Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ KRS-One | (Ep. 5)

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this powerful episode hip-hop legend KRS-One joins us for an unforgettable conversation. From the historic battle with MC Shan and the origins of hip-hop to his views on Drake, Meek Mill, ghostwriting, and the evolution of rap culture, KRS-One drops timeless knowledge.He reflects on community, justice, and the responsibility artists hold. With stories from the early days of Boogie Down Productions to confronting P.M. Dawn on stage, this episode is a deep dive into hip-hop history, philosophy, and passion—straight from one of the culture’s most respected voices. A must-listen for the Drink Champs Army!Make some noise for KRS-One! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 -Originally published on April 22nd, 2016: *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more: 🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yo, hey, hey, Segwia. This is your boy, N-O-R-E. What up, this is DJ EFN. And right now, we are blessed with the legendary presence. Beyond blessed. We got to make some noise? No, no, no, hold on, hold on, because the intro was crazy. Yeah.

This guy right here, like listen, listen. Yo. It's beyond legendary status. They have the godfathers and this man is directly like my father in lyrics, like in style, and I directly try to be like this man right here.

And I send out the APB, try to make it happen. Let's big up Hakeem Green off top. Channel Live. Channel Live, Spark Madism, we love you Hakeem, but we got the blast master. We got the teacher. We got the father

directly. Temple of hip-hop. All that. The master. The dude who made it cool to learn in music and still be entertained. You could be smart and you could still thug it the fuck out.

Yo, the other day, I'm going to be honest. I'm watching Ride Along 2. And at the end of Ride Along 2, my kids, they are eight and they are six. And they sung. They said, woo, woo, this the sound of the police. And at that moment, I knew I was a great father. I knew at that very moment I was a great father when my kids knew the sound of the police. We have the one and only, legendary, you can't say hip-hop without KRS-One, in the building,

Drink Tips Mason! Oh, my God. Oh my God. We have landed. Yo, you know what the crazy shit is? I'm going to start the interview off like this. When I was locked up in a juvenile detention center, I had a CO who was taking care of me, right? He was, you know, holding me down. And he could have snuck me weed.

He could have snuck me liquor. He could have snuck me liquor. He could have snuck me books. But I wanted that criminal-minded album. This is real shit. You know how much of a big KRS fan I am. The track I wanted to do was Y'all Two Together. That's how long he's like, yo. I'm the biggest KRS-One fan, man.

Let's just make some noise for him being in the building. One more motherfucking time. Come on, come on. Cheers, yo. I'm the biggest KRS-One fan, man. Let's just make some noise for him being in the building. One more motherfucking time. Come on, come on. Cheers, cheers. Yo, yo, we got the fucked up noise making. So Blastmaster KRS-One, how does it feel to be in Miami? How long you been coming out here? Oh, man, don't even start.

We get into the history of that. Right. Yo, man, I've been coming to Miami since, what, like 87? We were coming up here, man, struggling, trying to be heard. And there was only a few places that actually like embraced us. Philly was always right there. Philly, Philadelphia, just the whole Philly. That's interesting. That like we went from New York to Philly. So let me start. So you think that New York artists, is that like the first market? Because that is for me too.

Like Philly was the first, then Connecticut. That's right. And see, look how you said that. Philly was the next and then Connecticut. Connecticut is right on top, like right there next to the Bronx. But Philly would get it first. Philly would hit you first.

If you did New York and Philly, Connecticut, Yonkers, all up. Boston was trying to see you, maybe some of the south like that. So going down to I-95, man, was like, I mean, big up the VA, North Cackalack, South Carolina. It was sort of like a rites of passage. You had to get out of New York, go down each city, each state on the I-95 and your final victory was Miami. If you made it down here...

Now what year are you talking about? Oh, man. See, this is where MCs was real. Straight up, you had to do clubs. Let me take you to the 90s. Let's come around 92. Yep, that's where I'm... Somewhere around 92. I was in jail. Right around there. Khaled was just 92. Yep, that's where I'm... Somewhere around 92.

Right around there. Khaled was just starting. He had a thing called the Temple. And even right before that. Even before that. Mother Superior was right before Khaled. Yeah, Mother Superior. Wait, wait, wait. You know who Nardwar is? No. He's this guy

who interviews people and he brings out props that will remind you of stuff. I have a prop. I have a prop. This is what I got at a KMS1 show in 92. Let's make some noise for Ian Fenn having a KMS1 autograph on a tennis ball. And that's my autograph too. It's authentic.

Authentic. So we're going to put that on eBay. It was a show that was supposed to be at the Called Underground Compound And it got shut down by the cops And we moved it To Zulu headquarters That's right There was no The AC wasn't on

We took the whole crowd Stereo speakers People were faking in the audience It was one of the And he started throwing these balls That was crazy That was 93 4

I was in high school It was like 92, 93 At the least At the least right Well it started right there. Wow. So you've been coming to Miami since then? Since then, breaking it down, crushing Miami.

And was it a hip-hop scene out here back then? Well, back then, Luke was the man out here. Two Live Crew was straight destroying the South. There was nothing else really happening, to be honest with you. But there was always that nothing else really happening to be honest with you uh but there was always that boom bap element in in i mean just i just have to say florida because you know from miami all the way up to what tallahassee even even gainesville jacksonville all that's boom bap that's so hardcore up there but luke but there was that divide for us in the city between the bass scene and the boom bap scene.

That's right. There was a divide. I mean, it had its own audience. You know what I'm saying? It had its own audience. And it was seen a lot as a New York thing. Right. But we were trying to build that identity for ourselves as a hip hop thing.

But our thing was way smaller. But I think the New York thing was way smaller. 2 Live Crew, Luke, that whole sound. So you're saying from the beginning when 2 Live Crew came, the South immediately accepted them as opposed to New York. You had to be hot in New York first before you go to Philly. Wait a minute. The second part is true. Yes, you had to be hot in New York first to go to Philly

with the exception of like Tap Money, 3 Times Dope, Steady B, even Jazzy Jeff Fresh Prince they blew up in Philly and convinced New York what it was but you have back then the bass scenes

I'm trying to think of dudes that were not so popular but Miami had a bass scene like MC Shy D Shy D come on let me hear that come Let me hear that. Come on, that's right.

And these dudes were doing it. The ghetto style DJs. That's right. So Luther Campbell and 2 Live Crew was on top of that. They came up out of that scene. They didn't really invent it, but they was just sort of the popular ones that was doing it. And Luke was just, I went to one of his concerts one night.

Yo, you wouldn't believe what was going on. And then on top of that, what makes it really, really hip hop on that level is that 2 Live Crew was the ones that were dragged into court on obscenity charges. And had they lost that case, rap would be sounding a whole lot different right now. They're the parental advisory. Let's make some noise for that happening. Come on, come on, come on. they lost that case, rap would be sounding a whole lot different right now.

Let's make some noise for that happening. Come on. Yo, you motherfuckers, clap your hands or we're going to kick y'all out. Come on. Even when you're rolling a blunt, man, stop and clap your fucking hands, alright? We got the blast master in the fucking building, alright? So, you got that

thing that I want to set up? Alright, play that. Play that real quick. I want to play something for you. One of the greatest calls I ever got in my life. And is that up? Has? No, yeah. It's cool.

What's up, my brother? How are you, man? It is the knowledge of itself. That's right, my brother. What's going on, man? I just missed your call, man. Yeah, man. I got you on speakerphone right, my brother. What's going on, man? I just missed your call, man. Yeah, man. I got you on speakerphone right now, man.

Let them dudes know, baby. Let them dudes know you the godfather of hip-hop. Cool, hurt. Yeah, I'm the order. I'm the first. Number one. Not five, not ten, not twelve. Number one.

That's right, baby. You the original OG. I could go for a few, but I'm calling on you. And you're the soldiers. Falling around and getting this money. That's right, baby. You the original OG. I could go for a few, but I'm calling on you. And you're the soldiers. Fall in line. Let's get this money. That's right, baby. You know I love you.

You're here either, man. It's overseas, man. Absolutely. You know I love you to death, Kool-Aid, man. You know what I mean? I love you, too. I love you, too, brother. I got your record in my repertoire when I go on the road, man.

All right, baby. Hold on. I'm going to take this off of this shit so maybe you can speak private. But, yo, man, just let the people know one more time. This is my Dyslex the road, man. Alright, baby, hold on. I'm going to take this off of this shit so, man, you can speak private. But, yo, man, just let the people know one more time. This is my dyslexia album, man. Tell them, niggas, you know what I mean? Word.

I got an album called Dyslexia, man. You're the realest in this game, my brother. The realest, man. I like the movie you was in, too, man. Aw, thank you, man. This the Godfather, Kool Herc, or the game speaking to y'all fucking assholes. Kool Herc right here. Tell them I'm the father, not the Godfather, Kool Herc, or the game speaking to y'all fucking assholes. Kool Herc right here.

I'm the father, not the Godfather. Godfather secondary. I'm the first. You're the father. The father. All right, my brother. Hold on. I'm going to hit you right back.

All right, Herc? Yeah, yeah. All right. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So one day I got a call from Kool Herc. Okay.

Right? Which is, for me, I'm a real hip-hop guy. You know what I'm saying I respect everything That came before me And when Kool Herc Called me I had called him something

I said You're the godfather Of hip hop And I said it once And he let it slide And then I said it again And he let it slide But then the third time

I said it I said Kool Herc Let these motherfuckers know you're the godfather of hip-hop. He said, Normie, hold on. Let me stop you. I am the father. Do you

agree with that statement? Yes. I totally agree with the statement. There's huge debate on it. Okay. Because everyone wants to take credit for hip-hop now, for its origins. We call technically, to be scholarly correct, Kool Herc is called the recognized father of hip-hop, the recognized father of hip-hop.

We call him the father of hip-hop. And the reason we call him the father of hip-hop is because Bam called him the father of hip-hop, Grandmaster Kaz called him the father of hip-hop, Pee We him the father of hip-hop. Grandmaster Kaz called him the father of hip-hop. Pee Wee Dance and Grandmaster Flash from this group and Crazy Legs called him the father of hip-hop.

Now, this is a family situation. All these guys, we all know each other. But you're their younger homies, correct? Oh, yes, no doubt. No doubt. Herc calls me the son of hip-hop because... Okay, let me break it down for me. Yes.

Right, for me. All right, for me, when I heard Herc say that he was the father, I automatically saluted that. And then I thought of Bambada as the godfather. Yes. And then I think of you, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, as the fathers. Right. Right? Right. Right?

Right. And then after that comes Wu-Tang. Like, we're your little cousins. Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, the Fat Joes, the Capone and Noriegas, the M.O.P. We're actually your sons direct. Like, I don't know Paul's. I know these new generation. But you're actually our fathers.

Like you, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane. And so I have to ask this question, with that being said, with the name being, like how is hip-hop supposed to respond to the Bambaataa? Like how are we supposed to do that? What angle you want to take it from? I just don't know. That's why it's a generic question. What should we do?

Because you being our father, whatever you say, I have to move accordance to it. Well, you know, first of all, controversy is not truth. What you want is truth right now. You want truth. But truth is also not truth. What you want is truth right now. You want truth. But truth is also not information. It's not gossip. It's not even conversation. For me, if you keep it

hip-hop, nothing can be taken away from Africa. Nothing. Just keep it hip-hop. But if you want to dig into dude's personal life and the accusations that's being made and so on, personally, me personally, I don't give a fuck. Personally.

Look, if somebody was harmed or whatever was done, y'all deal with that shit. Deal with it. That don't stop hip-hop. That don't stop what you did for hip-hop. Don't take away none of it. History is history. Right.

Right. But deal with that. That's personal. I don't even know what to say. Because I don't know the facts of the case either. No, but even if you knew the facts. Right. You know what I'm saying?

A person like me, I deal with dudes that are questionable all the time. Right. Not just if the accusation is rape. Right. I deal, I know dudes that are doing, you know what I'm saying? Right. If you know anybody from prison, if you know anybody from the shelter, if you know anybody, if you live really in the hoods, you know shooters, you know dudes running from the,

you know your man might have an open warrant on him right now. Right now. Like, right now. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. You know, I'm not judging these motherfuckers, man. This my nigga right here, yo. That's it.

Right, right. Now, what you do and your crime and your shit and your bullshit, whatever you doing, that's on you. That's you, my G. That's whatever you doing. That's how I always dealt with it. I can't pick and choose, say, yo, this dude right here. I mean, I was producing Just Ice's album, right? Right. Who's crazy?

I heard he came to Queensbridge by himself. Is this story true? Oh, yes, it is. Yeah, yeah. Let's make some noise for Just Ice. And we changed the subject, too. I was uncomfortable. Let's change the subject. Let's go. Yeah, but... I mean, he was on America's Most Wanted, is my point. Whoa, yeah. Let's make some noise for Just Like Me. Just like me. And we changed the subject too. I was uncomfortable. Let's change the subject. Let's go, yeah, but.

I mean, he was on America's Most Wanted, is my point. Whoa, whoa, let's make some noise for him. He in America's Most Wanted as well. Come on, goddammit. This is real hip hop shit. This is real hip hop shit, man. Hip hop is in the world like everybody else, like every other culture.

We in the world too. Like politicians with dirty bags. Like politicians with dirty. Bottom line is we are humans. Yeah, that's right. All of us are humans. We are all humans. That's right.

