Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - 2024 All-Dude Team: Defense

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Today we finish selecting the inaugural All-Dude Team! This week, it's all about the defense. From the green dot guys to teamers, we'll break down each dude's season and come to a consensus on what makes them All-Dude worthy. We wrap up with The Chillest Dude of the Week presented by Coors Light. Support the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. They do. I didn't know that. Wow. I should have you. You're right. You need to go in and announce the 69th pick for the Patriots. That's a good idea.

I might have to do it now, Jules. I might have to do it. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Julian Edelman. And I'm Rob Grankowski. And this is the show where your favorite dudes talk about their favorite dudes. And Jules, what are we talking about today? Today we are going to do the all-dud defense.

and we've got plenty of free agency talk. And then we wrap up the show by talking about the chillish dude of the week presented by Cores Light. You got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Let's do it, Jules. This is a big one. All defense. Dudes on Dudes is a production of I Heart Radio.

All defense. The guys we used to face, the guys we used to take down, the guys that were all pros and made them average Joe's. because that's what we used to do out there on the field to the all pro defensive team guys that whenever we face them out there out on that football field. But today, we're not playing no more. So we're going to name the all dudes, all defense team. Let's get it going, Jules.

But lately, what have you been up to out there out in L.A.? My family's been in town. I hosted my sister, her husband, my parents, And then I had my little girl and then my boy dro's in town. So we've had a full house here in L.A. Doing a lot of chores, a lot of chores with my dad's in town. We're just fucking doing chores. You know, we got to get paint done on the house.

We're making little things on the side yard. So many little projects. My dad hit Home Depot. I kid you not, maybe 17 times in the last six days. He just loves going to Home Depot. I mean, oh, I got to fix this little cabinet. Oh, this lights off. Oh, we got to get the paint matched.

Oh, we got to get a freaking side shuffle thing. I mean, this guy goes to Home Depot as much as I put socks on. It's crazy. So I was hosting my family, watch some of the basketball. Basketball's been kind of cool. I must say, these new trades, Luke on the Lakers, freaking Jimmy Butler

Traded from the Miami Heat Yeah like I think basketball Is it's I don't know It's just because maybe football is over And and I'm more Watching the basketball

And hockey landscape But I feel like those two sports They're flying right now And it's been fun to watch basketball The hockey after the hockey The nations Four nations International Series.

I was sad. I was sad. Football ended, but I'm starting to get a little my sport fix off of basketball because of those trades and then the Four Nations hockey

and, and I mean, I'm a little sad right now. Brad Mershawin got traded to the Panthers. Yeah, I saw that man. Brad Mershaw did so much for the city of Boston too. He brought a championship there

and just a great dude overall. I met him just a few times throughout my, you know, time when I was on the New England Patriots just being up there up in the city what a great dude, such a hockey dude man and it's so wild seeing those guys

because like you meet him and you're like man how is this guy a professional athlete like what is he like five eight jewels five he's a smaller guy his skill set is just so phenomenal like how quick he is

he is a fighter he'll go out he doesn't fight but like he's just like a fucking he was like a hard nose well, didn't they call him a nose face killer? He was just a hard nose, like crazy, tough little dude on that ice, man. Mm-hmm. Do you think that Sean Thornton had anything to do with Brad Mishon going down to the, you know, Florida Panthers?

Because Sean Thornton was a big part of the Boston Bruins back in the day and being teammates with, you know, with Brad Moshan. Do you think he's the one who brought him down to Florida? 1,000 percent. 1,000 percent authority was over there. Isn't he what he? He's like the, uh, he's like he's heavily he's a GM

he's a GM of the Panthers now yeah authority I mean I knew he had an office job but I didn't know he was the actual general manager man good for him that's that's dope didn't we hang out with we've hung out with Thornton a few times in Boston I got to see the cup with him he had like a little party thing were you there I wasn't there for it I met him just a few times as well

and that's one dude I would not want to scrap with you know on the streets those hockey guys those fighters like rob ray tie domi shan thorin you throw them you know they're just a handful of those type of guys and those are the dudes you don't want to mess with you know whenever you're out and about you know at a restaurant or on the streets or at any time because they can they can you know throw some fists that's for sure jules definitely they can they're fucking tough dudes and and they're doing it on ice which makes it 10 times harder. Like, yeah, that's crazy. It's a different skill set that you got to have on the skates.

It's a whole nother, you know, type of balance and, you know, balance and stability that you got to have, you know, when you're out on the ice hockey skates. You can be the best fighter in the world on land. But the second you hit those skates, it's a whole different muscle system that you're hitting. I played hockey my whole life jewels. I loved hockey so much, you know, I follow the NHL, especially when it comes down to playoffs. It's kind of like the NBA and NHL. I don't really watch much right

now. So much. It's too many games. Too many games. I agree. Way too many games. It is hard to follow it. But when it comes down to NHL playoffs, you know, NBA playoffs, man, I'm full speed into it. I'm watching every single game, especially NHL playoffs. The Four Nations

series reminded me of the NHL playoffs. It was all out, fights every second. Every player playing harder as they possibly could. That was fun to see. I'm Unfortunately, I didn't get to, you know, watch the games because I was in Australia, but I saw the highlights and I read about it. And that's the type of hockey that I love. That's the type of hockey I played when I was growing up as a kid, you know.

So props, you and kudos, you know, to what they do when they're going full speed, especially in the playoffs. And Sean Thornton is the chief revenue officer. We would be fucking really bad to not know what he does there. We love you, Sean. shout out to Brad. He had an unbelievable Merchon having an unbelievable career in Boston. We all spent a lot of time in that awesome city together

and created a lot of cool memories. May not have been with each other, but cross-secting memories. We went to a lot of those Stanley Cup games. They came a lot to our Patriot games. And you throw a Celtics game in. You see everyone. And like, it's just, you know, that was an unbelievable career.

Rob, what have you been doing on the East Coast? Well, all right, Jules. Well, just want to talk about Brad Marshion real quick once again. I mean, just thank you for everything that you did for the city of Boston. And the first time I met him actually was courtside at a Boston Celtics basketball game with, guess who? The one and only John Dooley, John Dooley had a couple. He's getting married. Dooley's getting married.

Yeah. Congratulations, Dooley. Yes, that's baby. Dooley's just a Boston legend up there in the Boston. Austin area. If you guys don't know who he is. Echo store. Echo store. Eco store. Hey, storage. Who knows? He's just around. He's wicked smart. And we're wicked wrong with how we pronounce the name of his company. But he had a couple front row seats. I met Dooley front row. And then there was Brad Marchand front row with us as well with Dooley. So that was really cool to meet him my first time

there. And he was kind of like the first NHL player that I truly met as well. So I thought it was a really cool moment to meet him there. But I am on the East Coast now coming back to that, Jules. Love the East Coast. I'm an East Coast guy. I grew up in Buffalo. I went to Pittsburgh, my senior year in high school, but I went all the way out to Arizona. I'm a West Coast guy every once in a while. I appreciate the West Coast. But I'm truly an East Coast guy, Jules. And that's why I live out here. I live all across the East Coast. I got places all over the place because I'm fortunate enough. You're the Grong, dude. Because I am the Gronk has a couple spots because he loves the East Coast.

He needs a spot in every state that's you know, that's bordered to the ocean. But, you know, I've been actually finally. You've been placing Delaware? Yeah, no. I'm bordered the ocean. But I got all my LLCs in Delaware. So Delaware is coming through. Oh,

Robbie G. Yeah, LLC saving my ass when I get in trouble. You can't sue me. And if the tax people are listening to this, sue my LLC, which has no money in it. Probably don't want to give off our business advice to the public, but. Why not? that's what we're here for, Jules.

We're transparent. We're transparent. You want to know what's something I've been finally able to get back into because during the season, you're flying all over to play Super Bowl. After the Super Bowl, I went to Australia. I was jet lagged for like a week. But I'm finally just getting into a routine again, a workout routine, like to feel strong, to feel confident.

And dude, Jules, it's amazing, man. I miss that. And that's what I truly miss about the game of football. being around, you know, all your teammates is that routine, you know? And when you're down that day and you're in the weight room, you're going to get picked up no matter what because you have a group of guys around you. So it feels good. I just started back up on Friday. I did a full leg workout. I really couldn't move after that. But then that Saturday, I ran my first 5K in five years as well. It was my first time running over a mile over, you know, in the last four

years. I think I ran a mile last year. I usually just do long-distance sprints, like 100 to 100. 50 yards. I think to me that's long distance sprinting. But, uh, dude, let me tell you that 5K hurt more than anything, man. It was one of, you know, probably one of the worst half hours I've had, you know, in my life. The first 10 minutes were cool, but from 10 minutes to 40 minutes to finish that 5K, man, I wanted to cry, bro. Like, I really did want to cry. Like it hurt that bad. Everything hurt, but what really hurt, like the sprints are cool, burns off all the bad, bad. all the bad calories, all the bad food in your body, all the bad drinks that you've been drinking. But that long distance run, bro, it was cleaning out my organs, man. I never felt my organs work like that. I never really go for 20 minutes straight. We usually want to run a route. Then we have 45 seconds off.

Man, my organs, I felt like my liver started sweating. My small intestine started just like squeezing even more and just bursting out sweat out of my stomach and then my freaking large intention was just squeezing it as well and just detoxing everything out there, man. It hurt, but let me tell you it felt so good, man. It got me back on

track. Yeah, I couldn't move on Sunday, but that's okay. I know you just got to take one of those days and just use it as a rest day as well. So I watched like five movies. I actually watched Den's of Thieves, one and two. Man, Gerard Butler, thank you for producing those movies

and acting in them because on an off day where I was super sore and couldn't move, you had me entertained, man. I appreciate that, brother. We had, uh, we recently had O'Shea Jackson on games with names. Is O'Shea Jackson? Is that Ice Cube, son?

