Duck Call Room - How Uncle Si’s Son Finds PTSD Peace & Healing

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Uncle Si relives being detained by the authorities when his travel-sized tea making system gets confused for an illicit substance. John-David ambitiously invites LSU’s new head coach Lane Kiffen to the podcast, and Si’s son Scott and daughter-in-law Marsha share how Scott found healing from PTSD through working with horses. Si beams with pride as Scott explains how equine therapy helps veterans reconnect, calm their minds, and find real hope again. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

But I'll ask you two. You ain't not give me the answers that Martin books. Wait until this starts at least. And please say you wish he was here. Oh, we're ready? Oh, look. I didn't know we were filming. Welcome back to the duck call room.

Martin's not here. So I was like, oh, sweet. We don't need him. I wish Martin was here, though. Why is that? Because he's into football. You two dummies. I don't know if you're into it or not.

Whoa. Hey, I watched all the games on Saturday. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I know more football than Martin. Well, I can say that because he's not here. What about the way Lane Kippman was treated when he said, hey, he made a decision. The way he was treated. Yeah. I don't think it's right. He's the coach. He should have liked to be able to coach the last game. I think he wanted to stay in coach and finish up, but I don't think they would allow him to.

Hey, he's the one that kept him hitting there. victim, I don't think. You know, I have, and when he said that, he out to his credit, he has said, I get paid to coach a football game. Hunter's pointing at stuff. Oh. Move stuff. Hunter, Hunter's by himself today.

We're a skeleton crew. We're messing up. We're making mistakes, but we're going to make this work. No, Lane Kiffin. But the brain power is still the same. It's hard to feel sorry for anybody that is going to make $13 million a year. Sa, because you don't have all the internet instead. If you were probably just watching it all unfold on TV.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know, Marty Smith, the guy that kept reporting from outside of the room that they were having the meeting in, he was on the podcast before. The one waiting the whole time? Yeah. And then they kept putting pictures up of him with like a beard and as an old man still waiting

and I laughed and laughed. He was on our podcast? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. He's friends of Justin Martin. Huh. We really probably do need Martin here. I must have been.

We should get Mark's up a day. No, you're here. We should get Mark Sleighball to come again on a. show. He's a writer for ESPN, and he helped he wrote Cy's book, didn't he?

Or he helped write Cy's book. Yeah, and Phil. I said it, but somebody had to somebody, yeah.

He was the ghost rider. Yeah. Ghost writer. So you, he actually did do a lot of stuff on his own that he put in the book

that was actually good. He was pretty good at it. Oh, by the way. Mark Schlebeck. Because he spent, look, he spent a whole week with me. Oh,

yeah. No, with me and Al. Because Al was my, I guess you could call it a coach. He would say, hey, tell him this one. You forgot one. Like Eagle the Pigeon.

Yeah, like Eagle's Pigeon. No, that's Al's favorite, by the way. Hey, what about when Slaybaw hung out with us for a week? And then we got him go out and eat, and he came and played poker with us. I mean, he was just one of the boys for a week. He shouldn't have played poker with us. Nobody should play.

Y'all were telling poker stories in here. We took him for a rise on that. Lane Kiffin, if you would like to come do your first Louisiana podcast, please. With Uncle Si. You're welcome. Come on in. We'll have you sign the LSU. That's why we'll try to pick your brain where we can figure you out.

I don't think anybody's figuring him out. No, I'm, Sa might be able to get in there. Do you know he does yoga every day? Does he? Yeah. Well, that's what all they are you getting in funky positions and all that? Yeah, but he goes and does it in like a room where it's like a hundred degrees.

Oh, no. Oh, he's in a sauna too. Hot yoga. Would you do hot yoga? No. Why not? No. No.

No. That's like a hot tub. Yeah, no, I've seen a side of the hot tub. Not a pretty sight. You know, and everybody thought I was drunk. Because he got out. Because you're supposed to stay, you're supposed to stay in like 15 minutes. We stayed in like a hour and a half.

Oh, boy. I couldn't even walk. That's true. People were taking pictures of him. Everybody was taking a picture of him. Guess who I see he just bombed out of his mind. Uncle Sa'i. You were just dehydrated.

I couldn't walk because I've just, there's too much heat. That's one of my favorite stories. And also when they got busted for hashish. Is that what they said? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I still have. They had him up against the wall, frisking him down.

That was at New York City airport. They busted you for Hashir? Yeah, hey, look, my wife, okay, we're fixed spending five days in New York City. Okay, so my wife put in a box of tea. with all the stuff that I needed to fix it. Well, guess what? Their airline people throws your baggage around so bad

that it busted all these teased bags in my bag. So the x-ray caught that, and they, you know, I'm going through and the x-ray started peeping. Well, then there was people come out of the walls. Putting handcuffs on me and talking about, hey, you know, so everybody else in the other line was saying, Uncle Stey, what did they get you for? I said, they said something.

about hash east dealer. I said, what is hash east anyway? Is that some kind of meatball and spaghetti deal? Y'all? And they said, no. That's a drug. And I said, they think I'm doing drugs?