But now, with that being said, right, what is your favorite MC battle? Because, I mean, you don't have to, you can include yourself if you want to, but what is your favorite mc battle to be honest with you i mean there's a lot there's there's a few that i really enjoy whichever comes to the top of your head the first one that comes to my head is freeway and cassidy for me let's make some noise for krs1 knowing what's going on in the streets you know what's going on in the

streets no no that that's i mean it's old battle, but if you talk about showmanship, you know, instant rhymes on deck right there, that was hot. Okay. You know, I've got to ask you about the Drake and Meek Mill. What's up? How did you like it? Did you like it? Is it even a battle to you?

Is it your top 20 battles? I think it gave both of them credibility. In what way? I need you to break that. Well, because for me as an MC, like when people say top five, okay? Everybody got their top five. You know what I'm saying? But if you ain't battled, if you ain't did tours, if you ain't put no hits out,

if you ain't put somebody else on you ain't put no hits out, if you ain't put somebody else on or came from a legacy that was wild, you ain't even nowhere near the top five. So dudes is like, I'm looking for young cats today to really rise up to the criteria first. First,

where's your battle? You say you dope, bring it right now, because this nigga's like me out here, like straight up. I stay hungry. Okay, stay hungry. No, we heard you do this record. We're going to get to that. No, no, no.

We're going to get to that. No, no, no. Okay. So you claim you hungry. You claim, oh, yo, I'm the man. I'm a this and that. Today with social media, you could claim anything. And everybody.

So with Drake and Mills,s to me it gave them the credibility that they needed for even me to look at them as real mcs i like both of their lyrics by the way drake i think is underrated in terms of because maybe he's doing the pop thing or whatever but his lyrics is still dope from an mc perspective no let me i don. I don't want to cut you off, but there's been allegations that he had help on his lyrics. Ghost Riders. Yeah. You, how do you feel? I'm very curious of this.

Look, look. Because you do come from a day where people were writing Biz Mark lyrics. Right, that's right. And Biz Mark was up front about it. Ice Cube said, Eazy-E said,, Ice Cube write the rhymes, that I say. And to me, Easy E was one of the most killerest dudes out there. So how did you feel when you found out that Drake might have had some help? That doesn't disturb me at all.

It diminishes him in front of those that write their own lyrics. Okay, now those of us that spit the raw from our own heart, you really got to step up and come up to the plate on that level. But we're talking about emceeing as a whole art. Talk about rap as a whole art. No, if you got a dope writer that can make you sound like something, go ahead and get with dude. The issue is writing.

This is the issue, writing. This is the issue. Writing. Dope rhymes. I don't give a fuck where it comes from. Wow. Writer, whoever. Some of the dopest dudes, and I'm not going to call no names. Rhymes, you say, yo, it's like there's secrets in hip hop, okay?

Right, right. The dopest dudes had dude write for them. Right. That's not a problem. Now, me, I never had the privilege of anyone writing for me. Right. Okay? You know.

You're too smart. Nobody can write for you. No, but wait a minute. No, let me tell you. Let me tell you. If Rakim came to me with a rhyme, I'd say that shit. This is crazy. I'd say that shit.

This is crazy. I need to make some noise for that. Everybody, yeah, yeah. Make some noise. Yo, Drake, you have. Listen, Drake, send me the check I have just saved you I have just saved you

You are back cool In every community Drake KRS has said it on the Drink Chats podcast That he's okay Nah I'm okay Look Not in Real spitters that write they rhymes

Right It'll never be okay It'll never be okay With real spitters that write they shit Okay But that's our lane that's our category that's a level of excellence that you have to get to right okay now but my issue is right look here's the opposite okay some dude writes your rhymes and they whack

and you say them shits anyway i heard dudes say what rhymes that they didn't even write. Right, right, right. That's corny. Yeah, that's the issue. But if you got a real shooter with you, dude is writing raw shit, well, make sure he pay the brother. Right. Make sure he gets some credit at some point in your career. Right.

But say that shit. Right. Say that dope shit. Hip hop needs dope lyrics. Right. We don't need dope MCs. shit. Hip hop needs dope lyrics. We don't need dope MCs, understand? We need dope lyrics. We need the right, I don't care where it come from.

Your moms could write you some shit. If that shit is dope, say that shit. Let's make some noise for somebody's mom writing some shit. Come on, come on, come on. Yeah, for moms, write the lyrics, my G. You're saying it's just a vessel. It's just a vessel, MCs are the vessel. Look, if you really get down to it, come on, come on, come on. Yeah, for moms, write the lyrics, my G. You're saying it's just a vessel.

It's just a vessel, MCs are the vessel. Look, if you really get down to it, I don't write my own lyrics, God writes my lyrics. God damn it. So if you think about it, none of us are writing our own lyrics. We all, any MC that writes his lyrics, you know you sitting there with the pen, the pad,

or whatever, your phone, whatever it is, and you hum your shit out. You hear that shit from someplace else. there with the pen the pad or whatever your phone whatever it is and you hum your shit out you hear that shit from someplace else you're like criminal mind see he a dj so i know what he's talking about and djs don't even start with that you as producers you hear the beats before you hit the thing you know what you're gonna do before you do it you do it. You hum it out. You bang it out. But you hear something. So no one is original. No art

is original. We are all being influenced by everything and everyone. The corny motherfucker is the one who doesn't say, yo, my G wrote this. Give it three years, four years. You know, you made some success after you got on.

Pick your man up. Acknowledge your dude, man. Yo, this is what it is. Hit him with his cash. Yo, you know he helped you get where you got to go. Hit him with his cash. Make sure he's good and his family is good. That's respect in hip hop.

That's big respect. Now, in this day, like a lot of the OGs, they'll sit back and they'll be like, you know, I don't like this. Do you listen to what's going on now? No, they had their chance. They're over. They're finished. Let's make some noise for that. Now, fuck that.

Let's make some noise for that. Fuck that. They had their chance. That shit is over. Right. That shit's over. Fuck all that old school shit. All that shit's done.

So you do listen to the new school or no? Yeah. I listen to everything. Wow. So you do listen to the new school or no? Yeah. I listen to everything. Wow. Okay, I listen to everything. I was just with my man L.A. Sunshine. He put a book out. We was just kicking it up in the Bronx.

That's my G right there. Kumo D. That's my G. Busy B. No doubt. These are my dogs, no doubt. But let me see Joey Badass right now. Let me see, you right now let me see you

know yeah you know what I'm saying like like I don't want to call names but I'm just saying you can let me just you know but no I listen to everything man I just yeah I just absorb it all yeah I really appreciate you having that attitude because now I am, they call me an OG now. I'm 38 years old. No doubt. No doubt. Hip hop was born in what year? Hip hop.

Well, 73 is the scholarly year. 73. I was born in 77. See. So now they calling me an OG. That's right. And I want to sit back and I want to give back to this life. Yeah, we do.

So we're doing this podcast. I want to give people like you a platform to say whatever the fuck you want to say. You sure about that? Anytime you... You sure about that? No, no, it's okay. Yeah, yeah. We don't give a fidgety-duck over here.

We don't care if this ends tomorrow. That's why we're going to get you another drink. First off, this has been one of my accomplishments in life. You know, people got bucket lists. Wow. You know, you've always been a person that I've learned from. Wow. Like, whether you know it direct or indirect.

You ain't even asked me to pass the blame. Yeah, some foul people, but it's okay. I understand. From Kendall. So, oh, no, look at the ear things. So, you directly, you directly. Somebody said to me the other day. I understand From Kindle So Oh no Look at the earphones So You directly You directly Somebody said to me

The other day They said Jay Z And Jay the Kiss Raised me with their bars And it fucked me up Cause I was like Damn

Well then I always told people If you take KRS-One And then you take A little bit of Biz Markie And a little bit of Granddaddy IU That's when you get NRE.

But you notice, I never took none of y'all styles, but I was in fluids. No, you was out of... Don't let me start on you. That's three totally different people, but that's who made me, because you taught me that black is beautiful. No doubt.

And be yourself. That's right. Biz taught me, Biz taught me, Biz taught me, life ain't that serious, homie. Have some fucking fun. And then Granddaddy IU told me how to be

exact opposite of him because he was so smooth. Right. Like, I feel like Granddaddy IU was like the cane that never, I'm going to take it. It's my first interview ever smoking.

Yo, pick up Hakeem Green. My brother, my brother. Another legend with us. Another legend with us. Another legend that's in the building, Spark Madism. Let's just get into that, man. How did Spark Madism come about?

Damn. Well, first of all, Hawk was a school teacher. No, I never knew this. Let's make some noise for Hawk being a school teacher. God damn it. With the teacher. Okay. With school teacher. No, I never knew this. Let's make some noise for Hock being a school teacher. God damn it. With the teacher.

Okay. With the teacher. So he was one of the many teachers and professors. I was rolling, waited about 93. Hock rolled up and said, yo. So he kept coming to my lectures. I was doing lectures around. So he kept coming to lectures.

So I said, you know, you look like you were MC. You look like, you know, you get down. He had the braids back then. Yeah, he just started, that's right. He started, little twist. And I said, yo, you look like an MC. He was like, wow, how did you? So make a long story short, I heard him, I loved it,

but I said, the solo MC thing, not gonna work. We need two people, this is like, Doss FX was hitting, nice and smooth. Because they were signed to you, right? They were signed to you, right? Yes. Well, technically to my wife. And Mad Lion?

G. Simone was running front page records. Technically KRS was with the label, Channel Live, Mad Lion. For a minute, even Fat Joe. But we was closing the label, closing the management company at the time when Joe just started to blow. Wow. We was just coming down on that level. Same thing with, excuse me, Praz. The Virgin?

No, not the, before they were the, oh yeah, actually the Refugees. It was just Praz and Y Club. So you had a chance to sign were the food. Oh, yeah. Actually, the refugees. It was just Praz and Wyclef. So you had a chance to sign them? Yes. We did some of their first shows. Yeah, right. You fucked up. No, no.

You were supposed to sign the refugees, Garrett. No, no, no. We wasn't in no position whatsoever to deal with them. Right. Wyclef used to pull out a guitar. No, he still does it. In the middle of a mad hip hop. No, he still does it In the middle of a Like mad hip hop He still does it

It'd be weird You'd just be chilling He'd just start rocking out Like you know He was like you know what You go ahead But it was dope So anyway we got in the studio

And you know I grew up in a herb culture You know what I'm saying I grew up in Flatbush, Brooklyn, Church Avenue, right there, Erasmus High School, Wingate High School. Shout out to Prospect Park, the whole nine. Right. So I grew up there in the 70s. When you were born, 77.

77. I was in the parks. Let's pick it up for KRS Memory. His memory is always impeccable. His memory is impeccable, man. In Brooklyn. In Brooklyn. In Brooklyn. Bro, you trying to give Brooklyn some props?

Is that what's going on, Hakeem? So there we was in Flatbush. So I grew up in herb culture and not from the point of view like, oh, we just going to smoke bud. I was with rosters and the Ethihiopian orthodox church we had the bible open dudes were smoking toward the east chalice burned down rome every time the chalice burned you had to say yo we was like in that culture for real so it was like i grew up with like no problem like yo burn the bud what it's no big deal. What? Moved up to the Bronx when I became homeless like around 1981 or 2. So that story is true.

You was homeless. Oh, yeah, no doubt. About four years. That's how I met Scott LaRocque. Wow. He was a social worker in the shelter. But we'll get back to that later. Okay, cool.

Real. So I grew up in the culture. So for me, Peter Tosh, since 1971, was yelling for the legalization of marijuana since 71. Everybody know that the judges are smoking, the cops smoke, the doctor's been saying, this is the safest plan. In fact, this is the healing of the nation. This right here, Alzheimer's, cancers, you name it,

herb is the healing for that. But now you got this tax issue, and you got these dudes that don't want to give up their power. They get more money and more power selling it illegally. You really don't want the government selling weed. You really don't want that because the idea is that it's going to get whacked It's like, whatever the government put their, they can't even teach English correctly. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, anything that the government puts his hand into, it starts to get sterile.

It starts to get whack. You don't have no competition. Water it down. So dudes are like, nah, we want to grow that shit right there in Mexico, right there in Afghanistan, right there up in, and now Colorado, Seattle, they just went rogue with it and just said, you know what, we're just going to do it.

And I think it was done for the kids in the area because they're not locking their kids up. You know what I'm saying? They're not going to do that. They'd rather change the laws than see their kids and the family go through that. That's why I think it really got legalized. You could cite medicalists or medical that but really it's it's a it's an issue of going to prison families have been ruined by just smoking

a joint or having herb on you this is a plant that grows in in the world like how is the government like even allowed to tell you how you should think like Like that's the beginning, like if I smoke bud and I'm like yeah I feel great on this, why are you telling me I don't? Like the use of the word nigga for instance. Same shit. That's my nigga right there. I know what I'm saying.

Nigga I got three PhDs nigga. I write books nigga. What I know what the fuck I'm saying. Nigga, I got three PhDs, nigga. I write books, nigga. What? I know what the fuck I'm saying. But no, black people ain't supposed to think. We not supposed to have governance over our own mouth, over our own thinking. So if I tell you, listen, when I say my nigga, I'm talking, I really mean my brother.