You said that is Ice Cube, correct? So, here we go. I'm watching the movie. And obviously the movie, Compton, right? What's, um, straight out of Compton.

So I love that movie. And watching that movie, I knew that was Ice Cube's son playing Ice Cube in Straight Out Compton. So then I have dens of thieves on. And I'm like, all right, like, that's Ice Cube's Son again. So I go in the whatever where it tells every, all the actors names and all that. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I don't see, I don't see Ice Cube. Like, I don't see the last name of Ice Cube. I'm like,

I guess that's not him, but it looks exactly like him. And then my friend that recommended me the two, the movies to watch Dense if these one and two, he's like, after I finish, I was like, yo, bro, I appreciate that. That was my style, bomb movies. Thank you. He goes, yeah, Ice Cube's son did such a good job. I was like, I knew that was Ice Cube, son.

I knew it. But Ice Cube's real name is an Ice Cube. No, so Shane Jackson, we should just have, so you're saying he should just have Ice Cube Jr. on on there that's what i was looking for your beauty the great movies what's the other two movies uh the other i didn't watch uh those are the two movies

that i watch and then i watched the show uh with um oh man it's it just came out on netflix uh over the last two weeks it's top 10 right now oh man i watch zero zero day how'd you know that zero day because i started it yeah i watched he's he got to man Robert DeNaro. He has something like that. He's got something going on. Is this is this sci-fi? Is this sci-fi or is it I'm still, it takes me, it takes me on a 45-minute episode, it'll take me three nights to watch it. Why is that? Because I fall asleep after 10 minutes and then I got to re-watch and then I'll watch like a, it takes me so much time to focus on those. So like I'm, I'm halfway through the second episode and I'm, I'm still wondering if this is dementia or if this is sci-fi.

I feel like it's, you know, the character that he's playing and that he has possibly the first signs of dementia or or. I don't think Robert De Niro Jr. is doing sci-fi right now. Mm-hmm. Or Robert. No, you're all confused because of Ice Cube Jr. Robert and Ice Cube. It's not Robert De Niro, Jr. It's just Robert DeNaro, all right?

Hey, it's a fresh Monday. My folks just got out of town. I had them in town for eight days. I'm flustered right now, man. I understand. But let's transition into, how about Jimmy Johnson retiring? Jules, I mean, it was a shocker,

but it wasn't, you know, really a shocker because, you know, Jimmy Johnson's, you know, been going forever. You know, he's 81, 82 years old. But it just didn't feel real that he retired because he's been there for so long. And what Jimmy Johnson brought to the table, you know, will never be replaced. There's no doubt about that. And I was just fortunate enough to work with Jimmy Johnson just a few times this year because when he was on, I was off. And when I was on air, he was off that weekend and then we got to work the playoffs together so that's when i really got to know jimmy

johnson because i never truly worked with him on a continuous basis and i finally got to do that so it was an honor to be with him his last four five weeks um of his career at um you know at the NFL pregame kickoff show and what i loved about jimmy johnson is just that you know that mindset that he brought to the table, that smile that he brought every single morning. Yes. Great smile. End of the day, that smile was gone. And he, and he recognized that.

And he told everyone that smile is not going to be there end of the day because he's a morning person. But in the morning, man, he had a smile from here to here. And it just brightened up my day whenever I saw that. But the way that guy can just tell stories is second to none, man. I can sit there all day and listen to him tell stories for six hours. straight, bro. He's just that good at it. He's got a memory that's, you know, goes to the moon and back. Like an al-in. Yes, he can remember every single thing that happened, all details that happened from, you know,

throughout his whole entire career. And the way he just tells those stories, too, it keeps you at the edge of your seat and you're just there to listen to him and just enjoy them. So thank you, Jimmy Johnson, for everything that you have done. And just leaving an impact on my journey. and life forever, even though we didn't get to work together every single weekend. Without a doubt, Jimmy was, Jimmy's like a football god, man. Mm-hmm. If you think about it, he's hit like the big three. He's won a national championship in college, won Super Bowls as a head coach GM,

and then he also had an insane media career. Mm-hmm. And to top it, to top it, he probably has the best hairline in the history of TV. That guy has a, like his gray hairline. I remember we were at Baker or wherever we went to, we had a Bahamas trip. And it was flown. We were doing some freaking survivor team building thing. Remember that?

Mm-hmm. I do. And the Bahamas. He's over there. He was in his. full survivor mode because he's done like three or four seasons of that survivor and almost won it wherever i don't know for fact but he did a bunch of those survivor things and jimmy was leading us he had pregame talks and the wind was blowing he had his shirt off i think he had like a little

you know bandana on and i just saw his hair flowing in the air with the beach at the beach i'm like man that that guy's got great hair he does but who has a better hair line. Jimmy Johnson or Mel Kuiper Jr. I think Terry Bradshaw. No. It was such a pleasure and it was such a treat for us for me to get to watch Jimmy Johnson work. I'd watch games with them every Sunday. You know, I'd watch the first set of games and then they go do the show. And just being a fly on the wall watching, see, look at that hairline. Being a fly in a fly on the wall watching all, you know, Howie, Michael, Terry, Jimmy, Kurt, Jay, watching them all intermingle and, and talk to each other and talk about the show and talk about,

it just felt like a locker room and it was really cool to get to be able to watch that and be a part of that for a couple years. and, you know, this last Super Bowl, I already kind of told the story, but Jimmy threw me a nugget. It was my first time going and watching a practice. I went to the Chief's practice pregame of the Super Bowl, just to kind of talk with people, get stuff insight for the show that we were about to do, the pregame.

And we were in that production meeting, and Jimmy threw out, you know, he goes, hey, Joel, remember, you know, we were sitting next to Veach and he was talking about juju. He gave me this little nugget. He says, you could use that. And like I was like, oh, it was perfect. And then I used it in the show. And, you know, Jimmy was just always a, just, he's a coach.

He coached me right there. And he was a great coach at it. And like you said in the morning, I was an early bird. I get into the, I get into the show early. And we have an earlier production meeting than the big show. And I go up and grab a coffee and Jimmy Johnson at like 5 a.m. just sitting there, like you said, ear to ear. ear, smile.

As a coach, I think he knew the weather report. He was talking football. We'd always talk something about, you know, what was going on and, you know, you're going to miss those days. And I do remember Terry Bradshaw and Howie Long telling a story were

when they said Jimmy was retiring. They had a, remember they had a farewell dinner last year? It was about four or five years ago this happened. Yeah, and they found out he was he was coming back so they left the goddamn dinner so those guys it's been an absolute treat we love we love you jimmy and uh we we appreciate all the insight and the knowledge you've

given not just to us but the viewer players coaches he's just given a lot of insight of what he's learned from this game through the years that he's been in it and he's delivered it to everyone else. We love you, Jimmy. Yes, that's for sure. Jimmy Johnson, we appreciate everything that you have done for the game of football. You will be missed, but you will always be remembered, my man. Thank you.

Appreciate everything you have done. He's led heroes that remember Jimmy, but legends never die. And he's a legend. He never die. He's a legend. Are you taking the big spot now? Are you full time there? You know, Jules, I'm just going to keep.

doing what I've been doing, my man. You know, I have another year left on my deal, and it's the same as that deal that I had last year, being part-time, 13, no, nine appearances during the season, then all four playoffs. And it's a great gig that I have, and I'm just going to sit back. Fox knows what they have with me.

So I'm just going to sit back, relax, and if Fox wants me to go full-time, hey, I'm cool to go full-time. If Fox just wants me to play out the year, I'm cool to play out the year this year, part-time again. man. So whatever it is, it is very content with where I'm at right now with everything. But I'm just going to play it off and how it is right now and just do the best with whatever's going on.

I like that answer. I appreciate that, Jules. I appreciate that, man. I love that answer. It's kind of like, you know, just control what you can control, Jules. That's what I'm going to do. We learn that with Coach Belichick a lot. Just control the, you know, variables that, you know, that can make you better. And that's what I'm doing here as well, you know, on the broadcast team. I like that. I like that. Speaking of Coach Belichick, the offseason. Mm-hmm. Coach is already hitting. It's hitting big time. I mean, this guy has had one of the biggest off-season I've ever seen in my life. He's, he's making a splash every single weekend. I mean, coach always ripped on us. Oh, Ralphie. Even

Ralphie's getting in on this action. He loved what Coach Belich has been doing. He started getting, yeah, he loves it. But just the way that he's presenting himself, I kind of like it a lot, Jules, because he kind of like. I saw him, he switched back, though.

When you, he started spring practice. You see the spring practice at North Carolina LTs there? It's a bunch of hype. And then they were asking him questions. He went right back. He went right back to old Bill. Hey, we're in our, it's good. have a football out here.

You know, we haven't even been able to do that. Look, we're just trying to, trying to learn the game. You know, well, you know, Jules, I think we should, you know, help them out a little bit. You know, we should, we should make a trip down to Chapel Hill. Should we go to Chapel Hill? I mean, of course. I mean, what I've done for you guys, Jules, I gave you a career. career, you know, Grak, I drafted you. I think you guys should come to Chapel Hill and help me out and

show these guys how it's done. He could probably show us a mean, a hell of a frat party, I bet. I bet he's dialed. He's dialed with the frat parties. What do you think a weekend at UNC would look like if we went down there, Jules? I mean, of course, we would hit practice, talk to the guys, all that good stuff. But what, what do you see? How would it look in your eyes. You know, I've heard they have a pretty nice library I'd like to go see. You know, I heard there's a couple historical landmark halls there that would, I heard it's a beautiful campus. You know, especially with right now in the spring, I bet you it's beautifully popping right now with the trees coming back.

