First Bush era. Yes.

First Bush. There you go. Daddy Bush. Ain't it that? That's why the young Bush tried to finish the job. Right. While I was there,

I was up in another Bush. It's all good. You know what I'm saying? The point I was trying to make, I used to drive and go for the child truck. I'm the guy. Now, you see,

you got a navigation system in your car right now We used to drive them Humvees, them big old Them flat ones But they had these big ass navigations The big white thing And that was how we used to drive To find a way to the main base To pick up the child

Now when you're picking up child and stuff like that Child is actually the breakfast and the food You go down there, they give you five, you know, five loaf of bread. I put one under my seat. You get six peanut butters. I put one under my seat. So, you know, I'm the man. You know, everybody wants something.

Yalla. You know, I pick up the mail. My brother's glad to see me because I got the mail. You know, my brother's glad to see me because, you know, I come in, I got cigarettes. It is what it is. You know, so me and everybody on to see me because, you know, I've come in. I got cigarettes. It is what it is. You know, so me and everybody on the platoon is on the battery is friend. Now, how does Janet Jackson smell? I never met her.

Remember, I told you. I thought you. I thought you did. We did the record together. She was never in my video. Oh, no, no, no, no. She didn't go to the video. I took it to number one, though.

No, she didn't. She won't do nothing with the record, but I took it all the way. So it's all good. I'm not mad. I just need proof. But I went back. When I went down to the main base, they had women Marines. And they would.

Jose. Because they're the ones giving you the food and giving you the mail and all that. The admin girls. I mean. I'm listening, Shaggy. So you got to make yourself, you know. You made yourself available. She think Janice.

But you met Mariah Carey before You know what I did I didn't meet Mariah but you met her too So stop fucking around That's the homie That's the homie Mariah you miss a relationship I forgot

I don't have no famous relationship No I'm blowing you up right now Nah don't What famous bitch you knock down? What famous bitches you knock down? I've knocked down a lot of famous bitches, but none of them that, you know,

I ain't out there like that. I like that. I respect how you put it. But that was pre-social media. Like right now, y'all don't fuck with that shit. That's what I was saying to Gilly earlier. But it's a good time to say, are you walking straight right now?

Because I know you walk straight right now. You're a good dude right now. I'm a great guy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, father, husband, all that shit. Yeah, you can't work in this time and environment these days. Yeah, nah, nah. You got to put all that down. This is for them youngins.

They see now, they want to put everything out there. Me and you We got problems like that Yeah yeah yeah I'm happy too I'm keeping it real But that's why I know at one point

You was a wild nigga I've been that my whole life I think you sold 10 million Let's make some noise for that God damn it And you know what It rang And it rang

But you know what's iller Is that You know you sold 10 million It was a global And it danced. But you know what's iller? Is that, you know, you sold 10 million. It was a global, though. It was a global thing. Thank you, sir. You made global music. You made music that transcended. Like, when I made Superdog or Homeboy, like, even Oyamikando, these records that Z100 played.

Yeah. It was always bugged out to me. Yeah. Like, being in this other atmosphere. Because that's a whole new audience you see. A whole different audience. They look at you like, oh, he's one of our Caucasians. We like him.

That's why I discovered Jägermeister. I was like, yeah, I'm in. How many Reagan artists sold as much as you sold? The only other person that sold diamond is Bob Marley. Wow. So not even Shabba. No.

Shabba sold gold. Damn. Wow. Shabba sold gold. But I'm the only one that has a Diamond album. I'm the first. You're going to tell me Murder, She Wrote didn't even make it that way? No.

That's one of the biggest. I think it was a number one. But I had a first. Dan sold number one with Old Carolina and the British Chart. Great record. I had the first dancehall record to actually debut at number one in the British Chart was Mr. Boombastic.

We did it three times, Mr. Boombastic, Angel and It Wasn't Me. So you always broke it over there? Yeah. No, no. But I'm saying when you come, you know the British Chart. When you come out of the charts You got climbing charts I debut in that number one Right

And then I'm the only dancehall artist With a number one album Right Which is Hot Shot And you know They took us off

The number one spot I remember J-Lo came in Took us off And we took her back off And it was just One of them situations And we've been consistent

And look at this This is 2016 I'm 48 years old And I was You know I had a top 20 hit last year with I Need Your Love. We back up on the charts again. We're at the top 40 right now.

So blessed to still be doing that. What about J-Lo? You met J-Lo? I met her. She's one of my favorites. How does she smell? She's actually great. Great.

Great? She smells like his cocoa with yo-yo. Yeah. Great. You know what his cocoa. Yeah, yeah. Great. You know what I got to give it up to J-Lo about? You see all these young chicks now that's coming up? All them young chicks. And J-Lo is like an OG.

And you see her on that red carpet, she make them bitches look like they ain't trying. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. All these chicks look like they're not trying. Yeah, I met J-Lo. And when I met her, I was scared.

I was scared. I folded. I'm Puerto Rican. It's different for me. That's like our queen. You know what I mean? Puerto Rican. And then when I seen that she was with Mark Anthony, I was like, I walked in. I just froze. I was like, oh, shit.

You ever walk in and see, oh, my God. Hold up. Whoa, I went to the bar. I was just like, damn, I don't know. Like, I don't, I feel like I'm, like, this is groupie. Like, I feel like it, but I really want to be a groupie. I want to go over there and talk Anthony. If you are a groupie, for her, it's good, though.

It's cool. Some groupie things ain't cool, but that's cool. This is why it was awkward. Hold on, let but that's cool. This is why it was awkward. Hold on. Let me just do this. This is why it was awkward. Because I went to the bar. I tried to get smooth.

I said, get your life together, Noy. You know? I'm starstruck. These are both. I'm Puerto Rican. You know what I'm saying? These are two icons to me. So I got there, and I started drinking.

And then I looked, and it looked like they were arguing. I said, ah, it's over. I'm not walking over there now. and it looked like they were arguing. I said, ah, it's over. I'm not walking over there now. Then they look like they're arguing. I don't see no security. It's just J-Lo and Ma. I left. I left.

