Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Steve Stoute & Tone of Trackmasters | (Ep.105)

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture.In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the legendary Steve Stoute & Tone of Trackmasters !Hip-hop history takes center stage as Drink Champs welcomes legendary music executive Steve Stoute and Tone of the iconic production duo Trackmasters. Joining N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN, the longtime friends and collaborators pull back the curtain on some of the biggest moments that shaped rap music during its golden era and beyond.From helping redefine Nas' career with It Was Written to crafting timeless records for artists like Jay-Z, The Notorious B.I.G., Will Smith, Mary J. Blige, and Foxy Brown, Steve and Tone share firsthand stories about building hit records, navigating industry politics, and changing the business of hip-hop forever. The conversation dives into their work with 50 Cent, their creative relationship with N.O.R.E., the evolution of music marketing, and how branding became just as important as the music itself.As always, the drinks are flowing, the jokes never stop, and the conversation moves effortlessly between hilarious behind-the-scenes moments and insightful discussions about the culture. Whether you're a fan of classic hip-hop, legendary producers, or the executives who helped transform rap into a global business, this episode delivers an unforgettable masterclass from two of the industry's most influential architects.Make some noise for Steve Stoute & Tone of Trackmasters !!! 💐💐💐-Originally published on November 20th, 2017*Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttps://www.drinkchamps.comhttps://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttps://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttps://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttps://www.crazyhood.comhttps://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttps://www.twitter.com/djefnhttps://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttps://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This guy, one person, single-handedly, changed the way hip-hop is being promoted, changed the way marketing is being handled. Advertisement. He has finested. Every hip-hop sneaker in the world has to have a connection to him somehow, some way. And then the other guy is one of the most powerful groups,

one of the people personally, I personally owe tone because after I look at N-R-E album, I always say, damn, I should have made Trackmaster's executive producer. Because you guys was really the intricate in that whole album, and that's the album that made me a star. So in case these motherfuckers don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about Steve Stout and Tone from Trackmasters, make some noise!

Now, Stout, I want to start with you. You, they say the origins of your career started A kid and play, is that correct? Yeah, I said we're a kid and play. Uh-huh. 901, 92. Okay. I started as their road management.

So, you know, it's been a long journey since then, but like, they put me on. Wow. Wow. I got introduced to Wiz. Right. Through a mutual friend, and then, like, that's how I got on. All right. So now, in the beginning.

And you said you was the road manager, would you just say? Well, I wasn't even the road manager. I was just, I was the roadie. That's not the rest of the guy who checks in for the road manager. I'm the advanced man. Right, right. That's what I was. Let's make some noise for Hamburg again.

This man briefcase, I still don't know what that is. It looks fantastic. What is that? This is Japanese whiskey. Just, no, I'm talking about that. What is that? Oh, this is. No, no, no, no. This is, you open and it goes.

Oh, my car. Oh, my car. Oh my God. Some cigars and shit. Just, turn ads, Partigis, you know, just like work.

We're here talking. We're doing the, we're going to do this shit. Let's do it all in front of conversation, right? And I don't want to hold back nothing, honestly. I'm going to get into this really, really deep. Oh, I got tons of questions.

So I'm checking your journalism skills. Oh, I got tons. I've got tons of things. I've had this cheek cold for a while. Okay. But here's, you had a video on the internet recently that blew my mind. I think I called you,

and I told you, I told you I had a great eye. because you were in Italy, I believe. You were in customs, right? And these guys were trying to get you to pay for the wines. I didn't understand it. It was Italian wine. I was bringing it back home.

They were charged with me. Right. But the crazy thing was, I was around a couple of my friends, and we was Googling the actual bottles that you had. And this is some exclusive shit. Like, I felt like, I said, yo, this is rap class. Like, he's literally, like, I went, because I spent money on,

and I literally don't know what I'd be doing. Like just, just, and these were in particular types of wines, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It described that. Well, I can't remember what it, what, I had an assortment. I was going on vacation. I had to stop, had a business thing, and then I was going on vacation afterwards,

and I just wanted to have, in case I got thirsty. Just some, some expensive wine around, right? We get it. No, actually, it's what I drink on a regular basis. Mm-hmm. I want to drink. Like, that's, it just goes there. Like, everything else.

Like, you know, you don't smoke the same weed you used to smoke? No. Yeah, there's no, no, no. No, no. Right? Everything just keeps changing the shit, right? So, that's what it was.

And they got, they're flavoring over there in customs anyway. They just hit you with some wild Italian shit and just want you to just write a check to leave. You're scared and shit. Because it's Italian. Yeah, but I'm like, it's Italian wine.

I shouldn't be paying customs on this. Right, right. I bring it home. Okay, now Tom. What out? You was rather. red hot tone, right? Lover.

Red hot lover tone. Red hot lover tone. Did you start as an artist? I started as an artist who couldn't find a producer. So I started producing my own music. Wow. So then I became a producer

and then went and did the artist thing after, you know, I produced a couple of years. What do you enjoy more, being an artist or being a producer? Producer. Producer. Yeah, absolutely. I remember one year, Tone.

This is right after I believe it was written. And I came to you and I asked you, I said, Tom, I want a commercial record. And you said, absolutely not. Yes. I was going to say, I need a worded it radio record. And your exact words was, nope. He said, yo, I feel like, all right, Naz was a star from Illmatic, right? He was a star, but he wasn't a superstar.

Then after he worked with track masters, arguably that was his moment of superstar. Right. And I felt like at first you didn't like that because you kind of made him commercial a little bit or how was that feeling? How did you get the merch? Huh? We got you. We got you. I didn't even know there was merch. I like that. Okay. Yeah. You're trying to sell everything drinks out. We don't know how long it's going to laugh. You know, Mr. Lee. Can you pop his for me, brother? Be careful. You know your style. You're not that good. So, yeah. So what's the question? It was nice, man, because at the time,

Why did you tell him no for a commercial record? Yeah. You remember saying that? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm glad he did. I remember what you said after that too. You want me to tell you what you said? Yeah, tell me what I said.

You said, Nause was the king of the hood. And people get mad at me because I gave him these records and he turned. And he said, right now you're the prince of the hood. And I'll give you all the hard records in the world. You gave me N-R-E. You gave me all the hard records in the world. But you were staying away from like doing, but you allow L-E-S to produce a, I I think I had a record with LES or Chico DeBarge.

Okay. So when Nas first received that commercial success, was you receiving backlash or something like that? We received backlash from the moment it was announced that track masters were producing. It was never announced like that. Well, it got out. It leaked out. Right.

Absolutely. So everyone was afraid that Nause would be commercial when he would fuck it up, basically. Right. You know. What were you guys? most known for before that. Like what tracks that people were worried about it? Shit.

I think we had just finished LL. LL. You had just finished LL, but before that, the shit that broke off was the soul for real shit. Okay. Mary J. L.J. L.J. L.J. So leading more towards R&B.

Exactly. Yeah. Right. Well, we did hip hop. I mean, we did G-Rap. But I'm saying the records that popped before that. Didn't you do On the Run for G-Rap? That's crazy.

We did L Street Blues. Oh, you did it? You did not? Yeah. Oh my God. You got the hell's creepy bros. Ooh. Now stop, did Nause right?

Don't get jiggied with it? Yeah, Nause should have wrote more. Nogh didn't get jiggied up with it. He's supposed to run the whole shit. And he, you know, he was like, he couldn't, you're getting right to the Nause. I wouldn't go back to the Irving thing. Okay, yeah. We're going to get to the jicgy thing too.

Yeah, no, that's important. The, uh, Naz, it was really, uh, uh, Naz, it was written, when you coming off El-Matic, the issue I'd had... And you didn't manage him during El-Matic. No. And the shit, I was trying to manage him. And then right at the day I was going to meet him to get the whole shit going was right after the source awards. The one where, you know, Snoop came out.

New York don't got no love for... Okay, okay. Is that the same stuff for show? And Naza got locked up. Yeah, Niz got locked up. for some shit and like the record company

wouldn't even give them money to get a shirt like it was some crazy dumb stupid shit and I had just gotten a hold of them and just thought the people were keeping you

away from them and a lot and like when we made it was written it was like how could you not make I rule the world with Lauren Hill

like it makes perfect sense that is a hip hop record I rule the world is a hip hop record like it didn't make a difference what anybody said and I felt like everyone who kept on

coming up to me or coming up to them saying, oh, y'all fucking n'is up, I felt like it was every artist that just didn't want that good-looking, young rapping nigga to be a superstar. They wanted them to stay this like down. They wanted him to be like G-Rack.

They want them to be like the under guy, but never making it. I'm like, no, fuck all of you guys. Every single one of you guys. Fuck all of you guys. We're getting all the money. And if it was Biggie or Tupac or Tribe or this or Ella, it didn't even make a difference.

We got the full package. Right. Now that was your idea to put a Nause and track masters together. Yeah, I was already working with Tone and Polk. I was managing them. And then it was Nause. It was perfect. Right.

And did you know the impact? Did you think that? 100%. Okay. I like the confidence. Got that. It makes a noise with a goddamn confidence. God damn.

Oh, man. Come on. We're going to fill up on some drinks. What are we doing? Tony, you don't want to show. We're ahead of you right now. Did we see you have Tiger Bow here? Oh, then we got Tiger Bow.

We can get the tiger bone in a second, baby. You want a cigar? You need a cigar. I'm like, look at you now. Now, stop, I want you to break that down because what kind of cigar? You know, we're from the hood. We smoke the cigars just to put weed in them. No, no, this rain now.

I want to start smoking cigars. I want to start having class. I want to stop the King teaches me rap classes. You clean up a lot. You're doing a lot. I got pictures on the head. Relax, now. Relax, but listen, you like, that's a coheba, right?

This is a Cohiba, you can tell Bihiki right yet. Okay. That's a 54. Now, are you saying the price? That's the price? No, that's the gauge. That's the gauge of size. This is some fly shit right now, yeah.

I'm not going to act like I smoke cigar that I'll take me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, man. It's some fly shit, man. It's some fly shit right there, man. It's good. And now, now, red wine, why is, is this... Is red wine more expensive is the most expensive than white wine? No.

No. This is some expensive white wines? I got one right here. Oh, okay. Oh, hit this right here. How much is that? This is a penny on who you buy it from.

This is coach. This is white burgundy. This goes. White burgundy. I have never had that. No, I didn't have burgundy in France. We can try it. From France, now.

Now, Stout, they told me that you're friends with Tom Brady? Is this true? Who the fuck is friends with Tom Brady? Not a lot. Only God. He was only God. He speaks to Tom Brady. I know.

I know Tom Brady. We used to hang out. We used to play college with Tom Brady. You said it. You guys, there's great Tom Brady's story. Like, I know Tom Brady, yeah. I mean, I've been around. It's wrong.

No, I've been around. Yes, yes, I know. There's a lot of people who've been around. Don't got Tom Brady number, God damn it. Let's make some noise. Tom Brady's to hang out of that button, man. In New York. Tom Brady would play on a Sunday.

Oh, you mean he's a human? Tom is a human? Tom is a human? Right before he did the TB12 shit, he was doing all the regular human shit. He was doing human shit. I never knew Tom Brady to be a human. Yeah. Now, you also was working with genius, correct?

You have a stake in genius? I'm on the board. I don't know what that means. I know what's from fly shit. I just know it's a fly shit. I just do some fly shit right there. Okay, now, it was a time where Tupac was actually beating with Nyes. That was correct.

What was that like? for you guys because that was two total icons that you know I'll tell you the story okay so I was working at Interscope

at the time and I had heard the new Tupac album and he had that song where he was shitting on this hit him up okay shit on everybody

right and he shitted on Nas and not gonna hit him up he's on a different record but I know what you're talking about but it was on the same it was on you're right you're absolutely right

it was him Naz and Marty I was thinking of So they should on everybody. And then, like, I spoke to Nas about it. Right. And we were at the, it was the MTV Awards in New York, which was, it was tense. Because it was Death Row East and, you know, whatever that looked like and what it made. Yeah, Defro East was just a homieese from the New York, right?

Homey from New York. Well, it was, well, Eric B. was the president. That's right. That was the president of Defro East. And we were in Bryant Park. those awards were quick because bone thugs destroyed the show they opened it they shut that fucking thing down and then anyhow it was tense and big and puff

and all that was going to be there and it was supposed to be 95 because Jay was there and we went to Brian Park and Suns, Naz was there and we seen them guys coming and it was deep and then Naz made a call and it was, it got really tense in the middle.

But I did see in the beginning, Nause and Tupac, when they got into the center and it was all around them. Tupac was like, yo, you're the king of New York, man. It was like no disrespect. It was that kind of conversation. And Shook came running in, like, he got there like 20 seconds after the fact.

And ran in, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it was like around the situation going like, yo, what's going on? You know, like, and he looked at me, like, what are you doing? I just seen you in L.A. You're within a scope. Yeah, he looked at me, recognized me from me within a scope. But he's still, meanwhile, you know, Jungle got the motherfucking. Of course, we know, Joe's on this nigga.

And I'm looking at the Toe. I'm looking at the Toast on him. And, like, these two guys going out, it was a very tense situation. That thankfully, worked out okay. It worked out okay that night. because it could have been really ugly that night. You know, they were in New York

and, you know. Of course. Of course. So, yeah, I want to hear get more, because, you know, I never met Tupac, so, you know,

I want to, like, I'm going to come back to that. I definitely, we're coming on the 20th, this is the 20th or 21 anniversary of the firm? Am I correct?

20 years? Come on, Hasco. The truth of the matter is, you know what? Like, I don't want to give everything an anniversary

like that. Right. But 20 years, deserve, celebrate. Except the album could have been better. The album could have been better. It was too much talent involved. But it was monumental though.

I don't know like that, man. I don't think you feel like that, me. I don't know like that I was dope. That's what I think about everything. 20 years? Okay. As I think about it. I think the album was dope.

We just, I think we dropped the wrong first single. What, phone tap? No, that wasn't the first. No, that's a firm business. Yeah, firm business. Yeah. Well, no, it was a lot of different things. I mean, it was, it was,

You guys were making the Will Smith album down here. And Dr. Drake came down here. We were in Amelia Estefan's studio down here. We had the whole shit locked down, and we were making Will Smith's album, finishing the Oz record. Because my man, Esteban's Kitchen is one of my favorite restaurants. I had to throw that out there.

I just went to the, yeah. Actually, it's fantastic. First of all, he's fantastic. You know, he's got like a Mr. Child style, a restaurant. You know, he has 2,000 employees. God damn, let's make some more. He was tremendous. He was the craziest.

Who was the craziest members? He was the craziest members. He was buying blocks down here. All this shit down here with your spiders? He was, he was buying blocks down here. 20 years ago for a half a million dollars, for the entire block. And he was buying him in parcels.

God damn it, though. Keep talking. Yeah. Emilio is fucking nuts. Keep going. He owns all the old man. And he's all the old shit as a motherfucker too. Wouldn't you be low-key if you were buying watch? So who's the craziest member of the firm?

Throw it out there. Go for it. Come on, stop. You're eating up. You're hitting up. Crazy in what way? It could be great. It could be bad.

It could be whatever. You know what so funny about this show? They know, like, let the alcohol kick in. Yeah. There's there I go. There's pre-ar-old and there's post. But somebody's job is to look at everybody's eyes. Don't know you know.

You see this came out. This is about pacing yourself. Notice there's no water. No, we got water for you right there. We got water. We got your back. Yeah, we got water. We're professional.

Or rather, what was the craziest session, like a firm session? What was... Craziest firm session? Did you want to Bairnsville? Mm-hmm. No, I was so mad. Not with the Billsville, though.

Not the firm, bro. You didn't go up there when we were up there recording? Not for the firm. You were there when 50 was up there? Yeah, my, that was when I was going on myself. Yo, I never, you know, we got to talk about it. What, that documentary? No, me and you.

Okay, we're getting this now. We're going to go in there. Because it makes no sense. Don't worry about it. We're going to get there. We're going to get there. We're going to get there. We're going to get there.

We're going to get to take a couple of shots. I was, by the way, I was just orchestrating everything. Man, we had this whole entire town. Yes. You, 50, Nas. Yes. The thing, what's his name? The nigga from my neighborhood that I put on that turned into a fucking psychopath.

Okay. The little producer dude. Shot money. Oh, wow. All these guys. He didn't have no. Let me tell you something, style. I always felt like.

Just calling him a psychote. Correct me. You're trying to a psychopath. Because I think that this is how I feel about everything. If somebody puts you on, in life in any way, shape, or form. That's it, man. It's respect for ever.

It's just respect forever. You see what he just said, you got on, I was a roadie, I got kidding played, Wiz. I met Wiz, DJ Wiz. I would not be here where I am right now if it wasn't for DJ Wiz putting me on.

Full stop. Right, right. It's how it goes. And if I'm in your business, like when you got guys here who did shit, I don't think that anyone should be shitted on if they're pushing culture forward and they're trying

to get shit done. And I think people they make a sport out of it because it's easy to make a sport out of it and sensationalize making fun of somebody or shitting on somebody or whatever whatever. But at the end of the day it's our job together to push this thing forward. That's why I'm here. I'm here because I've watched this man

grow and I would have never done this. I didn't even fuck with him at all. I used to fuck A guy could not stand his fucking dogs. Don't that shit stop. Let's do another shot. Let's go. Another shot. We haven't even had a shot.

I know. But now, what was one of the craziest firm sessions? What was the one that stand out to you? There were none. There were none? Yo, hold on. Open the door. My man is at the door.

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It was some crazy shit. You don't remember that. No, no, that. Damn, you don't remember that. Fuck. There was some crazy stories in Miami, man. Will Smith got mad. Nobody was...

You ain't want to put Will Smith on the album? Does that what happened? Why he got mad? Will Smith snapping on Dr. Dre? You don't remember about it. Will got jokes? Will got jokes? Will got jokes?

I don't remember that. Smith is a lot of people. What I know? So why y'all think you don't remember nothing? Why do you think the firm was it wasn't bigger? Like that was the first time East Coast. Like this were two

monuments. First time, first music Dr. Drey made after he left death row was Nazis coming on on Oz's album and the first project on Aftermath was the firm. It was brand new Niggas had the tone and poke was big and they're all right and they you know they weren't like

You know they were splitting the album and you know Foxy was loose cannon What's his name? Kormega was in out I was going I was going He was in and out the firm He was getting very you know He was belligerent based off of his status This kid nature would just belligerent me I'm sorry that was big words now

not that bleakish what is it mean like telling what it being arrogant belligerent like he just like yeah like mad angry upset because why did he exactly get kicked out of the group back then

like people work through their problems we didn't have the internet so most of the times people will go behind the scenes that work out the problems but he was actually you guys have to take it a measure to actually kick him out of the group and replace him even if he would have got kicked out of the group back then it was usually the three members moved for

So what happened in that situation? You remember when he, Nause shouted it out when he was, he was in jail. On Il-Matic. And he was in jail. What I was in jail? What he was in jail? Did you see him on together?

When he got home, before he even got, came back around, he even fucked with Naws or fuck with us. What he was doing, he signed the, Chris Lighty. He scripted him up.

Okay, hold on, hold on, stop. You're going too fast. All right. So, that wasn't even that fast. You're saying, let me, Hans, you're saying, Now I shouted him out The boss started from that

The shot out He comes home And he goes sign somewhere else But was there a conversation Like not even a conversation Get out of here No Wow

No I never knew that Well there it is I thought Because it looked like Okay you and For those that don't know Chris Lyddy

God bless the dead Was my manager And was It was like You was either with Chris Or you was with stout At that time 100%

Right Y'all was the two or Mark Pitts was out there as well, as far as management go at that time. And flavor unit, too, was managing a lot of people. Yeah, but flavor unit was kind of like just flavor unit. Yeah, it was, it was, you're right,

it was, it was, if you wasn't, it was with me and Chris, it was either you were me or you were Chris, it wasn't even management, it was more than just management. Right. It was just like, we control the market. Right.

It was like, bad boy, then you had, Violator, what they were doing. Right. And then you had, a sense of what we were doing. And if you weren't with that, we controlled the market.

In New York, we did. That's right. Talk that shit now. Well, that's the truth. Talk that shit now. You can verify it. You got the computer. You got the computer.

He's got the computer. There was nowhere to go. Right. Now, 20 years later, you think Niles will be this businessman that Nines turned out to be? He asked me that the question the other day. Like, I'm proud of him, bro.