Maybe, I would say, water some flowers to keep the campus looking beautiful, plant some trees, jewels. That sounds like a good idea. Yeah. Keep the air fresh. Or do we just hit frat row and just fucking go crazy with kids? Beer pong. That's just called a nice stroll down Franklin Street, Jules. Is that what it is?

Yes, Franklin Street in UNC. I know all the good spots. Look at Rob. That is the fucking street. Chapel Hill Franklin Street. We'll see you soon. Oh, shit. How about D.K.

Go into goddamn Steelers. All right. Jules. Here's my take right now. There has been more action three days prior to free agency than I've ever seen before in my life. Guys are getting contract extensions. Players are getting trading and getting new contracts that are making them a top five paid player at that position. And here's my take on why there's so many transactions right now.

before free agency hits, it's because the free agent market is so mediocre right now. There's no one. Mediocre. Mediocre. Exactly. That's what I was trying to say, Jules,

just like my speaking skills, mediocre, but that's okay. The free agency, there's no player that should be the highest paid player, in my opinion, that's a free agent right now going into free agency. I think there's some good players,

but I don't think there's a player that's going to change. your team, you know, or be or should be the highest paid player at that position. So that's why I feel like there's so much, you know, going on and so many transactions going on right now because of that reason, Jules. What do you think? Oh, man, Chris Godwin got 66,000, 44 guaranteed. Really? That just happened?

Did that just go down right now from who? The Tampa Bay. Right now, but that's a lot. From the Tampa Bay Bucco, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. but Chris Godwin, I would actually say,

he left 20 mil on the table. Really? How do you leave 20 mil on the table? Pat's offered him 20 million more. Oh, geez. But I mean, why would you, why would you, you know, switch up your scenario? I mean, you're with the bucks. You know the offense.

You got Baker Mayfield. Tampa just a great city overall. You got the weather. You've been familiar with it for your whole entire career. Weather is everything and he's getting older, I think. Just when you're that, when you're that old. when you've been in a place for so long, and that money's probably not that much more.

It probably was $20 million on a non-guaranteed. He could have earned more money. I'm sure they got it close to the guarantee. There's no way you want to go learn a new offense, learn a new system, uproot your family. Like, that's a great move for him. Miles, like, with what you were saying, I agree, a lot of these signings are probably of,

a lot of these settings like the Max Crosby, Miles, Garrett, Josh Allen, those are some of the best players. So I bet you those teams did that before free agency because that number is probably going to go even that much higher the longer they wait for those three guys. Max Crosby, Josh Allen, Miles Garrett. Those three guys, like, those teams have to get them done. And I think they're also probably trying to create a little cap space

with the bills extending them because they get to pro rate that, that contract over those next five years as well. So I think he's going to be a less of a hit, even though he's getting a contract extension for these next couple years. Josh Allen. I don't know for a fact, but that's what it kind of looks like.

I don't know. What were you going to say, Rob? I was going to say that's back to my point. You see these teams taking care of the guys that are the best in the league right now instead of waiting for free agency to pick someone up because they're realizing, hey, we already have the best.

player at that position in the league, why are we going to go get free agency and sign a guy when we can sign our guy that should be on this team for good? And that's what the Raiders did with Max Crosby. That's what the Buffalo Bills did with Josh Allen. The Cleveland Browns did that with Miles Garrett, which was a really kind of contradictory situation. How do you say that where contradiction situation, Jules, with that? Because Miles Garrett asked for a trade. to a contender and then he signed the biggest deal in NFL history of a non-QB. I kind of want to hear his explanation with that when he gets asked that, you know, by the media.

Smart. He's going to be asset. Did he just say that to use that as leverage? Maybe. Or did he really want to go to a contender? Because if he wanted to go to a contender, I don't think the Cleveland Browns are in, are in the position to contend for Super Bowl jewels. And then I think, I think that he wanted to get out of there.

And they just said, no, here's 30 million a year. shut up and stay. Now he can just take a five. He can take a, he can take a private jet out of there whenever he wants now, whenever he has a day off. He's so rich.

He can get out of there and it won't even affect his bank account anymore. Those BJs, that's how much money he's making. And then Chris Godwin, I mean, back to my free agency. He was the best wide receiver in the free agency class coming up, but he never even hit free agency to really think about it.

Because that starts Wednesday and the Tampa Bay. Come back on the team. Just signed them already because they were smart. They knew they shouldn't let him go. And you know what makes him so special is that he's so consistent as well. He's such a great teammate, you know, on the field, great teammate off the field. Just a great overall guy. He works hard.

You know, he goes out to practice with a purpose to get better to know what he has to do. He's very, very reliable whenever his number is called. And he knows how to make big plays and big moments as well. It's just very unfortunate. what happened to him last year with that injury, you know, with a couple's, you know,

minute or two left in the game when they're getting blown out. But that's just football. That happens. But it's good to see him back in Tampa. He deserves to retire as a Tampa Bay Buccaneer for everything that he has done for the community here and for the team. And just Chris Godwin, congratulations,

man, on that contract. Shout out to Tampa Bay for taking care of a player that even that he got hurt. Mm-hmm. Well, that's just, I remember a couple times they got hurt. Yeah.

Yeah, that didn't really go your way, Jules. It didn't go. We were back in those, I guess they didn't pay then. How about Tommy getting Gino Smith? I think that kind of makes sense, you know. Bridge quarterback? Yeah, you know. And then also you got Pete Carroll as the head coach there,

and Pete Carroll is the one who brought Gino Smith in and kind of, you know, gave him that second chance and made his second chance a resurrection, you know, on his quarterback career. And now he got traded to the Raiders. So he's teaming back up with Pete Carroll. So I think, you know, it's good situation. Chip Kelly can use them?

Chip Kelly's OC. Chip Kelly. He's the OC. Wow, I didn't know that. So I knew he was at Ohio State won that national championship. And then he was also the head coach at UCLA because I know that because he was in my bowl game, the L.A. bowl and he won it, you know, two years ago.

But Chip Kelly's all over the place. I think Chip Kelly is a guy that has enough experience that knows how to handle you know, any quarterback at any situation. So I think, I mean, this is a good trade. They don't have a fucking quarterback under roster. So, you know, you have third round pick. You know what you're getting with Gino Smith. He'll be a guy that, you know, can get the offense going.

But also, he's not an asshole. It looks like with other quarterback. So if they draft someone or they get a, I mean, he has false. He has fought a player on his team. Remember the Jets? He fought one of the guys. But he grew up a lot after that. He's grown up and he's a completely different player from that.

But he brings at least someone that can run an NFL operation in the, they have no one. They don't have anyone. So, you know, I think that was a great pickup. I'm still interested to see what they do in the draft. Raiders are getting to become excited. I think the Rams getting Devante Adams. That could be sneaky, really good. They struggled in the red area.

He's a really good red area target. Him and Puka are going to be fun. Puka Nakua, he's going to be able to look. I think this is going to make Puka better because you get to learn from, you know, a guy like Devante Adams who, you know, he's a pro. He's been in there for a while. I got to hang out with Puka. at the Pepsi event at the Super Bowl.

And he was such a cool kid. Just like, he's a Vegas, bro, works hard. I think we're ripping a vape together. He's just fun. He was just a fun dude that, like, loves, you could tell he loves to work hard. He's fucking young. He's got a lot of energy.

Bro. My type of guy. And he can hoop. And he's Polly. like he lives right down the street I got to get Pooka to the house I got to get him in the nut house bro bro right before

you just told that story about you meeting him at the Super Bowl I was literally just going to say the same thing that I met Puka Nakua you know at the K. Adams show at the Super Bowl this year and we were in the back room together in the green room and man let me tell you I love that guy Jules

he might be my favorite wide receiver in the NFL now, dude. He was just a dude's dude. And he was just so cool. He was laid back. You know, he was a free spirit. I really wish that he was on the New England Patriots. But he likes to work.

Yeah, he loves to work. You can tell he likes to work. Obviously, you don't become that, you know, that solid on the field without working hard. But also, he loves to have fun too. And he just seems like he's got, you know, the right chip on his shoulder and just his head straight as well. He would have been great. He would have been the best.

Man, I love it. I love me to him. The fook is was a, we called a house in Foxborough. The fuk. We're like, we were all younger players at the time. And we all used to congregate and hang out after fucking like spring meetings. We played cornhole. We'd gamble.