I met J-Lo years back at Puff's studio. She's super nice, too. Yeah, one time. Can I ask you how she smelled, too. I didn't smell her, but she looked... You can't be in a room with J-Lo and not smell her, nigga. Hey, listen. That's supposed to be on purpose.

That's the first thing you're supposed to do. Well, this was back... I'm talking about way back, bro. When? This was like 99. She was dating Puff? Yes. She's already J-Lo, nigga. That's right. She's J-Lo. What are you talking about, myLo? This was like 99. She was dating Puff? Yes. She's already J-Lo.

She's super J-Lo. She's already J-Lo. What are you talking about, my nigga? Well, I don't know. She was down there. I didn't know her then. She's a person. She don't have a down period.

Listen, I didn't know her then. I just know, you know, me, Tony Draper walk in, Tino, Lava, and, you know, she's sitting there, and we just looking like, God damn it. You know? Right. You know? Then it turns into something else. You know? Right. You know? Then it turns into something else. You know?

Puff ended up betting $25,000 on my son. My son. Drake bet $25,000 on me. Took him some business. He was doing some rich nigga shit. He was doing rich nigga shit. Oh, yeah. He's totally on that, right?

He was doing some rich nigga shit. He turned this whole battle session. He's been doing rich nigga shit for a long It's a whole battle session. We've been doing rich nigga shit for a long time. J-Mo was looking good, man. I've been watching you, you've been doing

some rich nigga shit for a long time. No, he's doing rich nigga shit. No, no. He's doing rich nigga shit. Wealthy nigga shit.

That's beyond rich. When you sell 10 million units, like the thing about music is, the best thing about music is when it transcends. When it goes from like. Cheers, sir.

And I'm telling you this with the War Report. The War Report only sold for $500,000. So I don't got no type of success when it compares to him. But the War Report was only made for Queens. We didn't know any world existed. If you listen to the War Report album, it's so great. But it's so also like you can tell we never got

on a plane. Yeah. Just tell anything. I'm saying, all right, 9-7. You know what I mean? Shoot you in your face. You know what I'm saying? Section 2. Like, I...

It's real. Because my creativity, it couldn't go because of all I knew. And I didn't make it for the world. I made it for just that. To this day, I swear to God, we'll go and we'll perform the War Report

and we'll perform songs and there'll be people in the front in Europe and there'll be people just saying, War Report. Be looking at them like, yo, hold up. Relax. One, relax. Two, I'm getting there.

Yeah, just be standing there. War report. Listen. Relax. And then you get to do the war report. That's what they there for. But you didn't do it for that. And when it transitions. your music, it was, you know,

worldwide from the beginning. That's just beautiful. Like me and Gilly, you know, we make the hood music. We do that. We started like that, though, because you remember, like, Big Up, Mom Pig. See, all those records were, like, little records. Because I live in Flatbush. You know what I'm saying So

All of that You know Starlight Ballroom Biltmore Ballroom Dynasty That whole That was our whole stomping ground That we used to go

From back in the day Me, Supercat Red Fox Baja Dread You know what I'm saying All those dance artists NYC Badman I remember that one

Yeah we had a thing called The Rough Entry Crew And we just I dread. You know what I'm saying? All those dance artists. It was the NYC Bad Men. I remember that one. Yeah, we had a thing called the Rough Entry Crew. And we just hit underground at the time with David Levy and Sting and all them. You know, Bobby Connors, all them people. Big up Bobby Connors. Yeah, big up Bobby. You know what I mean? Those are just real dudes that I used to just roll with back in the days. You know what I mean? You talk when Louis Ron with back in the days. You know what I mean?

You talk when Louis Ron can come with typewriter. You know what I'm saying? All them days, my daddy, the whole vibe from coming up. You know what I mean? That time, we used to roll with Heavy D. So I want to question for both of y'all. Yeah. What's your favorite year in music?

Favorite year? Yeah. You mean like an era? An era or a year. Whatever you want. An era? I would have to say, honestly, the whole Biggie Tupac era. I would agree, too.

I would agree, too. That was my favorite. Prior to the beef, though. I mean, nah, man. I'm just... Even just the whole... That's... I like it right prior to the beef. I'd say prior to the beef, man. I'm just a little... It's the beef kind of stuff. Even just the whole... That's... Yeah. I'll say pride to the beef.

I like it right prior to that. I'd say pride to the beef, too. Well, I'm with Big Pop Beef. A little after that. I know what L.A. L.A. Right. So we're kind of in. Well, you're a part of the beef, Frank.

I'm in there. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, he's part of the beef. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny how he just forgot. When we did L.A., L.A., we never even been to L.A. Never seen. I mean, it was just looked upon like, oh, they some real motherfuckers.

They standing up for they city. That's how it was looked at. I know from Philly, I was they some real motherfuckers. They standing up for they city. That's how I was looked at. I know from Philly, I was a young nigga like Geek. That was it. It was great. It was ironic that I went down, but LA is one of

my favorite places to go. LA is our number two market and drink champs. I was a kid. Did what my heart felt. They forgave me. I forgave them. Right. We lived on.

But, you know, shit really, you know, that music was real. Right. So do you think this era of music, like, you think it's going to stand the test of time? Never. The music that you're hearing now. No disrespect, but I just think, I mean, some artists are. But the music as a whole Like When you compare that

There's a sound for an era Exactly, good point Even though it's a sound If you got that sound, but you got Timeless music Then it can stretch, but if it's not Timeless You know what I mean?

Like Those rappers made timeless music then it can stretch, but it's not timeless. You know what I mean? Those rappers made timeless music. Dear Mama, you know what I mean? Those are timeless records. I always think that the flavor or the secret, I would say, to making timeless music is actually doing it with timeless instruments. Because it's like, for instance, you might hear a certain sound on a record. You could just know, oh, that was in the 80s. You could know the error from the sound of the keyboard sound, whether it be the snare sound.

