Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ John Singleton | (Ep.86)

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary John Singleton !The legendary filmmaker John Singleton joins the Champs for a powerful and reflective conversation that bridges hip-hop culture and Hollywood history. With drinks flowing and stories unfolding, Singleton opens up about his groundbreaking career, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at the creation and lasting impact of Boyz n the Hood, a film that reshaped how inner-city life was portrayed on screen.Throughout the episode, Singleton shares candid insights on navigating the film industry as a young Black director, the pressures of early success, and his role in telling authentic stories rooted in culture. The conversation also touches on the making of the Tupac Shakur biopic and Singleton’s connection to hip-hop’s evolution, highlighting how closely film and music have always been intertwined.Balancing humor, wisdom, and real talk, this episode captures Singleton’s legacy as both a visionary and cultural storyteller. His perspective, combined with the signature Drink Champs energy, makes for an engaging and insightful episode that celebrates creativity, influence, and the importance of owning your narrative.Make some noise for John Singleton !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on June 19th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A guy that I feel like cinema should be handed to him. Like, period. Like when it comes to cinema, he has to be the executive producer. Of the word. Of the word. Like when you look up cinema, it got to be. His face got to be right there. He's made legendary movies.

He's got to work with the legends of the legends. Made the legends. He made the legends. Put it in their first movie. Put, especially hip-hop. When they come to hip-hop, he was the, I feel like he invented this. You know what? I'm going to take rappers and I'm going to make them movie stars.

I feel like he's responsible. Give him some other jobs. Right now, we got the legendary. John Singleton and their mother-up? Did you get the love for developing? cinema, period. How did that even come to you? I grew up next to a drive-in theater, and

I just looked at my window and I used to see, like, kung fu movies and horror movies and Michael Myers and stuff, and Blasportation movies, and I saw Pam Greer's Titties, and I was like, Are you saying Pam's great tities is what

made you who? It made focus. I got to get, I got to know how to do that. That's what made me do that. That's what happened. It's true story. I'm not making it up. Now, everybody knows Baby Boy was supposed to be a role for Tupac. Yes. How

difficult was that saying that, you know what, I had wrote this originally for my friend, because you guys were friends and he's not here. How difficult was that to pick that actor, that Tyrese actor? I put it up on the show for years after, because the last thing,

last conversation I had with Park was at the Chris Shaw Mall. He was doing this video to live and die in L.A. and I was like, I got the movie that's going to get you an Oscar. That was it. And then a couple weeks later, he wasn't with us anymore. So I didn't, I didn't plan on doing the movie at all, at all. And it just, I don't know Tyrese since he was 16 years old.

And I did this movie Shaft. Tyrese was supposed to be in the movie, but he was too busy being an MTV, VJ. Wow. Wow. Wow. And then I said, okay, I got this movie. I'm going to pull off the shelf and, you know, just like people have stuff and files and stuff, I got movies and crates and stuff that I've written.

And I said, okay, maybe this is the time to do this movie. But by the way, Shaft, like when people do remakes, it's very hard because, and I can't believe how you pulled off Shaft like that. Yeah, yeah, it was good. It was good to be in New York. It was a crazy time to be in New York. In the Heights, too. In the Heights.

I was in the Heights. we was in the heist, we was in Harlem, we was all over the whole city it was, you know, you remember it was, that was, when I was making that movie, we were the only movie that was shooting in the time, it was like

in the daytime and the night, I was shooting in the night, and then sometimes in the night I was up in Cheetah and Central Fly and like, what was the first thing I said to you when I saw you? I was like, Club New York, God say you and said you were since Club New York. I was like, oh my God.

But I was like, I was a wild person then. I'm different now. I'm more conservative. When you make movies, is movies, like, you have to go through something. Like, you know how sometimes comedians will come out with things every five years? Because it's like they actually got to go through experiences. For me, it's, for me making films is kind of an emotional experience. You know, I put my all into it.

I put my heart and soul and it's just like it takes something out of you but it gives something back and every time I do a movie it's an adventure so lately I've been just like concentrated on television instead of movies because people are watching more TV than there are films

and there's a lot more to do you know like you can make a movie every two or three years but a film a TV show it's like doing a movie every movie every week. You get a chance to shoot, pull a new talent, put people in, and see how they work,

and then maybe if they work in the TV show, then you take them off to a movie. So that's my bond. Can you feel the same way about writing and directing? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have to, whatever I do, I have to write. I have to write. Because I have to put my own stink on it. Now, what made you say to Ice Cube, you said?

Because I remember you saying that, you knew that. Yeah, excuse me some of that Daryl Young. Thank you. Thank you. Bottles in here. So, you said to Ice Cube, and just so you know,

oh, it's a plastic on it. Come on, Ian Fenn. Help him out. Come on, Ian Fian. You're closest to, come on, Ian. I don't know. He's not at all. He didn't get it all.

It's okay. I got, okay, okay. Let me show you the open up therely. I don't even know to do it. But you said to Ice Cube that his first rhymes were like movie-like. So, and then he went later on and created Friday. Did you ever think,

you should have been a part of Friday as well? Well? Yeah, I did. Let's keep it real. Here's the true story. When we were doing boys in the head, he started looking at how movies were made watching a set. So he did a video called Dead Homies. You've seen that video, it's really cinematic. He started doing slow-o-ocean shots and really cinematic stuff.

And even when Cube had other people direct the videos, he would be quasi-directed. So then he was like, okay, I want to write movies. I said, well, okay, we got to get a laptop. He, me, him, and his now wife, you know, when she was dispensed, when you told him back, didn't he had to get a laptop? We wouldn't go on a laptop. So he's a screenwriting stuff. So he wrote, from that, the next year and a half, he wrote like three screenplays.

