Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Mysonne & Chi Ali | (Ep.78)

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary Mysonne & Chi Ali !The New York natives open up about their early days in hip hop, detailing their ties to influential movements like Violator Records and the Native Tongues era. The episode takes a deeper turn as both artists speak candidly about their time before and after incarceration, sharing hard-earned lessons, personal growth, and the realities of rebuilding their lives.Mysonne’s evolution into a vocal activist adds another layer to the discussion, touching on social issues, accountability, and using one’s platform for change. Meanwhile, Chi Ali reflects on his early success and the challenges that came with fame at a young age. The Champs also dive into industry stories, giving listeners a mix of history, perspective, and behind-the-scenes insight.Packed with honesty, street wisdom, and classic Drink Champs energy, this episode stands out as a powerful conversation about second chances, legacy, and growth.Make some noise for  Mysonne & Chi Ali !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆-Originally published on May 9th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's your boy, N-R-E. DJ EFN. And this drink chance motherfucking podcast. Make some love! And when we started this podcast, EFN, we said that

we want to give love to our legends. We want to give love to people that sometimes has been forgotten about or sometimes because when you get to a certain level or you do so much things,

people say, but that's... In hip-hop, we've got to change that. We actually, Rolling Stones goes on tour right now What's the nigga name? Mick Jagger

Them niggas They go on tour right now Why is hip hop not celebrated In the same exact way The older you get And then you know what the crazy shit is The older you get They accept you more in Europe

Like in Europe More appreciation for the culture But this is the birthplace of hip hop So right now I am so privileged. I'm so happy to big up two brothers that I want to put in the hip hop Hall of Fame, me personally. Because I feel like hip hop needs a whole of fame. Fuck this rock and roll hall of fame.

Bullshit. We ain't rock and roll. We got to relax. Even though, even though it is actually like, it is like a big up to be in a rock and world hall of fame. We can do our own thing. But we should, Russell, holl at me, Russell, because I feel like we should do a hip-hop call of fame. And if the hip-hop Hall of Fame, what's that happened?

These two brothers that's right here from the Bronx, because I'm a half a Bronx guy, I don't know the world, don't know that. We're going, we're going to establish that today. These two brothers, Chi Ali, first off, the first child star in hip-hop, period. Period. I seen this man come up. I thought he was Puerto Rican in my mind. You got good hair.

I don't know why. You got good hair, my name. I don't know. I don't know. You definitely mix some way. I'm going to get to that. And then this other brother that stand right beside me, to the right of me, I see his hunger.

I see his struggle. I see him battle artists on the street. Then I see him have an unfortunate situation. He never complained about it. And that's one of the. The most beautifulest things is that you could have complained about it. And you could have been like, fuck, that rabbi. You could have been bitter, but you didn't.

And you know what? Chi Ali and my song is nothing else I would love to do. It's the big y'all brothers up right now. N-R-E, drink champ, DJ EF. I got to go straight to you because I don't want to say controversy. But I want to say that it was. There's been a recent interview, right? A brother says something, and you rebuttal that statement.

But the most brutalest thing about what you did was you never hated. You just was honest, and you spoke your opinion. And real niggas worldwide text each other and said, you see mice? I don't know if you got the text I got a text You got a good And I got the text So

What I want to ask you is What made you take that stand Because you only have to do that It just You know Like you said Man real niggas worldwide I think like people keep saying

Real niggas is back And like we just having a conversation We never really went nowhere We never not You know but the problem is Is that most of us Are silent we just don't even see the need

to check shit that we know it's fake because we don't realize that the rest of the world don't know it's fake. You're right. Because they've been fed fake shit so long that they've done. It's real. So me watching this

and then actually you read in comments and people like, yo, this is the real of shit. Yo, you are, and I'm reading this and I'm like, how could this? Like, what is real about this to you? Like somewhere, somewhere along the way there's been some type of,

the translation got fucked up. For what real translation. The real translation is fucked up. So I felt like being... Hold on. I got to apologize for stopping you, but... Was that a real champagne nigger shit right there? That even suck.

I didn't. Look at the grip. Look at the grip. You know I've been to Paris. Come on. You know, it's big. You know, it's great. I'm so sorry.

I don't know. That was a big myself for a second. That was a big myself for a second. That we need a sound. Because I thought it was going to do that. No, we need that. But I had to take it a little bit of my. It's called Pesim.

You got to learn this in Paris. And pass. You can't bring a hundred dicks no way. They take it back. We got a long body. Listen to you, my ex. Because you know what the most important part about it was mice? Was, was I looked in your.

your eyes. I looked at every time you spoke and it was not hate. No. This was not hate. But that's the new word for you just expressing some shit when you go against the status quo. Disagreying. Yeah, when you disagree. They say you hate it. It's just the dumbest shit in the world. I ask people like, oh, you hate and you hate it. And I'm like, okay, so what are you doing when you comment on what I'm saying? You have an opinion about what I say and

you have the right to express that. I don't think you hate it. You've got your opinion. You don't even know me, never seen me a day in your life, but something I said made you feel like you needed to respond. So why you feel some way about me feeling the same way you felt? Just because of the platform that you're doing about. That's what they're even mad about. But the thing is, the platform

that I'm doing on, it makes me more valid to what you do, because I have actually know the people I'm talking about. I actually have interacted. I actually know what I'm dealing with. You just coming on here, never seen me, never met me, don't know nothing about me, and you have opinion about me. You understand what I'm saying? So that's just the,

It's just, it's a, it's a smoke screen. You understand what I'm saying? People don't want to be checked on shit, so, you know, it becomes, you hate it. Hate is when you don't have a, you don't even have a reason for something. But then you're like, yo, you like this, but nah, why not? I don't know, I just don't like it. Now that's, now I can see why, because you can't even give me a reason why you don't make something.

But when I can tell you, no, no, I don't like it because it don't sound good, it don't look good. I don't like the color. It don't fit me right. Like, I'm giving you a reason. Now, whether you agree with my reason, that's, that's, up to you. That's up to you. It's actually just me giving you opinion. And that's what we get

tainted on. I think a lot of real quote-unquote real niggas don't even want to deal with that. You know what? They just say to itself, you know what? I know real. If y'all want to believe that shit, cool. But they don't understand. It's like being in jail. And the fake nigger come in the house, right? He's real-nigas. And you were like,

I'm just going to stay in my cue. He got about 25 minutes. But if the real niggas didn't start checking them, the rest of the fake nakes start coming. And next to you, All right is you because these niggas took over the day room, all type of shit, because now you don't allow them to do that. So it's like the same man in jail. Nigel walk in, look, this is how we run this house here.

You can't do that. You do that bozo shit, you got to get out of here. And that's how we got to doing hip-hop again. I agree. You know what I said? We got to start checking, niggas because now we fathers. You know, before we was young and we just run. Now we fathers, and our kids start questioning us.

We're like, Dad, you're not like such and such as world. You're like, what? That didn't even. No, no, no. I'm not going to let y'all do that. Right. None of my, because y'all haven't, when you have that platform, y'all have a control over what goes on the whole culture.

Yeah, absolutely. So I can't allow your cancers to affect the culture, not on my watch. You know what? Hip-hop appreciate you. Real niggas appreciate you. And just in life, everybody should appreciate your stance that you took because, mind you, I'm a part of a new generation, too. Like, I go to the clubs.

I like Migos. I like Migos. So, um... Bad and bougie, man. I fuck's a bad and boojee. But now, so now, Chi Ali, Chi Ali, you're one of the very fortunate people that actually

you look 20 years old. The grades, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't a lie, your name should be baby-faced. But you're one of the very fortunate people that actually been around for the real era of hip-hop. Like, you actually was there

So for you to see how the era of hip-hop went from then to now, like, I don't even know my question. That's crazy. The way the coach has changed, it doesn't upset me. I don't think as much as it upsets a lot of my peers. Young. Oh, okay. Our generation.

Okay. The older generation. And for me, a lot of it is because I think because I got kids, so it's just like I'm entwined with the new sound. But a lot of it is, When we was young and I was listening to Ron and the Fat Boys, like my pops would buy it for me, but you know, sometimes it was cut that shit down.

And sometimes I know he didn't think 30, 40 years later this was what it was going to be. Right, because they all say hip-hop was a fad. Yeah, it's a fad. Oh, that's not music. They're sampling. We sound like them now. Damn.

You know what I'm saying? We sound like them. This shit ain't hip-hop, you know? It's just a new family. They're kids. They're kids. They're kids. You know what I'm saying.

think about it like Mike said my son 18 my daughter 18 God bless me like you know what I'm saying he was popping now so every some of the shit they do we're gonna see and be like alright and some we're gonna be like these fucking kids but that was kind of like how it was back then because I mean like when people say the era was golden or it was classic a lot of people a lot of times people don't actually focus on the fact that it was rock music then yeah yeah everything wasn't

Nobody wasn't getting paid. But the thing I don't like and what you addressed to when you first saw the speaker was that the new generation, a lot of them, not that they don't pay homage, but it's like they don't even know. Like how you're not, this is your feel. Like if I'm a baseball player, I'm going to know something about Jackie Robinson, Don Mattingly, Dave Winfield, you know what I'm saying? Ricky Henderson. Yeah, come on. That's our generation's fault.

Yeah. We drop the ball. That's what you're saying. We dropped the ball. No, it is our coverage. We didn't say, you didn't tell him this is the way you got to go about it. You're right.

And it's crazy, because like you said, the Romans, so they could still do shows, but our four fathers is, they washed up. You know what I mean? That's whack.

That's why Mike did the show when he did the join the BB Kings and Cool Herk was there. Like, like, I was, I brought, Cool Herb came out. And I was like,

yo, I, you know, I brought him out. Right. Because that's cool hurt. Yeah. It's fucking cool Hurk. That's cool.

You know what I'm saying? We wouldn't be hip. I don't understand how much. All of us. All of us. Ain't got a million dollars or at least $500,000 in this bank account. Like, I wish I had it to be like here. You know what I'm saying?

But some of our leaders in hip hop got it, man. Yeah. We got to make sure some of our brothers is all right. I got their numbers. And we talk about that. You know what the craziest thing is? And I'm so far up, homie. And I'm so sorry to bring this up.

But that's not good. But since me and my partner, DJ EFN, started this podcast, we wanted to start something called a hip-hop union, which means if my son had that same case back then, and we look at mice and say, Mike said he ain't doing it. There's somebody in place to pay for your lawyer, pay for your case, pay for everything, right?

