Drink Champs - #Throwback Episode - w/ Stevie J | (Ep.63)

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs and we're taking it back to some of the most legendary moments in Drink Champs history. Classic interviews, unforgettable stories, and iconic guests who shaped the culture. In this classic throwback episode of Drink Champs, N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN chop it up with the one and only Stevie J!  Hip-hop royalty and culture architect Stevie J pulls up with N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN for one of the most unfiltered sit-downs in the show’s early legacy. Known as a legendary producer and a breakout personality from Love & Hip Hop, Stevie dives deep into his rise through the music industry — from the iconic days of Bad Boy Records to his role in shaping the sound of ’90s and early ’00s hip-hop. The conversation stretches beyond typical interview fare, blending candid storytelling with raw reflections on his work with The Hitmen production squad, his collaborations with artists like The Notorious B.I.G., and the wild ride of blending street grit with mainstream success. Stevie’s charisma drives the episode, mixing humor with insight as he talks about life in the spotlight, the ups and downs of fame, and what it really takes to be a player behind the boards and in front of the camera. Whether you’re a hip-hop head wanting legendary stories or a casual listener drawn to personality-driven conversations, this episode is packed with unforgettable moments that showcase Stevie J’s influence on music and culture. Make some noise for Stevie J !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   -Originally published on February 22nd, 2017   *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow: Drink Champs https://www.drinkchamps.com https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps   DJ EFN  https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions   N.O.R.E.  https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And first off, not only do we have one of the arguably best producers of all fucking times in the building with us, we're also at what is Atlanta's only crab place. Because I've been in Atlanta, I think I caught crabs in Atlanta. Really? Yeah, back of the days. Let me find out. I got to relax. But we got

Who's arguably One of the people who crafted Biggie Small sound One of the people who crafted bad boys sound The original hitman One of the people who Original One of the people who crafted Puff Daddy sound

Mace sound He single-handedly Was the person that did that And today if y'all don't understand Who we're talking about Right now Let's make some noise with Stevie J and the motherfucking bail

See, a lot of people get it twisted And they say Stevie J from loving hip hop And I know you don't like that Because you're making a lot of money You're making a lot of money I'm making some cool paper Yeah, making some cool paper

But I know that It's like when somebody tell me You know, Norrie from whatever whatever and I'd be like, damn, you can't tell me the war report You can't tell me all the other accolades I did And it's wonderful To see a person like you of your count

about continuing and to do your thing. So now my first question is Okay. How was your approach to do loving hip hop originally? Well, I was approached by Mona Scott.

You know, she asked me... Directly, Moena, okay. She asked me if I was interested in doing love in hip-hop Atlanta. You know, being as though, I just got off a hiatus of producing a hundred million records and four Grammys. Oh, let's make some noise for that.

He said 100 million records, Goddamay. He said 100 million. Continue, Stevie. You know, I just got back into Atlanta, and I was, you know, rebuilding myself. And I was looking for the look, you know what I'm saying? So when she called me, that was the look that I needed. I felt, you know, I reached the pinnacle in the music game.

And, you know, the same catch that, you know what I'm saying? I made rich wasn't fucking with me. Which, it's not cool. It's not a problem to me. You know what I'm saying? Nobody owe me shit. And love of hip hop was, or New York was already in place? Okay.

New York was already in place. And, you know, but. I was the first one to bring the two ladies to the table on the show. We talked about Mimi and Jocelyn. Yeah, Mimi and Jocelyn. That's big love. Not just bringing them to the table. I was fucking with him at the same time with each other.

You know what I'm saying? So when you look at all these dupe kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, straight like that. I didn't know you was ready to get raw that early. Yeah, yeah. All right, thank you, Steve. Yeah, absolutely. We're brothers.

We know it. Let's see what it is. I know. I just did. Go ahead and take it. Yeah, so at the end of the day, when you look at all the carbon copies and the stunt doubles and all that. I created that.

I see that. So now, you came up with the famous Stevie J face. Was that something you did from the beginning? Been doing that. Oh, you've been doing that. Been doing that. Let's make some noise with Steve's that.

Goddain. No, no, I'm just saying, because I'm one of the people that looked at it, and I'm one of the people that corrected everybody. Every time they was like, this guy is, you know, He's doing it for TV. I'm like, y'all don't know who he is.

They have to dumb it down for TV. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Not the DJ StevieJ. Shout out to DJ StevieJ and all that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, the Stevie J. Let's talk about that because I always wondered was you actually,

did you take it a certain way because- I don't take it no way. I look at it's homage, you know what I'm saying? Has he ever paid homage to you? Nah, you know what I'm saying? But hold on. We talked to you. You're talking about the DJ, Steve-J?

DJ, Steve, Jay, we talked in Houston and, you know what I'm saying? We hung out and everything was cool. Everything is gravy, you know what I'm saying? Much respect to him. There was no homage paid, though? I mean, it was homage paid. A little bit.

Yeah, you know, I don't feel like you were satisfied. I mean, you know. I can just look at your face. I mean, guys like us never satisfied. But at the end of the day, we'll take that. And, you know what I'm saying? You know, these younger guys, we just got to take what we can get and keep it pushing. You know what I'm saying?

We made guys. We put that work in. I respect that. So let's not bring it to early, Biggie. Okay. Now, Puff tells you, I got this guy named Biggie. Did he say Biggie Small?

He said, Biggie. Biggie, all right. And he says, I got this guy named Biggie. Now, you look at Big. Right. And he's not a traditional rapper looking. Right. I think Puff came on our podcast and describes him as disruptive.

Yeah. He said his look was disruptive. It makes so much sense. Definitely disruptive. So how did you know to give him these classic upscale beats because the way he would just you know

the way he would describe what he wanted to do how he wanted to approach life after death he would just say words he would just spit rhymes and be like you know I need something like that feel like this like you know what I'm saying like armed and dangerous

ain't too many can bang with us straight up we no angel does label us notorious thug ass niggas that love the buses playing to us you know what I'm saying Are we describing the bone thugs record right now? That's who we described. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, he would give you what he wanted to sound like.

You know what I'm saying? A couple of lyrics and let you go there. Prior to you even having a beat. Yeah. Wow. So you would produce a round his, right? Yeah. Most of the time.

You know what I'm saying? He would just be like, yo, I got a, I need something for like, like somebody got to die. Mm. But you said life after death. Didn't you work on ready to die as well? No, just life after death. Just life and death. I came in a life at the devil.

And then he would just give me titles and songs, and I would go in and just... Of the title. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, tell me. Tell me, come up, come on. That's hard. So, wait, he would come to you and give you titles and then tell you to work around that.

Yeah. Nasty boy. Dasque. Whoa. You would work off the feel of the title. Yeah. That's great. That makes a noise for that.

That is, yeah. Now, I'm going to be honest. One time, we paid Premier, whatever Premier was, asking for a price and I paid for me up front but I couldn't get a beat that I love from him until

I actually gave him the title but I had no idea that I was following in the tradition but I'm saying that's how we really you know producers really you give us the title and we like you know we like producers and we like scientists we want to go and create the formula you know designated to the title that you give

us like the feel of whatever they're trying to do it has the sound just like the feel so how did you and Puff initially to connect me and Puff connected. I was on a Jodicey tour with Jodacy Bad Boy and you know what I said? I never met Puff. You know, I was on the door to play.

You were in Jodice? Yeah, yeah. You get the fuck out of it. No, I was singing, I was singing backgrounds for them, playing guitar for them. Nobody never heard this story. I know, everybody never heard of the story. I was playing keyboards, guitars, singing backgrounds in the tour and all. Wow.

That's it. That's kind of. And I feel like I'm really a hip-hop and story. I'm fucked up right now. That's real R&B. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you was on tour with Jodacy, okay? So how did, I now...

I was on a tour, so... But, but I'm saying, even you being on tour with Jodice, you wasn't the main character, so how the fuck was he discovered you? No, the niggins was like, yo, who was this young nigga up there, rocking, singing all that shit, playing all that shit, playing guitars, and kids and all that, and singing, niggins was like... He was obviously talented. Right.

So Puff, I was in the studio with Total playing guitar and singing with them in the booth. Puff came in the booth like, Stevie J, right? I got a contract for you in my car. So we laughed, and we just sat and talked. and we just sat and talked for a while. You know what I'm saying? Your man was like, you all right out here? I was fucked up.