We'd go, you know, do stupid shit. Like the fuk is where it was. that and he is a fucking Fook member for sure. Dane Fletcher, Nico Kudavides, Shane Verrine, Ventron, Gronk, we'd always make fun of Ninkovich. Nico was an outcaster always trying to get in. No, Nikovic would literally, we'd be having like a little shindig at the Fook. And Niko would come with this big ass great day and he'd be walking around it like

like 9.30 at night, he'd be like, hey, guys, Paige, I'm on a walk. Let me, give me a shot. Let me get a shot. Remember he would stack three shots? He's like, all right, Paige is going to kill me. I got to go. He'd go walk home. Two hours later, he'd come back with the dog. He's like, yeah, I'm taking the dog to take a shit right now. Let me tip. He'd rip another shot. Then he'd go back to his house. Like, Niko. Let's go, Niko. What are we doing? It's the same old nico To this day as well But Puka

Puka looks like a guy that would have been in the Fook Yeah He would have been in the Fugg 100% Puka keep it up my man Keep it up Oh Pat's making some moves bro Mm-hmm

Pat's making some moves Spetting some of that Gwap, that Gouda That cheddar All right Jules I got a question real quick though So today's Monday. Free agency technically doesn't start till Wednesday, but is today the day that they can start

talking to the teams? I think it's the tampering period. Yeah, it's where you can talk to the teams and come up with an agreement on a contract, but technically you're not allowed to sign it until Wednesday. Is that how it works officially? I believe so. The legal tampering period is 310 to 312. This is, it's the stupidest rule ever. They basically make the contract two days before free agency. All right. Right. But it is what it is. Pat's are signing guys. Carlton Davis three years, $60 million, $35, 34.5 guaranteed. Played with you in Tampa. Is that a good signing? Yeah, that's a great sign. And Carlton Davis still has some, you know, left in the tank, no doubt about that. And when I got down to Tampa, I didn't know who Carlton Davis was. He was young. You know, he was a young buck, you know, just trying to make a name for himself. And I was literally like, who is this DB that we got on the roster? He's tall. He's a little bit skinny, but like he has that dump to him, you know, he has that strength to him. Not necessarily weight room strength, but he has that football strength.

Leverage. Yeah. Long leverage strength. And those are the hardest DBs, I believe, you know, to get open versus that are taller, skinnier, lengthy, but are quick too. And that's what Carlton Davis brings to the table is those, you know, traits right there. So that's a really good signing by the New England Patriots. And that's going to be a duo right there.

Gonzales and Carlton Davis lined up at the defensive back position for the New England Patriots in the backfield. Let me tell you, they're not going to be a lot of teams throwing on these guys, you know. That's two good corners. And then they also got, you know, Harold Landry, edge rusher. If you get a guy to get a little pressure on that quarterback, that's when the interceptions come flying when you have a good secondary. So, you know, someone, he's a Vrabble guy, played with Vrable in Tennessee.

three years 43.5 million 26 guaranteed and then I think this is a really good signing the Morgan Moses signing

three years 24 million veteran right tackle started 14 games last year with the Jets I expect that they got to get more line anytime you're adding to the line young quarterback

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Last week, that was fun. But now today, it's the all dudes defensive team. It's the dudes that we love this year from each defensive team. position in jewels where are we going to start here where do you want to start i you know just talking about the the trenches let's talk let's talk about the big boys let's get let's go interior line that de-tackle probably if you talk to most football people the de-tackle is probably one of the most important positions in football. If you got a guy that can plug,

because then you allow that guy to take away the run game and then the outside guys can eat. But if you have a guy that could take away the run game and then also put a little pressure on that quarterback in the middle of the pocket, which all quarterbacks hate, that's when you get suicide missions. And when you have a defense to tackle,

like a Vince Wolfork, you know, say that big, that athletic, they instantly take the run game up the middle away. Like you don't even game plan to run the ball up the middle. Like that's just totally taken away. And that's a whole aspect. That's a whole, you know, quarter of a playbook that you have is running the ball up the middle. So that just shows the importance of an all pro, you know,

defensive tackle, what they can do for your team. And all dude, defense of tackle. And on top of it, they want to get to the quarterback. because what defense alignment doesn't want to sack the quarterback. So these guys can get to the quarterback as well because they're so athletic being that size. It's like Vince Wolfwork. I mean, you were never going to run the ball on him going up to A gap or B gap.

And then every once in a while he was just so athletic, he would beat his, you know, offensive alignment there was going versus. And he would sack the quarterback. And the quarterback would be scared shitless because Vince Wolfwork was so big that they didn't want him to land on him. You know, the quarterback didn't want Vince to land on them. So that just shows the importance of these dudes.

So, Jules, who do you got? Let's hear your guys. You know, our nominees, Chris Jones, 37 tackles, near three Pete, could have the greatest season ever. Come a long way from his weener flopping out at the combo. He's come a long way. That video will always be played every year. Always. he's he's a character too i love chris jones he's made big plays he's a nominee jalen carter i mean

anyone with breadman jalen as his i g handle he's an all dude guy 42 tackles total tackles he's just a problem i mean we do pregame shows all all year and we talk about those two a lot dexter lawrence unbelievable football player just been on a shitty team been on a shitty team been on a shitty team and it's tough. He's had nine sacks last year, 44 tackles. And he's got a cool name. Dexter's Laboratory. You guys remember that?

I do. Cartoon Network. I watch that show all the time. Dexter's Laboratory was one of my big hits growing up as a kid. And Dexter Lawrence kind of reminds me of the Dexter's Laboratory. So that's pretty cool, man. That's pretty cool. What kind of dude is Dexter from Dexter's Laboratory, would you say, Joel?

whiz without a doubt you're right you're right you hit it right on that's what I was thinking too another nominee Vita Vaya he doesn't even wear gloves and he's Polynesian he's huge that's why he's my nominee

those Polynesians just have that raw strength as well they just go into the weight room they just chuck up like 415 for 10 on the bench and then they just walk out of the weight room and it's like just jaw dropping like how the heck did he just do that that's like Vita Via I want to sit around

a Gatorade jug filled with Kava and just drink with him I just want to drink Kava with Vita Vaya that's

he's he's automatic I mean he had a really good year seven sacks and he's just a problem he's huge but I just want to have

Kava with them so he's my nominee Quinn and Williams from the Jets he's just he's fucking big, huge. And I just, I love whenever he talks on an interview.

He says fun shit. What about, he's always saying funny shit. What about another Williams? Leonard Williams, you know, from the Seattle Seahawks, who he started his career, I'm pretty sure on the New York Giants and then went to the Jets or did he start his career with the Jets and then went to the Giants? I'm pretty sure he started with the Jets, went to the Giants, and then he went over to Seattle.

And I love the year that Leonard Williams. had, you know, he had 11 sacks. He had that interception that he brought to the house. I think it was about 80 plus yard interception and just to see his athletic ability and the way that he ran. I mean, it was probably the longest he ever ran in his career. But he brought it to the house and it was just so cool for a big man to do that. Everyone went crazy, you know, when he did do that. And on top of, I had to block him before, Julian, and it was one of the most impossible task I ever had to do when he was on the Jets and the Giants when I was on the Patriots.

and I was going versus him. So I just want to give props to Leonard Williams for his year that he had, you know, one of the toughest defenders, you know, I've ever had a block. I was never moving him, but I got in his way, I could say. Well, he's a nominee for all dude then because any guy, Rob Grinkowski can't move is an old dude to me. First team, second team. Who do you got, Rob? Oh, man.

Well, I'm going with Jalen Carter just because he's a. Super Bowl champ and he's got his IG handle, breadman, Jalen, and just the way that he came through, that's what being an all dude is. You come through at the right moments. Julian, you came through in Super Bowls. You came through in the playoffs. I came through, you know, some of the biggest moments in the playoffs,

you know, when my number was called. And Jalen Carter, he came through for the Philadelphia Eagles when it was most needed. He sacked Matthew Stafford or put pressure on him. So he had to throw the ball. ball away on that last play to send was it to send the Philadelphia Eagles to a Super Bowl or was it to send him to no yeah it was to send to Philadelphia Eagles to Super Bowl because of Jalen Carter coming through on the last play of the game so that's a dude's dude and he's just so big beastly fast strong I just got to give him props and he seems like a dude that you want to party with too Jules definitely I agree first team Jalen Carter second team Vita Vaya just because he's

and I want to drink Kava with him. Just never slap his ass, Julian. One time, you know, one of those moods where you're just going around and slapping everyone's ass and practice, I slapped Vita Vezas. I was like, let's go. Let's have a day. And he looked at me and like, like he was about to kill me, bro. And he was like, never slapped my ass again.

And I was like, no problem, Vito, whatever you say I'll do. And to this day, I never slapped his ass again, Jules. No taken. We'll not slap his ass, but we'll love to have some kava with them. Let's go on to our next position. Let's get to the edge. First team, the guy that gets all the attention on defense. These guys get a lot of attention.

They get a lot of money. Who are our nominees, Rob? All right. We got Miles Garrett. He's the obvious nominee here. He just signed one of the biggest deals in history. History. Oh, actually, it was the biggest deal.

history for a non-quarterback. He's just a game record. 14 sacks. It was his, his worst sack year, I think was his rookie year when he only had seven, but he only played in 11 games that year. Miles Garrett, one of the most consistent, you know, edge rushers in the game of football ever in history. Too bad he's been playing for the Cleveland Browns forever or else he would even be more well-known if he was on a popular team that's been winning. But Miles Garrett first nominee. He's going to be either one or two as well. Jules.

We also got Trey Hendrickson. This guy was the sack leader. He was the bright spot on the struggling Cincinnati's defense this year. He wants out. He wants out, but he might get paid. He might be, well, you know, pulling the Miles Garrett effect where he says he wants out. And then he might just get one of the biggest deals in history as well. Where do you think he would go, though, Jules, if they actually do trade him?

And what's cool about Trey Hendrickson, I face him a couple of times, strong guy, built strong, can't really move him, you know, high motor, hard worker. But he was cool enough. He wanted the jersey swap with me, Jewel. So he actually sent me one of his Cincinnati Bengals jerseys. Check it out, man. Yeah. What does he say? It's one of the coolest jerseys I actually ever put my hands on it.