So I did all of it. All right, at least not here. Okay, I'm keeping it 100%. right now. Okay. Can you put that over there? It was a gazelle frames. Right? So the other day, right? My wife, I love this woman.

We went to Malibor. The first time I ever rented a house myself, every time I ever rented the house, it was always been death jam, Tommy Boy. It never was me. So when I went at this house, I walked outside the house

because we had ordered the car service and said it would be 20 minutes. So I came downstairs because I had like four blunts. And I was like, I got to smoke these. Right? So I smoked them. And the driver came up in two minutes. And when he came up, he said, yo, like, I looked at the shit.

It's supposed to be 20 minutes. He said to me, oh, no, I just dropped off, picked up, or saw somebody in the rehab in Malibu, right? So when he said that, you know, naturally I'm smoking. So I wanted to walk away from him because I was. He didn't want to be disrespectful and be getting high. I don't know if he's a recovering, whatever. But he said, he said. So to bring back my point that I'm trying to tell you was the other day,

DMX, my brother, I love that nigger. He's always been there for me. He never lied to me. When people seen him on the Barclay stage and people seen his rants, people judge them without wanting to help. I immediately wanted to help. So I said, I wanted to. But if I do it or I step in, he's going to spit at me.

I know this thinker. Yo, what in the way, what the fuck? Who do the fuck you think you are? That's what you're going to do. But if we had a hip-hop union in place where we sit back and we say, okay, the dog don't look great, release the bread. Absolutely. And the reason I bring it up is, and I don't want to blow it up, but he's actually immalible right now.

That's where he's at was I didn't have a position to step up. I didn't have a position to step up and say whatever. Because if it was just me, I'm going to be honest with you. They would have all said, fuck you, no, no, no. They would have loved the actual fact that I stepped up. But then they would have said, who fuck does he think he is? do y'all agree that we need a hip hop union? I definitely think so.

And especially like with brothers like Kuhok, the real forefathers, the real forefathers more so because the money wasn't there. It was not. So it wasn't like they had it in, blew it, ran through it. They was getting jerked. It wasn't there. And then what was there, they was booking them.

You know what I mean? So you got to tell the people what book it means. They was rob them. Yeah. That's a New York slang. Hey, they're old. New York's, yeah. It's like, yo, a lot of them didn't never had the bread where X, you know, X and ran through some bread.

But even with people like X, like, you know, when I was locked up, homie, I see so many brothers look at the crackheads and nobody who smoked crack in jail. Everybody was getting money. You know, everybody just smoked weed. But it's like, I used to tell megis, yo, half this yard is running around with cuts on your faces from weed beefs. You know what I'm saying? If you fucking smoke weed, drink liquor. drink coffee, any mood changing, you ain't got the right to judge nobody.

His shit just might be a little more crucial. Some shit is a little more serious. That's all the same. I want to say too much to criticize anybody. If you drink, I don't want to hear you talk about my weed, nigger. I don't hear nothing. Unless you don't do nothing, leave me alone, man.

And just we got, like you said, we got to help the brother. No, we, you know what the thing is? The thing is hip-hop has to start accepting our response. We gotta grow up. We got to grow up. There's too much money being made in hip hop to you still just be

Have no responsibility? We're supposed to hip hop alone could finance all our communities like the whole black movement It can finance that's the like really if all the hip hop niggas said down said look Okay you from the left we're buying back left rap we're going on all we're going to put all this into you Then we're going to buy back book like we can literally do that shit with nobody And you know the crazy shit is mice? All we need is to take 1% of our profits. We don't.

We don't. Niggas take their jewelry, homie. Niggas take their jewelry. Because, because, because, like, I'm sorry, Alie. Let me get some Syrac. Because you know why? That's the best rock in the world. Oh, yeah.

For folk. That's what I'm going. For the best rock in the world. Because Sir Rock is the best box. Yes. Any room? You're going to be Sir Rock, God, today. I'm so, sir.

I'm from Miami. I'm from Miami. I mean, originally, like, my parents are Cuban, born in the Lado. Yeah. But I ain't going to point. You got, like, the same type of hair. My family's...

Wait, wait. My family's West Indian. My grandfather was from... Oh, right, because I ain't in a lot. Chelle. St. Lucia or St. Kitt's, my grandfather. You had good hair for a long time. Yeah.

Like, you even just had good hair yesterday. Like, you really had... Like, I said, watch you on... This nigger here is nice. But you're West Indian. West Indian. Oh, we always claimed you in the part of we're in clubs. Oh, my...

Yeah, well, you know, I'm good. And my wife thinks she Puerto Riga. I'll be teasing that. She's from El Salvador. So she's a girl. She's a gay man. She's a gay man. She's a gay man.

She's a gay man. She's a gay member. Anybody from Salvador. Yeah, she's a candidate. Hey, what tattooed you shoes to come out. Yo, finally, we're here at Drake Chances, the fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. We're going to be there.

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and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the Frontiers and Marketing on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So now, let's just, we're going to bring up back to hip hop. You want this, this was Trace him? This is what I'm going to. Yeah, yeah. Jimmy told me that. Jim Jones?

No, Jimmy, Jimmy's. Bross Cafe. Let's make some noise with you. The boss cafe. He said, Jimmy, unless a lot of moment. And he's still doing it. He said that's how I do it. I put some sels in it.

Salsa. Look, he's still doing it. I can't believe. I thought he would have been over by now. Because a lot of people died in Jimmy's cafe. Jim might be the only dude that ain't died. Listen, I'm going to be honest. I've seen niggas get beat the fuck up in Jimmy's Cafe.

Like, them beat you up, and then they chill. That's the crazy shit. They beat you up. And then they have a drink with you after that. That was hard. And Queens is like, yo, you get beat up. You got a glass. up. We're in the Bronx, they meet you up and then they pick you up.

Are you okay? And then they make sure you good. That's the only place I ever see that. Now, the Bronx, being the birthplace of hip-hop. The fact that we got A-Buggy. Shout out to A-Bugge. We got, what is this man? Don Q. Don Q.

I'm about to say A-Dawn. That's how you know. I'm all right. Don Q. But Don Q, other than that, Has it ever bothered you that the Bronx wasn't at the forefront of hip hop? I mean, of course, it not really bothered me, but it was like, that was one of my goals. Like, we got to put the Bronx back on the map.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we got to put the Bronx back on the map. So when you watch and you see A. Boogie and I'm doing anything, you see the uncut. And I'm actually being from my hood, you know what I'm saying? Young boys from the hood. They're from Highbridge. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

So actually, remember when we shot the video, they look right from right down the video. Get the fuck out of that. You know that. actually from the hood. So watching the young boy twin, you know what I'm saying? You got nothing to do with root for him, you know? So it's happy, it's good to see that. It's good to see the resurgence of just

content and lyrics. Right. You know, you see Davies, like, you hear artists that actually is... You know what I'm saying? Like, you hear people rapping again. It's just good to do that. Like, I like, I like... No, fucking megos. I'm sorry. You feel the hell yeah. Like, that shit makes you... You be like this, huh? You know what I'm saying? You're being in the club,

you're bouncing. It's sound crisp, too. It's how Chris, The quality is good. It's good music. You can't take nothing away from it. But every now and then, I want to hear some shit that make me, like, damn, I get a little... That makes you want to tie your shoes. I'm not saying don't play them. I'm saying, instead of playing them 20 times a day, play them like 14.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, spread some love. And, like, I stay in Maryland, but, you know, I'm probably closer to D.C. So, you know, I run around in D.C., you know, what I'm saying? And, homie, like, I don't even know A. Boogie in them, homie. Right. But I know that's the, they're from my homiehood.

They be with his son. They be with his little brothers. Right. When they shit come on, I go crazy. With all New York niggins shit come on, period. Especially niggas I fuck with. It's just a different bop. I'm not gonna lie to.

All the way up came out. Yeah. I used to go to every fucking club. And I, it was like, it was my record. It was like it was my record. When I hear A billion, I'd be feeling like that's how we got to do it. You know, I sweat.

Like, it's so genuine. When I'm. repost, niggas shit, I don't even know. I only follow people I know, or I might follow your man because we all here. So if I see something, I like it, and I'm reposting it. You ain't got the eggs, I don't give a fuck.

It's just, I don't know why we just don't show love, but, you know, like, I get a crazy good energy when my nigga shit come on down there, yo. And that's why we started this, is because we want to give our legends, flowers when they can smell them, and trees when they can inhale them.

Because so many people are fucking, loss. So many people say that you washed up when you got 10 years in this game. So many people say that you're not the guy because the other guy is the guy. And some people say that it be wrong.

We have to change that. Money sometimes. Yeah. Lick is to be dead roared. You know what it is? We have to change that because one day I was in Live Nation. Right? At Live Nation, I looked at it. They roused them.

They had nothing but white boys doing 60 dates. Holy shit. And they was all older than me. And I looked and I said, damn. Why can't hip hop do that?

And then I, you know, our core I call Frontmaster Flex. And you know, Fort Master Flex? And I don't know how anybody feel about Form Master Flex personally, but I'm going to tell you how much I feel about Front Master Flex. Firm Master Flex said, fuck that, Nauri.

And I was like, what? Fuck what. Like, we got to make so our artists can release 14 dates on their own New York artists, right? And at first I said, Flex, word, and then he said, and then I turned on the radio,

because mind you, I'm living in Miami, I'm doing dream champs, running around, and then I heard, that's how we own it. That's how we own it. And I said, this nigga deserves this shit. There's a lot of people who don't.

There's a lot of people who get, fame, they get money, they get it, and they just go and they go out. Everybody, I couldn't have been more happy in the world when I heard from Master Flex playing your record. Not playing your record,

staying on your record. It's a difference. You can play it one day. But we're not living in the 90s. In the 90s, he played your record one time, you're gone. You're gone. Now, he got to play your shit every night. That's right. And he's been playing your shit every single night.

Consistent. Shout out to Flex. Faultmaster Flex. We appreciate you. Guys, he respecting a grind. Like, yo, my homie came home at 06 and they're grinding. Like, I'm not just talking grinding. I'm talking about hundreds to thousands. Maybe some short M spent. Like, grinding. This nigga, grinding, homie.

Everything out of pocket. Yeah, you deserve it. Why are you doing? And you're still not even on the label. No, because I don't want. We still ain't where we need to be. I just really, I want to do my shit independent, but the platform is being laid.

You know what I'm saying? The consistency. shout out to Flex, Slay. When you called me, I don't even know, I think I was in Miami. I think I was in Miami. I think I was in L.A. or Sunday, you called me like 7 in the morning. Yes.