He wrote different titles of screenplays. And every one of them, I was like, ah, this one, this one. And then he stopped showing me his screenplays. Wow. So then he wrote, because I kept shitting on him a little bit. Because I was like, okay, because that's my brother, right? You can do better than this, right? And then, but he was also selling them too.

You know, it didn't matter if I thought they was happening. He sold some stuff to Universal. He was selling, like, right off the box. Stuff that we know that we came out of. No, no, he didn't have got produced. He was just selling screenplays. And then, so then he does, we do, we do higher learning together. And then he's like, I'm doing this other movie.

And he's like, I'm, and he's like, okay. But he started Friday out. independently. He put his on money up for Friday. And the new line was like, we want to help you. And I was like, if you would have told me that, I would have thrown everything in it. Because it was like, you know, when he finally got it done, he showed it to me. I was like,

it's going to be huge. And it was. You know what I mean? Are we talking about Friday? Friday. Oh, wow. Yeah, Friday. Okay. So Friday, you know, he did that all on his own, man. You know, and look at him now, man. Yeah. Yes. So now I'm glad you brought up

higher learning, right? Because higher learning, I feel like was a socially conscious movie. Yeah, yeah. We don't really have socially conscious movies anymore. No, we don't. Are we missing that? We're missing a lot of things.

We're missing an error of it, too. Salute, John. This is how we do it and drink chances. A-da-a-da-ha. This is how we doing. So are we missing social conscious movies? I think we're missing movies that are about something. I think we need that now. more than ever. Because I'm kind of proud of

J-Z for the Rikers Island documents. Oh, Khalid. Proud. That was nice. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. For him to tell that story. And now him, he's doing the Trayvon Martin story. I feel like... He's doing a movie and a doctor of Trayvon Martin. I think that's really smart. Right.

And something that needs to be done. Yeah, because we need that, like, for our community, because I just feel like it's balanced. I feel like levels fell back on his level. We've got to balance it. And I feel like that's the perfect way. It's just, it's because it's so many of us more

in our community are watch more than they read. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know what I mean? I mean, it's, what I do, I like to do films that are like, make people think, but also entertain.

So then they'll have to watch it several times and be like, you know, did I really see that in there? Wait, wait, hold on, let's see it another time. So, you know, even when I make a film that is really, really has heavy issues in it, It's entertaining.

You don't really notice. Now, poetic justice. Ice Cube Role was originally Too, excuse me, Tupac's Role was originally Ice Cube's. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Cube said he wanted to do a romance. Oh, God. Okay.

Oh, God. And now, why? Okay, at the time, we see Tupac in juice. We see Tupac everywhere else. But what makes you say, I'm going to make Tupac riding a male band with Janet Jackson. He killed it.

Because, I mean, you know, he was, it's crazy because I didn't even give it a second thought because you didn't realize Pac had just done juice. It hadn't even come out yet. Oh, yeah. I heard you say you saw the movie in advance. I saw the movie in advance. I saw, okay, this dude, you know, I

wasn't thinking about him to be in poor justice. I was still thinking about Q. I was like, we got to do something together, so we chopped it up and just like, you know, and he just got back because he had gotten to L.A. and I was like, we got to do something together. So when Kube said what he said, I said, okay,

I called up him and I said, you know, you want to do it? He said, yeah, yeah, I'll do it. Now, boys in the hood. Boys and Hood comes out first, right? Yes. And then Ministers Society comes out. Yes. I got to ask a petty question.

What's the time? I like the time. I like TIPETI. I like that time between them, just so. Two years. Yeah. Damn. Did you ever think like, ah, they kind of ripped me off.

Exactly. Was that the Hughes Brothers? Yeah, that was Hugh's brother. We never heard your side of the story because I kind of felt like, oh, shit, they just made it. There was a lot of friction with that movie, too. Well, no, they just made, they made an interesting film that was more violent than my movie. My movie was, I say, was more kind of embedded in what my personal experience was. in the studio that made

Minis Society said we gotta have something to ask you know there's a lot of movies but in retrospect Minnesota Society is the best of all of those movies that came after Boys you know what I mean because there's a lot of movies that they tried to copy it was like you know

but but you know in fact my favorite character of Minnesota is Old Dog Oh yeah yeah MCA because he was like the most supposed to play right? No Tupac was supposed to play this character

this other character that another dude that was in boys, Vante Sweet play, he was the more conscious brother. Oh, that's right. The Muslim. The Muslim. The Muslim. The father was a teacher. That was Poxwell, yeah. Right, right. And then he had Corbueyford and he was brothers and Tuchar had the ill role too.

Too Chaw had a girl role. So, so what is, what is John Singleton, Washington, what are you sitting back and saying that you don't have, that you didn't produce? I know you're doing a lot of TV. What are what? But what do you enjoy? Like, when you, it's in your leisure?

Yeah. Me? I mean, like, In terms of just life and stuff. Movies. Movies? TV. I know you're doing too much TV to watch TV. Yeah, I'm sure.

It's too much TV to watch TV. I don't even get a chance to really watch my TV because I'm making TV right now. Right. I mean, like, you know, I like movies and stuff and everything, but the movies, the movies now are not, you know, I don't feel that they're, they don't push hard enough in terms of the culture as much as possible. You know what I mean? Like in terms of mainstream movies, you know what I'm saying? And that needs to be done. You know what I mean?

Because like Boys in the Hood was so much of an important message. It's just like, yo, you know, you can live the street life, but there is actually consequences. Exactly. There's actually, and that's what hip-hop sometimes fails to tell. Yeah, we only tell you. It's always failed to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sell the drugs. Work the bitches.

I don't know, you're going to do nine years. You know what I'm saying? And nothing at the other end of it. Yeah, exactly. No. I'm all about the reality of it. You know what I'm saying? And what was that, like, your goal?

