Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Kareem “Biggs” Burke | (Ep.113)

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary, Kareem “Biggs” Burke!The legacy of Roc-A-Fella Records runs deep, and few people know the story better than one of its founding members, Kareem “Biggs” Burke.Biggs takes us back to the early days of Roc-A-Fella and the journey that helped turn an independent operation into one of the most influential movements in hip hop. He reflects on his relationships with Jay-Z and Dame Dash, the early grind, and the mindset that helped Roc-A-Fella create a blueprint for independent artists and entrepreneurs.The conversation also dives into Jay-Z’s rise, Kanye West’s emergence, the culture surrounding Roc-A-Fella, and the unforgettable era of luxury, music, fashion, and entrepreneurship that the crew helped define. Biggs also opens up about the business decisions, challenges, and experiences that shaped the label’s legacy.From Cristal and luxury cars to legendary studio sessions and wild stories with hip hop’s biggest names, Biggs brings a perspective few people have ever heard firsthand. It’s history, hustle, brotherhood, and hip hop culture—straight from one of the architects who helped build it. Drink up!Make some noise for Kareem “Biggs” Burke !!! 💐💐💐-Originally published on January 22nd, 2018*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some noise And right now When you think about it And you think about Independent record labels And you think about people who grind it From the bottom

to the top one of the first names you have to think about is Kareem Biggs Hoffa. And the reason why you've got to think about it is because he was the guy on the front line, he was the guy who participated, he was the guy who made sure Rockefeller was Rockefeller,

when Rockefeller needed to be Rockefeller. And if in case you don't understand who I'm talking about, we're talking about Kareem, Biggs, Burke. Make some motherfucking noise. And joining us as well, because I asked him to participate, is Mickey Benson.

In case you guys don't know who Mickey Benson, he managed fat Joe. He managed big pun. And he's still managing iced tea, which means his money is still long. Oh, shit. Let's make the noise for Mickey Benson. Oh, shit. Yeah. So we're going to take it from the top right now.

Right now, uh, drink chance spark. We honor hip hop We represent hip hop And that's what we want to do But the thing about it is One of the illest things I've ever seen in hip hop Was when Rockefeller

Rock or rap The Buggy Eye bends Right Now at this time For people that don't know Because everybody who got money You're probably looking at me And saying the buggy eye bins

You're probably like That's nothing rapping the buggy eye bins Because that's the 430 now But back then The buggy eye was like the GS 400 Lexus Exactly Thing 95 So I just want to take it from that point

What made y'all say Let me take a luxury car Because at this time Like now a E430 It's regular right But back then It was that was the S500 Before the S-Far, 100.

I remember doing it, but it's funny because somebody just told me the story the other day. And what happened was, because that was Dame's car. And then we found out that Foxy Brown had the same car and we started cutting them off. He's like, yo, you got the same car

as Foxy? So, Dave took the car wrapped it, and then we put it in, made it the street team. Oh, man. Foxy. It's going to come. kill me for this. By some reason,

this is going to be a story. I was coming back to you with Fossey, but that's crazy. So, Dave actually had this car, and then he found out that Fox had the car and it was like, because he's a CEO, so he wanted to be a little bit

of a ball for artists. Yeah, yeah, 100%. So that's what pushed him to wrap it? Yeah, so he's like, fucking making the straight team car. Yeah, it's a throwaway. So now big, this is a 100-year rumor, right?

The 100-year rumor. is when Rockefeller got started there was money that was accolated but the actual money that started Rockefeller came from Biggs. Is that true? I've been hearing that same thing man for a long time but

my thing is it don't matter where it came from or who put in equity whether it's sweat equity or whatever it is us three coming together it couldn't have happened any better you know what I'm saying? And plus with us three I think that was the trifect that I made Rockefeller. That is the greatest nigga

Yeah, great answer. Great answer. You can't smile. Good answer. But, Babies, we understand. You just got off parole. Probation. Probation.

Yeah. There's no parole in federal. I'm going to be honest with you. Used to use me as a guinea pig. What? Because you were on... You used to use you as a guinea pig? That's a fact.

He was on probation, correct? Yeah, I was. Back then? And you would stop every two weeks, like the end of the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you would just roll. Oh, big-faced Gary's in the building. Oh, shit.

Hold on, just really. Let big face Gary. Wait, you don't go to Mike. Yo, Mickey, you give him a two minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's something's time to be around, dog. Not, laugh.

Sit down. Sit your monkey-ass dad. My man, big of Leo here. You're all. That's good, baby. What's up, man? What's up, man? I'm doing, man.

Y'all all the niggins done gained up on us? Man, I'm here, man Yo, yo, yo, what's going on? What's up, slime? What's going on? You're a funny dude, man. You snitch. Big said, yo, drink champ.

I said, that's what it was? No, he called me all day. I said, what's going on here, man? You know, I called him to him like, y'all'm going to be up tired. Oh, you're going to come to him? Yeah, no, no. Nah, no, no. He ain't called him since he got that panorama, man.

Biz got the panorama. Came home. About six months, he hit me. It's my boy. He don't play no games. With the coffee seats. I thought he loved me. I come to see you couldn't find him from my brother.

Pan-around. I ain't seen them since. I'm like the Rockerfellas show downtown. We had a good time. He pulled up with a panorama. You know, he came home with his little time. You know, I told him when he went home. Before he went to jail, I said, the word is you broke.

He said, Jay, when I come home, I'm going to show you if I'm broken out. I see him about the source he came home and I pulled up and I pan around with a coffee cake seats. I said, okay. I said, you're not playing no games, man. No, I'm not. Leave that there, man. You get a drink, man. What's going on here?

You're making some of drink, yeah. Make yourself a drink, Gary. Get right. Thanks, sir. Let me just bring y'all both, right? Because both of y'all, like, this is the boss. Not big time. Big time boss, right?

My friend before the boss, though. Okay, you got to relax. No, I'm going to say, that's my friend. I got to say that. Okay, all right. You can be the boss, he's the boss, but he's my friend too, is all I'm saying. I'm respect that. Okay.

Okay, so let's take it from the beginning, right? at first was you guys starting Rockin'Feller before you met Hope because I heard you on the what is it called the white boy shit? Crazy asses. I can't look at that right now. Yeah, the white boy. Yeah, it was a great, it was a great show, man. I forgot their name.

I can't even not. That's sad, man. That's sad. You're a foul. You were just trying to park. You went to number for us. No, no, because, you know. You went to them before.

You went to me. They got you. You went to me. I did that in 1998. But listen, so what you were saying was was that you guys was trying to start a company prior to actually meet in Jay-Z, right? Somewhat, well, not on my end.

My end was just literally what I said. We used to drink every day. Bags didn't care about the music. Bags didn't even know about that shit. Bix was just a young dude with a bunch of fucking money, had all type of cars. Treat them just like hoop-dies. We're hanging out, drinking every day.

So before you revived, Biggs just a minute. that Biggs money started Rockefeller? Well, I have to admit that, yeah. That was some sighing. You can't! You want to be the law? Yeah, he's a boss. Why are the people saying?

But the thing is, I didn't look at Biggs like that, because his big brother was my friend. He named me Big Face, and we all got close. God bless. God bless Bob. Bob, a lot. He taught me everything from the streets on. Biggs was a young man. dude he just had a bunch of fucking money.

I don't want the way it was coming from. Dress like a bum. Would it talk about it? Would it be about it? He had a Honda. When he had money dressed like a bum? Bage just to play us to the left. He was humble. In my line, Bates?

Bays, my line? It's a long time ago, man. When I say Bum, Sims with a white t-shirt, I don't want to go too far. Biggs was into that. He was just doing what he had to do. And he had the green humble leather seats. I said, yeah, what the fuck? He never talked about nothing.

Never told me to drink every night. He acted like nothing. normal biggs. He had an act of alleged with the BBS rim, treat this shit like a hoopty. I used to say, let me get that shit. I just drive that shit for eight days.

He's still an ex-law's car. Your baby, I got your car. So, Biggs, let's take it from the beginning, right? From the beginning, let's just say, allegedly, you were doing your thing on the streets, right? You and Dane, your people's.

What made you say that I'm going to stop what I'm doing and just focus on this part of it? Now, what happened is we had a crew, The Best Out. The Best Out. Yeah. So we got to start for the Best Out. In my mind, I was in the Best Out.

Yeah. I definitely wasn't. But in my mind, I was. Okay. So that's what it was, the Best Out. So Dame left the Best Out earlier because Dary and Dash brought him into the music business. Which is Dan's uncle? No, Dan's cousin.

Stacey's brother. Okay, which is the Dawkins guy with the white guy? No, that's Darren. Okay, I'm Bucking. Yeah. That's Darren. Okay. So he was managing.

Stacey Dash. Yeah. Brother. brother whoa yeah so he was he light skin he got to be light skin yeah he likes to go ahead he was managing um future sound which turned in original flavor he started going to school he said he said he's man in the future i was like no well he went to college he brought he brought dame in to manage original flavor dame got the you know learn a music business like that came back to the block and was like yo right on a 142nd o lenox was like yo we should all do rockefeller you know what i'm saying we

should put this together. We can do a music company. We could do this and that and started talking about all this stuff. Who thought of the name, though? Tone Hooker. Tone Hooker. Yeah, I knew that. So that next day I called him, I was like, yo, unlike what you was talking about. And even though, you know, me and Dame was cool, we became real close friends after that.

We started spending a lot of time together. And after me and Jay, I started supporting, like, on the road and stuff like that, bringing the lifestyle, a champagne and everything. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then that's how we came together. But who was the guy who actually met Jay first? Dane From Clark Oh from Clark

Clark Clark actually was On this podcast I actually said that DJ Clark Kent So I also continue So because Original Flabel

Was signed a Clark's label Oh wow That's the part We never got Yeah So he was like You should deal With this dude

Jay Because this dude You know He in the streets Or whatever And he don't want to stop So The only way that

Jay took his serious Is after me and Dane And then when Dame seen him He noticed he had a pair uptowns on Air Force One's. But why did Jay take it serious after meeting? I mean, you know, and you know how Dame is, right? So Dame is a motive.

Jay can sell water to a well. Yeah, but I'm saying, but he's a genius. Dame's a genius. He's business-minded. He's motivational. He knew the business. So it was perfect. He could be the mouthpiece where Jay didn't need to be the mouthpiece.

So now you guys come together, right? Now, according to Big Face Gary, at first, he wasn't feeling. day, right? He just wasn't talking him, boys would be around. Well, calling to me. Okay. One of the bigs. Biggs right in. He's speaking from someone, I said, I want you

this, because you're a Harlem, nigger, and at this time, like, for people that don't know, early on, I didn't. For the people that don't know, like, I mean, because, you know, we have people from Wisconsin and all type of place to listen to this shit. If you don't know, back then in those days, if you were

on Queens, you stay with people from Queens. 100%. If you was from Harlem, you stay with people from If you were from Brooklyn, stay with you from home. Yeah. I'm Brooklyn. That's why I was important for me to tell you this story. When Dame seen him and seen Jay had on uptowns, that's when he was like, oh, shit, this nigga cool.

Okay. But let me, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to get back to Jay. I'm going to get by the Jay. But here's the thing. Did y'all know that when the Air Force ones came out, we all claimed them every borough? Every borough. Every borough.

I don't know why they stayed uptown. But they were the day. They did that. They were called Queens. They stayed uptown. I don't understand. I think uptown won't relax. You gotta relax.

I just feel like you're gonna. No, you're gonna give me. You give me, you're gonna give me. I won't never take no person. You know, I got a great personality. I'm not gonna let you say anything though. We ain't, me, you ain't doing, we're gonna do that. I'm just saying, okay, I'm gonna let you go.

Okay, so things now. Alright, so, so you're doing your your thing on the streets. Dame comes to you and says he has an artist, right? You haven't met him yet. You meet him. Now, I want to describe that first time you ever walked in.

I think the first time I met Jay was in front of Quar. Because they had a session something like that. Your call, y'all owe me manned money. We go in there thugged out Thursdays every Thursday. Boy, you got to cut me a check. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, bitch.

But that's what I met him at. You met him at Quar. Yeah. Okay, so now describe the situation. Now, we're just an introduction like, yo, this is my man, this is an ad and Jay. So I think at that time I know he was messing with him or managing him at the time. But it was just like we were just going to hang out. So, but I think we probably heard the music before that.

And I was like some of Jay early on music. And, you know, I was like, ah, you know. But it wasn't about me wanting to be a part of it or not. Damn used to play for everybody. But you guys were already Rockefeller. Like you already started me. Not yet. Not yet.

They're fresh out. The best out. The best out. And are there any other artists you're considering to look at? I'm not even in the music business. At all. So this is just you meeting him for the first time. So I've read at an interview somewhere that it was like the fifth record that you came to the studio.

And then after that he was like, I want to be down? No. Okay. And I never said I wanted to be down. So what happened was when I believed in Jado was when he battled DMX. So that's the time. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's the time.

Hold on, babe. You got to sit down. This is so big for the drink chat. Listen, listen. Listen, listen. This is so big on the drink chat. We got to actually focus. Everybody, I don't know.

I don't know. My man, red hat. Everybody, come on. Everybody focus in on this energy. It's big time. Unlock your energy. Unlock your energy, god damn it. Me on.

Okay. So right now, we're in rough rider neighborhood right now, right? This is a whole bunch of roughriders, right? Well, now, we're in the Bronx. We're not in their neighborhood. No, I'm talking about right now. Right, no, we're at right now, right? So now, the battle, I want to, because we had Dane describe this battle.

We had, no, Irv said he wasn't dead. We had, well, we had DMX, actually. Yeah, DMX described this battle. Now, DMX says he didn't lose this battle. We had Irv recently who said, we think an ex lost about but I want you to describe this scene so what happens

because D is you and D is you and Dame cool with D and why? What happened was we was in Goucho's Jim and my man Steve Mac and Dan Chalchon's Jim they cut me I was on 18 they cut me early I'm so sorry

I still got personal with the coach All of us you know We used to always argue about whatever anything all the time So he had the Harlem Knights Who had the Harlem Knights? Steve Mack. Steve Mac, okay.

So Steve Mac knew D&Y. So he was like, yo, let's have a battle. Him and Dame got into it about music. He was like, yo, your dude's just whack, this, and, you know, going back and forth. So they set up the battle, and then we went right after to the Bronx,

to a pool room on, it's like on 100 and something. We're in Webster? No, close to Webster. Okay. It's like 174 for something like that. Okay. So it was the Harlem Knights

against original flavor, but then they had, And then they had another, God of Rich was another dude from Harlem. And then he called D and Y. And then they brought DMX and then Dane brought J. So that's how that got set up like that. Describe what happened. They walked in.

I heard it's 5,000 guns there. It's only 20 people with 5,000 guns. But you don't notice it, right? I'm just saying when you live in that life every day, it's all normal. Okay, okay. So, you know, they're going back and forth and everybody else. And the Harlem Knights is definitely probably... That's pre- Rough Riders.

Harlem Nights. So people that don't know, if you know about Harlem Night, Harlem Nights transformed into Rough Riders. But they said, like, a lot of, like, the L-O-X style came from the Harlem Nights. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Right. And that was a club, Harlem Nights?

No, no. That was a group. That was a gang. That was a group. That was a gang. That was all. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

The way the niggas is a hole-up. It was a group. It was a group. Okay. From 33, 33. Yeah. When, and I forgot that we're doing that. So now they come in and this big icon. Yeah.

Who is DMX and this big icon who is Jay-Z, but they're not icons yet. But I knew DMX prior to that because DMX used to come up town, 145th and just rap in the park all day. When he used to say Kay Solo took his style. He still arrived at that story. To this day, you see DMX, he'd be like, I'll still look for kids on the old. Yeah, you're going to relax.

But yeah, so, it's true. And still, you're crazy, man to fear one of him, crazy, on him. You gotta relax. You understand him, you know, he's my brother. So that's what happened. So, now what happens?

Because they don't know each other, right? No. So it's in a pool hall, you said? Yeah, it's in a pool hall. So I don't remember, like, you know, what happened led up to it, how they arranged who was going again, too. But Damon, I mean, Jay went against DMX.

They was going back and forth. And then the funny thing, Bigel was the only one recording everything. So that recording that y'all see, like, here and there, all came from Bigel, but Y was like, yo, I should ain't incorporated, and nothing like that, yo, don't tape us. So that's why the only footage is on Jay. So the thing about it is, we had Irv here. And Irv said, no, first of all,

forget us having Irv. We had DMX here. And we asked DMX. We said, yo, who won that battle? DMX said he never lost a battle. Then I seen an interview with Jay, Jay said he never lost the battle. But the thing about it was,

we had just had Irv here. And we asked Irv, and then Irv said, that's the only time I ever heard DMX say, I think the people thought I lost. He never admitted that he lost. So how did you feel, in your opinion? So that's when I became a believer with Jay. Oh, with Jay?