Like that mustard clap, you just don't know that, oh, yeah, that's that era. You know what I'm saying? Pick up my nigga DJ Mustard. Yeah, yeah. Like that mustard clap You just don't know that Oh yeah that's that era You know what I'm saying You know When you got like Pick up my nigga DJ Mustard Yeah yeah You know when you get When you get like What's so

What's that That whole Tropical house sound Once you hear that That keyboard sound You know what era it is You know what I mean There's certain type of music

When you hear that That music Okay I remember that All them 80s sound I think if you When you're making classics You know what era it is. You know what I mean? There's certain type of music where you hear that music, okay, I remember that, all them 80s sound. I think when you're making classics, you got to make it with certain instruments that never change. Your classic keyboard, your classic piano sound never change. Your classic rock guitar never change.

Your classic acoustic guitar never play. You know what I mean? Your bass, yeah. You know what I mean? So if you put those elements in it and throw that around it, you know a classic record when you hear it. You know what I mean? if you keep it you put those elements in it and throw that around it you know a classic record when you hear it you know you got it

you was asking me did I know that wasn't me that Angel was gonna be big I knew those records were special like when I did Mr. Boombastic

the minute we did it I was like okay this is some different shit I just knew this shit was you know you knew it my problem is always convincing another motherfucker

like record niggas and they're just you know motherfucker be like yo well you know it doesn't sound shaggy enough I'm like I niggas, and they're just, you know, motherfucker will be like, yo, well, you know, it doesn't sound shaggy enough. I'm like, I'm shaggy. I don't know what the fuck I sound like. You sound like shaggy regardless. Yeah, I don't fucking mean I, you know, don't sound shaggy enough.

Well, you know, I don't think that's a shaggy record. Right. You know, because they sit there and they overanalyze the shit, you know what I mean? And it's the cookie-cutting shit. It's like, well, you know, he did old Carolina. We'd like to do another old Carolina again. I'm like, yeah, but musically I ain't there. I'm-cutting shit. He was like, well, you know, he did Old Carolina. Would you like to do another Old Carolina again? I'm like, yeah, but musically I ain't there.

I'm on some other shit. Well, you know, I think you should do Old Carolina. So I refused to do it. And then Chacademos and Plies did, you know, Twister and Shout and Tease Me, which was kind of the same as Old Carolina. Then Apache Indian did Boom Chocolat. Which is normally in the radio world. Because it was so huge, they started doing that

And they told me, well, you know He said, Wanderer is never going to go out So I came back with Bombastic, which was totally fucking different But it's you standing up To that, and that's what being a young Like now, you're older now You're going to sit down and analyze And shit, it was like, well, you know, I really don't want to piss the record company off

But when you're a young buck and you don't give a fuck I just said, I had money and I bought a car and I was getting pussy. I came in. I could give a shit. I'm saying fuck the record company. I'm going to be honest. That's what I'm saying because you're young. When you're young, that was my whole thing at that point. They call me difficult. I was like, yo, fuck you.

I got a beam up. I'm always difficult if you don't want to win. I'm difficult if I want to win and you will disagree with that win. I'm always difficult if you don't want to win. I'm difficult if I want to win and you will disagree with that win. I'm always difficult. I accept that. But my thing is patterns. If you see a pattern go down, if you got a chick that

fucked on you all the time, fucked on every man she been with, and then she come and say, I know I fucked on all my five guys, but you are special. Chances are she gonna fuck on you too That's a pattern You know what I mean

They got dudes in my record company That every record they touch fail And they still wanna call shots I was about to go into your story You know what I'm saying Get out of here Did you do a Shaggy video No man

Who that I'm gonna take a piss break While you tell the story Really Over the story man And you tell the story wrong on top of that. Fans love the way it's a story. It's a wrong story.

It changes every time. This guy is a grapevine by himself. They love it, man. If this is drunk history, the story just changed every time. You acted out differently. It's fucking awesome. You're going to tell a story. We're going to take a piss.

Fucking awesome. Hold on. I'm going to tell a story. So, you got something? You got something you want to get we're going to take a piss. Hold on, I'm going to tell a story. You got something? You got something you want to get out? Yeah, take a piss. No, no, no. God damn it. Hold on. Come on. We got about five, ten more minutes. We're ready. Everybody good?

Unless you want to keep going, we can keep going. Ten minutes is good. I'm already at my other appointment. Does Gilly the Kid still, do you love rap still? I still love rap. You can tell, man. Yeah, you can tell, man.

I just, you know, I just understand that it's, now rap is about a wave. You know what I mean? It's the wave. It's the, you know what I'm saying? More than,

more than, you know, the talent. the way, but it's kind of coming back around to rap. Now we're like Davies. You don't have to ride the wave. Right. But you know,

that's what they do. You know what I mean? That's what artists who not, a lot of artists don't know who they are. They trying to figure out who they are. A lot of young artists. So it seems that hip hop is getting old enough now that it can fall in its own categories. It's going to be the youth hip-hop

and it's going to be the other eras of hip-hop. Absolutely. You really can't be an artist this day unless you're a celebrity. See, back in the days, you could have been an artist without being a celebrity. You know what I'm saying? Now you got to be a celebrity. You know what I'm saying?

You would hear about Shaggy one time When you got a hot record I was in your red carpet dude That's why you ain't got no tabloid information That you trying to dig up on me I'm still trying to figure out who you knocked down Because I know it too I know you knocked down I was like I heard

Shaggy knocked down The thing is, he was knocking Hollywood pussy down before marriage. It's okay. It's okay. I get all of that. You don't give us one. Give us one, Shaggy. Just tell us one. But the point is, tell us one, Shaggy. Right? The point is, I'm saying to you,

Nor, it wasn't me. It's my story and I'm sticking to it. You're sticking to it. it but everybody gotta be a celebrity now and it's almost as if you gotta you gotta air your laundry out all right um to get your music played because it's about it's a numbers game it's about followers right yeah it's about whether or not there's people who never had a hit but they got mad fans that sing every line To a record that they do

Because they got numbers You think people are making disposable music nowadays? I don't think It's probably disposable to you and me I mean not everybody People have always made disposable music Always But now it's just more of it

Right Because there's so many artists The record labels is looking for But now it's just more of it Because now it's like The record labels is looking for Oh this is a hot record This is all we care about We don't care what you got lined up next Before it was like hold on But what we gonna follow this up with

You know what I mean And then what we gonna follow that up with But now it's like We can sell this You don't sell after that. I don't like that. You think I was just a cocoa butter.