Listen to how I say it. My nigga. That's my brother right there. Now, I just told you what it is. The problem is there's no law in the United States made by black people that white people are bound to respect. Imagine, we follow all their laws. What law do they follow of ours? There's no Latino brother that came and said, look, this is what helps Latino people right here. Y'all going to follow. We want blacks,

whites, everybody. You're going to follow our laws. We follow the Constitution. We follow state ordinances. All that's white law. But here's now the Native American law. Why are we not following? Nah. This country's not built on following anybody else's

law except their own. And when it comes to marijuana, it becomes an issue of freedom of thought. Like, this is how I think. Do you have the right to tell me what state of mind I should be into? Like, no, this is the state of mind that I feel I should be in. And as a matter of fact, the U.S. Constitution, it's federal law to be happy in the United States. What? The pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So if you get happiness, that's illegal?

If you're sad and depressed in the U.S., you broke federal law. You broke federal law. Wow. You broke federal law. The government should be doing, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, the spirit of it is all about liberty, justice, freedom, happiness. For all. For all.

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Come on. A crazy hip-hop story is you went to the Palladium. What's this? And you threw PM Dawn off the stage. Damn. I got to get this story. Let's make some noise for I got to hear the story. The rest of you.

Yo, that's when, like, you've been my hero. But, like, it's like, that's when I made my choice for Malcolm and Martin. It was like Martin, like, I still think Martin was killing people at and Martin It was like Martin Like I still think Martin was killing people At night Like when he went Like I still think Martin was a shooter

Like I still In my heart In my heart But Malcolm Malcolm was like Straight up I'm gonna shoot you back So when Chris

I call you Chris Yeah no doubt I'm very I feel like I'm honored To call you that So I felt like The minute you threw PM Dawn on stage,

it's like, yes, he can teach me, and he'll still whip your ass. That's exactly what I wanted. That's exactly what I asked. Make some fucking noise. Come on. So what did he do for you to throw him off the stage? I never really got that part of the story. Well, if you want the scholarly approach.

Nah, we don't. We're the nigga approach. Okay, well, here it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, dude start mouthing off in Details Magazine. Okay. Okay, now this is now, this is the mood that we're in around this time. I think we're, I forgot what year this was.

This is 98, 90? No, no, no. No. Oh, no, it was 92. 92, okay, cool. It was 92. And was it the Palladium? No, it wasn't the Palladium.

It was a small club in Manhattan. I don't remember the name. It was one of them clubs that had, like, Car Wash was. That wasn't the name of the place. That's just the name of the night. The night, right. It was Sal Factory. That's big about Hakeem Green.

Hakeem, that's right. Come on, come on, K. This is what's going to happen. So Sal Factory. Okay Factory. That's big up Hakeem Green for remembering the class. Hakeem, that's right. Come on, come on, K. That's what's going to happen. So Sound Factory. Okay, wait a minute. Now, here's the mood of it, 92, okay? Around this time, this is when, like you said, knowledge was just hitting hip-hop.

Hip-hop was some ignorant-ass shit, okay? Of course, you did have Run-D.M.C. You had Houdini. You had those who were actually rocking On a supposedly more intelligent level Especially Run DMC With It's Like That And all type of records

I'm sorry I just got to salute you In the mid interview Just do that You know what I'm saying First off you know Just for the viewers to know K.R.S.1 is drinking a Mai Tai And it's a good one

He's drinking with a drink chair If you haven't traveled You probably don't know 1 is drinking a Mai Tai. And it's a good one. He's drinking with a drink chance. If you haven't traveled, you probably don't know what a fuck a Mai Tai is, okay? No doubt. So this is a Hawaii drink. I would like you to continue the drink. That's how you know

K. Harris has been getting our money for a long time. Well, he was in Tahiti or something. I'm with this shit. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for coming again. I'm sorry. Thanks for opening your door.

Can you continue your story, please? Okay, so anyway. So anyway. So the mood in 92. I was about to pass you the weed, but I'm going to slow down. Nah, I'm going to slow down. I'm good. I'm going to get you later, though.

Yeah. Look, this mood, this time is when I had just put out You Must Learn, the Stop the Violence movement. Why is that? And then what's the PM Dawn joint? What's the joint he got out? I don't know why he tested you. Why did he test you?

Let's just get to the point. Well, it wasn't just me. But he tested more people than you? Okay, all right. In his details magazine, he had said something pertaining to the fact, he said NWA is nothing. Chuck D is making mountains out of molehills.

Oh, we should have killed him. And KRS-One wants to be a teacher, but a teacher of what? We should have killed him. For me, it didn't matter for me, but Chuck at the time was receiving death threats because of the controversy with Griff. Griff had made a statement. The Jewish comments, Griff had made a statement. So Public Enemy was under real heat in America, okay? And this dude just sold like a million records.

So he had a really good year, you know, selling records. So he's just mouthing off. Like, it's our time now these Don't worry. Can you drop the drinks? Don't worry about you know, these dudes is over NWA ain't nothing Chuck deep public enemy ain't saying nothing care rest this so I let it go for a minute So this this this was like over months. This is like this one time. No, no, no This is over appear and This was like just one time. No, no, no, no. This is over a period. And it wasn't just him. So I had also a little running with X-Clan around the same time.

No, I've never heard this story. Okay, me and X-Clan were going back and forth. I mean, Brother J was, you know, calling me Captain Human and this, that, and the other. Is this his? Well, that wasn't directed to us. No, but it was them. But it was them. Yeah.

And if you're battling me, then maybe it was. Wow. So there was X-Clan. Bam chilled it all out back then. Because X-Clan was Zulu. Right. Okay. So he cooled it all out.

We had a press conference and just kissed it made up. That was the end of that. Right. Cool. But there were others, dudes in the hood. For some reason, they felt, people felt that if you come out advocating peace, knowledge, wisdom, I was coming with you, my slur. That somehow, are we supposed to be soft?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somehow, what, are you going to run up or i don't know what it was and i was naive because all my dudes was straight gangsters like i'm talking about i'm trying to take dudes off the street convince them yo we can go on tour man you ain't gotta do this you ain't gotta do that and dudes is like yo if you could show me another way out of here we could do this So I'm trying to take These dudes

And we trying to Leave the hood Okay we trying to be Positive We got to stop The violence movement And PM Dawn And here this dude come

Yeah Let's get to it Okay Arrest ain't Shabba babba babba He just got finished With X-Clan With that

Um Lynch Mob Had made a statement. Ice Cube. Self-destruction don't pay the fucking rent. Oh, this is after self-destruction? Yeah, this is after all of this. This is why you a real gangster.

This is what it is. This is what it was. Make some noise for him. You ain't going to blame me. We're going to stop the violence. But if the violence comes, we're going to bring the violence. And so for some reason, they thought it was soft in my corner. And so PM Dawn is not from New York, correct?

No. What is he doing? He came to New York. I don't know what that was. So I want to know the altercation. Did you say something to him or just do him on the stage? No, no, no, no. How it happened.

No, no, no. This is what happened. So he made his allegation. And he made some other allegation on the radio or something like that about he was ready to battle or something or some kind of lyrical something. So I was like, great. Let's just take it right there and leave it there. You're calling my name out.

What do I got to do with you? I'm doing my own thing over here. But he was riding a wave that was saying That groups like NWA Public Enemy Boogie Down Productions They bullshit And we the shit Hood dudes Is bullshit

This is the new shit And so There was a big party For T-Money Back in the days T-Money was a Your MTV Raps host With

Ed Love and Dr. Trey Big party in New York. Everybody, the industry was there, which is why we had two chances. He was going to play in somewhere. He was going to play with his own show. He was going to either go there, or we could go right here to Manhattan,

where it was popping. And we said, you know what, let's do Manhattan, because the industry is there. This is T-Money's birthday party. We said, you know what, let's do Manhattan because the industry is there. This is T-Money's birthday party. We said, you know what, let's set it straight real quick right there. A couple other dudes was in the crowd. They was called, yo, KRS ain't shit. What the fuck?

They were in the crowd too. So when I got there, we was so amped. Like we was just so, and when I say we say we Again I don't want to call no names And put nobody on blast You can if you want You can if you want But you know Just to color the story

And give you some background on it So It was me there It was Just Ice Queen Latifah Latifah had her crew Naughty by nature Naughty had they crew

Cause he dissed Naughty And them too And them too Well In them too. Well, no, no, no. No, no, no. They was just there with you. They was just there with me. This is the early days of Flavio.

These last crew right here. This is the early days. Tretch is my nigga, so I already. This is the early days. I can picture the scenery. I can picture the scenery. Just picture early Tretch, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They all giddy. Like, yo, When do we go Oh so you set it up Cause you know Let me just tell you something I don't know if you know That is a trend now When a person has a beef with somebody

They book them for a show Right And then when they come out They'll do one or two songs Right And then they'll bum rush the shit Right But you set that trend

I don't know if you know that Well you that trend. I don't know if you know that. Well, you know what? Yes, I don't know if you know that. We didn't mean to. Well, you set the fucking trend. Let's make some noise. The KRL. It is.

It is, dude. Right. Look, so we went up. It wasn't a setup in the sense that we knew we were going to go there, but we knew we had two choices. And it was like the day before we knew we had two choices. Right. And it was like the day before. So we chose this one.

So did you actually talk to him prior to that? Oh, no. No. So you just waited for him to get on stage? Just waited for him to get on stage. As a matter of fact, the word had gotten out because I said, yo, I'm here to battle. It wasn't about throwing nobody off stage.

Okay. I'm still, stop the violence, yo. Peace, my G. We're still rolling like this. That's why it was so controversial. That's why it was right. So when I jumped up, what happened was I think one of his boys or something, he had a little crew with him, somebody with him.

So when we jumped on stage, I remember Super Cat. I can't even front my man Super Cat. He said, Chris, let me go on first, man. Let me go on first, man. Before you do that, man, let me go on first, man. I me go on first, man. Before you do that, man, let me go on first, man. I was like, yo, and Cat went on. He did his thing. Then PM Dawn went on.

We let him get through one song, and then we all jumped on the stage. It's like, yo, let's battle. Let's get it popping right now. So the whole crowd was like, oh, let's go. But something happened. This man, somebody jumped out. It was like, fuck that. You know,. This man, somebody jumped out. It was like, fuck that.

You know, he was trying to do some shit. It was like, yo, fuck that. We here with all shooters, my nigga. Why don't we fuck that? Throw them niggas off the stage. That's what he wants. Fuck that now. Make some noise. Preparation.

Start it, Trey. That's it. Yo, that's nice. Yo. Trey Ave just did that to I Love McCannon in New York. In New York. This is a fact. I love for I Love McCannon. I love for Trey Ave just did that to I Love McCannon in New York. In New York. This is a fact. I love, I got love for I Love McCannon.

I got love for Trey Ave. But when it happened, it immediately. I didn't hear about this. Oh, now you are. So I immediately, when I synced it, I said, this is, I don't even think Trey Ave know that this originated from that very moment. Like if you disrespect and you come to the person's town, you are liable to go off the stage. And drinks is liable to throw at you and you are allowed to feel uncomfortable. But you started that trend and I applaud you for that, sir.

Come on, one more time. Everybody, make some fucking noise. But being that we're on the topic of self-destruction, stop the violence, one thing that I've always wondered, why do you think that we haven't been able to recreate those movements in hip-hop? Because when that came out, and We're All In The Same Gang came out,

those records, they were cool to the youth at the time. Yes, it was. We loved those records, we knew the lyrics. No, but see, the people. And I know you've been doing, you've done, you've continued to do those records, but they haven't touched the pulse of the youth at the time. We loved those records. We knew the lyrics. No, but see, the people... And I know you've been doing, you've done, you've continued to do those records, but they haven't touched the pulse of the youth anymore.

Nah, hip-hop is not conscious. Okay? Like, people got to understand that hip-hop, its raw essence, that shit is gutter ghetto. Hip-hop is ignorant. Okay?

That shit is... At its core. At its core. That shit is raw ignorance, the... At its core, at its core. At its core, that shit is raw ignorance, man, just straight up. But all the best things come out of that shit. Right.

Okay, the darkness, that's where the best shit comes from. Out of this shit, look, it takes feces to make things grow. All we eating is shit. Manure.

You know what I'm saying? Manure. It's the most honest. So, that's why I say go back to the movement. When we did those records Stop the Violence and Self-Destruction,

look at the dudes that were doing them. Those were street dudes. Street dudes, yeah. That's why we love them. Okay, that's why, right. But now all them dudes got shot up and went to jail.

Right. Nobody, there's no one else, like maybe some younger kids today or maybe some of the younger artists today if they care about their community when we were coming up with gangs and excuse me and crews and stuff like that we we cared about the community still like we would still smack a young kid up and be like, yo, you better go to school, motherfucker. I know your moms. You know what I'm saying?

You would still get gangs like that. Today, it's too individualistic. Right. Even dudes who are real gangsters, they not really in the hood. They do,

they gangster on the phone. They pushing their thing through different mediums. Now, we didn't have none of this shit when we was coming up. I'm sorry to cut you off, but you know what the crazy shit is? I just thought about it.