What did they get you for, Uncle Sy? Hach east, boys. Then I said, hey, it's evident that y'all don't watch the Show Duck Dynasty. I said, what did you see in my bag? They opened it. I said, what did you see in my bag? They said, well, we see the hash east. We see a little jug.

And they got that little green cup. Yeah, then it had a little green plastic cup. Then beside that, okay, it was a, I can't even remember what else was that. It was something for making tea. Yeah, for making tea. And I said, this is that or y'all don't watch Duck Dynasty. Or make tea. I said, do you know what?

Do any of you know who I am? And they said, yeah, I know. I know about you. A lot of people in New York. And I said, well, hey, I don't know. I don't do drugs. I said, that's a tea bag. that are busted.

Tea bags. Because the airport, people threw my bag around too much. Yeah. Be a little more careful with my baggage. And what did you do with the tea? I threw it away. I've been a new box.

You know, it's weird? Hold on. I'm going to tell you what happened with the tea. When we were in New York, they swept that tea up and threw it away. But when we were in New York, he said, hey, Philip, call down there and get me some tea.

Well, it's not any kind of, like, community or Lipton. No, it's, first of all, I couldn't hardly get anybody that spoke English on the phone. So we're trying to get, we're trying to get some tea up

and sounds like it. Oh, I've had some nightmare stuff at tea because of getting tea. I got a, got him a call down and said, hey, send me a gallon. That's four quarts. If you don't,

yeah, I tell them, I said, that's four quarts if you ain't got a gallon, send me four quarts of tea. So they do. You know what it costs? The people that, I ain't from my room and all that.

It was $50. For a gallon of tea? For a gallon of tea. They didn't get that from Chick-fil-A. You're talking about a rip-off. That's a rip-off. Oh, yeah, it was a rip-off. They must have had to unsweeten it.

Well, no. That doesn't make any sense, by the way, unsweet tea. Yes, it does. No, it doesn't. No, it does. No, that's just tea. No, let me tell you. They didn't undo the sweetness.

No, let me change the story. They didn't take anything out. Oh, it's just tea. Yeah. Unweet. it would be like you had to do something to the sweetness. No. They're just dumping sugar and tea.

They're just dumping, like, four cups of sugar and tea. That's why everybody's teeth are right now. That's why everybody obese. Hold on, hold on. Your teeth aren't doing great. They're all on the sugar, hi. I'm just saying, as a man who doesn't drink sweet tea over there, your teeth weren't doing that great.

Oh, I know that because, hey, I just had them all pulled. And, hey, you won't believe what 70s. seven years to do to your teeth. Oh, I sat next to you for a long time. When are you going to bring the bag out and show everybody the teeth? Have you done that yet? No. No, I ain't done it yet.

He's got them because I'm waiting on. Oh, I looked at them and here's the time. The normal human being has got 32 teeth. That is with your wisdom teeth. And you're not normal. They usually pull the wisdom teeth so you really don't have a 30. I had lost 20. for one reason another

I had lost 20 teeth I only had 12 left in my head and you're taking shots at the people drinking sweet tea and I blame it on sweet tea dab you blame it on sweet tea not sweet tea

sugar not tree tree or tree sweet sweet unsweet tea you drink unsweet tea which should just be called tea yeah I said side you can afford sugar if you want it now it's gotta be dark

see how dark that is I will say one time in college I was in college and I was drinking like So you can't read nothing to do that You read the newspaper to it Do it in trash can't I was drinking a lot of sweet tea Captain D's had the best

Oh yes Bad fight bad fight Correct And I was like I'm gonna try diet Where I just don't drink sweet tea And I go to unsweet tea And now I get the same effect Look I cannot drink sweet tea

If you drink about three cases of Mountain Dew or seven up Oh yeah no Any soda Nope I can't do sweet tea Because of all the sugar Now if you just stay off

a sugar for a while and then you go back and drink a Dr. Pepper or a Coke. It's so sweet. You can't stand it. Oh, no. That's how sweet she used to me. I'm like, he's right. Because you're talking about bad sweet. If you want to sweeten it, just put some lemonade. Oh, that's good.

That's good stuff. That's why, what is you call one of the golfers used to drink it? An Arnold. Arnold Palmer. Lemonade. There's tea with a bunch of lemon. Yeah. That's what I do.

I have a lot of tea. He's given a sample with lemon crystal. I do love the fact for the past four years. You've carried a gallon zip, zip-plot bag of lemon crystal. You can't take a dozen lemons, will you? Because then you've got to have a knife, and then you've got to have a towel to dry every hard thing off from the lemon. They're spraying everywhere. All right, look, springtime is here.