Like, I'm seriously proud of him. He out there looking good with Nikki Minaj out there looking good game boy yeah I was all right he's special he's a special dude but he got in on lift he got it on everything he's first of all his manager anthony salar is like uh you know special he's talented mean these guys are all cut from the same cloth like very resourceful trying to figure it out and naz is one of the most trustworthy people you would ever meet he he could read you and if he he fucked with you and he trusts you right i never had a management

contract with nons I never, ever, ever, ever had to even think about getting paid from him. I'd have $400,000 in cash and he wouldn't even know or care. Like, he's not like that. He doesn't move awful money. He likes nice things or whatever, but money don't move him.

So it was never about, if he trusts you and he fuck with you, that's what it is. So Anthony, you know, just kept moving it forward and got him involved in technology. I introduced Nas to this guy Ben Horowitz, who's the leading venture capitalists who happens to Love Rhymes, and him and Nas hooked up,

I put him together, and then, like, Anthony, outside of that relationship, started creating other relationships in Silicon Valley, and Nas shows up. Now, what made you... He shows up on time.

Yeah, he just goes up. That's important thing in Texas. Now, what made you fall back on management? Like, like, that was a lot of money, like, just in that business, Is it correct? Am I saying that correct? Crazy motherfuckers like you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm the guy, I got your management. No, damn, nigga. No, I think I went from managing artists. Right. And I wanted to manage companies. It was just like I still feel like I'm managing, just managing corporations rather than managing individual artists. Right.

But I love artists, and I love special artists. The guys that are really talented that what they do can't be replicated. And I have a lot of deep respect for it. And my job as a businessman is to make sure that people leave them the fuck alone so they could just do what they got to do and create and leave them alone and give them the money and the resources and the environment to be great. Right. Yeah.

Now, who was the easiest artist to ever produce for? He was that. No, I was talking around. Let's talk about it. Actually, you were, you were, you. We were pretty good. Yes. I walked in the studio.

I said I got the track. You said everybody get out the room. I played, uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, right? And you went to work. You were easy. But it's between Jay and Knott's both very easy to work. Easy to work. Now, what was the artist?

You just be, yeah, he's being nice. That was very political correct. It was very politically correct. I was not even true you lie. You're lying right now on the show. Listen, listen. He goes back. No lying on drinks.

That's right now. There's no lying on drugs. Right. There's no lying on drugs. I'll give you. Hove is the easiest artist. He's the easiest artist. He always has this shit prepared.

Now, let me give you another one. What was an artist that you was disappointed in? Like, you went to work with them, and they, they work ethic wasn't there, or they fell asleep. Tell the truth. They fell asleep. Damn. Don't say nature. Don't say nature.

Don't say nature. He wouldn't show up. Yeah. Yeah. That's his blood. You're a drink? Man. You'll pull some shots.

Good, Toll. You gotta, come on. You're just Drake Chal. Honestly, I don't know. I'm not disappointed in anybody. Germain DePree said Whitney Houston disappointed him, God damn. Come on, you gotta give us something.

He said Whitney Houston could not hit the notes that he wrote for. He didn't say she was whack in the studio. He just said that right here. He said that right in your seat. You're sitting at right now. He said that. We're just keeping it real.

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That's another good story. That was depth you have? She was young. Okay. So I think the startum coming at her really fast was hard to get her in the studio and really work. But when she arrived at the studio, she got busy. It was just getting it there on

time. She was 17. She used to come with a book bag. Right. Wow. She used to come to the studio. We were a book bag. That's right. Wow. That's right. Tone found Foxy, man. What? Tone discovered Fox Brown facts. What?

These are facts. Hold on, don't. Describe me. I don't know that. We just grew, honestly, I watched you, we watched her grow up. You're from Brooklyn too? Right. I'm from Brooklyn. Oh, yeah, I got you from Brooklyn.

You always, like, like, a Queens, nigger. Like, so I always just claimed you in my mind. Like, you were just doing queens. In my mind. I'm not drinking that. What is that? Shots of what? No, that's kind of like a tradition.

Yeah. Pop did four. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Jermaine DeVriegene. What you said, the tradition, that's it. It's a tradition. Okay, now I don't know if y'all know about drink champs, but drink champs is, I think there was not a platform that when people get 10 years

or people get 20 years or 15 years in this game, people want to write them off. People want to say that these guys ain't doing it no more because whatever. Here at drink chants, we like to salute our people. We like to give them their flowers while they can smell them, give them their thoughts, why they can. can tell them they drinks or they can drink them and they thoughts when they can think them you understand them sad so here at drink chance we are saluting you Steve Stout for everything you did in this business we have salute and we salute y'all

respect y'all salute now how about big it's not bad it's terrible it's terrible it's terrible it's absolutely horrible it's actually horrible now you worked a big before, John. Yeah. What joint you work with Big? Let's see. There's a discrepancy, by the way. We're going to get to that in a second.

Let's get to the discrepancy. We did a juicy. Juicy. The original juicy? Yes. What the original juicy? I know. I don't know.

What's the original juicy? There was no remix. That was talking about talking. Don't worry about me. Give it all. Juicy. We did the one more chance remit. Remix.

Yes. Yeah, y'all had a discrepancy saying that a good friend of ours was Rashad produced to book, No, Polka. But we didn't say that. There was a conversation. There was a conversation on that.

I think Huff said what? I would assume that's the only time we would have talked about, Jucy. No, he said one more chance. One more chance. No, I know what discrepancy he's talking about. You were talking about where Little Seas was on here and Little Seas says

Niles was supposed to be on Biggs album. Is that it? Right, yep. And we said that now is supposed to be on one more chance. But he wasn't. He was supposed to be on Give Me the Loop. I don't know which record he was going on. Okay.

But when y'all started talking about one more chance being one of the greatest records in hip-hop, he didn't give tracknasses to credit. We got to put some... We got to put some respect on their name. We've got to put some respect on their name. Let's get some noise in track music. Let me tell you all something.

I'm going to tell y'all something. I was so honored to work with y'all. Like, because it was y'all and Clark Kent. I got to give Clark Kent, too. Like, I just used right rhymes. I didn't know how to count bars. I didn't know how, I would write rhymes and just write hooks separate. I wouldn't know how to put them shit together.

And I remember going to Beersville. I remember you just, you and Polk and just pulling me to the side and be like, you got the talent. It's just fucking everywhere. And you would, and I just appreciate that. I appreciate, you know, the uncle in. I got to say, like, I felt like an uncle. Like, when I was in Bears, like, you knew.

This is what it was. We was finishing an R.E album. I was all over the place. I went to Miami. And it was your idea. He was like, yo, no. Norrie, I can't get you to focus in New York. You're going to come to Beersville.

They lied to me. They definitely didn't tell me where Beersville was. It's like, yeah, you're going to go up there. Motherfucker, everything closed at 5 o'clock. If you don't got your Phillies, you fucked up. You don't got your cigarettes. You don't got no liquor, you fucked up. You remember 50 being up there?

Yes, I remember. I did two records for 50. That was our beef. You don't remember. That was our beef. Me? Yes, because I did the two records for 50 and I asked you. I felt like our beef was always about

affirmed. You didn't feel like I didn't give you love. You're talking about y'all. Y'all. B.B. He just had disagreed. Then he got carried away. You know. And I'm sitting there going,

like, I'm putting everybody on. Right. I'm taking the responsibility and I'm putting everything on. Right. I got 50 out of his contract. He was with JMSJ.

I got him out the contract. Got him in, took Shaw money from the hood, brought Shaw money in. Talked that shit now. Then he goes Norrie. Norrie was in between. This shit wasn't right.

This shit wasn't right. Niggin, he talented. Your shit ain't right? Come up to Bezville. And then we had... And these... And these dudes was up here. He was tone and a book.

It was there. Producers under them. And they were orchestrating. We had three rooms going. Fent Fetal. Yeah. Fent Fetal. Yeah.

Fetal. That's right. And we was up there. And we were getting busy. Yes, you were. That's where the power of dollar was made. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I'm on two records in that. We were doing the whole shit again. Because you're working on my solo. And I just, so I want two records on that. I'm on, I forget the name of them shit. But yeah, man, I came around. I felt the energy.

And that's where it was where our little problem had started was because I think I called, I said, 50's album, I just wanted to get paid or something. He was like, I ain't paying you for no 50 record. I swear to God. I think y'all was in beef with 50 at this time. And then it just all trickled down. But it's all up.

We are here today. and we are having fun and we're going to drink some of your specific white wine. Goddeme, we don't got a cork open. Like, burgundy open it. I have a corkoy. And you got a specific Chinese jacket. What kind of jacket is that, style? Listen, all that is buttery, man.

I've been getting my Gucci jacket on, too, and he came and crushed all my jackets. I'm paid. And all his cases are leather. Yo, man, let me tell you something. You got to teach a class or rap class. We're going to call it rap class where you sit down and you teach niggas. Niggas don't know co-hebas. They don't know what's the difference between.

He just said a 55 miler He said a what he said he said? This is a 55 Like nobody don't know that You got a 32 and a 54 A 52 and a 50 this is what I'm trying to say You should be mad funny He got me Jada kiss

And like a Jim Jones And you sitting us down And you're teaching us rap class It's called rap class And you sit This is how you drink a Merlot Most people don't know you drink A red wine with a steak

People don't know that They just drink what the fuck They can't drink whatever You can okay Let's let's sit down Those are all fake rules. This goes great with a blunt. Can you open it up for me, stop please?

I want you to do that. So, um, okay now, why isn't A-Z? Why didn't A-Z, like, be just as big as a song? Oh, shit. Yo, I just had this conversation with Son. Right. About A-Z. A-Z, honestly, oh, first of all, if he was an actor,

he'd be a fucking man. fucking superstar. If you ever watch them in the in the in the in the interlude? No, no, no, no, no. You ever watch them in the interlude when the Biggie video in the beginning of his Biggie they're playing for money and shit?

They're playing with Monopoly money. You know, look at A-Z. He's acting. He's fucking awesome. I gotta go back and look at it. And he worked really hard, and he was all about the business. People forget, even after the rhyme on

Life's a bitch, he delivered the rhyme again though on more money more murder the same rhyme no no no no no he delivered he delivered people thought his pens just fell off after that more money more murder his rhymes is also hot right

he wanted to always make sugar hill he just wanted to make commercial records commercial records he wanted to make that type of shit and I think he had didn't have great management around him and he just wasn't he didn't have enough talent for what was coming out at that time

it was vicious the amount of rappers that was I think he had the talent no he didn't have the talent no he had the work ethic and he had to he was a polished person show up deliver it could act

he'll play it all out he was that type of guy but when you went to write the rhymes and do it over and over he didn't give his shit about that he showed up when Nass was on the record but outside of that he wouldn't write he wouldn't do it.

Listen to his music. It felt like he was hell of lyrical to me. No, that's your memory. You know certain things age bad? Like, you listen to it, you think it's open, and you go back and you listen to it, like, I can't believe I like this shit.

Damn, though, go. You ever do that? Like, you fall in love with something, even if you go look at Star Wars right now, you see the strings. Like, certain things just don't age well, and you just got to be honest about that. A's rhymes didn't age well outside of,

more money and life's a bitch. Wow. That's all. And so you never managed them? Why was that? Why didn't you? I thought like he just said it. Why didn't I manage him?

No. Because managing artists and all that shit wasn't really what I wanted to do. Wow. I didn't really want to do. That wasn't the career I wanted to build myself on being a manager of artists. I just felt, I just wanted to keep doing more shit, more shit and trying shit. My first big break came, the first producer I managed, this kid, he was. He was a Jehovah Witness.

This is really funny. You managed a Jehovah Witness. Listen to this. I'm ready for this. This kid was a Jehovah Witness. And back then, getting equipment was so hard to get as a producer. If you had equipment, you could basically ring your equipment out for credit. You can basically say, I produce half the record if you use my equipment.

That's how scarce equipment was. And Herbie Lovebug was jerking everybody up. He was a thief. Thief. He said that's why. So this kid, this kid, I go meet this kid that Wynn's introduced me to,

and the guy, his name is Steve Kitt. You'll never hear his name again, probably, but Steve Kitt, he's a Jehovah Witness. He's producing records for Salt and Pepper, and he's not taking credit, but he's getting 5,000 masks. And Herbie's managing, right? Or producing. Herbie guy on these guys on lock.

Right. So anyhow, they're producing. kid does all this shit. So I meet him, I'm like, and it's similar to the same shit I met you to him. I meet the kid, and I'm like, yo man, you don't have to even fuck with these guys. I'll buy you the equipment. I was doing real estate at the time. I bought the kid. I went to Sam Ash,

bought all the rolling shit, and it was like a Christmas list he gave me the shit he really wanted. He made up extra shit. I bought it for him, and we started producing, and the first thing we did was the theme song for the Martin Lawn show. Oh, shit. The first got Martin, we took that from the deaf comedy gym, us kick it pre, boom.

The Martin Lawrence, the theme song, I knew Martin, Martin and I, when I was a rowy. Yeah, when I was the Rodee, right? Yeah, when I was the Rodee. What kid didn't play? Martin Lawrence was the opening up. Get the fuck. I knew Martin Lawrence, like the guy that was just like the,

like the, he was just the regular dude. Like, we were right here. And when he blew up and got his show, and he's like, stop. He helped me out. I said, I can make the theme music for you. But I got the kid Steve Kit to do it. He made that, he got the publishing off of that.

He's still eating. And he's a full Jehovah Witness. I've not heard from him. But back then he was afraid, the Jehovah Witness thing, I'm only going to bring that in. Because he was afraid to take credit for music because it was against his religion. Okay. Now, earlier, you just said, you described the video with the J-Z video. It was a J-Z video.

It was a big. Now, was that the beginning of Nas and the whole dispute? Because of that, because it was said that. No, it was dead presidents, I believe. Yeah, it was dead presidents, I believe. Now, the rumor is that it was Jay wanted Nas to come to the video. I don't know. Jay and Nas knew each other before I knew either of them.

So I don't know what the beginning of their beef was. but it was definitely just in New York City it was just like who's the best rapper you know and like that's what the beginning of that beef was I mean I guess it was just normal young right by the way you gotta remember this is a 25 years old right right

he's a 25 years old with millions of dollars and not only that really millions of dollars and really 25 years old correct and like so that's the perfect concoction for stupid shit. A lot of money and young. It's macho shit.

Yeah. So the motto shit led to a bunch of dumb shit which led to a bunch of beefs. But it wasn't. None of it was really real. Except those guys have the greatest respect for one another. I mean, the greatest respect for one another.

That's one of the things that did age well. Like you just mentioned earlier, like a lot of things don't age well. That's something but age perfectly. Like I look at that, But back then, let's just describe back then. Like back then,

takeover comes out. Are you worried? You're a guy who's been in nine's career. Both of you guys have been in nine's career, at least since his second album. I need, tell him, keep it real. Takeover comes out. You got to put yourself right in the specific situation.

Where were you at nine at the time? Yeah. The whole thing. And I need you got to co-sign the story. There's a different ether out there. Like before Ether, Mika' Ethan, there was another record. Yeah, but go ahead.

Another version? There was another version. How did you know about this? I heard it. I was in the studio one day. I was like, holy, it was a little worse. It was the same beat? No, it wasn't.

I don't remember. I cannot remember. I can't remember the whole shit. Okay, well, go ahead. Go ahead. I was worried. I thought Niles was done. Rich, we got?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Tell me when we're not clean, bro. Hey, we got you. Hold on, hold on, on, on. Okay. You thought Niles was done from Takeover? Yeah. Really, it was only one shot at Nause, if you think about it.

He just said, Tell Niles, he don't want a whole. I've seen him perform it. No, no, no, no. That was, no, no, no. He put the third verse on that thing. On takeover? Yes. Oh, you think it's super ugly.

No. Okay, I'm doing it. He first did the first thing where he said tell Nause he didn't want to hold. Oh, yeah, he did that at Summer Jam. Tell Naz he didn't want him with a hole. Right, and then he did a freestyle. Then he did the freestyle. He said he went through beans.

First, well, that freestyle was. That was wrong. You produced that freestyle too, right? I think that was in a... Yeah, I think so. I don't remember. Bucking ahead. Then Jay does take over you.

I think style is 100% correct. So you said... I was worried. You was worried. Yeah, definitely. Right. I seen him perform the record. And he gets to the part of...

Where he goes, Who's the best to you see, Biggie JZ are? And then he goes, nah, nah, nah. And then takeover comes on. And I watched the crowd, I was like, this shit is a problem. Wow. So, yeah, I was nervous for Nas. I was nervous for Nas.

And how about you, style? Was you nervous? Nervous is an understatement. Okay. First of all, I was, Jay and I became friends. Um, we became really friendly around that time before that. and Jay's a very secretive dude and he never told me that he was doing that

or any of that kind of shape so I kind of felt betrayed but I honestly felt like it was all a ployed just to like there wasn't really a friendship actually that's what I felt like you felt like you and Jay Z was a friend of that I'm like this ain't no real friendship and you're going to just shit on this guy

you're not going to tell me and I got the Hammestine ballroom and he performed it and I'm in the rafters the Hammers team board room is like a theater in shit and it has like those like opera fucking balconies. And I thought the shit was going to snap

and break. That's how crazy it was. Right, right. Yeah, and that was young Kanye West on the beat. Right. Oh, I totally forgot Kanye. Kanye produced a takeover. Holy shit. I totally forgot that. Yeah, so that was young Kanye on the beat. And I was nervous. I thought Nas's career

was over. And Nas was really in no position to the way he was carrying himself, the way he wasn't taking as seriously. He was a lot of shit he was dealing with, man. His baby mom's shit, just a lot of shit, man. You know, Nostak's care of a lot of people. And then he didn't, and actually, back then, because it wasn't people thought it was over, it was that his response was kind of slow, right? I think it was like three-by-thous. That's Steve style. Okay, okay. So what happened was...

Talk about that, Steve's style. Come on, I'm gonna take some of you other spurs and wine. We made the, um... Tell me me some of that. Yeah. He's drinking that coach. So what happened was taking time with that. Okay, stop. Let me try how I'll pour wine, stop.

Let me know if I got a little bit of class. Let me know if I got a little bit of class. I like that. You know what I'm saying? That's perfect. And then like that. And then like that. See, I did pour too much.

That's right. Wine and what you're supposed to be like in rat class. See what I'm saying? You're going to pour me in two shows right now. Look ahead. Okay. So, all right.

The takeover is out. You want to this story? Yeah, everybody's in this stuff. No, no, no, please. Nah. I just want to make sure everybody's into it. No, everybody's into it. And they told us to have a light crowd.

We usually have more people. We told them that black crowd. You have something important to say, but we're gonna, um, about a new and else. But, but we can, so anyhow, go. Okay, good. So, the whole shit's like a fucking mess. And the six months, he gave respond.

It wasn't, it was a three months or six months. I don't know that part of it. Okay. But I had that beat. That was the first beat that I had. That was the first beat. that I gave Nause. The beat for Ether,

I took the beat, I gave it to Nause on the album first, not for Ether, just to make a record, I forgot what this shit reminded me of. They reminded me of something. And I'm like, yo, this shit right here. And Nas, he didn't like the shit.

So him and I, we were, we went to a really tough time. That was the lowest point of our relationship. during that period of time. Nas and I, we weren't speaking. I was executive producing that album. And you're saying in between after takeover. Take over to ETH.

To either. I'm not speaking. Yeah, I'm not speaking to Nuzh. We're not working together, but like, you know, like a bad marriage. Very distance. You come, we come home and we. And when you say it's the first beat, you gave him, literally like you, that you say I picked this beat for you.

You know, when I make music, when I work with artists, I get involved in every aspect of how you injure verses, how to fucking chorus, shit, the beats, the whole program. So you're like damn near production? I just never took, I hit a producer. My bad. I get credit for what I do. He gets credit for what he does.

You know, I just have a point of view, right? So, okay. And I gave it to him, and he didn't fuck with it, and I didn't speak to him for months. And he worked on the album. He made that album. I forgot the name of the album. Son, no.

No, I think that's, that's not hip-hop. It's still matter. Oh, still mad. Yeah, I was just saying the one with the bird, the pigeon, the pigeon, and that still matter.

That's still matter. That's still matter. That's still matter. I believe. Go ahead. So we're not working on this shit together, and like, he calls me in,

the album's about to go to mastering and I go to the studio, and he plays me Ether. It's like two in the morning, and he uses that beat. Now, we weren't even, So the fact that he even called me to the studio the night before mastering was because he wanted me to hear like, did I go too far? Is this fucked up?