What? Wow. I was wounded. But you said you was around. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's saying. Wait, yeah.

When somebody asked you if you're good, like paper wire? Right, right. Oh, you was wounded. Like, I was wounded. Yeah, pay. A natural assless never going to say. I'm just like, yeah, he'd be like, yeah, I need that. I'm just like, I'm just like, you're all right.

He was hurt. He was hurt. He was like, all right. He had a. I figured out. You know, a pup. He had, just hold it down. Right, right. Six to eight bands, you know what I mean?

Come see me in the morning. He gave you the life change. Yeah, when you started working with Big. Big was already big. Big, ready to die. Wow. After a million. Million, some change sold.

You know what I'm saying? And we just would vibe out in the studio. So now that's one of your first records you ever worked on is for Biggie Smalls. Yeah, life after death. Yeah, life after death. What was the record? The first record. Oh, man.

I can't really remember the first record I remember we was in Trinidad and all the hitmen was in Trinidad Oh you gotta say it's Trinidad Yeah And big And Big came down You know what I'm saying

And we did like 50 tracks Down in Trinidad So those records we never heard properly Yeah I mean like And when you say the hitman Let's describe who the hitman Me

D-Dat Amin Ra Nashim Carlos Brody He did Tion O'I Carlis Brody also did tell what damn what?

Damn, I don't want to miss nobody Prestige Hmm Big man for DC Oh, Chuckie Thompson Yeah my bro Chuckie Thompson

That's right Can somebody pass me a blunt We had Benzino's Crabt We're not really Just It was just like It was like we teamed up

We teamed up down In Trinidad You know what I'm saying It was like But yeah We're not official It was just like y'all No we were signed hitman

And it was like Nassim And Carlos would be on the team. Didot and Arm and Ride would be on the team. Chucky and Prestige and me and Puff will be in the squads. It would be like, you know, who can make the best joints. Now, we've seen pictures of you back in the days,

with you and Mariah Carey with your shirt off. You was pretty loose, flavoring back then. Loose. What about her? She was loose, too. That's true. I don't know where you're going, Stevie J, but I'm ready to go wherever. You ready to go.

I was just kidding. I wasn't loose with you. The chicks be the loose one. She was super loose. Yeah. I don't know we're at, but I'm definitely happy we're in there. That's Bigger Mariah. If you look at a CD, I don't smoke, no one.

She called me a fat muffin man. Yo, Mariah came to the hood lab on time. And we was in the hood lab. We had crates in the hood lab. I'm talking about she drank Pinot Grisio out of a phone cup. She was like, I love no. She was like, Noi, you're my favorite rapper. That's my word.

In the hood laugh, yo. Oh, my God. She had my right. That's my buddy. So now, Stevie, yeah. When Puff initially approached you, did you know who Puff was or no?

No, I did. Okay. So I was saying, I was just, you know, I was rocking with Jodacy. That was it, you know what I'm saying? Now, how did you be Jodicy, though? I met Jodacy. I was singing at a fashion show in Rochester,

and, you know, after it was over, they was like, yo, who did the tracks she was singing on? You don't. So you're singing on your own tracks? Yeah. And it's like, yo, your shit is dope. I'm like, all right, cool. I was like from upstate New York on a low.

Absolutely. People don't know that. Absolutely. New York all day. And I was like, it's a piano in the back. I know all your shit. They was like, yo, get the fuck out of here. Went to the back.

Started playing these shit, singing they're. It was like, yo, you with us. So you actually really know how to play the piano. There's a lot of producers that play the piano through an MPC. No, that call it doink in a music. around. They just do that. You know what I'm saying? Put a Stevie one to join on. Scott Storch. You know what I'm doing.

Yeah. Scott is not. Are you self-talk? Yeah, self-talk. Wow. Yeah, wow. Let's make some noise for that. I mean, so now. Piano is just one of the instruments. So now, I see that. So now Pops sees you, says, I want you to be with us. Right. And then Biggie is already Biggie.

Yeah. Yeah. So now you get in the studio. How do you know what tracks to give Biggie because if Big is already big, he can shut you down. He could be like, relax. Right, right, right, right. He could be like, relax. But he was like, give me all of choice. Whatever you got, let me get all that. Don't relax.

Wow. Don't relax. Don't relax. Exactly. He's like, give me them all. Every track that I handed in, he was like, yo, you all need that. Let me write on that one. Let me get that shot. Wow. So now, after he does that,

How do you not relax? Because I didn't relax. I mean, full steam ahead. I didn't relax. I mean, you know, it was full steam ahead. You know what I'm saying? All the cars. Because a lot of people don't really, really understand.

Like, all right, the bad boy era was our era like none other. Yeah, I respect, I respect baby in them, cash money in them, but I really invented the bling-blink. Oh. The bling-blink. I was spending $2 million on Jew house. Back then? Back then.

That's make some of those to make some love to Stevie J. Yeah. Yeah. I keep a good kid. You know what I'm saying? He got to keep a good kid. Right, right. Yeah.

So, so Puff puts you in charge of the bigie park. Because that's how the people. Well, hold on. No, it was like D-D-D. Big up to D-D. Dida Angeletti, my big bro, Savage with the, he could put together the album. AKA the mad rapper.

The mad rapper, he was great at A&R and putting together directions for the album. Dada spent sleepless nights putting together the album, and thanks to him, you know what I'm saying? I was able to get the direction, the right direction between him and Puff to, you know what I'm saying, give Biggie everything you need.

But how does this phone call happen? Because this is what I'm trying to get to is, you said Biggie was already Biggie. Right. Right? Yeah. So now you get Puff. Puff says it's all good.

We're going to bring you through. But now this is still biggie. Yeah. How do you hand selectly pick these tracks? It was like, yo, Steve, you go to the MIDI room. Puff. You know, Stevie, you go to the MIDI. Okay.

MIDI, MIDI, MIDI, MIDI. Midi. Midi. Daddy's house studio. Yeah, Studio A. I love that. Studio B. And the MIDI room.

Yeah. Go in there, crank them out. Right. that would come in and check on me. He'd be like, he'd just shake his head every time he'd come in and like, boom. Like, yeah. God damn.

Sending the kid. Yeah. Keep working. So, you know, big, every track I gave big, he would love. It wasn't one track that I gave big that he didn't rhyme. Wow. That's kind of incredible. That's a super incredible.

I did, I did, I did 85% in life. Got to get some ice? Wow. That was your album. That was my album. I did Puff album. out. So the publishing is crazy. 15 million. I did 95% of that.

Oh shit. Yeah. And that was a double album, right? No, Biggie's was a double. Biggie, biggie. So I'm going to get a little dark for a second because at one point you left the hip man. You left and you was like, I'm not doing that. How was that period? And why was that period happened? I mean,

it was like... And why did you leave? It was more less like, you know what I'm saying? Yo, we get, when we do this, I'm going to give you that. When we get that, I'm going to give you that. And I'm like, Yeah But in the industry It never happens At the exact time

It never happens sometime at all Let's be frank Let's be frank Let's be frank Let's be frank So you know It didn't happen I'm like

You know I'm like You know what I'm saying And you're 50% of Yeah Everybody Everybody you know what I'm saying Caking up and all that And I'm just getting

You know what I'm saying Marshal's and all that I want to cake up I was doing all the work. Marshals? Morsels. I don't know what that means. Little things.

I was like marshals. Let's say, Puff ain't seen you to marshals. But you know, at the end of the day, it was where it was. I skated off to L.A., went and worked with the Jackson family, the whole Jackson family. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, he's stunning on us right now. No, no, not really. You know what I'm saying? That's when I gained all my information on the industry. You know what I'm saying? Working with the Jackson family, you know, Jackie Jackson at the time, one of my best friends and mentors

show me the game you know what I'm saying Jackie Jackson Yeah the oldest Jackson brother What is Jackson brother What did they teach you like what are they Like all the insight You know what I'm saying All the business

I would imagine they taught you how crazy shit is too Yeah they taught me how crazy shit is But they taught me the business How to handle my business And deal with the business And fuck all the flash and shiny suits And the flash and lights let's handle this business.

You ain't like the shiny suits? I mean, you know. After you handle your business, get the shiny suit. Right, right. I love the shiny suits. I'm not mad at the shiny suits. Even though I was mad at the shiny suits. I love it.