It's warming up. what that means? That means more outside cook. And y'all know, we love to eat beef around here. And that's what, because of our friends over at Triedells beef, makes such a good product, ain't it good? It's so good. Our friend, Sall Robertson would say, buy on the grill! Look, before we got Triedells, getting ready for a cookout, man, somebody had to run the grocery store, do all the things, grab whatever was left in case you were late in the day. And you never really know where that beef comes from. But with Triedale's beef. We skip the grocery store and do it a different way. Triedales comes from a family ranch out in Texas.

They're a fifth generation American ranch, so they've been at it for a while. Now, look, the beef comes straight from their ranch and other ranchers they work with who raise cattle the same way. Their steaks are properly aged and shipped straight from the ranch to your door. We threw a couple of ribbys on the grill. Look, salt, pepper, garlic, hot fire, that's all you need. Look, because I'll tell you what, when the beef comes from people who raise cattle for a living, you can taste the difference. The tenderness and the flavor are fantastic. So if you're stocking the freezer for grilling season,

go check out Triedails beef. I know in size case, Christine loves it, which is just a, she doesn't eat meat. She isn't a big meat easier, folks. Yeah. Just go to tribeef.com slash. That's tribeef.com slash. Duck.

Support ranch families and eat some dang good steak. Hold on. Hold on. Look at Martin. Live in the duck car room, Martin. What? What the? Look out there.

Look out there. Snow! Where you at? Missouri? I am in Missouri. That's what I talk about, baby. Snow. Chobby.

All kinds of snow. What are you being killing? Mallard ducks. Mild ducks. The greenhead ones? Yeah. Oh, you've been shooting them hens, too. No hens.

Uh-oh, no hens. They're only on the drakes, boys. You don't have to here. Hey, you look like a movie star. That trip does you some good. Hey, y'all ain't noticed how good he looked. Martin, do you look better than normal? Yeah.

Yeah, he does. He went and had a makeover, sir. Hey, hey, you got a haircut in a bin trim or what, son? I'm bald, side. Well, what do you do, shave it? And let the shoe shine boy pop it. That's that white. reflection from the snow it's extra right i love that he's looking at the tv to look at me this makes

me if you could see me i've got two microphones one to my computer one turned around we're really high tech here in the duck call room we got it we got it going on you boys i'm serious you must have got some rest or something you ain't never looked that good so i just shot milder ducks at 10 yards with a 20 gauge in the snow. Oh, that's why you look so good? I'm stress-free. We're good. Oh, okay. The happiest Martin's been.

Okay, look, he's done just, hey, he's relieved you all stress. All right, well, I just wanted to call and check in. I ain't doing nothing. Hey, we're just doing like a little havesy episode today, see what happens, going to add it with something else. Ding, ding, ding. While you were gone. Have some fun.

Hey, I am about, you saw the update on our friend Morgan, didn't you? Yeah, they made it. Well, hold on. I was about to tell Saa. Morgan, who's Morgan? Well, I'll tell you, I'm going to give side the whole update here in a minute, but I was going to let you know. But I figured you're going to draw for the winner of our Cups. Oh. Yeah, we got to do that.

We got to do that. Oh, that Morgan. That Morgan. Okay, Lily's Morgan. Well, over and out. Since he was there, I was like, if he doesn't know because he's out hunting, I'm going to let him know. Our friend Morgan brought the daughter Lydia onto the show, told her whole story. If you haven't seen that episode, please go back and watch.

It's unbelievable. long story short, her daughter was diagnosed with a terminal disease but we live in amazing times where that disease might not no longer be terminal but they were facing one challenge

which was a bunch of money. She wasn't looking for somebody to just fix it. She was looking for a bunch of people to give 16 bucks, right? And the 14 families had to raise $3.8 million or something like that. Morgan by herself raised $2 million.

Wow. And it was, that's 1.3 since she was on our show. And the whole, all the families together are at five and a half million. Woo. So they made it. They're going to start the treatment of, it's San Felipe's syndrome. For those of you that. This is like 16 kids, guys.

Yeah. That has this disease. So these 16 kids, they made their goal plus some. So they're going to start it in January. And we're going to keep up with her. I don't know how that girl got after it and raised that much money. That's why like when you fool with a bear and her cubs,

you don't fool with mom. That's what happened with Morgan. Morgan, she's got a little girl, beautiful little girl, got her tongue with her disease. Yo, mom got pissed. I went on a rampage and I don't blame her. And you're right. Mom got pissed and she went to work.

And we've kind of become friends. I've been watching her on Facebook, and she's been doing something every day. She was at a lemonade stand one. Like it was scratching, claw, and doing everything she could. That's what I tell you. Don't mess with mom. But they have made it.

They got more to go in the spring. So if you want to give more, please keep going. They still got more to do. But go check out that episode too. It's unbelievable. But it's great. And we got to give away that cup. We'll wait until Martin gets back because I'm not going to give the number.