I'm telling you, the material feels good. It looks good. Trey Hedrickson, thank you, man. Rob. How many jersey swaps do you got? Not a lot, man. Just a few. I have a few, too.

I got a couple of Kent guys. I got to go look. But Trey Hendrickson nominee. I'd be, I'd be weird not to say that. Miles Garrett's also nominated because he has awesome Halloween costumes. And I've become a Halloween person

ever since my daughter. I really never liked Halloween, but she loves Halloween. And she's already talking about costumes. So Miles Garrett's in that. J. Watt, he is a nominee. 11.5 sacks got hurt again. Mm-hmm.

But he's about to get paid a lot. We also got Nick Bosa, 9 sacks. He was PFS, 35th best player of the year. I mean, I would say 9 sacks is kind of a down year, though, for Nick Bosa. You know, he was one of the highest paid at the time. I think he broke the record for being the highest paid non-quarterback at one point, two years ago. but now Miles Garrett absolutely blew that away.

Max Crosby absolutely blew that away as well. And then- Bosa. Yeah, love him. He's crazy. I saw him at, uh, we hung out at UFC in Miami last year or something. And I was, I just, I couldn't stop looking at his thighs. Mm-hmm.

In those jeans. I was like, man, this dude's so fucking big. Massive. He looks like a cave man. He's so large. and his waist isn't even that big it was weird Michael Parsons he's also a nominee

saw him at Super Bowl in an Uber crossing the street said he would pod swap with me I said I would love to he's fucking awesome what do you think the convos between him and Jerry Jones are like

I mean it's a Jerry you just see what Miles Garrett got paid I mean you might as well just give me that same contract before you owe me $5 million more if you let me hit free agency next year. That's what I would say if I was Michael Parsons. Would you really?

Yeah, I really would. When you were Michael Parsons age or your age now? Michael Parsons age. Actually, with the experience and knowledge and not being so fearful, I would have to be my age of being able to go up to someone, of that type of that type of status in Jerry Jones but at 24

25 years old I would have let my I would have let my agent do that one I put my agent up to it yeah well well chop Robinson there we go Joel I was going with chop Robinson too why because he has a cool name he had a solid rookie year he had six sacks

I don't think he's going to be one or two on the all dues team but he's definitely just needed to be mentioned because of the year that he had and he's going to be a future star at the edge position. That's a great edge rushing name. Chop Robinson. Chop Robinson's coming to get you.

The only way to take down Mr. Robinson is to chop them. So get your ass low, boys. Get your ass low. Just like Kyle Van Oi did all year at 33 years old with 12 and a half sacks, all pro. Joker. Freaking Kyle Van Nuoy is still doing it. Love that guy.

I love Kyle. I loved him. I played with him in New England. And one time he gave me the electric chair. He was guarding me one-on-one outside. And boom, he jammed me. And like, it stunned me off the line. And then ever since that day, he still brings it up to me.

He asked me how that electric chair is doing because he electrocuted me right off the line. I couldn't get off the line of scrimmage. So props to Kyle Van Nuoy, man. That's what I knew. he was a dog when he did that to me. I was like, dang. And then he's still going. He's still going.

You remember the first day he came to New England after we traded for him in like the middle of the season? I got kicked out of practice. I don't really remember this, Jules. I don't think I got kicked out of practice, but Bill got really mad at me. Mm-hmm. I don't know. What happened?

I blocked him. I lit him up his first like, it was his first day there and I lit his ass up. I forgot what, but I hit him really hard and coach got mad at me. I said, what? This is fucking welcome to the, welcome to the team, bro. We practice hard here, dog. This ain't Detroit.

Welcome, welcome. Don't be walking. Don't be walking around this land thinking you could just fucking tiddly wink. Mm-hmm. You can't tiddly wink around here. That's one thing you did love to do when a new player came to the team, Jules. You showed them what's up? You show them that we worked hard.

You show them that we practice as hard as we play. It's like you and Stefan Gilmore, you were going at him when he first signed with the Patriots. You did it with Kyle Van Nuoy. You did it with a couple other signings or guys that we traded for. So we appreciate you doing that, man. You know, setting the standard for the new guys, even if they were vets. You know, that's what's up. We needed a hardened old Vanley up.

But fucking he was, he was cool. We ended up growing, having a great relationship after that. he's it's unbelievable to to see that you know he's still balling a 12 and a half sacks a lot of sacks dude 33 years old well who you got on your first team jules come on

let's hear it I'm going I'm going to tell you who's on my first team I'm going with tray Trey Hendrickson I mean he just led the league in sacks he sent me to jersey which I'm going to read to you Rob Hall of Fame career and Hall of Fame character that's right baby I got a Hall of Fame character

I appreciate that thank you for everything God bless. And Trey, I still owe you a Tampa Bay jersey because we went versus each other plenty of times when he was on the Saints and I was on and I was on the buck. So I'll be sending that jersey out when I find it. It's stuffed in my garage right now at the bottom because I'm cleaning out the house. But that jersey will be coming your way once I eventually get it, man. And you're, you're my first team, my first all dudes team of all time. First team, Hendrickson.

Mm-hmm. I mean, he had a heck over here, man. Heck of a year. I'll give you that. Second team for me then, Miles Garrett. That's who I was going with. It's got to be Miles Garrett, man.

He wasn't just... And I trained with Mason Rudolph. Good for, you know, like a few times he threw to me. But anytime a guy takes a goddamn helmet off and tries to beat another man with it, I mean, that's an old dude to me. That's an old dude to me. Let's get on to the next position.

Safety. The nominees, Xavier McCann. of Green Bay 8 interception 60 tackles hasn't posted on IG since August. He's locked in. He's in zero dark 30 mode. It's been August. Like him.

Kyle Hamilton, one of my favorite football players. Solid third year. He's like, he's around doing everything. He's just, I think he's a really good football player. Great tackler. Makes big plays. he covers tight ends too he can cover and he's a big guy as well that those are the hardest guys to get open against are the guys that are quick and then also big and lanky because that's my skill set

that I use my length and my my size to my advantage and then when you got a guy like Kyle Hamilton who's a bigger safety who can stay with you that makes it annoying it makes it's annoying there you go you hit it right on it's annoying it's like he's always there because you're so you used to like, you know, giving a little shove to a little guy and then the ball being there and they can't reach and, you know, deflect the past. Well, Kyle Hamilton has that length that he can reach and deflect the past sense. So it is annoying. It's like that bug, that fly that's always around the house that you can't just swat away. Without a doubt, I agree with a thousand percent.

Kyle Hamilton's that. Brian Branch is a nominee from Detroit. I mean, he's one, he's not only a baller, but he's one of the guy. that stayed healthy on that defense, one of like three. Unlike most of Detroit's defense. Yeah. Yeah. That was unfortunate, though.

I think they would have won the Super Bowl. Yeah, that was unfortunate to see so many injuries. That's why it's hard to win a Super Bowl. That's what people don't realize. Everything's got to go the right way. It really does. Buda Baker of Arizona nominee, sick name, 95 solo tackles.

Reminds me of Bob Sanders back in the day. Remember Bobby Sanders from Indianapolis? I do. He was kind of like he was he was shorter but he was more thick. He was japped. I know, but he just was like a torpedo. Like he would just come down. He didn't care about his body and he would blow himself up. Didn't play many games because he literally blew himself up. But that's how Buda Baker plays to me. He plays like downhill full speed all the time. Kind of like an Earl Thomas back in the day when he was on Seattle. Like Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas. And then read blanket chip. Philadelphia, exciting white, third year, four interceptions.

Mm-hmm. You got to put him on a nominee. And then our alumni nominee, Rodney Harrison. Rodney. The 2003, 2002, the 2004, Rodney Harrison. Just always laying the wood over the middle. How much did Bill talk about Rodney, Jules? I mean, we talk every, any time it was, we were starting pads, practice.

Like, that was like clockwork every fucking, look, you know, this is where it separates people. They're not in underwear. Guys like Rodney Harrison would fucking hit you. Like, you know, we'd always hear Rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison. And then, but Rodney was also around. And I liked Rodney because he would, I remember him talking to some of the younger D.Bs, like putting them in their place, young guys that were young. minded. Yeah, I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. He should definitely be in the Hall of Fame.

He should be. All around, good player. My first team for safety, Kyle Hamilton. I think he's a baller. Third year, he's got to stay healthy, continue to get that defense going. They always find Baltimore always finds a secondary guy and a linebacker. and they got themselves the secondary guy. And the second team, all dudes, safety. I'm pretty sure you're going to agree with me here, Jules. We love his name, love the way that he plays the game as well, just fearless out there, out in the backfield of the defense.

And that's Buda Baker from the Arizona Cardinals, man. I mean, guy, guy is a monster for his size. And he's just all over the place. He's always around that ball. when you're always around that football, good things happen to you. And that's what Buda Baker, you know, brings to the defensive side of the ball. I mean, he did get chased down by D.K. But D.K. is a long man.

D.K. is long. He's got a stride. He's fast. And he just got paid $150 million because D.K. is an absolute freak of nature, Jules. Absolute. Let's go on to our next position. all dudes cornerback our nominees Patrick Sertan the second fourth year in got paid 96 point zero zero million just a lot 96 point you just want to say point M a million dollar extension

no one throws to him there's a reason why Derek single uh Derek Stingley Jr out of Houston. I think he's a baller. Five interceptions. Third year, Patriot Bloodline, grandson of Darrell Stingley. Wide receiver. Mm-hmm. Receiver. Sauce Gardner, a nominee in Buffalo Wild Wings ads. Got a cool name. Already a star. Wish you would, didn't have his strongest year this year, though. He didn't. It wasn't as strong, but a lot of distractions in New York this year, especially on defense. I had like 20 different coaches. Jalen Ramsey got paid three year, $72 million extension,

Byron Murphy out of Minnesota, six interceptions. So let's, what's our, I think our first team corner easy, Patrick's are tan too. Yeah, that's an easy choice. I mean, he's been the heart and soul of the Denver Broncos defense. And they don't even throw his way. Like, I wish they threw his way more. to see, you know, what type of player he is in all situations, but no one will even give him that chance because he's just that locked down.

