Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules - Best Stories about NFL Legends

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

NFL Players and Celebrities share their favorite stories about some of the NFL's most legendary playersSupport the show: https://hoo.be/dudesondudesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:29 drove by Giant Stadium. You saw the lights on him. He was like, oh, fuck, I had a game. Yeah. And showed up in the first quarter. He showed up late. They benched him for a series. And then he went out and I think he had like seven sacks.
Starting point is 00:02:41 All right. I'm going to tell a story. Okay. I don't feel like I'm talking out of school here because this is, this is a funny story. So I'm doing inside the NFL. Phil Sims is on the show. And Lawrence Taylor is coming in. So it's Phil, Chris Collinsworth,
Starting point is 00:02:58 Lawrence Taylor and me, right? I mean, one of those classic, like, what in the hell am I doing here, right? So Lawrence hasn't showed up yet. So Phil tells me a story. I can't believe Lawrence Taylor's going to be here. I mean, that guy was, he's just, like, he literally changed the game,
Starting point is 00:03:14 and I was just going on and on about him. He goes, you know what's funny about that guy? He goes, he didn't even know the names of the teams in the leagues. I go, get the fuck out of you. He goes, yeah, he goes, one time he goes, we were, we won some game. They were on the road. and they're on the team playing, they're all hyped.
Starting point is 00:03:30 And Lawrence is psyched. And Phil goes, yeah, hey man, you know, if the Redskins lose, then we're going to be in first place in our division. And Lawrence goes, oh, yeah, he goes, he goes, who's in our division? And Phil goes, you don't know who's in our division? And he goes, man, I don't give a shit, right? And I'm thinking like, that is the genius of him. Let's say, I don't need extra information in my head.
Starting point is 00:03:51 You have a different uniform than me. I'm going to ruin your day. So I thought it was a hilarious story. But as always, you know, you think maybe. you put a little mustard on it or whatever. Ten minutes later, Lawrence Taylor comes walking in. Him and Phil both just start laughing, which was great. They just saw each other.
Starting point is 00:04:06 They started laughing. They hugged and everything. You just know all this shit that they did back then. Who knows, right? So Lawrence sits down and he starts telling stories, right? They just start telling a thing. And in the middle of one story, he goes, we were down in New Orleans. And we were playing the...
Starting point is 00:04:21 And he goes, Phil, what's the name of that team in New Orleans? And he goes, the Saints. He goes, we play in the Saints. It was unbelievable. And then fat sports writers would say that, you know, they would say that he wasn't smart, he was blah, blah. It's like, that's like some Einstein shit. I'm wearing the same shit every day.
Starting point is 00:04:38 So my brain doesn't, I only need to worry about like, you know, you hear all those stories, how he would sleep through meetings and then get up and diagram the whole play or they would ask him if it was okay. The guy is like a fucking. Savant. Genius. Genius.
Starting point is 00:04:51 But the fact that he didn't even know, like the fact that he's almost like a housewife in the level that he doesn't know the names of the teams. Yet he's the most alpha dominating player that I ever saw. But you know why he seems like he fell out of the sky is because his favorite player was Hollywood Henderson. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:11 And he was sort of, he was like, Hollywood Henderson was the gap as far as the linebacking position between like, you know, Dick Butkus in that era and him. He came and it looked like he was an alien. It was because, unfortunately, Hollywood Henderson had like substance abuse problems and it affected his career. But one of the greatest play, another underrated play,
Starting point is 00:05:34 1976, the Steelers are playing the Cowboys. And the Steelers kick off. Guess who receives it? Hollywood Henderson, they had a linebacker receiving their kick in 1976. Like that just didn't happen. And he took it all the way down the field to like their 45 and Roy Jarela, their kicker just sort of dove like that. and his linebacker knee hit his ribs.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Broke him. Yeah, and fucked him up for the game. And it's a really hard game to watch if you're a Cowboys fan because they were running reverses. I think that's what it was. It was a reverse on the kickoff. And they were doing all of this shit. And then they got up and then they just sat on the ball.