We wanted to just give her a voice and play a small part. And I texted her and just said, hey, glad we could help out a little. I said a little. She said, a little. She said, you all, like the duck call room fans, not us, we didn't do anything, showed up, showed out. Like, it was unbelievable what you guys that listened did. So just a really cool story heading into the holiday season right after Thanksgiving and all that. Here's the thing, guys.

Nobody else needs to know what the Almighty does. And you will be blessed because of it. Amen to that. Hey, I guarantee you that. Amen to that. I watched that thing like I was looking at football scores every night. Like it was part of, I was like checking it out. I was like, this girl, it's going to make it.

And that's, I mean, if you told me, hey, go get that much money in a month to, I wouldn't even know where to start. Here's the thing. She was literally at lemonade stands. Here's the thing that's so wonderful about it. Okay. People always said, hey, y'all can one person make a difference? you bet you're a bippy one person

to get back in different. What are we betting? You're bippy. You're bippy. Bet that bippy. No. Unbelievable. I was excited to tell you that.

Because I was like, sign on Facebook. No, I get fired up. He don't know. He is, but he ain't. He made it.

And today, the day we're recording this was the day they had to have it by. And like, last night I was like, I hope it happened. But I knew they were close. I was like,

ain't no way they're not somebody. It's going to work. Here's a deal. Don't ever. give up. No, that's right. All the years that we've been traveling and we've gone to so many places. And Said just picks and chooses his own events and what he does want to do.

If it doesn't have to do it with helping children or helping something, then he don't want to do it. And so over the years, we've helped a lot of people. And, Cy, you've helped a lot of children and families. And one person makes a difference, and you've made a big difference. I've been, I'm a big kid. You are? A big kid. I am.

I refuse to grow up. the size sitter. Adults are boring. Kids got it going on. That is. Well, Johnny, dude, that's amazing. Definitely true. Great news.

That kids got it going on for sure. I do. Although, I do remember that on this very podcast, that one was one of our more serious of all time. And it started with Godwin in a Speedo. So, you know, we are definitely the children. But for some reason, listen so hey that that one that one worked out great i'm still wondering why godwin has a red speedo

i can't pronounce what john was in can't pronounce speedo pito hey i tell you i didn't know how to oh pito oh speedo spito well hunter do you want me to end this one with the bible verse is this going to be the end of one we're kind of look thank y'all for hanging out with us through the holidays i know y'all probably traveling so hopefully we've been able to able to give you a laugh or something like that. And some of these episodes have been a little piece together. We appreciate you just tuning in. And we have had a lot of really cool guest on.

So thanks for tuning in. But here's your Bible verse, and it's one I always remember. Malachi 310, they're talking about tithing in the Old Testament. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty, which is kind of scary. of God's saying like, hey, try me. And see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

And I think that's kind of what you were getting at with Cy. He's done all this for kids. And now, Sy's living a life that we decide. Did you see this coming? What? Did you see this life coming that you got? No. No.

And so I think God knew that you had a spot in your, your heart for kids and doing stuff like that. And here we are today. And I think God's blessing you pretty good and me. I'll give you a song that will go with this. Chris Christopherson wrote it. The title of it is, Why me, Lord.

What have I ever done to deserve even one blessing you've gave me? Yeah. Well, the blessings he's given you, you have stewarded well, my friend. Hold on. Hey, the blessing that God has poured out in the Robertson family are beyond measure and beyond imagine what all he can do. And don't forget, guys, you can make a difference. No matter where you are, no matter what you're doing, you can make a difference in somebody's life.

One person can make a difference. And if you're a pissed off, mom, just go on a ramp. Go on a ramp. Like Morgan did. Rally the troops. Rally them. We're transitioning over. some special people in your life

I'm in the dog call room. Young Scott Robertson your son. Yeah, y'all need to stay tuned for this because hey, look, I asked you a question. Okay, tell the folks what you did before you got with me and said, hey, I can have you spend all that money you got. Okay.

I can't wait to listen. Look, hey, look, it was a great. I can't wait either. It's going to be great. Oh, that's awesome. Stay tuned. We're out. Hey, we was talking about my date.

years. And they was telling me, oh, we're going to have to edit a lot of this out. And I said, wait a minute, that was the best time

in my life. What do you mean edited out? No, we can't talk about that. I haven't talked about it because it brings up troop morale,

but we'll cut it out. I'll be like, you cut it out. You have no idea. You have no, you have no, there's a problem. You have no idea

how much we have to edit you. Well, I know, I know that. But I'm like, see, I'm like, Enter needs a raise.

No, I make them earn them. I make them earn their money. But I've always told you your memorial service is going to be lit, man. Because we're going to play all the editing. Oh, I think so, hey, y'all have a party. You know what we're going to do? We're going to have all the edited. It's going to be subject.