And me, no, you know, at 6 in the morning. He called me. He's like, yo, this record is fire money. I need you to put everything you got by money. Yes. You know what I'm saying? It was just real. It was genuine. It's like, damn. And that's how we always been. It's just real shit. And it's like,

when you get that feel and you see people room for you and you know that you did everything right. I never compromised my principles, my morals. And it came back to you. You know what I'm saying? It's coming back and it's just like Dan, be able to see that and then be able to be appreciated, especially by the people that you appreciate. Like this is a legend

to me. You know what? From day one, I remember when he came in front of Justin and played... Hold on. We're going on there. We're going to say that. That's a whole second. That's a whole second. I know. I know when you play a band from TV, the first time, you blasted that. And I was standing in there

like this. before that shit ever and I was sitting in like this. Yo, this is, this is classic. He was like, listen. That's just this sound monument. When he plays that shit, I just flasked it. He's slated. We said it right for it. And he blasted that shit.

I would just, at all. Just looking at him like, damn, man. And to see where that shit went after that. They was like, I need to get on. I was sweet. I was, damn. I've only had to get a purpose or that. You know what I'm saying?

So to be in the presence and be respected by the people that you love and respect. And I tell people all the time The artist that I love Is because when you listen to their music You feel like you know them Right Yes

And when you listen to Norie music You really know him Nah, it's true You know what I'm saying Like it ain't no bullshit It ain't yo this is just some song I made This is Norrie my nigga So when you meet them and you listen

You're like this is the exact And that's what you used to be for me You know what I'm saying Some people can separate the music from the artist I'm not able to do that Because once you don't feel what you talking. You're smart.

I'm turned off. You're not authenticity. It's not authentic. So this is a legend. This is one of my favorite artists all the time. That nigga said, I don't even smoke like that. I sell, I don't even drink like that. I don't even drink like that.

I see it. It's different. And yo, you know what he said? You know what I said? Who says that in the wrong? You know what I said. Sometimes I just chill. Like, my nigga, those songs, I was up north

listening to them shit and got me through my bed. Like, you know what I'm saying? And then you met me. And then I met him. You know what I'm a Bronx, like he was, like, this was... I'm a Bronx, nigga, I don't know, I'm a Bronx, I'm so sorry I can claim y'all. You know what I'm okay? So when you, when you're able to get love and respect for the people you respect, that's what you do it for.

The rest of this shit don't even matter. But that's how we don't. And you know, that's when you never need security, nothing. We don't need that. You know what I mean? Just keep it to all. And you know what the crazy thing is, is Tiali. I won't come back to that.

That's how we're on it. But Charlie, you are not only one of the first child rappers. You're actually the first gangster rapper. Like, for real, though. Like, for real, like, you have a lot. I'm sorry. The Philly boys OC and the Liverpool. No, no, they're definitely rob the band.

I mean, identify as New York artists because at one point, we came from living our lyrics. and you was one of them guys that actually lived your lyrics. I actually saw your Vlad TV interview where you actually explain how it happened. But the thing about it is what people don't understand is you really went through it.

They look at this interview and they're thinking like you're saying it because you just went, but this is some real shit. It was real shit, but no, you know. on some real shit. It was your girl's brother, right? Yeah, my daughter's uncle. God bless.

You know, for sure. God bless, rest and peace. Okay. But, yo, like, yo, you know what killed me on me? Is that they, and I'm not trying to downplay because I took a man's life. I take for responsibility. God bless.

I can't, you know, turn back the hands of time. To me, that's the worst thing you could do. Because even if you rape somebody, as much as we shun that, I still have my daughter. Right. If she's going, she's gone. God, you know what I'm saying? So I took somebody's life.

I used to watch his son, you know what I'm saying? Right. You know. And that part of me cutting you off, but that was the most interesting part about it was when you was, when Vlad was talking to you, and we all love Vlad. I love Vlad, too. But he's kind of like the police, right? What I mean? He's trying to get the answers.

Like, he's really trying to get the answers. Like, he's going to ask you some shit that couldn't get you incriminated, but he's up to you. It's up to you. It's up to you. And that was one of the most honorable. things, I mean, watching it was, it was like you was not proud of it. You just was like, yo, there's something that happened. But you know what?

Let me just say, before you finish, that's what I'm talking about. That's the difference from a real name. You understand what I'm saying? We ain't got. This is one of my best friends since we was kids. Wow. You know what's been to just about everything. Like, I know everything about what's going on at time.

I know everything he was dealing with. And to be able, and we always been authentic. So watch my man And knowing everything around me Like having X and pistol picking These niggins, these niggins, we ever knew in our life That's right And when they have conversations with you

They're not glorifying that They don't glorify Yeah, we talk about the bitches Like we need him She was so I'm gonna continue to you up Chee Chee I'm gonna continue You up because

A lot of people Would have took your position as a rapper That actually has a body and would have got on Vlad and said, yeah, I killed that nigga, which plenty of people are doing, too. It was the exact, like, I don't want to name the artist's name, but he's online

told him, he beat the case because he shot the nigger, and he's online, but it was the exact opposite, and I looked at you, and mind you, I had a relationship with you forever. We was on a run, you was coming to my shows, you were found out. I think he was coming to my shows. I'm looking at my show, I'm like, I seen you on the news. I just want to respect you

I just want to respect you I just want to say that that interview when I looked at it and I looked at the grown man in you and I looked at how you you held yourself down and I looked at how you also because that was your girl's

brother and I looked at how you were so careful and so conscious and I just want to tell you that is some real shit we understand we can't bring back this man's life But everything you're doing right now is actually the illest shit in the world because you're not going. You could easily say. We lose.

We just growing up, when we grow up at, we lose sight of life. Like, because you hear about niggas getting shot and killed and see it and might do it or whatever. So, but when you think about it, like, yo, even a dead nigga, he got kids, muvel, and love him. And at the end of the day, it's, what, 15 years later, 20 years later for me now. And it's like What? Think about the biggest Beef you had 20 years ago Was that worth it?

That you were ready to tear shit It's not worth it. And now you look at it like That was some silly shit You know what I'm saying? Rarely is it a case that's really worth it When you come talking about a whole bunch of years And at the end of the day

It was regular shit Like that like not It was regular shit I look at it like I yeah you know Like I know Mike's ain't pussy But we hung with niggins that So I'm looking like, man, it was regular everyday shit not to be glorified like this. What happens?

That's shit that go on, man. Now, I need you describe a situation because my partner, not if in Capone, he's standing over there, right? Me and him was in jail together, right? We was in DFI, right? Then we came home and he caught a case. So I can never really relate to his case because he accidentally. was famous. When we were in jail together, I was not famous.

Then he caught a case and then he went up north, right? But I could never relate because he was Capone now. Right, he was popular. Like, he was not Capone when we met each other. So I just want you to describe to people how hard or maybe it might.

I mean, I think it was a double-edged sword. Because you're famous. Okay, so it's like, you know, I know they're black sheep at, you know, being locked up with that shit. They're letting you wear dress at. You're gonna have some people that dick ride. Oh shit, that's Chi Ali, whether it's inmates, whether it's COs.

Right. And then you're gonna have some Cio. We ain't fuck that, nigga. Yeah. Same shit. Same shit. Some people try to give you extra food. Some people trying not to feed you.

You know what I mean? It's just, you know, everybody different. Right. I just took it in stride. But what I found, especially when I was at Sing Sing, because when I got the same thing, it's a large population of black police. And then most of them

is from the city. So it just so happens I'm in my mid-30. So a lot of them is around the same age. In mid-20s. So, you know, they knew who a motherfucker was. So it was ill that even the motherfuckers that hated, like the dickhead niggas, a nigga was so laid back with it

that even the dick-haired niggas after a way I had to be like, like another police would be like, man, come on, man. style, man. Come on, that nigga's chilling, man. What the fuck?

So I just be me, man, and let everybody be them, and everything are having the way it's supposed to happen. I'm never been pussy, and don't plan on being. Nobody. I never heard she out of it. But we're not here for that.

We're not here for that. We're here to get some money and bring to you. The same question, because, again, my partner, one of my best friends, and both of these guys are my best friends. They both scumbags. But

But again, I can't relate to being famous in jail. Like, I was famous in jail for three days. That's it. And I was calling a lot. I was calling a lot. Who is the lawyer? Right? But you actually have some fame, right?

And then, what was it? Is it robbery? Yeah. All right. So, do you just take us from this? You had a robbery charge. I had a robbery charge. And we heard you, you say that you didn't do it.

Definitely did. I definitely believe you. All the way, fact. I really believe you. Like, I mean, if I get money, it ain't no need to lie. I did seven, 14 years. So, if I did it, I didn't believe, yeah, I did it. I shouldn't have did it?

You know, it was. And have you ever been in jail prior to that or no? No, you know, I did a couple of days. A couple of days. All right. So now you cop out? I didn't cop, well. I blew trial.

You blew trial. Wow, we didn't know that. Okay, so you blew trial, and now you go upstate. Now, it's this, people know this is my son? Of course. So can you describe that to you? For me, it was just unreal. You know what I'm saying?

You, you young, you're 21 years old. You sit in jail. You signed to a violator. Million dollar deal. I know, I know you're a budget. Yeah, you know what I said. I know your budget in a day. I remember it.

I remember it. We're told that. Yeah, we're told me. I was watching. I was watching. I helped him. I had to watch. Because, you know what?

Yeah, you got a cop. You got the morrow. And then I'm going to go to the story. But so, yeah. So, you know, you're going up north and you're sitting, first you on the island for a couple of months. And you think you're coming home. And you figure, and, you know, as soon as you,

but I blew trial and then went to the island. Like, I wasn't in jail fighting my case. Oh, God. I was going to fight in my case. my case. Wow. So I was, you know what I was, from the outside, you're just thinking, this shit ain't going to happen. Like, I ain't do it. I ain't going to jail.

You know what I'm saying? Then you saw realizing how dirty the system is. You know what I'm saying? A bunch of shit just don't, unless you got to be really serious about what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? You can't take for granted that you're in and so you're going home. That's not a reality, especially from our communities. You know what I'm saying? It's just completely different.

So when you sit in there, you're like, hey, I just blue trial and you don't even know when I was on the aisle I didn't even know what I was getting sentenced to but if you were the blue what you did God bless but because they always tell you they say you would take this plea or you can take it

the trial actually yeah well in hindsight you sit there and be like but you got to realize you didn't know it your whole life you've been fucked up you've been up the year he didn't seem like it's a

you were to fuck out A year's been like 3,000. You know what I said? It wasn't even a conversation. When you didn't do it, man, that's even more so, man. Nah, I'm going to be honest. I knew you, and I knew you didn't do it. Yeah.