Starting point is 00:06:13 And the Steelers kept playing. And then they came back and beat him. Man, how does it feel to be that old to remember a 1976 game that great? I watched it on YouTube. The first one I watched, was 78. What's the first game you remember watching? Do you know?
Starting point is 00:06:30 Some O.J. Simpson was playing in like the early 70s. And my, yeah, my dad's screaming at the TV. Or something on my grandfather going, you know, he's the old days. He's like packing a pipe to smoke it inside. Was he Sherlock Holmes? No, old men smoked pipe. And I got to be honest with you, to this, both my grandfather smoked pipes. and to this day, if I smell pipe smoke,
Starting point is 00:06:55 it puts me in, like, the greatest mood because both my grandfathers with these amazing, like, guys, guys. Yeah, so that was probably the first one. But I've also, like, gone back and, like, I've watched all of this history of the NFL, and I'll tell you, a great guy, and he just passed away, unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:07:17 and the NFL never gave him his due was this guy, Marlon Briscoe. Briscoe. for the Broncos, black quarterback, they drafted him. He was like second or third string or something like that, and both white quarterbacks go down. This is like the late 60s, and he goes in and you immediately see the modern day NFL. It wasn't just standing there throwing like that. He was all over the field. More Randall Cunningham, I would say, than Michael Vick. And he won like six of the last seven games, something crazy. And then, you know, they didn't make the playoffs because they were
Starting point is 00:07:48 having a bad season before he got in there. And then the next season, the team, just drafted another high rank white guy, and they shipped him off to Buffalo and he finished his career as a wide receiver. Wow. Yeah. Sounds like the 60s. Well, this is what, 60s. It sounded like right through the 90s, I feel. Yeah, yeah, I guess. So that's what, like, this is like all of this shit that I can, it was so fucked up is I can remember all of that stuff. And I think because I looked at the football cards and I remember all the names. And then I also went back and I was fascinated like what happened right before I started watching football. And then today's game, like, you know, you age out as a player. I also feel you can age out as a
Starting point is 00:08:36 fan and like how certain teams like they sort of aged out during like free agency because their whole thing was the draft and their scouts, and then when the game became more free agency, they didn't adjust. I would say as a fan, the fan version of that is I didn't get involved in fantasy football. Yeah. So now I don't know the player's name. I don't know what's going on. And then, like, I also feel like they kind of sold their souls, all professional sports
Starting point is 00:09:08 for offense because they had reached maximum density with sports fans and then offense gets the casual fan. So those tickets. Yeah. I think that they are envious of the UFC to see them start so much later than them but then go global. But there's something about soccer, football, whatever,
Starting point is 00:09:29 and fighting, it just transcends all borders and all that, which I find, like, really fascinating. Not fighting. Because fighting, you know, it's like, I remember Joe Rogan telling this story saying, like, you know, if you're driving down the street and there's two people playing, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:48 catch or whatever playing base, you're not going to really watch because, but if you're driving on the street and you see a fight, like you got to watch it. And it was sort of like this really. True. Yeah, easy way of explaining how their thing got as big as it dig. And I don't know what it is about soccer, but everybody seems to enjoy it. Because all you need is a ball, kick it, banana leaves. But you can say that about hoop.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I guess you need a basketball. But basketball is also very global. Yeah, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Your point about, like, how football's kind of changed and evolved and got sold and sold for offense is a conversation we have behind the scenes on this show a lot because we go watch an 85 game. We watch a game from the early 2000s, and the game is so different.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Oh, yeah. You don't even want to hear my conspiracy theory. Like, my conspiracy theory right now is, is the NFL's in a bad place because they only have one great quarterback. As far as, like, there's always been Brady, Brady, Manning. you know, Elway, Marino, Montana. So who's your one great quarterback?