Like, you know, hip-hop, we got our own little version of Chitlin' Circuit, right? Like, where you go. So back then, in the 90s, I'll say 97, 98, I had to go to Virginia. I had to go to North Carolina. And when the dude told me, yo, I run the block, I had a choice. It was 15 seconds. Not 15 seconds on the internet. But it was 15 seconds that I had to say, I believe him

or I fucking don't. We didn't have Instagram. Like right now, dude would be like, yo, I run the town. Check my Instagram. Couldn't hood check him. That shit don't fucking register with me. But you know what I'm saying? Because they'll have a picture with like, you know, whoever's the popular people at the time. But back then, in the 90s, I had to go to a town,

and I had to make a decision in 15 seconds when a dude caught me in Foot Locker and said, you know me, I run the town, fuck with me. And I had to study his mannerisms. Right, you had to know. Sometimes, these guys lying, they're good. But a lot of the times,

they're official. You don't have time to go look at. And nowadays, when I go to a town now, they be like, yo, go get with such and such. And I gotta look at this guy's Instagram. But it was real love. And your generation

was before mine. so how was that like just traveling the U.S. back then you had to know people man you had to really know like what you just said right there brought me back to like okay tell you a story right iced tea okay this is way back uh big up iced tea coming on the show as well. Shout out to Ice-T and Coco. This goes back to Darlene. Okay. This is his first wife. This is his first wife.

That was on the cover. On the cover of Power. I'm a hip-hop nigga. Just wanted to let people know that. I know that. Ice-T, this is the realest dude ever. Okay. I don't know what y'all know about TV.

I don't know what that shit is. Okay? I don't know what y'all know about TV. I don't know what that shit is. Okay? But in the 80s, Rhyme Syndicate in L.A.? Okay, you had to know these dudes. Oh, you wasn't playing. Oh, so you're saying

you couldn't even go to L.A.? You couldn't even play. You couldn't even play. Today you can book shows. You know, Live Nation will book you. It's all good. You know book shows, you know live national book No back then it was only dudes that were hustling that was booking rappers

So it was like, you know, and and and and it wasn't never no shit It was it was actually the time we all was having a good time It's like we left all the guns, all the product and shit. Leave that shit now. Let's just go to Latin Quarters and have a good fucking time. Let's just go down to the rooftop or whatever. Fever. Fever or whatever. Everybody just was like that.

Everybody left their shit in the car. If there was any beef in the club, you'd see dudes running outside to their ride. And that's the shit would pop off in the parking lot. But we had to know people. You couldn't just be a rapper. There were so many rappers that were dope on the mic and even had hit records, but they couldn't tour.

They couldn't travel. Because back then, people were still getting robbed for their change. Just the idea of wearing a gold chain in the club. Well, you know what I'm saying. You know, but look, I tell you this. It's on YouTube though now.

It's for YouTube. It's for YouTube now. You know, MC Search, you know, Far Rockaway Queens. Third Base. These were the only white dudes ever, ever, to walk in Latin quarters with big gold on them.

Now, Latin quarters, where was the original Latin quarters? Because I went to Latin quarters on 96th and Broadway. So the original Latin quarters was on 48th Street and Broadway. You see, you learn something new every day. Across the street from Popeye's Chicken. We used to eat that bullshit and go across the street and tear that shit down. Nothing but hustlers in there. And if your rhymes was whack,

you did not make it out. Like, you went out insults or niggas scheming on you or you had to have security walk you out. You know what I'm saying? And I took pride in that shit. I was like, fuck y'all niggas, man. I'm getting this shit in right now. And they just loved in that shit. I was like, fuck y'all niggas, man. I'm getting this shit in right now.

And they just loved it. They loved my whole shit. And the point was that we were spitting conscious shit. We called it reality rap. Yo, man, fuck these cops, this court, the shit we were going through. Fuck the DA. These motherfuckers are corrupt.

Let's talk about the government. That shit became conscious rap all of a sudden in the 90s the title switched and now all of a sudden we were supposed to play this role of being conscious rappers who didn't fight or argue and this shit and it was like i never rested i wrestled i i never settled this in my own career. You know, me, I consider myself a God man straight up. I'm all about peace. But this world, the minute you say you're standing up for justice and wisdom, these dudes want to try to see you. And I love shit like that.

I'm like, I'm God's like worst. I'm sent here to make you think like, yo, that's that. We can get that dude right there. I'm like,, like, worst. I'm sent here to make you think. Like, yo, that's that. Yo, we can get that dude right there. I'm like, mm-hmm. It's a beautiful thing that you ever did. And shit changes in the dark. Right. Come on, follow me down here.

You hear me? See the skirt? I'm wearing the skirt. Come on down here. Come on. So here's where I want to go. Here's where I want to go, Carell. You're taking me back.

How did the beat start with Shan originally? Oh, man. Was it the record or was it something on the side? I have to know this for my own because you're my favorite rapper. I don't know if you know that. We wanted to be down with the G-Skool. But I hated you when you did the Bridges Over. You had 50.

I just got to be clear with you. Let me tell you something. You made, any killers in Queens, you made them. Because, I'm going to just tell you. Wow. Because you said, we didn't hear. That's a horrible thing to tell. That's horrible.

It's a great, it's a great horrible thing. Because you know why? We had, on Rikers Island at that time, was the toughest place. I mean, it was the hardcore-est place to go. And if you was from Queens, you would just walk by and people would be like, Queens? Right? And I don't know if you know if you started this, but you said, I didn't hear a peep from a place called Queens. And we had to fight every East New York nigga, every Bronx nigga,

for niggas to be like, Queens niggas is official. No doubt. Like, he just took out Shan. He didn't, damn. I've ordered that wrong. If she's Shan, don't blow me up. Listen, I'm just being honest.

No doubt. And at that time, you changed the face of hip-hop. Because you single-handedly, so I need to know, how did this start? Was it beef with Marley? Was it beef with Shan? Was it his whack-puma sneaker? Mmm.

What was it, Chris, that make you go off like that? Yo. First off, we in Queens didn't know there was a South Bronx. We didn't know it was a North Bronx. We just thought it was the Bronx. So when, all right, so I need to know this. This is for my own history.

How did this start? How did this start? First of all, rest in peace to Mr. Magic. Let me start right there. You don't care what the weed smoke, right? No, come on, man. Come on, respect. Rest in peace to Mr. Magic, okay?

Straight up. Now, that's who started it. He started it. Let's bring up Mr. Magic and start. Mr. Magic, no doubt. He's going to travel. Rest in peace, Magic. Rest in peace, Magic. Rest in peace, Magic.

We wanted to be down with the Juice Crew. Let's start right there. So, and this is Molly Marl. This is Magic. Okay. It's Magic and Molly. Magic was the, first of all, there was another Juice Crew before Magic. Let's name the original Juice Crew.

The original Juice Crew, I was first, I don't know all of them. I think it was Melly Mel, Kaz. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is Juice Crew. That's a super old school. I don't know this. I don't know this at all. This is the original Juice Crew out of of all, I don't know all of them. I think it was Melly Mel, Kaz. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, this is Juice Crew. That's a super old school. I don't know this. I don't know this at all. This is the original Juice Crew out of Disco Fever. They were the original Juice Crew. Magic was part of that

crew. Okay. Okay. So he kind of took the name and the second generation came up, which was us. And so he named his crew the Juice Crew. But he is the only one with the ring. There was rings, there was like 13 rings that were given out for this Juice Crew.

So he was one of these dudes with the ring. So he named the thing Juice Crew with his man Fly Ty as well. Ty was big with promotion and marketing. So the idea was battles were huge on the street anyway. If you was an MC, you was always battling your man. You was always in the cypher spitting shit. So that's what it was.

But none of that was ever reflected in mainstream media and rap, whatever. Run DMC, they was crushing shit. But they was still, you know, rapping. They was still like performers. You know, it never was really what it was on the street level. So we went to Magic. We wanted to be part of the Juice Crew. We wanted to be produced by Molly Maul.

Right. Okay, but Magic was the Juice Crew. He's the one that put everybody down. So Roxanne Shantae just came off of a battle with UTF-O. Right. Nice battle. All these Roxannes came out of that battle. Let me bring up Roxanne Shantae, little sister.

Fast team while I went to school with her. Wow. Continue. Roxanne Shantae, she came out, UTF-O, nice battle. So MC Shan came out and dissed LL, called him a beat biter, because the word on the street was that LL, uh, bit his style, the Kangol,

the Deeders, the Pumas, LL, that's the track suit. And in a way you look just like LL from the early days. If you look at early LL, it was some kind of similarity. So LL was mad about that,

I guess. And, uh, started going at, I'm not LL, I'm sorry. Shan was mad at that and started going after LL. LL never answered him.

But I did. Because Magic took our demo, so the story goes. An engineer told us this. We handed in our records, two records, Criminal Minded and Elementary. Oh, and a record called Advance, three records. We have got to Advance, three records. We gave it to them.

They said, Magic said, this is corny. No, we're not doing it. And supposedly flung it in the garbage. But not in front of your face? No. Okay, good. This is an engineer telling us. First of all, we couldn't even talk to Magic, okay?

Because he was that big. He was that huge, okay? Security, he was the man, man okay we couldn't even see him we had to do the cd through somebody through somebody through somebody and the word got back yo whack get a body here wow so mind you I'm homeless in the street. I'm riding the train back and forth, the D train. Scott LaRock is a social worker. At the shelter, I get to, you know, sometimes I'm at the shelter, sometimes I'm not. Me and Just Ice was in the shelter together.

So some nights we'd hang out all night. Some nights we'd be there. But Scott had to go to work every day. I worked there at that shelter. So we got back and Scott was like, yo, they said it was whack, my G. I was like, yo, whack? Shan is whack. How my shit ain't whack, what are you?

So I'm 20, you know what I'm saying, 21, 20. I'm cocky. I'm arrogant. I'm already known in the Bronx. I'm a graffiti writer, really, named KRS. And I'm writing on the 6 train and the 5, the 2 and the 5s. We hitting the bus yards, Fordham Road bus yards. So I'm already on my shit in the graffiti world.

Right. I write graffiti also because of you. I'm just throwing it out there. I was on my shit bombing buses and trains. And we were trying to get into the rap deal, hopefully to get some money and get out the hood. They said, you what? So I wrote The Bridge Is Over first. Wait, before the South Bronx?

Yeah, before the South Bronx, I wrote The Bridge Is Over. Because that was more my shit I was on some reggae shit So I was like, yo, I used to listen to Shinehead Actually was my inspiration Shinehead I used to listen to Shinehead, Michigan Is Smiley Yellow Man, Lieutenant Stitchy

Major Macro, Ninja Man I used to go on and on I used to blast all that So he was like, what are you doing here? This is his great show. What is this dude trying to do, man? He's got a role with it. Okay.

He's got a role with it. I didn't know either. So it's like, so I'm listening to all that, but Scott was like, first of all, Scott started to get down in his spirit because he had already shopped our music to everybody. And they all turned us down. They said it was too educated, too preachy. You don't sound like the rappers out here. Because we were talking about nuclear war, the government, this kind of thing. It was like, nah, rap don't need all that.

I know about Lunati because of you. I'm just telling you. But we were on that shit in 84. Yeah, I'm just telling you that. Anyway, so we was like, you know, nobody was going to sign us. No one wanted us. So I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I wrote The Bridge Is Over. I said it to Scott. Scott was

like, nah, man, because nobody's gonna play that reggae shit. Nobody want to hear that shit. They want to hear like Run DMC and this. So you're telling me The Bridge Is Over was wrote before Shan actually dropped The Bridge or was The Bridge out? telling me The Bridge is Over was wrote before Shan actually dropped the bridge? Or was the bridge out? No, the bridge was out.

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I thought he was telling the truth. I'm a child. All right, I was born in 1977, all right? What year did Shan drop that record? That was like 86. 86. So technically, how old am I? Nine?

Like 10? Nine years old? Nine? You're like nine. So I believe Shan. That's for sure as a nine-year-old. But I've never been to the Bronx. But wait a minute.

Here's the real of it. Okay, go ahead. We both were wrong. Okay. Wait, wait. Me and you or you and Shan? Me and Shan. Okay, tell them.

He said, you love to hear the story again and again how it all got started way back when. The monument is right in your face. Sit and listen for a while to the name of the place.

The bridge. Okay. That caused the battle. That's the one. Because you knew hip-hop originated in the Bronx. Oh, duh. I was going to 123 Park watching Bam. Right.

Okay. So now as we go. So it was that line that made you furious. Well, no. It's magic said we was garbage that made us furious. Comb it was that line that made you furious. Well, no. It's Magic said we was garbage that made us furious. Combined with that line. Well, that line was the excuse. But Magic wasn't from Queensbridge.

No. Magic is from... Magic, he's from Brooklyn, I think. From Brooklyn. I'll continue the story. No, but... You hear this record, MC Shan, and it bothers you. Why?

Well, first of all, Magic just dissed us and basically was harping on the fact that his number one MC was this dude right here, MC Shan. So being from the Bronx, hungry, broke, poor with nothing, we said, you know what? That's food right there. Let's go get him. This is crazy. And so we said, yo, we wrote up. I wrote the bridges over first.ott didn't like it he said no nobody's listening no reggae if you really want to go at dude come with some so

the original bridge is over was a reggae yeah wow okay yeah it was super cat books boom, boom, boom, boom. Big up to Supercat for that. Supercat lived in the left rack for a little while. No doubt. I was all into Supercat right then. And he had a record called Say Boop Stand. Say go on and hug him up. Hey. Say Boop Stand.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, yes. Put that to some boom bap. The same shit we used to do in the shelter. We used to hit the bathroom wall. So Scott didn't like the reggae version. He didn't like that shit. So then what happened?