And I get there two in the morning and jungle is on some fuck stout. You know, fuck that. You don't stop. Stop. Fuck you. And I'm listening to the shit and I'm like, I take off my week. We stay in here all night. We got to fix this. This is a mess. This is a mess. If this shit comes out, you're career is over. And he made the record. But there was a version, there was a different version of it with the same beat that was terrible. Thank you for hitting the AC. But then it was a beat, it was terrible. It was horrible. And like, and like, and, you know, it was, it was the proper response for what he was in. I mean, that's a heavyweight man. By the way, when you see Nas and Jay together, it's like looking at Ali and Frasier. Yeah. It's like two guys, like we were punching each other in the motherfucking face. Yeah, yeah, good.

As hard as we can. I understand now. And we were respecting how much we could take the punches to the face. That's what they did. You never seen those shit like this. This was at no LL KooJ battle in Kumo D after the Kumo D was already on the way out. And this is, this is happening. This is happening at the right time.

In real time. In real time. And like, and somebody's going to lose and somebody's going to win and that's just going to happen. And the fact that they did that and nobody got shot and nobody got stabbed. That's what you should be fucking big in up right now. I think that's what you're going to do. I think both of them, I think that was both of their best time of leadership. Because they were actually saying that to their crews.

Like, yo, this is, like, this is on record. Like, they were actually saying that. Like, you know, I remember Jay had to do freestyle with the, everybody on Hot 97. And he went up there and he rhymed with, I think, when he first got his Phillies boys. And Nyes had called me and was like, yo, we're going to do the same thing. We're going to go up there and do it. And from the beginning, when Niles called me, I said, do we need bail money? He said, hold up, y'all.

It's not that type of party. We're just going to go and rhyme against him. And I knew that. And that was a boss move as a leader. Wasn't to let people know. Like, look, look, we're going to dispute them. We're going to do whatever we've got to do. But this, you know, we're going to keep it hip hop.

And I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that part of hip hop. I still enjoy that. So now, in between that part, you guys are worried. Now, Itha finally is put together the way you wanted. It drops. How proud are you of that moment that. When the whole world started down on him, he dropped that one.

And Ethan was strong enough that even when Hove responded, he didn't have to. That's how strong that one record was. Yeah. See, a lot of people don't know, don't say that. Like, Hove is two to one. So when you compare Hove and Nas battle, it's like, Hove actually has two.

Nas had two records, too. Mm. You know the freestyle. Mm. You know, the freestyle, but that was like... That was how Super Ugly came off. Mm. Super Ugly, the reason why I think Super Ugly

isn't a classic is because you actually got a person that you've never seen emotional, be a little emotional. That's why I think people do. who didn't receive that record. Ethan was one of those records, man. No I'm saying. So we, what is it too ugly?

No, I'm saying. Ethan was one of those records where shit like that starts to happen. It gets you off in your things. Oh, okay, okay, I'm supposed to. When you, boxing, the nigger, hit you in the face, it throws you off in your new, new plans. We got to do new styles. You got here everywhere.

You start changing, you start doing new shit. Change the strategy. But the most important part of what this is about in this topic, we can go inside of Naz, Ethan, J, this, that, and the third. The fact that those guys, they put their money on the line. You see back then, if you get,

when you lost, what you really was betting was your career. Your career. You weren't betting a million dollars. You were betting your entire earning potential. Like when Al Alvado, cannabis, cannabis was gone. Yeah.

He was gone. Careress and Shan. The guy, the loser's done. Yeah. This is scary. The loser is done. And so when they did that, that's what they were playing for. And the fact that they never turned it into anything else.

And they both came out smelling like roses instead of shit. Better people. And grew after that. And grew after that. Together they actually joined. By the way, anytime I'm around both of them together, it's like, I don't even listen to anything. All I do is shut the fuck up and let them digs talk and feel so fortunate that I'm around. Two of the greatest writers that ever walked the face of this earth.

That's how I feel? Now how intricate was you in the squashing of that? Like now you got business with both. They both just went out of each other horribly, and then they both grown men. You know what? I wasn't involved. Get the fuck.

I really thought that would have been you. No, I was in squawed. Because I was involved in other beings that was squashed. But not that one because... Because I thought like Hove was always shouting you out to like kind of like... like elbow nose a little bit like stout holler at me man like i'm fucking with your your your boss like i'm fucking with your top guy like you know what i'm saying like that's probably why me and dam you never

got along we're gonna get into that too I don't know guy like that got so good I didn't know where to go with that I didn't know where you wanted to go with that I'm here why you and dame never got a why I just said that's why I thought we didn't get along because if james was trying you out Yeah, I think because of that, I think that, you know, he was the smart guy. Right. He was the smart guy at that time. In my opinion, and this is, I can't speak for Dane, but I think that's, I think we had him on drink. Of course, we had, I know we had him on drink chance, but I think he always says that.

Like, it was Lear, and I believe your name came up. He probably didn't see me. I don't think he did. Okay. He wouldn't see me. Okay. Maybe he said that to me all, Cameron. Okay.

He was a smart guy at the time. And Damon, I spoke to Damon three weeks ago, and I told him, I said, Damon, I finally now understood. Wait, wait, you spoke to him three weeks ago? Recently, you said? Three weeks ago from today. Wow. Wow. And I called to tell him, man, I got to tell you that I really do understand everything you stood for

and everything you fought for. Right. Like, if you look at, again, young and money. Right. Bad concoction, right? Damon knew artists should be independent. Damon knew artists

should own their rights. Damon knew he was fighting for all of that stuff. Damon actually knew how international the art of hip-hop was. He knew everything. He knew everything and he knew who to fight for it. The problem was he knew it, but the way he handled it could articulate it.

He could articulate it, but the way he handled it to make it a business was just disgusting right but he wasn't his theory was correct the way he handled it applied it

was wrong I get it and I told him that and he's like it took you long enough and I'm like you fucking can't even just say thanks

but you know that's Damon and that's cool and I respect and I respect wait wait wait wait time about he said

that's what he said to you three weeks ago took you long enough that is damn like a motherfucker man dude Oh man

I was You know For me I was just like The one thing I've always Pride myself on I think

There's a lot of things I am I'm fucking smart I knew the shit I know the shit cold I know the business cold I know the artist The music This I could see this shit

Before it happens And like I knew what he was trying to do And where me and Jay Became Friends was almost like what I would say it to him or the way I would package the information

it felt like we were going forward it didn't feel like fuck all these niggas these niggas it didn't feel belligerent we were actually coming up with ideas and thoughts that was going to move forward not just shit on people to get there right there's a way to move forward

you can shit on people to move forward or you can do it in a charismatic way and I felt like the way I was doing it Or maybe the way I was doing it was more charismatic, much more advanced, as far as moving forward. Now, Tom, have you ever produced a record for an artist where an artist just another artist, and you had to feel awkward about that? Yeah.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I mean, L.L. and Cannabis was with it. Wait, wait. You produce the house right here? Yeah, I mean, we got back. L.L. Cannabis, you know, I need some fucking water. You water is right under you. Right, yeah, get busy.

It's water. We got water. We got water's all over here. Yeah, we get back to the studio. Cannabis has the verse. It was a dope verse. When you were you going to doze cannabis shit too? Yeah. You wait, when you have produced both for her?

He's like Sammy Rojoich's. No, that's Don King shit. That's don't game shit right here. That's not even, you, you, you wore both fighters out. To the wing, and you said, I'm leaving it with the winner. It was just on that. It was just on the 4-3-2-1 joint when cannabis said the rhyme.

Wow. And then L.L. went into spit after he heard cannabis' rhymes. And then he changed his rhyme. And he changed his rhyme. Right. I felt a little weird about that. Why? Because Al wanted to change.

Yeah, because, like, you're going at a guy who's not even here. Blind science. He's on your record. In fairness, we had L. on here. And Al said, um, he thought cannabis fully went at him on that record. Yeah, he said, yeah.

When he earned it, he told. Listen, Elwood was looking for beef with anybody. By the way, you know what? I looked at the L interview. I love that guy. Man, I love that guy. That guy is my favorite rapper of all time. When I grew up...

I'm drinking more, you're expensive shit. You got to go for it. I'd see that guy at block parties. I've seen L.L. about battle guys in malls. L.L. grew up as a battle rapper. Right. And he's just so fucking competitive

that he never... I mean, he had no... I mean, we do the fucking record, who shot you? He shits on Fox and female rappers too. I don't get him about to throw. Why would you just a girlfriend? She goes 17. Ha ha ha.

Wait, you're fucking up my child away right now. I never do that. Yeah. Oh my God. Why would you do that? He just can't control himself. Oh, shit, I never knew it. L.L. is dope, but you asked me if that bad.

That's a weird. That's a weird rap of all time. I love all that shit. The A to B, the C, the D, D, D. The obvious, I think it started as rock. I was into the albums. The whole shit. The A to B, you don't remember that.

You remember that? That was like the intro of one of his albums. Oh, who's? L.O. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. I was Walking with a Panther. I love Walking with a Panther.

Okay. I love LL. But he'd just be so competitive for niggas for no reason. And maybe cannabis. He could have put cannabis to the side. Absolutely. He gave him some OG. No, he definitely could have, come there.

Everybody understands. He doesn't want to do that. He doesn't want to do that. He's got a geek game. He didn't want to do it. He's gone. None of them. He put a dead ass up.

That's something in the art and shit, though. Like, as a DJ, are you competitive with other DJs when you go on? I mean, of course. That's the same thing. Okay, so now describe that for me as a DJ. Like, what, a DJ comes on first and then? I mean, it just depends. Yeah, it depends on the platform.

If it's a club DJ, it's a battle DJ, whatever it is. But yeah, you don't. You don't want certain, you don't want this guy. What, he went on, he'd play what record? And then you get mad at the records he played. Yeah, he's an opening. If he's your opener and he plays some records, you're like, what the fuck is he doing?

You can't play the hot record at the time. You got to open it. You got to relax. You got to relax. You got to relax. Now, tell him, what's the best ever of hip-hop, my brother? 90s hip-nies hip-hop, man. You're going to go for the whole 90s?

Shift, shit. What, you're going to go for? I'll go from, yeah. Or you'll go from Elmatic on. Because I feel like. the mid, early mid-90s to like 97 was like... The best decade? No, no, he said which is the best era.

He said, oh, you're going to define by a decade? We got to be... I don't think it was ever a great decade. Right. The whole decade didn't ever made it. There's a reason why the decade never makes it. You want to hear it? Yeah.

Hell yeah. As soon as shit gets hot, if you listen to 88 is the best year for hip-hop, by far. Is listening it's probably every run the MC.

Right but two Run DMC Run DMC Forget no that was the Run DMC

album that was that was their comeback album in 88 actually Right yeah Public Enemy

Public Enemy of EZE NWN NWA and EZE the same year Yeah and Karras

one I mean 18 18 albums that came out that year that is just ridiculous

EPMD launched the whole just the shit But it feels like the late 80s set up the early 90s.

What happened was after that happens, the way the business was at the time, like anything else, these guys are all either on independent labels, cold chilling records, select records,

this, that, and the third, and profile records, and they blow up. So what happens after that? The majors don't know who to sign. They just sign a bunch of dudes who rap and give them

some bullshit story. So then all of a sudden the truth gets water it down by the bullshit. So 87, 88, when everybody was scrambling to get on, you had to be nice and shit. That shit works. Irby and Raqqin, 88.

Then all of a sudden, what happens is the money comes in and fucks it up. Like this is bullshit. Like, this area where you're right now, this is dope right now. All the artists is here. In 10 years from now, five years from now, it's not going to be like that. It's going to be fucked up. The artist's going to go somewhere else.

That's how this is like, this is like, what is this? You talk about when what? This used to be the hood. Yes. It used to be the hood. I know. That's what... I mean, it still kind of is.

No, that's what happens to get the great shit. Right. That's the hood. 88 hip hop is the hood. He's just doing whatever. They're not even doing it for money. Right.

This area is a perfect example. This is where all the early hip-hop parties were in Miami. This is what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden, the money comes in, and then somebody decides to put a Mandarin Oriental next door. Exactly.

Right, right, right. Then all of a sudden, the artists have to move out. That's what happened in rap music. And every decade, something happens and all of a sudden so it was 88 that happens and you got in the early 90s that was awesome got Wooten you got Biggie

you got Nas, you got J and then all of a sudden the money comes and then all of a sudden got a shit on a thousand guys right now that all of a sudden got record deals and opportunities not because they were talented because they were rappers and it sounded like this

and everybody was looking for a copycat version Is that happening? No I'm saying when you got to look at errors So if you look at 87 to 89, let's call out an error. You got to break it down in three years. I wouldn't break it 10 years. I'd make it three years. Because you'd have three years for this neighborhood to work.

And then all of a sudden the money comes in and fucks the neighborhood up. 87 to 89, 92 to 96. Yep. And moves in blocks like that. Doesn't move in 10-year increments. I see that. That's all. Now you was a guy to bring.

Rough riders, the Interscope, correct? That was you single-handedly. But you didn't have DMX. No. Was that hard to do that? Because although Rough Riders was looked at as a great company, but X was like their cheesy.

By the way, I'm a marketing branding guy. We understand. All I seen was the awe. I'm like, I seen the awe. I'm like, I seen that all, and they had motherfuckers riding on motorcycles standing up there. On the motorcycle there with no hands on,

I'd never seen that before my life. I was like, this. This is it. DMX is the beginning of a lot of shit. So I want to, and D is amazing. D. We just had the audience. Young Swiss.

That's why it's me and Swiss is type. Like, those guys are just talented as motherfucker. And like, I had actually, I've met DMX in the last five years back then. I never met DMX. But I was interested in D. That's, ew. Law, Swiss, the same. and the logo.

The brand. Yeah, I knew that brand was the business. Wow, and you knew that was a marketing guy behind that. That's what you're saying. You knew that it was like orchestrated. It wasn't just like they just filmed it and it was just art. Like you knew that, you know. Anybody, you ever see those videos, man?

Of course. It's the best shit in the world. There's guys riding a hip-hop on motorcycles up the West Side Highway standing on the seat with no hands. It's crazy. Going 100 miles per hour. It's crazy. Who the fuck does that?

Crazy. You know what? It's hot, but it's also this jacket. Yeah, yeah. You're looking fly, though. You had a choice to me. Yeah, you had a choice to me. You're in Miami.

You're going to keep looking fly out. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. So, now, that was like, that was like the year of the black CEO. Like, it was a great time for the black CEO. They had people like Dame Dash in power. They had people like Steve Stout in power.

I believe even wasn't your executives at Sony at the time? Yeah, I was up at Sony at the time. Who else? Mark Pitts, I said him earlier, I'll say him again, I'll big a mark. All these black CEOs at power, we are staying less

and less black CEOs. You don't have a Darren. I don't think so. I mean music business. You see in the scene? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, put me on style because, you know, I like this wine. I like, hold on, time out. I like this wine. We had a lot of black executive at the time. I think

What Coach K is doing in Atlanta is ridiculous. Coach K, that is me, goes in them? That's me, goes in them out of Atlanta. He's dope. Young, there's some other kids. It's Coach K and Coach Tech. Remember. Well, by the way, Tech Tech.

By the way, both of them. All right, let's not get confused. I'm talking about Coach K. Coach K. I call Tech Tech, Ted. And one is Titty Boy. One of them is with Titty Board. That's Tech.

That's tech. All right, look, it getting weird right now. Let's talk. Right. At least a little more point, though. A two change. I can go with him. You got Tech, him.

Coach Tech is with two chains. Coach K is with Migos. Top Dog. Top. Big up Top Door. Those are my people. Yeah. Top.

Then you got my man, he's not, he's not black, but he might as well be black. Ghazi. With Empire, yes. Empire, yeah. He black to me. Yeah. We got no Latinos at the top, man? What the fuck are we doing, man?

What is the hell? We just talking about Emil Sepon and buying blocks. Yeah. He's on the Hipon side. It's too much, man. Too much, though. I'm trying, man. Cuban's too much.

That's shit, man. Everybody went over, everybody went overlau. Let's go. You went out of questions. No, hell no. I got, I have loaded. Listen.

So, stop. Running, like, running through the era of hip-hop, and was there ever, like, because people always wanted to know this. Like, it was, like, I said it earlier, I alluded to this. The setup is ridiculous.

I alluded to this. People always wanted to know this. Yeah, because it was like, why you and Chris Lighty? Like, was it underground, like, management beef at that time, you and Chris? Because it just seemed like, like I said, I alluded to it earlier. I was like, if you were getting money at a certain period, you was either with Chris or you was with Stee. Like, straight up, like, I'm talking about at that one period, you know the period I'm talking about. Was there ever, like, problems?

Because it was, was it five scenes? Well, Chris, well, I mean, how do you talk about this? The man passed. Right, no. This is such a tough conversation to have. Of course, of course. It's a very sensitive thing. It's easy for me to just say, you know, you know,

Chris did this thing, you know, you know, Chris was, Chris was a very special, talented dude, man. He was a, for me, when I first came up, I looked up to him. and then I became his peer then I passed him and it was

I had to deal with that he had to deal with that but it never but again back to what I said earlier it never changed my respect for him Chris tried to manage him tried to take him from me tried to do all kind of

crazy shit while I was managed but I always held on to the fact that I looked up to him as a man who broke through in the business and everything that he did and he taught me a lot so there was never a beef with me

Now, somebody else would have it as a beef. I love a ticket as a beef because I had so much respect for them that I let them get away with passes. You give people passes. If you respect somebody, like if you're a friend with somebody, you love them, you give them passes. You can't hold them accountable the same way as somebody you don't really fuck with.

The person you don't fuck with that one shot to fuck you. The person you love can do it over and over again. You find a way to make it work. And that was our relationship. Or you make excuses for them. You make, and that's what I'm doing now. not. Right.

Like, you just, no, you just always have a level of respect for him, and I have respect for him, Mona Scott. Mm. I love Mona Scott.

Like, everything that those guys were doing, to me, I take it, I appreciate it, I wouldn't be here today. So it was never really a beef. It could have been a beef,

but there was none. There was none. Beautiful thing. Now, you're on puff. Y'all, like, cooler now. Like, y'all had an incident. What was it over?

It was an oval puff. Yeah, I can tell you the whole thing. On the cross? Yeah. What happened? So. In the Nas video. The Nas video. It was hate me now, I believe.

Yeah. So I was going back to the thing, man, I told Lenny Santiago this the other day. Okay. He's my fake cousin in the industry. You know, I'm my Santiago as my last name. Yeah, Lenny S. Yeah, Lenny Yes. Our last name is Santiago.

That's really weird. Yeah, it's very weird. We always just, it's not. You guys are still doing that. You guys are 40. Yeah, like, I knew him when he was 18. Yeah, yeah, we both 40. a fact, Steve. Thank you, thank you. I gotta stop this immediately. I'm taking your advice.

From this day off, boy, we're, but I do call them my fake cousin. It's not like we say, like we're real cousin. But go ahead. It's a problem. So the, the, uh, fucking Jay comes out with Hard Knock Life. I'm fucking pissed. Fuck. How the fuck can we get this? These motherfuckers got a record. This shit is so big. Who produced Hard Knock Life? Don't tell me. I don't know. who wrote 45 King. Which, by the way... Hey, King Capri involved in that. Hold on, hold on.

Jay first heard the sample from from Kit Capri and he heard this shit and 45 King produced it. Right. So they heard the snippet of the loop but the Annie record. They're 45 King produced it.

So now, just take you inside the mind this young Steve Stout. Right. What am I going to do? I can't sleep. Right. There's no way I can sleep.

This guy has a hip record. Right. And what are we going to do? And I went out and I found, I heard hate me now. Was Pretty Boy on the original? Pretty Boys on the record. He was on the original. This is what the joke.

This is what the joke. This is like, you know what? Steve is taking this thing way too seriously. They checked out of this part of the process. Like, I'm finding the record. I don't get the fuck if it comes from him. Whoever, I'm finding a record. I got to beat Hard Knock Life.

Period. Fuck everything. I go find the record. Foxy plays me the record doesn't even give a fuck about it. Wow. Like this shit is stupid. She said that

Derek Angeletti produced it. I called Dida. I'm like, Derek, you produce a song called Hate Me Now? Pretty Boy on it? How could you not even play that for us? Because back then you could call producers like you had the right to get the first hot beats.

Of course. Especially you have relationships. He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Hmm. Foxy made that up. Didn't shock me. Wait, what? She said that Derek produced it.

Derek didn't produce it. Oh, wow. She was trying to make the record like, like it was a great song, but in order to make it to market it like, oh, we got beats from Derek Angeletti, me or it wasn't Derek Angeletti, as I find out when I called Derek.