We're going to do a video where he speaks to everybody at his memorial service. He's going to leave the last message. That would be good. You're all here? Yeah. I got the same question I had when I was alive. What are you doing here? Yeah.

I guess you're wondering why I gathered y'all today. Why are you gathered here today? Well, welcome back to the podcast, ladies and gentlemen. We are back in the duck call room with size son and daughter-in-law. So they were such a big hit last time. They came in for the holidays. That's right. So we said, I know y'all here for vacation and visiting, but we're going to put you to work.

So, you know, get up there and let's record a podcast. Here's what we want to know. Uh-oh. And here's what the fans want to know. you know you used to have an ordinary job so to speak so you talked to dad okay and we made an agreement that i would help you out since you're going to end up with my money anyway you and my daughter and the grandkids you know so tell us what your job was before i don't get none of it and then man i've done a lot for you i just come to the realization i didn't even get 20 bucks man

No, you can chime in there, son. No, I'm not going to get ready. But anyway, tell us what you did before. Oh, by the way, he did spend 20 years in the military, and I was against it and told him not to do it. Okay. But he did just what I did. I'd ignore everything everybody told me too.

So you got the floor, sir. So I used to work for Bucknives after I retired. for a while doing that job. I don't remember if it was I had a bad day or something, but Marcia had asked me, you know, what do you, if you could do anything, what would you want to do? And I'm like, work on horses.

Well, we got to back up a little bit. That was a way different answer. I got to give it. Hold on. You got a fact checker too. I got a real, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to back up because it wasn't just having a bad day. He was having panic attacks.

I was doing the ability. Because of it. He was doing the abridged version. Well, because of that. And then... All of his time in the war zones. He worked on big machines or worked with big machines. And what they were standing on was grating.

It wasn't a concrete floor. So there was vibration, which then caused him to have panic attacks. And when we finally figured that out, we were trying to find a different job for him to go to that would pay pretty close to the same. That he would do something that he would enjoy. Right. Now you can finish your story. Which is why when she asked me that, I said, work with horses.

Well, here's the beauty of this. You know, most time people, you want to make long story short, but this is a podcast, so you can leave the long story long. That's fine. I mean, I was trying to shorten it up. But you fast forward a little bit after we had the conversation with dad, and he's like, I'll bankroll it. And I've done two out of the three modules for the school for equine structural

integrationist and massage. And basically what it is is there's the human version as well. It's fascia rebalancing. Right. So what is fascia? When you look at like anybody that's seen a steak with marbling, the marbling is the fascia. It's the gooey stuff that they have to get rid of to get to your muscles and things of that nature. And what we've done is we found out scientifically that it's not useless goop, right? God put it there for a purpose. And it's energy transference. It helps balance your system out structurally.

So where the horses are concerned, if they get like a vertebra out of place, right? And it's not chiropractic. But if they get a vertebra out of place, most of the time it's from, let's say one gets kicked in the ribs by another horse. That muscle, just like ours, is going to tense up to protect it. So we go in there and we actually help loosen that up, the fact. Fasher relaxes and when it tightens up, sometimes it'll pull a rib out of place. Well, if you loosen that fascia back up, that rib just kind of like naturally pops back in unless it's broken. So that's what they trained us to do, which has been really, really interesting because you get feedback from the owners, right?

The horse will give you feedback, but you get feedback from the owners after they ride them and after they see because they're with the horse all the time. and I've had a lot of really good feedback. You can go up to a horse. One of the things that helps me with the PTSD is you've got to kind of calm down. Like, they'll know if you're upset and they're not going to like it. Right. Their heartbeat can sink with yours, which is really cool. That's interesting, yeah.

Like, so I look at them. I call them like emotional barometers. I've never liked horses, so I don't. Well, no, no, because it's the same thing with any animal. That's a big critter, man. Yeah. I was like most people, my mother told me it was when I was a child. You know, if a dog that normally is laying down is somebody comes in the house,

and if he starts that low-thrody growl, my mother told me, do not trust that individual. Don't trust them. You ever been bit? Yeah. Huh? Oh, yeah. Be like, you might not understand why the dog did it, but the dog had a reason to do it.

Oh, no, I know why the dog did it. You got to watch the little. They got little dog syndrome. Oh, no, no, because what it was, okay, that was when I was in the clumsy stage. Okay. You've graduated? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I graduated out of it.

I went through that, too. It's back to those phases we were talking about. Little dogs don't like clumsy people. You do realize you fell out of a boat last year, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, it wasn't my fault.

Somebody in the back moved, and the boat was on the ground, and when I stepped out, it had gone back too full. and the ground wasn't there and it was, oh. I hate it. And I hit on my auction machine and it liked to broke my ribs. Yeah. I was just trying to figure out what you qualified as the clumsy stage. I didn't know. So that move.