He just said handle the business first. I also was mad that it's not that I was mad that they was dancing. I was mad that I couldn't dance. I just can't dance. Like, gangstons can't dance. I mean, shit. You just do two stuff.

We good. But y'all was dancing and fucking all the bitches. Let's make some noise Bad Boy era God damn it You know I mean so you know After that

It was like Oh yeah yeah Thank you so Yeah That's awesome Yeah That's really I appreciate it

You know You know I paid for my bill today It's very steep as well But I went in But Yeah the dark Yeah Bizzino crab shop

Yeah Bezino craps It's amazing Okay so break it down You know So you know After that You know, some things started to happen in LA where, you know what I'm saying?

I was just cool with all the, you know what I'm saying, the D-boys and the niggies getting money and all that. Things happening where, you know, somebody got kidnapped from my crib. That's not a good thing. Not a good thing, you know what I'm saying? And niggas know me and know my energy. You know, I'm not with none of the fuck shit. But it was my house, so. It's your family.

It's me. You know what I'm doing? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know what I'm saying? That's when shit got really dark. You know what I'm saying? And there was like, all right, shit.

Jackson's was like, oh, all right, we're not fucking with you no more. This is. Yeah, the Jackson. We're talking about Mike's family. We're talking about Mike's brothers and shit. Yeah, Mike's in them. Yeah. No, Mike's not.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, relax. We're going there. Yeah, exactly. So it's just like it got real ugly at that point. And that's when it was like, all right, let me get out of here and go back to the A. You know what I'm saying? And that's where you had lived in the A before?

I lived in the A before. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I lived in like a couple times. I'm saying. So at the end of the day, when I came back here, it was like I had to start all over. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm back to the streets, back to whatever I was doing.

And that's what I got to call about Mona. Okay. So now, now, before we go back into Mona. Right. But now, Big. Big was probably arguably everybody's on everybody's top five. you work with Jodacy

and then you get this call from Puff Mm-hmm To work on 112 album The Total album The Biggie album Black Rob album No Way Out album

Everything You fucked me up I was gonna go Just shit to me Bad Boy dope All right But I want to go to all of those albums By the way

But Biggs album did you know how great big was? Did you know you working with the greatest rap of all time? Yes, I mean, based upon just, you know what I'm saying? Man, man, man, an aura. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And what I felt from the guy, you know what I'm saying?

Man, great spirit. Always laughing. Mad jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I used to bake on big on big. Back any chick. You know what I'm saying? I remember one time I brought some chicks from Philly to the studio.

I'm like, you big, hold them down. I'm going to get the, um, Don Perry, you're on Malibu, cranberry, pineapple juice, and I'm going to Branson. Is that the Stevie J? That's the Biggie. That's what he likes. Oh, no, no, no. Malibu, Malibu and Mayflower.

Oh, Malibu. Okay, okay, got it. So, went to Branson, came back. Bigg was in the booth getting lettuce from both of the chicks. Lettis. Let's make some noise from Biggie. Letters. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever.

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So now, Stevie J. You sit there and you're working with Big. And you said you already recognized Big was the greatest of all the time. Absolutely. At what moment did you feel like maybe Big will never be here again? Never, right? I mean, it was only one moment. You're at this party.

Let's be clear. At all the pictures. I spent $8,000 on don't carry on at that part. Let's make some noise for Stevie J. Spending $8,000. Got that. You're saying about the Soul Train Party? He's there.

He's there. I spent the money on the time. Listen, listen, every time they describe, and God, and God bless me for the way. I'm saying it. No, no, no, the way I'm saying it. Every time you speak about Biggie Small's death, a lot of people, like Pock's last picture was in that call.

Right, which should right there in the car. But a lot of people don't realize that in that part, it's you, puff, and big. You're actually there. Right, absolutely. So that night, did you feel funny or no? Of course, you know what I'm saying? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You can't just say, of course. Are you saying before he would know, like a vibe? No, I'm saying, because it was a vibe party to us. No, no, but you said vibe? Am I lying? I was a vibe. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Before anything.

Did you feel a vibe at that party, or you felt the vibe? for the whole trip the entire night that entire night that entire night and now can you describe that so i mean more or less it just felt funny you know what i'm saying we was at um andro harrell house and everybody like we're going out boom you know what i'm saying and it was like all right let's go out wasn't like enthusiastic and that you know what i'm saying and got to the party we turned up and it just felt like you know at a certain point you know the crowd just started getting thin relax everybody over there you know what I'm saying the crowd just started getting thin And it was like, you saw people dissipated.

No, because what I heard was there was people, when hypnotized came on, there was people actually, like, saying, fuck y'all and shit like that. But you heard what he said? He said it got thin. Yeah, I never heard this part of the story. I never heard that the crowd got thin like that. And when you mean you got thin, what you're saying is people laughed. It's time to go.

When big came? Not when big came, like, you know what I'm saying? A certain point in the party is like, you know what I'm saying? We're not about to close his joint down. And then he just started getting thin. But that was bad boy style. Bad boy style was taking over the whole party and closing it. But it wasn't that time.

He's what he's saying. No, I'm saying I'm asking. We're in L.A. Yeah. Because we're in L.A. after Pock died. Right. Pops their way.

Absolutely. And for you, you're saying it felt weird. Absolutely. Like it didn't feel like any other time bad boy had a party. Right, right. It's like, yo, what time we're getting out of this time? And you felt it. Yeah.

Wow. And then, you know, you heard niggas making their little comments. Like you told me walking out. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know. What kind of comments, though? Like, fuck the East Coast, you know what I'm saying?

Ba, blah, blah. Oh, was that vibe, exactly. Yeah, listen, after Big Dodd, I'm sorry to cut you off. After Big Dodd, even when I went to L.A., the record label were higher security, whether I wanted it or not. Like, I would land, and they would already be there. And me, I, you know, I used to pride myself when not having security. But that was the only place where they would say, shut the fuck up.

You got security out there after Big Die. Absolutely. So I could actually, but you could describe the situation better than anybody else because, like, a lot of people see, again, I want to reiterate what I said. A lot of people see Pock's last picture and they see him and Shug, but that's after they drove war. If you look at Big's last pictures, it's TVJ big and puff. Am I lying? Absolutely correct. Like I'm a red New York hat on with the cola.

And they had Crystal and they had... Don Perri-on. Oh, it's Don Perri-on. Excuse me. I remember right, because I spent all the money on that. Yeah, let's make some of the next TV. Actually, I'll hear that. But, so you're telling me that even in the party, even being comfortable,

Even being, you know, smoking, drinking, spinning on Darn Perry on, you kind of felt something. You couldn't have knew he was going to die because you would have said something. Any nigga from the street understand like, you know, when shit just start feeling funny. You know what I'm saying? And it's time to get up out that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it was time to go and we left. And, you know, we went through the light.

I was in the car with puff. And, you know, they didn't. I was in the car. I was in the truck. Yeah. I got a question for you. How many cars? back y'all was from biggie.

It was, Puff went through the light and Big and then was right behind us, big and season. And just for the front, yeah. And just for the dumb people out there, please, TVJ, please say this.

Puff had nothing to do with that. Of course, not. I just hate when the people say... Who says that? No, it's a whole documentary saying that Puff killed big. Like, I just hate... The Shug conspiracy, but the Puff...

Yeah, I just hate that. That was a punch of man. Yeah, I hate that experience so much. That's ridiculous. I didn't even, he did this. Of course not. He never, I remember what he did. He did this show.

And I didn't, I didn't even want to say it because I just felt so dumb, even, even bringing that up. Certain things go on to say. Yeah, certain things. We don't, we don't need to entertain that. You know what I'm saying? That was his men. That was just, you know what I'm saying? Star-skinned huts, you know what I'm saying?

Stick the clutch and all that. Now, how was bad boy after that? Thanks. I mean, it was Because I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't say ruin, but it was, it was, it was dark. It was dark.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody was hurt, you know what I'm saying? We was in the studio. Everybody was in the studio was like candles, lid, and, you know what I'm saying? And we listening to. Because Big was your funny guy. Like, I remember going to the, um, bad boy.

And I remember recorded T.R. N.W. Because I recorded T.O.O.A. And I remember seeing. Not seeing I, Iris and Carlis, I'm Brody. And I remember going and I remember seeing y'all always smile. Yeah. And then I remember after Biggs died and nobody was smiling. And nothing smiled about it.