Because I know. No, right enough. No. Oh, wow. My goal was just basically to tell a good story. I was just like, you know, just like trying to get something off my chest that, an experience that I lived through. And that a lot of my family and friends had lived through. So that was always about.

What if Ice Cube said no to playing doughboy? Who the hell would have played that? I couldn't imagine. I don't know. I can't even. I don't even want to go there. I can't think of nobody. Where will we be now if I've Cub didn't play that part, man.

It was like, you know, I think he was robbed of an Oscar nomination. I think he should have an Oscar for that. It's one of those timeless performances that just exists. And I'm going to be honest with you. When I look at, like, if I want to describe the West Coast, how I first visualized the West Coast, I would start at Boys and other. I would start there and be like, you'll work around it. I actually go there first and then colors.

Even though colors were first. I can't stand colors. You are? No, I cursed it. When I was in a school, I was from East Coast. I don't know. That was real to me. I'm sorry.

No, but it wasn't real. It was derivative. It wasn't. Because it wasn't done by black people. It was like, you know, it was like, you know, it was nothing about that thing that was really truly, truly whatever. You know, like people were more caricatures. Yeah, there were more caricatures. Yeah, they weren't real.

Right. You know, and so, you know. So now I've got to get to the million-dollar question. What's that? Why isn't John Singleton directing this Tupac movie? Why don't you got to ask me? I feel like you got to get another shot. I feel like you got to get another shot because we want the real answer.

And I'm going to take one with you. I'm not going to busy myself on this and that because you're going to bring up even more blood. No, no problem. And fashions and everything and stuff. Because it's documented that you guys are friends. It's like, nobody can't dispute that. Well, I'm just saying that the people that got the rights to do the movie, they had different ideas on how to do the movie than I did.

And that's it. You were part of it at some point, right? Yeah, it was, yeah. In the beginning, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, no, not as it came in through and everything, but, you know, let them make their movie and let's see how it does. And, you know, let's see what sucks. Because you're personally involved.

So does that ever, like, mess up your creative process? Like, do you ever say? No, not enough. Because I'm personally involved. That means I'm more. focused and more like I'm more like get it you know what I'm saying like

that means I'm you know as I said embedded you know what I'm saying I'm down on the ground I'm ready to shoot you know what I mean like that makes it more powerful than I'm more personally involved and do you know if Benny Boom ever even met Tupac? I don't want to go out

Benny's my friend too but I'm just asking I'm curious you got to ask Benny Benny yeah yeah yeah every time I say something bad about to him with Benny Cosby and said you know you shit on my So it's like, you know, I don't even want to touch it right now. You know, let the movie come out.

Y'all make your own judgment and what you want to say about the movie. But if you had had your choice, how would you have done it? Because I don't know if you've seen like the outlaw guys. He had just said something. He accused of saying that he wanted to put a rape scene of Tupac in there. Yeah. Well, there's a whole lot of things that they were not have in the movie that actually happened, that they won't want to. We're not saying Tupac got raped.

There's a whole lot of things that happen. There's a whole lot of stuff. There's stuff that, why, who actually was involved in his death? Why do he die? What I'm saying? Will the lead up to his death? You know what I'm saying? Like, so I don't know what they did with the movie.

So, you know, it's like I can't even speak on it because I don't even what they did with the movie. And I won't watch the movie. You know what? But if you had your choice, how would you did the movie? If you had your choice, how would you did the movie? How would I what? Did the movie? Like, I'm going to say that over podcasts?

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna make you know I'll make them right movie You know You gotta understand And I don't want to speak on this Over and over here I come from

I come from I come from You know Tupac was born in 1971 I was born 1978 We are revolutionary babies There's a difference between being a revolutionary baby and being someone

who's just hip hop You know what I mean We were built You know For the betterment of our people We were built for to bring everybody up. You know what I'm saying?

And a whole lot of stuff that happened in terms of black liberation was faltered because black people were not in solidarity with each other. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to be that person that keeps on having dissension

or whatever. They made the movie. They stole the rights from his mother. So they made the movie they want to make and hopefully one day I'll get a chance to tell that story. But otherwise, I got all this other shit that I'm trying to do that is in line with what my principles are as a person and as a black man that that I'm going to do. So that's all I want to speak over. Let's make some noise for that.

Let's make some noise for that. You would still try to make a pod movie in the future? Yeah, of course. I think you should do a documentary or at least. No, no, it has to be a movie. It's too important not to just make a movie. not to just make a movie. I mean, like, you know, there's so many different things around why

who he was as a person, you know, and why people can be inspired by it. Right. You know? No, it's such a great story. So when I hear, like, you know, when people have differences, would it? I always listen because I never got to meet Tupac ever. Yeah, I never got to meet Tupac. Actually, he actually hung out in my hood and I was in jail.

So I actually never got to meet Tupac ever. So I'm always, this is actually me as a fan. They just ask you. But now you also got to work with somebody who's also legendary and who also, I think, is innocent. O.J. Simpson. You got to work with O.J. I didn't get to work with him.

I mean, I met him before. I met him before, but I did an episode of a show based on it. People versus OJ, correct? Exactly. Okay. Now, how was that? It was good. It was interesting.

It was fun. It was like, you know, it was good. Because he changed L.A. After that, well, he changed, he changed culture. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean. You changed all that thing, buddy. How he changed L.A.?

I mean, like, what I mean is, like, we just looked at L.A. like, different after that. Oh, you mean, from the East Coast, you were like, oh, my gosh. Because of O.J.? Yeah, I mean. Why, why? That's weird. That's weird. I mean, it was just weird.

I mean, because, like, we never knew. We thought only our cops was racist. We never knew. that outside of our shit there's other people that's racist you know what I'm saying like we didn't travel but out of the OJ

it was like clear it was like holy moly guacamole this is what it's going down but I never thought OJ did it and I met OJ as well when we met him

that was right you were in here you know I met him twice you know I met him in Kendall too in Kendall in Kendo yeah I met him in our neighborhood

yeah he was in our neighborhood yeah he was did he beat the man at that time yeah and he was walking out the best bite, he said, my leg is killing me, and I thought that was the funniest thing in the world that he said that.