Yeah. So I was neutral. Is there a lot of people in the pool? Because Steve Mac is my man and Dame is my man. So I wasn't there favoring nobody. It was at that battle and I was like, yo, this dude, Jay is nice. And he started talking about the streets, right? My money machine go, that, tat, tat, tat, tat, ta, dot, tat, da.

And he wasn't, right? A little bit, but not, you know what I'm saying? But are people reacting? People are going crazy. There's a lot of people in the spot? X was going on. X was going crazy. I mean, both of them.

It was like 1A and 1B, but I gave, you know what I mean, me? I gave Jay the nod, but I'm just saying if somebody said X, you wouldn't be mad. I'm just saying it was that close. You know what I'm saying? You need to drink, though, bitch. Honestly. You got to drink something. What are you drinking?

No, no, no. Begible. You got me the only person. Champagne. With the tagabon. What the tagabon? We got it. We got it.

We got a special house blend. Lodgy? That's a nice. That's the special. All right here. That's around the world? Around the world. Basically.

I got to work up tomorrow. I'll take y'all time, man. That looks like a take time. This is what I want to get into. This is what I want to get into. Listen. Hey, O'Haz, hold up real quick, man. We got to talk about the homie, you know, a drink champs alumni, a friend of the show.

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Listen, why I got the tool? Let me tell you something. I've been in this game since 1997, right? And since 1997, I have never seen people have more fun, celebrate more life. Indulge in the culture more than Rockefeller Records. Like, you guys birth people, you guys gave people life,

You guys gave people jobs. A blueprint? You gave people the blueprint. Like everybody that's trying to be independent right now are they basing it on you guys. So what made you guys even want to be independent? Like, I think that was just the mindset. What happened?

They got, Damon Jay was trying to get a deal before that, kept getting turned down. So that's what led them to want to do something, you know what I'm saying, themselves. So they came to me. It was like, yo, do you want to do you want like, you know, put this together with us, you know. So, you know, it was an offer they couldn't refuse

and, you know, we put it together. I don't be rude, you just try to be humble. I remember something. You gotta speak to the mic, brother. I remember something that was very disrespectful. What, right? We were drinking everyday, Southern comfort, mean, big, this is my drink upon.

Big time drinker. Okay. One of the best one of the dead. Right. They want one of the best. He almost killed your man. He almost killed Down Leasy. We did he was dead.

We get it to relax. Okay, okay. Okay, well, we go out too far. They went to live records and Steve Rifkin said Jay's not our type of rapper. Steve Rifkin?

Yes. Based on the lowest they fucking mind They said We're tired of this shit and they went and put their own paper up and Steve Rifkin

Who's laughing now? Before free? Okay so let me ask you Let me ask you this Because I heard this story I heard the Zack story Listen Big Face I heard the exact story

you just said But were you involved in that picture When they broke it to Steve Rifkin? I went to Steve But I think at that time When we went to Steve we was trying to hire

him for promotions So what was the attitude to say We was trying to hire him We was trying to hire Kavlows You know what I'm saying So the attitude to say Fuck everybody was because people didn't Just gravitate to you?

Yeah to them So they had those meetings prior And then they came to you And then I want you to describe Because I don't want you describe things that you Yeah but I'm saying At that time I was with them Supporting the videos and everything

So before that Obviously we did St. Thomas right So we went down there You know Emory bought the island out of champagne. So describe that, bitch. You can't just say that like that. I mean, he bought. Actually, what happened? You see what's the type of champagne we got out of here?

Nobody got this in the America. But what happened is, he bought the whole island out of Chris Allen and Don P. So that's why we had Moe. The whole island. In the video. So we had the boats and all that shit, you know. He's a whole island.

He's saged like it's a mammal. I know he's crazy. I just stayed out of him. All peeing and Chris, though. I was not. No, but did you hear what he said before? They went to hire Steve Rifkin and Kevin Liles to hire them. Okay, first of all, in case people don't know if you're just tuning in, Kevin Lows is the president.

Steve Rifkin is the president and you guys wanted to hire him. Kev talked about it. He said, yeah, they gave me a paper bag and I was like, yo, I can't take this. He's like, yo, we need some spins. I describe that mentality, right? All right, cool. We know we're on the streets. We don't get into what's happening in the streets.

But when they come to you, you're saying Dame and Jay already had this popping, right? They already had this going. They had this. They had the name. Rockefeller. Tone Hooker. Yeah. Okay.

So they come to you and they say, what? He was like, yo, let's do this together. Because you had the business mind? At that time, we was hanging together probably every day. for like a year and a half. So this is, in my lifetime, is already out. I can't get with that. This is probably right after.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm in jail, okay, continue. I'm four years old. You got to relax. In my lifetime and my lifetime remix. In my lifetime, which is the one that most people heard. Yeah, but the remix, you know, we did the, we came back into the video here for the remix.

It was right after that that we put it together and then the first, forgot the first song that we, I don't even remember the first song we might have put out. So, so now, it was right after in my lifetime remix though. Now Biggs, I know you personally. Like to me and all of my niggas, you, I close my eyes. all of my niggas was like no one we love eggs right and this is it's the thing is you've never been industry lies like you've never been like you made all the money in home and you were still as hood as ever loved it how the fuck do you do that like how do you make all the money in the world like I remember one time I came to your crib and you was hitting me on I didn't even see you He was just buzzing me in.

Yo, Norrie, you good? It's weed downstairs. Like, that's how rich. I'm like, yo, babies, I'm good. You know, the bathroom's open. You know, he talked to me to a loudstom. He's God talking to you. You have some tissue about to cry.

Don't cry. Don't cry yet, because I got some shit. I got some shit. I got some shit. How did you never? Like, I mean, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, I'm going to be honest with you. Not only that.

You know, you invited me to my career. Like, my second date I ever have my wife is at your house. Wow, that's crazy. It was not much. Yeah. You remember? Like, I came through. I was like, big, you don't like none of them?

He was like, no, your girl is the only one that's cute. I was like, damn, man, man. I thought the other business was bad. Big shut me down. He was like, no, oh, you girl, I'm good. Can't let me eat cookies. But, swear to go. Swear to go.

I just had come to the biggest house almost every. Keep it real. There's no pictures. There's none of that. But how do you maintain your sanity? Like, especially, like, not now. I'm talking about back then. You know, it was getting so much money.

It was so ridiculous. I remember one time, y'all just told me to come to Amsterdam for no reason. It was just, you really brought heroin. We was out there. We got to relax. I'm sorry. Let me come about all the good times. I'm sorry.

No, we're going to get into it. You're going to get into it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But let's just maintain your sanity. Your sanity. For us. I've never seen you go crazy. Coming into the game doing well.

So it wasn't much that changed. You know what I'm saying? So obviously it was checks instead, right? So, you know what I mean? The way you got money changed. But it wasn't that much of a change where you know what I mean you really had to change who you are you know what I mean

now big face Gary how you doing sir I'm just living man I'm good man What are you drinking? Sarrock and salsa water Let's talk about that puff daddy story Pop Daddy told you he don't drink with the help Yeah he disrespected me big time Oh what happened

It's me, Biggs, dang went L.A. All of us I ain't known about the music I just came out of jail Biggs of them was like I was making $250 a week delivering food to a shelter I was hanging with them. Not UBS. No, shelter.

I was working for, I was hanging with names for six and more the day. They said, what do you make a week? I said, $2.50.

They said, okay, fuck the niggas. I'm going to pay you $30 grand a year just to hang with us. You learn the business you're going to get a lot more money. Man, I said,

fuck the niggas. I have with the niggas every day. All I do was drink and snap. Okay, so now I want you to tell me because I listen, you know,

I listen, it's the rail? It's the rail? It's the rets the rills. I'm so bad, man. I listened to it because I had missed you, and then I, you know, I always, you know, I love y'all niggas. Like, Rockefeller y'all was my extended family.

So what was your first memory of Jay-Z? Come on, you could mix it. You could get, like, orange juice or something. Dang on, I'm not just here. I feel like you're going to go down. Well, the first, my memory of Rockefeller is, like I said. It's not Armadale. I'm just throwing it on.

I'm good. I'm okay. Mean bigs every day. Like I said, bays was ridiculous. We just drink every. Every day, call me 12 o'clock. We drink from 12 in the afternoon to literally the next morning. We didn't stop.

Damn, music. Biggs ain't talk about music. We're pushing this Ranger over, no gas. Rain, this is running the gas on the regular. We push us a raise on, we're laughing. Mike Boone. You know what? I bought a brand-new beds and my shit cut out on me.

So, Mike, these things, they didn't even laugh. I understand. So, my biggest was, You know what I mean, man. Give me something to work. My biggest memory of Jay, honestly, two. I got two. Let me give you two. One of the ones was one night, we're always drunk.

Biggs ain't full out of driving, no one fell out. So I played over a lot and said I gotta do something. Jay parked at a high drink, his GS-300, his shit got towed. So he didn't know. So I got caught out to drive Jay home. Biggs and laughed, I drove him home. So I said, Jay, you're hype. You hype.

This month, I put, he said putting anything on. Yo, Norrie. I drove him from my block to State Street in Brooklyn. That motherfucker hit me with so much rind. See how big my face was? It was skinny like his, man. He killed that. When you see what's saying shit, they make no sense.

I said, what the fuck you're just saying? And this is Jay-Z. Jay-Z, no deal, no nothing. I'm not talking about what he had on him. It's over. He was Jay-Z. He had MPV with BBSs. I thought I had a Maserati.

Biggs had a bunch of, you know Sorry, but I'm not pulling out there Bays had range rovers, legends Hump, hoops these to him And you're in what kind of car? MPV with BBS WRIMS Bristol Beachball No, no, listen, this, come on.

In case anybody want to judge this man? Four-wheel drive. MPV was that shit at the time. MPV was like a suburban. Thank you, no, thank you. I was doing okay, boy. Not like them, I was in this,

I'm not going to lie. I did my time, I was in the streets back then. No way to live with my brothers, but I did okay for myself. But anyway, so I drove Jay home. He was saying shit that I called Biggs the next day. I said, yo, Jay, this nigga, Karan. I told you.

You said, Jay or you said, Biggs? I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. That's Biggs. That's when Biggs is down. He's infested.

I said, Biggs is ridiculous. I told you, Gary. I told you. Because let me just say something about Biggs. It's so hard to get Biggs to get him down with something? No, he's so laid back at it. That's the stuff. But once you get him down?

He's with you all the way. He'll stop the call. That's what I knew. Listen, Biggs always say, I never signed the contract. Yeah, definitely slime.

Hold on, hold on, everybody paid attention. Please, everybody was so rich. I was begging them. I was like, give me a contract.

That niggas was like, we'll sit it to you Thursday. I'm blacking them out here. Let me sign the contract. We'll send it to you Monday. That's how. That's how. But let me just say you something, Biggs.

I remember, and I tell my people this all the time, you had an African driver. Forget his name. A-too. A-too, my nigga. And every two weeks, just out the blue, Artu would just store in my house. And I'd be like, yo, I'd come outside and then Biggs would call me.

He'd be like, I can smell it from here. I'm like, yo, Bigg, what are you talking about? Like, you're smoking haze. You think a hailed me smoking hayes. And this is, Hayes is lit at the time. He's like, motherfucker, look at outside. This guy was just reading it with a cookie jar full of weed. And we're like, Big Sydney for you.

And I was like, yo, the thing about Biggs was, because when I say Biggs is the best CEO and I start with that story, sometimes people think I'm basing it off because you gave me weed or you gave me The thing about it was I would come into you

with logical shit Yeah And you always approved Every budget I just had to come with something logical Yeah Thank you

Do you think the black CEO Is not existing no more Because of that? I don't know I don't think That a lot of other CEOs Today believe in the artist The way we did

You know because with us it was more relationship. It wasn't just about the business. We cared about what was going on in every artist's personal life. If you was going through something, if you was going something with your kid, if you got through, gotten a problem on your block, we had to move people, you know what I mean,

send them out of town on this. We was more invested than just from the business standpoint. Yeah, that was official. Yeah? No, they was dead for that. What? No, he just made a good point. He made a good point.

I remember when I was working for Rockville, the dames to pick on me. I was a mama's boy. I didn't want to leave my mama. I didn't want to leave my mama. I got a couple of women. I'm living life. Naisie. You, you're with your mom? You, you're a bum-ass, digger.

I live with your mom. I said, I'm back and forth. I'm not going to say what he did. And much Dane got his ways. I will say this Dame. He cut me a check to get your own crib, nigga. I remember one day, me and Dane, we was in Dane crib, and we got in your car.

We both got a rat. Yeah, he did me up. That's my caddy, yeah, you're heating me up a little bit. But you know what, that's all right, though. You're like that. I can take a ball out, though. No, you're not saying somebody. I can take a great job.

He ain't got in the street. I'm getting a rap. But you know what? But you know what? You know what you got? You know, rich. You don't say stuff on me. I did okay for myself.

Your love was another love with me. I'm just happy that we're friends. You know, we good. But Biggs, man, let me tell you again. I got another story, right? We're in the studio. We're in the studio. Tom Hooker, who named Rock.

fella. Drunk as a skunk with that Can I live? He had a verse. Can I live? Can me get the verse right. Oh, Tone Hooker had the verse? That's my favorite record of all time. That's him on the hook. That's my favorite record of all time. Biggs him. He was drunk as a skunk. Jay don't write. Biggs said you, dang it, you pissing me off. You're embarrassed me.

J. writes something, Jay. Jay wrote some shit. I don't know what they're Russian. Biggs is no. This is my verse. He rushed. Can I live? Tone was drunk. I'm saying J wrote, because you say. No, can I live was J. record, but we gave a Tohooka verse. But Tungo was filthy drunk.

And Dan couldn't take it no more. So he said, Jay got to write the verse. I can't take this show no more. Jay wrote some shit looking like Russian. You know Jay don't write. We don't release our cars. We buy them, as you should. My confederate did they explode.

Yo, yo, yo. On the sedentation. Am I line, Bates? He wrote that verse. I was like, oh my God. Tone, I was so drunk. Dane couldn't take it anymore. That's when Jay wrote that verse, man.

And he was rushed. We don't release. He wrote, yo, he didn't have six minutes. Actually, that was my line. We don't least we buy cars What's Biggs? I'm gonna say this

I hate that big because me Biggs has got a personal friendship He's a little cocky But he's right A lot of shit was written Was through Biggs Man, I'm not gonna name it

Biggs Biggs's real rude Because Biggs Because Biggs ain't gonna say But I'm gonna talk for Ben That's my mouth That's my man

So I'm gonna You say it was Biggs Money that started Rockapella from the beginning No everybody know That you gotta know that I'm gonna know that I'm chicken bottles

Of champagne Our fans didn't know You know I'm in country club Chicken bottles of champagne You know You know now you know Yo, I'm checking bottles of champagne as big as cream I'll do with your ball.

I'm walking into the club. Big said, Big Faith, we good here. Buckets. Listen, I'm not making this up. Bottles that's high, I've known them, make them shit. Yeah, they don't make them no more. Biggs is sitting there. It's like handcuffed bracelets.

It was like handcuffs right there. Handcuffs. Oh, shit. Deep. So we laying in low, we're talking, shake, drinking, laughing. Literally, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Big said BigFa, you ain't got worried about nothing. We good.

The mic. Oh, sorry, I'm sorry. We ain't got to worry about nothing. We're going to live. Yo, the big, big country club, big bottles of champagne, all type of shit. It was just ridiculous. But, like I said, that memory when Jay wrote that gibberish, I know what the shit was. But that was Tony Hooker's verse, man.

That's my favorite record Jay did it all time. Can I live? I love that record. So now, look, you guys are both for all of them. You meet this guy from Brooklyn, right? Now you're a believer. Right? Yeah.

Now, you're believing. You're one of the foot soldiers. No disrespect. It's not disrespect, it's okay to be a foot soldier. You're one of the foot soldiers. So what makes y'all say, let's go full-flesh on this whole project?

Was it, was it a single record, or was it just? No, I don't think, I don't even think we had that many songs. Because traditionally, I apologize for cut you off. Traditionally, back then, if you're from Queens, you stay with Queens people.

From Brooklyn, you stay with Brooklyn. I mean, we were passed out of Ray. Mama, at this time, we were already friends for two years. You and Jay? Yeah. Okay, continue. Yeah, so when they said to do it,

this is after in my lifetime and the remix. So at this time, I'm a believer. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when we put it together, we put the reasonable doubt album together. I'm not sure. I think maybe coming to age,

coming to age is the oldest song on the album. Oh, that was crazy. Because him and, you know, they did that with Clark prior. All the clock songs. And what's the other shit? In my lifetime. 22-2s.