Like everybody was just sitting there. And don't get me wrong, y'all would still give me beats. Yeah, but ain't really nothing to smile about it. Yeah. Because, you know. Because in your opinion, was it a dark day from there? It was a dark, it was a dark year from there. It was a dark year from there pretty much.

much because, you know, even if you look at all the interviews with big, talking about the situation with Pot, he would never entertain the bullshit. Yeah, he never did. You know what I'm saying? He was never like, you know what I mean? He's trying to be positive. No, he wasn't trying. He was positive. You know what I'm saying? That's why me and him was sitting down in L.A. I was having the son around the time and he was having a son around the time.

And, you know what I'm saying? He was like, yo, I'm going to be your son, Godfather. You're going to be my son, Godfather. You know what I'm Chris? I'm Chris Godfather. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, it's just like, he would just tell me like, yo, I don't entertain shit because I don't want to be a part of the negativity. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And then the next day for this to happen, that fucked everything up. And then for you, the crazy shit is because you got to experience the first rappers that ever got killed. Right. Some real shit. So with all this shit that's going on now, I don't take it serious. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Like the young droll shit, you know, young droves on here. Who's that? Yeah. Relax. Relax. I wasn't ready yesterday. He was that. He was that.

He went straight in Steve. I'm just saying I don't know these dudes. I'm just saying. All I know is getting money, you know what I'm saying? You know, all I know is, you know, I'm kind of, I'm a fly guy. You know what I'm saying? You know, I like. Can we make noise for you being a fly now?

No, no, no, no. Not yet. Okay, okay. I got a little story to tell like this. Please, please. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, and I'm not. I just pay attention

and my inbox be going off With stories About your DM Yeah my DM With stories to tell About people Like the young

What's the name? You got dirt on your You can throw it out Yeah It's okay He pointed out No what's your man Young

Young? Yeah You know what I mean You're like You know Like I get DMs From all type of communities Like

The transgender community Oh Nah, the different aura. Hold on, wait a minute. You want to see this? You got to see you? I got, hold on, look, you want to see? You don't know what?

You want to see? Me? You don't know? But, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I just be bowling my lane, so I advise cast a bowl lay lane, you know what I'm saying? I own my bowling alley. They got to rent a ball. You know what I'm doing? Oh, they really rent balls.

He killed that. Yeah. The yawls, y'all. Yes, yeah. It's be easy, guys. I don't know where we're going. All right, hold on. We would leave you, by the way.

We don't really want to do it. No, hold on. No, hell. Oh, for y'allah. Since we're on, we live, we live. We live and be live. Bezino's crap chat. Be live.

Zino's crab trap trap. Zeno's crab trap. Zeno's crab trap. Yo. All right, we're going to do it like this. Okay. Chico, good. You hear you here.

How's your brother, how's your drink? How's your drink? I'm gonna love it more. We drink in Moscow, by the way. No, this is not. And Martel. And Marl.

And Marlisle. And Sarat. So I'm only drinking sarah. I'm drinking sarah. I'm drinking. I got to relax. This is her saying. I'll describe your face for you.

This is a podcast. His face is quite flustered right now. And then she's looking. And then it says, he's looking quite confused. I will, you are my king. I know he doesn't know what And no he looks away You know

Shout out to Bad Boy Entertainment Danger zone We in the building Shout out to Benzino, crab, trap and everything You know what I'm saying

Listen man I'm in the truth I just read What did he just see? I mean, you know I'm just saying Dude's got a Bollet Lane Man

No no I don't That doesn't describe anything No You know I'm up We're talking about I'm in the gym and you know what I'm saying

and you know I wrinkle up a nigga school clothes man you know I try to I do you right there you know yeah so I guess I won't know what the hell you guys

I'm just saying no I'm just saying no I'm saving him he know what I'm talking about I'm gonna let him live you know what I'm saying but don't mention me don't know

don't mention the good guy and all fairness this is what he said when he came on our show like that straight like that Let me hit that, Diego. Young dro, yeah.

Because when he came on our show, I can't. What did he say? I can't speak about everything else. What did he say? Just what he said. He said that he just didn't appreciate that you called him. The thing is, he felt like if he was a- Because he said he never touched, Jocelyn.

It don't matter. It's a G-n't matter. If a G-call you, you handle that. Big meets in my phone. I never met him a day in my life. He texted me. I'm a text-in-back. That's a respect thing.

No, you're right about that. You know what I'm saying? Can't complain about that. You're right. You know, but you know, it's all good. Don't go on the breakfast club saying, oh, this, that, and making little jokes and all. And keep your jokes to yourself.

Because I can make, same thing make you laugh. Make you cry. And I'm the good guy. All right, let's make some noise for the good guy. I got that. Because, you know, I fuck with both of y'all. I love you. You know.

But also, I would like to ask you. I'm not saying I don't fuck with him. You know what I'm saying? You got to play. You're both great people. I would love you. to be the person to bring it together. It ain't about that.

I'm cool just hanging with my kids. I don't even need no extra shit. But my thing is just like I'm a man. You know what I'm saying? Be a man about shit. You know what I'm saying? Don't try to get no rep and catch no wreck off me. You know what I'm saying?

We're going to really just have to get it in. Right. Period. I'm just, I'm from that order. That's right. You know what I mean? Like I told you in the beginning of the video, I'm going to be all over the place.

Now, what was your relationship with Tupac? Oh, Tupac? We just fucked all the same bitches. Let's make some money for y'all fucking the same bitch I mean I'm going on front man To this day still

To this day Relax don't answer that question It's going to bring you down the wrong Trap Don't ask you that Don't answer that We just We just you know

We associated with all the same girls And we couldn't never hang out You know what I'm saying We just It kept a cool After the beef you couldn't hang out I mean it was like When did the beef at the end

Right It was straight like that That shit was ridiculous. Ben Zino, I know this is your spot, but I'm going to have to actually relax. Come on, Zino. You're the biggest problem right now. So you had no music with Pock. I had no music with Pock.

It would be L'I. Yeah, but you know, we couldn't do it. You know what I'm saying? It couldn't happen because, you know, I'm with Puff. I'm with big. That's that. Bottom line. So you say, Pock, try to get beats from you at that.

I'm not saying. I'm saying we rock with all the same joints. and his chicks would be like, now what I'm sorry? His ticks would be like, yo, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, you know what I'm saying? We can't even do that.

My loyalty lies with who it lies with. But prior to the beef, did he try to get beats from you? Nah, it wasn't even, you know what I'm saying? He was death row. Now it, now's it. Now it's bad boy. And that's like, yeah, but how,

what was that environment though at that time? Exactly. If we bad boy, we bad boy. Basically, he's saying, this is what he's saying. Nah, let him say what he's saying. Relax. Yeah, I know what I'm saying. Relax.

You're saying, man. This is what you're saying. You're saying if my man ain't rocking with you. I don't fuck with you. I don't want to. I wouldn't, and I can't and I won't. That's it. That's it.

That's what I said. But describe that situation because prior to that, bad boy is just happy. You know, you're not chilling to the public. Right. To the public. Yeah, happy. You're chilling. And now here's this guy comes out.

And he shits on y'all. I mean, let's be clear. He's super shits on y'all. All I remember. How do y'all stay cool? This is how I remember the whole shit going down. Because, you know, I'm new to the whole shit. You know what I'm saying?

I just remember niggas in the office listening to hit him up. And I just walked by the office. Hit him up was amazing. They listening to it in the office? We told my bad boy. That must have been crazy. Oh, oh, Daddy's house? That's a story just to listen to it.

Hold on, I really got to hear this story. You're a little bit. I'm sitting back. I'm really going to hear this is a story. I walk in a house. Okay, hold on. So you walk in Daddy's house and they already listening to it or? Yeah, they already listening to it.

Okay, this grass. And it was like, you know, you walk through those steel doors. I remember. I thought it was gold. No, it's still. Yeah. Gold and then gold and game. It's silver.

Okay. And then you walk through those doors and then the office is right to the left. Mad niggas is in there. Right. Listening and hit them up. And I'm just. It's like, I walk in. But big, it's not in there.

No. Okay. And I'm like. It's offensive as enough. You don't need to. No, I mean, before I've been heard of, you know, I just seen niggas is like, and I'm listening to the record. And I'm like, shit's about to get dark.

You know what I mean? The aura got dark. The aura got dark. Now, who shot you? What's the timeline or the timeline? That's what I'm asking. Everybody's confused about the timeline. Yeah.