Like, I ain't going to lie. I knew you did a lot of other shit. Because I could see it in your eyes. Did I understand? Go there. I went to. But now, I'm going to describe me, me and my son. Right.

Justin's is my shit. That was everybody's shit. Hell yeah. It was my shit. Like, I ain't going to lie. I hate it, Puff Daddy. you can keep this and we're not editing this.

No, he did. No, I hated Popadadaddy. Like, I hated what he represented at the time because me and Capone was Army suit camouflage. Niggas, and these guys got on shiny suits. So I just hated what he represented

at the time, but I loved his fried chicken. He made some great fried chicken. So I used to go to Justin's all the time, right? So it was his rumor of this new artist. He's supposed to be the new Biggie Smalls, right? Am I correct? You can stop me.

You're 100% correct. You're going to tell a story better than I do. I'm definitely going to tell it. I'll practice it. I'll practice it. I can tell you ain't practiced. I watch you in the breakfast class. I said, Mike, she ain't practiced.

There was this new artist. His name was Shine. So, Shine was supposed to be the new Biggie Smalls, but nobody knew how he looked. Yeah, it was just on the mixtape. Nobody knew how he looked. So we heard, like, I think he did, like, a couple bars. Yeah, but so he felt like he was happy,

but when we seemed to him, I was like, ugh. No disrespect, but I seen him. He just didn't look like big. He didn't look like big, so it was just, it was a throwing off. So we outside and Puff goes, I'm about to say text, but I know it wasn't a text.

But he said, yo, go outside and say hi to my new artist. So I go outside, say what's up to him, and the niggum was like, you know, you know, just trying. as a smooth nigga. He was like, you, I like you shit. I'm looking at this

nigga, I said, are you shine? He goes, yes, I'm shine. I'm like, I'm throwing up. Not, not, I'm disappointed. It's not what you're expecting. It just, I thought he was going to be a heavy person. I thought he was going to be fat, so

I'm like, all right, cool, boom. I don't know what happens. Right? I text Crystal Lite, Chris, like, What's Chris there? No, Mike Lighty. Mike Lyddy was there. So I text Mike, Mike comes, and Mike is like, yo, what's up? You need me to pay for the bill?

Because that's my style back then. I would just run out some shit and be like, yeah, that's going to take care of it. But I'm going to describe this scene. So for some reason, shine starts rhyming, and he goes, and he's kicking his shit. So I run. Tom Your man, Tom

Tom came Tom pulled up and was like In my mind I felt like he pushed you Like No way it happened Was this

It was either Tone was outside Right And I think it was either Matt Middleton And the lawyer The lawyer So they came in

It's like Yo they outside John and Norrie outside Tone didn't really Want me to do it Tone was like Nah

And I'm like Man If I had you Crazy. This is a billion dollar nigga? I'm gonna kill him. So he brought me out there. So Tom's, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's the part I didn't know.

I didn't know. Come on, come on. And you gotta relax. You gotta relax. You gotta relax. So this is the part that I didn't know. The part that I didn't know was when you walked outside, did you have that in your mind already?

Goodness over here, right? It's relax. Because I got my son. That's the only reason. So that's the part I didn't know, is that, because mind you, I think I met you like two minutes or 12 minutes before that, and we chilled. But then you came, and then that part, I needed that part. The million dollars niggins. Remember, in the industry, it was running rapid.

He got a million in publishing and a million on the deal. We had never heard of this in the industry. Yeah, Sean. We had never heard of it. Everybody was expecting him this to be. Oh, it was supposed to be the craziest shit in the world. So Mice comes outside. And he's chilling.

And he's watching us rhyme. And I'm rived. And for some reason, I feel like I never got this part of the story. Correct. I felt like you looked at me and said, what lies? Like, in my mind, your eyes said, chill, you're on already. Am I correct?

No, you were. Because you looked at me like, man. I'm hungry. I don't know. I know you know Bronx niggas. You're a Bronx nigga kind of too. You're going to relax, right? And then I swear to go, because I had never heard you run.

And I ain't going to lie. I might be wrong. But I felt like you said something in my palm, and then I got my left arm. And you said, that's the old type of shit. I ain't going to lie. I can't even tell you what I said that. I ain't going to lie. I was like, oh, my God.

And Sean, he was special. I'm correctly bowed out. Am I correct? No, he did. He was... After about two rounds, it just was like... I felt like you did two and a half. Because that's half a rhyme, he's like, it's over.

And then I got texted. And people were like, you let my arms die? On the streets. And Shine had hit me after that and said, Puff told me I can't rhyme on the street no more. And he told me that too. We don't... That's my man.

Now, we fell out with Sean. Listen, that's my man. We fell out after that. We was in Clinton together. That's my, that's my nigga. But right after that, we had fell out. Because prior to that, because I felt like you kind of fucked up his deal a little bit.

It was a lot because he came to me and he told me the same thing. That fuck was like he don't want me to run. And that's when him and Pulse started going sideways after that situation. You know what I? He came to, we were in the studio together, you know, because him and Nigel was cool. So, Nadjus always had me around And I think, like, right after that,

we almost got some fight, it was, like, a big thing. His man. His men. His little men's, his little men. We got into their puff house, I think, with the mink. Yeah, we said out of there. At the, um, in the Hamptons. Yeah.

We had a party in the hamptons, and we came off there, and it was probably like a couple of weeks after that. Uh-huh. So I see Sean, I give him a pound. And when his men, like, fuck that nigga. He's giving you fake love. And he said it all loud? Loud, like.

He was about five, too. I'm like, what? Who you're talking to, what are you talking about? He's like, fuck that, you running around. You know, too one. Niggas running around saying you killed my man. Fuck that, whatever. I'm like, no, it was me who's running around.

Yeah, and I'm like, what are you talking about? It was me. I'm sorry. You got me for me? Yeah, I'm not going to do this. I had the biggest knob for the solid. Yeah, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest.

I'm going to tell you something. Sean had the biggest bucks At this time He had the biggest bus So for me To just meet this nigga And this nigga tear him up I ain't gonna lie

I told everybody It was me It was me You know, when you put that around I said What did I say I said? You said I'm the one of guys

The battle was shouting Because I ain't a lot Again I'm gonna reiterate this whole situation right I'm a hood nigger I know I know certain people don't know

like you know how queens get down or you know I know people some people look at you and just be like oh you're from Queens I don't know that's it's false they gotta relax

right but I looked at mice mice gave me I still to this day he just gave me the tiger I don't remember I don't remember because me and him

got bug got the guy eyebrows so I don't remember this is It was a song And I don't look I fell back But I had no look

I gave my man This my word I gave my man That's gonna handle I'm on the A side With about 14 blood niggas I fuck with them You know I smoke we can get

My man's on the other side These are my niggas though My nigga pooch Broome nigga pooch He gets into One of the niggas He gets into one of the niggas He gets into one of the niggas

Cardiades on the island? Yeah. That's big him on. What is me? Pooch, pooch. Poohs. All right. All right.

He went down, I think, for the step on Marlbury thing. Uh-huh. But anyway, whatever happened, pooched on the bed. So the nigga, all the blood is on my side. So they're like,

they're going to pop on the niggas. So I'm like, damn, they like, yo cheat, man. I'm like, you know, I'm trying to. And you gave him the odds. I'm trying to resolve the situation,

but I already see the thing, the boy didn't swung on the nigger race. So the thing that went too far. So I went to that gate and I gave him the eye like, yeah, this thing, it's good. Like, I gave you. Your mice gave me the eye. It was like,

I said, I gotta relax. Because it was like, whatever he did was like, nigga, you're on. Why are you on a rhyme with us? And I sat back. I said, Dan, we had a whole conversation just right here. Just me.

And I looked and I said, Dan, And, yo, boy, I did not know what she was going to do, though. In all due respect, I thought you was okay. But then you rhymed, and I realized you might have stopped the whole block. I think even the police started clapping. I think the police was on the corner like that. There was a clue out there, too. No, it was so legendary.

That was a legendary hip-hop moment. Do you realize how legendary that was? I mean, when I hear what you said, like, in my mind, it was. Because you don't want to over push yourself because I'm like, damn, this shit was big. Right. I've seen it from my perspective. I'm like, damn, like this was, the industry was there. No one of my favorite artists is there.

Everybody's there. And I just did some shit that's probably going to go down. Or I'm thinking it's that big. That's what got you to do. Exactly. So after the other side of him right there. The next day, the next day, we get it. The last day, Jemaine DePrew me to Atlanta.

We had like 10 meetings in like three days. This is the reason why I know because I invited Mike lightly. And then they cut me out the deal immediately. I'm like, what happened? You know, I was up already. But I was like, damn, y'all ain't gonna give me one to say? Like, something? I told you to come here.

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and you just made it and you just kept hitting him with punch lines and then he kept rhyming he kept rhyming not against you which was wrong like you took it personal oh yeah

you directed every bar toys his motherfucker and then this nigga kept kicking rhymes that had nothing to do with mice and mice he took advantage I mean he was a man you got to keep swinging as a man

he took advantage of respect that you know what I mean but I think Sean was an artist He was an artist. Artist, artist. Who's had kind of a gimmick around him.

You know what I'm saying? Not a gimmick, but, you know, the whole biggie he sounded like. He was, sound like biggie. But he was, he official nigger. I fucks with Sean. That's my nigga. But what I'm saying is, I'm focusing them too. I ain't saying nothing bad about him.

Just a different. There's a different animal or some MC shit. It's like, but that day, you know what I'm saying? I was like, yo, I don't want to rhyme after my song. On nothing. It's like in the finals I put the room out I put the room out

In the fight when LeBron was just throwing this shit like nigga nigga you know what I'm saying It's real yeah It's real And you know what it is This is the thing

We should celebrate these moments In hip hop We should actually sit back And be like you know what And Sean too Shine is Sean hit me And was like man

You killed me on that shit Oh he definitely You got to be mad at you You think you guys are worried. You got your hands already. Oh, no, this is, this is free-seater. This is important. This is why this is important.

That's why this is important right here. Free careful. Me and, me and, me and Sean got his bread. Yeah, no, he called me years later. Like, we never had that real conversation because we had the little-man situation. Y'all both, like, we both struggled to come out in the artists. I used to, I love shit. Like, I actually had love for Sean because he was one of us.