I don't get it. He was limping. Something was wrong with his leg, and he goes, my leg is killing me. Just him saying killing me? He had bad legs. He had bad legs. But I just, you know what it is? I hung around like real killers, right? And it's always a certain instinct about them. Exactly.

And he didn't have it. Exactly. He did not have it. But you got to say the story about when we met him at the concert, what he said. You got to tell the story, please. I feel like, I feel like you don't co-sign it. I co-signed that's just like you don't tell me about it. So, what concert? It was some, it was a radio station.

You know, they do like summer jams and they did a concert, Fort Myers. So my record label would tell me, don't stand next to OJ. So OJ is at the summer jam and he's hosting it. He's hosting it. It's the oddest thing in the world. It's me hosting. It's the odd thing. This is crazy.

So we're all backstage. I'm with him and his boys. And his crew at that time, we're still. His boys. It's called murder unit. Murder Unit. So OJ's there. OJ comes, everybody's like,

let's take a picture together. And there's this infamous picture. And when he's snapping the shot, one of his boys says, you original murder unit. And he said, yeah. It's me who said it. No, I was looking at it for that.

But I'm honestly, I never thought. I wish I had tape for that. Yeah, yeah. And this is before Instagram. But we do got a picture that. You have the picture. We don't have a picture that moment. But we got a picture of that night.

No, you have a picture of when. he said that. That picture is right when he said that. Holy shit. You should have been told me that. Holy moly. But that was awesome working on that because you're from their time. You live through that time. Exactly. Yeah. So is it better for you to be passionate about the project? It's much better for me to be

like passionate about it. Take it personal. Like, you know, just feel it in my heart. You know, and that's, you know, that's what it's about. Have you ever done something for the money? It was just like, this is just for the money. Yeah, I have, I have. You know, but it doesn't work out. It doesn't work out too well.

I can't explain that to the heart reviews. It's just you have to, whenever you do something, you know, artistic, whether or not, even if you're getting paid for it, it's better to do it for the passion of it, for the heart of it. And you really feel it. That, you know, it's just, you know, in your blood, like you would do anything, you know, you'll kill somebody if they fuck with your shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's how I am about certain things, you know what I'm doing something.

You know? And not everybody's about that. People are just, you know, they're just going about the jobs and, you know, whatever it is. But me, I'm like, I'm like laser. I'm like, I got to get it. Right. You know? Right.

I feel like, I mean, I mean, you know, I know you for years. I know you're bad. I knew you're in your real drinking years, right? Right. Right. But I feel like, I feel like that's what drives you. It's passion first. And you feel it in the work.

Because I, I feel, you're watching something. Yeah. You feel a passion. That's why. I can get people to do things that they would do with me, but they wouldn't do with other people, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like sex scenes and baby boy. Yeah, everything.

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when people are at home, they want entertainment. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Now, what was a moment in life that you passed on, but you regret it? Like something. Isn't it passed on? Didn't you pass on the wire? Yeah, I passed on the wire. Oh, wow.

You passed on the wire. I just didn't think it was doing the whole thing? No, no, the first season. I didn't know it was going to be what it was, but it would buy. the time got into this like Thursday I was like wait a minute because Corners Corners came before and Corners wasn't that great Corners was all right but it wasn't what the wire It wasn't the wire was incredible man

The wire was lit you know I mean it was lit it was so lit It was like I really covered all angles too Yeah it did it did so who you get the call for for the wire is HBO or the agent called me It's like I'm not gonna do that I was like damn Is that the only thing you ever passed on you regret it or The only thing I can remember right now you know Now, is there anything that, like, you have a set out to do,

you did it, and then you was disappointed in the outcome? No, not at all. I mean, like, you know, I think my work stands for a thousand. We know that. We know that. How about? How about it? We bad at a thousand.

We know that. We know that. A thousand right now. God forbid, you know. Right, right. You know, so, you know, I'm still, still hitting it really hard. I'm gonna do some more TV and I'm Duptail and do some more movies

But everything I do is gonna be real passionate And just hitting it real real hard Now what do you like better though I know you're doing TV TV or It's the same thing? It's the same thing to me It's the same thing to me You watch anything that I produce on TV It looks like one of my movies

It's not any less or more work No no no Now we got Rebel on BET Correct Yes exactly And you got to premiere for Rebel tonight. Yeah, another episode tonight. Okay, and where

is this that? So our people could know? Or this is private? What? What? The rebel premiere tonight? Oh, no, no. Oh, is this air in the night? No, it's not air in the night. But, you know, you say you do it every week before the joint, so we would like to get some of life. Oh, yeah, we just have a little thing in Zen Lounge in the Valley, in San Fernando Valley.

It's like, blah for a so in Lancasham. It's a little spot. So what's the next thing? for black media like okay birth of a nation came out it didn't work right because it felt like it was

it worked it just got squashed it got squashed it got squashed so what's the next movie got squashed because they didn't want that movie to come out you know with the black lives matter stuff and all stuff they that movie they squash that movie that's the real talk it's very true

that's real talk they squash a movie and black people are kind of like you know they've a complicit in squashed in that movie But as a movie director, was the movie good period? The movie was good. It was a good movie. It was good. Okay.

You see the movie? I did. You got to see the movie? I didn't. I've been running around. I didn't see my own movie. I didn't see my own movie. I can't see it in my own movie right now.

I ain't even seeing it in my world. But listen, man, we need more directors like you, right? We need more people who are passionate and they work. So if a person is listening to this podcast and they have, they, that's their goals. That's their, that's what they want to achieve. How do you get started? Because now these kids can just buy the equipment.