I'm taking a beer piss. Drink a beer. You really drink your own shit. It smell like cocoa butter. Black people love cocoa butter. Come on, man. I'm black. This shit related to me immediately. And I don't drink cognac.

You drink this, though. I drink that. I wasn't even a cognac drinker, but I fuck with this. I fuck with that. You know what I'm saying? These boys know what they're doing, man. I fuck with the cocoa butter. That's what I'm saying.

You got to massage your chicken now. Smell it, bro. You get a drunken massager at the same time. I ain't going to lie. Shit. This, I definitely still want to wave my hand. Like, this is the thing. So how'd you get involved with this?

Well, I mean, the guys that do Grey Goose, a fellow by the name of John Frank and his wife, Andrea, they were like really big Shaggy fans. I actually played a birthday party for them. And we just became friends. And, you know, I just played. I didn't really know who the guy was, and, you know, we just kind of kicked it off and then realized that, you know, I think Grey Goose was sold for like $3 billion or something like that, you know. Wow.

So at the end of the day. Grey Goose and them niggas. Yeah. So at that point, he started to, you know, during our friendship, started to tell me about the liquor business. Let me understand it a lot more and realize the opportunities that was there. You know what I'm saying? Of course. Puff did a wonderful job.

Yeah, he did. He did a wonderful job with FN. Wonderful. We support him over here. But it's a big business. You know, it's a business with a lot of restrictions. So it was already created. Well, no, he was just telling me about it.

And then he came up with the idea of doing it. And what he said to me was, like, we're going to be first to market because there's not a cognac. There's flavored vodka, but there's not a flavored cognac. Because, like, I saw, you know, I seen Ciroc before. Right. Before Puff got involved. his drink Ciroc. Right. In France back in the days.

Yeah. And Puff came, seen it. Right. So it's coming. As genius he is. And he just brought it to America. And coming up with flavor, like a flavored cognac and a coconut flavored cognac. And when, you know, he brought it.

But that's actually good. Yeah. I ain't saying this because you here. Yeah. That was good. It was good. And it was smooth. It was smooth. It does's actually good. I ain't saying this because you here. That was good. It does go down smooth. And it fucks you up. I'm fucked up. It's a fact. I'm in. But the thing about it too,

what was genius about him, he says one of the biggest selling industries, the perfume industry. Perfume. Yeah, like a cologne. The cologne industry. And when you think about the cologne industry. The kid about to go get a cologne. Look at him. I'm telling you cologne. The cologne industry. And when you think about the cologne industry. You're like the kid about to go get a cologne. Look at him. I'm telling you, but with the cologne industry, the thing about the cologne industry

Keep talking that shit, Shaggy. The actual cologne itself is not what's expensive. It's the fucking bottle. And what sells it is the bottle. No matter how dope the bottle is, that's what the fuck you buy. You know what I'm saying? Grey Goose sold because of that fucking bottle with them fucking Gooses in the back and shit,

and the shit look good. That's a fact. And from the bottle is like that. You look at that shit, even now I'm done with this shit, you probably going to take the bottle home and be like, okay, I'm going to put this on my stack. That shit looks sexy. You're going to see more bottles, nigga.

I'm going to have a war. I got you. That's not a lie. You're like, why this nigga is talking about his bottle? I need more bottles. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. So, you know, you got to get into everything now, man. That's a different era now. Back in the days, we just sold records and made the money and drive our business. Yeah, now you got to do too much now. Now you got to be a brand. You got to be a brand. You know, this is why you're doing this.

Yeah. Again, if you're happy doing it. If you got to be happy at life, you got to be happy. So, why do they tell me that's what you drink? I don't know why. Because I can't get that. This is what I drink when I don't have that. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm not going to have this here and go drink that. See, I'm a gin and tonic dude. Gin and tonic. Gin and tonic is here. What is that, by the way? It's Hendricks gin. But whosoever told you this, I don't see the tonic water. Yeah.

Oh. They ain't tell us no tonic. Right? There's no cucumbers. There's no cucumbers in this? You need cucumbers see the tonic water. Yeah. Oh. They ain't tell us no tonic. Right? There's no cucumbers. You need cucumbers for it. What are you trying to blame me for? What are you trying to blame me for? No, because I'm saying like. I ain't going to drink the Hendry by itself.

Oh, yeah. But today I have to drink beer. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, today you drink beer. But he's usually a club soda guy. But I totally forgot. Remember, where Papa at? Papa at.

Papa said, I think I should get. What do the people drink? Tending juice. But I wouldn't have got the tonic. Yeah, the tonic, yeah. I would have drank that. But that was great that you got your own liquor. We support that.

You know what I mean? Smell like cocoa butter. I like it. You can say that too, yo. Nah, it's good, man. We definitely hook you up with that. Trust me. You know what I'm saying?

That's it, man. You my guy, man. These Evans been here since when 50 was here last time? Yeah, yeah. Still, huh? He just loaded you all up. Yeah, yeah. Man, he making me look bad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to be telling these. You're telling these, man. You're making me look bad. They all load us up. They all load us up. If we had done it in New York, I got you. Yeah, let's big up Ciroc.

Let's big up Effort. I'm trying to get to where they're at. Let's big up Dusko, Poppin' Tin, Dame Dash bottles, the big bottles over there. We didn't forget you. Oh, this is Dame shit? Is Dame shit right here? Yeah, it's Dame shit, y'all. Ah, shit.

Well, you can't miss this motherfucker. I want to have it. It's just Rapper. You can't miss this shit Just rap a little bit That's why I wanna have The whole table Just rap a little bit

It's just unfortunately You know Unless It's things Unless you know Unless there's a couple Double zeros on the internet I would like to just support

When I say rap I mean Industry Like you know Just our people Just you know Just music people That's what I want

You know what I mean? There's no Columbia White here. Yeah. Tiger Bomb. You don't want a shot of Tiger Bomb. It's Jamaican, man. It's Jamaican, man. I feel like

20 years ago, I've seen it. You know the Tiger Bomb that they used to rub you up with when you get sick? Yeah, yeah. But this is tiger bone. This is real yacht mountain. This is sold in all the Jamaican shops out here. That shit look like soy sauce.