And when you're that locked down, you're getting paid as the top corner like he just did. And no one's going to throw your way because you're just that good. That's kind of like Revis's island. Like no one would really dare throw to that side of the field because you just know that it's not going to be possible. You're putting them in Revis Island? No, I'm just saying.

It's like Revis Island. Island, man. It's like no one throws his way, like just like Revis Island, how they want to throw his way. And our second team, we're going Stingley, Jr. Just because he got Patriot Bloodline. I think that's cool. Anytime you got bloodline. All right. Corner number two, first team, all dude, nominees, Trent McDuffie. He, I, he was so built. I didn't realize he was so big on the bottom end. I saw him at practice. He had a big bottom end. Like legs, die. he was fucking like he looked like a horse he also had 60 tfls 13 past defends two interceptions made a lot of big plays on third down

christian gonzalez rob yeah he came back from injury this year i mean he had a solid rookie year going on now uh got hurt which was unfortunate but he had a solid solid solid you know sophomore season with new england he's just a stud he wears number zero And you got to give him some love because he's just a quiet whiz. You know, he's a good guy. And when you're a quiet, you know, type of person, you sometimes really don't get that much love, especially when, you know, you're on a team that hasn't won over the last two years.

So Christian Gonzalez, keep doing your thing. The love is going to come. The all pros are going to come. All the pro bowls are going to come eventually. But just keep doing you, ma'am. And he works with mental health. I see him on an ad. All the time.

Mental health ad. We should sign up, Jules. I need it. Cooper de Jeanne is an exciting white at a pick six on his birthday in the Super Bowl. That's pretty fucking cool. But I put him more in the star category. He's a nickel. More of a nickel.

He can't be in, you know, that he's not there yet. Denzel Ward, 42 tackles, two interceptions. seventh year in Cleveland. Lockdown corner. I've always respected his game. And he makes me think of Denzel Washington because of his name. You know, seven years in Cleveland. You got to have some kind of award.

J.C. Horn out of Carolina. He's a baller. 68 tackles, two interceptions, two sacks. Pro Bowler just got paid for her for a buck. $100 million. What about his dad, master of touchdown celebrations, Joe Horn. He had the cell phone celebration, Jules. Remember that back in the day?

Took it out of the field goal post pad. It was pretty funny. Yeah, the field goal post pad. That was pretty funny. That was cool. Baller, man. That's cool. I didn't know that J.C. Horn was the son of Joe Horn.

So that's a learning fact right there, you know. You always learn something new every day, Jules. And that you learn that J.C. Horn is a son of Joe Horn. Jihir Alexander. This guy cracks me up. I think he's a good corner. I think he's a little young. But I just loved the story when he came out to captain against the North Carolina,

when they played Carolina Panthers. And he wasn't even a captain. And the coach asked him, why did you go out? and he goes, coach, I'm from North Carolina. You must have didn't realize. And so he put himself and nominated himself for captain that game. I think he got suspended the next week. But that was a funny thing.

That was funny to me. That's all, that's all dude jokester. That is, man. That's good stuff. First and second team. First team for me, I'm going Trent McDuffie. I think he's a stud. And I,

Mm-hmm. What I love about Trent McDuffie is that he knows how to jam guys off the line. And that's when a lot of routes are, one is right off the line of scrimmage once you get around the guy. But Trent McDuffie is a guy that you can't really, you know, beat him at the very beginning. You got to beat him at top of your route because he can jam you. And that's why I appreciate it about his game when I was watching him over the last few years with Kansas City.

Second team, Rob. I'm going to go with, your guy, Jules, your guy, Jair, Alexander. After that story that you just told, I'm going with Alexander, man. I'm going with him. How about you? What do you think? What do you think with that one?

I was going to go, I thought we were going to go Christian Gonzalez. He was, was he no pro this year? No, he kind of got shafted. Like I said, because he's second team all pro. Oh, really? He got shafted from the Pro Bowl. That's what it was. Yeah.

But second team all pro. All right. I'm going to take that back because I am a big fan of Christian Gonzalez. I think he should be second team for sure. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He shut down. He shut down his defenders.

If you see the stats that those top wide receivers had one going one-on-one with Christian Gonzalez, he would be like, why is Christian Gonzalez not an all pro first team? You know, because he shut them all down. It was something like 20 yards per game. He had a great year. and he's just going to continue to get better. Bill drafted him. Let's move on to linebackers.

All dudes, linebackers. Nominees, Patrick Queen, Pittsburgh, went over from Baltimore, in division, leaves, new team, 65 solo tackles. He's a Stephen Ridley, Randy Moss, level fisherman. check out his IG.

The guy loves fishing. My brother's a big fisherman. I always respect that. Frank Louvo. How do you say it? Louvo. Louvo. My bad, Frankie.

Frankie Louvo, first year in Washington, 54 solo tackles. He's Samoan. And you know that that's, that hurts, that's a special spot in my heart. They hold a special spot.

And his dad played. for the Fiji National Rugby team. What about Frankie Louvo when they were playing the Philadelphia Eagles and they were tush pushing to get into the end zone? He just kept jumping off sides. We met him, remember? Yeah, we did beat him real quick. That was cool.

The night before we got IVs with them before the game. Before the game. He didn't give him any luck. Clearly, he got blown out. But he was a fucking cool dude. I like that. And he's a baller. I love the way that he can get off the line of scrimmage.

He has that first step. And seems like a guy that's hard to move like that. He's got the hit stick when I was watching him in that game. Definitely. Zach Bonn, Swiss Army Knife, Philadelphia Eagles, was a teamer comes over. Is all pro. All pro. Was a special teamer to all pro.

93 solo tackles. Had a really good pick in that in the Super Bowl. He had a pick in a couple. This guy bawled out, man. Howie Roseman just. finding diamonds in the rough. Just signed a three year 51 million. Eagles pay everyone.

Mm-hmm. I don't know how they do it. And then we got to have our alumni, Dante High Tower. I just, he's an all dude because of his calves. Mm-hmm. Biggest calves in the league, Jules. By far. And he gets so mad at me when I call him Dante, but his name was Dante.

And then DeMario Davis from New Orleans. He was a baller this year. 69 solo tackles. He is 36 years old and still getting after it. Shout out. Fun fact. Snapple fact. Steve McNair, Air McNair's cousin.

Crazy story about that McNair. Crazy story. I've watched the mayor. Daniel Davis play, and I know he's a year older than me, and I just watch him playing at that high level still to this day, and it just makes me wonder how he's doing it. I'm like, man, I'm a year younger than him, and I can't picture myself being able to do that anymore, and this guy is just going out there, and he's playing at the highest level possible at the linebacker position, and he's 36 years old.

So shout out to his longevity. I mean, great player when he was on the New York Jets. He's a great player, you know, through his 30s, you know, being on the New Orleans Saints. So whatever you're doing, man, keep it up. You're a straight baller. Keep it up. Baller.

First team linebacker, Zach Bonn, Philadelphia Eagles. Okay. This guy reinvented himself. Had the storybook ending to a year this year. this year. Get signed to Philadelphia. Hasn't played a major role on defense. Goes out, becomes all pro,

wins a Super Bowl, and then gets a big paycheck. He's a first team all dude. Second team all dude for you. Rob? Second team, all dude. I really do like Dante's high towers, calves, but that's the level that we're looking at, you know?

I'm still wondering those calves were even real jewels. Every day I looked at those bad boys. plants were a thing in that earlier in that that time exactly but i'm going to go with uh i'm going to go with uh the mario davis i mean just what he's doing at that position you know just at that age as well he had 69 solo tackles and that's being an all dude this guy knows how to get it done 69 is a great number he could have probably 70 71 tackles this year but he stopped right there and that's why he's an all dude. And he's on the all dude second team defense for linebackers, Jules.

And then honorable mention, Donta High Towers, Cows. On to the next position, the green dot, the linebacker that makes the calls in the middle of the field that has the microphone, quarterback of the defense. Nominees Roquan Smith of Baltimore.

three years all pro three years in a row all pro stud to Mario Davis we even though he's a green dot guy but we gave him on there we're just going to put him on there Bobby Wagner guys 34 years old still flying we played against him in a Super Bowl years ago was he was on that team right

Bobby he was he was young on that team yeah he was absolute stud stud Zaire Franklin 173 total tackles led the league 173 how do you possibly have

1753 tackles he's just that's a tackle every play absolute maniac Fred Warner he's tribal to me he's like I saw him do the LeBron throw up

you know where LeBron throw he was doing that with grass before a joint practice against the Raiders in Vegas. He took grass, he was smelling it and throwing it up. Like, that's an old dude to me. And then Nick Bolton, Kansas City.

I wonder if there's any relation to Michael Bolton. He's the anchor of the Kansas City defense. And he just got paid like you were about to say. Three years, $45 million. And which Michael Bolton are you talking, Jules, the singer or the guy in office space? The singer, of course. Why the singer?

The singer. Because dude's really good with the fucking brass, dog. He's a sax guy, right? Michael Bolton. Right? Sexphone? Right? That sounds like a sax.