And I used to be in the studio, like, even after that shit, I used to be in the studio. studio with Sean helping him with records like he didn't let me hear shit like now I do this do that like this was my nigga but the rumor was the rumor so big because I ain't gonna lie that rumor was huge

it was like you say he was right around so that no no no relax you sound like the kid no no help it and writing and he's too in the studio now that was my nigga he's just being like he respected me as an artist same way I did with him and like he'd be in studio and we go to the studio he'd go to the studio

he let me hear shit and I'm like oh yeah that's dope boy this and that like before he dropped the who wanna fuck with us and I just like I heard that you know what I was and I got locked up when he first started playing I never was there to actually see Sean even dropping no music like I was in the studio

when he started when he started and him and Puff was actually going through shit like there was the niggas movie I know shit it was like I was in the intricate like when Puff and Mace was beefing Puff and Sean would be like I was I A&R double up like I En on that project

The Mace project The Mace project I went out to the Bahamas with Mace He flew me out there And I was in the studio With him every day recording his album He didn't even let Puff come in the room Nobody ain't gonna tell you this

But then afterwards Puff came to listen to it It was like He threw his little spin on it And he pushed me out of it Because I was a young thing Coming up in the game He's like

You know what I'm saying I hear you got your man's with you But you know This is my project Did he tell you You're his man's enough? Yeah, he said, you brought your man's in them. You know what I'm saying?

You was the man? He's like, yo, you're a man's in the school. You know what I'm saying? And me and Puff had our shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? We didn't. We didn't either. No, this is real shit.

Me and Puff grown, like, because there was a, I was me and he was him. And I wasn't relinquishing who I was. I don't even for how much money you got. I don't care about bad boy shit. I'm me. You know what I'm saying? I'm here with my man.

I'm with him. So if he ain't with you, then I'm not with you. And that's how. my stance was with anything. You know what I'm saying? So he brought me in the studio with him and I'm listening to this and the puppy come and listen. He was like, I don't really like that. I was like, that shit is dope, maize.

I don't know what he's talking about. He was like, yo, you know, you know how puff is. He was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? I know you got your man's and I'm with you. But I don't look. I just need me and you to talk. And I'm like, but I'm here though. He brought me here though. For a reason. He was like, yeah. And he'd be talking to Mace, like, oh, Mace, listen.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want to go through all this. You know what I'm saying? You got you. So, you know what I'm saying? I can picture this shit. Right? This is a little shit.

And we went through that little bit. I remember one time we was in Bahamas and I never forget it. And it was just like, you know, Pup is competitive. No, super. A nigger said whatever they went that nigger pup is competitive. Super. So, you know, he knew I was a street, nigga. He knew that I had my respect in the street.

And he fucked with tolling them. I remember. I remember men of him. You know, I don't know. He fucked with him, huh? But I was there with Mace. That wasn't even near. It wasn't how to do it with tone and none of them.

And I was there with Mace. And you know what I'm saying? I was there at Wolf. God bless her, God bless him. Every night. That was the last time I really seen Wolf was in the Bahamas. He used to bring me in his room every night. Like, yo, talking to me and kicking him with me.

Because we both browns niggas. And I was like the young uncle. So he used to give me Jews. So anyway, we inside. I don't know where we was. I don't think we was in the studio. I think we were somewhere. He brought Jay Lawn him out there.

with her. He brought Jay-Law. It was a big, you got Jay-Lo story? Yeah. I don't have no real story. I don't have no real story, but she was there and she used to come talk with us and they were to look. Like, we be in the studio, she comes talking to the same look.

Oh, the same looks? Like this, he had to die. She had to come talking to me and me. Get your muggy ass. She was from the bra. And I'm like, she was cool with us. We'd sit in there. And I'm like, jailer was flawless.

I haven't seen Jaylo in years. But in 1998, 98, 99... Did you snap her chair? I did. Of course we did. You did? Niggas, let's make some bird of my chair. That's done.

And if I could slip that shit, I wouldn't be me. She wore up in the film. Got a sniff chair. That's a real option. That's real jealousy. Jal's skin looked like somebody just made it. It didn't even look real. I was just sitting there looking at her like this.

The dickens said it didn't even. It didn't even real. It didn't really. It was flawless. So anyway, me and Puff was going You know, we just This and that And then I'm always in the room

Or somewhere I don't even know what it was So we're talking back and forth We, you know I could do this and I do this Like yeah, I know this and that So I'm like I don't know what he said to me

But somehow we started Like wrestling somehow What? It was a wrestle We had like a wrestling match I don't know if you remember This shit But this shit is so vivid

You was hacksaw Jim Doug? You know what? Hold on! No, listen The fuck you was wrestling like golf for Yeah,

What is going on? It wasn't wrestling. Listen, niggas. We got to talk. But I don't know how it was. It just got into some ego versus ego. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know what happened, but he's like, my nigger, I say you're puff.

If I grab me, you can't get out. He's like, I bet you anything. I can get out. I'll get fuck. What you say. I'll say, if I rap my own. You want to bet. I'm a fart.

I just wrap my house. I'm not getting on to this. I don't get fucking booed. I don't care. I don't get who you. Oh, my nigga. Right here. Right here.

Right here. You're holding. You're a puff who's in the Bahamas with Jayvaw. In the bed. Like, what are you willing to bet? He said, I bet. I don't even know what we bet. I know that thing was on the fall squirm in.

And I was like, Puff, you're not getting out of this. Crazy. You're not getting out to. My Nick manager walking into that. I said, I said, I said, I said, He's like, he's in a, and when I let him go, he's like, nah, no, no, let me go.

I think from that moment, we had a little bit more respect. No, he was that. But, you know what I said? Shout out to Puff, man. Because, you know why, you know why? At first, when I was competing with them, I always wanted to say, oh, fuck them, niggas. Fucking Nause, fucking Puff, fuck up, Jay-Z.

Right? But then when I stopped competing with them, I started to realize how important they are to our kids. culture. Facts. So when I see a Naz, I always want to big him up. I always want to stop and give him a hug.

When I see a puff, it's the same thing. When I see a J, I always want to stop and just give them love because the thing about our culture is we don't celebrate our culture. That's facts. And you tell them he got to relax. And then grab the bottle. Even though

we don't even want the bottle, just grab the bottle, just grab the bottle, colleague, though. There's a go all day. This is a record for a boring and shit. Yo, them two niggas, even though we don't need. No, me them two niggas, J and Puff. Yes. Them two individuals may have probably like 50% of the influence over the culture.

This is what I'm saying. Over the whole coach. This is what I'm saying. At one point, I'm going to be honest. I mean, and they hold crew to not to take nothing away from the team. No, all of them. So at one point, I used to compete with them so much that I never actually understood their genius. Sometimes when you're trying to be on the same level,

with somebody, you don't understand it. Sometimes when you're blessed, you can't see someone else's blessing. You can't see somebody else's blessing because you're living in your blessings. Right. So when I came up and everything was you know, percolating

and popping, I started to realize that damn, all these years, I fucked up. Because I was trying to be the next Rockefeller. I was trying to be the next bad boy. I was trying to, and then when I really sit back and I said

damn this whole time I should have been bigger you up this whole time that's my fault that ain't his fault because if he don't fuck with me that's his fault but my fault is I got I got to appreciate Chi Ali

I got to appreciate it on my song I got to appreciate that's okay this drink champs change this form we just do it but and that's what I want to continue to

promoting, I want to continue to promote us, big enough us. Because if we don't big up us, guess who's going to big us up? You're going to big us up. No, right. You're not a damn soul. And everybody going to eat. But the thing is,

this is the thing about life. The thing about life is me and my partner right here, we did this drink camp shit for five, six months, and we didn't get paid a dollar. In fact, I'm sure we owe $50,000.

I'm sure that all the flights that we was doing, but we believed in it so much, and we believed in hip hop so much that we didn't care. So by the time we did get paid, it was like, we definitely get paid. We didn't get paid what we put out, but it didn't matter. You know what matter is he loves hip-hop. This niggas is a hip-hop nigger. This nigga probably got your shit on vinyl. Oh, for sure. I do.

I definitely have a lot of money. He got your shit on vinyl. But that's the DJ That's the DJ And I'm the artist And the thing is Who better to To represent our culture than the artist

In the defense? That's right The artist and the fucking DJ So the thing I'm trying to tell y'all is If you never felt appreciated Or you never felt like what you did For hip hop didn't matter I'm gonna tell you today That it motherfucking did

Perfect I want to tell you that it did. No, it does. No, no, what you've done for hip-hop. I'm doing it. Like, you continue to do it. I want to. You have evolved into not only one of my favorite artists of all times,

but now you are like a voice, and you bring in stuff like this to the table. And I have a responsibility, Mice. I'm sorry that I'm cutting you off because fans hate that. But I'm going to tell you, I actually recognize my responsibility now. Like, then I didn't recognize my responsibility. responsibility meant nothing to me because I only wanted to get me up

but Drake champs supplies people jobs we have a show called on the run eating that we just finalized do not did not blow it up don't blow up who I need to be a part of that

my brother good Nickle we got you we go to the Bronx you got a little chop cheese but listen so We just finalized, and the thing is, I can't do none of this shit if I don't have hip hop on my back. And hip hop should be first.

Hip hop should be a religion. And not only hip hop should be a religion, but we actually have to unionize hip hop. I know I said it earlier. No, it has to happen. But for real, because just the thing about it, mice, and I'm sorry that I keep using you as an example. No, use me.

But every time I think of your case, I wish I was in power to say, let me hire Bob Kalina, let me hire a Scott Lehman because this nigga got to get the fuck off this case. And the thing about us is we only care about ourselves.

We have to actually sit back, give that $25,000 check, get that $10,000 check, and just give up back $100. It's not even that difficult to create this. And it could be probable. So now, when Chi Ali, something happens with Chi Ali

and Chi Ali's sitting there and he's saying, he's saying, yo, no, I ain't do that shit. You got representation. You got everything. And the thing is, you gave too much to hip hop for you not to be. I know you, I know you humble. I know who you are.