No, no, that was my own stupidity. Okay. I was trying to step off the boat instead of waiting for one of you young men to say, hey, get out and help me out. Yeah. So it was your fault. Oh, well, no. I said my own stupidity, done it.

Okay. I got in a hurry. And in my age, don't get in a hurry. You're not like you used to be. You can't do that. Yeah. Slow is smooth, smooth as fast.

Yeah. Oh, no. There you go. You'll put this thing in Grandma. No. Okay. You know, like rabbit, that I kept,

what I call my horse when I'm filming, I got a little scooter all right around on. It's got a slow turtle. Then you move to fast. rabbit. Well, I keep it in fast rabbit. So I'm always chasing people, but people jumping our way. I like to run over him one day.

Yeah. Well, the problem. Oh, man. The problem wasn't the gas on me. It was the brakes. You locked them up too quick, and they had us running. Yeah, we went through a swinging door. Yeah.

And as soon as I got through him, I stopped. Well, he was still running. Yeah, they had me looking over my shoulder running. Next thing, I know there's a roadblock. Man. Golly. I almost ended up in his lap. I went over.

Phimms is dangerous. Yeah. It's a hard, yeah. Well, back to the animals, though. Yeah, no. Animals have, I call it six cents. That's why I won that stallion when I climbed on the fence, me and him had bonded.

Okay, and like you said, our heartbeats were probably, you know, because we're both just sitting there enjoying each other. Yep And like you said Like if you're Real Real afraid of something You got a real

Thobia of something Animals will pick up on that And it's gonna make it's gonna make them uncomfortable They'll jitters Yep You know they get They get real nervous Because you're

You're putting out bad vibes Yep The Bible is very clear About being still It mentions be still a lot. And there's a reason because if you don't pay attention

to your surroundings and you don't stop, especially where God is concerned, we miss so much of what he's trying to tell us when we're constantly trying to move, work, talk over something, overthink, you have to be still.

And that's one of the key things with working with the horses is if you're still, if you stop and you just pay attention to their body language, their movement, the way their ears move, you're going to be able to tell a lot. I put this in perspective, hunting, I'll use deer. I'm in the deer stand.

Two or three doves come out. Anytime they look up and look around, there's a reason. That's the part about, well, be still and, you know, know, know what's going to be. on around you. But my question is, has full little horses helped you? Oh, definitely. With your problem?

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Okay. He is a completely different person when he is around the horses. And a lot of people, you use different words, right? But it's, like, people talk about, well, you need to be grounded.

I had one day where I went out there, and it was not a good day for me. Right? And the horses are like, they're not used to that. from me. So they're like, whoa, whoa. Yeah, what's on? What's going on with you? Yeah, what's your problem? It wasn't working. And I'm like, okay, I need to take a moment. And I walked out the barn and Marshall's like, what's going on? You all right? Yeah, I just need to re-center

myself because it's not working and they're getting jittery. So I'm going to go calm down and come back. And I calmed down and I came back and I was still a little eh, but not enough for the horse to look at me and go, no, bro, not today. You know, they're like, okay, we can work with this because it the thing that gets me about like relationships in general right it's supposed to be a partnership it's supposed to be a collaboration right whether it's man to animal you know man to woman adult to child it's supposed to be a collaboration not you're a tool and i'm just going to do that with a tool and not care for you and there are a lot of people that don't understand that and i think that messes up where they want to go with the equine, with the horse.

It's pretty a while when you think about it. Well, and we haven't even talked to you about our plans. Yeah. I can't wait until we have the infrastructure where I can actually pull from BLM because they won't give you, they won't give you Mustangs until you have a certain infrastructure set up. They won't let you do it. That's the big plan is to do equine trauma with like,

veterans, autistic, and traumatic injuries. Children who've had trauma. Okay. People who have had trauma. So we have learned and are learning how to work with the horses. Eventual program will be groundwork. So that is more like where Scott is concerned with dealing with PTSD. That gets him out of his head and he has to focus on.

the horse and moving the horse, which in turn, the horse then learns that you are a safe person and they can trust you. So if you can move the horse, what is it? You control the horse's brain? You control the movement. The brain before the feet, the mind before the feet. So if you can get into the horse's head and you can move the horse, and we move the horse, you saw videos that mom showed you, right? Oh. They're not on lead. You're in a round pen,

and you learn to move them around, and they learn to trust you. Yeah. So it's body mechanics and intent. Well, no, no, because I always wanted to watch the Western movies and stuff when they was, it was about horse training. You know, they always lead them around.

Mm-hmm. Some of them had a whip in their hands. some of them didn't. No, it's really interesting. So they have that they, and I forget, it's like Big Eagle Ranch, I think. I was looking and they don't have any horse programs up where we're at. They're all down south toward Boise. We have a lot of veterans in our area. And there's not programs to help. Yeah. You look at it like going back to my statement, they're emotional barometers, right? So you don't put anybody on the horse. We eventually want to be able to do that. but that would be a separate, separate thing.