So then I call her brother. I call Pretty Boy. Pretty Boy. I'm in the studio. I said Pretty Boy. Gavin. I didn't call him Pretty Boy. You did.

So I said, Gavin. I was the lame, I was sorry, man. I said, Gavin, you got to come to the studio. He comes to the studio, and I play in the rough. I'm like, who did that? He goes, I did. I said, you produced this?

He said, yep. I said, go get me the masters right now. Right. I want them shit tonight. I buy them from stuff. I want that record. That song. He said to me,

I'll give it to you. I need a set. I said, what the fuck is a set? I still don't know what I said is. He said, imagine chain and bracelet. I said, I got you with the set. I can't do it right now. But go.

It's cold as fuck. It's the winter. I said, go get the shit. He starts to leave. I said, no, no. Give me your mink. I took his mink coat. I left the mink in the,

I said, leave your mink in the snow. Oh, my God. to you, when you come back. This is getting weird, style. Let's go. It's not getting weird. No, not weird. It's not weird.

It's just different. Let's go. I'm in, I'm in. I'm in. Trying to get the song. He took his meet coat. Because I don't think he's going to come back. I just feel like it's mad cold at this time.

I don't know. It is cold. It is cold. I feel like it's getting to me. I feel like it's 40 below outside. You let him leave with a t-shirt. I thought this was drink chance. Yeah, yeah.

Did he have a sweater on another? It's not a freeze. He could have been the word of me. I don't know. He wasn't just... He wasn't... He wasn't... He was about to get a set.

Good, got it, stop. He comes back. He comes back with the record. Big up Gavin. He comes back with the song. And now's it. He was trying to sound like Puff and Maze. I was about the axed.

That was the next thing. He was trying to sound like Puff. Puff was the biggest star in the world. I get a record to Naz. I'm like, I'm telling everybody, this is the single. Everybody, I don't care what you do. I don't care what anybody does.

This is what we do. doing. This is this is gonna beat hard not like. This is a fact. Then yeah go to Queens and no no no no okay I'm keeping this guy so then so then after that we go now as records the record how many times that I make how many times that I mix that regular over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. There's such a valuable lesson in my life with that song because I wanted it so bad I wanted it so bad. Talk that shit stuff. And he recorded that mix.

Then Puffy recorded it. Then we go to shoot the video. The video's a million dollars. Woo. Hyde William wants a million dollars to shoot it. Puffy has this idea. We're going to drag the cross through the desert. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And Puffy told me

something, he told us all something very smart back then. I think about it all the time. He's like, when you want to do something like really fucking shocking, but you got I'm in, he had shot this R. Kelly video and they were in a convertible and it was raining or it was snowing or something like that. He's like, that's when you do that shit. Like, you drop the top and it shit's raining outside. That shit is dope. Like, we're gonna perform on the top of a bodega and light that bitch like it's Madison Square Garden. I'm like, oh shit. And Hype's like,

that's what I did and can it be so simple? The Wu-Tang video, I made the projects look beautiful. And I'm like, so now I got the vision. We're going to Hate me now. Jesus went through being hated. We're going to do this thing in Queens. We're going to light this shit up. All right, cool. We go through the whole thing, shoot the video, a million bucks spent,

and Puff two days before, his Reverend doesn't want to be him on the record. Puss. On the cross. Puff, on the cross. Puff as a reverend who did. He didn't want me to be on it. And I have to respect what his reference says. I'm going to Sue.

I'm like Puff. Because they were black crows on the cross. And this was very, very dark. White Williams put crows on the cross. But they didn't do that as they were actually there, right? I don't remember. I don't remember. Okay, good.

It could have been there. CGI shit? Huh? Was it CGI? It was dark. It was very, very dark. And I could see why a preacher or something of a man or religion would have an issue. And it's blasphemists to,

If you're religious to represent. Yeah, yeah, right? Right. Doesn't change that the narrative is ridiculously dope. You know, it's still cinematic. They're on the other side of Jesus Christ. No one ever talks about the two other guys. Right, right.

Oh, word. Yeah, the thief. No one talks about those guys. They were the gods. This is Spencer Wild. Oh, fucks with it. So go ahead and continue. So the...

So he wants... His past gets mad after. His past knows before him. Pass knows beforehand. Oh, this is before? Before. Before, and Puff is like, no, no, no, no, no. But the edit's already done.

So then they do another edit without him on the cross. But this is the part that Puff got... I'm the manager does. The record company spent the million dollars. I didn't spend the money. The record company spent the money. They have two videos done, and it's a TRO world per man. Everybody wants to deal on TRO.

And the world per man, that's what a rock artist would get it. The rap artist wasn't getting that. Right. It's huge. Yeah, his hip hop is not getting that. But now we're going to take down Hard Knock Life. You know, anyhow. This is a T.R.

It comes out. The head of the record company, it was the head of Sony music at the time. This guy named Don Einner. This is a guy, this guy absolute racist. Let's go there, stuff. Right? He dropped 50 cents. He dropped the leash of keys.

He did not fuck with anything if it had a problem attached to it. This Columbia Records is saying. Columbia Records. The guy who had it was a complete pig. This guy. Straight up. Yeah. This guy puts up the money.

So now when Puff wants to change the video, Donnie's like, I already laid out the money. But I can't even, I'm trying to get Puff to see the other side. But I can't control. They're putting that video on a TRL. When the video goes up, if everybody holds me responsible, not even knowing that there's a guy who wrote the check who's like, he knows what that course scene is. That shit was half of that million dollars. He's not taking that shit out for the TRL Warper Man.

Yeah, he's accounting for it. Puff sees the video. TRL goes on at 3 o'clock, 302, 4 niggins in my office. They jump me, they beat me up in my office. Oh, sure. 302, 303. That's what happens. What?

What takes place within years after that is, like, my relationship with Puff, we both came up at the same exact time. We're both, we may be doing this. Because he came up with Heavy D, right? Yeah, we may be the same time as the kid in play. The two oldest guys who've been doing it the longest, maybe, because I remember I was in Puff's office

when Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS. Like that was 92. Like I remember specifically being in his office and he was promoting a party. He worked in Uptown. Like that's how long I know this guy. So our relationship was long and it was always a mutual respect.

Even when he was as big as he was, the biggest star in the world, I never felt like I couldn't call him or whatever, whatever, whatever. So when that took place, It was fucked up and I was embarrassed naturally I was embarrassed because I didn't want that to be To define who I was like some motherfucking bum-ass nigga that got junked I got me up and nil is bullshit And definitely he called my moms apologize to my moms

Wow that's that made more to me than anything else wow and in like you know that's how close you was You yon each other but when did he when did that happen they apologize when it happened he immediately call my mom's. That was the immediate thing. You get to call my mother. No, no, you got to call my mother. First for the jumping? I'm so confused.

Yeah, my mother doesn't know if I'm going to die in this music business. All she's doing is looking at all this. You got to call her. I need to get that off from my back. Like you, everybody knows that. Right. So we got past the mom thing.

And then, no, it was why. It was weird because it was a very pitiful, pivotal point in my life because I'm like you know I got money too I can hire soldiers we could do whatever like you could do that right you could easily do that yeah like a tip for tat yeah you can definitely play that game

I'm not that guy he's I'm not that guy and y'all was cool enough he knew your family that's no he didn't know my family to call my mom it wasn't about he knew my mom he to call her whether you knew or not the aftermath you look at it now I mean

I stay in his house He stays in my house You know I'm proud of him I'm not a situation That age well Yeah Well how do you all mend that though

How do you all amend that? How does that happen? Was it due Niz? I felt like Niz No, Nause was worthless In trying to fix it Oh my fucking damn Jesus

Without the baby with the bath water No, no He was worthless He was trying to fix that Oh yeah That situation Not that he's not the grill The greatest artist

Right Right Right Right In that situation Right? That's all. Come on, man.

That's not playing the one. You're both two tycoons. So how the hell there's two tycoons work out a problem that was misfortune? How does this happen in real life and real time? Yeah, we could all learn from that. Yeah, we could all learn from that. Well, I have to walk around for two years and people saying, didn't Puffy hit you over a head with the bottom?

I have to walk around. I have to own that. Right. That didn't happen. But, you know, I got to. But that's over your head. Yeah, I got to hear with them. It was no Instagram back in so whatever they say.

By the way, that feeling could easily allow you to go get some guns or some guys and go do something in order for you to feel like you were, like you weren't a victim. Like you were just somebody, like you weren't, no, I'm that guy. But we got to, in life, you got to play the marathon, man. You got to play the long game. You got to play the long game. But I'm here, this guy at Chris Lighty's wedding Oh, no, this story I heard

from many times So, well, you're going to hear it from me now He invited me to the wedding, and I was like, you're disrespectful You're going to hear it to me on tape This guy at Chris Lighting wedding Is a drunk fool at this man's wedding But he remembers it quite clearly

And he's going around And he's flipping out on me And it's like, Chris Lighty's wedding And this guy, right? I'll tell you some. He wasn't. It's in Miami, by the way. You remember the record we produced,

I was Mary J. Blase was like a firm. Yeah. We can't remember. Yeah. This is the thing. You walked in, it hurted my feelings so bad. I took you off the record? No, I was still on the record.

But y'all said, you walked in and you said something like, you show up we're going to keep him on the record. In front of me. Like, I wanted you to two-way that in or something. You just said it in front of me. But you know what? And let me just say it in front of me. say something. I recently

came to you and Nas his thing and I apologize you because you know why? You didn't give me, it's not that you didn't give me no love. You gave me the toughest love ever and you being from Queens and we being from Queens. I realized that 20 years later that

I needed that. I needed you to be tough on me. Like when you walked in, I was the only guy that was on that record that wasn't firm. You were supposed to question that moment. No, no. Don't Chill, chill, let me big you up, because this is big enough. And so those years, I was mad at you because I was like, damn,

because, like, I was used to people being fake to me. Like, they all talk about me behind my back. You actually talked about me in front my face. Are we sure we want him on the record? I'm like, stop! Two-way this in! Diggas do that right now. Two-way in?

And even I'm leaving. you questioned whatever it was and I needed that tough love like listen listen listen because that's who makes me who I am today I had and in retrospect when I hear you speak about other artists I could see it because Chris had invested me a little early and I was Nye's friend

and Junkus friend but I just didn't have no like you said structure so I understand later it's just like you said you just called Dave that's why I felt with you and I was like you know what? Because the thing about it is I don't I I want it that way I want to just be able to if somebody don't see it see the picture I like that like you know what I'm saying like I mean now I can realize that you know what I'm saying that's why I'm here today

that's why I'm here today because you apologize you said it to me I was tough on you yeah I listen to all your music thing right right you used to take rhymes off yeah say some crazy shit that was not yeah when you but you could also write right Listen to your rhymes on T-O-N-Y. Just listen to what you say. Then you go to some other records and you don't even give a fuck. It's definitely true, stuff. Yeah, and I'm like, you can't do that.

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That's a fact. You know, by the way, what's the name? That's, what's, I'm leaving? I'm leaving. Oh, my God. I killed that. You know what I said? You can't tell you.

No, you definitely. You definitely killed that. That was nature session. No, you, you heard of bully, man. It was a bunch of, damn. I was a little bit. I do agree with you. I got to get on that.

I got to get on that. Listen, listen, okay. Describe that. That was a session. It's in LA, remember. It's in LA. Right. Right.

Okay. We was wrapping up the firm album. Yes, I thought I was finished. We had to put Naito on some more joints and Norrie pops up. Yes. I need to get on this firm album. No one, they flew me out. I actually got flew out.

I got $15,000. That song I think originally was four. That's fantastic. I know what was fantastic. I know published down. I just was, I was happy to be a part of a classic. Continue. It was for nature.

No, it was nature session. That's how I remember. I came in and you played the beat and nature had nothing for it. And I couldn't resist saying, I got something. Exactly. And I went in and look, see,

let me take something. This is the crazy shit. A lot of people don't know. I come from the unique days. Like, I'm sorry, I'm gonna show how I'm 40 years old. I'm 40 years. Stout already blew me up. He must have Googled.

He said, you, nigga, you're 40. I just guessed. Yeah, everybody's 40. I'm 40. No, I'm really 40. So, I come from unique studio days where you write the whole rhyme and you lay it as such. So I remember that. I lay, I'm leaving.

Remember the tape, the two-inch reel. I had laid the whole rhyme in front of nature. And they was like, didn't we say this bitch? So they had, like, I laid the whole, I'm leaving. Like, like, I can't say one take, but I had, because I had, had an idea. He was trying to, yeah, it was definitely wasn't one take, but. Nah, he knows that. That one, bloody money part two.

Remember, we did, body money part. And we did, that chop up his verses, maybe, you know, because that's how I saw rhymes. Back then. Listen, listen, I had wrote rhymes back then style as a whole thing. The song is ridiculous. But I would do 30, right now. I would be do 32 bars and then. You don't play music?

Like, if we say something, you can't hit. like a boom? Oh no, no, no, we're trying to pay no publishing company. Let's live, stop. What are you doing? You should relax these stuff. You didn't want to relax you the whole episode.

The whole episode is like a documentary. He's like a documentary. He's trying to use art to pay. He's still in management in heart. In heart, he's still trying to get into that. You want to get back to you. You want to take us to that level. Look, let me ask you something, Steve style.

And tone too. Look, you know sound exchanges, right? Now sound exchange is right? It's something that is internet BMI, it's internet ASCAP. Right. It's the government. Now they pay you for every song. So now, let's suppose in on a podcast.

A podcast is something that you don't play music or whatever, right? But let's suppose, because Steve said, I feel like me, you, and told me, get some money in this way. Look, we're gonna start making sound exchange. Recognize a podcast when we play music. So now... Are you in time? Sound Exchange for podcasting, period. This is what I'm saying.

Listen, listen, listen. Sound exchange pays you for what you, your internet internet. Let me have some questions. I'm not going anywhere. Hold on the second. Okay, cool.

Because, you know, I became a member to the Soho House today. And I'm not even going to get my membership. Y'all, I've changed these stuff. I'll tell you. I can tell you. I can tell you. I can tell you.

I'm very proud of this, right? I've never played the game. You know what was my problem coming up? I just want. He's a different dude, real. Yeah, actually. It's crazy, right? You're a different guy.

You're going to. You're going to be going there already, stop. Listen, I realized I fucked up. What I mean by that is some of the most famous years of my life, I didn't want to play the game. You ever watch Arnourge. Where Artie Gold says to Vince, you never played the game, Vince. Like, I had success.

I went platinum, and I still wanted to hang up the tunnel. I never wanted to go over there I never wanted to go to like That's not, hold on stop Okay Oh on Dead You could throw it out

It's not like You shouldn't have made money When platinum And you still shouldn't And you still shouldn't I went to the tunnel All those things are cool You

You just weren't If you don't take your craft Seriously If you don't work on your craft You take it for granted Take it for granted I think is That's the issue

The issue is taking it for granted You don't fuck the Sovo House You just don't take the Soho House The food isn't great It is great The vibe is good The food isn't great But the Malleable one is fantastic

The Malleable one is a separate vibe That's a whole number of thing I got that membership too as well I'm sorry Come on guys Come on guys We're not members of the soul Yeah you gotta relax

You get up You listen I know what you begin I screen my movies Let's make some more brand new house too Let's make some noise for E.M. and Brian and Bradenheim. But shit. Look, he's the guy, he's never gonna show you he got money.

Like, he's never. Like, he's never. Like the media of cell phone. Yeah. You can say he's in, too. It's a human being. Like, now, hip hop. I'm sorry, we're gonna change the subject real quick.

Hip hop, it's really actually has a chance to be wealthy. And for a while, people only had a chance to be rich, or be what I like to call, or nigger rich, now it's a real chance for us to have wealthy and wealthy babies. We are. We are. We are. We are.

We are. We are. I'm gonna take a shot of your whiskey. I never did this. I don't be drinking all the niggas strong. Oh my God. You're eating, motherfucker? No, I'm drinking, but you should you want to.

Yeah, right? I can't get my soulhold card. Fuck the soul. Fuck the soul. I need you to teach me more. It doesn't make a difference. I'm right here. Okay, you're going to teach me more. I'm going to call you more off.

I'm not going anywhere. I'm texting you. I wanted to do this, man. Don't tell me about the fucking soul eyes. Okay, okay, I'm so sorry. But you know, this is my first time. Look, but look, look, you got to teach rap class. We got to.

I'm teaching it right now. But, I mean, in all actuality, right? So he wants you to be a good idea. Guys, look, the issue is the following, man. At some point, you've got to really believe that you're not full of shit and getting over to make some money. You just got to know that.

Stop the hustle. You really are talented. You really are good. You really are bringing more to the table than anybody realizes. And once you start believing that, accepting that truth, then you'll start making deals

that are applicable to what you are putting up for the transaction to work. And that's how we're going to make all the money. Like whether it's a bigger... I'm entering the music business again. I'm going back in the music business. That's the announcement you're about to make?

Yeah, I'm going back in the music business. You're making a label? And I'm going back in the music business. Hold on. Everybody be quiet. Hold on. You're going back in the music business. We need a black CEO.

I spent my time. I learned the music business. Then I went and I built an advertising company. Yes, you did. Nothing about advertising. Yes, you did. All of a sudden, everybody got cool advertising. I was there five years before you knew what was natural to me.

Right. You put Pepsi with who you did Mountain Dew commercials. How about the AIJ Kish commercials? How about the AIJing this? I ever said with your Jada Kishman with the beat, tone, with the white background and the... You introduced...

The JZ sneaker, the J-Z sneaker, that's what I said you to the sneakers, all that shit, they wouldn't even be no sneakers. Not hip-hop sneakers. No. Every time he had something to do with the Yeezys because then I'm gonna be mad at you again. I don't know no no no no no no I got no free easy. I have nothing to do with the easies.

Okay. I'm saying that Jay Z was Jay Z sneaker the first hip-hop sneaker? There was a failed attempt to do it. Who Jay Z? No, run DMC with Adidas. Oh, Adidas fucked it up. Oh, okay. Damn it at Adidas.

Because they didn't have you. No, they fucked it up because they didn't. No, they didn't. We blame it on you. They ain't have you. In the Jay-Z shit, the G-U-Nit shit, the ice-crew shit, then we started doing. How monumental was that? Because that was the first time you see Jay-Z and 50-cent.

Actually... In a commercial. In a commercial. Yeah. How monumental was that? Did they go back and forth? They went back and forth, rapping. For me, that's what I do, man.

I'm really, really nice at what I do. No, we know that. That's probably why I was mad at you all these years. I just wanted some of the help. Let's just wanted some of your money. Come on. Keep it there. Not the money part, but I really see it from that perspective.

Anyhow, going back to the music business. I feel like artists, there's always going to be big artists. There's always going to be artists who don't really need anything other than the fact that once they get up and they rock, they can go on tour and make a lot of money. Then there's a lot of artists that are not those big artists. And they really do need help. And if you're going to sell money, you're going to sell money, you're going to sell money. you're going to sell music and it's going to get streamed

and you get all these streams and by the time it goes through your label and get to you you make this amount of money you already know you're not going to make any money from the streams you're going to make your money touring selling merch something hats on all this shit so we're building a company called United Masters right and the job of United Masters

is specifically to be able to take all the data that comes off in your streaming and allow you to find those people in the real world so that you could sell them merch and tickets and shit directly. So you don't have to no longer go through the label to do it. So it really is more... So it's not 360?

No, well it's... It's an agency or a platform that people can... It's because of the agency to become a platform. It's a platform that artists can go on and then figure out exactly who their fans are so they can sell shit directly. So anybody can go to the platform? Any

artist. Right. Any artist. Right. Any artist who's invited to the platform can go up. Invited, okay. Yeah. So meaning, okay, so you just can't be somebody off the street and just post your shit on there. You have to be invited. No, in the beginning, we want to make it close.

We just can't do it with everybody. Yeah, because it gets crazy. Right. You know, it gets crazy. Nowadays. Eventually, is it like a bangcamp.com? No, we looked at all those things off. And why all those things didn't work.

What's bank? And actually, they're very good platform. I'm sorry. The name I've never liked, but the platform is really great. They gave artists tools. Not at all. Banking can give artists tools to be able to understand how to make money outside of just the music business. I'm taking everything that I've done in making artists money outside the music business.

You want to talk about the work that I've done in that area? Yes, please. Because I mean I just... Yes, I would like you to take the lead of this conversation right now. It's fantastic. I've always been the guy to figure out how we're going to make money outside of the music business. That's one thing. That's a label.