I know, and you're a street nigger. I know it. But you know what? Hip hop owes you. Not. Hip hop. us. It owes all of us because

we dedicated our whole life to this motherfucker. Yeah, it's been this shit a long time. Like this is way... And yo, yo, not the cause... It's way worth and gangsters. But I want to, you know, just not just congratulate my brother, but you know, just to see the grind

starting to pay off and just with, and it's just a positive lane. It's beautiful. It's dope. And when you, when you're getting money and it's on some positive shit, like that's the best. Like, you said, when you helping niggas, you know you helping

motherfuckers kids eat. That's dope. That's official. That's official. That's some shit you brag about. That's what you brag about. Yeah, fuck what I got. I had my son in first class. Fuck what I got. It was hard. My two men's family is because of me, that's dope. That's who's, you know what I'm saying? That's always been. And that's what we got to do. So what we got to do in hip hop

is one, continue to big each other. Like I told you, my meeting with Leo Cones. He sat down with me And he And the million dollars I lived out Drake lyrics He got to relax

Make some noise But he all sat to me And he said Why does this work And I said what Right Ali he said What does this work

And I said I don't know You know why this works Because hip hop Has never been celebrated And And at that very moment, I didn't know what he was talking about. And then I thought about it, and I was like, damn.

Because I don't interview people I don't respect. I only interview people I respect. That's why. That's why you see a lot of the old school rappers doing shows now. Niggas started to get money. Oh, Robbiz is out there for two years. Niggas is out there. The rest of Pete, easy rock.

Easy rock. The rest of beat, easy rock. A lot of people get money. Black Sheet, they love. We interview KRS 1. That nigga ain't been in America for two months. And he's not. And he was lost.

He definitely... He's not cheap. And he definitely picked up African-Batter. I told him relax at that moment. It was a new situation at the time. I'm not talking about it. No, because I had to get on some... Look at cheap.

Man, big. Get big on a terrible. He used to be talking that Zoom Nation shit. I don't know what's going on. I didn't know what's going on. I was... I said, I said, I said, no. I said, listen, we can't do that.

I said, Chris is one of my... But Chris, you can't say that. You can't just, you can't. You can't. In his defense, what did he say? It was on drink, Chene's on his defense. What did he say?

In his defense, what happened was. He said it doesn't take away from his legacy. Yeah, so what happened was this? Because it happened on Dr. Champs. So let me, let me, let me finally clarify. What happened was I asked Karras. I said, yo, what do you feel about applicant bombada? And he goes, I don't give a fuck about controversy, right?

He said, dad. That's not going to take away from what he gave to hip hop and what he gave to me. But in his defense, the nigga was coming off of a boat. So he didn't know what African Badd was accused of. You know what I'm going to ask him now. You know, I'm going to be honest. I don't get nothing out of this. But when I asked him that, when he said that, I was like, oh, shit.

And I didn't want to be like, I didn't want to stop him and be like, yo, he was accused the fucking. He said he didn't always. He didn't know much fast. But what happened was, big up the start. Star Buckwawah. Big you up. But he took that one part and he destroyed him. Like he just...

In Star's defense, he was actually right too because he did say that. But he didn't have the facts. He didn't have the facts. And me, I'm on Twitter all day. I'm on Instagram all day. So I understand. But when

Chris said that I knew, I knew, I knew that's something. I knew he didn't know what's going on. Now, he didn't know. You can't take away from his music, whatever. I'm about it out. You can't see what we can't.

Legacy. Legacy, fuck it's legacy. It's the legacy. I'm talking about you can't take away from his music. You like a song. You like it some. That's why I'm not going to take him to a trophy. I don't know if they find out of baseball players using steroids, they take all them accolades, man.

So the same shit applies in hip-hop to me. but he cheated the game. You cheated the game too, because you made a good thing he was an average. He cheated the game of life. No, I feel what you said. I'm talking about his music.

If you liked one of his songs and didn't know who I'm not. You should still like it. No, no way. You should still like. No, no, like I told you before we started this. If I can't separate the artist from the music.

If you're not who you say you are, then the music to me is completely different. If you don't know who the artist is, if you just listen in the music. Yeah, but I know now that you was raping fucking boys. I don't want to do nothing. I don't even want to hear it. I wish I could just rewind and never heard the shit I heard.

We neither. What I'm saying is when they play party people. I'm not going to move. I'm going to tell people who are right now. But that's part of their history. And that's still the same way music bring back time. I agree. But you can hear it. You know, I'm going to the old shit.

That's a bad. It's sad. I'm going to the DJ Boob and see you turn that shit off. Straight up again. Turn it off. Turn it off. Oh, boy. I'm throwing the old I'm saying I hear you. I mean, we, I mean, I'm not gonna stand up for him.

That's terrible. I can't, not be doing. Yeah, it's terrible. That's terrible. That's the point. Like, you know, listen, the other, I, I, Yeah, wait. You just keep, just keep,

just go. Knock the door, knock on the door, babe. Oh, I'm not gonna do. Don't worry, and I can get up to her. Yeah. So you know, how you do. Go ahead, right?

I forgot the line. This is the best way. Yeah. Yeah. I know what? He's about it. All right. It's his deal, right?

I love, respect everything African man by the industry, right? But at the same token, I can't co-sign anything as his allegations. You see a person

named Poppy from the Bronx, and I know this, nigga. I don't know where I knew him from, but I know this, nigga. He ain't like it. And that nigger sitting there saying, yo,

he's 40. So, can I, can I, can I, what I'm saying is homie, yeah.

You could be a rapist when I hear, I'm not a rapist. What I'm saying is, if I found that out tomorrow, ain't nothing going to change when I hear I love my life. He's in for his real.

I don't know what I love my life. That's my shit. You can't. I just say, fuck that nigga. He's a bitch. That shit did. And so on his whole.

That shit is tough. And that's what I felt like K.R. 1 was trying to express. But he expressed it in the wrong way because he was trying to say, you know, I don't get the fuck what y'all told me about African Bambata.

African Bada is my nigga. The problem was K.R.S. didn't know what African Bambada was actually accused of. Correct? He didn't know all the facts. He didn't know all the facts. So he said, this is what he said.

This is my shit is fucked up. And this is the reason Like, that's some fucked-up shit. No, we grew up around that shit. Like, my man B. Like, a lot of them and a lot of these niggas is in jail. And you don't know why. What?

You don't know why. You know what? You know, like, a lot of Bronx River live while I niggis, man. So that's the reason why. That's the reason why I ain't a lot. I never addressed it because I, I, after KRA said that was the same day, the facts came out of the whole shit. So when KERS said, now you have to realize it.

Now, put it together. You got to realize. I say, Kavana, you heard about African Madh? And he goes, fuck controversy. I don't give a fuck about no controversy. It can never take away

from when he did the hip-hop. Farned you. K.R.S. don't know to allegations. So, like, it's just like right now. That we know. We filmed this. I don't know when it's going to come out.

But by the time we put it out, people think this is new. Right now. They think it's right now. Yesterday. And it wasn't. You know what I'm saying? So by the time we put it out.

So I got to represent for CARS one. Because by the time he put it out, well, I'm glad you clap. All the allegations you're out for him. He was on a boat. He went on a boat. I can't even respond to everybody talking to shit. He was on the boat, my niggins.

He had sent a letter and shit. I'm glad you clap for this. Yeah, no, because that was hurt. Like, I don't know. Listen, KRS did not. He did not. He did not. He did not. I'm going to be honest. I'm sorry, Chris.

I'm sorry, Chris. No, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. He did not co-signing. But he did say what he said. And that's like you.

It's like, yo, what? You tell me, mice, my nigga. I don't give a fuck what you tell me about mice. And I'm going to think of that. Chee, my nigga. I don't give a fuck what you say. But we didn't know that. Y'all niggas.

He was fingered pop boys. It's like, yeah. When it caught up. I went on. No, no. It's in general. The thing. Everything.

I was doing a protest. You're protesting for like 30 days straight about the lady. Because we got to big up Mice on the Raptivist. Let me tell you something. I'm sorry, come cut you off. And my people hate that, right? But, Mice on. The courage that you have in certain situations,

I always watch you, and I wish I had the same courage you have. I appreciate it. I don't have the courage you have. You be marching for real. Like you really, for real You went to the woman's march You went to the man mark You went, you'll be marching

I'd be marching You'd be marching Let's make some noise With Marches, got there You've been wriggles You got wriggles We got briggles Over there

You got to drink But listen So I was doing a protest They killed a 66 year A woman And he shot at two times In the abdomen They said she had a badge

Mentally ill woman They walked in the house Four of them And they couldn't do nothing else But she said she had a bat A bat. Shout up for two times of having a bat saying she was a threat to their life. This is the Bronx?

This is in the Bronx. Okay. So I was doing, I did a 40-day protest where I was outside the precinct every day. 40 days straight, rain, sleep, snow by myself, two people doing with my kids, whatever it was. Whatever it was, because this is how passionate I was about it. We're proud of you. And one of those days, the guy, the accuser of Bandwara was out there with me. And he pulled me to the side.

And this was a D. He was a diesel dude. He was just like, yo, I want to talk to you. And I didn't know what you were told to me? I didn't know who he was. And he was just like, yo, man, I'm the guy that told about what anybody did to me, man. You know what I'm saying? And I want to live...

And as you as being hip-hop, because this is our father. Like, regardless of our father might be fucked up. But this is kind of like our father. That's kind of like, so when he's telling me this, he's looking at me in my eyes. This wasn't no... It didn't see, he's like, yo, man.

He said, it took me years to be able to say this to something. Yeah, because it hurts. He said, but I respect you. And I think that you stand on the principles that I live by. And I just want to look you in your face and say, this ain't no lie. You know what I'm saying? You know, I want you to look at me. And I just want to come out here and tell you that.

And that shit kind of hurt me. Like, damn, you can tell, because it hurts them saying. Exactly. You can see there's no benefit He was in jail He said I was locked up Boom boom he looked like he was fit Like you know what I'm saying

Like why would a man want to come and say Somebody raped him Like what the fuck would he want to say that He didn't get letting from him You know what I'm just like it was really It was like Dan I'm like I'm like damn beloved like I'm sorry for you He said no I just

He said you It's very few people I respect And I told my story because I needed to do that for me But I actually respect you And I respect what you're doing And I'm telling you that. Yeah. Okay.

He's like, I'm on, and I just want you to understand that why I say what I said is that I needed to get rid of that for me. Because I was living with that shit for years. And I just wanted you to know that I ain't lying on him. I ain't make up no stories. Like it hurt me to have to even have. Is this dog skin brother?

No, he was like brown skin. Okay, I know. I see him all. He was like a brown skin doing. He was telling me. So I was like, damn, I didn't even know what to say to him. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it was like, damn.

I'm like, what can you say, what can you say to him? Like, I'm out there fighting for the lady and you come with that. I was like, damn, that's a whole never fight now. He was out there marching with me. Would you? You know what I'm saying? And it just was like, damn, man. It's just like, I didn't even know.