So say you have a trainer come in and you show this group of people with trauma that the horse can be moved. You do it, and then you have them try to do it. And if you don't have that connection of the person's vibe, like you'd ask them, are you good? You're good, you're okay? You're right?

Most veterans are going to be like, no, yeah, I'm fine. They're not fine. Well, they're not at all. Yeah. But they're going to fake it, right? You can't fake it with a horse. Can't. It's going to pick up on it,

and then you're not going to be able to get the horse to do what the person just did. So this is supposed to bring the person to a state where they're like, okay, hold on a second. That looks pretty simple. Why can't I do it? Well, let's have a conversation about that. Are you good? Because I can tell you right now, I watch you work with a horse.

You can lie to me all day long. You're not lying to the animal. The animal knows you're not good, which is why it's like, bro, I'm not working with you. you have to get yourself straight to be able to collaborate with that animal. Well, you're going back now to the relationship. Yeah. But if you're not...

Because if I don't trust you, I'm not going to open up to you. No. I'm thinking about the point now that a lot of people look, and here comes a person with a dog, and the dog looks like the owner, and also has got a lot of mannerisms of the owner. Because that's that bond that we're talking about. That's why you were saying if a veteran is round a horse and someone asks, hey, are you okay?

And he lies and says, yeah, I'm fine. Well, the horse is saying, no, you're a bald-faced liar. Well, it's just like... You're not fine. You got some problems and you're not addressing them. Oh, my God, I can't remember what it's called now. It was dogs, ducks, and what? dogs, ducks, and discipleship, right?

When we went up to Canada. To the Baden. To the Baden, Kahnine. So it's kind of the same thing. Oh, no. Kind of the same thing. Just on a different level. No, no, because when I was with them guys up there,

this is Navy Seals, Black Ops, special forces of all types, okay? And they treated me, okay, the ordinary soldier, okay, like I was one of them. and I told them to their face. Now, I appreciate what you're doing, but dude, I know me and I know what you do. I'm not in your class, you know. And I understood that, okay,

but they still treated me as an equal because I wore the uniform. Okay, which is a good thing, okay, but, you know, yeah. And see, that's the same. thing about if you get people together, I love this for one reason. And I don't know if y'all are talking about you're actually going to go once you get trained properly, may be going into the medical field with the horses for other people.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a good thing. Okay, because they are bonding with an animal, okay, is a big thing. That's a big deal. Because if maybe you can't bond with a fellow human being, maybe you don't even bond with your wife, so to speak.

You're missing a lot. Well, and you're talking about, sorry. No, no, you're fine. You're talking about the special forces treating you like you're one of them, right? Yeah. You have to remember they're good at reading people. They have to be good at reading people. Oh, that's true.

And so they know when someone's good. And they know when someone has ill intent, which in turn, them doing what they call the work with the dogs, which would also be kind of the same thing as us working with the horses. They have to learn to take that intent or that how they read someone and read the horse or read the dog. The diagnosis is key. It's them getting out of their head, right? and being able to focus on something else that helps them stay out of that, what would you call it? Just that mentality.

Non-protectivity? Yeah. Productivity. Yeah. Well, to stay out of like the dark place that they can end up going to. I went to an outing with an organization called Wild Ops. And one of the guys there, Drew, had a saying. isolation leads to desolation, right?

And it really is you have to have a network, right, of people that care. And I think that's one of the reasons why veterans kind of grouped together, right? Well, they got, they, well, you have people that understand you. They don't have many people that they have a, have common ground on. Yeah. Okay. That's why we come to each other. Well, that's the whole reason we're tribal to begin with, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Is everybody gets into their own little cliques. Right. But I think we forget a lot that when a military member leaves the military, that group of people has become their family, right? And you get separated from that family. Well, then you're an orphan. A lot of people no longer have contact with those people or...

You unfortunately lose people and they pass away. And so a lot of times they will isolate themselves because those are the people that they trust and those are their family. And they don't reach out to people around them because they don't know if they can trust them. And I know, and this is not me saying that therapy is not good, but I know a lot of people that, they don't want to go sit with a therapist because the therapist hasn't gone through what they've gone through. And they can't understand it. Not just that, though. The medical system is the medical system.

It is what it is. And the problem is, like, horror stories of people that have gone through the VA, right? And the VA does what it does. And I'm sure there are lots of people in there that love their job and want to help the soldiers. But the system has veterans bouncing between this counselor and then this counselor. and then this counselor, then this counselor, and then this counselor. It's a new face all the time. It's a new face every time that you have to open up to.

Yep. And that's hard to do. And share your soul. Yeah, that's just hard to do. That's when it's a tribal. That don't, the tribal don't, don't actually say it. And I'll go back to what we was talking about with the horses and animals. The bonding.