Starting point is 00:10:50 Mahomes. Mahomes is the guy that sells the tickets. I'm not saying there's not like great talent at that position, but nobody has put up sort of like, he doesn't have his,
Starting point is 00:10:59 you know, Hatfield and McCoy guy. No. So it's sort of their own, the only storyline they have right now is Canny 3 Pete. So that's why like the ridiculous, that guy took his helmet off
Starting point is 00:11:10 in the fucking end zone. The ref says put it back on. I mean, it's just like, he's like, you realize this is, Elevised, right? Like, what are we doing here? So, you know. That's a penalty. It's supposed to be a penalty. Take your helmet off. It's 15. Next, Terry Bradshaw relives, one of his craziest fights during practice.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Quiet in practice one day, I threw a pass. And for some reason, he mad at John Cobra or something. He came through and he decked me. Knocked me back over ass kettle helmet flew off. Practice. Practice. And then we practiced in full paths. Yeah. I found the football and I got off. I threw it. I've tried to kill him. Nobody young.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Chuck Null. He said, probably, he didn't mind it, but I have the shit knocked out of me. Boy, I was pissed. He came over and I said, let me tell you something, mad dog. You may lose with me, but you'll never win without me. You got that? And I walked over, I was steaming. I took my helmet off.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Y'all sit on your helmets in practice? Yeah, we did. I sat on my helmet and I'm over there and I'm mad because nobody got in a fight. Nobody fought for me. Maybe that's it. Feeling tired. Maybe he gave me shit. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:25 I'm over by myself and here comes Mad Dog. He comes over and he kind of stuttered. Had that high pitch. Blan, my. What was that guy? Give me that saying. What was that saying? What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:12:38 You know what that saying? You threw the bottle with you said what? What was that you said, huh? And he had his tooth missing. I said, I said, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about you're going to win may he lose I said and I got to thinking what did I say and so he sat down next thing I know it's like hey pull up a chair pull up a helmet so we started going okay you'd knock me down I got pissed I hit you with the
Starting point is 00:13:03 football you came at me I pointed at you and what did I say he says something about you're going to win with me oh no no no no you may lose with me. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, yeah. You're going to lose with me. No, I'm not going to lose with you.
Starting point is 00:13:22 You may lose with me. Then what? And it took us 30 minutes. And we go, but you'll never win with that. That's it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I like that. I like that.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Well, I like it, too. That's an original. Yeah. And to this day, that was always, of course, he passed away. God bless him. Joe Green will say, Bombomber said,
Starting point is 00:13:46 you may lose with me, but you'll never win without me. And it kind of became the theme of their defense. They used to use it all the time. You know what? Is that not football right there? Oh, so good.
Starting point is 00:13:55 You guys get in a fight. Yeah. And then you guys sitting there. Hold it on that. Or no fight. Or you guys, there's something that happens. There's a disagreement.
Starting point is 00:14:03 That same thing happened to me and Gilmore. Remember Stefan Gilmore? We just signed them. We just signed them. And I was pissed. They gave him $14 million. I'm over here. You know, we just won a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:14:17 We're on our second. You know, we got Super Bowls. Like, they paid this guy $14 million. We've been routing him up. Over how many years? It was 14 a year. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:26 When Stefan Gilmore came to the Pats, he was the highest paid corner. Which he's a, he was a fucking stud and made me a lot better. But I was pissed. The first day he came in, he was a Buffalo bill. You know, I wanted to show him, first day of pads. This is how we fucking practice here. He kind of hems me up. up on a flag route.
Starting point is 00:14:44 We get into it. I take his helmet off. I start punching him. Belichick goes, you two, get the fuck off the field. Hit the showers. Really?