You should be. play, bro. You should play. First team all dot. For me. Who is it for you? I got my guy in mind. Who's your first teamer? I'm going Fred Warner. All right. I'm cool with that. I mean, he's the heartbeat of the San Francisco's defense. I mean, he played in 2004 with a broken ankle as well. And he's been featured on our show as well, you know, a couple, couple weeks.

throughout the season. So that was really cool. Who are you thinking, Rob? I was thinking Bobby Wagner. I mean, this guy's a legend right now. I mean, he leads that Washington commander's defense with presence. You know, he commands that defense. He's one of the reasons why they had such a great year this year. We played against him when he was, you know, on the Legion of Boom defense in Seattle and he's just still going. You got to give him credit. Bobby Wagner is my second team. All dot, dude. first team all dot fred warner second team all dot bobby wagner washington commanders roquan smith too man he that was sorry roquan where's that leave us all dudes teamer with the help of matthew slater he's special teams god i i asked him let's

let's see if i can get get you to hear this let's see what the slate analysis of the teamers are Old dudes team, first team, second team old dudes. I mean, you got to put schooler on there. First team, all dude. Dude's a dude, man. What do you want me to tell you? The Joker can flat out play. Size, speed, quickness, hands, want to, toughness.

Could play with us, man. Could have play with us. Then second team all dude is tough because I like Jeremy Reeves in Washington. I like Belor in Washington. But if I got to go second team all dude, I'm going J.T. Gray. Saints. Probably been one of the most underrated players in our league for the last five, six years. Check him out.

led the league and special teams tackles. Not a top-in burner, just great finisher at the ball carrier. Physical in the return game will lay you out and just finds his way of the ball. And this sucker is productive. Productive. I think he's got like 93 special teams tackles since he came in the league. Most in the league during that span. So those would be my two teamers.

school or first team. J.T. Gray. Second team. J.T. Gray. Those are our first and second team. Khalif Raymond out of Detroit. He was pretty good. Led to the league in punt returns this year.

Also, who's our, the Cowboys returner? Turpin should be up there. He's a beast. But we get our consulting for special teams from the special team's god Matthew Slater and he says Brandon Schooler first team J.T. Gray's second team

wait if J.T. Gray has the most tackles since he came in 93 shouldn't he be first team though? Cavante Turpin one of my favorite returners all year long so I think

we go with Slate. What do you think? Oh well Jules I'm going to kind of leave this one up to you because I never really been a special teamer. And the one time I was on special teams, I was on field goal protection and I put my arm out to block. And the Sergio Brown ran into my arm and it snapped my wrist back and it broke my forearm. So I wasn't really that great on special teams, never really played it. The biggest highlight of my career was when on special teams was when I was on kickoff return, my rookie year. Dan Conley, he got the ball because he was in the middle of the Back then, what was it called when you can combine to the way guys?

Yeah, the wedge. He was the middle of the wedge, but they kicked him the ball. He got it as an offensive line. And he ran it about to the four-yard line. But on that play, I pancake the defender right in front of him when he got the ball. So that's my biggest highlight on special teams in my career in the NFL. So I'm going to leave this one up to you, Jules. This was all you.

You were an amazing punt returner. You were a great kick returner. You were an all-around special teams guy. So, Jules, whoever you think you can. got advice from Slater, you got knowledge from him, who was maybe the best special teams player of all times in NFL history. So this one's all on you, Jules. But I do want to bring up the Amandola too, you know, he was a teamer back in the day and 21.3% of his, you know, snaps were special teams as well when he was with New England. He played plenty of times. So just shout out to him

as well, our good old friend, Danny the dancer, Amandola. Danny the dancer Amandola. He was a really good teamer. Great hands. Not as good as you. On the hands team. Sorry, Dola. You were better, Jules.

Danny was very good. Danny was very good. And shout out to Cavante Turpin. He's a monster. He had 904. The Cowboys Returner, right? Yeah. I knew it.

I knew it. Turpin was, I mean, I remember Belichick even saying, like, why the fuck would you kick to this guy? He's good. And he also came. He's an old dude guy because he came to a long way. I think he was in the USFL or something. He was like the MVP of some water down league or whatever.

So first team, Brandon Scholar, Patriot. Second team, J.T. Gray with the helps. of Matthew Slater. Thank you Slater. We appreciate you. You've always been a great teammate and you're still a great teammate Slater. Thank you.

An honorable mention, Cavante Turpin. Mm-hmm. Guy who's electric with the ball's hand. Also, Devin Hester, one of the most electric special teamers of all time. I think it was like 2010 or 11.

I had a punt return average of like, I don't know, 15 point something. And that's like really, that's really high. That's like eight yards higher than what like the average is, league average. And fucking, it was like a record, it was like a crazy great year. And there was one guy that had higher than me. It was fucking Devin Hester and he had like a 17, which was like a record. It was crazy. He had two touchdowns.

He was electric. First team, first ballot Hall of Fame, man. First time as a special teamer, right? Is he first ballot? Or not first ballot? Not first ballot, but he's a special team returner. I think he's a first returner to go in the Hall of Fame. Fucking incredible.

Electric. All right. First team, all dude. Leg. The leg. Chris nominees, Chris Boswell from Pittsburgh. Steelers only offense this year. Brandon Aubrey from Dallas,

multiple 60 plus yarders this year, and he played professional soccer. Chase McLaughin, Tampa Bay, 93.8% of the time. He hits every time. Jack Fox, Detroit punter, which is weird. they punted a lot, but he was a pro bowl punter.

Prime Sebastian Janakowski. I could smell the vodka coming off his breath right now. Dude was an absolute unit and he was the Polish hammer. I remember Scotty O'Brien all day just said, this guy loves vodka. All the coaches love talking about Sebastian Janikowski being an alcoholic. And he would put him right down the goddamn middle every fucking time. for like a long time. Adam Vinatary

got snubbed from the Hall of Fame. He's got to be in the Hall of Fame eventually, but he got snub from being a first-timer Hall of Fame. First ballot. First ballot. Sequan Barkley, even though he doesn't kick, but he has really, he's Seq Quad.

Sick legs. Harris Buckner. I mean, he's a monster. I mean, he's kicked. He was unbelievable. And you, you, you can think about what he does off the field on your own. This is a non-judging podcast podcast. For me, I'm going first team kick leg, first team leg, Aubrey.

Shout out Jerry Jones. Find it. Find another one. Finding someone that can finally score on multiple occasions, especially past 60 plus yards, which is incredible, man. They hit a couple over 60 yards as a kicker. These kickers are just becoming stronger and just, you know, more precise as the years go on. It's funny because kickers, they go on a streak where like weeks one through seven, every kicker hits everything.

And then like week seven through 15, like every team's looking for a new kicker. And then like. The ball hardens up. The colder gets that ball gets a little harder to kick. we got a shout out Steve Gaskowski, man. Oh, I love Steve. Meat. Me.

I love Steve Gostowski. I mean, he came through in the clutch plenty of times for us. You know, and the way of man. Well, people don't realize Steve had like the best kicking percentage until like the last year of his career of all time. Like he was lights out. He fucked up his hip a little.

And when those kickers, they mess up a little something, it fucks him up. And then, you know, that's kind of where it went. but Steve was electric. He made a lot of big kicks for us. Huge.

He sure did. He handled that pressure coming after Venetary as well. And it was like, you know, Venetary was a huge loss, but like it didn't feel like a huge loss, you know, for New England because of Gustavsky. Which that's hard to say.

Because that's how good Adam Venetary was. Second team all leg. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Chris Boswell. I mean, he was consistent for, the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was. It was their only offense, basically, at times.

There was like five games where he had like six. There was like three games, right? I swear he had like six field goals. The Pittsburgh Steelers won a game this year without scoring a touchdown. He kicked all the points for them. I mean, that was like 28 points. Exactly. You deserve to be on the all dudes team for doing that,

scoring all the points in the game and winning. All right. our last all dude defense of guy or person or dude is the security okay nominees to us arm's home security hired in response to league wide break ins twoa hired hired hired hired armed armed security at the house That's an all dude moment. There is. Olivia Ponton. Employee of the month at Joe Burroughs

house. She was there during the break-in. She was there during the break-in. She kept everything safe. Lionel Messi's personal security guard. Have you ever seen this guy on the fucking sideline? I love him. He's always watching like a hawk and he's running up and down.

It's like, it's freaking incredible. Imagine having your own. personal security guy like that at all times. Guys, guys beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. This is what every college football's dream is.

Every college football coaches dream for the, what is it called, the standback guy or the pushback guy. Messies got it all dialed in. He's got a guy that's literally like chasing the ball. And then lastly, big dumb. He's pretty much the goddamn mayor of Philly.

He's got, Unmarked cop cars, escalades, recruited Darius Slay back to Philly and free agency. I mean, there's anything to do with security. I saw it firsthand. Dom is your guy. So first team, all security for me, big Dom is number one. I can't argue with that one, Jules. Number two, I mean.

We got to go with Lionel Messi's personal security guard. the guy is always hustling. Hustle. He's watching 24-7 what's going on. He's basically a security camera at all times from Lionel Messi. So he's by far number two. And then honorable mention Olivia Putton. I mean, you got to keep the enterprise of Joe Burrow.

You got to keep that enterprise going. Mm-hmm. And when those little, those little sneaky thieves tried to rob, Sir Joe Burrough's house because he's dressing like or Burrow-Shallame that's what I'm going to call him because he dresses like Shalame. Joe Burrow-Shallame

when someone is trying to sneak into that house not so fast Olivia Putton's there to stop it all from going down so he can just worry about creating the craziest amount of stats you possibly can for a quarterback So that's the all-dude teams.