Like when you started, you had to be almost rich to get cameras. Yeah, but you have to look at, to do it really, really well. You have to study it. You have to study what came before and style and tone and theme. And you have to be real red. about how story how stories propagate universally

you know what I mean in different languages and stuff right and that's what made me do what I did and create your own style and then you create your own style but you went to film school though

yeah but before film school I was doing all that and even after film school I kept learning I'm learning all the time you know so if a young director director is sitting out there and they feel like they're creative they feel like they can write

what's the first step you suggest for them? To watch all movies and watch movies from around the world. How far back you think they should watch movies? To the beginning of cinema, to the beginning of the moving picture. You have to

study it. Be a student of the game. Student of the game. Now, you wrote off our colors. Is American Me a real authentic? No, that was a great movie.

I mean, I'm not saying that because I'm Latino. That was a good movie Good. I hop up blood in blood out. That was the colors of America. That was the colors of America. That was the colors of America. That was the colors.

Are we doing another shot? I feel like we're doing another show. Come on, John. You got to a party. You're on your way to... And you're so rich, man. We hear you got yachts and all type of things. We love you, man.

We love you, man. And you know what? You're a humble guy, but I'm a brag for you. Yots and all the cops' days. I'm going to brag for you, man. God damn. Come on. Yeah, I'm brag for you, man.

You know what I mean? Listen, I don't know if you know, but our show is about giving our legends flowers when they can smell them and trees when they can inhale them. Because our society so much praises a person after they die. And I feel like that is so backwards. Yeah, exactly. I should be able to tell you how much I appreciate you right here face-to-face, man-to-eye, as opposed to waiting for you to pass away. And then be like, yeah, he was a great guy, me and him party together back in the day. Like, I just say that now.

Like, you know what I'm saying? And I actually learned that through Dave Chappelle, you know, the way it was Prince, and it was like he started praising Prince while Prince was alive. And it's just like, that's what we got to continue to do. And that's not just as a culture. That's as people. Yeah, exactly. As human beings, we got to start praising our people while they're here.

So with that being said, how was it working with Janet Jackson? Penny. You know, come on, man. It was beautiful. I jerked off the Penny a lot. I'm going to throw that out there. It was good. I don't know if this interview got awkward.

Is that serious? That whole AIDS thing? No, that was not serious. That was a joke that we was having on a set because the real talk is Tupac was attracted to Janet. I was attracted to Janet. The world was attracted to Janet. We're in the set.

We're both trying to like, you know, flirt with her and stuff. And I'm like, you know, well, I don't know if, you know, I should have you kissing on my actress because, you know, you've been fucking around doing all this shit. You know, Pac was just. just coming in his own there, right? And I was like, man, fuck that shit. I was like, hell yeah. And you know what? You're going to have to do an A's test before y'all

do this love scene. It was a joke. She said that. No, me. Oh, you said that. You know, it's me saw and out my nigga on the set. Right, right, right. Just like, you know, talking shit. And then we're like, oh, shit. We should, we should use this. We should put this out. And so that's what we did. As a publicity thing? As a publicity thing, we just did that shit.

I thought that shit was mad. But it's just like us talking about it. And everybody got mad at Janet Jackson about that shit. But it was just us talking on the shit on the set and everything at this. And, you know, it was an inside joke. That's what the works. Now, not only did you get to work with Janet Jackson, but you got to work with the big man, Mike Jackson.

Did he have a glove on when you met him? No, he didn't have a glove. This guy is where he wore it the whole time. Like, I ain't going to lie. And he did, it's so crazy because in his, in his prime moments, you see Michael on camera and all stuff, he didn't talk the way that he talks, you know. Oh, you're saying Mike, Mike was a new. nigga like,

like, Mike was like, Mike was just a dude. He had a different tone and everything. Tone and everything. Come on, you gotta describe this too. Yeah.

You gotta describe. No, I'm just saying that Mike would just, that was an expectation that he put on for the cameras. He didn't, he wasn't talking about it. He was just a brother.

He was just, different demeanor and everything. Different demeanor and everything. It's just like, you know, he's just like, hey, you know. And he was really, despite what he,

you know, he ended up doing to his face and his skin got lighter and everything. He was a real brother, man. He was really about, black people. Because I heard that video That was after Magic

Actually announced And he wanted to do something For Magic And Mike wanted Mike wanted magic in the video He said you know Call him Magic Let's get him in the video

Remember the time? Yeah remember the time now I hear that shit in my head right now Yeah Yeah Wow Nah I ain't gonna lie I couldn't have met Michael Jackson

I would have gave him I would give him a five too hard Who gave us the crazy No, no, no, Nadi by Nature gave us the crazy. Oh, Nottie by Nation. Michael Jackson's story. Okay, okay. Wow.

So how, was he a pure genius? Like, was he everything? He was, he's damn near a genius. I mean, damn near genius. I mean, like, you know, the things that he did and that he wanted to do and stuff, you know, like, you know, unprecedented in this business. You know? That was a genius. Have you ever been starstruck?

Yeah. Who are you star struck? I got to hear this. I mean, I've only been Star Shuck two times in my whole career. I need to hear both. Let's go for it. The first was meeting Stephen Spielberg. Because it's like, you know, as a kid growing up, you know, like he was the, you know, the young person that went on to make movies at an early age.

And I wanted to be like that. Just nervous. You know, I saw him. And as soon as I saw him and we met. It was like, it was like, you know, it was just great. And he's like the godfather in your business. Godfather of filmmaking, a filmmaking. The second was Richard Pryor.

You met Richard Pryor? Yeah, Richard Pryor. Damn, what did you mean, Richie Pryor? I met Richard Pryor. I used to hang out the comedy store. In my mind, as soon as you said you met Richard Pryor, I thought the comedy store. And so, and it's funny because Richard Pryor was hanging out with Al Pacino. Comedy Club was in Hollywood.