That's this. That's that. But how are we going to sell sneakers? How are we going to sell more tickets? How are we going to get endorsement deals? Push a T writing, I'm loving it for McDonald's. McDonald's, yes. This is all you're saying to do.

That shit is crazy. So I've always been trying to. And you made that deal. Yeah. What made you think push a lot? Tateka, right, I'm loving. And Mick Donald, and every race said that. And I heard grinding.

I'm like... Grinding. I'm like, I just like... See, that's why I was mad at you. I was on a remix of grinding. You ain't anything that about me. Nah, fuck. Here you go. Justin Tiberlake wasn't involved in that process?

Because I heard of interview. He was. He was. But Putschette wrote the rap. He wrote the shit. Push a T was the writer. Right. On that.

He was the thing, man. He was the whole shit. I put the whole shit. shit around push a tee. Justin Tim Blake was the front man. Push the tea was behind the scenes. Right. Which is crazy.

Makes the most money behind the scenes. He's probably the most drug dealer rapper in the world. And every time you heard I'm loving it, you have never thrown to push a tea in your life. And he doesn't want you to. He just wants to take the check. Until just now. Anyhow.

That is dope. So the fact that now, what I want to build, and this is crawl, walk, run thing. We'll get there. Three years, five years, ten years, we'll get there. Is how does artists stream their music and then be able to know who the fuck is streaming my shit? Because if they like my shit, if they listen to my song...

Identify the audience. Yeah, if they listen to my song 75 times, then they definitely will buy a Dream Champ's hat. If somebody listens to every episode of this show, wouldn't you love to know who they were to sell them this hat? That's what we're trying to do. That's what I'm doing. And that's what we're building.

And we're putting a team together to do that, And it requires the delicate relationship between storytelling, culture, and technology, and putting those things together. And that's what it is. And it's not a pie in the sky idea. It's the next evolution of where we need to go, where culture needs to go. We need to know who our super fans are. Super Thub.

Now, are your partners on that? Yeah, of course. God damn it. So you're going to produce this shit? No. No? No? Tone is strictly executive, man?

Tone's strictly executive. Tone is helping find the artist. But I was gonna say something, you said something, man, shit. You're doing, you're just into work. That's what it's what happens. This is why this shit works. We all over the place, now. This is why this is it works, man.

You take the good with the bad. But if you knew exactly all the people who watched a show and you were able to say, you know what? There's 100,000 people who would love to buy that shirt, wear that hat, Wear that hat. Oh, yeah. You're going to upgrade us right now. You want to be in that business.

And you don't want to go through anybody else to interrupt that relationship. Right. Just so you know. And, by the, Instagram is cool and Facebook is cool. But they don't really tell you. Is this a direct-to-consumer type of deal? Ultimately, we're building a direct-to-consumer business. Right.

Yeah. Just so you know this, pour another shot. This is just as you know, this is eight and nine clothing store. They're doing their thing. We partner it up. And with the drink champs, they handle our. merchandise and this is dope but we could definitely use your expertise in helping us in a direction because nigger don't nobody on earth have tom brady number besides you you got to relax

and you got to make some noise and sleep out there so would we ever have like an era like we had again like we it was like so much years of great great music or is it more about making an artist of like Because because right now, like, it seems like the music is just so disposable. It doesn't. I don't want to, you know, we can't. Please help me out with that. It's tough, bro.

It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Believe me, it's tough, man. Because, because remember, like, remember, and, like, I don't want to date us, but in the 90s. In the 90s, I'm saying all of us.

In the 90s, it felt like when a, When a record was a classic... You don't like it? When a record... We just talking about something else? Oh, no. That's for all cameras. That's our people's right there.

You gotta relax. Listen, but in our day, it felt like back then, right? When a record was a classic, it actually held up. I wanted to wait for my partner. I didn't want to do it. He did. When you come back? Okay.

God damn stuff. I feel like you want to go there. I feel like you want to go there. I'm in. What? Ian Ben? But back then, didn't it feel like a record, like, lasted longer? Look, you know what it took it to me too. It's style for it this time.

He wanted to record. But look, didn't it feel like a record lasted longer back then? Or now these records come and they go. Like, like, for you, for you, right? Style, I'll direct this perfectly to you. These people will come to you and say. You are French Montana's Syracat? Yo, no, they drank that shit all.

You didn't get the French, you know? We got it, yeah, we drank it all. But listen, you know I'm rapper-friendly. That's E-40 shit. We used to have Bel-Hare, but Young Sab, he'd be slow. But, you know, we got Delian. But didn't it seem like back then, like the records, when a record was a hit,

it actually lasted 10 years. Like, they actually spread, as opposed... It wasn't 10 years. Like a classic, I mean. Okay. A classic holds the test of time. Yeah. Are we not seeing that?

Like, the record's like, you'll hear somebody ill. I'm just popping me, and I'm popping my car. And then... What song do you think now will last... You'll listen to 10 years from now? That's the real question. Not many. Not many is a good answer.

Which ones? Damn. I think some of Kendrick's records will. Yeah? Yes. I can say that. I think Drake has a record. Is that will?

Yeah. I'm gonna give a little Uzi Berks some love. I don't really care of you, blah, ah, that shit does something to my soul sometimes. Like, I'm just, I ain't gonna lie. I know I'm an old nigga, I'm 40, it's facts. I'm not going to my head, but it's something... Who?

I mean, but catch you to me is not what he's described me. It's something in my soul that comes on and I just be like, ah, shit. I don't do his dance that he do. He got a dance, I don't agree with it. I do not agree. He'd be like, he do something. Oh, that's not. I tried one day.

I said, oh, you better. How many songs did Nellie make that work 10 years later? Other than country grammar? Damn style. You're going to dance, time? No, damn. Nothing that I remember. Beyond.

So Nellie made one song. No, Down, down, baby, he's still. It's still lit. That's country ground. That's country ground. I said that. Oh, damn. He said it.

So what's your point, style? I'm making a... High hair. High hair. But I don't know, I'm... Hot in here, right? Hot in here before country realm. Yeah, okay.

Okay? So let's say Nelly has three songs. How many songs does Jira will have? The last 10 years. The last 10 years? 10 years later. Now. They're still resonating.

Everybody gets weird when the question comes up. No, no, I'm asking you. No, I want to understand the question. The question is, how. today, he's saying hips hits won't last. So he's saying, I like

Little Lucy Vurt, this one song, blah, blah, blah. My question is, and I'm going to take it around. Yes. Back from our era, right. When classics were being made. Right, right. How many songs Trunelli played 10 years later? We're saying two, maybe three.

Right. All right. So then I ask Jaroor. Right. I'm trying to make the point. Oh, Jaro. I'm trying to say that nothing's changed, actually, what I'm getting to. I feel like Jai Ruh got a lot. That plays right now.

I mean, in the parties, I go, I don't know old nigger. They still rocking Jaru and the party. I go to Wood Tavon. I don't know if you ever been there. Huh? They don't play. Oh, the new clubs, we're saying. Now, what's the point that you're really trying to make it?

Yeah, he's got fucked up. He ran from the point. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I'm good at. The point of the matter is, yeah. In our definition, definition of what a head is, it is. We may look at

our era, we love it so much that we covered it more than we listen to the music today. We're like, this shit is disposable, this shit is bullshit.

The truth of the matter is a lot of music that we listened to back then was bullshit. Was bullshit? But we don't say that. But when you look at it 10 years later,

Millie had a great commitment. So it's a generational thing. It's a generational thing. It's three songs. Jarl, tell me how many records it is. And I hate to use those two guys. Because outside of Nellie, outside of Nause and JZ or Biggie, those are the guys, right? Those, those.

That is differentiation. What you're saying right there, because to me you're saying like the Nause, the Biggie, that's like Bob Marley. Yeah, forget those guys. That whole catalog is going to be revered for life. And everybody else who came on the heels of that, hey, what did they do that works 10 years later? Right. Right? So now we're going to say, oh, Kendrick, Drake, whoever.

And now we're naming only artists 10 years later. That's all. And if there's a bunch of guys who made a bunch of records who made some money in between, fuck it. Fuck it. I don't want to shit on them. Fuck it.

They're doing what they had to do. He walked in a fucking session. That wasn't his. As a asshole? No, no. It was called work ethic. Good word, thinking. Work ethic.

You know? So like just sitting on, believe me, I went through that process of like, man, I hate this shit. This music sucks. I can't believe this nigga has no rhymes. But then you realize that's what the generation likes. What they're supposed to do? Do what doesn't work? Make music for you and me?

Right. We got great bands. They don't want to make music for us. I said, well, all the way white. Why? That's not even called grade normal? That's not even going to my bed. So that's not it's called gray no more

It's called white I got the gray beer gang t-shirts But it's not working no more I mean you're looking with my bar I'd be like to make sure you get rid of that Don't put no ink No I don't do no ink That's what I know somebody who do that

Hey hey Everybody I know somebody who does that I don't know I don't know That Beijing maybe I decided I'm not going that No

Once somebody you got to go Beijing You never went Beijing Are you crazy I never went Beijing I don't know. He's a weird girl with shoe polish hands. Exactly. So now, we ask the best ever at hip hop.

I don't think we really got that very clear, to be quite honest with you. No, now, listen. We, we, we, we, we turn our ones. You define the air, what the, you define the, I think it's, I think it's 88. 87 to 89. Rats, lyrics.

90. I say the 90. He says the 90 is. That's what happened. That's why we're not confused. Because he said 90s like a decade, and then he started saying three-year increments. Oh, okay. Okay. So, we're in disagreement. That's beautiful. What's your favorite era? You know I'm a 90s guy, because I came out. No, no.

Let's use the three years increment. Three years. Look at the lyrics of 87. Look at the lyrics. I'm going to be honest. I'm talking to my partner here. I'm going to be honest. We recently had Irv got me on here, right?

What did he say? Too much. Great stocks. Great stuff. Great stuff. We love him. But, like, I always... I know Irv when he was a kid.

Good. Earth and I was in the kindergarten together. No, no, no. Yeah, well, wait, the same style. Don't nobody go ahead. Kindergarten with another... Yeah, got pictures together? Yeah.

We have... We have... Big... We're kids. An Irv, he was, uh... I never heard a nigga in Kirkland, but nobody still know. This is so hard.

I'm so sorry, it's a moment for me, style. Continue. You are an Irb County in kindergarten. Is it Charleston Chul's involved at any point? Yeah. Now, later, how about this? Herd and I'm not with the kindergarten first, second, and third grade together, and I'm born on the same day.

I worked with Irv's brother as a bank, we were both bank tellers at Chase Manhattan Bank. Manhattan Bank. Oh. Chris Scott? Chris? Yeah. Y'all working with the money early.

Oh, yeah. So check this out. This is crazy. Drink it more, yeah. Irv. When he was 14, we had an Afro, big ass,

a motherfucker African afro. He got, was Mike Geronimo around? Was Mike Geronimo around? Oh, Mike Geronel? Okay. A fake Nazles. What?

That's what you call it Mike Durrano? So anyhow. We go, this guy is hilarious. He's like, I wasn't ready. You're hilarious. I wasn't that ready. That was ready.

That was not ready. Stout came ready, I think, man. He's like rambled at dream champs. I so appreciate you right now. Continue to be that guy. Continue. Sonny out. Irv is DJing in the park.

In spinning at 4. 14 years old. You know, like, when you see the young kid who's a genius and everybody's like, oh, look at this kid. That was Irv on the one and twos. He was a genius. Irv was spinning and cutting at 14 years old. And while everybody else was in the seventh, eighth grade doing normal things,

he was the highlight of the party, like featuring Irv Gotti, this young genius. Irv Gotti is a very, very, very special talent to do, man. Like, I fuck with him. We've go back and forth, like, you know, whatever regular nigger shit. That guy is really talented, loves hip hop. Loves hip hop history. And I have the most respect for him. I think Tails, what he's doing with Tails is dope.

I think he's going to fucking win. I think at the end of the day, when it's all over, Irv Gotti would be at the top. Let's make some noise with that, that day. One of the funniest stories in the war. One day, I'm a murder acre. A lot of people don't know, me and John Ruhu, when he was 12 million, and I was gold, we lived next door to each other in New Jersey. It was crazy because I had six cars, he had six cars,

but his six cars was way different than my six cars, right? It's 100% that, man, it's one. But one day, Erf Goddy is in the Murder Inc. office. I walk in there. I'm going to get my friend, my next door neighbor. Daru drunk. And Erb comes in and he says, Steve Stout, he's not talking to me,

he's talking to his crew. He says, Steve Stout just told me I fucked up the way I talked to Niz because I talked to Niz and I told him I wanted him to own his masters and I wanted him to do this.

And Erv's exact words was Niz want to think about Africa. You don't. want to go to Africa. What's that true? Damn, look, I can tell it is. And I looked, I was like,

I was, I said, I said, I was like, it's funny. It's funny what you're saying. I swear to God, I'm in murdering office. Why a mistake? I'm just there. I just happen to be there.

And then, and this is Irv got exact words. He said, you scare them off. He'll never come with you guys. Irf is just over the top, man. He just, I can't control himself. You know, where do you start? He's a family.

I don't know, wherever you want to go weird. I'll say, I'm gonna tell you, there's certain rappers that I think would have been way better A&R guys than rappers. Fat Joe. Oh, Nari. Oh, Darry. These shit don't be a bad. Judge Buster.

By the way of it's French Montana right now. If these guys were executives, oh, God. That's what I was trying to say. Crazy. Buster Rhyams finds hit records. No, Buster Rhyme find hits. Fucking Fat Joe finds hits.

It's ridiculous. Fat Joe's crazy. Fat Joe is one of the best A&R guys, period. But nobody knows that because he's trying to make the record himself. He gave the record to somebody else. That's great. You, my friend.

Yes. But I'm finding the media outlet right now. I'm running media right now. It's the fucking fantastic thing. I'm going to throw that out there. You know, I was always mad at you for BAMP on TV. Wow. Oh shit.

We're going somewhere deep. These fans are real hardcore fans. You don't know TV? No, watch what you say about BANF on TV. I can. They might be in your DMs. You know Swiss producers? Yeah, yeah.

Thank you for it. Thank you, you, no, everything. I was really upset that you didn't really bring the... You rap last on that, you were supposed to go crazy. Because that's when, that back then, rapping last. Men's the... You were there, rapping rhymes. And you...

You think I didn't perform, man. This is why we're gonna have beat for good. You gotta relax now. You look at your bandit TV versus... You don't like your rhymes, me? No, that's because... You probably wasn't like your rhymes, me? You probably wasn't living with it.

Everybody talked about nature's wrong. No, nature showed up. Listen, let me just tell you. Now, let me just tell you. I took nature's session that I'm leaving. I owe nature to have that best. Not the best verse. He didn't have the best.

I still feel like I had the best verse. But I let him lead it all. First of all. You got a hard for. I'll let him. Do not, you're the best verse on Bant for TV. I had the best verse. In my opinion, this is what I did.

No, I know. Opinions is always Yeah, fucking opinions, right? You're gonna have it. So you think nature had that best verse? I'm welcome to that. You're saying you body, pun?

No, I ain't saying I'm body, no body. I don't look at records like body. Do you know a good versus on that record. I look at it as a great record. I look at it as a great record. But 20 years later, I'm probably the only artist that's on that record that's still performing that record

besides Jada and styles. That's it. I think I think Cam moved on. Pun is not a lot. I think nature is not active And I think I'm the I mean, that's my brother But listen to how I broke that down

I'm the only artist that's on that record That's still probably performing it Besides the lots Okay I think Cam moved on Because Cam is on that record Big pun is passed away Right

Nate is not as active as all the other people That's on that record And then so who you have the best verse Well that's great that you did it Like, when you look back on things. In retrospect. In retrospect, I was the only guy that said. Who's here?

You know what? You're right. In retrospect, who is here? Who is here? No. Sometimes, listen, listen. See, I learned from CNN. See, I had an album prior to N-R-E, and that album was the super lyrical, most lyrical, blah-blib-blib-blib-blib-a-bblib-all.

All that, that shit that niggas wanted. But then I realized when I got with a guy, he had a little chain on, like this. hit a choker and I looked at him he said to me nobody listens to me who said that his name

Farrell Williams and he said to me nobody listens to me Norrie and his shit was like this it was very it was very it was uncomfortable

you know we was in the baggie suit era cross-color and shit like that nah yeah this is a little after question but you know it was like it was cross-color

After effect. Yeah, Fubu. And all that. And he was the only producer that he said to me, he said, nobody listens to me. And for some reason, I had the number one record. N-R-E was the number one record in New York at that time. I didn't have to listen to this guy.

He said, I'm going to bring it to a world. I did that, and this guy comes out to be Feral Williams. A lot of people, a lot of people, you can, whatever you want, A lot of people say the reason why the world knows Farrell is because of that Super Thug record. Can you say that as a producer? I love Super Thug.

Does that a good answer? But was that like the first record that people recognized Farrell? Was that? I don't mind. I think that that was one of the best records. The production style on Super Therapeutic is they put the Cali's the Kalee singing?

No way. We all thought that. No way. The hook. Police wasn't even around him. Him on top of the singing up. That was a new thing. No one's seen that.

The sound was definitely different. Now, the sound, no, the, this is, I'm going to tell you, coming from Miami, a DJ from Miami, the sound, the difference was, is it had the beat that the South could relate to. How long were you DJing in Miami? I mean, I started my company in 93, and I was DJing ever since. Man, I used to come down here, man. I wasn't how can I go down conventions. That's the only way I can meet me. I used to come down.

I used to go to the club on fifth. What, liquid? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I did his first show on, solo show in Miami. He's going before that. No, Club, you open me up. I mean, that might be before my time. I'm 42 years old, just that's why.

I used to come down here, man. What years, though, tell him, what years, though? It was me, DJ Epps and DJ Khalid. That's the three, the trifect. I used to come to Miami in 91. 92 93 Collins Avenue

was a ghost town Yeah you couldn't Yeah Yeah Hip hop was irrelevant In the beach Forget that part I'm talking about

It was a ghost town For human beings Yeah Yeah Go and stuff This was hood The beach was hood But pirate radio

That's what I did Would break Records down here I did pirate I did the mix tapes I If you'd love The big tape

You're going to I don't even I read it Ari is younger than me, but that's my homie. They used to break records down here, man. Yeah, this was the guy. Like, what, what the- That's what I did.

That's what he did. Yeah, of course I know that man. That's my cousin, man. Of course. And then fact man, and then fat man, you had to him now. That is, he, just in case you all know,

he likes to still, He likes to still, like, I used to go forward. I used to love it down here. Like, he's vinyl guy. I mean, he's vinyl guy. I got no problem for you to say, ask anybody. They're going to tell you that that's what I was doing.

I like to ask anybody. Like, I know my man tone is like... One more shot. I feel the energy is so great right now. I know my man tone is like, ask anybody about me in that studio. I lays it down. Ask anybody. Ask the best of the best.

That is the best. That's how he feels. He don't talk like that, but I'm talking for him. Yo, yo. You just said, ask anybody. I know how you feel. Why? But when they, let me ask you something.

I'm sorry, Stey. When they talk about that top five producer all the time. And when sometimes they leave you off that list. They just asked you, Tone. Jay just asked you last week, were you better than a hitman? Absolutely. Say it. Oh, the bad boy?

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That's great. I call him Terro Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. Oh, gotcha. I call, I don't, I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachy. Obieski.

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I get it. I'm trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, that shit. I mean, that's a lot of me. Will you by name Nassie? Yeah, of course. DDoz.

D, that's my man, buddy. A.k.a. the math rapper as well. Just answer the fucking question. Yes. Yeah. We need you to guess on this at some point. At some way, we just have to.

No, you know what it? Whenever you need to promote anything. You and don't know. I think, I think, y'all, and I want to have you interview another artist. That would be great. I want to hear him. I'm sorry. I got relaxed.

I got a lot. This is what I think about track mass. Personally, I think that before, I feel like the Neptunes is, is like everybody knows all the nab. I feel like track masses was the first like famous producer duo in hip hop. Like Terry, Terry and Jammy J. Louis.

What was the only thing? Jimmy Jamming, Terry Lewis. I feel like you guys are that for hip hop. That's all Steve's marketing. Steve took out ads in Billboard for producers. I was buying full pages, bro. Full page ads in Billboard.

You guys don't even know the type of psycho I am. I just say it being calm and shit. No, no, no, no, no, you could be as calm as you want. You don't see what we do? We put our faces on things, our canvases right there in the wall. To be calm? No, just to promote ourselves. Because of you.