I was at a loss. And I'm usually never at a loss for words. I found some shit. I would have been out of loss of words, too. And I was at a loss, man. So when Chris said that, thinking of my old line shit, it was just like, come on. Oh, so I just want to clear that up. I had to clear it up because I'm glad you said it because I was like, yo, Chris,

even when I heard it back, I was like, damn, it's just seen. It's being fucked up, but the thing about it was, we didn't even have the older details. So when I asked him, I said, yo, you know, yo, what do you think about African bandbiler? And he was like, fuck. Yo, but people don't understand part of being real is sometimes you got to separate the tool, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you might have to tell your man he wrong, or sometimes you might have to cross that street, man, if you're real, you know what I'm saying?

Yep. And that's what happened. But that's life, you know, forks in the roads come, man. Because at the time we interviewed KRS1, it was just a rumor. So none of us knew the facts, right or wrong. No, but that. And, look, and EF, Fenn, I'm going to be honest, the whole time I brought up Africa, my brother,

this thing is really hip-hop. He was a fifth. He was disappointed. He kept looking at the way. It's disappointed for me, because in my organization that I do in the activist one of my friends

like real close friends is part of the Zulu Nation We love Zulu Nation Exactly So it would have changed For Zulu Nation Like you should not That's one is done

It's one person Like that's it That's why you follow the message And not the message That's why you're motherfucking right Chee But that's why If you see something in hip hop

And something in hip hop is not wrong You can't blame whole hip-hop generation. You can't do that. You can't. You know, I'm going to tell you one thing. Let me cut you all. Yeah, please.

You know, we don't. Somebody's perfect. I deserve it. So that's where we got to be held account because when we see as the hip-hop nation, if we don't say something is wrong with it, right? Then they can say that it's the whole hip-pomation. Right. Because they're watching, you're somebody close-offrey.

That means silence means accepting. It's bad as them when they don't do nothing after their shooters. That's real shit. Silence means accept. So if you not So you tell me if I see something that's going on And I don't say nothing That means I coach you coached

Damn And that's why we dropped the balls of generation And that's who is the problem But you know what That's people always ask like What's it like in jail and yo How come people come out bitter and this and that And words really can't explain it

But it's that It's so many situations that you force To co-sone from your silence because you want to go home because you want to get on that trailer. You know what I'm saying? Because you ain't trying to be in a box, beat up your property and downstate,

you and upstate, you know what I'm saying? And that's the shit that when you get in that selling got to look in the mirror, when you know they pull that nigga out that line for nothing, they get ready to do them dirty and they like keep it moving. And you know you got that trailer Friday and your bitch ain't trying to hear that.

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I'm saying what I'm going to say. But my spirit tells me that's what I'm supposed to say And I'm moving in that That's the how I'm a move Everything about me, yo, my wife's this morning was like, why you got to because that's who I am. You married me because that's who I am. Now, if you change

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Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Chi, Ali, I'm going to be honest, brother. We really appreciate you in hip-hop. You was down with native tones, right? To the first nigger, Chris. The Bidon of the B-None and the B-Nuts. You were just interviewed the B-Nuts. What's that with Juju, man?

Me and Lass always took Juju, M-I-A? What the fuck are here? I think he's sniffing a lot of Coke. It's fantastic. I went to all. I went too hard. I didn't know, I noticed. Slipping Coke.

I felt like he... Where's he had the way he lived? He, like, he was just... We was on yesterday. But we did he did. Juju. Like, yeah. He was like...

They said last week, too He snipped them out I'm not I'm lying They're gonna They're gonna I'm lying I've never

I've never seen Anything That I ever said I heard you It's a lie It's a lie But I You know

For podcast purposes We gotta You know And some You don't You know I hate that Druff facts

Hey yo But I was the first I was the first time Me and Fend Joe Yes Yes Violator You originated

Violator records The records. Oh, you didn't even make Violet Management. Records. Records. First thing you were violated records. You.

Before death, June, when was that relativity? And then, I ain't gonna lie. Outside, we was talking, and you called him Baby Chris. No, that was you who called him Baby Chris. That's the baby Chris. Nick, I called him Baby Chris. Baby Chris. Baby Chris.

What's that, Barbara? Barber. Yeah, yeah. That's high as people. You got barbers? Yeah, you got to relax. Come over there. But violate us.

So describe us Chris Lytty in the 80s. I mean, Chris in the 80s, you gotta remember I was young. I'm like 11, 12, 13 when I met him. So he was running around with the Jungle Brothers, running around with KRS. These is, niggas, you know, I come on from school. I'm doing my homework

watching Rap City. So you know, and then I'm a Bronx, so, like, K. Arrest, what? Like, he was everything to me. KRS? Keras. The Jungle Brothers.

was everything to me. Kerriss the jungle brothers and when I met Chris. And he got the most disrespectful record. Chris just, yeah. Yeah. You have to teach you with the most disrespectful. He got the most,

let me take some. I listened to the bridges over the other day. I wanted to shoot myself and big myself. You don't know what to do it. I was so, I was like, ah, ah,

because that's KRS, man. I grew up to them and Chris brought me around them. But how did you meet Chris? Through Latifo. Latifo is living in Co-op. Come on. He just put out there.

The average thinking, don't have got it. You just say, like people. Now they're all was in the bra because Allison and Kika,

her dances lived in co-op. And it was like a summer live... Co-off City. Yeah, in the bro. So I'm from... You know why?

No-o-o-City? Because y'all are the only other hood that got terraces. And we got left-rack. Left-rack. So I always remember

the Co-City was my niggas. Like, the niggas was in the circus. She was living with her dances. That's something everybody was coming. Like her dancers was bad. You know, I didn't know what then. I was young, but they was

probably getting around a little, you know. No, but not every like special lead, EPMD, the jungle, everybody. Wait, wait, wait, talk about, time, time, talk about, everybody was coming through. Yeah, yeah, he tried to walk past. Yeah, he got to relax, Tial A Lee. Teahle, go on,

did he say you were to spread? EPMD, what did he say? All of them used to be up there. So, think, I'm 11, 12, all these niggas coming through and you had good hair I had good hair all the brothers that was in high school together

so it was chie you coming upstairs we cooking all right going to live in we smoking that type shit so I used to just be around and want to touch moni love butt I had to crush your money back in

money money in the middle everybody had a crudy in middle she still looking good too she's still looking good too right my baby so it was just

yo that's how I got With Chris, because they would be the him and Shaquim. I was real close. At one time, I probably was close to with ShaiChan. He's running Netflix right now. Really? I need to get with Shia. He went on Netflix right now. Shia, live.

Yeah. We got to do the Chi Ali store. No, we got to do the Chi Ali store. We got to do it. We got to do it. We got to do it. And from that, me and Chris just developed the relationship, just running around. Like, they was girls.

So a lot of times he'd be coming with me when he'd be able to you. I'm going with me. I'll be like, all right. And then did a show with the Jungle Brothers at the Apollo. This nigga just falls on us. Did you hear his history? He just hit us with a mad history.

You can't quit. I was like, it's like you were very stupid history. I was a crazy. I'm glad I started young because I'm not as old as I feel like I should be. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like most of them niggas is closer to the 50. Yes. And I'm 40.

So. You 40? Yeah, I'm 40. I'll be 40 this year. I'll be 41 in a few days. Oh, you? one year older than me. I'm 11 days younger than mice, do.

I'm 25. That doesn't support. I'm definitely 27. I'm definitely 27. I'm definitely 27. I'm sorry. I'm right. I'm definitely 27. I don't know who I'm young. He older than anybody. Listen, this thing is bug me. I'm 25.

Listen, let me tell you something. So how did you meet black sheep, dress and black sheep? How did you? Through Chris. At the time, I think, when I signed, Chris was managing them. I think he had helped him get the deal of Polygram.

So. Polygram, that labor ain't even around no more. Look at that. Mercury, Polygram. Oh, the universe, I think, on everything. You've been in the money for a long time. Go ahead. Continue to you. A long time. We've been in this. So, so, so, so. So,

what's the question again? How did you be dressed? Oh, yeah. So just being in the studio, we used to be a Kalibati. I was recorded. I had just started recording while they was recording. They was finishing up there. album and Chris basically had told Dres, like, you know, I was a kid, I was 11 and 12, like, told Dres, Chris was the first Bawa. That's crazy.

Like, Bawa, I don't know if Bawa, all you published it. Yeah, you know. I feel like Bawa all you published. Yeah, you know, I'm calling Bailwa, tomorrow. He owe you publishing, continue. Because I know what you know, Chris told Dress, you know, you know, y'all got to help with the project, you know, Chris was the executive producer.

He, you know, was, don't call on the shots. And then me and Dres just took the job. each other because everybody was like, oh my God, y'all look like brothers. Straight up. You both got to tell you. I think it's a good head. We look so much alike. When I met his mom, she was like, damn, y'all look alike.

Even his mom? I mean, we like family now, you know what I? But, um, and then we just started hanging out. Like, Dres just took me under the wind. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. Yo, Chi Ali, I'm going to be honest with you. In case you didn't never knew how much hip-hop

appreciate you. I must hip hop owes you how much hip hop wants to big you up but you too homie and Capone like yo

on some real shit I'm gonna highlight my man I'm trying to get you out to have to have with it in D.C. We got

like yo y'all wanna y'all got one of my favorite rules that got one of the best rap albums

especially by a group like and I already thank you that I love my life look look look look

let's turn soon I'm gonna be honest let's cry you're gonna be honest let's cry They said, they said, Chi Ali is on the run. And everywhere I was going, I was like, gee, you're here.

He had dreds. He had a thing that he was, buddy. I ain't going for it. I was going to put a drag one night. He had a Jamaican, you know, at all. I was in Sing, Sing, and this thing used to write me letters. Like, yo, I was just at this show, man. But I'm like, you, this thing is going to run.