Starting point is 00:14:55 So we have to, it's first day of pads. You gotta go shower with the guy. So it was the first fucking period. Uncle Terry, it was the first period. I'd have got a water hose outside. But just like you
Starting point is 00:15:10 and your teammate, you guys were we start walking back and we're pissed off at each other and all of a sudden you know we get into the locker room and yeah I'm sorry oh I'm sorry yeah it's one of those things where why didn't you go back out to practice because they told us get out which it was the best if I would have known that I would have done that so many more times get out of practice training camp practice first day of pads get the fucking I started doing that I got smartened up next bill o'brien recounts his infamous sideline argument with Tom Brady you know that was a cool night for my family and to have the opportunity to coach, you know, obviously what we believe
Starting point is 00:15:46 is the greatest quarterback of all time. When he, when he first, he was out on the West Coast and he came back for OTAs that year, 09 the year. Yeah, my ninth year. Yeah. I'll never forget this. He came in my office. He said, look, I want to be coached. He's like, look, I don't waste my time, but I want to be coached. And he was right about that. And I learned a lot about, you know, how he wanted to be coached, what he wanted to know. Like, I can remember one of my first meetings. I was so prepared. I had this, like, book of, like, computer reports. And I gave him this. I'm like, Tom, look at this book. You know, and he's like, what is this? I want one sheet. I want one sheet that tells me, boom, boom, first, second down, third down, boom, fronts, pressures, red area, backed up to, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:33 the whole thing. And I was like, oh, my God. So, but from that point, I did the one sheet, and I used that one sheet to this day for quarterbacks because he wanted to be able to think quickly he didn't want a big computer report he he was a guy that if you showed him that you could work with him like you you could take in his input and and show him that you could work together to formulate a really good offense like then you were going to have a great relationship and I think that's why he and I got along so well because we had our ideas and then he would come in on Tuesdays with his ideas and we would put those ideas and into with ours and and, you know, I would put it all together. And then each night I would have to email it to him.
Starting point is 00:17:15 And so I don't know if Josh, I think Josh probably did the same thing, but like, you know, he went to bed early. So if it was like, you know, Tuesday night for Wednesday morning, here's the game plan by 8 p.m. Here's the game plan for third down by 8 p.m. on Wednesday, you know, red area of 8 p.m. on Thursday. You know what I mean? For the next day. But that forced you to work, get your work done and be prepared. And then he would email back with, hey, I love this play. I love this play.
Starting point is 00:17:40 I don't really like this play. Hey, what do you think about this play? And it was just that type of relationship. You know, and coaching them was, it was awesome. That's really cool to hear, you know, and people don't realize Tom loves being coached. I mean, Bill E.O. was probably so overwhelmed jumping into that thing. Because when I got there, they already had three Super Bowls. They were already the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:18:03 And that was like, and I remember seeing him throw for the first day. And I was like, man, this motherfucker could throw. It's a beautiful sight. You know what I mean? When he was throwing, he threw a two hole shot to Randy or something. And Randy, he late-handed, like, didn't even have his butt and chin-trap buckle. Like, and it just, they look like a, they look like pro A-1. And to hear that he liked to be coached is awesome.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I mean, to the point where you coached where you guys are damn near fish fighting on the sidelines, you know, Billy O. Can we get into that? What happened there? No, hold on now. Fist fight. Tyco on Underwood. You were at practice. You know how practices are.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Once again, going back to, you're really like brothers. Yeah. You really are with your assistant coaches. Sometimes you just want to slap this shit out of your brother. Exactly. So, like, you know, you can remember practices like when Bill would, you know, make us use the headsets or whatever, or we wanted to use the headsets to practice for the game.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And so, you know, I'd be pressing the button and it wouldn't be, like, it would be screwed up. And maybe I'd be yelling at Donnie Brocher. and Tom would be out on the field like, you got to press the button, you're not pressing the button, you're not pressing the button. I took the whole thing and like, remember that day? And threw it at him. I'm like, you've pressed a button.
Starting point is 00:19:15 I'm pressing the button. The thing's broken, you know, so these little fights. Then they went to the inner, remember? Then they went to the Wauki Taki Taki. But, I mean, these little things would come up. And so in that game, we, Dion had gotten hurt and, like, leading up to that game late in the week. And we signed Tyquan Underwood,
Starting point is 00:19:32 who now is like the receiver, or works with the receiver. We signed him late in the week, and we were driving the ball, and somebody else got hurt. So Tyquan had to go in, and we ran Branch. Yeah. And he had the in-cut. He was the X. And he didn't run a great in-cut.
Starting point is 00:19:49 He kind of faded. And Josh, what's his name? The corner for the Redskins undercut it. Tom kind of looped it in there. So we come over to the sideline, and Tom's, you know, ripping Tyquon. Oh, yeah. And I can remember Wes, like, all right, man, like, let's move on. Like, you know, basically like, we all just got to move on.