To be calm. Where we go, look at ourselves and we come. Now, what was that... Who was that first meeting like with Reebok? like Will Reebok when you said I want Jay. Listen, you know what it is? I ain't going to lie to you. Yeah. I don't

I can talk for so long about so much things that it can't even, it won't even make any sense it would be out of contact. You can't. Nothing about Jing Chan's present. Nothing about it. Nothing about it. I can have Kobe Bryant and LeBron James to do a

separate sports version of this. And you know, Terry, the same thing Jay Z and Nass would say about me. I do my thing. to the maximum on all levels that's my problem when I get involved I go all out

whether it be producers whether it be artists whether it be athletes I only know one thing all the fuck out that's my problem that's Queens that first

that's that's Queens that's stay there whatever it is stay there stay there still it's all the fuck out tell them tell me the first person really like

The nigga who taught me to business was a guy named No Face. Mark Skee. Yeah, he had a group called BWP. Business with problems. Billske's with problems, yeah. Markske took me to...

Is after NWA? No, he took me to... It's after NWA? Before N. After? After. He caught. Okay.

Bitches flipping on, like... And he took me down to the shit in Atlanta. Mark Skeet, he was so talented. So, so smart. He used to tell me how talented Shock G was. Flavor could play the piano. It was like, he would just like get me there. And I was still living at home.

My parents. And I just was, I was just ready. And the one thing he always made me realize I had to know was, if you knew an artist, what label were they on? If I ever ask you an artist and you don't know a label they on, I'll never return your phone call. So you as an artist, I have to know a label that were on. Who produced the song?

That's why I'm so fucking hip hop Fluent Because I just know everything I just I spent the time If I didn't know it It feels like if I don't know the facts around something You don't think that's an error thing though Maybe

I think the error of the tape and CD We all read the credits We don't get shots to know We don't got credits no more Salo Yeah we still need to know Salo It's true

No Jesus You got a love I'm working this fucking tired I don't know why we didn't She left, she was tired I knew she was tired Is she a man?

He voted him up Okay, listen Um Well we're here Yes There's a lot of things we can talk about Yes Why didn't shine naked

In the business? I mean I mean, yeah Never mind that he got Went in Not deported. But he I thought he

Everybody loved him But no one Everybody liked him But nobody loved him Is this a trick question? No I swear The fact that Shine sounded like big

But as a DJ Even though I thought he was dope I thought that was One of people played a Buzhou The Barretin Levy record Then he had the other record Right

But I think that it was always Like his Achilles heel That he's that they introduced him as sounding like big and he's on bad boy had he not come out on bad boy people still liked it you know how hard

that's a deal it was dope it was dope but if people say he goes the next big and the first record you put out niggas are like

I love this shit dope but no what I think let me let me just interject for one second I think that Sean would have actually been like

like you're off damn he was the next one look I think The next one, I think he came home. Is that what he's saying? When he came home, he could have been, like, super huge, but what happened was Khalid rushed that verse.

Remember when Sean came home? And Caleb put him on a record? Yeah, nobody here. Nobody knows what you're talking about. No, no, no, listen, listen. What happened was... Oh, yeah, I remember. I remember. I remember.

What happened was he came out of Aiku. He caught a case. Yeah, he caught... Listen, listen, listen. No, no, no. And it was a bad verse. It was really a bad verse. In quarter case, he went away.

His anticipation home was like filled night. It was... And his first verse was terrible? No, I did that definitely did not say that. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. That wasn't... It wasn't as good.

You said he rushed it. You said he rushed it. You said he rushed it. No, but the worst, it threw everybody all. It was. It was voice tempo wasn't as the same as... It was off. It was all.

Shine is dope, but that was like... You can tell what, I mean, no disrespect to college, we all love college. Doesn't make any sense what you're saying. No, no, no. You didn't like what he's trying to like, Bigwood then when he came back on some new voice. No, I, all, listen. And what you're saying is correct. Listen, listen, listen, I'm going to be honest with you.

If Shire would have came home with Big same voice as he had prior to that, if he would have came home with that voice, he would have been a new two-pop. No, I think you're wrong. He would have been somewhere around that range. No, no, you know, I'm correct me. I'm correct it. Okay, go ahead. What you're saying is that it's not that he sounded dope and he sounded like big and then we don't accept him.

We don't trying to get to him. No, no, no, no. What happened to him, people liked his music. He did nothing wrong. Right. He just didn't even seem to do enough. No, when he came home, he had to be deported. Well, yeah, he got locked up.

You got to, I can tell you this firsthand. And then religion came into play as well. As being a part of a legendary group called Capona and Noriega. Coppona Noriega has 500,000 every year in Europe. Every year, all we've got to do is spend 30 days in Europe. But at some point, in certain parts of Europe, it's terrible. It's freezing like shit. So, you would go there and you would get it.

How do you smoke weed and your eyes aren't right? Because I'm your friend, Steve, though. I want to be your friend for so long. I just want to keep my life together. because I just want to get more money. I just want, and I feel like I've moved that flat until now I've got to be like, you got to help me in some way, same way, same, shape, formal president, somewhere. I need to start wearing white suits at some point.

No, you don't. You know, I need to give me rap class. You got to give me somewhere somewhere I could, I got to. You know who else, you said something about Jim Jones. Jim Jones is a great producer. If Jim Jones had as artists and, different music in front of them and I have to put the artists in the music together. Look how many artists Jim Jones introduced.

Max B. Jim Jones is dumb. Jim John's real. I just don't get along with him. He, he, after you with him. It always happens like that. I don't care about that part. I go through that part.

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. First of all, for me, I know who it suits. 50's talented. Oh, God, is he talented? he's not talented rapper, writer he's talented Jim Jones is talented

like you just mean like Nas and Jay Z the problem with rap music was it made if you weren't a talented rapper then everybody else was like fake versions of them

and the truth of the matter is there's so much talent that the art form needs to move forward and like what Jay Z and Nas do specifically are words 50 is Vince McMahon.

Yeah, he is. He's Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon is the best. Vince McMahon is so good that when he actually copied and tried to make the NFL, if you look at the camera angles that they

copied, that they did, that's what the NFL uses now. Vince McMahon. The overhead cam. The overhead cam, Vincent Man invented that. But we're watching the NFL every day. When he started that bullshit football league that no one watched, it was terrible, but he produced the shit out of an idea.

That's 50 Cent. 50 Cent is ridiculously talented. A thing. Jim Jones is talented at a thing. When you put Jim Jones, Nas, 50, all these guys together, as you talk about culture, if they were to make a product, it would be Disney

these guys are great it's just that everybody's so separated that these things don't come together you don't put the writer the animator the storyteller anything together but if you ever put them together so it's like a lack of team

how do you think Batman would happen that is that's not one guy who just drew this guy that's five guys together saying this guy lives in this house Gotham City and a fucking thing up in the sky That took the five guys

But in revenue Those five guys can't talk to each other Because one guy's making money Doing this that night So they don't fuck with each other That's fucked up That's right I've lived with you

I've lived in living A bit of speech on drink chaps In my life That's Listen I'm visualizing What he's saying I'm visualizing I got to sleep that night

I got to deal with myself I got to do with myself No Listen, what about praying? How about me? Pray for me. I got to go to sleep at night, no this shit ain't happening.

You're way too smart. Like, and we, ADD. That shit you just said. Like, and you got to sleep with yourself. You're way too smart, Steve. I'm gonna keep doing it with himself? No, no, no. I get why he's rich and everything,

but that nigga figure out life before it happened. Like, damn, evolution in the whole night. That nigga knew what's up tomorrow was going to happen. Yo, I know. It's stupid that is. Like, like, you know, what's the shit? Conspiracy, the shit with Tom. Let me give you another question.

He going on like that. I'm in. Rakhine. I'm not Rikkim. Rayquan. Where does Rayquan sit? He's a great. I think he's one of the best lyricists.

He's one of the time. He goes down. He's dead. I think he's one of them. Pass Beanie. I ain't think that far, but. Okay. Jada kiss, pass that.

He's past that? Yeah. In that group. We say not. This is not disrespectful. Yeah, no, no. If you ask every rap about Nazan Jee, he'd be like, yeah, that's cool.

Right. They, who they are? But they're in the elite. Well, we start coming off on that thing. In the league. Who's the guy? Who's the one-in-air? Kanye.

This is why it's going to be very controversial right now. Lyrics is wise? Listen. That, come on. I don't stop. We're talking about lyrics. I'm not even a song. I think that's a different thing.

What did you say? Start-up. Because the thing about it... I think Kanye is more of the embodiment of everything. Start-in-in-keleton. That don't count. Okay. Okay, all right.

So now I need to understand your question. So you're saying, greatest of all times? Lyrics. Lyrics? Lyrics? Now we started this. No. No, no, no.

It's not good for none of us. It's not good for none of us. But let's go there. I've got to be careful. Yeah, he has to be careful. No, I'm going to be careful. You know what it is? It's drink champs.

You guys got to get other people on. Nobody's going to die. But then they need to come and defend the time. I know what's going on. No, the thing about it is this. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I am not political rigor at all.

Don't nobody pay me. I always said on drink champs and you could record this. I am. I said that for recording this, for young people. Here's the crazy shit. For young people. Because we are. We at first started with CBS. Big up CBS. We love them.

Shout to CBS. They have no problem with them. They are no longer CBS. We are no longer CBS, but they are. They are no longer CBS and we are no longer CBS. We mean drink traps. Yeah, we were, yeah. But let me just say something.

Well, it sounds confusing, but go ahead, go ahead. It is confused. We'll explain to you in a second, go. Yeah, yeah. They gave us, you know. We're multiple deals, but... We got our lives. No, yeah.

The cameras are, Our fans are pleased to our fans. We took his whole poor friend. We took his whole poor friend. What is Steve Stout, dude? Okay, all right, this is me did. So, look, so the thing about it here, got that Johnny Blue, though.

I've never, you know what? What kind of liquor is that? Am I supposed to take a shot of that? Because you took so many shots. I ain't all right. The Johnny Blue is so smooth. I'm in. I'm in.

I'm not in. I'm in. Sorry, not in. Probably very happy. It's a Diageo brand. He's distributed? I don't know how that goes. No, no, no, no.

So why would he be happy? It's a family brand. Guys, listen, how far you want to go to this conversation? As far as we want to take it. This is what we do at Drink Chat. And listen, let me tell you something. Is that an automobile? Is that an automobile?

I feel like you went away from what the fuck you were saying. It's an automobile. Let me tell you something. What does that mean? Listen, listen. I started in Lurton's in class. You got to give it a little bit. You got to give it to me.

No, that's okay. All of a sudden. All of a sudden you start to be in a man. Don't disrespect Spanish Don't disrespect Spanish at all here But bust out Like you've been the god To sit at

Because let me just Let me just big you up for one second Okay, sir Please, please can I be your Let me get this for a minute Like the thing is I'm not gonna Damn this dude's just taking the one bottle

I'll take a shot of that with you Should I take a shot with that with you? I'll drink my turn around I think you should drink Johnny Blue. I think it's time. I think it's time. I'll take a shot with you. Okay.

I mean, I'm doing what you. How about that? I'll do it too. You have to. You're going to. You're going to. You was the guy. Listen, I have to, please, I need everybody to sit back and relax.

I don't see that. And the thing about Stout is, no, stout, I gotta big you up. Fuck, my man. Is you recognize hip-hop was, was, we were the new rock and roll. I didn't. Yeah, okay, go ahead. In my opinion. Can you let me big you up, please?

I'm sorry, sir. I felt like you knew hip-hop was the new rock and roll, and you got behind the two biggest, you got behind Guns and Roses. What? Let him talk, man. He wasn't involved with Guns and Roses. No, he's kind of relaxing.

I'm giving an analogy. Are you talking? It's an analogy. That's what people think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't get that much in the straws. No, no, no, I stayed. You can.

Yeah. You got behind the two biggest people that we had. You had access to Jay-Z. You had access to Naz. And you got behind them, and you pushed them in every, ever, ever new, what is it called? What shot of my ticket?

I forgot. It's a Johnny Blue. We just said it five times. All right, all right, cool. It's, baby, style. Stahler chatting me down. You can tell I was still I was making, right? You can tell I was speck him, right?

You can tell. I was spec this shit out. I just wanted to get money with you. years ago. That is not working out for me. That's not working out for me. That's right. You got it? That's right. Yeah, guys.

I'm drinking bars. You guys want Johnny Blue? You want to take it to everybody. You seriously take this around. Guys, have a great time. I think I'll be honest. It's a great Johnny Blue. We love you guys.

It's very struggling than I thought it was. It's very smooth. I think Johnny Blue should be part of this. It should be. It should be. Just help off, just have it here. It's no big deal. No, no, no, we don't want to do that. We want to tell us to pay the bill.

Let's do it. You got what he got. They got us with Surrach. Holy shit. You got it, man. We got it. We got it. But we do have Grace's Killer.

What is it called? To kill ya? I don't know. You should have tacos. Yeah, we should have a mariachi band. It's coming soon. We can tell you've been in rap games since kidding. play because you are drinking everything

I think that's incredible man I didn't know about you I think that's incredible what did I did my job when I knew that? You know the thing that's amazing is that I look young How old are you by the way? 47. God damn I've been doing it all than you that's all my life well no it's not I've been doing

it since I was 21 years old God damn it's now all I've done is watch shit all I do is watch artists go up and watch them fall off and watch them go up so that's 21 years old that's how I feed my family. I don't have no. Like, that's what I do. I'm like, talk

to me. I'm not lying. I'm not making anything up. You lived and breathed it. Every ounce of it. And I won't stop. And as soon as it starts to feel like I'm like, I don't understand what's going on or some bullshit, I won't do it no more.

I don't want, I'm not corny. I'm not doing anything corny. I'm not going to be last thing in the club doing dumb shit. Look at you. I'm playing myself. That's what I believe. No, that's actually, we could make that.

Have you ever gave an artist like, like, like, like information? You know, I'm great. Have you ever gave artists like this information and you told them? Pshh. Hey, you ever gave artists? No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm fantastic.

You want to say my album bitch backwards? Say, I do. I actually do. It's not going to have. No, what you ever, ever gave some artists? I never gave some artists information and then it wasn't the thing. Like, and you're wrong. You were wrong?

I'm going to take 50 says this all the time. 50 says it? 50 says it. And then. I said to him he shouldn't sign to Eminem's label. You said he shouldn't sign to Eminem's label? When he was signing there, what I was saying was if he was signing the death row, because his

did that throw one to sign him? Oh yeah yeah what he was saying was so fucking crazy and truthful

and honest and hard I didn't want him to get confused as this like guy who could have been slightly comical

because Eminem at D12 what you felt shady was like a comical label yeah like no not a comical label

but just like a label that was great music but Because for some reason I mean I don't think I can articulate it But I get what you're saying

They may be a part of what they were doing That was like Like shock lab Is this honest or not? Is this honest or is this shock value? Right And like if Drey did it It would be EZE

Right And I was telling 50 Be EZE You're EZE But it couldn't be that for shame By the way 50 cent is 100% he did everything

he's a hard working but where do y'all go on the madison's great garden we see the pictures yeah we were you know we went wrong we went wrong because I said that he didn't make a record a long time that was there and I sat on a radio station

and something and he's seen it and he like that right so he's talking to you at the nick game yeah yeah that's right I walk in God's footsteps I'm not afraid of nothing

No, no, but the thing about it I'm not afraid. I'm not, the truth in the matter is It's not like I was surprised The Cuffy showed up at my office Right After he'd me now But he didn't show up

No, four guys showed up including him I wasn't surprised I'm not surprised when I was with me When I seen, he was with me, when I see I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of things. No, but this is actually a guy, you know. But this is actually a guy.

This is different. This is different. It doesn't make a difference. But when guys start talking that, we're going to kill you this, that bullshit. Okay. Okay. Come on.

Come on, stop. I mean, I'm just saying that's how the business turns a problem into, like, the problem goes from this. The real problem is we're going to kill you. Well, we're going to do this. Like, okay. Great. Stop the movie

Wait, we're telling you to go to give you Sounds like a lot of people I don't know No, it sounds like What it sounds like How many people don't think of it This is all Nobody says that

I'm just saying The underlying theme about Beef is What it happens if you lose? That's very true Are you going to die? Is your record? Especially after

Tupac and Biggie All of a sudden you guys understand it When I say one word What the fuck Did you think I was saying? That was a lot of words. Yeah, what the fuck you did that was saying?

Right, right. It got an awfully weird. Yeah, it's like, I was waiting for the one word. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay, it's okay. No, stop, stop, stop. I'm in business, man. I'm doing this shit in the high level, bro. I'm not fucking around doing this shit for rent.

Right. I'm doing this shit at a high level. I'm making millions. Right. He has to make a lot of money. I'm changing the way things happen. When you're on the front line, you got to deal with front line things. Right.

You're a CEO, wartime, peace time CEO. Right. I'm a CEO in wartime and peacetime. It's peace time, it's cool. I mean, it's wartime, you've got to deal with those type of things. You've got to be able to deal with that. And I love those guys. I respect those guys.

I respect those guys. I respect those guys. If it was some bullshit, I didn't respect. care. I respect guys who I love what top dogs doing. Love it. On his own rules, this is how we're doing this. Win or lose, this is how he's killing it.

And you were, how was it being the president of endoscope? Because, can you want to describe how we look at anoscope? Agenrella was the first rap of signing airstrip. From a left for. Akenella was the first artist on it. You know Akenella got a mercantile

before Nottes? I definitely did not know that. He's schooling me right now. Oh, no. Ake Nellie got the deal of Al-a-a-a-a-law at the barbecues from a lot. He's not a timetable. Because everybody got hooked on the re-ready. Ready?

Yeah. That was the shit. Nobody even heard of his shit. I'm learning. I'm learning, man. You took the police stuff. I'm sorry. Everybody bought that. No.

times. All hooky things. So I can really have a classic? I can know it's a great. Your mouth is a classic. That's really digging deep. No, I don't think it is. I don't think it is. I mean, this is only hit with the jail. But I think it's a classic. He was pulling bitches over and he's playing put it in my... I don't know. Okay. I think The Krasig was sucking a thing. Like, Nass. How about this?

Akenali had Naz in the No way. One B position. Noss couldn't get a deal. Akenelli got out of deals. It was like, you know what? Put my nigga Nause on.

Big of Akanelli. That's how fucked up things are. When our phone gets so big and money gets involved, it fucks everything up. I tell. Tone is my best friend. You go to talk.

Bigger of your relationship. It's my best friend. You know why he's my best friend? Because until money starts fucking with girls or religion, you even know who your best friends are. Absolutely. And we've survived those topics, the things. That's why we're best friends.

Best friends have to go through that thing. And Akenelli and Aiz, when Akeenali got the fame, He didn't say Nas was better than me He was like a Nali He knew that he couldn't fuck with this man Under 16 He couldn't be crazy This nigger is

All the words past the margin Guy I'm the fucking bullshit Put it in your mouth guy Shout out to Agenel That's my guy That's my guy Yeah, man.

Yeah, there you go. We go. That's how it goes, man. It works like that in the streets. It works like that music in business, man. Are you great or not? How do you feel about... Do you think the industry

corrupted hip-hop culture? I think that money comes in. and when money comes in what's going to happen is obvious like money comes in and changes all of the outcomes that's what money does

it's like it happened in rock music you know MTV goes on as guys you feel it's equivalent to rock as well yeah hip-hop yeah I mean but I felt like we needed that all of a sudden if you if you're gonna grow

the consequences of growth of growth is mass adoption. And corruption and justification. Mass adoption is corruption. Right. That's all. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just the way it is.

Rock and roll got big and all of a sudden there was guys, look at White Snake. They were compared to Bruce Springsteen. White Snake's a rock act. There's like Rock ads. They were doing, I always use White Snake as an example because White Snake, Nelly, Charul,

Ludacris, they're all really talented people. Not all that was, LL's literal homeless. They were all talented people, but they all have something in common. They had to follow the core truth of something.

And they were all um... They all were... I don't know. incentivize to do something that wasn't really at the core of the truth of the hip-hop thing, man. That hell I'll lay down. Keep it real.

All of them, everything, every heart. You know, you got to do hip-hop, man. Like, for me, I may not ever make a billion dollars. But if I... I'm saying this on your show, just relax. I got to relax. You got to relax. Please don't relax me. Please can somebody film that again?

But if I tell the truth and it takes me as far as I can go, that's a billion dollars, man. The truth will set you free. I said, I'm madden. Fuck with my man. I'm good. I'm gonna keep pushing shit forward. I know nobody could fuck with me. Totally.