He on a run. He on the run. And then I heard interview y'all did. And I'm like, cheese. But how long he was on a run, gee? like 15 months. But the crazy since the nigger bags

I'd be like your bags you think I should go here Yeah man fuck that shit That's big of me money bags Let's back Yeah but Chi Ali Mice on

Mice Mea Mice We've been speaking a lot Like we've been speaking And I wanted mice to know That not only that I want to do The interview but I wanted to do

I wanted a special moment You hit me the blue and when you hit me I was like there I just want to put in my two these are

I look up to y'all even though y'all could probably big me up and fuck that we all look up to each other that's what makes

life life so I fucks with y'all so I said damn I'm a rather do this together so then you hit me and you say

you was gonna be in Miami but I thought about it I said nah I want to hang with him in Miami I don't want to come with you

and you business and all this dumb shit I rather do this shit in New York Let's get it knocked out But I'm just telling y'all Bronx can be proud of y'all Right now

Because y'all are When I look at Bronx, the pitiful I think of Fad Joe And I think of you two brothers I appreciate I can never take it away from Fad Joe Because that's my brother And I love him

Shout out of Joe He's been around Since I've been around A long time I love that, I love the niggas Can't take that from him And um They sound's the Remy too

Purge Yeah Rich play I didn't like the second one The second one I don't even think they didn't let it get too far It's to take that off for YouTube Right now

It's still on YouTube? What's the second one? Is it still on YouTube? I don't know I'm not sure I don't think I heard it one day I was in I was in She did that

But the second one And then now Oh big shit The album is tough They got a nice album though Oh Oh yeah Oh

Fat Joe Mary Marr The album is hard It was announced On drink chance First It was announced on drink chance God damn So, again, I just want to big you brothers up.

I want your brothers to know that in hip hop sometimes, we don't do this. We don't do what I'm doing right now. We don't say, you appreciate it. Brenda would have never threw her baby away if somebody would have told Brenda, you're appreciated. So this is what I started this for. I just want to tell people, Chi, your stories is one of the realest stories in hip-hop. pop. Both of you

brother's stories is one of the most real of stories in hip hop but when I looked at that Vlad TV interview and I watched

you and I looked at your mannerism and I looked at it I said that is an aura that should be represented

because you didn't big it up you didn't glorify it you just said this is what I did and I'm not proud of it and that right

there should be the pinnacle of how we teach RU facts what you did And I know probably, you know, I love Troy

but Troy probably could look at this and say, yeah, Nora, why do you let it? No, this is not what we did. We are just letting people speak their truths. Your version of the truth was so crazy. Every real nigger in the world sat back and said, that's how you're supposed to do it. Me, I don't have the courage to do that.

I don't have the courage to sometimes call somebody on their bullshit, but you did. And I'm not saying his shit is bullshit. I'm not, I'm not dis-ineminent. This is a misrepresentation to me. No, because whenever you get on anywhere and you, and you start to big up something that shit be bigged up, that should be shut down immediately because we have responsibilities as adults. And I don't give a fuck if you don't want to be a role model.

Guess what? You're a fucking role model. There's somebody that screen. There's somebody that does something. People think you're ready. Because of you. It's automatic. So again, I'm not, you know, I'm not shitting on slime and no weight, shape, form of fashion.

But when you stepped up, first off, you had did the Instagram, John. Then you actually went to the breakfast club. And when you went to the breakfast club, you explained yourself so accurately. You explained yourself so articulately. Articulately. Dad, I sat back and I was like, damn, mice. And I was going to call you, but I said, you know what? Let me let everybody else call.

And I'm going to call him later because I know he knows I appreciate what he's doing. And so for us to be right here right now, there's nothing more that I want to do. Like, I got this platform. So what? You know what's more important about me having this platform is me giving love. like you properly I got to I don't want I don't want to interview these new guys

these new guys they got one record and they want to you know fuck them niggas I'm sorry you got you got you got you got you got to earn your shit to come over here fuck the new guys y'all ain't even on here I can't sit you really

these people say the word hate that shit is so old saturated and misused yo listen my guys say what thing let me say what you're like no no you're not The young niggas, you gotta relax.

I don't even gotta be on camera, but I understand that, all right, it's not the, what I say, real hip-hop, or the original hip-hop, no, that's not what you never said. It's never said that. It's all-hills. I'm saying,

you know, I'm saying, you know, people we say this. No, the niggas never said that. No, I believe, a lot of people do that. Right? I feel like then, this shit's saving their lives since,

certain things, and just getting out, getting out, getting like, who kind of kids are saying? Nah, nah, you're on your, You got a care. You got a care. You got to care. You got to care.

And two, two, the reason why I can't interview new niggas is because I've never been on tour with them. I never, I never have a relationship. I never, I never, I never seen them on the run and then come to my shows. Like, that's different. This nigga was on the run in my show. I'm like, you cheat. I almost want to say, you got to relax. But he came.

And he came with e-money bags. That's history. That's real shit. Am I saying the new niggas can't build their history? Of course they can. But not here. Not now. Not do slime.

But the more you come up, I'm going to watch it. Because the one thing for sure, two things for certain. I got to respect creativity. Creativity, I don't give a fuck. Even if you don't like it. I'm going to respect creativity. You're expressing yourself. Because it's expression.

People got to earn shit too. But people got to earn it. So the thing is with me is I actually had a manager. That nigga that he talked about him, he said, Chris, I actually had a manager that actually cared about my creativity and he actually cared about my financial. That doesn't exist no more. These niggas don't give a fuck about you.

These niggas are going to come. They're going to say, all right, cool, you got a good record, you bad and booji. That's it. So what I'm trying to say is I want to big up to people who survived the era that I survived. To survive the fucking shit. And it ain't about financial.

Because you can survive and you can still be down. I want to respect the people that went through what I went through and more. And they stood there like a man because it's so terrible. This business is horrible. It's so horrible I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna laugh I'm gonna smile for you But as soon as the camera go off

The shit is not that way So when I smile When the camera's off That's genuine But you ever seen Kanye You've seen him he'd be like Then he see the camera on him You're like

You know what that is That's pain It's pain because he's been fronting so long I'm not saying front In the bad way Look is it changed work again You can't wear your jury in Queens no more. City Boy D.

They try to snatch them. They whipped them out. They whipped them out. But they try to snatch your chain. Come to Queens anytime. All the jury? All jury, all right. All right.

All right. All right. You got to relax. Let's make some love for you. But listen, listen. He got his shot, though. He got his shit. He got this.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, we're going to kill him. We heard that. I walked over there with my Bronx, Nick. Mike move. My boo, he never put me in a headlock. He put me in a hell lock yesterday.

He was like, everybody, you're the only one that can't swing. But listen, hip hop deserves to continue to continue to celebrate hip hop. We deserve our people, City Boy D, Young, Really, motherfucking, who else? No, our lives. Oh, Schmo. We deserve to sit back and just continue to support each other. Because if we don't, there will be nobody else that support us. So when you've got a legend like Chi Ali with the Monclair T-shirt on, that's very expensive T-shirt.

Very expensive. At least $89. At least $89. I know. I don't know. I'm a fuck with Mon-Clair. So, but we got to continue to do that. And my son, that's how we own it.

Yes, sir. We love it. You got a remix. Yes, sir. I got that. I'm on point. Okay. I'm on point.

I got my media game together. A little bit Oh me and Mike's got a record Let's talk about this record Let's talk about the record Let's talk about the record Let's talk about the record Body

We just finished You got to relax You got a body Not that type of body We talk sensuous You got to relax We talk insentuous man What

I don't know that word What is that The pieces Man Cetius? Yeah What is that? The woman's right

Oh body Okay You're from the Bronx Y'all can't be Have a record called Biden You got to say female. That's in the Bronx. We think you're killing somebody. I'm a fan.

What I heard, what I heard about, my son, Chi Ali, body's too much. These things are catching another case. It's funny. Dr. Too much. That's what we're keeping in real gross too. Go, I get it. I get it. I get it.

You can't, y'all too can have a record. It's terrible. The video come, you gotta see the video, though. You got a video, it's done already. We ain't shot already. I don't know what the film is going on. Since you filmed it, you can't say shot. You feel.

You can't see shots. He's triggered words. You can't trigger words. You can't trigger words. My nigga, I'm so sorry. I went too far. I know you. And you took a straight shot of Sarap.

That's all I drink. Because the best... The liquor ever. That's my mom. My mom did I do that right now? My gosh boy, she a lady. I'm gonna tell you this, though. If I'll put you in a bed hug, you're not getting out.

You're not getting out. You know, T. My son. I can't think you brothers enough. you brothers enough. Listen, I want to continue to support I don't want to even say real niggers. I want to continue to say,

I want to support substance. Authenticity. Authenticity. You know, I'm dyslexic. Authenticity. Authenticity. You got to relax. You got to relax. But I want to continue to support

niggas like you brothers because you know why. Behind the scenes when a person say a person's a real naker, that's one thing. But then what happens when it's behind the scenes? When the nigger could actually sit there and give you a five

and laugh, that to me is a real nigga. Like all the realest niggas I ever met was never loud. That's right. The loud niggas the pussy, and I'm loud. So maybe, I might be pussy too. But the loud Nick, what I'm saying is, the nigga that sits there and has fun

and he smiles, that's the nigger I'm always worried about. because I know that he got something to risk. But when a guy's just, and this is what we've got to continue to support in hip hop. And I really can't thank you enough, Chi. Thank you for coming. I appreciate you having me. No, no, we're talking about, and we're hanging out in Miami.

I did this here. I'm here because, listen, when you come to Miami, it's totally different. I'll be like this. I'm different. I'm different. I'm different in Miami. But Mice on, Chi Ali, I can't think you brothers enough Because you know what

I'm gonna continue to do what I gotta do That's how we're on it, the remix is out Body, Body, Body, Zoom, video Come and click the link in my bio Chi Ali BX, Mice on NY General Shout out to Instagram Chi Ali BX, Mice on NY General Look at you guys on

That's how you know That's not, I know, I know you guys Teamwork me the dream work, baby And if the Bronx It's not If you fought like the Bronx wasn't alive the Bronx is alive tonight. Today, the BX

reigns supreme. Other than the Bridges-Ogo record, I'm kind of still don't. I don't really like that. Big shout to my brother showbiz. D-I-T-C. That's my nigga. D-I-T-C.

You know, they've been telling me coming to the shit is dope. They've been telling me that studio is a million-dollar studio in the problem, man. This shit is tough. All right, you got a bunch. Listening parties, all of that. That's my nephew.

I gotta be harder than your nephew You gotta be harder in your family You got to Thank y'all once again And we're gonna go on the balcony and smokers Chee been wanting to smoke this back with forever You can't work Yo, you'd be like this man man

I ain't gonna lie I'm gonna get in getting wet right now And you drink it straight I ain't gonna lie I was worried about you Because I'm a little bit Because I'm a drinking straight I'm gonna drink check I'm an alcoholic

And I'm not even drinking straight But I said damn But I wanted you to get Because that's my whole thing. But at the same token, as a friend, I was worried about you. You good? Let's do it. I'm not drinking.

Drink! Drink! Yeah. I got a real. I got a relax. Alright, go take a picture and um, uh, drop. Yo, finally, we're here at Drink Chance is the fourth annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. We're gonna be there.

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