That's exactly what it is, my brother. All right, all right, twin, twin. No, it's a male enhancement. I want none that make your dick die. No, it's very dick. I'm just letting you know. I'm Jamaican. Yeah.

There's nothing you can sell to a Jamaican that's going to make his dick hide and he's going to buy it. Yeah, come on, man. If this shit is going to die, they ain't going to fuck with it. We got to take it. We got to pour a little shot. Man, we drinking soy sauce? Yeah. That's what it is.

Ancient Chinese secret. That's what it is. We call that the mother of all your niggas. That's what real niggas do. They were drinking soy sauce. Real niggas do. They were drinking soy sauce. Real niggas do. Drink a little shot of soy sauce. Get your life right.

We got some pork fried rice to go with that. The chicken will help everybody in the long run. I really didn't want it. Hold up. I don't want to mix up the taste. Oh, you got me a new cup? Cool. This is not the business of my beer right here.

Come on. All right, what do we do? What do we do? We sip it or shop it? No, we sip it. You can, what do we do? Billy, listen. What do we do? We sip it or shop? No, we sip it. You can't sip that. Wait, wait, wait. No, you shouldn't even smell it.

What's wrong with you? Hold on, hold on. Why don't you smell it, man? Hold on, man. This shit's stronger than Oral Suicide in 87, man. What are you doing? What the fuck is going on, man? When you drink it, you say it wasn't me.

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I told you you were going to die for 30 seconds. Yo, that shit tastes like medicine, bro. Bad one, too. It is medicine. Let's put that away. They used to make it with real tiger bones. What the fuck is that shit? So imagine, they had to replace real tiger bones. Oh, God.

That shit is not the best. That's what the real yard mind drew. Yeah, yeah. Jamaicans is the ones that brought this over here. I've never seen that in Jamaica. Yeah, I live there. Don't put that on the Jamaican. Where do you buy this at?

At Jamaican spots? Yeah, Jamaican spots. I've never seen that in Jamaica. I've been to a lot of pubs. Read it. Just read with it. Exactly. That's what we just drank.

Now you're a macabre bing bong. Macabre bing bong. When you drink it, it's a lot of mercy. That's the real shit drank. Now you're a macabre ping pong. Macabre ping pong. When you're drinking, say, that's the real shit. That shit burn your chest going down. Pause, pause. I usually give it to guests to bring it out of them.

But y'all niggas is already an open book, so it's kind of foul, so I gotta tell y'all. But this is it. Gil, you're looking at me like, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. It changed your life. I like to change people's lives. It changed your life in the wrong way.

How does that change your fucking life right now? I don't know. It's going to change your life. You're going to look at life. What are you saying? That's in the future. It's an herb. Look, look, look.

I believe you. It's herbal now. It used to be made out of real tiger bones. Back in the days. I did the research. It's not only herbal. You can't smoke that bitch. My buddy who was killing tigers.

It's Matt Fowler. What was that, bro? Why is it called Tiger Bones? I just told you. It was killing little fucking tigers for real. Originally, it was like a Viagra. Now, it can still be a Viagra, but you're not going to walk around with your dick hard.

But if you happen to play the game tonight, you're going to knock it out the park. Out the park. But see, you ain't. That's why I fucks with this. You can hit it and you can live a normal life as well. When you hit some Viagra shit, you know, I'm 39.

I'm one year next to 40. I don't know. I ain't never had to use a Viagra because I'm a Tiger Bone guy. And yo, you listen. Did I tell a story before? Which one? While I started drinking Tiger Bone?

No, because I don't even know why the fuck. It just popped up all the time. So you actually drinking though? I thought it was just here because... I feel like I... He drinks it. One day I went to the juice bar.

He drinks that shit for years. I went to the juice bar. We've been drinking for years. This old man came and he hugged the guy. And the way he hugged him, like tears came out of his eyes. But it wasn't no like, no pussy shit. Like this man grabbed me and hugged me. And I stood

there. I seen a grown man, 60-year-old nigga hug a nigga and say, yo, you saved my life. So I stood there. I waited my turn. And I asked the old nigga, I said, yo, what was that about?

He said, I couldn't fuck my wife for two years. I couldn't get up. Nothing worked. I told my wife to fuck other men. She didn't do it. So I kept, you know, I did all the white man drugs. He said he walked in. And the nigga said he gave him some pills, some wheatgrass, and Tiger Bone.

And that man fucked the shit out of his wife. Hold on, man. This nigga hung this nigga. Hold on, boy, man. You got me drinking Tiger Bone because the nigga's dick was bruised. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, But he broke it back to life. You got me drinking this hot, nasty shit because the old head in the store dick was broke. Yeah, no, it's bad. Yeah, it's bad. That shit, you down bad for that, dog.

I'm fucking with you, dog. Listen, this is a miracle to certain people. And that shit's strong. It's medicine to people. Like, listen, this is a Chinese herb. This ain't no... This ain't no this ain't no this is some island

I could do without that, man. God bless you on that one. How you do from drinking this smooth man's cocoa butter? They fucked it up. Cocoa butter is definitely saying what's going on right now. I'm shocked. From this to that, it's armadillo

piss. To some tiger piss. But we'll all do respect. I'm going to keep it 100 with y'all. Puff sat here and made a drink. Oh, I didn't even join. Remember? Yeah, yeah, of everything.

He poured everything into the cup. I'm going to tell you what happened with Puff. Puff got here. I don't even know if that's really going to get out, though. That true story. It's true. It's okay. He gave different versions of it. The fans like it. No, no, no. This is real.

This is the real version of this. Puff gets here. He says, he says, you know, we ask funny questions. We ask you if you ask. We ask everybody that, right? We ask you if you ask. We ask you if you ask. You said no already. I remember that.