I mean. Was who shot you? Shacha made directly after that? Because originally we thought DJs was told. It was made prior to that. Well, you know, I don't recall. We're not going to get answers here. I respect that.

No, I'm not bad. But we're not going to get answers. I respect it because as an East Coast nigger, I got a row. I'm neutral. You know, my thing is like, I'm a New York nigger forever. You know what I'm a New York, too. You know, and it's like, you know, shit just happened the way it happened,

and it just, you know, threw our whole coast off the, off the, off the absence for you. But your lack of answer could be an answer, bro. I mean, I'm just saying, I don't recall. No, he's right, though. But, um. A lot of drugs back then. Yeah. Let's make some noise to do a lot of drugs.

Yeah. Yeah. No noise for drugs on my end. So now. Are you still using it? No, yeah. I don't use them at all. I mean.

I matter of fact, if somebody pulled me a box of surprise. Oh. Salutes a much good thing. Who is that? I feel like they got to go. God bless. You feel like they got to go. Why?

They broke something? Yeah. You know what, though? On another note, though? Yeah, yeah, Steve. You know, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. You know what I'm saying? No, I got nothing but the utmost respect for you.

This is what I'm saying, though. All right. you know I'm gonna take a bottle so rock can you pass me one absolutely thank you sir open one we got one open already all right thank you guys when I came in the game it was like I came in with Jodacy you know what I'm saying even though I'm state nigga

getting money straight nigga boom boom I was like and let me cut you up for one second because let me just tell you something Jodice was beating niggas up they were like the R&B wool tank I had to fight with them you got to get into that right now right now Steve Jeter that's the next that's the next one

what happens Don't tell me it was over my everything. I had a fight with Jodice. You fought with you. You were playing the keys too hard. No, no, no, not at all. All right, so, you know, Shug started managing Jodice. Wow.

Right? Check this shit out. You heard about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so, boom. So, you know, I get the call from Devonte. You know, I'm working on the Jotency app, but I'm really with Dalvin, Dalvin, my man.

I'm rocked with Dalvin, doing all the music. Let's describe. Devonte's a light skin one. Devonte is the genius. To produce the genius. It's his brother. I'm supposed to be the gangster. Where's Jersey from?

North Carolina. Yeah. Okay. I'm right so. Devonte, Usher Raymond, produce Usher Raymond, everybody's shit. Fucking Madonna, all that. You know what I'm saying? Brother, you can't just say fucking Madonna.

Yeah, let's make some noise to him. Fucking Madonna. Slide over that shit. We can't just say that. All right. Fucking with Turer and Madonna. He's like fucking Madonna. Yeah, yeah.

I guess, Steve. You know, so I get the car like, Yo, what's going on down there? You know what I'm like, listen, man, I'm not fucking none of these bras. You know what I'm saying? He's like, well, I'll be back tomorrow. Boom.

Come back to the studio we have a meeting at the studio. All right. So at the time, it was Devonty had Missy, Timberlin. Port a terrible thing. I'm sorry. Go ahead and continue. Missy, Timberlin, player, tweet,

sister, T-Y. And body, Ferell. T-Yrele. All right. All right. So, all you. All of them was in the studio, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying?

He walked in, he's smacking everybody. Genuine. Timble him. Missy. What, literally smacking? Smacking him. Are we saying that Wante was the R&B show tonight? Yeah.

This is what we're saying? Wow, wow, wow. This is what we're establishing right now. This is exclusive shit, man. Okay, go ahead, please. I heard this story before. But the hair you say it? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Definitely. It's exclusive. I want to hear. I want to remember who told me the story. All right, okay. I'm going to tell you who else told me the story. I was there. Look at Zeno.

Zeno, what's funny, man? Kim's smacking girls around Zeno. Fino, relax. Make some crabs, Zeno. What are you doing over there? Make some noise for Zeno's crap. Get back to Devonte, the gangster. Is it Devonter?

All right, good. Devonty, just smack. Okay. So he gets to me. He's walking in the studio just with the pit bulls. Hold on, no, no, not randomly with the pit bulls. Oh. Damn, he got dogs too.

And with the body guys. He's saying, he's saying, you sit your $5 ass down before and make some tape and then smacking you? That's how he's doing it. No, I swear to God I heard this story before. But it's been, I swear I heard this story before. Shit right here. All right.

So boom. Can't be smacking chicks and all that, boom. So he gets to me, like, yo, you cool you with my brother. It's okay. A couple chicks. No, no, I mean. Like, you know what I mean? But his little cousin come around doing the same thing.

He gets to me, you know, like, let me smack you. Nigger, you smack me. You smack me? I'm killing everybody. Right, right. You know what I wasn't even up back then. I was slimming whatever. Boom, so I go to fight niggas.

Niggas hit me in hair with a bottle. Boom. I'm fighting niggas. Got the cut off my iron. Not Devanti. No, I wanted security guards. But Devante? Try to thug you, too?

No, he wasn't, his cousin. His cousin? He was his cousin. He was his cousin. So, Dalvin. Devonte. Yeah. He's like a lot going on.

So make a long story short. I'll shoot Devon table next time I'll see him. Because I felt like he tried to ask me for a verse one time. He was way too aggressive. Now I know why. I continue. I'm sorry. So anyway, you know, after that happened, you know, the next day, you know what I'm saying?

I'm talking to Missy and Timmerlin, like, yo, yeah, y'all niggas still fuck with this nigga. You know But you Are you down with This time Or you're not down Okay You know what I'm saying

But you don't like What's going down At all But you in Rochester My hometown When I can make That call on niggas Right

Oh you're in Rochester At the studio Yes Okay You know what I'm saying Make a long story short You know what I'm saying Niggas all left them

Missy, Timberlin Woo-woo Thanks to the guy Having the fight What guy having to fight? What guy having to fight Who had a fight?

Oh With Devonte Yeah Squared up with him I mean, you know, fighting whoever I fought, it was like three of them niggas. But thanks to my fight, everybody. I feel like you won, because that's why you bunging it.

I got out of there. He fought the good fight. And thanks to that fight, everybody left. Genuine, Missy, tweet, play, everybody left. So you helped them get out of that situation. I heard this story before. I'm going to be honest. You heard this?

I heard Devanté was the show, man. R&B should have got to hear it. You know what I said? He wanted to be. You got to give him the credit. He let them lose. No, he's letting it out. But I'm saying I let that let everybody out of their shit pretty much.

By you getting in that situation and confronted it. Because they wouldn't have done it. See, that's what I'm saying. Yo, you know, Ching Ming, hit that. Well, see, that's what I'm saying. This is why. This is the reason why I win, when, you know, people say Stevie J from love and hip-hop, I always, as a hip-hop fan, I always be super mad.

even though I know that's your new hustle But you know it's not even a hustle It's like you got to look at it like this 100 million records, five Grammys So he did that Excuse me All right now But check this out

But check it out though But let me Hold on, hold on Let's big you up for that Say that again Would you say that 100 million records Five Grammys

Okay a hundred million records And five Grammys Make some more Young Jock ex-girl Relax I'm so sorry I'm so sorry It's a lot of publishing

Because I remember you take them Put over here I talk about how you take them But, you know, it's more less like, after that, you know, it's like, where else you're going to go? How high can you go? You know what I'm saying? So I had to create another lane for myself. And, you know what I'm saying?

I'm blessed to have created a lane where number one show on VH1 for six seasons and the number two show, my executive production on two shows, number two shows for VH1. Oh, leave it to Stevie. Leave it to Stevie and Jassel, number two show for VH1. You know what I'm saying? And I got four more shows coming on. VH1 and shit. Let's make some noise for that, goddamn. So, you know, say what you want,

you know what I'm saying? I don't even got to touch the drum machine, even though none of these niggas can't even scuff my timbrelings. None of you producers, you know what I'm saying? But I'll let y'all live. Let's talk to that shit one more time. Tell them, niggas, they can't fuck with you. They can't fuck with me, you know what I'm saying?

They don't know how to play the piano. Or the guitar, or the violin, or the saxophone or the trumpet or the drums of anything, you know what I mean? Any instrument. They play dead. I play anything but dead. You know what you know what you know? Luke that, copy that, sync that, yeah, me.

Don't want to see me on that. Y'all, go ahead. Y'all young boys do what y'all do. I won't even embarrass you. What I mean? We got producers in the house. I mean, that's cool. That's cool.