You went back and? He put on this record that goes, hey, bro, I got that good cheap achiever. Boom, eh, boom, eh, boom, eh, boom. We got a minor track. Hey, bro, I got that good cheap achiever. You have to keep cutting that part out. So Scott's cutting that shit. And I was like, way back in the days when hip-hop began.

With Coke, La Rock, Cool Herc, and then Bam. People, Scott was like, oh, yo. You need to come with that. Next, like, three days later, he got his check. We went to the studio. It was $50. $25 an hour. And you get an acetate at the end. So it was a bargain. Like, the acetate was $50, $25 an hour, and you get an acetate.

At the end, so it was a bargain. Like, the acetate was $25. But they said $25 and the acetate. Two-hour minimum. We spent $50. We made a four-track. We did South Bronx and the P is free. The same day, two hours, one take. Wait, you did the bridges over South?

No, no, no. South Bronx and the P is free. The original with D-Nice on the beat box. day two hours one day. Wait you did the bridges over south? No no no south Bronx. Okay. And the PS3 the original with D-Nice on the beatbox. And we got a dub played out of it. So we took that down to Latin Quarters and Raul was playing Red Alert wasn't even on yet There's a dude named Raul Let's pick up Raul That is sidebar owner, right? Raul's my homie Raul's the homie

Shout out to sidebar Shout out to sidebar And what's the order, people? Is this here? Mingo Jason Jason I stopped

No, no, no, no Because I just figured Raul So continue this story We gave him the acetate. We gave him the dub play. The dub play. He put the shit on. From the second that shit came on.

The bridge is over. No, the South Bronx. Oh, the South Bronx. After Queens, but Queens is a huge hit record should play on the radio every day Oh the shit in the club dudes is up We were very proud How long do we have how long do we have how long in Queens were we? Month it was about a month I thought we had six months. No, no, no. That record was right out.

He gave us two months. It was like two months it was on the radio. It was like one month. The shit was heat. It was in the club already. And then kill that noise, right? No, no. Then he came back.

No, then Shane came back. No, no, no. Let's not skip. Okay. So we only Shan came back. No, no, no. No, no. Let's not skip. Okay. So, we only had a month. Right. Where it was okay to be from Queensbridge. Yes.

Leftfrack, 40 Projects. Yes. And then. No, wait a minute. Rephrase the question. No, you guys had like three, four years. Because I'm from Leftfrack. You had like three, four years.

Oh, yeah. Because, see, when Run DMC came out. Yeah. And LL. And then Shantay. You was cool with them. I'm cool with all of thatM.C. came out and L.L. and then Shantay. You was cool with them. I'm cool with all of that. So why did you and Shantay?

Well, wait a minute. No. Lyrically, I wasn't. Oh, you wanted to take them out. Lyrically, I wasn't. See, this was a time where you had to prove. Run-D.M.C. said an amazing lyric. I think it was D.M.C. He said, other rappers can't stand

us but give us respect that sums up the whole 80s with them do you feel like Run DMC was like a pop group to you back then? no no no it was nothing pop about Run DMC no don't know fuckers with straight hood okay Jam Master Jay

okay okay okay Jay was hood hood okay okay now run and d they were straight hood as well they came from different other parts of queens right right but queens the whole of queens is hood okay so it was like run dmC was just kings. They was just it. And you always took a shot at those who was on the top. If you was the little guy on the bottom, then that's what it was. It was like even Roxanne Shante had a line where I met Run and I met DMC and I said so. And it was like one of her dopest Like one of her lines and she had put it

But that was the attitude like You ain't large you ain't You know even though you are and you The man but let me ask you This question when he said hip hop Started out in the dark Was that something that directly Bothered you

Because you knew the truth scholarly yes But I didn't know the truth I thought I knew the truth? Scholarly, yes. But I didn't know the truth. I thought I knew the truth. See, this is young arrogance. I'm hanging out in the Bronx. North Bronx, South Bronx, East, West Bronx. The whole Bronx. Gun Hill Road to Millbrook Projects.

Okay? Whole Bronx. First of all, I'm a graph writer. So I walked the entire Bronx. My name is up. I'm a graph writer. So I walked the entire Bronx. My name is up. I'm the whole Bronx. So I'm running into parties, dudes. You know, we know shit.

And you didn't hear Pete on the Facebook for Queen? No, we did. We used to go to Queen's. Queen's had the dopest parties. So you did hear Pete? No doubt. All right, come on. Let's make some noise for Queen.

It wasn't Pete for Queen. We were by. Come on, man. You, so you did hear a peak. No doubt. All right, come on, let's make some noise for Queens. No doubt, there was a peak for Queens. We were vibe. Come on, man. You just had to sit on the mic. No, Queens, no. I get it, thank you, KRS. See, what it was, no, no, let me tell you.

My childhood is back restored. Look, let me say this, let me say this. My wife is from Queens, okay? Is that your wife over there? No, no, no, I'll put you here. No, that's the queen right there. Oh, that's your wife, all right.

Jasmine in the building. Are you from Queens? You just look like you're from Queens. I was going to big you up. I'm sorry Oh, that's your wife. Jasmine in the building. Are you from Queens? You just look like you're from Queens. I was going to big you up. I'm sorry. Bigger than your wife, Jasmine. He's looking for his queen. No, I'm looking for my queen.

St. Albans. St. Albans, Queens. See, this is what I'm talking about, man. Niggas don't respect this part. The nigga done married a woman from Queens. Let's leave this. Listen, on the island, people used to be like, Queens? Like, you started something.

So niggas from Queens at that time on the island had to spit out razors and Buck 50s. You might have originated Buck 50s. I don't know if you knew that. No doubt. I don't know if you knew that. But Buck 50s, because, listen, Queens was like. He's throwing everything on you. Mad murders. I do. I do mass. You don't care say He's throwing everything on you Mad murders

I do, I do Master don't care This is He's like my father Like, I mean And you blame your father For everything Don't we all?

Yeah, don't we all Yeah, don't we all But So, um Alright So, when you heard hip hop Started out in the dark You knew that

You knew that it didn't start No, I knew Cool Herc existed I knew Bam I knew Flash existed I didn't know them Right But their names were in the dark. You knew that. You knew that it didn't start. No, I knew Kool Herc existed. I knew Bam. I knew Flash existed. I didn't know them. Right. But their names were in the hood.

Crazy. So you knew Shan was frontin'. Yes. Basically. Well, I knew he didn't know. I don't even know if he was frontin'. Right. It's just that line was just... Because to us in Queens,

we actually thought that. That was real. Because we seen that. So go ahead. And he wrote about what he saw from his perspective. Right. And so wrote about what he saw from his perspective. Right. And so I put out the record South Bronx. And today

to be scholarly correct, hip hop started in the West Bronx. It never started in the South Bronx. See, that was my next question. Go ahead. It's the West Bronx. Cool Heart, 1520 Sedgwick Avenue, the Bronx. Okay, that's West Bronx. But we were so ghetto, ignorant, ignorant and gas to get on

a record we South Bronx South South Bronx that was one of my history books was where people from the other part of the Bronx with a steel chair oh yeah oh yeah everybody North Ross West was all from the South because even now like we're biggie you hear you hear Big E or you hear Nas or somebody shout out the Bronx. They never say the Bronx. They say the South Bronx. Right. And I always wondered, were people from the other side, were they offended by that?

No. It's like Big E shouted out on one record of when God bless the dead, obviously, when Big was alive. He was like, yo, I shouted out Queensbridge. And I was like, I'm from left frack. Like, I don't really get that. You're not shouting out the whole Queens when you shout out Queensbridge. Queensbridge is a 96 building that you come over Manhattan, and that's just that section.

But people that's right next door to it, Raverswood, Astoria, they don't recognize Queensbridge. We understand what you mean by shouting out Queensbridge and thinking it's the whole Queens, but it's really not. So I always wondered, was that the opposite when you said South Bronx was people in the West Bronx? The Bronx took it differently because the Bronx wasn't on the map. Brooklyn was on the map.

No, Brooklyn's still on the map. Well, there it is. Brooklyn rules. You could be in Dueselboff's journey, and you say, yo, Brooklyn in the house, and Buster White, yo, what the fuck? Brooklyn was the rule. Everywhere had that problem.

There was a record called Go Brooklyn. I think that's a Sonic or Mighty Mike Masters, somebody. Go Brooklyn. Go Brooklyn. That was it. That was the club anthem. That's Masters, somebody. Go, Brooklyn. Go, Brooklyn. Right. That was it. That was the club anthem.

That's what we did. That's what it was. So when I came with South Bronx. Yeah, that's where I want to go. That's where the Bronx was on the map. And then I mentioned dudes that were heavy in the Bronx. You know, Nine Lives Crew, Cypress Boys, Real Rock Steady. So what you're telling me is after you dropped the South Bronx, Shan dropped Kill That Noise.

That's what made you drop Bridges over? Yes. This is terrible. We should have never dropped Kill That Noise. No, never. Kill That Noise was horrible. First of all, it would have been over. It was horrible.

This is terrible. Well, actually, you know what? I got no horse in that race. No, let me tell you. When Kill That Noise came out It was a hit First of all that beat Think of the KC Sunshine Band beat

We don't believe you Karen That was crazy Biggie even used it again No way He used it That was the KC and the Sunshine Band. When he threw that on, it was hot. It was like, ooh, he came back.

It wasn't whack until the Bridges Over came out. I'll take it from there. First off, you're hurting my feelings, but I need to know how this happened. I need to know. Because you're my favorite artist at the time. I'm a child. And you broke my dreams.

Like, yeah. This is real shit. Made you a thug. Murder people. Yeah. All around the board. My whole life. When it's good, it's because of him. When it's bad, it's because of him. It's all around the board. My whole life. It's all in murders. When it's good, it's because of him. And when it's bad, it's because of him. He's my God.

Are you getting all this? Mad bodies. How did this session, how did it, because you said you originally recorded an original version. It was a reggae version. No, no, no. I never recorded it. Oh, just. I just said it in Scott's living room.

And Scott said no. He said nah. Wow. And so you did the South Bronx. So I did the South Bronx. And then Kill That Noise came out and did now... No, Scott got on the reggae

when he heard The P is Free. Oh. When I did South Bronx and then The P is Free on the other side. Mm-hmm. You know,

um, da-da-da-day, da-da-da-da-day. When we used to do that in the club that was the rock that that was the the record so scott was like what's up this reggae shit like what he started getting now he's on it now he was on it but then shan answered us would kill that noise if you knew what i knew you'd kill that noise and the record was hot for its time and so we was like you know what I knew, you'd kill that noise. And the record was hot for its time. And so we was like, you know what? We got this joint right here.

And Scott didn't even. So it was already recorded? No, it was all my record. Scott never recorded the bridges over. Okay. He never even. Well, he came for the mix of the second one. But when Shan put out his record, I went back to Ced G from Ultra Magnetic, who was doing our beats.

And he said, actually he was sampling. He had the SB-12. So I asked him, yo, give me some drums. I'm going to go in the studio up the block from Latin Quarters. I found some little rinky-dink studio like two blocks up. And I said, yo, Shan came out with this joint. I'm coming back. Went in there, and I produced the whole record.

I took Seji's drums. Boom, boom, bap, bap. Boom, bap. Boom, boom, bap. That's the same beat we did on the bathroom wall in the shelter. Boom, boom, bap, bap. Boom, bam.

And dudes used to just get it in. That was just the standard beat. the shelter. Boom, boom, bap, bap, boom, bam. And dudes would just get it in. That was just the standard beat. So we did that, put the super cat to it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I played the piano. One take, one time. You listen to the instrumental.

That's the sloppiest playing ever. There's errors, mistakes, all type of shit. But no one heard all that. Put my lyric down. the bridge is over, I did that shit strictly for Brooklyn. Straight up. Bronx, South Bronx, that was straight up Gun Hill Road. Straight up Westchester, Jerome, Grand

Concourse, that was straight that. This one, we say, yo, this is what Brooklyn is on right now, and nobody knows it. Nobody goes to the jams like, well actually actually, what is called the dance hall. The dance hall. They don't go to that. We was up in there with Stone Love and GT International and all of that.

So when he was talking about battle, he was like, yo, we're going to battle the way they do in Jamaica. We're going to spit in the racket back. Knees up, gunshot. And Americans never hurt. the way they do in Jamaica. We're going to spit in the racket back. Ease up. Gunshot. And America's never hurt. They was like, what the fuck? The bridge is over. What do I buy?

They didn't know what the fuck that was. It was like, yo, it was what it was. It was a sound clash. That's what it was called. Sound clash. I'm not even from the bridge. I'm just from Queens, but it still hurts, Karen. I'm going to take a moment of silence. Take that moment.

Let's drink to that. Let's drink to that. Cheers. No, no. I can't make no noise. No, no. It's that cheers. I can't cheer.

It's a sad moment. We should be pouring it out. We should be pouring it out. So why did you even respond to Shannon? This time? Shannon, listen. Let me just say, Shannon's still a godfather. No doubt. Of Queens Bridge, of Queens. Shan is still a godfather Of Queensbridge, of Queens

He's still a forefather But this time, why did you respond? Shan is the reason KRS-One Has a career Damn Let's make some noise for that In my opinion The greatest battle on record.

No doubt. On record, to me, it was the greatest battle because it affected, like, it changed people's lives. Like, right now, when I see people battle, it don't change people's lives. We just laugh at them and, you know. But this, like, Queens had to prove ourselves. No doubt. Like, we had to, like, you know what I mean? Like, South Bronx was the position where. Y'all had to dig ourselves. No doubt. Like, we had to, like, you know what I mean? Like, South Bronx was the position where.