Respect. Shaggy, yes. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. You're not going too far. shit No, you can't say too far

No, it's a fact No, sir No, sir No, sir Get back to your post Don't lose your train of thought You're going too far I don't know what the fuck you were going to say

Puff came in. He comes in. I forget what he was going to say. He was going to say something. Oh, we went at it. Me and Puff went at it. We were like, Puff, just go.

Is this what I just bought? And we said, relax, playboy. Your check ain't clear yet. Oh, yeah, because he said he bought it. Yeah, he bought it. Relax. Yeah. Then we said, how does J-Lo smell?

It was out of order. It was out of order. It was out of order. What'd he say? Mind you, his lady's here you don't have to whisper man oh so so Cassie was in this

motherfucker so Cassie was in here asking fucking stuff you were fine this motherfucker asked about the next chick right that's my homie. The way you said that, I feel like you did that on purpose.

No, man. You didn't know she was there. I didn't know she was there. Oh, you didn't see her? No, nobody saw her. Nobody saw her. So he goes, we didn't know. So we say, yo, Cassie.

It was a surprise to us. Cassie, I say, yo, Cassie. It was a surprise to us. Cassie, I say, yo, hold on. Puff, you got to be on schedule to eat that ass Monday before 7. It's crazy. And then I say, you don't eat Cassie's ass. He comes and goes. Hey, whisper tongue. Can you talk to the microphone? I ain't eat herie's ass. It goes, no. Hey, whisper tongue, can you talk to the microphone?

I ain't gonna eat her ass either right here. I know niggas that'll eat her ass right now. Oh, man, you're gonna repeat that story? Holy shit, man. That's the part you said. Yo, and he walks up. Did he say security? Or did he say, I don't want this nigga bottoming out?

I got no part in this. He about perfect for him if he would have been today You told her. Puff? Yeah, nah. I didn't frame you. I didn't do that. Get it, get it, get it. Get it. Calm down, get it. Calm down. Listen, listen. You better not frame me with that nigga because this is girl.

I'm saying this in front of y'all. I said my nigga with her ass right now. His name is Eddie the ass eater. But I just said, yo, like, Eddie, just come say hi. Nah, you was foul. You was foul. I don't take it.

I don't like seeing this. The way this guy is fucking me out right now. You was foul. Don't listen to him. I don't know why. I'm telling you he was fine all right tell me what happened you said yo and he asked you what he asked right now I didn't say that I didn't mean it like that oh he didn't mean it like that but that's what he said she hid yeah no no now she's there oh she's right on the chair but That's some gangsta shit. But that's my homegirl. But that's some gangsta shit. But look, no, no.

But Puff, my wife right there. So Puff, you know, I'm unembarrassable. I don't know if you ever noticed that. Me? I'm unembarrassable. I represent for the ugly niggas all across the world. Fucking show. It's a white person.

So he goes to my wife, come over here. And then she comes over. And he goes, are you going to give the house away? That's okay. This episode should be out. Maybe. By the time it is. Oh yeah, I guess it would be. Mock-a-bye ping pong, baby.

You know what I'm saying? Alright, we'll change the subject. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, all right. Well, I'm going to change the subject. You're all right. All right. What were we talking about? It's okay.

It doesn't matter. We're having fun. We're here to salute black excellence. No, but you got to the motherfuckers. Okay. And then you asked my wife

and then my wife. Got you, my brother. Got you, my brother. That was an amazing epic episode. It was an amazing episode. Black excellence. Yo, we sat here and you are Jamaican and don't smoke.

And you was born in Jamaica? Born in Jamaica. And live in every hood. 100% Jamaican? 100%. 100%. Don't smoke. Never smoked. No, I didn't say never. I don't say that I don't smoke.

I just don't get it by having it for breakfast. That's the difference We understand You got endorsements If I'm on vacation If I'm on vacation With my wife or whatever Yeah you know

It's good Because almost everybody In my family Or my uncles They're all Everybody in my whole band You're Jamaican Yeah

Everybody in my whole band Smoke What do you mean That just goes With what my family home Yeah Not really Not really

It's a whole country. You Jamaicans are not small. You're a kid. There's a lot of Jamaicans that are small. No, no, no. There's a lot of Jamaicans in Miami. A lot of Jamaicans are small. See, just like a lot of Jamaicans

are not dreadlocks. Absolutely. But I've got none of these because all my friends are small'm saying? Yeah, listen. When I hang out with my white friends, we drink Jager. For old time's sake, they don't drink Jager. They'll tell you, these niggas, they're rich niggas. Why are we doing Jager?

Then they hit the Jager with me and they be like, but you know in high school, afterwards. So when I hang out with my Rastaman. Yeah. Rastaman. Were you born

Chalice? Once hit one. One pool. You were born Chalice? Nah. I'm not touched Chalice.

Yo, your patch was impeccable, man. I don't know, baby. I don't know. I'm very curious. Your patch was

off the chain right there. One pool. First of all, if I rule. We got to have it for Mark D to smoke. He ain't smoking five years. One pour.

There's a rule. Respect. Everything crisp and curry, curry and crisp. Never fry that friggin' seed. Now I'm only enough to smoke when nobody else roll. Okay. All right, it's okay. I'm all right.

So what is it you don't smoke when nobody else roll? Now I'm only not supposed to smoke anything that somebody else roll. Okay. Alright, it's okay. I'm alright. So what is it you don't smoke? Normally you're not supposed to smoke anything that somebody else rolls. You know why? These young niggas eating ass. Yeah, yeah. A whole mother of a shit.

In a whole bag of shit. You're good for the roosting culture. I was just talking about what you might put in the motherfucker. I wasn't even thinking about that shit.

Watch out, Shaggy. It's a dirty. Not anymore. Shaggy, you good. One. What? What? What?

What the fuck? Hold up, man. We got Shaggy to smoke. Man, Shaggy was smoking at 2 o'clock today. Oh, man, yo, I love what we doing That's some good shit too That's some good shit That's some good shit

I ain't playing around Life is too good Right Life can be good to be bullshit Smoke Reggie Miller Yeah don't smoke no Reggie That shit Boris is my friend

He brings Reggie Miller sometimes In Spanish I don't understand why he brings it I be like yo you my friend. He brings Reggie Miller sometimes. In Spanish. I don't understand why he brings it. I be like, yo, you're my friend. We're friends. It's okay. I got the connect. Go see Jose, who knows they in Monse.