You know, I'm a different kind of guy. You know what I mean? Your track records? I'm the good guy. That's right, baby. I'm so sorry. She's so fantastic. I like it.

Come on. Come on, sis. Come on, sis. That's my sister right there. That's my sister, me too. Yeah, as a sister. I like her. That's my sister.

Sit my hand, sit right. Come on, son. What's up? Young Jaka's gonna not like us. No, come on, man. That's my bro. We're good. We're good.

We get money together. We're just saying. We're new York niggas. But I'm just saying, we get a lot. Tonight. They're on you. I understand. Because, you know, you know what it is?

There's so many gay niggas in Atlanta. I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's so many, like, flagrant niggas in Atlanta. That we go out here, we score big time in a great way, meaning in the crap, crap. And then we just feel like, like, like, like, most straight guys that come here, we feel like they, people don't appreciate their woman in Atlanta. Well, you know, so that's why I'm able to, that's why I'm able to have 10 pieces.

That's a beautiful, that's some beautiful ladies in LA. My wife, I'm just throwing it out there. But you feel like guys don't appreciate you? Absolutely. I'm just here because there's too many women to choose from. Are you not from Montana? I'm from Compton. Oh.

We've done that, girl. She's from Balton. I'm from Bombton. Are you from the blood side? Yes, sir. Relax. Relax. Yes, sir.

That means, don't shoot nobody. Let's relax. She didn't shoot nobody. I'm a big shot. I'm a good. Young Jack, that's my nigga. I'll fuck with that. He's a good guy.

He's a good guy. Yeah, he's not a good boyfriend, but he's a good guy. That's our personal business, though. I'm lost. Who's her boyfriend? Young job. Her kid's father. I have kids with him.

Oh, you got kids. So sorry. I didn't know that. I forgot. I do remember that. I'm a big fan. I know every, come on. Test me on love of hip-hop.

I see. You already got me. I want to see how good I am. You got me by saying that I video. What did I meet Jocelyn? No, I'm watching him. It's definitely a strip club I'm definitely going to

I'm definitely going to run it out of that Onyx Nice You got me Now that you broke it up Yeah you bung it up That's me New Year, new goals

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is you. I know that. But a lot of people can't tell that. Right, right. So, when they bring up you and Jocelyn relationship. Right. Man, I didn't want to bring it up, but you did. It's all love.

I'm in. I love myself. I mean, I can talk about anything. I'm in. Were you disappointed from certain acts that she made? Or where you're just like, fuck it? It's not a disappointment thing, you know what I'm saying? It's a, you know, I've been in this game for years.

I've been doing this. Screwing chicks, telling lies, selling pies, committing felonized, and she's new to this. You know what I'm saying? You got to smoke a cigarette to that. I'm going to keep a cigarette. That's a cigarette. That's some pimp shit. I mean, it's just some real shit.

But I'm just saying it's like, I've been there, I've seen it all. And she ain't, you know, it's all new to her, all the flashing lights and all that. So more or less it's like, you know, I'm not one to judge, you know what I'm saying? I just hope on her, you know, whatever she go through, make her stronger, you know what I'm saying?

Nah, but as a nigga, as a nigga. What up, Quint? That's your nephew, right? Yeah, my nephew right there. As a nigga. Because I'm a man. And I've been in power for almost 20 years. So any woman that I meet, they might say, oh, cool, whatever.

She's going to be with you for that. And you have to face the same adversity as I face. So did you ever feel like from the beginning that you met her that she was there for that reason? Or you felt like, damn, this is my ride here. We was rocking. We was rocking. No, no, no, no, real talk. We was rocking.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what it was. I felt like in it. Like, I got a baby moms that remind me at Jocelyn. But I got to get, I can't even stand around me. So I was like, damn, I couldn't tell if like, it was like Stevie J going through the shit. I just went through. Yeah, yeah.

Worse. Yeah, you was there on the service board. Relax, you mean. Relax. Relax. You know, we went to family. caught the guy. I've been the family caught with N-R-E.

All right, why are going to? Yeah. I appreciate this. Stevie J. I just left it last week. But you understand. So when I seen you

dealing, like I've related to you so much and even when you say, oh, Stevie's a idiot and he came back and it's just like sometimes as a good person, you just want to forgive shit and you want to patch it up.

You know, it's not even pretty much about the idiot thing. It's more less like, ah, shit, if I'm fucking with this person, I'm fucking with him, you know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck with nobody think. If I fuck with you, I'm gonna fuck with nobody thing. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? If I rock with you, I do. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna pop for me?

I'm gonna pop the trigger for you. We're gonna rock out. Right. And that's how you was, sis, too. Please, because I've seen you. Because niggas, niggas seen you on love and hip-hop. I'm saying, you gotta relax. Who got to relax? No, because you kept going back and niggas want to knock you down

in New York so much. I know. Not even just in New York. Like right here, right here. Like right here. Right here. Right here in the good old peach state. And you know, we got ass eaters.

You know, my, my cool. I'm done. Yeah, you too much. Any of the ass in here right now. Any of the ass eater with each of your ass now. Oh, you realize. Right now. That's funny.

Like, how did you feel like just, you know, on national. TV. No, on national TV, you know, like, you kind of had the show that you weren't lying to another girl. Well, always remember that we're talking about

television, first of all. So you're saying it's fake. No, I never used to word fake at all. I just said. You get too much money to let that happen. Look at Stevie J. Always remember that we're entertaining you. It's not.

not fake and that this is our life and we choose to show our life in the way that we chose to show it to you so you can't really analyze it you gotta just go for what we gave you

go for what you gave you go for what you gave you yeah and then too on that note you know what I'm saying you've been through a lot of in your personal life absolutely but for you to be able to open up and give the world a glimpse that your

Absolutely. I applaud you. Let's give it up. Let's give it up for you. My baby sister here. And I'm not going to lie, because a lot of us looked and we see how beautiful and gorgeous she were. And a lot of us, like, you know, she's gorgeous. She's beautiful. My sister is gorgeous. I said what? Yeah, I say what? She's amazing. Go ahead and show me. Show them. Show him. Look at my baby sister here. Look at my baby sister.

I'm like, let's do a shot. Let's do a shot. It's a shot time. Let's do a shot time. Let's do a shot. No? Oh, y'all. Look at y'all. Y'all. Y'all already.

Y'all already. But a lot of us sat back and we thought it was foamy. I thought we were going to do a shot first. Yeah, let's do a shot. There's no shot. Yeah. You put more. Give us glasses.

This is the revolt shot. Yeah. But a lot of us saw it and thought that it was phony because we're looking at, at you and we're saying she's way too beautiful to deal with what she was dealing with but here's the thing it's not me yeah I'm all those things

I'm a nurse I have a radio show I'm on my heart I'm smart I'm smart You got a podcast Yeah absolutely I love to Yeah well relax and stuff stuff come with us You're so bad

But the point is The point is I'm doing What I'm doing too But sometimes people can't find themselves. So in that, they are running in circles. You want her to come? She's going to sit right here.

Oh, my bed. Oh, what did I do? Did you get me? Come on, man. Come on, man. There's two chairs. Are we breaking, I don't want to make it sound like that, but are we breaking a new artist?

Is she an artist? Yes, salsa artist. Oh, salsa. I would love to see everything move what you're sassing. Okay. Can you sit there? So, Ian Baker sit there? I don't want to, I don't want to seem like I was giving away his seat. She's cute. When he went to the bathroom. I mean, God damn it. Cute is for baby and puppies. She's a grown woman. She's a grown woman. So what do we call, Stevie-J? I would like to call her, um, what you call her, um, what you call

what you call women. Okay. I respect that. I just, I just respect her for being a hustler, you know. And you're the good guy. I'm the good guy. And, you know, say what you want to about me. you know, I manage Jocelyn and Mimi's career and they're making a lot of fucking money. They are. Let's make some noise with Jocelyn and Mimi making money.

But now everybody is looking at her. You got to put my kids' mothers in place. Everybody's looking at her. And we're saying what are you? Are you from Noriega hood? Are you from Noriega?

Oh. I got turned on and got to stop. You're like. I got to relax. You got to relax. So, you're from Panama. And from the hood. You got a gun on you?