You hear this with Alpatici. Wait, wait, wait, you're talking about. Hold on. Did you sneak Al Pacino in this story? Richard Parr was saying out with Al Pacino. I can't even imagine that area. Your life is dope. And I'm like...

Let's throw that out there. I don't even look at Al Pacino. I'm looking at Mr. Parv. But Richard used to have this dude that worked for him. It came over to me. And he said, you know, Richard would like to say hello to you. And I walked across the room and Richard was kind of frail. The MS was getting him, but it wasn't.

He wasn't wheelchair about it. Yeah, he wasn't wheelchair about it. And he just said, Are you the young man that made that movie? Boys in the Hood just came out. And I said, yes, sir, I am. And mind you, because you like me, you listen to every Richard Pry Alvin.

Your mama has, sis, birth. I feel like I've got him from your story. You know, I curse. Listen to Rich Bride, right? He said, are you the young man that made the movie? I said, yes, sir, yeah. And he goes and gives me a hug. Nigga, I just cried on his shoulder.

I said, man. I said, because this is a man. And then after that, we became friends. I used to go up to his house. So he'd be sit up in the bed. He had a gun right by the side of his bed. This motherfucker had a gun right next to his bed. And every comedian, the Wayne's brothers, whoever it was.

He bought guns out on him? No, no. All this people would come through. Pay homage. They would come through every day to pay homage to Richard. And it's before he really got sick. So it's like, you know, we would just sit up. He was on his way to being sick.

He was coming to pay homage. Or he was coming to pay homage. They were coming to pay homage because... This is Richard Price. You just want to be around with your pride. If you want to be a comedian, you want to be around Richard Price. And so we were just sit and chop it up and he was just, you know, he was just telling me... Now, how about that movie?

How about that movie? You should be a part of that movie, Richard. I can't do them all, man. You can do them. I can do them. I would love to. I would love to. I would love to.

Yeah. Yeah. Because he was the ultimate storyteller, and I still take a lot from him as a storyteller in terms of the way that he would bend stuff, been lines, and he would just, you know, he was the storyteller of the streets. If you think about all the stuff, the jokes that you listen to for him, they were really sad stories, some of them. He was like the Donald Goins' economy. Exactly. He was like Donald Goins, the Pimp of Comedy, so he knew how to do that. So when I take a lot from him in terms of like when I tell a story, I just tell stuff that may be a little sad but funny, funny but sad,

you know what I'm saying? Because that's what life is. Life is not just one thing. You know what I mean? We go to movies and say, oh, that's just a comedy. All that movie is just a serious movie. When you watch one of my movies, it's a reflection of life. So, I mean, Richard is an ultimate storyteller to me.

Will we ever have A dope era like that again? Like the 90s cinema Would that ever return? A different way I think we have a different way I think we have a different way I think as long as there's being more voices

That are really uncut and pure And just like You know Not afraid to maybe necessarily offend some people You know what I mean like you know That's what it's about It's not you know I don't think people push it as far as they could push it in terms of

of anything you know now was Empire like your first TV that wasn't your first TV it was my first TV show directing on directed yeah yeah yeah yeah what did you work on TV before prior to Empire I mean I was on TV shows but I never

direct that's the first one I worked on but you know that came about because you know without Empire that would without me there would be no okay I heard the story hold on real talk okay hold on a long on I want to.

Let's hear this. Because hustle and flow. Yeah. You invested in hustle and flow. You paid for the hustle and flow? Wow. And that was Lee Daniels. No.

No. Hustle flows me. Oh, Hustlefoil. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I'm bugging. And you funded it from the get, the whole thing.

The whole thing. So what does Lee Daniels had to do with Huston Flo? Nothing. He had no due. He made Empire. Oh, okay. You got Terrence. You got my veterans from Hustle and Flows.

He got my veterans from Hustle and Flores. I'm Flo to do a TV show. Oh, that's where the relation is. Oh, my God. You know, but we are brothers, you know. That's beautiful. It's beautiful to see us win and celebrate us winning. Like, all of us, as people, it's just, it's about time.

Nothing what this show is about, man. This show ain't about, you know, you could go on certain, you know, internet shows, and you can see negative shit. We just celebrate our people. We drink, we smoke. I was about to ask you to see you going to smoke. But I feel like you got sponsors. No, I don't know sponsors.

I don't know. I don't feel that smoking right now. if I He said He said Later, motherfucker I want to But I really do want to

You're going to You're my friend You can take it You take it man You can take it man I just want to thank you man For being a part of this You know this is just

Like I get again We want to continue to celebrate our culture Our lifestyle Our ways of life And just continue to give back To the community And just have fun doing it It's so much

You know dumb shit happening in the world when people turn on the news and you get sad, I would rather they turn on this and get happy, happy Yonde, you know what I'm saying? You gotta put me in a movie or somewhere. Can I get to roll? I get to roll on anything.

I'm like, crazy. I do whatever. The last time I told you, right? I've been trying to get you in one of your friends. Look, look, look, I get you. I got you. I got to get in one, one. Like, it's just, it's, what's that shit called?

And you, I, M, B, M, D. What is that? IM, D.M. You know I'm a foul Hollywood. I need an I&B and D&B. You don't got one? No, I need more to my list. I'm good.

I want to do East Coast movies. I want to try to play a West Coast crib. No, did you do that hard movie on the West Coast? Oh, I did that. Horrible. Don't bring that a hard movie. Don't you ever watch this. It's called the 7.