Y'all had to dig out the rubble. Straight up. Wow. I'm an outsider, so I can say that. I got to go where he said. It's like Brooklyn has always been recognized. I can remember back in 97, I used to go to Atlanta and be like, yo, is Atlanta in the house?

And nobody from Atlanta would never, you know, say anything. And when I said, New York in the house, people go crazy. And I would say Brooklyn would be always my first choice. Brooklyn and these people go crazy. That's the issue we all have. And then I would see them backstage and be like, you from Brooklyn? Where you at? They'd be like, Queens Boulevard.

I'd be like, God damn it at double like Queens Boulevard I'm like god damn it yes this motherfuckers a lion motherfucker but you changed the game from that and so Shan responded to you recently yeah why did he start that or you started that he started it yeah he just yeah he did an interview well no no no no no no he did a record no no he did well wait he didn't do a record no he did he did um he did uh uh wait wait let me go back just for the record i was battling some other dude in pitts Recently? Yeah, maybe three months. You still battling with these cameras? No, I'm not. I'm crushing them.

Chill out, Cameron. Yo, your strengths. I come out to the supermarket, dudes be like, yo, Chris, I want to battle. I be having eggs and bread in my fucking hand and shit. Oh, it's real. I'm telling you, yo, it's a VR. I give the young kids a run for their money, man. You still got it in you like that for real? No, they got it's real. I'm telling you, yo, it's a VR. I give the young kids a run for their money, man.

You still got it in you like that for real? No, they got to test somebody. The young shooters got to know somebody. But nobody want to really test you, man. No, the young kids don't know my history, so don't tell them. Don't tell them. Let me spank that ass real quick. But the point is that I was battling some other dude.

Some dude jumped on stage. He was dissing. He was dressed like LL, holding LL's album, holding Chance's album. And I was freestyling. I said some whack shit about LL. I apologize for that because LL is up here. He's even before me. You know what I'm saying?

There's no disrespect there. But I was battling, and the battle is ferocious. He was like, he held up LL's album. I was like, bang, bang, bang. So you're telling me some kid just jumped on stage and asked to battle you? Yeah. Well, he just jumped on. He jumped on, so I gave him a shot.

Why? What you got? He spit his shit. It was corny. Nice. And so I started going in. Now, where you was at? Where was this at?

Pittsburgh. Okay. You did say that. I'm sorry. This is Pittsburgh. So in that did say that. I'm sorry. This is Pittsburgh. So in that, he put up Shan's album. And I said, we took Shan out already. What you holding this album up for?

Shan heard that and said, fuck him. He ain't never took me out. This, that, and the other. Do you agree with his theory? His theory is that y'all should have been in front of each other like how the battle rappers do now. Do you agree with that theory? Yeah. He just never showed up.

Dude, it's 30 years. It's 30 years. Dude, I've done festivals. I've been all up and down Queens. Right, right, right. Jamaica, I have like 100 times. That's a big fat card right there. Okay, all in Queens Bridge. All on Queens block. There's no excuse. Right, right, right. Jamaica, I have like 100 times. That's a big card right there. Okay, all in Queens Bridge, all on Queens block.

There's no excuse. Right, right, right. Outdoor festivals, come on, Summer Jam. Right. It's 30 years. And now he wants to do it face to face. That would be the end of his shit. If you ever want to see a motherfucker, that shit will be destructive.

I don't know what he's asking for, but I eat off this shit, man. This is my shit right here. You still have it in you. Oh, no, God. He's about to battle you right now. No, no, no. I'm not battling him.

I'm going to shoot somebody for him. I'm a DJ for somebody. Yeah, yeah, somebody. So you really went in the studio and recorded a new record. Well, he came out with head. So you really went in the studio and recorded a new record. Well, he came out with something. He did an interview, and he said some rhymes on the interview that he's coming at me.

So where I'm from, you don't just say that. It's like pulling your gun and not shooting. Like, what? You're going to pull your shit out? I'm blasting you. That's it. That's it. I'm not doing what?

Right. That's the end of it. So he said his little piece. So I put a piece out. So what did he exactly say? Like freestyle, the acapella. Yeah, but it sounded like it was written though. It had no heart to it, like a real freestyle. He was reading some shit.

And he read some shit off. You still have that in you. And I just said, oh fuck yeah. I'm going to Atlanta. I'm going to Atlanta. That's what dude is at. Oh, that's what Shan is at. Yeah, Shan worked at a place called I'm going to Atlanta. Right. I'm going to Atlanta. That's where dude is at. Oh, that's where Shan is at. Yeah, Shan work at a place called Club Babes in Atlanta. Okay, I'm going there.

Okay, that's where I'm going. I don't know where I just started. I don't know where I just did. That's where we go. No more buddies. I'm not even. Come on. No, no, no.

You want to see it? Let's get it popping. So you would be willing? Yo, drink champs. I think this is an opportunity for us, right? No, no, no, no, no. I don't want anything to do with this battle. I just want to see it online.

Loyal to Queens. I'm loyal to Queens, man. Listen, I don't really want to see this battle happen. Can you, is there any way we can chill you out or no? Nah, nah, it's finished. No? What did he say that ignited you to want to go out? It's not what is being said.

It's the audacity to even think that after 30 years, you got something for me. You are crazy. You obviously want more hits on your shit or whatever it is. Let me give them to you. Let me give them to you. Let me blink you up. Because again, let me give them to you let me give it to you let me blink you up because again let me also say this if shan never answered me i would not have a career okay saying from the south bronx from the south bronx okay that record could have been a one hit like if south bros came out we would

have had one hit okay we had no other shot shan answered would kill that noise, and he didn't have to. So we came back with the bridges over, and that's when we was able to follow up with Criminal Minded. We had four songs on the market. Now, Shan is the reason I exist, so the least I could do is bust his ass.

Right. Show him that love back. That's the least I could do. Right. You know what I'm saying? Show him that love back. And hopefully, I least I could do. You know what I'm saying? Show him that love, man. That was nice of you. And hopefully, I say, yo, somebody should write for Shan.

See, back to your first question. Right. For a circle right here. Back to the first one. Karis' first one. Now, see, if someone wrote for Shan, I would not be mad at all. Fuck that, man. Save that nigga, man.

Please. So you kept saying to him, you told him his name is Nas spelled backwards. No doubt. It is. You're a foul dude. He's the opposite. Yo, let me big up my nigga Nas real quick. Let me talk about Nas.

This makes him foul. Because you said, look, wait a minute. He's a math fan. What he's doing? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Look at this, man. Wait a minute.

Queensbridge was done until Illmatic came out. Okay. Just for the history. Okay. Queensbridge was done Until Illmatic came out Okay just for the history Okay Queensbridge was done Criminal Minded was the shit On that shit that was it okay I think Illmatic Was better than Criminal Minded That's my opinion

Um Um me being a Queens kid I can't understand Where you from, but me living in that era, I got to say criminal minded. If it wasn't a criminal minded, it wouldn't be an ill matter. We could say that. No doubt. No doubt. We could say that.

So, yeah. We could say that. I'm a real hip hop kid. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. We tried to hit you with a turn in this question. No, no, no. I'm sorry, K.R.

No, no, no. I'm sorry. I hit you with real nigga shit. No, you totally real with it. You know what I mean? Because you influenced Nas, nine. I'm sorry, KRS. No, no, no. I'm sorry. I hit into you with real nigga shit. No, you totally real with it. You know what I mean? Because you influence Nas, too. But you know what? You know what you are starting right now?

All right. Whoever's listening to us right now, go and listen to both albums right now. Back to back. Back to back. Listen to the whole Criminal Minded and listen to the whole Illmatic. I did that this morning. That's the crazy shit. Yo, listen, listen, listen.

You know, Criminal Minds is one of my favorite albums. It's two records I can't really listen to. But I listen to them. Damn. But this morning I just woke up and I was like, I want to listen to Illmatic. I don't know why. And I just listened to it.

And then I listened to Criminal Minds. If you want to switch to Champagne, you can switch Criminal Minds. Oh, look, there's another mic. What the fuck? If you want to switch to champagne, you can switch to champagne. Nah, nah, he all right. Yo, so I understand what you're saying, but me living in that era, I can 100% tell you Nas would answer the question the same way. He'd be like, if it wasn't for Criminal Minds, he wouldn't know, because you made us step our game up. You know what I mean?

No doubt, but that game got stepped up to the point where hip-hop changed. No, but you changed hip-hop too. Just in case, because I know you're a legend and you're humble. But you changed hip-hop. You was the first person. You was our Malcolm X. Let me break that down to you. No doubt. is because hip-hop had took a, like the PM Dawns, and it took a, hey, we're cool approach.

But we wanted to keep that attitude, but we also wanted to learn something. And that's the position you fulfilled. That's why your name as a teacher would never be tested. No doubt. At all. No one could ever say he's not a teacher because you taught us. No doubt. At all. No one can ever say he's not a teacher because you taught us. No doubt. The Wu-Tangs,

the Mob Deeps, the Cabona Noriegas, the Nas's. So, I can't agree with your statement. I know your statement is humble,

saying that Illmatic is better, but... I think it is beat for beat, rhyme for rhyme. No, but that's not how... Represent everyone.

That wouldn't be another. But that's not how history happens. No, I understand that's not how history happens because how history happens is they say you know this happened in order for this to be better I hear that I was coming from a different perspective

we're talking about Shan yeah you're a great guy you're a great guy we understand wait a minute how else was Queensbridge supposed to come back? No, but. If Nas had dropped that Illmatic. Now, let's answer Shan's question because I listened to the interview.

Okay. Shan is also a guard to me. No doubt. He said that Molly told him not to respond. What do you think of that? That's pussy. All right. That's pussy. Fuck that. God damn it. It was right for him not to respond. What do you think of that? That's pussy. Oh, I dare you. That's pussy.

Fuck that. God damn it. It was right for him to respond. I wanted him to say something. Fuck that. That shit's pussy shit. We got KRS.

You a grown ass man. Oh my God. We got KRS. We got KRS. That's what I'm talking about. Oh my God. No, that's pussy shit. Oh my God.

How the fuck a grown ass man going to tell you not to respond? We eating your ass right now, nigga. Somebody going to say, no, nigga, don't respond and shit. Right. Oh, man. This is real for me.

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before we do. I got to get out of here, man. Before we wrap this up, I'm the only Miami representative here right now. So it wouldn't be right for you to walk away without me to represent my generation We got to get out of here, man. Before we wrap this up, I'm the only Miami representative here right now. Yes. So it wouldn't be right for you to walk away without me to represent my generation of Miami hip-hop culture. No doubt. And when you recorded with Mother Superior.

Yes. This album didn't really see the light of day. For the lamest, this is your usually line. What's Mother Superior? Mother Superior is this dope MC that came out of Miami in the mid-90s, early mid-90s. Okay. And she was spearheading our movement.

I mean, there was those funky bastards, there was society, home team, there was, we had a bubbling movement that was parallel to the bass movement.

Bass, no doubt, is a part of our Miami culture. Right. But we had a hip-hop, and the way you guys were talking about how everybody was talking about the Brooklyn, the Bronx, or whatever, in the clubs, we had a hip hop And the way you guys were talking about how Everybody was talking about the Brooklyn, the Bronx or whatever

In the clubs, we had that problem here So what we're trying to do is Build our own identity He did a record with Mother Superior So, she did this album She got signed to Island Music That's right Strictly off of underground radio

She did a song called Rock Bottom Which was totally representative of Miami And then She did a song called Rock Bottom, which was totally representative of Miami. And then he did a record with her, maybe a couple, but this one record, I put on one of my mixtapes, but her album never came out. It got shelved.

And he said, where you at, where you at? Miami's on the map. I don't know if you remember that hook. He remembers everything. That made the world of difference for a Miami hip-hop kid. Okay.

And you couldn't leave without me telling you that because it made the world of difference for all of us out here. Let's make some noise for that. I felt it. Let's make some noise. Shout out to Mother Superior, too.

Shout out to Mother Superior. She was hot, man. And Brimstone and Harvick. Brimstone, word. I need to ask one question. Where was your mind at when you made the sound of the police? I was sick of these pigs, man, shooting us down in the street. And it's still going on.

And it's still happening. Well, it was going on since we got here. So what year was that, technically? 95. Damn it. What year are we at now? 2016. That's 20 years, 21 years.

And you made that record then. Yeah. And it's still going on now. Still to this day. Lil N.W.A., man. Fuck the police. What year was Fuck the Police? That was 89.

89. 89. 89. And see, this is the thing is, when people say, you know, black people are overdoing it. We have documents, records that says. Oh, no doubt. That these people was doing it. So, I would just like to say, what was the mindset?

You wrote this in the South Bronx? Well, keep in mind that. Okay. Wow, I don't even know how to say this, but in the Bronx, if you was really successful with your hustle in the hood, the cops was your friends. Talk about Larry Davis days. Yeah, they were. Larry Davis was right on our block. It was Larry Davis day. Yeah, it were. Larry Davis was right on our block.

Like, Webster Project. He was up the block from Webster Project. That whole thing went down. The cops was like, they were gangsta. It's like, oh, boom. Okay, to speed this up, Training Day. The movie Training Day? That happened in the Bronx.