I mean, obviously, because he used to perform that all the time. That's my shit, right. And Cashman Thoughts. Those are the three oldest songs. That was random. That was random. Oh, I'll think you meant Elvis Presby. No.

It was our driver. It was our driver in Atlanta. Biggs them put them on. We put Rockfall on the place in a white limo, and we destroyed Jack the rapper, for the whole weekend. Shout out to Kenny Burns. Kenny Burns.

We dominated that weekend. Dominate. With Jack the rapper? What? Bigs called... Let's talk about it because nobody in this park has ever talked about Jack.

That's how cool. I know Jack the American. Talk to our mic. Bigs called the meeting. Dave. I'm sorry, yeah. Move up. Don't smoke some weed?

No, I'm smoke weed. I'll drink all there with you. I'll drink all there. You know what I do. You know what I'm going to do. We're in motherfuckuckuckers. Slime. Slime.

Slom. Slom. You must stop. I'm here, man. This big figgety gallery. You ever been the sting race? The owner's my man. Owners my man.

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They said, we go to Atlanta. We gain jackets, and we get rooms, we're going to chip in and we're going to play hard. A freakneck. We all put in, if it was Mississippi, the Biggs and put the rest up.

We all had jackets. We all look fresh. We went Biggs and I ran into the limo. We put Rockett. Did you have the Rockefeller buggy at that time? We had the Rockefeller plates on a limo. Damn. No buggy.

No. We went to some part, Biggs, I don't know the party. Jay was real, you know, Jay Rom, how he talked. Man, we went to a party and passed no mind. Jay flipped the table over. Am I mind, baby?

I don't know you told him. Remember they flipped the table over? Yo, Jay started rapping and I was like, yo, the people was like, who is this motherfucker? But this shit was so hot. People was like,

oh, what the fuck? You know, you do the Soul Train line? We were a hollering, we're a dancer. You know, it took Jane nine minutes ago through that line. He rapped like he's, he like this. Get through the line,

dick. He literally, that's how he doing. He's just so quiet. and smooth, we went to Jack the Rabbit, we had a ball, man. And that's when I said big, this shit really going to happen, man. Okay, so let me ask you both, right? Because both of y'all describing, you know, both of your own experiences, which is so awesome, right?

But when individually did you really know Jay was special? Because the thing about it is, I don't give a fault, this is my nephew right here. I think he's special. Maybe I think he's special because he's my nephew. Maybe I think he's special because he's my nephew. I don't know. But I would have to find out years down the line. Right? So when was the moment for you guys?

I told you the battle. It was for me. The battle with DMX. Yeah. Now, Dee, you was there? Which one? There was only one battle in the Bronx. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come over here, Dee. Ah, yeah. Give me a chair. I'll leave where you at. No, I'm in a pool table.

Yeah, yeah. Got your chair. Right here. This is the turn there's some real good things. Okay. Yeah. Deep from motherfucking Rough riders is here. We got to see.

I'm sorry, Biggs, you got to share the mic. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah. So, describe this battle. Because we heard, we heard from Dane. Irv, we heard from Irv, but Irv said he wasn't there, correct?

We heard from Lear. No, Lear said he wasn't there, Lee. Lear wasn't there. But we heard from pretty much. There's a couple people that's talking about it. Come of the people that's talk about this battle. So I would love to hear. Dee from Rough Riders described this moment.

It was in the Bronx, if I remember. It was... At a pool, yeah, it was in the pool or in the Bronx. It was... Yeah, like, off Webster, like, one of some of the third. Now, you guys was cool, or you guys... Between Webster and Washington. You guys was all right.

You guys were good with everybody. We're good. Right, right. I think it was good, me. So what happened? How did they put these two? So like I said, we didn't know D and Y, but we knew Steve Mack, and Steve Mack was they mentioned. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Mack from my building, one of my buildings on Broadway and Harlem, so I knew Mack. It wasn't even a battle for X. Yeah. It was a battle for, I think it was Harlem Knights. There's somebody else, right? Original flavor. Original flavor.

So it wasn't even supposed to be Hove of the X. They just happened to be it. Yeah, exactly. So they was battling it. And then X was over here, and I guess Hove was over there. And they was battling, the two other people was battle. I don't know who they was battling, but I don't know, Mack and them had some people battling. Yeah.

So they was there, and it wasn't really doing much. And then, I guess, X got on the table, or Hove got on the table, then we put them both on the table, and then they started battling from there. Okay, that's what happened. X got on the table first. Yeah, yeah. So, Dee, who won that battle, in your opinion? That battle, you really can't say nobody won, because they both,

was good, so I gave it like, yeah. Everybody. Like, when you hear it on both sides, people like, it was a tough battle. I mean, you know what I mean? Everybody kind of giving it up. Ain't nobody like, yo, this was the clear, this, and that. But if anybody

on that side say DMX-1, you ain't mad. If anybody on this side saying, Jay, why, you ain't mad. It was that close. Like, sorry. Yeah, it was tight, like, it was a battle where you had to give it up for both sides. And plus, it was an experience for X as well as Holt

because they both had different styles and energy so they learned off each other so that's what made it the whole world in this way and X-Rom that way he was like oh shit he learned something from X whole part learned something from him and they both had two unique styles and nobody really wanted

it was just like a draw but we just had Irv Gotti on right and it came out tonight what's the night Dave? Thursday. The second. The second.

The second. The second. November 2nd. November 2nd. And Irv said, this is the only battle where DMX felt like he won, but he felt like the people chose Jay.

Do you think Irv is correct in the statement? I don't think nobody chose anybody. It wasn't even like that. It was just like... And Irv also said that. They rhymed and he left after that. And that's what made DMX mad at him. That's what it Irv said, right?

Yeah. I'm correct. This is not my word. I don't really know who stayed a left, but we was there. It was actually somebody got on at the end. Some dude that was real nice. I don't know if you remember. Some guy from the crowd or whatever, he jumped on the table, super nice.

And he just, like, kicked a verse, and then that was it. And everybody was going crazy. Nobody ever remembers him. Nah. He got a relaxed. What? He remembers him. Every time DMX got on,

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So, wait, but does, at any point in this type of battle, is it aggressive? It's just lyrics. It's just rhyming. Yeah, it's just rhyming. Or the crews ever getting aggressive. I mean, I think, yeah, somebody pulled out a gun one time,

but it was a part of the verse. No, it was a part of the verse. So he said, Guns is gonna come out back there. Okay, okay. So now your brothers, now your brothers have this battle, right? With the Ramo without the Ramon. Your brothers had this battle, right?

Now years later, right? You guys are both on death yet. You guys are both platinum artists, and then you guys do this tour. What was the name of the tour? Was it the Hardin' Life Tour? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

DMX on there as well. And then DMX, and I think Hull was sharing the closing. I'm not sure. You can correct me if I'm wrong. And then it was like red and math in the beginning. Yeah. And then it was like Memphis Bleak. And then it's the famous shit where Def Jam bought somebody a jacket.

What are they bought? Can't laugh. Meep Bleak. Yeah. Bleak can't answer my cause and stuff. Drop the Ur-Gardi drop. So sorry. It was Earth.

It wasn't me. But let me just give me on. But you guys have this tour. This was the first hip-hop tour, no violence, correct? Yeah. Sold out shows. I only went to one show, tell you the truth.

Yeah, I don't know what you guys have been. Been a little shit. I was on the block, man, war. Yeah, see you. Belling the other black drinking, chill. I was in the block with one. I don't need a, but I'm going to do that. Okay.

I'm shocked. I need you to describe that tour because that tour single-handedly was the tour that helped set hip-hop back. Wasn't the Hard-N-Life tour? No, it wasn't Hard-Lung.

What was the name of that tour? Survivor. It's not Survivor. It was the... I was on Survivor. Hard-N-N-O-R-N-R-R-ROTters. The Rough Riders. It's Rough Riders.

I think it was a hard-knock. It was a hard-knit. It was a hard-nob together. Cash money, cash money, that was on a hard-knock. So now, let's just stop me if I'm wrong. Deep, all big. It was J, DMX, and then meth and red prior to that.

Isn't it not the hard knock like? Yeah. It's all up? Yeah. I'm not like to my Google it. Because I'm Googling it has.

How's Google it? So So how's you not Googling? Yeah. So Dee, how was that? Because y'all actually Irv, we also had

Erd, I'm sorry. Because Irv gave it so much. Yeah. So Irv said Lear played all three of the crews, meaning he played murdering.

He made Murder Inc. Happy for one point. Then he came and married Rockefeller happy. He was hot. And then he came and made Rough Riders happy. And then

he said, this is Irves' exact words. We could actually, he said, He played us like a fit to. Playing y'all against him. Do you think we all did that? I don't,

no, they all definitely make us feel any way against anybody else. I mean, you know, Dame would have handled that. How about you? No, we're just good.

We're always good. We don't look at shit like that. So we're sitting on the Irv right now. No, no, Erf for me is. My, that might have been with Erd. A problem for me is definitely not a problem for me. Different type of problem. Yeah.

So is this a case, y'all didn't see Irv got the interview this on Thursday. It's all right now. Don't let out. We don't know when we're doing this out. But 10m. In case you didn't see it, it came out already. It came out already.

In case you didn't see on Draycham.com. Now, Big Face Gary. What's up, son? Now, Big Face Gary. My brother. You were the number one soldier of Rockafel. Yeah, I love them boys. I love them.

I love them. You still love them. Do I? Yeah. I have different, like, I love Dane. What was your most difficult part of working for Rockafel? Dane mood swings, man. He was going through personal shit.

I didn't know what it was, I'm going to be honest. He just snapped. I used to hang out, rest in peace, big brother. He got in your car and he got a rash? No, no, I went about that shit. Well, I remember that, but, you know, whatever I thought I had. Well, I was the big, big brother was my man. I look up, he put me in Harlem, so everything you know.

God bless. God bless. He just never talked to me crazy. Since I started working for him, he named Luca Brasi, which is a good thing. Because that means everything he asked me to I got done. That's what's what I suck. But then, I don't know what Dan's personal issues, I will never know him. But he started getting real nasty for no reason.

But now that I'm 47 since 10 years, 12 years later, I know what it was. It was the personal thing he was going through. But I'll say this on this mic. I loved you, Dane. You put me on, Biggs put me on. Dane, you put me on, Biggs put me on. If you had just told me just going through. You don't like Jay?

Oh, Jay. I don't even talk about Jay. That's my nigga. I love Jay. Come on. No, no, no. No, no. But I, hey, I don't know.

Biggs. That's funny you said that. The big picture. I always said, me, Jay. I got a big story for me and Jay. I'm sorry I'll give a story Jay in a minute

you know one knows this story but Biggs got me on I love that but my point is I love Dame and Biggs so much but I love Biggs because Biggs brother was my man and Biggs put me on to the A&R game talking about the ANR projects

then Dame put me to the game but the problem with Dame my opinion was he was going through a lot personally because I know he's a Kahuna everything's on him so I'm like I love Dan so when you pull me to the side

you're going through something just don't yell at me and curse me out because you I don't care if you do, but tell me, I'll take that shit. But if you don't know that's coming as a man, you feel like you're going to belittle. Yo, gee, I'm fucked up, I'm going through something. This shit is driving me crazy.

All right, but, nigger, let it all out on me. Because I'm with you, niggas. You put me on. My life changed around. I'm fucking with you. I was getting meetings getting three, four grand. Fucking with damn. And just 20 minutes, I got four grand in my pocket.

You're getting way too deep. Let's wait for that. Now, stop. Now, back, what I'm saying, my point is. No, no, but I'm asking you're asking. That's right. I'm sorry. I'm not going to get me, no, I don't care.

I take all that shit. But my point was, I don't smoke, motherfucker. I'm just trying, too. I don't smoke, too. I don't smoke. Yeah, but the point I was trying to make was that, that was crazy for me, because they changed my life around. Bumby, I have two rapper friends in my life who's always my friend.

Norby said, Gary, I don't give a fuck about rap when it comes to you. You're my friend. And Bumby said the same thing. Norby said, Gary, there's more than Rockefeller. You know, you embarrassed me to say that? No, let me tell you something. One day, one day, one day, the nigg is a nigga He killed me.

You know, listen, one day the nigga came to my studio, he couldn't have a conversation if Rockefeller wasn't involved. I was like, you know, the Yankees in the World Series, he was like, yeah. We're trying to perform in the next week. Yo, you know, the nixies kicking out. Jay wearing that one of you here, right?

Yeah, yeah. You know what? You know what? You know what? Coming from what I went from, going to jail and come home and see what we had, You understand my pain, man. No, it's beautiful.

Those are my brother. Now, it was a beautiful sense of loyit. Now I got a big story now. Don't say nothing now. Me over and say, your show, you relax. You'll heat me up and give you a story. I'm unamborris. I won't win the battle, but with speed, that's when Nas came off getting over there.

It was jokes, Nass. Jay shit was real. We go to, Jay, go to, Jay put up a million dollars and said, you put up a verse, I put a verse. Whoever won't get a million dollars. Nass said he can't afford it. Want to speed that night Jake literally said

Big Face He did a show for free I did a show for free He did a show for free He did a show for free He said Big Face I want you to come with me Because it was all there everybody

Don't let nobody Take my hat I heard you say this story Slom I did that Taking Jay hat Yeah all the time Every show we did

It didn't matter He said only him to take my hat We did the show and speed It was for free He said yo big face He text me We had two ways Some silver shit.

You're good for the game. The game needs you. I'll never forget that text, man. But they were taking his hat. I'm a regular. Jay's icon, man. That's what it happens, man. It's a superstar.

He's a superstar. You're still in his fitness. Yeah, like, you're still in my towels. It's so smart. My thing is what I'm saying is, you said all I knew is Rockefeller. I go from making $250. I was in jail.

Came home from doing $250 a week to make you to hang out with them and joke and get snapped on. that we snapped back to make a 70 grand a week. So if they look at Biggs, I get three grand, if they say hello to Dame, I get five grand. Why would not love them? No, nobody never said to you love them.

I just knew that you didn't know a life outside of it. That was your name. That was the name. That was the name. So how bad was it when Rockefeller closed? I walked in one day. People were crying. I named no name, people were crying.

I said, what the fuck you're crying for? I gave my mind. Dame, Dame said it's over. Maybe that's last job. You gotta relax. Well, you ask me a question. What the fuck I didn't do? No, no, relax.

So you walk in the office? Literally, walking off, literally. You come into work. Regular work. I'm ready to work. Get my money, do what I do. And then, people are crying. You walk in and she's being crying.

Rest in peace, call him. That's Dan's uncle. He died. God bless him. God bless him. I said, come away the crime. The label's over, Gary. Ain't nothing left.

Ain't nothing left. What did you say? I was, I was a Joker first. I said, ain't not left. It's over, Gary. Do you even know where I'm going to corporate shit? My niggas got hundreds of millions. I'm looking for motherfucking severance.

I'm sorry, babe. You told him about DDMG, not Rockefeller felt. Yeah, that's what I just said. I just said that. Didn't I just said? That was the last thing. I just said, dang that music group, basically. I just said that.

Yeah, I remember I walked in the office and I see Big Face Gary. I said Dame Das Music Group. I said that, Bakes, you didn't hear me. And I said, there's none here. And then I was like, wow, people are crying. And I was mean, Dames started arguing. They ain't want to fight. I went to fight.

And it was so funny, Bies was there that day. Bees took me to Philly for a week because I went to fight. I was so, you know. I'm going to go back to Bay. But I also seen, I came to your house. I came to Beanie Siegel House and he sick that alligator on you. It was right. I was trying to get that fucking verse.

And Norse, you know what, Norrisage said, he wouldn't do it, fuck him, Gene. He wanted to do the radio. He didn't do the radio. Bigs have me. Trying to get a beating single verse. Bigs hamis.

And this nigga, we gotta go to this crib. So I'm like, oh. Biggs. The nigga had an alligator that attacked him crazy. I'm like, yo, I don't need to. I'm good. I'm saying, yo, my nigga, I'm good.

But the hammy mesorized, Luca Brozzi, get it done. So I'm fighting fight and fight. Yo, this my shit, I should have to mock him. I got a shot you, this shit bit me in my stomach. I was like, it's a little but the alligator. I'm like that.

I'm like, yo, you're Lori. I'm gonna get diverse tonight. I'm like, come by. Like that you're gonna, I feel like you got something personal. But that's how much I love Rockefeller. I would do anything for them. No, no, we're gonna end it like that. I got you.

I got you. I love that. I love that. I love that. I've never seen loyalty like, and I never seen loyalty like bays, neither. The thing about it was, I never, this is crazy, like when Shaheen Reed, let's big up Shaheen Reed, big of Rahm, Dukes, is big up a vault TV, they hit me and it was like, yo, you know what?