I'm done. I'm done. She knew exactly what you're from. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. But now, now, baby girl. I'm sorry I got to ask you this question, but I have to accent to it. Because your accent, your body,

Whatever Jocelyn might Just try to snuff you I'm just throwing it out there Because you know I'm done I'm right So I have to step in as management

Yeah No I'm just saying I don't know I feel like she can handle it But you know I'm gonna be diplomatic I'm diplomatic here I feel like she might whip

Jobs and ass I don't know I'm not sure You know This is what it is Yeah No I'm gonna be the manager And I'm gonna be a diplomatic

She's not running from anything. She's not going to run from anything. But I just advise her just to stick to the plan and let's get to the money. Now, Stevie J. Yes. What happens? We're in Onyx. I'll tell you, let's go get some lemon pepper.

All right, okay. Lemon pepper. Me and you, we get lemon pepper. Right. We're sitting there. There's no denying that she is gorgeous. Okay. She's, she's.

I can't hear you. What's the step above gorgeous? Because whatever it is, Phenomenin. Whatever it is, she's there. Can we take our shot? Let's take a shot. But, Stevie, let's continue.

If I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm your ex-girl, we're going to die. I'm not, which I'm not. That's what I'm going to die. But you understand what I'm saying, right? baby girl. All right, all right. Shout for everybody.

Here we go. Hey. I got shot to. I know. I'm listening to you, bro. But if I'm you, go ahead and handle your business. What I'm saying is, like,

like, I'm just saying, that's your ex-girl. But that's not, this is not what this is about. This is about, you know, Danger's on Latino. You know what I'm saying? This is about, you know,

my brand. This is about me presenting new artists to the table that hustle, that are great artists. and, you know, that, you know, have that look and ambition and the talent to do what they do. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to put my neck out on the limb for nobody that's not, that I don't feel as appropriate. You know what I'm saying?

No, we know that already. But the point we're trying to say, let's relax. The point we're trying to say is it's going to be taken the wrong way. So not right now, if you go to onyx and then Justin walks in, what's going to happen tonight? What's going to happen? It's going to be like, she's cute.

Are we taking her home? She's definitely going to do that. Those are her exact words. I definitely respect that. I definitely respect that. And that's what it is. You know, one thing I could say about, you know, me and Jocelyn be through the fire.

You know what I mean? We went through the fire and, you know, some things were set up on, you know what I'm saying? And it's your baby, right? Right, right. It got to be your baby. Absolutely. So that's why, you know what I'm saying?

I respect these dudes, these young dudes going on the radio, trying to make jokes and all. Like, keep your jokes to yourself. I don't play with my family. I don't, you know, listen, they can lie about mine, die about mine. Point blank. Everybody feel the same way about their kids, right? Yes.

I'm right, cool. Let's give it up about that. I didn't take a shot. What's your shot at? You saw a ready gun. I'll take another one. Take another one, God, down. You need take your shot.

Your shot? I took it from the bottle. Man, you were in, bro. Come on, sis. No. All right. That's it. That was the rock.

It's the best. Lockhead of the world. God damn. I was saying something about you. I was saying something about both. You know what I'm saying? I respect you, Norrie, for a lot of different reasons. That.

You never switched up. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying you always been the same dude. You know what I'm saying? Man, never switched up. You know what I'm saying? And thank you for that. But Stevie J, you know what?

I'm one of the people that campaigned, your campaign, because when people kept saying Stevie J. from loving hip-hop, I was single-handedly the person that I didn't want. I mean, I get loving hip-hop. I get it. But I just wanted people to recognize your career. Look, my nephew's a young boy. He's a millennial, right?

Quint, oh, my God. He's one of my artists, stages of art. He's a millennial. These dudes only know me for you. from love of hip hop at lancet. Unless you go ahead and Google, how many Google niggas we got out here? Googleers. There's Googlers. It's Googleers around.

I'm like, Googleers. You know what I'm saying? And all my nephew would be like, yo, aunt, they know you. You know what I'm saying? For the producer, they do their research. They know you from love and hip hop first and I know you. You know what I'm saying? So my nephew makes sure that all these young niggas know what's up. And you know what I'm saying? With you, I just, you know what I applaud you. I respect you. And I support you, you, whatever. And nobody never, but never said nothing foul about you. I'm

I'm a regular school clothes. Straight up. You're going to do that. Yeah, I'm going to do that, though. Now, please don't. No, I'm nice. I go boxing four times a week. So now, Stevie.

So now, when you get, because, yo, you get booked for shows a lot. And when they say, you know, Stevie J from love and hip-hop, how does Stevie J feel? That's what I'm always like, yo, don't forget the Stevie J. 100 million records 5 Gramies in, you know what I'm saying? I always let him know. So do you actually tell them

to change the flyer or no? I tell them when I get there. Oh, okay. You just tell them how that bag. Just have the bag. You know, Quint, they got the front end. They got the back in? I just got a text message

while I was sitting over that 20 minutes ago somebody got the bag for you. I see, that's what I'm talking about. He collects all my back is up. You know, you see my next. Relax my backs. So now you, sweetheart. Now you sweetheart.

Now you did, and we heard you're doing love and hip hop again. Oh. We heard you sign back on. Wow, did you? Yeah, her, yeah. You know, more than my friend. You should let me negotiate your contract. You should let me negotiate your contract.

Uh-oh. Wow. Boss talk. Relax, Norrie. You know, she got me so good. She got me so good. She said it back. Okay.

But, yeah. Hey, you got to stay tuned. Right. Stay tuned. Now, in that season, did you feel it was like right? No. There was a lot of things wrong with that season. With my situation.

With your situation. Yeah. Because when Shorty rolled up on you and then you said, I'm going to show you. Yeah, you are funny. Why you keep concentrating on that part? because that fucked me up you was like

oh bitches is out here videos like videos yeah you you videotape shit like I mean I mean but I feel you because

the way it was approached it was like that was you that's what you want me to do yeah exactly so it's like and when she comes the reason why I felt you

was her approaching you exactly when she approached you I mean like if And before that, nobody ever remember. So when people always think about that scene or have an opinion about it, they never remember the beginning when he said,

before the show even started and you didn't know who we were, she came to my house. So that's big for me where I'm from. She came to my house, my nigga. You know, kind of my house where our kids lay their head. So now we forever have beef. Right. That's right.

Or some realtor. She came to your house. She knew you were. She was a realtor. Absolutely. No, she was with Jock And I was having Love and hip hop gave her your address

No, it was before I'm telling you all the issue was before I think love and hip hop did that It was before It was before Why does she come to your house Because she was looking for what she felt was her man But I have kids with him

That was definitely disrespectful You don't come to my house You know how much You know how much disrupting you You don't love my hip pop Stevie And you know what I still root for you Still roof of you.

I'll be like, damn. You know what? And you'd be saying you're a good guy, but you give me a lot of excuses not to root for you as a good guy. But yeah, those are different excuses is over. If you watch leave it to Stevie, you know what I'm saying? I watched someone leave it to Stevie. Days is over. You had all your kids there.

All my kids. All my kids. All right. All right. Lived in one place. I respected that. And my son is playing Division 1 ball, little Stevie. This is number one score in his division.

Wow. Wow. That's a big dad up. See, nobody's big dad up. It's big dad, man. Good day. Listen, man, at the end of the day, I love my kids. You know what I'm saying?

More than I love me. When you say you're a good guy, you really believe it. Yeah, I mean, it's facts. And you really are a good guy. It's just, I take care of all my, man, my family, man. It's just where you be sticking your shit at sometimes. You just fucking anything. I'm going to be honest, I don't fuck anything.

At one point, you was fucking anything. I'm just throwing out there. Y'all. You're just. Pellinated. That's a reality. That's opinionated. I don't just fucking anything.

My dick is like platinum and diamonds. Sheesh. You know what I'm mean? Not a lot of bars get that. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather whack my shit than go and have these foul, odorous smelling joints, be.

These joints, a lot of these joints don't even watch their joint, be. Smell bad, like garbots. I turn like door knobs. Yeah. Facts I mean, soak in the tub These chicks don't even know how to soak in the tub

You got a soap You got a soap You got a soap She's smelled like hot trash Be Relax And in Atlanta It's a lot of hot trash

Man that's a lot of sea food Oh my god I don't mean you like that I mean There's so many of our Good friends That's gay out of Oh my gosh

When a girl actually found a straight guy. Wait, gay dudes? No, but those are my people. That's why I'm not. I respect our gay people. But, you know, that's why I can have 36. They love me. What?