Let's let's go over and recap them. Our 2025 first team, All-Dudes, defense, Interior, Jalen Carter, Edge, Trey Hendrickson, linebacker, Zach Bonn, safety, Kyle Hamilton, cornerback one, Patrick Sertan, cornerback two, Trent McDuffie, Teamer, Brandon Schooler,

with consultants from Matthew Slater. Green Dot. Fred Warner. Leg. Brandon Aubrey and security. Big down. And now let's go to our 2025 second team all due defense, Roberto. And our interior defense alignment second team.

All dude is Vida Vaya from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Just a monster. We got edge of miles. Garrett, you can drink Kava all day with Vita Via, going back to him, Jules. And then that linebacker position, we got the Mario Davis, the Mario Davis, that is, an honorable mention, Dante High Towers, Cavs, biggest calves to ever play in the NFL. We're still wondering if they were implanted or not. We will find out one day.

At the safety position, we got Buda Baker. Great name. Great all dude's name. doubt about that. Fucking flies, too. At cornerback one, we got Daryl Stingley. At cornerback two, we got Christian Gonzalez, special teamer, J.T. Gray, with honorable mention, Cavante, Turpin, Bill Belichick loves that guy.

The green dot. I think everyone does. Everyone does. Love his speed. He's a monster. Lethal weapon. At the green dot, we got Bobby Wagner. heart and soul, the Washington commander's defense.

Leg, we have a kicker here and Chris Boswell. Won a game just kicking all field goals for the Pittsburgh Steelers this year. And at the security position, we got Lionel Messi's security guard who just hawks down anyone that is eyeing down Lionel Messi. Don't even fucking look at him wrong. Or his security guy, we don't even know the name of will fucking. come get you. If you look, if you look at him wrong from the nosebleeds, he will fucking find you. Mm-hmm. You got that right. And an honorable mention, Olivia Pontoon, just keeping Joe Burroughs Casa safe. That's, that's a good woman right there. That really is. And that's what we got.

That's our all dudes team. What a team. What do you guys think about the first ever all dudes team? It's a great group of dudes. It's a great group of dudes. I want to hear. I want to hear, too. I want to hear, in the comment section, plenty of dogs, some whizzes. Oh, we got studs.

We definitely got some dudes, dudes, and even some freaks. Still getting open and scoring against this all defense, Rob? Not, not, you know, at the high rate that I typically would, you know, versus any defense, but versus all dudes, you know, defense. my rate of scoring would go down a little bit. I mean, these guys are all dudes.

They'd go down 0.69%. Exactly. There we go, Jules. You got right to it. Thank you. We'll be right back after this quick break. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, Here We Go again. We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask,

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Delicious. Delicious, Jules. My delicious. yes. You guys. Yosue Fiesta. That's the fans. The Chalester of the week this week are the fans that left us questions into YouTube comments, Jules.

Keep them coming. Yes, please. We've pulled some. Let's answer them. Let's answer them. Yeah, here we go, Jules. I'll go with the first one from at Yukon Camino. Grant needs to announce draft pick number 69.

Let's make this happen. Hey, that's why you have draft. Who has draft pick 69? I'm not sure who was draft pick 69 this year, Jules. But this is my, this guy is one of the chillest dudes of the week. Because he's saying it's just silly, silly, silly, chill, do things. Like, I should announce a 69 draft pick. And, Jules, who has it?

You know who has this 69? The Patriots? Yeah. Really? Wow. They do. I didn't know that. Wow.

I should have you. You're right. You need to go in and announce the 69th. pick for the Patriots. That's a good idea. I might have to do it now, Jules. I might have to do it. Wow.

Let's do it. Let's make this happen. We've got to text Stacey James right now. Yes, I'm down. I should do it. That's what, day two of the draft? Where's the draft this year? Green Bay.

Oh, man. That's a tough place to get to. It's a tough place to get to. Yeah, it isn't Green Bay. The draft is in Green Bay? Oh, my God. God, what are we doing? All right.

All right, Jules. This is why I should announce the 69th pick, you know, for the New England Patriots this year. First off, our fans came up with the idea. Our chillest fans of the week came up with this wonderful idea that I should be announcing this pick. So thank you guys for that. And now it, boom, a light bulb went off.

Why I should be announcing the 69th pick? Well, first off, when we're in San Diego, Jules, When Bill made us go out to practice with just t-shirts on and no names and numbers, well, what did I do? I taped the number 69 on the back of my t-shirt because I wanted to be number 69. And Bill made me take that tape off right away or else I couldn't continue to practice. So that was one of my most 69 legendary moments in my career. And on top of it, I scored my 69 touchdown versus the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh

and Mike Reese, ESPN reporter, asked me about it, and it became a big thing right after that game because that was my 69 touchdown in my career. So that was another cool moment that went pretty viral as well when I was on the Patriots. It had to do with 69.

So Patriots, if you guys are smart, Stacey James out there, please let me announce the 69th pick of the draft this year. You guys hold that pick. It would just be legendary, not just for myself, but for all the fans out there.

Thank you. I can see Rable trading the pick. Just so we don't have it anymore? Yeah, just so you don't steal the thunder. Well, you'll steal the thunder at that fucking place. Yeah, Brable wouldn't like that. He's been a grok stealing the thunder once again with the New England Patriots. Well, whatever you do, Patriots.

I'm joking. Whatever you do, don't trade that pick. Don't trade it. Please don't. We need it. Let's jump into our next question from Kevin Emery 1177. Julian, what did Bill Belichick say to you after you won a Super Bowl MVP? And did he treat you any different after?

You said you were a rookie. When you were a rookie, he wanted you to know who important veterans were. And I think you were one of those important vets afterwards. I don't remember Bill ever really say. Actually, I think Bill said something like, it should have been Ryan Allen or something. He said the punter. Thanks, coach.

Love you too. Next question. From Paul Gray 6100. I have no idea how or why I'm watching Edelman at 5 a.m. What are they watching? Yeah, Jules. Names or dudes on dudes. Yeah, or is there something out there that you have out that's on a 5 a.m. show, Jules.

I mean, like, no. What is it? I don't know, maybe he's just surfing. He's just surfing the web. Rob, what do you watch at 5 a.m.? He must have that algorithm where he just watches you so much, Jules, that even at 5 a.m., it just pops up on his phone or on his TV or whatever he's watching on, which is cool. Props to him watching The Squirrel.

at 5 a.m. And what do I watch at 5 a.m? I watch nothing at 5 a.m. I'm actually kind of pissed at myself for even being up. So I'm always trying to go back to sleep. I listen to meditation music actually at that time if I'm trying to, you know, get myself back to sleep. When I was a kid, I used to get up so early on Saturdays to watch the Saturday morning cartoons. And before the Saturday morning cartoons, if you were there like six or five, it was infomercials and so I remember I used to watch the infomercial

for Macintosh they used to they were trying to sell email for the first time ever like people are like wait you could send a letter to someone in seconds in another country right

like what the fuck is this thing and like it was like going through just like the work friendliness of like the Mac the first Mac like oh look if you You double click right here. You can get into your email. I'm like, what the fuck is?

I watched that infomercial, maybe 20 times. It's Mac when I was a kid. So shout out to infomercials. Let's get back to our questions from the fans. Rob, this one's you. I from at Mobin Real Deep. Thanks for the fun shows the past few months, y'all. Hey, at Moulbin, Real Deep.

Thank you for listening. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for being a fan. We do it for you. We do it for all you guys out there that tune in to us. And this sip right here for being one of the chillest dues of the week, this sip is for you. Thank you to our fans, Jules. He's got a couple ideas for us on the other episode for other episodes.

Number one, lady dudes. Serena, Sue Bird, Caitlin Clark, etc. 1,000% need lady dudes because dudes is not just a, not a guy. A dude is everything. And then number two from Mobben Real Deep. Dudes in other sports, Lewis Hamilton, Kobe Tiger, etc. enjoy the break y'all have a good time with the kiddos jules that's mobbing deep sorry jules i wasn't paying

too much attention there because ralphie was yelling at me because he's been quiet for the last two hours letting me podcast with you uh he's been laying there but now it's his time to shine and he's yelling at me so uh i think those are great ideas to have lady dudes and also dudes in other sports uh that'd be really cool because of ralphi dog dudes would be really cool we can turn on the dog channel. Check them out. Check what breed we want to talk about. What our favorite dog is, what our favorite tricks are that these dogs are doing.

So that's a great idea, man. We got to eventually do it. We will get there possibly. But, you know, we'll take a sip to that again, Jules. Cheers. Lady dudes and dudes and other sports right now. Delicious. It is good.

It is good. And that's been the chillest dude of the week. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors like it. Cours delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash dudes celebrate responsibly. And that's been another episode of dudes on dudes. What could we have done better? I was feeling a little sweaty this episode. I'm not really sure why. But after I sit my Corslet and drank a little bit of it and the show, I started feeling better. I started feeling loose. I chilled, chilled out a little bit. So I'm going to start sipping Cores Light, you know, throughout the whole entire show. from here on now and I feel like I could perform better because I'm more relaxed and more chilled.

So that that's that's myself scout right there. You were sweaty? I don't know why. You just get done watching cops. I was sweating a little bit. I got a workout done earlier and I'm kind of like inflamed from it a little bit because like I said, I'm getting back into it, you know, a routine. I was just like hot.

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