That's the relationship. You know, most of the people that have been in combat and have written about it, there's a bond there. and a connection there that no one else will have. It will be between them individuals that have been tested by baptism of gunfire, okay, losing their brothers. Yep. Okay, because hey, trust me when I tell you, veterans are closer than blood, okay,

because they've went through thick and thin, and when I say thick and thin, that means dying and getting watching guys that they loved, okay, leave this earth. Yeah. So it's a thing about, that's why the bonding is so important. Yeah. If you ask one person, okay, what's the most important thing on this earth happening with human beings? It's one thing. Relationship.

relationship with either a woman, relationship with a man, and when I say relationship with man, that's the bonding. Okay. But it's, I don't even have the word to describe how deep that goes between the guys that have served in the military and all of the military. Copped that same way, first responders the same way. And we have to remember to you. Okay. When you face death every day, that's what you deal with.

Okay. You know, that, you know, you'll never, you'll never have anything that will top that as far as connection or bonding. We have to remember, too, their families, their spouses and their children. A lot of times there's not a group for us to go. for us to go to, which is important for us, too, because I don't understand what he went through. I don't know, but I can speak with another spouse who understands what I'm going through, and I can possibly understand what she's going through, and then the kids, they move around all the time, so they don't have this home base where they have friends that they've known since they were itty-bitty,

or their friends now don't understand what it's like to move around from place to place to place or to have a dad or a mom that deals with PTSD. It's like going back to the horses. It's like every time you bring in a new horse. Yep. You've got to start the process all over again. Yep. But back to the veterans, watching the black ops, the elite, I call them, they are elite warriors.

when they meet each other, their eyes, when their eyes meet, you can tell. There's a connection there, and it actually, I envy it, okay, that they've got a bond that's that strong, okay, because, hey, you could call that man at any time of the night or day. Yep. And trust me, when I tell you that, he's going to get on a plane and come.

Yep. Okay, because, hey, these are, brothers, comrades, okay, it's might to bring me your tears, because we've, you know, we've lost so many. If you're going through that, there's help, there's always help, and it's... Yeah, if you get nothing else from this podcast, if you're hurting, okay, please get help. It's taking...

Okay, it's there for you, okay, and I know on some of the things you've done, it would be hard to open up to a total stranger that cannot comprehend what you've went through. Well, and the cool thing about 2025, there's a bunch of different avenues for help now, right? Like y'all are talking about horses. There's, you know. There's dogs. There's hunting. There's fishing.

There's crocheting. I mean, you know, I mean, you can name it and there's a group for it now. So, you know, we do a lot of work with that, taking folks hunting. And, you know, just, and whatever, if you have a heart, maybe you didn't serve, but you have a heart to give back to serve, whatever you're passionate about, you can start there by bringing those people in and teaching them about whatever it is, you know, for markets horses, for Scott, he's learning about horses, right? And then hopefully to use it.

But, I mean, the world is your oyster. Maybe a paragon falcon eventually. Hey, hey, no, I could go. I'm telling you, falconry. I think that's really cool. Yeah. I got a dog. I got a horse.

It's way cheaper. It's way cheaper than shells. He's just saying that because I told him no. Oh. She keeps telling me not. That is actually what you're into. To me is not only are you learning, okay, and bonding with something. Okay.

But it's like you said, all that stuff is so cool to be part of. That's why he said. I mean, it goes back. It goes back to what he told me when I was younger, right? He said, if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life. Right. And look at this guy. That and God's hand got me through the military.

Oh, man. And there's one other thing I want to lead the folks with, okay, if you don't have a relationship with a creator. Amen. And that would be the father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. What is wrong with you? Amen. Get you one and start it today with them.

And I think we're going to thank y'all so much for coming in Scott and Marsha. We're going to close it out. And I think the overall theme of the day, you know, is the be still. And there's, I don't know how many iterations for Be Still in there. But one of my favorites is Psalms 377 where, you know, it's one of the Psalms of David. And he just says, be still before the Lord and wait patiently for. him do not fret when people succeed in their ways when they carry out their wicked schemes. So, you know, there's a lot like we look at people and in the human nature is to get jealous

or get angry, you know, because people, they're doing it wrong or they're doing this. And look at how well off they are. Yeah. They got everything. But they really don't have. They got nothing. They really don't. When you get right down to it, if you start dissecting them.

Yeah. And you get to know them, they're envious of you if you've got a relationship with a creator. Amen. Money and things can't buy you salvation. Oh, I've known millionaires in the military and in my short life that I've had on on here. And I know for a fact, money can't make you happy. Because I knew a guy that was filthy rich. He would never run out of money.

And that was the most miserable human being. I ever was around. I actually hated to be around him. Everybody trying to fill that hole, did Jesus fill it? That's it. And only Jesus can fill it. Amen. All right.

Well, thank you all so much. Thank you for having us. This was a good one, guys. We're out. Duck call room out.