That shit is every day all day okay just go watch training day and you'll know what it is one of the gangs it's just there's just another gang with another jurisdiction you said that back there and and this is what we was dealing with so if you remember in boogie down productions we had a we had a dude called robocop that was with us and there were two of them. One was a bounce, was the lead bouncer at Latin Quarters who was known for

breaking dudes up in Latin Quarter. He had a reputation. You didn't want to deal with this dude, okay? And there was another dude that was a state trooper, a New Jersey state trooper. When I'm posing on the cover of By All Means Necessary with the Uzi, the Uzi is from a New Jersey state trooper.

I tried to bite his cover, remember? In the studio. I tried to bite your cover. I had a chopper. I didn't look as cool as you. I didn't look as cool as you. Go ahead. That was from a New Jersey state, you were so weird.

Us, it was like, it got to a point where we was like, you know what, we can't associate with you anymore because of what was going on. It was a split like in our own community, because like, if you really in the hood, like you could be selling mad drugs, but your brother's a cop. Like, your cousin's a cop.

Your uncle's a cop. Like, you know, it's not just, oh, I'm a cop and everybody around me is clean. It's the exact opposite. Dudes that are cops, even today, they got to live with people. Like, imagine you a cop and every day you see crime all around you, every day. Like, you can just pick, okay, I'm going to arrest you today. How did you come up with the analogy from officer to overseer? Oh, but that's some old shit, because when we were first brought here,

not as slaves, but really as soldiers on the Spanish side, and then slaves on the Spanish side. And then slaves on the English side, although that's controversial too. Yo, Ha. Yo, hit. Yo, hit that. Yo, we gotta get you a new phone, KRS. I need that shit.

My shit is 80. You got a flip phone, KRS. We can't do that. I'm bringing that shit back. I'm personally buying you a new phone. I got a flip phone, K-R-A-S. We can't do that. We can't do that. Yo, I'm bringing that shit back. Fuck that. I'll give you. I'm personally buying you a iPhone. I got a beeper, nigga. What?

I got a beeper. Yo, listen. This is no word. I said, yo. I want a beeper. I got a beeper. I feel like I got a beep, K-R-A-S. We should do it.

We should do it. I didn't bring my shit. Yo, I got a beeper. No, you serious? I'm serious. No. I thought you fucking out. I got a beeper, man.

I can't hold my beeper, man. Let's bring beepers back, K-R-A-S. We got a beeper. Let's I can't hold my beeper, man. Let's bring beepers back. We got to do that. Let's bring it back. No doubt. Yo, fuck that. Yo, Karras. You want to get with Dream Champs, you got to beep us.

Yeah, yeah, you got to beep us. I'm personally buying Karras on my phone, though. Oh, well, okay. That's my word. Okay, okay, okay. So, you remember what you was talking about? Because it's Dream Champs. You can forget it and we're going to change the subject.

No, no. Okay. Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's okay. Listen. Rewind the tape. Cops in the community. No. Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's okay. Listen. Rewind the tape. Cops in the community. Oh, cops in the community. That's right. Signing the police.

So, the cops is always your friends in the hood, which is the weirdest shit. Right. Because when you're really in the hood, cops ain't arresting you and shooting you. These are bitches that are shooting at us. These motherfuckers, that ain't no real shit. That's some bullshit.

That's scared. They said we scared. That's why we shooting, because we scared. Real cops, they know exactly who's selling, who to hit. The DA, yo, go watch Training Day. The DA tell you, go hit. Right. The DA, yo, go watch Training Day. Right. The DA tell you, go hit this dude. You know what I say?

Don't hit this one. I say all the time, when we have police brutality is when they stop letting the cops from the hood. Right. Go to the hood. For sure. Because you know what you call it from down the block. You can't go home. He went to school with him.

You know he's a thief. You don't need to kill him. But what happened is they take the cops from the hot hood and they bring them to another place. And then they bring the cops from another place. And that's borderline. That's one of the essential reasons why police brutality exists. Because if you had Jamal that's from Soundview Projects and that went to school in Soundview and then now is patrolling Soundview, he's going to be different as opposed to Walter. He's a real judge.

As opposed to Walter, who's from wherever, wherever. But now he's patrolling Soundview. He's never seen a kid with braids. He's never seen a kid eat a 10 cent ice so he's going to just do whatever. But wait a minute. There's one more piece to that. There's one more piece to that.

Add on. The police are supposed to be the model citizen in the community, no matter who you are. White cop, black cop, Latino cop, Asian cop, Arab cop, I don't give a fuck who you are. Right. You take police training,

you're supposed to be the model citizen. You should have the most restraint. You should have the most restraint. Right. Okay? Kids are looking at you. They should be able to look at you and be like,

yo, dad, I want to be a cop. Yep. And your dad be like, yo, you got to really be a good man to be a cop. And that's what it's supposed to be. But our children, forget adults, okay? Children know the cops are corrupt. Okay, that's the state we at, right?

Kids, not, forget the adults. Kids know I'm not safe around this dude. I'd rather be around my shooters over here wearing the rag on their head. I'm more safe around crips and bloods. I'd rather hire... Yo, I'm not even going to say that shit. I'm just saying, I'd rather

hire them, which we do, as opposed to some off-duty cop. Years ago, we used to hire off-duty cops, ex-FBI. These dudes need jobs. You just go ahead and you hire them for a night.

You give them some money. You're doing your country a service. These are veterans and shit. You do your thing. Now, it's like, nah, man,

let me organize these blogs over here. Hit them with some money because that's all they on the street for. Let me hit them with some cash and y'all can stand the street for Let me hit them with some cash And y'all can stand there and just

Do what you're supposed to do and get organized I'd rather hire them As long as we know that we're not safe around the police This whole shit is corrupt And let me show you this On some Illuminati shit if you really want to know Years ago Like

82 There was a supposedly a conspiracy theory going around, about 82, 83, that said that the New World Order is going to include the global police force was for local police to become so hated by the local community that the local communities cry out for international interference. So now you have these cops today randomly just shooting down black people, just shooting. And it's stupid. It's like it's stupid. It's like, it's ridiculous. Now the rest of the world is saying, yo, what's up with America? What's up with, you go to other places,

you don't know where you go to places. Dudes looking at us like, we crazy. Like, yo, what's going on? I got Africans asking me, yo, bro, what's up, man, a black man? Like sometimes you land in these different countries, they be like, welcome, like, you survived. Like you, a black man? Like, sometimes you land in these different countries, they be like, welcome. Like, you survived.

Like, you survived. No doubt. Like, you're here. You're here. Like, you survived. And you think that's because Barack became president? It got worse? Nah, nah. What are you saying?

Because the image is being put out there. You saying it, all right. Yeah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You know what it got to do? It got a lot of factors in it. First of all, people want black people in jail. Right. Okay?

People making money on it. Black people are making money on black people in jail. Okay? This black DA. It's business. Like Michael Jordan, you said. Like Michael. No, don't tell.

This black DA sending black people to prison. Black judges are sending black people to prison. Black cops are sending black people to prison. Black cops. Yes. Black can stop shooting black people. We all going to drop. I got you.

All right, cool. You know, so it's like, it's like, are we really at war with any outside force? Are we at war with ourselves? Are we just going along with the script that they have planned for us? And it's like straight up and down. They just had, Talib Kweli was just with me the other day. He came over, Sir Weston Shaw. In Orlando.

In Orlando. I'm on you, I was stalking you. It was just at the White House too. He just told me. He just came from the White House. With a couple other rappers were there. And really nothing got discussed, you know. And they never call people like me or Chuck or M1.

They don't call me neither. They don't call no lawyer. Because I'm a shooter, though. No doubt. That's what they need. That's what they need. It's all over my record, Cara. They never, no, but you know what?

They had Rick there, you know what I'm saying? He had an ankle brace. He had an ankle brace, no. You know what I'm saying? So I'm saying, no, why don't they call? Because they know you're going to come with the truth. Well, look, here's the point. It's that we're moving into this script.

The United States has to become what its name is in order for it to survive. United. United. Fuck all this black shit, white shit. Give me a drink of your Mata. Give me this shit. Yeah, yeah, Salo. This is legendary.

This is a picture right here. What, right here? gotta become united united america gotta stand up for america like straight up when you go to other countries niggas dissing us man dissing americans dissing not everybody because you remember borak first came president we were the shit we were the shit when we went overseas yo when I went overseas they was like black man I was like

oh shit like the first year word then after that they was like it was like oh shit you know what

now there's a rumor that you didn't fly that's right you was taking boats yup and federal oh no doubt and Aretha Franklin so so do you fly now that you didn't fly. That's right. You was taking boats. Yep. And federal. Oh, no doubt.

And Aretha Franklin. So, do you fly now? No, I fly privately. Right. I love flying. I fly helicopters. I fly private jets. Right.

Things like that. I take a few private jets here and there. But commercial airlines for me is too much. The love in the hood is too much. For KRS, I don't, I can't do nothing. Like, you know, like, to get to the airport, it takes me an hour.

The baggage claim, bugging, the whole baggage claim. I got to take pictures with everybody. I'm not leaving my people. I'm not just going to walk past you. So everybody say, yo, Chris. I got to stop. I got to take pictures. I got to sign shit.

Get on the plane. The stewardess bugging. The people on the plane bugging. The captain. I said, you know what? And this was 97. I said, forget it. I'm not flying.

I'm not flying no more. I can't. You haven't flown since 97? Yeah, since 97. Actually, 96, to be honest with you. Let's make some noise for him being rich. I don't know. You got to read between the lines.

That's some rich shit. He said, listen, go ahead. It's not rich. I'm not a rich man. I'm a very poor man. No, no. Me too. I say the same shit.

I take a vow of poverty. I'm not rich at all. Me too. I'm a poverty. Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it, my brother. But you own your private things.

Let's talk about that. But I will privately. Look, I take very good care of my wife and my children. But you own the private things. Let's talk about that. But I will privately. Look, I take very good care of my wife and my children. Okay, that's what it is. I don't need anything. Right. But they need a lot. So, you know, I say, look, I don't want to have a career where I'm away from my kids or my wife and this, that, and the other.

And I can't be away from my wife. She books all the tours. Did you book a boat to London? I heard that too. I heard this story. That's why I'm rushing out of here now. To get the boat? Yeah, I'm going to Spain tomorrow. Wait, time out, time out.

He's drunk. Time out, time out. Are you getting on a boat to Spain? That's why I'm in Miami. I'm going in tomorrow. This is great. Norwegian cruise pulls right up to your port. I'm getting on that shit. And then it goes to Spain. It goes to tomorrow. This is great. Norwegian cruise pulls right up to your port. I'm getting on that shit.

And then it goes to Spain. It goes to Spain. How many days is that? 14 days. I'll be in Barcelona. What? So 14 days. They should have done the cruise the whole 14 days.

No way. No doubt. No doubt. This is crazy. You and Khaled is like the only two left. Did you know Khaled don't fly neither? Nah. You didn't know that? He got that from Joe, I think. He got it from Joe. I expected, though. Did you know Colin don't fly neither? Nah. I got that from Joe,

I think. I expected, though. Nah, why should Colin fly? Why should he fly? So why, why you wouldn't fly commercial travel? Well,

first of all, like I told you, commercial travel to me is just hectic. Besides that, like, you know. Now, besides that, I have books to write.

I got rhymes to write. I read a lot. My life is slower. You know what I'm saying? I take time with my family, besides that, I have books to write. I got rhymes to write. I read a lot. My life is slower. You know what I'm saying? I take time with my family, my wife, my daughter, my sons. You need time for that. So, you know, 14 days at sea. I'm finishing up three books that I'm just finishing up writing.

Oh, so you're saying you just zone out. You zone out. Oh. You zone out. I'm going to try that one time. You should try writing rhymes in the middle of the Atlantic. I got ADD. Hit that water. You don't have ADD. You smokeoned out. Oh, that's... You zoned out. I'm going to try that one time. You should try writing rhymes in the middle of the Atlantic. I got ADD. Hit that water.

You don't have ADD. You smoke too much. That's my ADD. I might just jump over that seat. Actually, no. ADD is cured. Marijuana cures this shit. That's what I'm saying.

That's why he doesn't have ADD. And the thing is, the weed I smoke is so loud, like, it's going to be a judge that come up. I'm going to tell you a story, right? No doubt. I'm going to tell you a story. I was in Hawaii because I remember this story because he's drinking my ties So I'm in Hawaii right I'm out I'm smoking weed right I'm this is my first Marriage It's my first married again. It's my second one righteous pray for me. No, that's my first. I'm married again. It's my second one. Righteous.

Pray for me. No doubt. No doubt. So I'm sitting there smoking. The people at the Four Seasons, the Four Seasons Maui. So they call me and they say, yo, are you smoking up there? And I'm like, yeah. I don't know what I paid for this room, but I just know my accountant lost her mind.

So I'm like, yeah, I'm smoking. They're like, would you mind not smoking on the terrace? So I said, now you're inviting me to smoke in the room. They're like, you're right. They're like, we have a very important guest that is upstairs. And I'm like, did the guest pay more than me? And they're like, no. So I'm like, well guests pay more than me and they're like no so I'm like Well, they're like mr. Santiago. That's my last name. I don't know if you know I'm by Puerto Rican makes a noise for Latina

I'm black and I think so. So they say I'm actually performing in Santiago. That's in Spain. This is this is a gift No, so they say to me they say you're right. You're actually outside. You can't do it. Oh, I look on the news This is a gift. No doubt. So they say to me, they say, you're right. You're actually outside. You can't do it. Boom. I look on the news. This is when Oprah's stepson had drowned in Hawaii and Maui. So the person I was telling them to tell them, fuck that. I paid the same amount was fucking Oprah. This is horrible. This is a morbid story. That shit is dope. I like that shit. It's dope because. This is horrible. This is a morbid story.