I think Biggs want to do it tonight, and I'm like, all right, cool. And the reason why I hit you as well, Andy from Rothriders, is because, oh, nature is a little fucking building. God damn, and he got an 89 shirt on. Big of shampoo as well. But at the end of the day, when I look at Big Face Gary, I look at D from Rough Riders, and I look at motherfucking Biggs, I look at probably the most loyal people in the industry. That's real. And when I say that, I say that with the utmost sincerity.

because it was at one point where if I could have came to you and said this artist is doing such and such he would have looked at me and sir winning I would have came in the big

and bigs would have been like I couldn't even came to you this thing couldn't he couldn't see any his vision was rock away yeah let me say one more thing about him I don't think he's going to remember any of this but you know I didn't the streets for all y'all in Miami

I did the death jam I did Rockefeller actually I got a little confused when we had Jim Jones on the pod and I said your name and I said Aunt Liven I got a little confused but I remember now now you talking right now I remember the conference calls when you would jump on

and it was just pure passion like he was just so into what he was talking about and it was just I'm hearing it all over again right now and it just the passion was there it's always been there nah man you got to understand man when you come I'm not going to come from us. I had a good parents. I did well for myself. And you're from Haiti.

I was saying, I said, I said, man. We're not. All right. All right. What I'm saying is just that I'm coming from the street. I did some time in jail. I came home. You gotta say that again.

My friends were up crazy. 20 times. That's head twice, bakes. It's big on them. It's like 40 times. Let's get one. I hate that shit, babe. I want to eat me up.

Bitch on the one with the eat me up. I know. I'm waiting me. I'm gonna talk about it. Big thing. Anyway, all that. What I'm saying is that Roger Fuller was kind of crazy, like I said,

is all I knew. I'm gonna interject for you one second. I'm gonna say one thing. I was in this game. I was getting money, but I did not know how to have fun. Meaning, I knew how to get the money, I knew how to spend it, I just didn't know how to have fun. And it was big.

Now, you knew how to have fun. Got to relax Let me finish my shit He's up And Biggs just look at me And be like Yo, this is real shit This is real shit

I'm not even trying to be funny Biggs just look at me And be like, y'all Because he knew we was having fun Because we was drinking But I didn't know how to display Like I didn't know how to be like To show the world

Like if it was Instagram back then I'd have been finished Yeah Because my grand would have been trash No, this is real shit. I gotta give it to Biggs and Dane. Like, I gotta be, and they honestly, they came to me and was like,

yo, nigger, you're making money, have fun. Right. And they were the first, oh, thank you, thank you. Drink, thank you. That's okay. That's okay. Yeah, put me back. But y'all was the first two people

that, like, you came to me and enforced that to me. Y'all was like, yo, nigger, you're getting money, smile, and have fun, and do what you got to do. So, and I wouldn't really, your artists at that time. This is, like, I was in all your movies. What made y'all? Why you said at that time? I never signed a deal.

Yeah, we're going to do that. Y'all would tell other artists from other places how to move and how to do that. there wasn't other than D, there wasn't no other people that was doing that. Why, why did you even insinuate that? I mean, that's just how he was. You know, we ain't hit on nobody movement, and whatever we did, we tried to bust down the door to make sure that somebody else be able to walk through. So, you know, I mean, when we flying around, we showed, right,

I showed everybody around the world. The thing was you saying you couldn't go to London or something, right? No, I couldn't go to London. You got me a pass. I don't know that. Yeah, that's what I respect that. I said thank you. So you're really having a lot of shit.

You forget a lot of shit. We'll have a lot of. Go, tell us. The food was so terrible. We ate chicken. Remember there was no more chicken left in the hotel? We ain't, yeah, bro, that of that shit.

You're saying the story, way too horrible. You know what? Say the story. Say the story. I don't care how you want to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm being Gary. Okay.

I know the food in London was horrible, and we ate chicken every day. And we were starving one day. We said, we wanted some chicken. They said there's no more chicken. You brought everything out. There's no more chicken in the hotel. Now to die.

Now, tell you, swart. Okay, Big Face is my nigga. This is not how it happened. I can't believe what you. I remember. I had a great memory. You said, we went to go on a crib and eat anyway. We kept going to Damon Biggs crib.

Relax. All right, got him. Shut up. I'm a relaxed. We kept going there, getting drunk with them. In London, you're talking about. And then we kept going back to the hotel. And every time we go back to the hotel was me, you,

being. freeway, mid-pleat, and we ate out all the chicken in the hotel. That's what happened. I missed a park, god damn. You act like my shoes, way off, slime? Yeah, it was way off. You were getting in the whole, but we were drunk. Oh, we never starving on it.

They had a swimming pool in their room. They had a swimming pool. That says ridiculous. In the grid. Very disrespectful. Yeah, very disrespect. Yeah. In London.

In London, with a pool, it was ridiculous. It was ridiculous. They had a swimmer instructor. Yeah. You want to have a swim? Yeah, this is crazy. Like, I've never seen that. Like, I'm a black rack.

We got a pool. Now, they play hard, they play hard, man. There's no instruct. There's no mind. Are you serious about the instructor? My nigger, they had a nigger that you jump in this way. I was like, girl. They had a chef to say, you eat this way.

I said, oh shit. This is, you know what's wrong. That's the boogey, no, this red bag, but you ain't no boojia. That was the rich side. That was the rich side. back to old stuff, it got to what we know. No, we got, but we had a ball.

We appreciated. We did. Yeah, big time. We appreciated. We appreciated when they came out with pastries. I didn't even know what a pastry was. I was like, the chef came out and said, it's the pastries. That's it. God damn. Sorry, we thought Lizzie was dead.

See no, serious, my mother fucking dick. All right, listen, all, let's get to this. Let's get to this. Because I know big just want to get to it. Right. This is what happened. Rockefeller and dugout militiam had a drink all right and drink off what it was ugly I don't know how this happened I felt like we was together but they wanted to separate niggas from from immediately like once it came to drink you gotta break down

this drink off so we're in the crib now Leazy I cannot shit on Lease leasy he drank every bottle but now it's no more vodka it's no more Armadale now remember Armadale is gasoline. Big time. There we go. Got me gasoline? Let's go. Your Armadale, you can light that shit up.

And you can fill your gas tank up with it. Yes, sir. Armadale. This is the original Armadale. Not the shit, you know, they got new. I still got one of those bottles to the crib. It's not good. But, so we, we battling.

There's no more Armadale, and my nigger down leaves you just fall asleep. But what's the battle? How's the battle? Shout out of the shot. Anything on the table? No, you say, shot big signal. I had to know it to it, we could go, go, go, go, go. But it's multiple bottles, like different liquors.

Whatever. No. It's Armadale. Armadale. The bottle bottle bottle is I'll drink big. So you know what I'm. And I don't see, that we bowled. No, Bill's a monster.

We bowling. I don't want to say that shit. But we battle. I'm hanging in there. You know what me? I had the man. No, let me take some. Me and Dame is bent. Me and Dame is bent.

It's him and Lee. Now, Leasy is sitting in, he's good. But then, it's the last shot. Leasy say, it's no more. And he's just no more vodka. And Leazy, she's just, poor. What is? What is?

Yeah, that's awesome. But no, no, he says, Leisure, right? Then after Woburn said, yo, gee, this thing ain't the move. They said, yo, Leesie, I'm like, this is my nigga, he threw that ain't nothing. That's, like, two. And he's like, yo, you show your man,

I'm like, you're not even sure about it. I look, I'm like, I know I'm not. And then Leasy, open the other eye. He just, he looked at me and he's like, one other eyes, he gave me that, you gotta relax. I said, all right, Lee. Big up down, Lizzie, we love you. Love you, too.

Wow. Biggs, motherfiles. I'll drink, I'll drink Biggs, man. We die ball. Biggs, we drink as boilmakers. It's one of my block. But now, Rough Riders. Um, uh, Rockefeller.

Yeah. You guys knew each other coming up. Yeah. Could they ever implicate a era like you guys had, Rough Riders, Rockefeller, even Merdy. Yeah, Merit. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, yeah, I said Merit. Okay, Randy Acker. Could there ever be another era like that? I don't know. It's going to be tough. Because everybody's independent now. It's not like somebody trying to build labels. It's like artists is trying to do it.

do their own thing themselves. You know what I mean? But with that, I mean, everybody, you got three crews strong, all selling three, four, five million records every single time they come out. That's what Irving said. I mean, it's hard to replicate that.

First, you don't even, you don't sell those amount of records anymore. Right. Mm-hmm. He said that too. What Irv Gotti said was, Lear played Rough Riders, Rockefeller, and Murder, Inc.

against each other, because every three months, it would be an album that would drop so Lear will give love to Rockefeller when Rockefeller dropped the album I didn't really nobody really care who Leor gave I mean it was

it's still a competition whether it's in-house or not if DMX come out he's selling 4 million records we want to come out and sell 4, 5 million records if Jock come out selling 3 million Emmy it ain't even just with them anybody but it just so happened we know each other so it's like damn

you know what I mean like you know and the access And, you know, with that relationship, that's how Swiss, you know, we got introduced to Swiss from them too, you know. I'm bringing them in the office that day. That was, I think that was the first Beatty produced, actually, was money cash holds. Money cash, money, cash, hold. It was bad for TV before that.

I didn't throw that out there. No, for us. Off of y'all, I just want to throw that out. You got to run out. Jigger, because I'm out, me and Dane went to go hear that, because Swiss had the hook for it. Jay God So me and Dame

Just listening to it over and over and over We called Jay like, yo You gotta come do this shit This shit is tired Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, let me tell you something Okay

Yeah, Swiss I had that happened. I need to understand I need to understand how that happened Because Swiss is I in my mind Like, mind you this is from my world I think, I'm not sure It wasn't, I think it was

Martin Moore who hit you and said we got a guy named it wasn't Swiss at this time it was just your nephew he's nephew that's what he's his nephew that's what he's D's nephew

I'm like all right everybody is the guy of respect okay I'm respecting D his nephew got beats and he came down and then we did band from TV right so Ramford TV was actually recorded before Stop Drop, right? The Stop Drop came out maybe the year.

No, it came out the same year, right? Yeah. But then Swiss just, how did you know, because he was your nephew? How did you know this was the next guy that did the beast? Because you had Dame Greece at the time, correct? We had Greece. We had P.K. We had a bunch of producers, but he was just the youngest.

He had learned from a lot of things from everybody and kind of put it together and came up. with his own sound because it was at a point where he wasn't getting no beats in so we'd be like yeah that's good put that back over there so we keep on working so what got him was his determination like he used to live with me so he said well i'm going home he'd be like now i'm gonna stay right here i'm just staying here so he'll just stay in there all night and i'll come in he got 15 new beats every day for about a year straight basically and then then he figured it out you had to figure it out and find his style yeah i think when you brought him to us he had like a hundred

in something beats. Like that wasn't a herder for a producer to have something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At that time. We're getting to my band for TV stories. Nature's here, too. Yeah, nature. Because listen, listen, I might as well get into it, I've got to take a piss with quick. So listen, I'm going to be

honest. Don't forget to tell a band for TV. The first beat, that wasn't the beat that was supposed to beat. That's a... It was a big? I was... You got a... Come on, nature. It's how. Let me tell you something. I'm a spectator on this one. Nah, let me tell you something.

Let me look, I want to tell a story why he's right here. What happened was Niles was on the war report out. He was on a record called Music, Make These Stars Calm Down. If you ever heard that record, that record is not official. It's never been cleared. It was supposed to be on the War Report album. What happened was, I don't know. But it never was clear, right?

With what, Colombia? Yeah, it never was clear. I don't want to get into particular. because I don't really remember what it was for this moment. So Nass and Jungle, Big Up Jungle and Big Up Nogh. They had called me and said, yo, we want to pay you back for that. I was like, I bet.

They said you were going to, you know, do the firm album. I had never heard of what the firm was. Nobody had never announced that Foxy A-Z. They never announced it. So when they said the firm, I'm like, word up. I was like, a bunch of lawyers is about to do an album. That's how I. thought or I heard of the firm I'm not I cool they said you're gonna come to

Miami I had never been to Miami this time so I can't wait to go to Miami well well God let me make a longest story short so I actually came and it was nature session when I landed for the firm out and I don't I forget for what reason nature had landed later or something I don't know that's how I'm leaving came about In my opinion, you could tell me no. In fact, I'm fucking up. When I first landed in there, Dre had played me the bloody money beat first.

So I did that, and then you came in. This is your session, though. But then you came in, and then the I'm Leaving beat came on, and I did my verse, and you never said, yo, why is he spitting that? And that's the reason why I banned from TV. Because you body that. I was like, this, Nick, I don't even.

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Okay, speak over to the EFN. Come on. But we'll get you later. So what I'm saying was before that, when we was doing BANFIT. So I did Ban from TV because I wanted to pay nature back for not being a hater for just sitting back and just, I know nobody told him I was. coming right and I came in I just worked and they just never just he could have been like I'm firm this thing's not firm give him the fuck out of here you never did Nate I respect it to this day still love you have my real phone number just in case you don't know you got to relax so listen

let me remix it I'm sorry so there was the original beat so I tried to get them and Swiss gave me the LSD, the world. And they just said, I don't like it. I gotta pay this guy back. He just let me live with the firm album. But this is the LSP. I'm looking at this nigga like, I wanna choke you. He's like, I don't like that beat.

And then he plays another beat, then Swiss plays another beat. And then Swiss plays a beat. And then this is the beat that he's supposed to be. It's supposed to be just me and nature. And nature takes two hours. He's writing this shit. And then Swiss looked at Nate, he said, you don't like this beat.

And then Nate goes, nah, right, man. And then Swiss plays band from TV. Nate wrote his verse in 25 seconds. Am I lying, Nate? Am I lying? This is the time where you don't tell a person you don't make their beat.

You just be like, yo, it's good, it's cool. I'm gonna sound better. Okay, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just, I had to Rockefeller. I don't know, yeah, never, we get back to Rockefeller, Rough Riders, man. So, your big face gag. What up, Slime? You entered the game.

Mm-hmm. Your vision is only Rockefeller. Yes. How did your vision develop like that? Bigface Fee. Because, um, I didn't name no names. Biggs had a friend with A&R. You're not naming no names, but...

Biggs. I said, Biggs had a friend who was big. Not name or no name. Biggs, I can name Biggs name. Had a friend was A&R and he, Biggs is the boss. Biggs fired him. And I made some moves. Biggs unliked.

I made state property my friends. They all liked me. And I just started working hard. I learned how to mix records. I should call Biggs. Biggs taught me everything I know when it comes in. I said, call Bigger or Bigg said, Biggs taught me a lot of shit.

And Bay said, and then we got, I just kept working. And I said, Big said, nah, Big face is not mixed right. It's not mixed right. Biggs, you bugging. He was fair, though. You bugger, it's not right. Biss had a hell of the air. Then he taught me, I got better and better.

And Biggs say, gee, this is your niche. They like you, they pop, as your group, do your thing. And then Biggs left them to me. Biggs will do the finished product. I do all the music in the studio. Then I let Biggs hear it. What ain't like I fixed? And then that was it.

Now, Biggs, now what made you guys actually try to make people bosses their self? Because most regular labels, especially right now, they get an artist, they're hot, and they want a 360. You guys are actually getting the artist, getting them hot, and actually making them bosses. That goes back to what I was saying, opening the doors. But another thing is when we signed our deal, we knew we was going to sell a company in a certain amount of time. So Rockefeller wasn't going to last. That was the goal? Yeah.

So, you know, most people don't know when you get into business, you build and sell a company. That's where you make your money at the end of the day. So there's always a multiple, right? So whatever you're doing at the end of the year, whether it's a 5x, 3x, 10x, whatever it is. The evaluation of the company. Yeah, exactly. Each industry has a, you know, an industry standard.

But we knew we was going to sell a company, so it was about making everybody else bosses, so after we're gone, they can do their own thing. That's incredible. Now, indeed, right? The thing about it was, we hear that you guys had the lots you guys had DMX

you guys had Eve another same time Eve came later correct yeah Eve came later we had Eve a little later we had you guys but you guys are the locks and DMX what made what made y'all see that X would be the guy to go multi

what gave you the insight for that oh we gave you the insight for that It was, we already knew who was the pick of the litter at that point. The pick of the litter! We had their pick of the litter! Because we had them already years before they even got on, so we already knew who was who. It doesn't matter if you had a good song or you thought you was nice.

I knew who he was. So it was pretty easy for us because we didn't, we never really got artists and didn't know who they were before we put them on. So we knew X was the pick, he was the main one, period, point blank, all hands down. And all the artists knew that. Now, because, now, let me stop you right. Let me stop you there. Because let me stop you there because the thing about it is, you know,

thing. You understand? I don't know. You understand tongue language? I don't know five. You got to relax. You got to realize. You're like to go crazy days, right?