Starting point is 00:20:09 We were frustrated because we weren't moving the ball while that game. Like, there's a lot of shit that goes happening on the sideline. So then it just became, I don't want to get into all that was said. But like, hey, Tom, like, basically like, you need to shut the F up. We got to move on now because Grossman's driving the ball. We're going to possibly go to overtime. And you remember who intercepted the pass to end the game was Gerard Mayo. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:32 I bumped the guy. I was playing defense a goddamn week. That's right. That's my talk. What was in there? Yeah, my baby. So, but anyway, so he said, you want me to shut? You shut.
Starting point is 00:20:42 And then it was just like two, two 15-year-olders like, just yelling, shut the F up, back and forth to each other. You know what? But I'll tell you right now, that was the brilliance of Billy O because he liked to fire guys up. And we all knew Tom liked to be fired up because we all know Tom plays better pissed off. Yeah. Like, that's the, that's the truth. And, you know, there's a lot of those Jedi mind tricks that. I think that happened over there.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Yeah. To piss him off because he played better pissed off. Yeah. You know, you remember. And the next day, no one's like a two minute thing. It happens. It happens. It happens.
Starting point is 00:21:18 It happens. It happens. It's over. Game day is like a battle day. And I don't like making the comparison to the guys that do it. But, you know, shit happens. Next day you don't, you go, you see him at the coffee line. Oh, how's your, how's your wife?
Starting point is 00:21:29 Yeah. You don't even remember. You don't even remember. Right. Next up, Vernon Davis on what it was like playing with Peyton Man. You play with Peyton. Yeah. How was that?
Starting point is 00:21:38 You won a Super Bowl with them. Payton was awesome. Yeah. What was the biggest difference between Peyton and all the other quarterbacks you played with? The one thing that stood out with Peyton was that when I was sitting in that meeting for the first time and, I mean, he just kind of just took over the room. Normally you have the OC office officer coordinator, you know, install the plays, go over everything. But Peyton was the one who stood up. like a general, that was,
Starting point is 00:22:07 that was pretty phenomenal to me. I've never seen anything like it. And I played with some awesome quarterbacks. But he was just, he was just different, man. He was just different. Was he going over, like, was he giving coaching points of the line?
Starting point is 00:22:22 Like, all right, guys, on this Oki front, we're going to slide you guys this way. Hey, receivers, if these two guys come, you know, I need you to break a hot route. Is he breaking down,
Starting point is 00:22:33 play for playing? He was probably, There was probably a correlation between him and him and Tom. Everything Tom did, you probably see the same thing in Peyton. Yeah. I mean, if you look at their careers and how they, their longevity, everything that they stood for and just their records, everything that they did from all their accolades,
Starting point is 00:22:51 they are identical. They're just pro quarterbacks. It's just different, man. Everybody's different, man. Like we'll never see another Michael Jordan. Yeah. It's going to be years before we see that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:04 You know, it's going to be years before we see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Yeah. They're just, they, that's just who they are. Yeah, the prep and the mentality and the killer instinct. Yeah. The people's skills of leadership. There's a lot that goes into it. These guys are tough, man.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Yeah. People, I think people might, when they look at a team and they look at the game, they might say, oh, oh, okay. I'm going to go to the defense. Maybe, you know, Patrick Willis is the toughest guy on the field. Maybe it's Vaughn Miller. They're going to pick those guys, but they don't know. They're not out there.
Starting point is 00:23:46 They don't see what's going on. But those quarterbacks, guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, those guys, you can talk to them if you want. They're tough. They're just as tough as that guy on defense. Yeah, without a doubt. And it's not just the physical toughness. It's the mental toughness. Mental.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Inside of here. Yeah. They know exactly what they're about to do. before they even walk out on the field. I love that. It's a thing called visualization. And some of the greatest players like yourself, we know exactly what that is.
Starting point is 00:24:12 We see everything that we're doing before it even happens. We manifest that 150 to 170-yard game that we're about to go have. Yeah. Manifest. You know, it's so repetitive, and it goes into the prep process for the football player, at least for me.
Starting point is 00:24:30 You do the drill that translates to the team, the team that translates to this, and you do it so many times and you study it on film by the time you do it in the game is deja vu. Exactly. You've already done it.