I started to talk to me. They can't fuck with me. That's right. It's close. Let's make some notice you stout by then. So that's his style. I gotta do now. Look, I tried to be a member of a son of a house.

And you lost. You lost? Good. Is that my wilding out? This is my first time being the member of the soul off. It doesn't matter. You know, you... My first time...

You're not. You're not. It's relaxed. I don't like the good mustache and bad look. Oh, God. Tell them, stop. Turn up. I know what I'm doing, but I'm saying, tell him, stop. I don't know what I'm doing.

Stop can say anything about me. But why do you think that's the right look? Stop coming up, me, you go. I think he is. Oh, you understand that. I think about me, yeah. I'm good. Cheeji, good thing at you, man.

I got it. You got anything in you. You got a... And your guy got the same beard? Imagine that's your beer. You never talked to him about this on what? I did. I thought about your beer.

What do you say? You know, like, for example, I'm going to relax. I don't understand. No, no, no, definitely it's a friend cent. Why is the thin look a thing? Because I got to relax. But why do you want to thin? You want it thin.

Just cut it off. You like the black chung-lee. Style, I got your back. Ride with me. Ride with me. Trust me, I got the crowd already. Don't go with me. I'm just.

I got it goes. It's going to... Let's see how it goes. You don't have a little people trying to figure out. I love you, style. That's mustache. His bed is thick, but it's all brous and thick. Listen, stuff.

I'm not, I spoke Puerto Rican. You're going to be a major. And look, you've got to call Irving D. He was so scared. Because, you know, he went at the LGBT. You got to relax. You are safe. What did I say?

You've never said nothing. You are fantastic. Look, everybody got scared because I said LGBT. You know, listen, they got all of us, niggas, shuck. Not me. Why? You go with the LGBT.

I'm rich. Am I obligated to I took a shot of that? I think I did. Yeah, right? No, not that one. You didn't take that. You avoided everything about that one.

Style is like a Norrie on the law. On the law! That's why we didn't connect back then. Because he's actually like me. Yo, look, Tone is ready to leave. Yeah, I ain't a lot of them. This is important to me. I want my man Tone again.

everything, you got something to say, he don't do this much. No, no. He's doing this because of me because I'm here. You want to say anything, you are the best at what you do. And you don't talk about. And still the best at what you do.

So you guys, don't do this. This is my job. So, son. Track masses, top five. Dead or alive. Is there? Nah, I gotta stop you for one second. Track Masters is top three.

if a person ever bring up nah do you want me to take this from here go for it go for it you a person ever bring up the top and it's producers when you look at a person like nines and you look at elmatic and when you look at elmatic and illmatic to me

this is just me anybody can debate me or anybody can say fuck you norrie or anybody But a lot of times when I want a person to study hip hop I want them to start from Elmatic and then I want you to go back. And when you go back and you study Elmatic

and then you go back it was written, was that first album, is that it? And it was written it. It was so needed for hip-hop. Tone fucking took that sample, that sting sample from the professional. Talked about that.

The Nas passed the shit too. He said no. I'm like, the last, ding, ding, ding, the message. I'm like, Tom. Tom played that shit for me first.

I'm like, I couldn't believe that I had. It was the first in my life I knew. I had a person that understood it like me. When he played that table, he played for me, he didn't play for me like,

awesome like he plays to me like, yo, this shit is right. I said, I took it to Niz. Nass heard it and said, nah, I don't want to do it. Facts.

I said, tell him, he's going to make this record. I trust this guy's he's special. Yes, he is. He is special. Super.

Special. He sees things, but you got to let him do his thing. You got to let him play his game. He's an awesome spades player, too. You gotta let him do a steak. Top five dead up a lot.

By the way, Jay-Z, stop ducking me on the Spades game. You've been done with me. Dan, you know, I think it's about to stop some shit. You gotta relax. You got to do a Spades game. I feel like I'm about to bring the call. You got to relax. I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. So he's doing this shit. He plays this shit for me. I'm like, I go back then, I was like, guys, you got to do this shit. and I'm like

if I could rap it'd be terrible if I could rap but I can't rap so I'm like and Naz how you're not going to rap over this shit

and you heard that shit you heard the message the message is ridiculous the way to start off an album but it took time to get there and tone tone and Nas I get a lot of credit

for Nas's career but my insight a lot of what I've done was really built off of my partners understanding what's going on. That's such a good thing, man. Yeah, yo, you're going to like that, I'm right there.

We're going to end this? You're going to forget about it? It's the never right thing story. I wanted to get my fucking membership that's so awes. Look, listen, I'm from the left right. I just shoot people with Steve down. I don't know if you know that.

I don't believe that. No, he did. I think he did. Why you want me shoot you right now? No, just plain. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You got to relax. You got to relax.

No, I play. That was a joke. You were a shooter? He was a shooter. He was a shooter. He was a shooter. This guy, too. My shit is a legend.

My shit has never been verified. Fifty was a shit. You know. All right. Let's stop shooting, guys. I've never shot over it. Were you a shooter? Hey.

You know the shooters. It was like, the guys was like, it wasn't even like a thing. Like, he's a shooter. Tony, you're a shooter? Tony, you know of this. Tony, you're shot niggas too? No, Tony was her a shooter.

No, look, see him out and just threw you under there. Come on, come on, come on, come on, Tom, tell us about your shooting. If you were a shooter, you got a shooter beats. I'm not a joke. But if you were sure, you weren't necessarily

the boss nigga. You were part of the team. Exactly. The facts. That's a fact. That's the fact. Let them talk. No, no.

The shooting decided life. Real talk. For that person that was on the end of the shop, that life was decided. There were shooters. Niggas are the shooters. Like, that's the shooter this thing. But if you were the boss, nigger,

and you had a team together, you had a shooter on the team. Right. Absolutely. No, no, I ain't saying. I didn't say that. But listen. That's what it.

How awkward was it, right? was it, right? Like, now, now, you're probably the only person in the world that has access to Jay-Z and Nas at the same time. Still.

Still. And listen, I'm going to just throw this out there. I look at them, like the two tycoons. I look at them like the fucking best. This is, this is it. This is hip-hop to me. These two guys.

And you're the only person in the fucking... That's facts. Wow. This is a fax. That has access to the tourist tycoons in the world. I'm not going to lie to you. Stop. If I was you, I would have did so crazy.

Like, I just pissed on people for no one. You know, the reason why they... Let me pick you up. Let me pick you up. This is what I would have did if I added in your power. I just pissed on people. You know what? You're not pissing at me, bro.

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The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anywhere too, right? What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves Hoba. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own. That's great.

I call him Terro Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. I call, I don't, I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobiesky. Yeah. I don't think she was an American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up.

She was prominent around the same time. Yeah. Then Mary Steenbergin. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried. I'm worried. Why are you talking so down? to me that you think I don't

understand your little play game. I just really I get it. I'm trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm just saying, stop. How the fuck is you that humble

and you're the only person in the world, in my opinion, that had access to the book. They guys, they went through it. How the fuck do you And then, and then, listen, you have to maintain your relationships or both. Both of them.

This is tycoons. This is not for rhinosaurus. I don't even know what that were. Veronica is? Just robbing me. You made up dinosaurs? Stop robin me. This is why we, that's why we get it.

We make up dinosaurs. We make up dinosaurs. And you're the only guy in the world. Is it awkward? No. No. Okay. No, it's not open. Okay. Tell me.

It's awkward because I mean, I deserve to be in the room. Mm-hmm. You deserve what? I deserve to be in the room. Okay. Take it from there. You know, artist's land of that level. My job is always to just make sure.

What do you need? And CJ, what do you need? Nass, what do you need? I love these guys. I don't care about the money, man. If I made it about money, it would be different. But it's not about money. I love those guys.

I can't even believe I know both of those guys. I speak to them. There's not a week that goes by. I don't speak to Nause and J.J. I speak to Nause and J. He's not a nice man. He just flows for everybody here. It's not a thing in any that speak to them over.

You know how crazy it is to me that that's a crazy idea? I speak to Nas and Jay Z every week or every day. All the time. It has nothing to do with anything. It's real. It's a real relationship. You have people you speak to every other day. Yeah, but any of Naz and Jay Z, I knew they meet.

You can speak to the Naz and Jay Z of something. Don't try to make it. normal thing. But let's make it normal. You know, Jay Z and Knoss. He's not. Yeah.

You even know that's not a normal thing. That's not normal, though. That's not normal. Thank you. It's not normal. It's special. Yeah, listen, stop. And this comes a part of me

bigging you up is because you were the only person in hip-hop who could have fixed that situation. And I take credit for it. You don't take credit for it? No. No.

You don't understand how great they are. They don't... These guys... It's fucking Shakespeare and Picasso. It's not really a thing. If you're making Shakespeare and Picasso, it's no problem. They don't argue with each other or fight with each other. They're like...

Like, bitch be great But no, they're unbelievable Yeah They're unbelievable The thing's the way they've seen the world I can't believe I'm around it But But stop

Let's listen But stop Let me just big you up Once again You're probably the only person That had access to the most Too Puff

Nah But see Puff had bad boy I had no ulterior motive So I got everything This nigga finished my sentence That was the exact sentence I was saying was A lot of people who had ulterior is more bizarre I don't want you to drop it

I'm sorry I was trying to help you to hug you got to relax So now the other people Had an arterial motive You gotta relax buddy But you was the only guy That in the middle Prior to the beef

In between the beef And after the beef, that had access to the two most... Yeah, I do, man. Piss? You need flomax? Yeah. No, pissing is a part of the show. No, but you had access to the most biggest two icons in hip-hop.

I didn't piss. Oh, go piss. No, I'm not doing it. You need flomax. I definitely need flomax. No, but how does that feel to be in the two biggest icons ever in hip-hop? And I'm going to be honest with you. As a person that know you, like halfway know you,

I know you was uncomfortable during that situation. I was not uncomfortable. You wasn't? I didn't comfortable with more shit than that. No. Niles and Javis beefing, you wasn't at all. Because when beef is clear. No, we know we wasn't as more of that.

I don't have to talk. Oh, no, I apologize. I apologize. I continue. I'm like, he's a queen's nigga. You can one percent, no, he's fine. from Queens. He knows her to check another Queens nigger. I apologize. Continue.

Queens are the best robbers of all time? Yes. But you want to go there now? I was going to say that for later. What the fuck? He's got the best robbers of all time? Has, yo. Oh, why? He was very fine. Why? He thought it is

well, he's from Queens. No, no, I don't represent that. Or engineers were queens. You from Queens? Who are you going? Exactly. Relax. Anybody else from Queens? No, you got a relax. No, you got to relax. Yeah, I'm ready to do. I'm ready to be here.

Anybody from Queens? You from Queens? I'm just saying. We get to bet the best rappers of all time from wherever that you're from. You know what? You know what? Nobody ever says, oh. I'm not going to tell you Miami. A Tribe Quote.

But I don't go with. A. Nas. And J. And L. And fucking Tribe Quartz Quest. Uh-huh. You know, Rakim's Long Island.

And MobDee. Okay. Are you deleting all the West Coast? Ice Cube is one of the best to do it, too. It's in Queens. It's in Queens. You're not accepted that? No.

Queens. Oh, okay. I thought we was battle anyway. Oh, yeah. You got it relaxed. The battle is always Queens versus Brooklyn. It's not even close. Okay.

All right. Brooklyn wins every time. No. Queens has better rappers than Brooklyn. Tone, tone. You're my friend, too. You got a relax. I got Biggie and Jay-Z.

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I got Naz. I got G-Rot. I got fucking Tribe Coquist. I got Big Daddy King. I ever got lots for. I got Big Daddy Kane. You know, Big Daddy...

L, LRiss is Big L. Big L. Oh shit. You know Big Daddy, too? Come on, guys. You know Big Daddy Kane really literally... Literally just shake his head? ...on cliff out this first album. Wow.

I wasn't ready. What was the second album? What was the second album? No one that you don't know. He wasn't all right. That's Google that. Come on, man. You know what?

No, it was a third out. The third album. Yo, I love Vic Daddy King. Prince was the second hour. Now, Big Daddy King. I got to disagree with you. Big Daddy King come off until he fucked Madonna. Yeah, that was.

He fucked Madonna. Which was so big. And they were just fantastic for me too, all right? Okay. Everybody's saying everything. We're saying a lot of things. It's a big daddy thing. I think Big Daddy Kane didn't fall off, too.

He fought my dog. Big Daddy Kane is a dope, fucking ridiculous rapping. Yes. Change the rap. Big Daddy Kane did not have the fucking... Jay-Z. No, no, no, you need motherfucking...

It's not even experience. You need... When a nigga got like the the ability to run the long race the the long run He can't fuck Madonna come on fucking Madonna man like that was like a career stop this is a good are you saying the four to stop please please no it's not good listen stop listen let me big you up right now because if you listen right here and no no I'm just telling you if he's Do you say Big Daddy Kane had a better career in Rock Kim?

Nobody said that. He did. He didn't. No, no, no. I mean, you can't. How? Rock, yeah, Rakim. What are you talking about?

At the worst and best, they had the equal career. What was Rock Kim? Rock Kim had, that first album was classic. Second album was dope. Then, I mean, I mean, Rakim, the lyric is, Rakim is. Come on, they're still here. But I think Big Daddy King's career was a better career. You think Big Daddy Kim is a better rap?

Oh, better than Rakken? Is that what you're saying? He needs to say career. Better than Rakken? Better career. So Al-L-Ku-J had a better rap than both of them. L-L-Kul-J has a better rap career than most people. I don't even want to be in this conversation.

What are you talking about? L-L-KUJ. How about, who do you think had a better career? Ice Cube or Rock Kim. Career is Ice Cube. As a rapper. Oh, as a rapper. These are the problems, you're tough.

That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. They're saying career overall as IQ. Was Kiddham play the guy who had just, did the Cala Kappa Neck? The Kappa Napkinner. You see? And Bill Moore.

Bill Moore. Bill Moore. What are you doing? Chichick, get there, you. Yeah, you know, Keechee, you know, hey. They, you know, listen, the black community fried kid and play. Hey, line. You understand what I'm saying?

They fried kid and play, because kid in play was the, he posed as the white guy. To be him. You're being here. Yeah. Was that crazy? As the person. I can't even do what you're doing right now. I love the show.

Why you turn the mic like that? No, wasn't that crazy? That's very disrespectful. No, I'm asking. Because, because. Sometimes we don't know. I'm just asking, I'm asking, because, you know, I'm just a journalist. This is journalist.

You make your question. At this point, is this when the show starts? Yes, absolutely. Listen, we respect you, Steve Stout. I just want you to know that. In case you didn't know that, I respect you. That shit is clean. No, your shit is clean.

It is clean. Yes. And you dated Lisa, Leffey, too, right? Let's talk about that. He had left while first. Early. She passed away. Yes.

You can't remember it. You can't remember it. No, you know, I'm not. I didn't mean in this special. I want to be in a more respectful way. Okay, I apologize. Is she said you had to be... Was my girlfriend very early in my career?

Really? Oh, that's beautiful. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. No, no, no. Let's talk about sex. No, no, that's sex. I didn't say that.

I said, you had... You was with Lisa. That's like one of the biggest, what did they sell, 13 million? But not even that, condolences actually. No, I'm saying. Like, that must have been hurtful, man. She ain't trying to burn your house down, right? I don't know.

He took it there. No. We all heard. We all heard it. You were wrong when I was, you know what I was. I don't know if I'm wrong. We all hurt. We all hurt for that.

And I would imagine you hurt more. It was tough. She was talented, man. She's super talented. Yeah. And down the earth. Yo. Guys, guys.

Like his face is there. I've done everything. By the way, that's how, that's what baby born in the Iron Manor as my manager. I went to his crib. He pulled out pictures of him and left eye just chilling, like, on vacation. I'm like, you know her? Like, I'm looking at him, like, why do you know this girl? You're swimming in the water.

Swimming underwater. Snorkeling. Yeah, pictures on the water. I'm just scurglary. It's a dare this thing. Stop. Been rich forever. Hold on.

Come on. You know you drink down. You're under water? You know you drink all a good wine by yourself? Nah, I love it. Come on. I'm hanging out with this thing. I'm going to hang me every 20 years.

This is the deal. I'm glad you got my phone number now. We're going to make it right. I've been hitting it's right. We're going to make it right. We've been coordinating. Yes, we've been coordinating. You didn't get your mustache and bad is right?

I'm so confident. I don't even take it as the best, so good. But this shit ain't right neither, I ain't gonna lie. What's the wrong with you? You know what's wrong with you? I'm gonna be honest. You know what the Game of Thrones? I don't know that.

You know what I did. Because I don't want to be with you style. You want to hear you. Do you think there's a thing called too thin? I have no, I didn't you told my buddy. You're bare your bed right up. Coming off your goatee is too thin. Every other CEO took one hit.

Can you take one hit? No, we're not doing, man. You're going to take another shot, take a moment? Yes. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Come on. Chee-G-G-G-G-Gar-old.

But I'm a trooper. I'm hitting it. I'm doing it. I'm right here. Let's go. Let's give him another shot of a moment. And listen, Steve Stout, Trackmaster's tone. We want you all to know that we love y'all.

We appreciate y'all. What y'all do? Come on my... Your crew's like group supporting me. We finished the tagging. We finished that tagaball? We finished it? You asked to have a light crew.

You made so many queens' niggers rich. I made it known to all my crew and I told them this is a guy we got to make sure his red carpet is laid out. Thank you. We got to make sure. Thank you. We got to make sure of that.

We got to make sure that's why we had whiskey. I hate you. By the way, listen, all the bullshit aside. Yeah. I'm grateful to be here. Thank you, sir. What you did, what you're doing, what you guys are doing is important. It's not, it's not important.

Whether you make a lot of money or a little bit of money is important. Yeah, okay. I came here. Impact is important for us. I came here because if he didn't, we didn't have a one-on-one, I wouldn't do it. I love him I love him too and I just want to

keep pushing culture forward I don't care about the other city I just don't care and I've been in a lot of rooms with a lot of people and a lot of places but it hasn't changed my love for the art form for the music

for what we all while we all here when I pulled up and I see the graffiti I felt comfortable. I love graffiti. Graffiti means your home. Graffiti is like signs that equal,

oh, you're on your way home. And I love that shit. So, drink champs and puff and involved and I know you're tired and shit. No, no, no, listen, let me tell you something,

I want you to understand this. This is one thing that I would like the hip-hop culture to understand. We finally have a platform. We probably have a thing where you can come here and you can promote your shit here. And I'm a person.

Look, I have a platinum plaque. I have four gold plaques. Yeah. I've got that. So when there's come time to promote something or talk to something, we want our people to come to us first. And I felt like I... I own that. You live in?

I live everywhere. You know, you live in Miami. No, he lives here right now. Yeah, I live in Miami. You got a place in Atlanta. Then we got a place in New York, too. You want to be some noise with me? Tell me.

You know, make some noise to me. Tell me. Tell me. What I'm saying is, though. This is what I was trying to say to you. It's like, why not we just all support us? No matter where it is or where it at, you could come up with a one-fuck.

I don't know what this is. This is fly. I don't know. Can you tell me what this call? This is a bag that holds wine. A bag that holds wine. That's all that is. And the way it's set up is right.

And these are the theaters that they made with the bathing egg guys. This is different colors, you know. I mean... This thing is a queen's bigger, for real. Let's make some noise. Let's make some noise. But, no, this is real shit. The thing about hip-hop, I just want to continue to support hip-hop.

What I mean by that style is, hear me out, is, of course, we can go to the... traditional radio system, right? We could go to the additional, you know, sitting down with. Who, we sat down with before, but let me just tell you something. The people...

You mean any of you who sat down with? No, listen, listen. You used to go around all the, around the country having dumb conversations trying to explain yourself. But when I realize it's this, back in the days,

when we used to sell drugs in New York City, we used to sell drugs in New York City. but everybody used to get up or become rich if they go out of town. I bet you all your friends or Jamaica used to say, I'm going out of town

and I'm getting rich. The thing about it is now you got to travel. Getting rich is SoundCloud. Getting rich is staying right there selling your own product in the same place.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Yes. That's why Jay went to the 444 he went and he sold it to only Sprint customers Are you understand

What I'm trying to say So now We're doing a lot of things Yes Yes yes Yes and yes Yes Yes yes

I'm going to really too much No Of course man You're saying all the right things What? I'm happy to be here man What you went from me? Is hip hop?

ever get any bigger? Oh, no. We're still in the beginning. Wow. That's the part that as long as we grab that, I'm there. I'm going to work with the

guys that people don't even think it's dope. You don't like little. Little Yadis dope. Fuck it. He's dope, too. I'm fucking with Little Yaddy. I like Little Yaddy. I'm fucking with you doing.