You feel me? They're the niggas that got it. Right. And it's fantastic. Boom, buster. Boom, buster. Yo, man. Yo, you know what?

Again, like I said, in Dream Champs... Let's just say, Dream Champs is the only place you're going to have Shaggy and Gilly the Kid on the same table. And it makes a lot of sense.

And it makes sense because you celebrate our culture here. You know what I'm saying? The thing about it is this, where people have to understand. I like when you go to your Jamaican shit.

We as. We as black people have more in common than... It doesn't matter about your cultural background or whatever. I'm Cuban, B. There's a lot we have in common as black people.

You know what it is? The struggle. It don't matter where you are, how much you make or where it is? It's a struggle. It don't matter where you are, what you, you know, how much you make or where it is. Once you sit here and have the conversation, it all comes out. That's why we drink. We're all on the same plane right here. There you go.

And we're going to celebrate. I mean, you know, it's still like a Frenchman. You owe me some shaggy ass out here. Shaggy fans are going to be like, oh, that nigga, you owe me some shaggy ass out here. Shaggy fans are going to be like, who that nigga? You want to get some shaggy ass? When I'm getting that shaggy ass, not on duty, let me pause for a second. Philly, we say not on duty.

Make sure y'all download that Welcome to Philadelphia on iTunes. Definitely. I don't know it right now. Welcome to Philadelphia. Shout out to Philly Welcome to Philadelphia Shout out to Philly Shout out Philly

Shout out Jamaica The Shaggy Respect Kingston Like I said it's my favorite place Big up to Rooster That's real That's real Jamaican shit Big up to Yodman Listen this is what we do just do this. You know what I'm saying? That's real. That's real Jamaican shit. You know what I'm saying?

Big up to the Yardman. Listen, this is what we do over here. We celebrate our legends. We want to continue to support people who put in that work and it's out here having fun, smiling. You know what I'm saying? We live a great life and we just want to continue to support

people who's been doing it for years. A lot of people always ask me, where's the new artist? and we just want to continue to support people who's been doing it for years. A lot of people always ask me, where's the new artists? And we're going to get to the new artists, and we're going to do it. But right now, our shit is about people who's been in the game, who's been a part of the game. We want to respect them because everybody else, they got these other outlets, and it's wonderful for them, and we don't mind who you see. We want to keep supporting other pod that's out there like Tag Stone and Rap Radar and Combat Jack

and Juan Epstein and name this podcast later, Joe Buttons and Rory E. Roran. And two dope queens. Don't be looking at our numbers. Stop. Disrespected our numbers, man.

You're my friend. We like you now. Disrespected our numbers, man. You're my friend. We like you now. Disrespected our numbers, man. I like that me and you got numbers beef. It's got nothing to do with your buttons. It's not awkward. Me and you got number beef right now. I like when people...

He came at us. He came at us. He came at us. This is CBS that's putting these numbers together, man. Fuck CBS going to get from making up numbers. What are we going to get? Yeah, man. How are we going to get more ad money if the numbers is 50 today?

That's not sliming them. Never do fugizis. We're going to do whatever. Sliming them. Sliming them. We don't do fugizis. We don't do fugizis. But that's how you know that he had a little bit of hate in his blood.

I respect it, though. I respect it. When you're smashing a nigga and he's standing across from you, I'm so mad that you were sitting in this chair, but he was there. He was there. I looked at him. I seen, you know, his hate. His little hate.

He's from Queens. A white guy. I like him. Irish guy. But he was mad at our numbers. Mad salty. Mad salty. Mad salty. But you know what? We different people,

we enjoy the hate. We have to embrace it. You got to embrace the hate. We have to embrace it. And we don't make the numbers up anyway. We don't. What the fuck? The numbers is what they is.

The numbers are what they are. Listen to me. Listen, man. The only people who make the numbers up is the auction. 25, 35, 45, 45, 45, 57, 58, 59, 60. And it's still real because someone pays. For us to be doing this for that amount of years and still be here and still making paper and still being a force to be reckoned with.

I've been counted out so many times in this game. They counted us all out. Right. You're still here, man. They counted us all out. Right. You're still here, man. They counted us all out. So, you know, I mean, I'm blessed, man. That's what this show is about. Yeah.

We still here. Let's celebrate it. Yep. Shaggy, anytime you want, you want to come back. I'm going to celebrate tonight right now, too. Shit. We're going to celebrate. Kelly, anytime.

It don't matter. Come back. Don't fuck with us. We're going to get you drunk over this time. Yeah. We want to keep you on point. The way you look at it. I'm bringing a case next time.

A case is what I'm talking about. Right here needs to get retired. The next will ever come. Trust me, dude. You might like that shit. You might like that shit. This shit right here.

This is the star of the show. Whenever we're here and the guests, you know, at one point, that's how the interview change. But see, y'all already heard it. I think we should close out with another shot. I'm in. Look, look at you.

I'm in. I'm in. It was a bad idea, but shit. We gotta celebrate. What you say we got to celebrate? We got to celebrate us. Us. We got to celebrate us. All right.

Us. We got to celebrate us. Yeah, I ain't going to afford it. Mid-sentence, I was like, I don't know what you're doing right now. But, go ahead. I never think in a million years I will be drinking suey sauce with Shaq. Wait, suey sauce with Shaq. Suey sauce with Shaq? That's gangster.

All right, here you go. Here you go, man. It's too much? Yeah, you're supposed to go far. No, no, no. You can run like a dungeon dragon. Don't worry about it, buddy. Fuck it.

Y'all get the same shit. Don't think I'm the only one that's going to have too much. All right, cool. Kill it with your shit at night. You going around? Donall get the same shit. Don't think I'm the only one that's gonna have too much Killing with your shit Hold up, hold up. Make the toast gillin', make the toast gillin'. Ah, nah, nigga. Ah, nah, ah, nah, ah, nah. Ah, nah, ah, nah, ah, nah. Yo, shots fired, shots fired. Yo, yo. All right, all right. Come on, cut it, come on.