That shit is dope. I like that shit. It's dope because I actually paid square for square. We had the same exact room. God bless, you know, the people who passed away and everything.

But that shit was just a moment for me. No doubt. It was a moment for just me standing on my ground but now I'm married again. Trying to make this one work. That's right. Second was always the best.

You were in the second one, too? Yeah, Miss Melody was first. I was about a year and a half. And big up to her. Rest in peace. No, no. Miss Melody passed away? Yes, Miss Melody's out. God bless. I did not know that. I'm every religion, by the way. So if you see me do that, I'm a Muslim,

Christian, God body. Yo yes yo caris thank you for so much for hanging out with us we're not gonna we can keep going with you and i'll come back you know i got 14 days when i come back the people need you let's just break it down for these people you are going 14 days yes so now how does this cruise happen? You leave Miami. Yes. Do you stop anywhere? Yes. Where do you stop at? We stop at Funk Hall, Africa.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. You go from Miami to Africa? Oh, yeah, we got a little piece of Africa real quick. This is a trip that goes from Miami to fucking Africa, and I've never heard about it. He's starting on us right now. Wait a minute. There's some Bahamas, a little Bahamas. A little Bahamas. A little Bahamas.

Then you get out to Africa. Then you get out. And you've done this trip before. Oh, yeah. No doubt. Not on this ship, but I've done other ships. I've done this trip. And how many times do you say you've done this?

Oh, sailed? Yes. Oh, at least 30 times. And you believe in a boat. So you've never seen Titanic. No, no, no. There's no Titanic. There's no Titanic.

Anywhere in the Atlantic Ocean, the Coast Guard will get you in 10 minutes. Anyway. He already said that. Shit, it ain't that. All that bullshit. That's bullshit. That's just movie shit. That's movie shit.

There's rich motherfuckers on that boat. That boat ain't going nowhere. Right, right. Shit, there's nowhere. There's no Titanic. There's no Titanic. Now, mind you now. Come on now.

Caribbean cruises and all that. How about the hood cruise? What's the circle? What's the circle? Say again? You get sea miles. Do I get them? Sea miles.

Oh, yeah, no doubt. You get platinum, gold, status. No, but Caribbean, you're tugging out their passengers. No doubt. No, but some of those ships. The triangle, the Bermuda Triangle, you ever been there?

Yeah. We in it. In a boat? Miami's a part of the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. You've been to the Bermuda Triangle?

We go right through it. Get the fuck out of here. We go's a part of the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. You've been to the Bermuda Triangle. We go right through it. Get the fuck out of here. We go right through it. The Bermuda Triangle only acts up when, like, you know, you have to go through that at, like, it's like certain seasons where they say boats are dead. Hurricane season. Yeah, it's like hurricane season or this kind of thing. Look, everything's explainable.

So get to the bottom line. You trust a boat more than a plane? No, no, no. Okay. I trust me driving shit more than anything. I would prefer to get my own boat and sail across the sea myself. But I'm not going to settle for a small yacht. I could do a small yacht right now, but that's not what I want.

What I want is an actual ship that I can go across, and that costs mad money. So I'm just holding out until I can get my own ship and then I can see my same. Some motherfuckers want to buy planes. They want to own a ship. K-Rus one of them want to own a ship. Goddamn it, make some noise for that.

That's straight up, no doubt. So you think, I'm going to give you this last one. This is the last question. Boxing don't have no representative, which means that if you're a boxer, you make it, you make it. If you're a boxer, you don't make it, you're fucked up. There's no reparations. There's no type to hold you down.

Hip-hop is the only other, I want to say, entertainment company that... We might have 30 people that's down with us. But when you go in that vocal booth or you go to perform that record, it's just you. Similar to boxing. We don't have nothing representing us in hip-hop. We hear that the president just recently met with these people, Talib, Khalid, brothers that we know, Busta Rhymes. What do you think is our solution to make our...

We need a hip-hop union. You wanted the life insurance or the health insurance. No, no, no. I'm even further than that now. Yeah. Well, let me... Wow. Because right now, like, DOC, right? Yeah. Phen even further than that now. Yeah. Well, let me, wow. Because right now, like, DOC, right?

Yeah. Phenomenal guy. Lost his voice. No doubt. There should have been health insurance that kind of helped him restore that. Yeah. We didn't have that. And right now, it's because Jadakiss said something on our podcast.

He said, we're the only people who have a hip-hop South, a hip-hop West. Regions, yeah. There's no hip-hop. There's no rock and roll South. Right. There's no rock and roll. Why are we segregating? Why are we saying and do we need this? This this policy is where we if Kool Herc gets sick, we can go and help. Right. Do we need that? Yes, we do. Yes, we do. And I advocate it. Absolutely. Unity is the only thing we talked about.

American unity. Let's let's tweak it down to hip hop. Unity hip hop is the greatest urban movement to hit human history. Let's just start the human history. OK, human history. OK, hip hop, breaking and seeing graffiti art, DJ and beatboxing. Human history. Okay. Human history. Okay. Hip-hop. Breaking and seeing graffiti art, DJing, beatboxing. You could add street fashion, language, knowledge. All of that. That movement in the hood, that right there.

Hip-hop is what America really is. It's like the true declaration of independence. It's what America really is. It's like the true declaration of independence. It's what America is. But we got these old people. You asked me also about hip-hop's old school, okay? I have respect for the old school. We always should. Those are the ancestors.

Those are the elders. Those are the fathers, godfathers, and so on. That's what it is. But when you don't do your job, you don't deserve the respect of the youth. Elders always asking for respect that they don't deserve. Me, I try to earn the respect of the youth. I don't look down on them. I think they're smarter than me. I think they're faster than me. I think they're faster than me. I think they think of things beyond what I can think about.

Now, of course, I tell them, hey, look, I'm the old head in the room, and I like that shit. I'm 50. Fuck this shit, okay? That's my shit. I got an AARP card. Wait, Thomas. Thomas, show me your AARP card. Oh, sonny, show me your AARP card. Keep him. Hold on. My nigga got an AARP card. That's what I'm saying

What? 50% off hotels That's what I'm saying. What? Hold on. What? 50% off hotels. Free bagels and jammies. Free bagels and shit. What? Yo, this is going to be the next episode. This is going to be the next episode. This shit is madness.

Yo, yo. That's crazy. Yo, let me tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay? Go ahead. Yo, we the elders in this. Young people are supposed to look up to us and be like, yo, that's what it means to be 50 in hip hop.

Word. You got your knowledge down pat, your family straight. You got your money right. You doing your thing. That's what young people need to see and see more of. The blueprint. The blueprint. Right. think that's what young people need to see and see more of the blueprint right now we gonna do it shows like this your shit bringing people together right now as we speak right now as we speak dudes

is hearing what it is what we got to do is really unite and here's what it's going to take here's you asked us about to stop the violence movement about why brothers ain't doing that today. We're so hard to do that today. Too much competition, not enough cooperation. Okay? We live in a capitalist society. I'm going to just try to pass you the blunt. Come on, man.

That's okay. We live in a capitalist society where competition is the number one order of the day. So the young are trained to kill the old so that you can be what it is. The young are trained to kill the old. The old are trained to kill the young so you can stay in power. Kill these young as they coming up why is our hip-hop the only generation like you know the ozzy brothers couture forever why do they try to kill the older well it's that it's that competition it's still competition look when we start when we stop thinking of hip-hop as a music and start thinking of it as a culture, a nation, a community, when you start realizing that you are a nation, you're a sovereign nation, all we got to do is unite. There's no ages in this culture.

Just unite. Here's the unity, all right? Here it is. Let's print our own currency, all right? Start it is. Let's print our own currency. All right? Start right there. This is the unity of any nation. Starts with trust.

We print $100,000 for every hip-hop citizen in existence. We got about a million citizens. This is great. We print $100 million of our currency. We get Jay-Z. We get Nas. Jay-Z currency. We get 50 Cent. 50 Cent will be a 50 Cent.

There you go. That's all. That's all. He'll be a 50 Cent. I'm coming right now. He'll be a 50 Cent piece. A 50 is worth more than that. But what I'm saying though, print our own currency.

And let's see if the people spend that. No, they will. Wow. You'll be instantly rich. So instead of people buying albums We give them currency Give them currency Buy our currency Not our albums

Instead of bitcoin It's hypocrisy Right forget selling an album We did that We know that game Now let's sell currencies In which you got the KRS currency And dude be like

Yo this shit is worth this this week Up against the American dollar Up against the yen Up against the euro Up against this shit If you gave me $100,000 Let's say I gave you $100,000 You can give me $100,000

I'll give you $100,000 Hip hop currency Now you're going to spend it With my man right here What we want is specialized people To have this money. Electricians. Right now, hip-hop is old enough. We got doctors,

lawyers, UPS workers. We got all kinds of people. And entrepreneurs. And entrepreneurs. Okay? Huge entrepreneurs. All we gotta do is trade our own currency with each other. With each other. There's hip-hoppers the own stores farms

look dude fuck that American dollar I wanted to see if you're going to hit the blunt. I'm sorry, K-Rest. I had to try you. I do paper. This is paper. This is see-through paper. No, that's some old brown shit. No, no, no. This is see-through paper. I'm not going to give a fuck with you. I'm going to be up until four in the morning. Come on, let's take this flick.

Let's see through paper, K-Rest. I just want to hit one blunt. That shit look plastic. I'm not fucking with you. It's plastic. I don't fuck with that shit. I ain't fucking with that shit. He's not going to fuck with your shit.

It's the new generation. Roll a joint, nigga. Yo, we got a joint. We got a joint Somewhere around here I love you so much Thank you so much for joining us And being a great sport You took a drink

You even tried to smoke You got it in some weird shit It's classic You want to smoke a blunt? No I'm an old school doobie brother. I'm a doobie brother. K-Bassett over there.

K-Bassett over there. That's the drink champ. What a fool be me. We got to take one picture with you over there. Hakeem Green. There's no way I could thank you ever in my life. I'm going to be in your video. I'm just going to have a moment.

I'm going to be in your video. But there's no way I could thank you ever in life because this is this is actually like one of the first hip-hop albums I ever listened to this man right here one of the first people that I ever said that I thought about like my mom's like what you're gonna be in life and I was just like I don't know I knew I couldn't be a teacher hmm not like you but you are I am a teacher you are but not like you. But you are. But I am a teacher. You are. But not like you. I'm a different teacher because I show them the different paths.

But if I've never would have heard you, I would have never wanted to speak. I would never be here. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So Hakeem Green, you know, that's my brother. He called me. And when he called me, I said, I knew the number, but I hit him back. Yo, I just hit a record with Hock called

Madism, Sparking Madism. And he got a website, right? Come on, Hocky, come over here. Yo, yo, yo. Come over here, here, here. Hit that mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, shout out to your website, Hocky and Green. We got the madism.org popping off the Ultimate Cannabis Journal. You know, you got the madism

popping off internationally. It's big money right now. I want to make sure my people get a taste of that you know i mean so see us over at madism.org so you can keep up with all the latest grow techniques you know i mean for a girl when you say grow let's just be honest i'm talking about cannabis i'm talking about that goodness that chronic that you know what we do yes what we got going on that's right you know cats need to know how to grow for themselves it It's not just about smoking it, but industrial hemp is a multi-billion dollar industry. We've seen you with a pipe

in the mail. We've seen you just got a pipe in the mail. Yeah, we got the whole, we got the hot box, you know what I mean? The hot box. We got different ways of vaping, got the smoke in the leaves, the paper, the blunts, the whole, but we got the hot box. It's just a special way of inhaling, you know what I mean?

It's real, real good. That shit is important, man. Now, KRS, I got one more. Are you a vegetarian? What are you? Yeah, yes. So you don't eat no fish? No.

I try to eat, I lean toward a vegetarian diet, but I do eat fish. You do eat fish. I'm pescatarian as well. I'm not a vegetarian, right? But I am about my health. I do a lot of juicing, and I see you keep up with the bartenders, and I'm I am about my health. I do a lot of juicing. And I see you keep up with the bartenders. I'll be trying.

I'm happy about that, too. I'll be trying. I'll be trying. I'll be fucking up. Then I drink. You running. You running. Everything is good until we get here.

Hakeem Green. Salute, bro. Thank you so much for plugging this in, my brother. Yo, KRS. Yo, I called you Chris for the first time in my life. I never called you Chris. That's my next. KRS is Chris.

No, no, no. But you know what the first time in my life. I never called you Chris. That's my next K.O. reference. No, no, no. But you know what? It's through the records. It's like, I never knew if I had the ability to call you Chris. Thank you so much. I appreciate this, man. It was the greatest sport. You actually sat down and drank.

I didn't think I was going to be able to. Yo, this shit was hot. I didn't think I was going to be able to get away with it. Shout out to Sidebar. Thank you so much. Sidebar. Everybody, I'm going to make some fucking noise. Shout out to Sidebar. Thank you so much. Sidebar. Everybody, make some fucking noise. Sidebar, man.

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