Oh, did I just say that? And I played a black guy. I die as soon as the U. They were playing the black guy. They chopped my head off. I fucking didn't chop my head off. That's so black That's so black

A horror movie We don't last in horror movies In real life I think I would survive A horror movie Like if you put me in some scary shit I feel like You know what

I'd rather get shot at though That's a horror movie to me I'd rather get shot at Than a snake chase me Like I got no I got no experience in the snake chase Like I've got shot at before No gut behind the car

Wait All right Get your gold Oh But now if a snake chase me That's not my element I'm gonna just be like wait a minute Oh wow, whoa, wow, wow I'm getting bit

I'm dying If a snake hit me, I'm dying I got no experience with that We gotta make real Reality shows You know how they got like fair factor We gotta make like hood factor They got one

They got a hood fear Do you get shot at? Some hood contact It ain't good if you won't get shot at What is on internet? I don't know it's on cable TV Someone put me on to it It's a little suspect.

We got a little game stuff. Hood something where they do ghost chasing. It's a little crazy. We don't know experience. We don't have a ghost TV. We got a lot of ghosts in the hood. We got a woman named Wanda that wakes up every day and says, Good morning, Vietnam.

That shit is an experience. You know what I'm saying? Like every hood got a crazy person, right? Like, every hood has a crazy person. They're zombie. Now, it's the characters that you write. Is they based on real, characters?

All the time? A lot of them are based on real real especially the hood. Yeah, exactly. There's so many characters in the hood. You know you're right.

There's always a neighborhood of crazy person. There's always, and everybody deals with they crazy. Like, they be like, yeah, that's what she does.

Like, yeah, she just smokes us. And then maybe one, maybe on some days, they're not crazy. And they don't feel like being crazy today. I was like, I don't, you know. And that'd be the people

to give you the best advice and you don't listen to them. Exactly. You know, John. John, man, I can't thank you enough, man. You're such a legend, man. You did so much for this game.

You did so much for hip hop in particular, you always incorporating a hip hop artist. Even you got Method Man and Rebel. Methamethan Rebel. Methus and Rebel right now. And you also got the FX. And Rizzards and Snoparfah. You know, it's a whole lot of stuff going on.

You keep it hip hop incorporated. We appreciate that, man. That's what I do. That's what I do. You're a legend. You're one of the best artists ever, and you keep us alive and there's nothing. And you also was the first person to put a West Coast guy

and an East Coast guy in Higher Learning. Buster. That's cute. Yeah, I don't know if you ever beat that. That was like the first union from the West Coast and East Coast. It was been saying, because where was higher learning at actually at? In L.A. It was in L.A.

Oh, okay. See, we never knew that on the East Coast. So us, we was just, that was neutral. It was like in the Midwest. You got a West Coast thing. East Coast, this is crazy. You didn't know that, right? Yeah, this is my folks.

It's just people I was knowing at the time that, you know. Right. I was like, hey. And I also heard that that's how passionate you are. You like to Adam Sandler. Because Adam Sandler always hired as the same crew. You kind of hire the same crew. I like to put, you know, people I know and work with people I know, you know.

And we just, we make something happen, you know. Is it easier that way when you work with somebody, you know, because you know you can scream on him and you can text later I scream on everybody I scream on everybody you know but I do is I make careers though you know what I'm saying when people work with me

they end up doing other stuff though it's not just a flash in the pan oh yeah get the latest rapper in the movie for a face look whatever like no it's like people do up they end up doing other things you know what I mean that's why I've been trying to get in something for John Singlet's

yeah I'm gonna come out of the socks line I'm gonna just wear it fucking like I'm down with John Singleton. That's my nigga. High five, my brother. Thank you so much. My brother. We good? Anything you want to cover? Eat? They got it all, man. We got it all, right. Yo, man, this has been an honor, man.

You're our first director. The first for drink chance. The first for drink chance. You're the first director. I'll take another one, Goddam. Don't tell us me to have a good time. And now you're going to, he's going to premiere of Rebel, also on FX. What's the name of me?

Rebel is on BT. I know. Rebels on BT, Snowfall's on FX. Snowfall, you didn't talk about Snowfall, you didn't talk about it's the beginning of the whole crack trade in LA. It's about how cocaine

cocaine change. Is that premiere tonight too? No, no. No, no. Snowfall's in summer. Tonight is... What's about ABC? You got on ABC too. No, no. This is A&E.

A&E. Tonight is LA Burning. LA Burning. Yeah, LA is about the rights? Is it the anniversary? Hold on, hold on. Yeah, 25th anniversary. Do you realize how busy he is?

He got another bit. He got another bit. He confused as a bit. Yeah. Yeah, let's make some noise with him. That is busy. Big Berners. It's about the 25th anniversary of the L.A. riots.

Wow. Damn, it's crazy. It's been that long already. This is 25? That's after Rodney King? Yeah, that is Rodney King. That is Rodney King. Oh, where?

What? Rodney King got 25 years ago? That's rare. Yeah, yeah. The verdict. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

So let's break that down for the people real quick, and then we get up out of here. Okay. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's a documentary about what happened and takes it from the street point of view of the people who basically from South Central and the Korean culture and the Latin people who were really scarred by it. My grandparents were in the middle of it. Okay, when you say Korean culture, like the Koreans was rioting too? They were defending their businesses.

They were defending their businesses from being looted. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it was a war. There's a war zone. You know what I mean? Like so, but we got, you know, we got perspectives that no one else has in this documentary. And what was the Latinos saying coming from?

Just, well, the people in the documentary just, they got caught up in it. They got actually, you know, they got hurt by it. You know what I'm saying? But that's what I'm trying to tell you. Like, my grandparents lived in Englewood. And they called me during. the riots. They blood? No, man.

They cute. Everybody in angle with it's blood, right? That's not the truth. No, that's what I'm mixed. And they called me, and they were telling me, they were like, the Latinos are rioting, too. Yeah, exactly. Because it wasn't showing it on TV. They made that riot pretty much a black riot. And they were, my grandparents called me and told me.