I believe in that. This shit is horrible. Mmm. Ah! It gets better. It gets better. Oh, fuck! It gets better the second time. It gets better. It gets better. Fuck!

It gets better the second time. Damn boys. You see that the thing is hot. That shit builds cobwebs in your lips. It gets better the second time. It never gets better. It doesn't get better. It doesn't get better.

Is your fucking lip supposed to be burning? If you got a cold, that shit is burning. Is your fucking lip supposed to be burning, brother? You stop and shit that fucking cold. If you got a cold, that shit is gone. Oh, yeah, it's gone. No. That shit takes eight hours, man. That's all I'm saying. Jesus Christ.

This shit is fucked up. It's okay. This is an herb. Did I say that before? This shit from fucking hell. Shit from fucking hell. That shit tastes like sweet sauce. That's a good way to close it out, man.

Yo, hold on. We got to do a picture and a drop Hold on, hold on Yo Shaq Got you I wanna thank y'all for being a part of the drink champs We got drunk When drinking Sui sauce and alcohol

Y'all gotta understand I don't drink man That shit is stronger than Swanson maker In 1986 It takes a while to wear off That shit burn Yo

No no no You alright? No Yo I was fucking with Shaggy So he suggested That second shot Shaggy Shaggy Shots fired Shots fired Let me tell you something man

I admit that's a bad idea You want to do it again? One more time. That's even the worst idea. Three is the best way to go. Three is my lucky number. I agree. Listen. Might as well go three while we're here, man.

Fifty did four. Fifty did four. So Puff did like 900. That's a strong fact. How much did Puff do? No, Puff did 900. Don't lie. Puff did a conco you. That's a strong fact. How much did this puff do? No, puff did 900. Don't lie. Puff did a concoction.

But 50 did four. 50 did four. 50 don't even drink that much, dude. He don't drink that much. He don't drink that much. Three, three. Now we have to do three just to close it out. 50 got extra muscles to soak that shit up.

Let's be sweet, kind of. Come on, Trump might be president. Let's do this. Yo, Buff now only took him. He actually, his drink is since 86. How's it going with Trump?

How's it going with Trump? He's drinking Michelin. I heard you was winning at a lecture. Is he winning still? He's up. Trump is up? He's up?

Trump is up. We definitely gotta take a shot. We gotta take a shot of Tiger Bowl, man, cause it's a wrap. We gotta move to Jamaica. No,

the shot's fired. Small shot. Small shot. Y'all, I're gonna shoot fire. Small shots. Y'all... Fuck it, I'm gonna build a wall. Y'all niggas ain't coming to Jamaica. Fuck that. I'm gonna build a fucking wall for y'all motherfuckers. Y'all ain't coming.

Y'all ain't coming. How many times y'all trying to stop us from coming to the States? Fuck that shit. I'm gonna build a wall for you motherfuckers. Trump wins shit. That's it. That's it.

Hit him lightly. That's yours. Vamos, cheferino. Ah, that's it. I'm like, we're drinking sweet salsa, alcohol. Are you on type B? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I'm on high.

Woo, you're getting there. Lightly, lightly. This is a firebond. I want everybody to survive. Firebond. Damn, you went high on shaggy, man. I was heavier because he saw that I was heavier. You were heavier. You were heavier. You were heavier. You were heavier. You were heavier. I was I was

this is gonna be you know how legendary this episode is it is pretty fucking I apologize my brother I apologize if there was ever a face if there ever was a face I apologize, my brother. I apologize. I apologize, bro. If there was ever a face to go with the word befuddled, Gilly has it right now.

Gilly has it right now. Gilly's like, yo, fuck this shit. Raw's before, too. Raw's before. Watch this shit. They don't understand this shit. I don't think the fans are going to appreciate it't understand appreciate this motherfucker fuck come on take our time with this I don't fucking freak

22 years old he loves this shit dog of all, you're too young to be drinking this shit. Yeah, yeah. His liver going to give out in a half a month. Get him out of the hospital. Yeah, but he said my brother's in the hospital. You know, I drink bottles of this shit. That's not something to brag about, guys. I drank a whole bottle.

You're trying to set me to fuck up, right? No, no, no. Three. You're good. You're good. Three. Three, you're good. Let's go.

Let's go. Trust me. All right, come on, nigga. You ain't're good. You're good. Three. Three. You're good. Let's go. Let's go. Trust me. No, no. Three, we done. All right. Come on, nigga. You ain't never had to look at me sideways ever. Don't get it. Don't leave us hanging, bro. It's a part of the show. I don't, nigga. It's sad luck. You know, we got to do it. I can't blame you. This shit tastes like shit.

Bro, I'm fucked up. I don't drink like that. It's okay. And this ain't even liquor. This is damn near heroin. I'm going to let you know right now. I need more. I got some ass even liquor. This is damn near heroin. I'm gonna let you know right now. I need more. I'm gonna smash this shit. Peace to the gods.

Give me a shot of Henny. This is it. This is it. This shit tastes like. Ah, damn. He took it. Ah, shit. He took it.

He took it. He did it. Real niggas. Real niggas shit. Come on. Let's celebrate life. You gonna test my card? All right, real nigga card.

All right, let's go. Real nigga card. You gonna do that, bro? All right, all right.. Throw me your card. You gonna do that, bro? All right, all right. Once again. I already did it, bro. Drink it. Mmm.

Look, look, look. Dance. Macabaya ping pong. Make a high up, yo. You need some water. And I ain't got no fucking water, too. Oh, shout out to Giddy right now. All right, Giddy, Giddy, Giddy.

Giddy, Giddy, Giddy. Giddy, Giddy, Giddy. Giddy, Giddy, Gid now. All right, don't make this man do no more shots at Tiger Bowl, man. We out of here, man. It's a one. It's a juice. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production, hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJ EFN. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. That's at Drink Champs across all platforms,

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