What? Clear what you were saying. Let's big up our gay brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, but I'm saying fucking everything. No, no, no. Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

That's a no. That's a no. Oh, wow. Oh, my. Hold on. I think that's my accent. Let me clarify. Elaborate.

Elaborate. That's what I'm saying. Atlanta is like, LA in a certain sense, but in a different sense, because it's all black. And a lot, there's a lot of gay brothers out here, but I respect them.

I see them in Linux mall. I gave them a head nod. They gave me a head nod. The homo hoods be, they'll thug you out. That's it. It's the one thing I noticed. It's the one thing I noticed.

if a gay guy wants to bother you because he knows something about you, you don't know yet. I'm done. I'm done. You don't know yet. Ain't a gay dude fucking mean. Right. Yeah, gay guys, see, sit with me and they be like,

they look at me like a gangster, and they be like, what up, nigga? I'd be like, what up, nigga? And we're good. And we're good. And we're good. Like, I'll be like, I'm going to keep it on it with you.

Until you catch him on the Pride weekend. I'm going to give you a story. Now we're your story, Stevie J. Now who are your story. Yeah, I got caught out of this fucking Prime weekend with the pictures. That's crazy. And Cheese Burger Baby, right? Cheeseburger Baby.

This is twin his able body. Like twin, he's walking around. Right. So I'm looking at a twin. And we walk in Cheeseburger Baby. But it's nothing but the gay guys, right? Right. Miami.

But they get them. Gotta respect them. You gotta respect them. You gotta respect them. But it's nothing but the gangsta gay guys. It's not the gay guys. You're not the homo-holy. No, no, no.

It's not the gay guys to get along with everybody. No, these niggas, you still got the homohood. They're going to shoot you. They're going to kill you. They're going to pop, you. I'm keeping it honey. It don't matter.

So I walk in and I'm like, damn. They're probably getting thrown them hands too. Now, mind you, they ain't looking at me. So I ain't looking at them. I'm like, sorry. We ain't looking at that niggis new. I'm on the other side. I'm chilling.

I'm chilling. The nigger twin, this is when twin is able body. He's not handicapped. So twin goes, you'll give me a drink. And the dude walks right behind him and says, I got your drink. I'm done.

So I look at twin and I don't want to be like, I don't want to yell. I don't want to be like, you want to keep a cool. Relax. I don't want to say relax. If you do that, then it's all mayhem. Because now I feel like I'm,

I feel like I'm, I'm doing it's a fuck show. But I'm doing every other thing, but yelling. Hand signals. I'm like, I'm like the guy, the airplane. I'm like this. I'm like, relax. Relax. But my niggins don't catch on.

So I'm like, it's too late. They gave him to drink. They gave him a drink. He turns around. Then he looks at me. Like, why you ain't. Tell me. Big.

Relax. Relax. Too late. So. Oh, my God. I don't know why I went there. It's too late now. I'm going to keep on.

Go, go. Finish the story, bro. I'm sorry. I feel so bad. I feel so bad. So now I'm looking dead at this shit. They're looking dead at me. So now the guys realize I'm gnarie.

The whole time, nobody realized the gay guy. And listen. You know, are you in the building? And listen, I don't give a fuck. They realize that, you know, I don't give a fuck. Like, I don't care. But the thing is, they always said they need equal whites. Eagle rights.

Eagle rights. Not whites. That too. But equal rights. That too. They wanted eagle whites, too. But so this is what I did. And these are my niggas.

I respect these guys. But they want ego whites. Equal whites. Yep. So what happened once, when they thug my little man, and they fully thugged him out. They thought my little white.

Yeah, they fully tugged them up. What you mean? What you mean? Like, when they gave him the drink, they got to clear it clever from my mind. It sounds like a classic American. No, no, no, no. Relax.

It sounds like putting a finger pop. You need to clarify The story is gone out The story is gone ahead I don't understand I appreciate this podcast tonight When they actually did everything

Nothing They got away with it Not everything Bro What that's Great podcast tonight guys In my mind They got that way

We're everything Whoa whoa Wait a minute Great podcast tonight guys I appreciate you Let me finish Most No, let him finish his story

because I don't even know where he's going with it. All right, so should I end it right? No, no, but go for it. I've been up since 7 a year. No, clarify. Clarifying. In my mind, they got away with everything. So now I want to leave.

What was it in doing, bro? Relax. No, that's what everybody is wondering. Relax. You relax. And then they came over. With everything. No, they had everything already.

But other people. You were coming with them yet. Some people surrendered, man He's trying to No one I'm just playing I'm out of here bro Just playing

Give me two more minutes No I'm just playing So but this is the thing So when they left The one guy said to me Noori I recognize you now

So he said He said, take a flick with me. And I said, no. And he said, why are you going to take a flick with me? Because I felt like he was about to say, you're going to be on some gay. And I said, you want equal rights. I'm done. And he said, yeah.

And I said, if you was a straight nigga, we would have killed you. Everything you just did, I would have definitely popped you, at least in your foot. But we got, you know what I'm saying? what I feel is... But I respect. Yeah, yeah. I understand what you're saying. I'm in Atlanta.

You know what I'm in Atlanta. I'm not. It's mad. I don't get you. I'm mad. Equal rights. Shiguel. I'm just, I'm telling you about how I feel and it's like,

man, let them rock how they walk. I let them rock. Stay in your lane. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. That night, they were staying in their lane. That night, they, they was in our lane. We're in an Ate.

Like this, too. No, no. This is Miami. me. Let me relax. What I'm saying is they can stand their lane and do what they do with the young droves. But God bless Stevie J. I say, y'all, tune in. Whoa.

Whoa. And he stands up. And he stands up, though. All right. Steve, Jay, let's end it out. Hold on. Hold on. We're going to end it out.

We're going to end it out. Before you leave, you can't just do that. You can end it out. We have to take a picture. Everybody. Let's do a picture. So now. You take a shot.

Sit down. Sit down, please, please sit down. So we're looking at her and we're saying Holy moly guacamole. Is there no more, is this the new Joshel? No, it's not about

a new jocelyn. This is about Danger Zone Management, New Challenge, salsa artist, beautiful person. Sausa. She's taking the acting classes and she's ready to do what she's now. Now it's time for you to talk. You got to say something. I'm a minute. All right. You, the, the...

She's that from the hood in Panama. Yes, I'm from Colong. I'm from Panama. I have an accent. I'm from another country. Of course, I'm going to sound Latino because I am in China. Talk that shit, baby. Anybody.

I'm Eslita Quintero. Talk that shit, baby. Talk that shit, baby. Talk that shit, you got that. He's right. He's right. He's right. So you can give us a little sample with your syssa?

You're talking about salsa-sat-sinceau, y'all? Salsa con fuego? Yes. All-school salsa, to be compared to Frankie Reese. We have a little bit of Celia Cruz in the mix. Hector Lavos. You're going to relax. If you said Edgar Labo, I'm going to have to ask you relax.

That's my hero. No, that's what I'm listening to. That's who our hero is. We're Puerto Ricans. I don't know if you're not. I know I look black as hell when I'm Puerto Rico. is going to drink champs of what you got. And you got some shots.

Let's hear that. Let us get a little one. Let's make Joshlin bad right now. This is Drake Chats, Mommy. Right now. All right. You got to relax. We relax.

Relax. Please give them some. You guys are going to listen to us. We and I are working into things. That's not what we're doing. That's not. We want you to give our listeners. We want you to give our listeners something.

Oh, Stevie J. Stevie J. We want to listen to something. In Spanish, we don't care. Oh, yeah, Stevie J. This is what we're gonna do. Stay tuned to loving hip-hop Atlanta, you know, and you'll see everything we need. But tonight, Stevie, Steve, please.

Can you come back over here, Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve, see. Listen, I'm Latino. This is the only sample you're gonna get tonight. Yeah. But what about the people who listen to the audio? What happens to the music? I bunch you. To the audio.

To the Ateo. Pay attention to loving him. hip hop Atlanta season six and you know you have everything in the name. You're winning that. You can't lose. You can't lose. Even though I feel like

I feel like you should still sing. I feel like you're not just a body. We just introduced you as a body. I feel like you should shake something. Just say two lines. You can't do it? She should not get into it.

Well, why you stand too? That's quit on my garage mixtape out right now. Live mix take spin. We're in the host of our swamping on West Side. Yeah. Day's a zone. Yeah. Dougher.

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