There were more Latinos rioting and then the black people were rioting, but they didn't want to show that. And says, I'm not going to front. Since my family's Cuban, they're like, we're not Mexican. So they're like, the Mexicans are rioting. The Mexicans are. But it was like, but it was Mexicans and Al Salvadorians. You know what I mean?

Like people who basically are used to like war situations that were like really going at. Yeah. They were like green like, let's go. Anarchy. You know what I'm saying? They were used to it from their countries. They used to it for war. They grew up in war.

So they were like, hey, you know, I'm going to get my car. I'm going to put it up on a pet boys. I'm going to give me some new tires. I'm going to put the transmission. People were doing transmissions and changing their cars up. You know, we didn't show this in a documentary, but I'm saying, you know, they were doing that. You know what I mean?

Like doing the riot. So, I mean, there's so many different stories to be told within that, man. So many different stories. It was a wild time. It was a wild time. And I know you're not going to tell me this, but I feel like, what is John? What is your next move? My next, what?

Are you making the big pun movie with me? That would be an amazing movie. Oh, God, big pun. Let's make the big pun. Wow, big pun movie. The big pun. I have to all know the whole story. You know what's really funny is?

Because we was rolling at the same time in the 90s. Pun, like, pun had all the bad Puerto Rican dishes. He had the- finest. He had the finest. This big motherfucker had all the finest. I was so jealous.

I can admit that right now, I was so jealous. Oh, yeah. He had gross. And he's 500. He's not fat. He not fat. belly fat. He was his whole

The whole room. And he had three or four of them around him, right? And they were so beautiful. His wife's going to kill me, but don't worry about it. Let's keep me going, John. They were so beautiful like, your face were hurt when you saw them. And we would hang out at Jimmy's Bronx.

We would hang out at Jimmy's Bronx, and it would just be like, it would be girls coming from DR and Puerto Rico big kids speak English that were like models. And every nigga that was a hip-hop. would be at Jimmy's Bronx. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

That's right. You can tell John's a hood nigger. You know, you walk up there, man. You know, I used to walk up there, and Joe would be there, and they'd be like, what you want to eat? It would be like, you would eat, you eat all you can eat, and then you go dance. And it would be Friday night, it was a Friday night, it was a band, and then Saturday was hip-hop.

This thing is know exactly what you're talking about. So, yeah, you know, because I went to all the grinding spots in New York. I lived in New York. I was a guy to grind in. as possible. Yeah. And, you know, like, we would eat, we would drink, and, you know, it was always like, Saturday night, Friday night was the people who were newly immigrated to New York.

The new, because we know English. They just came before. To get a bitch, you had to know some kind of Spanish to get a bitch, right? Yeah, a little bit of Spanish. You had to have a homeboy to be like, hey, listen to me, you know, right? But Saturday night, somebody would always get shot. Outside. The hip-hop night.

We were going to go open. But we were. You go both nights? Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. You got to. You got to ignore that.

You ain't got it to do with us. You ain't got to do with us. So, you never did a Latin movie, right? Huh? You never did a whole Latin movie. It's called a legal tender. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Tango Cajoron, right? Tango Cajoron. I put Tango Cajoron in his first movie, and then they took him off and put him in Fassafiris. That's my brother. Wow. Some brother from Ponce, I think. That's right.

PDR. No, Tengo's from. Lengo's from. Loisa. Loisa. Now, Loisa. No, Lisa. Me and you would be the most light-skinned thing in Loisza.

Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, you'd be like, you know. I produced that down there. I shot that down there. And we were just, you know, it was an Afro Latino movie. I was dead. And you had the other dude in there, the young kid with the Afro. Rick Gonzalez.

Yeah, Rick Gonzalez. That's my man. That's my man. Was he in the basketball movie? Rick, Rick was it? Coach Carter. Coach Carter, yeah. And good actor.

Good actor. Good actor. And I know. because I know you got to go. But how do you actually see talent? Like when people say, like, what is it? Is it when you... It's just my vibe.

It's like, when I vibe with somebody, I've been like, okay, I vibe with them and say, okay, if I can get their original, what's really special about them and the original vibe on camera, out to the world, then the world see what I see. And that's how it goes for me.

I don't know, I can't... That's hell. By the way, that was ever. but I, because I got a friend, right? Sunny. Sunny D.E.T. Sunny D.E.T. is the funniest guy off camera. Off camera, he will roast you.

But the minute you say action, he's froze. Freezer. And I'm like, I mean, he's not that bad. Yeah, you made him like an idiot. That was totally wrong, John. I'm so sorry. But he, it's not the same. Like, it's not the same.

He's not natural. How do you, like, if you were to see that from an actor and you would say, damn, you know, I see you off camera, off camera, you're fucking excellent. But once I say, I spend time off camera pulling it out of people because I've had people like that too. Okay. They're really like, they got that, but they don't, they're nervous, you know, it's like, get out of yourself, you know. What helps you get out of that? What would help, if you was to do that? Is it live reads?

It depends on the person. It depends on the person. Like, are you already hiring them or sending them to, like, a coaching class where they're... A little bit of both. A little bit of both. You know, I coach them and then, you know, and then I have other people work with them, too. You know what I mean? Well, John, man, we robbed you for all your knowledge.

Thank you so much. Yo, we are school. We are blessed. We are honest. I want to tell you you're one of the greatest artists of all time, and that's including everything. All art, period. You were one of the greatest artists of all time. I was very honored.

It's good going on my memory last. And when my boy Trevor told me, y'all got on to do it. I was like, for real? Like, I was so scared. I went, I watched every interview you ever did. I had Google, every... I knew you personally, but I just wanted to appreciate your art. And we did it.

And, man, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate you. It's good to continue to do your thing. And continue to do your thing because we are proud. of what you're doing in cinema and we watch everything and we support everything and we're going to continue to do that. Let's make some noise for motherfucking jolly.

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