You want the bun. I didn't know. You're going to run. I didn't want the handshade. Okay, well, I'll think you want to go. I'm fucking with everybody. If you are pushing culture forward is dope. It's rap.

It's graffiti. It's this. It's that. It's fuck you. It's the truth. We don't have to like it. Old school niggers don't have to like it. But the truth of the matter is,

old school niggers who liked the beginning of Bob Dylan, they didn't like Nirvana. It was like, like, what is that? I like Bob Dylan. What the fuck is Nirvana? If you like Bob Dylan in the 70s, why would you like Nirvana in the early 90s? It's not like how melly melanin were dressing either. Yeah.

I like how melanin were dressed either. Right. Exactly. But as time goes on, you just have to keep going with the art form. You've got to understand what the truth is. And it keeps resetting itself. Alonzo Ball.

Alonzo Ball. He looks like Mrs. Softie. Go away style. Like the whole look You like his look I don't like the way he plays Man he came out of brother How would he come at now

He's a bum Everybody's at all right He said he's a bum Does that mean His father won't speak to him You know how great that is to have one less phone call Oh I don't need phone calls

I'm not looking for phone calls So, go ahead No, dad, you got this You was the first person That I'm thinking, I don't do He got work to do And magic in Dawson, he got work to do And magic the homie, right?

Isn't magic the homie? It's magic the homie You got to see if magic's the homie No, I'm good, he's not No, magic's the homie to me It's magic the homie You can't have this nigga running around shitting on knives

You can't do that That's the terrible How you shit on nods Walking around with a stupid face? You like his face? Anybody ain't like his face?

What's doing, guys? What are you doing? Yeah, there many people We got to run out. Look at me. You know what? You know what? There's a new thing

We need to work out. Face the fro ratio. Can't tell, break that down. His frown is bigger than his face. You don't think so? No. What is it? No one?

No, is his frown? I feel like in Tom's mind, Tone is texting you right now. Like, I feel like you got it right. Tome is texting. No. He asks and reduces fro or increase his face. You're just trying?

Everybody in the world is gonna, but that is 100% of Queens. That's how Queens' niggins get down, I kid you not. What am I saying wrong? No, no, no, you're just being Queens. The thing about it, the world's gonna be like, then. You know, really, and Queens' niggins is fast. I know how you really feel. I know where your job ends.

I have no job. You know, go to face face you go. The real no, I have no idea. His face is 15 for a 12. The CEO. Listen, man. What are you? This is wrong.

No, it's a beautiful thing. Stop. Except for all. This is what we do. We love entertainment. Let's keep going style. And you are our beautiful guests. I love you.

And you, listen, stout. I will be honest. I'll be honest. We had Lear. We had Kevin Lowes. But when people told me that stuff, I wanted to do the show. I was so excited.

One, because you're from Queens, and I wanted to big up my fellow Queens partner. But two, because you're, like, one of the unreachable guys in the industry. You said what is the first thing? Unreachable.

Like, it's hard. Like, if you're a person... I don't need it. Break that down. Break that down. Like, how... I don't need it. I mean, I don't do that.

It's private. I don't need it. You know what? I don't need it. What I love is... I love... I love the space. I love...

I love being honest about shit. I love laughing. Laughing is the best. Laughing is like... It's fantastic. It's therapeutic. But... And, like, I think we've missed a lot of shit tonight.

I think... I don't know what I'm going to do this. Shit. I don't know we do this again. You're going to do this again? No. We miss a lot of shit because... Like what?

What do you think we missed? More nuances that were pushing on the edge. But we didn't... Like, when... What's his name? The white guy who made all the money. In radio. In radio.

Howard Stern. But Howard Stern did... Well, that's what we were trying to duplicate in a second stand. But you got to go further. Like, we're not really touching all the way. Right? We're not telling the truth. somebody has to hate him.

Okay. I'm not making this up. So you want to go there? Hey, Norrie? Yeah, because somebody has to say shit that's so fucked out. But it's true. Like,

Howard Stern would say things about Madonna. Like, somebody has to say something, man. Like, I'm not making anything up. There's way more shit. All the artists that we touched, all the things that we touched, we didn't tell the truth. We told most of the truth.

So why do we not tell the truth? So when we talk about Christi- Wait, wait, wait, wait, no way. Because we don't want to go that. Okay. Because we don't really want to go there. You just said if you want to go there. Oh, wow.

You just said we want to go there. Because the thing about it is, I, are you the person who, you have a book called Tannen America. That's right. Tan in America means. And a series. You was making it all one series. So the thing about it was

I wrote the book in the story. Okay, okay, okay, I'm going there now. Now, I was, I was, I was gonna relax. I wanted to do my soul house card. I'm gonna relax. I'm gonna get that next year. Oh, no, no, not me, two weeks. Right, but listen.

So, stout. Yo. The thing about the church is good. I can definitely get you the soul. Fuck the soulhouse card, man. Yeah, it's okay, it's my first time. Let me let me let me. All right, so stout, the thing about it is.

Who he's doing? And when, when, when, when, when, you do it? You know what I'm sure? Stop, man. That's good. Yeah, it's good enough to show. But when people think about it, and they think about people who's successful like you. Yeah.

People who are successful like day. Yeah. People successful like Dane. They always allude to these people who is in Illuminati. Yeah. Oh, damn. How do you answer that? Yeah, we went on in there.

I didn't even know what they're talking about. That's he. That's right. I am not, I am not successful in the Dame category. In the what category? The Dane category. When you said people like you, like Dane, I am successful in the

category of like, I can't believe this nigga did that. I am not in the success. I'm not in the category of like Illuminati, this, that, and the third. I went past all of those things. I just want you to know that. I don't want to, I don't want to,

I don't want to be mistaken by the guy who did well, who came from hip hop who was stuck in that. No. Well, I guess the segue is there in Illuminati. No. That's bullshit.

I think that's... I don't know if that exists. No, no, no. That part is bullshit. I'd wish you to know that I don't want that thing or those things

to distort the truth. The truth of the matter is those are just like speed bumps. A lot of people who say they were blackball. No. Aluminah. There's a fake words, man.

There's no Aluminati. There's no gathering of people saying we're going to do this. There's no version of like Eyes White Shirt type of shit. No, no, no. I'd never even call me for that party. I'd attend that party.

I to believe that Dame, D, Master P and Two Short and E40 and this, that and the third, and you keep going, we're pushing something

that's bigger than us forward. And all we hope is that at one point, somebody says these were the guys who pushed it. But while we're pushing it, we'd have no idea if we're going to have to get credit for it. I go to San Francisco, see E40.

It's not. like how much money I made or how much money E-40 made or it doesn't even reflect on our conversation. I see a millionaire was telling me a story the other day that was ridiculously fantastic.

When you're pushing something forward that's something that's bigger than you, you removed yourself from the equation and you keep doing that one thing. So when you say, oh, he's in Queens is this, I'm pushing Queens, Oakland,

Memphis, Houston, Dallas, all that shit, Compton, all that shit, I'm pushing all that shit forward. But mind you, he said Cabillionaire. So I think that's a lesson to be learned as well. People haven't heard Cabillionaire in the entertainment space. Communionaire is a smart guy. He's been in entrepreneurship.

He's been doing tech world. Right. We've heard of this. I felt with comedian. I thought it. And I don't care about that part. You're smart, you talented, less push culture forward. That's what this show is.

That's why I'm here. Drink Champs isn't, you may think you're doing something that's like, oh, drink, you guys are pushing culture forward, man. Thank you, Steve's down. Thank you. That's what you guys are doing. Thank you, Steve's stuff. That's what you're doing.

That's why I'm here. I'm not, all other parts of it are meaningless. Right. The part that's the most meaningful is that if you come here, You say something, the world may actually hear it and actually do something as a result of it. Well, I don't need to be here to be hot. Maybe we came to get hot. We don't do that.

No, no. That's 50-50. No, no. I'm not here to get hot. No, but stop. The only part of me want to correct you is because we want to respect our culture. Our coaches, the only thing that I could only be disappointed in hip hop is when people get old in hip hop and people don't want to respect them.

I just can't allow that. I can't allow that. I get that. I can't. I get that. I just can't. I just can't. I feel like, I feel like, no, I should be respected for the breast of his life.

I feel like Jay should be respected for the rest of his life. And guess what? I'm gonna fuck y' y'all up right now. up right now. I feel like Jay Wu, the damages even respect. Absolutely, man. But maybe not the spectrum is not as home. But I'm saying, but he still should be respected. Like we should, our culture, why, why don't we, like, the thing about rock and roll is they, they always respect. They, what was the guy I had, um, Karris, one was in my office. You were there when he was there?

Yeah Those are my guys I keep looking at him My guy So Karas one came to my office I'm talking This is rich Steve style

This is not This is rich Steve style This is not Because of my office And I meet him And Chris says to me That he was homeless Going like this

In the original He's beating this on the wall And the guy who was hearing this Is a guy who works In the homeless facility And that's Scott LaRoc. And that's how they made the Bridges Over. He was homeless when he made the record.

Yeah. No, he was. He was. That's crazy. These are facts. He's telling you this, though. He's a homeless guy beating against a wall. And the guy who hears the beat says, who the fuck is doing that?

And then those guys make the bridges over. And they sell the rights to that song to a company who distributes porn. Steve Stiles fucking love about a whole childhood right in there. Are you telling us porn companies? That's what they're doing. Because they can't get out.

And when the song finally gets out through this porn distribution distributor. Wait, wait, see what, Steve's that, okay. No, no. It was a porn company who put out boogie that production? No, that's sad.

No, bridge is over? Yes. Get the fuck out of that. Yeah. They didn't get a record deal. That's how these things gone. The beginning and the innovation of everything has to pay damages to people who don't understand, people who don't believe it, and all of the other altercations of what means to go forward.

That's all. It's no big deal. He's a homeless guy. He was shitting on MC Shan when he was homeless. Ask him. He'll tell you. So, okay, that's what? Yes, Chris.

Okay. He was homeless and he'd say in front of him. And then he... He, no, I've seen this from him. He was homeless. He couldn't... No, he just said, I'm gonna go in. He kept hearing this shit, he's in the thing.

And he's doing... He's like, it's time for the Bronx. Yeah. We got to represent. He got to represent. And he's homeless. It's tough. These guys did the whole thing,

Maureen. These guys were not fucking around. These guys are the real guys, man. So now, you as a person as an innovative hip-hop, you've seen how much intricate they were in their rhymes and how they put it together.

And now you're still like the market genius. So go ahead. And now, I know you as a person who started from getting to me. Yeah. And now you're seeing these new guys here. Yeah.

Does it ever bother you that they're not doing the same work that you've seen these people doing back then? Or you just feel like, fuck it, I'm gonna get the bread. It's not about the bread. I see it. I see the guy. I see parents. I see love.

I see the difference between how you grew up and what matters to you versus what matters to them. I don't even think about it like that. No. No. No. I was with Cool Herc. When I caught you,

I was in Cool Herc fucking six months ago. Nobody even talks to Cool Hark. We need Cool Hark right here on Dream Chams, actually. I was with Cool Herc. I was with Cool Hark. Talking to who Kuhawk. You know how hard it is that famous. You know how hard it is that Fembrook

even know who Noriega is? Yeah, but then you know what? No, stop. You know how it is for Cool Herc to even know who he is or know who you are? Yes. It's Cool Herc. He's not in 1974.

You don't even fuck about you? I don't expect me. He's one of the right. Yeah, stop. It's my job to know who he is right. I'm listening to him. Cool Hurt is not even talking. Right.

Cool Hurt. Cool Hurt barely talks to me. No, he's right with you No, no, not at all He's not talking to me Right I spent the Dapper Day and I speak to Cool hurt

Because I love what they did And whatever, what happens to me The cool, the fucking Dapaday and Gucci deal You motherfucking writers of me Talked about that They got a peanut man Goh Tocomo

Let me just stop you right there I can't believe how long this conversation I didn't get out of you No, no no Listen, listen, listen. Because I believe, if I believe, if I believe, if I believe, it first started, I felt like you first started and you said you seen something about Dapper Dan that got posted.

It was the, it wasn't even Dapidan. You posted a Louvreve a Torn shirt that Dapidan actually designed. And am I correct? You are 100% correct. Yeah, you asked me earlier. You seen the whole shit. You knew my shit was right. I just want you to know, I respect you.

And I'm 100%. You see that? Yeah. Yeah. We have to God. Even your people who are like, he's good style. You got to relax. That's not what they're saying.

No, no, no, no. This ain't no free lyrics. No, no, listen. The thing was, we sing there. Mm-hmm. Where? God, what's about it? Nickers Jack, this man, this man is a legend.

Dapper Dane is a legend. Daberdin is the reason why everybody wears Gucci and Louis Vuitton and everything to this day. You don't have to know why. And you don't have to argue with me. Don't be like, fuck him and fuck you and you're old. Don't listen. I'm telling you, man, this guy was doing everything. This guy was taking his shit and making sweatpants fit.

and sweatshirts fit and putting Louis Vuitton and MCM and all that shit in these cars. He was putting together the outfit for drug dealers. And we all, as rappers and then, we copied drug dealers. He did it. And then they shut them down.

What do you mean about that? They shut him down because Mike Tyson beat up a boxer. Mike Tyson whipped the nigger in the ring for the money. and then beat the nigga up in real life. Mitch Green. Mitch Green. Mitch Green.

Mitch Green, Mitch Green, Mitch Green. And that's what happened is Dabodan. And the world realized. What is this place that people go to at night? And Bobby Brown is sniffing coke. That's about the cocaine story. Saying Bobby Brown and sniffing coke is wrong. I shouldn't say Bobby Brown is Sliven Coke.

Because you thought he was sniffing something else? No. He thought he was sniffing coke. I just said it. Bobby Brown was sniffing coke. Cah! It's good. It was good. Bobby Brown was hitting y'all at the Bobby jaw. Up in daffy-d-down.

Way before birthday. Murdering didn't have a... No, he had a song with murdering. I dare they love it. He did something. His jaw was like this. The radio was over this way before that. That's way before that. I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, yeah, good. So, Dapadan is doing this, and they come in on them. How do you have Mike Tyson beating up niggas the heavyweight champion in the world? Well, he used to explain it. He can't explain it. They shut him down. They shut down Dapidan. But he made Louis Vuitton and Gucci and MCN.

everything that young, urban, black, Latinos, niggies, none of us could fit a size two. I mean, be bigger than all y'all

y'all niggas, but none of y'all can fit a size two. They were making size twos. He was making custom-made sweatsuits for all of us.

Forever. And they shut him down. And I figured out 25, 30 years later, we're going to get it back. And now we'd get it back. And now we'd open for Dapper Dan Stone Gucci in the Harlem.

Mm-hmm. Gucci. Okay. So we're using Sop. All the prints from 82 to 85. That's what we're doing. We're making Dapper Damn shit. And that's what we're going to do.

This is a matter. As a person, like, as a person, just looking from the outside end, I felt like you went crazy on Instagram at first. Because they had actually had a Louis Vuitton. I didn't go do that? I kind of thought of- I went to Instagram hard?

Did I do that? I don't do that. I'm asking, did I go hard, J.B? Yeah, yeah. You went hard. What did I do? This is when I really wish I went, I wish I had your number.

You did, like, you're gonna keep this on drip your hands. Like, because it was like, it was something, man, it was like, it was a Louvaton. Right, it was a girl wearing a... It wasn't really. No, no, no. I'm 100% sore.

Oh, shit. You know what? I don't want to be the guy that's right. No, you do it in all respect. I want to be a guy who, I want to move cultural. I don't want to be disrespectful.

And if I was wrong in the way I approached it, I didn't want to do that. I'm not going to let this guy get robbed. I'm not going to let you get robbed. I'm not going to let you get robbed. Somebody starts this thing right now. They put three guys here

into a version of this show. right and all of a sudden there's Orlando Bloom and fucking Tom Cruise some other guy God damn I want Tom Cruise to take my show come on I'm in a kid

You're sitting here saying that we're doing drink champs I'd be like you know that shit is fucked up they robbed the niggas who had that original idea Thank you stop Of drinking and talking I don't like that type of shit

That's right And my job It's to never let that type of shit sustained itself without me saying it. And I can't stop it, that's fine. Okay. But I'm gonna definitely say something about it. It's my job.

Thank you, Stahl. The success of this show is not my job. Thank you, the fact that no one can rob you of what you guys invented is my job. Oh, god damn. Let's make the murder, please stop. And that's the part. And that's the end of the show.

Okay, no, my job, and the TV is up. I'm not talking no more. No, no, no. I'm not talking to stop. Stop, stop. I gotta end the show stop. This is the thing.

Please put it back in. Please. I'm not doing that. I got to big you up. No, I have to big you up. I have to big you up. I have to big you up. Listen, listen, let me tell you something.

In hip-hop, we have to start saluting the people that's more behind the scenes. People will only salute. Damn, you got to relax. Gonne, bro. Se foi. So, we love you. style, thank you for coming here.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Tom. Tom was like, damn, I don't know what style invited me to. Right, and it's his fault, right? He was really too.

Absolutely. He's good, man. He's good, man. He's good. He's good. That's legendary, man. We got a legend here, man. Guys, listen,

everybody, you good? I'll take a shot of your shit. Whatever you pick, I'll take a shot. Everybody's good. I will tell you, I am thankful to be here. I love what you guys are doing. Yes. Being here watching this whole thing come together

this shit is though. Thank you. Let's all big up ourselves, man. I love the job. Yes. My job is to push it forward. I love the job. That's my job. It's my job. I want to say... I'm on the fucking front team. You got to stop talking.

I got a little... And you must have... I love that. The fact that you guys are letting them get away with this Mustache in Miami's My mustache ain't ready for real. Do you see your shit over there? Yes! Jungu told me about it.

He texted me. He said, you see stout shit? You know how easily I could have killed your front tooth? You know, my shit is good. My shit is good. I don't know what is going right now. I don't know. It's queen shit.

It's a good. He's a guy. Queens guy. He's from Miami. Huh? Yeah, he's a good. This is what we do. It's Queens.

What are we we ended it peacefully No we always were in the peace with out I appreciate everything that we can do as people And people keep it together I appreciate what you did for hip-hop I appreciate what track masters did I appreciate how to fuck y'all It's people and we fucking want to salute our legends

There's not one show in the world You look at first take you look at all this other shit These guys big up who it is not even first take, TNT with Charles Barkley and what's this shit? Kenny Smith? Kenny Smith? Kenny Smith. What's that show?

Okay, we didn't have that in hip-hop. So that's what I wanted to big up. I wanted to big up the people that I respect, people that I love, the people that put people in positions and make shit work from there. And that's what I wanted to do. Who's in your next shot? We never know who's on that show.

Yeah, we're like firefighters. Yeah. We got the call. We just do what the fuck. We got to do stuff. That's absolutely the truth. That's what we got to do. But guess what?

I wanted you to know in case you ever didn't know it. I respect it. I really didn't. Face to face. What I had with you was because I was a young person. And that's the reason why I came to you and I talked to you and I told you I'm sorry. Because as a man, I knew I wasn't a man. I knew I wasn't a man when I had a man.

problem with you. So that has nothing to do with none. Yes, sir. That was good? Yes, sir. That was good? Yes, sir. You're in front of everybody.

No, I want to do it in front of everybody because I'm a man. And that's what a man does. When a man recognizes what happens in anything and you've done amazing things in hip-hop, you continue to do amazing things of hip-hop. I'm not slapping. And you're not slapping.

I'm not even stopped. You're not even stopping. And you know what? This is what we do in drink champs. We continue to respect the people. You had a good time? You know, listen. It's not your first time.

It's not to be your first time. This guy right here, I love him to death. He's the fucking man. Yeah, you had a good time? I had a good time. You sure you had everything off? Yeah. We want to say something?

No. You know, you know, too. You know, too. We got that old. We got that old. No, no. You got everything off. You got everything off.

You're not. You're not. You obviously didn't hear what I said. It's not your first time here. Because this is a home. I don't know if I'm going to come back. No, no. And you will.

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Did you know what he said? He said that M&M body, Jay-Z, He was so wrong. You know the thing that he didn't know. He didn't know. You don't get his mic on. Royce of 5'9 and Eminem already had the song. I heard the song before they got. I heard that.

I'm not talking about this. No. Take the picture. Take it out. Take it out. You got to take the picture. You got to do everything else, everything else. Everything else.