So listen, because the thing about it is, X is just not, like, every encounter I, ever have a DMX has never ever been industry. I can see this nigga in Fat Burger and this thing's like, what's up, nigga, you got a cigarette? Like damn, DMX, you're 10 times platinum. You ask me, I definitely got the cigarette for you, DMX. But, like, so how could you see us, like,

because we had Irv got out of here, right? And Irv said, like, I'm sorry I keep referring to Irv because it just refers to this interview, much right and he's saying that he's sorry through a locked jaw like he's saying that no no this is real shit right the first time he ever run for for leoh this jaw was locked is this true yes he has some braces or something yeah how the fuck can like listen my dude i can look at certain people and say yeah yeah i can see you get money i can't see you and say you're a superstar i don't have that ability how

How the hell did you see that? I just knew he was talented because, see, when you dealt with him for years before he got on, it was just a matter of time for everybody in the world understood. So we was all over the place. We was, you know, we was in the street, so we hustled everywhere. We've been everywhere. We took him everywhere. And anywhere we had a battle, he probably never lost.

Like, he would battle and go, we want to battle, and there'd be a bunch of people in Rome. And he'd be like, all right, you will go, I go, you go, I go. You know, he was just good at his craft. Did X have a deal before the Def Jam deal? Like Big Beat or something? No, I think it was... I don't remember that deal, but it was going to be a deal, but he didn't really get it. So...

You remember you check the first time I met DMX? It's real shit. I'm in Battery Studio. I'm old school. I'm sorry, battery studios. You're looking at it. Look, this is already laughing. He's like, this thing's all wrong.

I'm in battery studios. A dog running in my session. Literally. A dog. Jungle. Nye's brother kicks the dog. Whoa. And then 20 minutes later,

this nigga DMX walked in my shit. You say, y' knicks don't like dogs? You said, what the fuck? The dog told you? How do you know? There's no way. It's only our crew and then. The dog told him.

Oh, I was speaking. You were speaking their dogs. The me and the nigga been cool ever since. That's real shit. I swear to God, I'm not making none of this stuff. I swear to God. Listen, man. But on that note, too, you guys shout out to Erv

because he definitely got an eye for talent and a good ear. You know what I ain't going back today. You know, he produced Ken I live, too. I'm about this in the biggest video. That's the illest beat. Yo, besides where I'm from, Irv, I didn't know you. I don't know about you.

I was there in the studio. I said that beat was ridiculous. Because Erd was our DJ prior to rock. Monster beat. Monster. Everybody didn't talk about this on the pocket. Monster B-Slam. Can I live?

Isaac Hayes? Monster. D.J.R. God. He said DJ. Was that an accession? Hold on. Biggs, we did that session? Of course I was in that session. Of course I was in that session.

Every time we used to drink, I don't lie, nigger. Relax. We made sure we would drink and go studio and night. My line, Biggs? What you have? Base line, right at that time? No, hell no. From Bimo.

D. Hell no. D&D. We would drink and go to the studio every night. We've been a whole crew. No one care about nothing and we snap and we have a ball and Jay would rap. That was it. That was all we did. Now how different was that for y'all? Because back then, Harlem people stayed with Holland people. Like I know I said that earlier, but to see him just like, you know, how difficult was that to claim that? Because that was your crew now. I know one thing we snap a lot. They don't, Brooklyn is no snap.

They didn't like y'all snap. Big, we used to go, huh? Vig's, enough that Vex will snap. That fucking half. We used, I had my days, but Vizzo lost too many battles, but I so would lose a couple, and I loved it. Okay. Shal-O-R-Gas-Law-Gas. Shal-A-Gas-Daw-A-Gas.

Vig, Shal got you, Biggs. We jumped off the viz. I used to lose so many, and your brother, rest of the beast, Bob, got Viz a couple times. After that, Biggs was a brother. That's not a loss. That's not a lot. Anyway, Sean Arnold, Biggs, just shot on the Knap. Biggs used to go to war.

Biggs had a what they said for Virginia, seven-hour drive. Snap, the, seven-hour straight. You know you can't escape, so I'm in the highway. Me, I'm jumping off the car. But you can't. He's just trying to get home. Then one time Biggs, Biggs was about one or two battles, but my point is, Brooke niggas don't snap.

You know what knicks. You know what they're going to get money. They don't buy clothes. They don't buy guns. They don't buy guns. We got to relax. What up Drink Champs Army? EFN here.

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the real Noriega on Instagram at Noriega on Twitter and on Facebook. Check us. So we put that to Jay and like I said in the pocket. You heard it. Jay had Durango boots on. Bunch of money. Beautiful car. I'm not joking, man, though.

I'm not joking, man, though. Is the ones with the buckle or the worst they look like the... Yo, I don't want to buckle, I don't remember nothing. All I know is... Durango... He had Durango boots on, he had a bunch of fucking money with a nice car. We snapped on him. Yeah.

Things changed around. With the full locker, bought about a hundred-payer white, uptowns, and a hundred-paid base terms. You know, big things. You said, Durango. Durango. I just got it. That's big me up. I had to buy.

four pair of Tim's. Because I looked in my closet and I said, that ass, beat, it's not right. I had no Tim's. So I waited for four days. Beads in the shit came the right way, the legal way. Biss used to play dumb. Biss I hate you for that, big.

What? I don't know what you're talking. Wait, what? I don't know what? I look, it doesn't matter. Bays, it don't matter. But let me change the subject for one second, right? So for one second, right?

Um, to me, the best time in hip-hop was when, D from Rockwriters was in power, why from Rockwriters was in power, uh, Biggs, uh, Dane, uh, Irv Gotti, uh, the black CEO, Hove, of course, I mean, but, you know, I'm just saying, I'm speaking about just CEOs, no artist. Yeah.

Do you think that time will ever come back? Tough to say. Yeah? Do you think that time is necessary to come back? Um, I don't know if it's, if it's necessary, because everybody's taking their fate in their own hands. So everything that we was trying to teach artists back then to be their own boss, now you can actually do it.

You know, you can record your album in the house and the crib, put it out on tune call, whatever it is, you know, make your own money, build a following on social, go perform. You know, can't forget not to perform because everybody just think, put some out on YouTube or Instagram and, like, they're not on the road. Get on the road, build up a following, but you can do it yourself now. So the blueprint has changed a little bit. Technology changed the landscape.

How about you, Dee? The game is a little different now because of the technology and, you know, everybody can do it themselves. You know, you train them and you show them the blueprint. You know, you show them how to do this, do that. And then everybody would be able to do it on their own, like the locks, everybody else was able to get deals, independent deals and move forward. So you taught them everything. So it's not going to never really be the same like we did it.

We did it. It was a little different. They could do it themselves now. What I'm most happy about is seeing that the artists are getting money outside of music, because that's what we always try to teach them. Like it's other things outside. It don't have to be music. You use that as a platform to get into something else.

Biggs, I got a question. Hold on. Before you do that, but now, Rockefeller, right? They expanded out to clothing. Yeah. But when they got to clothing, you weren't involved in the clothing. Why was that? Well, I was involved in the cross-marketing of it.

So that's why when Dame went over there to Rockaway, I stood and I took over Rockefeller. So that's when I was doing, trying to sign you, you never signed. Rock, rock, man, you gotta talk, right. And then I did Kanye's album and Young Guns album. So, you know, while he was doing that, and everybody played their part, it was perfect

because I was, you know, doing all across marketing, taking the artists to perform state property, taking everybody to London do the Rockaway shows in Germany wherever we was going so it was important to do it like that

okay now D right I want to ask you because you and Rockefeller did the biggest tour together correct

and I felt like in my opinion I could be wrong like actually the biggest artist at that moment you could have did a rough rider tour

by yourself what made you choose to do a Rockefeller Ruff Rider tour together because you were the head honcho you could have said fuck it let's just do drag on

rough ruff rave and what you said you chose to do the Rockefeller tour what made you make that decision I think we was I don't remember if it was I think it was probably me and Hove because I was kind of more

me and him had a relationship and then we would be talking different things and then we probably came up with the concept of doing it together. Plus, you know, we all come up from the same place. So we're like, you know, all, let's give it a shot, let's go.

We all hot anyway, so we was good. You know, he was big, O was big, X was big, so it just made sense at that time to do it together, you know? It would be bigger, so that's what we did. We just did it together.

Let's make some noise for that. I got there. Me personally, I think, like, as a person that's been in the industry, as an artist, and when I bossed up, I just bulls up, I just

bossed up with just us. I just feel like we need the black CEO. We need these guys. The one thing about Biggs, me working with him directly, is I can say some bullshit in the

circle and Biggs will be like, he'll look and he'll like somewhat agree with me and then pull me to the side. You know you can say bullshit. And we don't have that no more. Like artists don't really have that. Like artists don't really have the, you know, I'm gonna fuck with you

by the CEO, like the people is around. The other people that's cutting the checks. And then as soon as it's going, look, nigga, I understood everything that said. You were taught. Like, we don't have that no more. And that's the reason why the, so people

can't complain about the lyrics or the music, they got to complain about the people that's actually pushing it. I don't know if that makes sense. You don't understand. trying to say? Can we ever get back to where you guys are running or a person that's like you guys? Let's say it maybe not.

I mean, it's obvious there's a lot of young artists, right? Like, you know, little kids today that's getting in the game that may not know it. But then it's a lot of season managers as well. That can play that role. You know what I mean? So it doesn't always have to be the CEO. If you could surround yourself with a good team with people last season, you ain't got to really depend on a label. that's what we used to tell everybody

stop depending on the label even with us right we would go to the artist and be like what do you want to do what are you want to do what are you like the single of being you know what I'm saying we were trying to always teach so I mean like Gino right

like guys like that you got people you know all around people that manage and do stuff that helps the artists I think that they can look for that for help as well maybe it morphs into people taking over the reins of some of these technology companies as well

because that's what's kind of running Wait, what you said it again? I'm sorry. People taking the reins of the technology companies, the tech companies that are actually really running the industry. So before I use the bathrooms, I got to use the bathroom. I'll be honest, I'll be holding it the whole time. But listen, is streaming helping or hurting the industry?

Bigs and D. Is it helping? Because right now, forget. On Spotify, I got like 300. spins on like one shit right to 300 spends back then I'll be 200,000 away from being gold on a single but then they calculate it very different they say 300,000 or they say every 1500 spends off those down streams streams equals one so is it streaming helping or hurting the industry truthfully I don't know I didn't really look at

the business of streaming So I really can't answer that. How about you, Lee? You think it probably, like we said, you know, we don't really look into it. I'm old school. I don't pay attention to that as much, but it's probably definitely going to affect the whole business on top of everything. So it's never going to be the same.

Like if you keep saying, it's probably never going to be the same. There's too much technology. Okay, hold on, you all. I'm taking the people easier for you. I'm going to too. Don't. Be your face, right? And I'm going.

I know you got a cold a lot, right? I got a cold. What's that, man? What's that, man? What's that, man? We're ready? We're good? You know, listen.

We back, I had to take a piquise. So this is how it's going down. But now, Biggs, I want to take it back to reasonable doubt. Oh, Mark. That's a classic. That's my shit right there. Oh. I don't lost folks.

You lost folks? Pick me in a bottle, that's my ever, nothing to out do the album ever, ever, ever. We did that together's brothers. Every day, every hangout, Southern Comfort, Bacardi. Bix giving me a thousand jokes. Picked me up the next day at 12 o'clock. We drinking again and again than the next day. Don't do that to me.

Was it Chris down in? Give me attention. Was it Chris, I was the Biggs and Wong and it was big time. Chris, that was nothing. That's what they did on regular. And you said Juan? O.G. Wong? No, no, I'm just gonna say like...

O.G. Wong was dead? No, no. Not for a reason for doubt. No. I was like, down the line. Not for the reason about it. I thought you said that, but I was saying the wrong album. Why I was there.

But if you got a more doubt, take it. You gotta relax. No, I'll tell you relax. Fuck, I take that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I love that album. I'm sorry, so I love that album. I'm sorry, I love.

Well, what, where you get me? All right, I'll take over time. Oh, fuck, sorry. I love you, I love. We keep drinking. Okay. Okay. Slav, you have five.

You got out of my own. All right, so, Ben, you finally believe after he battles DMX. Yeah. So in your opinion, he beat DMX, right? Correct. And now you guys go to record an album, or was y'all already recorded the album prior to that?

No, we wasn't recording an album prior to that. So now you're going to record the album. So what makes you continue to believe? I started to hear other songs So 95 South The song That never came out I think that was a song that clock did

It was like two or three other songs That I heard that I never heard before That clock had done Where Jay was talking more like How Jay talked as of recent So that's what made me to believe A believer Now, all right

Let's get to And then after in my lifetime All right Let's get to like when you were locked up Right? First off, a lot of people don't even know where you were locked up for. What happened?

It was a conspiracy. So I introduced somebody to somebody in L.A. from New York. And they didn't, even though they didn't do a deal, they wanted me to basically talk. So I chose not to and got time for it. Grilled nigger shit. Curse me out, slime.

I'm going to fuck. I'm talking next. Now I'm talking. Now I'm talking. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax.

Relax. Relax. I'm gonna fuck sorry. No, no, no. Let's make some noise for him now. To Biggs. Everybody told him like, they're gonna write this off now.

God bless you, Biggs. Because, let me just, let me just, as an outsider looking in, right? When I heard Biggs had a charge for Bud, I said there's no way Biggs is selling but. Yeah. I was buying dispensaries in California. That made no sense to me.

The legal side of them. I was buying dispensaries in California. This is a long time to tell people. Let me take one. I got to take it for you on that one. Wait, what? When you're ready, let me talk. Relax.

Let me take it for Biggs for that. Okay, you gotta relax. I'm gonna relax. I'm sorry. Biggs say that again? So you was what? Buying dispensaries. It was buying dispensaries.

In California. Yeah. Medical dispensaries. So why, so why when this story came up, these people actually thought that, like, you were selling weed? And to me, I know, I knew, like, I had 100 arguments. This nigga, Biggs ain't fucking someone on the weed. A much of me.

They're stupid. This motherfucker buys pounds to soak. Look for scapego. That's what they're actually found a pound, two pounds in my house and was like, we got it. Oh, that. But you know how about we? Was the rumor true, like where they said you had a leak in your house or something like that?

No. And then they. No, that was in my penthouse. That was years before. Oh. Yeah. Okay. During Rockafone.

In Jersey. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. You don't got that anymore? I want to buy it. You still got it. No, you ever see, man?

Let's first, you had the first... You had the first volcano I ever seen. He said, he had the first volcano. It's my man, man, man. You said, have I been there? Fuck you, relax, as you tell me. You relax. It's my man, man, man, man.

That's not so I'm not so I'm just about this metal, but it's my man. I know I went to everything but that. It's my man. My man. This is my friend. I know where he lived. We had a good time.

Fucking asshole. Yeah, big face was locked up. You want to say that one more time. So now, what's the best era in hip-hop? In your opinion, it doesn't have to be the era that you were in. The best era in hip-hop, period. That's tough. Late 80s, probably.

Early 90s, yeah. We're talking about Chris Cross era? Nah. Big Daddy Kane era. Kane, Rick, about EPM D. Yeah, EPMD. Yeah, EPMD. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

What's the name of that? I can't remember. Dougie Fresh. No, after that. That's after that. Slick Rickett. Yeah. I think this is Gin and Juicing at the time.

Going right in until our era. No. Gin is 92. 88 was K-R-S. Right. Slick. Rick. 89, nice and school.

Yeah. Kooji. Kooji. What's your favorite era, D? Right around that area, right there, all the way up until it got to us. Yeah. Mm.

That's D. My favorite era is us. Sorry. Selfish. Now, that's a sad. Now, that's a saddial. See an era was a hard era. That's a hard.

Here's Gary. Yes, Gary. Fuck up, man, this is great time, man. This is Drake Chibb, Big Faye. It's a great time right here, man. Biggs here, slime. You're supposed to have beans and freeway tomorrow. But they're not here.

Oh, yeah? Beans more long. Yeah. What was the experience of beans and freeway? Nah, beans. Go to the mic? Beans another level, man. One of the best rappers I've seen in a long time.

But he had an alligator bite you. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, beans is a street dude who did what he wanted to do. but lyrically, a monster. Never seen nothing like it, man. I ain't our Biggs game with an opportunity, A&R. Bean is one of the biggest opportunity.

If you didn't go to jail with him, the two, three million in the beginning. Biggs gave me the whole album. But then, of course, at the end, I would let Biggs, I would have to call Biggs. He's my boss. What do you want, Biggs? You know, things of that.