Starting point is 00:24:41 See, that's the difference between great, being great and being good. The good players, they don't know how to manifest it. They don't know how to visualize. But the great players, they know the essence of visualization.
Starting point is 00:24:51 That's what they know. They see it before. That's why the game is so slow. Man, you ever had a, there's been game, you can probably attest to this. We've all been the great players. I'm not calling my,
Starting point is 00:25:00 I don't like to talk about myself, but the game is so, slow, it feels like you can run around the whole field and everybody's still standing still. Everything, every catch, every play. I mean, I would have games where I go to the coach, I say, coach, throw me the ball. It cannot stop me. And I really mean it from deep down the side because the game is so slow to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:20 It's like everybody's moving in slow motion. I'm moving so fast. I can catch. I can do the biggest games that I've had, the 180 yards, two touchdowns, you know, two touchdowns. You know, those games are the games that were really slow to me. Yeah. You were in the zone. The zone.
Starting point is 00:25:34 I felt that a few times. I felt periods of it throughout a game. There's only been maybe two games and one was in a Super Bowl against the Rams or I was in the zone where everything you did worked. And you know that the biggest and every time that you didn't feel it, you just didn't, your mind didn't tap into the space to let you know that that's what was going on. It was there. It was there, but just couldn't. It takes a certain moment or a certain time for you to really like, I don't know what it is. Like you said to me, I've only felt.
Starting point is 00:26:03 it three, two to three times in my whole career. But you've been there. For a whole game. You can't get there unless you're in that state. You can't have those type of performances unless you're in that state. Yeah. But it's something that's letting you know, it's opening it up your mind to say, this is what's happening right now.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Yeah. This is what's happening. It's an amazing feeling. It is. It is. It's like that scene in Caddyshack where it's raining the guys played his best game of golf ever. It ain't letting that thing go. there's lightning and he's going to get struck.
Starting point is 00:26:34 It doesn't matter. It's just going right. It's just going right. Now, Howie Long talks about the legendary Al Davis. Bill used to, whenever we play the Raiders, he'd always give like a history lesson on the team and the foundation and how the owner got the team and Al Davis being a coach sued the league.
Starting point is 00:26:55 He would give us a whole presentation on it. He loved Al Davis. And a lot of people, the whole do your job thing Yeah. Was Al Davis that said it to Parcells. Like after something, Parcells was complaining or something about what was going on. And I guess Al Davis just said, just do your job. And that's where.
Starting point is 00:27:17 And he used to say it to, you know, the team. And then Bill took it up. And so the do your job came from Al David. Just win. Just win, baby. Do your job. You can put those on T-shirts, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:28 Just win, baby. Just win, baby. Yeah. He'd say, oh, fuck, Howie. Howard, he called me Howard. Oh, fuck, you think you're tough. I'm like, is this guy thinking he kicked my ass? He was really, I call him Mr. Davis.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I mean, part of it's my upbringing, you know, I mean, I never had that. I only got called up there maybe once or twice. You know, one was a contract, and we did that over the phone, but the other was a fight I got in and it got bad. And, you know, he just told me not to. beating anybody else. Was he always around? Was he in the building every day?
Starting point is 00:28:05 On the field every day. He had a cologne that you could smell him before you could see him. And we were on the far end of the field. And I knew when he was out there because you could... What kind of cologne? It was his own personal cologne. It was the L. Davis Cologne.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I don't know what it was, but I've never smelled it. Yeah, well. Did it smell masculine? He walked out of the building. I mean, it smelled like is Pavlov's dog. I mean, not just. for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved, you know, they knew and they were all puckered up when, you know, Al came up. And he knew football. He was a coach. And he coached the Raiders to the single
Starting point is 00:28:44 greatest turnaround early on in the organization. The organization was formed the same year I was born, 1960. Yeah. And he ended up being the coach early on there and turned the team around and up becoming the owner and, you know, one of the great historic owners of... Without a doubt. Yeah. I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in the sidelines saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball. I don't know about that, but if I came out of the game, I never came out of the game. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:14 We didn't rotate in those days, and I in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play, there was a red phone by the Gatorade thing, and that was Al's phone. That phone ring. What the fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well, we're shooting him up. We needed to play. Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode
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