But Beans, special. A big being special rapper. Definitely. Right Biggs? Special. Monster. And you said he could have been just as big as, is Jay.

He was He didn't go to jail You're very close There's a lot of jail time No disrespect to him Phillies are very bad It's a tough town If you don't hold your own

You don't get handled So he just has to handle He did what he had to do But Bays and Fettys and he's a special Right? Yeah, great talent Oh my God

How about Pee D crap? I gotta say something Forget Pee Crap one second Biggs bought this This is what Biggs did Biggs was smart He would hang with us Biggs go to do his work

They come to the block His niggas and bring every hour everything we did what y'all think he wouldn't say he wouldn't say nothing if we like it

if he got a hit if not it ain't it but bigs but the truth remember Biggs I said this thing to hear

Biggs this nigga from Philly you know what I heard the truth I try on light skin man mm mmh

use use tools how I use fools that was that was actually Kanye's first singing

yeah yeah yeah shout out the Bigs and Kanye what's too everybody everybody

take props to the Kanye Bigs and day The truth was Kanye's first single. Yeah, yes. Wait, wait. Hold on, no, I'm going to hear on your show. I got to do one thing, babe.

Shut up. You got to be cut. You got to be too much at one time. I'm sorry. I'm a little hype up because I'm drinking that. Go. Let me take control. Let me take control.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, stop, sorry. I'm going to calm down. So you said what? Say it again? Which one now? You said that the truth?

Kanye's first. Kanye's first single. Kanye's produced. But Beanie. But Beanie. Biggs bought it to 147 Atlantic where his crew was at. We was all there drinking. Biggs would do a record and make sure Biggs had a technique with us.

He'd do the record and come through the hood. We played off like it as nothing. If we like it, Biggs out of here. Biggs played the truth. I turned light skin. You're light skin now. No, I'm not light still light. It's this boat right here, like,

use, use food, so I was, use tools, it was ridiculous. I said, big one. I said, really? Got her. And he just kept hitting those records. My biggest had to tell you come to the hood with it, man. Big time, big time.

Big time rapper. Big time rapper. Okay, so now, I gotta go there. Go where you want to go. You guys are top of the world. Give me some Rose. They pop and shit, they ask with most of me. I'm gonna relax.

I'm gonna get slime in my world now, Sam. You got me here. You know how I am. You guys on top of the world. We had all that talent from Philly. I don't know where he got Eve from. I started selling all these millions of workers. I'm going there.

Remind me to go there. Remind me to go there. You're like, yo, how that shit slipped through? Come on, Mike. And then you guys, well not you guys. Hold once the disnods, right? Oh, that's, oh, damn. Damn, it.

Fine. You're going to get a shit right now. Right. My shit right. Hold this nass. Okay, come on. So hold this nars, right? Boof. You shot that shit, boof.

You can't have a shot of champagne. It doesn't exist. A glass and champagne. A cup of champagne. Okay, shit, I'm sorry. No, that's all I'm not. Listen. So hold this naz, right? I love you, babe. What made y'all say to yourself?

Like, all right, cool. All right, cool. This is what Hope we want to do. We're backing them. Or did you say this is not us? Like, what was your position going to take over? These balls are going to say. I'm not sure.

I think it was after I heard the take over. I don't even think Jay split the rhymes to us before. But he just did take over. On his own? Yeah, and then I heard it. And then I was rare. Neither did you think of us. It was rare.

So how did y'all feel? Let's just be honest. I go a lot. I'm gonna get scream thrown. But you know who my seat says 05. So I love you to death. We find me, fine me. We're in Lotus.

He still might snuff you. I'm just throwing out. Ah, Jay, all right, man. Jay, Lover, I'll take that. I come right back. He'll go. He's still right. I'll take that.

We didn't know. Back of the day, is, bitch, we should sit on top of the couch. It's not like on top, we sit on top. You know what I'm talking? Slom. Now on top? On top?

On top. Slom, you know, you sit on seats, but on top of the seats, Like that- Not there, like not where Randy's at, on top. Yeah. Okay. So we talking, that record came out.

Jay said, I'm gonna kill this, nigga. I started laughing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you gonna kill this, yeah. You don't kill this. He said, Dick's sucking lips. You know, men don't play that game. Jay hated that verse. He could take that verse, pissed him to fuck off, man.

I said, nigga, you're a beat. Don't worry about that shit. Come back, you got it, you got it. So you can put the record out with Ivers and all that shit. I don't care about that shit. It wasn't anything impact we wanted. But when he came back that sum, he took a break, H-O-V-A, I got my mojo babby, O-V-A. No, no, that's such that my niggas back.

I'm a big-time day fan. He struggled through that, my opinion. When he came back with that record, he's back. So when he asked Nas, I got a million on your head. You say it verse, I say it verse. Who wouldn't get a million? I still don't remember this. Where did this happen at?

It was on the rate, dude. I was on my 7.1. Am I making that up, anybody? No, that's what I'm doing it? Thank you. Am I making that a booth? I'm not making this shit of Mori? It was a nice important.

Andrew Martinez. He put a million on his head. You say it first, I say it first. Whoever once I get a million. He said, I can't afford it. Dajai got deep and said... Nause have it. He said he didn't have it.

He said he didn't have it. He said he didn't have it. Nass, I'm going to say he didn't have it. He said he didn't put it up. Islam am I making a style. You don't do that. I don't do that. I'm not a lie.

I'm not a liar. I'm not a lie. He said he didn't say that. He said he had a... He didn't say that. Oh, you know what, look it up. Yeah, he can't have to say that. He didn't say it.

There's something else they were saying, but he ain't say it. Relax. I'm just telling you, I just know. You got all that said, a million dollars. Everybody's not a lot of money that. Everybody don't have a million dollars.

You're all lying to yourself, you say that, man. All you're not a reality. Having been in cash, if it, it's very serious. Right. He said he'd be turning to afford it. He heard on 97. 97.1, Angie Martinez said it, Flesher said it, I don't make a blouse. They can't kill me them all. I don't get to fuck, but I don't have...

Yeah, Niles, definitely didn't say he can't afford it. Okay, but he didn't have a blame on. I just tell you, even if he can afford it. He can't say that a record. Okay, well, son, you know what, some of the different words. Yeah, I'm just telling me. In fact, whatever words used, and I'm a big fan. For the record, I used to destroy Jay behind nine.

I said, no, I was better than Jay. But then when Jay became better, I manned up. So, if I'm saying the wrong lies, I apologize. But I remember, it was something about the money. wasn't right all I'm saying is Jay came back that summer and hit that classic record H-O-V-A I got my mojo back baby oh B-A no no I said he's back I'm a major Bay J-T Frag because I like him I love Jay I love him I love him I everybody I remember I didn't respect him my friend I see he's all right yeah I that skinny

motherfucker started can I live where I'm from this time it's part of my wrist I got a clock on my hip, I can't do shit about this. That was my man. My man. Am I lying? No, no, no, no, Jay's a monster, I see, Jay is a monster lyricist, man. He got a little sense of that last off.

What, 4-44? You know what with his wife, the Lemon Dill Chitabal. Don't critique the 4-4. That's my favorite Jay Zia album. I ain't like you, I ain't like it. No. What? I like the album.

Mine, like, the behind it. and just invite you. Well, Scream won't be that. Oh, shit. You didn't like for a little more? No, I love that. I'm being the asshole because I just felt like like we just buying out to his wife.

I'm a sucker, nigga for that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you got it. I'm a sucker. It was a great album. I'm just being the asshole right now. He just, I'm just, I'm saying to get money. By house is and all. You know what I need me alone,

you got to get more money. If you don't like 4-444, that means you're I ain't got the slime, I got the best money. No, you got to get some more money. But I'm hanging there. I ain't get infected, yeah. You ain't get it. You ain't get it fixed.

I ain't get it. Sorry, that what y'all got, but I got a hoor money. Nogh. Nogh, niggas, gang's getting evicted, slime. EFere needs to get evicted, man. You're not in the eviction, coal stations. I'm not in court, bigs. Yeah, but I still got a cripple with my ass, man.

Thank God, God, it's good, man. I'm loving this, man. I love all y'all, man. I'm loving this shit. What's your favorite ever at hip-hop? I asked wopin' up. Damn. I'm gonna go to the state property era?

Nah, not, not. For the first time, I'm gonna do my rockerfeller. He's gonna laugh. That's all I know is rock a farmer. All for one, man. That's all for one. That's my era. They talked that crazy shit.

I loved them. On 91. A jump-up era. Yeah, yeah. Greg Mice, M-C-E, the post-D-W-W-W. That's my era. From there, then, I'm not going to lie, I became a rockin'all-full of fanat.

From there, I don't know nothing. Rock and full after that. After that, no. Let me tell you something. One time Big Face Gary came into my studio. I was just talking to him like about cheese burgers. He was like, yeah. Beans love that too.

You know what? You hit me up? What sign you got? You got that? You know, I'm about to get some fresh fries. It's like, bleak, love. You're so sad about that? Your uncle, your uncle choked me.

And I'll take that, I'm going to tell you right now. When you come home, I'll pay someone here that on my. Let me finish it up. I call myself. When you go through a lot, and you've been around these guys every day, and you just, you're making, you're having fun making good money, you're not listening to me.

I set up a million with damn, I made five grand. Yeah, and you know, let me just say something. Like one day I just had to tell him, I was like, you know. No, he screams on me. Straight go, listen. He's big in the Rock, if he's scream on me. Just a life.

Behind Rock, fuck. Like everything I was talking to him about, I'd be like, yo, you know, I see this chick's you got a bad lace front. He was like, yo, you should have seen. Biggs, bitch. The sad shit is? It's sad, but you're right. I love the niggins that much.

They let me down a little bit. But it's my problem. You're going to relax. My mom, we get mad. You're basically, I have 90% great, 2% bad. This is my man, yo. I got no problems in best, man. Me, Biggs had great.

Great time. I don't told you. Biggs was driving big cars. Usen was his movie. I had Biggs car for nine weeks basically. I said, bitch, I have your car. Oh, you got my car? He didn't care about shit. He's a good dude, man. He's a good dude, man. He's a good guy by you phone in garbage, Biggs? You throw everybody home? Come on, nigger. Shrek.

That's all right. I love that. Come on. That's my man. That's my man. But I say one thing, though. When you got your T-fix, you look a lot better, though. Shout out to my man, Yank.

Upper West Side, Biggs. I only see Biggs is my man. Biggs taught me a lot younger to me. Biggs is a boss, man. I got to give people their proud. Jay Z. Ball, Dame boss. I got friends behind Biggs of him. B. is one of my best friends.

He calls me. Texas. My man, my man. Mori told me one day, Gary, you're not a rapper to me. You're not a N-R. You're my friend. So I swear to God, I had some bad experiences, but me and I'm real close. Me and my man, my man, Bambi is very close.

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Little Seas, that's the first time we got close to Norrie. Uh-huh. And it was hell, right, Norrie? When the studio were PD cracking and you had an idea of so much. You know, Norris said, you know, you like this shit, you got to get into nerd. You know what, Norwich? You know, Norwich, you know, you got to tell him. Norris in an asshole.

So you got to shit around. You know you got to get facts. All I'm saying is, we joke. Norrie killed me a little bit. All I knew is rock. Yeah. Norby got some new jibs. Biggs is fucking, big is stronger than Cobra right now.

Big is struggling to the dog right now. And we're all different. My man, Yang, Sean, my man, Yang, the low-eastern, up on its side, we all have them fun. Norrie, I'll give it a hundred. When I met you, your teeth was like a cat. It's just yellow like a cat. But now, this shit's a whiter than a motherfucker.

White of the piano key, bud. You got the pretty ones, ma'am. They got the pretty ones, ma'am! You did the, yo, you did the record, you did the record. You did the reggae tone? Your career was almost over. They drink champs brought you back.

They're gonna turn up, man. I'm gonna try to do, say. That's the big face you missed, right? I'm not on your level, slime. I'm just joke, I'm not on a little. I'm on your level. I'm on your nigga's level. Biggs, you.

I never see what you've seen, but I do know one thing. Wrig a toll, I'm gonna finish him. Oh, let's finish him. That's he was so dope. 13,000 Spins. Nobody came back. That's the total. That shit was so dope.

You killed him. No, you killed the game. That shit was so dope. You shot the video and then you added on on a video. Remember when you gave it all the change? You got that about that? You gave Norvie the chain. What I did?

You know, what happened? Hold on. When I did what? You got to relax. Wait, Tanniggan. No, I'm not. I'm up in the round.

I was a real ball with this reggae thomas. Tell them. So what happened is Biggs. So we shot the video in Miami. Without them. Then he split the video and then he shot another introduction. To add it to the video when they gave Norvie the Rockefeller chain. Who gave it to them?

Um, you did. Where is it? I'm not... Hey, where's the chain? He never signed a deal. Can we talk about why you never signed a deal? You got the chain and never signed the deal. Why did you not sign the deal?

Oh yeah, Nikaandong. Let me tell you. Why are you saying to him? That was my first platinum chain. He changed your point, too. I got their names right. I fucked up. Shout out to arrogant Joe.

They show was great, man. That's the one you heard me that day when you called me. Don't do that annoying with that dumb face, man. That's your man. You did a show them slime that day and you loved it. Don't do that. They got you. They got you. They got you. They got paid for that shit. They got them. You got a good reason when I started that.

Tell us. They were so rich. No reason. Listen. Where's Alia? Where's Alia? Where's Alia? Where's Alia?

Where's Alia? Where's Alia? What did Poppe tell you that, why you didn't say? Ali, what did Poppe tell you the other day? Come here, come here, Ali. I'm too rich. Whoa. What did pop tell him?

Come here, come here, come here, come on. The other shit, I'm talking about when we were using his credit, right? I gave him a manned their idea. Me and Jim Jones, we got a man, we got a billion-dead idea, right? That'll relax. So then we're not relaxed. I didn't say what it is. So, and then, and then Pops said, you gotta come to the money couch, right?

Correct? I never knew there's a money couch. But I went, and I sat down, I said, the money couch feels fucking awesome. And he says, that's it. I forgot, my point. The money couch. I know the money couch. What the fuck was I saying?

Pop Daddy. You brought Ali over here for something. Why you didn't know? What did you say? Why are you inside? Don't change the subject. Why are you in sign? Why are you in my son of me?

What the fuck I said this? No, no, no. It was like, we didn't know who was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, we were sitting on the money couch. What he said is, he said, sometimes say, I'm just so rich that it's just hard to care. That's what it is. That's what it is. This is the reason why I brought it up. Wow.

So, listen, listen, I want to make this clear. You're paraphrasing. I want to make this. clear. I wanted to sign the Rock. They were my niggas. They invited me to every movie they ever did. They invited me. So I felt there was something going on. And I was like, fuck it. I felt with y'all. No problem. Dame and Biggs, they never sent me a contract, not once. He said I never signed it. I never got presented a contract. Not one. I swear to God, I know you probably. Randy

I'm not even Listen, it Yeah, it Yeah, I was asking you I'm not even looking at Randy You know, like a signal Listen, it definitely didn't get sent to me

Like, but I was asking y'all, yo, send me the contract Y'all was like, be good Y'all put the chain on me I was like, you're good That was it And What's up?

Oh, Mo Yiala, let me hit that but that era in hip hop could never be duplicated in your opinion do you think that era in hip hop could ever be like you know DMX because again I'm sorry to keep referring to Irv

but Irv is the person that we just had on here and he dropped balls but what he was saying was every year it would be Rockefeller dropping a bomb did Rough Riders drop in the ball and then murder egg dropping the ball

we dropped every fourth quarter every year. Do you think that era can ever be duplicated? I don't care. It's going to be tough. It just can't even happen in today's industry. What you think, babe? It can't happen in this climate right now because the way things change, digitally. I know artists has a work ethic to do that every year, but it's just the game is different.

You all make things I'm crazy. Yeah, people putting out the music. I'm gonna tell you why I think, how the work ethic J has, Bays-Mager disagree, it to me. And if you think I'm crazy, it's great. Drake has a work ethic, man. He puts record out after record after record, but he just don't have the swag that people are looking for.

His work ethic is there, though. He wear Timberlands with no leather on it. Drake, I said Drake. Drake, I said Drake. Drake put out record after record after record. Drake put out record after record. But he went to Timmerlands and no letter on. He got a letter.

He got a lot. He didn't have a lot. But he got a work ethic. And he can say it's cornball. All can say it's cornball. The boy rap. The boy rap. The boy rapes.

The boy rapes. Okay, now, Biggs, has there ever been an artist that came to you that you wanted to sign? You didn't sign and you regret it? That I wanted to? Probably the only one week didn't go through a Scarface. Mm. Wow. Okay, everybody relaxed.

Wait, before the death game, revealed with Scarby's arm? Everybody relax. No, it was during. Whatever are you going to sign? It was supposed to be Rockefeller? Um. The fixed album that was supposed to be on death jam?

No, it was. No, there was on death jam. It was before that. I mean, we was talking to him. Because you know, we had a relationship. Scarface is on almost every album that we did, or All Beans album. So we was talking about signing. And then, and probably Twister.

We never actually signed. You know how much I just won't mean with you? Yeah, because, you know, Twister was like an honorary rockabella too. But he actually didn't sign. He did like you. One level. Your biggest keep coming You had Nellie?

You had Nellie? No, well, God bless. My man Trell brought me, he brought the album. But he was bringing me so much. I'm like, yo, take it to hip-hop, man. I can't listen to no more music. And hip-hop is your brother. Yeah.

And he took it to, what's the other than he? What's the other dude? I was managing Nellie. Kool-LU-LU-LU-A. And then they did it. And that was that album. This is the second. This is the second episode that fucking Nelly and Cool of Love gets mentioning,

you motherfuckers better to be in. Now, D, you motherfuckers better come here. Now, Dee, have there ever been an artist that came across their table that you fronted on and you regretted it? No, not really at that point, because I had more than enough artists. I gave artists away. Like, I had Mace. I had Mace. I had to lock.

I had all of them. I was, like, I had to give some weight just to be able to get it. Where you had Mace? We passed off. Yeah, Mace used to be, I had Mace. Yeah, Mace, I heard. Yeah, we did too. You, ho, all right, everybody, right,

and oh, ho! We had children to call Mace, and I think he probably went over there after the Let D talk. Hold on. So you had Mace? Yeah, I have Mace. Mace from Harlem. So, you know, anything from Harlem moving,

I'm pretty much going to be able to give my hands on it, because I know a lot of people in Harlem. So, Dee, we always thought you was from the Bronx. You're not, you're from the Bronx and Harlem. Both. I'm from the Bronx and Harlem. I'm both. But, you know, I was born in the Bronx, but I've been in Harlem all my life, so the bridge, I can walk across the bridge.

I'm good on each side, so we're all right. So it's all like, it's family, you know, Bronx. So I've been in Harlem so much, you know, I'm a Harlem nigga because I'm just like a Harlem nigga, but I'm a Bronx nigga when I got to get ugly. The Mace was actually on dead presidents. What? Yeah, dead presidents, yeah. This is a history. That's crazy.

Oh, on. J.Z. I can't even imagine what that sounds like. I heard that. I heard that. I heard that. So he had to be first, you're saying? He had the beat, but I didn't like the way he sound, so I took him off and we gave it to

Jay. So now, so now, okay. Because that's when children of the car, remember we had. Big Allen and McGrath and McGrath and all right. So there was never a version with Mace and Jay. No, not with, not both. Okay. This is the, the only one that we had that, you know, it was way back, is what

niggas didn't start or something. That was just on the mixtape. That's how I had them all right then at that. That's all of them was on there right there. That was the song right there. That's it. Yeah, we did a class for that, that's the history list right. This is, this, man.

You know we love you over here on this side. Why don't you take a shot? I'm drinking, I ain't stopped doing yet, bro. I gotta take a shot. I'm having a good time. You're having a good year. I don't know what that podcast you went to before. You know, you got me.

We'll talk about that later. Yeah. You. You know what's up? What's up? My person I don't stop. I can do this for eight years. I'm Gary.

It's easy for me. It's damn short. You got to do your own podcast. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to get educated. Yeah. We got you.

We got you. You got me. You got me. I forgot what's called, what? What? Beyond. Beyond.

You want some Beon? Yeah. Rats up Beyond. We wake you on. You know. Energy. Good vibes. So now, Biggs, at some point, you guys made Christyle famous. All right?

Yeah. Damn, you're going to that route down. Now, Christal... I don't want to talk about that shit. ...was so expensive for the average person in the hood. You guys made it famous, and then at some point you guys pulled away from me. I would like to describe, if you can. Describe the moment of making Christall famous and the moment of pulling away from it.

I think we probably started drinking it. 93 92 something like that yeah yeah it was actually at the dead president's video actually we was trying

in 96 we was trying to find a new champagne so LeGrand Domb and what's the other one Vive? Viva Clico? Yeah so we found that but they didn't taste

as good so we kept drinking it but that was back in 96 Did he have discovered Christ out Yeah three four years prior Okay yeah so at 96, we was already done with it. So what happened the moment where you felt like,

where you guys felt like Christyreau was racist? That was years, years later. You know, that was, I mean, we felt other companies was racist. That's how we got in Armadale because everything we was doing for Belvedere at the time, putting that in songs and making that popular. And then we reached out to Belvedere to get some cases for a video, and they said, no. So we did another song, and then we tried to get a deal with them.

And then they said, no. So that's why we did. It's just Belvedere. Yeah, so that's when we did Armadale. And then yeah, I said, fuck that. Same thing with the clothes, with Iceberg, and that's why Rockaway started. So what? Okay, so it went, because he said that very, very fast.

Okay, so you guys tried to get an Iceberg deal? Yeah, we tried to. Because Iceberg was the hottest clothes line at the time. We got to talk about that. See, a lot of people don't know that. When you say Iceberg, people are thinking just whatever, right? but no Iceberg was that wave Iceberg was

It was like damn their Gucci Bitch you're mine from shopping off right Huh? The base on what I'm talking about Around my way No It was played out there Stop talking Harlem talk

It was talking to the world It's so disrespectful man He says played out by then fuck all you all you Yeah So So So So

Now I So you guys go to Iceberg? Yeah, we reached out the ice park. You say, you say we just want gear or you guys want to... Yeah, we try to get first. We try to get some clothes. Uh-huh.

They said no. Right? So after making it popular again, the same thing like we did with Belvedere, that we reached out to try to get a deal. And they didn't want to have none to do with it. So yeah, that's how Rockow. That's how Rockaway started. That's how the music business started. That's how the music business started.

Every time somebody closed the door, we went to it ourselves. You invented. You all invented your own thing. Let's make some noise for that guy on that. Yes. No, no, no, no, you got a tweet to the mic. The nigger can't hear you. Okay.

Well, I just want to know that. Kareem to Kareem. Alright, listen. But in hindsight, when y'all became millionaires or whatever, and... You mean from the music business? All right. All right.

I'm going to be... You're going to get mad. You're going to get mad. He got him. Slown! I saw you're alive. No, no. No, no.

You're not. I swear how much of disrespect you. He said before the music business. Now I'll get money. I'll get it. I get it. I get it. Now, what I'm saying in hindsight, like, when you start doing with big company,

because at first you said that you thought that a lot of people was, all these companies was racist and everything about or whatever. I didn't say that. No reaction. So you said that, whatever, y'all didn't think that, whatever reason. reason you're reaching out with them and they wasn't

fucking with y'all and do you think in the beginning I think they just shitting on your or whatever for whatever reason you think they ain't

dealing with you but when y'all become dealing with bigger companies and everything like do you think that they were just misinformed

by why they wasn't doing it or anything? I mean I can't say why they didn't want to do it or not but what it did is motivate us

to go harder so we just use it as motivation so there was no racist shit going on I don't know you didn't care it was like No, because somebody said racist.

This is why I really was saying that he was... Not somebody. You know what I said it? Oh, you said that? All right. Come on. You can't be acting. You didn't be basing your shit over me.

No. He didn't disagree. Oh, yeah. He didn't disagree. You know what I'm a talk. But I didn't. Big Big Bigger. Perform music.

Oh, hold on. One more thing. You got. He chimed in. I wanted to say something about for a minute. Okay, bro. It's hard to find a man that loyal. These days.

How I grew up, how you grew up, you know what I'm saying? I'm 44. I'm 45. So, you know what I mean? Like, it sounds crazy sometimes when a man is that loyal. But that's, it's hard to find a motherfucker like that. And I motherfuckin' respect you for that, man. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a kid. Yeah, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I used to hang out with Gary. Thank you, man. And everything I spoke to this nigga, I'd be like, yo, I'm about to get a good hero.

You'd be like, yo. You know, you know, love heroes. No, no, you know, son. You don't know, you're not coming. You, no, no, no, no, pause. I'm not a dick rider. I just love the niggins. Nobody said.

Poof, that's my brother. I love him more than a B. You know that. Not getting to my point. I just love them because they put me in a position that a normal person can't get into if they didn't love me. You know what I just said?

Don't tell that mic. I was making $70,000 a year, and I didn't know shit. And I learned it. Loyalty, that's what he's talking about. That's what I'm talking about. No, no, something I'm going to say about this. He's talking about me, you're talking about me, you're telling him in a point. You don't mean about each other.

What I'm saying is that I did love rock. That's all I knew. When they wrecked with damn guys. That's what he's saying. He's saying, you was loyal to one brand and nothing else. And when you laid a dad's no. You was the first person I ever looked at it said. Loyalty is too much.

My mother didn't like that anymore. I've never dealt yourself for that shit. You know, no. My son, did I come to the studio every day by myself? Did I come to the studio every night by myself? That is the crazy thing. That's I meant all y'all. I made my boo.

I mean, you, all y'all. Let me relax. Let me relax. Listen, let me just tell you out. Let me just reveal the secret. Young guys bleak, all these niggas will go make albums and would go presented to Rockefeller and Rockefeller would be like,

nigga, you made that as Suns script. We're not paying you for that. Right? And that was cool. So they somehow Bleak put everybody on. Norrie has his own studio. So what we're going to do

is we're not going to say it's Norrie's studio. I had a, because remember, my studio is on Madison. Happens is my shit. This gets so funny. The name of my studio was called, The Hood Lack. But the invoices is called Madison Incorporated. How is to stay in the Hoodla?

Big, big, big. Big, big. Big, big. Big. Big, big. And he'll make me throw my weed away, too. He hated haze. I don't throw my haze away.

I'm like, biggs, I got to throw it away. He's like, you want some of this marijuana? Yes, I do. But, so look, this is what all the rock up from the artists used to do. All the rockabella artists would be like, yo, if I go do my album on my own, Jay and them niggas is never gonna pay me. Because they know that this,

but if we inwages hood Madison, so I used to invoice, and I had all, keep it real, G, I had every Rockefeller artist. And Biggs had to prove it. And Biggs, no, no, Biggs, Biggs knew what I was doing. No, no, no, no, it's like, right, one thing by Biggerald Biggs like music. We would make a record,

we were producing. Biggs is my boss, you understand. Biggs was like, bigs like records, he's approving it. No records, no music. Am I right? What did I say? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,

tell on, tell on, tell on, my name. What did I say? What did I say? What did I say? Really? You said he, um, your favorite exactly, a CEO. Why?

Um, you, I forgot why you said. You got a... Remember. Remember, chill, I'm not gonna look at you. Because he approved, what? Oh, you say he approved, he approved, and he approved, and he gave you a chance. You said you just said the same as that thing.

I just told this to my... I'm not a sucker, relax, relax. I'm just saying what you... I'm helping your... You don't have to help me, it's my man. No, you're not helping me. I didn't just be big. How are you esteem it for the people?

I know big since he was like 18, big's been up since it was like... I didn't want to talk about that shit, man. It's a ridiculous for years, man. That's my friend, man. His big brother was my mentor. And Biggs is my man. You don't have to talk about Biggs. Everything, Biggs houses, I've been everywhere.

Biggs, his father, recipes, his mother, I knew everything. My line of Biggs? I was there eating with Biggs, talking, this is a good dude, man. So I don't like when you just do this shit, like, like, Biggs is somebody like, I'm a groupie. That's my man. So, what he's going to say. You're normal.

Biggs is normal. Biggs is normal. I'm not. Bigsman, Bigs is ridiculous. You're talking to the mic, sit there. I'm not having a lot. I'm getting mad because he kept saying, you've been to big's house.

This is my saying you keep saying. You know, man. Listen, I'm doing. It's all good, it's all good, it's all good. No, no, no, you're going to relax. Listen, here, isn't there. It's a deal. It's a great show, Slum.

Is it there. I just want everybody to understand. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get one second. Let me get one second. I just want everybody to understand and realize me and this guy right here Eric Fernando Dan you got to throw my government out there but when we started this shit we sat together and we said to ourselves

there's every format for a new artist to come on like if you're just new and you just know you had you had one record and you know what's that shit called milly rock You know what I'm really about? You got your platform. You know, we respect that. But we sat around and said, where's the platform for people who've been in this industry, you know, more than five, ten years,

and where's the platform for them to respect them? Correct, EF? Yeah. Correct. To talk about legacy as well. Legacy. And this is the reason why I'm honored to be sitting in front of Biggs, be sitting in front of D, and be sitting in front of Big Face Gary,

and then be sitting in Stingraise. Stingraise, correct? My man. What address again? 2150, 5th Avenue. 2150, 5th Avenue. This is the reason why we are honest. Thank you, man, thank you.

The thing about hip-hop is when you get a certain amount of years in hip-hop, people want to tell you that it's over for you. People want to tell you that you're done. You guys had a successful, clothes company and you start another successful clothing company and you in Barneys and you in Nordstroms or whatever you got his own right-ups and these people want to say you can't do it again and the thing about it is our platform of what we represent is we can live forever because hip-hop should have a limit to it when you

You sit around and you look at the Rolling Stones, you look at the Rolling Stones, they're actually still touring. Yeah. Highly respected. Their publication is still actually in existence. Why we can't do that with hip hop. Why we can't be, why we, you know what I'm trying to say.

What I'm trying to say is why we can't be our own. Like why we can't, we get it, certain people gotta be on, you know, reality shows and certain people, but we have to, uplift our people forever and make sure that they live forever and make sure that their legacy live forever so that's what Drink Champs is about

Yes Okay That's what Dream Champs is about saluting D from Rough Riders You know Biggs You guys are the impenemite of CEOs Yes In the time

Big time bosses In the time where CEOs Matter Yes Big time bosses And we may never ever see that ever again. We just might not never see that again.

Yes, Lord. So if nobody else were big y'all up or salute y'all. And I'm sure people salute y'all up. But I would like to do it on camera, notify. So I don't know how many. Yeah, that too. I don't know what's going on out there. It seems fun.

Dice game. I'm ready to go to the kitchen. They got dice game in the kitchen. You know, Biggs, I can't thank you enough for being so honest with me. For being so truthful with me at the time. And even when the break that was happening, you never lied to me. You kept it real with me. You kept it.

You gave me a brief conversation, but it was real. You didn't say, uh, you kept it real. You can't be real with me. And the thing about that is I can only salute you for that. I can only bow down. Oh shit, damn. Mike hit me. All right.

D, same exact thing. You guys dominated whatever you had to do. What you ever knew you guys was dominated? You guys came back and you never changed on me. If I needed a DMX feature, if I needed a locks feature, if I needed a Jay the Kid's feature, you always cleared it for me. And the thing about it is, I missed the error when you guys was in the forefront. Not saying you guys are not in the forefront now, but what I'm saying is I missed when

you guys was actually in the building. Yeah. You know, because now I'm a media guy. So now they invite me as a media guy. You got to ask you. You got to relax. So now I get invited. to the building but I'm like kind of media so they're like you know we got such a such

shooter who what's his name and they want me to cover him and he want me to interview this guy I don't like that's not you guys never seen my show I salute legends I salute people that been here people that have more than 10 years or more in this game because if you don't have more than 10 years in this game you have hot 97 you have power 105 you have You have the entire internet. You have the entire internet. But to get on this joint, you have to be 10 years or more and be a legend. Okay.

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podcasts. The thing about it is... YouTube brothers along with Big FaceGad live some of the most craziest eras in hip hop

like DMX and JZ had to be the two most craziest most opposites popping at the same time

yes because X was I mean to my mind he's still out of his mind that's my nigga I love

And then Jay, he's the most put together person in the world, but money, cash, holds works. How does that? How does that work? I mean, Jay, you know, he goes anyway, so it depends on whatever song he's getting on. That's what he's going to be. Yeah, my. Jay rap, that.

He was the first rap I see in my life, man. And my big bias is, I know Jay. He's just a monster. He doesn't prove it already. He did too much already, man. He did it already, man. I can't believe this shit, man. You're Swiss, I'm a swan.

Now, Slum, I can't believe this. Then you got two greats. Yeah, bays with my friend. I'm a bitch for years. Bays with the young hair. You're laughing. Oh, your joke. Bix's here. Slum, you're saying. I'm your friend. Fuck rap. I'm your friend. There's about thousand years who love me.

50 ugly. 50 Denzel and they love me and I love you all this shit crazy man I'm super happy I'm super happy you made my day man okay G this

it's a beautiful thing you threw me off I'm gonna try to be you can kill me all night no I wasn't killing you I killed you for 30 seconds I love it I love it I love it I love it I didn't even respond

I got bad jokes you know I got you I know you're an animal you can kill me He killed me on camera. He came me all night with him. Yeah, yeah. Rock and full of this, hero, what jay, hero?

No, no, no, no. That was nice, that was nice, that was nice, that was nice. No, no, no, let me just tell you. He's not. He's the first dude I've ever seen in the whole industry. Like, he can't, no, no, I promise you,

I'm not even trying to be funny. I got it. You came to my studio one day, and everything I said, he was like, yeah. He kept naming a rocking for the artist, and I was like, gee. No, I'm sorry, gee.

I'm not, jeet. You're not kidding about a problem, you're killing me. No. And I said, gee, do you know this is a life? Like, you know you could go home, you know, eat your girl's pussy. And Rockefeller, no. Yeah, let me say, yeah. And Rockefeller got, let me do it.

I'm going to. If you come from certain things you're not used to, I'm basically going to hit that shit almost. I'm trying to go around. And then you come home. I ain't go off. So I'm making $70 grand a year. What am I supposed to do?

Count your blessings, brother. With guys who I grew up with this motherfucker. But listen, he's come to my studio. I'd be like, yo, what's going on, G? You're good? You be like, yo, you know, beans in the next bottle of them. And there's such a, I'm like, yo, gee, leave them niggas alone when you come here. Like this chick, I'm not going at.

You're killing me, killing me. No, I'm not. You're killing me. You kill me, kill me, kill me, kill me, man. And you was dead, man. He never, listen to me. And you was dead. This is the first time in my whole life, I said,

that's a, that's a, that's a version of being too loyal. Like, he was just too loyal. Like, what I mean was, he couldn't see, I'm not coming at you. You are I killed you, fine? No, I'm not coming at. I just never seen nobody. I'm bigging you up, baby. I'm bigging you up because, bro, it's my label, man.

Yeah, the loyalty was so crazy, but at the same time, I was like, gee, you know, a seesaw goes up and down. He only received the up part. And then I was like, yo, you gotta, you don't come down. You gotta come down. You get my son, Slime, this ain't to Bays, and I almost got evicted. Oh, shit. I have no idea we're going.

I'm going for me to be the asshole. It's your Bays was never, this gave me in business. To Bings never told me no in my life. I don't know where we went, but I'm in. I'm just being, let me do what I do. You kill me a little. No, I didn't. No, I did not, yeah.

My point was that there was hard times after rock a damn jazz music and then it was time was stressed out before that part way before that bays had a rule this may get madman I don't get a fuck but here he'll make up gee whatever I do for you don't tell nobody beautiful it's a beautiful it's a beautiful rule I don't remember shit still don't remember but by my base I'll say it's a front base you was there you know all right let me say This, this again Biggs a little bit. What's your big brother, my man?

100%. I love that, man. He big, so I love like to death. When he died, it took a chunk out of me. By the mind is, when I need a Biggs, he never turned this back on me. Ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

It'd be bullshit money. I'm embarrassed to ask for $100, because I have a lot of pride. I ask the Bix for $100. He gave me $300. And your car made Dame Dash break out. Let's just throw that out there. What car was I had that BV?

Then I bought the cabdies. No, no, Dame Dash, one time we went in your car, and Dame Dash said, he got Hobbs. It's not me. I was just, I don't know. Let me do two shots. You can kill me. I can do two shots.

Don't do a shout-out. Shot at the upper west side. Shot of the Haitian sock by, I said, went in line. William and real. Pity boy, went to lie, man. Shown to my man. Hey, ball.

All right, I don't even know what I had, but I don't even know what I had, but I don't have the MPV, man, had the PBs. It was pop. Definitely wasn't there. It was like a Chevrolet. Definitely was the MPD days. I came later. But I wrote in the car, and I rode with Dame. Damn told me to his art district.

And then he couldn't sleep. I mean, he was just like. How about when the radio tone almost finish your career? Yeah. And you almost woke your house. No, that's... Come on, please. It's my brother.

That's my baby. Come back, you know. Let me sense. I'm joking. Bumby and Norrie are the only rap. What you said? Fuck rap we love. Norrie had a big-ass house, too.

It sounds ridiculous. Now, listen, let me take some big. Big is the only name. I used to come on something. I used to call me and say, I feel like you smoke a hay. What's his name, B2? Artu?

Is it a real side. Beeksing me for you. I had a big ass fucking cookie job. I mean, I'm going to look bad for bakes. Why you're a man selling weed? He's money funny? Why do people think you were selling weed? Biggs?

Get over to what I did Biggs for you. Now, let me talk about, okay, you get your son. Why do people think you were selling? I don't know. That's how he should buy a lot. I just to defend you so much. Me too. Me too, so they're only one.

Needs to kill you. Listen, we went to Amsterdam to get heroin, landed, and he still said, let's go get some sour. You don't remember that day? They're telling me, Biggs, they telling me Biggs some of the oil, I said Biggs buy pounds of wheat to smoke. Biggs called me one day and said, yo, come down. I came out my crib. He said, take a trip with me. I said, all, cool.

I brought no bags. I'm like, all right, cool. And we didn't Cheapy to Burr. I'm like, oh, cool. What type of trip will we take it? Niggins said, well, we going overseas. I said, oh shit, I got to get some clothes. I said, that's not what we would do over here, Sla.

We buy the clothes when we land. I wasn't a bowler like that back then. I didn't know what to do. So I was like, all, cool. I couldn't really back out. So I went, we went to Amsterdam. This is when heroin first, and like, there's the first time I ever heard of heroin.

I actually thought we were smoking heroin. But I just said, fuck it. I'm in way too deep to pull out at this point. Fuck it, we're gonna smoke heroin. Y'all niggins ain't laughing. This is like, fuck it. These niggins is mad. No, this is dead.

This is dead. This is dead. In my mind, I said, fuck it. Heroin, I'm in. It was some good weed. It was. It was wild. It was.

Don't get it fucked up. That shit was weed. That shit was... I don't know. And then you came back. Yeah. And then you came back. And then...

Then, like, the case happened about two or three years later. And people were saying, Biggs was selling Bud. And I almost spoke to like 300 people. And I'm trying to explain to people. Biggs is really a real smoker. That nigga ain't doing. he ain't doing. But this is, this is my, so I never actually

asked you that. So, what happened with the case? Again? Again, one more time. I'm part of that. Yeah, I introduced two people. It was a conspiracy, and I chose not to tell. That's the short form of it. It's a big, sterile, man. This big brother, business. I'm sorry,

Benzson. Take a shot of that guy. I'll tell you whatever you want me to do. Biggs from his brother's camp, man. Big brother, Big, Bob a lot, told me everything I know. I came this grease, he told him in life, God bless his soul, man. I knew that wasn't going to happen. I knew that wasn't going to happen.

Biggs, that was going to happen. That was going to happen. What was going to happen? Biggs told him what happened. The niggas knew that. That wasn't going to happen. Big said, give me that. But you know, Biggs got big time money,

so you have to wait for lawyers. Bigs promoting as much he's can. He said, okay, it's time to go in G. It's open. That's open. You can't gas me. I don't know that part, Biggs. Your Waze ain't that.

No, what's this is gonna do? Don't kill me? Nah, la, nah, nah, no, no. So now, Biggs, all right, look. I love this look, right. Okay, let's look, check, check, everybody, everybody. Please, give me one second.

Give me one second. This is, this is my time. So now, here's the million dollar question to the whole industry that I watched all your interviews and they never asked it, right? When you were locked up, right? It was so many rooms.

room with so many things and then you come home prior to you coming home Dame had actually did like a publicity run and he was quoting how you were mad at people

he was like Biggs is mad at Kanye Biggs is mad at Jay Biggs is mad at this yeah why you don't chill gee but you can out of me keep out of it but don't know kicko

so so Dane was just, he was just running with this, right? Well, Dane actually said, I've seen the interview on Sway. He said Biggs is probably going to be mad at me for saying this. Because that was coming from him. But I see the Brevers Club, he didn't say that. Yeah, so he did it afterwards. He fixed it.

Okay. So, why do you think Dame took that approach? I'm not sure. I can't, you know, Dame is Dane. But I didn't feel no way about anybody. All right, so now taking it from you coming home. You coming home. Did anybody act funny with you because of those statements or no?

No, not at all. Because I think the first picture we ever seen to you when you came home was in Madison's School of Garden, correct? With Kanye. Probably, yeah. And then, let me, I'm fake media now. So the internet went crazy. So, yeah, you could do that.

You got something to say crazy when you're ready. So did you think, did you, did you know how powerful the internet? was at that point? Yeah, definitely. You knew it? Yeah, of course. I wasn't in Siberia, I was in Philadelphia. All right. Or defense.

Yeah. So now you come home, you hear this backlash. You hear what's happening. And then the first thing is we hear, you say, you don't got nothing to do with it, do with that. And then you and J is in Fairfax And it's Supreme Block I forget when

Yeah Fairfax Yeah I call it the Supreme Block Because the Supreme is right there So they see you And there's no dang dash there Yeah and then two days later They see me in Day Did they see you in Day?

Yeah Actually you put that together Mm You can give me the prospect Go ahead, get back Yeah, talk about that What happens? What happens? Tell me about Biggs Yeah

What happened? You're really? He said to me. You was like, yo, hey, Dame up. Yeah, because, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I never said this, and I hope Dame is not mad at me. But I looked and I sent you a hold together. You had told me that, I think, prior to that, it wasn't then.

Right. You know what I mean, you had, I had it, but I spoke to him and seen him. Right. I had pictures with Jay. I had pictures with Dan. And I appreciated this so much because it's just like, when I see somebody who was with pun and now obviously pun is not here

I always want to give them that same love that if punner was here so when I see Rockefeller it's just I always think of y'all three am I? It's the same thing nothing changed am I an idiot for thinking that three no it's the trifecta

it's all of us Rockefeller couldn't have been Rockefeller without me Jay and Dan okay big time So now, let me ask you this. Still my brothers to this day, both of them. God damn, let's make some noise for big. So now, the reasonable doubt album, is that owned by you, Dane, and Jay? Yeah.

Yes. I knew that. I knew that. Sorry, bitch, I'm in disrespect. I was dead for that. I knew what happened in that project. Sarbio, curse me out. I was there for every song they fucking made.

In my line, bays? No doubt. I was there for any song. Reason of doubt? The crew ain't all that. Not me. Not bigs, they got drunk, and we just stood it, and we did record after record after wrecked. All of them, neighbors.

Yes, sir. I'm up to the west side, but that's my brothers. I remember my wife's from, big on from me. That's like, I'm on the west side, man. They know what I'm from. They know what I'm from. I got to do, man. It's what I do.

But now, this is slum. I got to say that, man. Bigs had a... It was all of us, though. Emory. Ty. And we Tom Ty. Big Tim.

Big Tim. Big Tim. Big Time. Yeah, sir. Big Time. Yes, sir. We hung out every knot. Boyermakers.

We eat the dive ball on 19th Amsterdam. Which ain't a boy maker. That's a beer with shots of bourbon. The tab, white people are not. The tab is $2,600. Gary, they're going to pay this. So let's just get it out of its way. Tata, 100% spray all color, right?

That's a fact. I don't get into that. Say, hey, you go with your shit. I don't know about that. I don't know none about that. Me, the bigs, I'm what you, I don't know about that shit. No, I ain't get Biggs on nothing. Biggs.

So I'm the Suckin'i. You mean, we got you to spill. Mad shit. You don't know. What's good spills? I don't care. Gary don't lie. There's great skills, Gary.

I don't lie. You love you, Graz. And I love y'all. We love you. We love you. It's a smoke. Bames. I don't smoke.

If you hit one, my life will be different. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. I had to drive home. I'm good. I got to drive home. You say I got to drive home. You ain't draw this shit. You live in Miami, nigga.

Where you're driving to? To the W. This is... I'm gonna live this crew. This is... This is special, man. You know, that's the word that we do. Let me tell you something.

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. You know my goal is? To be the second best show in America. You got to be the podcast. You gotta make it up. Y'all, because I got a... This shit is crazy.

You don't know that guy named me After Rockin'all Like after death That shit is crazy right here Yeah What we're going to do? Look at Biggs You had a hundred million dollars

Bays You piss me off Bix Bix Had a Rwanda wagon here With Bays lovers With a Out of a bunch of fucking money Played in great

He played the game Great So Bitt That over So Bix He was there. One of the shows that I would like to teach. Yeah.

It's called rap class, right? Meaning, I spent probably, like, D, Beggs, everybody, from 1997 to 2007, 2017, we might have spent, like, a million dollars in liquor, right? Shit. Ten times, more than that. drink we do we like to drink so but we still don't understand like people in the hood still don't understand like a good bottle of red wine that cost 600 dollars so I wanted to teach rap class meaning you know where you say I want to spend this but you get this yeah like I

see the pictures with I'm about to say hold but fuck that um Steve Stout you see that that or where Steve Stout was coming from Italy. I haven't seen. And they actually pulled Steve Stout over, and he was sitting there, and he had all these bottles. And I had, you know, I got white friends. So I had the white friends Google every bottle that he had. And every bottle that he had was like 3,700, 4,500.

But this shit that I never heard of. And I'm like, damn, I want to drink that. Do you think we need rap class? 100%. 100%. Let's make some noise from having that. Because that's real shit. We spend money on liquor, but we don't understand what we're actually buying.

It's just like when Hove said, stop buying Chris Dow. We didn't understand that he actually applied something for it to be replaceable with Aces Spade. Yeah. Or drinking something else besides the rock. Wait, no, instead of drinking something else besides a rock. I said, or that's what I'm trying to say. He's saying, that's what he, that's what Jay said. Okay, drink sarag.

He said, I love drink something else. I'll drink some of it. Columbia white. This is it me, man. This is me, man. Listen, when is Biggs going to smoke up for life? I don't know. No right now.

Yo, is it because you on your workout shit? You just beat parole, correct? Probation. Probation. Let's make some noise with Biggs. Yes. Okay, so you beat probation. I ain't beat it, I got it.

He finished probation. I got to relax. So, when is Biggs coming? You know this guy right here? His name is Jordan. He's the biggest weed grower in Rhode Island. Am I correct? No, because Biggs will buy your whole farm.

You got to relax. So, when is Biggs coming back home to the weed country? I don't know. You don't know? Right now, I'm just trying to. I actually just drink wine myself. That's it. That's it?

Yeah. Y'all remember at one point I used to come to your crib, and you used to stop, like, three weeks before you go to see the P.O. And then you used just to make cookies, and you just used me as you a other thing. You would just throw, like, seven ounces and you'd get one cookie. Without your head, Norrie. You watch your thing. It's my word.

You just watch me. There's a paranormal gun? You want to say, Barryle? Yeah, listen, I swear to God, I'm not lying. This man, I'm so different, man. It's my boy right here. It's the first time I ever smoke the volcano. You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, the volcano. Bracino. Nick, I had seven different things that I'm smoking. I'm just, I don't know. I'm too high, like. What can I do? He's like, take another cookie. You know, I miss, I miss bit the hobby.

You just cut in my eyes like three, four times a week. I'm not gonna lie, I think it was four or five times a week. Yo, yo, yo. My first date when my wife was like a big house. I was gonna get something to eat, got a little drink. I said, yo, look, we're gonna go to big crib after that. But you feel like a king, man. I'm gonna feel like a king, man.

How did we get back? I'm gonna smoke that shit. I don't smoke fucking weed. I don't smoke fucking wheels. You know our engineer. He did cocaine. Don't get mad at him. What you do is.

His name is cocaine. Cocaine has. Yeah. You're Dominican and Puerto Rico. Your hands, don't do it, brother. I only see him do coke on FaceTime. That's it. Nine persons.

Your artist, how was it? How was it just, you know, dealing with Rockefeller? Because a lot of people, they think it was just Jay, right? They think it was Jay and that's it. But you dealt with everything. As a person that was inside, how was it dealing with like artists like Pedy Crack?

Artists like a freeway. And, you know. I mean, for me, it was natural. There's people from the block. That's who I dealt with every day. So probably other execs where I have problems with that. For me, it was just natural. That's why they related to me.

That's why everybody gravitated towards me because I was just like them. That's a fact. What did I tell you? I went to Biggs to get you improved. I knew that. I went to the song. Yo, D.

I love you. Biggs. I love you. I love you. You came out of me way more than I came back. Go fuck yourself, Slime. You're way bigger than I will ever be in my life. I love you, man.

I'm just happy you have me here, man. You listen. I'm talking bullshit. I'm going to do a drop. Yeah. A picture. And then we're done. Thank y'all so much.

100%. These big champagne niggas, they did it way before me. I just want to know. Did you ever see the rosé like that? No. Keep you over it. Nice. Nice.

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